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Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Ep 995 | What Clint Eastwood Taught Jase About Baptism & the Bible Topic No One Is Talking About

Wed, 20 Nov 2024

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The guys explore the physical and spiritual concepts of circumcision, and Jase learns a surprising lesson about baptism from Clint Eastwood. Zach and Jase disagree on the finer points of baptism, and the guys marvel at the mechanics of Abraham and Sarah’s conception of Isaac in the book of Genesis. In this episode: Colossians 2; Genesis 17; Deuteronomy 10, verse 16; Deuteronomy 30, verse 6; Acts 2, verses 36-39; Mark 3, verse 11 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What surprising lesson about baptism did Jase learn from Clint Eastwood?

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I am unashamed.

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What about you?

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Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason, we go speak places. There's usually some kind of Q&A attached or a meet and greet or, you know, there's a time when you go and you're, you know, there's an interaction. And a lot of what we do are fundraisers for people. So A lot of times people will give more to the organization to have an opportunity to meet you, maybe get a book signed, something like that.

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But the people you get to meet, along the way, I'd have to say, I mean, just everybody in general, obviously people are excited. People listen to the podcast. A lot of you guys, I meet you at events, but then a lot of times you get the little surprise. Cause you meet somebody that you recognize and you're surprised they're there.

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Has that ever happened to you where you were someplace and you saw somebody and you were like, what are you doing here? I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, nothing comes to mind.

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I mean, I know that's happened many times.

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So I was in Virginia recently and, And it was really cool. I think I talked about it on the podcast. I got to go to Monticello, which is Thomas Jefferson's home. And I've always been a big fan of Jefferson. He was so brilliant in so much of his stuff. You went to his house? Went to his house. Well, did you ask him if I could come metal detect?

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I didn't because there wasn't anybody that seemed like they would be the kind of person that would let you do that. But it was very structured. But, man, let me tell you something, James. If you could, there's no telling what you could find on this place. Yeah. It was literally the top of a mountain. I think we need a follow-up on this. I think you may be right.

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They never brought up that I have a treasure hunting show. Never mentioned it. Never brought it up. Never even. So the event was at the house? No, no, no. No, that was just me and Lisa going to look. That had nothing to do with the event. Oh, I see. That was a side note. We do the event, raising money for a pregnancy center.

Chapter 2: How do Jase and Zach view the concept of baptism differently?

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that it's helped me and and great preachers and great pastors from around the country uh that impact my life that i wouldn't have been listening to when i was younger because you know yeah what do they got to offer you know they don't even i mean they were having the same problem here we're in colossians it's very much so this is kind of what's happening he's focusing on jesus and i've said thousands of times i thought the bible was a rule book because the way

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where we were meeting, it was like, oh, they talk about Jesus, but then it's like, well, kind of, these are, they wouldn't call them rules, but this is just like, This is what we do, and this is what we need to agree on.

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Or, you know, I just at some point I realized this is about a person, which we talk about that a lot, and that all these verses that God does not live in temples built by hands and buildings. It was not a let's go build a building. This was a movement of declaring Jesus. in all places and houses and synagogues, but also just over a water well. Yeah.

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I call them, I call them, I call them shadow things. Uh, and I get it from, from this, this text, but it's, they were focusing on the shadow things, but because there is a rule, there's a rule of life, you know, and there's a, just like there's a law, you know, laws of thermodynamics that,

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It's not like someone sits up there and says, all right, I'm going to make some rules about how heat works and how matter and energy are transformed. It's not like a... I mean, there is God that set this in motion, but these are not like arbitrary things. These are descriptions of how the world works. And there is a description and a rule of life of how life in Christ is.

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But what happens is if you take... the things like the, of themselves for themselves, then you're basically, it's like what Paul's language here is like, you're focusing on the shadow of the thing. And so a lot of what our movement did was it would, it all movements kind of devolve into this over time. And, but the spirit keeps bringing it back and,

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And the kingdom is fluid and moves like the wind. So you can't really isolate itself. There it is. It's contained right there. There it is. It's in that movement, that group, that church, that building. Like you can't do that. I mean, the kingdom cannot be identified in that way.

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But I think that our default position is to take it and try to and try to put parameters around it so that we can then contain it and hold it. And when you do that, you're essentially taking and you're looking at the shadow of something instead of the reality of it, which, to your point, is relational, not just relational. It's relational in the context of a relationship with a particular person.

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And that person is Jesus Christ, who just so happens to be the incarnation and the fullness of the Godhead. He's the fullness of the triune God in bodily form. So that's for our entry point into the Trinity, into partaking in the divine life, as Peter said. Our way in is through the person of Jesus. So anything that kind of gets outside of that becomes just a thing that we focus on.

Chapter 3: What role does circumcision play in spiritual discussions?

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He laughed and said to himself, will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? I mean, he literally was cackling. To make a great movie. Will Sarah bear a child at the age of 90? And Abraham said to God, if only Ishmael might live under your blessing.

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Ishmael was a son that 10 years earlier when God told him about this plan, then obviously nothing was happening. And so Sarah said, well, maybe God meant for you to sleep with my, you know, or marry my hand servant, my, you know, and, and Hagar and have a child by her. And so They did it. They managed that. And so Ishmael is now a son of Abraham, but he's not the son.

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And so just to set that, we didn't set that.

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Which would be Isaac. So I'm going to skip down to verse 24, and then we're going to go back to Colossians. Abraham was 99 years old when he was circumcised, and his son Ishmael was 13. Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that same day, and every male in Abraham's household, including those born in the household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.

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And so I'm not sure when Isaac comes onto the scene. Chapter 21. Yeah, she's going to get pregnant later. And then we go through the scene of then God asking Abraham to offer his son Isaac, which was going to be a shadow to Jesus, dying and being buried and being raised. You can read Hebrews 11 where it talks about Abraham and see what all this is for. So we did all that.

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Because in Colossians, when he makes that statement that you were circumcised in Christ, he's now relating what happened with the promise with Abraham is now a reality in Christ. But instead of the Jewish men cutting off the skin of the males eight days old, I mean, Abraham got the worst end of that deal because he had to get circumcised at 99. I'm sure it took him a couple days to get over that.

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I think I navigated that as good as I could. Well, there was a scene, Jace, later when they had gotten away from God and they weren't practicing circumcision and then they went back to God and God had the whole nation circumcised. Exactly. So, you know, it happened.

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So look, so now let's go back and read this because I think we can understand it. And that way we won't be so confused and we won't avoid this passage because it's too confusing. So back to Colossians 2, 9. For in Christ all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form, and you've been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. In him you are also circumcised.

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Now watch this statement. In the putting off of the old sinful flesh, or some versions say sinful nature, it's a hard phrase to define. But it's think whatever that presence in your human body that is giving you the choice to sin and be a sinner and the desires to do wrong, that part of your Human old self. Think Adam rather than Jesus that has been this trained since the beginning.

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