Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1005 | The Billy Graham Rule: Is It Wrong for Unmarried Men & Women to Be Alone Together?
Wed, 11 Dec 2024
Jase breaks away from a potentially disastrous back rub from a woman he didn’t know by using a creative, Jesus-centric excuse. The guys offer examples of their own “Billy Graham rule,” where even the appearance of sexual impurity must be guarded against, especially in ministry. Zach explores the basis of identity politics, where the concept comes from, and ultimately the only healthy source of human identity. The guys explore three avenues of earthly desires that must be reordered to God’s will or they result in anxiety, depression, and pain. In this episode: John 14, verse 23; Hebrews 9, verses 24-25; Romans 8, verse 11 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the Billy Graham Rule and its implications?
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We've explained this to you before. To you, you've had a day or two in between. We just have five minutes. We're kind of continuing our discussion. And Jason, we realized when we were getting ready to roll back in. We started your duck hunting story and somehow we got into dad and everything else. Then we never finished.
We never finished. It's another unfinished story.
Well, we were talking about, you know, one of the guys that Phil was instrumental in bringing to the Lord was a guy that we know affectionately as Jersey Joe. And I've helped him in his growth process, not just being a Christian, but just learning how to be a Louisiana person. Right.
Which he now considers himself to be.
He's full Louisiana. And it was a bumpy relationship at first. It took us a few months to get over me saying, which this is going to sound horrible what I said. And maybe I probably should have said it better, but we're men. We're in a boat and there were three very large men in the front of the boat. And the boat was moving at one mile per hour. I told this story in a previous podcast.
And the reason it was going that slow is because these three heavy men were on the front of the boat. And they're so heavy that it actually had the propeller of the motor out of the water. And I waited five minutes as we're drifting. We're just drifting toward the bank. And the propeller's above the water. It's above the water. Because I was waiting for one of them to realize.
We're never getting to the bank unless somebody moves back so the propeller can go under the water. But nobody wanted to be that person. But nobody moved. Nobody thought of it. They're not talking. They're all just looking. And we're literally moving at the pace of the wind. At this point, you're adrift. In that moment of frustration, I said, hey. And they all turned around. I went, hey.
Yeah.
Well, I laughed and I said, well, I was only kidding, but y'all are large individuals and it was a physics problem. So...
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Chapter 2: How do personal stories reflect the Billy Graham Rule?
So then I noticed that his right hand up to his shoulder was wet. It was wet. And he said, but I got the GoPro. And I was like, well, good luck looking at that footage.
I think the GoPros are waterproof, aren't they?
That's what he said. He said, but, you know. So there's the trainee. That's the life of a duck hunter.
Oh, man, I wish we had Joe on here to get his take on it. It reminded me, Jason, you're telling the story about the fat boys in the front. We were on a mission trip one time, and Gordon, Zach's dad, was there. And Ben was with us, and I think we were heading to Dominican or Haiti or someplace. And Gordon was up front. We were further back, and we had a pretty large group.
There were about 20 of us. So we had most of the plane. It was a small plane leaving out of Monroe. And so the flight attendant comes on and says, we need someone in rows one through four to move to the back. because we have a weight issue in the plane. So there's not a, and there's some empty seats up there toward the front. This isn't like first class front. This is a little big plane.
And so nobody makes a move. Well, Gordon is one of the people in one through four. And so we're all start laughing because we're like, look, Gordon's not going to make the move. He's not going to be the one that takes that walk of shame. Yeah.
to the back and so then she says uh she goes back on like a minute goes by she says uh could somebody in rows two or three so the circle's shrinking so we're shrinking down and then so we start doing commentary from the uh could the man with the large head in row three a And so Gordon finally gets up and just shuffles back in shame and joins us in the background.
When you actually feel the plane level out, it was you.
It was you. Yeah. That's funny. But I will say this. When we got back from Florida with the presidential mayhem that happened that we shared about Missing, I actually got invited opening day to Arkansas duck season and went, and it was a top five duck hunt of my life. Really?
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Chapter 3: What role does identity play in today's society?
You got the legal right. So I tell you what, the one who now has no sin, you've never sinned. You start the process. So he puts the human condition right back to them. Okay, anybody that can rise above this woman and say, you've never made a mistake, you be the first one to throw the stone. And it said it started with the older ones and went down to the young and they all walked away.
And then he looks at her and says, no one stayed to condemn you. And she says, no. Then he tells her, then leave your life of sin, which is interesting. At a spiritual sense, the only solution we have to our human problems and our earthly problems are him.
Yeah.
Or Jesus. It's not going to be anybody else. So just because you have a gang of people that all agree something needs to be done, you don't have the answer to what needs to be done.
Well, that's why that story is, I mean, all the stories are in there. We get to see the character of God lived out in a human body. His name was Jesus. Yep. And, you know, I think back on my life, a story popped into my head.
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Chapter 4: How can earthly desires lead to anxiety and depression?
I don't think I've ever shared this, but, you know, when I was a teenager, I was literally, there was a span where I was just on fire for Jesus aggressively because people that are younger, I've now realized, are more open to hearing about Jesus. And so it just started, you know, once we kind of started becoming outspoken about Jesus. We were just baptizing tons of people.
I had met my wife, who we were dating, and we would go out to camp every year for weeks. I mean, with no distractions. Six weeks. Yeah, you're sharing Jesus. Well, one night I was out there at camp, and I'm sitting there, and I feel an affection,
of rubbing my shoulders but kind of in a way where i thought it was my future wife while we were dating missy because no other human that i know of outside of like my mom or something and i knew she wasn't out there so i turned around well it's not my it's not who i'm dating it's and she wasn't ugly And she said, hey.
As if that mattered.
Well, it mattered because I was so shocked. You know, I'm on a spiritual high. And, you know, the verse, I wasn't thinking set your mind on things above. I'm thinking, because she rubbed my shoulders for a while and I thought it was my wife. Yeah. Which made for an interesting conversation later. Because other people.
I was going to say, what did Missy think?
She's like, hey, what's going on?
How long did she rub your shoulders for?
I would say for 15, 20 seconds. I was like, ooh, this feels good. But when I turned around, it wasn't the person I thought was doing it. So she said, hey, and she said her name, which now look. This is what my dad used to say. You know, you should treat this moment like a bull rattlesnake. Like you have almost stepped up by a bull rattlesnake.
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