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Chapter 1: Who is Dr. Zahi Hawass and what are his contributions to Egyptology?
No, it's up to you to decide. It's up to you. I'll talk to you forever. I have so many questions. I'm very excited to meet you. Same. I've seen you in documentaries for decades. So many documentaries. I've watched so many things about Egypt. I'm completely fascinated by it.
Chapter 2: What challenges did Dr. Zahi Hawass face from skeptics like Art Bell?
You know, I will tell you something. Do you know this guy used to do a radio show late evening? Art Bell?
The best. He was the best.
I need to say this on air. I need to say this story on air. Okay. Now, are we on air now?
Yeah, we're on air.
Art Bell used everything to attack me. He attacked you? Yes. Oh. How the Egyptian can move stones. Oh. That's not true. The Egyptians cannot do that. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Then I was teaching at UCLA and he called me for an interview. I said, no, I'm not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in Egypt. And he said, okay. He came with his wife.
I took him to a quarry that we are cutting stones to construct the Sphinx. Then I brought a stone, eight tons weight stone. and I brought a man on the age of 70, and I told this man, cut this stone. The old man stood above the stone. You know, stones has weak parts like us. With a pencil, he draw a line from the beginning to the end.
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Chapter 3: How were the Great Pyramids of Giza constructed according to Dr. Hawass?
In the middle, he put a piece of iron, pump, pump, he cut it for twice. I said art, the Egyptian, doesn't use muscles. They use their brain because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation. If you go today, if I take you today with me, and, you know, I always tell people this. I give lectures maybe three, four times a week for American groups, and I tell them the following.
If you stood in front of the Great Pyramid and you look at it, you will never believe that this pyramid built by human beings. Why? Because you don't know. And number two, if you try to do it today, you will never be able to do it. Are you going to hire today 10,000 workmen to work for 28 years for nothing? That was the national project of the whole nation.
I think Art Bell's real concern was how would someone possibly move those stones 4,500 years ago? Okay. A lot of questions, right? Yes.
But can I answer you now?
Yes, please.
Listen. Two examples I will tell you. The first example happened a few years ago. I discovered a tomb in a site called Abu Sir. In the top of the tomb, There was a huge granite sarcophagus, 20 tons weight. Okay? Okay. If you come to Egypt, have you been to Egypt? No, I haven't. You have to. If you talk about Egypt. No, I have to. You have to come. I know. But you have to tell me before you come.
I will tell you. Now. I promise. I brought only 10 people because I called the minister of culture. And I told them, we found an intact two. And the minister said, wait, I will bring the reporter, the press, and we'll do it live. I said, okay. But I hate to do anything live. Then I came to the site. I brought my workmen. Ten workmen only moved the 20 tons of Only by wooden sledges.
We found underneath another sarcophagus, 10 tons weight of granite. We took the third one and we found underneath another, a third one, five tons weight. We took the five tons out and we found underneath a coffin with the mummy. And I told the workman, put everything back. And I called the minister. I said, you can bring the press. We'll open it live. I never told him that I cheated him.
But only in a site that I'm excavating right now, we do discover 60 feet under the ground, we discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid is about 10 tons wet. Two workmen only opened the lid for me. We have a machine called the devil. I don't know why they called it the devil. Devil? Devil. Why? I don't know. I asked them. They said our grandfathers called it like that. This is an ancient machine?
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Chapter 4: What new discoveries have been made about the Pyramid of Khufu?
Do you write an affluent tools? Because in the old kingdom, there was no iron.
Are these photos of these tools available online? Can we look at them?
Yeah, I can send it to you. Are they online? No, in my book, Giza and the Pyramids. I don't know if it's online. I'm sure it's online.
Jamie will find it. So these tools were flint and durite. What is durite?
Durite, D-I-O-R-I-T-E. Durite is more sharp stone than iron. And it came from a quarry south of Aswan.
So you feel like they used this very hard stone to cut into the ground.
And I will come back to this, cutting the stones. But let me continue about the workmen. To the east of the tombs, we found an area for sorting salted fish. We found an area for the bakery, making bread. We found the workmen barracks. for the workmen who moved the stones to live. We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans.
And we discovered thousands of animal bones because people always say that the workmen who built the pyramid, they ate only garlic and bread and drink beer. And I thought if they do that, they will die. But now we discovered that they slaughter 11 cows and 33 goats every day. And this can feed 10,000 workmen a day.
Then we believe now, and I published, that the workmen who built the pyramids were 10,000 workmen. And they worked every day. And they took one day off every 10 days. Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was a national project. The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for the king to be a god.
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Chapter 5: How did ancient Egyptians transport massive stones?
So there should be a photograph of them in the museum.
Okay.
What would Jamie look for?
But I don't know.
I'm just like asking him.
Now, I want to come to... What museum would have them? Cairo Museum.
Cairo Museum would have those tools?
Yes.
Okay.
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Chapter 6: What recent breakthroughs have been made in pyramid exploration?
How long do you think he reigned for?
28 years. I published an article. I published an article about, you can find this article.
Why was the age 23, 23 years, why was that attributed to them? Now, this is a good question. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. It's important that you take care of yourself physically and mentally, because if you refuse to get help, you're not just hurting yourself, you're hurting the people around you. It can impact your family, friends, even your colleagues.
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Egyptologists has a problem when they count the name of the king. Because when the ancient Egyptians counted the cattle, they counted the name of the king. Sometimes they count the cattle every year. Sometimes they counted the cattle every two years. Then we make mistakes. But now we have year 27 of Kofi's reign.
And we have on the second boat bed that the Japanese are restoring now, we know when the king died, his son buried him. Then Kufu's son, his name is Jerry Frey, who did not respect his father. And I will tell you why. He buried his father in year 28. Then we know now for sure that Kufu ruled for 28 years. Now, Miller said something that made me very happy.
Because 25 years ago, I wrote an article to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt. I said that the king ruled Egypt from the pyramid. If the pyramid is in Abrawash, the king ruled Egypt from Abrawash. If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abusir, Saqqara. Then Meir said something many people did not believe me when I wrote this article. But Miller said Khufu lived in his palace at Giza.
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Chapter 7: How does Dr. Zahi Hawass plan to share his findings with the world?
to the northern tunnel that was bending. We found out it's bending north and south for 24 feet. And the reason for the bending was to avoid the Grand Gallery. At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door with two cover handles in the same distance of this one. And these doors are very small, right? Very small, 20 by 20 centimeters. Okay. Now...
I spent most of my life from 2002 until 2024 last year. I found a team from England and we worked last year for three seasons. Number one, I found out above the Kingy Chimper, a big void. I'm sorry, above the Grand Gallery. This void, the size of two trucks. Now, the second void, behind the Northern Tunnel, another small void. Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic descriptions.
Really? So those are the only hieroglyphics on the Great Pyramid, right?
And I can show you the footage. Do you have the footage here? If you can come to my lecture in Houston.
What about right here, right now? I can send it to you. Where do you have it? Do you have it on you? In my computer. Where's your computer?
In Las Vegas.
Oh, well, fuck. But I can send it to you. Yeah, but I want to show it on the show. Show it in the show.
I can send it to you tomorrow.
Okay. You can send it tomorrow? Yes. Okay. We'll splice it in, folks. Then tomorrow, I will send it to you. Please do. Okay. I'll give you my email. I'll give you Jamie's email.
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