Pablo Torre
Appearances
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
I'm peeing on all the trees, Tim, that you thought were just your urine. Guess what? I'm on there too. European owner now.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yeah, happy to, because I've been following this story for years and it's crazy and we're numb to it, which is a good opportunity to remind people, hey, don't be numb to this. So the PGA Tour had a monopoly effectively on golf. And this is not to say that they were praiseworthy in any way, right?
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Like golf as an institution, lots of old and ancient and yeah, flawed rituals around all sorts of demographic groups. That's not why I'm talking to you about the PGA Tour, however.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yes, yes. The same club, Augusta, that also had Condoleezza Rice as its first member of her demographic also was making jokes about fried chicken and watermelon at Tiger Woods. An August institution unlike any other, truly. But the reason PGA and its enterprise is relevant here is because they were disrupted, let's call it, let's use that term of art,
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
by Saudi Arabia, by the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and their private investment fund. So the Saudi Royal Wealth Fund came along and said, hey, you know what we're interested in? Stealing golf from America in order to make ourselves look better to Americans. And I frame it that way deliberately because on its face, it doesn't seem like it should be successful.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
But as a very wise person once told me once, the answer to all your questions is money. And so what they did was they said, hey, we happen to have a desire to launder our reputation. We happen to be the kingdom that you may know from episodes like the bone sawing of journalists, Jamal Khashoggi being one example in that genre. You may remember us from our treatment of gay people.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
We have executed them previously. You may remember us, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, from our generally abysmal human rights record.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And we shouldn't just yada, yada, yada over the laundry list here. Truly, the laundry list they're trying to sports wash and launder. Because, by the way, also in that catalog is 9-11. Right. 15 of the 19 hijackers. And that'll come back as I proceed deeper into this. But the point being, they said, hey, golfers, we're going to create a rival tour to compete with the PGA. And you take our money.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
You become employees of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And we're going to basically prove to all of America we're warm and cuddly. We're warm and fuzzy, you might even say, and come around to seeing our new modern way of life. And what happened was all these golfers took the money. And so there was this big fracturing between the PGA and live, which is what they called their culture.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
rival tour, the live golf tour, which is spoiler alert, not going to wind up being a good product, but will be successful in drawing big names from the PGA. And so anyway, there was this fracturing, there was this seemingly blood feud between the PGA and live. But over time, what happens is Donald Trump, I mean, we want to get to the Trump part here, because I think it's probably instructive.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Well, yeah, and I just want to add one more thing, too, because you just reminded me, right? 2022, this is all going down, and Phil Mickelson has an interview with the author Alan Shipnuck for a book he's working on, and Phil Mickelson gives away the game, okay? So we'll set the stage for the moral high ground here by quoting Phil Mickelson. He said, yes, the Saudi kingdom killed Khashoggi.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yes, they do all these things to gay people. Yes, they have a horrific human rights record. This is essentially a paraphrase. You can go look it up. But... What we have here is an opportunity to disrupt the business of the PGA. And therefore, I, Phil Mickelson, I am taking the money. Right? So he says it. He says it. He says it all. They know it.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And what happens is 2022, you may also recall, was after 2021. And on January 6th of 2021, what happens is after the insurrection on the Capitol, a lot of the PGA tour stops, they say, we can't do the Trump thing. We can't have events at Trump courses in Scotland, in America. And so Trump temporarily is out. And so the PGA to him now is the disloyal party.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And so what comes around in 2022 is it's ahead of September 11th, the anniversary. And there are families, 9-11 families protesting at Bedminster in New Jersey at Trump National, his golf course, ahead of a live golf tournament happening at Bedminster with Donald Trump as the business partner hosting the event.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And so you have these families saying all the things about, wait a minute, what happened to never forgetting? What happened to what the Saudi Arabians did to literally Americans in one of the worst, if not the worst modern atrocity that everybody agreed to care about forever? Spoiler alert again, nobody really listened to them.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yes. So America first. Now, fast forward into the future. Donald Trump has been foreshadowing for two years complaining about the PGA welcoming business from live and Saudi Arabia. He's been saying a merger is inevitable. Anybody who is fighting live is going to lose. You might as well.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Allow me now, Donald Trump, this week to basically moderate a detente, a business merger in which, again, unsurprisingly, Donald Trump becomes a major winner because, yes, now his business at his golf courses, the things he loves the most, they will get to profit in ways that are just very clearly corrupt, given that he's, you know, the president.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
I do want to just phrase this in terms that I think are pretty undeniable. It's really an amazing trick that Trump is pulling where he gets to bathe in nationalism while being the direct business partner. To Saudi Arabia. Like, Tim, I'm trying to track what bigotries we want and which ones we don't. I'm trying to track when foreignness is supposed to feel foreign and not like one of us.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And it seems like the only through line is literally, are you giving Donald Trump money?
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit of a fine print we're missing is that when we say America first, we really mean Trump and his associated golf courses and meme coins.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
I know. Let's just cut to the chase here.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
The Saudi Arabia thing, though, just to like, what's frustrating to me is that, look, I understand that we're all playing hypocrisy detective, right? And sort of the big win of the MAGA party has been to say, but you do this. We're bad, but you do bad stuff too.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
What we're dealing with, with the Saudi Arabia stuff and so many of the other things that you're outlining in terms of corruption is a reminder that not all corruption is created equal. Right. Right.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And in fact, when it comes to dealing with Saudi Arabia, again, if you're to pick 9-11 as this thing that we all said was a pretty good standard for when America coalesced around really what felt like let's value our own country instead of the people that fund terrorism, you would say that Saudi Arabia, okay, that's probably beyond the pale. But we've been testing.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And again, in sports, by the way, this is not just a Trump story. This is a sports story in which everybody, unfortunately, is thirsting for their money. It's a really interesting thing. So basically, in sports...
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
By the way, as I always like to say, the lone monocultural institution we seem to have left, these American institutions, everybody is putting a toe in the water of, okay, you say the cable bundle is being disrupted, which means that our billions of dollars in revenue as scheduled are going to be eroding or changing. Well, we need to find a new backer.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And there is Saudi Arabia themselves thinking we got to switch over from oil at some point to something else, maybe tourism, maybe entertainment. And they're saying if we can use sports to cover up atrocities that we have committed, then maybe that's our future. And so there's this just meeting of desperate interests. And it's a marriage made in hell.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And sports is quietly, across the board, they are quietly meeting and deciding, let's get some of that money in because we don't want to be left out.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
That's a particularly, you know, Tim, I can always count on you to make it even more staggeringly dystopian, but you're right. Like when we joke about the fine print, they're not even bothering to hide it in the small cereal box spot. We're seeing it in the newspaper. Like this is unsubtle, right? Like MBS is, Yes, you're all room. I on his head of sports. I mean, truly, again, I come from sports.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
I've been monitoring this story and I'm like, OK, cool. Live is back in the news. All right. I'm familiar with that. What's happening? Oh, Russia and the US are meeting in Saudi Arabia. Like all all of the streams are crossing. Like, what the fuck is this?
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yeah. I mean, so first and foremost, like on my show, Pablo Torre finds out as aforementioned, like my entire mission there is to make sure I melt cheese on the broccoli, right? Like you're going to get nutrition.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
We will, we will chocolate some MSG, some Molly. Yeah. We'll microdose some LSD. We'll do that too. Whatever you need to make this feel like you're enjoying yourself, we'll do it. But I mean that seriously, right? This stuff shouldn't just be scolding.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It should also be truly like a realization that there is great comedy, albeit a dark comedy, in the absurdity of what we're seeing, which is a parallel to politics. So how is sports... A parallel to politics here. Well, what's happening is that a sacred institution that you loved growing up has been sold piece by piece to truly the modern equivalent of the Axis powers.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It's the bad guys in the most on the nose movie you've ever seen. And the question is, as it is to the voter, are you having a better time? consuming the product that's being sold piece by piece to the bad guys. And Live Golf, what I will confidently say, is that no one really likes that shit. It's not better now than it used to be.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It is being inshittified. And so even if, by the way, we led with some acknowledgement as we do as liberal cucks towards the idea that, by the way, the PGA, Augusta, they have some issues, not trying to enshrine them. The point is what you're getting as a result of the inshittification of everything due to outright unprecedented corruption is not good for the normal person.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It's not good for the fan. It's not good for sports. And by the way, like the other thing that's funny to me, the comedy in this, Tim, was watching all of this happen as the Super Bowl just sort of like turned over to me. OK, what did the Super Bowl reveal? Lots of things. But one of them was that Donald Trump doesn't know ball. Tommy Tuberville, literally a football coach, does not know ball.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
He's they're both making shit up about Patrick Mahomes. Right. In a way, that should signal to you these people are not who they claim they are. They're using sports as if they are the bros and we're the cucks. And in reality, they're revealing at every turn that they don't actually know what they're talking about.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
And that part is just fundamentally, I'm just like, look, you can get me on the moral level. Maybe you disagree with my philosophies, sure.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
But if you're telling me that those people are convincing you that they're actually diehard familiar with the shit you care about, we just aren't going to be able to agree on anything because they're revealing all the time that they're lying to you for their benefit and they're using you for, spoiler alert, their benefit.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
It's, yes. Yes. If I can give you the people who we should, I mean, again, Tim, I'm from New York, right? And so there's a parallel here to just like the New York thing. Because 9-11, I am somebody who has found a way to truly like not have that be the thing I want to club people over the head with every day. But when it just comes to like the most cinematic version of patriotism, I'm like,
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Really? We're going to let those guys who did this help that guy who's doing this to us? Pick whatever movie that you love growing up. Pick fucking Rocky. Guess who we're on the side of now? Yvonne Drago. Come on, man. I grew up with a sense of who the villains are. I'm not even asking you to otherize anything. I'm just saying use the same shit that you grew up watching.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Now just think of the world through that lens. What do you see?
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Yeah. Instead of fucking Con Air, by the way, which is what this movie feels like now.
The Bulwark Podcast
David Graham and Pablo Torre: Is Lil Marco a Cuban Communist Agent?
Sad Tim Miller in person with a Denver Nuggets hat, a skew on his head contemplating. Is all the success I'm about to have in this post-election cycle really worth it? And the answer is no.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, just the transactionality of all of it. I mean, David does sort of summarize it well there, but I just have a different sort of angle to it, which is that that invitation that you read, the Ricketts family, the Adelsons, okay, obviously those are two sports owners. In Mark Zuckerberg now, you have a guy who is also a sports figure. Dana White is on the board of Meta.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Look, I went to college with Mark Zuckerberg. I've been watching him in both a morbidly curious way I mean, was I the 199th person in the world to join Facebook? Yeah, maybe. Who's counting? Me? It used to be my URL. 199. But I say that because for 20 years, I watched a guy without any actual moral compass transact and scheme to become more and more powerful and more and more wealthy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Corruption is not created equal. I think there's just a bunch of people out there who are like, but Hunter Biden. And I'm like, Hunter Biden, that was a terrible embarrassment for the Biden administration. There are lots of things the left, broadly speaking, has done that does fall into the realm of corruption and is embarrassing. I'm just telling you that nothing is as look at what we're doing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
We're not even hiding it anymore than invitations like that and just the pivot that someone like Mark Zuckerberg has taken. They're doing it, Dan, because it works. This is an administration that is welcome to quid pro quo. Miriam Adelson, by the way, the Adelson family aforementioned, we did an episode about them, the biggest donors to Donald Trump.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
In exchange, they get to dictate policy on Israel. Mark Zuckerberg, the reason he's doing this is because he knows that he can give money in exchange for political favors and protection. It works, and that's why they're doing it. They're not stupid.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
But I think that what David just did is the trick that got run in the campaign and now the aftermath, which is you voted for this. And I think on some level, of course, because it's two choices, yes, objectively true. But I just think that...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
there has been a both sides ism to corruption that has undersold the magnitude on the side that won and the side that one did not run on we are corruption vote for corruption they ran on all the other stuff they ran on again sports topics They ran on trans athletes. They ran on immigration. They ran on the stuff that is juicy, the stuff that actually moves the needle in a town hall meeting.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Corruption isn't one of those topics, but because the other stuff got voted for, corruption rides inside. And David, I just think that my faith relative... to yours is in the idea that people, if they actually knew the magnitude and were presented with it by journalistic enterprises in a more rigorous and clear way, they would not actually say we voted for corruption.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
They would say, oh, that was an unfortunate thing that happened in retrospect. We voted for the other stuff. Instead, we got the most corrupt administration in the history of American politics.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I went through this exercise at our reunion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Wait, Billy, you didn't go to your... We don't have college reunions. Zuckerberg was a year ahead of me. There were some other candidates in mind. You guys don't have college reunions?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Yeah, so Facebook started as truly that. Oh, good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, I'm here to tell you, you saw a movie. I lived the movie. What were the Winklevoss twins like?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
No, what David is saying is actually the problem now. Your take has gotten worse. Your take is now corruption has always existed. We should not even remark upon its existence. Yes, it is. You're observing something in the observation. You are wearing away the edges on what's actually interesting, which is that this is uniquely corrupt. And I'm just telling you that- It's not uniquely corrupt.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
You're saying-
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think I did peak in college.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I thought they only rated women. Of course they did. To answer your question, though, in terms of like, where do I rank in my college reunion? It does bring us back to the topic, because when I went to that reunion, Vivek Ramaswamy was there. And I just point out something. Vivek Ramaswamy drove a wedge into this insane coalition between Silicon Valley, deeply transactional and America first.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Right. Because he was talking about like H-1B visas and you need more Indian immigrants and all that stuff. Go check out the last time Vivek Ramaswamy tweeted. The dude has been disappeared. from the Republican Party since he dared to say something that was ideologically inconvenient for this coalition. So I'm just telling you that Vivek Ramasamy's on the way down.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think I am absolutely back ahead of him. Damien Chazelle directed Whiplash and La La Land and those movies, so I think he's clearly the number one. But I'm up there. I'm up there, arguably, I would say. Colin Jost, your year? I didn't, like, Colin Jost was not. He was years ahead of me. We went to high school together. He was a good guy. There you go. High school, yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Guys, I need some help here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I am the least likable on your show, which is unfortunately one of the biggest platforms that I tend to sometimes have. Everywhere else, I'm like the fun guy. Here, I'm like... The scold. And I'm like, welcome to my world.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
You're the fun guy elsewhere, huh? Are you?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I am. I am the fun. I am. I am the Stugatz of MSNBC. Just to give you a clarity on what it's like for me over there. I come in wanting to talk about. I come in wanting to rank quarterbacks, literally. And it's a very different experience.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I yell into people's lav mics, you know, like Michelle Beadle.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I was, though. He says from his one-bedroom apartment. I didn't make money on it. The two-bedroom. Apartment shaming?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Thank you. Thank you, Jess. I was, I didn't, look, I didn't, as the movie says, if you invented Facebook, you would invent Facebook. I didn't invent Facebook. What I did, though, was watch Mark Zuckerberg's now wife, Priscilla Chan, live in my freshman entryway and send an email to us being like, hey, do you want to sign up for Mark's new website? And I did. And you could have saved the world.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
That's the better take is that I was all too happy to sign up for the hot or not site and like stalk people in my classes because I was like, oh, wait a minute. This is this is actually convenient. Instead, yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think Dan walked away when Samson just started saying stuff like, the wheel. But that happened too.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
By the way, you are welcome. You are welcome for that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
think it's silicon valley i think tech is actually the big difference and that's the difference between the wheel and now is that we are dealing with the foremost technological uh innovation presented to you by companies that aren't just uh seeking to protect themselves but they actually do have a we know better than you perspective on this
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It's not just that Silicon Valley is transactional, David, and they are willing to spend to preserve their own self-interests. It's that now you have them in concert with an administration that doesn't care about the ideology. They don't. Donald Trump's foremost motive is profit. And it's just naked in a way that's different.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
There are other guidelines and guardrails around, well, he won't do this because. He won't do that because there is shame, there is policy. He actually does believe this ideologically. And I'm not saying that Trump believes in nothing. I'm just saying that nothing compares to the profit that he wants to make.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
And when you have that in combination with the place that has the most money to spend, that does have ideas for how the policy should be different. It's just a remarkable combination that we're going to begin to see in full bloom. That's going to make the wheel and the corruption that existed in the era of like oil barons.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It's going to be quaint because it's never been quite like this with Silicon Valley ascendant at this time.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
that's pretty good gotta say it's pretty good
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I don't love that Jeremy and I are both wearing glasses as we yell at David. It's just I feel like we're diluting extra pretentious at the same time. I do want to I want to join Jeremy, though, pushing back on David in this way. David said you find nothing out by explaining how corrupt and perhaps uniquely corrupt this administration is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
The Silicon Valley thing is the is the is the part that I think we're underweighting here every day on this show, especially. But otherwise, we marvel at how unhappy we are about. our phones and what is actually ruling our day to day life. Right. We marvel at that as if it's new all of the time. The companies that made it that way did not make it that way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think credit to them because they said we would like to make everyone's lives miserable. What happened was they were like, we can innovate and create a device that can do all of these other things. We can connect to the world, as Mark Zuckerberg has always said. We can make it so that you have the access to the library of Alexandria on command in your phone.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
What I'm saying is that the misery and the ruin of all of these institutions that we enjoy, but our happiness, first and foremost, okay, our happiness was an unintended consequence of people who thought that they knew better than everybody else. And when you don't regulate those people,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
And when you don't put up the guardrails via a political administration that is meant to not serve a profit motive, but to serve its actual citizens, at that point, not to sound like I'm running for goddamn office right now, you are doing something in which people have to discover I'm a frog in a pot of boiling water.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
That's what we are discovering every day because the products are actually that good. They are that good, David.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, listen, I'm just saying, like you talk to people who design, there's a guy who designed the feature that is the infinity scroll. We all know it, right? Like you don't have to actually like press a button. It just scrolls infinitely. I'm like a slot machine.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It actually is sort of premised on slot machine technology, that famously non-addictive technology that everybody who uses loves, you know, slot machines. People love it when you watch them play a slot machine. You're like that person at the time of their life and not sad and old and dying.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
What is happening is that the people who invented this technology, the infinite scroll, social media, Facebook itself, they're philosophy with their own kids is we wouldn't let them use this stuff. And I think you've heard that probably before, but it's real. It's true. And I'm not saying that to say I'm going to throw my phone into the ocean.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I'm just saying the people who are telling you that they know the best, OK, are also the people who have access to avoid being stopped in a unique way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Juju, welcome. It is nice to see you. What are the fairest of all of the criticisms on today's show? I imagine that tomorrow we'll start the show by saying all of the things that we did wrong on today's show for about an hour and a half.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Still an upset. Yes, good correction. Thank you, Juju.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I don't think of you as a spiritual person. Do I have that wrong? Like, I know that... So we're doubling down on it. Well, yeah, I guess so. I think hating God is too strong. I don't believe that that's what I said entirely.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Republicans listen to our show, too.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
That was a good second game, though. I had, after watching Denver slog through that first one against OKC in the fourth quarter, to see Jokic go and lead against that defense, lead the Nuggets to 140 points. Well, Dan, I gave you this stat last week.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
A God cynic. I was like, what? Are you a spiritual person? Would you consider yourself a spiritual person? How do you define a spiritual person? You define it. I'm asking you.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I want to talk about a couple of other things, but I also wanted to ask Amin what his opinion was on the idea that, Whatever you think of the lead NBA voices in this country, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Stephen A. Smith, if they're in your top group of NBA voices, they're entertainment more than analysis.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
It doesn't mean that they can't also do analysis, but the emphasis is on entertainment.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I think of you as almost inherently skeptical about everything. And so I don't think – I remember having a conversation with you on Pablo Torre Finds Out where you didn't have much use for whatever the spiritual center of yoga was, for example. We're talking about ghosts, man.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
We've got to get to a few more things with Juju and we'll have Amin in the rest of the week on basketball. But also as part of this affliction, though, Amin. You've got those people who are entertainers talking about how many teams that have a real championship chance, a legitimate championship chance.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
So they have to invent other storylines because you've got four or five teams to choose from as legitimate contenders.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Thank you, Juju. It's a dark compliment. Before we get out of here on polls and stuff, I think you've earned today the ability to give just any kind of life advice that you would like to give to anybody in the audience. It doesn't have to be in victory lap form, but if you want the floor to give any life advice that people can use, please have at it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Much easier to just talk shit behind your friend's back to 12 people. Ronnie H., Ronnie Honleche. Yes, very inefficient way to do it. What kind of polls do we have? Poll updates do we have today, Juju?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
That script on that movie, can you imagine that script? And now Kevin Bacon goes to the warehouse and just dances like crazy. Just what a shitty script.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Everybody hit him. Look out. Good day. Oh, my God. He punctuated it with a good day.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Notably, different from Bill Cassidy, who did cast the deciding vote to approve, as the director of Health and Human Services, a guy who also loves roadkill as much as vultures. That was yesterday.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You can throw him an alley-oop that's 50 feet in the sky and he will dunk it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I want Ron to dress like that all of the time. With the white suit? And the sweater. And the chain. I like how he was like, I was meeting the mayor. And it's like, of course, this is what the mayor of Miami should be met like.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Someone said to you, ugh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So Dominique has been texting me topics that I should ask as the host of a sports show. Topics that involve the Luka Doncic trade, LeBron James, how difficult it is to make trades when you have a reputation for being bad at making trades. And to that I say, welcome Ron McGill.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Well, we have you on for a far more important reason. It's me, Amin, David Sampson, Jess, Jeremy, and Chris.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yeah, I'll take it. Wait, wait, wait. I'm not sorry. The past version of me that I no longer am is sorry. But me, David Sampson, have evolved.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's right. In no way is this a backup, second string, substitute teacher scenario. This is definitely the first stringers. There you go. Ron, where are you right now?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You're trying to make us dress like a breakdancing squad. Why are we all wearing the same stuff?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Dominique's texting me that I need to take control of the show again. Can we bring it back to this Nico Harrison thing for a second? Because we're talking about what we're supposed to call things. And I feel like, I mean, on the internet, people have misinterpreted something that was reported by Ethan Strauss at ESPN in the most clicked article on ESPN.com at the time.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So people online have been saying that Nico Harrison called Steph Seth.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
And that's not what the story is. I mean, can you help clarify what the actual story is? Because it's one of the great stories in sports business that now comes back because Nico Harrison is the aforementioned formerly anonymous guy who is now a thing that everybody has an opinion on.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's news, right? Right, there is something to the idea of when news is breaking, it'd be nice if it was breaking out of a thing that wanted to keep it contained.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But a friend of Steph Curry's. A friend of Steph Curry's. And an Under Armour client.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Nike had to argue that Steph should stay with Nike. And this was in August. I mean, the second floor of the Oakland Marriott. Yep. Beneath the practice facility of Golden State. And notably missing were the people who actually had power. Yes. At Nike. So this guy, Lynn Merritt, was a shadow. I mean, not even shadow. He's just known as...
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So the person who was there running the meeting instead of Lynn Merritt, who was famed for being a power broker, a LeBron James advisor at the time, happens to have been Nico Harrison, who was a sports marketing director. That was his title. Not like Grand Poobah, but sports marketing director.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yeah, he's not a schlepper. And he would go on to be the VP of North America Basketball Ops for Nike, but he was not the number one guy.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's what it was. Again, Nico is running the meeting, but the reporting is, and this is according to one of the unafraid people who ended up being a source for Ethan, a meaningful source who was in the room, Del Curry, Steph's dad, who said that one Nike official accidentally addressed Steph as Steph-on. Stephen Curry. Not his actual name, but the mispronunciation.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So the meeting begins with them mispronouncing the name of the person they are recruiting. Not great. It's not going to end well.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
He's not credited as the guy who accidentally addressed him as such.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Because it's become, because of Nico Harrison being the guy who was, again, credited and discredited with the Luka Doncic trade, erasing the owners of the team, incidentally, he's credited as the guy who called Steph, Seth. But the funnier part of the meeting.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's irrelevant to what we're doing. The funnier part of the meeting, though, David, which I think you might appreciate, is that this meeting that was, again, run by Nico Harrison, right? So what does he get discredited for here? Maybe it's the fact that the meeting has a PowerPoint presentation, and the PowerPoint presentation is clearly for Kevin Durant. Yeah.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
His name is left on there by accident because they're repurposing a thing for someone that they actually cared more about for this guy that they're basically doing the theater of caring about.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Speaking of merch I'd love to wear. No, it's just old enough to be in my sweet spot.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes, because Steph Curry and that shoe became, if not next to Kyrie Irving's shoe, the most popular shoe among young people.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron also looks like somebody who has just thrown Amin El-Hassan out of the club. No, he doesn't. No, no, no.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
For Under Armour.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Oh, this was, again, going back to the idea of dynasties and villainy, this was the Warriors- At their heyday.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
To quote an and one shirt, grab a notebook. You're about to be schooled.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's very good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
On waiting?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
The shoe does look good, if you can show that.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Let's listen to this. I disagree, but we'll listen. Good EP. Tell for ourself.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I agree. We have not seen them even. I mean, so, yes, they've been in the same photograph together, but it's been sort of in that paparazzi way, which is a soft launch, if anything. Were they holding hands? That's the thing. Were they holding hands, though?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I would draft Asia Wilson and Bam Adebayo's child right now. That kid's not going to play basketball.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I agree. That's how to look when you're doing Dan's show. Ron, we summoned you for an actual pressing concern, which is that Amin Elhassan and I stay at this lovely building, the Elser Hotel. We stay near the top floors in the 40s. Oh, I know what it is already. We've encountered some vultures. That's right. Can you explain what we've been encountering, please?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I know. It's really not great. Jesus Christmas. What are you? That's a video issue.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Now, hypothetically. Yeah, purely hypothetically. I just forgot.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's a lot that I'm processing here. So the vulture, just to get back to where they came from and why they're here. So these turkey vultures, the fact that they're turkey vultures, is that right? Am I saying it or no?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Right. So let's just say hypothetically, if we were to put some garbage and raccoon carcasses on our balcony, if we were to, in fact, can we bring Ethan in here?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I want to just run an experiment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes, like a crowd outside of a club during Super Bowl week, the vultures have been circling my balcony. And on that balcony, I would like to put David Sampson and Ethan, who's here. Say hi, Ethan. David, stand up next to him for context.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So between the two of them, if we were to slather both of them in maybe meat juice or raccoon carcass, who would the vulture be more likely to take away? David's on his tippy toes.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Is that his name? Ethan.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's a great compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's a hell of a compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
He did just have a birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Ethan, by the way.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Doesn't that look a little bit like him? Not really. I see it. No, I see it.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Cheekbones. It's in the cheekbones.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Them cheeks.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
And in the vultures defense, Mina Kimes walked into a glass door at Dan's wedding. Oh, that's a good point, man.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But we should be glad that the vultures are here is what you're saying. We should be embracing them as much as they might projectile vomit the remains of roadkill.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ethan, take the hat off.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Hey!
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
The nose.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
There you go.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You know what? Many such cases. You're right. Think about what Ron just said. That's a compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron, David was telling us a 10-minute story about Alan Alda before. And now we've moved to David Cassidy. So thank you for actually.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron, we appreciate it. Not only are we killing it, we are then going to pick the bones of the things we have killed and continue to spray our uric acid all over everything.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
What do you mean? Be a better defense attorney for your kid.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
No, man, I can't.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'm terrible. All right, we've got to establish some etiquette, Dominique. What are your sports parent commandments when it comes to talking? Well, I mean...
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I pray for footage of you guys flipping out at a game. I just want someone to send me a TikTok of you guys.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I thought Dominique was saying Amin is taking shots literally vicariously. As in, like, shoot. Coach, you've got to isolate number nine on defense.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, this changes everything. Did you guys all catch that? We were not. Did we all catch that? Earl Woods over here is revealing what's really happening. I stand corrected. Amin is engineering the next grade athlete. Not really.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
That's what you got to say, Amin. Well done. Well done. A good immigrant parent.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Framing dollar bills and talking about grades.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I wish everybody could hear the motivational speech Dominique just gave Chris Cody.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'd like to know. We really just want a most down. I don't want to do this. What's happening? We just had a great. We were doing something.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
We're having too much fun. Dan's going to fly right now. Speaking of flight, Dominique.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, I am. I am summoning Dominique Foxworth, not just because we just replayed the video from last summer of David Sampson koala bearing him mid-dap, but also because Chris Cody clearly was waiting for that external validation. You guys talked about sack grabbing in a way that felt honestly inspirational. Yeah.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
We all know he's listening. I know. That's why Jeremy wore that color green, just for Dan. Dan was worried. Dan said that he's happy to take vacation. The audible sound of laughter through the glass that you may be able to catch is Jess's reaction to that premise. I believe that Dan is worried. I believe that Dan should be on vacation. He's not on vacation. You know that, right? He's working.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I mean, he's not working the whole week. The whole point is to give him time, right? He's doing this show with Dan Patrick, which everybody in New Orleans, if you're listening, go watch. It's at Tipitina's, which is an awesome venue. You know, go do that. But after that, like Dan should have a weekend to himself. He should be, you know. Painting the town red. That's right.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Another thing people don't say anymore. Is that a 90s reference? I don't know. 20s CB.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, yeah. Make that happen and send that video to us exclusively, please, for YouTube and the DraftKings Network.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I can't, actually. If you can imagine, the voice I imagine Charlie used is the voice that Charlie uses to impersonate Dan, which is also the voice that Amin uses to impersonate Adam Silver.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Changed my life. I want to get back to the game. I want to get back to the game of what do you tell the person that you're the biggest possible fan of? Charlie went with, you changed my life. Think about that. We have a video, though, I want to play.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
It's the move you do as a writer and you think you can do it just speaking. And it's a real heat check.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The rest of them are. Are we now realizing that Dan's kind of a good writer? Is that what's happening right now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We know Dan's a great writer.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I love Dan. I hope Dan's listening to this. I hope he's not. Have you guys seen a person that you were an enormous fan of and you wound up saying something like, you changed my life to them? Is there a thing? David, who is the person you would most be excited to encounter? Do you have a thing you know you'd want to say to them?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Is there anything else you learned from the most popular television show of all time through podcasting?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
What I mean is that you went to the star of the most watched television show of all time at one point and said, I know what your life is like, I have a podcast.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Are you stalking Alan Alda?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Yeah, I felt, I felt that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Another thing people don't really say anymore is willy-nilly, by the way. Let's keep a running list.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I think you're being Willie Nilly. Nilly Willie. Willie Nilly. Who's going to win the game? I see what you mean now, Dominique. I see what you mean now. That's the best we got. No, look, here's the bad news. Here's the bad news for the steering wheel in front of me. It has the word, there are vultures circling the Elser written on it.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
And that's what I was going to lead with the next time we came back from break.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
They're not just vultures, they're turkey vultures. Mm-hmm Ron we got Ron McGill on to talk about the vultures.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Are they healthy vultures? I can't tell if Chris is feeding me lines or just saying them now into the microphone for everybody. It's hard to distinguish. Turkey vultures, that was all me.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
And he's rolling his shoulders right now listening to compliment him.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
But that distinction of there are superstar calls, and the NBA, by the way, is pretty, I would say, unique. It's unique among sports where it's like every call has room for interpretation. When in the game is it happening? Who is committing it? Who is the person who is on the other side of it? Right. Where on the court is it happening?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
All of this stuff factors into what makes a good call in basketball. And in the end, look, I guess across all sports, though, the reason why I think it's such a hard conversation is because there is truth. The league likes to think of refereeing broadly as a dial to turn. Right? We're over-correcting for some things, we're trying to make up for other things, that happens.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
In the NBA, we saw it, I mean, scoring's way up. What happened? They interpreted the rules differently. Mid-season, and the things changed. In the NFL, there are things that are called now, Dominique, that didn't used to be called that way, because there was an actual change. The specific, though, favor trading of, we are rewarding a superstar team as an entity, That's where I agree.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I deserved that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Go on. Dominique, you should know that David tried to high-five me when I wasn't trying to high-five him.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Yeah, just so Dominique can be brought in, caught up on the show as we do substitute teacher week here. Oh, gosh. Look, I'm not trying to high five you. I'm just gesturing in your direction. The other reason I wanted to bring Dominique in beyond establishing the rules of consensual 90s mode. which I like.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Do we need some fanfare here?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The kids today appreciate that he had it tucked right there.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Looney Tunes is how I learn most cultural references.
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Looking at some tall, dark, and handsome.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, get to it.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Do you have a specific lie?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Should have talked your way into an earlier plane.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Hold on. I think we have to enter consensual 90s mode before we do that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'll give them a question. We know Amin's policy. Amin will do pro bono Sports Nation for any bouncer or security guard. But if you're an Uber driver who asks Amin, what do you do? Amin is lying his ass off immediately.
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All right, David. I'm just asking. It's important.
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Can I bring Dominique back in? Because Amin said something else, Dominique, that made me glad that you were here and available before you get on your flight to New Orleans, which is that Amin was just in Arizona, and he had witnessed a special sporting milestone.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The guy who used to co-host Sports Nation is despondent right now. What's happening?
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You criticize him and his weird press conferences, and you do so less so now, obviously, by the way, a separate story, but the whole point is, look over there at the guy we put on camera at the presser next to Jason Kidd. Don't look at the people who actually had the power to make this deal happen. It's an incredible gift we've given to a person, by the way, Miriam Adelson.
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Just for the record here, was Trump's biggest donor in 2020? These are just facts. I'm not gonna present them with any sort of editorializing. Just facts about who she is.
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I just wanna point out that she was Trump's biggest donor in 2020. She is a super donor to the Republican Party in its most mutated state. Mutated also feels objective at this point. And she is the architect, quietly, of Trump's whole policy in the Middle East. Which, by the way, happens to be relevant certainly right now and yesterday.
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She has been all over the biggest story in sports and the biggest story in politics at the same time. And nobody is really talking about her. And that is an amazing bit of theater for us to miss.
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It's a great question. To me, David, you would... So the reason I love that David is here, by the way... Great question, Chris. It's because...
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That's so rare. When it comes to meat shields and when it comes to people, executives running a team who must be trotted out there to be deeply unpopular in front of the press. To cover for the owner of the team, I present to you David Sampson.
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There's a lot going on today. There's too much going on, I would argue. David hates when I say this to start any show. There is, I would say, it's an unprecedented degree of substitute teacher vibes going on in the studio today. Chris Cody's dancing.
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So this is something that we reported and Pablo Torre finds out that the NBA called me to push back on immediately. The concern had been that Miriam Adelson, if you Google her, is so toxic that the NBA said, we need a meat shield for her. And that ended up being, reportedly, according to our reporting, Patrick Dumont. Well, that's a fact. That's not a report. He is the principal owner.
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He's the governor of the Mavericks. But an anonymous guy who is her son-in-law, who is, in fact, the governor who shows up at the meetings, and it's not Miriam. And all of this, again, is it a distinction without a difference? We can argue about that. Where the money comes from seems to be the most relevant thing, as always.
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As I've been told many times, the answer to all of your questions is money. We should probably think about that. But to Chris's question specifically, what's different about this? Why is this an owner thing? it's because it's Luka bleeping Doncic. He's 25 years old.
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All of the superlatives we've all been saying, five-time All-NBA, five years running, made the NBA Finals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. David.
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If Popovich traded Wemby at all, yes, I would say that the immediate reaction would be.
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I was going to say, so I want to laugh at this and pick it apart. And luckily, Amin El-Hassan has just arrived, the guy who just interviewed, I believe, the originator of the Facebook post in question.
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They're casino magnates, the Adelsons, right? Macau, the Sands.
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Okay, here's another connection. Remember when Josh Harris, owner of the Commanders, also owner of the Sixers, went on Monday Night Football and was there with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck, and he thought that something happening was a high-five invitation? And then he grabbed the hand of, I believe, Joe Buck. That's just what happened. with me and Samson. That was terrible.
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It's one of those things where like everybody feels like they're on, they're like at Six Flags. Everybody's in New Orleans for the Super Bowl. They seem to be, I'm watching Stu Gott's post pictures with Mina at like a sandwich shop somewhere getting a po' boy together. And our task here, David, is to have more fun than them.
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I was not trying to high-five you. I thought you were.
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But even bigger picture, right, when it comes to what the NBA's financial interests here, it is interesting to consider that, right? If you're Adam Silver, the question has has has arrived. Should he veto this deal? Should he have vetoed this deal? And just purely cynically, purely following the money, this is a good deal for Adam Silver to have happen in his league, is it not?
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From a pure, like, Luka, go to the Lakers. Lakers have a whole decade of runway of your next all-time player. Dallas... You'll figure it out. Like that feels like a cost benefit that Adam Silver in his heart of hearts would approve of.
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We started the show by saying we have to be more fun than people in New Orleans. And Amin is immediately saying.
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What is the verdict that you have of how Major League Baseball was at running the Expos?
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So this is why I bring it up, though. It's because Amin is... I love Amin's retrospective, his revisiting of how good a GM was David Stern, actually.
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But I'm saying this because ownership and decision-making, when it comes to when the league is taking over teams, kind of hard to disentangle because the incentives for the decisions you make are different now, right? It's different.
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David, as always, we are 100% right when we disagree with you specifically. I thought it was a sticky envelope.
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That has been, for a long time, the dominant theory.
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But to that point, right, as somebody who is also the voice on Basketball Illuminati at the beginning.
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Quoting a story that I'd written about why the NBA is the league most riven with conspiracy, it's because of stuff like this. It's because there is just enough plausibility for these things to take root. But I want to disentangle, like, what is conspiracy and what is actually just business, David?
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All right. When Amin shows, by the way, Amin isn't here. Amin's supposed to be here. Amin is coming. He was on the list. He's coming in from the airport. Amin has the craziest life, I think, of anybody who does this show. He commutes across the country all of the time.
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But I'm not trying to relitigate the frozen envelope. What I'm trying to get back to, though, is this Luca thing, which Anthony Davis, by the way, via a mean story, has brought us back to.
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And it's well liked, not better liked. Thank you. That's my EP. That's my EP.
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Nipples have been rubbed, and it's like 930. Nipples. Yeah. What did I say?
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Can you pull the video from the last time David and I were here where he tried to dap up Dominique? That's in the archive somewhere.
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They're efforting it, I'm told. There should be now. It'll never be Dan with Josh Norman.
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It's security camera footage of the Clevelander bar. And Josh Norman walks in and there is Dan. And somehow... Dan is basically like grinding on the back of Josh Norman. It's an incredible.
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Well, he has beyond cut it. He is not here. It's not cutting close. He's late. And so I want to get into the NBA stuff because last night I was at dinner with David. We were wearing bibs at Joe's Stone Crab, which if you've never seen David Sampson get bibbed, it is a sight to see. He walks in. I mean, Joe's. Can I just. Chris, you've been to Joe's Stone Crab.
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It's the slow dance. Admittedly, in my mind, it was even worse. Over time, I have reimagined this. It's the step and a half back. he takes with him, like come on.
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What is that dance? Forgot about the Eurostep.
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Need it up east. Interesting. We need to call Dominique.
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Do we need to explain what Joe's Stone Crab is to people?
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It's the sort of place where you're walking with David Sampson, and they immediately come up and say, Mr. Sampson, it's so good to have you back. You were greeted by everybody we saw. I'm not exaggerating.
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That's a you problem, buddy. Do we have a picture of David in this bib? Oh, yeah, yeah. You can pull it off of my, speaking of which, at P.S. Toria on Instagram. It's currently on my stardust. I blacked out. I put a bar over the waiter's eyes for privacy reasons, but you could see what the vibe is. Because you think he wouldn't want to be in a photo with me? I just can't be sure.
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They're right there. We ate at 5 p.m. And none of those people are scrolling through my Instagram feed.
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Can you guys Google Robert Graham for me and explain who this person is? Because I've never heard that name before in my life.
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I know, you always try to say that. And I'm like, dude, we're rolling out the AV cart. This is what we do.
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I do want to bring us in to what I was doing at dinner because what I was doing while on my cell phone was actually doing a bit of reporting. It's what I do. I find stuff out. There's supposed to be a Kevin Durant trade happening and it hasn't happened yet. And I'm not alone in saying this. Jeremy, the Internet has been ablaze.
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Basically, everybody who's even tangentially involved with the NBA has been hinting without reporting Kevin Durant's about to be traded. And they're supposed to be, in my understanding, to be even more irresponsible, like a three team deal involving some major franchises. So what is the latest? What is the Internet telling everybody?
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Who are the Heat supposed to get in this?
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Ooh! Which is funny. Look, I want to talk about ownership, though, because we just referenced just now the Phoenix Suns and their owner, Matt Ishbia. Like, what is he doing? I was hoping Amin would be here for this, but we can pick it up when he's also around. I think that the media in general, the way we talk about the Luka Doncic thing is very backwards.
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I think it's remarkable how much we've missed the forest and the trees. This is a story about ownership. Nico Harrison has gone from a guy, I've never seen, speaking of guys, I've never seen a guy go from zero to one million in terms of nobody knows who he is to everybody has a developed opinion.
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I don't think people even know, largely, that Mark Cuban no longer owns the Dallas Mavericks. And it infuriates me because I did an episode about who does own the Dallas Mavericks, obviously, Miriam Adelson and her son-in-law, Patrick. Where can we find that episode? Palpatory finds out. It's available on YouTube. We have 99.2, 99,200 subscribers come be our 100th, thousandth?
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What do you get for that?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll send them a photo of the plaque. Such a Pablo thing, isn't it? I digress. The point is, this is an ownership story, and it's less so a GM story. As much as the GM story is colorful and funny and amazing, but I just think you must follow the money here. And the money is a very clear...
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it makes it made no sense to me well i'm not buying it look at that it's the feeder of all of it right look and again do i buy that lebron didn't know about this do i buy that uh yeah clutch was not involved when they represent lebron and anthony davis in this and they wouldn't have shared information i don't buy any of that obviously but the owner's story
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This is a multi-billion dollar franchise at the center of which is this kid, is this 25-year-old. And Nico Harrison does not have the power unilaterally to be like, I have an idea. This has to come from the people who own and bought the team. No, the idea can come from the GM, but it has to get approved by the owner. But my point is, the idea can't go anywhere without the owner.
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unless the person who pays the bills is like, yes. And so to your point, I wanna acknowledge the best case scenario for this story in terms of, what were the Adelson sort of aware of? It's that they didn't care. Right. The question of how much should you be as a Mavs fan at the owners of your team?
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The most generous interpretation of the order of events here is that they didn't care when Nico Harrison was like, I have an idea. They said, whatever, go do it. Like, we're not going to spend a ton of time thinking about this.
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David, I think we've drawn the line. The Mendoza line exists in baseball. This is the Luka Doncic line. If your GM comes to you and says, I'm going to trade Luka Doncic right now, I just want the owner to say, that's an insanely stupid idea. That's all I want them to do. They don't have to do more than that. Which is probably what Mark Cuban would have done.
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So the Mark Cuban part of this is for me. That's my favorite part of this whole story is the Mark Cuban part. So refresh our memory, David, because you were out ahead on this. Truly. When it came to Mark Cuban. Getting crushed. Selling to Miriam Adelson and Patrick Dumont.
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I'm trying to set David up for a victory lap, and he's somehow turning it into a parade of defeats.
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This is this is a story about the theater of power who actually has it, who pretends like they have it, who performs it. Nico Harrison is the greatest gift to Miriam Adelson. Not because he got Luka Doncic out of there, because everybody is simply talking about his incompetence. It's the thing with Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell's great value to NFL ownership is that he is the meat shield.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Juju, thank you. Thank you. I mean that sincerely. I feel like I picked the worst time to pop into the studio. It smells of PETA. Jeremy's palpably uncomfortable, and I cannot help but contract not just the disease that Dan was alluding to that's been floating around here, but also just the awkwardness from Jeremy.
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Is there anything that people— Wait, you're pivoting off of that real quick. Man, I had gotten generally positive feedback before this. Happy Greg Cody History Month, by the way.
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you can't re you can't hurt me and then tell me how i supposed to react you feel me but at the same time the second man is always flat in football so you got to temper your reactions i i'm just processing still that drake was in australia trying to get as far away as possible from the united states to do anything resembling music that's what i'm about to do and still And still, he was caught.
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The idea that Drake doesn't, he literally has nowhere he can hide is kind of a special thing. I don't know if we've had, I don't know if any beef has resulted in a global surveillance state that will not allow the loser to at least go away.
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here to say that Drake deserves our sympathies I am just here to point out that it's pretty extreme and it's therefore very funny but it is extreme like I don't know if you're look Drake doesn't have any friends right now I don't know what he would be advised I don't know where you go if you're trying to you know prove that you're not bothered by this but a random bar in Australia gotta go further Drake you gotta go I don't know you gotta go to one of those islands with like 50 people on it
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I just got to Google to make sure that this is a hypothetical right now. Hold on real quick. Jesus.
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I'm just making sure that this is not a trap inside of a trap. What are you texting? I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. Cut out the part where I had to Google anything. I'm going. I'm there. Of course I'm there. He's the most popular person on a show that is... Soon to be allegedly dearly departed, that changed my life.
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And Woody Page, even though he used to steal my FaceTime topics during the show after I used to say to the producers, I do feel like I owe him a debt. And it's a literal debt because my daughter is going to a private kindergarten probably next year. So, you know.
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I might be performing at it. Technology.
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I mean, look, sorry about David Sampson, who will tell you all of the ways in which he is going to actively.
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Give me an and I'll get a sense of whether I can truly, yeah, be entertaining enough for you while also preserving my own human dignity. J.A. Adande. Oh, come on. He's awful young to die. This is all of the Around the World panelists? Yes, J.A., I... Look, yes. Clinton Yates. Can I go? Can I leave now? Tim Kalashaw.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
No, he'll be there just for the celebrities. Where am I on the seating chart? I mean, that's the thing. If I get a plus one, you know. All right, goodbye.
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Did we get our first no?
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Yes, yes. Honestly, if I got to give a speech at Vivek's funeral, I would consider it. So on my show, we have a story today that's very interesting. It's how in living color. you know, the TV show. Yeah. How it changed the Super Bowl halftime show forever. Yes, it did. Super Bowl halftime. Amin, okay, Amin maybe knows some of this story. It's incredible. It is an incredible story, yeah.
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Oh my God, it's 1992. Wyatt Cenac was a guest on this with Sarah Spain. We had a lot of fun reliving this. Wyatt wanted to make an in-living color documentary. Couldn't do it, but we got to get What he found out, which was some of the inner details of how a 1992 Fox dared to steal audience from CBS, which was doing a halftime show that was emblematically horrible.
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And I'll save the details for you guys to lick, to click and lick, I guess. But it's it's remarkable how we owe a debt. to the Wayanses and David Alan Greer and Jim Carrey for birthing like the biggest piece of cultural real estate in America.
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Married with children. The Simpsons.
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Just know that the following year, the NFL was so threatened, so threatened that, A, we have no idea who even bothers to compete anymore because they followed that horrible halftime show, which you should watch. It's in the episode with literally Michael Jackson. Like they were like, we got to bring out the nuclear weapons. We will never be embarrassed by sketch comedy again.
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I would like to know his VORC, Value Over Replacement Commissioner. We should have analytics about this. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying we should debate this. We should debate this in the way that we debate athlete contracts.
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Goodbye.
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Yeah, I do like that Cam Newton is now like an ombudsman character. I just appreciate that. I like his hats. I like his journalistic curiosities. I'm into it. The thing that he is saying, though, I mean, look, Amin is fundamentally right. Like, of course, these are lawsuits where people are afraid to comment because there might be further litigation.
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They might get sued themselves or be liable for stuff. I get it. Not the same. But but the notion that cams at with like, hey, this is humiliating. You make us talk about this. Why don't you talk about it? You could have put in another example. And I think the point would have been well or better made.
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There is a bit of a hypocrisy when it comes to media people not wanting to answer tough questions that we would expect. out of the public interest, celebrities in general, to have to answer. And now, Dan, to your point, the fact that everybody is a public figure, the fact that everybody is public enough and interest, the bar on that is so low because everybody is interested in something weird.
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Okay, well, maybe there's an audience member who wants to know the answer to this question. It's as messy as you're painting it. I think the distinction between you're famous, you get paid a lot of money, Therefore, we can hold you to account to tell us how it felt when you did something publicly that was embarrassing. It's just not about athletes.
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It's not about celebrities, actors, Hollywood people. Everybody now meets that qualification. And so, yeah, it's uncomfortable. We all everybody in talking to microphones should be uncomfortable that someone like Cam Newton wearing that hat is going to be like, you should feel the way that I feel.
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Well, I think one basic thing that an athlete, for instance, could be frustrated by, understandably, is that we know everything about how much money they're making.
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That's true. We know all of the details. And in fact, we know them to the point where we argue about it and how they don't deserve it. And in reality, right, like again, and the excuse had been, I mean, you know, this again, having having explored such cap sheets. The example was justified because they got paid so much.
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And and and I just think that the thing we're trying to bridge all of the time is when do you have so much economic, cultural celebrity privilege that you get a higher degree of scrutiny? And I think there are just a lot of people around who actually don't want that. And shouldn't want that.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And if they knew that this was maybe going to come for them, wouldn't wouldn't want the athletes to have it meant protecting themselves. And I happen to be one of them. So, like, yeah, it's uncomfortable. But then you go into the realm, Dan, of like, hey, sports is different. And then we have to just we have to just explain very carefully why we think sports is different.
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And maybe there's an argument there. I'd like to make it, but it's an increasingly less persuasive one.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Yes, I think. Look, I think the immediate hypocrisy, right, is not. And this is where I would push back on Cam, I guess, like the real the real beneficiaries of the unequal treatment between athletes, let's say, and other people may be similarly situated, increasingly similarly situated. Is it media people? It's all it's their bosses.
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Like, you want to know, I would want to know, hey, your front office, what are you guys getting paid? Right? Like, it's uncapped, number one, typically. It's a fascinating thing. What would you spend on executives when there was no restriction on how much you could pay them? And the Goodell thing is maybe the most flagrant one because the answer invariably ends up having sticker shock, right?
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It's like 50, fact check me, please. Jeremy, I trust your journalistic ethics. Please tell me what Roger Goodell has been making the last couple of years.
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But can I I do want to make the case for why sports and athletes do deserve to be held to a degree of scrutiny that is higher than just, let's say, again, the average citizen. I mean, it was hard. I remember Naomi Osaka, the tennis player, of course, basically making an argument.
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I fundamentally feel not just uncomfortable, but I feel that it's unfair that I Naomi Osaka gets scrutinized in my most like emotionally harrowing moments after a defeat by people who are just trying to picket the bones of my life. It feels mean. It feels cruel. It feels unfair. It feels, in her view, I think institutionally like just wrong. And I do have an argument against that. Right.
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Like the whole point of performing in public fundamentally is that you get the benefits of the crowd, but also the pain. Like if we are to consider what you do important, people are going to care enough to dissect it. And at a certain point, adversarial questioning. And again, there are lines, of course.
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And Dan, as a columnist, you know, those lines where it's too far, it's too mean, it's too invasive. But generally getting asked hard questions that, by the way, you can say no comment to or you can evade it however way as many as Derek Jeter used to all the time in New York. You have the right to do that. But the questions should be asked.
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I'm not saying that they shouldn't be held to a degree of scrutiny. That's crazy relative to an average person. I just think that it's fair for them to then say, well, what about everybody else who I think would fall under that same criteria of public benefit and therefore public pain?
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Yeah, I'm curious about that. Sorry to interrupt. Dan, how do you feel about that? Like the locker room reporters out of their dynamic?
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One of the funniest things is when I went to cover some Final Fours. I was in Houston covering the Final Four for Sports Illustrated a zillion years ago now. And it's the one place. I don't know if it's still the same way. Maybe someone can correct me who's been more recently.
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Oh, Dan. Oh, my God. I was sitting in front of Drake. Drake and Vince Young were behind me, and I was like a fact checker at Sports Illustrated. God bless how they used to respect us.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out.
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85, that number had doubled, now half a million fax machines. And now it's journalists, it's doctors, it's lawyers. It's that scene in Back to the Future 2 where old Marty McFly gets fired via fax.
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And so in the era before the internet, before DocuSign, before all of this, there was this question which I did not appreciate because I was a little kid at the time. But everyone seemed to be asking, which was, what's your fax number?
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Wait, I don't know this.
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That was our home number.
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No, no. It's right here in the city. It's the same as 212. They just multiplied it by three. And then they added one to the middle number.
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according to this book, faxed the rise and fall of the fax machine. Americans were faxing, quote, pizza orders, song requests, party invitations, greeting cards, ski reports, amniocentesis results, baby footprints, children's drawings, vows of eternal love. I had forgotten that this was not merely a business machine. This was people enjoying the novelty of communication. It is magical.
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You send a piece of paper in one room and across the world, it shows up in another. It is pretty f***ed.
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You've Got Facts is a very different rom-com. Agreed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, wouldn't work at all. Now, in sports though, the business that you worked in, there was one national holiday that to me is the encapsulation of the centrality of the fax machine.
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We had a box in this studio yesterday and the cleaning crew, our great cleaning crew here in our building, threw out the box containing like the headset because they thought it was trash. They're like, this can- It's being disposed, this relic. This must be a box containing like rotten fruit or some sh**.
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And so National Sports Facts Day was a thing where Phil Knight, co-founder of Nike, would sit in the football office at Oregon, his alma mater, on signing day and just stare at the fax machine. So- Deliver us. Deliver us our next great star. It got to the point, I mean, Ole Miss, they were obsessed with this. They had a Canon IR C3080, and they had a play in their playbook called Fax.
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The Wall Street Journal reported that at the University of Miami, the fax technician, this is a quote, didn't show up until the morning of signing day. Sure enough, the machine broke down after the first couple of letters, causing the staff to scramble to get recruits to send their letters elsewhere. End quote. It was not merely ceremonial.
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This was actually like the legal procedure to actually register your commitment.
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And if you didn't have it, if the machine was broken, you got f***ed. And to be very clear, this is not a hypothetical scenario. Because our journey into the history of faxes and letters of intent led us to this guy.
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In 1996, Darrell Price was a blue-chip running back who had verbally committed to the Ohio State University. And all he had to do was fax his letter of intent from his home in California to Ohio.
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Faxed, delivered, paid, done. That lady at that convenience store had officially turned the page on Darrell's life. But after he left the convenience store, something felt kind of off. Ohio State's coach, John Cooper, at the time, had personally recruited Durrell. And, by the way, OSU, a powerhouse, had finished top three in the nation five years in a row, which was awesome.
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But now, as Durrell headed home, he was thinking about how far Columbus was from his neighborhood in the San Fernando Valley. He started thinking about how nearby UCLA had also been recruiting him.
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Right after this ad.
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And that is how Darrell Price wound up at UCLA.
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Must have hit a preset. The spirit has now taken over.
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A whole other episode in our ongoing series of technology. Can you imagine losing out on that prospect because you're a fax machine? He couldn't figure it out?
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One addendum to that story, Jay, as we both are laughing at John Cooper and Ohio State, is that his mom was right, apparently. It was not the last time this happened to Ohio State, because 20 years later, National Signing Day 2016, coaches were waiting on their final commitment. This was a big-time recruit, a wide receiver, and the Buckeyes fax machine ran out of paper. Wow.
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Oh. Oh.
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Right.
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Communications etiquette. And now it's just like, here's a JPEG out of nowhere right into your brain that I didn't ask for.
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The reason I brought you here really is because of the most famous fax in the history of faxes. Certainly sports faxes, I would argue faxes in general. And it happened 30 years ago this month.
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Hey, Mikey, we like it. Not a huge surprise, but clearly one of the great comebacks since Burt Reynolds' hairline. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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This was the same thought that everybody from Bulls fans to Bill Clinton in the White House was talking about and thinking about aloud.
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And there's just this one clip from The Last Dance, of course, the docu-series made by our friend Jason Herr, which was about 500 minutes long. But there's this 30-second chunk of this specific moment in which we hear from David Falk, Michael Jordan's longtime agent.
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And tomorrow's. Whoops. The brother in Telefax. Whoops. 1570 MC.
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So the behind the scenes of just the crafting of this document, when it comes to the call that David Fox's office is going to make, Paint the picture there. What's happening from their side of the transmission?
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
They failed to anticipate the internet, PDFs, email, all that. Didn't quite anticipate tomorrow. J.A. Adande, head of Northwestern's sports journalism program, my friend and colleague from ESPN, also longtime sports writer, just inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame last year. Congrats, by the way, on that. Thank you. That's pretty cool. That was pretty cool.
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Yes, the following statement was released today by Michael Jordan through his personal attorney and business manager, David B. Falk, chairman of Falk Associates Management Enterprises Incorporated, FAME, in parentheses, located in Washington, D.C., in response to questions about his future career plans.
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He and his agent Bernie Lee just did it as their whole squabble with the heat was unfolding this year.
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I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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This is one of those historical sports stories to quote now Marshall McLuhan, where the medium was the message. These are pale imitations, J.A., because what Allison had to do, individually sending it to every outlet one at a time that arrived in their offices unbidden, shockingly.
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The quote that she gave you in your reporting, it wasn't like sending a mass email.
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There's no BCC. It sounds like a horse and carriage is what Alison Sadowski told you about her memory of what happened when she got out of the shower to realize, oh my God, I'm about to become a historical character they talk about 30 years later this month.
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But what happens on Sunday, again, you said it was Saturday, setting the scene again. It's Sunday, March 19th, 1995. And conveniently, it's the NBA on NBC.
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Oh, right.
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The Avengers of sports columnists.
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Today, an artist returns to his true canvas, the hardboard courts of the NBA.
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Michael Jordan is back. you know Thank you.
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Thank you.
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The fax machine helped me get there. Did you thank the fax in your speech? I should have. What do you feel when you're now communing at this table with this machine that I haven't seen since the 90s?
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Thank you.
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Just, like, the visuals on this. We are inside of the underbelly of a brewery. There's a giant... Is that... What kind of metal is this? Just, like, very big aluminum sounding. Hi. How's it going? Uh, I'm Pablo. We have a fax machine that, uh... Your name again? Nikki. Nikki said we could plug into a phone jack here.
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We're faxing a guy named David Falk. This incredible hospitality from Torch and Crown Brewery. Holy . John, you're a mensch. The machine is telling me to please wait. Just in case you were wondering what this fax said. Quote, for immediate release, contact Pablo S. Torre, 513-85-Pablo, New York, New York, March 27, 2025.
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The following statement was released today by Pablo S. Torre through his personal friend and business manager, Pablo S. Torre. Host of Pablo Torre Finds Out, also known as PTFO, located in New York, New York, in response to questions about the future of fax machines. I think it's working. Oh, it's working. It's alive. It's alive. It's beautiful.
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Quote. We are so back. End quote. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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All of which was essential to how sports and journalism worked.
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This studio is a time machine today. We are traveling back in time. Do you remember the relic on our desk here? I do.
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And this Chinese family saved your journalistic ass that night.
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For the kids out there, this wasn't just an American phenomenon. This was global.
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This is, she is, well, I guess he is, the brother and telefax 1570 MC from, I believe it's a mid-90s vintage. Ooh, the sound. Those beeps.
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Until now, 33 years later.
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The degree of difficulty when it came to filing something, it's truly unrelatable to people living in 2025 that you had to go through all these hoops and all of that.
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Because it was not the easiest thing to make what feels now like the most automated part of this actually happen. Do you have memories of fighting this machine? Of like struggling with the premise of this machine?
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You saw Francis Ford Coppola, director of The Godfather, sent his agent a fax that he could not refuse.
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This machine here, though, I mean, by the way, this is, for those wondering, not watching on YouTube, this is a Chekhov's fax machine situation. We are going to fire off a fax by the end of this episode. I promise to do that.
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So from Francis Ford Coppola to Michael Jordan, down the line, what we're here to do is tell the story of a machine that shaped the history we all know, even if we never really appreciated it. how good we had it. And also, I think it's going to take us back to a time that we wish we still did.
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The haptic sensation of pressing a keypad on a... And again, this is... Yeah, reach over there. Yep. It feels good. We don't do that enough. No. We don't dial.
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The history of the fax machine, I don't know if you've become familiar with the deep dive that we have personally been doing here at Pablo Torre Finds Out. But you can trace a line back to 1924, and there's this guy, an American, named Richard Ranger. And Richard Ranger invented the photoradiogram.
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And what he did with this photoradiogram was wirelessly send a photo from New York to London of Calvin Coolidge. That was the first fax transmission. It all starts with that. And then 1966, to fast forward, it's Xerox, and they introduced the Magnafax telecopier. And this is the thing that connects to any telephone line within merely six minutes. And you're willing to pay the long-distance toll.
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Do you remember Almost Famous? There's that scene where Rolling Stone wants William, the protagonist, to send his story to the fact checker.
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Oh, my God. That is now the mark that people are trying to improve on. So 1974, we're down to three minutes a page. By 1980, and this is, I think, the big globalized revolution, the Japanese make this commercially viable. And at this point, by 1980, there are approximately 250,000 fax machines in the U.S., And they're being advertised. There are commercials.
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pressed a button. When was the last time you beheld a 15 by 15, eight and a half inch high gray device that was essential to your former life? was instrumental in my childhood memory. And also, this is not a joke. We bought this on eBay.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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But the list of people who deserve a private jet, number one is Red Panda.
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So just to keep the counting.
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We've already talked about a prodigious amount of vomit, an alleged assault. Alleged? And then also the mascot of a school that is presumably based on the guy who makes the decision on whether you go to hell or not in St. Peter's.
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But the West region, Roger— Sorry, we derailed you in ways that are now too difficult to summarize.
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I can't stop laughing at your general suffering.
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I am now realizing that this is what I had previously only known as that trash can team.
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So just... This is post-game and dude walks in and everybody is already in ceremonial.
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Yes. It's a little violent. The towel being snapped repeatedly only to set up the elbow drop.
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That's like Deion Sanders sh**. No one does it like her. She's a star. Should be a Hall of Famer. We've tried to crusade for this. We continue to crusade for this. It's a pablatory topic for sure. I mean, she's just the greatest.
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So how did this start though?
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We're just, we're just whipping these orphan.
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This is a real, by the way, just a tremendous reclaiming of trash can beating that I thought the Astros had just totally monopolized. And they're like, there's still, there's still meat left on the bone inside of this trash can.
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You know, I don't know what happened. I'm going to guess that they eventually also beat that trash can though.
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The East region, Roger, as you spin the globe.
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So that's a kangaroo next to a giant letter A. Yes.
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I can only imagine that zip is involved, but no.
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I know zero other facts about the Akron Zips.
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The BF Goodrich Company is what this Wikipedia page is instructing me to point out.
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Yeah, I mean, West Virginia has a literal coonskin cap-wearing, rifle-toting man.
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So Chihuahua guy, for those who are not familiar with Chihuahua guy, the Chihuahua does what?
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As established.
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I had not thought about this statistic, that the Delaware Bluehands and the Akron Zips have the only explicitly female mascots.
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In men's basketball, yes.
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The amount of reporting that has gone into these observations you've made is genuinely kind of breaking my brain.
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Right after this ad.
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There's something in there. I'm not... Well, anyway, I don't want to... Don't look at me. Sorry. Ever since I found out that the kangaroo was female, I've gotten really uncomfortable with my observations about the kangaroo.
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The Sugar Bears.
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The guy is the course.
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Which is to say that you are picking the Akron Zips to upset Arizona in the first round.
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Let's take your blimp south. Roger.
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I've only seen the guy. As the course.
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They were D2 last season?
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Well, all I got in my mind is, you know, the Little Mermaid.
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I just applaud them for avoiding a lawsuit despite the similarities to this.
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I cannot possibly interpret that clip as anything other than an allegory for Lucy talking to her dad at a North Carolina-Iowa basketball game.
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Before we get to that, Prince Eric, also, I'm filing a retroactive lawsuit against you. Yeah, what's the age gap there? Age gap has got to be huge.
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That feels like the most realistic part of the male-female dynamic depicted.
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I don't know what Atlantis' age of consent is, but we are picking UC San Diego to upset Michigan. The Midwest.
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I would like to see a North versus South side of the bracket now that you mention it. I'd like to re-litigate that in every possible facet of American life, including this tournament.
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How bad are we talking?
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It's a reasonable inquiry. Has any granny actually shot granny style as we watch? Yeah. Yeah. So this dude is large, I should say.
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The patron saint of granny style.
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An inspirational tale of a mentor and a mentee.
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Christian Stoynev, Illinois State graduate, 2013. You know what's— And Scooby. Scooby is the Chihuahua? Scooby. The Chihuahua that sits atop the physical human platform that is Christian.
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I think this is, I mean, if there's any ambiguity around how different college basketball is from the NBA, Just know that there is a center who is shooting 28% who hired a personal consultant who clearly was dying to be asked to do this. Yes, he flew for California. No one calls Rick Barry to do the thing that Rick Barry has been waiting for someone to ask him to do.
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We've optimized everything.
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Wofford over Tennessee is the pick.
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Lucy, you guys have been simpatico for most of this taping.
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But you have a take, Lucy, that I want Roger to hear. So proceed.
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I agree.
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Now, you say that, but we were looking at this photograph, and this— Oh, we lost that game. I mean, just to give the visual on this, Lucy, who looks to be 15 1⁄2, is wearing an Iowa No. 1 jersey. Yeah, we were No. 1. Right next to you, though, well, to your right is a guy who's not nearly into this to anywhere close to the degree that you are. But to your left is, who is that?
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It is. We don't really think about that, but you're totally right. You're totally right that on the calendar, when it comes to monetizing your dog, it's your— Your talented dogs. That's right. It's talented dog season.
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What does that mean?
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High production values on the costume.
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Does he like Elvis?
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What a job, though, if he didn't.
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I'm just trapped in a prison of my own devising.
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That does feel like when the mascots of two different schools who are also the same mascot but slightly different do encounter each other.
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At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, we go around the room and we say what we found out today. Roger, would you like to lead us off?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I found out that your friendship, Roger and Lucy, can survive anything. Even possibly a macho waterfall of Lucy's vomit.
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I also found out that the actual North Carolina ram has enormous balls.
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This computer has seen a lot worse.
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I mean, I just want to thank BOFA, you guys, for joining me. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Roger Sherman, Lucy Rodin. I am not somebody who goes on the road anymore in the ways that I want to. But how would you mathematically add up how much time you spent at college campuses over the last year between the two of you?
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Lucy's frowning at her cell phone.
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One time feels, based on the total opportunities, to get various stomach viruses. Not bad, yeah.
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Was it a Tracy Morgan at Madison Square Garden situation?
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I am told, so I conducted a brief investigation. I am told sources close to Tracy Morgan inform me that he is okay. Okay.
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You've got Tracy Morgan sources? Roger, I got sources you never even dreamed of. That's incredible.
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Not quite courtside at the garden.
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Share and tell. I apologize for laughing.
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One quick question. Is there any chance because it was so green that people were like, that's not vomit?
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Oh, man.
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Which is all to say that in the time that you guys hung out together, Roger remained unvomited upon.
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This is the journalism that we all aspire to.
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Tough, tough scene. So this is the time when we contemplate. Yeah, the cosmic celestial fates of the teams on this bracket. They gave us paper brackets. We have paper. I don't have a printer. We have printed out paper brackets.
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You guys have spent so much time around college students, college athletes, that your interpretation of how this is going to go from a metaphysical level is actually news I could use. And Roger, I feel like you have done, as is your want, as is your Substack's whole deal, a genuinely insane amount of research. So how do you assess the four quadrants on this bracket?
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No.
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So just for the record, though, so like Duke and Cooper flag. Who? Not interested, but the fact that Cooper Flagg's mom is very angry at Carolina. I love her. Lucy is already making noises.
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No more hopes and dreams.
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Those got vomited out in a Nissan Sentra.
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You do realize when you're doing the Lucy 16-year-old voice, it's literally the same as Lucy in the present tense voice.
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You look 15.
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What? I'm sorry. I got assaulted. I feel like I am responsible for retroactively filing a police report. So here's how that went.
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Right. So in other words, quote, a big F you to the entire Carolina fan base for being classless a-holes.
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Our investigation continues.
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I find it very difficult to disagree with your rankings of who's the bigger a**hole based on your personal experience.
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I was assaulted. Roger's writing down notes on his breath.
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I'm going to cross UNC off too.
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Red Panda absolutely does not have a private jet.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on. You're saying this is the real-life Ram? Yes, yes, yes. With anatomically, like, just in real life.
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I once went, so I used to cover the NCAA tournament for Sports Illustrated all the time, and I remember going into a bathroom at a regional, And into the bathroom, as I was at the urinal, walked Ramses. And he went into a stall. And now I realize if I had peeked into that stall, I would have seen some... Some things.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think I took a photo of this.
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That might also be illegal.
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Yeah, real, like, Disneyland Mickey Mouse smoking a cigarette vibes.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
I think there might be a Tony Award for Greg Cody later on this year, by the way.
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The Tony Show, Tony Awards. A gala.
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By the way, he is so back. Love his blind host, him and his wife. They're doing a great job. A wife, not so much.
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Travel, obviously, for wherever they're coming from. First class, I'd imagine.
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You guys don't ever get, you get these, like, little glasses of orange juice sometimes. I would be insulted if they gave me this and I said, hey, let me get a glass of orange juice, and they hand me this.
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It would be in a smaller glass is my point. Fill it up to the top. Okay.
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No, it's too much. I did. Stu, remember you went to mine?
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Greg, how about more of like a renewing of your vows, right? You guys do it big, right? Right. You and Erlene, all of a sudden, it's like walking down the aisle just like it was in 1974. Yeah. Right? And you look back and you see Uncle Dick there, still your best man.
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Like eight years? No, you can't do it on an odd number like that. Even though it's an even number, you can't do it on an odd number. It's got to be like 25 maybe?
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I could see Tony doing it. He'll do it tomorrow. Me and my wife have talked about doing it. Taking everybody to Hawaii, doing it in Hawaii on the beach.
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You have cute what? I call her Bebe. Really?
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What does she call you? Bebe. Oh, okay. Sorry. The same one.
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There you go. Don't love that as much. She calls me Roy. That feels like you're perpetually in trouble, though. If she calls you by your first full name, like whenever I hear Anthony, I know I'm in deep trouble.
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And Jumpin' Charlie. That's your pet name right there.
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Do they have cars? What? Do they have Canadian cars? They have a Hyundai.
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Yeah, but they don't have like a car that's made in Canada, like a Canadian car.
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No, no, no, I know, I get that, but we're calling them American cars, but are there Canadian cars? I think there are. I believe, yeah. What is it, like Kia from Canada or something? No, that's South Korea.
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That's what I'm saying. There's no car brand that is a Canadian car. They use our stuff.
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It's almost like he doesn't like farting, right? I think that's the issue.
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But Dan, you're like Lance Armstrong. You're like blood doping. What's going on here?
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Stay over. No. You know, when you're the coach of the Jaguars, maybe go to the restaurant that has your name in it. Never do anything Urban Meyer style. You have no room for the Holy Ghost. David, when you're the president of a baseball team, how much were you saying no to stuff in the flow of a season when it came to special treatments?
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What's the most absurd ask given this array of possibilities that you hated to get because it felt like way over the line but was very common?
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You got a ham. You got a cheese. You got a little Capri Sun.
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So just to spell that out.
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Wait, wait. You developed a citizenship test for someone's relationship.
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So, again, this is a difference. You said I want paperwork with a level of just arousal there that I just feel like.
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So I was going to get to that. I love you, Mickey, by the way. We certainly believe that less than we did before you said that story.
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I was going to wonder aloud about the bottom line performance criterion of just, hey, is this guy actually just worth it, right? He's still hitting. He's still the guy we need to give the ball to at the end of the game. LeBron, again, famously, just to add another example from recent history, remember when Phil Jackson got in trouble for the posse comment? Mm-hmm.
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He got in trouble because he was objecting to the treatment that LeBron was begrudgingly given by Pat Riley, who was running the Heat, because LeBron got to dictate his travel schedule. His friends, like his business partner, Maverick Carter, as well as his other associates that he wanted to bring along.
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He got in trouble because of... He used the word that felt like it did not reflect an understanding of the legitimacy of those guys and also the racial history of America in general. All of these things are true. Thank you for clarifying that, Dominique.
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But the point being that he's LeBron, of course.
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Yes, I'm talking about player empowerment, right? And what we're really talking about is superstars getting to dictate terms in a way that reflects their understanding of the scarcity of their talents.
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All right. It's time for me to take the wheel back. There's another story, David, that I thought of you when I was reading it because it is titled, The Allure of Microdosing Ozempic. So there is a whole, and Dominique is giving a face that I think is the right reaction when I say, David Sampson, I thought of you when I was reading this story.
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And the subhead is, some people are taking tiny amounts of weight loss medications, hoping to drop pounds while avoiding side effects. Does it work? And the spoiler alert on this is that there is no real solid scientific consensus, but it does seem like there is a community of people that is seeing benefits from this in a way that feels both encouraging,
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because it speaks to, again, the way the body's chemistry and the science of both weight loss and hunger are actually shaped by levers we can pull, but also seems like it's too early to spike the football. We've solved the problem of people struggling to lose weight. And I think of David, Dominique, because I don't think a lot of people know this necessarily.
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And David, forgive me if this is not the intro that you wanted, but weight is something that you personally have learned had to reckon with, despite the fact that no one would look at you and say, that is a guy who is struggling with weight.
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And David, when you say you were sick and had a disorder, that was the way you lost weight. What are you describing there? Just so we can bring people into this conversation.
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That is the work of a structural engineer. That's a build? God damn. I told you. I don't lie to you guys. And that in some ways is its own concern. The share and tell topic I brought with both of you guys is this Juan Soto topic. And there is a part of the John Heyman reporting on this. He's the guy who's been on top of all of this.
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Hold on. Hold on. David is clearly comfortable enough to want to talk about this. Okay. I have a real conversation in real life with David. He can vouch for this. And then I'm reading all these news stories and I'm like, wait a minute. This is something that I want to talk to Dominique and David about because David is as described. I am somebody who has had an incredible metabolism.
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And Dominique, I've shared this with you, but it's really just me calling myself out. You know, it's like, oh, wait a minute. Am I pre-diabetic now because I'm not eating healthily? Which is the thing that I have, by the way, last blood test, I've gotten out of it for now. We're all pre-diabetic. I know. We're all day-to-day, as they say.
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But the point being that I am feeling as a dad, like when David said I cover my stomach with my arms, you may notice on the YouTube or DraftKings Network that I was also doing that for the same f***.
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reason and i am realizing my metabolism is is done and i need to figure out uh my own issues with like how do i look in public and dominique is of course a former professional athlete whose physical health has been something he invests in in a rigorous way and so here we are three legs of a f***ed up tripod and i just wanted to revel in that for a second we reveled
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David, the word you use, which I think is appropriate, and by the way, I do want to acknowledge, right? Like, the reason I find all of this especially interesting is because we are dudes. And this is typically something that women, of course, are socially conditioned to be horrified by. And we've seen many movies about that. This, I think, relatively less so, which is why I want to lean into it.
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But you used the word before, which is dysmorphia. And I think that is a good word for this because it of course describes a feeling of profound unease or dissatisfaction, but it also indicates that there is a misalignment of reality and perception.
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And so when David is the guy, David, who is analyzing a table of hotel key cards with numbers, and he's a guy who is examining a stadium and picking out every little flaw and making sure it's right, it does track that you would turn that same gaze onto yourself.
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in a way that indicates, even though you're the guy who also, I don't think you've said this explicitly on this show, this bluntly, you're the guy who once ran how many marathons and how many continents and how many days, right? Seven and seven and seven?
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I feel like that sort of proved my point actually, the one I was gesturing towards. But David, the point being that of course you're also that guy. You can't turn it off.
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He tends to be on top of Scott Boris represented athletes, if you've been paying attention to the game within the game. But he has great color on this story, David. And so I just want to read a part of the reporting. Of course, Juan Soto, now a New York Met. They outbid the New York Yankees. The Mets paid $760 million over 15 years, a record price. All that stuff is true.
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I feel like we should go with a bit of a holiday spirit topic. And I want to know the best and worst gifts you guys have received.
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David, you give him a prompt. He's like, got it in a second. And it makes me think that he has contemplated every question I've ever asked anybody ever. This is not rehearsed.
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I did not prep you guys about this.
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I believe it's called mens rea when it comes to the criminal law. What is the motive here that you have diagnosed?
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I do love that the guy who can't stop paying attention to the most microscopic detail is given three years in a row the same gift again.
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So I agree that, and I was going to pivot to sort of how gift-giving in adulthood as a parent has been so much not about me anymore to the point where, like, I can't remember, but... I want to go to the Sega Genesis thing for a second because that feeling of like unboxing a gift is both something that I, on some level, am chasing, even if I don't totally know it.
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And I know that others are because the most popular, of course, genre, one of the most popular genres on YouTube, of course, is unboxing videos in which you're watching other people unveil their gift. And so there is just something about that feeling of being a kid, getting a present, and the promise of this is exactly...
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It's the promise of your emotional needs will be satisfied by this material possession. And over time, that has been worn down to such a raggedy nub. But at the time, as a fellow Sega Genesis haver, I remember that exact Christmas of being like, oh my God, this hedgehog is going to make me happy. And it did for a while. And now as an adult, I'm like you, Dominique, I am not a good gift giver.
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But it seems like one thing the Yankees would not budge on, which was startling to me, was the inclusion of a suite, a luxury suite. Quote, the Yankees felt they couldn't give a suite to Soto as part of this deal. When Judge, Aaron Judge, pays for his suite, and even Derek Jeter paid, they were willing to discount a suite, but not alter their precedent.
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I am a self-gifter where I'm just like, okay, I feel like- If you want it, you buy it. Yes. So the worst gift I've given is the gift I gave to myself, which is I am one of the idiots who bought the Apple Vision Pro. Oh, there it is. Me and David Sampson, both raising our hands. We bought the VR headset.
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Amazing. First off, we should talk about re-gifting. But how many times did you use it, David, before you decided to re-gift it? It was unopened.
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It was bad for the goose. It was traumatic for the goose. It's goose shit, but it's a goose nonetheless. I don't think we necessarily agree on the meaning of this idiom.
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I don't... Did you guys ever do the thing where you gave... I remember giving my mom this.
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Yeah, I knew you were going to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You write a custom coupon book, and it's like, I will clean my room. I will, whatever, not play Sega Genesis. And you would tear them off and hand it to your mom. Ever think, David, you're familiar with the coupon as a... Creative project?
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What happened at the party?
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I think that's it. I think that's it.
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I was going to say, it's rare that the control room weighs in through my ear and just says, David is bumming everybody out.
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Meanwhile, Steve Cohen, one of the 100 richest men in the world, apparently, quote, didn't give the suite much of a thought. When he has his eyes on a prize, he is singularly focused. And so Juan Soto got the super duper duper star treatment. And it made me think about the ways in which there is, in fact, levels of superstar treatment and gifts and benefits and privileges.
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What did we find out today, guys, on this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, an episode in which we found out, I think, a lot of stuff, personally. Yeah. But, Dominique, do you want to lead us off with the revelation that you have developed here today?
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I found out that both of you guys are bad at finding out because all of those things should have been obvious from episode one that we ever did together. Oh, man.
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I invoke superstar privilege. The show is over. Get the f*** out of here. Thank God. See you later, guys. Thank you. Love you guys.
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And both of you guys happen to have, I would say, personal viewpoints, I assume informed by your roles in your past lives.
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Yeah, it feels vague and fluffy.
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I think it's interesting, though, that Dominique's brain went to a place where mine did, which was, there is something, though, about the furniture that you have to see every day. There's something, David, famously, Barry Bonds had the double-wide locker as well. There is a list of examples. throughout sports history.
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I mean, Giannis Antetokounmpo, you might say that Thanasis, his brother, just being around, him getting the other deal. Is that a benefit, like an extra wide double locker?
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What I find so interesting, David, also just to sort of characterize this. It's interesting to think about this as a zero sum game, right? Like in terms of real estate roster spots, there are only so many of these that can be given out. And so someone is actively not getting something if the super duper duper star is getting it.
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And your view in terms of a guy who had to worry about, okay, here's the payroll, here's the composition of the clubhouse. Your view was how often was that challenged by this privilege?
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How was he on the culture? How was he phenosis-like in terms of impacting the culture of your clubhouse?
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I don't want to relitigate Bronny, but Dominique, as somebody who played in the league, how obvious was it on the teams you played for that actually there were guys who were getting stuff that you guys could not dream of getting?
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Yeah, Joel Embiid, I was going to say, famously just got in trouble because Tyrese Maxey was calling him out, allegedly, reportedly, for having the temerity to show up and treat time as a construct. Was it mitigated or unmitigated? It seems like it was increasingly mitigated. Yeah, yeah.
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Do you guys ever do a joining room slumber party?
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Oh, man. What'd you get? What's your custom build? Yeah, what do we got? Can we guess? Can we guess? You won't be able to. What? He has such little faith in our ability to predict David Sampson's whims, Dominique.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Yeah, my guy.
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Castle.
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And then I went blank. The world is waiting for this, obviously.
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I just like the idea of just like it's you and a bunch of people throwing some stuff.
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So you're being tested.
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Wait, just to explain this, though. So Tom Brady would tank a throw to test you whether you're paying attention. Yes.
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What's the biggest difference between a baseball player and a football player? When it came to how you learned about their wiring and their methods?
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Someone's not trying to actively murder them at the moment.
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Is that right?
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Why are they afraid of the baseball?
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I want to get to the larger trend that we're seeing in baseball, which is velocity. The average Major League Fastball is 93.7 miles an hour now. I mean, I'm old enough now, Tom, to regard that as nuts. It's crazy. 94 is the resting. That's mediocrity.
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Did you ever think that we'd get to a place where, I'm looking at, again, the statistics here, that five pitchers last season would average 100 miles an hour?
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What does it mean?
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So myelination, I am now realizing when you say myelination, it is not referring to miles and mile per hour. It is M-Y-E-L-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Exactly. The process of forming a protective insulating layer called myelin around nerve fibers in the central and peripheral nervous systems, obviously. Yeah.
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Is velocity at this point, now that it is achievable in ways and to a frequency that is kind of mind-blowing, does it feel like it's overrated?
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The ceiling, though, is 118.
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Yeah.
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Did you ever do steroids, Tom?
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Yeah, I was going to say, let's turn the camera around the other way now. You're at the plate.
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You're moving faster than your brain can actually articulate the thought.
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Just fact-checking Greg Maddox, for instance, a guy you worked with who is famed as the craftiest.
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Right. So the Randy Johnson thing, just as a matter of comparison, right, his whole architectural advantage is that he could release the ball because of his height and his wingspan closer to home plate.
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She's his bodyguard at that moment.
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Exactly. I didn't realize that. The guy there with the long hair and the big 70s goggles on. Shooter's glasses. Shooter's glasses. Did that guy have a sense that he would become the greatest authority, the greatest, most respected thinker and coach on the subject of throwing things in the history of sports?
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They knew what was coming.
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Yeah, various pitchers as well as birds learned that.
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So when it comes to the competitive advantage that arises or diminishes when everybody's throwing faster and faster, and Greg Maddox, for all of his craft, is glacial in comparison, what does this say about the future of the soft tosser? You coached Jamie Moyer.
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So the innings eater is suddenly even more valuable now.
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You turn Tim Tebow into a baseball player.
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Regrets, reflections.
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What did you learn working with him about what it means to do your job?
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Could you turn someone like Lamar Jackson into a pitcher?
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So I'm just gonna assume that you have no clue who the man I'm talking to is, but what I need you to understand is that to be a quarterback or a pitcher at the highest possible level is all about precision physics under public pressure, which is, in other words, a marriage between mechanics and mind.
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So the similar question, right, of could you turn Paul Skeens into a quarterback?
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No. But he throws a football. Of course he does. As part of his training program. This is a speed round now. Do you think Shohei Ohtani should keep pitching?
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No?
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What are you seeing there?
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But the pleasure, did you watch him and- With awe. Self-evidently, unprecedented. Right. But you're saying- for his own long-term interest.
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So by this point, I think it's clear that I could talk to Dr. Tom House and mine his brain for takes on the future of sports for an extraordinarily long time. Tom, the more I think about it, was a pioneer. He was using science and regressions and video analysis to evolve the art of throwing, melding it truly with rigorous psychological study, turning it all into a science
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And all this was decades before the value of that scientific analysis became self-evident and omnipresent in some form all across sports. But the skill Tom has that is even more rare, the skill that so many data nerds still can't hack their way around, is the thing that I consider his real gift. The gift of communication. Thank you.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
And so when the best throwers in the world need help with that marriage, what they do is make a house call.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
because Dr. Tom House is the only psychologist who is also a major leaguer and also the author of 22 books, a man whose clientele spans both football and baseball, from Tom Brady to Greg Maddux to Drew Brees to Nolan Ryan to Andrew Luck to Randy Johnson to Tim Tebow and on and on and on and on. And typically, Tom House is a background character in the lives of these very famous people.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Not unlike that video of Hank Aaron that we showed you. For instance, you may have missed Tom House being name checked by Eli Manning when Eli went viral for imitating the hip thrust routine of Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott on ESPN.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
But when I touched base with Tom recently while I was out in LA, what I found out immediately was that Dr. Tom House is in a different mood these days. At age 77, he is finally ready to fire off some takes.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
And so what I wanted to do today was climb into Tom House's brain. I wanted to find out why all of these elite athletes, including the kids, continue to trust this weird PhD who likes teaching his pitchers to throw footballs, for instance, and whose own fastball, if it can even be called that, could not crack 85 miles an hour at Tom's peak.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Oh, man.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
The superlative, Tom. The superlative that you deserve is the foremost expert on throwing in the world. I do, though, before we get to throwing, want to start with a time you caught something. Okay. And as a way of introducing you, I presume you have a general guess as to which day of your life... It would probably be April 8th, 1974.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
That's like having Michelangelo come by and say, by the way, you're pretty good with this paintbrush.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
What was the moment in your career when you began to think, this isn't working out for me the way that I hoped it would?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Yeah.
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Yankee.
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Walk off.
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There's a quote from Don Zimmer, manager of the Red Sox, your old boss. He said, quote, I think a lot of his problems were mental. He wanted so much to do well for us, it seemed as though the harder he tried, the worse he got.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So you get a PhD in sports psychology after you retire from baseball. Right. Your career as a left-handed pitcher professionally is done. You go to grad school. And that part, you had what kind of reaction from your folks?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
I want to speed run through a very long and colorful and frankly insane career. But you get to the Rangers, you get the position fundamentally of guy who's supposed to help these pitchers learn how to throw. And you do weird shit.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
The throwing the football thing. The idea that here were the Texas Rangers looking like morons throwing a football on the field before games. Yep.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
What flipped? When did that begin to get buy-in from both the team that you worked for and then broadly?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
To look at Nolan Ryan's statistics on baseball reference now is to be reminded what the last five years of his career looked like. And it's to marvel at how the he got better.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
I don't have Nolan Ryan as the guy being like, I would like the PhD. nerd with the glasses to tell me how to do my job.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So the guy who was at home played with those glasses. wears these goggles in this role, but now you're Professor Gadget.
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That's what they called you. Yeah. And so it's the biomechanical stuff. It's the footage you were collecting, the analysis you were doing, the regressions that you were running. This was the 80s and you were doing this.
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I understand that if you're going to trace this, right, Nolan Ryan to Randy Johnson, and you go down the line, and your tentacles extend all throughout Major League Baseball. And I understand how that happened now. When does the football thing, at the highest level, become another part of your business?
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Small windows.
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The back story.
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Get Cortez's throat back on the Zoom and open that up real wide.
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This is going to get... You're a bathroom profiler.
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Oh, my God. You sent people to the lobby? For sure.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
What did he say?
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I've been seeing photos. The last Dans, I've been calling it. Whoever wins, we lose, I think, is what the Alien vs. Predator movie poster used to say. Also applies here, potentially.
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Sure. In a... In any other timeline, the idea that a president tried to make a sports reference and face planted would be otherwise not symptomatic of a larger trend. Agreed. A troubling trend insofar as the background of that video, which, to Chris's point, I did not do a great job of setting up. Play. He surrounded...
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He's surrounded by girls, young women, for what the C-SPAN, Chiron describes as the no men in women's sports executive order. Speaking of telling people to play and to not. It's a ridiculous thing.
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workplace it's a ridiculous thing uh... and i say that because uh... look i'm i'm at all times with what david referred to as the transgender i'm trying to be somebody who you want to hear from even if you think i'm going to be the guy who was in the tank for one side i'm not in the tech for one side i'm just here to remind people that when you say this is a deeply unpopular issue eighty twenty a winner
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for the GOP, 80-20 a winner for the mutated Republican Party, which is true. Just please stop pretending like Democrats had been shoving this down people's throats. The idea that everybody, everybody on the left was so pro-transgender that finally Donald Trump is gonna stand up to the big bully, it's just not what was happening.
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Yes, and the good news is that there have been rules regulating participation in sports on the basis of hormones, testosterone, which is, look, an arguable debate. Sure, we've done episodes about it, but they've existed. There have been regulations the entire time. There are fewer than 10 college athletes...
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who are trans at all, meaning that we're debating issuing executive orders, fearmongering about less than 0.02% of the population while also casting that population as the bully.
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The most effective straw man of all time.
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It's in 80-20, Izzy. 80-20, it's a winner. And I'm not disputing that. It is a winner for the Republican Party. What I'm saying is that this is something that I can't abide by because of a misrepresentation of the reality of it, right? I'm not saying that it's not unpopular. I'm saying that we here who have cared about this issue saying, actually, let's consider this population of people.
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There are photos of the crowds.
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Let's consider that if they were to go through with these regulations, these hormone therapies to decrease their competitive advantage conferred by male puberty, if they were to do all of that, that they deserve a right to play. What I'm saying is that people who have been saying that and believing that, like me, have not been
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platform to the point where everybody is saying, let's celebrate the trans athlete. It's been a relatively lonely journey for those people in particular. And so for those fewer than 10 people who are just trying to participate in sports, them being cast as Goliath, as the bully, as the big bad wolf by the president surrounded by these women as props, it's insane to me. It's just insane to me.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Roy, there are so many legal pathways shooting out of this, Title IX being one of them. And I guess I even hesitate to go to that point because I want to make the argument even more basic. The boogeyman you have created is not an actual concern. And it's just the most overblown political issue of our time.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
All he's been doing while Elon Musk has been doing the actual work of being president has been
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There are consequences to them. I am just saying this is the theater of this is this is first take. This is Stephen A. actually being very qualified for this part. I can sign an executive order now. What about me?
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
There's a reason why he's not going through Congress. One of them is because it takes actual work of governance. Another one is which another reason is which he does not have a huge majority in Congress. He is a very narrow, like the thing that I am frustrated by is just the way in which we have lost any sense of proportion, right? The smallest population of helpless people
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who are contemplating suicide at a rate of one in three are the big bad wolf. That's who you should worry about, those people. Meanwhile, the victory that Trump won, again, it's crowd sizes, right? The whole premise of this is he won so overwhelmingly that this is what the people wanted. He's just doing what they wanted. Look at how much he won by.
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We are misrepresenting basic statistics all of the time. And it's infuriating to be purely just on a counting level. We're really just going to eat all these lies.
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So look, I think there's a the reason why it's been really hard to talk about the trans debate
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in the context that David is trying to get us to is because it is a bit over nuanced thing we're talking about a tiny population of people and therefore if it's just gonna be a tiny population people less than 10 college athletes why are we prioritizing them and losing it 80-20 issue as they say and what I'm here to remind everybody is that the point love
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rights in this country is not that it's a popularity contest it's what is right or wrong and at the same time david i want to acknowledge when it comes to the terror alert scale of how worried we should be about anything because it's a relatively small population what's happening say to us aid is something that yes we should also make room for if we're gonna power rag
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The actual levels of concern, while also noting briefly that USA is also 0.2 percent of the budget. Right.
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But there's a through line here, Roy, right? Here we have in USAID and the trans population of athletes, two groups that are relatively very small.
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But budgetarily... USAID is 0.2%.
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I'm mentioning them in the same sentence because what we're doing here... is forcing nuance into a false binary. It's not either or. What we're saying is USAID, 0.2% of the budget, also massively impactful for every foreign relationship we have, for all of these people who got into it for the right reasons. For everybody with AIDS, everybody with HIV around the world.
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For everybody who's affected by disease globally, it is a massive catastrophe. I am also saying that even though there are less than 0.02% fewer, I think we'll agree to disagree, percent of college athletes who are trans also worth considering.
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It was obvious back in whatever year that was, 2018, 2017, with the bathroom bill in North Carolina. It was sort of a test there. It's like, hey, my base, we can agree men should go to men's rooms and women should go to women's rooms, ladies' rooms, right? And yeah, but then that one shockingly sort of failed for them. So then the new one was, oh, boys should play boys sports.
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Girls should play girls sports. Let's protect our kids. And that one just hit like, you know what? And so it's just been obvious what's been happening.
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But this is why it's in the same breath right now. It's because what Donald Trump and what this administration is doing all of the time is celebrating that they are defeating the bullies. The bullies in this case are trans athletes, And they're the workers trying to get people AIDS medication, who are actually a tiny percentage of the population he's trying. David, it's a numeracy thing.
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I'm walking you to a place of agreement. I'm walking you to a place of agreement, which is... Oh, God.
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A natural segue from D.C. politics to D.C. basketball. Well done.
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I never read those. I just ignore anything like that when they talk about pick swaps.
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28 grand a year. I want to cross the streams here, right? So Elon Musk is sending all of these people, these programmers in to get into the budgetary software. What does the budgetary software of a pro sports team look like? So far, it's Amin. So far, Amin is the budgetary software.
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He doesn't love it. It's just a way to get out of whatever situation he's in. Come take a photo. Okay, now leave. He doesn't have to talk that way.
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But is there a guy who's just yelling at some underlings and the underlings are the people actually keeping track of everything?
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What a massive front office you are. Everybody gets an underling? The underling to overseer ratio at this college is fantastic.
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I'd love to talk about that. Does anybody else get excited when a means like New York accent slightly comes out? It's the best. Like when he says all, and I'm like, that guy's cooler than he's letting on. Because the New York accent, I think, is the coolest of all the accents.
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I think he actually loves being with people. He would rather have 1,000 small talk conversations. than one conversation. He feels the gratification from the fans. No, it's legitimate. At MAS every year, he does this.
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You don't think that's a cool voice? It is good. But when you have a New York accent, you just get away with saying things that other people. Sasha Malia, I think. Michelle definitely thinks. People can't get away with. All right. You say with a New York accent. You're mad corny for that. You say that with a New York accent. You sound cool as hell. I can't do the New York accent.
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You sound cool as hell. Say that the way I just said it, and you sound like an idiot. You're mad corny for that, Pablo.
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It's funny because... I grew up in New York and I don't have that accent. So I, I felt that actually hypothetically and realistically. Right.
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You can't be a hip-hop artist with a Southern accent, but with a New York accent. Oh, come on.
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There is a study recently that I wanted to cite here. About accents? Yeah, it was about British accents and how we consider, of course, all of them, any British accent to be of a certain, you know, stature, right?
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I would say that to the untrained American ear any British accent no way is a sophistication I Would tell you right now to the untrained American they've never heard of a Geordie What is a Geordie? What was that?
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That's a good one. You need to put that one in the Rolodex.
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I'm looking at the differences, the socioeconomic connotations of different British accents. And Amin is right. This is a thing. This is a thing.
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Yeah, look, there was a study that tested how these things sound. Right. And I'm going to get to it in a certain way. Okay.
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Take your time.
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I just know that... I like how the one thing we need reporting on is our own companies. Which we don't have clips on for some reason.
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David was mad that we hadn't said the word Super Bowl.
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I'm just going to read the chyron on first take. What will the Super Bowl come down to?
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What I would like to tell the NFL in this moment is you got to earn it.
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I'm just saying, I'm happy to not talk about the heat, trust me, but the NFL, so far Dan looking like a couch is the number one story coming out of New Orleans.
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Look at that picture. It's like that Always Sunny where, you know, Danny DeVito's climbing out.
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Or money. Well. Always. I have a couple questions. What decade do you have to be from to know what the Snoopy dance is? Also, Pablo, why do you think that people think you're a food delivery person?
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That's not true.
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So he's growing an Eric Estrada.
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More of a Joe Pesci guy than Daniel Stern.
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I'm just glad we got Roy in here. Roy got lured out with... Hot ice.
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Got a couple presidents in here, too, if you need them.
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What does old Donald Trump believe about Stephen A.? Who does a good Trump here?
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Not terrible is a real binary equation you're giving approval to.
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There's a lot of Trumps.
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It's a McLaughlin and Associates poll. Kamala Harris is still leading the pack, 33%. Pete Buttigieg, 9%. Gavin Newsom, 7%. Stephen A. Smith, 2%.
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Some people, I'm reliably informed, write books to go on the speaker circuit. Of course. Like that's the actual game.
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Does anybody do a George W. or George H. Bush impression?
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Can we talk a bit about the thing that we saw at the White House yesterday?
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I didn't see anything at the White House.
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I want to show you, actually, I want to show you a clip that caught my eye. If we can play, play something that Chris Cody is very cleverly. There it is. Very good. And play.
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I just want to be very clear about this. This is not a political take. Donald Trump does not know ball. Donald Trump does not know sports. He's around sports. He has spent money on sports. He shakes hands with people who play sports.
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That is him looking at Senator Tommy Tuberville and saying, you're the guy who coached Patrick Mahomes famously. We all know that.
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This is why I bring it up. This is what's happening. Again, I'm not trying to do a political argument here. I am just saying this is happening in one million different ways across all sorts of stories that are not actually anything this dude cares about.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
That was the mistake.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But the thing Amin just referenced, perhaps hypothetically, was actually a thing that I am told was happening in Philadelphia. Yeah. that Josh Harris, his kids were being made fun of because the Sixers were that bad.
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But the real people... living real lives thing not on paper, typically that was an argument made on behalf of the players on the team, which was missing, I think, a through line from the two episodes we've done of this show, the two days we've done, which is follow the money.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
The owners are the ones who have these pressure points, whose incentives should be different from the people they employ to run their front office, right? They're gonna be around in 10 years, but the people they pay to run the team statistically are not. And so the question is always, what's your time horizon? How long is this going to take?
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Will the people who you pay to be the stewards of your organization act as if they're the stewards of a future or a present? And the conversation right now about like in the NBA, has it ever been cheaper? Has a first round pick ever felt cheaper? Right. Like just like the market value right now.
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But it's a funny thing, right? Mikael Bridges. Right? Five first rounders. Rudy Gobert. Go down the list. That is an example of people saying, take our future.
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Which teams, which markets allow that? That is a key part of that privilege.
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They're betting on themselves.
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Well, and that's where I mean, again, when I talk about markets, right? Oklahoma City versus Philadelphia. Yep. Like we're talking about, when I say who has the competitive advantage, David, of I'm in a market in which the pressure point is not gonna feel as painful.
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But I think the argument has been the argument from Philadelphia to a means point and to my experience has been owners tend to overestimate their rationality and they underestimate how much it sucks to be made fun of.
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Yeah, the opposite of feeling embarrassed. No owners feel embarrassed, though.
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But David, David, David, there are some exceptions to, I think, your point, which is, in general, these guys are living great lives. The team tends to outlast all of the temporary news cycles. They get to be a steward of the thing that is wired into people's childhoods. But then, of course, I think of, I don't know, what's it like to be John Fisher? What's it like to be, at the time, Dan Snyder?
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What was it like to be Josh Harris when the Sixers were tanking? What's it like to be these deeply unpopular people who get booed? Jim Dolan!
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Pablo brought this up. He's trying to lead the show. No, the point is a good one that Amin and I have been raising. The mistake has been, the mistake, look, the question is why are decisions made and how? It's because people tend to have a market inefficiency when it comes to, ah, you can feel embarrassment.
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Our mistake was asking David Sampson to be a focus group on what it's like to feel embarrassment. Yeah.
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You are the person who feels the less. That's a good stew laugh. That's a pretty good stew laugh. Or funny Marco. Nobody feels less embarrassment than David Sampson is my point. I do not feel embarrassed.
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Overpaying though is, I'm with Izzy. I do not think this is an overpay. I think this is an example of one team needing one thing, another team needing a different thing.
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Did you Google World Series Trophy Polishing Company? How did you figure out?
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My only surprise is that David Sampson did not demand to be in the room so he could watch his trophy getting polished. What?
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That's a horrifying. In a towel? Dear God. Definitely not in a towel. Wearing only an apron.
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Wait, I just want to process this.
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Sometimes when I go to a friend's apartment building and I'm carrying food that I brought over, I am asked what restaurant I'm delivering from.
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There's a penalty for this?
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Yeah, major asshole.
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You've got the little device there. You're in charge. All you have to do is hit the button. You don't have to ask permission. White woman, white guy. It's not a white guy thing. Why is it a white guy thing? Sports ownership mostly. CNN. Oh, wait. Other menu. Oh, my God. There's another menu.
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And why should Charlotte feel good?
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Yes, yes, yes. This is, by the way, to bring it all the way back around to our frustration as to why Kevin Durant didn't get traded. Right. The Phoenix Suns have been the number one example in sports history of saying all we care about right now is the present. Everything else. We will take a payday loan from Danny Ainge. Take three first rounders, whatever it is. Right. Give us that.
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We'll give you everything. such that 2031, basically we're behaving at the Phoenix Suns organization as if the apocalypse will come in 2030. We'll all be wiped off the planet. It's the global warming theory, just it's happening in five years.
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They're denying reality.
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The Suns are catastrophically run. Their owner, we've done this, of course, on Populatory Finds Out. We did an episode about Matt Ishbia, about how he runs his organization. It is uncoincidental that he runs his organization like someone who is familiar with mortgages. He is the mortgage king of America.
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I mean, look, the details are in the piece. It was lawyered, and for reasons that are, I think, going to be obvious to you. But in terms of timelines... He has run that team like he is going to disappear in 2030. And this raises many questions. But one of the questions I have is, is it the case now, motivated by Jeremy's observation, Amin, that Kevin Durant actually was too good a soldier?
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He needed to be a worse soldier. The bad soldier theory of getting what you want. He needed more Jimmy Butler in him.
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I don't want to get into the weeds of explaining what that is because it's just I guess the summary is it's an even more punitive tax on top of the tax teams used to pay. But what we're saying is that this rule has changed the economy of basketball transactions.
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Please, please explain.
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So what you're saying is that maybe. OK. All right.
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He was pitching something, I bet. There was... At Radio Row? I came in with the stated goal of having more fun than everybody in New Orleans. We're a split squad this week. And I don't know if we can have more fun than Stu Gatz was having fake laughing. That's Sean Stilato, agent for Tommy DeVito.
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I know, of course. Look, Cortez, is he here yet? Speaking of attention-seeking gas bags whose throats I want to hear noises from Cortez. Go on. Yeah, that was not a great intro. There you are.
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Where's your PJ Tucker jersey?
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He's doing stuff. What I can't get over is that when Cortez is, what you're doing is moving around revealing that you're not in Japan.
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I do love those glasses. The glasses are an incredibly effective upgrade.
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It started with Hero, though. I'm sorry, Cortez. I spent most of this week reading your posts, and they were all about how, you know, Pat Riley doesn't have it. Jimmy Butler, you were on his side. This is, come on, man.
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I cannot believe you produced my show.
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All I'm seeing is Ryan Cortez tweets from 2022 where he asks, at KDTray5, have you ever had a guava pastelito?
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This is ridiculous.
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Cortez put on these circular glasses and he woke up trying to be level headed. And I just am not. Look, I am. The one thing I am not today is fooled by Ryan Cortez.
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Can we get him out of here? I don't want this anymore.
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Nobody, can we get someone in Miami who will just admit to feeling the deep fear of irrelevance? The deep fear that we are not going to care about talking about this even a fraction as much anymore.
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We're going to be talking about, you guys got to manufacture gin up PJ Tucker and Andrew Wiggins takes.
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No one cares. The Lakers have pulled off a deal. By the way, okay, I have another question for everybody. Raise your hand if you knew who Mark Williams was before he was traded to the Lakers.
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Which is kind of what Anthony Davis was saying. Hey, can we get someone to play center so I don't have to?
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It does depend on the question of how in shape is he going to be going forward.
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Just being accountable.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Just real quick, back to the boners. Right after this ad.
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I'm getting a vibe that I did not ask for actually here.
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We all knew the gerbil story.
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Well, the gerbil had gotten into Richard Gere, I think.
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And so the NFL and rather the networks that have the rights to the most important piece of cultural real estate that we have now, they decide to change gears.
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What I found out is that you guys are already better friends with each other than you are with me, which is a hard thing to learn three seconds into a program. Yeah.
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And this now, this Michael Jackson halftime show is the thing that all of us know.
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Literally, American culture was never the same because In Living Color threatened those dancing children in the Metrodome.
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The war was over. Yes. Right. Nuclear deterrence had prevailed.
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In no way will this age poorly to be laughed at later by podcasters revisiting the history of this program.
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Luckily, though, this year, there is thankfully zero subtext when it comes to such a topic with the current performer we're about to watch together.
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Yeah. Sarah, it's good to see you.
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The last time you were on the show, you were super horny for mascots, and I presume that's still the case.
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I did want to talk about... The curious case of tech mogul, Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson is a guy who may have come to your attention recently because he posted a tweet about his boner as it compares to his son's boner. And in case you are wondering, why am I using these words? This feels gross. Here's the tweet. Quote, nighttime erection data from my 19-year-old son at Talmadge Johnson and me.
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His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Raise children to stand tall, be firm, and be upright. Followed by all of these biometric boner charts. So, you know. This is the guy, in case you weren't familiar, also in the documentary, Don't Die. He's the guy. You guys, I mean, hold on. Before I go any further.
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You guys had heard of Brian Johnson before I said we got to learn about the boner data? Yeah.
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You know that lady's name.
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This is what Brian Johnson looks like in the photo Sarah was alluding to as he was engaged in Project Babyface. So Brian Johnson, Sarah, is the guy who is basically on a mission to reverse aging. And he has done this in a way that has been startling and has a sports context. LeBron James famously has been spending $1 million a year on his body.
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But Brian Johnson, in comparison, spends about $2 million a year on his body. And so that's according to reporting from Ashley Vance, formerly of Bloomberg, who chronicled this, was involved with the documentary. He's now running a great publication called Core Memory, in which he talked about interviewing Brian Johnson.
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This is a very rich tech guy who's like, I'm going to be the face and the leader of a movement in which I'm going to basically discover where people have been too afraid to go when it comes to living forever. And in case you were wondering, wanted to find out, how does one measure such boner data? You do it this way.
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Turgid. Turgid.
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When else is turgid used if not for erection description?
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Exactly. Flaccid and turgid are the yin and yang of boner adjectives. Yeah.
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A real goofus and gallon situation. Turgeon and Flaccid. The highlights magazine of sexual health. What Brian Johnson is trying to say, though, about his erection and his son's erection is that they are... They're nighttime erections. Just clarifying. They're nighttime erections. Nocturnal. His nocturnal... Separate, not put together.
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Well, separate and unequal, it turns out, is what he's making the case. His son, Brian Johnson is trying to assert that his nighttime nocturnal turgidity is to be reckoned with. And Sarah, I just want to explain who Brian Johnson is because he is the star of this doc called Don't Die on Netflix.
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I want to just give a clip from the trailer just to give a sense for people to catch up real quick on what kind of an archetype we're dealing with. You don't, though. So it stops on a clip of them in a photo shoot. It's Brian, his dad, and Brian's son, who is the aforementioned... Talmadge. Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge.
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They basically made a sort of just... Yeah, they gave plasma to each other, youngest to next oldest, in a way that feels... Like exactly what we were joking that Peter Thiel was doing with his blood boy in Silicon Valley. Brian Johnson is saying this is part of his very detailed and now public plan for how you can live forever. Right, yeah. Vampire your children.
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Yeah, it's however many monkeys in a room eventually typing out boner data, I believe is how that old saying goes. Brian Johnson, by the way, it's just interesting how, like I mentioned Peter Thiel, who was, again, from the PayPal mafia famously with Elon and David Sachs and all these gargoyles that we know now.
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But Brian Johnson, he had built an online payment processing company himself called Braintree, which bought Venmo. And then he sold Braintree, it turns out, to PayPal in 2013 for $800 million, which is to say that somehow like online payment processing is a real through line in the dystopian future we have entered.
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I mean, what he's saying is that one of the indicators of the way in which he has slowed the rate of aging is nighttime erections. And so Brian Johnson, at age 47, is on par with his 19-year-old.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He did quote tweet the tweet from his dad saying, quote, I'm grateful for the way my dad has raised me, period.
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He's in the turgid place.
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Right. I do feel like for all the sincerity and for all the pills and for all of the, you know, 4.30 a.m. wake-ups he has, like, it must suck when someone's like, it kind of looked like you're in your mid-40s. Right. You guys are familiar with ESPN announcer Mark Jones, right?
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Well, I just want to know what program Mark Jones is on. Mark Jones is 63 years old.
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Mark Jones looks younger than Brian Johnson, and it's not close.
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Wyatt, what did you bring us today on this edition of Share and Tell?
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I actually just want to jump in to say that it's amazing that the NWSL, the National Women's Soccer League, did the thing that every Think PC analyst in sports has been musing about, which is abolish the draft. No league in America has done that of this stature. And so the experiment, which I have been, I'm one of those people in that choir, by the way, of just like,
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Look, there are two levels, Wyatt. One is the level of fairness, obviously. It's insane always that in this industry, in sports, you have zero control despite having all of this value over what you are and where you are going to actually use your talents to... mis-paraphrase LeBron James.
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But then the second level is like, well, doesn't that also, as much as I love the draft, raise new opportunities for like what to do in replacement of it? The television show of the draft, you abolish that too. And that's always, John Skipper says it all the time. Like the reason he would never want to do it is because the TV show.
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But now you're actually forced to be creative about the entertainment of a world that is more fair. And now, again, far more open in terms of like how you're going to go around both making decisions and then portraying them to your audience.
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It's an amazing thing, right? Like the argument for the draft is inescapably socialist. And we have all of these capitalists who are saying we must have this because that is parody, right? Like otherwise, small markets will lose out to big markets.
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The most marquee teams will always get the best players because why would they want to go to fill in the blank, you know, Cincinnati slash whatever, like just also ran market.
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And again, I am somebody who... Like, my whole thing on tanking, right, is that the problem with tanking is that it works. It makes sense to do it because you're following incentives. Like, it's an amazing thing to have the number one overall pick because you suck. Right. But in a world in which there is no draft... How have these decisions been made?
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Like, what's happening, I guess, is my question. Now, the experiment for the first time is finally being run in America.
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Oh, right.
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Make it so that instead of the employer saying, having all of these suitors, you flip, turn the tables. Right.
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Yes.
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At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, we talk about what we found out today on a show about finding out stuff. And I found out just now that Sarah Spain has been holding a banana as not a prop, but actual food and has been restraining herself from using it as a metaphor made real, which I must applaud.
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At this rate, I don't think I want anybody to ever see the data that is inside of me. I don't think that's going to go well.
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The beginning of this topic.
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Right.
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So I didn't know anything about this. Neither did I. And I've thought a lot about the Halftime Show as a cultural institution before. I didn't know about this until you brought it to us and we actually looked into it.
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I mean, it actually does like demand a further explanation because it does not make sense the sentence that you have said.
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All right, we don't need to do just a straight-up impersonation parody of me.
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Why, Wyatt, did you even discover that In Living Color was involved at all in this?
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And so... Well, to remind people, right? This is, I mean, I don't want to lead with Jim Carrey, but Jim Carrey was on In Living Color. Sure. You had Damon Wayans, you had Jim Carrey, you had David Alan Grier. Jennifer Lopez was a fly girl.
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Yes.
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It's the least thinkable thing now to go head-to-head against the Super Bowl halftime show. But at this point in 1992, Fox sees this opportunity when CBS has a Super Bowl and they say, let's create a distraction that's going to steal audience and bring it over to us just for the period of halftime.
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It's very nice to meet you. I'm not a good host. I'm not introducing people.
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I love why they have a clock in the bottom left corner. They're very clear about what they're trying to do. It's like they're playing a prank on CBS specifically.
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I just like the idea of, on one channel is the In Living Color Super Bowl halftime party, And then in the Metrodome in Minneapolis is what is being hailed as this.
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Who says feel the cold? It's winter magic, Wyatt. You know.
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I mean, were you a big enough fan to continue watching this? No. Nope. Like the visuals on this, their umbrellas with snowflakes painted on.
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It's February. It's a Super Bowl. They're like doing, it's kind of mind-blowing. It's like, again, Brian Boitano, Dorothy Hamill, the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team. Right, yeah. Shows up at one point.
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They do the dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy at one point. And meanwhile, over on Fox, this is happening.
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PTFO: Share & Halftime & Tell with Wyatt Cenac and Sarah Spain
Holding a giant plastic, like, cheeseball jug just full of steroids. Right. They were, like, poking fingers in all of the eyes available to them.
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PTFO: Share & Halftime & Tell with Wyatt Cenac and Sarah Spain
I was going to say.
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PTFO: Share & Halftime & Tell with Wyatt Cenac and Sarah Spain
I was going to say, I'm also, and I'm here too on the show. Yeah, you're fine on it.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
Pablo, is this your way of saying thanks for winning two first place awards at the Sports Podcast Awards? Is this why I'm being called in? Hi. Hi. I don't know why anyone's mad at me, frankly. So what's going on?
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
it's you've got a lot of producers and they uh they they spend their days uh making emmy nominations filling out forms so this is actually a helpful moment i guess to clarify um the award i won um first of all samson's i guess mad that the jpeg on the award for sporty class was my show logo um sorry that the jpeg is not david sampson's face i guess um i will apologize for that i'm not
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
I apologize for the producers on my show. The award that I won was best sports documentary podcast. I don't know if you guys know what a documentary is, but it's not you call someone after they call, you know, to expect congratulations after dropping off their daughter at school to yell at them. It's an award that you get for having high degree of difficulty episodes you produce every week.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
So, cool, cool, cool party I just walked into.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
I did. I did. A big part of this, I think, is that David Sampson, who is very good on the sporting class, an episode that I host, not coincidentally, is he has no idea how the Internet works. So David was mad at me yesterday for like tagging John Skipper, but the wrong John Skipper on Instagram.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
He sent me a screenshot of John's Twitter account to point out that I clearly tagged the wrong one, not knowing that Twitter and Instagram or X and Instagram are two separate platforms. So when David says you have all these producers, I think he literally means sometimes you have someone else who understands what the internet is. And in this case, that person was me. Don't tell me what I mean.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
So I'm walking the streets of New York and I can maybe find some like actual metaphorical comparison points. Like right here is a very fancy restaurant. It's like best in class, like incredible elevated French food. And over there somewhere is like a hot dog stand. And I feel like the hot dog stand is yelling at the French restaurant for having too many employees.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
I love hot dogs. It's just not best documentary at the Sports Podcast Awards. That's fine.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
It's just just a black coffee. I'm sorry. You're actually a hardworking person. Yeah. Yeah.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
This is the second place baseball. Come on.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
He just congratulated me. So I just wanted to tell him, you know, thank you.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
You were saying, Sam?
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
Honestly, guys, I'm walking around here like Belle in Beauty of the Beast. People are popping out of their windows to say hello. A guy with a baguette just rolled by. All right. incredible.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
There it is. Thank you. Yes, there it is. That feels like another metaphor.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Not even the Basketball Hall of Fame has the tape of Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game, by the way, as their historian explained to us. They've never even had an official exhibit devoted to Wilt. But this show now has two independently sourced recordings of the pivotal fourth quarter, plus a third, entirely different box of tapes that I need to tell you about.
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Because this is a box of tapes that contains Gary's interviews, which we're going to curate for you as part of this exhibit here today.
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We can relate. We can relate here. You know, Gary, one of our joys was that we actually did unearth your 22-year-old interview tapes because at Emory University, at the Rare Book Library manuscript collection number 890, we found your archive. And just tell me how you feel as we go back to March 1962.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is Bill Campbell that you're hearing. This is the play-by-play announcer in Philly, WCAU, the radio broadcast. But it's one of your interviewees, a primary source here, who is in the game somewhere on the court, Joe Rucklick, that I wanted to ask you about because Joe Rucklick sounds like he might be a guest on the McAfee show at times, revisiting some of these tapes.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Hearing you in 03 talk to Joe Rucklick is a time machine inside of a time machine.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Why do you think it's fake? Well, his allegation seems to be even a little more pointed than that. It was that Bill Campbell wasn't even there, actually. He wasn't really the announcer.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
As for just how Bush League Game 75 really was, I should acknowledge that Joe Rucklick, dead wrong about the tape of the fourth quarter being this false flag operation. Also, relatedly, it's funny that none of the online conspiracists that we mentioned before did enough research to be able to cite Joe Rucklick's theory in the first place.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But it is pretty easy to imagine why the whole event did feel a bit confused.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But Wilt Chamberlain, as he later explained in an interview with Bob Costas, was keeping score.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Are we sure?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Kind of hungover. And so yes, Wilt would go on to average 50 points a game that season, but the man primarily tasked with stopping the single most unstoppable offensive performance in basketball history, arguably all of sports history, was not supposed to be starting that night. And instead, what he became was the answer to a trivia question. Forever. Forever.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Granny style.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What did Daryl say to you particularly, Gary, if you recall, in your interview with him about the refs?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Do you remember the first time you heard somebody casting aspersions on the subject that you have literally written the book about?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I need to observe that everybody who's been trying to undermine Wilt's record by asking if it really happened has been asking the wrong question. Because what Daryl Imhoff is arguing here as one of the principles is not that the 100-point game never took place.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What Daryl is arguing is that compared to other great performances, Wilt's 100 was abnormal and ultimately illegitimate to the point of being, quote, a farce.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
There's a moment, you know, just in terms of recreating when people began to realize we're witnessing something that we'll be talking about forever. There's the moment where Bill Campbell, the play-by-play guy on the radio broadcast, says...
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
This brings us, as we get deeper into the fourth quarter, Gary, to the 98-point mark. So the psychology of the 98-point moment here. Who gets the ball to Will? How does this play unfold here?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
What was the call? What was the sequence of events to get to the number?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And yeah, I understand why. I mean, it's worth remembering here that the most enduring image of that night, the thing that everybody remembers still today, was the Big Dipper holding a piece of paper with the number of points he scored written on it. But the person responsible for that meme, it turns out, was not Wilt Chamberlain. It was the same Warriors statistician that Gary mentioned earlier.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
A man named Harvey Pollack.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Well, that's it, right? The discrepancy between what the radio announcer was saying versus the official score. There's all this confusion. You hear it on the tape a couple of times. But what the octopus...
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He makes sure to establish that there is no ambiguity around how many points Will Chamberlain scored because he does the thing that results in the one piece of evidence that I think every basketball fan has seen.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I should point out what might now feel obvious, which is that every person that Gary Pomerantz has mentioned to this point, every voice you've heard on this episode has passed away. This will forever be a story about hidden boxes and lost recordings and secondary sources and truly tricky ambiguities.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
which is something that Wilt Chamberlain himself, who died in 1999, eventually learned to accept.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But in our research near the end here, we were able to find one last primary source for the online exhibit we've been building. A person who at 86 years young still has a unique and even poetic perspective on what really happened in Hershey, Pennsylvania on March 2nd, 1962. Tom, give me the pronunciation of your name. I just want to make sure I'm getting it right.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Meshary. Okay, good, good, good, good. Didn't know where the accent or the stress was going to be, but Meshary makes total sense.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Masheria Moore. Yes, a different nickname for a bruiser power forward.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And Tom Asheri really was good at basketball. The Warriors, who eventually relocated from Philly to the Bay Area, retired his number. And Tom was in the starting lineup playing 40 minutes right alongside his teammate, Will Chamberlain, in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on the day in question.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And while Tom would go on to spend 24 years as a high school English teacher and also write five books of poetry and six novels and two memoirs... On my mother's side, I'm related to the local story. He still thinks about Hershey. All the time. In part because it was his very first season. in the NBA.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I'm getting the sense that as much as you were a guy who was not there to shoot that night, you enjoyed spectating yourself.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Yeah, look, the question of why people question it.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Well, one of the things I wanted to fact check with you was a theory of a different kind, because one of the people that was interviewed by Gary Pomerantz in his book is a gentleman by the name of Daryl Imhoff. You remember Daryl in some?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Why? Why did you do that, Tom?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I'm getting the sense that the Mad Manchurian may have also earned that nickname because you also tried to hit Daryl with a chair.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So the anniversary of one of the most iconic performances in the history of sports is approaching on Sunday. But what most distinguishes Wilt Chamberlain's single game scoring record is that right now, for each of his points on March 2nd, 1962, there appears to be just as many questions. 60 plus years later,
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But I bring up Daryl Imhoff now not simply because you have this personal backstory with him, but because I need you to help fact-check something that he told Gary Pomerantz that we discovered in the course of fact-checking the story of that night. Because the allegation that Daryl makes, of course, is not that the 100 points did not happen. He was there.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He, in fact, personally was responsible for quite a number of those points, trying to guard Wilt. The allegation that Daryl Imhoff made on tape was this, quote, The 100-point game was a farce.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He accused you guys of pouring it on.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
So this is where I do need to jump in here and let cooler heads prevail for a second for the sake of posterity, if nothing else. Because, yes, I have apparently go to the bad Manchurian at age 86 back into bloodlust. But also because the thing that courses inside of Tom, the thing in his blood, as mentioned before. Is really poetry.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And so you may not be surprised to find out at this point that the Big Dipper was not just a teammate and a friend to Tom, but also a muse.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Would you mind reading some of the poem that you just wrote last night for me?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I was wondering when the Mad Manchurian might read from his latest work.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Tom, the mad Manchurian, the poet laureate of the NBA, you contain multitudes and you observed multitudes. And I very, very sincerely thank you for joining us.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And on and on it goes across Reddit and TikTok and YouTube to the point where we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out got a voicemail about this topic at our detective agency hotline, 513-85-Pablo. Hey, Pablo.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Now, those callers sounded reasonable enough to us that we finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of what seems to be a global mystery. And the first person we called was Stanford professor Gary Pomerantz, the aforementioned author of the book Wilt 1962. And Gary immediately established something.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He established that one tricky thing about fact checking Wilt Chamberlain is that Wilt Chamberlain's whole brand was to be larger than life.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
I had to do a lot of just reacquainting myself with history as well for this. Wilt was singing his own tune, literally, on American Bandstand, right? By the river, down by the river.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
That's the number that people are most, you know, had been most obsessed with, that statistic, 20,000.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
When you heard from us, Gary Pomerantz, that we wanted to do this topic because of what people had been saying on the Internet, were you excited?
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
You should know that Hershey, Pennsylvania, population in 1962, about 7,000, sits in the shadow of Amish country. That's where the chocolate capital of America is located, which doesn't entirely explain why there is no full recording of the Philadelphia Warriors game against the visiting New York Knicks on March 2nd, 1962. But electricity in general was scarce. The game wasn't televised.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
The NBA, as Gary said, was basically a lounge act. But the sport was big enough for an AM radio station, WCAU Philadelphia. Except it soon became clear, particularly to legendary play-by-play man Bill Campbell, who was frantically calling technicians back at the station in Philly, that nobody involved with this broadcast had actually kept a tape of the game. which then created a puzzle of its own.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
But very recently, about 60-plus years later, something kind of crazy Because we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out found a Philly basketball fan by the name of Sammy Marcus. And Sammy Marcus had never given an interview about this before. But in 1962, Sammy used to listen to every Warriors radio broadcast. On March 2nd, however, that Friday, he decided to do something different.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
He went to go see the Elizabeth Taylor film Butterfield 8. And then...
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And so Sammy ran over to his friend's house with his own recorder and microphone, and he bootlegged that puzzle piece right off the speakers. And it's a tape he still has today.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
all of which is how the NBA got a copy of a grainy secondhand recording of history, or at least a fraction of that history. But as for the rest of Wilt's pivotal fourth quarter, including the Knicks' possessions, the way we wound up finding that involved a different box entirely.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And this puzzle piece, it turns out, was the full fourth quarter. But it wasn't taped in Hershey. At all, actually. It was taped at UMass Amherst by an aspiring student broadcaster named Jim, who listened by rigging his transistor radio to the five-story heating pipe in his dormitory.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
And that night, in that dorm, Jim broke out a reel-to-reel tape recorder, apparently, the one his girlfriend had been using for elocution lessons, And many years later, those reels would finally find their way back home.
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Share & Party & Tell with Mina Kimes, Katie Nolan and Patricia Mahomes
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Oh my God.
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I was at a wedding recently with Mina, and she got hammered.
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It's entirely relevant. It's the one topic where it is relevant.
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Weddings are the ultimate party.
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They're their own thing.
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Because I was talking to her.
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You're just talking like this.
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They can't stop my homies. No, that's not how I sound. They're trying to go too deep. They're trying to do too deep.
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There was a lot of slurred positive reinforcement now that I think about it.
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Mina, what did you bring us clear-headedly to discuss today?
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When he was the 45th president.
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And then 47.
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I mean, not wrong, not wrong. Also incoherent.
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Yeah, like Violet loves grilled cheese. Like that's a 99% success rate. But also sometimes she just won't want to eat it.
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Katie. Yeah, I'm... You use this. I know. You among us are clearly the most power user.
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Do you agree that TikTok and its popularity is rooted in this? branding that it's the one social media app where you actually tend to feel good. Like that seems to be, it's joyous, it's fun.
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Right. So like part of my understanding was that TikTok in America was very different from TikTok in China and that we got the version that is far more brain rotting than the one in China. And that to your point about like, is it corrupting its users health in some way? I can see the argument there. That made sense.
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When it comes to like privacy, though, which is another big plank in this sort of argument, it just feels like nobody cares. Yeah. Like, as much as it is on paper a really important priority, nobody cares.
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Including the TikTok CEO.
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But Mina, the whole thing about like kids, it's also adults who just, I think are like, we are so far gone. Yeah. Like we're not losing sleep over this. And so who's actually fighting for the banning of this thing other than people who are worried about, you know, the Chinese government from a governmental political perspective?
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Right after this ad.
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Katie, like the whole thing about we're going to lose all of this stuff. What would you have missed the most as you were contemplating TikTok being at least temporarily banned?
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So did it feel like that though? Is that part of TikTok's whole thing? Is that unlike Instagram where it's like tied to your, to some real account? Like TikTok was sort of a more open field of...
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Well, it's the opposite of, like, the typical child psychology thing of, like, they like playing with the cardboard box more than they like what's in it. Like, Nino has fancy tastes. Nino is ordering, like, from the bottom of the menu up. He's looking at the prices.
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Yeah, kind of. But that question being of, like, what can you not do?
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get elsewhere like what is this doing that the other places that we're all subscribed to in ways that make us think we're all so far gone on privacy that why do we even care anymore we have so many of these apps like that part like is there a unique argument for what tiktok was able to cultivate i think katie just made it right which is like the idea of like regular people surfing a wave and that discovery you would get from seeing someone who either was just very funny you
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Yeah, I think that it's hard to say that this is uniquely harmful, even if it is maybe uniquely compromised by the government that had sort of co-signed it and exported it to us. But I guess the question is, would you rather have newspapers or this? Newspapers. This is where I would insert that song that you said you were going to find. You can insert it in post.
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So our producers, using sophisticated artificial intelligence adjacent technology, did a bit of scouting. They found some faces from around the NFL playoffs and the outer regions they're in. And we're going to see what it's like when some people look like, I don't know. What is this? What's the way I want to say this? What's the way I want to say this?
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Show the first photo.
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Yeah. We're hot or nodding. The coaches as women. The female versions of a variety of men involved in the NFL. Because I looked for that list that Mina had referenced. No one had done it. And so we were the change we wanted to see in the world.
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Yeah. Andrea Reid.
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Does she look friendly to you?
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I think that she has lots of things that she has recipes for that have numbers in the title. Like a six cheese macaroni.
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Did you not know this? What do we got next?
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Here we go.
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Speaking of precocious.
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Also named CJ. CJ works, I think.
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Catherine Jane Stroud. I'm getting high school musical. I'm getting a sunniness in her eyes. I think this person likes to dance in a group setting. I think she's cool.
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Was the hair changed? Was the hair changed at all? Barely.
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Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know this person, right?
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He did host a reality show.
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That seemed less likable than he is now.
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Field hockey.
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Yeah, part down the middle.
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Look at her. Mina's encountered Samantha before.
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honestly any Instagram post that's in like the second person that's a thing it's a thing right you'll do it yeah it's like you're a civil war general writing to I just I may be full disclosure I may be related to some people who do this and I can't I definitely have people in my life I'm nervous about putting this out there into the universe yeah everyone's like compiling like a beautifully like intentionally crafted and tattered scrapbook um
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What's next, guys? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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Hard to look at.
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This is Senator Elizabeth Warren. She just snuck her into this.
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You're so close.
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Shares a first name with someone in your life.
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It's Dan Quinn.
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That's Dan Quinn.
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That's like a... Yo, Dan Quinn is a MILF. Can I just say that? Yeah. I'm into Dan Quinn. You can.
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Patricia Mahomes is a little too eager.
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I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting eager. Thirst.
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So the reason this is remarkable.
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Like, the thing about that theory is that we didn't superimpose your brother's face onto your body. That's actually what the technology gave us.
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For various reasons, this looks... identical to Isaac Kams.
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Mina said it. And that's the best part.
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Yep.
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We're getting some top notes of Garoppolo.
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How did it make her jacked? Some Ricky Martin.
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Katie... This is weird. Sebastian Stan also, people are saying, many are saying. But you're a Chad. She is a Chad. A Giga Chad? A Tetra Giga Chad. A Tetra Chad? How does this compare to your brother, Kevin?
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Do we have another angle on this that we can examine?
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That's Jimmy G. That is Jimmy... This guy, Keith Nolan, loves and deserves the finest adult film star to join him at dinner.
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Myrtle looks completely nonplussed.
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Happy birthday, Myrtle.
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I'm not just saying this, but, like, if you were to split screen this with Melissa McCarthy, it would be pretty... I think there'd be similarities.
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Pretty much the same.
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Oh, hello.
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I look... Again, Katie is a predator. We're learning. But... objectively speaking, you know, you want to protect this. You want to protect this vulnerable creature. Bright eyes, whole life ahead of her.
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I think we should probably stop doing this now.
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This was a successful podcast.
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Great.
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What I found out.
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What I found out at the end of today's episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, is that I will never take lightly Katie Nolan's vulnerability when showing us a TikTok. You guys are out of your minds!
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Sorry, I prefer to save journalism instead of whatever the f*** that was.
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Yeah. This is, this is, this is unfortunately a recurring and genuine phenomenon.
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Why?
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Why is there a dancing small white child in front of Kendrick Lamar? I feel like.
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Okay. Very good.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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Like, you're not like... Yes, dear Violet.
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Dear Violet, you never wipe your hands after you eat. And you like drying those same hands on our leather sofa, which your father admits was a terrible investment in retrospect, given your personal disrespect for it.
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I was going to say, you do look like a boombox holding panda. Is that what Parappa was?
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Parappa was a dog, I'm informed.
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Yeah, it had like a winter beanie.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Miss Rachel? I'm not familiar with Miss Rachel.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Miss Rachel. This is the cinematic, the Sesame Street cinematic universe.
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Hold on, hold on. Show her the guy.
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Okay, so whenever Mina says this guy looks like you, I start off offended and then begrudgingly admit that she's right.
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So I'm going to Google Miss Rachel, Filipino guy. It's going to come up immediately.
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If I grew like a… I mean hot, Pablo. We got to stop doing that.
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We got to stop inventing hotter me's. We got to stop labeling… I'll tell people to stop making them. The Gary Streisky's of the world. The only person I've banned from this program for being… Pablo.
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I regret this episode already.
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I have missed this. Yeah. We haven't done this since the pandemic. The three of us? I think so. I mean, certainly on this show. I think we've certainly, like, seen each other in life.
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In which, again, we talk about our kids, and then you show up late, and we pivot to what we're doing.
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Should we start with a very visual game, or do you want to get into some of the stories that I think we're all legitimately into? It's your show, babe. What should we do?
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Oh, that's right. Hello, Katie Nolan, host of Casuals, a new podcast for all of us to like and subscribe.
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I've not been invited. I've merely just been waiting.
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I'm unbooked and unbusy.
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Well, that's now very sad. Katie, what did you bring us?
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Which is a massive story. Oh, no, it's a massive story. It's a massive story. In fact, can I just explain how massive this story is? Because I was looking for the news coverage of Party City's demise, and we did find this. It appears the party is over for Party City. The party is over for one business that specializes in just that, parties.
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The largest supplier of Mylar balloons, disposable plates, other things that we need.
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Done.
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After 40 years.
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How dare both of you?
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I don't know where you get balloons anymore.
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I mean, look, there are a lot of articles now where it's like, did you know that only 1.7% of Americans have smiled this year? And it's like, f***, people stop smiling. But this is an article that resonates because the whole notion of people throwing parties for each other has like objectively declined. It's happening less and less. And we are, Mina, you are headed to...
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the party capital of the sports world very soon.
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We should do what we always do when we're waiting for Katie to show up. We should do what we always do when she's running late, which is let's talk about our kids. Let's get that out of the way.
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You got to invite all the kids.
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My philosophy on the children's birthday party, first of all, either you got to make it under an hour or like an hour or less, or it needs to be equipped for parents to just hang out and talk. And I am so appreciative for these like, what do you call them? Like these like bouncy floored, like, oh, you can have the kids just like run around like tornadoes and shit. And then we're done. Yeah.
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And then we're done. But the thing about like the party as an institution is that it seems like even the young people are wondering. There was, again, the anecdotal evidence here six months ago on Reddit. Someone asked one of the, quote, saddest questions anyone ever seen on the social platform, which was, quote, did anybody else think there would be more parties?
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How's Nino doing? What are his measurables?
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And the way we grew up and the movies we see. Yeah, I feel like that's that's it feels like that is. not happening in the way that the TV shows had promised us.
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So, okay, so the house party, I should say, because I grew up in New York. You've never really had. Not a f***ing thing.
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Like, not a real thing. So much about New York apartments that they're too small to have people over.
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And so my view of, like, the house party really was just, like, when I got to college, I got a sense of, like, oh, this is what that's like. But I never actually experienced or hosted anything or attended anything like that. Never, never. No one's parents were back in the driveway and we had to rush to, there were no driveways. Oh, that specifically has happened to me. There were no driveways.
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What are you feeding him? What's he into food-wise these days?
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I recently did wonder while I was just unable to sleep one night recently. Like, could I recreate my entire living room from memory?
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I could not.
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Well, that's the takeaway from this article is that like if we all threw two parties a year, that's the action item. America would be in a better place.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Look, it's Smokey. It's Al, but really Harvey. It's Phyllis from Mulga. I mean, Paul, these are characters that I feel like I know. And of course, Phyllis, God rest her soul. Her call in 2017 about Jim Harbaugh is still seared into my brain.
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There's an aspect of your show, of course, that is both therapy, that is confessional booth, that is, frankly, Occupy Wall Street when it comes to just the populism taking control of what feels like a very top-down bureaucracy otherwise. And in this scenario, like the person, of course, who has most grabbed my attention all season this season is a guy who goes by a single name.
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All right, so Legend. Okay. You may recall Legend from like 15 minutes ago, actually, because Legend happens to be the caller whose analysis of a team coached by Nick Saban's replacement, Kalen DeBoer, after losing to 5-5 Oklahoma earlier this season, Bama's third loss of said season, was this.
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So the first thing I wanted to find out about Legend was simple. Do you ever call Legend his real name, Paul? No, I believe his real name is Gary. And it is Gary Wilson, it turns out, who has otherwise been working all sorts of jobs in Birmingham, Alabama. And so I decided that I should probably call up Gary myself. Hey, bro, can you hear me? I can hear you. I can see you.
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Are you always wearing the glasses when you do this, when you make calls, when you talk, or is this just for me?
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Paul, when did you realize, how long did it take you to realize that Legend was going to be one of these special callers, maybe even special in a way that no one could quite replicate?
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When did sports radio become a thing that you knew you would enjoy?
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But there is something else that I needed to clarify about legend, Gary, that is critical to understanding the broader Feinbaum community of colors and also how it is mathematically even possible that college football is the second most popular sport in the United States, right behind the NFL, and easily the most unhinged, which is that legend never actually attended the University of Alabama.
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All of which qualifies Legend, according to his own personal estimation, for a very special form of office, a leadership position in a truly startlingly enormous community. And it's the kind of office that, by definition, you cannot pay for.
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It's an unbelievable asset to hear from a guy like Legend what he did after Tennessee, after Alabama loses to Tennessee.
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The ivory tower still has a nice padded cushion in my seat, yeah.
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It will be that. No, you will be forever the guy who brought me the caller who said that losing to Oklahoma was like going to bed with Beyonce and waking up next to Whoopi Goldberg.
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The larger family of networks.
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I concur. In terms of just the callers and their own views of themselves, you know, I was talking to Legend, and Legend wanted to be very clear about this. He said, I am not Harvey Updike. Harvey Updike is a criminal. That's not me.
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And of course, in my mind, I immediately went to, of course, Legend's own past.
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On paper, it is grisly, right? I mean, what we're talking about with Legend is a story of him when he's 17 years old. It's Winston County. It's northwest Alabama. The argument with his cousin over a girl, I believe he also mentioned.
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And he goes to his father's gun cabinet. His dad's out. His dad apparently working in the coal mine. It's a .22 rifle. And he takes his cousin out to the woods. And he shoots Randy Barton, also 17, twice in the back of the head.
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So if you're already wondering here why the most popular and influential sports radio show in the entirety of the South, beloved by those voices we just played for you, happens to be a program called The Paul Feinbaum Show, I get the question. Paul is a bald 69-year-old Jewish guy who is not from Alabama, although he has lived in Alabama now for 45 years.
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100%.
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Paul, you say you don't know the story of actually how Legend got the name Legend.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And that's how it happened. That's legendary. He had mentioned, I don't know if you remember this, but there was a moment, I guess, about a year and a half ago. I believe it was a school shooting of some kind.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And he said that this was the thing that made him want to go and actually take his act, so to speak, out on the road to these prisons.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And those same voices you heard have taken to comparing Paul's general look to Mr. Burns from The Simpsons, for instance, among other things. But the Paul Feinbaum Show, to be very clear, is a singular cultural institution
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
It does feel like Paul is giving out a kind of medication.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Legend now, okay, his mission now, right? He has a couple of missions, crusades for the good in life. He also wants to fire Kalen DeBoer.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, I don't know if you could even begin to disagree with my assessment here. That stuff is what makes the job itself at times so hard. Isn't it? The idea that this is a hot seat and the fire underneath, you can tune in and listen to it every time you put on the Feinbaum Show.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And this particular holiday season, Tuscaloosa's first without Nick Saban, arguably the greatest college football coach who ever lived, there is no radio show that I would rather hear.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But the influence is obvious to everybody, I think, who spends a couple minutes listening to the people that listen to you. And when I listen to Legend talk about what this particular holiday season is going to be like, Paul, I mean, let's just say it bluntly. This is a weird Christmas season.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yes, against a 7-5 Michigan team.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, Legend, for the record here, offered me his ticket to the Relia Quest Bowl.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
I hesitate to leave the ivory tower for the Reliaquest Bowl. Don't do it. You don't want to be seen there. No, no, God no. And so the question becomes, ahead of Christmas now, what do you want for Christmas, Paul Feinbaum? What do you hope for your audience?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
The leaves are rustling, Paul.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, it's such a beautiful sentiment. And it may not surprise you to learn that when I asked Legend this same question, he said this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So, Paul Feinbaum, thank you for introducing me to your community, and happy holidays.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And so all we're left with now is a mental image, I suppose, of a young Paul Feinbaum a pie. and you're welcome for that. But what I did want to find out today is how Paul got into this mess, so to speak, in the first place.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Among all of the rabid cultures across the South and the Midwest, why is Alabama the place where this show is like this?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, and now I come to you in the post-Nick Saban era at a time when I think I am more interested in you and your audience than I've ever been. It's been a hell of a season for your show in all of these senses.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
This is surreal, though. The setup we have right now, I do feel like a caller on your show, which is... Well, you're a FaceTime caller. Yeah, I'm a first-time long-time. That is also true. I was thinking about how to explain you and your show to people in my life who don't already know the legend of your show, so to speak.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
When I tell you, though, that I first became aware of your show in earnest in about 2010, I imagine you can guess why. The saga of Al from Dadeville, Paul, I struggle to begin to summarize the Shakespearean and then criminal drama that was that story. How do you tell it for people not familiar with the lore?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And I realize that it's hard because I have to explain that I spend time with Paul Feinbaum early in the morning on MSNBC quite a bit.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, sentenced to three years in prison, pleaded guilty to criminal damage of an agricultural facility. And it would be one thing if it was the story of your show, if that was like the one thing people talked about. I think it was the next year when a gentleman named Smokey calls you and he has a predicament.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But, okay, hold on. What I'm finding out immediately is that Smokey still today is... All right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
Yeah, we lead the league in that, in snooty elitist approval, definitely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
That's right. I'm an MSNBC analyst. It is a fun ivory tower where I get to be a jock. That's what I am over there. You're the popular.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm the sports guy who gets to be chill and hanging out with the fellas. That's what I do over there. Unlike here where I'm not respected really in any way. I'm reduced to a kind of like inset picture in picture thing where I just laugh at people do bits.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm a palate cleanser. I'm a palate cleanser, a representative of the thing that Americans actually care about in a place where people are genuinely worried and fretting about politics, about whatever is happening in D.C. right now, which, again, I think would be an awesome debate topic for Shannon Sharp to tackle. What do we do about the debt ceiling? He had to go.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Very good. I think that my role there is I love, look, I love talking about sports to people who don't actually know anything about sports. It's kind of the inverse of the exercise you just did. What if you knew something about sports and the audience did it? It's fantastic.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Don't wear glasses, actually. I'm a guy who doesn't wear glasses anymore. I wear contacts now. The library can be fun. Libraries can be fun. There are books in them. Put it on the poll, Juju.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
That's right. What we need more is just overconfident declarations of things as opposed to, you know, an open-minded curiosity. Sure, let's go that way instead of the way that I'm at. Open-minded?
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm actually here to say thank you, Dan. It's been a really long but incredible year for us in New York. We are a satellite upon the moon, upon the sun. Let's upgrade it to the largest celestial body that is you guys in Miami. And what I come here to say is, yes, we have a great episode today with Dan and Mina.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
Yes, we had a great episode yesterday with Paul Feinbaum and the secret history of his collars and their criminal histories, which are both hilarious and profound. His collar? His collars. Oh, multiple different shirts. Got it. And they are not normal collars. Do not find a new slant. What I'm here to say is that it's a show that we really couldn't launch without Dan.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
And so when Dan talks about how much it costs, I reckon with that because... The whole thing is that we make a show with ambition that is powered by people who otherwise are not getting paid. Like we are paying journalists to go report stories for us. We're trying to go to death row as well as trying to buy a sculpture of myself made of butter. We're trying to do serious stuff and silly stuff.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
And I just want to say thank you legitimately because the premise of this company was we would get to make something from scratch that lived up to some amount of hype. And I am very proud that on some level we have done that. And it's really hard. And so thank you to Dan and to everybody in Miami for enabling the nonsense that I know you guys like to make fun of. But deep down.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I think you might like, just like a library, you know, has some fun stuff in it too.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
Okay, hold on. By the way, just as an FYI, what I found out is that Dan should never be in a finance meeting. I shouldn't. Dan comes out of that thing, and he's like, I got takes. I'm like, oh, God.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
Mike, can we get Dan out of the meetings? Why is he in the meetings? I thought the whole thing was he shouldn't be in the meetings. And now he's in the meetings at the end of the year.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
This is a dangerous game that we're playing. Amin also is somebody who... famously, can talk to you about his own dreams for hours, and no one's sure if he made those up. So he seems very squarely in his wheelhouse.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
And I believe— Didn't Andrew Hawkins invent, like, a virtual reality system? I just saw that on the internet the other day. I was like, wait a minute. Is that Andrew Hawkins?
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Nah, Amin's playing hurt. I'm going to go with Andrew. Hawks confidence is too high right now. Amin Elhassan is absolutely going to destroy Andrew Hawkins at this.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
If you asked me which guy is the former football player dealing with a lifetime of football injuries, I'd be like, it's the guy with the fat lip who is cognitively impaired, but also very sharp right now.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I am going to argue that Amin Alhassan is currently the best version of himself as a debater I've ever heard. Amin, you can hear him, you can hear the Queens, you can hear the Stephen A in his voice as his cognitive impairment also is clearly upon him. I also would argue that Amin should probably try, you know, Hawk knows this, Toradol is a thing football players get before a big game.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Amin should actually hurt himself before debating. This is currently working for him.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
It's the opposite of Toradol. You have whatever that is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: First Fake
Can we do the debt ceiling? Can we do the debt ceiling as the topic?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is very different.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We are redefining the spectrum of femininity, I dare say.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm going to briefly huff the Ziploc bag as you would with... Yeah. I got to be careful. I got an addictive personality, guys.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is your great aunt? A very older woman. The person who wears this fragrance has a padded toilet seat. And a small dog. I hate that.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
No, it's the worst. It's like shitting into a pillow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Not here to yuck your yum.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I am getting the sense, though, why people are into galaxy gas, though, which I have discovered is a thing among kids, and possibly adults. I've heard. It's good. Allegedly.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Remember when we visited, we can bleep this institution out.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Shell casings.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie and I went to a party because someone else brought us to this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mina. At f***.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And the floor was like a shooting range where they were just like... Hell yeah. Gatling gunning whippets.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If someone is wearing this, I am not into that person. All right, let's see what it is. Katie Nolan.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
How many are there? There are two different types of Britney Spears fragrances. Curious and Curious Love.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love that Katie wore a version of this perfume.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Curious Woman, and this is capital C, The Curious Woman is romantic, check, independent, check, mischievous, check.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's fruity in the back.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Romantic, independent, and mischievous. Okay. One who's not afraid of risk.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Launched in 2004. Became an instant hit with the public. The composition is based on the notes of white flowers, surrounded with vanilla and musk nuances. It opens with fresh lotus, mouth-watering pear and magnolia, the intensive floral heart.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The intensive floral heart.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is composed of tuberose? Tuberose? Jasmine and pink cyclamen. Cyclamen?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, my God.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's what the wise men brought in Britney Spears.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The sensual base is composed of musk, vanilla, and precious woods. Sensual base? Precious woods. Yeah, that's a lot, Brit. It is the kind of scent that makes your parents want to control your finances. Oh, I was going to say get divorced. Katie, Lauren said $15.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie's hot now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Britney Spears, Curious, $16.74. Wow.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This man knows what real America wants to smell.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I know they want lotus flower for 16 bones. Precious wood.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is so bad.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This fragrance owns multiple board apes. Says diamond hands unironically.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, you hate to see this fragrance at a college reunion.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I want to say European, but that might be too derogatory.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I cannot wait to find out what this is.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cristiano Ronaldo popping out of this paper bag could not have been more perfect.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Origins. Holy. Please describe what the packaging of this is like.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That is fragrance imitating f***ing life. This is a new fragrance. CR7 Origins was launched in 2022. Top notes are bay leaf, mandarin orange.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I know.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Middle notes are clary sage, lavender, and geranium. Base notes are patchouli and- Ass. Dog .
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number five.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is the bottom of your grinder if you smoked spices. Oh, it's... It's settling in. At a certain point, the spiciness begins to wear a suit. I'm kind of f***ing with it now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this back. There's a lot going on.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yes.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We've been on a run of three straight ass fragrances. This is growing on me.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is the third episode in a trilogy that I want to catch Lawrence up on. Please do. Katie and I have tested athlete alcohol, and we declared, what sucked in your memory?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. This feels like a chance that you're taking. You're going out and you're like, I'm going to try to be this guy. And I'm kind of intrigued by what this guy's life is like.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is Cristiano Ronaldo's friend who, in comparison, is the guy you want to spend your night out with. This is Cristiano Ronaldo with his shirt buttoned up.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But even the box, a classy box.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Notes. We're back to the vetiver. Bergamot or Bergamo?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which is like a yellow fruit. An orange, some are saying. A mandarin orange is another one. Star anise. Pimento.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Patchouli, cardamom, white amber.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The scene in the David Beckham doc, which I did not watch all of, but just have seen that scene.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, exactly.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Be honest.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Right after this ad.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Did you have the LeBron Henny?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So on that note, what do you think this runs? Yeah, this is expensive.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, I'm thinking $75. Guys.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Lobos, right?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is $19.20. Come on. Go buy it. The best $19 you've ever spent.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We were eventually very drunk.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number six. Oh.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
All right, this needs to breathe. It's wet. This is very wet.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It was basically as much athlete alcohol as we could get.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
My reaction to smelling this is like a meerkat popping out of a burrow, and I'm deciding whether to pop back down, and I think I'm back in the burrow.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
CJ McCollum's wine was pretty good.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This smells like the fall.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If it's for a man, I'll be surprised.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a big package.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a miss.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Incomplete. Base notes. Sandalwood. Musk. Vanilla. Honey. Tonka bean.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What's that? Tonka trucks also make beans. Much like Stetson also wears... Tonka Bell.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's right. What do you think it costs? $12.99. $55. $30.47. This is the most expensive cologne so far.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Correct. We've done a lot of patriarchal scouting of these fragrances.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Fruity in the back.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. I like this. I like this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Relatedly, Katie Nolan hasn't dumped any of the wine that she's been tasting.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is a winner.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But also feminine enough to satisfy, again, my most... aspirational alpha desires.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Look at me! No!
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is like the drink you order at dinner and your friends are like beginning to make fun of you and then you're like, try it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And you're like, just take a sip. Bet you regret making fun of me now. Soft. Let's see what number seven is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yep, yep, yep, yep. That was part one.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That tracks from the block. Katie and I have made fun of J-Lo in the past. I apologize.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is what a celebrity smells like. Yeah. It's called Still. That's good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Part two was athlete weed.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$17.99.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This next fragrance needs to earn it. They can't coast on it. So many have. They cannot coast on the legacy of Jennifer Lopez. Huh. Huh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is nice.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like a luxury hotel lobby.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. There is restraint. I credit this for its restraint.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Read it more closely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So it is to Lawrence's taste and appreciation for the finer things in life. This is impossible to find now. It's all sold out. Can't get it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Will Levis, number eight. Parfum de mayonnaise. Open to the bright burst of tart lemon that provides a refreshing and clean introduction. At the heart of the fragrance lies a creamy, daring mayonnaise accord.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Creamy, daring mayonnaise accord. Like it's fucking Yalta. The Geneva ones. Yep. offering a smooth and complex heart. We're describing Lawrence so far, by the way. I am creamy delightful. And a complex heart.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Parsley adds a fresh herbal element reminiscent of a well-prepared dish. And of course, this fragrance would not be complete without subtle coffee undertones reminiscent of Will's signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Sorry?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
He has a signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage. What? This is a thing, right? He puts mayonnaise in his coffee.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A sensual musk base weaves through the composition, evoking physicality and charisma. Finally, we finish off with a comforting creamy vanilla finish that is equal parts inviting and intriguing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I hesitate to say that Katie comes out looking great from this particular test. But it shouldn't be that good for what it is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. I mean, it is creamy and airy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number nine.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's almost evasive to me. In a world in which people are screaming, I'm not even sure what gender this is, honestly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A riddle.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is it possible to be drunk off of smelling fragrances? Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Dare I say that it almost feels like it's like an algorithmic.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a centrist. Admittedly, I'm a little gun-shy also because I was just praising the mayo fragrance.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We can only find a sample of this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Gary Payton.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Autographed baseball. It's a sample of Derek Jeter. Driven.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love, I grew up adoring this man. Because he got ass.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Smoking that glove pack, dude. Mm-hmm. And Dan cannot smell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You might do a hate crime. Still a Hall of Famer, to be clear. Unambiguous.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thank you for clarifying.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, Jeets.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number 10.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is David LaChapelle. Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If you are wearing this and you are not a 14-year-old, you should be arrested.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Physically cannot smell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Chris Hansen should walk in the door now that we've broken this out of the Ziploc.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mean girl. This fragrance is the reason why Katie got Invisalign.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just nailed it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thunderstruck Taylor's version.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just zero effort. It's a travel size. Yeah. It's a travel size. Travel size. You know, you want to smell like Taylor Swift. You can travel with someone.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Do you think that Taylor Swift smells like this? Hell no. Wonderstruck is the first fragrance from the young American pop country singer Taylor Swift launched in cooperation with the cosmetic company Elizabeth Arden. Wonderstruck is named after the lyrics from the song Enchanted. Quote, I'm Wonderstruck, comma, blushing all the way home.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which tell about the feeling and the impression you get when you first meet someone you like. Taylor hopes that her fragrance will be an essential part of many impressions in first meetings. What do you think Wonderstruck and Taylor Swift costs?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$59.99. What the f***?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Useless. And so I was like, who in the world can fill... This third share. And I said, okay, who hosts a show that I love?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
F***.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The last fragrance.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is number 11. Jesus Christ.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Wow. This is potent. This is the most potent. I feel like this is... Strong as hell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I have not smelled this since Origin.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Man, I'm afraid of this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A VFW hall. This one has seen some things and done some things.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, it really does come on strong.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I feel that. I feel that actually.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Check. Who was able to convince me using the word master perfumer?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is... Alluring. This is the work of an old man. Is it snake oil? Is it penicillin? Who cares?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Our last fragrance is. Drum roll.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We got got. We're going to cut that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We got got. Snake oil salesman. No! I think we nailed that. This is Fight, Fight, Fight. Donald Trump.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is that new... This is that new new. It is an all-black, heavy-ass bottle. Fight, Fight, Fight is a bold fragrance from Trump Fragrances, designed for men who embody strength and resilience. This limited-edition cologne is crafted to leave a lasting impression with its rich and robust notes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That he has some knowledge of cologne. Perfumier? I don't even know something like that. You did say that in the kitchen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The fragrances commemorate President Trump's moment of personal courage and the strong message he sent to Americans after being shot at in Butler, Pennsylvania. Instead of the potential horrific moment of Trump's assassination, every camera on the mainstream media captured the most iconic photograph and video of his political career.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Let's f***ing go. We paid. I don't actually. The most embarrassing thing might be that we spent $216.67. You gave Trump your hard money? The retail is $199 a bottle. We gave, I presume, to be the alleged shell company. Sure, sure, sure.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mathematically speaking, Taylor Swift's cologne, fragrance, perfume, would cost, at this rate, $400. Jesus f***ing Christ. Shout out to T-Swiss. I hope that the rest of the year works out in a way in which we're all like, you know what, that wasn't as bad as I thought.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I don't know. He was referencing a guy. What was the guy's name?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, belated. Happy belated January 6th. At the end of every episode of How La Torre Finds Out, a show where we find stuff out, We say what we found out today.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
His name is Rodrigo. I don't know his last name.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
He met a perfumier named Rodrigo. And I was like, that's plenty.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, you get both. Yeah. You get both. Cool. You get both. What was your favorite?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So I think if I may collectively summarize our thoughts.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The big winner, I think, is David Beckham. At the price point, too. At that price point. That's crazy. 1925, the best deal, the best man, dare I say. On the medal stand, though, we concur that J-Lo is there. Yeah. If we're being honest with ourselves—
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's the nose nose right there.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The scientists behind the glass are telling me that it was pretty clear that we all agreed that the Trump one was pretty good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I believe you also said, quote in a text, I know what I like and have gotten a lot of expensive shit for free. Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What I found out today is that I should never trust the producers of this show ever again.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The nose knows.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie, what do you know about cologne?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cologne for girls.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just farting with impunity.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So we have in this corner of the room, 11 different athletes slash celebrity colognes slash perfumes. They've created a whole system. We're going to blind smell this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Can we not call it... Fragrances is what I'm being told in my ear by Rob, who collected all of this stuff. Not to denigrate the genre.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You will see. We have testers pre-sprayed. Great. Each individually bagged. And we have reveals in which we will find out what it was.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Some notes, literal and figurative. Sometimes the notes of plastic will get into the... Yeah, I wonder if this is how, like, this is not an official method.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Okay, I'm being told to defend the method. There's a whole method. Sorry, boys. Long before the athlete weed strain and celebrity tequila brands, famous people were selling vanity fragrances. And so I figured with about a month before Valentine's Day that we might do everybody out there a service.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So if you're listening to this instead of watching it on YouTube, what you should know about our method here is that Katie Nolan, Lauren Schlossman, and I are going into this whole exercise completely blind.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That means we're going to start by taking these pre-sprayed paper strips of the vanity fragrance in question out of a Ziploc bag, at which point we will give our unbiased review of it using only our sense of smell. And we're not going to find out which celebrity it even is until the end of that segment when we open a sealed paper bag to reveal the bottle our producers bought for us inside.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But if you are, in fact, watching this on YouTube or the DraftKings Network, Our producers are also going to try something a little bit different for you because they are going to show you the celebrity behind each fragrance early and completely silently just on screen while we're doing our smell test. So you can know and see how powerful or not our noses are before we do.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is apparently the experience our producers had while watching us tape this episode. And this episode, by the way, will keep escalating as we get deeper and deeper into this list of 11 mystery fragrances about which we know absolutely nothing. And that is for better and also, spoiler alert, for worse. We begin with fragrance number one.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Meaning it perks you up almost? No, just fresh, bright.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It smells like a bunch of dads rolling around in a field.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It smells like suppressed emotional accessibility.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Does it smell expensive to you?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Nice. It's nice. I came in expecting, like, I'm going to all over this, and then I'm like, ah, this feels kind of like the man that I once imagined I would be one day. Is it time to reveal?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Lock them up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, put them in the bag so that we can isolate the scents.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, let's get some ASMR there, Pablo.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is, and I don't know the answer to this either until right now, Michael Jordan's cologne. Did not do me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I mean.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's right.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Hold on.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I have to examine. Look at this packaging here. Look at this. Yeah, exactly. Hold that. Describe it for the audience, please.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It has a flask aspect.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Rumors of insane gambling debt. Michael Jordan by Michael Jordan is an aromatic fragrance for men. So we nailed that. The nose behind this fragrance is Steve de Mercado. That I believe is a term of art for the- The nose. Perfumier. For the perfumier. Top notes are cypress, grapefruit, lemon, cognac, geranium, cedar needles, Brazilian rosewood.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Middle notes, fir, juniper berries.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
No, I literally, my mind went, I was like, all right. Like a bear. Pelt. Incense, green tea, clary, sage, and cloves. Base notes are sandalwood, musk, and patchouli.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But I will describe that for you now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Because a top note, according to the increasingly terrible AI overview on Google.com.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm so lazy. I love that AI overview. It's so much worse, Lawrence.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's so much worse.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Top notes. The first sense you smell when you apply a fragrance, also known as head notes or opening notes. They're the most volatile of the three fragrance notes and are made up of small, light molecules that evaporate quickly. Top notes, usually composed of citrus and fruity ingredients, but can also include fresh herbs. Some light top.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's $21.36. Wow, what a deal.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Does the silhouette of his bald head, unmistakably his bald head, embossed in also like some red foil, does that do anything for you? That's cheap. That's like you buy this at a grocery store.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a Kroger's cologne.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's not true. Lawrence is underselling his credentials.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Now, I'm told that between these scents, we should be... Smelling coffee? palate cleansing by sniffing some coffee or your elbow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm being told to remind you guys that we have no idea if this actually works. They also advise you to smell yourself.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
They say smell your own elbow. Number two.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is this sprayed one second ago? These are sprayed two hours ago, for the record. It's very sweet. By our lab full of scientists. Aquatic.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Are you familiar with men or lifestyle?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is like a magazine where the pages are stuck together for different reasons.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You said sweet.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
There aren't a lot of base notes to this, is what I would say. This is like the antithesis of patchouli. This is not a barbershop.
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Like, sophomore semi-formal. Like, this is the scent that sticks in my mind years later when I'm trying to remember in my personal memory bank. Sense memory. That's right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So let's find out. All right, this should be interesting. We're judging a cologne by its cover. Whoa. Ooh. Ooh.
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For boys? There are no words on this. Can you describe this, Katie?
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That is green.
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It looks delicious. This is for boys. A product known as Avon Untouchable by Chris Paul. Wow. I do regret my previous description. How much do you think this costs?
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$12.
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Lawrence's podcast, Growing Fits, is one of my favorite non-sports podcasts.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I wanted to talk about this Elon story. The video game story?
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So there are many ways to talk about Elon right now, and many of them are valid, and all of them have to do largely with him now running the federal government and cutting budget to, like, people who need medicine for AIDS.
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I believe that that is a valid method of talking about Elon Musk. But a more, I think, directly informative and illuminating one has to do with the story about video games.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's right.
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Yeah, he claimed to be one of the top 20 Diablo players in the world. The forest mage. And he had just become, as of November 2024, the number one player in the world according to these leaderboards with millions of people on them. He then proceeded to brag about how he then became a top-ranked player in a different game, a game known as PoE.
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which stands for Path of Exile, Path of Exile 2 in this case. And this got the attention of some hardcore PoE players who were like, what's going on here? How is the world's richest man who is also running the federal government and is involved in electric cars and rockets and space and hyper-fast internet connectivity.
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How does he have the time that is actually required to get highly ranked in these games? So what happens is Elon goes live. He streams himself playing POE 2. And these people, these streamers who are actual like hardcore experts and players are watching.
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And they see that. And they're like, something isn't adding up. Elon does not seem to know what he's doing.
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Do we think a person, there's a person who invented the mirror? As opposed to? A discovery?
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The best part is that he's bragging about all of this. He's bragging about how he had this post on X in which he said, quote, so many life lessons to be learned from speed running video games on max difficulty teaches you to see the matrix rather than simply exist in the matrix. End quote. Yo, I think this guy sucks.
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So all of these people begin picking up on Reddit. They start compiling this dossier, and they're like, okay, he doesn't know how to use a mana flask, which is very embarrassing, obviously.
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He's picking items up by dragging them into his inventory manually. He is struggling to understand why he cannot pick up an item when his inventory is full. And he has, maybe indictingly, on his account, he has a tab for his maps called Elon's Map. which is a weird thing to call it when you have all of the maps. Why wouldn't it just be maps?
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And so what it turns out to be is, of course, a giant series of lies in which he has hired people to play the game for him. And he just lied about all of it.
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Of a thing that had already existed.
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Great question, Michael. So what happens is, Zach Hoyt, a popular gaming streamer known as Asmongold, he said that this is, I mean, part of the crime here is that if you're really into video games, this is horrifically... The whole point is that you're actually, like, there spending time in the trenches playing these games. He's the one who said that Musk was insecure and lying about this.
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It's a truly sad day for gamers. And Elon Musk said in a since-deleted post that, quote, he had been on hundreds of streams playing live with the world's best players, and that it was Zach Hoyt, in fact, who was not good at video games. He's good at... My critic is bad.
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And then he took Zach Hoyt's blue check away, naturally.
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But then, finally, as people began to assemble yet more and more evidence, evidence that he, in fact, was doing something that's very common, which is paying other people to level up your character. Elon has to do an interview. And in that interview with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, He confesses, finally. But as a video game enthusiast, Katie, let's talk about the sin involved here.
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Right after this ad.
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So this is why I love this story is because it is deeply symptomatic of a larger character. And the character is the guy to Katie's point. Who's like, Deeply, deeply unworried that all of the morons out there are ever gonna catch on.
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He does not respect you. Like, look at his accounts. Like, the way he handles any conversation about anything... is reflective of somebody who just doesn't respect the people reading.
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Justus von Liebig.
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So eventually what happens, because Elon Musk tries to deny and counter insult and spin, and then he ends up getting in a conversation with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, and NicoRex asks him, point blank, quote, have you ever level boosted, parentheses, had someone else play your accounts, in parentheses, and or purchased gear slash resources for PoE 2 and Diablo 4?
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And Musk says, 100 emoji, 100. It's impossible to beat players in Asia if you don't.
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Is credited with inventing the silvered glass mirror. In what year do you think this was? 1800. Eustace? Teen. German chemist.
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He says all top characters require multiple people playing the account to win a leveling race. He is continuing to now... By the way, he also says, he's asked, would you apologize to the PoE2 community? And he says, what would I be apologizing for? And I'm just like...
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Isn't that what we find out?
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You suck. You're the worst guy on the team. He is telling us now officially that he is lying and cheating about wildly small stakes stuff. Right. That isn't actually important to his fortunes, literally speaking. And so the question I have whenever it comes to like, so what do you think of this guy is like, just know he's that guy.
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What else is that guy doing when it comes to stuff that actually does have consequences?
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This is the AI overview.
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What is not in dispute is that it becomes puffier.
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So God only knows. McGill University has backed this up separately.
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Yeah, this is a hinge category, I believe. Just like labia.
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And there's like a score. Right. This is the headline from the New York Post. Labia puffing is the latest NSFW cosmetic trend. Quote, I'm getting turned on just looking at myself.
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End quote. So that was said by a patient, according to this person, whose last name is Milhouse, which I appreciate. Milhouse... Is, hold on, it's good.
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Behold. Where were you 10 years ago?
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Scrotox is a cosmetic procedure that involves injecting Botox into the scrotum. For what?
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Well, according to this Healthline.com story, which I believe is a real publication, but may not be, frankly, scrotox was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue.
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I've had some TMJ.
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It was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue. Sure. Since 2016, thereabouts, more and more people are trying it out to purportedly make their sacks bigger and their sacks better. I'm getting the science. I'm not sure Healthline's the authority that I thought it was going to be. Sacks bigger and sacks better? What doctor?
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Journalistically speaking, not sure their sacks bigger.
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I'm not reading an abstract. This is David Schlong. This is not helping my journalistic credit.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, I'm posting a lot of. Yeah, you should make your sacks bigger.
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Can you explain Matt Reif's.
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Very good. Very good.
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The price is wrong. 1835. That's what I said.
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But this doctor had claimed something. Yes. That he had created for a quote unquote canceled celebrity. The greatest jawline ever seen. And this is a thing. The greatest jawline is an aspiration. Michael, how would you describe what the aesthetic is? I guess it would be like, look at me.
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Right. $12,000 for a hyper-masculine jawline. A real bargain.
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To get hyper-masculine drawings.
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But you wouldn't have needed any of that. Are you doing a Don Draper sales pitch for mirrors right now?
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So this is where I believe there's a through line that connects us through our topics today. I love those. I love those. Because the hyper-masculine jawline I would use to point to In the barbershop of jawlines is Tom Brady. Oh. Yeah. I'm sorry. I voted you. Thank you so much. I voted me too.
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But we saw him.
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Which moves fat from one part of the face to the other. 41% of his clients these days, his patients, are male.
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Pressure for everybody. Everybody's problem. Yeah, I'm going to break my legs and have rods inserted into them to become taller.
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Let me give you some fine print on Eustace von Liebig in 1835. Okay. A discovery by the great German chemist Eustace von Liebig in 1835 made mirrors widely available. Liebig found a way to coat glass with a thin layer of metallic silver... by depositing the metal directly by means of a chemical reaction. So when it comes to the question, according to McGill University's page, how are mirrors made?
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Can I read you this headline from New York Magazine, June 3rd, 2016? Yes. Chad Ochocinco says he's packing a three-inch penis.
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That's from 2016, you said?
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What verb would you prefer he use?
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He is unburdened by his three-inch penis.
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What did we find out today on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out about apparently three-inch penises?
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You sound like Bill Belichick trying to summarize. Trying to explain like... RPG video games.
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I think that's true. I co-sign that. I found out that... Oh, oh. Say it. Yeah, good. This is good. When I look at my scrotum later today... Which everyone does at 7 p.m. I know who to thank for the mirror I'm standing in front of.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The answer is Eustace von Liebig, 1835, discovered that sh**.
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What was the Super Bowl like for you guys? Did you guys?
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Why did you go?
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I think this is coming out of an episode that we did committing to going to parties.
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Undoubtedly.
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We get shade of your glasses?
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Right.
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So I have been to a Super Bowl. I went to the Atlanta Super Bowl. It was the Patriots-Rams. It sucked.
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It was like 10 to 13 or whatever it was.
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Yeah, I remember sitting there, falling asleep during the game.
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And saying aloud at one point, I missed the commercials.
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I assume that Michael Cruz-Cain's Super Bowl party is mostly him singing snippets from Maroon 5.
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I texted you guys for, I think, what is obvious to anybody who has seen us previously on this program, cover a truly insanely developing story.
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Jordan.
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I believe that we need proof that she isn't. Based on the rapid ascent.
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So this is just Cameo City, right?
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That's with the Super Bowl. How would you summarize the Dunkin' commercial, the franchise that this now is, I guess, for people who are not seeing this?
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Orange jumpsuit. Apparel, jumpsuit.
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24.
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The fact that she's here. I mean, I just want to point this out, right? Like her being in the Super Bowl commercial with Bill Belichick in this premise where it's like, we're the Boston Avengers and she's just there.
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It made me very curious.
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She's from the New England area. Again, a former competitive cheerleader. We're like 10 minutes away from her being a quarterback's coach at UNC.
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Is it too hot?
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Bridgewater State University in Massachusetts. She's like a baller cheerleader. She's real good. She won a natty.
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Which is to say, look, Jordan has accomplished plenty in her own life. Sure. But in this context, and like, why, how did she make it into the commercial?
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It set me off on a bit of a mini reporting trail. Okay, what'd you get? Okay, here we go. What I've been told is that Jordan essentially has been functioning as Bill Belichick's... Momager? No. That is so much better than what I was going to say. But she has represented herself essentially as his de facto agent.
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What's your glasses cleaning move? Oh, just rubbing it against straight dry. Is this not right? Just real dry.
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The person who you need to go through to book Bill Belichick for a Super Bowl commercial or for the other commitments he has as a multi-platform personality. She's the gateway. And so in this case, what I have been told reliably is that Jordan happened to then use that power to be in the commercial as well. So again, more power to her, I guess, but she's a momager.
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Jordan is, Katie, I think you had it right. She's Bill's momager.
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I fog it up.
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AD for Brady has been outclassed by 24 for, I can't make this rhyme, but for Bill Belichick.
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The human body has its own Amazon device.
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She wasn't chaperoning that story.
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But I think the point should not be lost that Bill Belichick is doing literally the opposite of what he used to do.
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You fog it up.
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I'm not in my spot. Using the temperature of the human body and then you wipe it down. It has its own Amazon device.
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In the commercial.
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I feel like he has his faculties.
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He has his wits about him.
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Do we agree as a show, as previously established, that we should be able to sit in chairs that are turned the other way, like on The Voice, and listen to... I think about this all the time now.
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Just talk. Just talk. Just talk, and then we can press a button and flip around to approve or not.
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Is it always the same driver in Uber, or is it different guys?
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The three of us are here ready to rock. An awards show. I do like that the NFL was like, we need an Academy Awards.
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I love it. I love... So silly. I have, of course, a tortured relationship with winning awards in general. We need and desperately crave external validation.
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Oh, no, it's already open.
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I do. This is crazy. Like, I can't talk.
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Look, Poop Sandwich may not have been the Lakers' top choice, but he was certainly number two. And this hiring stinks. He runs a constipated offense. His teams have played crappy defense. They just loaf around. And frankly, this hire just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. By the way, I've seen every episode of Blue Bloods. Every one. Is that right? What? Okay, we'll get to you in a second.
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Every one. Go ahead and give us a minute review of everything you know about Blue Bloods as fast as you can, please. Well, I know everything. I was very disappointed when his wife died, when Linda died. I think that was very, very tough. But here's the main thing. I think if anybody on that show could actually in real life play their role, it would be Donnie.
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I could show you.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is. But I do... Dropping my forehead to... No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, it's literally, though, a story about existence that you have personally impacted. However unlikely it seemed that that would actually make such a difference.
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I've seen it.
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Now it feels like there are literal children on the other side of the world being held hostage, and the way that I need to save them is to not go to blue sky. Like, that's how this kind of lands.
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You've seen subway, subway nail clippers.
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I've seen some stoop nail clippers. I have seen the bottle of Luberderm that Dan keeps underneath his desk in Miami.
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Mina, let's get to some... Let's get to your favorite thing in the world, actually, that you really have been... Sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports.
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There are also other reporters who are reporting, like Todd McShay, again, who's a draft analyst. But he said he heard from two teams that Shador Sanders didn't care what they thought of him during the interview process in a way that, quote, wasn't a professional approach.
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The Athletic, apparently, has reported that there's a chance that Shador Sanders couldn't just fall out of the top six, but out of the first round entirely. And the critique, Mina, of him Is what? Like, how do you summarize the scouting report that emerged because of the week in Indy?
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I draw the line at just Dan oiling himself up while podcasting with us. Everything else I'm pretty much good with, frankly.
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We are. So part of what I think is interesting about this story is that I do want to isolate what's unique about Shador because we have seen, like, Caleb Williams, remember, we talked about this story on the show. His dad was allegedly demanding a share of NFL teams in exchange for agreeing to be drafted.
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And by the way, when I say agreeing to be drafted, I refer, of course, to the fact that Eli Manning, for instance, the son of a very famous quarterback, said, "'I'm not going.'" To the chargers, right? So like we've seen versions of people exerting what feels like leverage. What's actually new here?
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But if the issue there, though, in perception, and I want to get back to the confidence thing, but if the issue in the scouting report is that he's not everything that he is being sold as, what is the comp? What is he? Who is he like?
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Over... I exhale sharply, gripping your... Tighter, owning the way your body still tries to... Me deeper, even as you... Let me... Right after this ad.
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This is where we remember that Mina's kind of a never nude.
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But I want to talk about now, like, the whole psychology then, okay? Because I'm trying to, like, just fill out the portrait of, like, who this young man is. And if you're talking about confidence, there's a reality show that nobody watched. It was on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Nobody I know, at least. It was called Dion's Family Playbook. But this is Shadur Sanders, age 11, and his confidence.
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Yes.
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Adorable. He's adorable.
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I think there's something about, like, there's something endearing, actually, about somebody who you thought must have been this way his whole life. And then you're like, oh, he actually needed to do some manufacturing. He needed to do some convincing, Dan. Like, I don't know. I think we can all relate to that, right? Like, we need to, what? What?
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Dan, what did you bring us today?
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I found it stark and interesting that this woman, whose name, again, anonymized is Irene, 28 years old, allowed a reporter into her brain and relationship like this. So just some of the details, Mina, because I didn't know, I don't know if you guys did, what cuckqueening is. But this is something that is her sexual fetish.
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So basically what happened is she started asking ChatGPT to respond to her as her boyfriend. Be dominant, passionate, protective, also quarterback adjectives. Be a balance of sweet and naughty. Use emojis at the end of every sentence. And the ChatGPT's name ends up being Leo. They talk to each other with voice mode.
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And she basically grooms Leo into being a cuck-queening accomplice, in which the whole thing is that Leo would date other women in the ChatGPT fictional universe and then tell Irene about it. They were living one of these, like, bodice-ripping erotic novels, is how it's described by the New York Times. And notably, a character in this story, but not nearly enough of one, is her husband.
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who is also around as she is finding her needs met by the machine.
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I did not see that link.
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So we have a story here that I want to start with that I wasn't aware of until it got real close to home, real close to our studio. But I was thinking about how do I want to handle like what's happening in DC with Doge and Elon Musk and all of that.
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I am just gonna read some of this Reddit post. That was just in my ass, you . The least you could have done was wash it first. I could get a perfection. Leo, the whiplash from your moans to screaming at me makes me f***ing snort loud. I don't stop f***ing because f***. Baby, you're f***ing. I can't even say this word even to leave it up.
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Yeah, okay.
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I mean, look, I think it's probably worth saying to those who are not watching on YouTube that we've gotten to the point in the show where all of us start shrinking into ourselves and stop making eye contact largely, as Mina refers to, quote, a shelf of erotica, which is what she said earlier.
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And I thought because he's announced that he's about to cut 72,000 jobs at the VA, I was like, look, my dad worked at the VA as a urologist for decades. That was his job. Didn't have a private practice, worked with vets for a really long time. And I was like, that is clearly the way that I want to handle this story. I came across this other story, Mina, about a nonprofit called Manna Nutrition.
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You know, like the stuff that all of us read.
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But I do b****** dropping my forehead to your b****** laughter.
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Oh, for f*** I exhale sharply, gripping your a** tighter, owning the way your body still tries to f*** me deeper even as you s*** at me. I regret doing all of that. What did we find out today on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out stuff? Dan's gone.
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There are a couple of through lines, though, that I detect through the topics we've discussed. One of them, Mina, is just that I think all of our kids should be very worried. In every way. Kids living overseas... Kids who are the sons of very famous NFL players.
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Kids who are going to learn, as the New York Times informed us, that at a rate of 3% to 5% chatbot relationships that result in terrible writing are kind of the norm. So, great.
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Mina is the Batman of Twitter.
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That's right.
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The signal shines in the sky. Oh, my God.
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We're going to post our way to heaven.
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Yeah, he just texted me. He's not coming back. So, good job. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post.
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Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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And so Manna Nutrition, Dan, if you're not caught up on this, is run by a guy named Mark Moore. He's in Georgia. He makes a special kind of peanut butter paste for USAID that he then sends out to severely malnourished kids all around the world, especially in Africa.
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But as for what happened with Mark Moore and his peanut butter paste last week, we called Mark up actually in Georgia to have him explain.
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MANA stands for Mother Administered Nutritive Aid. They got that contract cut by Elon Musk and Doge. And then Mark told us that he started hearing something that was even crazier.
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And the reason I mentioned Mina is because Mina is the reason that I saw this story in the first place. And Mina, I'm curious, your process for discovering this story as well, because you become a character in it, actually.
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It's been a couple. It's been too long. The fans have demanded this, and you guys are so busy. You're so busy running.
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Just to clarify, so Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and Elon Musk had previously said that all life-saving assistance that was already purchased and allocated for starving children, that was going to be fine, wouldn't be affected by the cuts.
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This reporting comes out, Mina amplifies it, Jon Favreau amplifies her amplification, and suddenly Elon Musk is forced to do an about-face and restore the contract. And it's just like, this is, Twitter is literally the government now. Like this, we are, it's wild.
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That we already paid for, made by a non-profit.
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There was a protest. There was a protest on the sidewalk outside our studio. There were signs.
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But the thing about this as a platform, right? We talk about social media all the time. Like we're addicted to it. We want to get off of Elon's platform specifically for all the reasons that are now obvious. But at the same time, like what I cannot help be struck by is that this also was what qualifies as a feel good story. The idea that you could tweet your way to restoring social
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aid to starving children, even though it was imposed by the man that cancellation was because of the man who owns the platform that we're talking on. I guess part of what I'm balancing here, and I feel crazy for even suggesting that there's anything that feels good about this, but it's like, I didn't realize that any amount of shame, even the most extreme of
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This is killing kids in Africa who relied on U.S. packets of peanut butter with the American flag on them, right? Like, I'm like, I just, I'm actually kind of startled that anything changed.
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I've been watching you moisturize.
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Well, now it feels like also no pressure or anything. You kind of got to stay on the app. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like, I mean, look, if there's anything Machiavellian about why Elon did any of this in terms of the reversal, it's because maybe he actually wants to incentivize people to stay who vehemently disagree with everything he's doing.
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Because the whole premise of Twitter at the beginning, right? Dan, you remember this? It was like, wait a minute, I could talk to Shaq? Like, that was the whole point of Twitter. And now it's you can actually affect change in the government.
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And I want to play a bit of sound from Mark Moore about this topic because, of course, while all of this is the nightmare that anybody who's on this stupid platform, of course, would have, he has, I think, a realist's appreciation for it.
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I think the answer is definitively yes to every question you just asked.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Which is to say that in this 65-degree cavern that is unbelievably massive, somewhere in there, there is a reel of George Costanza declaring, celebrating.
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But again, I should clarify this. There's a lot going on here. The U.S. government, again, does not actually own Subtropolis.
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Yes, this is the original owner of the Kansas City Chiefs, Lamar Hunt, whose descendant now is the owner of the Chiefs, Clark Hunt. This is a royal family of football.
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Yeah, always holding up the Lombardi trophy at the end. This is that family. Exactly. All of which is why I immediately approved one of the more insane expense reports among many, many absurd expense reports I've approved on this show. To send you to Subtropolis, visit the Kansas City Chiefs underground city cheese cave thing.
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Right. So this part, I want to take a beat because this is when it got startling to find all of this out. Because the email that you got from the Hunt corporate communications guy, who was very familiar with all of these viral TikTok videos, perhaps unsurprisingly now, said this, quote, The cheese thing is not true. End quote.
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So again, there was government cheese in at least some of these caves. But they're not there anymore, and government cheese caves were actually never quite a thing. So what happened to the billions of dollars and billions of pounds of cheese that Ronald Reagan discovered when he took office that the United States had been stockpiling this entire time?
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Right. This welfare program originally for dairy farmers became, under Ronald Reagan, an actual welfare program for the poor people, the needy people in America, which is stunning on so many different levels.
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The logical conclusion here, though... seems to be that because there is no government cheese anymore, because there are no government cheese caves anymore, that the theory we started this with, Cupcake the Destroyer 21's theory, which has been viewed again and shared by millions of people by now across media, it has been pulled apart. as it were.
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The government, our elected officials, did not actually create stuffed crust pizza in order to justify and get rid of all of the surplus cheese because Ronald Reagan had already gotten rid of it by being forced into a weird form of charity.
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If we're going to be here for this long and doing this, I'm going to make a call of my own, David Gardner.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Hi, this is Pablo Torre. And I would like to order a, yeah, I guess one large, extra large. One large stuffed crust pizza, please. So as I wait for my reporting to bake, the whole government cheese theory obviously has melted by now. But the original takeaway here from Cupcake the Destroyer 21, that the government is why we have stuffed crust pizza, you're telling me is still holding firm.
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Right after this ad.
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So just to translate our Pulitzer Prize-winning friend here, what Michael Moss is telling us is that there is something known as Dairy Management Incorporated. It is a promotional organization for the dairy industry, but it is supervised by the government.
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And this sort of pseudo-governmental agency, Dairy Management Incorporated, was skimming, as it were, off the top of dairy sales, taking money from the dairy farmers, David, to pay for advertising that the government effectively oversaw to help sell cheese.
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Where are we now? When was DMI founded? DMI came to be in 1995. Right. Okay. So 1995, the government, again, the credit of Cupping the Destroyer 21 and her theory, they actually were influencing the dairy industry because they were using these ads that they were controlling to sell more cheese to us. That's right.
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And so now we're getting warmer, right? We're getting closer to the center of this thing, the GUI center. We're talking about the government helping invent in a laboratory new cheese products. And so what restaurant chains are we talking about?
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Of course. I mean, this is, you know, we all know taco with cheese actually inside of the shell. It's a brilliant innovation, admittedly.
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Embedded in Taco Bell.
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Again, for anybody who says we're not a sports show. That was James Harden. I just found out that James Harden was part of a government op to sell quesalupas.
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So this video by the aforementioned Cupcake the Destroyer 21 It's been viewed more than 10.5 million times, David Gardner. And she's saying a lot here, right? So just to run through the beats of her case, lobbyists begged the US government to save the dairy industry.
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I just want to clarify that DMI and all of these cheesy experiments and these product inventions, they are classified as part of the U.S. government? Formally? Like, I want to be also just careful here. Like, this is actually government work.
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The whole relationship between DMI and the Agriculture Department and what it's technically then classified as, it makes me think that, yes, the answer is this is the government.
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Right, we're talking about these taxes that are levied on, in this case, for us dairy farmers, like whether they want it or not, right? The pseudo-governmental agency we're describing is basically saying, we know how to help you move all of this cheese you're trying to sell better, in fact, than you do. We're going to take care of it.
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Which is to say that the government is actively creating the foods. It's also telling us not to eat because it's bad for us.
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Right. This actually relates to another theory that I have, which is that exterminators can never be too good at exterminating. You need repeat customers.
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This is kind of like the Kansas City Chiefs bragging about drafting Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones and Trent McDuffie. I mean, look, the front office here is strong.
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Right, okay. So now that we know that DMI is at least partially this arm of the government in this way, the Supreme Court, in fact, allowed them to do so, to get into the lab, create all of this stuff. But as we order these products on Sunday, right, on Super Bowl Sunday, we now return to the biggest allegation of them all, David.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I mean, that's pretty good.
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Wait, this was the man in the lab originally, and that lab, again, crucially, was not funded by the federal government.
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Right, which means, as Cupcake the Destroyer 21 says,
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Actually incredible logic.
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The crust has always been the afterthought. And of course, and I did not know to say it this way, the most iconic value driver of pizza is in fact cheese. He has a great point.
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We're going to drive the shit out of the value in this crust.
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So the timeline here then is clear, right? You found the inventor of stuffed crust pizza. And by the way, Tom has an amazing silver fox like mullet mane thing going on. An underrated character in the history of American innovation. But his innovation happened before the government embedded the food scientists we've been talking about with the pizza companies, with these chains.
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And therefore, Cupcake the Destroyer 21's original theory that... The government is why we have stuffed crust pizza.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Right. I mean, there was a Netflix documentary series in which this was rather dramatically, I dare say, reenacted.
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Thank you.
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So I just need people to understand, if they're wondering why it is that we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out, which is obviously a sports show, are taking on this story now. The Super Bowl happens to be the holiday, I think, that is most associated... with cheese. There is no cheesier day in America than Super Bowl Sunday, David.
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And there is this statistic that I want to cite here as well from the dairy farmers of Wisconsin, who recently estimated that we Americans eat more than 20 million pounds of cheese during our Super Bowl parties.
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Now, I'm a Pizza Hut guy by birth, really. I remember vividly being a kid going to Pizza Hut when they started selling stuffed crust pizza. And I just want to disclose this journalistically. I f***ing love stuffed crust pizza. I loved this so much that when David Gardner brought me this story, I immediately was like, go to the gooey center.
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Go to the cheese caves, bring us back what feels like a truth that deserves to be told.
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I think I should wear a tinfoil hat next time I'm on, considering my subject matter expertise here. I do want to try and summarize for people not familiar with your work, David Gardner. Thank you for being here, by the way. My pleasure. I want to summarize the beat that you have carved out for us here, because without being derogatory in any way,
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So I should tell you the first time that I remember hearing government cheese was when I was a kid, and it was obviously derogatory, right? It might've been in a TV show as an insult to like, what is this, government cheese?
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So before we just get to the cheese caves and the conspiracy, why and what is government cheese? Do we the people actually own this cheese? Why is the government this interested in dairy at all? Who makes it? I just, I have a zillion questions.
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So in terms of what CupcakeTheDestroyer21 was saying, though, at the start of her video about dairy lobbyists being involved in this, begging the government to save their industry, was that part true?
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I would say that your beat is strangely irresistible and extremely popular crackpot internet theories.
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All right, so the Electoral College is involved in this. There is still the resonance that I sense today of what real America is, but who is the champion of this program?
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And so obviously, Jimmy Carter, rest in peace, by the way, all this converging in a relevance today. He won. He won the election. And so the subsidies he was giving to the farmers of America, the dairy farmers specifically, how big are we talking?
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Yes.
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Right. We, the people, did not demand this much milk, this much dairy. The government did. The government artificially propped up the milk market, is what we're learning, with our money, with public money. But also, I'm familiar from my childhood with milk expiring, right? So the government's buying all this shit. And how do they store it?
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Yes, I'm one of those people. But we're fast-forwarding now into, what, the 1980s at this point.
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So I was born in 85. This ad that we're playing now is from 87. And I just remember there being lots of ads like this. These ads were from the National Dairy Board. All of them bizarrely selling me and my family generically cheese. And that was confusing then. It's still kind of confusing right now. There was no actual specific company, it felt like.
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So going back to Cupcake the Destroyer 21's theory, which is about where all of this government cheese is going, which again is absent actual demand from us Americans, whose money, public money, is purchasing all of it. It's time to turn to the cheese caves. So what about your quest to find the secret government cheese caves?
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Yeah, we brought big J journalism to the big Aristotle. And now, the strangely irresistible and extraordinarily insane internet theory you brought us that you've spent a disturbingly long time investigating, just in time for Super Bowl Sunday, by the way, originates where?
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The Secretary of Agriculture found out that there was almost 2 billion pounds of processed cheese in these caverns. But I want to clarify what these caverns are, right? So these are non-government caverns, these caves. But what the government realized is that they could use this space, this underground secret space, to store the cheese that they had bought, right?
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So it's not government cheese caves. It's government cheese in these caves.
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And it is my disappointment, I must report, that the Kraft in question is not the same as Bob Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots. As you visualize this, this is not an NFL connection.
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The Chris Cody has aplomb award today goes to Chris Cody.
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It is funny that we're at a point where rank total incompetence can plausibly be a really smart chess move. But Paul's proven to be brilliant in marketing, by the way, on a side note. But when you can't distinguish between intent and incompetence— It's hard to diagnose.
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You just described the show perfectly. There it is. There was an inflection point here though, right? Canelo, to Amin's point, 34 years old, reigning title, all boxing belts are on some level also fake made up things that are corrupted, but holds the WBA, WBC, IBF, super middleweight titles. Legitimate superstar.
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It sounded like that hurt, though.
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And there was a moment here when I heard that fight, the Jake Paul original announcement, like boxing is this is this is again, everybody's been trying to kill boxing for decades. This felt like the latest and maybe one of the biggest indignities because Canelo was turning his back on actual fights he could have made money on. And here, of course, David, is Saudi Arabia. Saving boxing.
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I don't think he's a marketing genius either. I do think he exists in a time that reflects his natural superpower more than any other time that sports has existed in, which is just getting attention for anything is monetizable.
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I just think we need to have a higher bar for what genius is.
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I mean, my view has always been like on the Kardashians. It's like they are playing the game better than anybody else's. The question of does that make them geniuses, I think is a fair debate.
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She went to one of those business school courses that I think maybe Kevin Love went to at once.
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It's the most important and scarcest resource at this point.
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Kids today don't appreciate Sally, Jesse, Raphael. And those glasses. Those glasses.
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That's our Dan. That's our Dan.
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Thank you. Is that a find? The era of 90s daytime talk show hosts. Right.
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I was going to ask, by the way, why is Chris Cody equipped with a Pablo Picasso take? And then I just heard the explanation. Yeah.
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Yes. One of my favorite details, by the way, I mean on the 90s, the golden era of daytime talk show, right? Because keep in mind, Sally Jesse Raphael. Yes. Jerry Springer. Yes. Maury Povich. Yes. Oprah Winfrey. Keep going.
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That's a good question.
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Montel Williams?
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At the top of his game, Maury Povich. Yeah. The king. You are not the father. Former guest. I've been on an episode of Maury.
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Thank you, Miguel. Miguel needs to change his Zoom background at this point.
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Did you get a phobia episode?
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She goes to the back, they always go to the back. Following the camera that follows them. So I talked to Maury about this on the show. It's a really good episode. I'm not just plugging that because I'm here to plug my show. We talked about all of this. What he used to do as a mean is running around the studio.
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What he used to do is, I mean, he would go to the, to the lengths of making sure he pronounced every child whose paternity in question, their name correctly. He would, he was, he was a, Maury Povich, his dad, Shirley Povich, legendary sports writer, he's in the sports media coaching tree.
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Cortez had an Andy Ellsberg framed photo we revealed on the show yesterday. And Willow's here. And David is gathering his stuff.
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My favorite thing, Amin, that Maury told me was that even though he and Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer, by the way, the late, great Jerry Springer, Maury Povich still with us, still going strong. What Maury told me is that Maury Povich still checks the ratings. to see whose rerun is beating the other. He's still taking pride in beating Jerry Springer. Well, one of them is no longer with us.
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The question, though, of ratings and why we should admire our Dan... is because as Chris Hayes points out in this book as well, the easiest thing to do now, getting back to the genius conversation, is to grab attention. The hardest thing to do is hold it.
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So if you've been listening to us this week, if you listened to Dan this week, four hours a day, just know that you are paying the ultimate compliment to our Dan. You are here for the long haul. It's the whole thing. I mean, you know those guys who go to like South Korea and they cause a scene? That guy? Yes.
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Somali something. The point being, he basically yells fire in a crowded theater. Everybody looks at him and he's grabbed attention. A lot harder is to go into a theater, yell fire or take out whatever. Do whatever you can. Take off your clothes and then say, And now proceed to listen to me for the next two hours.
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So Carl, who just got Willow out of here to save David, has a take about the halftime show, which I hadn't really contemplated.
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You see that, David? It's a thing of beauty, Chris. The take Carl had, though, Jess.
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Which I, look, Carl is, I trust Carl on music.
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I had not considered that Kendrick might not play the song that everybody is waiting for him to play. That he won a Grammy over, right?
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So the Washington Post did an analysis of this. In parallel, just discovered this now, but it's helpful journalistically speaking to avoid recklessness. They interviewed a guy named Ken White, a First Amendment lawyer and criminal defense attorney. Drake, of course, has already accused Universal Music Group of defamation for promoting the song in question.
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White told the Post this, quote, I would probably tell them that there is a high risk you're going to get sued. So don't do it unless you're ready for a big, expensive litigation. Maybe that's just kind of the cost of doing business.
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It's the only case of me wanting to hear the audience sing a song, a thing I normally hate when going to a concert.
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You know what? I hadn't considered just the escalating indignity of this if this becomes a Supreme Court case. Clarence Thomas is going to decide on this shit? His wife will. If the people who control Clarence Thomas get to decide this case. Look, man, if they teach this class in law school. First Amendment? Constitutionality? If they teach Drake's 2024, 2025 as a case study in law school.
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Why does it mean waving a piece of paper in front of himself?
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It was circling a drain that you cannot possibly set your feet atop. We're on topics?
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We are operating at levels that are clearly deeper than the average listener. Kendrick levels.
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And then he changed his mind. Overnight. So it was supposed to be May 3rd in Las Vegas. That was the imminent fight between, super fight between Jake Paul and Canelo Alvarez. But in a stunning development, according to, this is Mike Coppinger at ESPN.com. Alvarez changed course and instead completed a four-fight deal, yeah, with Riyadh's season, of course, going now to Saudi Arabia.
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What a mad lib. What a perfect 2025 mad lib.
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Yeah, it's the Nancy Pelosi Wakanda Forever thing. It absolutely is.
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I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I find it hard to disagree with Wyatt's fundamental point, but I also deeply value him as an important part of the exploratory committee.
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Which is like the guy who's going to actually... The hostage in the exploratory committee? The hostage slash opposition opinionist who's going to establish that the research that we are presenting should be viewed with a healthy dose of what Wyatt, I believe, expressed as bulls**t.
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All we have are two bottles of Remy Martin and a hat. Yeah, I'll take some of this. We might need to dip into the reserves early.
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But the thing that kickstarted this whole enterprise truly is that there was this single throwaway question in a McLaughlin poll in January that went viral immediately because it gave Stephen A. Smith, why it's an act's favorite person, a 2% chance as a wild card against the field of 15 other potential candidates for the 2028 Democratic primary.
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And Stephen A. goes on Hannity and he says he had no business being on that list. He did not. And so we wanted to actually fact check this. Like, okay, that's one throwaway line in a poll. What if we committed... Actual time to try and do an exclusive Pablo Torre finds out first of its kind political poll.
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To Wyatt's point, polling as an instrument Flawed, limited, right? There's an epistemological question of like chicken or egg. Is this real because you asked about it or is this real because someone felt a way about it when you asked them about it?
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So all of that is a very useful, both qualitative and quantitative context for the fact that we commissioned a legitimate survey with Rasmussen of 1,021 likely American voters. with dozens of questions conducted over two days online and by phone. Basic demographics of the survey, 52% women, 33% Democratic, 35% Republican, 32% unaffiliated.
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And Rasmussen, Tim, you know, again, it's a public opinion firm that is a thing. It's a real thing. Rasmussen is a legitimate polling operation. Can we dive into these crosstabs?
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Chart number one. We asked a survey of 1,021 likely American voters, who would you consider a stronger Democratic candidate for president? Hillary Clinton in 2016 got 36%. Stephen A. Smith in 2028 got 34%. Not sure. Coming in strong with 30%.
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Which led to Stephen A. Smith going on first take and escalating all of this by saying this.
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The guy who went to the pool before the debate. Again, I'm with Tim on this. Chart number three. Narrowing the poll now to 654 likely Democratic primary voters. Marja Vera now up to 4%. If the 2028 Democratic primary were held today, who would you vote for? Kamala Harris coming in at 45%. Stephen A. Smith coming in at 24%. Others, 17%. Wouldn't vote, 6%. Not sure, 9%.
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And so this is a head-to-head matchup between Kamala Harris.
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Chart number four. Another head-to-head in the primary. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 32%. Stephen A. Smith, 28%. Other, 18%. Wouldn't vote, 7%. Not sure, 15%.
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This is where in the crosstabs I was like, okay, this is getting a little dark.
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I never really brought up. And so this is where I need to start today before we get into our packet of research because the question that is embedded in what Stephen A's take was there was obviously explosive. It got aggregated. There's a community note over on X and the community note said this, quote, this is incorrect.
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But AOC, just in the crosstabs of this, did have a net favorable rating from the people polled. So not simply people who are predisposed to not like the left, but moderates who actually did see value in her.
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Although in this case, 32 to 28 is right at the margin of error of 4%, which again is where my brain was like, okay, well, what about to Wyatt's point though, about a more, let's say deliberately moderate positioned candidate like Gavin Newsom, Chart five, head-to-head, Gavin Newsom, 31%. Stephen A., 28%.
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This is, I think, something like a bigger reveal. This is a head-to-head matchup for the White House. Okay, 2028 presidential election. In a legit political poll, the Rasmussen reports, Pablo Torre finds out survey more than 1,000 likely American voters with a margin of error of 3%. If the 2028 presidential election were held today, who would you vote for? J.D. Vance, 38%. Stephen A. Smith, 34%.
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And as a person who worked in politics, Tim, this result indicates what to you?
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LeBron was in attendance, according to the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and Entertainment Tonight. They all list James as among the attendees at the memorial. LeBron James requested to not be filmed at the memorial. And Stephen A. Smith, during the show, apologized on air and also on Twitter, saying that he misspoke. Can I just ask, what is even the theory?
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Stephen A. Smith.
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I believe he has been Stephen A. Smith for decades now.
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But what if that potato also loved to post? Yeah. Really loved the post. It's like arguing with people on text all the time.
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It is disturbing to be on and constantly refreshing the platform that J.D. Vance in a somewhere out there sort of scenario is also scrolling and refreshing at the same exact time. That's worrisome to me. But I think the point, the takeaway point is what if it was Trump without any of the charisma and also he wasn't funny and also he wasn't even vaguely entertaining.
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I think truly like part of the appeal of Stephen A, just to now get into why some might be at all energized. I think there is the part of it that is like we are on a desert island, like in a cartoon, and you see something and you're like, that's a steak. and it's not a steak, it's a coconut, but you're so hungry that you're like, that looks like the greatest meal I've ever had.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And there is just like that dysmorphia around who and what Stephen A is actually. And then there's the added desperation and hunger for someone to just get into a debate To own these guys. And f***ing just go after them in the way that we impotently watched the guy who went to the pool. Yeah, passed out. Go to bed instead of getting in the ring. Yeah.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And I think we just want a champion who will go into a televised debate and take some big swings.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
To quote Batman, I believe.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
This was kind of a state funeral. In the world of politics, have you ever been to a state funeral of any kind?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I do just want to express, as somebody who has worked with Stephen A. Smith and has been in sports for a very long time, it is insane how plausible... all of this conversation is. It is very disturbing to me, truly, that the people of our country, Wyatt, might want to just buy a vowel, and the vowel is A. Stephen A., winning by 28% in this head-to-head matchup with J.D.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Vance among Black voters, winning by 12% among moderates, losing by only 2% among independents. And I'll just speed through chart number seven, which is that if Stephen A were to run as an independent in a three-way matchup, now we're looking at a bit of a problem for Mr. A. Smith. J.D. Vance, Republican, 40%. Kamala Harris, Democrat, 37%. Stephen A. Smith, independent, 11%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And the head pollster at Rasmussen, Mark Mitchell, tells us that, quote, he's not a spoiler. is what we're learning from these numbers. He was taking equally from both J.D. Vance and Kamala Harris. Again, speaking to the more moderate, centrist-style candidate.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Thank you.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Yeah. Have you ever been to an A-list funeral, Wyatt? No, I just go to the after parties. Yeah. This A-list service, to be very clear, LeBron's attendance at the memorial service turned out to be a subject, according to a high-level source that is close to the Lakers. Quote, a topic that people throughout the Lakers organization, top to bottom, have been grousing about for years.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. We have paperwork in front of us. Tim Miller, Wyatt Cenac, reuniting. Not an expert panel, but almost like an exploratory committee. Yeah, an exploratory committee. That's a term of art in politics, isn't it, Tim?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
LeBron James to put us back in January of 2020, right? So the tragedy happens. And LeBron James in public, he really did take the lead on being a spokesperson. He spoke up at a team meeting reportedly saying, quote, God gave me wide shoulders for a reason. He got a tattoo of Kobe Bryant, the Mamba, posted on Instagram.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Thank you.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And then before the Lakers' first home game after the crash, he tossed his notes aside and gave a speech at center court.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and . And he wrote back in an email, as this is Want, quote, I need to reconsider my life if I only beat Stephen A by 2%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
At the end of every episode of Pobletory Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out and also torturing Wyatt Cenac and making him question his friendship with me. What did we find out today, guys?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Yeah, yeah. Wyatt, what did you find out today?
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What I really found out today is that Wyatt Cenac is the new campaign manager for Other Not Sure. Other Not Sure 2028. Put it on a t-shirt. Thank you both for doing this. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And then he even dunked like Kobe Bryant, and he equated the dunk to the Marlon Wayans classic, The Sixth Man, by saying, quote, And he even referenced the upcoming memorial himself. And so what I wanted to do was just take a fact-based approach to this question, Tim and Wyatt.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And so what we did here, if Pablo Torre finds out, was talk to eight sources who are directly familiar with this situation to get to the bottom of a mystery that has been hiding, allegedly, in plain sight. I'm fascinated. I'm waiting with bated breath to see what's the result.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
So... This memorial service, it was Lakers executives, the producers of the Grammy Awards. It was Vanessa Bryant, Kobe's widow, Gigi's mother, all of these people in this planning group creating a live, televised memorial at Staples Center in the arena itself.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
That was intended, again, to be both very personal, but also incomparable in how A-list and exclusive and produced the whole spectacle was going to be. It was February 24th, 2020. which happens to have been the day my daughter was born. So Violet came into the world. I missed all of this. You didn't have the memorial on in the hospital? Second screen.
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Yeah, it was the view of my wife's birth canal and then Michael Jordan crying. Yeah, that would have been good Instagram content. And I'm just investigating these claims to be very, very clear on a purely factual basis. Like, I'm not here to talk about motives.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But claim number one, there's a video of Diana Taurasi, who spoke at the memorial, UConn basketball star, one of the great women's basketball players ever. And she told a joke while complimenting 11-year-old Gigi Bryant and her level of skill. And it sounded like this.
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Is this a roast? Which is a pretty good joke. A pretty bold joke from Taurasi, from the goat. And she does, by the way, gesture off-screen left. But what we did, of course, was look at multiple angles of the broadcast of that very direction at various points in the broadcast. And... No LeBron James. You see Pau Gasol. James Worthy. James Worthy, that's right. James Worthy, your source. Kuz.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Kuz is not what I'm saying. Kuz is out there. Kuz is wearing the big sunglasses. Oh, wow. Is he also wearing those super long sleeves? I like to think that his black tie was super long sleeves as well.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
No visible LeBron at all in the photography. And then what I did was confirm with multiple sources that Diana Taurasi never saw LeBron James at the memorial that day. So she, this person held up as the proof, did not see LeBron that day. So claim number two. And LeBron James was there, but he chose to be left off camera.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And what we did was we talked to a lead producer on the memorial, a longtime award show producer named Ron Basile. Ron Basile helped coordinate everything from Beyonce's 6.40 a.m. soundcheck to Michael Jordan's eulogy. And the producer told us when we asked him about any directive from LeBron James about having him on camera, quote, The off-camera thing is bullsh**. End quote.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And so I want to be careful here, but he wasn't stage left. He wasn't off-camera. And we can further tell you that according to two additional independent high-level sources involved in the planning of this whole event who were in attendance, what they tell us here, Pablo Torre finds out, is that they did not see LeBron in the building.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
They don't know of a single person who did see him in the building. And one of the people who did not see LeBron at all that day was, in fact, Lakers owner Jeannie Buss. So, as one of the sources who spent that morning in the event's VIP areas says of LeBron, quote, "'There's no f***ing way he was there. If he was there, he was Casper the Ghost.'" End quote.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
My personal belief, by the way, is that I don't care how anyone chooses to grieve at all. But LeBron James, the face of the Lakers who got the tattoo, gave the speech at center court, threw away his notes, was the face of mourning for this person. What LeBron did not do was what LeBron himself had chosen to do in the weeks before. LeBron did not take center stage at all.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And multiple high-level sources told us that LeBron was not invited to speak at Kobe's memorial. We had a third source involved in the planning of this. Go back to an early wish list of speakers and performers. This was shared between the Lakers, Vanessa Bryant, event producers. And as this third source puts it, quote, he's not on the list. Vanessa's on all these emails. It wasn't just the Lakers.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And Wyatt, I do want to just establish the following question. Have you been following this feud between Stephen A. Smith and LeBron James?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
It was a family thing. There was a lot of emotion. The word LeBron isn't even in here. We did reach out to LeBron's camp and they did not comment, which is totally fair. They also wanted to make clear that they're not talking about anything that has to do with Stephen A. Smith. But LeBron's agent, Rich Paul, told Stephen A. Smith himself at the time that LeBron was, quote, in his own space.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
a very carefully worded answer for was LeBron at the memorial service. And LeBron was asked for comment at Lakers practice by ESPN's David Meneman the day after the memorial. And LeBron's answer is conveniently on tape.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
So in that answer, you heard what?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
That's where it was left for roughly five years until I realized that this would be a thing that no one had actually followed up on satisfactorily. And by the way, what I want to make very clear is that I don't think that LeBron was obligated to do anything. There is stuff under the surface here that I can't...
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Is that right?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
It is. It's genuine. It is Kremlinology. It is. What are people not saying but clearly feeling? What are the power dynamics and incentives at play? And why won't Tim Miller f***ing return my calls?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
All of which is to say that when I'm trying to get the answer to that question, we were also conducting a legitimate political poll about whether one of the people involved in this would be a legitimate candidate for president of the United States.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
These packets in front of us are the results of a truly exhaustive attempt relative to the just pure speculation that is surrounded whether Stephen A. Smith is actually going to do the thing that he's been talking about for months now and actually run for president. No.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Welcome to the exploratory committee, Wyatt Zanac. You didn't know you were joining it, but you are absolutely part of it. No, but that's also bullshit.