Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
"We Hope We Dance" (w/ Matt & Bowen)
Wed, 05 Feb 2025
Matt and Bowen raise a glass to Beyoncé's ALBUM OF THE YEAR win for Cowboy Carter as they talk Grammys! That means Doechi's all-timer performance, Chappell Roan aka the reigning BEST NEW ARTIST speaking to the people, the absolute END of the Kendrick-Drake beef and whether or not Billie Eilish was "snubbed". Also, Lady Gaga using her VOICE in every meaningful way possible, how LA Fire Department Capt. Sheila Kelliher Berkoh won the night, and how we may be seeing the end of all current pop girlie conflicts. All this, Charli XCX terrorizing the Grammy stage, Gaga's epic new ABRACADABRA!, major MAYHEM anticipation, and an exploration of how it feels to take orders from Gaga again. That's not even all! Matt and Bow hit the strip so there's a Las Vegas recap! Shania and Mariah in one weekend! Lots to say! And finally, Megan 2.0 as Cultural Femininomenon, the trials and tribulations of Karla Sofia Gascón and Bowen gives some artistic direction for Vegas slot machines. Don't touch birds! Clean your nails! Dance or Die!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Oh, I see. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Las Culturistas. Ding dong.
Las Culturistas calling. How do you feel when we're in this setup doing it? I feel like we're recording this on a Monday and it's way PM for me on the West Coast. And I feel like this was always when we recorded it during the pandemic. So it's a little sense for me in a way that's like a little spooky.
What's coming up? What is surfacing?
I don't know. I'm just like, that was a vibe when we were recording it, like, that era. The pandemic Lost Culture recordings were a different moment in Lost Culture history.
For those of y'all that are endeavoring for whatever reason to go back and listen all the way through, first of all, we commend you and applaud you. I can't imagine that as mentally, medically advisable. No. But I hope that those episodes don't feel too... capsule-y in the moment. But of course they are. Because like, what else would they be?
I do feel like every now and then throughout the year, we have these Zoom episodes. I mean, what feels different about it this time? That it's night? Is that what it is?
It's literally time of day. It's literally like I'm looking outside and the darkness has descended. And I'm sitting, you know what really this comes back to again? I'm sitting in this same room that I've been in since February 2020 in LA and must leave. That sounds like a you problem. Oh, it's a major me problem. No, I'm kidding. And here's the thing.
I've been so excited to record all day because when you talk about culture catch-ups, you hope you can recap some culture that's as good as the stuff we've gotten in the last even 24 hours. But for us, the last 72 hours.
Of course.
96.
But how's this for a throwback? Do you want to talk throwback? Yeah. We're going to be talking about the Grammys.
Yep, say it. Say this part.
Which was the topic of conversation for the first ever episode of Los Culturistas.
And that's why it saddens us to say this is the last episode of Los Culturistas. Just kidding, you absolute freaks.
The Kyles came in and stormed the castle and ruined it all.
The Kitties were throwing themselves onto the freeway. Jesus. Jeez. Sorry, guys. Death to all of them.
Jesus Christ.
10 and 2, everyone, or 12 and hand on your hip, if you're like me, driving on the roads because we're cruising into culture. The Grammys were... Last night, we were in Vegas this weekend, and Lady Gaga has... Hit us with it hard. Sorry, Billy. Wow, the coach lately. Bo, the coach lately, Bo.
The coach lately, Matt. Can we outline, chart the course of how we want to discuss this? You brought up Billy. We can talk about snubs, which there's always a few, even for a night that I thought was as great as it was yesterday.
last night it's just it's so rare that it's grammys and we're happy can we say best grammys in our lifetime maybe since 99 maybe i don't know best grammys in our recent lifetime for sure i mean this was fun from the beginning oh it moved i loved the winners i have little qualms here and there but the wealth was being spread i think we got some moments that were kind of live tv unforgettable ever like that entire let's start here
That entire Best New Artist section. Loved. That was a great TV moment. Dochi's performance. How about that?
Catfish into Denial of the River. Phenomenal. Conveyor belt. Ripping the Tom Brown off. All of it. I mean, just her fucking being held in the splits. The training this girl has. Yeah. I think I showed you when Crazy first came out. My first exposure to Doty was a couple of years ago. This video called Crazy.
Love this video. This video went really hard.
Kind of reminds me of Abracadabra, which we will get to.
Don't you worry, freaks.
Don't you worry, freak. I don't know. This is, she is, first of all, historic Grammy win, but she seized that energy and God, I mean, this is, this is so gratifying for her where it's the sobriety journey that she's been on. This album is about that journey and for it to be held up in that way is so cool to see. What an inspiration. We love Dochi in this house.
The only girl that Azalea is afraid of now. Because Azalea tried it with her and Doji was like, please don't do this. You will regret it.
This girl is a bazooka on stage. I mean, it is everything at 10 top quality. I mean, the precision, the vision, the degree of difficulty that she's doing things at. And for it to look this easy, this is exactly what excellence is. I thought there was a second there after that performance and, you know, when she had won Best Rap Album.
And I had thought this when, you know, her new stuff was coming out a little early, right in the voting period. She had that insane performance on, I believe it was Colbert. Colbert.
Oh, yeah.
I was like, this girl could take Best New Artist. And let's not forget Tiny Desk. Absolutely. Oh, the tiny desk was crazy. The tiny desk was out of this world. But she is somebody that is going to be talked about the rest of her life if she wants and plays it right. She's forever. That's a really big, bright superstar.
Yeah, we love Dochi. To go back to the Best New Artist block, loved it. I mean, really stacked year. Ray. Ray, I think is, if anyone besides Billie has a snub narrative around her, I think it's Ray, but it's purely because, and I think this is maybe a thing that we can talk about in terms of
indie artists like ray does not have the same things at her disposal that the other nominees and best new artists did necessarily like the reason maybe that she is still being known is because she's working with what she has and we need to give her more because she is such a talent yeah my god because uh between ray and i think and i want to say clero like
These are the indie girls and the indie artists that like was like the last little crack in the in the China for me was like, oh, this is the thing that we can look at in the future, maybe where it's like, let's give indie artists a little bit more of an apparatus to succeed in this space.
The way that Ray opens up her vocal when she's bouncing, like, cause it's so dexterous and it's so cool. And it's, her albums are like, and her music is like a Rubik's cube to me sometimes where I'm like, I do sometimes, sometimes I wish it were a little bit more streamlined. It's slippery. It's slippery.
But my thing is watching her perform, and I got to see her at Coachella 2 last year, and live, she's crazy. Watching her perform is almost more interesting the way that it's at, because you get to the experience of watching it live and really sitting in it. I think one of my favorite songs for her, and don't read me for this, is Black Mascara, just because it is a little bit more straightforward.
But I'm so blown away with how dynamic she is, and my favorite part of her voice is when she's I mean, she's got the healthiest belt in that room, I think. Well, we can't say that because Cynthia Erivo is maybe the best singer in the world.
You and I had said this, and then I obnoxiously, I'm going to say this to Reader's Key publicist finalist Kyle's, I did text her while she was singing. And I said, I think you are unequivocally one of the best vocalists of all time.
Everything about that performance. That was crazy. The amount of people that went up there and just completely demolished and created a feeling of euphoria in that room.
Yes. It was an entrancing night.
Yeah.
We were all... We were in a literal thrall. We were going crazy watching the TV together. And it was moment after moment. I got my life watching all of it.
My experience, like, I think reached... You know, remember that moment? This was also an award show moment. It was actually number one on the top 200 moment of culture. That feeling of Adele Dazeem happening and you just feel a pure euphoria in your chest watching one of these shows... I had that like three times.
I had that when Chapel performed at the end when she's belting her tits off while they're running the choreo of everyone running on stage. I was up out of my chair, screaming, throwing hands when the entire crowd, it has to feel awful to be Drake. When the entire crowd said a minor, that was so crazy.
That's the industry being on one side of that beef in the craziest, most cruel, but perhaps justified way. It really is over, huh?
Like that, that's wild. It's hard to... I would imagine it's hard to feel good or be able to come back to a good place anytime soon after that one. And then the third moment I had was, I guess, a time... Maybe it's one moment that feels like... Two moments that feels like one, rather, is Beyonce's country album win reaction and then album of the year, which...
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Last night was this crazy reminder to me. I guess, I mean, or unless some people have this tidbit at the back of their head, I'm like, oh my God, not since the miseducation of Lauryn Hill.
It's just like, it's not even about just like her not deserving it. It's about like, it's about so much more. You could just tell everyone in the room was feeling not even just a wrong being righted, but just like that is the person that is the bar for everyone in the room. And she should be up there at the finale of that evening. Finally.
And the way that she was genuinely surprised about Country Album, you knew that was a meme coming like the asteroid and don't look up. It was headed our way. And I've seen so many great artists online do things with that. And great meme artistry happening from these Grammys, I have to say. Lots of visuals. We have a very visual pop star crowd right now. They're giving us a lot to look at.
Yeah, it feels nice. I do want to shout out the heroes and, as they call themselves, sheroes, who were the firefighters, and especially Miss Mama, who... weeks ago was engulfed in flames, saving lives, you know, trying to put out these fires. Was this the one who actually said the name of the album? She said the name of the album, but she was giving me something close to an Adele Dazeem moment.
Yeah.
Because she, with her full chest and conviction, a hero, a shero. Mm-hmm, shero. I clapped in my room alone. when she so confidently said- This was the moment we were waiting for.
At the end of this huge, touching, amazing culmination of the night, which was to help rebuild LA after these fires, they pass it on to her and she goes, and she's about to like roll out the nominees, go to that package, she goes, And now the nominee for Album of the Year. And I said, Miss Mama.
The nominee for Album of the Year because she knew only one really mattered. It's that and then- Because only one would ultimately be the winner. And that's something that she was thinking about that we weren't. Are there even nominees when one's going to win? Think about that.
Think about that. And she opens up that envelope. She gasps, holds it to her chest. Holds it to her chest. then says the words, Cardboard Cowboy Carter.
Cardboard Carter. Cardboard Cowboy Carter. I wish she had not corrected. I wish we had gotten Cardboard Cowder. Cardboard Cowder. Cardboard Cowder.
Title of that, Cardboard Cowder. Cardboard Cowder. That is the title of that. I'm not being, I'm not being facetious here.
She was incredible. No, she had the star energy that everyone in the room wishes they had.
This woman was saying goodbye to her family every day to fight these fucking fires. Yep. We just need to put that on TV more. At award shows, bring out real people.
In a real way, the entire night was a perfect balance of acknowledging, obviously, the trauma that everyone has been through and the fear that people have, but also the little moments of levity. Like, I loved when... I mean, it's obviously devastating. This is the reality that we even have to have this. But the fact is, like...
There was a couple moments where they show people going through rubbish and finding wedding rings. Those little moments of hope. I mean, they probably raised a lot of money. They said $7 million at that one point in the show. I was moved to donate. Everyone should donate. I mean, it was a really well-balanced evening in a time that feels so... fucking messed up.
And obviously, so much has been going on in the past couple weeks. And we, by the way, just want to affirm our solidarity with the trans community and just make sure that everyone knows that we got their back because what's going on is so fucked up.
But it was great to see so many people standing up, using their voices in a time that feels weird because it feels like we're letting one person control everything. And I'm not talking about Trump. I'm talking about Elon fucking Musk. I just watched this crazy... YouTube video with Jasmine Crockett before I got on here. The vibes are so all over the place.
Because Beyonce's album of the year, but Elon's taking over the world. It's at a fever pitch right now.
It's just crazy that you have a Best New Artist winner say something, speak so cogently and directly to this, like, real issue that so many people, not even just musicians... as so many people understand. And meanwhile, it's all these headlines being like, the Democrats don't have a message. It's like, well, what the fuck? Then what the fuck are you doing? It's right there. It's crazy.
Then like this queer girl is reading from her moleskine or from her like term or whatever, speaking to the people in a way that like, is so invigorating and so validating and tragic and dark and all of these things. But meanwhile, there's a messaging issue for this horrible, horrible, dysfunctional party. It's so crazy. I mean, yes, there was something about last night, the Grammys, that was...
life-affirming and beautiful and communal and all these things, but it also, sadly, felt, like, ensconced in that space only. And, like, we need to sort of let that out. We need to ventilate that whole vibe. I don't know how I sound like a fucking idiot saying this, but, like... No, I agree. I mean... That's what I want.
That's what I was thinking about the entire time. I was just like, it's so crazy to hear these attacks on DEI, which I can't even believe... is an acronym that we're discussing in this way. Just say a slur. Just say any slur. It's like a given that obviously diversity strengthens everything, period. Our country, our world, period. You're watching this night.
It's like, even on a vibe check alone, if you're at home watching that, you're not questioning things a little bit. Like... I'm so happy that they didn't make explicit mention of Trump or whatever, because then he would have felt the need to pick on people or get in a fight with this award show, as it were. He loves to just feud with them as if they're individuals.
But it's just crazy that we can hold both right now. It's wild that people can't see... That there is a truth and a light. I don't know. It is wild.
I went a little crazy as the night went on as they were wrapping the evening around the fires, which they should have. And I think they executed that beautifully. And the objective was met, which was money was raised. The other piece of that that was missing, I thought, was why aren't you acknowledging that this is climate change? Yeah. Like, why are we why are we afraid to acknowledge this?
Which is why when Gaga finally says trans people are not invisible, I burst into tears because I just I was just holding this. There was just this tension the entire time of like, so we're just not going to like talk about any of this. We're not going to acknowledge how everything is fucking is the bleakest it's been in a long time. Yeah.
Yeah.
there are all these different forces at play and all these different whims and so many things that like are beyond comprehension, but there was just something like finally, like finally some valve was like turned a little bit when someone acknowledges like, The way that the industry is so fucking crazy in terms of developing artists.
The way our current attitude towards transgender people is... Unacceptable. Inhumane. Yeah. Inhumane, just full stop. Like... Yes. Gaga... Thank you. Like, truly. Thank you. This is why this is why I'm like, we energized on Gaga, not just because of Abracadabra, but because it's like, wow, she's at an award show. She is like using this platform in the way that is has always been true to her.
As a leader, as a real leader, as a true leader and a true ally and a true icon to the queer community. And she knew that this was... I mean, not that she needs an opportunity. She knew this was her duty to do that. And it is so real. And then for her... to release that song.
And it's not meaningful because of this, because it's meaningful on its own merits because the song is so great and it's just so exciting and it's so gaga. But also, it does call back to a time in her career which felt like we didn't have to worry about the world hugging us back. You know what I mean?
Like it was giving that born this way vibe that those kinds of sounds like it was so it was like a hug. It was like a sweaty, euphoric Molly hug from Lady Gaga towards the queer community. And we fucking needed that. And I again was this is, I guess, another moment from the telecast, which I guess we're considering it a part of it. But I was up out of my chair.
I could not sit down last night watching these Grammys. I really couldn't. It was just, it's so fitting too to come at the end of a musical year that was so honestly important because it was a one constant throughout this year was that music, popular music, while we can have problems with the industry aspects of it, it really was a salve all year. And it felt like you saw the people,
in that room getting the credit and having some fun together that had really been there in our ears all year. To put it in super simple terms, but it just felt good. And for her to do that was, yes, a moment that was so necessary. Thankful for the cuts to the audience.
Whoever's in the control room, Bravo, bravo,issimo. You were jamming. You were jamming. The cuts to Taylor were not too excessive. Let that girl dance in peace.
I love Taylor Swift at that award show because you know what? She's kicking back those champagne flutes. She is putting on Janelle Monae's jacket, keeping it on all night. She's dancing around because I guess for her, it's like she might as well have fucking fun. Of course, she knows the entire world is going to judge her anyway. Sure. I'll be the only one standing up. Good. Let her.
I hope I can get to a place in my life where I can go anywhere and I want to dance. I do it. That's what I'll say. I hope. I dance. In the words of Leanne Womack, I'm repurposing the queen, but I hope I dance.
Or how about you flip it and go, you hope I dance. Make it a command. How about we flip it and reverse it?
We hope we dance. Wow. Maybe that's the title of that. We hope we dance. We hope we dance. That's actually good. We hope we dance for Gaga. The category is dance or die.
Absolutely. But we just have to give a shout out to Miss Carboy Cowder.
Cardboard Carter is... I mean, that was a great moment in time. And the fact that no one... There was no little titters. There was no little laughter. We're the only stupid idiots that are making an issue of it. But Beyoncé just clean one... Cardboard Cardio.
Just to finally put a period on this, we need to say, Captain Sheila Kelleher-Burko, you are truly a legend. You were perfect. And now the nominee for Album of the Year, it just brings me joy. I'm truly, I just have to make myself clear, I'm not making fun of this person. No. I just, that brought me joy.
I'm like, this is, this is who we need to uplift. To me, I was like, my whole thing was like, this feels like central casting LA firefighters. I'm like, this woman is everything. She's holding the space. Her hair. Yeah. The hair was... Perfect. It was kind of giving throwback. It was kind of giving, you know, late 80s, early 90s country woman. It was giving Judd.
It's giving Judd. And I was thinking, it's giving Judd meets Ava Max. Uneven sides. Wow. Do you know what I mean? She just had one side of the hair over the shoulder and the other behind. But I did think of my girl Ava.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why I thought it was giving Judd, but you know what I'm saying? It's like... No, it is Judd.
No, I totally know what you're saying.
Yeah, there was a nod here. I mean, I think not only were most of the musical acts and album of the year going country, I think so was L.A. Firefighters. Shiro.
Shiro. I... do you want to talk about this idea of righting wrongs? Because I agree with that. And I also think, did we overcorrect by having these poor people from the Academy be forced to apologize publicly to The Weeknd?
I think that if they felt they needed to do that, then it's good that they did that. Because clearly there was something wrong. I mean... Clearly. Yeah, I mean, come on. We have to give credit also, Sabrina took home two. And I was confronted a little bit in some group chats about people being like, really espresso for pop vocal performance.
Let me tell you something about that tasty little cookie voice. You hop on the track. That song is a hit because of her vocal. It is a warm little summer coo. And just because a vocal is not rangy does not mean it doesn't have artistic value.
It is an artistic choice to whisper like this on a song. Yes, that is performance. So I guess you can't stand Lana anymore if you took issue with this, this win.
A coup is a choice. A coup is a choice. That's actually rule of culture number six.
A coup is a choice.
And you know that one will be in the book. And now, after every rule of culture, we're going to have to signify whether or not it's going to be in the book, which is officially happening.
Absolutely. Sabrina, I thought... I did not know the reference until the next day that it was Goldie Hawn. It was a Goldie reference. Love that, actually. She is... That's the thing. I'm like, the death becomes her thing. Like, it's all coming together, really.
Telegenic doesn't really cover it, huh? Because it's another thing to hit the spot where you're supposed to stand, have the light hit you, and bring joy to the world. It's another thing, too. How do I put this? So much control over the movement in her eyes. Like, beep, beep, beep. She's like a little cartoon cookie that I want to bite out of, quite frankly.
Well, you know, there is this thing going on where people are commenting on a reel, and maybe a TikTok as well, of Miss Aidy Bryant on Seth Meyers recently, and a lot of the comments... blowing up saying, oh my God, she looks just like Sabrina Carpenter. And I think it's in the eyes, it's in the nose, it's in the beautiful lips, but the eyes really do have it, as they say.
If you are someone who has control over where the eyes beep and boop, you are made in the shade.
You're made in the shade and you're made for TV. What I love too about Sabrina's performance, I love that she comes out, does espresso, does please, please, please, and then goes back to espresso. As if to comment on, no, the song is never over. This is never over. This is a movement, not a moment.
This was an earworm, a monoculture song when people said that those weren't possible anymore.
What do you think was in her flask all night?
Hard to say. I mean, she was really loving sipping from it, and I want to say, but she kept her composure in a way that makes me go, maybe she's just doing a fun little performance.
I think it was a Jennifer Pedranti Malibu and Diet. Not Jennifer Pedranti. You heard what I said. My girl gives Jennifer Pedranti, okay? Sabrina and Jennifer Pedranti, I want to see that Actors on Actors.
I want to say, speaking of Sabrina, let's tie this into producer of the year non-classical goes to Dan Nigro, who is apparently working with Sabrina. Oh, I love that. Does that maybe add something explanatory to this little bit of gossip that Sabrina and Olivia were chit-chatting last night?
I mean, first of all, if you don't think I scrutinized the video of them hugging, you'd be deeply mistaken. Was there a hug? There is a big hug. There was happy chatter. Because I'll tell you what the Recording Academy, the literal actual Recording Academy does, is they put those reaction shots up, like the crowd footage. No one's safe. Like Bruno Mars reacts to Dochi's performance.
You know what I mean? Like this, this, that. And I was like, this is so funny of them to just dive in in this way and double dip. And not just like a, you know, we're officially like giving... quality honors, and then we're also dipping into the celebrity aspect of it.
But they had me, and I will say, can confirm, it seems good between Sabrina and Olivia, and I think they might do Lost Coach together. Just kidding. But start the rumor. Well, the end game of this is collab. Absolutely. The end game is they take this podcast from us. Yes! Yeah. They would be better. And we can be pop stars. Asian and a blonde. Asian and a blonde. Wait.
We really are Olivia and Sabrina. In a way. An Asian and a blonde.
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I want to say that. on the note of the Grammys, the Recording Academy kind of putting grist for the mill out there. Good expression.
Oh, you ate that. Grist for the mill.
Girl.
Where does that have its origins? I think from mills. I think from millwork. Did you just hear my Vegas laugh? That horrible, horrible sound.
We haven't even touched on Vegas, guys. We will get to it because there's a couple more big things we need to talk about. We need to revisit Abracadabra, first of all.
Yeah, we're not done with Abracadabra. We haven't even picked up the wand. Or the hat.
Cast your spell of night. Are you fucking kidding me? Oh, my God.
Grist for the mill real quick. It's like the Academy.
Are you fucking kidding me? I'm sorry. I'm jumping ahead. Go say what you need to say to the recording Academy.
Remember like when they were tweeting the day before, like this person sitting with this person.
Yeah.
Like that huge list of like, Oh, why are they doing this? Because it's getting us excited because they knew that the night would be hugely eventful and interesting.
And I thank them. There was a photo, and it's going around as the Powerpuff Girls, of Sabrina Carpenter, Chapel Roan, and Billie Eilish all together looking like three legends and slaves. And I just wanted Olivia in there. I wanted to get my girl in there. I wanted a four. I wanted that picture of Kesha, Nicki Minaj, Katy Perry, and Rihanna redone.
Right. It is also giving Charlie's Angels and does that make Olivia the Jimmy Moore?
You know what? All I'm saying is it seemed united in there. Even like, oh my God, I can't believe I scrutinized these videos so much. But the recording academy posted them. Like even just sort of, you know, the girls walking by each other and it seemed civil in there. And they knew. They knew the world needed to see harmony. Yeah. I'm just going to put this out there, okay?
And I think this is somewhat responsible of me. And I think this speaks to something and this obsession that we have around these narratives that we form around these people.
Yes.
I'm going to tell you firsthand... These people like each other, okay? Yeah. They just like each other. And I can tell you primary sources. I'm not gonna tell you which, but you can guess. At the end of the day, these people respect and love each other and they're all in this together. All right? And the same is true with podcasters.
Put your weapons down. Put your weapons down. Put your... And because, let me tell you something, stop with all this feud about podcasters. Stop with the stuff with the feud about Matt Bowe, Cat Pat, Joel Kim. Stop with the feud. Dax Shepard. Y'all are always putting us in a feud with Dax Shepard. And can we just say, we love the man. And we all know each other, okay? We hang out.
We respect each other as artists.
Wait, Dan Nigro, I'm just saying that is, I mean, that's like an anointing that I think is really, really cool. And I liked his earring. Yes. And Amy Allen, songwriting of the year, songwriter of the year on Classical. Very good. This woman, short and sweet. All the big tracks on short and sweet. Along with Julia Michaels. We love Julia Michaels. I think she was there last night. Looked so happy.
Looked just so proud to represent all the work that she's done. But especially on short and sweet. But Amy Allen. Apatow with Rosé and Bruno. Behind that. And was Sky Riley, Smile 2. She wrote all the Smile 2 tracks.
Oh, wow. Yeah, people are really living for that.
Like this girl is one to watch.
She's there. I mean, she's the Grammy winner for Snow White of the Year. And also another thing. The Billie of it all. Somebody in this situation was going to have like a off night in terms of taking things. Totally. But the good news is for Billie Eilish is she has nine. Nine. She has two Academy Awards. And I think that isn't she a winner?
She was a nominee for most awards award for most awards at the Culture Award.
So she's nominated for an LCCA.
She's good on the hardware. Yeah.
She's really good on the hardware, but it is... She's got hardware, you know, coming out of her booty. It's just tough because that is perhaps her best album. And to have no... I get it. I totally get it. No, but you're right. It's like, what would we have traded? You know what I mean?
I would have made a trade. I can pitch a trade. Here's what I'll say. Song of the Year. Song of the Year, give it to Billie Eilish if she's going to go home empty-handed everywhere else. No, no, no. Record of the Year. Because Song of the Year is definitely not like us. Yeah, I'm one of them.
I mean, so if you're looking at it in terms of songwriting, yeah, I guess the reason why Not Like Us is as high impact is because of the writing.
But record of the year, I'm just saying like, just production wise, Birds of a Feather is so, come on.
That would be my trade. And that's just in a world where it's less fun when those awards are one by one song.
totally, and also in categories filled with these amazing, stacked with these women, like, it all gets split and Kendrick does emerge out of that victorious, which, sly.
I was a little worried for Chapel there when somebody looked like it was going to be a Sabrina sweep. I was like, I mean, as much as I live and die for Sabrina, I was like, we can't, we have to have Chapel up there getting something, especially after that performance. Best New Artist is the perfect award for her to win because not only is she the most high impact, you know, exciting artist,
new star of the year, critically and commercially, I would, you know, wager to say. But also, the way that she changes the way we talk about them. And the way that, just the way she's demanded respect, the way that she commanded the room last night, she... You know, it's almost like she was being given, not license, but the fact that everyone in that room was down to stand up and applaud.
And she had Taylor fucking Swift standing up and applauding that sentiment. That is... huge. It's a major.
Taylor's always going to ride for like the work. Yeah. What chapel was saying was the work should not devastate us in this. And it's because of the record. It's because of the industry.
Yeah.
Like this girl got fucking dry. Like it's, that's another like slight similarity to Gaga where it's like, Oh, these, these are both huge visionary artists, queer artists who, um, we're fucked over by this, by this business. Yeah.
The insight into the music industry that I do have, I will say it's shocking when you realize how hard it is to make money, when you realize how much work goes into this stuff. It would shock you. It is so much harder. It's incomparable to any other... section of the entertainment industry that I could see. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's just a class issue that she spoke to. And you are so right when you said that, 100%. Because, of course, people who work hard for systems that can reward them with basic human dignity should be given that dignity.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Speaking of people who put in the work to change something, hopefully, institutionally... Charlie XCX, finally a Grammy winner. Yeah. So incredible to think because she literally has a song about how she goes to the Grammys to be a terrorist, basically. Like, incredible.
This is someone who, like, carved her own path, had her own vision for what she was going to do, dabbles between being a quote-unquote mainstream pop artist, and then has, like, swung the pendulum in such a
crazy, incredible way that to see her finally get rewarded in this way and to see her have this celebratory victory lap at the Grammys in a way that's like a little bit like gratuitous, a little bit like... I even was clutching my pearls a little bit. I was like, oh, this is a lot. But by the end of it, I was like, that's exactly what it should have been.
It was uncompromising, which is what's been so incredible about her. It was brat. It was the last... Not the last, because who's to fucking say? But it was an exclamation point on that whole fucking album cycle.
Because guess what? Even if you're one of those people out there who's like, oh, I'm so over Brat, like, blah, blah, blah. She makes drug use seem uncool. That's kind of built into her view on this, which is this is going to rub someone the wrong way no matter what, no matter at what time in the cycle and the development of this album. era for me, quote unquote.
It's kind of bulletproof, and I think it's brilliant.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I still stand that it was the album of the year culturally. I will always think that.
Yes, yes. I agree. I agree.
If the trade is that Beyonce gets that moment for what is essentially a career of greatness, then everything is right with the world. But... they knew it too, that that was the thing that we would want to end the show on because it was the last performance. And even if Beyonce took the award, Charlie XCX punched us in the fucking face. And that's exactly what should have happened.
And her screaming at the end of it, happy birthday, Julia Fox on the Grammy awards. I love it. That was, yeah. Great programming.
Great programming.
When are we like this about any award show? When?
No, I know, truly. This is a rare moment, and we should seize it, and we should live in this for as long as possible. Charli is the fourth woman, fourth solo female artist to win Best Dance Electronic Album after Madonna, Gaga, Beyonce.
Crazy.
She joins those people. It's crazily a category dominated by like by men, Aphex Twin or Male Axe, Daft Punk, Chemical Brothers, Skrillex, Fred again, which love to those people. But it is so weird that it's like you would think that women would dominate that. But let's see if it shifts at all. Like that seems to be like a fertile ground.
Even still, I will never tire of a girly pop or even a Kia putting out a dance electronic album.
No. I mean, first of all, can I just say Charlie and Gaga are fucking going to be at Coachella. It's and that's just that's it's so soon and it's going to be so fucking soon. Like now let's talk about abracadabra because I was texting you guys. We were in the group chat texting and I had, you know, walked away from the TV for a second because I figured, you know, commercial break.
And I just remember looking over and seeing her in that fucking red spiked get up and And knowing that Mother Monster was present and speaking, she tapped on that mic. And I just texted you guys, guys, look at the TV. Oh, trust me.
I was already looking. But I'm like you. I turned away for a second. And then I heard her say, the category is dance or die. And I was like, something's happening.
Well, you know what it is? I know Jared, and I know Jared had muted the TV because he does that during commercials.
No.
I just needed everyone to be on the same page that she was... I thought it was just going to be a clip. I thought it was just going to be, you know, maybe 15 seconds and it to announce that there was a new single. It was the entire video. And then presented by MasterCard at the end did make me laugh. I did actually collapse with laughter. But wow. Wow.
The visuals, they were exciting the entire time. She looks insane. The post-chorus, Bo? The post-chorus. And now it's making me love disease even more. And we said this when it came out that we could not wait to hear it in context. It is going to be so good in context. The way that song starts, when you hear this other song, it's just, it's going to breathe.
It's going to really feel very good live. This is going to be very good. Mayhem is going to be extremely,
She does a 30-minute extended interview with Rolling Stone about just with all the stems of disease. She's playing you the snare, the kick, the bass, all the vocals, everything in the stack. It's like, go and listen to this because it will open up the entire world of disease for you and you will understand it to be one of the best Gaga songs.
Just trust me. Not since the BTS... feature out on The Substance? Has there been a 30-minute explainer that's been so necessary? We haven't seen this in weeks. It's been weeks since we've seen this.
I just think mayhem is gonna be a gaggy time for many reasons. That's all we can say.
I mean, she said, I have long dreamed of a time of hosting a dance party in the desert. I have long dreamed. And then you do hear that dream in this music. I was like, this is meant to be amongst the stars, the skies, and the sands.
This is what's going on in my life. I tragically can only make it to Sunday night of weekend one. I am now extending my stay in California so that I cannot possibly miss Friday weekend two when Gaga goes out.
I think it's worth it. I think you have to be there. No, are you kidding me?
I have to see her. I have to. She's my favorite. I love her so much. I burst into tears last night. I burst into tears when she said trans people are not invisible. I was like, this woman, this woman has been so important to us. Do you understand? Of course you do.
I mean, it's just... We need to thank her. It's not to be missed. This is not going to... And also, just her getting carried in, her goofy face when she's like...
how do you even describe it's when she's center frame in the video and there she's seated and she's in her chair just like having a spasm I'm like yeah this is the Gaga that it's funny because she did come back with Chromatica she gave Dance Pop again and all this stuff about like you know her return to the dance floor we've talked about it like we've been like excuse me knock knock
We just got back from our long trip to Chromatica. We got on a spaceship and went to Chromatica. I don't understand why you don't remember this. You threw up, Mark. You threw up on the spaceship.
Right. Mark. Mark is not Kyle. But now does it do anything for you that there are these visuals that are... I mean, absolutely. Yeah.
Because it, I don't know, like Chromatica was actually speaking to art pop a little bit in a way that I kind of loved. It was more, it was living in a more art poppy space for me. I don't know how to describe it other than like brighter. Like when you saw Stupid Love, you were like, okay, you know, this is, but this is dark, spooky, haunted house Gaga. I've wanted to go back to this haunted house.
I liked it. You've long wanted to go back to this haunted house. I'd like the drama. And Chromatica had drama, of course. I mean, those instrumentals that Chromatica 1, 2, and 3, like that broke up the album. It was there, but there's a vocal drama in what she's doing here. And there is a lot of characterization that is new, which is really exciting to hear from her.
Like this vocal fry that she is using, but it's like placed differently. You know what I'm talking about, right?
I absolutely know what you're talking about.
She's made discoveries vocally.
Well, it's interesting that you say Chromatica is in dialogue with ArtPop because I am getting the sense that Mayhem is, in many ways, also in dialogue with ArtPop because Abracadabra does remind me, does seem to be a child between Aura and Venus.
Okay, I can definitely feel that. For me, it's just, it's more like... But it is giving Fame Monster... Not Shaisa, it's Swine. Swine. But Swine was also art pop, so you are right. Interesting.
Very interesting. I think what gave me chills to think about was if this is hearkening back to the darker tracks of Born This Way and the Fame Monster, I thought, well, the Fame Monster wasn't even a full-length fucking album. And if we're about to get that... And I think I love that it's ending on Die With a Smile, by the way. Personally, I think it will fit. It will work in the sequence.
I just think this is going to be a hugely important album for us, for many people. I just have a feeling she is having fun. She is competent. She's doing stuff. She's going to be at the SNL February 14th show at Radio City. I cannot wait to see her.
That's going to be amazing. Last time we saw her at Radio City was the Tony Bennett show. That iconic Tony Bennett show.
That iconic Tony Bennett show. I have some intel on what she might be doing at the show, and it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. That's all I can say.
March 7th. I mean, that's two days after my birthday. This is a birthday gift. This is Pisces season gaga. It doesn't feel Pisces. It's not giving that, but just know that it will be meaningful.
Well, it's Pisces season for you, and it's a Scorpio album for me, perhaps.
I would say.
Not to center ourselves in this, but... I would agree with that deeply. Paris Goebbels, Bethany Vargas, co-directing this video with Gaga. Bravo. I thought it was going to be a return to Nick Knight because it felt very fame, the Eau de Parfum commercial. I don't know if you remember that where she is in a dark space and all these muscular men are climbing a giant version of herself.
There was just a lot of parallels. But the narrative of this video, I think, so beautiful to me. It's just her in red. It's a battle between light and dark. And guess what? The light wins. The light wins.
And also, I mean, just the fact that her and the dancers are just gathered there so Mother Monster can order them to play her little game. Category is Dance or Die. They dance for her. And they dance. We see the routine. We see the passion. We see the dance. And then at the end... They look up and Mother Monster is looking away. And then she looks at the camera as if to say, yes, acceptable.
And the last shot of the video is Gaga on the floor looking up like, and it's like, she's, you know, she's done her job. She's won. She has not died. She's pleased Mother Monster. She can continue on today.
Well, Gaga has said in the last 24 hours since this video came out, that this video is about a path forward. And the only path forward, the only alternative to dying is to what?
Dance.
Category is dance or die. I don't care that I'm reading too much into this. I really don't care. There's something that is healing about me being obsessed with a Lady Gaga song like this that we are all obsessed with because she's given it to us so many times before.
I feel like Rain On Me was like one of the only bright spots in that lockdown period where we were all listening to this song at the same time and it felt incredible. I just, I can't thank her enough. I can't thank this woman enough.
It's just coming from a very commanding place. And I think that's all we really want to do is take orders from Gaga. You know what I mean? That's ultimately what I, the only leader that I believe in as of right now is Lady Gaga.
Yeah.
She says dance or die. So that's an easy choice for me. Right. Personally, but I'm not a nihilist. I'm an optimist.
You're an optimist.
The opposite of a nihilist.
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Let's talk about another... Let's talk about Vegas. We had fun. We had a lot of fun, didn't we?
We had Shania on Friday. We had Mariah on Saturday. And we had Destruction on Sunday. How did you feel getting on the plane from Vegas to New York? Because my plane ride from Vegas to LA was tough.
And famously, that's a quick one.
Oh, yeah. It's really no big deal in the eyes of God.
Right. Think about this. Five-hour flight for me.
Willing to think about it. Willing to.
But I do feel comfortable sharing this because it did gag me.
Okay.
I told you this already.
Yeah, oh, okay, good. I think this is definitely fair game.
I get on my plane. I have my blinders on. Then I see at the foot of my seat a little bottle of hand sanitizer or something. And I was like, oh, that's not mine. I pick it up. I go to my seat partner next to me, lovely man named Michael. We got to chatting. I said, excuse me, is this yours? He goes, no. I turn around. Excuse me, is this Mariska Hargitay?
NBC icons on the plane.
She said, oh, that's my perfume. And we shared a laugh. She was making jokes with me. Did she recognize the queen? I did not want to bother her. I think she was with her wonderful daughter. Uh-huh. And then upon deplaning, we just exchanged pleasantries. She was there to see me at Borghese.
Ah, okay.
And I was very vulnerable and shared with her that I was there too. She was like, this isn't a work week. I was like, I was there to see Shania Mariah. And she goes, oh, well, of course. So glad I got to share that with.
There were like two crowds in Vegas. There was the Nate Bargatze standup crowd and there was the Shania Mariah crowd. There was the Sharia Law.
Sharia Law. Well, there was the Sharia Law crowd. And what's the Bargetze pun that we can come up with now? We can't really. Bargetsy. Bargetsy.
Bargetsy laughing.
Bargetsy Pargetty.
This is why we are not Nate Bargetsy. And there's not people making the pilgrimage to Vegas to see us.
And we can't even be clean comics. We got to put dirty words and say hole and cock and stuff.
We're saying hole and cock for laughs. We're out here begging on the street. We're destitute comedically saying hole and cock for laughs. We are destitute comedically. Pathetic wastes. It's true. It's true. Anyway, we saw Shania on Friday. Here's what I'm going to say about the Shania show. Incredible energy from Shania. We need to get her in a better outfit, guys. My girl was wearing a negligee.
She was comfortable, but can we get an outfit on her in Vegas, please? Dazzle us with the outfits. Come on. Don't do Shania like that in a peach negligee. Totally.
Totally.
She's saying, honey, I'm home and I had a hard day.
But you know, also, up, up, up can only go up from here.
How is she going to get us good? How is she going to get you good in a peach negligee and a top hat? Get that woman in a better outfit. I'm serious. And that's going to be my brave take today.
Okay.
Because she gave us a performance and the songs are songing.
Yeah.
But she was in that outfit I didn't like for too long. And then now it's got a little bit better. But this is Las Vegas. This is the Bach Theater at Planet Hollywood.
Right, right. I will say one of the great, great songs is Man, I Feel Like a Woman.
There's no disputing. I would have started with it. She ended with it. I do think Man, I Feel Like a Woman at the top would have really got us going.
But Man, I Feel Like a Woman is the defying gravity of songs, I would say.
You think that Man, I Feel Like a Woman is the defying gravity of songs? It's a war cry. It is. That don't impress me much. I just feel like I can never get over the de-heightened between... Okay, so you're a rocket scientist? Okay, so he's got a car. Okay, so you're a rocket scientist. Okay, so he's Brad Pitt.
Okay, so you're Brad Pitt.
Okay, so you got a car. Shania, that doesn't work comedically. We need Shania and UCB sketch 101.
So you're saying car, rocket scientist, Brad Pitt, or car... This...
Here's what I would rather. Here's what I would rather. In order. I would rather the guy I'm fucking have a car. Well, first thing, I would say even baseline living in LA, have a car.
And I don't relate to that because I live in New York and most of us take public transportation.
Right. But okay. So you have, I mean, for me, it's like car is one thing you can get from place to place. Like it's not going to be tough to see you next. I would say, Okay, rocket scientist then for me. Because it's like, you're clearly successful. You know what I mean? I don't know that we can talk about a lot of things because I don't know anything about rocket science.
But I like that you're engaged in what you do. You know what I mean? Because I don't think you're a rocket scientist by accident. I think if you're a rocket scientist, you love rockets and everything there about you applied yourself in this way. And congratulations. Would rather fuck you than someone that just had a car.
And then even though I'm concerned about like a high probability of narcissism, I can't deny Brad Pitt would be the most desirable thing for me and Matt Rogers out of those things. So that's the order I think it should go. Because I think the dick would be so good that the narcissism wouldn't matter that much.
And I'm also not positive that Brad Pitt is a narcissist, but it's just that he's Brad Pitt.
Right. I mean, that woman in France or whatever gave away so much money because she thought this guy was him.
Sure. I mean, people have given away a lot more and less.
Mm-hmm.
My thing with Brad Pitt is it's like, we can go there. Yeah. But that would be the natural progression for me. And I just think... I don't think it would be too tough to do. We'd have to look at the verse. But, you know, we could do it. I... Imagine we rewrite that Don't Impress Me Much, a hugely successful song on this episode. We just rewrite it and restructure it, pitch it to her. She says no.
Which she has every right to do.
No, she... Trust me, I hope... She never has to know about us. I hope the only word she ever says to me is no. I hope I go up there and I go, Shania, I love... I hope I just hear no.
Yeah.
That would be fine.
Totally. I would say... Car. But again, I don't relate. You don't necessarily need them to have a car, though. I'm going to say something crazy.
Okay.
My order, Brad Pitt.
Sure. You don't care.
Of course I care. He's an amazing actor, a talent, an icon. Great looking guy. Handsome guy. But troubled, I would say.
Too much.
troubled.
Let's fuck once.
And it do impress on me much that it's him. But it would be more impressive if I met you and after you look like Brad Pitt, you also have a car in New York City. I say, wow. This guy is one to watch.
Okay, so there's Brad Pitt, there's then car. You're saying Rocket Scientist is your most desirable? The greatest heightened?
You gotta be really smart.
Doesn't mean you have good stroke game.
I don't know. I think maybe I'm a sapiosexual.
I don't think you are. Can I say something about you? I've never thought you were a sapiosexual for one second.
I know. I'm kidding, girl. I am shallow. I really am.
If you are fucking a rocket scientist and the stroke game is on 10, we want you to be on an episode of Lost Coach. We'll do the voice change thing on you. But if you're fucking a rocket scientist who is the best sex of your life or anything close to it, please contact us. Somehow, someway, you'll find a way, I'm sure. And don't play games. Don't mess around. Please don't mess around.
Don't fake that you're fucking a rocket scientist. And don't try to find someone that is. I'm talking to people. And Bowen, I'm sure you agree with me here. We cut the bullshit. If you're fucking a rocket scientist and the stroke game is looking like what Dylan O'Brien does in the Sundance movie he's in that he just won that award for. Did you see that GIF?
I did not.
Stroke Game has to be on Dylan O'Brien, Rocket Scientist, then Contact Glass College. We want you to come on. Not for a full episode. We'll do 10 minutes.
I will say, if it is the triple crown of Rocket Scientist, Carr, Brad Pitt, it's happening. If you're all three.
Oh, period. If you're Brad Pitt, you're a rocket scientist, and you have a car, you could fuck Lost Gulch.
So maybe the order doesn't matter at the end of the day.
No, no, no. Because in a world where the thing I'm thinking about is song structure, it matters deeply.
Of course, of course. Fine.
But... It don't impress on me much... that I have a little sigh come out of my body every time So You Got a Car happens at the end of that song. I'm never going into that final chorus as excited as I could be because I feel... I don't know.
I'm waiting. Brad Pitt is, you're right, on a songwriting level, on a heightened level, absolutely, Brad Pitt is the last one. I agree with you. I thought we were just sharing our personal values and priorities.
No, I mean, listen, and I think it's important that we did because I think it'll affect the songs that we write. And I think that now the audience knows what to expect from us a little bit better. And listen, if Shania's whole thing, and remember, she's from like a place in Canada that I think her town doesn't even have a name.
If for her, having the car is the number one thing, look, I don't know what the Canadian reality is. I don't know what the country Canadian reality is. If having a car is huge to her, maybe she's really excited. Maybe she's, I don't know. What are we going to do? Autophiliac? Maybe Shania wants to, maybe she has a thing with cars.
Yeah, sure. Mariah Carey. And there's one more, and remind me to go back to one more thing about the Grammys that we did, a huge thing that we missed, but let's, I don't want to break up this.
Okay, I knew there was going to be something. I knew there was going to be something that we had missed and I had a panic attack about it simply.
Your job's going to drop, but let's talk about Mariah. Do you want to talk about Mariah or do you want to go back to Grammys? Let's talk about Mariah. Okay. Mariah Carey, you are such a legend. I mean, not that we need to tell you we already have to your face, but seeing you live, seeing you sing these songs in chronological order of release, and for you to end at Mimi is both...
Cruel and also a testament to your genius as a songwriter and an artist and a vocalist because there's so many other hits after that that you could have put into the set list, but you chose not to because you want it to be what? A celebration of Mimi.
I just feel like you can't really name anyone else who can only do 40 seconds of every single one of her songs because there's so many. And there's only so much time in a night. And then there's still shit. You're leaving being like, oh, she didn't do this. She didn't do this. She didn't do this. She didn't do this. But the fact is, next residency. How about that?
For her to mash up Honey and Heartbreaker into one song, that was tough. But then you go, I get it. She wants to get out of there. But those are two standalone, perfect pop songs that, yes, maybe have similarities structurally or chord-wise. But, come on, give them their own moment. Those are so perfect. We're not telling you how to do your job, Mariah. Oh, please. That was my only thing.
We're just saying we love you so much.
Literal only thing with the whole show is she mashes up Honey and Heartbreaker. And I was like, ooh, those are both literally my two favorites. But I'll say the songs that she did do full lengths of...
always be my baby dream lover which by the way this was my one thing I'm kicking myself that I didn't say to Ariana on the episode when we had her I think that when Mariah eventually has her Kennedy Center honors Ariana should sing dream lover I think she would crush that dream lover is so good So good. It's so good. I mean, and yeah, that was a real... It was a real trip down memory lane.
And you could tell that everyone there... The lamely was just very strong. There was no one behind us. That guy was there by himself. And I kept turning around and making eye contact with him because I knew that... We were having the same moment. Yeah. It was joy. I mean, Mariah is... It's just those songs that take you back home, really. Yeah. If you're a lamb, that's a show you have to go to.
Because it's only going, I think, till at least this leg of it, February 15th or something.
please go see it it's like a tiny little run this time like I don't know what she's doing with it I probably should but you gotta go see Mariah do the show come on it's so good she sounds great too she sounds great she's having fun she's taking tiny ass steps to the piano or to across the stage she cannot be focused or bothered to do anything else but give you a perfect vocal
Let her walk, let her cook, let her do whatever. Because guess what? Her voice in every sense is a comfort with what you just said, but also with her spoken word interstitials. I really was moved by the end when she was just saying that as an artist, the thing in life that she has learned, the biggest thing in life that she has learned as an artist is to never give up on your dreams.
that nobody, no mother, father, and she just lists people who might try to take and drain that from you. Never give that up. And that is a perfect, simple, succinct message to give to anybody and to have it feel universal, have it land universally. That's what songwriting is at the end of the day. And guess what? She's the best at it.
There was that moment at the end where she was like, and nothing, and nobody, no ex-husband, no husband, no boss, no boyfriend, no landlord, no dentist, no clown, no president. She went so far and listed so many names of people who could potentially hold a position of power over you, and she said that none of them can hold you back from your destiny. I mean... From your dream.
Because I had forgotten. I had forgotten. We've both forgotten. And it's thank you, Mariah, for the reminder. We just thank you for all the ways you've enriched our life, our lives. And I want to bring it back to Graham. Unless there's anything else you want to say about Mariah.
Bowen learned the rules of Baccarat.
I learned the rules of Baccarat to not get a chance to play because the buy-in is so high. But Matt and I did have fun at the blackjack table with our friends Cliff and Gus and Riri.
We had a wonderful unit. We had a family unit.
We had a family unit. It was very nice. We had to karaoke. Had a blast. And then, of course, we were part of a larger group that was also there as well. Celebrating. Celebrating. Sharia Law. We know it's Sharia. We just pronounced it Sharia.
Sharia was just, you know, it's a little fun thing you can do with words. It's called wordplay. If you're a Mariah fan, you know all about it. But I digress.
You said that in a very Mariah way.
I know. What can I say? You know, sometimes I get a little Mariah. It's a moment.
Okay. This is what we forgot to talk about.
Okay, what did we literally miss?
Megan 2.0.
Oh. Yeah, to feminine omen on. The Megan 2.0 trailer, that's cinema.
And have you done any research at all into the plot details?
No, is Alison Williams not around in this one?
Get ready.
Okay.
Gemma, which is the character name, which is Alison Williams' character.
Uh-huh.
Gemma is now a writer. Okay. who is criticizing the dysregulation of AI. She's a prominent voice in the sort of like, we should be careful about AI.
Because she knows better than anyone. She survived the events of Megan 1.0.
She survived Megan 1.0.
And barely. If you saw Megan, you know that Alison Williams barely leaves with her life. Sorry, Gemma, the character that Alison Williams plays. Because when it's Alison Williams up there, you completely forget about Alison Williams. You just see Gemma.
Absolutely. So Gemma is now a prominent voice in this movement.
Yes.
Somehow, the technology and the sort of recursive model that Megan represented, because Megan has been discontinued.
Well, certainly. Yeah.
A defense or military contractor, I want to say, I might be butchering these details, but these details are really actually crazy and I'm gagged and I cannot wait for this movie.
Okay.
Someone with sinister motives has gotten their hands on the model, the Megan AI model, and is now putting it into a new AI named Amelia. Yeah. Perez? No, no, no, no, no. Don't say that name. I don't want to hear that name while I'm talking about Megan or ever, frankly. Amelia is the new girl who will be used in an army of Amelia's to basically be a weapon of war.
Gemma, in an effort to stop this and stop Emilia, has to go back, reboot Megan, and join forces with her.
You are kidding me. Gemma and Megan are going to team up against Emilia? Like, this is an amazing... Three dolls. I'm so excited for this movie. No, you know what? I have to disagree with you. We have to get Emilia Perez in there. We need these cinemas to cross over. We need this cinematic universe.
No, we don't.
The EPCU needs to combine with Megan.
That bitch had her fingers chopped off. She is not going to be involved in the Megan cinematic universe.
Okay, you're right.
Amelia Perez. No, Amelia with an A. Yeah.
Amelia, A-M-E-L-I-A, like DeMoldenberg.
Amelia DeMoldenberg. It's an army of Amelia's. And the only people that can stop them are Megan and Gemma.
If I was in a spelling bee and the word was Amelia, I would say, can you use that in a sentence? And one thing that they could do was Chicken Shop Date is hosted by Amelia de Moldenberg. Oh, that's good. And what's a gag about that is de Moldenberg isn't even the word you'd have to spell. You would have to spell Amelia because that was the question to begin with.
So my question to you, Bowen, is can you spell de Moldenberg?
Demoldenberg. Are you going to pull it up?
Yes. Yes. Go.
Yes!
Akilah and the B, more like Bowen and the B.
Now, just so I have the details right, and just so I don't want to mislead anybody, I'm just going to read what I have found on the internet. Set two years after the original film, Gemma, parentheses Williams, becomes author and advocate for the regulation of artificial intelligence.
When a defense contractor steals the technology behind Megan and creates their own evil AI-powered robot called Amelia, who is intent on taking over the world, Gemma reboots and updated Megan to destroy Amelia. Are you not... So excited for this movie.
That's going to be a must-see. When is it coming?
It is coming out June 27th, the end of Pride Month. They know the market. We'll be, we'll, our bets are in seats.
The gays are going to be so exhausted for pride. They're going to need to sit down and watch a movie. That's actually so, that's really smart. They're going to put that movie in theaters where it's traditionally seated because the gays are going to need to be seated.
Right.
The gays are going to be seated for Megan in terms of internet slang. And they're also going to be seated out of necessity because they're so tired from pride. This is so smart, bro.
This is Megan-level genius in the way that Megan, the doll, is a genius.
But I've never been against Alison Williams.
Oh, never? When have we ever?
I literally never have. We have the Alison Williams Cool Girl Award for a reason at the LCCUs, okay?
Which is now henceforth known as the Alison Williams Cool Girl Award in the words of Angie Katzenavis. Yes.
Yes. Cool girl to world.
Cool girl to world.
Have we reached out to Allison Williams about being on this podcast? I think we got to know.
We got to know. Well, we've certainly reached out. We have certainly reached out is all I can say. We love her.
We want you to get on the show. Allison, come on the show. And we know you can hang. And Allison, we think you should be on the show. Come on.
Come in June.
Come on, Lost Culture for Megan 2.0, Alison Williams. Challenge. That wouldn't be fair. If she didn't do Lost Culture recess for Megan 2.0, that wouldn't be fair to the gays.
Come on.
Alison, I would hate for you to disappoint the entire gay community. That's all. I'm just going to leave that hanging there.
She won't do that. She already isn't.
It hinges on this.
Just kidding, girl. Just kidding, girl. Cool girl. Cool girl.
I hope the only word she ever says to me, like Shania Twain, is no.
I think you guys would get along.
No, I think we'd be great. I think we'd be best friends. I think that we... Well, she's already married, so we can't be in each other's weddings. I'll think about it.
She'd be in yours, for sure.
She should give a speech.
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All right. It's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. This is our one-minute segment where we... Oh. Are you okay?
I'm never getting married. I have a total Marnie moment.
Stop the podcast.
I'm never getting married.
Marnie gave us permission to be ourselves, really.
To do whatever we want, really. If you want to be a music artist, you can. You think I'm not Marnie Michaels?
The name that Marnie Michaels invents when she's at the Plaza Hotel, when that couple thinks she's a sex worker. Say it. Say it. Megita. Megita Perez.
Megita. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Megita Perez walked so Emilia Perez could run. That's actually rule of culture number 56. Megita Perez walked so Emilia Perez could run.
Stupid. Oh my God. This show, cancel us. Okay, I think I have an I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now.
I don't think so, honey, Carla Sofia. I think you gotta can it, hun. You gotta can it, Missy. You gotta sit down at this point. Don't go on CNN and be pointing the fingers. You gotta sit down. When Zoe Saldana is at Q&A is now having to shoulder this question and calling herself saddened. let me tell you something to anyone out there listening.
If you ever do anything that results in Zoe Saldana at a Q&A saying she's saddened, I don't think so. You saddened Zoe. And how dare you? You saddened Selena, I'm sure. And you know that she struggles. Oh, yeah. How could you do this? But Carla Sofia, I think what we could learn from this, and imagine I had anything to learn from it. We can't all be trolls.
And I think if this proves anything, it's that anyone can be a troll and everyone should be off the computer. I don't think so, honey. Emilia Perez, this is the weirdest moment of culture ever. I don't think so, honey.
And that's one minute. We've really never seen anything quite like this. And Carla Sophia Gascon, why did you, no one on the movie or at Netflix told her to do this interview, by the way?
Oh no, this seemed very of her own volition. If you don't know, now you know. Carla Sofia, it's been unearthed, has said some tough, very bigoted racist stuff in the past. Claims are arising from her camp that a lot of it is fake, but I don't know because she's like half contrite and half blaming everyone else. All I'm saying is Emilia Perez has brought so much chaos and And I'll say this.
I hope it doesn't... If she was going to win that Oscar, Zoe, I hope this didn't mess it up for her.
Right.
Because that would be a huge bummer. Obviously, we have got a friend in the category. But, you know, it looks like she was going to finally get this huge moment in her career. And it would be a shame.
It would be a shame. It's just a shame that... one person can really fuck up a whole movie's campaign.
Well, when you go that far, I know, but I'm saying the stuff that's out there. I mean, it's like endless too.
And I don't even, I, God, I have nothing really that trenchant to say. I'm just like,
It's just mean. It's not even incisive stuff. It's not like someone being like, hey, let me use my voice in this chaotic way that's also going to make people think. It's just kind of lazy, mean, run-of-the-mill racist stuff and doesn't feel good.
But what you're saying in your I Don't Think So Honey is interesting. It's like anyone can be a troll and any troll can be an Oscar nominee, it seems. Like, let's just like... If there's a pill that can turn off that part of your brain, that thing that makes you want to tweet something insane, let's invent it.
Well, it's like this weird thing where this movie is like all things. It's kind of an interesting microcosm when you think about internet culture and also combining with this awards culture because... The trans community hates this movie. The Mexican community hates this movie. And it's the film. It's like the prestige film community and the industry community that loves this movie.
And it's kind of like those things are at odds. And yet also now this person is being canceled for saying these things. And so weirdly, the right is like rallying for her, but she's trans. And it's just this very odd convergence of hot button things that all around this movie that is, I will say again, nuts. This movie is wacko nuts. And yes, there is like something interesting there being said.
And like, I do think it's well-performed. I think Zoe's great. I think Selina's great. I thought Carlos Sofia's performance was pretty great too, but it's just, it's so bizarre, like as a film and as a movie going experience that, That it leaves you scratching your head. And now all this extra stuff. And now it's going to go into the Oscars.
And I'll tell you what vibes are not going to be as high as the Grammys, the Oscars vibes. It's amounting to be like one of the most bizarre, wacko years in Oscar history. We think Mr. Michael Shulman will write another chapter in his book. And also, wait, one more thing. Speaking of bad vibes at the Oscars, that extended part with Will Smith last night at the Grammys.
I'm sorry.
Who's watching that guy on television and not thinking about how he assaulted a man on TV? Who? Is anyone out there just like, are we just forgetting this? Also, Chris Brown won R&B album. All I can make is noises.
Who's watching Will Smith go on about Quincy Jones? Supposed to introduce the celebratory moment for Quincy Jones by telling a fully boring anecdote about Quincy Jones. About himself. About himself, but Quincy Jones at a snack table at Crafty being like, this should be better food. Like what? That is not meaningful. That is not a meaningful Quincy Jones contribution to the culture.
I'm sorry, Mr. Smith. Quincy Jones telling you to get better craft services is not one of his most, is not worth sharing to millions of people.
Because he took care of people. And then Will Smith is like, and that's what I've striven to do my entire career, like making it about him. Dude, this is extra disrespectful. And I'm going to mind my business, but I'm just going to say, I don't know who out there is not thinking about him hitting Chris Rock on stage when he's on television at an award show. in like in the round in that same style.
That wasn't in the round, but you know what I mean? It was just, it was reminiscent in a way that did make me comfortable. And I don't know who's hearing Chris Brown as a Grammy winner's name and not thinking about those pictures of Rihanna when he beat her up. But anyway, apparently there's, you know, maybe the vibes in that room were a little too good. That's just, that's all I have.
Yeah, I've got something. Okay. Everyone, Bowen Yang's got something. And I'm excited about that because he's going to show off his I Don't Think So Honey skills right now. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. Las Vegas, I love you. You're such a beautiful city. There is something in the air about the casinos not understanding or knowing how they feel about theming towards Asians, where you have beautiful Lunar New Year things out, but also you have slot machines.
Half of your slot machines are something called the China mystery, with someone in a little straw hat or some such, like a rice patty hat. Let's meet in the middle, at least. Those seem to be on opposite ends of the Orientalism spectrum. And I'm not saying we have to like clean up every weird slot machine. Like, of course, that is part of the imagination of Asian people in this country.
But let's pick one or the other. Either be like crazy in the depiction or celebrate the year of the wood snake. Five seconds. I think those things coexisting is a little dissonant. And that's what I'm in it.
Yeah. And then there was that one slot machine with the Buddha on it. And correct me if I'm wrong, it was rubbing... He was rubbing his tits together and shaking his titties.
Which is not what Buddha does.
That didn't feel like part of Buddha's thing.
You know, Buddha's not going to shimmy. Buddha is going to sit there and... Be perfect. I don't mind the Buddha slot machines. I don't mind the Asian slot machines. I'm not saying take every Asian slot machine. We were talking about Rush Hour 2, and ever since that movie, I was like, I want there to be a hugely bombastically Asian casino in Vegas.
And fortunately, I think the one that comes closest is The Wind, honestly.
Mm-hmm.
But it's like one or the other. You know what I mean? Like you can't have the China mystery and... Exactly.
That one slot machine where Buddha was flipping it and reversing it. I didn't know about that one. So, but... Right. If you're noticing it, I think there's a huge problem and I think we need to raise all of them to the ground. I'm sorry.
No, no.
Leave only the Vanderpumps standing. And Bouchon. Oh, we had the best time at Bouchon. Shout out to Bouchon.
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Yeah, we had a fabulous time.
My first time in Vegas since I was a teenager. I could finally drink. I could finally gamble. I had a great time.
And we did.
And we did.
We only bet with like small numbers, but like we were up. I think I was up like 160 bucks.
You were up. Our friend Cliff was up. Up, up. We commend you, Cliff. You really made a killing.
Well, he knows what he's doing.
He really does.
At the Blackjack table, I kind of just look out of the corner of my eye and he just like shakes his head or he taps the table and I do what he says and I'm up 160.
Well, Cliff made me realize that some of these dealers, you forget you're playing against them in Blackjack and some of these dealers don't have your best interests in mind. So anytime I ask what the dealer recommends, I have to go, wait a minute. I'm going to ask Cliff because Cliff knows. We love you, Cliff.
Yeah. King Daddy, his shirt said the whole time. Yes. And he was right. He was right about that. Here's what I'll say. We're going to end the episode. This was a culture catch up for the ages. So much to catch up on.
Really does harken back to episode one. I got to say.
I'm saying this was the Grammys. It was the Grammys again. Yeah. I want to apologize if our voices sound a little nasal and coughish. We were in Vegas. You're saying mine is? No, no, no. You know what? I'm so sorry. I shouldn't have done that.
I'm sorry. No, I shouldn't have done that. I didn't mean for you to. No, I was being a bitch. No, no, I was, I was, I was.
I don't want to ascribe this to Bowen as it's not the case. I will say my voice sounds a little bit nasal and coughish because I've been in Vegas for three days and I'm as sick as I'm sure everyone is listening to this because everyone in America is currently sick. I also want to implore you not to touch birds.
I implore you not to touch birds, and I implore you to clean your nails, because somehow I got a staph infection last week. You got poopy nails. That ravaged. I guess they're poopy nails, or child's poopy nails.
Well, Bowen wipes his ass with just his hand.
Well, with my... Oh, God. How did we get here?
Bet you didn't know that about my sister. He wipes his butt with just his hands.
No paper.
He goes, Abracadabra! Poopy hands. Anyway, I guess that's how this episode is going to end with a poopy hands joke.
And we end every episode with a song. Abracadabra!
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