Jason Sands
Appearances
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
i know are really large and this thing is bigger than them right and i'm sitting there going well i think they mentioned one of them and that was the oil tanker one yes yeah that one confused the hell out of me and there were people saying it was just a shadow that's the one that was going 500 knots Yeah, it was going pretty quick.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But some people were saying, oh, it's just some kind of a round object. The sun is just making a large. The shadow of the moon going across the face of the earth. Somebody did another analysis, and they looked at the wavetops, and they're like, this is not a shadow. Otherwise, it would show up on the wavetops. This is under the surface.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
This thing made this oil rig out in the ocean look. It dwarfed it. I mean, this is like three or four times bigger.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I'd say in my opinion. Yes. No, in my opinion, I would say that they have been here a very long time and that underneath the ocean and underneath the ground are two of the best places to stay hidden. and out of the way of prying eyes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, where's the National Geographic documentary on that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's not going that fast. It's kind of quick like a Learjet would.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
There's like one's a holograph and one's... Right, and now there's some other imagery guy that's saying, oh, it didn't actually go in the water. It's just an artifact. Yeah, see, it splits up. Yeah, there you go. See, that's the part that you can't... And what are we seeing with the drones? Some of these are splitting, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And these are the ones that I find very curious because those are the ones that get sent, and they're like, it's an orb, but now there's three of them. How do I explain that?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I'm on Xspace mainly. Just my name, Jason T. Sands, is my moniker.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Okay. And I've got a first-hand fund. I'm trying to get further whistleblowers to come forward as well. Okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And his X-Space is also a good way. Okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
You got me. I was born in 63. This happened earlier than I even got there. I'm just trying to go off of what I heard on my missions.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And I agree. I kind of had the same thoughts. But at the same time, we've made similar stupid decisions when it comes to battles.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, I think that that's true to an extent. But I think also they're very common. They have things in common with us as well, that they do have, you know, the same sorts of desires to want to live their life well and all these other things are part of it. So, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, look at us. And this is where I think there's a commonality between us and the NHI. We're intelligent people. Some of us. Some of us, yes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Oh, yeah. It's everywhere now. Okay. Take back what I said. But actually, though, they— No, obviously we're intelligent and drunken. But they probably have a desire for entertainment, which we do have a great— Oh, yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
We love that. Yeah. And they probably have a curiosity as well.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And I have to say that on mission that I did get that feeling that no matter where the NHI were mentioned, it was not a copacetic free-for-all exchange of technologies at all. It was very controlled by the NHI. If there was a lab environment, the NHI demanded that no human be in the lab while they're there or watch what they're doing and record what they're doing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And then they would leave and then the humans could come in. So it's a very precarious little game they're playing.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I had had a childhood experience with a UFO previous to that when I was 10 years old. So I didn't really get an interest in UFOs at all. I just thought it was strange. It was also a shared experience with my mother. What was the experience? Well, it was just a red orb that came down. It looked like it came from the atmosphere, you know, distance, and then it kept approaching us.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I'd say since – I don't like calling them NHIs. I like calling them aliens. For me, again, I wasn't – I like just calling them aliens or whatever. But yeah, I think it happened in the Eisenhower days. That's when it really started to come because that's when they were saying that this UFO came to Holloman and landed and actually talked to the president at the time and all that stuff.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Multiple times. Yeah, multiple times. Yeah, mad, mad world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, imagine Elon gets to Mars and we do find life there. And we'd be so interested to figure out how it works, what makes it tick.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I mean, who knows what the fuck's in that water? I don't know. But those are the kind of things you write, though, that that's kind of how we are. It's that we're very curious about what's on that planet and how we can utilize the resources that are there, like the water and everything else. And we're going to learn some stuff. And it's going to take a long time.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
my bedroom window and ended up kind of hovering near the bottom of my street and I was screaming to my parents you know there's a strange light outside and nobody responded so I ran out to get my binoculars my dad's binoculars and ran out to the front lawn and finally my mom was the only one that responded and we both got to see it taken off as it it came across the rooftop of my friend Eddie's house at the bottom of the street and that's what she's got to see my mother and I
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Honestly, after my experience in the program, I found that it seems the more I think about it, the more that they are very much like us in a lot of ways, but they have Probably a world government that we do not have. In other words, they can get along in their own society much better than we can and their former government is not all broken up.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, there's a pattern. At atomic level, there's a way that things occur naturally, and they form different things. So a bird, I agree. I think when I talked about it the first time we spoke on the phone, it's like, yeah, there probably is a bird. It kind of looks like a bird on another part of the universe, but maybe it has two sets of wings. Right. Or two heads or something. I don't know. Right.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Did it make any noise? Zero noise. No, it just looked like a total mirror, completely polished mirror kind of oblong kind of a ship or craft. How big was it? It was about 30, 35 foot. Really? Maybe even 40 foot. Yeah, it was about half the size of my friend's rooftop, if you were to measure it from front to back. So, you know, it was pretty big.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, I would think that that's true also, is that there's exceptions to the rule, just like there are here on Earth. Right. We've got some really strange creatures that roam around, like people are starting to say octopi and stuff. They don't fit the normal way that things evolve around the Earth and stuff like that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It was enough for probably your eye to stand up in it and walk around a little bit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Wow. That makes sense because the harder shell would prevent that limb from continuing to grow.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Actually, I've been asked to write a book, so I've got her writing her part of that, and I'll have the same thing. I've had a couple of experiences that my family members and other friends will probably write up soon.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Consciously, yeah. I've had discussions about that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Basic controls? While I was talking to Jack Cerfati about it, there was a craft that did have some place where the hands were in there, but it was only to sort of do some minor adjustments for the craft, is what he was describing, and other people have described.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
There's a lot of people that are looking into it now, and they're starting to see that, yes, it's possible. And I think that's, again, some of the new whistleblowers can shed some more light on to how this happens. And I think we need to hear a little bit more about these folks that came forward about the psionics team. And what exactly is this meditation? What are they linking up with?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Does it feel mechanical? Does it feel like an entity? Because, you know, when you hear Jake talk about his experiences, he had a really spiritual experience with one of these things. While he was carrying it to the next place, he was literally crying in the interview. Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, he said that he felt – well, he called it the eight-gon, I think, craft. That one is the one he had the spiritual – Eight-gon? Eight-gon, like a hexagon, but it has eight sides, or octagon, I think would be the actual term. But he said it had like an eight-sided kind of a disc shape.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Not the egg one. This is a different one. A different one. So he encountered a different one. Oh, okay.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah. Well, the detailed one, I think you can pull that one out of there. But he mentioned that that one, he had like a real no kidding. It was beautiful. And he cried about it because it was so beautiful of an experience.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, I know it's on mission because I just kind of filed away that UFO experience at 10 years old for many years. And I just was kind of even skeptical sometimes about, well, maybe it was just something, you know, an aberration in my mind or eyes or something. But anyway, so I got really convinced that this was real when I was at Wright-Patt on a mission.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Mm-hmm. And that may be part of it. And I think that's what their desire is. Because, like, we, you know, would try to put our best foot forward if we knew that we were similarly being scrutinized. Sure. You know, we'd want to do that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But, see, that's where my fear is. That's why I came forward is that I was hearing stuff that actually brought concern that, you know, in the way I kind of – Package that up is that the military happens to be unfortunately the face of humankind here in this situation when it comes to the program because it's definitely not the public.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
We're just, you know, errantly having people come forward with I got abducted or I saw this and I saw that. But in the military, that seems to be where there is an interface going on. Right. And I'm just wondering, is that too heavy-handed because they're not seeing the full human race? Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. And that's why I kind of took the tack that I did instead of going through all the other channels. I just was like, let me try something new. Let me talk to the people and get to know the people, what they feel about this. And I'll just tell my story. Whatever happens, happens. Yeah, I took some spears, but... For the most part, people are ready for this.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
When I was in the program and we intercepted some calls that literally were speaking about an NHI presence in the program and they were working in labs.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I can pretty much talk about the culture and the presence of the NHI, but I can't talk about like weapon systems and the technology they're developing. That's all going to have to be national security stuff because we don't want our enemies to know what we got.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, it was between two people that were talking about the day's interview with this NHI that they had. They called it Eben. And interview. Yeah. He had had an interview with him and he was relaying what was talked about in that interview to another individual, probably his boss or somebody that is going to, you know, pass it on to the rest of the folks in the group or whatever.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah. And personally, from just my belief in it is that we have millennia of these sorts of encounters all through manuscripts. Even George Washington's got his story. George Washington has a story? Yeah. He met a green somebody before he actually went into a battle.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, but I remember... Well, they didn't know.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Do you see this written down? I did not. I had it recorded just like you would with anything else that's, you know, it's recorded in such a way that it can stand legal forensic kind of analysis. That's the level of stuff that you have to do with an Intel guy is you have to be really specific about what you're recording and make sure it's accurate.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I'm a retired master sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years, retired 2007. Started off as an airframe guy, ended up in intel, and that's when things got strange. I had my second duty assignment as an intel guy and got introduced to the program, and that's how I ended up in the movie, because I had some strange experiences that I could talk about. that were unclassified.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And it's the same thing that's happening on X and other platforms as well. It's just people coming forward trying to speak their truth. And they get shut down by people that have never been there. They're just opinionating. Sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And it's a personal experience, really. Yeah. And it's the same thing with, I think, the NHI is that, like you're saying, you'd like to put a pattern to it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But maybe there's not. There's some, you know, very random things that have happened in other encounters. But there's some of them that do seem to have a concerted effort, a prolonged effort for maybe even millennia. Because we do see, like, old stone, ancient, you know, monuments and monoliths that do have these depictions of what look exactly like Gray's. Yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Even whether you believe it or not, what's going on, you have to be able to transcribe that word for word the way it goes.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
There's a couple of places where that is. There's a couple of those cave paintings that are like that. Where are those from? Do you remember? I think there's some down in South America.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, and there was one on the side of a hillside or a cliff face. Yeah, that's why it freaked you out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, it was an active phone call. That's what I did on the red team that I was on for the program because I was monitoring for the Air Force. And in this case, I'm monitoring for the program.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Isn't that the Anasazi and the Navajo? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
You got them in Ireland, Europe. You got them in the United States, Central America, everywhere.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, it was reddish purple or something like that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They had horns. There was a very specific thing that they said.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, there was quite a few times. We had a scientist on the team. There was an officer. He was a nuclear scientist, and he was able to give us some insights and stuff like that because we'd have some really strange things like, Things that were turning at 90 degrees and how do you not break that piece of machinery or not kill the occupants? And we were hearing stuff like that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And they had like very technical parameters that I cannot discuss. But they were talking about these and we'd get the scientists to come and talk to us and they'd say, oh, yeah, that's this, this and this.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
When you get ingrandized like that, that's where you kind of have people that do that. It's just to ingrandize or enlarge themselves. Sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And with other people like the whistleblowers I know, they've pretty much given up everything like me.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Let me put it through the image analyzer.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, but you can see the tires are not resting flat like there's weight to the car.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
See, those are the things, as an analyst, you look at in the image. It's just you're looking at, you know, things like that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's the decals to me. But everything looks pretty fucking good. Yes. Well, yeah, it looks good, but there's just little details that your mind is picking up on going, eh, it's not quite right.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That's one of the litmus tests I give people when they, you know, because I have a lot of people that ask me, can you vet this guy? He says he's had an encounter. And then I kind of go through the experience because, you know, the one that I had in the desert, there was a telepathic kind of a thing that happened during that conversation I had with that gentleman in the desert.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And there's parts of that that people have only really experienced it they actually know about.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Like the residual data that or information that's left behind in your own mind Because you're sharing a mind space and things like this and there's certain things that when I ask questions of people that you know Sometimes I can tell right then and there you weren't there, you know experience but the people that do describe it and I know that they're telling the truth and
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
There's certain characteristics about that communication type that you only get when you've been talking, no kidding, telepathically.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I don't feel special at all. I was accidental.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Just doing my job at Nellis. We had two things we did. We did the telephone monitoring. Where's Nellis? It's in Nevada. So I'm working at Nellis Air Force Base for the DET-3, and that's where the program – they have a shop of four guys. I was one of them that would go out and monitor for the program.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So anyway, the other side of my job was also doing monitoring for everybody else that wasn't in the program.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
You're actually plugging into, just like you heard, tapping, telephones, all the telecommunications type. We made sure that we listened to radios, we listened to radio waves. All that. And we gather it all in. And what we're tasked to do is, you know, say a commander at Wright-Patterson, you know, we went to do it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's always a two-week mission mostly unless it's part of an operation like Desert Storm. And you stay for a month or two and then you change out teams. But two weeks is the standard. So we go two weeks to Wright-Patterson. We gather all the information we can on all the telecommunications means.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And we also have an OSI team that's trying to sneak in the doors and get into the facilities they shouldn't be at. just to test the security. And that's all we're there for. And at the end of the day, on the last Friday, we go in and we talk to the staff. And then about 90 days later, we put in a final report and give that, again, back to the staff. And that's kind of how we rolled. So...
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
We're going up range. For those kind of things, we don't do the telephone monitoring. When we go up range to the test range at Nellis, that was what we called red forcing. And what our job was there is we were also trained to do combat ops against our own pilots so that we could help them survive in a wartime environment. And that was done at the top of Black Mountain.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And we call that a little schoolhouse there. And then if you walk up another few yards, there's really those big golf ball-looking radars or satellite dishes were up at the very top. But anyway, that's where we were heading this one day. So we all packed up. We're in Beatty, Nevada, which is the Burrow Inn. I can tell you that's where we always hold up at.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And we take off from there every morning to go do the a.m. and the p.m. push. That's what you call it when... The war is on. You call it the push. So we had one in the morning called AM push, one in the afternoon, PM push. So we were all heading up for the AM push in a convoy. There's three vehicles, probably about three to four people per vehicle. I'm in the lead vehicle with the ranking guy.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
He's driving and I'm right behind him. And then there's another gentleman in the passenger seat across from the driver. And then there's a young lady next to me. And we're all going up. And the ranking guy had been there the week before. And he had seen the craft fly by. And that one's out there on the internet. You can pull down the video. There's a report that goes along with it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
There's a video that we can watch right now? Right now, yeah. What would he search? Search for, let me think, Nellis Test Range UFO 1994. Wow. Who filmed this? This was filmed by the operators on the range because we're putting these pilots in a risky situation by playing war with them, but we're training them.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So if there is any kind of a mishap or a pilot or a plane goes down, everything needs to be recorded. So this is it right here? Yes. So this video is being taken by one of these cameras that's up on the range.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And along the bottom, you see that this is also trying to lock on to the craft so it can follow it as it goes in and out because this is the kind of way that you want to track if there's a craft that is having problems.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. So this is what the ranking guy saw.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, if it locks on, you'll see a big spike. And that means that it finally locks on. Right now it's trying to, but something is stopping it from locking on. And they think it was the craft.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. This is the video operator. So the following week after this happens, this video is taken, the ranking guy who had been there the week before and saw this thing flying, He takes us in this, when you go on the range through this one gate here, it goes up a little ways, and then there's a containment area.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's got a very small place where you can change your tires, get gas, you know, minor maintenance to get your butt home if you have a car that's busted. And then in the back of that cantonment area, there's two huts that look like campers, really, glorified campers. So the video operators are in the one that's off to the northeast of the cantonment, in the very corner of it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And the ranking guy just says, we all have to go in here. We're going to go talk to the video operators. We have to do this. And this was because the week prior, everybody came back to Garrison or back to our unit, and they had seen this thing, and they were all talking about this UFO. So we go in there, and there's the video operator.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
He has us all write our names down, whether we were there and saw it the first week or not. Then he makes us all sit down and watch that video. And he says, do you know what this is? And we're like, no. And then he just said, okay, thank you. And then after everybody that was there,
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
saw it and had wrote their name down we were allowed to leave and that was all that was required and um so i was like what was that all about but then as i'm exiting this lady that had been sitting against the wall on the far part of the uh this little hut that we were in and uh she like grabs my arm and she just says there's somebody on the range don't talk to him and she was really really freaked out
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And I'm like, thanks, strange, freaky lady. Got it. And I'm like, whatever. So we all hop out. We get in the vehicles and then start taking off towards Quartz Mountain because right at that cantonment area, there's a hard right. There's a hard right that goes off to Quartz Mountain. And about a mile, half a mile to a mile down that road, it's all dirt road up, by the way, there's this guy.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It looks like he's wearing a uniform like we are.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
got battle dress uniform on um so he's he's sees us and he starts to look like he's running and he's got this really weird run like his arms are kind of flailing behind him it's like he was running against the hurricane wind and it was like he was going to fall over at any time and i was like yeah it's a bit windy today but it ain't that bad so it looked really strange and then i began to notice his skin tone looked like he might be hypothermic and i'm thinking oh crap this dude's been out here it's freaking freezing out here
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Because it was a very cold day and the wind was blowing. It was, you know, those cold days where it didn't matter how many layers you had on. And so as we're getting closer, I'm talking to the ranking guy. Hey, we need to slow down. So anyway, I'm thinking this guy's probably in big trouble. I need to pull off my jacket. I need to give him something to get warm.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That was just like the two of them when I picked up the call and started the recording on it. There was some guy that was there at Right Pat, and apparently he had been talking to this Eben. And he said, yeah, today's session, yeah, we've got some more information you need to hear about. This is what is going to happen.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So I'm starting to do that, and we're approaching, and by the time I get my jacket most of the way off, he's right there at the corner of the front of the car.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
He looked like an albino with a very bluish kind of undertone.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, because that's all I could equate it to. And then as I'm starting to open my door to try to administer aid to this guy, the dude in the front passenger seat screams he's got no ears. And I thought that was pretty rude because I was like the guy's in trouble.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
He's got a hat on, and he's got BDUs that look absolutely clean, pristine. And when you're up range, you do not wear your cleanest uniform ever. You're in a dirty environment. You wear your scuffed up boots. You don't take them with you.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
United States military uniform. Very out of place. Yeah, it looks very out of place when I finally do it. But anyway, I step out onto the roadway. And this guy screams that he's got no ears. And I just think it's really rude. And then I close the door and I look up and he's got no freaking ears. And his eyes are twice as big. And I just am like, yeah, what the hell did I just walk into?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
This guy's not from around here. How far away from him are you? Probably from me to Logan. Just a few feet? Yeah, just a few, just talking distance. Okay. And I'm starting to freak out, but then he starts to talk to me and it's not my language, but it's coming to, the understanding is like coming into my mind about every word he's saying.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
He's saying words, but it doesn't sound like anything I've heard before.
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But I'm understanding. So I know there's a telepathic thing going on here, and it calms me down at the same time because I'm having to respond to him. And he's like, hello, I'm having trouble with my craft. I need some repair material. Do you know where I could find some tritium? And this is what he's talking to me about. And I'm like, you mean titanium?
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Because I didn't know anything about tritium at the time. But titanium, he's like, no, it's not it. And I'm like, well, at this point in my career, I had just left the program. So I knew where Dreamland was. And I pointed to the mountain range because you can see for days in the desert. But I pointed towards the mountain range and I said, Dreamland's just over there.
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And this wave of emotion hit me like disgust, like I am not going to talk to those barbarians and murderers.
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Exactly, yeah. But he did not like it. He said, I am not going to talk to those people. And I was like, well, shoot. And it was barbarians and murderers? He literally, that was what he called them, yes. And mentally, that's what it was. But the emotion. Trintium, is this a real thing? Well, that's what I've had a lot of friends.
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You know, he says that there's going to be another meeting and that if we don't return the equipment and the prisoners, there's going to be some bad things happen. We have prisoners. Yes. This is what they said on the phone call. And the other guy's like, well, hey, what if we can't get them to return all the equipment and the people?
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There's analysts also that were on the top secret network that were trying to help me understand what material.
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When they hit Trintium, I was like, that's what it was. That's what he said. What is tritium? It's a type of – well, can he bring it up on the – Yeah, sure. Yeah, because it should pop up on Wikipedia pretty quick. But it has some properties that probably would work.
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Look up tritium also. Put an end in there.
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I don't know. Okay, so what is tritium? I may be mispronouncing it.
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Is that an iPhone? If I had my phone, I would, but it's out there, I think.
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How dare you not know how to do that? Your guy works with UFOs. You better know how to do that. Well, there's a three-dimensional image of the craft as well that is really spot on from what I saw that day. Yeah? Because not only did I see this guy running towards us and talking to him, but off the shoulder on the north side of the roadway,
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That's where the craft was just resting on the desert floor. And I got a really good look at it at that point. And this guy did a 3D rendering of the description, and it's spot on as I've ever seen. It's almost perfect.
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This is what the guy looked like, pretty close to it. The nose was a little bit rounder on the end, but that was a really good rendition. But yeah, his eyes almost came out to here on the temple.
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And the guy that had given the interview, he's like, you don't want to do that. And the guy's like, well, why? He said, if you don't, they're going to be put to death. And I was like... I literally stepped back for a minute and I was like, what's going on here? So I had to finish out the call. They talked about Sundry, other things, just stupid stuff.
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It freaked me out. I mean, honestly, I'm not an easy guy to get freaked out. But that really put that, like you just saw an alligator.
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pop up out of the water kind of thing right so when you tell him go to dreamland it says I'm not going to go where those murderers and barbarians are and then what happens and he said no so I was like well where else can I possibly point him to because I'm like I don't know any metallurgists or whatever and
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So I'm thinking to myself, and I related to him, I said, well, I'm taking classes down in the city of Vegas, Las Vegas, at the community college. But I have a geophysical professor that I'm taking a class from. Maybe he has a metallurgist friend.
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That is almost as spot on as I've ever seen. That is about it right there. That's almost exactly what I saw resting on the desert floor.
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He thought that that was a good idea, I think. Or he was like, hmm. He had that kind of, hmm. And he wanted to take action. So he doesn't really even say goodbye. He just kind of turns and off he goes back to his craft. Yeah. And I'm thinking, well, okay. And I get back in the car. And sometime during that conversation with this entity, I remembered looking over at my friends in the car.
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Can you be a little bit more clear, like who was going to be put to death? The program folks that are responsible for keeping the tech that's not theirs. and also doing things to these extraterrestrials.
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And they had the weirdest look on their face, like they were all zonked out, totally zombied. Like they couldn't even – they were just drooling on themselves.
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Well, I've figured out that maybe it was done by this entity because none of them seem to even remember the incident. Only a few people seems to remember that we stopped, that we had talked to somebody on the roadway, but it was mainly the people that were in the back of the convoy.
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They'd probably be a good two car lengths behind us.
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Correct. And that's probably what they saw. But you know me. I'm kind of wide and I'm big. I was very muscular back then. And you're standing in front of this thing. So they'd have a difficult time because this guy stood about a good half foot shorter than me. And so they probably could see his arms from time to time, maybe get a glimpse of his face or something.
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So they probably didn't get a very good view because if you're looking at me, I'm standing right next to my door. And they're behind me kind of almost obfuscated by just the angle that they're looking at him. So all the windows are tinted in those vehicles, and they can't just see through the windows right to whatever's on the left-hand side.
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They did look like that, yeah. Like you said, just a look of just utter, like, ugh.
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No. I was asked by the UEP task force, David Grush, to reach out to these folks, the people in the car. I got a hold of one, got a hold of him on LinkedIn, and we started talking. And, you know, just, hey, how's the wife? How's the kids? That kind of stuff.
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And as soon as I did that, the guy just disappears and ghosts me. And I can't, I don't know what happened. But he was the Rankin guy in the car. The guy that was the passenger, nobody can seem to find him because they did try to verify the people in the car and I gave the names.
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And the young lady that was off to my right, I don't know if they contacted her, but I've heard from other people that were part of this background investigation about my story. They found two people that verified my story. And I don't know who they are. They've been told to keep their mouths shut by somebody. And I'm kind of pissed about that.
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Retrievals. Retrievals. Yeah, when I was first introduced into the program, one of the very first things they asked me was, do you want to be part of the retrieval program? And I said, well, tell me about it. And when they said the things they said, I was like, no. Number one, it sounds gross.
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But I think James Fox knows who they are and knows exactly who told them to shut up as well.
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I shouldn't have said that James Fox knows the guy who told him to shut up because I'm not sure if that's true. You think you might know.
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Well, along with that, this is the other part that was telepathic. When he mentions this metal and the part that is... But it's not metal, right?
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I think it's something or an alloy that we don't particularly make a lot of and or just can't make. But when he spoke about this, the telepathic image was almost like he opened a Sears catalog in my head that had all the specs for this part that he was needing fixed. And it was the strangest thing.
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It like described some of the nano channeling of electrical and electromagnetic stuff that was flowing through it that caused these toroidal energies to emanate on both sides of this piece of the equipment.
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Yeah, he just put it into your head. It was like me, if you and I were telepathic and we were talking about a science project. And he just uploaded all the information.
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I've had, well, once, because in the forum, we have scientists and stuff like that that, yes, were very interested to get me in a room and talk to me about this. I had people from DARPA wanting to talk to me, people from threats, departments all over the place that wanted to know more. And even when I talked to Jack Serfati and Gary Nolan about this stuff,
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Um, I was telling them things before they even opened their mouth about like when I talked to Gary Nolan, I just said, you got that part and you know that it has that, that nano size, uh, atomic level layering that can't be reproduced unless you actually physically are putting these atoms one at a time next to each other. And he's like, yeah, yeah, that's it. You know?
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Number two, you probably can't give me enough PPE gear and hazmat gear to make me feel safe around these things. And no, I'm not interested in that. Thank you very much.
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So I'm telling him this and he already knew. But that was the first thing. And so that's why I knew that what I'd been given in my head, he was giving me that high sign that, yes, that's exactly what I analyzed is that piece of material I had. It sounds just like what this guy described to you and gave to you telepathically.
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that there's these really minute little things that create toroidal forces. They're doing things at a very small level. And then I talked to Jack Serafati later, and he's got all these fantastical physics equations about how things work. And I'm looking through his documents, and no, I can't do the math, but I can understand what he's doing with it.
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And I just flat out asked him, I said, so the smaller you get, because there's always that resistance level when it comes to, you know, putting in energy and then losing it due to, you know, atrophy and all these other, or is that the right word for it? Anyway, the whole thing was just that when you get smaller, it actually reverses itself.
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So I came forward and that's where James founded me. And we got along pretty good and everything's a history from there.
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is that now you get even more power out of things if you have a small enough energy source that works at a very – it's kind of like miniaturizing a fusion device of some kind.
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I emailed back and forth. I gave them what information I could. They didn't want to interview you? They wanted to just email? Yeah. At the time, that's the way it went, yeah. I've had a couple of meetings, though, at different places that I can't discuss, but they did talk to me, yes.
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It's just like a picture that never goes away.
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I don't know if I pulled that down off the top secret network, but I can reproduce it. All I did was just recreate it in like a PowerPoint draw thing.
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The telepathy felt absolutely normal. I mean, there was no headache. There's no dizziness, no buzzing.
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No, I remember it as just being part of the conversation, just like a normal conversation. That's what it feels like.
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And then he leaves when he realizes that, you know, maybe there's some other venues. Maybe me mentioning that there might be a metallurgist on staff somewhere that maybe that prompted him to think, oh, yeah, maybe I should go research this or that. And then maybe I'll find somebody that I could talk to. Something like that may have happened.
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Well, I think the new guy on the block, Jake Barber, he's describing some of the ways that you can do this psionically. I guess his psionic team, he's going to start showing some of that to the world, that some of these craft are manned and piloted by consciousness. And apparently they have a psionics team that can actually get in the headspace of these craft and cause them to land.
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Yeah, there was a star map from that day, but it also relates to the lunch hour after we started going back up to Black Mountain. I had a very strong compunction to go eat my lunch outside, even though it was deathly cold. And I don't know what prompted me to do that again. Maybe he was giving me a telepathic message.
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But after I walked about 150 feet down the road, the dirt road from the top of Black Mountain, I don't remember what happened after that. All I have are two images that keep on flashing back. I remember seeing the schoolhouse from about 150 feet above or 200 feet above the schoolhouse. I remember looking at the rooftop. And the only other memory is I've got this star map in my head.
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And David Grush made me reproduce that on a PowerPoint slide. And I handed that in to him because I have no idea what it was. But he's like, do you understand what this is? And I was like, no, I have no idea. He's like, do you know what star constellations are? I said, I know what the Big Dipper is. That's about it. And he's like, this is the constellation Leo.
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And I'm like, oh, I didn't know that. And so he's like, yeah, this is a really close rendition of that. And I'm like, well, that's kind of cool that I could reproduce it just out of my head. and not even know what the heck it was. But I did know it was a star system.
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Well, just after David Grush asked me to, yes.
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Yeah, the red star that's kind of like, you know, there's a part of the Leo system that has like this very sharp turn into it. I guess it looks like a nose or part of a triangle. And at the tip of that is the red star, and it's reticuli, I think. But anyway, that one seemed to peak.
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And then the strangest thing about this, this is what I'm talking about when it comes to telepathy, when you're sharing that mind space, there's some residue memory there. Because Dave kept pressing me on it, and he said, can you tell me about the red star? And at first I'm like, well, no. And I was like – and all of a sudden some memory came back, and I was like – Holy crap.
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Yeah, that's where he's from. That's his home star system. And he came from there. That's his home. And then we just went on from there. And he said, did you know that they've actually just now discovered a few years ago that there's exoplanets around that star? And I was like, no, I had no idea. So all these things started coming together at that point.
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And that's when they started saying, OK, well, we're going to do some more vetting. And within about a month or so, they were bringing me to Congress and everything else happened after that.
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It's a thing, yeah. And it changed me. How do you explain this? If you can imagine the entire human race, you and me, you don't have to talk to me, but you can feel my presence. You can feel who I am, my personality and share in all of that. And then imagine that by millions, the entire planet, you can actually commune with them.
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It brings with that a level of civility in the control of your thoughts, because right now we don't read each other's minds. So our minds are like, Oh, look at that girl. Oh, look at that, you know, the sports over here. There's a football game on. We're so distracted. But this guy's – when I was engaged with him telepathically, it was like civility to the maximum. It was like very courteous.
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So it's not really a forced landing. It's just kind of a mutual thing.
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He waited for me to say. He'd talk. And it was like – just like we do. We have certain etiquette. But on top of that, there was this part of him – that he left me with that was part of the community of the consciousness that he is able to feel all the time. And that has never left me is that there's a community of consciousness out there that
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When they've been living for so many years with this sort of ability, it has changed them for the better because their minds are under control finally. Their emotions aren't running them like you were talking about addictions and things like this. They don't run their lives like that anymore because of it. And if you do, they end up on a criminal list somewhere, I would imagine.
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But there was such a – ever since then, that feeling of peacefulness and civility is what I've strived for. Never has left me. Never has left me.
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Well, yeah, and honestly, that's why I need people to back me up on it, because this is the thing that we're trying to do with the whistleblowers. We all kind of know each other, just like Lo would tell you, or not Lo, but just like Logan would tell you, just that, I call him Lo for short sometimes. It's a slip-up. Understandable.
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Anyway, so anyway, we get to talking about stuff, but we don't know what's going on daily with each other. It's like I've brought whistleblowers forward to Congress since I went forward. But I don't know their lives. I don't talk to them every day like I do some of them. And it's a strange thing.
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But the more we seem to be coming out now that we've got these few weeks now where we've got folks like, you know, Jake Barber and folks like that coming forward. Now I'm starting to piece things together in my mind because now I'm hearing his side of the story because I didn't want to be part of the retrieval. Well, guess what? He was on it. And he's telling that part.
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Yes, and then there's other ones that are done kinetically, which is more the scary side of it and the ugly side of the program is that what you've got here is it's not so much the military doing this, but the corporate people like Lockheed, Northrop, and all these other companies, they treat this stuff as very high-value target kind of stuff, and it's very valuable for them to get the retrievals.
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And I'm like, oh, no wonder they did that to me. Oh, that's that makes sense. You know, now I'm making those conclusions now because of what he said.
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But then if you try to put us all in a room, we're all deathly scared that some jerk is going to come out of the Department of Defense and shoot us all or do a drone strike on us and kill us all and just have done with it and then get on with their lives again. So you've got this problem here with us coming forward in a group.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They've already messed with my clearance. They've already shown me that they can break into my car on the NSA campus. They're letting me know. They were trying to intimidate me. Because they don't want you talking about this. Exactly.
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Yeah. Why? It's because they know that what they have done, that there are some parts of it that were really bad decisions in the long run. And they don't want anybody to crack open any part of this because they know it's going to cause questions to happen. And they're going to get put on the spot. Okay. So you finally are coming clean on the fact that we've got NHI here.
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But we've got other whistleblowers that have these concerns. That's what they're going to have to face.
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Well, think about it. If Roswell did happen, what would they do? They'd chop up some, you know. Think about it. You'd have etiquette if it was a Russian craft that fell. You'd catalog every part of that crash site. And you'd repatriate the dead bodies to where they came from. We'd give them back to the Russians in honor. And here we are. We've got a civilization just crashed there in Roswell.
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And look at what kind of crap we did to them. And we took all their stuff like it was some kind of a treasure trove. And now we own it? Hell no. You're talking about a craft that was manufactured on another part of the galaxy or something that they can't explain. Nobody knows where it came from. And here they are treating these people like they're just some kind of a lab experiment.
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Let's chop him up a little more, you know? And then, you know, if they ever got approached by the people that came to look for them afterwards, I wouldn't want to be the person that answered them, well, I'm sorry we chopped up your buddy.
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So you've got really what – amounts to a bunch of treasure hunters that are hired with mercenaries involved as well that go out for these retrievals. And that's where Jake Barber comes in is that he sees some of these people that are hired to come out and retrieve this stuff and he's done that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, honestly, when I had the telepathic experience, it was very difficult for me to distinguish what emotions and feelings were coming from me as opposed to him. It was very obvious when he felt disgust about going to ask about things because I was like, well, I'm not disgusted at him. And I had that ability to go. That's not me feeling that it must be coming from him. Right.
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But it was your emotions. Right. But everything else felt like we were sharing literally not only the thoughts, but the emotions that went along with it. It was a true sharing of a mind space. And he felt just like me. His inner voice is just like my inner voice. His feelings are just like our feelings. He feels sadness. He feels all the things that I do.
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I think that was where they probably are trying to bury it even amongst themselves because they know they made some very bad mistakes about that first confrontation that could have been a lot better than what happened.
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I've heard people say they don't want to talk about it.
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right they know well the only thing this is again when we talk about the intel analysts and everybody else that was on that forum it's it's it's totally weird that you can go through all these different things as an intel analyst and say okay it's not china all right it's not that all right let's look at russia anything nope it's not russian is it one of ours well hell no it's not one of ours well who the heck is it then
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Well, Roswell... The most accurate account is the one where the microwave radar waveform upset the onboard avionics inside these craft that these NHI were flying on that day in Roswell.
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We don't know who this guy is. Our adversaries think that too. Everything's America if they can't explain it.
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And those are the same things I've been hearing, too, because a lot of people are shoving videos at me a lot in their descriptions of things. And some of the stuff, you know... looked like maybe it could be a spotlight from a helicopter, and then when the light moved, then you could finally see the helicopter behind the light. Then there was these other ones that was like, this is really weird.
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Right. But if you look at some of the stuff like Gary Nolan said about how even at the very molecular level, these things are organized very minutely. So you can imagine what – even a flow of electricity, if it affects it wrong or it's at the right wavelength, it does break down the electrical current and the electromagnetic or whatever drive that they might have.
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That's what puzzles me is that that takes industrial-sized power generation.
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The part that gets me is the hobbyists being included in that.
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Yeah, and that could just be that they're accidentally there. But the feds, what were they doing? And why would they have a SCIF?
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And that seems to be what happened at Roswell is that they actually – accidentally went in and were just sweeping like a radar and it caused this craft to crash.
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The federal presence to me dictates the fact that if this was innocuous and unclassified, Like you were saying, why was there not a press conference that described it and said the hobbyists are out there flying too and they're just kind of interfering with our lanes where we go and fly normally between one place to another? That never came out. So why was the SCIF even mentioned?
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That's something that they did release in the press is that they were receiving briefings that were in a classified environment.
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Yeah, you've heard that one. You've heard the other theory. They're looking for a dirty nuke. Right. They're looking for HPT.
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Yeah, I did, too. Honestly, I thought that's what it was about. But then they have what looking for HVTs, like anti-terror or looking for terrorist groups, because we were I think at that time it went through the press that there was over a thousand of these, you know, jihadists that were in our midst. We don't know where they're at. Right. You know, kind of thing. Maybe they're looking for those.
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Those are so those are just some of the theories that you come up with with this kind of a scenario.
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Well, you got to take another thing into the calculus and that is wasn't this worldwide? I mean we got reports from China even that this stuff was happening. Right. And they don't just have hobbyists flying stuff around in their country.
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Yeah. Trick us. That's the one part that I find very confusing is just like if it's happening in Europe and China and all these other places, what really is going on?
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It could have been done a totally different way and not had all this hubbub going on. So, yeah, you're right.
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Right. I mean they're making decisions for the entire human race, not just America but the whole race. And that's what my beef was. When in the film, when James Fox asked me about that, well, why are you doing it? You know, kind of a thing. And I was like, well, I feel like this is the right of every man, woman and child on the face of the earth to know the truth about we're not alone.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That has nothing to do with the weapon systems and the classified parts that I know of. But the fact that we're not alone, shouldn't that be something that everybody should be invited to make their own decision on? Yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. And that's where people have to make that decision on their own. You know, have they seen enough malfeasance to want to report it or not?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I actually feel more support than I expected. I've made it through. It's not been easy financially for me. When they messed with my clearance, I haven't gotten a job since. I've been out of work since August of last year. So that's not been fun. Yeah. Was there a reason why they said they messed with your clearance? No. They just made it sound like, oh, it's just an administrative error. Sorry.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, we still have your clearance here. Everybody that wants to employ me, I've had quite a few employers want to hire me. And they say, yeah, we can see your clearance over here. It looks like DOD is trying to reactivate it. But month by month by month, it just sits there. And they won't pass it. to the employer. Somebody is just sitting there going, oh, another request for Jason. Goodbye.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They're getting confused. But anyway, to answer your question about the support, yes, I do get a lot of support. There's people like Stephen Diener. There's Digby Furneaux and Tom Thompson. There's UFO Sarah that's on X. There's a ton of people that I can mention, let alone how much support James Fox is throwing at me. That's what's getting me through this.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
On mission, I can say three I know of. Two mainly tall whites, grays. Those are the main ones.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. But apparently, according – have you seen the video from Mr. Hall, the guy that was supposed to be the weatherman and actually interfaced with the tall whites?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, I totally believe – I've seen too much. But anyway, he says –
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, I can verify the fact that what he said about his position there as a weatherman, that he could walk around anywhere he wanted to because that's what the base commander told me when I got my orientation drive-through on Dreamland. And he mentioned the weather site and that that person can walk wherever they want to. And what did they report? Well, just what, Mr. Hall? Yeah. Yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
He says that the tall whites go through a growth cycle where they're kind of normal height, but they're very long lived. They live like 800 years or more. But when they start getting older, then they get very tall, like seven, eight foot tall. And then they begin to, you know, their bodies begin to not function properly and they die. Kind of like somebody who has a growth problem.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Exactly. And their vital organs just can't pump enough anymore.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So the guy that I saw died. was probably a young person, you know, probably only like 70 years old or something like that, which is kind of an adolescent to them or a young adult. Oh, okay.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, he would actually, as the weather... If you listen to that video, I really encourage you to do that, but Mr. Hall also published some books on it, but... He claims that when he was there at this one place that, you know, I can verify it's there, that on the other side of that mountain or that hillside,
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
That's where the trail goes off into where the tall whites apparently have been given an annex of land to live where they don't get bothered. I mean, it's part of the military complex.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I tried to, yeah. I'd have to get my laptop out, but yeah. What does it look like? It does look like there's some circular patterns. It does look like there's some possibility that there are some like doors inside the mountain that it looks like it's camouflaged to look like it's part of the mountainside.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, because apparently, according to Mr. Hall, they come here for a five-year stint, I guess, and they have to refuel. And then they have another ship come through, and the other one's refueled, and it takes off.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Is that a safe assumption? Yeah. Now, the other third type that got mentioned on mission was reptilians. But every time that they were mentioned, it was really quickly hushed up by whoever else was on the other end of the line. Shut up, don't say that, is what they were doing. They don't want to talk about the reptilian presence at all.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They would talk about the tall whites and the greys being in the lab of environments. You know, not a lot, but some. But these reptilians, it was like nobody wanted to talk about it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
No. The only time I got any inkling was that when I, you know, was out of the program and other people started to talk to me about all the different, you know, things. They're like, well, how many races are there? I don't know. But some people talked about the reptilians. They're like, do you realize that these are evil? Yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, to give it some credibility, I did do some research after that person talked to me. Because I did see that there is a reptilian race that is very malign like that. And they even have, according to what I read, this one race has a penchant for blood for some reason. It's like a shark frenzy with them. Like a real reptile. It's a euphoric experience for them.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
There's actually another person that was approached by, you know, the same race of NHI. And this guy says that they actually recounted what happened is that they thought they were attacked by a directed energy weapon. And then they quickly found out that, no, this was just accidental and that this was some sort of a radar system that just caused their attack.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Live underground, that kind of thing, yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But see, for me, the way I look at all this reptilian presence is just like I've read in the Bible. You know, that... For some reason, I feel like this whole experience I've had in my life actually increased my faith in the Bible and God. Because even in the Bible, it mentions the serpents and that Lucifer being the head of that genre or species did cause the fall of mankind.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
and all this other good stuff so to me i feel like i just got experience with the reality of the fact that these things exist and even though they try to keep it all hidden that i got exposed to the program where i could see some of it and i think that there's some credence also to that side of it as well so to give credence to the whole thing is just to
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
their onboard computer to go haywire for just that second enough to cause the crash to happen.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
say that that's what I believe, but at the same time, it wasn't there.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They didn't really describe the Eben. They didn't? Nope. They just said that it was just like them reporting on something for that day. So it was kind of like a daily thing with them.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It's kind of like, you know, somebody asked me what you look like today. You know, after the first time they asked me, they're never going to ask me about that again.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It sounded like it was imprisoned. It sounded like an interrogation result is what it sounded like.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
There's another one that actually escaped from captivity.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
But he actually convinced his interpreter or his interrogator to help him escape because the program was trying to get him to open a portal for them. And they wanted control of it. And the guy eventually, the interrogator, actually pushed him into the portal and had surreptitiously given him back to his own home world. And it ended that guy's career probably. A portal? Yeah.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
You're talking like it's kind of like a way of opening a wormhole that you can control.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I think it was also in Reticuli. I think it was another being from the Reticuli system.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Where is this portal? How is it accomplished? Oh, the portal, I thought... I was trying to think, where was that call from and to? Because you always get the originating location, but you're always trying to figure out who the distant end is. I'm trying to think... All the parameters because you have to write down the phone number and every stuff sometimes.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It sounded like it might have been on the Pacific Northwest or the West Coast area is where this was taking place.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They had recovered parts of one, and they were trying to complete it, and they were trying to get this being to help them complete the portal so that they could use it for their advantage.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Unless he had some compassion for him because he's been working with him for a while.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I can't remember all the things. I think they had to keep this entity tied to a chair or something so he couldn't do anything. And that's why he needed the help of the guy that was the interpreter. He had to push him into the portal on the chair that he was tied to.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Right. There's different versions. I'm just telling you that that's the only other one I've heard that you're mentioning that you wanted me to describe that. Was there any other entities that we had captured and had something similar? That's the only other story I've heard.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, where he went with Jackie Gleason. Yeah. Do you think that's bullshit? Actually, not for that time frame, no. I could see Jackie Gleason and Richard Nixon soaking some suds down.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
I'd build that fucking house. I love that house. I kind of like those, too. It's like down at Navarre Beach where I have a home down there in Florida, but there's a UFO house down there.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And wouldn't you have like a system to prepare yourself for storms? Yes, and that's something that might have taken them by surprise because you're talking about 1950s. Radars were not all that new, but they weren't all that old either. When was radar invented? Do you know?
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And those are things, honestly, I've had, we've only discussed a part of my life. I've had experiences all the way from three years old on. And even after I was out of the program and I was just working in Florida and I've seen the delta or triangular craft like three times.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And one of those times it was my daughter when we were coming back from her gymnastics class pretty much just before I retired. And what did that look like? It was like the size of a three-story home, but it was pointed, and on the top it was kind of angular, kind of like what you see the F-117 look like where it's angular. It kind of looked like that.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It had pale grayish-white lights on the underside, on the cardinal corners, and then in the back – There was a flat panel that looked like a grill where there was a light. There was like these stack of straight up lights like fluorescent lights are that would go to the right and then to the left.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
It was going fairly slow. And then when it banked, it turned. And then that's when it sped up a little bit. And then I lost it in the trees. Then I saw it two other times. One time was going to work and the other time was in 2022 when I reached out to some of the program folks that I used to know to tell them, hey, there's a space on the top secret JWIX computers. That they're talking about UFOs.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And I pointed them directly to this delta-shaped craft because I was like, I know what this is and I know what they know it is. So I was trying to let them know that you need to look at this imagery that we have our hands on. And ends up they ended up showing up with it. And they showed me flying in flight. They followed me home the next night. And it was right there above my car.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, it was World War II. So it was right around the 1950s. Right around the same time. Right. So it may have been unexpected technology for them, and maybe they just didn't have their countermeasures up or something.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And I'm looking kind of like. So this is ours? It's ours. Yeah. It's a hybrid or it's ours. I've always told people.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Well, here it is. The whole thing is that in the 90s, I know they were on mission with me at Wright-Patt, and we saw a delta-shaped craft. It had different nacelles at the time or engines at the time. That's what a nacelle is. And then so this new version looked very similar in shape. However, it had these glowing orbs that looked like they were part of the propulsion system.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So they had upgraded part of it, and now it looked fully functional and operational because back in the 90s it was not.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
And when we get that, I call that exotic material and or whatever you want to call it. But we get our hands on that and about every 10 years we get a breakthrough on it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
because we do study it and sometimes somebody is smart enough to figure something out and the next thing you know we've got fiber optics we've got cell phones and we've got transistors now we're nanotech you know where'd all this stuff come from is some of this part of this nhI presence and that they've taken a patent that was developed inside the program and now these people from Lockheed and Northrop are patenting this stuff and then making lots of money on the outside
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yes. I've actually, like I said, as a young adult, I probably encountered more of a spiritual sense, but they were Nordic looking, you know, platinum hair kind of a look, blue eyes.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
If I'm talking about my mission days, it's only that handful. And then if you're talking about other things that I've had other people tell me about, I think I've heard enough from enough people that I trust that I think our concept of life in this universe is totally off. I think there are literally trillions of other life forms. And anything you can imagine is probably true.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yes. All of that. All that. All of the above. I would say that the way they appear and disappear is interdimensionalism. And I've had other friends that have had encounters that have talked to me that they could see a larger craft and then it turned and all of a sudden there was a door opening and a creature coming out. And yet this other part of the craft seemed to be like a long way off.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So it's like interdimensionally large. However, you know, when it turns, it's not like our four-dimensional world.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Because it's going into this other dimension and there's actually more space to that. Yes, and that's what this guy was describing.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
So you have to think about the time frame of when this radar stuff was actually being – and besides that, they do not always – I intercepted a different call that states that they do have a periodicity between when they come and go. They're not always here. They're out doing other things, I guess.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
You can't explain, you're just sitting there going... We went through the whole rigmarole on these objects. You had people on one side of the fence, people on the other side of the fence, people in the middle of it all, and nobody could draw a conclusion.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Yeah, because you've got – also you've got to understand that these are professionals. We had imagery analysts go through looking for false positive like camera artifacts that look like something they're not.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
They're pretty accurate. Exactly. And we had a whole database of all these false positives to go through and it wasn't matching any of that. We were going through the imagery analysis of the video, looking for flaws like artifacts. Couldn't find anything.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Because one of the things that I think the community really gets hung up on when it comes to the Intel community is that the classification is one thing. But when you don't know if something is a threat, you automatically assign a value to that as being credible or not credible. And right now they can't draw a conclusion. Therefore, they don't want to declassify it.
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#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands
Therefore, it will not be divulged in public because of those reasons.