The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: Top 5 Athlete Weed Names In Sports History (feat. Pablo Torre)
Mon, 21 Apr 2025
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Chapter 1: What is the debate about the authenticity of wrestling?
But before we get to Pablo Zaslow, what is the issue? I feel like Mike Ryan and Chris Cody – Peers of yours, guys you grew up with, you guys were all doing the same jobs at the same time. I feel like they feel judged by you, and there's some judgment in general going on around here about WrestleMania nerds.
Well, okay, they feel that I'm judging them. What? Like, what's their thought?
I don't know what's happening here around the WrestleMania. I think you're a passionate WrestleMania person, are you not?
Oh, yes, love pro wrestling. Yes, I had a great weekend. It was WrestleMania weekend in the Zaslow Mansion. We all got together, all the Zaslow men, and we watched a lot of pro wrestling. How am I judging you?
Forgive me. I misunderstood the nature of the argument. Was there not somebody here who— Me, I'm judging them.
They're nerds.
Okay. I mean, get over it.
Seriously. Forgive me. It's not real. I mean—
Really? That's what we're doing in the year 2025? That's what we're doing? Do you think you just educated someone by telling us it's not real?
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Chapter 2: Who is Pablo Torre and what is his take on wrestling culture?
Pablo, you had trouble taking your glasses off there. I'm familiar with that particular fight through the headphones. What are your thoughts here as we bring you in as a skirmish breaks out between Zaslow and Stugatz about whether or not wrestling is fake?
Just realized that I've been shown this entire time struggling to both keep my glasses on and off and keep pace with whatever we're arguing about. Mike Schur is there or was there. Mike Schur also went. I think Mike Ryan and Mike Schur both went to Vegas for this thing. The coalition of wrestling fans always surprises me as someone who wasn't one of them.
I didn't know there were post-game pressers. I didn't know that was a thing. That's a thing? I've never seen a restaurant behind a microphone.
Chris Cody thought the coalition there was unnecessary. I'm just telling you, Pablo. It's a coalition of wrestling fans. Pablo, here's what's happened.
You've floated.
It's a sixth grade wrestling fan. You're sixth grade. Pablo, you have floated off into left field MSNBC land. You have no connection anymore.
It's a coalition of wrestling fans.
Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is coalition a sixth grade word at Levitard Show? it is. I think he might be right here. I think he might get it dead on and we're the idiots here.
I do like Chris, though, saying you're sixth grade, which is a fifth grade reference.
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Chapter 3: What are the funniest moments from Celebrity Jeopardy! discussed?
She realizes that after a career spent telling people, telling NFL coaches to go for it on fourth down, she punted. She just repeatedly punted throughout the game and didn't realize it until this taping we did in which she had to reckon with how unbelievably cosmically cursed it is to be her on NFL Live and her in this episode of Celebrity Jeopardy. It is remarkable and you cannot script it.
It's true.
Let's talk about the NBA from the weekend. Which of the things did you find most interesting if you had to choose only one?
The Nuggets, the Nuggets being the Clippers. I think that the whole experiment with we're going to fire our head coach, fire our GM, leave it in the hands of Nikola Jokic, whose on off numbers are incredible, has made me. more intrigued by this team than any one other team in this postseason, because all I want to do is get you put a little box of me in the bottom right hand corner of the screen.
I just want a little box with Mike Malone in it during these games. Like, what's it like to be him?
That's good television. What's it like to be him? I'd watch this. Let me ask you about the end of that game.
I want to box at NECO watching Laker games.
Okay, this is good stuff. Yes, basketball should evolve into that as a narrative-based sport that loves the stories and the drama. You're absolutely right. That's the next evolution. But walk me through the end of regulation. Nuggets, Clippers. If you guys did not see this, the way they guarded Westbrook was crazy. On average... 9.6 feet away from him. Go ahead.
You're the worst three-point shooter in the history of the league. You're aging poorly. Shoot all the threes you want. We're going to respect you less than Tony Allen, than anybody. Ten feet off him. End of the game situation, Stukac. What are the Nuggets going to do? Well, obviously, it's going to be Jokic and Murray. Jokic and Murray. Oh, no. Westbrook has the ball. Oh, no. Oh, my God.
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Chapter 4: What happened in the Nuggets vs Clippers NBA playoff game?
That has to be. One of the funniest.
Jesus Christ.
It's like a Polly Pocket.
It is. It's a running back. I thought that's what you were thinking of. Derek Henry is Trump's size and weight.
This photo has to be doctored. It's so ridiculous.
Billy did that on purpose. The reason he put his chair down that low. Look, do you guys understand that every single person who meets me thinks I'm 5'9"? Because my chair was down to sit next to my father? So, like, Billy just moved his chair down.
No, Dan is right. Billy came up with the idea to move both our chairs down and keep Derrick Henry's at the same height.
History is not going to know that context, and that was a terrible decision by Billy Gill.
He is, Derek Henry, he was listed last week by us at 6'3", 245 pounds, I believe. So, but Pablo, when it comes to what it is that you were watching, you were talking about Missoula, because this is a really unusual coach.
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Chapter 5: Why was Mike Malone fired and how does it relate to Russell Westbrook's play?
Eight seed.
now is a champion, and not just a champion, but he's a champion who behaves in, like, really unusual ways, unlike, and really young, and, I think, empirically strange.
Like, what is it? Incredibly strange.
I think the whole Celtic thing is strange. The reaction to them winning, people not taking them seriously, people not talking about Jason Tatum.
But in that town, when you're young, brilliant wizard, you get to be Theo Epstein. You get to be brilliant for all time. Are we saying that this is brilliant for all time? Or are we saying this is circuitry that we don't understand? And well, he's winning, so therefore he's our back?
I'm saying that he forced Jason Tatum to watch The Dark Knight with him and to focus on Heath Ledger's The Joker for inspiration. I just think there's a type of guy, and Missoula might even be just weirder than even this one data point, but there's a type of guy who isn't just like, wow, this guy's a really hardcore, high energy, or not even high energy, just all consuming coach guy.
He's the guy who thinks Heath Ledger's Joker is a hero. I don't know how often I can just keep repeating this, but that's literally insane. You're idolizing an insane person, which would make me think that you are also an insane person, just by the laws of, you know, logic.
But if you win, we'll assign winner to you. It doesn't matter how strange. Phil Jackson was strange. He won a lot. Belichick, strange, won a lot.
Oh, no, but what? No, no, wait a minute, though. What we won't do, though, if you give us... Totally strange. And we almost fired you because we all remember that this was very close to not being allowed to go even one more season. It wouldn't have been if the Celtics had indeed fired him. No one would have been surprised. No one.
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Chapter 6: What is unique about Jokic and his family in basketball?
You're pointed toward it. But before I get to the Lakers portion of this, when it comes to the Celtics, I do think. It becomes hard to make some of the appraisals because the starting point is all of these people seem to be better than I thought they were. All of them. It's across the roster, coaching, so I would have to concede I'm wrong about everything I thought.
And if I'm wrong about everything I thought, where do I put the credit? I know the strange coach. who's at the front of all of it. And I saw it when it wasn't every guy is better than all the others, that it needed to get rid of Marcus Smart and add a seven foot three Lego person to it. And now every bit of them is better than any of us thought they were.
And so the appraisal becomes, you can begrudgingly say, holy shit, they beat the respect out of me. I was wrong.
But the thing about, I mean, this is, it goes back to the Mike Malone in the little box thing though. Like we're testing actively what it means to not have a coach during a playoff run effectively. And you're right, Dan, like there is no real good statistic.
There's no good analytics for coaches because they exist in the realm of motivation because they exist in the realm of, hey, watch this movie scene. This is gonna inspire you because they exist in the realm of like press conference theater. And so, yes, it's very easy to ascribe everything we can't calculate to them
except for when, in the case of Denver, they're basically saying, eh, we don't really need this. And now you give it to Westbrook, which is how it is that the NBA is both a league of math and the opposite at the same time.
Mike Malone cam is such a good idea. What other cams like that could I give you for the playoffs that you guys would enjoy? That's number one. Yeah, but Mike Malone cam is really good. Taylor Jenkins is enjoying the holy hell out of yesterday, right?
No one wants a Taylor Jenkins cam.
But I'm saying just him just celebrating them down by 50.
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Chapter 7: Who is Joe Mazzulla and why is his coaching style considered unusual?
How about Riley during Warrior games? Oh, man. That's a good camp, too.
That might be second best. That's a good camp. I just like the idea of Taylor Jenkins being out at a bar mitzvah or an event and just rolls up on someone into the third quarter and Grizzlies are down by 50. So you score the game.
Do I have this wrong? I know I snuck it in there. Did you guys have any friends who are a little too eager to tell you today that the Pope had died overnight? A lot of them Jewish.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Tony got on me today. Ethan comes in, Jeremy and Zaz are like, hey, the Pope died. I'm like, okay.
Mike, the Pope died. Hey, look, man, it's the news. You know, when J.D. Vance kills the Pope, you got to tell someone about it.
Wait, didn't Peter King do this with Robin Williams? You guys remember that story? Peter King wrote that column where he talked about how he told a restaurant host that Robin Williams had died. This is like the lead of his column and took like very strange pleasure in telling him that Robin Williams had died in a particularly unfortunate way. Am I? How am I the only one who remembers this?
You're alone now on an island. You're going to have to swim us to safety. All right, let's have everyone jump on his back. We'll help you as much as we can, but you're unprepared for what it is that you're presently doing. If you have a story, we'll play with you, but you're going to have to find the details.
I got it. Get off me before I drown. All right, here we go. Milwaukee, dash, dash, asked restaurant host. colon god did you hear about robin williams question mark post no me died he killed himself end quote thought he would cry at si underscore peter king august 12 2014 huh what I'm the only one who remembers Peter King. Okay, very good. I'm just going to return to the bottom of the ocean now.
See you guys later. The King's disease.
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Chapter 8: How did the Celtics go from nearly firing their coach to winning the championship?
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