Subscribe to The Best Idea Yet here: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/Roscoe Rodda was in the fight of his life. His candy factory was right down the road from Milton Hershey’s—yes, THAT Hershey’s—and he needed to set himself apart. So Roscoe embraced a single holiday to get the competitive confectionery edge: Easter. Chocolate eggs, jellybeans… and a secret treat painstakingly sculpted behind closed doors: a marshmallow chick with inquisitive waxy black eyes. These chicks circulated in obscurity until a Navy engineer-turned- candymaker molded them into a squishy, sugary phenomenon. (Today, 1.5 billion Peeps are eaten worldwide, just during Easter alone.) Find out how Peeps went from secretive snack to Easter GOAT—and why some people love ‘em, some hate ‘em, but everyone loves exploding them in the microwave. Here’s why Peeps are the best idea yet.Subscribe to The Best Idea Yet for the untold origin stories of the products you’re obsessed with — and the bold risk takers who made them go viral.Episodes drop every Tuesday, listen here: https://wondery.com/links/the-best-idea-yet/—-----------------------------------------------------GET ON THE POD: Submit a shoutout or fact: https://tboypod.com/shoutouts FOR MORE NICK & JACK: Newsletter: https://tboypod.com/newsletter Connect with Nick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolas-martell/ Connect with Jack: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-crivici-kramer/ SOCIALS:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tboypod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tboypodYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@tboypod Anything else: https://tboypod.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is the Best Idea Yet podcast about?
Yeah, it is Nick and Jack here coming at you from the T-Boys studio. On our weekly show, The Best Idea Yet, we go deep on the most popular products of all time. And we recently did a whole story on the most important product of this moment, pizza. Because odds are, statistically speaking, this is the one weekend of the year you're indulging in Peeps yellow marshmallow candies.
We're looking at you. Now, since stock markets are closed today for Good Friday, Jack and I whipped up a treat for you. Literally. We're dropping the entire episode that we just did on Peeps. And then, after you listen to this episode, make sure to go to the show page of The Best Idea Yet to get new episodes every week. So follow The Best Idea Yet. In the meantime, here is the untold wild origin.
If you were a holiday, Jack, the holiday I think you would most identify with is Labor Day. Going with Labor Day. I'm intrigued. Why do you say this, Nick? Jack, I know you appreciate a short bathing suit to wear. I know you're proud of your thighs. I know you want to show those things off. You can do that. On a Labor Day beach. So you're just thinking about like the seasonality of Labor Day.
Yeah, yeah, kind of. Not the meaning of like valuing work. No, I'm talking superficially, Jack. You appreciate Tommy Bahamas. I think you have like three of the umbrellas. I have four of the chairs. Right. You like to bring people together at the beach. You're handing out coladas to everyone. I actually bring sliced limes for the Coronas to make the beach experience that much better.
Jack, as a holiday, you are joy, you are summer, you are happiness, you are Labor Day. I am so flattered with that labeling. I gotta say, I didn't put a ton of thought into your holiday. That's very Labor Day of you because, you know, it's kind of like you're taking a vacation from doing too much thinking over Labor Day. Yeah. All right. What holiday do you identify with? Thanksgiving Eve.
I really like to associate with Thanksgiving Eve. Does that mean you like going out to the bars until midnight with all your high school buddies? Well, you know, anticipation is often more fun than the event. And with Thanksgiving, it really is about getting people together before you have to do the real Thanksgiving, right? So, Jack, I identify most with Thanksgiving Eve.
You identify most with Labor Day. But it's not just people who associate with holidays. If you think about it, there are products associated with very particular holiday events. I'm thinking of one product in particular because... We're talking in this episode about a candy most often associated with Easter. Yes. Or the microwave. We're talking about Peeps. Wow.
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Chapter 2: Why are Peeps associated with Easter?
Thank you, Destiny's Child, for that one. Nick, tell the people, are you pro-peep or anti-peep? Well, Jack, as a podcast host, you know we've got to drive strong opinions on this show, right? Yeah, you either love it or you hate it. So for the sake of the comment section, I am pro-peep. Nick, I'll be honest, I've never eaten one. Like, they are that intimidating to me.
Peeps are a surprisingly polarizing product. Not just around the way they taste, but around who invented them in the first place. There is a mystery at the heart of this squishy marshmallow story. Because the heart of this whodunit lies in the secret back room of a candy company in Pennsylvania, Dutch country. Secret back room?
Sounds a little ominous, but don't worry, it's not hiding anything sinister. It is the source of the original hand-sculpted marshmallow chicks, complete with tiny wings and sugar coating. These chicks were so elegant, they took 27 hours to create a single batch. But Jack, 27 isn't the number that caught our eye, is it? The number that grabbed our attention is 1.5 billion.
That's the number of Peeps eaten worldwide just on Easter. Every brand is competing to grab your attention during Christmas and Thanksgiving. But for Easter, you got Peeps, you got Cadbury's, and that is it. This is a story about how Peeps transformed a simple family business into one of the largest manufacturers of marshmallows in the world.
And how a product people love to hate is the ultimate case study in collabs, pairing with surprises like Oreo, Dr. Pepper, and Katy Perry. All right, let's crack this sticky story open, Mac. You're going to need a dentist after this one, because Peeps is the best idea yet. From Wondery and T-Boy, I'm Nick Martel. And I'm Jack Kravici-Kramer. And this is the best idea yet.
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Have you ever walked down a street and suddenly just been hit with the smell of delicious food? I love that. Like growing up, going past Levan Bakery on the Upper West Side at like 4 a.m. on the way to hockey practice. They'd be mixing the dough with the chocolate chips. It would like hit you in the face. It was wonderful. You know, for me, Nick, Subway sandwiches doesn't get a lot of love.
Well, I'll tell you, the smell of their freshly baked bread, I absolutely love that smell. Well, in the 1920s, the sweetest smelling avenue in the world is Church Street of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. This street, it's actually home to the Lancaster Caramel Company, sending wafts of fresh butter and cream mingled with boiling sugar.
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Chapter 3: Who was Roscoe Rada and what was his contribution?
Chapter 4: What makes Peeps so polarizing?
And right now, Rada is in the fight of their lives. The Rada Candy Company was founded by Roscoe E. Rada, born in Michigan, the son of a copper miner. Now, miners aren't exactly known for their longevity. It's a dangerous line of work crushing rocks underground. So Roscoe, he chooses a profession that seems a little less grueling. making candy above ground.
Roscoe apprentices with some chocolatiers in Detroit, but he's successful enough that eventually he migrates east and starts his own sweets business on Church Street, right in Lancaster. But early on, he finds himself number two to the big guy in town, Hershey. After all, they're successful, and then there's, I named a town after myself, successful. Hershey, Pennsylvania, still a thing today.
So instead, Roscoe decides to make a different play. If Roscoe can't dethrone Hershey as the king of chocolate, maybe instead he can be the Earl of Easter. Now, we mentioned the Pennsylvania Dutch earlier, living nearby these candy companies. These folks are very observant Christians. For them, the highest holy day isn't Christmas. It's Easter. Yeah, like Santa who?
Well, Roscoe Rada looks at the community around him as potential customers and smells an opportunity to corner a specific market. Candy makers, including Roscoe, they've actually been making Easter candies for years, but Roscoe decides to lean way, way into the Easter holiday.
He wants to tailor his products not just to Christians, but specifically his German-descended, Easter-loving Christian neighbors. Roscoe actually starts crafting candies shaped like Germanic Easter symbols, ones that evoke spring, renewal, rebirth from the old country. Bunnies, eggs, and chicks. Turns out we can actually thank German immigrants for the Easter Bunny's existence.
It's part of a German legend about a hare called the Osterhase who lays colored eggs in the grass. As for the boiling and decorating of eggs for the springtime, that tradition predates Christianity itself. Egg painting was originally a pagan tradition around the spring equinox. So these traditions are millennia old.
And they've been merged between paganism and Christianity to create the Easter Bunny in 19th century central Pennsylvania. So if you're wondering what Easter eggs had to do with Jesus, you're right to think nothing. But hang on here. There's a tradition that goes back even further than the pagans. Two words, marshmallow. Marshmallow is a real plant that grows in salt marshes and on riverbanks.
Ancient Egyptians would use the sap from its roots to make candy and to soothe sore throats. Basically, this herb was the OG Ricola. And this same extract was used centuries later in France to make candy, the very first marshmallow candy as we know it in the mid-1800s.
But by the early 1900s, candy makers have mostly phased out the plant itself, and instead they're using its flavor just as inspiration. The days of marshmallow being made of marshmallow are sadly over. So when Roscoe Rada starts stepping up his Easter candy production, he's not wading through the wetlands in his high boots to forage for this mallow root.
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Chapter 5: How did Peeps become a marketing success?
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Imagine yourself in the shoes of Bob Bourne. It's 1952. You're a Navy veteran with a degree in engineering who served in World War II. Now you're working with your dad, Sam Bourne, the legend, at the company he started 30 years earlier. And you've just invested a chunk of change in acquiring a jelly bean company.
This jelly bean company, the Rada Candy Company, of course, makes more than just jelly beans. But the jelly bean tech is really what you're after. It's Rada's ultimate proprietary asset, their secret sauce. And since Rada's founder, Roscoe Rada, passed away, his family, they've been eager to sell. So you buy the company. Time to inspect your new property.
You stride confidently into Rada's Lancaster facilities, breathing in wafts of melting chocolate and spun sugar. Walking around the vast factory, you check out the equipment. The nozzles depositing sugar and gelatin into their little molds. The conveyor belts carrying trays of tiny jelly beans along the journey. The machinery clanks and whirs, but you don't hear any gears griping.
Chapter 6: What is the secret behind Peeps' production?
Everything seems clean and up to code. But then you notice a door toward the back of the warehouse space. What is behind that door, you wonder? Once inside, you almost can't believe your eyes. A wildly different kind of production, like you've stepped 50 years back in time.
No tidy rows of automated components, but crowded rows of women, 70 or 80 of them at once, all stooped over long tables, squeezing pastry bags by hand. Their forearm muscles strain as they push fat squiggles of marshmallow and uncooked egg whites onto trays. in the shape of baby chicks with little individually sculpted wings.
And when the chicks are finally set, the women patiently dust them with sugar, add little black eyes made of wax, and leave them to dry. Bright colors, puffy wings, awkwardly blotted eyeballs. They are not called this yet, but we would recognize them immediately. As peeps. How long do they have to sit like that? You ask a worker. How much time does this take? The woman squints at you.
She speaks German, like most of the immigrant workers here. But there's no mistaking her answer. 27 hours. Bob is blown away by this. Rana, this company he just acquired, they've been mass manufacturing candy since the 19-teens. So why are these women making marshmallow chicks by hand in some secret back room? It just does not make sense. Until he learns the story.
So it turns out these chicks are sort of an off-the-menu item. Unavailable in Radha's mail-order catalog, you can only get them for a limited time at Radha's physical candy shop. We're talking limited edition, once-a-year items, sold to loyal customers only. If you know, you know. They're basically the McRib of candy. But some customers don't eat them at all.
They're using these poultry-shaped mini marshmallow sculptures to decorate with at Easter, like ornaments. You did mention earlier they were made with uncooked egg whites. Like maybe not eating them is actually a pretty good thing. Whatever they're for. Bob Bourne looks at these chicks and he sees commercial appeal. He's going with his gut on this.
But if you've got enough experience in an industry, we believe a gut is just as good as data. He even knows what he will call them. Peeps. Peeps. But Bob knows there's one massive problem here. You can't build a business based on a bite-sized treat that takes 27 hours to make by hand.
So Bob gets to work solving the puzzle of mass producing these peeps, which he hopes will shrink down that production timeline. First, he's going to update the Peeps recipe. Ditch the raw egg whites and the risk of food poisoning. The new Peeps, they're going to be made with just five things. Sugar, corn syrup, gelatin, air, and food coloring. Oh, and according to the Just Born company, love.
I love that. Next step, build the right machinery. And here, Bob's scientific expertise comes into play. Now, we mentioned Bob has an engineering degree. He actually loves building and he loves inventing. And so for the next nine months, Bob basically just tinkers and ponders and draws up some blueprints for an entirely new machine just for these marshmallows.
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Chapter 7: How did Just Born acquire Rada Candy Company?
No, those are good numbers, Jack. And it happens because Bob decided to make a play for the other seasons. So in a way, Peeps is kind of getting the best of both worlds here. They're showing up to celebrate every holiday with us. And there's one season, Easter, that they basically own. In fact, more than half of American consumers see Peeps as the first sign of spring. Can you believe that?
Forget groundhogs. Peeps, they don't need a shadow. Peeps have reached peak seasonality. They're more than sugar. They're a symbol. And products that are symbols have longevity. Once they're here, they're here to stay. And that is not a joke about these marshmallows being physically indestructible.
Peep's strategy and its success stay virtually unchanged for over seven decades, though they do lose their wings in 1955. The depositor machine doesn't do wings very well. Even the parent company Just Born is still family-owned and operated today right out of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. When company founder Sam Born dies in 1959, his son Bob takes over as president.
He'll stay in charge until the 90s and then pass the torch to his son, Ross. That's a huge deal. Because according to the small business group score, only 12% of family businesses make it past the third generation. So they're doing pretty well. If you're running a family business, you know that is not easy. Bob himself lives until he's almost 100 years old. He only just passed away in 2023.
Maybe peeps have long-lasting health benefits we don't know about, Jack. Well, I don't think we can legally suggest that, Nick. No, we just did. So with Peeps, you have this cute, classic marshmallow treat with a great story, invented by one candy maker, acquired and perfected by a second candy maker, and then enjoyed and scaled throughout the world.
But none of that answers the biggest question that we have about these chicks. How exactly do they go from candy to cult? The morning is still, the fog clinging to the field of battle. Two brave contestants stand at attention as squires prepare the jousting grounds. Sir Yellow casts a wary glance at his foe, Sir Pink, and grips his lance. Which one will prove the more pure of heart?
Which brave knight will emerge victorious from... The Microwave. Okay, these aren't real nights we're talking about. It's a pastime known as peep jousting that gets popularized on YouTube. Each peep combatant is armed with a toothpick and sent into a 30-second battle to the death in the microwave.
As the heat crakes up, the peeps swell and warp, and whichever one's toothpick pierces the other one's first wins the battle. Although sometimes the winner is just the peep that, you know, ends up the least melted. Peep jousting becomes a viral craze around the year 2006. And people are still doing this almost 20 years later today. Peep joust has its own hashtag on TikTok with millions of views.
Like lip sync challenges or Mr. Beast, peeps owes their success to the web. Peeps blow up online. Then this ancient company starts earning organic press offline. This isn't just us speculating. The rise of the internet also saw a major rise in peep press coverage and brand awareness. This actually leads to a Just Born branding decision that is going to have some really big implications.
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Chapter 8: What is the story behind the creation of the first Peeps?
People run science experiments. They invent oddball peep recipes. And of course, do arts and crafts with peeps. And that's why this is such an incredible business benefit. About one third of all peeps are used not for eating, but for decorations and arts and crafts. Like the Washington Post Peep Diorama Contest that's been running on and off since 2006. Called the Peep Show. Naturally.
That's good, by the way. Last year's entrance, they included Peep Jeopardy, I see Peepenheimer Jack, and there is a multi-layered peep-ception. A peep within a peep within another peep. This marshmallow art, it really brings us full circle. It brings us back to when Rada Candy Company's handmade peeps were used as Easter decorations for show, not food.
Well, I'm glad you brought that up, Jack, because it brings us to an interesting wrinkle in the entire story. When Just Born bought the Radda brand, we mentioned that they kept the Radda name on all the Peeps packages. They had the option to kill the old brand name, but they kept it instead. After all, Radda was already established as a brand that makes Easter products. So why change it?
Well, here's the reason, Jack. According to some RADA family members, they really, really, really don't like the family name being associated with these marshmallow chicks. That's right. It turns out the original creators of Peeps hate Peeps. It's 2012, and a blogger named Roberta Kyle hits publish on a pleasant little article about Peeps.
It wouldn't be Easter without Peeps, she writes, and turns in 700 words about Peeps' history, the Just Bone Company, their weirdly squishy texture. She even includes a recipe for smeeps, which are s'mores but with Peeps instead of regular marshmallows, which sounds lovely. But then Roberta starts going through the reader comments. and her stomach drops.
One of Roscoe Rada's own grandchildren has read her piece. And Nick, you want to read what Roscoe's granddaughter writes here? I want everyone to know that my grandfather never made a peep. Naturally, Roberta is confused. I mean, I'm confused, Jack. Like, what about that whole mysterious back room you built up at the Rada factory?
Okay, technically, Roscoe himself had passed away years before Bob Bourne opened the door to that back room. So maybe the peeps were started by someone else at the company after his death. All right, Jack, that's a perfectly reasonable explanation, except that Roscoe's granddaughter isn't done spilling the jelly beans yet, is she, man? No, she isn't.
A couple days later, she writes into a different blog. This woman has a lot of time on her hands. This blog is a New Hampshire history site called Cow Hampshire. Great name. And she describes how excited she had been as a little girl to see a box of Peeps with her family's name on it. That is, until her father, one of Roscoe Rada's sons, saw the package and fumed.
My father never made that quality of candy. This is the mystery we teased at the top of the show. The one that got us intrigued to pursue the True Peeps creator in the first place. A lot of times in business, we hear about someone who wants credit for their achievement, but doesn't get it. But this is the opposite. The Rada family got the credit for Peeps, but they don't want it.
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