Zahi Hawass
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1,500 decorated blocks, the most beautiful scenes I've ever seen in my life with the color. And this is the first time that we do have a final program of the decoration of a temple dated to the 18th dynasty.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Oh, okay. The second. I've heard aliens. Okay, the second, aliens. If aliens build the pyramids. Mm-hmm. Do they leave any? Do they shit sometimes? Aren't they going to shit? Maybe aliens don't shit. If they don't shit, are they going to leave something on the ground? On the contrary, I give you the evidence, every evidence that I will tell you today of actual workers and what's happening.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, we come about building the pyramid. All the stones I told you came from Giza Plateau. We found out what happened first. They cut in the solid rock. And they made the base of the pyramid to be 28 feet on the solid rock. No stones. Do you get this? Yes. We have in Egypt 120 pyramids. We don't have only Kofu pyramid that everyone is talking about. You have 120 pyramids. This is one of them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In the middle, he put a piece of iron, pump, pump, he cut it for twice. I said art, the Egyptian, doesn't use muscles. They use their brain because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation. If you go today, if I take you today with me, and, you know, I always tell people this. I give lectures maybe three, four times a week for American groups, and I tell them the following.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But the reason that this pyramid is so accurate and strong, because Giza Plateau is the only site in Egypt of the pyramids. It's a part of the Mokattam formation. It has three levels. level one and two are very, very stones. But level three is the top quality of the stones. Then the Egyptian uses stone to build the pyramid.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then after they make the base of the pyramid to be 20 feet eight of stone, we found out 1,000 feet away, we found out the quarry location.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Only. Only the stones... The stones that came from outside are the casing stones. And I will talk about this later. That came from Torah. And the granite came from Aswan. And the casing stones were the outside smooth surface. Exactly. It came from Torah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then now when we discovered the quarry location and the base of the pyramid, we thought how they established the ramp. Okay. You know the ramp? To move the stones. We found out if the Egyptian will make the ramp from the quarry to the base, it will never happen. Because when you raise the base, you need to extend the ramp.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We found out, listen to this carefully, that the only way to have a permanent ramp is to come to the southwest corner of the main pyramid. They built the ramp like this. Okay. And I excavated, and these are photos in my book, Giza and the Pyramids. I excavated from here to here. When the Egyptians construct a ramp, when they finish building the pyramid, they demolish the ramp.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
They cannot demolish all of it. They have to leave something in the ground.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Do you get this? Yes. I excavated from here to here. I found in situ remains of the ram.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It's in my book, Giza and the Pyramids. Maybe look up from his book. Joe, these are the tombs of the pyramid builders.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And this is all what I discovered. This is my discovery of everything. Every piece of sand here tells us about the builder of the pyramid. But let me continue this. I will come to you The now let us let us if you go to my book, you'll find out that you I found here that you write and the Flint tools. Listen, the now I will come the stones for building the pyramid came from the plateau.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
The casing came from Torah. Now we come to how how many years Kufr ruled. So there is one big discovery happened few years ago. Are these the tools? No, no. This is tools for artists. The tools in our book, which is big, do you write tools? And big Flint tools. Big ones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
If you stood in front of the Great Pyramid and you look at it, you will never believe that this pyramid built by human beings. Why? Because you don't know. And number two, if you try to do it today, you will never be able to do it. Are you going to hire today 10,000 workmen to work for 28 years for nothing? That was the national project of the whole nation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It's not. It's because it's everywhere. It's not only in the workman only. It's in every site. You have these tools in many sites.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I ask the people online, but they are in, remains in my book. Are they in a museum somewhere? There is some in the Kerry Museum, yes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, I want to come to... What museum would have them? Cairo Museum.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, a few years ago, a major discovery happened for the first time. It is the first time that we have written evidence about building the pyramid of Kufu.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Do you want to know what's in this papyri? I do. This papyri was found in Sinai in a port that belongs to Kufu. And inside this port, there were caves. And inside the caves found remains of both and this big papyri. Large, huge.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Exactly. Okay. And what does this say? Now. First of all, how old is that? 4,600 years ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No. Papyrus was of papyrus from the papyri. Right. What is it? The papyri is just like leaves. Okay. Now, but listen to the papyri. It is a diary. of an overseer of the workmen, his name is Merer, M-E-R-E-R. Okay? Merer is saying, I am Sahaj, in hieroglyphic, means inspector. Under me, working 40 workmen. I was hired by Kufu to work in his pyramid. This is in hieroglyphic. Mm-hmm.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And he said, my immediate boss, his name is Diddy. Like P. Diddy? Diddy, yes. Now, 20 years ago, in my excavation, west of the Great Pyramid of Kofu, I discovered 20 tombs. Are these the tools? No, no. No, this is the tools. No, no. The tools are really sharp type of big tools. We found some of them. What is that Jamie's looking at? What are these?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
This could be the tombs in the left is like them. In the left here. Those tools? No, no, no, no. More. No doubt. No. Where? Where? You know, I have that is to that is more to the left, to the left, to the left, to the left. No, I mean, what?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
What are you talking about? The second one after this? That's it up. That's it. And this one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
That looks like the heads of these things. But this one's the smalls. I'm talking about big ones. So that's... These are tools for making statues and things like that, but not cutting the stones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But let me talk about... The papyri. Okay. Because this many people doesn't know about this. Okay. Then Miller said, my boss's name is Didi. 20 years ago, I excavated west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu. I found 20 tombs, beautiful ones. I published all of them, except one small tomb I said is not important. Three years ago, I found this is the tomb of Didi. the person that he was the boss of Meir.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And I published this tomb. You can find this tomb online now. It's called Didi's Tomb by Zahi Hawass, west of the Great Pyramid of Kufu. Now, listen, Joe. What Meir said, I took my workmen. This is hieroglyphic. We went to Torah to cut the white, fine limestone. This sentence means... that the pyramid was finished. And Meir went to bring the stones for the casing. And he said, I'm not alone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
There is many other gangs are cutting the stones. And Torah is in north and south. And he said, I divided my gangs to three gangs. One gang to cut the stones. And one gang is smoothing the stones. And smoothing the stones, with the right tools to face the stones for the casing. And after that, he said, and the third group moving the stones in wooden sledges. This is all in the papyri.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In the papyri, to a cargo boat. What happened in the Old Kingdom? We have evidence that the River Nile The Egyptian cut to the west of this river Nile, another Nile, to be near the pyramid. From this Nile, they cut a canal. At the end of the canal, there is a harbor in front of every pyramid. I discovered in my excavation, in front of Kufu pyramid, there is a village called Naslit Samman.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In this village, The people were building houses. Underneath the houses, we found basalt walls. I stopped the construction of the houses, and I excavated the whole area. I found this is the harbor of Kufu, and I published this in an article. And I excavated in front of the Sphinx Temple, and I found the harbor of Kifrin, and it's published.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Listen. Two examples I will tell you. The first example happened a few years ago. I discovered a tomb in a site called Abu Sir. In the top of the tomb, There was a huge granite sarcophagus, 20 tons weight. Okay? Okay. If you come to Egypt, have you been to Egypt? No, I haven't. You have to. If you talk about Egypt. No, I have to. You have to come. I know. But you have to tell me before you come.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, the reason for the canal and the harbor to bring non-local stones, granite from Aswan, alabaster from Middle Egypt, durite from Nubia, basalt from Fayyum, white limestone from Tora.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No, after you finish building the pyramid. Right. There is two important things when they finish building the pyramid. I discovered in a site called Abu Sir. I discovered two scenes. One scene, workmen dragging a capstone. Above the capstone is a hieroglyphic word called Jaim.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Find out. I don't know if it's internet or not. What would Jamie look for? Look for Zahi Hawass' discovery in Abu Seir.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
A lot, of course. Everything, right? Everything. And this is why what I'm telling you based, I have been excavating in Giza, Joe, for the last 57 years. I know every piece of sand in the site. And I want to tell you one thing also. I am the only Egyptologist who have an open mind. You're the only one? Yes. I always look at what the public say. And I will tell you about this later.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I will tell you what I found in the pyramid. But let me finish this story. And after that, I will come back to tell you how I look at what people say. And I try to investigate this. Now, Meir said, I put the stones on a cargo boat. Okay. And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau. the workman took the stones up to the pyramid. We slept overnight at Giza.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I got up early in the morning with my workman, wanted to Torah. He made many times talking about that. Then he said, I went to Sinai to bring copper and turquoise. But he said in Sinai, our big boss, his name is Ankaf. We know from text that that the architect who designed the Great Pyramid, who was Khufu's cousin, his name was Ham Iyuno.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then actually, it seems now that Ham Iyuno died and Ankaf completed the Great Pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son, Kefrin. Then he said, I'm working in year 27 of Khufu's reign. He mentioned that Khufu was alive. In year 27.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
28 years. I published an article. I published an article about, you can find this article.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Egyptologists has a problem when they count the name of the king. Because when the ancient Egyptians counted the cattle, they counted the name of the king. Sometimes they count the cattle every year. Sometimes they counted the cattle every two years. Then we make mistakes. But now we have year 27 of Kofi's reign.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And we have on the second boat bed that the Japanese are restoring now, we know when the king died, his son buried him. Then Kufu's son, his name is Jerry Frey, who did not respect his father. And I will tell you why. He buried his father in year 28. Then we know now for sure that Kufu ruled for 28 years. Now, Miller said something that made me very happy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I will tell you. Now. I promise. I brought only 10 people because I called the minister of culture. And I told them, we found an intact two. And the minister said, wait, I will bring the reporter, the press, and we'll do it live. I said, okay. But I hate to do anything live. Then I came to the site. I brought my workmen. Ten workmen only moved the 20 tons of Only by wooden sledges.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Because 25 years ago, I wrote an article to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt. I said that the king ruled Egypt from the pyramid. If the pyramid is in Abrawash, the king ruled Egypt from Abrawash. If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abusir, Saqqara. Then Meir said something many people did not believe me when I wrote this article. But Miller said Khufu lived in his palace at Giza.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
If he lived in a palace at Giza, means with the royal family, the public and the government. And he said that the area that Khufu lived in it, in the pyramid called Ankh Khufu, in hieroglyphic, means Khufu lives. This is the name of the city that Khufu lived in it. And Miller said, we came to Giza in an area in hieroglyphic called Rashe. And Rashe means literally mouth of the lake.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
This could be the entrance of Giza Plateau. But what's really strange, he said, it took me almost one day for me and my workmen to come to the pyramid. Why? Because Giza entrance was busy. Every stone coming in has to be counted. Every workman has to sign the first letter of his name. And this is why if you go today to the Port of New York, it will take you five hours to enter because it's busy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And this is what happened at Giza Plateau. This papyri, in my opinion, is really one of the most important discoveries that tells us for the first time about building the pyramid. And now... We come to the reign of Kofu 28 years and now the stones of the Great Pyramid. I looked everywhere to find out how they counted the stones that people said it's 2 million and 300 salsa blocks, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I found no evidence. It's only when the Arabs came. You know, all the theories that the New Age people say now, it came from the Arabs. When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they said all this nonsense stories about the pyramids. Then I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But now we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high of solid rock, no stones. In 2010, I brought a team of scientists from every field, and we recounted the stones based on the new evidence, and we found out that the stones of the pyramid are only no more than 1 million. And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to two and a half tons.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No, I want to come to when you told me about this capstone, because we did not complete the capstone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Because of the new discovery that we found that the base is made of the solid rock. So before they thought the base was individual stones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Every king in Egypt is buried underneath the pyramid. Every king except Kufu and his father Senefro. The only two kings, they are not buried underneath, is Khufu and his father. If you look at the one chamber underneath, it was cut and built. If you go down, it's left unfinished. Left unfinished in what way? It was planned to cut it, but they did not complete it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You can see when you go down that the burial chamber is not finished. Why? Why? Because I found out in our research, every king is Horus on earth. When the king died, he become the sun god. Okay? Okay. Khufu, in year five, he said, I am the sun god. And he abandoned the construction of the first sun god. Barrier chamber. And he built his chamber within the pyramid because he's the god.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No. The first one. I'm going to come to this chamber later. Okay. And the second evidence that he called his pyramid Akhet Khufu means the horizon of Khufu. And the only one in the horizon is the sun god. And the third evidence is something... that only occurred at Giza, the Sphinx and its temple.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We found underneath another sarcophagus, 10 tons weight of granite. We took the third one and we found underneath another, a third one, five tons weight. We took the five tons out and we found underneath a coffin with the mummy. And I told the workman, put everything back. And I called the minister. I said, you can bring the press. We'll open it live. I never told him that I cheated him.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I found that the Sphinx represents Kephren, the son of Khufu, giving offering with his two bows to his father, the sun god Khufu, who rises and sits in this temple, the first sun temple. And this is why Khufu's pyramid is unique among the 120 pyramids. And I will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, Before I tell you about what I discovered, I have to complete the scene that I told you, that I found workmen dragging a capstone. You remember? You asked me that. We stopped on that. Above the capstone, there is a hieroglyphic word called Ja'im. And Ja'im means white and yellow gold. A second scene I found, ladies dancing.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
and they call them the henner and the henner are the dance troupe of the king. My interpretation of these two scenes, when the pyramid was finished, the king asked the workmen to put the cobblestone in the top of the pyramid. When they put the cobblestone in the top of the pyramid caged with gold, the whole country dance and sing because the king became a god.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
That's what I call the national project of the whole nation. The three millions who lived in Egypt in the time of the whole kingdom, all of them participated in building the pyramid to make the king as a god. This is your theory. Not a theory. No? It's fact. It is a fact.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It's not a theory. It's based on evidence. I found the scenes. The papyri. No, the papyri is something else. What are the scenes? It's blocks. Limestone blocks. One scene, working and dragging a capstone. with the word Jaim. Is this written in limestone blocks? Is this what you're saying? No, it shows the workman dragging a stone. Shows it where? In the stone that they discovered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
So it's carved into the stone. Exactly. And the word Jaim in hieroglyphic above that. Where is that at? It's an Abusir. I found it. But are there photographs online? Yes, in my book. I don't go online. Why do I have to go online? I go to my book. No, I understand. But for everybody else that doesn't have immediate access to your book. Did you find them online? It's called the Abusir Blocks.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It's I told you if you come today and see how the way to come and move 20 tons of granite you understand workers today. Yes today like yesterday the same workman Okay. Right. But now, Joe, if they're doing it today, they have access to modern machines. If you don't know, they don't know. It's everything based on the idea of the national project. They want to make this for the king.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You know, I will tell you something. Do you know this guy used to do a radio show late evening? Art Bell?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
This comes through the Nile. You can bring all the stones. But the quarries are in the mountains, right? No, the quarries, the granite quarries in Aswan, and we have cutting of the obelisks. and cutting of the stones and cut of everything in the site. And they brought in when the flood comes in July, they bring boats through the flood. They bring us out of the stones.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, if we now do not believe that this cannot be moved by human being, okay? But on the other side, what I can tell you, inside above these blocks, written the names of the gangs who built the pyramid above the king chamber. One of the names, friend of Khufu, I did a 3D few months ago and we recorded in the five chambers that has this huge blocks. We found two more names of the gangs.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But only in a site that I'm excavating right now, we do discover 60 feet under the ground, we discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid is about 10 tons wet. Two workmen only opened the lid for me. We have a machine called the devil. I don't know why they called it the devil. Devil? Devil. Why? I don't know. I asked them. They said our grandfathers called it like that. This is an ancient machine?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
One name called those who are connected with the goddess Wadjat. And written year 13 of Kofu's reign on the third chamber. I took Mr. Beast with me two months ago. I took him and I showed him how these blocks, they were written by the workmen before they moved these stones. And in the fourth... room, we have the good gut. Another name was year 13 of Kofu's reign.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You know, again, this is the most important thing. This is a national project. Oh, I understand. It was very valuable to them. I just wondered what technology was used.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
The huge wooden slidges. Huge wooden sledges. This is the only way that today we move huge stones. This is how my workmen moved 20 tons of sarcophagus in a tomb. How far did they move it? They moved it just a few feet away. But we have scenes of how workmen move 60 tons statue, how they move with their sledges. And they draw it.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Yeah. Then we have all this type of scene that the Egyptian So that again, this is the national project.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We have this in the tombs. It's wooden slidges. Yeah. But let me take you now. To what I began to reveal the secret of Kufu pyramid. Okay. As I told you again, I always listen to what people say and I try to prove them if they are right or not. I was interested in the Great Pyramid most of my life because I was an inspector of the pyramid, director. I spent most of my life there.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then I closed this pyramid for a year. to stop humidity. To stop humidity? Because every person... All the breathing? Exactly. The pyramid gives about 20 grams of water. And this water becomes salt. Then mechanically, I removed the salt. You had to clean the walls. Exactly. And after that, I thought, how can I make a ventilation system of the pyramid? In the king chamber,
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
and the Queenie chamber, you have this tunnel 20 by 20 centimeter only small tunnel, right? Then I thought I should clean this tunnels. Then I can make a ventilation system. I had no idea of what I'm going to find out. Would you find out that I hired a German robot and we took the German robot to the king chamber.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We are sitting in the king chamber with a TV screen and the robot entered in the shaft. We found out that the interior of the pyramid, the stones were interplugged. And this is why when the Arabs came to Egypt and they said, man feels time and time feels pyramids. Then we found out that this shaft went outside.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then we'll put the fan here and the fan suck the air and push it in the tunnel and we made a ventilation system in the parent.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
How they put the stones with each other. Okay. But now the most important, then I took the robot to the second chamber. Now we know that the tunnel in the first chamber are open outside. Open outside. I said, why we have these tunnels in the second chamber? They call it the queen chamber. Right. Then we took... the robot to the northern tunnel of the query chamber.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It is an ancient machine. Jamie could probably pull it up. It's probably online. Then they put this machine under the lid and they come back. doing like this and there is a little bit when the lid that it is laced they put a piece of wood another piece of wood until there is a half a feet that they can put right my face inside with the circle with a flashlight to see what's inside the coffin.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
After 60 feet, the robot stopped because the tunnel was bending to the left and the German robot could not bend. Then we took the robot to the south tunnel. The robot went for 200 feet, stopped in front of a door which took cover handles. That was the first discovery. Now, I began to think, how can I find out what's behind this door?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In 2002, I was chosen by the National Geographic as explorer in residence. There were nine explorers. With us was Bill Billard, who found Titanic. Each explorer had a dream. I told them, I need you to design a robot for me. I want to find out what's behind this door. And they did make a robot and they called it Pyramid Rover.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We took the Pyramid Rover and the robot went in the south tunnel and the robot had a drilling on his hand. The robot opened one hole one centimeter and one millimeter. And sent an optic camera through this hole. We found after 21 centimeter of this door, a second one. And the second one has an eggy shaped like that. As if it's hiding something. Then after that we went
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
to the northern tunnel that was bending. We found out it's bending north and south for 24 feet. And the reason for the bending was to avoid the Grand Gallery. At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door with two cover handles in the same distance of this one. And these doors are very small, right? Very small, 20 by 20 centimeters. Okay. Now...
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I spent most of my life from 2002 until 2024 last year. I found a team from England and we worked last year for three seasons. Number one, I found out above the Kingy Chimper, a big void. I'm sorry, above the Grand Gallery. This void, the size of two trucks. Now, the second void, behind the Northern Tunnel, another small void. Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic descriptions.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And I can show you the footage. Do you have the footage here? If you can come to my lecture in Houston.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Not Zawi. Zahi. Then now- Mr. Hawass. Then now, what we are going to do-
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No, there is in the five chambers I told you. Oh, in the other chambers? I told you in the five chambers, now we have five names of the Genghis who built the pyramids.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
How recent? This, Voigt's, as last year, 2024. The hieroglyphic discovery or three months ago.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But listen to me what I'm going to do. What are you going to do? There is a friend of mine, his name is Leslie Greif. Leslie is from Hollywood. He did with me many live TV shows and he did with me Chasing Mummies. And Leslie now is working to find a network To come, we need to do this program live.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
That's what we because the people today are the descendants of the ancient Egyptian There is a village located north of Luxor. And this village, all the people work in antiquities. And they know, if you look at their faces, exactly like the ancient Egyptian people. And all the people working with me. I'm excavating right now.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid, that we're not hiding anything. I want to show them the hieroglyphic. Why do you always feel like you're in battle with people?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Yes, but the signs are not clear. It's not clear? No. We need to do more investigation in September. Is it a difficulty in seeing inside there because it's dark? You know, because when the Egyptian write inside Egypt, The five chambers, for example, they don't write hieroglyphic. They write a cursive hieroglyphic. It's called the hieratic.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And this hieratic, Joe, it's very difficult to read from outside. What does that look like?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Exactly. Look at the one on the right. This is hieratic. Okay.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then, Joe, what we're going to do before the end of this year, we are going to show the What's inside this void? Life.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
They are signs. But what does it mean? Look. It looks like a device or something. The one down means sish for a determinant of a scribe. What is the one that has cursive?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Because hieratic is very cursive. I understand, but I think this is showing that, right? I know, but we... If you look at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow, it's very difficult to read. But you can see they are hieratic, cursive signs. Got it. But the most important that we are going to show this live. Oh, wow. Okay.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
So people don't even know and you're going to show all this stuff live. We will do it live. But the other thing, we have another team called Scan Pyramids Team. They are scientists from Japan, France, and Egypt. I am the scientific director who really, if they discover something, they come to me. I have to discuss it with them. And they found. You know the pyramid?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You have the entrance that the people use now. is the entrance that the Arabs opened. That's in the north face, correct? Exactly. Above that is the main chamber. Okay. The team are using very sophisticated techniques like ultrasound, infrared. With these techniques, you do not need any more to drill. You can really see what's behind the door. And this is really what I'm using right now.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In Giza, we're going to tell you good news inside the great pyramid that we found. And also in Saqqara and Luxor. And this is why in my lecture tour now, I'm making major important announcement that we'll talk about it with you today.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then they came to me and they said, behind the main entrance of the pyramid, there is a corridor. And they showed to me this corridor clear in the five techniques that they're using. But I told them, why I have to see it? Let's go up there. We went up there and they sent an optic camera through the stones.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And they found, I could look at the corridor, 30 feet long, 8 feet wide, topped with chevron shape. I think you can see that in the internet, the corridor behind the main entrance of the pyramid. Can you get it? It's in the internet, I'm sure.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I need to say this on air. I need to say this story on air. Okay. Now, are we on air now?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I have no idea. I'm just telling you what I found. This was a great pyramid. I did more work on the third pyramid with the same techniques and the second pyramid. This is the void. Can you see it? Wow, that's incredible. And I think, and bring the other big void above the Grand Gallery. I think you will see it also.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I will tell you about my theory. Please do. Okay. I think it's here.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
That's it. That's it. Yeah. The scanned pyramid project. Now, I tell you my theory. Please do. We have a story written in hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Kufu. It's after Kufu. The story it's written in a papyri is called Kufu and the Magician. It said that Kufu was staying in his palace and he was very upset. He was not happy. And his son came to him, your majesty, why are you unhappy?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
He said, I'm searching for the secret of the God of wisdom. Then I can design my burial chamber in the pyramid. Then his son told him, I know a magician. His name is Gidi. He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back. And he knows the secret of the Gattoth, the God of wisdom.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, you know, can I call you Joe? Please do. And you call me Zahi.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I understand that. That Gidi can do that. A lot of people can cut a guy's head off and put it back. But listen to the story. This is the story. Okay. Then the king told his son, bring this to me. Okay. They describe him as 100 years old and he drink 1,000 beer. Gidi came in front of the king. And Kufu told him, I heard that you can cut the head of a man off. He said, yes, your majesty.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
He said, do it. He said, Gidi said, I cannot do it to the human being. He said, okay, I will bring you a prisoner. Gideon said, a prisoner is a human being. Then he told, he brought him a goose. He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone. And the head came back and the goose was running in front of everyone. That's written in the story. Do you believe that?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I come back to what's believed that now. Okay. And the king told him, I want to know the secret of the Gad Toth to design my burial chamber. He told him that this secret will not be in your hand. It will be in the hand of another people who rule Egypt. Kufu was very upset.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, you know, I do receive fan emails. You've received emails? Fan. Fan emails. About 50 a week. Some of them bad ones. Some people think that I discovered evidence to prove that pyramids built by aliens or lost civilization and I hide them. I never answer these questions. But to you, I tell you, how do I, how can I hide anything? I'm not working alone. I'm working with people.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then the king was unhappy. He told them, don't worry, your majesty, because you will rule and your sons and your grandson. Now about magic.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Okay. Do you know about Judaism? Sure. When God told Moses, when Moses met God and God told him to go to Egypt to meet the Pharaoh. Right. And God told him, remember, the Pharaohs are highly in magic. Right. They will beat you. Then God taught Moses how to be more in magic than the Pharaoh. And you remember when he had the stick and the stick became a snake, I think.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And Moses brought more snakes to swollen what the Pharaoh did. Then we know from books, from Judaism from the beginning that the ancient Egyptians were really highly in magic. Then we can believe.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, what really I want to tell you now. Well, that person's magic too. Maybe that person can make us a pyramid. What I want to show you that I'm not a person. What do you think magic is? Magic is magic. What do you mean magic is? Well, how does it work? I have no idea.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But still also, you know, because I will tell you. Why would not have any evidence about Khufu, temples and things like that? Because what happened? The ancient Egyptians believed that a pharaoh should be a male. A pharaoh cannot be a female. Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hit him. Hatshepsut, when she became a Pharaoh, they hated her and they destroyed her monuments.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Khufu, when he changed his cult to be a sun god, in the first intermediate period, they destroyed his monuments, the temples, the statues. The only statue of that king was found in Upper Egypt, not at Giza. Even in the temple of his sons, there were 23 statues. They smashed the statues. Smashing was a sign of revenge. Now, do you have any question about Khufu pyramid before I switch to the Sphinx?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I investigated this. First of all, these two scholars from Italy, they have never been in Egypt. They have never worked in the pyramids before.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
They're using satellite information. Number two. They published their article in a journal. This journal do not send their article to the freeze. You pay a fee to publish the article in your responsibility. Okay. Number three, I am not a scientist.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I took this techniques that they used and I give it to expertise and they said this techniques cannot show underneath a solid rock of almost 600 feet down. No way.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No. No. This is wrong. This is not true at all. I can tell you how I found it. How can I find it?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You cannot hide anything because people will see you. And I will tell you a joke. It happened, but it's a joke. A reporter came to see me from California to my office, and my office was located next to the Great Pyramid of Kufu. And he said to me, people say at 12 noon, you leave your office and you go to the bathroom and you open a tunnel from your bathroom. That's what he said.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, these techniques, as I told you, scientists said that these techniques cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid. The Osiris shaft that they found was only 50 feet under the ground.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Because the scientists are scientists. Well, these are scientists as well. They are not showing their techniques carefully. They have not. What do you mean they're not showing their techniques carefully? Take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist. No one. No one can tell you this is accurate.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I ask every person who knows about radar, ultrasound, all the people who work with me, the scan pyramid project, they say this is bullshit. It cannot happen at all. Now, tell me.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No, not me. So you're just listening to other people.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Have you talked to these scientists that are saying that they have these discoveries? I sent, I made a press release. But did you talk to them? I did not. Why not? Because they did not talk to me. How can I find them? Would you be willing to talk to them? Of course I am. If I can connect you to them? Yes, do.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Art Bell used everything to attack me. He attacked you? Yes. Oh. How the Egyptian can move stones. Oh. That's not true. The Egyptians cannot do that. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Then I was teaching at UCLA and he called me for an interview. I said, no, I'm not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in Egypt. And he said, okay. He came with his wife.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Joe, the Osiris shaft is true? No. It's not. The Osiris shaft is known to everyone. Right. It can be seen by anyone.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, again, I'm not a scientist. Right. So why are you dismissing it, though? I gave what they published to our scientists, and they said this is not true. Okay, but scientists are wrong all the time, particularly ones that are biased, correct? Then what I did, I made a brief release explaining my point. And I said, my work
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of the second pyramid that the base of the pyramid is 28 feet of solid rock. And there is no way that anything can be happened in the solid rock. And I explained... I think what they're saying is it's underneath the solid rock, correct? Let me finish. And I said, your techniques that you published in this magazine is not refried by scientists. You just published it. And number three,
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
The team that's working in Giza with all these new techniques, they said... This is wrong. And they know.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
They said this technology cannot work, cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid at all. This is what they said. And that's why if the Italians were confident, they could contact me. I'm the pyramid expert that anyone should... Well, we'll make sure that happens.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
The Osiris shaft is open. It's not covered to see. I understand. You can go and you see the Osiris shaft down.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I am not a scientist. I understand, but this is my question. I ask it all the expertise.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And you go from the tunnel to the Great Pyramid, and you hide things, and you come back. I said, okay, what do you need from me now? He said, I want to see your bathroom. This really happened. He went to my bathroom. Did he check all the panels? And he came back. Have you seen any tunnels in my bathroom? He said, no. I said, what are you going to do now?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I told you I am not this type knows about the science. I consulted scientists. The team, the top in the world from Japan, France, and Egypt. Who are these people? They are the Scam Pyramid team. Okay. The Scam Pyramid. Yeah. The ones that found the chamber above. And they are working with me. And we found many other things in the second pyramid and the third pyramid. And we published this.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We just published an article last week. Using different techniques, right? Then what I am saying, if these techniques, that these two Italians are correct... The only people who really can tell you it's correct or not are the scan pyramid people, not me.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But they know about technology. They are the top scientists in the world. I have to believe them, not the two Italians. And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us, not me. To talk to me and others.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
To do this belief of the afterlife, to build a pyramid, as I told you, this was a national project.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You can talk about this pyramid if it exists alone. When you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that everything gradually. There is no gap that you can... What do you mean by that? There is no gap for anyone to think something different than the belief of the Egyptians.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
He said, I will publish your bathroom in the Internet. And therefore, if you want to see my bathroom, write www.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
That's why I want to really, I want, since you are interested in Egypt, We would like to invite you to company. I want to come I just it's for me. We are willing to invite you. I won't go Okay, tell me when okay, and I will arrange everything. Okay, we'll hook it up But now I want to come to the Sphinx also, okay, can we talk about yes, please now, you know when I was young I
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I was met by the Edgar Cayce son. The psychic guy. Julian Cayce. Yeah. And Julian Cayce was the son of Edgar Cayce. I was young. I really didn't know what this Cayce had. When he came to Egypt and talked about me, about his father, You know about Edgar Cayce.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Underneath the right paw of the Sphinx, there is a chamber. And he envisioned that, correct? Yes. And this is why I'm going to Virginia Beach to give a talk. One of the cities in my tour now is Virginia Beach. Why? Because when people... began to tell me there is something inside the Sphinx. I really, as I told you, I have an open mind and I did search. I found inside the Sphinx four tunnels.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
One behind the stela. They call it dreamy stela between the two boards of the Sphinx. And the second one Behind the head, in the top.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It's not a door, no. A lid? It's just a tunnel going down. Okay, but it's closed off. You cannot go up to the Sphinx. That's why we have to cover it because it will take rubbish and guts. Well, that's the top. That's what I'm talking about. Isn't that the top of it? Is this the Sphinx? Yes, that's it.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Okay, yeah. But we covered it to protect it from the sand. I understand. But it's not a door. Okay, it's a lid. The third tunnel that I found in the back.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I know, but I'm going to come to this now. But I'm talking to you about the tunnels now. And the third one is in the tail. The fourth one was opened in 1927 by a French, his name is Monsieur Perez. And I do have photos of workmen inside the Sphinx. We found this four tunnels are published. An article, scientific article. I found in situ in all the four tunnels
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of pottery in situ to prove that these tunnels were opened on Dynasty 25, 500 BC as in the late period when the Egyptians saw the Sphinx, they thought there is something hidden underneath and they dug and they found nothing. Now we come to the Edgar Cayce and what people believe because we had
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
John Anthony West, and we had many new age people who believe there is something hidden underneath the Sphinx. And they used to tell me, we need your permission. To what? To drill. I said, how can I let someone who's not an archaeologist, who's not a scientist, to drill? No way. But recently, I found out the rise of the water table in front of the Sphinx.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And I was really afraid that the water could damage the Sphinx. Then I brought a team from Cairo University, and we did drill 30 to 35 feet underneath the Sphinx, everywhere. And I do have photos. of everywhere under the Sphinx. The Sphinx is a solid rock or a living rock, and there is nothing underneath.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
When Shock said that, okay, we brought through the American Research Center, a scientist from Louisville University. I don't remember his name now. And we gave him what Robert Schock. You know what Robert Schock said? It's not a theory. It's a theory of a new age guy who talked about this before. And John Anton West brought Schock. I don't remember who.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then we gave this guy from Louisville University, who was an Indian American, who really studied. He came to the Sphinx and he worked with us for a season. And he came and we published many articles that the erosion that you see outside and inside the Sphinx is from wind and not from water. Now, What shock want to say that this is dated back 15,000 years ago? I agree. Okay.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
If I came here and I dug the Sphinx, I will leave something. Then what I did, we dug an area northeast of the Sphinx. I found level Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom, Roman, nothing underneath. In this new age, people say that the head of the Sphinx is very small comparing to the body. Yes, why? If you take all the casing stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find exactly here, the Sphinx.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
and now this and another part like this. In between, there is a hollow. Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau is divided to three levels. Level one and two is very bad stones. Can be seen to the chest of the Sphinx. Level three, they carved the head from level three. Then when the Egyptian carved the head to represent the King Kephren,
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
with the cobra, the royal head Remus, they began to make an alloying body. Then what they did, they filled this hollow.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
between the two six pieces with the stones and they covered the whole body of the things was a stones and they did the modeling of the law in body on the covering stones and this why the head is very small comparing so you think the head was made first and then the body was made later exactly that's the case.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
The Egyptians wanted to... make a lion body. They couldn't. The only way is to cover the body of stones and do the modeling of the lion body on the covering stones. Can we take two minutes rest? Yeah, sure. Want to take a break? Yes. Okay.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
This is not true. It's not true? No. This is a speculation from people who knows nothing. about history. There is nothing King List dated back 30,000 years ago at all. So why do people keep saying that? Because they don't know. It's speculation. Give me one evidence of that. The first King List dated back to Dynasty 5.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
This is not true. There is no at all a name that you told me. I never heard of this name. I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt for the last 57 years. I never heard of this king list at all. Never? Never. You never even heard of it? Why I have to hear about it? Because it's not true. I don't want to waste my time in things like this. I am a person. Give me a fact. Tell me, what is this list?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Listen, Joel, why do I have to go to a myth of people creating stories?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I don't care about Wikipedia. I understand. I care about what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist or a philologist.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But I mean, I just found it online. It's a new age theory. It's new age? Yes. Listen to me. I know. And any Egyptologist who study Egyptology in the States here, you have universities in UCLA and you have Berkeley and you have John Hopkins and you have everything. There is no every Egyptologist here study languages and archaeology. No one can study. answer what you're talking about.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
This is hallucination. I'm sorry. This is not true. It's a speculation from people, but never in Egypt. We know the prehistory of Egypt. We know the pre-dynastic of Egypt. We know the beginning of civilization. We know every there is no gap in anything that can let some things like that and that's why I never heard of it and I don't want to hear about it. You don't want to hear about it? No, why?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Because there is no evidence. I am a scientist. I believe on what's written in front of me and I believe of a scene that I can see, but I don't believe on theories like this. Tell me where it is found and where it is and who published it. What is the scientist who published it? What is the Egyptologist who talked about it?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I know, but it's not true. I received many theories every day. My mind, Joe, now is really cannot stand all these theories, all of it. It's too much for me. It's too much for me.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I... How do you know? How do you know? How do you know? I found all the evidence of building the pyramid. We published a book, 1,000 pages. This book is a Bible of the pyramids of Giza Plateau.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Bufal is not a scientist. No, I'm just asking. Yeah, I know. Those people, when someone came to you with a theory, he has to have an Egyptian background. He has to write a scientific article. We write all what we discover. We write articles about them for people to read and criticize and give us opinion. But I can't go to theories like this that has no basis.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Why not? Carbon date 13 never given accurate dating. And this why I believe, you know, when you discover something, if you discover a symmetry, right, there is two type of datings, one called absolute dating. means that in this cemetery, you have a name of a king and a date, means this is absolute.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But if you discover another cemetery and has no dates, then the best thing that we do is to find the artifacts in this symmetry and try to compare it with other dated symmetry and you give a date for this.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I don't believe in carbon dot 14 at all and it's not working in Egypt until today. I have been excavating, I'm excavating also in the Vale of the Kings. And I discovered major important things that we can talk about. But I used radar in all my excavation. And I never had a result by radar. And carbon date 14, people use it when there is no date.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No, I use radar to discover things. Right. But what do you use to date them? Dating, as I told you, two methods of dating. Yeah. Most of the dating that for me now in Luxor is based on evidence. Like I discovered the Golden City. It's a major, big, large cemetery, large settlement, a city. And you know, this city was chosen because
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, what we found out, the major problem that people... think about pyramids because most of the information that's written on pyramids are wrong. Most of it? Most of it. In archaeology books? In archaeology books. Really? Except me and Mark Lehner. You guys are the only ones that have it right? Because I have been working in Gaza for the last 57 years of my life.
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the most important discovery in the world of year 2021, because this is the first time that we have a big, large city to tell us about the people who made this civilization. So how do you know how old the city is? Exactly. In the city, we discovered the names everywhere of King Amenhotep III, who was the father of Akhenaten. Inside the city, we found many statutes of his queen, Queen Ti.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We found inscriptions about dried meat stored to celebrate the third set festival of Amenhotep III. We found nine royal workshops in the city. Then the city tells us about the golden age of that king. It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic inscription, by many things.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It is, but I never used it. And many people, very rare, used it in Egypt. Because in Egypt, mainly, we have absolute chronology. We have absolute dating based on inscriptions.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No, that was an experiment to date the pyramid. I think it was about 2009. And it's not working. I didn't see the result.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
No. But the mortar, you can't. One thing. The mortar... between the stones. This mortar, like if you take a piece of stone from the pyramid and you try to take Kerbal 14, this piece of stone could be thousands of years in the quarry. It cannot date a pyramid. How can you date? Hold on, hold on. You don't date stone. I'm saying if you date mortar,
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
How can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to the same time of building the pyramid?
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Of the pyramid? Yes. No, of the Great Pyramid. There is no evidence of any restoration. No, never. Never any accurate evidence that the pyramid was restored in any period of the Egyptian history.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
make 10 years of restoration of the Sphinx. It's me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for 10 years. Why did you decide to do that? Because the Sphinx, when I left, I was studying in the States. I came to take my doctorate from University of Pennsylvania from 1980. From 80 to 87, some architect and archaeologist were really stupid.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
They began to restore the Sphinx and they took all the casing stones of the Sphinx out. And they put modern stones and they used cement. You cannot use cement in the restoration. You can use cement in building a house. Yeah, that's not even restoration. That's a new creation. When I came, I stopped this restoration. Okay. And because this restoration...
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damage completely the proportions of the Sphinx. It brings to you another Sphinx. Ugly. A few months later, there was a stone that was restored in the shoulder of the Sphinx and it fell down in February. It was raining. And always people use The Sphinx for politics. The Sphinx? For politics? Yeah. I tell you, it happened the first time in the Pharaonic period.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You know, the area beside the Sphinx was called the Valley of Gazelles. And the princess of the new kingdom used to come to hunt wild animals in the valley and come to worship the Sphinx. And this story that I'm telling you is written in a granite stela. It's called the dream stela, located now between the two poles of the Sphinx.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In the stela, it say that Thutmose IV was a prince and he came to have a nap beside the Sphinx. And the Sphinx came to him in dream and told him, my son, If you remove the sand away, I will make you the king of Egypt. Then he moved the sand and he came to a temple. He found a door. What year was this? This is 3000 years ago. Exactly.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Yes. This is why Herodotus, the father of history, when he came to Egypt in the middle of the fifth century B.C., he never talked about the Sphinx because it's completely under the sand. Then when Thutmose the fourth came, he took the sand away and he found that the old kingdom casing blocks are falling down. He put them back. And he went to the Sphinx, a temple nearby.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
He took this granite stele as a door and he wrote this story in it. But we found there is something politics in that story. He killed his elder brother, who was supposed to be the king of Egypt. And he wrote this story to tell the Egyptian that, The God, Hor Im Akhet, Horus of the Horizon. It chose me to be the king of Egypt. Then they will forgive the crime that he did.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
For example, number one, they say that the workmen who built the pyramids worked only four months a year. When the flood covered the whole country, the king hired the workmen to work in his pyramid. This is wrong. And I will tell you what's correct. Number two, that the stones used in building the Great Pyramid came from Torah. And Torah is 25 miles to the east from Giza.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
When that stone, it fell down in 1988, a big fight happened between the head of antiquities and the menace of culture. Ended by firing the head of antiquities. It's politics. But I stayed 10 years. When people ask me about the best thing that I did in my life, I say two things. Number one, that I restored the Sphinx. I brought the proportion of the Sphinx back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the steep pyramid. It was falling down. In 14 years, I made major important conservation and restoration. And I tell people, why do I have to fight all the time about the age of the pyramid? We have to fight. We have to cooperate, all of us, to restore these monuments. And the most important thing for me always is conservation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And I dedicate most of my life not only to the excavation, but to conservation.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Look at the archaeologists. in Turkey or in any civilization. They never talk about old civilization.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But now I'm talking about the pyramids of Egypt. I have the evidence, the written We found everything about that. We know the dating. And I give you hundreds of evidence that this pyramid built by Khufu.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
What I'm saying is... Any civilization older than we know... Older and still in the same spot. How old does it go back?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
We have prehistoric Egypt. Right. And we have the Old Stone Age, Middle Stone Age, Neolithic, when the Egyptians began to know about agriculture. And they began to live together in communities. Then after that, we came to the pre-dynastic era.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And number three, that Kufu ruled for 23 years. And number four, that the stones of the Great Pyramid are 2,300,000 soldier blocks.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
When a king called Narmer in dynasty zero, he began to make unification of the upper and lower Asia until one king called Mena or Horaha who united completely. And what year was this? This is what was 3000 BC, 5000 years ago. In a place called Aparis, they built huge mud brick tombs. Huge. from mud brick, no stones. And these tombs are created in a site called Abiris.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Okay. Now I come back to the mud brick structure. This is in Dynasty 1 and 2. On Dynasty 3 came a king called Zoser. He had a genius architect. His name is Imhotep. I am searching Did you hear about Imhotep before? Yes. I'm searching for his tomb. Only two weeks ago, before I came, I made a major important discovery in Egypt.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I found a tomb of a son of a king inside incredible statues of Zosir and his father and his queens and his children. Where is this tomb? In the shadow of the steppe pyramid. In the shadow of Zosir. And this really made me, because I have been searching for the tomb of Imhotep most of my life. But the area that I found this tomb, it was under houses. Modern houses. Oh, wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, let us talk about number one, the workmen. The workmen. I found the tombs of the pyramid builders only one mile south of the Sphinx. A major important discovery that can tell everyone Number one, that pyramids built by Egyptians because of the names that we found inside the cemetery. And they were not slaves. Is that your phone? I have to. I have to. Yeah, kill that thing. Kill it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
The workmen who work in the site, 100 years ago, they built houses in the site. But they never excavated what's underneath the houses. Wow. So modern houses and underneath it is an ancient tomb. Six months ago, we gave houses to these people in another area and we demolished these houses. And we found underneath major discoveries. This discovery will be in today's show this week.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Now, I am sure now that Imhotep's tomb is in this area. Wow. Now I come back.
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#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I want you to come to see what I do and what I discovered. I want to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But can we continue... How it happened until you have the pyramids? Sure. Then Imhotep came and he built the same mastaba. Mastaba in Arabic means a bench. He built the construction in mud brick of stone for the first time. And he added more section to the first one. And he put above that five mastabas. It's called the Step Pyramid. So that's the first one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In the pyramid text, they say that the Step Pyramid is the stairs that the king is buried underneath to go to heaven.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But listen. Now, on Dynasty III, there is another pyramid was found. And only I found recently that I did not excavate it completely. I found a pyramid, which is the end of Dynasty III. of a king called Houni. Then now we came to Seneffro. His name is Houni? Houni, Houni. Houni, okay. H-U-N-I. Okay. Then we come to Dynasty IV, Seneffro. Okay. Seneffro had a genius architect.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
His name was Nefermaat. Then he started... Sounds like a good name for a genius. Yeah, he started to build a step pyramid like this in a site called Maidoum. But for a reason we do not know, he left it unfinished. And he went to a place called Dahshur. He built the pyramid with a huge angle. And he changed the angle. It became bent. And he built another pyramid.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
If you look at the other pyramid of the father of Kufu, it's exactly equal to the Great Pyramid. This is the first true pyramid, but people never go to the shore to look at this pyramid. People always look at Kufu. Then you have in dynasty four, the pyramids were huge because of the quality of the stones. In dynasty five and six, there is no good quality of stones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then the Egyptian made decrees on the volume of the stones. and did increase in the volume of the war reliefs. Temples began to be decorated with scenes for the first time. In the Middle Kingdom, another trend. Mud brick pyramid, but underneath maze corridors of stones that if you go down, you will lose your way. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
In the new kingdom, they came in the top of the Valley of the Kings, a shape of the pyramid, and they buried all the kings like King Tut and others underneath the pyramid shape.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
But give the email to Greg and Mustafa now. We will do that. And they are the people that will talk to them now to arrange for your trip. Okay. And I will invite you for a good- How many days do you think I should go? 10 days at least. Jamie, you got to come.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You're right. I always, because I do lots of interviews, I always close it. Oh, I get it. Except today. No worries.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Oh, there is a water table. This shaft... I came, I brought a company, and we did suck all the water out. Oh. Until I found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars. Oh, wow. And this is the symbolic burial of the god Osiris. Because Giza Plateau was called in the New Kingdom Per-Ozer-Neb-Rastau, the house of Osiris, lord of Rastau.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Rastau means cemetery, but literally means the underground tunnels. That Osiris is ruling. Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked about this water under the pyramid. It is in the shaft. And this one beast entered inside and swam in it. Okay. You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the younger people that pyramids were built by aliens. That's why I took him to three different sites.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens. when I talk to them that I'm coming to see you?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
You don't believe in aliens. You don't believe in carbon dating. I am a scientist. If you believe in something, write an article. Then I can read. But don't give me a theory. But the theory of planets containing intelligent life is... No, that's not true. I have been debating Graham Hancock and Ruben Bufal
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
and John Anthony West, and I told them from the beginning, your theory will go with the wind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Only us in the whole universe. If you believe in God. Us in the whole universe? Only us. If you believe in God. you will do miracles. The Egyptians believed in the afterlife, and they made this great civilization.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Away, one mile south of the pyramids. And by their names? Then I found names of the workmen. I found the lower cemetery. The lower cemetery were for the burial of the workmen who moved the stones. And the upper cemetery was for the technicians. Right. And how do you know this? I will tell you. Okay. Now, the tombs down there are very primitive tombs built from mud brick, cost nothing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
I took him to a quarry that we are cutting stones to construct the Sphinx. Then I brought a stone, eight tons weight stone. and I brought a man on the age of 70, and I told this man, cut this stone. The old man stood above the stone. You know, stones has weak parts like us. With a pencil, he draw a line from the beginning to the end.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Underneath is a skeleton. And if the skeleton is for a man, he's holding a beer jar. He wants to drink beer in the afterlife. If the skeleton is for a woman, she has perfume vessels. She wants to have perfume in the afterlife. Inside the upper cemetery, I found 21 titles in hieroglyphic. For example, the overseer in hieroglyphic of the side of the pyramid.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
It says that the overseer of the side of the pyramid. The overseer of the west side of the pyramid. Draftsmen, craftsmen, the one who stand in front of the harbor. All these titles had to do with building the pyramid. Inside the tombs, we found the tools that the Egyptian used to cut the stones.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Do you write an affluent tools? Because in the old kingdom, there was no iron.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Yeah, I can send it to you. Are they online? No, in my book, Giza and the Pyramids. I don't know if it's online. I'm sure it's online.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Durite, D-I-O-R-I-T-E. Durite is more sharp stone than iron. And it came from a quarry south of Aswan.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And I will come back to this, cutting the stones. But let me continue about the workmen. To the east of the tombs, we found an area for sorting salted fish. We found an area for the bakery, making bread. We found the workmen barracks. for the workmen who moved the stones to live. We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And we discovered thousands of animal bones because people always say that the workmen who built the pyramid, they ate only garlic and bread and drink beer. And I thought if they do that, they will die. But now we discovered that they slaughter 11 cows and 33 goats every day. And this can feed 10,000 workmen a day.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
Then we believe now, and I published, that the workmen who built the pyramids were 10,000 workmen. And they worked every day. And they took one day off every 10 days. Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was a national project. The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for the king to be a god.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And therefore, the households in the south and the north of Egypt participated in building the pyramid by sending workforce and food to help the king. Now we come to the second point, the stones. We discovered that all the stones of the three pyramids at Giza, the stones came from quarries in the site itself. Even the king's chamber? No, except the granite in the king's chamber.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
If I was working there, it would matter. No, because I shot you. I shot you. Not 50 tons. It's 20 tons. Now, what we found out, first, how the Egyptians built the pyramid. They make on the ground a square base. Okay?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass
And after that, they cut in the solid rock in the four sides. You know, I'm going to tell you one thing. Okay. If you tell me that pyramids built by giants, okay? I said, okay, come to the excavation. All the skeletons that you discover are five to six feet high. Nothing about giants.