On the campaign trail, Donald J. Trump and his allies left little doubt that, if they returned to power, federal workers would face layoffs, buyouts and agency closures.Now that President Trump’s plan has become a reality, dozens of federal workers explain what it’s been like to live through it.Background reading: Here’s where Mr. Trump, Elon Musk and DOGE have cut federal workers so far.Stunned government workers are facing sleeplessness, anger and tears.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Mandel Ngan/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Chapter 1: What experiences are federal workers facing during the Trump administration purge?
I think I just got deactivated on my government computer. I can try one more time. It just kicked me out of Teams. Let's see if I can open my Outlook. Yep, I no longer have access. Okay. Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah, like, I'm looking at my office. I have, again, pictures of me and my buddies in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have, like, a Marine Corps flag behind me.
There's, like, a pit in my stomach. I'm a little combat vet going to work at the VA. Like, I was like, you know, no one's really coming after us. And then, like, I thought the VA would be fine. No. Like, I'm totally fired now. So, like, I just... If I'm getting fired, like, who's next, you know? Like, I... I thought I'd be the safest, and I was one of the first to go.
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Either the deep state destroys America, or we destroy the deep state. That's the way it's got to be.
On the campaign trail, Donald Trump and his allies left little doubt that if they returned to power, they would try to make working for the federal government as miserable an experience as possible.
We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains.
by treating career bureaucrats as the enemy and by driving them out through layoffs, buyouts and agency closures.
The departments and agencies that have been weaponized will be completely overhauled so that faceless bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute conservatives.
President Trump today doubling down on his move to dramatically and rapidly shrink the federal workforce.
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Chapter 2: How did Donald Trump's campaign promises affect federal workers?
And the hiring process took almost six months for me. So, you know, I went through a lot to get the job, but it seemed like I didn't have to go through much to lose it.
Probationary employees do have rights. They cannot be fired without cause. And I know I'm not a low performer, so I started tracking every bit of work I did.
The stress is starting to build, like jobs really not secure at this point. It's like contraction in my stomach and chest. I started to like not be able to eat or sleep.
It kind of raised that anxiety for me because I knew what my career is about to be screwed over, basically.
I'm going to be completely honest. I'm a combat vet going to work at the VA. I was like, no one's really coming after us. My wife is a federal employee, too, at one of the agencies that he does not like. I thought I'd be safe so long as I just got in before, you know, there was any for the inauguration.
Are you OK with me using your name?
Yeah, I am. There's no there's no turning back now. Like, I really don't care. My name is Andrew Lennox, 35 years old. What I work for is the Veterans Health Administration. Our job is to provide medical service to either veterans or like family members of veterans. And I love it. I love everything about it.
Like I knew I belonged here my first day when I walked through the doors and like, there was a Vietnam vet that like saw a Marine Corps key chain, slapped my back, called me a jar head. It's a place where you fit, you know, once you leave the military, you do kind of feel like you're alone, but then once you're here, everybody's your family. And then.
I was at home and this new nerdy thing I've gotten into is I make scale model replicas of military figures from the war on terrorism. I don't know. A buddy at my old job told me it was fun. And he gave me a little marine mortar set for a six pack of beer. And so I started making those in my evenings for fun since it's cold out in Michigan. But yeah,
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