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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

Tue, 06 May 2025

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How far would you go for your child? What one mother did to try to prove her son was innocent of a killing she says he didn't commit. Originally aired: 05/17/2019 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

0.635 - 20.559 Brad Milkey

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

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25.157 - 30.247 Advertisement

Welcome to the True Crime Vault, home to 2020's most chilling stories.

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32.711 - 35.932 Interviewer

You spent hours and hours basically on this street corner.

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36.253 - 45.396 Doreen Quinn Giuliano

He was talking about blondes. He liked blondes. That's when I decided to go really blonde. I had to try to, you know, attract him. Catch his eye. Catch his eye.

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45.837 - 52.72 Elizabeth Vargas

But it's not what you think. Tonight on 2020, how far would you go for your child?

53.18 - 58.142 Advertisement Narrator

This far? Doing things that I think most people would think are borderline heroic.

58.698 - 69.104 Elizabeth Vargas

Or maybe borderline crazy, cooking up an outrageous undercover sting for a year and a half, trying to prove her son is innocent of murder.

69.564 - 70.524 Unknown Speaker

She's what keeps me going.

70.765 - 80.75 Elizabeth Vargas

So you believe the police arrested the wrong man? I know it. And to prove it, she's trying to take down the juror she says lied and helped put her son behind bars.

Chapter 2: Who is Doreen Quinn Giuliano and why is she significant?

274.608 - 282.015 Juju Chang

But what started as an innocent night on the town soon takes a different turn after the twosome meets Tommy Saleh and his buddies.

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282.395 - 285.498 Tommy Saleh

A bunch of us went to these bars on the Upper East Side.

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285.518 - 286.398 Juju Chang

A bunch of guys.

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286.578 - 287.439 Tommy Saleh

A bunch of guys.

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288.02 - 288.8 Juju Chang

Cruising for chicks.

288.82 - 289.361 Tommy Saleh

Yeah.

290.342 - 295.987 Juju Chang

Cruising for chicks along with him that night, his wingman from high school, John Juca. Best friends.

296.027 - 299.27 Tommy Saleh

Yeah. Hang out every day, weekends.

300.638 - 304.801 Juju Chang

They try and fail to score some drinks. Fake IDs didn't make it?

Chapter 3: What happened on the night of Mark Fisher's murder?

1780.808 - 1786.09 Doreen Quinn Giuliano

Maybe it was misguided, but definitely not too far, because any mother would do it.

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1786.29 - 1791.152 Juju Chang

You were painted as somebody who would stop at nothing to subvert the criminal justice system.

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1791.172 - 1794.353 Doreen Quinn Giuliano

As long as I follow the law, I don't see anything wrong with it.

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1794.533 - 1801.176 Juju Chang

So instead of giving up, despite the resounding legal defeat, in 2012, Doreen decides to double down.

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1801.636 - 1810.26 Doreen Quinn Giuliano

So I decided to investigate each and every person who wrongfully testified against my son. And I started off with the jailhouse informant.

1811.841 - 1826.908 Juju Chang

That's right, Juca's one-time prison mate turned informant, John Evito, the prosecution's star witness. Remember, in damning testimony, he claimed that Juca admitted to him that he pistol-whipped Mark Fisher that night before his friend finished him off.

1828.502 - 1833.407 Forensic Expert

Avito was basically putting the target right on John Jukas' head.

1833.807 - 1846.68 Juju Chang

Doreen now sets her sights squarely on Avito to try to uncover why she believes he lied on the stand. This time, she turns to a professional, seasoned private investigator, Jace Alpeter.

1847.341 - 1853.441 Jace Alpeter

I contacted John Avito. and I asked to meet with him. He was a little apprehensive.

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