Ky Dickens
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And that's when I realized, okay, this isn't just like a telepathy thing. This isn't about a biological heightened sense. It felt to me, and this is where I... I landed is that this is a spiritual gift and there's a bouquet of them that for some reason the non-speaking individuals with apraxia, the mind-body disconnect, seem easier to tap into.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Then during COVID, they had to self-teach their children at home. And then they were shocked at how much their kid knew. But no one ever spent the time to, because a lot of the teachers might not have thought these people are in there either. So COVID was a huge motivator for a lot of these changes where parents saw my kid is in there and they can smell.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
For sure. I mean, we've had—our inbox has been the most delightfully joyful thing because so many of the emails we're getting are people being like, I did not ever think my child could spell. I didn't think they were in there. And then I heard these other stories of parents who felt the same way, and now I'm getting my child to spell. But the best ones are—I mean, they're not the best ones.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
They're all the best. But another really fun thing that we're getting are videos from parents saying— My child is spelling. I never thought in a million years they were telepathic. So then I started doing tests. And we tested with four numbers. And here's the video. They could do it. And here's nine numbers. And they could do it. And here's 22 numbers. And they could do it.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And so those are really fun that parents are suddenly doing telepathy tests with their kids. And then the other thing that's really beautiful is... There's parents who, having listened to the telepathy tapes, I think their children realize, okay, my parent is open to this.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Just like you, you're not going to go talk about something to someone if you think they're going to judge you or be scared of you or whatever. So what we're hearing a lot on the ground from parents and teachers is that because they listened, the non-speaking student or nephew or child in their life suddenly feels safe saying, hey, I can do this too, or here's what's up, or here's all of me.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Let me invite you in. And they've said that the world has just expanded in this beautiful way, knowing that it's a safe space now to be fully who you are, which includes those gifts for some non-speakers.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
I don't know if science has fully done all the research. They haven't done any research on this really yet. I mean, that's not true. There's been telepathy research and psi research and precognition research that's been happening for a long time, which is pretty conclusive. However, the gifts of the non-speakers, I think this is a new... a new frontier for science.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And that's one of the ethical things that I think everyone needs to consider greatly is like, how do we research this? Because what I have found, and if you think of like a Jane Goodall, right? Like the way she did science is she'd go spend time for months, you know, with the chimps until she finally observed what their life was really like because she immersed herself in it, right?
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And it's like, if you're gonna go watch a beautiful lightning bug sinking up in nature, you wouldn't bring them into a lab. You'd go and watch and immerse. And my plea is that scientists will take off their lab coats, pick up a letter board, learn how to do this, immerse themselves with a non-speaker, and they will see and experience and can ask the questions.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Because I think the non-speakers have a lot to offer and they can talk about this themselves, what's going on. But I've been hearing a lot of chatter online about like, put them in a Faraday cage and put them in two separate rooms and do this. And it's like, I don't know if that's going to be the most beautiful, helpful, empowering way to research this.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
I don't think it is different. And I think that all of these things, which I have learned are called psi abilities, PSI, I think come from the same place. And in the telepathy tapes in episode six, we really look at the science and how our world has been understood. And everything is this framework of what we call materialism. This idea that what's real is what can be observed and measured.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And materialism has dictated our thinking. for centuries. And most of materialism is right. I don't think it's wrong. We shouldn't throw away our textbooks entirely.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
However, at the very tippy top of, you know, after you have physiology and biology and psychology and all the things that make up our material world, at the tippy top right now we have consciousness and no one knows where it comes from and why it's there.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And what I think the theory that many people before me have put forth, and then I believe it, so I put this forth in the celebrity tapes, is that consciousness isn't at the top of the pyramid of our world. It's at the bottom. It's fundamental. It comes first. I mean, everything in this office was a thought first. None of it was real. And then the thought came after.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And so if you think about it that way and that consciousness is fundamental, then telepathy, psi abilities, precognition, mediumship, all these things that seem like a little wooby wooby all make sense because our truest truth is non-physical.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
It is the foundation. Consciousness came first, and the whole physical world came after. It's not that the physical world came first and consciousness came after. And if we just invert the triangle, keep everything else the same in the materialist world, just put the consciousness from the top to the bottom, then we can explain all of this.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And if anyone was out there is like, I want to look into this more, you could look into remote viewing. That's one of the most easy to validate psi abilities, which is being able to see something at a location where you're not. And the CIA used that for years. We know that. That's been declassified.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
It was remarkable to be in that room and see someone reading someone else's mind over and over and over again. When you see it, you can't unsee it. One of the best remote viewers was the Burbank police chief. CIA was in his office and saw that he had marked on the map where submarines were.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
This is one of the books I read in like trying to understand all of this is there's a great book by an author named Annie Jacobson. It's called Phenomena.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And what it was about was the declassified papers from the CIA about their Project Grill Flame and Project Stargate programs, which was really active in the 70s and into the 80s where they were using remote viewing because the Russians were active.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And what that was is they found that some people were extremely good at if you could give them a line of longitude and a line of latitude, they could sit at the Stanford Research Institute in California and tell you, draw a picture of what was there.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Yeah. And it's fascinating. And so they did a bunch of research around this and how this is possible. And they would put some of the best remote viewers under the ocean in a submarine to be like, okay, well, we know waves can't penetrate that deep of water. So what is this skill? Is it still possible underwater? Because telephone signals aren't, right? Cell phone signals aren't.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Most signals can't go through water. And these remote viewers were significantly more accurate, like statistically so, that they could still find targets when underwater. And there's been so much released on that program. Yeah. And I think one of the best remote viewers was, I believe, a Burbank police chief.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And someone, FBI or CIA, was in his office and saw that he had like marked on the map where submarines were. Well, that's alarming. How does this guy know where the submarines were? And he was like, I could just see him. And he became one of the best remote viewers in the program. And they did some of these, quote unquote, telepathy tapes of these telepathy tests with another man named Uri Geller.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
They would have him draw what was in a closed box. And he was pretty accurate. And so if people want to read that book, like that's a great gateway into this that shows something is happening. Something is real. And this program went on for a long time and they say it's expired.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
I think it's probably still going on in the United States government, but that was remote viewing and using psychic abilities.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
For sure, Russia, China, the United States have been looking into these psi abilities as very real elements. And of course, they're trying to use it for warfare and spying. I know that there's a lot of people who will teach remote viewing and map dowsing, where you try to go figure out where something might be located on a map. And some people are really good at that.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
It could be like the ancient... whatever aqueduct is here and they can help you find it. And like, these are things that have map dowsing has gone on for thousands of years where people will know what's underground. How? I don't understand how, but it's a real thing. I did not understand how remote viewing could work.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And so I went to a workshop one day because I thought, I wonder if I could learn this. And this was kind of like right in the heart of like me trying to understand everything. And I was just immersing into anything I could. And so I went to like a workshop where they try to teach you how to do this.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And I was with one of my close friends and they said, okay, we're going to do a remote viewing experiment. We're about to pull a slide up and you all have to draw what's on the slide. And I was like, a slide? That's not even in the physical world that we can maybe see. How is that going to work? And so everyone's trying to clear their mind.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And people, after 10 minutes or whatever, I look at some of the drawings. And it looks like people were drawing these big circles and stuff. And what I was getting in my head was draw a tree and a little bit of water and the word green and a bird and a sun. And my drawing looked so rudimentary, like something a four-year-old would draw.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And then all of a sudden they show what it was, and it was a peacock. And I'm like, okay, so I had bird and green, but I don't think that counts. And then my friend turns over her paper, and on her paper was a tree and a sun. She wrote the word green. She had water. We had the same picture. I have a picture on my phone.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And that's when I'm like, okay, I don't know what's going on here if we're remote viewing or if her and I just crossed paths and there was like real telepathy, like we sunk up. Whatever signal it was, her and I had the same drawing. And that's when I was like, this whole thing is really mysterious. And I finally understood what the parents were talking about.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Cause I was like, did we both tune into the same signal or were we sharing and influencing each other? What was that? But that was an astounding moment for me that made me believe in things like remote viewing.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
No, I should ask her. Yeah.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Yeah, it would really be awesome to try that again. And for me, the biggest shock was, again, I thought, okay, we're studying telepathy. We can do these telepathy tests. We can prove it or validate it. I guess there's no proof in science, but validate it. And that's what I thought it was.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
But then when I was immersed with so many wonderful human beings and families, the thing that I started seeing and that they start talking about quite quickly, especially the non-speakers, is, no, this is bigger than just telepathy. So many individuals can also— No languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible?
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Or tell the future and can accurately predict something is going to happen. And sure, that could be coincidental or maybe it's not. Or had information about something they'd never learned, be it math or science or even spiritual information. And so many others were talking about seeing beyond the grave, like knowing people and bringing messages through information.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And that was totally disorienting for me because that was all new. I didn't think any of that stuff was possible. Individuals talking about rocks that had powers. I mean, I came into that being like, wait, what?
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And I think the most important thing for anyone walking into this world is forget about the telepathy, forget about all that stuff, like meet the people.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And when you're talking to parents in particular who are stretched thin, they have so many just daily challenges with working, you know, just helping their children, but actually battling for their children every day to get the education they need, the supports they need, the care they need.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And for these parents who have so much love and so much sacrifice, and yet there's this other dimension of what the heck is going on. And their sincerity of just like, we know this is happening. Can you just help us understand why? And when you start hearing that from parent after parent after parent who don't know each other. It's pretty clear there's not a mass conspiracy going on.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Telepathy historically is reading someone's mind. You know exactly what they're thinking. That's what I thought this was at first. Parents started saying right away, this isn't just sheer telepathy. We think we might be sharing a consciousness with no languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible? Or tell the future and accurately predict something that's going to happen.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And so meeting the parents, loving the parents, I mean, they truly are the biggest, they're the love warriors on this earth right now. And then meeting the non-speakers with just such honesty around what's going on. For them, this is just life. Here, I'm going to talk about this. I'm going to share this. I'm going to talk about this. And that became convincing.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And then so I think I walked in trusting the parents, trusting the non-speakers, believing that they were telling the truth. And then I think when you are coming from it from a place of belief and trust, it's so much more likely for these things to unfold. You know, a lot of, I think not just me, but scientists would say like love is the basis of a lot of these psi abilities.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
If anyone ever has had this moment where something went wrong, it's because you love that person. You felt deeply. Something happened to that person. We have accounts of that from all over the world in history. Or you're thinking about someone you care deeply about, and the phone rings, and it's them. I mean, these links are, I think, based in love, and they're not that rare.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
We've all had that phone telepathy. And I just want to say this really quick, too, because I think that belief as a measure of being able to experience and see some of this stuff— There is space for that in science. We have the placebo effect. That's part and parcel of every major medical study because it's real. Belief and believing in something helps and changes the outcomes.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
I think if you were to walk in with the non-speakers and think, I don't believe this is possible. There's not telepathy. I don't think you're going to see much. But I think when you're like, I trust you. I trust what you're saying is true. I think people are much more likely to be themselves and show their full self. And telepathy is part of that in this world.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
The amount of messages parents were telling me that they were receiving from the other side through their child was wild. I think we are working with consciousness coming in from somewhere else.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
You know, I was so impressed with Dr. Powell. I mean, she's a real thoughtful scientist in this regard. And she was studying savant syndrome at first. And savant syndrome is really interesting. And I mean, her big thesis is ESP should be considered a savant skill because...
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Science as a whole legitimizes savant so that you might know a language or music or math without being taught or exposed to it. And that's pretty wild. How does that happen if you haven't been taught it? And so ESP is in the same realm, right? Like you know something you shouldn't know because how? How would you know the future? How can you know someone's thoughts?
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Oh, ESP is an extrasensory perception. So a sense of knowing something without your five senses. So she was studying savant skills. And what was fascinating is some of the parents who had a quote unquote savant, which is a troubling word of itself for a few reasons we can talk about later. But like we're saying, actually, I don't know if they're savant.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
I thought they were because I thought they had every book on my bookshelf memorized. But then I'm learning, no, I think they can see through my eyes or I think they're reading my mind. And she heard that enough times that she started studying that. And lo and behold, in the studies she did, she was seeing what I saw, which was this bears out.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Unfortunately, because so many of our scientific institutions are rooted in materialism and the journals and such, it's really hard to publish papers on this, to get grants to do the research around it, to publish a book on it. And when she published a book and was on her book tour, suddenly the board said, we're taking your license away because we think there must be something wrong with you.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And she had a petition. She had to go through psychological testing to prove that she was of sound mind. And then she begged them to look at the book. And they realized, oh, this is sound science. And she's sound. OK, you can have your license back and you can do this. But the trauma is done because you've had to pay a lot of fees. It hurts your reputation. It comes up on Google.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
That is a beautiful element to this. There are mental fields around certain animals.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And so I think for a lot of the scientists who are on the cutting edge of this, too, they've been harmed. Because for me, I believe that at the baseline for science, you should have a freedom of inquiry. You should be able to ask a question and see where it leads. And as a society, we need to ask ourselves, well, what is going on?
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
If you can't ask a question because people are afraid of the answer— I mean, that's troubling and it's also limiting because as humans, this is really exciting that there is a very real non-physical world. And I think that's what everyone actually cares about. At the end of the day, like, don't we care if that has implications for where we're going and why we're here? Yeah. Yeah.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
So Dr. Powell, she saw the truth of it, but she also ran hard into the deeply skeptical materialist society and science world.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
I mean, I think the same thing. I mean, she laid low for a while after that, you know, and then she actually retired right before the telepathy tapes came out. She's like, I don't want to be fined again. I don't want to deal with all this. And she was ready, but she was like, this is not worth it. So I think what kept her going is kind of the same thing that, you know, when I hit—
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
upload on that first episode i was like i might destroy my entire reputation as a documentarian as a human being i don't know what people are going to think but like this is true and it's this truth is worth it and i think dr powell underwent that when you see it you can't unsee it when you're in the room and you experience it you can't unexperience it and when you meet these families so full of love and truth and earnestness that are just like someone tell us why no one is listening and
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
you kind of want to carry the burden for them. You shoulder it for them because you're like, you aren't crazy. You're telling the truth. Like someone does need to listen. And I think Dr. Powell felt that urgency of like, I will carry your torch. And then I met all of them and I was like, I will also carry your torch.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And now I think there's a lot of listeners carrying the torch, which is beautiful.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
You know, and there's that quote, all truth goes through three stages. First, it's ridiculed, then it's violently opposed, and then it's accepted as self-evident. And I feel like that's one of these moments. And, you know, there's when Mendel first said that genes cause disease. I mean, that was like a big moment where people were laughing at that. That seemed silly.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Like little things would go into you and make you sick. Now it's self-evident, you know. It's a flat earth. Like people believe the earth was flat for a really long time. And then it wasn't. But people like clung to that. I mean, there's still a few people out there.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
But I think about the materialist science of now, and I'm like, I wonder if in 100 years, they're going to, clinging to materialism, they're going to look like the flat earthers, you know? But even when the Wright brothers first launched their plane, people didn't believe it. They didn't believe it unless they saw it.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
They had to go on a tour and fly their little plane all over for people to believe it. So it's not, I think this happens with any big leap, whether it's in science and spirituality or whatever it is. And And this is just, this is the blowback, the anger, the confusion, the trying to find like, you know, the character assassination is going to come from anyone carrying the thing.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
That's happened throughout history. That is just part and parcel when you bring in big news, I think.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
conclusively defined or when when people are asking the question why is this happening what do we know if anything right now of why it's happening i don't think we know yet right and i think it's because there's been such a lack of funding yeah i mean that was one of the hopes with celebrity tapes was to get dr powell some funding and and she's gotten funding now which is great and you know i know she wants to look at some mri scans and some qeg scans and
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And that's important because she's looking at it from the brain stuff, which is what a neuroscientist should be doing. And I'm interested in doing like really good telepathy tests that are visual for film. And so many scientists have been reaching out, which has been beautiful since this has come forward, being like, I want to work on a –
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
experiment or research and so i'm trying to get on board with our team uh non-speaking science advisor to kind of help and then do a round table with a bunch of the scientists who all have big ideas bring some of the non-speakers in and have a conversation about like what can we test what should we test what would be helpful what are the limitations and kind of go from there why do you think it's so important what do you think i'm intrigued to know what you think it would unlock for us by discovering the answer behind this what do you see
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Well, again, I think it's more than just telepathy.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
And there's a teacher who has been at this longer than Dr. Powell or me in Wisconsin who will constantly say, I think there's a sharing of consciousness. I think there's a linking. And that's a curious question because if that's the case, that means that consciousness is coming from somewhere else and that we can— beam into it. I mean, I don't know.
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Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism
Like if you think of our body as a television set, right? That will animate and all this stuff, but that's what's like, we don't carry the signal. The signal is coming from somewhere else. That's one view of consciousness. Like that is one possibility. And I think the non-speaking telepathy pairing that happens with a teacher or a parent, if we could test through a QEG and figure out
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Is the brain lighting up at the same time in the same place? We might be able to learn something. I'm not a scientist, so I want other people to carry the torch and figure out the experiments. And I hope to create for the film. We're going to make some spaces where non-speakers and researchers and scientists can talk about it.
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And then I hope the science just goes forth in a comfortable way for everyone. My biggest concern, of course, is exploitation of non-speaking individuals and their families. It has to be in a way that feels really safe and good for them. And some families want answers. Some are just like, we know this is happening. This is great. This has changed our lives.
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Everyone has to volunteer and do what's comfortable for them. But I just, my goal was to get this out there. And so that people would listen to the parents and hopefully believe them.
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Yeah, and I'm smiling when you said that because I said 95% because it just felt like the more science-y thing to say. It was actually pretty much like 100. But when I talk about the 5%, it's because they're spelling to communicate. So sometimes if pony was the thing that was on the flashcard, maybe they spelled like P-P, it hit twice O-N-Y or something like that where it's like, can we count it?
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We won't count it because there was a P hit twice, so we would discount it. Again, I'm not a scientist, but in my human mind, I was like, that counted. Yeah, yeah. There is that element where it's like they wrote the thing. It would be a tactical error like that.
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It was like, yeah.
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A double tap.
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Yeah, it would be a double tap. I remember when we were doing one telepathy experiment, there was a production assistant that was like walking around with Doritos. And then every time they entered the room with the Doritos, it's like the test would get disrupted. Like most of the word would be spelled like bicycle. And then the E would be left off because it'd be like Doritos are here, you know?
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And so stuff like that, we didn't count it because all of bicycle didn't. But again, like the science-y part was like, okay, we can't count bicycle because the whole world wasn't spelled. But like the human being in me was like, she just wrote bicycle. And then Doritos came in the room.
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Yeah, I mean, so there's something called synesthesia. Yes. And that is synesthesia, right? You see colors, different senses get tied to different things. With non-speaking individuals, it's really beautiful and interesting. And again, like broad brush here. So, but some of the people I was talking with, like one girl says that she sees the colors around each letter.
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So she doesn't have to see the letter board because she's pointing to a color. So that's pretty cool. A lot of non-speaking individuals say they see auras, not just around people, but around plants.
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um and cut flowers and they'll see that the aura drifting off as the cut floor flowers dying around rocks and again it wouldn't be just one individual it'd be many saying these things so at a certain point you're like okay things have auras and there's colors and that tells you how if someone's a good or bad or angry or whatever you know i mean it was just beautiful the amount of information that was so articulate and so profound that was being shared across the board
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Yeah. I mean, no, I think everything in my life has led to this. I think everything has. And it is fully my purpose for being here. And I'm so humbled. Like what a wonderful, wonderful purpose. And I don't know if purpose is given to us from somewhere else or if it creates your purpose. But like my favorite book is Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. I love that book.
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One of the beautiful takeaways in that book, right, is like the meaning of life is whatever gives your life meaning and nothing ever to come across my path outside of the people I love, like my spouse and kids. But beyond that, like nothing has given my life more meaning than this. To me, it's answering and picking through the most complex, important questions.
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So what a humbling, beautiful gift to just have fallen into this beautiful world.
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You know, for me, it was really a peeling of the onion. And first it was seeing the telepathy over and over and over again and being like, okay, I don't need to ask that question. That's fully happening. And then I almost felt like the parents would let me in on things as they thought I was ready.
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You know, so even hearing and understanding that Houston, one of the individuals to the telepathy tapes, understands that, feels rocks so deeply. And that was something that I always just shrugged off. Okay, so if telepathy is real and rocks truly give off – energy and frequency. What else have I dismissed that's real?
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So I started finding that things that I just shoved away as like, that's impossible, this is fake, or these are charlatans or frauds. I started coming to terms with everything I'd ever just ignored or dismissed in life and reevaluating it. So telepathy, like, yes, okay. Rocks, crystals, now I'm like, Like, okay, I have crystal things on my wrist. Like, it's like, yes, those have a powerful thing.
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And then non-speakers talking about the other side. I mean, that was something that came up a lot. In fact, that often is the first thing before telepathy is this person's here. Auntie has this message for you. You know, this person is telling me not that you tell whoever in India not to buy this land because that land has a bad well on it.
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And I mean, just the amount of messages parents were telling me that they were receiving from the other side through their child.
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was wild that was relevant to the parents life that was so relevant that would bear out that there's no way their child would know so then it started making me think okay we don't go away like there we're here something like it's consciousness survives i think all of it was a cognitive dissidence of now i fully believe that psi abilities are real that consciousness survives death and
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Thank you for having me.
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that we are all intimately connected, that love is the baseline for everything. And I think I see the non-speakers as my teacher, not the other way around. I mean, they are all of our teachers if people just take the time to listen and meet them where they're at. And I think what they would say is love is the most important thing. We have it all wrong. We're all connected.
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It is bigger than any of us. And that these spiritual gifts are in us all.
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When meditation was first being studied, it was kind of ridiculed as being woo-woo.
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I was a social justice filmmaker. So I was working on documentaries that were really diving into complex social issues, right, to drive change. So whether that was healthcare access or paid family leave, affordability and access, just things like this that were not in the spiritual realm at all. And I've always been very curious. I've always been a seeker.
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It's beautiful and it's all correct. I think you're right. And, and I think science is catching up to some of this stuff because when you look back on things like telepathy, you, if you go to most native, you know, groups of people that are still around and thriving, I think they would say, yeah, duh.
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these are things that were part and parcel of survival for individuals. And we feel removed from it, but it doesn't mean that it hasn't always been there.
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Absolutely. And I think you take something that probably has the most amount of quote unquote charlatans and the most amount of skepticism, like mediums. Right. However, like the Winbridge Institute, Forever Family Foundation, there are groups out there that will like double, triple blind test individuals to be like, these are the people we've tested. We've tested. We've tested.
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We've they don't even know who's the sitter versus blank, blank, blank. And and they come up with a list. You know, like 15% of the people they tested were the real deal according to these tests.
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So I think that's what's a good reminder for people too, is if you look into a lot of this stuff, some of the people, there are organizations and institutions out there looking at the science, trying to vet the best from the best. And you can do it. Like if you spend the time to do the research, you can figure out if it's real and who's the real deal.
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Right.
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I've always had a deeply spiritual side of myself that was a bit gun-shy around organized religion because I've also seen the pain that's caused. But I was just plowing forward with doc films that I was trying to make a difference around.
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For sure, people are resistant to change, right? We like our status quo. It feels safe. We like feeling safe. But I think when it comes to psi abilities, usually it's so vulnerable, right? To think that someone could know your mind or connect with the other side or tell your future. I mean, to be had when it comes to something so personal, so vulnerable, is like the worst thing ever.
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It's like telling a secret and have someone stabbing you in the back. It's just... To lay bare your soul and trust that someone's actually being a good steward of like your deepest secrets or connections and lying about it and profiting off it. I mean, there's like nothing grosser. Profiting off of vulnerability and trust is just the worst. Yeah. So I think that's why people are really skeptical.
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They want to make sure that this stuff, which is good, like people shouldn't be profiting off of people's vulnerability. But I think these skills are real and I think most of them probably can do it.
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No, I think that everyone probably has these in us to a certain degree, just like some people are excellent at basketball and some people can barely shoot a basket. So I think that it depends on the individual. Like telepathy seems so remarkably hard. How do you even read someone's thoughts?
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But I will say the thing that it was the hardest episode for me to put into the world because it felt so unbelievable, but I knew it to be true because I witnessed it, was that there was a huge amount of teachers, like a lot of teachers, who were saying that after working with especially usually one student that they were really close to, they were able to start hearing them back.
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So the telepathy started going two ways. And when I first heard that, I was shocked. And I was shocked that it wasn't a parent's. I mean, some parents have said this has happened to them, but a lot of teachers haven't. We're like, I will hear their voice in my head. I can hear their full sentences. I can hear what they're thinking and what they're about to spell. And it goes the same way.
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And the telepathy tapes entering that world and being immersed in the lives of non-speakers for the past three and a half years has completely altered me, every fiber of me. And it's made me see the world entirely differently.
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And so some of these teachers have told me it's so powerful now that we can sit next to each other and have a nonverbal educational period. And I'll ask questions and they'll write or they'll ask questions. And then I hear it back and they don't even have to spell. And when I first heard this, I thought, what? What? Like, can that be?
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And then I heard it again and then again and then again from people who don't know each other. And then I heard a woman who was a teacher on a podcast reporting this. And she thought she was the only person this had ever happened to in the world. And I remember reaching out. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Like, you're not alone. Like, no, it seems like a miracle, but this is not, you know.
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How has that happened? And I don't know, but I wonder why. can certain people help us turn it on or like rip off the block in our brain? And I don't know if the non-speaking individuals these teachers were working with helped them get there or if you just clear your mind and you're in the space with someone in such a beautiful, special way that we can all do it.
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The most beautiful comment I heard from a non-speaking individual about that was they were like, well, why are you all trying to measure telepathy with your instruments was the exact wording. And I was like, well, to prove it. And they're like, well, why aren't you trying to prove love in a lab? That is the most special and strongest power.
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It will cause people to jump into a choppy ocean or to pick up the car with such adrenaline if their child is trapped. Like love is the greatest superpower. That's the biggest superpower. Why aren't you trying to measure that in a lab? And I was like, I guess I don't know why. I don't know why we're not measuring love. Has love been measured?
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But that was the equivalent in their mind of like us trying to measure telepathy. This person was like, this is just part and parcel of this like love connection, communication, almost survival, right? If you can't speak, can't communicate like beyond spelling, it can be a lifeline.
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And I just thought that was so beautiful because there are certain things that you just accept and telepathy might be so hard for some people to accept, but if you're living it and breathing it as part of your bouquet of what you need to get around in the world, it might seem silly to measure.
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So as a documentary filmmaker, what often happens is before you even get funding for a project, you might be working and researching and immersed in this world for months, if not years, right? And so you have to really love what you're looking at. And right in between, after my last film, I had just moved to California, was trying to figure out what I was going to do next.
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Yeah, that is a beautiful element to this, I think. And to me, it really helped me believe everything more. I think that there are mental fields around certain animals. We see this in schools of fish. How are they turning at the exact same time, right? And certain like murmurs of birds who are basically have like the same mind.
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And there is this idea of like, are they all kind of connected to a greater mental field of consciousness that is helping control their movements? And Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist from Cambridge, talks a lot about this. And he's written books and done incredible research on animals, pets, knowing when their owners are coming home. And they'll put cameras around and page someone at the office.
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So it's always they're coming home at a different time in a different car from a different place. And they have cameras and see that the dog will go stand by the door, in some cases cats. And if there's a flat tire or something happens or this person gets called back into the office, the dog will go back and sit down. And then the second their owner's heading home again, they come back up.
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So there seems to be this telepathic link there. And one of my favorite stories that we share in the telepathy tapes has to do with elephants. And there was a conservationist who was trying to get some rowdy elephants into an animal preserve. And after a good amount of time, this man's name was Lawrence Anthony. He really worked to get the elephants' trust. He made their safe space.
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It was a huge amount of land. And he hadn't been, I think, in touch or seen these elephants much in the last few years of his life. And then one day he died. Well, the elephants all kind of gathered and walked to his house from where they were. And they all kind of show up right around the same time. And they stayed for a few days, mourning.
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And then I lost two very good friends in the prime of their lives. Like the type of people that, you know, they lost, they left kids behind, just unbelievable people. And I had a friend stop by to bring flowers and she's not deeply religious. She's just very well read. And I would say she's spiritual. And she said to me, you know, they're just right here.
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And it was remarkable for his widow because the question is, how did these elephants know to go and do their mourning ritual? Wow. How? And the story doesn't end there. Every year on the anniversary of his death, and this went on for a few years, the elephants would leave what they were doing and go to his house and pay their respects afterwards.
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On that day. It took them a while to get there. They had to walk a few days to get there. But yes, they knew exactly when he died the first time. And then they would pay their respects thereafter for a few years on the day of his death. And so to me, it's like if you have a hard time grasping telepathy in humans, look at the animals.
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because we're pretty closely related, you know, and there's just some beautiful treasures of stories of this telepathic link expressing itself in nature.
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There is a history here for sure. And I think the first thing that's kind of made the stigma around spelling really take hold was with facilitated communication, where facilitated communication was the first, oh my gosh, the individuals are spelling that people thought were locked inside and could never spell. And that required like touch communication.
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And the use of touch became problematic, I think, especially with some people who weren't trained because some awful court cases erupted from consent that wasn't given. Right. Horrible things that that happened through through this form of spelling. So then spelling evolved into rapid prompting method and spelling to communicate. And now the spellers method where no touch at all.
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I mean, you cannot touch. It's like a tenant of that. And when you sit in the room with a speller, it's really remarkable to watch, you know, because they're not being touched. They're spelling. It's clear. They're pointing directly to where they want to go. It's not like a struggle. The parent is certainly not going like this. You know, often it's completely like rooted.
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So it's really difficult that that stigma exists because these individuals are having to prove constantly. I'm in here. My words are mine. I authored them. And that's really hard. But I will say that this is not a new thing. Sign language took over 100 years to become accepted, even in the 60s, 70s.
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I mean, I think people were saying it wasn't a real language. There's no grammatical structure. The rallying cry was that anyone who is deaf should learn to read lips and try to speak. Basically fit into our world. We are not going to allow this language to take place. Same thing happened with Braille.
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Louis Braille, the inventor of Braille, kind of modified this language where you could use dots to communicate. And it was considered, it was outlawed. They weren't allowed to use it in school where he was going to school.
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And I'm like, what do you mean they're just right here? And she's like, they're just right here. And I thought, how can you say that with such conviction? And she said, you just start reading. If you start reading, you'll see that all the material is out there around where we're going, what we're doing, what this all means. A lot of research has been done.
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When they finally did a big test to prove that one person who was blind was going to spell something and another person was going to read it because the kids were using it like quietly, even though it was like outlawed in the school. And when they did that big test with viewers and people to watch, the first big claim was they're cheating.
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They practiced in advance to pretend what they were going to write. It seemed outlandish that you could read dots with your finger and spell by poking holes into something. And so Braille went through the same dilemma. And so I think this control of how we use language, who's allowed to use it, and if it's valid is not new. But it's really unfortunate because...
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that is a human right to communicate to say what you want for dinner i mean the most basic things and if anyone out there is critiquing this without seeing a speller in action i just think it's like a crime because you are trying to steal a voice from another living human being it's really mean yeah i mean what do the skeptics think is going on in those homes
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There's a lot around the tests around spelling, right? To prove it's like efficacy have really changed throughout the years. So at first it's like, okay, no touch. Okay, there's no touch. Now sit further apart. Okay, sit further apart. That's working. Then it's like the parent shouldn't look at the board. Okay, well, we won't look at the board. Then it's like, then can the parent leave the room?
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Well, there's something fascinating, which is why I think it's really important that this whole telepathy bit is getting out there. Because I think a lot of people who work... with spellers. And there are some spellers who are absolutely independent, like they're rocking and rolling, they're off to the races. And it's a journey. And it's a love evolution.
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But there's certainly many spellers I've talked to who say like, I need a person nearby, a trusted communication partner. And I don't know if it's the physiology is grounding them. I don't know if it is that they're help, it's helpful to use their eyes, I have no idea what it is.
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But there's this beautiful kind of meshing that happens, especially in the earlier parts of the journey, that are a bit inexplicable. And if you try to test it, it's going to be like, how do you explain that? And I don't know, but it takes two people to do sign language. You know, you can't do it alone. And so if this partner, and it doesn't always have to, often people have many partners, right?
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There might be some communication partners at school and at work and with a parent. But if that partner is needed to be somewhere in the space to ground you, Why does it matter? I mean, why does it actually matter? If they're typing on their own with their finger, new thoughts, self-diagnosing, talking about things other people don't know about.
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She knew I had kind of had a science mind. And she goes, so just start looking. So I made a commitment at that moment. Okay, I don't know what I'm doing next for my next project, which I thought was going to be a film at the time. But whatever it is, I want to answer these big questions. I don't want it to be about social issues in America anymore.
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I mean, it's clear they're in there and they're communicating their thoughts. Why it is that someone might need to be in the room to help them do it, that's a science question that I can't answer. I think it has to do with physiology. I think it has to do with energy. It might have to do with using someone else's frequency to help you just... stabilize, I have no, or integrate with your body.
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I don't know what it is. I don't think anyone knows, but people are asking the wrong questions because they're trying to test, test, test, test this and not looking at like, well, why is that link needed to make spelling work? But certainly the individuals are typing their own thoughts, often self-diagnosing their own care, spelling things that the spelling partner might not know about.
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It's fascinating.
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Every day is a bit of a, it's a beautiful thing. And I think about even now that we have a film team working on this, that they are starting to send their stories. Like my producer just wrote the other day and she's like, I just met this mom. And then her daughter walked in the room and knew my name and where I lived and what my child's name was. And like, why hadn't said any of that?
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And how did she know that? And I was like. Exactly. It's welcome, you know, welcome to the party. And it's, it's, it's fun. And like one of my favorite memories was once there was a mom that was trying to get ahold of me and I was busy on like phone calls and I wasn't able to answer. And I was a little concerned, like maybe it's an emergency. Fast forward, it's like lunch.
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I walk out of my home office into my kitchen and I'm making lunch and the phone rings. And I was like, Oh, your timing is perfect. And she's like, I know, I know. I just, I just was told you walked out to get lunch. And I'm like, Stuff like that where it's like, oh my goodness, like are they remote viewing me sometimes, you know, which is fine. So there's just, it's like bits of magic every day.
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Yeah.
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I want it to be about human issues and why we're here and what we're doing and what this all means. Because I was trying to figure out where are my friends. And I started diving into books about animal consciousness, plant communication, Ian Stevenson's work around reincarnation, and children and was reading everything I could get my hands on. And that also included listening to some podcasts.
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Mark Twain talked about, he called it mental telegraphy. And this was his observation that often you would write a letter to someone you hadn't thought about in five, seven years. And then the day that you postmarked it, you'd receive a letter. Seven days later, whatever it was, postmarked the same day from that person on the other side of the globe.
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So it's like you both had the physical male proof of when you sent the letter. And Mark Twain marveled in that, as one should. And Upton Sinclair, who wrote The Jungle, I mean... you know, beautiful writer.
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And one of his books that he wrote after he had like gone through his life was called Mental Radio, where him and his wife did a bunch of telepathy tests together and they documented how accurate they were. And I love the opening to that book by Upton Sinclair, because he's like, this would be the type of thing that should be dismissed or you should, you know, is held with such high skepticism.
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But what he said is after I've experienced it, I know this to be true. And I loved his words. He wasn't like, I think this is true. It was, I know this is true. So. This has all been around.
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Well, I mean, I think for people who are deeply interested in that, we have an episode on that, which is episode eight of the telepathy tapes. which I do encourage people to listen to an order, but there was one mom in England and I wanted to, we have a spelling episode all about spelling and that's episode eight where we go into the issues around spelling.
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But I thought one of the best non-speakers to highlight in that episode would be someone who never learned to spell and him and his mom have a telepathic link together, but it's formed in their dreams where he brings her into a lucid dreaming state and The first time it ever happened, I love this story. He was younger. I think he was maybe like 11 or so. It came to her in a dream.
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And she thought she was dreaming. And then he gave her an ace of spades and did this whole thing, like look through the ace of spades. And... She like woke up into a lucid dream and then he started talking and telling her all this stuff and remember this in the morning and they're going to tell you I need antibiotics, I need probiotics and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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So she woke up in the morning and thought, oh, I just had a dream and he was talking and didn't think anything of it. And then he went and saw her the next morning, grabbed a Ace of Spades from a deck in another room and like showed it, did what he did in the dream. And that's when she realized, oh my goodness, he came to my, in my dream and was talking there. And that's how they...
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have deep conversations and they actually started writing music together that way she didn't know he was a musician until he was started music therapy late in his life I mean in his 20s once she discovered that he started coming to her in dreams and being like this is a melody or these are the lyrics you need to write this down and now he's I mean he's pretty well respected musician in England wow and it's all through through dreams it's incredible and and one of the things that I came across listening that I wanted to know more about is
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Yeah. I mean, there's a non-speaker featured in the telepathic tapes. His name is John Paul.
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He's episode four. And he's ginormous. I mean, he's almost, he's like almost seven feet tall. He's a huge individual. And he had a girlfriend named Lily. They would letterboard, but they'd often say when they were letterboarding, it was for like everyone's benefit around them, that most of their relationship was telepathic.
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And John Paul's mother used to say it was really funny because they would go on like dates at her house and like they'd be on different floors and she'd be like, are they even hanging out? Like, what is this? And then she would leave and John Paul would be like, that was so great. We had so many awesome conversations, you know, because a lot of it was happening mind to mind.
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And there's one I loved called The Cosmos and You. And they did an interview with Dr. Diane Hennessey Powell, who was a neuroscientist, Johns Hopkins educated, Harvard, she worked at Harvard, who had been studying widespread claims of telepathy in non-speakers with autism. And And something hit me like a lightning bolt. And I deeply believe that if something is intended for you, it won't miss you.
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And it was just a beautiful part of it. And the parents would kind of marvel at like sometimes in the exact second, they'd each, each would come down and say, I want to go see, you know, John Paul, I want to go see Lily. We'd text and the text would come in from each other right at the same time. And that's when the parents were like, They're talking to each other from where they're... What?
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How is this happening? It was telepathy. So, yeah, I mean, you know, John Paul loved Lily so much. And Lily loves John Paul. I mean, they really wanted to get married. And I think... It's such an important, beautiful element of this.
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And I think it's important for everyone to understand is like a non-speaking individual is still an individual with their high school interests and hobbies and desires and bands they like and clothes they like and things they want and relationships they want. I mean, I think the spiritual gifts is just a part of it. It's just a part of it.
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Like, I don't think it's healthy to look at these individuals as oracles or, you know, they're human beings that just are more tapped into this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For sure. Yeah. You know, I mean, Lily likes biking and go-karting and John Paul loved poetry and swimming and manatees. And like Mia from episode one wants to be a writer. She wants to go to Japan. Like the most important thing is to know any individual, what makes them tick, what their interests are. what they want to do with their lives.
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I mean, like these are the questions we all should be entitled to answer for ourselves and every non-speaking individual. And I just want people to like, remember this as an individual that should be met in that way. And this is these gifts, if they appear in such an individual is beautiful and cool, but it's not, it doesn't define them.
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Well, this was something that didn't form for me as like a valid thing immediately. There was a few non-speakers in Atlanta that said that they connect on the hill telepathically and that it's a chat room, basically, a telepathic chat room where you can tune in. And Houston was the name who named it. He actually named it the chat on the hill, the talk on the hill.
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And then his good friend John Paul said that he goes there and he would put pillows on his head to block out stuff. And then his girlfriend Lily said she goes there and that a lot of people congregate there and that there's more than one hill. So I had a hard time wrapping my head around that. And at first I'm like, okay, it's an Atlanta thing. Like the individuals in Atlanta are doing this.
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Where I really talk about a two by four, like there's been a few moments. And for one for me was when I had just met this new teacher in Chicago. She had no idea about telepathy at all. She had reached out to Dr. Powell because her students were talking about ghosts and seeing ghosts and knowing things. And it totally weirded her out. Not weird, like it was just weird.
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So she hops on the call with me and Dr. Powell. She's explaining this. I did a follow-up call with her once she saw that the Tlapit was happening. And then she said, and you would not believe it, like some of the kids are saying they go to this place called The Hill. And on The Hill, they can learn this and learn that. And I thought, what? And then...
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fully third person was this minister from like a mega church in Arizona. I met him. He was very nervous to talk about this. He was writing his own book. He thought this was only in his congregation that he, you know, again, it was a miracle that he alone was privy to.
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I met him and then he was telling me a story about how one of his students would just met with another non-speaker from another church in another state. And he's like, and they were talking about the weirdest thing when they're getting off the phone, they started spelling to each other, meet me at the hill. And And he's like, do you know what that is?
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And I think I was stunned because now here's someone in Minnesota talking about Arizona, Chicago, and Atlanta. So after I had to go through a lot of Hill references to believe it myself, and now there's no doubt in my mind.
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Yeah, it's cool. It's very frustrating, I think, for a lot of non-speakers because you want to do something and your body totally betrays you. You might want to enter a room and instead you're leaving it. And the only time it seems like they're able to really gather and communicate their true thoughts is through spelling.
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And in that moment, I just thought, whatever is here, this is it. This has the answer. And I think part of it, too, was my brother's eye functioning on the spectrum. And the thing that I know, just my own experience with autism, is this sense of telling the truth automatically. There's not a lot of jockeying for ego-driven purposes.
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That mind-body disconnect taught me a lot because, for instance, Akil, who we feature in episode two, he didn't know where his body was. And for a lot of people who need to be touched when they first learn spelling, it's because they don't know where their body is. Akil didn't know he had fingers. He had to be massaged over and over.
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I remember Houston, when he first was spelling, he said he needed heavy boots so he knew where the ground was. And so you can imagine, if you don't feel connected to your body to the point where you don't even think you have one, You're living in the mental world. That consciousness is fundamental.
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I think it's less about non-speaking. People, I don't think it has much to do with autism at all. I think it has to do with apraxia and not being connected to your body.
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There tends to be a deep truth-telling, which is one of the most beautiful things, I think, about autism in some respects. And so I felt the messengers in this case are the most trustworthy and unassuming. So that kind of led me down this path.
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Right. Absolutely. And I think that when we understand that, apraxia and the mind-body disconnect, and that can help inform a lot of the confusion around spelling. Because certainly, if you don't know where your body is, when you're learning, it helps to touch.
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And that's why when people throw facilitated communication out because you're being touched, it's like, no, if that's working for someone and they need pressure the whole time to know where their hand is, put pressure on their hand so they can smell. Yeah. Awesome. Cool.
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Like let's assist people to get to their best selves and their whole, you know, but yeah, the mind body disconnect, the not knowing where your body is because non-speakers say that over and over and over and over again, that they're not living in their body. They don't feel their body. They don't have control over their body. And so, so then what is the reality? It's not the body reality.
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It's a different reality. And this is what we're all tuning into this different reality that they're able to talk about as messengers because of a plight. Honestly, I think most of them feel very frustrated about the inability to control their body, but the gifts that come along with it.
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And John Paul, when he said, I think Libby once asked him like, you know, what about, what do you love most about yourself? And he was like, everything, you know? So I do think like that experience of not being tethered to your body can be beautiful. It's just different from what we're seeing.
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I think most of my films that are self-driven, you know, there's some that are work for hire, someone just has you direct it. But the ones that I generate tend to be deeply personal, deeply specific. I'm trying to answer or heal something. But there were two films that I've made where I remember, or projects where I would actually start praying through it.
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We're seeing a body that's having a very difficult time managing in the world, but their experience is not bodily.
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I mean, no, I think it's fascinating. I mean, I think we can attach so much of our personal needs onto anything. You know what I mean? And AI is just—all of this is converging at the same time. And that's what's most interesting. It's like AI and what that's making us question about consciousness.
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I think even psychedelics and people's embrace of how that can help with mental health and explorations of consciousness and the— Trials are doing where people feel like they are certain there's more, you know, and that's happening with this exposure of what the non-speakers are hoping to, I think, teach us alongside sudden interest and validation on UAP.
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Like, it seems like it's all converging at once. Yes. And we're just like in the water of it right now. Like, I don't even think we realize how significant this moment is for humans and consciousness. Yeah. It's a cool time to be alive.
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Yeah, that it's been, it's backed down and just... Yeah, because it's seen as scary.
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I think social media has changed everything because I think the scaffolding of control was always very powerful before because it's like someone had the ability to silence you and no one would know that happened. Like you could be just quieted and not be able to get your truth out and they'd steal your camera and it was done, you know? But I feel like...
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Like, if I'm going to die, just please let me get to the finish line of this because I'm intended to do this. If I don't make it, then it just feels so big. And this was one of those. There was two in my life. And the first was my first film, Fish Out of Water, and this one.
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Or there'd just be a mass discrediting of someone. What's happening now with social media is you can get out a truth very quickly and find other people who agree and concur and thumb up it. And it's much more difficult to make someone seem bonkers, especially when there's a lot of people validating a truth.
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Yeah. I mean, I get very nervous about that. And I feel like scientists and researchers, it's like, you have your questions, but like, just let's pause for a second, you know?
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And one of the things that we've been talking about and trying to start a foundation for and put like profits that come in from the film or anything or donations to this foundation that maybe could try to open up centers in different states or cities where non-speakers can go and
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learn to spell for free in an affordable way and have physical therapy and parents can have respite care where they can bring their child here and they know they'll be well taken care of and the non-speakers can have their physical and mental and spiritual needs met. And then, then, only then, it's like if there's... an interest that one individual is like, I do want to study whales.
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Then maybe through these centers, a marine biologist could apply, and they have to learn how to spell. And they have to really get vetted and be on the level of the non-speakers. And then there could be a way where they pay the non-speaker to work with them. And so that way, it's equitable.
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And it's all centered on the non-speaker and really working to fit into their world instead of asking them to be a square peg fitting into the round hole of our world. And so I think we just have to approach it differently. The thing that makes me sick is the idea of someone being like, I want to test non-speakers and do this and do that. Like, that is gross.
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And I can't imagine—I don't think many families would—I mean, some very science-minded people might, but— Like I know one of our individuals that is in our project, like really wants to learn plant medicine. How awesome.
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But like, let's find a scientist who deeply cares and just doesn't want to like ask questions and cut and run, like pay the individual, you know, bring them into the fold, help with their education, you know? So there's a way to do it ethically and we just have to get there first.
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I think the worst outcome for me, which would have been really awful, would have been like if we were getting emails being like, this isn't true, this isn't true. But the opposite has happened where it's so many parents who are like, I always thought this was, you know, my wife didn't believe me or husband didn't believe me or blank, blank, blank.
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Telepathy historically is, right, reading someone's mind, you know exactly what they're thinking. So, or you could hear their thoughts as though someone was speaking it. And that's what I thought this was at first. And I thought there could be a scientific explanation around the, you know, when often a sight is muted, other senses heightened. And in this case, It feels a lot deeper.
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And now like we're having open conversations and we're sending it to the nieces and nephews and uncles and aunts. And like, that's really cool. And it's just so beautiful. I mean, it's beautiful because I think people are finding community and My biggest concern always is for people to live like a transparent whole life. Like don't compartmentalize, don't lie in secret, just be all of you.
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And I think for non-speaking individuals, they are able to now be all of themselves because so many more people are willing and able to see them and receive them. And that is beautiful. Like there's no, there's nothing that can compare to that.
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I mean, I believe all sorts of things I didn't three and a half years ago. I certainly believe that consciousness survives. I actually think consciousness is not local. I don't believe our body creates it. I mean, I think we help and assist in that and our memories and all those things work together. But I think we are working with consciousness coming in from somewhere else.
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I certainly believe in things like precognition and psi abilities and even mediumship abilities, stuff like that, that I didn't, that I dismissed before. Yeah. I mean, I'm forever changed, you know, and it's cool. Like I have young kids and it's cool watching how they're growing up with these things. I mean, they hear about it all the time. They're hearing the zoom calls there and yeah.
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and it's just part of their life. I saw my daughter playing Barbies the other day, and this was actually a few years back when I was still working on it. And they were divvying up like, okay, your Barbies are doing this, and this is the identity of your Barbies. My daughter goes, and my two Barbies are non-speakers. And then her friend is like, well, how are they going to talk?
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And she's like, through telepathy. And I was just like, oh my gosh, that's great. You know, just watching it like being part and parcel of, you know, their world is cool.
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I mean, it was an embarrassing thought and I had no idea the extent and I'm not even going to say what it was, but we were sitting at a table and it was after a long day of shooting. Dr. Powell was there. We had another neuroscientist there. I think Katie was there. Houston was there.
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And I remember, I don't remember exactly what the thought was, but it was enough that it was like an embarrassing, silly thing. And all of a sudden, the second I thought it, Houston like laughed and like spit out his beer practically. And I'm like, oh my gosh, he heard my thought. Yeah. And that was where I was like, wow. Okay.
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Like, cause when we were doing the telepathy test, it's one thing, but when you experience it over like a beer and you realize someone heard your thought and like laughed, that was when I'm like, okay, I got to like clean it out again, clear it out.
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The final episode of the telepathy tapes, I gave the floor to non-speakers from all over the world. And I think the best lessons are there. And like one thing that I think about all the time is one of the non-speakers said that kindness is the best way to evolve. And so I just want people to think about that.
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And when people are very afraid about, you know, one thing you didn't ask about was like the fear about reading thoughts. And I had to think about that a lot over the past few years that why does that so scary to people? And I think it's scary. Because people don't maybe like the thoughts in their head or it's too, you know, they'd feel too exposed.
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But if we are capable of this and we're being called maybe to like get to a place where this is a communication we're all capable of, then we're first called to like clean our own thoughts a little bit. And that's easy to control how you think about people, how you think about yourself, how you think about the world around you, the choices you're making.
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And if you are conscious about those thoughts all the time and making them pure and loving, it's not scary if someone's reading them, you know? So I think that like... I love that that kindness is the best way to evolve because some non-speakers are saying, hey, we are all capable of this. This is where we're going to go.
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We all have to do that hard work of like becoming more loving, kind individuals first.
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And in fact, a lot of the parents started saying right away, this isn't just sheer telepathy. We think we might be sharing a consciousness or there's some sort of merging going on. It feels deeper and much more complex than simple mind reading. Wow.
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Many non-speakers I've met have said that we are capable of that. And again, I trust their insights more than I trust my own. I do think we're all capable of it. I've seen it turned on in teachers. I think it's all possible. And I think for those, it's scary to take a look inside, let that be a mirror.
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And it's a beautiful thing because one non-speaker, and then I know we'll end, but like one non-speaker once said that, look, if you say the word Thanksgiving,
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You've said the word Thanksgiving, but if I telepathically send it, you're given the football game on and your uncle pulling up and sleeping in your childhood bed and the smells and like your favorite candy and seeing this person and the smell of your mom's hair and like all the whole thing.
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And it's an experience that is so immensely beautiful and there's no sarcasm and there's no withholding and there's no exaggerating. It's all just the pure. And to me, it's like, wow, what would happen if we were all living that way? So if we do get to a space where more of us are telepathically communicating, I think it's going to be good for humanity, not bad.
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It does, totally. And I've learned that just being around non-speakers, making sure like in my thoughts, it's like, okay, like they're being read. So just make sure they're, and then so the whole day you're empty, actually. It's like you're meditating in a way. Like I keep my thoughts really empty. And I actually find even like directing with them is easier to do that.
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Like you just empty out and you feel better at the end of the day. You feel great at the end of the day. You're living in the moment because most of our thoughts are what just happened or what's in the future. And when you're just empty, you're like totally present. And so that's the gift where I'm always like being with non-speakers aware of my thoughts and just trying to have none.
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Yeah. I mean, we are on all the social media at the Telepathy Tapes. I would encourage people, though, my biggest ask is please just presume competence. If you see a non-speaker, if you meet a non-speaker, if you work with non-speakers, they are in there. They're human beings. Help them get on boards, learn to spell.
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And if you are interested in getting engaged with non-speakers, you could become a Spelling to Communicate partner. by going to S2C or spelling to communicate or a speller's method, like just go look into this because we need more spellers. I mean, that's the biggest ask is just that everyone starts assisting them and meeting them and presuming competence. That's everything to me.
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Yeah. And I think, you know, again, it depends on the individual, but from a lot of the non-speakers I've met, I'd say the gifts can be varied. There are some parents who will say my child will know exactly what I'm doing during the day when they're at school. They'll know what I'm thinking, where I went, who I met with. And what is that? That's not telepathy. That's something bigger, right?
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Thank you. Thank you for having me on.
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There's some parents who say, if I, one of my favorite stories is one of the non-speakers, once he started communicating, knew all the things there was to know about Harry Potter or different books. And the parents thought, how? And this individual said, I read them through my sister's mind when she was reading them. And so just really fascinating things.
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Is that mind reading or is it like fully... And then there's been teachers who say, my students have said that they can see through my eyes or hear through my ears. And it feels as though they might be using my neurology in some way because their neurology is unreliable. It's helpful and grounding to utilize mine.
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And so I'm just telling you what other people have told me and the reports are varied and wide. But something I've heard from many teachers in particular or parents is that like... Sometimes the thought will occur and it's like, well, where did that thought even generate? Which makes you wonder, like, is it coming, is consciousness coming from a different place and we're tapping into it together?
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The parents and teachers who are in this world, they just have so many questions. Like, what is this? Because it does feel bigger than typical. I'm reading your mind telepathy.
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Okay. So yeah, I reached out to Dr. Powell and I said, look, I'm a filmmaker. I'm very interested in what you've been uncovering. I'd love to get to know you. We did a few Zoom calls and then I flew up to meet her. And it was wonderful because one of the first things I did is I wanted to see like, what's the scope of this? And I asked if she wouldn't mind reading some emails off from parents.
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And of course, you know, HIPAA law, she can't show me the names. But I saw in her inbox, like the folder of so many emails from parents. And I thought, good grief, this is like really big. And she started reading some of the emails. And of course, I think anyone walking into this has a healthy dose of skepticism. I mean, telepathy seems like a superpower in the Spider-Man movie.
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It doesn't feel real. And so, but these parents, one after the other, were saying, look, I didn't believe my wife, and I tested this myself, and I'm a doctor, so I couldn't fathom this, but this is real. This is happening. And so many emails from people like that. It's not that they were baked in believing. They were coming to Dr. Powell with their own questions around, how is this possible?
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Can someone answer this for me? And they were coming from all over the world. At that point, I realized that the only place these people had right now was Dr. Powell's inbox, that most of them hadn't ever met each other. And it felt like the strings weren't being tied together yet. And Dr. Powell has her own practice. She's a researcher and scientist.
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It just felt like this was so much bigger than, honestly, either of us and certainly the families. And then I started meeting some of the families. Dr. Powell introduced me to a few. And I wanted to find one that she'd never met before, never tested, to test myself. So same thing, like it's hard to believe. And I wanted to not, to pick the place.
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I wanted to bring my own cues, set it up, make sure that we covered anything reflective so that we could test this and see if it bears out. And it was remarkable to be in that room and see someone reading someone else's mind over and over and over again to the point within like an hour where you're like, this is not boring, but just like it became... Okay, she can do it. Cool.
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Like, let's try this. Let's try this. Let's try, you know, just kept kind of pushing the envelope and this young girl Mia could read her mom's mind. Anything we showed her mom, she could tell you, you know, and then I met more families and more families and kept seeing it over and over and over again to the point where now I'm like, well, that's self-evident. And I think the parents are there too.
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It's not, they're like, we don't need anyone to prove this is happening. We need to know why this is happening.
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I think to me it's like the most beautiful part of the story is it's really based in love. I mean, for so many of these parents, they have children that are diagnosed with something that is often like very hope stealing in terms of the diagnosis. And I think often there's doctors telling them your child will never be cured. be competent, won't learn beyond a certain level.
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They might not connect with you. They won't ever speak. And I don't think these parents are given much hope. And to love someone without getting a lot of physical or verbal feedback around, like, I love you, thank you back, is very difficult. So it's the ultimate sacrifice these parents are making. And so many of them have been told, again, their child will never speak.
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And somewhere along the line, most of them, people at least that we've featured, have discovered spelling to communicate, which is a method for non-speakers to communicate by pointing to letters. And that's a gross motor skill, whereas talking is a fine motor skill. So if you can't talk, it's okay if you can point.
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Often these parents would see this and think, that's not my kid because my kid is still, you know, banging their head against the wall or maybe even smearing feces, just really difficult behaviors. And these parents were thinking, there's no way it's my kid. Often, like the deepest leap of hope, not wanting to have your heart broken again, these parents would try.
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bring their child to learn to spell and it's often time consuming and such sacrifice and such practice and their child got there and there's a point which is called getting open on the board where you're not just answering a yes or no question or filling in a blank where you start driving the conversation yourself and when these children became open
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Pretty soon thereafter, they started saying things about being able to read minds or knowing what their parent is thinking. And of course, when you first hear that, there's kind of that like, oh, wait, what, really? And what happened in most of these cases is the parents would do some tests and do their own experiments and then end up with a ton of questions. Search about this on the internet.
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Up until now, there's nothing about it out there. And usually they would find Dr. Powell.
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No, but I think what a lot of parents believe, and I think teachers too, is that most of the non-speakers that we're featuring have apraxia, which is where your mind and body are not connected. So if you have apraxia and can't control your behaviors, that doesn't get you very far. Because that's a big thing I want people to take away is like, this is not about autism.
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I never talk about it as being about autism. It's about apraxia and not being connected to your body.
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That's the... That's the thing that's missing. And in fact, a lot of parents are like, I don't think my kid has autism. We have this big wide tent of how we diagnose this. And people will say it's autism. But no, it's apraxia. And that's the mind-body disconnect. So a lot of it is like the diagnosis could be totally wrong too.
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And so I really thought this was about parents at first and then discovered, no, there's been teachers writing about this for 30 years, capturing it, videotaping this phenomenon going on. and scared to come out about it. And I think same with the families, right? I mean, what a weird thing to say this child can read my mind or this child seems to be able to do X, Y, Z, things that seem impossible.
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And so, you know, my first thought was, okay, I need to see this with my own eyes. And so Dr. Powell had just been reached out to by a family in Mexico who discovered that their 13-year-old daughter was inside. They didn't think she was. And she was able to communicate. And the reason they discovered that was during COVID-19.
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You know, they were in charge of homeschooling and started being like, OK, let's see what you know. And she started spelling. She knew an awful lot. And I think they were shocked. And pretty soon thereafter, she said, I can read your mind. And they thought, what? And they would do tests. What did I just draw? And she'd say what they just drew. You know, what are we thinking?
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Well, I think that's a really good question. And, you know, we've done a few experiments that, you know, again, I'm not a scientist. Like the experiments I was doing for the film, I mean, which is going to be now a film, but the podcast was kind of me just trying to understand like proof of concept what is going on here. Right. And and I can only say what spellers have told me.
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And there's been quite a few spellers who say I can see through someone's eyes or I can hear through their ears. And others who seem to have a merged consciousness with someone that they're very close to, whether it be a father or a teacher or a communication partner, father or whatever, where we did some experiments with one mom where we'd show an image to her.
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Her son, who was sitting across the room, would all of a sudden start writing what the image was. But what was so fascinating is sometimes the mom wouldn't even know what the image was. So at one point she thought it was paint. No, no. She thought there was a food fight. It was ketchup and mustard. And he wrote paint. So so at that point, it's like she's not obviously sending a thought. Right.
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He seems to be tapping in the second the images in her own mind. So for us, it was a big question of is this just your telepathy? Because a few parents have told me, no, this is bigger than that. And it seems like a merging of consciousness of some sort.
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Yeah, it's really fascinating. And, you know, but I also – one of the stories that I loved goes back – so Rupert Sheldrake, the Cambridge biologist who was in this project – And he didn't believe in telepathy either. I mean, I think a lot of scientists, right, don't believe this stuff right away either. And he had a, you know, a senior professor that he really looked up to, Sir Rudolf Peters.
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And that's how Rupert Sheldrake fell into this world. And that boy was diagnosed with being blind, but also at the time what they called severe mental retardation, which no, we don't call it that. But who knows what this young individual had, if he had apraxia or what was going on, if he had autism. But
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So spelling to communicate is how many of these individuals communicate, right? And when the first... Well, and with that in mind, I just want to say one quick thing, that often people historically have looked at people with apraxia or non-speakers, and they think that because they can't speak, they can't think, that they're not in there. They don't presume competence. And none of that is true.
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Yeah. I mean, with non-speaking individuals with apraxia, they are in there. They're so smart. It's just that mind-body disconnect and not being able to... What do they think causes that?
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I don't know. There's so many wonderful experts out there looking into this, and I don't know what causes apraxia, but I do know that... There's a lot of supports to help individuals who have apraxia to communicate. And the world is just making it really difficult for these individuals.
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It's cool. I mean, you know, in some ways you think of like echolocation or being able to see through infrared as like a sixth sense, like a sense that we don't have, right? But it's like a sense some other creatures get around with. So it's like what we're talking about here is almost like a seventh sense, right? It's something beyond that. But there's something so beautiful about that, right?
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That if humans are so creative that we will find our way to get around the world and find our ways to communicate.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think that is absolutely true. And I think, though, as far as, you know, individuals with apraxia go, again, like it's mind-body disconnect. Yeah. there's so many of the spellers I've met who don't know they have a body at first. They can't feel their body. They want heavy boots to know where their feet are or a heavy necklace to know where their chest is.
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And I think not being in your body, not knowing you have your body, leaves you to live in this consciousness space more, right? This world of thought where we can't imagine that. We're so bound to our body. We have these dissociative boundaries where it's like, You're Joe and I'm Kai.
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So I think that's what heightens a lot of this for them is just not, you know, feeling as grounded into their bodies.
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Yeah. I mean, this is – I have received a question around, you know, could the government utilize these individuals? Isn't that disgusting?
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Yeah. You're right. Like how will the government utilize this and manipulate it for their own gain?
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And it's a fair worry. I mean, it is a fair worry. And, you know, like we try to be very protective of the families and make sure that – They're safe and that they're only out there if they want to be out there and that type of thing.
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These individuals have a hard time controlling their body, right? And so if you can't control your body, people make all sorts of assumptions, you know, and that's been really difficult. Yeah.
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Right, exactly. But I will say, I mean, every non-speaking individual with these gifts that I've ever met won't use it for bad or nefarious means. They're interested in love. They're interested in connection. Right, right. Yeah, not.
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They'll know. They can read your thoughts and they know what's up. They know what's up better than anyone, I think.
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I mean, the first stage was, I think, I never had the barrier of whether or not they're in there. You know, I helped start the inclusion program in my high school and I've worked and cared for people, you know, with varying abilities my whole life. So that I knew they were in there. But I think the next thing for me was the telepathy. Yeah.
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And when you see it and when you talk to enough parents who are saying, all you need to do is go see it. It's not like it's not like does it show up or like will it appear? It's like for the parents and teachers report this is happening. If you go work with a speller, you just see it. So that was pretty phenomenal. And then the first person we saw being able to do it was this girl, Mia.
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And she was still in the early stages of learning to spell to communicate. So she was being touched. It often helps like first with the wrist and then here and then here and then. on the head and then off, and then there's no touch at all, right? It's just like learning that body and learning those supports to control your motor.
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So Dr. Powell was like, no scientist will take this because she was being touched. And I think a lot of us in the room were like, wait, people think her mom's sending Morse code? I mean, of course, that's ridiculous. It really is. But then the next individual could do it across the room and wasn't being touched. And
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And so I think that the subjects in this project who are non-speakers with autism have been up against all sorts of different battles, from people not presuming they're competent, from people doubting their way of communication through spelling to communicate. And then, of course, it comes out in many cases that these individuals are
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you know anyone that we saw thereafter wasn't being touched so that was pretty remarkable and i don't think touch actually i think telepathy is really cool if you're being touched you know but um so telepathy was the first one and then i think the second one was uh the language stuff and a lot of parents saying you know we have no idea how but she's speaking portuguese and no one in the house speaks portuguese or people talking about you know this has been documented
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Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah. It's quite common, actually.
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Well, I think nonverbal is this idea, right, like that you're not able to make like language, you know, in a way where like speaking is just like they can be verbal. They can communicate. They just can't speak it. Okay. They just can't speak it. Okay. Without the support of a communication partner like, you know, that is – the goal is to type independently.
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Yeah, I mean, I think especially with apraxia, there's often a lack of body control, voice control. So there is like a beautiful soundtrack that I've come to love of non-speakers that will often be like some grunting or just lack of body control.
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And actually, I think if someone sees a non-speaker out in public, one of the most loving things you can say is like, I know you can't control your body and I know that's not you. You know what I mean? Because the person in there might want to be doing X, Y, Z, but just cannot –
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Yeah. So, I mean, there's one young girl I'm thinking of in particular, but there's this again, this has come up now with, I don't know, 15 non-speakers that I've met. But the girl I'm thinking of, her, you know, she will work during the day with a paraprofessional and a...
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spelling coach you know there's a you know the education system there might be two or three people in a room and three people who were in the room this day and she started spelling in a language and they didn't know what it is so they looked it up and it was Portuguese and then she started spelling in Spanish and they were like this is wild and she also said she knew hieroglyphics and what yeah
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And then they were like, well, how do we test this? Because if we know the answer, she'll read our mind and know.
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So they had to like look up pictures of hieroglyphics and not know what the pictures were representing to be like, okay, here's the feather. I mean, I don't know what a hieroglyphic, whatever, a feather on top of a stone or whatever the picture was of. And here's this picture and this picture. And then she identified them. And then they looked them up and they were right.
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can read minds, have a plethora of other, for lack of better words, spiritual gifts. And then the parents and teachers often aren't believed about that either. So it's like there's stigma every which way. And the podcast is kind of a collision of all these stigmas and really trying to break down those stigmas and be like, here's the truth. These people are in there.
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I mean, I wasn't there for this. I, you know, her mom reported it to me and it has the email that she received from the staff. And so, you know, the staff is just like, this is what happened today. And, you know, because these individuals are spelling to communicate, it can take a lot of time. It can take a whole work and effort to get that information out.
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So anything that comes out usually, I mean, a good spelling coach will ask you. this child first, right? Is it okay if I share this with your parents or is this private between us or whatever? But if they say it's okay to share, they will write a letter home and this is what happened and that was in a letter home. This is what happened today.
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Tiny, tiny percentage. I mean, from a scientific perspective, and this is one of the things that there was a professor, Bernie Rimland, who first, I think, came up with this idea. And then I know Dr. Powell kind of expanded on it, which Bernie Rimland first saw this kind of gift in non-speakers, I think, in the 70s. I mean, a while back, it was like ESP should be considered a savant skill.
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And Dr. Powell has talked about this as well. So... Savant skills, right, are accepted by science. This idea that, like, how do you know the language or math or this or that when you haven't been exposed to it or haven't been educated with even maybe the most simplest music skills, but now you're playing a symphony, right?
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So savant skills is being able to really excel at something that you haven't been taught. And savant – there's people who are born with the savant skills, and also sometimes you can be an accidental savant. So you get –
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Spelling is a valid form of communication. And yes, many of them say they have spiritual gifts, which I think we can pretty much validate at this point.
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Yeah, complex geometry and stuff like that. So what's wild is that the materialist scientific point of view accepts savant skills. We don't know where they come from. We don't know why. We don't know how people can know this stuff. They haven't been taught, but we accept them as these real big question marks as it's real.
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So what Bernie Rivlin said and later Dr. Powell was like, ESP should be considered a savant skill. These people know something and we don't know how they know it, but they do. They haven't been taught it. They haven't been exposed to it. And that could be thoughts. It could be knowledge about the future. It could be knowledge about language.
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And this is what the whole hope is about the telepathy tapes, right, is that people will start to put money behind this research. Because for so long, research around this type of stuff wouldn't be funded because it would be just dismissed. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible. Right.
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And one of the moms in the telepathy tapes who I love so much, her name is Manisha, she talks about her son. She goes, Akil is the data. You want to look at the data? You want the data? Like, look at my son. He's the data. And some of these parents are wanting, desperate for answers. They're not in the question of if it's happening. They're wondering how it's happening.
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And I think I'm in that part too. Like when the people that are just, is it possible? Is it possible? I think for most of us in this world, it's like, Yeah, you're like 10 steps behind, man. Like it's possible. It's not a matter if it's why. And that's my hope is that this can there's like a the chains will be like, you know, let off the scientists.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, so when I first stumbled into this, which we can talk about later if you want, when I first kind of stumbled into this, I thought this was just about telepathy, right? And that there were these individuals and their parents and teachers were claiming they could read minds.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Usually, so there's different forms of spelling to communicate. Often there's like a letter board, right? Sometimes it's a stencil letter board that you poke a pencil through so you really know when you get that letter and it's really satisfying to get the poke through. Sometimes there's just a laminate board where you kind of point to a letter.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Some individuals are typing into a spelling kind of app on an iPad or there's different spelling like AAC devices. Can they type?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, using your body. And the thing I think why spelling has been so – there's such a stigma around spelling. And I feel so bad for individuals using spelling because they're in there and they are communicating. But people have said, oh, but you need the support so these can't be your words, right? Like for a spelling partner, let's say – You have to kind of learn to be a communication partner.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You have to learn to really understand like the mind-body disconnect and what's going on with the non-speaker in front of you. And sometimes their hand gets lost in space. So it's good to like pull the board away and like put it back in again. Or sometimes you have to cue them, like, go for it. Okay, get that letter. Because that will help with their motor planning, right? Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So those supports are critical. But people will look at those supports and say, oh, well, that must mean they're not typing independently. But to me, that's as wild as saying, oh, you need reading glasses? You can't read. No, that's a support to help you read. You can still read if you're reading classes. And that's how I think of the communication partner.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
No. And I think one of the things... But the stigma, I think, that really started for spelling was facilitated communication. Actually, this is like the first thing you asked. We're going full circle. So for a long time, there was just no hope of getting people who weren't verbal, non-speakers out. There just wasn't. And then all of a sudden, facilitated communication came along.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And as I start meeting more and more and more of these families, and again, like I said, teachers, it's not limited to just families, one thing that they started telling me was telepathy is the tip of the iceberg. And I didn't know what that meant. You know, what do you mean?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it was developed, I think, in Australia, I think. But this was ideas of, you know, put some pressure on someone's wrist so they can really feel where they're at in space, right? Like, they'll be able to spell. And it was a miracle. I mean, it was all over the news. This was great.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And some of the first parents that were using facilitated communication started reporting there's telepathy involved. And this was at Syracuse University in the 90s. Syracuse knew about this and started kind of burying that information. And there was a lot of, like, kind of... And you'll be let go if you're teaching this and you're talking about this. So there was kind of big cover up.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So this was new. This is not new that this was going on. But then there were some claims of sexual assault. There's awful things that happened where what was being claimed didn't happen. And so people started blaming facilitated communication. Oh, well, maybe they're pushing their hand or doing this or doing that.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I think for a lot of people who train in facilitated communication, you're using your hand to put pressure so the individual knows where the body is in space, but you're not pushing their hand. But there probably are some cases where that had happened. Well, anyway, so then it got kind of just stigmatized, right? It's pseudoscience. This is not –
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So spelling evolved into these forms where it was like, no touch, do not touch. And so many of those spelling groups now are helping individuals. And the big tenet of this is you cannot touch them. And that's where spelling's at now, is that you learn to communicate and there's no touch involved.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I'm one of these people that thinks whatever the individual needs to help them communicate, it's okay. If you need a little touch so you know where your arm is, or sometimes it helps you go faster if there's a little push, I think go for it. Help these individuals get out there.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, and it was really on set sometimes because every once in a while, some parents hold the board and hold it there for their child. And we would use these dry erase markers on the screen to be like, is the board moving? And it wasn't.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it's true because I think whether or not it's ability to see disease or illness in someone and be able to diagnose it before this person knows that there's something wrong, reading an aura and, you know, saying that they can see a color around not just animals and humans, but plants.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Being able to speak multiple languages even though you haven't been taught them or playing instruments and knowing music or being able to access almost any song and having perfect pitch. Being able to visit people in dreams. And then, I mean, I think some of the more just like mind-altering, shocking things for me was how many –
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, I can only comment on the people I've met, but I think of all the people that we're talking to a lot, you know, for the project and now the film. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely more than one. I mean, at least I know 15 or 20 who can who seem to know various language they haven't been taught.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And one of the earlier children that Dr. Powell was studying, this boy knew really kind of odd languages like Russian and Japanese. And I think he was five or six and could just speak in different languages and knew different languages. It's absolutely remarkable.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, this is the thing, right? There hasn't been a lot of research around this phenomenon. And I think I can only go again off of what spellers have said. I mean, one thing is that they say that there's a neurology behind language, right? The current, the most baseline language is not with words. Words are these 3D objects that we attach these thoughts and feelings to.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And that is the thing that they can understand, which makes sense. That would be what telepathy is, right? If you're not using words.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. But if you think of prayer, right, that's telepathy. People who come back from a near-death experience and they say they have these communications with someone, you don't have a body. That's telepathy, right? Like if a medium is talking to someone or getting messages from someone who's passed, like that's telepathy. So it seems like the baseline –
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
to me, like all of this has proven for me that, that we have a soul or, you know, there's, or there's at least if that word is triggering to someone that at least there's a conscious body, there's a consciousness in each of us that, that doesn't need a body.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like, and so I think the, the language thing is like, we've put words over this thing and that, but the telepathy, the baseline is there no matter what. And if you can understand the baseline of what's being communicated, the words don't matter. Does that make sense?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
non-speaking individuals have said that they are able to speak with people from the other side. And yeah, so it didn't just start with telepathy or end with telepathy. It's a plethora of things.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And I think that type of stuff can really help, right? I mean, people, I think what's cool is that a lot of the research on, you know, psychedelics is kind of converging with this stuff right now, you know, around telepathy and the non-speakers.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I think a lot of people have had these experiences on, you know, on psilocybin or on an ayahuasca trip or whatever, where there's this realization that like,
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I mean, I think that's a big thing. Right. And I keep thinking you asked about the pushback around this. And what's interesting is it's not just from skeptics who don't want to believe in telepathy and that the non-visible world is real, but also from people in the spelling community who don't want people to mention telepathy out of fear that it's going to.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
foil their efforts to make this like standard practice in schools. In fact, some of the teachers and others who've been involved in our project have been getting letters from the IASC, like a spelling group saying, don't talk about telepathy or you're going to have your accreditation taken away.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I think the fear is that if you... I actually don't know. I mean, because most of the people I'm working with, almost all of them, every single one of the people I'm working with has... sees this as happening in their homes and their classrooms. And it's not just teachers and parents and ministers and rabbis and parapsychologists and speech pathologists and occupational therapists.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
These are all the people reporting it, right? And for them, I think the thing is, truth is never harmful. It might be difficult, but it's not harmful. And what this truth means is that we have to change our systems of education. We have to change how we think about things. And I think there is a deep fear of people having their darkest, deepest thoughts exposed.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That's probably not comfortable for the government, for people in control, for people who are controlling things with money.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. But why... I think this truth might be really uncomfortable for some, but it's so important to get out there. You can't accept and love someone as a whole being unless you can see and know all of them, right? Yeah. And the only people I feel really in service to are the non-speakers who haven't had a voice and all the people loving and supporting them or who are saying, this is real.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
We want this out there. And so the gatekeeping around this has been massive. I mean, yes, from the science world, but also from the spelling world. But why from the spelling world? That's what I don't understand.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
There's so many challenges of people saying, oh, because they're using these supports, these words aren't their own. And then I think there's this conflated idea like, oh, if they know they're people with telepathy, they'll think their thoughts aren't their own either. And it's a weird idea because just because you're talking to me doesn't mean that I don't have my own thoughts or words, right?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Like I can read a book which thoughts are coming at me. It doesn't mean I don't have my own thoughts. So you can hear thoughts and that doesn't mean you don't have your own. I mean, so it's like putting too much together that I think is talking about telepathy is not going to foil spelling. But some people believe that to be true.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I mean, I think we all have these abilities. I think this is all part of us.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, no, but this is the problem. Spelling is not – there are so – I just talked to a parent the other day who said, I've been trying to get a communication partner with my daughter in school so she can contribute. And the school system will not pay for that. They're like, nope, you cannot have a spelling communication partner.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well – No, there's a group called ASHA, the American Speech Language Association, who accredits speech language pathologists. And they say that spelling is pseudoscience. And I don't know how communication could be called pseudoscience. What? And so if you're a speech language pathologist and you want to teach spelling in schools, that's considered like... Wait a minute.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
This is such a controversy that it's just maddening. I think, again, it's because of those supports, like because because you might need a part because you need a partner to spell. It's considered, oh, well, you're not spelling independently.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And in the telepathy tapes in episode five in particular, we get into animal communication through telepathy and a story of elephants that knew when someone who was in charge of their big game preserve had died and they'd walk days to his house and stay there for grieving and then would come back every year on the day of his death. I mean, just unbelievably beautiful stuff. Rupert Sheldrake died.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, it's not. But but Asha is saying that, which is making it.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, most of these individuals aren't being touched. I think that the problem is, I mean, the problem is that no one's presuming competence.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Spelling. Okay. I should restate this. So spelling is kind of the catch-all phrase for pointing to letters to communicate, be it on a letter board or an iPad or even a keyboard like what we're used to with a computer.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. So this is a compounded issue. But one thing that's kind of I thought this was fascinating is that any type of like alternative form of communication has gone through immense battles to be validated. Like, oh, my gosh, sign language. I think in the 1800s, there was a conference in Milan where everyone's like, we cannot teach sign language. People need to try to speak.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Sign language went through battles for, I mean, over 100 years to try to even get accepted as a real language. And it wasn't until the 70s or 80s when that happened. And then Braille, Louis Braille, who invented Braille. The people at the school where he invented it was like, you guys can't use this. We don't accept this. And we don't believe you can read by touching dots.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And we don't believe you can type by poking holes. That's impossible. That seems nuts. So when they did, they would do these tests with Louis and other students to be like, OK, you write one word and you spell, you know, and you read it with your dots. And they did. And then they'd say it's fake. They planned it. They pre-planned the words. And it wasn't until multiple times.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, variations that finally Braille was accepted. And now we're seeing the same thing with spelling to communicate. They need a communication partner. Just like to read, you need glasses. It doesn't mean they're not communicating on their own. They just need someone to help support their motor control.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, yeah. I mean, you think about it, right? For now, you know, decades, if you have apraxia and you're a non-speaker and you're considered you're not in there, people will treat them, put them in school systems where they're trying to teach them to, like, behaviors that are impossible if you can't control your body.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then often teach them over and over colors and shapes and teach them like they're not getting it, that they're not smart. So they've been robbed of their education. They've been robbed of an entire livelihood. So to admit that we've been wrong about this entire population and educating them wrong, I mean, that's a lot of reckoning. That's a lot of wrong.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And ABA therapy, which is now what kids go into, is a multibillion-dollar industry. And I think that they profit very much so from having kids go into this type of therapy. And I think ABA therapy can be helpful for some people. But for a lot of non-speakers with apraxia, it's traumatic. What is ABA therapy? It's behavior therapy. And that's like what insurance will cover if you have a practice.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
has talked, has written at length, a brilliant Cambridge biologist about dogs, experiments he's done that kind of show that dogs know when their owners are coming home, and sometimes cats. So this seems to be part and parcel of the animal kingdom, right? And many of us have had that experience of phone telepathy, where, oh, I was just thinking of someone and they call.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I do think it is. I think there's a huge financial gain, ABA therapy and ASHA. And I think it's all in bed together.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It does. But if like anyone listening to this, the number one thing is that like if you think of a human rights violation, right, that non-speakers aren't allowed to go spell in schools to communicate, to participate socially.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, because these are individuals with ideas and thoughts and career hopes and want to date and want to have friends and want to be involved. And yes, they can't control their bodies physically. But they can do, they can communicate and to be leaving them out because, oh, we can't afford or we don't believe that you should have a communication partner in school. It's so, it's just mean.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, because if spelling if you could be if they'd say, hey, we will approve for spelling to be covered by insurance. Every family could go do this right now. You've just spent thousands of dollars often go to a conference, do an online thing. It's not cheap. It's not affordable. It's not easily accessible. I mean, it can be depending on where you live. Right. But like but it's it's not easy.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
That would be a lot more money going away from AVA therapy.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, I think the corroboration of person after person after person was really helpful, you know?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Okay, so the telepathy was definitely that. Okay, that became pretty quickly. And it was really funny, too, as how like the people working on this, like on my crew and my camera guy and stuff. My DP, Michael, would quickly – we were all kind of like, okay, this is happening.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You'd get almost bored seeing it because it became so common and so easy that the telepathy quickly became unimpressive, which is so wild to say out loud. But then it would be – Like I remember Houston, who's a beloved individual, both in my life and also in the project and his mom as well. He had this relationship with stones where he could feel like the energy of crystals.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And Katie, his mom, is, you know, an evangelical and didn't put much stock into any new age thing. And I think she went to get a massage and they gave her like a bag of crystals and stuff. And she was like, come on, and kind of put those in her, you know, bathroom upstairs behind one door and, you know.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And Houston came home from school, like ran into the primary bedroom and then went to the bathroom and found the rocks and like was so excited and put them in lines next to his bed and wanted to put his head next to them. And he could feel the energy coming from these stones. And I always thought, OK, people believe in stones and maybe they matter because people believe in them.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But like I didn't actually think they had energy or like healing gifts. And here's Houston going, feeling the stones. So that made me think, what? OK, maybe there's something here. Enough individuals saying they could see auras around plants and animals and people. So that was something I started being like, OK, this is happening enough and enough that I believe that.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then the language was the next thing. And that was pretty remarkable. And I'm not saying every non-speaker has these gifts. I'm just saying the people that I've met that have been a part of this project and there's an awful lot do. And I think probably the gifts change per person, too.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Um, you know, I should send out another like questionnaire, but probably every five individuals, you know, but like that's a rough number, but it would be interesting to like survey.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, this is one thing that has been really remarkable, I think, especially since the celebrity tapes came out, is how much belief and just like acceptance of these type of things matters for them to show themselves. Right. So so I was talking to a parent the other day who's not in the celebrity tapes of someone I've met through this.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And she said, look, my son, after the celebrity tapes came out. you know, he's about 19, said, I need to come out to you. I can also read your mind. But just never felt comfortable saying it because didn't think his parents would respond well. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And and another teacher was telling me, look, now that this has come out and I've realized this to be a truth in her clinic or classroom, she will do 10 minutes for thought sharing in the beginning of the day where they can all talk to let them hang out. And she she said it's like the one of the only times when they're all quiet and And they're just thought sharing.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And she said that, you know, now that telepathy is out, more and more parents are like being told this and, you know, accepting it. Because when I fell into this world, before the telepathy tapes was out in the world, almost every single parent or teacher I met was like thinking this was an individual miracle happening alone in their house. They couldn't tell anyone.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Even sometimes the spouses were fighting. I met one parent once, not in the celebrity tapes, but, you know, I met her in the journey. And she said, my husband wants to take my child away because he thinks I've lost my mind by saying that this is happening.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So, you know, so now that it's out there, I think it's a... It's just think about it. If you have kids, right, like if you believe in your kids, I believe you, I believe in you, it makes a difference. The placebo effect.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
We know the placebo effect works. If you believe in something, it makes a difference. So when you say to a non-speaking individual, like, I want to know all of you. I'm excited to know all of you, even if that means that nothing you can tell me is going to scare me or make you love you less. You know, I think that's a cool way to approach anyone, really.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. And I, um, for sure. And I will, um, you know, I, I often pray at night and sometimes I'll also just beam out thoughts to some of the non-speakers of my life and hope they catch them, you know? Um, uh, and you know, they're loving thoughts usually, of course. Um, And then there's been a few times where I'll see a non-speaker that maybe, you know, I've come to know and love in a dream.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And they're communicating something to me. And I'll write the parent in the morning and say, can you ask so-and-so if they were trying to communicate X, Y, Z at all? Or, you know, were they trying to communicate with me last night is usually what I'll say. And they'll say, oh, yeah, they wanted you to know blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. And it will be what happens.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But that's only happened in dreams, not in real life. Yeah. I mean, dreams are real life. But yeah, so I think the more people are open to this and practicing it, it's there. You'll get there. And a lot of teachers are able to get it back to a telepathy where they can start hearing their students back. And they said, you know, there's a teacher.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I love this story because I heard her on a podcast, actually. And it was sent to me. I was like two years into my journey. And this teacher thought no one else in the world was going through this. And she said there's a student and he's telepathic and he can read my thoughts. And then all of a sudden I started being able to hear him back. And I'd be cooking dinner and I'd hear him.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And he would tell me things. He would just pop into my mind. And he was younger, so she had to set parameters to be like, you can't come into my mind all the time. But she said that in the classroom then they started being able to teach, just do the whole thing, the whole lesson without talking. She'd ask him something in his head. He'd start typing it. She'd ask something else in his head.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
He'd start typing it. And that was something that like a lot of teachers have expressed that or speech pathologists. And I've often wondered, why is it easier for the educator, you know, instead of the parent? And I think it's because parents put so much stuff on our kids, right? Like if I'm watching my son play basketball and he's not boxing out and he's not doing this, I'm like, oh, good.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Oh, good. Can he watch, you know? But if it's someone else's kids, I'm like, oh, they're five. They're just learning, you know? I have no care if anyone else's kid is doing this. So I think with our kids, we put all this baggage on them even if we're not intending it.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
The energy is so great where if it's just free and you're just wide open and you're just ready, I think some cool bond can often happen between... I mean, between anyone, but certainly at least my experience has been more educators than parents that it goes into this two way thing.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So at this point, there's a lot of teachers. So I have like a little bit more data points on this. And for her, she was hearing like a voice in her head, very clear, you know, very clear.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. And that's what's so cool is for some of the individuals who've kind of gone through this will say, you just know it's their voice, even though they don't have a voice in the real world. Like you just know it's their energy imprint, right? Like this is their voice. But then I've met some teachers who are like, no, it comes in as like a visual voice. A visual package, if you will.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. Like or one of the most beautiful things I heard from a mom in England. And I think her story is great because she knew this was going for years, was scared to put it out there. She finally did. I'm not getting any younger. I'm putting it out. And then, of course, there's a lot of parents around England that were like me, me too, me too, me too. This is happening to me.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And she once explained it to me in the most beautiful way. She said, like, if you say the word with a word, Thanksgiving, you've just said the word Thanksgiving.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
If you send it telepathically, you receive the smells, you receive sleeping in your childhood bed again, like your crotchety uncle who's mad about that, like the game of, you know, the sound of the football game, maybe snow, you're this person walking with a pie, like the prayer you say, whatever it is, all the things that make your experience beautiful. That comes to you.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And there's no misunderstanding what this means and feels and is. And it's this whole expansive idea. So I think she receives things that way. Wow. Yeah, it's really cool.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, I think one thing is experiencing something, you just believe it, like I said. And I think anyone who has engaged with... walks into a room with a non-speaker who can do this, which from my experience has been quite a few, it's not hard to see. It's pretty easy to witness it. And so when you experience something over and over and over again, right, it's like...
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Are all these parents and teachers all around the world and speech pathologists and principals and ministers and rabbis and everyone who's witnessed this lying? Did they all come in this great conspiracy to decide that we're going to trick the world or they're experiencing something and telling the truth? And the first one is out there. That's like the most impossible thing to imagine.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I think that's changing, actually. Yeah. It's only true if we can measure it and observe it, right? And that makes you seem foolish if you believe in something that can't be measured or observed, like a psi phenomenon like telepathy or precognition or anything. or dreams being able to communicate with someone or any of that stuff would be thrown out as being silly.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
The other thing I want to say, too, is like there's a motivation for someone who's a charlatan. Right. You want to make money off of someone or something when they're specially and they're the most vulnerable. You're going to exploit this and et cetera, et cetera. Or it's for your own ego, your gain or career or whatever.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, to date, because non-speakers have not been able to have the resources that they need to spell and engage in society, they've not been able to have a career yet. I mean, some have, but very few. Or make money on their own or, you know, be in the popular crowd or have some cool whatever. And so what's to gain? What is to gain?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it's also takes so much energy off and to spell out something. I can't imagine that you'd spell out a lie. I mean, there's nothing to gain in this entire population talking about this in silos all over the world. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean I think they're probably – I think they have so much input coming in that it can be overwhelming. But, right, it's not informing their – Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, Rupert Sheldrake, again, who's in the project, he's the biologist from Cambridge. He talks about something called the mental field. And that was like a good handle for me to start to understand how this could be possible. And so by that, we know that fields can exist beyond something and we take it as part of science. Like we know the Earth has a gravitational field. You can't see it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know it's there. But... But, you know, it's real. And we know that magnets have a magnetic field. You know, you can't see it, but, you know, it's there. And so his theory is that our mind has a mental field that expands outside of the brain. And this mental field can, like, overlap with someone.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And that a great example of the mental field, if you will, would be when you see, like, a murmur of birds or a school of fish and they're all turning at the exact same time. They don't bump into each other. They're not, like, having concussions left and right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's like they do it. It's almost like they have a collective consciousness.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
In the water. And it's like they have one mind, right? It does feel like one mind. And so this beautiful idea, it's just out there. And one of the things I came across that I absolutely adored as well was that Mark Twain, he coined this term mental telegraphy. And what he was responding to was kind of what we think of as phone telepathy, but that someone would write a letter.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Maybe two weeks later, he got a letter from Aunt Margaret post-March 2nd. And that would happen a lot in the time of letter swapping, that at the same time, both people thought of each other. They hadn't written to each other a long time. The letters were postmarked on the same day. You know what happened the same day. And there was, like, such a concrete evidence there of, wow.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And so he wrote a lot about that. He thought that was fascinating, you know? And, like, Upton Sinclair, who wrote The Jungle – You know, wonderful author. He wrote a book called Mental Radio where he was trying to do telepathy experiments with his wife and she would think of something or vice versa and they draw it out. And he had done this so many times that he talks about this is real.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I know this to be true because I've experimented it and heard I can thought share. And so, you know, it's like we have examples of this throughout recent history. But I definitely think if you go back to many native cultures, I mean, even the Vikings, the Druids, whoever, like none of this would be shocking. Right. They're not going to go try to prove this. This is part and parcel of being human.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I think there's been a massive effort to make that true, right? That if you believe this or you're a scientist and you want to publish this, we're going to dismiss you or ridicule you just for even daring to ask that question. Research about this type of stuff has been dismissed because it's materialist, you know, scientists who for a long time run the journals. Sure.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I think it still is. But to your point, it's just been buried by the noise that we've filled up our lives with.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you know, energy, right? You did martial arts and stuff. So you understand like if someone's energy, how it can impact you. And I think that like most of us have some sense of like you walk into a room and someone just like, they're, Or like if you're really, you know, I think energy is a real thing. Sure.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But I think as far as like these gifts go or whatever, like telepathy, you know, we've all had that experience where someone's like, oh, I just knew the second they died. Like I felt it like I fell to the ground in my apartment and I have no idea. And then I got the phone call or or. My aunt came to me in a dream last night and said, I love you and I'm always here and whatever.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then like the next day they get the phone call, their aunt died. And there's so many stories like that we hear just in everyday life. Right. Sure. So, again, like it's just if we sat back and really thought about this, this isn't wild. This is part of the human experience.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
In the beginning, I think when I was starting to go into this, I was meditating a lot and doing a lot of stuff. But but right now I'm so focused on just getting the story out that it's like all my time is put on that. And I've kind of put my own stuff aside for a little bit here. But I mean, meditation, I think that's the number one way to to help open up anything mental. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, that's and meditation like 20, 30 years ago was considered kind of fringe and out there and the idea that it could benefit you. Scientists looking into that were kind of like, oh, this guy's kind of, you know, and and now it's that those people were right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, I think so. And I think, I mean, definitely it's gratifying. But, you know, the story behind that is pretty remarkable. And that's, I think, one of the things that was most gratifying because I never intended to make a podcast. You know, I was trying to make a documentary of this.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But there is something interesting here, which is that consciousness, we don't know where it comes from, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then the documentary became so big that I was like, oh, maybe I have to make it as docu-series, like pitched it to a bunch of, you know, streamers and stuff. And I think people loved it. They were like, oh, this is such a good pitch. And oh, my gosh. But like, it doesn't fit our mandate. Like, what is it? It's not true crime. It's not this. It's not that. And so everywhere we pitched said no.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Everywhere we pitched. And I remember going home and feeling devastated because I thought this was the most important news in the world. How could anyone like this is this needs to get out there and thinking it's the end of the road. I can't afford to go do a documentary on my own. I can't do this. I can't do that. And I was just like.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, and and I thought this could be a good podcast, but I never made one. So then it was sort of like this will be my final pitch. Like, hopefully someone will notice and then we can get the film funded. And so I made the podcast as just like a desperate like Hail Mary, like someone listen to this, please, and fund documentary. And then it like went crazy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And so what, you know, the brilliant scientist Dean Radin talks about in the telepathy tapes is that if you think of materialism as a pyramid, right, and the base of the pyramid and all the things that have built up our world, which are biology and physics and chemistry and all those things, those have rules and properties and we shouldn't throw those out. Those are pretty much true.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it was what was so funny, too, is when I first started telling a lot of families and stuff about the podcast, they were like, wow. I don't know if that's a great idea because spelling is so you have to see it to believe it to know that they're really not touched and that they're really communicating. And telepathy, you have to see to believe like none of this will work as a podcast.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it was just that lightning bolt again, you know, like, no, no, no, this is it. This is it. You guys like this is it. Like, I just know it's going to be great. And they were like, you know, and so the fact that it did what it did is just humbling. And I think so well deserved for the non-speakers and those parents and teachers who are brave enough to tell their stories finally. Yeah.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I mean, so and I think the medium, too, is so I never realized what a special medium it is because you're talking directly into someone's ears.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And you're just in their mind like and just can talk to them for a few hours. And this was a story that we needed some real long.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. And I would not have put my time and effort and money into this if it wasn't real. I mean, it is it is real and people don't have to take my word for it. Like they could just go start working with a speller. And again, not all spellers, I think maybe. I don't know. Who knows? But I think these are gifts are pretty easy to see if you start engaging with.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So we, our first day of filming was yesterday, which is really exciting. Yeah. Yeah. And so we, yeah, we're off to the races. We have five non-speaking members of our production team, which is awesome.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So cool. Two are specializing in working on graphics and depicting what things that they talk about look like, like the chat on the hill. I don't know if you've heard of this telepathic chat room where non-speakers hang out. We can come back to that. And the realms where maybe they get information, or just even what it means to see auras or to see... Stuff like that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So we have two graphics kind of advisors that will be working with the graphics house on that stuff. We have a scientific advisor who's going to help us figure out how to best do the telepathy tapes with the scientists that we'll be working with. And then two story kind of consultants. So it's really cool to all five of these individuals. I believe it's the first paying job they've ever had.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So that's kind of it's just cool. So what is this chat on the hill? Okay, so that was one of the harder things to wrap my head around. When I first met Katie in Houston, Katie said, you know, Houston talks about this telepathic chat room where he can go hang out with his friends. He can kind of tune into this telepathic chat room and he teaches there too.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But currently at the top of the pyramid is consciousness, and we can't explain where that comes from and why it's there. But if you just take consciousness from the top and put it on the bottom so that consciousness is the basis of all reality, right, that consciousness is fundamental, that everything is the product of our thoughts first, then we can account for all this stuff.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it's a place where they can commune and talk and encourage you.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, Houston's like really special. Yeah. He really is. And I think there are different roles that this person might talk about plant energy and this person might talk about this. And I've heard this now from, well, let's just back up.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, I don't know, but – well, I'll get to that answer. Let me just – because I think that's an interesting thing. So Houston started talking about this – what he calls the talk on the hill, which is this telepathic chat room. And then I met his good friend, John Paul, who's also kind of based in Atlanta.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And John Paul would go up to his room and put four pillows on his head, and his mom was like, he's on the hill. And this is what he does to kind of get everything out, all the sounds of the house, so he can really concentrate and get there. And, you know, she said he really has like developed a beautiful relationship with his girlfriend on the Hill. And that and I'm like, what?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So I didn't know what to make of it. Only I knew that it felt very real to these parents and these individuals and people were talking about it in Atlanta. So I thought, OK, this might be an Atlanta thing that these individuals are doing this. They don't have to be in the same room, the same zip code that they can connect. And on the day I met John Paul. he was on the hill at one point.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I asked that question. I said, how many people are on the hill right now? And I think he wrote like 4,000 something. And I was like, holy cow, that seems like a lot. And he's like, well, people are really excited about the documentary right now. So everyone's tuning in to find out like what's happening with this. So I was like, whoa. And then... And then I just like buried that in my heart.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
This is something that is real in Atlanta. And then I was talking to like the next big, whoa, again, telepathy tapes was not out yet. I met a minister in Arizona who had like the largest youth, like special needs youth ministry or something. And I was on Zoom with him because he was like, found out about the telepathy and found out about these gifts.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And there was a person in his congregation who could predict the future and see things happening in other spaces in the world. And he was just, you know, I think we were connecting to be like, OK, yeah, you've seen this. OK, let's talk about this. And he was kind of going through his list of what he's witnessed with the individuals in his ministry.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And one of the things he said to me was, I was on Zoom the other day with another young individual, another individual from Minnesota, getting these two to connect. And they start talking about something called the hill. They go to this place called the hill. Have you ever heard about this? And I almost fell out of my chair. And then maybe like a few months after that, I was talking to a teacher.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And she goes, you know, some of my students, have you ever heard about this? They talk about going to some place called the hill. And one of them says he goes there to learn about time travel. And the other one likes to talk about someone from Norway who talks about the bees and beekeeping and bee stuff. And at that point, I mean, my head is exploding, just like, wow. Wait, it's like real?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Then we can account for precognition or telepathy. And it's not that big of a change. It's just flipping kind of the order of the pyramid. And I think that makes a lot of sense. And so there's been a lot of scientists who have looked into near-death experience research, who've looked into the research around telepathy, who've looked into the research around precognition.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like, geez, you know. And then there's a father in Israel who I have talked to a lot about this over the years. And he's kept really good track, too, of like how telepathy has been buried in the spelling community and in the education community and what's been going on and how teachers are being fired. So he's fascinating.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But one of the things he told me, he's like, oh, yeah, we have a separate hill in Israel where a lot of the Orthodox Jewish folks go and they have their own hill. And then I would get some emails and be like, you know, there's also a hill in Arizona and Florida. Like there's different hills. So it's a mystery. It's a magical mystery.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And I don't – and then I've also met like – after the telepathy tapes came out, one family wrote me and said, hey, my son has said he has telepathy, no doubt there, but he can only do it with people in the room. But he's never been to the hill. How does he get to the hill? And I thought, I don't know. I guess ask another non-speaker who maybe can –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
teach you how to like dial into the right frequency you know I'm not exactly sure how that works but it I it's really it's it's awesome you know now is there one hill or is there many hills I think there's a few hills
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And in fact, that's one of the storylines in the film that I'm really excited about. Like one of the subjects is a young girl who's always felt pretty isolated. You know, it's hard sometimes to make friends if you're not able to communicate school or whatever. So But she was bringing up names and has brought up names that her mom was like, you know, they're not in her school.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
They're not in our periphery. They're not in any of our social stuff. And then once the telepathy tapes came out, these Facebook groups sprang up of families that were kind of going through the stuff. And in that process, she found, I think, like four of these individuals that her daughter was saying she was really good friends with on the Hill.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. And so we've corroborated all these points in this girl's life.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Whoa. Of course. You have to imagine, for everyone in this world, all the families that I'm close to and teachers and therapists and stuff, It's still remarkable. So anytime someone says something, we will try to validate it. Like, this person just said they saw this person on the hill. Can you validate they were there? And then, oh, my gosh, yes. What did they talk about?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
This was said and this was said. Hey, this person says that person is on the hill and talking about blank. Oh, yeah, I can verify that that person teaches about that on the hill. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
like it's not like anyone is taking any of this just in stride like we just you know I think there's still that human nature like you're talking about that like even the parents and teachers and me and the people on the front lines of this are still always trying to validate it like this happened was that true did you get that same thing and then there's that moment of like oh my god like that's happening with all of us all the time too that mind-blowing wow that just you know bore out it's remarkable when it happens that the hill thing is next level
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And said, we can't dismiss this. This is happening. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence here. There's a lot of things that add up. So we're going to start the Academy of Post-Materialist Sciences where we will take this stuff seriously and we will look at the research and we will advance science.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. But I mean, just like, you know, someone named this cup and we're all calling it cup. Right. I think like it just spreads.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, I've asked people that. And one individual is like, it just feels more like a hill of thoughts. Like, just this mound of just thoughts and energy and being.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, we're working on that for the film. That's like why we have these two graphics non-speaker advisors so they can work to make us understand what it looks like to them. And then once actually once the telepathy tapes was done, I started releasing something called the talk tracks where we like keep going with answering some of the questions.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And one of them was this young man who reached out after episode two and he's like, I want to.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
help or volunteer for you and i was like go work with some non-speakers that's going to be the best thing in the world and he witnessed the telepathy right away he witnessed a few other things and he ends up in the first talk tracks episode getting to the hill and his story is really beautiful as to how as a neurotypical man he was able to do that but people need to listen to it because it's really cool so he figured out how to get to the hill yeah yeah and what does he describe it as
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, he said it's divinely protected, that there seems to be... Divinely? Mm-hmm. There seems to be, like, some sort of guide there that, like, you can't just go in, like, Halliburton can't go rip it off, you know? Like, there's, like... Like, it seems to be guarded and that only people with good intentions can go. And I think... I mean, I hope people don't try to start going there.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's, like, one of the pains, actually, for me is that, like, oh, and putting this out there, like... But I do think the non-speakers are in charge there. It's their space. It's a beautiful space. And I don't think anyone can just get let in. You have to really be.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I tend to believe that there needs to be quite a few funerals, but I think in like 50 to 100 years – The scientists that were gripping on to the materialist paradigm, I really believe that that's going to be kind of like the flat earthers in the future. Like I think the scientists doing this are on the right side of history because you have to account for it.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Open, but not just open, but have a good, good intention.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, the reason his story is so beautiful. So, again, he's in episode one of the talk tracks. And what happened is he was diagnosed with a really rare autoimmune disease and then stage four cancer. And he kind of realized, like, if I need to save my life, I'm going to die if I don't learn to, like, think, control my thoughts. And he was able to cure himself.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And he sent me scans, and the cancer's almost all gone. But I think that attention to thought and how thought can change your world and dictate what happens in your world – He really did something in his brain that allowed him to live in that mental space. And I think that helped him. I think that really helped him get to the hill. I mean, he talks about more about how he got there.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it took a few times. And for him, it was all audible. It felt like static and certain voices. But then he said he did a few tests like there was a... Um, one of the students he works with, he's like, I knew exactly who it was and I could hear their voice. I just knew it was their voice, even though I've never heard their voice, but I just knew it was their energy. I just knew it was them.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And he's like, so I gave a test and I said, I'm going to tell you this person's name and this person's name and this person's name. And, you know, gave them kind of a bunch of information. And so when I see you next, you need to tell me this stuff. And then when he saw that person next, they, they wrote it, they spelled it out for him.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. So I do think the people experimenting with this have their own deep desire to get it right and try to validate stuff, you know. It's hard just to take on face value. How do you know if it's real or if it's in your own mind?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And I think the thing I hear the most, right, is people are afraid of their thoughts being out there.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Exactly. Clean your brain out. You're not gonna be afraid of that, right?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Because when people say that, I do, because... I mean, we all have certain stuff that, like, who cares if someone knows us that way? It all happens to us, right? Like, you're worried about having something in your teeth or something or, like, you accidentally pass gas and whatever. Like, I mean, that type of stuff, I think, who cares? That's just being human, right?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But when people are, like, that terrified, it's like, what the hell is going on with you?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I do think you have some control over it, though. And again, I can only go off of what I've heard from others. But like one of the teachers who's been just she's been such an advocate and fighter in this world for years trying to point to this. And she said the first experience she ever had.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
around maybe not the first but one of the most cementing experiences was she was going to go visit a former student class and the night before this is wild the night before she went out and picked like Swedish fish and you know some donuts and you know I forgot what else pretzels or something and so she comes in to give him his favorite snacks and And forgot them in the car.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
But she went and she sat with him and talked with him. And right before she was leaving the classroom, he took out a pen and drew, like, a donut, a fish, you know, and kind of drew the things that she – and it, like, rattles her to her core. Like, he knew what she was thinking the night before.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And now that he's, you know, graduated, she still works with him just on a volunteer basis for the sheer joy of just being with him. And she asked him years later, how did you do that? And, and, and he like, were you remote viewing through me? And how did you know at that moment? And he's like, well, once you were thinking of me, that was like my invitation to come in.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like, I won't just crash into someone's thoughts. It's like, I have to be kind of invited in by like, you know, like the thought. Yeah. So so I do think that there's a way to kind of control it. And I know that the teacher that was having the student jump into her brain a lot, the younger man, she said, like, you need to stop that.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like, if I will invite you in when I want you, but you can't just come into my mind whenever that's not appropriate, you know. And and so I think every individual is an individual. Right. I mean, how this stuff works and is probably different for each person. But I don't necessarily think.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, what many spellers have told me is like good, good energy allows them to swap thoughts like good juju allows them to do that. Being invited in, being open to it. It doesn't feel like they can just go into like, you know, the person running for Senate's thoughts and be like, ah, actually, you didn't fund them, you know.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. But here's the thing too, right? It's like, again, I think most, almost every non-speaker I've met, their concern is love, unity, right? And so if your thoughts are other people and your thoughts are loving and about unity, it's not scary then for other people to be reading your thoughts. You're going to be caring about other people, hopefully.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
I would say what I have found, and even talking to scientists about this, that the baseline for this is love. There's a wonderful neuroscientist named Julia Mossbridge, and she has studied precognition. And one of the things she does in these precognition tests is be like, how much unconditional love do you feel for yourself, for other people, for the device you're taking this test on?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And the more people feel love, the better they do. And one of the things that I've heard from so many non-speakers with disabilities that the baseline is love. that love, love, love is like the thing that unlocks this stuff.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
So, and that was, yeah, very specific. Anything that unifies. Yes.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I mean, but you go back to like all the ancient religious teachers and thoughts, right? So much of it's about love and unity and we're all one and you might not realize this, but we're all one. And, you know, it's been interesting, like there's a big question mark right now on how to do these tests and how to prove it. And when I brought that up to a few non-speakers...
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
one of the questions is like, why do you need to prove this with instruments? Like the biggest spiritual gift, the most fascinating one is love that will cause someone to jump into choppy waters and save someone and risk their own life. It's had mothers like have so much adrenaline, they could lift up a car and save their baby. Like love is the superpower. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And it's like, that's, it's just, it's true. And they're like, why aren't you trying to measure love? Yeah. And it's like, okay, good point. But still, people want to measure telepathy.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then that brings up the question of, like, of, okay, well, is it best to do it, like, in a lab situation that can be really stressful, that can be filled with a lot of skeptical people and throwing that energy at you? Or is it better just to go into your environment, take off the lab coat, learn to spell, go check this out? And you think of, like...
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
really good scientists like Jane Goodall, who when she wanted to understand a culture of how the chimps were working, she didn't bring them into her lab. She went and lived in the jungle for months. Or you want to go look at the lightning bugs that light up in unison in Vietnam. I don't know if that's going to work out for you if you bring them back to Berkeley and put them in a cement building.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
You probably have to go sit in the jungle and wait for them to light up in unison. So it's like... Is it smart to be trying to test the stuff in our way, in our labs? Or is it better to be like, I'm going to go chill out with you in your living room and see how this works?
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I think about this a lot, like the skeptics, because, again, like I've said, the families and teachers, the people who people are like, let's just move the science forward. We know what's happening. We know now we need to know how, not why. Right.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And and I've thought about like how skeptics can hold back that research and science and like how much time do you give to them versus like just move on without them and.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I was thinking about in the term of like in the olden days, right, like a voyager was going out to discover new worlds and people, you can't go find something that worth is flat and you're going to fall off of it or out there is a blah, blah, blah, blah. And someone comes back and it's like discovered Iceland, let's say. And it's like, oh, my gosh, you would not believe it.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like geysers are coming out of the earth and there's black stone beaches and black sand beaches and northern light, you know, whatever they're explaining. And they come back and some people are like, oh. wow, let's go explore it and find out more and draw things of it. And some people might be like, don't go with them. Don't go. Don't even try it. They're making it up. It's not real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That couldn't exist. You're going to die if you go. And I feel like the scientists or the skeptics now are those people on the shore being like, there is no Iceland. Don't go look. You're going to blah, blah, blah. And it's like that's such a it's such a weight to forwarding thought and research. And this is such a cool, exciting new frontier.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. I mean, if you're only skeptical, you're a closed-minded believer is what you are. You're not open-minded. You're as dogmatic as the next person who just believes their beliefs and won't look any further. This is it. Right. That's not skeptical. Right. Well, that's atheists.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. But I would say— I mean, I would say I'm skeptical. Every time I hear something new, I'm like, can it be? That's gotta be. Like, we gotta go test this. I don't know. We gotta find, okay, we gotta test it four or five more times. But like, be an open-minded skeptic. Like, that's the only way you'll get to Iceland.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, yes, I think having some degree of skepticism can be good. Emotional intelligence can be good. I think it's objectivity.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. Exactly. And I think that's what has happened with like materialism being such a for years is that anyone who believed in anything would be made to feel silly. Right. Oh, you're so gullible or you're not smart. Like intellectual people certainly don't believe in ghosts or God or whatever. And, you know, put anything in there that you can't measure. Right. Yeah, exactly. The secret.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And so that's been effective. No one wants to be ridiculed and dismissed and made to feel silly. I mean, even editing the podcast, like, I was so certain. I'm like, okay, well, episodes one through four, there's a lot of science. This is great. The one that took me weeks, like, I was in turmoil over was having to, like, put out into the world that, like, the teachers were hearing telepathy back.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I think anytime you're pushing the status quo, there's going to be pushback, of course, you know, but I think the overwhelming amount of emails that we've gotten from families and others that have a non-speaking child have been, you know, so excited that this news is finally out there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Because I'm like, no one's going to believe this. It's just so hard. But it's like, you can't censor it. It's what people's experience is. And the whole point was to, like, put out the voices of people who have been completely dismissed and ignored. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's interesting because I saw my best friend for college this morning and her husband was there and he was like, why is it so many women in the podcast that have telepathy? Like, can dads do it and whatever? And I was like, in fact, the first person Dr. Powell tested the telepathy test with, this girl was adopted and she had the best telepathic bond with her father, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I know a young man in Israel whose best telepathic bond is with his father and another, you know. So, yes, it does happen with dads. But I think there's more women who go into teaching and more women that do caregiving. Right. And so that's probably why it looks like more women. But I don't think it's like a gendered thing that mostly women have this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, I think it's whoever is in that like loving, open.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, and I just I always think about like the impact you're gonna leave behind. Like, what's your legacy? Like you had a big boat. I mean, who cares about that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where that comes from. I mean, I guess if you grow up really rich, maybe that's it. Or maybe if you grew up without anything.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, it just makes me wonder if, like, people believe there was more, right? Like, if it wasn't just, like, you've got this one shot and you're just gonna hear and, like, tackle the numbers and be super rich and whatever, like, would making a difference and make... Because it does feel like, yay, oh, Pollyanna, like, we're gonna just, you know, yay, love each other. But, like...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
But if you really believe that there was something more, right, that like you had a higher purpose here, that you were more than just your body. I think, I mean, I think if you believe that to some degree, you're going to act differently. You're more focused on difference than acquiring numbers of money.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I mean, and even if you just basic it down, right, like this room, what came first, the room or the thought of the room? Everything in this room. It was a thought first.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's just, yeah, it just doesn't fill you up. I think it empties you out more, really, in the end.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, yeah. I was just thinking about that, what you're saying, and I was thinking, God, but then every four years the aliens would be like, oh, but then they pass a torture on the world, and they go and they compete in games. And the whole... And for like one small two-week period, they're all playing these games against each other.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then they like put the torch out and go home and put medals around.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Everything. Right. Everything on our planet was a thought first.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I think, like, if you can achieve something that makes you feel really good about yourself, right? I think there is a worth in that to seem beautiful.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And that's, like, where sports can come in, right? That, like, the underdog can win and you can work together and blah, blah. Like, that's worth stuff. I think that's, like, really beautiful. You create something that's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Just buying something is not cool. I mean, that's right. I mean, just what does that do? That's not cool. Like creating something is cool.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Because kids, they love the YouTube videos now. My son will watch Hot Wheels. People being like, this new Hot Wheels. And he wanted to make these Hot Wheels things. And I'm like, what is happening right now? You're basically doing an ad for Hot Wheels. I would have never wanted to watch kids unbox Hot Wheels. Or Barbies or whatever. None of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I don't know. I hope it will be a pendulum because when you brought up television, I thought, well, that replaced the dance hall, right? People used to go dance and hang out before there's television. Like you'd be out doing something and how cool, you know, or go out to the diner. But they also thought the world was flat. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, and that is what is cool about the world we're living in right now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Because like YouTube and Twitter or X or, you know, whatever, Blue Sky, all the things, podcasts. I mean, people are free to kind of speak and talk.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
But, you know, I mean, there is a democracy to information now where I think like stuff that could never have gotten out there 20, 30 years ago when the gatekeeping of, like you were saying, advertising and all that was so extreme. It's just changed. And that's awesome.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. I mean, that's how this whole podcast started, I think.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
right and cool things too great music and yeah so many things get ex they get shared like your show got shared to me i don't remember who shared it to me because so many people did yeah because i don't remember who the first person was yeah well and i think that's the thing that is cool right we actually have like evidence of what this like democratization of information looks like like the uip phenomenon has become so much more mainstream people are talking about it like things that could not have been shared or spoken are now out there same with
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, I was reading that book, Big Magic. I don't know if you've read that book. No. It's wonderful. Yeah. well, I guess I should back, you know, I was doing a lot of documentary work that was on social issues, right? That was all like fixing broken things in our great country. And then I had a few deaths in my own life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
psychedelics and psilocybin and you know going on ketamine trips or whatever like all that now is just common knowledge that this can be great for healing ptsd or you know depression or whatever the stuff with telepathy you know i mean channeling whatever it is like all these things especially tiktok you're like holy cow this is so i'm glad you brought the uop thing up i hate to interrupt you but because i think a lot of the what we're hearing is nonsense
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I thought, my gosh, whatever I do next, I want to fix what's broken in humans, because I was in a complete topsy turvy thing of how do these great people that are heroes, you know, a police officer going in and saving someone, my other friend was taking care of They're unhoused in Kansas City, and how do they die?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So I was going through my own just like kind of grief process and thinking whatever I do next, I don't want to look anymore. I was humbled to do that work of broken social systems. I want to fix what's broken in humanity and figure out what that is. But anyway, I was reading Big Magic, and this is a book about how ideas by Elizabeth Gilbert, how ideas –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right, exactly. There's a lot of those people out there. There are, yeah. And it's clickbait and it's this and their profit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
No, but the true intellectual people is looking at the consciousness side of this. I think it's fascinating. That's what's like... What's going on here?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. It's a conscious. I mean, that's why, you know, I wasn't into the UAP stuff until people started saying to me, like, you should at least start looking at some of these great thinkers because a lot of this has to do with consciousness. And what are we and why are we here? And like, what's a hyper object? Right. Like a lot of stuff that I'm like, what is going on?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So you start reading about it and understanding, OK, like. Where things might converge is an exploration of consciousness.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
direction book of how to be a human right you know or what we're just limited to by our vision right like if you were to talk to a dog and be like hey there's does this dog know about calculus and does it know about like right the you know whatever electoral college of course not like there's no way there's no universe in which a dog would know about that stuff but it could smell a cat four blocks away exactly you ever see a cat dog just like this no
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Well, and that's like, we don't have that. But like a dog doesn't have X, Y, Z. What are we living in? We might not be able to see half of what's there or conceive of it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. And was it physically someone contacted you or was it in a mental space, right? Like, were you in this thought world? Like, almost you were astral traveling or whatever, right? Like, I mean, that's the question, too, is can you be experiencing something in your mind that's not happening physically?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I think that question pervades in the UAP world as well as in this, like, telepathy world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
are outside of us because the creative process is it comes to you and they're you know it's wonderful in the book they talk about songwriters who heard her song and if you don't grab it you'll hear that same song on the radio or or just how a story will come to you fully formed and uh one of the kind of topics that comes up in that book too is you don't ask the creative whatever this god muse ether right to to um to give this to you tell it i'm going to do this with you it's going to be great
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That's got to be it, right? You look like a big monster.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And doesn't it look like art? I mean, it really is like an elaborate dance.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It's telepathy. I mean, one of the teachers that I've come to love so much, and she was also in England, she said that the first time she realized something like this was going on, she was working at a school where individuals weren't speaking. And she saw people of, like, a bunch of her class playing at recess. And she's like, it was a fully orchestrated game.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Like, this one needed to go here, and this one needed to go here, and they were doing this and that. And she's like, but they weren't speaking. And I was watching this through the classroom window, and I thought, they are communicating through telepathy. Because how else do, this is a huge organized game. And she watched over and over again.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then she thought in her head, like, I want to be in on this. I want you all to teach me. I want to get in on this. And then one of the boys started, she'd start hearing him in her head, like if he had fallen down outside or couldn't find his lunch money or, you know, something happened.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
skinned his knee and she would hear him and like would know where to go find him and she was like oh my gosh like he's this is starting to work and then yeah and then like one of the students um mothers died and she became and the mother said to this teacher i want you to really take care of my son as he ages he loves you like he he really respects you and she's done that his whole life
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And now, you know, he's a grown adult and they still communicate. But she's like, now he communicates with me telepathically. I'll get these huge visual packages. And she's like, and sometimes I think, first, did this come from me? Am I making this up? But it'll be like an update on someone from, you know, that they knew both 20 years ago.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
And she'll be like, that can't be that this guy is a lay priest. He was so unreligious or whatever. There'll be something that makes no sense. And she'll go look it up on Facebook and it proves to be true. Yeah. You know, she'll constantly have to double check things. And she... Yeah. I mean, so it's remarkable. But I do not doubt that the wolves are probably using telepathy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And so I said that out loud. I was reading this book. I was in this moment of just major shift in my life. And I said, whatever I do next, I want to solve the question of where we're going and why we're here and what it all means. And do we have a consciousness? And does it survive? And then... And no, I actually didn't ask it. I said, yeah, I said, I'm going to do this next.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Same thing with teachers that have been witnessing, like you said, for witnessing this in classrooms and in their homes for decades, you know, and When facilitated communication first came to America, it was the 90s. What does that mean, facilitated communication? Okay. Maybe we should back up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That's really interesting. I'd like to learn more about that. That's fascinating.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And I didn't know what it was going to look like. But then started reading, you know, all the things I got in consciousness, tree communication and about near-death experiences and Ian Stevenson's work and all sorts of things. And then I heard a podcast with Dr. Diane Hennessey Powell, who was amazing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, if he believes it works, then that's like – sometimes the act of faith is more important than the fact of it, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
A Harvard, you know, Johns Hopkins educated, you know, taught at Harvard scientist who was saying that non-speakers that she'd tested had demonstrated a remarkable ability for telepathy and reading minds. And that was like, boom, like lightning just kind of hit like this is the thing. And I really believe if something's intended for you, it won't miss you, you know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. You're walking into an environment you're supposed to lose in if you're hunting an animal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, it's just because it's so it's so I mean, it is so tactical, not just like the physicality of it and the wind and the environment, but just like the mental, you know, strategy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
But I think that concept of big magic was a bit of that of asking, telling the...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Right. Yeah. What a boring way to live life. Gosh. I can't imagine working in an office. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a pendulum shift. I mean, the whole world is opening up right now. Right. I mean, there's just like so much is happening. I think that people are challenging these preconceived old fat. Oh, I might have some coffee now.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Really? Okay, I'll bring it home. That's cool. So, I can't wait to taste your coffee. See how strong it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Okay. I think there's three things, right? I think for one, like baseline for people to presume competence in non-speaking individuals or someone who can't control their body. Don't think just because they can't speak doesn't mean they can't think. That they're not there.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
They're not in there, right. And then I think the second one is certainly to try to get spelling validated in schools, right? it's almost like telepathy in a way, operated as a Trojan horse to get people to acknowledge and notice these incredible individuals and just take note and help them.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So I think getting spelling validated and affirmed and make it accessible in schools, that would be the next thing. And then I think the third thing is, I mean, truly a paradigm shift. I mean, I want people to know, because I've come to what I feel like is believe this, right, that there is a non-physical world that's real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Our idea that consciousness is at the tippy top, that's the result of this physical world, I think is incorrect. I think consciousness is at the bottom of it and started everything. And with that in mind, consciousness then, there's so much more possible. It can survive our body. We can communicate without our bodies. We can see into the future, maybe into the past.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
I mean, whatever it is, anything mental, we're capable of. And that helps us explain a lot more. So The paradigm shift, I think, is really cool if it can happen. And a lot of people have been working toward that. I mean, so I'm just like a tiny bit in a large puzzle of huge giants have come before me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
But I think that if this is going to help more people just be aware of the system of what is called, again, like this materialism, which is the idea that only what's real can be observed and measured. If we can get people to realize they're living in that system, that system was constructed and it's not necessarily the truth.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So don't be embarrassed to talk about stuff, to research stuff, to ask a question. You shouldn't be ridiculed and dismissed just because the system tells you you should be.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
No, I mean, I think like a lot of people, like the idea of mediums and psychics, it felt like people that are often trying to just make money off of people in really vulnerable situations. And I've always believed certainly there's got to be people who have certain gifts like that, you know, but that the vast majority couldn't be trusted or, you know, I didn't think telepathy could be real.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. But this is what I will say because I actually had a friend that when I was sort of like –
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
going through my own thing she was just like just if you just start reading about some of the stuff just reading it you'll find what you're looking for like there's so much there whether if you start reading about near-death experiences or ian stevenson or tom campbell and any of this stuff it's just like and and the reason people are researching this right like it's not like this just happened this has been going on for a
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So we just started working on the doc. I'm hoping that will be done and wrapped up early next year. Maybe we'll premiere it south by. We'll be back, hopefully. I mean, who knows? And so after that, then we're going to do an impact campaign where you take a documentary around and you – screen it with a panel. So that'd be cool.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It'll be non-speakers and, you know, we can get people from the Department of Education there or whatever in different cities. And then hopefully that will make an impact, get people into the rooms talking, do whatever. And then after that, we have a really long-term goal where we want to try to work with like a few foundations or maybe start a foundation to open centers.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
that can if you can imagine something maybe like kind of like the size of an REI in every city where non-speakers can go and get like physical and mental and spiritual supports and spelling help and education or whatever you know there's physical therapy that can help and for respite care for these parents who are working 24-7 to take care of these individuals and it could just be a beautiful thing but then there's so many academics to what you kind of noted earlier like that might want to work with non-speakers who might want to
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
can you help me decode whale language or figure out how to stop blanching the coral reefs or whatever?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So if there's, you know, I know non-speakers who want to work in plant medicine, who want to work in this, who want to work in X, Y, Z. But I think the most important thing is these centers maybe could vet those individuals, make sure these academics learn to become a spelling, to communicate partner and be background checked to make sure they don't have some nefarious goal.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
And then this could maybe create... opportunities for spellers to make money, to have a career, to really contribute in these meaningful ways. So that's our goal is to create these centers that can both nourish and support non-speakers and their families, but also allow non-speakers to engage and use their intellect and abilities to have meaningful careers.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. Yeah. And in history, too, people would look at deaf people or blind people before and think they're not in there, especially deaf people. It was just like, oh, they must not be in there. No one thinks that anymore. It's ridiculous to think that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
You know, but we're doing the same thing to this population. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there are some of the most brilliant individuals that I've ever met. And actually, I talked to a teacher right before I left here today. And I said, she was talking about her student she just had a conversation with. She said, in middle school or whatever, high school, what did you learn that whole time?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
That seems impossible. Yeah. It just seems impossible. Even things like plant communication felt impossible. I mean, none of that was something that was like my worldview. I was working on solving problems around paid family medical leave and making health insurance more affordable and accessible.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
What did you learn in school? Well, he was being taught like he was little. And what he answered was patience. Yeah. I mean, just so beautiful, so wise. Right. He wasn't crapping on it like I learned nothing. They kept telling me animal colors and this and whatever. Like it wasn't anger. It was I learned patience. Wow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Because us, you know, our stupid system that has made these individuals out to be like they're not smart. Right. Has taught them, has failed them when it comes to education. So I just thought that was a beautiful answer. And so, so in line with how wise and kind and thoughtful so many non-speakers I've met are.
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#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah, wonderful. I'll bring some parents with me. I'll bring a non-speaker with me so you can see it. I'm going to bring Katie and Houston, and your mind's going to go.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
It was not my cup of tea, really, which was kind of great because as I tumbled into this world, I mean, I was really wide-eyed as like, wait a second, have I been wrong about everything? And that's kind of where it ended up was like I had to go revisit everything I ever thought about the world because I started realizing our entire paradigm is wrong. I mean, or a lot of it is.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Yeah. So after I heard the interview with Dr. Diane Hennessy Powell, I, you know, I zoomed with her and then asked if I could go see her and meet her and talk about this a bit, you know, because I thought this could be the next project. And I just knew it was going to be the next project. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
Sure, sure, sure. I mean, so I wonder, okay, so what the podcast is about are non-speaking individuals who tend to have apraxia, which is a mind-body disconnect. Okay. And those individuals cannot speak with, you know, using their voice. Speaking is a fine motor skill, whereas pointing to letters is a gross motor skill.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
So one of the first things I had to do was I was like, can you just tell me about some of the emails that come in from parents? I had to just kind of go through reading some emails from parents. And it was one after the other. Like, I didn't believe this and I didn't believe my wife. I didn't believe my husband that this could be possible. But we've tested it. We've tested it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2279 - Ky Dickens
People were sending tests. And I thought, OK, whatever is going on here, these parents don't know that any other parents are going through this. They think a singular miracle is happening in their home, that this child can read their thoughts. And that this is where the story is, that there's so many parents who haven't been listened to.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
But for those of you who need a refresher or just a clean introduction, Susie, why don't you tell us a bit about yourself?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Yes, yes, yes, yes. So, so important. And another concern I've heard from parents or teachers is that sometimes their child will be explosive as far as their communication goes, right?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
They're open, they're communicating a lot on their letterboard or talker, and then something will happen and it's like they digress and they go into a period of just deep withdrawal and what I call cold communication, where it's almost like the progress just ceases. And I've received the question about, you know, how do I help my speller start communicating again?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And I'm not an expert in that, but you are. You would answer that question.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And I'd also love for you to talk about the external factors in a parent's life, right? Like if they're having job stress or marital problems or about of low self-esteem or something else that can also impact from what I've experienced, openness around spelling or an inability to regulate. Is that something you'd like to speak to?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Gosh, that's so true. And we don't do it just with our kids, right? You do it with your spouse or partner or coworker. And I know for me, I do not like it at all when someone tells me they're doing great and I can tell they're not. And in a very subtle way, it can harm that relationship because there's that bit of like, you're not telling me the truth.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And even if it's on a micro scale, it affects you.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
They're really good at it. And another question that comes up a lot from parents and siblings is, am I capable of telepathy? Can I unlock a telepathic relationship with my child, right? Spelling is amazing and beautiful, and I want every single individual who has apraxia to be on boards, but is telepathy accessible for all of us?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Yeah, and one of the most delightful messages my team gets nowadays is that a parent or teacher will write and say, oh my gosh, I listened to the telepathy tapes with my child, or my student listened to the tapes, and now they're opening up about disability. And we tested it, and sure enough, they can do it too. They can read minds.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And I think there's a truth to knowing that if someone is receptive and open to all of you in your full authenticity, and you won't be mocked or dismissed or laughed at or even at worst feared, you're much more willing to explore something with someone and be open about it and show those parts of you. Would you agree with that?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
One of the most confounding things that I've found over the past few years is that teachers seem to be more effortlessly able to engage in this two-way telepathy than parents. And I wonder if you've noticed that and why it might be. And if it has something to do with just the natural, intense, emotional expectations that we put on kids, right?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Like if I'm watching one of my kids play in a basketball game, and they're not boxing out or going for the rebound. I'm having an agonizing experience internally. But if another kid's not doing that, I don't care. I think, oh, well, they're five, of course. They're just learning. But with my kid, I won't necessarily let my kid know, but I'm definitely like, oh, gosh, why?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
completely verbal he was you know communicative and purposeful in his verbalizations and has been ever since and susie you know when i think about your gifts it's really about how effectively you've helped non-speakers or those with apraxia which for those new to this that's people with a mind body disconnect how you've helped them integrate their body and their mind
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And so could that be why just this thing that parents drape over our children unknowingly? Because it seems like in order to get to that space, you have to be totally empty and free and clear without any attachment or expectation.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Yeah. And Susie, one of the things that led me to you was your incredible book, Awesomism. And for those who haven't read it, how would you explain your book, Awesomism, in your own words? And what are some of your favorite takeaways from the book?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And if someone wanted to have a private consultation or sign up for a workshop or do one of the group lessons that you offer, how would they find you?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Yeah, that's a great resource. So any closing thoughts, Suzy? What do you want to leave us with?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And you know, we're getting on our side hundreds of emails from parents wanting to support their children who are really dysregulated or having a hard time, you know, controlling their bodies. But one of the things I love is that many of the supports and tools that you suggest can help all of us. Everything you've ever said that can help the non-speakers is really true just for any human being.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Well, thank you so much, Susie, for your wisdom and your gifts and the ways that you are continuing to impact the world. And that's it for this episode of the Talk Tracks, but we'll be back a week from Sunday. And in our next episode, we'll explore precognitive abilities and the nature of time and even time travel.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
So stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones, that knit together our reality. Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Original music was created by Elizabeth PW. Original logo and cover art by Ben Kandor Design. The audio mix and finishing by Ben Campofrida.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
So before we jump in to some of the tips and wisdoms and tools that you can share, I'm just curious what type of questions you've been getting or how your life may have been impacted since the release of the telepathy tapes.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And the reason that's really interesting to me is that you've kind of known about this information for decades and you've been helping thousands of people who've known about it as well. So what's it like now that it's kind of, you know, out in the world?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And I know that you've said these questions don't just come from parents, but speech language pathologists and teachers and occupational therapists and that type of thing. So if you could just give some top line tips for everyone, what would they be?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
I'm Kai Dickens, and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Trax. In this series, we dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And, you know, I love that. And for me, that was actually one of my most earth shattering discoveries. I mean, of course, discovering that individuals could read minds. But more importantly, is that we're all kind of attuned to reading each other's feelings, right? Like there is this deep sense of knowing if someone is in a sad or dark or angry space, that energy, it could be like, palpable.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
If you haven't yet listened to season one of the telepathy tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
And if we can kind of clean up our own energy, it will affect everyone around us. So I just think that's such an important baseline tool for all of us. And another thing I'd love for you to talk about is in episode five of the telepathy tapes, you told the story of helping Riley to tune his, I guess, spirit self with his body self by using different tuning forks, and that he was able to
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
absorb information if he was wrapped in a color like a fabric silk. So are those things that you've seen work in other cases and that works often?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
You know, that brings up a great point because there are so many parents who are really struggling because their child is not yet on the boards or isn't communicating through spelling rights. And a lot of parents have been writing to us saying that they fear their child is too dysregulated to ever learn to spell. And they're seeing kids spelling and thinking, that's never going to be my kid.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
But the truth is that I found is that when you talk to the parents of those spellers, they'll say, oh no, that was my kid at some point as well. I never thought they could spell or they could regulate in a way to get this out. So what's your advice for those parents who fear their children might not ever be able to regulate their bodies enough to be able to communicate?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
On this episode of The Talk Tracks, I'm joined by Susie Miller, a visionary educator and pioneer in the field of multidimensional communication. As the founder of the Awesomism Practitioner Process, Susie has spent decades helping non-speakers and neurodivergent individuals unlock new ways of integrating their bodies and connecting with the world.
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
Is belief in your child or student essential for them to really spell and integrate and evolve into the person they can be?
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Talk Tracks Ep 4: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection: Suzy Miller on Regulation & The Wisdom of Non-Speakers
What I love is that her work challenges conventional assumptions about communication and takes in stride that telepathy is a baseline form of communication for all people. For those of you who listened to the telepathy tapes, Susie was a beloved guide and subject from season one.