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Bad Rap: The Case Against Diddy

The Trial: Abuse or Coercion?

Tue, 13 May 2025

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The newly seated jury heard opening statements with dueling explanations of events: The government said the evidence will show that the sexual conduct in this case was coercive and criminal. The defense conceded Combs “has a temper” and “got violent” when they say he drank or used drugs, but said domestic violence is not part of the charges. Early prosecution witnesses included a former hotel security guard who testified about Combs’s violence toward Cassie in a 2016 incident and a male escort. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: Who is covering the trial and what is the podcast about?

0.635 - 20.559 Brad Milkey

Hey, it's Brad Milkey. This week on the Crime Scene Weekly, we're talking about a mom who gained national attention for faking her own kidnapping. Sherry Papini is back in the spotlight, but now she's changing her story and trying to change her custody arrangement with her kids. Listen to the latest from the case on the Crime Scene Weekly.

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Chapter 2: What is the atmosphere outside the courtroom on trial day?

24.611 - 39.363 News Reporter

It is Monday, May 12th, and we're about an hour away before the jury is finalized in the case against Sean Combs. There's quite the line. From what I've been told, people have been waiting outside since yesterday at 2 p.m. to get in when courts are supposed to start until 8.30.

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44.607 - 71.938 Brian Buckmeyer

By some miracle slash by me using my ID as an officer of the court, I was actually one of the first members of the media to walk into the courtroom. A ton happened the first day in USA v. Sean Combs. We got a jury. And as soon as they were seated, we raced into opening statements from both the prosecution and then the defense. We've even had the first two witnesses take the stand.

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72.952 - 100.324 Brian Buckmeyer

In this episode, I'm going to share all of my impressions of day one of Diddy's trial. My first look at the jury, the arguments each side laid out in their opening statements, and why the defense's argument might be stronger than I originally thought. I'm Brian Buckmeyer, an ABC News legal contributor and practicing attorney. You're listening to Bad Rap, the case against Diddy.

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101.292 - 129.716 Brian Buckmeyer

this episode abuse or coercion on the day of opening statements i see a line that stretches for almost half a block some people are excited some people are furiously scribbling notes it's a combination of the press and the public waiting in the same line as we attempt to get into this courtroom that Max only holds about 85 people.

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130.676 - 148.302 Brian Buckmeyer

I go through the entrance where Danny Garagos, Mark Ignifilo, Brian Steele, and all the other defense attorneys walk in. In fact, I did walk in with them. As Sean Combs walked into the courtroom with a khaki sweater, white button down underneath, and gray slacks,

Chapter 3: How was the jury selected for the Sean Combs trial?

149.142 - 174.892 Brian Buckmeyer

He immediately started to beam with happiness as he saw his children, smiling, holding his hand over his heart, making a heart symbol to his daughters with both hands as they replied the same way and blowing kisses to his family. His sons, his daughters, his mother, and at least two rows of family members filled all in support of Sean Combs just feet behind him.

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176.073 - 211.138 Brian Buckmeyer

Shortly after sitting down, I could tell by looking over his shoulder that he opened up a Bible and began to read before court proceedings began. The first order of business was to pick a jury. To go from 43 prospective jurors to 12 and six, 12 to deliberate and six potential alternates. It was very quick. The judge went first to the prosecution. Who do you want to eliminate? They gave a number.

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Then to the defense, they gave two numbers and back and forth and back and forth until ultimately we have 12 jurors and six alternates. All 18 people came into the court.

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225.314 - 254.76 Brian Buckmeyer

once everyone was seated the judge began to give the jury instructions and as he did i looked from left to right looking at the different people that encompass this jury eight men four women but even beyond their gender the thing that probably stood out to me the most was the age of these jurors. At least half of the jurors were from the ages of 51 to 74.

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Chapter 4: What is the composition and possible impact of the jury's demographics?

254.8 - 286.618 Brian Buckmeyer

And if you take out the 51-year-olds, five of them are 67 years old and older. And the idea that came to me is not necessarily just from gender, but from age. This could benefit the defense. Consent is going to be a very big issue in this case, as it's the difference between domestic violence and trafficking. And if you're asking the question of, is this consent or not, from my experience, it's

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288.078 - 312.758 Brian Buckmeyer

The older a person is, they have a stricter understanding of consent than that of a younger person. And the definition the defense seems to be working on in this case, it may benefit them more to have an older jury. And the issue of sex and violence came up in opening statements. The government began first.

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313.53 - 337.804 Brian Buckmeyer

painting the picture of Sean Combs being an icon, a leader, someone who people might have even looked up to, but having a very dark side that many did not see, at least not until this case. They talked about how Sean Combs and Cassie were in a relationship that turned violent. They also talked about another alleged victim by the name of Jane and Mia.

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Chapter 5: What opening statements did the prosecution present?

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They said that these individuals, Jane and Cassie, were in a relationship with Sean Combs, and Mia was an employee. But each one of these individuals were impacted by violence, sexual abuse, or harassment in some way, shape, or form to compel them to do an act. Like participating in a well-orchestrated freak-off at the behest of Sean Combs.

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365.694 - 390.463 Brian Buckmeyer

For the defense, it was an interesting opening statement by Tenney Garagos. And remember, Sean Combs, he's pled not guilty to all of the charges he's facing. Unlike many opening statements by the defense, this wasn't the defense simply saying, all of this isn't true. Instead, Garagos took the position of Sean Combs is a domestic abuser.

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391.553 - 408.425 Brian Buckmeyer

You're going to see things in this case where you're going to say, he's not a good person. I don't like him. He did a horrible thing. And Garagos said a thing that most defense attorneys don't say, that the actions of her client are indefensible.

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But she drew a very fine line between what he did, saying if this was a domestic violence case, we would not be on trial, and what he's accused of, saying that these were isolated incidences of domestic abuse and not a 20-year-long criminal enterprise of coercing, forcing or using fraud to traffic individuals. That Sean Combs may be guilty of some things, but not the things that he is accused of.

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441.666 - 454.334 Brian Buckmeyer

Because at the end of the day, there's a video that the defense cannot get away from, but must instead explain in a way that does not convict Sean Combs. And that seemed to be at the heart of the defense's opening statements.

461.027 - 476.378 Brian Buckmeyer

I was somewhat surprised by the defense's opening statements, because I thought this would have just been an easy, open and shut, nothing to interpret type of defense, where they simply just say, these people are lying, I challenge your credibility, they're making stuff up.

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But instead we're going to have to look at these facts in the case and say, well, is this an isolated incident of domestic abuse between two people, according to the defense, that are in a violent relationship? Or was this a pattern in order to coerce, force, or use fraud to control and traffic individuals?

500.679 - 505.363 Brian Buckmeyer

It's a much deeper question to think about than I thought I would have to in a trial like this.

Chapter 6: How does the defense describe Sean Combs and his alleged actions?

511.297 - 532.311 Brian Buckmeyer

So for example, this defense was so interesting because while we've seen that intercontinental video so many times, the defense's interpretation of it was that Cassie had seen something on Sean Combs' phone and that this was a violent interaction in which Sean Combs was trying to take back his phone after some sort of jealous argument.

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532.971 - 554.804 Brian Buckmeyer

Now, we've all seen that video, but we've never seen it in that light. And it made me think, do I need to go back and look at this video to better understand it? And if you can get someone to that point where they can slightly change their perspective of probably the most damning piece of evidence, to me, as a defense attorney, you might be on the right path.

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555.545 - 583.905 Brian Buckmeyer

Now, could Cassie testify in a way that obliterates that argument? Could we look at that video and not see it in the way the defense is arguing? Absolutely. But if you can get a jury to second guess, to look again and think, could there be something? In most worlds, that's the beginning of a good defense. There were two witnesses that testified at the end of the first day of trial.

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First, a former security guard at the Intercontinental who interacted with both Sean Combs and Cassie. And what we saw in that very violent interaction was on that security camera footage.

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598.113 - 617.669 Brian Buckmeyer

The second witness was a male escort that testified they came to New York City under the guise of believing they were going to perform at a bachelorette or a bachelor party, but instead found themselves in a hotel with just Sean Combs and Cassie. Now, the first witness laid out a few important facts.

618.59 - 643.912 Brian Buckmeyer

First, this was the individual that apparently had videotaped the actual video footage of Cassie being violently beaten by Sean Combs. He testified about looking at that video, making an incident report, and an interaction with Sean Combs where he alleges Combs had put some wad of money in his hand to which he believed was a bribe to make sure that video footage never got out.

644.872 - 673.092 Brian Buckmeyer

Again, another aspect the government will argue is a form of hiding the evidence, obstructing justice that goes into that racketeering conspiracy. The second witness talked about the interaction with Cassie. that again, he thought he was going to be an escort for some form of a party, but instead was directed to have sex with Cassie while Sean Combs directed and watched the incident.

674.072 - 702.353 Brian Buckmeyer

Sean Combs, according to the escort, also violently assaulted Cassie, pulling her by the hair as he said nothing. Both witnesses described shocking violence. The former security guard mentioning a malicious or menacing stare by Sean Combs. the escort talking about the violence and brutality, all to push back on the arguments from the defense that there was no malicious look.

703.374 - 731.224 Brian Buckmeyer

There was no trafficking in this. That this, as they argued, was domestic violence and not a form of trafficking. At the end of the day, the court doesn't get up and tell us, and this witness will testify next, and then that witness will testify next, but there are some clues as to who will be the next witness to testify.

Chapter 7: What is the defense's interpretation of the key video evidence?

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Chapter 8: Who were the first witnesses and what did they testify about?

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We have a brand new phone number where you can call in and leave us messages with your thoughts and questions about the case. We've had a great response so far, including a question we're gonna dig into today. Andy G from Reno, Nevada sent in this question. Hi Brian, thank you for all your updates and information on the Diddy case. I have been just fixated since I heard about his charges.

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957.78 - 982.415 Brian Buckmeyer

My question is, how come Sean Combs was present during jury selection? What part does he have in selecting prospective jurors? Well, thanks, Andy. So to answer that question, a criminal defendant has the right to be part of each and every part of the proceeding against him. And so Sean Combs can be there during jury selection. And the part that he has in playing in it is that he can contribute.

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982.975 - 1007.954 Brian Buckmeyer

He has the ability to say to his attorneys, I feel good about this perspective juror. I don't feel good about this juror. He can look and see and weigh in on how he thinks these jurors should be sculpted based on their responses, based on their body language, whatever it may be. Now, ultimately the defense attorney has the final word, but they're your client. You help them defend their case.

1008.614 - 1032.519 Brian Buckmeyer

And so participation is a big aspect of being a part of a case for both the defendant and their attorney. Thanks, Andy, for the question. So if you have any questions for me, I'd love to hear them. You might even hear me answer your question on the air. Give us a call at 646-504-3221. That's it for Bad Rap, The Case Against Diddy. I'm Brian Buckmeyer.

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If you're looking for even more coverage of the Diddy trial, you can check out ABC News Live's daily show, Burden of Proof, The Case Against Diddy. The show streams weekdays at 5.30 p.m. Eastern on ABC News Live. You can also find it on Disney+, Hulu, and on most of your favorite streaming apps. We'll be back in your feed with more updates later this week.

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Bad Rap, The Case Against Diddy is a production of ABC Audio. Thanks for listening.

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