Pablo Torre

Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out.

I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

You can't, you know.

But I was trying to figure out, like, when did I first become aware of you and how was I most consuming you?

And the answer, despite you being a writer I've long enjoyed, much to the protestations of the coolest kids in college, like Chuck Costner,

Bill Simmons, the pod, you've been doing that for like 20 plus years now.

I've been on that show once in person, and it still comes up all of the time with strangers on the street.

It is intense.

It is intense.

And so the idea that you're here to talk about this book, which I enjoy, by the way.

Thank you.

Football.

This is you also talking about what's in the psychology of this audience that I think you felt most acutely by sports podcasting.

All of which is to say that this conversation we're having has been a long time coming.

And we have known each other from afar for a very, very long time through the world of sports and sports media.

But we never—we had plans, Chuck.

We had grand plans that— We did.

I blame you, honestly, if I may just immediately throw you under the bus.

Like, we had plans.

Yeah.