Mel Gibson
Appearances
Morning Wire
Trump Hosts Starmer & Hollywood’s Woke Reversal | 2.28.25
We deserve much more and much better. And there is absolutely no adequate excuse the governor or mayor can make for this gross mismanagement and failure to preemptively deal with what they knew was coming. Was it incompetence? Was it indifference? Complacency? Carelessness?
Morning Wire
Trump Hosts Starmer & Hollywood’s Woke Reversal | 2.28.25
Was it negligence? Absolutely.
Morning Wire
Trump Hosts Starmer & Hollywood’s Woke Reversal | 2.28.25
Maybe we should go a different route than we did with Indiana Jones.
Morning Wire
Trump Hosts Starmer & Hollywood’s Woke Reversal | 2.28.25
Sure, yeah. Well, let's try that. Again.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, because I think it's scary because nobody's speaking your language. And you're looking at indigenous peoples who you... And because they're not speaking the language, you totally kind of buy it. And you can buy the horror and... and the primal nature of the story you want to tell.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And really, it's just a series of fears, one after the other, you know, being chased by scary guys or eaten by wild animals or, you know, hit by blowguns. It's all like a series of these things. But I think basically what I was doing was trying to talk about our time now. And the civilization that we live in. And how close are we to collapse? And what are the things that lead to collapse?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, it actually takes you down some pretty weird paths, you know. If you're happy all the time, I don't know. You don't have to strive to find thoughts to make yourself happy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
We send our young people over there to die, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for not. I mean, I love the warrior. I do. I love the warrior, but I hate the war. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Anyway, it's a mess. But the human sacrifice aspect is alive and well in our society, I think.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Rhetoric around it. But they've always been able to justify it. Like in Apocalypto, it was like, yeah, so the crops will be better. Hey, we'll just, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. And then I had all these people come out of the woodwork. Hey, we're... We're archaeologists and scientists, and that never happened. So there's this revisionism about it, too, that it didn't happen. But there are accounts from the time where, yes, people did witness these things.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And, of course, I had a bunch of battery of archaeologists and scientists and professors on my own that say, yeah, well, this stuff did happen, and here's the, you know, The depictions of it in paintings and images. It did happen.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It just came from in here. And I was working on something and a buddy of mine said, so what do you want to do next?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I want to direct something. I always want to direct a chase film. He said, what kind of chase? I said, a foot chase. He said, what? I said, yeah, people chasing you. I mean, there's something kind of primal and scary about a foot chase. And I think in order to have a foot chase, you can't have a society where there's any kind of cars or anything like that. Otherwise, you have a car chase.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But I want to film a foot chase like it's a car chase. And he said, oh, I said, what are you thinking? I said, well, I'm thinking if you go back before Columbus discovered America, you know, and it's like people assume that Columbus discovered America and then life began. I said, I want to know what was happening right before he got there, before he got there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So it's like it's a good – It's a good predisposition, I think.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I said, so I had this idea that you see all this stuff going on and there's no time period on it. And then all of a sudden you date it by the arrival of Europeans. And I thought, it's kind of like the Rod Serling, you know, Planet of the Apes. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of a cool, cool ending. And he said, oh, wow. And he said, where do you think Columbus landed? I said, well, let's look.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So I looked up and the first peoples he encountered were Mayan trading canoes off the coast of Honduras. And I thought, cool, what was happening in Honduras? And you look at these towns and pyramids and temples and stuff at that time. And then the story was born from there. And, of course, then we read the book by Jared Diamond, Collapse.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I read the Mayan Bible, the Popol Vuh, and tried to delve into what they believed and what their civilization was like. And they had concepts, as we do, of heaven and hell. of punishment or reward, you know? It was a little different, quite a bit different actually. In fact, when I went down to the archeological sites at El Mirador, they dug something up and it was like, well, what is it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It was this carved image in the stone of this Mayan warrior drinking, and he had an ear spool. And it was like, hmm. So they dug further and further, and it went like 26 meters down. And it was the entire story of the Popol Vuh, of the twins going into hell and getting their father's head and swimming back. And it's this crazy story. And it kind of dated that book.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Because I think it was almost 3,000 years old, this mural, this carving. So it tells you the story is pretty old. And they thought initially it was probably back in the 1300s, but this confirmed that it was at least 2,600 years old, something like that. Oh, wow. Yeah, so it's pretty cool. To be there when they're digging that stuff up is mind-blowing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
No. But we all want it. You notice we all yearn for it. That's the only thing we all want, right? Right. Just happiness.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Like, what is that? They got dudes that look like Europeans. They have these guys with red beards and helmets and stuff. Yeah. Like these Phoenician guys who probably traveled over there early on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
probably maybe in the 6th century or something like that. So it wasn't that long a boat ride, so they probably went over there and made contact, and they thought they were gods or something, and then they went away again, and they said, well, wait for them to come back. And, of course, they did come back. But it didn't work out the same.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Great. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's fascinating. I'll have to look into that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Germs. Yeah. Germs. I'm just on the tail end of some hideous flu that was going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I don't know what the hell. Yeah, I've had that. That was the swine thing. I had swine flu one time. Did you have that in 2009?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's completely unrealistic. However, it's nice to have those little journeys through art where you can actually explore those things. You can explore your ids. You can explore happiness and... So you can experience the opposite. I look at situations around me and I generally feel pretty grateful. from what some people go through. I'm grateful. And everybody's got their crap, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I got the swine flu. I acted more like a pig. Terrible. Terrible. Wallowing in my own mud. So I like Flight Risk. It's a fun movie. Oh, it's a hoot. I mean, I think the first thing you've got to do with any film, and I think it's incumbent upon all directors, artists, to entertain first. In some fashion. Even if it's a heavy story, you have to find some aspect of it that entertains.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I think this, for entertainment's sake, is just fun. And it's quick. I'm not subjecting you to four hours of watching autism dry. Right. It's like... You know, it's 85, 90 minutes, and you're out. Yeah, it's a good time. Yeah, and Mark is insane. Yeah, he's great in it. He plays a good psycho. Oh, he's a psychopath. Mark's got a good dark side.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
There's some dark stuff there that he was able to draw from. And every now and then he'd let it out. I can't even repeat some of the stuff he'd say. In fact, we had to cut most of it out. It was, like, really sick. But we hint at it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, there are things that speak to me. And they speak for a long time. It's... I remember when I was a kid in high school, I was studying English. And they said, well, where did the English language come from? And they talked about, wow, it came from this old guttural German, old Norse that the Vikings brought across. And I was thinking, well, that's cool, the Vikings, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And then immediately I start thinking, man, somebody should make – I want to make a film about Vikings and they only speak in Old Norse because if they say – if they speak English all of a sudden, you're not buying it. But if they speak in some guttural language, you're sort of scared by them. And it's like that's scary to me. And then I said to myself, I'm 17 years old.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Why am I thinking about making films about Vikings? I don't know anything about making films and not much about Vikings. So why the hell am I even thinking about that? But that was something that was early on was like a drive, I guess, to sort of depict things like that. So I did films in other languages, in Mayan and in Aramaic and in Latin. And there's a power to that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I noticed when I was young, I used to go and watch a lot of foreign films. And I watched French movies, right? Or German or whatever they were, Spanish. I'd watch them and I'd think, wow, the acting's great in those. And it seemed better because of the subtitles. Right. Yeah, yeah. More believable somehow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And also, it has to take your attention because you have to do another function. You have to read. Yeah. Which is another thing that sort of maybe blinds you to the flaws in the filmmaking, perhaps. Yeah. You know, hey, it's a great trick. It's obfuscation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. And there's something about the written word that's like it's a pretty interesting thing to throw into the mix. I know when I first started it was kind of confusing, but then I got really good at it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I think especially with something like the passion that I did, the written word was very important because it was, you know, you got all those books, the Bible, you know, you've got the different gospels and stuff that people are quite familiar with. Half the time, they didn't even need to read the subtitles. They could look at it and know what was going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But like this morning, for example, I would be surprised if my home is still there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, there was a lot of opposition to it. And I don't know. I think if you ever hit on that subject matter... You're going to get people going because it's big subject matter. And it's like, you know, and my contention is, you know, when I was making it, it was like you're making this film.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And the idea was that we're all responsible for this, that his sacrifice was for all mankind and that for all our ills and all the things in our fallen nature. It was a redemption. So, you know, and I believe that. You know, I actually am. You know, I was born into a Catholic family. I'm very Christian in my beliefs, you know. So I do actually believe this stuff to the full.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So depicting that was an honor, but it was also, yeah, you got the daylights beat out of you for it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He sold it, luckily. Yeah, I have a son. He's in a sort of volunteer fire brigade, Milo. I call him the mayor of Malibu. And he's running around. I asked him, how's things looking there, Milo? He says, not good, Pops. He says, your neighborhood. And he sent me a video of my neighborhood. And it's in flames. It looks like an inferno.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Even I do when I see it's like, you know, when it's not fair. Right. When I think it's off. Right. Like, you know, when they appoint some cardinal in some diocese and he's been covering up for like people who are child molesters. Yes. You know, like Theodore McCarrick or Cardinal Wuerl or those kind of guys. I mean. Or the Pope.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Absolutely. Benedict. Not Benedict. Well, he was covering up, but like. Yeah. So is the guy now. Is he really? Well. It's not great.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, the institution, it was instituted by Christ. But that doesn't mean that it can't be flawed. And there's a school of thought that says – It isn't what it purports to be anymore. It's moved away from what it was intended to be and what it is. Almost like there's a guy called Bishop Vigano who says it's a counterfeit parallel church and it's running an entirely different religion.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I actually don't, I don't adhere to a post-conciliar church. I adhere. Can you define what that means? Okay. There was an event that happened in the 60s. First, there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John XXIII, Pope, right, in 1958. I was two years old, right? Um, he was elected and it was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You know, usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the chimneys to tell you we have a Pope, you know, have a must pop them, you know, and the white smoke came out. And everybody cheered and they went crazy. And then about a half an hour later, black smoke came out. That never in history has that happened, that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
That's right. They'd have votes or there'd be one reason or another they'd have a round in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times, many times maybe. Maybe it would take two weeks. Yeah. But never was it known that white smoke came out, then black smoke came out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
That somebody was elected. and that maybe something else happened, and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in. So it was some kind of power struggle. And, of course, the man who came out was a man called Angelo Roncalli, and he was John XXIII. Now, it's interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another pope ever before in history.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But this man took the name of a known anti-pope, from the 15th century, that Cosimo de' Medici put in there as his own man. I'll get you in the chair, and then everything will be rosy. Everything will go good for business, whatever he was putting him in there for, some corrupt reason. And there have been corrupt men in that place before. I mean, there's Alexander VI and Julius II and Sixtus IV.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I mean, some of these guys are, you know, they're not saints. So he took the name of a known anti-pope from the fifth century who actually said, yes, I'm an anti-pope. Sorry, I'm not the right guy because there was more than one. And he confessed to being and he wanted to, you know, square things with with the almighty, I guess. So he confessed to being an anti-pope.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And so he took the same name as that guy, John the 23rd. So it's interesting, don't you think?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh, I don't know. I got a place in Costa Rica. I love it there. Costa Rica's nice. Yeah, I bought there many years ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's crazy, yeah. And, you know, it's a very small country. It's a country.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Even Ratzinger, he didn't drive from the Vatican to the other place. He flew. Ooh. And it was only a little while, because who knows why? I don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think so. And many institutions as well. But that is a very bad one. And I think it's all part and parcel of the same corruption they crept in. And when you asked what's the difference between pre-Vatican II. So Vatican II happened. And, of course, they took the church and they reformed it. And they changed things in it. And it didn't necessarily agree with everything that went before it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's in a real nice spot. It's not too touristy or, you know, dirt roads. Oh, nice. So it's off the beaten. Does it feel safe out there? Pretty safe. I think, look, no place is safe. I mean, you've got the Dariang down there, you know. What's that? It's kind of in the... What's the next country down? Panama.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And up to that point, yeah, you could find it agreed with itself. But all of a sudden, you got something else to the point where now, I mean, we got a pope that brought a South American idol into the church to worship. Really? He did. The Pachamama. He bought the South American, and he got that. I don't know what that is. It's kind of like a South American god, Pachamama. Why would he do that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, I was born scoliotic, you know? Yeah. So it's like, I just bought my own pen along so I could click the shit. You remember? Here, take all devices away from me. I can't believe you remember.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Good question. But he did. Did he have an explanation for why he did it? Yeah, it's kind of a weasel-worded thing of like, oh, all religions are just as good as one another. But, you know, if that's his contention... He shouldn't be the pope. No. How can he be the pope if you say all religions are just as good? Yeah, we all worship, you know. So, yeah, that is the Pachamama. There you go.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So he brought that in. Yeah, into the Vatican. Then the higher... The hierarchy even worshipped that they had a ceremony around it outside. What? Well, that constitutes apostasy. Yeah. That's an apostasy move, all right? Worshipping false gods. Yeah. That's number one on the Mosaic hit list. Yeah. Moses goes up on the mountain. He comes back down. People are worshipping him in a golden calf. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You know, it's that. Yeah. So you can't do that. And for me, that's a departure from... That's called apostasy. That's a falling away from it. And the very nature of apostasy means that you have to be part of it to fall away from it. So it's an inside job.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But it isn't good. I think we're looking at a world where... And in the next film I'm going to do, I'm going to try and tackle this question, that there are big realms, spiritual realms. There's good, there's evil, and they are slugging it out for the souls of mankind. And my question is, why are we even important?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Little old flawed humanity, why are we important in that process where the big realms are slugging it out over us? And I think there's bigger things at play here. And institutions that purport to touch on the divine are necessarily going to be affected by that slugfest that's going on between good and evil.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And sometimes good gives up ground. Yeah. And maybe not on purpose. Maybe there's some deception involved or self-deception. Co-opted. Every morning when I wake up, I actually pray that I don't deceive myself. Because it's like your mind is a very funny place. I mean there's – I've always said it's your second thought and your first action that you're responsible for.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And there's this no man's land where the Colombians come through and it's like, you know, all kinds of dirty dealings in the jungle with, you know, who knows, you know, drugs and mules and, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So... You know, it can be dangerous, and I've heard of danger happening there. You know, you hear about somebody getting chopped up by a machete.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I've planned a lot of murders in my life, you know. Yeah. We all have. Yeah, in your head, you plan the murder, and you think, well, that's not a very good idea. But I think I could get away with it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I found this out. I actually spent a long time in my animal brain, which is a very horrible place to be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You're in flight or fight. Right. All the time. You don't even sleep. It's like really not a good place to be. And if anybody looks at you the wrong way, you want to bite them. And sometimes you say and do things that are socially unacceptable. And I went and got a brain scan by this guy called Daniel Amen, who's this brain guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He's against all psych meds and stuff, but he thinks like, let me have a look at your brain. And he put a radioactive tracer in me to photograph my brain.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, he works with a lot of football players and guys who've had brain injuries. Man, it's thirsty in here. But so he looked at my brain and he was like, and he opens the file and I'm in there with the guy and he looks up and he goes, are you okay? And he goes, first, no, first he went like this. And I said, What? And he went, are you okay? Like that. And I said, yeah, I think so.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he came over and he sat next to me, but very slowly and cautiously. And he says, no, you're not. And I said, what do you mean? He says, you've got the worst case of PTSD I've ever seen. And I said, you mean like even worse than guys in war and shit like that? And he goes, yeah. And he says... You're not okay. Jesus Christ.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I was like, and I started to well up, you know, like, no, no, I'm not. Oh, boy. And it was, he had a very miraculous and great remedy for it. which was to eat a bunch of fish oil, vitamin B complex, and get into a hyperbaric chamber for 40 sessions. But make sure you do at least two or three a week. Oh. It fixed my head. Really? Yeah, it got me out of that wacky place, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And your brain is neuroplasticity. He explained neuroplasticity to me and how, okay, you could get brain damage and, like, holes in your head and, you know, concussion. I used to play rugby. I've been knocked out on the field a couple of times, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And Costa Rica, it's actually a cool place because it never had a culture of death like a lot of the Central American countries did. They have a culture of death, you know. Even Mexico, I mean, they used to, you know, tear people's hearts out. Aztecs. All that sort of stuff. Aztecs were like the Romans. The Mayans were like the Greeks. But they all sort of dabbled in some stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And so – It actually – you can actually heal the holes in your head. It looks like Swiss cheese in there. It's like horrible. A lot of these football players get like that too. The poor guys. I mean they get depressed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yep. Irritability. Irritability. Irritability when I kill somebody, it's like terrible. And it's just not socially acceptable. Plus, I don't want to go to prison.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, the rugby, I bet that's a giant factor. Yeah. I played from like 13 to probably in my late teens. And you get knocked around a little bit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, and like I'm addicted to the UFC, right? I love it. But I know that these guys are, I feel kind of sorry for them. I do as well. And one of the guys, I knew one of the guys fairly well. And usually I'm pretty immune to like, but like he was in there and he was fighting against Volanovsky. It was Brian Ortega. And he was getting his ass handed to him in one fight.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, I know. But because I knew Brian, it was like my son was in there. I almost started crying. And it got to me. I was like, I should probably feel like this about all these guys, but I don't know them as well.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, I met Muhammad Ali when he was in a chair, you know. And I don't know if I could even tell this story. What he said was so funny. But he was still in there, and he was still a little devil. And he was like, and he was still fucking with people. Of course. But it was like, I can't tell this story. You can't? No, man. Okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I'll tell you later. It's funny. But it was my assistant, you know. It was what he said to my assistant. It was like so funny. And then he said it, and we all were like, whoa! And then I looked at him, and he was just laughing. He was laughing his ass off. So he was still all in there, but it was hard. I guess he had the damage of being punched.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh, my God. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. I got knocked out in a fight when I was, like, 20. And it was, like, knockout. Like... And it was, you know, I woke up in the hospital. Not good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Costa Rica always had a policy where they was like the Switzerland of Central America. They emphasize education and health and everybody's literate. And it's kind of interesting in that way. But it deals with its own little troubles.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Michelle Docker even brains Mark Wahlberg with a fire extinguisher at one point.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Brains him, shoots him. Oh, yeah. He's a cockroach. You can't kill him. It takes a lot more. Well, you'll find out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
This is really weird, okay? So she's getting married. Married a great guy. They got a great family. And... A buddy of mine from Australia comes to the wedding, and he goes, hey. He comes up, and I go to hug him, and he ducks down, and he comes up, and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin. The guy weighs 240, and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin and knocks me the fuck out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Jesus Christ. I'm like, ah. And, like, for the next four months, I'm messed up. I have to get, like, a guy to work cranial sacral, you know, fix me up and stuff like that. It really messed me up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Wild folk. Worse than Germans. Wild ex-prisoners. Yeah, yeah. Wild prisoner of Mother England.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, it's the resurrection story. But it's not just – it's not linear because you can't really – it's hard to understand. So it's got to be put in a framework. Where you answer a few other questions as well. And you have to juxtapose the event itself against everything else so that it makes some kind of sense in a bigger picture, which is a hard thing to do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it took my brother and I about, and a guy called Randall Wallace, plus my brother and I, took us six, seven years to write it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, historical stuff. Well, I regard the Gospels as history. It's verifiable history. Some people say, oh, it's a fairy tale. He never existed, but he did. And there are other accounts, verifiable historical accounts outside the biblical ones that also bear this up that, yes, he did exist. And the other aspect of that is that all the evangelists, the apostles who went out there
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
every single one of those guys died rather than deny their belief. And nobody dies for a lie. Nobody. Right. So that's part of what I'm doing. It's like showing nobody dies for a lie.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Who who who gets back up three days later after he gets murdered in public, who gets back up under his own power? Buddha didn't do that shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yes. I think as a child, you know, one accepts things on faith because, you know, you're raised by people who are nice to you and they believe it. And my dad was a pretty smart guy. He was like Mensah smart, you know, like real smart. Like, back in 1968, he won Jeopardy, right? Really?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And then they brought all the Jeopardy winners back, and he played all the winners, and he beat all of them, too. So he had a mind like a steel trap. And his memory was practically photographic. My memory is pornographic, but it's like... His was like, I don't have that kind of mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But I'm more like, he did math, and, you know, I can't add. But... So as a child, you learn these things and you accept them on faith. And I still have that faith, but as I got older, I came to it through intellect and through reading and putting things together and accounts. And then occurrences, like in my own life. I mean, just recently they verified the Shroud of Turin. Have you seen that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
An intense light. I mean, atomic. To leave almost like a photographic imprint on a piece of cloth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And you can see it, that it depicts a first century Hebrew male because the hairstyle was from the first century. Yeah. and a Hebrew hairstyle, that he was about six feet tall, that he was completely scourged all over his body, he was crucified.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, yeah. Scourged, beaten. The wounds on the thorns, the hands, the feet. and the scourging and the hairstyle was from the first century. And the pollens that they found in the cloth were from that region. Also the weave was a first century weave that was typical.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And another guy, an archaeologist who I knew who actually translated the passion into Aramaic, told me that if you look close, you can see the image of a Tiberius coin marks on the eyes. Now, I don't know if that's real or not. I've never actually checked that, but that there's images of Tiberius on the coin. So they would put the coins over the eyes? Yeah. So that would date it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But they have now verified that it does actually go back to that time period. For a while, they were testing pieces that had been repaired in the 13th century. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But that's science, isn't it? You have to sort of play the devil's advocate. And that's okay. Go for it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Maybe, maybe. Who knows? I mean, it's got to be someplace, right? They buried it. They lost track of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But, man, it used to be. And all the stories are if you even touch it, you fall over, you know, because it was constructed electrically somehow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think it's the actual structure of the container it's in that is the problem. That's my thought on it. I could be wrong. But I think inside it they have –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
things from like when Moses was like manna and you know stuff like that that they they managed to keep from like for example they they say that uh that Golgotha the place where the crucifixion happened it's called Golgotha the place of the skull because that's where Adam's head is buried Really? Yes. And that it's also perhaps the same place.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it tells you it's kind of in the same area where Abraham almost sacrifices Isaac. Oh. So it's interesting. Yeah. And the cross, in any artistic depiction, at the foot of the cross, underneath it is the skull. representing the skull of Adam. Huh. So it's interesting.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Place of the skull, memory, myth, and the chapel of Adam.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. I think, isn't the Smithsonian guy all for it? I don't know. Maybe that's him. I don't know. But, yeah. There's for and against. There's always been.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's like an x-ray vision. It's like an x-ray. You really see it in the negative only. Right. Right. It's like a negative. Yeah. Hey, I buy it. But that's not the only reason I buy it. I mean, I think there's other logical reasons why I believe. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh, okay. Stuff that happens in your own life. The results you get from actually appealing to a power greater than yourself, you know? And, I mean, I don't think it's any secret. I am flawed in the fact that I am by nature born an alcoholic, right? I did drugs. I did alcohol. And there was nothing that could stop me. me from doing that. Nothing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So I was really kind of on, you're on a downhill run. So I regard the fact that I was able to appeal to something greater than myself to help me and actually stop me doing that. I think that's a miracle. It is, for me it is, and for many.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Because you're suffering your spiritual malady. So it's a spiritual cure. And that's the essence, I think, of why it works. Because you can't explain it otherwise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But I think what you're being asked to do is to think about other people and other things more than yourself because it's kind of an ego disease.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And no matter what you need, it's never going to be enough.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Right. So you actually have to appeal to something outside that you consider bigger and better than yourself, which instantly... kind of pushes you more in the direction of humility because you're not the center of the universe anymore and that you can't do it. And the first step in any of that sort of stuff is accepting that you are powerless over it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
That's the most powerful step you can do is that you're powerless. When you realize that, you're like, okay, there's fuck all I can do about this. I have to appeal to something better than me. And that to me is a miracle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
What is the purpose of everything? I mean, why am I here? What's the meaning of this? I'm looking for a purpose, and what is it we're here for? I think, you know, we have to leave some stuff, but you have to leave some good stuff. You can leave plenty of bad stuff. And we're all prone that way. I often think about the human race as a whole.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You think about guys like Stalin or Hitler or Chairman Mao. And I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be sharing a cell in the afterlife with those guys. I don't know where I'll be on the ladder. Depends on how you end up, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It really is. And we're allowed to make mistakes. And we do. We are so flawed. And I'm more flawed than anyone. But it's something that you, I think, and it's pretty safe to say I'm in the third act now. You're in act two, right? Gesundheit. But I'm like, I'm in the third act, man. So you have to think about the other side. You have to think about what comes next. Is there a next? Yes, there is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I believe there is. And I think it depends on how you live now. And the beauty of believing is that Even for your transgressions, you can be forgiven. And you can be redeemed. But it's all up here.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Absolutely honestly. You have to be able to accuse yourself. And... and understand that it's a great deal of mercy involved in the fact that I believe that God sent his son down to tell us, okay, I'm going to ransom you people from your fallen nature, and I'll give you a roadmap on how to do it. And people do it. There's even people that do it that have never even heard of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You know, some guy in the jungle someplace, I'm sure. Right. You know? Because the creator is above the law. It's an interesting fact to note that the first canonized saint, you know who it was? No. The first ever confirmed canonization as a saint. It was Dismas. You know who Dismas was? No. He was the thief on the cross next to Jesus.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he says to him, you're going to be okay this day. You'll be with me. Unbaptized, criminal, all that stuff. Wow. The lawmaker is above the law. So there's a lot of mercy involved.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
What about the uncontacted people? That's right. That's what I'm saying. Some guy in the jungle. It's been known that it's called invincible ignorance because they don't know what the truth is. It's possible that they can be saved as well.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
That's hilarious. Oh, yeah. I'm a fidget. Let me take everything off. It's not good. Oh, yeah. Born slightly scoliotic. And then, of course, I banged myself up over the years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
The Darwin thing? Yeah. I don't really go for it. No? Eh. Ice age, dinosaurs, you know. What did they turn into? I mean, things became extinct at some point. I don't think I was some kind of like, you know, legless thing that crawled out of the ocean. I don't think I came from that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Sure, look at gain of function. You can make stuff happen. I'm sure stuff did happen. But I think it's all part of creation. I think it's all ordered. I think anything left to itself without some kind of intelligence behind it will devolve into chaos. And so that there has to be some big intelligence that orchestrates everything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Not that we don't have chaos in the world, but I think that's our own making.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think we have a soul. We're created with a soul. And, you know, I went to a restaurant last night. It was a steakhouse in Austin. And it was interesting because all the pictures on the wall are pictures of animals that look resentful, like cows and steers staring at you, looking angry as you rip into a steak. But I just believe we are higher than those creatures because we have a soul.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
We have an intellect above theirs. And we aspire to higher things. We have aspirations. Right. And, you know, this is part of why people drink and smoke and do dope and all this kind of stuff is because they're looking for a spiritual experience. They're looking for, like they actually call alcohol spirits. I mean, they're looking for something higher.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I think we all have that yearning in that we want to be happy and we want to be at peace and we want everything to be hunky-dory. So there's this yearning in building all of us for that to aspire to something greater. And that's why we're inspired by stories, I think, because it's like, you know, hero stories. You know, Joseph Campbell's stuff, the hero with a thousand faces and stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's like these stories inspire us. I was at a party the other day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
in in uh in tennessee and you think tennessee what's gonna happen there it's gonna be squeal like a pig no man there's some people live in tennessee sure but like amazing people and i found myself in a conversation with four tier one dudes all of who did something extraordinary and it was that tom slattersley guy it was the black hawk down guy
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Gallagher, yeah. Eddie Gallagher. I was talking to four of these guys at the same time. And I didn't know who to, who do you even talk to? But their stories are amazing, especially, and the one guy I ended up talking to was an SAS guy, British SAS. And he just looks like a bank teller.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But he did something extraordinary and incredibly brave and with no regard for himself, only regard for other people. And it was like, whoa. You hear these stories and it's sort of just like it pumps you up. You think, could I do that? Could I be that person? I don't know if I could. In a way, I don't even want to ever find out because you have to be in an extreme situation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But hearing about other people and how they behave in situations that are difficult is very inspiring. So, you know, it's... Yeah. There's so many of those stories around and through history.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Well, that's right. I made a film about that guy, Desmond Doss. You know, I don't know if you saw it. It was like Hacksaw Ridge. It was this film and it was about a medic. who figured so much killing going on, he's going to go into the battlefield and save lives. And he didn't have a weapon. And he was in the worst place on earth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he got a Congressional Medal of Honor because he kept going in to the worst place possible and dragging wounded guys out with no regard for himself. I mean, who does that kind of stuff? And over and over again. He didn't just do it once. He did it hundreds of times. He finally got, you know, hit with shrapnel and a bunch of other stuff. But he lived to be an old man. But wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, I think everything was created. Right. And maybe things do move on and adapt and change through time. But I think that that's a function of an intelligence also. And, I mean, look at the fires in L.A., you know. I mean, what's that going to do? It's going to give me a new house, you know, maybe. Maybe.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, something. Yeah, I'm just not totally convinced. I feel it in my, and I can't really, I'm sorry, I can't intellectually tell you why I don't believe in evolution, but I don't. It's just a feeling. I don't think I was some ape or I don't think my ancestors were. I think they had to be pretty smart to survive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. Okay, well, they've got something called Zinjanthropus. You remember him?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he was like, hmm, you look kind of like this. But it was like they looked at it and they did some core samples on it. And it was put out there by people advocating evolution. And they discovered that it was a human skull attached to the jaw of an ape.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I don't know. They could be animals or they could be like, look at today. I mean, you can get some mosquito can bite you and and your kid can be born with a malformed skull or something. It's like, you know, they have those, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, one has to be forewarned, forearmed, all that, you know. So I have a nice place down there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, you don't have to. And I don't have to. And what difference is it going to make to me?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I just like, you know, I look at all sorts of stuff like that, like, you know, the icebergs melting and the water overflowing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Ever have a glass full of ice and watched it melt? Did you ever see the glass flow over?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, I worked in Mexico a couple of times. I was down there and it was... It was in Barracruz. And apparently, you know, people were rolling heads into bars and stuff like that, you know, rival gangs and stuff. And they said, I'd go for a walk, you know. And they'd say, you're crazy going for a walk. You'll get kidnapped. I said, I'm not going to get kidnapped. I'm the guy that pays.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. But it was a good picture. The only thing that was going through my head was, okay, I just can't look bad. And I didn't have anything, no grooming implements. So I just tried my best to not look too bad.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, sure. Public humiliation. And you know what? For most people... It is their number one fear. Sure. Is public humiliation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You're going to get kidnapped. And I'm not going to pay your ransom. I never felt insecure in that way. And, you know, if something's going to happen, it's going to happen. Yeah. You know, if your number's up. I know I used to watch guys who do what I do for a living and they'd have a phalanx of bodyguards around them, you know, and like for security and stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think they were giving you a grilling once for taking horse worm medicine. Yeah, funny. Yeah. Funny how that works. Yeah, funny how that works. Funny how that does work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, I read the book. I listened to it. Yeah, I did too. I drove up to San Francisco and I listened to it and I had road rage.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Right. Or at least free. Right. Right. And no repercussions. Yeah. Whatever happened to that story where, you know, the wombat and the weasel got together and horsing around and a bat pissed on him with a golden shower, you know, and all of a sudden it was in a wet market. Yeah. Very wet market.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It was like the AIDS thing. Some green monkey bit a Qantas steward on the ass. Then he went around the world and got everybody sick. And it was like, you know, ridiculous.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I was in the Sydney Theatre Company in the 90s. And I was going to a funeral once a month of friends. They were all dying. It's crazy. In the 80s and 90s.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I used to have that stuff for a little while, but it doesn't make any difference. You're going to be okay. Or not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, I read it. It's even with RFK's book. And he's an amazing guy. People say, oh, he's kooky. He's crazy. He's not crazy. He's not. He's one of the most erudite. They say, he's an anti-vaxxer. He's not. He's not. He's a very shrewd. He's never lost a case, I don't think. When he brings something to suit. I don't think he's ever been defeated. But that book is not just him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's him and about a thousand highly qualified scientists and physicians commenting on the whole situation. So when you read it, it's a pretty convincing document. And you're right. Nobody sued him for it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. I got in a dodgy situation one night, and I acted crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. What happened? If you act crazy, everybody leaves you alone. Especially if you are a little crazy. You know? You're in a stress mode, so you actually get angry. If I feel like I'm threatened, I get angry. which is what happens, and then you get really in people's faces, and they think, this guy's crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Are we smarter than our grandparents? You know, I don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. I don't have many devices for information. I read books. I read mostly history books. Yeah?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh, I got to recommend a book to you. Okay. It's fascinating. And it's called The Frontiersman. And it's about a guy called Simon Kenton. You ever hear of this guy?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it was written by a guy who's now deceased. His name is Alan Eckert. And it is really about opening up Ohio and Kentucky and places like that with this guy Simon Kenton, who was just an Irish immigrant. He wasn't much for farming and stuff, but he thought he killed a guy. And so he ran away because he thought he'd be indicted for some crime or something.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he ended up being this frontiersman. And it is... It's a very interesting document because... You get the history of what was going on at the time when the country was opening up between the settlers and the Indians, you know, the Shawnee. One of the most brutal books I've ever read. Really? Oh, it's very well done.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it has a narrative, but it's reconstructed from all kinds of historical documents and letters and diaries and all this kind of stuff. So I think the guy took about 15 years to sort of compile all this stuff and write it. And the first half of the book is about this guy, Simon Kenton, and the second half is about Tecumseh, you know, the chief. Really great book.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
One of the most fascinating books I've read. You can't put it down. Really? Yeah, because it's just like little chapters. I'm going to get that right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I'm going to check that right now just so that I make sure that I have it yeah and it's all in little bite sized chunks and it actually for a history book it has this incredible narrative with heroes and villains and all the players very interesting document I'm getting it right now oh yeah Don't read it before bed. No? No, it gets pretty dark.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But all the old cultures thought that, like when there were people traveling across the Great Plains to go west, you know, if you acted nuts, they'd leave you alone, because they didn't want your evil spirits.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I don't know. I think because maybe I'm trying to learn something. It's been about 80 years since the last big war.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think I just want to learn. I mean, my dad went to World War II. He went to Guadalcanal, right? Got bit by mosquitoes. He had malaria. which is interesting to note that he used to take hydroxychloroquine when you get a malaria attack. Isn't that crazy? And then when my doctor recommended I get it when I had COVID, they gouged me $800. It used to cost him $30. They wanted $800.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, and people have been taking it forever. Sure, pregnant women can take it if they have the flu and it doesn't hurt the baby. It's pretty safe.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's like the stem cell stuff. They started using it on horses with emphysematic lung conditions, race horses, because they would bleed. And they got the stem cells from the umbilical cords of their offspring, injected it into them, and it healed their lungs. Which is part of my story. Because I smoked for 45 years and I couldn't stop. And I read this silly book by Alan Carr.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh, man, I was in a bad neighborhood. It was when I first got into L.A., I was to go to dinner with Costa Gavras. He was a Greek director. I went the wrong way. And it was before they had, you know, phones with like, you know, all that stuff. The Thomas guide. It was the Thomas guide. Anyway, I wasn't guided well by Thomas. I ended up in the wrong place. And then my muffler fell off.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Not the little guy who managed the village people in the caftan, the little fat guy. No, this other guy, Alan Carr. And he wrote this book. And it's the only thing that made me stop. It worked like crazy. The book made you stop? The book made me stop. I read this book. It was a book called The Easy Way to Stop Smoking. And it's a silly title, right? And it was sad, and my son gave it to me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He said, stop smoking, Dad. Here's this book. I left it on. I used to walk past the bookshelf and go, dumb book, dumb title, you know. And then I finally, my doctor said, you have first stage emphysema. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. He said, yeah, you've got to get this. I said, eh, I better read this book. So I read the book, and I stopped. Right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So it was... I think it was like neuro-linguistic programming or something like that. You read it and you kind of self-hypnotize yourself. But it worked. What did the book tell you? It said... It didn't tell you you're bad, you're going to die. It didn't tell you all that sort of stuff. It was like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I mean, they had things like, maybe I'm blowing it, but they had a chapter where it says, okay, we focused on the negative aspects of smoking. Now we're going to talk about the good aspects of smoking in the next chapter. And then you turn the page and the page is empty. You know, and it's just a trick. It's a mind trick. The whole thing was a mind trick, but it worked.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I don't know why it worked, but it was sort of like self-hypnosis while you're reading the book. And it wasn't a negative thing like, I got to stop this. It's bad. It's bad. I'm scared. It wasn't even that. In fact, if I hadn't had the stem cells afterwards, my lungs completely healed from that, by the way. Did they do it intravenously? Yeah, intravenous. And it gets stuck in your lungs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think so. Yeah. And, you know, there's an agenda. I think, you know, pharma wants to keep you on stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
They want to sell you something. So if there's a surefire cure for something, it's not necessarily hailed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
What do we got now? What is it? Do you think there will be?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I got COVID from my gardener and he had it first and then I got it. And I was like, ah, did I grab the hose or what? You know, what was, I don't know. But it was, it was, I knew the guy for 20 years and we both went to the same hospital and he died and I didn't. Jesus. I think we both got remdesivir, which is not good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I know. I couldn't walk for three months after I had that stuff. Really? Because it kills you. I found out afterwards it kills you, and that's why I wonder about Fauci.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I don't believe that there is anything that can afflict mankind that hasn't got a natural cure for it. I think that there has to be. It just makes sense to me. Now, I couldn't prove that, but I just believe that, that there's got to be something that cures things. And I'll tell you a good story. Okay. I have three friends. All three of them had stage four cancer.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I was driving a Mercedes, you know, pretty nice sporty car, you know. And I thought, oh, and I had the wife in the car and
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
All three of them don't have cancer right now at all. And they had some serious stuff going on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
pulled into a side street the sun was going down and as i got out of the car i thought i got to fix this muffler i can't just drag it people started coming from houses and they came up to me and and i saw them coming in the rear view mirror and uh i jumped out of the car and got in their face and i said what the do you want because i thought i felt threatened right and um
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, yeah. Zinc and quercetin. I do all that stuff. I do all that stuff. Did you do the BRCA thing? Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I lost 30 pounds. Right. It's fantastic. I was talking to Dana and he said, oh, you know, and I said, yeah, I got to do something about this. I'm like, I'm 5'10", 235, you know, that's too fat.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So I had to I had to sort of roll it back some. Now I'm under 200, which is. That's great. Should be, you know. But and it was that breakfast stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Do you do the saunas, too? Oh, yeah. Do you do the red light bed?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Incredible. I've got to get back in there. I feel like I've got more holes in my head.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I used to have a Qigong master. This is what kind of blows my mind about... and about ancient stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
This guy is from Shanghai. He didn't speak much English, right? A little bit. His wife would translate for him. And he'd come in, and he could, like, point at you, right, from this far away, and you'd feel it. But, like, feel it, like, as palpable as someone pushing you around. It's like, ugh, ugh. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not kidding. What year was this when this was happening? Oh, shit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I met him when I was like 40. Yeah? He only just passed away. Damn, too bad. I'd like to meet that guy. Oh, no, there's people like him. There are others like him. Oh, yeah, he's not the only one. He learned it from somebody, and I think he imparted some knowledge.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
but you know he would get you and he could he could like point at you and stuff like that and it makes you wonder like how did they build the pyramids you know i mean if if he can use his mind and kind of get into quantum physics and move around with thought and with energy there's actual energy coming out of his fingers they could have built the pyramids like that i don't know maybe somebody had that down somewhere but well i'd like to hear a better explanation me too well it's it was really weird i
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He, one time he was working on me and he was working on my liver. He said, your liver's blocked because he looks at you. And if you look at him, he looks away. And his wife engages you while he checks you out. And then he gives you a little body map and he puts X's all over it. And you go, yeah, that's right. I got a pain here and a thing there. You know, he knows where everything is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Once you start opening stuff up and fooling with it, there's no going back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He knows exactly what's going on. Did you ask him, is he seeing your aura? Like, what is he seeing? Everything. He sees everything. He was an allopathic doctor first. He went to medical school. He could write your prescription. He could do all that stuff. He was a doctor. And then he saw a Qigong master, this old guy, and people were lining up getting cured.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And the guy said, man, I'm just looking for some money. You got any money? So I was being mugged. And it was like, I thought, I'll think about it when I'm fucking finished. I opened the trunk. And this is the weird part, Joe. I will never quite understand this. I opened the trunk to see what I could find to help me put the muffler back on.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he thought, that's really interesting. And he learned that on top of being an allopathic doctor. So one day he's at me on my back, and he's pushing, and I can feel my back, and I'm at the wall, and there's a poster of a film on the wall, you know, in my office. And I'm looking, and I can see him in the background, and he's like down like this, like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
like kung fu pointing rays of energy at me. And he hit me. He started yelling at my organ, at my liver, like, get out, you know, whatever. And I went up the wall, and there was like eight inches of air under my heels. and I was up the wall, and I was like, whoa, and I came back down, and it freaked me out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I looked at him, and he just went, ah, he said, don't die, it's just science, like that. Just science, okay? Just science? Yeah, just science. And I was so freaked out, I went to a priest, I said, is this guy demonic or something? Because he's lifting me off the wall, and... And the priest was like, he was an old Jesuit, right? A traditional old guy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he was a cross between Jimmy Stewart and Elmer Fudd, you know? That's the way he sounded. And I said, is this anything, like, demonic about this guy? He says, whoa, whoa, whoa, did he heal you? Like that. And I said, why, yes, he did. And he said, that's all right then.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he says, I have no trouble with something like that because it was within the realm of possibility that somebody had power like that and that it's inexplicable, but that it works. And it did work.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And sitting there, the only two things in the back of the trunk was a pair of wire cutters and a coat hanger. It's exactly what I needed, and I don't know why it was there. That's weird, isn't it? That's very weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
That's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. Because I think, yeah, there are party tricks that you can get.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, that's why I went to the priest, because I thought, right, because I'm off the floor. Right. So I thought, I got to check this out because this is too weird. And he said, did he heal you? And I said, he did. And he said, that's all right, then. Because the guy wasn't trying to get anything out of me. In fact, he never charged me. The first time I went to see him, he charged me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it was like, okay. And then he never charged me again. And he used to call me when I was sick. I wouldn't call him. He knew when I was sick. He'd call me. He'd say, I need to come see you. I'm like, okay. So he had like some sort of a direct line with your energy. Something. Pretty amazing. Yeah. And he could, oh, this is the other thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He could teach you martial arts like quickly without you having to know what to do. It was a weird thing. He did it firstly with my son who he got him for a couple of weeks and like he said, I'm going to show you something. And I went out there and he blindfolded me. He had these two swords and he was doing all this crazy stuff. I'm like, what the? I said, how did he learn that so fast?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He said, it was in him. I'm like, whoa. And then he started to do a thing that he taught me how to harness this energy. And to actually begin... what seemed to be almost like involuntary movement. And depending on the hand mode you took, it would create a style of kata or self-defense. I used to do a crude martial art. Not crude, but like a hard martial art. What was it? Kyokushinkai.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It is? Yeah. I can't remember. But it's like, you know, I didn't stick with it. But he got this whole other approach of breathing and visualizations that would actually draw energy in. into your lower chakras, and then you'd release the energy and it would create this kind of movement. And I showed it to a friend of mine who was a martial artist.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I said, tell me about the footwork I'm doing here and what I'm doing. And he looked at me and he says, that looks really good to me. It was kind of like, what's that really soft kind of martial? Tai Chi. It was like that. I was doing stuff like that. It was crazy. And it was really a great release, but it was about visualization and breath.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yep. I cut a piece of wire, wired the muffler up. The whole time, more guys are coming. Jesus Christ. And they're standing behind me, and I'm feeling like, oh. And anyway, I get up. I finish the muffler, slam, and I'm acting mad and crazy the whole time. And I think, this guy's nuts. And I get back to the car, and my wife gives me a handful of cash. And I thought, what's this?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And the release of that energy that you pent up from all around that you visualized manifesting itself in you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It keeps people young and healthy. They do it in China. You see groups of people out in Asia sort of out there in groups doing it all in unison. It's like... It's a good thing. Exercise.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh, gosh. I'm terrible. I've been – I've come off – I'm falling apart. I got this – I got dead guy's parts in my shoulder. I've got, you know, cadaver parts. This shoulder fell apart. This shoulder fell apart. A hip, a foot. It was terrible. I couldn't walk for about a year almost.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And so, you know, you fall down. That's partially why I had to go and see Breck at a sort of – Get the couch potato stuff off. But, you know, I lift weights and I do some, you know, walking and stuff like that. Like really get your heart rate up and stuff like that. So, you know, I'm trying. Hey, I'm, you know, I'm 69 years old. So it's like it's getting to be like seven decades or, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. But I want to stay fit if I can. And I banged myself up a little too much in my early life, so I'm paying for it now. And, like, in your 60s, man, you're not there yet, but stuff starts, like, giving up on you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
58 is when it starts, man. Oh, Jesus. That's when I first noticed it. It was like, oh, what's going on with this here, this shoulder?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I went down to Reardon, of course, who shot it up with stem cells, and it was good for like two years, you know. You just got to keep going back. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I mean, so I was in reasonable shape at 58, and I think I'm in reasonable shape now. But I'm just, you know, it's just trying to push the old man off. There's various methods to do it, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think a lot of it's about meditation too, you know. You can actually get into a good head space that kind of cools you out and stops the stress, even no matter what's going on. I'm going to have to do it tonight when I find out whether I still have a home or not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
She says, it's just wives of ones. Give it to them. So I threw it and drove off. But it was like, it was looking hairy for a minute. And you never know. What year was this? Oh, my God. Back in the 90s.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And you've got to be careful, too, because you could die. Oh, 100%. If you can't breathe.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it can happen to anything. Yep. I got hung once by mistake. And I was on a film set. And I had my neck in a noose. And I was directing the film. So I'm on a ladder. And I'm like, so, I'll just be hanging here like this. And then the next thing I knew, I was waking up. I was on the floor. And there were all these people standing over looking at me. And I'm saying, what are you people doing?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Get to work. And they said, well, you hung yourself. I said, whoa.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
kidding me it happens in an instant and you don't know it it wasn't painful nothing i was just gone well you probably got choked out yeah choked out by the by the noose and then they grabbed me by the legs and got the rope off and jesus like during braveheart it was oh really oh wow it was funny so i found out what it was like to sort of go into the next realm but of course
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
We did – I was fortunate enough to work with Horian Gracie 39 years ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. He taught – yeah, Horian taught me the leg choke. He said, now you grab your foot and you – Yeah. Okay. And it was cool. But it was – now my girlfriend does it. And she's like a purple belt. Really? Yeah, I've learned not to talk back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
No, she is. She's obsessed with it. And she's, you know, as I say, I don't talk back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Because I know from fighting with her. She wins arguments when she's wrong.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Big dudes and stuff. And she's like, you know, she's done some exceptional things I've heard. So it's like, yeah, it's pretty good.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't follow it up. You can still do it. No, I'm a more baseball bat gun kind of guy. I'm in trouble. I just like, you know, that kind of stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, that happens a bit. Yeah. Oh, well. Yeah, there's a perverse nature in our society right now with the law.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's creation. Yeah. I think it is. It's about creation. And I figure. I'm pretty average at most things, but I'm good at a couple of things. I know how to tell a story on film. I know how to do that. I don't know. That's a weird place to be, but I think a lot can be achieved by art and image, and you can convey a lot without actually having to say it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You can do things to affect people emotionally or spiritually even without being overt. I always like to reference just a shot
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
and it's in a Ridley Scott movie and you don't know why it works or why it's effective on some level but it's kind of a profound effective shot and it's that first shot in the Gladiator movie where he's running his hand over the wheat with that music and stuff why does that work? I don't know you can't explain it but it works
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And that's really good. It's a valid pursuit, I think, in storytelling, if you can do that. Every time he goes out there, it's eye candy. It's a feast for the eyes, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Sure, entertainment, yeah. And, yes, different goals. And it was—the other thing, too, is it's like we're living in a different time now in the film world. I mean, everything's upside down, and you have to compete in a medium where you have less time, less money. Do it fast. Do it now. And it's like, wow, can I do that? I—
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Always had the luxury of like, you know, big budget and 3000 people on horses and all this kind of stuff or, you know, and was able to take my time with stuff. But I had 22 days. And here you got to tell the story in 22 days. So I felt the challenge of being able to do that and being able to make something that. Really got people like they could watch it and enjoy it, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I'm glad you saw it. I'm glad you liked it. And that's all I want. I just want people to have a nice little ride, a fun ride, entertainment. But, yes, you have different goals with things. I mean, the next thing I'm going to tackle is more profound for me. It's going to take more out of me. This is the resurrection story. Yeah. And I even have to change my entire life to do it. How so? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
You can't go into a project as profound in nature as that. without somehow preparing yourself for it. It's like preparing for a fight. It's like you have to be fit for the fight. And yeah, so you have to spiritually prepare yourself for that. And that's gonna take some sacrifice. Because I profess this and I profess that. I'm not a great example of Christianity. I'm flawed.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I make a lot of mistakes, but I have to try and be better somehow in order to go in and make that film. So what does that mean? I think I know what it means, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, it was fascinating to watch him work, actually. And most of the time I just like backed away because he was doing something that. And I've seen a lot of people portray Jesus in films. Right. And I never buy it. You can't quite buy it. Something creeps in the color that's not something. Something's not right or discordant.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And like Hippocrates, you know, the father of medicine. He said, in any ailment, look first to the spine. And it was like, he's kind of right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And some of them are pretty good, but you never quite believe it all the way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Which, interestingly enough, I was in a hotel room. in the Savoy and I had food poisoning. I was near dead from, I ate a bad oyster in London and I was dying in a hotel room and I couldn't even leave. It was the worst. I think it was like salmonella or something. And I saw this cord on the side of the bed and I pulled it and all of a sudden a door opened up and a butler like Jeeves came in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He says, yes, sir. And I'm like, whoa. I said, I'm really sick. I said, what do you think I should eat? Might I suggest some warm consomme and a cup of tea? I said, okay. So this butler took care of me in this hotel. But while I was there, Scorsese calls the room and says, come here, I want to talk to you. So I go in and talk to Martin.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he's in his room and all the windows, the screens are drawn. He's got 18 different TVs going on at the same time in this dark room. And he's talking to me about The Last Temptation of Christ and he wants me to play Jesus. And I said, whoa, I'm not doing it. And I sort of got out of there. And then I went back to my room and they changed my room. This is really weird.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
They had changed my room and moved my stuff. And they told me they were going to do it, but I forgot. So I'm using a key to get into my room, and it won't work. And the door opens up all of a sudden, and it's Keith Richards in his underpants standing there staring through me. And there's a girl in a mink coat walking around it, mink coat and nothing else, walking in the background.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
and Keith Richards is standing there in his underpants with a spliff and I'm like I tried to explain that I thought it was my room but it wasn't and you know it was ridiculous I'm 26 years old and he just looks at me like He shuts the door in my face. I thought, well, that was my meeting with Keith Richards. He slammed the door in my face. I was like, it's fantastic.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Anyway, but what were we talking about? Caviezel playing Christ. He did something I think that nobody else did. And I think he pulled it off because I totally believed it. I believed it too. And it was like, what did he do? He emptied himself out. Yeah. Yeah. And he invited something else in. And he left it. He just, he didn't try anything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
He just, he emptied himself out and he meditated and he let Christ in.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And then, you know, he got sidetracked by a few guys. I mean, there's some people out there who are like, They get in your ear and it's like Cassius, you know, talking.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And they get you to make a speech somewhere. And, you know, it's like, you know, throwing eggs at you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And you wonder, you know, should I even be saying this? And so he stepped on a bunch of landmines. But, yeah, it did have a profound effect on him. But I think he was already mostly there anyway. And I noticed that because when I was trying to cast it, I thought, who could play this? And I saw the opening shot from Terry Malick's film, which is The Thin Red Line.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it was just a big close-up of Gwiesel. And there was something otherworldly and childlike going on there in the close-up. And I thought, who's that guy? He's amazing. Of course, he couldn't keep the blue eyes. He had to trade them out. So I changed the color of his eyes to brown and all that stuff so it looked like he came from the region.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But amazing. He already had a quality, an ethereal kind of otherworldliness, space cadet quality. Yeah. And he's still kind of like that. He's still like, wow. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, yeah. He got in real tight with it, and I think he had some experiences while he was doing it. He suffered a little, you know. Didn't he get struck by lightning? Well, there's two times there was these lightning strikes happening on the set, you know. And there was this guy with him. He was a young fella, one of the assistants on the film. His name was...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Jan, and old Jan was like, he's like six foot two, Italian, northern Italian guy, you know. If he tripped in the street, women would slide under him, you know. It was that kind of stuff. The guy was like a babe magnet, right? And I think he was taking full advantage of the gifts he had. But... He got hit by lightning the first time getting people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
We were out on the hill, and there was a lightning storm, like with the crosses and stuff. Oh, Jesus. And this guy called Chieppo, he was a grip, and he never spoke a word to me the whole time. He was just a quiet kind of guy. And I figured, oh, he doesn't know English, so, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But he came up to me, and in perfect English, he said, you know, I think you should get all the people off the hill. We could be struck by lightning. And I thought, oh, that's a good idea. Let's get off the hill. So we're moving off the hill. Everybody's getting off. And this kid gets hit through the umbrella, this Jan guy. He gets zapped by lightning, right? But he's 22.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he goes to the disco all night and dances. You know, he's doing the whole, you know, 22 experience. And he comes back the next day. He's like, yeah, it was great. And then he was with Jim the second time it happened. But this time, I found him in a Fiat Bambino with his knees up around his ears, like waiting for the third strike. He was like, this just doesn't happen twice in the third strike.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And he says, I have to change my life. So it was pretty funny.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it was a very strange experience, that one. Because I put the money in and I thought, well, maybe I'll break even. And it was, then I got these messages back. All the majors wouldn't distribute it. So I was like, nobody will distribute it. Okay, I guess I've lost, you know, the money, but it was worth the experience. And so one guy was left in the room at the end when the dust settled.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It was some guy. He said, I'll distribute. And he had a little company called New Market, and they distributed like one or two films before. And I think it was a Charlize Theron movie called A Monster about that horrible serial killer. Oh, yeah, yeah. And... He said, I'll do it. And, you know, it was just really basics. I went and I met the exhibitors.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And, you know, and this guy was like the distributor. This little company was just him and a toothless dog and a fax and an assistant. And it was like, okay, what's all the smoke and mirrors about this between the distribution and exhibition? I made handshake deals with all the exhibitors. Yeah, we'll show this. Okay. And then we put it out there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And it went out, nobody expected it to do much, but it did phenomenally well. And there was this kind of thing in town, in the town, they said, did anyone just see that? Did anyone just see what that guy did?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Zero. Zip. Zip. And in 2019, I think Newsom said, you know, I'm going to take care of the forest and maintain the forest and do all that kind of stuff. He didn't do anything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And we don't want anyone doing that. You know, because it sort of walked around the entire system. And scored.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Well, I had no alternative. Right. Because no major would back it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Rupert Murdoch said, you know, he wanted to. And then he said, nah. And then somebody advised him and said he'd be out of business in five years.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Wow. In five years if he distributed that. Yeah. And I was like, wow, if he's scared, I'm like, I've got to crash and burn here. But it actually did all right. It did phenomenal. Yeah. And then, again, I tried to. I went with the studio on Apocalypto, but, man, that didn't work out so well. It didn't? No. In what way? Well, it was interesting. The film. was a film with, it had no stars.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It was in another language, and it came out on a weekend with another film that had Leo in it and another film that had Cameron Diaz in it. And so those three films came out on the same weekend, and the one with no stars and without the language won the weekend monetarily. It won the box office by a narrow margin on the other two. And the second week out, Disney pulled the screens. Really? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
So I thought, oh, that's funny. Well, screens are gone. I guess there's another agenda. Because that was another self-funded thing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I think so. But, you know, it's just politics and, you know. And I think perhaps the distribution deal on that wasn't as good as something else. So, you know, it's all business. It's a phenomenal movie, though. It's a great film, yeah. And it did better afterwards.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's all funny. And then I think all our tax dollars probably went for Gavin's hair gel. I don't know, but it's like, you know, it's sad. It's like the place is just on fire.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I think I love primitive stuff, you know, and primal emotions. I mean, basically, it's a guy just trying to get back home to save his wife and kid and And he's got a lot of obstacles in the way, like jaguars and bad guys chasing him and trying to skin him and trying to rip his heart out. It's pretty cool.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And I sat in a room with my assistant. He said, what do you want to do next, a chase movie? He said, well, so we found out where the Mayan canoes in Columbus and all that, and then we just started making the story up in the room, and we wrote it. Wow. Yeah. Some assistant, man, he actually wrote, he actually tapped it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I know it's 20 years later. It's 20 years later, but it's... Yeah, but it's the right guy. Yeah, but it's...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
it's supposed to be three days later but he got 20 years older and i think um i have to use a few techniques that they've started to get really good with the cgi and yeah oh they can do amazing things now you can actually yeah get some of the same people by the time you film it'll be even better yeah when are you going to start filming i'm hoping uh Next year sometime.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
There's a lot required because it is, I'll just tell you this, it's an acid trip when we wrote it. It is like... I've never read anything like it. And my brother and I and Randall all sort of congregated on this. So there's some good heads put together, but there's some crazy stuff. And I think in order to really tell the story properly, you have to start with the fall of the angels, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Which is you're in another place. You're in another realm, right? You know, you need to go to hell. You need to go to Sheol.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Sure, you got to have, yeah. Right. You got to have his origin.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
This is a good question. And I think I have ideas about how to do that. And ideas about how to... Evoke things and emotions in people from the way you depict it and the way you shoot it. So I've been thinking about it for a long time. So it's not going to be easy and it's going to require a lot of planning. And I'm not wholly sure I can pull it off, to tell you the truth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's really super ambitious. But I'll take a crack at it. Because that's what you got to do, right? Walk up to the plate, right? So I think I can get it. But it's not about me. It's about something else. Well, if anybody can do it, you can do it. Well, I hope so. It's trying to find the way in that's not cheesy or obvious, but that actually it's almost like a magic trick in a sense.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's diversion. It's obfuscate this, show that. Look over here. Do you have a title? Yeah, it's just like the resurrection of the Christ. So that's a title. And yeah, it's... It's very ambitious. That's all I'll say. It took a long time to write. It's really ambitious, and it goes from the fall of the angels to the death of the last apostle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It personally ruined it. Well, it's the same team that was up in San Francisco. They came down to L.A. and they're doing what they did in San Francisco. Yeah. San Francisco is kind of like apocalyptic now, you know. Yeah. I went there and it's just like people, you know, homeless. You know, it's just it's a mess.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I don't have a start date. I just have to begin pre-production and see what happens. And it's just going to roll in its own time. It's taking its own time. I thought it was late. I thought, oh, it's taking too long. It's taking too long, but it's probably just right. It's when it's supposed to be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. I don't know. It's a massive thing. And theologically, it's something that you have to really look at and make correlations that... that ring true because it's not all written.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Oh yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, you know, there's your own, a thing that comes into it from having read the book a few times. You read the book a few times and, um, It's amazing how your memory, how there's these recessive files somewhere in the background, how you can correlate this piece to that piece over there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And that's important because juxtaposition is everything with this story and what it means in a bigger picture.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. And I don't know that you can do it in a foreign language because the concepts are too difficult now. So that you may have to resort to the vernacular so that that at least is clear. Is that up for debate right now with you? Yeah, it is. I'm thinking like, eh.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
But look, have you seen these apps now where they have this AI stuff where the guy's talking German and then he switches to French and Spanish and then Chinese? Yeah. Have you seen that? Yeah. And his mouth moves. It's the same voice. I mean, it's crazy what they do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Maybe, yeah. Aramaic is really the kick, isn't it? But, you know, I think I've written it in English, but I wrote the last one in English too and translated it. And then the people had to learn to speak it because I think there's only about 400 people that actually speak Aramaic still. Wow. And apparently they understood it. So I was happy about that. Wow. So that was good. Yeah. 400,000 people.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I've like preserved those 400 people. Yeah. Not many people speak in Latin still, but, but that's quite well known.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Mm hmm. It really is unbelievable. It doesn't take long.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
I'm blown away by where you got to with this, which is like – Didn't you start off just smoking a spliff on a couch with a guy?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. I read a book once by Jared Diamond called Collapse. Have you ever read that book? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy, right? It says all the things you need for a civilization to cave in and collapse. And a lot of the things are present. All those earmarks, the precursors of a collapse, they're present in our time. So it's an interesting observation. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Who's next? You get some pretty interesting people. Yeah. Yeah, I was amazed at that guy. I can't remember his name now. Terrence what he was all into.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Brilliant guy. Had a bunch of stuff going on. I was like, whoa.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And we're no smarter than our grandparents, I don't think.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
In fact, there's something because it's interesting. Somebody was flying by what they thought was a volcano in the 30s, some buzzboy. And he thought, hey, somebody built that. Wait a minute. There's four by eight foot bricks. That's man-made. And it is literally the biggest pyramid in the world. It's bigger than the ones in Egypt. And it's in Guatemala. Guatemala.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah, we talked about that the other day. It's a recent discovery, right? Well, not that recent. Maybe 20 years ago, I visited. I went down there with the archaeologist, the guy named Richard Hansen, who's from Idaho or someplace. And he's down there with his family. He's been working tirelessly for like 30 years. trying to extract this pre-classic city from the jungle.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
And there's not a bunch of tourists. All the pyramids in Tikal would fit inside the one big pyramid in El Mirador.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
It's a monster. And so that tells you that the pre-classic civilization was bigger and grander and more sophisticated than the civilizations that came after it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2254 - Mel Gibson
Yeah. Disease. Yeah. Disease. I don't know if it was disease or what. I think the people were pretty dissatisfied. It would have been hard for Cortez with his limited numbers to actually take over a civilization like that unless they kind of happened upon a civilization that was pretty dissatisfied with the way things were going. So I think they had people to help them sort of rebel.