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Chapter 1: What is the Joe Rogan Experience?
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All right, we're rolling. What's cracking?
Oh, man. My back just now.
Fantastic. What is going on with your back? You've had back issues in the past, right? We talked about that the last time you came on.
Well, I was born scoliotic, you know? Yeah. So it's like, I just bought my own pen along so I could click the shit. You remember? Here, take all devices away from me. I can't believe you remember.
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Chapter 2: What are Mel Gibson's health concerns?
You remember clicking on the pen?
That's hilarious. Oh, yeah. I'm a fidget. Let me take everything off. It's not good. Oh, yeah. Born slightly scoliotic. And then, of course, I banged myself up over the years.
Of course. Do they do anything other than surgery for people with scoliosis? They do because I don't want to do surgery.
Once you start opening stuff up and fooling with it, there's no going back.
Especially the back. Yeah. Back's a rough. I've never met anybody that had like fusions or anything where it turned out good. No.
And like Hippocrates, you know, the father of medicine. He said, in any ailment, look first to the spine. And it was like, he's kind of right.
It emanates from the core. Well, if your back is fucked up, everything's fucked up. No matter how strong your arms and legs are, if your back is fucked up, you're in trouble. Yeah, that's true. Your brain, everything.
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Chapter 3: How does Mel Gibson feel about surgery for scoliosis?
Everything goes to hell.
Well, you're in pain all the time. People with back problems, they can't think straight because you're always like, ugh.
There's a gift to not thinking straight.
Tell me. Tell me more. I want to know.
Well, it actually takes you down some pretty weird paths, you know. If you're happy all the time, I don't know. You don't have to strive to find thoughts to make yourself happy.
Right.
So it's like it's a good – It's a good predisposition, I think.
I agree to that. Yeah, I think being happy all the time is kind of an unlikely scenario.
No, nobody is.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the spine in health?
Mm hmm. It really is unbelievable. It doesn't take long.
No.
Yeah. I read a book once by Jared Diamond called Collapse. Have you ever read that book? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy, right? It says all the things you need for a civilization to cave in and collapse. And a lot of the things are present. All those earmarks, the precursors of a collapse, they're present in our time. So it's an interesting observation. Yeah.
And we're no smarter than our grandparents, I don't think.
Well, that brings me to one of my favorite movies of yours is Apocalypto.
Oh, yeah.
You know, when the Mayans were running things, like who could have ever thought when they had such an incredibly sophisticated society, unbelievable construction, like the stuff that they had built that one day you just walk through there and there's nothing. Nothing. Nothing and nobody.
In fact, there's something because it's interesting. Somebody was flying by what they thought was a volcano in the 30s, some buzzboy. And he thought, hey, somebody built that. Wait a minute. There's four by eight foot bricks. That's man-made. And it is literally the biggest pyramid in the world. It's bigger than the ones in Egypt. And it's in Guatemala. Guatemala.
Yeah, we talked about that the other day. It's a recent discovery, right? Well, not that recent. Maybe 20 years ago, I visited. I went down there with the archaeologist, the guy named Richard Hansen, who's from Idaho or someplace. And he's down there with his family. He's been working tirelessly for like 30 years. trying to extract this pre-classic city from the jungle.
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Chapter 5: What are the impacts of societal expectations on happiness?
I got the swine flu. I acted more like a pig. Terrible. Terrible. Wallowing in my own mud. So I like Flight Risk. It's a fun movie. Oh, it's a hoot. I mean, I think the first thing you've got to do with any film, and I think it's incumbent upon all directors, artists, to entertain first. In some fashion. Even if it's a heavy story, you have to find some aspect of it that entertains.
And I think this, for entertainment's sake, is just fun. And it's quick. I'm not subjecting you to four hours of watching autism dry. Right. It's like... You know, it's 85, 90 minutes, and you're out. Yeah, it's a good time. Yeah, and Mark is insane. Yeah, he's great in it. He plays a good psycho. Oh, he's a psychopath. Mark's got a good dark side.
There's some dark stuff there that he was able to draw from. And every now and then he'd let it out. I can't even repeat some of the stuff he'd say. In fact, we had to cut most of it out. It was, like, really sick. But we hint at it.
Anyway. When you make a movie now, I mean, you've had such a career. When you make a movie now, what motivates you at this point in your life? How do you decide, let's hit the green light on this one?
Yeah, there are things that speak to me. And they speak for a long time. It's... I remember when I was a kid in high school, I was studying English. And they said, well, where did the English language come from? And they talked about, wow, it came from this old guttural German, old Norse that the Vikings brought across. And I was thinking, well, that's cool, the Vikings, you know.
And then immediately I start thinking, man, somebody should make – I want to make a film about Vikings and they only speak in Old Norse because if they say – if they speak English all of a sudden, you're not buying it. But if they speak in some guttural language, you're sort of scared by them. And it's like that's scary to me. And then I said to myself, I'm 17 years old.
Why am I thinking about making films about Vikings? I don't know anything about making films and not much about Vikings. So why the hell am I even thinking about that? But that was something that was early on was like a drive, I guess, to sort of depict things like that. So I did films in other languages, in Mayan and in Aramaic and in Latin. And there's a power to that.
I noticed when I was young, I used to go and watch a lot of foreign films. And I watched French movies, right? Or German or whatever they were, Spanish. I'd watch them and I'd think, wow, the acting's great in those. And it seemed better because of the subtitles. Right. Yeah, yeah. More believable somehow.
I don't know. Right, because you're not hearing insincerity in their voice because you don't even understand what they're saying. Yeah, you just feel the emotions in the words.
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Chapter 6: How does Mel Gibson view his filmmaking process?
Yeah. Absolutely. Benedict. Not Benedict. Well, he was covering up, but like. Yeah. So is the guy now. Is he really? Well. It's not great.
I thought he was like the more progressive pope.
Oh, he's very progressive, yes.
But he's covering up for stuff as well. Well, they all are. I mean it's a dark institution in a lot of ways because it's history.
Well, the institution, it was instituted by Christ. But that doesn't mean that it can't be flawed. And there's a school of thought that says – It isn't what it purports to be anymore. It's moved away from what it was intended to be and what it is. Almost like there's a guy called Bishop Vigano who says it's a counterfeit parallel church and it's running an entirely different religion.
I actually don't, I don't adhere to a post-conciliar church. I adhere. Can you define what that means? Okay. There was an event that happened in the 60s. First, there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John XXIII, Pope, right, in 1958. I was two years old, right? Um, he was elected and it was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave.
You know, usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the chimneys to tell you we have a Pope, you know, have a must pop them, you know, and the white smoke came out. And everybody cheered and they went crazy. And then about a half an hour later, black smoke came out. That never in history has that happened, that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out.
So white smoke means we found a new pope. Black smoke means no pope.
That's right. They'd have votes or there'd be one reason or another they'd have a round in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times, many times maybe. Maybe it would take two weeks. Yeah. But never was it known that white smoke came out, then black smoke came out.
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