Thomas Campbell is a physicist, consciousness researcher, and author of the "My Big TOE" trilogy. www.my-big-toe.com This episode is brought to you by Visible. New members can get the Visible plan for just $20/mo for 25 months. Switch by 1/31/2025 at http://Visible.com/ROGAN with promo code ROGAN. Terms apply. Take ownership of your health with AG1 and get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free Travel Packs with your first subscription. Go to drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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How are you, sir? I'm just fine, Joe. How are you today? I'm great. It's very nice to meet you. Yeah.
Well, it's great meeting you. I've been getting email over the last five years that says, hey, Tom, you need to be on the Joe Rogan Show. Tom, why haven't you been on the Joe Rogan Show? I get that. And I said, hey, guys, you just don't walk into the Joe Rogan Show and say, hey, here I am. I want to talk to Joe. You guys are going to have to write Joe and see if you can't – Get him to invite me.
Well, something happened. Either one of those got to you or you just found out about it on your own.
But I'm glad to be here. I'm glad you're here too. I pretty much found it organically. I think someone suggested it. I think people have suggested it over the years, your books. And then I started reading one and I got very interested in it. I was like, wow. This is pretty crazy. Let's just get people to the beginning of My Big Toe. How did you first begin with the research?
Well, actually, it all started while I was... in graduate school working on my PhD and I was I'd passed all my tests and everything so I was doing research and the research I did was experimental nuclear but it was low energy nuclear and we had this big like four- or five-story-tall Van de Graaff generator that produced the high-speed particles.
Now, that's different from the high-energy particle, which is hugely expensive, and you wait in line for long times to get on one of those accelerators, but this was owned by the university. When that machine was working, you took data. And if you were awake for three days in a row taking data, well, that was just one of the prices you paid.
Because if you stopped, oh, I got to go to bed, there's a good chance that the machine would break and it wouldn't be working when you got back. So if it was working, you stayed with it. And I saw this ad on the door that said, learn how to meditate. And it had a bullet point, bullet point. And one of them jumped out at me and said, you can get by with less sleep. I said, I need that.
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