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Eventually, you were like, yeah, we worked hard on it.

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Yeah, exactly. Did she blame you for the debacle? Did she say you should have had your ducks in a row? She blamed us.

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I do the old-fashioned crazy, like if I want to go somewhere.

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Who? Brad. Well, sort of. I mean, he's a guy. But I book my own. If I need to drive to Dallas, I can figure that out. Yeah, I mean.

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Critic. Yeah, critic. I was like, really? He's a critic. Like Cisco. What was it? Cisco and Ebert.

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Could have been in worse places than partying with nuns.

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You know, that's where you wound up. Yeah.

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They film outside of Dallas, I think. Yeah, yeah.

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You became a victim of your own success. Yeah.

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We're actually doing another film with Andrew. Are you ready to announce anything? Yeah. Well, the press has been released, but Randy Travis, the country music singer, we're doing his story.

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Yeah. So Andrew's going to direct it, and he's writing the script right now.

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But I love the technique, though, of going back and then referencing that through... Which we did the blind the same way. But I think that it's interesting that... That's showing how these cultures are coming together. I mean, it's such a big part of the Old Testament that's kind of missed, that you don't see until you get to the New Testament.

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I was thinking of Luke 24, on the road to Emmaus, when Jesus had been resurrected, and he sees the disciples, two of the disciples, and they're just distraught over what happened. And he's like, hey, what are you guys talking about? And they're like, are you the only guy who does not know what's happened in the last three days?

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And they say this weird thing that's so weird if you don't catch it, but they said that this guy named Jesus essentially was, that we'd hoped would be the hope of Israel. But he's dead. He's been dead for three days. But he wasn't dead. But they thought he was dead. But in their mind, he was going to be the hope of Israel.

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But if you read through the rest of the discourse, what he's telling them is that the Messiah is going to be the Messiah for all the nations, not just Israel. Everybody would be included in Samaritans, Gentiles. Everybody was going to be included in Israel.

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And you don't really, you see it in the Old Testament when you go back and read it through the lens of Jesus, but they didn't understand that until he opened their eyes to the scriptures. Yeah. So I think it's beautiful. There was a philosopher named Kierkegaard that said we live life forward, like we're living it forward, but we interpret it by looking back. Hindsight's 20-20.

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And so you look at your life, you don't fully understand what's going on and why you, like when you first got married, for example, I don't know. When I married Jill, I had no clue what I was getting into. No. Well, I thought I did. You thought you did.

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Yeah. And then you look back at, you know, I've been married almost 25 years now and I'm like, okay, I understand it a whole lot more now looking back on it. And I think that that is also how the scriptures laid out as well, that you, you, we live it forward, but we really can't understand that. Four, we understand by looking back and you see this beautiful story that just is almost like seamless.

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Yeah. And it expands the bigness of what Jesus accomplished. It is about my own personal salvation and my own personal liberation from sin and a hope of eternal life even beyond this world. But there's also a big, huge collective salvation that Christ has, that he accomplished on the cross.

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I gave him like a Zerp. You know what a Zerp is? A Zerp. A Zerp. You take your two fingers and you get them in the side, like the rib cage. It used to be in my fat side, but now that I'm losing all this weight, now you actually got to... And I've got the camera on my cell phone, and I'm trying to record the whole thing so I can surprise him.

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Yeah, there's a healthcare ministry. Yeah.

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And when you mentioned the word Pharisee, that was a good thing. Yeah. We interpret that backwards now. Like, that's horrible. But if you were a Pharisee and... The day of Jesus, that was a place of prestige and respect and honor.

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Yeah, when Jesus says, you Pharisees, you brood of vipers, the brood of vipers is the insult. The Pharisees is the identification of who he's talking to. Now we say, you Pharisee, and we associate it with brood of vipers. But think about those days. I mean, that was... Just the opposite. Those were the gurus. Those were the religious gurus. You wanted that guy on your team.

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They didn't want to yield their heart, which I think is the main point of the text in John 4. Actually, I just did this this week, so this hits home. When the storm hit North Carolina, we didn't have water. for eight weeks. Like it washed out 20-something miles of pipes that brought water into Asheville area. So nobody had water.

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And we had a swimming pool full of water, but obviously you couldn't drink it because it was like

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disgusting but we would go out there every day and we'd fill up five gallon buckets of that water and then we'd use that to flush the toilet we'd use it to we'd have to boil it and it was like I mean it was a process I mean it was like but the we had to keep going back to the source and go through this whole process of making this water where we could actually live off of it well I decided like as soon as I when the storm was over and everybody was back at it I said you know what's never going to happen to me again

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I'm digging a well. And so I got a permit.

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I live in the middle of town and everybody's like, what are you doing? Like, I mean, I'm getting phone calls. What's that big rig? I got a huge rig in my yard. We're digging a well. So I dug a well this week. And I'm not ever going to be without water again. I'm going to get a generator too. But they don't catch me. But this is like the setting here in John 4 because the girl, the Samaritan woman,

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She has to go to this place to get water all the time. And you just imagine how exhausting that is to go fill up and then it gets low, go back, fill up. It gets low throughout the week. It's a continual thing. So the question about where do we worship is not disassociated with where she's at.

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Because what she's saying is, where do we worship is, where's the spiritual well that I go to get filled up? For you guys, it's in Jerusalem at the temple. We Samaritans, our spiritual well is up there on the mountain. So Jesus, where is the real spiritual well to get filled up? And so the call here is that he says if, If anyone drinks the water that I give him, will never be thirsty again.

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The water I will give him will become, so it's progressive language, will become in him water. a well, a spring of water welling up to eternal life. And so I think about that as almost like the big picture of what God's doing in John 4. It is all kinds of people, but even more than that, he's saving all kinds of people.

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But now worship is going to actually take place in the inner part of your soul, and that will be the source of life. It'll never run dry. He's going to live in human beings now.

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Which is the point of the book of Hebrews. If you think about the Hebrew writers making the case that you got to keep going back between the holy of holies year after year, the priest has got to atone for the sins of the people year after year, but not with Jesus. One sacrifice for all time.

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Would you rather name it All Spring Road?

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Don't give a gift and start crying about it. I'm almost tempted to put up a picture of me and Al in our pajamas when we both walked in the same room with the same exact cozy earth pajama set on. Because I want to put the caption, who wore it better? Al, who would you say wore it better?

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Which is why you think about the, if someone's not receptive, you, I mean, I tell our church this all the time, like, you don't have to,

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manufacture some type of evangelistic effort like you really don't have to do that and what will happen if you take that on is you'll spend a lot of time like trying to chase people down i don't really see that that's i mean it seems like this this phrase the the harvest is never the problem yeah but i found that to be true as as our ministry has been led by the holy spirit

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I've never found lacking people who want to see a different life, people who want to taste the kingdom. I've never seen, in my entire life, to the degree that the ministry I'm involved in is spirit-led and spirit-filled, I've seen the harvest be plentiful. The problem's always on the worker side because I want to contain it. I'd rather not be spirit-filled.

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I'd rather just, I don't want to yield my life. But when I do yield my life, that the harvest comes. And I think it's what you were talking about.

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That's good for you, though. There's the old story of Francis Schaeffer. He... If you've listened to this podcast or the other one that I do, you know I love Francis Schaefer. But he was an odd-looking guy. You know, he had, like, back in the 70s, had the big goatee and the scraggly hair. But he was one of the— He was kind of working our lip before it was cool. Yeah, before it was cool.

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But he was probably one of the most prolific— theologians of the late 70s, early 80s. Very well known and very well respected his work. I mean, very influential in the church. And he comes over here to do an event at a church that also had a homeless ministry. And so when he showed up, they thought he was homeless.

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And so he actually stayed the night on a cot in the homeless shelter, and he was the keynote speaker for the event the next day. That's basically what happened to me. You know what? He wrote a book after that. I think he wrote a book after that called No Little People. I thought that was a pretty good title.

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So where are you at in the story? Passion week. I mean, how many seasons are there total? I think it's going to be seven. It's going to be seven. So this is the passion week. This will be a big one.

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Does it go through the crucifixion of Jesus or up to the crucifixion, but not the actual? I don't know.

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I remember where it was at. Yeah, it was nice. Yeah, Pecan Grove. You know, I don't remember that kind of stuff. Was that the first wedding you'd ever done was his? No. I've done a few, which I'm terrible at it, and I'm retired, so don't get any ideas. But you think you're retired, and then the last one I did was Austin and Lily, which they filmed that for my treasure hunt.

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I just don't think I'm very good at that.

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I appreciate it. I don't like the pressure of those kind of events.

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You're kind of the umpire. Yeah. If you're noticed, there's a problem. That's right. You did it wrong. And so nobody cares. Yeah. The only thing that can happen is you screw this whole thing up. That's it. And they talk about it for years.

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And I'm glad I did it. Well, the reason I don't mind bringing this up, and we've said it, but I wanted to read it. I think I've read this passage more in the last few podcasts ever. But, you know, in Revelation 21,

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When he saw a new heaven and new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, there was no longer any sea, which was kind of symbolic to chaos and opposition and resistance to the kingdom of God. But he said, I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride, beautifully dressed for her husband. So it's not like...

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We're not just saying, oh, he did his first sign at a wedding and he chose his transformational power, which was obviously a picture of things can change for the better. There's the rejoicing and just being a part of God's family. I mean, I think there is something here. Verse 4 then says, it says, I heard a loud voice from the throne saying,

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Now the dwelling of God is with men and he will live with them. They will be his people and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There'll be no more death, no more mourning, crying or pain for the old order of things has passed away. And he said, look, I am making everything new. Verse five, which goes, I think, into the John two verse.

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And then the next section that we're going to get into, he actually addresses in verse 22 of Revelation 21 when it says, I did not see a temple in the city because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine up for the glory of God, which goes back to what we talked about last podcast.

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The glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. I mean, I just think it's a beautiful picture.

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Lisa still laughs at my jokes. But would you agree with that? I agree. I have seen hundreds of women, good-looking women.

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Which is kind of... debatable because the other three gospels have that later in the story synoptic gospel yeah guys they have that way later so most people that i've read they're like well it must have happened twice no i mean maybe it was a thing i don't think so i mean maybe but i think john just chose to tell the story here that's my opinion but it could be right or wrong

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I mean, everyone is made by God, so I don't want to. But I'm just saying it's shocking. And I'm like, really? Yeah. Because it's like almost uncomfortable. And then Sal's like, come here, darling. Oh, he's just like, and his wife is like, well, because I brought that up to her one time. She actually, yeah. She's like, he's irresistible. Yeah, that's what she says. I can't blame those poor women.

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So, well, I use illustrations cause I got to think about those like, but I never listened to them. Yeah. Uh, When I'm Bible studying or listening to people, like every time they start talking about illustration, I immediately go, because I'm thinking I'll insert my own. I don't ever use other people's illustrations unless, you know, it was just fantastic.

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You would have to use other people's. I tend to only have one. Right. So, which is different. I mean, they, y'all asked me to speak on Ephesians. Yeah, I'm excited. Well, but it's a, it's a, I've already given that, Willie asked me to speak somewhere on Ephesians because they were doing... This was like last year. So I was like, all right, yeah, I have that.

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Yeah, he says in verse 4 of 3, in reading this, you'll be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ.

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Yeah, I think it's crazy when you go back to the beginning and try to make sense of it all. I don't know where I read this the other day, but I read something and I thought, huh. He's like, you know, the guy was preaching and he was saying, we've always taught in our churches that, well, the world was made perfect, and then we screwed up,

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And he was kind of being sarcastic, and he was like, well, now God's like, well, I made a mistake. How am I going to fix this? But I was kind of playing along, and I was like, yeah, I've thought this before. And he said something that I'd never thought about. He's like, just because God made it good when he said, this is good, this is good, this is good. Oh, humans, very good.

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He's like, it wasn't complete though. He had in mind, it wasn't like God was surprised. We tend to dumb down God to our level and he's like, it wasn't complete or perfect. There was a process he knew all along. You get that especially from John here because he's going back to the beginning, you know, where it would be more complete.

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It would be what God had in mind from the beginning because if it's an eternal being, he's not waiting around. I mean, he's using all this time speech for us because we are mortal. But it was a subtle thought, but I thought, well, that makes more sense. Yeah. that, okay, other beings, because you know you have the evil one there or an evil presence. So you have man's rebellion.

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And to go to Kansas City area after the Super Bowl loss.

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But then in Genesis 6, it kind of gets crazy because then there's other celestial beings involved who are not imaging God. And then Genesis 11, we have this... kind of rebellion of human beings not wanting to do what God wants them to do. And so then all the nations are formed with all the languages.

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And just those three rebellions, if you kind of put them in order, kind of the human celestial beings and then the nations, which all those nations are, started bowing down to other gods, which comes back to the Genesis 6, these other celestial beings.

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And then when you look to see what happened when Jesus gets here, and when he made that statement in Matthew 28, all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me. You know, therefore, go make disciples of all nations. And then the Mark says, whoever believes is baptized will be saved, whatever.

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But it kind of hit me in that moment when I was listening that I was like, this was the plan all along. But God, you know, in creating us with decisions and choices and just kind of lets it play out, you know? And I just think it was more... It was more powerful and planned than we kind of think about, but it's just hard for us to see it as just inserted in the year 2025.

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Tell us about Last Breath. It's an incredible story, which is why I really liked it. I tend to watch true story movies. And I thought it was worth the price of admissions.

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No, I think the best advice I ever got, because we had my dad, who is as great a man as he's been early on in our life. Not always the best in the marriage advice. He did not give very good marriage advice. And I've told this before. We laugh at it now, but he's like... He had his three points, you know. Does she believe it? Actually, I'm just got to be honest.

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His number one thing was, can she cook? Can she cook? Does she carry her Bible? Because that used to bother me. I thought, shouldn't the Bible come before the spoons? Right, exactly. Anyway, and will she pick your ducks? Well, my wife... She didn't have but one of those for the first 10 years I knew her. She had the Bible. She couldn't boil an egg.

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And she said, look, I will never pick your doubts. Because I tried it. I was like, well, so much for that advice. Terrible advice. But the best advice I did get was,

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was when I was reading that Ephesians 5, which most people go there, because you brought up that Ephesians, talking about that mystery, which he later on, to your point, said that the mystery was that Jews and Gentiles, these nations, could come back together under Christ. Well, then he does the same thing in marriage. He goes to the roles of,

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But I always looked at it like, well, let's define that role. But somebody told, maybe it was Carl who did our premarital counseling. He's like, you both get to be like Jesus in the marriage, which actually Ephesians says. Like Christ loved the church. Philippians 2 says the same thing. Yeah, but then he gets down to the end and he says in verse 32, I think that's 32. This is a profound mystery.

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It brings this mystery, just like you do with the nations, all people come together. But I'm talking about Christ and the church, kind of to go back to what we're talking about, which is a beautiful picture, but it does put it in priority because I thought, because all the time I teach on we're in Christ, we're living in a world, in a world, and I'll say we're part of a kingdom that

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among other kingdoms. But I never used that in marriage, but I thought of that a while ago. I thought, but we actually are living in a marriage within a marriage in Christ. That was his point there. And I think that's a really good way to look at it because his whole point that we agree on was getting to know Jesus better. And I think that's the best thing you can do in your marriage.

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Well, and their temple life was more, everything was there. It's like their politics, their culture, their money, if they make money. I mean, it's like. He had been there, but they just turned it into.

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Well, in their defense, that would be hard because he's basically saying, I'm the temple. Yeah. And you're a human from Nazareth. That'd be a hard sell.

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I'm going to have to push back there. Uh-oh. Yep. Let me hear this. I should have said this while Cy was here. So I've traveled with, obviously, all my family members all over the world. What I've found fascinating, this is how many wonders of the world? Seven. There's seven. Well, here's number eight. Seven ancient wonders.

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So yesterday, I go to the store in my pajamas. I come home and Missy's like, why would you go to the store in your pajamas? And I said, I wanted to be comfortable. I was wearing Cozy Earth, which you gave me for Christmas. That's right.

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But trust me, the transition got real rocky. Well, and he makes all things new and he can repair. And we've seen all these great transformations. But when you start comparing our marriages to our marriage with Jesus, I mean, he's way more graceful.

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Forgiving. And he doesn't even have expectations that are unreasonable in our marriages. I mean, there are clauses that he offers that are like, you don't have to stay together. I mean, then use situations and different things. Right. But even he himself, he still died for all that. He's still welcome. It's like his grace is so much greater and larger.

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And I think you hit on something that's right. I think people, once they make that decision, which whether they say they did or not, they'll say, well, I just feel like I don't love them anymore. What you're saying is you've decided based on what's happened. Right. You're out. But it's all camouflaged.

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That's right. It's camouflaged around that. But it's always, it goes back, when you brought up the evil one, I think that was a good analogy. Because what was in the first marriage, husband and wife, It was the possibility that you're missing out. It was curiosity, really, was the temptation. He said, don't do it, but you were curious. It's all these little subtle things we never talk about.

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They saw that it was pleasing for... To the eye, and it was good for food. Gaining wisdom. Gaining wisdom. I mean, it's just like you get all your little points. Well, that's never left, people. And as Phil, one good advice he used to say was, don't ever think the grass is greener on the other side of the yard because it's meaner. You know, he used to say that, which was kind of corny.

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It's not greener, it's meaner. Yeah, I thought. That's a good idea to think, because that's what we tend to think. Oh, if I change location. How many people move? I mean, they do it from churches. They have a falling out, and they're like, well, I'm leaving. Well, they go down, and seven years later, guess what? The same thing happened. They're leaving again.

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Yeah. You know? And that's the fertilizer. That's what makes it green. I think that's a spectacular illustration. Yeah. It's more. But that is. It's that little game. I think goes on because we see that with people that we've worked with. I've seen people, I try to talk them out of it. I'm like, look, there's, because you kind of hear the situation and like, look, marriage is tough.

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Things happen, circumstances. This is not, I mean, I say this all the time. My wife and I, to not have set a better foundation. And oh my goodness, it's just been a struggle. Because I think that's the way it's just the nature of living with another human being.

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Well, I'm thankful for them now. I'm thankful for the struggles. Because it, boy, it's something I can galvanize. And I want to say this. I mean, my wife has been a superstar with our situation with our parents. But I know part of her is doing that for me because it's a stressful situation.

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We've talked about, you know, our parents are just not doing good, and it can be very difficult and stressful. But, boy, she has cooked so many meals. I mean, she's at the top of the list. And I noticed something that she's – which has been kind of crazy. This is kind of personal, but – Because Phil has raked her over the coals the last 35 years on multiple occasions.

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Now, he didn't really mean anything by it because my dad, everybody.

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He does, but he's hurt her feelings multiple times. She's cried on the way from their house. I cannot believe he said that to me. I was like, babe. I tried to take up for him, but that compounds the problem. Are you endorsing this behavior? No. But one thing she's been doing is, Which was, first she told me she did this, but it was kind of touching. She cooked the meal for him.

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Because now, since Phil likes her cooking so much, you can tell she's kind of moved up the batting order. Because as soon as she walks in, he gets up and is looking for a plate. He's like, okay, that's what we got today. Okay. So she said, well, the first time I left, she said, I thought, you know, Phil's never told me he loves me, and I'm fine with that because he's just not that way.

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She said, but I thought, he's just not doing well. And so she came up there and kind of side-hugged him and said, I love you, Phil. And she said, I did that a couple times, and about the third time, he said, I love you too. And I was like, he did? Yeah. It's a miracle. But so she said last night, she said, he does that every time now, whether I say it or not.

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And I said, well, babe, you have worked a wonder in that man's life. But it told me that it was in there because he's married to Christ. It's just behind the rough exterior.

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Well, exactly, and we've talked about Christ, but look, there are worldly marriages that work. They don't even know Christ, and I use that for an example because they just have an arrangement. Because really, this unmet expectations is really a big thing. Huge. And I see people. They basically have a business arrangement in their marriage, and they get along.

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But if you want something that will impact the world the way God set this up, well, you get a dynamic Christ-centered marriage, and you have a lot of answers to give people. Yes, exactly right. Yeah.

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Oh, you've planted the seed. Missy's proven it's possible. So I'm saying stay out.

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Well, I had already signed it. I signed it.

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But it's engraved. Yeah. Did Phil blow it? No. No. No. I mean, for $2,900, I was just going to check it and make sure. There's no gold in it. No gold.

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But I'm going to... There's a couple little things you can do just to... So we're getting a duck call upgrade. You can get it... Well, to make it a little more... What happens is it goes through the process, they're tuned, but they sit there. And so you return it to its original form, and once you do that, it never goes away.

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I said I wouldn't forget that. I put the little gospel diagram. Perfect. And I put Matthew 19, 26, which is not possible with man, but with God, all things are possible.

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I do, but I think they're already sold out, so I'll see you when I see you.

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You know what's funny is you were in Kansas City, and I'm fixing to go to Philadelphia. Oh, really? My crowd will be a little more excited. Are you going to say something about the game? Well, I guess.

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We have jokingly said that Teresa Lee, who had worked as a model, among other things. I mean, she's like six foot tall, blonde hair. Beautiful. Beautiful. Very intelligent. And so you look at Si, you look at Teresa, and you say, there's the eighth wonder of the world. Maybe it makes up. Let me give you the ninth wonder of the world is that I mean, Si's married happily. Been married for what?

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I guess I said that. What's funny is these things are planned way in advance. Right, right. Who knew? So maybe there was something.

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Cosmic. That is interesting. But I'm glad I got to go where they won. But you know what was crazy is when they won, they actually just started tearing up stuff and going crazy. So, you know, be careful what you wish for.

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But we just did Jesus turning the water into wine. And even though that symbolizes our marriage to Christ, new beginnings, new creations, if you drink too much wine at a game, you start tearing stuff up. That's a good point. So there you go.

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Yeah, I mean, the more I read the Bible, the less I believe in coincidences, random encounters, and accidents, and anything in the Bible. It seems to be linked together.

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Almost 50 years now. Almost 50 years. I am shocked at the amount of women who love Si.

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It's weird you bring this story up because one of the biggest arguments that I've ever had with my wife is when my oldest son was going to get married, and they sent a text with the date. And I said, nope. And Missy snapped her head at me. She's like, you don't have anything going on. I said, that's the LSU-Alabama game. So it wasn't that year, obviously, because they'd been married longer.

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Like, uncomfortably, when I'm in public with him... I have seen women come up and kiss Psy on the cheek. And he'll bring up his wife, but there's something about Psy that they don't feel awkward, creepy, or threatened. They love Psy.

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And she was like, this is your son. You know how Missy can be. She started the speech. Well, I'm already typing. I was like, that's the LSU-Alabama game. No one will come. And my oldest son should know this. I wasn't selfishly saying that. You were saying the people. I'm back into the argument here. What has it been? Eight years later. I was like, they're not going to come.

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Or they're going to be distracted. Why would you want to do that? And so I put that down, and then there was no argument. They put another date, which I looked up the LSU schedule, and it was during the bye week. And I thought, now we're talking.

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Global warming, but they're ice skating in New Orleans in the streets. Yeah, I don't know. They're literally ice skating on Canal Street. I saw a video of that this morning. I was like, you know things are cold when there's ice skating from the packed snow in downtown New Orleans in the French Quarter. I mean, it's just insane.

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Well, they're saying this is one of the coldest Januaries on record.

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That's when you feel good about your decision not to go this morning. You're like, it's a gamble.

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Well, it's the end of the day. I heard someone say this one time a while back, and I used to agree with this statement, then I disagreed with it, and now I agree with it again. And

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I have flip-flopped. Okay. I've wrongly diagnosed where we were at culturally with a lot of the progression of what we went into the last probably eight years. But the phrase was this. It's all about the money. And then I was like, I don't know. I think these people, they're about the ideology. They don't care about the money. But now I'm here to tell you that it's all about the money.

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Well, you know what? Willie says, he says, no, you're not. You're half Robertson. I become a Dasher. My last name's Dasher. And he's like, you're half Robertson. I'm like, well, you're actually a half Robertson, too.

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That's right. Don't give a gift and start crying about it. I'm almost tempted to put up a picture of me and Al in our pajamas when we both walked in the same room with the same exact cozy earth pajama set on. Because I want to put the caption, who wore it better? Al, who would you say wore it better?

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I would forego my ban on matching pajamas only if it's Cozy Earth, because Cozy Earth really does have the softest, most breathable pajamas and bedding for that matter. We got the sheets as well that you'll ever own. I'm telling you, though, the bamboo sheets have it's an absolute game changer. I promise you I'm using these sheets myself.

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Well, probably more familiar to you is you are accompanied by a lot more Californians around you in Nashville. There are so many moving into that area. So it's not truly 100% Southern anymore. But talking about that Tom Sawyer Island, I saw your backyard. You're doing a pretty good job making one of those.

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Well, when you're a true Southerner, you have to build large glass windows so you can enjoy all of that from inside. Yes. Keep yourself safe and cool. Yeah.

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I think we would be investing in a silencer.

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They're usually not flattering. Well, I was just going to say that.

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Your worst physical attribute will be your new nickname.

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Oh, well, I think I was surprised when he actually said my name out loud because I'm not sure he's ever called me anything before. Anything complimentary before, you know, either Jace's woman or, oh, yeah, your woman who doesn't cook or whatever. But now it's like. Oh, no. He only said it once.

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Oh, yes. Yeah, he only did that. He did that once.

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Well, I've been telling him I love him because we've never had that kind of relationship before, you know, but because he's just been, it's a different feel right now and has been the last few weeks. Yes, and he's very patient and kind and appreciative. And so when he sees me, he's just, he comes towards me because he knows I'm probably bringing him some food.

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That's the main thing. He likes the food, the good food. But I've just been telling him like getting past that awkwardness because I want him to know I love him. And so I've been telling him that. And one time he looked up, he said, Missy, and I turned around, he said, I love you too. I was like, okay, see you later.

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Are you really trying to convince the audience that talking more is difficult for you? No. No.

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And you never looked back. Never looked back.

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But not because of fame, but for a different reason.

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Well, you're realizing he's in the middle of trauma with his wife, and you're distracting him trying to get him to explain the definition of good versus better. Like, all to make you understand more, his wife is in utter pain.

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Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Well, there's OK. Here's another little argument is not argument, but different perspective. When you came to tell me something last night after your middle son, Cole, called you.

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You just gave me chills when you said I just at the moment, I just shared everything to a bunch of strangers. It's amazing.

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I mean, I feel like this is a bit of a trend because the last three times I've been here, Zach has conveniently not been here. So is it something personal?

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After he called you and you walked in and you said, well, I have some news. You saw you said and I thought, is it good or bad? And then I still think we had different perspective on it. But I think it's fantastic news. So you want to share that?

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Oh, wow. That somebody was me. So I'm the one who talked. I was contacted by the crews.

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They were really awesome. It was just, you know, the dynasty was insane during that time. And look, we wound up baptizing 300 people.

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These are the kind of things he brings out. What is the question going to be?

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I think it's a huge honor because we don't know her and her family as much as say we did Brighton because Brighton grew up with Reed. So this has already been feeling a little bit different, you know. So for Emmalyn and Cole to make this decision together to include our family in her wedding in such a profound way, I think it's a huge honor. So I'm excited about it.

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I was thinking we would just be a guest and come in. spiffily dressed, you know, and now we have a responsibility.

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Y'all wouldn't let me talk. I wanted to tell you that part of it, but I couldn't get a word in edgewise.

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I came up with a word that was so.

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You would have got it. You wouldn't let me talk. I mean, but, yeah, he wants to come duck hunting. I did tell him this. You told us that. I want to come duck hunting with you guys, and I want to eat some soul food, which I had to get him to define soul food. Because I say, how deep do you want to go on the soul food?

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Yeah, he's good with that level. What he's not good with is the hog head cheese or anything like that that Granny used to eat. That was too far for him.

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Well, what's funny is my buddy just got back from New Orleans, and he went to a very high-end restaurant down there, and guess what was on the menu? Okay, cheese. It's now made its way up the upper echelon. All the poor people food that we ate growing up is now delicacies at high-end restaurants.

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But I said, if you come duck hunting, there's a story of a politician, Dick Cheney, going bird hunting and he shot somebody in the face. I have to... do you duck hunt? He said, no, I've never been, but he does have a Benelli shotgun. So I said, well, we'll have to, I'll clear it with, with Jace.

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No, he said, y'all, he says, I think he's putting me in the, yeah, you're, you get to go.

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Well, here's the thing I do want to say though, in all seriousness, I want to tell you guys how thankful, how thankful I am. that the conversation is elevated from a snake like poop to someone getting engaged.

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Yeah, I mean, that's a the Genesis six passage, I think. Yeah, it opens up a whole nother paradigm that I honestly have not grown up thinking about until recently, mainly because I've read that Michael Heiser book, Seeing the Unseen Realm. No. seeing those two different books.

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Yeah, it's kind of weird because there's some parts about it, like I think he's on to something for sure. I mean, obviously, he's a lot smarter than I am and well-studied. But some of it, I don't know if I would translate it. particularly in Genesis 1, verse 26, when he says, let us make man in our image, in the image of God who created them, both male and female.

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I've always interpreted that to be a passage that's a Trinitarian passage of the Trinity speaking. He says not. He says that's the divine counsel.

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You have used the word of the past as vocation. And I like I like that word, too, because I think it'll I think what happens if you don't see what we're talking about here is that it does kind of change the entire narrative, in my opinion, of the whole story. And the way I would say that would be it. You'll tend to.

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if you divorce it or kind of separate out the whole story of, of the, of a cosmic battle of the sons of God and some of those sons of God fell. And some of those sons of God came into the women and created, you know, Nephilim and all these other species and all these other ones are not, I don't want to say subhuman, but not human, fully human.

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There is like this, the Genesis 11, that whenever God, you know, he has the tower of Babel and he creates nations for the first time, because nations didn't exist until Genesis 11. Well, that was, a result of man essentially trying to work his way to God, trying to build a tower. God confuses everybody's language. He creates nations.

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He pulls a portion of that nation of those nations for himself, Israel, that's Genesis 12. And it's like the, to me, it's like this really beautiful narrative of scripture that God,

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that god is building out and there's this battle but there's also this plan of god to bring his people back to eden so it's that edenic vision i love all that i think that's like that's the picture of the kingdom and if you kind of divorce that out you'll end up reading a lot of the new testament And you'll just see a piece of it.

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And you'll say, like, you get to, like, the book of Romans, and you read everything through the lens of what's called soteriology, meaning salvation. Like, what do I got to do to be saved? What do I got to do? Am I saved? Am I saved? And they become this obsession with being saved. And you almost forget, like, wait, God's calling us into an interactive life with him.

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And, like, it's more than just getting saved from, you know, going to hell. I mean, like, the Bible is way more than that. The story is way more than that. So I think it does matter to have this discussion. I think it has a lot of implications on how we read the rest of Scripture.

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It's a really, I heard a guy say at one time, like Jesus is the judge and he's sitting behind the, the podium or the pulpit. And he's like, how do you plea? And then he gets, he literally stands up and he goes and he walks around and sits by the defendant, which would be me. And he says, uh, I plead my client, please not guilty. He walks back up to the judge seat. By what grounds?

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It's like the same guy going back and forth. It's like, man, we're in kind of great shape, you know, that Jesus is all of it, you know.

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Black 17 says he's going to judge the world. And then there's other verses that say he mediates for us. And there's other verses that talk about he advocates for us. There's

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Again, that's puretalk.com slash unashamed to start saving the day. Pure Talk, wireless by Americans for Americans. The scary thing about that, Jace, is that we tend to marginalize that realm when we think, oh, somebody heard something from a spirit and we're like, no, you didn't. That's your own mind. The scripture would teach otherwise.

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There are real powers that are at play that are actually shaping people and whispering to people. Now, we can over-spiritualize things, too. I think that's a danger. C.S. Lewis talked about this, that the devil can trick you into thinking there are no devils or that everything's the devil's fault. And the Bible says pretty clearly that we're also dragged away and enticed by our own evil desires.

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Right. That passage that you mentioned, what it testifies to me is that there's real forces at play here. There's real things happening that are real entities happening. And he said, well, I don't like that. It scares me. Well, it should scare you. You know what I mean?

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That's a big point. Which is really interesting. I think this also gets to the conversation that we started, kind of a vocation. Because if you listen to the language in John, I want to pass it out of John, then I go to Ephesians and make the correlation to our vocation. But it says in John 3.19 that this is the judgment. He defines what the judgment is. Here's the judgment. This is interesting.

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That the judgment is that light has come into the world. The judgment is that the light has come, and it's exposing. And people love the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.

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But whoever does what is true comes to the light so that it may be clearly seen that his works... have been carried out in God. So there's the language of vocation. But to get even more specific, what Paul says, this is actually the vocation of the church is to live in the light. And listen to the purpose that Paul says that he says, I want you at the church to do this. This is in Ephesians 3, 7.

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Of this gospel, I was made a minister. according to the gift of God's grace, which was given to me by the working of his power.

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To me, though I am very least of all the saints, this grace was given to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, here's the language of light, and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for the ages in God who created all things so that through the church, through the church,

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The manifold wisdom of God might be made known to the rulers and authority in the heavenly places. So you think about a vocational calling. If you want to elevate the vocational calling of the church, according to Paul here, it's not just that we can get saved and get out of hell free card and go to heaven one day. We actually have a vocation of making known.

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to the rulers and the authorities and the heavenly places to make known to them the manifold wisdom of God. So they don't know, Al, to your point, but God has revealed it and is rebuilding it progressively to the church, who then makes that known to that council, to that other realm. And that's a wild thought.

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Well, yeah. And let me add this one thing to it to tie this back to what we, where we started in Genesis six and Genesis 11. If you think about what's happening here in Ephesians three, that through the church, the manifold wisdom of God is made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This would be the divine counsel and any, anyone in that realm that God created.

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The church is making it, what's he talking about here though? He's talking about the Gentiles being included into salvation with the Jews, into the kingdom with the Jews. So what he's, it's going all the way back to Genesis chapter 11, when there was the dividing of the nations and, Now all the nations are coming back through Christ and through the Spirit. All the people groups are coming back in.

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So when N.T. Wright talks about this verse, he mentioned the word, the manifold wisdom of God. He said that's a good way to translate that is that kind of the colorful expression, kind of the beauty of diversity in the kingdom. It's all this colorful representation of the kingdom. And so I think it is interesting that our vocation is,

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is not simply the atonement of our own personal sin, although it is partly that. It's also that we are participating in the kingdom as a whole, as a people, as a group, as a collection, as a collective. This is happening together. And so we get to participate in something bigger than ourselves. And I think that's so beautiful to think that God is invited us into his story in such a profound way.

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Well, they've been dating about, what, two years, a year and a half? Yeah, a couple years.

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Oh, I thought she met Cole. Yeah, okay.

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Something tells me that Cole did not come up with that sign that he had.

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Well, I'm going to have to get ready. I'll tell you what, I've ran into the troubles of the IRS before, and it would have been nice to have somebody that had a direct line to the right agent.

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Something happened in Nashville this past weekend. I can't remember what it was. Yeah, it did.

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No, I'm saying it was epic. I'm trying to remember. Oh, I just remembered what it was. Yeah, Florida. Florida won the SEC championship.

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That's why you got to be careful with Robertsons. You want to challenge it? You want to challenge it? No, I would never challenge you.

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No, I'm going to, I'm going to yell.

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But then the other is like, man, it's a demon. So they're coming and seeing Jesus in a different view. But watch what Jesus says. Jesus knew their thoughts and said, any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand?

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I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebub, which I think is interesting that Jesus introduces another kingdom that it's of the evil one, which is earthly and of the devil. So then it says, watch what this says. Verse 18 or verse 17, Jesus know their thoughts. Any king divided against himself, I read that.

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Verse 18, if Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebub. Now, if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then they will be your judges. And here's the verse I was trying to get to. But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

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And to go back to this point about us saying, look, the kingdom is where the king is reigning. And he makes that statement, which I think is pretty profound. If I'm driving out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom has come to you. So what do you make of that?

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Yep, and I think you're right, Zach, because he goes on to say, verse 21, when a strong man fully armed guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up the spoils. And he says, he who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me is

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And it's going to be the same thought that you even see with Peter. When he named him the Rock, well, you know why he named him the Rock? Because remember when he says, who do you say I am? Matthew 16, 18. Yeah. And Peter said, you're the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus is like, upon that Rock, you're Peter, and upon this Rock, I will build my church.

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Well, then later in Peter's writings, I think it's 1 Peter 2, remember when he brings up the rock, our cornerstone is Jesus? But then he says the same thing Jesus says here in Luke 11. He's like, well, some people are dashed on that rock. And it's the same principle.

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It was all water, yeah. And so we were having to track 20 minutes in an outboard, and so we would leave from the foot of Phil's house. But one morning it was so foggy that he was like, now look, follow me. I was like, you know, I know how to get there. Because you couldn't use your lights. You're just basically going by feel.

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Well, that's why I brought up the two kingdoms here. It's because even when Peter dipped his toe into the, well, you're not going to die. I'm never going to let that happen. You remember what Jesus said to him? Well, get behind me, Satan. All of a sudden, you don't like my plan. Because he even in Luke 11, after he talked about that, He who is not with me is against me.

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And then he goes into that illustration. When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through seeking rest and doesn't find it. And it says, I'll return to the house I left. When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean. Well, then he goes and gets seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in. And so he's showing you this spiritual battle between the two kingdoms.

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And then they ask for signs, more miraculous signs, to prove he is the one. He's like, I'm not going to give you any sign except the sign of Jonah. That's in 29 of Luke 11. Well, you remember what he's talking about there. I got to die. So that's why when Peter stepped out of line, he's like, well, now Peter got back in line, even though he was still full of struggles.

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But what happened was, as soon as, because we had two boats, as soon as I backed out, just everything disappeared. And I didn't realize the current was so strong in the river that it flipped my boat around. So I take off. While I'm looking around for Phil, I say, no, I mean, it's so foggy, you cannot see your hand in front of your face. And we're going down river. I didn't realize it.

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And that's why I brought up Judas, because he just didn't like – the way the king was operating and the way the kingdom was set up. And so you're like, well, where did he go? Well, there's only two possibilities. There's not all these different possibilities that we think there is, which I found fascinating, which I said all that to say.

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But it's what we all do when we sin. I mean, you just think about it. You think, oh, I mean, most of it starts, what, right around the teenage years or whatever, all of a sudden. This will be better. You're like, You're kind of like Adam and Eve in the garden. You're like, um, I know what's right for my life. This is my life. I'm going to do whatever makes me happy.

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And I will now be the judge of right and wrong. And we choose wrong. And then you look up and then you face the consequences and next thing, you know, You're under the control of the kingdom of despair.

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Well, and then that world comes in and makes it worse, saying, well, you're no good. You're terrible. You can never come back. So it only gets worse. Or it's like you're king of the world, and these earthly blessings come your way, and then all of a sudden you think you're going to do something with it.

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The wrong way. I thought I was going up river. Yeah. And somebody said, how come the current's going the opposite way? And I said, this is crazy. We have a supernatural occurrence. Because my first instinct was, I know I'm going. The West Tower River is flowing north. Because I was using the bank as my basis. I'm looking at the bank.

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It was always a growth process, which is I think everybody struggles with being an ambassador of Christ, yet still having flaws.

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Well, you take it well from me.

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Because you know I love you, Steve.

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So I think I figured something out. I think I figured something out. I was waiting for the right time to reveal this, but I think now is the time. Cause especially, I know it makes people feel uncomfortable when we talk about, you know, making decisions based on, you know, heaven or hell, which look the first few years of my life, that's all I was hearing.

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And, uh, you know, I actually wrote a book about, Where I had the principle right, I just wished that I'd had more of the package right in how I got there. I wrote that book because I said, and I made this illustration, and I made it my whole Christian life, but I finally found the smoking gun. You're going to be fascinated by this, I think. But I've always said...

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The whole key to Christianity is focusing on who you're with, not where you're going. Yeah, the journey. Yeah, because I made a point. It's like, take my wife. She doesn't care where we're going. I'll say, babe, you want to take a trip? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she wants to go because she's assuming I'm going with her. Does it matter? And I really have thought about that.

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Does it really matter where we're going? No, it's who you're with. And so I view eternity as being with Jesus and Jesus' people. I'm like, we're going to have a good time no matter where we are. However, I'm now realizing kind of I found a little smoking gun here. So in John, and I want to I want to share this with you. You know, we have the seven I Am's. We actually did a series. On the podcast.

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And I'm going due south.

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On the seven I Am's. Yep. Remember? Yep. And you remember what they are. Can you all name them? I'm the bread alive. That's one. I'm the light of the world. That's two. I'm the resurrection. The resurrection and the life.

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That's Revelation 1. Yeah. And unfortunately, it's not in the seven I Am's because I think they're saying seven I Am's at John. Yeah. Yeah. But Revelation, you could make a case for that being number eight because he says, I'm the alpha, the omega, the beginning, and the end, the first and the last. Yeah. That's the verse. So that's actually 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. And the gate is another. I'm the gate.

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You've got four of them so far.

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He says, I'm the way, the truth, the life. That's five. You're missing two. I am. All right. So you've got the bread. The light. Did you say the door? The gate.

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The gate three. Yeah. The good shepherd.

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I thought I was going due north with the bank on my left. I was going due south with the bank on my left. But now the current is going the opposite direction. And it took me maybe a minute to realize I'm going the wrong way. And so then I remember Phil's words following me, which was impossible because I couldn't see. So I turn around. and now we take off, and we're so far behind.

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I'm the resurrection. Yeah. I'm lost. The way, the truth, and the life. I got to see it on paper. Well, number seven is I'm the true vine. The vine. Yeah. John 15. That's John 15. Yeah. Okay, so those are the seven. But I will make a point before I give you, because I'm going to introduce a number eight. It's not in John. Yeah.

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but it should be number eight because when I read this and I went and looked it up, I thought, why have I never brought this up? Because there's another case you can make in John where he says before Abraham was, I am. Yeah, which is not considered part of the seven.

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And I think they came up with these seven because when you think about these things, because I don't want to miss the point, those seven are powerful. It really describes, think of the opposite of, Like when you're hungry. So he says, well, when you're really hungry, I mean, I've been in moments where I was like so hungry that I just, you know, stick my head in a bowl. And there's a story.

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Well, yeah, it's just like. And the only time I was really hungry is when I was in the Ukraine on that mission trip.

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Well, we ran out of food. We gave away what we brought because the people there were in way more severe conditions than we were. Well, I really know what it was to be hungry. I'm telling you, it was five days. I drank a little bit and ate a couple of crackers in five days.

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And when we, I've told this story many times, but we stopped at that Moscow McDonald's after five days. And I mean, it just, I just gorged myself. I was paying people to move up in the line. Seriously. I had a box of money because the exchange rate was so terrible back then. I've never said anything negative about McDonald's since. Right. Because I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever.

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But when you're hungry, it's the greatest thing. And they had one in Moscow. Having a place that you need to stop. So when he says I'm the bread alive, just think about the emotions when you're really hungry on what he's saying here. Good point. He's like, I'll satisfy that because he picked the strongest thing. Look, when he says light, well, how are you when you're in total darkness?

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There's no worse feeling in the world. It's despair. I mean, people have a phobia of that. I do not like... You lose your mind. Yeah. As a little kid, I remember thinking walking at 50 yards from... Granny's to our house. Yeah, in the black dark. Yeah. And I ran. Nobody had to give me a spiritual sermon on it. I was like... You're just terrified because you can't see.

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And every time you trip over that crack in the concrete. Stump toes. Well, and you think about door, gate, what's the significance of that? Well, ask somebody in prison when there's a locked door. I mean, and I'm claustrophobic. I don't even like being in an elevator. So it's like when you start adding all these things up, what he's presenting is really powerful. Well, I'm the good shepherd.

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So it took me a second to think about that one. But I thought, well, how many times in your life are you running with the wrong crowd and you feel trapped and you don't know how to break free? And then you just start looking for another crowd. And it's like, wouldn't it be nice if you just had a leader who would say, look, come follow me. Yeah. Because it's all these trap scenarios.

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And then when the resurrection was like, well, there's people in the counseling world who don't even believe in God that make people lie down in a coffin while you're alive. And just, I wouldn't want to do that because everybody's terrified of that. Right. I mean... So you just, you think, well, the way. Well, that's why I told you the story about being lost. Right.

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When you're lost, just think of me, arguments, confusion. How many arguments have I had with my wife? Like, you don't know the way. It's just chaos ensues. Then panic happens, and then you end up doing what? Pulling over on the side of the road, stopping life, and settling the argument. The relationship's now been fractured. Yeah. Because nobody knows, you know, where the heck we're going.

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I've been going the wrong way for 10 minutes. So what's funny about the story is an hour later, which is supposed to take 20 minutes, but it's so foggy, I'm just navigating, and I see a light in the fog. And it's almost getting daylight, but I see a light, and I'm like,

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And then the true vine, which I thought was interesting and more challenging, but as a wilderness person, I would venture to say the toughest thing in the woods is a vine. I have tripped over more. They're unstoppable. You can cut them off in the next year. I mean, you can literally whack them off in the next year. There's 10 more. Well, it just... And I thought, man...

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It's such an awesome thought. And if you want to do a Google search on the power of vines, I literally read them for a couple hours, especially all those in Israel with the grape vines and how tough they are. And so having said all that, I stumbled upon another I Am, and I thought, how have we missed this? And I Googled it to see if it was on any list. Zax was on the list.

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I'm the Alpha, the Omega. The Before Abraham was I Am. But this verse was on no list. I was shocked. Y'all have any idea? Obviously, we did a series and we didn't bring it up. You're saying it wasn't in John? It's not in John. It's another I Am, and I think it should be number eight or number one because it goes to the vocation, and I think that's why it's never been on a list.

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And I looked up the Greek. I thought maybe it doesn't say that. Oh, no, it's in the Greek. It's right in line with all those other I Ams. It's in Matthew 28. And it's really exciting. So we have groundbreaking, introduced and found another I am. No, it's hidden so subtly that we just miss it. So watch what he says. Speaking of our vocation and in the light of, so now we fast forwarded.

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Then the 11 disciples, because now we've already addressed Judas, went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. And when they saw him, they worshipped him, but some doubted. Now, I'm stopping here because he's already gone through the seven I Am's through John. We're just in Matthew's version of it. Yeah, he's about to ascend. Well, he gives them another one.

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He gives them a number eight. Let's see it down there. Then Jesus came to them and said, all authority, well, here's the heaven and earth coming together, has been given to me. Ephesians 1 says the same thing. This was God's plan. Heaven wasn't as far as we thought it was away, going back to Genesis 1. I mean, this just has the whole package. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations.

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that light is in a place where whatever that is doesn't make sense because I knew where I was in my mind, and so I see the light moving, and it hit me. I thought, that's Phil's boat. They're lost because I know where I'm at now. And they're in a field.

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Well, now we're getting into vocation here. All nations, go make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to obey everything I've commanded you, which is that why come and see me. And surely, well, here it is, I am with you always to the very end of the age. Well, how is that even possible? Right. Because we know he's fixed to leave.

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Well, how is he going to be with them always? Must have to send something to live inside of maybe. I don't know. That's why when I read that, I was like, how have I missed this? Because it's such a profound statement about living forever with Jesus, which is why he's going to give us his Holy Spirit, which he says, and I, look, am with you always. That when did that start? As soon as he left.

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I think it started when he said it. Yeah. I am with you. Right. Always. I'm with you. Always. Till the very end of the age. Well, what age is he talking about? The age of this age? The world? Pre-resurrected body? Okay. But that means I'm with you right now. Right. Which John... Kind of goes further down that. Remember when it says he breathed on him?

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In this section of John, he breathed on them the Holy Spirit, which I think was a reflection of when God breathed on Adam and Eve. Right. So they could, well, he breathed on Adam, gave him the breath of life. Well, now this is the new creation. And by that, he gave them his spirit. And then he said, as the Father sent me, I now send you, which is John's. kind of great commission. Yeah.

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Don't you find that fascinating? No, it's good. It's really good.

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Well, that's what I'm saying. My point is he said the wording on that is tricky.

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I'm with you always to the very end of the age. So you're like, well, which is it? I'm with you always or to the end of this age.

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So I'm saying that. That is, now all these other verses start making sense. Romans 8, 11. If the Spirit of Christ, who raised him from the dead, is living in you. then he who gave life to Jesus will also give life to your mortal body. Once they got the Spirit, you are with Jesus always, but it's connecting heaven and earth.

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He's at the right hand of God in heaven, but there's a connection now been formed because he poured out his Spirit into their hearts. Heaven and earth has come together, so he's with you always. Well, to the very end of this age, which is...

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They're off the creek. They're off the river. They're just in the flooded field. Yeah, so I went to the light that I could see, and I turned my motor off. They turned their motor off. And Phil said, where are we at? I was like, you're lost. But so it makes me feel better about not following you. I was like, because I went the wrong way down the river.

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Well, I don't think it's probably.

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Now we're going back to Jacob and Esau. Which, talking about Jesus is the bread of life, I mean, Esau gave up his birthright for a meal to show you the power of hunger. That's a good point. It really is.

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Well, I want to read the Genesis 28. So at 28, 12, Jacob had a dream. This is 28, 12. in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord, and he said, I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac.

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The blind was leading the blind because we couldn't see. But so we both got forgiveness of that because the conditions were too rough. But in the context of what we talked about on the last podcast, which I do think these are principles that can shape your faith in that who was actually looking for who. And you realize that since Jesus is the Son of God. Yeah.

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I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. I'll skip down and read the end of verse 14. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you. All peoples, all nations on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. Verse 15. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go. That sounds familiar. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go. I am.

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Okay, you got it. Which is God's nickname.

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I am. But I'm saying I think we missed that one in 28. Then he says, I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I promised you. But here's just a fascinating verse. When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, surely the Lord is in this place. And I was not aware of it. But I just think in our culture, in our time,

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thinking of God, that sentence, it really spoke to me because I really feel like a lot of people, they're surrounded by God and they're not aware of it. They don't realize how close heaven is, how close God is, especially when you read all the verses that we've been reading about, even in this dream. He's like, well, God was here. You look at Genesis 1, God was there. He was there.

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When the tabernacle, God's presence was there. Remember when he opened the eyes of the war, when the war was going on, what was it, Elisha? Second Kings 5. Yeah, Second Kings 5. It was like, oh, look how close this is. Remember when Stephen, he preached. Acts 7. Yeah, and they started throwing rocks. Well, he looked up, and he sees Jesus at the right hand of God. Whoa.

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You know, you can't see very far. That's right. It's just that layer was peeled back for him, and all of a sudden Jesus is standing. So I just think there's a danger when you think that God is a million miles away.

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And well over your two seconds, but that's the point I was making. And when you have the spirit of Christ, You're now the house of God.

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Him looking for us is more important. And I think you see this in a lot of verses that doesn't seem to make sense. One of them is in 1 John 4 where it says, this is love, not that we love God, but that he loved us. He first loved us. Yeah, he first loved us. Why is he saying that? John 15 where he says, look, you didn't choose me, I chose you. And I think that is... an authority thing.

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I mean, because if you leave us to find our own way, we're out there. I give my illustration some legs, you know. I think going around in circles thinking.

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It's like just spend some time with me, Jesus says, and you'll follow me. It's like the light switch comes on. That's it. And he uses this illustration multiple times when he talks about being blind and seeing. The story I always think about, I know I've shared it before, but... Because, you know, our dad, he was in the duck hunting world.

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So not only does he save us, I mean, we got that down. It was his grace, his mercy, his power. But then what we've been talking about is what we do. I mean, he called these disciples to be his witnesses. You know, in Acts 1, it calls it the apostolic ministry. Because remember, Judas, because there's what's fascinating about this, which the reason I think it's more about vocation is

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what we're reading, is because he chose 12 people. And John 6 talks about this. Well, one of them he chose was Judas. Yeah. Well, why did he choose him? I mean, that's why I'm saying there's more to it than just getting in Jesus, which is, yes, that is the most important thing, because if you're not in Jesus, you'll wind up in a field with your... Right, your...

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splattered out, which is what happened to Judas. Yeah, that's one. He wasn't a team player, but I think it makes more sense.

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And I believe that. I do too. So when you talk about lost and found, he found Judas, and guess what? He didn't want to be found because he had his own agenda, and there's always going to be that struggle with human beings.

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You won't find him. Even if you're in his midst. Which I go back to that John 1. 12, when he said, yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. Judas had the right to become a child of God. Jesus loved him. Jesus accepted him.

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So I'm making the point, though, I believe Judas' problem was that he didn't like what he was called to do and be. He was thinking more, let's take the money, let's take over the world. I think he was purely looking at a normal operating kingdom and wasn't looking at the qualities that Jesus was representing in his kingdom. And just to kind of prove that,

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I thought this was interesting in Luke 11 where Jesus makes this analogy in which what happens when you read any scripture, then I started reading what happened before, and I got a couple points I want to make. But speaking of this light and come and see, look what he says in 11.33. He says, no one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where where it will be hidden or under a bowl.

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Instead, he puts it on its stand so that those who come in may see the light. Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are good, your whole body is full of light. But when they are bad, your body is also full of darkness. Your body also is full of darkness. See to it then. that the light within you is not darkness is a very good line.

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See to it that the light within you is not darkness, which I think Judas would be a great example of that.

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He was real big about if somebody ever, usually outside of our family, would say, come to this duck hole and, you know, we'll get them. Well, if we didn't get them, my dad, he was like, never follow that human being ever again. And you remember, W.E. got into that category. He had a couple of strikeouts, you know, come up here. And I then learned after a while, I was like, if you get this wrong,

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Therefore, if your whole body is full of light and no part of it's dark, it will be completely light, lighted as when the light of a lamp shines on you, which is then going back to Jesus, which I thought that makes more sense, you know, when Hebrews 12, when it's like, let us fix our eyes on Jesus. You're like, well, how exactly do I do that?

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Well, it's getting back to this come and see, and then that becomes contagious where you're telling other people, oh, come and see. Come and see the light. But you're never going to put a bowl over it, which, I mean, I'm just saying, look at our modern-day churches today. It's like a bunch of buildings with bowls. It's like, don't get too excited. Don't take it out of the building.

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Keep it to yourself. Keep it right here. So yesterday I go to the store in my pajamas. I come home and Missy's like, why would you go to the store in your pajamas? And I said, I wanted to be comfortable. I was wearing Cozy Earth, which you gave me for Christmas. That's right.

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Welcome back, Zach. I didn't know you were back. I looked up and you were gone.

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But now look, I found something fascinating. When I look back to Luke 11, watch this interaction because this is why I thought about Judas. And we didn't read the John 6. Maybe we should, but we'll get to it eventually. Because he brings that up. He says he knew from the beginning that even though he chose – he says – Just like he says in John 15, you didn't choose me, I chose you.

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He says in the end of John 6, he's like, I chose you. And then John gives a little parenthetical. He says, even though he knew one of them would betray him from the beginning, he still chose him. That's right. It's fascinating. So in Luke 11... when he was driving out demons in verse 14, watch how cool this is. It says, Jesus was driving out a demon that was mute.

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you will be excluded from any future venture ever. Especially the first time. You can have a strikeout later, but not to start with. So in a famous story that happened is one year the river was up. It was up so high during duck season that we were having to get in an outboard motor and go to our duck hole from the river. We usually drive, but all the roads were under water.

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When the demon left, the man who had been mute spoke, and the crowd was amazed. But some of them said, well, by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, he's driving out demons. Others tested him by asking him for a sign of heaven. So here you have two different responses. People have, they're coming and they're looking, And one of them is like, boy, this is amazing.

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Cause she gives it all away anyway. So I thought, you know, I think it's the gift that keeps on giving.

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I need to get that brain specialist back on.

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Well, this John has been fascinating. It's so good. I don't know where we left off. I think we left off at the last couple of verses.

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But I skipped to the end because he kind of tells – Like, here's what this book was all about. Yeah. You know, and so at the end of chapter 20, he gives this little dissertation on Jesus did many other miraculous signs. And this is 2030.

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In the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book, but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Son, is the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. And then kind of he refers to himself in chapter 21 and verse 24. This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down.

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You got to remember, it was very cold today. The high- the high while we were out there was 32 degrees. Yeah. And it's still like 34 right now. The wind was blowing. So I had a pair of chest waders on. No, I didn't have any more layers on the bottoms. And look, this was a Christmas present for my wardrobe provider. It's a hole in the wall store. Used to be a seven 11, the honey hole.

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We know that his testimony is true. Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. But here's what I found fascinating. So we left off there. But when I just read that in 21, 24, You see that word, you'll like this since you're a Bible nerd, Zach.

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You see that word where it says, this is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true. Well, it's the same word, even though it's translated in English, testifies or testimony. Did you know? I looked this up. Remember when I was talking about all the thread lines that are in the book of John? We talked about light as opposed to darkness.

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Life as opposed to death. Love as opposed to hate. We talked about... What else did we talk about? The temple is a thread line. Well, you have also this testimony or testifies, which in the Greek... It's the word for where we get being martyred.

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And so I looked this up and it is mentioned, I think it was somewhere around 70 times in the entire New Testament. And in the book of John is 30 something. It's almost half. And when you throw in first, second, and third, John, you get another dozen more. So we're talking almost two thirds. And you say, well, why are you bringing this up?

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So when he gets to John the Baptist, even here in chapter one, you start seeing that word again, testifies, testimony. But he does it in all sorts of ways. I looked them all up. And it's amazing that you're basically having like a heavenly case with

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for jesus yeah it's a and that's why he said my testimony and i testify that this is this is true so you know just when you think it couldn't get more interesting you have that and it keeps coming up which you say well what's the old testament reference to this well you remember when they said uh The only way we can have validity is on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

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Well, he gives multiple and multiple ways, including Jesus himself, including him, including John the Baptist, including there's this big debate in John 8, you know, about testimony and testifying. And even when he was before Pilate, it's... this keeps coming up.

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So I think it's interesting when you go back to see how this is so appealing on convincing individuals and as a whole, uniting on this one and only individual, this unique Jesus who's,

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god but also distinct from god i mean the first verse says that it was the you know in the beginning was the word the word was with god the word was god well those two things which zach and i talked about at length but i just thought i found that fascinating there's another link that you see all the way through it's like well judge for yourself now here's the case

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And all I've done is I wear their stuff cause I like their stuff. They have quite the array. Oh yeah. And, uh, They say every time you mention us on the Unashamed podcast, people find us because I'm not giving any blurbs. And I have no affiliation other than I wear their stuff.

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Yeah. Well, I was just going to say there's a big debate on who wrote the book of Revelation. Some people think it's this same John. Others are like, just the way it's written is so bizarre because it's you know, picture form.

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That's right. No, I think, okay, now you've opened up a can of worms here. And I got to study this last night, but I'm not in a position to remember everything I study. But I will at some point when we're studying this book of John. But it looked like he makes a point.

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of saying uh even i'm just looking down here uh in john 1 35 he says the next day john was there again then 43 the next day she just decided well i look and there's like seven days uh because you look at two one on the third day a wedding took place so he he has these seven signs yep And there are seven days. And then when he gets to the end, you're right.

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There's a seven-day period of his death, burial, and resurrection. Well, when you think about what we've already said about the temple, and you think about where he started in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. Well, you go back to the beginning. Well, how many days did you have before the work was complete? Six. Six days, and then the seventh day he rested.

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Well, if you do the math when you get to the end of the book of John, He rests in the tomb. And then we have, uh-oh, we have an eighth day. Because look, it's now a new creation.

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Well, we had a creation in seven days. And what was the garden really? It was pretty much, you could make the case, and if you were doubting me, you could listen to someone like N.T. Wright, because he's gone into detail. He's like, it was set up like a temple. with the creation days and the presence of God. And he does a really good study on that.

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No, it wasn't personal. I know. You weren't doing it. I walked in there and thought I was looking for some jigs. Yeah. And I was actually looking for a hoodie the first time I went there because I was going to the airport. And I knew my layover times were real small. And people recognized me. in crowded places.

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Was that- Well, I told you that I studied it and I was- I mean, you got my mind rolling.

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was the garden and there's another guy gregory bill who's written a bunch about this as well along with a host of others but that was the original temple because that's where god lived that's where i was going and you had the image and all the temples had an image we remained the image of god and to your point uh i'm gonna bring up nt right again when you brought up the tree of life and the cherubim on each side well what happened at the resurrection the tomb

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Well, there was two angels on each side. Well, and you also have Jesus saying about the, I've come to have life. You remember there were two trees in the garden, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And so the verse I just read in chapter 20, which we didn't really think of it as a big deal, but in 31, when he said, I'll write these so that you may believe

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that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing, you may have life in his name. And we've always made that comparison. You had the tree of life. Well, then Jesus was crucified on a tree. Why? So we'd have life. Yeah. It actually was a tree of death that became a tree of life for us. Yeah. But also. It was a cursed tree. Now this came from N.T.

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And so I was like, the only way I'm going to get to my next flight is if I have a hoodie on. Because I'm not going to be rude.

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Wright, but I did think it was interesting. And he said, also, it seems to him that he was like, I don't know what else conclusion you could make, but. And this is a sermon that he did on John. It's called The Mission of God Through the Book of John. And I listened to it, but I only listened to it once. I have to listen to it again because he's a little bit deeper than I usually roll.

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But I did notice this because when he gets to chapter 20, he says, Peace be with you. Verse 19, after he said this, he showed them his hands inside. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. Again, Jesus said, peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.

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And you got to remember his prayer in John 17 and this inner action that him and the Father has, and they're passing that on to us, his disciples, and eventually the world. And so we have the Spirit of Christ, because then, in verse 22, and with that, he breathed on them. Well, you remember the first time God did some breathing on somebody? Well, it was the first creation. He breathed the life.

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Well, now he breathed into them and said, receive the Holy Spirit. But watch this next statement. I thought this is a fantastic point, and I know it's deep, but just think about it. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven. If you do not forgive, they are not forgiven. And he's like, there's been people debating that since time and eternity. They're like, what did he exactly mean there?

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But it's almost like you now have the tree of knowledge of good and evil because you have the spirit of Christ. You make those determinations when you share Jesus. Well, when people say, what does it mean to follow Jesus? Well, there's just a certain aspect of character, good and evil, that comes forth.

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I thought it was a really interesting point because basically you have this picture of what happened in the garden. And now you have this new creation, which is what Jesus accomplished through his life death.

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Draws more attention. Well, I have been escorted.

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Well, I think they found that there's some oasis. Oh, I know. That's what I was going to say. But even if he did.

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No, I agree. And Revelation 21 says that in verse 3 of 21. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, now... the dwelling of God is with men, which I think is in contrast of now as it would be different if he said now the dwelling of men is with God because it was coming down out of heaven.

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I don't know if I've ever shared this story, but I actually, and I forgot even what I was talking about. Oh, I was talking about why I have these pants on. I guess I should finish that story. So I got dressed because I didn't want to wake up my wife, and I was so tired yesterday because I didn't get a nap, and I duck hunted. So I just went to bed and I didn't know where my clothes were.

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No, he's right. What we're going to attempt to do is you realize John looked backwards and all the way to the beginning. That's why it starts there. Right.

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And he's going to say this is a new Jesus when it says, because when you look at the Greek words and all this, it makes way more sense because what Zach just read in verse 14, the word became flesh and made his dwelling flesh. Among us, that word dwelling is tabernacle, but it's a verb form of it. Like they say, pitch to tent. Among us. God came down and it uses the word tabernacle.

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Well, you remember what tabernacle in the Old Testament.

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It was a moving temple. And look, remember when the glory would rest on top of the tabernacle? Well, no. When you keep reading this, where does it say glory for the first time here in John 1? Somewhere.

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We have seen his glory. Yeah. So when you go back and read that in the Old Testament, look it up, tabernacle, and you'd see the glory of God. John is saying glory. All that happened to lead us here.

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Well, then he moves on and he starts talking about Moses for verse 16, from the fullness. And we remember that word fullness in Colossians is so prevalent there. In Christ, all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness. Well, that's not unlike a while ago when he breathed on them and said, just as the Father sent me, I'm sending you.

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I think that one verse, which it's taken us four sessions to get to it, is one of the most important in the book of John. Because now you're seeing the connection to us. I mean, you're like, well, that was his disciples. Well, that has continued. When Jesus went to the right hand of God, he promised John 14, 15, and 16 that he's going to pour out his spirit. He breathed it on them.

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You know, he had a special relationship, but it's the same spirit that we get when we surrender to Jesus. Exactly. You've been given fullness in Christ. You literally become a new creation. And you say, well, what does that look like? Like what we're fixed to read in the book of John, like Jesus, which is a very good thing for you to ask yourself.

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I'll go ahead and tell you, and I'm not a brain surgeon, but I did have a good night's sleep.

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But I will say this, because he brought up my dad in the movie and all that. Well, once you give your life to Christ, your brain's obviously going to look better because- You're going to have better. Well, all the vices that, you know, his list is almost like the Old Testament Leviticus.

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you know he didn't get to thwart him about that no i was gonna make fun of him because he has a big uh one of his big things is don't act like a jerk and he didn't say jerk he said something like a donkey but i won't say it you get the idea but i thought well you what i wanted to say when i heard all that is to say well you know why i'm acting like a donkey because i ain't had any coffee

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I mean, it was one of those angry sleeps. I don't even remember going to bed. And so I was looking around. I had the first couple of layers on. And then I thought, oh, well, yeah, I'm going to wear these. I got a little Christmas package from the honey hole. Well, they gave me like three pair. They look like pajama pants, but they're warm. So I'm going to try these. But I couldn't see.

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So I don't know if we want to read it. I mean, there's so much I was going to say. I was going to make a point about here comes grace and truth. from Jesus. He embodies God. And it says he's full of grace and truth. You think, well, what is the importance of that? Well, he compares it in verse 17, for the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

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No one has ever seen God, but God, the one and only, this unique son, has made him known or has explained him, some versions,

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say but you said well why is why is he bringing up moses and you're literally seeing from the beginning the garden and even when you think about what we're gonna get to you don't think this is a new exodus free and freeing humans from what exactly and even it's even a new glory because you described about the glory and it would come down on moses and joshua in a tent and

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Remember, look, Moses, he went up to the cave or whatever, and this is after the golden calf, and God was going to destroy the Israel nation forever. Israelite nation. Moses says, kill me instead. You can look up all these stories. And God said, okay, I'm going to let them off as a whole because you're willing to do that.

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But after all that happened, remember there's a weird conversation about you can't look at him or you'll die. You couldn't look at his body. Remember, he's like, no one can see me and live. Well, now he... He becomes a body to explain him. But oh yeah, what happened in between? Well, God marries them, gives them a covenant called the law. That's what it was. Here, we have an arrangement.

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We have a covenant relationship. Do this and everybody will be fine. What happened? It exposed our failures and our unfaithfulness to the Lord. So what it really says when you read this is humans need help. And the two greatest things that you could supply for that condition is grace and truth.

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And here comes Jesus, and he's introducing Jesus as here is God in a human form that's going to help people. going to help this relationship, this dwelling covenant existence of God in humans by having a lot of grace. And just think, everybody that's ever come to Jesus, how much grace is needed? A lot. You can't even, you'll sit here.

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which were the dark camouflage. And this is obviously, what would this be? Yuppie camouflage?

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That's what I was going to say. You say, well, this has been deep today because we're tying the Old Testament. But what is John actually saying? Here comes Jesus full of grace and truth, a God in a body. And he's bringing up the negative things that happened with the law, even though they weren't negative. The covenant agreement, the law was good. The people were the problem.

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Yeah, urban camo. But I had waders on over it. Yeah. But then when I took the waders off, I went, whoa.

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So he's saying God doesn't give up on people. And so that's what he embodies. So when you start putting that in your heart and then look at all these portraits and conversations that are fixing to happen, Jesus lays something out there very profound, and it causes chaos, confusion, conflict, but then it leads to a long conversation.

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But I'm going to tell you the theme of that is, because it's the theme of grace, God's not giving up on people. He literally came here to save the world and not give up on you. So if you think I'm too far gone or you give up on somebody else, only the grace of God through Jesus is going to fix that.

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And I'll tell you this story, really funny. I wasn't going to do this to my son's friend, but might as well. I won't give his name. How about that? There you go. He hadn't duck hunted much. And my son came in from Nashville. Hey, let's go duck hunting. I was like, we don't have any ducks. But he wanted to go. We'll spend family time. Well, we actually go. And he said, well, can I bring my buddy?

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I was like, is he an experienced duck hunter? And he went, no. I was like, well, I'll have to give him a speech. So when he showed up, he was fully chemoed, but he had a neon white hat on. I mean, you could see it glowed in the dark. Because you said, how do you know that? Because before daylight, when we got out there, you could see one thing, his hat. But it had a camo pattern on it. Oh, boy.

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And so I thought, well, I hate to embarrass him. I gave him the gun safety speech and here's your lane and all this stuff. So I just said, make sure you stay under the roof and I'll say when to get them. And I thought that'll take care of the problem. Well, so I have my son, my son's buddy. We had Jep's son-in-law. So, I mean, this was duck boy day.

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Yeah. We had Yuppie day. Zach. And my son's a pretty good hunter. And so on the end is one of my buddies, Chad, who looks like Grizzly Adams. Yeah. He's a hunter. And he's actually a nurse practitioner, but- He's valuable to the operation. We had one bunch of ducks kind of flare, and he just turned over and said, hey, buddy, we need to do something with that hat.

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And, well, it embarrassed him, you know. And he said, well, it's camouflage. And... Laughed and said, camouflage? That thing's glow-in-the-dark. Everything I was thinking, he said. So he just took it off.

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This got funny. So then all of a sudden it was foggy, and now he's hatless. So now he looks kind of weird because he doesn't have a hat on. And I start working these snow geese because they were confused in the fog. And I'm making a snow goose sound with my wood duck call. And they were circling us even though we couldn't see them because they were lost. And it's snow goose season.

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I'm like, we kill a snow goose. In a place where snow goose. Which is rare in our parks. Is it rare? We haven't killed a snow goose in 10, 15 years. Right. And that was on a drizzly, sleety day where they were all so confused. So I'm blowing, blowing, you know, and they're talking back to me. So I started getting excited. And I was like, hey, dude, get that hat back on. Get that hat back on.

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But he didn't know what I was talking about because I was thinking it's a fluorescent white hat. At this point, it's actually helpful. Maybe they'll think you're a snow goose, but he never figured out. And I thought it was funny because Chad was laughing so hard because he knew what I was saying. I was like, fuck.

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And wouldn't you know it, even without the hat, we get that bunch of geese in shootable range and shoot two of them. Really? Yes. And I was like, if you would have had that hat on, this story would have been awesome. How did you know?

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That was a funny story. So my airport story is one time me, Phil, a crew of us, we were on a duck hunting trip. When they get to my bag, you know, something goes off. They look at my carry-on. They say, step over, step on the side here. Next thing you know. I have two ATF agents escorting me, one under each arm. Have I told this story? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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I was in Washington, Oregon, California, somewhere that leans blue. Blue state. And so they looked at me and whatever they found in my bag, and they said, oh, yeah, we got him. Good thing you weren't wearing a hoodie that day. I go into a room and it literally was like a movie.

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I'm not sure you've gotten a $100 bill status. I give all my brothers, Al will attest to this, a $100 bill. Yep. Whether I have it or not.

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They turned on a bright light and I'm at a table and there's about five ATF agents around me and we're waiting on the interrogator. He walks in and says, huh, Jace, what are you doing here? Only because he recognized me did this not go south. But he said, it's all right, guys. I know this guy. And of course, I didn't know him. Right. But he just knew who I was.

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And he said, what we found, he pulled it out. It was a choke tube from one of my guns. Now, how it got in my bag, you know, we're all the time using different choke tubes and somehow or another, because we had none of our hunting equipment. That was all shipped. But, and for you that don't know, you can screw any, it's not dangerous.

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Well, because it is a firearm attachment.

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And here's the key information. I never got that choke tube back. Because I said, well, hand me my choke tube and I'll be on my way. And he's like, no, no, you're not getting this choke tube. I was like, well, mail it to me. He's like, no, you're not getting this back. Don't bring anything associated with a firearm to the airport. You will never see it again. So that was $150.

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That's what that cost, those choke tubes, those specialty chokes. They're expensive. And so, yeah, that was my story there. So don't put a choke tube in your bag and look like I do, or you're going to an interrogation room.

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Well, I'll tell you this. Even though I also had another weapon in my back because they had all my stuff laid out, except the choke tube. And my Bible was there. Your sower. And so I said, look, I mean, I got my Bible. I thought that would help because I was going to start a Jesus conversation. I didn't know what else to do. But I think that actually made it worse.

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Yeah, because now they're like, man, you brought a sword. Well, I think they just thought I was a radical, you know.

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I don't know what you're talking about because the money was returned. And the handshake was awful.

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Al has a special skill set on the cream cheese pie.

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Tell them to call me because I'm going to tell them to take you and dress up like me. And you be me on that show.

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I love it. I think it's a fantastic gift. I actually got some pretty good gifts this year way back in Christmas, which was shocking. Because most of the time, I would be difficult to buy for.

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That'll be a tough call. Usually it's my kids. Yep.

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I usually have a roll of my brothers. I actually gave my mom two $100 bills. Just because her birthday is right around Christmas. Yeah. And she gives money to most of the grandkids, great grandkids. And I just thought, okay, I'm only going to give you this if you don't give me anything.

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My son gave me these moccasins, and they're waterproof. Now, I realize when I did this, I exposed pants. You know what this is?

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I want to beg the audience not to listen to this, not to believe it, not to repeat it. It's not true.

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To be fair. The home we live in now, we've lived in for, I think, seven years, which is the longest we've ever lived in a home.

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I mean, I can say that I don't remember... a conversation with my own grandfather, really. I don't have a memory of that.

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Speaking of Tim Mackie from the Bible Project, if you weren't there for that episode, I mentioned him and Phil's like, hey, uh-uh.

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He thought we were bringing in another spurious Bible doctrine.

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But Linda is not a cat name. It's not.

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I mean, so that's a good point, too, because we hear the word Pharisee and we automatically associate that with brood of vipers and all the imagery that was painted. But not all of the Pharisees were bad. Joseph of Arimathea. So there were some people, some Pharisees that received Jesus as Lord. That's right.

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I can ask one question that will tell me how bad it's gotten. Is the cat an inside cat or outside cat or a combo?

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Yeah, Ezekiel is a, I would argue, the most graphic example in the Bible. There's some imagery in there that is, I mean, shocking. Stuff that I've always wanted to preach on, Ezekiel 23, But I'm like, man, can you imagine, like, the language in there is so graphic that it'll shock you if you go read it.

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Al, when's the last time you bought a new house? Well, it's actually been less than a year ago, Zach. If you'd only known about Andrew and Todd then, you could have probably got the best deal and a great transaction when looking for interest rates. Jill and I have bought several homes. It's been our biggest money decision. Honestly, it's been our best investment throughout the,

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Yeah. There's that imagery, too, of the adultery of the two sisters. That's in there.

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And what it does is it actually shows, I think it shows how desire can get corrupted by sin. And if you think back to the original creation of man, where he says to be fruitful and multiply, have dominion, subdue the earth. It's a corruption of sexuality to where you actually see it.

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He fast-forwards the entire story of the two adulterous sisters and how they lusted after the Assyrian warriors, and it gives graphic detail about that. But then it says you see their end. And the way that Ezekiel paints the picture, it's kind of interesting because he paints it at first with the way he describes these two sisters. It's like they're attractive.

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You can kind of feel the attraction as you're reading the text. And then they just move into their licentiousness. And as it's full grown, they end up being the victims of the very thing that they lusted after. They were brutally murdered in the end. And it's very, very graphic text, but it's like, this is sin. This is our story.

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And the fire in the background. He's got a very nice fire that creates quite the ambiance. A little fire, a little coffee machine behind him. I told you this before. We have the fire.

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If you read the Bible through that lens, as the primary lens through which you interpret the scripture, it's a hermeneutic, which hermeneutic is just a word that's used in seminaries to talk about how we interpret the Bible. We interpret the Bible through the lens of the presence of God, that God is there.

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And when you read that, you didn't read all of it, but that last section of Ezekiel that ends with the comment, the Lord is there, It's a description of the city, and particularly it's a description of these gates that serve as the entrance and the exit to the city. And there's 12 gates. And if you read about the 12 gates, it kind of gives some description there.

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One on the east, one on the west, one on the north, one on the south, or actually three. Three on the north, three gates on the north, three gates in the south, three in the east, and three in the west. A total of 12, kind of symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel, the 12 disciples, the 12 baskets of bread that were left over after the feeding of the 5,000 people.

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So you see that number 12 quite a bit. And then when you get to the end of the Bible in Revelation, you see the exact same picture. You see the gates. There's 12 gates, three on the north. This is in Revelation 21, three on the south, three on the east, three on the west. And where this all coincides with the temple is because everything is about what's the point of the temple.

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The point of the temple is that's where God's presence is. So God's in the city now.

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You said this earlier. You referenced Genesis 11. It initially came through Adam and Eve, and then Israel became the portion. Once nations were created, that's when Israel came on the scene. And Israel's purpose was to make this known and be a light to the nations, which you actually see in the book of Revelation, chapter 21.

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You see that accomplished when he says in verse 22, I didn't see a temple in the city. And here's the reason why. Because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb of the temple, the city doesn't need sun or moon to shine on it. The glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is the lamp. And here's the line. The nations...

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All the nations that were created in Genesis 11, the nations will walk by its light, and the kings of earth will bring their splendor to it. On no day will its gates, the 12 gates, the 12 gates that were in Ezekiel's vision, will they ever be shut, for there will be no night. The glory and the honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it.

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And nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, all the adulterous stuff, that's all gone. But only those names that are written in the Lamb's book of life. And then you turn the very next page into Genesis 22, and then you get into the idea of the stream, you know, the river. There's the river. That's it.

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There's no revelations. There's no book of revelations in the Bible. It's the book of revelation.

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The picture that's helpful for me, because we all know this, if you're in a desert, the life's always going to be around the river. So you know, I got to find the water. Let me find the riverbank. And so the picture is really helpful of this idea of the river, which Ezekiel's vision was it came out of the temple, which it did because it came out of the presence of God.

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And Eden, it came out of Eden and watered the garden.

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Oh, that's, you know how huge that is too, because there's something in what you just read that I think is a key under, that we have to get this. If you understand that the temple is, one, that it's built on the cornerstone of Jesus, two, that we are part of the temple, we are living stones, three, according to the text you just read, the temple is not a static structure.

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It is actually a container that is expanding and growing. It says we're growing into a holy temple. And the reason why that matters is if you remember when Jesus addressed the Pharisees about fasting and they asked him, why don't your disciples fast? The disciples of John fast. The disciples of the Pharisees fast. Why don't you why don't your disciples fast?

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And Jesus said, you don't fast when the bridegroom is with you. That's a that's the dumbest idea ever. And he says, you can't pour new wine into old wineskins or they will burst. So if your container to hold the new wine of the kingdom is an old wineskin like that, like that old temple wine, Anything like that. It's not a growing temple.

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Then eventually the spring that's in you, the Bible says, is welling up to eternal life. Woman at the well, John 4. Eventually, it's going to be a pressure cooker. Yeah. will not contain a spring that wells up to eternal life. So your temple structure needs to be a temple structure that is growing and expanding as the water continues. So the imagery in Revelation 22 is just that.

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The angel showed me the river of the water of life as crystal, as clear as crystal flowing from the throne of God I love this line. And the leaves of the tree are the healing for the nations.

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1 Kings 8. He's dedicating the temple and literally is like, he's looking around at what he built. He's like, wait a second. This won't work. I mean, come on. Am I really going to house the creator of the cosmos? Exactly. And that's kind of the rest of the Bible. The answer is like, no, you're not. But you kind of will in the end because you'll live in humans.

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I feel like this is like a version of like, someone who was a Christian and left their faith. I mean, you're relocating. What would Phil say? I can't. I mean, this is what's happening. What would your own father say if he knew you were relocating?

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Maybe 55. Well, we're trying to keep the germs down there, Chase. Keep the germs down. I've got some great news for you, Al. What's the great news? Jill and I, we booked our vacation. By the way, we did use the heyjack.com. Yeah, you've been talking about that. But I'm coming to your area. That's where we're coming. We're coming down to see you.

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Well, you know raccoons, though, you kind of are eliminating the natural predator to the copperhead. Raccoons will kill snakes. They will or won't? They will. They're a predator of snakes. But you can't live with a raccoon. I agree with you. You got to get rid of them.

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You look at what they eat. Here's the difference, though, for those of you who don't live in bear country. I think everybody probably lives in raccoon country. But the bear, here's the difference between a bear and a raccoon. A raccoon will get in your trash. They're going to get in your trash. But they're like...

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They're very chaotic in the way that they, they just like, I mean, it's like everywhere. A bear's a little different. He's very surgical. Like he takes his claw and he comes and he opens it up. He picks around what he wants. Now they'll drag, they'll drag your trash, like the whole bag, like through the yard, but they're not like, it's not like a chaotic scene. It's like a very surgical precision.

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They know what they want. They're going to get it. They don't like it. They move on. Yeah. But they're scavengers nonetheless. Yeah.

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Well, I'll be down there. I'm going to come down. Jill and I got the whole crew coming. Bring some traps for Al. I'll bring some traps. We are staying in one of these condos, you know, these beach condos that has the golf cart right around the little town with it and all that. So we'll be. We'll be down there.

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I've seen it. It's a giant van. It's a Dodge Ram. It's like a big bus. Yeah. I pulled up at the Willie's event that they were doing with Sadie, and Willie's like, I got out. And he was like, oh, I saw you. When I saw that man come in, I thought, what idiot is driving that van? And he said, then you got out. And I said, that all makes sense.

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The minivan blew up, and so then I had to buy a new van. So she wanted the big van that the whole family could ride in. So I bought the big van. And then that was two months ago. And then yesterday she said, I found a Volvo for like $4,000. I want to see if I can get it just to drive around town. So now we're looking at buying a $4,000 2016 Volvo. So that's the around town car.

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We saved quite a bit of money on that, but we're going to be down there hanging out in your neck of the woods really soon.

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And then my truck is in the shop, obviously. So, Al, you've got a collection of dogs that I think have become part of your family. Is it a collection, right? You've got a lot of dogs.

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So that's the collection of dogs. Well, the Robertsons do love their dogs, and there's quite a few running around. That's why it was so cool for us to meet naturopathic Dr. Dennis Black, who came into town. We actually had dinner with him. This is the gentleman who created Rough Greens to help us take good care of all of our dogs. And we want them to stay.

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Obviously, we want them to stay active and healthy for a good long time, as long as possible, not develop skin issues or joint problems or cancer. And those troubles are widely attributed to your dog's diet. But the good news is, is that Rough Greens is now the number one all-natural dog supplement in America with thousands of five-star reviews.

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They've helped millions of pups like Al's and Jace's stay healthy and active.

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Yeah, Jace, you were right. Of course, you were going to be right either way, but the truck was not totaled. They're going to fix it. So no total. What are you talking about? I was right either way. I was right the right way. I said not total.

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You said the truck is not totaled, but they'll probably total it. So you were going to be right either way.

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So a good transition here is that, Jace, you said at the beginning of the podcast, I want to hear about it. You said you did a deep dive into...

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You may be right. I do enjoy trading, but I think it's because early in my career, and by early I mean like in my 11- and 12-year-old days, I had a lot of cousins that would take advantage of me when it came to trading baseball cards and things like that. One of my cousins on this y'all side of the family, I gave him a Pete Rose, and he gave me a Mookie Wilson.

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Yeah. And every time I traded with a Robertson, I came out on the losing end of it. So I figured, you know, for me, this is like if I trade, if I'm in the car trade business.

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Thank you. I appreciate it. But back to Ezekiel, because actually I am excited to hear, because I love where you're getting me fired up. Anytime before the podcast starts, if we're getting too excited, we're like, hey, save it for the podcast, because we want to capture that.

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I'm the one trying to talk about the prophet Ezekiel. You guys are wanting to take it somewhere else. I mean, let's go.

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Like, while he's telling me what he's doing, he's getting him another screwdriver. I mean, he put that thing down. I thought, it's kind of early to be knocking back whatever this is. Well, that's why I needed the other two-thirds of his equation. So then the more he talked, and he was, you know, using some four-letter words and the descriptions of, and I thought, I need to have a conversation.

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And so it's like, but time was racing because he was a talker because that's what he is. He's an agent. He's making the sale. So then when he just asked me, he said, well, what do you do? And I just thought, I'm cutting to the chase right here. I said, I'm a disciple of Jesus. That's how they call you, cut to the chase, Jase. It was like sound effect head because he said, what do you do?

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And it was like, and I said, a disciple of Jesus. I was like, now, To make money, I build duck calls. I'm an entertainer, and I brought up our little duck show. And he's like, you're one of those people. And I was like, yeah, who would look like this without some reason? And so I started talking about Jesus because I said, what do you do? And I'm saying I got that from Jesus.

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I just thought, what if this is a God-architected encounter? And what's so weird is, is that after I got through with my speech, I never heard another four-letter word. And at the end, it was so funny when he got up, because it was only a 37-minute flight. He's like, and God bless you and all that y'all do in that God blessing.

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It was kind of a weird, and I don't know, it may have been because he had done, had about four free drivers. Yeah. But I thought, you know, it changed the whole conversation and narrative. And I thought, you never know, just that one encounter, where that will go.

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So I made a point, though, when I got to the book of John. I said, most encounters with Jesus starts with a conversation. And you really see that in the book of John. You have these portraits once we leave chapter one of these just everyday conversations that came up.

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Because we had a little meet and greet that they said was supposed to be. Because they forget nothing.

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Well, half the people were there because they listened to the podcast. So at least 50%, Zach. Do the math.

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I think you had put it on some notes. That we were going to talk about something. Yeah, it was in my notes.

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But it comes from something that I've heard Phil do a bit on. And I've said the same bit. Because it always fascinates me. Like when preachers get up to preach. Now, I realize you're a preacher, so don't get offended. But here's what I don't understand. I'm not easily offended. Most preachers that I hear, they get up, and they'll have a text, and they'll start.

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But then they'll preach a sermon, and they have like 30 quotes from people who wrote books. And I... And that's where Phil gets at. He's like, who is that? Because you feel like... Is this book not big enough for you? Are there not enough references in the Bible to quote?

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And I do think that when someone continues to quote other people's books in sermons, and most of the preachers that do that, they do it on a consistent basis.

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I would say most people there listen to the podcast. But it was one of those events where it's a little awkward because they were doing a fundraiser for a guy who basically challenges men to be men of God. And so... They had a dinner, and it was swanky. I was the most underdressed person there. Yep.

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Do you not have enough material in this book called the Bible? You do. I mean, I'm saying, okay, it's okay to quote somebody every once in a while. But if he didn't write a book in the Bible, I got him way further down the list. But that doesn't mean his story is irrelevant.

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Thank you, Zach, for illustrating this one. I don't need to have an invitation song.

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But Zach's like, we shouldn't steal people's material. I'm like, this is the material.

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I don't feel like you necessarily have to do that.

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Do you ever, do you ever Google something you think you come up? That's original. Oh yeah. You look at it and say, Oh yeah.

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come up with one and i was missy just come up with something no one's ever thought of before she's like well how do you know i was like because i looked it up i didn't she's like i'm sure somebody said that somewhere you just don't realize she's probably right but what i thought was uh i don't know if y'all watched the supo but the commercials seem to have a different vibe to them.

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Yeah, I noticed the whole thing did, really. Yeah, and I thought it was more positive overall. But one of them that caught me was there was a, I think it was a Jeep commercial that they had Harrison Ford. Oh, yeah. I thought it was a good commercial. Yeah, it was very good. But he said something in there that caught my attention because he was talking about humans

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And he's like, there's no owner's manual for humans. And I thought, objection. She's like, I want to hear the commercial.

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I said, no, no. I was like, what is the Bible? And, of course, she had a really good point. She's like, well, I think the same thing when people say there's no owner manual for parenting. She's like, objection. Of course, it's the same book that I had, which I do think it is an owner's manual for humans. It is. So even though I thought the commercial was pretty good. Did you like the commercials?

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Well, I liked them overall. I mean, what's the best commercial was obviously, did y'all watch the Super Bowl? Yeah. What was the best commercial?

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I'm just kind of like, well. So, however, I had one of my Honey Hole shirts on during the plane ride because, and I told you, you know, in a weird way, I'm kind of a fashion model, so I like it. And the person I'm fashioning for, Literally used to be a 7-Eleven. It's right down the street here, you know. So I had – That's where Jace is.

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I kept looking for the unashamed ad. What was crazy was all of a sudden it was just kind of to go in with your Song of Solomon theme. It was just a breast commercial from every conceivable angle. I hate to say this, but I didn't miss that one. And I thought, this is terrible. What are we doing? But then when it got to the end... It was breast cancer, yeah. Yeah, I thought, okay, I forgive you.

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Because, you know, their point was... A pretty good one.

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Well, that's what I thought. I thought if you want to just really draw people's attention to something, I'll offer you forgiveness on that. Yeah.

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Y'all should follow my lead. I mean, once they went in a different direction for halftime shows, which Missy and I was trying to figure out when that was, but it's been at least a decade. Yeah, about a decade. We don't even watch it. Yes, that's time to go.

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Maybe that's when I left the building, but then we muted it and actually – We called one of our kids, I think. We just talked the whole time.

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Well, we watched it because we were kind of rooting for the Eagles. And I really don't know why.

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Well, that reminded me why I was rooting for the Eagles. Duh. I have an event in Philadelphia this year. And I was like. Now you got a lead. I said, babe, if. Philadelphia doesn't win this. My opening line is going to be, are y'all over it yet? I was like, so I think I'd rather them win. And I told her, I said, I really, because I watch football.

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And without commercials and without the halftime show, you know, I watch the Red Zone. I don't like commercials or any kind of outside influence. And I met Scott Hanson at the Tebow event who does the NFL Red Zone, and I love this guy. He's awesome. He loves the Lord. He's a good guy.

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And so I just told her, I was like, I think Philadelphia, before the game started, I said, I think Philadelphia is the better team. I picked them by 10. And I think they're going to win. Yeah, I picked them by 10. So then we were kind of – we were rooting for them. And so now I can't wait to be in Philadelphia. Of course –

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I saw the way they celebrated the win, and I thought – Oh, they burned the city down. Now I realize why I'm called to Philadelphia. That's right, yeah. I need to – It's a mission field. Yeah, well, I just need to teach them the proper way to celebrate.

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I think it has to do with the amount of alcohol that's been – we're back to the screwdrivers now.

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If you look in the backdrop, Zach, there's people falling down without people pushing them.

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Well, the Super Bowl was at New Orleans. All the Philadelphia, I think they were just getting hammered, watching it, and then they went to the streets.

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Yeah. So I like that because I think it's funny, and I like their product. But I have to have the hoodie because my layover in between Atlanta, once I got to Atlanta, it was a very short time, so I had to put the hoodie on. I didn't run, but I was walking fast, which did draw security. Of course. I noticed several security people following me because I had my hoodie on.

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Well, I saw somewhere that in the late 60s, a Super Bowl ad cost $37,000, which is a lot.

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And now it's $8 million. Yeah, exactly. So in that era, they had a... chart, and that thing has gone straight up.

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Got booed. I know. It was crazy. It was bizarre. I thought, well, what's happening?

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Yeah, Louisiana girl. She was awesome. Yeah. And she sings about Jesus. Yeah.

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Well, it comes and goes. It comes and goes. I mean, I think he had a pretty rough week. He had another back procedure, which I think this is number six or seven. Seems to get a little harder to come out from under the anesthesia every time. He did. He was seeming a fog for a few days. And kind of, you know, doing a little bit bizarre things.

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A week later, I mean, yesterday he seemed to be doing a little better.

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It's like we're losing each time. It's like it's that much harder to come back mentally. I mean, he's kind of got two things working against him physically and then mentally. Yep. And so they're compounding each other. So we're doing our best to make them comfortable. Yep. We've gotten them closer to town. Yeah.

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When I'm in town, I'll be here every day. Yeah, we appreciate your prayers. But that's the goal now. I think they both realize that we're friends. we're in the past and the legacy down stage because there's really no cure for my dad's condition. And, uh, and we're not underestimating the power of God.

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He can do anything he wants at any time, which to go back to that, that boy I met and his name is Mason. So for you prayer warriors, if you want to put Mason on your prayer list, I mean, the boy has a brain tumor and they can't do anything about it. And, uh, despite this kid's attitude being great, I mean, I know that's got to be difficult.

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There's nothing sticking out but the beard. So once again, a victim of facial profiling.

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And so, you know, we don't underestimate the power of God. But where things are now with my dad, I mean, there just seems to be no way to reverse what's going on.

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I just hope they turn out well. Yeah, me too. Well, that's why I'm talking about Jesus so much, which in our prep for where we are in John 1, you know, when we left off where it says the next day John was there again with two of his disciples, that's in verse 35. So when he said, you know, he saw Jesus passing by and said, look, the Lamb of God, which we had discussed earlier what that meant.

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Well, and I had the shades on. So it's like this guy looks like he's trying to conceal his identity. And so when confronted with that by a security person, I said, well, I'm in a hurry. But they didn't get it because they didn't know who I was. I thought that was funny. So anyway, we get in this little whatever you call it, the meet and greet room.

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But then these two disciples come up there, and he's like, well, what do you want? But I've been thinking about that a lot because here we are. When I was in that airplane seat talking to the agent, I basically made that same claim. I was like, he's like, what do you do? Which most in our culture, we always say, what do we do for money? But I've tried to change that.

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So when people ask me, what do you do? That's my answer. I'm like, I follow Jesus or I'm a disciple of Jesus. Because it immediately then breaks the ice for what that means. Then usually when they hear what they wanted to have answered, which is what do you do for a living, which they think is interesting. Oh, your own TV, make duck calls. These are interesting things.

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Yeah, I'm an entertainer. People are like, oh, well, that's interesting. But I like the fact that they think – It's more interesting that I didn't lead with that. Yeah. I mean, I just was laying down who I am here, and now we can talk about this other stuff. Right. Which my point was, when the conversation ended, he didn't end on duck calls or TV or agent. He was like...

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He was trying to then assert his religious background, which was may the Lord bless everything. I remember something I heard in a class somewhere. But I was bringing that up because I had all these notes on what I was going to do.

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for my speech which none of that work when you get up yeah it just like you tend to go to default setting and uh so i never looked at them but what i wanted to bring up with y'all what i found interesting is in this little interaction of making the disciples and i and i might have read this somewhere

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But when you think about why God chose this plan and why John goes through and writes the way he did, because this first chapter is like, It's kind of an overview of the big picture on the plan of God. Yeah.

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Yeah. So then as you read this, you're constantly going back to what he introduced. So I've really been looking at it through those glasses, I guess. And you know what really kind of just hit me between the eyes, which I guess I knew this. I'd never thought about it. But think about what Jesus did and why he had to go to the right hand.

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Now, one, we make the point accurately from Hebrews that he's there on our behalf in God's presence because he's made atonement for our sins. Think about Hebrews 1 where it says, after he provided purification for sins, this is 1 through 3, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty of heaven. And so I get that's a part of it.

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The first, not the first, I'll tell you the story, but the first person there was a 13-year-old kid that had a brain tumor. And they had reached out to us. And so we reached out to the event. And we were like, can we arrange a meeting? Because his story was he discovered us when he was four and he was in a hospital bed, which a lot of kids have this happen. And I mean, he has a brain tumor.

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But when you read chapter 6, chapter 7, chapter 8 of Hebrews, it's kind of deeper there. It's like he's our sacrifice that's living forever. But also another thing is by him doing that and remaining a man, he's bound to one location. So if he then could pour out his spirit and thank Galatians 4, 1 through 6, where it says he's given us the spirit of his son.

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Well, he now could be in multiple places at one time, which would become a ministry of showing humanity that Heaven and God on the earth. Yes.

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So what hit me in that was, you remember in 2 Corinthians, I didn't notice, because it made me go back and read 2 Corinthians 2 all the way through the first part of chapter 6, on how many times he's talking about this ministry, this ministry, this ministry. And he calls it the ministry of the Spirit. Yeah. And it's like humans that have become Jesus on the earth,

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And I thought, what a plan this is from God's perspective.

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So 2 Corinthians 3, 7 actually uses that phrase. It says, if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, because he's talking about Moses and the Ten Commandments, it says, came with glory so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory fading through it

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fading though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be ever more glorious? I like that little phrase, the ministry of the Spirit, which then he leads to something that we've read many times where it says in verse 17 of chapter 3, now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there's freedom. And we who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory,

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are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. But it made me think of the big picture of John when he said, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and then the Word became flesh, verse 14. But when you go back to creation and you have God,

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and the Holy Spirit hovering over the waters, and then God said, let there be light. Boom, then creation. It's born, and they go through it all, and it's all good. It's all good. It's all good. And then it gets to 26, and it's like, and let us make man in our image. Well, I started thinking about this. Here's Jesus becoming a human as the image of God.

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Then here's us becoming a new creation who were originally made in the image of God. And what is the image supposed to represent? It's reflecting God. people who come to you back to the original creator. Right. Which I thought, man, this thing is going full circle here. That's what the intent of humans, that was the intent of having humans. Right.

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Is that we then could be used by God to show who he is on the earth to other humans who haven't figured it out yet.

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He's going through one miserable procedure after another.

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And so when you're a kid in that situation, you want to have a way to have a distraction, break the cycle. So he started watching our little duck show, and he was just real thankful because he, in his words, you know, that really helped him go through the process.

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Yeah. So here he is, 13 now, still has the brain tumor because they can't remove it because of where it's at. Yeah. And, you know, it's touching because these guys, that little boy, he never, and I say little, he's 13 and he's bigger than you. Just a huge mountain of a young man. And kind of had a mullet and kind of his hairdo looked like mine, you know. So we were having a lot of fun.

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I was making him laugh about it. I was like, man, I feel at home. I mean, because he's, you know, he had redneck tendencies. Oh, yeah. And just a fabulous kid. Had a smile on his face the whole time. So I thought, you know what? I'm going to make him a part of the show. And so I said, I want to introduce you because you need people praying for you. And never underestimate the power of prayer.

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And, of course, we gathered around him and said a prayer while we were back there. So this is kind of where it went wrong. I had a great idea because I thought, man, let's give this guy some attention. I mean, he's a warrior. He's going through all this struggle, and he's got a smile on his face. So I said, look, I'm going to introduce you when I first come out.

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And when I introduced you, I gave him one of my duck calls off my lanyard. And signed it. And I told him to wash it first or whatever. And he was real excited getting the duck call. So I said, when I introduce you, I want you to blow the duck call.

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I was like, then I'll make some jokes about it. So he's like, okay. I was like, and then what we'll do at the end is like, I'll give you a job to do, to be like my assistant. And so wait for further details on that. As we go. So, I mean, I thought it was a great plan. Sounds great, right? We're drawing attention to this kid. What could go wrong? Well, I introduced him. I told his story.

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And he doesn't blow the duck hole. He just kind of is looking with a grin on his face. And I'm like, blow the duck hole. And so then he blew it, which he was actually pretty good on a duck hole. I said, now, here's what you do. At the 35-minute mark from right now, blow it again. And so then I know my time is up. So I thought, what could go wrong? Oh, boy. Well, I do the speech.

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And at some point, I'm like, this has to have gone over 35 minutes. Because you've done this enough now where you're going to turn the clock. Has it not been 35 minutes? And he just kind of looked at me with a grin. But he still didn't blow the duck call. So I went ahead and quit, got off stage, and my assistant was like, you went 53 minutes. And I thought, well, maybe it was the 35, the 53.

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And she's like, why would you do that? So she was like chastising me. And I was like, he had one job. I thought he would do it. So then I was like, well, I hope I didn't embarrass him. But then he came up after, and I kind of had tears in his eyes, and we hugged, you know. And I was like, it truly was, I think, a God-orchestrated thing. Well, he didn't want you to stop.

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Well, he gave me no explanation. I was like, why didn't you blow the duck call? And he's like, well, I didn't know what time it was. Well, I thought, in our world, I figured everybody— He's a redneck.

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He doesn't have a watch. So I was like, well, okay. So yesterday, I go to the store in my pajamas. I come home, and Missy's like, why would you go to the store in your pajamas? And I said, I wanted to be comfortable. I was wearing Cozy Earth, which you gave me for Christmas. That's right.

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Well, here's what happened. You're sick, trust me. What had happened was it was 80 degrees in Louisiana. That's right, two days ago. And I flew to Nashville, and I thought I was doing an event in Nashville, but it was actually in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

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The second guy I met in the little green room for the meet and greet, He had the shirt on from the honey hole that I had worn in the airport. And look, this was a swanky thing. He had a suit coat, but he had the shirt. Under it? Under it. And it had the little tag, you know. I was like, dude, this is weird. And he said, why? I was like, I just had that shirt on and I took it off.

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I put one on that had unashamed. Yeah. I was like, it's kind of weird you're wearing that shirt that I had on. I mean. That's weird. But he was just looking with a grin, and I was like, okay, he must be kind of a weird guy. Well, then the next couple that came, I was like, what are y'all doing here? And they said, we have no idea. We heard you say you were going to be here, and this is our date.

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And we drove an hour, which I thought was weird, don't you think?

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So anyway, it was fun. I mean, we did the event, and I had my son and his wife and three grandkids come. Oh, yeah, because you were close to Nashville. Well, I was like an hour and a half, but I didn't even know they were coming, which turned into chaos. I mean, my grandkids are... Three and under. Three of them. You have three under three, yeah. Yeah. But overall, it was the first event.

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So then that night after the event got a little scratchy. And then the next day I woke up and I had zero vocal ability.

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Well, I felt fine. But now since then, I'm like, well, maybe I got some kind of virus. But it was weird because I literally couldn't make a sound. So then it got weird on the way back because all I could do was basically grunt. I was like, what is that? There's some star in Hollywood that all he does is grunt. He makes millions of dollars, but I don't know who that is.

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I just heard somebody say that. I don't know. But I could not make an audible sound for 24 hours.

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So I did do some of our kind of new stuff in my speech, which just kind of came out about the kingdom and all. I did a thing about conversations, which goes in with the book of John, because I had an interesting conversation on the way there. So a guy is sitting next to me, and it's 7.30 in the morning. And...

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Oh, yeah, because they hadn't sold out. So I did a little blurb. And thank you, Unashamed Nation, because they sold out in a matter of minutes once the podcast was on. See the power of Unashamed Nation. What was funny was then it attracts, when you do that, it attracts the real audience. fans of Unashamed Nation, which makes for interesting stories when Jace gets to meet them.

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When I passed him, because I was sitting by the window, I was like, boy, you got quite the bar going here. Because he had a, I thought it was orange juice, and he had a cup of coffee, and he had a bottle of water. And I was trying not to knot any of it over with my bag. And he said, oh, yeah, I got the Holy Trinity. And I thought. What does that mean? And he said, yeah, I got the Holy Trinity.

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I got some caffeine. I got the alcohol with the screwdriver. Oh. And I have some water to wash it all down. I thought, that's an odd way of using the Holy Trinity. That might be bizarro, Trinity. Yeah, so I said, well, what do you do? And he said, well, I'm a sports agent for the NIL, you know, in the college world, because that's all just exploding. Oh, yeah, there's big money there. Yeah.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We've explained this to you before. To you, you've had a day or two in between. We just have five minutes. We're kind of continuing our discussion. And Jason, we realized when we were getting ready to roll back in. We started your duck hunting story and somehow we got into dad and everything else. Then we never finished.

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And I would argue that John 14, 15, 16 were the three most significant chapters we look at, but it's just in a letter, but the three most significant chapters of everything Jesus told his disciples. And I'm sure when they reflected back, once they got to those moments in Acts 1 and 2, they realized that then it was like, oh, this is what he was talking about. This is what we're going to do.

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And I think the idea of that emptying that you're talking about, because you think about just what Zach described, when you think about the heavenly versus the earthly, we think about that in a spiritual sense in the temple and things that were trying to happen. That also describes us.

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the earthly nature of who we are is to respond in a way that other people would on earth who don't know Jesus, right? So I broke those three, all that big list down into three different sections. One is our desires, and that's where he gets into sensuality, impurity, lust. And so you think about it's that which I would do, that which I would think, that which would motivate me in desires.

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Then he talks about your reactions, right? You know, how do I react to things? Rage, anger, malice, slander, filthy, you know, the things that I would react to a situation. And all those are unhealthy, but they're very earthly and they're very real. We see it every single day, right?

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You cut somebody off in traffic, you'll see a lot of these responses because that's instantaneous what our earthly desires are. And then the third one is the language itself. And that's when he talks about the language. The filthy language. In other words, that which we say, which is reflective of who we are.

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And so when you look at our desires, our reaction, our language, that which is earthly is what entraps us if we stay there. I mean, I don't know that anybody wants to be bitter. I don't know that anybody that wants to constantly be lying about stuff. I mean, like I said, it's a hard place to live, to constantly be in fear of what you're going to say, how you're going to react, or whatever.

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to wind up in a situation where you, you know, are unfaithful to your wife or something. And yet there are people that live under this, this siege every single day. It's a, it's a hard life. I mean, those of us that have lived it even for a little while, you realize it's very entrapping in terms of what it is.

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No, and I think you're exactly right. It shows you, it's like one guy told me one time, never fall in love with a hunk of metal because you'll always be disappointed. And I think that's exactly what this text is talking about. And it's interesting as well, when you think about these first like verses one through four,

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I mentioned that you love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. It's the way Jesus put it simply as the greatest command. And then the second part of this in five through nine is our reactions, right? To people and the things, our desires, the way you interact with people, relationships, how we communicate.

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And that falls in line with the second commandment, which is love your neighbor as yourself. And so Jesus took all these points, you know, that Paul's laid out here in these first nine verses and simply said, you can sum it all up very simply.

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But you learned it from the best because dad would say, hey, too many honey buns. Well, right.

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And that's why human answers will not solve earthly problems. I mean, we only just create more. And it's Allie Beth's book on toxic empathy. She does such a great job of showing when human beings try to apply their solutions to spiritual problems, it just creates more problems. And then the empathy that you think is a good thing becomes toxic. You know why that's true, though?

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I want to tie that thought back to what Jace brought up earlier with the woman. that was caught in adultery in that setting. Cause remember the setting was they brought her in, whoever brought her in to trap Jesus was the, was the why they did it. They wanted to put him in a, they thought an unwinnable situation. Again, thinking like human beings, but look at the choice he puts to the people.

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There's a group of people standing there who have a legal right to To stone this woman. I mean, in the law, it says someone called it the act of adultery. They can be stoned. There were a lot more processes that had to happen other than being in a Bible class. But that was they had a legal right to do what they were contemplating. And Jesus puts the question to them. OK, you're right.

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You got the legal right. So I tell you what, the one who now has no sin, you've never sinned. You start the process. So he puts the human condition right back to them. Okay, anybody that can rise above this woman and say, you've never made a mistake, you be the first one to throw the stone. And it said it started with the older ones and went down to the young and they all walked away.

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And then he looks at her and says, no one stayed to condemn you. And she says, no. Then he tells her, then leave your life of sin, which is interesting. At a spiritual sense, the only solution we have to our human problems and our earthly problems are him.

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Or Jesus. It's not going to be anybody else. So just because you have a gang of people that all agree something needs to be done, you don't have the answer to what needs to be done.

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We never finished. It's another unfinished story.

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I was going to say, what did Missy think?

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You just stepped over a copperhead.

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Moonlight hike. That's where Willie and Corey met.

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Because we already started the Bible study on the wrong foot.

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And since you weren't sure where she was, you had a Joseph moment where you literally said, I'll run over here.

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And doesn't that really describe what was it? I can't remember where Paul said it, but he said, you know, we live on the earth, but we're not of the earth. Yeah. And that's the difference. Of the world. Yeah. Of the world, but not of the world. Not of the world.

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You were looking at her as a potential sister in Christ.

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And I think that's why you get to- But some of that too, Jason, is just wisdom. It's what you're describing as wisdom because, and that's godly wisdom. All the years I was in ministry as a pastor, I would meet with anybody. But if a woman wanted to come and meet with me, I was going to meet with her with either Lisa being there or with Lori who worked with me at the church being there.

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It was wise because what it was saying, and what I always would say is, look, and I'm just a man, so certainly I take no pride in saying I'm above anything, but I wasn't as worried about me, but I didn't know about them and where they were.

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And so my thing was, since we're going to be here trying to talk about godly solutions to earthly problems, let's do that in a setting where nobody's going to get the wrong impression ever.

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It's right to what Max said, don't feed it.

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I love it. So when we get back together next time, we'll talk about that as well as the renovated life from verse 10, which I want to get into the renewed life, what that looks like. So Brandon, thanks for coming on. It's always a pleasure to have you. We'll see you guys next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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Yeah, we want him to live. We love Jersey.

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The easiest part of the whole adventure was getting out of the blind, and that's the part that got him.

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Oh, man, I wish we had Joe on here to get his take on it. It reminded me, Jason, you're telling the story about the fat boys in the front. We were on a mission trip one time, and Gordon, Zach's dad, was there. And Ben was with us, and I think we were heading to Dominican or Haiti or someplace. And Gordon was up front. We were further back, and we had a pretty large group.

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There were about 20 of us. So we had most of the plane. It was a small plane leaving out of Monroe. And so the flight attendant comes on and says, we need someone in rows one through four to move to the back. because we have a weight issue in the plane. So there's not a, and there's some empty seats up there toward the front. This isn't like first class front. This is a little big plane.

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Which he now considers himself to be.

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And so nobody makes a move. Well, Gordon is one of the people in one through four. And so we're all start laughing because we're like, look, Gordon's not going to make the move. He's not going to be the one that takes that walk of shame. Yeah.

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to the back and so then she says uh she goes back on like a minute goes by she says uh could somebody in rows two or three so the circle's shrinking so we're shrinking down and then so we start doing commentary from the uh could the man with the large head in row three a And so Gordon finally gets up and just shuffles back in shame and joins us in the background.

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When you actually feel the plane level out, it was you.

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You said you were in Arkansas? I was in Arkansas. When it's right in Arkansas, it's right. I mean, there's probably no better place. Were you in woods? Were you in timber?

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It just boom. And that's usually two phrases you don't want together, Brandon. I just blacked out and I shot. Yeah. That's usually not a good combination.

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So speaking of duck season, you see my shirt I'm wearing, Jay. This is. Tis the season. Tis the season. With a duck on it. And I did that for you. And that's Tony. Thomas, our brother-in-law, designed this shirt. So if you want to, if this is a good idea for a Christmas gift, Tony Thomas Art.

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When Paige found out she was pregnant, she didn't feel she could afford a child. The father threatened to make her have an abortion, but when her mother found out, she introduced her to a pre-born network clinic. At the clinic... Paige was given the support and resources she needed to help her choose life, and the father there even started attending parenting classes with her.

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Brandon's still with us. He was with us on the last podcast as well. And Jace, so you did the classic move. We have a minute left in the podcast. And then you went to the text, Colton. Is it Colton? Yeah, Colton. Colton's text, which was a great question about John 14. What were the rooms in the father's house in John 14 too? Yeah.

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And so you read your response to him, but we didn't really get a chance to react to that because it was so strong because I dropped in a little joke there at the beginning. about mansions over the hilltop, which is an old song that basically paints the picture that we're all waiting to get to heaven to find our mansion, find this house. But really, it's not at all what he's, the context of it.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We've kind of been talking about the last podcast, this idea of a new year, the idea that for me, I've been using the term to know Jesus better. Jason's been talking about Jesus stuff. How do we make Jesus stuff applicable? When are we going to do the Jesus stuff?

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Some have been there a while. But we got into stuff about one of the couples that was there, their children's son is going through a divorce. Well, that's created a huge amount of problems on the whole family. It's difficult because you've got this separation going on. So they're genuinely seeking, what can we do? How can we help? And they're asking Lisa and I these questions.

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And even though we haven't gone through that specifically, because I understand what Jesus did, and can point back to some of the things he points out in the scripture, I'm able to give them good advice, good spiritual counsel to help them in that situation. That's part of the process of helping people see who Jesus is in the moment.

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Because look, things get sideways in a marriage, in a relationship, and that's when you need Christ the most. There was another couple there, and this guy had had a strange relationship from his father as an adult. And basically just a cutoff. I don't want to have anything to do with it anymore. Well, I mean, you're talking about hurt at a deep level.

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There's this idea that if we have a spirit of willingness, now that we've made our intention, I call that the process of integrity. In other words, it takes time to build integrity. You mentioned 34 years in marriage with Missy. For Lisa and I, it's been 40 years. It's been a process. And look, there's been some rough times and there's been some amazing times. But over the course of the time,

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I mean, we're going through this stuff with dad. I can't imagine. If we didn't have this close relationship we've had of all the years of being together and him guiding us and teaching us for this moment. So those are things, if you're not prepared through your own walk with Christ, you can't offer anything to anybody else. And so one is you have to be willing. You have to be open.

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You have to have those table moments that we're talking about. That's how you share Jesus. That's real life.

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But, you know, it's interesting, Jason, when you brought that up a minute ago and you're talking about being clothed with Christ and then having him in you and being formed into something, a unit. For him, I thought about, honey, I thought about a duck line because everybody's clothed similar to be concealed.

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And the idea is we're here because we're after these wily birds that, you know, you got to trick them to get them in there. And so everybody works as a unit. And when you accomplish that, when a big flock of birds comes in, you get them in just right and you do everything you're supposed to do. There's this feeling of exultation and joy. I mean, it's palpable. Everybody's high-fiving.

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So I thought about it. Even in that little microcosm, it's the same mindset. It's the idea of being clothed, having in us the same desire to do the same things, to work together. Well, it's a belonging.

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This is my credential. That's a good point, because imagine from his perspective, he's like, you're talking about being born right. I'm in the right tribe, in the right nation, in the right spot. I mean, how would I possibly need to be born again?

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There's an integrity for both of us that's grown, and that's the process of growth in Christ. That's what should be happening. We shouldn't look at the end.

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When we get down to the end of our lives, like mom and dad have been together 60 years now, and I'll watch them, and man, the integrity they have for each other and their relationship with God, that's the way we want it to be as we get closer to the end. The biblical word for that is sanctification.

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Well, just imagine how Jesus having a discussion with Jewish leaders, James brought up Nicodemus at the beginning of this, And they're saying, yeah, but we know. We've spent multi-generations of preparing for the moment of the Messiah. And yet they don't realize they're talking to the Messiah. He's like, I am the guy you've been talking about, the ultimate experience of God in flesh.

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And they're like, yeah, but let us tell you what we know because we've been preparing. They knew so much about him, but they could not recognize him.

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Which you make such a good point. If a pastor's doing his job, he works himself out of a job. Yeah. I mean, is that not true, Zach? I mean, you're always good. I'm always going to have pastoral DNA in me, and I'm going to be helping people and growing people. But at some point, I work myself out of a job because I'm training people to do exactly what they're supposed to do.

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And I'm so glad you brought that word up, Zach, because I think it's in, is it 1 Thessalonians? It talks about the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. So you can't have sanctification if you first don't have the Holy Spirit, because that's the source of the work that goes on over the course of your life. And some people get it quicker, some people it takes longer.

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It's just a lot harder to shoot them.

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In other words, what you're saying is everything that benefits a Christian walk in a relationship with Christ doubled that for a marriage because all those principles you just mentioned are good. Yeah. The fruit of our marriage is love, joy, peace, patience. I mean, we're like, man, we're doing the right things. We're moving in the right direction.

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No, and I think the marriage is such a good illustration. That's why I'm glad you brought that up in that conversation, because it's what I was mentioning earlier, this idea that we proclaim our intentions And then we worked through a process together. That's what you described in this young person and their marriage. It's always going to be difficult. Things will happen.

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That's why you have to go back to the start and say, okay, messed up here, gotten off track. We're getting to this place of not being able to manage well. It's unmanageable. What do we do? Let's go back to the beginning. We made a commitment to one another. We will spend the rest of our lives together. it's the path we're on right now.

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That's going to become very difficult unless one of us proclaims our intentions will change. Then we reset that process of integrity. And look, you know where we wind up being an image bearer. We look like Jesus when we do that.

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And you remember every time, what few little times we saw an interaction, the same phrase was used. Mary pondered these things in her heart. Remember, that's the way the NIV puts it. In other words, everything that happened over the course of his growing up, she was like, oh, yeah, that's right. She's remembering what that angel told her.

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Well, we know for sure she didn't know about the whole death and the cross because he hadn't brought all that out yet.

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But she does know he's the Messiah and he's come to save Israel. That part she believes fully. And so she knew there was something supernatural. Why would she even ask him? Unless she knew that there were possibilities. You know, I don't know that she knew he was going to turn it into wine, but she knew he was going to do something.

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No, I like it. And so here's my little way of framing it, and this is a sermon I'm working on for Ephesians. There's a proclamation of intention, Ephesians 1, 13, 14. There's a process of integrity that takes place when we have a willingness and a heart that seeks wisdom.

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Yeah, you're right. And if you look in all the wrong places, you won't come up with the right answers. You think about it, salvation, of anything, usually comes from surrender and change. I mean, we have to change. We have to do something different than we've been doing it. It's the old insanity definition.

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But when you talk about your spiritual wall, that would relate to your marriage, relationship with your kids, with your parents, all of it. Anytime there's a breakdown, the only salvation is change. And the ultimate change is Jesus. I mean, because that's a constant in our lives.

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And then the last thing is verse 18 when he says, "...we pray the eyes of our hearts may be enlightened to know the true hope of our inheritance." And that's what I call the promise of being an image bearer. In other words, Jesus came and said, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father. I'm the image bearer of God.

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And he says in what the Hebrew writer says, Hebrews 1.3, he's the exact representation of the Father while he's here. But he became one of us, Hebrews 2, 14 through 18, so that now we have an opportunity to be an image bearer of him. you know, he went back to the right hand of the father where he reigns as our King. And now here we are on earth as his image bearer.

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I think John's description, Jase, is all the gospel writers had a different perspective. Matthew was definitely more on the Jewish side of things, a lot of Old Testament things.

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fulfillment of prophecy and you know definitely a jewish mindset of thinking about it luke of course being a gentile gives you a little different flavor same story but given a little different way mark obviously came from more peter's perspective because they spent so much time together but john comes in and he's the only one that starts at the beginning and really presses in on the divine nature that's why we're going to get into all the ims that are in there all that

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It's just a beautiful perspective of really understanding that Jesus really is the son of God. And yet he's also flesh. And he talks about the idea of him in him as light and life and love. And, you know, those concepts are there.

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But the only way is if you become the wind.

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So we're almost out of time. I want to read this at the end because next time we're going to dive into John 1. But sometimes you go to the end of the book, you learn some things. In John 20, verse 30, John tells you why he wrote this book. Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which John was one, which are not recorded in this book.

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But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. So he's going to tell you exactly what the whole purpose is by why he did what he did. And that's what we're talking about. The whole thing is this year is about Jesus stuff. It's about knowing him better.

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It's about having a closer walk, which is going to help every aspect of your life. I can promise you that. The closer you get to him, the better off your life is going to be. So that's it. We're out of time. We'll pick it up in John 1 next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.

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So when people see us, they should seem to say, they should see the same qualities. They should see the same compassion, the same heart for wanting to continue to bless people as he would, if he were here doing it himself. And so I just think that's a worthy goal. And while that's a one-time decision, um,

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To go all in, let's face it, all of us go through periods in our life where we have to rededicate ourselves to that process.

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I thought you were just being so overwhelmed.

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Right. And I like the idea. So you ended the last podcast by telling the story about you apologizing to Missy, which, by the way, we should never get too far along in life. We can't apologize to anybody. Right. Especially people we love the most. But I love the idea because I was thinking the exact same thing, Jace. When you first become a Christian, when you go all in, you believe you surrender.

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There is a point in time where we just get to that point where it's unmanageable where we are and we give in. And for some people, that's very young. Some people, it's older. Some people have stuff in between. I call it the proclamation of intention. In other words... I'm proclaiming I want to be a follower of Jesus.

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But one of the things, as you mentioned, in the last podcast about just sharing with people. And because the human nature of part of us, once we see things from perspective, we've grown, we appreciate the blessings in Christ. We tend to only want to gravitate towards other people who are right there at that one place, but that's not what Jesus did.

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You mentioned about the biggest issue was the people he ate with, right? The people he interacted with and, religious leaders of his day were like, why would you be doing that? I mean, these people don't know anything. And he's like, that's the point. That's why I came here. So if you think about how that relates to us, we should have interactions with people who don't have a clue yet. Yeah.

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And according to Ephesians 1.13, when that happens, we receive the Spirit of Christ. We are included in Him. It says we're marked in Him with the deposit of our resurrection, the Holy Spirit. But then, and I brought up Ephesians 1.17.18. For me, it was just kind of my theme verse for this year, even though we're going to be studying John.

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And look, the more you grow, the more you should always be able to help other people grow. I mean, that's just part of the natural process. Over the course of the holidays, there were two different occasions in our home, in our southern layer, Lisa and I, sharing a meal, having some of our friends over. different places of their own Christian walk. Some are new Christians.

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Our lovely crock pots are never a bad appendage. They're never a bad backdrop.

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It wasn't as bad as dad. Did they start playing music to get you off?

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Yeah, that's what happened to dad. At CPAC one year, they literally did like the Oscars. It was like, music's playing, the lights are lowering, please get Phil off the stage. I've been there. I've had music start calling.

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Holy cow. Wouldn't that be something, Kimberly? That's where we were.

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35 years. Don't you feel like that's like your life mantra now? After 35 years, I'm doing my best.

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I'll tell you this. I've actually met, we have a couple at our church that met online.

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All right. Jace, I guarantee you there's people in here that have been married longer than five years that listen to this podcast and met online.

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Yeah, and they're like, you just started at the bottom because then it's only, we can only go one direction. That's exactly right. It's not a bad strategy. It's pretty good. Not a bad strategy at all.

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This is truth. Yeah, I see your point.

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Well, we'll hear from the audience.

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Tell us what you think about online marriages.

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Yeah. I mean, which are typically it's typically a rough crowd. You know, right. You think about it's a hard job. Exactly.

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It was actually, we've talked about this before, it is this overlay of what's happening here with the Old Testament when Jesus goes into the wilderness. How long does he go for? 40, 40, he fasts for 40 days. 40 days. And which is, that is very similar to the 40 years that Israel spent in the wilderness.

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So I think that this, these timeframes, the places, the comparison to the different prophets of John the Baptist and all of that, Jesus being a new Moses like figure. I mean, there's all this is kind of imagery is in this text and in this picture of what we're seeing in the gospel of John and all the gospels for that matter. These aren't random. That's what I'm saying.

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This isn't a random thing that's happening.

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But you do have a dock. I just realized that. Jace, did you know he had a dock?

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You can't separate what John the Baptist is doing from the story of the Old Testament because Jesus is actually living into this story. He's coming to show that he is the fulfillment. of the story that he's coming in. It says here in John 1, 32, and John bore witness, I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove and remained on him.

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I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, he on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, that is he who baptizes me. And he says before that, the reason why he was called to even do this was to reveal through this baptism, to reveal to Israel who this Christ is. So that's in verse 31.

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So part of what's happening here is because John's baptizing people that were from Israel. This is not Gentile baptism. This is people from Israel. These are Jewish people being baptized for repentance. Then Jesus comes in who has no need to repent. And John's like, why am I baptizing you? You should be baptizing me. You have no sin. Well, the reason is that he might be revealed to Israel.

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That's what verse 31 says. So that puts this whole baptism in the context of all of the prophets of the Old Testament. And this moment here is super important to the whole story of how God's redeeming all of humanity today. But it starts right here in a moment where he is going to be revealed by the baptism. It's going to be revealed to Israel.

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Things are coming along now. We are getting back to, well, I'll say normal. It's going to be a while, but It looks like a war zone. I can't figure out how long it takes to clean stuff up, but apparently it'll take a few years.

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It is interesting that if you think about the Old Testament, and all the instances of water in the Old Testament, and particularly when it comes to salvation. Some of the ones I think about, one is obviously the waters in the days of Noah. There's a salvific message there that Peter says that eight people were saved through the water, and that water symbolizes baptism, which now saves you also.

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Then there's the parting of the Red Sea. And then there was also the parting of the Jordan River whenever they crossed into the Promised Land.

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But if you go back to think about the parting of the Red Sea, and Israel goes through this wall, the water separates, Israel goes through the center of it, and then all of their problems, which would be the Egyptians, are in their path behind them, and the water swallows up all of that. And the water takes on all of the problems, all the sin, all the issues. It's all in that water.

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Same thing with going through the Jordan River. So when you think about the water as holding the sins of the people, the issues, the problems, people typically go into the water of baptism and repentance to get clean. It's like I'm going into the water. The symbol is that the water cleans. It washes my sins away. I come out clean. I go in dirty, and I come out clean.

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And then you have this moment where Jesus goes in clean into a sin-infested water. Jesus goes in and takes on the sins of the people. So I think even in this, you are seeing elements of the cross.

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You're seeing a picture of the cross that's coming, the cross of Calvary, the atonement of Christ that's coming, that Christ goes in and he goes into the sin-infested water clean and comes out with the sins of the people. It really is pretty profound to think about everything that's happening in this moment with John the Baptist baptizing Jesus.

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What do you think the comparison, what's the Old Testament, what does he mean when he says that he was in the spirit, came in the spirit of Elijah? What's the correlation you think?

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It took you back to your childhood. It took me back to my childhood. Because your house, if I remember, because I came in from Florida during Christmas and the summer times, and it did always have an odor of, not the house, but the yard always had an odor of dead fish.

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I know you think I'm kidding, but I'm not. You're not trying to make a connection that's not there. You're being serious right here.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. It's been a little bit of a break. I feel refreshed. I've been to a tropical island, Jace. I mean, I am chomping at the bits to be back at Unashamed. Got a little bit of a break, and Lisa and I celebrated 40 years of marital bliss. If there was any more bliss, Zach, I would be a blister. That's, that's, that's how, how great.

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I know. One of the reasons I'm so excited about today, Jase, is because you sent me a picture of And all you said was, I got some podcast material, and the picture blew me away. So I've been waiting. I didn't even contact you, so I don't even want to hear it until we're sitting right here.

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Putting it back together. So check out Zach's new podcast. I'm sure it's fantastic. I haven't listened to it yet, Zach, but I plan on it. Just to see how it works. We'll put the link in the show notes.

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None of that. Well, good. That's good to know. You can just adopt some more. So our guest today is Skinny Santa. Hey. Mack Owen, one of our favorite people. Mack's been on before, and we kind of gave his backstory from the Raboan days of Zach and – were co-owners of all of our hunting property at one time. Yeah. And which is fantastic. So we go way, way back, back as one of the original duck men.

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And so, and also had been at our church for many, many years. Now he's in Colorado. He looks like Santa now. So, and I hear you're actually going to be doing some.

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It is. It's the kids. It's on the lap. You got to make sure.

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So that would be, and maybe they could have a future like look, you know, when Matthew gets older before he's martyred and all of a sudden you're there, you're, you're actually Matthew.

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Jason and I were both there, and we had just started into the School of Preaching, or that was the year we started.

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And so we had just come back to White Street Road a year or two earlier.

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Look, through the years, there have been thousands of people that responded with a lot of heart-wrenching, heart-opening stories. But there's a handful through the years of my years at WFR, which now are 50 years for me at WFR, since I was 10 years old. And Mac and Mary that night was one.

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Which ironically was about dad's age. Bill was 28. I was 28. So it was the same kind of.

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And Mac would write out the gospel symbols. that we always used, and then put verses underneath them. And then you would give it to the person who had been studied with. So it was like if they didn't decide that night they wanted to do anything else, you'd say, here, here's something for you to contemplate what's been talked about. So you were like the scribe. Right, right. The early scribe.

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I see a text to Dallas Jeek is coming up from this conversation.

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No, everything was straightforward. Well, it was real blunt. And just to show you the picture, because those of you who have been listening to the podcast for a long time, you know it's always been a part of just our DNA. And Mac was an early part of that as well. But we were also making hunting videos.

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You guys started buying some property down there, which then led to our whole hunting situation.

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Mary was like, no, that's a terrible idea.

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All of a sudden, they wanted you to go be land bearers.

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And so real life was happening, but then lives are being changed. And so our whole relationship was that. And I thought about it, Mac, yesterday they did the song, My Chains Are Gone, the Amazing Grace, kind of the updated Amazing Grace. And as soon as it happened, because I knew you were preaching, it just, man, it just, the memories flooded back.

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Because the first time we ever did cardboard testimonies, at WFR was something you and Mary had found on the internet from somewhere in California. And we looked at it and we thought, that's us. I mean, you talk about have some cardboard testimonies here at WFR. And so I just never forget that first time we did it. And we've done it many times since, by the way.

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And that first group that came through and the last couple that was there, and they're still there, by the way, they had these chains that they had around their wrists and they just dropped them because their whole marriage had fallen apart, but then God put them back together. And that song was playing. And so, you know, we all got chills just from the whole setting of that whole morning.

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But I thought, man, to get to do ministry with people at some point in your life. And now you guys are doing your thing, which I want to hear more about. And we're doing our thing. But it's like you share those moments. And it's all about people. It's all about lives being changed and literally changed being, you know, setting people free. That's right. And it literally is all about people.

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So tell folks what you're doing now because you started our Celebrate. The reason you were in town was because we were celebrating 20 years of our Celebrate recovery. And we're recreating the first sermon series we preached, which led to you guys starting on that New Year's Eve that year. And so we're redoing that this year. And Matt got to come back.

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And this weekend was kind of the big celebration weekend for the whole thing. So you spoke at CRO Friday. Right. You spoke at WFR yesterday.

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Yes. Pretty cool. Which was awesome. Yeah.

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And then one of those guys did the communion talk yesterday. Like only he can. And he talked about fishing and, in the solitary confinement area.

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That's what I thought. I thought, where is he going? So Rucker, as you all know, Rucker's been on the podcast a few times. And he told this story that only Rucker can in a communion talk where he winds up in prison. He said, you know, I was incarcerated. And then he tells the story. But it was beautiful the way he brought it back around the idea that we commune together no matter where we are.

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And so he talked about it even happening in prison, which is pretty amazing. That's the legacy, right? But those guys are doing amazing. And every time I see them up together because they kicked off this series, I think about, Matt, just how God had.

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had opened up yours and mary's hearts to do what we're doing now and so you guys went to colorado and then still involved and engaged in celebrate recovery at the national level and for the last few years you guys have been everywhere right right i don't even know how many countries we're in but you know i've been somewhere every weekend since september doing a seminar or conference and

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Yeah. And I had actually seen a news story before you sent me a picture. I had seen a news story. They had made news at this event from the auction the night before from a good friend of ours, Zach, an old pal. They had auctioned off like a two-day thing with somebody, and it made the news. So I was like aware of this event, not having any idea anything about what's going on.

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Yeah. Sounds like what Jesus would do. Exactly, which is what we say all the time. And I love it. You mentioned yesterday. I want to talk a little bit about your sermon because – And it really leads in great. We're in Colossians 3, and I told you it was really amazing. You were like, well, I'm going to talk about Colossians 3 a little bit in my sermon.

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It's just like Missy and Mar-a-Lago. The moment is real. So you told a story yesterday. I've known you, Mac, for 40 years. And you told a story yesterday that I had never heard before. Okay. I never heard this story.

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Yeah. And I asked Lisa, I was like, did I just forget? How could I forget this story? Because it was so amazing. and you worked it into your sermon, and I'll let you tell what that is, but about something that happened when you were a teenager or to someone you know. Now, I was a little confused about where it happened.

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1975. Yeah, so tell the story and then tell kind of how that point fit into your larger lesson.

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Yeah, a couple weeks later you met him. And then y'all became best friends. Became best friends. You're in high school at West Monroe. This is March of 1975. Correct. Which before you tell the rest of the story, let me give you a little, oh, by the way, this was going on. The exact same time this was happening in this story, our family was falling apart.

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And that's right before we came to West Monroe. In the movie, The Blind, the night when dad kicks us all out, that happened in the early summer of 1975. So it would have been just a couple of months after this story. And then we wound up here, and then dad would come later and then become a Christian. So all that happened in that same time. Wow.

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When you were telling me this, I was getting chills because I thought, Matt probably didn't know that. But when all these things were happening in this story, literally that which was dead in our family, became alive, you know, not too long after.

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And that you have to put to death literally. Right. Uh, which you, you'd made such a strong point about, you were talking about a small group that had met years later in your wood shop. And I'm sure I've been to that by the way. And we all have at different points. And, You said in that, you guys were talking about this idea, how do we put something to death?

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And that some quiet guy in the group said, you don't feed it. Right, stop feeding it. Stop feeding that which kills you. And I just thought that was such a say and important point because even the case of Dane, who you mentioned, who I got to think about, I guess he would have been about 17 when this happened to him because you guys were juniors in high school.

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And so he was halfway through his life at that point not knowing.

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But he had the second half to do something that he couldn't do or didn't feel like he could do. And it cost him something. And so I just thought that made such a great point that the idea is we have time to do the right thing if we'll do the right thing. And if we don't, we run out of time. Yeah. You know, which is powerful.

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I was watching yesterday from – we were driving home, and so we were watching on Facebook. And so we got to see the livestream host, which was the other half of the dynamic duo that now lead our Celebrate Recovery ministry, was Derek McQueen and his wife Kayla. And he mentioned something – I think it was after your sermon – about a lesson he had heard and someone taught.

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And I had never heard this before, but I looked it up and he's right. There was a form of Roman punishment, which you'd think crucifixion would be bad enough. But they had another one for special cases where they would strap a dead body onto someone and literally link them together. And they had to carry that dead body around. It was a form of punishment.

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And what would happen was they would get sick and die. because of carrying around a rotting corpse, but they were talking about it, it was the same point you were making. If you can't separate death from life, you die in a physical sense, but it's also in a spiritual sense that does the exact same thing.

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Yes. And I was so, at first, my first thought, Jace, was somebody's photoshopped it.

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By the way, that word renewed, the only other place it is other than Colossians 3 is the one you just read, which means to be revived.

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Well, yesterday, Derek said something really beautiful on the live stream around the sermon, Mac. And he said, because he asked Kayla, what do you appreciate about Celebrate Recovery? So she gave her answer. And then he said, for me, Celebrate Recovery brought me to the feet of Jesus. And I love that idea.

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And I want you to speak to that because you mentioned AA, which especially back in time, AA has been around a long time, definitely has spiritual principles, higher power, but also has made it a little more about not doing something in terms of adding something. I feel like the evolution now of recovery ministry is,

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especially with what you guys do at Saddleback and with Celebrate Recovery, is that you get people to Jesus, and that's where the fulfillment takes place. And that's why John Baker and all those guys brought in the Beatitudes and the idea, we can't just get you off of something. You can't just quit doing something if something doesn't fill it up.

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It's like when Jesus said, if we kick out the seven demons, but nothing goes in, or kick out the one demon, seven are going to come back. Right, right. So talk a little bit about that, the idea of what you guys, because to me, that's what makes Celebrate Recovery different in terms of what it's trying to accomplish, to get people to Christ.

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Well, and yesterday, Mac, I got chills and tears when you were describing your experiences, because I have similar ones about our church here at WFR. And all of us have that experience. And no matter where we go, you've been gone, you may have been gone for several years, but WFR is still home. Jackson, North Carolina, but WFR is still part of his home DNA.

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It's the same with Jason and I. I'm back and forth. I'm all over the place. But you honored it because you said this has always been a church that says we'll take anybody. And really that's what the church is and should always be is the place that we'll take anybody.

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We have a list of T-shirt ideas. Yeah, we got a T-shirt, guys, so we're good. We're out of time. You know it's a good podcast. It feels like we just started. Mac is going to be on the Duck Call Room, so I'm super excited about that. For those of you on the unashamed side of things that may not know this, Mac is John David's uncle. And so, you know, a lot of people may not know that. I don't know.

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Maybe you can explain what happened to John David on the duck car room.

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Once they started pushing, he's a shill.

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So Mac, it's always great to have you on. Thank you for an amazing weekend. I want to give a shout out to Mary, his wife, who's here because there is no Mac without Mac and Mary. You got that right. Just like every one of us. So thank you guys so much. We love you. We love you being a part of the kingdom and what you're doing. So thanks for coming on the show.

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You look like a blister, man. You come back from the beach. I'm back. I'm tanned. I'm relaxed. I'm ready.

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And it's like, be sure and double check this guy.

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Oh yeah. I actually got in the, got in the Gulf or the Caribbean, I guess. And, uh, swam, swam with the stingrays and pigs and sharks. There was, it was, it was quite, I did it all.

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It was fantastic. And by the way, the people in the Bahamas, the people that live there, I mean, they are, that's why I like going back there is because they're just always, they're cheerful, they're excited you're there. I mean, you know, someplace you go on vacation, people just don't seem like they're that happy you're there. But these folks.

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Well, good news is Missy's on the next podcast, so we're going to get to ask her about it. So I know she'll be humble because she's winning an award, but what a moment, right? I can't wait to hear what she says about it. All right, so we're going to take a break. When we come back, one of our favorite – Humans on planet Earth, our favorite old friends, is here in the house.

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And so we're going to talk with him. We'll introduce him. We'll come back from this break. So when a woman experiences an unplanned pregnancy, she often feels alone and afraid. And so many times her first response is to seek out an abortion. But because of you and your generosity,

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That search may lead her to a pre-born network clinic where she'll choose life, and not just for her baby, but for herself. And that's the secret of this. It's not, you know, we're protecting life, but the life of the mom and the life of the baby, of course.

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Pre-born offers God's love and compassion to hurting women and then provides a free ultrasound to introduce them to the life growing inside them. We get a lot of great stories from our friends at pre-born. One of those is Paige's story. When Paige found out she was pregnant, she didn't feel she could afford a child.

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The father threatened to make her have an abortion, but when her mother found out, she introduced her to a preborn network clinic. At the clinic... Paige was given the support and resources she needed to help her choose life, and the father there even started attending parenting classes with her. Now they're raising a beautiful son together. We love stories like that, and we love this ministry.

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Before I introduce our guest, since Jace Trump, my story to the Bahamas was Trump by literally Trump, Jace's experience. And Zach, I have to mention this because I had seen, Lisa's tracking this thing on Facebook and she keeps asking me, what is this big announcement about? that Zach and Jill are making on the podcast.

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And I was like, babe, I don't know if – it must be a surprise to me too because I don't have any idea what you're talking about. So then all these people are sending in things. Is Jill pregnant? And I'm just like, what? She better not be pregnant. I don't know how this works. So is that your new podcast? What was the deal with that?

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Did you come in ahead of Unashamed? Because now you're competing with yourself.

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Who, by the way, is your grandson. So did you put – If we're keeping score.

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Well, when you tell that story, Jace, I love the part about the P-Row that you found.

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Well, it makes it more fantastical, and it also reminded me. I think we've said it on the podcast, but it's probably been a long time ago. Dad loves to tell the story. of his first cousins that were happening along the bank of the Red River, which is over close to where they're from in northwest Louisiana.

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And they came across the tip of what they thought was a P-Row or some kind of boat, but it was obviously bigger. And it turned out to be a canoe that Indians had hacked out of a tree. It actually would have rode about 20 men. And it's in a museum over there somewhere. But they found it, the tip of it, sticking out of the bank of the Red River. So it made me think about that when you...

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We're telling that story that dad loves to tell that story.

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Which sort of was the crowning set for this season. It seemed like it kind of ended symbolically yesterday.

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The team didn't make the playoffs. Didn't make the playoffs. You're looking forward to next season.

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Well, to use your analogies that when Tom Brady left the Patriots, you know, he kind of smiled that Tampa Bay went to Zupo and New England went terrible. I mean, somewhere deep down, it was like. Yeah, you needed me. So, yeah, I think that's probably the same with Dad.

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But there's always – You still got Gronk.

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So this is, I think that was a, I had been itching to get back to John and James, you got a little transition to bring us. Cause we left off at verse six, but I want to, I want to get there, but you had a little transition for it.

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I think there's a verse in Proverbs that says, only the fool opens his mouth to show his foolishness. So you showed wisdom in that moment.

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That was at the very end. It may have been the end of Luke.

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than smart. It's better to be smart and act dumb than be dumb and try to act smart. That's what he told us.

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Exactly. That's the verse I was thinking of. That's right.

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But you think about those, Zach, it's even bigger because John takes us into this back at the beginning phrase. And so we've done this before. When you go back over to Genesis 1 and, you know, the first few verses, you see that light was literally... the life of men because you can't live without it. I mean, you can't grow food without it. You can't see without it. You can't have life.

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If our planet went dark, we'd all be dead in a short period of time. So he offered that for all mankind. And just think about it. We all have a spirit. When we're born, we have our spirit, which is life. When you see a person who's alive, you look in their eyes, you see life. They're light, as it were. I put that in quotations.

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When all of a sudden their spirit is gone, when that's left their body, it's lifeless. It's lightless. There's nothing there. But Jesus, because he came to the world, according to John, this is where it gets exciting, now brings us the opportunity to have his spirit live in us where, in essence, we never die. We're illuminated going forward, and that begins here.

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You're not just waiting for the resurrection, but the deposit that gives us life and light gives it to the point now. That's why I said in John 1, 9, which we'll get to, the true light that gives light to every man Was now coming into the world. So the beauty of it is this is that next phase that we're living in.

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So give us the postscript on the season. Was it poor? Was it medium? I mean, just based on me kind of tracking what you said on the podcast, it seems like it wasn't very good.

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So you just described, Zach, what I believe is that we hadn't used this word yet in connection to light, but you just brought in the truth element. of what Jesus brought when he brought light. And that was both in the beginning and when he came to earth. When he came to earth, he revealed that truth to us as a human being in flesh. But the idea of truth is, and look, truth is not always pleasant.

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You just described it beautifully and illustrated it with baby Ruth. But it's the same with any of us. When you live in the shadows and when there's darkness, That's where the evil one does his best work. Why? Because he doesn't want you looking at truth. He wants you to continue to live in that unpleasant place.

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He wants you to push yourself to that point of having that stroke in a spiritual sense. So he wants you to hide in dishonesty. And so that's why the light of truth sanitizes. I mean, that light changes everything when you have a realization. And that looks when we look in our own hearts and lives as Have y'all seen that movie, The Irishman, by any chance?

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Let me say it that way. But if I had watched it. We're shining light here, Zach.

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Yeah. See, Zach, I can give you praise when praise is worthy.

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Well, they actually look much better going back through because all their colors are fully out.

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I'm convinced that's why James put James 2, which he had a little bit of a later letter aimed primarily at a Jewish audience, but he had to make them understand that, look, What we believe in is crucial. It's everything. But we can't have that without living for it. I mean, he brings that vocation concept into the process to that Jewish audience.

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He said, look, I know you used to be thinking you could do it on your own. Now it's because of Christ. But that doesn't mean you stop doing it. I mean, he's called us to live.

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All right, we're out of time once again, but we'll dive back into this next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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Maybe. Maybe. A little. Jace, you look great.

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Well, I got a new studio here. Thank you. I have no lights on, Zach. This is just my brightness that's jumping onto the screen. So just so you know.

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And by the way, if you're going to look up P. Rowe because you're curious, it's P-I-R-O-G-U-E, which would never sound like P. Rowe, but go ahead. Sorry.

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So welcome back to Unashamed. If you're watching the podcast today, you'll see that I'm in my new lair, finally. Thank you, Zach, and production team, for getting me set up down here in the new lair. We bought a new house down here, and so it's taken me a little while to get transferred over, but I'm here.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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You just flipped the football to the referee just like you've been there. I let out a whoo.

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Ep 1100 | Phil Robertson Believed in the Broken—Now They Carry His Gospel Torch

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But he's only been a Christian, what, two years?

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That Phil baptized? First one, yeah.

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I mean, the last podcast we had Cy on, which y'all just left Cy's podcast. Right. Everything okay, by the way? I'm a little frazzled, but no, it's good.

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He was on fire. He's on fire. But what's interesting is Cy had brought up that my mom had said, y'all have heard this story, all y'all have heard it, that told Bill Smith, who was all of our elder and mentor, um, If you can lead Phil to Christ, he'll lead thousands. And it turned out she was right. And you were the first one.

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My parents, you know, obviously went to seminary there, and there's a whole lot of roots here, but I came back, And, uh, and that started for me a trajectory in my life that like, I didn't, I'm telling you, I was an insecure little boy projecting like, uh, I was a man, but I wasn't. And y'all may say it took a little longer to get out of that. I don't know.

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And now you've baptized quite a few people. You've led quite a few people to Christ yourself.

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That's part of the DNA. And then so 1974?

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Seventy-six. So then you guys, you're pouring footers at OCS.

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But you've probably done a few other things too, right? Oh, yeah. Are you all dating at this point?

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Jace, when's the last time you bought a house? Oh, it's been years, Zach. Years. Al, what about yourself? It's been months for me, Zach. Well, you're like me. You buy them on a more consistent basis. So here's the deal.

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I want to tell you, though, that if you're going to make a big decision, like a big money decision, like buying a house or getting a mortgage or anything like that, you have to find someone that has the right information,

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But, uh, but being, being around you guys was, and being around Phil and just the DNA of the ministry at White Street Road was amazing. I would say that I came into a renewal movement, a revival that was happening. So I want to talk about that if you guys are cool with that.

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That's 888-888-1172 or visit AndrewandTodd.com. That's AndrewandTodd.com. Let's go back to the 70s. I've seen a picture of y'all, by the way. Y'all were like you and your brother, and you guys were like, oh, gee, man, y'all had that big ass.

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If you're listening, the hair is bouncing.

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Like a beach ball in the head.

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It's just 100% bliss, right? Oh, yes. No problems at all.

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So tell a little bit about your early journey, because I think this all intersects, by the way. This is like that movie Crash, where there's all these different things, but they all intersect in the end. But talk about y'all's early story.

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So also I thought it was interesting when we started, you guys were taking out your hearing aids too.

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I want to ask a question of Paul real quick, because you're at the church. I am. At this moment. I am. Before this moment. Yeah. Was that, I mean, was that, there was a church, a place where you kind of. Well, yeah.

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The heart was there, but it was like, what's about to happen is a shocking moment.

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Because that's what happened, right? Ray says go down front, which that's the term we use at our church.

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True story. You go down front, though, and the way the church, the way that our church would have the altar call, you go down front, you kind of tell the preacher, hey, here's what I'm dealing with, and the preacher would say, hey, Matt comes down front. He would tell the church, and it was kind of like a prayer. But this moment was a little different than probably normal, right?

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Well, y'all both are talking about hearing aids and whistling, and I just thought that was funny because y'all were my elders, and now you're pulling out your hearing aids, you know. But we will blame Phil because you were one of the original duck men. You were in the original duck men videos. I remember there was an infamous scene of y'all spitting tobacco.

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All right, here's the quiz. Do you guys know what Cy's most prized possession is?

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Bill, if you're listening, Bill is your father-in-law who is the one who my mom brought into the bar to share the gospel with. This is the car crash you were talking about.

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You detonated your own time bomb, as Al would say. You just detonated your own time bomb. But that moment... Honestly, like when I think about the history of the church that we all were, you're still an elder there. And I served there for years, not as an elder, but I served in ministry there for years. You were an elder there. My dad was an elder. Bill was an elder.

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Like that DNA, there was a moment, something happened in that moment of the confession. You know, James 5 says, you confess your sins to one another so that you may be healed. And you guys embodied that. And that became like a reoccurring theme. You walk down the aisle, you confess. And how many times have you seen... the church just go up and surround them.

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And so you guys, then from there, y'all connect up with Phil and Kay, and y'all started a house church together, right?

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Oh, they never said that before.

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See, that's funny, because I thought so, because that's all I ever saw at the church. Never. And sometimes Phil took the responses at church, and you were like...

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Yeah, I'll just say this if you're listening. Phil would take responses at the church, and certain confessions need a little nuance when they're relayed back to the church. And Phil was unfiltered in giving it back to the church. So, yes, I think y'all may have elders. Y'all may have collectively decided, Phil, you don't get to do the responses anymore.

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You brought your beautiful bride, Mary Whitney, Mac and Mary Owen. Mentors of mine, mentors in the faith of me and Jill. Mary, good to have you here as well.

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Well, then they did this slow motion. So now you had the tobacco spray.

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If we would have had Facebook at the time, it would have went viral, but it was like a moment. It was really a moment in hunting history right there.

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I like the duck blind almost.

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Jill, Cozy Earth, what do you know about them?

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Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, we've refitted our bed with Cozy Earth sheets. They have the softest, most breathable bedding and pajamas that you've ever worn. In fact, me and Al have the same exact pajama pants. I'm going to see if we wear them tonight together. That's very sweet when we do that. That's weird. It is weird. They even got bamboo sheets that are an absolute game changer.

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I think that's what we have is the bamboo sheets. And you'll sleep like a rock because Cozy Earth keeps you cool when it's hot. I don't know how it does this, but warm when it's chilly. It's weird how it works, but it works. The best part is that you can try Cozy Earth risk-free for 100 nights. And if you don't love them, you can send them right back and get your money back.

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And their bedding is made from fabric that won't peel. It's got a 10-year guarantee on it. Missy has Cozy Earth pajamas. We have Cozy Earth pajamas and sheets. Al has. We are a Cozy Earth family, so don't put it off. Take care of yourself so that you can take care of what matters most, which is your family.

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Visit CozyEarth.com slash Unashamed or use our code Unashamed for 40% off sheets, towels, and more. And if you get a post-purchase survey, let them know that you heard about Cozy Earth right here on the Unashamed podcast. That's CozyEarth.com slash Unashamed, or use our code Unashamed for 40% off. Sleep better with Cozy Earth. It's crazy.

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I love it. Well, okay, so here's what I want to do, because I was at an event recently, and I've sat under y'all's teaching and leadership, like, really, in most of my formative years of, like, coming into my own faith. So I've heard a lot of these stories before. But sometimes you hear them in a new way, you know?

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As you guys are saying this, I'm thinking about, okay, this is kind of the cool crash moment, like God's sovereignty. I think about Acts 17, that God has determined the exact times and places that all men should live so that they would seek him out, perhaps finding that he's not far from each one of us. The story is interesting because my mom,

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Before you were married to your wife, my mom goes to Bill Smith, your future father-in-law, and says, you need to go talk to my brother because he needs to hear about Jesus and he'll listen to you. And eventually he did, and he becomes a Christian who then leads you to Christ and who, by the way, then you married the pastor's daughter who led Phil.

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I mean, and you were the first person that he led to Christ, which your dad was the one who was partner with his father-in-law and started the church that we're all a part of. And then now you're coming back in through the back door, right?

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And now you're learning to share the gospel by sitting with Phil and being the first you would describe it, that you became a gospel presenter in your own right, right? And then now my mom's son, me, enters in a broken guy, just an insecure kid, back into this same system. And then literally, if you say, name your spiritual heroes, you two are in that mix. Bill's in there for sure.

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You guys are in there. Bill's in there. But you guys taught me and Jill how to do what we're doing. Now we're in North Carolina.

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in the embers of the revival that started at White Street Railroad, when you went down with your wife to confess your sin, now we're in the middle of a revival in Bright Mountain, North Carolina. I mean, it's like God's sovereignty and the kingdom of God is on fire.

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He repented for that publicly, which was like... Yes, he did. Again, going back to the confession thing, I mean, Bill, he was a hard man, but he was a truth seeker.

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And so I went to a, I guess it was a men's retreat in Searcy, Arkansas, and you were there. I had seen you. It was good. It was amazing. And you told your story, and I'd heard it before, but man, something was, not something, someone was moving in the room that day. And your story is so vulnerable. It's so raw. It's so powerful. And it definitely intersects with Phil.

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Yeah, because as that unfolds, you guys end up starting the Celebrate Recovery at our church. Yeah, right. Which was kind of like, at the time, there was like, we kind of had a, you had a ministry called Overcomers. Overcomers. Which you had a few guys. It was, you know, we'd like, oh, that's Maxwell. You know, the thing he does. And then, well, then it became.

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And now you're an elder at that church overseeing part of that ministry that you started at the church. And you guys now have gone on to do—you're in Colorado, but you're leading, helping lead the Global Celebrate Recovery Ministry.

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Right. What do you guys do there?

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It's so good. I was thinking that this verse came to mind because normally we have a Bible study on here, but I think this is like so good to hear. I really want our audience to hear about the DNA that really Phil embodied and was a huge part of it. And I feel certainly a main character in his own right. I said that on our podcast. He said, yeah, Phil was a main character and I was a sidekick.

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But truthfully is that Jesus is the main character, and that we're all his sidekicks, and we're all part of this kingdom thing that we talk about on this podcast all the time, that the kingdom of God is here, the kingdom of God is now. Yes, we're waiting on the full fruition of it. Yes, we're waiting on the second coming.

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But the Bible, Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the kingdom of God. The kingdom is an offensive thing that will storm through the gates of hell And I think about the ministries that we're all a part of now that the Holy Spirit's allowed us just to be in. I mean, when I went to that thing with you, like I'm telling you, it was to see...

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the men in that room confessed the things that had, it was so raw and so real. And it was, and I had just whites free road DNA all over it. It had the DNA of you, you guys all over it. It had Phil's DNA, all of my mom. It was like, I said, for me, it was more than just seeing healing and happening. I was like, this is our DNA. This is the DNA of the kingdom. This is what we've been a part of.

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And, um, I wanted to read this to y'all as encouragement. Hmm. One of my favorite verses in the Bible now. This is about the role of the church. Because a lot of times we think about the role of the church in what we're called to witness to the world around us. But listen, it's more than that. Listen to what the Apostle Paul says.

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He says, this is Ephesians 3.10, that through the church, the manifold wisdom of God might be made known to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. Wow. And I think about that. What we've been able to be a part of is making the manifold wisdom known, not just to the world, to the rulers and the authorities that are sitting in the heavenly realms.

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You want to talk about a calling as the church, that is a calling.

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Um, and I could feel just in the room that like, like it, God started to move. And after you told your story, I mean, it like change started to be broken. I mean, confession started to happen. Healing started. It was pretty powerful.

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Cosmic stage. It's a cosmic stage that we are in. That's good.

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In the heavenly realms, they're like... Well, one of the benefits of sitting under someone's pastoral leadership is that you remember things that they have said over the years, and they stick with you. And you said something. I don't know where you said it, but I know you said it. It was, I think, at a funeral, and I can't remember whose funeral it was, but you mentioned Hebrews 12.1. Mm-hmm.

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You know what I'm about to say? Oh, I do. I want you to share that because now Phil is in this. I know you probably aren't going to write that name down in your Bible.

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I don't know. I don't think I can add anything to what you just said, so we're going to end with that.

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I love you guys. Thank you all for coming on. Thank you.

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Wow, because he had confessed something in that moment in front of probably 100 men or 80 men. And he was the elder of the church. And he was in his 70s. He said, I hadn't told anyone this, and something happened to me when I was eight years old. I've never talked about it until, I haven't even told my wife. He said, but I'm going to tell you all something.

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And he confessed something that had happened to him.

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So there was something that happened at White's Ferry Road, at our church, that... What I have witnessed when we were all together was a movement of God that, like, we have all seen so many people come to Christ from the most broken places that you can ever imagine. And I think a lot of that started somewhat with your granddad, who was in the movie, The Blind. Your dad, sorry.

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Your dad was in the movie, The Blind, out in Howard. Your brother played Alton Howard in the movie who gave Kay the job. So all of our stories intertwine here. So Phil comes to faith, I think, in 19—what was it? I think 74. 74-ish. So he's two years out. He goes—I think he teaches school at Ouachita Christian High School.

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So what happens from there?

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So what's Phil like in this moment? I guess he's a few years older than you.

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Yeah, he's young. So what are you thinking? Are you thinking this guy's cool or what are you –

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They're 9,000 feet elevation, right?

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All right. So here's what I got here. This is IQ Sense, Chef IQ. Here's what they look like. These are thermometers. Jill, you got to benefit from these recently, right?

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They're a wireless thermometer that you can use if you like to cook and smoke meats, which I do. So I've been using... I've just got mine in about two weeks ago, and I think I've already used them about 10 times. They're amazing. Because what drives me... nuts about cooking meats, whether it's steak or chicken, whatever it is.

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If you use a standard thermometer, they typically have like these cords on them. Then you got to find a place to put the base and all that stuff. It's a nightmare.

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Welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. I was wondering which one it was. Yeah, so if you're listening, I had to rephrase it because I got mixed up there for a second. But yeah, Al and Jace are still not back with us yet, but they'll be back in the next episode. And so in the meantime, we brought in some dear friends. Mac, you've been on before. Yep.

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Lose all the parts. And I can never find it. These are so simple. You just stick the thermometer in the meat. It's a wireless thermometer. A thermometer, you can put your base by your grill and then walk away. I have it tied to my iPhone, and it cooks it to the exact temperature that I want it to be cooked at.

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That's what I was thinking. And we got Paul Stevens, too, one of my other favorite guys in the world, mentors. Both of y'all are former elders of mine, so I sat under your eldership and leadership for many, many years. So, Paul, welcome to the podcast.

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And so I cook my steaks to about 125, and I bring them off and let them rest for a few minutes. And all I do, I stick the thermometer in, I walk away, I get the alert on my phone, I walk out, I pull the steaks off, and they're cooked to the perfect temperature. I've never used a meat thermometer so amazing. I love Chef IQ.

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Yeah, so here's what we're going to do today. We're still in the week of just talking about Phil's life, what he meant to all of us. And so one of the things I want to do today, have you guys on, because y'all are kind of in the thick of it with Phil. I mean, at the peak of... I would say his ministry, you guys were in the trenches.

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And then you got kicked out of school.

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They were starting Washtenaw Christian at this moment, right? Correct. Which your dad... was involved in that, right?

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Oh, yeah, absolutely. So you're in for a treat. I'm telling you both, and all these stories intertwine, so we're going to talk a little bit. I want to hear both of y'all's, all y'all's stories today. And really... Thinking about my own life, and I came into the church at White Street Road in 1996, 1995, actually, summer after 95, three camps you had.

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Maybe not a Kenny Rogers. Like a Kenny Rogers, white would be a little shocking.

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I'll tell you, I will tell you this. And, um, And Jason actually did reach out to me. Actually, I reached out to him in the middle of the trip. He did.

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He never reached out to me, Dave, so that tells you something. Actually, I did call you, Al. You just did not answer. Yeah, I was not answering. And then your phone said that you weren't accepting phone calls. I don't know what that means.

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Did you feel like the Holy Spirit was speaking to you in that moment? Did you receive that from God? That's a word from the Lord? Or how did you receive that, Jase?

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Even though Missy said we shouldn't talk about the trips. I know, we're going to do it. All three of us have talked about our trips.

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So he would not have been able to play for the Yankees.

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What's weird is there was a lady sitting next to me on the plane, and she started to cough. And I was like, her coughing had an English accent. Oh, wow. That's funny. Yeah. I didn't even know that was possible.

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If you really want to impact the culture, we've got to get in the arts, got to get in entertainment. I think quality films are super important. The stories we tell, they shape the imagination of the culture.

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That was pretty funny. No, I mean, I'm not joking. Like, as I'm listening, I really think she's British because her cough had an accent to it. Yeah, that's funny.

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The water to wine. Yeah. Well, I always grew up hearing that that wine was non-alcoholic wine. Did y'all talk about that?

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Yeah, they had a whole – I don't know how they got there, but they got there somehow.

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What they're getting at there is they're saying that Jesus, they're basically, people who teach that are teaching that God is not triune. He's not a trinity. He is one person that manifests himself in Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He has different forms, but it's only one person. It's actually, it's heretical.

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So what they're actually proposing is not – it's just not biblical because God's clearly three distinct persons in one being. So that's really – what that is, it's an anti-Trinitarian view of the Godhead, and I think it has serious implications.

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gentile hordes and the little g gods yeah you know so yeah anyway i didn't want halloweens little halloweens jace i i did i but i want to tell al i i did tell jace this because he was like i mean did you do anything that you were supposed to do there And I do think that Jace thought that I was only going to secure a spot for him to treasure hunt. Once he told you, that's exactly what he thought.

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Yeah, it's tough. You know? organized religion when I was in the sixth grade I remember a fifth grade actually and my dad you guys remember this he was like I'll never step foot in a church building again so most of my like like teenage years, was in revolt against the institutional church. I've since come back. I still think the institutional church matters, and I think that it can be redeemed.

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For community and a lot of different reasons.

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Don't give a gift and start crying about it. I'm almost tempted to put up a picture of me and Al in our pajamas when we both walked in the same room with the same exact cozy earth pajama set on. Because I want to put the caption, who wore it better? Al, who would you say wore it better?

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But it was an add-on to my current trip that we went, because we went to the ARC conference.

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I would forego my ban on matching pajamas only if it's Cozy Earth because Cozy Earth really does have the softest, most breathable pajamas and bedding for that matter. We got the sheets as well that you'll ever own. I'm telling you though, the bamboo sheets have, it's an absolute game changer. I promise you, I'm using these sheets myself.

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I realize that when we talk. But let me tell you what I did secure. So I didn't secure, I haven't closed the deal yet, but I did establish a relationship with an individual whose uncle has a castle in England.

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I would add probably one more thing, too. If you think about New Exodus language, which I love to see that in the New Testament as being Jesus' mission as almost like an arrival of a new Exodus in all the Gospels, but if He's like a new Moses, which I think we would argue that He is, some scholars would say that, well, what was Moses' first miracle? Turning the water into blood.

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This is kind of like a mirror of turning the water into wine. Then there's also the imagery of that Jesus is bringing plenty. He's bringing excess. He's kind of bringing the party. And I think what's happened in the way I grew up, at least in fundamentalist Christianity, was that everything was like a negation of something. Don't do, don't do. Everything was about the stuff you can't do.

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But Jesus came for the life of the world, as we're going to see when we get to John 6. He gave his flesh for the life of the world. So I think this wedding, picture of a wedding, that comes up quite a bit in Scripture too, that we are the bride of Christ.

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And if you think about the kingdom of God, it's almost like we're in this preparation for this incredible party and this incredible feast and this incredible wedding when there's that final consummation of Christ's second coming. I think all that imagery is in this moment. And so there's a whole lot in the Old Testament about wine bringing joy.

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Now, yes, can wine be abused and can you get drunk on wine and just get sloshed and get out of your mind and which leads to debauchery, as what Paul says in Ephesians 4. But there is a healthy and biblical use of the enjoyment of wine as seen in this text here. I believe that it can be enjoyed. I do believe that it is a gift from God.

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And I do believe in this passage, you're seeing something really beautiful about the God that we serve in the coming of His kingdom.

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The best way to handle something like this, in my opinion, is... always look for what is the redemptive version of whatever the thing is. And so like when, yes, you see alcohol is obviously used by a lot of people to get drunk and live in debaucherous ways. Is there a redemptive, is there anything redemptive about alcohol? I think there is. I think that there is certainly a fine wine.

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I'll tell you this. I mean, think about something that takes a craft to create. Like no one's going to sit there and just get sloshed on something that took years and years and years to develop and to curate. And I think there is a story here. Some of my friends would. Yeah, some of your people might have got a lot of money. But like when he says here that everyone serves the good wine first,

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This is in verse 10. And when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now. Well, what's the point he's saying there is that at these wedding feasts, typically in the cultural moment of this time, what you would do is you would serve the good wine first.

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And then when everybody got a little tipsy, then you start serving the trash wine when people don't notice the difference. But what they're noticing about Jesus here is that he actually is saving the best for last. And there's a picture there, one, of how Jesus saw alcohol, but more importantly is in the intention of the heart of God. The firstfruits are just that. They're firstfruits.

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Yeah, I went back to the homeland where we're still considered tyrants. Who's we? Americans. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, they don't like us.

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What we're experiencing now in the kingdom, it's a foretaste. of glory divine, but Christ always brings the best last. And it goes to this excessive love that God has for us. When God doesn't just answer a prayer a little bit, He doesn't just fulfill a promise. Think about the promise that He made to Abraham.

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Did He just barely fulfill that, or was that promise far beyond what Abraham could have ever imagined? We're sitting here 2,000 years after Christ came, And I don't know how many years after God gave that promise to Abraham that I'm going to make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky.

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I can almost promise you that Abraham would have never in a million years imagined that thousands of years later, He would have spiritual grandchildren on a podcast in a place called the United States of America talking about this promise. He would have never imagined that. But that's what God does. He always over delivers. Yeah, that's a great point.

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I think it's too different. I think the clearing of the temple has happened more than once. I think that what's happening in John 2 is not the same event that happens in Mark 13.

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I didn't get that deep into the negotiations.

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But that's a strong lead. That's a strong lead.

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A security relationship with a gentleman whose uncle owns a castle in England.

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okay so I feel like we got that's something yeah but it wasn't a strikeout it wasn't a strikeout it wasn't a home run either but I mean it was a walk or maybe a ball but the conference I was at I think we're still at the plate yeah we're still at the plate we're first base we're first base the conference I was at though you gotta keep in mind it was not like this it wasn't like the

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It was people from all over the world. So it was a mixed crowd. I didn't know who was who.

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No, I carried myself. You were our representative. Well, you know, my buddies from England and every –

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4th of july he sends me a text that says happy happy tyrants day that's what he says that's what he says happy tyrants day so i guess it's perspective of the world we threw the yoke off and they're still grappling about it we did one of them it was interesting they got the uh we went out to oxford uh to c.s lewis's house which was pretty cool that would be awesome and um

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But they don't want to do it. You guys know what happens on April 15th?

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Was it just a little cottage, little humble place? It's called the kilns.

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So here's what I will disavow the Yankees. I'm not a Yankees fan. I grabbed a hat.

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What is a Duck Dynasty beer? Okay, so let me break this down.

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I didn't say he was in there. But we were in there. You were. For sure. It was cool. And then they called it, there's a building in Oxford that they called the new building. And it was built in like the 1800s. That gives you a little perspective.

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Because I feel like – Yeah, I can't support that anymore.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We got, we were having, I guess, what would you call it, Jason? An old man conversation?

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I got to establish that, assess and blame. But you know, another issue is Jay's for, for dad, um, They have, is it scoliosis? I think is the term for it, where you have these issues with your back and shoulder and a curvature, right? And so that's in our genetics. Several of dad's siblings have dealt with that. Phyllis has it as well. So, you know, there are other factors.

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You get arthritis as you get older. And so there's just a lot going on there.

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Oh, he definitely did.

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Well, and there's no, we've discovered, I've discovered just from hearing a lot of folks as well out there, and we do appreciate your concerns, but there's no one size fits all for, you know, fixing somebody's problems. You just, you know, everybody's different and your genetics play into it. There's a lot of other stuff as well. So,

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Yeah, which I attribute to prayer.

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Are you in? I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. Maybe not a six pack.

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I'm just trying to downsize the keg at this point. The whole, where we are in our text, um, and we were talking about this on the last podcast, Jace, the, the early, like second century, which is when you start kind of you know, seeing some notes of how that worship was done. Most of it was done around the Eucharist, was done around the Lord's Supper.

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That was that time, which is, you know, and biblically you look back and see. And so it is kind of interesting that that's evolved into what it is today.

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And it's a connection. Singing is... to the heart. And it's interesting because like we, you know, it's Christmas season now. And it's interesting because obviously we have a Chris spiritual Christmas songs that we sing in association with Christ and him coming.

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But even like other songs, what is it about this time of year that, I mean, my radio station stays on one thing for the, it's been on there since Thanksgiving. And every day I'm singing these same songs I've sung a thousand times and about Christmas and about this joyful time. But it's not always just joyful.

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I was going to mention this on the last podcast that Moses and Miriam wrote a song in Exodus 15, which was out of the triumph of coming out of slavery out of Egypt. So we think about that as being like, man, what a song of tribute and deliverance. But then you go to Job 1, And Job has just lost everything he had. And in the moment, it says he fell down and he worshiped God.

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And then he had this little refrain, you know, that I came here with nothing, I'll leave with nothing, but I still honor and praise you. And I mean, the worst moment of his life He still recognized the greatness of God.

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And so and there's several more different instances, both the high of highs and the low of lows, including Jesus in between the Last Supper in Gethsemane, where he was about to go and offer himself for us. He and his disciples sang a hymn. you know, in that moment. And so, you know, which looked like a tragedy, but wound up being victory.

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So, you know, you look at all these different situations, Paul and Silas in jail in Acts 16, and you see this idea of worship. It both lifts, but it also is sometimes out of tragedy or victory. It's still that same spirit. And I think that's the part of it that, you know, Paul taps into here in Colossians 3.

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I mentioned this before. Gratitude is in all three of these verses, talking about worship, talking about what we teach, and this attitude of that. So that's pretty interesting that that tied into that.

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Which is why he led with this concept going into these next four verses. Back when we studied Ephesians, you remember before we got to 522 through 33, where he went in depth about wives and husbands and how that relates into your Christian walk. He started that with submit to one another. out of reverence for Christ.

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So he sets the tone that this starts with this idea of sacrifice and submission before we ever get into a marriage, into parenting, into indentured servitude or whatever the case may be, whatever your cultural things are going on. If it starts with a proper relationship with the Almighty, with the Creator, with the Son of God, then it's going to work.

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You're going to find a way to make it work and you're going to make it through difficult times and you're going to give him praise and you're going to have wonderful, joyous times and you're going to give him praise. So that becomes the bottom line.

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Yeah, read verse 1 too, James.

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So basically he's going to go into, like he did, I consider it like a condensed version of what he sent to the church in Ephesus about family beginning with marriage, Then, of course, talking about children and that relationship both ways. And then, of course, talking about whatever your situation is in life.

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And because you got to remember back in those days, a household, I think we said this before we talked about this in Ephesians. It's been estimated that there were anywhere from 25 to 40 percent of the Roman populations. were indentured servitude or people that some had been captured in wars. And these were people living, many of them in the homes of a Roman family. This was the family model.

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It's hard to get old is what I was thinking, but you may have another take on it.

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But you're right. That went from that process, which was terrible, but at least you could access it, to now you go and buy it, but you literally cannot get it out of the can into whatever you're trying to do. I agree, Zach.

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Look, you're right. When it comes to disasters like that, even not a huge disaster, but something like that, the wives are the best. So I was carrying a pitcher of tea, and it's a plastic bottle. tea maker thing, Jace, because we have tea makers that we use. So you know what I'm talking about. It was the thing your tea goes into. I'm carrying it. Well, it slips out of my hand.

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It was full of tea and it slips out of my hand. It hits the floor. I guess it's a plastic, but it just exploded. And shards of this plastic went everywhere. Tea is, I mean, literally on every cabinet. And I'm just standing there looking. But within 30 seconds... Lisa shows up with a ma. I mean, it's like I'm still trying to process what just happened here. You know, I'm looking at them.

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I'm picking up the thing. I'm wondering what happened. I mean, I'm in a daze and she's in like within five minutes, the whole thing. She's got everything moved out of the kitchen. She's cleaned everything up. And I was like, she's like a superhero.

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My single tagline, Jace, because now I've got them stretched out, mine are getting married, is it's all the love without the ultimate accountability. And which is a really good situation because like it's up to your kids to raise their kids ultimately. But, you know, you're part of the process, but you get to love them just like your kids.

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Man, I don't know. That sounds pretty rough. And sick kids are always difficult. But you're right. You and Missy have a ton of experience, but that doesn't mean it makes it any easier.

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You just don't have that ultimate responsibility, which is true.

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Cause if you don't, I will say this for both of y'all, um, I compliment you both because you're both in the position you're in, uh, putting yourselves out there, uh, for people, families who had needs, uh, because of, you know, their life situation. And, uh, man, that's what we need more of.

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So even though it's difficult and not always easy, uh, the fact that y'all are doing what you're doing, uh, both in adoption and also just being an assistant. is to be commended. So you have accommodations.

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There were some rules that were in place, but it wasn't overdone, which is great. It's actually, this is a great conversation for where we're headed in our text today. So when a woman experiences an unplanned pregnancy, she often feels alone and afraid. And so many times her first response is to seek out an abortion.

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But because of you and your generosity, that search may lead her to a pre-born network clinic where she'll choose life. And not just for her baby, but for herself. And that's the secret of this. It's not, you know, we're protecting life, but the life of the mom and the life of the baby, of course.

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The father threatened to make her have an abortion, but when her mother found out, she introduced her to a pre-born network clinic. At the clinic... Paige was given the support and resources she needed to help her choose life, and the father there even started attending parenting classes with her. Now they're raising a beautiful son together. We love stories like that, and we love this ministry.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We're still in a transitional phase. That's why we're still in the layer. But I did notice the studio is happening. I saw the table. I saw some of the things. I noticed, I don't know who did it. I'm assuming since there are people here from the duck call room that some of our... stuff has wound up in this room.

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So when a woman experiences an unplanned pregnancy, she often feels alone and afraid. And so many times her first response is to seek out an abortion. But because of you and your generosity, that search may lead her to a pre-born network clinic where she'll choose life. And not just for her baby, but for herself. And that's the secret of this.

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It's not, you know, we're protecting life, but the life of the mom and the life of the baby, of course. Preborn offers God's love and compassion to hurting women and then provides a free ultrasound to introduce them to the life growing inside them. We get a lot of great stories from our friends at Preborn. One of those is Paige's story.

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When Paige found out she was pregnant, she didn't feel she could afford a child. The father threatened to make her have an abortion, but when her mother found out, she introduced her to a pre-born network clinic. At the clinic... Paige was given the support and resources she needed to help her choose life, and the father there even started attending parenting classes with her.

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It's also that there's a cultural thing going on now with people because they're so conditioned to phone. They can't enjoy any moment without having to record it. So you look out and you see something amazing and you look around and there's 500 people with their phones up.

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Well, she was actually at another gathering of friends in Gulf Shores, so it was just a minute, Jase, but it was just kind of a funny – I'd never done that before. So then I get home, and Zach is cooked at my house. And what did you cook, Zach?

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Or look at it, you know, like, and you're just like, just enjoy it.

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And we're not anti, like, for years, once cell phones became part of the thing, people, we always had them, and you could communicate if you had to get a message out or whatever or look at the weather. I mean, there were some positives about it. But nobody just stayed on their phone the whole time. I mean, like, we were hunting. You're listening.

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Oh, your son-in-law. Yeah, he was staying there.

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He's like, let's just get up. But you got to remember about something about Stone. Because Stone's a little surly, and you're around him, and you're like, what's up with this story? But he was a teacher and a coach for a dozen years before he came on board with this. He was always really good at hunting and fishing. So he had that in him about –

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shaping and training young men yeah football basketball so a good coach i mean there's so many coaches that listen to our podcast and i know why because you're shaping just what you're talking about you do that through sports in our case it's through honey so jay has really taken that part of his life and now applied it in but he never stops being a teacher and a coach he's a great teacher i mean yeah i mean jay's a guy if i'm gonna cook something if i smoke a meat

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I want to give you the positive. I don't, but I learned a long time ago from dad's way more. Jace is, you know, he'll leave quicker than dad. Dad would just stay all day sometimes. Yeah. And, like, I get it all day if there's a chance we might get something because I've wrote it out.

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What I'm saying is you learn, in which those guys will be learning, if you want something to eat, you better put a few little snacks. If you don't like sardines, you better put something in your little bag. That's what Jay said.

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Dad's always said there's no retriever that's better than James.

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Now that's the strength of being a duck boy right there.

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Yeah. All my friends, he would say, he'd look over at Greg or one of those, he'd say, man, look at the physique on that young man. And we'd all look, you know, of course, they'd be like, everybody puff up, you know. And he said, grab that tub of fish. Let me see what you got there, son. And, you know, it's like he's straining and they're looking and dad's like, look at that.

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You're the person that I cannot stand to be behind at Chick-fil-A. Oh, I held the line up. Oh, I know. I'm like, what is, because this person, order and give them your credit card. What are you doing? That's what I would have been saying behind you.

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You know what she thought, though, Jase? I can tell you what she thought. She said, that old guy, that poor guy. He doesn't have any money. I had $100 in there, Al. Yeah, but she was like, you know, she looked at you. She looked at your nasty truck, and she thought, that old guy, he's just dreaming, you know. Cleaned out the couch cushions.

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All he had was you're killing any ducks. He wasn't expecting, you know, yeah or no. He wasn't expecting a how about you.

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I had my window down because I thought- I call that Chick-fil-A purgatory.

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When you get put into the little- I was in purgatory. In between. You got to wait for somebody to bring you.

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And you know they'll be telling that story. Oh, yeah.

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Actually, it's a perfect segue to where we left off, because Zach read 1 through 5, and we were talking about the life and the light, which, by the way, that's what you exhibited in that moment. You were light and life. You gave them, like, they came for a reason, but you gave them, they left with something bigger. Yeah. That's what life and light does.

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But it actually, now we're in the next two, three verses of this text, in John 1, that describes this witness, this guy who came, who was prophesied to come, Because he wanted to point people to Jesus. So your story just exactly describes the purpose of John the Baptist.

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I did want to make one comment before we move in, and I want to read 6 through the rest of 18 to set it up for what we'll be talking about going forward. But I want to make a comment about that, Zach, in verse 5. We talked about you read the light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. Does yours say that word as well?

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Okay. So that word, Greek word, I looked it up. It can go either way. Obviously, there's a little different attachment there. to whether you overcome something or whether you understand something. Of course, it's one of those classic words, is it either or, is it both and? I think it's both and. Darkness has not overcome it, but it also hasn't understood it.

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And the idea is that there's, anytime you run up on somebody, there's a potential of light and dark, I think, in any individual. And so we're talking about something being there and being offered and And then there's a choice to either be a part of it or not be a part of it. And so, you know, because if you're talking about understanding something, you're darkened by it. You're not sure.

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You don't know, and you need to know. So I think it's interesting that he uses that term.

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So I don't know if that's temporary, but I know that Duck Car Room didn't win a K-Level award. Well, they may have. No, they did not. They didn't. Not yet. But maybe we could just pass down all our stuff once we've enjoyed it for a while. We could just like a little brother. Not a bad idea. Like a hand-me-down. Let them hold it for a little bit.

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Which I think that's why that word intrigues me because you can't overcome that light. Satan couldn't overcome that light. He tried, but he couldn't. And so it can't be overcome, but at the same time, For some people, once darkness appeared, it's hard for them to understand. And so they have a choice. Because later in 2 Peter 3, he says he doesn't want anybody to perish.

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In other words, he provides light because he wants everyone to be in the light. God loves every created being he made, he loves. And so you have a choice once darkness enters the picture. Do you want to stay there? Or do you want to come into the light? I mean, the opportunity is yours.

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So I love it that that word has such a broad implication when you think about it, because you can't defeat Christ, but you can't ignore Christ.

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Something that gets you to something.

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It's just an honest thing. You remember the movie The Natural? with Robert Redford. It's like an old movie 30 years ago. The baseball movie? The baseball movie. And, you know, he had entered – he had had all these hopes and dreams playing in the major leagues, and then he gets into a bad situation. All of a sudden he disappears for like 20 years and he shows back up.

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He's still a great player, but he's – nobody knows where – so nobody knows who he is. And he comes in the office of the guy that owns the baseball team and he's been just ripping the ball. And all of a sudden everybody knows who he is and they're like, man, who is this guy? And the owner, they symbolize the sort of nefarious nature of this guy because he's dark. He doesn't like any light.

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He's got one little lamp on. He's sitting in this dark office and overlooks the stadium. It's real creepy looking. And so Redford is looking around, you know, and so they're having this conversation. He said, it's dark in here. And the guy said, yeah. He gives all the reasons why he likes the dark. And then Redford says, well, you can't see in it. you know, just like a practical.

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And so they had this argument when he leaves, he flips the light on.

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Boy, it's a Sabbath that turns sour.

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Yeah, and you should repent. All right, we're out of time. We'll pick it up next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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Exactly. You can now validate what others have said, and we say it here all the time, that when you're in Louisiana in the winter, and we only get a little bit of winter, but when you're here, and I think it's because of the moisture and humidity, And it's, you know, 30s, right around 40 degrees with the wind blowing. It's a cold that goes straight to the bone. I mean, you live in a cold place.

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I noticed somebody's got it blocked, but the wrestling belt is back there. So they pinched a few of our items for, I guess, their podcast. Yeah, I don't know how that ended up in here. I'll have to do some research on that. Yeah, get right on that, Zach. So last night was Lisa's birthday.

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You're actually going to hunt tomorrow. Is that true? Yeah, I'm going to hunt. Oh, you want to go with me?

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So you're remapping the brain is what you're doing.

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Unfortunately, she's in Gulf Shores and I'm here, but we wanted to go out and celebrate because that's what we would have done had she been here. So me and Hawk and Bill and Anna and BK went to one of our favorite restaurants and And so I just put her on speaker phones. I got a table for six and I just laid it there and called her.

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That's the other thing, Jase. We learned it early is the consequences. The consequence of ringing somebody's ears is permanent ear damage, hearing loss. The negative about if a duck gets away is a duck got away and we'll kill him tomorrow. So it's just, you know.

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The waitress came over and I was like, hey, she said, we celebrate these specials. I said, yeah, it's her birthday. And I pointed at the phone. They bring you the creme brulee or Well, she offered to at the end, but I'm trying to do better this year, and so I was like, I can't partake in that. I said, but somebody might could do that.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. We are back in our boxes, as I like to say. What did you say, Jason? It has a Trinitarian feel to it when we're separate. We're separate and yet we're one. We're in three places, but we're also together doing the Unashamed podcast.

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And he said he weighted himself down where he would have to go to the bottom. And he took pictures of. Of Cade reaching into the water. He's trying to he's trying to produce a painting ultimately from a photograph of Jesus reaching down to pull Peter, you know, out of the water when he's sinking, you know, in that in that famous scene.

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So just her description, he's he wasn't quite ready to show us yesterday because we FaceTime him. He's not here. But I'm intrigued. I'm like, oh, man, what an awesome perspective. From Peter's perspective, I've sunk in the water, but Jesus is reaching into the water to pull me up, which is pretty cool.

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Because you're right, if you weight yourself too securely.

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Well, it's funny because Cade told me, he said, well, Tony, if you would just let all the air out, you'll sink. And Tony said, yeah, but I need that air. Yeah.

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Were there any blurry creatures involved? Because we had those guys.

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Oh, that's beautiful down there. You're right.

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Let's do John 8. Y'all want to?

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And you're talking about the whole chapter.

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I thought about that when Zach said that a minute ago about the lights and the baptism. Light is such a big theme here. By the way, I met a guy at an event, which I'll tell you about in the next podcast, a veteran event, and he makes these track chairs.

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uh for disabled he had a kid that was disabled he makes these chairs and so a lot of military guys get him wonderful guy but he's a huge unashamed listener and he told me he said you guys and what you're doing especially in this study and john to tie in the old testament has been the best study of my life is the way he put it so i thank the lord because it's so much work

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But it is amazing how it's all there. You know, it's eye-opening for all of us because I'm seeing some things I had never seen before either.

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Well, let me reset first because I want us to kind of be fair with this first text because the last is to my memory because it's been a few podcasts because we had a lot of really great guests on the last few podcasts. But we were talking about this section from John 7, 53 through 8, 11, which was the woman caught in adultery. And we never really dealt with the text.

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We just talked about why it's a little bit controversial as to whether it belongs here. In some other texts, was it part of the original canon? And we kind of came up with two sort of things that have been settled on. One is that maybe with some of the early church leaders, they were a little concerned about people getting the wrong idea about what Jesus meant.

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So they left it out of the canon for that reason, which may or may not be true. Or the second one,

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which i tend to believe is true is the that this was a story that was recognized from the first century that it happened but it didn't necessarily happen in the narrative of the gospel writers and so they just stuck it here because some sometimes it's in luke sometimes it's here but uh it belongs because you know god decided to put it here which is what nt wright said he said i'm not sure where it goes but it really is a great story yeah that that fits the narrative of who jesus is

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And so that's where we kind of left off by at least setting that part of it up. But I feel like we need to read it and then talk about it a little bit before we move on to the light because that's where he's going to go from here is that. Is that all right with you all?

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All right. So he said... So remember, he's been in the... This was... He went to the Feast of Tabernacles and he spoke and his brothers had said, you know, you need to get out more. And I'm paraphrasing everything. But he goes and he teaches for this eight-day period. And then it says in verse 53, then each went to his own home. So... They sort of put it in the context of that that was over.

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But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn, he appeared again in the temple courts where all the people gathered around him and he sat down to teach them. So it's a teaching setting in the outer courts at the temple. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group. So this is obvious. This is a shaming, terrible situation.

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And said to Jesus, Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now, what do you say? And it's interesting because I went back and looked in Leviticus 20, 10 and also Deuteronomy 22, 22, which are the two law passes here. And it doesn't say in the law passes that it's just the woman.

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It says it says if a man is caught in adultery, he's to be stoned and the woman along with him. So I just thought it was interesting how they were applying this law, which was incorrect. But he didn't even go there. But that's what happened. They were using this question as a trap in order to have a basis for accusing him.

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And by the way, they didn't have any legal standing to do executions anyway. They're under Roman rules, so...

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Zach's got work boots, Chase.

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Which, by the way, is the best name ever, the Brunt. I just love it.

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But think about it, Jay, even outside of a spiritual context, a biblical context about law, it happens every day in our culture. You know, most people in government, especially in Congress, are lawyers and they split hairs and and. and misapply and use bad intent for laws every single day to push an agenda.

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So, I mean, it's so obvious how much it happens, which in my outline I put, is it adultery or hypocrisy? Because that's where we get to, I mean, really quick.

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And I thought I thought about it as I looked up the other Matthew 12 and Mark 12 and Luke 20, the one where they set a trap for paying taxes to Caesar. And because it's the same framework and in those contexts, Jesus, knowing their intent, he said, you hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? So to me, it's the same application. you know, to this situation here.

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And Zach, what you're describing is most of the New Testament, everything Paul wrote, because here was a Hebrew of Hebrew, Pharisee of Pharisees, guy who knew everything inside and out about Judaism, now tasked with sharing the good news of Jesus with the Gentile world who knew nothing.

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about all that i mean nothing they had no background so when you're talking about the passover and sacrifice and all these things that if you understand jewish history you would get it i mean these people didn't know anything and so all these letters are written about now look you know you can't have these food sacrificed idols you can't do this you can't do that i mean he's constantly trying to shape their mindset but it's once they've embraced christ

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is what's got to happen first. Do you try to teach them through everything they've ever learned wrong, or do you teach them about who Jesus is? Where do you start?

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And he'd been doing it for 40 years. It's not like it was 40 days.

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Which is totally different than 40-year-old Moses, by the way.

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Well, back to your original story you told, you won't have to wonder if it's the moment. You won't wonder, what is those lights in the sky? But you'll know when this happens, because every knee will bow down.

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When you have a compound, we also have a compound of our dogs. We started out with Rue, who was our first dog. She's a Labradoodle. Then we had Emmy because Rue couldn't play by herself. And so she needed some help. So she's a Golden Doodle. Then we had Libby because for some reason, Jay decided that Phyllis is, you know... Blue Heeler needed a new home, so now she's added to the mix.

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And Alex has a dog called Meatball. And so we're always looking for ways to take care of them and to feed them. And one of the things that we love is one of our partners, and that is Rough Greens. So we love our dogs. They're all together. And that's why it was really cool for Zach and I to meet a naturopathic doctor, Dennis Black.

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And one of the things that's interesting about Dennis is not only does he know animals and know dogs, But he's also a lover of Jesus and he wants to get the gospel preached. And so he said, you know, that's one of the reasons he walks alongside podcasts like ours. But he created Rough Greens to help take care of your dogs.

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Use the promo code unashamed. You don't have to change your dog's food to improve their health. Just add a scoop of Rough Greens.

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It was a joke. We're not claiming we're God.

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Well, Zach, that's the dirty little secret. What they didn't plan on on their way to entrapping Jesus was that they were actually confronting the only person on the planet that could condemn this woman or them or anyone else.

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And yet he chose not to. Jason, when you were reading Romans 8, immediately I went back to John 3 because this is where Paul's inspiration was for writing what you read. Because we all know John 3, 16, right? For God so loved the world, he sent his only son. But 17 says, for God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world. but to save the world through him.

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Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son. And here it is. Here's where we're going to John 8. This is the verdict. Light has come into the world. But men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

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Everyone who does evil hates the light will not come into the light for fear this deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light so that it may be plainly seen that what he has done has been done through God.

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That's right. Or roll a stone, it may roll back on you.

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What's ironic, though, is I read a series because I like some of that, like, post-apocalyptic series. And there was one that was based in Black Mountain, North Carolina, Montreat, actually. And it was a three-book series, I think. And it was about an EMP.

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Yeah. And I think that's exactly why this text is where it is, because it's a good place to put it, which is we're going to see that contradiction in the next part of the text. We're out of time. We'll we'll pick it up right here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast.

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The book series is outstanding. But in the book, well, I don't want to spoil it for everybody, but it's a country that does it. And, you know, like we're under attack.

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What was your second question?

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It's not natural. It's not natural to their habitat.

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You said that at the beginning.

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Did they ever solve the – was it an extension of the East Coast Issue North Abuse Act?

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Yeah, what did they ever say that was?

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Zach, you were telling us before we came on you had – we have a lot of experiences this last week to talk about before we get rolling today. We're finally going to get back to John 8 today. It's going to happen, so I'm going to make sure that happens. But before we do, there are some things that happen.

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That was the question the New Jersey people had.

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Got to look at that bottom line, Zach. You know, money doesn't grow on trees. I'm trying to keep it trim.

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You are of that generation.

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Yeah, we want to hear your responses, Unashamed Nation. Go to your places where you get information out that we eventually find. We want to hear that because I'm sure there's some interesting theories out there among our crew.

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We're trying to figure out what man, Jase, what man made it.

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I like baptismal weekends.

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It was an invasion. That's where I'm going with this. That's pretty good. I like this.

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Well, you know, it's funny, Zach, you said that because Phyllis is down here. She and her Missouri siblings. And I'm not sure what I told him yesterday. It's weird what to call you because we're not really connected, but they're siblings in some way. And so she was telling me about a new painting that Tony is working on.

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And so our old friend, Cade, who's the new guy at Duck Commander Building, Duck Calls, who's from your area. He's from Lake City, Zach. Yeah. And I don't know if you've met him yet, but he's a great kid. Knows Duck Calls. Just, you know, super, super kid. But he's kind of got a beard and long hair. So Tony got him above the water. And then Tony got in the water.

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I am unashamed. What about you?

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He told me everything I ever did.

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I am unashamed. What about you?

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Right. But I will say this about just the dashers in general. If you probably looked up the history of the word dasher, troll is probably in there. Because you talk about troll for trouble.

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You can put that on the front of the boat. Which, to James' point, at least that is an actual thing. A trolling motor is an actual thing.

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So I got one question before we leave this topic because I'm intrigued and I have been humored today. What did Missy say about this gift? Because I know she said something. Yep. I'll just give you one word.

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And Jace has a seatbelt to hold him in.

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That's what I'm saying. I go and look because it was someplace I remembered leaving something. It's not there. And Lisa always knows where it is. She said, I'm not putting.

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See, what's funny is I didn't even go there when I first saw it. I just thought somebody made this up, and I thought somebody is brilliant. No, it's a thing. No, I got it. I got it.

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Well, I figured since you didn't say it, you forgot. But you know who you are because you sent it. So they're having a big time right now remembering that.

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What's funny is he probably has no memory of Jason. He doesn't even remember. He's giving someone chickens out. You see this, you never forget it. Yeah. All right, so we got to get back to John 1. I want to take a ride on the ladder.

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Well, let me set it up because there were a couple of things I didn't get to say on the last podcast.

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No, it was three and a half minutes. Yeah, that you said two seconds. We remember it well. Give me two seconds, three minutes. It was about like you losing 1.5 pounds. It was in the margin of error. Margin of error. So we were talking about the calling of the disciples. We're in John 1, right at the end of the chapter. And Jesus runs up on one of these guys who is Nathaniel.

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And what's interesting is Nathaniel, we didn't get into this, but I want to set it up before we get to Jacob's letter. He apparently had been sitting under a tree, which I did a little bit of a dive on this, Jason. You know, they had a picture that showed these fig trees and what they look like, you know, over in Israel. And so they're big, bushy trees.

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And so a lot of times these guys would sit and either just pray and contemplate, or sometimes if they were well enough alone, they would actually have a scroll to be able to read different parts of the Old Testament with the Torah. And so apparently this is the kind of guy Nathaniel is. I think it's not even apparent.

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About like that. And so Jesus recognizes it and tells him that. And it's like, to me, and we didn't get into this, but it's almost humorous to me because Nathaniel has already made a slur comment towards where Jesus is from. What good thing come out of Nazareth? And by the way, he's from Cana, which is about four miles away, they think, from Nazareth.

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And so this is kind of the better part of town he's from, to use our illustration. And we find out he's from Cana in like chapter 20. And that's also, by the way, where this next miracle comes in, or the first miracle in John 2, and the second one in John 4, which is kind of ironic. They both happen in Cana.

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Which is why Jesus said, look, an Israelite who... The NIV reads, here's a true Israelite in whom there's nothing false. And I thought it was interesting because a way you could phrase this, and some of the other versions say this, is like, here's a guy who tells it like it is. And so he had already been like disparaging.

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So she started giving me- You don't decorate for no big deal.

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And if Jesus goes back pre-disparage when he saw him under the tree, he's kind of letting him know. And I know that you've been talking about me, which I thought was kind of funny.

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And then he says in verse 48, and I'm leading us up to where we're going today. How do you know me? Nathaniel asked, well, I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you. He said, I've known you for a long time, son. Then Nathaniel all of a sudden goes from what good thing can come from Nazareth to, Rabbi, you are the son of God. You are the king of Israel.

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I mean, you talk about a hairpin turnaround. This is 180. What good thing could come from Nazareth to you are the king?

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And by the way, this vision he had is actually four chapters. I'm not sure about the timing because I hadn't read it recently, but it's before he sort of has his moment in Genesis 32 where he wrestles with this person or angel or whatever it was he wrestled with and then kind of comes to this new place of going from a deceiver to You know, Israel, God even changed their name.

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Remember, this was a sleep-deprived, party-induced study. It was that study. I'm just setting the context.

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Yeah. And he told Nathaniel, you're going to see that.

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Well, now we got a guy in a house. And by the way, this was written probably 600 to 700 years before John saw his deal.

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And we're not going to tell you who the 99.5 are for, but there's only one other person that lives there, so you figure it out. So, but both of these had my name on it.

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Matty remembers everything. How do you do this many hours of podcast and remember everything? She might have looked it up in 10 seconds. These young kids today, they go.

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He is now the latter. First fruits, you know, I mean, yeah. And prototype's not a bad word. I want to read one verse because we're almost out of time, but very intriguing what Jesus brought up. I like this sleep-deprived-induced thought. Maybe you were in the Spirit last night. I might have been. So here's the verse I thought of when you were doing this because I had just preached on this.

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Man, it's so powerful into what you just talked about. This is Ephesians 3.10.

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His intent, talking about gods, was that now, which there's a time and place, through the church, so this revealing at the first century of Jesus' death, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms according to his eternal purpose, which he accomplished in Jesus Christ our Lord. Then he goes on to talk more.

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It hit me on that phrase, the idea about – That veil, not just from our side of the equation, but also from the other side of the equation. Oh, I agree. And that we have a role in testifying to the realm. And that they want to look at us, yes.

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All right, we're out of time. Man, good stuff. We'll pick it up here next time. Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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This is a sign. That's right. I would 100% agree with you. This came from the Almighty.

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Oh, boy. It's Unashamed Nation yet again. Matty, the people have spoken.

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I would suggest the first 20 seconds of Marvin Gaye, let's get it on. Let's get it on. All right.

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You know what's disturbing? Someone in Unashamed Nation has hit a home run today.

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It was like the seatbelt shirt. Oh, to make it look like you're wearing a seatbelt. I didn't even see it as being a deceptive idea. I know.

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They invent ways of doing evil.

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And 12 midnight. And as you made painfully clear in the telling and retelling of the seatbelt story, you thought you were legal on that. I thought I was not breaking the law. I mean, look. In Jace's defense, he thought he was doing something.

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Right. So. Oh, that's good. I mean, I don't know the purpose of it, but whoever sent that, kudos to you.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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It's three. Wow. Oh, yeah. And it went by so fast.

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And even in the spiritual sense, I mean, this was a couple who – we need to have them on this podcast too, but this is a couple who – They were not Christians. They had no concept of the God of the Bible. but they were seeking to create a better society. They were seeking to renovate the earth with, I mean, it had different language for it.

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It was all humanistic and, and, and self-centered in their approach, but, but they had, they, they saw the brokenness around them. And that was part of the conversation too. Like they saw that brokenness and like, we see the brokenness, we see that society's broken. And then they were trying to find a fix for it. And what they ended up discovering in the end was,

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was that they were basically trying to build a tower of Babel in their own life. So I think it is interesting. We are kind of longing for that. No matter where you come from, whether you come from the church or not, I mean, everybody's longing for something new, a renovation. We know whatever this cistern that we currently have is not holding water.

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And what we're looking for is, I want a cistern that holds.

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I messed up. I thought it was like, when I heard it, I was like, okay, that's a very...

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Well, the language constantly evolves, right? And so there's always a redefinition. Of the same kind of idea, particularly when it's opposed to maybe what I would call truth. But it used to be called equal opportunity and the idea. But really what what they were really after was equal outcome. And that is a very different thing.

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And I think that it's the conversation that has to be had, the conversation with equity and equality. Yeah, that is a very fundamental conversation of what are we actually talking about? Because if we have to manufacture and ensure that everybody has the same outcome and that everybody's equity stake, for example, is the same across the board,

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But you did make it.

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then what you end up having to do is you actually have to distort people's opportunity to ensure that the outcome is equal. And that's not – I don't think that's biblical at all. It's not. But what is – and the other thing is that you can't conflate the word equality – With with homogeny, meaning that like you can we can be equal, but not all be the same.

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And so that's what you're seeing in Scripture. You see, even in the triune nature of God, who's more valuable, the father, the son or the spirit or who's more God? Well, they're all equally God. There's no like. There's not one of the members more God than the other. They're equal when it comes to their Godness, their God quality. But are they the same person?

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No, they're three distinct people or persons. They're three distinct persons. And so in the same way, like a man is not the same thing as a woman, but neither a man or a woman is not greater in their value. That's the whole point of this kingdom, Jew and Gentile. Who's greater? Well, in the kingdom, there's no distinction. Like, right? There's a distinction.

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Yes, there is an ethnic distinction in the world, but in God's eyes, the value, they're equal. And I think that plays out through all of Scripture.

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We're probably going to say the same thing. I mean, there is this.

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Are you sticking with the text or what are you fixing today?

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Well, what I was just going to say, it's interesting. It moves into very controversial topics. verse in 18 and gets into this idea of rule or mine says rules for household christian households oh yeah well we'll okay so save that because we'll get to that because i want to i want to go down a rabbit hole

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I love that. I think that it's, yeah, I used to think this, that eschatology doesn't really matter. And I'd even say that when we get to the book of Revelation, it doesn't really matter. And as I've gotten older, I'm like, Oh, it matters a lot because there's a thread throughout all of Scripture of exactly what you just said. It's the Great Commission. Go make disciples of all nations.

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It's in the text that we're in now in Colossians 3. It's in Galatians, the entire book. It's the whole thing about the mystery that's revealed in Ephesians that the Gentiles are now fellow heirs. It's Romans 3. It's a whole book of Romans that Paul, the apostle, called to bring the Gentiles to the obedience of faith.

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By friends, you mean colleagues, like other nurses?

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And what Jesus is doing, and I think this moment you're talking about in particular, is this is the inauguration of his ministry. What ministry? to bring all the nations to him, to fulfill that kingdom that he had talked, that was all prophesied in the Old Testament and all of those Old Testament scriptures.

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And so when you read something like 1 Corinthians 15, when it says that Christ died, was buried and raised according to the scriptures, what scriptures is he talking about? He's talking about these Old Testament scriptures. And if you read here, I turn over to Luke 24, because I think this is more towards the end of basically the gospel story.

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This is when he's on the road to Emmaus, and they see the resurrected Jesus. And it says in verse 27 that Jesus, beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them all the scriptures that the things concerning himself. In other words, there's a whole lot in what the prophet, they knew the Bible. They knew Moses' writings.

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They knew the prophet's writings, but they did not understand them in the light of Jesus. And that's why they said, did not our hearts burn while he was with us on the road, while he opened up the scriptures? What scriptures? All the Old Testament scriptures. And then in verse 45 of Luke 24, it says, then he opened their minds to, to understand the scriptures.

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Because up until this point, nobody understood them. They're reading all of these Old Testament scriptures, and they do not see the correlation between all of those prophecies and the inclusion of the Gentiles, that God's going to build a new kingdom people group of Jew and Gentile. And he is going to send people out to make disciples of all the nations.

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They didn't understand that from the scriptures until this moment, he opens up the old Testament to them and he opened their minds to understand this. And he said, this, thus it is written that, Where? In the Old Testament. That the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead and that repentance for forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to who?

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All nations beginning in Jerusalem. I mean, this is the Bible. This is the story right here. This is the gospel. This is it. You can't get away from it.

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And I'm sure Rome was not proud of that. Which is really, I mean, we won't get into it on this podcast because I know we're out of time, but that is a shocking, I mean, what he is about to propose is a shock to the culture. It is a shock.

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I can't wait to hear from Jill. I may or may not have said some things when I got another procedure that Jill was in on. Well, that's what I'm saying. In the room with me.

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And when she told me what I said, I was like... I don't know where that came from, Jill, but it was not true. I don't know what I mean.

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I love the fact that we started the podcast. We don't have a cold open. Jace said, I will figure it out. And this is what, Like literally completely unplanned. You brought it up, and then he went there. I did bring it up. I didn't know where to go, but this is where we figured it out. We figured out our opening story.

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Well, it's 845. You're supposed to get one.

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You're doing the right thing.

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a little thing we like to call a colonoscopy. Oh yeah.

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Yeah. Which should be very fulfilling. I mean, it's interesting. We had a few weeks ago had on YouTube, My other podcast, I had a couple on that they came from Silicon Valley. They've gone all over the world. This couple is so interesting. He was a founder of, I think the company was DivX, which was early days internet, had a huge tech exit.

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was doing the Silicon Valley thing, going off to these foreign countries, and they were doing the psychedelics and trying to find God in all these places, all the retreats and all the different ways of trying to find him and create this new society. And they wound up in Black Mountain. And Vanessa, she talks about this on the podcast, she said she was talking about when they moved here,

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She said, I came to the church for the first time and kind of shared her experience of coming to know Christ. And the big thing that was hard for her to overcome, she said, I'm looking at everybody here and they're not aspiring to do all these crazy things. And I'm like, are these people really satisfied? Are these morons really satisfied?

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And then what she's come to realize over the last several years is that she said, now I live a very quiet local life, raising my family. and being in the community. And she said, I've never had more peace in my life. And what she thought would have bored her has now been the thing, and it's all through the Spirit, through which she's finding fulfillment.

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And I thought about this verse when she said that. I didn't say it on the Not Yet Now podcast, but I want to read it here because it speaks to it in 1 Thessalonians 4. Paul says, make it your ambition to lead a quiet life. You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you,

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so that your daily life may win the respect of others and outsiders so that you will not be dependent on anybody. And I think some people would read something like that, like, oh, that life is boring. If you find the life in Christ boring, I think you're not experiencing a life in Christ. You know what I mean? There's a piece that comes with this.

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The processed cheese. No way. Didn't believe it.

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She was an unbeliever. It sounds ridiculous. It really does. But it is amazing. I mean, it tastes amazing.

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But I will say, I have said, I can't fully buy in until you make them both ways.

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Well, to your point about the temple, he's literally bringing heaven to earth. You talked about the temple, but think about that. When they had the temples and the tent of meeting with Moses, only the high priest could go in there. It was only the Holy of Holies, right? Right, yeah.

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That's right. But what he was initiating here, it's basically this idea of, I'm coming and anyone can now come to me. That whole protective mode where just the high priest or just the... Well, that's the debate, right?

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Well, I was going to say the counter is also—like, Jesus is always showing us more. It starts with this little story, this little idea, but it's always so much bigger. And Satan operates in the mode of get them to focus on the little detail that makes them feel, you know— upset or that makes them feel shame or makes them feel like maybe their authority is going to be questioned.

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That's how he works. Get us to focus on the thing that is not even the thing, which is what they were doing, asking the questions. But we do that, right?

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When the Holy Spirit reveals something to us that we're like, I don't know if I want to see that about myself. Yeah. I don't know if I want to see that maybe I'm struggling with jealousy because Zach's at the final four game. Yeah. Now we're getting somewhere.

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I don't want to see that. I can use that because I have struggled with jealousy before in my life. But no woman wants to see that in herself. That's the ick. We'll say things like, well, I mean, I struggle with things that are still good. Nobody wants to see the yuck. And so if Satan can...

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keep us from seeing the big picture that God's trying to reveal to us through the Spirit and focus on some minute, oh, well, you must not love me because you didn't invite me, whatever the thing is, then he's won because we're missing it. We're missing it.

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He entered it and he wants us to know. That's where I was going.

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I mean, he loves cheese so much, he wears that orange hat every day. He does.

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Can I read from John 6? Yeah, please. It's this verse. I think, you know, you're talking about, well, who's in, who's out, how are they getting there, all the things. And sometimes, to me, verse 40 is the verse that we should probably focus more on because it says, for this is the will of my Father that everyone who looks on the Son shall

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and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. That's the verse right after the one that talks about I won't lose any.

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Yeah, Zach told me, he did tell me this morning, I need to settle down a little bit.

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Dwelling with his creation. people.

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And to try to live life outside of the presence of God. That is hell. I think that is what, to try to orchestrate your life without the bread of life, without his presence, that is hell. That's what I think. And I was thinking of Moses. I think Moses got that. It's interesting how many times the New Testament refers to Moses. One of my favorite encounters with Moses is

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And the Lord is in Exodus 33. This is right after, you know, the Israelites messed it up and he came down with the Ten Commandments. They had screwed it up. He breaks them. And so now the Lord's telling him to leave Mount Sinai, that we're going to do something different. I'm going to initiate something new. And so Moses is worried about leaving.

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And he says, now, therefore, if I, this is Exodus 33, verse 13. Now, therefore, if I found favor in your sight, please show me now your ways that I may, And he said to him, I in your people. Is it not in your going with us so that we are distinct? I in your people from every other people on the face of the earth.

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And I love this scripture so much because what Moses was saying is, I don't want to go without you. Do not send me anywhere that your presence isn't going with me. And this is Moses. He could have, I mean, he was the guy, you know, but he did not consider the things he had accomplished to be worth anything in outside of the presence of God.

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And she loved the Precious Memories album.

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I do have a scripture. This was in my Bible. You get the last word, Jill. It is fitting. From Psalm 8110. I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt. Open your mouth wide and I will fill it.

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They were the sweetest couple, though.

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I got to talk with them before they left.

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I did. I got to pray with them. They were precious. But they've listened from the very beginning. They're OG. They are original, unashamed listeners and just precious people.

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It could have gotten much worse had we not had the studio audience.

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I am is he is inside of time and outside of time.

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I want to think it was Willie because this was the beginnings of his Scrabble prowess. We were playing Scrabble, so we'd had to been older than that.

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Yeah, I mean, it didn't seem like we were that old, but somewhere in there, somewhere between, you know, six and 13. Well, I made a word on the Scrabble. that was a triple word score. They said, that's inappropriate. They didn't say inappropriate, but that's a bad word. I did not think it was a bad word. And I said, look it up.

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And then I gave a Phil Robertson description of the word that I had used. It was a slang word for part of the anatomy. So they went and got... Their dad, Uncle Harold, and he just saw that word on the Scrabble board. And the next thing I know, it was just I was twirling around his one arm. And every time I would stop, leather was being applied. And I just thought, that's a word. That is a word.

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Giving me the commentary. We don't talk like this. We don't scrabble like this, Chase. I was playing the game. I was using the word. I was using the letters that were given to me. And I will say with true confession, I did not think that that was – It wasn't deserving a belt weapon, and I didn't even think it was wrong.

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You know what was weird is for years I'd play Scrabble, and I'd always think, well, I can't use that word. So it did have an impact on you. It was pretty traumatizing. I'm sure if I wind up in a counselor's office one day, we'll be visiting that store. I mean, I got whipped.

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Yeah, it was pretty traumatic. But, you know, back then. Back then, you know, part of it. The whole family. I mean, I got whipped by my grandparents, by most of my uncles. Which is pretty crazy.

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Well, I guess we turned out all right. I'm not endorsing that, but it was pretty brutal. It was a rough memory.

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He was prophetic because the last thing he said to me is like, you'll never forget this. And I haven't.

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You're feeling sorry for me now. I do feel sorry for you.

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Well, it's actually what I was going to say is how he did come down to my office and say the same thing. But since we had had a different journey in our relationship. You wanted to bring up that. No, I just was very blunt. And I said, I appreciate it, but I'm not going to be here long. And he went from teary-eyed to saying, well, what's the problem? I need to break out my belt.

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And I actually said, I said, you see this office here? I said, you know what the problem with it is? I said, there's two things. And he was looking around. I said, there's no people in here but you. I was like, I believe God has called me to be with people. I can't do offices. I said, and the second thing is there's no window. And that was why I resigned. I was an intern for a couple of years.

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No, I did it. Yeah, I did it. But when I – it's funny because they wanted me to write down – because I said I was resigning, and they were like – they handed me a form. And I was like – It's called an exit interview. I'm not going to fill out this form. And I was like – Never the rebel. One of the reasons that I'm resigning is that you have a form for me to say – And I gave them the same speech.

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And I just had a Bible study where a guy said, the only reason you're doing this is because it's your job. And I was immature, but I just, in that moment, I do think through the immaturity, God just led me down a different path. I said, I'm just going to be a regular guy. I'm going to build duck calls, fish the river. I kind of went to what my dad had done.

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And I'm just going to preach Jesus for free. I mean, that was the statement I made. I was like, because what was happening is, and Al, you remember this. I was studying with so many people back then because I had made a list from high school, kind of like our young new brother here in our family. And I was going down the list. Well, that list didn't have a clock.

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I mean, most of the studies I was doing was at night. Well, then I had to come to the office And sit there all day. And I'll tell you what I did most of the time there. Slept. I slept. There's no window. Right. There's nobody in there. I mean, I sat down. What am I going to fill out some paperwork?

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I finally set up my chair. I have one of these chairs that fold back and I, I would make it into a bed, but I had to do it where when someone knocked on my door, it could pop up in three seconds. I would pop up. Hey, that's the worst. Because, you know, you were doing your ministry at O'Banion's Pool Hall. Oh, yeah. That's where ministry was. They were wanting me to fill out forms on all that.

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Is this your first time in the duck call room?

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And I was like, you don't want to know where I was last night because I wouldn't be here anymore. It's going to make you uncomfortable. But it just didn't work for me.

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Now, look, having said this, I do think I was right in principle, but I don't want to make it seem like I was young and very outspoken. Right. And so some of the things I did in meetings, I regret, although I think my principle and my heart was right. Yeah.

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Because I remember I gave this big speech one time in a meeting about it's not about this building because I was still bitter that they're making me.

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punch a clock when I just technically I was doing the Lord's work all night I'm tired I'm sleepy I don't want to come to the building So one of the elders was like, well, I mean, what is your – he was kind of asking, like, where are you at on the use of a building? Because you seem to be attacking everything about the building. And I said, burn it. Were you a shock jock?

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I don't know where you got that from. But – I mean, that just didn't go over well. That was then a meeting after the meeting of that is just crazy talk. You know, what are you talking about? So you were going to get fired if you didn't. I was never going to make it in that city.

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Yeah. What's going on here, Matty? Is your name Salah? Well, then I wasn't sure I was going to feel, but you being this close to me and me trying to make fun of you just for fun.

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And it's your birthday. But I am really glad that whoever got you that hat for your birthday was looking out for you because I just thought to myself when I saw you today, I thought, you know, if I was from North Carolina- And I was coming to Louisiana for quite a while, a few days. A few days, yeah. I probably need an orange hat so that no one will shoot me.

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Paul said it in Acts 17. Acts 17. We're seeing a common thread. That's where I was getting my take on the building. But I would even go back to John 1, 14, which I think, if you're going to put greatest profound statements of the Bible, the word became flesh. The logic...

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God the wisdom of God the word became human and made his dwelling which in the Greek that that doesn't seem like that big a thing but when you look at the Greek word that was used and tabernacled among us the building of became a man, housing God in human form, or pitch to tent is what these scholars will use that phrase to define it.

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Because it goes back to the system of Judaism where they had the temple, they had the tabernacle, and it was... the thought, and true, that this is where God and humans meet. That's why this says this in John 1, 14. And they did meet there.

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But that's also why in the last verse of chapter 1, when he told Nathanael, he said, you'll see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man. Well, that goes back to, you remember Jacob's Ladder, where they called that place Bethel? I'm doing this off the top of my head, but I believe that means house of God.

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So here and in the tabernacle or temple, these angels would be on each side, which is why I think there were two angels on each side at the tomb.

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Well, I think it comes from John 14, which we'll get to, where when he said, in my Father's house are many rooms. But the older I get, the more I look at that, I don't think he was talking about what people think it was talking about. Because he was talking about him ascending to the right hand of God and pouring out his Holy Spirit. And we know from 1 Peter 2, the house is being built right here.

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Yeah, Ephesians 2, we rise and become the temple of God by his Holy Spirit.

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You're using words that I'm having to look up, and it's distracting. A while ago, you said catechizing.

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Categuize. In fact. Like a catechism. Because I tried to spell it, and according to the internet, I could not find that, so I must have a spelling issue. It's got a surprise Y in there, I think. It goes back to my Scrabble issues.

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Well, we hijacked the system because I memorized every two- and three-letter word, especially using the letter Q and X. Yeah, but y'all would know the words, but you wouldn't know what they meant.

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Are you hunting in the city limits here? You thought I was making fun of you. I'm not. That was a very good thing. If I were you and I showed up in Louisiana during all hunting seasons are open right now. They're all open. You can never be too safe, Chase. I would think I need to wear an orange hat. But I just figured someone gave that to you for your birthday, so well done. It was a present.

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Because if I... Any of our Catholic listeners... Well, I'm dealing with the real people and I'm having...

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conversations about jesus mainly in the duck blind because right now it's duck season well you you but you you put it in a context some people they may not they kind of understand what you're saying well but i'm just saying if i'm in a duck blind and we're talking about somebody's life and you're not going to use the word catechized because he would say would you call me no i'm not sure i can do that well you got you got a first to find who but now we know

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You have PTSD. Yeah, that's right. That's what this is. No, I think what it is is when the word became flesh, I thought, oh, good. I don't have to learn all the words. The word is a person. That's good. I like that. The word is a person. So therefore, if I come up and talk to another person about God, I can introduce a person.

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And I don't have to use words based on human wisdom. I love that. What's the Paul quote? It was the hypostatic union that brought you to understand it. But when you push back so much, I read the book of Acts, and I wanted to make sure there were no apologetic arguments during that whole discourse of the birth of the church. And you realize that there were apologetic arguments.

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No, it was pretty much a declaration that Jesus is the Son of God. He died and was buried in the grave. The Acts 17 is quite the apologetic. There was a few moments of... where they had a discourse, but the words translated were pretty simple.

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So, well, let me jump in here. Shameless plug for the.

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Since we have a new set for a limited time, then we're going to have a newer set, right? Yeah, we got a newer set. We're in a transition mode, boys.

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that i was wrong it is way more than six feet this is like this is almost to a point where it's awkward i told you without the earphones i i but not for me because i spent probably 10 years here building duck calls so this is like home for you well you got to think who i like a much i mean this has got to be every bit of 12 feet you got to think about who i was sitting with you wanted distance is what you're saying distance was preferred

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Well, I sat here and built duck calls with Si, Martin, Godwin, Jay Stone. Mountain Man was here for about two years.

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I actually, in a weird duck commander meeting one time, said, because they were all talking about how we can improve things. I said, you know what? I would really improve the duck hall room. And they were like, well, I mean, it was like, Jason has an idea. I said, I think whoever's cleaning this place should clean that room every day after we leave. I was not kidding.

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Nobody said a word. Because that was the height of all, you know, it was mountain man, I mean, mountain man inside. Bathing is optional. Musty. It was musty. And I don't know. It was a lot of men.

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Well, not for my birthday, but somebody did give it to me.

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I actually took it from this room. Oh, wow. So now we may get in trouble. When we have a drum roll opportunity, I have a set of drums. Oh, a cajon or what do they call it? And I actually, I was waiting for you to say something that I wanted to.

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Well, now I'll reveal why I did the drum roll because we always have this relationship of I try to keep it simple. Zach tries to keep it complex. Oh, no, that sounded wrong. Zach uses big words. But I have a drum roll moment. I actually listened to my first podcast over the weekend. Oh, wow. I had never listened to another podcast. You mean like our podcast or another podcast? Not our podcast.

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But I listened because I got three different messages. I had a really weird weekend. I got three different messages on two totally different issues. And I'll share both, I guess, if we have time. But this one was, you need to check this out. And it was, the problem is everybody sent it to me in a form of social media. So you got this from multiple people? Three different people sent me a clip.

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One of them was like Facebook. One of them was like Instagram. Well, the problem is I can't go to any of those places because I don't know my password. I don't frequent them. And so now I have people in my family real close to me that represent me, kind of like... They know how to get there. They do the heavy lift. They do the expectation.

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So I thought, well, I guess I just need to go find the source. I mean, you can make some spiritual analogies here. So it was actually a Joe Rogan podcast.

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That's the first one I've ever, anybody's podcast, first one I've ever listened to. Wrong with about 10 million. Because, because there was a guest on there who was, he's from Zach's camp.

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Yeah, he's a Christian apologist, but he's more into... the reliability of the Bible, the 66 books. And this guy is like, one of his hobbies is taking original manuscripts that were written on papyrus and copper, and he can replicate them. He can write. This guy knows all the languages. For fun. For fun.

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Now, I do want to say if you go duck hunting while you're here, don't wear that hat because although no one would probably shoot you, the ducks would see that. Noted. I'll make sure I don't put this on. I do want to go, by the way. So you can wear orange hats while deer hunting because deer are colorblind, which I think was a bit of humor from the Almighty because they can see really good. Yeah.

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Three-fourths of the words that came out of his mouth I had never heard because it was over my head. Did Rogan seem to be? Well, that's what I was going to say. I watched the whole thing. It was three hours and 15 minutes.

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Yeah. So I watched that because, and how they met I thought was interesting because this guy, his name was Huff was his last name.

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So what I thought was funny is this Huff guy has a debate with a guy who like picks and chooses what he believes in the Bible because everything in the Old Testament, anything that he deemed negative, he's like, well, this is not legitimate. Well, they had a debate. I'll watch that. Well, this Huff guy, he didn't just win. This was like... imagine Muhammad Ali fighting Zach.

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I mean, it was a complete- Intellectually or physically?

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It was a complete, just like, so, well, this Rogan had had this other guy on his podcast and entertained some of that. How do we know the Bible's reliable? And I've always looked at it like, I've never gone down that road because when I read the book of John, I just thought, this is based on faith. But it was so thrilling and made so much sense, even about Jesus.

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I just said, nobody could have made this up. So I didn't feel like I ever had to go down that road. This guy went down the road, and after I listened to this, I mean, it was such a powerful argument on how we got the Bible. And it would take somebody doing this for years and have this kind of mind.

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Well, it was just fun to see Joe Rogan. He just didn't have an answer for it. I mean, he was like, fascinating. This is fantastic. Is Rogan an atheist? Well, he kind of, that came up in the interview. I don't know. Well, I don't either.

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Look, I'm not promoting the podcast because what I was shocked at, a couple times this Huff would have such a compelling argument that Rogan's response would be, man, that's some crazy – and he would have a Scrabble board moment – And I thought, I think he meant that as a compliment. No, I think he did. And he uses four-letter words. I mean, like the F word.

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Every time I see him quoted on TV, they're beating me up.

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But their smell is fantastic, but they don't see colors.

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Well, I've always, so what was your takeaway Jace from the whole, well, I thought, obviously thought it was a positive, uh, just because, because Rogan's got a huge audience.

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And, uh, well, I thought it was a positive just cause then a few days later, I didn't watch this episode. I'm still at one podcast, but, uh,

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I just noticed a lot of people commented then he had Mel Gibson on, and he kind of asked the same questions, you know, and I was like, I think this guy is reconsidering, because he was kind of in bed with the other guy that had this debate, you know, with Huff, which he thought, okay, I was... Cause I mean, he was, he was no nonsense on that.

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He's like, you clearly knew what you were talking about and back this up and have made me, you know, rethink this whole thing. And I love the guy you debated. He doesn't know what he's talking about and his career is over. I mean, it was like, because then the guy who lost the debate, he's like threatening to sue if it was released. He was trying to get out of, he just got in over his head.

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I mean, this guy started saying, well, let's just get into whatever language you want to get in. And some of the things he said, I'll just give you a nugget. One thing he said is the book of Isaiah for hundreds of years, the oldest original that we had was what's in the New Testament now.

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Well then, I don't know how many years ago, I can't remember, but maybe 100 years ago, they find another manuscript. I think it was the Dead Sea Scrolls. Didn't they find that in the 30s or 40s? 40s. Yeah, 40s. So when they find it, well, they find the book of Isaiah. So then everybody was like, oh no, because what if, you know? Oh yeah, everybody's scared. See all these differences, you know?

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And so this huff's talking. I'm just giving you the high points here. And did you know that it was written a thousand years before the one we had? And it was word for word. And so when Rogan heard that, he was like, you got to be, I'm going to paraphrase what he said. You got to be kidding me. Word for word. Word for word. How is that even possible? Exactly.

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How could, how could the, you know, passing it down orally be, Be memorized to that point. It made me think of that movie Denzel Washington did that time about... The book of Eli. Eli. And I mean, if you haven't... I don't want to ruin the movie for you. He had memorized it. Yeah. And he was blind, but he could see. It was fascinating.

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So now it's eight hours. Some of the greatest memories I've ever had were 24 hour road trips.

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And I'm like, you people did this to us. Numbers, you have made numbers obsolete. So I want to button this up because I know I said there was two interesting thing happened. I just want to make this announcement. I am not, I'm not undercover. I did not do a show called American Primeval because three different people sent a picture to me and said, is that you?

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Oh, this thing is blowing up on Netflix. Yeah.

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Yeah, well, I checked out the first few minutes of it, which I thought it wasn't boring. I haven't watched it. But I thought, I don't even think. There's a character that looks like you? I don't even think that, evidently, because three different people, and then I showed it to my wife, and she said, that does look like you. So I just wanted y'all to know.

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Well, look, I will show you what I got this morning from, look, a person who's not even in my phone. So I don't know who this is. And look, they sent this picture. Does that look like me?

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Yeah. See, Al, I may be a notorious embellisher, but Zach is notorious for being late. That may be true. He learned that from me. Maybe. He learned that from our brother, Willie, who's also. He's also that way. So. Yeah. It's kind of their way. Willie's early if he's two minutes late. He told me that one time. Yeah. He said, no, I read it online.

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If you're two minutes late, that's the perfect time to be there.

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I was saying, well, I used to always be punctual because, I mean, Phil was real adamant about. And he still did it on the show. He and Cy would come and sit around. But the TV show made, they just could not be on time.

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That was one of the funniest memories of my life. When we get to the afterlife, because I think there's going to be a replaying session. Just everybody gathered up, thousands of people. Do we have edit control on the playing back? I'm going to leave that to the Lord God. I've got better at it there. I've got a pretty good editor, Matty. Because I've got about 10 arguments going.

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that basically have resulted in, we will not know until the afterlife and we have some kind of replay, heavenly replay system. And so I'm looking forward to it because my wife and I have about five of those because we just can't, she remembers something differently. than I do, and we're 100%, 100% adamant that the recollection that we each have is correct.

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No, I didn't want to interrupt that beautiful story, but I have vivid memories of being a kid and working.

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Well, it wasn't that. I guess I didn't really mind it, I thought, you know, because in our family, it didn't have to be your parents.

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And one of the worst whoopings I ever got was from Uncle Harold.

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Brutal. He was scary. Well, let me tell you, this was a... He scared me.

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I'll just leave it there. I mean, I think if like... There's a statute of limitations. If I would have called 911, he probably would have gone to jail for a short period of time. It was brutal. He's crossed over now. What did you do to receive the... You're so nosy. You want me to share my skeletons. Here's what I did. I'll have to do this so we don't offend the listeners.

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So there we are, me and his two daughters, and someone else was part of the game. Willie seemed like he'd have been a little young, but maybe it was. Maybe he was part of the game. I'm not sure who the fourth person was. Well, I think we were a little older than that.

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So yesterday I go to the store in my pajamas. I come home and Missy's like, why would you go to the store in your pajamas? And I said, I wanted to be comfortable. I was wearing Cozy Earth, which you gave me for Christmas. That's right.

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I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. We were talking in between podcasts about when you get a text or an email from somebody, Jace, I got one yesterday from a listener that he and I, you know, uh, I guess, is that a word, conversated?

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Because we have to be fair with it because there's something unique about the story and how it fits into our Bible.

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Well, Jace, I'll tell you this. There are two people, because we all research this, there's two people that agree with what you said. Well, three if you include me, because I agree as well, but that agree with us. One is St. Augustine. who was a church father from around the 4th and 5th century A.D. He agrees with your assessment.

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He thinks that's why it was left out, because some people might think that Jesus is excusing adultery. And so that was part of the fear of putting it in the canon. He says that. And the other one in a more modern context is our old friend N.T. Wright, who says something similar.

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So, Zach, this would have been fantastic for us to know about in our early days of Duck Commander because, you know, when you're first starting a business, you're not sure exactly how everything fits together. These guys have it right there for you to grab and to go forward. So any startup businesses, this is the way to begin and the way to help you really get this into your long-term motion.

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Yeah, it did. Well, the tornado that Jase is mentioning actually touched down pretty near Mom and Dad's place on the river. Isn't that funny?

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Well, and I thought, I thought just before you read that, the analogy from the from the McGuigan sermon was so good because this idea that somehow Jesus was condoning adultery. I mean, he squelches that by his last line of saying, go now and leave your life of sin. He's not saying he's condoning. He just drew the circle out that anybody can fit in the circle.

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of being deserving of death because of sin. I mean, he highlights hypocrisy as much as adultery. So one of our partners that really means a lot to us is Preborn. And obviously they talk a lot about moms and unplanned pregnancies.

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And Jason, it made me think about, you preached recently at our church and you kind of brought this into the narrative you were explaining, which I thought was pretty good.

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Yeah. And so when someone finds himself in that position, it's the future of their unborn child. It's an overwhelming situation. So Preborn's whole ministry is to love these women, empower them with the choice of life. And now this is our eternal moment to step alongside and help these folks get where they're trying to go.

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We heard about one girl, Stephanie, who was scared and afraid and felt she didn't deserve love and support. But after receiving so much love and support from a caring clinic, she experienced her eternal moment when she met her child on ultrasound. She left the clinic feeling hopeful, and now she's blessed by her five-year-old son.

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So it's stories over and over like that that have helped us not only walk alongside Preborn, but also the pro-life movement. So we want to encourage you guys, when you support Preborn, you're supporting pro-life clinics nationwide with free ultrasounds to help empower children A Mother to Choose Life. Your tax-deductible donation of $28 monthly is reaching eternity.

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To get involved, simply dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby. That's pound 250 baby. Or you can visit preborn.com slash unashamed. That's preborn.com slash unashamed.

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He says, for I take, the last verse, for I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the sovereign Lord, repent and live.

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So let me tie this off, and we'll pick it up next time we get back into this text. I mentioned N.T. Wright earlier. He said, I'm not sure exactly where it fits in the original codex, but I know this, and I'm confident that God seemed to put it where it was needed. And so I think that's a good way as we approach this. So, so we've got a, we're going to take a break and we come back from our break.

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We've got one of our partners that's going to join us on the podcast. Tell us a little bit about the, one of the beauty, one of the beautiful things that we've been able to do since we're kind of on our own is, is really find some great minded partners to walk alongside us with the podcast. And so we've got one of those is coming on for a few minutes and tell us about his ministry.

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So we'll take a break and we'll come back when we introduce our friend.

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Well, she tries to catch up. Good luck saying that for the next three years. Well, yeah, right. I know that.

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Yeah, and what was amazing about it, Paul, was she, you know, because you guys do so much work in like hard to reach places, places where, you know, around the world that you just can't get to. We were right here in the good old U.S. of A., but we were deep into the throes of the setting for The Blind, which, you know, is the movie about mom and dad's early life.

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And we were almost unreachable because, you know, dad had just walled us off. from anything spiritual. But my Aunt Jam, Zach's mom, she made her way through. She was like, nope, my nephews are going to have an opportunity. And so I had two older nephews that lived, one older, one younger, that lived in Houston.

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I don't want you to hurt your back picking that thing up. So he said he was reading the book of Exodus, chapter 24, verses 9 and 10, where the Israelites were at the mountain. It says in verse 10, they saw God. And I'm not sure if that's the scene where they're at the scary mountain or not. But he said it troubled him because, you know, it says you can't see God and live.

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She went all the way to Houston, picked them up, came and picked me up in Junction City, living behind a bar. and got us to a summer camp in 1974 that she was working at as a college student and exposed us to Christ. And that doorway open, it changed my life. And I was never the same since.

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And I didn't really appreciate it, I think, until I got further along in life and as a pastor later, that I was able to appreciate that investment into me through that camp. And so that's why I relate so much to Tomorrow Clubs and what you guys are doing.

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One of the things, Paul, that struck me was that some of the stories that we've been telling about your ministry, and I love it that it's personal, it's people that their lives are being changed. And some of the places that you mentioned are places that we've been personally. I mean, you mentioned Moldova, which we've done a lot of work there, and there's so many orphans there.

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And I remember this from like 20 years ago. South Africa I've been to and done some mission work. Jace has been to Ukraine. Probably sounds like about the same time, Jace.

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Absolutely. One of the things that I know we've been talking about, something new you guys are doing about the 30 camps this summer. We're trying to get our audience, Unashamed Nation, to invest in what you guys are doing. And we just want to say thank you for being one of our partners on Unashamed Podcast because you guys are helping us get the gospel out around the world.

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And we love being able to do that back with you to children. Tell us a little bit about the campaign for the 30 camps and kind of what you guys are doing.

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We were there in John 2, right? Yeah.

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and so that, you know, you get a lot of questions and I haven't, I mean, I will answer them at some point, but you get these questions many times. Sometimes they're, Sometimes they're just curious about different things in the Bible. Do you all ever get those? Oh, yeah.

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That's why I brought it up, because I knew where we were headed. Oh, you're crafty.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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So where we are in the text in John 7, the last podcast, we took a little detour, one of Jason's rabbit holes, but a very lucrative rabbit hole into the book of Ezekiel because we've been talking so much about the temple and the water flow and because Jesus had brought up this living water, living flesh, you know, and his blood, all this stuff we've been talking about in these sort of pictures.

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And we went back and tied in some more Old Testament to that. And so you're understanding why they're having an issue and a problem with accepting him because of who he is as the Messiah, because they're trying to square that up with what they just see as a guy who comes from Nazareth. You know, they just they can't make it happen in their mind.

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So we get through that chapter seven, verse 52, and they're still sort of arguing about that. Who is this guy? Is he the real guy? And so Nicodemus speaks up for him. We talked about that. And then there's this section in most of our Bibles, and depending on what Bible you use, it may not be in your Bible, which is the controversial part.

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And then it has another line at the end of that. In other words... Oh, another line. Yeah, I see that. So it's like a subset in your text. Some Bibles have it as a footnote. and maybe it's at the end of the book of John. Some Bibles have it in Luke, oddly enough. I think it's Luke 23. I have it written down somewhere.

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Luke 21, 38 for most of them, which it does kind of fit Luke's telling of the story because he highlighted a lot of women.

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Just to add it to what Zach is saying, when we're talking about earliest, we're talking like first through fourth century A.D., but you do pick it up, you start seeing it from like the fourth to sixth century on. So it has been around a long, long time, and it has been a part, but it was not part of the original canon. That's what we're talking about here.

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We were involved in a... This reminds me of another biblical story when Akin tried to hide his ill-gotten gains under the tent and got burned for the process. So, Zach, this could be the perfect kind of case for Judge Jace. To then decide what the restitution.

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So if we were in your court of Judge Jace, what would you say?

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See, this is why sermons work, because this all is coming out of my sermon about me stealing batteries.

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This is going to be awesome. I can't wait to hear the reply because you're going to say, you know, have a pocket. Tell them the whole thing.

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So as a loving cousin of Jeb, are you going to pay for his shorts too? I can't pay for another man's sins. Only Jesus can do that.

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One good. As Jace has spoken. All right. Let us know, Zach, how that turns out. Yeah. All right. So I've been waiting patiently to get to this reference because we did a lot of speculation about what Jesus might have been talking about to Nicodemus. But I know one thing he did talk about. And so I want to go back and reference that.

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But I don't know, Jase, if you noticed when you went back to numbers, there's a couple of interesting things that happens before that. Now, we wouldn't recognize it. But I think Nicodemus would. And so let me just read the text.

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And remember, the underlying point is this testimony has come from heaven itself. I mean, that's why it's new.

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Because guess what was not in the room? Alarm clock. Alarm clock. Yeah, they've gotten rid of them because of phones. And even if they do have one, you can't manually change it unless you've got a Phillips head screwdriver.

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Oh, man. It makes all the difference in the world. And really, I mean, a home is the biggest one. But I mean, it could be anything. It could be a boat. It could be a car. I mean, anything that you're going to have to finance, the better that credit score, the lower you're going to pay over the long run.

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Correct. And remember, he's having a conversation with a guy who would fully understand the context of this incident, this bronze snake.

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So I want to show you something before we read this, because something you may not have noticed. In Numbers 19 and then again in Numbers 20, guess what happens here in the middle of the desert? We have this huge conversation about water. And we're in the middle of the desert. I mean, it's hard to find water, especially because now we've already crossed the Red Sea. Now we're out in the desert.

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We're heading towards the Promised Land. First thing that comes up is this idea of the water of cleansing. And this was this idea about somehow having a way to have purity of uncleanness. Now, we know that it literally didn't take it off. There had to be something symbolic about the idea of these cleansing waters. I like where you're going with this. Because this is my whole argument, Alan.

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You're making it for me again. I know it. And so he talks about that. And then he gets to verse 20, I mean, chapter 20 of Numbers, and there's an incident there. Water in the rock. Water comes out of the rock.

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Had to be Jesus. It was Jesus. 1 Corinthians 10 is your cross-reference. So those two incidents happened before the snake. And Nicodemus understood that because he had studied that his whole life. But he didn't make the link to who Jesus was. Exactly. That's where the confusion comes in.

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He's making his case. Right. So I call this section, when I used to preach out of numbers, this was called Snakes on the Plain. P-L-A-I-N. Just, you know, so... Al, that is so cheesy, it's actually brilliant.

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You won't forget it. Snakes on the plate. So they traveled from Mount Hoar, this is Numbers 21-4, along the route to the Red Sea to go around Edom. So we're out here, we're wandering now. But the people grew impatient on the way. So remember, now we've had the water of cleansing. He literally had water come out of a rock. It wasn't like it was already flowing.

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He wrapped the rock, and then God provided. And this is after the water being parted so you could be liberated. So you'd think they'd be like, okay, God's going to take care of us. Nope. Yep. They spoke against God and against Moses. And they said, why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert? There's no bread. There's no water. Although we've already had it.

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And we detest this miserable food.

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Even though you've had delicious God-baked bread falling out of heaven for you to pick up and eat.

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And the quail. I mean, what are we doing? So because of this, the Lord sends venomous snakes among them. They bit the people and many Israelites died. So we got a little plague that happens now to Israel in the form of snakes, which Let's face it, we don't like snakes, especially poisonous snakes. I still don't like them.

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And Jason and I both have been sitting in a duck blind. It typically happens earlier in the year. And you hunt all morning in your bags there and all this. And you go to get out of the blind. You look back and right under where you were sitting is a big coiled up cottonmouth. It's happened many times. Many times.

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And, yeah, that happened. I told this story on the podcast before about the one. I was in the blind. when the one was laying on the log, and it was the wintertime, it was the only thing that saved you, because he tried to bite you, but he was a little slow, probably lethargic maybe, but that white coming right at your face, and I'm in the blind, and I hear, yee! And then it's 1,001, 1,002, Boom.

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And then it was like, what just happened? He said, I almost got snake bit. But he was like, high level. Oh, I know.

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So, Jace, we were in the school of preaching, and you were the first person to introduce me to early Christian leaders who were martyred for the cause. And it impacted you so much, it's also impacted me as well.

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It will work. The only problem with your analogy, Jay, is it only worked twice a year.

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There's a book, and it's called When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Frontlines with Persecuted Christians. It's written by Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host. I have to say, Voice of the Martyrs is a group that I began to follow, read their newsletter regularly. And see the work that they're doing. They're amazing.

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This new book that Todd has written invites you on a powerful journey to meet those bold believers and to hear stories. And this is a 20-year journey that he's taken into restricted nations. And these stories that are in here are so fascinating. And these are modern stories of people that continue to lay their lives on the line for faith. And here's the beautiful thing about it.

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That was a true story. I've actually seen a picture of it because Jay took a picture of that. Oh, boy, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, there's a picture. Yeah. I don't know that we want to show. Maddie said no show. Yeah. Wow. I'd kind of like to see that picture.

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It's just as soon as snakes came in, this is what happened.

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She was eight years old, I think.

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I don't know that we ever have, but if it did, it wasn't as funny as it was.

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Yeah, but Jan got bit. She was running through the front yard. Luckily for her, she was only eight years old. Only one fang got her, was the way Granny always told me this story. But she got super sick and, you know, could have died. I mean, small. Could have died.

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So let me get back to the point. So the people came to Moses. So to your point, Jason, they said, we sinned. We spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us. So they've realized in the moment that their grumbling and complaining has led to this moment. So Moses prayed for the people. Now, it's interesting because God could have just...

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taking the snakes away. I mean, he allowed them to come in.

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Is Need to Breathe the ski slope or the band?

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There you go. There you go. You deal with it. So the Lord said to Moses, here's what you decided to do. And this is where I think the point that even way back then, obviously because Jesus brings it up, there was this idea that you had to have faith and believe in who God is. Because think about the context of this moment. They didn't believe he would take care of them. Yeah.

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That's what they keep going back to. That is the point.

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I don't know if you've read verse 8 yet. No, I was about to. So it says, make a snake and put it on a pole. And anyone who's bitten can look on it and live. Now, that's an odd way to choose to do it, but that's what God told him to do. So Moses made a bronze snake and put it on a pole. And then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.

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So he came up with this kind of, from our perspective, inane, crazy process, but Jesus compared it to the lifting up of the snake to look up at it as him being lifted off the earth on a cross.

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jewelry worth a lot of money but it was the symbol of healing with the snakes wrapped around it's called the rod of asclepius is the greek one and then there was one called the caduceus and one of them is a single snake, and one of them has the two snakes. But to this day, they're still used as a symbol.

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And probably this story as well, because this story's been around a long time. The idea that if you look at it, there's healing. So the concept is there, but I think the point is... This story in Numbers was a reminder for the Jewish people that all things, all true cleansing comes from the Almighty God. The water of life comes from the Almighty God.

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And so Jesus is using those old stories and illustrations from the desert, as Jace mentioned, the Red Sea crossing, all of it, as the idea that everything has been pointing out to this time that I am the water. The spirit is the wind. The healing comes from me. I mean, you see all this stuff kind of coming into view, and he's trying to explain this to Nicodemus.

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He's like, you should know this from all these stories. Exactly. But to Nicodemus' credit, I mean, how many of us would understand as well? They had it in their mind.

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I do want to give you one little Paul Harvey, the rest of the story, because this bronze snake winds up making the trip into the promised land, and it winds up being in the Ark of the Covenant with a lot of other things from the trip, because God wanted them to remember what he did.

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So we get in 2 Kings 18, and guess what happens? In this time of idolatry, the people start worshiping the bronze snake. Exactly. And so Hezekiah, who was the king at the time, said, cut that thing into pieces and spread it out all over Israel where we won't worship the bronze snake. So it just shows you the idea that even the symbols, people tend to want to worship them.

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Well, they'll even use the terminology from the old temple. Like we got the sanctuary, we have the altar, we bring forward all the things.

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Right. Which is why he goes, for the rest of this text, in his last closing argument, to Nicodemus is basically, I think, a recreation of how John started this book in John 1, 1 through 18. He goes right back through that because he uses all the same terminology. He begins at creation. He goes into life and light. That's where he's going to go in those same words.

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I've seen this guy at Life Stories.

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Yeah. Would you say just the people who are in great shape are going to die healthy?

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That's why I love the idea of being lifted up. And I go with the 2 Corinthians 5.21, God made him who had no sin to be sin for us. So that ladder we talked about in John 1.51 between heaven and earth is Jesus. lifted up for all of mankind to be able to trust in and have salvation, which is his point.

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I mean, that is incredible. It's reestablished glory, which we've talked about a lot. So we'll finish up this part in 316, and then we'll get into some of the back and forth that we kind of teased with John the Baptist and Jesus' disciples. Next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.

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So a phone call interrupts when you're watching a sermon.

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So did you make it long enough to hear my story about stealing? Did you hear that?

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So that's okay. So in Ephesians 4 is where I was preaching, I don't know. You remember in that text, Paul gets down to the point and says, those who have been stealing must steal. Yeah, I made that analogy a few times. And so I told the story, and I've never talked about this public.

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It was funny how it just popped into my brain because I was speaking on the side of our – we have two assemblies that go at the same time. And on our instrumental side, the crowd is more of a celebrate recovery crowd. And so, man, when I'm talking about all these things that Paul says don't do – This audience is right with me because, you know, we were talking about lying. Yeah.

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We're talking about stealing. We're talking about hustlers. We got any hustlers in there? You should have seen the reaction. So they're with me. And it prompted me to tell the story. I was like, you know, my dad, he told us when we were growing up, Jace, you remember this. He said, don't steal. That was a big thing with that.

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Butt whooping offense. You don't even consider it. If it does not belong to you, you walk right past it. I mean, he did not like thievery at all. He hated it. And that's why he was so protective of his nets and his materials. So I knew don't steal no matter what.

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But I was making the point that stealing in the context of Ephesians 4, remember he says, I don't want you to steal, but I want you to work so you can produce something to give to someone else. So the whole point of stealing is most of the time, especially the people who have had problems with addiction, like most people I was speaking directly to, you steal because you want something.

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And it's easy. It's easy. You hustle and sell drugs because you want to do drugs. And that was totally resonant. So I broke dad's rule and the rule of the almighty.

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Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason, did you catch my sermon yesterday or were you on the road?

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I mean, I'm sure I stole something else, but I'm saying the only time I remember Actually, being a part of thievery was when I was a teenager living apart from the Lord, and we wanted to drink, but we didn't have enough money to buy beer. So you stole the beer out? No, we didn't steal the beer. This is where the story gets funny, and it was funny in the moment.

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So I said, we decided we would steal car batteries. which, when you think about it, is a really stupid thing to steal because they weigh like 50 pounds apiece. But they were easy pickings because you don't realize how many people at their houses, underneath their carports, there's just a battery sitting out there. It's all around town.

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But us, in our inebriated minds, we saw that as an opportunity. So we would go and grab a battery and run and jump in the truck and drive off. There were people hollering. It's a wonder. We could have been killed easily. But I said, the only thing I was thinking about was buying beer. And so we would take those batteries and sell them for $3 a piece.

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at some place in town that bought old batteries.

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So that's how we made our beer money. And so I said, so if some of you old-timers are here today, which would have been the other side of our assembly, I said, if you're thinking, man, somebody got my battery back in 1981, I was like, it was me. I owe you three bucks. So just find me afterwards, and I'll make good on it.

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I was thinking the same thing.

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Don't do it. It's not worth it. It's a bad idea. One is it hurts your back, and there's a lot of bad things, so don't do it.

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Well, what if I had been shot on somebody else's property, which could have easily happened, especially in 1981, for stealing a stupid battery that was worth $3 to resell? It's idiotic. But my point was when you're thinking selfishly and not at all how to produce something to help other people, that was Paul's point in Ephesians.

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I know it. It had to be Jeff. Which one? Jeff.

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He and Jeff are the same age. They had their little particles together.

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The salty dog. You know what? Let me tell you the rest of the story. What if the owner of the salty dog is a podcast listener and says, man, I knew those shorts thieves.

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That would be an awesome story. And then see what they said. See what they say.

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And they take no parking as a suggestion rather than a law. Well.

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Yeah. And that's just what we do. And we naturally slow down at a bridge in case someone's fishing on it. Is that not true?

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Oh, we got a bailiff here now. Here's the bailiff for Justin.

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People's Court. Yeah. Oh, classic. It started the whole craze. Now there's judges everywhere. Everybody's a judge.

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And let's face it, the intriguing part would be all the different disputes that arise between rednecks.

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Well, I think we have to do what we've always done. Jace is the last three things he's done. He throws it out to Unashamed Nation. What do y'all think? So I think we have to ask the audience.

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Well, I say if this thing goes that Missy must be the bailiff. Oh, my God. Do you remember the original?

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Would you be the bailiff, Missy? Why do you need to do this show with Jason?

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Decision-making process. Zach, do you remember who the original bailiff was on people's court? I do. I can remember his face. Rusty. Rusty the bailiff.

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I don't know. That's why Missy is a contributor on this podcast, not a regular.

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We're going to see O.J. Wright do his thing.

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Which, by the way, that's another reason why that we all grew up this way and learned this. But hospitality... It's such a huge part of our belief system to have the house where people can come to be able to do that. We had a group over last night. This was a guy that I'd shared with years and years ago. Now he's married. He's got two kids. His sister and brother-in-law are in town. They're a kid.

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They're all over at the house. It's a place to gather, to grow, and to have fellowship. It's important.

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I literally thought I had something on my shirt.

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For those of you listening, she's kind of like muscle checking on Karen, which she's just blushed.

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Give it time, babe. You know what he needed, Missy, to go to Jay's? Trauma.

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I'm going to go more than that. And you know what's interesting is, Missy, that now, because I'm the oldest in the family, so now my grandkids are getting married, which is a whole other next level. And so my other grandkids make fun of Carly because she always wants to hang out with Joey. Like he's out working, he's a worker, you know, he builds stuff. And so he's out working on stuff.

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Well, she sits out there with him. Well, Lisa and I look at that. We're so proud of that because it's like they want to be together. That's the way we were when we first got together. And it'll be sparks and all that stuff. But we realize that because we're now three generations into watching this. Now the others are like, oh, God, I can't do anything without Joey. And I'm like, leave them alone.

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They're building a life together. So it's like you get to see this experience of watching your legacy grow and in real time, it's an amazing thing. The Bible's full of it in the Old Testament, especially. I mean, to generation, to generation, to generation. And you're right, the swell of a heart just gets more proud with every generation.

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But, Jase, think about it from our perspective of how now you're talking about legacy building. We used to be young and be in a setting where we're watching dad get up in front of audiences for the first time and start out just duck stuff like DU banquets and all that, but then grew into him preaching and sharing the gospel with people. And we were the same way.

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We were the kids watching, and our kids were watching their grandpa preaching And we just ran this little clip, Missy, recently, because we were talking about dad being John the Baptist in one of the church dramas. And the way he memory comes down the aisle and he's like, you know, who flee, who told you to flee from the coming wrath? Well, we found that Maddie's like, can you find that?

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And I was like, it's on VHS somewhere. She's like, I'll convert it if you get it to. And she did. She's on the podcast. All these people, I can't believe this. And I'm like, yeah, that was dad. Like that was 30 years ago in his prime, like being John the Baptist in a church drama. But I thought that's what you want to create that.

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going forward so that each generation, your grandkids now, they'll get to experience as they get older, it'll be J-Rock up sharing the gospel with people. What better thing than that?

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But you got that from grandpa, my grandpa.

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So I was teaching. And Missy would know because there was no money.

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You were the breadwinner at the women's clinic.

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But Chase's whole weird personality fits junior high perfectly. Yeah, for some reason. For some reason they connect. And I can give you some tips.

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All they needed to do... This is why you need to be Judge Jace.

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$100 at a time. Jace was taking on Big Pharma before we knew about Big Pharma.

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aid. We also found out, Zach. We also found out what Jace's internship was worth, $100. $100, he said. He walked away for the $100.

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Abdicating means that you're not taking responsibility. You're letting somebody else take your responsibility.

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So, Missy, you asked a question earlier why I'm on this podcast. Thank you for answering your question. And thank you for being on the Unashamed Podcast.

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And if it was a wet day— So when you total a vehicle worth $1,500, you're actually just putting it out of its misery, Jace, at that point.

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All right. We'll have to have Missy back on to talk about this more. It's really good. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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I remember I had something like that, too.

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Well, you know, Des, so Sunday in my sermon, I realized now you were on the road, so you didn't get to hear it. But I quoted you. Well, actually, I quoted the way you do things in my sermon because I was in Ephesians 3.1. And I said, this is a thought within a thought within a thought. because Paul starts there with it for this reason, but he picks it up in verse 14.

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So his whole 2 through 13 is a rabbit hole in the text.

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This is Ephesians. Okay. Sorry, I missed it. So a thought within a thought.

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Of a thought. Well, there you go. Well, I knew you would understand this. So I said, and here's how I got this point to understand to be able to preach to you today, is because this is on the podcast what we call a rabbit hole. And Jace is the Elmer Fudd of the Unashamed podcast.

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Now, I had to explain that to anybody under 50 because I don't know who Elmer Fudd is, that he would chase down the wascally wabbit, right? So I said, but this is what we do. We have a thought, and then it leads to a thought that then Jace takes – to the, as you described, the thought within the thought. So I did quote you as the great rabbit hole chaser.

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Jace is Elmer Fudd. Zach dresses like Elmer Fudd. Excellent, Jace.

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They were sensing a genuine hatred for our beloved cousin Zach.

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Missy, Jace even tore down the fourth wall and commented on how Zach does ads on the podcast, which we never talk about.

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Welcome back to Unashamed. We have one of our favorite contributing participants to the Unashamed podcast, Missy. I call you Jace's truth detector, Missy, because it's kind of deep in here. Sometimes I have to wear my hip boots with some of the stuff he says. So we'd love having you in to just make sure. Can I tell you the back story on this? I love it. There's always a back story.

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Well, of course, it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this. I didn't even feel weird about it. And the reason why is because cozy earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn.

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And I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night. and to get into my Cozy Earth pajamas.

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Maybe she's just saying it to pinch herself in reality to say, oh, thank you, Lord. Jason's not talking. That's what you were saying. That is not true.

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We never have an answer. We always have a general idea. So while you're here, Missy, let me ask you this. Maybe Missy can help with this. So I walk in. I'm showing some visitors around our area.

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set up here because we got our new studio is this first time this is it's great yes our new studio and so like all of our producers you know for all the podcasts and everything are just right across the hall sadie's podcast room and all that so i'm taking them in there where there's a big whiteboard and i'm like showing people around they're like what is this i look at it and i have no idea it says judge jace at the top of it

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And then it's got all these little, it's like a Venn diagram underneath it with all these things it's pointing to. And they were like, what is that? And I was like, I have no idea. This is somebody's idea of a sick joke. So I don't know.

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Yeah, we did a little gathering with Jill's family. Smoked the turkey. We did the whole thing. Our dressing was not overly runny. It was not overly dry. It was perfect. We didn't put ducks in it, though. But the turkey was – I'm having a hard time with this, learning how to smoke. stuff on this Traeger grill. Um, and so I need to.

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And you got to let it rest. I mean, that's the thing.

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But I'm like, you know what? What you want is SPG, salt, pepper, garlic.

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We may try to make the journey down there next year.

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Well, I heard it was like a family reunion. Melissa said it was like all the cousins came, the whole deal, you know, so it'd be nice to see everybody. Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm most excited, Jace, about – you employing the department of efficiency on, on the baked pies that you came in and you just said, we're going, we're going to gut this thing. We're going to gut this bureaucracy of sugar and we're just going to see what happens. And everybody was like, well, how you can't do that. But you, you were bold.

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You went in there and said, no, we're going to cut it. And then they took a bite and they said, you know what? It's better.

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He pardoned him not just for the firearm deal. He pardoned him. Yeah, everything for 10 years. Tax deal, the whole. I'm like, man.

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And when he says that, think about when he says that in the image of God, See, this is the problem that we get into with talks about sexuality, is we try to divorce the concept of sexuality from intention and design. And I love that you would go back to the Genesis creation story to anchor the whole discussion in that, because what he says is, let us make man in our image.

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I got chastised for saying it was six feet. They said that I don't know what I'm talking about. It's more like 10 to 12 feet, so I don't know.

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In the image of God, he created man. both male and female. And so part of our image-bearing properties is the fact that we are diverse sexes, male and female, coming together

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in the union of the sexual union oh by the way you know what happens at the climax of the sexual union it produces more life so you even see that like the triune nature of god you see it in this relationship and the reason why paul says that this is idolatry because think what is idolatry When I think of idolatry, I think of the idols.

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I don't know why I think of like little statues up on a, like a mantle somewhere, but it's like, it's like, I think about, you get a knife out and a piece of wood and and you literally, with your own hands, you carve out an image, a statue of something, you put it up on a shelf, and then you worship the article that you carved, which seems like crazy. Why would I worship something that I made?

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Well, because truthfully, what you're doing when you do that is you're worshiping yourself. And that's the reason why idols are so powerful. You look back at the Old Testament, And you read these stories of people worshiping idols and you're like, how stupid could you be? Why would you worship a statue? Well, that's what you're not worshiping the statue. They're worshiping themselves.

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We do the same thing. And so with this with this idea of sexuality or sexual immorality, rather impurity.

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passion, evil passion really, evil desire and covetousness, what all that is ultimately, it is an elevation of the self and it is a worship of the self instead of the, it's a worship of the creature rather than the creator that created the creature, Romans chapter 1, which is why he says in the very next verse that On account of these, the wrath of God is coming.

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That's the same wrath of God that's mentioned in the first two chapters of Romans, which was God leaving them to themselves because they chose to worship and serve the created things rather than the creator. I think that that's why in sexuality, by the way, It seems to be the most visceral expression of that. So I think that's why it says that, Jace.

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I think that's why you see that sensuality vein running through this entire text, this idea of not being able to stop the indulgence of the flesh, because it's so visceral and so powerful. But ultimately, at its core, it is a worship of self over the worship of God.

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It's interesting when you read Romans 1, and it says they basically worshipped images. And you think, man, how dumb can you be? Like, how stupid? Who would ever worship an image? says the culture who literally worships sexual images. You're looking at pixels on a screen. And I'm not trying to shame anybody. I mean, this is like an epidemic. But we have worshipped pixels on a screen.

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Pornography is literally pixels. on a screen. It's not real.

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And maybe it won't. Maybe it won't have that. Maybe it'll have a lot more views after our endorsement.

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Yeah, I said it looks like you're six feet apart, and then some of the audience said that I was an idiot. Yeah. that it's more like 10 feet. I'm like, well, they're right.

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But to be fair, six feet is like 10 feet. It's not like I'm talking about six feet versus 60 feet.

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No, I feel weird. I stand corrected. I stand corrected. It's 12 feet, guys.

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That's the old Elon Musk technique. You just go in there and start slashing stuff. Yeah, I did.

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It's a dangerous place I live in.

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It's a vote of confidence. I mean, look, it's legacy. I mean, that's what you've got to remember in all this is that the legacy is being passed down. The pumpkin or the sweet potato pies are getting better. The dressing is a work in progress, but you're trying, you know what I mean, on that front.

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Well, she picked me up because I actually did a father and son trip. I was being a good dad. So I took Fred. Did some camping out in the woods. Not camping. I took Fred to a little place we like to call San Antonio, Texas. Uh-oh.

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Uh-oh. For a little tournament. A Final Four action? A little tournament they call the Final Four. You guys may have heard about that.

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Well, it's offensive because Christ is offensive and the gospel is offensive because... if you don't have an imagination for what this bread would taste like, then whatever you've been eating, C.S. Lewis called it mud pies in the slum. He said we can't fathom a holiday by the sea because we're settling for these mud pies in the slum. that you can't have an imagination for what God's offered.

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And actually Paul says that too, I think in 1 Corinthians, what no eye has seen or no ear has heard or the heart of man has not imagined what God has prepared for those who love him. So we can't even imagine what that is. So it's offensive because what essentially at the core of the gospel, there's this thread that runs through it, which is this, that there is a God and I'm not him.

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And I think at some point in every person's life, if you're going to walk with Jesus, you're going to have to get to that realization that there is a God, I'm not him, and I'm going to submit to him no matter what. Whatever it says about my sexuality, whatever it says about how I conduct myself sexually with my money, with my time. with my effort. It's all coming up under his lordship.

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Yeah. Florida was ahead. They won. They won. Florida won. Go Gators. Congratulations, Zach. I mean, it was just.

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And that's offensive because I don't want to release my own autonomy. I think I know how to construct my life in a way, in a manner that's going to be pleasurable for me. But the truth is that when I've taken that own sovereignty for myself and said, I'm going to run this like I want to run it, that's never actually worked out well.

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Which is funny, because the text here in John 6, the correlation in the Old Testament is pretty obvious, right? That there's manna coming down from...

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It's interesting how what they did, though, when the, I think we mentioned this on a previous podcast, that they, I mean, you think about if you're in the, if you're in, you're part of the Israelites and you've witnessed the parting of the Red Sea, for crying out loud. I mean, you've witnessed these, all the 10 plagues that happened in Egypt. I mean, I would think that for me, I would be like,

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I'm going with this God, Yahweh. I'm in, He provides. And then whenever you're hungry, bread literally falls out of the sky. But they were so afraid of turning over their lives to trust in Him that they would hoard up the bread for themselves. And so I think what you see that the picture here is Christ is saying, I'm that bread. I'm going to provide. I'm the one who sustains all of this.

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Fred's here, too, somewhere. Fred's excited. He loved it. I upgraded my seats.

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But for whatever reason, we humans, we think that we somehow got to, yes, I got you, but I'm going to have a little stash over here, whatever your stash may be. Well, because it's earthly.

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Jill's here as well. Jill drove in, and I flew in.

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No, I said, I don't remember exactly how much I spent.

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Yeah, they're playing checkers and Jesus is playing 40 chess.

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I feel like y'all been gossiping about me while I was gone. I'm just asking the questions here.

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Wow. We got to move on. We really do. Jesus paid for it, y'all. Come on.

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Think about what Paul says. He says the Jews demand miraculous signs, and the Gentiles don't. demand wisdom or intellectual argument, but we preach Christ and crucified. So he's, Paul's acknowledging kind of this spirit of what you're reading right now.

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It's more than fascinating. I would say that it is... core central truth to understanding the kingdom. If you think about what our podcast is called, Not Yet Now, because it's about the kingdom of God being not yet here, but it is here now. It's here now, but not fully here. Why does it matter?

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Everything Jace just said, because I do want to sit in this for a minute because I think this is the key.

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I mean, just think about how many rare times it is. But it flies in the face of how most Christians have grown up thinking about heaven. Yeah. We're directionally challenged when we think about heaven. We think it's us going there. And this world is not my home, as we used to sing. I'm just passing through. My treasures, they're laid up somewhere beyond the blue. They're way out there.

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It's way out there. But what the scripture says here is for the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven. So the direction is actually the opposite. We're not going to heaven. Heaven's coming to us and gives life to the world. Not death. Christ comes and brings life to the world. This is not an escape hatch plan. This is not how we're going to get off planet Earth.

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Planet Earth is going to be redeemed. This will change the way you see everything because now everything has more significance. It's not the world's going to hell in a handbasket. It's that God's going to redeem the world. He's going to... The whole physical universe. Well, that he is. He is redeeming the world.

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People who have a bad understanding of this might say something like, I heard a preacher one time say, I can't wait to get out of this meat suit. Talking about his own body. Like it's a meat suit. But Jesus incarnates into a body. That means something. God became king in a body. He was in a body. So this physical bread matters. The physical universe matters. God is coming in.

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That was the plan? That was the plan.

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He's breaking into our world and he's making all things right. To me, that is a gospel that will preach because I grew up hearing only the gospel of death, meaning Jesus died to save me from my sin. And that was it. And? And what? And he gave himself for the life of the world. Yes, died for my sins so that I may live and have life and life abundantly. Al, you came to Christ.

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Well, to be fair, the first class was an upgrade.

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One of the key moments was my mom inviting you somewhere. Do you remember where it was? Camp Chioka. Camp Chioka. So for us, our family, camp's always been a big part.

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Yeah, that's why we love our partners at the Tomorrow Clubs, because they focus on discipling and teaching young children about the love of Jesus Christ. They started back in Ukraine in 1997, and they've grown to become the country's largest children's ministry in Ukraine. That's incredible.

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Three years ago, war in Ukraine turned everything upside down, but in the midst of it all, God opened doors. And as families are forced to flee their homes, Tomorrow Clubs offered hope to kids who are facing unimaginable hardship. And today, against all odds, the ministry in Ukraine is growing. I love this.

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This blows me away that there are nearly 14,000 kids that now gather each week to learn what it means to follow Jesus, all because of Tomorrow Clubs. Awesome. This is exactly what we stand for in this podcast. It's long-term discipleship relationships, partnering with local churches.

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Yeah. I knew we had a hot take. She told me two days ago she was over it, though. But apparently there's some unresolved. Well, you know me. I'm just trying to dig in there and help your relationships. You know what they say about resentments. No expectations, I'm sorry.

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Go to tomorrowclubs.org slash unashamed today to learn more and become a Tomorrow Club's ministry partner. That's tomorrowclubs.org slash unashamed. We left off the life part. We just left it off. And we wonder why so many young people are just like, we sat there.

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Yeah, it's the dealing with death is hard when we talk about like our particular eschatology, it's hard to talk about it because there is pain and suffering. You know, one side you've got, like I remember sitting in front of these college kids and when we were doing college ministry here at ULM. And I thought, if I have to sit, my thought was, I'm sitting here looking at 18-year-old kids.

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And at the time, I'm like, I'm going to tell them, come to Jesus, grind out a pretty miserable life, don't do anything fun for about 60 years. 60 more years. And hope you make it.

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You gotta have people. You're his survey team. You know how you said you had people? I got people now. Jill. Yeah. Jill's my people.

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Expectations are premeditated resentment. So we're dealing with the marital problems right now.

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Jill doesn't know about the roast you got. I should have told you before you came on, Jill.

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We need to get you one of these. I need one of those at my house. We got one of the biggest arguments we got into when I used the phrase, all of that discourse. People are going to think we have a really bad marriage because any time I'm on here, we're talking about a fight.

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Well, what I was going to say before we got sidetracked there is that you tell a college kid, 60 years, grind it out, and then you get to go to heaven. I mean, that's a tough sell. That's when I began to really start thinking about, man, is there more to the gospel than just, hey, man, grind it out for 60 years.

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And then, and what we learned in college ministry is that by the time these kids came to us, I mean, they had tried everything under the sun. I mean, it's like a different world now than what we grew up in. They had tried everything and they were miserable and they were searching and they needed a reference. They needed connection. They needed intimacy.

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They had no context for what life could be like now in Christ. So that was the one side of it. But the other side of it is then you preach that and people who are going through a tough time are like, man, my life's man, I'm dealing with the death of my mom or something. And that's difficult to deal with. But there's actually a book, one of my favorite books, it talks about this.

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It's actually written on this verse. It's about this verse for the life of the world. Jesus gave him his flesh for the life of the world. The whole book is written on that topic. And he says that... The death, the way we deal with death as Christians, we don't say death doesn't matter. We mourn at the grave. We cry at the grave. Jesus wept at the grave of Lazarus. Why?

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Well, when I bought the hotel, everything was booked. I got Motel 6, but it was $350 a night, which I was like, whoa, this is like, But it looked nice. I was like, well, it looks clean. I mean, it's a Motel 6, too.

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Because what we're saying is we're saying that this is not the way that the world should be, and it's not the way the world will be. Christ is going to redeem, and all the things that you feel in your mourning and in your sorrow and in your pain, That's actually a testimony of the way that God wants to bring heaven to earth, and one day that will be gone.

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Yeah, because if you think about that pain, I haven't had that. I've had objections with God before my life, and I was probably— You were offended at God? I have been offended at God. Yeah, that's why I asked you the question, does this offend you? And I've also felt like I've had a lot of questions, is he real? I mean, that's why I got into, honestly, all the big words, because I needed—

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That's what I said. I thought maybe they've redone the whole thing down there. I mean, who knows? I get down there. I mean, this thing.

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I studied a lot of philosophy and apologetics. For me, that was very helpful. But I'll say this, that I never really struggled with the problem of evil, is what that term is, because when I think about, like, when I really think about the pain of losing someone you love, like my mom, or like even like watching Phil, you know, and Kay, you know, like that hurts, you know what I mean?

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And when I think about that, Like, I don't know, why does that hurt? Like, what is that? Like, what is that pain? Like, I mean, what is that pain? Why would you care? If there is no God, why would I even care? I wouldn't care. I wouldn't care. It's just, we're all just propagating one's DNA, as Richard Dawkins says. You know, that's the sole purpose of life, is pitiless indifference.

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Evolution, strong and survive. But I know in my soul, That's not true. Even if I believe that intellectually, which I don't, but even if I did believe that intellectually, guess what? In my soul, there is something in me that's testifying, nope, that's not true. And I can't explain it. I can't defend it. There's no apologetic for it.

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I'm just telling you, something in me, and when I say in me, I mean deep in me, at the very core and the center of my being says, nope, There's more. There's more, and they matter. I mean, that's a testament to God.

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I've seen a few babies come into the world.

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Yeah. So if you look around the perimeter of the hotel, it looked like Skid Row. I mean, it was just like, I mean, it was.

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Because she was supposed to. There's no excuse for this. There is. I've gotten a text saying, from our producer Cole on our other podcast, another shameless plug, not yet now. And she did not do her job, which was to come up with the title description.

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I feel like we need to speed this thing along.

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We're working through issues. You've done a lot of counseling with couples.

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I don't disagree with that. Well, I hope not.

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What I'm saying, though, is this is what I feel like. I'm on the flashback. When me and Jill first got married, we talked about this on our other podcast just last week.

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No, this is something separate. We did premarital counseling after we got married because we were apart during our engagement. Well, that explains everything.

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You waited too late to get it worked out. No, I knew. And I walked in there. I got the same feeling with you guys. You sit down with Jill, and she's more charming than me. That's true. I'm a lot more susceptible to be pegged as a villain. Yeah.

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Yeah, I know that. I mean, you think about being raised in the family I was raised in. All the older cousins. It all goes back to when he was 12 or 13.

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Anyway. So welcome back, Zach. It's good to have you back. It's good to be back. I did leave that hotel, though. I told the guy, this is not what you advertised. And he's like, well, it's what it is. No, I'm going to have to side with Motel 6.

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It's a 14-seater. No. Well, because it was converted.

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They would not. Would not refund my money. No, no.

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But I said, I can't stay here. In a court of law, who would have won? Me. No. It's a non-smoking room. I said, this smells like smoke. He said, no, it doesn't. I said, yes, it does. You went to a Motel 6. They all smell like smoke. Well, then you need to advertise. The room is a smoking room.

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I couldn't find a hotel room then. So my pride got to me in the argument with a guy. This is actually a good biblical lesson. My pride got to me. And I'm like, you're not going to take advantage of me. I'm going to leave. Of course, he kept the money. He didn't care. Probably re-rented the room. And then I end up at a worse place.

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That's what happened. So the stay was... You got your justice there, Jill.

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But it's good to be in Westman Row. Yeah. It's always good to have you back. Well, I'm itching. I'm looking. That's only been 10 minutes. Wow, that felt like an hour.

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Along with 12 other children, apparently. It's been reduced to a nine-seater. They hold nine people right now as it sits in the parking lot. Y'all needed as many kids as y'all have.

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And I was completely powerless.

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And it looks like he's in the woods because there's woods behind it. He's in the woods. Yeah.

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Just make it natural. So there it was. Speaking of Zach.

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Yeah, it was like pretty rude. In fact, we had a lot of – it wasn't here, but like up north, northeast, right in the corner of Louisiana, they had tornadoes.

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See, that's how production works. Somebody tells you to do stuff. No, you just don't wander off camera and come back.

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He's saying how can it not be true because obviously they're not looking at the sky.

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So, Cy, you mentioned my sermon yesterday because I did an overview of Ephesians because we're about to study Ephesians at the church. So was that the point you liked the most was –

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Yeah. We're starting to study the book of Ephesians, which we did on the podcast, and so my job was to give an overview of what the whole book is about, which, of course, is about Jesus, which was great for where we're going in the book of John, because I don't know of a better place to zero in on the, I am who Jesus is, especially in John one.

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But in doing that, I was trying to show the different like snapshots that Paul did. And I mentioned this in a previous podcast that NT Wright called it the,

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Yeah, the local weather people were just, yeah. I was trying to watch.

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london i it was just like a perspective of above and you get to look at the whole picture the song i'm looking through the window yeah up above right exactly and you get to see that which is really powerful so that was my whole point in the sermon trying to give that big picture overview of of who christ is well because that's why i got on the kick okay and my preaching when i'm out about talking about hey look

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Just y'all beyond magic. And I quoted the verse yesterday in first John four, you know, we love because Christ first loved us. I was going to mention this, Jace, you mentioned about John and its uniqueness and, And I mentioned before a little bit about the other books, but someone wrote it this way, which I thought was pretty good. I wrote this down. This is Matthew. This is the Messiah, the king.

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Worship him. We talked about that kind of from a Jewish perspective. Mark. This is the servant who served humanity. Follow him. Would you get that theme in his book? Luke, this is the only man among men without sin. Emulate him. It's kind of the thrust and definitely seen from the Greek perspective. John, this is God in human flesh. Believe in him.

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This book is more about challenging what you believe. to be true, and the idea you come to the point where you say, there's really no other way I can live without this being true because you're always going to fall short otherwise.

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Which for duck hunting down here is usually a good thing. Usually a good thing. Clear.

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Which, to buttress your point, that's why in Ephesians 1... It says before the creation of the world, he predetermined to predestine us to be like him, to conform in his image. To Cy's point, he did that out of immense love. And he hadn't even created us yet, to your point. He's always been there. The love has always been there all throughout eternity. So there's no separation of that.

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It's not like... The Messiah is just going to show up at some point to do these things because he has no nothing in the game here. He's been a part of it from before the creation of the world.

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Because I said it just yesterday in my sermon, over 50 times in the book of Ephesians, in Christ, in him, you know, because of him.

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It's him. Yeah. And it's not us. We make too much out of being his predetermination to love us, which was the key to everything.

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And you're like, well, they don't love death.

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And the same analogy works for darkness being the opposite of light.

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So I came out... So for those of you listening, Jason's put a... It looks like a sable, maybe a mink...

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neck wrap he's double wrapped around his neck so i it's like a bearded marilyn monroe so i came out of the closet wearing this and my wife is looking at me that's an infinity scarf you know what she said did you know that's an infinity scarf no that's not what she said she said that's what maddie just she said uh

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Even to that point, even 14, 15, 16 to John leads up to that concept of oneness because he's saying, I'm going to leave, but I'll still be here. Yeah. Because I'm sitting here.

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Yeah, because you double twist it. I can see why they call it. It's like the infinity sign.

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They're saying if you wear this, you will live forever.

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Because you're right, James. What he's done is he's now expanded what the definition of the true Messiah really was. In other words, they only view the Messiah coming as a prophet, as in Elijah, to tell us about the Father. Jesus blows their mind because he says, no, I and the Father are one.

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I'm coming not just as the Messiah, but as the Savior of the world, the Son of God and God, which is what makes his argument so powerful. And you're right. They never, all of their history and everything they had looked for in the Messiah, the restoration of Israel, physical Israel, all the stuff that was there, they never understood that God would become flesh.

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I hunted yesterday. And raining. But you knew it was coming, this big polar vortex. And so mom was supposed to come in and go to church and come to my house for my birthday. We were having a little lunch. Mainly I planned it around her coming in. And then I got word that she didn't come in because she was worried about slipping and falling on the ice. Oh, wow. And I was like, it's 75 degrees.

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And I... It's never cold enough to wear it unless you hunt.

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imaging that in our marriage is why we're in image all right we got much more to talk about but we won't do it on this podcast because we're out of time so we'll pick it up next time thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by leaving a rating and review on apple podcast and don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube and be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode

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It's like a toothbrush. Once you've used it, it's yours.

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Some old guy, he's not going to lie. I think their clothes are warmer because they're much thinner than us generally. You're pretty thin, but for the rest of us, I got my own little heat extras going on.

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Because every hour matters when clearing and all that.

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Is that what that characterized, Zach, as an emoji, a picture of the sun on his phone?

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Nobody else had an infinity scarf though, but you.

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What is it now? Well, now it's 35 right now. But it got down to 28 last night.

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What's funny is I wasn't there, but I guess I've hunted enough to know. I walked outside to my truck. At 845 and it was cloudy and I thought, hmm, that's not good because it's cold. The wind's blowing, but I thought that's probably not good for Jason then because it should be clear, not knowing anything you were going through.

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And then I go get my truck at 10 to come down here because I take some food by mom and dad's. And the clear line had already hit in town, but it was still 30 minutes from you. And I thought, you know what? This is probably going to be a story on the podcast.

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Well, I said, Mom, are you worried about them throwing out ice at the church after the morning breakfast or whatever? What ice are we going to slip on when it's 75? Yeah. But she was just looking ahead to potential ice. So y'all were all geared up. You were going to hunt. It was excitement.

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He doesn't trust any of it now, Zach. That's what happens. I got an idea.

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It's almost like they're just taunting you with the smile.

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Well, it's funny because while you were dealing with all that, we were – yes, I was watching – trying to watch football games, but this severe weather was in our area during the games. And so I'm watching our two local television stations where they're cutting in.

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Of course, at least now they'll have a little picture of the game going on while they're in a bigger picture telling you what's going on with the weather. So I'm not saying they did anything wrong. They're just trying to tell you where the tornado might be. But the production value –

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One thing I appreciate about the Weather Channel, it's kind of a compilation of at least accomplished people on camera. There's a woman up here locally.

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It was so terrible. So she wasn't from here. And look, she's on camera, and she's looking down and reading, which I get that. She's getting bulletins, the weather things behind her. And she kept walking off camera. She would just wander off.

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We're just looking at an empty chair with the thing, and she's talking in the background. And I just thought, Maddie, where's Maddie? Maddie, you need a weekend job because at least stay on camera when you're talking to your audience. I think we need to hold these people accountable in some way.

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Oh, it's worse than the minor leagues. It's not even semi-pro. This is before you get into single A ball. This poor woman. She's wandered into this job from someplace, but she does not need to be on TV.

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Well, you did though. Weren't you the weatherman on an episode on the Little Duck Show? Was that?

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He was the weatherman? Because y'all took over. It was a takeover of the local TV station.

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Well, they did a remote. No, they went to dad in a remote.

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I wasn't in that episode, but I watched it, yeah.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We're back in our boxes. That's what I call it.

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Exactly. And just if you're keeping score at home, I do have a running list of kind of the, I would call them the arch questions that we've read so far. I think this were up to seven. What do you seek, John 138? Why do you involve me? John 2, 4, speaking to his mom. Will you give me a drink? John 4, 7. Do you want to get well? John 5, 6. And that was the guy that he references back in the text.

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We're in John 7. Where shall we buy bread for the people to eat? John 6, 5. And that, of course, was to one of the disciples. And then he addressed all the disciples and said, do you want to leave too? You do not want to leave too, do you? That's John 6, 67. And then this one, which is actually kind of a two-part question, Jase.

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Has not Moses given you the law, yet none of you has been able to keep the law? Why are you trying to kill me? Which is John 7, 19. So if you're keeping score, that's the sort of arch questions that we've been talking about in the book so far. Yeah.

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Yeah, at 35. Do you want me to read it? Yeah, why don't you read it? All right. So he says, we're going off the last statement he said, which is, I am with you for only a short time. And then I go to the one who sent me. This is in 33. You will look for me, but you will not find me. And where I am, you cannot come. Of course, we know he's talking about the ascension.

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And then verse 35, the Jews said to one another, where does this man intend to go that we cannot find him? Will he go where our people live scattered among the Greeks and teach the Greeks? Which is interesting because that's exactly what was going to happen. But that's not what he was talking about, but it would happen. What did he mean when he said, you will look for me, but you will not find me.

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Where I am, you cannot come. So that's kind of the pondering.

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Which the answer would have been absolutely. So this is kind of, remember we said this was like an eight-day feast. He waited a few days before he started. So he started in about midweek. And now in verse 37, John moves us to the last and greatest day of the feast. So now we're at the end of the feast. And so Jesus stood and says in a loud voice, If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.

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Whoever believes in me, as the scriptures has said, streams of living water will flow from within him. And then we get John, of course, giving us the commentary on what he meant. By this, he meant the spirit whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Because remember, he's writing this after all this has happened.

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Up to that time, the spirit had not been given since Jesus had not yet been glorified. So that's kind of the commentary of what he meant. And we've referenced this a few times. On hearing his words, some of the people said, surely this man is the prophet.

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So I'm assuming they are talking about lead into the Messiah, which of course John the Baptist had already been there, but that's what they said. Then others said, no, he is the Christ or the Messiah. Still others asked, how can the Christ, the Messiah, come from Galilee? Does not the scripture say that the Christ will come from David's family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?

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Thus the people were divided because of Jesus. Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him. So you're kind of in that mid zone now where they're contemplating the possibilities, but still a lot of people just can't quite buy it. And so here's the last little section, which is interesting in verse 45.

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Finally, the temple guards went back to the chief priest and Pharisees who asked them, why didn't you bring him in? Because remember, they were sent to arrest him. That was back in 32. And so they came back and they said, well, where is he? No one ever spoke the way this man does, the guards declare, which I find comical because what defense is that for not getting your man?

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You mean he has deceived you also, the Pharisees retorted? Has any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him? No, but this mob that knows nothing of the law, there's a curse on them.

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That's pretty harsh. Nicodemus, who is one of them, by the way, in verse 50, who had gone to Jesus earlier and who and who was one of their own number. This is a Pharisee asked, does our law condemn anyone without first hearing him to find out what he is doing? Just a little, oh, by the way, question. Verse 52, they replied, are you from Galilee too?

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Look into it and you will find that a prophet does not come out of Galilee or the prophet.

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We're in three different places. We're back in our boxes. I'm in the southern lair, which I know is just something about every time I get the opportunity to come back here is the Salty air. It puts me in a calm mode. Zach, it's my happy place.

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And, Jase, I will make the point that even though there is the middleman, who is our brother – and his people, Stone and others, they're still made by the Almighty, and you still got to catch them.

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I noticed when I was in there earlier this week with our guest, it was really cold. I don't usually get cold. I run hot.

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Well, I want to read you one text that, because, man, it backs up exactly what you say, because it's not just the Old Testament scripture, but also even what was written after John. Listen to this in Titus 3 to what Jace just said.

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When the kindness and love of God, our Savior, let's say put those together, appeared, he saved us not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.

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He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ, our Savior, so that having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. And so I love in that picture that he paints to Titus is the Godhead all working together.

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But you see in that same water analogy that Zach was talking about from the Old Testament all the way forward is still to today of this pouring out of Jesus to us and now out of us into the lives of other people. I mean, it's a beautiful symmetry when you think about. So, Jace, you know, there's an old saying, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. But I don't think that's true.

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Even though these were public waters. And look, he had such a phobia about it. He wouldn't let his wife order fish at restaurants because he was afraid if somebody saw her ordering fish, they would assume he wasn't catching enough for her to eat at home.

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Well, and we've said it before and read it, but Revelation 22, you know, paints that same exact picture, Zach. And while most people are looking forward to that in the future, we're saying, what if we're already flowing? What if the flow is happening? And even Jesus' picture of the jewels, You know, everybody says, oh, man, isn't this going to be great? We're living in this bejeweled place.

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And the better picture is we are the jewels. And when that light, that pure light of Christ shines through us is what makes us special and what makes us beautiful. So that all starts in real time and goes forward into eternity.

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Yeah. And, you know, just because you're struggling with debt doesn't mean you're a terrible person. I mean, a lot of times there's unforeseen things that happen. In my case, I had low income, but I also had a A baby that was born that was premature, had huge hospital bills, and it just piled up on us and it led us into bankruptcy. And I just wish I had known more during this time in my life.

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And I wish I'd had our good partners with us back then.

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And not only that, I think the reason that they were asking about restoration of kingdom is because they had no idea he was fixing to literally fly away and go back to the right end. of the Father. And when that happened, and then the Holy Spirit was in power, was poured out on them, on those tongues of fire, then they realized then, okay, this is us.

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We're now the next, as Zach was describing, we're now the next layer of foundation. On top of that cornerstone.

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Yeah, and that's the picture we see, and that's the one they laid out. And oh, by the way, he was at the temple when he's talking about these very things in the last day of this feast. So we'll pick it up here a little bit more to mine some more gold in this John 7, which leads us into an amazing picture in John 8 of forgiveness and a willingness to be able to share that with other people.

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It sounds like it's exciting for a 55-year-old too.

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So do you think he didn't eat it because he watched the process or it's just because like a lot of little kids he wasn't sure about?

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Our good friend Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host, has written a new book. It's called When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. And that book, which is free, by the way, is about his travels into restricted nations for about 20 years.

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And he's meeting these courageous Christians who are still out there being persecuted because of their commitment to Christ. And each stop on his journey is going to challenge not only you to be able to reflect on your own walk, but also it helps you really pray and remember these guys that are currently being persecuted today.

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And the Voice of the Martyrs has always done a fantastic job of pointing that out. So request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or visit vom.org slash unashamed. That's vom.org slash unashamed. I like it because that's something you have to teach. I mean, you're not just going to get there. It takes effort. It takes opportunity.

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I mean, it takes a lot to be able to do that. And you're right. I thought about it in relationship to how few a people fish like where we grew up. We were talking about the whole story about our neighbor and people fishing down there. But, you know, we had a boat dock, so we had access for people right there.

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But how many people actually fished either for, you know, commercial fish or just game fish? I mean, you just don't see many boats down there fishing. When I'm out there, I never see anybody fishing.

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It played such a big role in, you know, the biblical narrative because four of the 12 were fishermen. And which is, I mean, could just be accidental, you know, that that's what they happened to do. But I've always thought it was something about that faith-based approach to fishing. I mean, it really is. I remember, Jason, we were very young, us praying.

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For fish, because like that equaled money, which equaled business, you know, making it and bills being paid and banks being paid off. So it was a faith based, you know, opportunity, which is why I think dad chose it. I mean, he was now a man of faith and it was like, man, we're praying about this.

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But I mean, to me, it does seem, you know, at the very least, very coincidental that four of the 12 original disciples were fishermen. before they walked away from their net. So I do think it played a factor.

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Well, and not only that, you know, Dallas Jenkins has kind of picked up on it, but traditionally, I mean, the fish was known as like the symbol for Christianity way before the cross was, which was still like a, you know, I mean, that was just a method of execution.

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That came along later that we recognized the cross as a symbol of Christianity, but in the early days, supposedly, I mean, it doesn't say it in the Bible, but the fish, you know, was the thing. If you drew a fish, that meant you were a believer, you know, so...

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In our case, it was not as much about what you could eat, but what you could sell, you know, which was a big part of that. Yeah. Exactly. So we're in John 7, and we are at a water point, to your point, Zach, where we left off. And we've discussed this a few times as we've kind of jumped ahead to it.

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But when we got there, I think, Jace, you're right, the last time we were in this text, we went back to that Leviticus, and then you took us into Hebrews. showing that idea about sacrifice, right, and about who Jesus is.

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No, look, if you do that, if you come, I'm going to say, I need a volunteer for an audience, and I'm going to pick you. And I'll do, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'll do something.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I guess, Zach, we finally got to give you your due. Florida's in the Final Four, so congratulations. We've been ragging you about basketball and all that, but they've made it to the Final Four. You deserve congratulations.

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Well, it's funny, Jace, you mentioned that because when Lisa and I were heading out of town, we were about to see dad and mom.

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and uh to visit before we headed out and i had a really good visit with dad and the lady that's so there's a lot of people there that work in this you know where he's at and the the lady that's the best one to get him to do the most things according to everybody that works there we were talking with her she came in visit a little bit which i love you know talking to the people that are helping out your family and she said you know i go to white space road and i said really

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And she said, yeah. And so I started asking her questions, but she doesn't go to like our assemblies, but she goes to celebrate recovery. And she just started telling me about her life and what she wanted to do. And, you know, she has a heart for homeless people and, you know, she's got these ideas. And so I connected her with Rucker. But that happened the same week. But I thought the same thing.

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I mean, here's somebody that's helping take care of our dad that has that same passion for wanting to help people. And I told her, I said, well, this man right here. that you're helping us take care of, you know, he's led many, many people to Christ. And so, you know, God has you in our lives for a reason now too.

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It's not just, you know, us in your life, you know, and it's just, as Zach said, if it's not a plan of human origin, it just shows you that greater divine quality of how he's looking out and making things happen on his timetable that just like you said, I mean, you just run into two or three instances, but the one thing just you were willing to,

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to engage, and then God had the opportunities waiting on you. But if you're never willing to engage, you never step into any opportunity.

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Yeah. And we kind of read the last time we were here, and I can't remember if we had guests in between, but we had read the story in John 5, 1 through 18, where Jesus heals this lame man at this pool, at this Bethsaida pool. And of course, the miracle was great. It's the third sign we see here in John. But what got all the attention seemed to be that he did it on the Sabbath, which opens up

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the rest of the discussion, which we'll pick up in verse 19. So that's just kind of a reset.

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Okay. And let me read one thing I didn't get a chance to read when we were setting up to this text before I read this new part. And that is, you know, because N.T. Wright makes a big deal that Jesus said, is now that the signs are coming. And by the way, we only read about three so far that John focuses on, but there are many others.

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You know, there was a time when he said the templates, he did wonders and miracles. So it's not like he only did three things. I mean, he's done a lot.

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I mean, that's fine. I'm kind of conditioned because I watch Dodger games, and they don't start until 9 o'clock at night. So I'm usually a late night.

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Yeah. Yes. And that's his point is he's really emphasizing that the word has become flesh. And then he quoted Jesus' statement to Thomas at the end of John. And I never linked those two together, but I thought it was pretty good. You remember when he told Thomas was, you know, he saw the scars and he put his hand on him. And then Jesus said, because you have seen me.

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you have believed meaning not just saw him resurrected, but seeing everything he's done, but blessed are those who have not seen, uh, and yet have believed. And I think that becomes kind of the whole central point of what John is talking about. It's just not the miracle man, the miracle worker, the one who does the signs. It's that God is in flesh.

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And anybody that believes that in that day and since, he says, now there's some faith, which I think would include us, obviously, 2,000 years later.

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I don't want the excuses. It was a scheduling issue, Jason.

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Yeah, because there is a – there's most definitely in this text, there is a what's happening in that moment, but it's also a picture of what's going to happen.

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Don't you lean on him the most when you really don't have an answer for something? I mean, that's when you need him the most. You know, when you think you've got all the answers is when you say, well, you know, I got this, God. Well, spring has sprung, and one of the things that I'm doing this spring is working on myself. Jace, you reminded me that I needed to probably lose a pound or two.

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You did it in the loving Jace way. Yeah. And so I have, but I tried to do it by myself, and it was an epic failure. I needed a partner. And I found the perfect partner. It's PhD Weight Loss. Dr. Ashley Lucas is the founder of PhD Weight Loss. And she has a PhD in sports nutrition and chronic disease. And so she's been helping people for a very long time.

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And one of the things I love about Dr. Ashley, she does a great job explaining the science behind behind weight and weight loss and exactly what we need to do. The program teaches you what to eat. It teaches you when to eat. It works on your relationship with food. And it shows us how to lose this weight for life.

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If you're watching this on YouTube, this was me at the start of the journey with PhD weight loss. And so this has been 12 weeks now, three months in. And I have lost now over 40 pounds, which is a great blessing to me. The best thing is it wasn't done with gimmicks or pills or injections or side effects. It's very natural and it's worked very well for me. I'm not hungry. which I love.

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One of the things I love about PhD Weight Loss is they provide up to 80% of your weekly food at no extra cost, which I enjoy as well. So it's working for me. Lisa's coming on board. She's sitting right here. She's got an up-close personal view, so she wants to join in as well. Join us on this weight loss journey. Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by calling 864-644-1900.

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Yeah, he says it in verse 14. He says Lazarus is dead because they had said fallen asleep. And he's like, oh, no, he's dead.

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Oh, it's in verse 33. There's the verse. John 11, 34.

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Yep. When Jesus saw her weeping, And the Jews who had come along with her also weeping. He was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. Then he said, where have you laid him?

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And we didn't read about it. He goes out in the desert and faces Satan, mano a mano, after that as well, which was interesting.

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So, Jace, when you and I were young lads in seminary, we were learning about the Bible. You were the first person that I'd ever heard talk about, you know, the power of martyrdom and kind of what that meant to you. And you were sharing that in a lesson you did. I'll never forget it.

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I mean, it just it impacted me so much because I hadn't really thought about the power of that, just even the first century and what we read about in the Bible. Well, you should stop.

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And this witness continues on. The book you're holding there, When Faith is Forbidden, is from our friend Todd Nettleton, who's the Voice of the Martyrs radio host. And he's traveled into these restricted nations for over 20 years. And he's written about these courageous Christians that are still out there for the cause and still putting themselves at peril and in risk. And that's the power of it.

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So this is a wonderful way to reflect on what he has seen and the interviews he's done of these people, but also just to challenge your own life. It's a great opportunity to be inspired by all these remarkable stories. And here's the beauty of it. It's free. So don't miss out on the opportunity to be inspired by these remarkable stories.

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Request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or you can visit vom.org slash unashamed. That's vom.org slash unashamed.

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Yeah, as physicists say, what about that next round? That's the problem.

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That's right. And Zach, you've been quoted a lot. I know those people are saying that now. They love that quote. Did you come up with that or did you read that? I'd love to say that I did, but I didn't.

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Wouldn't you say, Zach, that that's exactly why he created marriage with the first man, the first woman, which is the closest human connection to what you just described, where there's love and there's companionship and there's a spirit and a bond that goes between two people. And not just marriage.

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Really? So you're going to be coming from the Final Four into the studio. Yep.

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Here's the way I'll close with this. Here's what N.T. writes. What God does in the present, he will complete in the future, which I think you see both sides. We'll pick this up next discussion. We're out of time. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.

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And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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Playing the role of Phil today will be Jace with finding a scripture reference to conversation.

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I've had several listeners of the podcast that I talk to fairly regularly that have quoted it since you said it. So it definitely resonated. And it is a good one. And now you can have a scripture to link things to James 4. So keep your expectations low.

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They'd be big crickets. Well, and that's the problem. His expectations were high because he was coming off a 78 because that's the thing about golf. You expect to do better next time. So then they said, when are you going to play next week?

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You're talking about just Bible class? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Chase, what rock have you been under? This has been exciting.

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You know what we call them, Jay? Stairwell studies. Yeah, that's what it was.

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Well, that's why we call them stairwell studies. But it's interesting, Jace, because that's exactly, I mean, you have swerved exactly into the text we're going to be talking about today from John 5 of exactly how people miss it, which was happening, I think, in the first century. Because they miss Jesus.

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But the weirder thing about that time frame versus now is that he was literally standing there. I mean, you know, we miss him 2000 years later because of a lot of different reasons. But they were missing him as he was actually standing in front of them. And in some ways, it was even harder for them to really believe and catch it.

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Really? You've fixed those burgers. And it was not when I partook, which has only been about twice. I had them on vacation. It was Colby Jack. Colby Jack cheese, yeah.

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Well, that's why he got chewed out. So we've come a long way. But family, we're in this section in Colossians 3 talking about how families should operate.

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I'm pretty sure I quoted Colossians 3.20. To read at some point in his early age, which is one of my favorite verses when you have parents and children living in your home.

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Which is children obey your parents in everything.

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Which is where you get the saying, well, why? Why do I have to do? I think your mom did this more than me. He's like, because I said so. Colossians 3.20.

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We have a picture that we took last Thanksgiving. Yep. Last Thanksgiving with the four Silases.

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See, during these holidays, so David Silas is out. About to be two. So he's not two yet. And I haven't, up until this, literally since yesterday, he's been just like Maris, which is his oldest, and she's three. When they see me, they're like, oh, no. There's a bit of terror because Missy goes and visits more than I do, but I go. And they say, hey. But if I start going toward them, it's meh.

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I mean, just immediately. So I think Reed's wife, Brighton, was kind of, she's feeling bad for me. And so y'all had something y'all did, and y'all left us down here, Maris. And I think I told that story on a podcast. When Missy had gone somewhere, she was still keeping her distance, but she had fallen, and I was like, I'm all you got. And she sat there and thought about it.

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She's weighing it out in her mind. And I forgot Missy had left or something for some reason, and she just thought, you know what? If this is where it's got to happen. And she crawled up in my lap. And it was like, well, we're good. Ever since then, we've been good. She gives me bye-bye hugs and kisses. And she's a little chatterbug. She talks. She never stops talking.

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And so David is the exact opposite. He's like a grown man as far as the way he articulates in a little two-year-old body. I mean, he kind of... And then he'll say something, J-Rock. It's real low. So Reed had showed him one of the cooking videos. Yeah. And he was sitting there watching it, and he was, like, going.

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And Reed sent me one of these, what do you call them, where they keep repeating the same, like a meme thing? Yeah, yeah. But it wasn't a meme. He just kept saying, J-Rock. J-Rock. While he's watching TV. Yeah. I thought, well, I may have a chance. So when they arrived a few days ago, it was like, no, he started coming toward me. Nope. And so I started going toward him.

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I was like, well, I thought we might have had something from him watching the film. So, no. So they had this project. They're like, same kind of deal. We went to the, we got something local called the Candy, what was it called?

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And so look. Christmas lights. For a nominal fee, you can drive your vehicle. This one in Calhoun?

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I'd never been there. Oh, it's amazing. And you can drive through. Well, Missy's got this little. bug of a car that i i got her on a on the little duck show and uh let's see some of that actually happened you put the top down put the top down because there's no rules i mean the first sign you see is enter at your own risk There's people hanging out of cars, kids. You know, you're driving one.

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Zach, the next time you want to debate, I'm going to send my son. Check out his vocabulary.

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You know, what's going on? Well, because you turn your lights off, you know. There's kids standing up, hollering, you know. I mean, it's just kind of every car for themselves. So we put the top down. Well, now, I mean, David Salas is right beside me. Well, as we're going through, he was just mesmerized by all the lights.

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But every once in a while, I mean, every 15, 20 seconds, he would lean over my ear and go, J-Rock. He just kept doing it. We'd go a little bit. I was like, oh, look at the tractor because you like tractors. He leaned over. Hey, J-Rock. And we were getting... So tickled. Now, even though we weren't really touching, he was close, and he just kept going, J-Rock. That's his connector. J-Rock.

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Just he knows who you are. So we go through that, and I thought, well, we tried. I mean, it's okay. So we get back home that night, and I think Missy had ordered pizza, and everybody's, you know, we're eating pizza. Everybody's fine. And then all of a sudden, won't. He tripped and fell. David Silas did. And just... I mean, and he had a stranger like cry. He just laid flat down and was just like.

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So, of course, Missy runs over there and she's like trying to get him up, you know, and she's like, you want Lulu? And he was like, no. And we were going through all the people. Mom, dad, he stands up. and says, J-Rock. And it was Chariots of Fire music. He starts coming toward me and I thought, is this really happening? Missy's mouth was this wide open, just like,

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And we just, boom, and I put him on the hip, quit crying.

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Well, I thought it had to do something with the way I look. Well, that goes unsaid.

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I only have three basically views. I'm either homeless. A threat to society or one of the duck people.

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Yeah, I was too. I was afraid of myself. Because, I mean, a lot changes. You look kind of scary.

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Well, what's funny is I don't even know what that means, but.

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stage exactly so before we get in the text i just thought it'd be interesting because i think part of the problem i mean somebody a preacher once said which at first i thought i don't know about that but he said the hardest people to reach for jesus are people who are raised in a church setting yeah and his point was you kind of ride on your parents faith and you know but we all know this is everybody has to come

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to the conclusion on their own that Jesus is the Son of God.

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People just lined up at our table. Yeah. We bought a few of those. You remember later we tried it one other time and there was some, cause somebody said, you gotta eat here. It's fantastic. It's on the beach. And we went, and somehow we were waiting, and we got separated, and I never could get back to y'all.

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I mean, it's just a mob form. I'm not complaining, but I was like, I need to go. I'm with my family, but I couldn't get away.

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Oh, really? Yeah. I remember thinking, I'm just going to have to run off here. And Reed come up there and gave the crowd a speech. And since he was my son, he got away with it. He was basically like, this is my dad. We're on vacation and we have a table. So he's got to go. Sorry. And it just, that party died.

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One of the reasons that I removed to Wisconsin. I mean, I love cheese.

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Well, I've seen a pattern develop here. We go duck hunting, and then it's like the ducks know, oh, it's time for them to leave and go do the podcast because the last time we had to do a podcast, They're in duck season.

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Well, I think, can we just be fully transparent now that it's been in theaters a couple of years or whatever it's been? You said, well, I really want you to help me promote this. And I said, well, I'm going to have to see it first. That was how it went down.

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Well, I just thought, okay. Because it's like, oh, it's a movie about your dad and your family. Will you help us promote it? I'm like, well, after I see it. Because I thought, there's a lot of people that have good ideas.

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I wasn't going to promote it. I hate to tell you that, but that was what was coming next. But I watched it, and I thought, sure. Y'all did a good job with it. But when I watched it, I thought to myself, my dad is not going to like this. even though it's well done. And because I thought he's going to want to try to use this to get Jesus out there.

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And even though it kind of has a few points about, you know, it's kind of a backdrop of his life. It doesn't get into detail about why, like what was the actual message that he heard in detail. And so that's why I told Zach, I said, I think at the end, you should have him just, just let him talk. So what was it exactly that you heard that made you say, yeah, to that scene where he baptized him.

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And so Phil basically shared that.

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Well, there is, but I just know.

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I knew he would want that. You're exactly right. Well, when he watched it, he came to me, and I didn't pull an Uncle Si and said, yeah, I told him to do that. Yeah. He just said, now, when they put that last part in there, that – Was the key. And then I just thought to myself, yep, that's what I thought.

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I've been in show business enough to know when they say, that's it. It's a wrap. No, it's not a wrap.

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I was going to ask, so when you started off talking about, you know, kind of riding on the coattails of your parents' faith, which is a normal thing, which is why I think the guy made the statement.

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They were there before dark. So illegal to shoot. They were there when we got there.

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it's hard to find your own your own faith in there you know it was a lot easier for me because i saw my dad just transformed then later found out why then as i was researching why i was like huh that's a pretty good story here i mean you know i was in my own Bible reading so i was going to just kind of button that up so when do you think because you've grown tremendously i mean i think

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Missy and I and Reed and his wife, Brighton, we had, what, a three-hour Bible study last night? Yeah, maybe more than that. Maybe four. That just happened kind of organically after the kids went to bed, which is why we didn't get any sleep last night. But I thought, you know, if you sit around now with, I mean, you're almost 30 years old, and just have a deep, meaningful conversation,

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Well, what we've been studying and I mean, it was, I thought it was fantastic. So I'm saying, what was that? What were the key points you think of the transition or when did you wait? I mean, was it when you became a husband or was it just because it's all a growth process where at some point, because now I look at you, you're leading your family.

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And it was a lot of them. We said, let's see how many came back. We sat there for three hours. How many came back?

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I think better than I did when my kids were little. Sorry. But, I mean, they did their little Devo, and we've done that many nights that they've been with us, and it's really impressive. Of course, it helps that Reed can sing so well. Because it's more of a singing than we have a little sermon.

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Well, and y'all sang some in there. I mean, Reid wouldn't say this because he's humble, but Reid's a world-class singer. Very good. And he's actually done a few events, which it's nice when you can speak about Jesus and sing about Jesus with equal enthusiasm.

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He's down, but the day's not over yet. So we have one maybe. But we get out, moving the decoys, because after this podcast is over, You're back. Well, because of what happened. Tell them what happened.

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Yeah. They were just floating. I mean, right when we've been sitting here three hours. Looking for death. Seeing one duck. Yeah. Here comes seven teal. So then we started the mud motor. And look up, here's four more coming, teal. Which teal are usually the leading edge because there's a front coming through today. Yep. Y'all may can get them today.

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You know, what's really amazing is when David, I said after the. I picked him up, you know, because he wanted me. And I was like, who do you love? And he went, God. I said, well, that's a better answer. You know what I mean? Yeah.

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Well, I'm just saying we need to factor this in when doing podcasts during duck season.

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Or we got to move the times around. So we're not patterned by the ducks. Just in case they're listening and know when we record. It's kind of weird that the moment we got out there, I mean, the moment.

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Well, there is. They do figure some stuff out. I hate to poo-poo on your parade, but my dad had me and a few other hands because here we have blue line sanctuaries. And even though we're pretty far from the refuge and the sanctuary, he said, here's what we're going to do. We're going to paint our lines of our property red. With blue paint.

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Because if the ducks come down in this area, they will think this is a sanctuary. Y'all are laughing, but we painted the trees. We have a blue line on the entryway of the flyway to our property. And that was the thought. Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it's hard to say because it's kind of subjective. I mean, we did have our better years.

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Reed has surpassed my cooking skills. He's good. Which wasn't something I really bragged about. There's a few things I do well, but that's it. But he went on waiting.

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You should have thrown some white paint right around where you were at. Yeah. I mean, why not? It's not a bad idea.

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No, it wasn't 1230. I know the story in detail, Al. I have relayed it.

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We were shooting a few mallards, and I said, we need to give them till noon. And you said, that'll work because Phil has this meeting at like whatever at 12 so-and-so.

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But what happened was at about 1145, because I was seeing the signs that I thought something magical could happen. And I said- Let's give them until 12. And then Phil said, well, by the time I get the boat, I mean, because I got this thing I got to go to, which I didn't mind because— And he was not happy with me about it, but I was like, Dad, you agreed to do it.

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I didn't mind Phil allowing that time, 15 minutes, to go get the boat because I thought, well, if some ducks come— He knows how to make himself hidden. Right. And we're in timber. Yeah. But when he left, it's like the authority left. And so it was a breakdown because then God was like, well, I need to. He had something.

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I think his project was what he called a nature calling. Yeah. And so he started grabbing his waders. And so he goes down. We had a staircase on this blind. Still do. And so then Martin, he left for some reason. So everybody started leaving.

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So I said, well, I'll start picking up the decoys. Now, that's where I objected. I said, no, let's wait till the motor cranks up. I fired that out there. Nobody listened. So then I look up. These ducks had done this pattern. All day. We would see them, and we had a few mallards.

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We hadn't seen anything in a couple hours, but they'd go down and work what we call the lake, which you could see them. but they would work around, not go in. And then they would come up there on us and we would get them in. So I looked up and here's a hundred, over a hundred mallards. One big bunch. One bunch. This is the stuff duck hunters. Okay.

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So I called to alert everyone. There's ducks in the area. And I hollered out, you got three minutes. Find a tree. Because I knew they were coming. They're going to go down there and work around. And they're going to come, which I thought, no problem. And we had a cameraman documenting this whole story.

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This wasn't a debate. It was a really good discussion until... The phrase processed cheese.

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So we can run the footage back. I'm going to say it's closer to 100. I mean, I'm not going to make up a story if there's visual evidence.

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So those ducks, three minutes. I'm thinking now everybody is there. I'm still in the blind with you. Yeah, there's only a couple men in the blind. I think Jay was in there, and the cameraman's filming this. So those 100 ducks. Start coming towards us. They flank out to the left. I called, and they locked, and no circle. Straight in. Came straight down. Yep.

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And when they got about 40 yards coming straight down, so not broken down back paddling, but just coming. Coming. I saw the lead group.

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start going up so what i did was i just looked up out in the decoys because i thought why are they going up and there's one man standing in the middle of the decoy spread with about 12 decoys behind him and with his big thick glasses on looking right at him so i raised up Now I'm mad. Because they're leaving now. And just shot one time. Yep. And folded a Mallard Drake. Yep.

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He just didn't keep shooting. Put my gun down and said, what are you doing in the middle of the decoy?

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I will confess I said things that I should not have said that Jesus would not have said.

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Yeah, and the worst thing I said is I –

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what really escalated it i said i wish i had a piece of cane right now and so i said why is that i said because i'd whoop everyone it was bad yeah it was the worst like situation we'd ever had duck and it happened all the way back we get back dad calls a meeting in the yard everybody's getting ready to leave i thought he was going to chew like everybody out but he mainly targeted si and al yeah al for lining up the uh me for being the interviewer

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In duck season. And sigh for not finding the tree. And sigh said, well, I was. He said, I am behind the tree where everybody was looking at him. He wasn't anywhere near it.

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So then there's that. But you think, we've hunted 40 years and we've only had one.

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I was mad. I'm not going to. The old man reared his head.

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Well, you got to remember, back then, this is before Duck Dynasty and all that kind of stuff. And so we were making a living by making duck hunting videos. And I just thought to myself, we just had a chance to get 100 mallards in one of the tightest timber holes in the world. And they were coming. Everybody agreed with that. And there was one problem.

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There was a human being in the middle of the duck hole, and he flared them. And it wasn't like we didn't even shoot it. I shot one just to say they were close enough.

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That's what I found so bizarre. He's a quiet. He's very quiet. So I thought, how would he be as a podcast guest? And then he was on for part of the podcast. Then they brought my daughter, my youngest daughter, Alex, who works for Trad Lively, our production overseer that Zach is in charge of. And she does copy. And so she listens to podcasts, which, by the way,

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John Chris has appeared literally out of thin air. Come on. His plane just landed, so he was this surprise guest, Jace, that I didn't tell you about, that I knew would have an opinion on hickeys. And you're actually a return guest.

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Big names like you, I'm not sure. Well, I'll tell you, the studio's been upgraded. Yeah. Well, the first time we came on our podcast, so you drive out in the middle of nowhere. Middle of nowhere. So you thought you were an extra in deliverance, too. I didn't know where I was.

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And then there's like, we're showing him around the lair. There's that deer hanging in the freezer. Dead animals. Yeah, Jace comes in. He's got blood all over him.

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But I will say, like, a tree fell the last day or two, and one of the guys, the redneck, showed up and cut the tree. So there's good and bad. You got to take it all.

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Every time John would say something funny, Dad would be looking up scriptures in his Bible, and John finally said, he's making me nervous. He never said anything.

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You think you have people at your shows like that that are just out there with their vows?

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Before you get to that, I got to start just to tie off that last story. Do you have an opinion on hickeys one way or the other? Because two of our producers in the last six years, one was married, one is not, came into work with hickeys and wouldn't say anything about it. One tried to cover it up with a too small Band-Aid. On your neck? Yeah, on the neck.

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The miserable experience for me is when she comes over to my house to do her work, Zach, I was trying to do a little Bible study. And you're listening to yourself? Well, or worse, I'm listening to the duck call room, but she listens to it at a faster speed than we actually talk.

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Well, I just said nobody can get to that neck for 25 years. You have no expertise on hickeys. He disqualified me.

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Exactly. High-fiving everybody.

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Married? So, Matty, pass that along to your co-worker. That was our assessment. Let's get the wife in here. Let's talk to her. Exactly. All right. So, now I ask you a question. Sorry, I had you.

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I think I'm the one that coined that phrase about you. No, you're right. Because I just did an event. for Willie. Because he'll stay stuff in a sermon or speaking about a lot, but he wasn't trying to be funny.

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So in that case, you're accidentally a preacher. Yeah.

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Well, I don't know what it is, but I'm like. How do you even do that? I can't even. I got so bamboozled I had to get all my stuff and go back to my bedroom to do my work because I could not listen to that.

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He said, you go. Exactly. So I got up. I think the whole thing is a setup.

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So, you know, every time you think about evil and how it unleashes in the world, I think about that text that says they invent ways of doing evil. I think about that when it comes to abortion. Now it's the abortion pill that has come out and become, you know, accessible to so many people.

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About 20%, based on a recent study, of those who have undergone chemical abortions suffer complications, including death. And it makes sense, you know, that young women... or trying to have abortions at their home, and a lot of bad things are happening. So the pill continues to bring harm to mothers and babies.

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They say we talk super slow is what she says, but I'm like, well, we just don't.

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And Jace is laughing because he thinks that Willie looked worse than him because he didn't put it in his coat.

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But now we know why he does it, because he listens to stuff.

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You know, I said the reason he deer hunts... But you wouldn't have used that had you not been filling in for Willie. I wouldn't have used it, but I've used it before. But I have used that story before.

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I mean, obviously, because that's funny. So I have some stuff I open with. So I usually open with something along the lines of, My wife says I'm the best looking Robertson. And if she's with me, she's like, amen, that's right. You know, and everybody kind of chuckles. And then I pop a picture up of my family. And I was like, but, you know, I got to be honest. Look at this picture.

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This is my family. It's not hard to be the best looking Robertson. It takes just this much effort, you know, and then I go in there. I hear that now.

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And therefore the joke works. So it's funny, I mean, because of the picture that you, you know.

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No, and I agree 100%. That's pretty much what Lisa and I do because we do our testimony, but her story is so heavy and impactful that I open up with the jokes about the looks, about the family, and I got some visual stuff I do. And everybody's laughing. And you're right. I watch the walls come down. It does kind of loosen them up a little bit. Yeah, exactly.

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And they talk real fast. They talk real fast. And their hair is slicked back, he said. And you know what that means? That means their hair is slicked back because they're running fast the other way with your money. I grew up hearing that. It says I became a preacher.

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John, have you ever done like a great joke that nobody laughed but you? So when you mentioned Joel Osteen, I remember we met him in a green room. Dad was on right after him on one of these Fox News programs. Yeah. So we're back there, and he's like, Mr. Phil. And he comes over. I mean, he is polished. He is gleaming. His bodyguards have matching suits with Joel Osteen. This is how they look.

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And so he wanted a picture with Dad. And I'm like, sure. So he gives me his phone. So I frame up the picture. Here's Dad and Joel Osteen. I said, you guys look like twins. Which I thought was funny, but nothing. Nothing from dad, nothing from Joel. The bodyguards are like two gargoyle statues, and I thought that was a good line, but nothing.

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So after he took the picture... Osteen's walking away. He said, because then he said, Joe, do you tell him to repent, to come to Jesus? Is that what you're preaching to him? He said, Phil, my message is just like yours. He said, you got to tell him to repent. So he's walking away down the hall with the bodyguards. And he says, hey, Osteen, tell him to repent. You know, he's...

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He's literally yelling at him down the hall.

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Insurance agents and preachers. That's what he said. That's what he put us. And I would always say it later in life as a preacher. And then he was embarrassed that he said it because his son was a preacher. But here's the deal. So they broke the fourth wall down. You say, why would they do that? Well, apparently, I don't know what role Alex played in this thing, but I know Hunter, who is the other

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Oh, I can tell you mine. I still remember it well. And it's an odd place for it to happen. Lisa and I spoke at a women's conference. I was the first man to ever speak at this conference. And I was with my wife, so it was a tag team. But still, I was the first man that ever let in front of these women. And there were 3,000 women, 1,000 at a time. So it was spread out over three events.

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It was on Mackinac Island, Michigan. And I mean, they were so into this conference because I have to admit, it wasn't me. They were into the conference because they came in there. Every joke, every something you said about your wife would have like you were getting reaction and respond. But I'll never forget. Like I thought I could be a comedian. Like after that, I was like, I got it.

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And then I go down here in Ruston, which is my hometown. 30 miles up the road. And I was so excited because I'd never spoken in the town of my birth. And it's a big men's event. There's probably about 400 or 500 men there. And I go into my stuff, and it is just nothing. I mean, the stuff that I always get laughs on the road, nothing. And so I thought, well, Jesus was right.

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The prophet is without honor in his own town. Can't do miracles in his own country. I mean, I could not get a laugh.

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Which I'm curious that with you. So, cause I've, you know, Jason, I don't know that I've only seen a handful of comedians in person. Jason and I went over and saw Seinfeld in Shreveport one time. I wonder, how do you like your material? Because the memory, is it just from telling stories and then you just kind of remember it? Because you don't see comedians hardly ever look at notes.

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Yeah, so how do you do that? Because you're talking about what, sometimes an hour show? An hour, hour plus. I mean, that's a lot. How do you sort of keep the flow going in your mind? How do you do that?

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a producer for the other podcast, they did it to give him relationship advice. Oh, really? Yeah. They gave Hunter relationship advice. That was the reason why they brought him on the podcast, so that Cy, Johnny D, and Martin... could give him relationship advice, which I thought right when I heard this.

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Well, that's what I thought, Jase, because when I heard the scenario, I thought, you talk about a disaster waiting to happen for those three to be. I need to have a, thank you for telling me this. I will have an HR policy on this.

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Well, and let me tell you what started, let me tell you why this happened. And this did take me back to a moment. Jase might remember it, he might not, because we're going back years. if I'm not mistaken, six years to our own early humble beginnings of unashamed. So Hunter comes in, so he asks all for work, which I hope I'm not getting him in trouble since we're talking to his boss.

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What a group of Amish people. Sometimes you can't inject yourself like this. It's like Larry the Cable Guy came here one year and And so we went backstage and talked beforehand. He comes out, and he's like, well, I'm glad to be here in Monroe, Louisiana. He said, I bet nobody's ever said that before. Yeah. Well, right off the bat, everybody's like, we love this guy. Oh, it was funny.

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But he asks all for work, apparently, so he could see a girl that he likes. But apparently, Maddie tells me later, because she gave me some more of the 411 this morning, that his parents don't like the girlfriend. Oh, boy. Is he still with her? He's still with her. I don't know if we ought to announce that to the world. I think we can because he's been on the other podcast talking about that.

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And look, he could snap it on. We were walking along. He was talking to Willie. He's like, you know, I've been thinking about me retiring the character. And he's doing all this in Nebraska, Dave Whitney. And then somebody says... there's a cable, get it on. And he goes right into his thing. Switches on and off. Yeah, I mean, it was like a finger snap.

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Does it involve the woods? Yeah.

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Yes, they talked about this. Well, I hadn't even gotten to the funniest part. So the reason why, so he takes his time off, he's away, and he comes back. So he tries to nonchalant his coming back because he didn't ask the people on the podcast about it. He just talked to the higher-ups around here who would let him take a day or two off. So he comes back.

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Yeah. Yeah. Turns out they were right. So, John, when you see the big number go up on the screen, that's Maddie's way of saying it's time to wrap it up. That's what that means. Give us the X. I know you got your YouTube special, Emotional Support. Is that your latest thing that you got out? It just came out on YouTube. Good.

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It's a joke. John, Chris, always a pleasure to have you on the Unashamed. I know you're doing the other podcast today, so we'll all accept. You got the best one first. Yeah, that's what I say. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube.

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Apparently, he has a giant hickey on his neck. Oh, my gosh.

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This is what happens when you have podcasts without a Bible. Exactly. Which is my ultimate point. So he comes back with a hickey, but instead of just owning it and sporting it, because this has happened. Someone has put a hickey, this girlfriend, a hickey on his neck. He tries to cover it up with a bandaid. Hmm. But it's not a big enough band-aid.

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No one's seen Jace's neck in about 20 years, so it's no surprise.

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Missy don't have them either does she oh Reed's got plenty no Missy does not have a tattoo yeah Reed has a lot of tattoos Al you've got one I've got multiples I have two eras of tattoos I have the pre I have the prodigal Al tattoos which are you have Donna is there one that says Donna no it was a D that stood for that or something else that I can't say on air that Lisa calls me from that tattoo.

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But it's, but then I got one with Lisa that's on my wrist here. I don't know if you can see it. Okay. It says forgiven. It says forgiven. And Lisa wanted one when she turned 50. It took me two years to, It took her two years to convince me to get it. I didn't want to do it. I was like, babe, I got something I need to take off. I don't want to put any more on.

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But he has a whole set of skills. Somebody came up with a top ten list of names for sight. It was like ATM, you know, credit card man. It was all these different things about money. Um, so I found out a little bit more about it. So I was going to get y'all's take on it. So apparently what they did on this episode, when we were in here,

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Nail to the cross. I didn't worry about that. Old Testament doesn't apply. No, not to tattoos. And besides, have you seen people lately? This is pretty tame compared to most of our listeners.

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Although some of the early ones, I could probably make that claim. I was definitely violating a lot of scripture.

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Good job, Zach. So here's what happened. I don't know anything about what happened other than that on that podcast about what they told him. I think Maddie said they all encouraged him to dump his girlfriend. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, that's what they said.

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We all had that experience, Jase.

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And Missy's dad, who is a famed evangelist. I mean, We Care Ministries led thousands to Christ. And you were doing that as a young man. So you would have thought. What was the beef, Jase? What do you think the beef was? Where's the beef?

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Welcome back to Unashamed. A few podcasts ago, I mentioned that we had done something we had never done before, in my knowledge, and Maddie didn't correct me, so I'm assuming I was right. That we were simul-recording. I said simul-casting, but we really weren't simul-casting. We were simul-recording our podcast in the duck car room next door. Remember me talking about that?

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Winning people to Christ is one thing, but earning a living, you know, something else.

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Well, best laid plans, right? I mean, Zach, when you went to Harding, you had no idea you'd be doing what you're doing now for the kingdom and for your living and everything else. I mean, you think a lot of things when you're 20.

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deep into Bible study and doing what we do on The Unashamed Podcast, they were breaking down the fourth wall, is what we call it. That's a production term. Production term. That means they brought in their version of Matty, which is a guy named Hunter, to be on the podcast.

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I feel like I told you that. I feel like I said on that podcast. I would say 90% of people meet that way. So back to my earlier discussion, this was a throwback. to the early listeners of Unashamed. And we're fixing to test you. And I know you're out there because I met Jay at the last event. You've been listening since day one.

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Our very first guy we ever had, well, I guess he was second because Cole got us started. But the second guy was a young man named Connor that Dad called No Name. He just didn't take the time to learn his name or whatever. And so Connor was our engineer back then, our producer. Young guy had just gotten married and he came in one day. I don't know if you remember this, Chase.

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We were at the lodge back then filming. And he walks in and he's got a big hickey on his neck. He had been married a few months. He's a newlywed. And, you know, he's doing his stuff. He's laying out copy for us and made some coffee. And I'm watching him. And I thought, was he going to say something about this giant hickey on his neck just because he's sporting it?

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So I thought he said nothing, which in his case, it was actually a professional way to do business, I guess. But I thought, well, he's not even going to make a joke about it because that's kind of what we do. So he sits down, he counts us down. We started in the podcast. And the first thing I said to you and dad, I was like, Did y'all notice Connor's neck this morning when he came in?

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And then we spent about the next 10 minutes.

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Yeah, it was... I'll never forget it. And Connor was like, Maddie, our current producer, whenever... you embarrass them, they turn a shade of red. She's doing it now. So they turn a shade of red that's like glowing red. And when I looked over at him behind the bank like Maddie is, it was a glowing red. That's strange.

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And then I was like, so Connor, you can't cut that out because you're the editor, but you cannot edit what we just said about you. And I said, wait until you tell your wife. And he said, oh, I texted her while y'all were talking about it.

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I'm just saying, what are the odds that we would have two podcasts stretched out over six years and we've had two producers that came in with giant hickeys on their neck?

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So, Matty, the gauntlet's been laid down. If you come in here with a hickey on your neck, get ready, Jason.

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Well, we have good news about that, Jase. We're fortunate today because we have a guest who we've been waiting on to come here to be on our podcast because he's doing Sadie's in the duck call room. And he's the perfect man for a conversation that we just had.

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I'm not going to tell you who he is until he shows up. But we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to introduce our guest, and we're going to see what he thinks about hickeys. I've heard from a lot of you out there in unashamed nation, a lot of encouraging words. Just want to say thanks. You know, I've been on a weight loss journey since the beginning of 2025 on my birthday.

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And I've been doing really well. And as mom would always say, Jason, when she was introducing somebody, she said, meet my new best friend. You know, she always says that. It could be the person at the hotel, whoever. Well, I have a new best friend. It's Dr. Ashley Lucas. She's the founder of PhD Weight Loss. She's a registered dietitian. She's got a PhD in sports nutrition, chronic disease.

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And she's helped a lot of people now, including me. And thousands of clients have had success, and now we're one of them. What I love about it is the program teaches you what to eat, when to eat, and it works on your relationship with food. And it also shows you how to lose weight for life. If you're watching this on YouTube, this is me at the start of my journey with PhD Weight Loss.

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Yeah, but my thought, Al, is saying, so I've heard in the betting world. So now they don't. The bet will not be canceled because now you're making another stab at it. I am. Now it brings in.

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Then the second verse would have probably got an audible gasp, which is husbands love your wives and do not be harsh with them. And when you combine this with Ephesians, because he does the same thing in Ephesians when we studied that. He said there, now he starts off in 21 of chapter 5 of Ephesians saying, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

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Because really he's going to give a picture of how even though we're equal footing because he just said in colossians 3 11 here there is no greek or jews circumcised uncircumcised slave or free he says in galatians there's no male or female uh slave or freak galatians 327 you remember that it's like you're all under christ now in the in the marriage role

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We have different roles, but there's no, you know, you thinking you're better than a woman, because back then they even would get up every morning, the men, and I read this quote somewhere, and they would thank God that they weren't a slave or a Gentile or a woman. I mean, that was something they would say every morning.

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Well, if you said that today, you know, you better duck.

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That is true. They'll call that doubling down. Doubling down. I am doubling down. Now I could go double or nothing. Yeah, that I get it done.

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Oh, remember in Romans 16 at the end of the letter, he names all these women. They were meeting in the church, you think, Priscilla and Aquila. They're mentioned always together. Here's a husband-wife team.

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Which is why he keeps lumping. all these different things that divide us into one class in Christ, which is Galatians 3.27 that I mentioned. And I want to read it because, I mean, that's what it says. Even though we have different roles, both roles...

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are with jesus in mind because when he said in ephesians 5 he's like husbands love your wives as christ loved the church he expands in colossians he just says love your wives don't be harsh with them but in ephesians 5 he's like as christ loved the church and gave himself up for her right so when you get a picture of jesus as a husband being the head of the wife

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Well, Jesus, he's washing the disciples' feet, remember? Even though there was a betrayer, while they were arguing about who was going to be the greatest, speaking of power and authority, and then he goes to a cross and dies for the church? Are you kidding me? That's what I'm supposed to be doing for my wife as I'm leading her? Exactly.

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Well, there's not a whole lot of room for weaponizing this authority. And look, I think it's something we all learn. I mean, we came from, you know,

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a worldly environment when our parents weren't christians and my dad was a man's man and a lot of the advice he gave me as a teenager i found out to be completely false compared i'm just telling and he knows that way and you know as a speaker of interpreting the past with the future yes the only one i held on to was don't compliment bad cooking yeah that's the only one i held on to

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Well, Phil used to say, you know, there's three qualities that you need to look for. Now, he would say, does she carry a Bible? Yeah. But then it was like, can she cook? You know, which when you tell a kid, a kid is impressionable.

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And so when I started dating my wife, I realized pretty quick. She can't cook. And mine couldn't either. We violated one of the three deity aspects of my dad's advice. And then the third thing he would say is, will she pick your ducks? Well, I thought, my wife, she's only 33%. Of this. What I'm looking for. She does carry a Bible. She carries a Bible. Got a Bible. But she can't cook.

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But she can cook now. And she sure is not going to pick a duck. No. That's not going to happen. I knew. So what I realized is it's like, that wasn't a very good guide. No. To be looking for, because that first one made those other two obsolete. I mean, my wife is a warrior mother for the Lord with our kids, and she's been an awesome selfless wife to me, and she's on fire for the Lord.

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So what I'm saying is I had to work through that because we all bring a certain amount of baggage together. in that but when i started acting like i need to give my life for her on a daily basis like christ gave himself up for the church, I started realizing that leadership was not exactly what I thought it was in Christ.

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I've got a couple quotes I want to read you. I heard a sermon on this Colossians 3 the other day, and these quotes were, he quoted them, and I took a picture of them on the screen. This first one says, this is David Garland, NIV Application Commentary. The verb submit here, and he's got it written out in Greek, hypotasso. So my apologies for mispronouncing that.

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Does not convey some innate authority, but is used for a modest, cooperative demeanor that puts others first. So I thought that was interesting. And this one is from Matthew Henry. I really like this. It says, the woman was made out of Adam's side. You remember when God took a rib from Adam's side? She was not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled on.

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Well, I was fixed to quote Phil myself. However, you chose to go the coffee route, which is deflecting the attention on y'all's weight issues. So I'm going to go.

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by him, but out of his side to be equal with him under his arm to be protected and near his heart to be loved. And now I get it. He just made a quote out of that. And I think it's a random thought that he was a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. I thought, you know, he's right.

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Cause when you read the definitions of, of Ephesians five, which he goes into more detail, I mean, just like, well, love your wife. Like Christ loved the church. And gave himself up for, and then he goes into anybody who, you know, you should care for your wife like you do your own body. I mean, he's making these illustrations that you're realizing this is going to take some selfless moments here.

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It's two selfless people coming together. And so, Al, you've done a lot of counseling, way more than I have, in marriage situations. And it's almost the same story every time. Yeah. Well, we were married. It was awesome at first. And then at some point, and they usually make a statement like, Well, he just wasn't meeting my needs.

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Or the woman or the man says she just, you know, my needs weren't being met.

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Because in these definitions of our roles, even though they're different and God allows for that, because we are, when you think about men and women, generally men want to fix everything. Now, there are exceptions to this, but just generally. And women, and I got this from the same sermon, Darren White is the one that gave it at a

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at church of the city, but he said, women generally want to feel things. Right. And he kind of had a little three point deal of how you navigate that where, you know, we went, when something bad happens, we, uh, I forgot the exact staircase, but we, We want to dismiss it.

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I'm fixed to give it to you. I'm going to quote Phil. Yeah. Do more and eat less. That's a good way. Do more physical things and eat less honey buns and things of that nature. Snowballs and stuff. You say no. So that's what he would say.

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Well, exactly. I remember the positive was they need to be validated. They need to be comforted. And this needs to be repaired because I remember he said VCR. So I remember those three things. But what we want to do is basically ignore it and dismiss it and just say, well, how can we fix it? But they're like, well, wait a minute. And we've had this happen in my marriage hundreds of times.

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Because she'll come in, be upset about something, and I'll just give her a quick fix it. Well, here's what you need to do. But she doesn't want to hear it. She wants to hear, oh, my goodness, how could that have happened? I bet you're so upset about that and have every right to me. So you validate it, you know, and then you comfort. Well, you know what? It's going to be okay. We're in Jesus.

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I figured this out, Al. We're tracking on this. I'm going to help. I know we're deep into the bowels of this. But I figured something out.

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You're taking notes? I got your notebook out. So for 20 years, I'm guessing, for the first 20 years of marriage, every time my wife came in and said, you're not going to believe what's happened, I spiritually threw a hammer at her and said, use this. That'll fix anything. So that didn't work. That made it worse. And so now, you know what I do? And that's the opposite I do when I'm around men.

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I get out my violin. And I start playing a song. And it's beautiful. This is not actually happening. I'm playing that song because when I do that in a duck line, when I get out a violin, it embarrasses other men. Because I'm like, you're on it again. You're on it again. And they're like, oh, quit playing the violin. You're embarrassing me. Give me a hammer. Tell me how to crush it.

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How do I fix this? And so now when she comes in, I get it out. Zach, look. And I start playing. And it's just beautiful harmony going in. I'm like, wow. That's good. Whoa. Incredible.

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But that's, and so we, we eat out all the filler, but yeah, there's no, but our wives are the filler and the completion of our lives. And actually, if you'll, you'll just stop and listen. for a minute, which is very difficult for me to do. It is very difficult for me. You're like, okay, you kind of see it. And once you see it for the first time, you can't unsee it.

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And you're like, okay, she's upset about this and I need to let her get it all out. Assure her that she is completely right for feeling this way because this is just, and you believe this happened. Okay, it happened. And then let's give her some comfort on it and say, you know, say some complimentary things. And then the next thing you know, she's off that. We've moved on.

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Well, what Zach said and what you just reiterated is Philippians 2. We always go there to show how Jesus became a man, and he did it in humility, and I've always linked it to him becoming a man, he didn't do what Adam and Eve did, which was that temptation was, you know, when the evil one told him, said, if you do this, you'll be like God. And here's Jesus becoming a human.

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Well, he was tempted by the same evil one. Sure. And went through the three temptations, you know, that's recorded. But he didn't consider... him being a God on earth as what we all do as humans.

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I think these New Year's resolutions are a good idea, but what I've found is most people don't do a very good job of sticking to it. People say, I'm going to read the whole Bible. They start in Genesis. I've said this many times. I didn't know it was so controversial. Somebody put these books in the order and they mainly went by time, but not all.

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And I think that's what that phrase is talking about when he says, verse six, who being in very nature, God did not consider a quality of God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant. But what's interesting is that is in response to what Paul wrote the Philippians in the first four verses about us.

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He says, if you have any encouragement, this is verse 1 of Philippians 2, from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, these are all relationship qualities that you can only share with some other being or some other person.

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Then make my joy complete by being like mine and having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. We're back on this selflessness again. But in humility, consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interest of others.

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We never think about this section being the foundation for marriage. It is. But it's the foundation for all relationships, friendships, parenting, relationships. The Godhead. I mean, these moments where you're sacrificing and being selfless is how we come together despite our differences and despite our roles.

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I mean, Al, didn't we learn in school that the first book written was actually the book of Job? Yeah, it's the most ancient, they think. Yeah, so I'm saying now, stop your head from spinning. It's like, oh, we got these out of order. I've said many times the Bible's about Jesus, but what I recommend people to do You start in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and then go back.

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That's what I was going to say. Everybody goes here. And like I said, people have weaponized this throughout history. And even the part where it gets to the slaves and masters. And I think, hopefully... depicted that this was a totally different situation than what slavery became and abuse of the scriptures themselves over slavery. taking advantage of races or lower classes of people.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, people have always wanted to have an elite status of human beings over other human beings, and great atrocities have happened because of that. But in this case, they had a system It was like what we view employers and employees. And they went around with the family. And not to say there probably wasn't abuses of that, because I'm sure there was. And there still are.

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and i'm in all through all i mean not only did i save you i want to work through you i want your spirit my spirit to be in you and so we know what the fruit of the spirit is it's the same kind of qualities we're talking about love joy peace patience so even in your leadership that's what people should see well when they see a husband and wife come together

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And they both have this, even though their roles are different, they both have this selfless acts of love on a daily basis. That's why when he got to the end of Ephesians 5 and he said, this is a mystery, but I'm talking about, you're married to Christ. But you can see that in the way that two spirit-filled people are functioning, male and female, in a marriage relationship.

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They can become one and this thing can become vibrant. And you really see that with people who are in the Lord And they've been married a long time, and they just feed off each other. It becomes a beautiful spectacle to the planet in this relationship. So I really think once you start reading it in that vein, it comes to life.

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Yeah, exactly. I agree. And that's why when he moved to children, saying, children, obey your parents in everything, for this praises the Lord. Well, if you realize this is about how you use your authority, and you realize in that moment, so in the Ephesian passage, he adds this amendment with Not only do you obey, but you honor your parents. Where's that at?

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Well, that's what I'm saying. If you start Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, I mean, Jesus multiple times quotes, especially where we're at today in Colossians when you talk about the family dynamic. Jesus, he continually went backwards. And quoted what happened in Genesis about how males and females were supposed to conduct themselves.

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Ephesians 6, children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. But then he says, honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment with a promise that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth, which a lot of scholars kind of look at it like, all right, when you're a kid, you obey. when you become older as an adult, you honor.

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It's like that's your phase, which is what we do. I mean, we're doing that with my dad right now. He's down. He's ill. His mind's not working as much. And you say, well, what do you do? Well, we're honoring him because, I mean, boy, did he lay down a legacy for us in the Lord. And I really believe that comes with a blessing. But it also –

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is scary because you realize that you have an opportunity with your kids in your position as fathers or mothers. Well, you can really do them some harm in your decisions. And that's what you mentioned about here comes manipulation and abuse. And I just think it's a dangerous responsibility that we have. And outside of Christ, that would just be...

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really dangerous on how you're influencing your kids.

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And you remember we brought up, we started off this podcast talking about Matthew 19 when Divorce got brought up and he went back to Genesis saying, you know, this is the way, this is the ideal God designed, you know, one woman, one man for life. But right before that chapter is Matthew 18. And you remember what that's all about. And I think we should talk about it next time on the podcast.

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Is that he's like, you want to know who the greatest in the kingdom of heaven is? And he's like, he called a little child. and had him stand among them, and he said, I'll tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children.

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Well, he goes on to give you the reasons why, but when you think of a child and what they are asked to do, which is sacrifice what they want to do and obey and trust, and it's back to that authority thing. They're totally dependent on you, especially the smaller they are, and it gives you a picture of

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of what we are to be created in Christ Jesus to our heavenly father, which is totally dependent on him and trusting. Well, for us as fathers, that's a big responsibility. You better sure make sure what you're doing is godly. Because he goes on to say, if you cause them to stumble, it'd be better for you to be thrown in a sea with a millstone tied around your neck.

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It was the most graphic that Jesus could be.

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And there's a famous quote, I think it's Matthew, what is it, 19, where he says, for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united.

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Well, that's why salvation came to the Jews first. We've said this a lot, but it helps you understand the Bible. The Old Testament was pointing to the coming Messiah, which was Jesus. So here's these Jews who said, you know, they're waiting on this Messiah, but they're thinking physical kingdom. They're thinking, oh, he's going to come and destroy Rome. I mean, maybe he'll do it in our lifetime.

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Bring out the tanks and the weapons and not literally the tanks and weapons, but, you know, swords and chariots and conquer the world. And, you know, he had a different plan because of his selflessness and his sacrifice for our sins and the resurrected body from the tomb. Well, that was way, he was thinking bigger than, than just some kind of physical altercation in the nation of Israel.

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So that's why you mentioned Luke 24, the road to Emmaus, but I love the John 5, which is one I quote a lot, when he's got some Jewish believers in God gathered around him, and he says... Where exactly is that at? Verse 39. Listen to this. This is John 5, 39. So I'm going to show you how this goes backwards. He says, you diligently study or study diligently.

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There's a little letter over that study, so it can be interpreted both ways. You diligently study or study diligently the scriptures. Well, what scriptures is he talking about? He's talking about the Old Testament. The only thing that's around at this point. At this point, there's nothing else there. And he's like, you study them because you think by them you possess eternal life.

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These are the scriptures that testify about me. Yet you refuse to come to me to have life. And I'm saying that because when I first said that, starting Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, people, so I'm told, wrote in saying, what is James talking about? The Old Testament is not about Jesus. It's about like now. Well, what is Jesus's point here?

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He says, those scriptures that you're saying is about eternal life. And he's like, they're about me.

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Here's the idea. In the beginning, God made them male and female. And for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh. Very clear. He then goes physical because as my dad would always say, you look at the parts of a male and a female and you're like, yep. You look at any other combination and you go, nope.

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And you see how other human beings are formed. It's pretty simple. He gives you the ideal. That's why when you get to Colossians 3, and we're doing a whole podcast on this, when you get to verse 18 through chapter 4, verse 1,

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This is probably, through the years, been one of the most weaponized passages of Scripture based on the culture and religious leaders of the time than any other passages in the world.

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I mean... And so really the shock when you look at, you know, get the idea that Jesus changes the culture, whatever culture you're in, he changes it for the better. And he goes back to Genesis 1 and 2 over and over and over again. This was God's design. We're made by God. This is the design of humanity. Here's how other humans populate the earth. And then he gets into these family dynamics.

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But what he said here is, really shocked the Roman world and their culture. And so it does matter because you think about where we're at in Colossians. He spends this first couple chapters talking about who Jesus is, why he's king of kings. And then it gets to those who surrender to him as human beings. They put off the old self, put on the new self.

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And then he's like, well, this is what it looks like in your family, in your home. And so you got to remember, so what was going on in their current culture? We're in Colossians. There was a town called Colossae, and it was under Roman rule. Well, if you look up the history of the Roman organized families, it was basically this entity. The father was the ruler of his wife.

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The $10, I put that in the category of not gambling. I put that in the category of entertainment. Okay.

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Women were considered inferior beings under their culture. Couldn't work. Yeah, couldn't work and had their eyewitness testimony. They're never testifying in a court of law.

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Yeah. For the most part, there were some exceptions. Then the father was the ruler of the children, even to the point if he wanted to issue the death penalty based on whatever, he had the authority to do it. So it really was about power. And then their idea of servants and masters was more an economic way where we have –

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gas and running water and all these things, they would hire people based on, you know, being in debt or some kind of war and you conquer the other nation. Well, you would get a certain amount of servants to do this work. It wasn't like what we think when you see this master slavery.

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So it was, this wasn't, this wasn't based on race and, and like, it was mainly, it's really about authority in, in an economic environment. Cause these people had a chance, they could work their way up and make a living. And, and so it's totally not

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what we think of when we've seen what happens, the atrocities, where people think they're better based on race and slavery and all that, which is abhorrent, you know. So I think once you kind of realize the context of this, so when they're reading this, and back then they would read these letters,

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to the community well his first phrase they're like okay wives submit to your husbands well that that that was a given but he throws in this as is fitting in the lord so there's some selflessness that he's saying that they're all like okay great but then there's it's an attitude as much as anything because obviously they're in a setting where what are you telling these people they

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Well, and I thought, so you started and end the book with an analogy that I love. We love analogies on this podcast, John. So you talked about what it would look like to send your kids to Mars, right? That's right. That's how you open the book. And then you talk about the end. How do we bring them back to earth?

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So talk about that in terms of how foreign the idea is that we would turn over our children to an entity beyond our ability to impact and influence.

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Well, one of the things I love about your work, it's a scholarly work because it's full of data and charts and graphs that show just what John just talked about our dad used to be on our podcast, John, and he, you know, he never he's like, you know, he's almost 80 years old. And so he never understood cell phones. He never understood computers. He's famously, you know, says I've never owned one.

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And so for years, anecdotally. He has said what you say with data and evidence that it just seemed to him like it was a bad idea to send your kids to Mars in this situation as you lay it out. I wanted to ask you, you make a distinction of difference between how it affects boys and girls. Obviously, our audience is a lot of young people, a lot of young men.

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especially, but a lot of young people, a lot of people just starting families. So what did you notice about the difference between the breakdown and how this works between boys and girls in terms of that?

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Zach, you've done quite a bit of work in apologetics in terms of looking at things that kind of point to our belief system. And one of those is the idea of martyrdom, which we talk a lot about sort of our founding fathers in the church and the fact they were martyred and persecuted. But It's not just an ancient thing, correct?

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And what you're describing is a fantastic ministry called the Voice of the Martyrs. And Todd Nettleton, who is the Voice of the Martyrs radio host, has written a new book, and it's called When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians.

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And these are stories that Todd has written in 20 years of travel in these restricted nations, and he has met these courageous Christians and shows exactly how they continue to be martyred for their faith. They go to prison. There's amazing stories. There's one in there about an Iranian man, two different chapters dedicated to him and what he went through for the cause of the kingdom.

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It's the way he put it.

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And it's very, very powerful, very encouraging. And so as you go in each step along his journey, you sort of reflect then on your own walk, which I find very powerful. The copy of the book is free, which you can't beat that when faith is forbidden. So here's what you do to request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden. You call 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059.

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And just so you know, as we're going into it, we're setting you up to hear this podcast. This is Dr. Jonathan Haidt. He is a Jewish professor from New York, and he teaches at NYU School of Business. He could not be any more different than this podcast, than us. And yet we found a synergy with him and his book and his research that was fascinating.

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I was like, I agree with everything this man is saying.

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Interesting thing, Jace, about parenting is, you know, you never really plan on how much you're going to be concerned about not only your kids' well-being, but how they turn out, their future, the grandkids, you know, they're going to bring into your life. It's huge. It's important. It's organized chaos. It is. And we try to bring as much fluidity into that chaos as possible.

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That was impressive. That was a tip of the cap. I thought the same thing, Zach. You were definitely teasing this man to look into, because he's a Jewish man. And you were teasing him to look into the New Testament, some of the things we teach.

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Well, and I love the way you give the simple – sort of two-step process for, because I want to spend our last few minutes together talking about some solutions for people who are really struggling out there with what do I do with all this? Because you talk about one, you know, we can say, well, just don't use the devices, don't use the social media.

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But if you don't have some outlet, then as you then talk about this idea of this safetyism, if they can't go out and experience and have these things and have local community and fix, then they don't have a place to go and flourish. So I like the idea of both sides.

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And I noticed both of you guys being a little bit younger than me, You know, Jace, the tail end of your kids and Zach, kind of the middle back of his, have raised your kids through this generation he's talking about because he kind of zeroes into 2012, this rise of social media and technology. sort of addiction to smartphones.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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But my constant fear, and I know this speaks, I know this speaks powerfully to our audience because I'm worried so much about my grandkids. We're now in 2025, so we're sort of 12 years removed from where he was doing this research. But I mean, I just I pray for him every day. And I'm like, what can I do to walk alongside my kids to help them?

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And it's a little bit of a double whammy here because Jason mentioned this, and he's mentioned it before many times on the podcast, is a lot of times parents themselves become so engrossed in social media that they're distracted by that, and then you don't realize what your kid is doing. You notice it in airports. Exactly.

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Well, what I love about what you're doing, Don, is you're saying as parents, we can start something. That then goes into pressure onto schools to do the right thing, and that's get phones out. I'm hearing more and more politicians say this now out loud. our schools need to be phone-free, which is good to hear. But that's because that's coming pressure from us. It's supposed to be we, the people.

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So when I was reading this book, Jason, what you didn't get that I got was a copy of the book. Yeah. So I don't know if Zach thought you couldn't read or what.

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We left our thin skins at the door. All right. We're out of time. Dr. Jonathan Haidt, thank you so much for coming on. The book is called The Anxious Generation, How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. We see this. We know it. I love what Zach said. We feel it. As a people, and we know something's not right.

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And you've laid out some very practical things, but also a very scholarly approach to see that this is all backed up your worldwide view of it. And it's very, very powerful. And so immediately I read it. I started sending quotes to my kids. My kids are in their late 30s and now they are having teenagers. And I'm like, let's start implementing this today. Start telling your friends.

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So I think it's a movement that Unashamed Nation can be a part of. I know you guys are struggling with this because we get your emails all the time. So this is something we can get behind. Thank you for writing the book and for coming on to tell us about it.

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Yeah, because, you know, he said that.

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I agree. Thank you, John. Appreciate you coming on. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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Which would be all of our listeners that hadn't read his book. Yeah, I had no idea who he was. But I immediately started highlighting and taking pictures of this book. I was in and out of airports when I started reading this book and sending it to my kids. Because I was like, we must implement this now because my grandkids are the age that he's talking about.

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It was literally the last thing he told us yesterday.

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It's an epidemic. And that's what I love about what you're about to hear is because it was a scholarly work done by a college professor and a lot of research and data, and yet it's so practical and helpful. And that's what I took out of it for me that I share with my kids. So we're going to take a break. On the other side of that break, this is a super, super good and important podcast.

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We're excited for you to get to hear it. So we'll see you on the other side of the break. So, Jace, we talk a lot on the podcast about what really matters in life. We talk about faith. We talk about family. We talk about all the things that motivate us. One of the things we don't mention a lot, but it's important, is to get good sleep and to be comfortable in your castle.

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We are super excited about, and, uh, we put Zach in charge of finding us fantastic guests. Uh, and he has done it yet again. Uh, Dr. Jonathan Haidt, Dr. Haidt, welcome to the unashamed podcast.

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This is something we've been talking about on this podcast since we started. For years.

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Okay, John. He is a professor at NYU School of Business. He's written some books. One is called The Righteous Mind, The Coddling of the American Mind. And the one I'm holding in my hand, for those of you watching today instead of listening, says The Anxious Generation, how the great rewiring of childhood is causing an epidemic of mental illness. And I have to tell you, John, when I got the book,

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I started it on an airplane. I could not put it down. And it's really amazing because all of us, like I'm 60, Jace is 55.

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Yeah, and Zach is nearing 50, I think. And so they have children of this generation kind of on the back end. Mine are more grandchildren in terms of what I see you talking about in this book. But it's so... uh, apropos for everything we talk about in terms of social media and everything like that. So it's, it's very well done.

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I just wanted to, first of all, just tell you, thank you for writing it. It's amazing.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. And I just want to wish everybody a Merry Christmas out there. We know we're right here in the middle of the Christmas season. It's always a special time for our family. And it's interesting because, Zach, when you did the movie, I was so glad that

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You talked about the worship, Zach, with the new song with Layla Max, which, by the way, I'll just go ahead and say it. Because I'm not their parent. They're fantastic.

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And Jace's family is talented, too. So we are very blessed with both of y'all's wing of youth in terms of their musical ability and what they're able to do.

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Yeah, this was one of those you had to be there because the song didn't make the final cut of the award show.

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Because the doxology has been around a long time, right? Yeah. That's amazing.

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Above ye heavenly hosts.

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It just goes on. Because you're talking about the greatest Christian artist in the world were all on the first three rows of the Grand Ole Opry that night. So we were sitting next to them. So you're talking about sounding good.

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We almost started a little bit in Colossians. Yeah, where are we at? I'd like to get to it. So we left off in Colossians 3, 15 through 17, which I think, Chase, you read for us last time. And we kind of zeroed in on that concept of peace in our last podcast, let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts.

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And so we talked a lot about that and the idea that that's been around since the Old Testament, Prince of Peace, you know, who Christ is. And he says, since as members of one body, you were called to peace. And some of that was that idea of the Gentile and Jew coming together and how that then can bring unity for any two groups of people, race, gender, whatever. But then he says, and be thankful.

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When this is interesting, he mentions gratitude or thankfulness in all three of these verses, which I found interesting. In verse 16, he says, let the word of Christ dwell in you richly. as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, and here is, again, the thought of gratitude, with gratitude in your hearts to God.

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And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, Do it all in the name of our Lord Jesus. And then the third time, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

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But I wanted to talk a little bit today in this text before we move on to the family aspect, which we kind of already set up with both you guys talking about little ones and raising them and how that issue goes, because he's going to bring the family back up in 18 through 21, was this idea of worship and teaching. in terms of how they relate to us as Christians.

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And it feels like to me, when you look at this, he's kind of giving you both sides. It's like a coin when it comes to your Christian faith and your walk. And one is what you feed into your brain, because we talked about the idea of the new mind and what goes in and how that relates to what comes out in terms of your actions. But then he kind of taps into this

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I guess I would call it the emotional side or the side that worships, which is a little bit different and seems to tap into something different in our walk and in the way we relate to other people, kind of our one another. So I want to talk a little bit about that and get your take on it.

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It is. And the fact that he chose to do it in miraculous fashion, the only person ever to be born in the history of the world without two people coming together to procreate. And so that very fact alone made him unique and special above all else. And it was predicted 700 years before it happened, which makes it even more of an amazing story. Yeah. I love the Christmas season.

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Which is why that Paul in Ephesians and here in Colossians, to Jace's point he made earlier, starts with this idea about our relationship with Him before he gets into our one another relationships and marriage or parenting, work related, those type of things, because that's where it has to start.

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Well, and that's why I think he approaches the worship concept with both head and heart, which we look at that as a physical thing. We think brain and heart, but in a physical way, it's just two organs. But in the spiritual side of who we are, we know there's an intellect and an inspirational side to us. But then there's also an emotional side of us that has to be open.

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And so a lot of people do either or. which I think is a mistake. We've talked about this before. When I remember when dad became a Christian, and of course the movie depicted this as well, he was drawn more the idea of the story of who God was. And even though he was in a bad emotional place, it wasn't really an emotional decision for dad. It was more of a decision of he finally got it.

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It was like, okay, I understand it. I understand the big picture. I see that he has something for me. And so he based his decision on that. And I remember, and Jace, you may have been too young to remember, but that first year, now we're a part of a church. Dad's there and he's participating.

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He's glad to be there because, you know, this is a family that like shared the gospel with him, but he really struggled. With the emotional side of it. I remember him telling other people, because we would be around when he was talking to his mentors, he said, you know, I'm struggling with this singing and stuff.

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Well, look, and just to speak to that, Zach, before you go, dad through the years grew to love singing. Like we would have house churches in his living room and it would just be full, man. It would just be like little ones around like Zach was describing earlier and mom's trying to wrangle them. And he would look over at me and say, Al, you know, get us a couple of songs started there.

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And we would sing, you know, we would sing praises and it would always be him, you know, and he kind of had a lot more, but think about how much more emotional Phil got throughout his life.

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you included at the end of it kind of closed with this kind of a Christmas theme and dad kind of standing up for his newfound faith around Christmas, which meant a lot because in Jason, I can both say when we were growing up, You know, dad wasn't in the picture those first few years very often, but the one thing he always did was he made a huge effort around Christmas.

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And it's a Christmas song, right?

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And it means to pluck the strings is what the word literally means. And so what you were describing is interesting. You were talking about the keys. It could have been a guitar. It could have just been in a heart. It could have been whatever.

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But I love the idea there of that is a heart that's full and that really has an understanding of something, which is really kind of the point of the whole thing. And I love the point you made about how that we complement each other.

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which we'll get into the next podcast with husbands and wives, because I didn't mention, I should have mentioned that really one of the things that acclimated dad to the heart part of Christianity and not just the head part was mom. And like her being there through that every step of the way, she's the one that helped open our house and made those opportunities there.

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And, you know, she loved to sing and she loved to. And so she really brought that along into that because you're right. I think our instinct is a lot like his. I get probably more motivated by a podcast, by what we're doing here, by sermon, by lesson. You know, I still tend to think that way, but I've grown to love singing. worship as well, what it does for the heart.

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And I've shed tears before, like we've described. And I love it, Zach, because you mentioned what's different about biblical peace and understanding who God is, is even in situations where other people would be sad, we're joyful. and which we mentioned about your mom's funeral. So a lot more to say about that.

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Next time we come back, there's some biblical examples of worship I want to mention before we get into this next text, but we're out of time. So we'll hit that next time on the show. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes.

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These are targets for the audience, just so you know. They're not actual targets.

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And, uh, we would, we've told the stories before we go to the movies or, you know, he just did more family stuff because I think Christmas meant so much to him. And so then as our families started growing, we all got married and had kids, you know, we would all gather. together at mom and dad's. And of course, then we started having a little bit of success with the business.

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It's been a few years.

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Yeah. Well, the whole route system.

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And so we went from never really doing much on gifts and things like that to then this massive pile of, I mean, Jason, remember some of the, some of mom's gift piles from the, you know, it was more, we were all adults, but It was more for our kids than anything, but it was just kind of a way to, for us to appreciate, I guess what God make up for lost time.

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But that shows you Jason, the context of Christmas, because you and I had a little different thing going on with dad to get him to ourselves. Cause nobody else would come and, on Christmas day. Cause they were all spending Christmas with their families.

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So it was just dad and us. And I think because we missed out a lot on our early stuff, I think we cherish that more. And I love those days, but then all of us now it's worked out the other way around for you because your kids are grown now. Yeah. And so you're able to hunt if you want.

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So this is brush for your blind. I never understood what you had the brush for.

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Well, I know, but you never said, I thought, were you hauling a Christmas tree? You never made clear what the purpose was.

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I got it. I got it now.

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So I'm very happy. At least it wasn't your old friend.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Off camera, before we got started here today, we were trying to ascertain Zach's mood today. Because you and I both noticed he was a bit, what would you call it?

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You know what's confusing, Jase? If you did in the old days when we used to do a lot of small groups, you know, you kind of maybe close out in a prayer circle and you get a couple of those guys in the same circle. And having a conversation, you can't tell who's talking to whom. I mean, it's like every eye is rolling around. Is he talking to me? Is he talking to the guy across?

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While you're finding it, it reminded me, Zach, when Jace was talking about the one, that video that we've mentioned on here before, it's called Who's Your One? It's the exact same concept in the video. It started with your mom. And, of course, I watched it. By the way, you can, Unashamed Nation, you can look it up.

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Just put in Who's Your One on YouTube and it'll pop up because it's out there in computer land, as Dad says. And it was about, it was kind of in a chain of ones. of people that included my dad and then a lot of other people since him. And the idea about what the impact could be just from one, because let's face it, some people are going to be gifted to go way beyond one.

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And so you never know who your one is going to be. And so when I watched it, I would just kind of tear it up because here was your mom and Bill Smith and all these people on the video, people I look up to, some spiritual giants and heroes. And that was their mindset was, was the one. And you never know who that one is going to impact.

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That's the thing who, who might then lead thousands, you know, or more. So. Yeah, it just keeps moving.

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But Jace is right. It's really about opportunity. There's a verse in Ephesians 4 that says, make the most of every, or 5, that says, make the most of every opportunity. And yesterday when Jace was talking about that, yesterday we had a neighbor move in here. you know, next door to us down here in the Southern layer.

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And Lisa had already met her when she was buying the house, but yesterday was move in day. Well, I mean, we're standing right there. We got the, you know, we got the food, we got some cookies and brownies for the kids. And it opened the door for a conversation because I thought if I'm going to live next door to this person, I want to make sure that I introduce Jesus.

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If they don't, if they don't know who Jesus is and you've got to make the most of every opportunity, right? And why not start with your everyday life? I love what Jason said. Even the people you run into and meet, sometimes it's just a word drop, just to mention. If that kid goes back and looks up and reads half the book of Genesis, there's no telling where it's going to lead him.

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Or when he was rebuking somebody, he really did the directional dialogue.

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I mean, he was pretty stern, but he wasn't looking right at you. And so you're wondering, is he talking to me?

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No, that's really good. So I think that's a good segue back to John 6. And, Jase, we've been promising for a couple of podcasts that we're going to go back to Isaiah because that's what Jesus did. He quoted Isaiah. when they started grumbling after he gave them the, I am the bread of heaven. I mean, which is a bold statement.

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I mean, he just, he, when he drops an, I am usually that's when things either get dicey or people get, you know, their hearts are opened up, but they're grumbling. And so he says a verse 43, stop grumbling among yourselves. No one can come to me. Unless the father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up at the last day, which, by the way, he says that four different times in this text.

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Then he says in verse 45, it is written in the prophets. And this is Isaiah that we're talking about. They will all be taught by God. Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. And we were talking about how that's a quote from Isaiah 54.

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And I love the idea kind of at its core, because we tend to think sometimes, and the Jews certainly felt this way in Jesus' day, that there was something special about them. And just like sometimes we think that in the modern day, there's something special about us, but it's really not. It's God's love for us. Zach, you'll love this. C.S. Lewis had a great quote.

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It said, his compulsion, talking about God's, is our liberation.

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The idea that it rests in the love of God for his creation and humanity. And it's beyond one particular group of people or one particular nation or all the things that we've looked at in the past. I mean, there's no doubt Israel carried the seed line of Messiah. So we take note of that. But at the same time, it's available for all of man. He created all of us.

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And when you get to Isaiah 53, that becomes the heart of it. So, Jase, I think you were going to read some out of Isaiah because he has that one little quote, but that entire text, you know, starting with 40, as you mentioned before, but really it zeroes in to 53. It gives you that picture of this suffering Messiah, right? And then he gets into 54.

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Which, by the way, you just laid out the basis for the book of Hosea, which was the idea that in spite of her unfaithfulness, there was still a love that went there. And Isaiah and Gomer, his wife, were a living illustration of what God's love can do for mankind in spite of unfaithfulness, which is an amazing power.

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It's kind of that idea of building again that we see quite frequently.

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Where shall we buy bread for the people to eat?

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Zach, you were at my house and I walked in the living room and you had your cozy earth pajamas and so did I. I was like, look, we're matching. We should have taken a picture.

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Which is why he tells Satan, man does not live on bread alone, but on the very words of God.

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Well, and not only that, Zach, you think about that concept of children, when Jace read that earlier. You know, in their minds, maybe they were just thinking about their patronage, you know, their particular line. But you remember what he told Abraham way back with the first promise to a childless man. He said, your children, your offspring...

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will be like stars in the sky and sand on the seashore. I mean, try to count that.

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Well, the idea, it's all in. Let me read one verse just before you go back. This is Galatians 3.16, the tithe, what I was saying about Abraham. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed, his heritage, his children. The scripture does not say, and to seeds, meaning many people, but and to your seed, meaning one person who is Christ.

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Either butcher or do the World Wrestling Federation. I kept saying that. You can't stand Pure Flix.

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of the sermon what would you say well the theme was it's always been pointing towards this moment i mean you you yeah you killed the one that came to save you yeah there's a guy named jesus and you are waiting on the messiah well guess what he came his name was jesus you put him on a cross i mean that was the that's and he starts in joel too because he says even joel understood this moment and today is the moment where we realize how many people were drawn to that that day

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What I love about it, Zach, is that Jesus highlighted it even before we got into this text with the woman at the well, by even dropping this whole water, living water line on her, because she was one person who was thirsty. And not just thirsty for the water out in the well, obviously more than that.

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Whenever I go, and those of us who have had what I call prodigal moments where we're like the kid in Luke 15, the lost son,

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you know you realize that at the moment where you realize you were hungry and thirsty and i'm not talking about for food or drink but i'm talking about for more than what life has now offered you because you've just blown it you're in a terrible place and someone can take that make the most of that opportunity and speak the word the word of christ into you in that moment i mean it's what you've been looking for i mean there's a police officer

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And I don't know if he's dead or alive now, but, I mean, he spoke the word into me at a time when I was hungry and thirsty on a city street in Kenner, Louisiana, when I was 18 years old. And I've never seen this man again, but you know what? When we cross over, I'm finding this man because he did exactly what Matthew 28 said.

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He saw someone hungry and thirsty, and he had the word to speak into my life.

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And for those of you out there that are saying, well, man, Jace is hard on them about ads. But we have all agreed Jace can't do it. I can't do it. So we tried that once, and that was a complete disaster. So don't think Jace is saying this like he can do better. He can't. We've already tried it.

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I mean, I just think it's fascinating. You know, he quotes, obviously, the prophets in the Old Testament a lot, you know, in his speeches, in his conversations, in his teaching. But you're right. I never thought about it until you just said that.

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The only time you ever see him really interact with the scrolls himself, you remember, I can't remember if it was Matthew or Mark, but one of the Gospels says, He's in the synagogue. And when they're having like the readings, which they would do every time they got together, he was reading Isaiah 53. And it was about him. And can you imagine how surreal that moment was that he's reading this text?

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And remember, they were like, who is he talking about? And he was talking about himself. When he's reading it. But imagine that moment for Jesus because he had been there all along, you know, and now here he is in his time to come, which was right there at the moment. And he's reading about himself in Isaiah 53. It's true.

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I can't believe you accused me of coughing. You cleared your throat so many times. We'll have to ask Matty, who had the most notes on coughs, me or Jason, in the last podcast? Matty, compute that and let me know later. But you sounded in a worse condition. I am in a bad condition, I will say.

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But, Jay, to be honest, that's not a bad way to do it with any version, just because the closer you can get to the original language, the better off you are. Well, that's what, look. It is tedious, but at the same time, it's probably the best way to study the Bible to understand exactly what we're talking about.

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This spring has been killing me, and I went to West Texas, and man, was that a serious... Al, you have a leaky eye.

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I'm very thankful. You just needed a man cave, you know, couple of minutes.

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Oh, it's terrible. I mean, it's... Zach, I'm leaking everywhere. You know, I realize that I am the elder statesman now of this little operation now that Dad's not with us anymore on the podcast. And so, yeah, I'm leaking out of the eyes, out of the nose, other areas I can't talk about. But it's bad. I'm an elder statesman.

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I can't help but remember what dad used to say about the beach. It's a miserable place, Al, because the sun is hot and there's not a shade tree in sight. Jace, I'm sure you agree with dad. So what's your favorite shade tree?

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Oh, okay. I think that little hand slap that I just put on him with Hebrews 3, 4 has caused some consternation among the brothers and family, cousins. But I'll give you a helpful duck hunting tip. When it gets really cold, ducks fly late. So I'm going this afternoon.

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Well, I was expecting, I sent y'all a copy of my 60 second thing that I was a production of one in my home. So I was wanting y'all to weigh in where I went wrong. What should I do better? And it was, Nothing. It was like it wasn't.

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They put off the old self.

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Well, I'm about to remind you that, what was it, an 11-year-old boy sent that in? Oh, that's right. You've got to find that, man. That boy. We're going to send him into a mid-teen crisis here. He sent that, and so we need to find that. We'll rectify that. We'll get somebody in there. So still no take on that? No, I thought it was really good. I mean, it was difficult.

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I didn't realize that in response. Somebody tells you something, and you think, oh, that'd be easy. You say, well, how does a – I mean, my main lane is being a disciple of Jesus. So when someone asks me – Give a 60-second blurb on the inauguration. It's not really in my lane. Yeah.

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I put my phone up. What did she say? She said nothing. She just kind of grinned like I didn't like it. But I put my phone up. And it's hard to do it all yourself. And I was going to build a fire. But the wood I got is a little green. All I had was smoke. And then every time I would push record, either the dogs would start barking. The heat would come on because it's so cold.

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Or my phone would fall off. And it just, it was like. So nobody was there, just you doing it? Mia was in her room listening to all this. And she said, she came down. She came in for some kind of worship conference. And she said, boy, this is exhausting. She said, that was exhausting to listen to. Because I, and then when I started after a while.

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Then that would have been worth making a whole episode. I deleted all takes except the one I went with. And so finally it just, all the stars align. Cause I was doing it off top of my head. I didn't have a script or anything. Yeah. And it had to be 60 seconds. And when I pushed end, by the time I edited me pushing the button and me pushing the button again, it was, 60 seconds. Identical.

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I took that as a sign. Yeah. I mean, do you realize how hard that is to follow?

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Normally, I just do it. I just couldn't put two sentences together that seemed coherent. Or I had an outside distraction.

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So I congratulated the president. I then brought up... you know, when he got shot. And I quoted Romans 13, which when you read Romans 13, I feel like I should read that. Read it. And this is what my buddy said, well, Romans 13's in the book. That was his first line. And I thought, let me go over there and read Romans 13. That's a, you know, if you had 60 seconds to say something.

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But I just found it fascinating when I read this, which I've read this many times, but I guess in the moment of the inauguration, It really spoke to me. I thought, huh, everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities for there is no authority except that which God has established. What a statement. So I paraphrase saying God sets up governments.

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And then I paraphrase the next section, which says, The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted and those who do will bring judgment on themselves. And here was the part I really zeroed in on. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right. but for those who do wrong. I talked about that.

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I was like, we shouldn't fear the government if you're doing what's right. I said, now, if you're doing what's wrong, I might have said evil. Evil or wrong, that's another story. And then I brought up about him getting shot in the ear because he said, I feel like God saved me because he had a purpose for me. And so I brought that up. I mean, that's what he said.

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Well, I'll give you an up-to-date. They still have six. So we got the next wave coming in. I'm going to hunt.

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And so then I talked about as citizens, I gave three or four things that I thought we should do. Love one another, work hard, that kind of thing. But then I said I ended it with, but as followers of Jesus, we should. live and love like Jesus. And then I kind of did a little take on his phrase and I said, I think that's the recipe for making this country great again.

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And then I said, pray for our president.

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Yeah. I thought about addressing that in my mind, but I thought, because most people who don't believe, they're just like, well, he just got lucky. But that's why I said what he said about it. Because I think that's a good thing for followers of Jesus if the president is saying, you know, I think God saved me for a purpose. I'm like, okay, I like that attitude.

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Because I was going to say a couple things, and I thought it was too blunt, so I didn't. Because I thought, you know, people with evil intent, which is what that was, Be careful if you miss. Yeah, exactly. And because I've always said that, you know, you shoot at me, you better not miss. You won't get the comeback. Well, I'm just saying I'm pretty good with a rifle. Gotcha. But I don't know.

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Well, you remember with Jesus himself, when they had him trapped, it's like, should we pay taxes? Which Romans 13 goes on to say, hey, pay your taxes.

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Yeah, because they asked Jesus an unanswerable question, because if he says, don't pay your taxes, well, then they're going to call the authorities. And it says, well, if you pay your taxes, then everybody's like, well, you're validating this oppression here. that we're having to pay taxes to this foreign government that has taken us over.

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And he had that famous line, you know, give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God, which is, it's a pretty deep thought.

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I mean, I think we hate it because based on the regime, you're looking at where the money is going. That's why, you know, if you think about that too much and see a list of where all the money's going, it'll cause you to wake up in the middle of the night and go.

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Well, that's why I went to Hebrews 3, 4, and I said, but God is the builder of everything. I got that from Jesus. On the taxes, I was trying to make some synergy there. There's a word, one of your words.

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That's all I'm doing. You got to remember, though, if you started asking me what's in my house, this is a really touchy subject. If my wife ever listens to this podcast, this will cause me a couple of days of misery. I don't notice. Hey, she's not listening. I don't notice what's in the house unless it's a person. I notice the people and the pets and the fireplace. But stuff, no. No.

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Yeah, and I would be like, when did that get here? She's like, that's been here for 14 years. So that's what causes all the problems because I'm constantly walking by saying, oh, well, this is cool. She's like, that's been on the shelf for seven years. Oh, I'm just now noticing that.

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He's 16 going on 14. I got a feeling that when you said your competency has to, what did you say? Rise to your confidence. He didn't. That went in. I don't even think it went in the air. So you think he was looking for a cricket button on that one. My dad said. Oh, look at that. We brought it back. They found it. They found it. My dad said, let me tell you something, son.

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Your competency needs to reach the level of your confidence.

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Yeah. Well, I think the irony of all this is the most influential man that's ever lived on this planet was homeless and penniless. True. Which has been the two things that we've discussed here. But he owned the universe, and he still does. What does that say? That says you need to do a sermon on that somewhere. You're right. Look, you're not going to hurt my feelings.

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I'm just saying as a member of the kingdom of God, who all my allegiance is to the king of kings, I'm in a world within a world. Think when Jesus famously said that to Pilate. But Romans 13 is in the book.

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Yeah, so I guess that's a weird turn of events. Phil gave away a hunt that I'm now- Dad's not hunting anymore.

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I tried to navigate that, and it was more difficult than I anticipated. Well, and it always is.

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Congratulations to Donald J. Trump and his reelection in becoming the 47th president of these United States. As a believer in God and his holy book, I know that Romans chapter 13 says that God Almighty establishes governments and us as people establishes We have nothing to fear as long as we do what's right. But for those who do wrong, that's a different story.

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When that bullet went through Mr. Trump's ear, he stated that God had saved him because he had a purpose for him. So let's do our part as citizens. Let's do what's right. Let's love one another. Let's have compassion on others. As followers of Jesus, Let's do our part. Let's live and love like Jesus. And I truly believe that's the recipe for making this country great again. God bless you.

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Pray for our president.

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That sounds good. You're saying, do we pray for them? I'm telling you, it's tougher than sometimes they make you. And I do. I really, really do. Sometimes they make you mad, Al.

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Well, I mean, when you think about it, in your own family life and how you handle money, everybody has to go through this. Yeah. We all need a doge. Everybody sits down at some point, and I've said this maybe two or three times. I mean, the first five years of my marriage, I didn't say this because there was – you were just like, hang on. Yeah. It was just survival. We got one vehicle.

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I'm hitchhiking when I need a ride. It was pretty rough. Didn't have any money. Baby, it's going to get better. It's going to get better. And she's like, well, you need to take some risk there. I mean, I'm cutting firewood, which is why I still, every once in a while, I just cut a tree of my neighbor. It was a good love your neighbor. And it took me about a week.

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And they're like, you seem to enjoy this. Because it's like, do you want the wood? I was like, no, I want nothing. I'm going to cut this tree down, saw it up, and I'm going to split it for you. I was like, it's a great stress reliever. But the real reason that I enjoy doing it is because I did that for a living for two years.

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And I realize every time I do it now, I'm so glad I don't have to do this to make a living.

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Well, I've said, look, you go back to our past. I mean, the happiest we were in our family was when our parents came to the Lord and and they had this transition, well, we didn't have any money. It wasn't about money. It wasn't about who was in power in the government. And that's why I'm saying, now, when you get money, it sure makes things a lot nicer.

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And as Phil always said, the menu improves drastically. But still, to my original point, you have to have these moments in your family where you're like, okay, you know, there's more leaving than what's coming in. So we need to make some doge decisions here. Doge will only work when there's more coming in. I think those conversations in your family work if you realize the big picture also matters.

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Because most of the times when you look, if you have money or you come into money, I mean, it's a lot of frivolous spending. Right. It's stuff you don't need. We're talking about things.

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Yeah. See, if my wife said, hey, you want to go to Jekyll Island? I was like, no. Just the name.

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Well, sure you can. It's called counterfeiting. I guess I could. Yeah. Yeah, we print it all the time. I do not. I did share the gospel with a guy one time. I was like, you don't worry. That's what he did. He was a counterfeiter? Counterfeiter. Because when we got into the repentance and the new self, I was like, you need a new line of work.

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Now you're going to get a call from some... Well, no, this was 25 years ago, but I saw his little setup. He showed me his little setup. I mean, he literally was printing money.

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Well, don't think it was elaborate. It was literally... He lived out in the middle of nowhere... And it was, I would say, the equivalent of a moonshine factory. I mean, it was just, I just thought.

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An event. Let's see if we can sell this thing out. I had to do a video. It was real weird yesterday. I did two videos. I had two requests on the same day. One was about the inauguration. Fox News asked me to do a video, which I'm not sure where or if that will be seen. Or by whom. Or by whom. Because I did it on my phone. So I thought, you know, they said 60 seconds.

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He was the same guy that was, he came to, the first time he came, he'd never been to church in his life. And he came, and before the service even started, he got teared up. He was reading back then. We had bulletins, you know, where they printed the little bulletins. Oh, yeah. And he got choked up, and I was like, why are you getting choked up? And he pointed to us. This is crazy.

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They were having some kind of a potluck meal or whatever, and there was a sentence at the bottom that said, all are welcome, and it broke him down. Wow. And I thought, this is what you're upset about, that everyone's invited? And so that's what I'm saying. You get detached from Jesus and his people, and you live in a world where you're so divided and we're so, I'm just going to go do my own thing.

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That just impacted. It broke him to tears. That's pretty special. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was.

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Oh, I thought the same thing.

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No, I was sitting there thinking, please do not put a bill in that plate.

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I was like, I'm going to have to go run and tell the elders, look, I'm pretty sure whatever that guy put in there is not real.

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Zach, after listening to you, I think that if Jesus himself came up to you. He would say, Zach, here's what you do. Go sell everything you have and follow me. You think that's what he would say? Well, the knowledge you have about money, and I'm like, where's that?

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Oh, I know. I think it was a good point because that's why you have all these. When you listed off all the tech CEOs sitting there, you're like, why are they sitting there? I'll tell you why. They want to make some money. Exactly.

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So I think if you do that prison, I always say the same thing. I said, no, look, if y'all need any, cause I did offer my services to be the duck hunting czar, which I never got a response on that, but that's true story. I actually sent that in a text, uh, I thought it'd be good.

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I said, or anything about Jesus and his people. I'm your man, everything else. I'll pray for you. Yeah.

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Well, I just kind of sat there and thought, okay, I'll do it. But then I couldn't. I didn't know what to say.

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I was left speechless. I've never seen that before. So I called my good buddy, who's a lot smarter than me. He's probably my best friend outside of family. And he was like, oh, here's what you need to say. And I thought, hmm, too much fire here. He is a fiery guy. I called my wife, you know, and I said, because she's our second grandson. It's his birthday today. Oh, okay.

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He hit the big number two. I'm calling later, and I'm going to sing a solo of that. So I've turned into quite the video production here.

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I feel like this is the appropriate time to read this in the spirit of my dad. What would Phil say? Dasher, for every house is built by someone. But God is the builder of everything. There you go. That's Hebrews 3, 4.

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Yeah, I'd love to have him on the team. Well, look, here's the thing about, and I'll finish my event. This is turning into a long story. Which, once again, I'm shocked you ran out of something to say. So the little one, he was scared of me. So we go up. We're grandparents again, yeah. And he just, every time he saw me, his face was filled with terror. And this went on.

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So we would literally, like we've been visiting, we'll visit my son and his wife's house like three days at a time. And it's terror from him from the moment he sees me until I leave. Just any time I move toward him. So my son had a great idea. He put up a, I did a recipe for cooking frogs.

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And he played that on TV. And this boy watched it. And somewhere in watching that,

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the terror went away was it the frogs or was it just you on television he was like he kept pointing at the screen saying jay rock jay rock jay you just had to get famous enough to be on television yeah so literally the one thing about being on tv that's been a positive is it it took the terror away your grandkids so now we're buddies and he's wanting to facetime me all the time and

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He never says anything but J-Rock the whole time. J-Rock. While we're talking. I was like, what you doing, buddy? And he's like, J-Rock. So I don't know. That went off the deep end. But so what was I talking about? You were telling them your event. I was doing the two videos. I'm starting to see why it took 40 takes to do this video. Yeah, it took me 40 takes. But I did it.

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So that's out there somewhere. It's a 60-second video. Because I thought, you know. It's your take for Fox News on the inauguration. Yeah. Okay. It was my take. So it's floating around out there. Yep. But then I had to do a little event promo. And so I wanted to give that now. Because by the time this episode is released, you'll have time. So it's February 8th, 6 to 9.

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It's dinner, auction, and a speaker named Jace Robertson. Mm-hmm. Listen to what the title is, Moving Towards Greatness. Moving Towards Greatness.

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With Jace. Couples Night Out. So it's like a date night.

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I just now made that connection.

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It's the week before Valentine's Day. Duh. Okay. With a splash of Halloween. It's in Bowling Green, Kentucky, February 8th. If you want tickets, you can go to ReUpMen. It's interesting. ReUpMen.com. ReUpMen.com. So I'll see you there so we can have a date night. I love it. Bowling Green's a nice area. I've been there. Several times.

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Well, Al, the first time I went, which was in 2017. That was exhausting. It was very exhausting.

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like the rest of my life.

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Yeah, it is. So, yeah, I did something I don't normally do during duck season. I slipped in today. Yeah? Because it was so cold. Well, it was so cold, but I mean, I had a reason for that. I had to be with y'all.

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Well, I was just wanting to see the process. Yeah, me too. And it was interesting. Even today, I saw they had like the Nebraska choir singing. Yeah. Because they moved it indoors because of the weather, they said. But they were like singing to no one, but it was being filmed. It was like empty footage. the hall where it's going to go down. But I was really impressed.

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It was like some song called One Voice or whatever, but I thought, boy, these people can sing. But it just had a kind of a feeling of, okay, who sets this up is what I was thinking. Who lines all this up? Because they have a church service at St. John's. They've done it for 100 years or whatever. So that's kind of when we went.

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So yesterday I go to the store in my pajamas. I come home and Missy's like, why would you go to the store in your pajamas? And I said, I wanted to be comfortable. I was wearing Cozy Earth, which you gave me for Christmas. That's right.

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And then Ducks. Got to be with us. You got to be with us. Ducks. He said, I got to be with y'all. Yeah. Yeah. I just got to.

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That was a good endorsement. That's quite the endorsement.

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Not the guy. Not the guy. You know what's interesting about that question, though, when they ask – When Jesus says, what do you want? My translation says, what are you seeking? If you were to answer that question just on a fundamental kind of philosophical level of what are we all looking for? What are we all seeking? What do we all want?

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The interesting thing about the answer to that question is what we all want, what they wanted truly, and what we want is the same thing. We really do want at our core something. to be with God. I mean, that's what we want. Wholeness. We want connection. We want intimacy, but that can only be had first with our creator.

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So that the answer is that what they really wanted, if they would have known and could articulate, they would have said, we want, we want you to live with us. So it's interesting that when he says, what do you want? They ask where he, where do you live at? And then really the whole point of, of John is gospel is that John 14 passes. God's going to live with in people now. So it's kind of funny.

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They asked that question in response to his question. What do you want? They said, well, where do you live?

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And, It's kind of funny how that plays out because eventually he's going to say, I live in you. I live in you now.

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just an accident or a random thought in there. He is getting to the core of all of it, which is desire. When he says, what are you seeking? Is what my translation says. What do you want? What do you desire? What do you, you know, what are you after?

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And you think, and just automatically what comes to mind, the verse is like, seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things, these other things, they'll all be added unto you. Or, Those who by persistence seek glory and immortality, they'll be eternal life. So there is like this whole, like there's this kind of core to humanity. Like what does it mean to be human?

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I think Jesus in this question is getting, I mean, this is not just a random, I don't think this is a random like, hey, what do you guys want? What are you up to? No, I think he's getting to an existential question here. What are you seeking? What are you really after? Yeah. And they don't even have a clue how to answer that.

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I'm sure someone... 300 people out there just wrecked because they're thinking, what have I done?

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There's like these echoes in Scripture or patterns that just kind of, there's like a small, something small happens, but then there's like a bigger pattern of that same thing. And I think that is happening here with this idea of what do you want? What are you seeking? Because what they do is they end up following Jesus, which is, I would say, what we all really want.

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We may not know we want that, but that's what we want. And when we follow Jesus, if you notice what Jace just said, Mitch pointed this out, When you're in proximity to Jesus, things change. So whatever happened, I mean, these guys, they encounter this rabbi. He goes from rabbi to Messiah. Well, what happened in between? At first, he was the rabbi.

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They said to him, rabbi, which means teacher, where are you staying? But then whenever they went and were calling others, they said, we found the Messiah, which means the Christ. So something happened in that time period, and it was only, they stayed with him like for the day. It was about the 10th hour, verse 39 says.

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Yeah, so they spent some time with him. And I think the lesson to learn there is when you're in proximity to Jesus, things change because you see who he really is. Now, granted, did they fully understand that? Absolutely not, because we know Peter – ends up denying him at the crucifixion three times. So Peter had his issues.

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But on some level, whatever happened here, I tend to think probably what happened, mainly because you look at places like Luke 24, where Jesus would go to the Old Testament scriptures and he would show them from the text why the Christ had to be risen. He's used all this Old Testament stuff. I'd be curious to know what happened in that conversation when they were with him for this day.

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When he went from rabbi to messiah, I guarantee you he pulled out those Old Testament scriptures and started quoting them and made the connection for these guys. Hey, I'm kind of the guy that you've been waiting on.

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He's perfect. He's the most intelligent person in the world. I mean, it's like you're seeing all this – he's the most humble person in the world.

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He never says, I wish I would have said. Whatever he said was the thing you wish you would have said in the moment.

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And also you see when he overturns the tables in the temple, at least in the second time he did. I think he did it twice because it's in John 2.

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It's also in Mark. Mark has an account. It's later on in his ministry, but he kind of says the same thing, but Mark's account kind of narrows it down a little bit more. He says, you've taken my father's house that was meant to be a place for the nations, everybody to come and worship. You turn it into a den of robbers. So we do see Jesus's intention and his anger.

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But I was thinking about, as you said, that word vocation, that's a great thought, Jace, because what we've done in evangelical church, at least how we all grew up, and I think this is a problem with kind of the evangelical movement of the last 50 years, is that we've been so set on, um, The word is soteriology, but it means just like our justification or salvation. Yeah.

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That we don't ask the question, what now? Okay, I get it. You're saved. Great.

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You can't even ask that question. No. No, you're saved by Christ alone. Yeah, we all agree to that. But when you read all the verses. There's a vocation.

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I'm telling you, these are things that actually happen. You've got to be perfect. prepared when you go in, you know what I mean? You need to know what you're writing down.

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yeah and it was all of a sudden it was like wait you want me to go to talk to gentiles i mean like yeah that's that's the place you got to get to it was probably progressive um there's a great christian writer probably the great one of the greatest christian minds in history in terms of just from the standpoint of they contributed a lot to the christian faith was thomas aquinas and he wrote uh

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I would call it a magnus opus. It's one of the core texts and books for Western Christian thought. It's hailed as like, this is one of the greatest works ever. And at the end of it, I find this interesting. He wrote the whole thing and he's at the very end of it. He said that he had a beatific vision, a beautiful vision of Christ that made all of his writings seem like straw.

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And I think there's a lot of like, that's, that's the posture that I think when you're really with Jesus, like when you're with him and you're following him, you, all of our formulas, all of our, and I'm not to say doctrine doesn't matter. Of course it does, man. When you start thinking about who God is, I mean, really, whatever we think we figured out is about that small. It's just rubbish.

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It's rubbish compared to who He is. And I think that's the transformation, and that is, I would say, Jace, is the vocation. The vocation is to be transformed into the image of the Son.

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It's called expository preaching. We preach expository, but we also will take...

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time when we will do like a series like we're going through the book of mark but then we took a break to go into who is god so we had four weeks just on kind of like the doctrine of god who is god who is he and i think it's helpful i think it's both are helpful well james baines have a good point it's called exegetical preaching no exegetical is to oh here we go battle of words

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Yeah. It's a misunderstanding of heaven too. Heaven is, is the best way I've heard it described. Heaven is here. I mean, you can't fully see it because there's a veil, but it's here. It's not like way out there, which I think that's the story that you're seeing. And the point of Jesus is coming is that he's making his home here. And we sing a song, which one of my favorite songs, Christ Alone.

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Well, exegesis versus isegesis. Exegesis is I'm pulling out of the text what the text says. Isogesis is I'm reading into the text what I want it to say.

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And there's a line at the end, till he returns and calls me home. And I was singing it with another church, not our church, another church. And they had changed the lyrics, which I liked. And it said something like, until he returns and makes his home. Because the idea is that Evan's coming here, or it's going to be realized here, and the veil's going to be gone, and it'll be united.

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And it's a much more intimate picture. And I think what it does is it forces us into understanding that the real prize is not a destination out there in the distant future. The real prize is to be in communion with Christ. And that is the vocation. That's why the rich young ruler, when they asked and he said, Hey, what do I have to do?

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What are the good things that I have to do to inherit eternal life and to have eternal life? What do I got to do? The, I think most of us would probably rebuke Jesus in his answer. We might say, well, you don't, because Jesus didn't say you don't do anything. He actually gave him instructions to do something. He said, you got to basically follow the law. And he said, which one?

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I followed the commandments. He said, well, I've kept them all. And then Jesus was like, okay, then sell everything you have and come follow me. That's it. Come follow me. That's the point is that Jesus is the vocation that we have. It's what you see here. Come and see. What are you going to do once you see? Well, you're going to follow him.

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So there's this following of Christ and there's getting in proximity to Christ. And then that's why this all plays into it. Because when you get to John 16, what does Christ say about the Holy Spirit coming? He said he's got to come. Because he said when he comes, he's going to convict the world about righteousness because I go to the Father where you can no longer see me.

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Well, if the point is to follow Christ, and he said, I'm getting out of here. Well, how do we follow Christ if he's not here anymore? Well, that's the Holy Spirit. He lives in us. And it's this whole picture of union with Christ through the Spirit, connecting us to the Father, that is the ultimate point of the entire Gospel of John. I would say it's the main point of the entire Bible.

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I'm ready. Y'all waiting on me. You're backing up. This is a joke.

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Well, that is a threat. But you get the gospel of John, though. Let's just say there's a lot of me.

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Don't give a gift and start crying about it. I'm almost tempted to put up a picture of me and Al in our pajamas when we both walked in the same room with the same exact cozy earth pajama set on. Because I want to put the caption, who wore it better? Al, who would you say wore it better?

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The next thing you know, you're... So I think, you know, putting it in perspective, it's not like he's doing this to try to shame them or motivate them through judgment, you know, because you have this verse in verse six, because of these, the wrath of God is coming. I mean, we're all going to be held accountable for what we did with the life that God has given us.

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But he's more saying, look how much damage that causes in your representation of the body of Christ. Either one of those things. Because most people think sex is a private thing. But it always, when it's immoral sex, it affects people in different ways, the consequences of that. You think of all the scandals that happen. Even in the family.

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I mean, if a guy cheats on his wife, it's going to affect the entire family dynamic. It's going to affect the entire kingdom. You cannot do this. and not be affected and have the consequences not play out.

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Well, everybody's always said I was most like my dad just because of the hunting and the duck call situation. But in actuality, that's about as far personality-wise as we're alike on that. But I do, you know, every year I've been hunting with my dad since I was about eight years old. So it has been a kind of weird nostalgia. Yeah.

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So where I went with this in our prep, because now we're talking about this putting off the old and putting on the new. Well, it led me to Galatians 3 because he does a similar thing in Galatians. And even in the same context, part of the... this hollow philosophy that was going around at Colossae.

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It was kind of contrary to Galatians, which was really just about them trying to have this Jewish nationalistic identity with Jesus. They're like, okay, you got to be circumcised. To show that you're a Jew and believe in Jesus. And boy, he was scathing in that. In Galatians 1.6, he's like, if anybody preaches to you a gospel other than the one of Jesus, let him be eternally.

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Yeah, then he doubles down. I mean, it's like can't be any more.

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bold yeah about that but when he gets to galatians 3 i found it interesting about this idea of putting on and putting all in galatians he actually does it a little differently because and just to kind of set up the context in galatians 3 1 and 2 he said you foolish galatians who has bewitched you before your very eyes jesus christ was clearly portrayed as crucified

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I would like to learn just one thing from you. And now listen to what he says. Did you receive the spirit by observing the law or believing what you heard? Because he's cornering them into this idea that you can somehow keep a law. that you're going to be justified by God, even though it was an old law that was instituted by God.

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He was like, things have changed when you heard the good news of Jesus. It's now by grace you've been saved, and he goes on to say that. And just to read background-wise, 13 and 14, I read the whole book of Galatians last night when I was studying this, but just to kind of pick up the context, in 13 and 14 he says, or I'll start in verse 12 of chapter 3. The law is not based on faith.

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On the contrary, the man who does these things will live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, which is similar language to Colossians 2, where he says through the cross, he nailed the rules and regulations, the law to the cross. And it says, for us, for it is written, cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.

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He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus. So that by faith, here it is again, we might receive the promise of the Holy Spirit. And so then to skip down to verse 23, because I'm trying to get to 27, it says, before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

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So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. And then he says this, which is where I was going with this. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus have, here it is, closed yourself with Christ or put on Christ.

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So in this letter, it's a little different in that you're putting off the old and you're putting on the new. You're a new creation. You have a new life. Here he's like, you're putting on Christ. Jesus, like close.

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28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And then he kind of goes into this... You know, you were a slave. Yeah, now you're a son.

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And kind of the difference in the old law with guardians and trustees in the Old Testament and with, you know, he gets to chapter 4, verse 6 and says, because you are a son, because you are sons, God sent the spirit of his son into our hearts. Well, then when he gets to chapter 5, He literally does the same thing he does in Colossians.

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He gets to verse 22 and he says, the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. Sexual immorality, impurity, debauchery, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, all these things that you're to put off. Fits of rage, selfish ambition. dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you as I did before that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom.

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We aren't hunting quite as much because I'm like, I think through wisdom, I realize when it's 85 degrees and you're in Louisiana, might as well sleep in.

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But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Now look, same language. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified, put to death, the sinful nature, the sinful flesh. With its passions and desires, since we live by the Spirit, let us keep and step with the Spirit.

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And just to conclude this, because he makes the circumcision reference in Colossians 2 tied to baptism, When he gets to chapter 6 and verse 13, it says, Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want to be circumcised that they may boast about their flesh. Because they're like, we have this identity.

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And then verse 14 says, May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. So not only is it an old death, it's an old creation. You're now part of a new world inside a world that's been crucified. It's dead to you.

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I just think it's very incredible how those two letters have the same kind of themes in different ways.

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It's so weird. We're all getting into, how do you explain this practically? And so in my simple mind, To me, here's the first thought I had when I read all that Galatians last night. There was two thoughts I had. One was, when you sleep with someone that's not your wife, fill in the blank. You basically take your clothes off at some point, or that's not going to happen.

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Whatever, it just won't work.

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Well, I said simplistic. But you know, and of all things- The clothes have to come up. Okay, we got it. He could use to illustrate that. He's like, but you put on Jesus.

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You clothed yourself with Jesus.

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Well, and what it takes me back to is I didn't have new clothes until I was a teenager. Because we were so poor. Is that not true?

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There were no new clothes. There were no new creations. But my mom, in her plan here, thought, well, these boys will need to get a date in order to get married. And so all of a sudden, and maybe we were making a little more money by the time I was a teenager. I remember she bought me some penny loafers, which back then they'd put a penny in.

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I was like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever done.

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So I went through that trend for a couple months, and I just felt like a fish out of water. Because my mom was giving me these new clothes, which I didn't understand why. But now I look back and see how her brain was working. It was like, They need to attract attention, but she was trying to give me a wardrobe makeover, and I did not comply.

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Yeah, I just said, you know what? I've just got to be me, but the penny loafer thing, I think I'd rather make fun of people who are wearing penny loafers than actually participate. But I don't know why that popped into my head, but I was just trying to say that, okay, the only motivation that's going to work, because I think as a man,

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even though he linked these as far as consequences and damage in your speech is just as vile and destructive to the church and your family. If you're lying, gossiping, what other things can you do or being hurtful or abusive in your speech? Yeah. The con he has all this lump together. Like, Speech and sex are two major things. Now, he also mentions greed, which is another thing.

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He ties that to idolatry because you're basically, I think, back in their day, they had all these gods everywhere. And they were trying to get blessed financially and all that and playing along with those gods. Some of it was tied to sexual immorality and they had goddesses of sex.

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Which is why it says that, because it's a weird thing to say, which is greed, which is adultery lumped up into the sexual connotation. But if you read the history, you're right. They had it all tied together.

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Well, it's just like that today. Look, today we don't have the – in North America, there's not a whole lot of people bowing down to some physical –

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temple or having sex in front of it but it's the same problems money lying uh sex i mean that that is rampant and no matter what culture you live in how did they know this 2 000 years later yep it's the same problems of impulses and selfishness and giving your life to this but what i find fascinating he's saying this is not rule-based.

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It's not because these people were getting confused because they were saying, okay, well, you just desire is bad. They were attacking the very gifts. They were like, you can never have sex, or even if you do with your wife, you can't enjoy it, which is you think, but somebody come up with that. Look, there's people today saying the same thing.

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There's groups of people saying you can have sex with your wife if you're trying to have a baby. But any other time, that's out. So they tried to attack the desire itself when he's saying – This is what I made you for. Speech is a good thing. It's a gift that he's given us for you to be able to communicate. And sex is a good thing. This is how the world's inhabited.

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You are these children, which he's fixing to get into the dynamic in which he changed the whole Roman structure. in Jesus, which is really his point. That's why there's so much debate over all this. It seems like harsh language when you read, oh, wives submit to your husbands. And they're like, what? But all of what he's saying was turning the Roman culture and their idea of families on its head.

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It was like in love and respect your wife and don't be harsh with them because they kind of had this patriarchal system. where the father can do whatever he wants to do, good, bad, or indifferent. He could even kill his children if he wanted to, which sounds crazy. And so I think that was his motivation, was to say, look, you have Jesus inside of you, just like you did in 1 Corinthians 6.

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When you go into the bedroom with this prostitute, you're bringing Jesus there with you. Well, that's the true way to overcome that temptation, is to realize you're not like, let me check my rule book. I have the spirit of the King of Kings in my body. And so in that moment, that is the way. You love Jesus more than you do that impulse.

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Yeah. It's so crazy hearing you talk about this now because I was told at an early age that I was born on the side of the road in Ruston that they just pulled over, which I didn't realize they were kidding. And they never like revisited that story.

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Exactly. Which has led me to get practical just in our everyday life, which Romans 7 gets into this about this battle within. Yeah. But, you know, my dad gave me the best advice when I was late teenage years. Because he was all of a sudden, you know, his famous speech about, now look, it's the world. It's a mean world. Because he wasn't sure what we were into as you get older in teenage years.

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And most teenagers rebel. But I remember him saying, look, when you're going around with your buddies and they want to get drunk and you're with these frisky women, always remember this, either their influence in you or your influence in them. It was very good advice.

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And that led me to a point I want to make on this about how this works practically is I think based on reading this, putting to death the old, and putting on the new. There's a certain protection and a feeding of the new, which is where he started that verse. Set your mind on things above. Set your hearts on things above. So I think we should be way more concerned about what we allow

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to come into our heart, especially as spirit-filled people. I mean, even in our age of social media, you know, I thought of a little joke the other day, which I'm not on social media anymore, but I get the concept. Look, you can sit there and scroll. They call it scroll, and you can scroll for hours, and they have the design. You're just looking what's going on in the world.

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And some of it may not be sinful. But it's stupid because you're literally, if you wake up every morning and scroll for two hours, you've just fed yourself. And most of it has no meaning or may be funny or it may be just sexually arousing or whatever. Last time I was on social media, you couldn't go anywhere without seeing something pop up somewhere. Click here. So... That's what I'm saying.

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You got to protect that. Even in the movies we watch and stuff like that. I mean, I'm notorious for leaving movies early because I'm like, I don't want this junk in my head. Yeah. And when you think you have this eternal spirit in your being, it's just not worth it. Because most of the time we're like, well, I paid $15 to be in here. But when you look at the- Yeah, if it's not good.

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I got the Holy Spirit. in me you know and it made me list all the things the spirit does and these were just off the top of my head i don't have scripture references and y'all may want to add but when you think i have the holy spirit inside of me the spirit of jesus he's our counselor our guide our comforter our teacher He holds us accountable, which remember he convicts the world of sin.

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I'm like 30 years old, given my history somewhere. And my mom and dad hear me say that I was born on the side of the road as they were traveling through Ruston. And they said, where did you get that from? I said, I got it from you. Phil said, we were kidding. Actually, that's a true story. I literally thought I was born. Speaking of nomads, we pulled over, gave birth. Phil was fishing somewhere.

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He's our helper. He's our sanctifier, which sets us apart from the world. He's our intercessor. He helps us in our prayer. He empowers us with all the different gifts that we have in the church from an individual basis. He's our illuminator. And I thought about as we read, the Bible is the only book that you continue to read And it continues to illuminate. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy.

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And I put our visionary, I got that from Ephesians 3. It's like he can do more than we ask or imagine. And I just thought, that's in us. We should feed that spirit. So that way, when you are in these situations that could be tempting... you're ready for it.

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But if you're just feeding your soul on a constant basis that has nothing to do with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or your purpose on earth, oh, no wonder it's such a big struggle.

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I think that's the key verse.

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You know what's impactful about that is he had just spent two chapters, two and three of 2 Corinthians, talking about what it means to have the Holy Spirit in your body. Correct. And I love that. Look, we went the same route. I wrote this down from some sermon I heard. I apologize. I didn't write who said it.

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But they said the culture's problem is that, and these are like stepping stones as it relates to making decisions, is that we're all just reactive, right? Whatever happens, you're a baby, you're a kid, you grow up, you start going through puberty, and then you just react. Well, what happens when you react? You make bad choices over and over, which leads to insecurity.

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Because of a guilty conscience, it didn't work out like you thought. I mean, so you have sex with somebody and it felt good in the moment, but then all of a sudden there's ramifications of that. So now you're kind of insecure. Like, I'm not sure I should have done that. And that's the way God designed us, which leads you to being unwanted because we all go through it. It's like, now I feel alone.

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I feel like I'm not, you know, what happened here? which leads to hopelessness, which leads to exhaustion. And I put, I just wrote that down. Somebody said that. I wrote it down, a sermon I heard. But I put, being the new self, having the Holy Spirit of God, I put a response to that. So instead of reactive, we view these situations that come up or circumstances as more like temptations.

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They're more like a choice of what would Jesus do, that kind of thinking. So you have your situations, and you want to have an innocence about you, which is the opposite of insecurity, in that you're trusting God and his plan for your life. I mean, these things that Paul is writing through the...

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power of the holy spirit that represents god above these are all good things right you know i think when we read these things a lot of people when it gets later on in the chapter a lot of people just read these things and quickly dismiss it because it's like verse 12 when it says therefore is god's holy people

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dearly love, clothe yourselves, there's that word again, with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience, bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you have. And over all these virtues, put on love. They look at it like, oh, this is a flowery, but those things are hard to do. It's a way bigger challenge to live like that than to think, oh, this is something just for

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you know people who can't do anything it's and i really think people object when they read those sections they're like well i'm i'm a man's man i don't want to be passionate and until you do it and you realize way bigger challenge to do then just to finish my little outline the unwanted uh after the culture, you react, you become insecure, you feel like you're unwanted.

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But I didn't know. I thought, meanwhile, I'm on the side of the road, and you're having this labor and delivery thing. And Phil was like, no, we were embellishing the story for effect. I mean, we only stayed there a short time.

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Well, when you're innocent in a situation, you do what God wants you to do, it starts allowing you to think like, oh, wow, this is what I'm here for. This is something that's appealing and that people are drawn to. And instead of hopeless, we have Christ. We start in our minds thinking Christ is literally living.

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through me i it's like the less of you that you're thinking about and the more where it's like this is just this is what christ is and the last thing instead of exhausted i put you're renewed yeah you're renewed every day to get up and have these challenges these situations because you never know what a given day is going to happen i mean you could be on on some kind of uh

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you know, thing for work and a woman knocks on your hotel room, you know, where are you going? Are you ready for, for how that's going down and how you're going to respond? So if you don't think about this and feed it, I think that's what happens. All of a sudden in the moment you go to your, you default to your old self instead of being renewed day by day.

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Well, and your perspective changed. I brought up the part about it being difficult not to duck hunt with Phil. But, you know, really about a week or 10 days ago, I think Phil was at his lowest physically and mentally. And I'm not going to lie. I told my kids, I said, look, get down here and see your Papaw Phil because I'm thinking it's more like days on the earth.

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And, uh, I really prayed all that day. I just thought, you know, Lord, I do not doubt you a bit. You can heal him. You can renovate him. I said, or you can just take him home. Cause I, you know, who likes to see their dad? So I mean, Phil was really suffering. He couldn't even speak. He was in so much pain and I just didn't look good.

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But you know, when you know it about two days later, we brought him supper and, uh, And here is me, Missy, and our kids. And we ate supper. And he was feeling so much better. And he's actually been improving since then. And I thought, now, could he go duck hunt? No. But even for this moment of him just asking my kids how they were doing, in that little moment, I thought...

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Thank you, Lord, for having this moment. My expectations have changed about what it means to be back. I thought, in this moment, I think it's awesome that the Lord is working in them.

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How's that working for you, by the way? Yeah.

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Well, when y'all get me ready for the, because you can fight on there, right? It's an argument.

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We're just going to, I mean, he'd let your hair down. I mean, yeah.

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I actually have my hair down for the record, but people listening, but go ahead.

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No, I want to make an announcement. What we have become, we have become podcast gypsies. Nomads. We're nomads because this world is not our home. So we're moving around. We're getting kicked out. I'm not sure if we're having a pay rent.

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So it kind of ruins the whole story now, but maybe my dad, he wore shades for about 30 years. So maybe he had his eyes closed when he was in Hawaii.

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People don't believe it, but duck dynasty. My dad was not in on the plan. He, they just, got him and just worked around whatever he was doing.

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They basically told Phil, we'll pay you to go to Hawaii. He said, okay. That's about as far as it went, as far as the plan.

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Well, so he showed up. And you're like, well, how did they film him? They said, Phil won't leave his room. And somebody said... That's what we film. And they're like, what is he doing? And they're like, he's watching the Bourne trilogy over and over again.

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Well, that answers a lot. That's why I didn't go out of the room. Because if you watch that over and over again, you're scared somebody's going to knock you in the head when you walk outside.

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Well, you remember, I think it was in Acts 19, what led us to go to Ephesians when Paul was having opposition. Now I'm thinking of this off the top of my head. And, uh, You know, there was a conversation as he slept. Where was that at? And the Lord told Paul, I have people in this town. Hell yeah. Where was that at?

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Good afternoon, everyone. This is a special edition. Afternoon version.

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You know, we'll have to find it real quick. But I've always thought about that as in, I want to be that person in my hometown that Which, you know, I came to Christ.

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I got some people. I've always felt... I got people. We'll find that verse. I think it's in chapter 19 somewhere. I vote. But let's find the verse and read it. Because I feel like what we're trying to do, even on this podcast, is we represent... Jesus at the right hand of God through his spirit. We, in essence, have become Jesus on the earth.

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Well, it starts in your house, branches out to your workplace, to your community, which is another reason why we're always open to do things in our community. I shared the story about three days at ULM, and this is our community. We want to be Jesus people here, and we want all the listeners to be those people where they're at. So I think that's a pretty good segue to where we were.

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Unless you have anything else that we never found the verse. How can we not find that verse? He fell into a sleep. He was getting persecuted. Did I have people in this town? I got it. I got it. It's 18. He was in Corinth of all places. I remember where it was on the page. So look, one night, this is 18.9. One night, the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision. Acts 18, 9. Do not be afraid.

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Keep on speaking. Do not be silent, for I am with you and no one's going to attack and harm you because I have many people in this city. There you go. Little red letters in Acts 18.

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That's what I was saying.

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That's when this becomes real to you.

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Whether you're at Walmart or you're getting your oil changed, you want to be that person in that moment. So look for those opportunities.

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Okay, so look, we spent two podcasts talking about sex, not because... You took us there, Jeff. Any other reason than we're in Colossians 3, we've heard the glorious story of Jesus and how we participated in that. We died and we were raised. And through that, we became new people. Not just that, we became new creations. But we became a new humanity today.

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as being a part of the body of Christ, the kingdom of God on earth.

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It's part of the situation. But we do appreciate the prayers. I've had many people reach out.

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That's where I was going with this. Look, so the reason we did that was because most of the time in our Christian organizations, and I mean that word in quotations, we tend to think sex is way worse than speech. But he basically... Those are the two biggest things he says must be put to death as new creations, new humanity as a whole and what we're representing.

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It's a safe place on the earth to go. Right. That's what we should be. In our marriage to Christ as the body of Christ, it should reflect in our society that This is the safe place. Right. So he's like, and he doesn't just say work on this. He's like put to death. Right. Think extermination.

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I mean, it's very graphic, put to death. But what I found fascinating is when you think about this, these things... are gifts from God, sex and speech. Think about it. So it's not that he doesn't want you to use those things in a beautiful way. It's all about context. In the marriage relationship between a man and woman, which we talked about, well, it's a beautiful thing. So is speech.

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You're going public with any speech. But when you think about it, the abuse of either one, think about how much damage they can cause. So, I mean, if you have somebody lie or gossip in the church, it causes tremendous damage. All you need is an accusation these days.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. There we go. Bless you, Zach.

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I've watched the video all the time. It's literally they were feet in front of y'all.

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Well, you can hear when you listen to the video, you hear this, this underlying chuckle. Cause everybody's like laughing, but not loud.

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It's funny because that'll probably get cut out, but Zach just sneezed. And my daughter, Alex, has to listen to the podcast so she can write up copy and add copy and stuff for the podcast. And she was like, Dad, I mean, you sounded like Bill Phillips. on the podcast Friday, and I was like, hey, you ain't there yet. It's because I had this terrible cold.

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So many ducks and they need one. And everybody's just like laughing. Like, can you believe that? Just keep piling in power.

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One of the things I thought you said was so true in the video I watched, and you just said it again, was every other doctor looks. I mean, you think about orthopedic, you think about the colon, like you mentioned, you think about internal medicine. I mean, everybody looks to diagnose, and you're right. It seems weird to me. that people wouldn't look.

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And it was interesting because when I was reading about you on the Internet, Doc, there are people that say, oh, he doesn't, you know, you don't need that, and he's a quack and blah, blah, blah. It seemed like it was people from your field. And I just thought, well, what would be wrong with looking?

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Would you say, Dr. Raymond, because we've got a lot of young parents out there listening and a lot of young people, that when it comes to the sort of things you mentioned, especially like video games and things like that, or just being on the devices, should people just limit that? I mean, what do parents need to do? Because I know they're concerned about their kids.

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Doing just what you described. So what's a good preventative advice to parents out there and to people trying to, you know, make sure their kids are healthy and that they're not destroying their brains while they're young?

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You and Dad, and I guess Benny Prince was there, and y'all are rolling around.

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That's right. We call that redneck psychiatry is what we call that here in Louisiana. What would you call that?

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So you assumed that she was on drugs. It turns out she was just addicted.

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But it's just as bad of addiction to Dr. Ava's point, too. So I wanted to talk a little bit about that, about family, because obviously we started out saying you've seen some brain scans. I really, after just talking to you and after now researching, I definitely think I need to get the brain scan. I just turned 60 this week.

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Obviously, in our family, all my cousins, Doc, are looking at me because Zach's one of my cousins because I'm, you know, the second one in our family to reach 60. And we've had mental illness. My grandmother was bipolar. Back in the day, they called it manic depressive. But it was actually lithium.

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And she went through this for 30 plus years of all these terrible episodes and terrible, you know, you talk about trauma to family, awful stuff until finally when she was in her 70s, a local psychiatrist gave her some lithium. And she lived normal the rest of her life until she was 90-something years old.

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And it really made me sad because I thought, man, for 30-plus years, they were doing all these crazy things to her and taking her to the psych wards. And for days, she wouldn't sleep and just awful, awful.

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So it was really bad on our family. Of course, that was in the movie. You said you saw the movie. And we dealt with that. But now... five out of the seven siblings and dads out of the seven, his brothers and sisters, have all either had dementia, including Zach's mom, or Alzheimer's.

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Well, my dad said he was born with dementia, and we just got used to it. So that was his line about my uncle that we're not naming. But in seriousness, one of the speeches I saw you give, You talked about a young boy that had these behavioral problems. And then you found out through what you do that he had a cyst on his brain that was affecting him.

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And then once that cyst was removed, it totally changed his life. And it turns out it was your nephew. And you showed that picture and it was very emotional. It was very touching to me because when I hear a doctor tell me something, I always ask, well, would you do this with your family?

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Like if you're telling me this is what you would do, would you do this with your nephew, with your son, with your wife? And my wife recently with the breast cancer and both of her doctors said what we're talking about doing for her, both of our wives, we did for them. And I was like, all right, then I'm in. Because I know then you're committed to what you're talking about.

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So just talk a little bit about that in terms of, I mean, from our perspective, we're thinking ahead, like, how do we get our brains mapped? What do we need to do to look at to say we don't want to care? If we can do something different, we'll do something different.

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I like it simple. Uh, we're out of time, doc. It's been a very intriguing conversation. I was looking up while you were talking, uh, amen clinics.com. If you want to check in to see if there's one near you, uh, also, uh, Daniel, amen, md.com, uh, tells a lot about your work as well as talks about your book. So thank you for coming on. You have elevated the discussion of the unashamed podcast today.

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Well, the fear would be in a moment like that is you would hit more than one because there was so many.

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So I hear from Bill every so often. We probably call each other every other year. And so he called me like two weeks ago. He says, hey, you know, he just starts right. I hadn't talked to him in a year. Hey, so I'm sitting here and I'm down in my man cave, you know, which is downstairs. And somebody is knocking on my door. He said, you know, they're knocking and knocking.

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I mean, she said, well, maybe when you lose your weight, you won't sound so bad.

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I go up there and open the door and it's the pest man. Bonnie had ordered the pest man. He said, and so he comes in, he looks at me, and he says, he asked me, he said, did you go to Bowley Junior High, which is a junior high here in West Monroe? He says, yeah. And he was like, do you know who I am? And Bill said, no. And he said, I'm Terry Elkins.

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And so he's calling me because Terry Elkins is the infamous fourth guy that got the whipping. With me, Greg, Bill. Yeah. The guy had never. Y'all had pulled.

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We pulled a big drunk. It was during my prodigal years, but I was still here. I was a double secret agent. And so we pulled a big drunk right just down the road from where we're sitting right now because Bill and them had a camp down here. His parents did. Yeah. And so the neighbors called his parents because we tore stuff up and just act like a bunch of idiot teenagers. And so dad hears about it.

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Well, this is kind of when I'm starting now, my lifestyle is catching up with me. And so dad finds out about it. He comes over, gets me, tells them, if you ever want to come back down here to hunt or anything else, you'll come. Whatever he gets right now, you get or leave. Of course, we're telling Terry, who's the pest man now where Bill was in Arkansas, to leave.

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Because we're like, dude, this is the first time you've ever been here. You don't have to come back. I'll never come back. But you know what? Elkis did a good job because he was like, nope, I'm getting whatever y'all get. And so dad lined us up.

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Well, we're like 15, 16, 17-year-old boys, so it's not like we're kids.

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Lined up against the back of my grandpa's huge white Chrysler.

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Because he's Billy Red Shoes to me. I grew up with him, man. He'll never be W-E to me.

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Well, nobody wanted a part of that. I can tell you that. Dad's 78 right now dealing with a lot of illnesses, and I still don't want to mess with him.

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they were grown men it didn't even I mean like it's a story now but it didn't even affect us at the moment to do better that's what's so sad I've told the story before everybody gets to a point where you have to make a hard decision to do the right things you can't and this goes into legalism stuff we're talking about on the podcast you can't force other people ultimately once they're old enough to do the right thing I mean you can try to shape and do the best you can and I've always told dad about that moment he loves it when I tell that story

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I said, he was just trying to get us to listen. He was doing whatever he could.

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So Bill tells Terry just two weeks ago when he came to his house, he said, hey- Allen Robertson has made you famous. He's talked about you all across the U.S., which I have. Because Dad, when he was whipping us, he had commentary for everybody.

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And Terry's commentary, he looked at him, he said, son, I don't know who you are, but you go home and tell your parents you got a whipping from Phil Robertson.

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Zach, you got to get the syllable. The syllabic.

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And Bill's parents are standing there, his mom and his stepdad. And he looks up at them. He says, what do y'all think? This is your son. They were like, get him, Phil. So it was sanctioned by the parents. So it was like, son, this is embarrassing, but you're right here in front of your parents. Let's face it.

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And then he was Bill. Then he was W.E. So he's just kind of.

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All right. Well, we'll have to ask our next guest about this if that's one of the reasons why we turned out the way we did.

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Good. Well, we've got a very special guest. We're super excited. We feel like he's way out of our range, but we're going to try to do what we can to bring him into our redneck land and explain to us the thing. So Zach's going to tell us after the break who our guest is. So when a woman experiences an unplanned pregnancy, she often feels alone and afraid.

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We have a very special guest, Dr. Daniel Amen, who's one of the most influential experts on brain health and mental health. And so I'm starting to wonder, you know, Zach, he knows Dr. Amos, so he's got him to come on here. But do you think this is an intervention?

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He's the founder of BrainMD, Scan My Brain, 17 national public television shows, 12-time best-selling author. So obviously, he knows a lot. I've watched some of your videos, Dr. Amen. I wasn't familiar with your work. Super intrigued and super excited to have you on the Unashamed podcast. Welcome.

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We were hunting a hot hole. They run it on a loop at the tour. So every time I go through there, sometimes I take people through there. It's several videos, but I've seen that about four times. And I had to stop and I laugh every time I see it. It's a famous story.

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Oh, boy. I don't know. It may be a disappointment. Now, you told us before we came on that you had scanned some of our family already. Would one of those maybe was Willie? I'm just throwing that out there. If you can't tell, you can just say it was the ugly brother.

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Well, and we're dealing with, you know, dad has recently been diagnosed with Alzheimer's, which we've talked about publicly. So we're dealing with it in real time. And I couldn't help but think when I was watching your videos, you know, how helpful the information is, just what you've done so far. So just maybe a starting place. I know Zach's got questions.

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Just tell us kind of what you do and kind of what got you into this to begin with.

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yeah in between all the way of counseling jace jace like literally asked maddie if you really want to know all you gotta do is ask me but he said that a version of that phrase probably 10 times yeah he can't go until he gets her to ask the question he said okay what what is it and then he said okay since you asked i'll tell you

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So we, you know, we had, but not everybody I've learned over the years, some people don't have, they have a different dynamic. There's a lot of different dynamics is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? So that we don't know.

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Yeah, we were like the stock market. We would be up and down, and now it's kind of leveled. Our levels are more nowadays. Until, I will say this, we did have a major relapse recently. After your marital intervention, when me and Joe came on the podcast, we had a little relapse after that, after y'all's counsel. I just try to speak truth to power.

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My parents met out at camp, and my mom took you to that camp.

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Well, y'all may want to get out of the counseling business because that didn't work out. We got the biggest fight we've gotten into in a long time.

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I read the comments, and okay, I want to say this about the Unashamed Nation. 90% of you guys are so kind and encouraging, and then there's about 10%, maybe 9% that can... be a little stinging, and then there's about 1% that you guys go for the jugular.

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It's a Helix. It's why I stay there. I want to stay anywhere else.

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It's the Helix. Jill and I took the super simple Helix sleep quiz because we weren't sleeping well, and we were matched with a mattress called the Midnight Luxe mattress. Not too firm, not too soft. It's perfect for us because we're side sleepers. We've had our mattress for a couple of years now, and I'm telling you, It has changed the way that we sleep.

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It's 90% are just amazing. 9% you go, okay, I hear what you're saying. Then 1% is like, whoa, you guys are kind of brutal.

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There's an interesting thing that you just said there that if you indulge me for just a minute, I think it'll make a great point.

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When someone asks where you're from, if you go back to the beginning of the Bible in Genesis 2, so if you read Genesis 1, it's the creation account, but then he kind of starts over in chapter 2 and gives a little bit more detail after he says that God rested on the seventh day. And then in verse 4 of chapter 2, listen to this, what it says, right before he talks about the creation of Adam and Eve.

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These are the generations. of the heavens and the earth when they were created. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created and the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. And then it gets into when man was formed. And so when you were talking about that Ephesians passage of the coming together of heaven and earth, That is the ultimate goal, right?

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That heaven's going to come to earth. But if you think back at the beginning of creation, Adam and Eve really came out of, they were the generations of heaven and earth. So when you read the command in Genesis chapter one, and just listen to this language, you think about generations, heaven and earth coming together, all the nations, every tribe, that whole thought process.

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He says in Genesis 128, be fruitful and multiply. and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the heavens, and over every living thing that moves on the earth. So when you get that picture, it's not that man is out of heaven at the creation. No, he's actually ruling over all these things. It's in conjunction with.

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So then when you skip forward to chapter 9, it says, I mentioned this in a previous podcast. This is after the fall, after the world got so wicked and God saves Noah and aid. He says, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. So same language that you saw at the creation. Then Genesis 12, the calling of Abram. In you, all the families of earth shall be blessed. Skip forward to Genesis 18.

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Just a few chapters later, he says, Skip forward to Genesis 25. And it says two nations are in your womb. Two peoples are in your womb. The older will serve the younger. Chapter 26, I will multiply your offspring as stars in the heaven, and I will give your offspring all these lands.

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And in your offspring, here's the promise, all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because Abram obeyed my voice and kept my charge. Then you skip over to chapter 27. Let the people serve you and the nations bow down before you. Then you skip over to Psalm 22, which is interesting because Psalm 22 is what Jesus quoted when he was on the cross. And what does he say in Psalm 22, verse 27?

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This is the one where it says, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? And at the end of that Psalm, it says, the end of it is verse 27. all the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before you. Then you skip to Isaiah 2, verse 2, and you see that all the nations will flow up the hill, verse 2, to worship the one true God.

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Then you go to Isaiah 49, and And you see that I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation will reach the ends of the earth. Then you skip over to Hosea chapter 2. I'm just going through the Old Testament here. Hosea 2.3, which says, actually 2.23 says, And I will sow for her myself in the land, and I will have mercy on no mercy.

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And I will say to not my people that you are my people. And He shall go to you and say, you are my God. Then you get to the very last prophet, Malachi, and you read in the book of Malachi, right at the end of the Old Testament, verse 11, for from the rising of the sun to its setting, my name will be great among, guess what? The nations. And every place...

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incense will be offered to my name and a pure offering for my name will be great among the nations, says the Lord of hosts. Then you enter the New Testament. You get to Acts chapter two. All the nations are together. They're all speaking in different tongues, but they're all hearing each other. The coming of the kingdom comes in Jesus.

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And then at the end of Revelation 22, what do you see surrounding the throne of God? nations and so i i i just can't i mean when you read it this way and you go back to that ephesians passage like you see that what's happening here is god is calling all the people all the tribes all the tongues all the nations to himself to rule in dominion again where heaven and earth are now united once again.

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That's our future hope and consummation of the kingdom at the second coming of Christ.

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I wouldn't... You're saying what you're reading on social media is the comments are an embellished version of... Yeah, what I mean is you're a real tough guy when you're, you know...

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I think to image Christ, because that's a big question, what does it mean to image Christ? And typically what I think we want to do when we try to explain that is we want to go to Galatians 5, and we want to basically do the works of the Spirit. But I don't think that's the right answer because that fruit of the Spirit, it's the fruit of the Spirit.

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So the fruit actually comes as a byproduct of whatever the tilling of the soil, the planting, all that, like the gardening part, right? So we think about fruit comes out of a garden. So if I want to have sunflowers because I'm going to have a big dove hunt in September, what am I going to do? I'm going to plant sunflower seeds. I'm going to cultivate the ground. I'm going to till it up.

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I'm going to plant a garden. I'm going to work a garden. I never make the fruit grow. I never make the flower bloom. I've never done that. Because you couldn't. Because you couldn't. If I say, go out there and make a strawberry. Like, okay, let me get all the materials. Let me analyze what's in a strawberry. Then I'm going to get these elements and I'm going to put it all. No, you don't do that.

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What you do is you cultivate a garden and then it produces the fruit. And that's the picture of what, well, how do we, that's Edenic language, right? So to image Christ, what does it mean to image Christ? To image Christ is to have dominion over the earth, to subdue it, to take the Garden of Eden and expand it. It's to cultivate a garden.

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And then the fruit comes as a result of the cultivation, not the other way around. That's what it means to image Christ. And instead, what we do is we take our God-delegated dominion and authority, and N.T. Wright talks about this in a very eloquent way, and we hand over that God delegated dominion and authority, which we're supposed to exercise over the world.

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And instead, we hand that over to the idols to have dominion over us. And this seems to be the very nature of what sin is. Sin is to take your God-given dominion and to hand it over to idols and give it to them instead. It's to not image Christ, and instead it's to let the creation have rule over you. Romans 1, it's to worship the creature or the creation rather than God. worshiping the Creator.

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That's the difference.

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That may be true. You get behind the avatar. I get a lot more courageous behind an avatar, too.

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An avatar? Your social media avatar. It's like your online presence. It's a fake.

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It's a representation of you in the virtual world.

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Well, not in and of itself. I'm just saying you have it.

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Well, I say that because there was one, I won't even repeat the comment, but there was one really funny comment about the dynamic between me and Jill that was pretty brutal, but it was kind of funny. I really don't want to repeat it, but it was funny. But I don't read all that stuff.

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Those are wrong. Springtime is here. Some would say summer's here and the living is easy unless you got a lot of yard work like me. Jill's got me outside re-landscaping. Al, how's the landscaping going on down in your neck of the woods?

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Yeah, you can even get like eight foot trees there. It's pretty incredible. Fast Growing Trees, it's the biggest online nursery in the U.S. with thousands of different plants and over two million happy customers. Al, you've received the fruit trees. I think you got a palm tree. I've got some shade privacy trees.

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I was going to say Jill because the last time you got a – well, you did a viral video that went – it went viral where you shaved your beard and cut your hair, and Jill did it, my wife. But she's not in town, so I know she didn't do it. Yeah. But there was that story.

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That's called a backhanded compliment.

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Well, but you got to keep in mind, Jace, not everybody has the same dynamic as, like, me and Jill certainly had that dynamic of a very robust, well, you may still be in denial. No, I'm saying that, I mean, we had, we, our relationship was, how do I say, it was very passionate one way or the other.

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Yep, she's like saying a joke, and this is like tongue-in-cheek. Like, hey, you think it'll look better?

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Yeah, he may not. I don't know what he'll say, but I definitely will ask him. Yes, if he will. I'd like to. I mean, we do have – but to be fair, I mean, we do probably have the largest –

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online bible study in the world if you think about it come on i don't i don't there's i don't believe you i don't know what what uh well maybe these uh i don't know about the bible in a year thing that's pretty big that the the catholics do there's another one the bible recaps pretty big so that's i guess that's those are probably bigger but you said one of the biggest though we are the biggest this is one of the biggest this is one of the biggest bible studies in the world

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which is kind of crazy to think about. I just came up with that. That's pretty good.

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Hey, you ain't going to meet me backing up. I mean, I've been trying to get into John chapter two, which I mean, you're not getting there today. I know. That's what I'm saying. I mean, we are inching our way through.

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Highlighting my age, I grew up the only show in town was the Braves. If you grew up in Florida, Georgia, Alabama –

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I think in this, too, you see. You see it in the demeanor of John the Baptist already. He obviously recognizes he's not the main character in the story. He recognizes that. And even having the disciples stand there and having... He's okay if his disciples go and follow Jesus because he's like, I'm not the main character in this. I think this is...

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It's kind of interesting that you look at his, how he acts and then how sometimes we act in our own ministry. How often do we put ourself as the main character? Like we're trying to hoard our influence and we're like, we are forgetting the whole point. We forget sometimes the whole point of this thing is not us, but it's Jesus. He is the main character.

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He is the central figure in whatever's happening here. And you see that later, even when Paul was talking about, you know, I'm glad I didn't baptize any of you guys. Yeah, I mean, you weren't baptized because of me. I'm not the central character here. Jesus is. You kind of see that happening here in this text here, how John operates.

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Kind of a big deal. I mean, it's a niche market, but we're a big fish in a small pond. I don't believe you.

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That's the phrase. He's running around like a chicken with his head cut off. That's where it came from.

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And here's why it's got to be Jesus, because when you look at what's happening here, you have two things that we're being told are happening. One, that God has become flesh. In the beginning, it was the Word. The Word was with God. The Word was God, and the Word became flesh. And here comes the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world.

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Those seem like two things that are different because the lamb was what they sacrificed during the Passover. But then God's here, the lamb's here. And the point of Jesus is that he is both God and the lamb.

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She happens to live in Asheville, so it's like a weird connection, and her kids go to school at the same school that my kids went to, so it's kind of a small world.

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Well, Jace, just to give you the setup, Jace has been very vocal about chastising me and Al for our weight distribution problem.

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But he did shame us. And so what I did was at the end of last year, I was like, I'm going to go find a sponsor, someone that we can, a program that would work for Al. And then I got connected with you guys. So it's awesome that now we're doing this thing. And Al, you're awesome. You're in it.

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So this is now an intervention. A king cake is like a cake. It's like a circle pastry kind of cake that's filled with, traditionally, cream cheese.

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Once a year for Mardi Gras. They put a baby, like a little, it's kind of weird, but they put a little toy baby inside.

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I haven't found it yet. You ate half the cake. You have a 50% chance of finding the baby.

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Yeah. Hey, it's actually quite dangerous, Al. I mean, there's a danger there. Here's the thing, though, Jace. This is in our first call that we had because I sat in on Al's call. I think there is a point. You mentioned this in our call with visceral fat.

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that it becomes almost like a, I think the way y'all say it, like an organ, like it feeds itself. And so you got to lose, there's like a level you got to get to, or you'll just continue to talk. Because that was like an interesting point.

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Has that translated over in college football? Is it all LSU in college?

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Al, you had wrecked because you were in great shape until your 40s.

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I'm going to a little town that we like to call Portland, Oregon. Ooh, spiritual oasis. Yeah, well, I'm actually going to a conference on the Holy Spirit. And Jace, you'll never believe who is going to be one of the keynote speakers.

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He played at a Christian school, so it was probably hard for him.

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I'm just saying, if you look back at the last two years, Highest trophy winners at the University of Florida. They're both very outspoken Christians. Tim Tebow, and you guys know who the other one is? Danny Warfel. Danny Warfel.

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It's on now. Plus, we're basketball school anyways. Everybody knows that. Well, you are now.

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Don't give a gift and start crying about it. I'm almost tempted to put up a picture of me and Al in our pajamas when we both walked in the same room with the same exact cozy earth pajama set on. Because I want to put the caption, who wore it better? Al, who would you say wore it better?

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Rum Dodger habit. You are going to guess, but you'll never guess right. That's probably what I should have said. Al's wearing Dodger stuff.

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He's polluted the American flag with his Dodgers paraphernalia back there.

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You just ruined one of Jace's. He's had that in his speech box. I could be wrong. He probably used it 15 times. I could be wrong. Well, let me tell you why you're looking that up, who is coming.

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How are you a Dodgers fan? I don't know how that even works.

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There you go. That makes more sense. Thank you. That's a pretty good memory on y'all's part, I have to admit.

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You call that a core memory. That's a core memory, Al. That's a core memory.

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So you jumped out of adrenaline, hit the ceiling fan. You tried again when the nerves had calmed down, and how high did you get? It wasn't possible.

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I mean, it really is. And at this point, I mean, we've gone so far. You just not want to tell us? Well, I mean, it's going to be N.T. Wright, which Jace mentions on the podcast a lot or two. Me too. I'm anxious. Yeah, you do too.

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Yeah, I wanted to, Maddie just sent me, while you were talking, Zach, a few comments. I wanted to read a couple of them. And this is just indicative of what we've been receiving all weekend. It says, I'm praying for Phil and the family. They're my friends. I pray hard and I pray often. We aren't just the unashamed nation.

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We're the unashamed family, which I love that because we talk so much about forever family. This one says unashamed nation sends our love prayers and bear hugs to all the Robertsons and extended family. I'm so grateful for this family, especially Phil. whose life is proof we are all redeemed in Christ.

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Millions of people from all over the globe have been blessed by Phil and this blessed legacy continues now through his family, which is exactly what we've been saying. And this is another one says, this podcast has led me back to the Lord and it's got me into my Bible. Phil and the podcast have helped so many people like myself come back to the Lord. We are praying for Phil and the entire family.

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Phil is a testament to what loving the Lord with all your heart and being unashamed of the gospel looks like. We love you, Phil. So just a few, just a sampling of all the love that's been put out there.

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And I do want to say something about a lot of the headlines that I noticed and saw was, you know, devastating news, devastating. And I get it. No one likes to, you know, hear that something is wrong with you and something you got to deal with in this life. But I just want to give you our perspective, like everything we've been talking about,

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on this podcast the last few years has been about preparing for crossing over and eternity. I mean, like we've lived our lives that way. And so from our perspective, it's not devastating to know that you're not going to be here forever. That's been the setup the whole time. That's why we're living at such an accelerated pace of trying to get the word out to as many people as possible.

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So I just want you to know. And then we've also in our family, because we talked about this, Zach's mom, Jam, who was one of the key factors in dad coming to Christ. I mean, she went through this exact same disease along with some of his other siblings. And so, It's not pretty, it's hard, it's difficult, but I'm saying that that's this life. That's the life we live.

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That's why we look beyond the temporary and we look to what is unseen and eternal. So I just want you to hear that from us and our perspective. You know, nobody likes getting bad news about someone they love, but we, I mean, dad has said he spent his whole Christian life saying the resurrection looms large and Because we're not designed to be here forever. We're going to be in heaven forever.

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So we just want to impact as many people as we can while we're here. And Zach's made the point. We want to try to help heaven impact earth while we're here. But ultimately, we're all going to the hole in the ground.

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I know one thing Moses said in Psalm 90 that 70 years is typical if you have the strength 80. Yeah. You know, that was a wise man that lived a long time ago that laid that out for us. And so that's exactly where dad's at.

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and then uh then we reminds me of johnny howard uh cory's dad always says fantastico fantastico which is not a word either but it just sounds but i did want to say that because when he described i i did think boy hunting

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about his example and how we all have followed that example i always say you know from our perspective when Jesus ascended and left here, from my perspective, I'm like, well, I wish he would have just stayed, you know, because like he would, we would have been in his presence all the time and we wouldn't have to worry about false teaching. Cause he would always be there to correct things.

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And, you know, we've been looking for that situation, even though we've got the Holy spirit living in us, which he said would be better once he left. And he was right. Um, But, you know, from a human perspective, we're like, just don't go. We don't ever want to say, see you later. We don't ever want to say, wait, we want it all right now. But his example was this.

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I have a task for you, just like I had a task when I came here. And the task is you're preparing for eternity by now impacting other people with eternity. And I can't help but think about what Paul told Timothy, because I spent a lot of time you know, these last few weeks pondering that relationship.

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And I mentioned this before, when I was asked to speak at our mentor, Bill Smith's funeral, the one who I mentioned earlier, who led dad to Christ, I was like, man, I'm just, I'm not worthy to even be speaking. And then I hit me. I was like, wait a minute though. I'm Timothy to his Paul. He's trained me and taught me and discipled me for moments just like this.

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And so when I realized that, I realized what an honor it is to live out someone's blessing that they brought into your life. And so in 2 Timothy 4, verse 6, I love how Paul is like closing out his thoughts to Timothy because he knows. I mean, he knows in his spirit that it's coming. He is right there. about to cross over. And we know what happened to him because of history.

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I've never even thought about Jesus hunting.

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They cut his head off because of his faith. And yet he went all the way with it. And he's told Timothy in verse six, I am already being poured out like a drink offering. And the time has come for my departure. So he knew he was right there. I have fought the good fight. I have finished the race. I have kept the faith.

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Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge will award to me on that day. And not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. And so that standard continues on to this very day. And so all of us, when we get to this point where we're ready to cross over, I want to, that's my final speech.

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That's the last words I want to be able to say. to be able to continue to be a blessing. You fight the fight, you keep the faith, you impact other people, and then you know, okay, we've crossed. Now all we're waiting on is the final resurrection.

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And I think that's the hardest part. Zach talked about a certain number of days. When the days are less than – you know, than we think they should be because it's young. It obviously is so much more, you know, hurtful to us to deal with that. But ultimately, we trust God, whether it's young, whether it's middle, whether it's old. But we all want to live a life, whatever that life is.

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We're not guaranteed any time. Anything can happen. Angel's case, it was a car accident. It could be anything. We want to be ready. And really, that's what this podcast is about. You live unashamed to be ready for the moments. And that's the power of what we do. And I do want to say this. We just got a couple of minutes left. And we wanted to spend this podcast talking about.

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the appreciation, the legacy that we live, and a lot of lives. I'm so glad you brought up Angel J. All of us could think about different people that have impacted. The day before our grandpa died, Charlie Murray died in his sleep at 32 years old. And this was another young man that had such a huge blessing. And so all these people impacted us.

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But I wanted to let you know that we are relaying these messages that you're sending to mom and dad, and they are so appreciative. of the outpouring of love for them, their legacy, everything that they mean to all of you guys. So just know that, uh, we share those with them there.

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As we all know, dad's famously not connected to tech, but he does love to hear that, uh, out there in computer land, as he puts it, there are people that are expressing their love and their appreciation, uh, for everything that he's meant to them in their lives. And so, um, we've told you before, we, we, we love those prayers.

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The prayers have definitely given them some peace while he's dealing with this, especially from the pain. And so we, we pray that you continue to pray for that. Obviously we don't know how much time he has left and it may be a while and, and that'll be a blessing. And, and who knows, maybe he'll be able to even,

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um, you know, have some, some moments where he can share, uh, some of, you know, what's going on with him too. So, um, we don't, we don't sell guys short on anything, but we want to let you know, we live our lives, uh, for something better. And, and we are, we want to be the witnesses while we're here.

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When we cross over, um, maybe they'll write our name at a Bible, uh, somewhere just because we've impacted people. And so really that's all we can ask for is to be blessed by that. So, um, Just a big thank you to Unashamed Nation. And as one of the listeners said, Unashamed Family, because that's what you guys are. It's been a great encouragement to us. We're not devastated.

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Obviously, it's difficult to go through this as it is with so many of you out there. So many of you have shared that with us. And we just appreciate you. We love you. We love dad, obviously, and the impact that he has. We miss him not being here to give us his wisdom. But all we can do is be Timothy to his Paul and continue to share with you what impacted us. That's what we're going to do.

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Absolutely. Love you guys. We'll see you next time.

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It is kind of a, an anchor to, well, plus Zach, it's a, you know, we were, we were all trained by Bill Smith, who, who led, helped lead dad to Jesus and, and Smith, one of the greatest legacies that he left us was, was an understanding of the bodily resurrection. Because a lot of people out there in Christianity don't have a really clear understanding that, I mean, bodies will be raised.

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I mean, Jesus, the clear thing about the understanding of the resurrection is a body has to come forth. And so that tie, that idea of glorified flesh is really the key to the good news about what Jesus did for us. And you're exactly right. When you downplay that or you don't understand that, you're missing one of the key components of resurrection. you know, why we're saved.

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I mean, it's, it's a, it's a powerful thing.

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Welcome back to Unashamed. I'm in the last few episodes in the Southern Lair. Southern Lair number one, I guess. Get me a new studio ready, Zach, so I'll send you the bill. But so, Jace, so what did you do during the weekend? I don't know. You like the way I dropped that in.

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and uh but without that and i thought you know i like this thought yeah and the idea that you would enjoy that i spoke at a uh since we were last um on the podcast i spoke at a wild game supper and um you know those are really neat events because you got all these guys that get together they love to hunt and so they um You know, they brought all this different game in. There was deer.

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So the guys are walking around when people are first getting there. And, of course, it's an outreach tool just to share Jesus with some guys, you know, that may not know him. But they're walking around with duck bites. They were calling them duck nuggets, Jay's. We call them duck fingers, but they were duck nuggets. They were delicious. They fried them. They fried them, and very, very good.

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Duck fingers is what he calls them. This is similar. They weren't quite as long as we cut them, but you brine them, then you do a buttermilk soak, and then you fry them.

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but really, really good. And so they had two big pigs they'd cooked, you know, the, the were not big pigs, small pigs, but they'd cook those. And it was just, I mean, it was a feast, you know, but it was all things that, you know, people would hunt to get. And then of course I shared Jesus with them and, you know, which is the whole point of it.

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And so I do think there is sort of a tie there with this idea of loving the outdoors and yet having this connection to Christ. It's always been, a part of us and mainly because of dad, obviously. So, uh, which is what we want to talk about today.

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Cause we, we've been, I was, I told Lisa this weekend, I was overwhelmed just by how many people, once we talked about the podcast and Jason's right, it was kind of a delay because it took a few days of a podcast to release. And all of a sudden someone in the media picked it up and then it was off and running.

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And so the outpouring of love, of support, of prayer, just is, it's almost been overwhelming for me. So I want to talk about that and both in appreciation, but let's just, you know, talk a little bit about the legacy that we continue to live through that. So I don't know, did y'all have the same experience as me? Did you get a lot of texts?

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Yeah. And he had asked George, you know, so the genesis of this, we talked about in the podcast, we started a Bible class at our church and that dad wanted to lead, and it's basically just him sharing the gospel. And then he kind of took our old pal Jersey Joe under his wing, and Joe's been there with him through the whole process.

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And so the last couple of months since dad's been down, he turned it over to Joe, who's carried it on. And many of you come to West Monroe, you want to meet some of us, but mainly you want to meet Jesus, which is what we want. And he's continued to share that.

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And so he told Joe, he said, I want to come and see how you're doing with the class, which I love that because even kind of where dad is now, he still understands this idea of his investment into all of us. And the way I compared it to his living letters, you know, we're we're kind of the living Reagan letters of dad. you know, continuing a legacy of sharing with other people.

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And so I love that he wanted to do that. And so he did. And, and the fact he felt good enough to do that was encouraging to me as well. And so just, man, all the, all you guys out there, I heard from people I hadn't heard from in years that, Past business stuff, stuff we've done for the old show and for books. And it's just really neat.

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I mean, it's reminded me of the wide impact that that has had on culture and on people just from hearing from so many different people.

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What was your search? I'm just curious how you're searching.

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Oh, you said in the English dictionary. I said the English language.

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I just redefined my search. how many words in the English dictionary. And it has anywhere from 176. I mean, that's all over the place. The moral of the story is you can't believe what you read on the internet.

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How many words are in John? Are we in John 6 yet?

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Unlike... Al keeps copious notes. He'd do a great job at that.

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No, no, because you think about going back to even the road to Emmaus. I mean, this is post-resurrection of Jesus in Luke 24. I think it's in Luke 24.

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Yeah, it's like so that I mean, people can't see it. Like someone someone called me the day and asked me a question about particular geopolitical issue. And they're like, do you think people like see that Jesus is the Messiah? Like they don't like how can they read the Old Testament and not see it? And I think the Bible is pretty clear.

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and you'll see this again in the next chapter of John, that God has to illuminate our minds to see this. And so I don't think they really understood what Jesus was. I mean, they knew he was upsetting the apple cart. I don't think they really understood the depths of what he was talking about.

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They did know that he was definitely a threat to their power structure because that's why they tried to kill him. But he's essentially taking all of the things that they would hold up Because when you said Moses, I mean, another way of thinking about Moses is thinking of him as a prophet, right? They kind of worship the prophets, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, but you got the scripture, the five things you mentioned, the scripture, the miracles, the father, Moses. What was the fifth one? I can't remember what you said.

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All the things that would point as that would testify to what Jesus is saying. It just so happens to be they claim to hold all of those things in very high regard.

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But the problem is they can't see how they're all pointing to Jesus.

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You know the scriptures, Old Testament scriptures. You study them diligently, and by them you think you're saved, yet you miss me, the one they point to. So when you go to Luke 24, that's exactly what he does. He does the same thing with his disciples in Luke 24.

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as you just mentioned, but if you back up a little bit, when he comes up on the two guys on the road to Emmaus and they're pretty distraught over the fact that Jesus had died and he said, hey, what's wrong with you guys? And they're like, Have you not heard? Have you been under a rock? He actually was under a rock for three days. Where have you been for the last three days?

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Have you not heard what's happened in town? And they say this weird thing in verse 21. It's not weird, but it's kind of... shows what they were thinking. But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Jesus died, but we hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. But now he's dead. He's been dead for three days now.

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If you skip down a little bit, Jesus says this in verse 25, and he said to them, O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken. You didn't understand what was written in the scriptures is what Jesus is saying here. Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?

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And beginning with Moses, going back to John 5, and all the prophets... He interpreted to them in all the Scriptures, what Scriptures? The Old Testament. The things concerning Himself.

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And then when Jesus left their presence, they had a conversation with Himself in verse 32, and they said, "...did not our hearts burn within us while He talked to us on the road, while He opened to us the Scripture?" Then he goes into that room and has the conversation you were just talking about, Chase. But listen to what it says in verse 45.

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Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures. What scriptures? The Old Testament. And said to them, thus it is written that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead. and that repentance for forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name. To who? To all nations, beginning in Israel. You say, well, what does that sound like?

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It sounds a whole lot like the Great Commission, which Jesus gave at the end of Matthew, when he said, all authority on heaven and earth. has been given to me. Now go make disciples, going back to where to get the authority from. When he appeared before the ancient of days, which is prophesied about in Daniel 7, which is the phrase son of man, which is mentioned in John 5.

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So all these things are present here in this moment. And Jesus is like cutting through all of the minutiae and the religion. And he's testifying that the king, the king is here. The king, you guys, you're not seeing, you're not seeing me.

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They couldn't see Jesus because of the scriptures, ironically. They could not see him because they couldn't see him. And my point is, I think that what we'll learn next is, You can't see Jesus until Jesus says, hey, here I am. That is the motif of the road to Emmaus. They did not understand the scriptures until Jesus opened their mind to it. You'll see that play out in John 6.

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And so the question you got to ask yourself is like, I want God to show me. I'm asking for revelation. I want to see him. I don't want it just to terminate. And on itself, and I think a lot of times we don't want to see Jesus because we don't want to see that the Savior is going to suffer because we don't want to suffer. And the gospel is centered in a suffering Savior who dies on a cross.

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And yes, he's raised from the dead, but he does die on a cross. He does suffer. He does suffer. And that's why that last thing that Jesus said before, one of the last things he said before he died, he said, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? But do you remember what they thought he was saying? They thought he was calling out to the prophets.

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They thought he was calling out to Elijah because it kind of sounds the same. And I think that's really ironic because he was actually crying out to God and they had made the prophets their God, really. That's what they'd done with the scriptures. They'd made the scriptures their God.

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And in that last moment of Jesus's life, when he's crying out to his father, they actually think he's crying out to the prophets. So it's kind of a weird irony. I know that's what they heard, but I think it's what they wanted to hear because to them, that was their God.

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You know how it plays out, too. I was thinking of the way I grew up, and you guys kind of grew up similar at different points of our life because we grew up in the same kind of tradition of faith. I had this conversation with my granddad. when he was probably 15 years ago. And one of the things that we were talking about was, what does it mean to be a Christian?

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And he said, actually, how do you get to heaven? And he said, well, you got to obey the gospel, which is in the Bible, by the way. I think it's 2 Thessalonians 1. But I asked the question to him. I said, well, what does that mean? He goes, so what is the gospel? And he said, it's the Bible. He told me that. I said, so you have to obey the Bible to go to heaven. He said, that's right.

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I said, do you do that? He said, I do. I said, do you do it completely? He's like, well, no, but and he didn't have a framework. But his like in his system, it was that everything that he was trying to accomplish was we got to make sure that our worship is everything's got to be like it was like a formula. And the way that he interpreted the Bible was a rule book.

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Here's the rule book on how you're supposed to do everything. And that's what it was. And then being right with God meant I'm going to do all the right things. But I was like, but you're missing the bigger picture about this is a story that we're being invited into participate in. in a life with Jesus who takes us into the divine life, into the divine nature of the Father, Son, and Spirit.

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I think that's the big thing here. And I think that's what Jesus is getting at here. You're looking at the scriptures and you think there's some kind of formula in here for you to be saved, or you're looking at the miracles and you're thinking there's something in that for you. But these are all testifying to me. So don't let your

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your worship terminate on the things that I've given you to reveal myself. Let those be the conduits for you to come to me. And that happens, I think, in all of religious circles. And no matter what kind of denomination you grew up in, I mean, this is kind of what we do as humans. We want to box God in in this way.

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Jace, what is going on, man? I'm looking at Jace's mid-unpacking.

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Yeah, it's happening right now on planet Earth today, 2025.

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That's what he says. He says, I'm not. He said, but do you think I will not? Do you think I will accuse you before the Father? Jesus says this. He says, no, your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. Since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?

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And I think it's kind of interesting what you said there, because if you were to go back and read everything that Moses wrote and everything that's in the Old Testament, for that matter, how would you ever practice that right now? I mean, you can't. There's no temple. There's no sacrifice. There's no priest. That's all gone. In AD 70, all that went away. So it is kind of interesting...

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that the accuser is the very thing that they had put their hope in, which was Moses in the Mosaic Law. They had put their hope into that, and that was the very thing. Jesus is like, I'm not accusing you. Look at your own stuff. I'm not accusing you. You're accused by Moses, the one that you hold up above the one Moses pointed to.

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Were they being sarcastic towards me or were they being affirmative of me?

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The phrase I like is it's called the new exodus language. So when you think about... What Jesus is doing, it's new exodus. And so it's an overlay. So when you read about Moses, it really is like a mirror image of what's happening in the New Testament, except in the New Testament, everything's going to be accomplished.

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What couldn't be accomplished in the original exodus of God's chosen people will now be fully accomplished in Jesus. And now we become God's chosen people along with Israel.

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If you're not watching, he has a book in his hand that has got to be every bit of a foot and a half thick.

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That's an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas using promo code UNASHAMED. Yeah, that's the problem. I mean, I've had the same issue and I did the same exact research, but I went a little further in the research to the medical doctors that said, don't do that. I didn't just read the American folklore. I went a little step deeper. I got on a little website called WebMD.

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The medical community does not recommend smashing drugs. your hand with a Bible.

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That's where the phrase Bible banger came from was, was that. Really? You may look that up. I made it up.

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Well, I mean, why would you put that on the front of your dictionary? Well, you know, there's around 160,000, 170,000 words in the English language. Did you just look that up? I learned this whenever I took a Hebrew class. I was doing a master's program that I never finished, but I took a class in Hebrew studies.

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And the Hebrew language originally only has like, I'm probably going to butcher this now, but I think it's around 8,000 words. Really? English language. That's one of the difficulties that we have sometimes in interpreting stuff out of the original Hebrew in the Old Testament. Because we have so many words compared to just 8,000 words, like 170 versus 8,000.

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So we have like, they may have a word that has a lot of different meanings to it that you got to kind of, I don't know if I'm exactly accurate, but it's somewhere around what I said.

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I said 160 to 170,000. Well, let me read you this.

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Where did you look this up? I'm going to look it up now on my phone. Oh, boy.

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Well, there's your problem. Google's over. We're not Googling anymore.

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Yeah, exactly. That's the Google AI. You need to go to chat GPT or something.

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How many words are in the English language? Okay, see, that's interesting because you know what mine says? What? So estimating the exact number of words in the English language is difficult, which we would agree, but it's generally accepted that there are roughly 170,000 words in current use with an additional 47,000 obsolete words and potentially over a million total word forms.

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This just shows you how hard it is. I mean, it's hard. We don't know. The point I was making, Jace, is that there's a lot more words in the English language

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You thought he would miss to make your shot.

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Interesting, because if you look at the other three gospels, what they call the synoptic gospels, they all have interesting starting places. And you can go look them up and see. But John, he's like, let's just go back to the beginning, which I think is interesting. And so it kind of he's tying up. Basically, creation with this new creation that Jesus is going to introduce.

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I thought, I got to go. I'm not feeling real well. So when I got home, it got worse. Because then I could tell I had fever. It got more messy is what you're telling me. Well. You know, it's been a long time since I have thrown up with force uncontrollably. And so I got into one of those deals where it's kind of like a stock picker trying to figure out where the next vibe is coming from.

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Would you agree with that? Yeah, for sure. Well, when you get to what we're going to get to in the end of John 1, he goes back to this story with Jacob's ladder. And you see this quote from, I believe it's Genesis 28, when he said in 31, I tell you the truth. This is John 1, 51. You shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.

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And he kind of introduces this, what we would call temple language, which in their mind, the temple was where heaven and earth intersected. It's where God and man met.

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met and so everything their world was from a jewish standpoint was about this temple and uh so then even in john 2 you know his first sign is this at a wedding banquet you know which leads to him clearing the temple remember and then the argument that came out of this and jesus says you destroy this temple this is 219 and i'll raise it again in three days

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And the Jews replied, it has taken 46 years to build this temple, and you're going to raise it in three days? But the temple he had spoken of was his body. And so if you tie all that together, this ladder where Jesus is bringing heaven to earth together, think about Ephesians 1, 10, then you say, what's the significance of John the Baptist? Well, when I read Luke 1, I was shocked.

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Even though I've read this many times, we actually did Luke in a podcast. Did we not?

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The whole book. But I don't think we made note of this. And I just kind of wanted to read where the details about John the Baptist's arrival. You mentioned it.

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And before I read that Luke one, it... Just to go down my rabbit hole, where I had this idea is when I read in John 1. Where's that verse where it said the priest and they came to John? Let's see. Let me read that.

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Yeah, Levites came to John. So let's just read the John 1 first.

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Yeah. So verse 6 says, There came a man who was sent from God. Now, that little statement there, they came a man. Well, Luke 1 says, tells how that happens in graphic detail.

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And you'll see some interesting things. His name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. He himself was not the light. He came only as a witness to the light. He came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming to the world.

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So then when you skip down to verse 15, it says, John testifies concerning him. He cries out saying, this was he of whom I said, he who comes after me has surpassed me. Because he was before me, which kind of goes in.

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Yeah, which let's just stop and think about that. But it goes in with what John's beginning, going back to the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Right. So then verse 16, from the fullness of his grace, we have all received one blessing after another. the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. So then go to verse 19.

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Now, this was John's testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. And he did not fail to confess freely, I am not the Christ. So he was basically saying what some people call he was a signpost or a forerunner.

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So if you look up Levites and priests, just a standard definition, what would y'all say? I'll look it up on here.

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But in this case, I only had two choices. But it did occur to me, you know what I think we need? I think in our toilet industry, I think you need to buy a toilet when it may happen only once every 10 years because you get into a situation where you have two places where things are coming out, but you're only in one hole. And I literally was doing some kind of weird dance. I would sit down.

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Well, to read the overview, which I'm, I mean, I'm, I think at some point we need to change that to something because everybody's all wigged out about AI, which, okay, it's coming. I mean, we just had the whatever the Chinese came up with, the deep, whatever it was.

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Well, is it really artificial, or is it just a compilation of all the data?

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Thank you. That's what I thought. Me and my wife talked about that. But I was just thinking artificial intelligence. Because when I read this definition, I think they got it right. But they just went in there and figured it out. But it says in the Bible, priests and Levites were both classes of people who served in the temple in Jerusalem. Oh, wow. I think that's significant.

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And some people who listen to our podcast might not have known that, but I just thought, well, isn't that interesting that the first definition that comes out has to do something with that temple. And the next chapter, at the end of the first chapter of John, in chapter two, we're going to get into a lot of temple talk. And so it made me go over and read Luke 1.

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And what's funny is I have a NIV version, which I do not go out on the streets and say, oh, I love this version of the Bible. Sorry for those who have come up with that version. But I've read the same Bible so long, I can't function without it. I'm back in 1984. But what I noticed is when you read online, which is why I brought my computer,

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Well, the NIV, they've changed a lot of their translations since 1984.

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Yeah, and that's going to be significant because of what I'm going to get to. But I just wanted to read this on the birth of John the Baptist foretold. I mean, this is such a crazy story. And even in Luke's beginning, he says, because I see the word come up, when he says in Luke In verse, well, just let me read the first two verses.

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Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. Interesting take because John, you know, in the beginning was the word. You know, his is capitalized.

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But it's this same idea about when God makes a promise and think of Hebrews 6, it's impossible for God to lie. Or when God says something, it happens. That you can trust it. His word, and think of the Isaiah 40 that we read. Remember it said, His word endures forever. And that was the same quote that John used in the John the Baptist coming.

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Yeah. So I want to read some of this, which seems historical. And at first you think, oh, this is kind of boring, which is why I probably never noticed this before. Yeah. As I was giving the details, verse 5, in the time of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah. Well, what was he? He was a priest. So what did he do? He worked in the temple. Now, watch how this works.

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Who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah... His wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commandments and regulations blamelessly. So that was kind of their credentials, and it's the reason God chose them.

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Because we talk about God choosing John the Baptist, but I'm going to make a point that he actually chose Zechariah and Elizabeth for a purpose, which led to another purpose, And there was a miracle or supernatural intervention that occurred because verse 7 says, they had no children because Elizabeth was barren. And they were both well along in years. Well, do the math.

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This is, you know, when you reach a certain age, you're no longer able to have kids. Right?

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Well, yeah. So, I mean, like when we start talking about he foreshadowed, there was a lot of foreshadowing going on. And he chose a guy in the temple. And look how he chose him. I just was fascinated by this. Verse 8. Once when Zechariah's division was on duty, he was serving as priest before God. So it's just a random thing where he's chosen by a priest before God. And guess how he was chosen?

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I would get up. I'd turn my head over. I'd sit back down. I was looking at that wall thinking, you don't realize how dangerous.

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By a lot. I mean, this was just random. He happened to be chosen. I'm being sarcastic here, but...

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Which doesn't seem very Christ-like, but I'm just saying this is the word of the Lord. He was chosen by lot according to the custom of the priest to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside. Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense.

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This was not a normal functioning thing that was happening at that time. Because God had a plan. When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. But the angel said to him, Do not be afraid, Zechariah. Your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John.

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He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth. for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth, which is a passage I've never really understood, and that's why I wanted to bring it up. But seeing as how this is a miraculous passage,

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Or however you want to, how should we characterize this?

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No, I'm just saying this is what real people go through. I saw a quote somewhere. When you go through hell on earth, That's when you realize you need the presence of God in your life. There's 150 Psalms out there that describe that. And I really think, you know, we're reading Romans 8. I was thinking Romans 8.

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Let me see how they changed that since 2000. I looked that word up. 115 says, For he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or form in a drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he's born. So they even amended what I read. Yeah, exactly. I think it's a better, yeah. Yeah, I do too. Well, let me read this version then moving forward.

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He will bring back many people of Israel to the Lord their God. And let me start right there because what I was going to say about that being filled with the Holy Spirit or under the influence, we were taught, Al, in Bible school, when you see that, there's something miraculous happening. You're being filled. You remember when the Holy Spirit, was poured out in people.

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It says they were filled and they began to speak in tongues. It's usually some kind of miraculous spirit. Now, that's not always the case. You know, in Ephesians 5, it says, be filled with the Spirit, sing to one another, and with psalms, spiritual songs, and hymns, you know. But I'm just saying as a general rule,

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You do, like in this case, and the point you're saying, well, how come you don't understand this? Because in John 7, there's an interesting and somewhat controversial, what do you call it when the writer throws in his opinion? Parenthetical, maybe? Parenthetical thought. Yeah. In John 7, and I want to read this.

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In verse 37 of John 7, it says, On the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him. So that is like, oh, what does that metaphor mean? Well, if you're thinking that, then he throws in what that means.

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By this, he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time, the Spirit had not been given since Jesus had not yet been glorified. So I bring this up because, well, I thought Jesus, I mean, I thought John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit at birth. And then here it says the Holy Spirit hadn't been given yet. What does that mean?

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So if someone who was not familiar with this, how would you explain that is where I'm getting at, which is why I've always, when people ask me about Luke 1, well, how did John the Baptist, how was he filled with the Holy Spirit? if John said in John 7 the Holy Spirit hadn't been given.

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All these scriptures were popping in my head in between whatever that was that seemed to go on for hours. Because you do a lot of praying in that moment because you really think in the short term, you're dying. Yeah. I mean, this is, what was the movie that, you know, they got into the demonic, you know, they always do the demonic things and you start throwing up. So I don't know.

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of christ and that's a capital s so he's talking about the holy spirit he said you're not you're not connected with christ so oh this is so good i asked y'all i i we agree i had the same opinion and i knew that's what y'all were gonna say and i agree 100 but i just wanted to do it in that format but i want to say something because even though we're talking about john the baptist and we've now gone down a rabbit hole but i think it's a good rabbit hole

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No, Al, we're in a rabbit hole of the rabbit hole of the rabbit hole.

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I want to say this. Because I really think this is profound when he said, I baptize you with water, but he'll baptize you with the Holy Spirit. That's John the Baptist saying that. Well, I've gone to Luke 1 and showed you already that it wasn't just some random guy. Oh, it was some wilderness guy that had camel hair and ate locusts dipped in honey.

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I know it doesn't say that, but I'm just telling you. I tried to eat a locust one time. That was one of the most disgusting things I've ever tried to eat.

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Well, he ate honey also, and I thought, you know what? After I tried the locust, I'm pretty sure John the Baptist dipped it in honey. It was honey-dipped locust. It's lost in translations. It made me gag and sin as much as I've thrown up in the last few days. I don't want to talk about that anymore. But I want to say this.

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used a Greek word, if I can pronounce it, that is found nowhere else in relation to the Holy Spirit. Did you know that?

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Oh, I won't give you the verses. We're going to read them.

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The Apostle John. Now, when he uses that he'll be baptized, John baptized by water, but Jesus will baptize you with the Spirit. That is the normal word, wind, you know, translated wind, fire of the Spirit. So holy, you got holy is a Greek word, and then Spirit, so you put them together, you got something. But there is an unusual word that's only used by John, John the writer of John,

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that is called Paracletus. Yeah, Paracletus. So there are one, two, three, four, five references. So the first one is John 14, 16. So let's just go ahead and read that. It's an awesome, it is an awesome word. It goes to what Zach said, there's a difference between, And when he introduces this idea, so let's read 15 and 16 of John 14.

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Maybe that was the connection. Yeah. The Exorcist. So I actually think I've lost weight because since that 24-hour period, I haven't felt real good. I've had a few fever bouts. But, you know, everything I do is I take some water and I just, sip it, and then you say, okay, I think we're good.

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If you love me, you will obey what I command, and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another. Now, there's very different renderings of the word into English. You have counselor, helper, comforter. I think, or, well, I'll save the other one. So let me just read you a little bit of the definition of this. So is that paraclete is right there? That's paraclete counselor. Mine says counselor.

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I don't know what the updated. What does yours say, Zach?

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All right, well, I covered that. But look, I love the definition of this. It's someone who is called to aid, support, or intercede on behalf of another. I mean, that's the idea, right? An advocate, intercessor. That was the other one, advocate. A consoler, comforter, helper. Well, it's only used here in John. Don't you find that fascinating?

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And John, like, I mean, when he said he'll baptize you with the Spirit, well, this is what you get. Verse 16, he will give you, look, not only will he give you another counselor, he'll be with you forever. Now, that's quite a statement. Not just, oh, for a time. He will be with you forever. That word, wait a minute, I'm going to get something that's going to be with forever.

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True, but I want to say this. That was right after verse 23, because we're just skipping randomly through this, which 23 said, if anyone loves me, he'll obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and he will come, and we... We'll come to him and make our home with him. And so 25, he uses this paraclete again.

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All this I have spoken while still with you, but the counselor, there's the paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name will teach you. So what is the idea here? We're talking about making a home. He'll be in you. All right, so next one is 1526. I feel like we've gone this far. We need to read all of them. 15, 26.

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Now, remember, this is after the dissertation about the world where we're in a world, but the world doesn't. They're not going to like you if you follow me because they didn't like me. And so then he's introducing the idea of you're not of this world. There's going to be a world within a world. And now you're starting to see that you have a world with humans and then you have a world.

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of humans in Christ who have this counselor, this guide, advocate, helper, who's gonna be there forever in you. And so when you get into this heaven and earth coming back together, in some form. Now you're starting to see how this is taking shape by introducing this counselor.

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So 26 is when the counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the father, the spirit of truth who goes out from the father, he will testify about me. Well, no wonder we're talking about Jesus all the time.

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Okay. And I'm really excited about this. And you must, you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning. So then when you get to John 17 and that prayer, all of a sudden you get our inclusion. But the next one is John 16, 7. But I tell you the truth, it is for your good that I am going away unless I go away. The counselor...

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The paracletus, the helper of God, will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you.

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When he comes, look, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment in regard to sin because men do not believe in me in regard to righteousness because I am going to the Father where you can see me no longer and in regard to judgment because the prince of this world now stands condemned. You're like, I have that in my body?

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That was the first thing I ate. I ate about six crackers, and I thought, okay, well, then last night, because now I'm two or three days into this. Missy had made our parents, Al, some meatloaf and mashed potatoes. She actually cooked there two days in a row.

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See, Al, you're tracking. Your mind went there, and I haven't even – look, I said all that. I missed the pre-meeting. I missed the pre-meeting and I'm there. There's one thing left. There's one verse reference left. And if you read the whole book of John, you're not going to find it. I said there was five. I only read you four. Where's the fifth?

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So without cheating and looking up the Greek, without cheating. I'm going to say it's in the book of Revelation.

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He said it wasn't in the book of John. No, it's not in the book of John. Al, you got to pay attention to play the game. I missed that. So, and it's, look, this, all that's exciting because I saw y'all just bursting with excitement. As I was reading every word, I was like, boy, John, when he's talking about Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit, he was fixing to lay down

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a showstopper in what that means to humans. And he used this Greek word that is not used anywhere else in the Bible. And just to make it complete, the last time he used it is actually in 1 John. And I'm going to read it. And you're going to say, wait, what? 1 John 2 and verse 1.

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My dear children, the only reason I'm not reading the first chapter of 1 John is we're going to study 1 John after this, because if I start reading this, we will have to do seven podcasts to get how excited I am about what he talked about in the first chapter of 1 John before he got to this phrase, because it made everything make sense and click once I read this. What was it, 1 John what?

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1 John 2, 1, you might want to, if you underline in your Bible, you might want to underline this one. Because look what he does here. And this is a mind bender. 1 John 2, 1 says, my dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense. Well, that word, let me see what the current NIV version is.

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It says that we have an advocate with the Father. Well, that's a better translation. Before I throw the NIV under the bus again, I want to read it. The new NIV. ESV says.

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They made the change in the new NIV. So let me read it here. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate, a paracletus. with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous one. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not only for ours, but also for the sins of the world. So Al, when you naturally or spiritually

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Well, they actually ate it twice, which is because then, you know, Phil wasn't doing good the second day, she said. And – So I was going to give you a little field report, and that's one of the reasons I'm here today, because it's all about perspective. Getting better is something we take for granted.

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went there when you said it also makes Jesus' ascension make sense. Well, it does because it shows that connection. That's why I read that about Jesus being the ladder and you're going to see the angels ascending and descending. That's why he also said, when I'm lifted up, I will draw them into myself. That's why he said in John 3, John 3, you say, what does that have to do with the ascension?

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You remember when he said, I'll read it. Well, let me read the new one. In John 3, he says, where is that at? Right after he talks about being born again, and he says, I think it's verse 12. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe. How then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven. Correct.

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The Son of Man. And you're like, what's he talking about? Because he's looking at him becoming human. Yeah. Doing what he did. And then... making the presence of God in the heavenly realms available for humans by being the first human to enter that portal on our behalf. So when you think about it, he gives us the spirit, this pericletus, and we then, what do we do? We testify about it.

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We represent him. Well, then John takes that same word and is like, well, he's representing us there. I know you're struggling with sin here, but you have God's spirit and you have his son at the right hand of God, making that presence available for human beings. And he is performing that today, which gets you to realize when people say, what is Jesus doing now?

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He's doing spectacular things in the heavenly presence for us. And he's doing spectacular things on earth through his spirit, parakletos, that's in us. So just to remember the word here, I came up with a catchy tune because I know we're running out of time. So you have a world within a world. You have spirit-filled people in the world.

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So we're all created by God, and we all talk a lot, most of us. We're, in essence, parakeets. The thing about when you walk by a parakeet, but it's a bunch of nonsense. But there are those who are paracletos. who have the Holy spirit of God, when they're talking, they're speaking the word of truth. So it's a good way to remember it. I didn't read that out of a book.

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It just come out on the top of my head, but it makes a great shirt. Be a paraclete instead of a parakeet.

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And so right now, look, I feel not great, but I'm better than I was, and I'm pretty sure I'll be better as time goes on. But that's been sad about my dad, because... He has these conditions that they do not seem like he's getting better. I mean, we just have little short stints where he feels better. So he's got bad news and he's got more. Fractured vertebrae. Yeah, multiple.

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Well, because to your point, if that was true, then how come John wasn't baptized in the Holy Spirit at birth? And that was the point I was going to make. I know we're out of time because we did not finish this because I was going to make a point. The whole reason I even went down this rabbit hole is because I was perplexed on why John didn't get it. Remember when Jesus came to baptize him? Yeah.

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I mean, to be baptized by him, he's like, well, wait a minute now. You need to baptize me. I can't baptize you. It's like two views. You have John's view. Then you have Jesus' view. Remember when he was in prison? He was like, hey, somebody go ask Jesus if he's the one. Yeah, we sure this is the one. Well, wait a minute. I thought that was your whole job, John. What seems to be the problem?

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And I have concluded what Zach mentioned earlier, that even though he was chosen by God, like a lot of people in the Old Testament, and ultimately it was Zachariah and Elizabeth, there was still... And the same thing when Jesus said, John the Baptist is the greatest person ever born of a man. However, if you're in the kingdom, you're greater than him.

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And I think it's a reference to having this paracletus inside you as this counselor.

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Well, I'm getting to that next, but maybe we should suspend this and pick this up. Are we out of time? We're way out of time.

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Because I never got through Luke 1. I need to finish Luke 1 next time, and then we're going to get into exactly what you're talking about, the kingdom of heaven.

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Well, I think it's more than one. But anyway, so that'll be happening. But what you see is like, you know, Missy went down there Monday. And he seemed fine mentally. But then yesterday, which was Tuesday, he didn't seem so well. He was going to lead the prayer, and he just couldn't lead the prayer. I mean, it was just a long pause. And one of his cousins was there. One of his cousins was there.

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You want to pick a fight, I'm... I've been fighting for three days. No, let's see. When's the last time I saw you?

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You remember old Mac Hobbs, Al? Oh, yeah. And they were visiting him and Mary, two of the sweetest family members that we have. And loved them to death. And it was really difficult for them to see Phil in his current condition. And, uh, so he, he, as he said, he said, Phil, let me, let me finish that prayer for you. You know, of course, then he got teared up. It was very emotional.

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Now, having said that, uh, Willie went down there last night and Phil was perfectly fine. The best he had seen him mentally. So it was like just in a few hours.

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He was perfectly fine. And, uh, so it's very frustrating, but, uh, That's a field report, so keep praying. We're trying to make him comfortable, and I think for the most part, we've done a pretty good job of that. He has more better days than bad days.

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And we've had a lot of new ideas. We actually had a meeting last night. I was just on the phone because obviously I didn't. Cause no one wants to be around you. This was contagious, which my wife had either. She has supernatural forces. Uh, she just doesn't get sick very often. And, uh, I thought, babe, you're getting this. I mean, because she was just been in close proximity, but she hasn't.

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Two days ago. Let me tell you what happened after that session. And I want to apologize for those two podcasts because I kept thinking, why am I so tired? And I was just, I was feeling, I wasn't feeling good. But I have the Holy Spirit. I'm like, we're talking about things. I don't even remember what happened.

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So evidently it's either not contagious or my wife just, she just doesn't get sick. Or she hadn't got it yet. Yeah, but I'm going to tell you, she gets sick about once a decade. So now when she does, she goes down. So anyway, she's been real nice. But I have my computer today because I haven't been able to prepare.

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I literally was so just, you know, when you have fever for a long period of time, it just, you can't, I couldn't write, I couldn't see straight. And so I'm going to do this Bible study today on the cuff.

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We did, and I said, I've been thinking about this. I've been unable to write anything down, but I kind of ran it by Zach, and he thought it was an interesting discussion. So there's your cliffhanger. I like it. Yeah, so I don't know.

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So yesterday I go to the store in my pajamas. I come home and Missy's like, why would you go to the store in your pajamas? And I said, I wanted to be comfortable. I was wearing Cozy Earth, which you gave me for Christmas. That's right.

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Well, I will take zero credit for any contribution I made, because that was surely the Holy Spirit of God. Because as soon as I walked out of this room, I started feeling a little discomfort. And I went to the bathroom, and I thought, whoa, that was... That was messy. Then somebody wanted to talk about something. I don't even remember the conversation. But I just had to end it.

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Well, do you want to just, do you want to go ahead and dive into this? Why don't you do what you were going to do with the book of John, and then I'll figure out how to go down this road.

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That little mention of Luke 1 is where I went down the road.

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Because, you know, when you think about this, you seem to have, you know, Jesus being portrayed, which in John 1, you know, we didn't say, this is kind of like an overview that's almost poetic. And then you see it lived out in all these, whatever you want to call it. Some people call it like a symphony or portraits.

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Or with all these conversations and signs, you know, some people break it down to like the first 12 chapters are these signs. And then 13 through the end is the glory revealed in what Jesus does and who he is. And so to all these things in John one, I mean, he starts from the beginning and which is.

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i am unashamed what about you welcome to unashamed i guess if we we don't have our buttons we needed some cheering and

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Well, did he know it? Zach, I was on it and I didn't know it. It was, it was called net fade.

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Yeah, that was it. That was the idea. But then Zach had this idea about that. We should really, it came from you Zach. Cause you and Jill kind of came back and said, we should call this the, um, unashamed podcast or something along that line. And so we filmed this promo, uh, And it was a really cool promo. And we were reading, me, Jace, and dad were reading Romans 1, 16 and 17 in the promo.

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Do you remember that, Zach?

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At the end, there was a big fire. And it was really well done. And dad was supposed to read the verse. But instead of saying, not ashamed, I am not ashamed of the gospel. Because that's what Jace said. That's what I said. Dad said, I am unashamed. And he did it in such a dad way. I am unashamed of the gospel that that's what changed our name. Yeah.

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Yeah. So that's why I'm on the podcast.

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Yeah, you're right. We had actually already recorded me, Dad, and Dan. Did those come out? They've never come out.

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I do remember this about Dan, Dan being the third chair guy, is a lot of times Dan's comment would be, so what you're saying is – That'd be it. It was just what you're saying.

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And one of the things that's really been neat from that is because we, by the way, thank you, Unashamed Nation. You sent over 200. uh, emails that Alex and I have read and just, your stories are amazing. And I picked a few of them, but one of them was the guy, Alex Napier. And I actually just met him up in, uh, when I was up in Kentucky last week.

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And it's funny, I want to mention his, what he said, because he said, growing up in Eastern Kentucky, when he was a kid on the summer nights, you know, they sat outside cause it was cooler out there. And he would listen to his dad and his grandpa talk about the Bible.

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and that became his basis of understanding what the bible was and so when he came across our podcast the draw was it was back to his childhood it was just like sitting on the front porch in eastern kentucky

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listening to my dad and my grandpa he said that's what i feel about your family and what i hear and what i get to participate in the bible study so to y'all's point you were just describing it's not just us i mean there's people all across you know people that listen all across the country that have similar experiences and it touches into that by our style and kind of the way we do it yeah it's been uh

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clapping and it's a big day it's a big day that was the stage we went through al the buttons and the cheering we're all at different locations so jace you have a different for the 1000 podcast of the of the unashamed podcast you you have a looks like you've moved into a cave maybe where we're in an undisclosed location where are you

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Well, and that's Zach. We said that, I don't know if you remember at the beginning, we said, we want this to be us in our living room, talking about the Bible, just like we did growing up. And the podcast listener just has a chair and they're, they're listening and and participating in the sense that they're actively listening to what we're talking about and then taking that with them as they go.

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And so that, that was exactly what we had in mind.

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Well, one woman said she had to go back and listen to two a day to catch up. because she'd come in at about number 60, so I was like, yeah.

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Yeah, mine's probably not quite that much, but the way my mind works, I'm probably getting about twice as much out of the text in half the time. So...

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Jace may not even agree with that. All right, we got a treat here. We got a... So we got different emails. I've read a couple, but we have one of our listeners with us. I'm going to take a break. Oh, we have listeners coming in. We got a listener coming in and tell us a little bit about her story. And so let's take a break. We come back. I'll introduce one of our listeners.

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Welcome back to Unashamed. We have one of our listeners, Kim Giglio from Arizona. And there are so many of you. We just, you know, it's hard to pick so many amazing stories out there. But Kim came to mind because she had won tickets to come and see the blind with the family. And Kim, if I tell this wrong, just correct me. And but she her nephew wound up being in a terrible accident.

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And so she couldn't come. But she was so gracious that she offered her tickets to someone else who did come. And that's how I heard about her story. And so I know she's a longtime listener. So welcome, Kim, to Unashamed. Well, thank you.

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Well, and that's what struck me about your story is such an unashamed story. It's full of grace and everything. So whatever happened with your nephew, did that turn out OK? Because I remembered us praying about that.

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That's fantastic. So now, before you came on, Zach was saying, I wonder, he kind of challenged out there to Unashamed Nation, how many have been with us the whole time? And you have listened to all, I guess now up to where we're at on the release, but up to a thousand podcasts. You've been there with us, right?

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I knew you would like that. So tell us this, Kim. Because you're speaking today, because we have some emails, but you're speaking today for Unashamed Nation. So what is it about the podcast that has been the biggest blessing to you? How has it helped you in your spiritual walk and just your everyday living?

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So that's awesome. I did not know that. But man, what a what a touching story. reminder for me and that God has a plan as well. And I don't know, Kim, if you've experienced this, but I've said on the podcast that, you know, things like this, that what you're going through, what we went through, give you an opportunity to serve in a new way as well. Not only serve God, but serve your husband.

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And that's what I experienced with Lisa. And so The spiritual growth I experienced has been powerful, even though sometimes in that fear, where it starts, it allows us to trust in God in a new way, which is powerful.

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That's powerful. What's his first name?

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Nick. As we close out here with you being with us, Kim, can we pray for Nick? On the podcast?

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Father, I just want to come to you and so grateful Kim has been able to join us today. And I just appreciate her unashamed faith, how much she trusts in you and the fact that she's been with us along this journey for the last six years. I'm just grateful for her. I pray for Nick today, Father. I just pray a blessing on him physically that his cancer will be healed. He will be in full remission.

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And I pray his heart will always turn to you for the ultimate answers as we look forward to the great resurrection. We love you. We're so grateful for Unashamed Nation. So many stories like Kim and Nick's out there, and we're just grateful we get to be a part of it every single day. We pray this in the power of Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Kim, thank you for joining us.

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Thank you for listening and being a part of the podcast. And so I love your heart and we just pray God's blessings on you.

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That was great. So great to hear from folks out there. In fairness, Zach, to you, because that was obviously a pro-J's. Here's one from Paul.

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Hey, we're fair and balanced here on the Unashamed podcast. First and foremost, I love the show. And one of the reasons I wanted to read this email is because I really love where he found out about it. He says, my 22-year-old college student told me about the podcast three years ago. So that's fantastic, right? The Twins Heroes, this is our podcast and turns his dad onto it. I liked it so much.

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I went back to the beginning and listened to every podcast, which took me one or two a day until I caught up. It's a great show. I love listening. Great. We respect your father and appreciate how the Lord has worked through him. Secondly, I love a good burger and I love Kraft sliced cheese. So here was a prose. He said, I want Zach's burger recipe. Typical Jace.

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He cut him off before I got to hear how he made his burgers.

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So I want to read this one. I tried to just pick something that kind of representative of a lot of different thoughts. And so this is Zach from North Carolina. Now, Zach, I don't know if you sent this in under.

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Yeah, I don't know if this is actually you. That would be a Zach move. No, it can't be Zach because it starts out, says I am a young man from North Carolina.

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So I want to personally thank you as I started listening to the show back in 2020 when the episode count was in the 60s. So that's when he picked it up in the 60s. During that time, I just got sent home from college from COVID, was really struggling with a porn addiction. I knew I needed to quit and was struggling with doing so. By the grace of God, I found your show.

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and would listen during times of the day that I was most tempted to look at images and videos. Therefore, while I was completely up to date on listening to every episode, would even know the timing of when episodes would be released as I had to listen to the show almost every day, at least once a day.

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I cannot thank you enough for redirecting my thoughts away from sin and instead pointing me towards Jesus. One line that Jay said that really stood out to me and helped me was when he said, you have to love Jesus more than you love the sin. As a result, I'm happy to say that I have not looked at porn in four years, and my life is significantly better because of it. I love that.

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And that's from Zach. Isn't that great? And it really just spoke to... how much we speak into the word of God. And we, we keep making the point is that got it was the idea is it's not trying not to do something is trying to get a better picture of Jesus. And then through his power is how you overcome things. And so that's really been a central theme. And that's why that stood out.

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What I love about it is that, you know, a note like Zach's we just read, but I got a note from Dwight Franklin, a friend of mine from over in Texas. And, you know, Dwight's lifelong Christian, strong families, leader in his church, teaches Bible class. But he listens to our podcast because it enhances his spiritual walk. In other words, not that he's not any, you know, he's not perfect.

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He's not sinless, but he uses what he gets to then enhance and teach other people. And so I love that. You got one guy that writes in and says, you know, you helped me through Christ to be able to deal with a sin problem. Another guy said, you're helping me teach other people. And that's the beauty of it. It works to everybody that's there.

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I want to read one more because we only have a few minutes left. There's a lot of people out there that we love and respect and appreciate what you do. And so there are a lot of notes that came in from military and first responders. And I want to read one of those because it's kind of representative of what a lot of other people said. This is Kelly. He says, I'm a firefighter. for the U.S.

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Department of Defense based out of Jacksonville, Florida. I'm also a huge fan of your shows and podcasts. I was reaching out to let you know how much your podcast had impacted my life over the last year. Me and my family watched Duck Dynasty as well as Duck Treasure, Jace.

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It's our family nighttime routine, but the podcast has been a lifesaver for me, especially while I was on shift at the fire station. Seeing what we on a daily basis take a mental toll after a while, we need something to take our mind off the cause. when we go and witness. Watching, listening to the podcast has really helped me mentally while on shift, as well as in my Christian walk.

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What you guys bring to the table means more than you could ever know. As a token of my appreciation, I'd like to send you guys a patch from my department and some challenge coins, because I know that Jace and Uncle Si love their treasure. God bless each of you, and please know your podcast is helping this firefighter.

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And I love that because it's not just the spiritual aspect in his case, but it also helps him cope with and deal with a very tough job in a very tough situation. So, again, what a blessing that is and a way for us to say thank you for all you first responders and military and veterans out there that listen to us as well.

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Exactly. And become a blessing to other people. That's exactly right. With our last couple of minutes, Jace, what would you say, after a thousand podcasts, what has stood out to you in what we're trying to get done?

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And we know that many of you, I appreciate both of y'all sharing that. We know many of you out there view us that way. And so we're honored. We're humbled. And I'm glad we got to close out the 1000th episode by honoring those who have mentored us. So what a blessing. We'll see you next time on 1001. Oh, we're going to do some more. We're going to do some more. Oh, okay.

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1001 is on the horizon. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thank you, Unashamed Nation, for a thousand great episodes. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes.

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Let me add a couple of things to that, Jase. One is, and I don't know that he'll hear this, but I just want to say thank you to Dan. We talk a lot about Dan. on the podcast, he's kind of dad's right hand man. And he's really taken over, you know, just making sure dad gets his meds and his, his, uh, you know, stuff he needs to drink and taking him to his doctor's appointment.

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That's not, as Jace mentioned, that's not always easy because dad is kind of a reluctant patient. Uh, it's a nice way to put it. Uh, so I just want to thank Dan publicly for that. And, uh, he's a great guy. And also I want to just say that, Dad also, the last time I talked to him, I feel bad. I hadn't been on these podcasts, but I'm just not up for it. I said, Dad, look, you trained us.

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We are your living legacy, me and Jace and Zach. and everybody else that sat at his feet. And so I said, you've trained us to step in and do what we do on the podcast and share the word of God and lead people to Christ. So I said, you are on the podcast. I realize you're not physically on our set, but every time we break out the word of God,

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And trust me, Dad, you're living in us by what you taught us. And I was trying to encourage him because that's what legacy is all about. And that's why, look, he said it many, many times. You've heard him on Ashamed Nation. He said the resurrection looms large and it waits for all of us because that's the way we're all going to go.

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So while we're here, we try to have the biggest impact that we can. So we're unsure about where it's going to go with Dad. But just remember this, as long as we're here sharing the word of God, Dad is always going to be a part of that process.

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Well, and part of that's that fierce independence that he put in us too. Jay's noticed a few years ago, the first time dad started having a few issues, uh, that, uh, you know, It was like the first time he couldn't pull that motor, he said, Jace, start this motor for me. We began to see that shift in that transition. So again, that's part of what it's about.

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But look, we just want to give you an update. Thanks, Jace, for doing that. Because today is really your day, Unashamed Nation, because a thousand episodes, as Jace said, of anything is a lot. And you guys have grown with us both numerically. I don't know where we are, Zach, on people, but it's a lot of people. that subscribe, that download.

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And again, we're grateful because you can't teach if someone's not willing to listen. And so, you know, that's what we love to do. And I look back, I was trying to find the notes from the very first podcast, and I didn't find the exact notes, but I did find the date. that we did the first three podcasts. And of course, Zach wasn't with us early. I don't remember Zach.

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Do you remember when you came in and started kind of being more of a regular?

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So the first date, Jace, November 2nd, 2018. So it was six years ago. So what is today? Almost to the date, yeah.

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It started six years ago.

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Yeah, six years.

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So you want to guess what our first 15 episodes, according to my notes, and I'm a pretty good note taker.

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No, we actually started there after the first 15. The first 15 episodes were the gospel.

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The gospel of Jesus. And the very first podcast was an intro to good versus evil and God and Satan. That's where we began.

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So here's another little fun factoid, Jace. The first few episodes, I think it was those first 15 maybe, and then we shifted into the overview of Genesis. But we were actually operating under a different name. We were called the Net Faith Podcast, which was our original name. Did you know that, Zach?

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I tell you what, I'm fired up more than I've ever been to preach the gospel unashamedly, unfiltered, and without care of what somebody else thinks because that's the biggest thing he inspired me personally to do You know, I had a situation where, you know, Brighton and I were praying, send us people to preach the gospel to.

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You know, we got a great church up in Nashville and awesome friends, but you're kind of in a little bit of a bubble, you know, when you get to that point, which is great. But we were praying, hey, send people to preach the gospel to. And I was at the car dealership of all places. And this guy, you know, he was obviously not a believer, you know.

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And and out of nowhere just said, are you a Christian? And I thought, oh, here we go. I mean, what's the odds of that? You know, I mean, I pray in the day before, you know, maybe even that morning. And he said, are you a Christian? And so I've walked through the whole thing and and preached in the gospel. And, you know, he said he was going to come to church and stuff.

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But there was something in the back of my mind where I was like, I left a little bit hanging out there because for some reason I wanted this guy to like me. You know, I was like, hey, we would still be friends, you know, or whatever. And which I was trying to buy a truck, you know, so. But, but.

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you know, it just, he inspired me so much, you know, my whole life, but just through this process of, he didn't give a rip what you thought about him. He's like, Hey, this is the good news. And you need to hear this because I love you as a brother in Christ. And I want you to, I want you to get what I got, you know, and just, it fired me up. Oh yeah. Yeah. I did.

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Cause it was, I mean, I just talked about how impactful it was. I mean, it was, that was by far the best funeral I've ever attended or seen, you know? I mean, it just was, it was amazing, you know? And, and, Gospel was preached, you know, we worshiped, we honored and celebrated him.

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I mean, and his whole life was honoring and celebrating what Christ did for him, you know, and it just, I think that was done really well. And I was blown away. Yeah, I was.

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Yeah. That's what I think is so, I mean, that's so impactful to me. And I mean, you probably don't even realize this. I mean, maybe you do. But, you know, Sadie asked a question on her podcast I was on the other day, which, by the way, I got to say this. Her producer said, reads just like Jace, but spicier. What does that mean? I don't know. That means you're like Phil.

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You can put that one in your pocket. I had to say that. He's a spicy one. But she asked a great question. She said, how did Phil's example impact your dad? And how did that impact you? I told it from my perspective that, you know, my dad was obviously impacted by Papaw Phil and gave his life to Christ.

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And then when I wanted to be baptized, you know, I had seen throughout the years of my childhood, you know, three or four times a week, people sitting on our couch, you preaching them the gospel, they're crying, you know, and having these moments there, you know, and I'm just walking through the house doing my thing or whatever. But I'm seeing this every day, it seemed like.

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And you would say, go read the book of John. Come back. You need to figure out who Jesus is, you know. And that's how you would start it. And then I come to you and I say, hey, I want to be baptized. And nothing was different. You said, go read the book of John. Come back. I mean, it was like carbon copy, you know.

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And so, yeah, I mean, you may not even have realized that, you know. But it's just that's so impactful that, I mean, he's – I mean, I know I'm biased because he's my grandpa, but – I mean, to me, he was the ultimate human example of what it meant to live with the Holy Spirit inside of you and live your faith as a Christ follower. I mean, he did not care.

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He said, I got the Holy Spirit inside of me, and I'm rocking and rolling with that. And I want to bring as many people along with me as possible. Yeah, exactly.

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Actually, she said, I want all four boys to speak. And you said something like. you know, well, who are the boys? And she said, where's the common sense around?

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I mean, it's just been incredible. My wife said, I don't think I've been around – your entire family ever, you know? And I was like, I can't remember the last time we were all together. And then we've never been together where it's just, it's everyone I ever knew, you know? Which is amazing because

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I mean, I grew up at White's Ferry Road and there was just so many people that were just rock solid. They were just always there, you know, and it just becomes your your true church family, you know, and I've been gone for 10 years. And now it's like you come back and it's everyone I could ever think of and not think of all in the same place. Yeah. Telling stories and celebrating and and yeah.

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I mean, it really is amazing just to see the, like we've all said, you know, the outpouring and the love and just how, how respected he was. I mean, there's, and all the texts we've gotten and everything. I mean, there's so many people that. They never met him. They never knew him, but they all have their own individual story of this is how he impacted me.

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And I remember watching this and I remember, you know, turning my life in this direction because of him. And it's like, man, I mean, even people that, I mean, they never had a real conversation with him. I mean, some of his family never really did too, you know?

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which is funny, but he just, he was a man of, I mean, he was just a Titan, you know, and I mean, heaven got a Titan, you know, I mean, I've heard that a lot just from people that have texted me and, and, uh, but it's funny. I mean, I was mentioning earlier that thinking about the kingdom and eternal life starting now, and we're a part of Jesus Christ's kingdom that he's building now into forever.

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I mean, you're really, you know, you say things like, you know, I'm so sorry for your loss and condolences and, you know, I know it's hard and, And, you know, you say, thank you. Yes, you know, it is. And I've said that plenty of times, you know, and you say things like, no, you know, we're celebrating.

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We know where he is, you know, but in the back of your mind, you're thinking it's still it's still hard, you know, and it is. But, I mean, you truly feel something else when you believe what we do because it is an amazing thing. And we are happy. I mean, he wants to be there. He was ready for glory for 60 years. I mean, there was no stopping him. Yeah.

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You didn't have it. I did tell that story. You are correct. But I've been on other trips, so it didn't happen.

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I was sighting in my rifle. I had to hit right there. I'm saying we were way out in the country.

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But how many signs out in the country? Think about it. Oh, they're all shut up.

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I think that John 6 is going to be amazing when we get there. I don't want to get too far ahead of it.

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You know what's weird, though? You're making me think about something. I'd never seen this before. until I was out, there's a certain part of Louisiana. It's kind of no man's land. It's a, it's around like Alexandria, Jones borough, Jonesville, all that area. Um,

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Yeah, I have thought about that, that the logic of the argument against the chosen, if you took that logic... and philosophy is called argumentum absurdum. You push it out to the, it's in conclusion. Then what would happen is you, you could, there's a cricket. You could never pontificate on anything about the Bible because you just have to read it straightforwardly.

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Just read, you're just going to read the scripture. So we're all kind of indulging in trying to make sense of the text. And, um, on the not, not yet now podcast, we had a guy on, uh, the episode we posted last week or a few days ago, Brian Rice, Dr. Brian Rice.

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And one of the things he said I thought was good, he said when he went to seminary, he had a class and they said, you need to master the text. And he said, what a horrible idea. He said, no, the text needs to master me. The text needs to exegete my life. The text needs to look into me. And I think that's the problem. That's what we're trying to do. We got cheers there.

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Yeah, it's not that we're... The text masters me. We need the text to master us.

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Which I'll tell you a funny story. Shameless plug again. I was on Chad Wright's podcast, and I talked about this on his podcast. One of my friends who I really been praying for that would come to know Jesus listened to that podcast. And I'd said something on there that he said, I want to study the Bible with Zach because I'd never heard a Christian say this.

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But what I said was on the podcast, I said, you can make an idol out of the Bible. And as shocking as that is, it's true. And Jesus testified to it. Jesus said it, yeah. He said it. You study the scriptures diligently and by them you think you're saved, yet you miss me. And so I think that's the thing that we have to remember in reading the Holy Scriptures is that they point to a person.

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Gina. Yeah. I mean, it's no man's land. But I remember when I would drive out there back in my earlier career, and you would drive by a sign. And I don't know what this was, but they always had – tell me if you've ever seen this. It would be a string of massive flathead catfish. It would be like seven of them. hanging on a sign, but they'd be all over the place. I'd see them all the time.

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You can't worship the sign. The sign is pointing us to a destination, and that destination is the person of Jesus Christ.

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Did they say it that bluntly?

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Guy's an idiot. I think Thomas Jefferson did something similar. He cut out a lot of the Bible that had the supernatural Holy Spirit and tried to create a Bible that told the version.

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I never knew. Have y'all seen that?

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It was just the head. And the carcass? And the carcass, but they'd be strung up, so they'd be on top of one another, and they'd be hanging from a sign, like a stop sign.

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Yeah, I think it's like, I mean, James makes the point very clearly that faith without effort, works, movement is actually not faith, it's dead. But for whatever reason, I think in our And I think I understand it, but we look back and we want to overreact to maybe a workspace gospel. So we want to remove any type of effort, movement, work, pursuit out of it.

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But I mean, you just can't separate the two. You really can't. Good point. I think what we're seeing here is that it's always going to... True faith is always going to result in movement.

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Did you make that up, or is that actually true?

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It's a world within a world within it. Well, I, well, I'll go, I'll go one deeper. I did not know that.

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There's another, there's another world, Jace. There's another world inside the world, the redneck world that I got to taste a little bit of last time I was there. And it's actually right across the hall from where you're sitting right now called the duck call room. I was a guest on the duck call room. Oh boy.

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Which is why Paul gives the way Paul positions against signs. Not that signs are bad, because they're good, because God obviously used it throughout the entire Bible. But Paul in 1 Corinthians, he pits something against the signs. The Jews, he says, demand signs. He said, but you know what we preached? the crucified Christ.

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And I mean, he didn't just say Christ. He said the crucified Christ. I think what people want out of the signs is that what they're really saying is I want, I want the benefit of God. I want the kingdom without the king, but you can't get the kingdom without the king. And to get the kingdom with the king means you got to live a life that's willing to sacrifice. That's what Christ did.

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Oh, yeah, there's an energy there for sure.

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The times have changed. I was thinking of the David Allen Coe song where he said, my long hair just can't cover up my redneck. And I've won every fight I've ever fought.

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When I was in college, probably one of the most transformative books that I read was a book from Voice of the Martyrs that talked about the persecution that had gone on throughout the church's history. Unfortunately, this is just something from the past. It's something that still happens today, and I really love these guys at Voice of the Martyrs.

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I mean, for me, seeing how the church operates around the world in the face of persecution really is one of the greatest testimonies to who God is.

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Oh, really? Oh, yeah. How old is he? He's three.

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That picture I was thinking of when you're talking about that cloud, God showed up in the Old Testament quite often as a cloud or in the form of smoke. Yep. Particularly when you're talking about God's presence, smoke would fill the tabernacle, the temple. If you think about the time when he had the interaction with Abram, Or was it Abraham? Yeah.

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I was thinking 15. 15, yeah. But it was the one where they cut the animals in half and they have the covenant. He puts Abraham asleep and then the smoke goes through the divided animals, meaning that God's presence moved through the divided animals, which I think is the real story of Jesus, is that what's happening in the Old Testament is, It was always about God's presence.

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That never changes, right? The problem with the Old Testament is that it was not on the side of God. It was on the side of humans, us. That we were the problem, always were. I mean, if you go back and read Genesis 3, and you see who withdrew from who first, it was Adam and Eve sinned. They ate the fruit, and then they were the ones. that covered up initially.

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They made fig leaf coverings for themselves. They ran, and they hid from the Lord, and then they heard the Lord God walking in the garden, and then God approached them, And that goes in line with that Romans 5 passage that while we were enemies, Christ died for us.

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A lot of this language about being an enemy of God, I think we lose it sometimes in Western Christianity because we only see it as that God's mad at us. But we don't see the part that, no, we're enemies in our mind, too. That's a big part of this. You know, Colossians, Paul says in Colossians, we were enemies and alienated in our mind.

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I think the trajectory of the Old Testament, if you read it and you never heard about Jesus, never heard about the God of the Old Testament, I'm just going to give you this book, Genesis, these books, Genesis to Malachi. Read it and tell me what you think. I think here's what you would come back and say. I think you would say, this is not going to work.

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Not because of the God of the covenant, but because the ones he made the covenant with, these people, us humans, they are adulterous and they continue to rebel. Even like, as you mentioned in the Exodus, even with the cloud guiding, even with the miracles, even with the manna falling from heaven, They're still trying to gather it all up. They're making golden calves. They're doing all the things.

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I mean, what are you doing? That's what we do, by the way. So the problem is always in the problem of humanity. And what's happening in the coming of Christ, the Messiah, is that God is going to accomplish his ultimate mission, is that he will dwell with his people despite everything. human failure. Despite human failure, he is going to join people and it will be accomplished in Jesus.

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So I think that is like a good backdrop as he's entering into this world, which we would know as Second Temple Judaism. He's entering into this world, and he's going into the very epicenter in John 2 of their entire structure, their entire system, their entire way of life. Everything that they were about is in this temple, and that is exactly where Jesus is going.

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So you think, what is the problem with sin at its core? It's that it causes us to withdraw from the presence of the Lord, which is the very thing that we're looking for. We withdraw from the very source of life itself. That is the nature of sin. It's not an arbitrary violation of a commandment that God gave. It is simply to withdraw from the presence and hide from the presence of the Lord.

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And that's what Jesus is going to actually solve. That's good.

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You just touch the hem of his garment and you find healing.

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So it's like all these... Yeah, but to your point, those gods they're bowing down to, I think this is... Very, very notable. These aren't like fake gods. These aren't like made-up entities. These are actual... The term would be Elohims, not Yahweh, but like little gods with a lowercase g in the divine realm, in the divine council. There's a divine council.

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Elohim's what's mentioned in multiple, I mean, it's mentioned in Deuteronomy.

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The idea, though, is Elohim is a Hebrew word for God, not to be confused with Yahweh, which is the one true God, the supreme being, But there is this word, Elohim, that's used throughout the Old Testament. Exactly.

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They procreate with humans and create... Think Goliath, you know, giant... Nephilim, they create these... We talked about this with the fuzzy creature guy.

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I mean, you definitely see it in the Tower of Babel because you have Genesis 6 where you have the, the sons of, what's the word? I think the term is the men of renown, is the phraseology in the scripture, men of renown. Same word in Hebrew used in Genesis 11 when it talks about, let's go make a name for ourselves.

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Let's build a tower of heaven so that we can make a name for ourselves and not be scattered. So Michael Heiser points this out in his book, The Unseen Realm, that the What he proposes is that whatever created this, the Nephilim with the sons of God coming into the women and having sex with these earthly women, creating these Nephilim, this is something that happened again.

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It wasn't like a one-time event. It happened, it created, however horrible it was pre-flood, it got really bad because of this. Then it happens again in Genesis 11, which if you think about Genesis 11, like up until Genesis 11, there weren't any nations. That wasn't a thing. Nations were instituted by God at the Tower of Babel because of what they were trying to accomplish.

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And God says, I'm going to scatter them and I'm going to put... These nations under these Elohims who ended up worshiping these foreign gods, these created beings that Yahweh had created. And then, very next chapter, that's when God pulls his portion. Genesis 12, that's when God pulls his own people, which was Israel. And then the whole flow of redemptions continues from there.

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But if you think about all of this, where does it all begin? It all began in the Garden of Eden when heaven and earth were together. It wasn't a separation of the divine heavenly realm and earth. Everything was according to God's will. It was being enacted. That's why when Jesus teaches us to pray, what does he say? We pray for thy will to be done where? On earth. Well, how?

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Well, just like it is in heaven. Heiser points this out. It's Edenic language. It's returning back to Eden. And so the temple... is a key part of this because the temple became that kind of prototype place where God would live because God lives in, you know, we live in our house. Where does God live? Well, he lives in his house. Where's his house? It's the temple.

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And what Jesus is doing here in John 2 is he's about to really expand our understanding of what it means to be the house of God. He's going to obliterate the whole thing that we thought. And by doing so, he's actually going to destroy Second Temple Judaism, which is why Second Temple Judaism is isn't even a thing anymore. Why? Because there's no second temple.

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The first temple was destroyed in 586 by the Babylonian invasion. Second temple went down in 8070. There is no third temple.

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That is the difference. So what Jesus is going to do on the Mount of Olives, for example, in Mark 13 and Matthew 24 or 25, when he's going to make this prediction that the temple structure is coming down, you have to understand Deuteronomy 12, it lays out the case that if there's going to be a sacrifice, that that has to happen in the temple.

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And that's where the priesthood is located, in the temple. Everything is centered. Put this in your mind for a second, when we talk about the temple, the second temple, which is being expanded. I think it was called the Herodian expansion. The entire Old Testament system is anchored and centered in this structure that was initially built by Solomon and then destroyed and rebuilt.

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The whole system is there. If that thing goes down, then there is a major problem because now, this is the point that the Hebrew writer makes, there's no sacrifice for sin anymore. Because you don't have a priesthood, you don't have a sacrificial system, you don't have a temple. The whole system can't bear the weight of it.

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So I think what Jesus is establishing here when he says, hey, destroy this temple is And I rebuilt it in three days talking about his body. I mean, I don't think I think we got to see this. Not as this isn't some add on in the New Testament. No, what we're talking about here is the centerpiece of the entire biblical narrative being realized in the person of Jesus Christ.

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That's what we're talking about here.

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Well, think about when they killed him. What was their accusation against him right before they killed him? He said that he would destroy this temple and rebuild it in three days, which is not actually what he said. It's kind of interesting how they twisted it a little bit. What he says is whatever that happened.

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I mean, you do have to consider the shocking nature of what Jesus is doing here, because I would point you to at least Jesus and Stephen. We're both martyred for basically saying what Jesus is saying here. So that statement in John 2 comes up again at the end of Jesus' life. Now, they do take it out. They do change what he said because I want to point this out.

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He doesn't say that he will destroy the temple. He never says that. What he says is Jesus answered them, destroy this temple. So he said, you guys can destroy this temple forever. And in three days, I'll raise it up.

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So if you notice what Jesus is doing here, the posture, the position he's taken when it comes to the temple is you can tear this one down and that's fine because I'm going to rebuild it in three days. They did not understand what he was talking about, which is why they said it's taken us 46 years to build this temple. That's more talking about what Al mentioned earlier.

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The temple had already been built, but what they're talking about there is the expansion, the Herodian expansion.

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Are you from the Old Testament? Yeah.

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Well, in Mark 13's account of it, they actually say, look at these wonderful stones. Yeah. Are these wonderful buildings.

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Yeah, we're not saying that the second coming of Christ has already happened.

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I'd like to share two things that support your point. One is in the Mark 13 account when they asked the question in verse 3, as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple. So he's clearly at the temple here. Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, tell us when these things will be. And what will be the sign when all these things are to be accomplished?

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And that's what they're talking about because he just said all the temples coming down, all these stones are going to be turned over. He just said that. And they're like, okay, well, when's that going to happen? That was their question. When's it going to happen? He skipped down to verse 29 and he gives the answer to that.

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He says, so also when you see these things taking place, you note at the end that You know that he is near and at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, and this is the line, this generation will not pass until all these things have taken place. So in Jewish culture and in biblical literacy, a generation was understood to be about 40 years old. Jesus said this 40 years before it actually happened.

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But Matthew 24 is a little different. Well, hold on.

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It's a good word is vindication. And I think that's the Son of Man reference there.

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I like validation, but I like vindication better because I like both. It's a stronger term of what's happening, particularly when you read about the Son of Man coming in the clouds. To your point... We misinterpret that because we just go back and read Daniel 7, which is what it's a reference of.

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And the picture in Daniel 7, the direction of the Son of Man in Daniel 7 is not the Son of Man coming to earth. It's not the second coming. It's the Son of Man going before the Ancient of Days to receive authority to rule over the nations. He's receiving, it's the kingdom coming.

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So the language in Daniel 7 is not the language of, I think it's very clear, it's not the language of the end times, which is the language of Christ coming before the Ancient of Days and receiving authority and dominion and an everlasting kingdom. That's why we say the kingdom is here and now. and to come, but it is here now.

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And so when you look at the language, and I use Mark 13 only because I think Matthew 24, there are some end times prophecies in Matthew 24. I don't think there's any end times stuff in Mark 13. So it makes it cleaner for the discussion. But when he says that, but basically the end is near, he says that several times in Mark's account, Mark 13, the word end,

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If he was talking about the end times, he would have used a Greek term called eschatos, which is what we get our word eschatology from. That's not the word he uses. The word that he uses is the word telos, which is what we get the word teleology from, which means intent, purpose, design. What's the end goal here? If you ask him, what's the end here? What are you after?

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So what's happening in Mark 13 is he's saying, like, there's an inauguration coming. There's something, I got something I'm trying to do here, and I'm going to do it. This is Jesus talking. It's really what he laid out in John 2, that you're going to destroy the temple, you humans, and here's what's going to happen.

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Here's the purpose of the whole thing that you guys have missed it from the very beginning. Here's the purpose of the whole thing. I am going to live with humans. No, I'm going to live in humans. I'm going to be the cornerstone of the temple, and all of the believers, you guys will be the living stones built upon me, the cornerstone. That's the intention. That's the design.

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If you're going on a bunny trail, you're frolicking, and we're not frolicking. I mean, is that a chocolate bunny or an actual fluffy bunny?

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There was cross-pollination. We were at the same event, one of the events, but we were just there for that one thing. And they were there for, I think, another thing that coincided, so they doubled up.

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But I'm back now, and back in North Carolina. We got the fort all set up. We're ready to roll. That's good. Good to be back. Good to be back, Jace. Thank you for waving at me as you're driving over, too, or flying over.

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These stories of the martyrs, we need to know them. We need to hear them. They need to sink into our soul because the church is being persecuted.

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Yeah. So I might actually listen to that one.

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And Satan's always going to be in the details of things. I mean, that's his number one thing is his scare tactics for us. Right. And to make us fear and to doubt. Because, you know, even with this latest surgery I had, They do my blood work, and they're like, oh, well, your red blood cells are low. So then you're thinking, well, what else have I got wrong with me if my red blood cells are low?

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Yeah, until it came back up. But in that, just like the evil one to put that doubt in there, you're already worried about a surgery. And then he he comes through and says, oh, and by the way, here, let me let me fluctuate these numbers a little bit. You know, it's just but that's the way he works.

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but they didn't they they called me what do y'all think any thoughts i mean we've heard a lot of those things over the years you know um bigfoot allegedly is mimic sounds a lot of times sounds like screams women screams could be a cat or a cryptid some kind of weird creature um but yeah it's hard to say because there's so many strange noises but there is these like like

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incredible screams that people will send us. It sounds like something huge is screaming like a woman out in the middle of nowhere, and it just is so loud, and the vibration is so deep. It's not like a smaller animal. It's something big.

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Well, I mean, you would be surprised at how many times you bring on somebody to talk about something else and they have a story like this. And they have a crazy story. doctors, military, all these people. They'll be on to tell a story about something specific and then we'll open it up with like, hey, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? And they have a Bigfoot experience.

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I mean, all kinds of people have one. And so when you give people permission to actually talk about the paranormal and the experiences they've had and there's no, there's no judgment, there's no reservation.

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People will tell you things they've experienced and I think around the world people have no problem doing that but here in the West a lot of people do not want to talk about their weird experiences because either they haven't thought about it and how it relates to their faith or they just think people are gonna think they're nuts and so they don't talk about it.

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You know, we kind of started this podcast trying to marry the paranormal. You know, there's a lot of paranormal stuff, podcasts, talk about UFOs, aliens, Bigfoot, all that stuff.

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But on our show we want them to talk about it so it's like we're trying to get more of that out of that person. It's not uncommon to have something like that. I think that's pretty tame compared to the stuff we hear, which is banana stuff. People being abducted by UFOs is probably the weirdest stuff that we, we talk to those people.

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And that's really hard to, in the moment, make room for what the story is being told to you. So you kind of have to expand your paradigm in the interview of like, okay, if this is happening, let's just continue to ask questions and this person's terrified or they have some kind of trauma related to this experience. And so you can't just be like,

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cracking jokes and making fun of it's it's hard for them to express what they're what they've experienced we just make fun of each other in the middle of that stuff okay that's the only way to really do it but it's heavy you know it's it's something we set out to try to to try to investigate that stuff and then we got thrown into the deep end of of people who needed up like a safe place to express their experiences and so it got heavy quick

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And we were like, what is going on here? There's not a lot of avenues for people to express.

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Well, I don't know. After this episode, maybe not conspiracies, but maybe truths, you know. Exactly. That's what we... And then there was this whole other world of, you know, this theological thread where a lot of guys that...

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there wasn't really a marriage of the two, where, you know, there's strange stuff in our Bible, there's strange stuff that people experience, everything, you know, under the sun, and there was just a lot of people who were willing to talk about it on either sides, but no one was really kind of put those things together. We did, and... Really?

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That would be the offspring, you know.

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Well, the problem is some of these words are different, obviously, like mighty men, mighty warrior, men of renown. That's true. Depending on what translation you're reading, it can really change a lot of the interpretation. And so when we talk about the Nephilim, we've looked at it kind of like data scientists. We've looked at that topic every way we can.

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So if there's any proof or any story about the giants, where they were, what they were doing, we've talked about it on the show, everything from language to we've had military guys who've been in Afghanistan with thermals and still see these things today. And so we've explored that topic in depth, and there are a lot of Christians who just don't understand.

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Like Heiser would say, there's three main reasons why why everything is so corrupt in the Old Testament. And most Christians only know one. We only know the Garden of Eden story. We don't understand the Tower of Babel, and we don't understand Genesis 6.

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We don't understand that creation was corrupted, and then they were trying to build this ziggurat, this pyramid, this portal, this gateway to heaven and have a war. And so you have these three major problems in the Old Testament, and Jesus comes and puts all three back together.

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Yeah, the cedars of Lebanon, which is like 40 feet. From Tennessee, it's Lebanon.

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Maybe there's one. Well I think this, I mean we just learned as a country, I think this last election was that. I think every, you had every single narrative saying this is impossible, this person is this, and everyone did the opposite. Well that's true. And I feel like, you know, people can't deny their own experiences.

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And when they look someone in the eye and they tell them their story and you don't, and you get no warning this person's making this up or lying, you have to make room for those things. And I mean, our faith is really based a lot on eyewitness, right? Those who saw Christ ascend and those who saw him crucified, I mean, they wrote the stories down and we didn't see that personally, but...

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our faith is based a lot on eyewitnesses and so when you have all these credible people constantly telling you the same exact story you have to make either they're nuts or they're telling me the truth and what are the chances of thousands of people all describing the same exact creature just happen to be lying about it and at this point in history when you know bigfoot sightings have been going on since the 60s and that's when they filmed that famous one um

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It doesn't really move the meter in terms of popularity if you come out and say, I saw a Bigfoot. It's like, yeah, okay, cool, whatever. But they're adamant about it. And they'll go to their grave saying they saw this thing. And it does, like you were saying with your friend, the Navy SEAL, is that when you have a supernatural experience, you start to realize life is serious. Oh, right.

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This is serious. We are in a paranormal story. We are in a strange story. This is a creation. We're here to do something. We're here to learn something. We're in the middle of a battle between heaven and hell. We're not the main character. We're here. And we don't often know what are we doing? And then you start to...

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you have these experiences and you're like, okay, there is evil and it's trying to kill me and I gotta do something about it. And I think those paranormal experiences, we've gotten dozens and dozens, hundreds of emails from people like, I've been in church my whole life and now I finally understand how serious this is.

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And it's like, I think talking about the weird and the strange and the supernatural really wakes people up and they have just a conversion right there on the spot.

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Yeah, for people who don't know, it's like a court scene in heaven and there are characters and God's there and you kind of have to expand your understanding of okay, there's other players in this story, but it's hard to know what Durante 32 and Simon.

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Yeah, these are technically hybrids, right? They're kind of half human. And then even Genesis 6 says the men of renown. I think this is where Greek mythology gets all,

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Goliath and his mercenary brothers.

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And there's evidence of those things all over the world because there's proof that they weren't all exterminated because they were building the same structures all over the world. There's pyramids and things like that built everywhere. And you have evidence that they were doing something in their ancient religions and they were practicing them.

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And how did all these different nations have sort of the same sort of corrupt religions without knowing each other? I think they all started from the Holy Land.

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But that's what I think the podcast does is so we spend a lot of time trying to prove that the Bible is true. It's a very quick glimpse into this story. And you would think that if we were writing about something today that we all knew about—

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whether it's an iphone or a text message and we're writing scripture we're not going to spend you know 2 000 years we're not thinking someone's going to read what's a text message and you know and they just drop these terms like nephilim and they keep going because everyone knows what that is and so you have a lot of skeptical people who read their bibles and they go oh that's just talking about another race of humans the sons of seth and they come up with all these wacky theories to just explain away this supernatural aspect of the sons of god to marry the daughters of men it's two distinct different characters

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And so what we'll do is like, we took people to Peru. We looked at the ancient walls in Peru, the elongated skulls. I mean, they still have physical evidence to suggest that there was a different race of humanoid on planet earth. And in places like Peru, where it's not controlled by academia, you can actually still see these big skulls and the weird genetic anomalies that they have.

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They're not human. And people are like, oh, that's crazy. You're wild, but what Luke and I feel is that you have these huge shows like Ancient Aliens, and you got Rogan talking about the Anunnaki on his show, and people know that history has been sanitized. And so they're coming up with wild, weird, ancient alien theories, and they're not plugging in the biblical part.

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So they're being led from the faith because the church won't talk about it. So we're like, and let's go right into it. Let's talk about it.

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And what is Jesus doing there? And what is a demon? What is a demon? Where did it come from?

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And you guys are movie makers, storytellers, and you're trying to tell this whole story of, you understand that when you plug in the characters of any film, any story, you go back to the beginning. It's like why Star Wars was never really over.

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It started somewhere and then we kind of hop into this story that's been going on for a while and I think a lot of times a church kind of sticks around the crucifixion and they kind of just stay there forever and they never go all the way back. Why did the world get flooded again?

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Then you get to your 20s, and you start asking harder questions to your pastor or your dad or whatever, and you're like, I don't want to be a Christian anymore because I don't understand why a loving God would flood the world. But when you go back, you're like, let's go to the beginning of the movie. Let's go back to the beginning.

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So we watch 15 minutes in there somewhere, and we come up with wild conclusions, and then I think it does a disservice to our faith in the long run.

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And he's doing so many things we don't know what he's doing. We don't understand what he's doing. And I think it's like a 4D war that he's playing. And we see the 3D. We see what's going on. We see our sin, and we see the things that we do wrong. We don't understand what else he's doing in that fourth dimension, that spiritual realm of there was...

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there were laws that were broken and there were curses that were put on humanity and he's undoing those and we're just thinking oh we're the center of this story look at us and we have no humility when we read it no that's that's good that's so good well man that went fast yeah sorry out of time this was way better than i was anticipating all right i'll drop i know it was a low bar j so i

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Yeah, it was. We're getting the weirdest stuff sent to us. The last thing I'll say is like every day people are sending us the most bizarre things. And I wonder if it's related to when Jesus talks about the days of Noah in the New Testament, like signs and wonders from heaven and weird monsters and things. So check out that verse. I don't know.

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Yeah, but it's a pretty old phenomenon. People have been seeing these creatures for decades. People have been seeing UFOs for a long time, and I think as Christians, there's not a lot of spaces to talk about these things, so we provided a space, and we didn't think it was gonna be what it's become, but it kind of blew up, and I think it's kind of weird.

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Just all the people who've had experience and are into the weird things.

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Well, Mike Heiser, he said that the average seminarian graduate only gets two classes on angels and demons. Wow. Class is. Not like a full, just like almost like a lecture. Two lectures.

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Not two courses. Yeah, two lectures.

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Well, the podcast is a great format to do that, right? Because it's just two people asking questions and bringing on experts. And there's really not like a committee or, you know, anyone's going to shut you down. You'll have a board. It's a bunch of elders saying.

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Mostly Nashville adjacent. Well, we're from California, but we ended up in Tennessee somehow.

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Yeah, I mean, we brought exorcists on our show and talked to them about kind of what they go through and what their experience is. And, you know, there's a little difference between deliverance and exorcists and kind of how they go about things. But it seems like there's an uptick in that.

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We got there when it was a little sleepy town, and now it's a busy. It's kind of like the Las Vegas of the South.

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Woke. That'd be okay. Waiting on Corey.

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He said, I tell you, the winds are blowing. It's going to be a rip snore.

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Well, I was still under investigation.

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Oh, well. That is true. Is that true, Willie? Is that true?

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We're going with it. You're proving my point.

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Ep 1061 | Jase Dismantles Major Misconceptions About Baptism — What It Is & What It Definitely Isn't

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Well, I think 1 Corinthians 12 comes to mind, especially where we're at. I mean, Jesus had just introduced this concept of being born of the Spirit. Yeah. And, you know, when Paul's talking to a church who obviously were having a lot of problems, he had to remind them of the gospel in chapter 15.

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Yeah. Missy and I. And notice I said Missy and I. Except for Chosen.

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And they had a lot of similar issues that he addresses in chapter 1 that we're going to read in this section on is there some... thing about who does the baptizing and how many people are following you because you baptize people.

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But I want to read this 1 Corinthians 12 because I think it kind of clears up what we're talking about. He said in verse 12, 12, 12, the body is made, is a unit, though it is made up of many parts, and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. We were all baptized by one spirit into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free.

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We were all given the one spirit to drink, think living water. Now, the body is not made up of one part, but of many. If the foot should say, because I'm not a hand, I do not belong to the body, it would not, for that reason, cease to be a part of the body. Because here we go. We're all in a body, but you're like, well, you're a hand while I'm a foot. We got different roles.

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And if the ear should say, because I'm not an eye, I do not belong to the body, it would not, for that reason, cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, I mean, Paul is getting funny here. Just imagine the body is just a- One giant eye. Yeah, it's humor. It's funny. Where would the sense of hearing be? Yeah. Like, I see you. Can you hear me? No, I don't have an ear.

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Which, by the way, I am fixing to go to the season five. Premier. Ah. Front row seat. They asked me, because I went to season four. Right. That was in LA. Season five is not. Where is it? Nashville? It's in Texas. Oh, Texas. Can't remember the name, where it's at. So we're doing that tomorrow. Well, that's exciting. We're driving over. Yeah. But it's like when you said they had...

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It's worse. It says if the whole body were an ear. So now, I mean, you're visualizing this. If we were just all giant ears. Where would the sense of smell be? Well, because you're just a big ear, wax-filled, hairy ear. But here's the point, verse 18. But in fact, God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.

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If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts but one body. I mean, there's something special, beautiful, thought-provoking about that paragraph. We're all uniquely created by God. And then we're all... recreated in Jesus with our unique qualities and experiences.

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Well, you want to just read chapter 4-1 now?

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Because it is, you immediately get, I remember the first time I ever read that, I didn't know Jesus baptized people. But then when he gets to chapter 4-1, The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John, which goes into, I think you called it dueling dunkers? Yeah, the dueling dunkers. That's pretty clever, Al.

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The women, you know, it's like my wife, I think year one marriage, I referred to her as the wife. She's like, I have a name. It is Mrs. Look, I never forgot that. 30 some odd years later. Let's lose the the and the wife generic term. Well, dad's was always your woman.

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Although in fact, this is 4-2, it was not Jesus who baptized Delph.

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Yeah, I think what was happening in the baptism was more important than who was doing the baptizing. Exactly, which is still the point. For people who become famous for following Jesus, this is an issue. I get that issue often. come up in my life a lot. Yeah. Because people come up and say, will you baptize me? Well, I'm like, why?

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And they're like, well, you know, you've always, they'll give a little speech that is nice. Towards me. And appreciated. Yeah, and I appreciate it. But I'm like, you've missed the point. It has nothing. It's not me. I know you think this is going to make a cool little Instagram picture, which in some cases, that was what the focus was. So now I do not go out and say, oh, I'll baptize anybody.

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I'm going to have a 40-minute discussion to you about Jesus. Right. Because you're missing the point, which, I mean, look, maybe I'm reading too much into that, but... No, I mean, it happened the first century.

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Well, get controversial, because I have an answer. I think I know what you're fixing to say, and then I'm going to give a response to what I think you're fixing to say. So I'm turned here.

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Well, Zach gets nervous when you talk about baptism, but he gets nervous a lot, because it sure is in the Bible a lot.

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Well, obviously, that's right. I knew that's where you were going to go. And I think it's a good point. So I think you have to think about something here. John the Baptist, why was he baptizing people? Repentance. Well, there was more to it than that. It says something else every time. Preparing the way for the kingdom. Oh, man, this is startling. John's baptism was repentant.

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John baptized telling them to believe in the one who was to come. He was a... Forerunner. Or forerunner to Jesus. Right.

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I get it. There was repentance involved. But the whole point was Jesus. This is all a person. The Bible, baptism, the Old Testament. I mean, when you just go through the Old Testament, it's the same pattern. People are created... They have life, and then they fall. There's folly. There's sin. There's suffering. From consequences of people's sin and spiritual forces of evil.

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And then you have this process where they start over. It's like a new creation. I mean, think the flood. I mean... What happened? Everybody was just completely abandoned. And God finds one family. The earth goes from the waters being parted where people could live to a flood. And I'm using this because of 1 Peter 3, obviously. And what happened? It's a new beginning, new creation.

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You're like, oh, we fixed that. No, then we have more problems pretty quickly. So here comes Abraham. It's the same process over and over. That's why I heard somebody say that the only three people in the Old Testament that were deemed blameless and upright was Job, Noah, and Abraham. But when you think about what Jesus did and you think about their stories,

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they were like shadows of what Jesus would ultimately do, which was bring new creation. Because in all of those stories, new creation eventually, a new beginning eventually came. So Jesus did the same thing. So my only point is, John the Baptist pointed to Jesus. That's why I think it would be awkward

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for Jesus to be baptizing people personally, saying, well, I'm going to baptize you in the one that is to come when he's actually here. Right. So his disciples did that, because you've got to remember, he hasn't revealed. Well, he's revealing. That the king is here.

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No, I agree, but I think the reason baptism is so misunderstood in the religious world is because they define it. Yeah. And then they go back to the Bible and just read it through that lens. Right. I mean, look, whatever you think about baptism, there's a whole discussion here. They are literally baptizing people. That's right. Followers of Jesus and John the Baptist right here, right now.

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I mean, they were taking people under the water and doing that. You're like, well, that wasn't important. I mean... What was it in here for?

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Yeah, when Acts 2, I just read in 1 Corinthians 12, it said we've all been given the Spirit to drink. Well, when was that poured out? And I've read this numerous times on the podcast, but in Peter's sermon, He said, Jesus went to the right hand of God and has poured out what you now see and hear. And that was a prophecy from Joel.

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Well, the speaking in tongues was a sign that the Spirit had been poured out. I mean, it was a confirmation. Read Hebrews 2, 1 through 4. That it confirmed. So just like, because when it said the Spirit is given without limit, I looked up that phrase because I thought, what does that mean? It's like, is that just without limit? But it seems to be without partiality or... It's for everybody.

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I actually thought that. I thought, I don't think he accentuated that word. You don't think Jesus did? No, I don't think he did. But you did. You said, woman. And I was thinking... Well, that's my inner dad.

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It's available for everybody. I mean, go read the Greek. That was my conclusion after going down the Greek rabbit hole with that. But what I wanted to say was John also was baptizing at Annan near Salem because there was plenty of water. Because some people say, well, this one had nothing to do with water, which I think is strange. I mean, he's talking about places on a map where there's rivers.

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So, and people are constantly coming to be baptized. This was before John was put in prison. An argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew, or... Certain Jews. Yeah, or certain Jews, over the matter of ceremonial washing, which I think is interesting.

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because that argument is still alive and well today in a totally different context, because now the Holy Spirit has been poured out, and people are being baptized, and then it's how they define baptism, which is a lot of arguments, because people say, well, you're saying that you're You're washing yourself, you know? Of course, we go to 1 Peter 3. It kind of explains that.

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But still, it's like as evangelical followers of Jesus, we can't agree on exactly what that means.

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I've got to go back to Zach's quote, which I think is a good one. I think baptism is a death, thus nullifying any kind of self-righteousness that you would put on the act, the actual ceremony. If it's a death, you're declaring, I'm into Jesus' death. I'm into his burial. I'm dying. He's my Lord. That's the way I view it. But to prove my point, when you go to 1 Corinthians 1,

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It is strange that they referred to her just as the Samaritan woman.

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Isn't it funny how now we're post-spirit being poured out. Jesus has died, been buried, and raised. The first thing he brings up, controversial issue in Corinth, was these dueling dunkers. And I wanted to read this. Now, it's a totally different context now, but same problem. Where's that at, Al? 1 Corinthians 1. In verse 12. He said, you have a lot of quarrels among you. So what I mean is this.

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One of you says, I follow Paul. Another, Paulus. Another, Cephas. Still another, Christ. Well, we all know there's one group in these four that is right. That's right. Christ is all. That's why I brought up the point about John the Baptist. The purpose of his baptism was to get people to look. The Messiah is at hand here. He's coming.

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Your repentance is only meaningful because you're wanting to follow the Son of God. So then he says, is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? All these things are no. And then he's like, I'm thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.

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And then he's like, oh, wait, yes, I also baptized the house of Stephanas. Beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.

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It was not important who was doing the baptism. I don't even remember. And if you tried to tell me, say, make a list of people you baptized, I'll give you four or five probably. I don't remember, nor do I care. It really is. It's all about Christ. That's why we're different from, I think, a lot of groups where we'll share Jesus with people, and we'll baptize them wherever, whenever.

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I mean, I think that got started because we lived out in the middle of nowhere, and we're surrounded by water, literally my dad's house where we were raised. is surrounded by water. There's one little trail to go in. That's why it floods all the time.

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You're like, oh, this person wants to be baptized. We're like... What, are we going to drive to town or we want to walk 20 yards? So I think it's fascinating. But then he says, I love this verse. And I usually, when people come to me and ask me if I baptize them, I say 1 Corinthians 1.17. They're like, it doesn't ring a bell. For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel.

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Well, what is the gospel? The story of Jesus. The good news of Jesus. Yeah. Not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied by its power. And so I think that was a thing. Even when you get to one of the most controversial, not controversial, one of the most, what is the word for 1 Corinthians 15 and 29? I guarantee you've never heard this discussed on a podcast before.

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Because he brings up, in the context reminding them of the gospel and the resurrection, he brings up this point. Now, if there's no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? Have you ever heard anybody tell you what that means? Nope. Zach? Nope. But if you just think about it, the reason I purposefully did this

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Because if you look at where this book started, this letter, they were putting a lot of emphasis on who was doing the baptism and this ceremony itself to kind of take off John 3. And this, the only explanation I've ever heard that I think makes a little sense is when Paul reminded them of the gospel.

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You remember in 15, one through four, that he died according to the scripture, he's buried and he's raised. Then he appeared, he was raised and he appeared to all these people, Peter, then to the 12, After that, he appeared to more than 500 of the brothers at the same time. Most of them are still living.

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So the only reasonable explanation I heard of this is because when you look at the Greek word where it says baptized for the dead, he took that word for, looked at the Greek meanings, and there was like four different Greek meanings in their culture for that word. Well, one of them was in honor of. And he thought, you know, if you look at that, it makes a little more sense.

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the samaritan woman yeah in that region for jesus right right right well a lot of people believe that she was the catalyst for the kingdom emerging in that whole entire area yeah well because later on i think is it acts eight yeah philip philip goes there yeah all right well and all of a sudden people are coming out of the woodwork to come to jesus well the foundation had already been laid

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I'm not saying this is what, because he wasn't for sure either. He was a Hebrew scholar. But I do think that was interesting. That would make sense because if you're, as a human, putting emphasis on who's doing the baptizing, which we obviously have the story in John 3, they're like, oh, looky here. They're baptizing more people than you. That's our human.

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We want to interject ourselves into being baptized. the more noble uses of God. Like, look at me. I baptized 14 people yesterday. Are you celebrating their experience with Jesus? Are you celebrating the fact that you baptized 14 people?

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But that's not what he was saying. I think they were having ceremonies. I mean, that's my opinion. I could be wrong. We don't know. They were being baptized in honor of people who had shared Jesus with them or people who were dead. And that was the thing, which it sounds like a great idea.

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Well, there's a couple of different religious groups who have more followers than anybody else. That's what they do this for, and that's where they get it. That's why I wanted to bring it up. I was simply making the point. It's very clear that who is doing the baptizing is... It's a battleground for people's pride because somehow or another they think that that's meaningful.

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And this has nothing to do with you. This is a completely – that's why I said it's a death. It's a surrender. Right.

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Hey, this just in, Al. God had a plan. He did have a plan.

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You know what comes forward out of this? that there's always a temptation for human beings, even in the religious world, to want to take the credit or the glory for their particular platform, ministry, whatever. And you see its roots right here before Jesus has even died. They're arguing about, well, wait a minute now. Are you saying through this ceremony that they're now... Okay? Yeah. You know?

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I mean, you don't know what the details of the argument over the ceremony of washing, or you're saying, well, look, Jesus, what are you going to do about this? Or, I mean, John, what are you going to do about this? They're baptizing more than you. I thought you were the guy. He's like, well, no, I wasn't the guy. I said to believe in the guy. And now he's fixing to say, hey, that is the guy.

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I've been on that kick about everything now because it's like the common sense world now, which we've talked about. But it's like things that were common sense when we were kids all of a sudden are common sense again. Yeah, it's like we're back. You're a man. I'm a woman. Okay. Great. Seems simple. Yeah.

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I do think there's something about, you know, I mean, sharing conversion stories because there is excitement and passion about that. But I'm not big on numbers. I realize that there's a book in the Bible called Numbers, you know. But people are scrambling. They're like, you know, 17 people raised their hand, you know, and it's in the newsletter.

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And our target's, you know, 10,000 by 100 days or whatever. We're so obsessed. And it's almost coming from the wrong place, you know.

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Bringing up a whole nother can of worms, because it's like we get that witness from God. People who were eyewitnesses, when they were witnessing, they were like, hey, I saw him come up from the dead. They're like, well, give your witness. Well, I didn't witness anything, but I read this book, and I guess that qualifies me because I believe the eyewitnesses who saw him. I don't mind the word.

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Yeah, I thought about that. I thought, you know, because that was a good moment. You know, everybody's America, you know. Oh, it's exciting, yeah. But I just thought all these commentators getting so just – lit up about it, I thought, well, you have no idea as a spirit-indwelled person, traveling through space is like way down the list on cool things that we're going to get to be doing.

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Bumper sticker. Oh, man. There's a lot of bumper sticker statements he makes. He makes another one in verse 10. He must become greater. I must become less. And I think the final one you already mentioned where he says he gives the Spirit without partiality or without limit.

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Yeah, which I think what John the Baptist did greater than anything was he didn't add drama to this argument. No. He immediately said, no, listen to my role in this. So he says that. He can only receive what is from heaven. Then he says, you yourselves, this is verse 28, can testify that I said I am not the Christ. but am sent ahead of him. The bride belongs to the bridegroom.

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The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice, which I love this picture of where he goes to the wedding, which now was where Jesus did his first sign. We would eventually become the bride of Christ. He's the head of the church. I mean, that's the narrative he goes down to.

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I mean, he set everything up for what was going to happen. And that's why he led to say, and his joy is now complete. He's like, I am completely just, this is my joy. This is what I was here for. He must become greater. I must become less. So that ended the argument. That's another bumper sticker. Which ends most arguments. When someone becomes less...

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So then he says, the one who comes from above is above all. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks as one from the earth. Now look, for years I thought this was talking about John the Baptist and Jesus, but the more I studied, and I forgot where I read one of these scholars, made a point here that John the Baptist was technically from heaven also.

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Remember the argument where when Jesus, that he was asked, where did you get this authority? And then he said, well, I got a question. John's baptism, was it from heaven or from men is what he says there. And they're like, Well, we don't know because if we say it's from heaven... We're arguing with God. Why wouldn't we do this?

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And if we say it's from men, well, all these people think John the Baptist is from heaven. So they say, we don't know. But Jesus doesn't answer the question. He says, well, then I'm not going to tell you when I get my authority. But I think this may be a reference to either the evil one or...

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I mean, we're in touch with the one who holds the atoms and molecules together. We're not going to need rocket ships when we leave here. Or, yeah, just in general. I mean, we're turning that on its head. Yeah. I mean, how many galaxies are there out there if you want to go? Oh, my goodness.

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Because earthly is always deemed—I read that last podcast about wisdom from the earth is unspiritual of the devil. We get the concept worldly from that, a worldly mindset versus a godly mindset. So I remember N.T. Wright says this is kind of a synopsis of where we're at in the story, where it's like John— is saying this, because then he goes on to say, the one who comes from heaven is above all.

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He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. There's another bumper sticker. For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit. The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands, which is an awesome statement.

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Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son... will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him. All right. So we're out of time. Well, we can pick that up, because I do think we need to discuss that, because this comes the words of life, the words of death, which I think is the point. Think about what's earthly. You're going to die. You're going to die here. But...

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If you have the Spirit, if you're born of the Spirit, well, now you have something that's from heaven, which is going to be poured out in Acts 2. Well, guess what? Since it came from heaven, you're no longer bound to death.

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Yeah, that means they all got something they wanted to do. The guys. So the guys are not on it.

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Well, for 60s television, that was the way it worked. I think one of the last movies I saw, which I left halfway through it, was I think it was Tommy Lee Jones and maybe Brad Pitt. They went to space looking for God. That's what it's about. And they pretty much got up there and said, he's not here.

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that was the movie which once again I have no recollection of it so I must not have done well because I don't even know a couple years ago and that's two very good actors I think I brought it up on a former podcast whatever you do don't go see that oh man that's funny

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Well, I personally think, maybe in contrast to Zach, since we had this discussion about what it means to be born again via Jesus to Nicodemus, and he talked about being born of water and the Spirit. Well, right before this, I mean, you're just going back to chapter one about when John the Baptist declared Jesus the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

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And he kind of gives that recap of Jesus' baptism. But then all of a sudden, you know, like we do, It becomes, I think, part of this narrative, what we're fixed to read. I think one thing that stands out is John the Baptist was a pretty humble guy. He had a role to play. But if you put yourself in his shoes, it's always a temptation to be like, yeah, I'm the guy.

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I'm the guy that points to the guy. But even then, there's a sense of pride in all of us You think that's a big deal, but you'll see in this conversation, he didn't have that pride about him. Right.

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I think C.S. Lewis, Zach, you're more familiar with his writings than me, and you have a better memory. But didn't he say that part of the struggle when it comes to roles in God's kingdom and Christianity is, Is those who have what we would deem big positions, they have to struggle with pride. And those who have what we deem as not very... Lesser positions.

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Yeah, lesser positions, they have to struggle with shame, overcoming shame. There was a quote he said about that.

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Well, it's like... The evil temptation is always there. There's a lot of ways.

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Just worldly whatever filled with shame, multiple relationships. I mean, because most people would say, what? She needs a counselor, which is what the Holy Spirit is referred to. Exactly. The paracletus sum there. I mean, we're going to clean this life up? Yeah. And then you have a religious guy who's secretly coming, because it's a pride thing. Right. Yeah, that's why I brought it up.

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Well, explain that to us because I was using that because I did a C.S. Lewis quote, Zach, showing the opposite ends of the spectrum.

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I don't think I should be viewed as some kind of cultural... Guru. I'm not sure what's happening. Pop culture reference.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I was leaving yesterday, coming to our one of many trips here to do the podcast check, which feels like we've been doing the podcast for like a week.

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Well, that's right. And that will bring some validity to it because we know how Jill is.

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All right, so we're ready to get back to John. Man, we went around the world there, literally.

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He did. Well, we just went to.

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For some reason, we were talking about that. It took me back to our driver. I don't know if you remember this guy. Because we had different scenes we were doing when we were in Scotland. But our driver of our little bus that took us places, I bet you remember him because I was in the scenes you were in. Remember that guy, that old gruff guy? He was hilarious. Everybody is gruff in Scotland.

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That's true. That's true. And so he's telling us all about the current political landscape of Scotland and England. And so I was intrigued. And so he's telling us all these things in this thick Scottish brogue. And I said, well, I get the impression from listening to you, I don't remember his name, I said that you're not a big fan of England.

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He said, put a moat around it and then fill it full of water. Yeah.

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You know why? You were connecting to your Scottish roots.

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Yeah. And it's cold. It's about like it is here today there. Yeah, but it's like there every day. Every day, yeah. All right. So we're in John, I guess, two. Was there any more? Did you get any more visions in the five minutes between these two?

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Right, which is where we're headed next. And one thing I didn't mention, I think we mentioned two podcasts ago, is the name was called Bethel, which means house of God, where this ladder took place in the vision in Genesis 28. And then one of the things we mentioned right at the end of, I think, a couple of podcasts ago,

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Jacob, he was sleeping, his head while he was having this vision, sleeping, was on a stone. And he marked that stone and left it as like a, Anybody that passed by there, like this was something special happened here. So it was a stone, which we've talked about with Peter being a rock and the idea of Christ as the chief cornerstone.

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So there's a lot of imagery that goes along with this place, which is pretty powerful.

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Yeah. And Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.

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Yeah. Which he had done with Abraham as well. So it's all in there. Which is very powerful. I love that John includes that, that you get that little vision of that, which is pretty cool.

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She's great. And her husband, Luther, which is Corey's grandpa, uh, his past, you know, crossed over, I should say, uh, a few, several years ago, but he was also a fantastic man. So this is an amazing couple, but it made me think that you are a part of this, uh, pilgrimage to our, to our motherland. Cause you know, we all came from England. So we did. Yeah.

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And it took almost 50 years, which that's going to come up in this next chapter, for them to complete this thing. Because when he was talking about rebuilding in three days, they were like, what are you talking about? It's taken 46 years to get it the way it looks now.

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So, so what, what, what's going on there? What's, what's, can you tell us about what's happening? Cause now I'm intrigued.

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And you just think about it, Zach, all the imagery. Jay just read it quickly. But the whole book of Hebrews is about this imagery. And here was Moses on the top of this mountain. And once again, angels are back and forth and it wasn't the temple, but it was the law being given. Guess what?

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On stone tablets, but not to save us, but just to try to guide us into something that we would know is better. So just every time I look back and see these images in the old Testament, all of it is pointing towards Jesus.

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Within a vision. It was a rabbit hole vision.

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Which that's a direct quote from Daniel 7, by the way.

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He is your representative. No, he's not. Yes, he is. It's a six district. No, no, Zach. We now have been redrawn. I voted for Mike Johnson. Yeah, we got redrawn. Yes. We redrawn. You got to be on our side of Arkansas Road.

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And that's why, Zach, that the first recorded prophecy is Genesis 3.15, to your point, When God was talking to Satan and he said, you will strike his heel, but he will crush your head.

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Which, to your point you made in the last podcast, when he looked over at that thief... who looked at him and said, this is the guy. He said, today you'll be with me in paradise. There was no law in that moment. There was no other things. It was just a faithful heart that he looked at and said, now you get it. I mean, that's the beauty of that moment.

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But, you know, it's funny because you're exactly right. They missed it, but they shouldn't have because Isaiah 53 clearly lays out exactly what was going to happen to the Messiah. And that would be suffering.

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Which is funny because to your point you made earlier, Zach, we look at it now and we see ourselves. We look at America. We've been here now less than 300 years as an active nation. And we think, man, look at us. Look at all the things we're impacting, every election cycle. And y'all were just talking about going back to England. Well, we go back 1,000 years to England.

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Well, that's why I want to go treasure hunting.

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Well, the Romans were there. I mean, this goes back to the Roman Empire. We were there before the Brits were.

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So I stopped by to empty water out of my trash cans. I won't go into all the minutiae. But I was checking my mail, and my neighbor across the street from me is the delightful Mamaw Jo, who is Corey's grandmother. I want to say she's 93. She's in her early 90s. She just quit work when she was like 87. You talking about Mamaw Jo? Mamaw Jo. She's one of the greatest human beings I've ever met.

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That's true. And so just to give you just a tease, because we're out of time. So we're getting to John 2, which is going to be the first of kind of seven miraculous signs that take place in the book of John. This is the first one. And it seems accidental, but nothing is accidental with Jesus. So it's not. The first one's a wedding banquet. Exactly.

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So we're going to get into that, which is some really, really rich stuff. And by the way, it culminates, Jason, the last sign was raising Lazarus from the dead, which would be a preview from what was going to happen to him to be resurrected. So a lot of good stuff coming. We'll get Zach's report, hopefully, from London as well. Zach, safe travels.

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Yeah. We'll get the report, boys. I'll check in. All right. We'll do all that next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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In fact, there was a big thing just found there within the last... Now, you have to turn it in.

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Because a lot of it goes into museums and that kind of stuff.

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And they'll do it like across the internet or something?

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So if we're planning this, because we're workshopping now, so I need to be a part of this as well as that, because we're going to do the podcast from there. Let's do a podcast from there, right?

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So, Jace, I will mark this in the category of we'll know this is happening when Mike Johnson is actually on this podcast. Because if that doesn't happen, this is never going to happen.

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I mean, that's why I put him on this thing.

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We got money riding on that.

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Well, it seems interesting now. I watched it all the way through, but it's definitely better. It's definitely more interesting. And since we all know Mike Johnson personally, I've met him several times as well. He is a quality man. So you get in these political arguments. I get it. They're trying to get this done, blah, blah, blah, this bill passed.

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And so they paint each other as these negative things, but he is a quality human being believer in Jesus.

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So strong, but she's 93-something now, Jase, and she's backing out, and she's talking to me, and she's driving someplace, which right off the bat, I thought, this is what I, if I made it.

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read or wrote something. They did one of these proclamations or whatever. Yeah, so it was really nice. I didn't know Mike was part of that. That's awesome. He was. So is that it for London? So you were going separate of that. But are you going to go to Sadie's thing? Is that why you're there?

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Just remember, Zach, over there, they don't say Duck Dynasty. They say Duck Dynasty. Duck Dynasty. Dynasty. So you don't want to act like you don't know what you're talking about.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this. I didn't even feel weird about it. And the reason why is because cozy earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn.

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And I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night. And to get into my Cozy Earth pajamas.

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But then you were off to somewhere else.

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Well, yes. You were there, but you weren't really there.

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So I'm going to blow your mind even more. So we're out the battle. I was just, Malmo Joe, look at you. You're just out. It's raining. It's nasty. And she's smiling. And she's on her way to someplace. And she said, well, she said, I'm heading to London Saturday. And I was like, yeah, I heard about the trip. You're going?

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We were on our way down here to the Southern Lair this past week, and we stopped in New Orleans on our way back. Cause that's where Lisa had her surgery. And, uh, we did our six month oncology follow-up is what they call it.

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Well, when you think about it, Zach, what you just described, one seems so temporary. Because if you live the way that is described behind door number one in the first city James described, your time will be shorter because everything in that list shortens your life. I mean, whether it's the emotional part of that, that whole attitude thing, or just the sensual part, it has an effect on you.

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You talk about a four-day bender in Vegas, you just cut years off the other end. What you described in the beautiful Smoky Mountains is an idea of longevity. It's peace, which is the word that comes out when you get to verse 15. I mean, so the idea that the Bible tells us about temporary peace

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versus eternal is very descriptive in these two cities and the two ideas, even in what you would experience here while you're on earth.

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And the one word that won't come out of that lifestyle is peace. I can promise you that.

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I'm glad you brought up that about the Kings. Cause I was somebody that when Jason was mentioning that earlier, one of the things that people will look at and say, man, I wish I was powerful. then I would really know peace if I just had power. It's the people in power that seem to have everything going on for them. But the biggest fear for people in power is how do they stay in power?

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That's why there's very little peace among the powerful, because the whole thing is about losing that. And that was the Augustine quote you just mentioned, is this idea that somehow I have to hold on to it. I want to read this because I'd done a little bit of a sort of an arch to Jace's point about all the scripture. So this idea of peace comes up way back in Isaiah chapter nine and verse six.

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And we recognize this language is messianic. It says for to us, a child is born to us. A son is given and listen to this and the government will be on his shoulders. So you talk about power. He will be called wonderful counselor forever. Mighty God, everlasting father. And here's where the phrase first pops up. Prince of peace of the greatest of his government and peace. There will be no end.

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So this is the he's not trying to maintain power. He is power. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. And so I love it that this idea of Jesus bringing peace and bringing it together, whether it's Jew and Gentile, male or female,

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one race and another, whatever the two that's dividing, where there's no peace, where there's all this idea that we can't get along, that we can't do this. He is reigning. His government is an everlasting government that says there will always be peace. It's the exact opposite.

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Yeah, and the reason why people aren't addicted to fentanyl for very long, Zach, is is because fentanyl was invented to be an end of life drug to help cross people over to the other side. And now people are in their youth are becoming addicted to it. And guess what happens? It becomes an end of life drug for them as well, which is terrible.

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Exactly. And at 52. So let me read this. I want to say this, this idea of following the thread from Isaiah 9 that I read. Listen to what Jesus says when he gets here, because that was pointing to Jesus. Here's what he said in John 14, 25. All this I have spoken. while still with you.

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But the counselor, because this is how the peace got here for us, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, so now he's looking to the near future, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. And listen to what he says in verse 27. Peace I leave with you. My peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. There's that distinction.

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Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

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That's in John 14, 25 through 27. And it's interesting that he uses those same words. You want to know what the Prince of Peace looks like? That's what the Prince of Peace looks like. He gives us what we need. We don't have to go to drugs. We don't have to go to these vices you were talking about, Zach.

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When you have the Holy Spirit of God living in you, that brings about this peace that everyone desires. That shows you how you live. That gives you the desire to want to live in the city of God. And it changes everything for you.

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Well, you know what they always fall back on, which is kind of interesting being that our podcast is discussing about spiritual matters. They always just say, look, we can't do anything about an act of God. In other words, you know, whether you believe or not, when we can't pay, we're just going to give God all the credit.

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So, you know, they wanted to check you, uh, fairly regular when you've had, uh, when you've had cancer like that and, uh, just wanted to report all good, all clear after said, everything looks great. So again, thanks to unashamed nation for all the prayers. Lisa is doing amazing. it's, uh, it's been, uh, people ask me how she's doing all the time. I'll get notes from people, how's Lisa do it.

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I want to continue down my thread in Isaiah 9 to John 14 and read Romans 5 because here I think Paul shows you now once Jesus has left, and send his Holy Spirit, which by the way, if you want to see what that looks like, that kind of peace, look at Acts 2 and look at Acts 4. There's a Greek word called koinonia, which is a spirit among the spirit-filled people.

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And you'll see what it should look like. And to your point, Jase, it shouldn't be divisive. It should be very unifying. But here's what Paul said in Romans 5, and look at the word he uses again. Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, We have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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So that's the ultimate peace that we're talking about, having this idea of being one with Christ, fullness as you described, James. Verse two, through whom we have gained access. by faith into this grace in which we now stand and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

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Now that I can buy into. Let me give you this last thought that I had about this idea of peace. Because what does the result look like or what should it look like? And there were two other passages. One was in Philippians 4, which is a famous passage. But think about it. Dad calls it peace of mind, which he says is the rarest of all commodities. And he's right. But this is what it looks like.

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He says in Philippians 4, verse 6, do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your request to God. And here's what will happen. verse seven and the peace of God, which transcends all understanding. You can't really put your finger on it because it's bigger than you will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

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And then Paul says in Romans 12, 17 through 21, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. So what happens is when you have this peace of mind, the rarest of all commodities that can only come from being full in Christ, it therefore affects how you live towards other people. And that starts inside the body of believers, but it goes to everyone.

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He says, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. That means inside the body and outside the body. So it does change everything. at a fundamental level, who you are. And so I just, I love that, you know, Paul says in that one verse in Colossians, but would really, when you go back and look, this theme is throughout the entire scriptures about what peace looks like.

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Yeah. And look, we're not down, you know. on insurance. They do what they do and they don't cut a few weeks ago. Someone killed this guy. That was a, you'll see the sack. Was he in charge of the largest insurance?

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And so obviously there are people that go to those extremes, which are saying, don't, don't do that. Just, just argue your claim. And let's, let's don't try to take matters into our own hands.

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Since it was your brother-in-law who kind of was there during that name change and brand change, you may have had some influence. I'll give you credit for that.

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And, and the reason I will, I'll tell you exactly. Cause I'm one of the elders on our kind of our board of one kingdom. And when we, when Ben first approached us with this idea, he was a director at the time. It was, it was great because the idea was it expanded. the concepts of what we were doing, because we had WFR relief, which was kind of what Zach is doing there now in relief work.

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We had a relief organization that went around the world and provided hurricanes and famines and things like this. But then also there was a branch of it called World Radio, which has been basically putting the gospel out on radio through speakers around the world, over a hundred different speakers in a hundred different countries.

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And so the idea was, well, you take all that and you put it together because, you know, the world changes. Radio is still impactful, but now we have the internet. What are we going to do with that? And, you know, as you just talked about, Zach, relief work becomes much more integrated through churches, which is the best way to reach people.

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And I always say supernaturally well, because that's the only way I can figure that, uh, she's dealt with it as, as well. She has is that obviously, uh, God has blessed her with that. So anyway, I just want to let y'all know, uh, that the prayers were appreciated and it's all good.

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And I want to say this about the folks in North Carolina where Zach is, because as you know, I talked about on the podcast, I was literally there when it all happened. And one of the things I was impressed with right off the bat, literally the next day, there were people coming together to help their neighbors.

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I mean, I was at Ben and Melissa's house and there was a neighbor there with a skid loader getting trees off their driveway, you know, three hours after the thing had hit. And so the concept is we pull together. It's our job to help each other to sit around waiting on the government to is turned into a bad way to do business. Don't wait on the government. Jump in there and go.

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Roadkill. Some people eat roadkill.

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Well, I know. We were training the assessment of roadkill.

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And leave it for the buzzards. Well, you know, it's funny because it's so ingrained in us and we don't even realize that I was watching videos of dad doing duck and dressing because we talked about this back in Thanksgiving.

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And I love the way dad said, you know, when the duck is just right, when you reach in there and you pull on his leg just a little bit and it just begins to move off the rest of the bite. That's that's perfect. That's the way you want it right there. And I thought, who would have that becomes your professional chef description of when the duck just when it just pulls off the body.

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Exactly. That was a good description. Like only dad could give, which was pretty good.

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Because I still see follow-ups and reports and stuff.

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No? No, I think you're right. In fact, it's the old saying, I would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven. Yeah. You know, I mean, there's some truth to that.

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I thought it was funny that it wasn't funny. I laugh. It's the same reason why I used to laugh at Dad on the show, because he would say things and then just be deadpan, and that was funny, but it wasn't like what he's, yes.

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Well, we actually left off the last time we were in this text around verse 41. But if you want to restart in verse 25 so we can get that whole context, then we can pick it up from there. Because we got down to that point about where he quotes Isaiah 54 in verse 45.

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Yeah, that's right where we left off.

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Then he walks on the water. He did it, Jason, knowing, because remember he said he asked Philip about buying the bread. So he did it knowing what he was going to do here. I mean, it wasn't like it was just, hey, watch this. He had a point.

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Holy Spirit is where I go.

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Which you have been sealed, that's right.

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Yeah, I think that's it. By the way, it's the same word. that's used with a Roman seal that was put on the tomb. Exactly. So the idea here is it's marked. It's marked as something being official. And so that was the idea.

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But to Zach's point, they do get it after he leaves. They get it after he leaves. Which is when the Holy Spirit is poured out on them.

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By the way, before you, Jason, I know you're going to Isaiah 54 with Jesus quotes, but remember, you almost have to do it as a full subset. Isaiah 53 is the actual picture of the one and only son coming to earth. So if you're wondering whether this passage, these three chapters in Isaiah are Jesus, go back and read 53 as well just to set up what you're about to do.

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You know, even though he thought he could conquer the mud. It is funny how in the redneck mind that that takes place. Because I had a, you may have been there to watch it, Jace, but I had a moment like that. We were in the woods. I had taken my truck. We had driven down to where we launched the boat on our property. And I was trying to turn it around.

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I had my old, this is my very first truck I ever had, but it was an old truck. And it was Rick Fortenberry was riding with me and he's on the passenger side. But I was trying to turn it around in the woods, which is not always as easy as you think. And I got hung up on I got pinned down by a tree, a little small sapling right on the passenger door. And I could not get off of it.

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Well, 32 or 32. When he tells him, he brings up about the manna.

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And they're going to say that later in verse 42.

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And so instead of just like stopping and getting out and us figuring out a way to get it off that tree, I just went full redneck. I would just hook, put it in reverse and floor it and then go forward. What was happening was I was trying to get the power of the truck off the tree. And all I did was just cave in my passenger door.

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And there's a man sitting there, Rick, you know, our buddy, who then by the end of this episode, because I got off that tree. But it was like, oh, I'm getting off this tree. And everybody's laughing because I'm like destroying my truck. And then Rick winds up sitting next to me like we're on a prom date. Like when I when finally I get off that tree, I'm like in a like a haze.

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Like I have risen into this place in my mind, getting off that tree. And he's sitting right next to me looking at me like, are you insane? And at the moment, I was. I had lost all sanity. And so I had to go get old Toby, our mechanic, to beat it out with a sledgehammer where I tore my truck up. So I get it.

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We're going to have to lead with that on the next one. But we can frame this whole argument before we get there because what you're seeing is it's almost like these current Jews, these current Jews that Jesus is dealing with in the first century are doing the exact same thing that was done way back in the wilderness, right? I mean, first they grumbled, then they argued.

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then ultimately they don't really believe in God, in this case in Jesus, who he is, who he says he is. So he's giving you almost this replay of everything that's already played out that was really even way back then pointing towards who Jesus is. And now he's like, and I'm here now, and you still don't believe.

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Which is fascinating because every time you see these disciples, he's talking about this is that larger group. Because remember, there's now thousands of people that are following him around. And they would consider themselves to be disciples of Jesus, just like one time they were disciples of John the Baptist. But they really don't believe him.

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And that's why it boils back down to the 12 disciples. And one of the 12, Peter, steps up and articulates for the rest of them exactly what they do believe. And then he brings in the point about Judas, which is fascinating because we know even among the 12, there's one who doesn't believe as well. And ultimately, he's going to make a decision for that.

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So, I mean, that sort of frames the setup, I think, to when we go back to Isaiah, when he talks about what was taught. And we'll have to get into that on the next podcast.

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No, what she said was Jason, would this job be better than the last one you told? That's the way she framed it, which means the last one. That's what she said.

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We've said many times that we'll do two podcasts at a time because that's all that my brain will allow. Y'all want to do more, but I have a smaller brain, even though it hasn't been scanned. But I could not find my earphones. But I didn't move anything. during the transition, y'all had to get up and do a potty break. Where are my earphones?

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Yeah, it's just like a- Doing, like exploring this, like space travelers with all gaseous mist somehow.

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Yeah, and a harp. And even the people that like, well, we're just gonna worship for millions of years. I mean, look, I'm all, I'm sure we will be doing that in some capacity, but I'm just, based on what I'm reading, look, life, why is he doing that? Just stop and time out. Why is he doing this? Why is he catching some fish with these earthly beings? What is it?

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Was it people say, well, it was just a sign that he was like, had been raised. Okay. But I mean, he had fish on the charcoal. And then he said, bring me some more fish. She's like, why? Because there's more people here now. We're going to have a meal together. He's like, come, let's have breakfast.

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If you don't think that that's some kind of mirror into what we're going to experience, I just think you're crazy.

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Yeah, you've stopped your life in a roundabout. You've got a phone in one hand, a cheeseburger in the other, and all of life has stopped here. You're no longer living. You're in fantasy world.

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We're tracking, I was literally fixed to bring this up. You were? Well, because we're also just getting my sins taken care of. Yeah. But I was going to say, he became a human for humans.

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What is the problem with me and God? Okay, sin. But the problem is we're not living together anymore.

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I was looking and I was grabbing the cords and I thought, I've lost my earphones and I haven't moved. And Maddie, she was not giving any help. She was just like, well, that's you. You lost it. They were on Zach's head.

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Yeah, we're prepping right now. We're prepping, but we're tracking because it's amazing that we did not confer with what we're talking about today. And we are in the same lane.

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Why become a human? So people will answer that, well, he had to do something for our sin problem. Okay. We're not disagreeing with that, and we will preach that. on a daily basis, but he became a human to save humans. Humans need a savior, and it's not just an example. And you're like, well, why do they need a savior? So we can dwell together, heaven and earth coming together.

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Can I read something? So for what he's saying, so let's just read Galatians 2.

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So if you think, what is the point of this? Because I've used this verse many times saying, You know, Christ died for my sins. But watch what Zach just said in this little section. This is Galatians 2, 17. If while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not.

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So you immediately think, okay, we're talking about... Christ has justified us by his death on a cross for our sins. True. For what? Read the next verse. If I rebuild what I destroyed, I'll prove that I'm a lawbreaker. For through the law, I died to the law so that I might live for God. Which is exactly what you just said. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live.

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Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. There's a lot of living here. There's a lot of life.

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yeah i don't know but if i gotta figure that out that makes me nauseated i'm kind of a germ freak on that i don't know why i did change my hat too by the way i didn't y'all didn't notice for the last wardrobe change no i noticed that just shows you when i had this one on yeah that was the last podcast now i got uh this this corduroy hat does that make him look better or worse yeah

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You know, on a practical thing, so if you go to Ephesians 4, And like when he talks about not stealing, you remember what he said? That was at the end. And 428 says, he who has been stealing must steal no longer. Okay. Why? Why? But he must work. Well, does that have something to do with not stealing? No, he then tells you why you must work.

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Doing something useful with his own hands that he may have something to share with those in need.

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The whole point was not so much about stealing. It was about sharing.

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So I had a guy reach out to me. He was giving his testimony and said, I want to know what you think. Good friend of mine, known him for years. And we share a lot of common... tragedy and i've been knowing this person for years and uh so i read it it was absolutely beautiful made me cry about you know just what happened in their life jesus saving them

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It was all beautiful in that all the shame and pain that Jesus had taken away. And it was a lot of the, you know, before Christ and just out crying to God. I mean, it was really beautiful. So I read it all and I thought there's something missing here, even as beautiful as it was. And it kind of culminated with Jesus on a cross for all this shame, sin.

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Well, it just shows you that deep down we listen to what people think. We do. I said it was a positive. I was bragging on you. The orange hat said, please don't shoot me. This hat makes you like, look, I'm warm and fuzzy. I'm a nice guy. But what does the hat say, though, Jase? Well, my dad told me... It's too far away for me to read. It says arise, kill, and eat.

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And I guess the more I thought about it for about a day, I sent a text and said, let's have a conversation because it kind of hit me.

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what was what was missing and i was like it was a difficult thing because as beautiful as it was and it and i disagreed with nothing in it and i thought it was a powerful testimony i said i feel like the missing part is the resurrection was never mentioned and so it got kind of weird and

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Because we started talking about the resurrection, but it was like, well, how do you put that in the testimony? And I kept thinking about 1 Corinthians 15, although I didn't bring it up, because it was a delicate situation. Somebody pours their heart out, and you're reading it, and it's all fantastic.

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But I thought, if I was going to give a testimony to a public audience, because this person was fixing to give this, I just kept thinking... What does the new self look like? This is all about Jesus taking care of the old self. But what does the new self look like? And I thought about this 1 Corinthians 15 to go in with Zach's point.

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It says, for if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised either, Your faith is futile when you're still in your sins. Why is he making this bridge of the resurrection and sins? So the reason I brought up that Ephesians 4, you know, that was right after he said, I'll have to look exactly where it is. He was describing this bridge.

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not stealing, but working to share. You remember he was describing the new self. And that's where the resurrection comes into play. You know, think Romans 8, 11. If the spirit of Christ is living in you, not only will he give life, the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead, if it's living in you, will also give life to your mortal body.

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So that we immediately think, well, that's gonna happen later. But that if the Spirit of Christ is living in you, it's the name of your podcast. Yeah. There's two things happening. And so back to the Ephesians 4 when he says— Both things can be true at the same time.

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Well, exactly. And that's the key to everything. That's why I think the Hebrew writer went through the whole hall of faith. All these people died. We got to have faith. And it shows all their faith. But then he gets to the end and he says, but they didn't even receive what was promised.

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Only together with us would they receive what had been promised, which is kind of a difficult passage because you're like, what does that mean? Jesus, when he died, did it go backwards? Yes. Yes. But it also goes forwards.

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However, that was a quote from Acts chapter 10 when Peter... Saw the first, what would we call that? Motion picture from the production? It says a sheet. Phil describes it as a movie screen. Well, because it was let down out of heaven. So I think Phil's more right on that. It was the first, look, the production was heavenly productions. Yeah. Yeah. And it was.

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But then you realize, then when you start talking about the resurrection, because chapter 12, which I don't think should have been a break in the chapter, it says, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily tangles. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith. But I'm saying you can't,

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Just have the death of cross there without the resurrection because what happens in our life? People die. And people die who we don't think they should have died. From babies to warriors in the Lord. I mean, things happen. Well, if you don't have the resurrection or the spirit of Christ in you, what are we going to do with that? Everything stops.

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I think that's when the resurrection becomes real and it's a part of our new self where if we all die tomorrow, I'm talking about everybody in this room, I would think because other people have the spirit of Christ and they know that this is all about life, they're going to just put our names in the margins of Hebrews 11, which the first person who told me that was Mack Owen. And, uh,

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You know, our grandpa had died. We were upset. I was like, well, I'm pretty sure he made it. Why am I so upset? But he, in his encouragement, he wrote in his margin, you know, my grandpa. And boy, I'm telling you, that had a profound impact on me. Because I thought, now, is this real? Or are we just faking? Because we're all going to die.

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So all I'm saying, that was a long rant, saying that I think there's a reason the death, burial, and resurrection culminated all of the gospel writer's stories. And when you start trying to apply it to your life, it goes together. We are thankful that Christ died for our sins, but we just don't end it there. We're like, hey, he came back from the dead. This is about human's life.

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living a new life here and then a new life through eternity because then we'll have a new body.

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I go back to the Genesis 1 where he created the heavens and the earth. Yeah. And then he sends Jesus, and all of a sudden you see that there's a possibility to be born again. Yeah, because that's the whole deal. He brings life, he brings new life.

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Well, when we get to John 3, I'm going to lay something on you that will knock your socks off, and I don't even know if you're going to agree with it. You've already got me nervous about it, but don't bring it up yet.

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Yeah. And y'all think this is planned, but there was no plan. I didn't know Zach was going to make a comment about his hat. But now that you've asked me, I'm going to tell you. Because I know what you were trying to do there. You were changing your image by the hat. And so you have this famous quote from Peter who Phil basically made that – the quote of Duck Commander.

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Well, I'm not going to bring it up yet, but you will, the required reading will be Ezekiel 36 and 37. Because that John 3, you know, John 3, 16 gets all the headlines, right? But Jesus tells, you know, it'd be like telling one of your religious leaders in the country, not just at your local church, hey, you need to be born again. Wait, what?

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And so there's been so many books written about what he meant and where that went, and people go to Ezekiel 36 and 37 because it's a prophecy about this kind of new birth here that uses the same language. Just to give you a little hint, in Ezekiel 36, 26, this Ezekiel, given this prophecy, says... I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you.

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I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And that comes on the heels of him saying in 24, I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you and you'll be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and From all your idols. And then he says, I'll give you a new heart and new spirit.

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I mean, what do you think this is pointing to? Can we just agree on that? Yeah. There's a son of man. There's a savior coming. God's coming to the earth. And we know where this is headed. Yeah, definitely, Professor. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because when it says, I'll give you that heart of flesh, I was like, what exactly does he mean?

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Well, then when he gets to the next chapter, it's a famous chapter. It's a valley chapter. of dry bones and then all of a sudden he creates tendons and it's the they they have this flesh and they come to life in fact and he breathes life he breathes life which now we're going back to the creation story And what I'm saying, I'm only introducing that because I want you to go read it.

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So when we get to John 3, you might say, oh, I might have missed that at my local church when the person who was saying that all flesh is bad. And so it can't be meaning, you know, we can't have a new body when we come back from the dead. Or we can't have a new body here when we have the Holy Spirit. Because I'm going to tell you, when you come to Christ, your life gets better. And your life...

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will become eternal. You will be eternally better, especially post resurrection of your body. And so I really think that's a theme in the book of John. I'm glad we went here because he mentioned it 36 times.

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There were t-shirts. All of his early speeches, that was his open. Yeah, well, here's the problem. So you wore that and you're like, okay, because Phil, he really resonated with that. That's right. But you're missing one key element.

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Oh, we're not negating it. That's why a guy we all listen to has just been brutalized in the Western society, which is N.T. Wright, because he's like, look, he's not saying Jesus didn't die first. He's all for it. He's like, there's just a lot more.

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Oh, I think so. That's probably why we like it. Well, guess what? So do I. But think about this. You know what's weird is this morning, because Missy, I don't know if she probably doesn't want me to say this, but she does a fast every year, and it's very incredible to watch. But I'm so impressed by it. Because she just spends a lot of time in the Word.

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And, I mean, she's shrinking literally before my eyes because she's fasting. But she watches The Chosen over and over and over. So we were talking about that day on why we like it, which is crazy y'all brought this up. And I said, you know what it is? It's these little things, you know, seeing Mary shed a tear.

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rule that phil had what's that he told me when i was a small boy and he reminded me many times he said and i'm not even sure i can pronounce it but he said because i was not allowed to even mention it he said never never wear what is this called the hat corduroy corduroy a corduroy he said never wear that So, see, when I saw the hat, I thought, oh, no.

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You can read that, but when you picture it and see it, it's life is what it is, which I told her, you know, I hugged her before I left. And I said, see, this is life. I mean, she busted out laughing when I said that. I got kind of syrupy, you know. But I was like, I mean, it's picnics with people you love. It's going to see the grandkids.

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But when you put Jesus as an actual person you're watching and seeing all these little moments, it's not the big stuff, which is what the religious world, they're like, oh, this is not word for word. But I'm like, but it becomes real that this –

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god became a man and had conversations with other people you know these little moments happen because they happen to us every day which really makes life worth living and i'm like don't miss the thrilling aspect of god became a man He lived life. We saw it. And they captured the big moments. It's like, well, yeah, but what about all those years? We don't have his childhood.

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That's why I think this is unusual because it's not a biography about Jesus because what do you have to have when you have a biography? They say, well, he was born. Well, we got the birth.

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Yeah, so my point though is- And most of it, the last two weeks. So my point is, what was the purpose of that? Well, the purpose was, this is not a biography. This is about God becoming a man. But you can fill in the blanks, because I'm pretty sure that he lived a pretty normal life for 30 years.

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He has a quote that resonated with Phil, but he put it on something that Phil said.

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Look, the one time I thought I was actually literally going to get stoned at a church building after I gave a sermon is when I literally thought I was going to get stoned in the parking lot. Because I said God was... You don't mean on drugs. You mean like rocks thrown at you.

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Oh, I got... I mean, get out of here. Don't ever come back. What did you say? I said God is gender neutral. And boy, here was the point I made. I said, even though he's referred to as, because back then there was a lot of controversy that God is the, his, in Genesis, it's a masculine pronoun. I was like, but he created in his image, male and female. Correct. In his image.

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And they were the completion of his image, male and female coming together. Now, I made the point of one day that would be a sign that we would be married to Jesus. There's neither male nor female. I was like, it does refer to him as a masculine pronoun, but you would have thought that Because all of a sudden it's like, well, that's what the liberal humanity is saying.

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And I'm like, I don't care what they're saying, but God is pro-man and woman in his image. They both came from him. So in that light, I was saying he was gender neutral, which maybe I could have worded that better.

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Well, one of the verses I use, remember when Jesus said, you know, I'm gathering around like a mother with

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Paul said that about Jesus. Yeah, about Jesus.

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Well, I was making the point that so much of people don't believe in God, they're like, well, the Bible's against women. And I was like, oh, no, no. And we said on the last podcast, Mary was the first one to announce that. that Jesus had been raised. I mean, it was a special moment here. Your point is made pretty strongly when the verse says there is no longer male and female.

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Well, you know, you would think, but didn't like it.

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Well, I'm not saying that. That is the grammar. I would think if someone did a little research, they'd find that out. All right.

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Which is why we're doing this overview because that's what John did.

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So there's no, if you're a. I'm going to go down there and see Phil tomorrow.

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Not sure that memory is going to be.

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I'm going to confess something before we tell this embarrassing moment. I have spent this past year, because now we're in a new year, just looking for stuff. I keep forgetting, losing things. I mean, Missy had to call my phone this morning like 10 times, and I had just had it.

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I went and saw him yesterday, so I'll give a field report. And I do think, you know, he's doing better. But, you know, overall.

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Yeah, overall, look, the conditions and diagnoses are the same. So you got to keep it in mind. It becomes a perspective thing. But he's feeling better. And like you say, some days he does seem more normal. Having said that, I walked in and it felt like a meat locker in there. Oh, my goodness. Oh, cold? Yeah, it was so cold. When I went in the other day, it was 80.

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And I was having trouble breathing. That's why I'm fixing to tell you. So my mom was on the couch with about six blankets. And she said, does it seem cold in here to you? And I'm like, no, it doesn't seem cold. There was no transition from outside. So I went over and looked at the thermostat. I think it said 48. And I said, well, here's your problem. And she's like, well, what?

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I was like, you've turned the heat off. It was just off. So I flicked it on. Well, then my mom started griping about Phil. And I was like, okay, he might have turned it off. But all I did was come over here and turn it on at your house. So she was a bit grumpy about it. But then Phil got up.

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And, I mean, it was pretty late in the day because I started talking real loud because she said he was asleep. And he got up. He's like... it's cold in here. I was like, yep, see right here. And so I was like, I think you turned off the heat. So we have that kind of stuff going on, you know, which is, I guess not abnormal for their age, but it's part of it. Yeah.

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But still, I'm glad I went down there because I was like, it's pretty chilly in here, but he is doing better. And we do appreciate the prayers and, uh, we were on a pretty good regimen, uh, for just trying to improve his health with the conditions that he has.

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but for some reason I've never had this in six years of podcasts I get a message that says wear a solid shirt to the podcast and I thought oh boy Have we gone down there? So I was trying to.

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I always go back to this John 20, which was a catalyst in me taking Jesus serious, being the son of God, which is what the book of John is about. And a couple of podcasts ago, the fascinating thing about John's letter and just Jesus in general,

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is that at that last moment as far as post resurrection the last moments of his letter you see these three characters you know mary who's crying but she actually was the first person that got to announce jesus had been raised from the dead yeah through her tears and mistaken identity.

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Remember, she thought he was the gardener, you know, which makes you think, is this going back to the Garden of Eden? Or, you know, you have that kind of element. And then you have, you know, Thomas, through his doubts, he, once he saw, he said, I just have to, I just got to know, which... Then John would say, well, this is kind of written for those who don't see and believe. But there was doubts.

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He was the first one, I believe, who said, my Lord and my God, which kind of takes you back to the first verse. It says God, he was with God, he was God, but he's distinct from God. And he's like, my Lord and my God. And then Peter, who had denied him three times, And even in that conversation was a little bit bizarre when you look at the actual Greek language because he was like, do you love me?

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Which Jesus was using the full extent of the sacrificial love. And Peter's like, I love you. He was using the word of, yeah, we're friends. Of course I... And so even in his denial and him not really... getting it in the moment there, he uses that to use them anyway and to forgive them anyway and to then start a mission, kind of give you that idea of this is what the church is going to do.

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You're going to go out despite your tears, your pain, your doubts, your failures, and And I'm going to use you, which I think is very powerful. But in John 20, when he has those that, to me, that come and eat breakfast, I just really think that when people say, well, I don't know what heaven's going to be like or what are we going to do? You hear all that. It's like the number one question.

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He only mentions it 37 times. Wow. 36 times. So I'm like, this is about living life, eternal life. And that little scene of Jesus post-resurrection sharing a meal. And not only that, orchestrating the whole fishing expedition. That memory, that moment. But this was, he's post-resurrection now. And we're going to be like him. I just think it's going to be more real life than we're thinking.

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But Zach, look, Willie tried to do the same thing at Duck Command. He tried to get us all to wear uniforms. Yeah. That was not my intention. I am not wearing bowling outfits with our name tags. I'm not going to do it. I'm just telling you that right now. So having said that. That's just a nice polo. Just wear khakis.

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So yesterday I go to the store in my pajamas. I come home and Missy's like, why would you go to the store in your pajamas? And I said, I wanted to be comfortable. I was wearing Cozy Earth, which you gave me for Christmas. That's right.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. If you're watching the podcast today, you'll see that I have taken up residence back at the new and improved Southern Lair.

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I feel like that. It's true. And look, we've all talked about Tebow before, how he had to, for those of us who kind of rooted against him when he played for Florida, now we know him. And his stand, he has taken for Christ in all things, including his professional career, when he would bend down and do a prayer,

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after every touchdown pass or big play or whatever, and was even mocked for it, shows you he's our kind of guy. So we love Tebow.

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Do you remember the sermon name for that, James?

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Yeah, and to your point, James, if you keep going in that text in John 12, because we know it's his death because John lets us know. But then look at the crowd's response in verse 34. We have heard from the law that the Christ, the Messiah, will remain forever. So how can you say that this son of man be lifted up? So they're referring to him dying forever.

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Well, there you go. And we may can set you up in here in the new studios. We can do a podcast from here. That'd be fun. I'll have to bring a minion down, though, if we do that. Yeah.

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But they're also referring to him leaving.

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Which is why I think that John goes back. I always thought John 3.16 through 21 is sort of a repeat of John 1.1 through 18. I mentioned this before. Because when you're talking about the God of creation, coming from their perspective, Yahweh, And then they didn't really understand the Messiah is really being the son of Yahweh, I mean, they saw him as some sort of, they didn't know what he was.

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He was a prophet. He had all these different depictions of what he was going to be. But if and when he did come here, think about how he would speak. If he comes from outside time and space into our time and space, and he was only here 33 years, which from an earthly perspective is a very short time. Trust me, I just turned 60 years. I mean, 33 years, you know, went by a long, long time ago.

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And yet that was the time he was here. So when he speaks, he's speaking from past. He's speaking in the present, but he's also speaking in the future. And why wouldn't he be if he knew he created all this? That's why our good friend and our mentor, Bill Smith, came up with those little symbols that you see everywhere that we talk about, because that is a process of time that

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And yet it expands all of eternity. And so when we start looking and talking about glorification, as Chase mentioned, and being glorified and having the deposit of the Holy Spirit in us, we already begin to experience eternity even while living on the surface.

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Which is always kind of a, you know, I never quite know what I'm getting into because I am a staff of one. Yeah. Here. And so I have to set up my unlike Zach. I don't have my minions around me. So, Zach, I hear you're coming to Gulf Shores at some point. Is that did I hear correctly? Yeah, I'm going to come down in June.

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You know, it always just gives me a little bit of an extra heartbeat in the pulse. You know, when I didn't make any money at all, you didn't have to worry too much about taxes. But you start making a little money, you start doing a little bit better. You have to start paying taxes. When that happens, you sometimes run into IRS issues first. which Lisa and I did.

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Actually, Romans 6 through 8, you could include all three of those chapters, James.

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Well, and I think it deals so much with the idea of a promise. So if you think about it, we spent quite a few, probably the last two or three podcasts in this context looking back at some of the promises that were given to the Jewish people. And this goes back, I mean, to the very beginning, even before Judaism to people. We talked about Genesis 3.15 and different promises.

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But the whole thing was set up on promises. The promises made to Abraham that Paul mentions in Galatians. The Hebrew writer lays all this out. He keeps talking about the promises of God, the promises of God. And all this was pointing to Jesus coming. So now that he's come, The promise remains for us now. We have a taste of it in the Holy Spirit as a deposit.

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So we understand, we begin to experience what it would look like to live forever. The last thing we have to step over is the last promise, which I think is why he tells us about eternal life here. And that is our fear of death being overcome by that final coming that when he comes and we're resurrected and we're like him in that final glorification. But we're not waiting forever.

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On eternity, in the sense that somehow we cannot be experiencing it on this earth, we're waiting for our glorified body. That's the only thing that's left to come. But to me, it seems like we fit fully in the character of God when we have a promise in front of us. And that's the way he did it all through the Old Testament. That's the way he did it in the days of Christ.

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And to this day, we have one great promise left. glorified bodies to live forever. We'll be like him when he returns. So that changes a lot of the dynamic instead of like we're just sitting around here twiddling our thumbs and waiting to somehow have an experience or a thousand year experience or all the things we've applied to that in humanity.

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All we're waiting on is the final ticket for what it's going to be for eternity.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this. I didn't even feel weird about it. And the reason why is because cozy earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn.

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And I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night. and to get into my Cozy Earth pajamas.

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So I want to read the verse just to kind of answer your question, because this is John much later in his life after writing this gospel. And this is in first John. And so this is toward the end of his life. And he's, you know, he had quite a few years on the earth. We know he was the only disciple to, you know, survive those early years.

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And he says in first John three, verse two, dear friends now. So he's speaking in the moment. We are children of God. In other words, we understand that. And what we will be. has not been made known, has not yet been made known. So now he's talking about something in the future. But we know that when he appears or is made known is another variation of that.

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We shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself just as he is pure. And so to answer your question, as whether we're going to be a noxious cloud, that wasn't what Jesus was when he resurrected. And so I can only look to his example in those 40 days.

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But I mean, we learned a lot and we've done that every time we studied one of the gospel writings. But then when you combine that with what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15, When he gives you that idea that what is sown as perishable is raised imperishable, the idea is we don't switch out a body for a noxious cloud. We are who we are.

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This is sad, Jace, that I know where you were.

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God created us to live forever, and that will happen, and we will be like him. I mean, that much I know for sure. It's not a spirit resurrection. It's a spiritual resurrection with a physical body.

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And you think about it, Zach, it motivates you to be different in this life. I spent some time this morning before our podcast talking to a young man who has an estranged relationship from his earthly father. But he's a believer, and now he has his own children, including a son. And so he's viewing everything through the prism of an eternal relationship with God. Well, guess what?

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Even though there's a lot of pain and a lot of hurt, a lot of stuff from his young past from years ago, He totally looks at it differently, understanding a sovereign God and what he needs to do to both offer and extend forgiveness, as well as try to build some sort of bridge back to a relationship.

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Well, if you didn't have that, just think if you didn't understand God in the eternity of the moment. then you would be hampered. You mentioned it earlier. You would be hamstrung by your past. And so many people then would turn into addiction and all these different things to try to deal with it because they don't have an avenue.

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But eternity and understanding it totally changes your perspective on how you live every single day.

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Yeah, I think that's good. Well, we'll try to expand that a little bit more next time on Unashamed. So we're still in John 3. We'll get back here next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube.

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Well, and then if you think about it, we really started this because Dad began speaking when we were young and formative. Oh, yeah. And in these opportunities way back before the show and all that stuff. And so it kind of follows his lead. I was thinking about the story. We were talking about not knowing about travel.

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When things were crazy, when the show was going on, we were someplace every weekend. It was mostly mom and dad. And Lisa and I would go along with them just to kind of help them get point A to point B. And so we were kind of there. Other people were arranging things, but we were just making sure they got where they needed to go. And I would usually open for dad.

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So I was kind of like Jace was back then. I would like show up and then I would have a document that would tell me exactly where we're going, blah, blah, blah. So we get to back then because we were having to get back and forth to film. We were mostly flying private travel because you just didn't have time to do airports and go early and all that.

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You had to get there and get out. And so, you know, with that, there's there's a lot of real positives, but some negative. But we showed up at our little FBO, which is right next to our airport. And, you know, this happens all the time. There's usually a couple of pilots there. You know, we talk a little bit. Here's where we're headed, blah, blah, blah.

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I knew we were going to Georgia, but that's all I knew. I didn't really know anything about the event or anything. And so I was going to look it over on the plane. Well, we get there and there's a bunch of people walking around. And they've got Chick-fil-A like name tags on them. And I thought, hmm, I guess there must be opening a store. So I didn't know any of these people.

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And so one of them walks up, and I noticed his last name was Kathy. And I knew that the Kathy family owned Chick-fil-A, and it was Bubba Kathy. And he comes up and shakes my hand. He said, hey, Bubba Kathy, Chick-fil-A, big fan of the show and love you guys. I said, well, man, Bubba, thank you so much. We're a big fan of your chicken. We call it Jesus chicken.

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and i said so you guys opening a new store like what are y'all doing here and he looked at me kind of cocked his head sideways and he said well we're here to pick you up you and your your family y'all are doing an event for us and i then i was embarrassed i was like oh i i probably should have known that i would have like you know dressed up a little more or something and they had the chick-fil-a sandwiches i just remember dad saying we got on move force one which is the name of their plane

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It's their corporate plane. It's very nice. And it was just stocked with fresh chicken sandwiches and nuggets and stuff. They'd gone over to Chick-fil-A and gotten for us. And dad was like, hey, Al, we're riding in style, son. I mean, we got this Jesus chicken and we're heading with the Chick-fil-A boy. I just remember, I'll never forget the moment of his excitement over chicken.

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Us being able to eat Chick-fil-A on a plate.

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I wonder where you got that idea from. Yeah, I wonder where that came from.

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Jace, you have a copy of a new book that's been written by Todd Nettleton, who's the Voice of the Martyrs radio host. It's called When Faith is Forbidden, 40 Days on the Front Lines with Persecuted Christians. And, you know, one of the things that you were one of the first people I knew that were inspired by the persecution of our Christian forefathers and really what that means to motivate us.

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And it's really inspiring. So what Todd did, Jase, was that he traveled to restricted nations for over 20 years. And so this book is sort of a compilation of the people he met, persecuted Christians all around the world, and how they inspired not only him, but now can inspire us.

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And so it's kind of like his journey, but it takes us on our journey as well to be inspired to live out our faith every single day. So we don't want you to miss the opportunity to be inspired by these remarkable stories. You can request your free copy. Yes, I said free copy of When Faith is Forbidden Today by calling 844-463-4059. That's 844-463-4059. Or you can visit vom.org slash unashamed.

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Now, I think that's actually the perfect segue, a nice segue, Jase, into our text. Because we're in this right in the middle of Jesus having a conversation with Nicodemus. who was a Pharisee and had quite the name for himself. He was a member of the Sanhedrin. So this guy was a big deal in his culture, and yet he doesn't understand, obviously, who Jesus is.

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But everything we've been reading in this text is John the Baptist, who was another donkey, to use Jesus' analogy, who just pointed people to Jesus.

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Well, yeah. And there was an era back in the 70s and the 80s, especially where every sporting event you watched on television, someone had a sign that said John 3, 16. and would hold up the sign. Do you all remember that? Zach, you may be too young.

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Do you remember it, James? Do you remember when they would hold those signs up?

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I'm in my new studio, Zach, down here at the updated Southern Lair. And I'm in a very tight space here. In fact, our new studio back home is much bigger and roomier. And I've noticed there's a lot of reasons for me to lose weight, but one of them is so I can get in and out of this studio because it's a bit of a tight squeeze.

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You know, so fill up and some of the early because it whisked me away from West Monroe down here to the southern layer. So I would be nowhere near you with this demonic flu.

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We have been joined by an esteemed guest that we're super excited about, Jonathan Picluda. We're going to call you JP, Jonathan. That'll work. Yeah, just because we shorten names. That's what we do. It's the Robertson way. That's so much better than what Willie called me, so I appreciate it. I'm grateful. So, Willie, that was my next question because I've seen you on Sadie's podcast.

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That's our sister podcast. Yes. But I was wondering your experiences with that wing of our family, because Willie is his own entity. But I was wondering if he'd given you a nickname or probably nothing you can share on the podcast.

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You've been very successful. If I'm not mistaken, I don't really know all of this, but I know now it's out publicly about the new... the Duck Dynasty, what do they call it, revival, is a lot about what we're talking about, from what I gather, because it's a lot about the next generation, which includes those ducks slash buck boys. So I think that's kind of the under... current of the show.

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Zach, you may know more than me. A lot of people are asking about it. That's the reason I wanted to bring it on the podcast because a lot of people are asking what's the show going to be about, but it's still, you know, our family, but it's definitely that next generation. Round two. Yeah, round two.

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I was wondering if they were going to bring the grizzle back in.

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Unbelievable. Well, we had to have JP on to name names. That's what I love.

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And, Jase, you and I are 50 years down the road from when we were kids. Before they actually cleaned a lot of it up, because we can remember periods where the river would turn black.

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Did you start out, JP, in campus ministry?

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Wow, that's amazing. It reminds me a lot, Jace, when he was saying that when Jace and I were interns right out of seminary, which I went into full time where Jace never did. But I would say our internship, Jace, the two things that we excelled at were chairs. How to set up chairs in different configurations and also moving people.

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We could have started our own moving company just out of our experiences for the church.

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And I just barely got paid for it.

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Yeah, it was actually a dedication in your latest book, which I want to talk about, something called Your Story Has a Villain. And it struck me, JP, because me being – a pastor for many years, and to be quite honest, struggled mightily in my early years, being more passionate about the bride of Christ than my own bride and my kids and kind of left them behind.

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But you said my wife, Monica, is a partner in ministry. And together, it says in the dedication, they discipling their three children. And then you list your children's names. And I just that struck me right off the bat as being a guy who's been in full time ministry a long time. That one is you. Your wife is right there with you in the ministry.

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But also your first job is to disciple your kids before you ever do anything about the kingdom.

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But it's even to that rise point, because you mentioned, and I had no idea, JP, that you were even a part. I had read about and seen some things about the Auburn thing.

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um deal because they've gone on for a while and it's interesting because i first became aware of it out of negative in other words the the coach had been involved and so these people from dc had come in and said you can't you can't be involved in these and immediately there was this like people want to shut this down and attack and so i immediately thought oh man look at this

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Somebody has had an organic situation where people have come to Christ in a college setting where we're always complaining about college kids and how they party and they do this, they do that, they destroy their future. And now we have this good thing happen. And all I'm seeing about it is this negative attack, you know, on the badness of it. So it really just highlights.

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And I had no idea about the other campuses. So it kind of illustrates exactly what you talk about in the book.

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What I misunderstood, Jay, is because I thought the duck boys, part of their job was to make that sort of job, your job, easier, that they were going to be the new labor force, the new posse.

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Well, and I like the way that you really, and you said it earlier, you called it a layman's guide. The practicality of your book, JP, was so good and refreshing to me because this is obviously a subject you can get into and it almost feels out of reach to understand. You mentioned John 10. You used the term pattern recognition.

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And I really related to that as a pastor because you were saying over the course of a couple of decades, you don't really have to look far to see the influence of evil. You can see it in people's patterns and the lifestyle destruction that it causes in their lives. And so I think anybody can relate to that. Yeah, man, that's true.

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So we're going to work on that.

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Well, it's a fantastic book. Your story has a villain. It's broken down simply and yet such a valuable type of who the villain is, what the villain does, how to fight back. We love it. We recommend it. Wherever you buy books, go check it out. Grab your copy. It's going to make your life better. JP, thanks for coming on the Unashamed podcast.

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See, you can only quote Nick Saban, Jace, when you're talking to this generation.

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You know me, Jace. The one thing I am is thick-skinned and honest.

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Well, I got a question for you, James. Are these duck boys or buck boys or both? Because I'm confused. Zach, you saw a picture of the completion. They were sporting the deer that were killed, not the ducks. I'm confused.

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Being able to sit long time and be patient. Bingo. Wow. Give him a prize.

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Come on. And I will say, Jace, to buttress your point, when you look at a deer stand, it's very man-made looking. I mean, you just go out there and set it down and it's there, whereas the duck blind has to be the most natural looking. looking apparatus in the woods.

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They don't even get up out of their bed.

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And by the way, if you're new and listening and you hadn't listened, you can Google that because it's everywhere on the Internet and watch it. One of those famous scenes in Duckman lore.

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So was that extra calisthenics for that duck boy?

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So we've kind of produced this here in our opening discussion, this idea of two sides. I think maybe that's our perfect lead-in to our guest that's about to come on. Except this is much more serious of the discussion. He's going to talk about two sides, good and evil. And so when we come back from our break, we'll introduce our guest we've got coming on today.

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Well, of course, it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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We brought up marriage, and we actually, you know, Paul brought up putting to death, therefore, whatever belongs to the earthly nature. We're setting our minds and hearts on Jesus above, and we have the Holy Spirit. But then he, look, he goes through how this looks practically, and there are some things that we have to clean up on a daily basis. There's a struggle involved here.

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And we've likened this to marriage. And look, as much as I enjoyed my first year of marriage, when I look back on it, that was the most difficult year of my marriage was the first year. And it is for a lot of couples. Yeah, I mean, we were probably five and seven.

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You know? Maybe even four and eight. Maybe three and nine, you know? But we were loyal to each other, which I think is the overall riding factor in Jesus. But there's a struggle, and embracing that struggle is part of the growth, even in Jesus. When I look at my first year of being in Jesus, It was the biggest struggle, year one. And year two was maybe a little worse.

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We got a lot of gossiping. We need to do a podcast on, well, I guess it's not gossip if it's nothing spiritual related. This is just duck hunting.

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But I will say this, after the second year, so I was 16, 17 years old in there, I had a moment of clarity as far as growth and what it means to live what I now believe. This must be lived out in my life. I've shared this many times through podcasts, but I play defense as a Christian. And so that is my answer to the ULM dilemma. I'm saying, Al, if you build it,

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Well, I brought up on the last podcast this epiphany I had that he makes this transition, and we're here in Colossians. I would call this a major transition of the letter. Yeah. It goes from 3 and a 10th.

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chapters of who jesus is because that is always the motivation here yeah that jesus is the transformer he is the foundation he's the rock he's at the right hand of god this is and will be all about jesus being the image of god and our participation in that and we are married to him as members of his church and kingdom

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But he makes that transition on what this looks like, and he has this statement, put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature. And he starts off with four things. usually sexual-oriented issues. Sex that's not right in general, impurity, lust, evil desires.

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Now, then he gets into money and greed, which is another struggle in marriage also, because he's going to give this picture of this old life and this new life But then he gets into relationships in verses 18 through the end of the chapter.

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Well, because it comes back to relationships. Now, think about how Jesus summed up the law. They had the law. Okay, the people couldn't keep it. They weren't faithful to God. The relationship didn't work out too well. But through that, because God not only is creator, he is a redeemer, he comes to earth in bodily form. All the fullness lived in Jesus.

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And Jesus sums up the law, and the king is here, and he's like, remember what he said? Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. And so that's this transition is your relationship with God, and it happens. The magic in that is through Jesus. In Jesus, you become a new creation.

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Well, it then affects or gives you opportunity to show God's love in all your relationships, even your neighbor. Why is that? Love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus reflected that even in his death. He showed the relationship that he had towards his enemies. He said, forgive them, which you talked about in your sermon about forgiveness. It's hard enough to forgive those you love.

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It's really difficult to forgive your enemies because let's face it, we have trouble loving our neighbor and especially our enemies. So I think that's kind of the overall view of what we're reading.

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I mean, he started off with sex because I think that does illustrate, like Zach really said well, in that it reflects God and who he is in this relationship aspect, this intimacy, even in our transformation, him living in us.

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you know and so when i look back you know we all have three different histories i guess as far as our marriage and our sexual history which is affects us i'm a guy who seems really weird in our world because the only woman i've ever been with is my wife and in a sexual way it started on our honeymoon night.

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And, you know, without getting too much in the details, I mean, my wife has said many times, she's like, if anything ever happens to you, I'm done. And like when she first said that, I was like, babe, circumstances change, I'll be dead. I don't care. The Bible actually is like, okay, he's dead. You know, you can marry somebody else.

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She's like, it's so intimate and it's so private and it's so secret and it's so special. I just don't want to go through that process again. You know what I mean? And she's not saying that from a negative viewpoint. It's just hard. for her to imagine because I'm the only guy she's ever known. And so, you know, I listened to that sermon by John Tyson, which I recommended in the last podcast.

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Sexual Formation. Yeah, that was the name of it. And it was very blunt and graphic. And, I mean, he talks about every sexual – idea from identity to to living you know together not being married to pornography to masturbation to same-sex marriage all this and he has it in categories and he's very well spoken so a lot of the words I wasn't real sure what he meant but I

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Well, where we're at on our property is I kind of run the duck hunting side of it. And like I say, Phil has been down, so it's like a role that's – Kind of weird because I'm sad because my dad's not feeling well, but now I realize that some of the stuff he's had to put up with about people wanting to duck on and poachers and different things we've been involved with here lately.

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It was all centered on Jesus, and so I'm not, I mean, I listened to it this morning, so it wasn't like I was sitting there taking notes, but I thought, okay, here's a guy in New York City, and he says the number one problem that I, as a pastor, have counseling session with these people who are coming to Christ with all this sexual baggage.

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and I thought it was really well done, and I recommend it. And he actually brought up Colossians 3, but he also brought up 1 Corinthians 6 and 1 Thessalonians 4, which seems to give the same idea of this relationship-oriented idea.

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Let me read the 1 Thessalonians 4. I think this was the basis, his main thrust, which, look, I want to say this. One of the reasons I thought it was real well done, although very blunt, and I'm not sure how many people made it to the end in his audience just based on a couple comments he made. Yeah.

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the first thing he read was actually when Jesus said in Matthew 5, Sermon on the Mount, when he said, look, this idea about The law says that if you – about committing adultery, you know, and he makes this kind of illustration. He said, yeah, that's one thing. But I'm saying if you look lustfully at a woman, you're committing adultery in your heart.

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Well, then it goes into this, if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It's so graphic that Jesus would say that. And it was uncomfortable for me to realize his audience in New York City, they're like, oh. I mean, is that in the Bible? I mean, it's Jesus. He's just like throwing down the haymakers here.

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I'm really not sure who Miley Cyrus is, but I'll take your word for it.

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I mean, you can't even look lustfully on a woman. He's making that the equivalent to adultery. I mean, this seems crazy. But it was real clever on his part because he started there. Because when he got to the end, and I want to say this because you may not make it to the end if I don't say this.

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But he said, you know, Jesus came on as strong, his standard for sex, about being about a man and a woman for life and exclusive. And he held that at the highest standard possible and didn't waver. But in his actions in love, in his redemptive process, meanwhile, he also reached out to a woman caught in adultery who the Pharisees were fixing to stone.

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And he created a way and a space for her to find a transformation process in love. and would culminate that story at the end by saying, now, go leave your life of sin, a lot like Colossians here. He also would get to the story about the woman who was, however it portrays her, but she was basically a prostitute, a sinful woman, it says, but when you kind of dig deeper into the Greek and all that.

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Luke 7. Luke 7. Yeah, and he allows her to cry and to wash his feet with her tears and putting her hair down, which was culturally only what women of the night did. And all these Pharisees are like, what do you do? You can't be a prophet and allow this woman. They were embarrassed and uncomfortable. And so I really thought that was well done because the standard is there.

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It is a reflection of us being made in the image of God and what we have in a unique relationship with God in Christ in that we are literally married to him. And he made this point about a lot of people make a big deal about when Jesus said there's no marriage in heaven.

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He said, but he wasn't saying that for we're not going to have this same type of physical marriage and with sex, and there'll be no need to reproduce. But he was saying, but we're married to Jesus in heaven forever, and it's way beyond marriage.

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Yeah, it's bigger. I thought it was an awesome point. It goes on beyond this physical thing that we experience here on the earth.

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And Willie, via Jay, takes care of the deer side. And so what we've kind of realized in our relationship is is I need to stay out of the deer management because I don't like deer hunters in general on our property. I love them outside of our property, but I'm saying they don't have anything as deer hunters. You just don't like it going on while you're done. I don't like them scaring the ducks.

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So when we shoot at ducks, it doesn't scare the deer. Now they, they didn't believe that at first, but now everybody, I mean, we will literally shoot some ducks. And then we've had this happen in the first split three different times. We shoot ducks and then deer walk out like we're not there. Yeah. They're just walking. And so I kept griping.

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Well, and that was, I mean, what y'all are saying, when you listen to this, it's exactly what y'all are saying. That's where he went with this, because he's like, especially in Colossians, you got these two things

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ways to go about sex you got the secular world which is like basically if you have consent if you have a desire and you have consent then you can do anything well the the question that should be asked is how's that working for you Really deep down. And he had a really good illustration. He had some New York Times. I actually took a picture of this. Let me see if I can find it.

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He had a New York Times article about this. I don't believe this person was a believer who wrote this. The title of it is What's Lust Got to Do With It? and under here, just to be fair, why would a woman go home with a man, decide she's not attracted to him, but have sex with him anyway? So that's what the article was about.

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But there was an interesting quote that he read from this woman who wrote this article, which kind of sums up the secular view here. It says, getting naked and having sex with strangers is hard. Because everybody's like, oh, the illusion of it is, oh, this is freedom. Yeah, it's free.

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And his point in the sermon, Tyson, was it produces confusion and disillusionment, you know, and a lot of guilt and shame. And like, I don't know if I should have done that. Not to mention transmitted diseases or what have you, or fights or jealousy.

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Well, exactly. Well, to finish this quote. Turn the lights on.

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So the secular world, what happens is it doesn't lead to intimacy, which is why this person's writing this article, because it's like what you really want is someone like, you know, I'm going back to my marriage is that I can take all my clothes off and my wife.

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And since we are oblivious of, because our temptation is in the last 34 years would have to be curiosity because this is all we've ever known, which after I heard this sermon, I mean, my wife got, I was like, babe, We ought to be thankful for what we have.

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I said, we have too many deer because they're not even scared of us. Now they're just coming out in the open and we're not disturbing them at all.

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Because it's like, I don't know what's going on, but after hearing that, I'm really thankful for what we have because we don't have this shame, and we are what we are. There's an intimacy that is triumphing with this article that I'm reading from here, which I've now lost my place. Sorry. Let me scroll back. You know what? Why don't they have your phone where it resets after your unuse?

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Okay, so let me read the quote because you'll find this fascinating. So getting naked and having sex with strangers is hard. We portray it as fun and we pretend it's fun, but people crave intimacy, which is not easy to create in a hookup. That's why Britain just appointed a loneliness minister, which I didn't know they did that. So this is Joanna Coles.

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But her point, I think, is well spoken that it is. And when you throw in some of the other stats, he had like 90 percent, which I don't know where they he got the research. But from 12 to 17 year old males have have experienced, you know, pornography. in some fashion, 90%.

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And it's like, which affects you, which he got, I mean, he went very graphic in that, which affects them later with an actual real woman, you know, because you have this fantasy idea and he had a C.S. Lewis quote Because he got into masturbation and addressed it. And even though the Bible doesn't really specifically get into that, I think C.S.

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And so they don't, you know, we just decided you stick with the ducks, we'll stick with the deer. Stay in your lane, bro. The problem is I like to eat deer. Yeah. But they don't want me anywhere around the deer hunting operation. So Jay got me a, and I like to eat small deer. And I have my tags and they have their tags.

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Lewis made a pretty good point about this kind of being self-absorbed. But he made it.

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Exactly. It's like it's way easier to have this relationship with thousands of fantasy people ideas in your mind then it because he gave a definition of like lust and love love is focused on one person and not just in a sexual way just self-giving love love it's not really intimacy if it's just you and the quote was lust doesn't care who you are yeah

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Because it's more about your own self and wants. And I thought that was a really telling definition of how that works because he did mention lust in Colossians. You have the secular view, which is the, you know, let's just, if you have the desire, you get the consent, and this is what they call freedom, which is untrue. You simply ask them a question.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. But then on the other end, you have religious groups or people using shame as kind of the catalyst and willpower. And without this transformation, this sacred –

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edict that god instituted he's not trying to shame you and it's not some kind of rule oriented it is a reflection of what true relationship self-sacrificing love can be all about and uh i think when you look at sex in general you you start off as a human well you're oblivious to sex when you're a kid you have no idea baby there's no idea so you go through this process that we call puberty and then all of a

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And I think he kind of shared his own. He had three instances because he was like, when I was a kid, well, it was hard to see pornography. So he had three instances where he saw a magazine. They were quite funny. It was like the first thing he saw was in a public restroom. He saw a naked woman. And he thought, you know, I didn't know what that exactly. He was like eight or nine years old.

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He's like, but it caused a physical reaction. I mean, I thought, huh. I didn't know that was going on, you know. And he said, so I did what any kid would do. I took it off the wall and put it in my pocket. And he's like, but my parents were believers. So I thought, where could I hide this where they wouldn't find it? Oh, boy. And he said, you know. Back to Genesis 3 now.

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He said, we had a Bible dictionary that no one ever used. And he said, I literally hid it in a Bible dictionary. And he said, for the record, I have no idea where that Bible dictionary is somewhere, but if someone finds it, they're going to find a surprise in there.

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You know, and I remembered being in eighth or ninth grade, and I went to a camp out with my buddies, you know, and one of them brought out this book, and it was, you know, with pictures, but it was like a sex book. And I was like, wow, what in the world?

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And I'm like, somebody's using these tags for Jace to have a deer for Thanksgiving because my kids don't. It's like a tradition. When they come in from out of town, they want to eat crappie. And so my daughter, for the first time, which I'm telling a sub-story here, for the first time in...

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So he gets into all that, but he then on the other side has, in light of Colossians, this shame idea, even where people trying to be pure, try to guilt people or create a scenario that is exhausting, that forces you to quit. you know, without Jesus's intervention as the model doing it right. Or if things go wrong, the transformation process.

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Yeah, he brought that up. It's like the angelic, and he's like, I got news for you. And he said, from people I've talked to, like my wife and I, I mean, it is what it is. It's sex. It's nice. It's great. But it wasn't like... But it takes work and a relationship. Exactly. It's just like anything else. Going back, talking to the football team, the whole nine yards.

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I mean, relationships are difficult.

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That's where I was going with this. You see that this is a temporary thing. You start off when you're a kid, oblivious. Well, look, at some point, it's going to become oblivious again. No matter how many pills you order, I'm telling you, I mean, my dad was right in one of his sex talks. He said, Jase, at some point, everything, ducks and human bodies, they're heading south.

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Well, exactly. I need to read this because we only have three minutes left. I want to read the 1 Thessalonians 4 because this is really the basis for the whole thing, and I think we should read it, and then you can comment. So he says in verse 1 of 1 Thessalonians 4, Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you're living.

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Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do the same more and more, for you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. So watch what he says. It is God's will that you should be sanctified, set apart.

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Our relationship, because they love this tradition, because I'll cook the Thanksgiving week, which I know was two weeks ago, but it's a great memory here.

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that you should avoid sexual immorality, that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen who do not know God, and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. And before I read, he made a point there that the church,

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They're not in charge of setting up this legalistic, shame-filled mandate on trying to move people. He said the church should be a reflection of God's plan that they're married to Jesus, and it should above all be a place in the world that is safe. where there's not predators on every street corner like the world is, because we haven't even got into that.

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When you have this, hey, consent plus desire equals whatever you want to do, well, what happens in our real world is predators have come out of the woodwork. And that's why you have so much abuse. There's human trafficking. I mean, and I think that was a really good point. It's like in the church, we welcome everyone at the table, but not in our bed. And he quoted that Hebrews 13.

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So then he says, the Lord will punish men for all such sins as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man. but God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

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That's why I wanted to read this because when he talks about setting your mind on things above where Jesus is sitting and he says, Jesus, who is your life, you have the Holy Spirit inside of you. It's all woven in this context, which is we don't have time to read 1 Corinthians 6, but it actually singles out this relationship and says all other sins a man commits are outside his body.

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And I snuck off to Willie's Pond. Don't tell anybody. to catch some crappie at night because I don't want them knowing my business, and I've offered to pay for the crappie. I think he likes the sneaky part of it.

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He who sins sexually sins with his own body. And you remember what it says? If you're united with a prostitute, you're uniting Jesus himself in that moment. And so the reason we made such a big deal of this is because God made a big deal of this because it is a reflection of the greater relationship, like Zach has said a couple times here, of what we experience in Jesus.

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And it is the most captivating thing that happens in life because it is something that we think about as men, somebody said, every seven seconds.

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Which is a, yeah, it's a reflection of God's original plan. He wants to commune, which I'll say this in closing. It comes back to, if you don't believe there's a God, then all of a sudden your design is lost. When the design is lost, your purpose is lost. When your purpose is lost, there's no accountability. Where there's no accountability, there's no fear of God.

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Where there's no fear of God, there's no wisdom. And chaos ensues.

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Yeah, especially I don't want him knowing my business when I'm on his property.

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Look, so I go out there and just, I mean, it was just on. And I was like, the Lord knows how much this means to my family. They love for me to cook crappie the week of Thanksgiving. They love me to cook deer. I'm over there catching the crappie, and I'm about five in, five slabs in, in five casts. And I hear this. You don't ever hear this at night. Even though it was, hey, Dad.

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Okay. She's not in the Bible. I'm really not interested. I mean, don't take that the wrong way. I'm sure she's a nice person.

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And I mean, I jumped a foot. It was black dark. And I just hear this voice, hey, Dad. And it was my daughter. I was like, are you lost? She said, no, I wanted to come fishing with you. I was like, oh, because she had just pulled in. Where's dad? He's fishing, catching y'all some crappie. Yeah. And she actually, I'm like, well, come on. I only have one rod.

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But I was like, let me show you how to do this. So I caught a cut because it's a little tricky. I was like, you have to put it in the exact spot, do this. And I thought, have you been fishing? Because she's never been one to want to go fishing. She said, I've been catching fish in Tennessee. I was like, oh. Genetics. You're now wanting to show your skills off. Genetics.

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I said, well, okay, here you go. And so the first one, she actually, because I'm tight lining, so it was not difficult. And I'm on a bridge that's probably 12 to 15 feet above the water. So not only do you got to catch the fish, set the hook, you then have to sling it up on the bridge. And you have to fish on the bridge because it's the quickest way to get away if someone comes out of their house.

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Yeah. And so she missed the first one. I said, got to have a little more hook set here. It's more of a, because I said, well, you've been catching in Tennessee. And she's like, well, brim. I was like, you can get away with a lot on a brim, but he's crappy when you feel that bump. Go 1,001. I said, and then you jerk back. I said, he will resist. And that's how you set the hook. Next bump. Boom.

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She gets him. She had a little trouble slinging the crappie over, you know, but she figured it out. I was like, it's leverage. It's a leverage thing. And then I caught a couple more to show her how to do the proper sling to the bridge. And then she caught a big one. And so that's when we called it a wrap. So we caught the crappie. But back to the deer, same principle.

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I was like, need a deer for... Thanksgiving. So I basically put out a hit. What I get from me not being involved in your deer operation is I need a gift, a sacrifice. This is your tithe. It's the tithe, and it cannot be over 50 pounds because I want to process it myself and do it quick. Because you don't trust anybody else cleaning.

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You got to remember, in hunting season, Al, I'm more distracted than normal. So, like, at some point in my life, I might would have known who that was. But you have.

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So I said that to Jay, and he just kind of looked at me like, huh. And that was it. But I said my piece, and we went duck hunting. And Jay didn't go with us that morning, which was a mistake. Because he took his daughter deer hunting, which is a good thing. Yep. But he hears us about every 10 minutes because it was a flight. I mean, it was exciting.

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We're seeing ducks migrating dots, and we're all calling. And then about one out of five bunches that would lock up, and we actually started shooting them. Yeah. So he's hearing this, blah, blah, blah. So I know he's getting frustrated. A little FOMO. Yep. The worst thing you can do when you're deer hunting, and he's basically a deer watcher. Yeah.

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They're shooting cull bucks or whatever their process is, you know, which is just, I find, not interesting. And so he got to thinking about that conversation. And every volley that goes off, so about 8 o'clock he couldn't stand anymore, and he said, you still want that deer? Yeah. And I'm like, I didn't even know what he was. I had forgotten. I'm in the excitement of duck hunting.

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And I was like, yeah. That was it. Send him a text. Way back to duck hunting. I forgot all about it. So actually, it was the last day of the first split. The motor would not crank, and so we had to push-pole back to the bank, which was perfect timing. You think, is it time to be angry? We're thankful we got the ducks. We're push-polling. We don't even mind push-polling. I don't even mind.

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I'm on top of the world. If you'd have had an ofer, that would have been a long slog. Mm-hmm. So we pull up to the dock, and I look on the, I was like, something is on the four-wheeler. And here's this 40-pound deer. It's just on the hood of a small four-wheeler. And it's not even overhanging. It's such a small deer. And a lot of you deer enthusiasts are like, oh, they're the best-tasting deer.

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That's what it's all about. We have a tag. It's legal. So, but I thought he did that because the last time he got me a deer, he cleaned it, which I thought was a better gift. You see what I mean? Yeah. So I think he was saying like, yeah, y'all are getting the ducks. Here's your deer. Yeah. That's what I wanted to hear your take. That was the hidden.

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You missed that one somehow.

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Well, I'm not going to say, oh, you didn't clean it. Well, I would never say that. Right. I can clean a deer, but it has been a while. But I had my son, and they were going to movies, and I didn't have time to clean the deer. I was going to go visit my parents. I was like, well, I guess I'm going to take this deer home and clean the deer.

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So I cut me a piece of rope, and I'd never – I live in town. It's not exactly – I think I've cleaned one deer in town, and it caused –

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Well, I maybe I had known that before. I just, I moved on. Yeah. You know, Trump was elected and, uh, I've moved on. So, you know, I don't know. I have a selective memory.

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big stink with the hoa i think they actually did an episode recreation of duck the duck down i had a deer hanging you know in my yard and you would have thought we need to call 9-1-1 and so i thought well here we go again and so i hung this deer up and i realized that i'm a bit rusty i mean it took me about an hour just to find the right tools and i had to hang the deer up by myself even though it was light you know i'm hanging the deer up couldn't remember

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So I just kind of was chuckling the whole time as I'm cleaning this deer. I was like, you know, I'm not sure if this was a gift given in thankfulness. Other than you missed the duck hunt. You're mad because I want a deer. And it's the price of me not getting involved with y'all's operation. But guess what?

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I'm glad you brought it up.

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So there I was. I got asked to speak to this group of young men. And, you know, what do you do? And the coach had actually asked me, what exactly are you going to talk about? And he was kind of giving me some ideas about football. And I was like, I'm not going to talk about football. So I want to say that first off. You know, I talked about. He's a coach. He talks about football.

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I talked about being a young man in this world. And, of course, I shared my faith in Jesus. And I did it in a way where I didn't want to think I'm pushing this on you or this is what I did. And I just, that's what I did. Now, granted, it did start a losing streak. However, you got to remember that everything in life that is noteworthy is a process. And you have to embrace the struggle.

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Sometimes you need the struggle. What was that quote about victory is celebrated in the light, but it's won in the darkness? And so I feel like I'm part of— Did you use that line on the ULM? No, that is a quote somewhere, and I'm not sure the exact context of it, but I think I got it right. But I think there always has to be a wilderness before there is freedom and liberation.

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I mean, just read the Bible. There's a lot of struggle in the wilderness. So I think it is a process, and I think five wins for ULM this year was awesome. It was. You think, oh, they're 5-7, and they were 2-10 the year before. So I really think the coach is going in the right direction. Agreed. And so I'm saying I went long-term, Al. You have to have sometimes the struggle first.

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You know, that was a funny moment.

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For those of you who don't know, a box is 25 shells. That's right.

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She just told me that this morning. So just so you know, one hour ago, I was told that because I said, Mom, 60 years ago, you brought me into this world. She said, that's why you're my favorite.

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He's going to mount it and have a picture of Uncle Si on there.

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To get into the theology of the deer guys.

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Not just you, Dave, me too.

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It's the legend of Big Red now. After Big Red, boy.

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And so it's such a great point that all of it is the Almighty's to use for His will. And so the evil one, you know, if he can't get through in one attack, he comes at you another way. And that's a lot of times what happens with people. It certainly happened to me.

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The Robertson is strong in that one. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, we had some fruit trees, limes and lemons, because they do really well in my sector.

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He said, while we wait, we hydrate. And then he shotguns a beer.

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It is, man. So, Chad, it's so good that we just naturally went here in this conversation because the last time you were on the podcast, you had us riveted telling us your story of when you came to Christ. I mean, I'll never forget it. I've told a lot of other people as well. You were in North Africa someplace. Yeah.

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You were on mission, but you were surrounded by forces of evil and you felt it and you knew it. And you wind up talking, your brother's pastor had prayer with you as you went around through this place. And it ultimately led you to the feet of the cross and it changed your life forever. And I just remember the impact of that, you telling it.

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And so recently, we've been in the book of Ephesians that our church preach in. And Jace is up this week to wrap it up. But a couple of weeks ago, I preached on Ephesians 6, 10 through 20, which is that great passage about spiritual warfare and the armor of God. And so I immediately thought about you thinking back to your story.

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And then when you were going to come on the podcast, I said, oh, man, I want to get your perspective.

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uh as as both a physical warrior you know for our country but also a spiritual warrior for christ and and talk about a little bit of us today talk a little bit about this passage about spiritual warfare as we've already led into that it's more than just you know after our our soul i mean this is an eternal battle for everything

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Because once you become new in Christ, the eternity actually begins while you're here. I mean, there's no doubt about it. The line I used was, is eternal life. We've always thought about it as a quantity. In other words, it's forever. And we talk about that, what's heaven going to be like and stuff like that. But it's actually a quality of life that begins here.

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Because once you've crossed over, you understand eternity because the Holy Spirit of God lives in you. And so that brings eternity to camp, as Zach said earlier, as the Holy Spirit. You are the temple. of the Holy Spirit of God. So that eternal life begins even now in this stage we're in on earth. And so the quality of life should go way up for believers who understand who God is.

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So I want to talk about that a little bit today and just get your perspective on that. I mean, have you thought much about that in terms of Ephesians 6 and how that applies into your daily spiritual walk?

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So I want to thank you, brother.

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Yeah. And those shrimp, they peel perfectly. He's got it down on the when to put the seasoning and when not to. So Jay has got it perfected.

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Guys, summer is almost here. And if you got kids at home or like me, you got grandkids to come and spend time with you at your southern layer. You're always trying to find things for them to do. And, you know, whether it's activities or even things to do inside your home, a lot of times we read our grandkids books.

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Yeah, you did. Oh, I did. He had to call Jay. I'm glad you clarified he had a smoking issue. I was like, did he restart smoking? Now I realize where you were going with that. You said don't let the temperature get above.

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No doubt. And, you know, the people that invested into my life, I think about an old preacher that you lived up the street, your mom getting me to that camp. I mean, the people that invested in my young life are the reason that I have faith today. There's no doubt about it.

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He got stepped up. It's a move up from the AAAs, Jay, into the major leagues. You probably won't be here long. We'll send you back down, but today you're here.

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Well, two things to set that up. One is when you when you think about the armor of God, it starts off by saying it's God's armor is not ours. So the power is his. You know, it says be strong in the Lord and his mighty armor and his mighty power. So it's his. And I made the point about standing and first surrendering because that's what we have to do.

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If the if the armor is God's and I have to surrender to put it on. And Chad, I made the point that when you, Stone, did the same thing, when you raised your right hand, you surrendered your rights as a U.S. citizen to be then a warrior for the United States government to defend the Constitution. And then they took you and trained you to do that.

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And so you surrender because you saw the evils that face our country. And so it's not a perfect analogy, but in some ways we do the same thing. We raise our right hand and say, we believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and we're all in the kingdom of God. And therefore we go all in to do it. And so I made the point about taking your stand, which is how he starts. He says three times to stand.

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And if you think about it, Zach talked earlier about Exodus 3. When Moses found that burning bush, the bush told him to take off his shoes because he was standing on holy ground. And the reason that ground was holy was not because it was out in the desert somewhere and there was a bush on fire. It's because the presence of God was there.

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And so anytime we stand with the Holy Spirit of God living in us, that's holy ground. So I made the point that when I was a prodigal, I left New Orleans literally with my tail between my legs and scared to death because the evil one had almost taken my life. And I never wanted to go back there. But wouldn't you know it, two years later, less than two years later, we were going back to New Orleans.

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But this time I was going with my dad.

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and doing a duck call demonstration and i was afraid i was like i was afraid i'd run into some old running buddies and all this stuff i was young i'd just gotten married and when we walked into that superdome and we mentioned this on a past podcast when dad stood up and declared i mean he was sharing his faith in a public setting which was the duck call setting he talked about the lord jesus i was just filled and inspired

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Because I realized that my dad was standing on holy ground in that same place that I had given away so much of my spiritual wealth to the evil one. And I watched the Holy Spirit of God work through him in that moment. And I knew then I was like, I will never turn back. From the Almighty. And that's what happens when we go on offense.

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So I love that the armor, every one of those is three sets of three when you look at it. And all three of them start with the defensive posture, whether it's, you know, the truth, you know, the belt of truth, the, you know, the faith that distinguish extinguishes these arrows and prayer.

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But they all in on offense with us going out with the gospel, with us having the word of truth that divides good from evil and also praying that we can declare fearlessly. And so every one of us have the defensive stand of God, but we have the offensive ability to share that. So that was kind of my whole thing. But I couldn't help.

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Yeah, we are. We've got a guest on. Originally, we were going to have Chad Squared, is what I call him, back on. Chad Robichaud, Chad Wright. a couple of really fantastic guys. And Chad Robichaux is somewhere out there doing good, but Chad Wright still came.

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Look, Chad, you realize when it comes from us, it's heartfelt because you know how dad is our patriarch as well. So what a great testimony that you are. I can't believe we're out of time, but we are. We're actually over time. But We invite you anytime you're in town. We love chatting with you.

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You are a warrior for the kingdom, first and foremost, but you're also a warrior in terms of everything you've done in your life. So we appreciate what you do. You're always welcome here. Check him out. Just Google Chad Wright. It's two D's, Chad. And you will find some amazing content.

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And I love you, brother. That's a great final word. Thank you, Chad. Thank you for being on. Thank you, Stone. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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He's also a black belt jujitsu, which is what drew Jay into his circle when we first met him, because Jay is part owner of a jujitsu school. So he kind of was drawn to these guys and Jay's military as well. But Chad Wright, I mean, man, he wowed us.

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I think it was 8. I think it was Team 8.

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Yeah. This is the second time this has happened. Goblin went out there.

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And you're like, what happened?

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All right, well, look, let's take a break. And when we come back, we'll have Chad set up to join us on the Unashamed podcast.

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Welcome back to Unashamed. We are in our boxes, but I'm looking at the studio, Jace. In my chair, in Al's chair, is my erstwhile son-in-law, Stone, that's joined the Unashamed podcast. Welcome, Jace.

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Well, I say, Jay, I talk about all the time. So. So, in fact, Jay was down here a couple of weeks ago and we did a little crabbing off our dock down here. And, you know, Stone is always learning things and then teaching them. And so he's teaching me about how to boil these shrimp and crabs.

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Well, thank you, Chad. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, you know, I lost like a chunky middle schooler that I had around my waist. I'm still going. But you know what? It's amazing because I have not looked back because I've been just looking forward, you know, where I want to get to. And I was actually looking back at the last time you were on the podcast.

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There was a picture of me and Jason, you and Chad Robichaux there. And I was like, whoa. You know, you look back and you think, ow, you didn't look so good. So, yeah, it definitely feels better to lose a little weight.

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No doubt about it. And then your energy comes back and you're able to get out and do stuff you used to do, which makes it a lot better. But I appreciate guys like you that are that way consistently because they help guys like me figure out, you know, hey, we got to You were right. It's a mental beginning.

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So, Jay, I had to call you this week because I'm organizing a little dinner party of some of my friends down here and I'm going to take my first shot. at the old shrimp barrel. And, uh, so I'm going to have to get all your insights, but you, what'd you learn from a Cajun online? Where'd you learn?

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I mean, you've got to start with the mind and say, okay, this is something that's got to be done. If you don't start there, you're never going to get the results you want.

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Well, you make such a good point, Chad, because, you know, since I was 18 years old and came to Christ, I've been able to maintain a very strong spiritual discipline in terms of my approach to the Word of God, to my conversations with the Almighty, you know, on mission with the gospel. But what happens is a lot of times you then lose containment sometimes.

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on some of the other basic things, which I did as well. And you're right, that's just as much an attack by evil as anything else, because if you don't feel well, if you're sick, if you're limited, if you limit yourself and your opportunities, then that's an attack on you as a whole person, because it's body, soul, mind, and spirit. You're right, it's all together.

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Right. Because we're cutting, we're trying to cut away wasted time. Everything becomes about the expediency of telling as many people about Jesus as possible. You realize we're only in this phase of it for a period of time. You know, we got to make the biggest impact we can.

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I have, Zach. And I wish I had known about Tax Network USA because I took them on by myself and it didn't turn out so well for Al.

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And Jase and I both believe, and we talked about this on a previous podcast, that the reason John put this in, because I think, Jase, you and I both believe this is the same incident that happens at the end of the chronological Gospels, but John had a reason why he put it here. Mm-hmm.

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And look, because the reason I think that is because right after that, Zach, in verse 23, it says, now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover feast, many people saw miraculous signs he was doing and believed his name. That's a broad statement of a lot of miracles he did that caused a lot of people to look at it. But why did John include just seven miracles?

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Out of all the thousands of miracles that Jesus did, he was making a point throughout his entire marriage.

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It could be. But my point is, as you're looking that up, he laid out a very – stark narrative. And, and we're about to get into Nicodemus, which I think again is very much on purpose because this is a leader in Israel. That's going to come into the situation now with Jesus. And he doesn't understand either. I mean, he doesn't understand at all what's happening.

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You told us about it. I'm very curious. I didn't get to see any of it because I was busy doing events and stuff, but I'm very curious as to what happened.

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And when Jesus lays it out to him, he's stunned.

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To hear what, what Jesus is actually here for. Do you find it?

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Yeah, because Mark's only got 16 chapters.

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They gave him a Jen Psaki answer. We're going to circle back and get back to you. Well, I'm not going to tell you by what authority I'm doing these things.

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Well, I was just curious to what y'all thought about that because that's an interesting way of how John puts that. He wouldn't entrust himself to them. Because he knew what was in them.

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He knows how we think. Right. My first thought was, I thought looking ahead to John 8, remember when it was after the feeding of the 5,000, which we'll get into, and it said then he did other things and they believed in him. But the minute he started asking them questions, they quickly didn't believe in him because they went from believing in him to picking up rocks.

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Remember at the end of that, trying to kill him? And so I think that's what he means. He knew they weren't ready.

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My deal is if you weren't tied to a of a story, then you could pop things in wherever you wanted to. I tend to agree with that.

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Well, of course it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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Nicodemus and it's interesting that he's talking to someone who is definitely high in the upper echelon of Israel but he's making a point of grafting in the entire world into the kingdom and you could always be the Gentiles could always be outside the temple in the outer courts of it but they couldn't get inside that was the difference unless they went through the ritualizing part of Judaism that's what's changed with Jesus no I thought the same look yesterday I was at

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Let's just think about the difference, Zach, that you go from being near the presence of God once a year... we're talking about under the old system, to having the presence of God live in you. I mean, you're talking about a leap here. This is quantum leap.

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And remember the context of where we are from John's perspective, everything we're looking at is through John's perspective.

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Yeah, well, read the first two verses. Let me give a little bit of background, then you can go from there. Because remember, we got new wine, and we got the clearing of the temple, and then we got this incident. So remember those two coming into it.

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In John? Well, let me read the first two. Let me set it up, and then you go from there. So there's a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one could perform the miraculous signs you were doing if God were not with him.

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Let me just give you a couple little things about Nicodemus. One is, I found interesting, his name in Greek means conqueror of the people. which is interesting. So this guy is very much in high esteem. He is a member of the Pharisees, and we've talked about this in past podcasts. The Pharisees got to think, this goes all the way back to Daniel. These were separatists.

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These were guys that, under the Babylonian captivity, they didn't go with the Babylonian way. They stood for the godly way. That's where the Pharisees began. So this is 600 years. Which is good. Which is good. These were guys that stood for what was right. But unfortunately...

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They added so much because the Mishnah, which was these things they wrote, they had 24 chapters, Jase, about keeping the Sabbath. Yeah. 24 chapters. Well, they took the Torah and then made a lot of additions. Exactly. So he was a Pharisee. He was a member of the Jewish ruling council, which is the Sanhedrin. That's a 70-member body.

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And if you were trying to put it in modern politics, it's like a parliament and Supreme Court all rolled into one. You had the high priest and you had these guys. Which also made their system all performance-based. Everything was, exactly. And so the other thing I want to add on that is he comes to Jesus at night, which means one of two things to me.

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He's either trying to be super diplomatic because there's a lot of angst that's going on behind the scenes, or he really is seeking, which is I think what it is, because later on we know, because we read the whole book of John, that he becomes a believer at the end. So that's the setup.

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And he lists earthly kingdoms in the description of when the eternal kingdom would be established.

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In fact- Which is why he could just pull a quote out of numbers and knew he was talking about it.

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And this guy doesn't want to have anything to do with the world. All right, so we're out of time, but we've got a perfect cliffhanger leaving our place. John 3.16, the most famous verse ever.

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The answer will come next time on Unashamed. What a cliffhanger. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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Well, and certainly the people that I've had conversations with when I'm out on the road of just people who connected with us on our podcast. And they tell me their stories, their own personal walk and finding of Christ, but then what we're providing here in these Bible discussions is in essence, a discipleship training program for what it means for new believers.

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And I take that, I mean, we're very humbled to be able to do that. And I tell people all the time, you know, even the three of us without dad have a lot of combined experience of studying and teaching the word of God. And so we take that as a huge responsibility. I mean, we like to have fun. This is a Robertson style Bible study, but at the same time,

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what we're doing with the scripture and how we're approaching it. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but we all speak publicly as well. I treat our podcast and our time together just like I would if I was presenting a sermon or teaching a series at a church or whatever.

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And he seeks us. He's seeking, but he seeks those who are seeking truth. That's the interesting part about it. He is the one doing the seeking, and he's looking for those who are looking for answers.

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And so there were different Christian leaders on all the continents of the earth at the same time.

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I wanted to read another prophecy because Jace got me to thinking about it when he was in the last podcast in Amos. And there's another one that, again, I think most people have always looked at this and went all the way forward to the end of time. because, again, the heading says the day of judgment. So everybody's like, oh, yeah, well, that's got to be the final coming of Christ.

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But think about it if this were talking about what we've been studying in John 2. Listen to what he says. This is the mouth kind. Now, this is before he gets to the end. This is right at the end. Before we then have these moments of silence, then we get to Matthew. This is Malachi 3. See, I will send my messenger who will prepare the way for me. Well, we know who that is.

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That's John the Baptist because he's going to explain that clearly in chapter 4 of Malachi. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple. The messenger of the covenant whom you desire will come, says the Lord Almighty. Listen to this. But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? Everybody's like, yeah, that's got to be the end of time.

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For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap. He will sit as refiner and purifier of silver. He will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Sounds a lot like somebody come in and turn it over tables and saying, no, no, you're getting wrong. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness.

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And the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the Lord as in the days gone by as in the former years. So if you just imagine the possibility of that happening when Jesus actually came to the earth and what he did by flipping the temple and saying, I am the temple, it would change your entire perspective over now the time that we live in.

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We're still looking forward to the final coming of Christ, but we're just saying that these passages seem a lot, they make a lot more sense if it happened in the day of Jesus.

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Have you ever seen that when you're leaving the airport, Jace, and you look around and there's people waiting on their Ubers. They're looking at their phones. They're just like, oh, if I could only get a ride.

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I do remember Jace wearing it because I was thinking to myself, whoo, that is one ugly woman. Anyway.

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Right there at it. He would if he could, Jason. I'll tell you that right now.

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I think we started it. Jersey Joe's in the house.

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Jace, here's some proof that what you're saying is right. We just got a new ad script that we did today. And halfway through the ad script, I've never seen this before. Whoever sent this said, slow down.

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I'm sorry I brought it up. Thank you, Zach. Thank you, Jason.

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One more thing before we get to our study today, because we've got to get back to John 1. But I do want to mention, Jersey, since you're on the podcast, that you have been heading up our Unashamed Bible Study that we do at WFR. We do it every Sunday. And once a month on the first Sunday of the month, We've been doing a guest Robertson, we call it. I think I did the first one in January.

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Jace was last week. And we try to get one of us in there just so you guys can meet us because we know that's part of it. And just to tell you how much we love you guys because a lot of visitors come in. And so once a month we do kind of a special one. But I just want to tell you, you've been doing a great job. You picked up the mantle. Dad obviously can't do the class.

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He does come every once in a while just to observe and give that thumbs up. But I just want to tell you thanks for that. And I want to let the audience know, we love it when you guys come. We encourage you to do that. Sometimes people get baptized. Sometimes they rededicate their lives.

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Zach, would you double his contributing salary? I'm sure he will. I want to say that only.

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I say double it because two times zero is still zero. I was going to say that.

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Worship leader? You're talking about a?

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I remember it. And also by nature, Jase, I've learned through the years of ministry that most worship leaders want to speak. And most preachers want to sing.

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Oh, did a birdie tell you that?

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When people are listening to the podcast... they're getting, you know, hours and hours of what Zach just talked about in us painting this picture, whatever text we're in, it keeps coming back to the same central theme. And so when they come to WFR, usually it's what I call to make the proclamation of intention. In other words,

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They're making their call that, look, I want to be a part of that kingdom. I want to be a part of this. I want to build and help other people know about what I now figured out. So that's why I love the idea. It's just an entry point into something now that has motivated a heart to make a life change, which is powerful.

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So, Joe, did your little birdie tell you that I might have been waiting until you came on the podcast to tell you face to face? You know.

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Well, one of the things, though, that differentiates what Jason was describing is in 1, 12, and 13, is all those other decisions, whether it's your bloodline, a decision of a husband and wife, all these you don't make. Your bloodline, the decision for two adult people to procreate and bring you into the, you didn't make a decision for any of that. But when you're born of God,

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you make a decision to follow God. You're making that decision. That's how you're born. It's like when someone wants to come here to America, maybe they're from some other country and man, they want to get here so bad. They want to become a citizen.

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And we've had a lot of this idea of immigration, a lot of issues, but there's always been an opening for people who weren't born of the American blood, not American parents or grandparents, but want to get here. Why? Because they want to be citizens of this country. and what that brings to them.

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That's a very small scale compared to what it means to be born of God, because you can do that from anywhere in the world. You don't have to be of a certain country, of a certain race, a certain gender, none of those things. This is truly an opportunity for all who have been called, who have been sought out by Christ, to now choose to be a part of Him.

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So here's what I think is fascinating. And you brought Joe into the conversation, Jason. So Joe received a call from, from the Almighty. He wasn't sure what it was, but that's what it was. He was being sought out because he just knew. He knew that things weren't right with him, with his family. Joe, I'm just speaking for you, but if I'm wrong, correct me.

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And then he was like, I need to answer this call, but I'm not sure how to do that. He winds up feeling like God wanted to reposition him in Louisiana because he had met us through the podcast and through the show and other means. He wanted to learn. He wanted to know more.

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And so he changed locations from the place he grew up, people he loves, to come to a country that he knew nothing about, Louisiana. And it's interesting, after five years, he's now as Louisiana as any of us with a Jersey flair. But more importantly,

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He is now a born again son of the Almighty, as well as his family who now have followed his lead, not only to come here, but more importantly, to come to Christ. And so I just think that's a picture of anywhere. I mean, it doesn't have to be Westman or Louisiana or some other place, but that's the idea. Christ seeks us out.

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So, I mean, I think as we're about to get into these first disciples being called, it goes on even to this day.

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But you also showed, Jase, from that example, that most people aren't going to come to that realization unless where they are is challenged. This woman who was there had all these personal issues, had all these issues that Jesus just, I mean. Yeah, that's the next box to be checked. Exactly. He easily brought those out.

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But I find that fascinating because most people, and we used Joe as an example earlier, they don't come to that place just by natural order. Something supernatural has to break through to them that they need this.

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So we're out of time. Joe, it's always a pleasure having you on. The builder of studios, the duck intern, and now the contributor on Unashamed Podcast. Zach, Joe has done so well today. I think we should triple his salary. I've decided tripling his salary needs to happen.

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I'm going to have business cards made. So thanks, Joe, for coming on. Thanks for all you do for the kingdom. We'll see you next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.

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So let me just say officially that Jersey Joe, along with my grandson-in-law, Joey... They transformed a six by eight foot closet in my lower room into the unashamed lair. And they did an excellent job. You see behind me the background they put up. They put some Wayne's code in here. A fantastic job.

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And more than anything else, Joe, who is an expert in all things IT, he got my Internet lined up because that was the biggest issue down here. It's hard to get reliable Internet. So, Joe, this is your official appreciation since you brought it up. I'm warm inside.

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No. So I got one question for Joe because I just want to get his take on it because we spent a lot of time talking post-duck season.

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about jace's new mentoring program of of the duck boys and buck boys and we've been trying to figure all that out but joe you actually are part of that group yeah even though you're not a boy you're like a 50 year old man but if you miss if you miss the podcast i put you in that category you put me as a duck boy

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Would he consider Jace a Duck intern maybe? Has he moved up to intern status?

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Jase, do you remember you told the story about the one time Jersey pulled the boat in 100 yards or something? Because the water was shallow. Do you remember that story?

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Well, of course, it's me. But it was really interesting because you rarely see two adult men walk into a room wearing the exact same thing. It was awkward, but I will say this.

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I didn't even feel weird about it, and the reason why is because Cozy Earth gives you the coziest feel of anything I've ever worn, and I have to be honest, I cannot wait to get home in the afternoon, early evening, not have anything going on that night, and to get into my Cozy Earth pajama.

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People that have produced us tend to think it may be better to melt into the wall. then become part of our operation. So Zach's right. They're not sure exactly, but Maddie has come in like a fresh flower and, And we love her. She keeps us in line. There's nothing to keep old men in line better than a young woman who loves what she does and is good at it. So we love Maddie.

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Which is interesting because dad took that to another level. And we used to teach this a little bit back when we were first getting started. And we had that big house in town, you and Missy had your little house on Swiss street because we were teaching people how to teach other people. And so dad came up with this directional dialogue concept and he would use Jesus as an example.

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You know why? Because it's not beautific enough for you.

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And Jesus would confront, you know, the Pharisees or the scribes or teachers of the law. He was really teaching the people and the disciples. The lessons he was teaching were to them, but the confrontation was this way. And that's exactly the way dad would do it. Remember, he would confront somebody.

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If he was going to confront somebody, like he had a problem with Zach about something, he was sitting there, he would look at Jace and say, Jace, what's the deal with Zach? I mean, he's, you know, and then he would start talking about Zach and what Zach had been doing, but he's doing it to Jace. Oh, exactly. Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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One of my favorite dad directional dialogue confrontation moments came at Louisiana Tech University on the night they were honoring Bradshaw and dad. And I was there, of course, and it helped put it together. Dad didn't want to go. And I was like, Dad, they're honoring you. Bradshaw's going to be there. It's an opportunity. He's going to interview you.

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It's an opportunity to a big audience to talk about the gospel. So he agreed to do it. And we were up in the coach's office. And they had Dad and Bradshaw signing stuff, as you'd expect. And the president of the university walks in with his little entourage. And everybody kind of quiets down. But Dad and Bradshaw just keep talking. And everybody else kind of got quiet.

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And so they finally looked up like, oh, we've got a moment here. And so the president does this whole thing. Thank you, Terry and Phil, for coming back. And your legacy here at Louisiana Tech University. And he gives a little speech. And he says, we just want to take tonight as an opportunity. And we haven't said this publicly, but we want to recognize Phil as

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As the 2014 alumnus of the year at Louisiana Tech University. And everybody claps, you know. And dad's just looking. Cigar store Indian look. He doesn't react. Nothing, you know. And so he looks over at me. And I thought, uh-oh. Because I've seen this before. So in this moment, you know, and he looks at me and he says, Al, you remember when we were fishing on the Ouachita River? Yeah.

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And now it's quiet, you know, because everybody's not sure, is he responding to the thing or is he? I said, yes, sir. He said, do you remember what we were getting for buffalo and catfish down there on the river? 30 cents a pound. 30 cents a pound. And I said, yes, sir. He said, do you remember anybody from Louisiana Tech calling me and saying, you are something great? Yeah.

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And so I'm like, no, I don't remember that. And so now they're kind of nervous chuckle, you know, like, is he kidding? Is he like, cause you know, you're trying to figure out the moment. He said, all it took for me to go from an idiot to a genius was one television show. He said, now everybody loves me. What do you think about that Alex? I think it's great, Dad. And so everybody's just laughing.

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And then Bradshaw saved the day when he jumped in. He says, Phil, they don't care about any of that stuff. They're just recognizing you, so you'll give them a big fat check. You got money now, son. So it all came off as a joke. But Dad was not kidding. He was confronting the establishment in the moment. And it was just his way of doing it. But it's one of my all-time favorites.

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I'm not going to listen to that yet now.

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Not yet now. Not yet now. Maybe in about a year they'll figure it out. It'll be, well, right now. Then we can go.

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So that alumnus award that's still hanging in the Louisiana Tech Hall of Fame down in Reston. His plaque is a picture of him with the beard and the bandana, and it says, Duck Hunting Icon, Television Personality, Servant of Christ. And I looked on the whole wall, and no one else mentions the name of Jesus except for one guy. Wow. And so that tells you all you need to know about what's important.

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So we're in Colossians 3, and we kind of began to get here when we had Mac on, because he had had a couple of verses out here, and Jay, she read some.

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But before we jump into that, we never actually read those last three or four verses to tie off that idea before, because he was talking about freedom is how he introduced this thought, that Jesus is Lord, and we started in 2.6, down through the end of the chapter. And he says, and this sets up what we're going to be talking about today.

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He says in verse 20, because remember he talked about the certain days and there are all these things that this mysticism and legalism and ceremonialism and a lot of isms that we've added to that. But he was basically saying, you died to that. And he gets in verse 20, he says, you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world.

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And that's really what we're going to be talking about for the next 30 verses or so. as though you still belong to it. He says, then he says, why, as though you still belong to it, do you submit to its rules? Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch. And he could have added 50 more. These are all destined to perish with use because they are based on human commands and teachings.

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Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence, which he makes an interesting point because this is what Jesus has been talking about the whole time. That's why his favorite word when he talked to these people was hypocrite.

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And you say this, but you live like this. And so that was his whole point as he leads into that. And so then that leads into Colossians chapter three, which we're going to be talking about his lifestyle. So, Jason, if you want to read that section.

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Right.

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Once I heard not yet, I'm like... I wish we'd have brought this up on the last podcast that Missy was on because I would have loved to have heard a response to that.

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Right at the section. And I like that it ends that section with the idea of worship. Yeah. That that's what naturally comes out of a fulfilled life. You know, when you don't have the empties, you have the fulfillment. That becomes a natural thing for us to do. Yeah. And that's good times or bad.

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There's a lot of personal trauma here, Brandon. You may turn into a counselor because many times we start talking about holidays and Zach goes into the fetal position and starts calling for daddy. So Zach, we have a... We haven't been in the studio for a while, so I just was reminded we still have your hunk of silver here. Si gave back. Yeah, that's right. He gave it back because he got him one.

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It reminds me so much of the argument he makes in Romans 6, 7, and 8. He makes the same argument he's making here. When you have freedom, you also have freedom from the old life. I mean, that's the extension of what he's talking about because that enslaves you and traps you. This lifestyle that he's describing, trust me, It may look like freedom. It's not freedom.

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If you're living these things he's talked about with the sensuality and the reactions and always bitter, always lying, always wondering, did I tell this truth, that truth? Living in constant fear that my lies are going to catch up. Everything he mentions here is an entrapment of an old way of life. And he said, look, you've been freed from it. The newness that you have in Christ, you've left that.

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Why would you ever want to go back?

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And so it's two ounces of silver. I don't know what silver is an ounce now.

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Yeah, and it's an idea of a new life. I like that in verse 3 and 4, the word life there, zoe, is the Greek word, and it's used all over the New Testament and the Gospels, but it's the same one that John uses in John 1, 4, when he's talking about Jesus. In him was life, Zoe, and that Zoe was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

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But I don't know. It says, Zach, the people that sent it from Lubbock said, I watch and I listen. I hear your passion and I'm blessed. Seeds are being planted. So that was his little message to you. I don't think I ever read that. But we do appreciate the silver. We're holding this as a ransom until we get our gold back. Yeah.

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And then he talks about him actually coming to earth as being that life. And so the idea is, is the same life that Christ lived, we now embrace and become a part of that life. That's why he says we are hidden in him. So those Zoes combine and collide. And what a beautiful thing for us to be able to know that. that we have that in him.

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I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome to Unashamed. Zach has started us off with a big word that Jason is now looking up. For those of you that...

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Well, it's like my magnus opus, Jase. It's just like the way I roll.

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And that's the key from the John 1. He brought that life here. for us to be able to experience it. I mean, that's what we get to do because of him.

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Yeah, and it's the only thing on earth other than our relationship with him, which is heaven and earth, where two become one, as you described, into this life. And I think that's why he uses these phrases, you know, your hearts and your mind. He puts them here, and it made me think about that commandment that he said, you know, love the Lord your God with all your heart. mind, soul, and strength.

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The essence of who you are at every element is what makes this relationship work. And the closest thing we do have is our relationship with our spouse, but even it pales. compared to this one. And one makes the other so much better.

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I mean, you think about it, if you can get this right with Jesus, with this hidden life in Christ, think about how much that makes your life with your spouse and then the legacy that you leave with your children, grandchildren and beyond to continue the process, which of course is where he's going later in this text as well.

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Yeah, and I think the mistake a lot of people make is they try to empty the tank before they allow God to fill them instead of the other way around. In other words, once I'm filled, once I know who Christ is, once the spirit of God is living in me and I have something of substance, then the emptying can begin because the fulfillment comes first.

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Yeah.

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And so I think so many people look the other way around. They say, well, you know, just give me some time. Let me work on some things in my life. Let me get some things right. And then I'm going to come and show up and man, it's going to be gangbusters. And you're like, man, dude, you're going to be waiting a long time if you're trying to clear out

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And he's had this for a few years. It's just gotten a lot worse. Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly. All right, we're out of time. You brought out a lot there. There's a lot more I want to say about it. So we're going to save that for the next podcast. We'll have our response.

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And he misses it. He misses the stories we tell because he called me recently. You know, it's like anybody with Alzheimer's and you guys, a lot of you out there in Unashamed Nation know this. You have good days and bad days. So. Uh, there is the same with dad. There'll be some days he's a little better, you know, a little more with you and other days, not so much.

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Yeah.

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And if he were here, you know what he would say, boys, the resurrection looms large as you get nearer and nearer the end. So, you know, we're not worried in that sense with him, but it's just one of those things we have to deal with. So just to let you guys know in the audience, because we haven't said much because we've just been kind of waiting to see what happens.

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I've used the word beautiful. Have you ever used the word beautific?

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Well, look, this podcast has always been about being unashamed. And Dad's the most unashamed person I've ever known. And he's now passed that legacy on to us. And so everything we do is, you know, he's always here. So I always say that he may not be on set, but the field chair is always there.

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Right.

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Well, I tell Zach that when great men and women – get to a point where they're not what they once were, you know, it's hard then to make that decision about when do you kind of pull back and you're not out there doing what you used to do.

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And I think about Ronald Reagan when I went to his library out in California, because I'm a big Reagan guy and obviously had a big impact on me and his political influence. And When you go through his life and his career and really interesting, and you get to the very end, they have this room that's kind of your last stop in the library.

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And Reagan wrote a letter when he got to the point with his Alzheimer's that he knew he couldn't function like he used to. So he was going to kind of step back from the public eye. And he reads that letter. You know, he was still well enough at the time, which was such a great gift to people that loved him.

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But when he was doing it, you know, you're in tears because you're just like, man, you realize that when you get to this point, you're saying, you know, I'm not what I once was. And so I kind of feel that way with Dad. He didn't write a letter. his letter lives on in us. And so that's the beauty of sharing the gospel and impacting people is that never stops, generation to generation to generation.

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So that's the beauty there. We are the living letter for dad.

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So, Zach, introduce your guest.

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That helped degasp WFR with some of this.

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Yeah, I'll never forget it.

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Because his assumption was God sent you here. Exactly. And so when he feels that way, so everybody's open to the same dialogue.

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It was like he's told the bodybuilder that time. He said, son, you've got quite a physique. And the guy pumps up, you know, instantly just the muscles.

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In the parking lot. He said, you've got quite the physique. And the guy's like, yeah. And he said, how are you getting it out of the ground? I was standing right beside him. I mean, that's the ultimate lie. He said, if you want to know how, come down to the house. The next day, here he comes.

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And by the way, dad didn't know his name, so he just called him Bumba.

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He said, hey, Bumba. And the guy was like, yeah, that's me, which is another trait of dad. He just gives you a name, and that becomes your name. He named Connor.

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So that became his name was No Name. A couple of times I said, Dad, his name is Connor. He said, yeah, No Name.

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It's a good point, though, when you think about – the story of humanity, like we read back the Old Testament and the New Testament even, and we think, man, look at these idols, look at the things they worshipped, and we're like, man, that sounds so stupid. But it's only because we are looking back with hindsight this 2020, but if you think about

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where we're at now in our current cultural moment, we've just gotten more sophisticated at basically building the same exact structure. It's like the Tower of Babel over and over and over again. We've just gotten more sophisticated in how we tell that story. And I think right now, maybe this transhumanism movement

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It seems very sophisticated, but it's really just the same old thing as humanism, which is really just the same old thing as idolatry from the Old Testament. It's the same thing. It's just that we want to be in charge and we don't want to submit to Jason's point to this God.

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And I think that's why John 5 is so powerful because where Batman said, you know, we're going to get you in the mud with us for a little while. Jesus does get into the mud with us. But he doesn't do it to conquer us. He does it to allow us to conquer him, which is, that's the thing that just blows your mind when you read the gospel. It's a God that condescends and then suffers.

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This is Philippians 2. And then ultimately dies, and not just dies, dies on a cross, which was not an honorable death. And then he went and preached to the spirits in prison. So you think about the descent that Jesus went to, it's absolutely mind-boggling that that's the method through which victory would come.

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Oh, it's not a cuss word. I'm a child of the 90s. If you grew up in the 90s, I graduated high school in the late 90s. That was part of the American folklore. It's part of the zeitgeist of our time. I mean, we grew up using that language, saying it.

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Yeah, it's kind of funny because there's kind of like two types of people in the world. Like if I'm in this, you think two types of people in this situation, they see this man get healed. I think everybody's going to probably ask the question, who is the guy that healed you? But there's two different ways you can ask that question. Who is the guy that healed you?

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Because I want to go meet that guy because I want to get healed. Or who's the guy that healed you? I want to go and shut him down because he's messed up the apple cart. So it's the motivation of wanting to know who Jesus was. And really it goes back to they wanted to know, who was it that was disturbing and disrupting their authority structure?

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That's the thing that's happening here is who's messing this up, which is why they say because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. And in defense, Jesus said to them, my father is always at his work. at his work to this very day, and I to him working. And so for this reason, they tried all the more to kill him.

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Not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own father, making himself equal with God. And if you think about like, what is this? Like, does this happen today? I mean, we've all been in ministry long enough that if you're in a church, I've been in churches and in ministries where the Holy Spirit started to move. And it starts messing up things like traditions.

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It starts messing up, you know, whether you have, you know, my grandfather paid for that pew in, you know, 1947. And y'all want to read the dumbest stuff that people will get mad about. But you see it. It's like it's like a move of the spirit. And then we get people get nervous. Religious people get nervous about that because we lose. We lose our power. We lose our authority.

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We lose our our own air quote sovereignty. Yeah, we lose that.

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Well, I agree. But you guys remember that I went through a phase – With your brother in college where we tried to act a little gangster. Oh, I remember. I remember it well.

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Yeah. Layla went there for college for a year and then Max did their online program when he was in high school.

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We'll do that when we get to the end, because then I won't have to worry about us getting canceled.

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Not many. Not many. There was no Jesus. We got busted. And then you guys invoked this concept. Well, we dyed our hair white, if you guys remember. Jeff's was more orange because he has darker hair than mine. And then we had our ears pierced. We were not living for Jesus. And there was what, I think there's a term I didn't know until it happened called tough love.

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When the families got involved, my parents, Phil and Kevin.

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I was just going to say, yeah, I think it's good to think about when he says that the son's going to give life. It's just the son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. But life is not just a description of quantity. It's a description of quality and how we relate and get to actually be in community with the triune God.

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We're getting invited into a relationship that's perfect and pure and holy and good. And that's the vibrancy that we're all, that's the connection. He is the prize in the end. So I think that that's why it's not just, can't just be contained to like, you know, living forever. Because it says here about the resurrection, if you notice what he says here,

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is that there's two types of people that will be resurrected.

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Yeah, in 28, he says the resurrection, one will be raised to judgment, the other will be raised to life. And so that's important to think about. It's not just the resurrection. It's what is the quality of life that you're being saved into. Life is defined not as existence, right? Life is defined as knowing the one true God, being in relationship, being connected, being whole.

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And I think that's the big, that's the hard thing that we're trying to accomplish in our study of the scriptures is to try to see the way the gospels seem to describe eternal life. It's not something that I, I'd say a prayer, check, boom. I had the magic password now, and I get into eternal existence. That doesn't seem to be the picture that the Scripture is pointing to.

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What the Scripture is pointing to is I have a deep God-shaped hole in my heart and a longing that I can't satisfy except for the fact that God enters in and says, I will fill that hole in your heart because only I can fit in there, and I'm going to come and live inside people now. That's the picture of life.

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Because we did. We came in a little bit late, and then we walked down the aisle all the way to the front left. So the whole church, a thousand people, it was captive. What in the world are Jeff and Zach doing?

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Yeah, I wasn't living for Jesus when I was trying to be the OG. Me and Jet were trying to be the OG. So we repented. I do wear a flat belt hat sometimes, which I saw one of the brutal comments on the YouTube page told me to quit wearing costumes.

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Yeah. The end of Ezekiel 37, if you look at the last verse, it has language. It's very similar to, the indwellment of the Holy Spirit, the temple language that we use a lot, that God's going to make us home in humans now. He says that at the end of Ezekiel chapter 37. He says it's going to make us home in the people now. And so when you're reading it, you read about Israel.

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I think it's important to go back and also read Paul's words in Romans 9 to help us get a better understanding of what he means by Israel in the grand scheme of things. Paul says this in Romans chapter 9. And I won't pontificate it. I'll just read to you what Paul says.

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In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. It's the children of the promise.

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Yes, it's a kind of a re-understanding of Israel because he said in verse 6 of Romans 9, It's not as though God's word had failed for not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. nor because they are his descendants are they Abraham's children. On the contrary, it is through Isaac that your offspring shall be reckoned.

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What do you call him, Elmer Fudd? But that's not a flat bill hat. That's actually a Filson hat, which is a hunting brand.

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In other words, it's not the children of the physical descent who are God's children, but the children of the promise. And so we start thinking about what does Israel mean? This is not replacement theology because there is like Jews and Gentiles.

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Which is everyone who are now God's children, if you are a children of the promise, which means if you are a child of faith, we are saved by faith and faith alone.

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What does Paul say? In Christ there is neither slave nor free, male nor female, Greek or Jew or Gentile or Israel. We don't make the distinction in Christ. And so I think that that's wild.

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I didn't want to air the dirty laundry on the podcast. But, I mean, yes, there were other things going on. that I will not speak of today.

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Well, you know what, Jace? I actually went into that setting before I kind of went off the deep end. I went in as a missionary to help your brother, and he ended up captivating me with his sinful lifestyle. So it's really Jep's fault. I really want to blame it on Jep. And he's not here to defend himself, so I have to have him on the podcast, let him defend himself.

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He wasn't worn off. He was the OG.

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But I went in with good motives. But, you know, the Bible says be careful when you rebuke someone.

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Exactly. He was more of a leader than you think. He had a little following.

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Yeah, that's how I meant it.

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Yeah, I didn't mean that Cole was originally selling drugs and gaming. He's never been in a game.

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Because you're saying that definition came from artificial intelligence about how to be authentic, which by the very definition that it came from, artificial intelligence means it's not authentic.

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So they're not called AI. AI is not OG is what you're telling me.

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It's not real. It's not real. It's not real. There's a bigger discussion around AI that we need to have at some point. I think that this whole transhumanist kind of movement that's emerging and it's kind of scary. I think it has implications on... Well, you need to read your Bibles.

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All the Greek gods, too. Think about all the stories of Zeus and Apollos and all these Greek gods. But where it's different is, yes, there's a deity to these gods, and then there's a humanity as well. But their humanity, well, two things that stick out to me is, one, their deity is not all-powerful. They're limited in their power, all of them.

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Superman was limited in his power because Kryptonite could take him down. But the God of the Bible is unlimited in his power. He's unlimited in his sovereignty. He's unlimited in his self-sufficient, self-sustaining, self-referential, fully aware of himself. He's wholly other than. He doesn't need anything. He can't be defeated. He can't be conquered. So that's missing in all the other gods.

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And then on the humanity side, they tend to focus on the fallen nature of humanity. So you have a God that's limited in power mixed with kind of the corruption of humanity. And in the God of the Bible, you have unlimited power embodied in in a body that is completely pure. There's no sin. There's no depravity. There's no immorality. He's completely moral and good and perfect.

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That's like a crazy contrast because you have the transcendent and the imminent in a way that doesn't make sense to the human mind.

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But what you're seeing in a lot of these contexts of relationships, what he is talking about is maybe more of an economic situation. And he's talking about what does our response look like, which is what he's actually saying is overturning probably a lot of the cultural norms of the time.

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Yeah. I think when you try to interpret the Bible outside of the framework that, well, Paul gives a lot of help in this. But think about that when we did Ephesians. And in Ephesians 2, 14 through 16, it says this. And I think this is a great context to read the Scripture through. that for he himself, talking about Jesus, is our peace.

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That's the same language he uses in Colossians, the centrality or the reality, however, is found in Christ. For he himself is our peace. Who has made, you say, well, we need peace. Well, here's why, because there's division. Who has made the two groups one. and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility by setting aside in his flesh the law with his commands and regulations.

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His purpose, here's the purpose of Christ right here, was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, out of the Jew and the Gentile, thus making peace. And in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross by which he put to death their hostility.

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I read that and I don't even I mean, this would be the argument that I would have made if I was living in the times of the abolishment of slavery or the civil rights movement. This would have been the best argument right here. But it also is the best argument against like the critical theories that have emerged over the years that seek to take people and put them into two separate groups.

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The gospel has a way of erasing all of that and bringing different ethnic groups, different genders, different all types of backgrounds into one. kingdom into one people group, which according to Paul is, was the purpose that he created us, was to create one new humanity.

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I believe Grove city college, but he, he writes about this in a book called the rise and triumph of the modern self. And one of the things that he talks about a lot is that, that what's happened over the last, I mean, he takes it all the way back to like a French philosopher way back when during the French revolution, but he brings it kind of through the whole progression of how we got there.

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But, but his point, one of his main points is, is that what, The current way this has manifested itself is to separate people based on their oppressed status. And one of those would be race. And then you can determine truth by how many times you have an intersection of your oppressive status.

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And what I think that's done is it's actually separated people who may have actually done life together, but now that they're not allowed to do life together because there's these different cultural dynamics and different things that we have to separate. I read the Bible and it seems to be the entire progression of biblical history is that God had an intention all the way back to the prophets.

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He had an intention of all of the nations. Every nation coming up that hill to worship the one true God. It was the purpose of the temple. He wants all the nations. And so anything that I look at that would seek to divide the nations, that would seek to divide people groups based on, their ethnic status and separate us.

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I'm going to, I'm going to push back against that and say that it's not in line with the, I'm going to say that was, that's from the evil one.

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You had, uh, I think what you said, uh, or what, uh, I know you're talking about. And, uh, he said that you had referenced Tim Keller in that and who's gone on to be with the Lord and then, and, and, uh, many others like my mom. And, and, and, you know, it's, I think it was kind of a, he said, you guys are, how did he say it? He said something about, uh,

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you know, uh, people, the people, a lot of those people have passed and are fading fast. So I feel like you guys are casting those nets now. Um, which was a huge compliment. Right.

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And then I think that's the thing about like, like the ministry of the gospel is never about one man or it literally just, it gets passed down from generation to generation to generation going all the way back to a man named Jesus. I mean, he, he started all this, you know, and, And we're just 2,000 years out in a lineage of just gospel presenters. And it really is an honor.

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Nobody can talk like that anymore.

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I think when you get into these texts, if you're interpreting them as like, you said this in a previous podcast on Colossians and a subheading, These are not to be interpreted as rules for how we're supposed to live, but rather descriptive of life in the kingdom, which is a rule of life, but it's not like a rule.

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And so when you get to this concept of slavery, I mean, you had mentioned this earlier. I just want to reiterate that you mentioned in 1 Timothy 1, the New Testament and the Old Testament actually clearly claim slavery as an evil. In fact, in Exodus 21, it says anyone who kidnaps and sells a person into slavery is and has them should be put to death. That's Old Testament.

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And then in that 1 Timothy 1 passage, he says that slave traders are not, that's contrary to sound doctrine. And it's not biblical. It's not moral. And so the Bible never condones the type of slavery that we talk about in the transatlantic slave operation, for example.

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And I do think that that power of your life and your testimony that you and Paula have lived, y'all have impacted me and Jill a lot. And the verse that popped up in my mind was Revelation 12, 11. that the way they ever came in was by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony. And I think, man, it is that it is a drip. And I think there's retreats, which I went on one.

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are so impactful because there's confession, there's repentance, there's testimony, and there's just a surrendering spirit to the Holy Spirit. And man, that's pretty cool to hear your story about your son-in-law. I know that's got to be such a relief for you.

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Yeah, so the answer here would be, Basically, I wrote it. Yeah. I don't have to study it when I wrote it.

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That's actually really interesting because if you think about, it almost seems contradictory to what I just said, but it's not because Jesus is both God and man. And so in his humanity, he's answering, but he also claims to be God. And so this is a very interesting thing, this incarnated God in the one we know as Jesus. He says later on in John 17 that I am the Father that were one.

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And so if he receives this word from his father, the one who sent him, and then later claims to be one with the father, then we could also say that this word came from him. In the beginning was the word. The word was with God. The word was God.

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Oh, yeah, everything grows. Do you guys like filming outdoors?

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Go ahead, Zach. I got to roll. I'm kind of early, but I want to make this point. I'm going to drop the mic here. I'm going to say the point, drop the mic, and leave because I have to drive to Nashville. Here's where this gets interesting, because he's engaging in temple activity here. And you brought up the temple earlier. If you read Ezekiel 47, you'll get a vision that Ezekiel had.

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And the vision that Ezekiel has of the temple, guess what's flowing out of the temple?

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A river. A river that flows out of the temple that brings life to everything that it touches. And then the prophet Isaiah in chapter 12 says, With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation. So imagine the connection here. This is the connection here that I think was happening. Out of the temple flows water that gives life to creation. Now listen to this. In Genesis 2, verse 10.

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Ever look this verse a lot, but it's so key because the original temple was the garden. That was the original temple. And listen to the verse 10. A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden. And there basically it divided and became four rivers. But we read that and we don't realize that why this matters is because

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Wherever the center of the temple is at, where God's presence is at, that's where the river of life, the stream, it'll be the spring of the river. And I know this because I know how this works because I grew up in North Florida. We have all these natural springs, and they all have what's called a boil where the water comes out of the ground where the river begins.

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It's the source of the river, and then the river flows from that spring. So then you have that in the garden. You have that in... Ezekiel's vision of the temple. And then later what happens is we become the temple where the Holy Spirit indwells now the believer. And what was Jesus' instruction to the woman at the well?

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That if you drink the water that I had to give you, that will become a spring in you welling up to eternal life. So now I'm a temple of the Holy Spirit. Why? Because the water of life is in me. There's a spring in me. inside the human body now that produces life and waters the garden. I think that's pretty powerful.

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I'll clean this up. We'll clean it up.

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Ambient. So ambient was actually a drug called. Or is a drug for sleep.

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Don't do it. Don't do it. It's not helpful. So the word ambiance or ambience, you could spell it. According to Google, you can spell it with an A-N-C-E or E-N-C-E. Okay. Both would be the same. I thought A-N-C-E. Ambience. The character is the character and atmosphere of a place. So spell the whole word for me. A-M-B-I-E-N-C-E.

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Well, I mean, it's a derivative, right? So think about what's around you. It's the space around you. Covering all sides. That's what it is. It's what fills the room. It sounds like the man who created our atmosphere here.

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Well, my point, the point I wanted to get to was are you enjoying the space? Because no one's ever told me if you are. I'm just curious if you are enjoying the new space.

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So Al, you are kind of taking your health serious now. Are you going to the doctor on a regular basis?

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I said, well, I'm glad to be in that company. Did you tell him what happened three years later? He got to be careful, brother.

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So are you using the crappie magnet? Do you use the crappie magnet? You better believe it.

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What's interesting as you're talking about that, John, I was thinking – Because I'll drift into the more intellectual side of things, as Jace points out every time he uses a big word. And I studied for years all the apologetics, all the arguments, and very helpful for me, by the way. I'm not diminishing that at all.

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But you know how many people that I brought to Christ through some kind of tightened up argument? The answer would be zero. I've led zero people to Christ. And I do think it's important. But what's interesting is I've seen people come to Christ out of a place of a broken spirit and a contrite heart, which the psalmist says the Lord will not despise.