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20/20

True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective

1305.675

Off the bat, yeah, we're talking a little bit of an older sample, 1992.

20/20

True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective

1310.318

Well, they have over 600 nanograms.

20/20

True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective

179.75

This girl also was severely beaten around the head and neck.

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True Crime Vault: The DNA Detective

567.534

The cause of death is being listed as strangulation.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

1160.435

Der wichtige Punkt hier ist weniger darüber, wie viel er von diesen Leuten wusste, und mehr darüber, ob er auf die Jury lieben wollte.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

1921.733

If it's true that she basically made promises to this critical witness to help him out, get him leniency in exchange for his testimony, and then didn't disclose it, that's a grave legal sin.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

2129.292

Ich denke, es ist sicher zu sagen, wenn wir alles, was wir jetzt wissen, wussten, als sie dieses Fall verurteilt hat, dann hätte sie wahrscheinlich keine Vergewaltigung bekommen.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

2430.344

I'm surprised that prosecutors are moving forward with this case. I don't see how they're going to be able to prove it.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

963.431

Eines der Dinge, die diesen Fall so mächtig gemacht hat, war, dass du seinen langjährigen Freund hattest, einer seiner besten Freunde, und seine Freundin damals, die gegen ihn verurteilt hat, für die Verwaltung.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1006.872

Police were able to get a search warrant to search the home that the two of them shared together.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1018.939

They're able to get into the house, and they search, and they find basically nothing except for a piece of paper that has T. Bennett-Goodpeace written on it.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1036.872

A good piece, the expression used to be a good piece of ass. Is that a reference to a woman he had just murdered and raped?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

104.286

She says, I know he did it because I was there.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1043.959

They're not able to identify who that handwriting is, but it moves the investigation somewhat forward.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

118.976

This was sort of like, Laverne, are you telling stories again?

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1218.314

On the strength of statements from Laverne Pavlenek, detectives got John Sosnoski to come down to the station.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

122.039

I always believed that the truth would come out eventually. I just didn't think the truth would come out of the mouth of a serial killer.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1256.95

He was cooperative. He was willing to speak with them and talk with them.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1293.633

John Sosnowski was adamant that he had never met Tonya Bennett and that he definitely didn't kill Tonya Bennett.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1301.236

That, of course, was flying in the face of what Pavlinak was saying. One of them is lying.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1309.071

Yes, if I may. I'm more than willing to help in any way that I can and clear myself and to help you people because I have nothing to hide.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1332.881

They took a hair sample from John Sosnovsky to try to match that up to evidence from the crime scene.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1347.652

The interesting part is that right after he gets released, Pavlinak contacts detectives again, and she's very concerned about why things aren't going her way. She was now...

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1380.624

Laverne contacts law enforcement again and says, oh, I have even more for you.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1386.13

She had found a strange purse in her trunk of her car.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1390.594

And it contains news clippings about Tanya Bennett's murder and also contained a cutaway piece of denim from a pair of girls' jeans.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1414.45

Killers will often take a little trophy. They'll take a little memento. They'll keep something from the victim.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1430.285

There was a head hair found on Tanya's body that was consistent with John Sosnovsky.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1442.177

It wasn't like a fingerprint. It was just a corroborating piece of evidence.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1467.858

After he is told that he was deceptive, Cisnoski begins to modify his version.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1495.095

He says that, yes, they were in the bar and that Tonya left with another guy.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1499.658

They went to a nearby truck stop, supposedly to have sex with each other.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1522.637

John Sosnovsky has moved from never knowing or seeing Tonya Bennett all the way through to seeing her dead in the back of Chuck Riley's car.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

155.227

Interstate 5 goes right on through the city of Portland. A lot of trucking. If you get on the freeway, you will see a lot of trucks.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1570.919

There was no indication at the truck stop that any room had been rented either by that man or by Tonya Bennett. He passed his polygraph.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1579.707

The Chuck Riley story in the analysis of the investigation becomes a deflection by Sosnovsky, who we believe is responsible for the murder.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

162.071

It's a trucking hub. It's also a shipping hub. It used to be that thousands of containers would come in on ships, land in Portland, be taken off and put onto trucks and trains headed elsewhere in America.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1668.467

Good evening, this was Nelson Mandela's first full day of freedom.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1694.459

One of the items that she provided for them was a piece of cloth from a pair of jeans.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1702.203

She hands them a purse that is of similar description to what Tonya Bennett would have lost.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1707.106

Tonya Bennett's mother said, no, that's not her purse. I've never seen that purse before.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1724.045

So that tells you that Laverne is fabricating evidence.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

174.622

Portland is divided by I-5 and the river. Downtown businesses and the wealth were on the west side, and then you had more of an underclass on the east side.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1740.14

She wanted him out of her life. She thought, this is the way to get this man away from me.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1745.624

When they confront her, she then implicates herself. She says, I know he did it because I was there.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1775.358

Okay, and what did you take with you when you went to see John at the J&B Lounge? Blue shower curtain.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1796.491

As you drove closer, what did you find that's subbing the ground to be? A female.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1841.425

He made her wrap up the body and hide the body in the trunk of a car and that they drove out to the gorge to dispose of the body.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1854.526

Out, and he went off into the woods with her. After dumping the body into the woods, do you recall any conversation he might have said to you? Just that I better not open my mouth if this never happened, or I will cause trouble for your family.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

187.33

Back in the early 90s, Portland was a bit on the gritty side. Definitely working class, no question about it.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1873.976

At that point, she's implicating herself. She's saying, OK, I helped him, but it was only after he had murdered Tonya Bennett.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1888.621

So at this point, the police need to really test the credibility of Laverne.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1899.309

Detective Ingram and Corson take her out to see whether or not they could make sense of the physical locations versus what her statements were. They drove her up to the gorge.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1911.415

There's a place called Vista House. That's kind of an identifiable spot.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1914.897

A well-known place that local people can see up the gorge all the way to the horizon.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1920.694

But that's not where the body was found. It was more in the surrounding areas.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1928.936

Kind of this twisting, winding road where everything sort of looks the same.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1933.577

They drove the distance from the Vista House to Laterelle Falls.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

194.475

Portland was like any other large urban area. We had our fair share of violent crimes.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1948.737

She got out and said, this is it. This is where the spot was. This is where we dropped the body.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1969.614

We have a photograph. She is standing in the forest. and the detectives swore to me they had not in any way given her a clue.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

1979.332

They brought that information back and we said, you need to go out and arrest him and put him in jail.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

200.934

Murders would really get big news coverage because we didn't have that many murders.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2002.83

This was sort of like Laverne, are you telling stories again?

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2042.341

¿Hablas español? ¿Hablas español?

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

207.519

So when big crimes happened, people paid attention in a big way.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2110.074

Correction time. That's what she said to them. Correction time.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2114.878

I mean, those two detectives, their heads must have been spinning because this was a constantly evolving story.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2124.445

And in this conversation, Laverne tells them that she needs to tell them what really happened with Sosnovsky and Bennett.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2137.908

So they then turn on the tape recorder.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2143.61

And she now revisits her trip to JB's truck stop. She went there to pick up Sosnovsky.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2161.92

Sosnovsky was there with Tanya Bennett, and Tanya Bennett was alive. Sosnovsky tells Verne that they're going to give Bennett a ride home. Bennett and Sosnovsky both get in the car.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

221.38

One of the most beautiful and impressive features of Oregon is the Columbia Gorge.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2235.062

And John wanted her to get behind her head and to pull the rope, tighten her on her neck while he was having sex with her.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2254.63

And he kept saying, hang on, hang on. I must have tightened it as I was hanging on.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

226.301

It's a place where God just decided to gouge out a big long ditch in the earth and the Columbia River runs down this gouge, but we call it the Gorge.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2276.109

Pavanek, let me ask you a question. Do you believe, sitting here today, that by pulling that rope tight, that you caused the death of Tanya and Bennett?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2303.65

Moments after telling it to the police, she turned in front of the two detectives and confessed to the daughter.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2337.253

In this final version of what happened to Tanya Bennett, she has implicated herself in the murder and she gets arrested.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

235.984

The Gorge is a place where people come to enjoy the outdoors. There's hunting, fishing, boating, hiking, just lots of fun activities to do.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2392.005

And she told me that she wasn't going to plead guilty. And I warned her that she was likely to be convicted, but she still wanted to go to trial.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2405.56

Her trial defense was that she had made this up.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2408.982

She recants her confession and says, I made it all up just to get rid of this guy.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2414.506

She says, I just wanted to get out of this abusive relationship. So you're going to frame him for murder and incriminate yourself? Who does that?

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2422.952

She did say that she was sorry about it all. It was kind of weak compared to what she had been saying.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2430.297

In the closing arguments, I argued for eight or nine hours. All of the defects in the confession, all the things that were incorrect, I was convinced that she was innocent.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2443.642

But the prosecution only had to hit the play button on the recorder and say, listen to her words.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2448.843

And did you pull it tight, the rope tight? Yes, I did. And that's what causes you to believe that maybe she died during that incident at that time?

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

246.468

The area is on all the postcards for the state of Oregon everywhere. And it's also a very common location for the dumping of bodies, unfortunately.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2462.429

We heard a lot of tapes of her making these accusations of what took place and all. She really just convicted herself. We all found her guilty, all 12 jurors.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2478.824

Now, John, he's up next for trial, but he sees this is bad. She got convicted. He believes he's going to go down. He takes a plea.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2488.84

John pled no contest to the charge of first-degree murder to avoid the possibility of a death sentence and wound up getting life imprisonment.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2498.603

Laverne Pavlenak was so convincing that I think people will tell you that John Sosnovsky himself came to believe, like, I guess that must be what happened. Because he blacks out so often, he wasn't really able to account for where he would have been or to provide a more aggressive defense, something like an alibi.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2529.217

Just before the trial started, there were writings that were made on a bathroom stall door on a truck stop or a rest area.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2547.316

I killed Tonya Bennett. The people took the blame.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2553.02

We don't know who wrote it, don't know when it was written, why it was written.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2556.862

It was classic hearsay, not admissible in evidence. So we never heard about it in the jury.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2563.846

There's somebody who's claiming credit for the murder of Tonya Bennett.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2576.627

It's the strangest case I'll have ever worked on. Too many people confessing to the same crime.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2582.252

I always believed that the truth would come out eventually. I just didn't think the truth would come out of the mouth of a serial killer.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2604.623

We thought that our case is closed and now it looks like it's anything but closed.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2611.028

This handwritten letter with a happy face scrawled on the top, a smile and two eyes. I thought, he's teasing the police. Like, ha ha ha, here I am, see if you can find me. And then he started confessing to other murders.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2630.36

This is the recovery of a body that was located over the bank.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2636.203

It's Tonya Bennett all over again. Gosh, maybe this guy did do it. Maybe these people are innocent.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2651.836

They now had not just an anonymous letter writer drawing a happy face. They had a real person.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2774.456

Every morning at the Oregonian, there would be a stack of mail. It was mostly letters and news tips, complaints. I remember that day we got a really sick one. This handwritten letter, several pages, with a, you know, happy face scrawled on the top. And, you know, a smile and two eyes.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2807.426

About halfway through the first page, the writer confessed to a murder. He named the victim Tanya Bennett.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2817.469

But we already have two people locked up in prison, Laverne Pavlenek and then John Ciesnowski.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2823.092

So it looked like a hoax. But the letter just went on for several pages, all handwritten. And then he started confessing to other murders. And another murder.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2864.875

I had to decide whether I was going to recycle it or do something with it. I decided I would give it to a reporter, a guy named Phil Stanford.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2876.465

Phil Sanford, who was sort of a muckraker in many respects, but he could be pretty thorough.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2899.209

This person says that he killed five women in the past four years in two different states, in Oregon and California.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2907.653

I called the authorities in these other locations where the writer claims to have killed women and dumped their bodies, and there were bodies in every one of those cases.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

296.075

crime scene the body of an unidentified woman was found in the Columbia Gorge but it was off of this twisting road through a very lush forested area when we got there you know I looked up the hill and I could see this ravine and that there was a body there

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2973.988

I went over everything that he wanted to report and double-checked it, triple-checked it, and it all checked out. We decided that he would report it in a series.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2985.857

Now, at that point, they didn't know who had written the anonymous letters. Phil Stanford, Zona came up with the nickname Happy Face Killer.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

2994.093

The letter was of keen interest to the newspaper, but authorities looked at it with skepticism. They weren't going to put much stock in it unless they knew who wrote it.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3018.689

I read all the information Stanford was putting out in his columns. There really wasn't anything in those letters about Tonya Bennett that hadn't been widely discussed at the trial. It was very good reading, but it was really nothing we could deal with criminally on our case.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3062.415

We're about a quarter mile, maybe a little less, into Skamania County from the Clark County side on State Route 14, which is also known as the Evergreen Highway. This is where the motorists pulled over to urinate. He had walked across the guardrail and walked over closer to the bank where it's a more wooded area where he could be a little bit more concealed from the traffic.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3094.655

So looking just down over the bank about 20 feet down there's a little vine maple broadleaf tree that comes up right there. Her body was found just next to that and a little bit uphill from that.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3107.199

This is the recovery of a body that was located over the bank.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3113.691

As we approached the scene where she was located, the first thing that I was struck by was that she was completely nude. There was no purse, there was no jacket, there was no anything nearby that could possibly give us an identity to who this person was. There appeared to be some adhesive on her cheeks and over her mouth that appeared consistent with maybe the adhesive from duct tape.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3137.014

I noticed that there's a dark discoloration on her shoulders and neck area. It could have been consistent with strangulation.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3296.53

The medical examiner ruled that the cause of death was due to manual strangulation. During the autopsy, the fingerprints were lifted of the victim. We were able to identify her as Julie Winningham.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

343.948

She had been strangled. And it was evident that there had probably been some kind of sexual assault.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3433.625

As The investigators were going out. Those interviews were being audio recorded on there. It was a little microcassette player.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3472.472

Interviewing other friends of Julie Winningham, and we're getting a picture that she had been seen with a very large man, a long-haul truck driver, drove a big blue semi-truck.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3517.608

So it's something that it was a close relationship with whoever this man was. Unfortunately, the friends couldn't remember what his name was. Do you know the guy's name?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3557.382

There were several names. Nobody actually recalled what his name was until we met with Bonnie Valenstein.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3570.31

And Bonnie tells us that she had bought a car from Julie Winningham recently.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3594.506

So, obviously, we asked to see this bill of sale. She did show it to us, and, you know, at the very bottom, not only is there a signature of this very large long-haul truck driver, but there's a printed... name above it, Keith Hunter Jesperson. And that was our first knowledge of who this long-haul truck driver was that she had been seeing.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

361.394

There was a head hair found on the body.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3631.28

We're starting to hear these things about this long-haul truck driver, Keith Jesperson. that was really starting to concern us. These were people that possibly were getting married. It was a pretty significant relationship that was being described to us, yet where's Keith Jesperson? This person's just gone. Where's this person at and why aren't they here asking questions?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

364.008

The fly of her jeans had been torn away, that was missing.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3671.491

So we just traveled to Spokane and asked to speak with the management. Just ask a little bit of questions about Keith Jesperson. They admitted that he was a driver for them.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3702.873

We identified ourselves as detectives and asked if he'd come to the sheriff's office to talk to us. He said he'd absolutely go there, no problem. And that was our first insight into Keith Jesperson because Keith Jesperson thoroughly enjoyed talking about how great Keith is.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3723.03

My name is Keith Hunter Jesperson. And your date of birth?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3752.758

A good childhood. You know, my father and mother were good people. We had tough love in our family. And my father used his belt and my mother used a wooden spoon. You know, that's the way he punished us.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3776.792

He didn't have close relationships with other kids in the neighborhood. Was picked on because he was bigger than the rest of the kids.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3819.76

Baby Huey, which is a cartoon character of, I think it's like a big chicken or something.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3824.462

Huey's going swimming! Huey's going swimming!

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3835.512

I got married August 2nd, 1975, in Moxie, Washington.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3868.839

I got divorced in around the year 1988. She packed up and moved to Spokane with the kids.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3878.422

You see him at age 26 being fired from a very important job that he had.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

388.496

When she had still not been identified, the police had a sketch made up and circulated that in the local media looking for suggestions about who she might be.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3890.965

Keith mentions this period of his marriage when things really went south. So all of this really starts creating a very turbulent emotional period for the entire family, to be sure, but particularly for Keith.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3927.99

Once Jesperson is tracked down in New Mexico, the police go and get him. And they question him. But he denies having anything to do with Winningham's death.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3957.282

Rick Buckner and I, we all were very concerned that at that stage we felt that he had killed Julie Winningham. and that we just weren't able to make the arrest yet.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

3974.008

We were going to let this guy drive away. And we're a couple miles away from the Mexican border. And so we were pretty convinced that he was going to hightail it into Mexico, and that would be the end of that.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4014.574

The plane ride back was pretty quiet from all of us, just racing through our mind what the next step's going to be. Once we got off the plane in Portland, I turned on my phone, and I did have a voicemail.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4084.372

I told Rick that she had came to his truck. They had sex and that he wanted to have sex again. And she didn't. And so he strangled her.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4128.919

When the officers got there, he followed all of their orders. He was secured and transported back to the sheriff's office.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

414.85

Good evening, everybody. I'm Steve Dunn. Here are some of the stories we're working on on the Channel 2 Newsroom tonight. We had a young woman who was dumped in the forest and brutally murdered.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4175.476

I remember him saying, there's not enough pills in this damn world that would kill me.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4248.457

The letter described basically that he had been killing for the past five years. He actually said he had killed eight people. At that point in time, we only knew that he had killed Julie Winningham. We thought that our case is closed, and now it looks like it's anything but closed.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4295.501

not just an anonymous letter writer drawing a happy face. They had a real person, Keith Jesperson.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4397.83

You're breaking the law, but you're getting away with it. And so there's a thrill of getting away with it.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4416.374

After Keith Jesperson was arrested, he was almost like running a media campaign from the prison, wanting everybody to know that he was the happy face killer.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4426.2

He reached out to our television station and said, I want to talk.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4430.663

There are eight total victims in the following states of Washington, Oregon, California, Florida, and Wyoming. You're saying that you're the happy face killer? I am the happy face killer.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4451.649

Keith, one of your lawyers says you were a difficult client because you liked the spotlight so much. You say it's because you wanted to help the innocent victims behind bars, but there are other people who suggest that maybe you just wanted to take credit for those murders.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4472.056

Well, I understand the point of that.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

448.574

Tanya Bennett was intellectually disabled. She was coping, though, and had apparently, you know, some social life.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4484.932

A lot of people describe you as a funny, charming guy, and yet you committed cold-blooded murders.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4495.757

It's just a moment in time when situations present themselves and you become what you are.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4502.267

These were women who were simply at risk. He looked for victims of opportunity.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4518.702

These women, they were daughters, they were mothers, they were sisters. They did not deserve what he did to them.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4550.812

Well, she was a prostitute. I used her services.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4555.649

Jesperson said she tried to make him pay her more money, and he didn't like that, and he choked her.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4577.767

What about Angela Cerbriz? Is she the victim that you tied under the truck?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4591.264

I felt that by dragging her under the truck that I would destroy all evidence of who her identity was.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4599.778

They had not even found the body yet. So his confession to that homicide actually led the police to the body and the details lined up with what he had described.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4622.105

It became a nonchalant type thing because I got away with it. It was like shoplifting.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4632.627

It is everything like shoplifting. You're breaking the law, but you're getting away with it. And so there's a thrill of getting away with it.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4649.952

I'm sorry it happened. Wish it never happened. It's done. It's over with.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4675.939

I interviewed him five or six times, and we got along.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4689.474

Keith told me that he had gone to the B&I Tavern to play pool.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4696.699

This gal walked over and gave me a hug like I was somebody she knew. Describe this female to me. I guess she'd be 5'6", dark hair, blue jeans, plaid shirt, tennis shoes, and a purse.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

471.872

Tanya Bennett had a history of some troubling behavior due to her lack of impulse control.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4714.306

A lot of those details did line up, but he got some items of the clothing wrong. They decided to go back to his house.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4725.417

She made some comment to him that made him angry, so he started to hit her.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4733.925

And ultimately tied a rope around her neck.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4746.535

Loaded her in the car and drove her out to the Columbia Gorge. We found no forensic evidence to link Jesperson to this crime. None.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4757.791

The detectives brought Keith Jesperson to the Columbia River Gorge.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4762.873

It was heavy brushes, like you see to my right. He said, this is where I threw the contents of her purse. Once we found the ID, we felt like we had solved the case.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4781.698

She knew details that only the killer would know. But if Laverne is not the killer, how did she know the exact area where Tanya Bennett was found?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4791.112

Tell me how you picked the spot where the victim's body was dumped.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4849.812

I washed the blood off the walls when I could and eventually painted the walls of the house I was in and tried to forget about it.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4860.18

I think there may very well have been more victims had he not killed his girlfriend.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4865.845

I had 40 good years and I had eight days of insanity and I'm being held responsible for the rest of my life on these eight days.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4877.096

The greatest human tragedy is that Laverne Pavlinak derailed the investigation in 1990. And in four years, Keith Jesperson killed more women.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4908.906

But what about that photo, which really was the coup de grace? That sealed John Sosnowski's fate. How did she know the exact area where Tanya Bennett was found?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4921.817

Just tell me how you picked the spot where this victim's body was dumped.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4942.088

Why in the world would she put herself in the middle of that and get herself in a position to be convicted for something she didn't do?

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4952.17

The way Laverne Pavlinak incriminated herself, it's like it was a real head scratcher.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

4984.696

But I really felt sorry for John. He sat there for four years in prison for nothing that he was accused of doing.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

5005.592

I'm sorry to the world. I'm sorry I am who I am. If I could go back and change everything.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

5025.781

Sadly, we forget the names of the victims, and I would rather remind people of the people who died than the people who did it.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

531.61

Not far from where Tonya Bennett lived was a neighborhood tavern called the B&I. And she was kind of a semi-regular there. A waitress at the bar remembered Tonya being in there.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

558.783

but she didn't know anything more about whether she left with them or who the men were.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

575.468

We need to check out who she's been with, who might have a motive to do something like this.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

610.46

They opened an anonymous tip line on Crimestoppers. And one of the phone calls that came in was from a woman.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

694.13

They put out more information in the media asking for tips.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

730.35

A phone call came in that was a woman claiming anonymously that a guy named John Savznovsky had been heard at a bar almost boasting that he had strangled a girl.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

752.387

They learned that John Savznovsky had a girlfriend, an older woman named Laverne Pavlenak.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

758.123

Laverne Pavlenak and John Sosnovsky were involved in a codependent dysfunctional relationship, the details of which were never made real clear. But she was really wanting to be out of the relationship.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

773.894

Laverne would repeatedly call the probation officer, kind of claiming that he was drinking too much, he was not pleasant to live with.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

816.107

There was a bank robbery where they published a picture, and she reported him as the likely suspect in the bank robbery. And the FBI investigated that case and found out that John couldn't be responsible for it.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

859.215

When police go to visit Laverne Pavlenek, they find a 57-year-old woman. She used to work at a state mental hospital.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

866.28

She was alone until she kind of latched into this relationship with Sosnovsky, who was 18 years her junior.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

895.739

She then describes, he's talked about tying me up, he plays with rope, implicating him further in what's going on with Tanya Bennett.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

971.795

She had gone through a lot of difficult steps in her life. She had been divorced, remarried. The new husband had died of cancer.

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True Crime Vault: Sincerely, the Happy Face Killer

991.929

They were an unlikely romantic couple.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1019.269

Richard Allen himself called police not long after this whole incident unfolded and self-reported being at that trail.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

109.637

I thought this was probably one of the craziest defenses.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

112.419

The defense from the beginning has been blaming the murders on Odinism, what they describe as a Nordic cult with ties to white supremacy.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1207.44

Authorities are soliciting the public's help to learn more about it. Turns out the profile picture on that account actually belongs to a male model who has nothing to do with this case, did not know that his profile picture was being used.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1316.329

About five years after their brutal murders, authorities had more than 70,000 tips that they were investigating or had investigated, and yet there were no suspects and no arrests.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1340.214

Suddenly, we learn one of the people sifting through and organizing these tips realizes that there was one tip that had been misfiled. It turns out that tip was a lifeline that investigators had been looking for.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1506.923

How'd you miss this guy? What's the evidence that's connecting him to the murders? So many questions, and the few answers that I got only gave me more questions as to why Richard Allen is a suspect in this case.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1731.98

A large part of their argument is that Richard Allen confessed over 60 times to wardens, inmates, family members, almost anyone who would listen within this prison and jailhouse setting. That's more than I've ever heard of, dreamed of. Usually you get one confession, two confessions, maybe three, but 61?

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1929.586

Having no biological evidence in a crime scene that is very bloody, grotesque, probably also very violent, is peculiar. And I think for either side, whether you're the defense or the prosecution, you've got to explain the science of how that could have occurred or how that could not have occurred.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1965.828

One of the things his defense attorneys present in court is this 136-page memorandum blaming the murders on cult followers, on Odinism, what the defense attorneys call a white supremacist cult that they believe were carrying out some sort of ritual when they killed the girls. And the defense attorneys in their memorandum

20/20

Who Is The Delphi Killer?

1990.993

pointing to certain things at the crime scene that they believe, they say, were signs of this cult. The way branches were laid around the bodies of the two girls.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

2002.324

I thought this was probably one of the craziest offenses that I've ever heard of in my experience.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

286.698

We start to hear some of the details of what exactly happened to the girls, that they were found in a pool of blood, that there was a bullet found in between both girls. Were there clues hiding in plain sight?

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

303.25

Investigators are drowning in tips, tens of thousands of tips, following thousands of leads, yet they have no suspect in hand and there have been no arrests.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

346.412

But Allen's defense attorneys raised the question, was he coerced into confessing?

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

365.336

The defense from the beginning has been blaming the murders on Odinism, what they describe as a Nordic cult with ties to white supremacy.

20/20

Who Is The Delphi Killer?

754.042

Those differences in the two sketches were very noticeable and actually created a lot more questions for the public. Was there more than one person or do they even know who they're looking for?

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

769.15

Investigators begin to release evidence and information that was captured, taken from Libby's phone, including video that shows a so-called bridge guy.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

813.086

The Bridge Guide video doesn't actually show a homicide occurring. It doesn't show a person with a gun or with a knife. It does give forensic evidence in the sense of when that video was taken, when it was stored, the location of where it was taken.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

834.11

just three simple words, chilling in the tone that they are said.

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Who Is The Delphi Killer?

891.345

If that person were standing here right now and you look them in the eyes, would you say that person?

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Bad Romance: Barefoot Witness

1219.683

It's very humid. We have a lot of flies, spring maggots. and a body can deteriorate in such a rapid pace.

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'Radioactive' - Ep. 4: The Investigators

1161.314

In my opinion, and the people that I've had working with me, there's no circumstantial evidence there to indicate that somebody may, another vehicle may have hit the car in the rear.

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'Radioactive' - Ep. 4: The Investigators

1191.239

I did not believe that the accident was caused by Karen Silkwood falling asleep at the wheel. and the car just going off the road by itself.

20/20

Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

1327.995

UM is a virtually pretty safe campus. The incident brought a lot of panic to students.

20/20

Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

1354.278

There was a lot of heartache and a lot of confusion as to why something this violent would happen to two people.

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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

1382.472

Timonica Lumpkins, she was a longtime friend of Marlon's. She was not somebody who went to school at UM. They had known each other when they were kids.

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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

1441.921

She was beautiful. She was smart, intelligent. At the time of her death, she was a single mother. She had a daughter.

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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

3257.32

Each time that these guys even consider giving up, you know, they have to think about Marlon Barnes.

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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

613.765

UM used to be referred to as Suntan U. We're the Hurricanes, but we just call ourselves the Canes for short. UM is always in the public eye because of the money and the lifestyle and the year-round summer, especially now with social media and TikTok stars like Alex Earl. We do this for the U, and it's very, very specific that you have to go like this.

20/20

Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

653.641

You are going to see every single Kane at a football game. And a lot of times, these once underprivileged kids will find themselves becoming public figures and almost superstars to a degree at UM. UM actually plays at the Hard Rock Stadium, which is very much well known for being the home of the Miami Dolphins, an NFL team.

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Death in the Dorms Season 2: Episode 3: Marlin Barnes

681.738

It is a tradition to schlep up over to the Hard Rock Stadium, and everybody is decked out in cane gear, in orange and green.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

1039.948

He's the last witness. Evito meets John Juca in Rikers Island. And according to Evito, John Juca elaborates on how he killed Mark Fisher.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

1063.384

This was an extremely dramatic moment at the trial. Nobody saw it coming.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

1587.74

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

1828.502

Avito was basically putting the target right on John Jukas' head.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

190.497

There's a part of me that's sympathetic to Doreen Giuliano. And I almost admire the fact that she stood by him to this point. But John Juca is not the victim in this case. It's Mark Fisher.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

2188.865

This deal was never disclosed. to the defense. It was never disclosed to the jury. Nicolosi's dealings with Gianovito reflect the worst in how a prosecutor can violate the rules.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

219.594

It had to be tremendously exciting for a guy from suburban New Jersey. He's going to the big city for the first time, and there are going to be some girls there that he knows from school.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

239.995

Mark Fisher was every parent's dream, a big, strapping, good-looking student athlete, a prom king in his high school, a phenomenal football player.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

2517.868

There's no question in my mind that John Juca was one of the individuals culpable in the death of Mark Fisher.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

259.156

Mark runs into a girl that he goes to school with. She brings a lot of her friends with her.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

271.628

He was following her wherever she went that night.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

304.902

No. Some members of the group, they were unable to get into the bars. So 20-year-old John Juka comes up with a plan. He says, my parents are away for the weekend. Why don't we go to my house and have a party?

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

317.572

This was an impromptu party. This was not something that was planned. This was something that just happened.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

421.389

He was more of a street kid. He didn't have the support system at home that John Joker and many of John's other friends had. He's known to be a marijuana dealer.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

434.961

At one point after Mark had been at his house for about an hour or so, it's believed that John Juca basically accused him of being a mooch. He was drinking their beer. He was smoking their pot. He wasn't bucking up.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

453.952

Shortly after 5 a.m., Mark Fisher went to an ATM machine and purchased a six-pack of beer.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

479.584

I can tell you that our detectives, when they arrived at the scene, they found a male white prone in the street, obviously the victim of several gunshots. There was some trauma to his face.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

500.833

When we hear it's a kid from New Jersey, right away you're saying, what's wrong here? And how did this person end up here? Is this some sort of a drug deal gone bad? Is this some sort of a domestic issue?

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

516.851

Mark Fisher's body is found almost in front of the house of one of the other partygoers.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

525.017

It was very frustrating because we were unaccustomed to seeing that kind of coordinated cover-up.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

682.118

They painted Mark Fisher as, you know, the boy next door that was sort of like a lamb that wandered into the den of wolves.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

766.874

Besides wanting to get into law enforcement, John had other aspirations as well. He was taking acting classes, and he had actually appeared in School of Rock.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

844.963

He had dreadlocks that he had cultivated for years. So for him to get them sheared was very suspect. And then he takes off for California a couple of days later.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

858.956

That certainly makes him the prime suspect.

20/20

True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

879.147

Albert Cleary becomes a prime suspect because he has an active case in the Bronx where he was involved in a pretty vicious beating of a person laying on the ground.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

928.745

We liked working with her when we thought she was a bulldog.

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True Crime Vault: Undercover Mother

949.761

two witnesses who said that John Juca put Russo up to the killing.

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Wild Crime: Mask of Sanity | S4 Ep. 4

725.558

Wir wissen, dass er sehr viel reist. Und er hat nicht immer wo er landet. Er landet in einem Flughafen, fährt ein Auto und fährt hunderts von Meilen.

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Road Map to Murder

1035.31

It's a beautiful place, but it can be a dangerous place. Like anywhere that's completely natural and completely wild, there are pitfalls to that. A river can easily become someplace you drown. The woods can easily become someplace you're lost. And so it's not unheard of for people to go missing in this area.

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Road Map to Murder

1135.227

They start walking around. and everything's still locked up. The grass is really tall.

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Road Map to Murder

1190.328

It was dark, so you could tell nobody had been there for a while. Every single indication shows that this cabin has been emptied.

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Road Map to Murder

1327.096

And then the question is, OK, if they're not at the cabin, where are they?

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Road Map to Murder

1448.939

He's going from neighbor to neighbor, asking them, hey, this camera, I see it. Does it point at the road? Does it see our driveway? What does this see?

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Road Map to Murder

158.955

The lakes are really core to the identity of Madison. Just being around water, being around nature is really big to a lot of people here.

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Road Map to Murder

1598.939

At this point, Chandler, he talks to reporters.

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Road Map to Murder

1608.368

He thinks people might be targeting him. He says, is someone out to get my family? I don't want to be on camera, but I want people to hear from me. I want people to know I'm looking for my parents. And so he does an interview with a reporter from our station.

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Road Map to Murder

1871.367

They start to look a little bit closer. They go into the woods, and then they see a pile that doesn't look normal.

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Road Map to Murder

1928.988

So the farm in Cottage Grove, it's Chandler's girlfriend's family. They're there over Fourth of July weekend. They're celebrating.

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Road Map to Murder

195.595

Bart and Krista Halderson lived in a community called Windsor, just north of Madison. Everyone who knew the Haldersons loved them.

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Road Map to Murder

1995.455

No one really knew he was coming. He came there alone.

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Road Map to Murder

2024.89

He doesn't have his shirt on. He comes to the pool, says, hey, can I get in the pool too?

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Road Map to Murder

2175.874

So I think it's time we start talking about what happened to your parents, like the truthful version.

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Road Map to Murder

2226.775

There's still another half of this couple that's missing. If this turns out to be Bart's body, where is Krista Halderson?

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Road Map to Murder

2243.792

No one's seen Krista. No one knows where Krista is. But they also haven't found a body. So the question is, is Krista still alive? If she is, where is she?

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Road Map to Murder

225.029

There were competitions in the neighborhood about who had the best lawn and who cared the most about their yards, and Bart cared about his yard.

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Road Map to Murder

2270.618

This wasn't a normal disappearance. This wasn't a normal homicide. Every new detail made the case stranger.

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Road Map to Murder

2328.505

Cameras all around. They know that Bart went into that home and never came out. Everything seemed so evil, chilling, unbelievable.

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Road Map to Murder

2524.332

The Dane County medical examiner confirms the human remains found last Thursday are those of 50 year old Bart Paulderson. A preliminary autopsy indicates he was murdered.

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Road Map to Murder

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One theory was this an incident where Krista killed her husband, but her son lives with them and he loves his mom. Was he covering for her? Was she responsible? There were all these questions. Again, it was one of those things. One layer gets pulled back, you get one answer. But for each answer you get, there are 17 more questions.

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Road Map to Murder

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We are optimistic in regards to her whereabouts and where she was at, and we will let the evidence of this investigation tell us otherwise.

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Road Map to Murder

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The man accused of killing his father. He's now being held in jail on a tentative charge of first degree intentional homicide, hiding a corpse, and mutilating a corpse.

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Road Map to Murder

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Right before Kat goes back for that second interview, we're getting updates from law enforcement. And one of those comes in the form of a press briefing. And a reporter asks, is the girlfriend a suspect? And the sheriff didn't answer. And that freaked Kat out.

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Road Map to Murder

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Law enforcement was very clear. They don't think Kat had anything to do with these murders.

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Road Map to Murder

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She goes, this is where he was, middle of the morning on Saturday. after his parents went missing. He told me he was gonna be doing chores at his house and then he wasn't answering and I checked Snapchat and he's in this random area, right along a river.

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Road Map to Murder

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Kat knows this area. It's a swimming hole. She's been with Chandler. They'd been that summer.

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Road Map to Murder

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This case really highlighted how social media tracks everything. And that became so crucial in this case.

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Road Map to Murder

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They go back to the nexus of this case, the Halderson's home in Windsor. Investigators start walking through and they find a lot in that house, a lot that tells us what happened. The Dane County Sheriff's Office now considers this to be a homicide investigation. That's because they found the remains of Bart Halderson late last week in a rural area of the town of Cottage Grove.

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Road Map to Murder

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It's where they were living with Chandler. It was the last place we know Bart and Krista were. So investigators start walking through.

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Road Map to Murder

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It has a glass front, four glass panels, or they're supposed to be four, but one of them is missing.

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Road Map to Murder

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Dog broke a panel. There was broken glass everywhere. I was cleaning it up. I cut my foot. I got some blood everywhere.

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Road Map to Murder

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And when they look at his foot, they realize it's not a huge cut. He didn't slash the bottom of his foot open. Looks kind of more like a pinprick. Not necessarily something that seems like it would come from glass being all over the floor.

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Road Map to Murder

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The phone proved that Bart and Krista never left their house. They never went to the cabin. The only other person who was home was Chandler.

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Road Map to Murder

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Everything was going well for everyone. I don't know any family who wouldn't want to be in the situation the Haldersons were in.

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Road Map to Murder

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Chandler really liked first person shooter video games. And in those games, you can choose what weapon you use. And he liked to try a variety. You know, he wasn't a single gun type person, but he liked the SKS rifle in those video games. He used it a lot.

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Road Map to Murder

3516.331

What is the worst that happens?

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Road Map to Murder

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I go broke. I can't pay my loans. I start an OnlyFans, but only you guys subscribe.

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Road Map to Murder

3529.85

This is the next phase in my therapeutic work.

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Road Map to Murder

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This is safe. We take you back to a core trauma. Breathe in. Breathe out.

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Road Map to Murder

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Why are you resisting? Is it too late to get a refund?

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Road Map to Murder

356.502

Their eldest son, Mitchell, was diagnosed with diabetes. And then right after that, their younger son, Chandler, fell down a flight of stairs at the Halderson's home.

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Road Map to Murder

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They go where Chandler was. It's a dense, vegetative area, wild state land in between, you know, a road and the river.

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Road Map to Murder

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As they're walking around, some of the people searching start to smell something. And then they walk a little bit further, and they see something.

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Road Map to Murder

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The Dane County Medical Examiner's Office, working in partnership with the Wisconsin State Crime Lab, has confirmed the DNA obtained from part of the dismembered human remains as matching 53-year-old Krista Halderson.

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Road Map to Murder

3815.928

Chandler Halderson murdered his parents, dismembered their bodies, and hid them around southern Wisconsin. How does this happen? How does this kid, With everything in the world going for him, promising new jobs, school, a girlfriend that loves him, willing to move across the country for him, how does this happen?

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Road Map to Murder

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He was about to embark on a career that people in the IT field could only dream of.

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Road Map to Murder

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He gives this bizarre story of his parents leaving in an unknown car, going to a cabin with an unknown couple, with an unknown amount of money, for really an unknown reason. Attorney Dorrell.

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Road Map to Murder

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Was that call recorded?

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Road Map to Murder

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Yes. Okay, what's your first name? Chandler, C-H-A-M-D-L-E-R. Last name is H-A-L... D as in David, E-R-S-O-N.

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Road Map to Murder

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Trying to get an appointment scheduled to meet with somebody to maybe just get a copy of the transcript.

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Road Map to Murder

4094.2

Okay, so it looks like you owe a balance. So that's $40,000. That's why you can't request it. Hello?

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Road Map to Murder

4110.627

You were taking IT classes, right? I don't see that you were in the program. Applied to the IT. There was a solar program too. Yeah, but I don't see that the IT degree is in there, right? No, those are just classes.

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Road Map to Murder

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prosecutors play it during trial, the jury got to hear what Bart sounded like as he figured out his son was lying to him.

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Road Map to Murder

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Do you know, do you have an Alyssa Brandt that works in that area or anywhere in the campus?

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Road Map to Murder

4222.7

You said the person was Alyssa? Alyssa? Yeah. A-L-Y-S-S-A? No. I don't know Alyssa. Does Daniel Spice still work there?

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Road Map to Murder

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Can I ask you, what is the end part of every employee's email who works for Madison College? madisoncollege.edu No one uses a Gmail account as their official Madison College email?

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Road Map to Murder

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Were there ever any emails regarding a job application or employments with SpaceX?

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Road Map to Murder

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OK, that should do it then. OK, thank you for your help.

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Road Map to Murder

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When Bart figured it out, Chandler realized he could lose everything. Prosecution, the story they painted, was that Chandler gave himself no other option.

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Road Map to Murder

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It's a Friday right before the 4th of July holiday, but she hadn't asked off. She hadn't told anyone she wasn't going to be there. It was really unusual for her to not show up for work. She'd never done it before.

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Road Map to Murder

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Late June, early July 2021, Chandler had just fallen down the stairs. He had this injury that he said could cause lifelong side effects. By all accounts, the fall stopped Chandler's life.

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Road Map to Murder

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I'm an emergency physician at the University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics.

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Road Map to Murder

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What in this case did you diagnose Mr. Halderson with?

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Road Map to Murder

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I believe he was diagnosed as having a mild concussion. The patient had some residual neck pain, so he was given a collar to go home with for support.

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Road Map to Murder

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That's correct.

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Road Map to Murder

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I don't believe so, no.

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Road Map to Murder

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But then there's surveillance video of Chandler the night of July 1st at a nearby Quick Trip carrying two bags of ice, 10-pound bags of ice.

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Road Map to Murder

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He's at Fleet Farm. Again, no neck brace. Just normal 23-year-old dude walking into Fleet Farm to buy a tarp.

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Road Map to Murder

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Why was it important to you to cooperate at that time?

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Road Map to Murder

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When you first go in the house that day, did you notice anything off?

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Road Map to Murder

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We had a grand total of 230 bones, fragmented bones that were found, again, inside the fireplace, on the grate, and also on the ash disposal area.

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Road Map to Murder

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No, Your Honor. Watching this trial, it was so one-sided. There were eight full days of testimony from the prosecution. They had so much evidence. The defense was the opposite.

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Road Map to Murder

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Solving a case and thinking about whether or not a person is guilty or not guilty is like putting together a puzzle. And it's your job as the jury to put that puzzle together. It's not a whodunit. We know that Bart and Krista went into that home and never came out, at least as whole people.

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Road Map to Murder

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When we found out that the verdict was in, it had been two hours. No one knew what was going on. People were waiting on pins and needles to figure out what that was.

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Road Map to Murder

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They told their neighbors when they were going up to the cabin who they were going to be with, where they were going to be. So for there to be so many unknowns about what happened that weekend was a little unusual.

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Road Map to Murder

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His other convictions and his sentence, though, still stand while his case remains pending in the Court of Appeals. That's our program for tonight. I'm Deborah Roberts.

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Road Map to Murder

510.028

Krista's not the person that would just not show up. Everyone who knows her says she wouldn't have missed that appointment. She was planning to be there, and then she wasn't. And that's when people really start to get concerned, because no one knows where Bart and Krista are.

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Road Map to Murder

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There were all these questions. For each answer you get, there are 17 more questions.

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Road Map to Murder

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So the only time people heard from Bart and Krista over the 4th of July weekend was when Krista texted Chandler on July 4th.

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Road Map to Murder

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their friends learned that she had reached out to him, which made sense. She was a mom who talked to her kids all the time.

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Road Map to Murder

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This case really highlighted how social media tracks everything. And that became so crucial.

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Road Map to Murder

779.826

Chandler says, I haven't seen my parents. We need to start looking for them.

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Road Map to Murder

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Both their cars are still there. What's going on with that? Chandler says, well, they went with this other couple. I don't know who they are, but they took the other couple's car.

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True Crime Vault: Slender Man Attackers

1192.563

She would bleed out. They would cover her up with covers to make it look like she was sleeping. And the two girls would run.

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True Crime Vault: Slender Man Attackers

924.326

She indicated that in order to become a proxy of Slenderman, you needed to kill somebody to prove yourself worthy to him.

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Gabby Petito: Her Parents Speak Out

1570.285

What if the solution to our problems lies where people normally don't go? A treasure from the deep sea, millions of years old, but which really exists and which some now want to lift.

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Gabby Petito: Her Parents Speak Out

1584.978

The fight for the deep sea has long begun. This is Enten, Land unter, from Andan and the Futurium. From now on on Spotify.

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Gabby Petito: Her Parents Speak Out

2226.468

So in Gabby's latest Instagram post, her roots are not there, especially in comparison to some of them before that.

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Gabby Petito: Her Parents Speak Out

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The fact that she randomly posted it on August 25th with just that caption to me is very suspicious.

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Gabby Petito: Her Parents Speak Out

3664.347

The FBI Denver Twitter account posted this, saying that they are conducting ground surveys at the Spread Creek dispersed camping area.

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Gabby Petito: Her Parents Speak Out

4046.507

In the manner of death of Gabrielle Lenora Petito, we find the cause of manner to be caused death by strangulation, and manner is homicide.

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Unlucky Numbers

1478.41

So there's a whole pool of potential individuals that you could look at with some sort of motive if his disappearance did result in foul play.

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Unlucky Numbers

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Okay. And at no time did you see Abraham Shakespeare while you were in Florida? No, sir. And just for the record, you didn't in any way harm, hurt, or cause Mr. Shakespeare to be missing at this time, did you? No, sir.

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Unlucky Numbers

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She definitely has the ability to manipulate, to lie, to concoct stories, and so forth, yeah.

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Unlucky Numbers

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That's brilliant. That's the DD Moore catch can. I worked undercover narcotics for eight years, and I wouldn't have came up with this. Almost all of the meetings were in a car. Here it is sitting in front of her. She doesn't even know it's there.

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Unlucky Numbers

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I don't want you to show this letter to the cops. I just want you to tell them that it was me.

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Unlucky Numbers

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How do you do it to anybody, but how do you do it to a 70 plus year old woman who hasn't seen her son in months? I mean, devious, manipulative, evil.

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Unlucky Numbers

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So Highway 60, it's considered a rural area of Hillsborough County. There's a lot of tomato fields, strawberry farms, and so forth.

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Unlucky Numbers

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Abraham's body is right there.

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Unlucky Numbers

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We didn't know if we actually had the body down there or not.

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Unlucky Numbers

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Abraham says, I want to buy a car. So off me and Abraham went to the car dealership. Abraham walked up on this particular car, and he liked it. And I'm like, yeah, Abraham, that's nice, but it's a used car. Used or whatever, it was a gem to him.

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Unlucky Numbers

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Dee Dee Moore is caught pretty much red-handed.

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Unlucky Numbers

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We're talking probably 30, maybe 40 folks. This is definitely not a run of the mill scene. The concrete slab was like a 900 square foot tombstone.

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Unlucky Numbers

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This is a painstaking task. This is two inches at a time, sifting through everything. This was almost an archaeological dig here.

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Unlucky Numbers

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And at a point, once we hit about nine feet, we started to uncover what appeared to be human remains. You were able to look at this corpse, and you knew it was Abraham.

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Unlucky Numbers

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We have recovered human remains.

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Unlucky Numbers

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It's at the bottom of $1 million.

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Unlucky Numbers

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Yep, I miss it, but life goes on. She's setting up her alibi. She was setting up her story. She knew that Abraham was confronting her about the lack of funds and the ability to access his money and so forth. And it came to a point where, in Dee Dee's mind, she's going to have to do something about this.

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Unlucky Numbers

4019.635

She was purchasing bleach and latex gloves and I think some shovels to help Mike Smith and Greg Smith dig this body out by hand and dispose of it.

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Unlucky Numbers

4366.041

It was probably 7 o'clock at night. A storm was coming in. Right as they read guilty on the first count. The defendant is guilty of first degree murder. A clap of lightning happens outside and just kind of lights up the courtroom. It was kind of like, yeah, it was wild.

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Unlucky Numbers

4779.16

I have never heard of anything of this corrupt drug network involving Abraham Shakespeare or corruption within either of our departments. It's absurd. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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Unlucky Numbers

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He was a wonderful man. He will be sorely missed.

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Unlucky Numbers

841.262

She wanted to sit down and interview us for her book.

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The Lies Beneath

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There was a blue tarp, and beneath the blue tarp were the remains of Michael Shaver. His body was found to be wearing a pair of underwear, a pair of shorts. He had on a pair of socks. There was a piece of a fitted sheet also around the body. So it was evident that the body had been wrapped up and placed in that grave.

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The Lies Beneath

2984.833

About three and a half feet.

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The Lies Beneath

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The projectile was found inside of the skull. It was pretty much a straight-on shot to the back of the head.

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The Lies Beneath

3383.35

Pretty much everything in that grave site was sent to the Department of Law Enforcement for analysis, and there was no DNA that was found, mostly because of the decomposition process.

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The Lies Beneath

3417.734

There were still phone records, Facebook records to obtain, and piecing together all of these different pieces of evidence to try to figure out what happened.

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The Lies Beneath

3634.973

These Facebook message postings by both Lori Shaver's account and Michael Shaver's account had the same IP address, which means the same person was using them both. Everything pointed back at Lori Shaver.

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The Lies Beneath

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Ladies and gentlemen, this is a case about common sense.

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The Lies Beneath

3792.491

We have the defendant's husband buried in her own backyard, and that points directly to Lori Shaver.

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The Lies Beneath

4123.629

to examine that firearm?

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The Lies Beneath

4126.611

You also provided a projectile recovered from the skull of Michael Schaefer?

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The Lies Beneath

4136.929

Despite the damaged condition of that projectile, were you able to determine the caliber?

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The Lies Beneath

4655.919

It's hard to make a story fit all of the different pieces of evidence if it's not true.

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Fatal Disguise

1008.234

Everyone was scratching their heads. Why was Rusty Snyderman murdered?

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Fatal Disguise

1055.142

One of the most prominent publicists to the stars, Ronnie Chasen, was murdered, shot behind the wheel of her Mercedes in Beverly Hills. Investigators are working on the theory that this was a planned attack.

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Fatal Disguise

1423.026

Andrea is totally baffled. She doesn't know who would kill her husband, why her husband would be killed. She's very distraught.

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Fatal Disguise

198.581

The barrel was either at or right at his skin when fired. There was actually soot deep into the wound from the projectile.

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Fatal Disguise

230.008

They thought it was a movie. They were actually looking around for the cameras.

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Fatal Disguise

2390.916

The man wanted someone else's wife, so he killed her husband.

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Fatal Disguise

2398.683

He got caught, and all of a sudden, he's insane.

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Fatal Disguise

2428.566

Where is the evidence that she was a party to the murder of her husband?

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Fatal Disguise

2681.105

Boil it down to a sentence. The man wanted someone else's wife, so he killed her husband. He got caught. And all of a sudden, he's insane.

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Fatal Disguise

2732.868

So he's up in his office at 5.30 something. Turns on his computer, does a few things, and without using the elevator, exits. The defendant used the stairs and went out an unmanned back door. The cameras in the employee parking garage, they caught the defendant leaving in the silver Sedona Kia van.

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Fatal Disguise

2772.143

He didn't got video in there. Dressed the same as he arrived at home.

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Fatal Disguise

2815.589

My name is Jan Da Silva.

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Fatal Disguise

2844.499

Do you know who the person was that contacted you? Yes, sir. What was his name? Hemi Newman.

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Fatal Disguise

2896.65

He started off by saying, don't ever have a mistress. Don't ever have a mistress? Yes, sir.

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Fatal Disguise

2908.715

He told me he just tossed it on a lake, Lake Lanier, and that he was okay because he made sure that it was tossed in somewhere where nobody can find it.

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Fatal Disguise

3056.761

During the summer of 2010, the defendant claims that he was visited by a six-foot dark demon. Also, he claims a six-foot white angel came to him.

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Fatal Disguise

3297.604

Do you have any idea why the defendant would have these feelings toward you?

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Fatal Disguise

3333.091

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Fatal Disguise

3336.113

No, I do. It's just my mom, like, knows the whole thing. A new comedy about 20-somethings achieving zero anythings.

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Fatal Disguise

3351.263

FX's Adults premieres May 28th on FX. All episodes streaming on Hulu.

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Fatal Disguise

3408.654

Did the defendant ever express his feelings for you?

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Fatal Disguise

3414.278

Do you have any idea why the defendant would have these feelings toward you?

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Fatal Disguise

3423.444

Were you and the defendant romantically involved?

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Fatal Disguise

3443.918

It's about how you felt when we looked at the stars in Tahoe, when we woke up Friday morning in Denver, when we walked out of the restaurant on Thursday, when you took my hand and nestled your head on my shoulder.

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Fatal Disguise

3459.698

Did that happen?

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Fatal Disguise

3461.799

Did you wake up together in Denver, in Tahoe?

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Fatal Disguise

3477.865

Did he stalk you from inside your own room?

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Fatal Disguise

3483.887

So that's a yes.

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Fatal Disguise

3574.674

I turned to the second page of that email. Yep. Hemi Newman says, please never forget how much I love you. And how did you respond?

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Fatal Disguise

3591.115

What happened in Greenville then?

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Fatal Disguise

3607.007

So you're repenting in the email, at least, from holding his hand?

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Fatal Disguise

3669.346

What stood out most was that he kept spinning her around to the salsa music. I know at one point she kind of was dancing for him. He pulled her back, groped her. They were groping each other, I know, because I kind of turned away.

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Fatal Disguise

3685.33

At any time did you see the parties kiss?

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Fatal Disguise

3687.47

Yes, I did.

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Fatal Disguise

3688.451

How many times did they kiss?

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Fatal Disguise

3705.473

Did you dance with the defendant?

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Fatal Disguise

3715.012

Did you kiss him or did he kiss you?

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Fatal Disguise

3760.702

At the time you called Don Snyderman, at that time, did you know what had happened to Rusty?

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Fatal Disguise

3821.298

Did Andrea admit or deny an affair with her boss at that time after the murder? Denied it. Based on all the time you've known Andrea, based on your observations of her, her mannerisms, when she told you no, did you believe her?

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Fatal Disguise

3897.199

Dramatic closing arguments in the daycare murder trial.

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Fatal Disguise

409.778

Yeah, it was all over the news. A husband is shot and killed right after he drops his child off.

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Fatal Disguise

430.123

tragic. Every parent is scared. Every parent who's got a young child in daycare is scared. They didn't know what the motive was. So it was big news in Atlanta.

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Fatal Disguise

4376.557

Where is the evidence that she was a party to the murder of her husband? All you have is that she may have lied about having an affair. That doesn't mean she had anything to do with her husband being murdered. And diamonds are built on solid foundations of evidence, and this one will fall like a pillar of salt.

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Fatal Disguise

4405.626

The judge put her under house arrest. She couldn't even take her children to school.

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Fatal Disguise

4529.961

I kept thinking up to the day we were going to start trial that we would find out there's this new surprise witness, but that never happened.

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Fatal Disguise

4637.393

The judge gave her five years in prison and she's out in 10 months.

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Fatal Disguise

4829.13

even though a jury has found her guilty. When a defendant is sentenced under the First Offender Act, as Andrea was, once you have completed the sentence, You have no record. Andrea Snyderman, wherever she is today, under Georgia law, is not a convicted criminal.

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Fatal Disguise

4866.437

Extremely tragic. They're crazy people out there and Hemi Newman's one of them. And her path crossed with his and she will regret it the rest of her life.

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Fatal Disguise

518.499

You know, no one could come up with a motive. Random shooting at a daycare center right after a child has been dropped off. This person was targeted for some reason, but nobody knew what that reason was.

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Fatal Disguise

69.297

This person was targeted for some reason.

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Fatal Disguise

79.508

Everyone was scratching their heads. Why was Rusty Snyderman murdered?

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Fatal Disguise

833.829

There was no indication of any strife in the home life. They were your typical successful, upper-middle-class, hardworking couple.

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Small Town, Big Con

2042.491

A blood glucose level of 21 would be extremely low, dangerously low, and basically result likely in some sort of massive cognitive dysfunction, coma, seizure, even death.

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Small Town, Big Con

2109.034

Cerebral edema is the medical term for swelling in the brain. We usually think about cerebral edema in the setting of a big bleed or a traumatic event.

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Small Town, Big Con

2442.147

I just seen the sign and figured I'd come out this way.

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Small Town, Big Con

2463.199

You don't want to sober us to anything else?

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Small Town, Big Con

3060.284

Insulin is used primarily by diabetics to essentially help us regulate the blood sugar in our body.

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Small Town, Big Con

3988.852

There was profound hypoglycemia. Hypoglycemia is low blood glucose. Once he was treated for the hypoglycemia, the blood sugar went up and then it went back down again. To me, that is a significant pattern.

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Small Town, Big Con

4010.697

Because there are only a few things that can do that. One of the big things is insulin administration.

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Small Town, Big Con

4036.076

To my knowledge, bodybuilders don't use insulin.

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Small Town, Big Con

4049.737

I came to the conclusion that the cause of death was exogenous insulin administration.

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Forever Young: Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey?

1026.152

Do not attempt to grow a brain. Are guys a real watcher of that particular type of movies?

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Forever Young: Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey?

1105.956

Detective Linda Arndt is left behind in the house with John and Patsy Ramsey.

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Forever Young: Who Killed JonBenét Ramsey?

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They knew at the time that there was DNA and that it was not from him. See, DNA.

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They're waiting for a telephone call from the kidnapper. What's going to happen next?

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Linda Arndt tells the restless John, why don't you look around the house, see if anything is missing or looks strange.

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How is it that you have all these cops searching a home, and nobody finds the body, but you asked John Ramsey to go look for things out of the ordinary, and he finds his daughter in a room that had never been opened by anybody in law enforcement? That's crazy!

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He lays her on the living room floor where, just a few minutes before, friends and neighbors have been walking and you know, bring in fibers and whatever to contaminate the scene. And then the coup de grace. He grabs a blanket, which is full of who knows what kind of contaminants, and throws it over the body.

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This is an eight inch skull fracture. So we're talking a major blunt force. This is just a massive blow.

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It's a device of string, and it's wrapped around what ends up being a piece of a paintbrush. And what happens is, as JonBenet is losing consciousness, she's leaning forward. And so this gets tighter and tighter, and you can see how it cuts into my hand. You can see exactly why it cut into her neck. And that ultimately, according to the ME, is what killed her.

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If you look at the autopsy report, JonBenet died while being tortured. She was alive while she was being tortured.

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There were four people in that house, and one died overnight. From the very beginning, they suspected the parents.

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The police are thinking, we've got to talk to those parents, and we've got to talk to them right now before they start getting their story straight together.

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Jean Benet Ramsey was a precocious six-year-old strangled to death in the basement of her own home. You have the shock, this incredibly horrendous crime. And then you have these videos that surface. of this beautiful young girl. Dancing in her costumes and those were the first viral videos.

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It's part of what turned it into an international circus.

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When you start with children of this age, when they die, tend to die at the hands of their parents. So the focus is naturally going to be on the parents to begin with. Now, in the house, the ransom note is written on a pad that belongs to Patsy. This is the notepad. This location right here is where the note was physically found by Patsy. The pen that was used was in the house.

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It basically is an artist's paintbrush that's broken. And what's important is that it actually came from Patsy's art supply.

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The police started thinking, well, maybe this is just a cover-up, that the Ramseys harmed their child some way, then panicked and tried to create basically a kidnapping scenario.

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At this point, they haven't interviewed the mother or father. Not surprisingly, they're still very grief-stricken. They have not been in any kind of condition to be interviewed.

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The police are thinking, we got to talk to those parents and we got to talk to them right now before they start getting their story straight together.

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Wherever we are, it's together.

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Everybody wanted to see these parents. Everybody wanted to talk to these parents, especially the police. When you realized that you two were the prime suspects, what did you think?

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And as a mother, my heart went out to this couple.

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What we know is that just within a few mile radius of the Ramsey's home, There was approximately 38 to 40 sex offenders in that area. And the question is, have they all been completely vetted?

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There's a lot more evidence to cover and more myths to debunk.

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Police have still not named a suspect.

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I want to say something to the person or persons that took this baby from us. The list of suspects narrows. Soon there will be no one on the list but you.

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It was a good opportunity to really find out who did this.

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Well, the police were convinced pretty early on that Patsy and or John were involved. And you had a district attorney's office that was saying, not so fast. And that created enormous tension between the two.

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One of the great challenges is to try to do the case right, and I think we're Making efforts to meet that challenge by involving people like Lou Smith.

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My name is Lou Smith. I'm a retired homicide detective from the Colorado Springs Police Department.

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He had such tenacity. He was a bulldog. Once he got something in his mind, once he got the reins in his teeth, he was not letting go.

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He advocated for the victim and stood in their shoes.

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It seemed as though the parents were probably involved in it. I thought this would be a fairly easy case. I thought it would be a slam dunk. And I even remember talking to my daughter. I kind of joked with her saying that, you know, if somebody did get in the house, it must have been Santa Claus coming down the chimney.

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He didn't buy the Boulder Police Department's conclusion that no one could get in that basement window. He began to say maybe somebody did get into that house.

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And I'll show you how easily it can be done.

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So what did Lou Smith do? He went and climbed in the window himself with a camera rolling to prove that it could be done.

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It really wasn't that difficult coming in that window.

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There are cobwebs in the window, which could support that no one did go through this window. The big question is, could you have gotten through this window, this small window, without disturbing this cobweb? I think the answer to that is maybe. But the other important point is, how soon was this picture taken after JonBenet was killed? Because spiders can replicate webs very fast.

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The investigators believe, and maybe rightly so, that that's the bad guy's footprint.

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actually a sign of remarkable strength in that community.

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The marks themselves, both on the back and on the face, were the same distance apart. Suddenly a little light went on, and it was just like, wait a minute, it was a stun gun.

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And the marks are very similar to the face of John Bonnet.

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He also looked into an experiment performed using stun guns on pigs. These marks were also the same as the marks found on JonBenet.

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This was the first murder in Boulder that year, and it was December 26. So they don't have a lot of murders, particularly where a little girl is tortured to death.

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What we did to pigs, we get perfect marks, just almost like on the back of JonBenet.

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This brings back our grandpa's whole motto that things are usually what they seem. Don't make it complicated.

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There's no reason at all for the Ramseys to use a stun gun. And the Ramseys don't have a stun gun.

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DNA that does not match in the Ramsey family, and it shows a foreign male presence, they sat on that for months.

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They knew at the time that there was DNA in her panties, that it was mixed with foreign DNA, and that it was not from Ramsey's DNA, not Patsy's, not John's, and not Burke's.

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Lou is just incensed that the focus is still being, well, it could be Patsy. Maybe we need to get her to confess.

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Obviously, he wasn't legally wrongfully convicted, but he was wrongfully convicted, and his wife Patsy, the family, were wrongfully convicted in the court of public opinion.

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Patsy Ramsey had a year and a half to prepare. I knew that it was going to be tough to get a spontaneous response.

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That is totally impossible. Go retest. How is it impossible? I did not kill my child. I didn't have anything to do with it.

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She said it was impossible that we had physical evidence linking her to that crime.

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I am so taken with her swagger. She just tells them, you know, you think you have some evidence on me? Well, you better look again.

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My dad started getting frustrated as time went on because he felt that the case against the Ramseys was

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Good morning, counsel. Most people think that evidence of Simpson's guilt was insurmountable.

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And yet he walked. Alex remembered that. He told me one time, I don't want to spend two years of my life and $5 million of the taxpayer's money and lose in court.

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Are you surprised by anything you've seen?

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The window was wide open. If I was a detective, I'd have said, wow, this is entry.

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I and my prosecution task force believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at this time.

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I was shocked. It's extremely unusual for a grand jury to vote to charge and the DA not charge.

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There were too many questions. In particular, that DNA in the underwear that appears to have been from a man didn't match anyone they knew of.

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It's like a PowerPoint on steroids. It detailed 887 names.

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Deck your home with Blinds.com. Fa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la.

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Free, free, free, free, free, free.

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killer left behind, I believe, part of his DNA.

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Now new DNA analysis proves just that. The Boulder District Attorney clears all members of the Ramsey family in the murder of their six-year-old daughter, JonBenet.

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The news broke here at the district attorney's office with this incredible letter to Jean Benet's father.

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DA Mary Lacey wrote John Ramsey, we do not consider your immediate family, including you, your wife Patsy, and your son Burke, to be under any suspicion in the commission of this crime.

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It's very wealthy. It's well-to-do. John and Patsy Ramsey lived in a 6,700 square feet Tudor there on 15th Street.

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And so this car could still be murdering even today.

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I remember about the last three days, he had slipped into a coma. The conversations would become one way. I don't know if you could hear me or not.

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You wanna go down to number two because that is an in-state one. What we all share in common is that commitment to fulfill Lou's dying wish that this case doesn't die with him. And I think it's that devotion, that respect, that love for Lou is what keeps our team moving forward.

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There's no way in the world that I could be involved in the death of this little girl. I adored her.

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I love JonBenet, and she died accidentally.

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It was like a PowerPoint on steroids. The spreadsheet detailed 887 names.

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Out of those 887 entries, by the time he went into hospice, Lou had marked 134 cleared.

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Sometime in the late hours, mom hears a noise going on. And there was, in fact, an intruder in her daughter's bedroom preparing to molest her. That person has never been identified. That girl had attended the same dance studio as JonBenet. Are the two cases connected? I don't know.

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Here you have Gary Oliver, who apparently on the night or the next day after JonBenet was killed, called a friend and told him over the phone that he had hurt a child.

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but eventually eliminated him because there is absolutely no connection between he and the Ramseys and his DNA, they used that to eliminate him.

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John Benet had made a comment that he, Bill McReynolds, was coming to their house to see John Benet. I think everybody thought that was a little weird. His DNA didn't match, and he's out of the picture.

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I want to say something to the person or persons that committed this crime. The list of suspects narrows. Soon, there will be no one on the list but you.

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The death of this child has broken all of our hearts. We will see that justice is served in this case and that you pay for what you did.

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When Michael was found dead, there was a stun gun at his residence. Also, there was a pair of high-tech boots.

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Stun gun, a bit odd for people to have. High-tech boots, fairly common thing for people to have. But the real clincher would be DNA didn't match, and he has no connection to the Ramsey family.

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Problem is, he wasn't in Boulder, Colorado when she died, and his DNA didn't match.

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What our team has been doing is focusing on collecting DNA and testing DNA.

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I think it's even more mysterious now to some degree because who the heck was in that house? How'd they get in? Why'd they target her?

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And what we presented was a confidential list of our top 20 people of interest and the list of the eight people of interest that our team had eliminated through DNA analysis.

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The technology has just advanced so tremendously. JonBenet's blood was mixed with unknown male DNA in her underpants, and we need to separate out those two profiles, which can be done now, and use genealogical DNA, which has been a huge tool in solving cold cases recently.

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I really believe that if we hadn't seen the beauty pageant photos of JonBenet Ramsey, it might have just gone into the ether as another child murder. This one captivated us because we saw the beauty pageant pictures.

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Fifty years ago, a young woman named Karen Silkwood got into her car alone.

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She was reportedly on her way to deliver sensitive documents to a New York Times reporter.

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Bluntly stated, she was spying on her employer, gathering evidence her union wanted to document charges of safety violations at the Kermagee Corporation's nuclear plant.

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Karen never made it to that meeting with the reporter.

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Do you think somebody killed her? There's no question in my mind if someone killed her that night. I think they were trying to stop her in order to get the documents.

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And those documents she'd agreed to deliver were never found.

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Fifty years later, we've tracked down fragments of Silkwood's story, including a trove of never-before-heard investigative tapes.

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Mike, you found it. Holy cow, I got goosebumps. And we learned the accident investigator saved something from the crash, something he believed was a smoking gun. He told his daughter on his deathbed to hang on to it. We have the bumper.

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I think it needs to be looked into further. A new investigation into the life and death of America's first nuclear whistleblower.

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Listen to Radioactive, the Karen Silkwood Mystery, from ABC Audio. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.

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The police did a terrible, terrible job securing that scene. And if you don't secure the scene, you don't get good evidence.

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So early on, they locked into this crazy idea that the parents were responsible. They get tunnel vision.

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People were streaming through that house. They were in the kitchen. They were in the living room. There were some friends of Patsy's that were helping her wipe up the kitchen.

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Of all of the evidence left behind, that ransom note is the most baffling. Number one, it is too damn long. A ransom note is not that long. A ransom note says, I have your child. I want a million dollars. I'll call you later.

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You think about this number and how is it relevant, and it's relevant because John Ramsey got a bonus from his company for $118,000. How many people knew that? I'm going to guess not a lot of people.

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The movie Ransom was playing in Boulder.

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The Rose Petal Murder

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He was born in California. When he was roughly 10, 11 years old, his family moved to Virginia on a small farm. They lived in Virginia until he was a teenager. Then they moved to the upstate of South Carolina. His parents could see an aptitude for music, so his dad bought him a piano at a yard sale for $300. And that's where he started.

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And over the course of his childhood, he just developed a passion for it, became very good at it.

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He consistently did things that were very extraordinary. He begins to compete in very prestigious music festivals. He decided to apply for Juilliard and was accepted in 2010.

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At the beginning of October 2021, did you conclude that You had to rescue and there was no other way.

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I had prayed like I'd never prayed before. He testified it was something he just felt like he had to do to protect that child. But every fiber of his being was fighting him.

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It's very important to understand the motive. The entire motive behind what he did was to save this child, period.

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Did you take Christina Parcell's life?

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So I would say he did. He knew it with the information he had received from John Mello, with the documents he had received.

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He confessed to killing Christina Parcell, but that in and of itself does not make him guilty of murder. The state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt malice. That is the intent, the knowledge, the mental part of murder.

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107 is what? That's a photograph of the staining on the sink and some of the spatter inside of the sink running down. That is red staining on the tile floor in the bathroom. Red staining that was on the carpet in the master bedroom. Latent print 169A was individualized as the left palm of Jodi Ann Arias.

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Homicide in Spokane

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Very typically, two gunshot wounds to the head.

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The common activity here was gunshot wounds, very typically two gunshot wounds to the head. This is reminiscent of what is called double tapping, that is bang, bang.

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One case of condom was recovered from the body of one of the women and it contained seminal fluid.

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Homicide in Spokane

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The plastic bags were taped with duct tape. Duct tape is just excellent for picking up fingerprints when you're wrapping it.

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Strange Truth

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Over 35 years of working to make fire and water damage like it never even happened.

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Strange Truth

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Functions just fine. I checked the trigger pull. But the state's own witness, the expert who conducted ballistic tests on the gun, admits... I could not be positive that the two bullets were fired from the same gun.

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Heartbreak in Williamsport

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then in june of 1999 frustrated investigators finally got a break i was down here looking for minnows fisherman matt mckay was walking some 40 feet from a road just off the route dr illis drove that night well i didn't notice the gun at first i had tripped over it and thought it was driftwood but i looked down and driftwood doesn't have a scope so i took a second look and it looked like a rifle

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Heartbreak in Williamsport

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You can see there's the bullet hole through the glass.

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He came up the bank here.

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Driven To Death

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Oh, I don't think Bonnie Contreras is intentionally lying about this collision. She's excitable. She's got somebody that's just like a raging bull behind her.

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I have damage on this side of the bumper and I have damage on this side of the front bumper as well. That's two. That's at least one more than just an accidental bump.

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The Black Widow

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Snake bit. Because what can go wrong will go wrong.

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The Black Widow

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The person who delivered that fatal blow was the defendant, Raynella Leith.

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Once she missed, it changed the whole dynamic. She ended his life with that second shot, and then in an attempt to cover up, she fired that third shot to get gunshot residue on him.

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The Black Widow

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Yes. That's what I think she is. We'll show you what's been marked previously as Exhibit 36 and ask if you can identify that.

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The only way that all of this works together is that if Raynell Aletha is standing at the side of the bed and she misses with that first shot, and we know that the first shot was the one that went into the headboard, he raises up. The second shot occurs, and he falls straight back down to where he was found. You cannot lay in this bed and face that direction and get that blood spatter on the wall.

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The Black Widow

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Blood doesn't turn corners.

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The Black Widow

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There was a first indication on March 13, 2003, that anything was unusual about David Lee.

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The Black Widow

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There would have been no reason to say, have you seen him? There would have been no reason to ask if he'd worked out. And there certainly would have been no reason to say he didn't eat his breakfast because there's no way she could have known that unless she had been there and unless the only reason she knew he hadn't eaten breakfast was because he was dead.

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The Black Widow

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It's the only explanation. Manila Lee is guilty of the first-degree premeditated homicide of David Lee.

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I really could not believe what he was saying as he said it.

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Oh, I gotta breathe. No matter where we think we're going here, that can't be how this ends.

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Does that make it worse? Yeah, I guess so in some ways. But in another sense, it tells me I did the right thing. And more importantly, our work as trial attorneys was spot on.

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The Black Widow

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Unless you really know what's inside somebody's mind.

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The Black Widow

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You don't really know why they do what they do, do you?

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The Black Widow

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Raynella Leaf. He was shot almost in the middle of his forehead, but right above his left eye. There were no signs of forced entry. There were no signs of a struggle. And there was no one else at the residence but the defendant.

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The statement showed that on March 13, 2003, David Lee was killed by a single gunshot wound to his forehead.

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The Mind of a Murderer

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We're seeing that the brain's not working right, and we're seeing physically what is the matter with the brain.

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The Mind of a Murderer

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Steven Stanko's brain function was highly unusual. He had areas of the brain that were not as active compared to other parts of the brain.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1508.731

Steven didn't have the function in the brain that a healthy brain would have. Mr. Stanko's brain showed decreased function in the medial orbital frontal lobes of his brain.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1532.122

Areas of red on these images are indicative of high levels of brain function. But we can see, particularly right here, that Mr. Stanko, in this area of the brain, he's very cold or cool or less functional as compared to a normal brain. So why is that significant? Well, it's very significant because it is this area of the brain that essentially makes us human.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1558.399

People with damage to that area of the brain become antisocial. They're more likely to be impulsive. They're more likely to be aggressive and violent. What was your reaction when you saw the PET scan images of your brain?

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The Mind of a Murderer

156.424

We can see, particularly right here, he's less functional as compared to a normal brain. It's science.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1600.229

His left frontal lobe was in the smallest two or three percent of the population. There's this decrease in the base of the right frontal lobe here.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1617.093

I've come to the conclusion that he was insane at the time.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1628.331

No. Mr. Stanko nor the other psychopaths that we know of have not made a conscious decision to be psychopathic. They have a brain abnormality that has been forced upon them by bad luck or God or genes or what have you. How did Stephen Stanko suffer this brain defect? Stephen Stanko's medical records were crystal clear.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1650.659

There was no question that he was born with some form of neurological dysfunction.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1668.857

I suspect that at that time the damage was done and his brain, though he appeared to develop normally, this particular area of the brain did not.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1829.478

I don't buy it. Upon getting these images of his brain, my diagnosis is that Mr. Stanko is a psychopath and I'm 100% certain of that and I believe we've proved it.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1878.481

Neurological okay.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1900.379

My opinion is that he has a personality disorder with narcissistic and antisocial features. He has the grandiose sense of self-importance. He exaggerates achievements and his talents. He requires excessive admiration, and he lacks empathy.

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The Mind of a Murderer

1920.093

In my opinion, he does not. He has a personality disorder.

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The Mind of a Murderer

2052.489

The necktie is wrapped tightly around each wrist.

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The Mind of a Murderer

2363.725

Mr. Stanko had a defense that was at the cutting edge of science and far beyond where the laws of this country are right now. You see long-term value in this science. This will be the standard of forensic investigation in this field in the future.

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The Mind of a Murderer

2420.341

I think it is possible to commit this sort of crime and not be insane.

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The Mind of a Murderer

2493.781

The forensic doctor who performed the autopsy had outlined every single injury that she had to her body.

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The Mind of a Murderer

2507.236

And I thought, Laura Ling's not here to speak for herself, but she has spoken. She was beautiful.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

1779.823

Okay, where's the shooter? He was in the boys' bathroom. We know that there is one suspect in custody.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

2139.366

The crime that occurred to the family down in Mexico and they reach out to United States law enforcement to assist, it sometimes becomes very difficult for us because we have no authority in Mexico.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

2172.424

There have been several reports of kidnapping cells or what we call the criminal element that do use Mexican law enforcement uniforms, also Mexican military uniforms to further their criminal enterprises.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

2193.239

The bandits were probably after the expected race car that they thought was in the trailer. Anybody down in Mexico gets accosted by what they think are law enforcement person or military personnel, and then they're held at gunpoint. They're placed in a ditch face down and guns held at them, at their heads. They're extremely lucky to be alive.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

769.764

Mexico has become one of the most dangerous places on earth. Increase in the number of kidnappings for ransom. Drug gangs have killed more than 5,000 people. That's more than the entire.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

778.678

I don't see it as the Hall's fault at all. These criminals took advantage of the family. Being pulled over late at night in Mexico when you've been traveling all day by a group that's dressed as law enforcement, it's very intimidating. The groups think that you do have money or you do have vehicles. At that point, it becomes very serious and very life-threatening.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

809.369

The violence in Mexico has increased dramatically in the last two years. There's a battle going on. In San Diego, we had probably 200 murders last year. In Tijuana, which is next to San Diego, we're talking about a thousand murders. We're seeing targeted executions. Criminal organizations are melting human bodies in acid, and they're hanging them from bridge abutments for everybody to see.

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Kidnapped on Highway 1

843.034

Drug cartels in Mexico are getting into kidnapping for ransom, and they're executing anybody who stands in their way. If you're kidnapped, you could expect to get executed.

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Stalking Shadows

750.595

forensic psychiatrist Kathleen Quinn. So in many ways, he looked quite ordinary, although the concerns were extraordinary about him. What do you mean? Well, that there was an issue of dangerousness.

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Stalking Shadows

775.117

that resulted in an immediate hospitalization and there being a commitment paper drawn up.

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A Cop Behind Bars

1446.013

I believe that had I been allowed to testify at the original trial, that Patrick would not have been convicted.

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A Cop Behind Bars

1847.492

The only way the state's case can be correct is if we repeal the laws of physics.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2021.123

Make it about three or four feet from the corner.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2031.782

The four thermocouples are in place? Yes.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2041.505

The state's case, in my opinion, would not stand scientific scrutiny. I just did some quick calculations.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2081.405

What you see is an opening into the room. That's a viewing port.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2092.773

Okay, we're out.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2101.237

The smoke layer outside the bedroom is about the four, five foot elevation. But from the smoke. One minute, 20 seconds, the smoke exiting the ventilators is modest in quantity, gray in color.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2121.209

They observed a smoke cloud, let's say, above the house at a certain time.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2150.009

in order to have the smoke visible to the runners. The fire had to have been started something like five minutes prior to that time. In order for the state's case to be correct, we would have to repeal the laws of physics.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2174.48

10 minutes, 50 seconds, extinguishment being applied.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2182.366

The really important finding is that it took three or four minutes before substantial quantities of smoke were generated.

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A Cop Behind Bars

2217.464

Yes. Maybe it's arrogance, but I believe, had I been permitted to testify at the time of trial, that this man would not have been convicted.

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Poison

1881.762

You didn't think that Anne set the profile of a killer? She's not very typical. I mean, most of the women who kill their husbands are not highly educated as she is, did not come from a very high-income background.

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Poison

1915.7

There's more to this picture than just your typical murder of a husband by a wife.

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Poison

1926.348

I didn't recognize her. She projected meekness and just weak. She came across as so harmless.

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Poison

1946.116

I think Anne is very disturbed, very high risk. If she had no boundaries to stop her from killing the saint like Eric Miller, I don't see what would stop her in the future.

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Poison

2061.097

They told us flat, unless Ann gets arrested, we're not going to do anything looking into this case.

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The Day My Mother Never Came Home

1234.434

It came back to a man by the name of Billy Ray Barnes.

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A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

1550.137

I can show you. So if I take these sliders here and I drag them all the way down or all the way up, you can manipulate this photo. So somebody went in. and they altered the contrast to make it look like that on screen and then exported that file.

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A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

1619.997

Yes. Yes. This is not a kiosk computer sitting in a lobby. This is in their custody and control. You have to be in the coroner's office to get access to this.

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A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

181.431

If I take these sliders here, you can manipulate this photo. So somebody went in and they altered the contrast to make it look like that on screen.

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A Day Care Worker Convicted of Murder

198.265

Yes. I can't think of an innocent explanation.

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The Hit-and-Run Homicide of Davis McClendon

1926.492

In Greenwood at the intersection of Avett and Sawgrass.

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The Hit-and-Run Homicide of Davis McClendon

1931.115

Between 1-11-31 and 1-11-32.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3727.013

Yeah.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

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Look, we wouldn't have come pick you up today if we didn't have you. It's a matter of degrees.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

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Tony, this is your life, man. This is your life. This is your life. This ain't nobody's life but yours right now, okay? This is yours. This is your chance. I'm trying to give that to you, man. I'm trying. You talk me through this, okay? Talk me through it.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3805.047

Cassander got into a fight? Where at?

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3850.647

But I'm saying you told Kaz to go over around there.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3861.037

Right, right.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3863.238

How would she get Silea's keys?

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3871.586

How would she drive?

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3937.306

So she... She poured the gas and she lit the... She lit the body, yeah.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

3956.746

Even with everything said and done, you know, I know the body is burnt and things like that, okay? You can still see whether or not there's any kind of marks or anything. And there's nothing, there's no gouges or nothing on top of her head, so I don't get how that could happen.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

4021.971

Are you sure that you ain't got nothing else to tell me? Because this last time when I walk out of here tonight, This is it, man. I can't go to bat for you no more.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

4037.112

I just need you to be honest, buddy.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

4046.656

They fought.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

4048.197

Who hit her in the head? I didn't get hit in the head. Are you sure she got hit in the head with a fire extinguisher? She didn't get hit in the head.

Sword and Scale

Episode 284

65.228

Even with everything said and done, you know, I know the body is burned and things like that, okay? You can still see whether or not there's any kind of marks or anything.