Monica Lewinsky
Appearances
American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | Suffering in Silence | 4
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | Suffering in Silence | 4
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | Suffering in Silence | 4
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | Suffering in Silence | 4
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American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | The Last to Leave | 3
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | The Last to Leave | 3
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | The Last to Leave | 3
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
American History Tellers
Buffalo Soldiers | The Last to Leave | 3
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MrBallen’s Medical Mysteries
Ep. 73 | Darkness in Donora
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
MrBallen’s Medical Mysteries
Ep. 73 | Darkness in Donora
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
MrBallen’s Medical Mysteries
Ep. 73 | Darkness in Donora
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MrBallen’s Medical Mysteries
Ep. 74 | Sudden Insanity
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
MrBallen’s Medical Mysteries
Ep. 74 | Sudden Insanity
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
MrBallen’s Medical Mysteries
Ep. 74 | Sudden Insanity
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
MrBallen’s Medical Mysteries
Ep. 74 | Sudden Insanity
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PBD Podcast
Epstein Files Release, Trump Gold Card Visa, Andrew Tate In US, Newsom's Podcast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 553
Mit wem? CBS? CBS?
PBD Podcast
Epstein Files Release, Trump Gold Card Visa, Andrew Tate In US, Newsom's Podcast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 553
Have you thought about that? Oh my gosh. I think that... I think that he should have said... I'm like now thinking this through. I don't think I've answered this question before. But good question. I haven't been asked that before.
PBD Podcast
Epstein Files Release, Trump Gold Card Visa, Andrew Tate In US, Newsom's Podcast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 553
I think that the right way to handle... A situation like that would have been to probably say it was, you know, nobody's business and to resign, you know, or to find a way to find a way of staying in office that was not lying and not. throwing a young person who is just starting out in the world under the bus. And at the same time, I'm hearing myself say that.
PBD Podcast
Epstein Files Release, Trump Gold Card Visa, Andrew Tate In US, Newsom's Podcast | PBD Podcast | Ep. 553
And it's like, okay, but we're also talking about the most powerful office in the world.
REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana
Death of Che
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana
Death of Che
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana
Death of Che
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.
REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana
Operation Greylord: Chicago’s Corrupt Courts
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana
Operation Greylord: Chicago’s Corrupt Courts
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana
Operation Greylord: Chicago’s Corrupt Courts
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana
Operation Greylord: Chicago’s Corrupt Courts
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, everyone. For today's episode, I spoke with my dear friend, Alan Cumming.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah, so really the Me Too that we saw in 2017 was Me Too 2.0, right? And so, because Tarana had started the movement 10 years earlier, and it was so fascinating to me, with my social psychology background, to observe how when I put Me Too, everybody assumed I was talking about 98, and I actually was talking about this other experience.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
several others that I had had that were sort of what I was mentioning before in terms of this something that I had always talked about, like having lost my virginity at 19. Yes. And I was in therapy. I had been with this therapist for five years at this point. And I was like, well, technically I was 14, but that didn't count. Right.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
You know, and that whole, and so the, and her sort of talking me through, no, that's an unwanted sexual, you know, no, no, but I liked him and the whole thing. And I was fucking 14. Right.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And there was no, consent wasn't a thing and the whole, whatever. But what we also see, right, is like Vessel Bandelkork, I never say his name right, but the body keeps the score. And so the reality is like you were saying, about when you were 28, that you had suppressed all these memories. And so they were living in you.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And so it just is, so sometimes it can take a long time to see the damage. Like they'll say about a car accident, you know, if you've like hurt your neck in a car accident, that may not, you know, show up for 10 years, like the actual damage. And so I think that's what sort of,
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Always the German. German or Japanese. It's always, right, the best words.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
That's so interesting. I have to think about that because my initial reaction is I don't agree with that. And what do you mean? Well, I think in the sense that if there had not been any element of trauma in that experience... We wouldn't be making the connection. We wouldn't be drawing the line from a later thing looking back at something.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I think we just may not experience it in the linear way that we look at trauma or think of trauma.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Exactly. And I was thinking, I was nervous, and I was thinking about two things. One was, I did the math. We've actually now known each other for 25 years. Because we met in 99. I checked on the calculator. Was it 99? I thought it was 1,000.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
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Alan Cumming
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
It's already 1,000. No, I'm pretty sure it was 99 because I did that.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
If you're looking for clothes you want to feel great in and feel better about, head to Reformation.com. I know in the 28 period, right, when you were 28, then you started to confront the stuff with your dad, your dad's abuse.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Wait, is that the one when we were both? Oh, right. And I was in green also. We look like.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
We look like leprechaun twins. Maybe that was 99. I can't say leprechaun anymore.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
So I was saying. Quarter of a century. I know. Exactly. So our 25 year friendiversary. And then I was also thinking about that in the 25 years I've known you, I've never been nervous to talk to you.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And... Were you worried when Tom started to have kids? Were you, like, did he have the same concerns about fatherhood that you had?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Oh, wait, sorry. So I'm not sure I understood this before. Was Tom cognizant of the abuse or had you both pushed it away?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I'm a little less nervous, but I'm nervous. You know, I'm a little bit of a perfectionist.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah. I think that's one of the hard things, particularly about trauma and abuse when you're young, is that it's sort of... You become, it's like you are able to gaslight yourself, you know, and you become very proficient at it. You become very proficient at it. It's my fault.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
So as you were going through this, were you talking to your dad at this point?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah. I remember a dinner we had in L.A. a long time ago. And you really opened my eyes to something I didn't. you know, I guess naively hadn't thought about before that before people come out, they are being forced to live a lie.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And I just, I hadn't thought about the weight of living with lies like that. And so like, I always, I understood, okay, yes, of course it's painful. You're, you, you know, you're, hiding in some ways, but somehow the idea that it was a lie and the heaviness of that was really.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I printed it out. This is part of an email you sent me.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I mean, it was a nightmare, but... It was so tangled. Yes, it was too... And so many... And I was so young. Tendrils. But I think... Yeah.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
If you feel comfortable reading it on the thingy, you can, but you could read it first.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Well, I think for me, it was... You know, I think that a lot of the work I had to do when I came out of graduate school, and I thought I had gone to graduate school thinking, okay, now I'm going to start my real life as Monica Lewinsky, whoever I was supposed to be, and came out and couldn't get a job. I think that...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
So much of the work I had to do in that, you know, what I call the dark decade, which you were there for. Yes. And.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I know, right? Like a secret inventor. Einstein and me.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
There was, oh, this one was, I think kind of came from you or maybe you did, was Star Ruffs. Or Starbucks. It was supposed to be the dog biscuits at Starbucks for the dogs.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Oh, that is brilliant. Thank you. Okay, that's fucking brilliant. It's good, isn't it? Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. Mac, you should listen to this.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I tried. I was a little engine that could. I kept trying. You certainly did. I kept trying. You certainly did. But sort of going... Looping back when you had your, I think you called it your nervous B. Nervy B. Nervy B. Nervy B. I've used that, except I've said nervous B, so sorry. Fine. So you weren't talking to your dad. No.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
But then part of coming, wasn't part of kind of coming out of that spiral was then... Totally, confronting my father, yes.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
We met 25 years ago at a party where we were sitting in a booth and the people in the booth next to us, someone leaned over and started to touch my hair. And I said to Alan, sort of quite frightened that someone was petting me. And we had a moment and kind of both knew that we were going to be good friends ever since then.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I have a weird question. When you were talking about that, like you were giving it back to him, you were no longer going to carry this burden. I feel like sometimes when I've... been in situations like that, I believe it 80%. And there's still 20% that's whatever. But when you're telling the story, it sounds like you had 100% conviction.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
I know, but part of why I wanted to do this with you, like for my first, you were always the first one to do, like there was no question for me about. And it's just, I think you have both witnessed a lot with me in our friendship and you have inspired me so much. And I've learned so much from you.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And so was there any part of you that wasn't sure you were ready to let it go or wasn't sure what would happen? Wasn't sure you would be okay with whatever happened?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
So something you were saying, it was interesting, reminded me of this thing my therapist talks about a lot that I'm always repeating of her thing that trauma doesn't go away. It's an echo.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And the echo, the longer it goes, the sort of more it dissipates.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Right, which is what you were saying that you've, it's such an, I've had these kinds of experiences too. And it's so fascinating where something sort of flits in, right? Yeah. And then, and you're kind of like, oh, we've been here before. And then it almost like origami or something or those old, it's like another layer just opens and you're kind of going, what's this?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah, I remember for me, it would often be I would just I feel like I would just pray to not wake up. Oh, you know, so but it's but you're talking about suicide. I don't know if you remember. I'm fairly certain I told you in Grant.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
That probably over 10 years ago, I had this insane, intense dream where I had gotten on a roller coaster in Las Vegas that was – it was like six people standing next to each other. And you would get on at this very high thing. Yeah. Six people get on and it drops. And the whole point was, it was a suicide ride. The whole point was like, you do not get off the ride.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And halfway down, I changed my mind. And you and Grant flew up.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah. And I just, you know, and that's sort of, What was interesting to me about that dream and so kind of reinforced in this conversation for me too is just around, we don't always talk about the details of the pain between us. Like I feel like when we see each other, oh, this happened and this happened. Oh, this was hard and this was hard.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
But there's sort of that, there's that deep, there's that sort of silent language of trauma. And so sometimes I think when you're Because I have the friends, right, that were always, you know, all the details and all the this and all the that all the time. And that dream just really showed me how much you guys mean to me. And likewise, Monica, you know that.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Okay, you have to tell me what your therapist says that meant.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
This has been amazing. I'm so grateful to you for doing this.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And there aren't other people interrupting the conversation.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah, I do not even want to encourage that, actually. I know. Cut. That's an erased part of the... No, really, thank you so much for this.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky is hosted and executive produced by me, Monica Lewinsky. Production services by WTF Media Studios. Our theme song is by Ben Benjamin and our music supervisor is Scott Velasquez. Our story producer is Elna Baker and our senior producer is Megan Donis. For Wondery, Eliza Mills is the development producer. Our managing producer is Taylor Sniffen.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Nick Ryan is our senior managing producer. Senior producers are Candice Manriquez-Wren and Emily Feldbrake. And executive producers are Dave Easton, Erin O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louis.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah. No, I don't. That's what worries me. I don't either. But I feel like we've mentioned Grant. Grant's my top international husband. Exactly. I think the two best things that come with you, right, are Grant and Mary Darlene. Mary Darlene.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Aww. I love to tell everybody the story from your wedding, how she made the cake in Scotland and brought it down on the train.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Oh, good. I remember you said something at some point about that when you were growing up, it was like a, did you call it a Scottish Downton Abbey?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
So you probably know him as an actor, presenter, author, and host of the hit show Traitors. I've known Alan for so long and so intimately. I wasn't surprised in our conversation when he talked about how abusive his dad had been. But I was really surprised to learn that he had also been groomed by an older man when he was a teenager. So it was a little heartbreaking for me.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And your childhood there, like you were talking before about your hair and getting your hair cut and the whole thing. And I was thinking about how it's funny that in the 25 years, I think every time I see you, your hair is different. And I was like, for me, if it's been six months, I'm like, am I up 20 pounds or am I down 20 pounds? What's Alan's hair? What's Monica's weight?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Did you do, I mean, because you were young, so did you do... work on that, personal work on that before you sort of took the power of, you know, your hair back in the way that it became, your hair became sort of a rebellion.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
But I hope you find something to connect to in our chat. And thanks for joining us on Reclaiming. Thank you to our sponsor, Reformation. Visit Reformation.com to see why they're my go-to for stylish and sustainable fashion. I was thinking this morning, I was awake at 5 a.m.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah, because he was physically abusive. Physically very abusive. Yeah, really abusive.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
Yeah. I think I feel very mindful in my life just because my family got so exposed early on and it was so negative and there was, I think there was so much embarrassment and exposure for them too, that I feel ultra protective.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
So what's interesting to me about what you're saying with the 20, like in this 28 year old period, going to become a father, and you were married to a woman at the time, not Grant. Yeah, nope. But it's interesting to me because I had similar experience in terms of marriage. just becoming more aware of traumatic experiences that I hadn't thought of as traumatic.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
And for me, there was, I had to have done a certain level of healing. So I think it was kind of after I came sort of back out into the public arena, started attempting to take back my narrative. And I think there was a point where I felt on some version, my body, my psyche felt safe enough And that it was, you know, I was in therapy and saying this, you know, thing.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Alan Cumming
It was like, oh, yeah, but that happened. That didn't count.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, everyone. For today's episode, I spoke with my brave and brilliant friend, Olivia Munn. We met over a decade ago and bonded over all things woo-woo.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Okay, me too. And then Cancer. You're Leo. Right. But I'm right on the cusp of Cancer and Leo. Yeah. So in Libra justice. Yeah, exactly.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I know, at the Vanity Fair Oscar party. And then you came over not that long after and you brought me these lovely, it was like Jungian psychology books by... Robert Johnson, I think.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But nuance isn't something... I don't know that a lot of young people have nuance, but for you, you felt like it was more demarcated than... Here's a really great example of how it affected me in my adult life.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Exactly. And we. Yes, he, she, we. He, she, we. And I loved that.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Yeah, the online, right? Because Tarana... Burke started, right, 10 years prior. Oh, yes, yes. So the online version.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Was that experience what led you into kind of diving deeper into your healing work or was that a result that you felt you could sort of stand behind your voice in that way was a result of having done the personal work.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
So many women, I think, find themselves in different levels of relationships that are everything from psychologically and emotionally abusive to physically abusive, and I think find it hard to leave. I think people talk more now about you know, attachment styles and stuff. And so I look back on some of my relationships during what I call my dark decade.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
So kind of in between 98 graduate school, whatever, and my first person essay in Vanity Fair in 2014. And I think I look at it, and maybe it's a story I tell myself, but I I think about that the pain I was in staying in relationships with people who didn't value me, who talked to me a certain way that I allowed and accepted and kept going back for more. And I look at it and I think I was...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I was in a deeper pain and experiencing the pain in the relationship was actually easier. I knew I had to go through pain and that was easier than the pain of really what I was sitting on of both, not only my experiences in 98, whatever, all those experiences before it that, that, that led to all of that. And so did you feel, do you feel like, does that resonate at all or something different?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
You'll find titles that enrich your life, relax you, and the ones I like best, titles that make you laugh. Whatever your focus or interest, there's a listen for it on Audible. Ultimately, it's all about starting good habits. Making a positive change is the best goal you can make for yourself, and Audible can help. There's so much opportunity and more to imagine when you listen.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Let Audible help you reach the goals you set for yourself. Start listening today when you sign up for a free 30-day trial at audible.com slash reclaiming. Thanks so much to our sponsor, Reformation. I want to take a second to talk about one of my favorite clothing brands, Reformation. You've probably seen Reformation on Instagram or at a wedding. They make the best guesting dresses.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But if you're like me, you may have thought, that's all they do. Well, you're in for a pleasant surprise. Last year, they worked with Yours Truly and Vote.org on a campaign to empower voters to take part in the democratic process and show off their workwear. From doing the campaign and getting to know the brand even better, I love their sweaters, blouses, workwear, shoes, and bags.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But most important, I love how confident I feel in their stuff. Plus, it really holds up since they make everything with super high-quality, sustainable materials. Reformation is also a brand that uses their growing platform to do good in the world, and especially in the sustainable fashion space. As they say, being naked is the number one most sustainable option. Reformation is number two.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
If you're looking for clothes you want to feel great in and feel better about, head to Reformation.com. I think what's interesting to me is to just think about how you have this strong sense of self. You lost yourself in this relationship.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
what's so interesting to me is because I think this is in a short period of time, you were able to, it may have been, it may have felt like forever to you and may have seemed near impossible, but you actually stepped into a healing mode and found yourself again in what I think is like a very powerful and quick way of healing.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
You know, in a really – and that's one of the things that I admire about you is that you are – that you have a focus. And I think that's part of – I think that's the good side of the black and white, the good side of the kind of the fierceness, the going in and it's a decisiveness. Yeah. Yeah.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I think we've talked about this before of just you don't always know what's going on behind the curtain, especially for public people where we think we think we know everything, you know, and I as your friend, you know, I watched you. I remember when when you told me about that you had cancer. I remember when you told me I was in the parking garage, I was in my car. So I remember that.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
People who don't know LA watch the Californians. Oh my God.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Do you think, was there any part of you that also felt that in not telling people it sort of, um, that it almost, it could then just turn out to be a nightmare? that it sort of makes it more real when you concretize it, telling other people, or did you? No, I didn't feel that because it's very real when it happens. Yeah. My dad's a, he just retired from being a radiation oncologist. Yeah, I know.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
When you told me, you were like, if you need anything, you were so sweet. You kept offering that. He's an amazing doctor. He just retired at 81, but he's- Well, it's interesting because I grew up really – I mean, I was sort of – I'm like, I was a naughty kid.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But, I mean, I used to sort of snoop around my dad's office and find all these slides of tumors and things, which is not a good thing to do when you're a kid. You don't really understand. Whatever. That's for another therapy session. But what I was going to say is that I wonder if because they started to find –
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
people find cancer so much earlier today if you think that's at all why they thought, oh no, it's so rare. Well, I think they're finding it earlier because for some reason people are getting cancer younger and younger, right? Right. So you decided to do the double mastectomy. I mean, what was that like kind of going in? I mean, watching them, did they mark up your breast?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
And did you, I mean, I don't know if this is too personal, but like, did you do any, did you take like- photos or any sort of a ritual or something before of like saying goodbye to what was there.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I want to hear this story. I did a lot of research. I did all the research, but I didn't get it.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Like saying your scar, you – I want to hear this story because you did this extraordinary. I mean, aside from just as a woman, but also as your friend, just being grateful to you and so proud of you and how you have stepped forward in talking about this. And I think bringing such awareness, one of our producers was saying that she took the test because of you. That makes me so happy. Yeah.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
So crystals, astrology, we just got into deep, real conversation really quickly, which is kind of the way I like to do it. You probably know her as an actor and an activist. And if you're on social media, you'd also know her as the mom to adorable Malcolm and May. Because Olivia and I are close, I knew about her struggle with breast cancer in real time.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
And so I think you've brought so much awareness around the issue and the bravery of talking about your mastectomy too. But then this whole other thing happened. It was like another layer of really kind of... To say owning your story feels cheap in this instance, and I can't think of the right phraseology, but you were doing a Skims ad, right?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Right. And so you went in with a plan of one thing and came out with a plan of another, right? Well, that...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
For the maybe one person listening who didn't see it, the campaign was you proudly letting your scar show.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
still do it i mean you you can i love it but it's very i know it's hard because i remember when you told me that idea and i loved it from that moment you were one of the first people to to just say yes to be involved in this anti-bullying campaign which you wanted me for right It was the other one we were nominated.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
And also sort of, I know for me or my experiences, like somehow being able to use my pain to help ease other people's suffering has probably been the most humbling and gratifying experience in my life, you know, in that way.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
That was like a skill I had to develop to becoming a public person of that. What was that skill? It's so annoying. What is that skill? Well, I don't know that it's a beneficial skill, but it's thinking 10 steps ahead about what you are about to say. And so I find that. Exhausting.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
And I also I think also, too, there was I had another layer of it around, I guess, like really sort of unintended puns or, you know, language that I was concerned about when I gave my TED talk. I remember being worried about I don't know why this is making me emotional. Look at what you're doing to me. Bring all my emotion to the surface. This is what we need.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But that campaign was around really actually reclaiming theme, but around taking back the power from the names that you'd been called as a kid. And so I remember you were... Actually, Kelly Ripa did your intro, and it was something about being a new girl, being bullied for being a new girl in school.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Everybody... I mean... But I remember the... You know, they give you those mics that, like, go on your thing. And I was... I remember being really embarrassed and having to kind of quietly ask the line producer there, like... Is there a shadow? And I was really worried that it would look phallic on my face. Like a phallic shadow on my face. And so something like that.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
You know, those are the filters. It's the same kind of thinking ahead about something. Exactly what you're saying about how people take, you know, something out of...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Gallows humor. It's like, if you can't laugh, you laugh or cry. So I want to ask you something of... It's kind of... It's like a bigger question and there's another piece of it inside it too. I'm ready. Okay. Which is, so I'm really curious about this piece between, well, I guess I'm making an assumption that when you go through something like cancer, you feel like your body's betraying you.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
And I also am curious about that around if If there were any of your experiences that were impacted by the fact that you also have been seen as this like, you know, sex symbol and a hottie and was part of then that sort of other piece of it of like part of your... Like identity. Reclaiming your body really in ways and your identity with the photo shoot and with the ad. Yeah.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Just sort of did that bring you back to yourself in a different way or are those completely separate things? From the beginning, I just...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Yeah, yeah. Do you feel like, because we've talked about this before, like both of us having a love for Sloane Sabbath, do you feel like that role actually in a way sort of married? Because when I talk about you behind your back, I will say like, you're more like Sloane Sabbath, I think, because you're brilliant. You're really brilliant, really smart.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But do you think that role... Because that was sort of where I first saw you as an actor. In fact, it was my mom who told me about the newsroom. She was like, you have to see this Olivia Munn girl. She's beautiful and incredible and all those things. That was Aaron Sorkin's writing.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I've always been more of a Mackenzie, but wanting to be more Sloane Savitt. But, you know.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Do you think Erin found, like saw something in you that you didn't see in yourself yet that sort of ended up in the character that it was?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
So did, okay, did that, did you bring that to bear in the role? Yes, yes.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
You have a new show coming out, Your Friends and Neighbors, on Apple TV.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Yeah. I think we had dinner actually. I was struggling. Yeah. And you were trying to. Like I was just comatose. Make a decision. Yeah. About the medicine. About that. Yeah.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Yeah. And had you gone public about your cancer before you were shooting this show or was... Right before. Okay. Right before. Okay.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I'm so proud of you. Thank you so much. I feel like we're sitting on your sofa. I'm like imagining us sitting on the sofa. Ordering Thai food.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I know because, you know, what choice? No, it's what it is, is that there I don't have like a studio studio. It's sort of move around. Yeah. So this was did they move these chairs? Uh huh.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
So, yeah, guys, I know. I need to break your back on her crystals. I probably have one in my purse. Well, actually, I have one for you because I'll give it to you after I give all my guests a crystal just as an exchange of energy. That's so sweet. OK, well, I'm going to ask you our final question that we ask everybody. So why?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I'd like to know, is there anything that you're working on reclaiming right now? And that could be something personal or a physical object, anything that you feel in your life. That's a great question.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
So just a small PS for this episode. After chatting with Olivia, I went and did the breast cancer risk assessment tool myself. I think that's what it's called. If not, just Google Olivia Munn and breast cancer test and it will come up. And thankfully, my numbers were low, but it was a really great reminder to do something like that. So maybe you also want to do.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky is hosted and executive produced by me, Monica Lewinsky. Production services by WTF Media Studios. Our theme song is by Ben Benjamin and our music supervisor is Scott Velasquez. Our story producer is Elna Baker and our senior producer is Megan Donis. For Wondery, Eliza Mills is the development producer. Our managing producer is Taylor Sniffen.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Nick Ryan is our senior managing producer. Senior producers are Candice Manriquez-Wren and Emily Feldbrake. And executive producers are Dave Easton, Erin O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louis.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But to hear her heartbreaking and inspiring story in the details that she shared in our conversation, it meant so much to me and made me admire her even more. And for any fans of the newsroom, we went there too. So anyway, I hope you find something to connect to in our chat. And thanks for joining us on Reclaiming. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Audible.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I knew you were a badass. I didn't know you were that badass, Olivia.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Yeah. Yeah. all your stands, right? We'll go after that person too. Yes, yes, you're right. And so that's the thing where I think it's interesting to see something, a technology like that, bring, change a whole aspect of kind of our culture, our celebrity culture that way.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Visit audible.com slash reclaiming to find your next listen. Thank you to our sponsor, Reformation. Visit reformation.com to see why they're my go-to for stylish and sustainable fashion. Thank you for being here. I'm so happy to be here. I was so excited when you called. Aw, thanks. I was thinking about, you know, in having this chat, thinking about how we met. Oh my gosh, so long ago.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
What is so interesting to me is because I know you as all these wonderful things of kind and smart and funny and brave and you're an advocate. And so I wasn't surprised at all when you were awarded this Impact Award last year. But what's interesting is to sort of think about... John gave this great speech, and I have a quote from it. I think it went viral on there.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But he said that, Olivia is constantly trying to keep me out of danger and keep me alive through a series of texts.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
But there were some good ones that he was like, baby, be so careful today. You could get monkey pox.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
And I wanted him to know. But it's interesting because then there was the other one of you said, please be so careful today. So many crazy things could come out of nowhere. And Sean's like, like what? And you say crazy cars.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. And I've not spent too much time, but I've spent time with both of you. And I love you guys as a couple. Aw, thanks so much. And I always leave spending time with you with like a new book or having heard something interesting that one of you has said. Same. Always feel better leaving our conversations. But it's interesting because...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I have been thinking about that, your impact award and how funny that speech was. And so it's just interesting to hear like how you were in this, in your youth of kind of this like Karate Olivia badass going to stand up to the bullies and then contrast that with the anxiety, right? That comes in and the nervousness there.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
And were you anxious at the same time when you were younger or is this something that came...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Olivia Munn
I mean, well, I mean, you're younger than I am, but I, I don't, so I don't know for you, but I know for me growing up, we didn't, the anxiety was not a word that was used. It was like, oh, my stomach hurts. No, you know, no.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, hi. Monica here. For today's episode, I spoke with my badass friend, Kara Swisher.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
I want to start out talking about just sort of setting the stage for how we became friends. So I think we first connected on Twitter and then through our mutual friend, Brooke Hammerling, a bit more. Then you kindly were interviewed for a documentary on public shaming cancel culture. Yes, for that great documentary you did. Thank you, that I exec produced.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
I think if they probably have an emotional charge or a trauma to them, they're probably still in there somewhere.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
I don't want to derail us too much, but I had a really unique experience when we were filming a documentary for the 20-year anniversary. 20-year anniversary of the impeachment, and the director of the doc had FOIAed some video. Oh, I love you. And so they had found this video from when my family and I had gone to a radio address.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
And we still didn't meet in person because of COVID then. And then the first time we actually met in person was when you interviewed me for Sway. My favorite interview.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
And so I had a very clear memory of that day, and then they asked me to watch the footage. And I realized in that gap between hearing about the footage and watching it that I thought, what am I going to do? What the fuck if it's not how I remembered it? It's not, right? But it was. It was. Okay, well, you have a good memory then.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
But it was just so interesting because that's such an unusual experience, right, to hold a memory. But now we have digital memories of everything now.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
And it's good. It's healthy. I mean, do you think some of that comes from what you experienced with your dad's passing?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Uh-huh. Not fine, but... And does some of that come from... Because I know that there was then that point where your mom got remarried, right? Yes, a terrible person. Right. And so he... Still not dead, unfortunately. Oh, he's not? No. Okay. He's tried to reach me. And is he... Are he and your mom still married? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. No, they broke up.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Oh, thanks, Kara. That was, it was special. It was. It was special. I mean, it's funny because I was thinking about how we did it in that music studio.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
I understand falling in love with a narcissist. Yes, you do. Exactly. Right. What do you do?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
How did you know with your stepdad to trust yourself and your sense of self instead of what most young people do, which is absorb the negativity that an adult is giving to them?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
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Kara Swisher
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
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Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
If you're looking for clothes you want to feel great in and feel better about, head to Reformation.com. I think I read a quote, I'm going to butcher it, but the gist of it being kind of like when you've lost a parent at such a young age, like you can't give any fucks anymore. You can't. There are no fucks to give anymore because you have the time.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Yeah, even though I knew you were kind, but because you're so exacting and intuitive— And I felt like if anybody was going to smell my imposter syndrome, it was going to be you. You're not an imposter is the thing. I know, but— If you were, it would be harder. I know, but it's that— I think I'm an authentic person, but trying to find myself out there as an adult in different ways has been hard.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
It was interesting. I read somewhere this, just this sentence or statement, whatever, about that we never know when our last breath is. We don't. We don't. And I just thought that sort of reframed.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
I mean, is it in a way, is it? jujitsu-ing, like how people experience death.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
I remember I was asking you if you knew anybody single at some point. You were like, here's the deal. If you end up with someone I set you up with and they have a plane, I get to ride on the plane whenever I want. I was like, that is a totally fair deal. Yeah.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
He sent you an email, right? Yeah. What was the subject?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Yeah. I've only met him once, but I was seated next to him at the Vanity Fair Oscar dinner one year. So this was pre-pandemic. Yep. I remember that one. Yeah. He was single then.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
No, no. This must have been 2018. I remember. And so it was so interesting because he answered every question I asked him. Yeah, he used to be that way. But he didn't... He didn't ask me any questions and it's like a really long dinner. Yeah. So I basically took to just pretending he asked me the question I asked him back and then I answered. Oh, wow.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Because I was like, I don't know how to have a conversation this way. So, I mean, I had asked him about like if he hadn't become Elon Musk and Tesla and all that, what would he have wanted to be? And so he said a science fiction writer. Yeah, he loves science fiction. Yeah. So he said he used to write it when he was younger. He did.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Do you feel like you sort of got like a Jedi school, went to a Jedi school for these kinds of things? Elon Musk's and they got their next.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Yeah. Yeah. One of the things I think that surprised me in reading your book is that I now knew you, so I knew you to be kind, but there was sort of a mushy part to you as a parent, which was a little surprising to me, I think. Like, I knew you loved your kids, but there's a real...
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Lesbians are good at that. I froze my eggs. Oh, you did? Yeah. And my doctor had me do... And I did around... We used some of the eggs and made embryos. And that whole process of buying jizz on the internet is... Yeah, at the time, I did it the old-fashioned way. It's so weird.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
What happens now if he hears the... I don't think he knows that. Okay. I think that's an experiment to do. Like to watch Law and Order with him and see if he twitches or something.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Yeah. You talked a bit in the book too about how your experiences, sorry, I keep going back to when you were younger, but it's super fascinating to me, even though you were five and I was 24. But this idea of disruption in those traumatic events that put you on a different path.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Yeah. You have a tattoo, right? I have several. Okay. I was so surprised. I did not peg you as a tattoo.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Right. And you were, like, the directions you were initially thinking about, was it foreign service? Yeah. Yeah. But then you went into journalism. Yes.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
How did that devastating loss when you were so young end up becoming something that was like a superpower for you?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
You probably know her as a tech journalist, an author, and host of both Pivot with Scott Galloway and On with Kara Swisher. So I've always known Kara to be smart as fuck, direct and kind, but I didn't expect her to reveal kind of such a soft side that she did in our conversation. And truthfully, it made me love her even more. So anyway, I hope you find something to connect with in our chat.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
When I read that bit in the Washington Post, it was like I just wanted to pick up little Kara and put you on my lap and give you some cuddles.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Yeah. Do you think he would have ended up as the same person?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
This reminds me of, so I had this funny experience reading your book, which is I like to go out to dinner by myself sometimes and read. And I laughed out loud so, it was so loud that I had to apologize to the people next to me. Never apologize. And it was for laughing. I know, but you know, other people are, I was at bungalows.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
And so it was like, you know, and you were talking about your prick to productivity. Productivity ratio, yeah. Okay, you explain it because you'll do it better.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
With all the discussion about men and the men in technology in Silicon Valley, what do you think... the tech world and in particular social media would look like if we had had... Women. If it had been run by women.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
What is something that you have lost that you would like to find or reclaim or recreate? And it could be a physical object, a place, or a part of your identity. Oh, it would have to be my dad.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky is hosted and executive produced by me, Monica Lewinsky. Production services by WTF Media Studios. Our theme song is by Ben Benjamin and our music supervisor is Scott Velasquez. Our story producer is Elna Baker and our senior producer is Megan Donis. For Wondery, Eliza Mills is the development producer. Our managing producer is Taylor Sniffen.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Nick Ryan is our senior managing producer. Senior producers are Candice Manriquez-Wren and Emily Feldbrake. And executive producers are Dave Easton, Erin O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louis.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Yeah. Well, one of the things that I admire so much about you is that you've just you have sort of a confidence and self-possession in a way. And I think the best example of that is what I think of as the toast story. Will you tell it?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
And thanks for joining us on Reclaiming. So let's get into it. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Audible. Visit audible.com slash reclaiming to find your next listen. Thank you to our sponsor, Reformation. Visit reformation.com to see why they're my go-to for stylish and sustainable fashion. Kara Swisher, welcome to Reclaim. Thank you. Thank you.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
I know. Yeah, yeah. That's your weakness. Yes, exactly, exactly. Well, you definitely, you have lots of superpowers. And I think one of the other things that's so interesting about you is that you're sort of this modern day Cassandra, right? you know, for what's happening in technology. I'm so sorry to be right. Yeah, exactly.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
But I think it was like in the 90s, you predicted sort of the digitization of media, right? You had a saying of something. Everything that can be digitized will be digitized. Yeah, exactly. And then you told Mark Zuckerberg that Facebook, right, that there was like Facebook could be used as a propaganda machine. Yes.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
He's playing a—what do they say? It's like chess on 12 levels?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
So we're in this what the fuck moment now. Can you give me two or three predictions of what you see coming down the pike now that Trump's president?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
For anyone who doesn't know you, can you give them context?
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
You know, what I sort of wonder just because— As you mentioned before when we were talking just briefly of I've done a fair amount of work in the anti-bullying space. Yeah. And so I'm so disheartened at this moment and at the same time feel like, okay, if the kind of work we can do helps one kid. Sure. Right? Mm-hmm.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
Very good parts of it. But mostly it's negative. Right. I mean, do you have thoughts yet about what we can do to preserve it, to bring back? Well, it didn't come back. You're saying bring back what? It was never good. Why? No, I think there was a sense—I think there was always the potential for— Community. Right.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
And so—and I also think not only community, but I think that there's, you know, there's a sense of empathy in a way that can be fostered by seeing and understanding other cultures, by hearing more stories. That's correct.
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
Kara Swisher
But it's rare, like the ice bucket challenge, I think, was something that, you know, for every one of those, there's 10 really terrible examples. One of the things I wanted to ask you about was around these early experiences you had in your family. And you wrote this really incredible article in 1989 for the Washington Post. And there's this quote from there.
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I think that the right way to handle a situation like that would have been to probably say it was, you know, nobody's business and to resign, you know, or to find a way to find a way of staying in office that was not lying and not throwing a young person who was just starting out in the world under the bus. And at the same time, I'm hearing myself say that. And it's like, yeah,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Epstein Files Debacle, and Trump Spars with Zelensky in Oval Office, with Emily Jashinsky and Red Scare Hosts | Ep. 1016
Okay, but we're also talking about the most powerful office in the world, you know? So I don't want to be naive either.
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#2743 RHOBH S1413 Part Two: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2743 RHOBH S1413 Part Two: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2743 RHOBH S1413 Part Two: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
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#2743 RHOBH S1413 Part Two: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2742 RHOBH S1413 Part One: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Watch What Crappens
#2742 RHOBH S1413 Part One: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2742 RHOBH S1413 Part One: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.
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#2742 RHOBH S1413 Part One: Caviar Taste on a Doritos Budget
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2735 RHOBH S1412 Stars and Gripes Forever
Yeah. Here comes one right now. At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2735 RHOBH S1412 Stars and Gripes Forever
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2735 RHOBH S1412 Stars and Gripes Forever
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2735 RHOBH S1412 Stars and Gripes Forever
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2726 RHOBH S1411 Part Two: Reba McEnTerror
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2726 RHOBH S1411 Part Two: Reba McEnTerror
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2726 RHOBH S1411 Part Two: Reba McEnTerror
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2726 RHOBH S1411 Part Two: Reba McEnTerror
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2725 RHOBH S1411 Part One: Reba McEnTerror
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2725 RHOBH S1411 Part One: Reba McEnTerror
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2725 RHOBH S1411 Part One: Reba McEnTerror
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2725 RHOBH S1411 Part One: Reba McEnTerror
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2751 RHOBH S1414 Part Two: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Watch What Crappens
#2751 RHOBH S1414 Part Two: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2751 RHOBH S1414 Part Two: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2751 RHOBH S1414 Part Two: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2750 RHOBH S1414 Part One: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Watch What Crappens
#2750 RHOBH S1414 Part One: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2750 RHOBH S1414 Part One: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2750 RHOBH S1414 Part One: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
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#2750 RHOBH S1414 Part One: Runway or Another I’m Gonna Get You Get You Get You Get You
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2749 Crappy Hour 3/3/35: Venita’s Does Timelines, Karen Huger Does Time
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2749 Crappy Hour 3/3/35: Venita’s Does Timelines, Karen Huger Does Time
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2749 Crappy Hour 3/3/35: Venita’s Does Timelines, Karen Huger Does Time
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2749 Crappy Hour 3/3/35: Venita’s Does Timelines, Karen Huger Does Time
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2748 Southern Hospitality S03E09: Kitty Cornered
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2748 Southern Hospitality S03E09: Kitty Cornered
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2748 Southern Hospitality S03E09: Kitty Cornered
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2748 Southern Hospitality S03E09: Kitty Cornered
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2741 Below Deck Down Under S03E04 Part Two: No Excuses, Brah
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2741 Below Deck Down Under S03E04 Part Two: No Excuses, Brah
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2741 Below Deck Down Under S03E04 Part Two: No Excuses, Brah
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2741 Below Deck Down Under S03E04 Part Two: No Excuses, Brah
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2740 Below Deck Down Under S03E04 Part One: No Excuses, Brah
Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky
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#2733 Below Deck Down Under S03E03: Sous You, Sous Me
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2733 Below Deck Down Under S03E03: Sous You, Sous Me
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2733 Below Deck Down Under S03E03: Sous You, Sous Me
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2733 Below Deck Down Under S03E03: Sous You, Sous Me
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2747 Below Deck Down Under S03E05: Leaky Blunders
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2747 Below Deck Down Under S03E05: Leaky Blunders
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2747 Below Deck Down Under S03E05: Leaky Blunders
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2747 Below Deck Down Under S03E05: Leaky Blunders
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2744 Summer House S09E03: UnDiplo-matic Relations
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2744 Summer House S09E03: UnDiplo-matic Relations
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2744 Summer House S09E03: UnDiplo-matic Relations
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2744 Summer House S09E03: UnDiplo-matic Relations
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2736 Summer House S09E02: Broken Hearts and Middle Parts
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Watch What Crappens
#2736 Summer House S09E02: Broken Hearts and Middle Parts
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2736 Summer House S09E02: Broken Hearts and Middle Parts
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2736 Summer House S09E02: Broken Hearts and Middle Parts
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
Watch What Crappens
#2727 Summer House S09E01: Taco Contract in the Oven
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2727 Summer House S09E01: Taco Contract in the Oven
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2727 Summer House S09E01: Taco Contract in the Oven
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2727 Summer House S09E01: Taco Contract in the Oven
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2753 Summer House S09E4 Part One: The Hannah That Rocks The Cradle
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2753 Summer House S09E4 Part One: The Hannah That Rocks The Cradle
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2753 Summer House S09E4 Part One: The Hannah That Rocks The Cradle
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2753 Summer House S09E4 Part One: The Hannah That Rocks The Cradle
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2752 Denise Richards and her Wild Things S0101-02:Rants and Raves
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2752 Denise Richards and her Wild Things S0101-02:Rants and Raves
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2752 Denise Richards and her Wild Things S0101-02:Rants and Raves
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2752 Denise Richards and her Wild Things S0101-02:Rants and Raves
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2729 2025 Golden Crappies Act One
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2729 2025 Golden Crappies Act One
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2729 2025 Golden Crappies Act One
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2729 2025 Golden Crappies Act One
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2723 Southern Hospitality S03E06: A Graceless Debut
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2723 Southern Hospitality S03E06: A Graceless Debut
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2723 Southern Hospitality S03E06: A Graceless Debut
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2723 Southern Hospitality S03E06: A Graceless Debut
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2746 RHOP S9E20 Reunion 3: Rent a Poor
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
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#2746 RHOP S9E20 Reunion 3: Rent a Poor
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
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#2746 RHOP S9E20 Reunion 3: Rent a Poor
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2746 RHOP S9E20 Reunion 3: Rent a Poor
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2745 Southern Charm S10E12 Garsh Expectations on Shudder Island
At 24, I lost my narrative, or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes, and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Watch What Crappens
#2745 Southern Charm S10E12 Garsh Expectations on Shudder Island
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of Reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2745 Southern Charm S10E12 Garsh Expectations on Shudder Island
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2745 Southern Charm S10E12 Garsh Expectations on Shudder Island
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.
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#2737 Southern Charm S10E11 Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)
At 24, I lost my narrative or rather it was stolen from me. And the Monica Lewinsky that my friends and family knew was usurped by false narratives, callous jokes and politics. I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again.
Watch What Crappens
#2737 Southern Charm S10E11 Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)
So I think listeners can expect me to be chatting with folks, both recognizable and unrecognizable names, about the way that people have navigated roads to triumph. My hope is that people will finish an episode of reclaiming and feel like they filled their tank up. They connected with the people that I'm talking to and leave with maybe some nuggets that help them feel a little more hopeful.
Watch What Crappens
#2737 Southern Charm S10E11 Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)
Follow Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Reclaiming early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.
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#2737 Southern Charm S10E11 Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)
I would define reclaiming as to take back what was yours. Something you possess is lost or stolen, and ultimately you triumph in finding it again. Listen to Reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky wherever you get your podcasts.