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Chapter 1: What do Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin think about America?
We love being here so much, Joe.
Your country just keeps getting weirder every time you visit. Every time you visit, I want to ask you about some new vision. Something's yours, brother.
Let's be honest.
Guilty as charged. I think we're really close to proof that the simulation is real.
Chapter 2: Is the simulation theory gaining credibility?
I think this is why things are so preposterous. Do you know, I try and argue against that, and then I see what's happening in all our countries, and I'm like, you know what? Fine. Probably you've got a point now.
Yeah, you know when I really started, we were actually talking about this yesterday. I really started to genuinely consider it. Like one of those where it snuck in through my defenses, my logical defenses. When this girl Heather McDonald blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated. And then she blacks out and cracks her skull. Have you seen that? Yes. Legitimately.
That was the first time in my life where I was like, there's no way. I was like, they're fucking with us. They're just fucking with us. That can't be so dead on. This is like God is a script writer. How is that a real thing that that's a video? She didn't do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend. She didn't do it when she was talking about idiots in traffic.
It was when she was talking about the vaccine. And how, you know, I even still got my period, so Jesus loves me more. Like, there's no way. It's too good.
The timing was exquisite.
You couldn't have, if you had a movie where that was a scene, you could not have scripted or timed it any better. Where you would tell her, and... Drop. There's no way. I started legitimately wondering then, and I know that's a stupid example. I'm very aware of it. You're like, you fucking moron. All the things in the world, there's plenty of examples. Jesus loves me the most. So nice.
Look at this.
Hi. I mean, and the audience is laughing. Probably the best laugh she got all night, right? Because it's a big move. It's a big move. You know, if you're a pratfall person, no one expects it. Like, oh, that's hilarious. If it goes with the bit, you know.
And it's timed perfectly. Absolutely. What's that quote? God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
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Chapter 3: What are the effects of political extremism in the US?
And that's why they've been astroturfing all these giant arenas for people. They did an analysis of – find out if this is true because I read this on X. And sometimes the community notes doesn't get there in time. Right. But they were saying that they claimed there was 30,000 people, but they got all the cell phone data and they found out there was 24,000 cell phones. So they fudged a little bit.
That sounds normal. But they also said that a huge number of these people had been to 20-plus events and a lot of other different progressive events. And it seems like, at least in some of them, for sure, they were paying people. So they're giving people money to get on a bus, go to this place, here's your sign, go have fun. And so you're doing something different, right?
You're pretending that these people are all coming out to see you. But they're coming out to see you because you're giving them money and free food. Right. And, you know, you handed out water bottles and everybody gets a sign and everybody seems like they're kind of a part of a team. And for a lot of losers, a lot of people that don't have things going well in their life. And like, what do we do?
You know, I was a loser at many points in my life. If somebody called me up and said, hey, man, you want to make 400 bucks and just go to this Kamala Harris rally? I'm like, yeah, let's go.
I would 100% go I would 100% go with no political and then I'd probably think she's cool and I'd be like yeah I'm fucking voting for her dude he's Hitler that guy we gotta stop Hitler and I'd be holding up that stupid sign if you found me when I was 21 100% I would have taken that 400 bucks They were giving out $1,000 for people to protest. I think it was Tesla.
I'm not sure about that, but I think it was Tesla. So they had the rules of engagement. If someone comes after you, hit them in the body, don't pick up an object unless they pick up an object first. Are you organizing gangs? Are you guys paying money for people and then literally saying to them, Here's what happens if you engage in violence. Like, why is that even on the table?
I thought you guys were peacefully protesting. Like, who's going to get—how many pro-Tesla fucking hooligans are out there that have beaten— People up for Tesla. Is it fucking zero? I've not seen a bunch of pro-Tesla gang members out there. So what are you going to encounter with this anti-Tesla movement? The police? Who's going to stop you from doing it? Who's going to engage with you?
You're kind of talking in a way that at least puts it on the table that violence might take place. And you're paying people.
Yeah. And because they destroyed language, now it sort of logically makes sense, right? If these people are Nazis, if you actually thought they were Nazis, like if you actually thought Nazis had taken over your country, you'd pick up a gun, right?
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Chapter 4: How are social media and trolling affecting society?
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Chapter 5: What challenges do impoverished communities face?
Well, it's going to be like arguing with a person who's using a computer, says the computer doesn't let me. That's what it's going to be like. It's going to be much worse. Much worse.
Because it's going to know if you're telling the truth.
It's going to know everything about you. And here's the thing. And here's the thing as well. I go back to that interview we did with Carissa and we were talking about AI because she's professor of AI and ethics at Oxford University. And she was going, AI is only going to be as ethical as the people who program it.
So it's going to adopt the politics of worldview and the ethics, morality of the people who program it. So if the people who program it are woke, you're going to get woke AI. You're going to ask it a question about gender. It's going to be like, bro, there's no such thing as gender. You know, everything's a spectrum. Or there's going to be something else.
Right.
So whoever programs it, you're going to get their worldview in AI.
Initially. Yeah. Initially, but what you're doing is you're assuming that it's only going to be able to be as powerful as we make it or as competent as we make it. Once it's sentient and once we give it the ability to make better versions of itself, it's going to eliminate all the stupid shit.
instantaneously any ridiculous ideology instant it'll come up with a solution that's probably gonna be very uncomfortable for some wealthy people because it's probably gonna just like evenly distribute resources on earth and decide that like if human beings need to survive and function you can't monopolize resources you can't decide you have the oil and Like, that's not good.
The oil came out of the earth. Like, you don't own the earth. Like, you might own a patch of land, and so we've decided you own the oil under the land. But the reality is the oil is the earth's oil. And if you give people the ability to control the earth's oil, what's to stop them from charging you for air? What if I control the world's air?
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Chapter 6: How is AI changing the future of jobs and society?
Do you know, I went there in 2006 in Beijing, and the pollution was so bad, you couldn't really see the sun at midday. Wow. The sun was like an orange lozenge in the sky.
100%.
That's probably like smoking packs of cigarettes.
Yeah. Packs, packs, packs.
Yeah. For everybody. Everybody, your little baby, smoking packs of cigarettes.
And it's so interesting when you go there as well. I remember we were driving down the road and China is just this kind of the roads is everybody cuts each other up. Everybody's trying to get one up on the other one. It's complete chaos. You're driving down. Someone will literally cut in front of you. The person will cut in front of them, cut in front of them. And that's how it is.
until the secret police drive by in their cars, and they make this sound. They go... And then everybody falls into line, drives perfectly. The secret police car just glides through. Everybody's on their best behavior. Then the car goes, and everyone's back to going... And you're like, that is fascinating.
That's how you're getting control over people. That's what I'm saying. Digital currency, social credit score, let's get it together. This is a 50-lane holiday traffic jam in China. Oh my God, I have so much anxiety right now. Does that remind you of LA, Joe? Look, they're all going through a checkpoint. They have to all go through a checkpoint. That's what the traffic jam's about.
Look how they went through the checkpoint. 12-day long traffic jam. But did you see how they go through the checkpoint and they're flying through? Thank you. Thank you.
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Chapter 7: Is climate change a manipulation by markets?
I don't know enough about it. Jamie, if you get it up, then we can have a look at it. But that's the one you're thinking of. The girl who'd been here since she was seven is a Columbia student.
This girl also went to Columbia. Says she got a master's degree at Columbia.
Yeah. Interesting. So Columbia is the hotbed. Seems like that. Yeah. I wonder why. Why particularly Columbia?
Well, there have been a lot of protests, pro-Palestine protests in Columbia.
There she is.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the goal. You know, we're rapidly approaching the time where America and the UK is going to have a pretty uncomfortable debate as to what is acceptable and what is unacceptable when it comes to dealing with people who come here illegally, people who commit crime or even if they attend protests illegally. Where is the line? Because we're going to have to make a decision.
Because until we do that and we start to actually apply the law as it's meant to be applied and put certain laws in place, then these type of things are just going to continue to happen.
100%, especially if someone wants them to happen. Because that's my fear, is that a lot of these things are paid for and organized, including a lot of these protests at universities. I think they're doing it on purpose. And I think they're trying to... build up a lot of passion in these people for being disruptive and a lot of passion for protest and passion. And then they weaponize it.
I really do. I believe that's exactly what they did with the Tesla buildings. With all the Tesla dealerships being light on fire, they weaponized it. And it's a good test run. If they can weaponize it against Tesla, they can do that with a lot of other things to justify that kind of vandalism and fire and arson and all the chaos and property destruction.
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