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Okay. Joe, what's happening? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, Steve. Both you guys were in the program, which is a UFO disclosure documentary all about what's going on behind the scenes. Why don't you tell everybody before we get started? Jay, tell them what your background is, what you do.
I'm a retired master sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years, retired 2007. Started off as an airframe guy, ended up in intel, and that's when things got strange. I had my second duty assignment as an intel guy and got introduced to the program, and that's how I ended up in the movie, because I had some strange experiences that I could talk about. that were unclassified.
So I came forward and that's where James founded me. And we got along pretty good and everything's a history from there.
And, Logan, you were in the documentary as well, so tell everybody what you do.
So I am a— Pull this up to your face. I'm sorry. It's okay. So I'm also a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force. Started off as a B-52 crew chief, cross-trained into intel, retired after 21 1⁄2, and I ended up being part of the UAP Task Force, and I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people and—
From that, James found out about me and said, okay, we need to talk. So him and Leslie Keen approached me, and I was like, yeah. But I kind of got outed by Jay Stratton. Everybody was ganging up around him, and he was like, why are you asking me? Logan worked for me. And everybody went, yeah. And he's like, okay, I guess I'm out.
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