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A Lawless Trump and Aimless Dems

Tue, 18 Mar 2025

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The Trump administration just took things to a chilling new level — deporting people to foreign prisons without due process. They’re using the Alien Enemies Act — a law last invoked to justify the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII — to deport 137 Venezuelans to El Salvador, where they’re now being held in a notorious, crowded mega-prison where visitation and recreation are forbidden. Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer’s decision to back the GOP’s spending bill has sparked fierce backlash from Democrats across the board. Jon, Lovett, and Tommy break down the administration’s defiance of the courts and debate both sides of the shutdown fight. Then, Dan talks to House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries about his break with Schumer and how Democrats can unite against the Trump administration. For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [email protected] and include the name of the podcast.

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Chapter 1: What are the alarming actions taken by the Trump administration?

1523.031 - 1535.597 Tommy Vietor

And the law was used to keep Jews out of the United States, even after the Holocaust. So it's just a good reminder that the history of these kind of tactics and legal strategies will come back to bite everybody in the ass. You should not support them.

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1536.017 - 1539.659 Jon Favreau

And even despite all that, we got a Senate minority leader that everybody hates. Yeah.

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1550.049 - 1566.962 Jon Favreau

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1567.462 - 1587.177 Jon Favreau

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1587.637 - 1593.682 Tommy Vietor

Well, we had a triple uplift desk set up now in the C-suite. What do we call our office?

1593.702 - 1594.083 Jon Favreau

That's great.

1594.223 - 1596.104 Tommy Vietor

Our disgusting little office here at Crooked Media.

1596.124 - 1597.666 Jon Favreau

All three of us were in the same office.

1597.846 - 1601.489 Tommy Vietor

I will say you've taken to the uplift desk, to the standing desk, like a fish to water.

Chapter 2: How are the courts responding to Trump's immigration policies?

2482.515 - 2499.443 Jon Favreau

It's because he believes that Republicans will not care about the consequences and he believes Republicans will not worry about the political fallout of those consequences. So they don't care about hurting people and they don't think they'll pay any price, even though the polls, I don't disagree with you, Tommy, that over time, Republicans might be able to successfully blame Democrats.

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2499.683 - 2510.348 Jon Favreau

But at the outset of this fight, Republicans who control the Senate, control the House, control the White House, were the ones voters were more likely to blame. They were more likely to blame Trump and Republicans than they were to blame the Democrats. Stepping all the way back.

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2510.888 - 2517.773 Jon Favreau

The fundamental challenge of fighting democratic backsliding is Donald Trump has the power of lawlessness and he has the power of institutions.

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2517.973 - 2540.668 Jon Favreau

In this case, what Chuck Schumer is explicitly saying is my fear of the way Donald Trump abuses his power in this arena actually makes him even more powerful, gives him even more leverage in the legitimate institutional arena where he has constitutional authority. That is incredibly dangerous. There's an opening scene in the movie Lethal Weapon where a man is threatening to jump off of a building.

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2541.789 - 2562.348 Jon Favreau

and Mel Gibson is trying to negotiate out of it and he realizes there's no way to do it. He has to throw his handcuffs on the guy and jump with him and aim him toward a soft landing. That the only way to fight someone that is crazier than you, that cares about the consequences less than you, is to show that you're a little bit crazy too.

2562.748 - 2578.515 Jon Favreau

And until we figure out how to, like, Republicans count on Democrats to be responsible, and until we're willing to show that we can take some pain, that we're as tough as they are, that they don't get to count on us to protect them from their own decisions, we will constantly, constantly lose these fights.

2578.815 - 2580.576 Tommy Vietor

Some evil South Africans in Lethal Weapon 2.

2580.996 - 2581.316 Jon Favreau

They are.

2581.656 - 2583.317 Tommy Vietor

Diplomatic immunity.

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