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Appearances
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
And in fact, he was involved with drugs and was frequently in trouble with the law.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
We put that all together, and these two young people are clearly not qualified to own a 55-foot boat.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
It's been two weeks since Tom and Jackie have disappeared. And the police go on board the well-deserved, which is moored exactly where it was left.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Jen's father brings back bleach and some bags, all they say to help clean their new boat. So logically, police ask him, does he know where Jennifer and Skyler are?
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
But the detectives have one more key piece of evidence they want Skyler to take a look at. It's this video. video of Jennifer and Skyler trying to take money out of the Hawks' account in Arizona.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
I met Tom's son, Ryan, in Newport Beach when we first started doing this story in 2009.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
The more you learned about Tom and Jackie, the more you liked them. They were rich in love, not so much in the pocketbook. They saved their money. They were frugal. They worked hard.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
The same day the Hawk's car is found down in Mexico, Skyler DeLeon is back in Newport Beach talking to the police.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
There goes Skylar, thinking he's a free man, but not for long. The very next day, Skylar is under arrest.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Jarvie, after he's freed from jail, keeps in contact with Skyler because he remembers being promised a big score.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Mexican police had interviewed Skylar DeLeon way back in 2003 about the murder of John Jarvie. But that case was totally unresolved until the Newport Beach case came along.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
She says she was there when Skyler bought the boat from the Hawks.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
It's hard to believe anybody could do such a terrible crime, especially a guy like mild-mannered Skyler DeLeon. And then, there's the motive.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Probably we had our roles reversed. Was she the brains in the family?
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
I interviewed Skyler DeLeon in jail in 2009. Just before the interview, Skyler was rushed to the hospital after an incident at the jail.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Have this been something you've been thinking about for a while? Yeah, for a long time. Tell me what's behind that.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
So then when you get to jail, why did you figure you weren't ever gonna get the surgery, so you might as well try it yourself?
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
I mean, should we walk away from this program, this interview, knowing only that you cold bloodedly killed three people?
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
So, Skyler DeLeon goes on trial in the fall of 2008, two years after his wife had been convicted. He's charged with murdering Tom and Jackie Hawks and also John Jarvie in Mexico.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
And then he had a friend who sexually abused you. Yes. So how does that terrible childhood have any relevance to the situation we're in today where three people are murdered at his hands?
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
There's only one problem with Skyler's defense. You have to believe him, and he's a proven liar.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
You told people you were a sniper. Oh, yes. You weren't, but you told people that. Yes. Give me a little insight of that. Skylar, why would you do those things?
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Skylar seemed happy to talk about his gender surgery, but he didn't want to talk about his murder victims. John Jarvie.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Skyler DeLeon is one of the most haunting figures I've ever interviewed. How he tied these poor people up in an anchor and threw them off the boat while they were still alive. It was just the worst thing I could ever think of. Should we walk away from this program, this interview, knowing only that you cold-bloodedly killed three people?
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
You're not going to poop on me, are you? The Hawks decided to downsize. They were going to go from that huge boat to a small boat, dock it in Mexico, get a little house there, and still be close enough to go see the grandson who lived in Arizona.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Ryan Hawk, who is the spokesman, of course, for the family, the son, told us that your apology is more about you. You're sorry that you got caught, but you're not really sorry about his family, his parents.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
That's what the former child actor got. A few months after Skylar's convicted, another accomplice, John F. Kennedy, he was the muscle. He's tried, convicted, and sentenced to death.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
And it's worth remembering, I know I do, that even as we were interviewing him, Schuyler was already planning how he could live with women in jail and not men. There's some talk about one of the reasons you wanted to do this, you wanted to be in the women's jail.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Don Treffin and Jim Hawks are looking for Jackie and Tom, so they go to Newport Beach. There, they find the well-deserved, but no couple.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Family and friends are already desperate. They start tracing and backtracking their steps to see what might have happened to them.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Jennifer has an explanation. She tells Jim that she and her husband, Skyler, bought the boat in cash, in full.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
Not surprisingly, Jim thought this might be a little suspicious. So he called Arizona to one of their friends.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
So Newport police start digging, looking at Skyler and Jennifer. And you know what? They find stuff, troubling stuff.
20/20
True Crime Vault: Overboard
That receipt on the boat, it's from Target and it has a bizarre shopping list on it.
20/20
Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 6: Latasha Norman
Take me back to November 2007. Tell me what happened.
20/20
The Lies Beneath
We wanted to ask you about the Sheriff's Office investigation into your missing husband. I have an attorney. You have an attorney? Yes.
20/20
Run, Run, Run
No, no, no. any enemies that you know of without Alan telling you or any said rumors that Alan's not a good guy or anything like that? Never. Okay. Never.
20/20
Run, Run, Run
And when she said that, what was her demeanor? She laughed. That catch you off guard?
48 Hours
Marriage Secrets
Did you really think that everybody could get along? That you could have a girlfriend and have a wife and everybody would be okay?
48 Hours
Marriage Secrets
I'm sure you've looked into what she was like in the days leading up to her death.
48 Hours
Marriage Secrets
How often were there collection agency calls? Regularly. And what did you do?
48 Hours
Marriage Secrets
You know the scuttlebutt is, Wesley burnt down the house, couldn't afford it anymore, set it on fire.
48 Hours
Marriage Secrets
No. Is there any chance that he's put one over on you? That you've fallen under Wesley's spell?
48 Hours
Marriage Secrets
Are you prepared if the verdict comes back guilty? Have you thought about that?
48 Hours
Crossfire at the Shaughnessys'
A woman officer put your mom on the phone, and then your mom told you what happened?
Behind the Bastards
Behind the Bastards Presents: Sixteenth Minute (of Fame)
Have you talked to your bishop or the church about anything? No. No? How come?
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
Was this after you went to prison? What was after when I went to prison? You had a million dollars in crypto? No, that was before. Well, I want to get into all that. Yeah, it's honestly a lot. Okay, well, this is good. I'm glad that your story is strange. Well, it's made for a movie.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
From breach exposures to info stealing malware infections, knowing what criminals know about you and your business is the first step to setting things right. Resetting stolen passwords and addressing the enterprise access points that have been stolen by malware helps you protect your business from ransomware, account takeovers, and online fraud.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
What the hell? This would be a strong no for me. I would be out. You can't attack the head of U.S.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
So as a teenager, what was your relationship with the government? Were you politically active? Was your dad politically active?
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
Well, I mean, just a random phone call is not going to be that big of a deal. But did you say, I've also got access... It was his personal cell phone number.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
So what happened to the police department? Now we got your motive. What did you do? Oh, well, we...
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
Yeah, let's talk about that then. So how'd you get those several million?
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
So John Holdren, I have written down here that someone tried to swat him.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
And then saying there's a violent incident here and then them coming to his house.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
There was an undercurrent of people online at the time that you were mixed up in that was also very involved in this sort of thing. Talking about Anonymous, for example. Anonymous was always calling out injustices of the world and threatening this and that because people were just being evil. And it felt like being part of that was the winning side.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
Well, let's talk about that. So how do you think the, uh, How did they catch you?
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
What happened? Did they knock on the door? Tell me about that incident. No, dude. They definitely don't knock on the door.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
They pulled you out of that room and someone else went in there to start taking your computer. I mean, they can't unplug it and take it. They know they've got to collect it.
Darknet Diaries
139: D3f4ult
So I just want to get a verbal confirmation for... I don't know, legal reasons or whatever. It's okay to record this call to use on the podcast Darknet Diaries. Is that okay with you?
Darknet Diaries
138: The Mimics of Punjab
You got to probably appreciate your cousin for helping you out. If you get in jail, he's going to send you $1,200. Yes, exactly.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
So find out who belongs to the footprints and you'll probably find your killer.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Your officers are told that there was some commotion or some noise at 1.30 in the morning.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
The neighbor across the street is hearing someone say, I'll never loan you money again.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
That must have really bothered you, the fact that that was the rumor around town.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
How do you go about that? What's your strategy? I was bold. So you just straight up asked her, were you having an affair with John Yelnik?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Had it gotten out around town at school that your dad was being looked at?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
What's happening in that house as you're all going through the house with these psychic sisters?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
I guess the question really is, at this point, were you becoming a little bit desperate or frustrated so maybe they could shed some light on it?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
So you were kind of placating them, that like, here, I'll do this for you.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
So you and your boyfriend were with John the weekend that he is accused of choking his son. Yeah. Did you see anything that would suggest that that could be true?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
So that must have been a real shock to the system, because you didn't know yet that a man's been stabbed to death right here.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Are you thinking right away that those footprints likely belonged to the killer?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Did she not send a flower? Did you talk to her? Did she give a reason? Nothing. Did his son come?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
People might wonder how a boy that young could come up with stories like that if they weren't true. Why would he...
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
That day in chambers, Did John's son actually say, you know what, it didn't happen?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
You're in charge of the investigation. You really cast a wide net. I did. Days turned into weeks. Weeks turned into months. No arrest.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
So this was irreversible damage, it must have felt like. Yes. Because how do you turn that ship around?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
So, is everyone kind of on the same page? The friends about who could have done this?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
So in a normal world, after this murder happened, Kevin Foley potentially could have been called to aid in the investigation.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
And yet they told you. It's not like you see on TV. Right. That's the line. Many, many times. It does seem outrageous that this person is not being looked at closer.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Did you quickly start to have an uneasy feeling about the thoroughness of this investigation?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Is there that kind of code of silence with some of them, like protect the brother at all costs kind of thing?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
You didn't need to be a detective to figure that out or find that photo.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
The vigil was to keep investigating? Was that the idea? To keep it out there?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
It's pretty admirable that she wasn't going to give up on justice for her cousin.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Why were Michelle and Kevin not taken down to the police department and questioned? like other people were.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Wasn't it true that the DNA really could have matched thousands of people? In the Blairsville, Pittsburgh area?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Take us to the moment when you find out that Kevin Foley has been arrested.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Did you quickly start to have an uneasy feeling about the thoroughness of this investigation?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
What are you thinking? I mean, he could be our prime suspect and I'm being told not to interview him.
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
Was he kind of old school, given his choice in TV, and was he kind of old-fashioned?
Dateline NBC
The Premonition
And he really liked working with kids. He loved working with kids. Working on kids' teeth.
Fresh Air
Trump's Foray Into Cryptocurrency
You wrote for Playboy for a while. I mean, in your book you say that Hugh Hefner was really a terrific editor, and I think you were surprised at that.
Fresh Air
Trump's Foray Into Cryptocurrency
Let's talk about some of the presidents who you've cartooned and who are featured in your book. You said that Kennedy's face changed so much when he was in office. I remember.
Fresh Air
Trump's Foray Into Cryptocurrency
Is it fun, if that's the right word, to have someone like Nixon in the White House for you as a cartoonist?
Fresh Air
Trump's Foray Into Cryptocurrency
Well, let's skip ahead to Reagan. Because of his Hollywood background, can you use that in your cartoons?
Fresh Air
Trump's Foray Into Cryptocurrency
Do you think he really believes that, or do you think he's a good enough actor to make us believe that he believes it?
Fresh Air
Comedian Ronny Chieng Didn't Tell His Parents He Got A 'Daily Show' Job
What did they end up doing?
Global News Podcast
Talks between Israel and Hamas continue in Qatar
The police, the Navy intercepted you?
Global News Podcast
Talks between Israel and Hamas continue in Qatar
They left you just adrift in the sea?
Global News Podcast
Talks between Israel and Hamas continue in Qatar
They wanted to drive you to the desert and leave you.
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
I can hear the smile on your face, Scott. Now you are able to physically touch things, people, just what that means to you. Talk us through shaking hands with the scientist, Lisa.
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
The Israeli documentation says that you were arrested for supporting terrorism. Do you know what that might refer to?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Have you supported terrorism or is there anything you think this could have said or written that might have been interpreted that way?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Let's talk a bit about the circumstances in which you were held. What was your detention like?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
How would you describe more generally the conditions in which you were held?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Can I put you what the Israeli Defence Forces have told us in a statement, not specific to your case, because obviously we haven't identified you to them, but talking more generally about the conditions. They say mistreatment of detainees during their detention is against the law and the IDF's orders and is therefore strictly prohibited.
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
The IDF rejects allegations of systemic abuse of detainees, including through violence or torture. Specific complaints regarding inappropriate behaviour by detention staff or inadequate conditions are referred to the relevant authorities for investigation, examination and are handled accordingly.
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
In certain cases, members of the detention staff have been dismissed for not behaving as expected and in accordance with the facility's procedures. Did you complain?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Have you changed your view in any way over the last 15, 16 months since October the 7th of the Hamas attacks?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Do you feel at all that maybe what Hamas did on October the 7th in its attacks, in the killings, in the sexual abuse, in the kidnappings and detention of Israelis, do you feel in any way that explains what happened in Gaza subsequently?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Right, can you just explain to me, what do you mean the killings were different?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Right, so you're saying the killings as reported and the footage that appeared on social media, you're saying that isn't correct?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
No kids were killed. I'm sorry, that is not correct. The United Nations has confirmed that children did die in the 7th of October attacks by Hamas, as did adults.
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Who's told you that no children died?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
Large numbers, and that has also been reported by the United Nations.
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
You're still relatively young, one day having a family of your own. Could you see a situation in which you or your children were able to live in peace with Israel, with Israelis, side by side?
Global News Podcast
Putin 'ready' to discuss Ukraine war with Trump
What can you explain to us in layman's terms about how this all works? It sounds wondrous.
Honestly with Bari Weiss
They Tortured Him for Years. Now They Rule Syria.
— In a matter of days, you have taken major cities. What's changed? How are you able to do this now?
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Yeah, Adam gets comments about that with his face. Like we get comments on our videos all the time where they're like, that brown guy looks real, but that other guy looks AI.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
It should be because AI people look perfect, you know, so I think you should take it as a compliment.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
You learn a lot about how stuff works.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Yeah, it starts to feel bad when you see all that stuff piling up in your closet.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Yeah, that transition is painful, but like you said, you can get to a better place on the other side. And I think there's a lot of technical details, but I think what it comes down to me is, you know, I sit at my desk and there's this thing sitting here and my whole life is coming through it. Like it's what helps me provide for my family. It connects me to the whole world, everything.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
And knowing how that thing works, like having deep customization of it and like feeling that harmony with it, like it's just good for your soul, like beyond any of the technical details. And kind of when you get there, it's hard to explain to other people, but you really feel a lot more connected with this really important thing that's, you know, sitting on your desk every day.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Yeah, I think beyond the fear that you described that people have, I actually think there's another dimension too. There's almost like a pride. I think there's like this narrow definition of productivity where they're like, if I have to learn something, That's not productive. And they kind of have this very narrow path of like, I'm someone that loves being productive. I'm all about business.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
That means I value these things. But a lot of this stuff, like you said, when you go and understand these underlying things, that does make you more productive in ways that are really hard to explain. You get advantages in other places. So yeah, I think for me, it's more like there's a weird pride with not knowing this stuff. I think that's like... hard to shake people up.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
But I think the reason we wanted to have you on here was you've been talking a lot more about Linux on the desktop, which I've been a lifelong Linux on desktop person. It's been like 12 years, I think, so far. But yeah, we just want to hear about... I guess, what got you into that? Is this a new thing for you? What's the story behind all this?
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Yeah, the point about the tools working, like the cloud tools, like also all those things being retained, that's a good one. So I work on infrastructure as code stuff and all of our tooling was developed for deploying cloud services, right? So there's good ideas there, like declaratively defining config, like applying that. And we realized the other day,
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
we we can just point all the same stuff to like a docker daemon running on a machine and it all works exactly the same so all the great benefits that we kind of invented in the cloud uh you can just use that same model uh anywhere so yeah it's quite a different experience and i also posted the other day i was remembering
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
the first my first company i actually launched it off my laptop like it was i even kind of it was like a it was wi-fi it was like a wi-fi laptop right and this was like in 2010 uh eventually we moved that to servers in my parents basement like literally in my parents basement and we sold the company at that point and i remember like the first thing they did they were like yeah we need you guys to move that off of there it's probably not secure but i actually did build and sell a company that
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Love it. Yeah. It was dusty down there. Those servers are still there, too. I could probably still use them. But yeah, like, you know, I did build and sell a company that way. It's a lot better these days to do something like that, though.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
I mean, that resonates a lot with me. The work that we do is... Some of these resellers you're talking about, sometimes they do come up with cool ways to deploy stuff or they come with stuff that we wouldn't have thought of. And what we do is we take it and we just make it open source so that people can use it wherever they need to. So...
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
There's like a it's a little antagonistic, but there's also like a like a harmony to it as well. Yeah, I think all capitalism, the idea of capitalism is there's no permanence. If you have permanence, it doesn't work. You need things to get destroyed. Yes. Occasionally. Yes. And you can't be a capitalist if you don't believe in that.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Yeah. So the one thing I will say I kind of disagree a little bit is I think if you are going to use a cloud, if you're going to use one of the public clouds,
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
if you try to use it in a way where you're just trying to rent servers you're gonna have a horrible experience like it's way too expensive to do that if your approach is uh i'm renting servers i'm gonna run my own software just don't use the cloud at all just go to like you said that's stuff that you guys are using um go directly to data centers that offer renting the hardware directly you can have a much better experience
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
If you are going to use a cloud, you might as well, like, just commit to something, like, commit to using it properly. And then, yeah, you can use the services, high-level services. They're more expensive, but at least you get the benefit. I think it's this middle ground where you, like, try to use a cloud in this agnostic way. Like, that's just never going to work out at all.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
So whatever model clicks for you, like... If you like console servers, just go buy them directly. It's probably at least 10x cheaper, if not more.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
I actually wouldn't count both of those because I guess what I'm talking. So those are like just shitty repackaging of RDS. Stuff that you can just run directly, right?
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
where like that that's fixable yeah yeah so i i think where we can agree on is uh like i'm still gonna like i use the cloud heavily like clicks for me um but what i don't like is the people that are like quote unquote on that side don't know how to do the other thing so it's just like i can't really trust your opinion even though you're like on this side because
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
you're doing it out of not knowing the other side. Like I've always had a home lab that I managed, uh, would run whatever, like I would use to expand my old, like Kubernetes with nomad, like all the different orchestration stuff. Um, so I've seen how that stuff has progressed and I, I enjoy it.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Like I said, just like with my, with my desktop, it's, it's really good when you like curate, that's a garden almost, um, running all like all the services that power my family stuff. Um, So I have a sense of that. So when I choose stuff, when I'm choosing the cloud, I'm choosing it with like awareness of what I'm trading off and what I'm balancing.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
So I have a quick question for you. So this is a thought I had the other day because I feel a lot of the same things you're talking about where I'm like, people these days don't even know how to X. Yes, I am. And you remember when we were young, people would say that to us. So... Like, are we just doomed to repeat this? Is this actually going to change? Is it actually different this time?
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Sometimes these big data centers, there's only like there's only like two people that are there like on call. Yeah, it's not even like a whole team or anything.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
You guys have equal amounts of gray in your beard. I'm the one that's still all black.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
Yeah, I mean, it's just like your transition to Linux. It was painful. You didn't know that it could be better, but eventually you kind of got there.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
So one last thing I have to plug this because you mentioned you like to ease. You're like blown away by like how crazy to get. Have you seen what we've done with our coffee shop? I have not. So we built a coffee shop that's served entirely over SSH. So if you do SSH terminal dot shop, that's awesome. You get like a full coffee buying. You can literally buy coffee and it shows up at your house.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
I don't drink coffee either, but I sell it.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
uh but it was fun because so i love it adam worked on a lot of the like the front end for it but it was cool because it's a very constrained ui you can't have like different font sizes you can only do like colors and stuff but the constraints kind of breed like a lot of cool stuff and build yeah constraints are the best there's like amazing tui tools that i've also been going deeper and i've built a
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
I love it. Yeah, it's wild. Like it's better UX than a lot of the more powerful, you know, environments that we have UI in.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
There we go. Everyone's going to be running their own servers and we're only going to be serving up 2Es over SSH. That's the future. Yeah. All right.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
It was funny. Appreciate it. All right.
How About Tomorrow?
DHH Talks Apple, Linux, and Running Servers
And all the historical data you have. It's like impossible to switch. All the data was embedded with it.
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Daniel Boone, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington
Tell us a little bit about Nancy Ward, when she lived, what the state of the Cherokee Nation was doing during that time, and how she was seen amongst her contemporaries.
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Daniel Boone, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington
So she had ties with Daniel Boone? Oh, yes.
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Daniel Boone, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington
She was connected with all these presidents and famous people. Well, how did she get that much stature?
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Meeting Mother Teresa
Wow. It's one thing to know about it, but you're right. It's another thing to experience it. Yes. Yeah. Now you mentioned at the beginning that your parents didn't have life insurance, didn't have insurance. And this show is by no means even aware a life insurance company. Is it really pushing life insurance?
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Meeting Mother Teresa
I've seen being in the business now, how having this protection has helped so many families and not burden the kids. number and the spouse when something happens. But what's been your experience with life insurance and what you've seen over the years with your employees and even the people that you serve?
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Call From JFK / Riding Shotgun with an Oscar
Do you have any personal stories of your time with the Kennedys that really struck a chord with you?
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Call From JFK / Riding Shotgun with an Oscar
Was there a time that there was a personal accomplishment that you did that made you feel like, yes, I honor my father. I was blessed to be in that situation. But you know what? I'm pretty proud of myself, too.
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Uncovering a Secret Family
You've been doing this for a bit now, and is there a couple success stories or one that comes to the top of your mind of anybody that really touched your heart, that really showed the impact of you preserving these memories?
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Uncovering a Secret Family
He had another family. So in other words, he was kind of married to two people or what?
Let's Talk Legacy
CLIP: Uncovering a Secret Family
What was that experience like for them? Did they ever share that with you? Have you ever gotten into that a little bit with them?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
What do you think? Like whatever donations you get. Okay.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So you started that institute at the end of 2017.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Well, we in Europe, we are used to be a bit behind. But if I can recall 2016, there was no discussion about AI in Europe at all. And so it's quite interesting to see that Obama has actually, you know, decided that it's finally time to do something about this topic nobody has ever really talked about.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
We're going to talk a lot about Europe today as well. But my question is, can you describe what kind of discussions were going on 10 years ago in American society that this has come up to be something of a topic for the near future, which actually became a big one. Where did this discussion take place?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
You just got the Nobel Prize in physics, interestingly enough.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Yeah, because there's no computer Nobel Prize.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
I think deep learning was just the technology that perfectly served their current beliefs in that they have to work on the data, that they have to build up algorithms to somehow predict your personal future and be there with an ad before you even know it. And we've seen this everywhere.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
as an ad everywhere and we've also seen it in political influence as we've seen in the Brexit decision and also in the elections where we heard there's going to be one in the near future as well in the US that might be influenced as well let me check my calendar I mean I think we can like peel back also just this concept of like what is an advertisement right
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Before we dig more into the Signal project, which in itself I think is quite interesting, we'd like to understand how did you get there, where you are right now? So what was your introduction into this digital world? When did it start?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Was Google still running under the motto of don't be evil at the time?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
It was kind of the end of it, wasn't it?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
And like for that matter much more than developers.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
energy and solidarity already at that point and then how many percent of the google employees would you say have at one point taken part in this i don't know we were really careful not to keep lists yeah i mean you can dream up a number now you know i i
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So did Google then still love you at that point?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
I mean, it leads to an interesting point because I would say looking from the other side of the ocean, I think to us, this whole tech scene the startups, the new stuff, the internet, everything that has developed in the last 20 years or so always had this liberal touch to it. It felt as if it was mostly about an
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
open world loving agenda and it's good for everybody and google's kind of tuned in with their motto and some other companies did as well some not so much but it was always this this feeling that this is uh that the liberal thinking is at the core of everything that is driving the internet forward
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
and I think we stopped thinking that now because it looks totally different right now currently we have more the feeling that it's turned into a total right wing thing apocalypse apocalypse somehow and i haven't really seen this coming can you explain what happened to this tech scene what what happened i well you know i think about post 9-11 and a lot of the fights over surveillance and tech
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Logbuch Netzpolitik number 503 from October 16, 2024. And you will have noticed it. Wir sprechen eine andere Sprache. Wir sprechen eine andere Sprache heute, weil wir haben heute einen Gast und das ist dann ein Gespräch, was wir heute auf Englisch führen wollen.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
I heard some other things, but I think one of the problems was that Twitter didn't see itself as a messaging platform, which was probably a mistake from their point of view.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
I find it quite interesting how encryption as a topic has changed over time. It's just more or less 10 years ago that Facebook actually changed to HTTPS on their website by default. And So there was a time not so long ago, you know, where most of the data was flowing around on the internet, mostly unencrypted.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
And that although there was these already mentioned crypto wars, you know, about general encryption, but it was also always for nerds and for specific applications. Then it also got this nice paint with this whole cryptocurrency thing
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
craze going uh on which made it somehow popular and almost took the word away we're so wrestling and uh yeah and it was also the rise of of of uh encrypted messaging that was really giving uh it's a new fuel so single was in the middle of all of this as we already heard So I'd like to focus on Signal for a moment as an organization that you now head.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
What's your understanding of what Signal is and what it's not and how the organization deals with it?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Well, there's still ICQ and AIM, I think, at the time.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Do people in the EU understand what you're talking about if you are offering these technical explanations why it's complicated? Because we have the impression that they don't really get it.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Which brings me to an interesting point because we are actually very interested in your view as an American, knowing how things work on that continent. What's your impression of how Europe deals with tech, these new technologies coming up and how it impacts society? Can you just give me a feeling for how this is to you? In a good way, in a bad way, whatever you feel, just to…
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
I'm just focusing on what you can probably match to Europe in general or at least to the kind of discussions you have on a political level when you face EU institutions.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Which five platforms would you... This is what's going to happen.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So you're not talking about these big tech... Okay, you're focusing on cloud, not so much on the social media aspect.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Back to the magical thinking of Europe.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
But apart from the magical thinking, is there anything else you would stick to in Europe?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Yeah, the GDPR is probably a German thing somehow in its core. For sure. So how does this affect the talk to European politicians and how do you see the trends in regulations and trying to apply new laws and regulations towards this whole tech industry?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So I read it as you think that the European positions might be slightly under-informed and probably not well thought out in the current situation? Yeah.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Let's stick to this topic because it's still an ongoing battle right now. We are more or less talking about this in every of our shows. And yeah, it's still totally unclear what's going to come out of this. How do you see this discussion evolve?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
But how do you deal with it? If you say the strength of your argument is not enough?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So basically the discussion is led by pointing the other side to the infeasibility of the approach.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Then they will say, but we have to do something.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
They might only have two people, but at some point in time, they might have doubled by adding another one.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Okay, leaving out Signal completely now, what do you think happened? Pavel Dorf was put into custody, he's now free on bail and Franz talked to him.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So does Signal get these requests too?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So Cigna as a company, how does it work? I mean... It's a non-profit. Yeah.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
And how do you get your talent? How do you get people to work for Signal?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So the last place in tech where people are actually happy?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
That sounds like a quick upgrade from a customer support person to me. So you mentioned MLab, which stands for measurement lab.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
And you mean not only a model for other communication companies, but also a model for any kind of technology company?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
That's not what I meant. I mean, I understood you that you think that the... modus operandi of Signal as a company might be something that other companies could also leverage and do. It's not only limited to some much needed devices.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Can you explain what this is all about and how it came alive and why you were involved?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
It does, but it's not turned on by default now.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
What would you say is the dividing line right now between useful applications for machine learning, expert systems, AI stuff and the hype?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
In a computer science-y way. I mean, really like making applications possible that haven't been before that actually do useful stuff to people or society.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Yeah, you're going right into surveillance capitalism again. Yeah, no, well, that's my, I'm really good at making that turn. I'm looking for a rosy outlook into the future, like hope. Anything in store?
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
So for practical reasons, you had unlimited bandwidth and zero latency to everywhere.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
Old school ideological commitment. You don't sound like a book nerd now. You've become a real network nerd.
Logbuch:Netzpolitik
LNP504 The politics of intellectual shame
It's like a real... I read the fucking manual.
Lords of Death
6 | Angel of Death
Now, do you think that he was the ringleader of that situation or do you think that he was just more along for the ride?
PBD Podcast
ABC Pays Trump $15M, January 6 Cover Up, Trudeau To Resign, NJ Drone Theories | PBD Podcast | Ep. 521
You're shaming me for my political choices. I'm asking you a question about why you endorse someone who's been found liable for rape.
PBD Podcast
ABC Pays Trump $15M, January 6 Cover Up, Trudeau To Resign, NJ Drone Theories | PBD Podcast | Ep. 521
You've repeated that again and again and again.
PBD Podcast
ABC Pays Trump $15M, January 6 Cover Up, Trudeau To Resign, NJ Drone Theories | PBD Podcast | Ep. 521
I mean, you keep saying I'm shaming you.
PBD Podcast
ABC Pays Trump $15M, January 6 Cover Up, Trudeau To Resign, NJ Drone Theories | PBD Podcast | Ep. 521
How is the question asking about a presidential candidate?
PBD Podcast
Trump Wants The Panama Canal & Greenland, NYC Subway Fire, Newsom Confronted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 525
We shouldn't doing enough to determine whether the money that's being plowed into homelessness is being well spent.
PBD Podcast
Trump Wants The Panama Canal & Greenland, NYC Subway Fire, Newsom Confronted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 525
I'm sorry, Governor, I didn't hear responses to either of those questions. Do you acknowledge whether the money that the state isn't doing enough to ensure that the money is being well spent?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
823. Andy & DJ CTI: Mysterious Drones Spotted Over New Jersey, Daniel Penny Acquitted & Luigi Mangiones' Fatal Shooting Of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson
What in you caused you to want to get involved?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
823. Andy & DJ CTI: Mysterious Drones Spotted Over New Jersey, Daniel Penny Acquitted & Luigi Mangiones' Fatal Shooting Of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson
The guard makes us turn the camera off while he shoots the lock off the cell door. Press up. We go in to get a closer look. It's still not clear if there is something under the blanket. Oh, it moved. Is there someone there? Hello?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
823. Andy & DJ CTI: Mysterious Drones Spotted Over New Jersey, Daniel Penny Acquitted & Luigi Mangiones' Fatal Shooting Of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson
Or is it just a blanket?
REAL AF with Andy Frisella
823. Andy & DJ CTI: Mysterious Drones Spotted Over New Jersey, Daniel Penny Acquitted & Luigi Mangiones' Fatal Shooting Of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson
We're going to save you from all your oppression.
Search Engine
The End
Have you read it? about the explorers who went out here first, like in the 1880s and stuff?
Search Engine
The End
Right, which slightly incentivizes some of us in the world to just not do very much good.
Search Engine
The End
Have there been times, as a person who has gradually become more and more excited about cryptocurrency, are there moments you have where you just feel conflicted, like this sector is not great for the climate? Yes, constantly.
Search Engine
The End
It's like marble with a crack in it. You like see the section that's cut out like a slice of wedding cake.
Search Engine
The End
I feel like I'm going to spend this weekend talking to people that want to convince people like you to be more worried, basically.
Serialously with Annie Elise
227: WARNING: Canadian Version of Chris Watts | The Case of Robert Leeming
How do you feel about this whole thing? Terrible.
Serialously with Annie Elise
227: WARNING: Canadian Version of Chris Watts | The Case of Robert Leeming
But to know the police are calling this a homicide, to know that someone has killed a 22-month-old child.
Serialously with Annie Elise
227: WARNING: Canadian Version of Chris Watts | The Case of Robert Leeming
But you're saying that is not you?
Serialously with Annie Elise
227: WARNING: Canadian Version of Chris Watts | The Case of Robert Leeming
But isn't it hard to believe that somebody would kill them?
Serialously with Annie Elise
227: WARNING: Canadian Version of Chris Watts | The Case of Robert Leeming
But isn't it hard to believe that somebody would kill them?
Serialously with Annie Elise
227: WARNING: Canadian Version of Chris Watts | The Case of Robert Leeming
But you're saying that is not you.
Serialously with Annie Elise
223: The Truth About Hannah Kobayashi: Love Triangle Scam, She's Refusing to Leave Mexico & The Shocking Twist
And Ryan, if you could talk to her, if she could see this message from you, if she could see some of your appearances, what would be your message to her?
Serialously with Annie Elise
223: The Truth About Hannah Kobayashi: Love Triangle Scam, She's Refusing to Leave Mexico & The Shocking Twist
And what is she like as a person?
Serialously with Annie Elise
223: The Truth About Hannah Kobayashi: Love Triangle Scam, She's Refusing to Leave Mexico & The Shocking Twist
And Dog, you actually knew Hannah, which I kind of wondered about because you're from Hawaii. Hannah's from Hawaii. I know you've got a lot of connections there. What do you know about her?
Serialously with Annie Elise
223: The Truth About Hannah Kobayashi: Love Triangle Scam, She's Refusing to Leave Mexico & The Shocking Twist
I'm joined now by Hannah's sister, Sydney Kobayashi, and the family's attorney, who's a very familiar face on this program, Sarah Azari, NewsNation's legal analyst. Thank you to both of you. Sydney, I want to begin with you. And first of all, I'm just really sorry that You and your family are going through what you're going through. I cannot imagine what it's like.
Serialously with Annie Elise
223: The Truth About Hannah Kobayashi: Love Triangle Scam, She's Refusing to Leave Mexico & The Shocking Twist
And then to sort of see this news conference, do you have any idea why Hannah is staying silent so long?
Serialously with Annie Elise
223: The Truth About Hannah Kobayashi: Love Triangle Scam, She's Refusing to Leave Mexico & The Shocking Twist
So, Sydney, we all learned yesterday with the news conference that Hannah had crossed on foot, seemingly by herself of her own volition, into Mexico. When did you and the family learn about that detail?
Serialously with Annie Elise
223: The Truth About Hannah Kobayashi: Love Triangle Scam, She's Refusing to Leave Mexico & The Shocking Twist
Wow, you weren't given any advance notice?
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
How many times had you entered the contest before? I'm just curious. Well, I started competing in 2006. Tell us a little bit about how did you develop the speech and when did you start to tell that story?
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
What are some of the other, were there any big lessons that you learned in terms of specific practical presentation skills?
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
So repetition, props, and allowing for a pull message instead of a push message. How do you create a pull message instead of a push message?
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
Hmm. So, uh, last little question, you know, after you win the world championship of public speaking, what's next?
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
He is the 2014 World Champion of Public Speaking for Toastmasters International. Dhananjaya Hedyarachi. He is awesome. He's a TEDx speaker and is among a handful of human resource development consultants in the Asia-Pacific region that specializes in performance prediction. Dhananjaya, thank you for being with us. It's a pleasure to be on board.
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
Wow. Dhananjaya Hedyarachi. Thanks for being on the show.
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
Can you just talk to us a little bit about what is it like competing at the World Championship of Public Speaking?
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: I See Something, with Dananjaya Hettiarachchi (Speaking, Storytelling, Success, Personal Development)
That's awesome. And I want to apologize. It's going to be a little fuzzy because Dhananjaya is in Sri Lanka. And so we're catching him on Skype. So let me ask you this question. What do you think is the hardest part of being in the contest specifically?
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
Absolutely. So total shift of gears.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
What's next? As you look to the future, where do we go from here?
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
I really don't say this lightly, but I think it's super inspiring to see the path you've paved. I mean, you're wise beyond your years.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
I really appreciate you being here. Thank you very much. Of course. Thank you for having me. I appreciate you all.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
Okay, so I've got to put this in perspective. You're 12.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
That's a legit thing to like. When I was 12 years old, I was worried about making sure I had enough hairspray for my bangs, got braces in the seventh grade. Who liked who? Where did this come from? Just talk to me about that.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
When was your first like, hey, I'm on the cusp of making some major histories?
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
And I think to your point, hardware available to the masses.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
Here you are today, co-founder of your own social media music management firm. You are young.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
Oh my gosh. Okay. So do you consider yourself more of an artist or more of a business person?
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
So this whole genre of business is relatively new. I mean, what is it, 20 years old, maybe?
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
So knowing now all the platforms that we have, what advice do you give to folks that say, hey, now, I mean, let's say it's been 20 years. I mean, now it's flooded. So how do you differentiate yourself if you were just now coming up into it?
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
That's great counsel. So running your company, what are some of the business things that you wish you knew that you had to learn the hard way?
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
Well, hey, I really appreciate you being here. Of course. So you obviously have such an incredible background, especially for being, and I'm just going to say it, so young. So I kind of want to start there. One of the things I read about your background is that when you were 12, you had 10,000 followers to a AOL account for the Backstreet Boys.
The Action Catalyst
Crowd Surfing, with Cassie Petrey (Social Media, Music, Marketing, Business)
Thank you, by the way, for the vulnerability of sharing that. Of course. One of the things I think you really hit the nail on the head with is the people side of the business. What are some of the resources that you've leaned on to help develop your leadership and management styles?
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: Fascination, Persuasion and Captivation, with Sally Hogshead (Author, Speaker, Advertising, Success)
Well, and one of the things, I've heard you say this before, you say you don't learn how to be fascinating, you unlearn how to be boring.
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: Fascination, Persuasion and Captivation, with Sally Hogshead (Author, Speaker, Advertising, Success)
Larry Wingate one time said, you know, the whole challenge of the speaking profession is to discover your uniqueness and exploit it in the service of others.
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: Fascination, Persuasion and Captivation, with Sally Hogshead (Author, Speaker, Advertising, Success)
So the new book is called How the World Sees You. And this thing is like, it is awesome.
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: Fascination, Persuasion and Captivation, with Sally Hogshead (Author, Speaker, Advertising, Success)
Such an exciting show for you today. Sally Hogshead is a Hall of Fame speaker and her first book was called Fascinate, Your Seven Triggers to Persuasion and Captivation. And she is an expert in branding, in personal branding, and particularly the world's leading expert on fascination. And she's made a few minutes to be with us here. Sally, thank you for joining us.
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: Fascination, Persuasion and Captivation, with Sally Hogshead (Author, Speaker, Advertising, Success)
Sally, this is awesome. I mean, it's fascinating. I mean, to use your term. So, Sally, you are just you are amazing.
The Action Catalyst
REMASTERED: Fascination, Persuasion and Captivation, with Sally Hogshead (Author, Speaker, Advertising, Success)
Can you just give us like a quick rundown of what Fascinate is?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Keep Your Small Business On The Right Side of The Law
Let's say I am a small business owner. Five things that I should have to protect my business, my assets. I come to you, hey, I'm starting this business where I've got it up and running. We're a couple million in revenue. What do I absolutely got to do?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Find a Problem and Own It
Thank you, by the way, for the vulnerability of sharing that. Of course.
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Find a Problem and Own It
That's great counsel. So running your company, what are some of the business things that you wish you knew that you had to learn the hard way?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Speaking Spontaneously, Exiting Small Talk, Answers When You Haven’t Got An Answer
OK, second part of that. How do you answer a question that you don't have an answer for?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Winning "The Apprentice" / "The Mega-Brands That Built America"
You were the winner of season one of The Apprentice, which maybe people don't remember was an absolute phenomenon when it was on the air. What was it like to suddenly be in the public eye and what are some of the habits and practices that set you apart from your peers and competitors and ultimately helped you win?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Winning "The Apprentice" / "The Mega-Brands That Built America"
Well, continuing that long television career, you're now featured on the mega brands that built America airing on the History Channel, which is really entertaining. Look into the early innovations in some of the biggest businesses of our time. Do you have a favorite episode or one that surprised you the most?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Bullet Holes, KGB, and Fighting Stereotypes
Yeah. The injection of entrepreneurial spirit that coming to the US and having that experience can change a country. Absolutely. What are some of the bigger stereotypes that you've seen broken down because of the nature of hosting and as a result of your work?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Bullet Holes, KGB, and Fighting Stereotypes
It was a true, pure, real exchange experience for these kids. It also plays a massive role in creating cultural relationships for countries.
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Mastering Impact, Focus, Vision, Belief, Truth, and Time
More recently through COVID and in these last few years, what are some lessons that you've taken back and thought about the work that you wrote in Redefining Possible and new applications, new inspirations that you've had?
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Mastering Impact, Focus, Vision, Belief, Truth, and Time
I always get in a place where I question whether I'll still think what I'm putting down is important. You now have this perspective, I guess, coming back and adding some highlights to the book. When you wrote it, I guess, how did you know that this was going to be something that you'd read again five years later and go, oh, yes, I still believe these things. It's still important to me.
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Mastering Impact, Focus, Vision, Belief, Truth, and Time
A hundred percent. Yeah. I love that. Who did you write this book for? Who are the people that are going to pick this up, read it and go, gosh, that's exactly what I needed.
The Action Catalyst
CLIP: Mastering Impact, Focus, Vision, Belief, Truth, and Time
Of some of the principles that you bring up, redefining possible, what's another one, I guess, that you're really have been focused on here over the last year or two?
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What feedback or advice would you give a young version of yourself? Like a 21-year-old Luis that's coming out. What do you think that 21-year-old version of you would need to hear from yourself today?
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I'm always intrigued by companies that are able to create that culture.
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You know, a lot of folks will, you know, ask, where do I build my community?
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Based on your initial schedule, that today, roundups of criminal illegal aliens in the process of deporting them would begin. That seems to have been put on hold for a little while. When can we expect that to happen? Where will it begin?
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Do you plan on supporting the speaker in January?
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The other thing that I put in the book that I recommended the boss to do hits on this. We need a 24-7 declassification office. Yes. Rolling papers out 24-7. And not just like JFK and not just 9-11. You're talking to the guy that's read the whole 9-11 report and those seven pages that people talk about.
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But I believe as like the guy who is an intel guy who believes wholeheartedly in the classified system of information... I believe that it has been over-abused by these corrupt officials in government to hide the truth and enact more corrupt activities. So what I told the boss was like, I don't care what you call it, truth and reconciliation, whatever, come up with a better name.
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But every agency and department literally submits all of their documentation. And I believe you could get half out. Half. I still think the other half needs to remain classified. I'll always argue that it does serve a purpose. But like you're seeing in these documents in the Jack Smith case, they're just redacting stuff that they lied about, that they broke the law.
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There were some anti-Trump sentiments going on among GOP voters during his first term. What does it look like now for his second?
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Should senators who oppose your nominees, your cabinet nominees, should they be primaries?
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You obviously give a long leash to your fighters about what they can say when they are up there with a UFC microphone and you are getting into territory of homophobia, transphobia.
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I was asking that question. I'll move on, though.
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Thank you, PhD Weight Loss.
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Do you think there should be more than two genders in America?
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Do you disagree with that?
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Donald Trump says there's male and female.
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First day on the job, President Trump signed an executive order, you know, the U.S. government only recognizing two genders, male, female. They're unchangeable. You know, if elected as prime minister, is that something that you're going to kind of walk in line with? Or what are your feelings on that executive order?
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Me personally? I'm just asking more so if you're in line with what he is saying. Do you agree with what he's saying? Is that something that you would be lockstep with if elected as prime minister?
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Well, there's... Personally, I am a man. I am, as people who say, a cis man. There are people there who, you know, they say they're gender neutral. You are a man, yes. There are people out there who say they're gender neutral.
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Moment 193: Hard Work Doesn't Equal Success…Try This Instead...: Former Netflix CEO
What about hard work? Does it matter?
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Moment 193: Hard Work Doesn't Equal Success…Try This Instead...: Former Netflix CEO
And in that analogy of running for the plane is the key thing to have just better prepared further upstream. I, you know, if we stick to the analogy, just have made a better decision to leave the house at a better time.
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Moment 193: Hard Work Doesn't Equal Success…Try This Instead...: Former Netflix CEO
Some things do. And some of the small things that made a difference to your business seem to have been discovered through a process of sort of experimentation and failure. When I look back through your story, you're trying to get sort of Netflix to work and get product market fit. You referenced it a second ago, this idea of, no late fees seemed to be quite pivotal.
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Moment 193: Hard Work Doesn't Equal Success…Try This Instead...: Former Netflix CEO
An idea you had to remove the late fees. I find this interesting because there's going to be entrepreneurs that build their idea and then bang their head against the wall and it doesn't work. And then I hear so often, whether it's from Brian Chesky at Airbnb or from someone else, Daniel at Spotify, that there seemed to be this one change that was quite pivotal to their business at some point.
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Moment 193: Hard Work Doesn't Equal Success…Try This Instead...: Former Netflix CEO
So my question becomes like, how do I know? How do I find the thing? So can you explain to me why this no late fees thing and any of these other small changes that changed the game and what was the system that led you to them?
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Moment 193: Hard Work Doesn't Equal Success…Try This Instead...: Former Netflix CEO
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
And then that second step. So now I'm clear. I'm trying not to do this book because this particular chapter, I just don't feel that competent on. I don't feel like I've researched it. It's making my brain feel a bit hot thinking about it. I reframe it and go, okay, so I've understood it now. Then what do I do?
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
Start processing it. Using the book example. I've hit chapter 12 and I'm struggling with this chapter. Right.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
So what happens then? So I've compartmentalized it. I'm writing my book. I'm on chapter 12. I've got a bunch of worries pop in. I'm scheduling that for later. Step three?
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
You and me both.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
Someone's also going to say, listen, you've got 4G internet on your phone. You've got cellular internet. So you can just go on.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
And more than anything, it's a statement you're making to you and everyone in your social environment that at 10 p.m. is the shutoff time. Whether people adhere to that, as you say, there's ways to circumnavigate that. But it's the statement of having that shutoff time.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
Willpower is not enough. This is maybe the most fascinating study I read of all of them because it really made me ponder and it kind of disrupted my thinking on willpower and strength and mental strength and motivation. And it's probably a huge reason why 91% of people don't stick to their resolutions. Dozens of studies show that willpower is the single most important habit for individual success.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
And this is true. But for a long time, people thought that willpower is a skill that you could develop and that therefore remains constant forever. Until Mark Muravan, a PhD scientist, argued that if willpower is a skill, then why does it not remain constant throughout the whole day or even throughout the whole week? Why does willpower seem to fluctuate?
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
He conducted an experiment to prove that willpower, like all of the muscles in our body, gets exhausted the more we use it throughout the day. In his lab, he did a fairly simple thing. He set up one bowl of freshly baked cookies, and then he set up another bowl of radishes. And listen, everybody hates radishes, including me. Well, you know. Put them up, chop them up, put them in a salad.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
Maybe I don't hate them. They're good for you. But anyway, in this example, most people would prefer hot, delicious cookies than radishes, right? And the participants in the study were divided into two groups. One group was instructed to eat the delicious cookies and ignore the radishes. The other group was instructed to ignore the delicious cookies and to eat the radishes.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
I know which group I would have rather been in. After five minutes into that experiment, the researchers re-entered the room and gave both groups of people a puzzle. But the thing is, the puzzle was impossible to complete. And here's what happened. The people that had eaten the cookie
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
with their unused reservoir of willpower, because they hadn't had to use their willpower, they hadn't had to use their restraint, looked way more relaxed when they were trying to solve that impossible puzzle, and they would continue to try and solve it over and over and over again. Some worked for more than half an hour before the researcher told them to stop.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
On average, the cookie eaters spent almost 19 minutes trying to solve that puzzle before they eventually quit, on average. Now, in the case of the radish eaters, with their depleted willpower because they had to practice restraint, they acted completely differently. It was a completely opposite story. They vented as they worked to try and solve that puzzle. They got frustrated.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
One even complained that the whole experiment was a waste of time. Some of them put their heads on the table, closed their eyes, and one of them even snapped at the researcher when she came back in. On average, the radish eaters worked for roughly eight minutes, 60% less. They tried to solve the problem of the puzzle, the impossible puzzle, for 60% less time than the cookie eaters before quitting.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
And when I read this study, I was shocked, but I'm a skeptic. So I tried to think of why this might be. I tried to think of other factors. And I thought of maybe it's the sugar. Maybe the sugar in the cookies are causing them to work harder. But when you look at other studies where there isn't sugar, anytime someone's practicing restraint, the same effects are seen. Willpower isn't just a skill.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
It's a muscle, like the muscles in your arms or your legs. And it gets tired and it gets tired as it's forced to work harder. So there's less power left over for all of the other things. And since that cookie study was published, I think in 1998, numerous studies have built a case for the exact same thing. They call it the willpower depletion theory.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
In one incredible example, which is almost hard to believe, volunteers who were asked to suppress their feelings as they watched an emotional movie gave up sooner on a test that they did after of physical stamina than than volunteers who watched the film and were allowed to react in whatever way they wanted to.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
So if you were asked to restrain yourself, when you then did a physical exercise, people gave up sooner in the physical exercise. In a similar study which pointed at the exact same conclusion, people who were asked to suppress certain thoughts were less able to stifle laughter in a follow-up test which was designed to make them giggle.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
So if the science here is correct, which I suspect it is, and willpower is a limited resource, It's really obvious that the more pressure and restrictions and strain you put on yourself when you're trying to make a new habit and break old ones, the less the chance you have of achieving them, the more chance you have of rebounding and relapsing. This is why...
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
unsustainable crash diets just don't work this is why anytime you feel like you're depriving yourself of something that you really want you nearly always end up failing and falling into relapse this is why in a 2014 study almost 40% of people said they failed on their new year's resolutions because the goal was too unsustainable or unrealistic and 10% said they failed because they had too many goals
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
This is why it's so important as you think about what goals you're setting to make sure that they're small enough and achievable enough to become sustainable without the need for major sacrifice, which will deplete your willpower reserves. And that for me was a real revelation because I think about all the habits I've tried to set. You know, when I talked about...
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
trying to get a six pack for summer, think about what I said. I obsessively ate healthy food. I went to the gym every day for six months. My willpower eventually became depleted and I rebounded. Rebounded like a yo-yo, like you've never seen before. And this is why you shouldn't try and give up every bad habit that you have at the same time.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
This is why less goals increase the chance of completing all of your goals. Because with too many big, unrealistic, sacrifice-centric goals, your willpower will be under tremendous, unsustainable strain. It will run out. You will fail and it will rebound.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
And this is also why so many psychologists and scientists have found that the best way to create a new habit isn't by depriving yourself of all rewards. That is totally counterproductive according to the science. It's by finding new rewards, healthier rewards, less addictive rewards, but nonetheless making sure that you still reward yourself in some way every day along the way.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
The other thing I found really curious in this section about habits in stage four of the book is when people think about habit loops, they often have a reward at the end of it. You referenced suffering. Now, there's this quote I heard many years ago. I think it was just over 10 years ago. It must have been. God, I'm getting old.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
Where I heard this YouTuber say, change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change. And when I'm thinking about friends that I have in my life or myself, where there's habits or there's behavior patterns that I want to break, sometimes I'm thinking about one particular person who's a musician.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
Sometimes they have to get to that rock bottom place before you see change happen. Yeah. Is that because of that?
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
That was step one in your triangle.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
A lot of people are thinking about habits. It's January. I made a video on habits a couple of weeks ago today. In A Path Through the Jungle, you talk about how our habits are influenced by our self-image. That was a curious sentence to read and not something I'd heard before. What do you mean by that?
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
And then that last point in the triangle, the habit triangle, commitment.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
One of the things this podcast has taught me from speaking to all these people across multiple fields is that sometimes we can feel like our body, our wiring is against us, especially as it relates to health, right? So, you know, we know sugar is bad. So why does our brain send us these cravings to go and eat sugar?
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
And in the case of distractions and sort of behavioral psychology, I know instinctively and intuitively that distractions like hanging out on TikTok for an hour is bad. but my brain is doing it. What does that tell us about how we should go about adopting behavior change?
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
I'm really compelled by, really interested in how you figured out the thing you were trying to escape from, because I think that's the starting point, which is a very difficult starting point for most people. They can see the sort of compulsive behavior that's maybe making them live outside of their values or causing them to excessively eat or excessively watch porn or whatever it might be.
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Moment 197: The 10-Minute Rule That Beats ANY Bad Habit & This Weird Trick Forms Good Habits Instantly! Professor Steve Peters & Nir Eyal
But diagnosing the root cause of that is a difficult thing to do. Most of us don't know what we don't know. Yeah.
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
In order for your team to know, what decisions you'd make before, you know, it even comes to you as it relates to the branding, the positioning of it and all those things. That must first start with you being really, really clear.
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
And what I've got from all of that is because you're so clear in your head and non-negotiable about what this brand is, you've been able to kind of like install that in all of the people around you. So now they are like disciples of the values. For sure. We actually have a Bible. Oh, really?
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
And I feel like now the brand really is going global. Everyone wants to know what's in that Bible. What kind of things are in there?
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
One of the things I found really interesting is I read that you deleted,
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
potentially hundreds of episodes of fire in the booth that just didn't cut it yeah which which i think a lot of people would be surprised by because you know a rapper an artist comes down they perform they might think it's gone off they might think that you know they killed it and then you're sat there thinking this doesn't meet the standard
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
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Moment 192: The Fire In The Booth That Would Have Destroyed My Brand: Charlie Sloth
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
How do I find which story to tell? Because if I'm running this podcast and I'm thinking, okay, I need to do the logo, the branding, I need to position it in a way that's going to be... This is typically the way the brain thinks. It's trying... The outcome is success. And it's trying to figure out which story to tell to get me to success. So how do I make this podcast successful?
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
When you think of the most iconic logo in the world, which brand comes to mind? For me, it's probably Nike. Their former CMO Greg Hoffman knew exactly how critical strong brand recognition was. And in this clip, he shares his tactics on leveling up your own marketing. I have about 40 companies in my portfolio. And when I think about what's worked in terms of marketing, LinkedIn ads stands out.
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
How do you go about knowing where and how to find that story in your business, brand, team, whatever it is? And which one is the right one to tell to get the outcome I'm looking for, which is success?
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
Which happens a lot. For me, so some things that we do intentionally to try and communicate the, I guess the heart of what we're doing on this podcast, for example, in the branding. So one of the things is we always make sure it feels like home. So it's in, whether in LA or in London, it's actually shot in my actual kitchen on a very similar looking table.
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
People are actually surprised it looks exactly the same, but we always shoot it at home because I think the conversations we're having are homely ones. They're the ones people have at home. They're not ones that, you know, we could go do this in a massive studio, but it wouldn't be in line with our values. The other thing is it's dark in here. So that speaks to the subject matter.
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
Sometimes it speaks to secrets. The other thing is obviously the title of the podcast is The Diary of a CEO. And you ask yourself what one might keep in a diary. It tends to be things that are a little bit deeper. And there's all these small things, you know, we even, I mean, we spend many days this week, me and Jack debating removing the microphones.
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
because it kills what the humanness of authentic communication. So we're thinking about ways where we can have the microphones hanging, where we can remove the barrier and all these small things. I guess, is that the frame? Or when you think about brand elements, you're talking more about like colors and things like that?
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
So I'm just thinking about the things that have evoked the strongest emotional connections with anything I do. The things that have evoked the strongest emotional connections with this podcast and its audience are strong emotional stories. But when you do that, when you avoid indifference, you are putting yourself in line for potential criticism and attacks and you're going to polarize people.
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Moment 191: Inside Nike’s Branding Genius: Lessons for Building an Iconic Brand: Greg Hoffman
Some people are going to love and hate you. How important has that been for Nike? And how important is it for a person starting a podcast or a business or leading a team or whatever else?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
We've got to put our headphones on and hear it. All right. Trump on gay rights. You mentioned the Bible. You've been talking about how it's your favorite book. And you said, I think last night in Iowa, some people are surprised that you say that. I'm wondering what one or two of your most favorite Bible verses are and why.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2193 - Jack Symes
There's no verse that means a lot to you that you think about or cite?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1510 - Is It Finally Time For Our Glorious Conquest Of Canada To Begin?
I was going to ask you, what is on these tests? Because it says basic, and I'm just thinking of basic. What are we talking about here?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1521 - Trump Wages All Out War On DEI
The female cop is tasked with removing the gun.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1521 - Trump Wages All Out War On DEI
First day on the job, President Trump signed an executive order, you know, the U.S. government only recognizing two genders, male, female. They're unchangeable. You know, if elected as prime minister, is that something that you're going to kind of walk in line with? Or what are your feelings on that executive order?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1521 - Trump Wages All Out War On DEI
Me personally? Yes. I'm just asking more so if you're in line with what he is saying. Do you agree with what he's saying? Is that something that you would be lockstep with if elected as prime minister?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1521 - Trump Wages All Out War On DEI
Well, there's well, there's. Personally, I am a man. I am, as people say, a cis man. There are people there who, you know, they say they're gender neutral. Me too. I am a man. You are a man, yes. There are people out there who say they're gender neutral. Yeah, they say they're gender neutral. They're, you know, they're a trans person. Is that something that you would recognize here?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1521 - Trump Wages All Out War On DEI
Whereas in the States, at least with their U.S. government, the way they're seeing it, there's only two.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1506 - Why Derek Chauvin Deserves a New Trial (And Will Win It)
Yeah. Go ahead. I want to hear from you, Jodi. Why is that? You brought that up? What did you? I brought that up because it's- Tell me what you brought up and why.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1506 - Why Derek Chauvin Deserves a New Trial (And Will Win It)
Why do you think that was a light bulb?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1518 - Joe Biden Makes One Last Insane Power Grab Before Leaving For Good
How do you feel about Trump being inaugurated this weekend?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1518 - Joe Biden Makes One Last Insane Power Grab Before Leaving For Good
What is your biggest concern about him becoming president? Is there a right that you're worried that he's going to take away from you?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1518 - Joe Biden Makes One Last Insane Power Grab Before Leaving For Good
And you're here today. against patriarchy. A lot of fun.
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1518 - Joe Biden Makes One Last Insane Power Grab Before Leaving For Good
All right, thanks. Be glad we want equality and not revenge. Oh my gosh, that scares me a little bit. Tell us about that. What does that mean? Just, you know, with all the things going on with Roe v. Wade, we just want that. Can we ask you about your flag?
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1518 - Joe Biden Makes One Last Insane Power Grab Before Leaving For Good
ask you what does it say elect a clown expect a circus tell us about this he was really disorganized coming in the first time and it's all about fame and fortune for him so i don't expect a lot of organization i mean he's got a few good people he's picked for his cabinet but how do you feel about donald trump and what are you worried about for this next administration um i just don't like him as a person and i feel like
The Matt Walsh Show
Ep. 1522 - Biden’s Pro-Life Political Prisoners Are Finally Free
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The MeidasTouch Podcast
FED UP Dems Finally PUT THE SCREWS in House GOP
I'm sure we're about to get to the bottom of that. Why is he interested in Greenland?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
FED UP Dems Finally PUT THE SCREWS in House GOP
Yeah, it's going to cost about one point five trillion, but it probably will pay off.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
FED UP Dems Finally PUT THE SCREWS in House GOP
Some of your colleagues, your future colleagues in the Senate that say, he won. He's got a mandate. He deserves it. You know, everybody that he's chosen.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
FED UP Dems Finally PUT THE SCREWS in House GOP
But I've also seen you've taken heat, especially online, social media.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Canada Leaders Issues FINAL URGENT WARNING to Trump
Let's play it. I understand Danielle Smith has posted online her sort of reaction to this and why she decided to communicate saying she can't support what's going on today because the idea is still being floated about putting an export tariff on our oil and gas. So what's your reaction to that? Why were you unable to bring her on board with this?
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Denmark UNLEASHES FURY at Trump after CALL FROM HELL
You recently introduced a bill. It gives President Trump the congressional authority to acquire Greenland. Tell us more about this.
The MeidasTouch Podcast
Denmark UNLEASHES FURY at Trump after CALL FROM HELL
yesterday, Trump was asked if he'd rule out using military force to get control of Greenland and the Panama Canal and Trump would not rule that out. How would acquiring that land help everyday Americans better afford their day-to-day expenses?
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Trump INSTANTLY falls into TRAP Set by China…HE’S DUMB!
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in your conversation about Ukraine. You asked him to get involved in helping settle that. Can you tell us about that?
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MeidasTouch RESPONDS to Trump COLLAPSING TERM
Mr. President, when you're back here in Davos next year, will there be then a peace agreement with Ukraine and Russia by then?
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MeidasTouch RESPONDS to BREAKING NEWS before DAY 1 - 1/16/25
Any specific policies proposed by the president-elect that you expect will increase prices for families?
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MeidasTouch RESPONDS to BREAKING NEWS before DAY 1 - 1/16/25
So that's a no. If the president-elect were to propose a policy that you believe will increase prices, would you advise against it?
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MeidasTouch RESPONDS to BREAKING NEWS before DAY 1 - 1/16/25
Well, I have limited time. So if you believe that a policy that is proposed by President Trump would increase prices Would you advise him against doing it? Yes or no?
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MeidasTouch RESPONDS to BREAKING NEWS before DAY 1 - 1/16/25
All right, let's move on to when we met prior to the hearing, you told me that President Biden was responsible for increased prices over the past four years, something we can litigate, but I don't want to right here. By the same token, I assume you would agree that if prices increase in the next four years, President-elect Trump would be responsible.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
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The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
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The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So you're from Brooklyn. There are a lot of American-born Brooklyn people, a lot of Caribbean people, hardworking, not making much money. They're not getting free hotels. They're not getting housing vouchers or free cell phones or free airplane tickets. Illegal aliens are getting them. What's their perspective on this?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I got to admit, I'll just admit it. I thought it was pretty funny when they started trucking illegals here because I don't live in New York, so I have to deal with the consequences. because it is such a liberal city, but mostly because it's a sanctuary city. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Which basically committed an act of insurrection against the federal government by ignoring federal law, kind of what the Confederates did at Fort Sumter, except even more outrageous. And so isn't there a sense in which New York kind of deserves this? It was a sanctuary city.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah, like me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And so it's- So just to be clear for people who haven't read the indictment, you are accused of being bribed by the Turkish government to allow the Turkish president or prime minister, pardon my not remembering,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Right, but I mean, you could say that of anybody breaking federal law. I mean, there could be someone indicted on terror charges or a murderer on the lam. And if New York harbors him, it's harboring a criminal, it's violating federal law. And that is a form of insurrection, right? You're saying we're not following the laws of the United States of America.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Why shouldn't Washington send troops here, like immediately, and make you obey, as Eisenhower did to Central High School in Little Rock in the 50s when they ignored Brown versus Board? You can't be out of compliance with federal law without getting the 101st Airborne, don't you think?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Well, then why isn't it fair for the states that are still part of the United States and are obeying federal law to send all of their illegals here because you guys welcome them. I mean, and you can pay for it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
But you said it was a minute ago. I mean, I get what you're saying, and I think it— It sounds good, but I think we just discovered why it's not good because it's the volume. Like I think probably 99% of the immigrants who are wrecking your city are great people who have good, you know, they're not bad people, but they're just too many of them and you can't afford it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
That's what I'm saying. Maybe not be a sanctuary city. Maybe to say we're going to follow federal law like everybody else.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Like indentured servitude.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah, and I know you always hear that about the lack of workers, and it's clearly true. I mean, there is a labor crisis in the country. Obviously, every employer says it, and it's real. On the other hand, there are a lot of Americans who aren't working for whatever reason. And among native-born African-Americans, young men, the number's like over 50%. It's awful.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So rather than just say, well, we're just going to import people from Honduras or Paraguay or whatever, why don't we say, let's get our people working instead?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Well, because the more immigration you have, the smaller the percentage of Americans who work. I mean, that's true in every country with mass immigration. The native population stops working when you flood the country with foreigners. And I don't know why that's not obvious to everybody, but it is true. And it's particularly true for African-Americans.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And I just think it's weird that nobody seems to notice or care.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So you get a call from Turkish government and they say Turkish officials want to occupy their own consulate, which is being built in New York, hasn't received a fire inspection yet. You call FDNY and say, hey, can you, you know, the government wants to occupy their own building. I'm the mayor. It's another country. They want to occupy their own building.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So what I see the conflict, like big picture, I know you feel this every day, I don't know if you'll admit it, is the conflict between the people who pay for everything in politics, not just on the Democratic side, by the way, also Republican side, but they're all rich white liberals, just to be honest. Right. And then everybody else. And it does seem like the values are just in conflict.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Like the people who pay for campaigns, not just yours, but everybody's, could care less like what the subways are like. And they could care less about the downstream effects of education. Like public schools, they don't send their kids to public schools. They don't care. Do you see that maybe this isn't a coalition that can continue?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I mean, I was in Miami last week, which is, you know, it's totally transformed. If you haven't been to Miami recently, it's like everyone you heard. I was with New Yorkers actually there, because they were all there for New Year's. And a lot of them live there now.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And they're bringing their finance money down there, which is the single largest private sector employer in your city, of course, is banking.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And by far, and they're moving out. And so like, how do you pay for a city of 8 million people if an increasing percentage of the population is poor? If the rich people are leaving, which they are, like, how do you do that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Can you go ahead and do the fire inspection? There's no evidence that the building was a fire trap or out of compliance with any fire regulation. Is this correct? Exactly. Right. So it's a weird thing to be indicted for.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Why don't you just send the cops? Get off the street. It's not your side. You don't own the side.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
No, but I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying- But we're sued because of it. Yeah, but so what?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Don't get me... No, but just make... What are you going to do about it, Mr. Legal Aid guy? You banned guns. Like, only the cops have guns. And we're not allowing people to live on the sidewalk or self-vent on all the kids. Like, sorry, cup of shit. Why don't you do that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Kind of go full fascist a little bit. People would love you if you did that. You've thought about that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
But why don't you put the junkies in their houses? Miss legal aid lawyer, if you're so competitive. Like, how many junkies do you have living in your house? Zero. But you expect taxpayers in Queens to pay for shelter for junkies? Like, what?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I still hear people saying, everyone says New York is getting better, you know, low bar. But it's still, the subways are scary because there are a lot of crazy people on the subways. I saw a picture today of people waiting for a train and they're all standing with their backs against the wall so no one pushes them. Daniel Penny tried to save a man's life.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
He gets indicted for doing the right, obviously doing the right thing. What do you do about that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
But the prosecutors don't... I mean, I keep reading, you know, some guy gets picked up, he's been arrested 47 times for violent crimes, not prosecuted. Like, that's not... sustainable, like civilization can't exist under those circumstances.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So how is it that those people don't get put away? They keep doing it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
You know who they are. You've got some of the worst prosecutors in the country. George Soros paid for them, as you know. And why not just call them out and say people died because of that prosecutor?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah, and why do you let people smoke weed on the street here? It smells like a slum. If you want to smoke weed, just go to your apartment and watch TV or whatever. But why do you have people blowing weed on your face on the street? Has that made anyone's life better at all?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
They say they're high. So a small number of people run all the weed supply chains and the retail, and they're making a ton of money, and everyone's invested in it. Private equity's all up in it. I'm sure they're handing out money to politicians here. They are everywhere else in the country. But it's clearly hurting people, and it makes the place smell like Islam. I mean, it's disgusting.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And everyone knows that. And why can't anyone do anything about it?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
This is a liberal vision. You want to do weird stuff at home. We're not going to bother you. We're not going to ask any questions, but it's kind of up to you because it's your life. That's kind of the liberal idea. Don't do it on the street. You want to have a parade? Put your junk away at the pride parade. Don't have sex with people in ATMs. Don't smoke weed on the street.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
If you're a violent, crazy person, don't bark at people on the subway or push them in front of trains. Just keep it indoors. Why can't New York, arrive at that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
But you wonder, is that far right to say go do your weird shit at home? I don't think that's far right, is it?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I totally agree with that. I mean, I'm just for the record, I'm kind of against all immigration right now. We have too much of it. But I will also say I've never seen an African immigrant do anything like that. Like they're not marching around with their junk out in parades or whatever. Like we've buttoned down people coming into the country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And the longer they stay here, the more they decide, like, I got to do this stuff on the sidewalk. I mean, it is it's a very specific situation. affluent liberal culture that promotes doing all that stuff in public. And I'm wondering why, like, why are they in charge of everything?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Or indicted for upgrading your flights.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Well, the weird thing is, from the Washington perspective, where I'm from, is that you're under indictment for allowing foreign governments, Turkey, not North Korea, by the way, or Iran, but like a member of NATO, allowing them to upgrade your flights.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
It does seem that way. So you're being challenged, supposedly, and I think it's true, by Andrew Cuomo, the former governor. What do you make of that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
You were here in the 90s when the city reached peak crime, 92, 93. Then Giuliani comes in. Everyone hates Giuliani now, and he's being destroyed by lawsuits. But the truth is, crime just went right off a cliff. You were there. And the idea was pretty simple. It's like, we're just not going to let quality of life crime slide anymore.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And if you'll commit a small crime, you're more likely to commit a big crime. That was the idea. Jack Maple and the whole, you were there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
What are you expecting with this indictment? Do you think, I mean, is there going to be a trial? When is that going to be? What is the penalty that you're facing? How does this play out to the extent you can explain?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Pretty much every member of Congress takes almost every single 535 House and Senate takes flights to other countries hosted by foreign governments and are given in effect tens of thousands of dollars of goods and services by those governments every single time. upgrades, police protection, motorcades. No one's ever been indicted for that. That's less than what you did. Are you aware of that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
You could do 30 years for taking flight upgrades? This is real- Do you wish you'd flown coach in retrospect?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Have you talked to Trump?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
How'd that go?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah, he does.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
But you're not going to let those people drive into the city without paying a big tax?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Why not let people drive in your city? Okay, here's my take on congestion pricing. This is the bicycle lobby from the west side who doesn't believe in cars in the first place, exerting undue influence once again on the mayor's office and shafting the people in Westchester, the outer boroughs just want to drive their minivans into the city to do a day's labor.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Were you involved with his wife at all? No, I mean, you don't have to answer.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
into deep New York stuff. Drowning in it. I don't even understand what you're talking about. But can we both agree that people who ride bicycles should have no say in governance in the city of- No, they should have say. Minor, minor say.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah, they shouldn't have control.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Amen. I agree with that. But if you're going to, basically, this MTA rule will force people onto public transportation, buses, and particularly the subway system, biggest in the country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Isn't it fair that the subway be like perfect?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
If you force people to take the subway, there should be zero crime. Zero crazy people barking at you. You stare at someone in the eyes, he punches you in the face. You can't have that. If they don't have that in Tokyo, why have it here?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
By improving, do you mean make it safer?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I don't know the answer.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
But there does, I'm not an expert, but there does seem to be an absolute rise in in severe mental illness, not just anxiety disorders, but disassociative schizophrenia and stuff like that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
What about all the people who were hesitant to take the vax, who didn't know enough or who are aware of previous incidents of the government lying about public health? And a lot of them lost their jobs. At the very least, they were yelled at and scolded by the Biden administration and by public health authorities here in New York. Aren't they owed an apology, at least, those people?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah, I mean, I think anyone who reads the indictment will come away confused, and that's kind of why I was so anxious to talk to you. What was this? I mean, you're a Democrat, lifelong. You were mayor of the biggest city in the United States. It's an overwhelmingly Democrat city. You're one of the most important Democratic officials in the country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
But when you have a scary time, what you can't do is isolate a vulnerable minority and blame them for everything, which is what they did.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I feel like we've seen a lot of that through history and maybe it's a bad idea at this point. We shouldn't do that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So the next time there's a public health crisis or any kind of crisis, when you see public officials say it's these people's fault, American citizens with jobs and families, they did this. Maybe we should call that what it is, which is.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah.
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Now, there was some question about what happened to de Blasio. We were mentioning the mentally ill on subways. Is he one of them? What happened to him? Do you know?
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Bill de Blasio, the former mayor. He lived here.
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Like, what would be the class? Bill de Blasio on what? Do you have any idea?
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What does happen to mayors in the end?
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You were indicted by Joe Biden's Justice Department. What was that?
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because you complained about allowing tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of illegals from foreign nationals who have no right to be here to come into your city and you have to pay for it, and you complained, and this indictment was punishment for complaining.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So if we could just walk through and leave out the parts you can't talk about, of course, but this happens at the beginning of the Biden administration, which is close to the beginning of your administration. All these foreign nationals start showing up in New York. They have no money. They have no jobs. They have no place to stay. And you have to deal with them.
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And the taxpayers here have to deal with them. So you go to Washington. What were those meetings like?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Who did you speak to?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I kind of like this. I read through the indictment today on the way here. I read the day it came out. I have no reason to suck up to you. I thought it was ridiculous. It was flimsier even than I remember. You were indicted for accepting upgraded flights and for allowing the Turkish president to occupy his own building in Manhattan. The whole thing's crazy, actually, if you read it.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
And so you tell the president and his aides this, and what do they say?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
It's like a gallstone, it'll pass.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Well, you pee it out then.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So what do you think that damage looks like long-term?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
It sounds like they treated you with contempt.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
What was your reaction when you found out you were being indicted?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
I'm just confused by why that's the responsibility of the taxpayers, the citizenry of New York and your responsibility. Someone comes into our country illegally from another nation, not invited here in violation of our laws. And it's your responsibility to make sure that they're dealt with. How does that work? Where did that responsibility come from?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Was there ever a conversation in your 10 trips to Washington where anybody said, you know, really sorry for doing this to you?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Never? Never. Never. Do you say, I'm the mayor of New York, it's the biggest city in the country, you can't treat me like a servant? No.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
So they had to sit there idle and then- Think about that. Yeah, think about that.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Yeah, no, it's totally right. Idle hands. All right. After, was it after your 10th trip that you got indicted when you started complaining about it in public?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
On the way to Washington to meet with other mayors about immigration.
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
Did you know it was connected?
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Eric Adams on His Attempt to Fix New York and How Democrats Weaponized the Law to Stop Him
You hear that with a lot of people who've been successful. You get to this place that you never thought you'd be and you realize you don't have as much power as you thought you had. And when you disobey, you get crushed.
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Just just have you spoken? The Biden people are gone now. Trump's getting inaugurated. But did you between your indictment and the end of Biden's term, talk to anyone at the White House and say, hey, you indicted me for complaining? What's this?
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Oh, because you're an indicted person now.
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Okay, so Harlow is the fake name of your sister in the book. Love how you write about Harlow and how she, it's just beautiful. Okay, so let's just say Harlow stabbed somebody in the head with a pencil. What she feels after is, oh my God, I did this horrible thing. That person's hurting. I feel so guilty. Everyone's going to be mad at me. I'm a terrible person. Right.
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And I'm not, I'm just saying Harlow being a neurotypical. Yes. No, I can't even imagine her doing something like that. But yes, correct. All of those. So that's Harlow's mind afterwards are neurotypical. You stab somebody with a pencil. What exactly is happening in your mind with your grownup perspective of relief? Because you're being yourself.
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I understood it as I'm trying to feel something, but that's not it. That's not exactly it, right? It's not just trying to feel something. It's I am asserting who I am in this moment and I don't give a fuck.
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Okay. Do you see superpowers of sociopathy? Because I want to hear about all the like, I know it can be dangerous. People, this is not like something to glamorize. It's messy. However, I will point to a few things. Like when you talk about the tranquility and things coming in and out, and I'm like, isn't this what I'm trying to like?
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Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. We are psyched today. We have a fascinating guest today that I have been listening to and reading and have learned so much, not just about her, but about all of us from her work. Her name is Patrick Gagne, and she is a writer, former therapist, and advocate for people with sociopathic, psychopathic, and antisocial personality disorders.
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I'm paying all these people to make me sit down and breathe for an hour so I can get to this non-attachment place. Or when I think about what we think of as good people, quote, who feel a lot of things, I think I make some of my worst decisions from powerful emotions. Not my best. Like I almost have to be in the non-attachment to make my best decision.
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So do you see superpowers of this or is it just something to manage?
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It's like being an emotional atheist compared to a Christian who is only doing good things because I'm scared shitless I'm going to hell. Like who's the better person? The person who's only doing it to save their ass or the person who's choosing to do it through no dogma, through no feeling that's going to come up in there just because it's the right thing that they've decided.
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Her New York Times bestselling memoir, Sociopath, so good, so good, shares her struggle to understand her own sociopathy and shed light on this often maligned and misunderstood mental disorder. Welcome, Patrick. How are you?
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Like it's just an around and around and around we go. And if you tell them it doesn't matter if you learn it, what matters is if it's inherent in you. No, that's yeah. That's the second. It's the double bind. It doesn't matter. No. The goalpost is always changing. If you learn it, you're fake and we don't like you. Right. But so is it something that's so massive?
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Really good. We're good. Patrick, what is a sociopath?
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It's bigger than it's what we believe as a culture. You are only good if you feel a certain way. It doesn't matter what you do. It's what you feel. And so if we taught kids differently, would kids who didn't inherently feel these social emotions not have to act out in the first place because they wouldn't be being told that they were bad?
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Would it fix the even negative to culture effects of sociopathy at the root? And then allow us to see the superpowers. For example, if I'm going into surgery, I don't want my surgeon to be a fucking empath. I don't want my surgeon going, oh my God, I feel so bad for you. I don't necessarily want empaths on the front line of activism. I don't want someone like me in all those places, honestly. So-
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Does it start so early with how we define what is a good person and a bad person? Yes.
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That's so cool. That's really cool. What is the hardest part of being a sociopath in a marriage?
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So you're just like everyone else is what you're saying.
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But don't, okay, I think this might be one of the reasons why I'm so fascinated by all of this and you and all this work Is that I think I have bought the idea over a long time that being an empath, being empathetic is the goodest girl. It's like the kindest thing to be. I am now in a phase of my life where I'm wondering if being an empath is horseshit.
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if that it's just hypervigilance, if it's just, if it's just a group of people who were raised in houses where they had to be hypervigilant of everyone else's feelings, because me saying, I am an empath. I feel what you feel is impossible. I don't feel what you feel. I feel what's coming up inside of me. That is about me. I'm not a vampire.
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I can't like suck out exactly what you're feeling and put it in me. So, in some ways, all we're doing, the empaths, is using everyone else to regulate our own self. It's actually quite selfish.
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Because Patrick, it would make us too upset. Correct, correct.
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I mean, that's what I'm trying to get to my whole life. Yeah.
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So you don't need guilt and shame to be a good person. Not a good person. What's the word? You're happy-ish as anyone else, right? You have beautiful relationships. Yeah. You live a life of truth and freedom and service. So is what you're saying partly that guilt and shame are not needed to create connection?
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The little girl with the face on the window, looking in the window, looking into what other people's experience might be and wondering about it. maybe a little bit of longing. Is that tied to the lifetime of finding some sort of solace in breaking into people's houses and searching their house, looking around in college, taking people's cars?
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Was it all kind of like an effort to get inside another person's experience and take a peek and see if it's really all that?
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I think my favorite thing about your book and you is that I felt so strongly the tension of yes, I want certain things. I want meaning. I want relationship. I want this relationship with this guy. I want a career. I want these things that culture can offer, but I will not abandon myself. It's so easy when you're different in any way to decide that success is full assimilation.
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That like success is I do whatever it takes to become What you will celebrate. But what I freaking loved about your story was that that was not enough. Like that's not what you were doing. You were like, I want these things. I will not abandon myself though. I don't want to be you. I want to be me.
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I kept thinking of when you were dealing with David or dealing with your mom and I kept hearing the freaking, we have teenage girls, so I kept hearing the Taylor Swift line, I don't want to keep secrets just to keep you. Yes, yes, yes. Hearing that over and over again. So do you feel that tension? Like, do you think about that? Do you think about, I don't want to be you.
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I want to be me and have all the things that I want.
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Correct. Yes. Cosign. So that is an amazing message to people who are in relation to or thinking about sociopathy from the outside. What do you want to say? What do you want to leave us with for people who are listening who are on the spectrum. You call it a spectrum, right?
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Tell us how you experienced this as a kid. Because I know what it's like to figure out what you are and suddenly things make sense. And then you feel really bad for your younger self who thought they were lost. Tell us how you experienced being a kid. Maybe tell us about the pencil incident. Just what was it like?
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I can feel nothing and survive. It's so good. Because it's like- Well, you wrote it. No, I did the opposite. I'm working towards hers. No, I know, I know. But it's the opposite side of the same coin. Yes. You know? Yes.
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And similarly, like, I think so much about, like, when we're doing any work with queer communities or, and people are always bringing up, well, queer kids have such a higher rate of suicide. And there's like this jump of like, so it must be the queerness- That's making them depressed enough to da-da-da-da. And it's like, oh, oh, oh, oh. It's never the queerness that's the problem.
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It's the culture saying you shouldn't be that makes them so upset that they feel like they can't live on this earth. And for you, what I hear you saying is it's not the lack of feeling. It's the culture saying you should feel that makes it so excruciating. It's not the queerness. It's the homophobia. It's not the thing. It's the reaction to the thing.
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Well, I know you wrote your book for sociopaths to find a place to land and And it is that I am sure, but it is also such a fascinating study of all of us. And it taught as someone who probably errs on the other side of the spectrum for better and for a lot worse. It's made me think every single day since I read it. So thank you for it.
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Patrick, is the apathy, so is this feeling that you called apathy when you were little, but now you call tranquility or this feeling, is it a feeling? Is it an absence of feeling is my first question. And then the follow-up to that is this. One of the things we're always talking about on this pod is this quote that's like, the problem is the picture in your head of how it's supposed to be, okay?
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So my question, when I was reading your book, I kept thinking, okay, is the apathy the problem or is your belief that you shouldn't have the apathy? Like if a sociopath is born on an island with nobody around and no culture to tell that person how it should be, does the person just live comfortably with the apathy without the constant need to act out because the acting out is just,
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cultures what told you what it should be.
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Right. Wow. And what is it like? I kept thinking as I was reading, there's just something so humongous about an entire culture telling you, if you tell the truth, we will understand you more. If you tell the truth, like that is something we all use as like a safety. I don't know what we're doing with that, but it's usually true.
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But what is it like to be a person who knows for certain that the more I tell you, the less you will approve of me? Usually the more someone tells me, oh, we understand you. But your truth is more isolating.