Pablo Torre Finds Out
Naming Neverland: Michael Jackson, Peter Pan and the Lawsuit That Never Was
Tue, 10 Dec 2024
What do a notorious $28 million home, a $450,000 oversized check presented to Princess Diana, and a $150,000 wire transfer for a witch doctor to curse Steven Spielberg... have in common? Correspondent Yourgo Artsitas wondered if Michael Jackson — rejected by Hollywood in his prime — made a deal with the palace, for the perpetual rights to re-brand himself as Peter Pan. The answer involves a Spider-Man tombstone, sacrificial cows, Rufio, the Bible, the very idea of innocence, and lots and lots of lawsuits. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the premise of the episode?
Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.
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We have been trying to figure out the best way to tell this particular story, Yorgo.
Yes, quite challenging, for sure.
I think it has to start with one of my favorite things, which is a video I had previously never seen before.
Well, you have to go through a significant rabbit hole to find it. And yeah, it has two of the biggest icons of the 20th century.
If the sales pitch on this episode is briefly, do you want to see a video of the biggest celebrity in the world in a way you've never seen them before? I'm like, okay, so let's hit play. So explain what we're seeing here.
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Chapter 2: How did Michael Jackson become associated with Peter Pan?
J.M.B., as we call him. He had this amazing flat overlooking the River Thames. So the play premieres in December 1904 and it truly is like nothing anybody's ever seen before. There's a moment in the play where...
Tinkerbell, you know, has taken the poison and is dying and her little light is fading. And Peter Pan turns to the audience and says, if you believe in fairies, you know, clap your hands, because that will save her life.
If you believe, wherever you are, clap your hands and she'll hear you. Clap! Clap! Clap!
And they didn't know whether the audience would respond to that. The audience instantly burst into a terrific round of clapping.
It was obvious from the first performance that, oh, this is going to be a thing. Everybody got the idea of it.
From there, it just went all around the world.
So all of this business is mushrooming. The money, right? So like J.M. Barrie is rolling in it, I presume, at this point.
Oh yeah, it just kept ascending. Like he met with Charlie Chaplin. I spent probably about four months going through all Barry's notebooks. It's like, you know, 50,000 notes and his handwriting is almost impossible to read, but you gradually get used to it. Und er hat auch einen Doku-Drama in den 70ern genannt, der The Lost Boys, und das war alles um J.M. Barrie.
Birkin hat sehr deutlich erklärt, wie viel er über die Finanzen geben konnte.
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