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Chapter 1: Who is Ky Dickens and what are The Telepathy Tapes?
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Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. I really loved your series, the telepathy tapes. I had long suspected that there was some sort of a way to prove that there's something going on. There's no way that that would be a thing for so long that people would talk about telepathy
certain moments where people could read people's minds or certain moments where there was something that was being exchanged that wasn't verbal, it wasn't facial expressions, it wasn't body language, there was something going on. And the telepathy tapes, excuse me, the telepathy tapes, essentially proved it. But what has been, has there been pushback about this?
I know there's a lot of hardcore skeptics that never want to believe.
Yeah. I think anytime you're pushing the status quo, there's going to be pushback, of course, you know, but I think the overwhelming amount of emails that we've gotten from families and others that have a non-speaking child have been, you know, so excited that this news is finally out there.
Same thing with teachers that have been witnessing, like you said, for witnessing this in classrooms and in their homes for decades, you know, and When facilitated communication first came to America, it was the 90s. What does that mean, facilitated communication? Okay. Maybe we should back up.
Okay.
Sure, sure, sure. I mean, so I wonder, okay, so what the podcast is about are non-speaking individuals who tend to have apraxia, which is a mind-body disconnect. Okay. And those individuals cannot speak with, you know, using their voice. Speaking is a fine motor skill, whereas pointing to letters is a gross motor skill.
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Chapter 2: What are the claims about telepathy and non-speakers?
Spelling is a valid form of communication. And yes, many of them say they have spiritual gifts, which I think we can pretty much validate at this point.
When you say spiritual gifts, what do you mean by that?
Yeah, so when I first stumbled into this, which we can talk about later if you want, when I first kind of stumbled into this, I thought this was just about telepathy, right? And that there were these individuals and their parents and teachers were claiming they could read minds.
And as I start meeting more and more and more of these families, and again, like I said, teachers, it's not limited to just families, one thing that they started telling me was telepathy is the tip of the iceberg. And I didn't know what that meant. You know, what do you mean?
And it's true because I think whether or not it's ability to see disease or illness in someone and be able to diagnose it before this person knows that there's something wrong, reading an aura and, you know, saying that they can see a color around not just animals and humans, but plants.
Being able to speak multiple languages even though you haven't been taught them or playing instruments and knowing music or being able to access almost any song and having perfect pitch. Being able to visit people in dreams. And then, I mean, I think some of the more just like mind-altering, shocking things for me was how many –
non-speaking individuals have said that they are able to speak with people from the other side. And yeah, so it didn't just start with telepathy or end with telepathy. It's a plethora of things.
So do you think that this is an emerging aspect of human consciousness? Or do you think perhaps this is something maybe we had before we were verbal that we've lost, but that lays dormant, like that we don't need it. So like a muscle, it atrophies.
Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I mean, I think we all have these abilities. I think this is all part of us.
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Chapter 3: How do non-speaking individuals communicate?
So one of the first things I had to do was I was like, can you just tell me about some of the emails that come in from parents? I had to just kind of go through reading some emails from parents. And it was one after the other. Like, I didn't believe this and I didn't believe my wife. I didn't believe my husband that this could be possible. But we've tested it. We've tested it.
People were sending tests. And I thought, OK, whatever is going on here, these parents don't know that any other parents are going through this. They think a singular miracle is happening in their home, that this child can read their thoughts. And that this is where the story is, that there's so many parents who haven't been listened to.
And so I really thought this was about parents at first and then discovered, no, there's been teachers writing about this for 30 years, capturing it, videotaping this phenomenon going on. and scared to come out about it. And I think same with the families, right? I mean, what a weird thing to say this child can read my mind or this child seems to be able to do X, Y, Z, things that seem impossible.
And so, you know, my first thought was, okay, I need to see this with my own eyes. And so Dr. Powell had just been reached out to by a family in Mexico who discovered that their 13-year-old daughter was inside. They didn't think she was. And she was able to communicate. And the reason they discovered that was during COVID-19.
You know, they were in charge of homeschooling and started being like, OK, let's see what you know. And she started spelling. She knew an awful lot. And I think they were shocked. And pretty soon thereafter, she said, I can read your mind. And they thought, what? And they would do tests. What did I just draw? And she'd say what they just drew. You know, what are we thinking?
And she would write it.
And so do they say what they see or how they see it? Like if someone writes something down, do they see the word or do they know it?
Well, I think that's a really good question. And, you know, we've done a few experiments that, you know, again, I'm not a scientist. Like the experiments I was doing for the film, I mean, which is going to be now a film, but the podcast was kind of me just trying to understand like proof of concept what is going on here. Right. And and I can only say what spellers have told me.
And there's been quite a few spellers who say I can see through someone's eyes or I can hear through their ears. And others who seem to have a merged consciousness with someone that they're very close to, whether it be a father or a teacher or a communication partner, father or whatever, where we did some experiments with one mom where we'd show an image to her.
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Chapter 4: Can non-speakers possess spiritual or extraordinary abilities?
What is the current state of... Yeah, let's see what it says. Whether they think it's real. Is there like a synopsis on what people think is? There's facsimiles. Interesting. Okay. University of Bristol subsequently removed a reference to Cheshire's claims from its website. What is the website? Cheshire published its translation in the fold-out illustration in 2023.
He claims it depicts a volcano, theories that it places a manuscript's creator near the island of Volcano. which was an active volcano during the 15th century. However, experts in medieval documents disputed the interpretation vigorously, approached for comment. Lisa Fagan Davis gave this explanation.
As with most would-be Voynich interpreters, the logic of this proposal is circular and aspirational. He starts with a theory about what a particular series of glyphs might mean, usually because the words proximity to an image that he believes can interpret... Okay, so they don't buy that this...
interpretation of it is real but they're pretty sure it's a language which is just fucking insane scroll up a little higher is there any debunkings of it these are different people that have made interpretations and they seem to no one really no one figures it out yeah various discussions
Yeah. Wow. Imagine if you can get that in front of a nonverbal kid and he's like, oh, I know what that is.
That'd be pretty wild. That'd be pretty wild.
Yeah. Jesus wrote this. Oh, he said he's coming back in August. Like whatever it is. I mean, there's just the fact that the child can read hieroglyphics is insane. I would love to see like cuneiform or Sumerian in particular.
We had an ancient language scholar named Wes Huffon, and he was explaining how a lot of these interpretations were of the Sumerian text, which is the oldest version of a lot of these biblical stories, in fact. He was like, I can't read it. He goes, I can read all these different languages, but this one is so different than all the others. And it doesn't have anything that's like it.
Like a lot of these other languages, you can find similarities in the way they're structured, the way the sentences are structured. There's none of that with Sumerian. It's like, this is a wacky language. Yeah. He's like, I can't read it. And he was brilliant. Yeah. So when you talk to a guy like that, who's humble about it, but also like very well read. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What are the scientific and societal challenges to accepting telepathy?
Well, I've asked people that. And one individual is like, it just feels more like a hill of thoughts. Like, just this mound of just thoughts and energy and being.
I wonder what they're seeing.
Well, we're working on that for the film. That's like why we have these two graphics non-speaker advisors so they can work to make us understand what it looks like to them. And then once actually once the telepathy tapes was done, I started releasing something called the talk tracks where we like keep going with answering some of the questions.
And one of them was this young man who reached out after episode two and he's like, I want to.
help or volunteer for you and i was like go work with some non-speakers that's going to be the best thing in the world and he witnessed the telepathy right away he witnessed a few other things and he ends up in the first talk tracks episode getting to the hill and his story is really beautiful as to how as a neurotypical man he was able to do that but people need to listen to it because it's really cool so he figured out how to get to the hill yeah yeah and what does he describe it as
Well, he said it's divinely protected, that there seems to be... Divinely? Mm-hmm. There seems to be, like, some sort of guide there that, like, you can't just go in, like, Halliburton can't go rip it off, you know? Like, there's, like... Like, it seems to be guarded and that only people with good intentions can go. And I think... I mean, I hope people don't try to start going there.
I really, really don't.
This is a non-spin-off. I know.
It's, like, one of the pains, actually, for me is that, like, oh, and putting this out there, like... But I do think the non-speakers are in charge there. It's their space. It's a beautiful space. And I don't think anyone can just get let in. You have to really be.
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Chapter 6: How did Ky Dickens start exploring telepathy?
And recognizing that it's real and that these preconceived notions that we've held on to for so long are probably erroneous. We probably have screwed ourselves by latching on to the idea that this is it.
Yeah.
This is all that we have. And this is the way to live life. And, you know, put your suit on and go to work.
Right. Yeah. What a boring way to live life. Gosh. I can't imagine working in an office. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a pendulum shift. I mean, the whole world is opening up right now. Right. I mean, there's just like so much is happening. I think that people are challenging these preconceived old fat. Oh, I might have some coffee now.
Please do. Sorry.
No, I said no earlier.
Now I'm into it. Cheers. Cheers.
Thanks for being here.
Yeah.
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