Brad Milkey
Appearances
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Bad Rap: Party's Over
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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Bad Rap: Party's Over
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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True Crime Vault: Forgiving A Killer
We're interviewing the new housekeeper. It's been a minute since we've been out in the wild. It might take some time. We have all weekend.
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True Crime Vault: Forgiving A Killer
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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True Crime Vault: Forgiving A Killer
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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Bad Rap: Invincible
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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Bad Rap: Invincible
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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Bad Romance: No Tomorrow
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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Bad Romance: No Tomorrow
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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Unholy Matrimony
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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Unholy Matrimony
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We're bringing the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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The After Show: Unholy Matrimony
Something is off. She's just a little girl. You think she's faking it? She has adult teeth? There are signs of puberty?
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The After Show: Unholy Matrimony
I don't know what's going on. How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.
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The After Show: Unholy Matrimony
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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The After Show: Unholy Matrimony
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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The After Show: You Left Me for Dead
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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The After Show: You Left Me for Dead
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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The After Show: Family Lies?
I don't know what's going on. How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.
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The After Show: Family Lies?
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
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The After Show: Family Lies?
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Kena, I mean, just listening back to all that, what is your impression of that call?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
And then just not to dwell on this too much, but I think a lot of people might go, hello, these people, there was a man in your house at four or something in the morning. Why did it take this long? I mean, is there a sense as to why nothing happened for so long?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
This week, we're talking to ABC News correspondent, Kena Whitworth, who was the first network reporter on the ground in Idaho and has been closely following this shocking quadruple murder case for over two years. Kena's with us now. Hey, Kena. Hey, Brad. This case horrified Idaho, but also captivated the nation back in the winter of 2022.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
And just to back things up a bit, like the details that you're mentioning, those were in past court filings. The detail about the surviving roommate drinking and being prone to those lucid dreams was mentioned in a filing by the defense.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Within the house, they're texting to each other just from different rooms.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
What do they say? Like, what are they texting at that point?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
That's what's so confusing, Kena. It's kind of like you know that there is communication happening and yet it's not like, hey, let's find out what happened. And there's hours where nothing happens. So you're wondering, like, did they go to sleep? Are they just kind of in denial? Is it all of the above? Do we have answers to that, I guess?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
You've hosted a whole podcast about this called The King Road Killings, but there's been new developments. Before we get into those, can you just, I guess, walk us through the background of the case?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
You know, the one name we haven't said so far, Kena, is Brian Koberger, right? He has emerged as the suspect in this case. His lawyers say he's innocent. But that all brings us to kind of another interesting fold here, which is how he was arrested and how the FBI says it found DNA linking him to this. What can you tell us about that?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Right. And investigative genetic genealogy. This is where you get DNA like from a knife sheath. You load that data onto public genealogy sites and you build out a family tree from there. Right. So what was happening with Koberger at that time?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
I remember this. He was going home for the holidays, right?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Oh, so they're like, hey, it's not cool that, A, you're using genealogy to find out, oh, this links to your dad somehow. And B, that you're doing all these hopscotches with DNA, which, by the way, you got through a trash collection company.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Hey, and when we're talking about Koberger, he's in custody right now. There's the chance that he could face the death penalty. And yet that is one of the other big developments recently, right? Can you walk us through that?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Oh, like his mannerisms might make him seem less sympathetic or seem less caring, but maybe it's related to his disorder.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Well, and so at the end of the day, Kena, I mean, with this audio that you guys have obtained, I guess, how does this sort of affect your overall view of the case and where it goes next? Because there have been so many twists and turns.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
And actually, we got a reply filing this week on that purchase. The defense is arguing that the Amazon account was used by the whole Koberger family, meaning the knife could have been purchased, yes, but not necessarily, they say, by Brian Koberger.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Wow. And trial starts in August. Kena Whitworth, I know you'll be there. Thank you so much.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Now, as I mentioned at the very top of this episode, after Kena and I recorded this conversation, we got some late-breaking news. ABC has gotten their hands on a filing that was released Wednesday afternoon, like this Wednesday. The filing includes some stunning details about Brian Koberger. So I've called up Kena to get the latest. Kena, thank you for coming back on short notice.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
You've had a little bit of time with this filing. What can you tell us about it?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
But you're saying this is specifically about what police will be looking for at a crime scene, like deep knowledge of what authorities would want to get their hands on.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
I was going to say he was studying criminology. Right. So, I mean, how does this then play into the trial that's coming up or how will prosecutors try to use this?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Yeah, and we'll have to see if this even gets admitted into evidence, let alone whether a jury thinks it's relevant. But if people say, like, a murderer makes 100 mistakes, the implication from the prosecutors here seems to be that if this is the guy, that he might have made a few less than that. Kena Whitworth, thank you for covering this late-breaking news.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Now, let's quickly hit up the other big stories in the world of true crime this week. First up, a woman has been charged with murder in the death of Telemundo sports reporter Adam Manzano. Manzano was found dead in his hotel room in Kenner, Louisiana, after traveling to New Orleans for the Super Bowl.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
According to the autopsy, Manzano died from the combined effects of Xanax and alcohol, along with positional asphyxia, which is when someone's physical position obstructs their breathing. No plea has been entered. The next story capturing headlines this week, at an isolated research base in Antarctica, a man is accused of attacking and threatening his colleagues.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
The alleged perpetrator has been put under psychological evaluation and has cooperated with South Africa's Ministry of Environment, which oversees the base there. The nine-member research team is expected to stay at the base for about 13 months, meaning they'll be living in close quarters through the hostile and dark Antarctic winter.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Lastly, the missing University of Pittsburgh student, Shidixa Kononke, whose disappearance while on spring break in the Dominican Republic launched an international effort to find her, is believed to have died by drowning. Kononke's family has asked officials to declare her legally dead. A 22-year-old college student was with Kononke the night she went missing.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
He told prosecutors the two went swimming and kissed in the ocean. He is not a suspect and is not charged with a crime. All right, that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us. The Crime Scene Weekly is a production of ABC Audio, produced by Nora Ritchie and Meg Fierro. Our supervising producer is Susie Liu. Mixing by Meg Fierro.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Special thanks to Liz Alessi, Tara Gimbel, Josh Margolin, and Sasha Peznik. Josh Kohan is our director of podcast programming. Laura Mayer is our executive producer. I'm Brad Milkey. I'll see you next week at The Crime Scene.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
And before we even get into the police involvement, the police investigation, can we talk about then what these victims were doing on the night of the murder, Kena?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
OK, so what happens next is it goes past midnight into the early morning.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Hey, crime scene listeners, as we were about to hit publish on this episode, our second episode, something happened. Hundreds of pages of documents were filed by the prosecution last night with some fascinating details, including a final assignment belonging to the suspect, Brian Koberger, who had been studying criminology. And they say this could have a direct bearing on this case.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
What do you mean nothing? What happens next?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Wow. And the new development here is you got your hands on the audio of that 911 call, right?
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
So stick with us at the end of our conversation with ABC News anchor Kena Whitworth, and we will have the latest on that breaking news next. in addition to everything coming up right now. For the first time, ABC News has obtained the audio from a 911 call in the Idaho college murders case that shocked the nation. What we've learned could change the way we see the whole case.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Okay, and we are going to take a quick break right here. When we come back, we will hear the audio of that 911 call and talk about what it means for this case.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
OK, we're back with Kena Whitworth. ABC News has obtained the 911 call of that fateful night in Moscow, Idaho, which we're going to play right now. And just a warning to listeners, we're going to play almost the whole call here. The only thing authorities redacted is the phone number given by the caller. You'll hear silence there. This call is disturbing.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
So if you don't want to hear it, I would skip ahead about five minutes. OK, here's the call.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Wait, can I just pause this, Kena? Because it sounds clear to me like they haven't, they know something's wrong, but they have not even gone in the room where these bodies are.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Welcome to the crime scene. Every week, we talk about the biggest true crime story of the moment with the ABC News reporters who know it best. I'm Brad Milkey. I host ABC's daily news podcast, Start Here. And here, we're going to bring you the latest on what's big and what's new in the true crime scene.
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The Crime Scene: New Details in Idaho Murders Case
Okay, and so let's play the rest of this. This is sort of as they're finding the condition of the bodies here that we now know are past saving. Okay.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Something is off. She's just a little girl. You think she's faking it? She has adult teeth? There are signs of puberty?
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
I don't know what's going on. How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
So he gets arrested in 2023. He's not spoken to anybody on camera, Josh, until you.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
How does he explain the memoir, the interviews, like he has said in public? Yeah, I was there on the night.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
This is interesting to me because we've talked in the past about prosecutors holding the words of people in the music world against them. And the artist will say like, oh, that's just my public persona. It doesn't mean it's the truth. Usually in that case, we're talking about songs and lyrics. This is a memoir that Keefie D presented as nonfiction, right? And now he's changing his story.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Well, and Reggie actually spoke to ABC News last year and he denied this. He said, I didn't have anything to do with that. It was one of the worst days of my life when I heard that it happened. But I mean, back to Kifidi, how does he respond to that?
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Once you convict him of something violent, now that's public record that he's done something violent. He could do other things that are violent.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
And so at the end of all this, it's been nearly three decades. You've got one guy in jail awaiting the first trial that we've seen in this murder. What is the legacy of this murder in this particular case end up being?
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
had been shot and killed on the streets of las vegas and los angeles i have to think that those cases might have been solved more quickly right to which cops in las vegas and in la have repeatedly said like we have had real issues to confront here we've had the code of the streets we've had this sort of code of silence and yet like you said so many questions throughout all of this josh margolin our chief investigative reporter thank you so much thanks brad
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Now, let's quickly hit up the other big stories in the world of true crime this week. First up, in Waterbury, Connecticut, you might have heard of this. A woman has been arrested for holding her stepson in captivity at their home for over 20 years. The male victim was discovered when police responded to a report of an active fire at a residence.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
The victim told first responders that he had intentionally set that fire, saying, I want my freedom. He further alleged he had been held captive by his stepmom since he was approximately 11 years old. Police said he had been forced to endure prolonged abuse, starvation, severe neglect and inhumane treatment.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
In Winnipeg, Canada, authorities announced recently that after an exhaustive search, the remains of 39-year-old Morgan Harris had been recovered from a landfill. You might remember that last year, Jeremy Skibitsky was charged, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison for the murder of four indigenous women, but not all the bodies had been found.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Despite the pressure that local indigenous groups have continued to place on law enforcement, Morgan Harris is just the second victim whose remains have been located. Lastly, down in St. Petersburg, Florida, a couple has been charged with the kidnapping and murder of 16-year-old Miranda Corsette, who was reported missing on February 24th.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Investigators believe this couple, 35-year-old Steven Gress and 37-year-old Michelle Brandes, first met Corsette on a social media platform on Valentine's Day. Police allege she stayed at their home for a few days and then was killed sometime between the 20th and 24th after some sort of dispute broke out between the three of them.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
dies later that week. Well, and before we even get into the investigation here, can we also just take a moment to talk about how big of a deal this was at the time? Because it is tough to overstate the influence of Tupac Shakur in this moment. He had just released his album All Eyes on Me earlier that year, and that has one of his best known songs, California Love.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
On March 8th, Michelle Brandes turned herself and her partner over to the police. They didn't have to go far to find Gress, who was already in jail on the unrelated charges of drug possession and threatening Brandes with a harpoon. Both suspects have been charged with first-degree murder, and so far there have been no pleas, no statements by either defendant.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
All right, that'll do it for our very first episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us. The Crime Scene Weekly is a production of ABC Audio, produced by Nora Ritchie and Meg Fierro. Our supervising producer is Susie Liu. Mixing by Meg Fierro. Special thanks to Liz Alessi, Tara Gimbel, Madeline Wood, Josh Margolin, and Sasha Pesnik.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Josh Cohan is our director of podcast programming. Laura Mayer is our executive producer. I'm Brad Milkey. I'll see you next time at The Crime Scene. Hear me out. You'll both move in with me.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
And yet he's also in the middle of what's becoming this intense East Coast, West Coast rivalry. He's on the West Coast.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
The question of who killed rap icon Tupac Shakur has been a mystery for nearly 30 years. Well now, the only person ever charged in his murder is speaking out for the first time since his arrest. Welcome to the crime scene. Every week, we talk about the biggest true crime story of the moment with the ABC News reporters who know it best. I'm Brad Milkey. I host ABC's daily news podcast, Start Here.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Yeah, like there have been various reports over the years, like the L.A. Times has talked about how should not hire known blood members. How does Kifidi get wrapped up in the Tupac case?
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
So it seems like then, according to police, Kifidi made his admissions as part of what's known as a proffer agreement, right? So you can't be prosecuted for what you say. What did he tell the cops then? Like, what is the information?
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
And starting now, I'm bringing you the latest on what's big and what's new in the true crime scene. This week, we're hearing from the man who, for years, put himself at the scene of Tupac's murder and is now changing his story completely. Since his arrest, he had never spoken on camera until he chose to sit down across from ABC's chief investigative reporter, Josh Margolin.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
Well, and Orlando Anderson had denied being the shooter, but now he can't even speak for himself because he died two years after that shootout. This does allegedly place Kifidi at the scene of the crime, though, right? And Kifidi is apparently telling this to prosecutors. And that's not even the only time he speaks about this, right? Like he's been on record about this several times.
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
And Josh is with us now. Hey, Josh. Brad, how are you? I'm okay. Thanks for being here, because... This is one of the most infamous murders in rap history, in music history, and it's remained unsolved for nearly three decades. So I guess take me back to the beginning, like the night of September 7th, 1996. What happened?
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The Crime Scene: Tupac Murder Suspect Speaks Out
And we're going to take a quick pause right here, but we will be back with Josh Margolin right after the break.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
That's not in dispute, right? They were convicted of murdering their parents. Can you take us back to that time? What was life like for this family?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
All right, we're back with ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt Gutman, who's been following the Menendez case for years. Matt, the family has asked the DA to reconsider his ruling on the resentencing. What happens next?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Because it's like, the previous DA has already set the wheels in motion, and so then, like, you don't just want to have DAs, political appointees, like, going back and forth on whether somebody can get out of prison or not.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Still up to the judge, like you said, but he's basically pulling any support that the DA's office had for this whole thing.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Well, so, OK, so then there's the D.A. who has a lot of power in this case. There's the judge who theoretically has even more power. Right. He could even deny the D.A. 's request here. Then there's the governor of California. Right. In any case, I know we talk about death row, but can't the governor like commute their sentences if he felt like it?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Okay, so next steps, Matt? I mean, because this is all happening, all of us after 35 years, it's all happening very quickly. What happens next?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
What's the big takeaway from all this, Matt, at the end of the day? You've been sitting with this case now for years, and all this is changing right now. I mean, what is so resonant about this at this moment?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Right. And can our definitions of justice shift over time, even when we write laws that we treat as permanent, like life without the possibility of parole? Matt Gutman, our chief national correspondent, thank you so much for being here. Thanks, Brad. Now, let's check in on some of the other biggest true crime headlines that are making waves this week.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
First up, the rapper Sean Kingston and his mother, Janice Turner, were found guilty of committing more than a million dollars in wire fraud in their federal trial last week. Authorities presented evidence showing the pair used fake wire transfer receipts to obtain jewelry, a Cadillac Escalade and furniture.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
A key piece of evidence here was a text message from Kingston to his mother that read, I told you to make a fake receipt, followed by, so it looks like the transfer will be there in a couple of days. The mother and son are scheduled to be sentenced on July 11th.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Next up, Jodi Hildebrandt, who was a co-defendant in the case of mommy vlogger turned convicted child abuser Ruby Frankie, is now challenging her own conviction.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Hildebrandt pleaded guilty to abusing Ruby Frankie's two youngest children, but in a new filing, Hildebrandt alleges she did not understand her rights when she entered that guilty plea, saying she had ineffective counsel and was denied due process. She's also claiming prosecutorial misconduct.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
In related news, the divorce of Ruby and Kevin Franke is now final, and Kevin Franke was given full custody of the four children who are still minors. Lastly, an anesthesiologist named Gerhard Koenig has been charged with trying to kill his wife on a Hawaii hiking trail.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
The wife wrote in a petition for a temporary restraining order that her husband pushed her toward the edge of a cliff before attempting to inject her with a syringe. A judge signed an order saying Koenig must stay away from his wife and their children. No plea has been entered. All right, and that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
The Crime Scene Weekly is a production of ABC Audio, produced by Nora Ritchie. Our supervising producer is Susie Liu. Mixing by Shane McKeon. Special thanks to Liz Alessi, Tara Gimbel, and Emily Schutz. Josh Kohan is our director of podcast programming. Laura Mayer is our executive producer. I'm Brad Milkey, and I'll see you next week at The Crime Scene.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
And so in 1993, their trials began. I think they were tried separately at the time, right? They both pleaded not guilty. What was the claim they were making?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Well, and speaking of this moment, this was also the beginning of cameras in courtrooms, as we now know them. And there was footage from this trial that ABC has. And in fact, here's a clip of Lyle Menendez on the stand talking about what, again, at this moment was sort of earth shattering for us to hear. So let's listen to that.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
What was the reaction to that, Matt?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
You said imperfect self-defense. What does that mean? Because this isn't a question of whether or not they killed their parents, right? Like at this point, they have admitted, yes, we committed this very grotesque act, but they're saying it's not murder because it was self-defense. What is the argument they're making here?
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
35 years after the gruesome double murder that gripped the nation, the Menendez brothers are back in the spotlight and fighting for their freedom. But it's not just what you know, it's who you know and who you can get on your side. Over the last couple weeks, that's all changing. Welcome to the crime scene. I'm Brad Milkey. I host ABC's daily news podcast, Start Here.
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The Crime Scene: The Menendez Brothers' Fight For Freedom
Well, and then Matt, like that's about as final of an end as you can have in this legal system. But then after spending decades behind bars, there were these incredible new developments starting in 2023. The brothers filed a petition for review of new evidence that they say wasn't presented at their original trial. This is now a petition to get a new trial.
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How did that work and what was the new evidence? Well,
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Which is also important because the family had denied that abuse was happening, but here if you've got evidence that it might have been happening not just with the boys but other people as well, that all of a sudden becomes more plausible, I presume.
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Well, and that's the thing that is like this groundswell also seems to involve, it's a whole new generation of people who are like, yes, childhood sexual trauma is real, is more common than we might've thought and has a greater effect than, than we might've thought on people. So I guess I'm wondering how all that sort of plays into the DA's decision.
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And every week, we're bringing you the latest on what's big and what's new in the true crime scene. This week, we're talking to ABC chief national correspondent Matt Gutman, who's based in L.A. and has been following this case for years. He's with us now. Hey, Matt. Hey, Brad.
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Wait, okay, so you said it depends on which DA, because that DA that you're talking about, he then loses that election, right? A new DA comes in. What's his opinion on it then?
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Before we get into the recent news, I just want to revisit some important details here, because I grew up in Southern California, Matt. Like, I grew up on the OJ trial, the Tupac killing, and yet this still remains one of the most infamous double murders of its day. So Lyle and Eric Menendez, 18 and 21, gunned down and killed their parents, Jose Menendez and Kitty Menendez in Beverly Hills.
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So then Hockman is kind of signaling how he feels about this case. He's kept his cards close to his vest, but like now he's saying, I don't buy it. The family says, please, please reconsider. Hockman declined to comment on the letter. We're going to take a quick break right here. And when we come back, we're going to hear more about the DA's ruling.
Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy
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Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy
Party's Over
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow The Crime Scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
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Why the long break for you in your mind? How would you break it down for the fans?
Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy
Me & U
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here. But I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy
Me & U
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow The Crime Scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.
Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy
Invincible
here for adoption she has dwarfism starring Ellen Pompeo and Mark Duplass something is off she's just a little girl you think she's faking she has adult teeth there are signs of puberty inspired by the shocking stories that tore a family apart I don't know what's going on how old are you you should get a lawyer you have no idea how those people hurt this girl
Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy
Invincible
Hey, I'm Brad Milkey. You may know me as the host of ABC Audio's daily news podcast, Start Here, but I'd like to add aspiring true crime expert to my resume. And here's how I'm going to make it happen. Every week, I'm going to unpack the biggest true crime story that everyone is talking about.
Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy
Invincible
ABC's got some unique access here, so I'll talk to the reporters and producers who have followed these cases for months, sometimes years. We'll bring you the latest developments and the larger context on the true crime stories you've been hearing about. Follow the crime scene for special access to the people who know these stories best.