Timothée Chalamet is an award-winning actor known for his roles in movies like Dune, Wonka, A Beautiful Boy, and more. His new movie “A Complete Unknown” where he plays Bob Dylan is in theaters 12/25. Timothée Chalamet joins Theo to talk about transforming into Bob Dylan (and singing like him) in his new movie, what his life was like growing up in NYC before the fame, and how he goes about choosing which movies to get involved with. Timothée Chalamet: https://www.instagram.com/tchalamet ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Prize Picks: First time users, download the PrizePicks app, use code THEO and PrizePicks will instantly give you $50 on your first lineup of $5 or more. https://www.prizepicks.com Kraken: Go to http://kraken.com/theo to buy Bitcoin on the #1 crypto exchange, as ranked by Forbes Blue Chew: Go to http://bluechew.com to try BlueChew FREE - just pay $5 shipping at checkout MasterClass: Go to http://masterclass.com/theo to get up to 50% off Zocdoc: Go to http://zocdoc.com/theo to find and book a top-rated doctor today BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp — go to http://betterhelp.com/theo to get 10% off your first month. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Producer: Cam https://www.instagram.com/cam__george/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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You've seen him in Dune, Willy Wonka, A Beautiful Boy, and now his new movie, A Complete Unknown, where he plays Bob Dylan in theaters Christmas day. You can check it out. I had a great time getting to know him. He's an enthralling dang human. Today's guest is Timothée Chalamet.
We were just in Nashville. Let's start there. Are we good, Zach? Yeah. Cool beans.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw you were just in Nashville. Yeah.
Had you been there before? Yeah, once, kind of exploring. I was doing a movie called Bones and All. I was trying to do research.
Oh, yeah. It's my producer's favorite. No way. Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. That we just met? Yep, that guy, Zach, is his name. No way. And he loves it. Yeah, he really loves it.
No way. So I had wandered there, and this time got a better sense of it. It's a great city, huh?
Yeah, it's a good place. It's like a little city. Yeah. It's like a little city, kind of like a fancy little city. It's almost like the JonBenet of cities, kind of like, you know, look at this outfit, kind of, you know, but dangerous at the same time. But it has like kind of like an element of like mystery kind of. That's kind of a weird example.
No, but you're not. Are you from there?
No, I'm from Louisiana, but, but Nashville, here's what it is. It's safe. It's nice. People are friendly. Um, you can't cheat on your wife there. So it's not because the city is too small, too small. Okay. You couldn't take your wife or spouse or significant other. Um, you couldn't even, yeah.
Like, and you couldn't take them to dinner or something and not see somebody that would know one of you or them.
So it's, there's like 14 people.
Yeah, well, there's enough people, but the South's a little gossipy.
Uh-huh, okay.
So there's a lot of, like, it's not really an adultery city. It's not a city that's, adultery's not like a trademark of the city, probably. How is it different from New Orleans? New Orleans is a little bit more dangerous, I think, you know? And probably better food, to be honest. Okay. I think you have to have crime to have good food. That's kind of how I feel.
I've never heard that MO.
Really? Yeah.
That's interesting. You ever had that Yakum in New Orleans? That Yakum? It's not a drug, is it? No, no, no.
Okay. Because I've had that. You've never had Yakum? I haven't had the edible version, no. Oh, this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Oh, there's Vietnamese food. I don't think so. I was watching top five, like top five New Orleans street foods. Yaka, homie.
Yeah, yeah. Wow. That's a deep cut right there. It is a very deep cut. I thought it came in a small baggie. Yeah, I haven't had this, bro. I have not had this. But, you know, New Orleans has one of the largest Vietnamese populations.
Really, in the country? I did not know that. I've never been to NOLA. I think so. You haven't? Never. Oh, man. And a lot of stuff shoots there. For some reason, I just haven't been there before. Yeah.
It's mythical.
You know, Nashville reminded me of Austin a little bit. You know, 6th Street?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That promenade a little bit. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Sort of, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that Broadway, that area. That area is really interesting down there. What else about Nashville that I really like?
You go to the soccer games ever? Nashville SC? Yeah.
I haven't been to that. I go to watch Lipscomb College. They play soccer there. What? Lipscomb College. No way. It's a college, and they have soccer, and so I'll go watch some of their games. What's their student body population? That's a good question. Pull it up. Lipscomb College. Let's see.
It's one of those colleges that right next to it has the high school also, and then the children's school or whatever.
So it's like you can go there from K to senior year of college.
Yeah, you could go from K to 40. 4,800 students. Okay. But their soccer team has been ranked in the top 25 the past few years.
So you love your diehard season ticket holder. You're there all the time. Sometimes I'll text my neighbor who's the coach. You're like, hey, you mind if I pop by? You might just pop by, and they're cool. And he'll be on the field. He'll be like, yeah, sure, pull up. Do you get the McConaughey UT pass? You can go wherever you want?
um it's there's not a lot of bleachers so it's pretty you're basically on the field all the time yeah i was amazed i was at that that ut georgia game mcconaughey gets oh you went to that he gets full license yeah he could do whatever he wants because i already had a field pass i thought i was pretty right you know high level in some way he's like with the coach he's calling plays he's coaching he's taping a guy he's taping a guy up he's like you're gonna be all right he's living the experience you know
I got a buddy who's on the national soccer team. His name's Alex Mule. Oh, really?
Let's pull him up. Let's give him some shine because I need to go watch him. You think if I hit him up, he would invite him to a game?
Absolutely. And the games are often sold out. You know, I grew up with this guy. Alex Mule. Yeah, but he was always M-U-Y-L. That's the bane of his life, man. Oh, yeah.
People that can't spell Mule, yeah.
This is amazing, man. I wish this is like, this is what AI is going to be in 20 years. Just say it and it pops up.
Oh, as we're talking, the computer follows. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
I never thought about that.
Have you tried... Do you use the... VR? The Vision? Oculus, that kind of thing? No, no, no. Well, Oculus too, I guess, but the AirPod... What do you mean?
Like Blue Blockers or something?
The Vision Pro. Vision Pro? What is it? The Apple helmet. Tell me about Mule. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My bad. So you played ball with him growing up? I played ball with him growing up and he was just gifted, you know. It's tough, you know, you could play like, it's like that Last Dance Chicago Bulls documentary.
Some of those guys will be partying all night and then they'll, then they'll drop, like Dennis Rodman will drop 40, you know, it's like, I could work my ass off. And if you don't have the gift of physical talent, of athleticism, you're cooked.
Yeah, you're done, dude. Yeah, some people got that damn, you got a damn foot Mozart out there. I don't have that.
Yeah, Alex Mule is a foot Mozart.
Really? Yes. Oh, that's fire. Yeah, I got to go check him out, man. I haven't been to see a game. It's unfortunate. I did get to go see Vanderbilt, which is the college that's, that's the SEC college that's actually in Nashville.
That's what I visited. Yeah, I was at Vanderbilt.
Yeah, I saw a video of you out there.
You know, I never had that American college experience. You know, I went to Columbia for a second. I went to NYU. So I'm jealous of that. But Vanderbilt, respect to Vanderbilt, it didn't feel like UT or it didn't feel like I had a huge campus or a huge.
No, it's a smaller, it's a smaller energy. Yeah. But we went to one game this year. They played Alabama and they beat, they upset Alabama. Yeah.
So that was huge. It was crazy. Because usually their football program is not that good, right?
It's not. Yeah. And they know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we're not telling a secret. No, no, no. You got to keep keeping their place. But that was the game they won. And look, they didn't even, it was like all these lawyers and attorneys like tearing down the goalposts.
No way.
They even had, they had a, there we are after the game. We actually, we. Is it a big law program? Carl Lee is their coach and he's an awesome guy. I mean, he's a class act. He just gets smoked here. Oh, we got to, yeah. There you are. Dude, what are you doing on the field, dude?
What are you doing on the field, dude? You almost ran that person over. Hey, bro. That's amazing.
Put on a helmet, girl. That was a girl that should not have been. Yeah, you almost ran her over. Yeah, she shouldn't be playing wide out. You know, it's just different. But no, what's it like there? Oh, after the game. So they had like engineers like, how should we take this down? And then there's just drunk kids like, just rip it down.
And then they carried it down Broadway, which is like the street you were talking about, the goalposts, because they'd never had it happen. Those kids had never broken a law in their life. Yeah. They even tried to valet park the goalposts at like a restaurant. Is it like an expensive, fancy type school?
I mean, I don't think it's a lot of kids that have ever played probably dice in an alley, I would say that. So I would say it's probably pretty decent.
Man, that's pretty crazy, huh?
But it is a really cool program, man.
I feel like I could see three stadiums from my hotel. I feel like I could see the Vanderbilt one, the Tennessee Titans one, and Nissan Stadium. Shout out, Nissan. Yeah. Is Nissan a big Tennessee car manufacturer? That's a good question. I don't think so.
It sounds Nissan.
It's Japan, Japanese. It's Japanese.
Huh. Interesting. Dude, thanks for coming in, Timothy. I appreciate it, man.
Man, thank you. You know, I, not with the shameless plug, but I got this movie, A Complete Unknown, coming out on Christmas Day.
Yeah.
Did you actually see it? Yeah. Fantastic, man. So I'm excited that we can actually talk about it. I was, uh, very much in the time period of the movie the whole time and trying to stay without being a dick, you know, within the bounds of the character. But somebody in the hair and makeup trailer at the end of the day, they would play this podcast, you know, which is how I discovered it.
And, uh, particularly the, uh, the episodes with the garbage man and sort of like the real life episodes, the lunch lady, the coroner. Wayne. Yeah. Wayne, the garbage man. He's doing good. Those were, those were like awesome episodes, you know, sort of like worldviews that I wouldn't get otherwise, you know? And, uh, Yeah, and you're from New York, right?
And I'm from New York, so Garbage Man, he totally recontextualized that for me.
Bro, he did a great job. Because they used to have... They used to have... I used to hate them, you know? Yeah.
Yeah, because you think they're taking their time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I realize how tough that job is. I mean, he was like throwing dogs in the back of the... I mean, that story is... Do you remember that?
There's a lot of, yeah, a lot of, yeah, missing, formerly living things started to disappear.
In the back of the, back of the, whatever.
Well, they used to have incinerators in the buildings. That's what was craziest. Right, right, right. So that the people would put their trash, it would hit the incinerator. And then they would just have, I mean, this is like six or seven years ago, I think, but they would just have soot in barrels, you know, or in cans on the side of the street. And then they started getting bags.
But he said, yeah, there's been times where a lot of things have shown up. But thank you, man, for checking it out. Yeah. For just hearing it on accident.
No, hearing it on accident and loving it. And I'm so happy you saw this movie. And this is like, you know, I hope this isn't like a shameless self-plug.
No, it's not at all. We're happy that you're here. And I appreciate it. And you get to do a biopic or biopic.
I still don't know, man. Biopic sounds like a medical procedure. Yeah. You know, that sounds like someone, you know, is inspecting your lungs to see if you played the role the right way. I like biopic. Biopic sounds fancier.
Yeah, biopic does sound fancier. I think that's true. Yeah, biopic. Was it like, so let me think about a question like that. Just so people know, this is about a four or five year period in Bob Dylan's life.
This is a four or five year period in the early Bob Dylan's life. And I'm sure a lot of people listening to your program are already fans of Bob Dylan's, but I'm sure a lot aren't because to my generation, you know, Yeah, people, some people don't know. So I don't know. And he's really one of the most fantastic American artists of all time and has influenced our culture in so many deep ways.
And it's just, you know, I grew up on, on Kid Cudi and hip hop and that was really my, you know, my, my, my passion. And then somewhere in my twenties, because this movie I was working on, I became obsessed with this, this man, Bob Dylan, who's absolutely, I could just speak about him endlessly. And, you know,
I would love if people saw this movie and even if they got a passing interest, discover the world of Bob Dylan. I feel like we get to be a bridge or a gateway to this guy. And I hope this isn't one of your episodes where you got like someone, you know, like one of the ones people skip because it's like a person plugging something, you know what I'm saying? Like a...
I don't want to use that word celebrity, but like, you know, because my favorite episodes of yours are... Oh, like a fancy, like a fancier person, hypothetically fancier? No, I don't mean it like that, but just like, I like, like I said, I like the ones that are off the cuff.
Yeah, we don't have like a lot of celebrities on, really. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I never really used that word, but... No, that's okay.
Yeah. No, no, I don't think so.
Look, man, I think... I feel like this part of the job is that, though, because when I'm working, I'm really very much in it, you know what I mean? And then here, anyway.
Yeah, actors get kind of a weird rap, though, because then they also have to be celebrities. In some way, yeah, in some way.
Well, if you want to get your movie out, there's only a limit of how... pretentious in some way, you know, whatever, you know, I want, I want this, especially this movie. I believe in this movie and I believe in this man. He's a tremendous artist. So I want to, I want to, you know, get it out there. Yeah.
Yeah. No, I don't think that's man. I think that like you did the movie with the young man with drug addiction with Steve Carell. So yeah, beautiful boy, which was awesome. Yeah.
Yeah. I know you struggle with that a little bit. Yeah.
Yeah, man. And so many people have, and it's like, um, so, um, I don't think there's any doubt in people's mind about your ability to be a bridge between whether it be a story or a person to a new generation or to new listeners or people kind of imbibing it.
And I appreciate you bringing up Beautiful Boy, and I feel like you're doing the exact same thing, not to just blow smoke up each other's ass, but I feel like when you... Oh, we're a couple of naughty Native Americans right here. Come on, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. If you're listening to this and not watching this, we're fully at the bottom half of our bodies.
We're out of your booth, and it's getting spicy out here.
I don't even know what that means. Okay, I don't either. I don't even know what that means.
Take that out. No, no, no. Because I know you speak on it, too, and you probably empower people that otherwise would be... Doing some naughty stuff.
Yeah, people want to hear it. People want to see it. People want to see, like, a little bit of a journey that they can relate to or hear about it. Yeah, exactly. So about the character, like... So Bob Dylan has, like, such a famous... Because, yeah, a lot of younger generation might not know about him, you know?
Yeah.
And a lot of... He has such like a... That's a good Bob Dylan, man. Was it? Yeah, that was good. How did you do? When you first decided, because I'm sure you had to practice it in your room or something.
Tell me about the first time. That was super gradual. Can't do it with people that are fans. Because people that are fans of Bob Dylan will go, they'll all tell you you got it wrong. That's the trouble with playing someone so famous and beloved. Everyone's got an opinion about him.
Yeah.
So you got to put the blinders on and just kind of do it around people that you know. Look, man, I'm usually not that prick actor who's obliging his friends or whatever to listen to the character he's working on. But this is the one time I did that.
Oh, I think you have to do that. Yeah, I had to do it, man.
Because, yeah, you don't want to get out there and do a bad job of it. Exactly, man. This would have been blasphemous. I would have gotten... killed. I mean, I could still get killed. Yeah. But now it seems like, you know, getting a little bit of love, you know what I'm saying?
Hey, snipers down, lay down snipers. Yeah. Um, but was there a moment where you tried that, where you actually tried it?
Yes. Very gradually. Um, I, I, I had to, there's a great dialect coach named Tim Monick. You know, you can work with people that are like experts in this field and they'll tell you how to go about it. He, this man, Tim Monick invented dialect coaching. He came up with it. Tim Monick. Let's bring him up. M-O-N-I-C-H. He's worked with Leonardo DiCaprio. He's worked with everyone, you know.
So he's a famous dialect coach. I've never looked him up before. Yeah. Tim Monick.
There he is right there. Okay. Is that the man?
Yeah, there I am with him, and I got in trouble anyway. Oh, you did?
What happened to you?
I got in trouble because the strike had just hit, and I was just hanging out with him, and I didn't really get in trouble. People thought I was a scab, and I was working with him. Oh, yeah. Crossing lisp lines or whatever. You're right, dude. You're right. You're right.
That's crazy.
That's the only union where you'd be crossing the picket line by working on your tongue. Yeah, that's crazy. No, I'm serious. It was a real thing, dude. Oh, yeah.
Really?
Stop working on the accent. How dare you learn Spanish? Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. Wow. Man, next time I'll call you. Because actually, when you put it like that, it's like, what are you supposed to do? And I wasn't working with him. I was hanging out. We went to a shitty, super shitty. It's bleak, man.
The way Bob Dylan, when he came up, there was all these cafes in downtown New York and the music. And now I was trying to find the folk scene in modern-day Manhattan. It was brutal. Oh, I think in Manhattan, probably. Maybe, like, somewhere in the village, probably, right? Yeah, but it was brutal. It's still rough.
I mean, I went to Cafe Wah, where Bob Dylan came up, and it's just, like, Aerosmith covers now. So some guy goes, Dream on!
And you're like, oh, man, this is not how it was. Dream on! It's just, it has like a small Aeropostale in the back, kind of. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's kind of a bummer. Did you have to meet Bob to get into this?
I never got the chance to meet him. Not yet at all? Oh, he's super reclusive, yeah. He's elusive and reclusive. He's that reclusive? Yeah, I don't know if he'll ever see the movie. Yeah. He did this X-Post, I've been taught to say. It's not Tweet anymore, I guess. Fucking X-Post. But he did it like three days ago, you know. And that was more than... He...
There's a movie about me opening soon called A Complete Unknown. Timothy Chalamet is starring in the lead role. Timmy's a brilliant... Timmy is a brilliant actor. I kind of respect it, though. Nice. Honoring your youth. Timmy's my 12-year-old expression, dude.
timmy's a brilliant actor so i'm sure he's going to be a completely believable as me or younger me or some other me the film's taken from elijah wald's dylan goes electric a book that came out in 2015. it's a fantastic retelling of events from the early 60s that led up to the fiasco at newport after you've seen the movie read the book oh it's nice super sweet
So do you even talk to him on the phone or anything yet?
No, nothing. I never got the chance to talk to him. I like that you pointed out the Timmy. I tried, you know, when I was 19, 20, I was, you know, I was evolving into Timothy. You said some letters. Exactly. Add some letters. Add some letters from Timmy to Timothy. Yeah, I thought you were going Tim. Sorry. Tim would be, you know.
You're going Timothy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, 40s, 50s, couple ex-wives. Then you go Tim. Then you go Tim. You know, I'm like mowing my lawn all day. Yeah, hey, Tim. Exactly.
Missed a spot.
Missed a spot. You're like, oh, there's a bird's nest there. Calm down. Sort of a disgruntled expression on my face watching my kids' sports games because they're not playing to the level.
At a swim meet too. At a swim meet. Swim meet's the worst because you can't even talk to the person next to you because it echoes so much in the room. I've never been to a swim meet in my life. Even if you whisper a little, the people hear it. It travels. Yes. It travels. Oh, you cannot gossip.
How many swim meets? You go to Lipscomb College swim meets? I mean, I don't go to that. I've been aside. Yeah, be careful, dude. Yeah, I do.
You're right. And it is. And I definitely watch from my car with binoculars, so it's not too creepy.
So it's normal. It's totally normal. So the fact you've been doing it since your early 20s means that, you know.
Yeah. It's cool.
I've got a grandfathered aunt. Your grandfathered aunt.
That guy's not a pedophile.
He's an artist. He's an artist. And this show happened, you know, this show sprouted in this period of you doing that. So how can you fault the process?
The proof's in the pudding. Yeah. How do you expect him not to rehearse his own life? But yeah, that's the thing. You just can't gossip at a swim meet, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are we talking about?
I don't know. I've never been to a swim meet. You know, that's a very non... You know, like there's four pools in New York City. Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean? That's true, huh?
We don't have swim meets, but we have...
What do you guys have there? We play dice in the alleys like you were saying before.
No, I'm kidding. But, you know, I was talking about this the other day. Like, my high school, they wouldn't let us out for lunch. Would they let you out for lunch or no? Oh, yeah. You could do whatever you wanted at lunch. They didn't let us out. I feel like my skin tone from when I went into high school, by the time I got out, I looked sickly. I haven't recovered.
Oh, it got very, you got kind of like, yeah, very... Anemic. Yep. Anemic. I'm sure. What else is it called? Kind of Boo Radley-esque. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. You know. Yeah, because they should give you at least an hour in the sun. They give it to inmates. Yeah. And just because I'm learning social studies, I don't get it. I don't get it. Exactly.
And then I'd be in the basement doing, just acting all day. Just because I'm learning fucking Voltaire. I don't get 40 minutes in the sun. Yeah, I don't get 40 minutes in the sun. Nothing. A raisin got in the sun. Hey. I don't. Hey, that's a good play. Now it's right there, man. Denzel Washington, baby. I will accept that. I will accept that. Denzel Washington. Thank you very much.
I heard you're a big play guy. Really? No. Oh, thanks. I was like, God, I don't want that going around. Hey, man, listen, that's the subversive. No one would expect it. That's very low key, dude. Is there theater in Nashville?
Yeah, there's got to be. There is a theater program. That's a good question. I grew up in Louisiana. We had some theater. We just did like- Did you ever do theater growing up? Yeah, I did. I did. Well, it was just called Drama Club or whatever, and it was a lot of people who was- It was a lot of people, I think, that wanted to be actors, and then a lot of people that just were kind of like-
The Outsiders.
Yeah, Outsiders. I went to the high school, it was the opposite. The drama kids were the... Oh, the cool kids. Yeah, and the basketball kids were like... No. There was like four of them. Bro, that's got to be interesting because a lot of people don't get that opportunity.
No, it skewed my perception of the real world because then I got to Columbia and I was like, oh shit, the value system is totally different, you know? But actually, in a serious way, it kind of motivated me to go pursue my acting even harder. But did you ever think about acting? You're like, what's the exchange rate on this Hamlet scene I have? No, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Yeah, I did just some stuff at school, but I would always mess it up. Like we did like Sherlock Holmes or something. And I was like Watson or whatever, his buddy or whatever. It's like his, his man crush, whatever. And our, our guy was very like progressive. So we try to make it there to be like this small, like lover scene or, or just like some, um, ambiance between Sherlock and Watson.
You didn't go for it?
I don't know if I went for it or not. I was like 13. You got to be bold. You got to go out there, man. You got to be bold.
You got to be bold. You would have earned the respect of all your classmates. Or actually, I don't know where you're from. Who knows?
It could have gone either way. But yeah, there was this definitely kind of romantic where they're looking for the clues and they end up kind of finding each other. That's what the guy said. And I was like, this seems like insane. But you didn't do it.
I tried my best but then I remember the first night I got out there on stage I took on this Latino accent for some reason it's a strong choice man and nobody knew it was coming perfect and I was like what's up Holmes you know and then so yeah that was just and that's when I realized it was tough for me to be in some ensemble things I just wanted to be by myself you know like that kind of thing would you do a movie if it came your way
Um, if I've got to make it.
Yeah. Myself. Okay.
All right. You went, you don't want to be slotted into something.
I don't think so. I just am super protective about myself for some reason, which may seem kind of weird. I don't know.
For some reason, for some reason you had me on. That was a bad choice.
Yeah. No, a good choice, dude. Yeah. Um, who, so in New York when you were a kid, like who was your best friend? Best friend growing up. Nobody, man. I was always pursuing acting, dude. Were you really?
I was born, I was bred at Warner Brothers Studios in a little embryo fluid. It was just like that? Yeah, no, man, you know, probably Brett Goldstein, you know. A kid in your building or something from school? No, he was a kid on the Upper West Side and my older sister was friends with his older sister, Brenna. And just, I think they still live there. Greg and Bess, those are his parents.
And Brett, you know, that was my whole friend group. Then they all, my whole friend group went to this school called Computer School. And then I went to a school called Booker T. Washington. So I lost my, I lost my friend group there. But. And you have a roommate now? No. You don't? Thank God, man. That's like more than that. Sorry. No, I mean, but fucking that's more than anything.
That's what Jezelnik says on Netflix. He says, you really made it when you don't have a roommate anymore. Oh, yeah.
That's true. Oh, in New York.
In life.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I think – well, especially in New York because it's so expensive. In other places, some people get a roommate because they just get maybe lonesome or whatever.
Do you have a roommate?
I don't have a roommate. I would like to get one or I would like to get a wife maybe this year or next year.
How do you go – 2020 wife.
That's what I'm calling it, dude.
2020 wife. How do you go about that? I think getting out there and meeting people. Do you have friends that you trust, that you would trust like to set you up?
Some, but sometimes you're shocked at who they'll set you up with. Really? Like you're insulted? I mean, you're just like, well, we must think that you think differently of me.
How so? Give me an example. Just like. No names, but.
Just somebody put me all with like a. You know, just a woman head, like, you know, any way I say this, I lose here.
Okay, all right, all right, all right, all right, enough said, enough said. Just people that there was no... How do you do this format? Like, you're never nervous that people are going to watch that you're talking about?
Yeah, but I just make sure that I just try and don't say anything that would be really mean about somebody. So right there, it could have got weird.
Right, and you send, you'll send scary people after people, you know. Oh, well, I mean, we'll... You'll send guys in suits outside people's houses, make sure they don't...
There's a podcast sphere out there that things get handled or whatever. I don't want to use that term. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's terrifying. There's no lawyer involved. I'll say that. You're just winging it. The Lord is our lawyer. That's some of these people's motto.
Right, right, right, right.
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When you go into a role like this, do you start to think like, so a lot of younger people will think, that you're Bob Dylan. You almost become, you almost take a piece of the person's existence in a strange way. Does that make any sense to you?
Yeah, man. Yes and no, you know, because I've become such a fan of his that it's not like I feel like I'm a blemish on the legacy, but I... No, not at all.
That's not what I mean. Some people are going to think you are... When they think of him in the future, your face will come into there.
I'm just saying that even if I have a healthy amount of self-respect, it's never going to come close to who he is. So I like the idea that I could be a bridge. But I had a buddy that said the Johnny Cash movie, Joaquin Phoenix, who is the same director who walked the line, he said, you know, I actually like Joaquin's versions of Johnny Cash's songs better than Johnny Cash's songs.
But I never wanted that. Sincerely, I don't want that to happen here. And I wanted to protect against it because Bob's got this raw voice. He's got this iron voice. And I never wanted these songs to be more gentle than his songs. And I had to fight against that because the recordings we made, a lot of them were super... It's hard, man. He was playing on a beat-up guitar with shitty recorders.
He had a bronchitis in his early 20s. His voice was all fucked up. And I didn't want it to be watered down. Because he very purposefully was... He liked Jack Kerouac and Moriarty. A lot of the books I read said he didn't have great hygiene or stuff like that, so I didn't want the movie to be watered down all of a sudden.
Right, you wanted to honor him as much as you could. Yeah, exactly. But also without being him as much.
Yeah, not do this Hollywood version, basically. Right. Because these biopics, it's a fine line, man. And I've never done anything like this. I usually play a role. Actually, sort of. Yeah, Wonka you did, kind of. Yeah, Wonka I did, yeah. But that's maybe not real. No, but it's real. Yeah, thank God.
but don't tell the children thank god thank god no you know probably have to get psychiatric help but um but uh no but and there's a certain pressure with that Wonka too people are like very protective of characters they love you know they don't want and there's sort of like a cynicism about Hollywood you know about like why are they keep revisiting um the Wonka thing I felt was justified because it's a new story we weren't doing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory we were doing sort of an origin and uh
By the way, I don't know if you've seen Wonka. Have you? Yeah, which one have I seen? Yeah, I've seen all of them. You watched it while you were in the car spying on the list. You had it playing on the audio.
First of all, if you've never seen the Wonka movie, you just listen to the audio. That's a little bit. That's already weird, too. It's kind of. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.
They had Stevie Wonder at the movie last night. Oh, really? Yeah.
Interesting bridge right there. No, but I was saying the same thing, man. Yeah, it is, right? Like, just, yeah. Yeah. No disrespect, but I was just like, man. No, the godfather of surround sound, basically, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I heard. The premiere was pretty interesting. So, last night was your premiere. It was premiere in LA, man. It was great, you know.
Oh, dude, thanks for coming the day after your premiere. Yeah, that's why I was a little late. I apologize, man. Were you guys up late?
We were up late, and I basically, I shot this movie, Marty Supreme, all of a fall. These crazy directors, or crazy director, Josh Saft. You ever see Uncut Gems?
Oh yeah, so good.
That director. So it's kind of that energy, that chaotic thing. So it wasn't like a low energy shoot. This was like 16 hour days for three months. Then I went right into this. So I haven't been like drinking at all. Not that I ever really had a problem with it, but just, you know, cause these days and I actually find my mind is so much sharper.
I'm amazed I haven't gotten sick through this whole, like last couple of months. But last night I did have a couple of drinks. I'm kind of fried today, man.
Yeah.
I'm sorry. My voice is a little.
No, you got to celebrate. Did you have to get up and make a speech? What's it like at something like that? I, man, great question.
It's like... Oh, here we are. Oh, man. I don't do the, I call it instant nostalgia, you know? Oh, seeing these pictures like this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean... It's kind of bizarre, isn't it? Yeah, it's kind of bizarre, man. This is good because this is – I'll say this. It's a great cast and a great director, so we all have fun. Edward Norton, man. Edward Norton should come on this podcast, man.
He's a legend, absolute legend.
Oh, yeah. He's a super legend. He was in the – You ever see Rounders?
Yeah. Do you play Texas Hold'em?
Yeah, I play it sometimes. He's good. And both of the actresses were great, the ladies in it. Oh, and his wife was in it. What's her name?
Errico – Errico.
Erico. Yeah. Yeah, they got a beautiful group of ladies in there. And men, too. Yeah, look at Boyd Holbrook, man. With the blue suit on. That's a handsome man. Is he real handsome? Yeah, he's a stud. Well, dude, you're kind of a handsome dude. You are, man.
Look at that. Calm down, brother. I've seen so many people ape your haircut. Really? Yeah.
Oh, yeah, there's a lot of freaking thieves out there. How long have you had it? This haircut I've had for probably... It's a little dicey today. I've had it for probably, well, I had it as a child. Oh, no way. So this goes back. Oh, yeah. And then I tried to, like, blend in, like, whenever I moved to Hollywood and stuff, and it didn't work for me. And so then I tried to blend out.
Oh, so you started in L.A. before Nashville. Yeah. Yeah, I lived out here for 12 years. I was doing stand-up comedy. This is where I started doing stand-up comedy. Oh, yeah, where? At the Comedy Store and stuff like that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Comedy Store. It was awesome, man. I really enjoyed it.
And a whole, like, sort of generation of comedians came out of there then, huh?
Yeah, and that was like, yeah, all types. They had like Chris D'Elia, Tom Segura.
Is that a bigger comedy base here than New York, you think?
That's a good question. You know what's so funny? They're totally different from each other, and some people in one don't even know the people in the other. Because the audience is different, you think? It's just a total different group of people. Like you go there, and it's almost like it feels like you have to start all over.
It's just a total different – Like I'll go into a club there, and it feels like – A whole different thing. I'm walking into a club for the first time.
In New York, you don't think you get the love you get out here?
I think you'll get a lot of respect, but you just feel that way. It's not your territory, you know? Right, right, right. And you want to give respect to the guys that that's their grounds that they walk on every day.
Interesting, interesting, interesting.
Because that's where they live. Like if somebody came out and was like being real flashy, but they're not in your kind of club here, it would be the same way, I think. Interesting. So there's a lot of code of conduct like that. Would you ever do Saturday Night Live? I don't know, man. You know, it's so funny. I went and saw it recently.
It's crazy, right? It's a crazy setup.
It is crazy. You did it? Yeah, I've done it twice. It's super dialed in, right? I should have known that. Oh, yeah, dude. I went with Chris Farley's brother. It was the first time that he'd been back to go to SNL since his brother was on there, since he'd went with him. What was that like for him? Dude, he told so many great stories. I wish they'd have put him out on stage.
I was like, have him go out there. Right. Tell his stories. It was just classic, man. But I went to watch Bill Burr. I'm a big Bill Burr fan, so I went to watch him.
Did you see the last Sandler special on Netflix? McGee performed that night, too.
Oh, sick. That was dope. Wow, yeah. And then there we are right there with Chris Farley's brother right there.
I thought that was McGee. Dude, you look like you're 23, man.
No, dude. It's true. Did he take your haircut or no? HGH, dude. No, no, no. I got to get some HGH. Do you work out? Yeah, I do work out, dude. Yeah, I do. God. Yeah, I went today, I mean. That's what I mean. But yeah.
Once. Works out once.
What else do I want to know about this film? So you didn't hear anything from Bob. What about like his wife or his kid or something?
No, his kids, you know, almost towards the start, Monica, who plays Joan Baez in the movie, she was in touch with Joan the whole time. And I thought about reaching out to his kids, but the thing is, when somebody gets revered like Bob at some point, he becomes this legend, you know, people can sanitize the past. What do you mean by that when you say that, just so we know?
They could present the best version of someone, you know, and not present their flaws. Even a lot of the documentaries about Bob, they just paint him as a genius. There's one documentary called Don't Look Back, the D.A. Pennebaker one, where you actually see him raw. It just captures his behavior.
And it was sort of right before he got too famous where he turned his back, you know, on letting himself be filmed. And so that was like the biggest help for me. And I thought about talking to his kids or his grandkids, but actually I was at the University of Minnesota like three days ago. We're doing a sort of a screening for the students there. And then someone said, this is Milo Dillon.
This is his grandnephew. And he looked like, kind of looked like Bob. And he said, can we get a picture? And then he put his finger out and he said, you FaZe? And then I said, well, like the video game, he said, no, nevermind.
Hmm.
So even all the Dylans are unique. Yeah, I don't know what that means. You phase? I don't know. You phase with the finger like that. I don't know. I mean, I know phase banks. I don't know a lot of the phase guys. I know the one of them gave CPR to Sketch one night or something when he wasn't doing good. Whoa. But anyway, shouldn't have said that out loud.
Who's Sketch? I don't know who Sketch is.
What's up, brother? That guy. Did you see him? No. Oh, my gosh. Wow. It's crazy how different worlds are so different, dude.
Sketch him. No. Oh, my God. No. Oh, yes, I have. I have. I have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that brother? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been on this.
Oh, yeah, he's been on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a great bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is so creative. He has one of the most creative minds I've been around. Yep. Just like he has his own pentameter of making jokes and stuff. It's pretty fascinating. Is he a stand-up? Nope, he's not a stand-up. I think there's this new thing that goes on now where as if somebody's – It's interesting.
What's going to happen with stand-up? Because stand-up has been this thing that people always go practice and then they go do. But now a lot of people build so much traction from social media. Yeah, they pop off like that. Right, but then how do you take that and perform it? Is there a performance element? Yeah, it's a whole different thing.
Some people on their podcasts are, granted, stand-up is different, right?
Yeah, it's different.
Do you feel like stand-up's in a golden era? I feel like it's like boxing. I feel like Netflix kind of made it
you know sexy again in some way yeah i think well the news got like very um all the same i feel like and it got very i what a lot of people believe maybe um commandeered by advertising in a way right right right right some of that happens it's capitalism so i think podcasting was just this like became this open format yes yeah yeah yeah where it was like okay also you know that you're really resonating in some way yeah right because it's not dollars that or it's not like
Well, especially in the beginning for the first like four or five years, you're not really making any money. So it's like you're just doing your best. You're just keeping it. And then at a certain point, like people will say, well, if you're not going to say what I want, then get your advertising off of my network.
That's a risk, man. I mean, it's a risk dollars wise, right?
Oh, it's a risk dollars wise. Yeah. I mean, Dana White was on here one time and one of our episodes got pulled down because of we had Bobby Kennedy on this political friend, a buddy of mine, but who also ended up going into politics, but they didn't want to be associated with it or whatever.
And, uh, anyway, Dana was on and he said, what, what, who called and said they, and we were like, it was this, um, Kellogg's it was biking company or something. No, it was like a proton or whatever it's called. Peloton. Peloton. Interesting. And dude, next thing you know, people all across the country were throwing Pelotons into the Boston river. Yeah.
Well, they give you heart attacks too.
Do they really? Well, that's not going to help them.
No, no, based on that Sex and the City, you know, Mr. Biggs. That's how he died.
I didn't see that.
You see that he died on the Peloton in the episode. He dies in the episode, and then their stock crashed because people thought it was killing. And they obviously had to sign off on that. I guess. That wouldn't be a good idea. That's a real thing, right, Mr. Biggs? I think.
Can we see that?
Yeah, we're pulling it up.
Anyway. Oh, there he is. Oh, yeah. That's what happens when you. He married Samantha, huh? I don't know about this show. Yeah. What else was I going to think about? Oh, when you think about, so I just want to make sure that we get a lot about this film and what I thought that was. Yeah. What did you like about it?
And you don't have to, you don't have to, you don't have to like the movie, but were you, did you know anything about Bob Dylan before or no?
Nope. Well, yeah, I know some of his music. Did your parents or your mom listen to it? Oh, yeah. My mom listened to it. This kid I grew up with, he would play it in his room every night. He had the harmonica and everything. He was a big Bob Dylan fan. No way. My friend Ty, who I used to live with. Yeah, I mean, Bob Dylan was the first mumble rapper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, man, absolutely.
Yeah, whining with a backbeat. Absolutely. Everybody's like... you know, thinking that it was some of these other guys like Uzi Vert or maybe Kodak Black, who's just a mumbler. I mean, at a certain point, can we just say that? He's great.
Yeah, he was a mumbler. I mean, at some point he enunciated better.
Yeah. But definitely early on. Yeah, it's gotten a little rocky. I feel like it's gotten rocky recently. Which is cool, man. He might be going through some stuff too. Who knows? Sometimes it's so hard to know, you know, what people are going through.
Well, he definitely keeps it behind a screen. We don't know what's going on. Yeah. I probably said more in this interview than he said his whole life. It's mythical.
That'd be great if we had a word, like it's like a word counter for you and Kodak. Yeah. You're like just miles ahead of him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Literally. Dude, you could sneeze and be like seven words ahead of him. I feel like. You said it. You said it. What about some other... Well, I just want to think anything else about the film that was... Was it hard to learn the music?
Did you have any issues with that? Or how did you guys make that happen? Not really, man.
I had five years to work on it. So I took guitar lessons with a great... Wait, you had five years to work on this?
Wait, because you auditioned for it...
Yeah. Over a long period of time. Well, 2018, we're supposed to do it summer of 2020. Then the pandemic hit. Then I just kept working on it, kept working on it. I was supposed to do the summer of 2023. Then the strike hit, which is when I was coaching. Still getting in trouble for doing my, you know, getting rid of my lisp. I'm just kidding.
Oh, when you were meeting with that guy? Yeah, yeah. In the dark alleys? In the dark alleys. Yeah. To work on the accent. Yeah, to work on your... keeping your tongue down when you say certain vowels. Down with the palate. Hey, man, you know. Do you work, you know. Years ago, I went to a voice test.
You don't actually talk like this.
Yeah.
Your voice is actually super high. When I walked in here today, Theo's voice was super high. I'm a Disney character, guys, dude. And he kept doing this weird thing where he'd rock back and forth. Oh, boy. That's how he welcomed me. He insisted that I jump on his back and get brought in here. And he put me on the couch, and then he assumed the character we all know, that is Theo Vaughn.
I actually wanted him to jump on my front, dude.
When people do frontside piggybacks, that's I've never heard of that in my life. And that's when I quit playing tennis in junior high school, I'll tell you.
But listen, you've got to be strong enough to do that. That's a good point. I could probably do it to you. I'm getting you out of your comfort zone, man. You could not do a frontside piggyback whiz. When we finish this, I'm jumping on the front.
And anybody that can draw a picture of Timothy and me... and involved in frontside piggybacking, let me know. I'll buy it from you, and we'll donate $1,000 to a charity of your choice.
And, you know, can I F you this? Like a little John Cena thing? Just for promo. Just for promo.
It's clicks. It's clicks.
I'll do it on this. Okay. All right. Then you land on that. Oh, man. You just lay somebody on this. No, I'm going to be like that, and then I'll suplex you on that.
Oh, right through there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think we should get that.
Yeah. It's that time of year, man. It's the holidays. Come on, it's the holidays. You know, this is the holidays in America in 2024.
Yeah. Are you a big holidays guy? You know what? I think it does remind me a little bit to slow down kind of, you know, which is nice because life gets going pretty fast a lot of times. Do you think you're more elfish or Santa Claus? Oh, it's a good question. Oh, I wish I could be a little more Santa. I'm more of sometimes a little more Mrs. Claus. Like I'll start bitching about a lot of shit.
About nothing. Yeah.
About nothing.
I'll just get a latch in, but I just got to slow down. It's just been like a long year. Yeah. You've been busy. Yeah. What are you going to do for, are you going to go away or anything? Yeah, I'm going to go to Louisiana and see some family. Then I might try to take a vacation for a few days. We'll see. A little Baton Rouge? Yeah, my family lives right down there.
So what about you? I'm going to be here because I've been all over the place. I'm going to New York tonight. Then I go to London and then do all this promo for the movie. Oh, you still have to promo for this movie? For how long does promo take? Well, it's coming out on Christmas, so I'm going every day, you know? But I love the movie.
That's why, you know, that's why... Shit, man, I'm trying to go as hard as possible. And, you know, and then fucking come back here and be with my family, be with my new little niece. Oh, you got a new niece?
First one?
First one. Let's go, dude.
That's a crazy moment. What's her name?
Can you bring a picture of her?
We can't show a picture of her.
I don't even think... I think my sister's kept her offline. You know, my sister lives in a sort of like a... She's with a group of people in like a forest type thing in France.
No way.
Near Annecy? Yeah, near Annecy, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a forest. No internet. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry. No, no.
Let's check in on your sister.
You know, let's email her a meal. Let's give her a French Groupon. French Groupon. No, but she's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. No Groupons in France, man. No Groupons in France. No Groupons and a high property tax. They have high property tax over there.
Absolutely. Because it's beautiful property.
Beautiful property. And they don't want people just coming in, you know, not, you know. Just milling around for 40 bucks a month property tax. I'm in that age now where I'll chat GBT, like, what are the most attractive, low property tax places in America or around the world?
Oh, yeah. One of them was my neighborhood growing up, dude. I remember our property tax was $8 one year. My mom paid in cash, dude, right out of her purse. I was like, where do we live at?
Wait, who'd she give it to?
The guy that came by. Was it a legit guy, you think? He looked pretty legit. He had all of his buttons on his head.
He had a hoodie that said government. He had a couple of them, yeah. She just gave him eight bucks. Oh, man. Same thing, man. I grew up in like a Mitchell Llama. You know about Mitchell Llama? Oh, yeah, the restaurant stars or whatever? No, no, no, no, no. The Mitchell Llama is like, there's like two, to my understanding, there's two versions of like good arts housing here. You got section eight.
That means you're paying like under 800 bucks. Mitchell Llama, yep. Oh, that damn Mitchell Llama, brother. Absolutely.
Oh. That's me, baby, moderate. Mitchell Llama program provides affordable rental and cooperative housing to moderate and middle income families. You're just talking about Alphabet City, basically. Okay. Yeah, dude. Wow.
So how do you know New York, man?
I like New York. I mean, yeah, it's definitely fascinating. You ever live there? No. I'll just stay there for like maybe three months at the most. I would live there. If I get a wife and she lives there, I'll stay. I'll go live there.
What's the ideal, you know, what does she look like both inside and out?
Well, she looks like, probably looks like a nice lady, I think. Let me think about the rest of it. Probably maybe played volleyball, maybe didn't. Maybe likes to be a mom, maybe. I don't know, dude.
She's looking for... Likes to laugh, has a good sense of humor.
Okay. Because people that laugh get jokes usually. You can't... Unless something's wrong with you and you just laugh every now and then. Right, right.
Could she do somersaults?
Ooh, I hope she can, but I'm not trying to be some kind of pervert or whatever, but I wouldn't mind seeing one every now and then, especially if it's holidays or whatever and she wants to...
you know pop off a damn b handspring or something for everybody cuts into some lackeys or whatever i'm down for it um so yeah i think i'm open to a lot of different things i think yeah you know and like handstands and shit i mean okay i don't know what you're gonna get here
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So I think, yeah, it's like, I just don't, you know, I think more will be revealed about who the lady could be, but I'm also just being more open to it. You know, it's like, you gotta be open to that, to get a wife, to be like, oh, I'm gonna get, you know, I'm gonna have a wife and be with the wife. You gotta be open to it, brother. Yeah. You gotta set the, you gotta set your life up. Yeah.
And how are you going to get divorced if you don't get married? You know what I'm saying?
Absolutely. And those are two crucial chapters of life. Is your home, you know, wifeable? Not currently. Is there like shit everywhere when you walk out? No.
No, my mom's organizing. I got my tree up right now. Nice. You got a tree. I got a box of gifts. There's a lady that I don't even know who has sent me a box of Christmas ornaments for the past four years. Sweet. It comes every year. I put them up on the tree.
And it's got a little mic and a camera in there.
There's the... Yeah.
She's just... Bro, that's such a good idea.
Yeah.
She's just watching you watch...
Every Christmas it's called, it's a murder movie.
It's a murder, yeah.
Or it's just some movie about, it's about somebody who used to love somebody and they're watching their family now. And they send them this random box and people put it on their tree, they don't know. Yeah. And it has a camera in it.
And it has a camera in it. Yeah. Write it, baby.
I'm not gonna, but we did, that's it.
What do you watch on Christmas? What would the camera see you doing?
Well, we're supposed to do Christmas caroling this year with a couple of fellows from the gym, actually. And so we're supposed to practice on Friday. And we just hired a cool brother over there in Nashville to help us learn some of the lyrics. I love when you say that, man. Oh, yeah. We're excited about it. There's all brothers going, so you got to respect the culture, man.
You know what I'm saying? Oh, man. But yeah, and then what are we going to go? Oh, I watched Family Man. Have you ever seen that one?
No, I've never seen Family Man.
With Nicolas Cage? Nicolas Cage. It's a great movie. One of the greats.
Have you ever met him? No, man, but Matchstick Men is one of my favorite movies ever. Yeah. You know, Nicolas Cage, man. What a life. But yeah, I'd like to get a wife maybe.
What about, there's kind of a love triangle in the movie. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a... So the women's Joan Baez. Joan Baez and Sylvie Russo. Is Sylvie Russo, was she an artist? I couldn't tell.
Yeah, she's... Her real name's Suze Rotolo in real life, but the real Bob Dylan was still very protective over her. She was never really famous. So that was one of his big script notes. He said, change that name. And, you know, just... I think he felt protective over her legacy in some way. And so he had some notes about the script. Yeah, exactly. The love triangle is sort of one of the big...
You know, like we do these Q&As for the movie now, and people will say, was Bob, was his behavior towards the people that he was in a relationship with in his life, you know, it's definitely complicated. But my answer is always, he was focused on his art, first and foremost. Also, this movie's about people in their early 20s. You don't really have life figured out, especially in relationship then.
Yeah. Stuff is a mess at that age. So it was kind of between these two women in the movie, and Joan Baez is a musician and artist, ambitious the way Bob would have been, and Sylvie's really the more grounded character. I think what Elle Fanning does in the movie is incredible. You kind of see the movie through her eyes because she's not one of these famous musicians.
She's really just a real person and is, you know, deeply affected. Right.
Yes, she was very effective by Dylan in the movie, or her character was. Yeah. That was interesting to see.
Yeah. And the things that pulled... Well, she's the only person in the movie that doesn't have a transactional relationship with him. Right. Really loves him for who he is. And, you know, that was our theory. You know, I never talked to Bob Dylan, but I feel like that's why I think he's still fond of that relationship and private about it, because...
if maybe the rest of his life could be confusing. I'm not, I don't want to speak for him, but confusing about like who's being genuine with me and who's not. She was always the clear day one. Clear candidate.
Yeah. Wow. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I found like, um, when I was watching it, um, Yeah, you're kind of rooting. It's weird because who you're rooting for changes almost from scene to scene in the movie.
Yeah. You know? Yeah, no one's like a great... Besides Elle Fanning, everyone comes off a little... Real. Yeah, yeah, hopefully, yeah.
Like flawed, but like in a human way.
Flawed in a human way, and a little... Especially in your early 20s, man, you're trying to figure out your life.
Oh, dude. They don't even, yeah.
Were you a saint in your early 20s? Dude...
No, I mean, I was a Saints fan. I'm a New Orleans Saints fan, but I was not.
You're at the game.
I mean, I had on maybe a, you know, I might have had on a Drew Brees jersey.
Drew Brees jersey on your 16th Miller Lite.
Dude, yeah, that's for sure. But no, yeah, it's like, yeah, how do you even start to get things figured out? But that's one thing that I liked about it. I like seeing the different – and I like that there was like, okay, what's this relationship like over here going to happen? What's this relationship like over here going to happen?
And then just seeing like – I did get a better idea of like, oh, okay, Bob Dylan was just kind of like affected dude that he kind of was maybe better than he thought he was or – Or he was actually so great and they tried to manipulate him. It was just all so confusing. And I think it was confusing to him. Exactly. It was just a lot going on.
And he seemed like a unique person and probably like a secretly sensitive guy. And so for all those things to happen so quick to him and then for him to try to figure it out and navigate what was real, I don't know.
Man, exactly. And that's something I could relate to, not in the relationships necessarily in my life, but you know, you feel like your career gets going. I don't know how you feel about that. And you want to protect your energy and, and, but you still want to have close, you know, friendships and relationships.
And, but at first it's very, it's a hard thing to navigate, particularly if you want to keep writing, you keep wanting to like Bob Dylan, you know? And like you said, he was genuinely great at it. He had a gift from God at that point in his career. He said it in an Ed Bradley interview in 2004. He's like, I feel like God was writing through me. And he says in the interview, I can't do it anymore.
He almost says it like, like, uh, like he misses it.
Yeah.
It's a beautiful moment in this Ed Bradley interview. He just, uh, he says, I can't do it anymore. I don't know how those words were coming to me. Wow. And I feel like musicians even more than actors, I feel like an actor into your 30s and 40s and 50s, as your face ages, you can keep doing great work. And the gravitas of your life lives on your face. You know what I mean?
Right, and so the more you learn in life, the more abilities you're going to have. Yeah, and the more trauma you go through, whatever. And I feel like as a musician, you can still do great shit, but it's really like a young man's game. Yeah, because you have to do all that touring and stuff as well. Yeah, and it beats you up.
For you, the movie kind of tours for you.
exactly you know I love you know it's funny we do these Q&A's so I get the backstage experience my holy shit I'm coming out man like fuck they're gonna say my name out loud I'm all excited and I come out and then as opposed to a rock star I fucking sit in a chair oh yeah and I answer like watch this and I sit down and I try to give poised answers and just make sure your posture's okay the whole time dude it's humiliating posture rocking in the house tonight that shit is so hard to deal with cause I'll be backstage and you hear the crowd like Timothee Chalamet yeah
and then I fucking take my seat yeah yeah and then I'm poised yeah you're like let's go and you sit down and I sit down dude it's humiliating it's like it's very anti uh I don't know what the word is but somebody else probably knows it but yeah I don't know it but um
Yeah, dude. You know what, though? I think it was I do think that it was interesting if you frame it up like this is what it is. It's a it's a it's a it's a few years in a man's life. That was a very interesting man who's probably written so many songs that some young people don't even know that he wrote. Yeah, exactly. I was listening. I was like, no way he wrote that. And like.
Just some relationships that he had with other artists that you may not even know about.
And sort of the first guy for me in American pop culture that said, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want.
That's a good point.
Yeah, and that was like sort of blasphemous. Like every artist through the last 30, 40, 50 years that a lot of whom you can't shout out because they basically burned so many bridges. But Bob Dylan was the first. He just wouldn't take no for an answer. He just was fired up about his art. And his perception. No, I don't think it sounds like anything.
Yeah, but it didn't sound corny because he really didn't give a fuck. And that, to me, was really refreshing to work on. Now we live in a time where not only is it hard to be rebellious about your art, but it's as much about the Coliseum's reaction. You think about a clip you like online or something you like or don't like, the first thing you do is you go to the comments.
It's as much about how people are reacting, you know what I'm saying, as it is about the actual thing.
So in some ways it's harder now.
It's kind of harder now.
Because not only do you have to manage what you present, but you have to manage also how...
I don't know what I'm saying. No, no, but yeah, I was just trying to say, and also to avoid that, that's kind of what I'm doing these days, man. You just got to like, you have to bury your head so far. Even like the pictures from the premiere, I'm just like, you know, I just try to put the shutters on because it's not healthy, man. Oh, looking at all your stuff and looking at that?
Yeah, you know. No, it's weird.
It's fucking weird. And you're not supposed to do it. No, we're supposed to be, you know, like gathering nuts and berries. No.
I sound like I'm- Yeah, well, no, they had that first guy, Narcissus or whatever, looked in the river and saw himself, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then he's like, hey, where are the ladies at or whatever? And you're like, whoa, dude, what are you talking about?
What are you talking about, dude? You're not even that good looking. Yeah, killer rabbit, dude. Yeah. Our tribe needs to eat, dude.
Make a salad, bro. Yeah, we got, yeah.
Yeah, we got people to feed. We have 17 people and our elder is fucking suffering.
Like, you're over here, like, trying to start Clairol or whatever.
Yeah, exactly.
Fucking working on your, you know... Yeah, it's like just a bunch of Dior moisturizer. Talking about lip filler to everybody.
Like, what are you even talking about? Dude, it's 300 BC. What does that even mean? Stop working on your Raya profile. Fucking help us with the fire we need to put out in the forest, you narcissistic prick. Yeah, dude, what are you talking about? Yeah, I have no fucking clue. No clue.
Um, what about other, um, because you can only do so many biopics too. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of weird. You kind of, you burned a biopic. I burned a biopic. Is it a biopic?
We don't know. I don't know. I burned a biopic and I got to go back in three months and I got to check if it's still there. And, um, no, I, You're right. I can only do so many, especially like music ones. I'll be honest. What are some other ones you think? I have a couple.
Listen, man.
Oh, ideas? No, you go first.
Okay. Like that I could do or you could do? I don't know. If I keep talking to people, why do you sit with me and just talk the whole time?
So we got to get you to say something, bro. No, I mean, well, I'm trying to think of ones you could do. You could do. I know I could do maybe.
you could do a Brad Pitt biopic you know what I'm saying put a little right there come on put a little sprinkle on it put a little sprinkle on it no maybe if like maybe a Brad Pitt like was stranded somewhere like you know maybe like a hitchhiker something no but you could you could do would you ever do Mabu you think little Mabu oh my god dude that is fucking funny that's an alternate time I'm him in an alternate timeline oh yeah because you know I used to well you know there's two ways you could have gone that's what we like to say a lot of times yeah that's me in an alternate timeline I love him bro
I don't know enough about him. I know he's from New York, though. You're right. You know, it's a great point. I don't fucking know if I like him.
He could be a dirtball. But I like some of his energy, dude. Some of his shit is pretty hot. It's very Bob Dylan, man. Just be who you want to be. That's a good point. That's how I do feel about him. It's like, oh, I feel like he's kind of unique. He kind of reminds me of like an Eminem, like when Eminem kind of like... He reminds me of how Eminem was just unique in his time period.
Maybe I'll do a little Mabu biopic. I don't know what it's about. I wonder what the tragedy of his life is.
That's a good point. It could be some crypto failure.
Yeah, he launched Mabu coin. Oh, he's going to be so pissed at us, dude. Man. Bro, sorry.
No, dude.
No, I don't know him. I mean, he's clearly killing it. Yeah. If he wasn't killing it, we wouldn't be talking about him. That's a good point.
Oh, I think he's definitely super entertaining. Yeah, and we're just joking around.
And he started that conservation fund for that thing. I'm sorry.
You're good, bro.
Dude, you should be a politician, dude. You're good. I was acting. But what are that? Or maybe Abraham Lincoln's son or whatever? I could be Abraham Lincoln. Me or you? You. What about if you— Abraham Lincoln's son? Who was Abraham Lincoln's son? Dave Lincoln. That's a ridiculous idea. It was Dave Lincoln. Was it? Dave Lincoln. Was it really? Or Ricky Lincoln? Who is his son? Tad Lincoln.
Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Go to his information. Let's see him. Wow. Dude, you could be Tad Lincoln. The fourth son of Abraham Lincoln.
What was his... Born with a cleft lip and palate. I'll work with Tim Monick. We were talking about earlier. I'll work with Tim Monick on it, you know, and hopefully there's no strike.
And imagine his father gave some of the greatest speeches and here he is. And he has this kind of like a little bit of a... like a disfigurement or some impairment. And he's like, how do I overcome this to say something as important that my father said?
Did he ever? Did he ever?
We could change it.
We could just give him the speech. They were considered notorious hellions, him and his brother Willie. He was sick a lot. He got typhoid. A lot of people were getting sick back then.
Yeah, easily. You caught a frisbee that was dirty and you were down for two months. He went to see Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp. Oh, wow, on April 14th, 1865, Tad went to Grover's Theater to play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp while his parents attended the performance of Tom Taylor's play Our American Cousin at Ford Theater. That night, his father was assassinated.
Wow, so he was at- That could be my big scene.
Yeah.
And you finally run up to him as he's done. Yeah. And you say something super important.
Who's playing Abraham Lincoln?
Huh? I don't know. We got to get somebody good.
Pa's dead. I can hardly believe that I should never see him again. This is some heavy shit. After the assassination, Mary Robert and Tad lived together in Chicago. We died at 18, dude. I can't. Come on. Holy shit. Tuberculosis. This was a waste of a pitch. Pneumonia and congestive heart failure. You could do it, man. I think you could do it.
Yeah, age me down a little bit. Or Jim Carrey. I think I could see you playing a Jim Carrey one day, too. I was thinking about that. He's brilliant, dude.
He's so brilliant. Have you seen his... He went to some fashion event in 2018, 2019. You see this red carpet interview? It's the biggest not-give-a-fuck interview of all time. Yeah, if we have enough time. We should add 20 minutes to this anyway if we can. This is the greatest. He looks so dropped into being himself.
Yes. I've covered a lot of fashion weeks. This is the first time I've run in to Jim Carrey.
Controlling the room.
You need a date to the party? What's up?
No, no, no. I'm doing just fine. I just, you know, there's no meaning to any of this. So I wanted to find the most meaningless thing that I could come to and join. And here I am. I mean, you've got to admit, it's completely meaningless.
Well, they say they're celebrating icons inside.
Do you believe in icons? Boy, that is just the absolute lowest aiming possibility that we could come up with. It's like icons. Do you believe in icons? I don't believe in personalities. I don't believe that you exist, but there is a wonderful fragrance in the air.
Even when she doesn't exist, he's still trying to flirt. That's the best part.
He's like, you're invisible, but let's smash.
Yeah, no, I don't believe in icons. That's good, man.
I don't believe in personality. That would be an interesting guy to play because that's really cool. That's a cool scene to play if you could do that. Yeah, and I think he's had a crazy life. Yeah, what his life was like. Yeah.
I mean, he was the biggest, biggest star.
Bigger than anything. Bigger than anything, right? In the 2000s. Oh, yeah. And he had a show called In Living Color before that that was like Jamie Foxx was on it.
Yeah, he was like the only white guy on it.
Yeah. Right? It was him, yeah, and they had a... Now he's become an artist. Yeah, now he's an artist. But it's just interesting to get all the art out of your system, you know, because some artists – I think that's kind of what he – I think that's what he feels like.
I saw an interview with him today, Sonic the Hedgehog. They said, why did you do this? He said, for the money. What a life. Because when Bruce Almighty was coming out, I mean, really, he was like the biggest. Oh, yeah.
Wow. What about, do you feel like you have to be like, because you're kind of like the it guy, like the it younger guy in Hollywood. For sure, for sure. You know? But does that feel like... I don't know. And I know it's like, do you, how do you, and a lot of that is a lot of times curtailed by like the industry.
Like you're like, you have a pretty, like I thought you'd come with like in a tank or something like you drove over here by yourself. Yeah. So definitely, um, kind of, I guess.
maybe against what i was thinking which doesn't mean anything um but do you worry about how do you still be yourself and find yourself at a time when you could be so maneuvered by um so many bigger listen man not to bring it back to the movie but that's where bob dylan's so influential no this is perfect no because bob always followed his path and what's interesting about the movie industry instead of like as opposed to the music industry the music industry you write your own music you know
and it's direct to the consumer in some sense. Like, you do whatever the fuck you want, and if people are vibing with it, you'll know, and whatever. In the movie industry, you do kind of have to, you gotta be reliable. You know, a musician, you show up whenever you want. They could be a rockstar to show up four hours late. If you're three hours late to a movie, they gotta call insurance.
You cost a million dollars now, you'll never work again. So there's a part of the job that's obedient, in a sense. But the best art and the best shit we see is stuff that, you know, is- People showed up for. People showed up, but also where they broke rules in a sense. I was just talking to – Oh, yeah. Yeah, and so it's a fine line, and I look at it like this.
This is my inner Tom Cruise where I want movies to be seen, and I don't want to live an unobedient life, but I also want at a time where maybe Hollywood or a movie maker has got a perception of like – sometimes being out of touch or something, or definitely like awards type movies.
I want, especially a movie about Bob Dylan, I want, in all the movies I work on, that's why I did Dune, that's why I did Wonka, and I'm proud that those movies, I know I'm not supposed to pat myself on the back, but those movies were big, you know? Like in the movie industry, or the movie business, brick and mortar theaters, they don't, they don't do the business they once did.
Some of that's inevitable because of streaming, but I want to put my best foot forward. You gotta, you gotta give back to the industry that gave to you. That's really my MO.
And that's why I'm, that's why I'm here that, you know, you know, um, otherwise that's why you can't be the reclusive figure that Bob Dylan or Daniel Day-Lewis or these guys were because the, the, the, it's not about the bottom line, but the, the attention isn't guaranteed the way it used to be. You know what I mean? I hope this doesn't sound like too inside baseball or whatever.
I want inside baseball. I just, you know, you're like a real thinker, you know? So it's not like you're going to give some answer that isn't traveling through your thoughts and you explaining stuff. So that's perfect. There's no wrong way to answer it. It's a weird thing. It's like...
Yeah. And then also I had a full ass real life before my career took off, like in the East village in New York. So, um, not that my life isn't real now, but like obviously on these press tours and stuff, the days are micromanaged in some way, but man, you, here's the thing. That's another thing I say, like as a musician or as a pop star, whatever, Your music can be about your erosion of humanity.
It could be about, hey, I'm driving this car, and this is the crazy lifestyle I live. But if you're an actor, if you lose your sense of humanity, if you lose your stink, for lack of a better word, people will see that on screen. You do see it on screen. Oh, you see them too fancy. You see them out of touch. People are going to know.
That's why the Safdie movie I just did, man, he put me through the ringer. Really? Oh, yeah. I felt like he was testing me early on.
What does that mean? So a director can kind of put you through some fucking shit?
Yeah, look, Josh knew me since I was 21. Josh Safdie?
Safdie. I was 21. Uncut Gems, that's that movie, right? Yeah, Uncut Gems.
That's one of the best movies. There you go, man. And Good Time. You know, Good Time with Robert Pattinson, he directed, too. I haven't seen that.
I'm saving Robert Pattinson for after.
Yeah, for sure. For sure. But, you know, like early on, we had stuff that could have been stunt guys on this movie, on Marty Supreme. And I saw him wanting me to do it. And part of me was like, this feels like a test, you know? And I wanted to show him. And now I feel like I've emerged from the other side with no broken bones or whatever, thank God.
And Josh, I know I'm supposed to be talking about the Bob Dylan movie, but Josh is like... Yeah, Josh is the real deal, man. And seriously, Josh Safi, he's like the modern-day Scorsese. Dang, I want to meet that guy. Oh, dude, you would love him.
That's him? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I would like to meet him.
Dude, he could play Abraham Lincoln.
He could play Abraham Lincoln.
And you play Tad Lincoln.
I could play Tad Lincoln. Tell him right now. His brother's an actor, Benny. You ever see the Nathan Fielder show with Emma Stone on Showtime?
No, maybe not.
That's his brother.
I've seen Nathan Fielder's show. Yeah. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. Wow, that must have been awesome, man. Because that guy, that uncle Jim's is so good. I look forward to seeing that.
Yeah, this is a crazy, crazy fucking movie.
So directors can do that. So sometimes it's like that. It's going to be a journey. It's going to be a journey, yeah. What was the biggest journey through the unknown? I just want to get the name of it right. A complete unknown Christmas day. Leave it like that. What was the biggest journey through a complete unknown on Christmas day?
It's only on Christmas you can see it. It comes out on Christmas day. Biggest journey was the music and the voice. And also I've never had my phone off the entire movie. I had three months to play this guy. And then the rest of my life I never get to play him again. So I was locked in. You're never supposed to say you're competitive, but I want, you know, there's been a lot of music biopics.
Yeah.
And I wanted to do a great fucking job, man. I love Bob Dylan. I love this artist. None of this is for granted. This little misconception about actors, too, and acting, you can have a cushy job on a TV show. If you don't give a fuck about your work, it could be a great lifestyle, right? You're making, like, high six figures, maybe low seven figures, and you're just showing up when you want.
If you give a fuck about what you're doing, these are long-ass days. Wow. You know what I mean? These are 14-hour days, six days a week sometimes, three months. Look, I know people got it way harder, but I want to feel that grit. I want to feel it. I hope people don't laugh at it. I feel like I'm the hardest working man. Anyway, maybe I shouldn't say that. You respect what you do.
Yeah, because you got to. What else is the point? I talk about this with friends a lot. This is too weird a lifestyle to be... Nonchalant about. Yeah, why do this?
Yeah.
If you're not going to go as hard as possible.
Yeah.
On Marty Supreme, I'm wearing contacts cause he wanted my eyes to be little. So he gives me real glasses that fuck my eyes up and I'm wearing contacts underneath to offset what the glasses are doing. And my vision was, my vision was basically fucked up until a day ago. Every time I took these glasses off, my, my vision was skewed. Wow. You know, um,
You're like the Forrest Gump of sight or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Sort of. Dude, Forrest Gump is... We had the Forrest Gump ping pong coaches. Same. Lovely couple in LA, Diego and Wei. Been married 40 years. Wei is a Chinese ping pong champion.
Nuh-uh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the 80s. She pretty cool? She's like... We would train... Yeah, Wei. Wei Li. There she is. There she is. That's my ping pong coach. You know, we train for three hours and then she said, let's play for real. And she's like, she's probably like 97 pounds. She's like five foot one. And she's just like, yeah. Unbelievable. You're not getting a point across. Yeah.
Yeah. A little bit of that.
Do you...
Yeah, did you have to, so your phone was off for that long, so you just locked in, and what would you do, just go to, did you sleep on set, or what do you do, what's that like?
I didn't sleep on set, and you know, method acting, that gets like a bad rap, people think it's just like a person being a prick, and obliging everyone around them to subscribe to a reality that's not real. The thing I came up with, I call it- Oh dude, that's just everybody's stepdad as well, you know? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's method acting, I need a beer!
Yeah, exactly, and you, yeah, and uh, yeah. Damn it! Give me that goddamn Miller Lite. But I call it method energy because, you know, you'd shit on me too if I'm coming off like a dick. But, you know, I just tried to, no cell phones, nothing that reminds you of the present. And try to treat it like Bob Dylan as much as possible, especially if you're playing somebody that iconic.
That was tough too. He didn't feel like an icon when he was himself. He was just living his fucking life. So if you talk to too many people, you got to avoid earworms.
Oh, like somebody putting something in your head that stays in there.
Yeah. That's why Edward Norton, I love him. He's great. Pete Seeger in the movie. But he's like, Edward Norton is a little bit his character in the movie Birdman, if you ever saw that. He's like a very confident, opinionated actor. So I would kind of have to, you know. And then he caught me watching Rounders one day. Oh, yeah. And then it was over. Then he knew he had me.
That's like, yeah, if you're watching another movie that some guy's in, you're right there.
Yeah, he caught me in the hair and makeup show. He's like, oh, you like Rounders? And I was like, all right, now we're going to talk. Oh, hold me for a second. That's a lot. I'm still jumping on you at the end of this.
Get ready. As long as it's on the front, brother. Yeah, get ready. Calm down, man. Get ready, get ready. It'll do Hollywood for you.
I'm getting you out of your comfort zone.
I've been out of my comfort zone since I was born. All right, fair, fair, fair. Yeah, I never subscribed to it. Or I never got the keys or whatever. You know the code they give you in high school to your locker? Yeah, you never got that. I remember going up to my comfort zone and being like, oh, I don't think this is it.
What's the most comfortable you've ever felt in your life?
What's a great question? The most comfortable?
Like most in your body, no drugs, no alcohol.
Probably after like a sauna and ice bath type of thing. Oh, you do ice baths? Yeah, yeah. I'll get in there, dude. Oh, yeah. I'll freaking just... I'll lay in a polar bear's ass, brother. I like it like that. Oh, yeah. I like it just brisk like that, you know? I love that. Would you go to the Arctic? Oh, yeah. I would go up there. Mr. Beast just went up there. He went to Antarctica. Whoa.
I don't know what he... He said there was nothing up there. There's not even like... You can't be like, hey, let's go somewhere, and like, no, you can't. I don't get how that stuff works, man. Where does he get the money? He's just... He's just huge, huh?
I guess. He just has a lot of just expendable income to be that guy, you know? That's the other thing, like, where I want to be humble about putting movies out there. People's attention is elsewhere now. It's quick.
Yeah, and you got to convince someone to see A Complete Unknown on Christmas Day and take the $15 or $20, whatever the fuck it is now, and instead of watching, you know, Mr. Beast in the Arctic...
well Mr. Beast has a show actually that comes out right before that like a week before but he was just we were just talking about it the other day and it's interesting yeah and it's an interesting show totally different though but one thing that's great about your movie is that first of all you just get you also just in addition to whatever's going on with the movie you get to hear like great music
Yeah. It's great music. Great, great music. It's great music. You get to remember like, um, Woody Guthrie. Yeah. Who played Woody Guthrie in it?
Scoot McNary. He's amazing. Yeah.
He's amazing. Yeah. Scoot McNary. Get a look at him before something happens to him. Yeah.
And he, and he doesn't have a line in the movie. He doesn't have a line because he's so sick. Because he's so sick.
That was pretty awesome. Yeah, we had Bernie Sanders on and he was saying that he said Pete Seeger was one of his favorite musicians.
Scoot McNary could play Bernie Sanders in a biopic. Oh, he could. Right? Yeah. Totally could. Dude, you could play Ronald Reagan's son, Ricky Reagan or whatever.
Is that a real guy?
Is that a real guy?
Probably, dude. Bernie hasn't aged. Nah, Bernie still looks the same. He's the best, dude.
He's looked the same in the last... Yeah.
He's like a real folk hero. Great point. Yeah, Bernie is... He is a folk hero. Yeah, he's folk music. Yeah, and you also forget about like what... Yeah, I mean, that's another thing about the movie. You see the challenge of Bob Dylan, like take on like music and culture.
There's this whole other cultural thing that's kind of happening in the background, like on the television and the news during the movie.
It was a crazy time. It was like the, it was the... It was a cool piece of life. It was a cool piece of life. The 60s were a cool time. When you get out of it all and it's done... I was beat on this one. Were you?
Yeah, I was. What does that really look like, a break? Do you go to like a beach and just...
No, another misconception about movies, as opposed to the academic year, it kind of winds down. You're never winding down in a movie. You're doing 14-hour days, and you go off a cliff, and it's done. In other words, you don't relax towards the end. We were doing a very important scene, and it was done forever. Yeah, I guess I relaxed a little bit. I went on vacation, but I was beat.
I was working on this for five years. This was as important to me as you going to the parking lot and spying on the swim team up there. of Lipscomb College. Nothing to see here. Exactly. I'm just recruiting, guys.
Recruiting production assistants. Do you think you would have done it more justice five years earlier? No.
Absolutely not. Also, because I had the experience in my life where I would do interviews and, you know, it's a scary time to come up with the internet and stuff. You know, you want to get it right. And Bob Dylan, his early press conferences, he was confrontational. He was basically a dick. And I thought there was something really inspiring about that.
Not that I ever wanted to be like that, but I just thought it was so different than how people are now. Yeah.
where you were you right you're just automatically cordial you just assume like well you got to be man a a i am i'm not a pretty cordial guy yeah but b um god forbid you know you don't want to be anyway so but he's these early press conferences oh you know if uh if you're tremendously bored and not watching mr b stuff watch the the the early bob dylan san francisco press conferences you know and i just thought so anyway five years working on it i got a better sense on the other side of it oh this is why he would have carried himself like that
You know, he had some wherewithal I didn't have in his early 20s, where somebody said, how do you do it? He goes, basically, I didn't want to tell anyone. You know, me, maybe because of whatever, the acting bone. Somebody says, how do you do it? And you're so desperate for that pat on your back, and you go, this is how I did it, you know?
Yeah. Yeah, I just wonder, yeah, and you get more experience that you can put into something, like you were saying earlier about acting, like you can keep doing it for a long time, you know? Exactly. Yo, can we hear any Bob? Is that a weird thing to ask you, dude? Is that lame? Like live right now? I'll try it. Go for it. All right. Hold on. Let me try it one more time. Hey, who is there?
Hold on. I got to give it. Get into it, man. Get into it. Hey, who's at the door? That's not it, dude. That's horrible.
That was pretty good. You got the nasality down. You got the nasality.
Make up a word. You're verbifying things, and that's what Bob Dylan did.
Yeah, he just made shit up. That was good, man. He verbified things, didn't he? I don't think, I'm trying to think who your music biopic would be still. It might have to be. What about Chet Baker? I would do Chet Baker. Chet Baker or... Chet Hanks, even. Dude, you should do that Chet Hanks biopic, dude. That would be unbelievable. That's a glitch in the system. Yeah, it's a glitch. Everything is.
Yeah, everything's a glitch, dude. Jon Bon Jovi, it could be anybody. Chet has a new country album that's going to come out this year, too, I think, or next year. Dude, you've got to play Chet.
Also, it would be a great excuse to get shredded.
I would just do it for the head. Just do it for that. They'll set you up with the best trainers. You've got the HGH. I could do it, man. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we want to ask or anything else that you wanted to say, Timothy.
Oh, man. No, just thanks for having me on. I'm trying to think. I think we kind of covered a lot of new stuff.
I think we covered it all, man.
Yeah.
I got to water my plants, dude. I just got home.
Wait, you have a place in LA? Yeah, I still have an apartment.
Oh, you do? Is it here? Over in Westwood. And Westwood, all right, I love Westwood. And so, yeah, I get my plants. You go to Diddy Reese? And I forget, yeah, I go over there sometimes. I go walk over there, and sometimes I would go for that, and I would just end up getting a bunch of vapes and just sitting over in my car. But, yeah, sometimes I forget to wash my plants.
I forget to water my plants, you know? And then I get home, and it's been like a month or something. Your place is ready to be wifified, man. I know. And I always water them. I'll be like, your mother left us. I'll yell shit like that. I'll be like, your mother left us. To who? To the plants. I'll just blame it on their imaginary mother or whatever. I'll be like, we would have been fine. She left.
I'm just pouring water on them. Their punishment is the water? No, the water is there. I'm giving them the water, but it would have been watered every day if their mother had left us. Oh, so you're bringing out the resentment on the plants. She left us. Who's the mother, Poison Ivy? It's just a fictional woman.
It's a fictional woman. Yeah. I feel like the next time we talk, if you had me back on, I feel like you're going to be a year and a half into a beautiful marriage and a recent father. And, um, and you will have, you will have, um,
You'll have a Subaru. Ooh. But I'll take it. You know what? If the family comes with that and that's what it takes, I'll do it. All right. You know, I'll do that. And I appreciate it, Timothy Chalamet. Thanks for all the neat acting, man. Thanks for that. Thanks for the movie about the drug, about... the young man struggling with drugs. Thanks for the movie about Bob Dylan.
Uh, and just thanks for sharing like what it takes, the commitment that it does take. Cause I do feel that from you. I do feel that the commitment that it really takes, if you really want to take this opportunity and make the most of it in your life, you know, exactly like you're doing.
I see you doing, you know, you know, so, um, you just got to go hard.
Amen, brother. Um, Christmas Day, the movie comes out. You can go watch it in the theaters with your family over the holidays. Perfect, perfect family movie. Will it be in theaters, yeah?
It'll be in theaters on Christmas Day. A complete unknown. Super proud of this, man. You should be, man.
Congratulations, brother.
Thanks for letting me talk about it, bro. Yep.
That was fun, man. Man, thank you, man.
Holy shit, that wasn't as ground as I'm sorry. Yeah! That's front side.
Hey.