My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
467 - Nipper & The Hat
Thu, 13 Feb 2025
On today’s episode, Karen tells the story of the Kray twins and Georgia covers the Tenerife airport disaster. For our sources and show notes, visit www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: Who are the hosts of My Favorite Murder?
Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kilgariff. We're your sincere podcasting friends. Hey, hi. Hey, happy Valentine's Day. It's pretty much Valentine's Day. I mean, in your world, it probably is.
It probably is. What are you doing for Valentine's Day, everyone? Hey, what do you like about Valentine's Day?
not making reservations for restaurants that are packed that you don't want to go to anyway and everyone's miserable including especially the servers the servers the couples the singles everybody loses on valentine's day stay home stay home nothing's ever good enough so cool when's the last great valentine's day that you've ever had
great what do we mean by great well maybe like an early peak one you don't have to include like adult relationships but kind of like i honestly don't think i remember a single valentine's day yeah there was a kfc on once but it wasn't vince so who gives a shit right you know that was more just like somebody that thought of a good bad gift yeah what about you Well, yeah. No.
No great ones.
I'm sure there's people that made nice efforts along the way. Sure. I was really hoping you had a story about it. And then someone was like, come down to the ravine with me and whatever. And they murdered me?
No. The ravine. It's like the least romantic.
Well, we just had a ravine behind our high school. Oh, okay.
You know?
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Chapter 2: What exciting announcement did My Favorite Murder make?
Oh, yeah, we do. Like what? What do we do? Oh, yeah. We have a little announcement to make. Speaking of hearts. Hey. And relationships. And relationships. Oh, my God. We want to give you guys some exciting news. On February 5th, we announced our new partnership with iHeartRadio. It came out in the public. Yay.
Yes, we are so excited to begin this partnership with them, this podcast journey. That means, yes, we will be at the iHeartRadio Awards this year. And yes, we will both be doing musical numbers individually. Did I sign something? I don't think I... Yeah, yeah, that's all in the contract. Oh, shit. Dude, full singing career starting for you right now.
La, la, la, la, la. Ariana Grande.
It's time.
Yeah.
So new beginnings. Exciting. Positive relationship vibes. Yeah. That's what we're all about as adults. Yeah. This little company that could exactly write media of ours, you know, we're just, we're doing it and we're trying it and we're pushing it and we're following through. Yeah. As one should in relationships. As you should.
But, you know, it's still the little engine that could as far as, you know, podcast networks go. And we hope that in the next year or two, we get to bring you guys some really fucking awesome new podcasts. That's always the name of the game. New, exciting ones that we like freak out when we hear pitched to us. And so that's the whole point of this.
There really are some exciting new podcasts that are coming out. Yeah. It's great now that we have our feet on solid ground and we have our ad distribution all sorted out and we can just do business as usual. That's right. Now, here's something else we need to talk about in terms of love. People who love us sent us, because we demanded it, ceramic gifts for our ninth anniversary.
And we have gotten so many that twice we have featured these ceramics on this show. Yeah. Now so many that we think we might have to split off and do a separate video featuring just ceramics. I think so. That's how many we've gotten. Yeah. But you guys like these ceramics too.
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Chapter 3: What are some weird Valentine's snacks?
She had to check her notes on that.
Immediate sugar. And then the back of your throat starts to burn. Starts to burn a little. I mean, that was weird. It was like the tasting in the front was full on red velvet. Frosting velvet. Yeah. But the experience in the back was something terrible has happened in the back of your throat.
Right.
I'm not not nauseous, you know. I mean, that's the idea is like Tabasco desserts work against each other. Sure. And that's another installment of eating on a podcast. The thing people hate the most that we insist upon doing. I'm going to cleanse the Tabasco cupcake with a little bit of mac and cheese gummy. Gross. Well, some suggestions for your lover on this beautiful day.
Give him any of those things we just ate.
I bet there's someone who would love Tabasco cupcakes.
Yeah, the guy that hosts Hot Ones. Oh, yeah. One of those kind of people. Well, anything else? Any personal news before we move it along?
I have a podcast recommendation. What is it? It's a true crime podcast called... Beers with Queers. Have you heard of it? No. It's an LGBTQIA plus related true crime podcast. And they have two episodes where they do an interview with the Trans Doe Task Force. Oh, cool. Which I think is so important. It's episode 116 and 117. So I just wanted to mention those and check that podcast out.
Beers with Queers. Beers with Queers. The hosts, Jordi and Brad, are so, so funny. And it's just a great true crime podcast. So make sure you check that out.
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Chapter 4: Who are the Kray twins and what is their story?
Chapter 5: What new podcasts are being recommended?
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All right, you're first. I am first today. Okay, so I have a feeling you're going to know this story, maybe because I've talked about parts of it, but it's the story of two infamous British gangster brothers who achieved folk hero status just a few years after their rise to fame. They were charming, entertaining nightclub owners. Ugh. Ugh. This is the story of the notorious Cray twins.
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Chapter 6: How did the Kray twins rise to fame?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They were very image savvy. Yeah. They styled themselves after characters in American gangster films. They dress in double-breasted suits with their hair slicked back, accessorizing with big chunky rings and gold cufflinks. They even form a friendly relationship with powerful members of the American mafia. Okay. So they're going for it. Yeah.
Right?
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Being an out gay man in this era is very rare. Wow. Homosexuality at the time is against the law in England. But Ronnie lives openly as a gay man. And actually that part of the movie legend is really funny because he is... Ronnie being the big tough guy, he also has this kind of like... He's very like takes the world as it is and very, you know, like of the moment.
So anytime anyone tries to like insult him or try to... infer that there's anything wrong with what he's doing. He's just kind of confused. Like, I don't know what your problem is. Wow. Okay. I mean, that's just the way it's played in the movie, which made me laugh really hard. He's just not having it, really.
And Reggie, who eventually marries a woman named Frances Shea, he's more often described as bisexual. So I feel like Basically, they just do what they want.
Yeah. Like weirdly progressive.
Yeah. And they're very strong tough guy brand that they've created is great for business and kind of goes, you know, it just plays and enables them to do whatever they want. Essentially, they're not clubs are increasingly popular hangouts for glamorous clientele like James Mansfield, Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, even Judy Garland. went there and became a close friend to the Cray brothers.
At one point, she actually introduced the Crays to the Beatles. Judy, who knew? She was the link between. The Cray's mother actually invited Judy Garland to tea. And while she was there, Judy sang somewhere over the rainbow for her. But this is according to Duncan Campbell, the writer. This is the quote from Violet Cray. Judy was a frightened little thing, too skinny.
That was her verdict on having fucking Judy Garland in her house singing. Yep. Wow. Tough. Legendary. Tough lady. I mean, violent. Yeah. So for years, the craze seemed untouchable. When police look into their crimes, the investigations always stall because witnesses are simply too afraid to talk. Sure. But of course, nothing lasts forever.
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