Dave Smith is a stand-up comedian, libertarian political commentator, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Part of the Problem" podcast, as well as a co-host of the "Legion of Skanks” podcast. www.comicdavesmith.com Douglas Murray is a political commentator, cultural critic, and author of numerous books, the most recent of which is "Democracies and Death Cults: Israel and the Future of Civilization." https://a.co/d/fUGXIZQ www.douglasmurray.net Go to ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS).1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $150 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 4/13/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the goal of bringing Dave Smith and Douglas Murray together on the podcast?
There we go. All right. The goal of this is every time I see people that disagree with anything that's happening, any gigantic world events, it's one of these retarded shows. where they're screaming, there's the word again, we brought it. We were just talking about that. The word retarded is back, and it's one of the great culture victories that I think is spurred on probably by podcasts.
These things are always like Piers Morgan-y, which is fine, where everyone's screaming over each other, and there's five different people talking over each other. There's never just rational conversations where you discuss things. And I respect both of you. I think both of you are brilliant. And I thought, I bet you agree on a lot of things. I bet you disagree on a lot of things.
And it'd be fascinating to see your perspectives on these things. So that's why you're here together. Okay.
Can I ask you something? Yes, sir. Since the war in Israel began and since the war in Ukraine began, you've had quite a lot of people who are very against both in different ways. Yes.
Chapter 2: How do Dave Smith and Douglas Murray view support and criticism regarding the wars in Israel and Ukraine?
Do you think you've had enough people on who are supportive of either war? I don't know that word enough if that's... A good word.
Let's say enough people who are on the side of Israel instead of wild critics.
Well, I've had a few. I mean, I believe God Sad is on the side of Israel. For sure. Jordan is on the side of Israel. You had Mike Baker, Coleman Hughes. Yeah. Coleman did it for like 20 minutes.
That wasn't why he was here.
No. I mean, none of them is why they're here. You know, it's a good question.
Do you think you've tilted one way?
Um, me personally? No, no, no, just with the guests you've had. The guests? Yeah, probably more tilted towards the idea that perhaps the way they've done it is barbaric.
But why do you think that is, just out of interest? I'm just interested in your selection of guests, because you're like the world's number one podcast.
Yeah, it's not... I don't... I don't think about it that way. I just think I'd like to talk to this person.
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Chapter 3: What are the concerns about featuring fringe historians and controversial opinions on podcasts?
Yeah, but he does talk about Yemen constantly. He talks about a lot of things that aren't in the news.
Well, I tend to talk about the conflicts that my government is directly involved in, which I think is reasonable to me. But I don't quite get, like, what's all the appeal to authority stuff? I mean, what, you have to be an expert?
No, I think authority matters. I think that if you just throw a lot of shit out there and then say, I'm not interested in... The alternative views on this, and particularly when it's a counter narrative that is wildly off. And when you get people, look, I just feel we should get it out straight away.
I feel you've opened the door to quite a lot of people who've now got a big platform who have been throwing out counter historical stuff of a very dangerous kind.
You mean Daryl? Are you talking about Daryl?
Daryl, who's the other one?
I don't think Daryl has anything dangerous.
What's the other guy? Derek, what's his name? Cooper, is it? Which one is it?
No, that's Daryl Cooper. Daryl Cooper.
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Chapter 4: How do the speakers discuss the role of expert authority in historical and current political discourse?
Absolutely. We have lived through an era where, in real time, we saw something called a conspiracy, the lab leak, which turns out to be true, as you and others said it might be from the beginning.
I find that to be very racist.
And... How dare you?
Both of you.
It used to be racist when we were saying that it was likely that the COVID variant had come out from the place making COVID variants.
Especially since it's in the exact town. It just seemed like it. It seemed like it was possible to us. By the way... Ask yourself this, who has access to your medical history? In theory, it's just you and your doctor.
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Chapter 5: What is the debate about Churchill’s legacy and Operation Unthinkable?
The will of the United States imposed, rather, the will of the United States and the British Empire upon Russia. The will was qualified as a square deal for Poland, but added that that does not necessarily limit the military commitment.
The assessment signed by the chief of army staff on 9 June 1945 concluded it would be beyond our power to win a quick but limited success, and we would be committed to a protracted war against heavy odds. The code was... Yeah.
This is... Okay. Okay. First of all, I never do Wikipedia.
Okay, we don't have to do Wikipedia. No, no, that's okay, that's okay.
This is just what Jamie pulled up. Okay, but first of all, yes, at the end of the war, a plan requested that wasn't seen through... That suggests that after the defeat of Nazism, communism of the Soviet form is also going to be a threat to Europe was simply evidence. I mean, it's obvious. True. It's what Churchill worried about throughout the 40s. He worried about it in Yalta.
He worried about it everywhere. I'm sorry, but I have to return to this point that. This man manages to do one of the most heroic things in human history, in standing alone against evil in its most concentrate form. And he does about as much as any human being can do to save the civilized world. If you just park that
and you go on to a plan in 1945 to try to counter Soviet domination of Europe, you see what I'm saying? This is not doing something in the round.
Yeah, it's also, look, I mean, look, I'm not even, like, I'm not at all the expert on World War II, and I'm not, like, going to debate with you about World War II, but I would say that, like, that is, there's a lot of room for nuance and detail disagreement with what you just said. You know, in the 20th century, we had two world wars.
They're the worst thing, objectively speaking, the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of the world. And the Second World War is the biggest bloodbath in human history. And it ended with handing the man who you just mentioned, Joseph Stalin, half of Europe.
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Chapter 6: How do the speakers analyze the causes and consequences of the Russia-Ukraine war?
Well, look, I will say this, as somebody who is, I'm very anti-war, broadly speaking, and I do agree with you that it should, like, we should be able to have conversations about all the things that led up to the war and all the different, you know, like blunders that were made, and also still recognize that Vladimir Putin invaded a country and is responsible for
You know, at least hundreds of thousands of people dying. And, you know, my Scott Horton, who I always try to promote on here, he just wrote this book called Provoked. I think it's the best book that's been written on the history leading up to the war between is basically takes you from the collapse of the Soviet Union up to the war in Ukraine. And even in that book – the book is called Provoked.
And the argument is that Western policy was very provocative toward Vladimir Putin and there were a lot of off-ramps that could have been explored and should have been explored. But he has an entire chapter in the book where he is saying like, look, these are – Putin had a lot of other options. He didn't have to do this. It's not as if any of that justifies his invasion.
And so I do agree with you that whenever we're talking about a war, particularly a war of aggression, that should always be in the front of people's minds. I mean, you can criticize, you know, I would say I think I'm consistent on this across the board. You can criticize lots of things about the insurgency in Iraq, certainly.
But you should remember that George W. Bush invaded the country when he shouldn't have and based off lies. So I say that when my government does it. I'll say it when the Russian government does it also. That being said, there's a very strong argument that there were many policies that the U.S., you know, NATO and Europe as well, but mostly the U.S. pursued that were just. Almost.
Like if you wanted to come to this inevitable conflict, this would have been the policy to pursue to give you the best chance to end up there.
You know, I was with a British military friend recently and somebody asked, what does the fog of war mean? And he gave a brilliant example of what it means on the battlefield, which a lot of people don't understand. There's a version of the fog of war in history as well.
The great Czech writer Milan Kundera had this beautiful phrase in a book of his from the 90s called Testaments Betrayed where he said the odd thing about mankind is he said we walk through life in a fog and we stumble along a path and we create the path as we stumble along it. So that's not the interesting thing.
The interesting thing is that when we look back we see the man and we see the path but we don't see the fog. Everything looks inevitable when you're standing in the present. Everything looks like it was going to happen this way. And you have these endless, often fascinating, often futile explorations of what might have been. but it doesn't take into account the fog. It's a very good point.
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