Pablo Torre
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
And who has access? And so the question is like, look, is that I don't know. So one of the one of the I'll confess to you a bit about how my reporting process goes, because I get this video, the ring camera video. And I'm like, I don't have a good way of like nailing down geographically, like whose house this even is, even if it's been identified. by various tabloids as Jordan Hudson's house.
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And I don't want to take that for fact. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy, Rainbolt, who's the geocaster guy.
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And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery. Like, where was this camera? Who had access to it? And again, the nightmare for me, purely hypothetically, is she's got some friends
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
Again, like if your friend was dating Bill Belichick and you didn't know how serious it was, do you think you would maybe get some images or videos sent to you privately of Bill Belichick? That would be the question that I think any decent son, daughter, nephew, niece would ask about their 70 year old relatives.
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Totally. No idea.
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Yeah.
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
June 1st is the date that I think is the first sort of crossroads, right? And so Belichick, as we speak here, having just said... Off to the side, personal relationship. She's not in any way associated with UNC football. De facto sort of confirming that the side of the power struggle that has said we need her to be in the background for PR reasons, if nothing else, that side seems to be winning.
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And so the June 1st date, which was always about this, by the way, it was weird before all of this, right? The buyout clause going from $10 million to 10 times less than that. Like, why would that be? Well, presumably it was because Bill wanted an out clause for the NFL. Now it seems like that is an out clause in case he wasn't really in charge in the way that he demanded to be in charge.
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And so him publicly going along with this now and saying, listening to everybody in his life seemingly but Jordan Hudson and saying, okay, she's not involved. That means that June 1st, if we're reading the tea leaves here, is less of a red button being pressed, sort of like this is all going to fall apart immediately. But looking ahead to the summer, right?
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Like you guys know how college football works. They're getting out. They're getting out of town, right? It's the summer. Like no one's really around the building. Like recruiting sure is still going on. But the whole question is, while everybody is off minding their own devices, literal and figurative in the case of Jordan Hudson and our theories, is anything else going to happen?
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that would demand some other bit of public crisis management? If the answer is no, I think that week one, him being the coach there, totally makes sense. But just historically speaking, in a very short amount of time, really this statement from Belichick at the ACC meetings in which he said, off to the side, personal, not involved with UNC in any way, is the first time he's really said that.
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And so if that is the mode, I think this is a lot calmer, but it's also the first time we've heard it. And I've seen a lot of the pendulum swinging towards a lot of people being panicked behind the scenes.
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Yeah, right. Yeah. The ideal gas law. They want to talk about the ideal.
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Does Max have a question?
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
I have requested comment from North Carolina. No response. I've requested, I mean, 40 different FOIAs, which got annoying. So I apologize actually to Carolina on that. It got to be just a bit. Um, they replied to none of them. Uh, I emailed Jordan Hudson at an address, her email that I got that I know is hers. Um, no response. Uh, the Belichick camp, obviously, uh, him personally, no response.
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Um, if this is our long way of saying, uh,
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Oh, my God. If she does, I promise to tell the GeoGuessr Rainbolt guy to stop looking for that house.
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
By the way, so we think that guy is just like on the up and up, right? Because I've also been like, I don't know how this works. I just have no evidence that this is-
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Yeah.
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hone in like whether it be architecture trees the sun all this stuff yeah types of grass yeah you can study cement yeah and figure it out that way yeah it's the indoor stuff sometimes he's like he's like a mall and he's like oh this mall is in nairobi and i'm like yeah how how does how does Photographic memory.
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Yeah. I guess for journalismistic reasons, I cannot actually answer that question. Okay.
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Yeah. My response to that would be to immediately go and buy a bottle of Plavac Molly 2012.
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
yeah i mean look uh so lovely so perfect so summery so red so strawberry so refreshing so lightly acidic so watermelon so strawberry so lovely so enjoy it five stars so enjoy it when we get back i love the strawberry that's what i really want it i got i got uh one more question for you just something you know out of curiosity i don't know if you came across any of this while you were interviewing people do any details about their love life
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
Um, look, I don't have journalistic. I don't have, uh, those specific details. What I can tell you though, is that when it comes to how Jordan Hudson's sort of, and again, not yucking any yums, like her point of view on, on, on the spectrum of human love, I think is probably maybe helpfully, uh, expressed by, uh,
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A certain museum and shop that her mom, Lee Hudson, operates as the business manager in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And I don't really know how it is that this keeps happening. But this is an episode that also contains a detail around a 20. Now, just want to get the math right. A twenty eight thousand year old dildo. in that museum.
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And I keep on having to be the guy to say, I don't have the answers to that, but I can point you in a direction where it would suggest that there's a great spectrum of possibility in terms of the answer.
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We're very dumb. I what I would ask you guys is the next time you are accidentally invited backstage into what might be a journalistically explosive room, just text me and I'll be like, hey, maybe you guys should stay. Yeah. Your ombudsman maybe. Yeah. Wanted because now I I'm mad that we don't actually have the answer to that question.
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Yeah.
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
I once talked to David Falk, Michael Jordan's, of course, former super agent about, cause he was also Ewing's agent. And I asked him about the whole like frozen envelope theory and the Michael Jordan retirement because of gambling stuff. And what David Falk told me was number one, the Jordan stuff is total bullshit. That doesn't make any sense.
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But number two, the frozen envelope thing, he was like, Yeah, that makes sense.
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Yeah, I think we should collaborate on an investigation.
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Well, we could do, I mean, look, far be it from me to overstep my bounds as a first-time guest, but long-time AWL, if I may call myself that, which is a really unilateral decision. I'm just saying I've always been interested in the lost footage around Barstool Van Talk. And I may or may not know a guy who may or may not have been involved in that backstage decision.
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And I may or may not be somebody who actually wants to see that happen. Just saying that episode two is another bit of a piece of footage that maybe there's something there.
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John Skipper didn't turn the camera on for that one.
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I hesitate to imagine what my life is going to be like in general going forward. So anytime. Yeah.
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Crying Jordan is a meme that's available for someone to... Not for our queen.
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And now for something completely different.
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Yeah, it's been less than two years. I believe I have the credibility to quote Hank as a full journalismist. So it's really good.
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I feel like you guys, you guys are empowered to do that. I miss it. I miss the feeling when I listen to you guys. I'm like, oh, that felt it always felt good to just read it the way that it's spelled. But when you when you interview 11 separate fucking people about someone, it's like I should probably just call her the way that she wants to be called. Yeah. All right.
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Yeah, I strongly disagree with Joshua L. Zuckerman, her former boyfriend of some 60 years, sort of an age. When he calls, hold on, let me just get the review that I mostly disagreed with.
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And this wasn't in the episode, but when he called a Plavac Mali 2012, quote, so lovely, so perfect, so summery, so red, so strawberry, so refreshing, so lightly acidic, so watermelon, so strawberry, so lovely, so enjoy it. I felt that was a little bit, that was like a, that was a little much. That's not a five star review.
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
Yeah. So my show, the premise is explicitly we take stupid things seriously and also serious things stupidly. And in this case, it started when we saw the Super Bowl commercial. And for those who are familiar with Jordan's internet presence, you're like, oh, my God, she's in it. The girlfriend is in the ad.
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And I started making calls around why it is that she was in that Super Bowl ad, you know, the height of American success and commercialism. And it turned out that she had appointed herself Bill Belichick's agent and was the one negotiating with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. And at that point, it was like, this is a stupid thing we can take seriously.
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But what I underestimated is the degree to which it was also like a story about real power dynamics with the highest paid employee, public employee in the state of North Carolina. And so really that episode, which we did in February of this year, ended up being this lighthouse episode.
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where a lot of people behind the scenes were like, oh, my God, someone's finally noticing what our lives have been like behind the scenes. As Bill Belichick launched, I think like a half dozen media properties simultaneously out of the same New Jersey studio where they do the NFL film stuff. And so it all was kind of weirdly coalescing in a very defined way.
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And that's when I said I should probably just start making every call that I can.
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I am actively working on acquiring confirmation around whether I can get that video that may or may not exist. Um, that's a lot of clauses to sort of protect what I don't know. Just know that this is, this is one of the, look, I have Holy grails in my life.
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Um, when it comes to videos, one of them was published on the show, uh, last year, it was the next recruiting video for LeBron that had, uh, the last scene that James Gandolfini ever did as Tony Soprano in it. And also, uh, you know, Jim Dolan's list of super friends, all recruiting LeBron and the secret video. We got that video. Um, this one, uh, I am actively working on still.
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Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks
I can tell you, though, that when it came to how that scene unfolded, I mean, just imagine, just imagine Bill Belichick showing up. He is this guy. This is, by the way, a lot of like New England fans on that set. Right. So this is people who look up to Bill Belichick and they have to figure out like. Is Bill OK with what's happening?
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And Bill Belichick, I'm told, just like had no change in his face as his girlfriend showed up unilaterally deciding, I'm wearing a yellow polka dot bikini now and it's time for us to shoot a scene. And it was just like, OK, we got to make this happen somehow. And I am tracking down the people who may actually have the answer to my questions.
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Yeah, I was really worried at first that I was going to be beaten on the story that I was very early on. But what ended up happening actually was that people felt like we were at a last straw kind of a moment. So a lot of the stuff with Carolina, frankly, the timeline of this, that stuff changed when it came to the administration and the higher ups at the university because of CBS.
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Look, a lot of the conversation behind the scenes has always been who's going to tell Bill, right? Who's going to tell Bill that this is a problem? And the CBS thing was the number one example to date of just it being forced into a public forum in which every tabloid was demanding answers.
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And also CBS itself was saying, hey, this statement that was released about the agreement that Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick and CBS had, that's a lie. That's not true. And that is something that I reported as soon as it was happening. And I can confirm, yes, there was no agreement, all that stuff.
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But that was the it was really the tipping point that actually unlocked a lot of sourcing on this, which was good for me as much as I feared it at first.
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Yeah. No, I've I've I've confirmed that there's like 30 minutes of video. It's a lot of her giving hand signals, you know, again, Spygate style. One might even say that hand signals that there are people who are on set at CBS who are really irritated, actually, that they haven't released it yet, because this is again, you guys, our instincts are the same here. Like everyone would love to see that.
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But the the. The comedy of like what that was is that this was CBS Sunday morning. Right. So like they're like, we don't we don't want to do that. They didn't want to do any of this. They handled this even even the expose around like here is Jordan Hudson behind the scenes in the way that she didn't realize she was on camera. That was handled so classily.
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That it just sort of indicates that they don't actually want to pick a fight about this. It's just that they were driven to the point where they couldn't do any of the other stuff that they wanted to do. Like what I was told about that day was and I don't think I've said this elsewhere, but like Belichick shows up late because he's on the phone. It's a recruiting thing.
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And so there's a bit of a sort of like a mess as they show up. It's his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland. The whole thing was that was the Navy sweaters, by the way, like she says to people that she picks his clothes out for him, by the way. And so they have these Navy sweaters. His is full of holes.
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People have asked me, have you heard whether those holes are like, you know, if that's stolen valor, like the game wornness of it? Is that real? Did she take a car, run it over a bunch of times? That was asked to me. And I was like, I don't know the answer to that question.
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But the thing about what happened was they never got to the part where they like actually say, and we're at the high school where Bill Belichick was. And they do the walk and talk, you know, the walk and talk.
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They never got to do the walk and talk because the thing exploded because Because of this question that, again, as everyone now has has seen, I think the acknowledgments of the book, like one of the first people he thanks is his idea mill and creative muse, who I am told separately, did in fact come up with the idea for the book. And so when they asked the question, how did you guys meet?
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The idea that this happened in that way is so flabbergasting to everybody that they had no choice but to acknowledge it in the thing they put on air.
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Yeah. The two theories, the two clubhouse leaders. And we don't look in fairness to Jordan Hudson. Right. Like I emailed her. She did not respond. I don't know.
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her point of view on these things all i can do is report as exhaustively as i can around this stuff but there are two clubhouse leading theories one is the one that i also yeah i i believe is quite real is that she has this understanding of exclusivity where if she says something in one interview she can't then sell it to a different outlet for a reality show for instance so another subplot of the cbs thing that i was told by the way that the whole thing they wanted to do at first the original idea for it was not annapolis maryland it was north carolina
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And it makes sense. Of course, everybody would. That's like good press. But Jordan was the one or at least she had a very controlling interest in saying we can't do North Carolina because we're doing that for something else. And maybe that was going to be hard knocks. Maybe that was going to be the other thing. But that was not the whole high school thing was supposed to be North Carolina.
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And she was instrumental in saying we're not doing North Carolina. And so the next theory, just on top of that, and I don't think I'm realizing how much I've spent. I just I didn't have enough time in the episode for all of this stuff. So my memory is being jogged now. But the other thing is that she didn't want to acknowledge her actual age at the time that they met.
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And this was something that we pieced together because we pulled and this is one of the creepiest things I'll ever say. We pulled Miss Maine footage from last year and we were like, she says, Jordan Hudson, Hancock, 22. And that pageant was in March. Right? So last year, March 2024, she's 22. February 2021, logically, she would be 19 years old. Okay.
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I fully agree. My whole thing here is not like, man, now we've crossed a line. Right. Bill Belichick's yums, I am not here to yuck any of them. Whatever you want, dude. It's not my issue. What I'm doing, though, is trying to figure out a consistency of how she presents and tells the truth or not around who she is and what she's up to.
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And when it's coupled, all of that is coupled with this thing that I reported about how there is this staff directory, basically, that was passed around, the UNC wives and girlfriends of the coaches, in which she put her age as April...
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2000 instead of April, 2001, again, the exercise here, and this is, it's just, it's stupid the degree to which we got into detail on this, but look at your keyboard. look how far apart the zero and the one are. Yeah. It's just hard to accidentally mistype your own birth date when the difference is zero, zero or zero one.
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And so people are saying combined with Instagram sleuthing, and by the way, his health checks family is, is in, again, in a parallel way, looking at all of this stuff, even more deeply than me, you can imagine. And they're saying to themselves, well, hold on, there are these Instagram posts that used to have explicit like birthday details that have been edited out of posts. That's what I was told.
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I'm not, I haven't gone through, I don't have the before and after on that. I just know that people have been noticing that she has been cleaning up what age she says she is.
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What I can tell you is that when he filmed things at NFL Films, Mount Laurel, New Jersey, that big headquarters, like the only media companies ever trusted because he's a football guy in the utmost way, in a real way. NFL Films was his thing. The president of NFL Films, by the way, that dude started as as a guy who was with the Owen Patriots, like doing the behind the scenes footage.
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So like he's had a deep trust there. What I can tell you is that when it came to when he was filming stuff, those shows inside the NFL, the underdog show, the McAfee stuff, the Peyton stuff, it was all out of this one set. And the people on those shows, dozens of people all say that she was around all of the time.
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So literally, I don't think she was behind the camera, but physically, I think she might have been somewhere behind the camera. It was just all happening at the same time over last summer, that off season. And she was there always.
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Yes. Yes. This is my whole thing about the ban. This is like the weird nature of this story is that the CBS thing opened the floodgates, as you guys detected. And what happened since is this power struggle behind the scenes from the very top of the university telling the football program in a meeting, she can't be around anymore. We don't want her around anymore. She won't be around anymore.
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And that message got out around the program. And simultaneous to that has been the hiring of a PR guy who is very notably very different from Jordan Hudson. Guy who used to work for the Bears, actually. Guy who used to, who's like a legit, just like normal.
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Totally normal, like competent guy who I presume, I haven't spoken to him, Brandon Faber, right?
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Yeah. And I think one of the ways you can be good at your job is to just remember that, like, oh, wait a minute. Bill Belichick loves football. And the more he talks about football and the less that he has to talk about Jordan Hudson, the better. And so everybody behind the scenes has. And this is from his family to his inner circle. Right.
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So Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Mike Lombardi, those guys who did nothing, by the way, to stop Jordan Hudson from basically running the show behind the scenes. Everybody is now finally like, oh, my God, we have our opening. To finally make sure that the thing that she was, which is CC'd on every single email at Carolina by Belichick's request.
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That's what the FOIA records were by the New York Times and The Athletic, which they did scoop me on. And I am still irritated that I didn't get those emails. But that stuff, they're undoing that piece by piece. And Belichick saying she's off to the side. That's a personal relationship. Right.
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That is very different from the statement after the CBS thing in which, of course, Jordan and Bill released a statement saying we have a personal and professional relationship. And the U.N. part has always been. Wait a minute. Does this mean Belichick Productions or does this mean Carolina football?
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Because Carolina football is the place where everybody's terrified that this is undoing the whole the whole notion of hiring Bill Belichick in the first place.
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Yes, it's the equivalent of like one day, you know, the the hopefully future ex-girlfriend of your best friend. She sends a text and you're like, I think we have our way in to start the conversation that all of us have been afraid to talk about. Like instead of one text, it's been a series. of public interviews and behind the scenes masters that have followed her.
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And again, the whole thing about why is she so bad? I want to make clear. I don't think she's like a super villain. I don't think any of that. I just think she's a deeply ambitious young person that weirdly like the parallel, the most generous parallel I can give her is that it's as if your friends started dating like Mark Zuckerberg one day.
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And and that guy just thought he knew how to do everything. And the unintended consequences of what he was building ended up costing a lot of people their sanity. And I think that there is just a there's an ambition here without a knowledge of how the industries she's trying to take over works. And that that has been something that people have been repeatedly saying.
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It is weird for me to feel checkmated on wokeness by you guys, but I do feel checkmated on that.
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Yeah. It's a really good question. Good question. This is a truly good question. The reason why it's relevant to me is because I have been thinking about how to confirm just the timeline of when they started dating. And so... You know, when Big Cat is asking, like, isn't this kind of like you have a friend who has this significant other that you don't like and are afraid to say so?
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The other parallel question I have from real life is like, when did Bill Belichick DTR? Like, how do you how does one define the relationship with Bill Belichick? Because what I can tell you is that people started seeing Jordan Hudson in Bill Belichick's. So there are these outdoor seats he has not in a box, but in Gillette, like out in the end zone.
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I think it's Section 120, although not reporting that. I'm just that's what I've been told. Section 120 ish. And in November 2021, Jordan Hudson was sitting there. And so, again, but is that is that is that having DTR? Is that just like, oh, a guest, a friend? Like, right. Are they friends with any degree of whatever? Like, I don't know, but I just know that it happened very soon after.
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Actually, they met on that plane in February 2021 in terms of her showing up around the Patriots, actually. So this is definitely during his NFL tenure in a quite noticeable way.
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Greatest lighthouse ever.
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She does love a nautical theme. Not reporting that. He does love fishermen and stuff, so I'm just saying. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I think I might be the person who inspired the sort of like dominoes of aggregation that got to you guys on the family being worried about this video. So the video, I think for most people got, got to be a thing because of the Tom Brady roast.
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So the Netflix roast, Tom Brady makes a joke around how his favorite ring is actually, uh, the ring camera video, Belichick like shirtless, uh, wandering around on a porch somewhere in presumably Massachusetts. The pieces then were reported, I think, by the Daily Mail or something. It's hard to keep track, but like it was identified as like this is outside of Jordan Hudson's home.
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It's important to realize, though, that the video first got released on the Internet in twenty twenty three. So this was way before even I was really aware of the story or tracking it.
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Well, then the question I have for you guys is, you know, logically speaking, how would one get that video?
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The worries that have been expressed on the Belichick family side, I think should be a little more specific here, because just imagine forget about the parallel. It's like you and your friend who's like roughly your age dating some woman who is just a nightmare in some ambiguous fashion. Think about if now it's your dad.
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And he's almost 70 and he's hanging around with some people who love being online, who are in their mid, really early 20s. And there's this video that shows up in which your dad is shirtless. Like the first question I have is not, wow, that's that's how did that I mean, really, it's not even how did that get out there? It's what other videos are there? Right.
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I'm peeing on all the trees, Tim, that you thought were just your urine. Guess what? I'm on there too. European owner now.
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Yeah, happy to, because I've been following this story for years and it's crazy and we're numb to it, which is a good opportunity to remind people, hey, don't be numb to this. So the PGA Tour had a monopoly effectively on golf. And this is not to say that they were praiseworthy in any way, right?
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Like golf as an institution, lots of old and ancient and yeah, flawed rituals around all sorts of demographic groups. That's not why I'm talking to you about the PGA Tour, however.
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Yes, yes. The same club, Augusta, that also had Condoleezza Rice as its first member of her demographic also was making jokes about fried chicken and watermelon at Tiger Woods. An August institution unlike any other, truly. But the reason PGA and its enterprise is relevant here is because they were disrupted, let's call it, let's use that term of art,
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by Saudi Arabia, by the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and their private investment fund. So the Saudi Royal Wealth Fund came along and said, hey, you know what we're interested in? Stealing golf from America in order to make ourselves look better to Americans. And I frame it that way deliberately because on its face, it doesn't seem like it should be successful.
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But as a very wise person once told me once, the answer to all your questions is money. And so what they did was they said, hey, we happen to have a desire to launder our reputation. We happen to be the kingdom that you may know from episodes like the bone sawing of journalists, Jamal Khashoggi being one example in that genre. You may remember us from our treatment of gay people.
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We have executed them previously. You may remember us, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, from our generally abysmal human rights record.
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And we shouldn't just yada, yada, yada over the laundry list here. Truly, the laundry list they're trying to sports wash and launder. Because, by the way, also in that catalog is 9-11. Right. 15 of the 19 hijackers. And that'll come back as I proceed deeper into this. But the point being, they said, hey, golfers, we're going to create a rival tour to compete with the PGA. And you take our money.
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You become employees of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And we're going to basically prove to all of America we're warm and cuddly. We're warm and fuzzy, you might even say, and come around to seeing our new modern way of life. And what happened was all these golfers took the money. And so there was this big fracturing between the PGA and live, which is what they called their culture.
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rival tour, the live golf tour, which is spoiler alert, not going to wind up being a good product, but will be successful in drawing big names from the PGA. And so anyway, there was this fracturing, there was this seemingly blood feud between the PGA and live. But over time, what happens is Donald Trump, I mean, we want to get to the Trump part here, because I think it's probably instructive.
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Well, yeah, and I just want to add one more thing, too, because you just reminded me, right? 2022, this is all going down, and Phil Mickelson has an interview with the author Alan Shipnuck for a book he's working on, and Phil Mickelson gives away the game, okay? So we'll set the stage for the moral high ground here by quoting Phil Mickelson. He said, yes, the Saudi kingdom killed Khashoggi.
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Yes, they do all these things to gay people. Yes, they have a horrific human rights record. This is essentially a paraphrase. You can go look it up. But... What we have here is an opportunity to disrupt the business of the PGA. And therefore, I, Phil Mickelson, I am taking the money. Right? So he says it. He says it. He says it all. They know it.
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And what happens is 2022, you may also recall, was after 2021. And on January 6th of 2021, what happens is after the insurrection on the Capitol, a lot of the PGA tour stops, they say, we can't do the Trump thing. We can't have events at Trump courses in Scotland, in America. And so Trump temporarily is out. And so the PGA to him now is the disloyal party.
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And so what comes around in 2022 is it's ahead of September 11th, the anniversary. And there are families, 9-11 families protesting at Bedminster in New Jersey at Trump National, his golf course, ahead of a live golf tournament happening at Bedminster with Donald Trump as the business partner hosting the event.
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And so you have these families saying all the things about, wait a minute, what happened to never forgetting? What happened to what the Saudi Arabians did to literally Americans in one of the worst, if not the worst modern atrocity that everybody agreed to care about forever? Spoiler alert again, nobody really listened to them.
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Yes. So America first. Now, fast forward into the future. Donald Trump has been foreshadowing for two years complaining about the PGA welcoming business from live and Saudi Arabia. He's been saying a merger is inevitable. Anybody who is fighting live is going to lose. You might as well.
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Allow me now, Donald Trump, this week to basically moderate a detente, a business merger in which, again, unsurprisingly, Donald Trump becomes a major winner because, yes, now his business at his golf courses, the things he loves the most, they will get to profit in ways that are just very clearly corrupt, given that he's, you know, the president.
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I do want to just phrase this in terms that I think are pretty undeniable. It's really an amazing trick that Trump is pulling where he gets to bathe in nationalism while being the direct business partner. To Saudi Arabia. Like, Tim, I'm trying to track what bigotries we want and which ones we don't. I'm trying to track when foreignness is supposed to feel foreign and not like one of us.
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And it seems like the only through line is literally, are you giving Donald Trump money?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit of a fine print we're missing is that when we say America first, we really mean Trump and his associated golf courses and meme coins.
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I know. Let's just cut to the chase here.
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The Saudi Arabia thing, though, just to like, what's frustrating to me is that, look, I understand that we're all playing hypocrisy detective, right? And sort of the big win of the MAGA party has been to say, but you do this. We're bad, but you do bad stuff too.
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What we're dealing with, with the Saudi Arabia stuff and so many of the other things that you're outlining in terms of corruption is a reminder that not all corruption is created equal. Right. Right.
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And in fact, when it comes to dealing with Saudi Arabia, again, if you're to pick 9-11 as this thing that we all said was a pretty good standard for when America coalesced around really what felt like let's value our own country instead of the people that fund terrorism, you would say that Saudi Arabia, okay, that's probably beyond the pale. But we've been testing.
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And again, in sports, by the way, this is not just a Trump story. This is a sports story in which everybody, unfortunately, is thirsting for their money. It's a really interesting thing. So basically, in sports...
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By the way, as I always like to say, the lone monocultural institution we seem to have left, these American institutions, everybody is putting a toe in the water of, okay, you say the cable bundle is being disrupted, which means that our billions of dollars in revenue as scheduled are going to be eroding or changing. Well, we need to find a new backer.
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And there is Saudi Arabia themselves thinking we got to switch over from oil at some point to something else, maybe tourism, maybe entertainment. And they're saying if we can use sports to cover up atrocities that we have committed, then maybe that's our future. And so there's this just meeting of desperate interests. And it's a marriage made in hell.
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And sports is quietly, across the board, they are quietly meeting and deciding, let's get some of that money in because we don't want to be left out.
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That's a particularly, you know, Tim, I can always count on you to make it even more staggeringly dystopian, but you're right. Like when we joke about the fine print, they're not even bothering to hide it in the small cereal box spot. We're seeing it in the newspaper. Like this is unsubtle, right? Like MBS is, Yes, you're all room. I on his head of sports. I mean, truly, again, I come from sports.
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I've been monitoring this story and I'm like, OK, cool. Live is back in the news. All right. I'm familiar with that. What's happening? Oh, Russia and the US are meeting in Saudi Arabia. Like all all of the streams are crossing. Like, what the fuck is this?
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Yeah. I mean, so first and foremost, like on my show, Pablo Torre finds out as aforementioned, like my entire mission there is to make sure I melt cheese on the broccoli, right? Like you're going to get nutrition.
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We will, we will chocolate some MSG, some Molly. Yeah. We'll microdose some LSD. We'll do that too. Whatever you need to make this feel like you're enjoying yourself, we'll do it. But I mean that seriously, right? This stuff shouldn't just be scolding.
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It should also be truly like a realization that there is great comedy, albeit a dark comedy, in the absurdity of what we're seeing, which is a parallel to politics. So how is sports... A parallel to politics here. Well, what's happening is that a sacred institution that you loved growing up has been sold piece by piece to truly the modern equivalent of the Axis powers.
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It's the bad guys in the most on the nose movie you've ever seen. And the question is, as it is to the voter, are you having a better time? consuming the product that's being sold piece by piece to the bad guys. And Live Golf, what I will confidently say, is that no one really likes that shit. It's not better now than it used to be.
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It is being inshittified. And so even if, by the way, we led with some acknowledgement as we do as liberal cucks towards the idea that, by the way, the PGA, Augusta, they have some issues, not trying to enshrine them. The point is what you're getting as a result of the inshittification of everything due to outright unprecedented corruption is not good for the normal person.
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It's not good for the fan. It's not good for sports. And by the way, like the other thing that's funny to me, the comedy in this, Tim, was watching all of this happen as the Super Bowl just sort of like turned over to me. OK, what did the Super Bowl reveal? Lots of things. But one of them was that Donald Trump doesn't know ball. Tommy Tuberville, literally a football coach, does not know ball.
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He's they're both making shit up about Patrick Mahomes. Right. In a way, that should signal to you these people are not who they claim they are. They're using sports as if they are the bros and we're the cucks. And in reality, they're revealing at every turn that they don't actually know what they're talking about.
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And that part is just fundamentally, I'm just like, look, you can get me on the moral level. Maybe you disagree with my philosophies, sure.
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But if you're telling me that those people are convincing you that they're actually diehard familiar with the shit you care about, we just aren't going to be able to agree on anything because they're revealing all the time that they're lying to you for their benefit and they're using you for, spoiler alert, their benefit.
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It's, yes. Yes. If I can give you the people who we should, I mean, again, Tim, I'm from New York, right? And so there's a parallel here to just like the New York thing. Because 9-11, I am somebody who has found a way to truly like not have that be the thing I want to club people over the head with every day. But when it just comes to like the most cinematic version of patriotism, I'm like,
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Really? We're going to let those guys who did this help that guy who's doing this to us? Pick whatever movie that you love growing up. Pick fucking Rocky. Guess who we're on the side of now? Yvonne Drago. Come on, man. I grew up with a sense of who the villains are. I'm not even asking you to otherize anything. I'm just saying use the same shit that you grew up watching.
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Now just think of the world through that lens. What do you see?
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Yeah. Instead of fucking Con Air, by the way, which is what this movie feels like now.
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Yeah, I want to like the NIT as a TV show. And I think the NIT has a brand problem. I think Greg, like arguing with America, America embodied by Greg, is a tough task. Because, yeah, how is it framed? If you're not one of the 68 best teams, then you're doing this other thing. And so the question is, how does the NIT revitalize itself? How would you retell the story of what it is?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
And I think you've got to lean all the way in the other direction, right? Can't you like premise this on, look, Rick Pitino, The man that I think about in these times is somebody who I want to see on a sideline wearing an all white suit, being mad at everything and possibly having Trump operatives carry out legal grievances to reporters quietly. Just random note, no context there.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Der Punkt ist aber, warum kann er das nicht in einem Realität-Show-Style machen, in dem er etwas wie eine Advertisemöglichkeit bekommt? Warum versucht die NIT nicht, wie das NCAA-Tournament, aber schlechter zu sein? Kann es nicht etwas anderes sein? Können wir es wiederherstellen? Können wir diese Geschichte etwas anders erzählen, damit es die Zuschauer interessiert? Das ist die Möglichkeit hier.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Amerika will Live-Kollege-Basketball sehen. And so here's this other tournament. Why aren't they wanting to do it? How would you guys save it? I think that's the question in front of us.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Listening to Greg Wies has given me a solution to save the NIT. You're welcome. Okay, tell me you wouldn't watch the NIT if every team had to have its head coach play on the floor with them.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
You want Rick Pitino out there? Yeah, I'd watch. I'm telling you, Dan, hey, there's a game on right now. It's St. John's versus whoever the f*** else. And guess who's playing point guard? Rick Pitino, age 66. You're not watching that immediately?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Can I get Greg's poetry power rankings, his final four of poetry forms? Because there are other kinds and Greg has clearly just seized upon the haiku.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Es fühlt sich an wie die Unterwelt, die mit dir kommunizieren.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Ja, so all of sports media these days is a debate tournament. Everybody thinks they're the best. Nick Wright, my arch nemesis now, thinks he's the best. Even Will Kane, all these people. Today's guest on Pablo Torre finds out is the actual best debater in sports. And he just happens to be the guy who's also taking down the NCAA. And so that is the guest. That is the story.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
That is the man that you should hear from, even though he looks down upon all the gas bags to think, you know, they're better than he is. The master debater. He's actually the best.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
Und ich kann sagen, dass sie den Eindruck gelegt haben, um sicherzustellen, speziell in unserem Fall mit Männern, dass wir sich komfortabel fühlen würden. Ehrlich gesagt, hat Tommy John das Spiel für mich verändert. Ich weiß, es wird ein guter Tag sein, wenn ich aus der Tür rauskomme und Tommy John aufhören kann. No distractions, no adjusting, just all day confidence.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Local Hour: Larrañaga With The Dunk
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I've been hearing more about Amici and his fault, so I'm going to... You mark that for a future follow-up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The fireworks that Chris is playing over your face are a bit... uh less persuasive than the words coming out of your mouth i told david this morning that i was willing to fly to new york this weekend to apologize to you and i or budget am i right david yeah i said no
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The apology budget. The apology budget is a remarkable line item for this company to consider. I don't know. I don't know what's happening anymore. I just by the way, like the entirety of MSNBC is on the other side of this door. I presume now just like listening to what sounds like their new alleged star employee.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Being a crazy person, yelling about fireworks and balloon boobs, like, I don't really know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Oh, man. I think David is peeing himself at the moment. Oh, he is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I don't know. So, Pablo, what episode was it, finally? Sorry, it was Dallas Cowboys. You can't, okay, well, we can't. for release we did it we did we did do a press release i missed that my bad was the president get out of here david i just want you to know that part of my goal here at metal arc part of my stop with the fireworks please chris stop with the fireworks
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
One of my goals is to get Tony to listen to an episode of my show. And this may seem as unlikely as converting a Trump voter in 2025 to the notion that we as Americans have partnered with a guy who calls himself the world's coolest dictator in El Salvador. It may be as unlikely as that very proposition, but I'm gonna try. I'm really gonna try.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
He lost that battle. He lost all the battles you've mentioned. Crying you versus you. Every one of them. Just a series of defeats.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Yeah, look, the whole thesis of what we're doing at Metal Ark, by the way, the whole reason I do my show is because I believe that sports is a way into really genuinely entertaining and nourishing stories. Like my whole thing, as I've said to Dan many times, is that I want to melt some cheese on broccoli, right? Like I'm not just trying to scold you and shame you into caring about something.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I want to tell you a story. So the story we picked is, is the episode in which we sent one of our correspondents to a supermax prison in Texas to meet a guy on death row to talk about how at an alarming and frankly insane and eye-opening rate, people who are about to be executed in Texas shout out the Dallas Cowboys. They shout out their favorite sports teams.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And so this was an episode in which we went inside a Supermax prison, went inside death row to talk about what it's like to be in a fantasy football league. What's it like to care about the most popular American thing? What's it like to be able to laugh about what it's like to be a Cowboys fan? What it's like to actually consider, as this man we interviewed, Charles Flores, told us,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
what it's like to consider your Dallas Cowboys fandom in some ways even sadder than the fact that you've been fighting for your innocence for 25 years on death row, right? Like there is absurdity and laughter and like actual news you could use about capital punishment in there. And no one else is doing it like this company, man.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Look at the pride I have, the authentic fireworks I want to set off here are that you look at this list of nominees and it was shocking when we got it. It's that it's a bunch of enormous, enormous companies with all the pedigrees and the awards already. And then it's this company with these people who can't even apologize right for an apology they attempted to do.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Also in that room, it's kind of amazing. And nothing personal. To all of it. And also not that, but sure, let's just throw some stuff in at the end. Yeah, also that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
That's a good episode. This is so much worse. That's a good episode.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Does it work when the EP says aloud cue the fireworks? Is that part of the...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And by the way, this is the argument I always have behind the scenes now increasingly about like degree of difficulty what it takes you guys We're a company that hires journalists to do work like this at a time when everybody's running away from it And so the follow-up, you know or the runner-up episodes Sorry, but someone's knocking at the door. Can I just take this?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I actually don't know who this is Joe Let's see if it's Scarborough What? Omeka
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Or his boss who's firing him. Stop talking about it. I'm just taking a work call. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, absolutely. Yep, very good. I got kicked out of the room, so I got to go. Cue the fireworks.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I don't know. Subscribe and find out. God damn it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Zazz, I thought you'd never ask. My man.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
For those of us who don't know, yes, we do. Me, Pablo. I'm also here, beaming in from Dirty Rockefeller Center in New York. What's funny about all of this, you can imagine, is that... When Dan mentions that Mina was concerned about me and Dan and our friendship, I hadn't even known about the Barrett Sports Media thing, by the way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I was dealing with DMs from a separate sports media writer, so that's cool. Great to know that. Something that Mina and I both advised was that Dan not do what he's doing right now live. So cool. But let's do it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The test is do you see these people as human beings deserving of the protection as human beings of the country that has styled itself the foremost protector of decency and due process in human history?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And when you show these videos and you allow this administration to cast these people as people who should be shackled, who don't look like you, what they don't want you to realize in the case of Mr. Abrego Garcia is that this was a dad who was apprehended while in a parking lot of an Ikea with his autistic son in the back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And one of the most primary criteria for why he was apprehended was because he was wearing a Chicago Bulls cap and hoodie. Everybody acknowledges that this guy, as we see photos of him and his family, did not deserve any of this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
And if this was somebody who looked a little bit more like the people we tend to be intuitively sympathetic towards, which is to say very clearly, if he was a white guy who wasn't generally associated with what it means to be scary and foreign. John, this is the sort of story, the suspension of due process.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
the deportation to a terrorist prison camp in El Salvador that has Americans typically saying, this is why we need our Second Amendment. And here, I just wonder why that level of panic has not risen to the level of action, because it is absolutely horrifying.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
This went very quickly, and I have to say, maybe even predictably went from, I am feeling my heart growing full, to, I hate you guys. I really do. Well, we love you. Dan, I got you a Peabody. Yes, a nomination. A nomination. It is a nomination. Relax. Yes. The winners are announced at some point in the future. I want to explain what's happening to Amin.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I mean, remember when your parents were like, well, I don't know if this is the right metaphor, but it feels like when, as a kid, The adult in the room starts off by complimenting you, and it's so effusive that it becomes suspicious. It's that setup times the time that you and Izzy were fighting on air. It's kind of like that stuff. Kind of like all that stuff.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
Can we go through a day without being aggregated? Can we go through one day without Barrett Sports Media getting in my inbox about the awards budget? Jesus Christ.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
The balloons aren't helping, Chris. The balloons aren't helping, Chris. The balloons are not helping us.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
We're trying to be an adult media company winning most prestigious awards in journalism and getting Emmy nominations for documentaries and signing giant deals. And all I'm seeing is Chris Cody waving balloons. Give me fireworks.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
They're going to take back the nomination. They're going to take it back, guys.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Dan Is Not Well
I don't even remember that. We are unsurprised to hear Dan say that. I'm just going to speak for everybody now. Cue the fireworks. Thank you. No one's surprised. It is still a surprise, David.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, just the transactionality of all of it. I mean, David does sort of summarize it well there, but I just have a different sort of angle to it, which is that that invitation that you read, the Ricketts family, the Adelsons, okay, obviously those are two sports owners. In Mark Zuckerberg now, you have a guy who is also a sports figure. Dana White is on the board of Meta.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Look, I went to college with Mark Zuckerberg. I've been watching him in both a morbidly curious way I mean, was I the 199th person in the world to join Facebook? Yeah, maybe. Who's counting? Me? It used to be my URL. 199. But I say that because for 20 years, I watched a guy without any actual moral compass transact and scheme to become more and more powerful and more and more wealthy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Corruption is not created equal. I think there's just a bunch of people out there who are like, but Hunter Biden. And I'm like, Hunter Biden, that was a terrible embarrassment for the Biden administration. There are lots of things the left, broadly speaking, has done that does fall into the realm of corruption and is embarrassing. I'm just telling you that nothing is as look at what we're doing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
We're not even hiding it anymore than invitations like that and just the pivot that someone like Mark Zuckerberg has taken. They're doing it, Dan, because it works. This is an administration that is welcome to quid pro quo. Miriam Adelson, by the way, the Adelson family aforementioned, we did an episode about them, the biggest donors to Donald Trump.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
In exchange, they get to dictate policy on Israel. Mark Zuckerberg, the reason he's doing this is because he knows that he can give money in exchange for political favors and protection. It works, and that's why they're doing it. They're not stupid.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
But I think that what David just did is the trick that got run in the campaign and now the aftermath, which is you voted for this. And I think on some level, of course, because it's two choices, yes, objectively true. But I just think that...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
there has been a both sides ism to corruption that has undersold the magnitude on the side that won and the side that one did not run on we are corruption vote for corruption they ran on all the other stuff they ran on again sports topics They ran on trans athletes. They ran on immigration. They ran on the stuff that is juicy, the stuff that actually moves the needle in a town hall meeting.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Corruption isn't one of those topics, but because the other stuff got voted for, corruption rides inside. And David, I just think that my faith relative... to yours is in the idea that people, if they actually knew the magnitude and were presented with it by journalistic enterprises in a more rigorous and clear way, they would not actually say we voted for corruption.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
They would say, oh, that was an unfortunate thing that happened in retrospect. We voted for the other stuff. Instead, we got the most corrupt administration in the history of American politics.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I went through this exercise at our reunion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Wait, Billy, you didn't go to your... We don't have college reunions. Zuckerberg was a year ahead of me. There were some other candidates in mind. You guys don't have college reunions?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Yeah, so Facebook started as truly that. Oh, good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, I'm here to tell you, you saw a movie. I lived the movie. What were the Winklevoss twins like?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
No, what David is saying is actually the problem now. Your take has gotten worse. Your take is now corruption has always existed. We should not even remark upon its existence. Yes, it is. You're observing something in the observation. You are wearing away the edges on what's actually interesting, which is that this is uniquely corrupt. And I'm just telling you that- It's not uniquely corrupt.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
You're saying-
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think I did peak in college.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I thought they only rated women. Of course they did. To answer your question, though, in terms of like, where do I rank in my college reunion? It does bring us back to the topic, because when I went to that reunion, Vivek Ramaswamy was there. And I just point out something. Vivek Ramaswamy drove a wedge into this insane coalition between Silicon Valley, deeply transactional and America first.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Right. Because he was talking about like H-1B visas and you need more Indian immigrants and all that stuff. Go check out the last time Vivek Ramaswamy tweeted. The dude has been disappeared. from the Republican Party since he dared to say something that was ideologically inconvenient for this coalition. So I'm just telling you that Vivek Ramasamy's on the way down.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think I am absolutely back ahead of him. Damien Chazelle directed Whiplash and La La Land and those movies, so I think he's clearly the number one. But I'm up there. I'm up there, arguably, I would say. Colin Jost, your year? I didn't, like, Colin Jost was not. He was years ahead of me. We went to high school together. He was a good guy. There you go. High school, yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Guys, I need some help here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I am the least likable on your show, which is unfortunately one of the biggest platforms that I tend to sometimes have. Everywhere else, I'm like the fun guy. Here, I'm like... The scold. And I'm like, welcome to my world.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
You're the fun guy elsewhere, huh? Are you?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I am. I am the fun. I am. I am the Stugatz of MSNBC. Just to give you a clarity on what it's like for me over there. I come in wanting to talk about. I come in wanting to rank quarterbacks, literally. And it's a very different experience.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I yell into people's lav mics, you know, like Michelle Beadle.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I was, though. He says from his one-bedroom apartment. I didn't make money on it. The two-bedroom. Apartment shaming?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Thank you. Thank you, Jess. I was, I didn't, look, I didn't, as the movie says, if you invented Facebook, you would invent Facebook. I didn't invent Facebook. What I did, though, was watch Mark Zuckerberg's now wife, Priscilla Chan, live in my freshman entryway and send an email to us being like, hey, do you want to sign up for Mark's new website? And I did. And you could have saved the world.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
That's the better take is that I was all too happy to sign up for the hot or not site and like stalk people in my classes because I was like, oh, wait a minute. This is this is actually convenient. Instead, yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think Dan walked away when Samson just started saying stuff like, the wheel. But that happened too.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
By the way, you are welcome. You are welcome for that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
think it's silicon valley i think tech is actually the big difference and that's the difference between the wheel and now is that we are dealing with the foremost technological uh innovation presented to you by companies that aren't just uh seeking to protect themselves but they actually do have a we know better than you perspective on this
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It's not just that Silicon Valley is transactional, David, and they are willing to spend to preserve their own self-interests. It's that now you have them in concert with an administration that doesn't care about the ideology. They don't. Donald Trump's foremost motive is profit. And it's just naked in a way that's different.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
There are other guidelines and guardrails around, well, he won't do this because. He won't do that because there is shame, there is policy. He actually does believe this ideologically. And I'm not saying that Trump believes in nothing. I'm just saying that nothing compares to the profit that he wants to make.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
And when you have that in combination with the place that has the most money to spend, that does have ideas for how the policy should be different. It's just a remarkable combination that we're going to begin to see in full bloom. That's going to make the wheel and the corruption that existed in the era of like oil barons.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It's going to be quaint because it's never been quite like this with Silicon Valley ascendant at this time.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
that's pretty good gotta say it's pretty good
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I don't love that Jeremy and I are both wearing glasses as we yell at David. It's just I feel like we're diluting extra pretentious at the same time. I do want to I want to join Jeremy, though, pushing back on David in this way. David said you find nothing out by explaining how corrupt and perhaps uniquely corrupt this administration is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
The Silicon Valley thing is the is the is the part that I think we're underweighting here every day on this show, especially. But otherwise, we marvel at how unhappy we are about. our phones and what is actually ruling our day to day life. Right. We marvel at that as if it's new all of the time. The companies that made it that way did not make it that way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I think credit to them because they said we would like to make everyone's lives miserable. What happened was they were like, we can innovate and create a device that can do all of these other things. We can connect to the world, as Mark Zuckerberg has always said. We can make it so that you have the access to the library of Alexandria on command in your phone.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
What I'm saying is that the misery and the ruin of all of these institutions that we enjoy, but our happiness, first and foremost, okay, our happiness was an unintended consequence of people who thought that they knew better than everybody else. And when you don't regulate those people,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
And when you don't put up the guardrails via a political administration that is meant to not serve a profit motive, but to serve its actual citizens, at that point, not to sound like I'm running for goddamn office right now, you are doing something in which people have to discover I'm a frog in a pot of boiling water.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
That's what we are discovering every day because the products are actually that good. They are that good, David.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
Well, listen, I'm just saying, like you talk to people who design, there's a guy who designed the feature that is the infinity scroll. We all know it, right? Like you don't have to actually like press a button. It just scrolls infinitely. I'm like a slot machine.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
It actually is sort of premised on slot machine technology, that famously non-addictive technology that everybody who uses loves, you know, slot machines. People love it when you watch them play a slot machine. You're like that person at the time of their life and not sad and old and dying.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
What is happening is that the people who invented this technology, the infinite scroll, social media, Facebook itself, they're philosophy with their own kids is we wouldn't let them use this stuff. And I think you've heard that probably before, but it's real. It's true. And I'm not saying that to say I'm going to throw my phone into the ocean.
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The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)
I'm just saying the people who are telling you that they know the best, OK, are also the people who have access to avoid being stopped in a unique way.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Juju, welcome. It is nice to see you. What are the fairest of all of the criticisms on today's show? I imagine that tomorrow we'll start the show by saying all of the things that we did wrong on today's show for about an hour and a half.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Still an upset. Yes, good correction. Thank you, Juju.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I don't think of you as a spiritual person. Do I have that wrong? Like, I know that... So we're doubling down on it. Well, yeah, I guess so. I think hating God is too strong. I don't believe that that's what I said entirely.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Republicans listen to our show, too.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
That was a good second game, though. I had, after watching Denver slog through that first one against OKC in the fourth quarter, to see Jokic go and lead against that defense, lead the Nuggets to 140 points. Well, Dan, I gave you this stat last week.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
A God cynic. I was like, what? Are you a spiritual person? Would you consider yourself a spiritual person? How do you define a spiritual person? You define it. I'm asking you.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I want to talk about a couple of other things, but I also wanted to ask Amin what his opinion was on the idea that, Whatever you think of the lead NBA voices in this country, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Stephen A. Smith, if they're in your top group of NBA voices, they're entertainment more than analysis.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
It doesn't mean that they can't also do analysis, but the emphasis is on entertainment.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
I think of you as almost inherently skeptical about everything. And so I don't think – I remember having a conversation with you on Pablo Torre Finds Out where you didn't have much use for whatever the spiritual center of yoga was, for example. We're talking about ghosts, man.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
We've got to get to a few more things with Juju and we'll have Amin in the rest of the week on basketball. But also as part of this affliction, though, Amin. You've got those people who are entertainers talking about how many teams that have a real championship chance, a legitimate championship chance.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
So they have to invent other storylines because you've got four or five teams to choose from as legitimate contenders.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Thank you, Juju. It's a dark compliment. Before we get out of here on polls and stuff, I think you've earned today the ability to give just any kind of life advice that you would like to give to anybody in the audience. It doesn't have to be in victory lap form, but if you want the floor to give any life advice that people can use, please have at it.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Much easier to just talk shit behind your friend's back to 12 people. Ronnie H., Ronnie Honleche. Yes, very inefficient way to do it. What kind of polls do we have? Poll updates do we have today, Juju?
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
That script on that movie, can you imagine that script? And now Kevin Bacon goes to the warehouse and just dances like crazy. Just what a shitty script.
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Postgame Show: Good Day! (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Everybody hit him. Look out. Good day. Oh, my God. He punctuated it with a good day.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Notably, different from Bill Cassidy, who did cast the deciding vote to approve, as the director of Health and Human Services, a guy who also loves roadkill as much as vultures. That was yesterday.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You can throw him an alley-oop that's 50 feet in the sky and he will dunk it.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I want Ron to dress like that all of the time. With the white suit? And the sweater. And the chain. I like how he was like, I was meeting the mayor. And it's like, of course, this is what the mayor of Miami should be met like.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Someone said to you, ugh.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So Dominique has been texting me topics that I should ask as the host of a sports show. Topics that involve the Luka Doncic trade, LeBron James, how difficult it is to make trades when you have a reputation for being bad at making trades. And to that I say, welcome Ron McGill.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Well, we have you on for a far more important reason. It's me, Amin, David Sampson, Jess, Jeremy, and Chris.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yeah, I'll take it. Wait, wait, wait. I'm not sorry. The past version of me that I no longer am is sorry. But me, David Sampson, have evolved.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's right. In no way is this a backup, second string, substitute teacher scenario. This is definitely the first stringers. There you go. Ron, where are you right now?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You're trying to make us dress like a breakdancing squad. Why are we all wearing the same stuff?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Dominique's texting me that I need to take control of the show again. Can we bring it back to this Nico Harrison thing for a second? Because we're talking about what we're supposed to call things. And I feel like, I mean, on the internet, people have misinterpreted something that was reported by Ethan Strauss at ESPN in the most clicked article on ESPN.com at the time.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So people online have been saying that Nico Harrison called Steph Seth.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
And that's not what the story is. I mean, can you help clarify what the actual story is? Because it's one of the great stories in sports business that now comes back because Nico Harrison is the aforementioned formerly anonymous guy who is now a thing that everybody has an opinion on.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's news, right? Right, there is something to the idea of when news is breaking, it'd be nice if it was breaking out of a thing that wanted to keep it contained.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But a friend of Steph Curry's. A friend of Steph Curry's. And an Under Armour client.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Nike had to argue that Steph should stay with Nike. And this was in August. I mean, the second floor of the Oakland Marriott. Yep. Beneath the practice facility of Golden State. And notably missing were the people who actually had power. Yes. At Nike. So this guy, Lynn Merritt, was a shadow. I mean, not even shadow. He's just known as...
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So the person who was there running the meeting instead of Lynn Merritt, who was famed for being a power broker, a LeBron James advisor at the time, happens to have been Nico Harrison, who was a sports marketing director. That was his title. Not like Grand Poobah, but sports marketing director.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yeah, he's not a schlepper. And he would go on to be the VP of North America Basketball Ops for Nike, but he was not the number one guy.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's what it was. Again, Nico is running the meeting, but the reporting is, and this is according to one of the unafraid people who ended up being a source for Ethan, a meaningful source who was in the room, Del Curry, Steph's dad, who said that one Nike official accidentally addressed Steph as Steph-on. Stephen Curry. Not his actual name, but the mispronunciation.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So the meeting begins with them mispronouncing the name of the person they are recruiting. Not great. It's not going to end well.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
He's not credited as the guy who accidentally addressed him as such.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Because it's become, because of Nico Harrison being the guy who was, again, credited and discredited with the Luka Doncic trade, erasing the owners of the team, incidentally, he's credited as the guy who called Steph, Seth. But the funnier part of the meeting.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's irrelevant to what we're doing. The funnier part of the meeting, though, David, which I think you might appreciate, is that this meeting that was, again, run by Nico Harrison, right? So what does he get discredited for here? Maybe it's the fact that the meeting has a PowerPoint presentation, and the PowerPoint presentation is clearly for Kevin Durant. Yeah.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
His name is left on there by accident because they're repurposing a thing for someone that they actually cared more about for this guy that they're basically doing the theater of caring about.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Speaking of merch I'd love to wear. No, it's just old enough to be in my sweet spot.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes, because Steph Curry and that shoe became, if not next to Kyrie Irving's shoe, the most popular shoe among young people.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron also looks like somebody who has just thrown Amin El-Hassan out of the club. No, he doesn't. No, no, no.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
For Under Armour.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Oh, this was, again, going back to the idea of dynasties and villainy, this was the Warriors- At their heyday.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
To quote an and one shirt, grab a notebook. You're about to be schooled.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's very good.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
On waiting?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
The shoe does look good, if you can show that.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Let's listen to this. I disagree, but we'll listen. Good EP. Tell for ourself.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I agree. We have not seen them even. I mean, so, yes, they've been in the same photograph together, but it's been sort of in that paparazzi way, which is a soft launch, if anything. Were they holding hands? That's the thing. Were they holding hands, though?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I would draft Asia Wilson and Bam Adebayo's child right now. That kid's not going to play basketball.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I agree. That's how to look when you're doing Dan's show. Ron, we summoned you for an actual pressing concern, which is that Amin Elhassan and I stay at this lovely building, the Elser Hotel. We stay near the top floors in the 40s. Oh, I know what it is already. We've encountered some vultures. That's right. Can you explain what we've been encountering, please?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I know. It's really not great. Jesus Christmas. What are you? That's a video issue.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Now, hypothetically. Yeah, purely hypothetically. I just forgot.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. There's a lot that I'm processing here. So the vulture, just to get back to where they came from and why they're here. So these turkey vultures, the fact that they're turkey vultures, is that right? Am I saying it or no?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Right. So let's just say hypothetically, if we were to put some garbage and raccoon carcasses on our balcony, if we were to, in fact, can we bring Ethan in here?
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
I want to just run an experiment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Yes, like a crowd outside of a club during Super Bowl week, the vultures have been circling my balcony. And on that balcony, I would like to put David Sampson and Ethan, who's here. Say hi, Ethan. David, stand up next to him for context.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
So between the two of them, if we were to slather both of them in maybe meat juice or raccoon carcass, who would the vulture be more likely to take away? David's on his tippy toes.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Is that his name? Ethan.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's a great compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
That's a hell of a compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
He did just have a birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Ethan, by the way.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Doesn't that look a little bit like him? Not really. I see it. No, I see it.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Cheekbones. It's in the cheekbones.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Them cheeks.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
And in the vultures defense, Mina Kimes walked into a glass door at Dan's wedding. Oh, that's a good point, man.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
But we should be glad that the vultures are here is what you're saying. We should be embracing them as much as they might projectile vomit the remains of roadkill.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ethan, take the hat off.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Hey!
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
The nose.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
There you go.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
You know what? Many such cases. You're right. Think about what Ron just said. That's a compliment.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron, David was telling us a 10-minute story about Alan Alda before. And now we've moved to David Cassidy. So thank you for actually.
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Hour 2: Thong Sandals, Uric Acid, and Evolutions (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron, we appreciate it. Not only are we killing it, we are then going to pick the bones of the things we have killed and continue to spray our uric acid all over everything.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
What do you mean? Be a better defense attorney for your kid.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
No, man, I can't.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'm terrible. All right, we've got to establish some etiquette, Dominique. What are your sports parent commandments when it comes to talking? Well, I mean...
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I pray for footage of you guys flipping out at a game. I just want someone to send me a TikTok of you guys.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I thought Dominique was saying Amin is taking shots literally vicariously. As in, like, shoot. Coach, you've got to isolate number nine on defense.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, this changes everything. Did you guys all catch that? We were not. Did we all catch that? Earl Woods over here is revealing what's really happening. I stand corrected. Amin is engineering the next grade athlete. Not really.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
That's what you got to say, Amin. Well done. Well done. A good immigrant parent.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Framing dollar bills and talking about grades.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I wish everybody could hear the motivational speech Dominique just gave Chris Cody.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'd like to know. We really just want a most down. I don't want to do this. What's happening? We just had a great. We were doing something.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
We're having too much fun. Dan's going to fly right now. Speaking of flight, Dominique.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, I am. I am summoning Dominique Foxworth, not just because we just replayed the video from last summer of David Sampson koala bearing him mid-dap, but also because Chris Cody clearly was waiting for that external validation. You guys talked about sack grabbing in a way that felt honestly inspirational. Yeah.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
We all know he's listening. I know. That's why Jeremy wore that color green, just for Dan. Dan was worried. Dan said that he's happy to take vacation. The audible sound of laughter through the glass that you may be able to catch is Jess's reaction to that premise. I believe that Dan is worried. I believe that Dan should be on vacation. He's not on vacation. You know that, right? He's working.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I mean, he's not working the whole week. The whole point is to give him time, right? He's doing this show with Dan Patrick, which everybody in New Orleans, if you're listening, go watch. It's at Tipitina's, which is an awesome venue. You know, go do that. But after that, like Dan should have a weekend to himself. He should be, you know. Painting the town red. That's right.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Another thing people don't say anymore. Is that a 90s reference? I don't know. 20s CB.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Oh, yeah. Make that happen and send that video to us exclusively, please, for YouTube and the DraftKings Network.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I can't, actually. If you can imagine, the voice I imagine Charlie used is the voice that Charlie uses to impersonate Dan, which is also the voice that Amin uses to impersonate Adam Silver.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Changed my life. I want to get back to the game. I want to get back to the game of what do you tell the person that you're the biggest possible fan of? Charlie went with, you changed my life. Think about that. We have a video, though, I want to play.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
It's the move you do as a writer and you think you can do it just speaking. And it's a real heat check.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The rest of them are. Are we now realizing that Dan's kind of a good writer? Is that what's happening right now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We know Dan's a great writer.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I love Dan. I hope Dan's listening to this. I hope he's not. Have you guys seen a person that you were an enormous fan of and you wound up saying something like, you changed my life to them? Is there a thing? David, who is the person you would most be excited to encounter? Do you have a thing you know you'd want to say to them?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Is there anything else you learned from the most popular television show of all time through podcasting?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
What I mean is that you went to the star of the most watched television show of all time at one point and said, I know what your life is like, I have a podcast.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Are you stalking Alan Alda?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Yeah, I felt, I felt that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Another thing people don't really say anymore is willy-nilly, by the way. Let's keep a running list.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I think you're being Willie Nilly. Nilly Willie. Willie Nilly. Who's going to win the game? I see what you mean now, Dominique. I see what you mean now. That's the best we got. No, look, here's the bad news. Here's the bad news for the steering wheel in front of me. It has the word, there are vultures circling the Elser written on it.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
And that's what I was going to lead with the next time we came back from break.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
They're not just vultures, they're turkey vultures. Mm-hmm Ron we got Ron McGill on to talk about the vultures.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Are they healthy vultures? I can't tell if Chris is feeding me lines or just saying them now into the microphone for everybody. It's hard to distinguish. Turkey vultures, that was all me.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
And he's rolling his shoulders right now listening to compliment him.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
But that distinction of there are superstar calls, and the NBA, by the way, is pretty, I would say, unique. It's unique among sports where it's like every call has room for interpretation. When in the game is it happening? Who is committing it? Who is the person who is on the other side of it? Right. Where on the court is it happening?
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All of this stuff factors into what makes a good call in basketball. And in the end, look, I guess across all sports, though, the reason why I think it's such a hard conversation is because there is truth. The league likes to think of refereeing broadly as a dial to turn. Right? We're over-correcting for some things, we're trying to make up for other things, that happens.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
In the NBA, we saw it, I mean, scoring's way up. What happened? They interpreted the rules differently. Mid-season, and the things changed. In the NFL, there are things that are called now, Dominique, that didn't used to be called that way, because there was an actual change. The specific, though, favor trading of, we are rewarding a superstar team as an entity, That's where I agree.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I deserved that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Go on. Dominique, you should know that David tried to high-five me when I wasn't trying to high-five him.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Yeah, just so Dominique can be brought in, caught up on the show as we do substitute teacher week here. Oh, gosh. Look, I'm not trying to high five you. I'm just gesturing in your direction. The other reason I wanted to bring Dominique in beyond establishing the rules of consensual 90s mode. which I like.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Do we need some fanfare here?
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The kids today appreciate that he had it tucked right there.
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Looney Tunes is how I learn most cultural references.
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Looking at some tall, dark, and handsome.
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Oh, get to it.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Do you have a specific lie?
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Should have talked your way into an earlier plane.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Hold on. I think we have to enter consensual 90s mode before we do that.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
I'll give them a question. We know Amin's policy. Amin will do pro bono Sports Nation for any bouncer or security guard. But if you're an Uber driver who asks Amin, what do you do? Amin is lying his ass off immediately.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
All right, David. I'm just asking. It's important.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
Can I bring Dominique back in? Because Amin said something else, Dominique, that made me glad that you were here and available before you get on your flight to New Orleans, which is that Amin was just in Arizona, and he had witnessed a special sporting milestone.
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The Big Suey: Tall, Dark, and Handsome (feat. Domonique Foxworth)
The guy who used to co-host Sports Nation is despondent right now. What's happening?
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You criticize him and his weird press conferences, and you do so less so now, obviously, by the way, a separate story, but the whole point is, look over there at the guy we put on camera at the presser next to Jason Kidd. Don't look at the people who actually had the power to make this deal happen. It's an incredible gift we've given to a person, by the way, Miriam Adelson.
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Just for the record here, was Trump's biggest donor in 2020? These are just facts. I'm not gonna present them with any sort of editorializing. Just facts about who she is.
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I just wanna point out that she was Trump's biggest donor in 2020. She is a super donor to the Republican Party in its most mutated state. Mutated also feels objective at this point. And she is the architect, quietly, of Trump's whole policy in the Middle East. Which, by the way, happens to be relevant certainly right now and yesterday.
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She has been all over the biggest story in sports and the biggest story in politics at the same time. And nobody is really talking about her. And that is an amazing bit of theater for us to miss.
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It's a great question. To me, David, you would... So the reason I love that David is here, by the way... Great question, Chris. It's because...
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That's so rare. When it comes to meat shields and when it comes to people, executives running a team who must be trotted out there to be deeply unpopular in front of the press. To cover for the owner of the team, I present to you David Sampson.
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There's a lot going on today. There's too much going on, I would argue. David hates when I say this to start any show. There is, I would say, it's an unprecedented degree of substitute teacher vibes going on in the studio today. Chris Cody's dancing.
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So this is something that we reported and Pablo Torre finds out that the NBA called me to push back on immediately. The concern had been that Miriam Adelson, if you Google her, is so toxic that the NBA said, we need a meat shield for her. And that ended up being, reportedly, according to our reporting, Patrick Dumont. Well, that's a fact. That's not a report. He is the principal owner.
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He's the governor of the Mavericks. But an anonymous guy who is her son-in-law, who is, in fact, the governor who shows up at the meetings, and it's not Miriam. And all of this, again, is it a distinction without a difference? We can argue about that. Where the money comes from seems to be the most relevant thing, as always.
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As I've been told many times, the answer to all of your questions is money. We should probably think about that. But to Chris's question specifically, what's different about this? Why is this an owner thing? it's because it's Luka bleeping Doncic. He's 25 years old.
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All of the superlatives we've all been saying, five-time All-NBA, five years running, made the NBA Finals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. David.
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If Popovich traded Wemby at all, yes, I would say that the immediate reaction would be.
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I was going to say, so I want to laugh at this and pick it apart. And luckily, Amin El-Hassan has just arrived, the guy who just interviewed, I believe, the originator of the Facebook post in question.
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They're casino magnates, the Adelsons, right? Macau, the Sands.
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Okay, here's another connection. Remember when Josh Harris, owner of the Commanders, also owner of the Sixers, went on Monday Night Football and was there with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck, and he thought that something happening was a high-five invitation? And then he grabbed the hand of, I believe, Joe Buck. That's just what happened. with me and Samson. That was terrible.
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It's one of those things where like everybody feels like they're on, they're like at Six Flags. Everybody's in New Orleans for the Super Bowl. They seem to be, I'm watching Stu Gott's post pictures with Mina at like a sandwich shop somewhere getting a po' boy together. And our task here, David, is to have more fun than them.
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I was not trying to high-five you. I thought you were.
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But even bigger picture, right, when it comes to what the NBA's financial interests here, it is interesting to consider that, right? If you're Adam Silver, the question has has has arrived. Should he veto this deal? Should he have vetoed this deal? And just purely cynically, purely following the money, this is a good deal for Adam Silver to have happen in his league, is it not?
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From a pure, like, Luka, go to the Lakers. Lakers have a whole decade of runway of your next all-time player. Dallas... You'll figure it out. Like that feels like a cost benefit that Adam Silver in his heart of hearts would approve of.
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We started the show by saying we have to be more fun than people in New Orleans. And Amin is immediately saying.
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What is the verdict that you have of how Major League Baseball was at running the Expos?
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So this is why I bring it up, though. It's because Amin is... I love Amin's retrospective, his revisiting of how good a GM was David Stern, actually.
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But I'm saying this because ownership and decision-making, when it comes to when the league is taking over teams, kind of hard to disentangle because the incentives for the decisions you make are different now, right? It's different.
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David, as always, we are 100% right when we disagree with you specifically. I thought it was a sticky envelope.
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That has been, for a long time, the dominant theory.
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But to that point, right, as somebody who is also the voice on Basketball Illuminati at the beginning.
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Quoting a story that I'd written about why the NBA is the league most riven with conspiracy, it's because of stuff like this. It's because there is just enough plausibility for these things to take root. But I want to disentangle, like, what is conspiracy and what is actually just business, David?
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All right. When Amin shows, by the way, Amin isn't here. Amin's supposed to be here. Amin is coming. He was on the list. He's coming in from the airport. Amin has the craziest life, I think, of anybody who does this show. He commutes across the country all of the time.
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But I'm not trying to relitigate the frozen envelope. What I'm trying to get back to, though, is this Luca thing, which Anthony Davis, by the way, via a mean story, has brought us back to.
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And it's well liked, not better liked. Thank you. That's my EP. That's my EP.
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Nipples have been rubbed, and it's like 930. Nipples. Yeah. What did I say?
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Can you pull the video from the last time David and I were here where he tried to dap up Dominique? That's in the archive somewhere.
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They're efforting it, I'm told. There should be now. It'll never be Dan with Josh Norman.
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It's security camera footage of the Clevelander bar. And Josh Norman walks in and there is Dan. And somehow... Dan is basically like grinding on the back of Josh Norman. It's an incredible.
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Local Hour: David and Pablo's Awkward Moment
Well, he has beyond cut it. He is not here. It's not cutting close. He's late. And so I want to get into the NBA stuff because last night I was at dinner with David. We were wearing bibs at Joe's Stone Crab, which if you've never seen David Sampson get bibbed, it is a sight to see. He walks in. I mean, Joe's. Can I just. Chris, you've been to Joe's Stone Crab.
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It's the slow dance. Admittedly, in my mind, it was even worse. Over time, I have reimagined this. It's the step and a half back. he takes with him, like come on.
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What is that dance? Forgot about the Eurostep.
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Need it up east. Interesting. We need to call Dominique.
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Do we need to explain what Joe's Stone Crab is to people?
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It's the sort of place where you're walking with David Sampson, and they immediately come up and say, Mr. Sampson, it's so good to have you back. You were greeted by everybody we saw. I'm not exaggerating.
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That's a you problem, buddy. Do we have a picture of David in this bib? Oh, yeah, yeah. You can pull it off of my, speaking of which, at P.S. Toria on Instagram. It's currently on my stardust. I blacked out. I put a bar over the waiter's eyes for privacy reasons, but you could see what the vibe is. Because you think he wouldn't want to be in a photo with me? I just can't be sure.
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They're right there. We ate at 5 p.m. And none of those people are scrolling through my Instagram feed.
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Can you guys Google Robert Graham for me and explain who this person is? Because I've never heard that name before in my life.
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I know, you always try to say that. And I'm like, dude, we're rolling out the AV cart. This is what we do.
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I do want to bring us in to what I was doing at dinner because what I was doing while on my cell phone was actually doing a bit of reporting. It's what I do. I find stuff out. There's supposed to be a Kevin Durant trade happening and it hasn't happened yet. And I'm not alone in saying this. Jeremy, the Internet has been ablaze.
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Basically, everybody who's even tangentially involved with the NBA has been hinting without reporting Kevin Durant's about to be traded. And they're supposed to be, in my understanding, to be even more irresponsible, like a three team deal involving some major franchises. So what is the latest? What is the Internet telling everybody?
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Who are the Heat supposed to get in this?
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Ooh! Which is funny. Look, I want to talk about ownership, though, because we just referenced just now the Phoenix Suns and their owner, Matt Ishbia. Like, what is he doing? I was hoping Amin would be here for this, but we can pick it up when he's also around. I think that the media in general, the way we talk about the Luka Doncic thing is very backwards.
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I think it's remarkable how much we've missed the forest and the trees. This is a story about ownership. Nico Harrison has gone from a guy, I've never seen, speaking of guys, I've never seen a guy go from zero to one million in terms of nobody knows who he is to everybody has a developed opinion.
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I don't think people even know, largely, that Mark Cuban no longer owns the Dallas Mavericks. And it infuriates me because I did an episode about who does own the Dallas Mavericks, obviously, Miriam Adelson and her son-in-law, Patrick. Where can we find that episode? Palpatory finds out. It's available on YouTube. We have 99.2, 99,200 subscribers come be our 100th, thousandth?
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What do you get for that?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll send them a photo of the plaque. Such a Pablo thing, isn't it? I digress. The point is, this is an ownership story, and it's less so a GM story. As much as the GM story is colorful and funny and amazing, but I just think you must follow the money here. And the money is a very clear...
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it makes it made no sense to me well i'm not buying it look at that it's the feeder of all of it right look and again do i buy that lebron didn't know about this do i buy that uh yeah clutch was not involved when they represent lebron and anthony davis in this and they wouldn't have shared information i don't buy any of that obviously but the owner's story
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This is a multi-billion dollar franchise at the center of which is this kid, is this 25-year-old. And Nico Harrison does not have the power unilaterally to be like, I have an idea. This has to come from the people who own and bought the team. No, the idea can come from the GM, but it has to get approved by the owner. But my point is, the idea can't go anywhere without the owner.
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unless the person who pays the bills is like, yes. And so to your point, I wanna acknowledge the best case scenario for this story in terms of, what were the Adelson sort of aware of? It's that they didn't care. Right. The question of how much should you be as a Mavs fan at the owners of your team?
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The most generous interpretation of the order of events here is that they didn't care when Nico Harrison was like, I have an idea. They said, whatever, go do it. Like, we're not going to spend a ton of time thinking about this.
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Local Hour: David and Pablo's Awkward Moment
David, I think we've drawn the line. The Mendoza line exists in baseball. This is the Luka Doncic line. If your GM comes to you and says, I'm going to trade Luka Doncic right now, I just want the owner to say, that's an insanely stupid idea. That's all I want them to do. They don't have to do more than that. Which is probably what Mark Cuban would have done.
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So the Mark Cuban part of this is for me. That's my favorite part of this whole story is the Mark Cuban part. So refresh our memory, David, because you were out ahead on this. Truly. When it came to Mark Cuban. Getting crushed. Selling to Miriam Adelson and Patrick Dumont.
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I'm trying to set David up for a victory lap, and he's somehow turning it into a parade of defeats.
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This is this is a story about the theater of power who actually has it, who pretends like they have it, who performs it. Nico Harrison is the greatest gift to Miriam Adelson. Not because he got Luka Doncic out of there, because everybody is simply talking about his incompetence. It's the thing with Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell's great value to NFL ownership is that he is the meat shield.
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Hour 2: Fifty Shades Of Greg (feat. Pablo Torre)
Trust Jess. Your son, that's a whole different story. Why is Pablo back? I mean.
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Hour 2: Fifty Shades Of Greg (feat. Pablo Torre)
Do you like us or love us?
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Hour 2: Fifty Shades Of Greg (feat. Pablo Torre)
You wanted it done on Dan Patrick is what you wanted. Yeah, but...
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Greg, that's what I was trying to tell you. Lesson learned here. You don't trust them. When Mike adds you a piece of paper, just read it blindly. Really? Yes. Yes.
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Hour 2: Fifty Shades Of Greg (feat. Pablo Torre)
Now, Chris handed him that piece of paper, not Mike. That's a different thing. I don't know.
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But I sold Greg on if Mike hands you a piece of paper. So I think you need to give that. I'll give it to Mike. Mike needs to come back in here and hand it to me.
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Hour 2: Fifty Shades Of Greg (feat. Pablo Torre)
He was still playing?
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Millsap last played in 2021. So he was hoping that, you know, if he hung around long enough, someone would sign him. No one signed him. So he decided to retire.
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That's how trust is established. You see what I'm saying?
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Same industry. Only the lead singer is getting shoes.
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And I'm enjoying him enjoying his self-involvement.
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Top of a new sneaker.
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You got to like loosen up the laces down low.
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Let's get notes.
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We got Shakira?
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Maybe eventually not a first ballot guy. I don't like Ichiro as a first ballot guy. I gotta be honest. Are you serious? No. What are you talking about? No way.
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Any more Hall of Fame takes?
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So upset an hour ago. I know.
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And you're freaking out, right? No. You were laughing too?
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In Dan's defense, he wanted Chris to feel what it is he's feeling when he has to listen to his dad. Were we hiding that?
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So, Greg, I will tell you that for 20 years, blindly, Mike hands me a piece of paper. Billy, Chris, they hand me a piece of paper. I trust them. I'm going to read it. I understand, however, why you do not want to do this. I get it. It makes sense to me.
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Hour 2: Fifty Shades Of Greg (feat. Pablo Torre)
If I had it in front of me, I would be reading it. Wait for the penalty. Five minutes. Spooning comedy.
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That fool is serving a five-minute major right now.
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I like both of them in the penalty box as Greg is reading this.
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Slowly and sensually. Well, trust Dan is what he's asking you to do.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
Ron, when you talk about smart animals, if I put up your dolphin, but I say octopus, because you can put them in a jar and they can find their way to get out of the jar.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
So how do we do this? I know Pablo's one of the only people on the planet that's seen this masterpiece of a documentary with the guy that made O.J. Made in America. Ezra Edelman.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
No, I didn't remember what his name was. No, I understand. He won an Oscar.
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I saw it and I was like, meh.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
How do we get Pablo in a state of I don't know what to tell us what's in kind of the cliff notes of the documentary? Like drugging Pablo, but like a nice way. Like truth serum kind of thing.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
It was like coward. 24 minutes. Can you give us 24 minutes? No.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
Yeah. United we stand. United we stand on business.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
That's the thing.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
Sometimes it's really heavy metal at 8 a.m.
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Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)
I don't need that. I never need it, actually.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Lege deine Brightness nach oben, nach vorne. Du kannst deinen Weg durch machen. Ich sage dir, du kannst das tun.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
kyle shanahan the way he decided to not to take the ball first he made it so if he would have done it the way everyone said he should have done it given the chiefs the ball first then the defense for the chiefs could have ended the game i feel like the our narrative is more with mahomes now because he was put in that spot where he needed to go down get the touchdown so we forget to your point dan that this is a defensive led team the defense was the best unit on that team and we i'm not saying i'm not saying defensive led what i'm
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Die Geschichte war Mahomes und Andy Reid. Es ist, weil diese Overtime-Situation Mahomes in den Spot gelegt hat, wo er die Sache machen musste.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Ich würde mich interessieren, eine echte Konversation mit Chris Jones und Trent McDuffie zu haben. Glaubst du, dass es wirklich eine Enttäuschung gibt? Oder ist es nur so, dass Mahomes unser Goat ist, also ich habe keine Ahnung, wer den Kredit bekommt, wir sind die Champions? Es wäre lustig, mit ihnen zu sprechen, in einer echten Einheit.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
You could make the argument that Trent McDuffie was better than Patrick Mahomes this season. Dude, those corners for the Chiefs were elite. You could probably make that argument. And it's just so funny that nobody, like everyone says Chris Jones, Mahal. Like Chris Jones, I feel like at least gets a little bit. Like those corners have to be like, but I feel like they're not.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Like we're just doing, we're trying to split them apart. I bet you Trey McDuffie has not had that.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
I'm going on that plane first. See, that's danger. I feel like Group 1, they're checking. That's the only group. Once they get to 3, if I'm like a 5 or a 6, I'm going in Group 3.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
I feel like this is similar to Brady. Brady had some good defenses. Do we think back on any of those as defensive-led Super Bowls?
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Yeah. Thought about it. Wear your khakis to the airport just to fake them all out. My khakis. That's right. Back to Jess, though. I don't know. Dog tags. Is it stealing a water? Because this is how it went down. As Jess... was going to reach for the water, she said, can I have your water? Wow. So it's one of those things where it's a combo.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
I feel like we are going to look back 20 years from now and be like... There was that one Chiefs team that was carried by the defense. That's my wonder.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
I'm never going to forget the way Andy Reid jumped on Chris Jones. Thank you. Das wird die Sache sein, die ich in einem Monat vergessen werde. Er hat auf Chris Jones gespielt und dann hat er es wieder gespielt.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Vorsicht. Komm schon. Respekt die Defense. Respekt die Defense. Respekt die Defense.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
She was taking it regardless, but she did say, can I have this as she's grabbing it?
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
I didn't know he had a truck that he drove.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Dad, you see the lesson here though is, when you're drunk, drink water. Yep. This is something I had to. Anyone's water. I had to He's like, oh...
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
There's few things you can do less than if you did that. That would be worse.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
That would make it even better. I'm reading that there are only Air Marshals on 1% of flights.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
That they still are in existence, but it's just impossible with over 44,000 commercial flights operating every day. It's just impossible for them to be on their flight. How do they choose what flight? I don't know.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Yeah, they're in the pen. I've heard a lot of people making the Mahomes comparison of like he's entering that. I haven't heard a lot of people putting Andy Reid up there with Belichick in that pen. I think people are saying in this era, he's the best going currently. But you're one of the few people I've heard of like, no, no, no. He's in the conversation now with the all time great.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Es klingt nicht so, als hätte Belichick ein echtes Problem in dieser Debatte.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
You guys just made me realize that what Kyle Shanahan is doing right now is what Andy Reid did in Philadelphia. So let's be careful here while we criticize Kyle Shanahan as we praise a guy who is on the same exact path that Kyle Shanahan... It's almost impossible for us to anoint Andy Reid if we're going to criticize Kyle Shanahan.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Because Kyle Shanahan is currently doing what Andy Reid did in Philly. Andy Reid knew the rules. Das ist eine seltsame Sache. Ich fühle mich, als ob die Leute etwas falsch interpretieren.
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Hour 1: The GOAT Pen
Ich habe gelernt, dass du das tun kannst, um dich schnell zu stoppen. Wenn du Vertrauen hast, musst du die Person lesen, die es tut. Viele Male, wenn du in der Gruppe 2 bist, checken sie nicht wirklich. Du steckst einfach zu der Person hinter dir, legst dein Handy nach vorne über den Scanner. Einige Leute handeln das Handy an die Person. Das ist ein gefährliches Spiel. Du musst vertrauen.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Juju, thank you. Thank you. I mean that sincerely. I feel like I picked the worst time to pop into the studio. It smells of PETA. Jeremy's palpably uncomfortable, and I cannot help but contract not just the disease that Dan was alluding to that's been floating around here, but also just the awkwardness from Jeremy.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
Is there anything that people— Wait, you're pivoting off of that real quick. Man, I had gotten generally positive feedback before this. Happy Greg Cody History Month, by the way.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
you can't re you can't hurt me and then tell me how i supposed to react you feel me but at the same time the second man is always flat in football so you got to temper your reactions i i'm just processing still that drake was in australia trying to get as far away as possible from the united states to do anything resembling music that's what i'm about to do and still And still, he was caught.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
The idea that Drake doesn't, he literally has nowhere he can hide is kind of a special thing. I don't know if we've had, I don't know if any beef has resulted in a global surveillance state that will not allow the loser to at least go away.
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Postgame Show: Spliff Notes (feat. JuJu Gotti)
here to say that Drake deserves our sympathies I am just here to point out that it's pretty extreme and it's therefore very funny but it is extreme like I don't know if you're look Drake doesn't have any friends right now I don't know what he would be advised I don't know where you go if you're trying to you know prove that you're not bothered by this but a random bar in Australia gotta go further Drake you gotta go I don't know you gotta go to one of those islands with like 50 people on it
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Ambition is a word that comes to mind.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Well, we're going to... But is it like... I would tell you, but it's my password to everything and it is very hackable.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, my neck actually does hurt.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Whether you're celebrating a big win or simply enjoying some cocktails with family and friends, Remy Martin 1738 is the perfect spirit to elevate any occasion. So go ahead, treat yourself to a little luxury, and try Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Learn more at remymartin.com. Your view that to love art is to criticize it rigorously. Yeah. Do you feel like that is the default in your profession?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
How is that sort of... maybe evolved itself over time.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I'm like talking to a mentalist, I feel like. Okay. It's very dear to me.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Well, now I'm very insecure about what I project. For people who don't know Jerry Sells, by the way, thank you so much for being here.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Sure, sure, sure. I mean, by the way, speaking of money, right, we're talking in the week that I believe a Magritte piece just sold for $121 million.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So where does art that is meant to pay tribute fit into your worldview on how art can be beautiful and rigorous and a story in and of itself? Because, Jerry, you famously, I'm not overstating this, you critiqued a presidential portrait of Barack Obama. Oh, yeah. By Kehinde Wiley. Right. Very famous artist himself. I said it was sh**t.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
The Kehinde Wiley portrait for just those who did not... Do you like it? Well, so here's the thing that... It's realistic. So I went to see his work at the Brooklyn Museum at one point, and I was struck immediately by the concept, his sort of thing, which is, I'm going to transpose black figures into regal, and you're nodding because, of course, you're familiar with this, but there is an ornate...
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
regal aspect to the background, to the filigrees, to all of it. And I'm the guy, by the way, who saw that and I was like, I'm going to buy the book at the gift shop. This is cool. Good. It is cool. I guess my issue is, in retrospect, is my evolution in taste happened, is that he just kept on doing it again and again and again. And it became formulaic, admittedly.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
And it sort of felt like he had one idea and he managed to execute it a zillion times.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, well, this is the ideal audience for me for this specific episode, I think. Because I know of you as, of course, the guy who won the Pulitzer Prize for Criticism in 2018. Right. I am a magazine nerd, a journalism nerd. Practitioner, but also acolyte in an era where that's intimidating.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yes, Dwayne Wade is maybe the greatest player in Miami Heat history. He is the guy posing as such. Fists bald, mouth open. Right. Ferocious. Right. And it raises the question of when you are making a statue, a work of art that is meant to be a tribute to someone. Right. And the first response that everybody has is, that f***ing doesn't look like Dwayne Wade.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
$100?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
$200? We don't know exactly what was paid, Jerry. Do you like it? I don't. But I also want to point out, when it comes to resemblance, how important is it for the statue of somebody to be actually a photorealistic depiction of them in real life?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Does it do anything for you if I play a video of the artist's response to a larger reaction?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So that's Omri Amrani, I should say, the co-sculptor, I guess.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I feel about you to say allegedly, I guess, in there somewhere, but I don't want to step on your critique.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, how long away are we from that?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
What do you think of this sculpture? Are you familiar with this work? Is that Rocky? This is the Rocky statue.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yes.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Discus throwers and... Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Oh, and by the way, the kids out there should know, this was an Oscar-worthy screenplay, performance, all of it. Actually good.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I love that you have no f***ing idea who Dwayne Wade is. I mean that so sincerely. I'm sorry. You're the most pure sample that we could have for this exercise. So I love it.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Sure.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. I would like to submit... More. Let's see more. Can we get Michael Jordan on the screen, please? The greatest of all. So this is how they commemorated the greatest, his airness, outside of the United Center where the Chicago Bulls... I love the figure underneath him.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
There is a humongous aspect to the person he is dunking over.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So this was one of the two guys that made the Dwayne Wade sculpt.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
No, I agree. Yeah, this is much better. This is an amazing statue that I can imagine Dwayne Wade and Miami Heat were maybe like, can we get our version of that? And they brought him the thing that we evaluated.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Can we just show you Brandi Chastain for a second? Who's that? Brandi Chastain, all-time American women's soccer player. And this is her Hall of Fame plaque, the Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame. And this is her in real life. What's the sport that Brandi... Soccer.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Eleanor Roosevelt, perhaps.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
No.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah. Her view was, I think to your point, quote, it's not the most flattering, but it's nice. Yeah. That's not untrue. Right. It's good to be remembered. Right. Not great is that she also looks like Gary Busey, I guess.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I think it's like the rictus of what is her left cheek on the right side of the image, just like the indentation feels Busey-an.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, yeah. And then lastly, the last, I think, case study for you is just Cristiano Ronaldo, who I presume you have no idea.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Oh, okay.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But wait a minute. So Yankees-wise, I am here to report that I was at Game 5 of the World Series. Wow. And that felt like a grotesque performance art at a certain point. Yeah. The fifth inning, just the worst inning in baseball history, arguably just so many self-inflicted wounds.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
The eyes are doing a lot here.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I mean, that is wild. The artist's name is Emmanuel Santos. That's the artist? That is Ronaldo. Okay. That is Cristiano Ronaldo. So, by the way, does this statue look more like the artist who made it or Cristiano Ronaldo, famed as one of the most angular, beautiful, symmetrical faces in human history? Your mileage may vary.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But in a vacuum, you love this specific work.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
There's one more thing I'd like you to evaluate. Yes. If you can hold until after the break. Jerry, you've stuck around very generously, and we brought in Sophie from the other side of the glass. Love it. Because this is an original work that I have not seen. So we'll be viewing this for the first time together, genuinely. Okay. Not a bit. I have not seen this. I'll let you react to it first.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Okay. I want to give some identifying information. This is by Jim Victor and Marie Pelton, a couple from Pennsylvania. Their chosen medium is butter. Butter. And Sophie, will you unveil the sculpture? Very delicately from the, I mean.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I don't know if I've ever felt the feeling that I'm feeling right now.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
It's hard not to think that this person is more handsome than... Me. I should probably reveal for the audio audience that my staff has commissioned a butter sculpture of me.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
The texturing of my hair, I want to say, I don't know if there's a better, I don't know if bronze can do what butter is doing right now. There is a bit of a... I'm smizing, I think. I got to come over. Yeah, let's rotate the microphone for... How do I get this over there? I think you can just rotate it this way.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
This is f***ing incredible. Like, it is covered in butter. This whole base.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Touch the sculpture. Touch it. Jerry and I are touching it, and it's legitimately dairy.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
It's legit dairy.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Do you have a mustache? I do. In this, I have what I aspire to. I have the mustache of my dreams. Butter Me has the facial hair I desire. They were generous with a healthy serving above my upper lip.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I do. Yeah. I look like I am more in charge than I feel day to day. Have you ever evaluated a butter sculpture before?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I want to get to the idea that you as an authority on art and art criticism are also somebody who is online. The reason I started with your password is because you're also somebody with a giant, a legitimately... thriving community around your online presence. How do you describe your relationship with social media?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I mean, if you were to display it.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Jerry's going to take a photo of this.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I'm staring at myself in the glass. You are? What do you see? Next to my butter self. There. If there was no one else around in this room, there's not a lot I wouldn't do to this butter sculpture of me. Butter me and I would explore each other.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I feel like something good has happened that I don't entirely want to celebrate, but inside... You have to celebrate this. Inside, I am overjoyed. In my eyes, they're telling a story. What's the story being told? These are the eyes of someone who is encountering... Maybe this is literal. Maybe this is figurative, Jerry. They're encountering their first prostitute.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
In Jacksonville, Florida. And they're thinking to themselves, I think it's time.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Mostly that maybe you actually can buy love.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Jerry Saltz. Thank you. I'm going to remember this day for the rest of my life.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
I mean, what you're describing is stuff that might be found in museums, right? It's great art. This is like high art.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Other than that... Let's cross out my will there be time travel question. Yeah, see?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But as for the other questions that I had prepared to ask Jerry Saltz, who is again, simply one of the most respected authorities in the entire world of art, you should know that the premise for this episode first came about because the highest honor that sports bestows upon an athlete or a coach is in fact a work of art, a statue.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
a statue which, as you may have been reminded recently in the case of, say, Dwyane Wade, is not always as popular as the person it seeks to honor. And so I wanted Jerry and his Pulitzer and his three honorary doctorates and his decades of criticism to basically serve as PTFO's unbiased and completely overqualified art critic, as you'll see in a bit here.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
But first, I think you need to understand the origin of his truly incomparable point of view. I do want to establish that you yourself, I mean, is it were an artist? Is it a present tense thing? How do you conceive of yourself in that definitional way?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
That is so far all true.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
And yet in that story, that deeply bleak story that happened to you in Jacksonville, Florida, there is a lesson for me. By the end of this episode, I will determine exactly what I should take away as a lesson from your streak of prostitutelessness.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Are we rolling, Chris? You want all of this. I unfortunately... Okay. We'll start again when you're ready. No, we've started. Okay. We've started, if that's okay with you. Oh. The thing that I didn't realize until just a second ago when you walked in here is that you don't know your own password to your Instagram account? Yeah. Do you know yours? I do. What is it?
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Interrogate's a great art critic word, by the way.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
Yeah, I want to actually jump in on that because as an artist yourself, I do want to reveal that I've done a minor bit of research, Jerry, into your oeuvre. But I jump in to say that you won the National Endowment of the Arts Grant. Right. You were in museums. You were reviewed in art forum. You were in galleries. Yeah.
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PTFO - From Ronaldo to D-Wade: Athlete Statues, Reviewed by Pulitzer-Winning Art Critic Jerry Saltz
So I want to get to the idea of envy, but I also want you to describe to me what you were making such that maybe those feelings were bubbling to the surface.
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I just got to Google to make sure that this is a hypothetical right now. Hold on real quick. Jesus.
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I'm just making sure that this is not a trap inside of a trap. What are you texting? I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. Cut out the part where I had to Google anything. I'm going. I'm there. Of course I'm there. He's the most popular person on a show that is... Soon to be allegedly dearly departed, that changed my life.
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And Woody Page, even though he used to steal my FaceTime topics during the show after I used to say to the producers, I do feel like I owe him a debt. And it's a literal debt because my daughter is going to a private kindergarten probably next year. So, you know.
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I might be performing at it. Technology.
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I mean, look, sorry about David Sampson, who will tell you all of the ways in which he is going to actively.
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Give me an and I'll get a sense of whether I can truly, yeah, be entertaining enough for you while also preserving my own human dignity. J.A. Adande. Oh, come on. He's awful young to die. This is all of the Around the World panelists? Yes, J.A., I... Look, yes. Clinton Yates. Can I go? Can I leave now? Tim Kalashaw.
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Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)
No, he'll be there just for the celebrities. Where am I on the seating chart? I mean, that's the thing. If I get a plus one, you know. All right, goodbye.
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Did we get our first no?
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Yes, yes. Honestly, if I got to give a speech at Vivek's funeral, I would consider it. So on my show, we have a story today that's very interesting. It's how in living color. you know, the TV show. Yeah. How it changed the Super Bowl halftime show forever. Yes, it did. Super Bowl halftime. Amin, okay, Amin maybe knows some of this story. It's incredible. It is an incredible story, yeah.
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Oh my God, it's 1992. Wyatt Cenac was a guest on this with Sarah Spain. We had a lot of fun reliving this. Wyatt wanted to make an in-living color documentary. Couldn't do it, but we got to get What he found out, which was some of the inner details of how a 1992 Fox dared to steal audience from CBS, which was doing a halftime show that was emblematically horrible.
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And I'll save the details for you guys to lick, to click and lick, I guess. But it's it's remarkable how we owe a debt. to the Wayanses and David Alan Greer and Jim Carrey for birthing like the biggest piece of cultural real estate in America.
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Married with children. The Simpsons.
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Just know that the following year, the NFL was so threatened, so threatened that, A, we have no idea who even bothers to compete anymore because they followed that horrible halftime show, which you should watch. It's in the episode with literally Michael Jackson. Like they were like, we got to bring out the nuclear weapons. We will never be embarrassed by sketch comedy again.
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I would like to know his VORC, Value Over Replacement Commissioner. We should have analytics about this. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying we should debate this. We should debate this in the way that we debate athlete contracts.
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Goodbye.
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Yeah, I do like that Cam Newton is now like an ombudsman character. I just appreciate that. I like his hats. I like his journalistic curiosities. I'm into it. The thing that he is saying, though, I mean, look, Amin is fundamentally right. Like, of course, these are lawsuits where people are afraid to comment because there might be further litigation.
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They might get sued themselves or be liable for stuff. I get it. Not the same. But but the notion that cams at with like, hey, this is humiliating. You make us talk about this. Why don't you talk about it? You could have put in another example. And I think the point would have been well or better made.
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There is a bit of a hypocrisy when it comes to media people not wanting to answer tough questions that we would expect. out of the public interest, celebrities in general, to have to answer. And now, Dan, to your point, the fact that everybody is a public figure, the fact that everybody is public enough and interest, the bar on that is so low because everybody is interested in something weird.
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Okay, well, maybe there's an audience member who wants to know the answer to this question. It's as messy as you're painting it. I think the distinction between you're famous, you get paid a lot of money, Therefore, we can hold you to account to tell us how it felt when you did something publicly that was embarrassing. It's just not about athletes.
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It's not about celebrities, actors, Hollywood people. Everybody now meets that qualification. And so, yeah, it's uncomfortable. We all everybody in talking to microphones should be uncomfortable that someone like Cam Newton wearing that hat is going to be like, you should feel the way that I feel.
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Well, I think one basic thing that an athlete, for instance, could be frustrated by, understandably, is that we know everything about how much money they're making.
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That's true. We know all of the details. And in fact, we know them to the point where we argue about it and how they don't deserve it. And in reality, right, like again, and the excuse had been, I mean, you know, this again, having having explored such cap sheets. The example was justified because they got paid so much.
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And and and I just think that the thing we're trying to bridge all of the time is when do you have so much economic, cultural celebrity privilege that you get a higher degree of scrutiny? And I think there are just a lot of people around who actually don't want that. And shouldn't want that.
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And if they knew that this was maybe going to come for them, wouldn't wouldn't want the athletes to have it meant protecting themselves. And I happen to be one of them. So, like, yeah, it's uncomfortable. But then you go into the realm, Dan, of like, hey, sports is different. And then we have to just we have to just explain very carefully why we think sports is different.
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And maybe there's an argument there. I'd like to make it, but it's an increasingly less persuasive one.
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Yes, I think. Look, I think the immediate hypocrisy, right, is not. And this is where I would push back on Cam, I guess, like the real the real beneficiaries of the unequal treatment between athletes, let's say, and other people may be similarly situated, increasingly similarly situated. Is it media people? It's all it's their bosses.
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Like, you want to know, I would want to know, hey, your front office, what are you guys getting paid? Right? Like, it's uncapped, number one, typically. It's a fascinating thing. What would you spend on executives when there was no restriction on how much you could pay them? And the Goodell thing is maybe the most flagrant one because the answer invariably ends up having sticker shock, right?
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It's like 50, fact check me, please. Jeremy, I trust your journalistic ethics. Please tell me what Roger Goodell has been making the last couple of years.
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But can I I do want to make the case for why sports and athletes do deserve to be held to a degree of scrutiny that is higher than just, let's say, again, the average citizen. I mean, it was hard. I remember Naomi Osaka, the tennis player, of course, basically making an argument.
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I fundamentally feel not just uncomfortable, but I feel that it's unfair that I Naomi Osaka gets scrutinized in my most like emotionally harrowing moments after a defeat by people who are just trying to picket the bones of my life. It feels mean. It feels cruel. It feels unfair. It feels, in her view, I think institutionally like just wrong. And I do have an argument against that. Right.
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Like the whole point of performing in public fundamentally is that you get the benefits of the crowd, but also the pain. Like if we are to consider what you do important, people are going to care enough to dissect it. And at a certain point, adversarial questioning. And again, there are lines, of course.
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And Dan, as a columnist, you know, those lines where it's too far, it's too mean, it's too invasive. But generally getting asked hard questions that, by the way, you can say no comment to or you can evade it however way as many as Derek Jeter used to all the time in New York. You have the right to do that. But the questions should be asked.
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I'm not saying that they shouldn't be held to a degree of scrutiny. That's crazy relative to an average person. I just think that it's fair for them to then say, well, what about everybody else who I think would fall under that same criteria of public benefit and therefore public pain?
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Yeah, I'm curious about that. Sorry to interrupt. Dan, how do you feel about that? Like the locker room reporters out of their dynamic?
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One of the funniest things is when I went to cover some Final Fours. I was in Houston covering the Final Four for Sports Illustrated a zillion years ago now. And it's the one place. I don't know if it's still the same way. Maybe someone can correct me who's been more recently.
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Oh, Dan. Oh, my God. I was sitting in front of Drake. Drake and Vince Young were behind me, and I was like a fact checker at Sports Illustrated. God bless how they used to respect us.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
85, that number had doubled, now half a million fax machines. And now it's journalists, it's doctors, it's lawyers. It's that scene in Back to the Future 2 where old Marty McFly gets fired via fax.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And so in the era before the internet, before DocuSign, before all of this, there was this question which I did not appreciate because I was a little kid at the time. But everyone seemed to be asking, which was, what's your fax number?
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Wait, I don't know this.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
That was our home number.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
No, no. It's right here in the city. It's the same as 212. They just multiplied it by three. And then they added one to the middle number.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
according to this book, faxed the rise and fall of the fax machine. Americans were faxing, quote, pizza orders, song requests, party invitations, greeting cards, ski reports, amniocentesis results, baby footprints, children's drawings, vows of eternal love. I had forgotten that this was not merely a business machine. This was people enjoying the novelty of communication. It is magical.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
You send a piece of paper in one room and across the world, it shows up in another. It is pretty f***ed.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
You've Got Facts is a very different rom-com. Agreed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, wouldn't work at all. Now, in sports though, the business that you worked in, there was one national holiday that to me is the encapsulation of the centrality of the fax machine.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
We had a box in this studio yesterday and the cleaning crew, our great cleaning crew here in our building, threw out the box containing like the headset because they thought it was trash. They're like, this can- It's being disposed, this relic. This must be a box containing like rotten fruit or some sh**.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And so National Sports Facts Day was a thing where Phil Knight, co-founder of Nike, would sit in the football office at Oregon, his alma mater, on signing day and just stare at the fax machine. So- Deliver us. Deliver us our next great star. It got to the point, I mean, Ole Miss, they were obsessed with this. They had a Canon IR C3080, and they had a play in their playbook called Fax.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The Wall Street Journal reported that at the University of Miami, the fax technician, this is a quote, didn't show up until the morning of signing day. Sure enough, the machine broke down after the first couple of letters, causing the staff to scramble to get recruits to send their letters elsewhere. End quote. It was not merely ceremonial.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
This was actually like the legal procedure to actually register your commitment.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And if you didn't have it, if the machine was broken, you got f***ed. And to be very clear, this is not a hypothetical scenario. Because our journey into the history of faxes and letters of intent led us to this guy.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
In 1996, Darrell Price was a blue-chip running back who had verbally committed to the Ohio State University. And all he had to do was fax his letter of intent from his home in California to Ohio.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Faxed, delivered, paid, done. That lady at that convenience store had officially turned the page on Darrell's life. But after he left the convenience store, something felt kind of off. Ohio State's coach, John Cooper, at the time, had personally recruited Durrell. And, by the way, OSU, a powerhouse, had finished top three in the nation five years in a row, which was awesome.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
But now, as Durrell headed home, he was thinking about how far Columbus was from his neighborhood in the San Fernando Valley. He started thinking about how nearby UCLA had also been recruiting him.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Right after this ad.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And that is how Darrell Price wound up at UCLA.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Must have hit a preset. The spirit has now taken over.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
A whole other episode in our ongoing series of technology. Can you imagine losing out on that prospect because you're a fax machine? He couldn't figure it out?
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
One addendum to that story, Jay, as we both are laughing at John Cooper and Ohio State, is that his mom was right, apparently. It was not the last time this happened to Ohio State, because 20 years later, National Signing Day 2016, coaches were waiting on their final commitment. This was a big-time recruit, a wide receiver, and the Buckeyes fax machine ran out of paper. Wow.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Oh. Oh.
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Right.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Communications etiquette. And now it's just like, here's a JPEG out of nowhere right into your brain that I didn't ask for.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The reason I brought you here really is because of the most famous fax in the history of faxes. Certainly sports faxes, I would argue faxes in general. And it happened 30 years ago this month.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Hey, Mikey, we like it. Not a huge surprise, but clearly one of the great comebacks since Burt Reynolds' hairline. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
This was the same thought that everybody from Bulls fans to Bill Clinton in the White House was talking about and thinking about aloud.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And there's just this one clip from The Last Dance, of course, the docu-series made by our friend Jason Herr, which was about 500 minutes long. But there's this 30-second chunk of this specific moment in which we hear from David Falk, Michael Jordan's longtime agent.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
And tomorrow's. Whoops. The brother in Telefax. Whoops. 1570 MC.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
So the behind the scenes of just the crafting of this document, when it comes to the call that David Fox's office is going to make, Paint the picture there. What's happening from their side of the transmission?
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
They failed to anticipate the internet, PDFs, email, all that. Didn't quite anticipate tomorrow. J.A. Adande, head of Northwestern's sports journalism program, my friend and colleague from ESPN, also longtime sports writer, just inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame last year. Congrats, by the way, on that. Thank you. That's pretty cool. That was pretty cool.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
Yes, the following statement was released today by Michael Jordan through his personal attorney and business manager, David B. Falk, chairman of Falk Associates Management Enterprises Incorporated, FAME, in parentheses, located in Washington, D.C., in response to questions about his future career plans.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
He and his agent Bernie Lee just did it as their whole squabble with the heat was unfolding this year.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. It came in a two-word statement, which is now just begging to have a Nike campaign built around it. Quote, unquote, I'm back.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
This is one of those historical sports stories to quote now Marshall McLuhan, where the medium was the message. These are pale imitations, J.A., because what Allison had to do, individually sending it to every outlet one at a time that arrived in their offices unbidden, shockingly.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
The quote that she gave you in your reporting, it wasn't like sending a mass email.
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PTFO - The Fax and the Furious: How One Screeching Machine Upended Sports — and Society as We Knew It
There's no BCC. It sounds like a horse and carriage is what Alison Sadowski told you about her memory of what happened when she got out of the shower to realize, oh my God, I'm about to become a historical character they talk about 30 years later this month.
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But what happens on Sunday, again, you said it was Saturday, setting the scene again. It's Sunday, March 19th, 1995. And conveniently, it's the NBA on NBC.
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Oh, right.
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The Avengers of sports columnists.
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Today, an artist returns to his true canvas, the hardboard courts of the NBA.
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Michael Jordan is back. you know Thank you.
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Thank you.
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The fax machine helped me get there. Did you thank the fax in your speech? I should have. What do you feel when you're now communing at this table with this machine that I haven't seen since the 90s?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Just, like, the visuals on this. We are inside of the underbelly of a brewery. There's a giant... Is that... What kind of metal is this? Just, like, very big aluminum sounding. Hi. How's it going? Uh, I'm Pablo. We have a fax machine that, uh... Your name again? Nikki. Nikki said we could plug into a phone jack here.
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We're faxing a guy named David Falk. This incredible hospitality from Torch and Crown Brewery. Holy . John, you're a mensch. The machine is telling me to please wait. Just in case you were wondering what this fax said. Quote, for immediate release, contact Pablo S. Torre, 513-85-Pablo, New York, New York, March 27, 2025.
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The following statement was released today by Pablo S. Torre through his personal friend and business manager, Pablo S. Torre. Host of Pablo Torre Finds Out, also known as PTFO, located in New York, New York, in response to questions about the future of fax machines. I think it's working. Oh, it's working. It's alive. It's alive. It's beautiful.
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Quote. We are so back. End quote. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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All of which was essential to how sports and journalism worked.
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This studio is a time machine today. We are traveling back in time. Do you remember the relic on our desk here? I do.
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And this Chinese family saved your journalistic ass that night.
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For the kids out there, this wasn't just an American phenomenon. This was global.
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This is, she is, well, I guess he is, the brother and telefax 1570 MC from, I believe it's a mid-90s vintage. Ooh, the sound. Those beeps.
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Until now, 33 years later.
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The degree of difficulty when it came to filing something, it's truly unrelatable to people living in 2025 that you had to go through all these hoops and all of that.
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Because it was not the easiest thing to make what feels now like the most automated part of this actually happen. Do you have memories of fighting this machine? Of like struggling with the premise of this machine?
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You saw Francis Ford Coppola, director of The Godfather, sent his agent a fax that he could not refuse.
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This machine here, though, I mean, by the way, this is, for those wondering, not watching on YouTube, this is a Chekhov's fax machine situation. We are going to fire off a fax by the end of this episode. I promise to do that.
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So from Francis Ford Coppola to Michael Jordan, down the line, what we're here to do is tell the story of a machine that shaped the history we all know, even if we never really appreciated it. how good we had it. And also, I think it's going to take us back to a time that we wish we still did.
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The haptic sensation of pressing a keypad on a... And again, this is... Yeah, reach over there. Yep. It feels good. We don't do that enough. No. We don't dial.
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The history of the fax machine, I don't know if you've become familiar with the deep dive that we have personally been doing here at Pablo Torre Finds Out. But you can trace a line back to 1924, and there's this guy, an American, named Richard Ranger. And Richard Ranger invented the photoradiogram.
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And what he did with this photoradiogram was wirelessly send a photo from New York to London of Calvin Coolidge. That was the first fax transmission. It all starts with that. And then 1966, to fast forward, it's Xerox, and they introduced the Magnafax telecopier. And this is the thing that connects to any telephone line within merely six minutes. And you're willing to pay the long-distance toll.
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Do you remember Almost Famous? There's that scene where Rolling Stone wants William, the protagonist, to send his story to the fact checker.
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Oh, my God. That is now the mark that people are trying to improve on. So 1974, we're down to three minutes a page. By 1980, and this is, I think, the big globalized revolution, the Japanese make this commercially viable. And at this point, by 1980, there are approximately 250,000 fax machines in the U.S., And they're being advertised. There are commercials.
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pressed a button. When was the last time you beheld a 15 by 15, eight and a half inch high gray device that was essential to your former life? was instrumental in my childhood memory. And also, this is not a joke. We bought this on eBay.
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actually did very clearly say, I'm gonna miss this and then missed it.
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He's like the opposite of Babe Ruth.
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All of these guys on a relative basis are themselves like sideshows. These are... Relatively speaking, Scrubs, Kobe Jodes, Kristen Thompson this season, Beaubon. These are circus acts in a circus promo just having fun off to the side, basically.
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I now am remembering how Giannis, you know, won All-Star MVP and decided to celebrate in the way that you are alluding to.
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your enthusiasm to talk about bricking for chicken. Yeah. And the resistance you have faced around the sport that you know as well as anybody. Explain why you've been eager to talk about this for people who don't know what any of this even is.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner. And yet, none of this has to do with the promo that we're talking about, Amit. So this is his love of chicken in general, but what about how he's interacted with the incentives that we're dissecting?
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It's such ridiculous video that I'm overlooking the fact that Giannis just had a cell phone on the bench, by the way.
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But okay, so granted, fair. But in terms of his personal at-the-line performance, not as a spectator, right? Not as Marcin Gortat, but as somebody with something to lose or, in this case, win. How does he do?
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So as we think about who you got here, I will simply say that Teofimo Lopez is absolutely electrifying, Canelo Alvarez has never steered me wrong, pretty much, and Naoya Inoue from Japan looks like the next Manny Pacquiao, which is the biggest possible compliment that I personally can pay a boxer. And so, if you are new to DraftKings, you're going to love this part.
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So now we're at the tabs open on now both of our computers. I'm trying to run through the research here that you've assembled for a term that you dropped on our audience as if anybody would know what the you're talking about. Yes. But chicken eligibility. Yeah.
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Right. You've created a helpful graphic here. Chicken-eligible, parentheses C-E. Any free throw where a miss on that individual shot would result in the activation of a chicken-based promo.
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You're moving us from counting stats now to... Efficiency.
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Of course, of course I must agree with this.
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So just to over-explain this, CCR is the rate at which a player will miss a free throw with chicken on the line. Yes. And so Giannis Antetokounmpo, when it comes to his conversion rate, when he's chicken eligible, I mean, is what?
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8 out of 10 times, Giannis is converting free chicken for the crowd.
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Yeah. That's pretty bad.
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Yeah, but he's also a bad free throw shooter, though.
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Famously, people count down. Crowds are mocking him by pointing out how long he takes to shoot a free throw.
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Even that guy you're saying becomes that much worse when there is this incentive at stake. It strains credulity.
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It strains my credulity that you know to pronounce credulity.
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But this is where I just need to continue to channel the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference and point out that the theater, and it is convincing theater, graphical theater, full of lots of terms. The theater you're giving us is kind of small sample size theater. Like, I'm looking at the graph. When you say 80% and I say 8 out of 10, I mean, we're talking about 10 shots here.
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So you land in Phoenix, you land back home, and the Bucks are visiting. They're the road team. There is chicken in the air. But you want to go ask questions, journalistically responsible questions, of the person that we are theorizing about. How hard was that?
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He has a reputation, if you're not familiar with the reputation, that he doesn't, for all the videos we played, doesn't actually like giving time to us journalists.
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That was an episode of Severance. You're running down hallways that don't go anywhere.
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I mean, to clarify why the thing we alluded to before, we actually did need to do here, the doctoring, the voice modulating, the blurring of this secret video. Why is this so secret? Why aren't we seeing and hearing what you heard and saw?
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The question you asked, as soon as you articulate it, which we did hear, the implication becomes... Wait a minute, I should answer this very carefully and perhaps not at all.
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This is where, as I was hearing what was transpiring, I was like, Oh, so the Giannis that is the most vocal global ambassador for chicken in this regard is the exact opposite. Right. And the general, by the way, the flavor around even the champions of chicken. Like, I mean, it's worth pointing out too. Eventually... We here at Palo Torre Finds Out, we reached out to Marcin Gortat.
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And his response was what? How would you describe that?
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With the like sweat bead.
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Dot, dot, dot, gridded teeth emoji.
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So Giannis doesn't want to touch this. The people that we think would want to touch this actually do not at all. But there is a game that night. Yes. And so what happens when the ball is tipped?
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Right, F-O-W-L.
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At his chicken party. Yep. Is back.
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I mean, again, rational brain wants to enter the conversation, okay? So as much as it's a signal that something that is total proof of your theory is happening, I mean, like, that was a two... I'm looking at the score. That was a two-point game. The Bucks badly needed this. The whole theory that Giannis is being incentivized because of his love of chicken and because of his love of...
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frankly, humanity, the theory that he's doing this on purpose, I mean, again, they need these wins. I mean, why?
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Wait, you're saying that Giannis Antetokounmpo has been using chicken the way Elon Musk has been using money to win elections?
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It is a shock. I did not realize that. That is actually quite shocking.
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He's campaigning across the aisle.
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We're now, we're firmly in the realm of trying to climb into the mind of someone who does not want us to see inside.
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I mean, I guess I can totally believe that you have dragged me to this point, but it's time for us to make one more call. So the very first thing that you need to know about the guy I'm about to call here is that he is Giannis' older brother. One of five Anadokumbo brothers in all, four of whom, by the way, have made the NBA, which is its own incredible story.
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But Thanasis Anadokumbo, crucially, is the only Anadokumbo brother to have played alongside Giannis. Thanasis was a third stringer when they won a title together in Milwaukee in 2021. And the two are so close to this day that Thanasis still lives and works in Milwaukee right alongside Giannis, whom he calls his best friend and his partner.
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And so while Thanasis' two-time MVP winning brother would not take a call from Pablo Torre finds out, most especially during these ongoing NBA playoffs, Thanasis, I was told, actually would. Because Thanasis and I also happen to share something very important in common. An incredible affection for the truth.
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And this is a lesson, it turns out, that Thanasis has been heeding at home with Giannis and in locker rooms around the NBA, and also now on his own podcast, which he titled Thanalysis, which is, you know, a pretty good name. Gotta admit. And so at this point, I just decided to ask Thanasis straight up about the truth behind Brickin' for Chicken.
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I felt that in Mike Breen's loins, by the way.
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Which you may now recall from earlier in this episode with Amin, when we talked about that game where Giannis somehow had a cell phone on the bench, was trying to scan that QR code off the Jumbotron to get free chicken alongside everybody else in the building. And this memory got the Nasses thinking about a different game, actually, from a few years ago in Atlanta.
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Was any part of you, Thanasis, if you were aware, if you were aware of the free food you could have given that city, is there any part of you that was like, man, I wonder what it would feel like if I missed the second one.
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Well, this is the thing I'm fascinated by is that the crowd is trying to root you on, but the opposite, right? They're actively trying to get you to miss because the free food thing is a magical lure. What I'm curious about is whether you're aware of how much free chicken your brother Giannis has won people around the NBA.
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In the past two NBA seasons, Giannis has had 10 chicken-eligible free throws. Okay. Okay? So this is the second crucial free throw with chicken on the line. We call them chicken-eligible free throws. Okay. And he's had 10 of them, and he has missed eight of them.
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He is the league leader in chicken eligible conversion rate. No one has given the NBA more free chicken in that way than your brother. He is the Robin Hood leader.
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What's just funny is that, like, the love you get, though. So we went through and just watched what it's like when you miss... the second free throw, and you do, when your brother does, what you refuse to do because you sank that second one, man, it is like they would have voted him for president. It's an amazing thing. Even though he's not American.
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We're living in crazy times, man. That doesn't really matter anymore. We can do whatever we want. But here's the funny thing. I am now curious. Do you think there's any part... of your brother in his mind, deep in his brain, that is hearing the applause and is thinking to himself,
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So the argument you are making here is that Brickin' for Chicken is changing meaningfully the course of basketball games in a way that has even exceeded the whole novelty, marketing, sponsorship kind of design of it.
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The statistic I have to follow up on that, though, to continue this investigation, is that we also tracked...
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yannis's free throw percentage when it came to other types of food that were on the line and promotions okay so the non-chicken foods okay non-chicken food eligible free throws over the past two seasons yeah with non-chicken eligible shots he made five of eight five of eight he doesn't want to give people bad product he won't he only wants to give him
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I don't think there's a bigger truth you could tell, Thaddeus, than what you just said.
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Thanasis Adedokumbo, a true truth teller, thank you for solving a mystery that I can now finally have some peace about. Put the rest, okay? Man, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Anytime. And at this point, there was only one thing for us left to do. it was time to summon our intrepid correspondent back into our studio for a piece of something else.
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So Amin Alhassan, I just have one last thing to tell you, which is that thank you for not bricking this assignment. And as your reward, We got chicken.
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Yeah. The least shocking twist of this story is that both of us honestly are f***ing starving. Bones?
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Honestly. Flavorful. I get it.
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Sometimes all we got to do is say thanks.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The inflection point, the cliff. Clearly. The cliff that the heat fall off is directly overlaid onto the moment when Chicken was up for grabs.
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Business nirvana for the NBA. Also, I am told reliably, a business nightmare for Meadowlark Media, which has funded, truly, a new high when it comes to the we-paid-a-mean-what-to-investigate-what-the-fuck graph.
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Let me just close out all the windows on my computer. How many tabs do you have open on a given day? Eight billion.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a risk that I was expecting to have. Didn't expect it to get this dangerous this quickly, though.
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If you're looking to add something special to your next celebration, try Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. This smooth, flavorful cognac is crafted from the finest grapes and aged to perfection, giving you rich notes of oak and caramel with every sip.
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Whether you're celebrating a big win or simply enjoying some cocktails with family and friends, Remy Martin 1738 is the perfect spirit to elevate any occasion. So go ahead, treat yourself to a little luxury, and try Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Learn more at remymartin.com. So this is a, in other words, psychology experiment that we're watching play out.
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And I want to get into the minds of the players. I mean, you promised me entree into the psychology of NBA players who have all of this at stake. But in terms of how this works, this stunt originated, where does that begin?
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Yeah, the old let's just throw all my laundry in a different room. When your tabs look like LeBron James' Instagram stories after he wins a championship, it's time to acknowledge you have a problem.
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Which is a hard thing to do over 43 years when you're selling the Washington Wizards.
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No matter what. Where the business side, where the basketball of the Wizards lose side is protected. And also the Chick-fil-A side gets what they want.
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It's funny just to remember how, like, golf works. Mm-hmm. and golfers hate when the crowd is interfering with their rituals, how their sport has always operated. How did the NBA react to, yeah, a bold stunt like this?
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I can't believe you've been on this assignment for us, that your life is like this, by the way.
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Did Martin Gortat actually get the chicken he was promised?
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We'll come back to that a little later. So I do want to point out something about pro athletes, which is, yes, all of them can afford lots of Chick-fil-A. Yes. But there is something about watching a Polish-born NBA player with, like, a Zangief Mohawk just, like, enter into a room in America full of free chicken that feels like kind of the dream he was promised.
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We've been arguing already about, can we even show the footage that you've collected that I have not even seen yet? And I don't know if legally we're allowed to, but we'll get to that, I guess. But like we're talking about blurring and voice modulating. And this is sensitive in a way that I did not presume when we assigned you this.
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He has a new nickname. He has a new identity that I now will think of every time I think of Colby Jones.
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Hold on. So you are alleging that these NBA guys, because of this incentive structure with free chicken, are betraying their franchise by taking— free chicken and giving them to the people.
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Okay. Now, in the case that I know you are trying to build, there is clearly also just some guys trying to spin their own failures into something positive that they can then, you know, make jokes about.
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I thought you might say that you thought that I might say that.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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But the list of people who deserve a private jet, number one is Red Panda.
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So just to keep the counting.
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We've already talked about a prodigious amount of vomit, an alleged assault. Alleged? And then also the mascot of a school that is presumably based on the guy who makes the decision on whether you go to hell or not in St. Peter's.
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But the West region, Roger— Sorry, we derailed you in ways that are now too difficult to summarize.
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I can't stop laughing at your general suffering.
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I am now realizing that this is what I had previously only known as that trash can team.
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So just... This is post-game and dude walks in and everybody is already in ceremonial.
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Yes. It's a little violent. The towel being snapped repeatedly only to set up the elbow drop.
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That's like Deion Sanders sh**. No one does it like her. She's a star. Should be a Hall of Famer. We've tried to crusade for this. We continue to crusade for this. It's a pablatory topic for sure. I mean, she's just the greatest.
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So how did this start though?
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We're just, we're just whipping these orphan.
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This is a real, by the way, just a tremendous reclaiming of trash can beating that I thought the Astros had just totally monopolized. And they're like, there's still, there's still meat left on the bone inside of this trash can.
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You know, I don't know what happened. I'm going to guess that they eventually also beat that trash can though.
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The East region, Roger, as you spin the globe.
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So that's a kangaroo next to a giant letter A. Yes.
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I can only imagine that zip is involved, but no.
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I know zero other facts about the Akron Zips.
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The BF Goodrich Company is what this Wikipedia page is instructing me to point out.
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Yeah, I mean, West Virginia has a literal coonskin cap-wearing, rifle-toting man.
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So Chihuahua guy, for those who are not familiar with Chihuahua guy, the Chihuahua does what?
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As established.
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I had not thought about this statistic, that the Delaware Bluehands and the Akron Zips have the only explicitly female mascots.
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In men's basketball, yes.
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The amount of reporting that has gone into these observations you've made is genuinely kind of breaking my brain.
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Right after this ad.
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There's something in there. I'm not... Well, anyway, I don't want to... Don't look at me. Sorry. Ever since I found out that the kangaroo was female, I've gotten really uncomfortable with my observations about the kangaroo.
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The Sugar Bears.
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The guy is the course.
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Which is to say that you are picking the Akron Zips to upset Arizona in the first round.
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Let's take your blimp south. Roger.
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I've only seen the guy. As the course.
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They were D2 last season?
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Well, all I got in my mind is, you know, the Little Mermaid.
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I just applaud them for avoiding a lawsuit despite the similarities to this.
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I cannot possibly interpret that clip as anything other than an allegory for Lucy talking to her dad at a North Carolina-Iowa basketball game.
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Before we get to that, Prince Eric, also, I'm filing a retroactive lawsuit against you. Yeah, what's the age gap there? Age gap has got to be huge.
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That feels like the most realistic part of the male-female dynamic depicted.
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I don't know what Atlantis' age of consent is, but we are picking UC San Diego to upset Michigan. The Midwest.
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I would like to see a North versus South side of the bracket now that you mention it. I'd like to re-litigate that in every possible facet of American life, including this tournament.
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How bad are we talking?
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It's a reasonable inquiry. Has any granny actually shot granny style as we watch? Yeah. Yeah. So this dude is large, I should say.
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The patron saint of granny style.
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An inspirational tale of a mentor and a mentee.
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Christian Stoynev, Illinois State graduate, 2013. You know what's— And Scooby. Scooby is the Chihuahua? Scooby. The Chihuahua that sits atop the physical human platform that is Christian.
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I think this is, I mean, if there's any ambiguity around how different college basketball is from the NBA, Just know that there is a center who is shooting 28% who hired a personal consultant who clearly was dying to be asked to do this. Yes, he flew for California. No one calls Rick Barry to do the thing that Rick Barry has been waiting for someone to ask him to do.
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We've optimized everything.
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Wofford over Tennessee is the pick.
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Lucy, you guys have been simpatico for most of this taping.
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But you have a take, Lucy, that I want Roger to hear. So proceed.
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I agree.
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Now, you say that, but we were looking at this photograph, and this— Oh, we lost that game. I mean, just to give the visual on this, Lucy, who looks to be 15 1⁄2, is wearing an Iowa No. 1 jersey. Yeah, we were No. 1. Right next to you, though, well, to your right is a guy who's not nearly into this to anywhere close to the degree that you are. But to your left is, who is that?
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It is. We don't really think about that, but you're totally right. You're totally right that on the calendar, when it comes to monetizing your dog, it's your— Your talented dogs. That's right. It's talented dog season.
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What does that mean?
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High production values on the costume.
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Does he like Elvis?
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What a job, though, if he didn't.
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I'm just trapped in a prison of my own devising.
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That does feel like when the mascots of two different schools who are also the same mascot but slightly different do encounter each other.
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At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, we go around the room and we say what we found out today. Roger, would you like to lead us off?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I found out that your friendship, Roger and Lucy, can survive anything. Even possibly a macho waterfall of Lucy's vomit.
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I also found out that the actual North Carolina ram has enormous balls.
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This computer has seen a lot worse.
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I mean, I just want to thank BOFA, you guys, for joining me. This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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Roger Sherman, Lucy Rodin. I am not somebody who goes on the road anymore in the ways that I want to. But how would you mathematically add up how much time you spent at college campuses over the last year between the two of you?
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Lucy's frowning at her cell phone.
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One time feels, based on the total opportunities, to get various stomach viruses. Not bad, yeah.
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Was it a Tracy Morgan at Madison Square Garden situation?
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I am told, so I conducted a brief investigation. I am told sources close to Tracy Morgan inform me that he is okay. Okay.
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You've got Tracy Morgan sources? Roger, I got sources you never even dreamed of. That's incredible.
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Not quite courtside at the garden.
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Share and tell. I apologize for laughing.
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One quick question. Is there any chance because it was so green that people were like, that's not vomit?
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Oh, man.
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Which is all to say that in the time that you guys hung out together, Roger remained unvomited upon.
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This is the journalism that we all aspire to.
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Tough, tough scene. So this is the time when we contemplate. Yeah, the cosmic celestial fates of the teams on this bracket. They gave us paper brackets. We have paper. I don't have a printer. We have printed out paper brackets.
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You guys have spent so much time around college students, college athletes, that your interpretation of how this is going to go from a metaphysical level is actually news I could use. And Roger, I feel like you have done, as is your want, as is your Substack's whole deal, a genuinely insane amount of research. So how do you assess the four quadrants on this bracket?
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No.
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So just for the record, though, so like Duke and Cooper flag. Who? Not interested, but the fact that Cooper Flagg's mom is very angry at Carolina. I love her. Lucy is already making noises.
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No more hopes and dreams.
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Those got vomited out in a Nissan Sentra.
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You do realize when you're doing the Lucy 16-year-old voice, it's literally the same as Lucy in the present tense voice.
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You look 15.
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What? I'm sorry. I got assaulted. I feel like I am responsible for retroactively filing a police report. So here's how that went.
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Right. So in other words, quote, a big F you to the entire Carolina fan base for being classless a-holes.
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Our investigation continues.
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I find it very difficult to disagree with your rankings of who's the bigger a**hole based on your personal experience.
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I was assaulted. Roger's writing down notes on his breath.
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I'm going to cross UNC off too.
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Red Panda absolutely does not have a private jet.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on. You're saying this is the real-life Ram? Yes, yes, yes. With anatomically, like, just in real life.
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I once went, so I used to cover the NCAA tournament for Sports Illustrated all the time, and I remember going into a bathroom at a regional, And into the bathroom, as I was at the urinal, walked Ramses. And he went into a stall. And now I realize if I had peeked into that stall, I would have seen some... Some things.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think I took a photo of this.
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That might also be illegal.
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Yeah, real, like, Disneyland Mickey Mouse smoking a cigarette vibes.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
I think there might be a Tony Award for Greg Cody later on this year, by the way.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
The Tony Show, Tony Awards. A gala.
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By the way, he is so back. Love his blind host, him and his wife. They're doing a great job. A wife, not so much.
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Travel, obviously, for wherever they're coming from. First class, I'd imagine.
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You guys don't ever get, you get these, like, little glasses of orange juice sometimes. I would be insulted if they gave me this and I said, hey, let me get a glass of orange juice, and they hand me this.
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It would be in a smaller glass is my point. Fill it up to the top. Okay.
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No, it's too much. I did. Stu, remember you went to mine?
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
Greg, how about more of like a renewing of your vows, right? You guys do it big, right? Right. You and Erlene, all of a sudden, it's like walking down the aisle just like it was in 1974. Yeah. Right? And you look back and you see Uncle Dick there, still your best man.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
Like eight years? No, you can't do it on an odd number like that. Even though it's an even number, you can't do it on an odd number. It's got to be like 25 maybe?
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
I could see Tony doing it. He'll do it tomorrow. Me and my wife have talked about doing it. Taking everybody to Hawaii, doing it in Hawaii on the beach.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
You have cute what? I call her Bebe. Really?
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
What does she call you? Bebe. Oh, okay. Sorry. The same one.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
There you go. Don't love that as much. She calls me Roy. That feels like you're perpetually in trouble, though. If she calls you by your first full name, like whenever I hear Anthony, I know I'm in deep trouble.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
And Jumpin' Charlie. That's your pet name right there.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
Do they have cars? What? Do they have Canadian cars? They have a Hyundai.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
Yeah, but they don't have like a car that's made in Canada, like a Canadian car.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
No, no, no, I know, I get that, but we're calling them American cars, but are there Canadian cars? I think there are. I believe, yeah. What is it, like Kia from Canada or something? No, that's South Korea.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
That's what I'm saying. There's no car brand that is a Canadian car. They use our stuff.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
It's almost like he doesn't like farting, right? I think that's the issue.
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The Big Suey: Letting Greg Cote Cook
But Dan, you're like Lance Armstrong. You're like blood doping. What's going on here?
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Stay over. No. You know, when you're the coach of the Jaguars, maybe go to the restaurant that has your name in it. Never do anything Urban Meyer style. You have no room for the Holy Ghost. David, when you're the president of a baseball team, how much were you saying no to stuff in the flow of a season when it came to special treatments?
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What's the most absurd ask given this array of possibilities that you hated to get because it felt like way over the line but was very common?
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You got a ham. You got a cheese. You got a little Capri Sun.
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So just to spell that out.
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Wait, wait. You developed a citizenship test for someone's relationship.
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So, again, this is a difference. You said I want paperwork with a level of just arousal there that I just feel like.
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So I was going to get to that. I love you, Mickey, by the way. We certainly believe that less than we did before you said that story.
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I was going to wonder aloud about the bottom line performance criterion of just, hey, is this guy actually just worth it, right? He's still hitting. He's still the guy we need to give the ball to at the end of the game. LeBron, again, famously, just to add another example from recent history, remember when Phil Jackson got in trouble for the posse comment? Mm-hmm.
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He got in trouble because he was objecting to the treatment that LeBron was begrudgingly given by Pat Riley, who was running the Heat, because LeBron got to dictate his travel schedule. His friends, like his business partner, Maverick Carter, as well as his other associates that he wanted to bring along.
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He got in trouble because of... He used the word that felt like it did not reflect an understanding of the legitimacy of those guys and also the racial history of America in general. All of these things are true. Thank you for clarifying that, Dominique.
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But the point being that he's LeBron, of course.
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Yes, I'm talking about player empowerment, right? And what we're really talking about is superstars getting to dictate terms in a way that reflects their understanding of the scarcity of their talents.
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All right. It's time for me to take the wheel back. There's another story, David, that I thought of you when I was reading it because it is titled, The Allure of Microdosing Ozempic. So there is a whole, and Dominique is giving a face that I think is the right reaction when I say, David Sampson, I thought of you when I was reading this story.
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And the subhead is, some people are taking tiny amounts of weight loss medications, hoping to drop pounds while avoiding side effects. Does it work? And the spoiler alert on this is that there is no real solid scientific consensus, but it does seem like there is a community of people that is seeing benefits from this in a way that feels both encouraging,
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because it speaks to, again, the way the body's chemistry and the science of both weight loss and hunger are actually shaped by levers we can pull, but also seems like it's too early to spike the football. We've solved the problem of people struggling to lose weight. And I think of David, Dominique, because I don't think a lot of people know this necessarily.
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And David, forgive me if this is not the intro that you wanted, but weight is something that you personally have learned had to reckon with, despite the fact that no one would look at you and say, that is a guy who is struggling with weight.
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And David, when you say you were sick and had a disorder, that was the way you lost weight. What are you describing there? Just so we can bring people into this conversation.
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That is the work of a structural engineer. That's a build? God damn. I told you. I don't lie to you guys. And that in some ways is its own concern. The share and tell topic I brought with both of you guys is this Juan Soto topic. And there is a part of the John Heyman reporting on this. He's the guy who's been on top of all of this.
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Hold on. Hold on. David is clearly comfortable enough to want to talk about this. Okay. I have a real conversation in real life with David. He can vouch for this. And then I'm reading all these news stories and I'm like, wait a minute. This is something that I want to talk to Dominique and David about because David is as described. I am somebody who has had an incredible metabolism.
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And Dominique, I've shared this with you, but it's really just me calling myself out. You know, it's like, oh, wait a minute. Am I pre-diabetic now because I'm not eating healthily? Which is the thing that I have, by the way, last blood test, I've gotten out of it for now. We're all pre-diabetic. I know. We're all day-to-day, as they say.
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But the point being that I am feeling as a dad, like when David said I cover my stomach with my arms, you may notice on the YouTube or DraftKings Network that I was also doing that for the same f***.
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reason and i am realizing my metabolism is is done and i need to figure out uh my own issues with like how do i look in public and dominique is of course a former professional athlete whose physical health has been something he invests in in a rigorous way and so here we are three legs of a f***ed up tripod and i just wanted to revel in that for a second we reveled
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David, the word you use, which I think is appropriate, and by the way, I do want to acknowledge, right? Like, the reason I find all of this especially interesting is because we are dudes. And this is typically something that women, of course, are socially conditioned to be horrified by. And we've seen many movies about that. This, I think, relatively less so, which is why I want to lean into it.
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But you used the word before, which is dysmorphia. And I think that is a good word for this because it of course describes a feeling of profound unease or dissatisfaction, but it also indicates that there is a misalignment of reality and perception.
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And so when David is the guy, David, who is analyzing a table of hotel key cards with numbers, and he's a guy who is examining a stadium and picking out every little flaw and making sure it's right, it does track that you would turn that same gaze onto yourself.
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in a way that indicates, even though you're the guy who also, I don't think you've said this explicitly on this show, this bluntly, you're the guy who once ran how many marathons and how many continents and how many days, right? Seven and seven and seven?
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I feel like that sort of proved my point actually, the one I was gesturing towards. But David, the point being that of course you're also that guy. You can't turn it off.
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He tends to be on top of Scott Boris represented athletes, if you've been paying attention to the game within the game. But he has great color on this story, David. And so I just want to read a part of the reporting. Of course, Juan Soto, now a New York Met. They outbid the New York Yankees. The Mets paid $760 million over 15 years, a record price. All that stuff is true.
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I feel like we should go with a bit of a holiday spirit topic. And I want to know the best and worst gifts you guys have received.
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David, you give him a prompt. He's like, got it in a second. And it makes me think that he has contemplated every question I've ever asked anybody ever. This is not rehearsed.
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I did not prep you guys about this.
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I believe it's called mens rea when it comes to the criminal law. What is the motive here that you have diagnosed?
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I do love that the guy who can't stop paying attention to the most microscopic detail is given three years in a row the same gift again.
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So I agree that, and I was going to pivot to sort of how gift-giving in adulthood as a parent has been so much not about me anymore to the point where, like, I can't remember, but... I want to go to the Sega Genesis thing for a second because that feeling of like unboxing a gift is both something that I, on some level, am chasing, even if I don't totally know it.
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And I know that others are because the most popular, of course, genre, one of the most popular genres on YouTube, of course, is unboxing videos in which you're watching other people unveil their gift. And so there is just something about that feeling of being a kid, getting a present, and the promise of this is exactly...
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It's the promise of your emotional needs will be satisfied by this material possession. And over time, that has been worn down to such a raggedy nub. But at the time, as a fellow Sega Genesis haver, I remember that exact Christmas of being like, oh my God, this hedgehog is going to make me happy. And it did for a while. And now as an adult, I'm like you, Dominique, I am not a good gift giver.
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But it seems like one thing the Yankees would not budge on, which was startling to me, was the inclusion of a suite, a luxury suite. Quote, the Yankees felt they couldn't give a suite to Soto as part of this deal. When Judge, Aaron Judge, pays for his suite, and even Derek Jeter paid, they were willing to discount a suite, but not alter their precedent.
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I am a self-gifter where I'm just like, okay, I feel like- If you want it, you buy it. Yes. So the worst gift I've given is the gift I gave to myself, which is I am one of the idiots who bought the Apple Vision Pro. Oh, there it is. Me and David Sampson, both raising our hands. We bought the VR headset.
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Amazing. First off, we should talk about re-gifting. But how many times did you use it, David, before you decided to re-gift it? It was unopened.
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It was bad for the goose. It was traumatic for the goose. It's goose shit, but it's a goose nonetheless. I don't think we necessarily agree on the meaning of this idiom.
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I don't... Did you guys ever do the thing where you gave... I remember giving my mom this.
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Yeah, I knew you were going to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You write a custom coupon book, and it's like, I will clean my room. I will, whatever, not play Sega Genesis. And you would tear them off and hand it to your mom. Ever think, David, you're familiar with the coupon as a... Creative project?
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What happened at the party?
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I think that's it. I think that's it.
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I was going to say, it's rare that the control room weighs in through my ear and just says, David is bumming everybody out.
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Meanwhile, Steve Cohen, one of the 100 richest men in the world, apparently, quote, didn't give the suite much of a thought. When he has his eyes on a prize, he is singularly focused. And so Juan Soto got the super duper duper star treatment. And it made me think about the ways in which there is, in fact, levels of superstar treatment and gifts and benefits and privileges.
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What did we find out today, guys, on this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, an episode in which we found out, I think, a lot of stuff, personally. Yeah. But, Dominique, do you want to lead us off with the revelation that you have developed here today?
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I found out that both of you guys are bad at finding out because all of those things should have been obvious from episode one that we ever did together. Oh, man.
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I invoke superstar privilege. The show is over. Get the f*** out of here. Thank God. See you later, guys. Thank you. Love you guys.
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And both of you guys happen to have, I would say, personal viewpoints, I assume informed by your roles in your past lives.
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Yeah, it feels vague and fluffy.
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I think it's interesting, though, that Dominique's brain went to a place where mine did, which was, there is something, though, about the furniture that you have to see every day. There's something, David, famously, Barry Bonds had the double-wide locker as well. There is a list of examples. throughout sports history.
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I mean, Giannis Antetokounmpo, you might say that Thanasis, his brother, just being around, him getting the other deal. Is that a benefit, like an extra wide double locker?
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What I find so interesting, David, also just to sort of characterize this. It's interesting to think about this as a zero sum game, right? Like in terms of real estate roster spots, there are only so many of these that can be given out. And so someone is actively not getting something if the super duper duper star is getting it.
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And your view in terms of a guy who had to worry about, okay, here's the payroll, here's the composition of the clubhouse. Your view was how often was that challenged by this privilege?
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How was he on the culture? How was he phenosis-like in terms of impacting the culture of your clubhouse?
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I don't want to relitigate Bronny, but Dominique, as somebody who played in the league, how obvious was it on the teams you played for that actually there were guys who were getting stuff that you guys could not dream of getting?
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Yeah, Joel Embiid, I was going to say, famously just got in trouble because Tyrese Maxey was calling him out, allegedly, reportedly, for having the temerity to show up and treat time as a construct. Was it mitigated or unmitigated? It seems like it was increasingly mitigated. Yeah, yeah.
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Do you guys ever do a joining room slumber party?
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Oh, man. What'd you get? What's your custom build? Yeah, what do we got? Can we guess? Can we guess? You won't be able to. What? He has such little faith in our ability to predict David Sampson's whims, Dominique.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Yeah, my guy.
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Castle.
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And then I went blank. The world is waiting for this, obviously.
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I just like the idea of just like it's you and a bunch of people throwing some stuff.
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So you're being tested.
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Wait, just to explain this, though. So Tom Brady would tank a throw to test you whether you're paying attention. Yes.
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What's the biggest difference between a baseball player and a football player? When it came to how you learned about their wiring and their methods?
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Someone's not trying to actively murder them at the moment.
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Is that right?
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Why are they afraid of the baseball?
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I want to get to the larger trend that we're seeing in baseball, which is velocity. The average Major League Fastball is 93.7 miles an hour now. I mean, I'm old enough now, Tom, to regard that as nuts. It's crazy. 94 is the resting. That's mediocrity.
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Did you ever think that we'd get to a place where, I'm looking at, again, the statistics here, that five pitchers last season would average 100 miles an hour?
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What does it mean?
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So myelination, I am now realizing when you say myelination, it is not referring to miles and mile per hour. It is M-Y-E-L-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Exactly. The process of forming a protective insulating layer called myelin around nerve fibers in the central and peripheral nervous systems, obviously. Yeah.
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Is velocity at this point, now that it is achievable in ways and to a frequency that is kind of mind-blowing, does it feel like it's overrated?
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The ceiling, though, is 118.
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Yeah.
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Did you ever do steroids, Tom?
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Yeah, I was going to say, let's turn the camera around the other way now. You're at the plate.
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You're moving faster than your brain can actually articulate the thought.
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Just fact-checking Greg Maddox, for instance, a guy you worked with who is famed as the craftiest.
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Right. So the Randy Johnson thing, just as a matter of comparison, right, his whole architectural advantage is that he could release the ball because of his height and his wingspan closer to home plate.
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She's his bodyguard at that moment.
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Exactly. I didn't realize that. The guy there with the long hair and the big 70s goggles on. Shooter's glasses. Shooter's glasses. Did that guy have a sense that he would become the greatest authority, the greatest, most respected thinker and coach on the subject of throwing things in the history of sports?
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They knew what was coming.
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Yeah, various pitchers as well as birds learned that.
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So when it comes to the competitive advantage that arises or diminishes when everybody's throwing faster and faster, and Greg Maddox, for all of his craft, is glacial in comparison, what does this say about the future of the soft tosser? You coached Jamie Moyer.
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So the innings eater is suddenly even more valuable now.
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You turn Tim Tebow into a baseball player.
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Regrets, reflections.
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What did you learn working with him about what it means to do your job?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Could you turn someone like Lamar Jackson into a pitcher?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So I'm just gonna assume that you have no clue who the man I'm talking to is, but what I need you to understand is that to be a quarterback or a pitcher at the highest possible level is all about precision physics under public pressure, which is, in other words, a marriage between mechanics and mind.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So the similar question, right, of could you turn Paul Skeens into a quarterback?
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No. But he throws a football. Of course he does. As part of his training program. This is a speed round now. Do you think Shohei Ohtani should keep pitching?
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No?
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What are you seeing there?
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But the pleasure, did you watch him and- With awe. Self-evidently, unprecedented. Right. But you're saying- for his own long-term interest.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So by this point, I think it's clear that I could talk to Dr. Tom House and mine his brain for takes on the future of sports for an extraordinarily long time. Tom, the more I think about it, was a pioneer. He was using science and regressions and video analysis to evolve the art of throwing, melding it truly with rigorous psychological study, turning it all into a science
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
And all this was decades before the value of that scientific analysis became self-evident and omnipresent in some form all across sports. But the skill Tom has that is even more rare, the skill that so many data nerds still can't hack their way around, is the thing that I consider his real gift. The gift of communication. Thank you.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
And so when the best throwers in the world need help with that marriage, what they do is make a house call.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
because Dr. Tom House is the only psychologist who is also a major leaguer and also the author of 22 books, a man whose clientele spans both football and baseball, from Tom Brady to Greg Maddux to Drew Brees to Nolan Ryan to Andrew Luck to Randy Johnson to Tim Tebow and on and on and on and on. And typically, Tom House is a background character in the lives of these very famous people.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Thank you.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Thank you. Thank you.
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Not unlike that video of Hank Aaron that we showed you. For instance, you may have missed Tom House being name checked by Eli Manning when Eli went viral for imitating the hip thrust routine of Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott on ESPN.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
But when I touched base with Tom recently while I was out in LA, what I found out immediately was that Dr. Tom House is in a different mood these days. At age 77, he is finally ready to fire off some takes.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
And so what I wanted to do today was climb into Tom House's brain. I wanted to find out why all of these elite athletes, including the kids, continue to trust this weird PhD who likes teaching his pitchers to throw footballs, for instance, and whose own fastball, if it can even be called that, could not crack 85 miles an hour at Tom's peak.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
Oh, man.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
The superlative, Tom. The superlative that you deserve is the foremost expert on throwing in the world. I do, though, before we get to throwing, want to start with a time you caught something. Okay. And as a way of introducing you, I presume you have a general guess as to which day of your life... It would probably be April 8th, 1974.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
That's like having Michelangelo come by and say, by the way, you're pretty good with this paintbrush.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
What was the moment in your career when you began to think, this isn't working out for me the way that I hoped it would?
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Yeah.
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Yankee.
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Walk off.
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There's a quote from Don Zimmer, manager of the Red Sox, your old boss. He said, quote, I think a lot of his problems were mental. He wanted so much to do well for us, it seemed as though the harder he tried, the worse he got.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So you get a PhD in sports psychology after you retire from baseball. Right. Your career as a left-handed pitcher professionally is done. You go to grad school. And that part, you had what kind of reaction from your folks?
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
I want to speed run through a very long and colorful and frankly insane career. But you get to the Rangers, you get the position fundamentally of guy who's supposed to help these pitchers learn how to throw. And you do weird shit.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
The throwing the football thing. The idea that here were the Texas Rangers looking like morons throwing a football on the field before games. Yep.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
What flipped? When did that begin to get buy-in from both the team that you worked for and then broadly?
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To look at Nolan Ryan's statistics on baseball reference now is to be reminded what the last five years of his career looked like. And it's to marvel at how the he got better.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
I don't have Nolan Ryan as the guy being like, I would like the PhD. nerd with the glasses to tell me how to do my job.
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PTFO - House Call: Why the World's Best Pitchers and Quarterbacks Seek This Man's Advice
So the guy who was at home played with those glasses. wears these goggles in this role, but now you're Professor Gadget.
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That's what they called you. Yeah. And so it's the biomechanical stuff. It's the footage you were collecting, the analysis you were doing, the regressions that you were running. This was the 80s and you were doing this.
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I understand that if you're going to trace this, right, Nolan Ryan to Randy Johnson, and you go down the line, and your tentacles extend all throughout Major League Baseball. And I understand how that happened now. When does the football thing, at the highest level, become another part of your business?
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Small windows.
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The back story.
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Get Cortez's throat back on the Zoom and open that up real wide.
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This is going to get... You're a bathroom profiler.
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Oh, my God. You sent people to the lobby? For sure.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
What did he say?
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I've been seeing photos. The last Dans, I've been calling it. Whoever wins, we lose, I think, is what the Alien vs. Predator movie poster used to say. Also applies here, potentially.
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Sure. In a... In any other timeline, the idea that a president tried to make a sports reference and face planted would be otherwise not symptomatic of a larger trend. Agreed. A troubling trend insofar as the background of that video, which, to Chris's point, I did not do a great job of setting up. Play. He surrounded...
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He's surrounded by girls, young women, for what the C-SPAN, Chiron describes as the no men in women's sports executive order. Speaking of telling people to play and to not. It's a ridiculous thing.
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workplace it's a ridiculous thing uh... and i say that because uh... look i'm i'm at all times with what david referred to as the transgender i'm trying to be somebody who you want to hear from even if you think i'm going to be the guy who was in the tank for one side i'm not in the tech for one side i'm just here to remind people that when you say this is a deeply unpopular issue eighty twenty a winner
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for the GOP, 80-20 a winner for the mutated Republican Party, which is true. Just please stop pretending like Democrats had been shoving this down people's throats. The idea that everybody, everybody on the left was so pro-transgender that finally Donald Trump is gonna stand up to the big bully, it's just not what was happening.
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Yes, and the good news is that there have been rules regulating participation in sports on the basis of hormones, testosterone, which is, look, an arguable debate. Sure, we've done episodes about it, but they've existed. There have been regulations the entire time. There are fewer than 10 college athletes...
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who are trans at all, meaning that we're debating issuing executive orders, fearmongering about less than 0.02% of the population while also casting that population as the bully.
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The most effective straw man of all time.
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It's in 80-20, Izzy. 80-20, it's a winner. And I'm not disputing that. It is a winner for the Republican Party. What I'm saying is that this is something that I can't abide by because of a misrepresentation of the reality of it, right? I'm not saying that it's not unpopular. I'm saying that we here who have cared about this issue saying, actually, let's consider this population of people.
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There are photos of the crowds.
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Let's consider that if they were to go through with these regulations, these hormone therapies to decrease their competitive advantage conferred by male puberty, if they were to do all of that, that they deserve a right to play. What I'm saying is that people who have been saying that and believing that, like me, have not been
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platform to the point where everybody is saying, let's celebrate the trans athlete. It's been a relatively lonely journey for those people in particular. And so for those fewer than 10 people who are just trying to participate in sports, them being cast as Goliath, as the bully, as the big bad wolf by the president surrounded by these women as props, it's insane to me. It's just insane to me.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Roy, there are so many legal pathways shooting out of this, Title IX being one of them. And I guess I even hesitate to go to that point because I want to make the argument even more basic. The boogeyman you have created is not an actual concern. And it's just the most overblown political issue of our time.
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All he's been doing while Elon Musk has been doing the actual work of being president has been
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There are consequences to them. I am just saying this is the theater of this is this is first take. This is Stephen A. actually being very qualified for this part. I can sign an executive order now. What about me?
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
There's a reason why he's not going through Congress. One of them is because it takes actual work of governance. Another one is which another reason is which he does not have a huge majority in Congress. He is a very narrow, like the thing that I am frustrated by is just the way in which we have lost any sense of proportion, right? The smallest population of helpless people
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who are contemplating suicide at a rate of one in three are the big bad wolf. That's who you should worry about, those people. Meanwhile, the victory that Trump won, again, it's crowd sizes, right? The whole premise of this is he won so overwhelmingly that this is what the people wanted. He's just doing what they wanted. Look at how much he won by.
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We are misrepresenting basic statistics all of the time. And it's infuriating to be purely just on a counting level. We're really just going to eat all these lies.
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So look, I think there's a the reason why it's been really hard to talk about the trans debate
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in the context that David is trying to get us to is because it is a bit over nuanced thing we're talking about a tiny population of people and therefore if it's just gonna be a tiny population people less than 10 college athletes why are we prioritizing them and losing it 80-20 issue as they say and what I'm here to remind everybody is that the point love
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rights in this country is not that it's a popularity contest it's what is right or wrong and at the same time david i want to acknowledge when it comes to the terror alert scale of how worried we should be about anything because it's a relatively small population what's happening say to us aid is something that yes we should also make room for if we're gonna power rag
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The actual levels of concern, while also noting briefly that USA is also 0.2 percent of the budget. Right.
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But there's a through line here, Roy, right? Here we have in USAID and the trans population of athletes, two groups that are relatively very small.
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But budgetarily... USAID is 0.2%.
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I'm mentioning them in the same sentence because what we're doing here... is forcing nuance into a false binary. It's not either or. What we're saying is USAID, 0.2% of the budget, also massively impactful for every foreign relationship we have, for all of these people who got into it for the right reasons. For everybody with AIDS, everybody with HIV around the world.
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For everybody who's affected by disease globally, it is a massive catastrophe. I am also saying that even though there are less than 0.02% fewer, I think we'll agree to disagree, percent of college athletes who are trans also worth considering.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
It was obvious back in whatever year that was, 2018, 2017, with the bathroom bill in North Carolina. It was sort of a test there. It's like, hey, my base, we can agree men should go to men's rooms and women should go to women's rooms, ladies' rooms, right? And yeah, but then that one shockingly sort of failed for them. So then the new one was, oh, boys should play boys sports.
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Girls should play girls sports. Let's protect our kids. And that one just hit like, you know what? And so it's just been obvious what's been happening.
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But this is why it's in the same breath right now. It's because what Donald Trump and what this administration is doing all of the time is celebrating that they are defeating the bullies. The bullies in this case are trans athletes, And they're the workers trying to get people AIDS medication, who are actually a tiny percentage of the population he's trying. David, it's a numeracy thing.
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I'm walking you to a place of agreement. I'm walking you to a place of agreement, which is... Oh, God.
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A natural segue from D.C. politics to D.C. basketball. Well done.
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I never read those. I just ignore anything like that when they talk about pick swaps.
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28 grand a year. I want to cross the streams here, right? So Elon Musk is sending all of these people, these programmers in to get into the budgetary software. What does the budgetary software of a pro sports team look like? So far, it's Amin. So far, Amin is the budgetary software.
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He doesn't love it. It's just a way to get out of whatever situation he's in. Come take a photo. Okay, now leave. He doesn't have to talk that way.
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But is there a guy who's just yelling at some underlings and the underlings are the people actually keeping track of everything?
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What a massive front office you are. Everybody gets an underling? The underling to overseer ratio at this college is fantastic.
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I'd love to talk about that. Does anybody else get excited when a means like New York accent slightly comes out? It's the best. Like when he says all, and I'm like, that guy's cooler than he's letting on. Because the New York accent, I think, is the coolest of all the accents.
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I think he actually loves being with people. He would rather have 1,000 small talk conversations. than one conversation. He feels the gratification from the fans. No, it's legitimate. At MAS every year, he does this.
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You don't think that's a cool voice? It is good. But when you have a New York accent, you just get away with saying things that other people. Sasha Malia, I think. Michelle definitely thinks. People can't get away with. All right. You say with a New York accent. You're mad corny for that. You say that with a New York accent. You sound cool as hell. I can't do the New York accent.
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You sound cool as hell. Say that the way I just said it, and you sound like an idiot. You're mad corny for that, Pablo.
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It's funny because... I grew up in New York and I don't have that accent. So I, I felt that actually hypothetically and realistically. Right.
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You can't be a hip-hop artist with a Southern accent, but with a New York accent. Oh, come on.
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There is a study recently that I wanted to cite here. About accents? Yeah, it was about British accents and how we consider, of course, all of them, any British accent to be of a certain, you know, stature, right?
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I would say that to the untrained American ear any British accent no way is a sophistication I Would tell you right now to the untrained American they've never heard of a Geordie What is a Geordie? What was that?
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That's a good one. You need to put that one in the Rolodex.
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I'm looking at the differences, the socioeconomic connotations of different British accents. And Amin is right. This is a thing. This is a thing.
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Yeah, look, there was a study that tested how these things sound. Right. And I'm going to get to it in a certain way. Okay.
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Take your time.
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I just know that... I like how the one thing we need reporting on is our own companies. Which we don't have clips on for some reason.
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David was mad that we hadn't said the word Super Bowl.
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I'm just going to read the chyron on first take. What will the Super Bowl come down to?
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What I would like to tell the NFL in this moment is you got to earn it.
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I'm just saying, I'm happy to not talk about the heat, trust me, but the NFL, so far Dan looking like a couch is the number one story coming out of New Orleans.
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Hour 1: Limited Fake Stephen A. Smith Runs For President
Look at that picture. It's like that Always Sunny where, you know, Danny DeVito's climbing out.
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Or money. Well. Always. I have a couple questions. What decade do you have to be from to know what the Snoopy dance is? Also, Pablo, why do you think that people think you're a food delivery person?
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That's not true.
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So he's growing an Eric Estrada.
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More of a Joe Pesci guy than Daniel Stern.
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I'm just glad we got Roy in here. Roy got lured out with... Hot ice.
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Got a couple presidents in here, too, if you need them.
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What does old Donald Trump believe about Stephen A.? Who does a good Trump here?
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Not terrible is a real binary equation you're giving approval to.
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There's a lot of Trumps.
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It's a McLaughlin and Associates poll. Kamala Harris is still leading the pack, 33%. Pete Buttigieg, 9%. Gavin Newsom, 7%. Stephen A. Smith, 2%.
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Some people, I'm reliably informed, write books to go on the speaker circuit. Of course. Like that's the actual game.
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Does anybody do a George W. or George H. Bush impression?
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Can we talk a bit about the thing that we saw at the White House yesterday?
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I didn't see anything at the White House.
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I want to show you, actually, I want to show you a clip that caught my eye. If we can play, play something that Chris Cody is very cleverly. There it is. Very good. And play.
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I just want to be very clear about this. This is not a political take. Donald Trump does not know ball. Donald Trump does not know sports. He's around sports. He has spent money on sports. He shakes hands with people who play sports.
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That is him looking at Senator Tommy Tuberville and saying, you're the guy who coached Patrick Mahomes famously. We all know that.
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This is why I bring it up. This is what's happening. Again, I'm not trying to do a political argument here. I am just saying this is happening in one million different ways across all sorts of stories that are not actually anything this dude cares about.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
That was the mistake.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But the thing Amin just referenced, perhaps hypothetically, was actually a thing that I am told was happening in Philadelphia. Yeah. that Josh Harris, his kids were being made fun of because the Sixers were that bad.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But the real people... living real lives thing not on paper, typically that was an argument made on behalf of the players on the team, which was missing, I think, a through line from the two episodes we've done of this show, the two days we've done, which is follow the money.
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The owners are the ones who have these pressure points, whose incentives should be different from the people they employ to run their front office, right? They're gonna be around in 10 years, but the people they pay to run the team statistically are not. And so the question is always, what's your time horizon? How long is this going to take?
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Will the people who you pay to be the stewards of your organization act as if they're the stewards of a future or a present? And the conversation right now about like in the NBA, has it ever been cheaper? Has a first round pick ever felt cheaper? Right. Like just like the market value right now.
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But it's a funny thing, right? Mikael Bridges. Right? Five first rounders. Rudy Gobert. Go down the list. That is an example of people saying, take our future.
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Which teams, which markets allow that? That is a key part of that privilege.
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They're betting on themselves.
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Well, and that's where I mean, again, when I talk about markets, right? Oklahoma City versus Philadelphia. Yep. Like we're talking about, when I say who has the competitive advantage, David, of I'm in a market in which the pressure point is not gonna feel as painful.
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But I think the argument has been the argument from Philadelphia to a means point and to my experience has been owners tend to overestimate their rationality and they underestimate how much it sucks to be made fun of.
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Yeah, the opposite of feeling embarrassed. No owners feel embarrassed, though.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
But David, David, David, there are some exceptions to, I think, your point, which is, in general, these guys are living great lives. The team tends to outlast all of the temporary news cycles. They get to be a steward of the thing that is wired into people's childhoods. But then, of course, I think of, I don't know, what's it like to be John Fisher? What's it like to be, at the time, Dan Snyder?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
What was it like to be Josh Harris when the Sixers were tanking? What's it like to be these deeply unpopular people who get booed? Jim Dolan!
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Pablo brought this up. He's trying to lead the show. No, the point is a good one that Amin and I have been raising. The mistake has been, the mistake, look, the question is why are decisions made and how? It's because people tend to have a market inefficiency when it comes to, ah, you can feel embarrassment.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Our mistake was asking David Sampson to be a focus group on what it's like to feel embarrassment. Yeah.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
You are the person who feels the less. That's a good stew laugh. That's a pretty good stew laugh. Or funny Marco. Nobody feels less embarrassment than David Sampson is my point. I do not feel embarrassed.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Overpaying though is, I'm with Izzy. I do not think this is an overpay. I think this is an example of one team needing one thing, another team needing a different thing.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Did you Google World Series Trophy Polishing Company? How did you figure out?
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My only surprise is that David Sampson did not demand to be in the room so he could watch his trophy getting polished. What?
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That's a horrifying. In a towel? Dear God. Definitely not in a towel. Wearing only an apron.
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Wait, I just want to process this.
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Sometimes when I go to a friend's apartment building and I'm carrying food that I brought over, I am asked what restaurant I'm delivering from.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
There's a penalty for this?
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Yeah, major asshole.
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You've got the little device there. You're in charge. All you have to do is hit the button. You don't have to ask permission. White woman, white guy. It's not a white guy thing. Why is it a white guy thing? Sports ownership mostly. CNN. Oh, wait. Other menu. Oh, my God. There's another menu.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
And why should Charlotte feel good?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Yes, yes, yes. This is, by the way, to bring it all the way back around to our frustration as to why Kevin Durant didn't get traded. Right. The Phoenix Suns have been the number one example in sports history of saying all we care about right now is the present. Everything else. We will take a payday loan from Danny Ainge. Take three first rounders, whatever it is. Right. Give us that.
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We'll give you everything. such that 2031, basically we're behaving at the Phoenix Suns organization as if the apocalypse will come in 2030. We'll all be wiped off the planet. It's the global warming theory, just it's happening in five years.
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They're denying reality.
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The Suns are catastrophically run. Their owner, we've done this, of course, on Populatory Finds Out. We did an episode about Matt Ishbia, about how he runs his organization. It is uncoincidental that he runs his organization like someone who is familiar with mortgages. He is the mortgage king of America.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
I mean, look, the details are in the piece. It was lawyered, and for reasons that are, I think, going to be obvious to you. But in terms of timelines... He has run that team like he is going to disappear in 2030. And this raises many questions. But one of the questions I have is, is it the case now, motivated by Jeremy's observation, Amin, that Kevin Durant actually was too good a soldier?
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
He needed to be a worse soldier. The bad soldier theory of getting what you want. He needed more Jimmy Butler in him.
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I don't want to get into the weeds of explaining what that is because it's just I guess the summary is it's an even more punitive tax on top of the tax teams used to pay. But what we're saying is that this rule has changed the economy of basketball transactions.
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Please, please explain.
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So what you're saying is that maybe. OK. All right.
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He was pitching something, I bet. There was... At Radio Row? I came in with the stated goal of having more fun than everybody in New Orleans. We're a split squad this week. And I don't know if we can have more fun than Stu Gatz was having fake laughing. That's Sean Stilato, agent for Tommy DeVito.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
I know, of course. Look, Cortez, is he here yet? Speaking of attention-seeking gas bags whose throats I want to hear noises from Cortez. Go on. Yeah, that was not a great intro. There you are.
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The Big Suey: Polishing David's World Series Trophy (feat. Ryan Cortes)
Where's your PJ Tucker jersey?
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He's doing stuff. What I can't get over is that when Cortez is, what you're doing is moving around revealing that you're not in Japan.
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I do love those glasses. The glasses are an incredibly effective upgrade.
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It started with Hero, though. I'm sorry, Cortez. I spent most of this week reading your posts, and they were all about how, you know, Pat Riley doesn't have it. Jimmy Butler, you were on his side. This is, come on, man.
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I cannot believe you produced my show.
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All I'm seeing is Ryan Cortez tweets from 2022 where he asks, at KDTray5, have you ever had a guava pastelito?
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This is ridiculous.
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Cortez put on these circular glasses and he woke up trying to be level headed. And I just am not. Look, I am. The one thing I am not today is fooled by Ryan Cortez.
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Can we get him out of here? I don't want this anymore.
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Nobody, can we get someone in Miami who will just admit to feeling the deep fear of irrelevance? The deep fear that we are not going to care about talking about this even a fraction as much anymore.
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We're going to be talking about, you guys got to manufacture gin up PJ Tucker and Andrew Wiggins takes.
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No one cares. The Lakers have pulled off a deal. By the way, okay, I have another question for everybody. Raise your hand if you knew who Mark Williams was before he was traded to the Lakers.
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Which is kind of what Anthony Davis was saying. Hey, can we get someone to play center so I don't have to?
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It does depend on the question of how in shape is he going to be going forward.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
No, there's a good, I like this. I like the gradations of the terror alerts. That's a loading red for me. Gradation? The gradations of I am cleared to say this. I have been told. I am hearing. Source is close to the situation.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Look, it is true that you guys both know things that you don't say aloud. I often am the beneficiary of those things because I then get to launder it as my own sometimes. But what I want to point out about... Oh, God, Cortez has just texted me.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Have you guys even mentioned PJ Tucker yet? Bro, we got PJ bleeping Tucker back. Put the town on alert. Cortez is basically that guy in the video we just played. Oh, behind the bench? Yeah. Certainly not Kevin Love. But that guy, do you think that guy knew? Do you think that guy knew, Chris, that he was about to go, again, one of the great clips of the NBA season? It's also inaccurate, correct?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Are we saying this guy choked? He had a moment in the sun.
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The power that he had to control news and information to freak out the entire Miami Heat.
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I was already excited to be in Miami. I am so excited to be in this room with these specific people we have on the show today. It's going to be... David, I don't want to set expectations too high. But when I tell you that... God, I sound like Dan when I say when I tell you... What am I supposed to do with all this? What I find interesting. I can't. What am I supposed to do with all of this?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
I think it's, well, actually, a fair question. If you're on the Miami Heat right now, Jimmy Butler, the temperature of this thing in the locker room has mostly been communicated through Kevin Love's memes on Instagram, in which it's conveyed to me, they're not freaked out, they're joking about it. What does it actually feel like, do you think?
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Who won this trade with cardboard Pat Riley as my witness?
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Stephen A. Smith is polling in actual polls. For a candidate, a Democratic candidate for president. And that's not what we're doing to lead the show. Just to give you a sense of it. Is it not? We're not. We're not going to do it.
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At some point, we're going to explain aprons. Sure. It's a thing that you wear when you're cooking.
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Our merch store has failed in not offering aprons, NBA deadline aprons. I'll wear that. I don't want to see that. Just an apron and thongs. An apron and thongs. By the way, that's a Wednesday. I regret so much that has happened already. I regret the question I asked who won the trade. Really, what I wanted to know was who lied to us?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Was there a lie told? I want to know. There was Jimmy Butler. There was Bernie Lee, Jimmy Butler's agent. There was the Miami Heat.
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Who's lying? The agent. The agent is always lying. So what did he lie about? And was he lying... successfully to the point where he got exactly what they wanted.
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So this is not a culture story. No.
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Okay, but this is an interesting dissection of what a lie is, because I imagine Pat Riley, is saying, okay, you didn't say it, but you were pretty much making us feel like this was on the way.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
You don't risk it. But I mean, to your point, part of what I want to wonder about here is whether Jimmy Butler and Bernie Lee are good at this. The idea of like we're so unpredictable and volatile that we might just get out of here as soon as you trade for me for all that stuff.
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Is this a strategy or is this just exactly the right temperament you need to scare teams that are increasingly desperate for talent?
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Jeremy is back, and I don't know why. Am I allowed to talk? Do you have a song? Are you allowed to talk? Yeah, there's a song. You're allowed to sing. Chris?
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The emergence of executive producer Chris Cody is a subplot that I was not totally prepared for when I got here. But he's in full bloom. He's heat checking. Yes.
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Have to anyway he did call he did call what I presumed was Yeah, a pretty intimidating bluff, but uh I guess yeah, you're what I guess Jeremy's been saying for weeks.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
What is the propaganda spin here for the Heat?
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You were just saying that Jimmy Butler getting paid $100-plus zillion by the Warriors was something that he could feel good about because it wasn't the Suns.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Where were you, Chris? I want to go around the room. Where were all of us when we found out? And let's get Pat Riley in the room, by the way. He's not here. Get him back. I want it. Thank you. Where were you when you found out that we're going to laugh at the Miami Heat?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Is this a heat culture bet? Where it's like, hey, bring Wiggins in into our system and we can do some things.
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The thing that infuriated the Heat, it turns out, this season is the thing that makes him special. is the thing that makes him actually, I think Miles Brown put it on Twitter, he's like an aging old pit bull that can still strangle you to death, but generally he's just not gonna be as active. Mostly just sits around licking himself.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
That's right. That's Roy shouting out Renaissance art. Hello. Bonicelli? Yeah, whatever you say. Bonicelli person?
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Yeah. I would ask Jeremy where Jeremy was because Jeremy is, of course, the most plugged in. In the building that's across the street from this building reporter that we have. But Jeremy is not allowed to talk about the Miami Heat until he does something. Ha ha ha. That we said we wanted yesterday. Deliverables. You have to be able to do your job.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
And this right now, Jeremy, would be a great time for me to gesture to you and you hit play. Instead, we don't have anything to sell the bit. I haven't done this. What were you doing? There were a few other things going on.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
You're not allowed to. You can't. You're forbidden. We are edging towards heat discourse. And Jeremy is going to just have to make some music.
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I can talk about it. We're going to talk about it.
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At a spa, I believe. I was working. I was decompressing. In a towel. In a pre-scheduled spa setting. Did you have cucumbers on your eyes? I wish. What happened was, I have a routine. You can imagine what the first part of the routine is. I don't even need to say what the routine is. But I go and I lie down and I forgot that my contacts were in. And when I awoken, I cannot...
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
I cannot specifically give you the Pantone color of red that my eyes were, but it was bad. I wish I had cucumbers on my eyes. Instead, I had shriveled up contact lenses. And that's why you couldn't de-towel, get dressed, and come do some work.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Yeah, David wanted to come into the studio to talk about this trade. I said we should wait till everybody's ready to talk about the trade.
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Well, hold on. Chris was offended that you did not invite him to a restaurant that had – Named after him.
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It was an insane dress code for no reason. I wore a Robert Graham shirt.
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I believe it's called Coat. I believe that Amin Elhassan's night, when it comes to who is struggling the most on the road to giving takes this morning, I believe Amin is going to win that contest.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Are you already empty of takes?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Wait, hold on. Amin is arguing for the Nico Harrison Nike pitch approach. Yeah, look, I gave this to Kevin Durant. I'm going to change a couple names. It'll be all good for you.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Put that on the poll. Is there such a thing as tailor-made trade talk?
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
What I'm not getting enough of from the people I need takes from is takes. Thank you. So Ryan Cortez, I texted him. So you went to Cortez? I went to Cortez and I said, Cortez, you prepared to zoom in tomorrow because Cortez is the minister of heat propaganda. And Cortez says, quote, zoom in, question mark. I'm going to jump in front of a train.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Thank you. You don't joke about that. Trigger warning for the description. What I want a sense of is how it feels to be a Miami Heat fan right now.
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I like the idea that someone out there is like, I rely on the Dan Levitard show to inform me not only of takes but of news. And we have led with Kyle Anderson.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
We've said tax disbursements before Steph Curry. I'm doing a great job hosting this quarter.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
We win. Dan, we're doing great. I led with how are all of us learning about the trade. I want to show everybody, in case you missed this, how Kevin Love, member of the Miami Heat, heard about the trade.
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Local Hour: Jimmy Butler Trade Reaction
Sitting behind the bench as Kevin Love is just with bated breath wondering, not playing, what had just happened to his life and his team. That dude, what did he say? We killed them? We robbed them? We robbed them. Robbed. Robbed.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Yes, they become globally popular. They're globally... A brand that lots of people know and care deeply about who didn't grow up in Madrid like you. When it comes to your favorite player, though, the soccer player that you were most entranced by on this team, who would that be?
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When you reference that he is from a complicated Venezuela, Explain what that means in terms of the decision that is made to go and help his family by leaving. How uncommon is a decision like that in the context we're describing?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
So this football crisis, in the context of the larger crisis then of Venezuela, for people who are not familiar with the character of Maduro, how would you introduce him?
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We're talking about a guy in Maduro who, by the way, isn't a friend of Donald Trump.
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And so to fit Herce into this political matrix in which there's Trump and Maduro on opposite sides— Where does he fit when it comes to how explicit his beliefs are about what's happening?
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And what does it look like behind the scenes when that happens?
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I am as straight as it gets, and I also love... So we're going to love each other.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And so just to state as clearly as we can as well, what is Herce's criminal record? None.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
So if he also has a clean sheet when it comes to his legal standing, I'm trying to imagine what the case would be against him. How does he live his life? How out here is he when it comes to being reckless, even in a non-criminal way?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And so now I'm returning to that image of people trying to get the out. And I'm imagining the decision that Jersey is facing given that the man in power and his administration are seemingly, allegedly, not just electrocuting him, suffocating him, but now threatening him to never do anything like this again. And so what is the choice he has in front of him?
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
Right, so he's downloaded the official app. This is how it worked. And this was under the Biden administration, by the way. This is just last year, the spring of last year.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And so he gets not asylum, but an appointment to make his case that he is deserving of the refuge that the United States is offering.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
The waiting room is an ICE detention facility in San Diego.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
And that is a useful date for us because now, tracking quite neatly alongside January of this year, is the changeover in power from Joe Biden to Donald Trump.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
He is. When I thought about who do I need to help us understand and report this story, I was turning to you before I knew that you had any affiliation with Real Madrid as a concept. And now it feels almost inevitable that I would have had you work on something for weeks. And thank you so much for being here and for doing that, by the way.
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PTFO - The Goalie Who Disappeared
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So, Paola, this is a story I just need to remind everybody that started and is conceivably about gangs. And we now know that Jerse has lost contact with his family. They haven't spoken to him. We are closer now to the present tense. And I just want to know, where the f*** are the gangs in this story that you've reported for us? Because they have been noticeably absent so far.
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Because it's one of the biggest stories going on, certainly in America, but also globally. Latin America and also the world. You can make it as grandiose as you want, but it begins with something that's quite specific and quite small, technically.
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This accusation that he's a member of this gang, according to a declaration that I'm going to quote from here, is based on two things. First, he has a tattoo on his arm of a crown sitting atop a soccer ball with a rosary and the word Dios, which we began the show with. And the Department of Homeland Security alleges that this is proof of gang membership. This... Tattoo from hell.
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He's not the only person in the world of professional soccer who has this tattoo or something quite like it. No less than Neymar himself has a tattoo on his back right calf, the third most popular athlete in the world, probably behind Ronaldo and Messi, you know, depending on how you put LeBron in there. I put Neymar on the medal stand. He has this, Paola. Look, there it is, right?
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Soccer ball with crown on top. Paola Dybala, an Argentinian football superstar, Same tattoo. Here's a photo of that. Same place. Crown on top of ball. And we were trying on our staff, Paola, to figure out, like, what is the appropriate reference point? And I think we settled on this is kind of like getting a flaming basketball. It's just a thing you get because you're hot.
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And so at this point, I just need to jump in to emphasize something broader about not simply this particular sports-themed tattoo, but also tattoos in general, as this marker, according to the federal government, for membership in Trend de Aragua, which is that this entire concept is bull .
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A leading criminology professor at the Central University of Venezuela recently told The New Yorker that this administration's tattoo strategy is, quote, the first time I've ever encountered any reference to the significance of tattoos as it regards Tren de Aragua, which is a gang, by the way, that this professor has spent his career studying.
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He then called the whole thing, quote, absurd and naive. Meanwhile, the author of the definitive book on Tren de Aragua happens to be a journalist named Rona Rizquez, and she spent her career investigating criminal groups across Venezuela, What you should know, according to her, is, quote, Venezuelan gangs are not identified by tattoos. And yet this is precisely, precisely how ICE, U.S.
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Customs and Immigration Enforcement, has been actively justifying the disappearance of people without criminal records, again, like Jersey Reyes Barrios. And in fact, on the Texas state government's website, to also broaden the scope out here, we found a literal PowerPoint presentation with a slide entitled, Trend de Aragua, dash, tattoos and other identifiers, end quote.
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And right there, in the top right corner, which you can see right now on YouTube, is the Jumpman logo. Yes, the Jumpman logo for, you know, Air Jordan, with the number 23 beneath it. which, as I trust you can now understand, feels both irresponsible and actually insane.
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That part, that all it takes is one tattoo that is cross-checked against some PowerPoint somewhere in which also on the list are roses, guns. God forbid, by the way, you're a train enthusiast. We got a locomotive smack dab in the middle here. It just makes me think of the strategic incompetence. If you're using this as...
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sufficient evidence for declaring that someone like our goalie in this story is actually part of a terrorist organization.
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Just this quote, right? Like to go back to this legal document. Quote, DHS reviewed Jerez's social media posts and found a photo of Mr. Reyes Barrios making a hand gesture that they allege is proof of gang membership. And for those who are not watching on YouTube and are missing the visuals on this, can you describe the gesture he's making?
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And on Instagram, by the way, this guy's making all sorts. It's like peace signs, thumbs up, rock and roll gestures, all this stuff. You see all the kids on his youth soccer team there.
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I have been wondering who is the person who is actually fighting for him against the U.S. government.
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It's the footage that has been posted on the social media account of the president of El Salvador. Bukele, who has, for those not familiar with his work, has called himself the world's coolest dictator.
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We're talking about a maximum security prison designed to hold and essentially banish terrorists. from civilization.
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And somewhere in this photo of these people being lined up in what is a de facto concentration camp. Somewhere in there is the goalie we've been talking about.
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It's the place that we saw also because Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem went and took a photo op trip to pose in front of some of those bars and some of those men, and then posted it, of course, on social media.
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I'm imagining like the rock and roll thing, right? A pinky and index finger up like that. Exactly.
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Yes. that makes us who we're supposed to be now which is a democracy that's gone right the idea that if you suspect that this former professional soccer player this father of two this man is in fact gang-affiliated, terrorist-associated, that you should go through the legal system and prove it, as opposed to disappearing him. That's what the fight is right now, broadly speaking.
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And in specific, that is the hell that this tattoo has brought Fierce to.
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Protesting the dictator that is an enemy of the man in charge of our country who sent him to El Salvador to be under the watch of another dictator.
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So I should say, Paola, that we here at Public Tori Finds Out did get a quote from the Department of Homeland Security. They provided us with the following statement. And so, naturally, we had... Multiple detailed follow-up questions about those assessments, about whether they were even talking about assessments of Jersey in particular.
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And so he walks in and he wants a new one. And his specific desire for this new tattoo is going to be what?
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We had questions about why the government is so confident about any of that, about any specifics that they might be able to offer us. And eventually, Tricia McLaughlin, the assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, did get back to us in an email, and she said this, quote, No, I am not referring to Barrios specifically.
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Our intelligence goes beyond social media and tattoos, full stop. We aren't going to hand over our national security information and put law enforcement in harm's way every time a terrorist and gang member says they aren't one. That would be insane.
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And so at this point, it is just worth me reiterating perhaps the defining aspect of the United States itself, which is that in a constitutional democracy like ours, people like Jerse Reyes Barrios are in fact allowed to say that they are not a terrorist and not a gang member, and to in fact prove that in a court of law.
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which is why currently a federal judge in Washington is threatening to hold the Trump administration in contempt for preventing so many of these men from Venezuela who got swept away by our government on those planes in the middle of the night from making their case as to why they should not be kicked out.
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And meanwhile, back in San Diego, today actually, exactly six months after that first appointment that Jerse had, the one that got, you know, spat out by the government's free iPhone app so that he could legally and transparently make his original case to be let into this country, our country, Jerse's lawyer is finally expecting something.
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She's expecting to hear from Jersey's personal immigration judge with a decision on whether to dismiss his claim to asylum, his claim to legal status officially, or to keep Jersey's case open so that he can continue his request when and if he returns to the United States or even some other country. But no matter the official law of the land, no matter the due process here,
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the Trump administration is expected to push back. They're expected to brush aside that due process and the humanity involved in favor of dictatorship. And so, yes, it is certainly worth sounding some alarm. And it is also quite appropriate to be cynical about America today. But in Venezuela, Something else is happening. Back on the pitch.
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And so as much as this is a story that isn't otherwise being told here in America, what's it like back home where Jersey is from?
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But the Real Madrid part, I guess to do the little bit of Spanish translation I could do, Real means royal. That's right. And in this specific case, Real Madrid, more than any other club, has claims to being the royal franchise of Spain. This is sort of its own heritage is that it does have a crown as certainly the most distinguishing part of its own logo.
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It just occurs to me, Paola, that this is a lot for a bunch of 10-year-olds to deal with, right? The idea that your athletic idol, whether it is Iker Casillas or Jerese Reyes Barrios, would be gone forever. somewhere trapped in a nightmare of the United States and the dictator of El Salvador's creation. And so what are these team meetings like? What's practice like now for this team?
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It's hard not to think of that, Paola, as the goalie's prayer, right? Praying for someone now to save him.
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Yeah. Paola Ramos, thank you so much for helping us tell this story.
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He might have been thinking at this moment about Iker Casillas as a goalie himself.
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Okay, so whether or not you're a sports fan, much less a fan of Real Madrid, I'm going to guess you've heard about the case of Kilmar Abrego-Garcia.
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All of which is alarming, to say the least, to the point that even Republican loyalists to Trump, like Senator John Kennedy, for instance, the other day on Meet the Press, have called the ordeal, quote, a screw-up.
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Now, the case of Mr. Garcia and the men sent to El Salvador with him is held up in the courts right now, including the Supreme Court, as we wait to see, I suppose, if the rule of law under the Trump administration is going to hold. But meanwhile, we have been promised something. We have been promised that this is not a pattern.
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But there is a pattern emerging, and you may have heard about this part too, these other horrifying ordeals for these alleged gang members.
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They incentivized young kids growing up around Spain to be a frontrunner.
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And in fact, this administration this week has decided to display the faces of these alleged terrorists on the lawn of the White House itself, just in time, as it happens, for Saquon Barkley and the rest of the Philadelphia Eagles to visit and celebrate their big Super Bowl win.
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all of which helps explain why the person sitting in our studio today is the Emmy-winning journalist Paola Ramos, most recently the author of a book called Defectors, The Rise of the Latino Far Right and What It Means for America. And Paola is here with me because she has been reporting on immigration for a decade now.
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And in fact, she just returned this week from the jungles of the Darien Gap between Latin America and South America. And she has also reported for Vice on the exact intersection of where our story is going to take us today. Tattoos, abductions, and now sports. This is a sports story in which we have a disappearing soccer player, a mystery around this tattoo from hell, as you called it.
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And so I want to further push the sports part of it. I just want a scouting report on who Hersey is, where he came from, him, the person.
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Watching this team, this club, excuse me, come to power, for people who don't know anything about Real Madrid, don't give a about soccer, what was that like?
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So describe what we're seeing here, this place that he grew up.
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So when he's climbing the ladder, what does his ascent look like through soccer to the pros?
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I'm imagining a goalkeeper, the pressure that you have to not f*** this up.
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The third division is a division you want to escape if you have bigger dreams for yourself. And on the line in this game that you guys were talking about is promotion to the second division, which is a huge deal.
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Everyone is... It's a lonely thing.
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And when I look at the record that Herse assembled as this goalkeeper, it doesn't stop in the second division. He makes it to the first division. And at this point, what happens to him?
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Tony, why are you making faces as the argument maker on behalf of John Halliburton stood on bidness?
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Not the only problem. The problem that- That family is also celebrating in a way that seems divided because Halliburton after the game also handled this well by saying pops.
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I think there are plenty of people who are going family first there and saying, I don't care if my father disrespects you. I'm not sure John Morant isn't doing finger guns at Giannis right next to his father and rolling a grenade at him.
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Tony, I'm with you on the face you made. I believe you are right when your face crinkles up in a disgust when either Pablo or I say bidness.
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He got permission from me. I shouldn't have done it either. I did it for effect, extra enunciated.
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It's a capital D there, a hard D I don't like. Yes, we will get to put it on the poll.
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At Levitard Show, can you say business with a hard D if you're over 35 years old at Levitard Show?
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Of any kind, of any kind, of any subject.
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Like, it's just effervescence spewing all over everyone. Congratulations on winning an award that you were bored to tell us what the acronym was for.
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Stugatz. I want t-shirts made for this Panther run, what could be this Panther run. Our Panther group chat, we're not afraid of the Lightning.
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I want to ask you about the Lakers last night and that Belichick story. I do want to get your thoughts on what is most interesting from that Belichick story as well.
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She's in it with Affleck and she was in a commercial for the Super Bowl in a way that was really strange. Unmentioned that she was in it and she's just in it.
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It's just bored. You mentioned it, but your tone, the undercurrent, was just indifferent. Pablo, do you have any thoughts?
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The unusual looking coach on the sidelines that became famous for nepotism.
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Put it on the poll. Do you believe Tony's theory that Bill Belichick has been hypnotized? I would say, Pablo, that I've only seen one other instance of this in my career. Anything that felt like this remotely close to it. And it's Sacramento's coach, Doug Christie, had a relationship in public that they were very proud about the fact and and.
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This was always interesting to me because men obviously don't view this the way that a woman might admire something like this. Doug Christie was publicly genuflecting on, yes, I follow my wife everywhere. I'm good with that. It doesn't make me less of a man to be someone who simply follows my wife. And you know who's someone else who does that now?
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Dwayne Wade does that now, where there's no shame in that, but the age difference complicates this one.
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That's right. It's a good theory by Tony. I like it. Do you have a theory for me on this? CBS Sunday Morning is a magical show. I believe the broadcaster that got you, Jordan and Belichick, was overly cheesy in a number of different broadcaster-y ways.
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I want to ask you, as somebody who's now on MSNBC, a professional broadcaster on ESPN, if any human beings talk the way this broadcaster does when he's doing the affect of CBS Sunday Morning television.
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Does anyone talk like that?
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Do you hear the question mark in this journalist, in this saying that would express to you that the particular journalist we're talking about is not objective?
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His creative muse... Again, I'm going to play that last part for you and ask you if there's a question mark between the creative and the muse. His creative muse...
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There's some creative muse. There's some sass in there. Like, he's really judging it for America. His creative muse.
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He's also wagging a condescending chin at them.
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Let's play for Pablo the sound of Stugatz being as right as he has ever been on anything.
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Luka played a ton of games last year.
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You were ahead of everybody on that one. You were. Izzy, have you read or heard anything interesting on Luka and LeBron? In retrospect, it's fairly easy to say when it comes to usage rate, it needs to not be the oldest player in the league anymore. You got to kind of hand the team over to Luka for real.
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You don't need both of them at the same time, especially if Luka is not going to be playing any defense at all.
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Well, Pablo, can you please look this up for me, guys? Give me all the history where Minnesota wins a game or anybody wins a game shooting from three the way Minnesota did. Luka and LeBron can't lose to a Minnesota team shooting like that at home to have their season extinguished. That's a terrible game shooting for Minnesota.
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He used to be a columnist. That was disrespectful. I did John Halliburton that. Like that was disrespectful, but I really didn't know what the acronym was. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. I just, I didn't know.
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Think about that. Think about that.
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Can you guys give me what your take was on Kerr sitting his starters in the second half yesterday?
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I like it. Pablo, your thoughts on losing to Minnesota that way. Your thoughts on the Lakers' future. What was it that Windhorst, did Windhorst have some commentary that said that LeBron's frustrated with the Lakers? They got him Luca.
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I was like, are we talking about the Lobos again? Because he came in here and he said, I've got a lot of stuff to talk about. And he opens with the FS whatever awards were announced. And I'm looking at him and I'm like, why are you telling us about that? And the answer is because I wanted column writing.
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Did he get that for thought experiment or did he get it for the Egyptian pharaoh?
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Was it talking like a broadcaster? Was it just talking broadcaster-y cheese? Is that it? Here's the thing? Because he hit you with it. Here's the thing.
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I can't even tell when I hear the thing anymore. So it's a lifetime achievement?
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Piano Tinkle? Egyptian Pharaoh had me, man.
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Pablo, are there any other kinds of pharaohs? I don't know. Is that redundant? Phil Pharaoh. That's a good one. That weather terror. I'm going to scare the hell out of you.
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Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Are there other kinds of pharaohs other than the Egyptian ones?
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That's a good question. Or also put up on the poll, is Egyptian pharaoh redundant? Because I don't know. I don't know if there are other kinds of pharaohs. I don't know. I don't have any pharaoh history.
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Speaking of aging, who thinks they're going to have the best old clothes? Zaslow was a wild disappointment yesterday. Zaslow bringing in clothes. Zaslow. Only from 2016. I thought for sure he had stuff from the 90s. I know that Greg Cody, before his son bought him an expensive bag, was walking around with a Barcelona bag from the 1992 Olympics. That's true. And so he's got a lot of old stuff.
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Who do you guys think is going to win on old stuff summoned from the closets? I think Chris Cody's going to win.
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All right, let's do this because I want all of you to hold up your third place finishers first. We're going to go three shirts.
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So you're going to immediately go.
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Pick the best three. I've got accessories, though, too. Okay, so no one wants to do it the way that would be easy.
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Well, we've got two minutes. And Zaslow was really disappointing with this. So I wanted to limit Zaslow to one. He brought three. All of them were bad. Now I'm worried that all I don't have confidence in this, given what Zaslow did with it.
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All right, let's see the first of what he's got here. This is his weakest entry. What do you have here?
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He has opened it. He has sent a statement larger than the one the Panthers sent to the Lightning yesterday. Look. He would not have been stronger there if he had dropped his pants and mooned all of you on I've got better than you do.
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Pablo, what do you have in your excessive bag of accessories that doesn't suggest that this segment was prepared at all?
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Solid. It's not bad. Eight years better than Wazlow. Eight years better. I mean, Wazlow was really disappointing. That was a real, that was just an embarrassing fart by Wazlow. What else do you have there, Pablo? Just show us the rest of what you've got because we're running out of time.
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Is there a back in my day there on your list of topics? It's Thursday. Okay, no. All right, so what are the top four? Give me the top four.
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Would you be willing to auction that off to the audience and just get another one?
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Congratulations. Check that out.
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It makes me less impressed than 5,000. Less impressed? You think 5,000 is a lot?
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Your right glass lens is fogging up again.
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When you win column awards? What are your first four topics? Let's see if Pablo bites on any of them.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
He's got a controversial opinion on statues. Pablo, you were about to say?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
So did I, by the way. All right, so let's do this. Do any of you believe you have older shirts than Greg Cody has? All right, let's get in position for this. And as filibuster, as we get into position, everyone get their T-shirts ready, their old T-shirts ready, or their old clothes ready. I do want to play this sound for Pablo, and I don't know if Pablo has in his home. He's in his home.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Pablo, you can go to another room if you've already heard this Giannis sound and get your oldest shirts that...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Excellent. It sounds like people are prepared in the interim, though. I want to play for you something. I don't do this very often.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
I'm going to play three and a half minutes or so of sound of Giannis talking here, because I believe that he diffused a bomb in a way that was really graceful, because in a different language than is his preferred language, and I think is his third or fourth language, he walked through crisis in a way that was honest and vulnerable and...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
showed great grace to someone who had disrespected him in front of people. And then afterward, in the emotion of it, handled it exactly the way that anyone would want the face of the league to handle something. Listen to the grace that he shows in telling you, my story is a one in a lifetime story.
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The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
and you have insulted both me and my late father when as a father you come out on the court as the guy's father to the guy who just beat me and is standing on a table because my team just choked away a game away the way the basketball is never seen. possibly ending my career and my relationship with the city and Milwaukee that is as strong as the one that Luka has in Dallas.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
And in that moment of rage, this is how that man calms himself down and speaks on behalf of his family, his teammates, champions everywhere, and a league.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
A number of different things that I want to talk about with Pablo Torre. His award-winning podcast, Pablo Torre Finds Out, pales in comparison to Greg Cody's awards. Greg Cody came in today swaggering, saying that the 2025 FAF something or another awards have been announced, and he has done something in one of those awards. What have you won?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Pablo, I'm floored by the amount of understanding and compassion that he showed given what his rage had to be in that circumstance and how he also managed around the understanding and compassion to give you his very strong opinion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
It's hard to do all of those things together without emotion, to be that stoic about being very strongly opinionated on that was disrespectful and doing it with such compassion that he convinced me it was disrespectful by the time he was done.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
The part that is interesting to me about it, though, Pablo, is I was talking about how hard winning is earlier, how hard it is to be a champion, that LeBron has failed a lot more than he's won the way that we do the measurements right now. He's only won four. And Steph... Stugatz came in here today saying Steph's had a better career than LeBron. But it's been two guys fighting for the titles.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Kawhi stepped in there and won three of them. And Kevin Durant had to win a couple that Stugatz will not give him because Kevin Durant had to go to the Warriors to do it. And the one that Giannis won, he only won by a toenail over Kevin Durant. So you tell me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
Pablo, the legacy of Giannis as we go on face of the league stuff, people are real interested to make Anthony Edwards the face of the league. Giannis is going to have to go somewhere else to be the face of the league. Like you want all the stuff that he does, but you also need that person to be winning the championships.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Millionth Annual Independence Day Beach Bash 2001
This is what Tony was saying yesterday. He said that John Halliburton stood on bidness.
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Sporting Class: Worldwide Leaders, Killer Apps, and Michael Jordan's Special Contribution
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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: Jessica's Weekend Observations (feat. Kenan Thompson)
Just being accountable.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Jesus Christ.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
History is not going to know that context, and that was a terrible decision by Billy Gill.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Like, what is it? Incredibly strange.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I'm saying that he forced Jason Tatum to watch The Dark Knight with him and to focus on Heath Ledger's The Joker for inspiration. I just think there's a type of guy, and Missoula might even be just weirder than even this one data point, but there's a type of guy who isn't just like, wow, this guy's a really hardcore, high energy, or not even high energy, just all consuming coach guy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
He's the guy who thinks Heath Ledger's Joker is a hero. I don't know how often I can just keep repeating this, but that's literally insane. You're idolizing an insane person, which would make me think that you are also an insane person, just by the laws of, you know, logic.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I think, look, Missoula as a coaching prospect, what Stugatz is saying is fundamentally like directionally correct, which is that at a certain point, if we're going to be the guy who's winning all of these titles and being in the conference finals and the finals every single year,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
we're going to just not think too deeply about the fact that yes you watch the town like four times a day or whatever it is that you have these press conferences where you don't seem to exist on the same like emotional psychological wavelength as anybody else uh it's it's ends justify the means which i guess in that case is exactly the lesson of the joker Does that mean I'm right?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I mean, fundamentally, directionally? The reason I want to say I'm right. Before I move to Lakers. You're in the direction of right. I wouldn't say you're necessarily there yet.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It's a coalition of people who are directionally right.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
But the thing about, I mean, this is, it goes back to the Mike Malone in the little box thing though. Like we're testing actively what it means to not have a coach during a playoff run effectively. And you're right, Dan, like there is no real good statistic.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
There's no good analytics for coaches because they exist in the realm of motivation because they exist in the realm of, hey, watch this movie scene. This is gonna inspire you because they exist in the realm of like press conference theater. And so, yes, it's very easy to ascribe everything we can't calculate to them
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
except for when, in the case of Denver, they're basically saying, eh, we don't really need this. And now you give it to Westbrook, which is how it is that the NBA is both a league of math and the opposite at the same time.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Wait, didn't Peter King do this with Robin Williams? You guys remember that story? Peter King wrote that column where he talked about how he told a restaurant host that Robin Williams had died. This is like the lead of his column and took like very strange pleasure in telling him that Robin Williams had died in a particularly unfortunate way. Am I? How am I the only one who remembers this?
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I got it. Get off me before I drown. All right, here we go. Milwaukee, dash, dash, asked restaurant host. colon god did you hear about robin williams question mark post no me died he killed himself end quote thought he would cry at si underscore peter king august 12 2014 huh what I'm the only one who remembers Peter King. Okay, very good. I'm just going to return to the bottom of the ocean now.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
See you guys later. The King's disease.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Living or dead? That can be alive or dead. Oh, I mean, Bill Walton, number one. Obviously. Good one. Can I draft for Bill Walton? Nope. You get one Bill Walton. You can have Luke. All right. I don't know if I want Luke. These sandwiches are so good that I'm not sure.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Who's the next one after Walton? Yeah, this is cruel. I'm going to stay with UCLA. I'm going to go Kareem. Kareem's a stoner, guys. He does. He's on the record. And finally, on the record.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Burging a bit on the Peter King vibes with that comment, Dan. We're trying to have a fun power ranking of guys want to smoke weed with. He brought it to a real dark place. It's what he does.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Someone sent me a photo of Ricky Williams, noted friend of Metal Ark Media, at a pool in Austin. Not to, like, dox Ricky Williams, but he was wearing the Apple Vision Pro and sitting at a table by himself. And Ricky Williams is my third favorite. That's a strong four right there. What about me?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I have the top five athlete weed names in sports history. Give it to us. O-L-I. Outlighter. Dugatz is writing it down. Number five. LeGarrette Blunt. Strong if that's number five. Number four. John Danks.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Really good. That is good. White Sox lefty. Thank you, Pablo.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Closer. Probably also enjoys weed. That's who I was thinking of.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
You're welcome. What are you basing that on? Just be clear. Feels like he's a guy who enjoys a Jimmy John's every once in a while, you know? Just saying. He'd be in the rotation.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I got salt and vinegar. We're at number three. Number three. But that sound of Chris eating those chips makes me want to hit the June Cune Bong. Excellent.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
B-O-N-G. Not wrong. He's directionally correct on that as well.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Fundamentally directionally correct. Number two, Tree Rollins. Excellent.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Yeah. I mean, I just scarfed down like so many Jimmy John's barbecue chips, this like 5,000 word Tim McMahon piece. Tim is incredibly plugged in to this team over at ESPN.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
uh he just tells the story of how there is so much more to why this has fallen apart a lot of having to do with the medical staff a lot of it having to do with nico harrison installing his own people who are in charge now the bodies of these players breaking the trust of dirk novitski and this guy casey smith who was like the nba's highly regarded medical trainer one of the best in the league the guy in dallas it just seems like when it comes to a coalition
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
you might even say that you need when you make a trade like this nico harrison doesn't have it and it's just incredible palace intrigue man all around like injuries all around dirk and luca basically in communication about why they shouldn't trust this guy
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And it is something that you don't want to read if you're a fan of the Dallas Mavericks who just traded for Anthony Davis, whose body you may have heard is in need of medical attention. Not a great thing to know that your medical staff is internally feuding. And also you messed up the worst transaction in the history of sports. Not great.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I have Zazz like Noah Wiley in the pit, like just that. But then at the end of his shift, he's lost all of his hair due to stress. Good show, by the way. I watched that last week. Great show. Good show.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Just that they're the Dallas Mavericks, the Defense Department of the United States of the U.S. government. Every news story that involves, oh, by the way, they just cleaned house.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
They just fired like an entire cabinet over at DOD, followed by, oh, by the way, he's also been on a separate signal chat with his brother and his wife and his personal attorney on his personal cell phone, which he's talking about yet more airstrikes.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
All of it just makes me think of how his only defense for any of this so far in writing, at least, has been to reply to like the Democrats Twitter account talking about how the reason that you're against me is because you're in favor of D.I. and D.I. is dead at the Department of Defense. And all I can think about.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
is how there is no greater example of truly unqualified incompetence and overall fraudulence than this guy. This guy is the ultimate affirmative action hire. He is the guy that they hired because they wanted to put a literal Fox News weekend host up there and has proven in three months that he is totally unqualified for this job.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Like the next time you hear anybody in this administration yell about DEI, and by the way, I'm not saying that DEI didn't have its excesses, didn't have its own mistakes when it came to what it became by 2025. But the next time you hear anybody from this administration tell you about DEI, just know that they should be looking into a goddamn mirror.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And seeing the face of Pete Hegseth, who has stepped on a series of rakes that is unprecedented, truly unprecedented when it comes to the American military and how the Department of Defense has been run. It is unbelievable. And it would be hilarious if it wasn't also the thing trying to keep all of us literally alive.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I'd like a sandwich next, though.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Just realized that I've been shown this entire time struggling to both keep my glasses on and off and keep pace with whatever we're arguing about. Mike Schur is there or was there. Mike Schur also went. I think Mike Ryan and Mike Schur both went to Vegas for this thing. The coalition of wrestling fans always surprises me as someone who wasn't one of them.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I didn't know there were post-game pressers. I didn't know that was a thing. That's a thing? I've never seen a restaurant behind a microphone.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I do like Chris, though, saying you're sixth grade, which is a fifth grade reference.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Sixthgrade.com, though. We should squat on that URL. This is a business here.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
The most confident Mina was in her entire Celebrity Jeopardy! semifinal was when she gave that post-game press conference answer to Ken Jennings about how unconfident she was in her strategy for Daily Doubles.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
No, beyond the fact that Dan ended up being able to have this weapon to just beat Mina over the head with in the postgame pressure that we staged for her was the fact that Mina, of course, like could not do the thing. And this is her own her own self-awareness in the episode that Dan's referencing.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
She realizes that after a career spent telling people, telling NFL coaches to go for it on fourth down, she punted. She just repeatedly punted throughout the game and didn't realize it until this taping we did in which she had to reckon with how unbelievably cosmically cursed it is to be her on NFL Live and her in this episode of Celebrity Jeopardy. It is remarkable and you cannot script it.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It's true.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
The Nuggets, the Nuggets being the Clippers. I think that the whole experiment with we're going to fire our head coach, fire our GM, leave it in the hands of Nikola Jokic, whose on off numbers are incredible, has made me. more intrigued by this team than any one other team in this postseason, because all I want to do is get you put a little box of me in the bottom right hand corner of the screen.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I just want a little box with Mike Malone in it during these games. Like, what's it like to be him?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Well, this is why I want Mike Malone in the little box. I want the Mike Malone cast because part of the reason he got fired, we were told, was because he played Russell Westbrook in the fourth quarter too much.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Mike Malone was watching the reason he got fired result in a headline that praised the team that he got fired from coaching for doing the thing they did only to win a playoff game in overtime. It's incredible. Like the Russell Westbrook thing. I mean, man, two things are true, and this is always true about Russell Westbrook.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
He is the guy who will dribble the ball off of his foot or whatever into Zubat's arms at the end of regulation. And he'll also be the guy that will make you think, oh my God, this is Russell Westbrook aggression mode. And yes, he has so much more left in the tank than you think. But also, what a nightmare. What a nightmare to just watch someone else get praise for the thing you got fired for doing.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
It is remarkable.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
I mean, it's a good question. If the GM had not also gotten fired. Like, I don't even know what's happening over there. I don't know who's in charge. I genuinely have no idea. I don't know who they're supposed to please. I think we're supposed to realize that Russell Westbrook in the fourth quarter bad until it was good in this playoff game, I guess, because they won.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And also in terms of who's running the team, Zaz, yeah, I don't know. We're also running that experiment. Who's your boss? I don't really know. I guess Jokic is or Jokic's brother is at this point. Sure. Or his agent is, which we've also heard. It's very, very confusing.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
His brother, Jokic's brother makes Jokic look like Yao made Shaq look. Like you need just that level of scale to appreciate.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Have you guys seen that photo of tiny Jeff Passan from that set? He was on a baseball. He was on set doing some ESPN baseball broadcast, and he looks tiny. You guys know what I'm talking about? Am I alone in tiny Jeff Passan?
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Is he? Joe Mazzulla is... I don't want to diagnose anybody from afar, but he has something in his brain, circuitry-wise, that is just very different. And the only thing compared to is that there is a group of guys in sports, we did an episode about this actually, who all have tattoos of the Joker on their body. Not Jokic, obviously, but like the Joker from the Dark Knight.
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Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
And Joe Mazzulla is one of these guys who idolizes that sort of a character, which is to say there are people who see being a sociopath as being virtuous and like good strategy. And that is an incredible photo of Billy next to Derek.
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Local Hour: The Corporate Cleansing
Don Levitard. You know how these late season games are. We don't know. It's a big game for the Knicks. We have absolutely no idea how Boston will play. I don't know who they'll play, who they won't play. Stugatz. Okay. All right. That's fine. That's an excellent promotion.
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Local Hour: The Corporate Cleansing
That's great. Sold. That's it. That's perfect advertising for the game, the national game on TV tonight. I was going to watch. Now I'm not going to watch. Holy shit.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Wenn du rassistisch sein willst, musst du voll rassistisch sein.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
I don't like how this is being presented already. I'm not sure where we're going. Objection already. I don't like how this is... Judge? I wrote down, you are what your record is.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ja, das ist nicht verrückt. Ich meine, wir haben darüber gesprochen. Riley, lande einen dieser Hexen. Oder lande nicht einen dieser Hexen. Stopp mit all diesem Hexen-Hunting, was du tust. Du solltest auch nicht Hexen fangen, aber das ist eine Geschichte für einen anderen Tag. Ich bin hier, um Preservationen für Tiere zu haben. Riley ist hier, um sie zu töten.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Kann ich euch eine Frage stellen? Haben wir einen Punkt mit der Heizung, jetzt, dass die Janis-News raus ist, dass ihr enttäuscht seid, wenn die Heizung in der Tat Kevin Durant bekommt?
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Leute gehen in All-Boys-Schulen. Weirdos.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
You can't afford it. He's not an option.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
I don't think getting KD for the Heat is a bad thing. I know that people are like, oh, this isn't the same KD, this is the end of his career. Yeah, but he's one of the all-time greats in the NBA. He's a legendary player that will be tied to your franchise forever.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ja. Ich will nur Horsen. Nur er ist wahrscheinlich nicht gut genug, um zu gewinnen, also was ist der Unterschied?
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ich will nur Horsen. Do you take one of the all-time greats to wear your roster knowing, best case, you're a 7th seed?
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
How about that? I want anything that I want. This is how the conversation is going to start with Pat Riley.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Ring. Hello, it's Pat. No, no, I'm Pat. I'm Pat. You're Milwaukee. No, I'm Pat. I'm Pat. You're Milwaukee. What time is it? No, no, you're Milwaukee. Jill, did you see this orb? Ring.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
You don't even know what we're doing. Hello. We'd like to give you Terry Rozier. I just want horse. Where did Dan go?
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
It's the Bucks. What if I could tell you that you could leave today with Alec Burks and Kashaw Johnson? You called the Tampa Bay Bucks, I'm sorry. I just want horse. Interested in Drew Smith? He could be yours today. All it's gonna cost you is Giannis Antetokounmpo. You also have to take Terry Verzier. Stop calling.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
Grow a pair. Tell your parents, I'm not going to an all boys school.
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Hour 1: I Just Want Horse
We gotta bump him. Davion Mitchell's off the table.
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Ich habe gute Nachrichten für alle hier. Sie haben gestern gewonnen, also sind sie jetzt 7-33. Und das Rundifferenzial, boom, steigt zu minus 128. Ein großes Spiel gestern.
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Ich wurde gesagt, wir haben es. Ungefährdend ist mein Escapade als Panther-Broadcaster für diese Saison fertig, weil die Home-Stands fertig sind. Und jetzt geht FIU weiter, um zu sehen, ob sie hier in der Konferenz-USA-Wettbewerbs-Tournee gehen werden. Sie müssen sich mit Sam Houston-State beschäftigen.
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Hast du gesehen, wie er da rumspielt? Tell me it's Clint Hurdle again. He's peeking around there. They brought him in for some sort of consultant something and then they got rid of Bud Black and then they moved, you know, their third base coach is now the manager and boom! Guess who's the new bench coach? Clint Hurdle. I think I could be wrong here.
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I think we may have a situation where a team fires a manager twice in a season.
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You fire him twice so you make Clint Hurdle the manager again. I don't know.
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Ich dachte, du wärst ein A1-Zuhörer meiner Broadcasts. Was für ein Weg, den Tag nach Mutter's Day zu finden. Nicht ein guter Tag, den zu finden. Aber überhaupt, nichts, keine Geschichten.
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You don't know that. Exactly right. It's just wild. Roy comes out and he says, guess what? I was not a member of the media after all. I was a fan just getting free tickets and now he's just taking free tickets. My ass. I'm credentialed. What are you talking about? Free tickets.
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Ich weiß nicht, ob Ron McGill es diese Woche oder nächste Woche hat, aber ich habe einen Bewegung, den ich versuchen habe zu starten, nämlich einen Panther Preserve auf dem FIU-Kampus, right behind the right field wall, which a lot of people are telling me is not a good idea, to have live Florida Panthers there. But why is that?
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Es heißt Journalismus, Freund. Willst du es versuchen?
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He's winning too many Peabody's? He got delayed. He will be here at 11.15.
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Do you think he could rock a pony to sleep, right? Like very easily. If he wanted to, like a baby, cradle it and rock it. Yeah.
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Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. Es gibt ein Lüftungsgebiet. What do you mean? Well, they have a preserve on campus, they just don't have any panthers. I'd like to give them room to roam if possible. Do you guys not want to aid endangered species?
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I thought about Adam McKay today, Dan, because Mike was telling me about some rain something. Atmospheric river. Yeah, he's all about this atmospheric river.
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Exactly, that's right. Das ist nicht nur normales, tägliches Regen, das passiert. Das ist ein Ereignis, das noch nie passiert ist. Michael sagt mir, dass es meistens im Westen passiert. Weißt du was, zeig mir deinen Kohlenstoff-Footprint, die beiden von euch, weil du das Problem bist, gerade jetzt. Verzeihung, dass das passiert und Verzeihung, dass deine Aktionen es verursachen.
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But imagine an atmospheric river and the oceans rising. I mean, you're getting hit from both sides.
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It sounds scarier than it is. Hurricane season is right around the corner, friends. Also carbon monoxide, the silent killer.
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PTFO: Share & Halftime & Tell with Wyatt Cenac and Sarah Spain
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Just real quick, back to the boners. Right after this ad.
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I'm getting a vibe that I did not ask for actually here.
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We all knew the gerbil story.
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Well, the gerbil had gotten into Richard Gere, I think.
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And so the NFL and rather the networks that have the rights to the most important piece of cultural real estate that we have now, they decide to change gears.
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What I found out is that you guys are already better friends with each other than you are with me, which is a hard thing to learn three seconds into a program. Yeah.
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And this now, this Michael Jackson halftime show is the thing that all of us know.
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Literally, American culture was never the same because In Living Color threatened those dancing children in the Metrodome.
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The war was over. Yes. Right. Nuclear deterrence had prevailed.
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In no way will this age poorly to be laughed at later by podcasters revisiting the history of this program.
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Luckily, though, this year, there is thankfully zero subtext when it comes to such a topic with the current performer we're about to watch together.
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Yeah. Sarah, it's good to see you.
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The last time you were on the show, you were super horny for mascots, and I presume that's still the case.
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I did want to talk about... The curious case of tech mogul, Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson is a guy who may have come to your attention recently because he posted a tweet about his boner as it compares to his son's boner. And in case you are wondering, why am I using these words? This feels gross. Here's the tweet. Quote, nighttime erection data from my 19-year-old son at Talmadge Johnson and me.
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His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Raise children to stand tall, be firm, and be upright. Followed by all of these biometric boner charts. So, you know. This is the guy, in case you weren't familiar, also in the documentary, Don't Die. He's the guy. You guys, I mean, hold on. Before I go any further.
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You guys had heard of Brian Johnson before I said we got to learn about the boner data? Yeah.
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You know that lady's name.
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This is what Brian Johnson looks like in the photo Sarah was alluding to as he was engaged in Project Babyface. So Brian Johnson, Sarah, is the guy who is basically on a mission to reverse aging. And he has done this in a way that has been startling and has a sports context. LeBron James famously has been spending $1 million a year on his body.
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But Brian Johnson, in comparison, spends about $2 million a year on his body. And so that's according to reporting from Ashley Vance, formerly of Bloomberg, who chronicled this, was involved with the documentary. He's now running a great publication called Core Memory, in which he talked about interviewing Brian Johnson.
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This is a very rich tech guy who's like, I'm going to be the face and the leader of a movement in which I'm going to basically discover where people have been too afraid to go when it comes to living forever. And in case you were wondering, wanted to find out, how does one measure such boner data? You do it this way.
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Turgid. Turgid.
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When else is turgid used if not for erection description?
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Exactly. Flaccid and turgid are the yin and yang of boner adjectives. Yeah.
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A real goofus and gallon situation. Turgeon and Flaccid. The highlights magazine of sexual health. What Brian Johnson is trying to say, though, about his erection and his son's erection is that they are... They're nighttime erections. Just clarifying. They're nighttime erections. Nocturnal. His nocturnal... Separate, not put together.
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Well, separate and unequal, it turns out, is what he's making the case. His son, Brian Johnson is trying to assert that his nighttime nocturnal turgidity is to be reckoned with. And Sarah, I just want to explain who Brian Johnson is because he is the star of this doc called Don't Die on Netflix.
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I want to just give a clip from the trailer just to give a sense for people to catch up real quick on what kind of an archetype we're dealing with. You don't, though. So it stops on a clip of them in a photo shoot. It's Brian, his dad, and Brian's son, who is the aforementioned... Talmadge. Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge. Turgid Talmadge.
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They basically made a sort of just... Yeah, they gave plasma to each other, youngest to next oldest, in a way that feels... Like exactly what we were joking that Peter Thiel was doing with his blood boy in Silicon Valley. Brian Johnson is saying this is part of his very detailed and now public plan for how you can live forever. Right, yeah. Vampire your children.
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Yeah, it's however many monkeys in a room eventually typing out boner data, I believe is how that old saying goes. Brian Johnson, by the way, it's just interesting how, like I mentioned Peter Thiel, who was, again, from the PayPal mafia famously with Elon and David Sachs and all these gargoyles that we know now.
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But Brian Johnson, he had built an online payment processing company himself called Braintree, which bought Venmo. And then he sold Braintree, it turns out, to PayPal in 2013 for $800 million, which is to say that somehow like online payment processing is a real through line in the dystopian future we have entered.
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I mean, what he's saying is that one of the indicators of the way in which he has slowed the rate of aging is nighttime erections. And so Brian Johnson, at age 47, is on par with his 19-year-old.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He did quote tweet the tweet from his dad saying, quote, I'm grateful for the way my dad has raised me, period.
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He's in the turgid place.
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Right. I do feel like for all the sincerity and for all the pills and for all of the, you know, 4.30 a.m. wake-ups he has, like, it must suck when someone's like, it kind of looked like you're in your mid-40s. Right. You guys are familiar with ESPN announcer Mark Jones, right?
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Well, I just want to know what program Mark Jones is on. Mark Jones is 63 years old.
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Mark Jones looks younger than Brian Johnson, and it's not close.
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Wyatt, what did you bring us today on this edition of Share and Tell?
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I actually just want to jump in to say that it's amazing that the NWSL, the National Women's Soccer League, did the thing that every Think PC analyst in sports has been musing about, which is abolish the draft. No league in America has done that of this stature. And so the experiment, which I have been, I'm one of those people in that choir, by the way, of just like,
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Look, there are two levels, Wyatt. One is the level of fairness, obviously. It's insane always that in this industry, in sports, you have zero control despite having all of this value over what you are and where you are going to actually use your talents to... mis-paraphrase LeBron James.
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But then the second level is like, well, doesn't that also, as much as I love the draft, raise new opportunities for like what to do in replacement of it? The television show of the draft, you abolish that too. And that's always, John Skipper says it all the time. Like the reason he would never want to do it is because the TV show.
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But now you're actually forced to be creative about the entertainment of a world that is more fair. And now, again, far more open in terms of like how you're going to go around both making decisions and then portraying them to your audience.
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It's an amazing thing, right? Like the argument for the draft is inescapably socialist. And we have all of these capitalists who are saying we must have this because that is parody, right? Like otherwise, small markets will lose out to big markets.
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The most marquee teams will always get the best players because why would they want to go to fill in the blank, you know, Cincinnati slash whatever, like just also ran market.
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And again, I am somebody who... Like, my whole thing on tanking, right, is that the problem with tanking is that it works. It makes sense to do it because you're following incentives. Like, it's an amazing thing to have the number one overall pick because you suck. Right. But in a world in which there is no draft... How have these decisions been made?
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Like, what's happening, I guess, is my question. Now, the experiment for the first time is finally being run in America.
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Oh, right.
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Make it so that instead of the employer saying, having all of these suitors, you flip, turn the tables. Right.
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Yes.
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At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, we talk about what we found out today on a show about finding out stuff. And I found out just now that Sarah Spain has been holding a banana as not a prop, but actual food and has been restraining herself from using it as a metaphor made real, which I must applaud.
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At this rate, I don't think I want anybody to ever see the data that is inside of me. I don't think that's going to go well.
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The beginning of this topic.
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Right.
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So I didn't know anything about this. Neither did I. And I've thought a lot about the Halftime Show as a cultural institution before. I didn't know about this until you brought it to us and we actually looked into it.
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I mean, it actually does like demand a further explanation because it does not make sense the sentence that you have said.
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All right, we don't need to do just a straight-up impersonation parody of me.
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Why, Wyatt, did you even discover that In Living Color was involved at all in this?
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And so... Well, to remind people, right? This is, I mean, I don't want to lead with Jim Carrey, but Jim Carrey was on In Living Color. Sure. You had Damon Wayans, you had Jim Carrey, you had David Alan Grier. Jennifer Lopez was a fly girl.
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Yes.
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It's the least thinkable thing now to go head-to-head against the Super Bowl halftime show. But at this point in 1992, Fox sees this opportunity when CBS has a Super Bowl and they say, let's create a distraction that's going to steal audience and bring it over to us just for the period of halftime.
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It's very nice to meet you. I'm not a good host. I'm not introducing people.
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I love why they have a clock in the bottom left corner. They're very clear about what they're trying to do. It's like they're playing a prank on CBS specifically.
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I just like the idea of, on one channel is the In Living Color Super Bowl halftime party, And then in the Metrodome in Minneapolis is what is being hailed as this.
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Who says feel the cold? It's winter magic, Wyatt. You know.
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I mean, were you a big enough fan to continue watching this? No. Nope. Like the visuals on this, their umbrellas with snowflakes painted on.
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It's February. It's a Super Bowl. They're like doing, it's kind of mind-blowing. It's like, again, Brian Boitano, Dorothy Hamill, the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team. Right, yeah. Shows up at one point.
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They do the dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy at one point. And meanwhile, over on Fox, this is happening.
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Holding a giant plastic, like, cheeseball jug just full of steroids. Right. They were, like, poking fingers in all of the eyes available to them.
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I was going to say.
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I was going to say, I'm also, and I'm here too on the show. Yeah, you're fine on it.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
Pablo, is this your way of saying thanks for winning two first place awards at the Sports Podcast Awards? Is this why I'm being called in? Hi. Hi. I don't know why anyone's mad at me, frankly. So what's going on?
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
it's you've got a lot of producers and they uh they they spend their days uh making emmy nominations filling out forms so this is actually a helpful moment i guess to clarify um the award i won um first of all samson's i guess mad that the jpeg on the award for sporty class was my show logo um sorry that the jpeg is not david sampson's face i guess um i will apologize for that i'm not
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
I apologize for the producers on my show. The award that I won was best sports documentary podcast. I don't know if you guys know what a documentary is, but it's not you call someone after they call, you know, to expect congratulations after dropping off their daughter at school to yell at them. It's an award that you get for having high degree of difficulty episodes you produce every week.
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So, cool, cool, cool party I just walked into.
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I did. I did. A big part of this, I think, is that David Sampson, who is very good on the sporting class, an episode that I host, not coincidentally, is he has no idea how the Internet works. So David was mad at me yesterday for like tagging John Skipper, but the wrong John Skipper on Instagram.
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He sent me a screenshot of John's Twitter account to point out that I clearly tagged the wrong one, not knowing that Twitter and Instagram or X and Instagram are two separate platforms. So when David says you have all these producers, I think he literally means sometimes you have someone else who understands what the internet is. And in this case, that person was me. Don't tell me what I mean.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
So I'm walking the streets of New York and I can maybe find some like actual metaphorical comparison points. Like right here is a very fancy restaurant. It's like best in class, like incredible elevated French food. And over there somewhere is like a hot dog stand. And I feel like the hot dog stand is yelling at the French restaurant for having too many employees.
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I love hot dogs. It's just not best documentary at the Sports Podcast Awards. That's fine.
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It's just just a black coffee. I'm sorry. You're actually a hardworking person. Yeah. Yeah.
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This is the second place baseball. Come on.
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He just congratulated me. So I just wanted to tell him, you know, thank you.
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You were saying, Sam?
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Honestly, guys, I'm walking around here like Belle in Beauty of the Beast. People are popping out of their windows to say hello. A guy with a baguette just rolled by. All right. incredible.
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Local Hour: The Poddies (feat. David Samson and Pablo Torre)
There it is. Thank you. Yes, there it is. That feels like another metaphor.
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PTFO - One Yard at a Time: A Mystery
With the Galaxy Watch 7 or the Galaxy Ring and the Samsung Health app.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
Not even the Basketball Hall of Fame has the tape of Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game, by the way, as their historian explained to us. They've never even had an official exhibit devoted to Wilt. But this show now has two independently sourced recordings of the pivotal fourth quarter, plus a third, entirely different box of tapes that I need to tell you about.
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Because this is a box of tapes that contains Gary's interviews, which we're going to curate for you as part of this exhibit here today.
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PTFO - Wilt Chamberlain and the Conspiracy Factory: We Unearthed the True Story of the 100-Point Game
We can relate. We can relate here. You know, Gary, one of our joys was that we actually did unearth your 22-year-old interview tapes because at Emory University, at the Rare Book Library manuscript collection number 890, we found your archive. And just tell me how you feel as we go back to March 1962.
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So this is Bill Campbell that you're hearing. This is the play-by-play announcer in Philly, WCAU, the radio broadcast. But it's one of your interviewees, a primary source here, who is in the game somewhere on the court, Joe Rucklick, that I wanted to ask you about because Joe Rucklick sounds like he might be a guest on the McAfee show at times, revisiting some of these tapes.
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Hearing you in 03 talk to Joe Rucklick is a time machine inside of a time machine.
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Why do you think it's fake? Well, his allegation seems to be even a little more pointed than that. It was that Bill Campbell wasn't even there, actually. He wasn't really the announcer.
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As for just how Bush League Game 75 really was, I should acknowledge that Joe Rucklick, dead wrong about the tape of the fourth quarter being this false flag operation. Also, relatedly, it's funny that none of the online conspiracists that we mentioned before did enough research to be able to cite Joe Rucklick's theory in the first place.
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But it is pretty easy to imagine why the whole event did feel a bit confused.
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But Wilt Chamberlain, as he later explained in an interview with Bob Costas, was keeping score.
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Are we sure?
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Kind of hungover. And so yes, Wilt would go on to average 50 points a game that season, but the man primarily tasked with stopping the single most unstoppable offensive performance in basketball history, arguably all of sports history, was not supposed to be starting that night. And instead, what he became was the answer to a trivia question. Forever. Forever.
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Granny style.
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What did Daryl say to you particularly, Gary, if you recall, in your interview with him about the refs?
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Do you remember the first time you heard somebody casting aspersions on the subject that you have literally written the book about?
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So this is where I need to observe that everybody who's been trying to undermine Wilt's record by asking if it really happened has been asking the wrong question. Because what Daryl Imhoff is arguing here as one of the principles is not that the 100-point game never took place.
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What Daryl is arguing is that compared to other great performances, Wilt's 100 was abnormal and ultimately illegitimate to the point of being, quote, a farce.
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There's a moment, you know, just in terms of recreating when people began to realize we're witnessing something that we'll be talking about forever. There's the moment where Bill Campbell, the play-by-play guy on the radio broadcast, says...
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This brings us, as we get deeper into the fourth quarter, Gary, to the 98-point mark. So the psychology of the 98-point moment here. Who gets the ball to Will? How does this play unfold here?
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What was the call? What was the sequence of events to get to the number?
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And yeah, I understand why. I mean, it's worth remembering here that the most enduring image of that night, the thing that everybody remembers still today, was the Big Dipper holding a piece of paper with the number of points he scored written on it. But the person responsible for that meme, it turns out, was not Wilt Chamberlain. It was the same Warriors statistician that Gary mentioned earlier.
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A man named Harvey Pollack.
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Well, that's it, right? The discrepancy between what the radio announcer was saying versus the official score. There's all this confusion. You hear it on the tape a couple of times. But what the octopus...
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He makes sure to establish that there is no ambiguity around how many points Will Chamberlain scored because he does the thing that results in the one piece of evidence that I think every basketball fan has seen.
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So this is where I should point out what might now feel obvious, which is that every person that Gary Pomerantz has mentioned to this point, every voice you've heard on this episode has passed away. This will forever be a story about hidden boxes and lost recordings and secondary sources and truly tricky ambiguities.
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which is something that Wilt Chamberlain himself, who died in 1999, eventually learned to accept.
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But in our research near the end here, we were able to find one last primary source for the online exhibit we've been building. A person who at 86 years young still has a unique and even poetic perspective on what really happened in Hershey, Pennsylvania on March 2nd, 1962. Tom, give me the pronunciation of your name. I just want to make sure I'm getting it right.
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Meshary. Okay, good, good, good, good. Didn't know where the accent or the stress was going to be, but Meshary makes total sense.
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Masheria Moore. Yes, a different nickname for a bruiser power forward.
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And Tom Asheri really was good at basketball. The Warriors, who eventually relocated from Philly to the Bay Area, retired his number. And Tom was in the starting lineup playing 40 minutes right alongside his teammate, Will Chamberlain, in Hershey, Pennsylvania, on the day in question.
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And while Tom would go on to spend 24 years as a high school English teacher and also write five books of poetry and six novels and two memoirs... On my mother's side, I'm related to the local story. He still thinks about Hershey. All the time. In part because it was his very first season. in the NBA.
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I'm getting the sense that as much as you were a guy who was not there to shoot that night, you enjoyed spectating yourself.
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Yeah, look, the question of why people question it.
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Well, one of the things I wanted to fact check with you was a theory of a different kind, because one of the people that was interviewed by Gary Pomerantz in his book is a gentleman by the name of Daryl Imhoff. You remember Daryl in some?
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Why? Why did you do that, Tom?
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I'm getting the sense that the Mad Manchurian may have also earned that nickname because you also tried to hit Daryl with a chair.
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So the anniversary of one of the most iconic performances in the history of sports is approaching on Sunday. But what most distinguishes Wilt Chamberlain's single game scoring record is that right now, for each of his points on March 2nd, 1962, there appears to be just as many questions. 60 plus years later,
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But I bring up Daryl Imhoff now not simply because you have this personal backstory with him, but because I need you to help fact-check something that he told Gary Pomerantz that we discovered in the course of fact-checking the story of that night. Because the allegation that Daryl makes, of course, is not that the 100 points did not happen. He was there.
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He, in fact, personally was responsible for quite a number of those points, trying to guard Wilt. The allegation that Daryl Imhoff made on tape was this, quote, The 100-point game was a farce.
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He accused you guys of pouring it on.
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So this is where I do need to jump in here and let cooler heads prevail for a second for the sake of posterity, if nothing else. Because, yes, I have apparently go to the bad Manchurian at age 86 back into bloodlust. But also because the thing that courses inside of Tom, the thing in his blood, as mentioned before. Is really poetry.
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And so you may not be surprised to find out at this point that the Big Dipper was not just a teammate and a friend to Tom, but also a muse.
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Would you mind reading some of the poem that you just wrote last night for me?
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I was wondering when the Mad Manchurian might read from his latest work.
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Tom, the mad Manchurian, the poet laureate of the NBA, you contain multitudes and you observed multitudes. And I very, very sincerely thank you for joining us.
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And on and on it goes across Reddit and TikTok and YouTube to the point where we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out got a voicemail about this topic at our detective agency hotline, 513-85-Pablo. Hey, Pablo.
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Now, those callers sounded reasonable enough to us that we finally decided it was time to get to the bottom of what seems to be a global mystery. And the first person we called was Stanford professor Gary Pomerantz, the aforementioned author of the book Wilt 1962. And Gary immediately established something.
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He established that one tricky thing about fact checking Wilt Chamberlain is that Wilt Chamberlain's whole brand was to be larger than life.
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I had to do a lot of just reacquainting myself with history as well for this. Wilt was singing his own tune, literally, on American Bandstand, right? By the river, down by the river.
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That's the number that people are most, you know, had been most obsessed with, that statistic, 20,000.
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When you heard from us, Gary Pomerantz, that we wanted to do this topic because of what people had been saying on the Internet, were you excited?
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You should know that Hershey, Pennsylvania, population in 1962, about 7,000, sits in the shadow of Amish country. That's where the chocolate capital of America is located, which doesn't entirely explain why there is no full recording of the Philadelphia Warriors game against the visiting New York Knicks on March 2nd, 1962. But electricity in general was scarce. The game wasn't televised.
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The NBA, as Gary said, was basically a lounge act. But the sport was big enough for an AM radio station, WCAU Philadelphia. Except it soon became clear, particularly to legendary play-by-play man Bill Campbell, who was frantically calling technicians back at the station in Philly, that nobody involved with this broadcast had actually kept a tape of the game. which then created a puzzle of its own.
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But very recently, about 60-plus years later, something kind of crazy Because we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out found a Philly basketball fan by the name of Sammy Marcus. And Sammy Marcus had never given an interview about this before. But in 1962, Sammy used to listen to every Warriors radio broadcast. On March 2nd, however, that Friday, he decided to do something different.
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He went to go see the Elizabeth Taylor film Butterfield 8. And then...
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And so Sammy ran over to his friend's house with his own recorder and microphone, and he bootlegged that puzzle piece right off the speakers. And it's a tape he still has today.
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all of which is how the NBA got a copy of a grainy secondhand recording of history, or at least a fraction of that history. But as for the rest of Wilt's pivotal fourth quarter, including the Knicks' possessions, the way we wound up finding that involved a different box entirely.
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And this puzzle piece, it turns out, was the full fourth quarter. But it wasn't taped in Hershey. At all, actually. It was taped at UMass Amherst by an aspiring student broadcaster named Jim, who listened by rigging his transistor radio to the five-story heating pipe in his dormitory.
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And that night, in that dorm, Jim broke out a reel-to-reel tape recorder, apparently, the one his girlfriend had been using for elocution lessons, And many years later, those reels would finally find their way back home.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is. Oh my God.
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I was at a wedding recently with Mina, and she got hammered.
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It's entirely relevant. It's the one topic where it is relevant.
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Weddings are the ultimate party.
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They're their own thing.
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Because I was talking to her.
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You're just talking like this.
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They can't stop my homies. No, that's not how I sound. They're trying to go too deep. They're trying to do too deep.
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There was a lot of slurred positive reinforcement now that I think about it.
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Mina, what did you bring us clear-headedly to discuss today?
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When he was the 45th president.
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And then 47.
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I mean, not wrong, not wrong. Also incoherent.
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Yeah, like Violet loves grilled cheese. Like that's a 99% success rate. But also sometimes she just won't want to eat it.
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Katie. Yeah, I'm... You use this. I know. You among us are clearly the most power user.
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Do you agree that TikTok and its popularity is rooted in this? branding that it's the one social media app where you actually tend to feel good. Like that seems to be, it's joyous, it's fun.
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Right. So like part of my understanding was that TikTok in America was very different from TikTok in China and that we got the version that is far more brain rotting than the one in China. And that to your point about like, is it corrupting its users health in some way? I can see the argument there. That made sense.
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When it comes to like privacy, though, which is another big plank in this sort of argument, it just feels like nobody cares. Yeah. Like, as much as it is on paper a really important priority, nobody cares.
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Including the TikTok CEO.
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But Mina, the whole thing about like kids, it's also adults who just, I think are like, we are so far gone. Yeah. Like we're not losing sleep over this. And so who's actually fighting for the banning of this thing other than people who are worried about, you know, the Chinese government from a governmental political perspective?
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Right after this ad.
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Katie, like the whole thing about we're going to lose all of this stuff. What would you have missed the most as you were contemplating TikTok being at least temporarily banned?
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So did it feel like that though? Is that part of TikTok's whole thing? Is that unlike Instagram where it's like tied to your, to some real account? Like TikTok was sort of a more open field of...
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Well, it's the opposite of, like, the typical child psychology thing of, like, they like playing with the cardboard box more than they like what's in it. Like, Nino has fancy tastes. Nino is ordering, like, from the bottom of the menu up. He's looking at the prices.
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Yeah, kind of. But that question being of, like, what can you not do?
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get elsewhere like what is this doing that the other places that we're all subscribed to in ways that make us think we're all so far gone on privacy that why do we even care anymore we have so many of these apps like that part like is there a unique argument for what tiktok was able to cultivate i think katie just made it right which is like the idea of like regular people surfing a wave and that discovery you would get from seeing someone who either was just very funny you
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Yeah, I think that it's hard to say that this is uniquely harmful, even if it is maybe uniquely compromised by the government that had sort of co-signed it and exported it to us. But I guess the question is, would you rather have newspapers or this? Newspapers. This is where I would insert that song that you said you were going to find. You can insert it in post.
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So our producers, using sophisticated artificial intelligence adjacent technology, did a bit of scouting. They found some faces from around the NFL playoffs and the outer regions they're in. And we're going to see what it's like when some people look like, I don't know. What is this? What's the way I want to say this? What's the way I want to say this?
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Show the first photo.
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Yeah. We're hot or nodding. The coaches as women. The female versions of a variety of men involved in the NFL. Because I looked for that list that Mina had referenced. No one had done it. And so we were the change we wanted to see in the world.
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Yeah. Andrea Reid.
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Does she look friendly to you?
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I think that she has lots of things that she has recipes for that have numbers in the title. Like a six cheese macaroni.
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Did you not know this? What do we got next?
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Here we go.
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Speaking of precocious.
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Also named CJ. CJ works, I think.
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Catherine Jane Stroud. I'm getting high school musical. I'm getting a sunniness in her eyes. I think this person likes to dance in a group setting. I think she's cool.
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Was the hair changed? Was the hair changed at all? Barely.
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Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know this person, right?
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He did host a reality show.
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That seemed less likable than he is now.
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Field hockey.
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Yeah, part down the middle.
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Look at her. Mina's encountered Samantha before.
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honestly any Instagram post that's in like the second person that's a thing it's a thing right you'll do it yeah it's like you're a civil war general writing to I just I may be full disclosure I may be related to some people who do this and I can't I definitely have people in my life I'm nervous about putting this out there into the universe yeah everyone's like compiling like a beautifully like intentionally crafted and tattered scrapbook um
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What's next, guys? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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Hard to look at.
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This is Senator Elizabeth Warren. She just snuck her into this.
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You're so close.
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Shares a first name with someone in your life.
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It's Dan Quinn.
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That's Dan Quinn.
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That's like a... Yo, Dan Quinn is a MILF. Can I just say that? Yeah. I'm into Dan Quinn. You can.
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Patricia Mahomes is a little too eager.
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I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting eager. Thirst.
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So the reason this is remarkable.
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Like, the thing about that theory is that we didn't superimpose your brother's face onto your body. That's actually what the technology gave us.
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For various reasons, this looks... identical to Isaac Kams.
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Mina said it. And that's the best part.
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Yep.
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We're getting some top notes of Garoppolo.
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How did it make her jacked? Some Ricky Martin.
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Katie... This is weird. Sebastian Stan also, people are saying, many are saying. But you're a Chad. She is a Chad. A Giga Chad? A Tetra Giga Chad. A Tetra Chad? How does this compare to your brother, Kevin?
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Do we have another angle on this that we can examine?
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That's Jimmy G. That is Jimmy... This guy, Keith Nolan, loves and deserves the finest adult film star to join him at dinner.
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Myrtle looks completely nonplussed.
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Happy birthday, Myrtle.
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I'm not just saying this, but, like, if you were to split screen this with Melissa McCarthy, it would be pretty... I think there'd be similarities.
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Pretty much the same.
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Oh, hello.
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I look... Again, Katie is a predator. We're learning. But... objectively speaking, you know, you want to protect this. You want to protect this vulnerable creature. Bright eyes, whole life ahead of her.
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I think we should probably stop doing this now.
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This was a successful podcast.
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Great.
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What I found out.
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What I found out at the end of today's episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out, is that I will never take lightly Katie Nolan's vulnerability when showing us a TikTok. You guys are out of your minds!
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Sorry, I prefer to save journalism instead of whatever the f*** that was.
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Yeah. This is, this is, this is unfortunately a recurring and genuine phenomenon.
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Why?
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Why is there a dancing small white child in front of Kendrick Lamar? I feel like.
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Okay. Very good.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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Like, you're not like... Yes, dear Violet.
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Dear Violet, you never wipe your hands after you eat. And you like drying those same hands on our leather sofa, which your father admits was a terrible investment in retrospect, given your personal disrespect for it.
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I was going to say, you do look like a boombox holding panda. Is that what Parappa was?
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Parappa was a dog, I'm informed.
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Yeah, it had like a winter beanie.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Miss Rachel? I'm not familiar with Miss Rachel.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Miss Rachel. This is the cinematic, the Sesame Street cinematic universe.
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Hold on, hold on. Show her the guy.
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Okay, so whenever Mina says this guy looks like you, I start off offended and then begrudgingly admit that she's right.
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So I'm going to Google Miss Rachel, Filipino guy. It's going to come up immediately.
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If I grew like a… I mean hot, Pablo. We got to stop doing that.
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We got to stop inventing hotter me's. We got to stop labeling… I'll tell people to stop making them. The Gary Streisky's of the world. The only person I've banned from this program for being… Pablo.
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I regret this episode already.
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I have missed this. Yeah. We haven't done this since the pandemic. The three of us? I think so. I mean, certainly on this show. I think we've certainly, like, seen each other in life.
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In which, again, we talk about our kids, and then you show up late, and we pivot to what we're doing.
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Should we start with a very visual game, or do you want to get into some of the stories that I think we're all legitimately into? It's your show, babe. What should we do?
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Oh, that's right. Hello, Katie Nolan, host of Casuals, a new podcast for all of us to like and subscribe.
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I've not been invited. I've merely just been waiting.
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I'm unbooked and unbusy.
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Well, that's now very sad. Katie, what did you bring us?
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Which is a massive story. Oh, no, it's a massive story. It's a massive story. In fact, can I just explain how massive this story is? Because I was looking for the news coverage of Party City's demise, and we did find this. It appears the party is over for Party City. The party is over for one business that specializes in just that, parties.
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The largest supplier of Mylar balloons, disposable plates, other things that we need.
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Done.
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After 40 years.
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How dare both of you?
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I don't know where you get balloons anymore.
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I mean, look, there are a lot of articles now where it's like, did you know that only 1.7% of Americans have smiled this year? And it's like, f***, people stop smiling. But this is an article that resonates because the whole notion of people throwing parties for each other has like objectively declined. It's happening less and less. And we are, Mina, you are headed to...
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the party capital of the sports world very soon.
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We should do what we always do when we're waiting for Katie to show up. We should do what we always do when she's running late, which is let's talk about our kids. Let's get that out of the way.
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You got to invite all the kids.
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My philosophy on the children's birthday party, first of all, either you got to make it under an hour or like an hour or less, or it needs to be equipped for parents to just hang out and talk. And I am so appreciative for these like, what do you call them? Like these like bouncy floored, like, oh, you can have the kids just like run around like tornadoes and shit. And then we're done. Yeah.
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And then we're done. But the thing about like the party as an institution is that it seems like even the young people are wondering. There was, again, the anecdotal evidence here six months ago on Reddit. Someone asked one of the, quote, saddest questions anyone ever seen on the social platform, which was, quote, did anybody else think there would be more parties?
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How's Nino doing? What are his measurables?
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And the way we grew up and the movies we see. Yeah, I feel like that's that's it feels like that is. not happening in the way that the TV shows had promised us.
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So, okay, so the house party, I should say, because I grew up in New York. You've never really had. Not a f***ing thing.
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Like, not a real thing. So much about New York apartments that they're too small to have people over.
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And so my view of, like, the house party really was just, like, when I got to college, I got a sense of, like, oh, this is what that's like. But I never actually experienced or hosted anything or attended anything like that. Never, never. No one's parents were back in the driveway and we had to rush to, there were no driveways. Oh, that specifically has happened to me. There were no driveways.
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What are you feeding him? What's he into food-wise these days?
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I recently did wonder while I was just unable to sleep one night recently. Like, could I recreate my entire living room from memory?
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I could not.
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Well, that's the takeaway from this article is that like if we all threw two parties a year, that's the action item. America would be in a better place.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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At this point, these news sources I was cultivating informed me of another major development. Because remember when we posed the question about what other videos are there out there? What could there be? Turns out that there, in fact, is another video of Bill Belichick from this ring cam that had been floating out into the ether. And so I want to remind you again, this was the original.
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I mean, he's sort of like wandering around like a dazed bear. Yeah.
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Goes to reach into the... Where's his shirt? Wheel well. The wheel well. Where's his shirt? He's shirtless. Where's the shirt? It's in the wheel well. I got... Good news and bad news.
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The bad news is I have no idea where his shirt is.
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Because here exclusively for the first time is the other video.
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He has a satchel. Yeah, it's got a little murse.
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Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week. And that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building. She is not allowed on the football field.
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Bedhead. That is a clinical case of bedhead.
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Well, I'm glad you asked. Because simultaneously, what at M. Cantau, who turned out to be a German geoguessr, what he sent me is a message. And the message, quote, is, the ring cam is located here. Yeah, that's terrifying. And then he named the town. He named the address. He gave me a couple screenshots from Google Maps.
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I was also sweaty, a bit nervous.
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Because at this point, I decided to take a trip.
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You've raised the number of very legitimate questions about how it is that we just played you a video of me, uh, On that porch.
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Okay, so.
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So the first thing I should explain is that.
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There's a box underneath the table.
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The next thing is the box. Please get the box.
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I'm lightheaded.
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What I should explain is that the day before I went on this reporting trip to this house, I went to Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe's live podcast. Shout out. Shout out to a touch more. And they had gift bags. And this is not a joke. They were literally giving away Ring cams.
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Right after this ad.
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This is my ring cam.
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That we set up at that house.
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Now, what I did do, though— You don't want to touch it anymore?
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I'm scared of it. What I did do, though, as we explain how it is that we have ring camera footage of me doing that, is that I found the Airbnb listing, which had been taken down previously. It was not the same one, but I was matching photos. And I wasn't sure if it was the house. Like, how could you really tell? It wasn't exactly— you know, screenshots of the Ring camera video that we had shown.
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But the smoking gun did reveal itself among the reviews.
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And that review encouraged me to rent this Airbnb. Wow. So... At this point, I'd like to take you on a tour.
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Of my vacation getaway.
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No. So here I am in the foyer. There's the curtain in front of the washer dryer. This is the door to the kitchen.
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You know, it's very nice.
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It's very nice. Railroad style. Long hallway. Okay. And we're at the end of the property. This is about 700 square feet. There's some nautical theme stuff you may see. Very clean, very nice. Opening up of the sheer curtains to the bedroom. Oh, whoa.
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And there is one straight line. It has like, you know, a college dorm sort of scale to it.
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It might be.
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It is the downstairs apartment of a house in Winthrop, Massachusetts. Winthrop, of course.
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just outside of Boston. And so that, yeah, I think that's a full or a double bed.
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Yeah.
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And when I took this tour and I got the gist, I was like, I think my work here is done.
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Yeah. I tried. I tried to be done. Yeah. I tried to leave. But what happened was— Just when you thought you were out. The upstairs owner was like, I want to introduce myself. Oh?
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Once again, Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz-Cain, thank you for being here, and I'm sorry.
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She came downstairs, stopped by, and for better and for worse, recognized me. Oh, dear! Yeah. At which point I said, hi, would you be willing to answer a few questions about your property and what seems to be the most famous porch in Massachusetts? And provided that we kept her anonymous and just used the audio, she agreed. Oh my God. What's your relationship to this place?
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And you guys are sports fans?
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You have papers again in front of you. That's crazy. There's a box. There's a box in this room under this table. We're going to find out what's in the box because this is even weirder than it was last time. That's impossible.
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But it works. So this is the couple that owns the Airbnb. They seem sweet. They do seem sweet. They are very sweet. And something that they make clear, which is insane to me, is that they didn't own it for that long before this all happened to them. And as a new host, as you now learned through her experience with me, she's very friendly. And she offered the same courtesy to Jordan Hudson.
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I am so glad you asked that question. Yes, finally.
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I went on a reporting trip this weekend. What do you mean? I left my family to do this.
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I mean, with that accent, I can only discern this to be the most genuine reaction for a Bostonian Patriots fan to have when he's not sure, is this man Bill Belichick?
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So this was, as Key Context is concerned, the second Airbnb guest they ever had.
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And this was happening. This video was taken on June 28th. 2023 during OTAs, organized team activities in the NFL. And I just need to clarify something because when it comes to how the video originally circulated, how did it get out? This was the original mystery that compelled me to even go, which is like, where did this come from? How did this get out here? Who leaked it?
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This episode will involve yet more online reviews. Oh, God. As a brief foreshadowing. And we tried not to do this. We did an episode about Vladimir Putin's partnership with a German soccer team. Okay. And this was important reporting. And the response from Greg Dickerson on Twitter was, quote, stop wasting your time with the small time stuff like Putin. We need more Belichick ring camera videos.
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And they wanted to be extraordinarily clear that not only was it not them, They regret not making money off of this because this is what happened.
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They sent it to some friends and were like, is this Bill Belichick, the favorite coach of the man who co-owns this house? And everybody that they sent it to was like, of course it is Bill Belichick.
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I think there is a chain of custody beyond which they have zero visibility.
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And someone... I mean, what other proof I have that this is not them has to do with the fact that some of my sources who tipped me off to the fact that this is an Airbnb outside of Boston, I got sent screenshots of group chats from before this was released.
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And it's all... lots of people in the Boston area just talking about how this thing is about to drop and it's just, and they're not in it for whatever that's worth. But lots of people clearly were like trading this video until it made its way out.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry.
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Thanks. Oh, and I should clarify that like a key part of what I'm finding out, by the way, to be very, very clear is that I also don't have any evidence that Jordan Hudson is the one who leaked this.
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So like the whole thing of did Jordan release the tape? Was it her house? Did she release the video herself? The thing that she did that was not the greatest, again, opsec, as they say in like the Defense Department.
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You got it. You got it. Nice. is that it didn't seem like Bill Belichick was aware that, in fact, in the listing for this Airbnb, it very clearly says there's a ring cam as he was wandering back and forth loading his car before 6 a.m., which you can tell also in the timestamps.
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So I do want to go back to the tweet that I feel like is increasingly accurate that Jordan Hudson retweeted.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. Because when you go to that tweet on her page and you click on it and you're like, what is this in response to? It is a response to this awful announcing article that is aggregating a piece of information that I had in our first episode that we did together. And it said, quote, Pablo Torre, colon, Jordan Hudson was around Patriots as early as 2021. That is the response.
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That is the tweet that led Daddy G to say, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby. This is also a bit of information that people have doubted. People have doubted whether she could possibly have been around the Patriots in 2021. For instance, on Twitter, there's a guy, Jamie McDonald, who said, quote, yeah, I don't believe a thing this dude says, honestly.
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Maybe she was, but if Pablo Torre is the one saying it, I don't believe it. And then he goes on to further disparage my credibility in general. How dare. The New York Times reported this week, quote, Ms.
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Hudson has not shared publicly when or how her romantic relationship with Mr. Belichick began in earnest, but by the summer of 2023, she was spending time in Foxborough, Mass., where the Patriots are headquartered, end quote. And so this brings us back to this larger question about what did NFL teams know? What did anybody know about their relationship?
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Such that the teams that were contemplating interviewing, even hiring Bill Belichick to be their head coach, and possibly more, which again, no one did. This question sort of rests on this timeline of like, so when was she around? When did this relationship start? When was she around NFL buildings? And so...
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And so after the episode came out and everybody was making a big deal of the fact that I said that Jordan Hudson was banned from the Carolina football facilities, from the field, from the program, that she wasn't welcome there, wasn't wanted there, all that stuff. University of North Carolina had a choice to make when it came to their response. They could have said, this reporter is incorrect.
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I had to figure out how do I prove what I had been told, which is that she was around Gillette Stadium in November, 2021. How do I prove this? And so Michael. Oh no. You got papers in front of you. Oh my God. And I want you to describe what it is that you are seeing.
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Okay. That I didn't know about until last week. I know about this.
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Impression. What I didn't realize is that this was a whole searchable thing with, like, high-definition cameras everywhere where you could zoom in to any part of the stadium.
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It is, in fact, a Patriots Panopticon.
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What I found after exhaustive searching of the Patriots fan cam database... Good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby.
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Was the Sunday, November 28th, 2021, when the Tennessee Titans visited the New England Patriots. I don't understand.
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28th? 28th, 2021. It's the Patriots' 36-13 win over the Tennessee Titans. You may recall it as the time Mac Jones threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns. Ramond Ray Stevenson had 46 yards on the ground. Jacoby Myers, 98 yards receiving. What I learned in my reporting is that Bill Belichick has a row of seats.
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He has multiple seats outdoors, not merely in his luxury box somewhere, but out right beneath the overhang in Gillette Stadium, which is a pretty good seat, it turns out. Good sight lines also cover from the elements. And what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium's fan cams You're telling me that you just went through it?
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I knew roughly the month, November. I didn't know exactly the section. And what was a real mother****er for me was that when you start doing this, the first set of photos is from pregame. And so when you go to that, you don't see... three people who seem to be sitting together in those seats. You, in fact, almost contemplate giving up on this episode entirely.
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She is welcome here. Period. What they did, though, was release a statement.
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Yeah, sure. I don't see anything. Only to realize that, in fact, there's a time-lapse dynamic in which you click forward to like the first quarter. And suddenly materializing in three empty seats are three people that I recognize because a separate bit of photography I had seen before is in fact a photo of Jordan Hudson at a Patriots game. And that is… The next piece of paper.
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So Jordan had posted this photo on Facebook of her and two people that I don't know. And I… did some basic research and may or may not know who they are, but that's largely relevant to what we're doing here. And yes, you can clearly see that this is Jordan Hudson wearing the same outfit in the fan cam video alongside two people who are also wearing the identical outfits.
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I do often think about what New England Bill Belichick would say to North Carolina Bill Belichick when it comes to the concept of distraction and media strategy and who to trust. Because if nothing else, what we are talking about, beyond a story about power, which was the theme of the last episode we did, it's just a story where you pull at any thread and you will find...
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in some cases, a literal thread attached to a mattress in an Airbnb in Massachusetts, or in the case of Gillette Stadium, a trail that goes back on camera that is verifiable years earlier. And all I'm saying is, The whole thing about, like, don't be a distraction, do your job, we don't talk or worry about the media.
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We are seeing one character become so opposite that it has been disorienting for everybody involved.
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So this is where I do need to reiterate that for all of my reporting here, neither Jordan Hudson nor Bill Belichick nor the University of North Carolina has responded to our requests for comment. And look, yes, this story may have very, very dumb aspects to it. Fully acknowledge that.
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but it is also the story of the most highly paid public employee in the state of North Carolina today, who also happens to be the greatest coach in the history of America's most popular sport, as well as the foremost cultural example of what it means to do your job and eliminate distraction, as he preached to the greatest and most famous quarterback of all time, who was publicly joking about the video whose mystery we have now solved today.
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And so look, yes, if you think sports are important, I find it hard to not treat this story as worthy of inspection, regardless of the whole age gap dynamic, regardless of the whole he met her on a plane when she was 19 years old thing, although I also consider that worth mentioning.
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She became the person Bill Belichick empowered to the point where he told North Carolina to CC her on every single email sent to him.
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She was managing his public image and actual media businesses, and the people who diminish her influence, as well as fail to consider the influence this had on NFL hiring processes, clearly didn't talk to the same people that I have now interviewed, let alone his family and his inner circle and university administrators. But Jordan Hudson and I agree on two things, at the very least.
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Number one, I really do need a new hobby. I've spent way too much time reporting, fact-checking. For instance, this week, the New York Times reported that Jordan Hudson has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are now engaged to be married. What I can tell you is that as recently as March, Belichick told a friend who directly asked him about this that they are not engaged.
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And if they are, mazel tov. But the second thing that Jordan Hudson and I absolutely agree on brings me back to Winthrop, Massachusetts.
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She doesn't work here, that's for sure. Which is an interesting thing that only became more accentuated when Bill Belichick resumed his press tour for this book that was the whole heart of the CBS Sunday morning thing that went haywire. And the messaging seemed to take on a very deliberate new tone.
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It has an in-unit washer and dryer, a dining area slash workspace, excellent water pressure, by the way, a relatively new smart television, a full-size bed with freshly changed sheets, and this sheer curtain, which provides some privacy, but not quite as much as you'd think. 5 stars.
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Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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So, you know, it just seems like there has been a change, right? They had a new PR person. This guy, Brandon Faber, used to work for the Chicago Bears. He's now the PR person in charge. It's not Jordan Hudson. She is, as Belichick said, off to the side. Only a personal thing, not personal and professional, as she had said in that statement previously released.
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But it was complicated, I thought, when I heard Channing Crowder, one of the co-hosts of the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark, the last interviewer in that montage, because he described his experience on set with Bill Belichick in that interview like this.
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A bit more complicated behind the scenes once again. The second reaction I have, though, is that I want Katie Nolan to turn over the first page.
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You might need to. I mean, look, what's been happening is that Jordan Hudson has been sidelined.
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Except she's also still around.
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She is not speaking, actually.
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First page only.
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She's not incorrect that my life has been consumed by this story. And she is so correct, actually, that the real reason I summoned you here is not for any of the shit we just ran through.
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It's to get to the fact that there is a thing that we didn't even put into the original episode that we did.
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I'm excited and scared.
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It became world famous, and I mean that literally, because of Tom Brady. who Katie Nolan may recall from his work with the New England Patriots.
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Because he was the center of a Netflix roast, and everybody who was there was some version of associated or instrumental to the New England Patriots and their dynasty, including Bill Belichick. And when millions of people around the world tuned in, they heard Tom Brady say this.
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It's not dissimilar either. Are you guys familiar with this RingCam video?
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I'm scared of it. No, because it went viral, truly, in November 2023. But the video, for those not familiar, did look like this.
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Well, what happened with this video is that there have been a flood of questions.
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But nobody has ever determined the truth of where this video comes from. Until. When it was taped. If there are other videos out there. Until. Now. Until now.
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So the Ring camera in question, the video that got circulated all over the internet, some Boston-area person actually watermarked it. It went viral. And it was most famously described in my research this way, quote, DailyMail.com can reveal the expatriate's coach was sneaking out of the Massachusetts home of his 24-year-old former cheerleader girlfriend, Jordan Hudson.
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The Ring footage, believed to be from November last year, shows the legend shirtless opening the front door of Hudson's $800,000 Massachusetts property in the early hours of the morning. What? weird detail a lot of people by the way because of this i think understandably uh they have theorized that did this leak come from inside the house yeah as it were did jordan hudson
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maybe leak this, is a theory that has been promulgated. I can tell you that Bill Belichick's own family has been terrified, panicked by this video existing. Imagine if suddenly your 70-year-old patriarch is shown shirtless, you know, bountifully. Bountifully? Effectively. Zoftig, I believe.
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And they say, where did this come from? What else is happening here?
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Yeah. And in fact, one NFL executive whose team discussed hiring Bill Belichick last offseason before the entire league turned Belichick down, says their front office saw the video, didn't know what to make of this video when it got circulated online. This has been a big part of the story behind the scenes.
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It is a missing piece of Belichick's personal and professional trajectory, to paraphrase Jordan Hudson before. And I didn't want to take any of this reporting at face value, of course. So when I appeared on a podcast, pardon my take, I used their platform to say this. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy, Rainbolt, who's the geocaster guy.
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Yeah, he's incredible. And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery.
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He's the geoguessing goat.
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Okay.
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And he said at 9.12 a.m., I've been sent that podcast clip many times, ha-ha, period. I'm not home for about a week, but just LMK what you need from me, and I can see what I can do later. Salute emoji. I respond, send him some screenshots, the video that you saw of Belichick, the ring cam, and he replied, currently at 18,000 feet in Nepal, but I'll do my best, ha ha ha ha ha, exclamation point.
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What? Supposed to be back Tuesday, but will send to friends that can get an early jump that are just as talented.
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The side side story is that apparently... There is an Avengers-level roster of geoguessers. That's sick. Because what Rainbolt says on Saturday at 10.06 a.m. is, all right, sent out to about eight highly skilled individuals. Terrifying. Including At M. Cantau, who is a wizard in his own right, will keep you updated, exclamation point.
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My army of eight geoguessers. proceeded to be on the case. And as I'm waiting for this army of eight geoguessers to help us with our reporting, simultaneously, because I've been on all these things, all these shows, talking about this story in my reporting. So many. I started getting a couple tips.
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And what these tips started suggesting to me, and I had to track all this stuff down, try to verify it, fact check it, is that this house, actually, there's a key detail that has been misreported. It was actually an Airbnb. The problem being that the listing had been taken down. And so there was another dead end but a clue.
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Ich freue mich, dass du dich hier bringst, Izzy. Ich habe die Vergleiche zu Dwayne Wade gemacht, wo es so aussieht, als wäre es ein Typ, der Doppelteams splittet und den Hoop fährt, wie kein anderer in der NBA. Und seine Möglichkeit, zu verzweifeln. Letzte Nacht gab es einen Anruf gegen Rudy Gobert, wo Gobert gegen SGA gerufen wurde. Und alle haben ihre Gedanken verloren.
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Aber das war, weil SGA in der Lage war, sich in die Linie zu bringen, sich genug zu langsamen, um Gobert für einen Moment zu zerstören. Dann steigt er sofort zurück und legt den Ball auf den Boden. Was macht Gobert? Er rechnet dort und SGA kann aufstehen.
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Und das ist das, was ich frustrierend finde, dass die Leute die Kunst von dem machen, was er macht, mit dem, was sie denken, dass eine Narrative sein soll. Ich habe das Spiel gestern Abend ohne Twitter gesehen und es war unglaublich, weil ich das Spiel durch die Perspektive gesehen habe, wie geht dieses Spiel und nicht darüber, worum die Narrativen online waren.
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Und als ich es beendet habe, war ich so, das war ein ebenes, referiertes Spiel. Das ist ein Typ, der die Linie bekommt. Anthony Edwards hat auch die Linie bekommen. Und dann drehe ich mich um. Und dann gehe ich auf Twitter und plötzlich... Die ganze Geschichte, die ich auf Twitter sehe, sind nur Leute, die sagen, er ist ein Foul Merchant. Es ist so frustrierend.
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Ich wünsche mir, dass Leute einen Moment nehmen würden, um diese Spiele zu schauen, ohne sich über das Gruppen-Think zu kümmern, das auf Social Media steht. Denn es macht den Sport so viel besser. Es erlaubt dir, die Art zu genießen, die du siehst.
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Ja, dieses ganze Show hat mich erkannt, dass mein Erfolg, den ich hatte, ein verrücktes Wunder ist.
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I can make another comparison here with SGA that is sort of like... Er kriegt immer Anrufe, das ist wie ein guter Startspieler im Baseball, der die Runde verdient. Wenn du die Runde immer und immer und immer wieder hinkommst und immer wieder deinen Spot als Spieler schaffst, je weiter das Spiel weitergeht, desto mehr kannst du auf der Platte, auf dem Ball, anrufen.
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Und das ist, weil du gezeigt hast, dass du es kapabel bist. Wenn du SGA bist und du kapabel bist, legitime Anrufe zu machen, Yeah, there are gonna be the occasional moments where you get a foul called on you that, man, the blurred picture of me and Doug at the same time. I'm trying to power through, but this is becoming increasingly difficult.
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Sie haben so viele gute Draftpicks, dass sie Josh Giddey handeln konnten, der ein wirklich guter und produktiver Spieler ist, für einen Rollplayer wie Alex Caruso, weil sie wussten, dass sie den Rest ihres Rostes ausfüllen können. Er passt sogar besser auf das Team. Er passt sogar besser. Das ist der Grund, warum sie das gemacht haben.
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The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Aber das ist, was ich glaube, Teil der Grund, warum die Leute so frustriert sind mit Oklahoma City und SGA und dem ganzen Ding, ist, dass es nicht nur so fühlt, als ob sie nicht wirklich durch die Postseason leiden mussten. Sie mussten als Franchise leiden, weil sie sich Ich würde sagen, dass seine Takes viel schwieriger sind, wenn es keine Doug-Theme-Musik ist.
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The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Und die Unterschiede hier sind, dass sie älter geworden sind. Britney Spears, sie war eine junge Mädchen. Sie war eine junge Mädchen. Ja, aber sie war eine junge Mädchen, als sie eine Celebrität gewonnen hat. Sie hat nie die Chance gehabt, eine Entscheidung zu treffen. Sie hat nie die Chance gehabt, eine Entscheidung zu treffen.
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The Big Suey: The Future of the Thunder
Das sind zwei Leute, die die Entscheidung aktiv gemacht haben in ihren älteren Leben. Das ist, was wir bringen wollen. Wir wollen diesen öffentlichen Spotlight bringen. Und die Leute werden Fragen haben und in einen Rappenhaushalt gehen. Besonders, wenn du eine eine komplizierte Beziehung.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Look, it's Smokey. It's Al, but really Harvey. It's Phyllis from Mulga. I mean, Paul, these are characters that I feel like I know. And of course, Phyllis, God rest her soul. Her call in 2017 about Jim Harbaugh is still seared into my brain.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
There's an aspect of your show, of course, that is both therapy, that is confessional booth, that is, frankly, Occupy Wall Street when it comes to just the populism taking control of what feels like a very top-down bureaucracy otherwise. And in this scenario, like the person, of course, who has most grabbed my attention all season this season is a guy who goes by a single name.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
All right, so Legend. Okay. You may recall Legend from like 15 minutes ago, actually, because Legend happens to be the caller whose analysis of a team coached by Nick Saban's replacement, Kalen DeBoer, after losing to 5-5 Oklahoma earlier this season, Bama's third loss of said season, was this.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So the first thing I wanted to find out about Legend was simple. Do you ever call Legend his real name, Paul? No, I believe his real name is Gary. And it is Gary Wilson, it turns out, who has otherwise been working all sorts of jobs in Birmingham, Alabama. And so I decided that I should probably call up Gary myself. Hey, bro, can you hear me? I can hear you. I can see you.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Are you always wearing the glasses when you do this, when you make calls, when you talk, or is this just for me?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, when did you realize, how long did it take you to realize that Legend was going to be one of these special callers, maybe even special in a way that no one could quite replicate?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
When did sports radio become a thing that you knew you would enjoy?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But there is something else that I needed to clarify about legend, Gary, that is critical to understanding the broader Feinbaum community of colors and also how it is mathematically even possible that college football is the second most popular sport in the United States, right behind the NFL, and easily the most unhinged, which is that legend never actually attended the University of Alabama.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
All of which qualifies Legend, according to his own personal estimation, for a very special form of office, a leadership position in a truly startlingly enormous community. And it's the kind of office that, by definition, you cannot pay for.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
It's an unbelievable asset to hear from a guy like Legend what he did after Tennessee, after Alabama loses to Tennessee.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
The ivory tower still has a nice padded cushion in my seat, yeah.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
It will be that. No, you will be forever the guy who brought me the caller who said that losing to Oklahoma was like going to bed with Beyonce and waking up next to Whoopi Goldberg.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
The larger family of networks.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
I concur. In terms of just the callers and their own views of themselves, you know, I was talking to Legend, and Legend wanted to be very clear about this. He said, I am not Harvey Updike. Harvey Updike is a criminal. That's not me.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And of course, in my mind, I immediately went to, of course, Legend's own past.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
On paper, it is grisly, right? I mean, what we're talking about with Legend is a story of him when he's 17 years old. It's Winston County. It's northwest Alabama. The argument with his cousin over a girl, I believe he also mentioned.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And he goes to his father's gun cabinet. His dad's out. His dad apparently working in the coal mine. It's a .22 rifle. And he takes his cousin out to the woods. And he shoots Randy Barton, also 17, twice in the back of the head.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So if you're already wondering here why the most popular and influential sports radio show in the entirety of the South, beloved by those voices we just played for you, happens to be a program called The Paul Feinbaum Show, I get the question. Paul is a bald 69-year-old Jewish guy who is not from Alabama, although he has lived in Alabama now for 45 years.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
100%.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, you say you don't know the story of actually how Legend got the name Legend.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And that's how it happened. That's legendary. He had mentioned, I don't know if you remember this, but there was a moment, I guess, about a year and a half ago. I believe it was a school shooting of some kind.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And he said that this was the thing that made him want to go and actually take his act, so to speak, out on the road to these prisons.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And those same voices you heard have taken to comparing Paul's general look to Mr. Burns from The Simpsons, for instance, among other things. But the Paul Feinbaum Show, to be very clear, is a singular cultural institution
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
It does feel like Paul is giving out a kind of medication.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Legend now, okay, his mission now, right? He has a couple of missions, crusades for the good in life. He also wants to fire Kalen DeBoer.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, I don't know if you could even begin to disagree with my assessment here. That stuff is what makes the job itself at times so hard. Isn't it? The idea that this is a hot seat and the fire underneath, you can tune in and listen to it every time you put on the Feinbaum Show.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And this particular holiday season, Tuscaloosa's first without Nick Saban, arguably the greatest college football coach who ever lived, there is no radio show that I would rather hear.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But the influence is obvious to everybody, I think, who spends a couple minutes listening to the people that listen to you. And when I listen to Legend talk about what this particular holiday season is going to be like, Paul, I mean, let's just say it bluntly. This is a weird Christmas season.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yes, against a 7-5 Michigan team.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, Legend, for the record here, offered me his ticket to the Relia Quest Bowl.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
I hesitate to leave the ivory tower for the Reliaquest Bowl. Don't do it. You don't want to be seen there. No, no, God no. And so the question becomes, ahead of Christmas now, what do you want for Christmas, Paul Feinbaum? What do you hope for your audience?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
The leaves are rustling, Paul.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Paul, it's such a beautiful sentiment. And it may not surprise you to learn that when I asked Legend this same question, he said this.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
So, Paul Feinbaum, thank you for introducing me to your community, and happy holidays.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And so all we're left with now is a mental image, I suppose, of a young Paul Feinbaum a pie. and you're welcome for that. But what I did want to find out today is how Paul got into this mess, so to speak, in the first place.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Among all of the rabid cultures across the South and the Midwest, why is Alabama the place where this show is like this?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, and now I come to you in the post-Nick Saban era at a time when I think I am more interested in you and your audience than I've ever been. It's been a hell of a season for your show in all of these senses.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
This is surreal, though. The setup we have right now, I do feel like a caller on your show, which is... Well, you're a FaceTime caller. Yeah, I'm a first-time long-time. That is also true. I was thinking about how to explain you and your show to people in my life who don't already know the legend of your show, so to speak.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
When I tell you, though, that I first became aware of your show in earnest in about 2010, I imagine you can guess why. The saga of Al from Dadeville, Paul, I struggle to begin to summarize the Shakespearean and then criminal drama that was that story. How do you tell it for people not familiar with the lore?
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
And I realize that it's hard because I have to explain that I spend time with Paul Feinbaum early in the morning on MSNBC quite a bit.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
Yeah, sentenced to three years in prison, pleaded guilty to criminal damage of an agricultural facility. And it would be one thing if it was the story of your show, if that was like the one thing people talked about. I think it was the next year when a gentleman named Smokey calls you and he has a predicament.
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PTFO - The Legend of The Paul Finebaum Show: Behind the Scenes in "Scrooge City"
But, okay, hold on. What I'm finding out immediately is that Smokey still today is... All right.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Yeah, we lead the league in that, in snooty elitist approval, definitely.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
That's right. I'm an MSNBC analyst. It is a fun ivory tower where I get to be a jock. That's what I am over there. You're the popular.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm the sports guy who gets to be chill and hanging out with the fellas. That's what I do over there. Unlike here where I'm not respected really in any way. I'm reduced to a kind of like inset picture in picture thing where I just laugh at people do bits.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm a palate cleanser. I'm a palate cleanser, a representative of the thing that Americans actually care about in a place where people are genuinely worried and fretting about politics, about whatever is happening in D.C. right now, which, again, I think would be an awesome debate topic for Shannon Sharp to tackle. What do we do about the debt ceiling? He had to go.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Very good. I think that my role there is I love, look, I love talking about sports to people who don't actually know anything about sports. It's kind of the inverse of the exercise you just did. What if you knew something about sports and the audience did it? It's fantastic.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Don't wear glasses, actually. I'm a guy who doesn't wear glasses anymore. I wear contacts now. The library can be fun. Libraries can be fun. There are books in them. Put it on the poll, Juju.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
That's right. What we need more is just overconfident declarations of things as opposed to, you know, an open-minded curiosity. Sure, let's go that way instead of the way that I'm at. Open-minded?
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I'm actually here to say thank you, Dan. It's been a really long but incredible year for us in New York. We are a satellite upon the moon, upon the sun. Let's upgrade it to the largest celestial body that is you guys in Miami. And what I come here to say is, yes, we have a great episode today with Dan and Mina.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Yes, we had a great episode yesterday with Paul Feinbaum and the secret history of his collars and their criminal histories, which are both hilarious and profound. His collar? His collars. Oh, multiple different shirts. Got it. And they are not normal collars. Do not find a new slant. What I'm here to say is that it's a show that we really couldn't launch without Dan.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
And so when Dan talks about how much it costs, I reckon with that because... The whole thing is that we make a show with ambition that is powered by people who otherwise are not getting paid. Like we are paying journalists to go report stories for us. We're trying to go to death row as well as trying to buy a sculpture of myself made of butter. We're trying to do serious stuff and silly stuff.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
And I just want to say thank you legitimately because the premise of this company was we would get to make something from scratch that lived up to some amount of hype. And I am very proud that on some level we have done that. And it's really hard. And so thank you to Dan and to everybody in Miami for enabling the nonsense that I know you guys like to make fun of. But deep down.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I think you might like, just like a library, you know, has some fun stuff in it too.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Okay, hold on. By the way, just as an FYI, what I found out is that Dan should never be in a finance meeting. I shouldn't. Dan comes out of that thing, and he's like, I got takes. I'm like, oh, God.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Mike, can we get Dan out of the meetings? Why is he in the meetings? I thought the whole thing was he shouldn't be in the meetings. And now he's in the meetings at the end of the year.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
This is a dangerous game that we're playing. Amin also is somebody who... famously, can talk to you about his own dreams for hours, and no one's sure if he made those up. So he seems very squarely in his wheelhouse.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
And I believe— Didn't Andrew Hawkins invent, like, a virtual reality system? I just saw that on the internet the other day. I was like, wait a minute. Is that Andrew Hawkins?
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Nah, Amin's playing hurt. I'm going to go with Andrew. Hawks confidence is too high right now. Amin Elhassan is absolutely going to destroy Andrew Hawkins at this.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
If you asked me which guy is the former football player dealing with a lifetime of football injuries, I'd be like, it's the guy with the fat lip who is cognitively impaired, but also very sharp right now.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
I am going to argue that Amin Alhassan is currently the best version of himself as a debater I've ever heard. Amin, you can hear him, you can hear the Queens, you can hear the Stephen A in his voice as his cognitive impairment also is clearly upon him. I also would argue that Amin should probably try, you know, Hawk knows this, Toradol is a thing football players get before a big game.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Amin should actually hurt himself before debating. This is currently working for him.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
It's the opposite of Toradol. You have whatever that is.
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The Big Suey: First Fake
Can we do the debt ceiling? Can we do the debt ceiling as the topic?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
This is wildly entertaining. Where do we end here? Because this has been a roller coaster.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I can't believe how human this is, Mina. You're sitting here savaging yourself about how idiotic this is. And who doesn't understand, even though you're crushing it, a lack of confidence in yourself, even after all of these easy questions, because you really...
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yeah, well, I'm talking... What I'm talking about is the pressure of the moment making you make smaller bets when the biggest bets would have been on yourself. And it's just so interesting to not have the confidence in that moment because, see, I...
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I think I would be afraid to do all of this in front of people, vulnerably allowing them to examine whether or not you're quote unquote smart enough or fast enough by testing your intelligence on television. I don't think I'd want to do that. It doesn't seem like it would be, it seems like it would be pressurized even for charity.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So to get in that situation, be plagued by it, however nervous you were before it, if you were indeed nervous, get to the moment, be crushing it, and then not have confidence when you have a moment to slow down and think.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Pablo, but when you tell me this is the part that I'm finding, go ahead and tell me all the times that Mina has been caught on national television where her credibility might be on the line or her intelligence, and there's a lack of preparation.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That is choking though, right, Mina? So wait, let's, hold on. So let's examine this for a second. I don't want this to be with.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Yes, well, because I don't want this to be withering criticism, but it seems to me that this would be textbook definition choking. Yes, coach?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's just not being as good at it. The reason I say it is choking is because combination of panic and lack of strategy that in a moment makes you go, ah! Because all of a sudden, you're scared.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Coach, you lost.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Coach, why wasn't your team prepared? Coach, that's your job too.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Your team was unprepared. Hold on, hold on.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It's just crazy to me. I can't, like, Pablo knew. Look, I will tell- I don't know, Dan.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I'm sorry.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Why was Mina shaking her head at All In? What happened there? A kind of odious podcast?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
And I don't know whether she's mad at you or me or herself. I don't even know what those rankings would be.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
As far as celebrity goes on Jeopardy, the celebrities are not a high end of celebrities. Mina might be the most famous one here. How dare you? Hold on a second. Guardians of the Galaxy is a wonderful franchise. Great writing, great acting, not a lot of famous... people coming out of the Guardians of the Galaxy universe from behind the scenes, from small characters.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Pablo, Pablo, this is why your Family Feud moment is, I mean, it's a game show moment from the dreams to have reached through that time period on Family Feud and not panicked and gave those answers. Like, you had the opposite of... The most obvious answers in the world. Okay, but wait a minute.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But under time pressure, though, look, you can choke, and then you start remembering you're choking, you're thinking you're choking, and now you're nine seconds in, and you haven't answered shit.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Oh, no.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It's a little bit complicated. It's convoluted, but I will tell you that all of that explanation That was riveting television. The fact that after all of that happens... No, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. Look, this is magic. What happened here is magic. Is this reporter Dan or friend Dan? Who are we hearing from right now?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
This is entertained wildly by watching you... suffer, but say, yeah, I'm embarrassed, but my process was good. But also, I think you referred to that dude. I don't know what his name is. Do you know what his name is? David Friedberg. That dude had one of the... most stunning comebacks I've ever seen in sports because I did not see him coming at all in this.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I was never thinking about him, and only because you did what happened at the end there, he has the moment of a lifetime. That guy has the opposite of your story because he had no business winning that.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So now we're just, now let's say what this is. This is the bottom feeder at the last rung of cheap television where we go get people who call them celebrities and mean as a celebrity. But I don't know if those other two people are.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Those are the moments that make great game shows. And Katie's. How have the three of you ended up?
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
The three of you have had amazing game show experiences. Like, I imagine a lot of people go on game shows and just finish in second place. Or fourth place, or whatever. Or get to the Price is Right stage and never get on it.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Pablo, do you marvel at the fact that a head coach doesn't leave losing with, well, I got the process right. Like a head coach leaves the losing with, oh my God, like I'm just crushed.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Oh, my God. That's textbook definition for learning, but can we also just go back there for a second and just check out Mina's body language? I know. Because you ended up knowing on Nero and then... Scary money don't make money.
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PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, but can I examine this for just a moment? Because, Mina, I'm going to say that right before that, when you're saying, at least I didn't get the math wrong, and you're leaning on the console, whatever is pulsating inside of you right there is a combination of fear and bravado and relief.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Because if I could look at it again, just tell me, the pose of you trying to lean in before you black out and go scared money, don't make money,
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Scared. Just scared. Just scared. Actually adorable. Just scared. I would say, though, that you— Sweet, sweet Cuban Jonah Hill.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Mina not being scared of all that and only getting, you know, the result of learning and process is a reason to do it because I'm stunned that you're not even more mortified, just haven't recovered from it, don't want to be anywhere around it, don't want to do this with us.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You guys do realize that we could actually just for charity say, what's the most you'd pay to see one of us most embarrassed on national television? Like if we were selling that, Mina, and I told you before it started, it's going to be embarrassing to you, but you will raise how much money for it? What's the price got to be for that embarrassment?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
How would we talk you in from that one? If you missed a football question and said, but you raised this much for charity, Mina, and you'd be like, okay, that's okay.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
She wants a second chance. She wants a rematch.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I'll do better. Come on, Celebrity Jeopardy. She's a great champion and your biggest celebrity. And that dude, I don't know. I can't remember his name. The dude who had the miraculous comeback. Do you remember his name? Because I feel like Mina overlooked him, too. He snuck past her because she wasn't prepared.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I don't, Pablo, I don't believe there's any subject matter of any kind that I can put in front of Mina that she's more tired of than talking about Aaron Rodgers. There's nothing that she's just, she will not bite on it ever saying anything other than, I don't care, I'm tired of it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Okay, I have so much here. Where can I start? I'd like to know, first of all, how much soul-ravaging you do with unforgiveness when you're being competitive and you're losing. Like, how mean are you to yourself?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I'm assuming, Pablo, I'm assuming, I don't know, but based on your team of reporters and how you like to make fun of me, I'm assuming that I'm about to make an admission here that I've never made before, a secret that I've kept for 30 years, because you have in your video compartment my only game show appearance ever where I can admit now, only all of these years later—
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
that I do not have the benefit of actually the credibility that Mina does, where I actually believe her buzzer was not quick enough and she knew the answers to all those questions. The thing I'm about to admit- We all did.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, on Boardwalkin' Baseball with Chris Berman, when I got a single answer right and we got our ass kicked by Oklahoma, the answer was Ford and I only got it right and my brother made fun of me until his deathbed because there was 10 seconds of silence and I finally got to be faster than other people. It's also the only thing I knew.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
I was pretending that the buzzer wasn't working because I was consistently coming in late after people had an answer I did not have because I was so insecure about the fact that I wasn't getting anything right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's right. I'm sorry to admit it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Dan has a particular, like, tented hand. But it wasn't the buzzer. I was pretending. I was getting my ass kicked, and I was faking it. I was faking a hamstring injury.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
It changes so much. Just choking. Not even choking. Choking would be if I knew the answers. The questions were too hard. Mina goes on Celebrity Jeopardy. Everybody knows the answers. That's disappointing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Well, no, but you know what? I want to look at her face again after that because I did think she found it funny how easy that question was, but you seemed happier with the other questions and the answers that you were getting right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Good to play that game with great, great fear. Yes. Mina Kimes, that's right. Mina Kimes, who has done now 70 mock drafts and wants to get every one of the picks right because she's competitive. Who can... is afraid that the internet is going to mock her because a Jeopardy question she gets wrong about the Titans.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
That's scandalous. He can't be biased. That's unbelievable.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
You guys didn't tell me anything. I'm walking into a bit of a trap here. I have watched you guys with great joy bravely go on celebrity game shows and throw your celebrity into the air to have fun and test your wits against people famously. But Celebrity Jeopardy is a little easier than the other Jeopardys. Are we doing just narcissism on examining how did we do Let's Talk About Ourselves?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Because she was the only celebrity on that show who's not Ken Jennings.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
Let's cover the math of this, though, because can we look at it again? Did you instantaneously realize that you were a coward? Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So wait, so hold on, hold on. Let me go back a second.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So you're not scared of it in any way. No, you want the Daily Double. But why did you get scared when you got the Daily Double?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But what happened? I'm asking you, take me through the thinking process of, so you're leading and you're afraid that you're going to make a bet that does such bad math that you're so nervous.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
So you're lacking faith in yourself. The reason you become a coward is because despite the fact that you're crushing this, you know the answers, they're easy questions. At the moment of truth, you're saying, I will not bet this much money on the belief that I can do math correctly right now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
But why wouldn't you bet on yourself?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO - Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard
We love doing the game shows.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is very different.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We are redefining the spectrum of femininity, I dare say.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm going to briefly huff the Ziploc bag as you would with... Yeah. I got to be careful. I got an addictive personality, guys.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is your great aunt? A very older woman. The person who wears this fragrance has a padded toilet seat. And a small dog. I hate that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
No, it's the worst. It's like shitting into a pillow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Not here to yuck your yum.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I am getting the sense, though, why people are into galaxy gas, though, which I have discovered is a thing among kids, and possibly adults. I've heard. It's good. Allegedly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Remember when we visited, we can bleep this institution out.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Shell casings.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie and I went to a party because someone else brought us to this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mina. At f***.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And the floor was like a shooting range where they were just like... Hell yeah. Gatling gunning whippets.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If someone is wearing this, I am not into that person. All right, let's see what it is. Katie Nolan.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
How many are there? There are two different types of Britney Spears fragrances. Curious and Curious Love.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love that Katie wore a version of this perfume.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Curious Woman, and this is capital C, The Curious Woman is romantic, check, independent, check, mischievous, check.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's fruity in the back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Romantic, independent, and mischievous. Okay. One who's not afraid of risk.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Launched in 2004. Became an instant hit with the public. The composition is based on the notes of white flowers, surrounded with vanilla and musk nuances. It opens with fresh lotus, mouth-watering pear and magnolia, the intensive floral heart.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The intensive floral heart.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is composed of tuberose? Tuberose? Jasmine and pink cyclamen. Cyclamen?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, my God.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's what the wise men brought in Britney Spears.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The sensual base is composed of musk, vanilla, and precious woods. Sensual base? Precious woods. Yeah, that's a lot, Brit. It is the kind of scent that makes your parents want to control your finances. Oh, I was going to say get divorced. Katie, Lauren said $15.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie's hot now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Britney Spears, Curious, $16.74. Wow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This man knows what real America wants to smell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I know they want lotus flower for 16 bones. Precious wood.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is so bad.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This fragrance owns multiple board apes. Says diamond hands unironically.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, you hate to see this fragrance at a college reunion.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I want to say European, but that might be too derogatory.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I cannot wait to find out what this is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cristiano Ronaldo popping out of this paper bag could not have been more perfect.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Origins. Holy. Please describe what the packaging of this is like.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That is fragrance imitating f***ing life. This is a new fragrance. CR7 Origins was launched in 2022. Top notes are bay leaf, mandarin orange.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Middle notes are clary sage, lavender, and geranium. Base notes are patchouli and- Ass. Dog .
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number five.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is the bottom of your grinder if you smoked spices. Oh, it's... It's settling in. At a certain point, the spiciness begins to wear a suit. I'm kind of f***ing with it now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this back. There's a lot going on.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We've been on a run of three straight ass fragrances. This is growing on me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is the third episode in a trilogy that I want to catch Lawrence up on. Please do. Katie and I have tested athlete alcohol, and we declared, what sucked in your memory?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. This feels like a chance that you're taking. You're going out and you're like, I'm going to try to be this guy. And I'm kind of intrigued by what this guy's life is like.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is Cristiano Ronaldo's friend who, in comparison, is the guy you want to spend your night out with. This is Cristiano Ronaldo with his shirt buttoned up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But even the box, a classy box.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Notes. We're back to the vetiver. Bergamot or Bergamo?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which is like a yellow fruit. An orange, some are saying. A mandarin orange is another one. Star anise. Pimento.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Patchouli, cardamom, white amber.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The scene in the David Beckham doc, which I did not watch all of, but just have seen that scene.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, exactly.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Be honest.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Right after this ad.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Did you have the LeBron Henny?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So on that note, what do you think this runs? Yeah, this is expensive.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, I'm thinking $75. Guys.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The Lobos, right?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is $19.20. Come on. Go buy it. The best $19 you've ever spent.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We were eventually very drunk.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number six. Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
All right, this needs to breathe. It's wet. This is very wet.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It was basically as much athlete alcohol as we could get.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
My reaction to smelling this is like a meerkat popping out of a burrow, and I'm deciding whether to pop back down, and I think I'm back in the burrow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
CJ McCollum's wine was pretty good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This smells like the fall.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If it's for a man, I'll be surprised.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a big package.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a miss.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Incomplete. Base notes. Sandalwood. Musk. Vanilla. Honey. Tonka bean.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What's that? Tonka trucks also make beans. Much like Stetson also wears... Tonka Bell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's right. What do you think it costs? $12.99. $55. $30.47. This is the most expensive cologne so far.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Correct. We've done a lot of patriarchal scouting of these fragrances.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Fruity in the back.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. I like this. I like this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Relatedly, Katie Nolan hasn't dumped any of the wine that she's been tasting.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is a winner.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But also feminine enough to satisfy, again, my most... aspirational alpha desires.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Look at me! No!
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is like the drink you order at dinner and your friends are like beginning to make fun of you and then you're like, try it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
And you're like, just take a sip. Bet you regret making fun of me now. Soft. Let's see what number seven is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yep, yep, yep, yep. That was part one.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That tracks from the block. Katie and I have made fun of J-Lo in the past. I apologize.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is what a celebrity smells like. Yeah. It's called Still. That's good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Part two was athlete weed.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$17.99.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This next fragrance needs to earn it. They can't coast on it. So many have. They cannot coast on the legacy of Jennifer Lopez. Huh. Huh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is nice.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like a luxury hotel lobby.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I like this. There is restraint. I credit this for its restraint.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Read it more closely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So it is to Lawrence's taste and appreciation for the finer things in life. This is impossible to find now. It's all sold out. Can't get it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Will Levis, number eight. Parfum de mayonnaise. Open to the bright burst of tart lemon that provides a refreshing and clean introduction. At the heart of the fragrance lies a creamy, daring mayonnaise accord.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Creamy, daring mayonnaise accord. Like it's fucking Yalta. The Geneva ones. Yep. offering a smooth and complex heart. We're describing Lawrence so far, by the way. I am creamy delightful. And a complex heart.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Parsley adds a fresh herbal element reminiscent of a well-prepared dish. And of course, this fragrance would not be complete without subtle coffee undertones reminiscent of Will's signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Sorry?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
He has a signature mayonnaise-infused caffeine beverage. What? This is a thing, right? He puts mayonnaise in his coffee.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A sensual musk base weaves through the composition, evoking physicality and charisma. Finally, we finish off with a comforting creamy vanilla finish that is equal parts inviting and intriguing.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I hesitate to say that Katie comes out looking great from this particular test. But it shouldn't be that good for what it is.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. I mean, it is creamy and airy.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number nine.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's almost evasive to me. In a world in which people are screaming, I'm not even sure what gender this is, honestly.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A riddle.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is it possible to be drunk off of smelling fragrances? Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Dare I say that it almost feels like it's like an algorithmic.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a centrist. Admittedly, I'm a little gun-shy also because I was just praising the mayo fragrance.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We can only find a sample of this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Gary Payton.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Autographed baseball. It's a sample of Derek Jeter. Driven.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I love, I grew up adoring this man. Because he got ass.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Smoking that glove pack, dude. Mm-hmm. And Dan cannot smell.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You might do a hate crime. Still a Hall of Famer, to be clear. Unambiguous.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thank you for clarifying.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, Jeets.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Number 10.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is David LaChapelle. Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
If you are wearing this and you are not a 14-year-old, you should be arrested.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Physically cannot smell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Chris Hansen should walk in the door now that we've broken this out of the Ziploc.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mean girl. This fragrance is the reason why Katie got Invisalign.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just nailed it.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Thunderstruck Taylor's version.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just zero effort. It's a travel size. Yeah. It's a travel size. Travel size. You know, you want to smell like Taylor Swift. You can travel with someone.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Do you think that Taylor Swift smells like this? Hell no. Wonderstruck is the first fragrance from the young American pop country singer Taylor Swift launched in cooperation with the cosmetic company Elizabeth Arden. Wonderstruck is named after the lyrics from the song Enchanted. Quote, I'm Wonderstruck, comma, blushing all the way home.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Which tell about the feeling and the impression you get when you first meet someone you like. Taylor hopes that her fragrance will be an essential part of many impressions in first meetings. What do you think Wonderstruck and Taylor Swift costs?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$59.99. What the f***?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Useless. And so I was like, who in the world can fill... This third share. And I said, okay, who hosts a show that I love?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
F***.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The last fragrance.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is number 11. Jesus Christ.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Wow. This is potent. This is the most potent. I feel like this is... Strong as hell.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I have not smelled this since Origin.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Man, I'm afraid of this.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
A VFW hall. This one has seen some things and done some things.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, it really does come on strong.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I feel that. I feel that actually.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Check. Who was able to convince me using the word master perfumer?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is... Alluring. This is the work of an old man. Is it snake oil? Is it penicillin? Who cares?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Our last fragrance is. Drum roll.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We got got. We're going to cut that.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
We got got. Snake oil salesman. No! I think we nailed that. This is Fight, Fight, Fight. Donald Trump.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is that new... This is that new new. It is an all-black, heavy-ass bottle. Fight, Fight, Fight is a bold fragrance from Trump Fragrances, designed for men who embody strength and resilience. This limited-edition cologne is crafted to leave a lasting impression with its rich and robust notes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That he has some knowledge of cologne. Perfumier? I don't even know something like that. You did say that in the kitchen.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The fragrances commemorate President Trump's moment of personal courage and the strong message he sent to Americans after being shot at in Butler, Pennsylvania. Instead of the potential horrific moment of Trump's assassination, every camera on the mainstream media captured the most iconic photograph and video of his political career.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Let's f***ing go. We paid. I don't actually. The most embarrassing thing might be that we spent $216.67. You gave Trump your hard money? The retail is $199 a bottle. We gave, I presume, to be the alleged shell company. Sure, sure, sure.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Mathematically speaking, Taylor Swift's cologne, fragrance, perfume, would cost, at this rate, $400. Jesus f***ing Christ. Shout out to T-Swiss. I hope that the rest of the year works out in a way in which we're all like, you know what, that wasn't as bad as I thought.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I don't know. He was referencing a guy. What was the guy's name?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, belated. Happy belated January 6th. At the end of every episode of How La Torre Finds Out, a show where we find stuff out, We say what we found out today.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
His name is Rodrigo. I don't know his last name.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
He met a perfumier named Rodrigo. And I was like, that's plenty.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, you get both. Yeah. You get both. Cool. You get both. What was your favorite?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So I think if I may collectively summarize our thoughts.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The big winner, I think, is David Beckham. At the price point, too. At that price point. That's crazy. 1925, the best deal, the best man, dare I say. On the medal stand, though, we concur that J-Lo is there. Yeah. If we're being honest with ourselves—
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's the nose nose right there.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The scientists behind the glass are telling me that it was pretty clear that we all agreed that the Trump one was pretty good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I believe you also said, quote in a text, I know what I like and have gotten a lot of expensive shit for free. Yes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
What I found out today is that I should never trust the producers of this show ever again.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
The nose knows.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Katie, what do you know about cologne?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Cologne for girls.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Just farting with impunity.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So we have in this corner of the room, 11 different athletes slash celebrity colognes slash perfumes. They've created a whole system. We're going to blind smell this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Can we not call it... Fragrances is what I'm being told in my ear by Rob, who collected all of this stuff. Not to denigrate the genre.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You will see. We have testers pre-sprayed. Great. Each individually bagged. And we have reveals in which we will find out what it was.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Some notes, literal and figurative. Sometimes the notes of plastic will get into the... Yeah, I wonder if this is how, like, this is not an official method.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Okay, I'm being told to defend the method. There's a whole method. Sorry, boys. Long before the athlete weed strain and celebrity tequila brands, famous people were selling vanity fragrances. And so I figured with about a month before Valentine's Day that we might do everybody out there a service.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So if you're listening to this instead of watching it on YouTube, what you should know about our method here is that Katie Nolan, Lauren Schlossman, and I are going into this whole exercise completely blind.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That means we're going to start by taking these pre-sprayed paper strips of the vanity fragrance in question out of a Ziploc bag, at which point we will give our unbiased review of it using only our sense of smell. And we're not going to find out which celebrity it even is until the end of that segment when we open a sealed paper bag to reveal the bottle our producers bought for us inside.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But if you are, in fact, watching this on YouTube or the DraftKings Network, Our producers are also going to try something a little bit different for you because they are going to show you the celebrity behind each fragrance early and completely silently just on screen while we're doing our smell test. So you can know and see how powerful or not our noses are before we do.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is apparently the experience our producers had while watching us tape this episode. And this episode, by the way, will keep escalating as we get deeper and deeper into this list of 11 mystery fragrances about which we know absolutely nothing. And that is for better and also, spoiler alert, for worse. We begin with fragrance number one.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Meaning it perks you up almost? No, just fresh, bright.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It smells like a bunch of dads rolling around in a field.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It smells like suppressed emotional accessibility.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Does it smell expensive to you?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Nice. It's nice. I came in expecting, like, I'm going to all over this, and then I'm like, ah, this feels kind of like the man that I once imagined I would be one day. Is it time to reveal?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Lock them up.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, put them in the bag so that we can isolate the scents.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Oh, let's get some ASMR there, Pablo.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is, and I don't know the answer to this either until right now, Michael Jordan's cologne. Did not do me.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I mean.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's right.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Hold on.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I have to examine. Look at this packaging here. Look at this. Yeah, exactly. Hold that. Describe it for the audience, please.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It has a flask aspect.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Rumors of insane gambling debt. Michael Jordan by Michael Jordan is an aromatic fragrance for men. So we nailed that. The nose behind this fragrance is Steve de Mercado. That I believe is a term of art for the- The nose. Perfumier. For the perfumier. Top notes are cypress, grapefruit, lemon, cognac, geranium, cedar needles, Brazilian rosewood.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Middle notes, fir, juniper berries.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
No, I literally, my mind went, I was like, all right. Like a bear. Pelt. Incense, green tea, clary, sage, and cloves. Base notes are sandalwood, musk, and patchouli.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
But I will describe that for you now.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Because a top note, according to the increasingly terrible AI overview on Google.com.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm so lazy. I love that AI overview. It's so much worse, Lawrence.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's so much worse.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Top notes. The first sense you smell when you apply a fragrance, also known as head notes or opening notes. They're the most volatile of the three fragrance notes and are made up of small, light molecules that evaporate quickly. Top notes, usually composed of citrus and fruity ingredients, but can also include fresh herbs. Some light top.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It's $21.36. Wow, what a deal.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Does the silhouette of his bald head, unmistakably his bald head, embossed in also like some red foil, does that do anything for you? That's cheap. That's like you buy this at a grocery store.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
This is a Kroger's cologne.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That's not true. Lawrence is underselling his credentials.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Now, I'm told that between these scents, we should be... Smelling coffee? palate cleansing by sniffing some coffee or your elbow.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
I'm being told to remind you guys that we have no idea if this actually works. They also advise you to smell yourself.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
They say smell your own elbow. Number two.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Is this sprayed one second ago? These are sprayed two hours ago, for the record. It's very sweet. By our lab full of scientists. Aquatic.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Are you familiar with men or lifestyle?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah, this is like a magazine where the pages are stuck together for different reasons.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
You said sweet.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
There aren't a lot of base notes to this, is what I would say. This is like the antithesis of patchouli. This is not a barbershop.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Like, sophomore semi-formal. Like, this is the scent that sticks in my mind years later when I'm trying to remember in my personal memory bank. Sense memory. That's right.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Yeah. Yeah.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
So let's find out. All right, this should be interesting. We're judging a cologne by its cover. Whoa. Ooh. Ooh.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
For boys? There are no words on this. Can you describe this, Katie?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
That is green.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
It looks delicious. This is for boys. A product known as Avon Untouchable by Chris Paul. Wow. I do regret my previous description. How much do you think this costs?
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
$12.
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PTFO Smell Test: Celebrity & Athlete Fragrances, (Blindly) Reviewed
Lawrence's podcast, Growing Fits, is one of my favorite non-sports podcasts.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
I wanted to talk about this Elon story. The video game story?
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
So there are many ways to talk about Elon right now, and many of them are valid, and all of them have to do largely with him now running the federal government and cutting budget to, like, people who need medicine for AIDS.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
I believe that that is a valid method of talking about Elon Musk. But a more, I think, directly informative and illuminating one has to do with the story about video games.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
Yeah, yeah.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
That's right.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
Yeah, he claimed to be one of the top 20 Diablo players in the world. The forest mage. And he had just become, as of November 2024, the number one player in the world according to these leaderboards with millions of people on them. He then proceeded to brag about how he then became a top-ranked player in a different game, a game known as PoE.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
which stands for Path of Exile, Path of Exile 2 in this case. And this got the attention of some hardcore PoE players who were like, what's going on here? How is the world's richest man who is also running the federal government and is involved in electric cars and rockets and space and hyper-fast internet connectivity.
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Share & Scrotox & Tell with Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne Nolan and Pablo Torre
How does he have the time that is actually required to get highly ranked in these games? So what happens is Elon goes live. He streams himself playing POE 2. And these people, these streamers who are actual like hardcore experts and players are watching.
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And they see that. And they're like, something isn't adding up. Elon does not seem to know what he's doing.
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Do we think a person, there's a person who invented the mirror? As opposed to? A discovery?
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The best part is that he's bragging about all of this. He's bragging about how he had this post on X in which he said, quote, so many life lessons to be learned from speed running video games on max difficulty teaches you to see the matrix rather than simply exist in the matrix. End quote. Yo, I think this guy sucks.
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So all of these people begin picking up on Reddit. They start compiling this dossier, and they're like, okay, he doesn't know how to use a mana flask, which is very embarrassing, obviously.
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He's picking items up by dragging them into his inventory manually. He is struggling to understand why he cannot pick up an item when his inventory is full. And he has, maybe indictingly, on his account, he has a tab for his maps called Elon's Map. which is a weird thing to call it when you have all of the maps. Why wouldn't it just be maps?
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And so what it turns out to be is, of course, a giant series of lies in which he has hired people to play the game for him. And he just lied about all of it.
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Of a thing that had already existed.
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Great question, Michael. So what happens is, Zach Hoyt, a popular gaming streamer known as Asmongold, he said that this is, I mean, part of the crime here is that if you're really into video games, this is horrifically... The whole point is that you're actually, like, there spending time in the trenches playing these games. He's the one who said that Musk was insecure and lying about this.
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It's a truly sad day for gamers. And Elon Musk said in a since-deleted post that, quote, he had been on hundreds of streams playing live with the world's best players, and that it was Zach Hoyt, in fact, who was not good at video games. He's good at... My critic is bad.
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And then he took Zach Hoyt's blue check away, naturally.
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But then, finally, as people began to assemble yet more and more evidence, evidence that he, in fact, was doing something that's very common, which is paying other people to level up your character. Elon has to do an interview. And in that interview with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, He confesses, finally. But as a video game enthusiast, Katie, let's talk about the sin involved here.
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Right after this ad.
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So this is why I love this story is because it is deeply symptomatic of a larger character. And the character is the guy to Katie's point. Who's like, Deeply, deeply unworried that all of the morons out there are ever gonna catch on.
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He does not respect you. Like, look at his accounts. Like, the way he handles any conversation about anything... is reflective of somebody who just doesn't respect the people reading.
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Justus von Liebig.
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So eventually what happens, because Elon Musk tries to deny and counter insult and spin, and then he ends up getting in a conversation with a gaming streamer known as NicoRex, and NicoRex asks him, point blank, quote, have you ever level boosted, parentheses, had someone else play your accounts, in parentheses, and or purchased gear slash resources for PoE 2 and Diablo 4?
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And Musk says, 100 emoji, 100. It's impossible to beat players in Asia if you don't.
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Is credited with inventing the silvered glass mirror. In what year do you think this was? 1800. Eustace? Teen. German chemist.
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He says all top characters require multiple people playing the account to win a leveling race. He is continuing to now... By the way, he also says, he's asked, would you apologize to the PoE2 community? And he says, what would I be apologizing for? And I'm just like...
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Isn't that what we find out?
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You suck. You're the worst guy on the team. He is telling us now officially that he is lying and cheating about wildly small stakes stuff. Right. That isn't actually important to his fortunes, literally speaking. And so the question I have whenever it comes to like, so what do you think of this guy is like, just know he's that guy.
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What else is that guy doing when it comes to stuff that actually does have consequences?
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This is the AI overview.
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What is not in dispute is that it becomes puffier.
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So God only knows. McGill University has backed this up separately.
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Yeah, this is a hinge category, I believe. Just like labia.
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And there's like a score. Right. This is the headline from the New York Post. Labia puffing is the latest NSFW cosmetic trend. Quote, I'm getting turned on just looking at myself.
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End quote. So that was said by a patient, according to this person, whose last name is Milhouse, which I appreciate. Milhouse... Is, hold on, it's good.
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Behold. Where were you 10 years ago?
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Scrotox is a cosmetic procedure that involves injecting Botox into the scrotum. For what?
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Well, according to this Healthline.com story, which I believe is a real publication, but may not be, frankly, scrotox was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue.
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I've had some TMJ.
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It was first used as a way to relieve scrotum pain if surgery didn't resolve the issue. Sure. Since 2016, thereabouts, more and more people are trying it out to purportedly make their sacks bigger and their sacks better. I'm getting the science. I'm not sure Healthline's the authority that I thought it was going to be. Sacks bigger and sacks better? What doctor?
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Journalistically speaking, not sure their sacks bigger.
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I'm not reading an abstract. This is David Schlong. This is not helping my journalistic credit.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, I'm posting a lot of. Yeah, you should make your sacks bigger.
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Can you explain Matt Reif's.
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Very good. Very good.
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The price is wrong. 1835. That's what I said.
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But this doctor had claimed something. Yes. That he had created for a quote unquote canceled celebrity. The greatest jawline ever seen. And this is a thing. The greatest jawline is an aspiration. Michael, how would you describe what the aesthetic is? I guess it would be like, look at me.
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Right. $12,000 for a hyper-masculine jawline. A real bargain.
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To get hyper-masculine drawings.
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But you wouldn't have needed any of that. Are you doing a Don Draper sales pitch for mirrors right now?
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So this is where I believe there's a through line that connects us through our topics today. I love those. I love those. Because the hyper-masculine jawline I would use to point to In the barbershop of jawlines is Tom Brady. Oh. Yeah. I'm sorry. I voted you. Thank you so much. I voted me too.
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But we saw him.
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Which moves fat from one part of the face to the other. 41% of his clients these days, his patients, are male.
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Pressure for everybody. Everybody's problem. Yeah, I'm going to break my legs and have rods inserted into them to become taller.
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Let me give you some fine print on Eustace von Liebig in 1835. Okay. A discovery by the great German chemist Eustace von Liebig in 1835 made mirrors widely available. Liebig found a way to coat glass with a thin layer of metallic silver... by depositing the metal directly by means of a chemical reaction. So when it comes to the question, according to McGill University's page, how are mirrors made?
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Can I read you this headline from New York Magazine, June 3rd, 2016? Yes. Chad Ochocinco says he's packing a three-inch penis.
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That's from 2016, you said?
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What verb would you prefer he use?
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He is unburdened by his three-inch penis.
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What did we find out today on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out about apparently three-inch penises?
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You sound like Bill Belichick trying to summarize. Trying to explain like... RPG video games.
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I think that's true. I co-sign that. I found out that... Oh, oh. Say it. Yeah, good. This is good. When I look at my scrotum later today... Which everyone does at 7 p.m. I know who to thank for the mirror I'm standing in front of.
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This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production. And I'll talk to you next time.
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The answer is Eustace von Liebig, 1835, discovered that sh**.
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What was the Super Bowl like for you guys? Did you guys?
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Why did you go?
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I think this is coming out of an episode that we did committing to going to parties.
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Undoubtedly.
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We get shade of your glasses?
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Right.
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So I have been to a Super Bowl. I went to the Atlanta Super Bowl. It was the Patriots-Rams. It sucked.
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It was like 10 to 13 or whatever it was.
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Yeah, I remember sitting there, falling asleep during the game.
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And saying aloud at one point, I missed the commercials.
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I assume that Michael Cruz-Cain's Super Bowl party is mostly him singing snippets from Maroon 5.
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I texted you guys for, I think, what is obvious to anybody who has seen us previously on this program, cover a truly insanely developing story.
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Jordan.
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I believe that we need proof that she isn't. Based on the rapid ascent.
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So this is just Cameo City, right?
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That's with the Super Bowl. How would you summarize the Dunkin' commercial, the franchise that this now is, I guess, for people who are not seeing this?
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Orange jumpsuit. Apparel, jumpsuit.
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24.
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The fact that she's here. I mean, I just want to point this out, right? Like her being in the Super Bowl commercial with Bill Belichick in this premise where it's like, we're the Boston Avengers and she's just there.
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It made me very curious.
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She's from the New England area. Again, a former competitive cheerleader. We're like 10 minutes away from her being a quarterback's coach at UNC.
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Is it too hot?
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Bridgewater State University in Massachusetts. She's like a baller cheerleader. She's real good. She won a natty.
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Which is to say, look, Jordan has accomplished plenty in her own life. Sure. But in this context, and like, why, how did she make it into the commercial?
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It set me off on a bit of a mini reporting trail. Okay, what'd you get? Okay, here we go. What I've been told is that Jordan essentially has been functioning as Bill Belichick's... Momager? No. That is so much better than what I was going to say. But she has represented herself essentially as his de facto agent.
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What's your glasses cleaning move? Oh, just rubbing it against straight dry. Is this not right? Just real dry.
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The person who you need to go through to book Bill Belichick for a Super Bowl commercial or for the other commitments he has as a multi-platform personality. She's the gateway. And so in this case, what I have been told reliably is that Jordan happened to then use that power to be in the commercial as well. So again, more power to her, I guess, but she's a momager.
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Jordan is, Katie, I think you had it right. She's Bill's momager.
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I fog it up.
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AD for Brady has been outclassed by 24 for, I can't make this rhyme, but for Bill Belichick.
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The human body has its own Amazon device.
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She wasn't chaperoning that story.
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But I think the point should not be lost that Bill Belichick is doing literally the opposite of what he used to do.
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You fog it up.
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I'm not in my spot. Using the temperature of the human body and then you wipe it down. It has its own Amazon device.
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In the commercial.
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I feel like he has his faculties.
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He has his wits about him.
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Do we agree as a show, as previously established, that we should be able to sit in chairs that are turned the other way, like on The Voice, and listen to... I think about this all the time now.
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Just talk. Just talk. Just talk, and then we can press a button and flip around to approve or not.
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Is it always the same driver in Uber, or is it different guys?
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The three of us are here ready to rock. An awards show. I do like that the NFL was like, we need an Academy Awards.
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I love it. I love... So silly. I have, of course, a tortured relationship with winning awards in general. We need and desperately crave external validation.
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Your hair has been looking good.
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I'm not acting, but thank you. I don't think he's acting. It's just a character. He's just a real life character. Right after this ad.
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Shingun has never reached out to me. All I do is sing the guy's praises. I was early on that. No, but Shingun is learning from Joker. He's baby Joker. Okay. He is. Okay. Baby Joker. Okay, that's fine. I got you, buddy. I haven't gotten a follow. I'm just like the pro bono publicist for Shingun. This dude is out here. He should make the All-Star team.
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I'm never going to leave Matt Jones basically because Sam Darnold... I'm telling this the Sam Darnoldification of sports. You want a $5 word? Darnoldification. Sam Darnold's success... has made it possible for me to never sell any bad take. Anywhere.
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Like, Sam Darnold was... given up on by the Jets, the Panthers. And then when he got to the 49ers, what was it, Shanahan? He reminds me, like, why can't Sam Darnold be good? Steve Young got good at 30. And we're like, whoa, that's a compliment. That kind of hit my radar. Like, time to get into the Sam Darnold take business. And Sam Darnold is amazing.
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So is Mac Jones right now as good as Carolina Sam Darnold? Probably not. But point taken. That's it. It's the ceiling of guys that I'm never giving up on anybody until they retire. And like, I don't know, maybe USFL, he can come back.
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Certainly quarterbacks who are so situationally coach, wide receiver, offensive line dependent. Sure.
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I'm not giving up on Ben Simmons. He gets his back healthy. Ben Simmons unfollowed me on Twitter. Ben Simmons is my answer.
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I think I have to.
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Although I think my analogy is still good. Is Ben Simmons number one fan and supporter of available real estate. Yes. You want it? I mean, if it's available. Do it. I will support Ben Simmons.
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I don't think I need to atone for anything.
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How do I remain so confident? I'm always reminding myself, bang, no one's beating Denver in a seven-game series. I'm going to say it a hundred times. I'm always reminding myself.
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a non-sports take that I've just been wrong about. I'm like, you know what? This is good.
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Yeah, go ahead. I'll brainstorm.
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Was that a take or just like an evolution of your life?
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Rankings are number one, dude. Yeah. Ranked rankings. Rankings are number one. As far as ways to organize things, number one rankings.
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Yeah, that's just called aging. Yeah, I think that's just maturity.
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Words that work for sports debate. Maybe like magic words. My favorite is deserve. Deserve is one of my favorite words. Does Lamar deserve to be a 10-point favorite? Does Russell Wilson deserve to be a 10-point underdog? Do the Chiefs deserve the bye? Like, what? They're 15-1. Yeah, but do they deserve it? It's just so good.
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This thing that has... So do you know the other ones that we use on the show? Reaction. No.
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He's so bad at this game.
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The correct answer was disrespected.
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Is Sean Payton being disrespected?
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Yeah, I don't know if that one... Yeah. Are the Bengals the scariest? The scariest. Scary is good, too. Because it's very like... You get immediate reality. I'm not going to be scared of that.
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Yes. Deserve, disrespect, fear. Unfair, we use a lot. Unfair, that blank. Unfair, is this unfair? But it's all based on disrespect. Justice, a cosmic sense of justice.
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Yeah, some combination of the two.
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But an emotional response with a statistical foundation is nice.
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Yeah, with philosophical kind of a clash.
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In the debate team, that's something from like the... I'm not totally... I've seen a few debates, but I'm not totally familiar with the format. But...
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Taking the fun out of it.
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Do you have an answer for this? I have a draft pick. Okay, I want to hear yours, if that's okay. Yeah.
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I mean, as far as a number one pick, can Mike Trout get into every restaurant? Because if you can't, if Mike Trout and his wife are going to like, they said it's going to be 15 minutes, maybe 45. She'd be like, honey, you're Mike Trout. I know, but I played with the Angels.
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I don't know if that plays. I think I have a better answer. Let me hear yours. What do you got? Sully. Sully Sullenberger? Yeah, hero. Hero with a mustache. I think hero, like, hero for being cool. Not just saving lives. You didn't just, you know... You're not a scientist that, wow, this invention that you made saved a lot of lives, which is very good, don't get me wrong.
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No, I saved lives in a dramatic way In the city. Now, with the Tom Hanks movie, I guess he had to go to... People were mad at Sully for some reason. Yeah, but... I didn't like that part at all. Did they cancel Sully at the end of Sully?
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I would have gone to the congressional meeting. Like, hey, man, it's Sully.
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I think Sully... is just great. Everybody loves him. Maybe he's got some waning fame, but he's just... Right, but so you are... Hero is nice.
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No, that's probably a detriment. I don't think famous people like that at all. So I think... Some people don't.
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No, but if the guy was like, hey, why? I was going to say, yeah. He's like, you're amazing for landing a plane and saving all those lives.
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Thank you.
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It would bum you out to be anonymous?
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I buy it like Kansas City radio.
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Yeah, you're like a child star, basically.
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I guess so. You like the chameleon-ness of it.
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He did do an airplane movie. He also believed he could stop 9-11. I have another one.
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Again, it's super, it's even more anonymous. I wrote Winston Wolf famous. Oh, as in the fictional character. The fictional character, Winston Wolfe, where for some reason he's in a tuxedo. So he must be rolling in these interesting circles. And when, who does it? Ving Rhames. Ving Rhames. Rhames, excuse me.
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I didn't know. I don't know how you pronounce Ving Rhames name, but now I do.
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I may have just misremembered it. In any event.
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And then Samuel L. Jackson, like, they're very excited to see him. It seems like he's got a nice car. He has connections at the dumpster.
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He's there to help you get out of a bind. But not necessarily, like, I don't want that to be my job, necessarily. No, but what you mean is... Within an industry, I'm considered... Yeah, drug kingpin famous. That's an interesting type of famous. I do not. I think it's quite dangerous.
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And in that element, that's also like kind of like a sully thing. Except Sully did his thing.
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Without having assassination as a concern.
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I don't think he's acting. It's just a character. He's just a real life character. What did I learn?
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No, I knew that.
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Unto my feelings, maybe his own voice.
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I'm trying to find a nicer one because the one that's actually there, I feel like it's not... Take it. Kind. Take it. I think you guys are nuts for not wanting to be anonymous. Like, I feel like you're like headed towards... You're going to be in the old folks home? You're like, hello. I'm like, it's just... I don't know.
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Just... I guess. Call me crazy. I don't know. The external validation is a little concerning for me. I didn't have you guys pegged for that.
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No, I didn't. For external validation, I didn't know. No, because you're kind of like, I don't know. I thought the art of the take was good enough. Can I ask you a question? If you were on a deserted island, but this set up, Just you. Do you think you would give takes? Of course. That's what I'm saying. But it would just be a mic plugged into nowhere. You'd be like, all right.
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That's not a public-facing thing.
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My time's running out. As soon as you get old, the older you get, the less interested you are in lines. Like, if you're 88, like, man, I got limited time here.
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Can we end the podcast with a funny story? Proceed. Belmont Stakes. We're there. Fox has it. So we're there. I've got my kids with me. Did you all you brought? I brought my daughter and her best daughter's friend. And there's some executives there. And it's just a great time. And then Nick is there's I felt like maybe I'm just telling myself this.
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But you had some like gambling crossover that maybe people recognize you from poker because they're Yeah. A little bit of poker. Nick's a globally competitive poker player.
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Guy comes over to like the little, you're in like little squares. And the guy comes over and says, oh, Nick, love the show. And I'm like, I'm on the show. You know, I'm on the show. It's hard to like consume the show and not stumble across me, you know? It's like, I love the steakhouse. I'm the salt shaker. I'm there.
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I'm not saying I'm the star of the show, but I am there, and you usually have to spot me. And then Nick very kindly senses this kind of tension because the guy's talking about the show. And, you know, Wilds, he goes, I don't know. Wilds right here. And the guy looks at me and goes, I think he said, do you want a picture with him? And the guy goes, yeah. Just kept talking to me.
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It was just like. I'm like buddy it's not even on film it's not even a college it's just a free it's not like when I was growing up like we only had 12 pieces of Kodak and we don't want to waste one there you go that's my level of fame Kevin Wilds Nick Wright I mean this when I say this two of the greatest guests that's not true in the history of how the story finds out why is it a trick?
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because remember you said it's like a messy entanglement thanks Pablo bye Pablo
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I think it's 60-40 diss.
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Having like a... We're 30 seconds away to debating the salary cap.
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You guys at one point were both, like, young. I've known Pablo for so long. I'm like, remember when Pablo was like the young guy at ESPN? I'm like, yeah, Pablo's young and you were young. Yeah. And now you're 40. Right, but so. I am 39. I mean, that's basically, that's 40. That's even worse than 40, honestly. I don't, I don't know.
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And then I tried to set up like a beef. It didn't really take off. Yeah, I was... You said some bombs over, you said some swear words. I was like, yeah.
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I went too hot. I was like, why'd you launch the rivalry beef?
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I think Pablo started a beef, but we're not even going to respond.
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You know, thanks for having us.
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Well, I've seen, you know, I'm a big fan.
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If the take cuts through and it makes sense, It's a great take. It doesn't necessarily have to be right or wrong. What was your request since you have the text pulled up?
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That was my shining moment.
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Oh, no, it's already open.
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I do. This is crazy. Like, I can't talk.
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Look, Poop Sandwich may not have been the Lakers' top choice, but he was certainly number two. And this hiring stinks. He runs a constipated offense. His teams have played crappy defense. They just loaf around. And frankly, this hire just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. By the way, I've seen every episode of Blue Bloods. Every one. Is that right? What? Okay, we'll get to you in a second.
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Every one. Go ahead and give us a minute review of everything you know about Blue Bloods as fast as you can, please. Well, I know everything. I was very disappointed when his wife died, when Linda died. I think that was very, very tough. But here's the main thing. I think if anybody on that show could actually in real life play their role, it would be Donnie.
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I could show you.
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I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Warren G. did tell us that he is not familiar with deductive logic, his book, Raising... libidos in this way, but he did tell us. Is this one of our 11?
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He's not one of the 11 for the record.
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Oh, I see.
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He said, Philosopher's
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The illogic of this whole thing, though, right? Why is she so protective of this question? Why is she doing this? There is, I think, in our reporting, as Katie deduced, the whole, like, let's not draw attention to the fact that I was 19, he was almost 69.
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Legal though it may be. But there's another theory, according to people who have dealt with her directly on... matters of business, which is that she seems to be of a belief as she carves up Bill Belichick's brand, his life into different buckets of monetization. And by the way, she is the person who inspired in a real way the book that is at the heart of that CBS non-promo.
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She had read, I'm told, Ray Dalio's book Principles. Like as an idea mill, as she's credited in the acknowledgments, she does come up with ideas like that book. But what the source says has deduced is that she may be saving exclusively any and all talk about their origin story, their relationship for a potential reality show.
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We have a timeline of exclusive information that is new, breaking. No one else has broken it yet. I've been sitting on it for a long time.
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Oh, no.
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she is somebody who believes that an exclusive means exclusive. Like, you can't talk about this anywhere else. This story is for a future theoretical project. That is the theory from people who have had to deal with her. And the dealing with her, right? When did this happen? When did she get control over Bill Belichick's new media empire? So, you may recall the time that Bill Belichick got a...
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Defenestrated from Katie Nolan's New England Patriots.
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Right? You guys were here the last time when we broke this story that, in fact, Jordan Hudson, Bill Belichick's girlfriend, age 24, had insinuated herself into a Super Bowl commercial with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. This was a very conspicuous thing to us, and now maybe to everybody who is watching this again. Exactly.
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A fenestra of time, if you will. A fenestra of time that he didn't have football to fill. He had, I'm going to count them down, a podcast for Underdog Fantasy called Coach. He had Inside the NFL for the CW. He had appearances with Peyton Manning and various kinds. He had appearances on the Pat McAfee show.
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And all of this was kind of conspicuous given that, again, no one hated media more than that guy. And also, as you told multiple people, he never listened to a podcast before. Who among us? Not surprising.
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So he shows up at NFL Film Studios in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. All of these things I've mentioned are filmed there, at the one place that he trusts as a media entity. It's the company that he grew up adoring and trusting, NFL Films, right? Like his dad is a coach. He is a football nerd. He has friends who've worked there for a very long time.
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The Hard Knocks thing, which is, for those not familiar, the reality show where... You get cameras all over a football building, typically an NFL team. It was going to be for the first time a college team. It was going to be Chapel Hill, North Carolina. It was going to be this program. And it was going to be produced by NFL Films.
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So this is, again, the organization where all of these shows had been taped. This was Belichick's sort of like comfort zone. And so when you get the news that Jordan Hudson, and this is something that I've confirmed myself, was instrumental in that deal blowing up because she was trying to assert control over the negotiations.
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This is now how we arrive at a point at which Bill Belichick's insulation from these media things has absolutely just become a thing he has to deal with.
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And at the beginning of this, as of the summer of 2024, Jordan Hudson was not in charge of everything. But there was one famous story that was witnessed by, I am told, dozens of people, including freelance contractors who were hired to work on the set for a seven-figure scripted commercial. And yes, we're talking about another expensive commercial shoot here. This is Belichick.
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My body rejects that. What I am told by multiple people among the dozens who witnessed the shooting of this is that what happened that day on set was, quote, highly unusual.
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Jordan Hudson, who was at the time like a person they kind of heard about, but again, this is last summer, not quite the entity that we know now, nothing close, had arrived on set and started immediately pitching herself for a role that had not been discussed in this scripted seven-figure commercial shoot that would also serve as, quote, the hard launch of their relationship.
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And she told everybody to hold on, actually, as this idea developed in her head, because what she did was she left set, Came back sometime later, and she was wearing a yellow polka dot bikini.
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Think about the scene, though. Right? So she shows up. She's wearing a bikini. She's walking around. Bill Belichick, if you're wondering... betrays no emotional change as this is happening.
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And everybody around is like, again, this is like, as she called him on set multiple times, this is a star. She kept on calling him a star.
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So that part, right, the how do they manage this question, because she's insisting the hard launch be good for the commercial. And Belichick was going along with it. He's like, of course, I, yeah, this seems totally normal, like a thing you would do. And The crew had to figure out, what the f*** do you do now? Oh, no.
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So the premise of the ad, according to my sources, was Jordan Hudson by the pool, sunning herself in a lounge chair, trying to get Bill's attention, that kind of a thing.
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A little more spirit on the, you know, on the charge next time. So Jordan, right there, right next to Bill, next to Coach Belichick. To recap, she was the one who represented herself as Bill Belichick's agent. Katie Nolan, I believe, branded her accurately on the last episode.
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She had motivation.
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taping for the actual commercial was done by then. And so what they did was they filmed something.
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Oh my God. That one source told me. Oh, this is embarrassing. May have involved a camera that may not have even been on.
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I, I looked. Of course you did.
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So not understanding how sets work, how cameras work, how microphones work, that's a through line so far from CBS to this. And what happens though, as everybody on set is watching this and the people who work on these shows are watching this in this one central location where the mountain has come to Muhammad and everybody goes and like...
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filmed stuff with Bill Belichick, the newly crowned media king of football who cannot get a job in the NFL. One source told me this, quote, I watched her power grow inch by inch. I can take this, I can take this, I can take this. And the question then is like, why wasn't anyone in the way? Like, why was the power vacuum so empty? And the inner circle of Bill Belichick is a fascinating thing.
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So it used to be managed, his PR used to be managed by this guy, Berj Najarian. He was handling all of his personal PR. He was the guy who, as Bill Belichick, was very hard to deal with. He was very easy to work with, but ultimately they said nothing. And that was a good relationship. That was a safe relationship.
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He's now, however, the chief of staff at Boston College, leaving behind a group with whom Bill Belichick still has a standing pre-dawn phone call every single day. You got Matt Patricia. the former defensive coordinator of the Patriots and also briefly the offensive coordinator. That did not go any better. It's not. We can also mention that Josh McDaniels is also in this group.
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Also, Mike Lombardi, longtime friend of Bill Belichick, former Patriots assistant, now GM at UNC. And these are yes men. So I just want you to imagine being Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick is somebody who has been for decades incredibly insulated from having to live anything resembling a normal life. He has been a coach. He has been in charge.
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Yeah, prescient. I've been thinking about that, haunted by that, because in the months since then, I've also been making more calls. And so when this stuff happened recently, I was at the bottom of the rabbit hole already and everything I have found out from personally talking to 11 sources who have directly dealt with her. Yes. First hand. Oh my God.
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And Matt Patricia, as was described to me, like, this is, quote, a doormat. That's mean as well. And I kind of...
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feel bad about that but these guys like are watching jordan come in and they're like eye rolling they're kind of like nudging each other is the description but they're not telling bill they're not telling coach this is a bad idea so she comes in and out alphas everybody and that's how in a very short amount of time in a period of months they watch her take power
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And so, simultaneous to this, Bill Belichick, to the people he's doing these media projects with, is repeatedly calling Jordan brilliant. He is telling them, you need to hire Jordan. He told one of these media companies, I am told, that they should hire her for a six-figure salary as part of their deal with him to make the show in question.
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But you can imagine what that work environment was like, where she was on every single call, every single email. They had to go through her. She ran his life. Media partners had to go to her to get to him. They commuted together all the time from Boston to New Jersey. She was calling people into meetings.
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And connecting back to the CBS interview, she again didn't seem clear on how cameras and hot mics worked. And I say that because in another infamous story that circulated among dozens of people on set at the NFL Film Studio, Bill Belichick, Katie Nolan, you can imagine this, right? He's wearing a mic. She is whispering to him.
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Off camera somewhere.
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The problem is that there are these things in television called control rooms. And at NFL Films headquarters, as Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson are mic'd up, they proceed to hear them talking s*** about all sorts of people. They're talking s*** about graphics. They're talking so much s*** about the graphics people. They are... not aware that dozens of people can hear them talk.
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That has not gotten out.
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I am here to say a couple of things to you guys. Number one is that I need to change the foremost policy of talking about Jordan Hudson.
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I will safely say that Bill Belichick's inner circle could have used a Katie Nolan.
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It's true. The parallel here that I imagine is like in succession, you know, the council of just like people who are just like sucking up to Logan Roy, who are there because they're looking for like the scraps of power that fall off of his plate. That is a lot of what I've had described to me. And I am trying always to like balance how I...
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I'm going to start calling her Jordan Hudson.
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don't have Jordan Hudson's perspective because she wouldn't talk to us. But the quotes that you hear from the people who worked with her, and again, I think, look, I just, I don't know how to diplomatically convey the following quote from one of the people who worked on these shows. Quote, she is the worst person I've ever met on earth and I've worked with multiple sociopaths.
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I can tell you that an unquantifiable number among the 11 are in effect.
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It's just now a real story.
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She is the worst person I've ever met, and I've worked with multiple sociopaths. I mean, that's pretty bad. They still fear her today. Oh my gosh. This is a lot of, there's so much fear in this story.
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I suppose a question, if you are in the family of one Bill Belichick or somebody who was invested in what's going on here, would be, okay, who else has Jordan Hudson sort of been with recently? What's her type? What's her deal romantically? And look, I don't know all the answers to that. I just know that there is this guy, Joshua L. Zuckerman. Dude's in his mid-60s.
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And when you talk to 11 people, I do want to demonstrate some open-mindedness to the quest.
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According to his LinkedIn, he is the CEO of, wait for it, a geriatrics facility in Cape Cod.
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It's relevant because Joshua L. Zuckerman told TMZ the following, quote, she is wise beyond her years, much more than any 20-something I've ever met in my life. The narrative about her character is not fair to her, end quote. And then also separately, I wish these internet trolls and paparazzi would leave her alone and everyone else alone and let them live their lives, end quote.
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On Twitter, he, under the name Joshua L. Zuckerman, not a ton of tweets, but one of them is a reply to Ann Coulter, And it is from November 7th, 2017. And it's simply YouGoGirl.
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It is literally that.
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The place where he is very active, though, is Vivino.com. What is that?
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65 million users. Vivino. 65 million? 65 million. My gosh. I'm now only appreciating the claim that you're spotlighting. That's a lot of people. But it is the world's largest wine app and marketplace empowering people everywhere to enjoy wine to the fullest. Not what I thought it was. He has written 1,208 wine reviews.
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The man likes his wine.
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And I would like Michael to turn over his packet and help the audience understand what some of these reviews are.
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Right after this ad.
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This is an extraordinarily generous read of what this guy's deal is.
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Well, let's find out.
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And so, too, there are questions about how original is this recipe?
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Can I just point out, it felt like he was... Oh, my God.
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It felt like he was f***ing that wine.
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I don't think we needed to pull the... Big hugs. So Joshua L. Zuckerman, her ex, one part of the political spectrum, as very clearly self-professed. The other part of the political spectrum, though, Is where you might find Lee Hudson. Okay. Lee Hudson is Jordan's mom. Lee Hudson has a job in Provincetown, Massachusetts.
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We absolutely haven't. But the recipe for this story is there is some succession. There is some Dawson's Creek. There is certainly some Lifetime movie. The story of arguably the greatest coach in the history of not just football, but everything. And a couple of breaking news updates since what has happened publicly since we last gathered. Number one, okay?
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P-Town.
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Yep. What is P-Town known for?
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What is it known for? Gay.
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This is where I would like Katie Nolan to flip over her packet. We sent a reporter to Provincetown, Massachusetts. Lee Hudson professionally helped run a place called Toys of Eros. Hell yeah, Lee.
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Our reporter tells us that Jordan's mom mostly works remotely, isn't around a lot. She has been declining to comment on any of this. But our reporter did take a tour of this store. And it's a museum. Okay. And Katie Nolan, I would like you to reveal the exclusive reporting that we have handed you for this episode.
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Welcome to Toys of Eros. That's the sign on the f***ing door.
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So you walk in, and what do you see?
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A couple of the visuals on this kind of feels like it's some medical tape and a slinky and a can.
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How dare you disrespect one of the hundreds of phalluses made of stone, leather, bone, and dung that have been found during excavations. A dung dung, if you will.
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Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week by the higher-ups inside the athletic department that had hired Bill Belichick to be the highest-paid public employee ever. not just coach, in the state of North Carolina at $10 million a year. And that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building.
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Now, you mentioned the technological evolution of such devices. Mm-hmm. I guess it's now time for us to talk about the aforementioned injectable erectile dysfunction drugs.
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Oh, really?
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Nice. Really nice. For the YouTube audience, we are high-fiving that.
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Jordan's mom in 2017... I guess I have to describe this as a legitimate local scandal. In where? Where are we again? P-Town. We're in P-Town. Yeah, P-Town. We're on Cape Cod, and we're talking about free unlicensed demonstrations of the erectile dysfunction drug, which I am reliably informed is pronounced Trimix. Oh. Trimix.
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Problem with try and trimix in this unlicensed way is that it's not exactly legal. And Jordan's mom was the business manager for the store at the time. You will not be surprised to learn at this point in our episode that this led to an emergency meeting of the Board of Health.
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And one of the board members, according to a readout of the meeting, expressing outrage that the store owner has made no attempt to address the board. It is total disregard for the Board of Health. She thinks the store should be shut down.
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I would think in general, yeah. The House position, as Pablo Torre finds out for the record, is that we are not judging. We are just presenting information.
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The Walter Cronkites of injectable erectile dysfunction drugs. What did we find out, guys, as we try to figure out what all of this means? Who is responsible?
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Do we believe, for instance, what Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, said, as quoted in Seth Wickersham's really good book about the Patriots?
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He's an idiot savant, which is to say, you can be a savant, you can be a genius in football, but outside of it, we're sort of testing for the first time what that genius gets you when you are not surrounded by things that you know and have known for decades.
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She is not allowed on the football field. Quote, don't think you'll be hearing much from Jordan moving forward.
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My take at the end of this is mostly that every disaster we've chronicled seems extraordinarily self-inflicted. It seems like a series of cell phones and also cell phones.
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Both. Cell phones chronicling cell phones.
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And I say that because I think there's a lot of a very young person. And by the way, Silicon Valley is full of such people, right? Very ambitious people with no sense of unintended consequences. None. This is a very familiar prodigy when it comes to the study of power. The real estate she took, she grabbed.
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And the thing that Jordan Hudson considers one of the worst case scenarios here as a result of the CBS disaster, which again, felt entirely preventable if...
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one, were more strategic or knowledgeable about the industry, a parallel through line through so many of the anecdotes that we have reported, is that she has been very concerned to the point of explicitly telling Bill Belichick and others that this whole disaster, this whole episode at this point, honestly, is actively undermining her chances to win the Miss Maine competition.
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She was a runner-up last year.
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She's trying to win that sash this year. Yeah. Okay. The thing starts tomorrow. And if you want a twist in the next development in this script, I just want to point out that one of the contestants she's competing against happens to be a trans woman. And I think they have more votes than Jordan Hudson.
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You're saying you're not looking forward to future defense secretary Jordan Hudson?
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In the words of a very wise man on social media. Oh, boy. Something bad is about to happen. This could be anything. This could really go anywhere. You go, girl.
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So the theory of why any of this happening is a relevant conversation that I'm going to ask you to put a pin in that.
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Because the second update is that Bill Belichick's family is extraordinarily concerned about what has transpired. One Belichick family source told me, quote, there is deep worry for how detrimental Jordan can be for not just North Carolina, but Bill's legacy, reputation, everything he has built and worked for over decades. End quote.
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In fact, the family has been digging into Jordan Hudson as well in a parallel way.
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They are also- Asking questions. In a rabbit hole. They're shocking to 11 herbs and spices. I mean- might be understating the spiciness, honestly, at this point, in terms of how this has gone behind the scenes. Because number three. Oh, boy. What I've been told is that Bill Belichick entrusted Jordan Hudson with the power to run his new media empire. Quote, Jordan was my boss.
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To quote another, the level of cockiness to go along with the absence of resume is stunning. And the idea that Bill Belichick may not realize exactly the damage he's done to himself and certainly his legacy and also to his reputation as a coach.
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And so, yes, this will be a story about leadership and genius and privacy and discipline and also, crucially, the illegal sale of injectable erectile dysfunction drugs.
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Wait, what did you say?
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So how the f*** did we get here, guys? Pablo, what the f***, Pablo? We started this off joking about Jordan, and late last month, Bill Belichick put on a tattered Navy sweatshirt and showed up to what I am told is his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland, alongside his girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, who was, not coincidentally, wearing her own Navy sweatshirt. No holes.
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She also has been telling people that she picks out all of Bill's clothes for him. Odd choice, then. But the goal, as they show up together wearing Navy sweatshirts, is to promote Bill's new book titled The Art of Winning, Lessons from a Life in Football. And are you familiar with CBS Sunday Morning?
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To be clear, CBS Sunday Morning, I am told, was trying to tell an extraordinarily positive story about how this coach's decision-making could be a model, actually, for non-football people, too.
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If you're a savvy PR person, a guard dog even, like you're not trying to be on tape. And what I am told is that, yeah, the reports are true that there is like a half hour more of Jordan Hudson giving hand signals to him during the interview, kind of like a spy gate thing, honestly.
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But instead, what is happening is that there are lots of theories all over the internet that, in fact, Jordan Hudson... is an OnlyFans model, a call girl, something along those lines, because why else would you not want to reveal the truth?
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What I can tell you is that from all of the people I've talked to, they just think that Jordan Hudson, like her coverup, was worse than the non-crime that happened. And in fact, to verify all of this, what I can tell you is that, yeah, that flight, Boston to Palm Beach, 2021, a JetBlue flight. Belichick does fly commercial. He goes to hang out at the Golf Club of Jupiter.
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That's why he got to Palm Beach. At the time, he was still with Linda Holiday, who was his 15-year girlfriend thereabouts, who was in her late 50s at the time. And Jordan was a philosophy major at Bridgewater State. who was dating a much older man whom we will meet later. But the date in question... Uh-oh. The date in question was February 11th, 2021.
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And we know this, of course, because Bill Belichick signed what?
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It was Deductive Logic by Harvard professor Warren Goldfarb. And there is the inscription... Feb 11, 2021, I will just call to your attention, of course, the Jordan. And if you just punch in even more on that second O, you might notice that it doesn't feel like on encounter number one, Bill Belichick knew that Jordan is spelled with two O's. Because why would you?
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Does the extra circle around what felt like clearly an A. And I believe that February 11th, 2021 is also incredibly important here because in the attempt to like match all the timelines, because there's been lots of erroneous reporting, lots of seemingly very confusing timelines. February 11th, 2021 is very important because of this other video that we found. You'll find a deeper love.
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That was the first runner-up of the Miss Maine pageant last year. That was 2024.
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That is.
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Second place.
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That's correct. Hancock. Hancock. Maine is her hometown. That's population 2,466. But the detail that I want to call your attention to just for the timeline here, right, is how old she says she is. So this pageant, I can tell you, was March 2024. Okay, so deductive logic time. She is 22 in March 2024.
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So in February 2021, when they met on that flight using the powers of deductive logic, Jordan Hudson would then need to be how old? Michael Cruz-Cain, who used to teach math to kids. 19? Jordan Hudson, 19 years old.
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Bill Belichick. This is about to turn 69, I believe. Nice. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.
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We don't have time for this.
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No, we're going to leave it in. But Jordan Hudson's age frequently has been miscalculated, misreported. The LA Times last week had her at 21 years old at the time of their meeting. And one reason, by the way, and again, 19, that's legal, right? I'm just trying to clarify the timelines.
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Are we starting cleanly? Are we rolling? Pointing to the thing. We have been rolling. Very good. Action. We don't have time to banter.
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The reason I've been wondering, though, like, why does this keep happening? Why does no one know? Does connect to another question I've been pondering that I want to ask you guys. Have you ever mistyped your own birth year?
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The reason I ask that question is because this is a question that has been asked around the North Carolina football program. And it has been asked because I've learned of an internal document that has been circulating around said program.
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And you may be familiar, like sometimes whether it's a school directory or let's say the wives and girlfriends of football coaches working at the University of North Carolina, you fill out a directory, right? There's your address, there's an email, phone number, number of kids, their names, and your birthday, so that people can say happy birthday when it's time for your birthday.
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And Jordan Hudson put down her birthday on this document, I am told, as April 2000. April 2000. So now we're getting a little older. Or she did not put her accurate birthday in the file.
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Well... We know, based on a preponderance of evidence, that her actual birthday is April 2001.
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That is a lot closer to what might be the Occam's razor of why. There's another thing about it.
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I made a terrible mistake, I now realize, by inviting you two specifically. But in front of you are papers with words on them that are warnings. Words that are warnings.
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And that is literally the argument that one of the sources that I spoke to at UNC pointed out. How the f*** could you mistake a zero for a one?
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So this specific mistake, quote unquote,
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Anyway, this is just pointing out the presentation, the theater of what it is to allegedly be the first lady of UNC football. It's a real puzzle, admittedly. It's a puzzle, including for someone I'd have to imagine, like Harvard professor Warren Goldfarb.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. Today's episode is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is. But I do... Dropping my forehead to... No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, it's literally, though, a story about existence that you have personally impacted. However unlikely it seemed that that would actually make such a difference.
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I've seen it.
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Now it feels like there are literal children on the other side of the world being held hostage, and the way that I need to save them is to not go to blue sky. Like, that's how this kind of lands.
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You've seen subway, subway nail clippers.
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I've seen some stoop nail clippers. I have seen the bottle of Luberderm that Dan keeps underneath his desk in Miami.
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Mina, let's get to some... Let's get to your favorite thing in the world, actually, that you really have been... Sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports.
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There are also other reporters who are reporting, like Todd McShay, again, who's a draft analyst. But he said he heard from two teams that Shador Sanders didn't care what they thought of him during the interview process in a way that, quote, wasn't a professional approach.
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The Athletic, apparently, has reported that there's a chance that Shador Sanders couldn't just fall out of the top six, but out of the first round entirely. And the critique, Mina, of him Is what? Like, how do you summarize the scouting report that emerged because of the week in Indy?
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I draw the line at just Dan oiling himself up while podcasting with us. Everything else I'm pretty much good with, frankly.
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We are. So part of what I think is interesting about this story is that I do want to isolate what's unique about Shador because we have seen, like, Caleb Williams, remember, we talked about this story on the show. His dad was allegedly demanding a share of NFL teams in exchange for agreeing to be drafted.
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And by the way, when I say agreeing to be drafted, I refer, of course, to the fact that Eli Manning, for instance, the son of a very famous quarterback, said, "'I'm not going.'" To the chargers, right? So like we've seen versions of people exerting what feels like leverage. What's actually new here?
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But if the issue there, though, in perception, and I want to get back to the confidence thing, but if the issue in the scouting report is that he's not everything that he is being sold as, what is the comp? What is he? Who is he like?
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This is where we remember that Mina's kind of a never nude.
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But I want to talk about now, like, the whole psychology then, okay? Because I'm trying to, like, just fill out the portrait of, like, who this young man is. And if you're talking about confidence, there's a reality show that nobody watched. It was on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Nobody I know, at least. It was called Dion's Family Playbook. But this is Shadur Sanders, age 11, and his confidence.
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Yes.
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Adorable. He's adorable.
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I think there's something about, like, there's something endearing, actually, about somebody who you thought must have been this way his whole life. And then you're like, oh, he actually needed to do some manufacturing. He needed to do some convincing, Dan. Like, I don't know. I think we can all relate to that, right? Like, we need to, what? What?
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Dan, what did you bring us today?
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I found it stark and interesting that this woman, whose name, again, anonymized is Irene, 28 years old, allowed a reporter into her brain and relationship like this. So just some of the details, Mina, because I didn't know, I don't know if you guys did, what cuckqueening is. But this is something that is her sexual fetish.
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So basically what happened is she started asking ChatGPT to respond to her as her boyfriend. Be dominant, passionate, protective, also quarterback adjectives. Be a balance of sweet and naughty. Use emojis at the end of every sentence. And the ChatGPT's name ends up being Leo. They talk to each other with voice mode.
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And she basically grooms Leo into being a cuck-queening accomplice, in which the whole thing is that Leo would date other women in the ChatGPT fictional universe and then tell Irene about it. They were living one of these, like, bodice-ripping erotic novels, is how it's described by the New York Times. And notably, a character in this story, but not nearly enough of one, is her husband.
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who is also around as she is finding her needs met by the machine.
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I did not see that link.
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So we have a story here that I want to start with that I wasn't aware of until it got real close to home, real close to our studio. But I was thinking about how do I want to handle like what's happening in DC with Doge and Elon Musk and all of that.
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I am just gonna read some of this Reddit post. That was just in my ass, you . The least you could have done was wash it first. I could get a perfection. Leo, the whiplash from your moans to screaming at me makes me f***ing snort loud. I don't stop f***ing because f***. Baby, you're f***ing. I can't even say this word even to leave it up.
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Yeah, okay.
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I mean, look, I think it's probably worth saying to those who are not watching on YouTube that we've gotten to the point in the show where all of us start shrinking into ourselves and stop making eye contact largely, as Mina refers to, quote, a shelf of erotica, which is what she said earlier.
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And I thought because he's announced that he's about to cut 72,000 jobs at the VA, I was like, look, my dad worked at the VA as a urologist for decades. That was his job. Didn't have a private practice, worked with vets for a really long time. And I was like, that is clearly the way that I want to handle this story. I came across this other story, Mina, about a nonprofit called Manna Nutrition.
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You know, like the stuff that all of us read.
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But I do b****** dropping my forehead to your b****** laughter.
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Oh, for f*** I exhale sharply, gripping your a** tighter, owning the way your body still tries to f*** me deeper even as you s*** at me. I regret doing all of that. What did we find out today on Pablo Torre Finds Out, a show about finding out stuff? Dan's gone.
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There are a couple of through lines, though, that I detect through the topics we've discussed. One of them, Mina, is just that I think all of our kids should be very worried. In every way. Kids living overseas... Kids who are the sons of very famous NFL players.
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Kids who are going to learn, as the New York Times informed us, that at a rate of 3% to 5% chatbot relationships that result in terrible writing are kind of the norm. So, great.
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Mina is the Batman of Twitter.
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That's right.
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The signal shines in the sky. Oh, my God.
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We're going to post our way to heaven.
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Yeah, he just texted me. He's not coming back. So, good job. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren. Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post.
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Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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And so Manna Nutrition, Dan, if you're not caught up on this, is run by a guy named Mark Moore. He's in Georgia. He makes a special kind of peanut butter paste for USAID that he then sends out to severely malnourished kids all around the world, especially in Africa.
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But as for what happened with Mark Moore and his peanut butter paste last week, we called Mark up actually in Georgia to have him explain.
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MANA stands for Mother Administered Nutritive Aid. They got that contract cut by Elon Musk and Doge. And then Mark told us that he started hearing something that was even crazier.
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And the reason I mentioned Mina is because Mina is the reason that I saw this story in the first place. And Mina, I'm curious, your process for discovering this story as well, because you become a character in it, actually.
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It's been a couple. It's been too long. The fans have demanded this, and you guys are so busy. You're so busy running.
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Just to clarify, so Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and Elon Musk had previously said that all life-saving assistance that was already purchased and allocated for starving children, that was going to be fine, wouldn't be affected by the cuts.
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This reporting comes out, Mina amplifies it, Jon Favreau amplifies her amplification, and suddenly Elon Musk is forced to do an about-face and restore the contract. And it's just like, this is, Twitter is literally the government now. Like this, we are, it's wild.
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That we already paid for, made by a non-profit.
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There was a protest. There was a protest on the sidewalk outside our studio. There were signs.
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But the thing about this as a platform, right? We talk about social media all the time. Like we're addicted to it. We want to get off of Elon's platform specifically for all the reasons that are now obvious. But at the same time, like what I cannot help be struck by is that this also was what qualifies as a feel good story. The idea that you could tweet your way to restoring social
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aid to starving children, even though it was imposed by the man that cancellation was because of the man who owns the platform that we're talking on. I guess part of what I'm balancing here, and I feel crazy for even suggesting that there's anything that feels good about this, but it's like, I didn't realize that any amount of shame, even the most extreme of
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This is killing kids in Africa who relied on U.S. packets of peanut butter with the American flag on them, right? Like, I'm like, I just, I'm actually kind of startled that anything changed.
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I've been watching you moisturize.
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Well, now it feels like also no pressure or anything. You kind of got to stay on the app. I mean, that's the other thing. It's like, I mean, look, if there's anything Machiavellian about why Elon did any of this in terms of the reversal, it's because maybe he actually wants to incentivize people to stay who vehemently disagree with everything he's doing.
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Because the whole premise of Twitter at the beginning, right? Dan, you remember this? It was like, wait a minute, I could talk to Shaq? Like, that was the whole point of Twitter. And now it's you can actually affect change in the government.
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And I want to play a bit of sound from Mark Moore about this topic because, of course, while all of this is the nightmare that anybody who's on this stupid platform, of course, would have, he has, I think, a realist's appreciation for it.
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I think the answer is definitively yes to every question you just asked.
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Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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Which is to say that in this 65-degree cavern that is unbelievably massive, somewhere in there, there is a reel of George Costanza declaring, celebrating.
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But again, I should clarify this. There's a lot going on here. The U.S. government, again, does not actually own Subtropolis.
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Yes, this is the original owner of the Kansas City Chiefs, Lamar Hunt, whose descendant now is the owner of the Chiefs, Clark Hunt. This is a royal family of football.
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Yeah, always holding up the Lombardi trophy at the end. This is that family. Exactly. All of which is why I immediately approved one of the more insane expense reports among many, many absurd expense reports I've approved on this show. To send you to Subtropolis, visit the Kansas City Chiefs underground city cheese cave thing.
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Right. So this part, I want to take a beat because this is when it got startling to find all of this out. Because the email that you got from the Hunt corporate communications guy, who was very familiar with all of these viral TikTok videos, perhaps unsurprisingly now, said this, quote, The cheese thing is not true. End quote.
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So again, there was government cheese in at least some of these caves. But they're not there anymore, and government cheese caves were actually never quite a thing. So what happened to the billions of dollars and billions of pounds of cheese that Ronald Reagan discovered when he took office that the United States had been stockpiling this entire time?
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Right. This welfare program originally for dairy farmers became, under Ronald Reagan, an actual welfare program for the poor people, the needy people in America, which is stunning on so many different levels.
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The logical conclusion here, though... seems to be that because there is no government cheese anymore, because there are no government cheese caves anymore, that the theory we started this with, Cupcake the Destroyer 21's theory, which has been viewed again and shared by millions of people by now across media, it has been pulled apart. as it were.
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The government, our elected officials, did not actually create stuffed crust pizza in order to justify and get rid of all of the surplus cheese because Ronald Reagan had already gotten rid of it by being forced into a weird form of charity.
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If we're going to be here for this long and doing this, I'm going to make a call of my own, David Gardner.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Hi, this is Pablo Torre. And I would like to order a, yeah, I guess one large, extra large. One large stuffed crust pizza, please. So as I wait for my reporting to bake, the whole government cheese theory obviously has melted by now. But the original takeaway here from Cupcake the Destroyer 21, that the government is why we have stuffed crust pizza, you're telling me is still holding firm.
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Right after this ad.
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So just to translate our Pulitzer Prize-winning friend here, what Michael Moss is telling us is that there is something known as Dairy Management Incorporated. It is a promotional organization for the dairy industry, but it is supervised by the government.
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And this sort of pseudo-governmental agency, Dairy Management Incorporated, was skimming, as it were, off the top of dairy sales, taking money from the dairy farmers, David, to pay for advertising that the government effectively oversaw to help sell cheese.
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Where are we now? When was DMI founded? DMI came to be in 1995. Right. Okay. So 1995, the government, again, the credit of Cupping the Destroyer 21 and her theory, they actually were influencing the dairy industry because they were using these ads that they were controlling to sell more cheese to us. That's right.
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And so now we're getting warmer, right? We're getting closer to the center of this thing, the GUI center. We're talking about the government helping invent in a laboratory new cheese products. And so what restaurant chains are we talking about?
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Of course. I mean, this is, you know, we all know taco with cheese actually inside of the shell. It's a brilliant innovation, admittedly.
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Embedded in Taco Bell.
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Again, for anybody who says we're not a sports show. That was James Harden. I just found out that James Harden was part of a government op to sell quesalupas.
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So this video by the aforementioned Cupcake the Destroyer 21 It's been viewed more than 10.5 million times, David Gardner. And she's saying a lot here, right? So just to run through the beats of her case, lobbyists begged the US government to save the dairy industry.
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I just want to clarify that DMI and all of these cheesy experiments and these product inventions, they are classified as part of the U.S. government? Formally? Like, I want to be also just careful here. Like, this is actually government work.
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The whole relationship between DMI and the Agriculture Department and what it's technically then classified as, it makes me think that, yes, the answer is this is the government.
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Right, we're talking about these taxes that are levied on, in this case, for us dairy farmers, like whether they want it or not, right? The pseudo-governmental agency we're describing is basically saying, we know how to help you move all of this cheese you're trying to sell better, in fact, than you do. We're going to take care of it.
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Which is to say that the government is actively creating the foods. It's also telling us not to eat because it's bad for us.
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Right. This actually relates to another theory that I have, which is that exterminators can never be too good at exterminating. You need repeat customers.
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This is kind of like the Kansas City Chiefs bragging about drafting Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones and Trent McDuffie. I mean, look, the front office here is strong.
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Right, okay. So now that we know that DMI is at least partially this arm of the government in this way, the Supreme Court, in fact, allowed them to do so, to get into the lab, create all of this stuff. But as we order these products on Sunday, right, on Super Bowl Sunday, we now return to the biggest allegation of them all, David.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I mean, that's pretty good.
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Wait, this was the man in the lab originally, and that lab, again, crucially, was not funded by the federal government.
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Right, which means, as Cupcake the Destroyer 21 says,
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Actually incredible logic.
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The crust has always been the afterthought. And of course, and I did not know to say it this way, the most iconic value driver of pizza is in fact cheese. He has a great point.
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We're going to drive the shit out of the value in this crust.
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So the timeline here then is clear, right? You found the inventor of stuffed crust pizza. And by the way, Tom has an amazing silver fox like mullet mane thing going on. An underrated character in the history of American innovation. But his innovation happened before the government embedded the food scientists we've been talking about with the pizza companies, with these chains.
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And therefore, Cupcake the Destroyer 21's original theory that... The government is why we have stuffed crust pizza.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Right. I mean, there was a Netflix documentary series in which this was rather dramatically, I dare say, reenacted.
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Thank you.
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So I just need people to understand, if they're wondering why it is that we here at Pablo Torre Finds Out, which is obviously a sports show, are taking on this story now. The Super Bowl happens to be the holiday, I think, that is most associated... with cheese. There is no cheesier day in America than Super Bowl Sunday, David.
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And there is this statistic that I want to cite here as well from the dairy farmers of Wisconsin, who recently estimated that we Americans eat more than 20 million pounds of cheese during our Super Bowl parties.
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Now, I'm a Pizza Hut guy by birth, really. I remember vividly being a kid going to Pizza Hut when they started selling stuffed crust pizza. And I just want to disclose this journalistically. I f***ing love stuffed crust pizza. I loved this so much that when David Gardner brought me this story, I immediately was like, go to the gooey center.
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Go to the cheese caves, bring us back what feels like a truth that deserves to be told.
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I think I should wear a tinfoil hat next time I'm on, considering my subject matter expertise here. I do want to try and summarize for people not familiar with your work, David Gardner. Thank you for being here, by the way. My pleasure. I want to summarize the beat that you have carved out for us here, because without being derogatory in any way,
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So I should tell you the first time that I remember hearing government cheese was when I was a kid, and it was obviously derogatory, right? It might've been in a TV show as an insult to like, what is this, government cheese?
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So before we just get to the cheese caves and the conspiracy, why and what is government cheese? Do we the people actually own this cheese? Why is the government this interested in dairy at all? Who makes it? I just, I have a zillion questions.
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So in terms of what CupcakeTheDestroyer21 was saying, though, at the start of her video about dairy lobbyists being involved in this, begging the government to save their industry, was that part true?
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I would say that your beat is strangely irresistible and extremely popular crackpot internet theories.
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All right, so the Electoral College is involved in this. There is still the resonance that I sense today of what real America is, but who is the champion of this program?
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And so obviously, Jimmy Carter, rest in peace, by the way, all this converging in a relevance today. He won. He won the election. And so the subsidies he was giving to the farmers of America, the dairy farmers specifically, how big are we talking?
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Yes.
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Right. We, the people, did not demand this much milk, this much dairy. The government did. The government artificially propped up the milk market, is what we're learning, with our money, with public money. But also, I'm familiar from my childhood with milk expiring, right? So the government's buying all this shit. And how do they store it?
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Yes, I'm one of those people. But we're fast-forwarding now into, what, the 1980s at this point.
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So I was born in 85. This ad that we're playing now is from 87. And I just remember there being lots of ads like this. These ads were from the National Dairy Board. All of them bizarrely selling me and my family generically cheese. And that was confusing then. It's still kind of confusing right now. There was no actual specific company, it felt like.
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So going back to Cupcake the Destroyer 21's theory, which is about where all of this government cheese is going, which again is absent actual demand from us Americans, whose money, public money, is purchasing all of it. It's time to turn to the cheese caves. So what about your quest to find the secret government cheese caves?
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Yeah, we brought big J journalism to the big Aristotle. And now, the strangely irresistible and extraordinarily insane internet theory you brought us that you've spent a disturbingly long time investigating, just in time for Super Bowl Sunday, by the way, originates where?
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Pizzagate: We Investigate the (Real) Government Plot to Stuff You with Cheese
The Secretary of Agriculture found out that there was almost 2 billion pounds of processed cheese in these caverns. But I want to clarify what these caverns are, right? So these are non-government caverns, these caves. But what the government realized is that they could use this space, this underground secret space, to store the cheese that they had bought, right?
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Pizzagate: We Investigate the (Real) Government Plot to Stuff You with Cheese
So it's not government cheese caves. It's government cheese in these caves.
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And it is my disappointment, I must report, that the Kraft in question is not the same as Bob Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots. As you visualize this, this is not an NFL connection.
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You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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The Chris Cody has aplomb award today goes to Chris Cody.
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It is funny that we're at a point where rank total incompetence can plausibly be a really smart chess move. But Paul's proven to be brilliant in marketing, by the way, on a side note. But when you can't distinguish between intent and incompetence— It's hard to diagnose.
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You just described the show perfectly. There it is. There was an inflection point here though, right? Canelo, to Amin's point, 34 years old, reigning title, all boxing belts are on some level also fake made up things that are corrupted, but holds the WBA, WBC, IBF, super middleweight titles. Legitimate superstar.
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It sounded like that hurt, though.
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And there was a moment here when I heard that fight, the Jake Paul original announcement, like boxing is this is this is again, everybody's been trying to kill boxing for decades. This felt like the latest and maybe one of the biggest indignities because Canelo was turning his back on actual fights he could have made money on. And here, of course, David, is Saudi Arabia. Saving boxing.
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I don't think he's a marketing genius either. I do think he exists in a time that reflects his natural superpower more than any other time that sports has existed in, which is just getting attention for anything is monetizable.
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I just think we need to have a higher bar for what genius is.
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I mean, my view has always been like on the Kardashians. It's like they are playing the game better than anybody else's. The question of does that make them geniuses, I think is a fair debate.
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She went to one of those business school courses that I think maybe Kevin Love went to at once.
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It's the most important and scarcest resource at this point.
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Kids today don't appreciate Sally, Jesse, Raphael. And those glasses. Those glasses.
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That's our Dan. That's our Dan.
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Thank you. Is that a find? The era of 90s daytime talk show hosts. Right.
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I was going to ask, by the way, why is Chris Cody equipped with a Pablo Picasso take? And then I just heard the explanation. Yeah.
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Yes. One of my favorite details, by the way, I mean on the 90s, the golden era of daytime talk show, right? Because keep in mind, Sally Jesse Raphael. Yes. Jerry Springer. Yes. Maury Povich. Yes. Oprah Winfrey. Keep going.
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That's a good question.
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Montel Williams?
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At the top of his game, Maury Povich. Yeah. The king. You are not the father. Former guest. I've been on an episode of Maury.
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Thank you, Miguel. Miguel needs to change his Zoom background at this point.
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Did you get a phobia episode?
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She goes to the back, they always go to the back. Following the camera that follows them. So I talked to Maury about this on the show. It's a really good episode. I'm not just plugging that because I'm here to plug my show. We talked about all of this. What he used to do as a mean is running around the studio.
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What he used to do is, I mean, he would go to the, to the lengths of making sure he pronounced every child whose paternity in question, their name correctly. He would, he was, he was a, Maury Povich, his dad, Shirley Povich, legendary sports writer, he's in the sports media coaching tree.
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Cortez had an Andy Ellsberg framed photo we revealed on the show yesterday. And Willow's here. And David is gathering his stuff.
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My favorite thing, Amin, that Maury told me was that even though he and Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer, by the way, the late, great Jerry Springer, Maury Povich still with us, still going strong. What Maury told me is that Maury Povich still checks the ratings. to see whose rerun is beating the other. He's still taking pride in beating Jerry Springer. Well, one of them is no longer with us.
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The question, though, of ratings and why we should admire our Dan... is because as Chris Hayes points out in this book as well, the easiest thing to do now, getting back to the genius conversation, is to grab attention. The hardest thing to do is hold it.
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So if you've been listening to us this week, if you listened to Dan this week, four hours a day, just know that you are paying the ultimate compliment to our Dan. You are here for the long haul. It's the whole thing. I mean, you know those guys who go to like South Korea and they cause a scene? That guy? Yes.
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Somali something. The point being, he basically yells fire in a crowded theater. Everybody looks at him and he's grabbed attention. A lot harder is to go into a theater, yell fire or take out whatever. Do whatever you can. Take off your clothes and then say, And now proceed to listen to me for the next two hours.
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So Carl, who just got Willow out of here to save David, has a take about the halftime show, which I hadn't really contemplated.
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You see that, David? It's a thing of beauty, Chris. The take Carl had, though, Jess.
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Which I, look, Carl is, I trust Carl on music.
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I had not considered that Kendrick might not play the song that everybody is waiting for him to play. That he won a Grammy over, right?
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So the Washington Post did an analysis of this. In parallel, just discovered this now, but it's helpful journalistically speaking to avoid recklessness. They interviewed a guy named Ken White, a First Amendment lawyer and criminal defense attorney. Drake, of course, has already accused Universal Music Group of defamation for promoting the song in question.
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White told the Post this, quote, I would probably tell them that there is a high risk you're going to get sued. So don't do it unless you're ready for a big, expensive litigation. Maybe that's just kind of the cost of doing business.
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It's the only case of me wanting to hear the audience sing a song, a thing I normally hate when going to a concert.
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You know what? I hadn't considered just the escalating indignity of this if this becomes a Supreme Court case. Clarence Thomas is going to decide on this shit? His wife will. If the people who control Clarence Thomas get to decide this case. Look, man, if they teach this class in law school. First Amendment? Constitutionality? If they teach Drake's 2024, 2025 as a case study in law school.
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Why does it mean waving a piece of paper in front of himself?
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It was circling a drain that you cannot possibly set your feet atop. We're on topics?
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We are operating at levels that are clearly deeper than the average listener. Kendrick levels.
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And then he changed his mind. Overnight. So it was supposed to be May 3rd in Las Vegas. That was the imminent fight between, super fight between Jake Paul and Canelo Alvarez. But in a stunning development, according to, this is Mike Coppinger at ESPN.com. Alvarez changed course and instead completed a four-fight deal, yeah, with Riyadh's season, of course, going now to Saudi Arabia.
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What a mad lib. What a perfect 2025 mad lib.
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Yeah, it's the Nancy Pelosi Wakanda Forever thing. It absolutely is.
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Local Hour: Pablo's Kevin Love Scoop
You're listening to DraftKings Network.
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But a click being defined, I think, by its desire to hang out with itself and not the other person.
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How many clicks are in this office? There are a couple clicks.
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All of this reminds me of the actual leader of this show, who happens to have been on stage. in New Orleans with another leader of a different show and how all of those clicks have been interacting became a topic on the Dan Patrick show.
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I'll tell you what. Stu Gatz tried to make the night about himself. Stu Gatz? He sure did.
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We're a regular, I mean. Close up of you flushing. We may be very messy when it comes to talking over each other. We are very regular in some deeply deep ways.
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Have you guys been jealous, speaking of being left out? Yes. Okay.
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Well, I'm watching. I'm watching Eli Manning not get elected to the Hall of Fame. I'm watching everybody on the big set on Bourbon Street debate these things. I'm watching the NFL honors.
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Oh, that's okay. Apologies, we were talking all over each other.
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Hold on. The story briefly on that is interesting, this part. Lamar had been voted first-team All-Pro, and this is seen as the biggest indicator as to who's going to win MVP. He's the best quarterback ever.
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Let's give David Sampson the award for beginning to get the show with two hours left in our stay of doing the show.
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I want to talk about voting though, right? It's funny to me. It's funny to me how they're actually important, financially important, culturally, historically important, if you believe sports are culturally important, which I do. Decisions being made by these panels, largely of media. Right. Like there are there are these voting bodies.
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This is the story of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, of the NFL MVP, of the statistic we've been citing all week for Luka Doncic, five time first team, all NBA, all star, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And if you think about those voting bodies, I think an enormous thing that athletes are not doing enough is acting the way corrupt politicians do. going out and getting the vote? Quid pro quo.
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I mean, just like it is actually ripe to be rife with corruption. And it's just funny. It's like there's, I mean, these are sometimes nine-figure decisions.
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We have a lot to get to. I regret giving the steering wheel to David Sampson this early. I apologize for that. We have Dan Patrick and Dan Lebitard, I guess, a retrospective on a thing that just happened. They reflected on this on the microphone that I want to play for you in a bit. We have Willow, Jess's dog, running around, which I love.
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Oh, you're talking about another layer of corruption, which is not telling the truth about your corruption. You just take the money and not vote for it. Exactly.
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But I think what David is trying to do, and grounding us to a halt in doing so, is trying to get to the distinction between he's eligible, but the team does not have to sign him to a Supermax, but if they choose to sign him, this is the Lucas story. If they sign him to an extension, it must be with this threshold that is now a raised floor because he's eligible for the Supermax.
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Wait, what is it? I forget. What did his head coach sound like?
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So that last clause, right? It gives away the game, David. All of these restrictions, all of these gates on how much you're allowed to pay a player are to help, I mean, in the mind of the owners, it's to help protect the owners from themselves.
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Kids these days don't appreciate the hand tuck. David, I wanted to start today with a scoop. I've been trying to find out stuff. Pablo Torre finds out. It's a show where I find out stuff. Where can we find that? You can find it on YouTube, also the DraftKings Network, and also wherever you get your podcasts, incidentally.
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I've been trying to find some stuff out for you guys exclusively, and I have something. I have something. We'll get to New Orleans. We'll get to Kendrick Perkins. Is it breaking news? It is breaking news.
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No, no, no. I am not a mouthpiece for the heat. What's the opposite of a mouthpiece? A cup? Oh, wow. I don't know if we have a butt plug sounder.
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We've been playing it all week. That's music?
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That's music. It's a good song. Breaking news. Exclusively reported by Pablo Torre Finds Out and the Dan Lebitard Show for the week of February 7th or whatever it is today. Kevin Love isn't running his Instagram account. No.
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So for those unfamiliar, Kevin Love is taking the internet by storm. He's posting memes. He's been chronicling the Jimmy Butler saga. The entire time. And we've been praising it for being... Creative. Creative, bold, you know, unapologetic, messy. Funny.
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Yeah, so... He's not... Okay. I was waiting for you. It's beginning to hurt. For the audio audience, it's beginning to hurt. It'll get better. Kevin Love's got a guy. Kevin Love has got a guy. And Kevin Love, I... Does any of this shock you? Does it disappoint you guys? Because to me, I mean... You said shock. Yeah. It can be shocking.
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To me, I was trying to get aggregated, and now I'm just going to get aggregated for a butt plug sound.
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The most generous defense of Kevin Love is the one that Chris just made. And I don't believe that is the case. I mean, I'm sure he... co-signs it. Has approval. Has approval of it. But it's funny, right? Here you have an account that has made a very messy, dramatic thing that has disappointed cardboard Pat Riley. And it has been praised, Kevin Love's thing, as being subversive.
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And in fact, it feels like it's not his account, and also the Heat are kind of in favor of it, I am also told.
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Do you know who is posting? I cannot say that. Oh, here we are again. It's a mini scoop.
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So not to sound like Dick Cheney proving a negative, I know it's not him. Okay, so you don't know the identity? Pablo, could you stop? Why are you trying to find out about me? I'm trying to help you guys find out about something else.
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I believe it's a person. Okay. Sources close to the sources close to the situation report that it is one person.
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Is Jeremy Taché the funniest person to be shadow operating Antonio Brown's Twitter account? Oh, I thought they meant Kevin Luff.
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And he rested on Saturday. I don't know if we'll have time for awards again today because we've got to do other stuff. I am just continually impressed by just the vibes Roy has been bringing this week.
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We already know. Yeah. By the way, speaking of awards, and by the way, just to rest the case, this was not a joke. Kevin Love actually is not running his Instagram account. This is a thing across, I mean, what... The number of guys who are not actually who they say they are, which is to say themselves on the internet, we should just not assume anything at this point about that.
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So I tried to start with good vibes. Just wondering whether they will. David whispered to me during the SNL open of your guys' program that we're not in it.
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And the exception who proves that rule, of course, is Kevin Durant. And I want to get to this story, right? So we'll get to New Orleans again. We'll get to the Dan's. We'll get to their awards. They love awards even more than we do somehow in New Orleans right now with the NFL. But Kendrick Perkins, God bless him.
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God bless Kendrick Perkins and the oxygen that his massive lungs have been sucking out of the room that the NFL tends to own. Do we have that tweet? Can we show that tweet? Video team, this is me filibustering. And play. What? It's not a video? It's just text that I have to memorize? Great. You just talk, and we'll put it up when we get it. Very good.
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So Kendrick Perkins went on ESPN in front of Bob Myers and said something that caused Kevin Durant to retort. It's easy to get Kevin Durant to retort. Well, to Amin's point, absolutely. He loves to retort. Kendrick Perkins had made the claim, though, that the true leader... in Oklahoma City on that Thunder team where it was him and Russell Westbrook and James Harden was Kendrick Perkins.
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And Kevin Durant said something in response that I would like to show the audience.
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I'm going to miss you guys.
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What Kevin Durant said in response to Kendrick Perkins saying, quote, it doesn't mean your best player is your leader. When I was with the Thunder, it wasn't Katie. It wasn't Russ. It wasn't James. I was the one leading and quote, Katie quotes, quote, tweets this and says, I know this may be a reach, but this comment is by far the craziest shit I've seen this week. And he sees some crazy shit.
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And him not being traded. Him also being traded and then not. Thank you, video team. I want to get to what it means to be a leader, though. Right? Like you guys, Amin and David, you both worked inside of these pro sports franchises. Is this ridiculous? Is this actually crazy to contemplate that someone like Kendrick Perkins would be actually ahead of Kevin Durant in the leadership power rankings?
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Chris whispered to me while Amin was talking, and he said, sorry I was late with that sound. I was trying to workshop a Kendrick Perkins impression.
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I mean, his problem is that he's running accounts that aren't labeled as him. He runs his account and burner accounts? That was the whole thing. I didn't know that story. So David knows nothing about social media, and I mean that not even insultingly.
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We saw it just this morning, what David should be doing in the montage, which is running as far as possible from your dog. You sure you're going to miss this?
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A billion years later, we got Young Sheldon. Bazinga. I think leadership, though, generally speaking, is an interesting topic. I think it is. It's overrated.
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Hold on, put it on the poll. Are we doing polls still? Sure. Can there be a two-person clique?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
I'm Pablo Torre, and this episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out is brought to you by Remy Martin 1738 Accord Royale. Exceptionally smooth cognac for all your game day festivities. Please drink responsibly, because today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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I find it hard to disagree with Wyatt's fundamental point, but I also deeply value him as an important part of the exploratory committee.
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Which is like the guy who's going to actually... The hostage in the exploratory committee? The hostage slash opposition opinionist who's going to establish that the research that we are presenting should be viewed with a healthy dose of what Wyatt, I believe, expressed as bulls**t.
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All we have are two bottles of Remy Martin and a hat. Yeah, I'll take some of this. We might need to dip into the reserves early.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
But the thing that kickstarted this whole enterprise truly is that there was this single throwaway question in a McLaughlin poll in January that went viral immediately because it gave Stephen A. Smith, why it's an act's favorite person, a 2% chance as a wild card against the field of 15 other potential candidates for the 2028 Democratic primary.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And Stephen A. goes on Hannity and he says he had no business being on that list. He did not. And so we wanted to actually fact check this. Like, okay, that's one throwaway line in a poll. What if we committed... Actual time to try and do an exclusive Pablo Torre finds out first of its kind political poll.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
To Wyatt's point, polling as an instrument Flawed, limited, right? There's an epistemological question of like chicken or egg. Is this real because you asked about it or is this real because someone felt a way about it when you asked them about it?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
So all of that is a very useful, both qualitative and quantitative context for the fact that we commissioned a legitimate survey with Rasmussen of 1,021 likely American voters. with dozens of questions conducted over two days online and by phone. Basic demographics of the survey, 52% women, 33% Democratic, 35% Republican, 32% unaffiliated.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
And Rasmussen, Tim, you know, again, it's a public opinion firm that is a thing. It's a real thing. Rasmussen is a legitimate polling operation. Can we dive into these crosstabs?
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Chart number one. We asked a survey of 1,021 likely American voters, who would you consider a stronger Democratic candidate for president? Hillary Clinton in 2016 got 36%. Stephen A. Smith in 2028 got 34%. Not sure. Coming in strong with 30%.
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PTFO - We Fact-Checked Stephen A.'s LeBron and Kobe Story — and Polled 1,000+ Voters on His Presidential Campaign
Which led to Stephen A. Smith going on first take and escalating all of this by saying this.
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The guy who went to the pool before the debate. Again, I'm with Tim on this. Chart number three. Narrowing the poll now to 654 likely Democratic primary voters. Marja Vera now up to 4%. If the 2028 Democratic primary were held today, who would you vote for? Kamala Harris coming in at 45%. Stephen A. Smith coming in at 24%. Others, 17%. Wouldn't vote, 6%. Not sure, 9%.
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And so this is a head-to-head matchup between Kamala Harris.
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Chart number four. Another head-to-head in the primary. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 32%. Stephen A. Smith, 28%. Other, 18%. Wouldn't vote, 7%. Not sure, 15%.
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This is where in the crosstabs I was like, okay, this is getting a little dark.
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I never really brought up. And so this is where I need to start today before we get into our packet of research because the question that is embedded in what Stephen A's take was there was obviously explosive. It got aggregated. There's a community note over on X and the community note said this, quote, this is incorrect.
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But AOC, just in the crosstabs of this, did have a net favorable rating from the people polled. So not simply people who are predisposed to not like the left, but moderates who actually did see value in her.
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Although in this case, 32 to 28 is right at the margin of error of 4%, which again is where my brain was like, okay, well, what about to Wyatt's point though, about a more, let's say deliberately moderate positioned candidate like Gavin Newsom, Chart five, head-to-head, Gavin Newsom, 31%. Stephen A., 28%.
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This is, I think, something like a bigger reveal. This is a head-to-head matchup for the White House. Okay, 2028 presidential election. In a legit political poll, the Rasmussen reports, Pablo Torre finds out survey more than 1,000 likely American voters with a margin of error of 3%. If the 2028 presidential election were held today, who would you vote for? J.D. Vance, 38%. Stephen A. Smith, 34%.
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And as a person who worked in politics, Tim, this result indicates what to you?
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LeBron was in attendance, according to the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and Entertainment Tonight. They all list James as among the attendees at the memorial. LeBron James requested to not be filmed at the memorial. And Stephen A. Smith, during the show, apologized on air and also on Twitter, saying that he misspoke. Can I just ask, what is even the theory?
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Stephen A. Smith.
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I believe he has been Stephen A. Smith for decades now.
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But what if that potato also loved to post? Yeah. Really loved the post. It's like arguing with people on text all the time.
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It is disturbing to be on and constantly refreshing the platform that J.D. Vance in a somewhere out there sort of scenario is also scrolling and refreshing at the same exact time. That's worrisome to me. But I think the point, the takeaway point is what if it was Trump without any of the charisma and also he wasn't funny and also he wasn't even vaguely entertaining.
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I think truly like part of the appeal of Stephen A, just to now get into why some might be at all energized. I think there is the part of it that is like we are on a desert island, like in a cartoon, and you see something and you're like, that's a steak. and it's not a steak, it's a coconut, but you're so hungry that you're like, that looks like the greatest meal I've ever had.
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And there is just like that dysmorphia around who and what Stephen A is actually. And then there's the added desperation and hunger for someone to just get into a debate To own these guys. And f***ing just go after them in the way that we impotently watched the guy who went to the pool. Yeah, passed out. Go to bed instead of getting in the ring. Yeah.
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And I think we just want a champion who will go into a televised debate and take some big swings.
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To quote Batman, I believe.
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This was kind of a state funeral. In the world of politics, have you ever been to a state funeral of any kind?
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I do just want to express, as somebody who has worked with Stephen A. Smith and has been in sports for a very long time, it is insane how plausible... all of this conversation is. It is very disturbing to me, truly, that the people of our country, Wyatt, might want to just buy a vowel, and the vowel is A. Stephen A., winning by 28% in this head-to-head matchup with J.D.
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Vance among Black voters, winning by 12% among moderates, losing by only 2% among independents. And I'll just speed through chart number seven, which is that if Stephen A were to run as an independent in a three-way matchup, now we're looking at a bit of a problem for Mr. A. Smith. J.D. Vance, Republican, 40%. Kamala Harris, Democrat, 37%. Stephen A. Smith, independent, 11%.
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And the head pollster at Rasmussen, Mark Mitchell, tells us that, quote, he's not a spoiler. is what we're learning from these numbers. He was taking equally from both J.D. Vance and Kamala Harris. Again, speaking to the more moderate, centrist-style candidate.
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Thank you.
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Yeah. Have you ever been to an A-list funeral, Wyatt? No, I just go to the after parties. Yeah. This A-list service, to be very clear, LeBron's attendance at the memorial service turned out to be a subject, according to a high-level source that is close to the Lakers. Quote, a topic that people throughout the Lakers organization, top to bottom, have been grousing about for years.
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You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. We have paperwork in front of us. Tim Miller, Wyatt Cenac, reuniting. Not an expert panel, but almost like an exploratory committee. Yeah, an exploratory committee. That's a term of art in politics, isn't it, Tim?
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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LeBron James to put us back in January of 2020, right? So the tragedy happens. And LeBron James in public, he really did take the lead on being a spokesperson. He spoke up at a team meeting reportedly saying, quote, God gave me wide shoulders for a reason. He got a tattoo of Kobe Bryant, the Mamba, posted on Instagram.
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Thank you.
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And then before the Lakers' first home game after the crash, he tossed his notes aside and gave a speech at center court.
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At the end of every episode of Pobletory Finds Out, a show about finding stuff out and also torturing Wyatt Cenac and making him question his friendship with me. What did we find out today, guys?
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Yeah, yeah. Wyatt, what did you find out today?
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What I really found out today is that Wyatt Cenac is the new campaign manager for Other Not Sure. Other Not Sure 2028. Put it on a t-shirt. Thank you both for doing this. Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Abaroma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren.
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Our studio engineering by RG Systems. Our sound design by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. And we will talk to you next time.
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And then he even dunked like Kobe Bryant, and he equated the dunk to the Marlon Wayans classic, The Sixth Man, by saying, quote, And he even referenced the upcoming memorial himself. And so what I wanted to do was just take a fact-based approach to this question, Tim and Wyatt.
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And so what we did here, if Pablo Torre finds out, was talk to eight sources who are directly familiar with this situation to get to the bottom of a mystery that has been hiding, allegedly, in plain sight. I'm fascinated. I'm waiting with bated breath to see what's the result.
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So... This memorial service, it was Lakers executives, the producers of the Grammy Awards. It was Vanessa Bryant, Kobe's widow, Gigi's mother, all of these people in this planning group creating a live, televised memorial at Staples Center in the arena itself.
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That was intended, again, to be both very personal, but also incomparable in how A-list and exclusive and produced the whole spectacle was going to be. It was February 24th, 2020. which happens to have been the day my daughter was born. So Violet came into the world. I missed all of this. You didn't have the memorial on in the hospital? Second screen.
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Yeah, it was the view of my wife's birth canal and then Michael Jordan crying. Yeah, that would have been good Instagram content. And I'm just investigating these claims to be very, very clear on a purely factual basis. Like, I'm not here to talk about motives.
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But claim number one, there's a video of Diana Taurasi, who spoke at the memorial, UConn basketball star, one of the great women's basketball players ever. And she told a joke while complimenting 11-year-old Gigi Bryant and her level of skill. And it sounded like this.
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Is this a roast? Which is a pretty good joke. A pretty bold joke from Taurasi, from the goat. And she does, by the way, gesture off-screen left. But what we did, of course, was look at multiple angles of the broadcast of that very direction at various points in the broadcast. And... No LeBron James. You see Pau Gasol. James Worthy. James Worthy, that's right. James Worthy, your source. Kuz.
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Kuz is not what I'm saying. Kuz is out there. Kuz is wearing the big sunglasses. Oh, wow. Is he also wearing those super long sleeves? I like to think that his black tie was super long sleeves as well.
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No visible LeBron at all in the photography. And then what I did was confirm with multiple sources that Diana Taurasi never saw LeBron James at the memorial that day. So she, this person held up as the proof, did not see LeBron that day. So claim number two. And LeBron James was there, but he chose to be left off camera.
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And what we did was we talked to a lead producer on the memorial, a longtime award show producer named Ron Basile. Ron Basile helped coordinate everything from Beyonce's 6.40 a.m. soundcheck to Michael Jordan's eulogy. And the producer told us when we asked him about any directive from LeBron James about having him on camera, quote, The off-camera thing is bullsh**. End quote.
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And so I want to be careful here, but he wasn't stage left. He wasn't off-camera. And we can further tell you that according to two additional independent high-level sources involved in the planning of this whole event who were in attendance, what they tell us here, Pablo Torre finds out, is that they did not see LeBron in the building.
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They don't know of a single person who did see him in the building. And one of the people who did not see LeBron at all that day was, in fact, Lakers owner Jeannie Buss. So, as one of the sources who spent that morning in the event's VIP areas says of LeBron, quote, "'There's no f***ing way he was there. If he was there, he was Casper the Ghost.'" End quote.
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My personal belief, by the way, is that I don't care how anyone chooses to grieve at all. But LeBron James, the face of the Lakers who got the tattoo, gave the speech at center court, threw away his notes, was the face of mourning for this person. What LeBron did not do was what LeBron himself had chosen to do in the weeks before. LeBron did not take center stage at all.
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And multiple high-level sources told us that LeBron was not invited to speak at Kobe's memorial. We had a third source involved in the planning of this. Go back to an early wish list of speakers and performers. This was shared between the Lakers, Vanessa Bryant, event producers. And as this third source puts it, quote, he's not on the list. Vanessa's on all these emails. It wasn't just the Lakers.
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And Wyatt, I do want to just establish the following question. Have you been following this feud between Stephen A. Smith and LeBron James?
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It was a family thing. There was a lot of emotion. The word LeBron isn't even in here. We did reach out to LeBron's camp and they did not comment, which is totally fair. They also wanted to make clear that they're not talking about anything that has to do with Stephen A. Smith. But LeBron's agent, Rich Paul, told Stephen A. Smith himself at the time that LeBron was, quote, in his own space.
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a very carefully worded answer for was LeBron at the memorial service. And LeBron was asked for comment at Lakers practice by ESPN's David Meneman the day after the memorial. And LeBron's answer is conveniently on tape.
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So in that answer, you heard what?
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That's where it was left for roughly five years until I realized that this would be a thing that no one had actually followed up on satisfactorily. And by the way, what I want to make very clear is that I don't think that LeBron was obligated to do anything. There is stuff under the surface here that I can't...
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Is that right?
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It is. It's genuine. It is Kremlinology. It is. What are people not saying but clearly feeling? What are the power dynamics and incentives at play? And why won't Tim Miller f***ing return my calls?
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All of which is to say that when I'm trying to get the answer to that question, we were also conducting a legitimate political poll about whether one of the people involved in this would be a legitimate candidate for president of the United States.
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These packets in front of us are the results of a truly exhaustive attempt relative to the just pure speculation that is surrounded whether Stephen A. Smith is actually going to do the thing that he's been talking about for months now and actually run for president. No.
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Welcome to the exploratory committee, Wyatt Zanac. You didn't know you were joining it, but you are absolutely part of it. No, but that's also bullshit.
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Well, the fight that they really are waging is in Washington, D.C., The president of the NCAA now is a guy named Charlie Baker, who used to be himself a politician. And he was chosen because he was seen to be better at the art of retail politics.
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Let's call it glad handing senators going to Congress and making an argument that actually what the NCAA needs to save college sports as you love them is an antitrust exemption.
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That is the Hail Mary, and I use that knowing all of the... What that means in the sports context, but in case you don't know, it means you're fucked and you have one last hope. And that last hope is allow college sports to regulate itself free from the regulations of government. You know, we don't need to act.
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What they're arguing is we should be treated as special, not as a normal business, but as a civic institution with priorities and principles that are so important that we should be able to operate effectively as a monopoly.
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Which is, of course, a funny thing to have to admit, finally, but they realize that that's the only hope left to prevent what is coming to them, which is capitalism tearing apart the principles and practices that they always claimed were sacred.
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Yeah, if the NCAA gets this Hail Mary to pass, which is the antitrust exemption, they would be allowed to dictate what amount of their revenue they want to share with athletes. They would allow...
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they would be allowed to have these players still be called student athletes, which means, by the way, they wouldn't be employees, which means, by the way, that they wouldn't have the rights that workers in America would otherwise get.
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And, you know, beyond that, I think they're still figuring it out, but they're really trying to say, allow us to dictate the terms of our own existence at a time when their existence is... Obviously in peril.
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So I don't think it would be rolled back because we've gone too far. And because the NCAA has already said that part of what they're willing to cooperate with is the notion of these deals being marketing deals.
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But marketing, Sean, is a half measure, right? It's a radical half measure because money was not allowed to go into players' pockets for the reasons that the NCAA has long argued about them being students and not employees. But the next step, the step that is really the existential crisis is what they call pay-to-play.
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Which means we are paying you because you are a person we want on our team, an employee we want on our team, and you are not paid for your image. You're paid for your performance. And that's the bridge they're trying not to cross. And so NIL could coexist in theory if this antitrust exemption is granted. But it's the bigger threat of pay to play that they're really trying to stave off.
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There is no indication so far that there would be support for this. Again, Congress seems pretty busy these days. I don't know if there is energy politically for it because the NCAA is so universally or near universally disliked. that I don't see this having the juice if you're a politician among any given constituency.
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Everybody, whether it's Alabama, whether it's Ohio, whether it's California, whether it's Florida, everybody, if you ask a college football fan, a college sports fan, has a tale of how the NCAA did them wrong. They don't poll well. And so when you see, by the way, conservative justices at the Supreme Court, like Brett Kavanaugh,
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really pillory the NCAA in the way that you'd imagine the most left-leaning judge would, it's incredibly revealing. There is bipartisan resentment of what the NCAA currently is.
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Yeah. I mean, look, if you're a fan of college sports and you can be a left leaning fan of the University of Alabama, there are lots of them out there. What you are realizing is as much as you believe in your principles of, OK, these kids are employees. Creating billion-dollar products should be paid as such.
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It is, in fact, criminal that they haven't been paid as such for decades now, over a century now. You're all so bummed that, okay, I'm not going to get the sport that I fell in love with. You know, entertainment is not the same as equity. That is something that we're going to have to reckon with if you love college sports.
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And meanwhile, you look across at, you know, who's on the other side of the aisle here and realize, wait a minute. Why is it that I'm in agreement with people that disagree with me on pretty much everything else? And so that's also something that people are going to have to get familiar with.
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There's an athlete, currently a high school prospect, unnamed, apparently getting an $8 million NIL deal.
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If you have the ability to take the long view of this, a longitudinal view of the evolution of college sports from the athlete perspective, you should be concerned, I would argue, that if college sports just becomes the minor leagues only, to a professional version of it, you are going to lose something that makes the product as compelling as it has been for over a century.
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There is something about the sales pitch of these are college students involved in an ancient tribal warfare against the community that also involves the weird, you know, fiction writing professor you had once. And the drunk guy doing a keg stand and all of that, right? You're at a college that is so central to why this has been popular. But at the same time...
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Obviously, the economy of all of this has been yearning to be made free. And so, yes, it is a good thing that you are trending towards college athletes being paid more and more what they are due. But there is a point at which...
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When your worth is also dictated by the demands of an audience, of a fan base that wants you to be a certain thing and not another, and that certain thing happens to be a fictionalized version of what the job of college athlete has always been, you're going to have to reckon with a bunch of people saying, this isn't the TV show I fell in love with.
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Today Explained is back and we're joined by Pablo Torre. The host of Pablo Torre finds out a show that is technically a sports show where I use journalism to solve mysteries, arguably.
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The NCAA, I think, has realized that they've already lost the philosophical argument that allowed the NCAA to regulate pay, which is to say restrict pay. And the argument that has been made literally at the highest court in the land successfully by people who sued the NCAA could not have been clearer.
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Sean, there just aren't many things that both sides of the political aisle agree on anymore. Maybe you hadn't heard America's a divided place. But you have at that Supreme Court in a 9-0 decision in the Alston verdict, as well as in every hearing you can check in on, you have Republicans and Democrats both wondering. The NCAA, what do you do here? And why do you need to be here anymore?
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And so when it comes to what the NCAA is allowing, they're really... They're really fighting for a purpose that doesn't really exist. So when you say, OK, but now the NCAA is allowing Larry Ellison, the billionaire Michigan booster, to be a billionaire Michigan booster on the books this time and fund these $10 million quarterback contracts.
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What they're really doing is saying, OK, I guess we can't stop this. And now we got to be the person who is basically signing off on it. Because that is the closest thing to regulation that they can be is basically rubber stamping as opposed to being sheriffs who are throwing people into the equivalent of college sports jail.