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Chapter 1: What was Bono's impression of the film 'Stories of Surrender'?
And it was so, like, almost like a fever dream. It was wild. Like, the way you set it up, all black and white.
Yeah, you get past the first three minutes. Yeah. Even my own mates are like, oh, don't do that. It's like, wow. And it is like a fever dream, that opening. But that really happened to me.
Chapter 2: How did Bono develop as a singer?
It was great, man. It's great. And it's also like I love the way you did it. Like you played the beginning of some songs and you talked about the origin of the songs. The thing that I have a hard time believing, though, is that you weren't a good singer when you were young.
Well, you know, punk rock, you're a bit of a shouter. That's really what you do. You just get up there and shout. I'm shouting at God. I'm shouting at everyone. I'm shouting at the band. That scene in When We're Doing I Will Follow, that's really true. So I'm there and we're improvising this song that becomes... I will follow if you walk away, walk away, walk away. And it's like this wow moment.
We're trying to just do something original. And we're really ripping off, the irony is, we're really ripping off Public Image Limited. Johnny Rotten became John Lydon again for this band called Public Image Limited back in the late 70s. And and I'm singing about, you know, it's a suicide note, really. And I'm singing about this and they're saying, like, what's it about?
Chapter 3: What inspired Bono's songwriting?
And I said, I think it's this it's this guy is going to follow somebody into the grave. You know, they're going to. I think it's a child following their mother, missing them so much that he'll follow them into the grave. And then we realized that our rehearsal room, the little yellow house, is beside the cemetery where my mother is buried.
And I have never visited her once or talked about her once. And we've been rehearsing there for months.
it's funny you know you can deny somebody in conversation you can deny somebody to yourself but in the songs all that comes out wow wow but thank you for watching it that's that's i loved it it was such an interesting way you put it all together i've never seen anybody do that like that like you did like
It's like a documentation of your career, but in this very unique way with talking about things and explaining these moments. And then the music plays, and it's all black and white. It was really cool.
Yeah. There's a sort of... Black and white lends it a kind of clarity. I did this series of shows in the Beacon Theater in New York, and it was going so well, we thought we should record it. I will tell you, the night before we opened our show in New York, my Mrs. Ali said, I don't think you should do this. Just please, please do not do this to yourself.
in front of, you know, a New York crowd, cancel it now, do what most people do on a book tour, get somebody to interview them, and just, they'll come anyway, everyone will be happy. And I don't know, I just went for once. I didn't take her sage advice, and I... I did it. And the difference was, with an audience, it was funny. And she was like, oh, that's the bit I didn't get in the rehearsals.
It's funny.
So what was she thinking? It was self-indulgent?
I thought it was dull, self-indulgent, here you are. I mean, all these things are a version of... Here's another great thing about me. No. I mean, it is a... I was calling it a memoir. Me book what I wrote myself. It's the memoir. And look, there's something narcissistic and... But it's your material. You know, that's what you get. You know, it's not just your body. Your psychology is the canvas.
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Chapter 4: How does Bono view freedom and humor in performance?
But it's also a real opera. These are big feelings, you know. You're going after your dad. Like a young, you know, elk is a romantic word for it. But it's, you know, you're just taking him on. And this poor man is just, he's lost his wife. He's trying to bring up two kids. I'm just an obnoxious kind of...
thing who somehow psychologically blames him for the death of my mother because as Jim Sheridan says to me, it doesn't have to be actually true to be psychologically true. And that kids feel all these feelings, you know, and they don't have to be logical. And I went after my dad, and by playing him every night in the Beacon Theatre and around the world, I actually learned to love him.
I learned to like him, actually. I always loved him. I used to like him. That was... He made me laugh more. So I got humor. Humor was the gift from that show.
And the humor was evident with the audience there.
Yeah. But not evident when my business came, which is why she wanted to pull the plug.
Well, rehearsals are hard. It's also hard when someone is too close to you. They're there with you every day. Like... This is true with comedy as well. Like if someone sees your act too many times, like if someone's traveling with you, like if my wife went to see my shows all the time, there's parts of it she'd be like, oh, don't do that. Oh, don't do this.
Like that's not – like you get too close to it. Like she's too close to you. But to see it with fresh eyes, like to see it in front of that audience, the joy that they have when the music starts playing – when some of the songs that they love, it's amazing. Like, you could feel it in the show. It's like the pure joy. Because the people that came to see it were hardcore fans.
Well, what happened was Andrew Dominick, Australian director, and he did... some of the shots without any audience. Just he cleared them out on a day off. And then some of them came in which were hardcore fans, as you say. And that was, in a way, that was the most terrifying. Because I, as a performer... I'm drawn to spontaneous acts.
That's what, when we started out as a band, I was attracted to performers who I thought might leave the stage. And follow me home, mug me. You know, tell my fortune or, you know, whatever.
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Chapter 5: What does Bono say about Johnny Cash?
Well, just, yeah. I mean, and I'm still attracted. Iggy Pop, when I was growing up, was the, you know, Patti Smith. Patti Smith used to enter the stage elbowing her way through the crowd. Myself and Larry Mullen, drummer in U2, we left stage one night when we were like 21, 20 years old. elbing our way through the crowd to get out, just got into a taxi in London, fucked off.
And we felt a liberation. Breaking the fourth wall has been everything for our bands. Trying to... smash it by surfing it, you know, by jumping into the crowd.
I had the preposterous moment of going into a crowd in the, in Los Angeles, I forget, the Forum or somewhere like that, with the white flag, right, the nonviolent white flag, the same flag that I'm still on about, the flag of surrender, right, in that show. But back then I'm 23 or whatever and I'm going into the crowd and I see people who are, you know, pulling at me and all this.
The next thing I know, I'm throwing a punch. Somebody in our own audience. That's how much nonviolence meant to me. You know, but I'm attracted to feral performers, I suppose, is a word for it. It's just, you're in it.
and you're not fully in control of it right and mark rylands is a great one daniel day lewis walked off stage one night saw a ghost of his father rumor had it when he was playing hamlet but yeah so having the crowd in who knew what was going to happen that unnerves me a bit because how do I surprise them? Turns out, by making, I became a sit-down comic.
If you're a stand-up, for a minute, a minute, I was a sit-down comedian.
Well, what you were doing, and I think what you're saying that you're attracted to is something that's not contrived, something that's pure. It could be messy, it could be, you know, Patti Smith, elbowing people, or you running through the crowds. It's real. And there's so much in this world that's not real. There's so much that's manufactured.
There's so much that's produced and run through a focus group. And there's so much that doesn't resonate. Like you don't feel it as a piece of art. You don't feel it as like a real person pouring out their emotions and their soul. But great music, you feel. It gets into you. It gets into your cells. No one can figure out how it works or why it works or why this does and this doesn't.
Why does Johnny Cash have such a fucking cool voice? What is it? What is it? But there's something about real. That's just, it's like a vitamin. It's like going out in the sun when it's been raining, like, ah, like you soak it in. Yeah, it is, you know.
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Chapter 6: How does Bono relate to America and its ideals?
Yeah.
And and there is it is the language of the spirit. It we we it is somehow there is worship involved, whether it's. God, nature, money, an extraordinary woman has just walked across the street. But it seems to be that music is where we are creatures of awe and wonder. And, you know, you mentioned Johnny Cash. I had the blessing in my life of getting to know him.
And as a believer, I don't know if you know, I'm a believer, I'm just not a very good one, but he, there was not a pious bone in his body. And I learned about the company he would choose. He got nervous around people who were too self-righteous. And he had this huge spirit in him, you know, prayerful spirit.
Myself and Adam Clayton were driving through America, I think around the time of the Joshua Tree, And I'd met Johnny a couple of years ago. I found out where he lived. He had a zoo in Nashville. He had a house in Nashville. And we go in to meet June, his missus, and Johnny. And he shows us this table filled with... plates of everything. I'm like, wow, we're coming with just the two of us.
He said, no, honey, that's my cookbook. I'm just doing a photo shoot for my cookbook. We're in here, you know, we're having a, so we go into their kitchen and we sat there, myself and Adam. And Johnny goes, shall we pray? And Adam wasn't a praying type at that time, but he was like, wow, it's Johnny Cash. So, you know. You have to pray. We all held hands and whatever.
And Johnny Cash made this beautiful poetic blessing. And I just thought, wow, of course he's touched. And then he just turned to Adam and just goes, sure missed the drugs though. And Adam just fell in love with him, you know, because he couldn't be pious. Right. He just, he had to be himself. Yeah. Years later, if it's years later. Look at that.
Oh, wow, there you go. Oh, that's so... Oh, my God. There it is.
That's Adam there, yeah.
Yeah.
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Chapter 7: What is Bono's perspective on activism and leadership?
years later than this and I called I called up and June answered the phone excuse the poor Texas Texans all you Texans out there but she was like or Nashville in her case she was like Oh, Bano, wow, thank you for calling. It's so good to hear from you. How's Dublin? How's Ali? How's the Burlington? This is a hotel, right? And I was like, great. And we're talking, you know, phrases with June.
She said, what's going on with this? And I said, look, eventually I said, look, June, I'm just calling because I heard John wasn't well. And I just wanted him to know that we're thinking about him. She said, oh, honey, we're in bed. He's right beside me. And he hands me the phone. Or she hands him the phone. He goes, sorry about that. I'm fine. And bless her. Actually, June passed away first.
And Johnny called Rick Rubin. And those American recordings were great. a result of a conversation he had with Rick Rubin where he said, please, will you work with me? Because if you don't, I will die. Wow. And that's why, if you hear those American recordings, amazing version of Nine Inch Nails. Hurt. Hurt. Yeah. Did a version of One.
Also, Depeche Mode's personal, geez, I mean, it's just, what a voice.
Yeah.
Are you a fan of Johnny Cash?
Huge. What's your- I used to have a dog named Johnny Cash. Does the dog bite? No, not anymore. He's dead. He didn't bite when he was alive. He was a nice dog. It's just I had a habit of naming my dogs after famous singers.
Wow, we have a dog called Lemmy.
Oh, wow.
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Chapter 8: How does humor play a role in addressing serious issues?
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, it's a girl, though. I think she resents it.
Yeah, I had a dog named Frank Sinatra, and Marshall is named after Eminem.
Oh, man. Well, they're two incredible people. Don't get me started on Frank Sinatra, because how long is this, by the way?
As long as we want to go.
Well, no, because... Why? Well, just Frank Sinatra. There's two questions. One of them shouldn't be Frank Sinatra because I just... I can go on and on and on. I learned so much from him and I got to know him. And as bizarre as that sounds, he's such a name dropper, Frank. No, but I did. And...
Probably, if you're interested in singing, I could tell you one miracle that I learned from Frank Sinatra, which is a version of My Way. And the original version, you know, it's a boast. And years later, he sang it. And I have a copy of it. And Pavarotti stars in the film, as you know. I play him for a moment.
But it's a version of my way with, Pavarotti's the greatest singer on earth, but shouldn't sing in English. Friends, I know it now. You don't want that. And so I have a version of it without the greatest singer in the history of the world, Pavarotti, on it. It's just Frank singing. 20 years after he'd sung My Way as a boast. Same key, same text, same arrangement. And now it's an apology.
Wow.
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