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Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What's up? Nice to meet you guys. Great to be here. Thanks for having us, Joe. Thanks for coming here. I'm all happy, but this is not a happy subject. I don't know. It's probably a bad way to start off a podcast of how fucked we are.
But I really appreciate what you guys have been doing, and I think I first saw you on Tucker, and the details of all the stuff you guys have exposed, it's not, I mean, it's shocking, but it's not surprising. Yeah. It's really crazy. So can we get into this? Like you used to be on the dark side. Let's start with you. Tell everybody your background, like how you got started with this.
We were born and raised in Washington, D.C. And I thought being a good young conservative was supporting the farm industry or supporting the food industry, defending those industries. So I went to Stanford with Casey. She studied biology. I studied political science and economics and went on campaigns, but then was a lobbyist. Everyone bipartisan in D.C.
goes to work for the food and the farm industry. And on one morning, I'm working with the farm industry to literally steer money to the dean of Stanford Med School, who's a pain specialist, to be put on an NIH panel to say that opioids in 2011, that the issues around addiction were overblown. And we actually helped engineer an NIH panel to issue a report to say, opioid's okay, pain is a crisis.
And then later in the afternoon, working for food companies, working for Coke, steering money to institutions of trust, steering money to the NAACP to say that taking Coke off food stamps was racist. Coke soda today, to this day, is the number one item on food stamps. What I realized
fundamentally is that we are profiting the biggest industries the biggest spenders in the country are profiting from kids particularly getting addicted sick and fear and then and then drugging them and profiting from that what what is the conversation like when you guys are formulating a strategy to try to pretend that opioids aren't a problem
What are the conversations like? This is really important for people to understand.
The institutional design of the system, which was greatly impacted by Casey's Awakening, is that it takes good people and gives them plausible deniability. Nobody's in those back rooms conspiring and trying to be an evil person. They're literally talking to these junior staffers like me about the scourge of pain and how we have to get this innovation of opioids to the American people.
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