How About Tomorrow?
Offending Everyone by Sharing Tough Moments, The Video, and Politics
Mon, 11 Nov 2024
It's annoying when they skip a week but Adam and Dax explain why, Dax's Default, how did Adam's phone break, politics happened and we have some theories, Liz's Theories, and Dax considers getting hair while Adam ponders getting a wig.Want to carry on the conversation? Join us in Discord. Or send us an email at [email protected] ultimate MySQL database platform — PlanetScalethe decisionGuillermo Rauch on TrumpZoo Tycoon Game OverviewTopics:(00:00) - Adam's bandwidth issues (00:37) - It's annoying when they skip a week (03:58) - Adam shares from tough life stuff (18:00) - Dax's embarrasing thing (26:04) - Dax's Default: PlanetScale (27:14) - The decision video (33:05) - How did Adam's phone break? (35:27) - The politics happened (55:45) - Dry or humidity? (58:10) - Who should we have on the podcast? (01:02:35) - Liz's theories (01:07:21) - Dax's hair thoughts and Adam's beard thoughts
can you hear me okay i'm getting some like stuttery i don't know if it's my internet i was trying to find it might be your inner voice my inner voice that's causing you to sound stuttery like i have low bandwidth yeah interesting You looked very deep in thought. I was. You were eating your necklace. It was the whole thing.
I, like, vaguely, like... I don't know what speaker you're coming out of, but it was really distant.
Did you kind of hear me, like, on your shoulder? Dax.
Yeah.
It's the ghost of Adam haunting you. This is not an episode I thought we would record. I mean, like... Not what we're going to talk about. I don't even know what we're going to talk about. I just mean, it's not an episode like today. I kind of thought I was going to need another week and things fell into place at the last minute. So here we are.
What does that mean? I love that you don't really know what's going on.
I don't know. And nobody knows what's going on. It's funny because there were a few posts today about this podcast. And someone was like... Oh, really? Someone was like, it's so annoying when they skip a week. And I was like, we're about to skip another week.
We're about to skip a few weeks. Who knows how many weeks. Actually, you know what? This has been like the toughest week.
of my life uh that's pretty easy to say even not even like close and i'm actually really proud of me for not like melting down publicly i didn't have any like serious thought did i did i tweet anything that was just like irreparable damage to my reputation or something i don't think so I think I managed. Oh, did I? Am I forgetting? I would forget something like that.
No, I don't think you... But it's like, the reason I'm saying, uh, is like, that was an expectation that... I don't know. I wouldn't even think of that as a possibility, really.
Yeah, I guess I know people, people that are close to me that have had issues in life, mental health or otherwise, that have done a lot of things publicly. And... I don't know. You can, you know, when things are really bad and you're struggling, it's easy enough to like find solace in the anonymous internet, not the anonymous internet, but there's just like, say what's on your mind.
And then, I don't know, everyone views you a little differently because you're struggling. There's a lot of stigma about mental health in America. Let's talk about that. I'm just kidding. That's not what I'm here to talk about. So, okay. Where do I want to begin? I really do struggle here because I don't know if it were just me and you talking and this wasn't going to be a podcast.
Obviously, the conversation would be different. Normally, I like to just have the conversation as naturally as possible where I don't think about what I'm saying. I'm probably going to think a little bit about what I say on this episode. OK, so I've had a tough couple of weeks, week. I don't know. Also, yeah, I just I don't want to make this whole episode about this. This just feels weird.
It's weird. There's so many things that are weird. It's weird in the sense that you're just dying over there.
Okay. Don't worry about the meta stuff. Let's just start talking. I will, to balance it, I also had something embarrassing and very annoying happen to me at the beginning of this week.
Okay.
I will share that afterwards.
Would you say it's been the toughest week of your life? Or maybe not.
It was definitely a very tough week.
hours that led to difficult sleep and then i woke up and then everything was resolved by then but uh okay so it's just it's just embarrassing for me particularly it's embarrassing so i'm so excited okay we'll we'll do my thing first and then we'll come that'll be the comedic relief uh yeah okay i'm not gonna beat around it just like i'm gonna get into some stuff it's this is our podcast i like we can talk about what we want and it'd be weird for me i like i
As you'll hear, one thing I'm really focused on moving forward is being okay with being myself and just having a life where I'm the same to everybody and I'm not pretending ever to be something. So we basically would just have to cancel the podcast if I didn't talk about this stuff because there's no way I'd be able to get on here and not just be fake and pretend to I don't know.
All this stuff isn't going on. So this had to happen. I'm sorry if you're a listener and you're just like, I don't want to hear about Next.js because I'm a big Vercel fanboy. I'm sorry because this is going to be a little different. Yeah, so Casey and I, my wife Casey of 15 years, have been on the precipice of... ending our relationship for a week. So we were separated.
This is very, it's going to get very confusing. It's like the friends, uh, Ross and Rachel stuff. We were on a break and then we were separated and then we were maybe closer than ever. And then yesterday was very close to looking like it was over, over, over divorce over. And then today we're Once again, the best it's been. I can feel you right now.
Just like you're so in the dark because we didn't, we haven't talked since yesterday. And yesterday was the, we haven't, we haven't talked since eight hours ago. I know. And eight hours ago was the worst it's been. Oh man. Okay. Maybe we don't want to spend that long on this.
Maybe I can just kind of give you the rundown and then like, if there's something good that comes out of it and we can hit on it, but at least I've acknowledged it. Uh, yeah, basically I just, I hid from my wife. I just haven't been myself in some ways and like things that I was holding onto since like college. Yeah. I mean, I've, okay.
I played a video game in college that I failed out of college over and then hid that game from her subsequently a few times in our marriage and This last time, it's just whenever I get really stressed. Basically, when there's a lot of stress in my life, I fall back to this thing. And it's not a thing I felt I could share with her. And it was just rough. I hurt her a lot.
In the process, we've learned a lot about each other. I think in some ways, we've grown closer through all of it. And yeah, I'm really optimistic now. So... I was really optimistic a week ago and then we almost got divorced yesterday, but I'm really optimistic now. So I think things are better. We want to work through it. We want to do the work. We've got therapists.
We've got all the things, the resources we need to figure out why we had these barriers between us. And I think we're going to make it. We want to work through it and we want to be together while we work through it. So we're not even really separated now. That's the progress. We're back together and I think we're on the right track. Okay, that's all.
Anyway, how you been?
I was prepared for this to be like a really long thing that we talked about. And then you just, I think halfway through, you're like, you know what? We can just make this really quick.
Yeah, because I think I realized the value is in acknowledging it and not just pretending for the rest of the podcast. Yeah, I know. So it's like, I don't need to go through the whole story. You guys don't need to hear about when I was 16. We don't have to go back to the beginning. It's fine.
Acknowledged. I mean, you don't have to talk about that, but I will say people love hearing that shit. Oh, really?
You mean like struggles, things that define you? Or what shit is it that you speak of? It's always so weird when I say a curse word because it just comes out of my mouth so unnaturally. What shit is it you speak of, Jax?
What shit is?
Well, I'm saying I think oftentimes you feel like I'm talking about me a lot and this is like so unrelatable. This is just something like so specific to me, but like, let's be honest. There's a reason that the most watched TV is in the reality TV category. Good point. People in their core love hearing about reality.
stuff yeah that is personal in people's lives so you don't have to talk about any of it like i think if i were you even how much you just talked about i think i would i would struggle to i do think it's a right call i think what you said makes sense um because like yeah it would be weird to get on here and pretend like everything's normal yeah yeah this has kind of been something we've been talking about for the past week uh but yeah um my only thing is i mean i said this to you over and over uh
I feel like, and you've heard this from me enough times, but I'm just saying this for our audience. You are someone that really looks to blame yourself a lot, even in really small cases. And I think when there's complicated situations where It's something you did, but it's very complicated because this is all reflexive thing where it was because something else and that was because something else.
I think you your natural tendency tends to be to like solely reduce it to like the one action that you did when it's a lot more complex. So anyway, even as a way you describe the situation, I hear people listening. It sounds like the equivalent of. everything was great and I cheated on my wife, you know, it's like, it's, it's like not, it's been a lot of complicated situation.
Like people can imagine. Yeah.
Yeah. And I think some of the things you've said to me, and then I had coffee with my brother this morning, I think all of the inputs I've gotten helps triangulate some thoughts. And it's some of what you're speaking to, like the big problem between me and Casey is, It does feel weird to do this on a podcast, I guess. Like, this is so... I don't know.
This is like... You're getting the real inside baseball. You're getting stuff that... I mean, Casey, you're probably... Casey's gonna listen to this, I'm sure. I hope I didn't misrepresent anything that we're talking about here. And she's open to me talking about this on the podcast, by the way. I guess, like...
one of the things that I feel like broke today in our conversation that kind of like broke in the right way, like toward the right thing, uh, is related to some of the feedback you've given me that just realizing how much of my last decade with Casey, since we've had kids and things got stressful has been spent.
Like I've been twisting myself internally into this pretzel trying to just make her happy, but in like superficial ways, like ways that I think are just like the low hanging fruit ways to make her happy. Uh, Like, I've done so much to try and like... Just be, it's the hero. I mean, it's, I have this hero complex, the hero role or whatever hero child.
I don't know if anyone digs into psychology or has had someone tell them they have this. Well, we have it together. We are the hero children. Basically just like have to put all things together and make it look really good and feel really good for everybody on the surface level. I've just, I've had that.
And it drives so many of my decisions with Casey and it to the point of being unhappy and not even really being self-aware enough to know how unhappy I was. some of that stuff. Yeah. It's the blaming myself. It's all of it. It's all very related. And Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't work. We both acknowledge this marriage doesn't make sense if we can't fix those things.
So it's still a long road of becoming these new people that we need to be to have a healthy relationship. We kind of both agree that just what we've had is no good. I mean, there was good. No good is the wrong term because there literally was a lot of good. We got two amazing little boys. There's plenty of good, but we want to start over. We want like...
to just forget everything, all of the trauma and the pain and the things that we've created. We got to start on a new foundation. So anyway, that's me and my life and the crumbling walls around me. I just made that a song. It's not even a song. I don't know. I was uncomfortable. Okay. So I started singing.
You're about to start like an emo band. Yeah. I think that makes sense. You guys want to go for like a reset. Let's try creating something new. Yeah. Um, are you guys going to try doing something really drastic just to get like superficially drastic just to get out of, you know, certain habits and stuff. Have you considered that?
Like getting a dog or something? What do you mean?
Like, I mean, kind of. Yeah. Cause it's like, it's just like with any habit. It's if you're in like the same type of environment, even though the habit is not related to the environment, it's like, Easy to fall back into it? Yeah. That's kind of how our brains work.
This is what we thought a week ago when this all went down. We thought, okay, we need to separate. We need to start new habits. And that separation will help us break out of the current cycle. We did some things. I mean, I've been sleeping in the basement.
among other things uh we changed up our schedule we created like a more strict schedule that gives us both the time that we just didn't have because we sort of like both i think we both just kind of like we're the martyr and like trying to sacrifice ourselves to just make sure the other one was getting what they need but like we're both unhappy and we both feel like we never have time on the schedule that's like our time so we kind of like created that we did some things anyway we did some things
And now I feel like we've decided the separation, it wasn't helping because it was already, like we were falling back into the same patterns anyway. So we're kind of like, F it. Let's just actually be together while we figure this out because I don't think what we did was helping. Now, a therapist might tell us, you need to do X, Y, Z. And we'd be very open to that.
I think we just both now after a week and how much up and down pain there's been, we just want to figure out how we can do it, but also be together because we feel like we need, we need something. We need that from each other, I guess. I'm probably misrepresenting all this. I'm so sorry, Casey. That was probably terrible. I don't know. I said the wrong thing. One thing that's stuck in my head.
Hey, look, you're doing the thing. You're doing the thing you just said. I'm blaming myself.
Let me just say one thing about that. The thing you just did. It's funny because it's this weird thing where you were concerned that you did the wrong thing and you upset the other person. And it seems like that is a situation that's bad for you and good for the other person because you're being really careful and the other person gets the benefit.
But in reality, no one actually wants to be in that position where someone needs to check in with them about everything. I think I've noticed with situations where it feels like the power dynamic is off, everyone imagines the person getting the upside is actually really happy, but nobody's actually happy.
Yeah, I think that's when I said superficially making her happy. I know I'm not genuinely creating real happiness or joy or anything. It's just creating... a comfort for today. Let's just feel comfortable in this moment. So yeah, I recognize that's... I got to get rid of that. The one thing I am... The thing I'm hanging on to in my mind just today, so not...
creating a bunch of different life habits to try and shake up the brain. But I'm just thinking I'm very hung up or very concentrated on the idea of one day at a time. That's so cliche, but I literally need to have a constant check-in with Casey right now to, to just make sure we don't slip into patterns.
So one thing that's changed dramatically just today is I do feel like I can tell her everything. And I have started telling her everything that I felt like I had to hide before. Something has flipped for me that like, I'm going to be myself. 100%.
And if that means she doesn't want to be with me, then that's better than this life we've built over 15 years where I'm just going to hide the things that I think she doesn't want and try and be the thing she does want. That is gone. I will not do that anymore. And I think that's the main place it shows up is with Casey. I don't want to do that with anybody. I don't want to feel like...
I'm pretending to be something with anybody. But yeah, it's like repulsive to me. Like the feeling of like hiding makes me kind of want to vomit.
So like at this point moving forward, if I'm someone who plays video games or not, if I played that specific video game or not, she's going to know and everyone's going to know and it's going to be healthy and I'm not going to be in the shadows feeling like I can't just be myself with my own life. Anyway, that much has changed. I know today something flipped.
Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And it might be this weird counterintuitive thing where if it turns out that half the time you're doing stuff that she disagrees with, she might still like you a lot more overall because at least it's not this weird thing. Yeah.
Yeah, it's going to feel it's every interaction still feels hard to not think about what she how she perceives me because that's been ingrained over a long period of time. But yeah, I've got to I've got to get past that. I've got to be able to make decisions without fear of how she views it.
If I think it's a good decision to make or it's a stupid decision and I make a mistake, but like I can live with that. Knowing at least I was honest.
Yeah. Like you, you can do it. And then, and then she has a right to like find it annoying and complain about it too. Like that's what, that's all okay. Yeah. Healthy dynamics. And it's the normal part of.
Yeah. Anyway. Wow. Can you tell me your embarrassing thing? I need some, I need some light. Okay. Are you ready for this? Yeah. Oh man. I'm trying. Actually, I really want to kind of like guess, but I'll never guess. So it's okay. Just go ahead.
Uh, on Tuesday, I deleted our primary database.
Whoa. Dax, Mr. Senior Dev, have you tweeted about this yet?
No, because I'm waiting to figure some... I'll explain why.
I am going to post about it, but... You're still trying to figure out how you're going to rectify the situation? No, no, no. Okay.
So, on Tuesday night, or it was Wednesday night, I forgot. Wait, what day was the election? It was Tuesday.
Yeah, it was Tuesday night. It's always on Tuesday. I just learned that. I voted like a hundred times. Sorry.
Uh, I was watching the election and I'm like, okay, it's midnight. I'm going to do this big, uh, console deployment that we've been working on for a couple of weeks. Uh, and I did it all in dev and it went great. And I went to do it in production and I was like halfway through it. And then all of a sudden I was like, why is my SSD deployment erroring saying 404 database not found.
And then I go log into plant scale and it's an empty account. And I'm like, wow that is really bad uh what happened so in the moment i didn't realize i didn't understand what happened i was like i must have messed up our infrastructure's code somehow uh and like removed the database and then done a deploy yeah and then so like deleted the database
So I was like, I'm not going to try to figure out what happened. I just need to get this fixed. So I ended up texting Sam, who's been on our podcast, the CEO of PlanetScale. It was embarrassing because I'm like, you know, I did like freaking delete it. I deleted our database. Like all of it is gone.
And then he replies, okay, like he asked me a few questions and he goes, you're so lucky that our CTO is at my house right now. They happen to be like hanging out together.
Wow.
And the CTO found it. Look at this service. They found the EBS volume that, you know, obviously when you delete something, they don't like immediately wipe everything. Yeah, sure. But I was worried that they'd probably have some process that runs at some point where it is not recoverable.
Yeah.
Yeah. So he found the EBS volume and just marked it as like to not delete or whatever. He's made sure that it wouldn't get deleted while the support team could eventually restore it.
Yeah.
So I was waiting on the support team. At this point, it was like 1 a.m. my time. And I stayed up till like 2.30 waiting. And then I was like, I need to sleep. Cause I'm not, it's like no point in just me waiting. And I woke up and the database was back.
Uh, and like, it turned out like, of course, 10 minutes after I went to sleep, they like, they did the restore and then, uh, and I got everything back. And at that point I could like investigate what the issue was. And I still haven't fully gotten down to it, but this is actually was a bug either in, uh, I haven't found figure out where the source of the bug is. It's either in, uh,
or it's in the Terraform provider for PlanetScale. You know how you can import resources into existing... So this PlanetScale database we had was before stv3, so it was manually created. So I wrote in my stconfig to import it. There's just a really weird quirk that seems to just happen with the PlanetScale database, because I've tested this with other resources,
If it's flagged as being, this is an imported resource, and you do a deploy multiple times for removing the line that makes it import, it was creating another entry for that import. So it was importing the database multiple times. And then when the deploy would finish, it would clean up the old one. But it's like two entries for the same database. So it's like, oh, I got the new one.
Let me delete the old one. But the old one's pointing to the same database as well. So the mistakes I made on my end are anything important, you should flag as retain on delete.
I was going to say, there's that to kind of safeguard that. I guess that works with imports too, not just new resources.
Yeah, yeah. So if I had set that flag, if I remember to set that flag, I was like, this is an important, like I never want, it being deleted in an automated way. Like you need to flag this as retain on delete. I did not do that. The second thing is the API key I generated for PlanetScale. I had initially generated a really granular one.
And some point during the process, like while I was working on it, I lost the key. So I had to regenerate it and I was being lazy the second time. So I just made a key that could do everything. But there was no reason for this key to have the ability to delete databases. It was never needed. So I updated that now. With those two changes, it's impossible for this thing to be deleted anyway.
So we actually made an update to... So we actually have a list internally in SST of any resources that we think are popular that this can happen to. So we automatically mark them as retain on delete. So we add the PlanetScale database to that. And this will just be an ever-growing list of... uh, resources that we've just, it's probably good. Even if the person forgets, that's a better default.
Yeah. The better default. Yeah, exactly. So, uh, I have to still look up to see why this happened because I've tried with other resources and you can import the same resources multiple times and it just overwrites the existing one. It doesn't like create a new one and try to remove the previous one. Um, but yeah, it was, uh, it was bad.
Yeah. Something like this, whenever something like this happens, there's always multiple things like multiple failure points that had to go wrong. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's like so many little things. I mean, you just call that too. And then, I don't know, surely like the order you did things or whatever the deploys, it's always like just the perfect storm.
And it happens even to Dax, even Dax deletes the prod DB. Yeah.
Yeah.
This was for the SSC console?
Yeah, yeah. So it's data that is not recoverable anywhere else. Yeah. Here's another interesting dynamic that... I don't think this is going to change my opinion or make me actually do anything different, but it is something I considered where managed services are really good because somebody else will deal with problems, but...
if this had happened on AWS where I have more direct access to stuff, it's like in my control to fix it immediately. Cause like I have.
You would have been the one flagging the EBS volume.
Yeah. And then like, you know, AWS would have had the snapshots on delete anyway. So it would have just been up to me to restore it from, from the snapshot. Yep. Whereas now I have to wait on a support team. That said, we're not paying for any higher tier. If we were probably paying for a higher tier, we probably would have gotten more immediate support.
We already got more support than we should have.
You're talking about from PlantScale? Yeah, I was going to say, I think texting the CEO and the CTO being at his house, that's pretty good support. It's probably atypical.
Yeah, exactly. We shouldn't have even gotten that given what we're paying. Yeah. But I think we were looking to see what... Because we were kind of surprised. We're like, how come they even had someone up at 3 a.m. to do this? Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. But I guess it's because they're really enterprise. They're actual customers. You know, pay them real money. Yeah.
I think they literally have like five minute response SLAs or something like that. SLAs? Wow.
So they've got a 24-7 staff, I guess.
Yeah. And I think we got a little special treatment because I think one of the staff that was They're like meant to serve those use cases and ended up restoring the database. So super appreciative, really stupid on our end. We'll try to pay it back by like really figuring out what the root cause was and making sure that this doesn't happen to other people.
Thanks, Sam. Let's give a little free promo. You know, if you're looking for a database service and you're tired of dealing with backups and all these things, choose PlanetScale.
And if you're not tired of that, if you just need the database at all, Just consider Planetscale as your first choice. And if it doesn't work for you, then you can consider other stuff. It's kind of my, I go there first. And if I can't use it for whatever reason, then I do something else. But it's not good, in my opinion.
Yeah.
This would be so easy. It's low-hanging fruit, Dax. It's like a low-hanging idea. You just literally need a visual, like a stamp.
Like an AI-generated stamp.
Oh, AI-generated. Even better, yeah. But it just needs to be something they can put a little link in their readme, and it's like, Dax approved.
Dax approves.
I think that's got legs. Just give it a shot. Okay.
People would get so pissed at that. They'd be like, who the fuck are you to have this opinion? You put your stamp on this thing and I hate this thing.
I like that thing instead.
Yeah.
That would be a lot of that. What else has been going on? I missed everything the last two weeks. We posted that video. I saw the video today. Oh, you posted it. Cause I saw it before it was posted. That's right. People.
Yeah.
I got the inside scoop. All I had to do was lose everything in my life and hit rock bottom. And Dax was like, this will cheer you up. So if you could do that, if you could just lose everything, Dax might give you a little, little preview of the video. Yeah. Did you hear me?
You're looking at me funny or is there a huge delay? No, no, no. I'm just laughing because I'm like, I think I would have given you the preview. Yeah, you were going to give it to me anyway. Yeah. Here's what happens. I always finish editing a video and I'm so excited. I just need to show people. And I'm like, I can't because I need to time it very specifically for when we release something. Yeah.
So I'm always in misery for like 12 hours. This morning.
Adam, could you stop having a crisis so I can send you this video?
Please.
This is not a good moment, but I need to send it to you.
Yeah. This morning I was like, Jay, I want to post a video. Like, I know you will have this blog post you're writing, but like, let me know when it's done. And I just got so impatient. I was like, fuck it. I'm just posting it. Give me the blog post. I'll post it later. Yeah. But I, so I made that video. It took me exactly one day. I started yesterday. Probably around, like, planned it.
And then I showered and shaved my head so I could look okay. And then I filmed from, like, noon to... I finished editing around, like, 10 p.m. It was a one-day effort. That was my first time filming entirely on an iPhone.
That was my only... You're really into this idea. You're really into the iPhone cinematography thing.
Yeah, because it's, like, just the floor of it is... Sorry, Sam just texted me. But it's not related to what we were just talking about. He goes, I did not wake up this morning expecting to see your nips. Every day is an adventure.
Yeah, but there's a little bit of shirtless snacks in this video.
I mean, you're wearing a shirt. It's a thank you for the great support you guys gave us.
Oh, that's funny.
Um, but yeah, so I am really into this iPhone thing.
Um, so I bought like, it goes back before, before this video. I mean, like you've been showing me like your rig and all this, like you've kind of got this set up and I get it. I'm excited about not having big hunky cameras. Anyway, go ahead.
Yeah. And so this is the first thing that I actually try to do with it. So I bought this rig that you like slot your iPhone into and it has like nice handles. I mean, we talked about it already in the podcast last time. This is the first thing that I filmed with it. And it was such a great experience. Like it's just so versatile. It's like so much less cumbersome. Yeah.
when you need to like rework stuff because something doesn't go according to plan it's pretty easy and the video quality is is pretty good it's great yeah like i'm looking at still frames of it right now yeah like it's uh it looks very good i just dropped in the standard lut that apple um gives you which uh you know i probably should have tweaked it it's like a little oversaturated but you know it's pretty good for what it's good
Even the low light, like the outdoor scene. Also, shout out, Liz. I can see you in the reflection of the door. Good work on the camera work. Nice. I mean, I should have known it wasn't Zuko. Like, of course it was Liz. Yeah. Were you at all afraid you were going to drop the... Were you ever afraid you were going to drop the laptop? Or did you drop the laptop?
It's funny because... There's so many people replying, be like, oh, what a wealth flex. Like, you know, he's so rich that he can just spend this and not give a shit. It's actually not a wealth flex. It's actually a deep confidence in myself. That's what I'm flexing right there. I had no doubt that I wasn't going to drop it. It was on hard tile floor.
And I spun it a bunch of times throughout the day and I didn't drop a one.
I wondered how much you had practiced.
High confidence, really.
High confidence. Okay.
Just for my ultimate days, you know, spinning a Frisbee on my finger.
I've got a still frame of it right now, and it looks like the laptop looks fake because it's in motion. I don't know. Just the way it's balancing on your face, it looks like it's floating above your hand, like levitating, and it's glowing. It's very funny. I'm going to send you this frame. It's funny.
That sounds really cool. Yeah. The other thing was I did not use any external mics. I just used the onboard iPhone mics. The iPhone 16 has three microphones on it now, and it does... a pretty good job. So that, that blew my mind.
Like that the audio is just from the phone mic. Like when you're sitting in that chair, it's picking you up well enough just over the phone mic.
Yeah. And remember how noisy my backyard is because the highway is right there. And it was pretty windy too. So that plus like a tiny bit of processing during editing. Yeah. It's a, yeah, it's clearly none of it is as good as a pro setup, but yeah, It's so close that the cumbersome trade-off is just like, you're just going to produce better stuff because it's more flexible. Yeah.
I'm pretty excited. We're going to use this in New York. Nice.
It's still a mystery, right? People don't know what we're doing yet.
Yeah. Are you still going? It's a roller coaster.
TBD. Yeah. Still day by day.
trying to figure out what life looks like the only thing is it can't really be day by day for this because like we need to figure out a solution if you can't go yeah yeah yeah that only occurred to me this morning i was like before i was like yeah it's fine you can figure it out but it's like okay that that's the one thing that okay i will let you know is a little critical one of these day by day it's not a big deal either way we just need to know what we need to buy on our end okay um which we can do uh
Yeah. Okay, we'll talk through that. Yeah, I would love to hang out. I mean, I would love to be with you guys for a bit. That sounds very refreshing, given all the current events. Yeah. Some hangout time. And obviously, I'm excited about the event and what we're doing. It's very exciting. Oh, did you say iPhone 16?
Yeah.
I think I have a 15. There's a new one? When did that happen?
Yeah, I bumped from the 15 to 16 just because of the mic thing. And I gave Liz my 15.
So three mics, huh? When did they come out? Is this like recent?
I've had it for a couple months now. It was during TwitchCon. Was that new? I think.
It was new when you got it? Like it just came out? Yeah, yeah.
It probably came out two months ago.
I used to like watch all the Apple events and WWDC and like all this stuff and know exactly when every new device was coming out. And now I've gone years and I don't even know half the time what number my phone is. But I do remember recently I broke my phone and had to take it to the place and it was a 15. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Great story. Great story.
Well, there's more to the story, but I'm not going to share it for the sake of others. Yeah. It actually could be a pretty good story, but sometimes you sacrifice the content for the people, you know?
I'm thinking about that goose meme. What's the goose meme? Do you know the goose meme where the goose is like chasing the guy asking him a question?
What? No. Is it the Aflac goose? That's like a commercial. That's a goose, right?
Is it a duck? It's this one. It's this meme. I found it.
I feel like you're describing Aflac commercials and calling it a meme. That's my guess.
No, everything about that sentence is wrong.
Does he say Aflac? Because that's the Aflac duck.
Or goose or whatever. Is this a goose or is this a duck? What did you send me? The one I just sent you.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I've seen this. What's in the jacket? What's in the jacket?
Except he's asking, how'd your phone break? How'd your phone break?
That's what everyone wants to know right now. Did I make it clear that that was the interesting part of the story? How my phone broke? Did I make that clear? I don't know. It's clear now. How'd your phone break? Anyway, let's move on. That's funny. I don't get, I don't get what's in the jacket. If I'm being honest, like I don't get this specific version of the meme.
People replace that with something that's wrong. I get that.
I get that. This is like the meme template, but whoever made this one, the what's in the jacket, I don't get it because I think it's a goose down jacket.
Is that why? Oh, that confirms it's a goose.
Oh, I see. Is that what it is?
Maybe that makes sense.
They can talk.com. Interesting.
Okay. What else is going on? Let's see. Let's see. Let's see.
Oh, we have a new president or an old president. Oh, that's true. We have a new president-elect. I mean, the politics happened. Do we want to touch this with a 10-foot pole or do we want to just skate on by? I want to talk a little bit about Guillermo's tweet. Let's do it. Oh, I saw this. And I'm like the most disconnected I've ever been. And I even saw this. Yeah, I got to say, I don't get it.
I don't get why people freaked out about someone congratulating the new president. I feel like that's a thing people do every single time there's a new president. And people who everyone respects, if Obama does it, everybody's like, cool, love that guy. But why did people freak out that Guillermo did it? I don't understand it. I get it if you don't like Next.js.
The caching policies drive you crazy. But really, I don't understand it. I don't get it.
So I have a grand explanation for all of this.
I was just going to get real spicy and say, it's just childish. You just look like a child on the internet. If you're like, shame on you. What are you talking about? I don't get it. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I don't get like, you said the name Trump. What a loser. What is that attitude? I just don't understand it.
So to me, this is a very bad situation. So here's my psychological analysis of everything that happened. So Guillermo tweeted, congratulations, Donald Trump. And then he posted, it's crazy to see the impact of X. And he listed a bunch of things that he was like, it's crazy that this stuff had an impact on it.
The reason he did that is because he's trying to fit in with like the Silicon Valley, like very serious CEO crowd. Because if you look at it, all the billion dollars, you know, company, public company CEOs are posting that. So his message wasn't deeply insightful. It was just kind of like this vague, like, you know, mimicry of that vibe.
Yeah.
So in a way, it's a little sad because it's like he was just trying to fit in with his group. Yeah. And then the people reading it read it as an extremely strong endorsement of certain things that they don't agree with. And they found that very disappointing. And everyone was really pissed at him. But the reason I find it sad is because he wasn't doing that, guys.
He was just trying to fit in with his group that he wants to fit in with. And then everyone's really pissed at it. Yeah, I mean, on one hand, I get it. The timing of it was insane, especially to an audience that leans pretty much in one direction.
So you actually think the response, the people getting upset about it, that they have valid criticism?
I don't know if I would call it valid. I think I understand it. Um, I obviously don't have that reaction at all anywhere remotely to that reaction. I think, you know, everyone has different levels of emotions at the end of the day. And I get how literally, you know, in the, in the, like within 12 hours of the event, um,
Probably people, you know, saw it in a much more extreme way than it was intended. And they disagree. They finally disagree. And I think that it's... They don't feel aligned with... this company and the tool. And I get that. And you're totally allowed to feel that way. And to like, you know, I don't agree with this thing where people are like, you should not boycott people over politics. Yeah.
I wouldn't. Yeah. I personally wouldn't, but I think people should, should be allowed to do that. Yeah. And just like, it's, it's, it's fine. It's just, to me, it was just like a, Funny, dynamic, because it wasn't intentional. It was treated as a heavy endorsement, but it wasn't.
I guess that's my thing. I guess it's just this formality in my mind that people congratulate the incoming president, not like... I didn't read it as Guillermo like endorsing or saying, I think I am on board with everything this person stands for. It was just like, I think the fitting in thing makes perfect sense because it just felt like a kind of tweet you see from like Tim Cook.
Like, congratulations, Mr. President.
Oh, was it really? Yeah.
Yeah, that's exactly how I viewed it. And then for people to like, it just feels a little virtue signally when people are like, shame on you. And I don't know, it's probably some of my friends. I'm sorry if there happens to be a Venn diagram of people that listen to this show that are my friend that also tweeted in response to Top G. I'm sorry. I don't dislike you or I'm not... I don't know.
I'm just walking back all my spicy. Just forget all the spicy. I said, you're fine. It's fine. I just don't, I don't really get the, uh, I don't know. I'm going to flame somebody. Cause they said, congratulations, president Trump.
It's, it's funny. Cause it's, it's technically virtually on the other side too, because why is Tim Cook and. Like, why are they doing this? It's because they are. enormous companies that face heavy regulation burden and they need to cozy up to whoever the current administration is. And Guillermo's like, yeah, us too. We're also like that. We're also that important.
Come on, Trump.
Look out for Vercel.
They need your help.
It's just a funny situation. I think it upset a lot of people and I'm sure the employees within, and I've talked to a few people that are
that work inside purcell that you know didn't didn't like that and i think if i want to make the case for people that are upset with it it's that generally this is fine no matter who wins an election like there's two candidates you agree with one screw the other it's fine it's a democracy it's the outcome of the election um and you know everything you're saying makes sense i think the way people feel is this candidate is so outside the bounds of what's acceptable that
Anyone treating it like a normal situation is implicitly saying that this is... I'm normalizing this candidate as a normal person, but people believe that this is... So outside the range of anything normal, we shouldn't do anything that might potentially normalize this type of behavior. I get it. I see that argument. Yeah, sure.
Definitely outside normal. I also feel like it's not going to get any better over the next 20 years. I just feel like...
normal that ship sailed a long time ago like our our political sphere is so far from normal at this point i mean i think like that like the democrats are just gonna keep losing because they're trying to play like normal games and at some point they gotta learn the lesson though and it's not just a normal thing for me so jay posted a bunch about this uh they didn't just lose
It was like a colossal loss. It was like a slap in the face, right? They did so bad across the board, everywhere, Senate, House of Representatives. Compare every single county to how Biden performed. And Biden was like such a nothing candidate to be in with. It was like... It's just like...
They've had so many moments where they should have like been like, we need to pivot drastically because we're like failing in places we should not be failing at all. Yeah. And you kind of wonder like at what point do they realize like we got to stop fucking around and like just go for the win. Yeah. And do what we need to go for the win.
And what they need to do for that has been kind of obvious for a very long time. So yeah, I just don't know why it doesn't happen.
Well, now I feel like you need to say it because I mean, it's probably not obvious to me.
I'm pretty simple on this front. I think a few things that they do wrong is every, every politician when they were campaign, they're supposed to do some very basic things, make very concrete promises so that the average person can understand what they're getting when they elect you. You know, most of the times these are like effectively lies or they don't happen, but that's like the thing.
When I say Trump, you know that you get border, you get tax cuts, you get like these like any average person can probably tell you what they are. Yeah. If I say, you know, the other candidate, what, what, what is their thing? What are you getting with that? Sure. Nobody knows.
Do you just not know? Do you not know how to pronounce Kamala? Cause I don't either. Kamala Harris. That's the one.
Not only is she half Indian, she's actually from the exact same part of India as me.
I know, I didn't know that you had this tie until like the day of the election. That's so cool.
Yeah.
I mean, it sucks to lose, but it's so cool that you have that tie to a losing politician.
I don't like her and I don't think she's a good candidate, so it's fine.
My problem with the Democrats is way more like Grug Bane. You're probably on the hoodie guy and I'm on the far left of the Grug meme or whatever, the bell curve. Mine is just like, they're going against a party that's like... It's like a religion for them. I mean, in some cases, it literally is a religion for them. But they're so passionate about their candidate.
It's like they would die for their candidate. And then on the Democrat side, they're just like, well, guys, here's logic and reason and why we should do this this way. And it's like there's no passion. There's no just being fired up about it.
And that's kind of what I'm saying. Well, that is true, but... I don't think the reason they lost was because the Democrats failed to win over really passionate people. What happened was they just failed to win over, they just failed to win over, like, People that don't care that much.
They got the passionate people. They just don't have anybody else.
Yeah. And Trump is always going to have like that side of the passionate equivalent on their side. Right. Yeah. It just felt like people were like, I don't care about the details. Like, here's X, Y, Z reasons why I'm happy. And there's one candidate says he's going to fix X, Y, Z things. Whereas I feel like Democrats entire thing, they keep doing this is they're
All they talk about is how they're not this other person, how this other person is really bad in X, Y, Z ways. And even though those things are true, it's just not what the average person is looking for. Yeah. So that's one thing. And the second thing is just actually just steal what the Republicans talk about and just make that your own talking points.
Because they're just basic things that everyone, the average person cares about. Yeah. I feel the Democrats are really focused on these really complex issues. like crazy ideas that don't really impact most people. Like just kind of flush that side of the stuff out of your party and just be like kind of boring and be like, we're going to make you richer. We're going to make you safer. Yeah.
You do that. Yeah.
That's like two of those three things. What's the Maslow's like hierarchy or whatever. That's a couple of the big ones. right?
Yeah. Just do that. Be boring. Be straightforward. Pick a candidate that like is like a Southern governor or something. That's a Democrat. There's a few of those. I just can't see you not winning if you do that. Yeah.
Who was the VP candidate? Was he a, he was a governor from somewhere.
Was it a Southern state or from Minnesota? Yeah. Midwest. Like, you know, he's pretty, he's pretty close.
Shouldn't they like, I don't know.
Yeah.
had one from Georgia or Pennsylvania or is that retrospect?
They were considering the one from Pennsylvania. Okay.
Yeah.
They're considering the governor of Pennsylvania. He was like, I guess there's no one state that decided this one.
They just kind of got swept across the board. Like four years ago, it was like Georgia. Yeah. Turns out really important. Was that four years ago? Yeah. This time, not so much.
It was just sort of like a sweep. It's like, how did you do worse than Biden?
That should be like a crazy wake up call. That's a big slap in the face for sure. I don't know how Biden became president. That's kind of wild, actually. Maybe that's also revisionist history. Like maybe he didn't seem so old and decrepit when he ran, but yeah, I'm pretty simple. Are you old and decrepit? I'm out. Sorry.
The other thing is, uh, I think this has gotten more extreme over time. I think it's going to be very, very hard for a candidate to have consecutive terms. I don't know how frequent this has been historically, but I think it's just going to get harder and harder because I just feel like it's an overall attention span thing.
Like we try someone new and if it doesn't go well, we're just like, we want the next thing.
Yeah.
So picking a candidate that's associated with the existing administration, you're just like screwed from the beginning.
That was a rough situation all the way around because like, I remember when the talk was like, they could never remove Biden. He's never going to step out. Like, this is just what they're stuck with. And then when it did finally shift. Yeah. It's like, how do you prepare that late in the game?
Like it's kind of, and like, she's stuck being like, I can't be like everything. I disagree with everything.
Biden did everything different because the support, but like also, yeah.
And like you were there. So you're just, you're just kind of saying like, I failed to be impactful. Oh yeah. That's tough. Everyone wants something new. Everyone wants like a brand new,
No, I hear you on the consecutive terms thing. In fact, I think I heard it on like a 538 podcast. They talked about the trend. It's like, it's what you said, the attention span, but it's also the like distrust and authority. It's like basically every incumbent government, everyone's like, nah, you're not it. Like we don't trust you and you had a chance and you failed.
Yeah. So I think given those things, you just got to bring something fresh every single time. And I hope the next time that they put someone up,
they're really trying to go for the win like if you're like i need to win i need to figure out what to do to win yeah you would do almost nothing that they did uh i just wish they would focus on on winning more go for more of them yeah it seems like a good strategy i mean really if you're to focus on winning i feel like if you're gonna focus on something you should probably be winning i don't know uh i just went like 15 seconds without without saying anything that was just for fun uh
Yeah, I think like more of a boom busty kind of like I play fantasy football and you have players that like they're going to get you nine points and it's not going to be exciting and you're kind of going to hate that they're on your team, but like whatever, they're going to get you your nine points. And then there's people that could get you 25 points or they're probably going to get zero.
Are you saying like when you say go for the win, is it like get somebody like that who's kind of polarizing and like a a big swing and a miss kind of potential, but could be a home run.
Yeah. I guess what I'm saying that like picking the candidate is one thing, but just overall, just the attitude does not seem to be like, we're going to do whatever it takes to win. Like we're going to figure out the strategy we're going to do. We're going to, we're going to focus on what people want to hear. We're going to like say those things.
If that changes, we're going to pivot and say the other things that people want to hear. Like it's, it's an election. It's not like, You got to do what you need to do to win the election. So then you can do the things you need to do when you're in power. And that's just the way it is. Like it's maybe doesn't fit some ideal, but it's just the way it is. The game will never be the same.
Isn't that a song? I think I made that one. Did I make that one up?
Yeah, you're right.
That is a song. It's like an old, old song. I think. Was it really musical today? I know. I keep singing. Uh, maybe that's my new identity. I'm going to be a singer. Maybe you're in a good mood. Maybe. It's kind of crazy given the last 24 hours.
You know what it feels like? You know how it feels like when it comes to sports, let's say like sprinting. You know, someone should just be able to like... be born a certain way and then like just train generally. And then they could just be the best printer ever. But the game has gotten advanced even for something as basic as run really fast. It's like, there's a whole perfect nutrition approach.
There's a whole like exact type of training you need to do. And each thing gives you like a 0.1 percentage advantage. And there's just so many of those things where if you're not playing the game, you like really just, the game has just changed. I feel that way about, uh,
politics too like it's very advanced now yeah that's a great analogy actually uh it's like in the 50s you could be a professional football player and you're like smoking cigars at halftime and you're like drinking a can of beer and then you go back out after the first half now it's like elite, elite nutrition. Everything is perfect to hone those little tiny advantages. That's dead on.
Well, even like you look at the Olympics that come around every four years, like the swimmers, they all have the like perfect swimmer body. Like they're proportioned to be an Olympic athlete. Like you can't just be born with like long legs and suddenly you're going to be an Olympic swimmer. You have to have the like giant upper body, tiny little like dolphin legs or whatever.
They look like boats. Yeah. They literally look like a hole. Yeah.
Like everything now, it's like it gets more and more refined and more competitive. And yeah, you're right. That's how politics should be. Like you got to get up to that level of challenge if you're the Democratic Party and you got to say, this isn't the 50s anymore. How do we compete at this elite level? That's a great call.
Yeah. Yeah. Just less weakness, more strength.
A lot of people talk about, I feel like as a layman that doesn't really get into political science, a lot of people talk about the Democrats being like bad at elections, but they win sometimes, right? Yeah. I mean, Biden. Who was it before that, I guess?
Obama.
Obama, right. Before that, Bill Clinton. Clinton.
Yeah. I mean, Bush in between.
Yeah, there's been some Democratic wins.
But the Clinton win was very similar to the... the situation right now, but in reverse, the Republicans were messing up in a way. And then the Democrats are like, here is a Southern governor from Arkansas.
Yeah. He kind of had the wider appeal. He could appeal to people that were a little more in the middle.
Who's young also. Like he was pretty, he was definitely not near the ages that we're listening. We're seeing now. What is that about? I don't understand the politics thing. Yeah. 90 year old. The other thought I had is like, we might just be in like a really weird time. Like, there's a lot of people from a generation we cannot connect to at all still alive.
And then you like shift forward 10 or 20 years. And that'll be different. Everyone kind of looks the same at that point. There's like not really... These people that are like, they live in a different world, effectively. Just say it. Boomers. They're boomers. Yeah, they're boomers. That we don't have any boomers. Have I ever said the word boomer before?
I don't know. I'm pretty sure we don't have any boomer listeners. I'm pretty sure. I don't think they listen to podcasts, if I'm being honest. What about your mom? I don't think she listens. I don't know. Mom, do you listen to this? Let me know in the comments. Like and subscribe, please. I don't actually think my parents listen. No, I don't think boomers know what podcasts are even.
I don't think it's like on their radar. They listen to like Sirius XM. They have like satellite radio. They don't listen to podcasts.
Yeah. Like by the time, like in 10 or 20 years, the oldest people around will maybe be our parents. And yeah, like if that, right. And it's at that point, it's like everyone, most people on earth are going to be from this like internet world. Uh, and we're definitely not, we definitely don't all agree, but like there's at least there's not like these, like there's that commonality. Yeah.
Like I think generally people from those world, like understand like the modern world where like a lot of what you read is not true and you're skeptical of like everything. Like it's, it's a, that's a great point.
Actually. I don't think about how old there are. There are so many people in their seventies, eighties that are voting that like, uh, We are basically a different species. I mean, like, we have nothing in common with that generation at this point. Like, they're far removed from our modern society, right? Like, is that ageist? I don't know if I'm being a horrible... I mean, it's just a reality.
Like, you know, the world changed a lot in a certain time period, and you're either on one side or the other side of it. Mm-hmm.
yeah i don't think about like the gap in ages you got 18 year olds voting and then you got 75 year olds voting kind of weird actually like to think that that group of people yeah would all come to like a common solution and for me it's less about the voting and more about the literally being an office thing oh that that is nuts to me there should be an age limit if we still have this problem like 75 year old people running for president
Again, in 10 or 20 years, that 75-year-old person is not that weird compared to... It's more of our peers than... Or at least less of a gap. That's an interesting thought experiment.
Yeah.
Do you get really dry this time of year? I guess Miami's really wet. Do you ever get dry?
I got a comment on the video already that was like, I love that Miami's humid because it makes your head look so shiny.
I'm looking at the shine in your head right now. That's funny.
I don't, yeah, I don't get, I don't get dry.
Okay. Well, I have to like slather, uh, like lip balm on my lips. Cause they're cracking like the corners of my lips. Like I can't open my mouth very wide. I remember that.
Oh, I remember that. That lip, the lip.
You got that in New York or something?
Like, Just my whole life. How can I say this? I don't have chap lips.
I don't want to be racist. That's a terrible way to start a sentence because it's like sure that you're going to say something racist after that.
The moment you say that, it makes me really excited to hear what you're about to say.
Well, I don't want to like jump to conclusions, but I know like different color skin has different properties. And I just wondered like when you lived in New York, you see you, you do get dry skin. You don't really burn sunburn except for that one time. So I just didn't know if like, I don't know, your skin is just naturally moister than mine and it just never gets dry.
No, actually, people with darker skin tend to have drier skin. Really? Okay. In my experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. I think that's related to the climate. When I was in colder climates, my super dry skin, I still don't take care of my skin that well, but it's way less dry than it used to be.
Just from being in Miami. Where you're from in India, is it... Like a warm tropical climate? Like what kind of climate?
It's like identical to Miami. Really? Tropical. Well, that's nice.
Got that little slice of home.
I'm in my, I'm in my, the correct environment. Did you ever play Zoo Tycoon?
Uh, maybe. Oh, I think I'm flooding with good memories right now. Yes.
Yeah. You like build the cages? It's like Rollercoaster Tycoon, but you make a zoo. Yes. Yeah.
It's very similar to Rollercoaster Tycoon.
Yeah. And you have to like, you have to like put like the right terrain and environment so the animals would be happy. Oh yeah.
I do remember this. That's you.
Yeah.
You're in your correct habitat.
It feels that way. I'm like in the correct habitat, yeah.
Had you had that thought before or did that one just click?
No, I think as I was imagining me being in Florida, it's like, yeah, I got dropped here, but like, you know, they recreated the right environment for me.
That's too funny. Can we, we got to get the guy. I'm sure he's done a lot of podcasts. The guy that made roller coaster tycoon and assembly. That's like a legendary story at this point, isn't it? I want to hear from him. I want to hang out with that guy. Who is he? I wonder how old he is.
Mr. Tycoon himself.
Yeah. Mr. Tycoon. Right.
Yeah. It was the last name.
Who are like the legend? Like we got to have more people. Sorry. I know you're just, I just blew right past that joke. Sorry. We got to have more people on the podcast and I don't know who people would want to hear from. I mean, I can think of people I'd like to hang out with. I don't know if you're a listener of the show and you want to like email us at something, something at tomorrow.fm.
Shoot us an email. Let us know somebody you'd like to have on.
You have somebody? Can I tell you something I struggle with a little bit? Yes. I think that I... This isn't like enough of a problem to say like we should or should not do anything.
Are you breaking up with me?
I think I struggle. No. Okay. I struggle with those types of guests.
What type of guests? Oh, like famous people?
Like people that are accomplished and like further... They're past the point where they have accomplished something and now they're just established. Like DHH? Just call them out. Because... It has nothing to do with the person. It's a me thing. I...
feel like i am way too on the same track or attempting to be on the same track as these people so my entire mindset around everything when i think about these people is like seeing me be their peer one day because i like get to maybe not the same level accomplishment but get to like any amount of accomplishment on the same track and when i when i like when we have them as guests like i don't i don't feel good in this like interviewer
Yeah, I don't want to interview. I want to hang out. That's a good point.
Yes, exactly.
Like when we had Pocock on and we're just hanging out. It's like just peers that are at the same kind of stage of career just talking. That's perfect.
But this thing where if you're just trying to be... if you're, if you're not on the same track with these people and you're just trying to like do content and do that stuff, like it makes, it makes total sense. But for me afterward, I always had this like weird feeling of like, I don't know.
It's hard for me to articulate, but it's, uh, it just in conflict with like my drive and my motivation and everything. I suddenly feel like I'm being pushed into this other. Yeah.
It's kind of dumb, disingenuous reasons that I would want to have well accomplished people. It's just for numbies, you know, it's just like, I want downloads. No, I just want somebody whose people are going to see the name and be like, oh, man, I got to listen to that. But if it was just about the enjoying the show, you're right.
I mean, I enjoyed listening to DHH talk straight 90 minutes without getting a breath in. That was fun. But if I'm being honest, the Pocock thing, people who... I mean, even having Taylor and Ryan on, they're people that are in our... They're definitely more accomplished. They're more accomplished, but they're in our stage of career. They're not retired. They're not like...
on Mount Rushmore or whatever.
I think the other thing that's challenging is when you're in this interviewer position to do that, well, you have to be really neutral and let the person like really be able to get deeply into the way they think. But because I want to be more of a peer, I don't want to do that. I want to like be in conflict in certain areas and like have a different perspective on it.
And the reality is it's, you can't really do that. Like that just doesn't really with someone like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
It just doesn't really, really exist.
So let's, let's just have, yeah, let's just have peers on. We need to just have the whole terminal crew on. We've never done that. Right. Just like have us all five. I guess it'd be really hard to have five of us on.
No, we should do it. Yeah.
It'd just be fun. I mean, it'd just be like, whatever. It's maybe it's a train wreck, but people listen. Yeah.
No, we should do it.
I guess we should get off here. I have no idea how long it's been. Cause my thing is broken. I hope it recorded. How come you don't have to pee?
Has that changed too?
I'm a new man. I no longer have to pee. Think of all the productivity.
You were peeing because you were so nervous. I was so nervous. You were bottling up all your emotions and the emotions were pushing out the urine.
I actually think there could be something to that. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor. I can't rule it out. It's possible. Or maybe you were nervously drinking water. Maybe.
I mean... You had some kind of repressed stuff, so you were just drinking the water as a way to self-regulate.
I think it's a simpler explanation that we're recording at a weird time today. And this is not the time of day I pee constantly. I pee a lot in the morning right after coffee. Like, I drink coffee and then I have to pee every 20 minutes for like three hours. And then I'm good. Like, all afternoon I haven't drank anything. So... Has it been an hour? How long have we been talking?
I have no idea because I have to get my boys off screen time.
So before we get off, I want to tell you one theory. So Liz has all these funny theories that are like... They're funny because they seem kind of ridiculous, but they're not totally implausible. She has a whole set of them. But there's one that maybe you'll find helpful. Oh, I love it.
I think I've heard. Sorry. I think I've heard her say theories like this where she's like, I have a theory. I can hear her doing that.
Exactly. She thinks that we all underplay the role of smell in all parts of our lives, especially relationships. And she thinks that, uh, when you meet someone new, all the excitement is because you have this new smell and then eventually you get very used to their smell. And that, uh, correlates with, you know, the relationship going stale.
I love this.
And I, I, it could be true. And there just needs to be compatibility with smells. And she's like, that's how animals work. And we're an animal. Like, why do we think we're, it's true. We're, we're beyond this. Um, And she has a bunch of other observations around this that I can't remember right now, but to support it.
Is it just romantic relationships or just friendships, everything?
Probably everything, but I think she's mostly talking about romantic ones. Huh. So, yeah, maybe you guys should spend time in places that don't have each other's smells and then get back together.
Just to be reminded of the smell. Yeah, just to like, you know. it's funny. We don't like, uh, Casey's pretty sensitive to like fragrances, like chemical fragrances. And we don't wear like cologne or perfume. All of our cleaners, we just use like, okay. Yeah. We just use like a vinegar for cleaning solution.
Like we try to like, so when somebody comes over and they've got like a lot of perfume on or something, it's like, it's in the house for a couple of days. And it just like, It's very stark when you're not used to it.
That reminds me... Okay, there is some kind of perfume that I will smell off someone. Like, maybe, like... Once every two weeks, like walk by someone or whatever and I'll smell it. It is such a shocking smell to me because it smells so strongly of like cleaning alcohol or something. And it reminds me of like COVID for some reason.
It reminds me of like disinfecting something, like all the disinfectant that was just like in the air everywhere.
and like it like i had such like a repulsive reaction to it and for the longest time i didn't even know it was perfume i literally thought like oh someone just like came from the hospital without hand sanitizer or whatever or like yeah something like that and it's it's like this guttural reaction i have and then i realized the other day like no that they're smelling like that on purpose like they're trying to trying to smell like that
I like my brain, like Kyle understood how it could be a perfume for like a second. And I was like, Oh my God. But for me, it just smells like horrible. It reminds me of COVID. Yeah. This is the worst design perfume ever.
It's really interesting perfume and cologne. Did you wear cologne like growing up, like in high school? I did, for sure.
I'm not trying to shame. I'm sure I had the same high school boy thing where I tried it for a bit. But I'm just not good with habits like that.
High school boys. Is there a weirder subgroup than high school boys? I feel like that is the... So embarrassing. ...strangest. It's the most embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for high school boys right now, whoever they are. I don't even know them.
Are they embarrassing anymore? Probably.
Well, actually... Yes, they have the broccoli haircut. Have you seen this? Okay. Like I go to my gym and there'll be like eight people there and six of them are 18 year old boys with that haircut. It's insane. I don't know if it just hit the Ozarks late. When did everyone get curly hair? I don't know. They have to be like perming it or something. They're doing this on purpose.
There's no way that many kids have curly hair. I'm just, I'm convinced they're all going in perms and then they shave the sides. It looks ridiculous. I don't know how to like reach out to that generation and just shake them and say, listen, it's not good. It's not a good haircut.
But every generation needs something to look back on and be embarrassed by because it's like a bonding thing.
Ours were the frosted tips. I had like the blonde frosted pointy. You had the blonde frosted? Oh, yeah.
I just had the fucking thing in the front.
Oh, yeah, the rooster thing. That was our generation, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's funny.
Yeah, and my hair was super curly, so it was really hard for me to get it like that.
You could have had the broccoli cut.
Natural. Yeah, I could have had it. I could have had it naturally. Yeah, I know. Born at the wrong time. Now I don't even have any hair, so I can't even do it.
Man, I really, I wish I didn't have to just put a hat on all the time. I'm going to shave it eventually because I just never want to fix my hair. So your hair is the dream. Like just shave it and never had to fix it. I guess you have to shave it.
Did I tell you my plans for my hair? No. implants okay so no no okay so i did so i found out that one of the best hair transplant places in the world is like 10 minutes away of course it is of course it's in miami yeah uh-huh yeah of course so i was like okay i'll just go get a consultation see what yeah what's what And here's why I know it's a really good place. I went in, had my conversation.
They talked me through a bunch of... They asked me a lot of really interesting questions. They had a lot of suggestions. And they told me not to do one. Oh, why? That's how you know they're good because they're not trying to just get the money out of you. Yeah. So basically, here's the thing I did not understand. So my thought process was... I might as well get it.
If I don't like it, I like the way I like my shaved head. I can just go back to it. Yeah. But it turns out you can't go back to your shaved head if you get a hair transplant. Cause where they, they take the hair from the back of your head and it leaves these like little dots there. So you have to commit to like your new full time, the new look forever. Yeah.
And if you don't like it, you can't, you can't shave. So yeah.
Well, you look good bald, so I feel like it would be a waste to ruin that for the rest of your life.
Yeah, so he literally looked at me and he just judged me aesthetically.
He was like, you have a head that looks good shaved.
Yeah. So he was like, I think I would make you look worse if I did what we did. And he said I would have to have two treatments, not just one. And so it would take like a year and he just, he was just like looking at everything. It was just like, I noticed he's like, yeah, he had very low confidence that it would make me look better.
And that's, what's funny about doctors in this field, whether it's plastic surgery or hair transplants, they need a sense of aesthetics to be like, I can make this person look better.
or i can't make this person look better and this is what looks good this is what looks bad and they like study that and get it get a good taste for it so now i know that a hair transplant is technically never going to be an option for me unless they figure out hair cloning which is like they take a little bit of your hair and they make it into more um which is like you know that's like the technology trying to figure out yeah um so i'm like okay if i can't do that i'm gonna go the other extreme
I'm going to get laser hair removal on my head.
Oh, so you never have to shave again.
Yeah, so here's the next funny bit. So I'm looking into this. I'm like, is this a thing? Whoa, this is really great. Someone on YouTube just makes a bunch of content. She's someone that removes, that does this, and she makes a bunch of content about it. And I learned so much. Looked her up 20 minutes away from my house.
Oh, my word. Where do you live, Bex? It's not real. This is...
the best hair removal place the best hair addition place anything aesthetic you want to do to yourself you know miami's got you covered it's like what we do um so i think it's going to be a little painful and it's like make sure you don't stay in the sun a little bit after you do it so it's a little tricky but yeah yeah but like just never had like if i could always look like this this is like i shaved yesterday yeah um
That would be fantastic. And I don't have to worry about my hair ever again just to my beard.
Oh, man, that does sound. Yeah, I wish they could make it where your hair like I want my beard to just stay the length that it gets and then like not grow. Can they do that? It'd probably be really bad for you if they could. They'd have to like radiation or something. I don't know.
like kill the hair follicles but like then the hair would slowly start falling out and you just have all these missing patches that'd be awful i don't understand why wigs aren't more popular yeah like they solve the problem perfectly like you look you can look like whatever you want that's a good point why isn't that more popular i could just wear one even like it could be the way i style my hair and then i don't have to style my hair i just have a wig on save me a lot of time so right now you're wearing a hat because yeah instead of wearing a hat you just throw on a wig you know
That's so funny. I didn't do my hair today. Just, I don't know. It's like, I got to do my hair, Casey. I'll be right back. I mean, that's, I guess. No, I guess that's what it is. Is that weird? I'm not someone that understands this world. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
It's just like, it sounds like what my grandma did to her hair. She'd like do up her hair. I feel like the bald is really good on you. The only thing I would say you could add, have you considered being Jewish? Have you considered like converting to Judaism? Yeah, because I think the little cap on your bald head would be amazing. I think they'll look good. Just give it a whirl.
That is really great.
I never thought of that. Try one on.
You got the beard and everything. Just try one on. If you like it, you can always just do the Jewish thing. Can you become Jewish or is it only if you're born in a certain place? I don't know.
No, you can convert, but I have too many Palestinian friends, so I don't know if I could actually do that. Also, our coffee supplier is Palestinian.
Oh, interesting. I hope I didn't just offend people. I feel like there's certain things, if I just say certain words, I'm not sure. I'm so uncultured that I just don't even know. So I'm sorry. I love all people. All people are great.
I was mostly kidding. I do wonder what I look like with a yarmulke. I see why you're saying that, because it looks like it would just perfectly fit right there.
I think it looks best on bald people. I think some people... You don't have to be bald to wear a yarmulke, right? It's not just bald people. Okay, I'm going to stop offending people.
Well, I was going to say something that was maybe the most offensive of everything you just said.
Maybe it's not.
I'm going to say it. It's just a theory. It's not real. It's just a funny observation. When people go bald, they get that circle right here. Exactly where the yarmulke goes.
You think that's what they invented the yarmulke for?
That is quite convenient.
That's interesting. Interesting theory. I have a theory. Okay.
what they call it the solar panel they call it something like that that's what they like when you have a bald spot right there they call it the solar they call that they call it something oh the horseshoe or something i don't know but uh i feel like we've offended so many groups of people on this episode bald people i mean that's good as long as we offend everyone okay
Everyone?
Okay. It doesn't seem targeted.
Yeah. So everyone like on the political spectrum, like if you're on the right or the left, you should all be offended. Feel bad.
You voted for Trump, you're an idiot. You voted for Kamala, you're an idiot. Didn't vote, you're an idiot. Yeah. How could you not vote, you loser?
Uh, okay. I think my boy's got extra screen time. You're welcome. Podcast listeners.
They should just listen to episodes of our podcast while we record this.
Do you want to know what they watch? Well, actually I'm blanking. It's like every combination of two animals. It's like shark dog and like,
tiger boy I don't know it's like so many how many shows you remember when we were kids and we watched like Saturday morning cartoons and it was like Power Rangers or this other thing this I was talking about this other day there's so many shows that I watched and I found like I didn't like the aesthetics like it made me uncomfortable but I watched because it was the only thing the only thing
Yeah, we had to learn a little perseverance. Now our kids have hundreds of different shows they could watch. It's insane. Netflix just cranks out the cartoons. I feel like they can make them even easier than like live action stuff. Yeah, there's so much stuff on there. It overwhelms me. I mean, I feel that way about normal Netflix. Just like... spending 15 minutes at the beginning.
It's like, what are we going to watch? And you just never feel good about it. There's something there. Figure that out. I don't know. I feel like they could figure that out.
Sometimes instead of watching, we'll just spend an hour browsing, like intentionally. Like sometimes I'm like, I'm feeling browsy. Yeah, browsy. And we'll just, we'll just like go through each thing and look at it and just make funny comments and we'll spend an hour. Yeah. And then we'll go to sleep.
Yeah, I mean, it is a form of entertainment. They do the little preview even, like they start playing stuff. You can kind of get a little taste of a lot of stuff. Yeah. All right. Uh, cool. I don't know. Uh, I think I forgot that we don't know how to end episodes, so I can hear my child screaming. I'm going to go. Okay. Bye.