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Ep 1061 | Jase Dismantles Major Misconceptions About Baptism — What It Is & What It Definitely Isn't
Fri, 21 Mar 2025
Jase declares that he felt a swell of American pride when he heard about Elon Musk’s rescue of the stranded space crew, even though he thinks Heaven will be way more fun than space travel. Al reveals his caveman roots with a single word, and the guys explore the myth of “big” and “small” works for Christ, though such things can never be measured in this life. Zach proposes that shame and pride are merely two sides of the same coin, not opposites. Plus, how did Jesus baptize people into His death, burial, and resurrection before it even happened? In this episode: John 3, verses 22-30; John 4, verse 2; 1 Corinthians 1, verse 12; 1 Corinthians 12, verse 12; 1 Corinthians 15, verse 19 “Unashamed” Episode 1061 is sponsored by: https://smartcredit.com/phil — Get a 7-day trial for just $1, see how many points you can add to your credit score! https://tomorrowclubs.org/unashamed — Bring hope to kids in some of the darkest corners of the world. Help us hit our goal of 1,200 new Tomorrow Clubs members this month! https://homechef.com/unashamed — Get 18 Free Meals, Free Dessert for Life, and Free Shipping on your first box! https://fastgrowingtrees.com/unashamed — Save up to half-off on select plants and when you use code UNASHAMED at checkout you’ll get an additional 15% off! Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What misconceptions about baptism does Jase discuss?
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. As I was looking next door, I saw the women going into the duck hall room. So it made me curious. The women? Well, just some women. Some women. Yeah, I wasn't even sure exactly who they were, and I thought, what are they pulling off next door? Because now they've started filming earlier when we film, sometime.
Yeah.
And I go over there, and they're having an all-women... Duck call room special. I don't know if it was a fishing day.
Yeah, that means they all got something they wanted to do. The guys. So the guys are not on it.
The guys are not on it. And so you got Martin's wife is in there, Brittany. I saw Bella. who's not really related to the podcast other than we love Bella, Willie's daughter. And my wife was there, which I guess that was to bring some class to the proceedings. Well, you're not even on that podcast. My parting line to Hunter, who's their producer, I said, well, it didn't work well for Ghostbusters.
See, I don't know what that means.
Well, he laughed, which I figured he would get it because they remade Ghostbusters, but it was all women. Oh, really? Yeah. I must have missed that. Yeah, I did too.
The fact that you didn't get it, Jace, is evidence that that's the thing.
I don't think I should be viewed as some kind of cultural... Guru. I'm not sure what's happening. Pop culture reference.
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Chapter 2: How does pride and shame relate to our faith?
And some of these now, these new telescopes that when you look at them, the Webb telescope and some of these new things, It is incredible what we can see.
I mean... Oh, it's way bigger. Yeah, the beautiful... We think it's one thing, and then you get to the edge of that. Oh, wait, it actually goes on.
They just had this... I saw this one picture recently, and there's all these galaxies, spiral galaxies. There's just one picture of all of them. He's saying a galaxy, ours is so big, we couldn't get across it in multiple lifetimes. And you're looking at... like I guess billions, millions, billions, I don't know how you'd count them, of galaxies like ours out there.
I mean, you see a picture of that, and it's mind-blowing. That's why they used to say, space, the final frontier. That should be God. God is the final frontier. Well, that's who they were looking for. It was funny because all the Star Trek people were humanists, and yet they were looking for something bigger than human beings.
They thought they could, like, carry the human thing out, and they'd find all these little beings, and some of them were protoplasm, and some of them were... Everything looked... Everything that was humanistic would look like us with just some weird...
Yeah, they still had all the basics.
Yeah, they had eyeballs, they had a mouth. And so it was like all these things they were finding, but it was always this human spirit. But they kept looking. And the question was, what are you looking for?
I was just comforted in the fact that they all spoke English because I was nervous about, you know, but all the aliens speak English. And it was incredible.
Well, for 60s television, that was the way it worked. I think one of the last movies I saw, which I left halfway through it, was I think it was Tommy Lee Jones and maybe Brad Pitt. They went to space looking for God. That's what it's about. And they pretty much got up there and said, he's not here.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Samaritan woman?
And then some people do little things, but I love the book by Francis Schaeffer called No Little People because he says in there that in God's kingdom, there's just only God things. And so, yeah, it doesn't really matter what you're equipped for and what position the Lord's put you in. In God's economy, there's not a difference between what Billy Graham did and what my mom did.
No one knows my mom's name. I guess that some people know now because of the blind. But it was just a faithful service to God. And in God's eyes and in the grand scheme of things, like now they were both serving the Lord in their respective ministries. And there's not a difference. There's not a bit, oh, your mom did a little thing and Billy Graham did a big thing. No, they did God things.
No, I like that. And in fact, I was mentioning that I was just in Denham Springs speaking and this guy, Rick Gage, who has been doing this ministry for 35 years, he went and spent time with the Billy Graham people and saw what they were doing in these huge stadiums. And he saw that it was effective to reach people. But then culture changed.
It wasn't so easy to do that and get people to come to things like that. But he knew the gospel would still go out. So he just took it, scaled it down. And he still does it in stadiums, but there are little football stadiums all around the country. And they're still leading people to Christ. But, I mean, I had never heard of Rick until I met him. And go tell ministries.
But I thought just what you were saying, Zach, he now is reaching people because that's what he's been called and led to do. He's an old football player and football coach. And he says, you know, I'm comfortable in a football stadium, but I just want to use it to reach people.
Well, I think 1 Corinthians 12 comes to mind, especially where we're at. I mean, Jesus had just introduced this concept of being born of the Spirit. Yeah. And, you know, when Paul's talking to a church who obviously were having a lot of problems, he had to remind them of the gospel in chapter 15.
And they had a lot of similar issues that he addresses in chapter 1 that we're going to read in this section on is there some... thing about who does the baptizing and how many people are following you because you baptize people.
So the people you physically dunked under the water, them were calling themselves your disciples. Yeah, that's fixed to be a thing that we're going to read about.
But I want to read this 1 Corinthians 12 because I think it kind of clears up what we're talking about. He said in verse 12, 12, 12, the body is made, is a unit, though it is made up of many parts, and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. We were all baptized by one spirit into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free.
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Chapter 4: What does the Bible say about who can baptize?
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I've got to go back to Zach's quote, which I think is a good one. I think baptism is a death, thus nullifying any kind of self-righteousness that you would put on the act, the actual ceremony. If it's a death, you're declaring, I'm into Jesus' death. I'm into his burial. I'm dying. He's my Lord. That's the way I view it. But to prove my point, when you go to 1 Corinthians 1,
Isn't it funny how now we're post-spirit being poured out. Jesus has died, been buried, and raised. The first thing he brings up, controversial issue in Corinth, was these dueling dunkers. And I wanted to read this. Now, it's a totally different context now, but same problem. Where's that at, Al? 1 Corinthians 1. In verse 12. He said, you have a lot of quarrels among you. So what I mean is this.
One of you says, I follow Paul. Another, Paulus. Another, Cephas. Still another, Christ. Well, we all know there's one group in these four that is right. That's right. Christ is all. That's why I brought up the point about John the Baptist. The purpose of his baptism was to get people to look. The Messiah is at hand here. He's coming.
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