Amanda Knox is an exoneree, journalist, public speaker, and author of two books, the newest of which is “Free: My Search for Meaning.” She co-hosts the podcast “Labyrinths” with her partner, Christopher Robinson. Knoxsits on the board of the Innocence Center, and serves as an Innocence Network Ambassador.www.amandaknox.comhttps://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/amanda-knox/free/9781538770719/ Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is Amanda Knox's new book about?
They'll go down a crazy rabbit hole. Yes. So in a nutshell, what happened?
Yeah.
I was studying abroad when I was 20 years old in Perugia, Italy. One of my roommates was raped and murdered by a burglar who broke into our home. But I was accused of having orchestrated a murder orgy. And I was sent to prison for four years. I was sentenced to 26 years. I was put on trial for eight years. And it became this international scandal thing.
uh where it sort of pinged all of the buttons in all the right places this happened in 2007 so you know early 2000s when the internet was or the internet the social media was really becoming a thing the iphone was becoming a thing i think that that played a huge role of people sort of going into their little echo chambers and fighting online and
So I think that there was, yeah, it was a case that for whatever reason rose above the level of other cases. Ultimately, this case was actually very simple and it wouldn't have risen to the level of international infamy were it not for the series of mistakes that the prosecution and the detectives made at the very beginning by trying to pin a man's crime on me, a woman.
Yeah. And if anybody wants, there's a documentary.
Yes, there's a Netflix documentary. I wrote a book called Waiting to be Heard. And then more recently, I wrote this book, Free My Search for Meaning, which covers like, you know, you can read it and learn about the case, but it's mostly about how do you come out of an experience like that and make sense of it? And then...
One of the big stories in it is how I then developed a relationship with my prosecutor, which I think you'll probably be in the camp of people of thinking that I'm utterly insane for having done that.
Maybe, maybe, maybe you won't.
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Chapter 2: How did Amanda Knox cope with her wrongful conviction?
Like, sure, sure, sure. Yeah. But but in terms of your of like trying to take beautiful women down a peg, I think you're right. I also think that something that was going on in my case that I think you also tend to see in those situations where you're trying to take beautiful men down a peg is. is this idea of pitting women against each other.
That was a huge thing in my case where they were suggesting that here I was, this free-spirited but also hoary American girl, versus the uptight, judgmental British girl. And therefore they hated each other and with, you know, with a vengeance, with a lethal vengeance.
And then this idea of like a murder orgy appeared where this pornographic fantasy of women like expressing their own violent fantasies towards each other real life and using men as pawns in that game of violent hatred towards each other. I think you see that a lot, you know, even in like a person I write about in this book who's become a dear friend of mine is Monica Lewinsky. And
How I feel like people really wanted to bring her down a peg in part because they wanted to bring Hillary down a peg and the whole like purse the person who actually committed the affair was sort of I mean he definitely got his part but it was all like a political game of they're trying to take down the man but they're also taking down the woman and they're especially railroading this young woman who made a mistake.
And it became known as the Monica Lewinsky scandal and not, you know, the Bill Clinton affair or whatever. Like it matters what you name a thing. And it seemed like the legacy of that and the person who became defined entirely by that scandal happened to be Monica, the one who was the person with the least amount of power and agency in that equation. Yeah.
Also 20 years old.
Yeah, 23 years old. Yeah. Who did a very normal thing, which was fall in love with a charismatic, powerful man.
And he was handsome as fuck back then.
Oh, yeah.
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Chapter 3: What was the media's role in Amanda Knox's case?
You know, which is like, wow, what do we do?
Yeah. Yeah.
So is democracy completely and utterly flawed because it relies upon the ambition of the wrong people?
Or heroes or legitimate heroes, like someone who's like, you know, I'm going to tolerate this. I'm going to carry the burden of this on my back because I think I can help people.
But does anyone ever like actually arrive at the like at the seat of the president as that person?
Like, here's the question. Do they stay that person? Because I used to think Obama was that person. I really did. You know, I was like, wow, we've got a good one. You know? Yeah.
I was sad I missed out on that.
Yeah. It was pretty cool. But in retrospect, you know, when looking back, like probably not really, like probably got corrupted by the system or was corrupt originally, you know, and is now willing to openly lie. Yeah. It's, uh, it's dark. It's dark. You know, and I think, um, it's just a, It's a strange social position that I don't think is manageable for anyone.
I don't think the human mind is prepared to be in that kind of a position of power and not have it completely distort what you are. And then there's the relationships that you have to have with all of these various politicians and then special interest groups and lobbyists and then foreign leaders. Yeah, how do you manage all of that? Heads of defense contracting companies. Like, what? Yeah. Hmm.
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Chapter 4: What does Amanda Knox think about forgiveness?
It should be fun if you pursue it correctly. There's a lot of stuff to do. A lot of stuff to do that's interesting. That's why when I hear people say, I'm bored. I don't even understand you. I don't even get it. How the fuck can you be bored? I wish I had 50 lives to live simultaneously. I would do a bunch of different things. I would have a bunch of different jobs.
There's so many different things that I'd love to do.
Aren't people sometimes beholden to doing things that they don't want to do just because they have to make bills or they have to?
But that's all choices that you make, too. And unfortunately, these choices sort of they cascade. You know, you could find yourself.
motivated by the wrong things and doing things for the wrong reasons like doing things just for money and just for this or just for that and i've done that before i know it but then you have to realize like what you're doing and not and and stay focused on the prize yeah take the steps to not want to do that anymore you know but you know it's like oh
There's people listening to this right now like, oh, that's easy for you to say because I have to do this and I have to do that. That's true. But you can do things to better your life with your free time. Go open your phone right now and look at your screen time. Okay. Now, I understand the screen time is 10 minutes here, 20 minutes there, 5 minutes here, 5 minutes there. But that screen time...
It's probably about five hours, which is crazy. That's five hours you could have been improving your life. That's five hours you could have been doing something different. That's five hours you could have went to the gym. That's five hours you could have eaten better. You could have taken steps to have better food in your house.
You could have taken steps to pursue a career or move in the direction of pursuing something that's different than what you're doing that you would actually find satisfying and fulfilling. Yeah. You just have to decide what are you doing with your time. And, you know, this goes back to people commenting and bitching at people online. Well, that's what you're doing.
If you're distracting yourself by doing a bunch of shit that's just worthless, and it is worthless.
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Chapter 7: How does Amanda Knox handle public criticism?
Sometimes certain people, they're not going to learn. And I think the universe provides them as an example of how not to live, but also as a puzzle that you need to solve. If this person is continually bringing negative things into your life and continually tripping you up and sabotaging you, you have to, at a certain point in time, separate yourself. You have to. You've got to ghost people.
As horrible as that seems. Because you don't have enough time. There's not enough time in the world. Your time is very precious. And if people don't want to help themselves, you can't help them.
True. That's very true. I've definitely found myself in the position of not being helpable. There's a story I tell in the book about trusting the wrong person and wanting to believe that they were someone like me, someone who could understand me, and then I realized they were not.
That's horrible when you let someone in and you realize you fucked up. I've had that happen multiple times. Yeah, there's a lot of con artists out there. There's a lot of sociopaths. There's a lot of slippery people that they're chameleons. They're like little cuttlefish. They kind of adapt to their environment and slip into your world. Yeah. It's dangerous.
There's a lot of people that they look at it like it's a game. Like, how do I get close to this person? How do I benefit from this relationship? How do I make these connections? And in the business world, you're actually taught to do that. Right. Which is really crazy. It's called networking. Right.
It's a good word in that world.
Yeah, you have to bullshit, you know? And you and the wife have to go out and, like, pretend that, like, I know he's an asshole, but we're going to sit with him because it's really important for my promotion. And then, you know, no wonder why CEOs become sociopaths. Like, of course.
John Ronson has a good book about that. Have you read The Psychopath Test?
No, I haven't. Oh, it's so fun. I read the Publicly Shamed book, though.
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