Lauren
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Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
which is perfect because I think if you had two loud me's, you'd not have a good balance. And I just really liked her. And she just had like a lot of natural ability.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I think it changes your body to live here. I don't think it's our fault. I think that you just do become more of a wimp. I agree.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Not the town hall because it was so hot in there always. And it was like 50 people. You know, Luke's was always fun. The scenes in there were always fun. It always just had a lot of like energy. I used to get phone calls from like my cousins who'd be like, how many times are you going around the gazebo? Like you've been like, we would just walk around the gazebo a million times.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
So, you know, you just get such a sense memory of all these places. My house was always fun. And the kitchen was always, we had good scenes in the kitchen. It tended to be, you know, in the house where like, We'd have some good watching TV sitting on the couch with giant cheese puffs in front of us. The best. They were all really cozy. The damn town hall.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Kelly. Well, no. Gosh, everybody is and isn't, you know, like Kelly has that part of her, but she's warm. She's she's, you know, regal, but way warmer than than Emily, who who does who had warmth in there. Yes.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I think that that Everybody Loves an Irish Girl t-shirt that was my introduction to Instagram. Yeah, guys, I haven't even been on it a year yet. Really, was really waiting to just make sure it was going to stick. I think that was mine. And occasionally... But, you know, you're going to work at five in the morning. And like, so I wasn't I wasn't bringing in anything good.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Also, like my clothes are not her clothes are more fun than my clothes are not fun.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I don't do yoga. I try. I've tried. I'll try again. I just can't. People are like, oh, my God, the yoga. I don't know why I'm making impressions of my friends, making them sound like ding-dongs. But like, yeah, I can't do it. I don't know. It's so slow.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
There's a year when Alexis and I are in a fight. Rory and Lorelei are in a fight for a long time. And and we would talk about it. And Amy was like, you know, you can't do a show for this long and not have conflict. But it. I forget even what the conflict was, but it went on for a while. And that's the one that I would hear from people that they didn't like. I agree.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I won't be gotten here or anywhere else. I'll never say they were all a good fit for her at the time because there were a learning experience. Oh my God, you're so... That's the right answer. We all learn from even the frogs.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And dating is a real big word for some of the experiences. But you know, you're there 14, 15 hours. Who else are you going to meet?
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, that really was the scene that was the hook of the show. Weirdly or... I had never seen that scene before in anything. And I thought like, that's really creative. That's a great way to introduce that. These are, you know, people who are close in age. And, um, I, I, I did sort of feel like that's the, I can still, I can remember it really well. Um,
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
You know, it was one of the first scenes, if not the first scene we shot at Luke's diner. I don't know. I felt like that that was a really fun... The kid playing the kid was really cute. And Alexis was like, are you my new daddy? Like speaking of call her daddy. And I don't know. It was just really fun. It was like the hook of the show.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
She did? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I remember. Lauren! I remember, I remember, I remember. Oh, I mean, there are these things where, yeah, that was bad.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I mean, it's tough because I don't want to wreck anything for anybody. I loved those scenes. They were a real bear to shoot because somebody's eating here and somebody's eating there. Somebody's eating here. You got to move the camera all the way around. And so they would take a really long time and you'd sit in front of that like fake fancy food.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And, you know, but we would just... That was also...
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
so key to the show to so you know so we we loved them while they took a long time I didn't even think about that as like when you're in production like you're like I'm which I guess could then kind of in a positive way like add to your annoyance exactly like shut up mom and you're like getting annoyed well and it and it does it's it's an interesting exercise in continuity because as you know the hours tick by
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
What are what's your emotional level? Where did your elbow go? Like, so there was a kind of you're right, like, constraint in there or something that like, you had to keep doing this the same exact way and yet keep it fresh, which is kind of indicative of how you were actually supposed to be feeling while you're shooting that scene.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And then it ends like what was that last day like for you? It was really emotional. We had our wonderful director, Lee Charlotte Schemmel, who was. was like, guys, you know, I'm going to do a shot at the end that mimics the shot that is in the pilot that sort of pulls away from Luke's and we're like there in the diner. She's like, in case this is it. And the whole year had been really emotional.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
We were very lost without as good writers we had. We were kind of lost without Amy and Dan. the show just didn't feel the same. We couldn't even, it was like, should we try to stay? Should we try to keep going? And it's not up to the actors. So there were many, many, many conversations and it just did feel like you want to be able to say goodbye to something and we didn't get to do that.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, I... really have enjoyed because I worked for a big chunk of the year and I'm I'm in kind of a newish house that I haven't like gotten I haven't gotten to spend a lot of time there I really love doing very little and my favorite thing about my house is I put because the I put the coffee machine where the bedrooms are on the bedroom level so I get up I get out of bed I go boop
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, it didn't happen until a few weeks later. There were still conversations going on. Who knows how that decision ultimately got made. But I was at a restaurant and the waiter came over and was like, your agents on the phone, which was very dramatic, glamorous. I was like, Oh, excuse me, my agents on the phone.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And I went and picked up the phone at the bar because I guess I don't know what was going on with cell phones then. And or why he knew where I was or like why I don't know any of it, but and he said it's over. And I didn't know how to feel. And I didn't know, you know, later, different a couple different cast members said, you know, you didn't call me.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And I was like, oh God, I wouldn't even have thought it was my job or my place to call anybody and tell them.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
It just made me so happy. It's so... it would just made me so happy. I, I, I was like on a little cloud the entire time. I, because it was such an opportunity that you don't get very often to do a, not a do over, but like get to return to something with people feeling enthusiastic and you know, it's going to be completed. You know, it's not a pilot. It was just an incredible opportunity. And yeah,
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I don't know, everything about it was just, it was the most probably fun I've had at work.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I think this is just my theory. I do not know. This is how much I'm superstitious or in love with the show. There are questions I could probably get an answer to that I have never asked. I never asked because Amy said from the beginning she knew what the final four words of the show were. She knew from the beginning. And she didn't get to do it in season seven.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
It had to wait until, like, she knew that was the, those were the final words. I never asked her. I didn't even ask her when we were shooting that episode of the show. I don't think I asked her until, because it wasn't in the script. Because it's what, mom, I'm pregnant? Mom, what, I'm pregnant. And she didn't put it in the script because she didn't want it to leak.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
So she just told us when we kind of got there. And so it did feel like a cliffhanger. I think it was. I think maybe the thought was we would go into another season then. But I have never asked and I don't know. Why don't you ask? Because I don't know. Because I'm scared. I don't know. Because I guess I feel like if that didn't happen, was that like, I don't know. Like, I don't want to know.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I don't want to see behind the curtain of like, did they not feel like doing it? Did Netflix not feel like doing it? Were they waiting? What were they waiting on? There's just a little bit of movie magic that I would like to maintain. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have your theories of who you think the father is? I do. Are you going to tell me?
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, there are two theories and either one, I'll just speak as a producer type now, could send the story forward. It could be the Wookiee who she fools around with in that storyline. It could be Logan. And either way, it's juicy. Okay. Either way, it's juicy. Yeah, that's fair. I know.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
It could be some one night stand, which then what does that do to her relationship to the guy she's maybe, you know, was going to go down that path or it could be. Could be him. This is good tea.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Oh my God. Because that's what I was going to wonder is, is that a rewatch in the way, it's not in the same way, but I don't hear that as much that people rewatch it.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
to the coffee maker. I get back in bed and I do like every New York Times puzzle. I'll read. I'll like I just the luxury of not having a 5 a.m. call time is just really a wonderful place.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But predominantly, like, just it was the most easy filming experience, which... You bond to some degree no matter what, but when something's easy and you just have a lot of time to just sit around and chit-chat, that's just so fun. How lucky were we that we got to... you know, make this show where it was a very different way of working.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And it was a much looser kind of way of working. And they each have their merit and they each like belong to the kind of show it is. And I just love, I just love everybody truly. And, and, you know, in particular had the fortune of May and miles being like,
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
a child of mine adjacent like incredible friendships that have that have lasted and you know my friendship with Dax I don't see him as much but like there's just some really wonderful people every scene was so much fun to do um
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
but you also want to be a part of it. And there was such pride, I'll say, amongst the cast. Everybody in their own family unit really had their own thing and their own kind of language, their own way they did things. And, you know, so it was easy when we would all get together to have these sort of organic conflicts and, you know, ribbing and kind of fun and, like, it's a really good group.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I mean, there is just a strange thing Mae Whitman and I have, which is, like... it's like we are speaking some twin language. And there were many, many scenes with her almost to the degree that I was like, this must stop. We cannot continue. I'd have a tiny little maybe tear in my eye. She'd be like, nope, nope, don't do it. Don't do it.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And like, you know, I think of like when we're singing, playing guitar and stuff. And like, you know, she improvised a line one day where she said, she said, you're my hero. And I'm pretty sure she just like came up with that. And like, it's just a weirdo kind of connection that, you know, we're having right now.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Gilmore Girls never. Okay. And parenthood sometimes. And, you know... and both just have their merit.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Always feels weird to be asked, and many times I was lying because it's such a strange thing to talk about, which I still mainly don't talk about, like something that... Thank you.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, it's gotten, it's pretty, it can be anything. First of all, I'll drink coffee from the gas station. I don't care. And also I'll have like really coffee with like a lot of, you know, footnotes on it. Like can you? And also, but the thing that I do around holiday time, so the coffee is just coffee. I like this vanilla creamer.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
That's really, really nice of you to say. Thank you. I'm excited too. How are you doing today? Listen, I was running a little late. It's raining in California, which always freaks everybody out. But I'm otherwise good.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And then I've started being this person, which is I have whipped cream in a can and I put whipped cream on top of my coffee and cinnamon. It's the best thing you've ever had. And the whipped cream was just like for holidays. I was like, certainly no one can just have whipped cream on their coffee. That's just decadent. And then I just kept it from Christmas. It's so good.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
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Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
It was all written. It was all there. The coffees. I mean, it's in the.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
first episode right she goes and he's you know demands more coffee and he's like you've had enough no that was just there and um you know like it was one of the many kind of serendipitous aspects of that part and that time that character is like we just shared a lot of traits okay I'm gonna move my coffee machine upstairs I don't know how I'm doing it but I'm doing it
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
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Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I mean, so many things. First of all, I think in the beginning, something should be easy. It should not be, I don't know, are they going to call? Like any of that kind of gamesmanship. I think I have a great sense of how I connect to somebody who physically, intellectually, humor. I really love a certain level of back and forth banter.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I know that, and I think the thing I know now better is also like, how are we going to live this life together? And it's interesting, all my friends my age, some are still married for a long time, some have been in the dating world, the people who are the happiest are doing what they want to do and being really clear up front.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I have a friend who's like, I don't really think I'm going to get married again. And I just want to be having fun and out there. And so I just think, and that is a gift of age, if you let it be, which is you can just say what you would like. And there's no amount of You can't love somebody into being who you want them to be or wanting the same things.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And I think not to put women in a stereotype, but I think it's easy to be like, if I just dot, dot, dot, then he'll dot, dot, dot. And I don't think that works.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, is there something besides starting over that can give you fulfillment that is a project you have that is not dependent on outside validation I really as a writer have gotten an incredible amount of satisfaction in just the practice of of putting these books together and you get better the more you do something, no matter what. No matter what.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Like, you don't have to be... I just took up tennis this year. I'm terrible. But I practice and I get better. And that is such a basic thing that really, because of tennis, really became new to me. And the writing is that too. I just get better with doing more. And so... job you're nine to five or nobody works nine to five anymore, but, um, your job is one piece of you.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Can it, can it, can you give yourself something else so that, you know, I mean, it's hobbies, it's, you know, travel, it's reading, it's whatever else.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I really get that. It's it, they, they will end. Um,
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I talked I've talked about before when I finished Gilmore Girls and I was like anybody who's who's up for dinner no one everybody had children and while I was gone like everybody was in a different life phase that's what I mean I have often been out of that step and I think one thing is you have to meet your friend where they are and like go over to the house and play with the toddler and like understand that you you don't you guys don't have the same hours but the the kids eventually go to college
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Those fuckers are gone now. Well, I have like all my, you know, when I get to go home, my high school girlfriends are like, their kids are gone now. And like, it's almost like, it's one of the many, many things I loved about the Bridget Jones movie and book. But this most recent one is like, she's back in the dating scene because, you know, she, for happy and sad reasons, can be.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
It's always the same. We're all, you know... it's like you keep meeting the same challenges and, and in life.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I mean, there's really just no, the only falling behind is in your mind. You know, I used to, I skipped a grade when I was little and, and for a long time I was like, I have an extra year. Yeah. There's no such thing. I was like, I have an extra year before I'm the same age as people who are a year ahead of me. There is only what you tell yourself.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And if you've seen any Nancy Meyers movies, you know that people come around at different ages. But it is hard when you're not with your peer group. Yeah.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I guess being asked about aging. I was talking about this today with some people – You and I are having this experience. We are having this conversation. We are different ages. Someday when you are my age and you are talking to someone who is now your age, you will not feel the difference as much. I think the younger person feels the difference more than the older person. I am the same person.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I... I think it's psychotic, the number of years I have lived on this planet. I'm like, surely that's a miscount. Surely that's wrong. It genuinely does not feel that way. As opposed to when I was 30, I was like, I feel 30. I understood 40. This now is like... I just don't accept it. And that's funny. And the stuff that – because mainly I'm just living the same life.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
There are some things where you go, oh, I fell and, you know, broke a thing and like the recovery took a little longer or whatever. So – but – I am amazed at the people I know who are giving into a sense of sadness.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
about getting older or not feeling the same way they did I meet that by not in a brutal way but like I fight that I fight the urge to be like oh I just even don't even like when you know friends are like oh well I'm so old I can't remember that you know whatever like it's I think it's just also my mom passed at age 61 like I'm not that far away from that like I don't want to be living in
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I wrote this in another essay, which is I know what I want and I'm grateful for what I have. That is the best thing about it to me. And, and I, and the fun, you can make it fun if you plan what's next, like as much as you can, you think about so that it doesn't. Cause I think the, you know, I, I went to the theater on Sunday here in Los Angeles, which is unusual. And
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
90% of the audience was older, like way much, much older, which you don't see in LA. And I just found it fascinating. What is that going to be like? I like to think about that. I like to plan for that. I like to imagine what kind of, that's a stylish lady in her perhaps 70s. How do I want to
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
approach that so that i'm not scared by it i'm not freaked out by it and i'm not depressed because it truly is all the things people say of like you should be so lucky to be in all those places and yeah and the how you look thing is like i don't know it's so tired yeah like it's how do you think men and women handle
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I've actually heard from, I think it's a vulnerable thing for guys too. And there is like popular opinion would say they have it easier, but I think it's, it's, if you identified as a beauty of either man or woman as, as a younger person, I think it's the loss might be greater. Like my mom was A stunningly beautiful person who literally turned heads on the street. I did not grow up with that.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I'm not saying – whatever. I just didn't have that identity. That was not my thing. So it's not – still not my thing. Like it's not – I don't feel the loss of like – That being treated that way. And even in relationship, I never like met someone across a crowded room. I was friends with them or I worked with them or I, it was organic.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Like it was just, I've, you know, would fall for the person and they would fall for me. And so, um, I think that makes it a little bit easier.
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I'm so – it's different. That's the – that was one of the main things. I, like – I liked that this – first of all, it's a comedy. I really – this is how I would like to – spend my days now. I feel that I cannot touch the beauty that is Gilmore Girls. I really love that dramedy parenthood space. I did start in half hour and it was so fun to just do something that was a
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Because it's a trope of a kind and like that was there. But I was also like, this is so relatable to anybody when the thing you have worked for is taken away. Whether it was your fault or somebody else is coming up behind you or like, you know, or somebody's better at it. That is just evolution. That's just being a human on this planet. Like...
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
nothing lasts forever and and so and then I love the showrunner you know now again like I said it's putting all the pieces together I'm not just responding to the part I'm responding to what's this experience going to be do I get to have a say in creative conversation and like and also that it was you know we're the first scripted programming for to be uh original scripted programming and
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And I was like, that's fun. And I just want to say, probably the kids know, but people still say to me, oh, I can't have another subscription. It's free. You just download it. You, you know, put your email in if you want to save stuff, but it's so easy, the interface and it's, and it's, it's very, it doesn't cost you anything.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Endlessly, and it's not just women. We are, not to be real esoteric, we will be replaced. You and I will not be here forever. And that is – that's how it goes. And so that's true in work, in life. I remember I did a pilot that didn't get picked up. And one of the younger cast was like – she was like, so is this going to get picked up? And I was like, oh, I have no idea.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And she's like, what do you mean? They don't tell you? And I'm like, no. They don't know. Nobody knows. Nobody tells me. And she's like, so – You could see her, like, things. She was like, so this just keeps happening over and over where, like, you do something and then you see if it goes and then, you know, you don't know how that's going to turn out. And I was like, yeah. It's my life.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
You don't get to a place where it's just a slam dunk in life, in, you know, relationship, in work. What do you hope people take away from the show? Honestly, I just hope they have a good time. I mean, I've seen – it truly makes fun of everybody. No one is woke or –
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
doing a great job that's to me a fun comedy if everyone's silly and I think there's something there that we haven't you know that that does sort of that is in the zeitgeist of like do kids know not kids but I call them the kids on the show I'm sure they're so irritated um I'm like where are the kids are the kids coming to lunch um they're all like you know 29 years old um but so
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
You know, there's something there because we're living in various kinds of times. But on the one hand, a really expressive time where, you know, people can bring themselves to work, at least they do here. And like, this character does not understand what language they're speaking. And I just think that's relatable.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Thank you. And I love this conversation. And I just loved being asked these questions and being included in this, whatever this journey is going to be for you. So congratulations and thank you for inviting me.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I mean, none of them. They were all on the, you know, it's hard to do...
Call Her Daddy
Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
something in service of the thing you want to do but you're not there yet um but I didn't I didn't hate being a waitress I I liked the I like anything where you're moving and the time goes by really quickly I liked being an apprentice at summer stock even though like during the day we had to like clean the bathrooms and paint the fence and stuff work the box office um but that was just like we were all kind of in it together it was like a fun community um
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
No, everyone gets very stressed out and it's hard to, but it also looks really pretty and, you know, it makes the air feel healthier. True.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I liked being a tutor. I was a tutor for the SATs and stuff. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wait, that's a flex. Wait, no. Lauren, that's like, whoa. It was a little bit. Sure. I mean, really, the reason I got the job is because I had a car in New York City. And they were like, oh, we'll send her to Far Rockaway or whatever. But I like working with kids. And we weren't even that far apart in age.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I was like right out of grad school. And I'm working with like high school kids. So. So they were all kind of okay. I worked retail. I worked at Barney's. Oh, you did it all. Yeah.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
It feels really good. And and also it's hard to it's hard to comprehend. It's like I feel really lucky. I feel like honored. And it's just kind of crazy. I don't. Because where does it go from here? Like how many generations, you know?
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Everything you just said, I think it's a safe place to visit. And, you know, it's aspirational without being saccharine. I mean, this mother-daughter relationship is really fun and positive, but it has its bumps on the road. But I do think it's the writing as well, which is... kind of meets you, sorry, meets you wherever you are.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, I live in L.A. and New York. I still have a place in New York that I've had for a long time. So I'm I'm endlessly like asking that question. I think one extremely L.A. thing is to be really freaked out by like one inch of rain. And it is a thing to like really have long conversations about what freeway you took and why. And and it's just very L.A. to be like, oh, my gosh, it's 70 degrees.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
If you're a young person, you might miss some of the references and get some of the wit of it kind of as you get older. But I think there's a, it's almost to me, and this is what it was like performing it, it has a musicality to it. It's almost theater in a way, I feel like, how densely packed the dialogue is, but how kind of it takes you along like a song does, you know?
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And so I think it's something in your brain that like playing a song again, like you can kind of listen to it again. That's such an interesting way.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
There was no moment because it was a very slow burn and continues to be. I remember driving, I guess my window was down or something. I was at a stoplight and a more truckie driver guy was like, go more girls. And I was like... Unlikely, sir. You're an unlikely, but I love it. And so it was a really slow burn. That is the best where you're like, not the demographic I thought we were hitting.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
You can't believe how many men are like, I know it's not for me or it's not designed for me. And I'm like, it is for you. You should start a support group. Oh, that's cute. Yeah.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I was really struck by the sense of humor in the writing and that it was – because you have to remember this was a – we now have –
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
many more dramedies than we did then and i don't even know and and even when the show started picking up steam and getting submitted for things there was always a discussion every time of do we submit it in comedy or do we submit it in drama it doesn't really it is its own kind of thing and but it's that tone that i love the most and it did not occur to me
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
although it occurred to many other people in my work life, that she was a mom. Like, that wasn't the thing that struck me that because a lot of people then I was 30, I turned 32 on the pilot, I think, or right before. And people were like, don't play a mom. That's the end of your career. Like, you should, you know, play whatever girlfriends, you know, until you
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
You can't do that anymore or whatever. It was more like play the girlfriend. And I was like, oh, I don't think of this – mom is not – mom can be so many things. And I just really – I recognized the language. Like it was somebody speaking to me. I was like, I know that person already.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I loved it, too. And I think the aspect... Because you could have just stopped at the premise being, oh, she had her as a teenager. But it... It was also therefore allowed for them to have a more truly pure relationship except for when, you know, somebody needed to put their foot down. And we did it for each other in a way. And you buy it, I think, because that's the whole thing of the show.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
They're friends who are also mother and daughter. They're mother and daughter who are also friends. It's beautiful. Yeah.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I'm freezing like that has become like now I go to the East Coast and I can't I don't know how I ever lived there.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
I'm trying to think now. There was one in particular in the maybe first or second season where I was like, are they just stealing from my life? And it was probably in... I mean, of course, besides I was not a mom, but many parallels of... dating, career setbacks, dealing with parents. I mean, it's just all relatable.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
It is the wonderful evolution in television where the more the writer gets to know you, I mean, you're always playing, hopefully the best thing you can get in especially a TV show that's going to go on is you want to be the voice of the creator of the show. You want to be that character who You know, is them speaking through you kind of that's where you get the most juicy kind of material.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
But also, as they get to know you, they start writing for you even more. And that's really fun, fun and scary.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
just heard me gossiping over here how is that in the script this week get away yes I've like sat with actors sometimes we're like I had to like stop talking about my personal life yes in the script and right no you always hear that about like sex in the city and friends and stuff yeah I felt that less on parenthood where which I love that character I love that show too but I would get frustrated on her behalf sometimes I'd be like what can't she not have a win like what I mean she did have wins and and
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
And had, you know, such a beautiful relationship to that family, too.
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Lauren Graham: Lorelai, Love, & Life Lessons
Well, it was literally on our way to the table read because... They had waited for me because I was on another show. So by the time they cast me, they were ready to go, ready to shoot. And we went to Canada and I met Alexis in the lobby of the hotel. And we just always really got along.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Yeah. Like in my mind, I'm like, Oh, like live music, a live band, a singer, like love that. So now, and I'm like, yeah, totally. Like, let's go. So we close our tabs and we're walking to the next bar and we get to the next bar. Okay. It's a drag show. And I'm like, Oh, that's not entirely like what I was anticipating, but like, okay. Like I'm down fun. Like let's go to a drag show. Yeah.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So we're like watching the drag show. We're hanging out. We're laughing in my mind. I'm like, Oh, he thinks this is a date. He's so into me.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Like what a great night for me. I thought I was going to have a solo night night and now I'm on a date with this girl. Love. So like we're watching the drag show and then there's like an arcade in the bar too. So then we go play like some games together and we're talking and then we go sit at a table in the back and we get another drink and we're still just like chatting.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So we're talking and we've been hanging out for like an hour and a half now at this second bar. And I look up and I look around at the bar and I'm like, is this bar circus themed? And he's like, yeah. He's like, it's my favorite because it makes me feel like I'm at home. I'm like, what do you mean it makes me feel like you're at home?
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
And he's like, well, the past six years I've been in the circus. I just got out of the circus. I look around at the bar and I'm like, is this bar circus themed? And he's like, yeah. He's like, it's my favorite because it makes me feel like I'm at home. I'm like, what do you mean it makes you feel like you're at home? And he's like, well, the past six years I've been in the circus.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I just got out of the circus. I'm like, oh, you were in the circus. Like pop off. And I was like, he was telling you about like his roommate and him who just like moved out. And I'm like, by chance, was your roommate also in the circus? And he's like, yeah, all of my friends here are from the circus.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
And then like I like really like pause for a second and I like really take in my surroundings more. Like sober up a little bit. Yeah. It was a circus themed bar. It was a gay bar and he was a gay man.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
lauren sweetie lauren lauren i don't think he thought he was on a date with no he found a nice young straight woman who he thought loved the gays yeah who does love the gays i'm at this point let it be known i'm an ally
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
We. Lauren. I have something wrong with me. Like. My gaydar is broken. I can't tell a gay man from a straight man. I am sorry.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Yeah, I called it. And then I texted my friend who gave me the recommendation for the sushi place. And I was like, wow, so funny how this night turned out. My friend who gave me the recommendation is a gay man. And he was like, oh, honey, I could have told you you weren't going to meet me when I sent you to the gay neighborhood.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
fucking god lauren i know can i ask what he did in the circus uh yeah he was um the control panel operator so he coordinated the music the pyro and the lights operating in sync huh so at least he like it could have he wasn't i don't know i mean if you fling maybe that could have been cool it could have been cool too if he was like the flamethrower like he ate fire right
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
moving on okay so that okay so then I thought on the way home from this trip that I was gonna redeem myself so I'm flying home from this vacation and I am going home and like masturbating or you like so turned off they're like fuck I really fucked that up no I went home and I was like I need to like reevaluate some things
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So I'm trying to redeem myself. So I'm flying home from my Christmas vacation. I'm going back to Chicago and I'm in a fabulous mood. I'm feeling on top of the world because I just got upgraded to first class. I'm going to get on this plane. I'm going to have two glasses of red wine. I have like three hours left in my book.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I'm about to like sit down and like read like the final battle scene of my book. And I'm like, I'm going to have a great flight home. Love. So I walk onto the flight and I see that in first class, I am seated next to the hottest man in the entire world. Here we go again. No, no, no, no, no. And he's gay. No, he was straight. He was straight. Okay. I like definitely know he was straight.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
And I don't want to be the girl who cries hot guy on the plane. Because I know we said last time that like the guy on the plane was the hottest. This guy was... 10 times hotter than the guy on the 10 times hotter he was even dressed better he had like a fear of god like sweatshirt on like a little like hat like perfectly fitted jeans like a little so gay
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Well, I'm a free bird. Oh, I have I have no nothing tying me down, nothing holding me back. I can just go where the wind blows me and you do some cool things.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
can we also agree before you tell me the rest of the story that without a doubt every single fucking time that you go to the airport moving forward i have to stop looking like shit you have to get my shit together even if you're not full glam like you need to start did you see what i wore when i flew here yesterday no i arrived to your house yesterday what were you wearing i was wearing leggings a sweater and a little scarf and i had earrings on you had a scarf i had a scarf on
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
You know why the plane is good? Because other places, it could come across off-putting if someone just like... So it's talking. Talking to you. But like if you're seated next to someone on a plane, I'm not...
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
freak i'm not entirely off put if someone tries to talk to me okay that's fair okay so sorry back on track okay so i sit down next to him and i was ugly because i gotta start looking better on planes so i'm like a little insecure i'm like this guy's so hot and like how ugly like are you like you're like worst a little better than the last time i'm not hung over all right so it's not i'm not puffy but i just like don't have any makeup on and like my hair is greasy and in a bun yeah yeah yeah um and i think i'm wearing like a full sweatsuit
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
No, I was going to have to wow him with my personality.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Yeah, that's not my best asset. Okay. So, you know, when like someone's so hot, you're like a little uncomfortable. That's how I felt. So I popped in my AirPods and I was like, I just need to like be with myself a little bit and kind of strategize. Like what in the world could I make conversation with this guy about? And I'm like, I need to, I have a four hour flight.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I'm gonna hit pause, I'm gonna have two glasses of wine, I'm gonna read my book, and I'm gonna get a little liquid courage brewing inside of me. And then eventually I'm gonna find some way to make contact. So I get lost in my book for a second, and I kinda forget he's there. And I get a buzz on, and all of a sudden I realize I have to pee so bad.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
And I'm a bitch on planes when it comes to asking people to stand up to go to the bathroom. Absolutely. I don't think I'm a bitch in other areas of my life. I don't really have boundary issues. I can ask for like what I want and need. But when it comes to asking people to stand up on a plane so I can pee. It's terrifying. Worst nightmare.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So I'm like, all of a sudden like hits me, like I'm in my book and it just like hits me. I'm like, I have to pee so bad. And I look up at my man and he is knocked the fuck out. Oh, that's tough. Sleeping. But I'm like, it's just one person I have to ask to stand. And like, I have two and a half hours left. Like I gotta pee. Yeah. Like I can't do this.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So at first I like lightly tap him and I'm like, excuse me. not budging and then i go a little harder and i'm like excuse me and i'm like excuse me he gets a heart on okay wait so you go harder so i go a little harder and i'm like excuse me excuse me I'm doing this for like a few minutes and like, I'm wanting to like crawl in my skin. I'm like, I'm dying. Of course.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
The guy across the aisle sees me and he starts giving me encouragement. He's like, you got this, you got this, you got this. So I, I'm, I'm now like, okay, like he's, he's encouraging me. So I'm getting a little more like, like a little like, excuse me. And this guy's like still not waking up. So then the guy across the aisle reaches over and joins in.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So the guy across the aisle is leaning across the aisle on one shoulder. I'm on this guy's shoulder and we're both like, excuse me, excuse me. And he's not waking up. This is horrifying, Lauren. Fucking, Put your leg over that man's dick and lunge over him. Then the flight attendant joins in because the flight attendant comes over and is like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, what's going on here?
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
What are you guys doing to this man? And I'm like, I'm so sorry. I couldn't get him to wake up. And that guy saw me struggling. So then that guy joined in.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
to the flight attendant like you can tell this ain't her first rodeo she two hands him and jolts him awake and he wakes up i'm leaning over him on this side the flight attendant's over the front of him and the guy across the aisle is leaning over him too and he wakes up and he's like what the actual fuck probably panicked yeah like we're going down yeah and i'm like i'm so sorry i was trying to wake you up then they joined in the flight attendant saw us you're trying to harass you and she joined in and like now i'm so sorry that you're waking up like this and it was like he's like
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
can you imagine being on a plane and opening your eyes and there's four human beings above you i would be like someone's in the cockpit like someone's taking everyone down yeah dude oh but in my mind i'm like that actually couldn't have gone worse right but it's it's gonna be funny so i'm gonna go to the bathroom okay and like we're gonna come back and laugh about this because like how absurd that like he woke up that it took three people to wake him up and that he woke up with three people like you can
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
bond over yeah we now now i have an in now we have a bond love so i'm like okay like go to the bathroom like pee like this is gonna be so funny when i come back i come back he is knocked the fuck out again I come back. He's knocked the fuck out again. Like out cold. You're literally like, bro, bro. No. So I just crawl over him. You crawled over. I just crawled over into the rest of the sleep.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
He was sleeping like a sweet little angel baby. And when you land and when he landed, people normally wake up when you land, you know, like you like land and you're like, and like, you're like awake. He slept through the whole landing. He didn't get out until like the actual last second.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
No, like I think that would be nonconsensual. Lauren. So I'm just not having good luck.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I think it was because my relationship was crashing and burning. I wasn't in a good headspace.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So last I told the daddy gang was about my high school reunion. Yeah. We've been potting a lot guys. Catch up. Thanksgiving episode. I was talking about how I was about to go to my high school reunion. You were going to see your arch nemesis. I was about to say, I went off on my arch nemesis. Was she there? Okay. Yeah.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So in that episode, I told a story about my high school boyfriend cheating on me at prom with my arch nemesis. Classic. And that podcast episode aired three days before the high school reunion. So I had a little bit of anxiety going into my high school reunion. Like, is he going to be there? Is she going to be there? Did they hear me just like pop off on them?
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Do they think that like I'm still like... Obsessed.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Yeah. Yeah. And just like what's the interaction going to be? So... I did some intel. I knew, as I said in that episode, that my arch nemesis loves Snapchat. So I got back in the old Snapchat.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Uh, yeah, she did. Cause I logged right back into my Snapchat and I checked her Snapchat story, which was active. And I confirmed she was not in the state of Pennsylvania. She was not going to be at the reunion. Boom. She's out. Only contender left my high school ex. Is he going to be at the high school reunion?
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So I am getting dressed and ready to go have my mom drop me off. meet my girlfriend so humbling yeah to have my mom go drop me off to meet my girlfriend so we could like pre-game for the high school reunion and my mom's a ride or die my mom's a homie she puts me on her back
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So my mom, I'm getting ready to walk out the door. My mom goes, Lair, Lair, Lair, we got movement. I'm like, what's going on, Karen?
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
And I go over and she's like, Lair, bleep. That's my high school ex-boyfriend. Just watched my Instagram story. Do you know what this means, Lair? Nope.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
You guys aren't like friends. No, I haven't. I have not made contact with him in probably like nine years. Nine years. Is viewing your mother. mother's Instagram story and to top it off I was like mom because she keeps tabs she knows who's viewing every story oh yeah because she's got like 10 views I'm like mom is he a regular or is this a new view and she's like new view lair new view
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
OK, so then now I get to the pregame and me and the girls are like hyping it up. I'm like, oh, my God, he's going to.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
be there i'm gonna see him for the first time in nine years like do you think he's mad at me do you think he watched the podcast is he about to confront me like if he confronts me like what do i say like actually do you think there's gonna be like just like this like fuck you and then grab me and make out with me like we're just we're running all the scenarios so fun so fun so we get to the high school reunion and we get there 30 minutes late because we're cool okay
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Of course. And then can't be early. No. And so now we're like an hour and a half into the high school reunion. And me and my friends are kind of like keeping tabs on the door. Like, is he here? Is he going to walk in? Is he going to walk in?
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Oh, and I was going on a lot of dates that were eight hours and I was kissing everyone. Oh, my God. Yes. But I've cleaned up my act. Well, OK, so here's the update. I haven't gone on any like actual dates yet. since we last podcasted together. So I haven't. What's the holiday? Should we take our glasses off? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Okay. So an hour and a half, I'm like, I grabbed my friend and I'm like, let's just go ask the woman working the door. Like, is his name on the guest list? Like, let's just go ask, is his name on the guest list? So we walk up. Cause you had to RSVP. You had to RSVP and like pay so that like you have like a wristband for the open bar. Yeah, it's an open bar.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So imagine where I'm at here when I go this way. You're probably like 19 drinks deep on an edible.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So we go up to the woman working the door who has the list and like who RSVP'd and paid. And I'm like, is his name on the list? And she's like, no. we and this girl make eye contact and I know she's daddy gang and I know we're vibing on like a different frequency. So I'm like, again, open bar.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Yeah. She's, She's an ally. Oh, no, she's an ally. Listen up. Buckle up. So I look at her and I say, I need your help. I'm about to maybe have a faded run in with my high school boyfriend. And like, I need to like crank it up a little bit. Did you say a faded run in? Fated. Like fate. Like a fated run in.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
think he's that dead broke that he'll come the only reason he's not coming is because the $15 it was 50 and like maybe he was just in the area out in Philly like didn't know if he wanted to stop by but like if the bartender or if the door woman is calling him to say someone wants you here so bad that they paid for your wristband just stop by for a free open bar like fuck it let's go right yeah fair I would do I'd be like um
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
He doesn't answer. She leaves a voicemail. And what does she say? Exactly what I told her to.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Well, he didn't answer and it went to voicemail. And I never heard from him or never saw him.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I wasn't trying to see him to hook up with him or anything like that.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Lauren, a little like... That fucking sucks though that like I actually... Well, so since I've downloaded Instagram, I've requested him and he won't accept my friend request. So I think he saw the first episode.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
It's right in here. OK, so I'm not like intentionally taking a break from dating. The holidays happened.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
There was one time where I went on five dates in an eight day time span.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Well, when I went to college, my Instagram name, I was dead serious. I went into college and shared this with everyone. Laren McHotstuff.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Multiple? Absolutely not. Like... Maybe, maybe I could let one slide, but like context matters.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I was cranking and rocking and rolling. Lauren, yeah.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Like mirror selfie? Like if you're like stunting and posing?
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Maybe if like you're wearing like a really funny costume for like a theme something and you're just like snapping it like, ha, funny costume.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Okay, so I'm not like purposefully taking a break or like purposefully avoiding dates right now. It's just like a lot of work to like, if I'm gonna like,
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Yeah, like... Maybe he's walking by a mirror and someone snaps it up him. But that's still frat bro energy. Yeah.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
You're really far away. Like I don't want to be able to see any lines. Like you need to be far away where like you're just trying to show me more that like you go to beaches and like you go on vacations but you're not trying to show me your body.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
You're more trying to show me the scenery and you being shirtless is a byproduct of the scenery but you're not trying to get up in there and like I shouldn't be able to see any crevices far away from the camera.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
The scenery... You know what could be cool is if he was like on a hike with people and his shirt... And he just summited a mountain and he's so excited that he just summited a mountain so he rips his shirt off and he's on top of the mountain. No, no, no.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Oh, I will talk about prompts though. Okay. Talk to me about prompts. Because you haven't been on the apps in a little bit.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So like prompts are... A huge. Prompts are huge on Hinge. Or like all the apps. I don't know. But Hinge specifically. And I am proud of my prompts. Oh.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Okay. So one of my prompts that gets the most traction is it's let's debate this topic. The top sheet is useless.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
This is what I was going to say. Okay. So now when everyone slides in, they're all going for the top sheet combo. So now I have like 20 conversations going ham about whether or not you use a top sheet. Like I can like, oh, I feel so much furrier since I got rid of the top sheet. Oh, I'm bold. I got rid of the top sheet. Like,
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I can give you five top sheet jokes right off the top of my head.
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Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Yes, because the danger is I can't go on a date with someone when all we've talked about is whether you have a top sheet or not on your bed.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
mode right now. What is going on with you? I don't know. So like, I would probably just like, go for it. No, no, I wouldn't. You were about to say some, go ahead, say what you were going to say. No, because like, no.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I think you'd have to be like, am I doing this to like get closer to him? I have like a little bit like one leg into like a circle of his life. Am I doing this because I hope he's going to hear about it. Oh, yeah.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Oh, yeah, baby. What? 6'11". How tall is that, actually?
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
face would be at his nipple how tall do you like what do you think is a sex celeb like what lauren matt matt is 6'3 oh no no i i actually think 6'11 are there 6'11 people lauren have you ever watched the nba they're 6'11 yes they're seven feet can you wait let me google how let me google average nba player height lauren seven feet really not average maybe but i think google it okay
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
The average height of an NBA player is six foot, Six and a half inches. Is that true? That's what AI, that's what AI Google is saying. And how tall is Matt?
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Whenever there's a voice prompt on a dating app, I don't listen because I know I'll immediately get the ick. I think that it's the worst fucking thing that they did to that app.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
That's like that's not a deal breaker, but that's a big inconvenience. Yeah.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Get the fuck out of here. If you even bring up what fraternity you were in on our first date. Also, like, get the fuck out of here.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I don't want to chat. But actually, so I haven't gone on a date yet. And I don't even know, like over a month now, a month and a half. But I still go on the apps and like scroll and swipe and like peruse. And last week there was this one guy. What do you have your settings to tell me age? 30 to 45. I had a big 40 year old face. I think I'm done with that.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Oh yeah, that's next time we podcast. You know, I'm inviting myself back. Yeah, come back. You're always here. Next time we podcast, we can debate the fact that I do not agree with my therapist. Yes, let's finish with this. My therapist told me that, because I don't want a relationship right now. And she was like, well, why are you going on dates if you don't want a relationship?
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I was finding it a little, no, I was hiding. I was finding a little hard to connect with the 45 year olds. Oh yeah.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I was Laryn McCott stuff. And like, I would meet people like freshly in my sorority. Like, let's share socials. I'm like, yep, hit me up at Laryn McCott stuff. That's like actually...
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
i'm dead um anyways okay so back to your dates oh okay so i like haven't gone on a date in a while but like i keep a pulse on my apps and i was having some light chatter with this one guy and he seemed promising he gave me his number on like a thursday night and i was like oh okay like i'll text him on sunday like we don't need to make small talk through the weekend so on sunday like i wake up i sit down i have my cup of coffee and i'm like trying to clean up my app i'm trying to like unmatch with people who died out and like
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
go through and be like, why did I even match with him? I was feeling down in the dumps and desperate, like goodbye. And I was just cleaning up my page. And I accidentally unmatched with the guy who gave me his number, who I was about to text to go on a date with. On the apps, you like... He's gone.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
so chicago daddy gang if you know a guy i think he was like 31 32 he had brown hair he went to columbia university it's hot um we were talking he was like oh like fellow columbia grad so chicago daddy gang if you know anyone on hinge who is brown hair decent height and went to columbia i was gonna text you and i was gonna go on a date with you so find some way to contact me i have a
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I fucked a dad before. What? Wait, what? You don't know this story? Who? It was like three years ago and I swooped him up at a bar and... Did he like woo you with like the picture of his kids? No, his sweater. I was obsessed with his sweater. I was like, oh, he looks like a librarian. And he's like, yeah. And...
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
mid sex he was like I gotta be honest my divorce is like in process right now and I was like you did tell me yeah I was like do you have kids and he was like yeah no like mid stroke and he's like oh I'm thinking about my divorce papers that's not fucking hot but he was a lingerer the next day but was was the
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
sexual situation I think dads cause they like seen some shit you know like they've seen a baby come out of a vagina they've like cleaned up shit diapers like bodily functions don't scare dads they're kind of freaks so I think dads are like down to get down and dirty the dads I think that aren't down for the weird shit yeah
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So like. I don't know. Like recently divorced dads. Hit me up.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So last we podcasted together, we were in Utah, and it was right before Christmas. And I was going to Seattle to meet my family for Christmas. We do the National Park bit every year. We were doing Olympic National Park. And since I was coming from Utah with you, I was already on the West Coast, and it made sense for me to just go right to Seattle.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
So I was beating my family to Seattle by an entire day. So I had 24 hours to spend solo in Seattle. So I get to Seattle and I'm like, pop off.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
You know what that means for us? It means going through Hannah Montana 1 and seeing how many songs we know on the album.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I get to Seattle. And I go to a rooftop bar by myself. Love. I have a little glass of Savvy Bee. I have some oysters. Then I go to the spa. I get a massage. Oh my God. And then I go out to a sushi restaurant.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Oh, no. OK, we're getting there. OK, so I'm at the sushi restaurant and I have a little bit of a buzz going in because I had like two cocktails before my massage and they gave me free champagne at the massage.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Oh, highly recommend. Wait, I've never done that. Really? Highly recommend.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I don't know. I've literally never done that. Do it and get back to me. Okay, good to know. Okay. So I'm sitting at the bar of the sushi restaurant and I love the bartender. It's a woman. A woman. So you know, it's a woman. We're just like vibing and like I'm alone and like I haven't I've been in Seattle all day by myself and it's like 630 now. So I haven't really had much human interaction.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
I'm just ready to chat. So I'm chatting with the bartender and she's like really proud of her craft and she's making me all these different cocktails like these fancy ones. So now I'm like three cocktails in. And I'm, like, feeling great. And it's, like, 7.30 on a Friday. And I'm closing my tab. And I'm, like, okay. Like, I had myself a nice day.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
Like, I'll go back to my hotel room and just, like, watch a show. Then this guy comes and sits down next to me at the bar. And he starts immediately striking up conversation. He's, like, this is my first time coming here. Like, what did you order? Did you like it? Immediately, I'm, like, I'm not attracted to you. But I'm not... I can tell you're very cozy and non-threatening and safe.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
And I'm like... And there's something about when you're in a different city and you're not, like there's something. It was starting my Christmas vacation too. So I'm like, oh, like. Let's go. Yeah. Vacation's starting. I mean, I was going to drink responsibly because I'm alone in a new city, but like, I'm like down to like. Have a good time. Meet someone new. Love.
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
And so we start talking and the talk, the conversation is so enjoyable that at this point I had closed my tab and I reopened my tab to get another drink and like keep talking to him. Okay. And we're sitting at the bar talking for like 25 minutes. What the fuck are you talking about?
Call Her Daddy
Dating App Dealbreakers (ft. Lauren)
we were just like talking about like I was saying I was going to Olympic National Park and this is what I have planned for my trip and like okay nice what I have planned for the holidays and what he's up to and like we were just like chatting it up love and so now at this point it's probably like 7 30 okay and he was like well like you're alone tonight right I'm like yeah and he's like me too and he um he was like I actually was gonna go to another bar after this it's one of my favorite bars and there's a live show like do you want to come and I'm like
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
date that was like being put on like oh i have to like figure this out like it put like this like rush and urgency to like figure my shit out like before i was like i'll keep working on it keep figuring out i was like oh shit like i have to like figure this out now and so once you guys ended the relationship what do you feel like you
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
in now being single like what do you feel like you've now realized like you really want and need in a partner moving forward I want to feel like they got me and that like I can have like a bad day or go through something difficult and like they'll pick me up and kind of help me get through it and carry me through it.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
But when I was talking to my therapist about it, she was like, oh, do you feel like that's something lacking in your life right now? Do you feel unsupported and unable to get yourself through hard moments? And I was like, literally the opposite. I feel... I have very deep, fulfilling friendships I can lean on if I need to.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I end my days and I feel strong and confident and secure in what I need to work through and get through and that I can handle it and I'm not overwhelmed and I'm not lonely, which I think I'm really happy that something that I want isn't a need I'm trying to fill. It's not a deficit in my life that I'm trying to find a person to fulfill. It's just like... I just want partnership.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I was joking. I was like, I've never been happier and I've never been hotter.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
i was like this person like genuinely loved me and like i was genuinely in love so it's hard to walk away from that was like i've i had a relationship before but it was like coming it was like a college relationship that became post-college and like that was the first time i was like i was deeply in love like i was in love with this person yes and i remember it was so sad because i remember you saying to me lauren you were like i just like
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Like I, I've never been, I had never been in love before and I had never felt that. And I was like, Oh, like this is it. Like, this is the feeling that like you fight for. And like, you go to like the end of like the earth for, and like, I know that's not the case.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Matt has a lot of good experiences and advice. He does.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Yes. I like, I was talking about that in therapy too, of like, I think I thought that love was so hard to come by and it was so rare, but what is more rare is having that love and then the compatibility aspect of just what you want and need out of life is also gonna match up. That's the hard part.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Yes. And we were DJing. And then we like passed out in the living room and like didn't turn the music off, didn't turn the pool strobe lights off. Matt's neighbor called him and gave him a noise complaint.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
My like – all of my like – I have like – like say like my like five closest girlfriends. Like now they are all married and engaged.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
The easy answer and then I'll give the deeper answer. I do. I have a few newer friendships that I've been investing more time into because they are single. Yeah. And I do think it's important to like... it's just helpful to like have people who were like, oh, like everyone's going on a date night tonight. Like let's do this. They're like, everyone's kind of tired.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
But like, I like, I don't want to sit at home alone, like all weekend. Like let's at least like go out and like get a drink and like be social for like a minute. So like, I think it is like really helpful to like have single, have single friends when you're single.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
And then something else we were talking about recently kind of related to, like, how am I not feeling pressure and comparison and, like, left behind when all of my friends are very much in, like, a different life stage than me. Like, being single, like, is the minority, like, of my close friends right now.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Because, like, I truly, truly feel, like, very zen at this current moment and not pressured and not rushed. But when I first got out of my relationship, like, the first – This is kind of like a new – this zen-ness is kind of like really within like the past like month and a half-ish.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
calling you like you guys aren't like really like official official yet he's like calling you and he's like like I just have to say like this is so disrespectful like I let you guys like use my house and my pool like throw a party and we were like um
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Yeah, it's like a very new – like this level of like – Calmness.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Is like kind of new. When I first got out of the relationship – I knew for a fact, I absolutely need to be single. I need to reflect on stuff. I need to not rush into anything. I need to have me time. I knew that, but I didn't feel that. I was like... I would be like, I need to be single. But in the back of my mind, I'd be like, oh, fuck. The clock's kind of ticking. Am I dragging my feet?
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I was doing the numbers game where I was like, oh, so I'm 30 now. If I take a year to be single, I'll start dating someone maybe at 31. I don't want to rush into an engagement. So like maybe I'll get engaged at 33, married at 34. Am I going to immediately have a kid then a year into marriage at 35? And then like I was like, oh my God, like I'm having a kid at 35.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
And like so I started playing that game and like that was like kind of like suffocating and like consuming. I was so close. to like locking in like this timeline that like I was seeing, like we were just saying, I was like about to get engaged. And then I was like, okay, I'm going to get engaged at 30. I'm going to like, and I had that kind of like, like it was all laid out.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
It was kind of like clicking into like step. And it was like, although there were things that weren't right and that I wasn't sure about and that were causing me stress, kind of seeing my life kind of start to like unfold and like where it was going in front of me was comforting and like the sense of security and safety. So like it took a moment to like,
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I was at the point where I was like, oh, I can look five years ahead and I can see where my life is going.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I'm so close. I was like, Oh, I'm on like the last lap. Like I'm so close to the finish line. Like you don't throw in the towel, like right before you're about to cross the finish line.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
But like which I think was like another hard layer, like nothing was like crazy.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
And every problem that I was going to look up and be like, how is this my life? Like, I didn't want any of this.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
That, that there was love there, that it was all kind of falling into place and like making sense. And like, I remember saying like in one of my like therapies I was having before, like ending the relationship, I was like, I feel like I'm about to blow up my life. And she was like, you are, but like, that's one portion of your life. Like, You still have all of your friendships.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
You still have your career. You're still going to be you.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Oh, thank God you met him. And like there's things that my therapist used to say, every person you date gets you one step closer to the person you're supposed to marry. And like there's things that I would have no idea that I did not like and that I definitely need and that like trigger me. I feel like I just like know myself a lot more now.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I think that has been like the timeline and the time clock and the biological clock and children has been and like really sitting and thinking like about that aspect has been one of the things the most freeing aspects for me of like I truly feel like so I've never felt more zen or peaceful in my entire life and calm and like not rushed and like
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
We thrive in the daytime. And we love, like, a 10 p.m. bedtime.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
awake and confident and like sure and I think it's because I've been having really honest conversations with myself about what was really fueling that like urgency and that rush and that countdown and it's children and motherhood and I if you would have asked me six months ago a year ago my whole life I would have been like no doubt I'm having children like no question I'm having children and
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
And I don't feel that way anymore. And it's a little surprising, but not sad, if anything, almost freeing. Because I think I was really just operating from that place of a, it's just a what you do. Like, oh yeah, like I'm gonna have children.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
But like, when I like really think about it, I'm like loving this time period of like feeling like I am the main focus in my life, like truly just me. And like, what do I want and what makes me happy? And like, everything is revolving like around me.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
me and like i get to be selfish and like my entire life like i from like seventh grade was like put in positions that were like pretty crazy of like taking care of my family emotionally financially until like not too too long ago and like i'm like
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
my time yes and it's like my turn yes and like if a child fits into that at some point like that's great and beautiful and like i know i'd be a great mother i might have a kid at 40 yes i might not have a kid and that's and it's like it was like pretty like wild to say that out loud because like
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
That's what you and me and Matt were talking about. When you're in something...
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
that you're unsure you or maybe it was me and you and matt you chase the next milestone because that like puts like a it gives you something to look forward to and focus on to distract from the problems in the relationships like yeah but we're gonna get engaged and then everything's gonna get better and they're gonna get married and let's focus on the wedding yeah so and then all the wedding everything's good let's start planning for the kid
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I'm not the type of person just to like stay up for the hell of it. Like if there's something worthwhile staying up for, like Miami, we had late nights.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Kind of like silencing like the noise. Yeah. In this moment, like what do I want?
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I don't need to ruin my tomorrow. No. We're going to hit the hay.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
So I hadn't before we ended up at 11, I had maybe shared five words with this guy, like quite literally five words. And when we're standing at the table, it's like really crowded. So like we're just like touching because it's so crowded. And at this point, we've maybe hit a higher word count of like We've shared a few sentences. Okay. Like not much has been happening. Yeah.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
And maybe sentence number five is he looks at me and holds out all of his money and goes, do you want to go to the back room right now and get a private lap dance, the two of us? And, like, it's, like, 2.30 in the morning. And, like, I'm, like, kind of drunk.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
And then it was kind of a mission to get into 11. Yeah. So, like, I kind of, like, sobered up a little bit in the process of, like, getting into 11. Yeah.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
No, I've been to... This is like my third time at like 11. So like, I know what goes down in the private rooms in the back. Yes. It would not just be us getting a lap dance. It would be us having a threesome with a stripper. And I was like, you know... At this current intoxication level, I don't really have it in me to go from just, like, not having a vibe to having a threesome with a stripper.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I'm, like, sober and, like, there's not, like... A sexual tension yet. Yeah. Like, we've had, like... We're cracking the small talk. We're trying to gauge.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Wow. Wow. Something I was saying that I was really proud of myself. I was telling you this this morning. I went no contact after my breakup, which is like – Anyone I meet who's going through a breakup and they're like, what's your best piece of advice? Truly like go no contact. Like you have to. I have no better advice than go no contact. And like you have to stick by it.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I have not talked to my ex once in any capacity since October since we broke up.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
There was, like, a lot of logistics to sort out.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
We, like, set, like, a final, like, very nice, like, goodbye.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
But does that make it sound like they're brother and sister? No, they're both. He's your brother-in-law. She's your sister-in-law. Okay.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
How like serious it was about my relationship.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Yeah, it was really serious. We dated for almost three years. For the last six months of our relationship, we were living together. And it got to the point where he had a full plan to propose. He talked to my mom and her fiance and had a dinner with them and told them he was going to propose.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
very concrete oh like there was a date you knew a date where he was gonna like you knew the date he was gonna propose and you guys had talked about the ring right we were gonna like do something with like a family like diamond and um you knew like where it was gonna be like it was it was planned yes that was happening and i think as your friend i remember when i heard that i was so torn torn yeah that's a
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
So like you ended up – Yeah, I had to. We had one of those dinners where you're like – you were just like – I can tell that like you're holding a lot in right now. Like, can you like, just let it all out.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
Zero judgment. You can tell me everything. And if you want to stay, you can still say, but like, I can feel you're not telling me everything and you're just holding a lot in like, let it out. So we have one of those three hour dinners where I was just like, word vomiting, everything, everything. And then after I told you that you were like,
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
I'm really feeling conflicted right now because like if it does work out like I obviously don't want to like ruin your engagement but like I don't know if you know how close it is to actually happening and I want you to be able to have the tools to feel in control of your life and not have it to sneak up on you.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
And you have and you feel like you're kind of backed into a corner and saying yes, because you're like, oh, shit, like how like what we're here. Oh, OK, let's go through it. So you ended up telling me he is going to propose on this day to kind of be like you kind of do have a window of like, yeah, you got to figure some things out.
Call Her Daddy
I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)
We're going to order these green margaritas that when it's the two of us, we like to order them for delivery and get a little weird together.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
She goes, girls, Lauren, I'm so sorry, but... he's gay no in this moment we were like no no no no there's no way no because no way like like you have a great gaydar or something i was like this was full flirting i think but maybe i was flirting no i was laying my moves we were making contact we were making bets
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
Lauren, he's drinking a pink martini. He was also gay.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
You've been a wing woman for me like many, many times before.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
Yes. The last time that I was like single a while ago was for one month. Oh, yeah. That was bad. Back in 2018.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
Back in 2018, I was single for one month and I said, Big Al, I want to get out there and I want to. Where did we find this man?
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
I met him. You set me up with him and I was going to go home with him. And you were like, Well, like, I don't want to be alone.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
And he was out of town. And you say, just bring him back to Slim's house.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
I'm like so hungover and I'm so not into this. And I go get in the bed with you and I'm like, Alex, like this guy needs to leave. Like I don't want to like talk to him.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
So disgusting. We were like, what do we do? What do we do? What do we do? And I write him a note and I say, hey, so sorry. I had a great time, but I really need to die alone in peace. You got to go. And I went crept in, dropped the note. You stuck it under the door, gave it a little knock and then ran out.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
There is memorabilia, signed autographs, team jerseys, like all over. So this like New York City, like 20 year old boy, frat boy is going to like wake up and be like.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
i'm in a penthouse of like an mlb player and the funniest thing is you um when you first started to call her daddy you like hinted at this story that like you brought someone back like for a friend to slim shadies um when he was out of town And this guy found you like this guy heard the story and DM do a picture of the note. He kept the note.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
And we just were like, I can't talk to anyone like he just like needs to leave.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
Everything was in check, but Slim Shandy was not happy.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
Like pretty much every friend is in a relationship engaged or married.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
Yeah. I will say the one positive is being the only single one. Everyone's kind of excited to wing woman. Everyone's like, ooh, let me live vicariously through you a little bit.
Call Her Daddy
How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
So that's a fun aspect. And another thing I will say that... to daddy gang who's maybe like on the verge of like, hmm, I know I need to end a relationship or wanting to end something and being scared about starting over at 30. Something I've realized is dating at 30, because the last time I was single, I was 26.
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How to be the Ultimate Wingwoman
Dating at 30 is so so much different than dating at 26 Like I feel like at least for my experience so far everyone is just like so like straightforward and like the games are like really really done and like it's not like am I gonna like obviously like I'm not just like gonna like Text people like so like there's some coyness to it, of course But it's like not games and it's straightforward and everyone's just like yeah Like I'm looking for someone then like I'm not fucking around which is like so nice.
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Now if someone's playing the game, I'm like, okay, well, it's not cool anymore.
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So next, at 26, if someone's playing the game, I'd be like, okay, maybe I'm a little bit into this.
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go out on like a sunday or like a tuesday like let's be straightforward and like not waste each other's time completely actually though i've run into two issues with my dating game that i would love your opinion on oh my god hit me okay issue number one i cannot end a date under three hours i have had no date go under three hours the longest so far being a first date lasting eight hours
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I can't end it because in my mind, I'm like, what if they're a little nervous right now? Or like, what if like the spark's about to hit? And like while I'm here, like I might as well just like give it like let it run its course a little bit and like see if something pivots.
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I go on a very long first date with this guy. Eight hours. And we're drinking at a bar. And I just moved. And I'm telling him, like, he's like, what did you do earlier that day? And I'm like, oh, I went plant shopping. And, like, I got myself a new plant. Naturally. And he's like, oh, well, like, I'm moving tomorrow. And, like, I don't know what to do with my plants.
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Like, do you want to come and, like, get all of my plants? and like you can have all of my plants and i'm like fantastic like you're drunk you're like free plants are you fucking kidding me yes so then what happens though so i go over and i end up leaving and i don't leave with the plants but then the next day he gave you a foot massage yes no can i just tell that part
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We have the one like iconic I'm thinking of. When is the last one that we spent together?
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I guess you're fucked up so it's like yeah I was drunk at that point I was just like oh Okay. I think I was just in my head like, please don't pop a toe in your mouth. Please don't pop a toe in your mouth.
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Guys, I've been out there. I've been having experiences.
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besides this one i i hope i don't know what you're gonna say but i know what the one at matt's house yes when we moved to los angeles yes it was covid so classic i was just third wheeling matt and alex and i was single this was like the last time i was single so this is about like three years ago and matt comes in so proud and he's like lauren i'm gonna set you up with someone and it's gonna be a fantastic night
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Guys, I have really nice plants now. Like I have so many plants. Like I don't know what to do with them.
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And they're like, they came with pots. Oh my God. And like, I've never owned this many plants now. And like now, like I feel like I'm like, A plant mom.
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Do you think you like when should I like start cutting it?
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I think that's also the thing. Like, I've been really fortunate. Like, all the dates I've gone on, like, while there might not have been, like, enough chemistry to go on a second date, like, they were all, like, lovely people. Yeah, and you're, like, getting to know them. And, like... And myself.
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I never do Friday or Saturday. I'm a big Sunday date person.
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Yeah but I've been doing that that I'm like having drinks for three hours and now I'm like I'm really hungry so I might as well eat.
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I keep thinking that everyone's trying to kiss me goodbye and they're not. And so like they're going for a goodbye hug and I kiss them and it's really fucking awkward.
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so you're the problem lauren's like they're not trying to kiss me but i feel like it so i go in for it first i think what you have that is actually so fucking fair one was so bad i literally ran away and got in the uber wait what happened like he we were like going for the hug and like i thought like he was like gonna try to kiss me so i'd go and i kiss him and it was just like and i
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So he doesn't really tell me anything. This guy walks in. He is a 45-year-old divorcee who breeds wolves.
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Okay, wait. So this was really distressing me. And I was talking to my one guy friend in Chicago. I'm like, has this ever happened to you? Like, this is an epidemic over here for me. And he's like, Lauren, here's my rule that I live hard and fast by.
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on the first date if the if a kiss does not happen during the actual date he's like i never kiss goodbye oh because a goodbye kiss there's so much pressure and it's so forced so he was like now sit and he's like so like if you're like sitting we're doing a tutorial if you're like sitting and like talking he's like if you're like knees are touching like you're going for the kiss during the date like then normal natural chemistry but he's like if it doesn't happen on the actual date
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Yeah, I'm down for that. But... Oh, oh. And he brought a half wolf, half dog.
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OK, this is my mistake. There's no sexual chemistry or no sexual tension. And then I try to plan a kiss on him.
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Okay, so that's a really good tangible example of tension and chemistry.
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You do. It's like we're not exaggerating. This thing was like massive times the size of Henry.
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Yeah, cute, cute. I love games. Okay. Okay, so I have a game and it's New Year's theme since today is New Year's Day and it's stuff
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things that people normally do during the new year oh and we i'm gonna name them okay and then if you could see yourself doing it in the new year have a drink um go back to your natural hair color absolutely not oh i'll drink i'm kind of doing that right now by choice or by
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I'm a little darker than I would like to be right now. Lauren has been crying.
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When's the last time you had your natural hair color?
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When was the last time you had your natural hair color? High school.
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I would fucking love nothing more than a dog, but I live in an apartment building. I travel too much. No dog. No dog for me.
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I just live off Bruce. Yes. You love Bruce. Take a drink if you would go on a solo trip in the new year.
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It's on my like little short bucket list that I have before I get in a relationship. I think that would be a good experience for me. Like I kind of want to follow in Kristen's footsteps and do like a surfing retreat. But the issue is the last time I went surfing, I broke my foot.
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Have a drink if you would get a tattoo in the new year. Absolutely not. I think if you see me getting a tattoo, it's like a little bit of like a pink flag that I'm having a minty bee.
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i gotta somehow find a way to contact your therapist no i think we're not tattoo girls no we've just i don't have a single tattoo you don't have a single tattoo i don't you would pass out because you can't do needles i literally before when i heard that i would just literally pass out okay but like gun to your head you had to get a tattoo like right now like what would you get
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I've, like, lightly thought about it. And I'm like, like, maybe, like, something to honor my dad. But, like, I don't want to be the girl with the dead dad tattoo. No, I think you can just, like...
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I'm going to do when I visit you in L.A. because I want to do like I don't want someone to like fuck me up. Like I think you can.
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Have a drink in the new year if you would try ayahuasca. Absolutely not. Like, I'm curious. Like, I think it sounds really intense.
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But it sounds like, what do you think? Say you wouldn't shit your pants. What spiritual journey do you think you would go on, go on in your ayahuasca journey? Oh my fucking God.
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But I in my adult life, I feel like there's no one that they're going to call you up during the wedding and be like, Alex Cooper is the reason we're married.
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Wait, do you talk to dead people in ayahuasca? No, I think in ayahuasca, you confront whatever demons you haven't confronted. And maybe that's having a conversation with a dead person who you feel you didn't have closure with.
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Like a demon, your inner demons. Do you have any inner demons that you want to talk to us about today?
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And OK, OK, I will give you credit like you have been coming through for me and you have been wing woman me wing womaning.
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I had many cocktail versions at the launch party in New York, but those were just like a bartender making them.
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Ended 2024 making a really, really hard decision to end my relationship that I'm really proud of. So I want to go into 2025 not settling and being really, really fucking intentional and not getting antsy, not getting impatient, not feeling like shit about myself and just taking my time and just not settling.
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You've been so intentional. I was even talking about you to, like, my Chicago friends, and I was just like, I really admire, like, you've been so intentional with your relationships this past year. Well, I love you.
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This man from Miami who was another man that you like came over and you were like, oh, like this is my friend Lauren. And like you were smoothing me for me.
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It's like 1.30 a.m. So like all the girls we're with leave. So I'm just at the bar and it's me and a table full of guys. And I'm like, this is a dream. Like Alex came through. She put her reputation on the line. She didn't ruin it.
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None of them. Because at like 2 a.m., I'm like working it, laying my moves still. And my friends call me and they're like, Lauren, we have your location. We see you're at a bar around the corner. Come meet us. And I don't see my friends who live in New York City that often. So I get so excited. And I'm like, oh my God, okay. And I just tell the guys, all right, bye guys.
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You kind of like can't go skiing with someone. I mean, you can, but like... Then you'll hate them. Yeah, it sucks.
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And my seat number. So he like could like know it was who to look for.
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I like we were hung over as fuck because we were out until like 3 a.m. the night before. I'm in like a sweatsuit. I have not an ounce of makeup on.
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I literally was like, do we ask for ice? And like I like ice roll my face with like ice from like the plane.
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At first, I thought this was a disaster because I'm like, my husband's getting away. But then... And then I realized, hold on, Lauren.
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He had some nice like joggers on, some like athletic sneakers.
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So it feels like we go to sleep, we're like, ooh, like we're a little sore.
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And we're like building it up in our heads more and more. Like I'm like, I'm going to. Completely. Fall in love.
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We thought maybe he'd be coming on like our New Year's trip with us.
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I'm Lauren. I'm from New Jersey. That's like probably the most uninteresting thing about me. Me and Hallie have been best friends for like six years now.
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Yeah. Yeah. So my... My college roommate was Hallie's best friend from high school. And then we met and we fell in love. We did. We did. We had a week of just going out straight together. Every single night we would go to bed. Sounds like you're a legit lesbian. A week, it was like a year. Last week, we accidentally ended up at a gay bar. And it was like all lesbian couples around us.
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There was flags everywhere. We had no idea.
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There was like a lot of lesbian couples. And we were just like sitting there. I think we were one of them.
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munching muffin anyways we have known each other for how many years like six years now you've never seen me in a relationship i haven't but i've seen you in multiple situations i think that's always crazy that you've never seen me committed yeah and you've only seen me committed i i was committed to them they weren't they weren't committed to you no no you thought they were i thought they
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And I was always trying to tell. I was like, they're not hot, even though some of them were. I was like, they're not hot, Halle. Like, you could do so much better. And now looking back, we're like, fuck. The cross was hot. The cross was hot. The cross was really hot. But I was trying. I was very convincing. I was like, he's not hot. Trust me.
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It's the hottest day I've ever gone with ever in my whole entire life. Yeah. So you have a boyfriend. We love him. We love him. Actually, you didn't like him at first, though. I didn't like that. I had he hit on Hallie in front of me. No, I didn't. Yes, he did. He added you on Snapchat in front of me when he didn't like me.
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No, no, no. Here's what happened. Here's what happened.
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my boyfriend now at the time like didn't want anything to do with me and yeah yeah and like in order to like show me how he didn't want to have anything to do with me he was like i'm just gonna like flirt in front of her i'm gonna like add her best friend on snapchat and like would like put his phone down so i could see everything this was when he was like mean and then the second didn't have a fuck boy phase right is he toxic
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no he's like perfect but like for those like he's an angel but like he wasn't an angel until the second that he asked me to be his girlfriend up until then i was a doormat
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And I was thick. You were so thick.
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I wore, like, Jordans with, like, Nike mid-calves to the beach.
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Yeah. Dior Jordans. No, that was fake Dior Jordans.
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Yeah, they were, like, custom made. Like, they just, like, took Dior.
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He has like short arms, but he's making up for it. Sounds like a T-Rex.
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I also think he like lifts so much that his arms like progressively like get higher.
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Jordan. Jordan loves you. Jordan. Jordan loves you.
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Well, I don't really drink that much.
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Because I'm always driving if we're in Nantucket. Or I'm always, you know, directing. I used to hate it.
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I'm there for the music. I am there for the networking. You used to go out to network. Yeah. Hallie would drink for us and I would network for us. And honestly, it worked. It worked out pretty well for us. Here we are. Here we are. But yeah, I know Hallie and Graydon are probably ripping shots together. I am looking on in amazement.
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night i will be so cross-eyed i will be crossing both streets at once because i'm gonna be like people used to like or i don't know if people do still think this but like some people think it's a bit like you're cross-eyed no no like you fully i had meningitis no i had meningitis as a toddler i had it too we both almost died
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To close the tap. And you know what's great? And I think I've said this before, but when someone looks at us and they're like, you're leaving, you're leaving so early. I'm like, look at her. do? Yeah. That is such a cop out.
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Look at her eyes. They're like, oh, of course. Take her home. Oh yeah, that's how you get out of like leaving. Yeah, yeah.
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Make sure you get her home safe. I'm screaming. And honestly, Holly, I think we should start using that moving forward. Like if we're just not having a good time. Yeah. You're so beautiful. You just go up to them and cross your eyes. I'm like, look at her. That's so real. We should do that. Yeah, I think that's our new cop-out. Because I hate being pressured to stay.
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But sometimes you're just out of it. I can't loop you in. You're looped out. I'm never that out of it.
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don't drink stay in school i really don't want to go out tonight i'm not gonna lie guys it's your party literally hosted by you you're on the invite you are hosting the party you have to go yeah honestly well what's fun is hallie's hosting a pre-game and i think what's so great about my glassware is your glassware are you gonna let other people use it no i'm not can i use it yeah you can use it you're not a drunk like the rest of people coming over
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also though like I love that all our friends have meshed yeah that's so important like us well us but also like your home friends my school friends I have really I feel like besides you guys I don't really have that many more friends real friends that I would consider like oh like I could trust them with
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Yeah. Wait, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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We're the same. You're July 22nd, and I'm July 23rd.
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So we have the same... Oh, my God. Significant. We have, like, the same cuss, but different, like, fire sign. No, no, no. Like, main sign. I don't know.
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I'm sensitive, and I'm thinking... She might start crying. You will, like, have my back. Yeah.
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well sometimes i get very angry sometimes holly gets like at the end of the night she'll be really drunk and she'll sometimes jump on the neck and like not in a mean way i'm just very sensitive like i take everything so seriously like it's really hard to argue with you yeah because you will cry i will cry yeah that's true and i'm like that's it like she never wants to see me again like that's it our friendship is over like all over because she was like
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I was just, I felt left out because normally in Nantucket, I always stay at your house. And this is the first time that I wasn't staying at your house where like everyone was there. So I was like feeling left out. And because I was feeling left out, I just started crying at Cisco. And actually I'm mortified and my boyfriend's brother likes to bring it up now. He's like, are you going to cry?
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Are you going to cry like you cried at Cisco? I'm glad he does. Because he should have been embarrassed.
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You're being a weird little freak. I was being a freak. Yeah. And I was like, and then I came home and I was like,
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Yes, I will leave him. That's fucking great. Just kidding. Yeah. I'm thinking about the Hamptons trip now. Oh, the Hamden trip, guys.
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No, it was just us three. We were at- She was there for another one. This one was just us three. And I was being the plus one. I got there. I opened up every single present. I got into the pajamas that were on my bed immediately.
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I stole some of Graydon's products. I was fucking there. But we went to Surf Lodge. A guy in your building. Wait, I ran into him today, yesterday. I run into him every single day. His name is Chow Down. What do you mean? His nickname is Chowdown. He lives in my building. I literally have the exact same schedule as him. I saw him this morning. I saw him yesterday. That's a story.
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We went out at Surf Lodge and I was drunk and I said, come back. And he's really cute. He's really cute. He's really tall. He's weird though. His giggle was like, you sound like a hyena. Wait, I wasn't here this weekend. I think he was just really nervous. You weren't there.
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Yeah, you weren't there. And we brought him back. He went down on me in front of... Yeah, in front of us. Me and Liv were like hiding in the bathroom. And we were like, okay, well, it's been like two minutes. Maybe we should come out now. We come out. You're giving me two minutes to work my masterpiece? Yeah, it didn't seem like you were feeling it.
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Yeah, and then we came out and we were like, show us what you were doing.
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like all right you have to go bye we like literally the way that we like hurried that man out of the room like he didn't even have time to put his shoes on he was like by the time he was outside he was weird though he was a weird little freak yeah but anyway i live in the same building as him and i see him every single day and i'm like hey and he's like hey how you doing and then you know we talk about something for like the 30 seconds of the elevator ride the minute the weather fucking outdoors and yeah every day
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You like that? That was good. Alright, where am I looking? I may not drink, but I eat every day. Period! Guys, I'm screaming. I do eat every day. I used to be a half. I was thick. I don't even know what mine would be.
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You need to stand up for yourself as hard as it is and as painful as it is. Otherwise, it's just going to keep happening and you're going to end up in a really, really scary situation. So you have to advocate for yourself, even though it sucks.
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Yeah. No, you are 100% correct. I'm glad you clarified that because what I said maybe sounded like that that's not Where I was coming from, but I was just trying to say that I think that even if we rationally know that, it still is really hard for us to do that.
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Even though we know it's not our fault and it's a consequence of somebody else's action, it's the fact that we have to be the one to give them their consequence is really, really hard.
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You just gave us a whole speech. So we're just. We're just adding to it. Yeah. I don't really like that the friends are giving OP a hard time. I know. That's really frustrating to me because even... I know that a lot of marijuana users like to be like, it's not addictive. It's not... You can't be addicted like how you can with alcohol or XYZ. But you can literally be addicted to video games.
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Anything. You can be addicted to marijuana. Stop trying to tell yourself that that's impossible just because they don't have like the same type of...
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Oh, Lauren knows something. So, no, I think great advice, Jerry. Great advice, Morgan. And I think we can all agree that we're very proud of you, too.
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Trying to claw you back in there with them. Don't go.
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I think it's just like a bigger picture of like if somebody is doing something that isn't necessarily – I mean like we all know drinking alcohol isn't necessarily good for you. A lot of us do it. We have a good time. But like we know that drinking alcohol, it's not like a super great thing for us.
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And so I think that people do feel kind of maybe guilty. If somebody else isn't, then maybe they think like, well, you need to too so that I don't feel bad about myself.
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What are your thoughts though, Lauren? That's how it should be. They're doing this to make you happy, so you would hope that they would be understanding if you found something that you liked even more. And if they are not happy and they put up this huge fuss, that's not cool on their part. Especially if you come at it as soft and as kind as Jerry did.
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See, this is so hard for me to answer because I couldn't relate to that. I mean, you and I just had where I got you this little makeup bag. Yes. And you said you wanted the other color. And I was like, oh, yeah, let me do it. I'll return it and send it to you. And you were like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I will take care of it. I just wanted to know which one it was so I can get the color.
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Just in black because I'm messy. But it's like imagine if I were to tell you that I was so hurt that you wanted the different color. How would you react to me? You'd be like, shut the fuck up. Like, oh, sorry. It's not all about you. Like, what? Are you OK? Like you would you'd be like you'd be like, Lauren, what's your problem?
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So that's why I don't really know how to handle that, because I just think that that would be really like so ego driven and just not very caring or thoughtful at that point. So, yeah.
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So I'm having two dresses like I wanted because I'm really furious about it because like I was there and I was thinking that you picked the one that I wanted.
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And the designer was there too, which probably put a lot of pressure on you because the designer was like flying in from a half, We were on the world.
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Like it was, don't tell Jerry that there was dads and grandpas there. He's going to be pissed.
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Number five. That was cute. He's like... He's like, it's about me, dad. Just kidding. It's actually not. Forget about dad. It is about you, Morgan. Yeah. It's my day. It was such a cute turnaround that you had like in that like he was crashing out and then all of a sudden got it back together. Yeah. He wheeled it in.
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H-O. How does she do the T? I don't know either. I forget. T? I think she does maybe this. Oh, that would be a better T. It is. That's the T. H-O-T-T-O-G-O.
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We'll get there. I hope you guys are having fun at home.
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Let's see where to start. So I think it's fair that you feel like you value the friendship more than your friend does. That happens. Like sometimes even my mom, I'm like, mom, I call you more. Why don't you call me? Like, do you think about me as much as I think about you? Like a hundred percent. So that feeling totally fair, reasonable, completely get it.
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And at the same time, I think around the baby announcement, maybe not the best time to bring it up, Because that is a very big moment that really shouldn't be made about friendship and should be focused on this new life coming into the world. So I think that I would have recommended, I know you brought it up already, but I would have recommended to kind of wait on that.
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And if there's another scenario that comes up, let's say the vacation with the other friend, then maybe say something like, hey, you know, I would love to go on vacations with you. Is there a reason why you don't think about inviting me? Because... I would love that. And that could open up a conversation where maybe she thinks, hey, I'm a type B friend. You're a type A friend.
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I ask other friend because she also is type B. And I think that we would just...
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work better with vacations but if you want to give it a try let's give it a try you know it could open up a conversation because maybe that's what's going on we don't know it and it sounds like you don't know but I think that it's definitely fair to express that you're feeling these ways just not around the baby right now yeah it's one of those things that's like quite literally not about you yeah and you have four little ones this is her first rodeo this is such an exciting time and like
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I feel them coming off you. You got a vibe? It's been fun to hear both of you guys on this one. I think this is actually a really important topic because me and Morgan have talked about this before, but we'll get things on TikTok that's like, oh, if your friend isn't doing this, if they're not calling you at this time, if they're not doing this, then they're not your friend.
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Yeah. And it's not always like that. Like I was talking to one of my other friends and she was talking about how sometimes there's like seasons of friendships because somebody may be having multiple babies. And while they're one of their friends is having a really hard time getting pregnant.
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And sometimes they're going to maybe like not connect in those moments because the excitement that that friend may be feeling about getting pregnant. They don't want to hurt this other person who is really struggling with infertility. And so sometimes there's just kind of friendships are kind of fluid and moving in different directions. And I think that's exactly what you're saying, Morgan.
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Like, it doesn't mean that... Because she has four kids that they can't be really good friends. But maybe that's just they're doing different things in the moment that she just assumed. And then if you have these conversations, maybe you can make changes. Or maybe she just stops putting all of her eggs in one basket and thinks maybe you're not the type of friend that I exactly want. and wanting.
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And I still love you. You still like help me out with my kids and we get along. But I'm going to spend more energy in these other areas of friendships that I have who are reciprocating like what I want from a friendship.
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I was just trying to be- You didn't even FaceTime me.
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I was just going to say, I think exactly that. Like, it's not that your feelings aren't valid. It's okay that this hurts your feelings. I think it's just really about deciding now about why. when to have conversations, when's the right moment to have a conversation about how you feel.
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And then if you don't feel that your friend is on the same page as you, maybe you guys are just in different places in life and she's not matching what you expect, then you start putting energy in other friendships.
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i just i think those are that's kind of like the only the best option in my because what else can you do like hate her you can but you said that you you like her and it seems like she's at least receptive to your feelings even on her special day she's still apologizing so i think there's a good chance for you guys to have a lovely friendship absolutely that's also a really good point even on her special day she's apologizing which is
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See, I'm just not really quite familiar with this. Like I didn't know this was even a thing. The only thing that I'm familiar with is like the company ordering something from the baby registry. And sending that on over. But I'm not familiar with like throwing a party. So I don't really I don't know about this.
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I mean, I've been working remote most... Like, that's true, too.
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my career I feel and then whenever I wasn't working remote everybody was really really young you know like right out of college kind of thing so I that's why I'm really unfamiliar with this but I think I mean I wouldn't say don't have any expectations but I do understand what you're saying Jerry like
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you're going to get yourself hurt if you just have expectations without kind of putting it out there. Like if you thought that having – that this was important to you, then you should have talked to maybe management and said, is this something that you guys organize? Like I would love to have a little celebration with you guys. I can bring a cake.
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Just wanted to – since I don't get to see you guys for a while, I wanted to have like a little moment to say goodbye to everybody. And now it's in their head and now they can be like – you know what? Yeah, let's do something. And then they can organize that.
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But I mean, my brother told me once when I sat home by myself on my birthday and in like high school or middle school or something, and I was so sad by myself. And he was like, Lauren, You have to organize things. You can't just expect people to go out of their way to just celebrate you and not even knowing what you want or if you have other plans with your family or whatnot.
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So he's like, you're going to be disappointed if you just sit at home just waiting for somebody to just show up and surprise you. So if you want to be celebrated, you got to plan it and have people come and celebrate you. Yeah. That's a good point.
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But yeah, I and I think what my interpretation of what of what I was hearing, Jerry, because you just told me what your interpretation.
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Yeah. And I guess what what I was thinking you were trying to say. Is more so. You can't expect people to change if they don't want to change. Like that's how I was hearing that when it comes to expectations, because I think it is so fair if you expect to work at a company that celebrates you when you are so excited and when you want to be celebrated.
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But you can't always expect the company to all change. So what you can do is you can find another company that will celebrate you. I think that's where you have your expectations. But I think that you're just going to hurt yourself if you just expect people to be... versions of themselves that they aren't. And if these people don't want to change, that's really good.
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Or maybe just like once, if the registry isn't out yet, maybe it's going to be sent to the house. Hey, send them all your registry.
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Thanks. I think that... I think all of them were okay. I might have fumbled one of them, but I think we're okay.
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Yes. Yeah. I don't know why you stopped. You cut yourself off.
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I just, I think there's a lot of people who have dealt with this before when they have family members that they love and they know that they're doing something that is crossing a line legally, but they don't want to call the police because they love them and they don't want to put them in a situation where now they have this on their record forever or they're in jail and now...
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Not only do they not want that for this person they love, but will that person ever forgive them? Will their relationship ever be the same? I think it's just such a complex issue. But at the end of the day, you're right, Jerry. You do have to advocate for yourself. And if this is the second time that she opened up a credit card and... child's name, that's abusive and you need to take action.
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All right, everyone, welcome to part two of our deep dive on Karen Reid. So in this episode, Chandler and I chatted at the beginning about her upcoming wedding. So if you're here just for the Karen Reid of it all, refer to the timestamps on where to go to to begin the next part of our deep dive on Karen Reid.
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Yeah. So that is pretty insane. I just also think that really he should be investigating the death of John O'Keefe. And it seemed like his role and what he was trying to do was investigate how they could convict Karen Reid. Yeah.
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He was so biased from the beginning and hated her. And in an investigation, you should have an unbiased investigator, not someone who's calling you the C word and dehumanizing you. He sent some really awful text messages. Karen Reid has a medical condition. She has multiple sclerosis. Yeah.
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yeah yeah and like I believe she has a colostomy bag oh does she or like I know she has Crohn's I know she has she has she has like very like life-altering you know issues with with I think MS or yeah Crohn's disease she has both I don't know her like her medical stuff to a T but anyway
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He sent some really graphic texts about it that were just like, honestly, you can't imagine that any person would utter about another person, let alone a professional, someone who's supposed to be treating this case with respect. Respect to her, respect to the victim. He, from the get-go, has been the most problematic part of this entire case. I mean, he's jeopardized the entire thing.
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And what I think is really interesting, and we'll get to this, but in the opening statements from the defense, from Karen Reid's attorney, Alan Jackson, he says that Trooper Proctor is, you know, what the whole case rests on for the prosecution, but he's also their Achilles heel. Right. Because he is so problematic. Right.
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Gosh, I just, again, I always go back to his role is to be finding the truth. And he seems to literally hate Karen Reed. One thing, too, for people who aren't as familiar, Karen Reed was kind of an outsider. She was not a part of this necessarily super tight-knit community. You know, she was maybe a bit more like white collar than some of the other people in this town.
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And, you know, she was kind of, she was seen as an outsider. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that another thing that is interesting and kind of just going back to the scene of the crime and when someone asked him, are the owners of that house going to catch any heat for this?
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I was reading an article today about this and apparently the neighbors on the other side of the street, they came out during all this commotion, right? They took photos. And again, this was happening on the front lawn of Brian Albert's house and Brian Albert does not come out. He doesn't hear it. And When I was first hearing that testimony, I thought, okay, well, it's cold. It's 6 a.m.
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It's freezing by crazy wind. Okay, you cannot hear it. But if it's happening on his front lawn and the people across the street definitely heard it, they come out, they take pictures, they also testified or they at least gave quotes saying that does not make any sense that he did not hear the commotion. Especially when Brian Albert... Is a first responder. Is a first responder. Is someone who...
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In theory, would want to help his friend. Would want to help out or help with this like tight knit community and this like horrible tragedy that's happened. But to stay inside the entire early morning, it absolutely makes no sense that he didn't at least like walk out to say like, hey, what's going on? You're a police officer, right?
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Just because you don't want people kind of frigid and uncomfortable. I think the worst possible weather. Not kind of wet. I think the worst possible weather would be cold and windy. Oh, yeah. And right now we're looking like warm, potentially afternoon shower. But we'll see. We'll see. And honestly, it'll be wonderful no matter what. I mean, can you imagine if it's a beautiful day? I know.
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Like, you just would come out to talk to your other, you know, your colleagues.
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You would try to help in any way you can. Trooper Proctor was a good family friend of the Alberts. Not only was there nothing from, you know, Brian Albert to Trooper Proctor, but nothing from Trooper Proctor to Brian Albert. Like, hey, man, something happened at your house last night. Like, knock, knock. We got to ask you if you heard anything. It is so...
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And I think it really goes – it's really impressive that Karen Reid is – like, when you hear interviews with her, she says, like, this is my purpose right now is shedding light on these injustices and this corruption. She's like, I would rather go to jail wrongfully convicted than – then plea guilty and get a lesser sentence because she's like, I'm not going to give them that.
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And she really believes her purpose right now is exposing this really corrupt police system. So basically, after it comes out that the jurors, hey, we were unanimous on these first two counts, Karen Reid's attorneys say, this might be double jeopardy. You shouldn't be able to prosecute her again for those same charges if theoretically everyone was unanimous. But Judge Canone denies that.
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And so the second trial stands. They also appealed it to the Massachusetts
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supreme judicial court but that court upheld the decision in february 2025 keeping all the charges intact according to karen reid's interview with vanity fair in october 2024 she is currently five million dollars in debt in legal fees and is living off her 401k and that is just from the first trial there is still a second trial that will raise her bill significantly it is unknown whether this case is being billed at a normal rate reduced or pro bono due to its high profile
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I mean, this is the case of a lifetime for Alan Jackson and his team. Well, I don't know if you know this, but Alan Jackson also defended Kevin Spacey. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he's a high-profile attorney, but this is the first time I'd heard of him. Yeah.
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So there's a legal defense fund that has received over $914,000 in donations from the public, but that's a far cry from what she owes, even from just the first trial. Right. It's just really, really insane to think about how she's even going to, like, prepare her life after this is over if she's acquitted. I will be so surprised if she even stays in Boston.
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You know, I feel like you'd have to move. Well, I kind of feel like she's almost a local hero in Boston. Yeah. Because I feel like almost everyone is on her side. I feel like a lot of people are, but also a lot of people aren't. Right. You know? A lot of people that are, like, connected to those friends. Yeah. Yeah.
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that these people are you know so many years out from this I think I believe he died in 2022 we are three years from that and everyone from the prosecution's camp is sticking to their story it's really unfathomable the other thing I think is interesting about it is Karen dated him for two years and has been three years since his death and I think a lot of people like expect her to still be bereaved but this was not even a perfect relationship this was not like her one true love they were gonna get married they had issues and
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They had things that they were going through. And it was interesting to hear her interviewed. And she basically says, like, I have a lot of complicated emotions looking back. Like, obviously, you know, she loved him. But look at, like, what this has done to her life. It's totally upended her life. And this is going to define her. Yeah. No, absolutely.
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Will you be so happy? And if it rains in the morning, it'll be great because it'll be super green. It'll clear out allergens, et cetera. Love it. But yeah, what else about me and my wedding? I'm so excited. I was thinking, I was like, did I get the same lead up chatter? And I don't think I did. I feel like I was, my wedding content was so demure in comparison. It was worse. No.
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And the other really sad part about all this is that, like... John O'Keefe, who was a beloved uncle, friend, police officer, like his memory is now completely kind of like tangled up in this mess. And it's just really sad for everyone involved. No, absolutely. So the retrial of Karen Reid has been unfolding through 2025 following months of pretrial litigation.
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In the months between the mistrial and the retrial, both sides battle battled over evidence and trial procedure. Karen Reed's defense filed multiple motions, alleging police and prosecutorial misconduct, including a February, 2025 motion to dismiss the case for extraordinary governmental misconduct.
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Judge Kenoni reviewed, but denied the dismissal motion on March 25th, allowing the retrial to proceed. One interesting thing also about that alternate juror they hired is that apparently they hired her because. She said, I want to work for your team because she was so moved by the miscarriage of justice she felt she was seeing.
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So I think that also just goes to show why so many people are so caught up in this case, right? Because we all look at it and we think, like, I could be her, right? Yeah, absolutely. This could happen to me. And they see corruption in their community. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. So jury selection took 10 days with Judge Canone calling the process deliberately slow due to the case's notoriety.
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The final jury includes 18 members, 12 jurors and six alternates split evenly between men and women. So the prosecution has a new attorney. His name is Hank Brennan. And, you know, the previous prosecutor was not as dazzling, I'll say, as Alan Jackson.
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He kind of was a little bit sleepy and just really did not present a really strong case and didn't have a lot of energy, I would say, and gusto that really, I think, could have compelled the jury. Yeah, I think being a good litigator requires you to be a really good storyteller, a great orator. Like you need to be a good actor. Yeah, it's a performance. It's a performance. Exactly.
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OK, so let's get into some of the new evidence that's going to be, you know, in this second trial. So there will be cell phone data, apparently the iPhone temperature that will help establish a timeline.
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I'm guessing this is John's iPhone to see, you know, what temperature his iPhone was at during the course of the night, as well as vehicle telemetry, which is, I guess, like a black box from Karen Reed's Lexus that would allegedly show unusual maneuvers consistent with hitting something. And also, I think more angry voicemails from Karen suggesting, you know, knowledge of John's situation.
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We already heard angry voicemails in the first trial, but it looks like there's going to be more in this one. Yeah. I mean, all of this is scary. Should be scary for Karen Reid.
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I will be very interested to get these new pieces of pieces of evidence, because if there's any world where she could have accidentally done this or done this knowingly, we obviously John O'Keefe's death is what we're all exploring here and trying to get to the bottom of. It's not just getting Karen Reid acquitted at all costs. We really want to know the truth.
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And if it comes out that, you know, there's really hard proof showing that his cell phone never warmed up after he left her car... That's a little sketchy. You know, maybe they got in a fight on the lawn. Who knows? Maybe the dog came out. Yeah. Something I struggle with is how cable, you know, if she didn't hit him, which I believe she did not.
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But if she didn't, how soon into the night did the fight happen? Did this tragedy happen? It seems kind of weird that you go from one minute, you know.
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everything's good come over to my house which you'll hear about in our full deep dive about the events of that night to then they walk in the door and then all of a sudden you're getting attacked like that seems really far-fetched to me I think that like it just doesn't make a lot of sense either way I wish that there was more theory about like how this actually went down and the theories that like about I think Brian Albert's son and are they're just a little bit more flimsy I mean
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It was gravely worse. Wait, our discussion of my wedding was, you think over, like the coverage was more intensive. Yeah. No, I don't think, well, I think it was more fraught. Well, I was more of a bitch. You're actually surprisingly chill. Like I am basically instilling fear in you and anxiety into this process.
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The simplest theory, Occam's razor in this case would state that Karen Reed accidentally hit John, in my opinion. She was drunk. She was driving. She doesn't remember a lot of things. She doesn't remember a lot. That is the simplest explanation, right? We have no evidence there was anything, you know, that he even went inside that night because they alleged they never even saw him.
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The only evidence that we have is that from, like, his Apple Watch account, But even that location data doesn't show him inside the house. I think they show, like, yeah, steps, I guess. You know, if she hit him and then he immediately was on the ground, why would there be steps showing him from his Apple Watch or from his Apple Health data later on in the night? There are. Yeah. Oh, OK.
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I didn't know that. OK, so that's good. But I think that's, like, you get one expert who says that data is accurate, and then you get one expert who says it's not. So it's, yeah. Right. Well, truly the simplest explanation, I believe, is that she accidentally hit him. That to me is the simplest explanation. She's blackout drunk. She goes home. She somehow like doesn't realize, okay? She calls him.
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She's upset. She comes back. She has hit him. And that's when she says, I hit him. Could I have hit him? The problem is that there are so many confounding other circumstantial weird things going on around this case that completely destroys the simple theory. right?
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Because there's just too much cover-up, strange behavior of all these people that would not have happened, in my opinion, if there wasn't something else going on. The biggest weird thing for me that I continue to go back to is the fact that Brian Higgins and Brian Albert both destroyed their phones and SIM cards.
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So Brian Albert, the homeowner, you know, the person who was inside the house at the time of John O'Keefe's death, you know, there were
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butt dials and phone calls allegedly also keep butt dialing each other between him and brian higgins who was also inside the house was also a part of the group that night in the middle of the night there was one call that connected for 22 seconds that's just a butt that was a butt dial brian albert claims that he was in the middle of lovemaking and anyway both of these men were told that their phones were going to be subpoenaed i think you're given some type of formal notice like hey just so you know in the next day or so your phone's gonna be subpoenaed the phone records or whatever
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No, no, they were going to be given basically an order not to destroy their phones.
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And he destroyed his phone and SIM card, disposed of it in two different ways. In two different locations. One on a military base. He did that the day before he was given that order.
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Like I'm like, everyone, if you feel sick at all, you need to be aware of your symptoms. You need to not come near Ben and Chandler. And she's like, it's fine. I'm not worried about it. I will do whatever doctor feel good shot I need to do on the day of. I will take, you know, Mucinex. I will load myself up with whatever medication is needed. I'm feeling good.
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So a lot of people believe that this is very kind of like inside baseball or whatever, just kind of like, not inside baseball, but there's like an inside person said, hey, you're about to get this order, destroy your phone. Yeah. You don't destroy your phone if you have nothing to hide.
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Why have you destroyed a phone of yours ever? Well, here's another question I have. Chandler. Why would you ever remodel your basement floors? So this is another very confounding piece of this, but the house outside of which this happened, they sold three months after under market value. Brian Albert sold that house under market value. They also redid the basement floors.
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I guess they wanted to do some remodeling before they sold it at a loss. And I believe that the basement floors had already been redone three years before that.
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Why are we redoing the basement floors when we just redid them three years ago? For what it's worth, that was also a home that had been in his family since childhood. They also, I mean, that point alone is just like, this is a family home. Okay, it makes no sense. They rehomed this dog that he has had for seven years. Yes.
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They claim that the dog got in like a fight with another dog or there was just some incident. But it's just like all of this is really, really bizarre. Especially when John has markings on his arms that are consistent with bite marks. There's just too many weird factors outside of Karen exiting the driveway and driving home. There's too many other weird things that happen. Exactly.
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Like the pieces of taillight that they find on the snow. Exactly. They don't find those until I believe the next is, it's a really long time. So they were like collecting evidence in the wee hours, you know, right after they found John. And then later on that day, they go back to do, you know, more evidence collection. After they've taken her car into custody.
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After they have, you know, taken her car, seized her car, and they find all this other evidence. And which they then store and capture in red solo cups and stop and shop bags. Also, the evidence that they do find that morning is, are clear shards of a cocktail glass, right? Which is he brought home from the waterfall, that bar they were at.
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So they were able to find clear glass, but they couldn't find red pieces of a taillight, multiple red pieces of taillight. Also, they take her car into custody and the surveillance footage, like showing her car, they invert it so that they thought they were looking at... You would think you're looking at the side with the taillight that, you know, had apparently hit John. Right.
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There's video footage of a person walking by that taillight and potentially, you know, could have at that moment taken some pieces. And they intentionally inverted that footage, allegedly. They claim that that was an error in the camera. You know what I predict? What? First of all, it's just like... That's not an error in the camera. That doesn't really happen.
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But the other thing I will say is I actually predict that with this cell phone data, with this vehicle telemetry, with these angry voicemails, I just think that this is going to be the same as all the other like the Apple data and the Google search from Jennifer McCabe. It's like there's just going to be an expert from each side that kind of explains it away.
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Well, I don't believe that there's a smoking gun that they found. I will say maybe a lightly smoking gun for me is still the Google search and the fact that the Google search was deleted. Deleted your deleteds, to quote Brittany from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
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I mean, we're spending quite a bit of time rehashing now, but I feel like I could literally have the same conversation 100 times and be riveted every time. So Jennifer McCabe, one of the people at the house that night, Brian Albert's sister-in-law, I believe, she Googles at 2.23 in the morning, house long to die in cold. Yes. She misspells how. Right.
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And then the next morning when she goes with Karen Reid to go looking for John because Karen calls her when she realizes that John has not come home, they find John. And she says that at that moment, Karen tells her to Google how long for someone to die in the cold. And that Google search, she was just on basically a browser she had been using at 2.23. She clicked into it. like that window.
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And I was like, you need to stay away from me.
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And for that reason, it like misread the time she Googled that. But then, which is like, to me is plausible. Right. But why would you delete it? Because that search was then later marked as deleted when they went into like, you know, the full phone records and everything. Did Carrie ever say whether she actually asked her Jennifer to Google that? I'm not sure. Yeah. I never heard about that either.
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She was like, I just had it though. So I'm like, not like I'm healed. I'm the best person to be around. And I'm just like, no, stay away. Yeah. Six feet. Anything else before we dig into the meat of the matter today? I mean, the meat of the matter. The meat of the matter. Delicious. I'm not sure if I just came up with that, but here we are. I think you did. You're a very eloquent poet.
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Okay, so the prosecutions, you know, this go-around, they're going to use these new pieces of evidence that they're going to try to get Karen with. They also are going to really focus, as they really did in the first trial, on her saying at the scene, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. Her version of that is that she was saying, could I have hit him, basically. Like, I hit him? Yeah.
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Like she was just very confused. Yeah. And in a state of shock. Another part of this is that they are going to focus a lot on clips of her giving interviews that she has given since the first trial to try to basically, you know, get her in trouble with her own words, as we discussed earlier in this episode. So we're going to play a clip in here that was played during opening statements from a
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How are you feeling about your wedding jobs? Oh, I thought you wanted to talk about my wedding, which I would love to go live about. Any takeaways? Are you having any type of reflection on your wedding during this week of my wedding? I actually really want to revisit my nuptials. I wanted to read my vows, actually.
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My comment on this clip is that she's clearly saying that she's wondering in that moment, could she have clipped in? She's just giving a narrative, the same narrative they've been giving, that she's questioning, could she have hit him? That's it. She's not admitting to anything. Yeah. I don't think that she, she doesn't say, yeah, I didn't say that. Right. Right.
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You know, I think that they're looking at it as an admission of guilt and she's looking at it as, could I have hit him? Did I hit him? Right. Right. That was her state of mind at the moment. Yes. Okay. So defense attorney Alan Jackson, he is really going to focus his time around that there was no evidence of a collision between John O'Keefe and Karen's Lexus.
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One of the biggest parts, I think, of this to touch on is that the medical examiner for the county would not rule his death as being caused by, you know, a vehicular... A homicide. And... The fact that his injuries were not consistent with being hit by a car.
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And the fact that his injuries were not consistent with being hit by a car at all. That was like this person said, they look at hundreds, you know, they've seen so many car accident victims. Right. His injuries were not like that. And I'll just say about the two opening statements, Alan Jackson's were quite riveting. I found it to really like carry my interest.
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And, you know, the prosecutions were just not as compelling.
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Okay. So this attorney is still not as good. Yeah. I mean, I think Alan Jackson is really good at what he does. You're also physically attracted to Alan Jackson. You're also physically attracted to Alan Jackson. The beard is a good look. I don't know if I love the beard, but yeah. We're revealing that we're not fully unbiased in this. We're both attracted to Karen Reid.
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We are physically attracted to her. Yes. Yes.
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Also, I will say what's difficult for me is I know he has a wife, but I really want him and Karen to get married at the end of this. I just feel like they have to be in love. Yeah. I don't know. I'm very irrationally into them getting married. Period.
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When I try to commune with Ben about how Alan Jackson is attractive, Ben says that he looks like he's someone on too much testosterone because his nipples are kind of puffy. Okay. Well, please don't say that about Alan. The other thing, I just feel like they also look so similar. I know. They have such a similar like hot weathered look. I like love the way Karen's mouth moves. I know.
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she's very arresting she's very arresting okay but anyway to move on we probably should scratch that from the record but oh my gosh yeah anyway so alan jackson had an impressive opening statement the prosecution's opening statement was based all around you know the perspective of the emergency medical responders and the people who you know the ems services and the prosecution's you know opening statements were all around the perspective of a first responder on the scene
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I do actually kind of want to talk to you about your vows because I'm in the process of editing my vows. How did you approach it? What was your system? I believe I wrote mine in the 24 hours before. So it was a very last minute writing, which was not good. Or maybe I jotted down notes I honestly really can't remember. Can I tell you that I was writing mine this morning or, you know, editing them.
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And I think that it was just a little bit less powerful. Well, as someone who tried to buy a free Karen Reid hat recently, I will say that I'm happy to know that because I don't want some talented prosecutor to be on the case right now. Yeah, there just weren't any cute ones, I'll be honest.
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So Alan Jackson is claiming that the investigation was riddled with bias and competence and deceit, accusing trooper Michael Proctor of fabricating evidence and covering up alternative causes. So in the first trial, they brought up the possibility of Colin Albert being a potential suspect, but they're not allowed to do that in this second trial.
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Yeah, and I'll just, I think I can summarize the last few bullets here. He really focuses on reasonable doubt. The fact that there's just not enough evidence. Right. And he hits on that, and in a dramatic flourish, he repeats, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.
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I have, like, done a draft. And I was thinking about my favorite part of your vows. Oh, really?
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You know, in this first week of the trial, we heard from paramedic Timothy Nuttall, or Nuttall. He testified that he found John O'Keefe unresponsive and that Karen Reid repeatedly said, I hit him.
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And I think my favorite part was when you said, I can't wait for our kids to say something to me and then I'll say, go ask your dad. And I thought that was just, like, the sweetest little, like, glimpse into the future, you know, something you were excited about. So anyway, I was like, oh, I love that little touch. Yeah. Yeah. It was very sweet.
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We also heard from Carrie Roberts, a new witness and family friend, who testified that Karen called her in a panic, suggesting John might have been hit by a plow, which prosecutors argue that that shows her guilt. I don't believe this. I think the fact that he, you know, Karen woke up at 4 a.m. or whatever. He still wasn't home. The snow was crazy. And, you know, John would not not come home.
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Right. And so she was thinking, you know, it's like, yeah, it is like I think your first thought when someone you expect to be home is not home and it's the wee hours in the morning, you're like, oh, my gosh, something really bad happened. And they're not responding to your calls.
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I think that just shows that you're in a level of panic, not that you're in a level of I think I hit him, hit him with my car. Right. Right. And also one thing is if Karen did hit him and then flee the scene, his body would have been out on that lawn for the entire night. But the plow driver was who went by twice and who says he has great visibility.
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He's supposed to have great visibility. Huge bright lights. He says he did not see him. And Michael Proctor in his investigation said no one plowed that night and lied about that. I mean, also people left the party allegedly and didn't see his body. But Peggy O'Keefe, so John's mother, emotionally testified in this first week of trial that Karen admitted, quote, I left him there during a call.
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Defense did decline to cross-examine her because they just said it would look... I think the idea is it's not going to look good to cross-examine the mother of this man who's Died. Yeah. You know, it's very sad. She lost her daughter and her son-in-law. It's just, it's very, very sad.
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Then there's Mike Camerano, a friend who described the night, you know, that they were all out, that John and Karen were happy and affectionate. So, you know, basically saying there was no motive. So it's expected in the coming days and weeks of the trial, other major witnesses from the first trial will return.
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Jennifer McCabe, Brian Albert, Colin Albert, Brian Higgins, all the names that are on the witness list, though it remains to be seen if the prosecutor will call the Alberts or if the defense will in their case. Trooper Proctor, now fired, is also on the list and could be called, which would be highly dramatic, given the accusations against him.
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So another interesting thing is that the jurors have gone to 34 Fairview, where this all happened, and they basically have done a field trip. Yeah. I guess they went there with a court guide and all the attorneys, but no one was really allowed to say anything except for the court guide who could kind of point out where specific things were alleged to have happened.
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And so that way they can get an idea. Like if I'm leaving this house, am I going to see a body right here or am I not going to notice? It's how far away is it? Yeah, I think that's such a good point. It's hard for me, even though I'm a student of this case, to know how big is this lawn? How far away is the driveway from where he was found?
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Like I couldn't wait to say, go ask your dad and be referring to Kagan. Exactly. Yeah. And I think it was like you talking about, you know, Kagan, just very knowledgeable and knowing about a lot of things. I think the best thing to do is to just make them as personal as you can. So to avoid platitudes at all costs.
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How far away is Brian Albert's window from where he was found? It could be a massive front lawn. I don't know. So the other key part of this is that Alan Jackson's case right now, it is all about the fact that her vehicle did not hit him, right?
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And apparently they are, you know, they have this expert witness that's going to come in and there's going to be new evidence, but they just had what's called a, I don't know how to pronounce it, voir dire hearing. They just had a voir dire hearing. Thank you, Chandler.
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And this hearing took place outside the presence of the jury and it was held to evaluate whether expert crash reconstruction testimony from the ARCCA, ARCA, could be presented during the trial. The testimony relates to biomechanical evidence and vehicle damage analysis that the defense argues supports their theory that Karen Reid did not hit John O'Keefe with her SUV.
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So obviously, like, this seems to be the heart of the new defense of Karen Reid. And really, that was a big part of the opening statements. The prosecution challenged the timing and scope of the defense's disclosure of this expert evidence. They claim the defense failed to properly turn over all data or comply with procedural deadlines, raising concerns about fairness and trial integrity.
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The defense argues that ARCA analysis is key to showing that O'Keefe's injuries don't align with being struck by a car, but rather suggest a potential cover-up and assault. So Judge Canone heard testimony from ARCA experts like Dr. Andrew Schrentzler.
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She has not yet ruled on whether the jury will be allowed to hear the expert crash testimony, but it will be a huge blow to Karen Reid if they cannot bring in this expert. Yeah. So anyway, everyone, we wanted to bring you a little refresher on this case. We're obviously going to be seeing this through. It's extremely riveting.
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Okay. To finish off the episode, can we just do a quick pulse check on Travis Kelsey unfollowing Ryan Reynolds? It's a huge deal. There's no denying that there wasn't a call with Tree Payne that was like, yeah, unfollow him. Like we want to be firmly, oh my gosh, it's coming to me. I'm a visionary.
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I'm a seer. She, I believe, something must be coming in this case, right? Where Taylor's camp knows that Blake and Ryan are going to look really bad. And my theory is they're like, we do not want to seem like we're in any way team Blake. Not only are they distancing themselves from them, but they're like actively saying like, we are no longer aligned with these people at all. Right.
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And I think that they said the best way to do this without having Taylor involved is if Travis Kelsey unfollows Ryan and Blake. Yeah. I think it also calls into question all the other stories about how, you know, Taylor's supporting her from behind the scenes. Were all those reports just coming from Blake's camp? I mean, who knows? That's such a good question.
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I mean, 100%, everyone, this was not an accident. This was an approved move. He did it. Tree Pain co-signed it. Mm-hmm. Taylor Swift co-signed it. Yeah. And this was intentional. Yeah. There's no other way. You don't just accidentally unfollow Ryan Reynolds. And especially like, and Blake Lively. Right. He unfollowed them both. Although I don't know if he ever did follow Blake Lively.
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Basically, if you have heard that exact sentence before, don't have it in your bowels. Like I don't want to hear that he's your best friend. Totally. You know, I don't want to hear that you love doing life with him. Totally. I really don't want to hear anything anyone's ever said before.
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That would be crazy if he never followed Blake Lively. It's true. So I definitely think this is really bad for Blake Lively. Yeah. And I don't know, it's kind of crazy that, could Taylor be team Justin Chandler? I don't know. Okay, well, Meghan Markle went on a podcast for the very first time. She made her podcast guest debut.
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And Lauren and I listened to it. Oh, we sure did. Please, take it away, Chandler. This podcast is very different from our podcast. Yeah. It is just a lot more heartwarming. It's a little more chicken soup for the ageless soul. But it's Megan with her good friend. What's her name? She's the founder of It Cosmetics, I believe.
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Yeah, I don't know, except that she apparently sold her company to L'Oreal for like billions of dollars. Jamie Kern. Jamie Kern. Thank you, Jamie, for this interview. I cannot believe how long they were able to talk, honestly, about absolutely nothing. I'll just say, I just found it to be kind of boring. Oh, it was extremely boring. It was just...
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Yeah, it was just very boring and just a little too heartening for me. It's just so strange because Megan, honestly, like... People are not going to believe this when I say it. I do want the best for her. I honestly do support her. I just don't know anyone else like this. I don't know anyone who speaks in this kind of like...
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cloying saccharine just kind of hollow way about everything it's like everything anything you could discuss it's wrapped in a bow of like being better and hope and being a better friend and acceptance and love it all has like it's like everything is an after-school special
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There's just no part of it that's in any way like relatable or kind of chill or kind of... I mean, I think she tries to when she like has that moment where she breaks down and she's crying and she says like, this is why it's nice to not wear makeup or, you know, like she tries. But I think the friend is exactly like her. The friend is exactly like her.
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I don't even want to hear I love you. I want it to be narrative. I want to hear stories. I want to see images in my head. I want a casual jokey moment. I know. I got to think of my joke. And I think you have to just, yeah, you have to make it super specific. Like that's the rule of good writing, right? Is it's just you avoid cliche. So good luck. Well, the task is before me.
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So that's why I'm like, these people exist and they're happy and they're living their life, but they're not in our circles. I've never met. I've never met anyone like them, but they do exist. I mean, this is just my favorite part of the interview.
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I don't even... I mean, do I just have a black soul? Like, thank you for letting me be. I think that it's just... Thank you for letting me be, Chandler. I don't know. I think that like... No, your soul is in black. I just think that some people like eat that up. We don't. We don't. No, we just don't. And I just find it to be so silly. I don't know.
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The problem is with Megan is that she's just really not our girly. And so we struggle to obsess over her because like we struggle to find where like the similarities lie and like the way that we talk and like the things that we like think about. Yeah. I just find that nothing really arrives at much substance, that it all kind of stays really in the realm of like platitudes and niceties.
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And there just can be a lack of like disclosure and substance to what's being said. Totally. And like maybe real vulnerability. But you know what? That conversation might have filled her cup or whatever they say. Yeah.
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For example, she says in this interview that she sends a nightly email to Lilibet and to Archie, a nightly email with photos that are just candid and wouldn't necessarily go in a scrapbook or something. And when they turn 18 or something, she's going to give them access to those emails. Do you want thousands and thousands of emails someday? Is that what you want to go through? I don't.
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I mean, I can't even write in a journal for myself. It's just the insistence of depicting herself as Mother Teresa to me is what I find to just be really off-putting. It's like, girl, most of the moms I know, once their kids are in bed, they're just so happy to scroll on their phone or shop online. They're not like, oh my gosh, let me send them love letters now. Totally. It's just so over the top.
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Maybe that's what you do, though, when you have a full-time nanny and you have more time. I guess so. Can we talk about the nickname thing? Because I feel like they hit on that. Maybe they were speaking to me because remember how I said that I felt like the nickname H was so weird. Yes. Yes. Well, they like hit on that.
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I think they are literally they must have heard our podcast and, you know, knew that they needed to clap back. It made more sense to me when she explained. It absolutely did. Because she basically says that, you know, for the first few months or whatever of her and Harry dating, it was a secret.
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So you had to call him H and he called her M. And anyway, they like they talked about that for a while. Yeah. She was like, I love nicknames. Yeah, it's just like- That made more sense. After listening to her, unfortunately, it doesn't necessarily nourish my soul in the way that I feel like I would like my soul to be nourished. No, it doesn't nourish my soul at all. I just feel bored. Yeah.
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Anyway, I did make Ben a to-do list today before I left, which was very good. I was like, I'll give him things to do. But today I was like, I wrote down a list. And it was great feeling. One thing I will say, Ben is very good at doing your to-do list, so I have full confidence in this. But one piece of advice I have for you is don't rest on your laurels. So that was one thing I did a little bit.
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I don't feel enriched or uplifted in any sort of like meaningful way. I just kind of feel like, ugh. It's all very like hallmark card. Did you catch the part where she says, everyone goes, do you think you'll be married forever? And what did she say? She goes, yeah. Like, it was so funny. I was shocked they left it in. What a question is that?
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Do you think you'll be married? Chandler, do you think you'll be married forever? I hope so. Who knows? Who knows? Only time will tell. Well, thank you guys so much for listening today. Thank you for listening. Thank you for this program. Yeah. Thank you for being here. We love you. And we will be back on Friday.
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We'll be back on Friday with a mini episode for Global Elites on Monday with Chandler's interview with Ben. Chandler will be married to Ben, everyone, on you next Tuesday. Hear her voice when she's back on the show. The title of the show should be Mr. and Mrs. Manning. Oh my gosh. So, so cute. Well, thank you guys and we'll be back next week. Bye. Bye. One more update, everyone.
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Sorry, I'm hopping on behind the mic. It's late at night, but I wanted to have this episode be as up-to-date as possible. And in the time since Chandler and I recorded this episode earlier this afternoon, Judge Canone has ruled that to allow the ARCA witnesses. This is a huge, huge moment for Karen Reed and the defense. So this is what she said, though. She said, no more nonsense.
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Let's just try this case. That's what Judge Canone said while announcing her decision to allow two controversial witnesses to testify for the defense.
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The judge expressed her displeasure at, quote, repeated violations by Reid's team regarding the sharing of information about two witnesses from forensics and engineering firm ARCA, but ultimately decided that, quote, a defendant's right to a fair trial is paramount. She says, I'm going to allow the ARCA witnesses to testify. I'm going to allow what I expect to be a very robust cross-examination.
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I'm going to allow them to testify to everything they said up until yesterday. And then she said, I expect counsel to comply with all rulings and the rules of the court and all rules of professional conduct. This is a great
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triumphant moment for karen reed and alan jackson and her defense team so i hope you guys have enjoyed this deep dive chandler and i will absolutely be back for part three and with that we'll see you on friday for a global elite mini
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And I'm Becca, and this is a podcast where we take a break from climbing the absolute corporate ladder that is being a TikToker.
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About everything or just about? Just in life. Have no confidence. No, I felt like I was very confident in myself as a speaker. Oh, yeah. And so I didn't practice as much as I should have. Okay. And I stumbled over my words a few times. Do not remember that at all. Well, that's good because when I listen back, I cringe at the few times I stumbled over my words.
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well well well we are here on the official wedding week for chandler wedding week is here we're in full swing we're both in white we're both in white i got in the elevator today and a very cute girl complimented my fit and she was like i love it so spring and i don't know why but i really wanted to be like well i'm getting married this week i'm so glad you did and i i held back the urge
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And Kagan actually practiced a lot more than me and delivered much more smoothly than me because he was not resting on his laurels. One last thing. This is the week of my love, you know, all about Ben and I. But for whatever reason, my phone thinks that we're married. Okay. Because my phone, all of its suggested backgrounds are photos of you. Oh, he thinks that you and I are married.
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These are my wallpaper suggestions. No, there's more. It's like, it's a pic. There's one that's Ben and my engagement ring. And then the next one is like, is of you. They're more of you than there are of Ben. First of all, I love how just LGBTQIA plus friendly Apple is.
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Also, I just love the range. Because there's like a truly- Okay, you can honestly scroll here. Wallpaper suggestions are like all of you. There's truly like a few really slutty ones of me in a bikini. And then my favorite though is just like the me at the rest home, basically. Like- In my white linen. Oh my gosh. Kill me. Isn't that funny? So funny. Well, what a gorgeous day it is.
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I'm so happy for you. I'm so excited for you. I cannot wait to debrief with everyone. We also have a very exciting Global Elites episode coming up. Yes. The one that I recorded. Yes. Everyone, I did an episode with Ben. We recorded it this past weekend and-
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it was so lovely it was like tender and funny at times but i feel like you really get to know ben a lot better and it kind of just like set the tone for our wedding week in the most like perfect and special way so i'm really excited for everyone to listen to that i'm so excited that it's going to be up on monday everyone so when chan and ben are hopping off to their honeymoon you're going to get to listen to that interview and then the following monday we'll have chandler's wedding recap yeah
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So now it's all going to be on Global Elites. So it's never been a better time to be on Global Elites.
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Also, we have weekly minis now on Friday. So you're getting two bonus episodes a week now. It's a lot of content, everyone, over on Global Elites. It's a cornucopia. Mm-hmm. of Lauren and Chandler chatter. So if that's what you like, join us. And without further ado, I think we should dive into the meat of the matter today. A lot is happening. Yes.
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Chandler and I have never been as riveted, I believe, as we are right now on this Karen Reid trial. Right? Well, I don't think that you've been this riveted. I have actually been like 10 out of 10 following and riveted since the beginning. But I think, I believe that I led our deep dive, you know, on the case.
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And now you, I think you are finally seeing how crazy this entire situation is and the evidence and, you know, the lack of evidence. So right now, Karen Reed is on trial again for the murder of her boyfriend, John O'Keefe, who was a Boston cop. Yes, so today what we're going to be doing is kind of taking everyone through everything since the trial.
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So we're going to discuss what happened at the end of the trial, and then all of the kind of new evidence, and then this first week of trial. Just catch everyone up to speed so we're all as up to date as possible on this series of events. This case is really just so fascinating, and there are so many pieces of evidence, in my opinion, that support Karen Reid's innocence. Mm-hmm.
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But we're back with her potentially going to prison for a long time if she's convicted. Right. And there's new evidence that the prosecution has that's definitely, I think, going to make this trial harder than the first trial. And I think they say that when you're retried, it typically favors the prosecution. Really? Yeah.
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But I think we should tell everybody about what happened during the first trial.
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So everyone, last year, last summer, after 29 days of testimony and a week of deliberations, the jury twice reported being deeply divided. The jury went to the judge two times and said, look, we are at a standstill. We are deeply divided. We cannot come to a consensus. And on July 1st, Judge Beverly Canone declared a mistrial due to a hung jury.
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Now, where this gets very interesting is that it later emerged that jurors unanimously agreed that Karen was not guilty on two counts, the count of second-degree murder and the count of leaving the scene. But they were split on the third. And they believed that they had to be unanimous on all of the counts so they did not return partial verdicts.
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It's kind of like when you see someone on your birthday who you don't know. You have the urge to be like, it's actually my birthday to the lady at CBS. She's like, bitch, I don't care. I don't care. But anyway, it's here. You look very stately, very regal, very bridal. Thank you. Very beautiful. I'm so sorry I'm wearing a white top. Truly, it was an oversight, and I didn't think about it.
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As a result, no verdict was reached, necessitating a full retrial. It's really, really flooring. And I can't imagine how frustrating that would be for her, for her defense team. They fully won a not guilty verdict for two of those counts. And the big one being second degree murder.
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So leaving the scene of the crime is also obviously, it's not as large, I believe, as manslaughter.
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So that's definitely still big, but it's not nearly as big as second degree murder. And the fact that they got her off, but because of this technicality, like why can't they just bring all those jurors in, have them agree that that's what they said? I mean, I guess basically they could be influenced after they leave the courtroom. Yeah, I think it's like now tainted.
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And like this jurors account, you know, like that's just what they say happened. No, it's crazy. And also if you watch the documentary body in the snow, you'll see that her lawyers, like they, they put on a really impressive case the first time this was not like. They got lucky the first time.
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Like her lawyers did a very good job, I would say, of defending her and presenting, you know, an alternate theory as to what happened that night. And so the fact that they're having to do this all over again for the same, you know, hopefully the same, if not a better result is pretty crazy. Yes. So there are certain parts of the defense that they're not going to be able to discuss this go around.
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And in my opinion, this really supports Karen Reid's innocence. She has been doing interview after interview after interview, just talking, talking, talking. She did a Vanity Fair interview where the woman stayed with her. The journalist stayed with her for three or four days. No question was off limits. There were no boundaries over what she could ask. This woman is airing it all out. And
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It's actually crazy because the problem is that it does give the prosecution so much material to essentially use against her.
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And that's what's really tricky is even if you think you're not saying anything that could be even somewhat incriminating, if they can start piecing parts of anything you say that conflicts with something you said in the past, if they can bring both of those statements to trial, they can say, well, we can't actually trust what she's saying, right? Because there's conflicts here. Mm-hmm.
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And I think that the hard part is, is like memory over the course of several years can be kind of difficult, right? You could misremember things. You could start to think that something that someone else said was something you heard yourself. You know, it's just, it's so easy, I think, to, with a case with so many details, it's just easy for caring to potentially forget.
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really cause harm to herself by doing all these interviews. Yeah, and to that point, all of these witnesses are going to have to come back and testify again. Their memory is going to be even cloudier than before. And I think a lot of these witnesses that really were in favor of Karen Reid's case and that really looked bad, we just don't know if they're going to look bad again.
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Lauren's wearing a plunging white top, for those of you not watching. Plunging. Mm-hmm. Tits are out. For the girls and boys. The highest Olympic-sized, whatever, pool diving board plunging top. Yeah. I just can't stand when any attention is not on me, as you know. It's true. No, just kidding. I'm so happy for you. I'm so excited. I know. I am too. I'm feeling really good. Yeah.
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We don't know if this prosecutor is going to be able to do a better job at cross than Alan Jackson. It's just really crazy. I think that... Karen has very impressive lawyers on her side. It's the same legal team as before. In fact, they've added a new member to the team who was an alternate juror from the last case who's actually a lawyer herself, I believe. I believe she's a woman.
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And she is now on the team. And I think she'll be really instrumental in kind of helping to shape the way they need to position their case for the jury. Did you hear that there were three jurors?
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I think they were, I don't know if they were alternates, but there were, yeah, I think they were alternates, but there were three jurors essentially that were dismissed from the trial immediately after the trial was over. And those three jurors, Alan Jackson says in an interview, he says, We know they favored Karen Reid.
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We just know from their body language, from how they... He says you can get a pretty good read on each of the jurors based on are they leaning in when our case is happening? Are they leaning back? What are their facial expressions? I guess you can get a pretty good sense. And three staunchly pro-Karen jurors were immediately dismissed. What do you mean by dismissed?
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Like they only needed a certain amount. And I believe that... Like during jury selection? No, after when the... I think it could have been just the alternates. But once 12 went into... to deliberate all the, like, I wish I knew the specifics on this. So apologies. But basically it's like three, I guess just three jurors were selected to not need it anymore. And those three were very pro-Karen.
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And he just says like, that is something that they look back on and really feel like was a miscarriage of justice for her. And there is some feeling right now that this judge is anti-Karen Reid. Have you seen that? And it's the same judge in this second trial, which I think is pretty insane.
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I don't know if that's like what always happens, if it's always the same judge for the, you know, second trial.
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But yeah, there's definitely a sentiment that this judge is anti-Karen Reid. Another interesting thing is that the two counts of the jurors were... completely unanimous about finding her not guilty on were the counts that would have had her hitting John and leaving the scene. Those two counts, they did not believe that she on purpose hit him and left.
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That's secondary murder and that's leaving the scene of the accident. The count that there was some waffling on from a few jurors was the manslaughter count. And so manslaughter is the unlawful killing of another person without premeditation or malice aforethought. So it differs from murder, which typically involves intent or premeditation.
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One thing about intent and premeditation is that can happen in a second, right? Where you get upset with someone and you drive your car into them. That's premeditation. That's intent. Yeah. Manslaughter would be she accidentally hit him. So I do think that it just... Again, it's like no one thought she murdered John O'Keefe.
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And also, manslaughter is going to carry such a lighter sentence, especially for someone with no criminal history. Right. Well, actually, maybe it's not, though, because if she's drunk and manslaughtered, can't that happen? I think it's for sure going to be less than... Secondary right. Okay. So let's get into the aftermath of the first trial.
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So trooper trooper, Michael Proctor, who was accused of misconduct was relieved of duty. The day the mistrial was declared and officially fired in March, 2025, after an internal review to refresh your memory, trooper Proctor.
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sent derogatory text messages to friends during his investigation, including, quote, hopefully she kills herself, as well as calling her the C word and mentioning that he didn't find any nudes on her phone. So Trooper Proctor was the lead investigator. He was the person who was supposed to be overseeing all of this. And yeah, his behavior is indefensible.
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The weather is a little bit all over the place, but it's looking warm. It's looking warm. We're not sure about precipitation, but at least the day itself is looking warm, which is maybe my biggest wish. Really? My wish is like really for warmth over. I think warmth is more important than even wet. Your Ray J one wish. Yeah. Is for warmth.
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He was texting his high school buddies about this case. They asked about, you know, the homeowner, the person, you know, whose lawn John was found on. And I think they asked him, is the homeowner going to catch any shit? And Trooper Proctor said, no, he's a Boston cop too. Basically saying like we're protecting each other. He might've said he's a cop too, but he said he's one of us. Yeah. Yeah.
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Hi everyone. Okay. I just wanted to explain how this week's episodes are going to go. So this week we do have a brand new full episode for you all that is being released as our deep dive into the Karen Reed trial part two. So it's the episode that comes after this.
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Everyone, go to cleansimpleeats.com and use code POPAPOLOGIST for 10% off your order. cleansimpleeats.com, use code POPAPOLOGIST, grab a bag of the chocolate brownie batter protein powder, and I swear it will taste like a Wendy's Frosty. It tastes like a dessert, okay, but it's good for you. Clean, grass-fed protein. Lauren, you know how we've been on a dead run for like the last week?
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Well, let me just tell you that thank God I had early bird to, you know, help me unwind after the craziest seven days. I took a full gummy and was able to literally knock out in the best way possible. They're so effective at just making your brain melt away.
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All of a sudden, like the rush of an internal monologue, all your anxiety, all the stuff you're stressing about, it just kind of gets muted and it just kind of like mushes away and you can truly fall asleep. It's incredible. They're simply perfect. I love taking a half if I'm going to unwind and watch a show. A full one is maybe more when I'm just looking to fully go to sleep.
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And they do a perfect job every single time. I will say a single bottle will last me a really long time because a half does wonders. I usually only take a half. I highly recommend going to earlybirdcbd.com. using code POP20 for 20% off. So let's get into another huge piece of evidence, which is Karen's car, Karen's Lexus SUV.
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Now, what is very, very crucial in this case is none of it honestly makes a ton of sense. And I think you go into it thinking, like, of course the girlfriend did it. And the woman who's on trial right now is named Karen Reed. So here are the basics about John O'Keefe and Karen Reed. Officer John O'Keefe was a 16-year veteran of the Boston Police Department.
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So the collision reconstruction team, when they were processing Karen's Lexus, noticed broken glass fragments on the rear bumper that could be a match to the cocktail glass John took from the bar.
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shattered rear taillights that were missing, red and clear plastic, various scratches and dents, a large scratch and a minor dent on the right side of the rear taillight, plus chipped paint near the bumper. They also tested the car's backup camera, which was confirmed to be working.
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So if Karen put the car in reverse, the car would have shown John in the rearview mirror and the warning sounds would have alerted her that something was behind her car as well.
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So the crime scene was reconstructed, and according to the prosecution, the Commonwealth, you know, that's prosecuting Karen Reed, the crime scene reconstruction data indicates that her car reversed 60 feet at a speed of 22 miles per hour around the time she was believed to have struck John with her car.
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So another piece of evidence and context is that John's niece and nephew were interviewed, and they reported that John and Karen were having problems with their relationship. According to the niece and nephew who lived with a couple, the two had been fighting a lot and had a quote toxic relationship. Yeah, and evidence from John's phone bears this out.
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So messages from John's phone indicated that he wanted to break up with Karen. There's a voicemail message from Karen on his phone saying that she hates John. Additionally, his phone data doesn't show him going into the Alberts' home, which has been a key part of the prosecution's evidence.
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So it's like if you're saying that, no, he went in there and they beat him up and killed him and then put him outside for his body to freeze, how does that make any sense if his phone says Doesn't show data that he went inside.
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However, apparently this isn't the most reliable data point because in densely populated areas, phone towers aren't known to be that reliable for measuring locations with that much precision. So it's kind of like maybe, maybe not. You also think about like when you go to zoom in on your friends on find my friends.
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Like, I live in the same building as one of my close friends, and we just look like we're on top of each other. You can't really tell how far apart we are from each other. You can't really see 10 feet difference or anything like that. Or 20 feet. Yeah. Right, right. So another part of this is John's Apple Health data.
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So Karen's defense argues that John's Apple health data shows him taking 80 steps and climbing the equivalent of three flights of stairs at the Alberts property. Again, we don't know how precise this data is, but clearly he was alive and taking steps post getting out of the car.
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Yeah, and we don't know how reliable it is, but I will say it's interesting that this Apple Health data says he climbed three flights of stairs. And if she just dropped him off and then backed over him with her car, there would be no flights of stairs recorded on that Apple data that I know of. So that part is very interesting.
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So Karen's blood alcohol levels on the morning of January 29th, she was measured to have still a blood alcohol content of 0.08, meaning, you know, the night before when she was driving, she was much more intoxicated, probably 0.13 to 0.29 when she was driving away at 1245 a.m. And it kind of comes out.
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She says she had four drinks, but they look at surveillance footage from the bar and she had about nine drinks that night. I just have to say really quick, I do not understand the drinking and driving here. Like what? I have a hot take on drinking and driving really quick. which is that why don't we just make it completely illegal to drink at all and drive?
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And maybe that makes me sound like a wet blanket and a prude, but there's just a part of me that's like, I mean, I guess people have to drive long distances after having like a couple of drinks with dinner, but I just still think like with Uber is being available now, it's like, why do we let people drink and drive period? Well, and it's crazy that it was commonplace for her to drive this drunk.
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So the thing about John O'Keefe, and I really want to start with the victim in this case and the person who is deceased. He sounds like one of the most stand up wonderful men on this podcast and Chandler, especially there can be some man hating happening. And that does not apply to the valiant man that John O'Keefe seems to have been.
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I guess maybe that's a stretch. Yeah. Well, no, sorry. That's me. I would get a strong objection in court, but like the fact that she doesn't remember what happened the night before, but she made it home safe herself. I mean, she might've killed John in the process, but she like drove that drunk all the way back to his house. I don't know.
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It's just like, it's crazy that anyone can operate a motor vehicle like that at all. It's insane. It's absolutely insane. I just think that we are not part of like any sort of friend group or culture where it's like normalized. Yeah, I think it might be also an age thing as well. Like it's really not a part of it's like it's not kosher at all for people or people our age.
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So no drinking and driving on the pop apologists podcast. Sisters against drunk driving.
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Not even a joke. For real. Not even a joke, truly. Okay. So let's cut to three days after John's body is found where Karen is arrested. So Karen is arrested and is charged with manslaughter, motor vehicular homicide, and leaving the scene of a collision causing death. OK, so however, after a grand jury reviewed the evidence, Karen's charges were upgraded.
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So she was then charged with second degree murder, manslaughter while operating under the influence of alcohol, and leaving the scene of personal injury and death. She was arraigned in these charges. She pleaded not guilty and was then released on $100,000 bail. So the case against Karen is pretty strong.
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She was obviously drunk, so much so that her blood alcohol level was still at or above the legal limit at around 9 AM the next morning. And it's not exactly promising that she was wondering loudly if she had been the one to hit her boyfriend, which she apparently did to both the women that were helping her find John and the paramedics at the scene. So it seems pretty cut and dry, right?
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
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so karen obviously pleads not guilty and a multitude of factors happen where she realizes like she's being framed and there's a lot of like stuff on facebook and you know if you go into like the the reddits and the deep dives on this case there's a lot more about like this town and you know what she was starting to see that made her think wait i'm being framed right now for real
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yeah yeah like facebook posts by people involved or people who were at that party that night and it just like her spidey senses went up and so she decides to hire big guns so she hires david unetti and alan jackson alan jackson we're not talking about the beloved country singer who sings lauren my favorite song remember when
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Although that song is stirring, this Alan Jackson is a stirring attorney. And he actually represented Kevin Spacey when he was accused of sexually assaulting a young man. He's very good at his job. He's an extremely good communicator. And it's super quick on his feet. That's what you'll notice in a lot of these trial recaps is he just can hit back figuratively when he's cross-examining someone.
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And it's very impressive. So she hires this big legal team to help her wage her defense against the prosecution. And she needs big guns because if the Boston Police Department or several officers within it are creating a conspiracy or covering up something that they did and trying to send her to prison, that's, I think, why this trial is so captivating.
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Because not only will get into the reasons why there's such a miscarriage of justice for John and for Karen, because the way that this case was handled was so sloppy and Yes. And when you're being accused of murdering someone, the civil servants who are on the scene there to protect the evidence and to gather evidence, they should be operating in a way that's according to the book.
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So, yeah, this isn't just because, you know, he was a civil servant. Would we call a police officer a civil servant? I'm not sure. Maybe. Yes, definitely. Remember the time that there was that murder outside dad's office building and those police officers showed up and they were like the most valiant, courageous men and women defending? You almost called them soldiers. I know.
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That way you have the best ability to have the facts to defend yourself. Right. But as you'll see, things seem to be manipulated. And so anyway, the reason why this case is so captivating is it's like literally potentially a police department trying to frame this woman.
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Yeah, and I think as we get into some of these details and if people do their own research, as they say, you're just going to be baffled by how this case was mishandled. At times, it's like, was this just a stupid blunder of them collecting evidence in the wrong way? Or was this intentional?
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Were they trying to be sloppy so that the evidence wouldn't hold up or that they could manipulate it like you're saying? Exactly. Okay. It all seems pretty far-fetched, obviously. Occam's razor would suggest that Karen and her boyfriend, who were not getting along, the kids say they have a toxic relationship, all things, you know, would point to that she just did this.
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That she backed over him, she left him to die in the cold, and this woman should be locked away for life. However, there is enough evidence here that would suggest that at best, some very poor police work happened, and at worst, there is a massive police cover-up. So here's a clip where Karen's being asked why the police would try to cover up a crime.
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Because he's dead. I think things went too far. It was late. There was alcohol involved, but they're all family. And there's many of them involved. Also, I want to just restate here. They went after this bar to another police officer's home.
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So the fact that this crime occurred right outside of a police officer's home, ostensibly where there should be a lot of people who know how to handle this type of situation, and that there are grave miscarriages of justice over and over again, it just really feels like it wasn't accidental.
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Okay, so this is what the prosecution is saying. So this is the prosecution's case. They say there's no evidence that John ever went into Brian Albert's home that night. There are 11 witness statements from all the people there who report that John did not enter the home. So the prosecution says, listen, it's a simple story. Obviously, Karen hit him with her car.
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She put it into reverse and violently hit him and then left him for dead. No one from the group inside Brian's home was aware that John was outside, injured in the snow, and Karen knew exactly where his body was and led the other women on a wild goose chase of sorts before arriving at Brian Albert's home, knowing exactly where he was going to be.
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okay so this is what karen's defense is saying karen is innocent and that she had no criminal intent that she actually saw john enter brian albert's home that night they also suggest that john could have had a physical altercation with someone at brian albert's home there was a group of people there that night and we'll uncover more of who was there as we go on but you know basically somebody who was at that party or maybe a group of people who were at that party got into it with john
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And one of these people that they suggest is 18-year-old Colin Albert, who's Brian's nephew. John had previously had an argument with Colin, and the argument kind of amounted to Colin telling John to, quote, go fuck yourself and doing some littering in John's front yard. There are photos of Colin taken shortly after John died where Colin had scrapes and bruises on his knuckles.
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But I just honestly, I have never respected and just felt more protected than when those brave men came to the scene of an active shooter near dad's office. That we were all watching. Yeah. Yeah. These people really put themselves in the line of duty. So absolutely a civil servant. And he was really known for his dedication to his work and family. Yes, Chandler.
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Well, and I just want to say, I'm going to cut in here really quick. I haven't seen anything in any of my research that Karen had any indications that she had anything on her knuckles. So that's interesting too, right? And he did have defensive bruises on the backs of his hands.
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John did. Also, Colin sort of seems to be a little bit of a punk who isn't super polite and doesn't have much respect for the rules. So the defense is saying that Colin doesn't think he's going to get in any trouble and sort of feels untouchable because there's a lot of people, including his father, uncle, and a few other people in his family and in his close circle who are all police officers.
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This episode is a re-release of our original deep dive into the death of John O'Keefe and the trial of Karen Reed that we originally published on June 20th, 2024. 10 days later on July 1st, 2024, Karen Reed's trial was declared a mistrial. So we are re-releasing our full deep dive on the case.
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Yep, and they also suggest that John's injuries were not consistent with him being hit by a car, but appear to be from a fight of sorts. And Karen's statement saying, I hit him, I hit him, the morning they found John's body were not actually statements, but they were questions. Did I hit him? Did I hit him?
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I mean, I can't believe this woman was driving when she was blackout drunk, but it's not that hard. To get blackout is something I've realized. And anyway, I just think that like the part that where she's like questioning if she hit him. I mean, you just wouldn't do that if you thought you were guilty.
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Also, if you're having a hysterical moment where you have just like laid on top of your boyfriend's body to try to revive him and you're realizing that he's in the same spot where you thought you left him last night. and now dead. Maybe you're just having this hysterical breakdown of like, could I have hit him? Did I hit him? Like, how did this happen? No, this was five, six hours ago.
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So continuing on with what the defense is saying, they are alleging a huge police cover up and framing of Karen Reed involving state and local police. They believe that 11 people inside that house have all conspired together with law enforcement to cover up John's death.
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Additionally, there is video surveillance of her backing her car out of the driveway in the early hours of January 29th, when she woke up, realized John wasn't home. And in the video, she's backing out of her driveway, and she seems to get extremely close to John's SUV. And I watched the video actually last night with Ben, and we both felt like the car wiggled a little bit.
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So it's very probable that she could have actually tapped his bumper, and that's when the broken taillight happened. Not earlier that morning when she left and I guess potentially could have hit John.
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So what's really interesting here, everybody, is that with this video surveillance footage where we see the car get tapped, Karen's car, after the police arrive on the scene and everything, her car is actually then taken. I think actually they drove it back to her place. And then later on in the day, it's taken to the police department to get processed as evidence, right?
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And the video footage of it at the police department, there's a certain amount of time that is fully missing from the record. And recently in trial, that part of the footage actually came back and they were like, well, we actually now have this footage, because people are suspicious that maybe her car was tampered with in order to try to plan evidence or whatever. And
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What I'll say is I think what makes this case really complex and baffling is that this deals with potential corruption within a police department. And that is really undercuts, you know, the man that John O'Keefe was. So John O'Keefe was known for being a wonderful, wonderful man.
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The crazy ass thing is that the video footage has been tampered and it has been warped to now be inverted because so basically they play the video footage in court and Karen looks at her family while they're playing and she goes, it's on the wrong side. And if you look at the video, like police is spelled backwards. And so they literally, it's like they doctored the video. It's really nuts.
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They also apparently did not submit the video in discovery. So they didn't like give her team, her defense attorneys, the ability to review it and to know what was coming, which is not like the judge admitted it, which is crazy. Like you shouldn't be able to admit evidence that's not admitted into discovery.
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So both teams should be able to prepare for trial adequately and with the same like evidence. So yeah, very, very interesting.
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You guys, as we go on, as you dig more into this case, like there are so many things where like stuff is missing. Ring camera footage is somehow missing. Videos have been deleted. And just like so many holes where it feels like people were intentionally trying to hide evidence. I don't know. The deeper you go into it, the more it does feel like a cover up.
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And it does feel like people were conspiring against her. Yeah. And I'm personally, I mean, if anyone's here from Kate Middleton discovered us through that saga, this might strain credulity, but I'm not a person who gets swept away in conspiracies. I'm actually not. I don't like to live in a world where police departments or governments are not what they seem to be.
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And it takes a lot for me to think that the simplest explanation isn't always the case. But again, like you said, there's a lot here that doesn't make any sense. There is this theory that the taillight didn't get broken when she, you know, as they allege, backed over John. But she actually bumped her car into his when she went to go look for him that morning.
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And that's when the taillight was broken. So Jennifer McCabe, who's an important person in this, and we briefly brought her up earlier. If you'll remember, she is the sister-in-law, I believe, of Brian Albert. And she was one of the women that Karen called, and she went along to go look for him.
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And so basically what the defense says is that Jennifer McCabe actually went along with Karen to help look for the body. And she did that with the intention of inserting the idea that Karen Reid would have killed John herself. Basically, she wanted to be there to potentially make Karen look bad. And she's one of the key witnesses who says, I said I hit him, or Karen said I hit him.
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And another crazy thing about Jennifer McCabe, and I'm kind of like getting to a detail a little bit ahead of itself, but I think it's really fascinating.
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So one of the big pieces of evidence for the defense is that there was a search on Jennifer McCabe's phone at like 2.30 AM that said how long till someone dies of hypothermia in the cold or how long for someone to die in the cold, I think exactly is what it said. But it was like misspelled or mistyped.
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He had been living in Canton, Massachusetts since 2014, and he was actually raising his niece and nephew after his sister died of a brain tumor and her husband died of a heart attack two months later. So the kids, their ages are 16 and 13 at the time of John's death, and they affectionately called their funcle, their fun uncle, by the nickname J.J.,
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And the defense, that's like a huge moment for the defense, because they say that that means that she, what was happening at 2 30 AM, why was she Googling that? Um, so she's a really important figure and her testimony at trial was really fascinating and her and Alan Jackson sort of get into it. And there's this moment where he basically says like, you might've liked John O'Keefe.
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You might've not intended for this to happen, but he was just a friend. He wasn't family. And her family is Brian Albert. Her family is who she's protecting now. with potentially this case and it's just saying yeah it's it's crazy
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Yeah, and also, I mean, obviously, it's like, why would she Google at 2.37 AM before she knew that this guy was missing how long it takes for someone to die in the cold? Right. So here are issues with the prosecution's theories. So as we've discussed, John's injuries don't appear consistent with being backed over by a car. So he has laceration, swelling, and broken bones on his head.
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And as we said at the beginning of this episode, you would think that he would be injured at his midsection if he was struck by a car. There are also marks on his arm that look like a dog bite. And the Alberts actually did have a big German shepherd who has supposedly attacked people before. And they rehomed this dog to a different state just shortly after John dies.
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Do you know what else they did? What? They sold their house. Oh, do you know what else they did? What? Apparently, they redid their entire basement before they sold the house. So all the floors were ripped out. Anything with any sort of forensic evidence was destroyed. Very interesting. And also, let's not forget, everyone, he climbed those three flights of stairs, according to his Apple data.
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So that would maybe went to the basement. Okay, so the county medical examiner called the wounds on John's arm road rash as a result of being hit by a car. But Karen's defense disagrees. If it was road rash, why would it only appear on his forearm and bicep? There's no evidence of road rash anywhere else on his body.
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Dr. Frank Sheridan from California, who has completed over 12,000 medical examinations, disagreed with the road rash theory. He concluded with a scientific certainty that these marks were from an animal attack. Okay, so let's get into...
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know some more issues with the prosecution's theory one of these being that how did no one see john's body outside of the alberts house as they left that evening when everyone trickled out when the party was done how did nobody see his body so one thing to note here is that people live in the on the east coast or they live in this you know region this was a huge snowstorm weekend
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The night of January 28th going to January 29th that morning, this region got a ton of snow, okay? But there wasn't a ton of snow 2 a.m. or whenever everybody left the party. It was really like, you know, 3 a.m. and whatever and so on. And so basically, you know, you can't say that, oh, he was already covered in snow. How do people not see his body?
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So this is what Karen's defense essentially says that, yeah, no one saw his body because it wasn't outside. It was inside until they carried it out and left him for dead. Also, investigators never searched the inside of the Alberts home. I mean, that's insane. OK, someone dies. They're dead on the lawn. And it's like, oh, we don't need to go in the house. We're good.
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presumably as well you know he it's not like that was just a random house you know and he he was on the side of the street that was like the house where he was supposed to have gone that night like the house was fully a part of the story so the fact that the house was never processed as a crime scene itself or at least searched in any way is so suspicious also once again
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For the past two years, he has dated a woman named Karen Reed, who is the primary suspect and who is being charged with his murder. He was only 46 years old when he died. So who is Karen Reed? Karen Reed is a 44-year-old equity analyst living in the Boston suburb of Mansfield, 10 miles away from John.
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These are all police officers. This is a police officer's home. You would think that he would be like, yeah, you come in. Let's see if there's any clues here. What, you know, if his hands were clean. So let's go back to Jennifer McCabe's internet search where she said how long to die in cold at 2 27 AM the morning of January 29th hours before Karen realized John was missing.
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Why would she type that? Why would she need to know that information? The prosecution previously reported that Jennifer McCabe was asleep at that time. However, her Apple health data says that she was up all night and that she was on her phone searching at 2 27 AM.
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So the way that the prosecution tries to explain this, and I'm pretty sure they got probably, you know, some iPhone expert or whatever.
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to say this but basically their explanation is that there was a glitch of some sort making it seem that that search was at 2 27 when it was actually made at 6 a.m on the 29th when she was with karen so you know later that morning when karen's trying to revive john and asked her to search that but that because she was using that tab that she had maybe had open earlier in the night that's why the search appears to be from earlier that night and karen's attorney alan jackson or actually maybe it was yannetti but
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Let's say it's Alan Jackson because I think he's my favorite. You have a hard-on for Alan Jackson. I do. He essentially obliterates that argument that Jennifer wasn't using her phone at 2.27. Jennifer's phone shows searches at 2.27 a.m., 6.23, and 6.24 a.m. with variations of how long to die in the cold. Jennifer McCabe also searched how long to digest food in between searches about hypothermia.
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She also deleted a ton of texts and calls from Brian Albert that night. She was apparently on her phone basically all night, so she didn't sleep that night. And, you know, even though the prosecution has allegedly done full forensic research on her phone, none of this evidence was ever turned over to the defense. Why would you be deleting texts and phone calls? That doesn't make any sense.
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Spoiler alert, everybody. She's not the first person who was at that party to be deleting stuff from their phone. Something that I just still doesn't make any sense to me is it seems like kind of a crazy coincidence that Jennifer McCabe searched how long to die in the cold. And then four hours later, Karen just happens to ask her to search for that in her phone.
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I was thinking about that exact same thing. And I sort of think, you know, if I may, I'm putting on my juror hat. I know this all allegedly, but I think that she maybe is making that up. But wouldn't care. Does Karen say I didn't ask her to search for that? I mean, Karen hasn't taken the stand, but we don't know. Right. Okay. Interesting. I don't know.
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The other thing is like, I just can't imagine this whole scenario, but let alone being like, Hey, can you Google this? Right. I mean, but also I kind of can at the same time being like, if you're frantic. So some more evidence that suggests a coverup and yeah. This is where you guys are just going to be like completely baffled.
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So there's camera footage all around the Alberts house, which would normally clarify what happened that night. And you know, everyone in their dog has a ring camera these days, but conveniently the footage from when, you know, a lot of this stuff might've taken place is all missing. Additionally, the police chief in Canton lives across the street from Brian Albert.
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How amazing there's all these police people in the neighborhood, but his camera is also not available for any use. It's not available. I don't really know what not available means, but. It's not available. Wait, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. This guy has cameras all around his house, but there's footage missing. It's not available. It's crazy. And, and, and, and.
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She is listed as being on the faculty in the finance department of Bentley University as an adjunct lecturer, a position she has held for more than 13 years. So she's an accomplished, very astute financial professional and scholar. She has worked in equity research in the tech sector for Fidelity Investments for more than 14 years.
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So another piece of footage missing that I've already talked about is the hour between when Karen's car was towed to the police station and then checked into the police station. Interestingly enough, that's right around the time the police found the red and clear plastic from a taillight on top of the snow.
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According to lead investigator, Michael Proctor's affidavit, the detective said he arrived at Karen's parents' house at 4.30 PM and then towed her car at 5.30 AM. But her parents' security footage, as well as the police report, showed that these times were wrong and that Karen's SUV was actually towed closer to 412.
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So there's a 78-minute discrepancy that would have left him alone with the car with plenty of time to break her taillight and plant the pieces at the house for the team to find it when they arrived at 545 later on that day.
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apparently there's a key witness who is going to come forward who is going to testify about karen's vehicle being in police custody and the information that the cameras mysteriously cut out for 42 minutes so here's a clip regarding that we have a law enforcement witness
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Okay, so a little bit more about this taillight. So the fragment of Karen's taillight, which supposedly proves that she had hit something, wasn't found until hours after the scene had been processed and Karen's car had been in their custody. Why did they go back after they'd already spent nearly two hours combing the snow for evidence? Why did they go back to go look for something else?
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What's more interesting is that the taillight was found on top of a bank of snow, but it had snowed almost six inches that night, mostly after the time Karen Reed would have left. So why was it on top of a snow bank? I mean, if he was under a layer of snow, why wouldn't the taillights that were broken at the time of his accident also buried under snow? Doesn't make sense.
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It doesn't make any sense. It's like the sloppiest cover-up as well. It's like, let me just go toss the broken taillight over there. You know, where my head is at as an audience member, like maybe they just think we don't even have to do a good job of covering this up because we're all buddy-buddy. We're buddy-buddy with everybody in this case.
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She lived in Mansfield, but spent much of her time at O'Keeffe's helping with the kids. So they originally dated in their twenties, but then they broke up and they reconnected during the pandemic. All right. Okay. So let's get into the crime and the day where all of this took place.
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Also, you guys, Brian Higgins, who is another member of the Boston Police Department, was at the house partying. He went at 1 30 a.m. into work that night. He decided I'm going to go do some administrative work at the police station really on a Saturday night after you've been getting drunk with your friends on an early Saturday morning.
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I just, you know, Brian Higgins, he's such a dedicated police officer. And it's interesting because another police officer from that night was also calling him at 2.22 a.m. The police officer who went to go do admin work, Brian Higgins, needed to talk to his other friend from the police, Brian Albert, that night. The owner of the home.
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yeah but brian albert i guess claims to have been asleep at that time okay yeah why are they calling each other chandler that doesn't make any sense also everyone don't forget that around this exact time when brian higgins is at the police station catching up on administrative work after partying jennifer mccabe's phone googles how to die in the cold at 2 27 a.m
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Something I'm very curious about, though, is what was he doing at the police station? Was he getting something? If it was a cover-up, I don't know. That's just a curiosity I have.
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It's honestly such a good question. There were many phone calls early in the morning of John's death between people who were at the home, allegedly. So there's calls between Brian Albert, Brian Higgins, Kevin Albert, Brian's brother, former Canton Police Chief Brian Berkowitz in the early hours of January 29th.
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In cross-examination, Brian Higgins denied having phone calls with any of these men, specifically Brian Albert, during the morning of January 29th. However, when he was informed that there was data showing that the calls had taken place, Brian Higgins says, oh, it must have been a butt dial.
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So on January 28th, 2022, Karen and John, as well as a handful of Boston police department friends and their wives went out for an evening at a few local bars. After last call, the group headed to Brian Albert's home. He's another Boston police department. So this is the Boston police department. Yeah. I don't know, maybe it's like Canton was a town within the Boston area.
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It's just crazy because so many of these people are like, oh, it was a butt dial. What? I know how iPhones work. You can't just accidentally butt dial people like this. Yes. It's the most unfortunate butt dial I've ever heard of. Also, apparently when these people are testifying, there's a lot of I don't remember. There's a lot of Robert Dursting on the stand, which is, oh, I can't recall.
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Yeah, I think it's like San Clemente is in Orange County. Yeah, totally, totally. So after last call, the group headed to Boston PD Sergeant's Brian Albert's home to continue the gathering in the early hours of January 29th. So basically, they're all out on the night of January 28th, and they want to keep the party going at Brian Albert's house.
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Don't remember. Right. Right. So why are these calls so important? They're important because they take place five minutes before Jennifer McCabe's alleged 2.27 a.m. Google search of how long to die in the cold. Why was someone Googling that in the middle of the night? Once again, we ask. This is where...
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Ben and I were driving in the car listening to a podcast about this, where both of us just fully stopped, looked at each other, and we're just like, the case closed. Case closed. Which is that Brian Albert got rid of his phone one day before receiving a data preservation notice. which is basically like, do not get rid of your phone. It might need to be used for evidence.
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So Brian Albert responded that his phone was failing and that he needed to upgrade it and that the timing was just a mere coincidence. This guy is like a veteran police officer. He should know how these things work. And he also just happened to do it the day before he was going to get this preservation order. There's also something very suspicious about the way this phone came to be gone. Okay.
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Because I don't know about you Chandler, but if I get a new phone, there are two things that happen to my old phone. One, it remains in a drawer and all my old data is still on it. Two, I hand it to the wonderful, you know, strapping young man or woman at the Genius Bar, okay, as I'm upgrading. Or I mail it to Apple. Yeah. But he, like, destroyed it. Destroyed it.
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Like, broke it in half or something. And, like, destroyed the SIM card. Right. Do you know who else, though, was in the mood for an upgrade? Yeah. Brian Higgins. Brian Higgins got a new phone, too. Everyone in this town loves to get new phones. And do you want to know how he got rid of his phone? He wanted to make a day out of it.
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So he drove to a military base outside of local police department and state police department jurisdiction, where it's very hard to get a search warrant or whatever because it's a military base. And he physically destroyed the SIM card and the handset separately. Then he changed numbers and carriers. Not suspicious at all, Brian. I'm so sorry, but it's just like obvious.
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No one changes their phone number. The only reason you change your phone, I don't know. I've had the same phone number since I was like 16. Why would you drive to a military base to like dismember your phone? I've also never covered up for a murder, okay? But I've also never destroyed any of my old phones. And I probably should, you know, given the embarrassing poetry that they contain. All right.
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So also the handling of the evidence, I want to ground everyone again in the fact that all these people are police officers.
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was so poor and you would think that police officers stumbling upon a crime scene would know what to do with it but these men rather than treating the evidence properly and putting like evidence on the snow and official crime scene bags which offer sterile conditions and secure ceiling they decided to just use some red solo cups to collect blood to collect blood yep
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So sometime during that time, tragedy struck and John ended up dead. Three days later, Karen was arrested and is currently on trial for second degree murder, manslaughter while operating under the influence of alcohol and leaving the scene of a personal injury and death. John's death specifically.
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Also, one of the key investigators is named Michael Proctor. And one of the things that comes out in this case is that this guy clearly hates Karen Reid. And there are text messages from the lead investigator, Michael Proctor, to his friends.
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So from this guy to his friends on his personal phone that make fun of her, like make fun of the fact that she has Crohn's disease, make fun of her looks, call her a whack job. I'm sorry, if someone's investigating your case, they should be impartial. They should not be making fun of your chronic illness. Have you read these texts? Yeah, they're atrocious.
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And I don't even want to share them because they're so atrocious and so awful. It's horrific. I mean, what I will say is there's one in particular where he's talking about how he searched her phone. And his friend says, you know, ask him about searching her phone or whatever. And he goes, yeah, no nudes yet. Haven't found any nudes yet or something. And it's just like, what?
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Where's the professionalism? Where are you treating this like, yeah, being impartial, like you're saying? And he calls her a whack job. He's like, he fully does not like her. And so that's also a big problem. OK, so this case has been so mishandled that, and the jury doesn't know this right now, everyone, but this case has been so mishandled that the Department of Justice has gotten involved.
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And there is now a federal probe and investigation into how this was handled. And the feds apparently have a 3,000-page report, which has not yet been released to the public.
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According to the defense, the report from the feds confirms the following things. Jennifer McCabe's search was at 2.27 a.m. before Jennifer knew John was missing, not 6 a.m. when they were discovering the body. John O'Keefe's injuries also could not have been caused by the impact from a car.
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So the prosecution's medical examiner testified in front of the grand jury that the injuries John suffered were not the result of a fight and that the marks on his arms were abrasions caused by blunt force trauma. Separately from the first investigation, the FBI hired an independent team of investigators, professionals, you know, they have three PhDs to reconstruct the entire accident.
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This was done unbeknownst to the defense or the prosecution. Their findings were that John O'Keefe's injuries were inconsistent to the damage to Karen Reed's vehicle and that the damage to Karen Reed's vehicle was inconsistent to have made an impact with John O'Keefe's body. In other words, the car didn't hit John and John wasn't hit by a car. I mean, I have the chills.
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John's death, the following investigation and the ongoing trial has many twists, turns and reasonable doubt that has everyone split on what has happened and who is to blame for his death. So let's really dive into what we know. Okay, so let's get into the hours before John died on January 28th, 2022. So over the course of the evening, John and Karen have a large number of drinks during the night.
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this guy was killed and this woman's life is also now being, you know, threatened essentially. And she's being framed ostensibly. Another thing I want to just ground everyone in is that like this case is not going to resolve or this trial, I guess, specifically is not going to resolve with Jennifer McCabe or Michael Proctor or the Alberts being charged.
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This is about whether or not Karen Reed killed John O'Keefe or accidentally killed John O'Keefe. you know, that beyond reasonable doubt. And so I just think that's really interesting to remember is that the evidence seems so strong against these other people. And like, that's not even what we have to necessarily prove out in this, this trial specifically. Exactly.
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So also Chandler, the federal report confirms that Brian Albert and the Albert family, a lot of these people have a very close relationship with Michael Proctor. who is the Massachusetts state trooper who has led this case from the beginning. He's also the one who sent all the gross texts about Karen Reid, even though they all tried to downplay their connection.
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Okay, so we're just going to conclude. So get to the final section of this deep dive with the main problems with this investigation. Also, you guys, this is not open and shut. Like, obviously, we're pretty worked up. But this is still a mystery because there are issues with Karen Reid's defense as well. Mm-hmm.
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So there's allegedly evidence that there are microscopic pieces of taillight plastic found on John's shirt, which would lead you to believe that she struck him with that car. And data from Karen's Lexus retrieved by the state shows that her car went in reverse at a high speed the morning of January 29th.
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One crash reconstruction team concluded that Karen went in reverse for 60 feet at 24 miles an hour. is this how she allegedly hit john the medical examiner testified in front of the grand jury that the injuries on john o'keefe were not the result of a fight and that the marks on his arm were abrasions caused by blunt force trauma obviously the fbi's investigation does not support this theory
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The prosecution also reports that there's no dog DNA found on John's body or clothes. The prosecution also claims that John's hair was found in the taillight and that the taillight was found in John's shirt. We need to ground ourselves as well, though, that we're in a situation where When they went to examine the car, there's some missing footage. There's some missing video surveillance.
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So it's like, yeah, and also evidence could very much be planted in this case. So a Massachusetts state police trooper who specializes in crash reconstruction reported that John's injuries were consistent with being hit by a car at the speed Karen's vehicle was going when it was reversed. So this is what he says.
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He said, the lacerations to the arms from the taillight, the dent with the scratches where his hand could be, those are something that would be consistent in this particular case with striking the Lexus. So this is obviously in contrast to what the medical examiner for the defense said, saying that those injuries would not be the result of being struck by a vehicle.
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I think it's really tricky with this case because I feel like there are just so many different experts saying completely different things. And then there's also really bizarre evidence that doesn't seem to add up. I mean, I think that's one of the difficult things about any case, honestly, is it seems like each party can always get a expert witness to testify.
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And if we remember Johnny Depp's case with Amber Heard, both had expert witnesses that testified to their own stories. Right. So it's tricky. Everyone, Karen's story also had some changes to it. So John's niece who Karen woke up early that morning, she had her niece call Jennifer McCabe. Cause I think the niece is the one who had Jennifer McCabe's phone number.
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So the niece who overheard, I think Karen talking to Jennifer McCabe says that Karen changed her story multiple times when she was on the phone to her that morning, that she had different reasons as to why she didn't go into the, to the Albert's home with John. She said that she had a stomach ache and she's also said that, you know, she and John had an argument.
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They are at this bar and they're shown on surveillance footage as appearing to be in good spirits, affectionate with each other. After the bar's last call, other members of their group are heading over to Boston PD Sergeant Brian Albert's house and John wants to join.
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The defense's theory hinges on John having gone inside the house, right? However, according to a statement from Norfolk District Attorney Michael Morrissey, cell phone data from John's phone found on the grass beneath his body show that his phone never entered the house. We did go over that, but we're just going to repeat it.
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Additionally, others in the home are saying that Colin Albert left the house around 1210 a.m., well before John would arrive. And if you'll remember, Colin is potentially the individual that people think John had beef with and who could have hurt John. Who had the bruises on his knuckles. Yes. But one thing to say is that there's no video footage, even though Brian Albert has all these cameras.
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And these are the same people who had all these feverish middle of the night phone calls to each other. And the one guy goes off to do some suspicious admin work. And the same people who destroyed their phones. So it's like, OK, they say he left at 1210 a.m. I mean, that's even to myself even kind of suspicious. It's like, really, how do you remember that it was 1210? Right, right.
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So another piece of this is that Karen has insisted that her and John were in a loving relationship. But evidence from John's phone shows that she called him over 50 times that night, leaving furious voicemails and screaming that she hated him. Potentially, she was furious and worried that she couldn't get in touch with him for hours after dropping him off.
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Another part of the cracks in John and Karen's relationship is relating to Brian Higgins, who's the ATF agent who was in that house that night. He was potentially having an affair with Karen, or at least they were exchanging flirtatious text messages. He voluntarily gave authorities his phone, I think right during the beginning of the investigation and right in the midst of everything happening.
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And they retrieved 56 pages of text between him and Karen Reed. some of which a source with knowledge of the messages has characterized as romantic in nature. One highlight from their messages indicated that they had maybe kissed a few weeks before John's death.
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And then our episode that is up right now, our part two, it covers everything from her case being declared a mistrial, what's gone down in the year since, and then this first week of her back in court. Okay. So if you want to listen to just the updates and and just the new fresh content on Karen Reid, I urge you to go to part two.
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Interestingly enough, the prosecution was able to get his text from Karen, but then Brian Higgins destroyed his phone later before things were going to be examined by everyone else. So that's interesting that they were able to see his exchanges with Karen, but everything else was, you know, he destroyed his phone before they could get access to that.
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There's also surveillance footage taken of Karen driving toward the waterfall at 5.11 a.m. away from the waterfall. This is the bar that they went to the night before. So there's footage of her driving toward waterfall bar at 5.11 a.m. and then away from waterfall bar at 5.15 a.m.,
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Karen was reportedly apprehensive about joining the group at Brian Albert's home since she didn't hear them receive an invite to join the group. I mean, we've all been there, right? It's like, are we actually invited to this party? Right. So this is what Karen says.
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then heading toward 34 Fairview, the house that John was found outside, before arriving at Jennifer McCabe's home that morning. What was she doing during that drive? Had she already searched and found John's body? That might explain how she spotted John so quickly when everyone else couldn't, given that the police officer who responded to the 911 call had to use a spotlight from his cruiser to see
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the women crouched over John's body in the darkness. So Karen says that she was frantically searching for John before she, you know, connected with Jennifer and Carrie, which I will say for me, like if Kagan's missing, I'm not calling people before I'm leaving. Like I'm leaving my home. I'm out on the street. If my kid's missing, I'm gone. And then I'm calling you once I'm on the search already.
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I'm hitting a parked car because I'm so frantic. Yes. So prosecutors have been prohibited from fully analyzing Karen's phone contents because it contained privileged communication between Karen and her lawyer, who she called a few hours after John died. So data in her phone could help explain why. John's ring camera system that registered 15 events between 6 p.m. the night he died and 6 a.m.
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the next morning. Yet there is no video of Reed's arrival back home that night. So there's some ring camera footage missing from Karen's phone, too. It's honestly it's so strange. Also, John O'Keefe's DNA, one of John's hairs, as well as a fingerprint from two unknown individuals, was found on Karen Reed's taillight. The defense doesn't seem worried about this development.
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Karen's attorney said it was planted on the vehicle. I mean, it was, you know, the question is how did that magic hair survive a 30 mile drive through a blizzard? Obviously there is so much to this case. I mean, this trial has had so many big revelations and we haven't even heard from everyone yet. So we're still waiting to hear, you know, testimony from the medical examiner on the case.
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Um, we're also waiting to, you know, find out the content from Karen's voicemails when she tried to call John all those times that night and testimony from Karen Reed. We don't know if she'll take the stand, but it will be very interesting to see if she does. Yeah. I mean, this case is absolutely baffling. There's conflicting evidence on both sides.
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It's really not open and shut, but it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. So we're glued to it. It's absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for listening and we'll be, you know, following it really closely. Yeah, it's just truly such a mystery. So I will be following this very closely and we will do our best to keep everyone updated. And with that, we will catch you next week. Love you guys.
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So Karen and John leave the bar and surveillance video shows John taking a cocktail glass containing a drink from the bar on his way out. So that's very important to remember. He has a glass in his hand from the bar when he leaves. Right. So Karen drives her and John to Brian Albert's home in her Lexus SUV. And they arrive at the Albert's home at 1245 a.m.
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Karen allegedly drops John off at the Albert's driveway and waits in her car to hear back from John, you know, whether or not they were actually invited to the home. She testified that she was not feeling well. And so after about 10 minutes of waiting to hear back from John, she was reportedly irritated and drove away. Around 5 a.m.
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that morning, Karen woke up and realized that John wasn't home still. Call logs show that Karen tried calling John many times, 53 exactly, between 1230 a.m. and 603 a.m. She called Jennifer McCabe, who is Brian Albert's sister-in-law. Okay, Brian Albert, the house that they're all at.
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She calls his sister-in-law, Jennifer McCabe, who was with the group the previous night to see if she knew where John was. Jennifer did not know where John was. So then...
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jennifer calls chris albert's wife julie to see if she knows where john was so i'll just say here she calls the brother so brian albert's brother is chris the brian albert is the house they were at she calls his brother's wife julie to see if she knows where john is at this time yeah karen told jennifer and julie that john didn't arrive home last night and that her memory of the night before is bad since her last memory was at the waterfall bar the night before so she doesn't even remember the driveway necessarily
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Karen allegedly said she was worried he might be dead. So then, together, Karen, Jennifer, Julie, and Kerry Roberts, who is a lifelong friend of John's, go looking for him around 5.30 AM. Yeah, I think that, so I kind of, I'm interested, curious for your thoughts on this. I mean, you pull up to a house. You're a boyfriend. You've both been drinking a lot.
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You spend 10 minutes waiting in the car for him to tell you whether you're invited or not. And then you're just like, whatever, I'm over this. I'm leaving. That sounds like maybe kind of reasonable to me. Like I can kind of imagine like maybe he was so drunk because she's just like, he forgot about me and I don't even want to go anyway. So I'm just leaving. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
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I think what is a little bit odd to me is maybe even looking for him this soon. This is what strikes me as odd. Because I think when you're out, you know, a night of heavy drinking, your boyfriend doesn't come home with you. Like, wouldn't you just kind of assume like, oh, he probably crashed somewhere and his phone's probably on do not disturb or something.
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And I think what helped me sort of understand why she went to go look for him is. In one of the podcasts I was listening to, the person said that because he was such a dedicated uncle to his niece and nephew and they had had this tragedy of both their parents being lost, like he wouldn't have just forgotten to call or forgotten to say, hey, I'm not going to make it home.
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Karen, I guess, was immediately very worried because she just knew that that was out of character for him to just like not come home at all or not say something about it. Yeah, and I think it just depends on who the person is, right? Because on some level, I think maybe if you're Stassi and Vanderpump Rules and Bo doesn't come home, you assume that he slept the night as shorts and sandals.
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But if you're in your late 40s, financial professional, and your Boston PD boyfriend doesn't come home, maybe there's less of that going on. So that makes sense. That's great context.
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But we wanted to re-release part one for anyone who doesn't know the brass tacks of this case and wants a full primer on all things Karen Reid. So without further ado, please enjoy our deep dive on the death of John O'Keefe and the trial of Karen Reid. And then if you've already heard this episode, just head on over to part two. Well, well, well, Chandler. Hello. Hello.
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So according to Carrie Roberts, who is one of the women who Karen called to go looking for John, Karen was so drunk the previous night, this is what Carrie says, that she told Carrie in the morning she didn't remember anything from the night before, but that she wondered if John was dead or got hit by a snowplow. and that she still seemed drunk that morning.
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That was Carrie's impression of Karen and the thing she said. So before Karen, Jennifer, and Carrie found John's body, Carrie told police that Karen showed them her cracked right taillight, saying she had no idea how it happened the night before. So the taillight is also an important piece of this puzzle. So they arrive outside the home of Brian Albert, where she went to drop off
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john the night before and soon karen spots john's cold body covered under six inches of snow this caught the other women by surprise since none of the other women could spot anything in the snow karen quickly gets out of the car and finds him under six inches of snow john's eyes are extremely swollen he has cuts on his face his head and his right arm
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His clothes are soaked with blood and he had blood and vomit on his face. So Karen lays on top of him and tries to give him CPR. She lays on top of him to, you know, for warmth. And the group calls 911. When the paramedics arrived, she allegedly said something like, I hit him or could I have hit him multiple times? As expected, Karen is absolutely hysterical during this time.
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Jennifer McCabe reports that Karen asked her to Google how long you have to be left outside before you die of hypothermia. This is important to remember that Jennifer says that Karen asked her to Google this. So after this, John was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. Karen went with the police to have her blood alcohol content tested. So a few interesting things.
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It's like, OK, she knows exactly where he is. on some level you're like okay so she called the girlfriends to go with her because she doesn't want to be like upon the scene by herself she like wants witnesses and then also like she knows exactly where he is under the snow and they couldn't have seen it makes you just think like of course like she knows exactly what happened here
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mean also if she's saying things like could i've hit him am i did i hit him and she doesn't remember it just seems like this was a terrible tragedy accidental tragedy you know yes well and that but that was part of like something i was thinking is if she knew though like if it was something where she was aware of what she did and that's why she knows exactly where he is right and she brought the women there to have witnesses so she wasn't alone finding his body
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then I don't think she would have said, could I have hit him? I hit him. Because why would she admit to it right there? Right, right.
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That to me actually makes it seem like super strange. It makes me think that she's completely caught unaware of what's going on. And if there's any chance she knew she was guilty, she would be like, what happened to him? How did this happen? How did this happen? Or yeah, like she wouldn't have even discovered where his body was first. She'd let like somebody else do that. Yes.
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So this is the thing that's interesting about this case. There's a lot of conflicting details. One second, you'll think, oh, she's definitely guilty. The next second, you'll think, no, something else is completely amiss. OK, so the prosecution, known as the Massachusetts Commonwealth or just the Commonwealth, this is who is indicting people.
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It's basically like whenever, and I think that sometimes this kind of gets confusing when you're listening to true crime stuff. But you know how like in the Genshaw case, it was the people versus Genshaw. Like if you commit a crime, if you kill someone or commit a fraud case, like you're really committing a crime against the community.
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And so the prosecution will represent the people in this case who want justice. And specifically in this community, that would be the Massachusetts Commonwealth or just the Commonwealth.
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So the prosecution is saying that Karen backed into John with her car in a fit of rage in the early morning hours of January 29th and then drove off, leaving him to die in the snowbank on the freezing Massachusetts night. They're citing Karen's cracked taillight as prime evidence that she backed into him. OK, so Karen's defense.
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The defense is saying that Karen is innocent and that she is being framed for John's murder and that there is a massive police cover up going on by Massachusetts State Police. The defense alleges that Karen dropped John off at the home of Boston PD Sergeant Brian Albert.
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Then he went inside the home and was killed either by Brian Albert's dog or by someone who was at Brian Albert's home early that morning. You might think like, OK, that sounds really far fetched. Like the Boston Police Department are creating a conspiracy to frame Karen Reid for the murder of John O'Keefe when it's like you drove drunk. Like, are you kidding me? You had a broken taillight.
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We are here today to do a true crime deep dive. We don't do true crime very often, but every now and then a case comes across our desk and we have to do a deep dive on it. So today that is what we were doing. Yes, Chandler. This case is so interesting. Without further ado, we are getting into the death of John O'Keefe.
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This just you went straight to his body. But just keep listening, everyone. So here's the evidence from the scene. John's body had significant injuries.
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There were several cuts on John's right forearm to swollen black eyes, a bloody nose, various cuts to his face, a large laceration on the back of his head, defensive bruises on the backs of his hands and multiple skull fractures that resulted in bleeding on his brain. The doctor said his pancreas was dark red, indicating hypothermia.
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The medical examiner reported that his injuries took place prior to the hypothermia. The blunt force trauma and brain bleeds rendered John incapacitated and unable to move. Interesting here, you might want to note that there's really nothing below the waist that is noted here. It is all like neck up.
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So I think that's interesting because, you know, if she ran him over, he would have injuries, you know, to his lower extremities or to at least his chest. And you know, if that is what killed him, you would think that he would have injuries below the neck. Generally, I think if you're hit by a car, you don't look like you've been punched out in your eyeballs. It's like internal bleeding.
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And you don't have defensive bruises on the backs of your arms like you were defending yourself. Or I'm sorry, the backs of your hands. That doesn't make any sense. You would have, I think, injuries to your trunk, to your abdomen, to where a car would hit a body. And that's why this is not a simple case.
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258: What Really Happened at Diddy’s Freak Offs? Diving Deeper into the Secret Hollywood Underworld ft. Beyond the Blinds
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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277: Did Meghan Markle Really Ask for Every Vogue Cover? + Momtok Meltdowns on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Hi, everyone. Well, thank you so much for being here today. Chandler and I, Chandler sitting right next to me, say hello. Hello. We have decided that we are going to give ourselves on the week of Thanksgiving and the week of Christmas a little moment to not be putting out a new episode, but instead to be delighting you with a top episode of our almost 400 plus episodes.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
going to these like people's homes and like doing plant medicine. She's like, you're going to people's houses doing drugs? But what's interesting about it is she talks about how her mom, before her experience with plant medicine or her experiences, was really like there was a lot of negativity surrounding David, like a ton. And it just created so much ire within their family, right? Right, right.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And uncomfortability. And she said, you know, she didn't want to be around them, all that stuff, a lot of negativity. Rebecca didn't want to be around Kat and David. And then I guess post-plant medicine, Rebecca is like so enlightened. She said that it was almost like jarring for everyone else how relaxed and cool with everything and like healed she had become.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Where like she describes one thing where I guess David and Kat showed up on Rebecca's doorstep and Rebecca had like – Her hair was in rollers and she was like, oh, come in. Sorry, I'm still getting ready. Just so comfortable in her own skin. So accepting. So anyway, kind of a cool endorsement of the power of plant medicine, everyone. And you know what?
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
David Foster should also be schlepping the power of plant medicine because it's able to heal his ex-wives from the pain that he's caused them. David Foster should hope he's paying for her ceremonies. Yes, absolutely. And I think we should get into why she needed so much healing, Lauren. So Rebecca and David had three daughters, Aaron, Sarah, Jordan. David was absolutely terrible and awful.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
We don't have very many details, but he left Rebecca for another woman when they had three very young daughters, when all the children were very young. Basically, it says that he was only with Rebecca from 1982 to 1986, but then him and Linda weren't married until 1991. So there must have been some time.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
This is a long awaited day Chandler, this deep dive we're about to embark on together. Yes, Lauren, this is a long awaited, highly contested, demanded deep dive. And I think actually deep dive is the wrong classification. What you have joined me in today and what you're going to witness is actually the trial of David Foster. Except we didn't bring a jury. We just brought an executioner.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I feel like I just hear the way they refer to Linda as like my dad had an affair and then he ended up moving in with the other woman.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So I feel like that was the next person. Like he is definitely a serial monogamist. Right. Sounds like. Jordan, baby Jordan was only seven months old when he left. And I think the other girls were like three and four. So this is Sarah Foster speaking. And so I'm going to read this to you.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
On the podcast Sibling Revelry Words with Kate Hudson and her brother Oliver, Sarah went on and she talked about struggling following her parents' divorce, especially seeing David dote on stepsons Brandon and Brody Jenner after he married Linda Thompson, who then became his third wife. She said, our dad was raising other children. He wasn't raising us. He was raising Brandon and Brody.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I was like dealing with my whole emotional turmoil, which was watching my father raise other children. That was the thing that kept me up at night. It's hard as a kid looking at your step siblings and asking why they each have three cars when we didn't. By the way, it's a lot worse leaving a woman with a five-year-old, a three-year-old and an eight-month-old than leaving a woman with Lyme disease.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Well, first of all, they fucking hate Yolanda. So they really don't like Yolanda. They obviously don't get into it. But a lot is left unsaid. And you can read between the lines. And it's true. I mean, that's absolutely true. Leaving three young children, it's horrific. It's horrible. It's inexcusable. It's egregious.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It's obviously so terrible because you're not just impacting one person's life, but four people's lives. You're the mother and then her three children or your three children. And also you can really hear the impact that this has had on these girls. when you listen to their podcast. They have a lot of trauma from that experience.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I mean, that's the whole reason Sarah never got married is because she says, for me, if I never got married, I would never get divorced. And to her, being the child of divorce, a traumatic divorce, not a Gwyneth divorce, was really, really traumatic. Well, and it sounds like she kind of alludes to the different treatment, potentially financially.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Maybe reading between the lines, they struggled financially a little bit more, didn't have what their step-siblings had, who weren't even his biological kids. That would be really aggravating. Yeah, and I think that it's so interesting because the way they talk about it, Rebecca, was more of a single mom. than having any sort of active co-parent. And yeah, there was a huge financial disparity.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
We're going to keep returning to some of Erin's thoughts and their kids. But let's talk a little bit about Linda Thompson. She had a crazy life. She's still with us. She was with Elvis, if you'll remember. So David was the stepfather to Brandon and Brody Jenner. Their father is obviously Caitlyn Jenner.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And David raised Brandon and Brody since Caitlyn and Bruce was already with Kris Jenner and wasn't really present, was fully immersed in being a stepdad and the Kardashian's father, the Kardashian lives, and was having his own kids with Kris. If memory serves, there was a period where Caitlyn Jenner left Linda in order to transition. Right.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And I don't know if that was if the children I think the children were born and they were young. And that's when Caitlin left. And then obviously Caitlin decided not to transition and then ended up marrying Chris later. Right.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So, yeah, that was kind of what was going on behind the scenes. I didn't know this, but Brandon Jenner really considers David Foster his dad or his father. Oh, really? Okay. He says, David Foster, quote, was really my father. He's the man who slept in the master bedroom during our childhoods. He was there for most everything.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Although Bruce, now Caitlin, was the one who taught me how to ride a bike. I think it's definitely kind of a jab. It's just interesting to consider what it would have been like to be Aaron and Sarah and Jordan and And to have their dad literally just, like, being the dad to other kids and not to them. That's so traumatic.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And then also consider, like, for the Jenner kids, their dad – like, at least they had a father figure because their father was – had kind of abandoned them for a while. Yeah. It's just crazy.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
There will be no two sides of this argument. Yeah. So yeah. And I also am just going to start off this by saying that I attempted to rewatch the David Foster off the record documentary that we watched years ago. And that's what really turned us on to how terrible he is. So true. And I couldn't even get through it. I was just planning on having it in the background while I was working.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I mean, I think that would be so emotionally scarring, especially to be in a Hollywood situation where everyone's really wealthy, where you are, you know, your dad is famous, you know, he's not just like some deadbeat who's actually, who's choosing this other family. Right. Like way more traumatic for Aaron and Sarah and Jordan as compared to Brandon and Brody, who they had a father figure.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
They were in the, you know, they had all the wealth. They had all the resources. But then, you know, they had their own trauma, which was seeing Bruce go and have a family. And now Caitlin have a family with Chris. And there was a lot of abandonment issues from those kids towards Caitlin. Yes. So a trail of tears by these men. A trail, literally. Men and women. Mostly men.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So in 2016, Linda Thompson released a memoir called A Thing Called Life. In her book, she revealed that David Foster was very jealous of her exes. And he expected his wife to cater to him. And this is where I really got the impression that he really is neat. a king and he needs to be treated like one.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
She writes, quote, at times he had an expectation that I was there to serve and take care of him, to make beds and do housework. He really and truly wanted to be treated like a king, not like a husband or father, which speaks volumes about what he was like to live with as lovable as he could be. You're not saying to David Foster, hey, can you do bedtime tonight? I'm pretty tired. Right, exactly.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
This is not a partner. This is not someone who's in life with you. This is someone, and I think that for a lot of really wealthy guys, That's the deal. If you decide to sign up for a life with them and they've already built everything and they don't see you as a true partner, they really see you as like their romantic partner, but also like their like low-key maid. Like you're there to serve them.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Yeah. House manager slash sex partner. Right, right. Which honestly, it's not a terrible deal, okay? Linda looked like she was having a pretty decent life if you watched Princess of Malibu. You know, if you know that that's the deal and that doesn't bother you, who am I to say whatever? But you know, Lauren, David would get really upset when Elvis was brought up.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So she said that she saw Foster's insane jealousy of the memory of Elvis and who Elvis was. But David clapped back and he said in Vanity Fair, it wasn't jealousy. I just got tired of having a TV crew in our house every year on the anniversary of his death and hearing my wife declare him the love of her life. Just kind of funny. Wait, that's actually hilarious. Mic drop.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And to be honest with you, I really feel like this is the one time on this episode that I'm going to be team David because I feel like if you hear Linda Thompson talk and if you – I didn't read her memoir, but I feel like I got the gist of it by reading all the magazine articles – It was all about Elvis. Her life is about having dated Elvis. That's her claim to fame. David Foster is a footnote.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
The father of her children is a footnote. Caitlyn Jenner is a footnote. It's all about the nine-month relationship she had with Elvis or however long it was. So just to quickly follow up with a few more details about Aaron and Sarah. Sarah says that her dad really instilled the importance of hard work into her, you know, thanks to his adage, I'm rich, you're poor.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And I could not listen to that man for one more minute. And I had to turn it off. So yeah. I feel like just in our own defense, because this feels like such a, like, why are we doing this? Like, why are we doing a deep dive on David Foster? He's just a music producer.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Aaron says she obviously felt a lot of conflict towards David, but not as much towards her step siblings, I guess. She said, mine was less resentment towards them. It was more like we're misunderstood out in the world because we have this fake spoiled lifestyle, but we're not even really allowed to be a part of it. So we get all the backlash for it, but we don't actually get the benefits.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And I think when you're 15, you don't have the maturity to understand that them having a spoiled lifestyle is not going to serve them well. You're just like, why do they have all these things and I don't and my dad's the one giving it to them.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I think that like listening to them talk, it's so interesting because they clearly have had, like they don't seem like people who just have had everything handed to them. And I think that there is something like really cool about how accomplished they are, how much they've done. And I think that it kind of speaks to the fact that they, yeah, they just, they didn't have, it sounds like,
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
a credit card they could just charge everything right i think this is a hollywood experience that you and i are really fascinated by you know if you remember our conversation about like austin swift it's the people and maybe that's not a perfect comparison but i think we're really captivated by the the life and the logistics of people who are fully in the hollywood or like the a-lister sphere but maybe don't have all of the perks of it right now like don't have actually like
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
carte blanche like money or whatever and and privilege and access to things but at the same time are running with that crowd yeah the rob kardashians of the world the austin swifts the parents of right so so fascinated by how the money trickles across and up and down from the mega stars and it sounds like it didn't trickle that much toward aaron and sarah
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Also, another fascinating thing about hearing them talk, it's clear that they were raised in this environment. In the same way that Brandon and Brody, their stepbrothers, had this crazy, lavish life, they clearly have so many friends who have crazy wealth. In comparison to them, it's kind of – I don't know. The way they talk, it's like they're clearly very well-off, wealthy women.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I do feel like the culture has foisted David Foster and his personality and his personal life onto us, like in the form of him being on various reality shows, in the form of his documentary on Netflix.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
But in their heads, given their friends, they don't talk like they are. It doesn't sound like they regard themselves that way at all, which is just another interesting thing. Which I think is another reason why we love them is because they have a real strong, like, thread of relatability, despite being also, like, part of the Hollywood elites.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I mean, as well, I don't know if anyone has watched Almost Famous, but their show. You know, like, that show is actually, like, the, you know, that's the whole kind of, like, shtick of it. Okay, let's get into, though, Yolanda Hadid. And he marries Yolanda Hadid in 2011. And this is maybe his most high profile marriage. He became stepfather to Gigi, Bella, and Anwar.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Their lives were thrust into the spotlight when she joined Real Housewives of Beverly Hills a year after they got married in 2012. And he really despised being on the reality TV series. And he said, quote, the Beverly Hills Housewives was just kind of a nightmare for me and something that I really wish I hadn't been a part of.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Which I think goes back to your point about how he became known as Yolanda Hadid's husband. Okay, so while married, Yolanda gets diagnosed with Lyme disease, and this really becomes a huge strain on their marriage. This becomes a huge... plot line in Beverly Hills. And I think I'm going to play a few audio clips of Yolanda talking about it and David talking about it.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And this first one is when he was kind of caught on camera doubting like kind of his relationship and talking about how bad it was. Any Beverly Hills people, you'll remember that Yolanda has like this rooftop party or something and like, you know, the housewives are there to support her. But basically him and his friend sit down and his friend said, how have you been?
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
The friend says, I just wanted to get back to the way they were when you first got together. And David goes, how's that going to happen? And his friend says, it's going to happen. And he just kind of like doesn't know. I think it's obviously kind of a hot mic moment.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
That's, you know, it's not like he says anything crazy negative, but it's just, it's a real snapshot into how he was feeling and how he just like kind of had given up, you know, by that point.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
People are fallible, but I will say there's something about his response that's all about like – it sounds like it's kind of him lamenting the good times being over instead of it like she's really sick or like she's – you know, we're just really hoping she can get better. It's like, oh, this is all about how this – illness has like impacted our fun and like our lifestyle.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
The foster sisters. It's not like he's just behind the scenes with Celine Dion. No, he steps out into the limelight and exposes his personal life. And I feel like it's worth an examination of what, Chandler, what narratives we've been fed and what's really going on behind the scenes. Absolutely.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It sounds like that's the tone. A hundred percent. And that is what I think we see through, you know, how she talks about him and her book and the next clip I'm going to play for you. It is all about how this is actually making David's life worse. It's not about Yolanda being really sick.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
You know, it's worth noting that I don't think that any of the foster sisters believe that she had Lyme disease or
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I don't think that they, yeah. I think it's, that's a little telling with Sarah's quote about it's a lot worse to leave, you know, a woman with three kids than a woman with Lyme disease. Yeah, I don't think they believe her. Let me play this.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Anyway. It's so interesting that they don't think it's real. I don't know.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And I guess that might be some unconfirmed. I'm sure they've never said on their podcast, this is the episode where we don't believe that Yolanda has Lyme disease. But yeah, I don't think they believe her. The only things that I've heard that allude to Yolanda are basically them saying that he's had wives that are much more age appropriate for him that have treated them a lot worse.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And so they're not like they like Catherine. Because at least she's nice to them, essentially. Right. Interesting. A little bit more on the family not believing that Yolanda has Lyme disease. The public thinks that they got divorced, you know, you and me, because he didn't want to deal with her illness. David always says, you know, he says, we did not get a divorce because of her illness.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It's because of another reason that I will never share. Mm-hmm. Which makes me think I was just ruminating on this and like, is that reason that he doesn't even believe her in the first place that she was sick? So of course it's not. It doesn't have to do with her illness. It was another reason entirely different, which is that she was faking her Lyme disease. Yes. Yes. That there was no illness.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
This is a tweet that I think is pretty funny. Not funny, actually. This is a tweet that's pretty dark. I can't stop thinking about how the divorce rate for men leaving their really sick wives is so high that nurses are taught to warn women patients when they get diagnosed with a serious illness. Yeah, gruesome. So I think this Reddit comment is pretty astute.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It says, David likes young, flawless women. Side note, in her book, she talks about how, quote, David liked her really skinny. So sorry, back to this quote. While Yolanda wasn't young, she was dropped at gorgeous fit and catered to his every need. Then she got sick. He completely checked out and didn't want to deal with it. She took out her implants. She was very evidently sickly. He left her.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Now he's with Catherine McPhee, who's like 30 years younger than him. David was always going to David. Her getting sick just sped up the inevitable. Yeah, it's so true. It's honestly so true. There's a TikTok going around, which is a clip of David Foster and Catherine McPhee. They're doing some sort of like, they're at some sort of concert hall doing a singing event or whatever.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And this is recent. And they show her at American Idol doing something. And she kind of makes a reference to her body at that time. She's like, I was a lot chubbier then, or I was chubby then. And David Foster goes, you were fat.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
We met 17, almost 18 years ago when I was a little chubby and tearful contestant on American Idol. Look at me smiling.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And once again, another reason why this isn't a deep dive is because I actually don't care to take you through his professional accomplishments. I'll pass a few notes on those, but this is actually just a deep dive on his crimes against women. And that's it. His accolades and the way he's produced so many amazing stars cannot absolve him of his crimes.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I was a little chubby, okay? True. I was just young.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
He literally says, you were fat. Yes. Yes. I'm going to throw up. I think it really just goes to show the way he views women and the way he thinks it's okay to talk about women. Because if he can say that in front of a crowd about his wife, what does he feel like it's appropriate to say? Oh, absolutely. I mean, oh, that's vile.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Let's get into his relationship with Catherine McPhee because she was giving an interview talking about how they met and, you know, eventually got together. And I think there's some, like, fascinating tidbits in there. Basically, the long story short of it is that he kind of always told her that he was into her. Oh, interesting. And I guess, you know, do you want me to play the audio?
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So just a little, like, blurb. Catherine and David met in 2006 when she was 22 and he was 57. He was literally born the same year as her father. But they didn't get married until 2019. So it's not like they met and then got together immediately after that. It was actually kind of a slow burn.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
But I met him when I was a contestant on American Idol.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, he – that season, I mean, that – I mean, if you remember how massive American Idol was at that point, it was just like – I mean, they gave us our own security.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Pause really quick. You're seeing footage of her in this video, and she is totally normal.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I think that's what people were so enraged about, too, is she looked totally normal.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Our own security guards to go to the malls to hop. Right. Like, every week we would go – and it was so unnecessary, but that's how – important they thought like that the show was and like you know if Steven Spielberg is watching American Idol every week it was pretty important at that time it was pretty major so
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
they had, I say that because they had amazing guests every week, like we had Stevie Wonder and Rod Stewart and Andrea Bocelli and David Foster. And I remember calling my mom and saying, you're never going to believe who's the guest mentors this week. And my mom was a huge Andrea Bocelli fan. And so I grew up like listening to all his music. And, and then I said, the producer, David Foster.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And I was like, I don't know who he is. And she's like,
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Catherine David Foster you know who David Foster is and uh I was like okay so I grew up idolizing Celine and that was one of the many people that he like she was already he'll credit and credit her because he's always good at giving credit where credit's due but he'll he'll say that Celine was already famous in Canada but he brought her he brought her down to America and
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
made her first album with her. And so I was obsessed with Celine, obsessed with her too, but he didn't produce her. And the Whitney Houston bodyguard soundtrack. I mean, he did like everything that I loved. So anyway, that was when I first met him, but of course it wasn't like, I mean, I was very young and we have a huge age difference.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
One of my favorite things about David Foster is... So I listened to World's First Podcast hosted by his daughters, Erin and Sarah, who I really adore. And one of my favorite things that they've ever said is he just... It was so annoying to them and also to him that he so quickly became Yolanda Hadid's husband or Yolanda Foster's husband or Yolanda Foster's ex-husband.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And so I was certainly not, all I was thinking about was the competition and Andre Bocelli and
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
getting through that week but it was really cool because when i came off the show i came in second i didn't win but ice got signed to rca and they had me the the big song that i sang on idol was somewhere over the rainbow that simon picked for me he had like said this is you know this is a song that cat's gonna sing you know and uh so rca had hired david so i remember like getting in my little because i grew up here in la so i had my car here and my mom came to the studio
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And he lived in Malibu at the time, this beautiful property. It was mostly like the house itself, he'll say, like wasn't even that great. But he had this amazing studio with this huge lawn. So it's just like straight out of a movie where I pull up in my little like Honda Civic car. So cheeky. My first little car that I ever had.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It was like a beautiful mansion and had a great session that day and recorded the vocals with him. And I just remember being really, you know, I realize obviously at that point how iconic of a
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
producer he was right and all the amazing accomplishments he had and being there with my mom and doesn't just talking about music and stuff so it was a really special day and then he started taking me on the road like to do a bunch of he's everyone would tell you that he never says no to a charity event right he's like always doing the musical entertainment for a charity event so but then he always needs singers to sing so I started becoming one of many singers that he would take on the
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
so none of that had any romantic notions whatsoever um although he did like you know he did make it known that i was marrying the wrong person um i did get married i got married uh i was almost 24 so i was 23 and so i'd already known him for a couple years now i'd been done a bunch of gigs with him He came to the wedding and played the piano when I sang for my then husband.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
We'll pause right there and we can keep listening. But isn't that crazy? That is crazy. He played the piano at her wedding. Yes. I also want to know. He told her she was marrying the wrong person. Yes. Probably when he's with Linda Thompson at this time.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Or maybe this was Yolanda. Linda Thompson and him, I think were divorced at this time. But yeah, pre-Yolanda. Yeah. So we'll keep listening.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And that situation didn't work out. But it was, you know, I learned a lot. But he was just kind of always this person that I... really felt honored to know and to just, I knew I didn't never had any intentions of him producing an album for me or whatever. I, when I could, music is like a whole other subject I can go into.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I kind of always just in the back of my mind realized I would probably be more of an actor than I would be like a recording artist. And yeah, so we stayed friends and did a lot of gigs together and got to know each other in a lot of different circumstances, but it wasn't until, After I moved back from LA, I went to New York, from New York.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I did Smash for two years, did a TV series on CBS Scorpion for four years. And then it wasn't until like the last two years of Scorpion that we ran into each other in Palm Springs. And I was much more mature. I was 32 years old and we had a lot of red wine. Yeah. That's how it always starts. That's how my babies were made.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
He invited me and my sister who I took her to Palm Springs for a girl weekend to a tennis match because I saw that he was in Palm Springs on his daughter's Instagram. And he said, come to the tennis match. And I was like, okay. And we went and my sister went back to her, our hotel. And he's like, come stay and party with a bunch of friends. It was like tons of people. And we just kept wine.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And it was just a very different night than all previous years. Yeah. Sometimes it is the right person, but the time has to be right too. Yeah. Well, and I'm so, I mean, I've always was crazy about him and not in the same way, obviously that I am, that I could realize that I could be.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Like he was a guy who's the husband of a real housewife that really became how he was known across America. And I just find that to be cosmic justice, you know? Oh, yes. I mean, by a show of hands class, who had heard of David Foster until Yolanda Hadid stepped out into the real housewife scene?
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Uh, and so now of course, I'm always like, I wish I'd been with you like this whole time, whatever, but I would have never worked out. Cause I would have probably been insane and crazy and like, you know, had to go through the young 20 something years. But it's true. It's like amazing that we've known each other as long as we've have. And I'm out of breath.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Let me just say that when you know, you know, but it would take me because I knew him for so long and I loved him and I liked him. And, but I was really freaked out about like the age difference. I was just like, yeah, I mean, I was like, it was, it was just not even like that. I was freaked out. It was just like, Oh, this is just a fun thing.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
There's quite a catalog and we need to resurface some of our best work. We absolutely do. And for the four years we've been doing the show, almost five, we were like, we never don't put out a new episode. And one of the things we've noticed is that barely anyone's listening to podcasts on these weeks. Yeah. It's really not something where like everyone's listening anyway.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Like we've always loved each other, but he, he always kind of, um, not inappropriately, not, not, not, not like when he was in other relationships, but when he wasn't, he always kind of made it known that he had feelings for me or whatever. But I was always like, you're insane. Like, you're too old for me. And, um, and it's just like, you know, now when we're together. It's just as right.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And it's some people are never going to get it and we don't care. We're fine about it. You know, it's just like, he's the best thing that ever happened to me, but he was always the best thing that ever happened to me. Like even when he was just a mentor or someone who gave me privileges of performing and giving me experience or giving me a job. Right. Like it was, he was always special to me.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So this, the fact that we sharing this life together, it's like, I'll still, we'll still be driving the car and I'll like turn to him. And cause I'm like super romantic. I like, and I'll just be like, I can't believe we're together. I can't believe I'm with David Foster.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And he just laughs and, you know, like, I can't believe we're having a baby, you know, it's just like, cause I still can't believe it. It's so cool. I think it's some It's the coolest thing. It's like the greatest honor of my life.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Anyway, thank you for sitting through that because I think it sheds a lot of light. I think the fact that he always made it known that he was into her and wanted her. I don't know. There's a part of me that, of course, wants to just be like, these are consenting adults. Let people be happy. They have a kid together. But there's also a part of me that's just like, what? I mean, here's the thing.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
These are consenting adults. People are allowed to do whatever they want. He grosses me out. The fact that he kind of always was into her and made it known to her. It's literally like someone who's your dad's age, who's like your mentor, who you go on the road with, who you perform with, who you kind of have this working relationship with. It's like the creepy boss.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Yes, who has made it known to you that he's into you. In a position of power. Yeah. you run into him in Palm Springs and then he finally is like, he finally gets you and he's like, come party with us, blah, blah, blah. And then one thing leads to another, which I don't know, maybe I'm looking at this through a really cynical like lens, but it's gross to me. No, it's gross to me too.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
until that golden skinned platinum beauty came across our silver screens who the fuck did we didn't know who david foster was i mean all we knew was we were trying to get like the mom driving us home from school to turn off josh groban that's as close as we came to david foster or the or the sister that you shared a jack and jill bathroom with who loved to sing along to josh groban you love josh groban let's not let's not pretend i guess i shouldn't play it cool
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And I think that's part of the deal, right? Like that's part of the deal of marrying someone in their seventies when you're in your early thirties. Like this is, it's not just for him. It's for like every, the lifestyle he has to offer and all of his accolades and all of that. And the kind of friend group that she runs in and all the stuff she does now.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And yeah, it's just, it's definitely interesting to hear her take. Yeah. I think it was, it was fascinating to hear that he'd always been into her also. Yeah. It's just, I think it is just like the David show and you're, you sign up for that because you want to be a part of it and you want to be on the David show. And, That's not a relationship that I would be interested in.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It's the Chandler show with me. That's not for me, but maybe that is for some people, I guess. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how this one continues for sure. Yeah. Chrissy also put in here the infamous post where he snapped a picture of her in a bikini and was like, what baby? Oh, my gosh. I remember you and I died over.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
He likes him thin. Yeah, he does like him thin. No, I mean, another thing that I just would ask my sister, if you were wanting to get with someone like that, is I would just be like, but don't you look at his past? Do you really want this guy who very clearly seems to be not a great husband, not faithful? Right. Maybe there's a dark part that's like, well, he's probably not going to do that again.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
You know, he's so much older now. Of course. You know, I think they always think that they're the you know, they're the ones to change him. And yeah, and maybe he is getting to the point where he's too old to to still be going and chasing the greener grass. Who knows? I do think it's nice that there's a good relationship between her and the kids.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I think it's like Sarah and Aaron seem to be very like adoring of her and they have to seem to have a great relationship, which I think speaks to the work that they've all done on their relationship and, you know, on themselves.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Like, I'm glad that their family is somewhat intact and that they, you know, through all of this crazy trauma and honestly his terrible actions, you know, that they're somewhat of a tight knit family still. Honestly, I just really want to get to the bottom to what these women know about Yolanda Foster that we don't know.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I like that this episode is really just becoming about Yolanda, but I genuinely just want to know what this group of girls know about the Hadids and Yolanda Foster that we do not know.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Right. I know. If she really was faking Lyme disease, how did her kids have it too? I need someone with insider tea to be DMing us more information because I don't believe she's faking it. I don't believe she's faking it either.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I also think that Lyme disease is just one of these things that's like very – something that they don't really have a cure for and so they don't – Western doctors don't really help much with it and so people who suffer from it, it seems like, yeah, they have to get unconventional treatment and they – yeah. Yeah.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I think too, the symptoms are very perplexing, you know, and they're like, they've run the full gamut of physical symptoms to mental symptoms. Like it's just, I think it's a really complicated chronic illness. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, thank you for, you know, your time and your civil service being a part of the trial of David Foster. I can't wait to see what verdict you all render.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Yes, what verdict our listeners render. This was, Chandler, the deep dive, the walkthrough I really needed of David Foster and the women and children he left for other women. And so thank you so much for leading us through it. So interesting. Really quick, Ben had to print this off at his office.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And I do wonder if anyone at his office saw the deep dive entitled David Foster is the worst and the 10 pages of notes on it. Just like the 10 pages of people article, you know, excerpts about David Foster at the Kind Bar Company where Ben works. So funny. Okay. Well, we need to Amazon you a printer, first of all. We do. Second of all, Chandler, thank you so much for this deep dive, you guys.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Let us know your verdict on David Foster. We'll be back on Friday on Patreon. And we'll see you then. Bye. See you then. Bye. Love you. Bye.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
You know, there was a time, Chandler, when Josh Groban gave me some stirrings, okay? You raised me up. I felt the spirit. Or was he your sexual awakening? Yeah. You know what? There was a time, Chandler, when I would think there were stirrings all across my body.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Listening to Josh Groban is true. Yes. Literally, I think I only knew about Josh Groban because you love Josh Groban. I think that's really sweet about you. I think, you know, always had a taste for really like annoying stuff like that. The thing is, is I think 12, 13, yes, I had a moment with Josh Groban, but then I quickly came to realize that Josh Groban was popular. Opera, pop.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It wasn't highbrow. We weren't listening to arias. It was lowbrow, highbrow. Yeah, exactly. It was lowbrow, highbrow. I very quickly did away with the Josh Groban, my personal Spotify catalog. Well, thank goodness because it's really proved to help you succeed and get to be the podcaster that you are today. Thank goodness you've only stuck to highbrow stuff since then.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Yeah, it's so true, honestly. Thank you, Chandler, for pointing that out. In my research and thinking about what I wanted to say today, I realized that if the stars ever align and our podcast ever gets up off the ground, we're never going to be able to go on the world's first podcast because we will have done a trial and execution of their father.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So the thing is, by the time, if that happens ever, by the time that happens and we do our big crossover, this episode will be deleted forever. Any negative mention of David Foster will be deleted. We will maybe do a David Foster appreciation episode. We will be like, we love Catherine McPhee's music. We're obsessed with Catherine McPhee.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Let's walk everyone through the catalog, okay, from Andrea Bocelli to Celine Dion. We're doing a deep dive of the American Idol season with Catherine McPhee. Exactly. We just can't get enough. The crowning achievements of, you know, one of the greatest contributors to American music, David Foster, who happens to be married to Yolanda Foster.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Before we have to put on that kind of bullshit show, we can tell the truth, Chandler, on this podcast. Yeah. At least being small means that we can be truth tellers. So let's get into it. I'm going to start with just a little quick bio about who David Foster is, you know, his early life. But it's not super critical. David Foster was born in November in Canada. Did you know he was Canadian?
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And so everyone's just with their families enjoying the holidays. We're just going to give ourselves the grace to do that as well. We back next week with a brand new, fresh, free episode of Pop Apologists. There will always be an episode on our premium content. If you are dying for our fresh takes. We are chatting all about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Orange County.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I did know he was Canadian. I did not know that he was a fall baby. Beautiful. Yeah. Fall baby, Lauren. He's won 16 Grammy Awards and had 47 nominations. That's quite a lot. Yeah, it is. For sure. I can recognize that. But he then moved on to being a composer and producer, and he has nearly 100 hit singles, which- Wow. Also, I can understand that. I can recognize that.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I was like, who is Andrea Bocelli? Sorry. Andrea? Andrea? Andrea Bocelli.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Andrea Andrea Bocelli anyway he's not singing at my wedding I don't give a fuck how his name is Josh Groban like we you know waxed on about earlier Tony Braxton Madonna Jennifer Lopez Mary J Blige Christina Aguilera Kenny Rogers Kenny Loggins Kenny G and Michael Lou Blais um who Lauren likes to listen to while she's you know having romantic encounters with her husband Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
We pour some bubbly, we put on a boob leg, and Kagan knows what time it is. Exactly. Anyway. Do you have a live cam into my bedroom?
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I do, actually. I've got a ring camera positioned there. Another big fact about him, and I think this is worth noting because we are truth tellers, his estimated worth is $150 million. Wow. I can see why the panties started dropping for sure. Okay, Lauren. So he has been married five times and is truly at the head of a crazy Hollywood family tree.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Like he is connected to through his different marriages and through the children of those marriages and who they've married and blah, blah, blah. He is in a massive family, Hollywood family tree. And it's pretty fascinating. And we'll probably post an image of this with like our teaser video or whatever, but because it's worth noting. Or is he the father of the family tree? He is like this.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
He has spawned a lineage of Nepo babies. Oh, that's right. Because I don't think he came from, you know, I think he came from humble backgrounds.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And the other interesting thing is that David has all sisters, which I think was another sort of head scratcher, because I think one would think that if you have all sisters and that, you know, you potentially grow up around women. hopefully know how to treat women well. You might respect them. You might respect them. One might think. Let's start by just talking about his children.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So he has six children, all right? Okay. Allison Jones, who he had when he was in his 20s, she was placed for adoption. Amy Foster, who was from his first marriage to BJ Cook, which we'll get into. Amy is a successful songwriter. She wrote Haven't Met You Yet and Home by Michael Buble, as well as songs for Destiny's Child, Josh Groban, and Andrea Bocelli. Impressive. Love it. Thank you.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I said it right. And then he has Sarah, who we know, who is the daughter of Rebecca Dyer, wife number two, Erin as well. Rebecca Dyer is her mom and Jordan, who's also the... Jordy Foss. Yeah. And then there's Ren, whose mom is Catherine McPhee.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
okay okay so those are his biological those are his biological children yes oh right right right okay okay so and the stepchildren are brandon and brody jenner from when he was married to linda thompson and also the hadid children uh gg bella and anwar when he was married to the supermodel anwar hadid Are we calling him a supermodel? That was the joke.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Donna Kelsey starring in not one, but two Hallmark movies. Ballerina Farm inviting the New York Times into her home. I mean, to be honest, the premium episode this week is very charged. We have a lot to say. So if you are dying for more content, it's always there. Enjoy this episode that we're bringing back from the archives. Yes. Love you guys. Love you.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I was like, let's let me do the truth telling, okay? Remember how Yolanda was trying to say that like Anwar was a major supermodel or just kind of was like also trying to get his modeling career off the ground? Look, that man has got enough going on with his anti-vax bullshit. It was a valiant effort by a mom that was seeing the best in her son. Anyway, please continue. Okay, so let's continue.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
So I think we should mention that David is very open about the failings of his marriages. And he... He has described himself as a quote unquote runner in the documentary. Yeah. He's admitted that he's out the door as soon as problems arise in his relationships. He said, quote, it's more like, Hey, there's a shiny thing over there. This is not working. So it looks a lot better to me over there.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
End quote. Oh my gosh. I mean, it sounds like this guy just likes to have weddings and likes romance.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
He actually has zero interest sticking with someone during the hard times. I mean, saying that when things get tough, you're gone, that's insane. That's an insane thing to say. That's like the opposite of marriage. Well, and I think what is gross about that admission, it's like maybe you could disguise it as, oh, he's self-aware. He gets it. He knows he has problems.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
But I think when you see that someone is now in their 70s and this is just like who they're he seems to be at peace with the fact that he's a runner, I suppose. And when asked about his marriage to Catherine McPhee and if he was tired of running, he said, I'm not tired of running. No, no. But I'm very happy where I am. Yeah, I think Catherine McPhee is kind of like the Robin to Cody, okay?
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Yes, yes. Who kind of came at the tail end and who does everything in her power to make his life perfect. And as long as she doesn't like fall ill and no calamity, you know, no calamity befalls them, then I think that... They'll proceed. Catherine McPhee needs to be dousing herself in bug spray every single day because I swear to God, if a tick lands on her and gives her Lyme disease, it's gone.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
What I think, though, this actually should be a public warning to her. Please be dousing yourself in off or whatever bug spray.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
They should do a sponsorship for her. She should be a sponsor for bug spray. Shoot, really? It's like my financial future depends on me using this bug spray and not getting Lyme disease, everyone. And so far it's worked. I'm in brilliant health. I can still dress up and go to all the parties and events. I'm not having to go to doctor's appointments.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
I still can go on all the vacations as a smiling trophy wife. You guys, DEET has really worked for me. So please use my code 10%OFF. Catherine McHugh really should be the spokesperson.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
There's a brand sponsorship that's so perfect. Sorry, I know I'm interrupting a lot, but do you remember that from Yolanda's memoir that she was saying the second she couldn't be the smiling trophy wife at all the events, he basically just left her in the dust.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
There's a TikTok going around which is a clip of David Foster and Catherine McPhee. They're at some sort of concert hall doing a singing event or whatever and they show her at American Idol and she kind of like makes a reference to her body at that time. She's like, I was a lot chubbier then or I was chubby then and David Foster goes, you were fat. He literally says, you were fat. Yes, yes.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
We will get to that because her book, believe me, I just remember reading it on a plane being torn to pieces by her story and mostly by David Foster's treatment of her. I think if people have thought they felt the spirit reading the Book of Mormon, they should really try reading Believe Me.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Or if you think Josh Groban has done it for you. Yeah. I mean, read Believe Me. The lessons this woman has to impart. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. What I want to say, though, is to just double click on what you just said about, you know, what Yolanda wrote about in her book. I think it is less that he is a runner. I think it is more that the minute that he is no longer treated like a king.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And like you're saying, the minute that he is no longer like the home situation is not perfect and he is not the king of the house who is just catered to by his wife. it's no longer working for him. He does not view monogamy as like, as thick and thin, good times and bad times, richer or poorer.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
It is how, if I'm not King David, you know, being served lemon chicken, then this is no longer working for me. Well, there's that famous scene in Beverly Hills where Yolanda's like, David is a King in my house.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And they show her making dinner. And she makes almost, I think, two of things in case one thing doesn't go well. Everything has to be perfect for David. And she's in lingerie cooking. Yeah. I mean, yeah. A lot of other women corroborate this tale. So let's get into it. His first marriage, marriage number one, was to musician BJ Cook. She was his bandmate in Skylark, your favorite band.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And both David and BJ had already had one daughter each. If you'll remember, he had Allison Foster from a previous relationship. And together they had Amy. And Amy is the one who has written those Michael Buble songs. They were together for a long time until he split with her.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
And there does seem to be some overlap with his relationship with Rebecca Dyer, who is the mother of Sarah, Jordan, and Aaron. For example, Sarah was born in 1981, and they didn't officially split up, him and BJ, until 1981. Some overlap. Oh, wow. To create a baby. That's a little bit of a conflict. So Rebecca was potentially the other woman for his first marriage.
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
Or definitely was. Yeah. That's so interesting. Obviously, I haven't heard the girls talk about that on the pod. I hear a lot about Rebecca. Rebecca just seems fantastic. She seems fantastic. Yeah. One thing that I love about Rebecca, she talks a lot about how plant medicine has completely –
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Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers
changed her life really sarah foster is like very anti doing any sort of drugs is like so barely drinks is very straight-laced so she just kind of said that like growing up around all these like rich kids who were doing all these doing stuff it was just so unattractive to her and she didn't want to be like that and so she never she barely drank ever anyway didn't party so she said it was like so jarring and alarming to her when her mom was suddenly like in her 60s
Pop Apologists
262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
You guys, this episode is so fun. We have the one and only Kate Kennedy from the Be There in 5 pod. And we just, we get into all of our favorite things, I would say. We get into all of our favorite things. We talk about the latest with Lake and Justin, of course, something, you know, Lauren and I have to get into. We also talk about Meghan Markle and As Ever. This is a quintessential podcast.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Go women. Go women. Okay. We need to get back to Jake and Bluston. I got you guys off topic. No, no, you're good. No, no, it's great. Also, yeah. I have more to say on Nara and I'm controlling myself to get back to Blake and Justin because I want to also get into the Hollywood Reporter article. What were you going to say? Can we close the loop fully on Jenny Slate's complaint?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Sanctity and motherhood. And do we have any more details about what that conversation? Yeah. No, we have no more details, but I'm going to read part of this article, which I think will elucidate that conversation. Okay. OK, so the entire article in The Hollywood Reporter that just dropped. Did you guys see the illustration? It was of like Blake using a phone as a slingshot towards Justin Baldoni.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And her team has like already released a statement that she's like enraged over this, which she calls a sexist cover that is just like promoting all these false images about women that are super damaging, especially women who come forward against perpetrators of sexual harassment or assault. So that is what Blake has to say about this article.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
In terms of the actual content, it's really focused on the Baha'i faith and how the Baha'i faith was potentially what unwittingly had Jamie and Justin kind of creeping people out. Interesting. Yeah. So here is what it reads. I'm just going to read some of it.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
So it says over the past several weeks, Hollywood Reporter has interviewed multiple friends and former colleagues of Baldoni along with members of the Baha'i community to piece together if and how this religion might have inadvertently contributed to this situation.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Baldoni has made no secret about his devotion to the Baha'i faith, which is based on notions of humanity, universalism, and gender equality. What's also clear from talking to people in his orbit is that Baldoni has his own unique way of communicating and behaving. much of it informed by the tenor of his religion.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
His unique mannerisms have at times come into conflict with Hollywood's current ethos, which in the wake of hashtag Me Too and Black Lives Matter movements and the COVID pandemic has become far more rigid, uniform, and structured, uniform, and policed.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
A source who worked on It Ends With Us said, "'The Justin that I know isn't capable of doing the things that he's being accused of because he truly sees himself as this feminist, but Blake clearly got grossed out. I honestly feel like it was the perfect storm of two opposing personalities.'"
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
When Baldoni and Wayfair executives hold meetings, they often start by asking participants to go around the table and share something private, something that brings them, quote, joy. And that has nothing to do with their jobs or their career. That is giving like NXIVM to me.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
So it says in certain professional circles, like say those of a yoga instructor or doulas, this type of icebreaker might be welcomed. But among time crunched agents, entertainment lawyers and studio executives, folks not exactly known for their touchy feely ways, a gesture of this nature comes with risks.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
In my head, this is a female executive giving a quote at a production company that worked with them. She says, in my head, I was like, I'm sorry, are we at Cafe Fucking Gratitude? Why are you imposing your culture on this meeting that's being held at our offices?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
What's going to come out of your—what? Are you going to make a sentence? No, no, no. I'm ready. I'm soaking it up. This is you. That's your facial expression. You know what, honestly, and sometimes when you start talking, that is what I'm feeling inside.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Well, and if you saw the text from Justin to Blake, it was one of the texts in the complaint. He said, like, we live up in Ojai. We have a very tight circle. We basically, like, never leave our community. So I think it's something where they don't realize how weird their stuff comes across to other people because they're just so mired in it where they live. I completely agree.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I think also then if you combine that mentality with working on a film about subject matter that's very heavy, where you all of a sudden feel like you have this righteous cause, you then feel even more emboldened to overlay your faith and whatever your belief system and to infuse it into the entire production.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
If you're not a religious person, you would feel uncomfortable maybe participating in it. Well, so someone that worked on the set of Five Feet Apart, which is another movie he directed, said that he talked about his religion a lot. It has shades of Scientology, but with less prominence and people hovering all the time. And another source who worked on that film said,
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And it probably wouldn't be an issue if it was a female director because of the preconceived notions of gender. But if you get a bunch of teamsters together who are told that they should share their feelings, of course, someone is going to ask, why is he such a freak? But Justin genuinely believes that if we do this, we'll work better as a group. There's a little bit of arrogance to it.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
It's like he doesn't want to acknowledge the world that we live in.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
For sure. And especially when you hear in the context of they're really getting so mushy gushy into their feelings and asking like invasive questions about and wanting to talk about the sanctity of your motherhood when you were just talking about like your, you know, residence situation or where you're staying.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I think that you can understand how all of a sudden it just would have started to feel just very like, I'm thinking invasive kind of, I feel like I've said that word too much, but just very like inappropriate, inappropriate in a professional setting. Like I actually don't want to talk about something private that has nothing to do with my job that like brings me joy.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
It feels like you're asking me for like private information for some sort of like a weird leverage, you know?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and, like, my lip flip's not going to let me get too expressive, but... Okay. Please, Lauren, continue. I'm going to... New expression. Chandler is supporting me from across the room with a gorgeous grin. And we need to get into a little State of the Union on Blake and Justin. Everyone on this earth knows, of course, that we're doing our big, you know, multi-part series.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Well, I mean, think about it this way. What if she was a man who came with the same complaint or same issue that she needed to or that he needed to move? And they were like, yes, the sanctity of fatherhood or the sanctity of being a husband must be upheld. And it's like, well, I'm actually just an act and hired actor.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I don't need to get into your notions of my domestic role and like how I should be fulfilling that. Maybe there was some element of mom shaming in that where it's like, you know, like it's your duty as a mother.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Like I can see how that's almost that's just very unprofessional, you know? Yeah. And I think like all of this is true and correct, like both of your takes. But what I keep coming back to is like, but was there sexual harassment? Was there harassment? Right.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And that is where we read that alleged complaint that was leaked last week where very like overt actions were described and allegedly Justin putting his hands on one of the female actors. But while he was trying to read that. Her posture. And we don't know if this is true. This is a leaked document, and it could just be BS. It could just be BS.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And so anyway, we read that last week, and we were just like, that to me, that's not in the gray, you know, of course. Obviously, yeah. And so anyway, I like, if that's not true, then like, was there true harassment? Or was it an uncomfortable working environment because these guys are woo-woo? And you were just like, let's just keep it professional.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Leave your religious beliefs at the door, you know, or whatever. That's where I continue to struggle with Blake's side of things. OK, so listen to this little detail. It says on the first day of filming, several members of the crew participated in a Baha'i prayer. Other sources report that Baldoni frequently would, quote, ask God for guidance before making big creative decisions on the film.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Like in front of everybody? Yes, I guess. He did need help given her outfit.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
This is my huge problem with that entire, with her amended complaint, is that like, Unfortunately, you know, Justin gave us full screenshots and she just gave us like quotes from text messages from what she sent and like what other people sent. And it just it did still feel cherry picked.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah, both sides do. Both sides do. It's shocking. Like, I think one of the quote texts that was in her amended complaint said something about, like, I think it was about, you know, after they'd agreed to the list of, like, demands or whatever, when they went back to filming, it was like, it's all right. You never have to hug him or something. Like, he won't touch you. Yes.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And that to me, that's pretty damning. That's pretty indicative of a type of work environment where you don't feel safe as a woman or you feel like there's been harassment. But I also am just like, OK, so what else happened? Or can you share who that was with or why? Honestly, I want to know the text before that and the text after that.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Right now we're at part seven. And we got in trouble. Someone says, I have unsubscribed as a subscriber. You have lost me because you did not address Jenny Slate with her complaint, her HR complaint. Yes. Didn't we, though? Well, we did. So we had to cut it from the episode because we didn't actually get to the heart of the issue. Well, that'll happen sometimes. We were on a time crunch.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I think when we were first reading through his complaint, we had a very ungenerous interpretation of that. We thought maybe she just wanted control over her image to the extent of even like the other cast member cast as the young version of her. But it makes more sense.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I think it's less of a reach to say, no, this was her way of protecting that cast member and her way of having some sort of oversight over Isabel's participation and the scenes. The hard part with all this, and I know we should probably move on to another subject because now we're recording part eight. But with this young actress, actor, are you supposed to say actor or actress? I never know.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Is it like actors more like PC? Like server way. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Like actresses. I think actresses. I think to me, just one back best actress. Yeah. Okay. So you're saying comedian. Yeah. Don't worry Chandler. You can speak freely here. So, but with Isabella, she sent a text to Justin after production, which was in his complaint or his lawsuit that said like all of these nice things.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And then one of the sentences literally said, thank you for making it such a comfortable production. And I just fundamentally think you would not have used that word if you felt like this guy was creepy. Yeah. Maybe you needed to kiss his ass. You needed to send a text thanking him for being a director or whatever.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I just do not think he would have used the word comfortable as a woman if you really felt like this guy was a creep. That's why this case is endlessly interesting is because there's just little nuggets that, you know, support each side. I would say most nuggets support Justin's side. And unfortunately, Blake seems to continue to not present actual evidence. And it's just a lot of hearsay.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And it's a lot of, well, I texted this person, but I'm not going to actually give you the screenshot. Like you said, Kate, this is in writing, but you can't see the primary text. I'm just going to summarize it. Some pieces of communications that hopefully we will see and is being theorized, we will see are subpoenaed text messages between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift. No way. Oh, yeah.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
They are going after her messages with Taylor Swift. Damn. Because she's going after every single phone call. She wants the call logs. She wants his text messages. She wants everything for the past, like, three years from him. Two or three years. And what I've seen is that his attorney is now saying, well, we want all of your communications with Taylor Swift.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
That could have anything to do with this. So can you imagine if we get the text, like, first Super Bowl that Taylor went to and Blake's like, I think I'm going to wear this track suit and do my hair really big. Yeah. I was like, what if you wear 40 bracelets on each arm?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
you know it's really scary actually as a wake-up call scary i actually just had no idea so like now i'm just it's gonna sound like an idiot but can they just go delete them like how does this work yeah like when you were at sally's house and looking up like texting i'm outside the door can you delete no 100 can there be some revisionist history or is that something you go to jail for i mean i literally didn't get justice i think unless you were on like maybe an encrypted i actually don't even know i i don't know maybe whatsapp is the
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
WhatsApp is like encrypted. It would be very hard for me to imagine that these celebrities aren't all on some sort of like encrypted auto delete. Well, but what's interesting is I think a lot of them are like iOS messages, like the iOS screenshots, not like WhatsApp. Anyway, or maybe they are. And I actually I'm totally out of my depth here.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
But I would believe that you can literally subpoena like messages from especially from Apple.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yes. I mean, I think it's very clear. Taylor has not been seen with Blake. Which to me is another indicator for Justin's side of this because I do think if Taylor really felt like Blake was in the right, fully in the right, I think she would like... Mm-hmm. I think Taylor has obviously just has so much power in the media.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
So anyway, we're going to get to it now. So we're just going to tie up a few loose ends, discuss the Hollywood Reporter article. This is not going to be another Justin and Blake episode, but I feel like we just need to make sure we're current on this topic so we don't lose any more subscribers.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I think it is absolutely a sign that she is not doing anything to like help Blake in terms of just some PR walks or pap walks. No, I mean, I also think that if Blake was genuinely sexually harassed and Taylor knew it, Taylor, there's just no way in hell Taylor would be like, all right, well, I'm going to leave you out to dry. Like, I'm just going to not show any allegiance towards you.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I'm going to have articles coming out that I'm backing away from the friendship. I almost feel like Taylor would like literally double down. She would post on Instagram herself to make it so clear that she's like, On Team Blake. Especially when all those other celebrities did, too. And when Blake's stuff first came out, like, so many celebrities were, like, reposting it, like, so brave.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Just celebrities across, like, the gamut. Gwyneth, it is fishy that we are not hearing Taylor. Kate is joining us on the podcast.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Pop Apologist podcast. We get into the Pookinator. We get into Ballerina Farm. We get into Nora Smith. Just so many of the women who live rent-free in our brains full time. So it's such a fun episode. And Kate just has so many interesting thoughts. I love listening to her talk because she's clearly, you know, she's working at a higher level sometimes. And she has a lot to teach me.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Jenny Slate filed an HR complaint and she said that she basically needed to move apartments and she didn't want to because she was going to lose the $15,000 security department deposit. And Jamie Heath wrote back and was like, don't worry, we'll take care of it. That's what we said on the pod. It was an apartment issue. We didn't get to.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah. I mean, it's like never too late to start caring about this stuff. I think that's what I wish is I just wish she would show she cares. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm so curious for your like, what were your quick thoughts about the SNL appearance from them? And then also the Dragons text because you're like, yeah, because you're a Taylor person.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah. I think it was like a good thing for them to go. Yeah. Show that they're not, you know, shunned in those circles. Yeah. The making a joke of it, which just felt off tonally.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
He's in on it. I think it was. I think he had no idea. He had no clue. Also, his whatever tanning and like tone is his tan was really weird. And I feel like he was getting some type of blonde toning to his hair. That was really bad. Anyway, the notes for his hair colorist. And we talk a lot about him on the pod. Okay. Another woman who, you know, captivates us.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
With everything she does on this earth. One Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle. We need to discuss as ever. We need to discuss with love, Meghan. I mean, you wrote in the outline you sent me for some topics that you could talk about Meghan Markle forever. Likewise. I could think about her forever. She lives around free in my brain 24-7.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
So what her complaint was is that because she's not complaining that they're going to give her more money. She complained because she said that the reason why is because Jamie Heath went into some long soliloquy about the sanctity of motherhood. And that is why Wayfarer would be happy to like make sure she was in a space that was like what she wanted.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Oh, the aesthetic is wedding photography. I don't know if you guys have picked up on that, but it's fully like a wedding photography vibe and aesthetic, like the mood board or her bulletin board. Yeah. Even just like this photography style and just the entire brand, I think, is going to be this like they call it fine art film photography.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And it's with a specific kind of camera with a specific type of film. Like high res. It's well, it's Contax 645 with actually a very wide aperture. So it's very would be proud. It's very blurry and very pastel tones. Yeah. And anyway, if you look up fine art film photography, you'll see the exact same brand.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And it's actually like some of the most talented people in that field live in Santa Barbara. So I can understand how she was influenced. But I think that that aesthetic actually just perfectly encapsulates what people find disingenuous about Megan, which is that she's so curated. Everything is always so perfect that it comes across as disingenuous. And like you don't know the real her.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
That's what Bethany Frankel, she weighed in, of course. at 2 a.m., you know, from bed. And she said that Meghan has an authenticity problem. People don't know. They don't know what her real identity is. They don't know who she is. And it seems to me like this is a continuation of that, like this brand. I feel like even just seeing the rollout and I want to like her. Literally, I want to like her.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I read Finding Freedom. I had as my Instagram bio that I was Meghan Markle's defense attorney for like a long time. So I want to like her. But it's just like, give me a little something. Like, I am not looking for videos of your landscaping. No more roses. The stray child's hand in the grass. It's just like, can I have a sultry selfie? Can I have like an edgy, blingy moment with a glass of wine?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I don't know. Like, why is it all so G-rated?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I think what we're missing with Megan is a critical understanding of like what she's truly good at and interested in. Because I think like, okay, like I'm here for the curated content. If I feel like you actually are an amazing chef or if you're any of these things, but she just, to me, I'm like, Jam. Can you like jam?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Living in beautiful homes, which doesn't necessarily make you an by default interesting person. Yes. You know, and so I'm just missing like where does Megan plug into one of these things in a way that's like innate to her more than just being a beautiful person with, you know, expensive taste and, you know, wanting to curate that. But what I will say is I do think.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And this to her felt very like creepy and invasive the way he talked about, quote, the sanctity of motherhood. That was what we were apparently. Hiding. That is what we did not fully cover. I thought it was going to be like the apartment was like too close to where Jamie Heath was staying and she felt creeped out by him. No, but I think. What do you make of this?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
her video announcing as ever was her attempt at being less curated. Yes. Yeah. And I think it was, I think to me that was like, okay, she's listening. Thank you for listening. We, and I, I think that compared to even just like the Netflix trailer for, um, with love, I think it was like, it was dressed down and I totally appreciated that.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
One other thing to your point about why is she always so G rated? I believe, I believe she's a G rated person to begin with. I don't think she's as crass as you and I are. Didn't they watch a Disney movie and Yeah, she's always been earnest and kind of more PG of a girl, which is great. It's very becoming, not unbecoming. As our dad would say. As our dad would, parents would say.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I think too, she is still married to a prince. And I do think that when you sign up for that, you do take on a level of like, okay, I probably can't say the C word on my podcast. You know, like I just I think there's a mantle of decorum that is placed on you that I think she has to carry forward. Heavy is the crown. Heavy is the fucking crown. As Lisa Vanderpump would say.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I don't know if you've gone through like the archives of the Tig, but like.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah. I mean, also, I feel like we don't know what's coming. There could be something different in the Netflix series. Like she could be a little bit more on guard and maybe she's not going to try to present herself as this like expert homemaker. Maybe she's going to be like, I've always wanted to live in a house like this. I've always wanted to be able to like have these moments.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I brought in bringing in expert friends to like show me like I feel like, you know, we just recorded an episode with the designer helped me with the space in Brooklyn. And I did not come into that
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
recording like I had an exact vision for what I wanted brought to life like I was like no I honestly feel like very unsure of myself and my decisions I needed an expert and hopefully Megan took you know had a similar approach where if she's not a subject matter expert there is a like realness to it and it's not like oh I'm an amazing chef watch me you know make ice cubes with flowers in them
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah, that's a great point.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I think then we're going to get into it a little bit more. But I think that Justin and Jamie are clearly part of this Baha'i faith. Mm hmm. I think that they're a little bit high on their own supply, their own spiritual supply. They're very hippy dippy. And I think they speak in a language that other people find very off-putting and invasive.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yes. And I thought that was interesting. Well, it makes sense, right? Like, if she's going to be using this show to promote a bunch of products, it's like Netflix wants the Bravo Bethany Claus.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Because she already had used with love, Megan.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
michael allen arrow american the hardest r name of all time yeah the trademark got declined in august yeah so i assume the pivot was sometime around then right right um but and the show wasn't announced it so it could have been as ever megan i don't really know i just think it's a little confusing i just one thing with her there's so many announcements of names and there's just so few products or episodes or whatever that like i'm ready to lock in on some names and to just be like present for like the name and not for the execution i
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I'm ready for the execution. I feel like we've been in the mood boarding name.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Literally name, you know, ideation stage for years. Chandler and I love to bemoan the fact that like Nepo babies and people like in Meghan Markle's position, they think like going to work means like sitting down with like.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
basically a team that's been paid a lot of money to make like really expensive power points for you and you're like dreaming your vision and i feel like she's just been at that stage like that's what they consider work it's like going to meetings where like they're the star and like they're being presented a bunch of like ideas by like really underpaid creators so what we kind of heard though and that what was the i can't remember the publication that article we just read about yes about the two of them vanity fair article where it was like they basically don't
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
necessarily come to the table with the best of ideas. And it's kind of hard to get them to like move into the execution stage and to commit to it. I did read that. They want to walk it back because they get all afraid when it actually comes to doing it. Exactly.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I will say when it comes to the Vanity Fair article, I felt like it was a real corroboration for the rumors that are like when the palace said we're investigating her bullying. That to me, I thought was like a smear campaign. I was like, this is fictitious. Like this is fiction. This is them thinking she just has this very abrupt work ethic and this.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
whatever she's like getting in trouble because she wants to hit the ground running and is a little aggressive i honestly can relate but i feel like when vanity fair put out their article and they had quotes from people at spotify i mean i actually have it on this outline so one of the quotes from the article is it said the source who worked in media projects says megan's own relationships with employees tended to follow a familiar pattern should be warm and effusive at the beginning and gendering an atmosphere of professional camaraderie
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And it's almost like they have been too embroiled in their own community to not realize, like, this is weird for other people.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
When something went poorly, often due to Meghan and Harry's own demands, such as a teaser for archetypes being released five months before the show premiered and before there was any tape to promote, Meghan would become cold and withholding toward the person she perceived to be responsible.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
The source says it was, quote, really, really, really awful, very painful because she's constantly playing checkers. I'm not even going to say chess, but she's just very aware of where everybody is on her board. And when you're not in, you're to be thrown to the wolves at any moment. In practice, they say that manifested as, quote, undermining. It's talking behind your back.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
It's gnawing at your sense of self. Really, really like mean girls teenager. And so there's a part of me that, yeah, I don't want to believe this is true about her, but it's like when there's enough smoke, there is a fire. I just have to say, I work still at a professional in a professional corporate job. I cannot imagine having a boss like that or anyone who I work with.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I mean, I guess she's a celebrity, too. So maybe she gets like a pass for some things. You know, people, whatever, will put up with it. But like, I cannot imagine like that type of undermining mean girl behavior from someone who I'm working for. Like I... Yeah. Especially if it's like a celebrity and holds all the power. Exactly. And who you want to like you.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Also, the guy who dropped that they were doing this bullying investigation, who gave the quote, he has just released a new quote saying that he and he actually helped them plan their wedding. And he called it a magical experience, that portion. The guy who's like, was it the palace investigator on his behalf? Yeah.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
It says former royal aide who accused Meghan Markle of bullying, quote, has no regrets. And he has given a quote that he did this interview with, I think it's 16 Minutes Australia, but he was like, I have no regrets for how I handled that. Like there was investigations essentially.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I'm laughing a little bit because I'm thinking about like, I don't know, M16, like investigating the bullying, like Meghan Markle.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I think that is like the biggest litmus test for any celebrity. It's like, are there friends? Are there staff? Like people who have been there for eons. Forever. That's for everything. Like anyone, if you can retain people that work for you, that just goes to show like people enjoy working for you. They want to work with you. That says a lot.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And especially because a lot of times like it's how you treat your employees, people who you have power over, you know. Yeah.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. OK, let's move on from Meghan to another brunette. Captivating woman. For me, in my heart. At first, I was not a fan, but I am now probably her biggest fan. The Pookinator, one and only Campbell Puckett. Okay, I love the Pookie, but I always need people's thoughts on Pookie. Pookie's staying power.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
For sure. Well, I think what's interesting is I think Jet is low key the star of that account. She's obviously stunning and has really cute outfits and does a great job in her role. But he's what's really the people are there for because he's doing all the over the top performance. And if you notice in their ads, he's always in the ads.
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You can tell the advertisers are like they have said this, like when he started being in her content and on video, that's just when and that's like what it became. Yeah. So even though it's like branded as her, it's really kind of him. Interestingly. For me with Pookie, I think Pookie seems genuinely happy. Yeah. And she seems just like sweet and happy.
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And I don't think there's any like blink twice, you know, if you're miserable, Pookie. Right. I think where I get icked out is with Jet's performance and with his over the top thing, which I get is maybe now comedy and people love that. But I am just imagining in my own relationship, if...
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Ben, literally, the camera goes out and he's like, and that's the only time where he's maybe telling me that I look absolutely fire. I mean, maybe he's telling it to her in other times, but I think I would start to just like, wait, do you actually mean this? Or are you just trying to capture some content? It's real.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And that's where, it could be coming from a real place, but I think that's when I would just like, I don't know, it just loses some of its luster, frankly. He walked up to her at the bar when they met. I know like everything about them. And he said, like, you're the most beautiful girl in the world. He said she looked just like a princess. And that's what he was.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I like my husband was like the hottest thing to him was a princess.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
No, as someone who has tried to film some day in the life content, you know, to feed the machine and not really been able to successfully capture anything, like I would like to know how they do it because it just, it does also boggle my mind for that exact same reason of like the waking up shot is really crazy to me.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
My favorite is either a couple so in love together and they're having a romantic moment and it's like, can't believe I met the man of my dreams or whatever. So they set up the tripod for that romantic moment. Or the couple and she's crying in his arms. And they're filming it. Yeah, and they're filming it. It's like, he holds space for me or whatever. And it's just like, oh my gosh. Yeah.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
This conversation has been harmful for me because I feel like it's unlocked something for me, which is a lot of his love for her is based on her physicality. Not her mind. Not her mind. He always talks about how he loves that she looks like a princess. And maybe there's something that's not good about that.
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Are you 100% sure on that? Only because— Yes. Let me. OK, you are because I read that they were about abolishing the priesthood and gender equality.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I think if Ben told me that I looked like a princess repeatedly, I would be breaking off my agent. He says that on every video. Yeah. Basically. It's weird. In my house. Once again, if that is your man's like fantasy, that is gross to me. That is like that is a turn off.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And he's like there is like a Gaston to him. Yeah.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Totally. Well, this has been this recording. Wait, last. I have to say one more thing. I don't want you guys to keep talking. The shopping for Pookie as well is very odious to me. Oh, I love that. Where it's like, I can't do a good job. But, you know, he's in Palm Beach and he's going to get something really big. I don't shop a bar. Yeah. Anyway. But, you know, it is sweet.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
He does seem like a very doting father. And so I'll give him that. I think that's sweet.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
know there's something about their content it's got it's like it's the same as ballerina farm like i i actually don't know now it's i'm it's dawning on me that maybe in the moment it would feel disingenuous and i would not feel loved for who i truly am but more of like my presentation but it's like ballerina farm like even though in my head intellectually i know this is rigorous work and it's probably wouldn't feel great to do there's like a delusion where i'm like actually it's just the land it's the wind it's the sunlight it's the
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
It's the soil. It's Mother Earth. It's where we came from. And it's very peaceful. But a lot of people are like, this looks like my nightmare. Anyway, I have a lot of delusions. This has been such a fun episode. Kate, where can people find you? They need to listen to your podcast. We have an episode that's live today where we're going to be chatting about so many similar topics.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
So we should probably let everyone know that they can go listen. Yes.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
religion yeah what part of virginia outside of richmond okay we're from orange county california and i was listening to one of your podcast episodes yesterday and you were saying how you like would have loved to have been like a southern california kid yes like idolized it because you watched the oc and stuff like that well i became obsessed with virginia
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
She unlocks some things about Pookie. So if you listen to the end, you're going to hear some unsettling things that maybe we need to all come to grips with. And with that, enjoy the episode, everyone. Well, well, well, I'm so excited because today we are joined by the host of the Be There in 5 podcast, Kate Kennedy.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah. Like, I still kind of am.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Colonial Williamsburg? No, I fell in love with the artist's work. I fell in love with the work. We fell in love with a woman. Say it. I fell in love with a woman named Sally Mann. I watched this documentary about her. She's a famous photographer. She's a famous photographer. And I basically became, like, low-key her stalker. Like, I was so obsessed.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And she lives in Lexington, Virginia, not to dox her. But there's a whole documentary. Sally Mann is worried about being doxed. There's a whole documentary about her life. So I'm pretty sure. Anyway, long story short, that's, like, set on her farm. All of her photography is, like, set around there. And so I think that's another reason why he fell in love.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I think because I was raised in the OC with like a lot of like very image conscious women, I'd be held in this documentary, this very like intellectual, just kind of like salt of the earth, real woman of the land who like read literature and just was really smart and thought important thoughts. And I was like, that is what I want out of my life.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I also just thought the landscape was so beautiful. And so I literally was so in love with it. I mean, I mean, yeah, I was going to say you're burying the lead. She like Lauren, like went there. Lauren was like we were in college. She was like, well, I'm going to be moving to Virginia at the end of this year.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Like after I graduate five years and she went and traveled there and you had like you did a weekend there. Yeah. And then I was just like, oh, there's just like no one I could date here. It was like barely anyone.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
this town yeah and then i also found myself like at like right next to her farm and i'm like this is now fucking weird you found yourself aka you looked up the farm i found myself in a driveway and i was like get away from this like this is weird oh my gosh i can't believe i've told i've told the story again where we have now much more listeners i'm all for pop culture tourism listen i've been to forks washington like i get it
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah, I was very naive and delusional about what I would find there. That's really sweet, though. To add a layer of context to our Orange County upbringing, we were like we were raised in like a beach town, but we were also like Mormon, heavily Mormon. So it wasn't like we were in like string bikinis, like feeling ourselves on surfboards.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
It was like, well, first of all, neither of us are athletic at all. Also, Lauren didn't like the beach. We were not not we were only allowed to wear one pieces. We weren't living that Southern California life necessarily.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yes. I remember getting a tankini and my mom being like, well, we'll sew it like a monokini. Yes. Yes. So anyway, it wasn't it wasn't exactly the OC dream. No, people see. No, we were not living that lifestyle. And I just want to make it very clear. I did not actually go on the farm. I was like, I did. Oh, my gosh. Nobody is worried about this. OK, I just want to make it clear.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I didn't fully stock. I came close. But anyway, Kate, no, so that's so interesting. But you have Utah ties, right?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Kate is the author of One in a Millennial on friendship, feeling, fangirls, and fitting in. I'm so excited to have you here, Kate, because I have to tell you, when we were first starting our podcast, I kind of knew we had a lot of overlap. And I was like, I would just love to do a swap at some point.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah. Well, I honestly think, I mean, it's a perfect tee up because I have it in my outline. We need to get to. And I think this is good. Let's kind of like, let's kind of roam around. We'll go back to Justin and Blake. Let's keep it freewheeling. But it's kind of a perfect tee up.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
moment to touch on Ballerina Farm and your thoughts on Hannah, because I do think that is like the central criticism people have is like she's basically glamorizing subjugation. Some people say it's knowingly, some people say it's unwittingly. So, yeah. What do you think?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yeah, I feel like with the whole Evie thing, I was just disappointed she didn't hold out for Vogue. Like she's such a phenomenon at this point. She didn't need to go to this like startup right wing magazine. You know, I'm a friend to all people, all communities. So I don't use that term pejoratively.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
But I just think that like it was upsetting to me that honestly, she just wasn't like in a higher brow publication. That's an interesting point. She probably is higher level now.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Much higher level than Evie magazine. She I think she literally could have a spread of vote. Yeah. Before even before the like the British publication that, you know, even before that like viral moment of last year, she had seven million followers or something like she is huge. Yeah. And so she absolutely could have been on.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
But to be honest, I was just like always too nervous to reach out because you were just like so successful. You're a big name to us. This is like so fun.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I mean, I didn't even know Evie magazine existed until we got the hot milk made cover. Yeah. Right. Of course. Because it's yeah. Anyway, well, we try to stay apolitical on this podcast. But OK, that's good to know. Yeah. Yeah. But I also like just to add to that, like I didn't even know that it was a politically charged magazine. I just never heard of it. I just didn't even know it existed.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
So what do you think then of Nora Smith?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Agreed. And I think Hannah, given the way that she was such a competitive ballerina, she's now taking kind of I think like being a woman as like her competition she's winning now. And like the woman, especially under the eyes of like the patriarchy, which is like breeding beauty, being in service to a ton of different people. But I think Nora Smith is much more satirical. But Chandler disagrees.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
I mean, I think her work is satirical. I just think the way she engages with like online community and her fans is not satirical. It's earnest. It doesn't, to me, feel like she's in on the joke when she's like, like people, you know, like the comment section is fully loving it for the satire that it is. But her response to that is just always earnest.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And I think my other issue with her is she is very young and she like met Lucky when she was like I think she was like not even 18 yet. And I think Lucky has some like has an interesting backstory. And yeah, I think that with Hannah, you see her and she has like sweat on her brow.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
And like I think I just like prefer a more like even if it is curated, a more realistic interpretation on Instagram of whatever hard work you're doing. I don't necessarily love the I'm in lace gloves making gum at 1 a.m. for my husband. Yeah. Mind you, it completely changes if it's satire or not.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Well, I just like she then maybe that is like what I'm responding to is like she doesn't like she doesn't seem in on the joke when she's responding to them at all. It's like people are like, this is amazing. She's like, thank you. Or like, you know, I can't believe you did this. And it's just all very neutral. OK, like it could just be her strategy. And she's like to commit to the bitch.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
She might also just trigger me. And that might be like actually the bullseye here. I mean, she's too hot for me to follow. So she's so she's so beautiful. And I actually she shared stuff about her like skin condition. Anyway, I actually think I need to do some like inner work with my like Nora. Youth therapy this week, right? Usually Fridays.
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Yes, precisely. We're anthropologists. We really are. We are. We're scholars. We're historians. We're journalists. And today, we have subject matter to really dig into. So everyone knows we're doing—everyone on this planet knows that we are doing a series. Chandler's facial expression whenever she looks at me on the pod is always like, what's she going to say? Like, what's happening?
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262: Jenny Slate Enters the Blake Lively Vortex ft. Kate Kennedy
Totally. And that's also what I think it is. We've talked about this before. I think there are people who get on Instagram for aspirational content, and then there are people who get on there for just more realistic people like them. And I think that I tend to not be as obsessed with the aspirational side of Instagram, I guess, which I think maybe that's what she does. And that's amazing.
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Yeah.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
She totally does.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Or, you know, I don't know.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Shit hits the fan here.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Yeah.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Yeah.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
I know.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Mm-hmm.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Exactly.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Right, right.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Yes.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Yes.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
Mm-hmm.
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257: BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART TWO! JUSTIN’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BLAKE DEEP DIVE
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This episode of Pop Apologist is brought to you by Booking.com. Whether you want to earn more or grow a full-on hosting business, check out Booking.com today. For the bookings you've dreamed of, list your property on Booking.com. Well, well, well. Back together again. 12 hours later, much to talk about, so much to get into, everyone. So we are back from Camas, Utah, from Ballerina Farm.
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It's all about bonus tracks, right? I just wanted to make sure that I can look forward to those. Anyway, everyone. Uh, lots to look forward to in terms of Taylor's version, uh, reputation. Lots to not look forward to in terms of the Justin and Blake lawsuit. Yeah. Can I just say, it just feels good to be back. Like we are so back. We are so back, baby. We have been missing Taylor.
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She has been reffed from us. And we are so, we are so back. Okay. Let's discuss another group of women. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. The season two has dropped on Hulu. Chandler, you have, this show, you have wanted to talk to me about it so much. We've been together a lot recently. I only watched the first two episodes in the past 10 hours. But you have been foaming at the mouth.
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I've been foaming at the mouth. Lauren and I flew home, and on the flight home, Lauren was looking up at Ballymalu. Am I even saying that right? I don't even know what these words are. Lauren was looking at the culinary school in Ireland and if she could go. And I was watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season two. Season two. Yes, you were. And you were freaking out about how good it was.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
It's just, I mean, the show scratches an itch for me that no other show can scratch. Okay, gross. Really quick, before we get into it, I just want to say, PSA for myself, if you know of a really amazing cooking school that's not a Ballymolo. Wait, literally nobody wants to talk, everyone wants to talk about Secret Lives of Mormon. No, I know.
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I just want to say, PSA, if you know of a really great cooking school, I don't want to learn French cooking. I want to learn just like Alice Waters style cooking. I want to go for four to 12 weeks. If you know of one, please DM me. What are we going to do with the podcast when you're at cooking school? Where do you think you'll be?
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I said to you and Courtney, I said, this is one of your purchases that I think I'm okay to sit out on. I think you're going to have less freedom than you did when you moved to Pub Apologist full time. Anyway, yeah, everyone, please send Lauren your cooking school recommendation. Send it to a personal account. We don't need to clutter our DMs with that.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Please send it to my personal at Lauren having fun and give me a follow. OK, so I I've actually watched the first four episodes, but I knew that you had a lot on your plate. So I only wanted you to watch the first two. So we're only going to discuss the first two because there's a lot to get into past the first two episodes.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
But I think there's you know, there's plenty of nuggets to chat about now. So much to say. So I am. Where do we even begin? Let's begin with episode one. Okay. And what I love is that the women kind of begin the episode by talking about, you know, the effect of mom talk. And I think to quote one of them, it's, mom talk has been able to push the needle when it comes to the patriarchy.
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in a letter to the court where he's asking to subpoena text messages from Taylor Swift. Blake's attorneys threatened Taylor's attorneys that if she did not make a public statement in support of Blake Lively, this was February, okay, if she did not do this, that Blake would release 10 years of private text messages.
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And I would just like to get Elizabeth Warren on this podcast. And I'd like her to weigh in. Has the needle been pushed? Is Gloria Steinem still with us? Yeah, I think so. Because I would like her to also give some sort of quote on how this work has been furthered. I mean, Betty Friedan walked. so the Mormon wives could run. Wow.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I mean, okay, and here are the other quotes, which are truly phenomenal, because yes, they led off with a little bit of a manifesto. So MomTalk intends to do things like move the needle when it comes to the patriarchy, and quote, push the church to modernize, and quote, live our lives making videos smashing men's hearts. This is from our Vulture recap where I pulled that.
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And the writer said, the policy agenda is clearer than that of 90% of American politicians. I mean, get these bitches in office in 2028. They know what they want to achieve. They know exactly what they want to achieve. That writer is exactly right. And I just love the way the mom talk agenda, the mom talk ethos is prevalent throughout all of the chatter.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Why does she want to get let back into mom talk? This is not what mom talk is about. They did this last season, but I'm just so happy that it's continuing. I kind of, I guess with this whole show, I feel like the mom talk of it, which to me is really just like girls, like moms filming dancing videos has kind of been lost. Like it's not really about that anymore and like their dance troupe.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
It's more about their lives. And so I think that the fact that they are still, that is still, you know, that's what the moniker that they are calling themselves and the, you know, their whole brand and, and, the manifesto that they go back to is just really funny because they bring it up a lot. They bring it up a lot.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And I think when it comes to mom talk, I personally just want to say as a health warning to any viewer. Yeah. Do not play a drinking game when it comes to mom talk because you will have fatal alcohol poisoning. Yeah. It's every fourth word. It's like her timing of wanting to come back to mom talk is suspicious. And the money, you know, like Zach doesn't approve of mom talk.
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I honestly am here for it because I think it is a very succinct way of describing the their group, their participation on the show. It's a little bit, whenever they say it, they break the fourth wall a little bit. Because they're talking about being on the show. It would be like if the housewives talked about who wants to get back into Housewives. So I like that. That's true.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
So I'm fine with that, just for the purpose of efficiency and because it just sounds so absurd. It's so absurd sounding. And it just makes it sound so much more important. And it is important. I'm moving the needle with patriarchy. It is important. I think that's one of the most confounding and hilarious parts about social media careers is because a lot of times they can seem absurd and silly.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Like, you know, I heard there was once there's a kid on YouTube and his entire channel is just opening presents and he makes like millions of dollars a month. Okay. We are on the wrong train.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
So when it comes to MomTalk, though, what's so funny about that is they're constantly referring to MomTalk, and then they're like, and yeah, in a single brand deal, I make more than my husband makes in his annual salary. So it's like, maybe we should all just put up and shut up and show some goddamn respect to MomTalk. Put some goddamn respect on MomTalk's name. Another thing to their credit.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
We get this news and we're just trying to enjoy, as the Queen herself, Heather MacDonald, would call it, a fucking cute lunch. We're just trying to have a cute lunch before heading up to Camas. And we're trying to also just kind of gird our loins for what we're about to encounter, you know? Yes. You know, it's like...
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Yeah. Everyone is looking very hot. Everyone was already super beautiful to start with, but the brand deals are brand dealing because the glow ups are looking good. No, they all, they all look gorgeous. And honestly, I have a lot to say about Taylor's mother. A lot. But I was here for her glow up too. You know what, when she sauntered in with a new face, I was like, good for you, bish.
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Honestly, good for her. And that's basically where my good feelings begin and end. She has to show up to Relief Society and shake her head in shame every Sunday. Let this woman get a facelift. It's like, do we even, do you want to just start there? Let's start with Taylor because Taylor is really, you know, Taylor is the premier or like, she's a prima ballerina. Yeah. What do we say of mom talk?
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She's the center snowflake. Yes. So everyone, Taylor is back for season two. She has given birth to Ever. With Dakota, her baby daddy slash ex-boyfriend. And I... Taylor continues to be my favorite part of the show. Because, if I may just say, I think that she... is the most real and the least, like, I think she's the most real and vulnerable on the show out of any of the women.
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And she continues to be throughout episode one and two. Well, what she's showing is so real. It's so authentic and it's so devastating. And I think like going to when her mom saunters in with the, you know, face V2 and they're chatting on the couch and, you know, she's describing the betrayal of Dakota and like the depth of her pain and Should I give people some backstory on that really quick?
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Yeah, please. Really quick, everyone. So I said Dakota, her ex-boyfriend, because in season one, they actually were together.
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You know, what we see in the first few episodes is, you know, Taylor and Dakota basically separated because she found out that he was lying to her at the beginning of their relationship about whether or not he was seeing other people and the degree to which she was seeing another person. In fact...
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In the very first episode, we have Jenna, a girl who, you know, we saw a phone call with at the end of season one. Now come on to the show and her and Taylor chat in Macy's living room about, you know, the the lengths to which her and Dakota went to, which is what was really going on. It was mortifying to watch it. Honestly, like At one point she says, well, I think we just did hand stuff.
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No, it's so stunted and infantilizing and hilarious. Hilarious. So my favorite part is when Taylor looks at Jenna. She's being emotionally destroyed right now. And she says, well, what did you guys do together? And Jenna's like, well, we did go to the dinosaur museum. And we did go to the trampoline park.
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we plan God laughs when it rains, it pours because it couldn't have come at a worse time. I was already destabilized. And then when I heard this, I think it just kind of ripped me open in a way. You were so unwell at this. So I look over and Chandler is just
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And it's like such a insane, insane view, like microphone, camera lens, zooming in on the psychotic and embarrassingly juvenile dating culture of Provo, Utah, which we were mired in when we went to school at BYU. And so again, it is like so funny to see this culture
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yeah it's to see a light shown on it because it's just so embarrassing and absurd it's like these people are adults she's like we did go to the escape room and we did do hand stuff after and these are people in their like mid-20s yes these are fully grown adults that is what you would hear a 13 year old say for most you know you know like it's it's
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um yeah and i think that's where the mortification comes in because i experienced 13 yeah 16 teenagers teenagers that is like yeah we we experienced that uh you know and i yeah so we were so mired in it and so anyway and but but so it's kind of it's funny on a level it's mortifying on a level and then it's also very real because you're you're seeing taylor kind of think about the fact that
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Dakota would just come over at night and like hook up with her but she didn't and she's like he was asking her out on dates and I was just like she said like I was the night girl and that and she's sobbing crying and I I think there's like there's the absurdity of like the dating behavior and then there's the extreme vulnerability and relatability of what Dakota or of what Taylor is experiencing with feeling cheap feeling like you you were not important to this person well
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And he was lying to you.
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He was being duplicitous. He was cheating on you. He was treating you like you were nothing. And it's just, I think, again, it's like one of the most painful things a woman can go through is to learn that you had all these intimate encounters that you thought were one way. And then all of a sudden it's like, no, this person is nothing like what I thought they were. And they were lying.
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Not only were they holding back, but then they were telling me, oh, she was pursuing me. It was just a full lie. Yeah. And women live in fear of this, I think, every day because we see it so much. And obviously some women do this to men, but for them, you know, I think this story is more common in this tale with the man cheating on the woman.
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Anyway, it's just it's really, really sad because I think I think Taylor is just really raw on camera. And my heart just like continues to break for her. And and this continues into the next episode where we have this family barbecue. And there are other parts of the show that we're going to get into. But I just think I think this was the grossest scene.
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looking at the sky so that she's sitting in front of a huge like floor to ceiling windows and she's looking in she's like almost like trying to go blind looking into the sunlight just like searching for answers it was the most authentically she was so authentically like in pain and not well you really couldn't talk so of course i'm like time to get some content What about my camera?
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One of the grossest scenes I've ever seen on TV in terms of. family mistreating, like being mistreated by your family. And like the fact that they were comfortable speaking like that on camera, the fact that they were comfortable speaking like that at all.
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I just think it's actually so important because what MomTalk is not doing is pushing, you know, patriarchy forward or, you know, or making or tearing patriarchy down. Moving the needle. moving the needle of patriarchy. I'm not sure what that means. But what I think it is doing that's important is shedding a light on how deeply fucked up these patriarchal beliefs make this entire family. Right.
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Because, first of all, so they're at lunch. They're at a barbecue at Taylor's house and her parents are... She's at her family home with her... baby daddy who has betrayed her, cheated on her, and this was her biggest fear. She's in deep pain. Her father at the table has the gall, the nerve to say to her in an accusatory way,
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After she has described how he's betrayed her, well, what does that say about you? So she says, this is when she's saying, you know, he was taking her out on dates and he was coming over and having sex with me at night. I was the night girl. And, you know, and he says, you know, well, what does that make you? What does that make you? And it's, he's like, kind of yells it at her. It's disgusting.
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It's a full, like you deserved it. Yes. Like you were asking for it. You were asking for it. You cheapened yourself. How could, you know, men can't resist. You know, look what you were wearing. Also, they are so chummy with Dakota. It is very clear to me that they really like Dakota. I think Dakota is one of the most manipulative people I've ever seen on TV. He's got almost like a Jax level to him.
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No, he's disgusting. He's abhorrent. And also disgusting. It's just so absurd. Like the brother saying, give him an inch so he can run a mile or walk a mile. Give him an inch. So we can walk a mile. Shut up. This guy is not getting better. And this guy is not good for her. Their trust has been broken.
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The fact that everyone is at the table except for her one sister is saying, you know, you just need to, like, make this work. You just need to figure it out with this guy. And no one is saying, trust has been broken. Clearly, you guys are not right for each other. You need to take, you know, some time. And no one is taking her side. Nobody.
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And everyone is treating her like this is the best she deserves. No. They, because they all labor under this false delusion that it would be better for the kid, this child ever to, okay, so many things to say, to have parents together, the parents that conceived him together, even though they have a fundamentally toxic trust, no trust relationship, that apparently would be better than saying,
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This is never going to work. You deserve to be with someone you can trust. You'd both need to experience a lot of personal growth before you find the person you can have a healthy relationship with. It's actually much better for this child to have no memory of you ever being together because then guess what? He's not even going to know what... He's not going to have lost anything.
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and move on it shows how stunted their view is of family and human relationships like what what the best they can be and you shouldn't be in a relationship like that and it exposes this really absurd idea that divorce or parents broken up is the worst thing that could ever happen it's not it's not it's absolutely not and what's worse is seeing a really bad relationship play out and then you learn that that's that's what normal relationships look like one million percent
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I really wish you would have thought about all of this before you got pregnant. This child is right there. So you are gonna discuss on camera the idea that you think that this baby is a mistake. You regret his birth on some level. Grow up. The parents need to grow up. And I think that, you know... And they're just a little too comfortable on camera.
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We can be very kumbaya when it comes to, like, religious... You know, all religions. But you see the way that they're... I'll just say it. I think their religion has stunted them. Yeah, 100%. And they truly need to... They're the ones that need to do some growth. Absolutely. And I think the fact that they can't put their, like...
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their daughters, like her feeling personally safe and loved above just like, you know, a nuclear family and just like her being together with her baby daddy is so, it's just really sickening. I had like a pit in my stomach watching that whole like scene. And it's not until her other sister is like, you guys, like they're screaming, yelling at each other.
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And she's like, you guys need to be separate. This is like, you know, this is not working and it's not good for the baby. Like her sister is the only one with like any type of sense. No, and the sister who comes over is like, maybe we'll take the baby away from this situation.
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And another thing, like, Sweet Taylor talks about how... So the guy that we see on the show who's with her mom, that's not her biological dad. Her biological dad, she did not have a relationship with him. And the only time she met him, he just, like, came up to her and was like, hey, what's up, kid? And never spoke to her ever again. It's really traumatic for her.
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Clearly, there are some deep issues. And the fact that her mom... doesn't have more sensitivity, more awareness for that. And I just can't believe that's the way her family treats her. I think that's the way a lot of families treat their children, which is also going to explain their relationship of Jen and Zach. Yeah, let's get into it.
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And I think like talking about the friendships between Blake and Taylor, it's all just sort of make-believe still a little bit. Like, you know, there's drama between the two of them. We don't know what's going on, you know, or just all of like the wild tales that we spin. You know? Some of them truthful. Some of them, you know, our own theorizing. Okay? Right.
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And as they continue to try to fight for their marriage and make it work. He really wants to love Jen. He loves her so much he'll do ketamine therapy with her. I, first of all, I'm glad he got a haircut. Yeah. The haircut is really helping at least us make, at least this show be more visually watchable. Agreed. In this man. He to me represents the most stunted man you have ever met in Utah.
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Her having to like explain to him that he needs to consider her feelings before his own. Mm-hmm. is truly, it's like saying to someone, you shouldn't beat me. You shouldn't abuse me. I need you to learn that lesson. Again, what we see is these young women who really don't know their value and worth. And so they will try to fix a toxic relationship
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they will try to be with a broken man, a stunted man, instead of learning their own value. And also, I just want one of the adults to say, you are all children. You can all just have second chapters with someone else. These can all be starter marriages. By the end of your life, you'll have forgotten about these guys.
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Like, you could be with someone who doesn't need to, like, come to grips with who you are and who you're evolving into, you know, as you grow up. You know, I think what's so rich about this whole situation is that, you know, he's in medical school. He hasn't proven himself to be, you know, be able to bring home the bacon. He's not in medical school. He dropped out.
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Oh, yeah, well, he dropped out, exactly. He dropped out. Jen is the one bringing home the bacon. Mom talk is her career, okay? And he is struggling to approve of it. He doesn't approve of mom talk. Well, I'm sorry. How are you going to pay the bills? Right, right. And I, you know, he really just like he and he thinks that all of the people on mom talk are beneath him, that he is too good for them.
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I think it's he's clearly one of these provo guys. Yes. From some from a family who's did relatively well. And so he's high on that supply. And also, I'm sure that he's had many talkings too from his parents about how trashy and tacky her participation is. And he's dealing with a lot of, you know, his baggage from that.
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What I loved was when Jesse and Demi, they talk with Zach and they tell him what Jen has said about him. Because it forces Jen to confront and to have him confront the reality of how horrible he's been. Right. She is still, like, protecting him from her own feelings. Yeah. And I felt like what they did was really not something she enjoyed, obviously.
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Like, she didn't want them to cause more problems. But she clearly had not actually made Zach fully reckon with his actions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what she really thinks about him. Yeah. I just keep going back to like when he's like, you know, and I said those things in Vegas and I'm going to have to live with that for the rest of my life. It's like, don't try to be the victim here.
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But everything we always talk about, we believe. Yeah. We don't spin wild tales. We don't spin wild tales. All I'm saying is that this just made the realness of this case and the chasm between Blake and Taylor very real to me. And I was just like, you know, Taylor is the godmother of one of Blake's children. Which, by the way, can I tell you now? What?
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But no, I think you're exactly right. And, you know, I think I think to me and Jesse have are a lot more emotionally equipped for things on the show. And I think we see that come across. I will say, Demi's pretty bold. Jessie seems extremely mature to me.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess I just think that they... Yeah, they're both... I just... Yeah, I think they are just like... Yeah, they're both more mature to me than some of the other girls on the show. That's what I've seen. They've both been married before. I don't know. They might be slightly older. I'm not actually entirely sure. But some of these women on the show feel very young to me.
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And some of them don't feel quite as young in terms of just like mental... I don't know. Wisdom.
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Yeah, a little perspective. I mean, and I think even when Jessie says, you know, she says at one point, like, there's not a lot of success stories from when things are that bad that it ever gets to be better. Right. You know? And that's the friend you need in your life. And that's true. I believe that's true. One more thing I want to point out about Jen in a second, then we can move on.
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There's a moment where he, after ketamine therapy, where he says, I would just give anything to, like, go back to that day in Hawaii running through the coffee fields. And I think... That was a moment where it really shows that he doesn't actually like who Jen is now. He just wants to have whoever he married at 19 or whatever. I don't actually know when they got married.
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His ketamine therapy experience was not about... I love you. I love our life together. Let's, let's, let's grow old together and figure it out. Um, it was like, Oh, I just wish I could have that girl back. Right.
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It's like, could we go back to when you just let me do whatever I wanted when you worship the ground I walked on when you were a total, I just, when, when I was on ketamine, I remembered you when you were a doormat and it was, yes, it was gorgeous. And I would give anything to go back to that day. Uh, okay, sorry. There actually is one more thing.
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He also talks about how he does not go to church anymore. But the reason that he doesn't go to church is just that people aren't very nice to him. It's not like there, there's been no kind of like deeper shift with him. Beliefs wise. It's, I don't know. I just, these people aren't that deep. Right.
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It's not about like, there's no conviction there. No, it's not. It's not like, well, I'm going to atone for my sins. I'm going to deal with this public stand up for my wife. Yeah. And I'm, but I, but my religion and the book of Mormon means so much to me and taking the sacrament every Sunday that I'm actually just going to deal with it. It's like, it's just a lot of these people. They, they,
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They just go with the flow. They get along to go along. They go along to get along. Something like that. Whatever. And exactly. Their religion actually doesn't run that deep inside of them. And so the second it stops working for them. Or being comfortable. Yeah, the second it stops being comfortable for them, all of a sudden they don't go.
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But they're the first people to criticize people who are gay and leave. Right. It's like, well, if only they could have, you know. Persevered. Gosh. Yeah. It's just... The show brings up a lot for us. And anyway, I'm excited for you to keep watching. Anyone who doesn't know, we grew up Mormon and we went to BYU. We're very, very familiar with this entire culture. Indeed.
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I'm so excited for you to keep watching. Really? Does it get good? Oh, it gets even better. Gets even better, baby. And yeah, like just buckle in. So we'll keep talking about it, obviously.
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um one thing i will say not to malign an entire community but here we go any young women listening to our podcast who potentially live in provo utah if you are dating in provo utah i would highly encourage you to leave because this is the kind of toxic culture and the kind of men that are there and not every single one not a lot of them but all basically every single one that i dated
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Looking back, seeing how manipulative and conniving and Machiavellian. This woman is... It's eyebrow story in this. I mean, my Botox is not fully in effect. Allison, get ready. Yeah. Only a needle could be near my face yesterday. You will not be able to see how truly furious I am, but you can right now, everyone, because... What?
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And these beliefs that they have are so deeply ingrained and conditioned within them. Like, get out, get out. I mean, you can have a whole new chapter as well. When I left Provo, 24, 25, I mean, four score in seven years.
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It's not like I never found a man or found any, you know, and it's just you there's these women are so stunted, so stunted. And I kind of see my by yourself a tiny bit in them. I absolutely see myself in it. I see the way that I thought that I was literally, you know, used goods at 22 because I wasn't married. Right.
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And I think, too, you know, you need to meet men if you're if you're looking for a man.
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you need to meet men or people you know the person you want to spend your life with who have also lived elsewhere who have just experienced like life outside of mormonism and just like who have just seen the world from like a new lens and their mission does not count thank you amen amen and also not that the only thing that matters is finding a man also just your mental peace of not being in this toxic culture yeah absolutely but i think when you're at that age that is the thing you're focused on for sure yeah 100 so anyway okay
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I believe, I truly believe, now knowing what Blake Lively is capable of, allegedly, according to Brian Friedman, I believe that the godmother shit, that was fully manipulative. No. I do. I do. Well, okay. Believe that if you will. I'm going to finish. I believe that there is a real friendship there, that there was at least at one point. There was a years-long real friendship.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Or mom will say, I really hate Judge Bev. Mom is really not going to enjoy this segment because I am not doing a hermeneutical study, okay? Just piece by piece, layer and layer of text. I love that word. I don't know what that word even means. Hermeneutics is basically the interpretation of language. So it's like, That's amazing. It's like you're so smart. I think you are.
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Like when did you learn that word?
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
in my hermeneutics course oh really okay so you did that it's like you didn't just pick it up on one of your books no uh well lovely okay take us through your top line yes this is going to be as they say in the business world a give us another word well no what do they say in the business it's just like 10 000 degree yeah we're gonna we're gonna do a thousand foot view or a thousand sky high or not or uh keep it top level did you top level yeah top level it
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
whatever. Okay. We're just going to go over this over a few of the new key developments. So earlier you were channeling Alan Jackson. Yeah. Can you channel him a little bit more? You're wearing a blazer. So you're kind of, it's, it's kind of perfect. I am wearing a blazer. I have not worked out my biceps very much recently. So I'm not sure testosterone.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I'm not on T. So I'm not sure if I, if I can honestly channel Alan a little more, but what I can do is walk you through some updates in the case. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So there have been two key witnesses. The first is the digital forensics expert, Shannon Burgess, which is a man.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Shannon Burgess' testimony, and that has become a focal point due to both his technical findings and challenges to his credibility. So Burgess, representing Aperture LLC, analyzed data from Karen Reed's Lexus SUV, identifying two, quote, significant triggering events, a three-point turn and a backing maneuver.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
These events are central to the prosecution's timeline, suggesting Reed struck John O'Keefe with her vehicle. Burgess also noted a, quote, clock variance between the SUV's internal clock and other devices, which he used to align vehicle data with O'Keefe's phone activity.
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defense attorney robert alessi scrutinized burgess's qualifications revealing discrepancies in his resume and his linkedin profile burgess admitted he did not possess a bachelor's degree despite claims to the contrary and acknowledged that his linkedin page contained inaccuracies alessi further challenged burgess's objectivity by highlighting a footnote in his report that referred to the case as a homicide suggesting a presumption of guilt right
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Technical errors in Progester's analysis were also pointed out, including confusion between the bites, between bites and bits. Bites and bits. Yeah, basically saying like, you don't really actually. Oh, like they're like literally proofreading? Like he didn't spell bites right? No, I think bites are different than bits. And they're saying you use this term when you should have used this term.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Oh, but like in terms of like digital technology. Sorry, I'm thinking about the dog. No, no, no. Yes, we're not with the dog. Okay. So basically they're just kind of, you might be not actually up to snuff. Yeah, exactly. Okay. The second I think is more interesting. So this is Sergeant Uri Buchanek. Oh, I know all about Uri Buchanek. Oh, you do? Yeah. Okay.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I don't know, the way you said that was a little horny. Well, I just, definitely not that. I mean, he was just, if I'm right, isn't he the supervisor of Proctor? Yes, exactly. So Sergeant Uri Buchanek, a Massachusetts state police officer and key investigator in the Karen Reed case, recently concluded his testimony after three days on the witness stand.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
His testimony has been pivotal, shedding light on both the investigative procedures and internal dynamics within law enforcement. So here are some key points. Buchanek supervised trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator who was later terminated for misconduct, including sending derogatory text messages about Karen Reid.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
There's vacationing together. No. There's – No. Okay. Well, whatever. You can believe that. But I do believe at one point there was a real friendship and that – This real friendship totally hit the skids. You don't do that to a real friend. You never say, I am going to release 10 years of our private discourse and dialogue when you know. I understand. I understand. Let me finish. Let me finish.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Buchanek acknowledged giving Proctor a positive performance review despite these issues. Wow. To his own disciplinary action, a forfeiture of five vacation days for inadequate supervision and submitting an inaccurate review. Wow. There are also evidence collection concerns.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
So the defense questioned Buchanek about discrepancies in evidence handling, such as the timing of the seizure of Reed's SUV and the integrity of the surveillance footage from the Canton Police Department's Sally Port garage. You kind of admitted to certain oversights, including not correcting a discrepancy regarding the SUV's seizure time.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Just all of this really corroborating the idea that these folks were in cahoots. Yeah. And so, you know, Trooper Proctor is the person who, you know, was in charge of this case. He was the guy who, like, all of the prosecution's case rests on him and the evidence he collected and, you know, the timeline that he put together. And he's been dismissed. And that to me is everything about this case.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
That kind of says it all. And so Buchanek is his boss. And it just goes to show that Buchanek was covering for Proctor. So it's like, you can't trust the boss's boss. Why are we going to trust anything from these people? Where does the corruption stop? No, it's such a good point. And I think also another piece of this is they really examine just the... the amateur hour that investigation was.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
The collection of evidence in red Solo cups, stop and shop bags. Also, that they didn't actually make any sort of markings of where they collected anything. And I was listening to a podcast, diving deeper into this, and what they said is actually putting marks where you found something, that is what you learn, okay? In Crime Scene Investigation 101,
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
place markers for where all the evidence is found so that they can map out. And the people who reconstruct the crime scene, they can make all their calculations to figure out what actually happened. But instead it's like, oh, we found that piece a little over there. This one was, it was all general vicinity. Yeah. I have to show you something also. And so I guess I just want to double tap on this.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
47, excuse me, yeah. I just showed Lauren a picture, which is like a recreation of what it would look like, you know, in the snow if there were 47 pieces of taillight. And it's quite staggering. Like you can really see 47 pieces of taillight.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And I think that what is trying to be proven here is that it's pretty interesting that they didn't see the tail, they didn't see a lot of the taillight before, but then they saw a lot of it later on in the day. And it's also red. They found, by the way, they found the clear glass pieces right away.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
But there are 47 pieces of red taillight that they didn't see till 5 o'clock after they'd taken her vehicle into custody. It's just, it's amateur. It's...
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
at best it's amateur hour at worst it's a it's a cup it's a full-blown conspiracy my question is is who like i want the boston police department i guess that's what the fbi will do right is come after these police officers well i think yeah yeah like they're under federal investigation right now but apparently the jury can't know that yeah oh that's been crazy to try to get a jury pull for this
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I totally understand. I'm talking about from Taylor's side. Where all this emotion is for me is from Taylor to Blake. I believe the friendship from Taylor to Blake has always been genuine. And I believe that maybe, hopefully, at a certain point, at least in the beginning, it was genuine from Blake to Taylor. And to just see how...
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
So a few more details. Under cross-examination, Buchanek was confronted with a group text message where he reacted with a thumbs-up emoji to derogatory comments made by Proctor about Karen Reid. Buchanek defended his action by citing First Amendment rights, although he acknowledged the comment was unprofessional. One thing I also read was that a lot of times when you're a member of the jury,
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
it's not just what someone says, it's their energy when they're speaking, giving their testimony. And what they said was, when he was talking, when he was giving testimony to the prosecutors, he was cordial, he was professional, all was good. And then once defense comes up to cross-examine, his energy completely shifts. And... This is someone who's supposed to be impartial and an investigator.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Someone who's supposed to just want the truth to get, you know, sorted out. It's so clear. I swear to you, if Karen Reid is convicted, we are breaking her out of jail. Literally prison break style. I don't know. I'll start digging. We will count a Monte Cristo, dig a tunnel for that bitch, okay? And I'm going to get her to St. Barth's because she deserves it.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
She deserves a cocktail at Eden Rock after all this shit. Okay. Let's get to the latest with Diddy's trial. Yeah. I mean, she probably would actually prefer that you just donate to her legal fund that she's in some serious debt for. But that's a lovely thought. Well, I'm talking... Yes, we're going to do that if she's acquitted. Yeah. But if she's not acquitted, she's got to get out of jail.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
She doesn't care about the debt when she's... In jail. When she's just with Jen Shaw and Elizabeth Holmes. Let's do a high-level overview of... updates in the Diddy trial. Yes. So Cassie Ventura took the stand. She gave her testimony. She described her 10-year relationship involving physical abuse. She testified about Diddy and his unpredictable behavior.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
She said that he would hit her for simply making, quote, the wrong face or talking back to him. She broke down in tears recalling how her ex would just become a different person. The best way to describe it is his eyes just go black. That version that I was in love with was no longer there." It's like he became soulless.
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One of the prosecutors asked, how many times did Sean throw you to the ground before? And she said, too many to count. Her forced participation in drug-fueled sex parties, aka freak-offs, began when she was just 22. She alleged that Diddy would direct her and a sexual partner on what to do in an act of what she believed was voyeurism.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Freak-offs were regular events, get this, between 2009 and 2023. I don't think Cassie was involved with them up until 2023, but Diddy was holding them between 2009 and 2023. The longest freak-off... You know this detail. I don't know if I do. The longest freak-off Chandler lasted four days. Sorry. You can barely record for longer than an hour and a half. Literally, I'm like, I'm going to go.
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I'm going to lay down. I'm going to be horizontal. Exactly. I mean, that's when you are under the influence of crazy substances. Even then. I don't know. I like... And also, I have no words. I can't explain this. You're verklempt. I'm verklempt. It's so shocking and so depraved. And this is where my Mormon roots will show. And I will say there is a great and spacious building. Okay.
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things went up in flames behind the scenes allegedly brings me deep sadness. I'm gonna channel Alan Jackson for a second, okay? And I'm gonna say, Ms. Bledsoe, would you agree that Blake Lively is capable of deceit? And that she is, thank you. Would you also agree that even if there was sincere friendship, Blake Lively was capable of knowing that the Moniker Godmother.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And there's no amount of Dan Savage sex positivity mumbo jumbo that I want to hear about. Dan Savage. Dan Savage. I feel like on talk radio growing up or something with dad. He hosts a show that's like all about sex positivity. I think it was on Sirius XM. I'm thinking of somebody else anyway. Anyway. Getting him in Rush Limbaugh. Okay. There's just no amount of... I don't know.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
There's no amount of polyamorous spokespeople that could convince me that this is something the human spirit should be involved in. You know what? And they don't want you. They don't want you. Call me Serena Joy, but I feel like freak-offs should be against the law. This is just wrong. This is just wrong. So many things about this are wrong. I mean, it's like...
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I think we can just state that what was happening at these parties was terrible and so much of it was not consensual. And people were there when they didn't want to be. Yes. And were having to do things they did not want to do. And, like, and...
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Yeah, I just hope that like he actually gets the book thrown at him and that it's not just like gets caught up in the legalese of like the racketeering or whatever the other, you know, because so much of what he's actually on trial for is not like necessarily like four day freak offs. No, sure. Anyway, that's the other thing. Cassie, I believe, was like eight or nine months pregnant on the stand.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Yes. She just the bravery. And I believe they like wouldn't let her husband be in the in the room. Alex, fine. Yeah, I don't know if he was allowed to be in. I'm not sure about that. Yeah, I know that there was like there was it was. Yeah, I know that that was kind of contested. And and what's interesting is that he was Diddy's that Diddy actually hired him to train Cassie.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Okay, that is interesting. Another point of this that I want to bring up, though, is there are people who say this is just a cash, a Cassie cash grab. She got the cash already. She got the cash. So what's the purpose of the three-day testimony unless this actually already, then all of this is true and she wants justice to go eight months pregnant and describe in gruesome detail and then also say,
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
have someone cross-examine you and try to make you out to just be a duplicitous liar. Right, like someone who, you loved it. Right. You wanted this. You were, you know, you were just as into it as he was. Yeah, yeah. To deal with that because you just, what? You want to, you already got, you already got the cash. Yeah.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
there's no reason she would put herself under this sort of scrutiny and also go through that if it weren't for wanting to actually have him be behind bars for what he did. And also, another thing, people always criticize the boys who received their settlement from Michael Jackson's estate, the men, excuse me. And it's like,
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I'm sorry, that's the only way as a civilization we have decided people can make restitution for wrongs, right? In a civil way. It's through money. It's an exchange of money. And guess what? Yes, if you've had something horrible like this happen to you, it's going to change your entire life. It could make you not able to hold down a job because you're so mentally destroyed. So yeah, money works.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Give her some money. Anyway, Cassie testified that Diddy controlled all aspects of her life from pressuring her to get implants to influencing what hairstyle she wore. She also allegedly, he also allegedly encouraged her to get her clitoris and nipples pierced. Despite settling the civil lawsuit in 2023 for 20 million, excuse me, she said she's testifying now to quote, do the right thing.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Well, because, you know, I think like, isn't there some, there was some award for like, there was some Diddy award. It's like, She got her money, but it's time people know that he is a bad man. Yeah, and I think also it's like you can't sleep well, you can't sleep at night knowing that like this bad man is being like publicly praised.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And I think that it's like important for all the other ditties we don't know about. All just the rich men who throw their gross sex parties and drug women on their private jets and on their super yachts. It's important for them to see that if Sean Diddy Combs can go to prison, you bet your ass can go to prison. Right, right, right.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I think especially when we feel like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff just was such, just, it's such a letdown in terms of like, is that a bad thing to say? No, it's just, there was no actual justice. Yeah, no actual justice. None of the men who committed the assault and like child rape are in jail. Yeah. Only the woman who was involved in the sex trafficking. Yes, she shouldn't be in jail.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And guess what? All those men. Prince Andrew should be in jail. Right. Okay. All right. Well, now that we have said Prince Andrew should be in jail, I think it's time for us to conclude this episode. Allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I need to be tranquilized. This was a very chill episode. Glad we just got to shoot the breeze. Literally, yeah, just the lightest of subject matter.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
That this title would confer a level of control and a level of closeness that would provide Miss Lively with undue power over Miss Swift. Yes. Thank you. Yes, 100%. And I think- It was low-key a little manipulative. Potentially. It could have been totally manipulated. Well, let me just say. Well, no. Taylor is so pure-hearted, she didn't see it coming.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
You are so riled up. I'm loving it. I'm living for it, and I'm loving it. This is the thing about life. When you're young, all that matters to you is romance. And... hot guys and your love stories with them and your obsession with that. Like the drive to procreate is so strong.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And I think that as you get older, you realize, like one of the lessons of getting older is the depth of familial relationships. I'm so much more interested right now in the depth of my relationship with my mother than I was at 19. And how much more that means to me.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
One more thing about life. I have a poem. No, I don't. I have a poem prepared. That I will recite from memory. This is something that I just want to say. Because at first when this came out, I think a lot of people were like, especially when the judge said that it was not relevant. A lot of people said, the judge said it's irrelevant. Like this is just his team trying to get a salacious headline.
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Everyone's like, we know, we've seen the Instagram posts. Go join, be a global elite, and you can get that full episode. We spare no detail. We, we truly, truly spare absolutely zero details. Okay. So, but let's get into the matter at hand because we have so much to talk about. The first being what, what, what, where do I'm already verklempt.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
The thing you have to realize is Brian Friedman is an officer of the court. Yes, and this is under a penalty of perjury that he submitted this information. He could be disbarred if he was being duplicitous or deceitful a la Miss Lively. Even more intimidating than Lady Justice, tree pain. Oh my gosh, a million times more intimidating, thank you.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
So I just wanna say that he wouldn't have submitted this if it wasn't true. And also, Travis Kelsey would not have unfollowed Ryan Reynolds And if there wasn't, I think that him unfollowing Ryan Reynolds and also we have not seen Taylor Swift near Blake Lively, guess what? The math is mathing. The math is mathing.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And when you start to show your work for the math, really uncover things, allegedly this happened in February. We have not seen Blake and Taylor together since I believe October of last year. And I think if you are at the point in February where it is lawyers talking to other lawyers, the friendship is absolutely on ice, if not on fire.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And I think that this just means that potentially when Blake filed her lawsuit in December, maybe things really started to go like haywire or, you know, things like, I just think you have to then sort of look back time-wise at when did the friendship really start to crumble and why did it crumble? And look at what was happening. Taylor really wasn't there with Blake at the Superbowl, like nothing.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
They've not, they have not stood in solidarity since before she filed her lawsuit. Well, I think that a friendship has to be pretty effing fractured to get to the point where my attorney is reaching out to your attorney. I mean, just imagine how broken you have to be for that correspondence, for that to be the channel. And also, I go back to this a million times over.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
If Taylor believed that Blake had been genuinely sexually harassed, she would be by her side. Because Taylor is pure of heart. And Taylor, at the very least, would have had one public appearance with her. She would have done something. Exactly. But we have gotten nothing.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And it's also such a Debbie Desperado move to say, okay, release a public statement or I'm going to release 10 years of correspondence. Can everyone imagine what would happen if we had 10 years worth of Taylor Swift's text messages? I mean, I think the world would, the power grid would get shut down. Even? Like the exes, the chatter. No. I mean, I- People would riot in the streets. On some level.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
You're looking up at the sky again. If some level, if Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump started really sparring on Twitter, okay? Another amazing friendship. And they started talking about those buttons they can push. Yeah. I would have less fear in my head.
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okay then the fear i would have if these text messages were released and i this is my job my job is to discuss these people i don't want those texts no i don't want them either i i think it is it's so below the belt that that expression doesn't even do it justice i mean those messages are sacred is taylor swift team justin She has to be. She has to be. She has to be, okay.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
We need to move on or we will discuss this the entire hour, unless there's anything else you would like to say. Now do you guys understand why I needed to feel the sun on my face? Why I needed to touch grass? It's just because I was calling it to question everything. It would be like if we found out.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
I mean, I think we should talk about the Taylor news, because in my opinion, that is the biggest news. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that is news that's been sitting with me heavy on my heart, you know, my chest since last week, as everyone saw the video of me, you know, trying to ground myself in the midst of the news.
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I mean, I think even it's actually even worse, but it would be like if there was a cheating scandal with Travis Kelsey right now. Yeah. Because it would be like, our girl has been through enough. Enough. Enough. Enough. It's enough. It's enough. Okay. Chan, what is generally beside me at any given moment? Two things, Lauren. Lotion. Lotion. And a fully drank can of Clean Simple Eats Clear Protein.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
It's always empty too because I chug it. It's always empty and they're strewn about your apartment at all hours, any given moment. It is delicious. You grab it from the fridge. You drink it. It tastes good. Chandler, I drink it for the flavor. I drink it because I enjoy it. And the added benefit of the protein, it's chef's kiss.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
It's a panacea. Earlybirdcbd.com. Use code popapologist for 20% off. But we did get a little Taylor tidbit because everyone on the Handmaid's Tale episode, we heard Look What You Made Me Do, Taylor's version. So things are happening. That song, not my favorite. And yeah, that's all I'm going to say about that. But things are happening. The wheels are spinning.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
yeah i've just been dying to like actually get into it with you this news when we got it i took a video of you we were at sundance and we were having a gorgeous lunch chandler was basically on the floor i just look over at her after we get the news that and to provide a brief summary blake's attorney sent a letter to taylor's attorneys allegedly according to brian friedman
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
And I believe we're going to have Taylor's version of Reputation pretty soon here. I mean. I believe the theory is that this will be released, this information, at the AMAs. It'll be announced. Which is when? I don't, can you look it up? I'll look it up. You look it up while I opine further.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Apparently, on her website right now, if you go to the top, it says AMAs, and it's like apparel, merchandise.
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
In six days, that, there's a bunch of Easter eggs right now that at the AMAs, that is when Taylor is going to announce something. That was what we were talking about last night. while we were discussing outfits from 2007 with Kourtney, Kyle, and Kelsey, and Wyatt listening patiently. The new information this morning is that it is Rep TV. And would I rather- Not a new album. Would I rather be TS12?
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276: Blake Betrays Taylor, Cassie Testifies Against Diddy, and the Mormon Wives are Back
Of course. But I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth. I was just at Ballerina Farm, everyone. What are the chances we have bonus tracks? Chandler, Chandler, Chandler, Chandler, Chandler. I'm so sorry. We are not all clowning over and over and over again to listen to 2009 Taylor's Voice versus 2025 and hear the difference, if we can hear any difference. This is all about the bonus tracks.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's so powerful and it's just clear she's done so much work on herself. You can go through so much in life and you can heal. You can get better. You can have the worst things happen to you and you can grow. Trigger warning, we are going to be discussing sexual violence and rape and darker subject matter. So if any of that is not suitable for you, skip this episode.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
and she began making excuses trying to avoid him but then one day he was inside the apartment she shared with jenny when she got home from school and this is the afternoon that val raped her he raped the 15 year old to me that day she said she was very confused about the situation wondering if she deserved it for quote leading him on or if she somehow owed it to him and he said to her i mean before we get to this line which is just like absolutely almost unutterable
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I think Demi's attitude around this and her first kind of thoughts about it just really go to show the way women can feel like they're responsible for men's feelings and their actions and how ourselves being, you know, overly pleasing and nice can, oh, we gave him the idea that that's what we wanted. So it's actually not his fault. Right. What was he to expect? Then he says to her,
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
you know, afterward, he says, how does it feel to be whored by your mother for $500? So leading her to believe or telling her that her mom had basically given him access to her for cash. That's what he says. And she says she doesn't know if Ginny ever actually got money for that. So this is her talking to Diane Sawyer.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I think that one thing to note is we've been saying, oh, it's a different time. But ultimately, there's never really a time where giving a middle-aged man access to your teenage daughter is normal. Right, or feels appropriate, or that you wouldn't have your guard up a little bit. Yeah, or you just would know not to do that. Sex crimes were happening back then, just like they're happening now.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But like you said, professionally, she was not as esteemed as she really should have been.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's just, yeah, it actually wasn't that different of a time. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
okay so soon after she meets musician tom dunstan in her acting class he was 28 years old and had been touring with billy joel she moved in with him a day after her 16th birthday he would drop her off at fairfax high school every morning and while the age gap in this relationship was extremely problematic tom actually offered demi a stability that she had never known
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But she does move on from that stability when she meets another musician, Freddie Moore, a married 29-year-old. Within a month, 16-year-old Demi had left Tom for Freddie. It's also worth noting that Freddie was married to his high school sweetheart at the time that he met Demi.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And so it's really fun to see her truly having this moment. But let's go back to the very beginning, everyone. So I read her book recently and I told you that it was like so good. I just was kind of looking for a new book and I just stumbled upon it, Love a Celebrity Memoir. Anyway, it totally gripped me. Her life is so fascinating, her early life especially. She's just had...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So I think that, not to give her a free pass, but I also, I just think that given the way she was raised and the environment she was raised in, it just seems like there was no real consideration for morality. No. It was just pleasure-seeking hedonism. Well, and... I think, to be honest, these men offered her stability. Mm-hmm.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And she says in her memoir, like, I didn't honestly even really think about his wife.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah. So, very interesting. I mean, she's 16, 17? Yeah. Okay, so a year later after this, Danny Gines, the man who raised me... commits suicide. And although his death was ruled as an accident because he had so much alcohol in his system, the medical examiner ruled that someone wouldn't be able to commit suicide in that state.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And it seems to have been like an intentional carbon monoxide poisoning by keeping his car running in the garage. Yeah, I guess if you're drunk enough, they can't really say whether it was intentional or not. Yeah, yeah. But Demi says in her memoir, she thinks it was intentional and also intentional that it wouldn't be able to be ruled a suicide.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And she feels like the insurance money was a parting gift to his family.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
so all right shortly thereafter when she's around 18 her career takes off she gets offered to do nude pictures for a japanese magazine and she's kind of sold this tale that like the photos will never see the light of day you know if they are sold only in the japanese market and so she does it she actually just kind of leaves it there she doesn't say she doesn't say oh and then the photos came out and i was so ashamed right and she so it's basically that was the reason though she agreed to do with the pictures yeah
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She also did swimsuit shoots and she was signed to elite model management. Demi and Freddie were married soon after she turned 18. Demi had lots of doubts before her wedding. And actually, you guys, this is so wild. She sneaks out of her bachelorette party and cheats on Freddie the night before they got married. That's not a cry for help. I don't know what is.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
We need to, I mean, I'm going to keep my all eyes on you right before your wedding the day before. Yeah. I can't even imagine being in that state of mind. You know what I will say? This might sound crazy, but I remember, I feel like the way bachelor parties and bachelorettes were discussed growing up in pop culture, just kind of like in teenage books or whatever.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I always thought that like, and this was just an idea I had like as a preteen, but the point of it was like, it was like your last hookup with someone else. Yeah. I think that's an idea for some people. Okay. I mean, it's like the guys go to a strip club, the girl gets strippers or whatever. I don't know. But to me, I'm not, I'm not interested in that just, you know, to put it lightly.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And also it just has like the opposite of where my head is actually at. Like I'm, if anything, I'm at like the, you know, a peak of being in love versus like my eyes are like wandering. Right. And I think, I think most people would agree. I think that it would be that the aberration to actually, um, Cheat on your partner right before you get married.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But I do think there's also something about like there is a degree of like it's a free pass. It was, you know, like, yeah, super weird. So she starts with a role on General Hospital with, you know, with acting moving on from modeling. And she says that she was so embarrassed to drive her old beat up car to the studio that she actually ended up parking off site and walking in.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And her first big purchase when she started making more money was a silver Honda Accord, which she proudly drove to the studio lot. And I'll just say that I'm a proud Honda Accord driver to this day. I mean, Honda Accords are so reliable. They're so reliable. They'll just run. And anyway, that was a moment of connection for me and Demi.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
very hard upbringing and you know she struggled with things as an adult and I think she just has a really rich story so anyway we're happy that she's having this moment in culture and we're so excited to tell everyone her story yeah you suggested to listen to her audiobook and it is an absolutely arresting gorgeous six hours I mean you never listen to any or you never take me up on any of my book recommendations and this one made me want to right my wrongs okay so everyone we're going to get into all things Demi Moore
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
If you're wearing a really expensive outfit and you drive a Honda Accord, I actually think it's a very chic high-low moment. Yes. High-low. Oh, that was backhanded. I'm saying if you're in a super expensive outfit, but you're in a Honda Accord, it's like, you know, you know about the, you're going for high-low. Sure, sure, sure. No, it's true. It's an economical car.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's not a flashy car in any way, but that was backhanded. But I do appreciate it. It's just a joke. So when she was 20, Demi ends up getting a role in Blame It on Rio, which was filmed in Brazil. I've never seen Blame It on Rio. Have you? I've not seen Blame It on Rio, but you know what?
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And this is kind of a joke and slightly poor taste, but Demi can blame a lot of things on Rio because this is where her cocaine habits really start. Blame it on Rio. Blame it on Rio, baby. She says, you know, herself, I nearly burned a hole in my nostril in Brazil. And she's on this shoot. She also cheats on Freddie again here. She's just living large in Brazil.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She says she spent so much money on cocaine that she moves into an apartment instead of a hotel. so that she can spend less money like on her lodgings and more money from her per diem on cocaine. Once again, another mindset I can't imagine being in. But she says she gets back from Brazil and she tells Freddie about the infidelity and that she says she doesn't think they should be married.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah, they get a divorce and Freddie moved on with a friend's 14 year old sister. And apparently there's still a couple to this day. I kind of think it's interesting that she includes this detail. Yeah. It's so funny. It's like, there's just a lot of like, okay. And then he started sleeping with a 14 year old in this book.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Like once again, I keep going back to like, it was a different time, but it was also like not that different of a time. All I have to say is I'm actually very okay with being born in the era that I was born because it just feels like things were wacky and kind of not okay. Yeah, absolutely. So after this, Demi's career begins to falter and she's drinking heavily.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She's in the throes of a full-blown cocaine addiction. She first got her American cocaine from a dentist and then she got it from her business manager. Demi remarked how interesting it was that the person advising her on finances wasn't making any comments about the quantity of money she spent on drugs. But then again, she says he was using it too.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Demi blow through most of her money during this time. So soon after Demi lands the role in the movie St. Elmo's Fire as fittingly a party girl named Jules, her co-stars would be Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, Ally Sheedy and other actors. It was an iconic movie that cemented to me as a member of the Brat Pack, a group of young actors who were fixtures of the 1980s movie scene.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's very funny because there's a scene from this movie, which I've never seen, where one of the friends, they're at a club, I think it's probably St. Elmo's Club or a bar, and the friend says, should we go home or something? And she goes, and waste all that good Coke? Oh, really? Yeah, like it was fully like... It was there was life and then there was her art and it was just like the exact same.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She was like she was a party girl in real life and she was playing a party girl on the show. But interestingly enough, the director of this movie is credited to some degree with like saving her. So she says that the director, Joel Shoemaker. Kind of calls out that she has this addiction in front of everyone. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And he says in front of everyone, like you said, if I hear of you having even one more beer, you're fired. And he walked out of the room and she's mortified. And so before even filming, she was required to check into the Betty Ford Clinic at 21. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and she says that unbeknownst to her, the director and two producers of St.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Amos Fire had wanted to help her quit alcohol and cocaine use, so they admitted her, which she later saw as some sort of divine intervention. She completed the 30-day program in just 15 days and was required to have a counselor with her 24-7 for the entire period of filming. So, Demi writes at this time, and she says, And so I did.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And I think that what she's obviously getting at here is her acting was her lifeline. It was the only thing that made her wanna have a better life. She didn't have much else outside of that to not party for. Yeah, and I feel like I kinda wanna almost just drill down on this idea of not valuing yourself
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She's really one of Hollywood's most intriguing and multifaceted stars. She's had the kind of career that is really one in a million from her iconic roles in Ghost, A Few Good Men, to her already award-winning starring role in The Substance, which is like one of the biggest movies from this past year. But the true story behind her life is a mix of triumph, resilience, and heartbreak.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
enough to get healthy for yourself but you will if it matters to other people or for a film or maybe for something that you want for something external yeah like it's just interesting it just comes down to I guess this idea of self-worth and how I think especially as a young person it can be really easy to have very low self-worth I mean especially with the upbringing that she had yeah
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So she ends up falling in love with Emilio, actually, on the set of St. Elmo's Fire. She loved Emilio's family, especially his father, Martin Sheen, and brother, Charlie Sheen, and really admired their close functional bonds. They were together for six months. Then they were engaged and moved in together. So kind of this pattern of moving extremely fast with relationships.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And to me, substance abuse addiction starts to shift here. into an eating disorder at this time. So I believe at this time she's like sober. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
You know, and I think this happens with a lot of people who struggle with addiction, but you know, it can shape shift where it's like, okay, I, I have let go of like this side of things, but now I'm going to focus all of that control and all that like disease maybe onto another aspect of my life. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I mean, she's obviously hyper fixates on certain things and she just gets in the throes of, of this full blown eating disorder. And she kind of like directs the energy she was directing, probably at drug use and partying towards controlling her body.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So she landed the film about last night opposite Rob Lowe, and she remembers the director telling her that she needed to lose weight before filming began. She writes in her memoir. So then began my process of trying to dominate and control my body and of equating my worth to my weight, my size and my exterior.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So additionally, at this time, she's going through this eating disorder and her relationship with Emilio also starts to deteriorate. So she sends out wedding invites, but shortly thereafter, they postponed the wedding indefinitely. She says there are a lot of issues in the relationship, but mainly that he just did not prioritize her.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Another thing she talks about right at this moment in the book is that she was seeing a therapist. And the therapist says, I usually let my clients make their own decisions. But I'm just going to tell you, you should not marry this person. And I don't think that was because he's so bad or whatever. But it was just like, clearly, things were going wrong. And there was other writing on the wall.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And the therapist was just like, I'm just going to actually break the fourth wall. Right. You should not get married. I kind of wonder if that was, though, because things were so bad. I think the therapist would have had to have thought that this guy was not fit for marriage. Yeah, exactly. Not fit for her. I don't know. I don't know much about him. But yeah, clearly it was not right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So they remained friends, and she even accompanied him to the premiere of his film, Stakeout, a few months later. That ended up being an extremely important night for Demi because she met a hot new actor named Bruce Willis. This is such a fun story. I'm so excited to dive into this. So when Demi met Bruce at the stakeout after party, Bruce was immediately interested in Demi.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And like this is their movie stars and this story is fully out of a movie. So he asked to buy her a drink and she says that she doesn't drink. And then he immediately says, well, let me buy you a Perrier. Bruce invited Demi then to a friend's comedy show after the after party. When she got there, Bruce and all of his friends were sitting at tables in the front together.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So from childhood struggles to public relationships that, you know, we're all over People Magazine and Us Weekly, Demi's journey has been anything but ordinary. So buckle in, everyone, as we take a closer look at this incredible woman who's faced it all, success, scandal, and some of life's toughest challenges, and comes out the other side with a truly riveting story. Let's dive in.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And Bruce had set up a table for two with a Perrier waiting for Demi. When he asked for her number at the end of the night, she asked him if he had a pen. He didn't and ran off to grab one. Then he wrote Demi's number on his arm. She didn't know much about him and had never been asked on a real date before.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
After all of her previous relationships had happened out of convenience and proximity rather than being pursued. And pursued in this like really, you know, romantic sweeping way. One might call it perhaps channeling a little bit of Travis Kelsey energy. Okay. Oh yeah. Okay. Yes. So we're going to listen to a clip about Bruce pursuing Demi.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So darling. Such a like a literal movie moment. Yeah, just so cinematic. And she and Bruce, they really have this like incredible whirlwind romance. They were apparently from the moment that they met inseparable. They had a lot in common. Difficult childhood, parents who did not get along, and not a lot of money growing up. Bruce had a stutter when he was young, which actually got him into acting.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
For some reason, kids who stutter often are freed from their speech impediment when they are reciting their lines. So after just a few months together, Bruce and Demi were in Las Vegas for a boxing match, and they were moving to the gambling tables when Bruce said, I think we should just get married.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
They had been joking about it on the flight to Vegas, but this time Bruce was serious, so they did. Demi got pregnant on their wedding night, November 21, 1987, at the Golden Nugget Casino. I think there's something sweet about her being like, and I got pregnant that very night. I don't know. It's just like, it's sweet. I find it endearing. I mean, I'm curious how she knows that.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I don't know, but it was that night. OK. They had a real wedding a month later, which was much more of a production. So the studio that I think they were both working with gave them their wedding as a gift and was on a Warner Brothers soundstage and was officiated by Little Richard with Annie Leibovitz as the photographer.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And then they had a Copacabana themed reception at a neighboring soundstage. It was just all very movie themed. It's funny just how much value these studios know that these celebrity couples bring to them.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
they're like well as a gift why don't you get married on our studio lot and then we'll have all this like marketing materials and intrigue and content around your relationship i just thought that was a little bit funny so their first daughter rumor was born in kentucky where bruce was on location shooting a movie demi loved pregnancy and motherhood and it was one of the things that she felt like she was innately good at it was over two years before demi left rumor for even one single night
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So after having rumor, Bruce and Demi moved to Haley, Idaho and spent as much time there as possible. And Demi says now that raising their girls in Idaho and away from California was one of the best decisions that they ever made, which I don't think I really clocked that until reading her book that like they didn't grow up with like the L.A.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
The early years. Demi Jean Gines was born November 11th, 1962 to Virginia Ginny Gines in Roswell, New Mexico. Ginny was just 18 years old when she had Demi and she was still very much a kid herself. She came from a poor background and she didn't let that shape her outlook.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
childhood as much as some of their other, you know, famous friends, fellow Nepo babies did. Yeah, and I think that they might have been jet-setting and going on PJs. I mean, one thing that we should have mentioned is, like, Demi talks about when she first meets Bruce, he flies in a private jet, and, like, it's this very, very other world that she's experiencing his level of success. Right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And she talks about that kind of gets mirrored when she meets Ashton, right? He's a young actor and he's kind of up and coming and she's already super successful. And it was his first time like flying private and all that. But back to Haley, I just feel like the girls probably had this very glamorous childhood, but being rooted somewhere that was a lot more
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
grounded, I will say, than L.A., was probably really healthy for the entire family. Right. Okay, so, you know, during this time, Demi's mother, Ginny, is totally unraveling. So she'd been arrested numerous times, and Demi had put her into rehab. Demi's now living this full A-lister Hollywood life. She has resources to, like, help her family.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And immediately upon Ginny's release, she begins selling stories to the tabloids about their difficult relationship. And to me, feels violated and exploited. And she asked her mother to stop selling stories about her. And Ginny agrees, but then she started selling pictures of Demi instead.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And you have to think that maybe, I'm sure there was some type of direct deposit situation where maybe Demi was supporting her financially. So it was just like, why was her mom continuing to? My guess is there wasn't. You don't think so? You don't think she was supporting her at all? No.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I mean, I can see her paying for rehab, but if she's selling stories about her, to me that says there was not a check coming. Yeah, I guess so, I guess. But yeah, anyway, it's just, it's really, really sad. Not that Demi like owes her mom a check, but it's just like, I don't know. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I feel like, I mean, also to be that deplorable that you would like sell stories about your daughter and then photos, you're beyond help. Okay. So she's a mom in Idaho, but she starts to kind of like reactivate her career. And in that process, she wants to get her body looking better than ever. She loses all of the baby weight in three months and hosts SNL.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Soon after she was cast in the film, We're No Angels. She was surprised that Bruce was not excited about her taking this job. Bruce said quote this will never work meaning their life wouldn't work if she was involved with something outside of their family. Bruce and Demi had had this whirlwind relationship, dating, married, pregnant, all of it very quickly.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And Demi realizes he has actually never been with me while I'm filming a movie, like while I'm doing my profession. And Bruce did not like it. Right. This is when some serious cracks start to show. He was always able to be the top priority, and he didn't love that she was going to be on a location for a movie now.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah, she said he had kind of like a king mindset and he really didn't like that all of a sudden it was like about her and like what she was going to be doing and not just all about him. Yeah. I think one of my takeaways from her memoir is she was surrounded by so many bad men in her childhood that she just gives so many passes to the men in her life.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And maybe that ultimately, you know, serves her well because she's able to have such a great relationship with Bruce Willis throughout their entire life. But it's like... He's kind of an asshole to her. And she's just like, but you know, he's just... He hadn't experienced me shining before. So it makes sense. But she was already a star in her own right. Maybe he wasn't... She wasn't on his level.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Demi remembers her mom being a very generous person and she was just kind of one of those women who she might not have the means but she still wants the things like one story that she tells in the memoir is that she would never allow for anything generic in the house and it's so cute because that is such like our mom is actually the same way it's so funny like it wasn't until I was an adult that I realized like I'm just buying generic brand things and it's okay but yeah mom's very staunch about that for some reason our mom came from humble beginnings you know
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But what did he expect? That she was just going to likefully let her career die? Yeah. No, I mean, apparently... No, he was a total asshole to her. Yeah. And apparently he wanted her at home like as his wife. And I also think that maybe...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
part of the culture and the time was like that was kind of what was expected like you're getting married so like your your priorities are shifting right and they're going to be about your husband and your family and not about your career and maybe that for him was like just unsaid yeah whereas now that's like not you know not a given women don't get married and then all of a sudden the idea is like their identities are subsumed by their families anymore so her professional life is soaring because ghost has just come out and her marriage is totally struggling
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And Bruce says to her, I don't know if I want to be married. And she says back to him, well, you are married and you have a kid. So what do you want to do? Everything happened so quickly for Bruce and Demi that it was almost like he was just now realizing that he missed the excitement and novelty of his single life. So it's a little bit also like maybe, yeah, he didn't want to be married.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Well, I just think that, you know, you're a young Hollywood actor and you have the world at your feet. You have women just constantly wanting you. I can imagine that that's like a drug. And I can imagine once the high of the honeymoon phase wears off and you're in monogamy, I can imagine that he had some withdrawals from his life pre-Demi. Right, right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Not excusing it in any way, but I just think that it's human. Yeah. And she suspects that maybe he wasn't faithful to her while he was on location filming a movie after that conversation, but nothing was ever confirmed. And then the film wrapped and they got pregnant with their second daughter and he was just over the moon. And it was like that earlier conversation just never happened.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So it was during her second pregnancy. for her daughter Scout that she shot the iconic cover of Vanity Fair featuring her pregnant belly it was shot by Annie Leibovitz and the cover image was actually just intended to be a portrait meant for Bruce so on set when they're doing the photo shoot they
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
just do the nude just for bruce but then i guess it's like so exquisite vanity fair uses it and demi is shocked by this and there's a huge cultural outcry because at the time women when they were pregnant really like basically hid like they tried to hide their pregnancies it was not seen as erotic or beautiful it was kind of it was just not supposed to be like witnessed almost um
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And so there was just like this outcry of rage almost at this. Like, how dare you try to be sexy and pregnant? Right, right. I didn't realize that this photo, she kind of kicked off all these, this now iconic pose that so many pregnant women do. I didn't know that. I mean, I literally feel like...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
you don't even have to be an influencer like anyone would have posted an almost like naked photo of themselves exactly on instagram now yeah especially like yeah i think that like even just like literal her exact pose is replicated across magazine covers and instagram yes so she's really surprised by the backlash but ultimately she says she's extremely proud of it yeah so unfortunately during that time demi's mom was still trying to get any sort of success or attention that she could out of being demi's mom
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And nude photos begin to surface of her in tabloids, mimicking shots that Demi had done for magazines. And Demi says that once Scout was born, she cuts her mother out of her life for a full eight years. She felt like she had tried to help her so much, but nothing ever changed.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So Demi is extremely concerned about her body throughout her pregnancy with Scout because she knows that she's going to be shooting a few good men too, just a couple months after Scout was born. So she begins to obsess over exercise in a way that she really hadn't before.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And Demi was horrified that her exercise affected her breast milk and it caused her milk to not have enough fat necessary for baby Scout to gain weight. Yeah. And she, apparently she switches to formula to be able to continue her eating disorder essentially. Right. So Demi's exercise obsession continues for the next five years, including for her next movie, Indecent Proposal, one of my favorites.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Soon after that film, she becomes pregnant with her third daughter, Tallulah, who was born in 1994. Meg Ryan, who was one of Demi's good friends, came up with the idea for the name of Tallulah during a girl's vacation. Bruce initially didn't love the name, but he eventually came around. Yeah, it's like dad in my name. Dad didn't like my name at first.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
He didn't? No. Actually, I don't even know if he's come around. We've never debriefed, so hopefully he does like it now. But if not, who cares? Exactly. I mentioned I have opinions, right? Yeah. Just kidding. Love you, dad. Two years later, Demi signs on to do striptease in G.I. Jane. Her striptease paycheck was $12.5 million, making her the highest paid actress in Hollywood at the time.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She was very proud of the rate, but she was also frustrated with the fact that publications nicknamed her Gimme More and shamed her for wanting to earn as much as possible for her work. Meanwhile, just for some context, Bruce Willis is getting a rate of $20 million per movie. It's just like the double standard.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But it is a small luxury to be like, no, I'm not going to have save on ketchup. Like we're going with Heinz, bitch. Yeah. Anyway, I won't digress too much. So Demi's biological dad, Charles Harmon, was briefly married to Jenny when she was pregnant, but their marriage didn't last. Instead, Demi grew up thinking Danny Gines, who married Jenny when Demi was just three months old, was her dad.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah, it's interesting how, and I think that this plays out in so many places across culture. But women having success and having money really is troubling for people. It's very troubling. It's very unnerving. It's destabilizing. You really don't like to see it. Yes, and it's just, it's so bizarre.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
quality of the work they're doing it's interesting i feel like even we on this podcast or me i i have said i've been a little critical of kim kardashian she has so much and she talks on the show she just wants more more more more more and like doesn't ever want to stop really and i think i've kind of you know maybe had my own moment where i've just been like want girl why not just like enjoy the fruits of your labor it's like why the necessity to do so much but it really is i think just something culturally that we have been taught to
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
react negatively to whereas when a man is very ambitious it is just seen as i think instinctively people just applaud it yeah yeah i guess maybe maybe not though because i think less so now you'll hear like men are workaholics and like yeah totally ignore their families or whatever yeah i think it's definitely less so now i do think the double standard still definitely exists
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And I guess I'm just thinking out loud. And I do think him is greedy. I'm just thinking out loud. And ultimately, we should all strive for a balance. And if we do have children, men or women aside, there should be a balance of your ambitions and a balance of your time dedicated to those young lives. But I don't think this is necessarily even about greed or balance.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Because it's just like, hey, I'm doing this role. And men are getting paid double, if not nearly double for it. I was talking about Kim and my commentary toward Kim on previous episodes. But yeah, this was just cultural outrage that she was making so much money. Yeah, I think that people didn't care about the double standard. So immediately after striptease, she begins training for G.I. Jane.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And this movie is not as critically acclaimed as some of the other films, but it is the film she's most proud of due to the physical and mental strength that was needed for the film. So she had to complete a two-week modified SEAL training session in preparation for the film, as well as a huge amount of working out to get her body ready for such a rigorous shoot.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah, it was an immense physical challenge, and it was sad to read that. about in the book where she just talks about how, you know, she's put in so much work, so much physical work for this movie. She loved the script. She thought it was going to be so great. And then it just basically like, you know, flops. Right, right. But after the shoot, Demi...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I just have to say, you know, like our Blake Lively, she really treated this like an Olympic training event. That's true. That's true. So after the shoot, Demi says she was ready to lose the weight she had gained for G.I. Jane, but it wasn't coming off with her normal tactics of extreme exercise and few calories.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Demi was so exhausted by this constant hamster wheel she's on with her body that she says she just stops. She turns her home gym into an office and she begins to practice intuitive eating again. And she says that this is when it's kind of funny because she's like, and this is when I lost 30 pounds and I finally made peace with my body and just remained thin.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It wasn't until she was a teenager that she learned the truth.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Well, well, well, we are so excited today because we are discussing the legend, the woman herself, Demi Moore. I think on this podcast, we haven't really done, you know, single person deep dives. I don't know. Have we? I know we've done couples. No, we tend to focus on great American romances, great international romances. We are a global podcast with many global elites listening.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I do think, though, that like a lot of people talk about that, like the obsessing and like the rules. If you're a person that lives by a lot of food rules, that can lead to a lot of obsessing and binging and binging. I mean, I've had periods of my life that were like that in my 20s.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
danny wasn't her biological father and this is like a huge moment i mean i think that we'll get into a little bit later but i think that that was a big like crack in her foundation as a person for sure and there's a lot of stuff that happens after it with her and and danny the man who raised her but yeah we'll save that for later so jenny and danny's relationship was absolutely tumultuous danny was the type of guy to be gambling cheating running from creditors she only knows a thing about that no i'm just kidding
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And I feel like when you, yeah, there is a sort of like homeostasis that you arrive at when you just realize like, I'm never going to be someone who just eats like kale. Kale, exactly. Suddenly, like all the really decadent food, it doesn't hold so much power over you because you can always access it. Right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I used to listen to this like intuitive eating podcast and it talked about how like you should go to the store and you should buy all the foods that like you would binge on. Oreos, whatever you want to eat and just like buy as much of it as you want and then tell yourself you can eat as much of it as you want. And anyway, they just like, they were like, this will be uncomfortable.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It might lead you to some binging at first. Yeah. But then soon thereafter, that food won't hold that same power because it's like, oh, I can have that tomorrow if I want.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
You know, it's like I only get it this once. So I need to eat as much of it as possible. It's a huge psychological shift. So after completing G.I. Jane and striptease, her marriage to Bruce was suffering more than ever. She says it was basically, you know, just a marriage of logistics. And at the same time, she received news that her mother was dying from lung cancer and a brain tumor.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So over the next few months, Demi stayed with her family in New Mexico and took care of her mother. It was then that she was also able to make peace with her mother.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So after her mom passes, Bruce and Demi make the decision to separate, but they had not made the news public yet. But somehow a publication got tipped off, and they don't know whether it was from a friend or a family member.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But I think the fact that you're dealing with this intense grief about your family member and your marriage, and then the fact that somebody close to you might have sold you out, it's just really harrowing. Yeah, it's a horrible time for her. And I think a lot of celebrities have so much fear that their friends aren't genuine and are using them.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And so I think to be like, oh my gosh, there's someone in my circle who is that person, and I know who they are. Right. Well, and I think as well, this means that they then have to announce it a lot sooner than they want to. So they decide to get ahead of the story, and they announce their separation to the tabloids. Their divorce was finalized in 2000 after 13 years of marriage.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It was a very public divorce and Demi wrote in her memoir, it's a funny thing to say, but I'm very proud of our divorce.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I think Bruce was fearful at the beginning that I was going to make our split difficult and that I would express my anger and whatever baggage that I had for our marriage by obstructing his access to the kids, that I turned to all those ploys divorcing couples use as weapons, but I didn't and neither did he.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So on a positive note, they proved to have a really loving post-marriage relationship and they put their girls first throughout the entire process. Bruce bought a property across the street from Demi in Idaho and they created a family compound of sorts, you know, a coyote pass, if you will. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Not to say that, you know, post-marriage life was particularly easy for the family or for Demi, but it seemed that they had a, you know, as loving of a transition as they could. It was just, Chandler, it was just like the cul-de-sac in Vegas. You know that's what I was picturing when I read that. The halcyon days.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Just kidding. I actually think I probably have a better credit score than you. Really? We'll pull out Credit Karma. Yeah. So it was not always terrible, though. When he was more stable, he had a work hard, play hard mentality. That was really fun. He loved gambling and fighting, whether he was an observer or a participant.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
oh for why am i blanking on their last name browns the browns for the brown family thank you years later bruce said of co-parenting with demi we've become like a tribe it's generated a lot of interest because everyone can understand the resentment and envy in a breakup of a marriage but they don't understand how i can get along with my ex like that demi and i made a choice to put the kids first and we're really lucky that it turns out we have a lot of fun together i still love her and i have a lot of respect for how she lives her life
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
For the next five years, Demi focused on being a full-time mom and being fully present and involved in her daughter's lives. Demi describes bringing her girls to all their activities, playing with them for hours, and devoting her life to them. She wasn't looking for love, but three years after her divorce, Demi unexpectedly was swept off her feet again.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
By none other than Ashton Kutcher, a 25-year-old aspiring actor and entrepreneur. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know who set them up, Chan, or who basically had the party that Demi met them? No, I don't know. This is like so wild. Sarah Foster. Oh, really? Yeah. So yes, Demi walks into this party hosted by Sarah Foster, and she meets Ashton Kutcher. They were instantly smitten with each other.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She says, he was 25, I was 40, but I'm telling you, we couldn't feel it. We were totally in sync from our very first conversation. She recalls how driven and focused Ashton was. At the time, he was in the peak of his early 2000s coolness with Punk, That 70s Show, all those things. And he didn't seem to be scared off by their age gap at all.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
For Demi, stepping back into a younger dynamic was something she was ready for. She says, keep in mind, when I was 25, I became a mom. I skipped straight from being a young adult into motherhood and marriage.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
When I met Ashton, it almost felt like a do-over, like I could just go back in time and experience what it was like to be young with him, much more so than I had ever been able to experience it when I was actually in my 20s. So this is a clip of Demi opening up about her marriage to Ashton Kutcher.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
and i think i remember this like i remember this in the tabloids and just being like i mean i don't know how old i was at this point but i i remember being taken with the two of them oh i mean i thought they were so hot and it was like such a fun moment yes and everyone was so caught up in the age difference but they were just a hot fun couple and i was a stan i think that i had been responsible for
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So there's just this pattern in Demi's upbringing where there was a lot of moving instability, dysfunction, kind of boom and bust, mostly bust. Yeah. Danny would have a pattern of writing bad checks, using fraudulent identities and making enemies out of people he had scammed. I mean, generally that's what happens when you scam someone, you make them an enemy. You absolutely do. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
AMNA NAWAZ They made their first red carpet appearance in June 2003 at the Charlie's Angel full throttle premiere. And it was really sweet because Bruce and their three daughters also walked the red carpet with them, showing that they were all a team together. I mean, iconic. Iconic. Yeah, iconic.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Early on in their relationship, Demi became pregnant with a fourth baby, a daughter she and Ashton had named Chaplain Ray. Sadly, they lost the baby when she was six months along, just days before they were planning on announcing her pregnancy publicly. I did not really know this, obviously, until her book, but it's just so heartbreaking to be, you know, six months along.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I just, I mean, it makes my, like, heart and body hurt for the two of them. It's really, really sad, and you can hear in her book how much she really wants to have a baby with Ashton. I mean, this love for them, and I think for him at this moment, was very pure. It was very real. They were And so they were just absolutely devastated.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Demi says she had started drinking again not long after she had become pregnant. And there's a story in the book where Demi says that she's with Ashton. I believe they're in Mexico. Yeah. I think they're at Hotel Ascensia. You know the hotel is not better than me. I feel like that. And if memory serves. And she says that he says that he doesn't think alcoholism is a real thing.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And in that moment, she really wants to be like the fun girlfriend. Yeah. He says it's like a state of mind or some BS like that. And she has like this in this moment of just like, okay, maybe I can do this. Maybe I, you know, I, I want to be the cool girlfriend having a drink with her boyfriend at dinner.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
You can understand how you would think maybe I was a different person when I had all these issues and maybe I'll be fine now. Yep. So she breaks her sobriety, and she had started drinking then not long after she had become pregnant. And so there's a little bit, I think, of some blaming herself happening for losing the baby, which is sad.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
The media was super focused on their age gap, and they could not believe this relationship would be successful. There is a moment where Ashton hosts SNL, and Demi is in the audience. And Ashton, we'll just play this clip because it's pretty cute.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I mean, he really is such a little cutie. And the joke is that, for those not watching, the joke is she's dressed up like an old lady and she has all this makeup on to make her look super old. That's the appropriate moment, I think, to take the piss out of yourself, to just have a moment of levity on maybe a public discussion, public fodder.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I would say unlike perhaps the way Blake and Ryan used SNL to have a moment to maybe let out some tension. Are you going to talk about that? I mean, I just think we can say, because it's coming out tomorrow and this just happened, that... It's a little too soon. Just wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. I'm glad that they're finding this all to be funny.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I feel like this was also just a different time where you could like write a bad check, hightail it out of town and just like do it all over again. No, this was the time when you really could have a second family really easily for a man. Yes. If you traveled, you could just fully have a whole other set of kids and another wife and another home. Right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Exactly. I'm glad this is just so hilarious for them. Yeah. But back to Demi. But back to Demi. So they're married in September 2005 in front of 100 guests at their home in Beverly Hills. They kept it a secret. So many friends and attendants just thought they were going to a housewarming party and not a wedding. It's so common for celebrities, which makes sense, obviously.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Soon after their wedding, they begin fertility treatments in hopes of getting pregnant again, but they were not able to get pregnant. And it was during this time that Demi really feels betrayed by her body and less secure in their marriage. She wrote that she, quote, went into contortions to try to fit the mold of the woman he wanted his wife to be.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
In Ashton's defense in this moment, I think that, you know, it makes a lot of sense that there are these biological factors that neither of them could ignore. And she wanted to be able to give him a child, you know, something that someone who was a lot younger maybe would have had less trouble with.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
You know, and that's just like a really, just, I don't know, it's a sad fact and reality of that situation. And I think that put them then in this, like, more strained place. Yeah, and I think that I just wish she had maybe... She was just clearly so in love with him and so caught up in it and wanted to be exactly what he wanted.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But I just wish she had said, maybe I don't need to take advice from a 25 year old on whether alcoholism is a real thing or not. Like I just kind of, I think on some level, it's just, I kind of wish she had like, Had more, like, wherewithal, kind of. Yeah, and kind of, like, more awareness of his age. Like, she should have felt it a little more. Right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But... Yeah, I think with the alcoholism for sure. She should have been like, well, come talk to me in 15 years. Right. But I think then getting into them trying to have a baby together, it's just really sad and complicated. Yeah. And it makes sense that she wants to give him a child. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So she goes on because I think this like to set the stage for the place that they're in in their relationship. She says, I put him first. So when he expressed his fantasy of bringing a third person into our bed, I didn't say no. I wanted to show him how great and fun I could be. There were two different people we opened our relationship to and they didn't have bad intentions.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
They were good people, but it was still a mistake. End quote. Another thing I want to just like touch on here. She really talks about how she wanted to show him how great and fun she could be with the drinking at the dinner in Mexico and then here. And it was like, well, it's not just your relationship. It's just about showing your partner how fun you are. Right. For sure.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
You know, there should by this point, there should be more, I don't know, depth to that or he should have. Yeah, I don't know. I think that that is coming at it from a much more elevated psychological place. I think that's coming at it with a very evolved point of view. Whereas I think a lot of women in relationships are primarily focused on seeking approval and validation.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She talks about the fact that her dad had plenty of affairs and that her mom, instead of maybe trying to address the issue at the heart of it or just leave him, she actually they would just that was another reason why they would leave town. It was just like, OK, your dad had another affair. we got to get out of here because there's just like, you know, too many options, temptresses. Right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And so they don't have the wherewithal to say, well, you may want this, but that's not actually appropriate for us. And this is the reason why they're not willing to... She might have just not been up for risking losing him. Totally. And I think...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Once again, if you are in a relationship where there's that imbalance in ages, then there is a little bit of a power dynamic where it's like this person is young and so therefore they're like automatically fun and great. And I need to like make sure that I'm pulling my end of the fun weight. Exactly. Yeah. No, exactly. That's so true. Okay.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So this is a clip of her talking to Ellen about why she opened up her marriage to threesomes. I didn't realize Ellen got into those kind of topics. I thought Ellen was a little more. Ellen got into it all. Wow.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
The week before Ashton and Demi's 6th anniversary in September 2011, Ashton went to Danny Masterson's bachelor party. When he got back, Demi said she felt like something was off, but Ashton didn't say anything. Instead, he took her back to the piece of land he took her to on their first date, the piece of land he bought with plans to build their dream house.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Even more, they had been making progress in their fertility process and had decided to use an egg donor for their hopes of having a baby together. They'd recently found the donor they wanted to use. First of all, that land, taking her to the land is very Meredith Gray McDreamy.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I thought you were going to go back to Coyote Pass, but I'm so grateful to be in Seattle. Another great love story. So they're making progress with the egg donor. And the next day, Demi has to go to New York for a press for a project she's involved with. And right before, she has to go on the red carpet. She learns via a Google alert that Ashton had cheated on her with a 22-year-old
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
administrative assistant named Sarah Leal that he met during the bachelor party and that he told Sarah that he and Demi were separated. So she literally gets a Google alert, like maybe the most awful way to find out something like this. And then she has to go out on the red carpet. Right. So when she gets back into town, Ashton acts like a completely different person.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Like he was completely done with the marriage. Demi asked if they could start counseling, which they did. But Ashton was not truly invested in making the marriage work. Demi says that their threesomes actually caused Ashton to stray from their relationship more than once.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Quote, because we had brought in a third party into our relationship, Ashton said that blurred the lines and to some extent justified what he'd done. Quickly, just talking about this exclusive story that broke, it also was just a lot more than a headline that was like Ashton Kutcher confirmed cheats with one night stand or whatever. This person talks to Us Weekly about how they had sex twice.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Too many ne'er-do-wells. Yeah. At five years old, Demi was diagnosed with kidney nephrosis, which was a life-threatening condition at the time. She spent three months in the hospital and she said that she loved being in the hospital because it felt like a clean, comfortable, safe environment compared to the tumult at home. Right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
and you know that it was like like it was like a full all night kind of like thing it wasn't just like it's all cheating but it's like it wasn't just like this like one sloppy moment right you know right and that they have like conversations about political beliefs and at one point he says i enjoy things like this because i'm an actor 90 of the time and it's fake it's nice to have moments that are real
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Oh my gosh. So like you said, it's not once something where he's super drunk at a party, like him and a girl and it's just whatever, a sloppy moment. It's like, no, it's like a full night. It's like hours and hours. And do like conversations about life and like...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
moments to pull the brakes yes yeah that he does not take advantage of yeah so she releases a statement that they are dissolving their marriage on november 17th 2011 and the statement for me i think that it's like so it just goes to show the way she like her emotional investment she says is with a great sadness and a heavy heart that I have decided to end my six-year marriage to Ashton.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
As a woman, a mother, and a wife, there are certain values and vows that I hold sacred, and it is in that spirit that I have chosen to move forward with my life. This is a trying time for me and my family, and so I would ask for the same compassion and privacy that you would give to anyone in a similar situation.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's just that line that there are certain values and vows that I hold sacred, and it is in this spirit that I have chosen to move forward with my life. I think that's just like such a digging line to him. So damning, yeah. Yeah. So Ashton files for divorce December 16th, 2012.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And she responds three months later seeking spousal support and attorney fees from Ashton, who had earned a reported $24 million in the previous year for his role in Two and a Half Men. And then their divorce finalized the year following. This is also very interesting to know. So they get divorced December 16th, 2012.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So later on, Ashton talks about the divorce and he talks about the grief from losing their baby girl, Chaplin. He says, losing a kid you think you're going to have and that close to think you're going to have a kid is really, really painful. Everyone deals with that in different ways. Coping through the pain, Demi broke her 20-year sobriety and began abusing substances like Vicodin and alcohol.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
demi described herself as isolated and in anguish she weighed just 102 pounds then in 2012 she was partying with rumor and some of their friends when she was rushed to the hospital after suffering a seizure following smoking synthetic marijuana and inhaling nitrous oxide at a party so i asked my husband, I was like, can you have a seizure from marijuana on pot and inhaling nitrous oxide?
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
When, you know, she would find out that they were moving and they had to hightail it out of town because Danny had found a new
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
What's synthetic marijuana? I kind of was like, maybe they, she did something harder, but didn't want to admit it. But then she's like emitted all this cocaine use. Right. But what Kagan said is that recreational use of nitrous oxide suffocates your brain. Oh, interesting. Makes me a little scared though. Cause I do like nitrous at the dentist.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Well, I think that's not necessarily, I wouldn't call that recreational. It's not like you're using it to unwind. I just didn't realize that it was like so, I know it's dangerous. Yeah, it is dangerous. But also maybe combining it with other things. Right. And I don't know what synthetic marijuana is. I don't know either. Yeah. Okay. So this is Demi talking about that event.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
lady right right also another similarity our mom had this as well do you know this yes i did yeah anyway just kind of random fact so the same year that she was diagnosed with that kidney condition her younger brother morgan was born she remembers that he was very doted on and that her mother's sing-songy voice would just say you know just give the baby what he wants which might have included giving a fussy baby morgan a beer in the back seat when they're on a long drive
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So it's really sad. So after this event, her daughters and Bruce start pulling away from her. They demanded that she go to rehab, to which she was confused since she didn't feel like she had a substance abuse problem. But Moore was dealing with the long-reaching effects of a lifetime of trauma.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
part of my life was clearly unraveling this is what she tells the new york times which talks about the fact that she's now sober she says i had no career no relationship and then her health began to deteriorate and basic tasks like reading and watching tv became incapacitating she was also experiencing autoimmune and digestive problems you know her body is breaking down she says something was going on including my organs slowly shutting down
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So little by little, she starts to kind of like piece things back together. She goes to rehab for trauma, codependency, and substance abuse and works with a doctor specializing in integrative medicine to rectify her health problems. Gradually, she begins to reconcile with her daughters.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
One thing she talks about that I thought was like extremely poignant was at this time when her daughters weren't speaking to her is really the time when she learned to be alone and learned to...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
not have your purpose be for someone else yeah your husband your kids her mom she finally you know she's not really working at this time she's just kind of being right she actually like describes this as a very important for her to have experienced i think it was three years yeah where they were like not on good terms yeah i think it's just interesting like especially women we're just so like in service and we're so like we're such limbs of the tree of our life right right
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And so to kind of be like blown away and just on your own for a good while. Right. Would be a very instructive period. And I do think that that's like a beautiful way of looking at that because it would be so traumatic as a mother. Yes. To not have that time with your daughters. But she says she actually really learned a lot from learning to just be by herself. Right. Right.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And they were older at this point. You know, it's not like they're young and. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, over the past decade, her career, she's not in as many movies as she used to be, but she's worked on movies, different capacities, TV commercials, and has done voice work for a podcast called dirty Diana. She famously roasted Bruce Willis in 2018.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And you know, the roast is really iconic and it shows their, their deep bond even after 18 years. It shows the playfulness of their relationship, which is really cute. So we're just going to play a little clip.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Very cute. They clearly have like a good spirited relationship. Yes. So they actually even quarantined together in 2020. Demi, their girls, Bruce, his wife, Emma, and their two young daughters. Now, as Bruce is diagnosed with prefrontal dementia in 2023, Demi remains extremely close to Bruce and their family has remained a unit throughout the years. Which brings us to present day.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So Demi has had this really stellar second act. She's undeniably remained remarkably well-preserved throughout the years. Demi Moore has always been so stunning. And I think people can use the phrase stunning for her age. And it can feel pejorative. But I think people when they say that about Demi Moore, they're just like more shocked. She's just gorgeous. She's stunning.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Which is just so... Another time. I mean, it reminds me of Brittany riding in the car with Jamie Lynn, her mom. And Jamie Lynn and her, like, have... They make cocktails when she's 13. Yes. Just a different time. A looser time. For sure, bad judgment on the part of the parents. But also a different time. Like, can we excuse some of this to it being a different time?
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And like, it's always like, wait, how old is she? How is that possible? So she's undeniably had, you know, the nips and tucks, but she's never confirmed or denied any work. People couldn't not talk about it when she was strutting the 2021 Fendi runway with a very surprising new look. So she had like, do you remember that? Yeah. That was crazy. People were like, what happened to Demi Moore?
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But then her work was like completely redone. Yeah. And she looks exquisite now. Apparently, this is what the word is, that Dara Liotta in New York City did her rhinoplasty. Reconstruction? No, did her new rhinoplasty. I mean, I think you can fully see her lip lift scar in the substance. She's had a lot of work done. Yeah. Which is, you know, whatever. Yeah, let go.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah, and then she's in The Substance that, you know, was just so good. You and I both watched it. It's amazing. Yeah, I think that I had, like, a visceral reaction to the movie, not only because it's, like, kind of gross and graphic, but because it just, like, it adequately, I think, shows the rage you feel as a woman sometimes with, like, with how tied you are to your own look.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
right right and i think the power that you have to destroy yourself in the pursuit of perfection the pursuit of eternal youth um the way that that can be something that really ultimately just destroys the essence of who you are right if you let it right you know she's already won a golden globe and a critic's choice awards for the substance and i am kind of hoping she wins an oscar for it i think
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
her performance it's really one of the things about it is she has very little voice work especially the first part of it compared to Margaret Qualley and her performance is just utterly riveting it just goes to show she's she is such an excellent actress and really has not had the accolades that are appropriate yeah yeah so fingers crossed and we're gonna play her her speech that she gave when she won um you know best female actor
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Babies were drinking back then. I mean, she really wanted the beer, is what it comes down to. No, I mean, it is just so interesting how standards today, it's like you'll see someone on Instagram will have, I don't know, their kid
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
First of all, what an incredible speech. I cannot believe that was given off the cuff. Literally, I riveted. Riveted and just like it's so eloquent and it's so powerful. The idea that, let me just say too, it's so powerful and it's just clear she's done so much work on herself. It's clear the thing for me about this whole thing is you can go through so much in life and you can heal.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
You can get better. You can have the worst things happen to you and you can grow and And I just also, the thing she said about, you know, like you're, it's never going to be enough. You're never going to be the best. You're never going to be. And I think as women, there's always these comparisons and there's always these expectations.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And it's so easy to think, well, if I meet the expectations, if I actually am beautiful enough or young enough and thin enough or X, Y, or Z enough, then all will be well. And it's so true. You never will be enough of all those things. You never get there. But if you stop thinking,
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
measuring everything and know that your intrinsic worth actually has nothing to do with any of that that is when you can actually find not only like peace but i think like so much joy in life that is lost when you're spent seeking validation and seeking and chasing that I love the visual of putting down the measuring stick because it's just like, just put it away.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
in the car and like the seat buckle might be like maybe a little low the strap might be yes the buckle might be a little low on the chest and it's like how dare you literally worst mother ever you don't care yeah so her and her brother actually calculated that they moved and attended two new schools each year so they were just never able to like put down roots which i think is so destabilizing for a child to just never know friends long term to never have any other like long-term pillars and
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Don't make whatever, you know, measure you want to get to lower. Just put it away. Just put it away so that you can be fully present and enjoy the person you are in this moment. Yeah. You know, I just, yeah, I completely agree with everything you said. And she's incredibly powerful and inspirational and She's an icon. She's an icon. And she deserves this moment.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And I just think there's something really so special about it. So we are just, you know, we are recording this on February 18th, 2025. And we are just crossing every finger and toe that Demi wins her Oscar, her first Oscar. And so happy to do our first Pop Apologist profile. What a great way to kick it off. The one and only Demi Moore, everyone. All right, everyone.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
We will be back on Friday with an episode for our global elites. Bye. Bye.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Figures in your life that feel stable, you know, like you can have tumultuous parents, but maybe there are other adults in your life that are like stable. But then, you know, they didn't even know anybody for that long that wasn't, I guess, close family.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
No, I think that also like one of the bedrocks of a childhood can be your friends that you've known for a really long time who you have gone from kindergarten with.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
to high school those friends are like such cherished friends and I think that to not have the stability of those friendships when your house life when your home life is like really tumultuous that as well it would just be so destabilizing so she's really been through so much and sometimes you know it got a lot darker than just moving around so Demira called a time when she was 12 years old when her dad had decided to clean his gun despite being drunk and
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But no, we tend to focus on relationships. And today we're starting a very new thing. It feels right. And it feels overdue, frankly, that this woman, you know, gets a moment. You guys, welcome to the first Pop Apologist Profile. We did actually do a whole thing about why Anne Hathaway, people find her to be annoying, but I don't think that really counts as a pop-up. Yeah, I don't know.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
He didn't realize there was still a bullet in the chamber and it went off, grazing his forehead and putting a hole in the wall behind him. Demi remembers the blood everywhere.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
There was another time that she walked in to find her mom had attempted to commit suicide by overdosing on pills and her father enlisted her help to dig the pills out of her mother's mouth while her father held her mother's mouth open. It's just unfathomable. Yeah, it's so unbelievably traumatizing. And then the story only gets like darker from, you know, as she gets older, during teenage years.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
But she says that, you know, it was at this time that something shifted inside of Demi and she realized that her childhood was over and that the feeling that she could count on either one of her parents evaporated. It was like, my parents are, do not have it together.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And she realized that her parents no longer looked after her, but they actually looked at her as someone to like clean up their messes. Yeah. And it seems like there's a moment when she kind of escapes and they don't even want her to like live her best life in spite of them. It's like they want her in the muck and they get her back. They call the police to get her back.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I think, yeah, at one point she goes to like live with her grandparents or something. And it's like, you're a part of this family. You're not allowed to have any type of peace. You know, it's so backwards. Yeah. And you'll hear why. I mean, we'll get to it right now. Like why her mother really wanted her at her side. So Well, I think this is interesting really quick before we get to that part.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah. She says that she was always adapting as a child and moving and that really helped her with her career in acting because she was always observing people and figuring out how to fit in. She said she'd study the crowd and mimic their behaviors to blend in.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Which I'm sure helps a lot when you're on a set for three months and you have to get to know people really quickly and then you have a whole other... Yeah, and you need to become a different persona. Cast and crew to get to know. Okay, so after multiple moves, finally during her teenage years, they make it to Redondo Beach, California. They move there.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And around this time, Demi starts acting, and she got suspended from school from smoking at just 13. Jenny picks her up that day, and she hands Demi one of her own cigarettes on the drive home and said, go ahead. So it's just, it's absolutely wild. Demi turned it down, pulled out her own pack, and they smoked together. Then Demi asked if she would go to a club in the valley that weekend.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Her mom said, sure, but Demi would have to drive herself. She even told her that if she got pulled over, she should tell the cops her parents didn't know she took the car. So like, basically, like, yeah, and lie to the police. Yeah, literally. Like, this will make it so it's not our problem. Right. Here's your joy ride. Here's how to get out of it if law enforcement finds out. Yeah.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's just so crazy. Like, 13 years old. And I think also just, like, a time in which the world and crime was scary. In, like, the 70s, like, I mean, we're going to find out more dark things that happened, but just, like...
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
oh yeah take the car as a 13 year old go to this club so there's actually a story our mom tells from when she was i think she says she was four or five years old and her dad was driving home and he was a little drunk and maybe a little more than just a little yeah i don't know but he was drunk and he was driving home the police pulled him over when they found out that he was only a few blocks from home they said oh that's fine you're only a few blocks like just go home and then his like four or five year old is in the car
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Yeah, it doesn't count. It doesn't count. So without further ado, we are so excited because right now, Demi Moore, she is the moment. She is. She is getting so much buzz and hype and her road to this like glorious moment in the sun, it has not been a smooth glide path. Well, also everyone, people listening are going to be like, Demi Moore has always been a huge star.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's a different time. Yeah, and just a different attitude maybe around all of those things, around drinking and yeah. Okay, so she's 13 and she describes that her parents are heavily drinking and using a lot of prescription drugs and things were just fully spiraling out of control. And they decide to get divorced again. I think there was a lot of like, we're getting a divorce.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Then we're reconciling, blah, blah, blah. But during this particular we're going to get a divorce moment, Danny said he would only agree if he could take her brother Morgan, not her. So if he could keep Morgan in the separation. And she says that she felt incredibly rejected, especially since her dad seemed fine with leaving her behind, but couldn't do the same with Morgan, obviously. Yeah.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
I can't imagine. That would be so hurtful. So they move again, this time to Hollywood, and it was just Demi and Ginny living together like peers, like besties. During this time, Ginny loved taking Demi out to restaurants and clubs where men would shower them both with attention.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And it was there that Demi met another teen in her apartment complex named Nastassja Kinski, who was two years older than her. Nastassja was an inspiring actress and introduced Demi to director Roman Polanski. marking the start of her journey into the world of acting. Yeah, so Nastassja Kinski was Eastern European, I think, maybe Russian. And she didn't feel super comfortable with her English.
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261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And so Demi would help her run lines and stuff. And so they kind of became friends. I listened to an interview yesterday with Demi, and she was just talking about how struck she was by her. And she was just like, I want to do what she does. I bet you it was just a moment where she was like, that's what I want to be. This woman is glamorous. She's going to have this amazing
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Like, she's going to do this really cool career. And what a serendipitous encounter. So she's living at this apartment complex with her mom. They're going out together. You know, she's friends with Nastassia. And this is when that moment we talked about earlier where she finds out that Danny was not her biological father. So if you'll remember, you know, they just got a divorce.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
They're in the process of getting a divorce. And who she believes to be her biological dad is like, actually, I just want to take your brother. So she says that I think what happened is that I think that they were in the car or something with like her mom's friend or maybe her aunt. I can't remember exactly.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And she asked her, she asked her mom, like they're talking about the guy she was first married to. And Demi says, is he my real dad? And I think her mom says, who told you? Just like confirming it to her. Yeah. And her mom doesn't seem to have any sort of like contrition or any sort of like really emotional presence for her in this moment.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She just seems to kind of like be unwavering and just kind of like it is what it is. Yeah. Almost like she seems to be like caught up in the drama. I remember from the memoir, I kind of liked the drama of it. Right. Did not understand the gravity of what this meant to Demi.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And she'd always felt a special bond with Danny, the guy who wasn't her dad, basically, but not her biological dad because they shared a lazy eye.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
um and she got hers corrected when she was 15 and but they like she felt like he was her dad it wasn't you know i i think that with stories like this sometimes people can feel like i never really i don't know like she clearly felt bonded to danny and also felt like she was his literal offspring Yeah.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And I think what happens next makes it even more heartbreaking because she says that when Dani finds out she knows about this, he starts pulling away from their relationship and investing in it less, which is just so devastating.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
Like these girls are just like so out of their depth. We realize that. But I think that she's finally getting like awards for her talent. And she's always been an A-lister. I've always known who she was. But yeah, I didn't realize that she maybe wasn't getting the accolades that she deserved until right now, maybe. No. I think we always knew she was a 90s icon.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
So wild and devastating to think like, okay, this is the time actually when my child needs me the most, especially when she meets her biological father and it's just like nothing ever comes of that. Yeah. And I feel like it's
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
could be such a moment where it's like isn't it so special that our relationship is so magical and we have such a bond and it doesn't matter you know right but i guess it just wasn't that way and it's really sad so at 15 demi gets an agent and starts to get small parts in tv shows her first break was on a show called kaz where she played a teenage prostitute very wholesome programming happening at this time she earns her sag card for her famous line fifty dollars mister
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
It's so funny. I never saw that movie, but I even know that line. Really? Yeah. Oh, I don't know that line. Yeah, I never saw that. I never saw Kaz. This part is so... This part is, yeah, I think one of the darkest parts of her whole story. But, you know, around this time, she's 15. A man in his late 40s or early 50s named Val Dumas, he began taking a shining to Ginny and Demi, especially Demi.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
And he owned a restaurant named Mirabelle and began picking her up from school and stopping at the restaurant. for a bite to eat before he would bring her home. So I feel like it's just, imagine you are a 15 year old girl and this man in his early fifties is taking a shining to you and your mom, taking you out to lunch. It's just, it's weird. Like spending a lot of solo time with you.
Pop Apologists
261. PROFILE: DEMI MOORE
She says she didn't recognize the grooming that was happening at the time, but that there was something that did make her feel slightly uneasy and
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
Mm-hmm.
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
Exactly.
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253: Blind Items, Hollywood Breakups, and PR Relationships ft. Beyond the Blinds
Or whatever.
Pop Apologists
269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
Literally what she's saying is we will never know our capacity for love because we can't afford it. She's calling us all poor. Until you spend $400,000 on this 11 minute journey, you'll never know all the love that you have. Well, well, well, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Pop Apologist Podcast. I'm your co-host, Lauren, with my co-host, Chandler, joining today on the show.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
And they do a perfect job every single time. I will say a single bottle will last me a really long time because a half does wonders. I usually only take a half. I highly recommend going to earlybirdcbd.com using code POP20 for 20% off. Can we talk about my Dyson hair journey? Please. I have so many things to say. And I mean, I want to start, first of all, with why I'm offended. Oh, gosh.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
You know, everyone, I have beautiful hair on this podcast. I have been Dyson-ing my hair like throughout this journey. And you have never once been like, show me your ways. I feel like all of my advice that I gave to you on our Global Elites episode that was released yesterday was just totally discarded. And then you didn't even bother to act like, you know, you'd had any wisdom from me.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
Well, here's the thing. You go for a lot of times like a homeless, disheveled, like a model off-duty vibe. Like when you're homeless, disheveled, model off-duty. It's very chic. Try to walk that one back. It's what all the fashion girlies are trying to do. The look right now, and I feel like the look has been to look like you don't shower. You literally don't care.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
You don't even look in the mirror and you're extremely hot. Yeah. That is the look. And I feel like that's a look you definitely, you know, at least go for with your hair. You are seriously offending me more and more with every word. I definitely, here's the thing. I think I just, I'm going to go ahead and offend you back.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
You want to hear my first dark thought when I heard that they'd landed safely? I was like, okay, thank God, because all my snarky commentary from the day before stands. Right. Oh, my gosh. That is such a good point, because we talked a lot of SHIT on the premium episode for Global Elites. on this entire venture, on this expedition.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
I think that I am just a little bit more comfortable looking fugly on camera. No, you're less vain than me. And here's the thing. I just like a little bit more of a polished look. You don't go for that look. And so I'm not trying to get, no offense, but like your tutorial. But when I do curl my hair, like when I try to look polished, I think it looks excellent. No, it does look good.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
That is a good point. The thing is, is that we just have different strengths. I probably would also be fine with a more disheveled look, but I feel like I actually, unfortunately, need the zhuzh. But we're getting to in the weeds. I'm not trying to get you to look disheveled. I'm actually, I need to speak my piece on this and defend myself.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
I'm not trying to get you to look like what I look like disheveled. I have used the Dyson Airwrap correctly and had correct results. And I may not do that styling every single day because I'm too lazy, but I'm willing to show you those pearls of wisdom if you'll be open. I would love a tutorial. I think we should do a YouTube video. I think you should come over.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
You should do my hair like you do yours. I do like my hair a very specific way, but I would love to have you try it. I would love it. So yes, thank you, Chandler. I'm trying to wrap this up. Jeez. I mean, everyone, do you hear what she called me? Do you hear the way she spoke to me? Okay, proceed.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
You look really cute when your hair is just a little bit more... Listen, you look cute when your hair is limp noodle. I can't pull it off. And it's a compliment to you. I mean, I think it looks fine. I do think that I see myself many times on our reels and I'm like, you should try a little bit more, but I just can't do it.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
And the only way I'm going to be able to continue to do this podcast in perpetuity is if I can just make it work for my own effort level. So I don't know what that says about me, but... Back to you. Thank you, Chandler. Back to me as I prefer it. So everyone, I am using the Dyson instead of my curling iron because my hairstylist told me that the curling iron is frying off my hair.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
I think you should use her exact words. I don't remember. What were the exact words? Oh, she said I was on a bad path. You're on a bad path. Yeah. She said I was on a bad path with my hair and that I needed to get on a good path. And the good path included chopping off the broken off, fried off parts at the end, which left me without the length I so desired.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
But she said I needed to get on a good path. And that meant throwing up my con air and becoming a Dyson fan. girly. Anyway, long story short, I try, I'm trying to do it and I feel like I've had okay results so far. It's nowhere near as good as the curl I get for my $17 Conair. So it's really like a death to me, but I'm trying to do it. Um, and I just, I want everyone to know I'm on this journey.
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269: Katy Perry Went to Space. We Have Thoughts.
And Watch our Instagram stories. I'm going to be bringing you with me every step of the way. It's going to be supersonic. It's going to be supernatural. What did Katie use? You're going to feel more connected to love than ever before after Lauren's Dyson journey. I do feel more connected to love when I feel pretty. And that is a fact. Um, well, is that all you have to say on the matter?
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I thought, so this was just one big plug to watch our stories. Okay. Well, I'm very wary of like talking too much about personal chit chat because we've been told not to do that. All I will say though, is basically I did it again. I did it yesterday. I think I had better results yesterday and it didn't fall out as much. I did it today. And it's falling out already a lot.
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And I think it's because I didn't dampen it first. So that's my first hot tip for everyone. The second one is I got a very impassioned voice memo from a friend. I mean, should I play this? Play it. This is from everyone from the response. You need to follow. Yeah. There's a lot of people interested in this journey, everyone. And there's going to be timestamps in the episode. So if you don't
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And if they had perished, it would not have been a good look for us. We could not have weathered that storm. I'm not sure any publicist could have helped us, any crisis manager. In the same way that Blue Origin ejected from the Earth's atmosphere, we were going to have to eject from this career. If, you know, if, if God forbid the worst had happened, but thankfully it didn't, everything was safe.
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Give two shits about my hair volume. First of all, I don't want to be your friend. Second of all, you can just go to the next time to stamp. The Dyson came out like eight years ago. And like now, just now on this podcast, we are diving into how to use it correctly. Well, you're so on it. That is generally how quickly I follow beauty trends, which is not really good for me. Anyway, okay.
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This is like one of our good friends and you just mispronounced her name. I think you're having a psychotic break. Maren Ritting, M-A-I-R. How do you spell? Can you spell? I want everyone to follow her. M-A-I-R-I-N. R-Y-T-T-I-N-G. Anyway, if you go, I'm going to tag her on stories, you guys, but you got to follow her. She has great travel content, great clothing content.
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And she left me this voice memo about the Dyson and it's impassioned. And for anyone else who wants hair volume, I want to share with you what her key tip is. Okay.
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Quick thing. Are you playing a voice note at 2x speed? And if so, how are you doing that? 1.25x speed. I know. How can you change the speed? A true life hack. Is it a new feature? Because me and my bestie Elizabeth, we voice note literally every day, like 10 minute long voice notes. Um, Kagan is basically asking to stop because he thinks it's super excessive and codependent.
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But anyway, long story short, if you hover over the play button on an Apple voice note, it'll give you the option to play it quickly. Life-changing. Oh, that's an incredible tip. That might be better than any Dyson tip. You're welcome everyone. But here is the key to getting a perfect, you know, Dyson wave that holds.
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Is this not excellent? I mean, I ran to Sephora. I said, you are my hair shepherd, and I am but one of your sheep. And I toddled my little hooves right to Sephora. Toddled your little hooves. I've seen your foot size. Certainly not little. Girl, we are in the same shoe size category. This is sage advice from two queens, Maren and also Amber Fillerup, our other queen. who obviously owns day hair.
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It was, you know, a, a, what I heard to be, you know, a very predictable, um, you know, triumphant 11 minutes. And, you know, we were rewarded with even more cringe content post blue origin space flight. Can I play some of it for you? Please. I would love nothing more. I mean, most of the cringe content is coming from Katy Perry, I'll say. Um, so I'm just going to keep going in that vein. Great.
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I'm very excited for this journey. I would now like to try the day styling cream, you know, not just for a slicked back bun, but for, uh, but for like Dyson curls. So this is great. I'm excited to hear. I went immediately. Um, I'm super excited. So I will let everyone know how it goes.
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I think you're only concerned about speaking too much about personal stuff when it's me talking. Honestly, I just don't. I'm flagging that. I just don't know that we have a ton to get into today. So I'm just trying to mine my own personal experience for the fodder for the show. I haven't even been able to talk about my wedding and we've been recording for 27 minutes.
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We talked about your wedding like every episode. Okay, let's talk about your wedding. What are the updates?
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No, no, no, no, no. Actually, I do want to hear whatever you've got to say. But I just want to make fun of you like I love to do. Well, thank you so much. Well, Chandler, I went into Prada in Paris with my dear friend Elizabeth. And anyway, we were there. I saw these really cute flats. I gasped when I saw them. I was like, I must have these. They didn't have my size because I am a 41, okay?
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Which, by the way, it translates to an 11 in European sizing, which doesn't make any sense to me because I'm a demure 9 1⁄2. For sure. I'm not a size 11. You and Courtney both have some like weird thing where you like claim to be a nine and a half, but we're all tens. We are all a true 10. You have some weird foot dysmorphia and it's fine.
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I mean, maybe your feet are slightly more narrow than mine, I guess. I'm not sure. But anyway, that's, that's between you and God. Um, but it is weird because my wedding shoes, I ordered, it told me to order the 42 and I was like, no, I'm a, I'm a 10. Right. Right. Like I'm, I'm not an 11. No, exactly. So you know what I think it is?
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I think it's just that in, in Europe, you know, once you're in the gargantuan category, they're just like, here's the biggest shoe we have. Hope it works. All right. I should have said that with a French accent. You should try it. Let's do it. Let's do part two. Try it again. Here's the big... I don't even know that one. Madame. Monsieur. The bigot's true. We have. We opened books.
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Here we go. so everyone the video that i'm watching is her holding i think a daisy up to the sky as soon as she you know deboards um i don't know if that's a word and then she walks down the stairs and she then kisses the ground which is fine i think that's that's cute um but but let's listen to to her wise words you know after her 11 minute space journey
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It's a shack size Prada heel. Good luck. My friend says to me, cause the store clerk is like, you know, he just shakes his head. They don't have it. She goes, well, you know, it's, it's probably, it's probably quite normal. They don't have it. Cause it's like pretty rare. Right. Circus freak. I'm sorry you got let out of your cage for an hour to come to the store.
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She's like, they actually don't have shoes for hooves at Prada. Sorry. But that must be how interesting that you have this, this experience with your feet. No, it's, it's truly, I think like if I'm on one mission on this earth, it's to bring awareness that, to the way women with size 10 and above feet are treated by people in the high fashion retail world. Marginalized.
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We are a marginalized community. And you know what I always retort back? Sorry, I have model height, so I have model size feet. Why don't you just hear that pitch? Wait. Can we Google what size feet does Kendall Jenner have? Because this will bring me a lot of peace. But I know she's like an eight. If you're five foot nine inches. And let me just say one thing to the listeners.
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Paris Hilton is an 11. Uma Thurman, 11. Oprah Winfrey, 11. Kendall Jenner, 10. Kate Winslet, 11. Whoopi Goldberg, 11. Elle McPherson, 12. Tyra Banks, 11 and a half. But it's like, what size feet? Is Gigi super tall? Well, that's the thing. It's like, if you're tall, you're going to have...
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feet that would that can hold you up it's nothing to be ashamed of and yes we need to raise awareness about this it's not rare it's literally not rare here here's what's fucking what so gg's what 5 11 and she's an eight and a half Okay, why are you bringing – I mean, honestly, I bet you that's some, like, shit she paid for to get, like, the internet scrubbed. She probably paid $20,000 for that.
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She got a procedure to make her feet smaller. No, she paid $20,000 because I'm like, I would like to get that. Either that or she paid $20,000 for some bot to write a ton of articles on, like, WordPress sites so that when you Google Gigi Hadid foot size, the AI is like, Gigi Hadid has a demure foot size of a slender 8 1⁄2. Wait, can I get that for my 30th birthday?
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Can you pay AI to write a bunch of articles about how small my feet are? No, I can't. And no, I won't. Because I have decided to rein in my spending, which brings me back to my story, Chandler. So no, you're not getting a $20,000 30th birthday present. Like you're going to have to, you know, enjoy the diamond necklace on your neck because I spend too much money. I just do.
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I spend too much money and it's not cool. And girl, what? Let me just say when you came back from France. and I saw the mess of your apartment and the way that your things were littered about and all the new things, I had to swallow a couple lumps in my throat because you were buying yourself a lot. I literally just have no self-control.
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And so I went to Bergdorf's a couple of days ago and they had the same Prada flats that they didn't have in my rare size in France. And they had it in a 41 in black and white. And so I swooped to the black and the white. Okay. Oh, God. You really have no self-control. Both colors. But then yesterday, I went back and I returned them. I returned them. I returned them, everyone. Because why?
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I'm turning over a new leaf because I want to stop buying stupid shit that costs too much money. I want to start spending – I want to be like – you know what? I don't want to buy shoes that cost over X dollars. Cause that's just dumb. Like that is, I want to, I want to get some philosophies over how I spend money instead of like, Oh, I can do it.
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Not that I, not that I should or can or whatever, but I should, I want to have some discipline and I want to, it's just stupid. Like all this stuff is so expensive and it adds up. I Well, can I talk about a, an issue that I'm going through in terms of wanting to spend money that I am not supposed to be spending on a much, much smaller scale. So obviously Ben and I have combined our finances.
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You know, we are one team, one dream when it comes to the money in our bank account. And one flush, and this often leads to me not really, I don't ask for permission, but I'm asking for approval. I want him to be excited about me making a purchase. And he's never excited about any purchases I'm going to make.
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I'm sorry, but that is a really bad precedent to set. So I'm not really great at categorizing all the transactions that are made across our cards. He does all the categorization. So I know that he's going to see anything I buy. which is the way I like it. I want, you know, I want there to be transparency, but recently I was in target and I came across a brand new yellow Stanley cup.
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I have no less than 15 reusable water bottles in my house. It's an addiction for me. You know, I am literally, I think I am. Yeah. It's an addiction. It's a, it's an, it would be better for the earth. If you just use disposable cups for the amount of like metal and plastic it takes to make your, you know, 20 reusable ones. Completely true. But I don't see myself stopping.
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I mean, I don't use plastic water bottles. I really try not to. But I came across the brand new yellow Stanleys in Target. And it was a panty dropper. I'll go ahead and say that. Because I really wanted it. And no less than two months ago, we were in Target. And I bought myself another water bottle in front of him. And I was like, I deserve a treat. I'm buying myself this.
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I don't care what you think. Um, but you know, right now we're in wedding crunch time and I've been asked to not spend money on anything, not wedding related, you know, no, no extra purchases. This is, and so I looked at him and I said, I really, really want a $30 water bottle. I know it sounds crazy, but it's kind of, I mean, I know I could buy it.
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I can afford it, but it's a little bit on principle right now. Right. And I said to him, I looked at him with pleading eyes and I said, I really, really want this. And he said, I mean, you can get it, but I really, really wish you wouldn't. And I kid you not, I have been in a slightly depressive state because of this. Did you not get it? It's not been easy for me. I didn't get it.
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I still haven't gotten it. And I just feel like I'm going to feel guilt because I think to him it will show this girl has really no self-control. I don't need it. I want it so badly. And I'm hoping that he's going to surprise me with it, but I just know he's not going to. Yeah. Anyway, that's what I'm going through because of my wedding. So back to me. You know what, Chandler?
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At least you're not getting a Stanley, I'm not getting the Prada flats, and we're tightening the belt together. And we can share this journey. Yeah, we can hold hands through it. If only I had a $400,000 Blue Origin space ticket, and then I could feel more connected to love. No, you'll actually never know your capacity for love. I think it would really cure me. That's what we learned.
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Chandler, I mean, is that not the exact voicemail I left for you the first time I did Molly? Yeah. Um, let me just tell everyone, if you can't afford a billion dollar blue origin ticket. There are cheaper ways. There are alternative paths to feel connected to love. And I'll just leave it at that. It's like $20. Wait. When I first saw that, I was like, you know what?
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Seriously, if you're looking to stay on track without giving up your favorite meals, Hero Bread is the move. Get 10% off your first order at hero.co with code POP. That's H-E-R-O dot C-O code POP. Um, Walton Goggins and Amy Liu, we guys, you guys, we guys, you guys, y'all, we have an update.
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So if you didn't listen to our premium episode for Global Elites, we deep dive the drama that those two could be in love right now. And by the way, if you're not a Global Elite, this is a huge mistake. We now have a Monday episode and a Friday episode. So as a Global Elite, you get basically three episodes a week. Friday is a little mini. We go a little deeper. We share a little bit more.
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And Monday is a full, it's an hour and 10 minute episode that was very good this week. So you're missing out. Definitely become a global bully. But anyway, we went into the scandal that they potentially fell in love on the side of White Lotus. So we have an update on the Walton Goggins. Amy Liu, Saga, SNL posted or posted, they had a skit.
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parodying the White Lotus, basically Donald Trump's family as guests at the White Lotus. It was nothing short of comedic gold. I cannot recommend watching it enough. Also, I think the title alone, I can't believe it's been three seasons and we haven't had this from them before. The title is The White POTUS, which is so good. I didn't know that.
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How good is that? It's like 12 out of 10 comedy genius. 12 out of 10. Okay. It's so funny, everyone. One of my favorite parts of it is when they're sitting down for lunch and they're like... We are so blessed to live in America. Wouldn't it be so awful if America lost all of its money?
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We are so blessed to be from a rich country, which is on some level, you know, a conversation a lot of parents have with their, a lot of American parents have with their kids on trips. Yes. Yes, it was shocking, the parallels. It was hilarious. But one part of it that a lot of people found to be distasteful, including myself, is that
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They basically parodied Amy Liu's character as having bad teeth and made her look comically awful. And I think they made her look dumb. So there's, there's a, basically they parody all of the, you know, characters on it. And they do. Jon Hamm plays Walton Goggins, who's supposed to be also RFK. And then Amy's character is another SNL cast member. And they,
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but she's not really even representing like another person in politics, which is all the characters like represent a person in politics. She's just like a woman with really bad teeth and super dumb. Yeah. And it just, I think that it's, it's so cool of her to have not, I'm going to use, I shouldn't use this term, but like fixed her teeth quote.
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Like it's so cool for her to have embraced that piece of individuality and I've seen a lot of comments on her Instagram that are like, I just always used to hate my teeth and now you're so beautiful and I see you and I feel so much better. I just feel like it's a very cool personality trait that she has accepted this and ran with it.
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She is so beautiful and unique with it and is a very mesmerizing person. For them to use this against her and just make her look Freakish, basically. It just was sick. It was gross. And she posted that it made her sad and she felt it was mean. And honestly, the... like I didn't find her character on white Lotus to be dumb. I thought she was like more woo woo, but I liked that about her.
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And I don't think that her character was dumb at all. She was, she was giving a little bit of like not manic pixie dream girl, but like more laid back pixie dream girl, just a little more, you know, not tethered so much to reality loves astrology loves talking about hope, but no, I, I agree. Her, her character was not stupid. Yes. Agreed.
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So the drama here is that Walton Goggins reposted it to his story and, you know, he, he wrote on it, John, I knew I was miscast. Um, and then, you know, ha ha ha amazing is what he commented on the actual video. And so people, you know, are taking note of this because it's like, Hey, you know, Amy Lou Wood did not like herself in this, in this sketch and this, and she clearly had issues with it.
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She broke up with you. I mean, you got to listen to our premium app where we get into everyone. Honestly, my take on this is he just thought it was a funny sketch and he reposted it and he wasn't even thinking about how she perceived it. Yeah. I think this is classic, just like, um, you know, man brain who's just like, ha ha ha. I'm in this. And Jon Hamm is playing me amazing. Exactly. Exactly.
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So I think it's a little bit of a stretch to think that this was some sort of like, you know, dig from a slighted lover, but I like everyone's imagination. I think it's important in these times to use our creative inner powers, but I don't think that there's any veracity to, to what people are saying. I agree. I agree. Okay.
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There are a lot of girls in really tight booty shorts, corset tops, cowgirl boots, hair teased to high heaven, having this exact conversation at 2 a.m. at Coachella right now. I have never felt more connected to love. My purpose. Oh, my gosh. I don't mind that messaging. I love that messaging. Unfortunately... I just thought she was going to learn more about STEM.
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Well, let's move on to the kind of the latest in the lively versus Baldoni world. We haven't talked about this entire subject in a minute. There hasn't really been much, you know, new to discuss. But we did hear from a cast member who has spoken out on 60 minutes, Australia. Okay. So the cast member is Thea Spencer. And basically she says that she,
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She believes that Blake Lively mistook Justin Baldoni's kindness for weakness. I always think of the Lana Del Rey song and that she really did strong arm the film. And she kind of just like, she says that she finds it all hard to believe that he was harassing her. Yeah, she comes out strongly in his defense. And basically, I think this is a crew member, not a cast member.
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But I mean, tomato, tomato, who cares? Someone on set, another professional on set. Yes. And she is saying she had nothing but a great experience with him. Should we play it? I feel like we should almost play the clip. Yeah, why don't you play it?
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Wait, pausing really quick because the 60 Minutes Australia is so cute. Further from the man she knows. 60 Minutes Australia is actually doing the journalism we care about. It'll be like, girl loses 300 pounds in fines. A whole bevy of men after her. Today we explore what that was like in her psyche. It's very difficult for me to realize.
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I love 60 Minutes Australia because they just really get into juicy shit.
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Yeah, it's way better than Leslie Stahl talking about Afghanistan again. I mean, I'm just telling you. Wait, I love that. Also, we are not making fun of the Australian accent because I think it is wildly exotic and very chic and very hot.
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I would kill to have an Australian accent. The Aussie accent is better than the British accent. I think it's the top accent you can have. Agreed. Okay, here we go. Back to Thea. Oh, sorry. Excuse me. Back to Talia. I've been miss... It's wrong across the socials, but anyway.
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Yeah. I think we're, I think we got the point. I mean, I think the disclaimer is true, that just because she didn't experience what he could have perpetrated against Blake doesn't mean that it didn't necessarily happen, right? If you are a perpetrator of abuse, you don't abuse every single person you come into contact with. So I just want to give that heavy caveat.
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Like I thought that was kind of the point. I thought she was going to have like a crash course in STEM during the 11 minute journey. Yeah. Um, can I play another, can I play another? So this is Gail talking about the experience she had with Katie and how wonderful it was. You ready?
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I think we all are aware of that. However, I think it bears repeating that... No one is coming out against him except for Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. Listen, someone's on Reddit says, maybe I sound like a broken record, but there is a pattern with abusers and people who misbehave, especially on a movie set.
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The fact that no one else has come forward against Justin Baldoni after Blake Lively filed her suit says so much. The fact the worst thing they could find about him is that he's maybe too religious or too positive is so telling. Like you just don't start harassing at 40 years old on a movie set. That's behavior that starts really young and is repeated.
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I mean there's some there's some speculation there I don't think it's a hard and fast rule but the fact that really all that could get out of anyone who's ever worked with him was that he had he was overly positive and now we have a crew member stepping out saying like coming out against Blake this is not good for team Blake No.
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Team Blake, I feel like, has three people on it, but it's not good for those three. It's not good for those three, and I think this is why this whole thing needs to go to trial. We need to get the evidence in front of a judge, in front of a jury of peers, because right now, the accusations are very flimsy. Also, I just want to say one thing. We are still covering this, right?
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We are still covering this case. There just haven't been really major updates since He filed his amended complaint and she did her motion to dismiss. And it kind of like, there just hasn't been a ton going on. And there are some creators who have turned their entire podcast into Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni. You know, if Blake Lively sneezes, there's an hour long episode about it.
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We want to cover a bigger breadth of topics. And to be honest with you, we only find this case interesting when stuff actually happens. A producer makes a casual remark or makes a snide remark at a festival. We're not going to make an hour-long episode out of that. We're not a Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni podcast, but we are going to continue to cover it.
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So as the story unfolds and more happens, we'll be right back at the marble table deep diving. We're just going to wait until we have something to deep dive. Yeah, I don't want anyone to think we've been threatened into silence because we haven't. No, we have not. We have not been threatened into silence. And we are hoping to bring our reels back, everyone.
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But that will probably be in a short while. Okay. I think we should close out with the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion part two. I mean, a juicy reunion, don't you think? Great reunion. We finally got into the heart of, you know, the season and what was driving some of the drama. Mm-hmm. I still stand firmly team Dorit.
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I think that if Kyle was texting, I'm sorry, if Kyle was texting PK, no, that's what she was doing. If Dorit was texting Mauricio, and can we also double tap really quick? Why does Kathy Hilton call him Maurice? Have you noticed that? Or Mo. No, but she calls him Maurice. Is Kathy Hilton just so rich? She's amazing.
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And she's been mispronouncing her brother-in-law's name for 30 years and just no one dares correct her. Roll the tape on you correcting Kathy Hilton on something. What did I? Oh, no, you corrected her. No, I just made fun of her TV trays. And then I humbly on bended knee told her, you know, after she responded that I'm so sorry. And I don't even have a dining room table.
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I don't even have a table actually. This was a time when we had a lot fewer followers. And so it was very surprising to us when Kathy Hilton chimed in on one of our reels and was like, uh, yeah, sorry. I don't, we use TV trays. We're not pretentious. You know, we don't have a private plane or a yacht even like she basically, what did she say? She was, do you remember that?
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She said, all she said was like, she said like, that was just me relaxing at home.
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She's like, we're, we're, we're worse. Yeah. It was kind of sweet. Yeah. She put you in your place. It was sweet. She did. And Chandler was like, I'm so sorry I'm critiquing you from my 450 square foot apartment with no table. So apologies. Yes. I like humbly on bended knee apologized and then backed away. So yeah, I'm not going to correct her pronunciation and she's doing everything perfectly.
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So true. Maurice it is. Anyway, if Dorit was texting Maurice and Dorit was texting Mauricio about Kyle and saying, I'm not going to share stuff we've discussed. And also they'd had, it would just be such a betrayal. I just think that I just think that Kyle is a shitty friend. And this friendship is basically over. It's done. It doesn't seem like there's any hope for it. You know what I think too?
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I am excited to be here, excited to be recording. You know, it's been quite the news week, I would say. It's been a medium news week. But there are things that we need to talk about, and I'm excited to share my thoughts on these medium subjects. I mean... Chandler, why are you even saying that? Why are you not acting like this isn't an earth shattering week for humanity?
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I think that Kyle wants to remain in Mauricio's good graces. I think she wants to remain buddies with Mauricio. And because Mauricio is so tight with PK, she kind of has to be like guy's girl when it comes to the two of them. She can't be firm girl's girl team Dorit 100% of the way. Well, see, I just think she doesn't care about the friendship.
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I just think she genuinely doesn't care about her friendship with Dorit. So she's not going to go through the effort of making it right or of, like, actually apologizing and saying this was wrong. And to be honest, her saying, like, I have daughters, I have sisters, I am a girl's girl, I just – that's kind of like saying, like –
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father of a daughter, you know, like because there's women in my life, I I'm loyal to them. Yeah. I'm sure she's loyal to certain women, but it's just not Dorit. She clearly doesn't. Yeah. She, she doesn't respect Dorit and she doesn't want to put in, you know, the effort to make it right in their friendship. And that I think has been made abundantly clear. I really, Oh, go ahead.
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Oh, um, well you go, I guess. I think we're about to say the same thing. I really appreciated that Andy called out Kyle for the Morgan situation. Yes. Because you can't... He and twice. Yeah. I mean, you can't have her on the show, be visibly in love. Them at the tattoo parlor, she is frothing at the mouth for Morgan. You don't look at your friend like that.
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You don't show your relationship on the show, make an erotic music video together, and... And then act all – like people are trying to invade your privacy. Yeah, and act all cagey when they ask you to share the truth about it. It's just – it's annoying. Well, I thought the most important point that he made was that Morgan's a public person too.
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It's not about her. She wanted to talk about the world. I mean, we all know those people who sing. Yeah. and actually try when they're in, let's say, an acapella situation, and they decide that they want to bring out their singing voice. Those are the people we want ejected into outer space. Those are the people we do not want in our airfield or in our space.
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It's not like Morgan is just like somebody from obscurity. Yeah. you know? And you know, they just don't, they just don't want the spotlight. Like Morgan is trying to be a famous musician. So she can't just decide when, when she wants to be like in the public eye and, you know, appreciated publicly when she doesn't. And let me tell you something. I am a Morgan Wade fan, like super fan.
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I mean, I'm not a super fan, but I love Morgan Wade. I think all of her music is really good. I think she's extremely talented. And I only know about her because of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So she's certainly got some new fans from all this. Yeah, agreed. I mean, also, wouldn't you call yourself a Morgan Wade fan? Yes, totally. No, I'm not. I'm not, you know, silently agreeing.
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Silence was deafening to me in that moment because I thought we were too Morgan Wade on this podcast. I'm sorry that my silence was deafening just there. I did not mean to, you know, sit back and not agree with you because I also love Morgan Wade. I remember you like, you took me down to the beach in Puerto Rico.
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Like one of the times that I was there and you were like, just, you just got to come listen to this song. We were like sitting on the beach. It was actually, it was quite sweet. It's a great song. I mean, I think we're talking about psychopath. No, we're talking about wild days. Oh, Wilder Days. You don't even know the proper names, Maurice. That was very Kathy Hilton of you.
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I loved it when Maurice was listening to Wilder Days. You know that Wilder Days is the song that Kyle was listening to and she slid into Morgan's DMs after listening to that song. Which is... Right. Yeah, on her like drive back and forth to Aspen or something. Yeah. You know, trunk loaded with Birkins. What a journey for her. Anything else you want to say about the reunion?
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Anything else I want to say? Okay. One little juicy piece of information I have is that I was with some friends at dinner this week, Kagan's friends. Kagan has some friends who are poker players, professional poker players, and they have played with Jennifer Tilly. No way. What do they say? Basically, they say that some super rich people like to lose money playing high stakes poker.
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And it's just like a fun thing to do to get into like a six-figure game. I just want a $35 Stanley Cup. Yeah. Wow. Here's the one thing I will say about Jennifer Tilly. It was just funny because they said she was just very cute and funny and like just everything you, everything she is on the show. Jennifer Tilly seems to me like she's doing wealthy older women, elder woman correctly.
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Like she's just, she's happy. She's eating when she wants to, even if they're filming. She just, she's at the stage in her life, as she says, where everything is fabulous and she's enjoying it. And honestly, the frown, it's upside down, unlike Sutton. And I wonder what that is. Why is that? Energetically, they're very different. I don't know. Very different.
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Um, I would say also, I think Kathy Hilton is also on that same, you know, doing older woman, very wealthy. Well, what doing exactly what I want, wearing exactly what I want to dinner. Oh, such a journey. Um, there's nothing, there's no better way to say nothing. Everyone than to just say such a journey. I know. I was like, what journey? Yeah, such a vibe maybe would have been the appropriate.
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Nothing a throwaway expression. Such a vibe. I hope to be like Kathy someday. I mean, did you ever see the clip of Rick talking about Kathy at their anniversary party? I think so. I think Paris posted it, right? Yeah, it's super cute. Anyway, we'll just end this with a moment of hope for monogamy since Kyle and Maurice have let us down. Dreid and PK were never a beacon of hope to me.
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Well, what I what I love, too, about this little story is that not not only did she just sing, you know, what a wonderful world. Not only did she, you know, kind of give us a little chorus, then she went into the verse. I see trees, whatever she did. She like fully sang the song. It wasn't just like a little like, yeah, a little tidbit. Well, can I and you know what I how I would feel about that?
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I want to end with this very heartwarming clip of Rick talking to Kathy at their, I believe it was their 40th anniversary party, which is really an accomplishment.
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I mean, is that not a wonderful note to leave off on? In this perilous world, we don't even know if Brock and Michelle are going to stay on our Mount Rushmore of monogamy. Kathy and Rick are firmly engraved in stone. We don't even know if that's the one fight they have every single night. You know, won't break them. He likes to have the room cold. Okay.
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You know, we may not be able to offer you a Blue Origin 11-minute space flight, but we can offer you other privileges of being a Global Elite. So true, including Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Pop Apologist. That's a good schedule. That's a good schedule, everyone. Okay, love you so much. Thank you for listening. And we'll be back with you on Friday for our Global Elites. Bye. Bye.
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I would feel like I'm being distracted. I'm never going to be up here again. I'm never going to be – I'm never going to be flat out defying all flat earthers in this moment. I'm not going to be visually confirming the spherical situation of this planet and looking at the earth and being able to see it from that vantage point. Why are you distracting me with this acapella tune?
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I don't want to hear it. Also, I'm pretty sure Kate Burry isn't known for having – the most incredible voice. I think her voice is actually quite good. I think her voice is good. Yeah. Take it back. Now you're starting to walk it back. Um, I, but I agree with you, Lauren. I mean, think about the window that you're looking out of at that moment.
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And then you're like, Oh shit, I got to look back and be like, voice is so good. Like you are, you're now being held hostage by a performance, you know, in a tiny little, little dome.
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You got to perform for the performer. Yeah. Yes. No, it's such an astute point that I just made. Wait. What? Anything else? Well, I've got more tidbits I want to talk about. Well, I've got more to say about this too. So do you want to continue or should I? Okay, great. No, you continue, please. Well, one thing that I learned, because you know what?
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This is definitely like a little bit teasable, but these people are going to space. They're risking their life. There is something exciting about it. That's what I thought, at least, until I did a little research on Mother Google. Okay. On Mother Earth, on Mother Google. On Mother Earth, I went on Mother Google. What a wonderful world.
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And what I discovered, Chandler, is you also can book a seat on Blue Origin. You can actually go right now on blueorigin.com and book a seat on one of these... spaceships and do this 11 minute flight it's 150 grand deposit it's about 250 to 400 for the ride is what it says online so this is really just an ultra wealthy person's like wanderlust activity Absolutely.
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This is a full just marketing play. I thought that like the money, the proceeds, I don't actually know why anyone would be donating money to this, but like, I thought that somehow there was like some type of philanthropic end to this, you know, all these women donated the money that this ticket would have cost it. And now, Little girls, little girl.
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Now little girls can go on Blue Origin or can learn about STEM and string theory with Katy Perry. I don't know. I thought there was going to be some type of philanthropic thing. pot of gold at the end of this rainbow, but there's nothing. It's just literally like, book your ticket now. It's a vanity ride and it's marketing for Blue Origin. That's completely correct.
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And do you know what one of the most disturbing parts of this entire situation has been for me? The fact that Emrata has weighed in with some astute points. Should we play it? As I'm looking this up, I will say, everyone, that I was heartened and I did love seeing the, I don't know, just the very cute nuzzle that Jeff gave to a live girl right after she landed. You can tell the love is very real.
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Because everyone, I'm not sure if you've heard, but the first all female spaceship went to space and safely landed back on earth. And it included none other than our favorite Gayle King, Katy Perry, and a live girl, one Lauren Sanchez. Also, you are just fully forgetting about the other scientists on there. You're just not going to mention the other scientists.
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And I appreciate that. Honestly, though.
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I'm backtracking on like all of my feelings about the two of them because the fact that this was just a, you know, a highly expensive advertising campaign that truly like there are, there are greater issues at hand, wherever you stand on the political spectrum. I think we can all agree that there are greater issues at hand. Right. And I just like, I think the two of them feel very gross to me.
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It does. And the problem is too, it's not even like she's saying like blue origin is so exciting. I'm so like, you know, excited for more people to, you know, get this view of space. It's like all under the guise of like moving women forward. Huh? Right. You know, exactly. Okay. So let's listen. I think actually this is where Emrata can really weigh in and give some, give some thoughts.
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putting these women into space for what for what what was the marketing there and then to try to make it like i'm disgusted literally i'm disgusted honest and you know what she's she is completely right like this entire trip it's giving people are dying kim it's just giving like i you know what i mean it's just getting so out of touch and so silly and completely pointless.
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It would have been better if they had just like had to be all celebrities instead of with the scientists. Yeah. You know, like I just, we just don't, don't pretend we're not stupid. Well, I'm not sure that's totally, uh, the listeners aren't stupid. We're stupid. We are stupid for sure. We are stupid. Um, okay. I have one more Katy Perry clip to play. Okay.
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Can I just cut her off? I think we're good. I do think we're good. I mean, no, Lauren, I think you'll never know the amount of love that you have to give and the amount of love that you have to receive until the day that you launch. And that's kind of rude because none of us are launching. Literally what she's saying is we will never know our capacity for love because we can't afford it.
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She's calling us all poor. Until you spend $400,000 on this 11 minute journey, you'll never know all the love that you have. You'll never feel connected to love first of all. And then you'll never know all the love that you have to give. You'll never get that sense of belonging. It's actually, it's really setting women back. Well, also, doesn't Katy Perry have children?
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Like, what is this saying about her experience, you know, with having a new child? I guess that wasn't even close to her experience launching into space in terms of learning her capacity for love. I mean, let's keep going about this. Let's mom shame her now. I think we should spend the entire episode just talking shit on this expedition. I think that would be a great use of our time.
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No, we should probably move on. Let's move on. I also want to say shout out to Gayle King because I did see a clip where a news reporter referred to Gayle as an astronaut. And she was like, I can't claim that title. You know, Gayle King is a real one. I like that Gayle King-
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Gail King, honestly, she has leveraged a best friendship with Oprah into a huge glittering career as a journalist and now into an aerospace career. This woman has certainly, what's the phrase? Like made hay where the sun shined. She hit paydirt. No, I think it's- What's the phrase? She has like- Keep going. No, I think it's make hay while the sun shines. I think you said it right.
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That's because I'm not interested in scientists. Chandler, I'm interested in celebrities. So I don't even know who that is. Who is it? No, there's multiple, just so you know. I believe there's two or three other women with a scientific background. Women in STEM have never held a lot of allure for me. I'm more interested in the women on the red carpet. And that's my truth. That is your truth. Wow.
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I think that means more like you got to take advantage of something while you have it. She's just really- Yeah, she's taken advantage of her Oprah friendship. Done well with this Oprah connection. Here's the thing, Gayle King, everyone, here's the lesson. It's coming to me. It's coming to me. You never know the amount of love you have to give or the love until you launch.
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It's all about networking, you guys. Gayle King one day met Oprah and her life changed forever. And now she has seen Earth from space. And none of us have. So get out to that conference, okay? Send a LinkedIn message to everyone. You have no idea what it could bring into your life. And there we go. I know. I know. Wow. Powerful lessons from the Blue Origin space journey. I'm crying.
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Lauren, you know how we've been on a dead run for like the last week? Well, let me just tell you that thank God I had early bird to, you know, help me unwind after the craziest seven days. I took a full gummy and was able to literally knock out in the best way possible. They're so effective at just making your brain melt away.
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All of a sudden, like the rush of an internal monologue, all your anxiety, all the stuff you're stressing about, it just kind of gets muted and it just kind of like mushes away and you can truly fall asleep. It's incredible. They're simply perfect. I love taking a half if I'm going to unwind and watch a show. A full one is maybe more when I'm just looking to fully go to sleep.
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Can you imagine if you, for just people we know in our regular life, if we got a Christmas card from somebody and it's them doing charity work, we would rip them apart. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Really? I don't care now. But when I was a kid, my half sister, that's with my stepfather. My oldest sister has a different father. Just my sister and the second one and... And I'm the third. We have the same father. It's it's kind of complicated.
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No, there are. It seems like recently I feel like there are more and more stories. Like you look at the Kim Porter story. Yeah. Like a personal coroner was sent. I don't know. It's all weird. That's weird.
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I don't know if it's their personal, like they're on their payroll, but. There are certain people that seem to be the coroner for very famous people. But my question, number one, two things. What was in the toxicology report? And the second thing is, what was the tell all about? Was it about mafia ties? Was it about politics? Was it about like an uncle that was shady?
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I mean, it could have been one of many things.
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It could have been like the 25 recipes of the Obama family love. But why would he be on Martha's Vineyard paddle boarding outside the house that they rented if he was writing a tell-all about Obama?
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Yeah. It's not like that dangerous of a sport. And in eight feet of water. Yeah. Right.
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I don't think it's that... Far of a stretch of imagination all these years later, because I feel like if you go back in Hollywood, there were so many momagers that predated Kris Jenner. And it's just she was in the modern era. If there had been the ability for a sex tape for Judy Garland's mother or Natalie Wood's mother or I don't know, maybe they would have done it as well. Right.
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Did you ever follow the story of Chappaquiddick with Ted Kennedy? Yes. I kind of think that Mary Jo Kopechny was buzzed or drunk and got into the back of the car and fell asleep. And then he got in the car, maybe with another woman, maybe that woman got out. But when the car crashed, I don't think he actually knew Mary Jo was in the backseat.
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That's why I think he freaked. He was like, wait, what? And then everybody was like, we need to do something about this. Yeah, wow. People Magazine did a great podcast series called The Cover Up. About it. And it was about it. And at the end of it, I went, I think he didn't know she was asleep in the backseat.
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I think everybody was drunk.
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I think. In the aftermath, he was totally out of it. And then they were like, there was someone else in the car and he was just so confused. Yeah. I don't think he had any idea.
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I saw that and I was like. So people are so dumb.
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Yes. It was, okay. Okay, so her parents call 911 at 5.55 a.m. on December 26, 1996. They had been to a Christmas party the evening before. Now, when they arrive at the house, Patsy, the mother, is in the same clothes that she was in the previous evening at the Christmas party, but she said she woke up and put the same clothes on.
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What you should know is she was a former Miss West Virginia, so we know women that are kind of vain.
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Why would you put your same dirty clothes on that you had on the night before? She said she woke up in the morning, put the clothes on that she had the night before.
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Uh-huh. Went downstairs and at the bottom of the steps there was a ransom note. The ransom note was quite long. And it referred to a group called SBTC. And they wanted a ransom of $118,000 that they had her daughter. And she was not to call the police. Well, she called right away. She claimed she went upstairs and woke up John, her husband, and her nine-year-old son, Burke.
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And then the police showed up. The weird thing is the whole crime scene was destroyed immediately. The only room they cornered off was John Bonet's room. And they called all their friends and family to come. So they were all walking through the house too.
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Seven hours later at one o'clock in the afternoon, one of the officers says to the father, maybe you could look around the house and see if anything is amiss. So he walks downstairs with a friend downstairs to the basement and almost immediately comes back up and he's holding the body of his lifeless six-year-old daughter. And so there are two theories of what may have happened.
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One is that something happened within the home with the family and maybe there was an accident and it was covered up by the family. Or that there was an intruder. So the body was close to a window in the basement. There was a footprint that no one can figure out what the footprint is for. There were marks on her body. Some had suggested it was a stun gun.
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What do you think Judy Garland's sex tape would have been like? Her singing. Yeah. I think it would have been very wholesome and pure. I don't know. Cause later in her life, she was like smoking a ciggy all the time. So who knows?
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Others have suggested that maybe it was a train set in the basement. Someone was pushing it up against her skin to kind of wake her up.
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But the problem is, oh, and there's DNA in the underwear. There's no semen on the body or around it. She was assaulted because there was a garrotte, which is like a long stick with a cord attached, that was likely put inside of her that broke her hymen, and that was around her neck, and there was duct tape over her mouth. Ugh.
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And it's just the most puzzling case because there is the DNA, but it's a very small amount of DNA. And now the Ramsey family says they're frustrated because they say that an outside lab should be handling it. The Boulder Police Department has said we have worked with a number of outside agencies. This is still an open case. I don't know if we're ever going to get an answer.
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Okay, so you say there was DNA on her of someone else. But it was so minuscule, it could have been the packaging, the person that packaged the underwear. There's not like a full profile of it because it's so small. But we know it's not her. Her own DNA? It's not her own DNA.
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Right. Well, lots of people have wondered this for the last 28 years. There was a new Netflix documentary. I actually interviewed the director and John Ramsey is interviewed in it. And they believe that the police and the media stretched the truth and did such a bad job examining the case that the real perpetrator is out there somewhere.
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But there are a lot of people on the other side who believe that there was an accident that happened in the house and that in their haste to maybe cover it up that perhaps the mother had written the ransom note. But again, it's been 28 years. There's been no movement closer to answers.
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There was. And they add both parents and the son do a handwriting analysis. They counted out the father and the son, but it was inconclusive with the mother.
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Mm-hmm. There's also a 911 call and it's hard to tell. There's like a sound in the background and experts have tried to zone in on what was said. And it does sound like a nine year old boys in the background asking, what happened? Can I help? And John Ramsey is saying something along the lines of like, this does not pertain to you.
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But in an interview that they did on New Year's Day in 1997 on CNN, they say they were all asleep, including their son, until the 911 call was made or maybe right after that she woke them up. That would conflict with what they said.
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It's hard because I don't know if we'll ever have an answer.
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When they did the autopsy, there was pineapple in her stomach.
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Now, the party that they went to the previous evening, the host says there was no fruit at the party. So that would mean that she got home that evening and ate pineapple in her house. So she was up.
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A neighbor who lived diagonal heard the scream of a child. Now, she didn't look at the clock when that happened. And it was brief and loud. But she guesstimated that it was between 12 a.m. and 2 a.m. And then she waited to see if there were further sounds and after five minutes went back to sleep.
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They said they have no idea why there would be pineapple, but there was a bowl of pineapple on the kitchen table when investigators went to the house.
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Well, also, John Ramsey had lost a daughter in a car accident years before. So of the four children that combined because they had two together, that would be the loss of a daughter named Beth JonBenet. And if that were what happened, I could see a moment of panic like that would be three of our kids gone. Right. But he was also a minor. He's a minor. He's nine.
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Who knows what happens when people are in a frantic state.
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That's why I think we're never going to know the answer because it was so compromised. Yes.
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Also, it's compelling because it happened on Christmas. was this wealthy family. He had just sold his company to Lockheed Martin. So he was quite wealthy. They live in the suburbs of Denver. She was a Miss West Virginia. And the child, JonBenet, was also in pageants.
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So when you see the images of her with all the makeup on, I think that was the tipping point where people started to go, this pageant stuff is very seedy. And And then the question of, is it possible someone had targeted her because they were fixated on her picture or had been to a pageant?
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Wow.
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Too many people walking in and out. And then when the body was found, the father picked the child up and walks upstairs with the body. So that's ruining the crime scene around where the body was found. And then the bodies, you know.
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So you can watch the Netflix docuseries. It's directed by Joe Berlinger and John Ramsey is interviewed in it.
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I think that what's great about this story is there are so many different documentaries. You can just watch all of them and then... You know, listen, none of us work in law enforcement. Yeah. But we can certainly deduce things based on our own life experiences. And law enforcement has obviously tried for 28 years to get to an answer. So I just don't know if we ever will get one.
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That's pretty shocking. Well, the first thing is this family is so strange and mysterious. Did you know that high-ranking members travel with royal blood in case they need a transfusion? I mean, these are not typical people. Wait, what?
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They need to have royal blood. Wait, that is so weird and archaic. So I'm just saying if they do that, Lord knows what they do. Right. I am friends with someone who was one of Dodi Fayed's best friends and spoke to him in the days before the crash. They were not engaged and they weren't even really romantic. Okay. Oh, really? They were just great friends. Yeah. Okay.
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She liked the kind of like the escape from the royal world. And he provided for her with his resources. Right. Yeah. So when Mohammed Afayed suggests that they were engaged and it was this romantic relationship, it's just simply not true. Interesting.
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She had a conversation with the director who said, stop talking about Dodie. And she did think at some points that her phone was being tapped. What? I have the chills.
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Well, I just think people who have that amount of money and power, who really knows what they're doing.
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She wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Experts now say if she had been wearing a seatbelt, she would have lived.
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Or maybe they did, but someone confiscated that. But the one thing that just perplexes me is it does seem like someone did flash a light.
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Did she ever smile?
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She got a lot of flack for that.
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In this respect, I can understand how... for william and harry this would be maddening yeah like you want the answers like it seems like harry has said in his own book which i read and also in interviews suggests that it's not worth it to him to push for the answers because the answers may be so upsetting yeah yeah and he's and he said in the book it's not going to change the fact she's gone
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Right. And this is something I will say.
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Because he just looks so much like. Sometimes I think, though, that he looks a lot like Prince Philip.
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yeah he does have like a happy-go-lucky kind of energy that none of them have yeah charles and william they just both seem like like scowling i could see them getting you read the book it's fair yeah of course oh the one thing that again everyone's experience in life is so different and the lens you look through is so different but maybe it's because like my dad's total whack job but the way he talked about his dad and complained about him i was like
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he doesn't sound that bad about prince charles yeah it was like he sounds like a great guy oh interesting yeah i mean he definitely i feel like the fact that he didn't hug them when he let them know he's british i don't know my mom never hugged me and we're american like but he came in and he said darling boy i'm so sorry she's gone i'm so sorry darling boy That doesn't sound that bad to me.
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Darling boy's cute, for sure.
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like that's the family he's from and how do you shed that when that's all you know yeah well and here's the thing about charles you know honestly i take it back i like the windsors someone clips his fingernails you understand that right so harry's upset that his father is cold when he's never clipped his own fingernails his whole life it's true also if you hear him talking about gardening he's a very charming man and he loves he planned that city very funny
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Also sad that Diana got married so young. Like she was really kind of just pushed into getting married at a time when she wasn't even sure of who she was. Right. Well, I have so much empathy for her. Yeah.
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I don't think so either. I think that these men are like. He's no different than a celebrity on a reality show. The minute they get attention, women will just come and like drop trowel. They're like, what's up? And he has enough people that work in and around him to make sure that no one knows what's going on. Yeah. Yeah.
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She's like an earth mother figure. Yeah.
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I mean, the male. By the way, maybe we're making the assumption that she's not like, leave me alone. Right. Right. Right. You know, maybe she's like, go and do what you need to do because I'm not doing it, but we'll stay married and have this family life. Yeah. Lifestyle. Right.
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Oh, you don't think she does. I like to think there's someone at the stable at her parents' house. Yeah. And they're like, you're the greatest thing that ever came to be. You're like a great mom. You're so funny. Let's go play field hockey. And she's like, yeah, let's do this.
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I don't know. I mean, what like she went from a stylist organizing people's closets and to what her career became. It's just hard to imagine the conversation. Like if we don't do something, you're never going to make it hit because she went on that date with Nick Lachey and she was in the background with Paris all the time. I wish I was privy to those conversations.
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You are. Like I'm upset. Have you ever watched on YouTube? There's a series called, it's called Posh Life, I think. Posh. You have to look it up. So basically it goes behind the scenes of Tatler and they just kind of profile people. And there's this one American family that they're like expats and they're in their house. And is it just like the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous type of vibe?
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Kind of. It's almost like pre-Ladies of London in a way, but they're also showing the people who work at the magazine and how... What they put together for the magazine, how they choose like, well, you know, and Tatler would be like, this is the ideal country outfit and like how they're choosing it, who they choose to feature. I'm obsessed. Wait. OK. And it's a YouTube series. Yes.
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And it's called what again? I think it's it's called Posh. Posh. I think we'll double check on that. I think it's called it's from like 10 or 12 years ago.
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I don't believe in clones. You don't believe in clones? The only clones I believe exist are maybe for Kim Il-Jong or Vladimir Putin. Okay, say more about that. I just don't think it's too hard to make a clone of a woman.
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It just seems too hard to keep up.
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I mean, by the way, I'd be into it. You would. Can I have a clone who takes my kids to all their activities and I don't have to talk to anybody? Let's do it.
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It is.
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Well, my one friend's brother looked like Sammy Hagar and he would go places and sign signatures. But if you looked at them after five minutes, you go, and we don't have a match here. Right, right. So I feel like something would have slipped up. Listen, people who are groupies, they catch everything.
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You would know in three seconds. It's also...
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And like my daughter, my number three, she looks like the cute little girl in The Sound of Music. Okay, yeah. Gretel. Yeah. Yeah. not so much anymore. Right.
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Yeah, those were crazy times. Yeah. Those were crazy times. They kind of set themselves up for that. Yeah. They fumbled a lot. We still don't. Bad communications team over there.
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I bet you she doesn't even pay attention to the news. She doesn't read. I have heard she likes reality TV, though. Really? Yeah. They both like reality TV. They do like it. But I mean, she's probably so immune to so much of what the chatter. Yeah. Yeah. Has people around her that just keep her out of the way. Right.
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Thank you. I feel like I have just fit in right in. I'm one of the sisters. Your older, annoying sister, probably.
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That's how people who don't have such privilege live. Yeah. They have to interact with those people at some point. To them. If I ever met the royals, the first thing I would say is, let's talk about the reality shows you watch.
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Right.
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Okay, if I was with an adult man and he watched Disney movies, it's abort mission time.
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A lot of the stuff in Harry's book, I was like, Do you remember the part where he said Meg had been on Air Rwanda and the stewardesses were like, oh my God, you're Megan from Suits. I was like, they get access to the show Suits in Rwanda? I think he's just like a goof that just believes everything.
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Why put it out? I know. It's so weird. My sister, by the way, does this thing with her friends where they, I don't know if they've done it in recent years, but when her kids were a lot younger, they used to get everyone's Christmas card stack and like on the New Year's Eve and then go through them and just like roast them. That would have been in the pile because it's all self-congratulatory.
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It's like the white savior picture. Like, Everything in that is like congratulating themselves on their charitable work. And then the kids from behind from far away. And who's taking that picture? I just feel like they should do the photo shoot they really want.
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Can you imagine if you, for just people we know in our regular life, if we got a Christmas card from somebody and it's them doing charity work, we would rip them apart.
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256: Princess Diana's Letter Predicting Her Death... & Other Hollywood + Royal Conspiracies ft. Kate Casey
So do you think that they have another card they send it out to like people they actually like? I'm going to go with no because I think they're paranoid about photos. Yeah. Getting out.
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I think it's a series on Netflix. I haven't watched it yet. Okay. Disappointing. First of all, it's about Polo, and no one in the series explains to me how the game of Polo was played. Okay. Lots of their friends, I guess. They're executive producing it. Apparently, it was what he worked on for the last, what, year or something? Gosh. They're in it for three seconds. You barely see them. Really?
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Yeah. There's so much possibility, but you get the sense that you have somebody who has like their own view, like Meghan and Harry, their own view of what it should be. And the executives at Netflix were like, but no one will watch that. Yes.
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It's so weird. It's like no one's going to watch that. Yeah. No, I'm like, there's one guy. He's super hot, very muscular. His wife's probably a better polo player than he is. They're having a baby. But then I go down the rabbit hole. He was married before. Like, I need that. Yeah. Not even like this is how many players are on the field. This is how long the game is. Right.
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This is how much it costs. Like, none of that.
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256: Princess Diana's Letter Predicting Her Death... & Other Hollywood + Royal Conspiracies ft. Kate Casey
No, no, no, no.
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It's very Lou Anne Dulles. Yes. It's so Lou Anne. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, my gosh.
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256: Princess Diana's Letter Predicting Her Death... & Other Hollywood + Royal Conspiracies ft. Kate Casey
Imagine if Luann and Meghan Markle were at a dinner party together and they were trying to out title each other. Oh, my gosh. See, I feel like good times.
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But she does. But she probably does. We know she does. Yeah. But it's like she just would be too good for it. But by the way, that's most people I deal with. Most people are like, as soon as I tell them I cover reality TV, you know, I just don't really have the time. Five minutes later, they know every contestant on The Bachelor. And what do I always say?
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The smartest people watch reality shows because it's just a study of human behavior.
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Maybe that happened. Maybe she said, I will do it. So you have a choice. You can either support me and make this work or not. Yeah.
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Agreed, agreed, agreed.
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I don't watch Love is Blind, but I'll watch like the 600 pound person. Yeah. Yeah.
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They're all in the same pool of reality shows. Just more one extreme than the other. Yeah. It's like I'm too cerebral. I can't watch any reality shows. I'm like, you just told me you watch one. Right. Right. Right.
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You think? You cannot be on a show for 14 years. No one should. I don't care if you're a housewife, if you work at a restaurant. It's too much. Just runs its course.
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I kind of think it was more of that too.
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The Valley to me really is about a group of people that are in their thirties raising children in the same community. Yeah. And I don't believe like, I know they just bought houses, but it feels very much like you just bought the house to be on the show. Yeah. Totally. I like it where it feels a little bit more authentic. And I do feel like Listen, we saw them in their 20s.
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Most of them are now almost into their 40s, if not over 40. Can't we just let another story be told? What has been missing on Bravo, I think, is that 30 year old point of view of having a child and you're still trying to have a social life and you're still trying to be connected to your friends. And then you've got to have this romantic relationship with your partner.
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But then you have to be involved in all these like dumb parent things now.
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256: Princess Diana's Letter Predicting Her Death... & Other Hollywood + Royal Conspiracies ft. Kate Casey
They're not influencers.
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Exactly.
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I'm always happy when anybody has a baby.
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I mean, just go off television, get some help. Yeah, seriously. I hope Allie has a good support group that helps her realize that she needs to move on. Yeah, yeah. We didn't get to, well, there's one. This is a challenge for all of your listeners. I believe that Teresa Graves is the mother of Whitney Houston. OK. They look identical. Their mannerisms are the same.
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Teresa would have had a baby at 15 years old if Whitney was her mother. And I believe that if that did happen, it was because some sort of dark situation happened. And a lot of women had children during that period of time in secret. And I know I've interviewed an author who's talked about women that had babies in secret because they were pushed to do so. Teresa was an immense talent.
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She ended up joining the Jehovah Witness faith and basically lived a life of isolation. And I just wonder if on the backside of that is a lot of pain that came from placing a child for adoption. And if it was the superstar that was Whitney Houston. So go and look at the video and pictures of the two of them. I'm telling you.
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Identical. Identical.
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Yeah.
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256: Princess Diana's Letter Predicting Her Death... & Other Hollywood + Royal Conspiracies ft. Kate Casey
That's a great analogy. Yes.
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Thank you.
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I literally always feel smarter.
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Bye.
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Well, that was on the heels of Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson, too. Yes. And that was what worked for that marketing strategy, too. Yeah. Now we know in retrospect that from what Pamela has said, it was actually stolen from her. Yeah. A complete violation and haunted her for years. Yeah.
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Thank you. Oh, my gosh. So fun to be here, yeah. And we are here in Hollywood, so it just is perfect. It could not be more fitting.
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What surprises me more are the people that kind of encircle these celebrities, especially at award shows, and they were not freaking out because you know they were.
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Like, you're not going to wear anything. Like, how is anybody going to pay attention to the dress, which is on loan? You know, all of that stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, no one's going to notice you. In fact, they're going to make fun of you.
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And I think that's what's very well known director. And at the time that they were filming, January was filming a movie. He was the director. There were all these rumors that they were having an affair. And then I believe it was like the end of the year. And then by September of the following year, she has this baby. The big question was like, Who is the father?
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Because she had also dated Jason Sudeikis around that time. I'm telling you, that was when Us Weekly, People magazine, when the magazines came out, you would go to the newsstand and get a stack and just sit there and read them all. It was a glorious time. So the question was, who is the father of the baby?
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Now, I kept thinking to myself, well, we're going to know in no time because we're going to see what the child looks like. She was pretty stealth for many years. Kind of hiding his face. Okay. Recently, as in like a couple days ago. Oh my gosh. Found a picture. He looks just like Matthew Vaughn. No. He looks just like him.
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They remain together. Yes.
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Yeah.
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She's kooky. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Different personality. Is there something deeper going on there or no? Well, I just think when these actors, they work on movie sets, they become so entrenched in the story. And if there's some sort of romance with someone who's their opposite actor, it's I mean, it's notorious. They talk about love affairs.
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I am sure that there are a lot of babies that came out of affairs on movie sets. In this case, it was just between an actress or presumably between an actress and a director. But I'm telling you, go look at the picture and you tell me. Wow. That is so interesting.
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Well, gosh, you feel so terrible for her. Yeah. That's devastating. Devastating. Yeah. And their kids, too. What about the other kids?
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But it seems to me, like, usually when kids become adults... Someone will come forward and say, I am the love child.
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Right. I mean, children are expensive. Especially in L.A. Yeah. And if you're a married person and you don't want that person to come and have conversations with your spouse or your other children, maybe there's a little something on the side. I just like make the problem go away.
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I think it happens a lot. I had someone on my podcast that talked about how they found out it as an adult that their stepfather who had just passed away. had a child with a woman he had an affair with and they kept a secret. She didn't even know until her stepfather died. And that was somebody who worked in finance. He was someone who was very successful on Wall Street.
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I think he looks extremely similar to Justin Bieber. Yes. He also seems to have a little bit more moxie than the other kids. I don't know why, but then I'm like, is that a little bit of Bieber personality in there too? Well, and we all saw... By the way, we wouldn't discuss this or maybe we would in private if they lived in our town and she was the librarian. Yeah.
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But the fact that they're on a reality show, I think it kind of opens the door for conversations you wouldn't necessarily have about someone else.
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Right.
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Because I remember the moment where she said to him she was pregnant. She was in her closet. Yes. And he got quite angry. Yes. I could see the mathematics going in his head. He was like, wait, what? And he got very angry.
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So I just think it's very interesting. Also, let's not forget, okay, if this happened to somebody who lives in Topeka, you have people that surround that couple, whether they're together or not. They're both of their parents, they're friends, people in their ear saying, this is a decision you should make. Think about that for people who are celebrities. That circle gets quite large.
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You have managers and agents and other people that have fiduciary interest in that celebrity to keep a secret or to make a certain decision about a child. So that's what complicates it all the more. I think sometimes the people who are in the center of the relationship have their best interests, but it's the outsiders that have a way of convincing them of doing something.
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In that weird vortex, people make bad decisions. They meet people who don't have the best intentions. And in their attempt to remain the person that they want to be and the person they want to become, some crazy stuff I think happens.
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He's a 21-year-old and she's 36. He's a 21-year-old who's on the cusp of maybe some tour dates or some sort of business decision. And they may have said, like, this is going to cloud your image. This doesn't look good. And conversely, the same for her end. Let's say if this is even true. You're 36. He's 21. This might not look good. What is how is this going to make the other kids feel?
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We have no idea what kind of conversations they have, you know, behind closed doors.
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Well, maybe. But she's not the one who was pregnant.
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So who knows?
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Also, a lot of your decisions are based on your own life experiences and your own family of origin. Yeah. So maybe for some of them, they don't want the idea of a father, several different fathers for their kids. I'm not saying specifically the Kardashians. I just think everybody. We always go into every decision with our own set of life circumstances and lens.
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But just one child. Yeah. I think she has two. But did you guys grow up in a house where your parent had more than one child with a different spouse? No. Because I did. Oh, you did. Okay. Yeah. So four kids, three different dads. Okay. And I'm going to tell you, it does affect you. It does. Oh, interesting. Where you're like, this is so complicated. It's embarrassing to discuss with people.
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Yeah. So a judge will say that from the bench?
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Wow. It's pretty crazy. That is crazy. Someone wants to know, what should I do if my spouse has blocked me from all financial accounts?
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Yeah. Okay. What can be done?
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So basically you need to get away to get a support order.
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At the end of almost every divorce.
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What about if you have... I mean, I'm always so curious about this. There's a woman on Real Housewives of Orange County. I'm not sure if you caught this season. Her name is Jen.
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Do you know who it was?
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Like a celebrity or a real housewife?
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So you didn't catch.
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Well, thanks for getting the tea.
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It's not like your daughters have a podcast about pop culture or housewives or anything like that. Thanks for helping us. It's not a family business, I guess. Okay, well. Wow. You were talking about Jen. Yes, thank you. Back to Jen. So she has five kids and she's, you know, late 40s. Right.
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Okay, if you've never been in the workforce and you have five children, yes, a lot of them are teenagers, but still, that requires a lot of work. Does the court expect her to get a job?
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Like what age? What is that age?
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Like five? Yeah.
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Everyone needs to get a job basically.
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Wow. Interesting.
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Yeah, for sure. Dang, that's so interesting. So California is a no fault state. And that's, there's a lot of talk about that. My question is, does bad behavior ever play into a divorce settlement like an affair, given that it's no fault? Like, does any of that ever play into it? Or does it not matter at all?
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It's honestly a little bit jarring what an impact last episode made. Dad, a few people emailed us, and they wanted to tell us how great the episode was. Nobody emails us. Let me just say that. No one emails. That actually never happens. So we got someone sending us a straight email, so many responses in the DMs. I don't know. Dad, are you thinking of podcasting, giving up a lot?
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Oh, wait, are you talking about Tom Girardi? Wasn't he having an affair with a judge?
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Wait, Tom was? Like the Erika Jaynes Tom? Tom Girardi was, I believe. Look this, Google this while I continue the conversation. But I do believe that Tom Girardi was having an affair with like a blonde circuit of appeals judge in LA. Chan's going to corroborate that.
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Lauren, you're right. Justice, should I say her name? Sure. Justice Tricia A. Bigelow returned numerous gifts she received from Tom Girardi. Bigelow had been in a relationship with Girardi during his marriage. But yeah, that's her.
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An important lesson, you know, in life. Yeah. Sorry mom didn't teach you that earlier.
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Yeah. A lot of hormones, a lot of feelings. Yeah. A lot of, there can be a little bit of fighting.
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But even you just saying that phrase, she held you to a very straight course. I just remember hearing that so many times from my childhood. Like, got to hold them to a straight course. Got to do the morning fives.
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Or hit the ground running. Yeah.
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I think you could be a star.
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It's true. Oh man. What other fights can we get into? I know. I know. I was obviously your, your perfect child. So, I mean, I was pretty easy to raise. Let's be honest. Who your favorite is. And you can share. I think you can share. Also favorite feel like too strong of a word.
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If you had to do it over again, would you still have six? I feel like that's too many.
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Well, the men these days are not the same. I know, they're just not the same. I can't even imagine a man saying that, you know, we need to have a fifth child.
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Yeah. This is why I think religion is good for men. It's true. Because I feel like it provides depth, you know, there's real depth. Religion. Yes. Because I feel like that came from an impulse that's like our family is not complete. And I think that came from a religious, spiritual feeling. And I think that in our godless world, that's happening less.
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You know, and it shows, you're still thinking clearly. You know, thought A leads to thought B leads to thought C, which we appreciate.
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Yeah, it makes me sad the way it seems like, you know, people go from obviously being in love with people to hating them and vilifying them. And suddenly they're, instead of the best person in the world, the worst person in the world. And like what a horrible outcome of like that would be. I have a question though, going back to kind of like you've been practicing law for 33 years.
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Do you feel like people are getting divorced now more easily? Like do you feel like people come to your office with less severe reasons or less having thought it through? It's like more impulsive. Do you feel like there's been any sort of shift?
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Okay. Well, I'm glad that was actually the first question. So I'm glad that's out of the way. Well, let's get to some other hard hitting questions. Now that we've cleared that up. I mean, any other, any drugs you would try?
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Yeah. Because all that money you're fighting over, you can spend a lot of it on the process.
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Right. And I think the toll it takes on your kids to see you in that battle or in that state of
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Yeah. Well, I mean, you mean like, you know, move to a place of peace. Your kids can enjoy their childhood as quickly as possible.
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So it can be like the least disruptive. I got to say, just like, I don't want people to think who have gone through divorce and our audience that like, we're trying to say though, that,
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Like, I just think that it's entirely possible and we would all agree that it's better for kids to have divorced parents and live in two peaceful households than one volatile, chaotic household where the parents are at each other's throats, right? Yeah.
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Right. And you're affected by parents who have a bad relationship. And yeah. I guess I have a question. Like, let's say there's a mom right now listening or a dad of like a two year old. Is it better to get divorced when your kid is two than when they're 10? You know, when they won't have any memory of a single household and maybe they can kind of like avoid.
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It almost seems like better to do it earlier rather than later.
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Okay, my next question for you or another question from our listeners is why did you choose family law?
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Yeah. One thing that always impresses me is how you went to law school like at night, like you had a full time job and, you know, you and mom had three kids and dad went to law school at night. And I can't even fathom that. Mm hmm.
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What is your favorite thing about Debra?
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I feel like also there might be someone listening, or at least me specifically, I didn't know what I was going to do in my late 20s. And starting any sort of like master's program or graduate program,
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felt like so late but it's just so interesting because like for us your career has been lost almost four decades essentially or three and a half it's been a very long time even though you started later than most people it's that hasn't been in any way like defining for your career and so I just think that like life is so long yeah and if there's something you want to do even if you're 40 years old I mean you can still have a 30-year career
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And it's really so true. Like that time is going to go by no matter what, whether you're working towards the thing you want to work toward or not. And it's it's crazy. There's a lot of I have a lot of friends who want to start brands or they want to start like some sort of influencing thing. And they think, oh, it's too late. And I just think that.
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Yeah, like that time is going to pass regardless. Like when we started our podcast and stuff, you know, it's taken five years to really kind of get it off the ground. But we could just be starting now, you know? Right, right.
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and there was just no way to salvage it. Our editors tried their best. The sound is coming from our cameras, but it's just barely intelligible. We actually sound a little drunk. Anyway, long story short, we are releasing this episode as a bonus episode for everyone to listen to, so you can still get your Wednesday Pop Apologist fix with excellent audio quality. I love this episode.
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And the companionship is the thing. That is your favorite thing.
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Yeah. It's the American spirit.
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Yeah. So important. Yeah. Yeah. Another question, if you don't mind. Back to, you know, the nitty gritty. Someone wants to know how to make sure you get a fair prenup when you're not the rich one.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's very sweet. Okay. Staying in the familial domestic realm, someone wants to know, best tips to raise confident, successful children. They must have seen Chandler's LinkedIn.
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I remember I was dating this guy when I was 21 and he was 29 and lived in Salt Lake and I was at BYU and dad found out that we were splitting everything and you were just like not happy. about that. You just thought that was just so tacky and just so inappropriate, given that I
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Yeah, I did a lot of, like, mountaineering types in Utah. And I think those were nice guys. I just, at the time, I was prioritizing hotness above all else, even physical safety. And, you know, I learned my lesson, though. I learned my lesson with those types, yeah. Quite interesting. I appreciate the kind words.
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Mom, you can't do the cue cards, okay? You can't feed dad lines. No, just kidding.
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Yeah, we're very lucky in that way.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. We're so lucky that way. I mean, just going back to the servers thing, actually, I wanted to actually get to that. That's what was embarrassing. I remember telling you about this because we were servers and we were friends with all the people who were kind of in like the nice restaurants where I went to college in Provo.
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And so when my boyfriend and I would go to like restaurants to eat, we would always put down two cards to split it exactly. And anyway, I think I told you this, but I said, can we just switch off? Cause it's a little embarrassing for me. Like, like it's just like a little, we're really splitting it down the middle. And he said that if we do that, it'll never really be equal. Oh my gosh.
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You were not happy.
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Well, I feel like I do want you to answer this question. Cause I think it'd be interesting and you can probably give a politically correct answer, but which daughter were you most confident in when she flew the nest?
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Yeah, but then I couldn't have done this with her. That's true. I mean, I personally was not meant, I think, to be under a lot of pressure. It's just too much for me.
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She was not meant to be under a lot of pressure.
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Right. Yeah. Right. Don't want the mushrooms to interfere with that as well. With their horsepower. Yeah, absolutely not. Okay. So let's like bounce back and forth. I'm just glad you're sitting back, Chan. You don't need the questions.
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Yeah. What careers do you see people going into that maybe don't, you know, are in a marriage, do get divorced, do need to find a profession? What careers do you see a lot of people going into later in life who have not been in the workforce?
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And I mean, one of the careers I think is like really great for someone who, I don't know, maybe wants to work in that profession, but maybe wants to do something a little bit less high pressure is going into like aesthetics once they have that nursing degree. Because you can make really good money doing- Like doing injectables. Like doing injectables, doing all that stuff for sure.
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I'm curious, Dad, do you have any like crazy stories? Like what's your wildest- A few wild client stories would be amazing. Also, if you can, have you ever represented a celebrity?
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It's a family affair. Just allow me to handle it. I didn't want to bring my iPad over here. You can be the co-guest with dad. I'll ask you some questions. Seriously, put it down. Okay, great. Okay, so question for you, dad. Someone wants to know.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. No, it's good advice. I think that speaking to the celebrity attorney thing, I just think there's always a subset of people who just want to pay the most because they think whatever, they're going to get the best quality.
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Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's good advice. Sage words.
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Yeah. No, it's true. I mean, it's so true. And I think that Chandler and I talk about this, or we're talking about it. I think we were not raised in a family that was obsessed with status.
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So we were not raised in a way that was like, it's really important that you go to an Ivy League school and you get into, you know, you get this sort of job so you can send your kids to this sort of private school.
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Like I think one of the things that I didn't even know that world really existed where a lot of people, I think this can be more of an East Coast sensibility where there's just a lot of judgment of people. And pedigree. A lot of pedigree like, oh, what school did you go to? What school did your dad go to? Oh, you're the first person in your family.
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OK, so that's not as good as like from a family where everyone's gone to the nice private school and then the nice university and all that stuff. And I just think that like all of that stuff is so shallow and it's so unimportant. And I just think it's such a blessing to be raised without even a knowledge that people care about that.
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You know, because it's it's silly pressure that then kids will put on themselves. And it just it frames your whole way of looking at the world in a really like kind of archaic way.
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Yeah, for sure. Well, on that note, you guys, it's so great to have our dear dad back again. I would say, where can people find you? But I don't think you're looking for Instagram followers, but hopefully we'll have you back for a third time at some point.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. No, that's so true. And I think double tapping on that a little bit, you know, you and mom had expectations of us. And I think it can be easier to not have expectations and to let things slide because you don't want to deal with the resistance teenagers will provide when they have to do chores or have to abide by certain standards.
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And so it takes more effort to be that kind of parent.
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via like our religion or whatnot. And I think that that really, it was important. And I think we saw like people who modeled like a great life. Yeah, I think one of the great things about Mormonism is it really forces children to interact with adults that are not their parents on a very regular basis, right?
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It's an episode we recorded with our dad. It's very soulful. It's very sweet. And it's all about, you know, if you are going through a family law matter or just like how to have a great marriage, questions about our family. It's a really, really wonderful episode. We always intended for this to be released to the public at some point, but we've just been kind of keeping it on ice.
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You have all these like meetings and it forces you to be more social and more socially graceful than I think you would be if you're really just interacting with your teacher and your parents and saying hi to your friend's parents.
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And I think that there's an ability a lot of Mormon kids have to really look an adult in the eye, say hello, ask questions, and not to say that other children do not. But I think when you're raised in an environment where you are forced to be an active member of a community, it's a really good thing, regardless of denomination, creed. Yeah.
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I mean, I'm just I was just going to say Lauren had a little like housewarming thing on Saturday before we came out here. And the majority of the people there were like Mormon or were still.
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Right, but colloquially it's like known as Mormonism. But yeah, that's not the official name. But anyway. Okay. Into the matter at hand, into the law of it all. We'll hit some other family questions and we'll sprinkle those in. But for anyone listening who did not catch our first interview with our dad, our dad is an esteemed family law attorney. How long have you been practicing family law, Dawn?
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Okay. So has domain expertise. And one of the things I think a way we can generate value for our listeners is answering some of their questions, things they're facing. This was an interesting question. They said, can the court step in if they think the parents have named a child something outrageous?
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But the court's not going to step in.
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Okay. For a little LSD. Okay. Nice. Okay. Well, you know, crack a few jokes yourself, Jen. Carry the load. Why don't you? Here's a question for you, Dad. Are you ready? Can I go after my ex for lying about his income in order to pay less child support?
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We originally released it for premium. So anyway, we're so excited for you guys to hear this episode and to, you know, have everyone hear more from our dad who we just love so much and is truly a star. When we first had him on the pod, people begged for him to come back. So, so happy this one's being released today.
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And how often do people get away with that?
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Temporarily, okay.
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Right. And our coverage. And then you think you're going to defend yourself. And I'm actually going to depose of you. Depose. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, we're going to get to it. But the manifesto sheds a lot of light on this person's state of mind, on Luigi's state of mind. So the victim, Brian Thompson, was CEO of United Health Group, as we said, and he had two sons.
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The NYPD and the FBI both offered rewards for the arrest of the suspect. Ten grand from the NYPD and 50 grand from the FBI. I think that what was interesting and kind of shocking to everyone was how the Internet, you know, before it became a thing that he was hot. Yeah. Before that was something that was a big part of the conversation. The people were still cheering on this act of violence.
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Oh, yeah. It was like this guy had it coming. Yeah, exactly. This is like one of the most hated CEOs, C-suite people and, you know. This is the type of person who has it coming for them. Well, and I think that United Health Group, if they really have 2x the average rate of denials of other companies, it makes it even more blatant what this was all about. Right. There's clearly a pattern.
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with this particular company. And I think I don't want to speak out of my depth here because I don't know a lot about this subject, but I just, you know, obviously healthcare is a broken thing in the United States and is a broken system. And people have a lot of discontentment with it and feel like the healthcare companies just take advantage of them.
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I think that the tricky thing is, is you've never experienced what it's like to not be able to afford your medical care and have a health insurance company that you've paid faithfully monthly, essentially like denying you coverage, which you and I both have been lucky enough to be healthy. Yeah. We've never experienced, I would say, any type of extreme health issues. Yeah.
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Yesterday was just like extremely chaotic, stressful, just unpacking and getting everything situated. Yeah. We had a lovely day together. Are you going to mention me? I was going to say you were there, so it feels weird to tell you about it. That's all you got to say is that I was there. I mean, you guys, it was so cute. Chandler was like, I want to be there for the first day.
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And I think no extreme situations with health care companies. I will say, though, I do know what it's like after working in a couple different corporate jobs to have baseline insurance and then what it's like to have great insurance and how it feels super arbitrary what you get. Like, depending on the job you work at, your company provides you with health insurance, right?
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And I am fortunate enough to have great health insurance now with my current job. With my previous job, it was not very good at all. And I was paying through the nose for things that I didn't. I shouldn't have to pay through the nose for if money is coming out of my already very low paycheck.
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I think that was the really shitty part is that I was, you know, working at a job where I was paid very little and my health insurance was terrible. Yeah. And so it was just like, wow, like I just feel like the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Right. And I think that is just one obvious, that's a very real story, but it's like,
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such a small pain compared to the people that... And I'm not trying to diminish what you're saying, but I think that it's important to be aware that the people who are so sick, they don't have a... Totally. I'm not trying to say that... Like, oh, I know what this experience is like.
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I'm just saying like I have seen in small ways on my own small experience how health insurance can like make or break you financially. Right. And also we know people who had cancer and who racked up insane medical bills from, you know, it's just it feels like you can really get kicked while you're down. Thanks to insurance companies, even though you pay them faithfully month after month. Right.
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And it's very interesting that we're the richest country in the world and we have this broken system. Right. Anyway, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. So back to this killing. So after the murder in cold blood, the rumor was that he kind of like disappeared into Central Park and they just couldn't find him.
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Five days later, he was recognized 250 miles away in Pennsylvania in a McDonald's by a customer who recognized him from all the media showing his photo. Kind of like very faint photo we had. Yeah. I think that actually that photo was from him checking into a hostel. Yeah. And also, that photo was everywhere. It had been meme-ified.
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It was not just, like, I think it's worth noting that this wasn't, obviously, it was, like, you know, a security camera still, but it was everywhere. Right. Like, I could probably do a sketch from memory of this guy.
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Just from all the memes I saw. Yeah. Well, and I think that it got meme-ified because he looked really cute in the photo. Mm-hmm. That's right. Like wildfire that he was hot. OK, so police arrived to the McDonald's and found that Luigi had multiple fraudulent ideas on him, a U.S.
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passport, a firearm and a suppressor similar to what was used in the murder and a handwritten document that speaks to both his motivation and his mindset. So according to the New York Times, the manifesto found on Luigi Mangione mentions UnitedHealthcare by name, noting the size of the company and how much money it makes, according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document.
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The manifesto also broadly condemns healthcare companies for placing profits over care. So a little bit about this 26 year old. He's from a wealthy Baltimore family and attended high school at the Gilman School in Baltimore, where tuition is nearly 40 grand a year. He was an athlete and also class valedictorian. He attended Penn for his bachelor's and his master's degree.
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So what's interesting, I think, and captivating everyone so much is that this is a guy who does not really fit the bill for what you would expect. Usually, you know, like the Unabomber and like the... They're like outcasts. They're total outcasts, exactly, and losers. And this guy was, by all accounts, a real winner. Yeah.
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It's okay if you cry. I don't think that's going to happen, but I did find it to be super cute. Chandler was like so excited for me when she came over. And when I got upstairs because she, you know, got in without me basically randomly while I was checking out something downstairs or getting a package.
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He lived and worked in Honolulu, where he worked remotely as an engineer for Trucar and lived in a co-living community. So like a what are those called? I think it's like a commune. Right. I don't. Yeah. I mean, I don't have any details. I can get into the details of his arrest.
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Officers found a 3D printed pistol and a 3D printed silencer in his backpack consistent with the firearm used in the shooting of Brian Thompson. First of all, that is really scary to me that the mortar weapon was potentially 3D printed. There was also a three-page written manifesto, and the police said, quote, it does seem that he has some ill will towards corporate America. End quote.
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Police have not named a formal motive in the killing of Thompson. In the manifesto, though, Luigi allegedly admitted to working alone, stating, quote, to the feds, I'll keep this short because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone.
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The note then added, I do apologize for any strife or traumas, but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. So one interesting thing about Luigi is that he had a very serious back injury. So Luigi's friends in Hawaii told various news outlets that he was suffering from debilitating back pain.
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Luigi left Hawaii to get back surgery last year since his spine was misaligned and said his lower vertebrae were almost a half inch off. And I think it pinched a nerve. Luigi had confided to close friends about not being able to date people because being physically intimate, quote, with his back condition wasn't possible. Okay, so Chrissy, who helps on the podcast,
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messaged me this morning about this connection. Okay. About this back pain that Luigi has. And she shared that she thinks that, well, basically let's just hear what she has to say.
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I had the same thought. It's so, it was just so funny. Cause I'm like, Chrissy, you are so right. I need to ask Kagan what insight he has into the state of mind of Luigi. I mean, I'm with Chrissy on this one because I asked, cause I'm, thank God I've never had a slip disc or back nerve and you know, pain, but I know it can be debilitating. Is it impossible to have sex? That's a great question.
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So Kagan, can you call him? Kagan's back pain is not nearly that bad. Okay. To where it's, you know. You just have to be on top all the time. I just thought that would bring a moment of levity and it sure did. Yeah. Well, Chrissy and my mind were on the exact same page because I was like, oh, Kagan can speak to this because I know he has back pain. Yes.
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Anyway, I walked in and there was a beautiful little welcome package from her with a homemade baked loaf of bread, of sourdough bread, some gorgeous peppermint Oreos, and a beautiful, beautiful vase of flowers. So anyway, it was so, so nice. Thank you, Chandler. Why am I talking like this? That last little part made it feel like less sincere. Thank you, Julie.
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I think that back pain obviously ranges in how debilitating it is and its pain level. It's a monolith. Anyway, I just thought that was like very cute and funny. Okay. So Luigi had withdrawn from his family and friends.
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before this incident for a matter of months and there was a clue on his goodreads that you know his state of mind was shifting he actually left a review for the unabomber's book yeah and this review said it's easy to quickly and thoughtlessly write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies but it's simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out to be
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The review also quoted another person's take about how violence is necessary to survive. OK, so the public response to this murder has obviously been outrageous with a lot of people really coming to his defense. OK, the photos of him that have emerged now that he's been identified, he really is gorgeous. He's like the Internet's crush, I would say right now. Menendez brother step aside.
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He's looking good. OK, so some of the comments are that I saw on TikTok was he's young and smart. Let's not ruin his very promising future over this because he's like, you know, to pen is obviously very accomplished. I think, too, it sounds like he comes from a wealthy family. Yeah. Which is very interesting to me. Someone put me at the top of the list for his conjugal visit.
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How much is his bail set for? I got him. Luigi is not guilty. He was with me all last week. So there's a bunch of funny TikToks. People are like, actually could never have done it. I was with him. And then the only time he left my side was to go feed the homeless. I'm curious, though. Yeah. Was he trying to not get caught?
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Like, I want to unpack his being arrested and especially all the things that were on his person when he was arrested. You'd think if you didn't want to get caught. Right. And if you were, you know, hoping that you could deny the crime, if you did get caught, you would get rid of all that stuff. Well... It's such a good point.
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And I was listening to a podcast this morning that was kind of taking a more conspiratorial route. And they were like, there's just no way any of this adds up. And I think what their thesis is essentially, because of course the conspiracy theorists are already like, they always have an idea for how this was set up actually by the government so that we can take away gun rights. Right.
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So they were saying it doesn't add up that he had all that on him. Well, they were just saying, like, it makes no sense. So this guy figured out where Brian Thompson was going to be, obviously, like, was a very smart, accomplished person. And then he didn't know to just to get rid of all the evidence. Right, right. To, like, get rid of the murder weapon.
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There's a lot of dumpsters between here and, you know, wherever he was in Pennsylvania. Yeah. Exactly. So a lot of people are very suspicious of this and think that none of this makes any sense. Also, the fact that he would go to a McDonald's, you know, doesn't make any sense that he would leave some paper trail. You would think that you would just go into hiding.
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Also, I listened to the police announcement when they apprehended him. It was just so funny because they were like so self-congratulatory. They're like the NYPD and the police department of this Pennsylvania town worked in concert to like apprehend this murder. And it's like, I'm so sorry. No, like a McDonald's employee and customer figured out where he was. Like not the NYPD, not any police.
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Right, right. Well, and on the podcast that I was listening to, basically they said that sometimes the police selectively only release certain details so that the person can kind of like settle into thinking that they kind of got away with it. Like, for example, saying we're looking for them, but they might actually have an idea of where they are. Yeah.
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In a small radius, but they want that person to act normally or to get comfortable and make a mistake, like go to McDonald's. Were you listening to the NYPD's podcast? Sounds like a very pro-NYPD podcast. What am I supposed to say to that? No, I'm actually, Chandler just motioned to her ear like she was like getting, you know, like someone was telling her what to say.
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Why don't you clear your throat and say thank you with your chest? It's getting quieter every time. Are we going to make it through this episode? We're going to do our darndest. I'm concerned because you're going to be leading a large section of it, but that's fine. Let me give you some vocal rest right now. Just something that never happens on this podcast. Lauren never has vocal rest.
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For those listening at home, not watching the video, I curtsied the police officers. I thank them for their courage. I don't love the fact that it seems like this guy just escaped into the wild. Yeah, right. And had to rely on a McDonald's employee and customer to find him. So I hope you're correct. Yeah, no, absolutely. And I mean, at the end of the day, it came from a tip from a civilian person.
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Right. You know, it wasn't like... They apprehended him out of McDonald's where they've been tracking him. Right. Yeah. Exactly. So now I think that we should get to his manifesto because I think it's very interesting to hear what he had to say. This manifesto is gripping to me. Okay. It's so interesting. And I asked our producer, I was like, are we going to get in trouble if we read this?
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And he was like, no, you should read it. Okay, so this is what it says. The title is The Allopathic Complex and Its Consequences. Do you know what allopathic means? I don't. Let's just look that up really quick. Allopathic medicine is a medical practice that uses conventional treatments to treat diseases and symptoms. Okay, so I think that's like Western medicine.
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So this is what Luigi Mangione allegedly wrote in What Was Apprehended. The Second Amendment means I am my own chief executive and commander in chief of my own military. I authorize my own act of self-defense in response to a hostile entity making war on me and my family. They diagnosed my mother with severe neuropathy when she was 41 years old.
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She said it started 10 years before that with burning sensations in her feet and occasional sharp stabbing pains. At first, the pain would last a few moments, then fade to tingling, then numbness, then fade to nothing a few days later. First time the pain came, she ignored it. Then it came a couple times a year and she ignored it. Then every couple months. Then a couple times a month.
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Then a couple times a week. At that point, by the time the tingling faded to numbness, the pain would start and the discomfort was constant. At that point, even going from the couch to the kitchen to make her own lunch became a major endeavor. The first doctor said it was psychosomatic. Nothing was wrong. She needed to relax, de-stress, sleep more.
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The second doctor said it was a compressed nerve in her spine. She needed back surgery. It would cost $180,000. Recovery would be six months minimum before walking again. 12 months for full potential recovery. She would never lift more than 10 pounds of weight again. The third doctor performed a nerve conduction study, electromography, MRI, and blood tests. Each test cost $800 to $1,200.
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She hit the $6,000 deductible of her UnitedHealthcare plan in October. Then the doctor went on vacation and my mother wasn't able to resume tests until January when her deductible reset. The test showed severe neuropathy. The $180,000 surgery would have no effect. By now, the pain was so bad she couldn't exercise, which compounded the weight gain from the slowed metabolic rate and hormonal shifts.
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And it barely helped the pain and made her so fatigued she would go an entire day without getting out of bed. Then corticosteroids, which didn't even work. The pain was so bad I would hear my mother wake up in the night screaming in pain. I would run into her room asking if she's okay. Eventually I stopped getting up.
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She'd yell out anguished shrieks of wordless pain or the word fuck stretched and distended to its limits. I'd turn over and go back to sleep. All of this while they bled us dry with follow-up appointment after follow-up appointment, specialist consultations, and more image scans. Each appointment was promised to be fully covered until the insurance claims were delayed and denied.
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No wonder your voice is gone. Yes, everyone. I wanted to be there on Lauren's first day moving in. I really like, you know, move in days. I think it's like, obviously, this one was very momentous. And yes, I wanted to bring you something special today. So I did make a loaf of homemade sourdough bread. Three ingredients. Okay, that's it. Doesn't it taste amazing? Let's just quickly share.
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Allopathic medicine did nothing to help my mother's suffering, yet it is the foundation of our entire society. My mother told me that on a good day, the nerve pain was like her legs were immersed in ice water.
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On a bad day, it felt like her legs were clamped in a machine shop vice, screwed down to where the cranks stopped turning, then crushed further until her ankle bones sprintered and cracked to accommodate the tightening clamp. She had more bad days than good. My mother crawled to the bathroom on her hands and knees. I slept in the living room to create more distance from her cries in the night.
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I still woke up and still went back to sleep. Back then, I thought there was nothing I could do. The high copays made consistent treatment impossible. New treatments were denied as, quote, not medically necessary. Old treatments didn't work and still put us out for thousands of dollars. UnitedHealthcare limited specialist consultations to twice a year.
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Then they refused to cover advanced imaging, which a specialist required for an appointment. Prior authorizations took weeks, then months. UnitedHealthcare constantly changed their claim filing procedure. They said my mother's doctor needed to fax his notes. Then UnitedHealthcare said they did not save fax patient correspondence and required a hard copy of the doctor's typed notes to be mailed.
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Then they said they never received the notes. They were unable to approve the claim until they had received and filed the notes. They promised coverage and they broke their word to my mother. With every delay, my anger surged. With every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall of their hospital waiting room. But it wasn't them. It wasn't the doctors.
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It wasn't the receptionists, administrators, pharmacists, imaging technicians, or anyone we ever met. It was UnitedHealthcare. People are dying. Evil has become institutionalized. Corporations make billions of dollars off the pain, suffering, death, and anguish cries in the night of millions of Americans.
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We entered into an agreement for healthcare with a legally binding contract that promised care commensurate with our insurance payments and medical needs. Then UnitedHealthcare changes the rules to suit their own profits. They think they make the rules and think that because it's legal that no one can punish them. They think there's no one out there who will stop them.
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Now my own chronic back pain wakes me in the night screaming in pain. I sought out another type of healing that showed me the real antidote to what ails us. I bide my time saving the last of my strength to strike my final blows. All extractors must be forced to swallow the bitter pain they deal out to millions. As our own chief executives it's our obligation to make our own lives better.
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First and foremost we must seek to improve our own circumstances and defend ourselves. As we do so our actions have ripple effects that can improve the lives of others. Rules exist between two individuals and a network that covers the entire Earth. Some of these rules are written down. Some of these rules emerge from natural respect between two individuals.
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Some of these rules are defined in physical laws, like the properties of gravity, magnetism, or the potential energy stored in the comical bonds of potassium nitrate. Thank you so much. That's where UnitedHealthcare went wrong. They violated their contract with my mother, with me and the tens of millions of other Americans.
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I guess you're back off of vocal rest. It's good. So Chandler made me sourdough bread and it was just so good this morning. It was delicious. Thank you. Incredible. Like, honestly, I want to learn how to do that. You absolutely should. It's very easy. Anyway. Yeah, it was really fun to be there yesterday and like... I see you unpack and help you unpack.
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This threat to my own life, my family's health, and the health of our country's people requires me to respond with an act of war and... Was long. Sorry, that was long. I wanted to read that because I think that it's like very, very gripping to hear that experience. And okay, so I'm actually going to have one more quote. This is very brief, though. It's by Tina Brown. Okay.
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So Tina Brown just wrote a Substack article about this. I think this is very apt. She says, "...the resonance of his evil actions, the sinister brilliance of his inscribed bullet casings..."
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In the shocking way a middle-aged father of two's brutal killing has unleashed a social media fury, not at his murderer, but at the health insurance industry, will, I suspect, make the slaying of Brian Thompson an era-defining crime.
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The viral ugliness of the response on social media is just a taste of what is boiling in the hearts of countless Americans ground down by the cost of health care and the rejection of their claims. Anyway, I think it's just so heavy. And it honestly kind of reminds me when there was all of the violence after George Floyd. Yeah. There was a lot of people like defending that violence.
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And saying sometimes like peace doesn't bring about like the need to change essentially. Yeah, I think that this is a cause. And when I say cause, I mean taking down insurance companies that do prey on people who expect care from them and who do like choose profits over care. I think that this is a cause that a lot of people feel like is justified. Yeah.
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I think that the truth is that both are wrong, right? Like you can't do an act of vigilante justice. You know, you shouldn't murder someone in order to bring about the change you want. But at the same time, like these health insurance companies are completely evil and corrupt. And someone wrote, two things can be wrong at the same time, the health insurance industry and murder.
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So let's focus on what's improvable. The 31% claims denial rate of UnitedHealthcare, double the average and the insider trading at the company. Yeah, 100% agree. I said something to Ben about this the other night because, I don't know, I'm not going to post like hard eyes over this guy's photo.
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Because I think that's gross. Yeah. I think he, at the end of the day, he killed someone in cold blood. Yeah. And that is something that is, that is wrong. That is wrong to me. Yeah. But a lot of people are very, very upset and have been very wronged by insurance companies. And so I do hope that things improve. Yeah. And it's like, I'm so with you.
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I'm not going to like take part in like the ghoulish applause for this person. Yeah. But at the same time, you can't invalidate just how horrific the suffering is. This act came from a place of real suffering. And some people actually feel like their suffering was heard potentially for the first time. And the gravity of what they have gone through is potentially reverberating across this industry.
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I think Tina's right that this feeling, and this is obviously so serious compared to what we normally talk about, And Scott, our producer, was like, you should definitely talk about this because it's like very pop culture-y with the way this is being meme-ified across the internet. It feels almost impossible to really talk about this in a comical way because it's really not funny.
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Yeah, nothing is funny about this scenario to me. No part of it is funny. And so I guess like, you know, a serious topic requires serious conversation. But I think that this sentiment and this tone isn't just being felt by people who are victims of the healthcare industry.
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And it's just going to be a great new chapter for us. It is. It's going to be a really fun new chapter for the pod, for our sisterhood. And it was just really sweet, though. I want to say that you wanted to be there when like it was just a bunch of like movers and big boxes. Like part of me wanted to be like, come tomorrow when it's like all set up.
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This like discontent is what happens when the stratification of wealth and, you know, people with resources and people without resources, when it just gets bigger and bigger. Right. Resentment festers and people become capable of things they never probably would have thought they would be capable of.
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Honestly, in a way where like this guy, the CEO, in his brain, he probably didn't think he was a bad guy. His family probably didn't think he was a bad guy. Yeah. Even though his company was doing evil things. Right, right.
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and hurting people so i think that it's just yeah it's very very interesting yeah yeah and sorry everyone the tone of today's podcast episode is just much more heavy and serious than normal but that's just really the content and what's going on and other very serious news jay-z has been accused in a civil lawsuit of raping a 13 year old girl in 2000 along with sean diddy combs
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So this is that case where there was another big celebrity. Yeah. So I think that's that's important to clarify that, you know, there was talk that it was Diddy and then this other A-lister celebrity and then a female in the room. The rumor was that it was that it was Jay-Z. Yeah. So now that person, Jay-Z, has been named. He has been formally named in the lawsuit. So Jay-Z has fired back. Yeah.
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And he wrote that this is essentially, you know, I mean, he posted a screenshot of a Word document on his Instagram and he calls this. Let me just read a little bit. He says, my lawyer received a blackmail letter called a demand letter from a lawyer named Tony Busby. What he had calculated was the nature of these allegations and the public scrutiny would make me want to settle. No, sir.
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It had the opposite effect. It made me want to expose you for the fraud you are in a very public fashion. So no, I will not give you one red penny. His allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one. Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. Would you not agree?
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These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case. So he essentially says that his heart only breaks for his family, who he has to now explain what's going on to, but that he's completely falsely accused and that this is a cash grab. Yeah. Yeah.
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I think that this statement is very interesting because it's really sounds like, you know, he just literally crafted it and posted it. Yeah. And I think that it's interesting that they were also out on the red carpet last night or the night before, like they're putting on a united front.
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But it was cute how you just know you wanted to be there. I have this maternal yearning. Just another wonderful thing about me. Yeah. No, but I wanted to have like the, you know, Gigi moving in Bella and her apartment experience. I wanted to help you set things up or give my opinions. That's a flame that burns within me. Well, I hope you got that yesterday. I absolutely did. So you're welcome.
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It seems like an interesting PR move to immediately, like, have him and Beyonce and Tina Knowles and their daughter on the red carpet, seen in public. Clearly, I think the message is we're not hiding from anything. We're going about our business as normal. We have nothing to hide. I mean, I don't want to be like, I believe this. Right. That just feels crazy.
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Yeah, I have no idea how to believe or what to believe. But I saw the elevator footage yesterday. And like, I just think that like, you don't physically attack your brother-in-law unless he's like a bad dude. Yeah. And while your sister is standing by. Some people are like, that's a double standard. Solange is praised for hitting him or whatever.
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And just because someone's unfaithful doesn't mean they're a rapist. But I don't I don't think Jay-Z is a great guy. I completely agree with you. And I also think that there's not a chance in hell that he was just unaware that all this stuff went on. And Diddy somehow shielded one of his best buds from all of this, kept it a secret. OK, so clearly Jay-Z knew what was going on.
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He knew what Diddy was getting up to, in my opinion, allegedly, you know. Which is my opinion. Yeah. And he just, you know, sat by, continued to be friends with a rapist, you know, a child molester, a child rapist. Yeah. I'm sorry, what? A lot of people in Hollywood are reconciling with this. And I just think there needs to be a reckoning for all.
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Like, you either need to be, like, fully against Diddy or you're called into question. Right. But I will say, though, there's like there's a difference between the people who were at his white party every year. Like, I'm guessing Ellen was not invited to the freak offs. You know what I mean? Like, I think that there's probably. Yeah, I'm sure there's levels to what you knew about Diddy.
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But then I also think there's like it wasn't Ashton Kutcher who was like, there's stuff I can't even talk about. Yeah. And I think Hollywood is I've said this before. I think Hollywood's a small town. Yeah. Right. People know stuff about each other. You know who the weirdos are. Right. And so it's like unless you and people are probably too afraid to ever be publicly against Diddy or whatever.
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But now I just think like I wonder if Jay-Z is going to condemn Diddy. Maybe he has. I don't know. I'm not sure. But I think that Jay-Z is questionable at best. Questionable. Yeah. It does strain credulity that he would be such good friends with this person. Yeah. Anyone who was such good friends with this person. Yeah.
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I'm going to do my best to try to provide some sort of like vocal texture today instead of just like the hollowness that I feel. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to work hard, though, to bring in that voice because we're here. We're here. We're recording. OK, we've got a lot to get into, a lot to discuss. So much to get into. Obviously, this has been a huge week in the country. All right. In the world.
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I don't want to be friends with anyone who was who is good friends with a child molester. Right. Or rapist. Right. And I don't know anybody like that. But I can't even imagine if that was like loosely in circles that I ran with. Right. Right. And somehow it was like, yeah, we're just kind of all chill with it. We all look the other way. What?
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What world are you living in where it's so untouchable and you're so far away from what's right and what's wrong that you just live like that? Well, and people are now calling into question the timeline of him and Beyonce because he met Beyonce when she was underage. And, you know, there were official reports that they didn't start dating until she was 18. But it's murky.
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Also, I just want to say another thing. He obviously is going to bring up that Blue Ivy by saying we have a daughter whose friends are going to surely ask her about this. OK, I think people always do the I'm a father of a daughter thing. So how could I ever be capable of such a thing? And it's like this person on Reddit was like, it never ceases to amaze me.
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I don't know why I said you're welcome. Thank you and you're welcome. Another flame that burns within me. Yeah. I had a small moment over the weekend that I kind of have, I don't know, mixed emotions about. On Sunday afternoon, I went to go to like the local bazaar. There's like a bazaar on the Upper West Side and, you know, there's thrifting things with vintage stuff.
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Why do some men only have empathy for women once they reproduce one? Yeah. It just is interesting because it does like I feel like the experience of being a woman is honestly feeling like men don't actually have much empathy for women. Yeah. And so it's almost like that is a valid thing to them because they're like, wait, I actually didn't really care until I had a daughter.
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And then I know I think it is valid for them, but it's just like what? But I know. But that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we'll see what happens. A question I have is about why there can't be criminal filings. Like, because why it's only civil, is that because of statute of limitations? Probably statute of limitations. Yeah.
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I mean, I think that this person has every right to have been scared for the last 25 years about, you know, literally the number one A-list couple, essentially gods in the celebrity world. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But with all of that, before we get struck down. Yeah, we should probably sign off. Let's sign off. Thank you guys so much for listening. Apologies for my voice.
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Really appreciate anyone who's made it to the end. And we'll be back on Friday on Patreon or premium episode on Apple subscribers as well. Love you guys. Bye.
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And I wanted to look and see if there were anything that I could get for the tablescape at our wedding. Okay. So anyway, that was a reason for me going. I'm there. I've probably been meandering for 10, 15 minutes when all of a sudden... And it's like booths, outdoor booths, okay? So it's a very crowded situation.
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Okay, so you're looking through vintage... Yeah, I'm just kind of going up and down the aisles, whatever. For unique stuff for the table. Yeah, just for like silver platters and stuff like that. Anyway, but that's not important. What's important is that out of the corner of my eye, I suddenly see... like a scene happening, a scene unfolding.
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You know how you just like know something's off, like something's happening? And it was literally five seconds where all of a sudden I see this kid, literally I think he was like 17, rip something from a stall and run away. Wait, what?
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So he literally grabbed something. And because I see him like rip it like to where like the table shook. And were they like, was it glued to the table?
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Or I think it was like in a box or something. Anyway, he had to like pry it off the table. And then he just starts running and he runs right past me. Whoa. And in that same moment, I see the people who he was just standing by say he just stole that. OK. Yeah. And I don't know what came over me. Oh, my gosh. So he runs past me. And I just go, he just stole something. Of course you did.
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You've always been a tattletale. This goes back to, like, our very first experiences together. I'm surprised you didn't tell on me yesterday during my move-in if I, like, did something wrong with the building, you know? Like, oh, she has the wrong detergent in this type of dryer. I'm like, hold it. Washer.
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I don't know what, I think there was a part of me that was fight or flight, tell or not to tell. You love rules. And I love rules and I love justice. And I was like, I literally pointed my finger because I was like, I'm not going to let this guy go.
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And then what's crazy is that, so obviously I'm like, he just stole something, you know, alerting the people where he's now running to say, hey, a thief is among you. Then the guy from the stand runs after him and then they get in a fist fight. And they're like punching and swinging at each other. And one's got him in a headlock.
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The craziest thing, though, is that there's like full security or like people in like fluorescent jackets who are manning the entrance to the bazaar. Are they not stepping in at all? They're not doing anything. They're not like police officers or anything.
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Anyway, I don't even know what happened, but there was like they were like fighting and then the kid got away again and he caught up to him again and then they were fighting again. Anyway, I don't know what happened. I don't know if my, you know, me raising the alarm did anything, but. I don't know.
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I have mixed emotions about this because I'm like, I don't know why I need to be like, he stole something. Send him to like to the gallows. It's not very New Yorker of you. No, exactly. He's the thief. Like, you know, that you don't get involved. You know, you're doing your own thing. Especially it was like low, kind of low stakes. It wasn't like he was hurting somebody.
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It kind of felt like not woke of me. Oh, interesting. Yeah, because capitalism really is what steals everyone. Something like that. Everyone else's experiences. I don't know. I just like after that moment happened, I was like, I'm kind of embarrassed. I left soon after, but yeah. Yeah. That was my justice story. Wow. Yeah. I mean, that is an incredible tale. Thank you for sharing. I am floored.
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You don't see that stuff like that very often. I mean, like purveyor of those goods was, you know, he must have really liked whatever that man had taken. I guess so. I think it was like a ring or something, but it didn't look like diamonds per se, like gemstones or like turquoise. The other thing, what it made me think about is like if I was in the 14th century. Okay.
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Like I would be the person that's like chop off their arm. Oh gosh. No, you would not. I don't know. Maybe I would have. I just, I didn't like what that revealed about me. I had no mercy. It is really interesting that you, especially in today's climate where all sorts of things happen all over the place. And there's nuance with everything. Yeah.
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Well, well, well. Let me just start. Thank you for attempting. Well, well, well. Your voice has somehow gotten worse. Well, that's why I stopped because I was just like, this sounds so bad. You need to be the one to do the well, well, well. Yeah. It's okay. It's really not great. It's not great, everyone.
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And with how woke you are, that you were all of a sudden so willing to put yourself in the line of fire, essentially. I was. I was. I don't know. In order to attain the rule of law. I really wanted to bring this to the podcast because I don't know what it means. I don't know if I want to know what it means. I don't know. Maybe it means nothing.
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The world is really watching the country these days. So true. So this week we're going to be talking about the cold blooded murder of Brian Thompson by allegedly Luigi Mangione. So quick question. Are we going to spend the duration of the episode talking about Luigi? We're going to spend a huge chunk of it. But right now we're going to chat first. Okay. Thank you. I was confused. I didn't know.
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And this was just a simple moment where I also wanted a little bit of a limelight. But anyway, I wanted to bring it up. You might be an attention whore. That's potentially true. No, I don't think that's what was going on. Thieves beware. Yeah. Don't do it in front of Chandler. She will tell on you like she told on me. I mean, I was a tattletale growing up. So yeah, that's the biggest.
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Yeah, it's true. I feel absolved myself when I tell. You should start feeling less guilt, period. And then you can save us all a lot of trouble. Okay. The heiress tour concluded. It did. It's done. We need to talk about that before we get to the rest of the episode. Yes. I personally was devastated. There was no announcement. I know.
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And people are telling me that I need to give her grace because she's probably tired. But I'm sorry, but she built this cage for us to live in. Oh, OK. That's interesting. You think that she kind of set us up to fail here? I just think that, like, of course, people thought we were going to get some huge announcement, especially after the book fumble. I don't know. It's just it.
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And I get I hope she's tired. Like if she's a human being, she's tired and she deserves all the rest. I just thought we were going to get an announcement as well. And I'm kind of disappointed that we didn't. Oh, I think everyone's extremely disappointed that we didn't, especially when they have like cameras filming her the second night in Vancouver on stage. Right, right.
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Where it very much looks like, I mean, we've seen cameras filming her and Travis leaving the stadium. So we know there's documentary footage or there's some footage that would be used in a documentary. Maybe they're just doing an expanded version of the movie to feature TTPD. I personally just think it's so interesting that she didn't plan one surprise for the last show.
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She's, like, out of surprises. Like, yes, there are surprise songs, but I would have thought that she would have done one just song randomly that looked like a surprise or just something. Or, like, another surprise guest. Yeah. Just something. I think that everyone who thought they were going to get a little something extra on that night totally had every right to think that.
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And it's fine if she didn't announce a new album or whatever. But I think, yeah, like there was nothing extra special about it. Like I kind of understand feeling a little disappointed. Totally. Because I would rather go to the last last night than the second to last night because I would think there was going to be something special on the last night. Oh, for sure.
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Well, and I am so glad I was sick. Because I honestly was, like, ready to risk my marriage and my financial future to go to the last show.
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Because I was just sure that it was going to be something beyond once in a lifetime. So now I'm kind of, like, so glad I didn't. You know, I'm sure everyone had an amazing time. It doesn't, like, negate your experience at all. I mean, nothing special was announced at any of the shows that I went to. Yeah. I mean, and also, like, when I went to see her at MetLife...
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I thought she was going to play Cornelia Street and I was sure she was going to. And then when she didn't, I was 10% disappointed in that moment. It didn't actually color my experience in the long term. But yeah, in the moment I was like, oh, womp womp.
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The fact that there was no surprise just really makes me think that she's exhausted and that she's like just finishing the tour was the most she could do. Of course.
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No, I think 100% because, you know, following whatever announcement she potentially could have made, there was going to be another then cycle of things. And maybe she really does just want to let the dust settle from, you know, the fairy dust because it has been so incredible. And I don't want this to like undercut anything, how special the last two years have been. I mean, it is crazy. Two years.
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It's a long time. It's a long time. It's a long time. And it's really sad, I think, for a lot of us because now we're just like, okay, we're going back to the dark ages. We're going back to the Joe adjacent times when we never saw her. No, because Travis will have things. Donna's got her movies. That's true. Like, we're going to be seeing them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it is the end of an era. It is.
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It is. And the start of an age. And I think that the fact that she kept the energy alive for so long really didn't cancel any shows out of tiredness. Oh, thank you for bringing that up. I thought about that on the train here. Like, it's a miracle she didn't have to cancel any shows. Like, it's not even like tiredness.
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Like, even if I was Taylor Swift right now, if I had this voice, it's not like I could perform. No. No. Absolutely not. God had his hands in her being able to do all the shows. Because she never even just got a cold. I know. I'm sure she got a cold. She got a cold. She just pushed through. You can't push through. OK, maybe she didn't get like laryngitis or something. I don't have laryngitis.
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I have a cold. I feel like they have remedies and they've got like Dr. Feelgood or something. I feel like celebrities can get like a shot of something crazy, some crazy vitamin cocktail and be OK for a couple hours. I need someone super rich in the audience to verify. But that is true. I mean, she could have gotten like strep or something. And it just would have been impossible for her to perform.
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I'm a little bit blind to today's episode. Okay. Just what our listeners want to hear. Well, I'm blind to this subject a little bit more. I'm up to speed with the other subjects. I actually thought some of the biggest news was the Jay-Z stuff. We do need to get into that. So we're going to get into that as well. Yeah.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, speaking of care for the ill, let's take a subway. It's so funny. I saw a headline today that was like, Bill Belichick, whatever, considers UNC job. And I'm like, wait, he's going to go be the new CEO of UHC? But then I was like, no, UNC.
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What is the UNC? I think it's a football team. Oh, okay. That was a hilarious little tale. I was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe they're already ready to replace the CEO who just got killed with Bill Belichick. Belichick, I don't know. Well, you know. You can leave that and you can keep it out. Whatever. UnitedHealthcare, clearly, they're after value for their shareholders, the bottom line.
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Apparently, they deny double what the normal rate is in healthcare. So anyway, everyone, obviously, we have, of course, now moved on. Yeah. Look, let's just say really quick, we tried to make the turn from Taylor Swift to this Luigi alleged killer a couple of times. And it's a tough segue for us.
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So let's just now I'll hold hands together and move on to, you know, what we know about Luigi Mangione, the person of interest in Brian Thompson's murder. So I personally have been on quite a journey. Have you? I have. Okay. I have been fascinated with this story ever since it came out. I haven't been able to stop paying attention to it.
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First, it's just so terrifying that someone can just literally murder someone on the streets of the city, by the way, I just moved to. Okay. And then, I'm sorry, skedaddle away. Yeah. Yeah. That was very alarming to me. It's alarming. You would think that there's enough ring cameras around this city and enough people. It's not like you can just get in a getaway car and speed out of town.
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Getaway car. That could have been a good segue. Thank you. No, it's totally alarming. I mean, I think the footage of it is really eerie. The woman who's like outside, I don't know if she's taking a smoke break or she's just like standing outside and all of a sudden she like is right there seeing what's happening and then she runs away. I mean, it's a 10 second video that is so chilling.
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But let's just quickly catch up house, not even housekeeping, but I guess friendship housekeeping. How are you? Doing great. Last night was my first night in the new unit, in the new apartment. So happy, loving being officially not a tourist in New York. No, I'm obsessed with the place. I can't wait to show everyone.
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It is absolutely terrifying. All right, Chantel, let's first, let's lead everyone through the facts of the case. Okay. So Brian Thompson was the CEO of the health insurance division of the $550 billion company United Health Group, and he was in New York City on Wednesday for an investor meeting. He was shot from behind just before 7 a.m. on December 4th outside of the New York Hilton Midtown.
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He was hit in the back and the right calf, after which the suspect fled on foot and on an electric bike. A video of the shooting showed the suspect walk out behind Thompson, who did not have a security detail before firing multiple times.
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Officers found three 9mm rounds at the scene in bullet casings that had the words, deny, defend, and depose on them, which echo a phrase commonly used to criticize tactics insurance companies use to reject claims. So that's a play on the phrase delay, deny, defend. which is the rallying cry of people who are critical of insurance companies. So it's delay, deny, defend.
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OK, but on the bullet casings, they changed the last word to depose, which means to like swiftly get rid of somebody. Oh, really? Is that what depose means? Well, there's two meanings. There's obviously the law meaning of being questioned. And then, you know, depose can also be defined as to remove from office suddenly and forcefully. Really? So that's what I thought it was.
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I thought the depose was like the kind of like zinger, if you will, about this act. That's got to be what he intended it to mean then. Right. Like you think you're going to delay and deny our claims.
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They watch Taken and they're like, mom's like, dad does not have months to go look for you. I remember her saying that. I don't remember the story, but I absolutely remember her saying that. She was like, he has a business to run. He doesn't have months to go looking for you in Thailand.
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And it seemed like there wasn't a lot of actual sharing and it was a lot of kind of surface level conversation. I wish that it had been a better mix of that. Because I think that's more realistic. You know, it has, maybe it has superficial moments, but it also has, you know, in the next breath, really vulnerable moments. No, exactly.
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It's like, you're not, every moment with your friends is not you sharing, like, your deepest fear, Dorinda Medley style. Yes. Like, that would be exhausting and no one wants that. Mm-hmm. But I think that true friendships, you do know what your friend is really struggling with and you have shared. And I just think that that for me was like a missing moment.
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And so when she says like these friendships give me meaning because we've had so much time together. It just rang a little hollow to me because the friendships didn't seem actually that deep or authentic. They seemed really based on time. And ultimately, old friends are so important. You can never make new old friends again.
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But on some level, I also just don't know that that's enough to keep investing in people if the relationships aren't based on true authenticity. So that's my take. I think that's a really smart take. I think that's true. And now I can understand why it felt a little bit more hollow to you. I wish that we'd had like another episode.
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to see them kind of coming through the drama that happened on the trip and just enjoying being together after they'd had a little bit of a moment. Right. That would have made, then, I feel like, the payoff feel a lot better. Yeah.
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And I just feel like, I don't know, personally, as I get older, I just feel like I have less patience for superficial friendships and friendships that feel like, oh, we just do x, y, and z together, but we don't actually really know each other.
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I think that basically almost everything is done. I think all I's are dotted and T's are crossed. Yes. So you seem like you're doing great to me. I'm doing, I'm doing good. I just need nothing to go wrong. One thing you said, which I think will resonate.
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i didn't see and i didn't feel like that was the whole dynamic of them the entire time i mean i when i say superficial i meant like you know they were a little bit like snide with each other but i felt like these were women who who had been through things together i guess for sure yeah i don't know i i really like i like that part of the entire show i mean their scenes were my favorite it was like the least like caricature
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Like the family was so caricature. So it was like the, everyone else to me was so like over the top, like this is rich people stuff. And then that was like, that was just a different, uh, different subsection of life to like take a closer look at. No, absolutely. And I think that if...
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If he had ended it in a way where there wasn't any moment of vulnerability and it just kind of ended, I would have thought, okay, does Mike White just basically hate women? Does he think women are just so shallow and trite and really only care about surface level stuff and just talk shit about each other behind each other's backs?
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But I think that ultimately it definitely rounded them out that they had that last scene. Okay, I was very upset, I will say, that we did not see the Ratcliffe family actually reckon with what had happened with the dad, with Timothy. I just felt, like, a little cheated. Like, the fact that we did not see Parker Posey react to this news, to me, it was almost, like, lazy. Yeah.
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It was almost, like, that is going to be the juiciest part of the show. We should have seen that happen in episode five and seen the fallout. Uh... I wish I could have seen that just because I want more of the show. Yeah. But I don't know that that would have, I don't know if that would have been more impactful than him trying to kill everyone. No, no, no.
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Then like them, like riding off on the boat, getting their phones back and just sort of being like, oh my gosh, they're about to be hit with the biggest wave of life. And then the dad saying like, things are going to change. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's true. And I found the moment where, you know, the son accidentally drank the, you know, protein shake from the blender with the,
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poisonous fruit like that moment of him dying or and then coming back to life or whatever and the dad finding him and the fact that and the fact that he was the only kid that the dad was like no you're not going to right I just got the chills like I don't know it was I found that whole montage through the end to be so powerful and sad and dark.
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And I think we have talked about is you're excited to, you said this when you were talking to me earlier today, you're like, I'm excited to not be worried about being like about looking my best. Like I'm just so ready for that worry to be over. Come May 3rd, May 4th, this shit is hitting the fan. Oh, let it all go. I am just so... I mean, we've had a long engagement.
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Do you feel like basically he realized the value of life, essentially, and the error of his ways? I think that it gave him... I mean, the dad was clearly not well mentally, but I think it was like...
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to have your son to think your son is dead and then to have him come back to life like you realize like it's gonna be fine everything's gonna be fine i have my kids all my kids are healthy right literally everyone is alive yeah right i am i am spoiled by life everyone is alive you know and they yeah so i just feel like that was the moment where you see him come to his senses on what is actually important um and maybe he will you know survive going going to prison or jail for a couple years or something whatever it is gonna be yeah
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um okay yes let's talk about piper because i have a similar tale as piper okay did this come to mind at all for you no i don't know what you're talking about okay so when piper piper no when piper says that when oh my gosh the scene where she says that she doesn't actually want to live at the monastery for me it came as such a surprise i really thought that she was gonna go live at the monastery right did
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Did it surprise you? Yeah, because the whole season, she has the most different attitude of all the siblings. Even the younger brother, who you know is not Saxon. Like, you know, still wants to party and do drugs. You know, she just, to me, seemed the most sanctified. Yes. And she seemed to have such a disdain for her family.
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So it was actually so riveting and I think so true to life to watch her be like, no, I'm actually so much more like my family than I realize. When Victoria looks over at the husband, I can't remember.
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remember his name and she's timothy and she's just as yeah when victoria looks over at timothy and she just like gives the thumbs up like she's just like so smug it's amazing well you watch his face as he's like oh damn like all of my family basically does not want a life of discomfort i mean there's a big difference you could be a grounded individual and not want to live at a monastery i think that i don't want to live in a monastery well i consider myself to be grounded
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Well, I would say the jury's out on that if I'm grounded or not. I mean, the jury's out for you, but I'm just kidding. Um, but I felt like, I just felt like it was very, very funny to watch because I was not expecting it, but it reminded me. So when I was 19, everyone, I was going to go spend a summer in Thailand. I, you don't remember this? No. Okay.
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I unfortunately do not keep a Rolodex of your musings. Okay. Well, this was a real plan. I had a flight booked. I had, I was literally going to go work at a little, at a school teaching English. My friend had done this. Doesn't everybody also kind of do this? Doesn't everyone? I mean, I did not, but. Right. Well, I was going to. Okay. Okay. You had a flight booked. Who's money? With mom and dads.
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They were down. They were down. I had I had planned to spend the summer in Thailand teaching English. And so I remember asking my friend, I was like, how like what's the AC situation like? No AC. What's the temperature like? Oh, it's like 100 degrees every day. He's like, but it's the buildings kind of self-cool or whatever. And I'm just like, oh my gosh.
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We've been dating for a long time. You know, I've been pulling out all the stops for a minute here. And I'm ready to just sort of let go, let God... And yeah, I'm potentially considering dying my hair darker. Oh, OK. I'm considering cutting it in a crazy way. I've got big plans for my low maintenance look after this. Yeah, because it's been a high maintenance couple months for you.
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So basically what happened is I had told mom and dad I really wanted to do this. They'd already paid for my flight. Like this was fully happening. And long story short, mom and dad two weeks before got super freaked out that like I was going to get sex trafficked. And mom, I remember mom specifically said, she was like, I think they watched law or what is the Liam Neeson movie? Oh, taken.
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They watched taken. And they're like, wow. Mom's like, dad does not have months to go look for you. I remember her saying that. I don't remember the story, but I absolutely remember her saying that. She was like, he has a business to run. He doesn't have months to go looking for you in Thailand. I love, I love that. She's like, I just, that's so funny. So mom, I remember.
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I don't have to spend three months in a hundred degree weather. I could not have been more thrilled that I did not have to go at the end of the day, but I didn't want to pull out because they'd already paid like three grand for this trip or whatever. I mean, that's a nice way to think about, you know, why you didn't want to pull out of the trip.
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And maybe that was a little bit of it, but I think you also were a very serious person and you thought like, this was my calling. No, I never thought. I think you were just a. I wanted a worldly experience for sure. Yeah, worldly. Yeah, you wanted. Why would that not be worldly? No, it is worldly. But when I think of the word worldly, I think about like diamonds and fast cars.
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Oh, no, I think about like cultures. That's the difference.
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No, and you did want that at those experiences. So I think. I mean, I don't want them anymore. Yeah. So I'm good. Yeah. You want them in smaller doses and like Amman. I would love it. Yeah, exactly. I would love an Amman culture experience.
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Anyway. But that's so funny. Your dad does not have months to go look for you. And I truly was Piper, like being like so happy I didn't actually have to go. And when she's like, I'm so sorry I brought you here. And they're like, it's fine. It's fine. Anyway, I just felt her relief. What does she say to you?
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She's like, like the food, you know, it's like the vegetables, like it's like vegetarian, everything. But like, you can tell it's not organic. Yeah. Oh, and just that there's no AC. So good. So good. Also, I think it's such a classic, honestly, like white girl trope. Yes. Where you get a little into like Eastern philosophy. It's very eat, pray, love. It's very.
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Oh, I'm a yogi. I can. And really at heart, you want your, you know, you want to go to Target. Right. You want to go to Starbucks. And you know what? I want to be Buddhist. I'm curious. And also a girl who goes to Target. Yeah. You want to. I can be both. Oh. A million percent. Oh my gosh. Didn't you have a Buddhism phase? I did. I had a Buddhism phase. What happened?
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I just got attached to samsara again, you know, to pleasure. Oh. I'm like, who's samsara? Buddhism is really useful when things are really going rough. And I think that, you know, should that happen again, as I'm sure it will, I will return to those texts. Okay. Okay. I almost feel like that jinxes it. What do you mean? I don't know. I only like Buddhism when the chips are down.
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Well, the tenets of Buddhism are your pain is a result of your attachment. So it's like if Ben perished, it's like, well, you're too attached to Ben. Got it. You shouldn't need other people. You shouldn't need the world of pleasures. You should only need your mind to experience joy. That's something you could take to heart, though, with your scrolling.
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no i know for sure there's a middle ground also i will say i love and i'd heard of this before but i love the way that like death and the afterlife are thought about in buddhism which is like you're just well just like what the monk says where it's like you're a drop of water and you're just returned you know to the to the sea the water you know um when people talk about their nds that kind of is what they describe yeah yeah and i yeah i like that
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It's been a high maintenance couple months. It's been a high maintenance life. That's true. So yeah, anyway, I do have something kind of cute to show you. Okay. It's a little bit of a surprise. Okay. Because I did a little bit of digging yesterday.
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I want to do something with what I'm about to show you, but I just thought it might be kind of cute to go down memory lane for a second. Okay, so everyone, I'm going to play for you a Patreon from January 25th, 2021. Not an entire, a clip. A clip, yeah. No, we're just going to... Recut this episode. Wow, we're really working soft today. We have about a 40-minute Patreon we're going to play you.
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I just feel like she's a girly who doesn't want to do that out of wedlock. True. Like, she's traditional. She's traditional queen. Also, I just think that she would be fully controlling. No, actually, I take it back. She's 35. I bet you if she accidentally got pregnant, there's no way she's not keeping that baby. Yeah, yeah. And maybe that would be crazy. She is pregnant. She's pregnant.
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That is why we haven't seen her. Because here's what I was going to say. Oh! Oh my gosh, it's all coming to me. What? I'm having a vision. Okay. Okay. Literally, I should do readings. You've yet to say anything. I was going to say that she was so visible with Travis when they were doing all the pop walks and going to dinners in New York City. We were constantly seeing her.
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because she was promoting the heiress tour basically like he was playing football and she was doing the tour and she wanted you know tree wanted the headlines yeah keep stay relevant yeah to stay relevant keep the hype going but now they just want privacy But no, I don't think they just want privacy now. And I don't think it's just about resting. I think there's a bun in that oven.
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I don't think so. For example, we only saw her from behind when she went to dinner in Utah. In Park City or wherever? Yeah, in Park City. I don't know. I'm looking this up. I mean, you guys, it is Tuesday, April 8th at 11.39 a.m. You're making the prediction. I'm the first to call it. This woman, there will be... Text our group text right now. A child will be born unto her and Travis.
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Thank you for your prediction. I don't believe it. I think that they are just being low-key, and I think this demonstrates that there's a real relationship there and that they actually just like being together out of the public eye. Okay. Well, I think she's hiding a pregnancy. Sydney Sweeney and Glenn Powell, everyone.
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So Sydney Sweeney has, quote, broken her silence on rumors she's dating co-star Glenn Powell. Have you heard this? Yes. So following reports that her wedding had been called off, Sydney was spotted hanging out with her Anyone But You co-star Glenn Powell. Fans have long suspected that there could be something romantic between the pair after witnessing their chemistry on screen.
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Now, according to a source who spoke to the actress at the Hollywood Beauty Awards on Sunday,
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sydney remained coy about the dating rumors the insider told the u.s sun someone she knew came up to talk to her and they seemed friendly the person asked if sydney was actually dating glenn and she said she hoped she was sydney laughed and played super coy and at what point even gave a flirty wink she wouldn't say it one way or the other but she did say she was quote having a lot of fun
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I mean, you do not invite someone to a wedding as your date unless you're trying to, you know, unless your intentions aren't pure. Well, apparently she is friends with his sister. I'm sorry, but how often do you become friends with a male just friend's sister? Almost never. Almost never. So I'm into this.
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I'm so into the fact that she's done with the other guy and she's like fully on with Glenn Powell, who's so cute. Yeah. You know, I always kind of scratched my head at her and the other guy. You know, he was 14 years older than her. She was 19. He was 30 years when they first got together. She's in the spring of her amazing career. And maybe the relationship just no longer served her.
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And I, you know, if I can reach back into the, you know, chronicles of my life, I remember I was dating someone who was much older than me. You know, I broke up with my older boyfriend, much older boyfriend. Right before I was on the brink of just like a new chapter with like my life and, you know, career choices and that kind of thing. And I just, I don't know. I, I, I'm so proud of her.
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And we'll just put this clip in here. Okay, we'll see you on the other side. No, okay, everyone listen to this. This is January 25th, 2021. I will say with a very tight lip, because you never know what happens, but I went on a very special first date. Oh, you did.
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I feel like it's so brave to especially break off an engagement and it just, you know, I'm, I'm just, I'm stoked. I mean, the guy she was dating was a Hollywood producer and he, you know, she started dating him when she was really early on in her career. Like you said, like had really not much going on. All of a sudden she blows up. There's something about that 14 year age
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age gap when you're 19 he's 33 and it's in Hollywood it just gives yuck to me to be honest can I also just say my own experience I was 19 and he was 31 and if here's the thing about it it feels hot to you when you're 19 sure but then you look back at it and you're like that was actually kind of gross fully gross and I kind of I'm sorry but I'm I'm feeling the Victoria Ratliff again at her like you are young you are beautiful why are you with this middle-aged weirdo
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Come to Durham. She says come to North Carolina. They're from Durham. Come to North Carolina. Sydney took her advice. Sydney is in North Carolina right now with hot af Glen Powell. And you know what I like about this a lot? What? This is a looks matched couple. Yeah, it's a looks, absolutely looks matched couple.
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And for me, when a woman is really successful and she's not in a looks matched relationship, I think it's bad for other women. I, I'm going to not name names, but I saw, I saw a video, a reel of somebody in a situation like this. And I, I had a similar pit in my stomach. There's a billionaire singer who's engaged. And I also, it doesn't, for me, I just don't understand. Oh. I just don't get it.
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I don't get it. And I, I know, I mean. Are we just saying now she's only engaged? You're talking about the father of her children. Oh, are they pregnant? Who are you talking about? Oh, I'm. Oh. I'm talking about Taylor Swift. Oh, my gosh. You don't think that Taylor and Travis are looks matched? I do. I do think they're... I think they're... Oh, I think... I think they're a 75% looks match.
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Yeah, they're... I'm talking about when it's, like, very clearly not looks matched. See, I hear you with... You're never going to find a 9.7 and a 9.7 that go together. Right, right. There's got to be only two standard deviations away from the mean. For me, I just see that and I'm like, girl, this is like, why? So there's interviews coming out with them talking about their relationship.
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He seems like a really... really sweet guy. And he's also very talented. I don't know. I'm not as like grossed out by this. I'm not icked out. I'm not icked out, but it's just, there's just something, you know what it does? It validates an idea that women like don't really care about a man's appearance. And I just feel like that's a- You're anti that. I'm anti that.
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Okay, so before you say, oh, you did, you and I have been casually chatting about how I'm considering the idea of spending a month in New York, you know, that summer. We were talking about that on the podcast. We were talking about that on the podcast. I mean, do you want me to play that part? No, but were those plans related to this?
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Like as a very visual woman, I just feel like it's, that's a very weird patriarchal norm. Yeah. That's been created. And cause like- If a man was in that situation, it would be like, wow, he's a saint. Yeah. People would be up in arms in the same way that they're up in arms about Jeff and Lauren. You know, they, people really are so angry. He's not dating someone since he's a billionaire.
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They feel like he should be dating. I don't feel like, I feel like they're quite suited. Well, people are very mean about her. People are mean about her. And I stand firm that I'm into it. Yeah, you're a stan. I'm a stan. OK, let's move on, though, because there were two podcasts that we listened to in preparation for today's episode. Two podcasts that were not our own.
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But I've got thoughts about both of them. Yes, we listened to two podcasts. The first was Confessions of a Female Founder by Megan, Duchess of Sussex, Megan Sussex. By Lemonada, produced by Lemonada. I'm going to be honest, pleasantly surprised.
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I liked it too. I felt like it was casual. It wasn't like her being like, okay, and your seed A round when you did X, Y, or Z. Not that she couldn't ask really gritty questions and go there, but I just felt like it felt really natural. Yes. And it felt like they were actually sharing. It felt very unedited.
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Well, I'm going to say, first of all, that I had a very Meghan Markle morning because I woke up, you know, my body woke me up naturally early. Yeah. I threw in a loaf of sourdough and I turned on Confessions of a Female Founder. Incredible. And as my bread was baking, you know, I was absorbing the wisdom from this. And I think that it was the most conversational that we've seen her be ever.
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You know, and especially in this long of a format. And I think like she was talking about ideas and themes, but, you know, not in a platitude like way, not in a I'm teaching you a lesson way. It was like just more and more natural as the word, you know, what you said is true. Um, and I don't really listen to a lot of self-help aspirational content and podcast form.
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I'm, I'm listening to literally try not to feel carsick. You know, I, I need escapism. I don't want to like, think about how I'm going to be like, you know, an amazing mom. Um, cause I say that because Ben listens to like whatever Dr. Becky, like doc, do you, have you seen that? Like no woman who's like, um, she's like a child therapist. Okay.
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No, I know she has like a, I think she has a podcast or she definitely has a book. And Ben's always like listening, send me, sending me stuff from Dr. Becky. And our kids aren't even born or made yet. Wait, that is so cute. And it's about raising children. Yes, it's about raising children. Yes. Literally. You really need to marry this man.
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I'm trying to, um, but I'm always just, and like, that's what he'll be listening to, like in the car or something. I'm just like, I'm like, I'm gonna listen to juicy scoop. Um, but I, I, so all that is to say, I liked this and I was into it and I found like some nuggets that were helpful for me. And I thought Whitney was really great as like a first guest.
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It's just, it's hilarious that I thought people couldn't see right through this. Because listen. Let me tell you this. So I went on, it was a great first date. We're going to see what happens, but yeah, we'll see. I'm very excited. Soon, sooner than you'd think. Okay, cool. Where's the person live? The person lives on the other side of the country.
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I have a coaster underneath my glass. Chandler has lost the coaster war completely. I'm not even bothering to, you know, wet my whistle while I'm here. You know what? I think that is a great policy. Leave no trace. Leave no trace. That's what I want you to feel like you should do every time you exit this apartment. Campground rule, leave it better than you found it, baby.
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It started off really strong and it made me think about our own business. You know, she talks about how she would have done things differently in her journey. Whitney worked at Tinder, and then she started Bumble. And I don't know. There were nuggets that I pulled away that I was like, oh, I want to talk to Lauren about this. What nuggets did you pull away? I think about the fact that she said,
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you know, she wishes that she had spent less time worrying about what other shoe was going to drop because she would have been a better, like she would have done things better. Okay. And I'm like, I, that's a lesson that I wanted to like pick for myself is like less worrying about the future and more just doing, you know, less like feeling,
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fraught if that's the word um and I think also just you know she's she talks about that moment where the stocks were like at an all-time low for bumble but she said you know she was like I wanted to like take a moment and like document that day for me because I was my happiest Interesting. I don't know if you got to that part. I didn't get to that part, no.
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Basically, she talks about how she was at her... I don't think she was in dire straits financially, but the company was not doing well. I think this is also post... This is in the last few years or something. So it's not like when she was in build mode as much. But the company wasn't doing super great, but she was like, my children are healthy. I have a wonderful relationship with my husband.
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Today I hiked and I meditated. And she was just saying that... I don't know. And then she talks about a time where she was on the cover of Time or something. It was like the first female billionaire or something. And she was like, I was also at my lowest there. So I don't know. Just finding balance and maybe trying not to let all of your mental and just personal care go in the search for money.
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Oh, interesting. She said she was at her lowest during the Forbes cover. I'm, I'm really paraphrasing, but she just said that like, she just, she used those two moments as like an inverse of each other. She was like, when I, you know, the Megan talks about her being on the cover of whatever was the first female billionaire. Yeah. And she says, it's just funny.
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Cause like at that moment, you know, I was not, I was waking up every day and just like instantly just like work, work, work, work, work. All of my life was work. And then, you know, then I look up, think about this moment when the stocks were at an all time low in the last couple of years. And I was the happiest I'd ever been. So that's all. Yeah. No, no. Nuggets. No, total nuggets.
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I mean, I like the nugget where she talked about how basically she can have meetings on the carpool line. Like you can have the same thoughts and absolutely take a meeting and you don't need to be at your desk. You know, you can just insist that you're going to be in the car or whatever. I felt like that was just like a good practical takeaway. It's Megan really, I think, shined.
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I think that the episodes should have been on video. I was disappointed to not see a YouTube, but you know, I should get there. I, this has given me a lot more faith in the,
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in megan duchess of sussex as an empire builder and my hope is in five years megan has a really booming business a really great podcast we get a lot of clothes and outfit pics from her yeah and you know what we're colleagues we're colleagues in all this may absolutely instagram podcast shilling the links we're just basically two duchesses over here
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Um, it's reminding me, I saw a clip of Luann, uh, from early New York where, you know, Bethany introduces her as Luann to the driver. It's like, you know, it's a sign of respect, you know, the countess, like Mrs. De La Seps. And anyway, um, it's so good.
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uh yeah so i'm really happy about it i'm planning on leaving a five-star review also because i just feel like we have uttered a lot of our thoughts about megan markle into the world and i would like you know to leave a positive thought about her in a place that she might see that we're gonna clip some of this positivity because boy do we need it on the internet I know. Yeah, we are.
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And by clip it, I mean like put. Clip. Not clip it out of the show, but put a clip of it on Instagram. Also, let's talk about another podcast. Yes. I also sent you Erin and Abe Leach's podcast because I saw that it came out and I follow her on Instagram and I was like, oh, I'm curious about this. What's the title? The title is Come Together. that title is too much for me.
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The thing is... I see right through this little wanderlust plan that you thought you would hatch. No, Lauren, the thing is, the truth is of the matter that I was talking about this before the first date. People leave New York in the summer. They don't go to it. They continue. But I did think about this before the first date.
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It's about sex and relationships. Sex and relationships. I think that, you know, they lose me a little bit with the title, but they got me everywhere else. Well, this is what I want to say. When you first sent it to me, it was kind of an R-roll. I was just like, ugh, I don't know. Because I felt like on the show, they were a little bit like, he was a little bit, I don't know. You know what?
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It's an internal thing, but I think we all feel this way. We just don't want to hear about married people who are like talking about how hot their sex is. Well,
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let me just finish oh and i i agree with you right it's just it comes off as a little smug it's just and it's just a little gross it's like we're happy to hear about single people and all the sex they're having but all of a sudden when it's a married couple i'm just not interested i think grossed out it was like you know i guess it's been not on for two seasons now but it was the first season this is our first impression of these people
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and all we're kind of hearing about is, like, how much they, you know, get it on. Right. I think, like, that was where I was just like, what? Like, if I met someone new off the street, and that's what they talked about all the time, like, I would be, you know, off-put by that or put off. Right. I don't know. Either or.
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I wish now, listening to their podcast, getting to know them together for 45 minutes, I wish they would have led with some of that because there's so much more to their relationship, and they have – I just really, like –
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loved hearing about their early days and what they've been through together and their story about like how young they were when they met like there's just there's a lot of richness to their relationship and now i'm like i love it well i feel like it just goes to show the way the producers and the editors on bravo it's more interesting for them to make a caricature out of sometimes the cast
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and show their worst moments. They only have so much time to fill their time. They need to keep viewers watching. So they're less, you know, the need is less to really flush out each person as they are and show who they are. It's more to make a great 43 minutes. For me, I felt, so when I went in to listen to the podcast,
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you know, not necessarily thinking I was going to be loving this, but I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I felt like they were so authentic. I felt like them sharing about their partying young days, also basically saying, I mean, to say on a podcast as... Parents of children. Yeah, three, four kids. That you don't have to stop partying, essentially.
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That you can still, she says a month after she's giving birth, she wants to go see this DJ in Miami. Yeah. I mean, that is a kind of, I think, joie de vivre that's important. It's important for people to feel like they can still go have fun in life and that they don't have to be solely parents once they're parents and their whole personalities don't have to change. All of that.
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about moving to his city for a month it would be an added bonus a little bit stalkerish an added bonus okay it would be a bonus but we'll see no one knows what's gonna happen you know there's still months to go but um yeah well very excited for you happy to monitor if that's the right word or hear how this can how this relationship continues to blossom we'll see how it evolves we don't know
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I loved the conversation. I completely agree. That was my biggest takeaway was seeing how fun they are together and how much fun they have together. I feel like they have fun.
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one together yeah and that's like I want my relationship to always be like that and they do they clearly still do obviously they've been through tough times and they get into that they talk about you know a time when Abe gained a lot of weight and like just they were pretty raw well they talk about how you know apparently it was so funny because they are like talking about how much they endorse doing LSD and how helpful it is or like it's like a year of therapy and it's basically free in comparison
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And they're like, yeah. And after we, we, after this amazing experience, he said, you know, I quit my job as a corporate attorney. We started that handbag line and it failed. And I was like, maybe don't do LSD actually. They're like, then we had no money. It was so funny. Very candid. And I couldn't believe too that. You know, they met when she was 23. Yeah. They got pregnant when she was 27.
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Like, she really was like a young bride. Very young. I don't actually know when they even got married, but I know they met at 23. And yeah, I love hearing stories about people who have... been together for a very long time and whose friendship is still thriving. Yeah. Or who's like, who's, you know, the fun that they can have together is still like there.
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You know what I felt like was really valuable for them to admit was how sometimes you can just have like some, like basically they say that some sex in a marriage, it can be transactional. Like it can be a situation where someone just wants to have sex and the other person maybe doesn't want, like doesn't feel up for the full thing. Yeah. Yeah. But it can be a wham bam. Thank you, ma'am.
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Type of situation and a healthy marriage of consenting adults. And that can just be a dynamic or something that happens every once in a while. Yeah. And I felt like that is also quite the thing to admit. Totally. It's like a it's not. I mean, I I didn't find that to be as like.
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uh vulnerable because i i feel like that's just like true everyone kind of knows that i guess like that just like they're they're a range of experiences that you have that can be extremely romantic and you know thoughtful and blah blah blah blah blah and then there are times that are just more about you know this is just like a thing that we do yeah right we're right yeah Yeah, I don't know.
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I just explicitly saying that you're just yourselves on a show. I felt like it was vulnerable. Honestly, the way that they talked about like that one time where they were like partying and I like was laughing out loud. They're talking about how they were partying somewhere and they're with all their friends.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
And I think they were on some type of drug because they said like they were hearing these like noises outside the window. And they're like, what is that club?
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So funny. And then, like, after a few hours, they realized, like, that it was just, like, the sounds of, like, the traffic and the street. And they said it was the wind. And the wind, yeah. And I loved also, to go back to what you briefly brought up about, you know, him saying, I don't think I can be a corporate lawyer. And he was very early on into his career. So he, like, quit that.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
And just, I don't know, trusting in your partner and being like, we'll figure it out. Even if... Yeah. Well, and she talks about how when she got pregnant, she really kind of got pregnant because her friend got pregnant. And it wasn't this big thing of and they had no money, really. And there wasn't a lot of thought put into it.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
And it's like so the opposite of the way I feel like I'm looking at having a baby and so many of my friends, it's like we need to make sure we have X, Y and Z and can afford, you know, full like we can afford all the help we need. And it's just like everything's going to be so fine. And the way they kind of went about it in a much more like old school way.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
kind of let's figure it out type of way and it was inspiring and really cute it made me think about how I want to have a baby you know maybe not a touch sooner after listening to this because like the fact when she talks about how like all of her friends it was like they like it was all her friends baby too because like none of her friends had babies and I was like oh my gosh like I want that like I want have that moment with my friends in New York also I just I do think that one baby is so much different than two like they said
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Okay, so that was January 25th. Our first date was January 16th. Okay. So what was that nine days later that I'm talking about potentially moving to his city? Okay, that is psychotic. Psychotic. I mean, I do remember thinking that that was something I wanted to do, but like after meeting him, I was like, that wouldn't be so bad.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
like two or three is such a different ball game than one baby i mean you remember when courtney just had james it was like it was truly so chill yeah yeah guys four is having a big sale right now so we are going to share what we are buying i am just re-upping on the things that i'm obsessed with and use every day and run out of so i'm just truly restocking i'm getting a blush brush from westman italian westman atelier i'm getting their i love the westman atelier mascara
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Mine is the I Want You mascara. I think it's just their black color. My favorite concealer is this Tarte concealer. It's the creaseless concealer. I get it in 33N medium. My only makeup will be this with this gel cream versus moisturizer. This has become a holy grail product for me. I got it gifted and I just, I cannot live without it. I actually think it's the, you have your sunscreen you love.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
I think this is just as good, if not better. For me, it just goes on. And it gives me that instant like Paris filter glow. I love it. I love it. I absolutely love it. It's a little bit more, it's more gel than creamy. And so I think it's just a preference thing, but I love it. I keep it in my bag. I have dry skin. So I think it just ultra hydrates me. So I absolutely love it.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
It's the first good defense gel cream moisturizer. So I'm just re-upping on the basics, everyone. Oh, and I'm going to get another lip glow oil from Christian Dior. I actually stole this one from Chama.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
I would love to have that back. Well, maybe you buy me one. They are having a sale. I'm going to go ham with makeup by Mario because I love everything that I've ever bought from his line. And I just recently bought a blush that I love. And so I want to, I kind of want to get a full suite of like products where I only have the bronzer and I have a blush and I want like, I want more.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
you've loved everything from makeup by Mario yeah I like it all because it's very everything's very like creamy okay I love the texture of everything last time I went to Sephora they were out of a lot and so anyway I want to go pick up a smattering of makeup by Mario also the living proof dry shampoo the advanced clean is the best in my opinion um I also got the Huda Beauty color corrector and I think that's amazing okay I was using the Charlotte Tilbury one before but I think the Huda one is better
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
I've been getting really good at doing my own makeup. Yeah, well, you have. You do a really good job of your own makeup. You gave me some really good tips. The girl who did my makeup for the shoot at my apartment, I felt like I literally had not just a filter on, but I felt like I had the Mariana Hewitt California filter on that tweaked my features, actually. I was like, whoa.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Um, and she does lessons. I kind of want to have her come over, do a lesson and I'll put it on YouTube. I want to be there.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
I would like one. So I think we'll might just do a YouTube lesson. That could be just like a bonus thing. Um, you guys, thank you so much for being, for being listeners. We love you so much. Global elites. We back on Friday with a mini episode and then on Monday with a
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full premium global elites episode and then we'll be back next week on wednesday of course everyone just as we started we will always have a free full weekly episode for you thank you so much for listening love you bye
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Even if we were going to break up, I was like, I want, you know, this could be fun. Okay, so the next clip I'm going to play for you is from February 1st. So a mere five days later. All right.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
But it's just felt really right. I know.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
It felt, it's just, yeah. I mean, I'm, I did actually tell him that I talked about him on the Patreon and And he made a joke about this being some long con for me to get him to subscribe to the Patreon.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Right. I offered him the $7.99 tier. We're going to see if he signs up. Probably. Actually, I will never let him sign up. Yeah, let's block him. Everything's going really well. I don't want to jinx anything. But it's also really sweet because we are 100% on the exact same page. And that's very clear to me.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
I'm feeling a little protective. Honestly, it was the perfect weekend. It was the perfect second through 47th date.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
all right let's move on to other questions i had been wanting to go back on our patreon and like look at some of the first like times that i talked about him and i also wanted to do that because that was the origin story of mr new york which is why on my bachelorette new york city night this weekend my sash said mrs new york which I honestly did not put together. I know.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
And I think people are also like maybe slightly confused. So when you said, did you see what my sash said? And I said, yeah, Mrs. New York. So cute. I just thought in my head, like pageant themed, like totally cool. Or like she lives in New York City. She's watching a Mrs. She's Mrs. New York. But that's the origin story.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
That is so cute. Isn't that sweet? It's also very sweet to hear how smitten you were. Yeah, and I feel like, you guys, I feel like to all the girls out there dating, to all the men, we're not exclusionary, to every person, to anyone with ears listening to this show, that is how you should feel. You should feel like we are on the exact same page. And it's...
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
it really was like that from the jump you shouldn't have to wonder any guy or any girl who's making you wonder most likely it's not gonna work yeah so um and i'll just i'll fill in a few little context things so we went on our first day in utah and then um uh two weeks later he flew out to san francisco
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
You are three weeks away from your wedding. How's your mental state? How's your physical state? Tell us everything. Physical state, great. Feeling like I'm locked in, I just need to hold steady. I need to just keep the plane at a cruising altitude. I need nothing to go terribly wrong. I need no cystic acne to come my way. And then I think starting after this week, I will start to shelter in place.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
for like our second date which is why you were teasing me like when are you seeing him again and um and that's why I was like you know it was our second through our 47th yeah why did you say that because you spent a weekend we like made those jokes because we just we spent then like a weekend together gotcha you know after our first date yeah and um and we both were we just hadn't like had a moment on that weekend where it was like
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
this is crazy um so anyway uh it was really sweet to like to hear those recordings because I've totally forgotten about them and then I played them for him last night what a special memory I'm so jealous because I don't have any of those because obviously when we started the pod I was already were you already engaged I was no I was six months away from being engaged yeah basically yeah
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Okay, so should we talk about the celebs in our world? Let's get into this Blake Lively donut shop situation, okay? So last week, everyone, Blake Lively rocked up to Rise Donuts in Wilton to take part in a strange PR stunt that she shared on her social media accounts in a video showing her making donuts at the shop.
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She wrote alongside the video, back with genius good friends in their kitchen mixer the size of a car. That is what my happy place looks like.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
While all of this just seemed like another run-of-the-mill celebrity appearance for social media attention, which it received, what it ended as was a chance for those who were not exactly playing for Team Lively in her ongoing legal disputes with Justin Baldoni to somehow believe that the best way to respond to this was to lodge a wave of complaints against the donut shop with the Wilton Health Department.
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As reported by TMZ, complaints of Lively working in the company's kitchen without the appropriate hairnet in place saw an investigation being launched into the business.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Following reports of Lively posing a health risk by working in Rise Donut's kitchen without a hairnet, potentially distributing strands of her golden hair over the glossy sweet treats like sugar strands, Wilton Health Department were required to visit the establishment to ensure that the quote disgusting and quote unsanitary practices were not being carried out on the premises.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Talk about a witch hunt. I think this is insane. Yeah. People should not be attacking a small business, a small donut shop business, because Blake Lively decided to have a PR moment there.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
All of her PR things at this point definitely feel manufactured and like she's trying to, you know, win back favor, you know, from everyone. But to attack this small business and like report it to the health department or whatever, I just need to speak to everyone, you know, on Team Justin right now. You're making us look bad. Yes.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
It's making us look like we cannot, you know, see the forest from the trees or whatever, some type of expression like that. Let's just stick to the facts. Let's stick to the things that are actually important and, you know, actually worth being upset about in this case. Let's actually only lob our complaints against the named people in this lawsuit, not the mom and pop owners of this donut shop.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Also, let me just say, I have firsthand experience in food service. Okay. Okay.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
worked at a at pete's coffee and tea worked as a server for a while both in both of those jobs i did not have to have my hair up you can have your hair half back yeah that's so interesting i don't think i always wear my hair my hair up either her hair is fully down which does seem to me like a little bit over the line we'll say her hair is quite yeah and it is very voluminous it's like it's it's you know there's a i'm not gonna say it but you know
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
It could be in the air. It could be airborne. For sure. Very easily. No, and I think that she should have shown a little restraint and tied her hair back. But it's like, of all the complaints against Blake Lively, is that the hill I want to die on? Right. If you want to comment that on the Instagram of hers, go for it. But to complain to the health department?
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
That's when, honestly, these are people who really should be evaluated by mental health professionals. I do not claim them. OK, yeah, absolutely. But it's the people calling the Wilton Health Department. They're the people who spend all their time online obsessed about people they don't know. And that's what makes me think, like, is is there some level of bots or or just like.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
You will. So you are going to quarantine, like I suggested. I'm going to shelter in place for sure. But yeah, after this weekend, we have one big party, you know, thing to go to this weekend. And then after that, the social engagements are going to start to die down. And it's really time for us to hunker down. I need to finish writing my vows. I'm just going into my mental state.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
Are there people in a large room filled with computers in another country doing this? So is this basically for these people hired by Jen Abel? I don't know. Or maybe they weren't hired. I'm not sure. But I feel like who has the time to call the health department? I mean, I feel like you'd have to be on hold for quite a while with something like that. I don't know.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
I think even we have learned with our very small scale experience
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
podcast that there are some real wackos out there it's true so i can't even imagine up like lively's level i 100 believe these are u.s citizens adults who these are patriots literally these are people who have social security numbers and who pay taxes yeah who use their own telephone numbers to call the wilton health department and it's not a good look for our country it's not
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
I'm waking up a little earlier every day, you know, feeling a little bit like stressed, like there's more and more to do. But overall, I am okay. I'm not. I mean, I don't know. What do you think? How do you think I am? because I'm like, I can't really say much more beyond the fact that I think I am okay. I think that you're doing, I think you're doing great.
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
um moving on yes out of our country though moving on to another country Thailand we need to discuss the White Lotus finale what do you think I loved it you loved it I mean it was dark I didn't see any any of the twists coming I did not see the family homicide angle happening yeah you know which obviously didn't actually happen but like I did not see that coming I thought there was there was like a great misdirect happening with you know everyone thinking that the dad was going to do something to himself um
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268: Blake Lively’s Donut Shop Controversy, White Lotus Finale, & a Bold Taylor Swift Prediction
i i think my favorite part was the way that the trio like kind of ended things i feel like that whole storyline just spoke to the complexity of lifelong female friendship you know that has its moments that are petty and competitive and not great but really at its best and what it really is majority of the time it's the safest place in the world and it is like meaningful and it's relationships with people who have known you forever
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And I think that like women have a way of moving through tough moments together and emerging and being closer than ever. And I think that's what we saw at the end of it. And I love that. Yeah. I mean, I, I think that I wish that I had seen a little bit more vulnerability between the women. Like I wish there was a little bit more soul bearing. I feel like that only happened at the end. Yeah.
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But it seemed like it only happened with Carrie Coon's character. I mean, I feel like the one from Texas, you know, she's talking about my garden is in bloom. I don't know.
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But that was like she was talking about how her life is amazing now. Yeah. I don't know. I guess I was like interpreting that, too, as like the friendships that she's that she has. OK. But I agree with you. You know, it's on some level. I just felt like. The friendships still were, even though they were long friendships, they still seemed surface to me.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Just a quick note before we begin this episode, we're going to be discussing domestic violence, sexual harassment, sexual assault. So please just take care when listening. Also, we just want to say we are going over the facts of a huge amount from Blake Lively's complaint and Justin Baldoni's lawsuit. If we misspeak at any moment or misstate any facts, we apologize.
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And he also had, I guess, coincidentally spoken to Blake's dead father recently. Once again, this guy just needs to shut up. At best, people do not care. And, you know, he's just kind of being annoying. I'm sure Blake would love to talk with her dead father. So it's kind of rude to flex that you chatted with him. Exactly. Like at best, he's making people uncomfortable.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
And at worst, this is like full harassment. Mm hmm. Also, she requests that if she and her infant are exposed to COVID again, Blake Lively must be provided with immediate notice as soon as Wayfair or any other producers become aware of the exposure. Because apparently she and her child were exposed to COVID. They contracted COVID. They got sick with COVID.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
She had to uncover the fact that they knew she was being exposed to COVID, but because they did not. have insurance wayfarer did not have insurance they specifically did not disclose to her that she was exposed to not shut down production i think they specifically do not have covid insurance too yeah covid insurance thank you okay so these next two demands i think are pretty damning
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
no more personal physical touching or sexual comments by justin baldoni or jamie heath to be tolerated by blake lively and or any of her employees as well as any female cast or crew without their express consent the next one no more improvising of kissing all intimate touch must be choreographed in advance with blake lively and an intimacy coordinator no biting or sucking of lip without blake lively's consent all intimate on camera touch and conversation must be in character
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Okay, so everyone, in 2019, a small but burgeoning production company named Wayfair Studios bought the film rights to the massively popular Colin Hoover book, It Ends With Us. Co-founded by Justin Baldoni and Steve Sarowitz and led by the CEO, Jamie Heath, Wayfair claimed to harness the power of storytelling to champion inspirational stories that act as true agents for social change.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
not spoken from Justin Baldoni to Blake Lively personally. So Justin allegedly improvised physical intimacy during scenes without rehearsals or the involvement of an intimacy coordinator. Okay, so apparently they were filming a dancing scene where they didn't need to have any audio. You know, they didn't need to be speaking to each other in character.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
But apparently, allegedly, Baldoni dragged his lips along her neck and... and said to her, muttered, it smells so good. And Blake reports this as invasive and totally unrelated to the script. So just kind of a, what the hell are you doing? And she didn't feel it was in character. Like it was from him to her, not from Ryle to Lily. Right.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Which is why I think she says in her demand, like everything must be in character, nothing just improvised. Right. Blake also requested a representative was on set at all times to monitor scenes with nudity, sexual activity or violence with Justin Baldoni.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So there was a moment also during an intimacy scene where he bit and sucked on her lower lip, which was not part of what was supposed to happen during that scene. That was improvised.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
OK, so the next demand, all actors participating with Blake Lively in intimate scenes involving her being in any state of nudity or simulated nudity must be classified as active working actors, not friends of the director. It must be approved by Blake Lively. So going back to the OBGYN. Right.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
OK, so the next one, this kind of touches on what we chatted about earlier, but no more filming of any Blake Lively nudity without a fully executed SAG compliant nudity rider in place, which, you know, a rider is obviously where you can say this is how I want this to go down.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Any footage already shot without this writer in place and in direct violation of SAG requirements may not be used without Blake Lively's and her legal representative's prior written consent.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
The next demand is any scene by Blake Lively or another performer depicting the character of Lily that involves nudity or simulated sex must be conducted strictly in accordance with the above reference nudity writer and must adhere to the Blake Lively approved script.
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I think it's just really important to note that all of these demands, they're coming in at a time where nothing has happened in the public purview. They have not wrapped on filming, obviously. So I just want to reiterate that I feel like this is not a posthumous account of how things went down.
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This is not like the smear campaign came out and Blake suddenly is like, well, actually, this is all this stuff happened. No, this is documentation early on of abuses she felt she suffered at the hands of Justin and Wayfair. Right. And I think we as the audience and as the public need to recognize that we're now reading this with so much more context. And that's honestly informing our own bias.
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But this literally came out after just a little bit of filming, a little bit of filming. Then the strike happens. And then right before they go back to filming, she's like, hey, this is the way things need to go down. Right. In order for this film to continue. Right. There's a couple more that are about an intimacy coordinator. I think it's actually let's talk about the intimacy coordinator. Okay.
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So next one, an intimacy coordinator must be on set for all scenes involving nudity and or simulated sex and must have a monitor to ensure compliance. Next one, similar to this, no monitors to be viewed or accessible on set or remotely during closed set scenes, except by Blake Lively approved essential crew and personnel.
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The next one, which is going into another issue, no more entering, attempting to enter, interrupting, pressuring or asking Blake Lively to enter her trailer or the makeup trailer by Jamie Heath or Justin Baldoni while she's in the nude for any reason.
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So Blake claimed in this complaint that early on in the shoot, Jamie Heath arrived unannounced at her makeup trailer while she was, quote, topless and having body makeup removed by makeup artists. When he refused to come back later, she requested that he at least turn the other way as she was topless. He allegedly could not even meet that request.
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She says she caught him staring directly at her while she was topless. Yeah. And I think another detail that I heard is that she then said, hey, can you turn around or whatever? And he was like, oh, sorry. I just, you know, I'm so used to looking at people when I'm talking to them. Right. Or no, she asked him to turn around. It says that he wouldn't. He did.
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And then I think he like she like caught him. Yeah, exactly. Or whatever. Stop looking at me. He's like, sorry, I'm used to looking at people when I'm talking. Yeah, exactly. I think it would actually be pretty instinctual to look away. Absolutely. Yes. I think that's like a normal human instinct. Okay. The next one. This one is hilarious. I know. And this one I think is such a searing indictment.
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A fitting description for the studio, given all that has transpired in the past couple of weeks. Albeit not exactly what we can imagine they had in mind. Right. So everyone, Blake Lively was cast as the protagonist, Lily Bloom, and was given also an executive producer credit. Baldoni took on triple roles as male lead, Ryle Kincaid, the film's director and producer.
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Which part? The whole thing? The whole thing. Multi-hour meetings in Blake Lively's trailer with Justin Baldoni crying. Because you know what this multi-hour meeting is that she's referencing? This was when the paparazzi shot came out of her filming as Lily. The first shots hit. And apparently everyone was up in arms about the hideous outfits. It looked so bad.
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But then also there were a lot of complaints that, like people said, she looked frumpy, that she was too old for this part. They really didn't like her cast. And what Blake Lively alleges is that Justin Baldoni was crying about the fact that she was not hot enough to play Lily. Like, he was obsessed with her being too heavy, essentially. And this woman is postpartum. Her infant is on set.
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And, like, you have your male superior and co-star in your trailer crying to you about your body not being slim enough? That is really crazy to me. I honestly don't know how much of that I totally buy. Okay. That he was, like, crying about her not being sexy enough. Yeah. But what I do believe is that he was crying about maybe this not being well received or something.
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And I think also just getting back to all the other instances we have of him just sharing too much, being way too honest, not being very professional like that to me is is really where I feel like this is who this guy was. I have to push back a little bit and say that he was obsessed with her weight. He hired her this like personal trainer that was apparently actually like a diet specialist.
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He asked her trainer if she could lose weight in two weeks. He was obsessed with her weight. And I don't know. I also think it's very interesting when his suit comes out. There's nothing really countering this. And that's a big part of her claim is this multi-hour meeting about her appearance not being good.
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Yeah, I'm not saying that he wasn't obsessed with that or that he didn't have other motives with the meeting with the trainer and everything. I think I just I can't even imagine a meeting where a man is crying about you not being sexy enough. I don't know that just the something about that just doesn't feel exactly the way that went down. But actually when you.
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The amount of times I like make sure I look cute enough when we're starting to record our little podcast. If I was a postpartum woman about to film a huge movie where everyone was going to see me, I can't imagine how self-conscious she was. Yeah. Just preparing to film, let alone to have someone complaining about your looks to you, crying in your trailer for many hours. I don't know. Yeah.
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I would have been homicidal. And also, once again, this guy is her boss. I think the next demands are a little repetitive. We kind of already have gone over them. So I think we should just move forward and say that they all met. There was an all hands meeting before they resumed going back to set. And Ryan Reynolds was included in that meeting and they all agreed to these demands.
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So filming wraps, and in the summer of 2024, a marketing plan was devised by Sony, given out to the cast, urging them to focus on selling the film as a tale of female triumph and to avoid talking about this film in any way that makes it too heavy or sad. It's a story of hope. Justin participated in this marketing plan early on.
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He made an appearance at a floral-themed pop-up and excitedly gave a tour of a recreation of Lily's flower shop. OK, so with all of that that he participated in up until that point, themes of partner violence and survivorship were totally avoided.
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But then Justin starts to stray from the agreed upon marketing plan and started posting and sharing stories of intimate partner abuse on his social media. Additionally, social media sleuths noted that while Baldoni followed his co-stars and Hoover on Instagram, Colleen Hoover, the author, they did not reciprocate. Baldoni eventually stopped appearing with other cast members at promotional events.
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It's important to note that even though he was not the bigger name, he was absolutely the boss on this movie and Blake Lively's superior. So production began in May 2023, but as we know, faced significant setbacks due to the writer's guilt strike and later after the SAG after strike, delaying its release until August 2024.
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His absence was attributed to a health issue. So on August 6, 2024, at the premiere for It Ends With Us, Justin was notably segregated from the main cast. He attended a separate screening, which occurred under conditions dictated by Blake Lively.
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Baldoni, along with his family and the Wayfarer team, were confined to a makeshift holding area in the basement before being escorted into a separate theater after Lively had left the main event. This arrangement was made in response to Lively's apparent refusal to allow Baldoni to fully participate in the main screening or the exclusive after party.
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So two days later on the Today Show, Justin praised Lively's contributions to the film amidst revelations of two different cuts of the movie in post-production. So if you'll remember, we heard that Blake Lively had a cut and Justin had a cut and that they ended up going with Blake Lively's cut, even though I think they tested both of them and Justin's tested better. Right.
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But he still praised her on the Today Show. The next day, allegations surfaced from Page Six about Baldoni's behavior on set, particularly concerning Blake Lively's postpartum body, describing him as dismissive and chauvinistic. I think this is kind of where we as the audience, I think, are really mostly awakened to the issues. This is when the drama really picks up. Yeah.
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And a few days later, the Daily Mail publishes an article claiming that there is a tense environment on set attributed to Justin Baldoni. The next day, Justin hires PR expert Melissa Nathan to manage the fallout amidst accusations of fat shaming and inappropriate conduct. And that is when Melissa and her team create this document called Scenario Planning.
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So the document outlines a strategic scenario planning that is designed to protect the reputations of Justin Baldoni, Jamie Heath and Wayfair Studios amid anticipated public grievances with Blake Lively surrounding It Ends With Us.
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So the plan includes proactive media engagement, digital narrative manipulation and rapid response tactics to counter negative press while amplifying positive stories about Justin Baldoni. So key strategies involve framing Blake Lively as disruptive and difficult to work with, emphasizing her alleged industry reputation and using trusted journalists to plant favorable narratives.
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The document highlights covert efforts to discredit Blake Lively, avoid direct confrontations with her husband, Ryan Reynolds, and maintain plausible deniability with a focus on preserving Baldoni's image as an inclusive leader and emerging director.
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PR expert Melissa Nathan, hired by Wayfair Studios, allegedly outlined strategies to harm Blake's public image, amplifying narratives that painted her as tone-deaf and difficult. Okay, so this is when we get into the text messages that totally rocked us, as I said. So, messages between Baldoni, Heath, and their team revealed explicit discussions about, quote,
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Melissa Nathan wrote, you know, we can bury anyone, end quote, and assured the work would, quote, remain most importantly untraceable, end quote. The team explored hiring contractors to manipulate social media through proactive fan posting, threads of theories and full social account takedowns to shift public perception. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot to get into with these text messages.
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Blake of Gossip Girl, we know, you know, bestie to Taylor Swift, wife to Ryan Reynolds, an all-around powerhouse businesswoman, mom of four. She doesn't really need an introduction. Worth noting that she received $3 million for her role. Estimated. Yeah. Estimated $3 million. Justin Baldoni, on the other hand, was relatively unknown until this project came out.
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We know that there is more context to them that is then released in Justin's, but we're just trying to be chronological. Yeah. And I think it's important to note that, again, like let's flashback to the summer. We all canceled Blake Lively in our brains. A lot of people did. They all thought. She's awful. The video of her came out that went so viral of her being so rude to that reporter.
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Like they were successful. And so I think that Blake Lively's reputation did get destroyed. So I think that when we got these messages and Blake's complaint, we were like, oh, my gosh, yes, they did that. I think I felt like, oh, my gosh, I got got. Exactly.
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Okay, so a forensic analysis revealed a sharp increase in negative media coverage and online criticism of Blake Lively, with her name increasingly linked to Baldoni in search results. So the effect of the smear campaign was that the manipulation significantly impacted her career and public image, as well as her hair care business, which reported a 78% drop in sales.
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The narrative painted Blake as tone deaf, difficult to work with, and resulted in headlines speculating whether she was being canceled. Meanwhile, Justin Baldoni emerged largely unscathed, continuing to promote the film and receiving accolades for his advocacy of gender equality.
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I want to say I think this was sort of the perfect storm because I don't think that all of this just suddenly sprang up in August. I do think personally, I can speak for myself. I didn't have a lot of love for Blake Lively pre it ends with us even pre all of this. She kind of annoyed me in certain ways, her and Ryan Reynolds, like that.
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back and forth, you know, the way, I don't know, both of them kind of annoyed me. And so I think that this was the perfect storm of like, suddenly the right clips are being posted online and there's just a groundswell of negativity towards her. Yeah. And I think that we all didn't like the way this film was being marketed. Yeah. Okay. We all thought it was cringe.
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And Blake was in that video being rude to the reporter. And also there was the video of her saying something about some, I think the reporter asked her like, how can fans connect with you about this, with this character or something? And she's like, okay, do you want me to share my location or something? She's just very sarcastic and snarky and just didn't come across well.
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Additionally, her and Leighton Meester, they did not get along on the set of Gossip Girl. And I just find that, I don't know, there's just something, Leighton Meester for me, I'll just say is very likable. Yeah. Seems like a very nice, normal girl. And there's something, I think, wrong on a set like that if those two main leads are not getting along. There's something weird.
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Like one of them is off. Yeah. Yeah. And finally, I will just say this. It really reminds me of Housewives where it's like a lot of times what they say is like you can blame a bad edit. Like trying to blame the Samira campaign. Yeah. But they can't show things you didn't say. And in a lot of these clips and like evidence of Blake being cringe and being rude, like Blake did those things.
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And Blake did use the film as a moment to launch a hair care business. Right. And promoting her alcohol brand, Betty Buzz. It's just not a good look when you're promoting also a film about domestic violence. Well, I think, too, it was just a lot of like all about Blake, all about how this is how I styled it. This is my hair care line, my Betty Buzz, whatever.
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It was just a lot about her and how this was her vision. And I think people felt like it didn't land for people. And also the clothes were objectively ugly. And that was itself offensive. Yes. But all these complaints against Justin Baldoni, again, these were things that she vehemently wanted to not happen. And the cast and crew stood beside her.
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He is a self-appointed feminist ally and has made a lot of his public appearances around, you know, being an activist in feminist spaces. He's done TED Talks. He's been on, he has a podcast about all that stuff. Unless you watched Jane the Virgin circa 2013 or before. unfortunately came across his 27 minute long proposal to his wife video, which is very cringe.
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It's a huge amount of material to try to condense into a single episode. We're just doing our best. Love you guys. Thanks.
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And I think she could have been all of those things, disingenuous, she could have been snarky and rude, all of those things, and still have been harassed on set. Right. Exactly. Period. Absolutely. Okay, so a week after Melissa Nathan is hired to engage in this alleged Samir campaign, that is when the Blake Lively clip goes viral.
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The film, despite its mixed critical reception, grosses $325 million.
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globally it climbed netflix's charts even as the controversies continued blake canceled her promotional event for a hair care line and her appearance on snl due to emotional distress in the meantime justin wins the voices of solidarity award an award that celebrates remarkable men who have shown courage and compassion and advocating on behalf of women and girls can i just say
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I just think there are too many awards. I don't think this award needs to exist. And maybe everyone's going to, you know, put on my pink pussy hat or whatever, a man-hating hat. But I just think this award, we don't need it. We don't need it. Let's just funnel all that money that went towards, you know, the steak and chicken at this thing towards survivors of domestic violence or whatever.
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I just don't think we need this award. Thank you, Chandler. An excellent point. Okay, so this legal complaint is dropped and everyone is like, oh my gosh, we got caught. And it looks pretty fucking damning. And I was feeling pretty good about myself. You were. Because I, during all of this...
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When everyone was so up in arms, I said, hey, maybe the marketing plan of the movie, they know that if they go heavy handed with this being a movie about domestic violence, a lot of people are not going to want to go see that. Yeah. And so maybe this is just a corporate strategy. And lo and behold, Sony did have an entire document where that was the corporate strategy.
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So I was feeling really good about myself. I also felt like I had a personal vendetta against Justin Baldoni because I dated someone who he reminded me of him very much, who ended up being a total con man. And I just felt like, yeah, I've seen a guy like this before. I know him when I see him. And they're just total narcissist liars. Yeah.
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You know, allegedly they masquerade as, you know, emotionally vulnerable, intelligent allies who are, yeah, actually narcissists who somehow their behavior is excused because of all the good that they do. It's like who wants to trust a man who's made his entire brand all about like being a champion for the voices of women? I don't know. There's just something icky about it. It's disingenuous.
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Imagine a woman whose entire brand is about being the voice for men. That world doesn't exist. It strains credulity. Yeah, absolutely. So I even felt like, oh my gosh, I can really fall prey to the media machine. I felt bad. I felt guilty. I was a little torn up, if I can use that expression, about people I don't know. I guess for how hard I was down with Blake.
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I mean, it was a dark night of the soul for us all when especially when you read that message that it's like we can bury anyone. And it's like, OK. And they buried her. And they did. Dead to all of us. Totally. Absolutely. And we were like we had our pitchforks out and I feel like we were like happy to see it happen. It was a dark night of the soul. Yeah. Such a poet.
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Well, I mean, that's not my quote, but thank you. OK. I didn't make that one up. Now let's get to Justin's suit against the New York Times. So apparently Justin is going to be suing Blake Lively as well. That is the rumor. But the only suit that has been filed is his suit against the New York Times. Okay, so Blake drops her claim immediately.
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Right before Christmas and just a few days into the new year, Justin Baldoni fires back and sues the New York Times for $250 million. Wow.
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This lawsuit, filed by Justin Baldoni, Wayfarer Studios, and related parties against the New York Times, centers on allegations of defamation, false light invasion of privacy, and other claims arising from the controversial article published by the New York Times regarding the production of It Ends With Us and alleged mistreatment of Blake.
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And we'll get into that if we have time. This project is most likely the first time you've ever heard of Justin. He allegedly received $320,000 for his role as director, producer, and lead star. Okay, everyone. So I think we remember that there were early rumblings with this film. From the outset, the project was met with much stylistic skepticism.
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One thing to note is I think a lot of people think Justin Baldoni versus the New York Times, like this is David versus Goliath. This is just going to very quickly be dismissed. I didn't think that, but people are thinking that. Honestly, that's what I thought at first. Oh. So I think it's important to recall that Wayfair is backed by a billionaire, Steve Sarowitz, who has plenty of money.
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to throw at this, to throw at an excellent legal team to go after the New York Times. So I think we are buckled in and sat for a long protracted fight because apparently this will be taken to court. They do not want to settle. They want all of the details aired out for the public. They want a jury. Yes. Yeah.
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So Justin and Wayfair Studios claim that the New York Times disregarded an abundance of evidence that contradicted Blake Lively's claims and exposed her true motives. This is where I just want to say things get very complicated and where I really still don't totally know when it comes to each of these points of the case who I believe.
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You know, on this podcast, we talk a lot about the fallibility of the human mind. Absolutely, all the time. We explore the followers of Mother God and Teal Swan and all of the... And NXIVM and Keith Raniere. Right. All these cults where people really can be swayed by charismatic, controversial people. And where people really can be swayed by these charismatic people. And I think that...
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That's a little bit how I feel as I read each lawsuit, where I'm like, when I'm reading Blake's lawsuit, I'm ready to lock up Justin and throw away the keys. And when I'm reading Justin's lawsuit, I am like, Blake is a fraud. This entire lawsuit is disingenuous and a complete farce. And the problem is, is that it seems like there's really evidence on both sides.
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So I think we need to get into Justin's evidence. Absolutely. So let's begin with some of the key allegations against the New York Times. So the first one is libel. The suit argues that the New York Times published a defamatory article.
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We can bury anyone inside a Hollywood smear machine based on manipulated evidence that falsely accused the plaintiffs of a retaliatory smear campaign against actress Blake Lively. Let me pull up the screenshots. Also, I'm dying because your iPad is upside down again. Lauren just turned her iPad right side up. So, you know, she's been reading this whole thing upside down.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
OK, so let's begin with libel. The lawsuit argues that The New York Times published a defamatory article entitled We Can Bury Anyone Inside a Hollywood Smear Machine based on manipulated evidence that falsely accused the plaintiffs of a retaliatory smear campaign against Blake Lively.
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Justin's suit essentially alleges that what they were doing was just trying to be on the defense in case she goes on the offense and tries to bury him, essentially, and tries to ruin his career by bringing up everything that went on on set. And I think what he's saying is like and what, you know, it's going to get illustrated is that. They actually didn't do anything.
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All of this came about because of Blake's actions, but they were just ready to go with scenario planning in case they felt that he was destroyed. Right. So I think one of the key pieces of evidence here is that article that says, could Blake Lively be canceled by the Daily Mail? So this was included in Blake's complaint where Melissa Nathan messages Jen Abel and she says she...
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puts the link to the article, and Jen Abel says, wow, you really outdid yourself with this piece, making it seem as though Melissa worked with the Daily Mail to get this article out saying Blake Lively was going to be canceled. Well, what they redacted and didn't show was that the tone of these text messages was very lighthearted and joking, and it was sarcastic.
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And she says, so they take out an upside down smiley face after she says, you really outdid yourself with this piece. And then they take out Melissa's response, which is, that's why you hired me, right? I'm the best. Like, that's a joke. An upside down smiley face is sarcastic is, yeah, it's a joke. Mm-hmm.
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Leaked paparazzi photos of Blake in costume sparked lots of debate on TikTok and Instagram. I think we were probably a part of that. Fans criticized her character's seemingly chaotic costuming. When the film came out, critics felt the marketing campaign's lighthearted tone, including the floral outfits, clashed with the novel's heavy themes of domestic violence. Okay.
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And then they go on to keep joking about like her going to the airport and sorry, I'll be like off the clock for a minute. Yeah. Like, you know, we hired you to be on the clock all the time. Right. You know, they're just they're kidding. And and she didn't actually plant this story. And so The New York Times is intentionally cherry picking in order to further Blake's narrative.
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I think, too, it's interesting because The New York Times mocked up their own text messages. It's not like they did like screenshots. So also in their correspondence, Jen says the mail is going nuts. And then Melissa says, damn, this is unfair because it's also not me. Everything now looks like it's looks like it's me. Maybe not to you.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So their internal correspondence is discussing how this is not them. Right. And they are not even doing this. This is their internal private correspondence. They're talking about how the Daily Mail is going crazy. They're not saying like that's very different. It definitely shows that that was not their plan. I think it also shows that they were very surprised at how this took off like wildfire.
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Mm hmm. Right. And it seems like through a lot of these messages, they're amazed essentially at not their work being done for them because she doesn't even want it to seem like they're doing this. They're almost a little panicked. Yeah. Because it looks like they're doing this. Yeah. But they're like just shocked at kind of how like well this goes for Justin, just organic. Right.
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In the court of public opinion. Correct. Correct. Also, I don't know if we mentioned this, but Jennifer Abel is Baldoni's personal publicist, founder and CEO of RWA Communications, a public relations and communications services company. Okay, so the next one is promissory fraud, which asserts that the New York Times requested Wayfair's input and response to the queries under false pretenses.
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They promised fair treatment, but published the article before their response deadline. Basically, they said, Here's the article we're releasing. I think they sent it to them at like 9 p.m. on a Friday night. And then they said we're releasing it at noon tomorrow. But then it actually came out at 10, 11 in the morning. So they didn't like live up to what they said. I think it was 7 p.m.
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can i just say i just think there are too many awards i don't think this award needs to exist and maybe everyone's gonna you know put on my pink pussy hat or whatever a man-hating hat but i just think this award we don't need it no we don't need it let's just funnel all that money that went towards you know the steak and chicken at this thing towards survivors of domestic violence or whatever
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was what I heard. But either way, it's like you get this the night before and it's coming out the next day at noon. OK, but you might not even check your email, obviously. Like they did, but it's giving them next to no time to respond. Most of the time you should be sleeping. And then, I'm sorry, they posted the article nearly two hours before they said they would.
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That critical time to read this huge article. Yeah. It's taken away from you. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, too, once again, he's suing the New York Times. So he's suing them for like some of their journalistic actions, which, you know, the promissory fraud. So the next one is breach of implied, in fact, contract.
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Baldoni argues that the journalistic standards and ethical practices were violated, leading to damaged reputation and financial losses.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
so now we're going to go over the key incidents involving blake lively mentioned in justin's lawsuit so the first is that allegedly blake just you know she's hired as the lead but she just tried to take over the entire production so blake insisted on full control over her character's wardrobe bypassing the production's costume designer and demanding changes outside her contractual authority
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Adding to the controversy, Blake promoted her new haircare line, Blake Brown, and her alcohol brand, Betty Buzz, during the film's press tour. At the afterparty for the film's premiere, themed cocktails, including Ryle You Wait, named after the abusive male lead, Ryle, faced backlash for trivializing the serious subject matter.
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She reportedly insisted her character wear $5,000 shoes, which led to budget overruns. A confrontation between Lively and Justin Baldoni over wardrobe concerns was misrepresented in her complaint. Lively alleged that Baldoni made inappropriate comments on her appearance, while Baldoni claims he was merely relaying distributor concerns about audience expectations. Yeah.
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Apparently, you know, Sony was upset or was worried that, you know, her character was not being received well or the style on her character was not being received well. And he was just relaying that. Also, once again, he's not directly refuting a lot of the things that she's saying.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
He's just actually trying to provide, I think, more context on why they disagreed so much or why she was, maybe I'll use the word nightmare, why she was maybe a nightmare to work with. Mm-hmm. Well, and it's it's very clear that she did come in and took over this entire. Yeah. Right.
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Because there's all these text messages about, you know, with her giving very heavy handed input on how she wants the wardrobe to go down. She tries to get an executive or what's the credit she wants to get? Like she wanted to get it's like an acronym, but it's basically like a producer credit that shows that you were the producer that actually like did the most. OK. Yeah.
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I forget the APF or something. I don't know. So it's very clear that she tried to take over this entire production, which brings us to the next point, which was script and creative changes. So Blake Lively allegedly rewrote her dialogue and made changes to the other characters' lines, disrupting the production schedule. In an interview after, she claimed her husband, Ryan Reynolds...
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secretly wrote a key scene, which blindsided the film's credited screenwriter and possibly violated SAG-AFTRA policy. Regarding sex scene discussions, Lively reportedly remarked, "...I'd be mortified if that happened to me when an intimacy coordinator suggested a certain creative direction, which Baldoni believes were taken out of context to imply misconduct."
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Baldoni alleged that at the all-hands meeting, Lively and Reynolds berated him for making a reasonable inquiry about her weight during stunt planning, labeling it as fat shaming. The incident left Baldoni deeply shaken and worried about the professional repercussions.
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So continuing with, you know, Blake taking over with editing, Lively demanded access to the editing process, infringing on Baldoni's director's guild-mandated protected period for creating his director's cut.
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So they initially agreed on two days, but then Lively's involvement extended to 10, during which she fired the film's editors and composer, replacing them with her own team of editors who frequently work with her husband. Two competing versions of the film were tested with audiences. We mentioned this before.
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Baldoni's version scored higher, but Lively insisted on her version's release, allegedly leveraging her influence to pressure Sony and Wayfair into conceding. It's very interesting because if you really get into this lawsuit and you read his messages with the editors, it's like it's very sad to read their back and forth because they just basically describe this film being ripped from them. Yes.
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And. Justin says in his messages, he's like, we just have to take the high road. It just seems like she is going to get exactly what she wants every step of the way in the way that she took over her wardrobe. She's taking over the editing. She's taking over certain scenes. I mean, in what world is your husband, who's not even involved with this project, writing in secret a key scene? Yeah.
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Colleen Hoover also capitalized on the film with a nail polish collaboration with Olive and June and clothing sold on her website. Plans for a coloring book. We're scrapped after public criticism. Yeah. I think that the audience was left with, wait, is this a heavy movie? Is this a grab your girls and wear your florals, like lighthearted rom-com?
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I think when you are a part of the Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds machine, I mean, I think that's another huge factor in this, that Ryan Reynolds has a ton of pull in Hollywood and that he's very powerful. Right. And I'm sure that Justin Baldoni is a small fish compared to him. I mean, I can really understand how...
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
devastating this would be if you and your company had acquired the rights to this film this was your project i mean as cringe as we find it this is a cause he in theory cares a lot about and then this actress just completely commandeers your entire project well and i think some
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Interesting context is that I'm sure that after a lot of stuff went down at the beginning of filming with everything that we now know about, maybe he was just like, I don't want that to come back and bite me in the ass. So I guess I'm just going to like relinquish full control over this, you know, like let this go. Right. And that seems to be, as you read the correspondence, exactly what happened.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Okay, so they also say that there were misrepresentations and public allegations. So in her complaint, Blake Lively accused Baldoni and Jamie Heath of inappropriate behavior, including entering her makeup trailer uninvited while she was breastfeeding or undressed.
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Baldoni and Wayfair argue that these claims were false and distorted, noting that meetings in Lively's trailer were scheduled and consensual. So there's a text message between Justin and Blake that I'm sure we've all seen. And basically where Blake had said, you know, that he stormed into her trailer unannounced and she was breastfeeding and refused to leave or whatever.
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Really what happened is in the text message Justin shows, she says, hey, I'm pumping, but feel free to come by and run lines. Yeah. My theory on this is just because there was one time when she was pumping at 1 a.m. and he came by to run lines and she invited him into her trailer. Her infant was on set.
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It's hard for me to believe that her set of events didn't possibly happen where there was a moment when she was breastfeeding and he refused to leave. Well, and yeah, I think as well. Maybe that moment happened where she said, feel free to come by.
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I'm just pumping when things were still pretty good between the two of them and she felt more comfortable around him or before any of the other stuff where he like dragged his lips across her neck and said it smells good. There might have come a point where she was like, I'm actually now uncomfortable with you. Right. Or he still thought it's OK for me to come into your trailer or whatever.
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She was like, actually, now you make me feel very uncomfortable. No, I think that's such a good point. So this is very interesting. I heard one quote. story in her complaint, which was that she and the cast and crew were at a crowded bar, apparently, and she was wearing like a onesie with a blazer over it. And according to Blake, Justin allegedly asked her, encouraged her to remove her blazer.
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I think she implies that it was understood he wanted that because it would be more revealing, more of a press would be showing, more of a cleavage would be showing. And he said that it would be sexy and that she looked sexy. And she said, that's not what I'm going for. And it was a very weird moment where another female member of the crew or the cast privately told her, like basically consult her.
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And the moment where Blake described the wardrobe of Lily being sexy is really very different. You know, apparently there was like... She had some scene where she was in like a cutoff shirt and a beanie. Okay, go ahead. So why don't you pull up, why don't you, will you search It Ends With Us beanie outfit?
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This is just the only moment where I would like to just, I want to just explain to you Blake Lively's creative direction with this outfit and why she believes it to be sexy. And then I also have a serious comment about the Justin Baldoni of it all. But I just want to take a minute for this beanie outfit because it's now immortalized in this lawsuit. Oh, my gosh.
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There was just a little bit of mixed messaging with tone. Like, do I really want my five-year-old to be coloring in, you know, the lines of Ryle and Lily? Yeah. I did not know about the coloring book. That is maybe the most damning thing. on all these pages.
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So she said, we'll show you both ways, but beanie is much sexier. It's the look. Feels TV without. Especially with a crop top in the snow. It justifies the rest of the skin. And also is a girl I would check out walking down the street because it washes the effort off the rest of the look. This is her mind. Her mind. Wow. Anyway, everyone, I just we're talking about very serious stuff.
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I'm not trying to trivialize it. But this outfit is to me the furthest thing from sexy. But I appreciate the rationale that went into it. The mental gymnastics that went into it on her end.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
i'm for once speechless yeah on this podcast when i look at this outfit shivam please put this in so everyone can see who's watching the video shivam is our wonderful editor everyone so this is what justin says like she used the word sexy she like we were okay to say things like that i think is like what he's getting at right screenshots but what i also think happened is i literally believe that justin searched his text messages for the word sexy right and then
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
I was like, oh, wait, no, Blake Lively said sexy before, so it was fine. And, you know, I feel like there are two separate incidents being talked about here, but it sounds like happened at the bar is very inappropriate.
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In my opinion, when I'm kind of reading through all of this, it seems like a lot of Justin's complaint or his lawsuit against the New York Times is it's giving some sort of explanation for as much as possible. Right. But I think bad behavior genuinely happened on both sides for sure. And there's a lot of bad behavior on his side that he just simply can't explain away. Exactly.
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Like talking about ignoring no when women said they did not want to engage with him sexually to Blake. I'm sorry. I don't want to hear about any of my coworkers' pornography addictions. I also, if I have a deceased parent, don't want to hear about how they have just spoken with them. Correct. Especially when this is clearly a hostile work environment.
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And again, going back to Blake's list of demands, they all came out well before she was canceled. She had this documented experience of harassment before all of this drama went down. And in contrast, his lawsuit feels very much reactionary to everything that happened. Right, right. Okay, so then there was the marketing takeover.
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So Blake Lively allegedly sidelined Baldoni and his team during the film's promotional campaign, staring the messaging away from its intended focus on domestic violence awareness. Lively reportedly barred Baldoni from the main premiere event, relegating him to a separate holding area. I saw someone online say this, and I definitely agree.
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But anyway, as the premiere approached, tension between the cast and crew became very apparent, fueling rumors of discord that started much earlier. However, at the time, no one knew what really happened, except that the cast and Justin Baldoni promoted the movie separately. And no one from the cast would discuss working with Justin in any press for the movie.
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We just need someone from Sony to say this was the marketing plan by Sony. Yeah. Or this was the marketing plan by Blake that Sony agreed to. Because I just feel like that will clear this part up. Totally. Totally. And this part is honestly, I don't care about this part a ton. Like, I think this is where Justin's, like...
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and lawsuit is sort of successful because he's kind of distracting people from the bigger crimes that I believe that he committed. You know, crimes is a strong word, but the bigger actions I think that are more damning. On the flip side though, even if Sony came out with a marketing plan that included not talking about domestic violence, really just making a story of hope,
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That doesn't mean it's the time to make it a floral aesthetic sartorial bonanza. That doesn't mean it's the time to promote your hair. Yeah, totally. And launch that doesn't mean it's the time to promote your alcohol brand. Those were all decisions in severe miscalculations on the part of Blake Lively.
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So, again, it's like I feel like we almost just keep coming back to like both are low-key guilty. Yes. I think the actions that Justin Baldoni has allegedly committed are very serious and make women feel uncomfortable. And then I think there are the Blake Lively's and the Ryan Reynolds of Hollywood that are just powerhouses who maybe just will come into a set and do exactly what they want. Right.
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Right. To me, those are just like two different types of people. Two different types of people that are very difficult to work with. Yes. For different reasons. Right. And if I had to diagnose it, I would say Justin Baldoni clearly has serious issues. And I think Blake Lively has her own serious issues.
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And I guess what I will say is I'd rather work with someone who's, if I had to choose between the two of them, someone who has bad style and someone who's like a steamrolling boss, maybe a nightmare to work with versus a guy who makes me feel uncomfortable and unsafe. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think it bears repeating that there's been a ton of support for Blake.
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So Colleen Hoover posted on Instagram, calling Blake honest, kind, supportive, and patient. Robin Lively, her sister, posted to her stories. All of the girls from the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants have come out in support. Kate Beckinsale, Gwyneth Paltrow, Amy Schumer.
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Also, Jenny Slate, her co-star, expressed solidarity, saying the smear campaign was terribly dark, disturbing, and wholly threatening. Mm hmm. I feel like there's a lot of correspondence that maybe is worth talking about between his team, like internally about her, internally about her. Some of it's positive. Some of it's them just expressing, you know, I don't know. Well, yeah.
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But apart from all the support from Blake, I think that the problem is that there really is some compelling evidence on Justin's side. And if this feels a little bit like whiplash as we're discussing this, everyone, it feels like that for us, too. Right. Because of the validity we feel on both sides. Yes.
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You can see messages, internal communications between Justin and other executives at Wayfair where there's a positive headline about Blake. And they say, that's great. Like, she deserves this win. It'd be great if a Sony executive could come out in support of Justin or praise Justin publicly. But it's great for her to have this win.
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It seems like in their communications, they weren't trying to engage in a smear campaign. They were just trying to be defensive of Justin. And they were a lot more balanced in... in their treatment of Blake and in the way they even talked about her privately. Right. Then what the New York Times alleges. Right. Exactly.
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I think with this case, and this might sound like a non-answer answer, but I think there's a lot that is in the gray. And then there is like some very few things that are totally black and white. Exactly. Well, I feel like with that, whatever the truth, whatever the truth, we wanted to present you with a as comprehensive as possible recap of this. Not a huge 10 part series.
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And everyone online seemed to be turning against Blake Lively. If you'll remember that viral video of Blake Lively being rude to that interviewer who says, congrats on your little bump. And Blake is really snarky. And she says, congrats on your little bump, which just totally ignited widespread disapproval. And, you know, this sort of cancel Blake Lively mentality.
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Some other amazing podcasters have been doing that. So if you want to get like way deeper in this, would encourage you to seek those out. I know that not everyone wants this to become an it ends with us podcast. So we're probably going to move on to other programming topics. Next week. I'm ready. Yeah. If there are big breaks in the story, of course, we're going to cover it.
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I'm glad we've had the chance to discuss it. And we've just tried to be as fair and balanced, but also as appropriately judgy as possible. Right. Of course. Thank you so much for listening. We love you listeners and we will be back. Thank you so much, everyone. Bye. Bye.
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In contrast, people seem to really love Justin. They love that he took a really serious approach to the topic of domestic violence when promoting the film. And he was lauded as a feminist hero, even winning an award for amplifying the voices of victims of abuse.
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Just before Christmas, when chatter surrounding the movie had died down and Blake Lively's reputation was essentially destroyed, Blake dropped a bombshell legal complaint against Justin Baldoni, Wayfarer Studios, and others that revealed what Blake alleged actually went down on the set of It Ends With Us. So I think we should just take a little moment here.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
We had all sort of come to terms with the fact that Blake Lively sucks and we were kind of over it ends with us all that drama from the summer. And then this bombshell hits right before Christmas and just totally rocks our world.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So before we get into what Blake alleges happened and her list of demands, let's note that because of the SAG-AFTRA strike, this list of demands that she put out didn't come till after that. So basically, she had to deal with all of this before the strike even happened. And it wasn't until the strike happened that then they paused on everything.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
And then when they came back, she said, this is what I want to happen. This is how things need to go from here on out. Yeah, and most actors and actresses are under such pressure to not hold up production because so much money is spent for every minute everyone is on set.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So most likely, Blake would have never been able to have voiced these concerns in any way that would have paused production at all. So she kind of was lucky that they had that pause. She could then have all of these concerns come out and have them addressed before they went back to set.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Okay, so the following is a list of demands that Blake made to Wayfarer, to Justin Baldoni, for how she wanted production to proceed once they came back from the strike. And this all came out in Blake's complaint. Blake said she demanded no more showing nude videos or images of women, including the producer Jamie Heath's wife, to Blake Lively and or employees.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So what is in the complaint is that on the day that Blake was set to film the birth scene, she was pressured to simulate full nudity, even though that wasn't in the script at all. And this was just, you know, sprung on her by Justin and Jamie. Justin insisted that women give birth naked. And he claimed that his wife ripped off her hospital gown during birth.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Well, well, well, the long awaited deep dive of the Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni drama on the set of It Ends With Us. We have one legal complaint. We have one full lawsuit. So much to get into today. There's 160 plus pages to cover. We have a lot to dig into, everyone. We've been waiting to speak on this till we were fully prepared and I'm excited. I'm excited too.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
And he said it wasn't normal for a woman to not be naked during birth. Jamie Heath showed her a video of his wife giving birth nude when Blake felt uncomfortable and objected to this and said maybe his wife wouldn't have appreciated this. He said, my wife isn't weird about that stuff. Kind of implying that Blake was a prude. Yeah.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So Blake is feeling very pressured in this moment to have this scene be nude. And she compromised and she said, I'll have it be semi-nude, nude from the chest down. And she says in the complaint that the set was not set up for a nude scene that day. The way that they ordinarily would do that is they would close the set. They would only have essential personnel on set.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
They would not have all the monitors on. People's personal devices would not be allowed to be on set. But instead, it was the opposite. Everyone had their phones, their iPads, all the monitors were on. Anyone could walk in and out of that set. And she found out, okay, when she's in the stirrups, And she apparently only had a little piece of cloth covering her genitalia.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
She finds out that the person who's going to be playing her OBGYN is Justin's friend. Ordinarily, you know, for a role of that nature, a local actor would have been hired. But instead, Justin just had his friend do it. So Justin's friend is going to be near her mostly naked body and near her almost naked genitalia, which she said she found to be invasive and humiliating.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Additionally, Steve Sarowitz, the billionaire co-founder of Wayfarer, he was only on set a few days during filming It Ends With Us, and he happened to be on set that day. So she objected to barely being covered at all in between takes, and it was only after she objected multiple times that she was given something to cover herself. This is what she alleges in her complaint.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So I did a little bit of extra research into nude scenes, sexual scenes, how that all works like with SAG, SAG writers and that type of thing. And there is just so much prep that goes into that in terms of scripting everything exactly out. What is going to be shown? What's going to be covered while certain things are being shown? Also, the movements.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Additionally, like, I mean, it goes into extreme detail, I think, to protect people and so that also actors feel like they know what to expect, right? It says, you know, you're going to be covered this much when your people are going to immediately have. I think it's like I can't remember. They call the garment something.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
But basically, like you'll be covered completely when you don't need to be showing anything. And just basically just going to all these lengths to make sure that the actor knows when they're going to be uncovered and when they will be covered and to just like make them feel comfortable.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So I think that just kind of shows how haphazard this situation was and how, of course, Blake would feel uncomfortable. Also, she's postpartum. Right. Right. Like, she's literally just given birth. That area is still, like, I don't need to go into any more detail. But I find it particularly enraging that this woman has had four children.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So why is Justin Baldoni mansplaining to her how childbirth goes down? Like, fuck off. Respectfully. His wife ripped off her hospital gown. It's not normal. She's not weird about that stuff. Okay. Let's move on. Yes.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Also, all of these demands, and I feel like demand is a very charged word, but all of this list of parameters that Blake now wants followed all begin basically with the phrase no more. So the next one, no more mention of Justin Baldoni or Jamie Heath's pornography addiction or Blake Lively's lack of pornography conception to Blake or to other crew members.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So it's alleged that Justin would bring up pornography and she would want him to shut up about it. And he would bring up specifics of pornography, like assuming she had seen similar videos. And she said, I've never seen it. She says, trying to make him shut up. And at a later date, when he brings up porn again in front of other cast and crew, he says, well, Blake's never seen porn.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
And she felt that this was really embarrassing and really inappropriate. Her consumption or lack of consumption of erotic material is not fodder for public discussion. Right. Absolutely. The next demand is no more discussion to Blake Lively and or her employees about personal experiences with sex, including as it relates to spouses or others.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
I've been dying to chat about it with you. Everyone, we're going to try to take this as chronologically as possible to try to make it make sense. And we're going to just really give a comprehensive overview of everything that's going on. So we are also going to try to stick to the facts.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So another thing that's mentioned in this complaint is that Justin let Blake know that he and his wife climaxed together because he wanted a scene of Ryle and Lily climaxing together. That was not in the script that she originally sent into. He also wanted to add a scene where there was a shot of her orgasming on camera. And this, again, she did not agree to it.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
And he said, well, my wife and I, we orgasm together. Do you and your husband orgasm together? Allegedly. And she found this to be an invasive. Really? I don't think that's an ending. There's nothing invasive about that. His wife's not weird about that. OK, moving on to the next one.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
No more mention to Blake Lively or her employees of personal times that physical consent was not given in sexual acts as either the abuser or the abused.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So the documents describe a car ride with Blake, her assistant and driver during production, wherein Justin allegedly claimed to Lively, quote, that he had been sexually abused by a former girlfriend and quote, which then caused him to, quote, reexamine his past. Baldoni then claimed, did I always ask for consent? No. Did I always listen when they said no? No.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Adding, this was an example of how we all have things from which we can learn and grow. Lively claimed that when Baldoni exited the car, her driver immediately remarked that he did not want Miss Lively to be alone with Mr. Baldoni going forward. I get that the driver is Blake's employee. And so I don't know, maybe this quote never happened.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
But in my opinion, this third party, like neutral observation of Justin Baldoni is pretty damning. It's pretty weird. First of all, this is a horrible thing to say that it's one thing to say, did I always ask for consent? I feel like that's something that was. introduced into the conversation, you know, in the past decade or so. It hasn't always been something that we really talked about.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Right, right. Or actively thought about in a super serious way. Right. But the idea of, did I listen when they said no? No? I'm sorry, what? Yeah. So I'm not going to derail with a large side conversation, but something that has been really sitting with me as I've been poring over all this is I think...
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
where Justin Baldoni fails me or where I feel like an issue with him is is that I think he's a guy who tries to be very honest and just because you're extremely honest and because you're also you know a self-appointed ally or whatever but even even if you talk about all that stuff you can still make people really uncomfortable with the things that you say right you can you can be an ally someone who says you're an ally and still make people uncomfortable with your honesty and
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Not everyone wants to know about the pornography you watch or other things like that. So just these are my own musings from these documents. And I think this perfectly tees up the next demand, which is no more descriptions of their genitalia to Blake Lively. OK, maybe she doesn't want to hear about.
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We're going to give, of course, some commentary, but we're going to try not to get sidetracked about Blake Lively's style, for example. I think we've had that conversation. There is one thing I want to talk about with the beanie. Okay. And that's the only thing I'm going to say, and we'll get to it when we get to it, and I'll keep it concise. But anyway, let's get started. Let's get started.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Maybe he excuses himself by saying I'm an ally or all these other things, but you can still make inappropriate jokes. Absolutely. So the next one, no more jokes or disparaging comments to be made to Blake Lively and her employees about HR complaints Wayfarer has already received on set or about missing the HR meeting.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
So that was basically apparently on set when someone would say that they were a little uncomfortable or kind of check him in some way, he would bristle and And kind of disparage them or try to make them feel like they're being prudish or annoying by saying, I guess I missed the HR meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Moving on to the next one.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
No more inquiries by Justin Baldoni to Blake Lively's trainer without her knowledge or consent to disclose her weight. So allegedly, Justin has a bad back and he inquired to Blake Lively's trainer about how much she weighed so that he could train correctly to perform the like a scene, I guess, where he was going to be lifting her. Right.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
And that is what he says is that all of this obsession with her weight, it was all about him wanting to feel comfortable with this scene lifting her. My advice is let's just cut this scene where you're lifting her up. I'm good. I'm good on the lifting scene. Yeah. That is not central to the storyline. Yeah. Yeah. Let's cut the climaxing together scene and let's cut the lifting scene. We're good.
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255:BLAKE LIVELY VS. JUSTIN BALDONI PART ONE! BLAKE'S COMPLAINT AGAINST JUSTIN & JUSTIN'S LAWSUIT AGAINST NYT
Yeah. Okay. No more mention of Justin Baldoni speaking to Blake Lively's dead father or mentioning his religious beliefs or asking her to share hers. So there's also like, please stop asking me to stage my employees. This guy has a lot of like spiritual mumbo jumbo going on. Yes. And part of that included wanting to sage, very L.A. Part of that included saying he could speak to dead people.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
As part of this, Jamie discussed a dessert that was dropped off by the Duchess of Sussex. Yes. And she knew that this dessert was from the Duchess of Sussex because on the card, you guys, on the card to her best friend, the note on the basket said, with the compliments of Her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Sussex. Where do I where do I start with this? I mean, you have the floor. OK, we're OK.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I'm sorry. I'm just going to keep going for a second. We are best friends. If I, and that's how they frame themselves. Yes. You come over and we just sit together and chat. We sit in pajamas with no makeup. Mm-hmm. Please, go on. Talking into the void. Can you imagine if I dropped a gift over at your house? By the way, it was strawberry sauce and straw-bought ice cream.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
She wasn't exactly knitting a blanket for her children. Right. Okay? But she threw together a beautiful gift, whatever. But I signed the card with compliments. Her Royal Highness, the Duchess of San Juan. Where we both live, everyone. Yes. Elizabeth and I both live in San Juan, Puerto Rico, which is where we met, which we'll get into. Yes.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
It was spectacular. It was really, really beautiful. And this is what I will say. I had no idea, really, how stressed out we all should have been about the weather. Because it was a beautiful wedding in Prospect Park at the boathouse, and half of it was outside. And if we had done it all inside, it would have been candlelit and gorgeous. Yeah. But it would not have been the same outside.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I think this is such an astute point that I didn't think of. And I 100% believe you because you know that there's not any world where this was just casually Jamie just like, you know, oh my gosh, I'm going to take a picture of that.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
jam and that ice cream she dropped off to show what a great homemaker you know and just incredible host and giving friend megan is no this was entirely strategic yes it was meant to support as ever yeah like you said preserves are a product yes and so the the homemade raspberry preserve sauce was absolutely very tangential to her core business yes and using the hrh it is using it in commercial purposes this is advertising it absolutely is
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And to say that it's not is willful ignorance.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
That's our phrase of the day. Yeah, which we shall not be on this podcast. No, never. No. That is such an astute point. And I just, I come back to the idea, if you're good friends with someone, you're not signing with your title.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
So I think there could be two theories here. And I think this is an excellent question. One theory, and I think this could be true, is that Meghan is just, well, we actually know this. So this isn't quite a theory. But one person could say Meghan's just obsessed with being royal. She clearly is.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Have you seen the TikTok of her where they show her about to read a children's book and she's like, I'm Megan, the Duchess of Sussex, and today I'm going to be reading this book. Oh my God. And then they flash to Catherine reading to children and she's like, my name is Catherine and today I'm going to be reading this. And they're like, no caption needed. Yes.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And it was the most radiant, warm, 80 degree day. Thank God. I know the weather was not looking great. The forecast was looking a little precarious. It was. And ever since the wedding, it has been rainy. It has been horrific. Today's a disaster. Today is a disaster. Complete disaster. The day after their wedding, it was terrible weather. So anyway, they just got so lucky. Ugh. I'm so glad.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Megan is obsessed with the Duchess title. She's going to let Mindy Kaling know she's no longer Megan Markle. She is. She's like a hammer with a nail. Yes. Like a hammer with a nail when it comes to being the Duchess of Sussex. Yes.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
There's a very revealing story in it, which is when Harry asked the queen, the late queen, if he can marry Meghan. Have you heard the story? Please, no. Okay, so in Harry's book, this is in his own words. This is him on the record. Yeah. In his memoir, he says that he went to Queen Elizabeth to ask her. They were at her country estate.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And, you know, it is required by law that he ask whoever he's going to marry, that he ask the queen to propose to whoever he would like to marry. Yes.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
So anyway, so she he says to her, I, you know, I believe I have to ask you if I can propose to Megan. I would like to propose to Megan. What the queen's exact response was, was nine words. She said, well, then I suppose I have to say yes. The queen was not into Meghan. I think we can be honest about that.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
That is absolutely shocking. So surprising. You know what? Okay. This is also a very good point someone made. Yeah. So someone quoted Meghan because Meghan in the Netflix documentary said, I started to understand very quickly that the formality on the outside carried through on the inside.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
that there's a forward-facing way of being. And then you close the door and you go, oh, great. Okay, we can relax now. But that formality carries over on both sides. That was surprising to me. So Megan talks about how she just wanted to be like barefoot in the kitchen with ripped jeans, giving Kate a big bear hug, you know? And Kate was very formal. And that was her
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
That was her complaint she lodged with Oprah. Yes. I'm sorry, but Meghan is now, years later, having only spent, you know, a year and a half, essentially, in the UK as a working royal. She's going by her royal highness with her best friend.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah, it was beautiful. Everything went super well. I'll save the full recap with Chan. We are going to be debriefing entirely for Global Elites on Monday. Amazing. Yes. So we'll be chatting all things the wedding. But today is a special episode because we do have a lot to get into pop culture wise, but we're also kind of doing some vacation themed stuff here today, right? We definitely are.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah, it's such a good point because being a royal is boring. Being a royal is doing a lot of work you don't want to do.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
It's a life of public service. It's not a life of going to the San Vicente bungalows, going to private celebrity clubs, launching... Netflix shows, having a fucking shopmite. You don't get to have a shopmite and be an HRH bitch. Like, I'm sorry. You just don't.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Well, also, again, like you said, the royal life is not what they're doing. What they're doing is filled with a lot more pleasure, excitement, money, you know, independence, freedom. When she met Harry, apparently all he had, not all he had, obviously this is a lot of money, But he had $20 million as an inheritance from, I believe, Diana. But that was it.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
William is the one who will inherit virtually everything. Now they're worth much, much more because they've capitalized on being royalty. And they don't... You know, they're not really royalty anymore. They don't do any of the work. And so I do think that I understand. And this brings us to our next topic, which is Prince William's fury over this. So...
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
This is according to the Daily Beast, but an enraged Prince William reportedly plans to strip Meghan Markle and Prince Harry of their HRH titles formally once he inherits the British throne from King Charles III. So the quote from a royal insider says, "...Charles might be happy to put up with this, but William will not be."
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Referencing Meghan's use of her HRH title alongside her lifestyle products, including a pricey jam. Quote, he loathes and despises Harry and Meghan with every bone in his body. He believes they've betrayed everything the family stands for, and the idea that they're using their royal status as a calling card will enrage him. The insider continues, Charles has completely lost control.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
The insider said, in part, adding that it's, quote, apparent that Harry and Meghan have every intention of making his final years a misery. Meghan, using her HRH, exposes how weak and enfeebled he is. She knows he won't do anything. There's no way King William will stand for this. The titles will simply be removed. when he is king. A way will be found.
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In honor of Chandler being on vacation.
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Yeah, and I kind of go back to it and I think, I honestly really believe that there was a lot of rancor and I don't think it was amicable. Yeah. I think that I honestly get the sense that Queen Elizabeth was not into Meghan. That's why she said, I have to say yes when he asked to propose.
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I think that Meghan made, you know, the Queen's final years a misery, just like this insider is saying that she's making King Charles' final years somewhat of a misery. And I think it was more that they would have had to do the Act of Parliament to remove Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Yep. The HRH thing, she said you can't use it for commercial purposes.
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And I think what this article is saying is that William is going to say, no, you just can't use it, period. He's going to have that formally in stone. I don't believe that there's any intention to remove Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
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Which, I'll be honest, is annoying to me.
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Manifest it in some way. Yeah. We can opine about vacations. Yeah. At least. Yeah. One of Elizabeth's great friends is Natalie Obradovich. She's the photographer. She's a travel photographer and an influencer. Yep. She spends every summer on Capri. So we do a really fun Amalfi Coast tips and tricks and Capri recommendation segment at the end of this episode.
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I'm happy for Harry to be the Duke of Sussex till the end of his days. Yes. He did not ask for this life. He was born into it and it was thrust upon him. Yes. Fine. But Meghan, her obsession of being the Duchess of Sussex and just shoving it down everyone's throats is just so annoying. And then the fact that, you know, she'll always have that title. I'll be honest, it's a little... It's a little...
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It's very irritating. She will continue to use it and flout it as much as possible as we've seen. She absolutely will. So, sorry, everyone. This is becoming a Royals episode. Yes. We're getting excited. But final piece of Royal news. Prince Harry has lost his appeal. He appealed to the courts in the UK. I don't really know the exact terminology, but he appealed... There are courts.
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There are courts. And he appealed a court case, you know, essentially...
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trying to beseeching the courts for security for him and his family this was denied and he has lost his case the uk taxpayers will not be funding his security when he and megan and their family go to the uk so in a little bit of like a course reversal i won't say correction but a little bit reversing course here i actually am team harry on this one um
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I think that, and this is what he says in the interview, he says that not giving them security was a way for Charles to try to keep him in, right? Yes. Because it's scary to not have security if you're one of the most hounded people in the world and security is extremely expensive. And what he says is basically, yes, this was used as like, As leverage. Yeah. You know, to try.
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There's carrots and there's sticks. And this was used as a stick to try to keep them in. And what Harry said is that when they realized this was not going to work, they should still at least want him and his family to be safe and provide them with that security. But it is not happening. And Harry claims that Prince Charles, if he wanted it to go through, he absolutely.
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Could step aside and let it happen. I think kind of more probably like use his powers and step in. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, also, I think that not only are they not invited, but I will say if this was an issue where Charles just thought, I don't want the UK taxpayer to be annoyed. Yes. I'll just pay for the security when they're here. Yes. King Charles is so rich. The Windsors do really well.
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And to kind of celebrate the segment, celebrate vacation in general, we are doing a really fun giveaway, everyone. Yes. So you don't need to listen to that segment. I know not everyone is going to Italy this summer. Yes. Most summers I'm not in Italy. So correct. I think my first summer going to Italy and just not for a summer, just for a week or two was last summer anyway.
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So he absolutely could afford to hire the security for Harry and Meghan on their semi-annual or annual UK trip out for the family reunion or just doing whatever. And I think he should. That is my hot take. You have that image of Prince Harry walking behind his mother's casket. And you just think this kid was put to work by this family from a very young age.
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Yes, he's one of the most privileged people in the world. He is also, though, under the biggest microscope in the world.
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something that he didn't ask for yeah and i just think as a parent yeah especially as a grandparent you should just say and feel that you know all these things aside your security and safety should be paramount and yes again you you did not chase after this we thrusted upon you yeah so we're gonna at least provide that security because there are true wackadoodles in this world especially with harry and megan yeah the vitriol against megan i mean there are real psychos out there yep so i don't know this for me
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It just corroborates Harry and Meghan's case that this was such a toxic family to honestly need to escape from. Yes. Also, when you consider that one of the things they talked about a lot is how, you know, each essentially royal household, like Kate and William have their household, they have their press office, then so do Charles and Camilla.
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And what they said is that, you know, they would essentially trade stories with the press. They would give a bad story to the press in order to deflect attention away from something they had done. Yes. And so you know that, you know, they basically fed, I believe that they did feed Harry and Meghan to the wolves. Yes.
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And most likely to deflect attention away from Andrew when all the Epstein stuff was going down. Yeah. That's probably enough royal. I know. We could keep going. We have to cut ourselves off. We really do. You guys, I recently took a long haul flight with my friend Elizabeth. And as she walked up to me in the airport, she was wearing the most gorgeous cashmere set.
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I want to bring everyone back to when things were good between them on social media. It started as Rick and Chelsea in the White Lotus. And apparently they had a very close relationship off screen as well. So this is what Walton commented on her Instagram seven months ago. He says, you are the brightest light in every room. A human's human. Miss you. Followed by two fox emojis.
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Seven months later, however, they're not even following each other on social media. So Walton has officially been asked about this. This was in an interview with the Sunday Times. Walton says, I'm not going to have that conversation. And his American publicist piped in and said, we're not going there. Thank you. The British publicist said, next question.
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So later in the interview, the reporter describes how he tried to broach the topic of Amy Lou Wood again. And the publicist interjected to suggest they talk about his upcoming film, The Uninvited. Walton said there's no conversation to be had about that. I guess the interviewer also tried a third time and then the interview ended. I mean, thank you for doing the Lord's work to this interviewer.
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That's the journalism I'm after in 2025. Completely.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
The song was Silver Springs, right?
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They could be on the path to. A reconciliation. A reconciliation. Okay, he is following her. They're following each other again. They're calling each other again.
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I don't... The press, you know, went crazy. There were some crazy stories. We are great. Yeah. And then I think you could just leave it there, right? I mean, if we go back to the Karen Reid thing, Jennifer McCabe, she's a little convincing when she's like, that Google search, she says, I didn't delete it, even though it was marked as deleted. And he could just say, I didn't unfollow her.
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100%.
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Jason Isaacs said about filming White Lotus, he says, it was like a cross between summer camp and Lord of the Flies, but in a gilded cage. It wasn't a holiday. Some people got very close. There were friendships that were made and friendships that were lost. Oh, and in February, Walton told People Magazine, Amy was, quote, the person that mattered most to me during the experience.
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Even though my friends were there, we both became enmeshed in each other. The way that Rick and Chelsea are, I think the world of her." Okay, it's clear. It's clear.
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You need not say more. And regardless of whatever happened, my feeling is that she was not into it after. You know, this was like a, I mean, and it kind of tracks, right? Like, I just, I feel like I could understand on some level that going down during filming and then coming out of that and being like, I actually am not interested in this, like, much older guy. That was circumstantial. Yeah.
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We're together every day. He's the scorned lover. And he is 100%. He was a scorned lover. I definitely believe that. But I like to see that whatever happened, It seems like he's trying to make it work with his actual, you know, marital union. Yes. And that is at least good.
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So it'll be interesting. Time will tell all things. Time will also tell the fate of Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson. Jordan with an O, which is a very unusual spelling. There's a lot of unusual things about this girl.
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Probably the least interesting of which is the spelling of her name. I mean, I feel like what's interesting about Jordan is apparently, you know, she is playing one of the oldest games in the book, okay? Which is dating an older guy for his wealth and power. Yeah. Women have done this for a long time. They have. This is not new news. This is not new news. And Jordan is not a trailblazer.
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Jordan has purchased in the last two years apparently $9 million of real estate, allegedly. And people believe this is, you know, Bill Belichick is signing the check for these properties. Yeah. So she's playing this game in a really smart way. Yeah. Setting herself up really well.
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It's the nether regions. It may be the nether... The lens of a different... I guess, but have a relationship with her. She doesn't need... You don't need to work with her. She's 24 years old. But I think that she's calling the shots, you know, and it's all on her terms. And I think that she's clearly wants a return on the investment of her time spent with Bill Belichick. It's not working.
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She's losing... It's not working for him, and it's really embarrassing, right? And I think he's pretty mortified. Yes. And... You know, he does have this book coming out, and he has complained, like, this is all basically people are talking about. Yes.
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And when she said during the interview, she said, we're not going there, when they just asked how he met her, that's kind of suspicious, don't you think?
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Right.
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You came with the receipts today. So thank you. And I think that really goes to show, as you said, how the family feels about this union. Yes. It's really about as bad as it can get. And this is my feeling. It's like, why not just go for someone who's 36? If you're over 70, just start in the mid-30s. This demographic. Like, honestly, I would never, okay?
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And, you know, you have your Jordans to choose from, so that works. Yes. But there are plenty of, you know, women around my age who probably would be down. Whatever. It's just, like, going for that very young, young girl... Honestly, I don't know. I just think it should be illegal. It's just so gross in my opinion. And truly, it's as bad as it could be for his kids and his ex-wife.
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Honestly, if I was his ex-wife, I would just think, wow, what a loser. But for his kids, it's so embarrassing.
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It's lecherous, and it's just appalling. It really is. Okay, well, final piece of news before we sign off today. By the way, this has been so fun. Can we come back tomorrow? We absolutely can. I'm truly obsessed with having you on. The Beckhams. They are feuding right now, okay? So, David Beckham... had his 50th birthday.
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I actually had a little bit of a moment when I realized that he's only 16 years older than me. In my head, David Beckham is 30 years older than me. He's like in a completely different generation. He's like John Travolta in my head. That's so interesting. Really? Yeah. I just, I don't know. I'm like, I'm not that much younger than David Beckham. I'm a lot less accomplished, but I would
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You just trot it around. There we go. Yeah. Okay. So giveaway is up and live. So exciting. And if you are traveling to the Amalfi Coast or Capri this summer and want to listen to the wrecks at the end of this episode, stay tuned for those. Okay. Housekeeping out of the way. Yeah. We can settle into that. Thank you for that. You're welcome.
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But you are, yeah. I think that's safe to say. Yes. But we're not that far apart in age. I don't know if anyone else had that realization. Yeah. Anyway, long story short, that was like the least interesting commentary I can make. Apologies, everyone. David Beckham celebrated his 50th birthday with a huge bash. Yeah. This is a big deal, right? Your dad turns 50. Yes. This is like a wedding.
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It's huge. You're going to go. You're a Beckham.
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And it's probably going to be a banger of a party. Completely. And you know all these kids like to party, for sure. Yeah. If there's anything we can say for sure, it's that. So apparently Brooklyn Beckham and Nicole Peltz skipped out on this celebration. Yeah.
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They requested that they could come see David before, but David said that they either joined the bash or didn't come at all, so they sent birthday wishes. I'm always wondering what that means.
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Is this... What are we... Probably just an errant text. What are we doing? Okay, a passive-aggressive text. And news has broke that Brooklyn is apparently feuding with Romeo over the latter's relationship with Kim Turnbull. So, apparently, Brooklyn dated this girl named Kim Turnbull. She actually seems really cool. She is a model and DJ. She models for a lot of the cool brands. Yeah.
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She's just a really hot young girl, and she dated Brooklyn, and now she's dating Romeo. And Brooklyn and Nicola are clearly not interested in being in her presence. Yeah. And that is why they did not attend David's 50th birthday.
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Well, and it's also, it's curious to side with the girlfriend who is now with the brother. Yes. And has been with your other son. Yes. She has a type. Rather than the wife. Yes. So do you have any intelligence? Okay, if you don't, but I'm curious if you, if you have any foundational knowledge on the feud between Victoria and Nicola. I have high level. Okay.
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Well, I think that Victoria Beckham is obviously Victoria Beckham married to David Beckham. Yes. And what I remember reading at the time was that when this falling out happened, Nicola ostensibly treated this wedding planner terribly. I remember Chandler and I covered it. They, like, fired her...
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just before and it was just this awful situation yeah um and there was all this drama but apparently also nicola and victoria beckham just really butted heads and i think that if you're victoria beckham you're probably used to kind of being the alpha in almost every room you're in and so maybe there was just this tension between this girl who is an heiress and
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and doesn't feel like she needs to kowtow to the Victoria Beckham. In fact, she could feel like she maybe is a higher echelon. The Brits are very into status and hierarchy, obsessed. And so maybe that was a lot of the source of that frustration was that competition.
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And I'm sure that the pecking order just started to feel very unnatural for Victoria, who assumed that whoever, you know, Brooklyn was going to marry would probably, you know, just love having the iconic Victoria Beckham. Exactly. As a mother-in-law. And also just getting to, you know, hang in their country house with the barbecue and David cleaning up and the Dolly Parton playing. Yes. Yes.
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That's what dreams are made of for some people, but not for Nicola. No. Not for Nicola Peltz, who... She's not impressed. She's not impressed. And frankly, she's probably been in much nicer places and homes. It's possible. And probably has been to nicer parties and has no interest in David's 50th bash. Other places to be.
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places to be well this has been a gorgeous episode with you my dearest i'm so fun thank you for coming on everyone elizabeth is truly one of my favorite people on this earth and i'm so happy you came on your observations are so astute you're just so smart and hilarious and i'm obsessed with you oh well i've been listening to you for years so i'm just trying to you know Trying to keep up.
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And with that, we'll cut to our little bonus segment. Thanks, everyone. Love you. Thanks for coming. With Mother's Day coming up, I've been thinking about the incredible moms in my life. My mom, my mother-in-law, my sister Courtney.
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Took a lot of restraint. It's funny that you say that because Chandler, she doxxed herself basically. She did this little Global Elite mini episode on Friday and she said where her wedding was because she didn't think it was coming out until after her wedding. Oh my gosh. So I am curious if anyone like showed up just to take a look, take a gander.
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They are all just such goals of vibrant women who have incredible full lives and just imbue that everyday magic into their life by being wonderful moms, and they deserve to be celebrated. The experience of being a mom, having a mom, or loving like one looks different for everyone.
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Visit betterhelp.com slash popapologist to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp.com slash popapologist. Well, well, well, I'm so excited because today we're doing a fun little bonus travel episode on summer travel to Italy, specifically the Amalfi Coast in Capri. And we have a true expert joining us, Natalie Obradovich, joining us, the queen of Capri. Yes, truly.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I was just asking Natalie. Italians don't like that, but... It's the truth. They've been usurped. Yeah. I try not to say things like that, but yeah. That's so funny. That's amazing. Really, you have become synonymous with Capri. I think for a lot of us on Instagram, following the fashion girlies, following the influencers, you spend every summer there.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Well, well, well, today is a very special episode because Chandler is on her honeymoon, everyone. She's working soft. She's on a beach somewhere. And I have brought the other blonde in my life, the third blonde in my life to the show today. So blessed. My bestie, Elizabeth Chandler. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you so much for having me. This is such an honor. Oh my gosh, you are so nice.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
You have a book published of your photographs called Italian Summer. You are an expert on all things travel.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
If you did, I would just be so curious and honestly tickled.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
So I'm happy about it. Well, it's such a dream place, and there are so many people that really want to go. It's a huge bucket list destination. For people who, like, let's say they've never been to the Amalfi Coast before, they've never been to Capri. What part of it do you think they need to make sure they go to?
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Because my thought was like the worst case scenario is a few cute NYC, like everyone who listens to us is super cute. Yes. And so the worst thing that could happen is a few cute New York City girls show up for a cocktail.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
When Kagan and I went last summer, we actually had a disastrous trip to the Amalfi Coast, which is why this episode is more needed than ever in these times, clearly. It's a PSA because we did things incorrectly. We stayed at Santa Catarina for two nights, and then we went to a hotel in Positano for, I forget how many nights.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And then we went to Capri, and then we went to Nerano, and it was just like constant schlepping, exhausting. And by the end of it, we were run ragged.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Well, I think that also I remember when I went to Aurora last time, we could not get a reservation in advance. Then our concierge at the hotel got us a reservation. And when I got there, I was like, oh, you know, hotel, Jumeirah, whatever. And it was very clear that there were no reservations. Like this lady was just like barely handling the storm of people. Yeah.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And she was just kind of like putting her name on the list. And we still stood outside for like an hour and a half.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
No, it was just a random photographer who was across the bridge during the ceremony and who took a video. It's such a great video. It looks planned. I know. It was very, very special. Everyone, it went so well. I cannot wait to share all the details. I do have a wedding-related listener question that I think we should weigh in on today. Okay, everyone. This question left me floored. Okay.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And hope for the best.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
book what you can ahead of time otherwise these people are very casual i think that the vibe is very just come up and we'll try to get you in and if you can't get in then you have like a plan b or plan c and you'll be able to get into one of them so i will say i will say this the weekends are very different than the weekdays okay so very different like thursday friday saturday are going to get really crazy and then like the earlier in the week like if you
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I think one of the things about it... It's important to note is so much of the beauty of it really is the natural beauty. And you don't need to go and stay at San Pietro and Positano to have a good time like that.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
So that was actually what I really wanted to get to because what Kagan and I did that was a mistake is we basically just still stayed at the top end of our budget. But what that landed us in was hotels that felt expensive to us but were not great because everything is so overpriced there.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I wish we had just stayed in places that were budget and quaint and felt like a good deal so we weren't expecting anything exquisite. Instead of staying in places where we felt like the investment was big but then what we got was not good. So what are the good budget places?
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah. Thank you so much. OK, so amazing. When this episode comes out, we'll have a hit list for all the listeners for where they need to try to get to on their trip. OK, so if you're going this summer, if you're spending like a week, 10 days, we're thinking two spots. One should be Capri. Yeah, realistically. And then the other should be somewhere on the Amalfi Coast.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I'm preparing. When I got this question, I was honestly floored. And this is the perfect type of thing that we would voice note about into the oblivion. For hours. For hours. On end. For hours. Okay. So someone writes, they say, not just someone, this is a dear listener, an OG. They say, hi, I know sometimes you give advice and I need some as someone without sisters, if you're willing to help. No.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Because that is one of the most annoying parts is that getting from the off the coast to Capri. I mean, I'm already thinking about it in terms of getting there. And it's such a journey. So to make that its own little moment. To make it enjoyable.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
OK. Yeah.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Elizabeth is one of my style shamans.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
on this earth yeah no she is and she's giving me a lot of really good lessons and one of them is like is invest in the shoe invest in the bag invest in certain pieces you wear a ton and then try to get a lot of volume pieces from you know i will say at fast fashion stuff where it's more inexpensive and more accessible and you can get a lot of it because you know we have to get dressed every day so i think that's it's honestly where how most of us are shopping
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Exactly.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
No. Okay, listen. I was honestly in shock when I first saw it. I think engagement rings are super personal, emotional, and such a big, expensive purchase. I would never want to do or say anything that would potentially lead someone to regret their choice. So I chose not to say anything and just kind of got over it. I was feeling better about it until the other day.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
So for people, if you're traveling there for 10 days, I think a way to kind of apply this is bring maybe three to four day and night outfits. And I would say be very, very concise with your packing because most of the time if you're traveling there, you're going to be walking up and down stairs. It's really hard. Everything's on a cliff. So there can be lots of stairs.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
What would you say the style is? Because I know there are certain places where you want to be really... Like certain places you can travel. Yeah. You want to be really dressed up. Other places are a lot more casual. Yeah. We were talking before the episode about potentially getting in trouble if you're not covered up enough. So teach people how to dress.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah. Okay.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
The one thing to really note is like, this is the place where you want to spend that extra three hours really planning out your outfits, maybe longer and like know what you're bringing, know what you're packing because then you can pack so much less is when you pack in a minute and throw everything in your bag. Yeah. And then you can shop. Exactly.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I would rather save room to buy clothes when I'm there.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Really, the other thing to know, speaking of, like, clothes and fashion is, really, I would say, this is a hot take, but there isn't good shopping on the Amalfi Coast other than Capri. No, no, no, no, there's not. Like, it's, like, gift shop shopping.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
She posted a TikTok sharing each ring she tried on with a ranking and her opinion on it. Of course, my exact ring was second to last with a nine out of 10 ranking and a quote needs more. And then the next slide is her fatter ring. I find this incredibly rude. And I'm honestly just kind of shocked and sad about the whole thing. I commented a five on the post.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
That's such a good tip. People are really curious about if you're on Capri all summer. For me, I would be, like, a blimp by the end of it. So we want to hear about, like, how you're maintaining your gorgeous everything. Skin, body, I'll say it, okay? Looking good all summer. How are we doing this, Natalie?
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
So she knew I saw it, like basically saying I like that ring the best being my ring. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I like her style. Right. She basically wanted her to know that she's fully aware that she saw it. And in response to the comment, she said, I love your ring so much. We could have twinned. Like acknowledging. Acknowledging the reality of.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
What do you recommend for people who, let's say they're not necessarily looking to become a professional photographer, but they want to take beautiful artistic photos when they're on their trips. Do you have any travel photography tips? Like what cameras?
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I have a little contacts T2. Okay. I like having a little film camera trips. I feel like it just keeps me a little bit present in the moment, you know, looking for.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And then just to finish this out, I know that you guys have a quick story. Elizabeth, you have a story about? I do. I do.
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I'm sure you've helped fix a lot of people's vacations who are listening. So thank you so much for coming on and lending your expertise, Elizabeth. Thank you so much for co-hosting, sharing the mantle here at Pop Apologist. And you guys, thank you so much for listening. And we'll be back on Friday. Bye. Bye. Bye.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yes. There's like some plausible deniability. Yes. If you just have a similar-ish ring and it's slightly bigger. I mean, we can't all reinvent the wheel with rings here, especially I think if you've got a solitaire.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
it's not like an innumerable quantity exactly and if we're talking about something that's like a really i think a style a lot of people have which is a solitaire and i did i did take a look at um the link to the tiktok and it is a solitaire there's some plausible deniability like your ring is an emerald has two stones on the side if your sister-in-law did that it would be much more egregious because your ring is much more specific i think right yes i think that's fair
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
It's the TikTok. It's the TikTok showing her exact ring and then her affirming that it's her exact ring that she passed over that to me sends this into like the stratosphere of horrible behavior.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I dragged you reluctantly to join.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
But I just I think it's awful. It's so awful. And the thing I want to tell this listener is I think that the thing to be grateful for is that you're not this person, right? Because clearly this person is unwell that they would do this.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Well, I think it's I think we talk about this sometimes. Some people are just really self-absorbed and selfish, especially when it comes to all things weddings. And there's some willful ignorance. Yes. So they just don't really care if they're being rude. And I think in this case, this girl just really liked the ring. but wanted a bigger size, and she just didn't really care.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
In her mind, she didn't really want to think about it. Right. And she wanted to make that TikTok video, and that was her truth or whatever, you know?
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Well, you have rare sized shoes to fill. Yes. You know, lots of shoes to fill. I feel like there's so much to get into this week. So much has gone down pop culture wise. A lot of royal news. Yes. And I didn't want to do a solo episode because, A, I just really want people to get to know you. Everyone, if I'm not recording on this show, I'm probably voice noting Elizabeth.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And I think, yeah, I think that the takeaway is...
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
to this listener a just be so grateful you have the ring first so it was your idea it was what you wanted you were not the person copying and be also that you are of sound and healthy mind and you are not you know headed for the asylum someday because that's where this person this that's where this woman is surely going yes 100 probably in trouble for for saying that on some level but no that that never should have happened it's inexcusable i don't think there's any defense
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah. Yeah, so let us know if there's any updates, and we will definitely keep the listeners updated. Yeah. I also got some insider gossip tea on Meghan Markle this weekend. Did you? I did. Go on. Okay, so... Someone messaged me. This is someone I trust, someone I really enjoy and think the world of.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
And she said, I'm sitting here with a friend who used to work for Meghan Markle's PR company or her publicist. She was part of the PR firm that worked for Meghan Markle before she met Harry. Wow. Yeah. This is like BH. This is big. This is BH. And she says that Meghan, that it was their sole job to make Meghan more famous. Fine. That's what a publicist does, right? Yes, by definition. Yes.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Makes sense. And that's, you know, that's the game that these actors are playing, which is very lucrative. And that's completely fine. It's okay to be ambitious. Mm-hmm. She said the thing that's interesting, though, and of note, is that part of this person's job was creating the deck for Megan every time she would go to an event of all the rich and powerful men that would be there. No.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yes, exactly.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yes. They said you can put this out there off the record. It's on the record because the source is anonymous.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
I think that Meghan loves to have this image that she's like this Mother Teresa type figure, right? Like she was always doing charity work and just interested in charitable acts. Giving back. She's always interested in doing good. Empowering women. And she's just an old soul romantic who happened to fall in love with a prince. Yeah. Can't help who you fall in love with. You know, allegedly.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Allegedly. Yeah. And so I think that this narrative or this fact, it kind of flies in the face of that image as she seems to really carefully cultivate. Yes.
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We voice note back and forth constantly. And I just feel like you're one of the most funny, smart, wonderful people I know. And you're so chic. And I just want people to get to know you. So I'm so happy you're here in lieu of our other favorite Chandler. Yes. While she is sunning in Cancun. Yes. You know.
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Find out why Nutrafol is the best-selling hair growth supplement brand at Nutrafol.com spelled N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com promo code POP. That's Nutrafol.com promo code POP. Let's get into some Meghan news and then we can discuss more. Okay, perfect. So Meghan, it appears, uses her HRH title in private. So everyone, when Meghan and Harry left the royal fold, when Megxit happened as it was termed,
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
They absconded from the Cotswolds, from the UK, from the gardens to Santa Barbara de Montecito for freedom, for sunshine. And Meghan and Harry wanted to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. They wanted the American dream to build their own future away from the monarchy, away from those pressures. Really what they wanted was to have their cake and eat it too. That's exactly it.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
Yeah, they wanted to be working royals part time. They wanted to capitalize on their royalty through business dealings. They didn't want to be full time seconds in line to William and Catherine. Yes. So the queen, when this went down, she explicitly said that their HRH titles were no longer to be used for commercial purposes. Yes, yes. This was very important to the queen.
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273: Did Prince William say WTF to Meghan Using her HRH? + Italy Travel Recs ft. Travel Photographer Natalie Obradovich
They could retain the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, but their HRH titles would no longer be able to be used. So in Meghan's most recent podcast appearance, she did an interview with Jamie Kern Lima. She's the CEO of IT Cosmetics, ostensibly Meghan's neighbor and bestie. They always sit together in their rocking chairs, back in the rocking chairs, just chatting as besties. Yes.
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It was like down memory lane. Yeah.
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263: Meghan Markle & the History of Influencers ft. Taylor Lorenz
I know. And it was twice as long. I had to cut it in half. I went so deep. There was like a whole chapter on Reddit that I had to cut. I mean, it just was like too long, but I hope I got everything good in there.
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dress you know it's just something about her looks and it's like is this really humanity well I feel like I mean on X too they throttle it this is like their whole new agenda but also that's just like and I've written so much about this too but people love to hate women online and like hating women online feels accessible in a way that like hating men doesn't
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263: Meghan Markle & the History of Influencers ft. Taylor Lorenz
Sometimes it almost feels like people will get nervous to hate on a man or they just don't hate on a man. Like any random E-list like woman will get hate online. And like so much of the internet is just fueled by misogyny as well, which I think is a huge problem. And trying to like separate that out is –
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263: Meghan Markle & the History of Influencers ft. Taylor Lorenz
I think it's aspirational. Like people love to hate any aspirational creator, right? Like if you're making aspirational content, you're going to get hate because people are jealous of that lifestyle and that content, whatever. I think Nara is slightly different than, well, I guess they're both, I mean, they both also are, have like the Mormonism thing, which I think is another thing
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263: Meghan Markle & the History of Influencers ft. Taylor Lorenz
Sort of thing where it's people are like, is this sort of coded propaganda for your religion? And there's a lot of speculation and stuff. And then like, I mean, when Hannah did the cover of Evie, is it Evie? That like weird magazine.
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No, no. Oh, the latest one, the hot one where she was looking super sexy. I think it was. Yes. Yeah. Which is like the milkmaid or whatever.
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Oh my God. I mean, she looks amazing, but like, that's like a very like political magazine and like, it's felt like, oh, okay. So is she endorsing this? Like, what is that? And like, I don't know. I love watching those. I mean, I love the aspirational content. I'm into like aspirational wellness content too, but I understand like you're miserable. Like you're struggling.
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me off in a certain way it irks you because it's also like there's this woman lex de rosa who parodies them she's like yes she's really funny yes she is so funny but like i i think she just does a good job of triggering people that don't realize that it's a parody because so much of what nara and like hannah do it's almost parody level where you're like come on girl like
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263: Meghan Markle & the History of Influencers ft. Taylor Lorenz
I sound like a hater on Reddit right now.
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Yeah, that's scary. I think it's just a fascination. And also I think people want to see like – and this is true for any aspirational creator. It's like is it real? How much of it is created for the camera versus how much is reality? And I think that's also why people love these sort of like takedown type stories or like the real story. Like she's secretly miserable because it's like –
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they want to know the truth, you know, who knows what the real truth is, but it's like, well, they want to know that it's, you actually can't be that perfect. Exactly. Yeah. It's not like, it's not, no one's life is actually that good. Like everyone goes through struggles.
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This was, like, I don't know, 20 years ago. Do you guys want to know? I ran the People Magazine Vine account. You did? Yeah. That was my job in 2015.
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Absolutely. And I write in the book about the concept of the Instagram husband, which emerged in the early to mid 2010s. And it was really when
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you started to see like the labor relationship flipped where these women were making so much money from their influencing and men started to support that and the backlash and just the cultural like commentary around it and how it sort of arose at this time when there was like so much hatred and there is so much hatred still.
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But even back in like 2015, 2016, that's when you saw these accounts like influencers in the wild, which first emerged, which used to only feature women and like kind of has tried to diversify now. But like, yeah, it's this idea of like get back in your place.
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Like who made you – which is so funny because this is what the earliest women bloggers dealt with was people that are just like, who do you think you are?
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Yeah. So in the early 2000s, like there's all these blogs emerging and I talk about the first influencers which were mommy bloggers. I want to make a distinction between like mommy bloggers of that time and like family influencers of today because it was actually radically different. Like these were Gen X moms. They were incredibly isolated. Being a mother is obviously so difficult.
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Women's media at that time, I went back for researching my book and read all of these women's magazines from the early 2000s. It was wild to me. I mean, it's just worth doing. I wish they had some sort of exhibit showing people this stuff because you could not believe what was being published in 2003. It reads as if it's from 1960.
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And especially the way they talked about motherhood, it was all about just getting your baby body or, you know, your pre-baby body back. It was like horrible. And so these women went to the internet and they were like, hey, is anyone else like struggling to breastfeed? Like, does anybody else get depressed sometimes? Like, does anyone else sometimes like hate their husband?
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And at the time, these things were revolutionary. They were not talking about postpartum depression in these magazines. They were not acknowledging the realities of motherhood. So these women started blogging. Most of those blogs were anonymous. Most of them did not even have pictures because it was so hard to get you to like take a digital camera and like manually upload it.
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A lot of them use pseudonyms for the kids. It was not like what it is now. It was really about like their experience of motherhood. The most famous one in 2004, Heather Armstrong. Another, I think she was Mormon or Utah, like sort of adjacent. We actually grew up Mormon too for some context. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
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It's so interesting. I want to read like a whole book on like just the amount of like Mormon impact on influencer culture. It cannot be like overstated. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so Heather monetized – Heather put banner ads on her blogs. Mind you, this woman was doing this as a full-time job. Had like millions of readers.
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It was like she had committed – I mean, people tried to get her children taken away from her. For the banner ads? Yes. It was like the – it was a huge backlash. And she was like, basically, I'm doing this full-time. Right. I just want to cover like a few costs and I'm just going to put banner ads. And yeah, it was like, I mean, it was this like, how dare you? Yeah, like shut up.
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And all of those women received so much hate and they were doing something really feminist. They were challenging media. And ultimately it made traditional women's magazines get with the picture and start acknowledging these things and start talking about all of these issues that they had brought to the forefront.
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A hundred percent. I think it's just like it does seem so easy, but it's so hard. And a lot of these people have tried and failed themselves. And I think they feel frustrated or they're like, why isn't that me? Like, why am I not in that position?
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Yeah. Yeah, I was surprised when I wrote the book, just how many women quit the internet over hate. Really? It was just such a common theme is like, I would go back and look at all these women. And I write about actually this woman, Julia Allison, who was like one of the first multi platform influencers. And I mean, yeah, just like so many just ended up stepping away.
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I mean, what's changed more recently, too, is that you can have that direct monetization a little bit more. And I think people are more willing to support creators. I think that the culture has changed so much in the past 20 years, too. And people have moved away from an advertising-based model towards more subscription model, too. So it's a little bit more direct.
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It's all sort of changed so much. Yeah.
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because they want it to look like they have an eye wow christian dior campaign in the book where it was i think it was 2018 or 2017 christian dior re-released their saddlebag and did this big influencer campaign they sent it to i think it was like 150 influencers and it was shortly after this ftc thing whatever so they all had to use the same sort of like disclosure language
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I had to delete my Tumblr.
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And it became so popular that everybody – all these other influencers started buying the bags and then making fake ads and writing fake disclosures because having a brand deal with Christian Dior is seen as so aspirational that – so now – and I wrote about this for The Atlantic years ago too, just like luxury brands struggling because this is a constant problem now where people are acting like they have sponsorships.
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when they don't because sponsorships are the new sort of status symbol. And I think actually media, like traditional media used to be that status symbol and that gatekeeper. And now I think it's brand partnerships that offer that legitimacy.
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A lot of them, I mean, some of them are, when I talked to like a bunch of luxury people at like YSL, some other place, I wrote, I can't remember all the brands I talked to, but most of the luxury brands were frustrated because they couldn't control the aesthetics. And there was a lot of people that they didn't do partnerships with that they were getting backlash or partnering with.
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And they're like, no, this person just pretended to partner with us.
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more common than you think. And a lot of people, so after that was sort of like that backlash with the luxury, like the Christian Dior thing was like that caused drama. Now people will do it with sort of secondary brands, like smaller brands. And a lot of those brands love it. And sometimes that's a way for them. Ultimately, like people will start doing ads and then they will start doing it.
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They'll be like, actually, we love the free ads that you've been doing. Like we will partner with you.
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Yeah, I think that for what we make viral and like the way that we express ourselves through memes and stuff, it's a reflection of our values and kind of also a reflection of like what we're putting our attention into and where the conversation is happening, like what conversation, what topics are getting talked about. And I mean, memes have just proven to be also just such
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powerful like messaging formats and stuff. It's been so interesting to see kind of like how people have tried to leverage virality. There used to be this idea that like being viral was not like you couldn't monetize, right? Like Alex from Target or whatever I write about, like the biggest thing you could do is like go on Ellen and maybe sell some merch.
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And now you see like, I don't know, the Hawk Tua girl, I know she got canceled for her crypto scam, but it's like she speed ran that like viral fame cycle like so quickly.
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And it was so interesting to see that versus the mainstream media, which had the complete opposite take and like how completely out of step those like mainstream news orgs were with the public sentiment.
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I agree with you. I wrote a piece like years ago about this when this sort of first started to come out about it was like related to Lil Miquela, the sort of original like AI influencer that was really just like a CGI girl. I sort of end the book, not to spoil it, but I sort of end the book talking about like the human need for connection.
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And that's ultimately what content creators provide is this like connection. And that is what they're seeking, too, is connection. And like it's this like base human need that the Internet fulfills in a way that. at a scale that's never been seen before.
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And I do think that there's a huge amount of like sort of commodity content that's just like informational content that people would probably, sure, like listen to an AI podcast because like I got to like cram and learn about this like really quick. But for everything else, yeah, people want that like human parasocial relationship. They want to feel like they can engage.
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And when you think of like virtual influencers or whatever too, I think a lot of people think of these like AI generated avatars. And again, I'm sure those people will be doing ads. Like I'm sure they'll have like AI generated like products. you know, reviews and stuff are like showing, but you can think of meme accounts as virtual influencers.
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Like meme accounts are not a personified sort of like person, but it is a personality. It's sort of a digital personality that exists that people know that they come to develop a bond with. It's not a person, but it's a, it's a personality. Right. And so I think that like what we'll see is maybe things like that where it's like it is human created.
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Maybe it's not a person, but the account still has a personality and you bond with that personality.
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I think it'll be so good that we won't have to record these types of things in person. Yeah. Like, I mean, so many people I already talked to are already making these like digital clones of themselves because they don't have time to shoot a video and they want to do a quick video. That's crazy.
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Wait, yeah. So there's a thing. Maybe I should write about it. I don't know how much people know. But so yeah, so you can sort of like clone yourself. You can make this like digital clone of yourself. Like an avatar? An avatar. But it looks exactly like you. Like you record all, you know, this. And then say you don't have time to film a short video.
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You want to put yourself like in the corner with some commentary or something. You can just enter that in. And have yourself saying those words and giving the commentary and put it on whatever you want. That just seems so creepy to me. It is a little dystopian. Like, I mean, I was literally watching somebody came up on my Instagram reels recently and I was like, I cannot tell.
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It was like 30 minutes. I was like, I cannot tell if this is AI or not. And I think it was AI. Like there was something slightly uncanny because it's not there yet. Like you said, a few years it will be there. Right, right. And I do think it's kind of liberating. So much of content creation is so manual and exhausting.
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So if you can automate certain things, I think there'll be consumer backlash if you're automating probably commentary content. But I think product review type stuff will be very interesting.
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Yeah. Well, it was this website that blew up in the mid-2000s. I think it was like 2005. It was pre-recession. And it was an anonymous website. It was a blog that basically ranked the socialites. So all the New York City socialites like Tinsley Mortimer at that time, Olivia Palermo, like Fabiola Baracasa.
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I think it just comes down to like how we view authenticity and how that changes in relationship to technology. And like, I mean, all of these things that have huge backlash. Like I think that there's like norms that are established and also each community is willing. Like you'll see this now with content creators. Like certain content creators love AI. They use AI tools.
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They talk about it all the time. Other people, I mean, just using an AI like filter, they'll get backlash. You know, people are like, we hate AI. How could you do this? So I think it's about like setting expectations with your audience and what your audience wants from you. Yeah.
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Oh, my God. Looking at her like video announcing the rebrand. So I have so much I think having gotten so much like crazy bad media myself, I am sympathetic with every woman that is getting hate online. Like I will always like take their side no matter how terrible they are. I'm like, you know what? Yes, she's probably like a lot of the things that maybe people say about her.
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But like I have a soft spot because she receives like the Daily Mail's coverage of her is just so deranged. So some of the stuff, like, I don't know, I watched her video. I thought it was a little silly because, and correct me if I'm wrong, but she didn't address like the trademark thing. No, she didn't. It was just, yeah. And I thought that that was so, and she said like, I'm so excited.
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And there was this line where she's like, and I've had the URL, I've had the name since 2022 or something. And I'm like, why are you even trying to justify it? At least talk about the main, we know why you had to rebrand it. I don't buy this story. Mm-hmm. So I just feel like it just goes back to this thing where she cannot be authentic. Like she just can't. And I wish she could.
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At the same time, I was thinking in my head this morning at like 8 a.m. when I was like debating this. I was like, well, you know, what if she had said, sorry, guys, like I effed up. I didn't get the trademark. Like I'm an idiot. How that would be interpreted by the tabloids. She'd be crucified. She would be crucified.
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So like I kind of understand it, but I think she's just in this impossible position where I also sympathize with her where I'm like, okay, she's a creative person. Clearly she's an actress, whatever. But I'm also like, does she need to be in the public eye? You know, if I were her, I would not be in the public eye.
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I am going to subscribe. I can't wait. Oh my God. I want like the Montecito jam recommendation, whatever. Like I do think that she has the potential to build actually a pretty compelling lifestyle brand. Like she does have this amazing lifestyle and just like the Royal like adjacency and stuff. I just think she gets such a hard time in the media that she can never like,
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It was like all these women that were like icons in the mid-2000s socialite world were getting ranked and people were commenting. And they were taking photos. You know, that was also the age when photos first started to be put – like Getty Images was being put on the internet. Like Patrick McMullen was putting photos online.
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the scrutiny that she's held to is not put on someone like Gwyneth Paltrow or some of these other people that have built aspirational brands. And I think it's really hard to build an aspirational brand when you're sort of like constantly in the dregs of tabloids.
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I don't blame them at all. And then the more that I found out about that world, my first media job was actually at the Daily Mail. Oh, no way.
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It was wild. It was. And I was like in London for a while, like training. It was just like crazy to see like the inside of that whole.
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whole world and like I don't blame her for a second for opting out like at all and like good for him for getting out to like that whole system Kate God bless her but like her entire life is living for someone else and life is short and also it sucked to have your life be living for someone else and you're also like the second fiddle like it
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Yeah. I think it's more of that sort of unfiltered. It goes back to like exposing yourself, right? Like we want more of the like real her.
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So people were getting this view into like these parties that they never would have. And it caused absolute chaos.
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like we we love Gwyneth we're big stans we love her we love her marriage her current marriage yeah so please like what speak more to what you were saying I just think so Gwyneth came of time she was famous from this previous era right where she was part of the sort of old Hollywood machine and was never like never had to kind of grow up with obviously she grew up in the spotlight but like it was a very different wasn't the internet spotlight in the same way and I feel like she's
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been able to launch and curate her brand while kind of staying above all of it and like being removed. And she'll collaborate with people. Like I saw her collaborating with, I can't even remember who it was, but some content, you know, like she'll do like content creator collabs and she's clearly like relevant and with it, but she has such a ability to sort of control her narrative in the press.
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And I think it allows her to maintain that sort of like
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luxury kind of appearance like there's not that like messiness interesting so it's kind of like she just has like a better PR strategy she just has obviously comparing to Meghan Markle's tough but like of a lot of these like celebrities also influencers she has maybe the best PR game yeah well because it's all about like image curation and I think that like when you're building an aspirational brand you have to project this aspirational image everything has to seem like
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amazing I'm great or like or I'm struggling but it's great because xyz or whatever you know I just think and it's harder and this is so many arguments about like why like women of color can't deal with this like other types of women like marginalized people obviously they're not like Gwyneth is a beautiful white woman that is seen in a different light than Megan of course but I do think that most of Megan's problems are like a PR problem yeah
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I think there's so many litmus tests like this where I was talking to another content creator that I was making a video with recently who was saying, you know, that actually her litmus test she was saying was Amber Heard and how people feel about Amber Heard. Yeah. And it's interesting because you're saying this publicly too.
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I think that it's not even about the details of these cases, which I feel like some people, and I know you guys like talk about like the details of it. Like it's more like when you ask someone how they feel about it, where do they take that response? And is the response, she's an entitled BIA, whatever. And like, does it immediately become this sort of like personal thing?
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hatred like thing or is it like well like i don't know like some sort of like more thoughtful thing where it's like okay well maybe i disagree with this or this right and i do think that like how we respond to women in the public eye that is a litmus test for me a little bit yeah i feel like for me my litmus test comes back mentally unwell because i'm like so obsessed
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even in a positive direction like I'm like I love Gwyneth Paltrow I just want more more more more and it's like unwell touched grass drinks of water I feel like what's like but the unwell stuff to me is like the negative side because I'm like if you're positively obsessed in like a good way I'm also obsessed with her even though I don't live anything like that like but I'm just like there's something that I just love about her and I feel like I know her Gwyneth Paltrow is a person who I like I feel like
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It became this competition where they wanted to be number one. Because of course, and there's this iconic, I think it was 2007 New York Magazine cover story on when all of this blew up and it was revealed who was behind it. Because everyone assumed that it must be another socialite. So it was kind of this like, who is it out of us?
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Yeah, Gwyneth hasn't been involved in one of these public lawsuits.
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Yeah, that was crazy. She does a great job. Yeah.
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There are going to be rich people. Shut up. But going back to like the Nara Smith thing, like Gwyneth has that like twinkle in her eye. Like she's able to make fun of herself and she's able to like parody herself and like recognize the absurdity of sort of what she does. And I think that is what sort of bridges it.
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I have to plug. For sure. I love Emily Sundberg's Feed Me. It's just a great, like it's ostensibly a business newsletter, but it's very like gossipy, like kind of fun New York tea for like, I don't know. I feel like the things that we're interested in. What other newsletters? I love Kate Lindsay has a newsletter called Embedded. That's like an online culture newsletter. That's really good.
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I love Caitlin Dewey, a former online culture reporter has a one called Links. I would G chat you if we were friends. Okay. Which has always had some good links. Amazing. Oh, one other one that I love, this like Gen Z etymologist has a – called Adam Alexa, who I've interviewed before, has one called – it's Etymology Nerd. It's his sub-sack. He has a book coming out called Algo Speak.
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It's all about how the internet has changed our language. And like it's such a meme now, like all of the brain rot terms that we use. And like he is just so good at like breaking down how our language is changing because the internet and like pop culture and he's so on top of it.
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Oh, my God. I have written so many articles. Somebody asked me recently, what's my favorite article that I've written? I'm like, there's just a lot. Oh, my God. What have I written? I would say like my newsletter recently. I don't know. I mean, I've written a bunch of big feature stories on things.
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Like if you look at my like New York Times byline history or like Washington Post or The Atlantic, like I think actually I was looking back through my Atlantic stories because I worked there in the late 2010s. And the story about like the fake sponsored content is there. Like the story about like a lot of these like early influencer things. I would say also buy my book and you can see. Yes.
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Exactly. And so this New York Magazine story was called The Number One Girl.
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And it was about, it just sort of documented what I wrote about in the book, which was this like chaotic fight to like basically be ranked, which I just thought it was such a good metaphor for kind of the way that we all live now and just the way that social media, this was like way pre-social media, but it was like how it all ended up.
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Yeah, I just thought it was it was sort of this example of like for the first time an anonymous random basically to nobodies could upend this sort of like social hierarchy. And also like we are all basically judged by randoms on the Internet of people that we probably wouldn't care about their opinion if we knew who they were. But yet we take it to heart.
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So, yeah, it was it was fun to go back and report on that.
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Yeah, and I talked about the relationship with the media that these socialites had previously. It was very much, like, give and take, and they had these sort of inside deals, and it was like, okay, maybe she got too drunk at that party, but we're not really going to, like, report on that.
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The first woman to sort of – where that really changed was Paris Hilton because she was – and I write about the early days of reality TV, too, and, like, how she became kind of this fascination and figure with Page Six and the New York Post. But, yeah, I mean, the rest of them were just, like, these rich –
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Manhattan women that like previously had no real public profile outside like the benefit balls that they went to.
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That was really, like, her origin story. And that was when she was married to Topper Mortimer. And, I mean, Socialite Rank made her and Olivia Palermo famous. And I think it's so funny, too, because both of them ended up going, sort of, like, becoming influencers, but in different ways. Like, she went the reality TV route. Olivia also was on reality. She was on, I think it was The City.
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But it's just funny how, like, when you were famous at that time, the only thing that there really was to do was, like, get sucked up into the reality TV ecosystem. Like, there was no, like... Social media. Social media to like really launch your brand on or like monetize or, you know.
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Totally. I feel like there was so much discourse when like that New York magazine, the recent cover went viral of like that girl, this Alabama sorority girl that was pictured on the cover of New York mag. But people found her Instagram and she had, like, I think she had a locked account with, like, 250 followers or something. Or she locked it very quickly.
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But people were like, okay, she's, like, probably actually rich because she only has, like, a couple hundred thousand followers or a couple hundred followers. And that's, like, the true luxury status symbol.
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I mean, it's such a double-edged sword, right? Because in one sense, and I talk about this in the book, the internet has been so liberating. And I think it's allowed this entire generation of people who would never have a voice or access to a platform through the mainstream media to build that platform, obviously for better or worse.
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And then it brings so much amazing stuff into the world, like these amazing communities that form and like friendships and like true connection. But then it comes with like all of these downsides.
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And I would say part of the reason it's come with all these downsides, too, is that like these platforms, especially in the 2010s, as they were growing and competing with each other, like prioritized engagement above all else and sort of like the business incentives at play that like have dominated our ecosystem.
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And I feel like only in the past couple of years have we had this like reckoning with that being like. OK, I want to be more intentional. That's why you're seeing this move towards more like closed communities or like private groups. People just don't want that like everything that you post to be default public, default permanent and like the entire Internet able to weigh in.
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I know. It's like you have to reveal so much of yourself. And I think that that's another difference between sort of like internet fame and like traditional fame. Like if you're sort of traditionally famous, like you are allowed to like go away. You're allowed to like keep parts of yourself private.
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If you are famous through the internet, people feel this entitlement to absolutely everything about you. They really do. Everything about you. Yeah. And it's like, well, you put yourself out there, right? Like you put yourself online. So like you should be okay with me researching where your aunt works or whatever. Yeah. Right.
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I know I heard from so many people. I think if you're like 40 and under, you experience so many of these online moments like drama get in or like Vine shutting down or whatever. But, you know, you're not paying attention to the context in real time. Right. And it's like there was just so yeah, it's It was just, there was so much that happened. I had so much fun writing it.
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Yeah. I have like very, I think because I report on it, I just such strict boundaries with what I personally share about my life. And it's actually been hard. I only went independent three months ago. And I was just talking to this guy that I work with on like some business stuff. And his number one advice to me was like, you need to incorporate more like lifestyle stuff into your content.
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He was like, people feel like they don't know you as a person and they're only getting this version of you from different... It made me want to jump out of my skin because it's like it's what you have to do in some ways, but it is so hard to put yourself out there and open yourself up to like, I don't know, just that sort of feedback. And it feels so vulnerable.
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And I think also when you shut yourself off, it makes it so much easier. Like right now when I get so much hate from, I don't know, so many things. I write about all these different things. I can easily dismiss it because I'm like, well, they don't really know me. I've actually never really like put myself online, like my actual self. So like it feels very separate.
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And I feel like if I was to like put more of myself online, like I would start taking that stuff more personally.
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That's what it is. I think it's like nobody can just be a hater anymore and just like admit that they don't like someone. They have to kind of create this like moral justification for hating them and be like, actually, I'm a good person because I hate them. So I'm such a good person. And it's like you could just not like someone. Totally.
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I think like half of Reddit would be so much happier if they just admitted that like maybe they just don't like this person. And maybe they just for whatever reason just should admit that instead of being like – you know, sort of coming up with these narratives.
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Her side went so hard on the children are used to the private jets. And I just think the judge was unsympathetic. I mean, I'm unsympathetic. I know.
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Hearing that, circling back to Angelina and Brad, it's probably highly unlikely that she was able to just work up all of her adult children to dropping his last name legally and all her children spending no time with him. I mean, I've talked with Chandler about this. I feel like as a kid, you really have a good sense of what's happening in the home you're in. You have good instincts, right?
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And I just find it hard to believe that all of those kids aren't chatting with each other, discussing what they've seen. It just seems really suspicious to me that we can write this off as Angelina being, you know, an evil woman who turned her children against her father. Right.
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are kids ever afraid to do that because they don't want to hurt their parents or they're like, they feel like there's going to be retribution in some way.
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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Especially all of them when they have, what, six kids or something? Five, a ton.
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Interesting. So what will happen? What is this learning on your, like, what's a judge learning?
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Right. It sounds like they can be more easily fooled by narcissistic or borderline attorneys because they haven't been through the ringer with enough of them.
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They didn't recognize him?
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And is, I guess, like what is needed to prove domestic violence in preponderance of evidence? But what does that mean? I've never heard that expression before.
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They're not listeners of this show.
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Oh, interesting. I had no idea about that, that there was a difference. Okay, so I want to talk about a lesser known celebrity, I would say, but a fascinating divorce. Dad, you're not going to know who these people are. And I don't mean that as a dick. I think you will. Kelly Rutherford? Oh, never mind. I thought it was Kelly Clarkson. Yeah.
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I mean, we can talk about Kelly Clarkson, but it's less interesting. I would say Kelly Rutherford. So Kelly Rutherford is a... Beautiful actor, actress, whatever you say. She was on Gossip Girl. Have you heard of the show Gossip Girl? No. Yeah, that's okay. Anyway, she's an actress, maybe not like Angelina Jolie level, but definitely recognizable. Yes.
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So she married a German businessman named Daniel Gersh, and he was a tech entrepreneur, and he made a small fortune in Germany when he was very young. And they were only married for a short time. They married in 2007. They welcomed their son, Hermes, Hermes. How do you say it? Well, Kelly Rutherford loves Hermes. So I'm positive it's actually named after the designer Hermes.
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I listened to a Vanity Fair article about this and the AI pronounced it as Hermes. Anyway, so she welcomes their son, you know, in 2007. But then in 2009, she files for divorce. And at the time, her son's two and she's pregnant with their second daughter. And just through this pregnancy, their divorce just totally spirals out of control.
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Wow. Crazy. I wonder if he's less attractive in person because of that. Anyway, we're going to catch more Tom Brady heat if I keep talking. Yeah. I highly doubt that that's the case. Well, just to clear the air or, you know, shed some light, Dad, you're not obsessed with celebrity gossip.
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In fact, her husband makes her go through a custody evaluation while she was pregnant. Is that pretty uncommon or is that common? Have you seen that ever?
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While you're pregnant. Oh, yeah. Really? I thought that was so, yeah. Anyway, she says, quote, he sued me like he'd sued Google. That's another whole other story. But basically, their divorce totally spirals into chaos. And she didn't even want him in the room when she delivered their baby. And that was even brought up in court that he said, you know, that she was trying to like. You've seen that.
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I was shocked by that.
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Yeah. Is that more about, like, ego? Like, just, I want to, you know, also be there and a part of it? Or is it just, like, coming from a place of, like, well, this is also my child. You know, I'm yearning for that. Like, I don't know.
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in a situation where they hate each other it's very dicey it's very right it also feels like a little bit of a power move okay so anyway exactly so to move on in this messy birth divorce situation so she listed the baby's name on the birth certificate as Helena Gersh which is her you know ex-husband's last name but she left the father field blank
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She said that she feared that because if it had his name on the birth certificate, he could take her out of the country because he's not an American. And I guess at one point his mother had said to her, you know, when they were going through all this, like, well, why don't you just leave the children with us and you can go back to the United States or whatnot?
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So she was very afraid that, you know, he would take the kids. And it's turned into this really ugly custody battle where she was having children. He was living in Monaco, you know, all the way over in Europe. And she was having to fly back and forth from the U.S., from L.A. or from New York to Monaco. I think she flew back 66 times or something.
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And he only had to he had to pay for like about, I think, six of those tickets. And so she kind of went like BK. trying to like handle this custody battle. And so anyway, this all kind of came to a head because one summer she opted not to put her kids back on a plane to Monaco after a six week visit and was then accused of, of abduction and parental kidnapping.
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So when we talk about these divorces, you're not the one who's going to lead us through the narratives. That's our job today. Your job is to be the legal representative, to share with us your thoughts on settlements, on parental alienation, just the topics that are really kind of the bread and butter of your business. The things you're actually interested in.
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And this like really blew up in her face.
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One of the bigger reasons why she didn't do it is because basically the courts couldn't decide who had jurisdiction. Like LA court, I think had given up jurisdiction and then New York court wouldn't take responsibility for it. She said like, you know, none of the courts are protecting me. So I just have to protect my kids. I'm not sending them back.
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Forever? For real? Yeah. Wait, I'm sorry. Record scratch. What?
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And even if you show that genetically, you're still on the hook until that child turns 18.
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Wow. And that's assuming that's for the best interest of the child, right? That's how to stay a father figure for three years, so.
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Wow. So what happened?
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Well, without further ado, let's dive into the first divorce on our outline, which has to do with the divorce of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. Dad, you are aware of who they are, right? Yes, definitely. Okay, perfect. Proud of you. So just a brief rundown of this divorce and kind of where we're at now for people.
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Because he's been the father figure.
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And did the bio dad want custody?
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And did the mom want him to have custody as well?
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Got it. And one dad by all their accounts.
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Yeah, absolutely. So I just want to share a few more details about this case because I think it just I kind of outlined some of the bullet points of what happened. But I think that when I got more information about what Kelly Rutherford experienced and why she was so afraid to send her kids back to be with their father in Monaco. But she said that a part of this issue was child safety.
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The child evaluator had admitted to being perplexed that Gersh, her ex-husband, had driven the infant away. Helena in a car seat in the front seat of a Porsche convertible. There's just kind of like, what? And then also Rutherford. So she hired a private detective to take pictures of his swimming pool.
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And her concern was that, you know, the children's safety was not being looked out for when they were like in the pool, because during a vacation in Bermuda, he left his children on the far side of an unguarded lifeguard pool and the three-year-old could not swim. And the father had not put her on, you know, a puddle jumper or something. And
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a random pregnant woman noticed that the three-year-old had fallen into the pool and that she literally jumped into the pool and saved the daughter who was like, you know, underneath the water. Like, and then she had to like give mouth to mouth or whatever, help her like cough up the water.
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So anyway, just like these things happen and you are, you know, even though this like ended up blowing up in her face and you know, the courts did not like that. She didn't send her kids back. It's like, you know, I don't blame her when she was so concerned.
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Well, well, well, we are gathered here today at Pub Apologist for a very exciting episode. We have family law attorney, John Bledsoe, who also happens to be our dear father on the show with us today. Welcome, Dad.
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On September 14th, 2016, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie got into an alleged physical altercation on a private plane ride with their six children from France to their home in Los Angeles.
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So what ended up happening with these kids? They share custody, but I think Kelly lives in Monaco now as a result because he's not in the U.S. He's not American. He doesn't live here full time. He lives in Monaco. She lives here, works here, but I think she has to live there part time to see her kids. Wow.
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is so crazy I mean I do think that happens a lot though in terms of like people end up needing to live in a certain place because like the children were raised there the divorce filing happens there right and they no longer can just move wherever they want anymore right I have to share one funny detail okay so because she was flying back and forth to France like 70 times the actual number
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So she flew back 70 round-trip visits, which is very expensive. And apparently, because she flies back all the time, the airline cabin crew had offered to donate flying coupons to help her with her flights. Saying, quote, it's a community gesture. Oh, my gosh.
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Isn't that crazy? That's really sweet. Also kind of, like, funny. It's like a celebrity, but sad. Sad and sweet. Anyway, let's move on to another one, though. Okay. Okay.
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I have heard that from a few divorced parents that like the 50-50 split, there are pros to it because you get some of your own time. You know, you kind of get a little bit more of your life back a little bit while you're raising children. Of course, there are some that are like, no, I don't want to not my kids 100% of the time and it breaks my heart. But some are brutally, brutally honest ones.
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You feel like that's been a positive shift?
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In heavily redacted FBI documents, Angelina reported that Brad's actions made her feel, quote, like a hostage on the plane as he allegedly grabbed and shook her, pushed her into a wall and punched the ceiling of the aircraft. She further alleged that he looked like he was going to attack one of their children after that child called him a, quote, prick during the alleged altercation.
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Well, I mean, thank goodness we never had to do that.
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Yeah. Okay, well, speaking of financials, I think that's obviously such a big thing in divorce. So I want to briefly go through the divorce of Christine Baumgartner and Kevin Costner. I'm just going to do the TLDR of this. We don't have a ton of time left, but I did want to get through it. So Christine Baumgartner... She signed a prenup with Kevin Costner. She was his second wife.
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He had a bad divorce with his first wife and he never wanted to do that again. So he had an ironclad prenup with Christine. She got a $100,000 payment when they were first married and then $100,000 on their first anniversary. The prenup said that she would receive a lump sum payment of $1.45 million and $30,000 a month for a rental house for her and their three children. That would be it.
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$30,000 a month? Yeah. He makes about $1.5 million a month. Wow, that's crazy. That's what a forensic accountant found that she hired. While $1.45 million sounds like a lot of money and $30,000 a month sounds like a lot of money, when you do have a spouse who has an exorbitantly bigger lifestyle than that, it can provide some friction.
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Interestingly enough, what her attorney told the judge in a hearing was luxury is in the DNA of these children at this point, trying to argue that they should not have to abide by the stipulations set forth in the prenup because these children were just not going to be able to vacillate between these widely different worlds. The house in Montecito.
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Chandler, you're acting like this isn't a tragedy. No, it's sad. It's sad. The house in Montecito that she had to move into was not oceanfront, dad. It was across the freeway. Okay. Wrong side of the tracks. It was about 3,000 square feet. It was not a Montecito cliffside compound that was 50 steps from the water. That's what her attorney said the children were used to. So it is funny.
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We can be comical about it. And so it is kind of ludicrous, but there's also maybe some truth to it. So I'm curious, dad, what your take is on like a financial arrangement and situation like Christine and Kevin.
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No, so excuse me. So that was what the prenup said. So then her attorneys bought the prenup and what they asked for was $250,000 a month in child support. What she ended up getting was $63,000, a flat payment of $1 million for expenses, her $1.45 million settlement that was originally agreed to, and then her attorney's fees paid for. So still dramatically less than 50K a month. Right.
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So I'm just curious for your take on, you know, a situation where you do have a spouse who has such exorbitant resources. There are children. Like, how does this work out? Do you see generally?
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Really? But $63,000 in child support when your spouse is making $1.5 million a month, is that really the same standard of living? You know, 50 steps to the water. They didn't even have a view of the ocean. But in theory, it's not like he's spending.
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Angelina also admitted to wrapping her arms around Brad's neck in a chokehold style. Three days after the incident, Angelina filed for divorce, listing their date of separation as September 15th, one day after the plane ride. This is what Angelina's attorney, Laura Wasser, said. This decision was made for the health of the family.
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20% of his growth. So she really, so what I- But taxes are another 45% of your growth.
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Yeah, that's true. Okay, but if he's making $750,000 after taxes in Newsom's, California, I mean, 20% of that is still $140,000 a month. So she got about less than half of what she was entitled to in California.
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People said is that her side went so hard on the children are used to the private jets and like all this, you know, crazy, lavish life. And I just think the judge was unsympathetic to that. I mean, I'm unsympathetic. I know.
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We need a switcher that says that. We really do. I mean, maybe there could be some truth to that after, you know, you're used to. 50 steps from the water. Living the lifestyle.
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It's not the move. It's not the move. And also, there's no self-awareness. And so it sounds like there really are limits. Even if you have a spouse that's vastly more wealthy than the other spouse, it's not like you're going to just get half of that. Yeah.
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Even if it's just somebody random. Hopefully. Yeah, of course.
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It's funny. I remember mom literally saying that. I have those words in my head for mom, like doing client calls. Yeah. How often do you see a man or a woman with multiple spouses that they're paying child support and alimony to? Is that possible?
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So everyone gets lost. Wow. I think we should move on to some rapid fire questions. Yeah, you take it away, Chan. Let's just give quickly, Dad, what's your general opinion on prenups? When should someone do a prenup?
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Brad added in a statement, I'm very saddened by this, but what matters most now is the well-being of our kids. I kindly ask the press to give them the space they deserve during this challenging time. In 2017, Brad said to GQ, I heard one lawyer say no one wins in court. It's just a matter of who gets hurt worse. And it seems to be true.
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Don't combine finances.
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OK, a question we we have and I think like we see this a lot with celebrities. One of them files first. They want to be the first person to file. Does that make a difference?
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Wow. Wow. Yeah. Someone asked, what does a no blame system mean if someone cheats? That feels like it's important.
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Okay. How would the court know? Right, right. Another thing for merch. Also, is that where you got your men will fail you every time? Just, you know, yeah.
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Yeah, it's true. I think it creates a difficult situation because if you feel vulnerable, financially vulnerable with your spouse, it might just turn you into someone. It brings out a worse part of you, you know, rather than if you can be in a marriage and a place of feeling independent and you're in your power, then I don't know.
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I feel like that brings out generally a more positive side of people. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. But all employment has dignity. But Chandler, you don't laugh at that. Dad, someone wants to know, can children be normal after a divorce?
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Yeah. Well, and for some people, I feel like it might be better to get a divorce than grow up in a tumultuous home where it's nothing but hatred and fighting. Yeah.
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I'm curious about prenups, though, because I feel like when we've talked about it in the past, I feel like you've had a sentiment that a prenup can kind of like start the marriage off on the wrong foot where you're kind of already discussing divorce.
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You spend a year just focused on building a case to prove your point and why you're right and why they're wrong. And it's just an investment in a vitriolic hatred. I just refuse. Unfortunately, my partner in this agrees. Well, it doesn't seem that they agreed to that for very long because the divorce has been quite protracted.
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So just protect the property I bring into the marriage. That's kind of, that's a reasonable prenup. I think that's the purpose of a prenup in most cases, but a prenup can also stipulate that yet there's no community property. Everything goes to each person or, and what I'm hearing a lot and amongst some friends is like the prenup will say, if you're with them for this many years, you get X dollars.
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This many years you get X dollars. If you have really high net worth, you know, spouse. And even that to me just feels kind of icky. Yeah. It's just kind of like you're thinking long-term in the wrong way.
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Exactly. One last question I think I have for you that, that I think hopefully will leave us on a more hopeful note. What do you think contributes to staying married? What do you think is the secret to, you know, being married? How long have you been married to mom for?
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Well, dad, you're the best. Another four words. You are the best.
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We kept it clean. Lauren can keep it clean. It takes a lot of effort. I will say we wax poetic about mom and how crazy and funny she is. She's quite the personality. But you just really, dad, we can't understand how much you mean to us. And we're just so thrilled. You're our dad. We're so happy to have you here. You have to come back. Like we barely scratched the surface. I know.
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We are. We will see you next week. That's right. Bye. Bye.
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But before we get into more developments, really quick, do you agree with that, dad, that no one wins in court?
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And what do you think?
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So I had the pleasure of copy editing your book. So our dad has written a book called Split Decisions, right? And it's kind of a primer on a divorce in the state of California. Isn't it like what you should know about your divorce in California? Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. I think one of the things I really took away from that editing experience was something you said in it was basically, if you try to win, you will just lose harder and everyone will lose, like you said, except the attorney. And I feel like one of the things mom always said growing up was when you would have new clients, you would tell them like, Don't do this. Try to resolve it.
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Try to figure it out. It's not something you take pleasure in as a business.
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Thank you. I know you've been waiting for this day. You've been begging to come back on the podcast, haven't you?
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That many times? Even if it's a pretty peaceful or if it's not super complicated? 10 to 15 times? It can be.
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Yeah. I mean, you spend your days managing conflict, which does not sound even remotely peaceful. You get used to it. It sounds extremely stressful.
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Yeah. You're pretty easily able, or it seems like you're able to compartmentalize.
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Yeah. It's like a surviving mechanism. Did you know that about yourself going into it? Did you know like going into family law that this would be like somewhat easy for you emotionally because you could compartmentalize? Or is that just like, did that end up working out?
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Well, and a lot of times I'm sure someone's attorney, but also maybe a little bit their therapist, because they're like unloading these issues that they're having with their spouse on you and they're paying through the nose for it. I mean, I just I remember you being on long, extensive calls with people where, you know, they're complaining about something they're soon to be ex-spouses doing.
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Wow. We can unpack that later. Yeah. Why do we have dad on the podcast? I think we need to say, well, he's obsessed with celebrity gossip. Yeah. He generally, when we're, you know, we got on the phone, he's like, did you hear about Channing Tatum and Jenna Dewan and their settlement? And I'm like, dad, don't you have your own clients to think about?
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Wow. Yeah. And do you feel like people insist on going to court and not doing mediation because they want to use the court system to abuse their ex-spouses, essentially?
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Or they feel like it's more justice if how they can win? Yeah.
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Well, Angelina and Brad didn't get tired of it too quickly, OK? Because they are still battling to this day. And they divorced in 2017. We are in 20. We are about almost in 2025. It's nuts. Also, by the way, their relationship was 12 years, only married for two years. And now the divorce is getting to almost a decade.
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They do have a few kids under 18. Most of their children are adults now. One of the big reasons why they have this long protracted divorce is they had Chateau Miraval, which is a winery in France that was also a home of theirs, a second home of theirs or a fifth home or whatever. And Angelina sold her half of the estate to a party that Brad Pitt said was basically like selling it.
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It was I think it was to some Russian billionaire. And it's basically like selling it to someone who was he contested the sale of it. Right. He contested the sale and he said it was selling to someone who was like a hostile party to him. And he said she did that essentially to get retribution toward him. She said she did that to try to be done with this phase of her life.
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So they've been fighting over Miraval. A judge, I think, struck down that sale. So they've been fighting over Miraval ever since. And they've also been fighting about whether or not... So Brad Pitt wants to keep almost everything that was between them under NDA. And he's been trying to use the court system to... essentially make her life really difficult.
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I mean, dad, do you have a favorite celebrity at all?
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And he said that, you know, if he needed to produce his NDAs with her, she needed to produce every single NDA she's ever signed in the past, you know, decade, ever since they were together, which if you're in her line of work, that's just a ton of paperwork.
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And what her attorney said is it was trying to use the court system to bury her in paperwork so that revealing information about him did not come out. I think Brad Pitt also here is allegedly was potentially at times abusive to their kids. He's an alcoholic. There's a lot of like, you know, potentially bad information about him out there that he doesn't want.
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Well, in a private setting, will the documents become publicly available?
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Why would you be surprised if they were still in the public courthouse?
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Right, right, right, right.
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Yeah, please. By all means.
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So there's basically two sides to this. And Angelina's side is that Brad was alcoholic, physically, verbally abusive, almost towards the kids at one point. That's what caused the divorce. What Brad's side is is that she wanted to take a job with the United Nations that would move their kids and him out of the country. He didn't want that.
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And she made up this whole story in order to try to get custody of their kids and have this messy divorce so she could take that job. That's his side of the story. One thing that's really interesting that Chandler and I have noted is ever since this divorce, the kids want nothing to do with Brad.
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And Maddox has even posted publicly on his Instagram calling his dad horrible names, saying that he was, you know, abusive. One of the kids has even like removed Pitt from their last name. All the legal adult children have removed Pitt from their last name. So we'll get a lot of responses that are like Angelina Jolie is just clearly engaging in parental alienation.
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And that is the reason why you'll never see him with his kids and they want nothing to do with him is because she has brainwashed her kids against him. Chandler and I feel a little suspicious that she'll be able to brainwash all five of their children. Especially when both of the parents are like mega rich and could, you know, give their kids whatever they wanted.
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Yeah, it seems hard to believe that because a lot of times, you know, unfortunately, children will want to go with the spouse who will give them a nicer life and more freedom. But I feel like that tends to happen a lot, sadly. And they might not want to go with like the disciplinarian spouse that has the child's best interest at heart. Yeah, so we've just been a little bit confused here.
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So kind of just for you, hearing the facts of the case, hearing that some of the adult or all the adult children have dropped his legal last name and don't want to spend time with him. Do you feel like it's possible that this is just the result of Angelina engaging in parental alienation?
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I also just feel like I'm looking at this and, like, it's stunning. But I feel like, and I'm sure it all was very expensive. Yeah. But I feel like this could be done, like this look could be really easily done by just someone who is like resourceful, going to put the time in to find cool stuff, go to like thrift markets, go to cool vintage stores, like piece stuff together from estate sales.
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Like this kind of aesthetic I think can be achieved in a much more like – I don't know. Do you get what I'm saying? A little bit more like it's just approachable, like it's more accessible. It's a small home. Yeah, you could. This home could be like an affordable home in, you know, not L.A. Yeah.
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So I just think it's like seeing like, oh, living with a level of beauty and taste, I think it's available to anyone who's really willing to like put in the effort. I think that what you're reacting to is that a lot of the things that you see in this are stuff we've seen before in a familial way.
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The shapes of some of her furniture, it doesn't all feel like she got it at some crazy showroom in Soho.
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She says in the Arc Digest feature, she says that the fireplace used to be mirrored and foggy and she thought it was chic until someone told her it wasn't. And she goes, I immediately decided we needed to fix the fireplace. And I just love that because that's where I come from. Like, I'm not Emma Chamberlain. I feel like at 34, I'm still figuring out my point of view.
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Thank you for coming on the pod. Thank you for having me. This whole weekend has been so fun. Oh, it's been great to be here. Excited to chat. I just remember when Lauren was beginning her process of like, you know, furnishing her Brooklyn spot. She said, oh, I feel so bad. This Olivia girl does not know me, but I am being a total nightmare or something along those lines. That's true.
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I just and I'm still kind of like, you know, testing the waters. So I just I can relate to the indecisiveness. And like, I actually just need people to tell me what's cool. Yes.
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It's so cool. It also feels so just very cozy, which I think is the most important factor in my opinion. Unpretentious. It's like a place to tell secrets, like just comfy, cozy.
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I look at her living room and I know exactly where I want to like tuck my feet in her couch. Exactly. Yeah. And yeah. So love it. Warm. Good job, Emma. If you're looking to get more protein in your life and you want to do it in a gorgeous way where the taste is delicious and you actually look forward to the protein shake or the protein drink, look no further than the brand Clean Simple Eats.
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Grab a bag of the chocolate brownie batter protein powder, and I swear it will taste like a Wendy's Frosty. It tastes like a dessert, okay, but it's good for you. Clean, grass-fed protein. Lauren, you know how we've been on a dead run for like the last week? Well, let me just tell you that thank God I had early bird to, you know, help me unwind after the craziest seven days.
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I love taking a half if I'm going to unwind and watch a show. A full one is maybe more when I'm just looking to fully go to sleep. And they do a perfect job every single time. I will say a single bottle will last me a really long time because a half does wonders. I usually only take a half. I highly recommend going to earlybirdcbd.com using code POP20 for 20% off.
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And are you okay?
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Yeah. Well, that's what I mean. That's one of the things I loved about working with you is you were like, OK, now I need to know you need to know a lot about me. It was like it's almost like therapeutic on some level. It's just like we arrived and I didn't say this, but we arrived at like. I would call it like a moody farm girl apartment in New York City.
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And I am very delusional and I think I belong on a farm and I should be, you know, kind of like, yeah, I should be on a farm at all times. You would be you would you're very suited for.
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is inclined to text me and be like I'm so sorry this feels like a lot is actually a great client it's self-aware they're like a lot and they're not telling you that that's kind of an issue but no Lauren is wonderful it's self-aware a pleasure to work with oh my gosh it's been really really really great so yeah so fun oh I so when I was like when we got the unit I just knew I wanted an expert to help me I knew like I have to know my strengths in life and one of them is not like I
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Yeah, but it's not convenient at this time. And so I can't have a green couch, you know what I mean? That reminds me of the land. The land, yeah. Anyway, we did arrive at kind of like a space that is very specific to my history. And I just think that, yeah, that's one of the, I guess one of the great things about working with you is making things so specific that they feel really special.
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And her home, back to Kendall, I guess, her home, what's cool about it too is like she brings in some really unexpected items, like the pop art. I don't know those artists. I'm not cool enough. But like those pieces that are like electronic, they really lend cool vibes to the space.
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Oh, I was just going to say, I feel like she had such a departure from her other sister's style. Yes. Yes. That like sprawling, super neutral homes, like, you know, a sprawling open floor plan, you know, house that is like all white.
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Or if you literally look at Kim, I actually think that it's it's quite brave of her to be the younger sibling who's like, actually, I'm gonna do my home completely different.
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Yeah. I mean, I will say I think it's a miss that we don't have, like, huge jars of Oreos and different types of cereal. So that's the one thing I was missing. Huge miss. We're not seeing so much excess. You don't see every corner and there's not 3,000 Oreos.
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alone right it's just just so interesting that she's kind of i think her vibe is a little like oh like you guys it's enough like she just she's just a horse girl she's just understood i mean casual farm and i'm ready for the prairie honest her painting room kind of well like she's just into a lot of like i feel like la woo woo stuff like doesn't isn't her backyard like optimized for like a sound bath or something yes i think she has a sound bath and i think the paint room was something else before i mean that is that is where the luxury comes into me from like yes
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That is the celebrity part of this that I think is so fun. Like the paint room's annoying. The paint room's annoying. I don't know. It's just like, wow, it must be really great to be Kendall Jenner's friend. Like basically you go over to her house and it's like, color me mine, you know, with wine. So funny. I'm so curious. Like, what do you think about Kim's home?
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Yeah. And I think in an ideal world, your house like feels like you. And I don't feel like it feels like Kim. It just I mean, maybe it does. She's just like always in like monochromatic or like I miss Kimmy with like the mirrored glass.
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It's really not like I feel like one of the common mistakes a lot of people make is truly actually thinking that they are good at it when maybe they just they know a space they love. But doing it yourself is really difficult. And I kind of had this lesson with my wedding when I had someone help me style that and do the did the full design. Like I had so many bad ideas. Yeah.
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Let's move on to a house that's decidedly more livable. OK, with many more details, much more to feast the eyes upon, which is the abode of the one and only Gwyneth Paltrow.
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And we walked into like a wine store. And Blythe Danner, her mother, was buying. I didn't know this. I know I told you this. Oh, I was listening. Sounds all right. But anyway, we walk into this wine store. Blythe Danner is in there buying a bottle of wine. We're in, like, Amagansett. No, you never told me this.
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No, you didn't. Tell me everything. I need to know. I'm telling you now. What did you feel? What's crazy is that basically why I'm bringing this up is that, like, she was talking to the wine person. She checked out. And I was just like, follow her. My instinct was like, get in your car. Turn the car on. Fucking follow her. You didn't though. We did not. We did not.
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Well, we were with other friends and it was like, maybe it was just Courtney and I would have been like full psycho. Yeah. But I was like, the house is so close. I could go to this house. Like, it felt like my temple was close by and I was like, this is not my time to go there.
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I love how in her kitchen she has a fireplace because she like had a fireplace in her kitchen when she lived in the UK. And she talks about how cozy it was to have that. And like, you know, one day, hopefully, you know, if I if I get lucky enough, I can build a dream home and just like bring in all of like these like little tiny nostalgic features that just I don't know. It's so special. So cool.
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And there's a part of it that is like, maybe it sounds laughable, but a little like understated. Like it's all monochromatic. Like it's just, it's not, I don't know. There's just something about it. That's like, it just feels right. And it doesn't feel like it's like forced or like you didn't ever do it.
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And I really needed to be safe for myself. And so anyway, I was so excited because Courtney's space is so stunning. And I was like, I need to move quickly. We had this lease for a little over a year. I don't want to spend four months figuring this out. I want to just work really quickly with a professional and get it done. And anyway, you were just a miracle worker.
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It doesn't look like a mini fridge with eucalyptus towels that you need to see. Like, there's just like a little bit of light. I mean, it's gorgeous and luxurious and expensive, but it's not massive. It doesn't like run the course of the property. It's just humble. It's a humble, humble basement spa.
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I also loved how she talked about how, like, the Bridget had to kind of, there was, like, tense conversations over the chandelier in the formal dining.
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And I just think that is also where like having maybe and it's not it doesn't have to be like a hired designer. It can be your friend who loves design. Yeah. Who you're like, can you help me elevate my space? Can I bounce ideas off of you? Like it doesn't have to be someone that, you know, you don't have to have a designer.
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But I think having a third party who can maybe like say, no, let's like introduce something that's kind of interesting here. Add a little more depth is a little more unexpected. It just was very helpful for me.
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Like, cause like Lauren's house looks different than Courtney's house. My friend's house looks different than mine house apartment. And anyway, like, it's just, yeah. Like, I think that that's like the beauty of it.
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And that, and that if you are going to too many people asking for different opinions, you're just going to get like, I mean, I tell almost everyone at a certain point, I'm like, you've got to put your blinders on.
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We got it all done in basically like what, six weeks? Yes.
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And you saw me and you thought agrarian woman. I'm like, it's not convenient at this time for her to be on the farm, but she wishes she could be. Woman of the land. Exactly.
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with a designer that I think people maybe think it's way more expensive than it is that it's completely out of reach. I love Olivia's approach so much. I think it's so beautiful the way that it's all about finding what you love and like making that come to life versus just overlaying her style on top of your apartment or your space. Exactly.
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Such a cool story and such a meaningful, impactful brand story. I think I would love to get to our questions from our listeners because I know that they have so many from you. And honestly, but I would like to lead off with like, what were those smells? What were those like moments of invitation that people would have when they would come into like your mom's or your grandma's home? Yeah.
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Because I feel like I want someone to be like, oh, you know, when I went to Lawrence. Everyone wants to have that unique, like lasting impression on somebody.
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I just have to say as someone who has, you know, yet to maybe have the the space to need your services. My 450 square feet. It's a humble abode. You know, it's not necessarily ready for you. And, you know, but as someone who's just enjoyed your work via Lauren and, you know, Courtney spaces, you are just so special.
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Prices vary based on how you buy. Let's get to the official listener questions. The first listener question, best areas to save money in a house that needs a lot of work.
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And I think you are just you just give the space is such a unique warmth and you really pull in like the personalization from each person that you're working with. And I've seen that literally both Lauren and Courtney when they're different styles. And it's so also different.
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I would love to know. I've not built a home, but I imagine that the terror I would feel because it's like you're investing so much. But then you're like in 20 years, we got to redo all of it. And I actually don't really want to feel that way. Is there any way to like to truly have a timeless home?
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That's maybe some other designers that like exist in our world right now and just like ones that feel like kind of everywhere. And I feel like just like the stuff that you are able to curate and the looks and feels and, you know, just like the general spaces that you put together are just wonderful. Really spectacular.
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I feel like one of my favorite design quotes that someone said to me was, and it reminds me of a food quote, which is like the Alice Waters one, which is like, if you start with great ingredients, you can just create simple food that tastes like what it is. Yeah.
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And if like a home, if you don't try to turn your like Alpine cabin into a, I don't know, a white marble McMansion, like if you just keep the bones authentic to the region and the materials authentic to the region, like it's going to have much more longevity than if you try to make something what it's not.
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how to pick a good wallpaper. Should wallpaper be in the bathrooms where people are showering? I feel like you, we didn't grow up with wallpaper, but I first saw wallpaper in Courtney's like, I know that you helped with that. You, you know, obviously oversaw. And it was my first time where I was like, wait, I love wallpaper. So anyway, talk to us about wallpaper. So I grew up with wallpaper.
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I feel like too, it's like, it's a risk, but then like, I feel like the reward of it, like when it works well, it feels like, I don't know, it just feels more adventurous. You know, like if somebody does wallpaper in their home and they do it well, I'm like, oh, you have great taste.
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Versus someone who has a great home that doesn't have wallpaper. It's a really great, you went for it moment.
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What do you think, and we kind of lightly touched on this, but anything like rapid fire, like what do you think you don't need to pay through the nose for this? And people like can sometimes fall into the trap of paying through the nose for like, do you splurge always on the couch and then you always save on, you know, you get the end tables from Amazon? I don't know.
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Yeah. Love it. Yeah, because I guess, I mean, with buying stuff for your home on Etsy or Facebook Marketplace, like the resale value on a lot of this stuff is so much lower, obviously, than what you pay retail. So that is like a good way, I think, too. I mean, it's an obvious point to make.
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But just to drive home, it's like you can save money by finding things that other people are selling that they've already had in their home that have character, that have like, you know, that feel lived in. I can't even tell you the things I found at a super fails.
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not all one note right it's not all brand new right someone said how do i not decorate like everything we see on instagram and i think that's where to start is like maybe just don't buy it what's on available online you know entirely like i did well but i actually well i think it's knowing where to go online like knowing where to look because i i think that like something i struggle with is vintage stuff in new york can be very expensive
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There can a lot of times not be a ton of cost savings unless you're going to like true thrift stores. Yeah. Like I think maybe I'm just not in a place in my life yet where I'm ready to like splash out a ton on vintage furniture yet because I don't feel like I'm in my forever place.
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And so anyway, sometimes when you're like maybe if you live in a bigger city, I feel like some of the like in-person vintage places can still be quite overpriced. But I like this tip because I think going online, knowing where to look online for secondhand furniture is actually so key to like still getting some of those cost savings.
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Well, so this was a fun little story in the design process. I kind of gave you my initial inspo. Yeah. And I was like, I like Maison Truvail, that design house. I love like organic. I love, I don't know, just calming, serene. Okay. Yes. But I don't want it to feel like beige millennial boring. Yeah. And then you came back with options and they were beautiful.
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Different art, like, depth to the pieces. And we actually do have vintage art in your home. I was going to say, your house definitely doesn't feel like everything's brand new. No, no. Like it feels clean. But that's Olivia's magic. Right. You know, because I didn't even give that directive. Yeah. But she she made that happen. Yeah.
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So that, you know, it felt it feels like there are some treasures that are collected. I think what people are wanting to avoid is like, I bought this all in a month. You know, I bought all of this in the last six months. You know, like it's all feels like very of the moment or brand new.
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Any like renter friendly tips that you have for people who are like, yeah, I'm like kind of hijacking this, but I'm curious.
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And then I was like, okay, but what if we went funky and weird? And you're like, I love this idea. Let's do an iteration. And you came back with all these very cool things. And I'm like, oh, wait, I'm actually not funky or weird or cool. Let's go back to comics.
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One more question, one follow up question. What about for super small spaces? Like, what do you think is a common mistake people make when they live in super small spaces? Like, because I can feel like all of a sudden very overcrowded by all of my things because it's just like a small place. And so I guess like, how do you have a really gorgeous, artful, designed space that's only 450 square feet?
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I have a question. Someone says, how do I find my own style? That's a great question.
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
Quick lighting quick question. Do you like hate it when you walk into a space that is just all super white light?
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Let's just solve this problem.
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Do you ever do hue lighting? Have you ever done that? Smart lighting, but it can be warm. Can be. Have you? You know, I don't think I've done that. I asked just because Ben is my fiance is very into hue lighting in the sense of like making everything the same shade of like yellow and sometimes. Yes.
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that's kind of the way kind of the way that i stand and i yeah oh my gosh you should hear these men talk about leds yeah yeah it is crazy yeah it's so fun i will say you're a smart light bulb so they just function as like convenience like and it's super oh yeah ours are yellow like we yeah we're we're on the same team here because i'm also big like yellow i'm imagining like no not fluorescent well no like if i'm being honest he does like doing a lot with your sometimes
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We're just trying to find variation wherever we can. Exactly. Some days it's blue, some days it's red. We definitely prefer yellow lighting. Yeah. What are inexpensive ways to update a bedroom or kitchen?
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
I feel like if you fixing the light and getting like Ikea has some like great light fixtures. Like, I don't know. This is a design episode. I don't want to give people Ikea advice if that's maybe not. I will buy anything from anywhere as long as I like it. Yes. Yeah. Great. Ikea is great with me. Yeah. Yeah.
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
And so the space where we are renting in Brooklyn and this, you know, all these rental, especially these new units, they all have very cheap finishes. Like, it's not the beautiful stone kitchen. It's, like, very standard. But now I'm thinking, oh, like, maybe I should swap out some hardware. Like, just to give it some, like, little. Little extra. It just makes it feel less cookie cutter. Mm-hmm.
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
A sweet knob is the cutest thing I've ever heard. Literally, I'm on my way to Home Deep after this. A cuter store to buy sweeter knobs.
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Okay, wait. Sorry. I know you're going to be an expert at this one, so I have to ask you it. Someone says, I love traditional and romantic arches. Husband loves modern and harsh lines. Help me. Oh, God. You need to tell your story.
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Yeah. I love it.
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But I feel like what's cool about it is and I just have to make this disclaimer. This episode is in no way sponsored and I'm not I don't know. I'm like ready for the, you know, the DM. I'm not saying this is a flex. OK, but I did pay Olivia's full fee. Like there's no any weird side dealings happening here. I really wanted to get on the podcast. Yeah, exactly.
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I want a master class in like how to assess quality, like across the board, in food, in objects, in my home. Because I just feel like having an eye for quality and what makes something special and what will arrive and not look good, that is just like half the battle, you know? I mean, you don't trust yourself like me.
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
Well, I think, too, it's hard when you can buy something expensive that actually is shitty quality. I feel like that was a big revelation I had when I finally could afford more expensive things. I was like, some of this stuff, it's the same as the $200 dress.
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Go here. That's kind of nice. It's like there's good stuff kind of everywhere. There's also stuff to avoid. And you have to learn to, like, you know, use your eye to really be discerning.
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Yeah, she really just helps you kind of like hone in on what is going to make your space special because you live in it. And it really tells a story. So it's such a fun episode. First, we go through Celebrity Interiors. Then we chat about Mother's Daughter Design. And then we do most of the episode. It's just answering your questions. It's so great.
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yeah well and I think too just to go back to what you're saying about like the solid wood table like maybe that's a place where it's like okay I'll buy this second hand if it's solid wood yeah you know like that's maybe where you can like give and take with price stuff the one thing I will say like that I'm so happy I worked with a designer for is sorry kind of like a little bit of a left turn but it's in the sectional purchase because I don't think I could have gotten that sectional on my own
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You did all that just just for this very episode. No. But I think what the value add there is like, it's not like you're doing one design for everyone. You really can come and say, this is what I really like. And you can.
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Like I had to be because it's not just like a storefront. Right.
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And I think that's where if you do have the budget, Or maybe you're like, hey, there are some key pieces I do want to order through a designer because I want the bed or I want this sectional to be perfect. So I just need to hire this person for these one-off purchases. It's where it could make a huge difference because we bought the Pottery Barn Dream sectional for our place in Puerto Rico.
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And it has been a nightmare. It was $8,000. We fucking hate it. To share more why. Yeah. Because it's hard. I can feel the frame. Like, on my frame, I can feel the frame of the couch. It's just, it's not cushiony enough. It's just been awful. And, like, the couch we got with you was not that much more. And, like... it is so different quality wise.
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That's where I just think there's sometimes when you're like, okay, I should just try to find someone who can help me source some super high quality stuff for these key pieces.
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Yeah, and also, I mean, I just feel like knowing what size to order, like you said, like knowing it's going to fit. Even when the couch first got there, because we had a cheap Wayfair one there for a minute just to tide us over that I sold on Facebook Marketplace. And anyway, when the couch first got there, I'm like, whoa, this thing is way too big. And it's green.
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
And it's like, you know, I just...
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
Another like rapid fire question. What are your favorite paint colors to use?
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Last fun question. Have you ever had a client and they're like, I want to live in a villain's headquarters and Olivia, I need you to help me do it. Like, I just want to know if you've ever had to design a space that was just so not your style.
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And I feel like the best way to kind of discuss spaces that feel like people, okay, that live in them, especially on Pop Apologist, is to get into some celebrity interiors. Yes. Lauren and I have discussed celebrities' interiors before. We are no stranger to that conversation. And we've had some swift judgments. Right. But we're also novices when it comes to this.
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Well, you did it for this moody farm girl. So thank you. It was the best. Guys, this has been so fun. Thank you so much, Olivia. Thank you guys for having me. Really cool. We need to share. So Olivia, we worked entirely by voice memo. Like we didn't, we never even met over Zoom because I've been very hectically busy. And so we didn't even meet.
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We just like sent a bunch of voice memos, reviewed stuff. You do not need to like, you don't have to be, you know, Utah based to work with you. Where can people find you?
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Yeah. And even you, you had like a menu and it was like, okay, do you want me to just help you with the items? Then you purchase it and kind of take it from there. Do you want me to purchase it, but you handle installation or do you want this done for you? And you walk into your done home. And I was like, if you can help me with purchasing, but then I'll do installation, that'd be great.
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So I like pick the middle option. So there's just ways to like get the help you need without being Kendall Jenner.
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Yeah. Yeah. And could someone pay you just like for an hour of your time to look at their mood board? For sure. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. So cool.
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Love it. I love to help people. Saying yes is fun. Yeah. You guys go follow Olivia Snow at Mother's Art Design. Is that a real name? Olivia Snow. It is a real name. That's so cool. Oh, thanks. Anyway, it's just like.
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Olivia Snow. It's such a good name. It's very storybook. Perfect for your cottage life. Yes. One day. One day. Yeah. OK, you guys, Mother's Daughter Design on Instagram. We're going to have a lot of actually right now. Also, go check out our sub stack because we're going to have everything we sourced and purchased for the Brooklyn Moody Farm Girl apartment.
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You can find there on our sub stack article. And then we have all the photos posted. So it's just been so, so fun. Thank you so much, Olivia. It's been a treat. Love working with you, ladies. Thank you. Bye, guys.
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So it's going to be really great for us to have an expert on the podcast to, you know, hopefully validate some of the things that we think.
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267: Celeb Interiors, Budget-Friendly Design, and Making Your Home YOU
OK, let's do it. OK, so you sent over Emma Chamberlain's home.
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I mean, it's so special. I'll just read a little bit about it. It was built in 1955. It's clad in cedar shake shingles. The structure reads like an alien hybrid of Northern California hippie modern and Topanga Canyon Birkenstock bohemian with a dash of Adirondack charm. Okay. I feel like this home, every detail is so cool.
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All of a sudden I'm like, wait, actually, maybe I need to get a lot cooler and have like niftier vibes and style. It's very you Chandler. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I think that what really, well, first of all, I have to tell everyone that when her arc digest came out, I was extremely triggered. Because once again, I don't know, is she like 10 years younger than me or something?
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You guys, this is such a fun episode. We sit down with Olivia from Mother's Daughter Design, the designer who helped me with the Brooklyn space that Kagan and I are renting. And it is just such a fun episode. We get into celebrity interiors. We chat through all of your Q&A. There is just so much about working with a designer.
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She's 21 in this. Yeah, exactly. And I think seeing someone's perfectly designed, curated home who was literally 10 years younger than me, it was triggering to me. And it still is. It still definitely is. So I'm going to do my best to put those feelings aside. But I think what I do love about this home is that it feels very youthful. And there are so many youthful elements to it.
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But it also feels like... Well done.
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Listen to the end because there's just so many special nuggets. And just a note, disclaimer, this episode is not sponsored. I paid Olivia her full fee, but I just felt like it would just be so fun to have her come on and chat celebrity interiors. And when I threw out the question on Instagram, everyone was like, we want this.
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Eleni, I almost feel like her choices go to show what a talent she is. Because you really have to have that distinctive perspective and taste level to achieve what she has achieved. And I don't think she was scared of anything.
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I mean, there's –
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Yeah. I think we should, though, now move to another younger, younger celebrity. I think we should talk about, you know, this home because it has also a lot of energy. Yeah. OK, I think and I think the words that I just used to describe Emma Chamberlain's I think could also be used to describe this home, but in a very different way. I think we just need to talk about Juju Hadid. Let's do it.
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Because this was maybe one of the first times where I saw an architectural digest and I was just like, am I on a different planet than everyone else in the world? Because this is horrendous. So everyone, Gigi bought her home in December 2018, her second in the same building she already owned in. She reportedly combined two units and spent all of 2019 renovating. She said, She also added,
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Also, if you want to see pictures, we have photos posted on Instagram right now. Go to our sub stack where you can see a bunch of photos and you can see the furniture pieces we pulled. And as well, I highly recommend watching this episode. You can watch it on YouTube.
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I think she is certainly expressing herself.
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Yeah. That was actually one of the notes that my designer for my wedding gave me was I wanted to have like super, like super intense string lights above the table. And she was just like, you just, people's eyes need some sort of like rest and it's going to be just like way too much stimulation.
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And again, that's where it's like, you need someone reining you in and kind of telling you when your ideas maybe aren't like the best. Like, can we discuss this? When does multicolored painted bow tie pastas work for display in cabinetry? Yeah.
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She's nostalgic. The nostalgia. Yeah. I've sat with this material for a while. We've talked about it many a time, but this time, you know, there's a new read that's coming to me and it all kind of gives like Disney set, like the set of like some funky Disney show.
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You can watch it on Spotify because we're going to have a lot of visuals of these celebrity interiors we're talking about, as well as the photos from our photo shoot. Okay. And with that, enjoy the episode. Well, well, well, today is such an exciting episode of Pop Apologist because we are joined by none other than Olivia Snow of Mother's Daughter Design. Olivia, we are so excited to have you.
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I just think like- It's a kaleidoscope. Something that Lauren and I talk about a lot is just that like money does not equal taste. No. And I actually think this reminds me of Emma Roberts' house that you also sent. Oh my gosh, yes. I think Emma Roberts' house is a very, can we proceed? Yeah, let's proceed.
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And also everyone, disclaimer, we are fully self-aware that we are criticizing homes we can't afford when it comes to like, I know, or at least for myself, I can't afford Gigi Gigi's house. I'm going to proceed though to make a few critiques. And that I think is highly relatable for most people. Okay.
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But I think that the concept of like, you don't need a ton of honestly money or a huge house to have a stunning space. Her house is this very like, how would you describe it?
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We would be remiss if we did not ask about the new house.
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No, you're right. And I actually, I just feel like the kids of like billionaires can sometimes be like the most jaded because they have like to go from the SUV to the G6. Like you need like Kim Kardashian's kids. Yeah.
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No, fully. I don't think that's possible.
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Just not. It's an experiment worth trying out.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Yeah. It's like, it would be like trying to swim completely upstream to try to like, I don't know, to not have that type of life.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
So it is like a nature thing. They can kind of just come out good and you don't have to worry as much.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Yeah, yeah. Okay, switching gears a little bit because we unfortunately don't have the problem of being billionaire parents. So one day maybe you never know. One day. Okay. Okay, but I have a question that's quite personal to me and that I feel like you really influenced me listening to your show.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Like listening to the way you would talk about taking joy and taking care of Terry was very influential to me because that is something I really love to do with my husband. And I remember hearing you talk about how like, You'd like look for opportunities to like take care of him, like put toothbrush on his toothpaste or like little things like that.
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And I feel like on our podcast, I've shared a little bit of just the ways I am like kind of can be a little doting and enjoy that. And I feel like sometimes I've gotten in trouble for that.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Yeah, I'm getting, like, I'm giving trad wife vibes, and I'm not a good enough feminist. And even though, like, I have my own business, and I very much, like, you know, I take care of my husband because he takes such good care of me.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
I mean, okay. That actually was a pro tip I gave on our Patreon exclusive.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
It was like a good way to be a little bit catering and nurturing but not doing a lot of work is you don't have to cook the meal but just plate it.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
I don't know. I think I had a weird mental hang-up that it was, like, not a normal area to need to work on.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Yeah, there's a degree of polish that you want to have. Also, just to go back to what we were talking about with this, I think it's also like approaching partnership and your lifelong romantic relationship as like we're both trying to give 110%. It's not this like black and white, 50-50. If you're not giving 50%, then I'm not giving 50%. Totally.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Cause that's embarrassing. It's like, there's like sexy upgrades and then there's like, you were wrong to begin with.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
I just have to say, I just love yours and Terry's relationship. I love seeing it as like an audience member also because I think you guys love spending so much time together. Like you love going out, even just before we sat down, you're like, and then we got dinner. Like there was like this little gleeful smile on your face and it's just, I don't know. It's very happy. I love it.
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It's a fix it versus an upgrade it.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
It's working for now. For the time being. We're not jinxing anything. OK, question. Obviously, Terry works a high-pressure job where there's a lot at stake, and he can be getting up very early. Were there ever times where the stress of how hard he was working strained the relationship to a point where you felt disconnected for a minute, not just a few weeks, maybe six months or something?
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Yeah. But you know, honestly, I also feel like I don't regret keeping a few things to myself because I share way too much. So I have a few secrets, you know, it's my luxury.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
So is that kind of how you navigate that situation, is through communication?
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
And I think couple therapy can be a situation where it's like, we can reach for it if we need it. If we don't, it doesn't need to be like, I don't see couple therapy, hopefully for myself as something that is a weekly, even a monthly thing. It's like, if you're going through a tough patch, talk to a professional.
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If not, you know, sometimes I do think it can be like, you know, I don't need to think this week about what my partner did wrong. I almost, like, you don't need to, like, go back in that way.
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A quick fun question, just to lighten things.
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Really? Yes. Oh my gosh, thank you. We're sisters, by the way.
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Yes, I realize you're sisters. So we are, I'm curious about- Who's older? I'm older. Okay. How far apart are you?
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Five years. So we'd be remiss if we did not ask about the new house. Yeah. And what the vibe is gonna be. Is there gonna be a YouTube series? Is there gonna be a champagne wall? Is there gonna be a wrapping room? Stained glass.
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Well, well, well. This is a long awaited day on Pop Apologist because fresh from the French driven snow is the one and only Heather Dubrow. Thank you so much for being here.
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Okay. Like for the kids?
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Okay, that's a huge exclusive.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Oh my gosh, we are extremely honored.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
I love being in a building. I love a view. It's just nice. I mean, I say that as someone who's never had anything else. I've never had a home, but I can imagine that a freestanding home. Did you grow up in the city? No, no. I mean, me and my husband have never had our own home. We've always lived in a building. But I just imagine, everything is so much work, probably.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Right. Right. Well, my thing also is like, so some people naturally just like their bodies physiologically don't need extra GLP one or whatever it is. And so why do the people whose bodies maybe do need a little bit of help? Like we don't ask people, Oh, you're happy today. Are you on some SSRIs? Like, why are we asking about the, all the augmentations possible? It's just no one's business.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
I also just feel like for your and Terry's lifestyle, which is like probably going out to dinner all the time and you're in and out, like to have even a 20 minute drive to some house that has like this incredible view or however long the drive is, it's just a little bit less convenient.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Oh my gosh. Incredible. okay so another question that everyone is going to be upset with us if we don't ask yeah we'd be remiss ask them all what are the secrets to looking as gorgeous as you do no like so stunning so much access to anyone you want but continuing to look like yourself like not going down the path that we see other people go down where they kind of look otherwise yes
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Please share any beauty secrets.
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How's the well-being trend for you? Exactly.
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Oh, my gosh. Anyway, so we, okay, this is our first episode of 2025.
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Well, happy birthday.
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And we feel like for 2025, everyone is thinking, like, how can I optimize? How can I be like the best version of myself right now when they're listening? Because, you know, new year, new intentions. And who better to ask how to be the best versions of ourselves than Heather fucking Dubrow?
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Well, okay. I've never done that. I feel like it's such a statement to not have lip filler. And it's so chic. Like Gwyneth doesn't have lip filler.
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Okay. And how has the, sorry, I'm now just trying to get all the information I can. We're short on time. How has the like, I remember you and Tara were big on intermittent fasting back in the day. Are we still doing that? Like how is everyone feeling their best for 2025?
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
So there was, I mean, I feel like you've always just been, like, always looked amazing.
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I feel like another key must be just finding also something that you really enjoy. It sounded like the Orange Theory or the HIIT training just started to feel like not as good and you didn't look forward to it anymore as much.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
No, that's good advice. Wow. I like need to write down every single thing and schedule some appointments when I get home. Thankfully it's all recorded.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
I know you have a very important meeting that you need to get to.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Okay. What went through your brain when Tamara's peeing on the backyard concrete?
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
For me, it's my worst moment of the season. Like, unnecessary. Unnecessary.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Not good TV. Not either. Like, hard to watch TV.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Yeah. Well, and I always think about, like, with these shows, I would so much rather hear these women talk about their life lessons and the wisdom that they can share that's unique to them rather than, like, going round robin about what they don't like about each other.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Yeah. I think that's so inspiring because I think that so often, especially as we get older, we're like, oh, I can't start dance classes. That's four. Four year olds.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
So cool. Yeah. Yeah. I think I just feel like you're such a vibrant person and have such a zest for life. And I think that's a huge part of it. Obviously, it's like not being afraid to embark on new things. Things at any moment.
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Wow. That's incredible. I mean, can I just say to our listeners, I'm going to probably, people are going to be like, you gassed her up too much. But honestly, like Heather Durow, better in person.
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I'm feeling very inspired. 2025, let's do it.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Thank you so much for being here, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. And we'll be back next week. Bye.
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And what the vibe is going to be. Is there going to be a YouTube series? Is there going to be a champagne wall? Is there going to be a wrapping room?
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It's a dream come true. Also, I want to say that, you know, you might actually recognize Lauren's voice. This is not, you know, the first time you have been on a radio show together because Lauren was a dedicated listener and caller of Dr. and Mrs. Guinea Pig. Seriously. How many times did you call in, Lauren? A few. I got some free consultations from Terry. How did that go?
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Yeah, yeah. No, that's so important.
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I also love the idea of also like kind of looking back and making that list because I think you can miss a lot of small things that were like big wins when you're looking back and like, oh, maybe I didn't get the promotion or I didn't get X big thing.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
And then, you know, your year might have actually had a lot of small victories and a lot of other things that you didn't maybe expect to go well that did. So I don't know. I love that exercise. I want to do that with my fiancee.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Well, it's not a zero sum game when you're, you know, like, yeah. Especially when you're traveling with kids. I'm curious. I remember. So Heather, I know so much about you because I truly, we both do. I love it. I listened to Heather Dubrow's world, Doctor Who's Skinny Pig. And so anyway, I remember when the teenagers were more assholes.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
yeah they had those times but it seems like those times have gone yeah right and so I'm so curious like how long did that last how you kind of got through it because now seeing them on the show with you it's just so sweet how much they clearly are obsessed with you and like enjoy you and so I'm just curious like if you maybe you can give some hope to moms listening who are dealing with that
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Honestly, okay, there's one procedure I got that I have not disclosed. Oh.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
I'm not going to disclose what it is. Everyone knows that I got it, and I won't disclose. I'm transparent about not being transparent. Okay. I called in and Terry was like, this procedure is life-changing. You should 100% do it.
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Yeah. It was a Saint Tropez.
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Because I think there's so many kids, and especially when you're in college or whatever, you don't want to spend time with your parents.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
So it's a really... I don't know. Once again, the blueprint. That's what people want.
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I feel like, okay, dovetailing on this like kids and experiences question. One of the questions, one of our listeners wrote in, and I think that it's very particular to you. How do you raise like good motivated kids that can stay some level of grounded when they have these like crazy experiences and they have parents who have achieved so much?
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And he just said, for patients that have it, and I'll share it with you and we'll edit it out, but for patients that get it done, he was like, it changes their life completely.
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And how do you protect them from a pressure to even someday match their parents' success?
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
Especially when you're paying a lot of money. It's not like you're asking for things that you don't need to pay for. 100%. Okay, I have something kind of controversial to say and probably a little gauche to say.
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254: Heather Dubrow's Exclusive Scoop on Her Beverly Hills Fate
And I love it when you go gauche. I'm going off script. I'm going rogue right now. But I feel like the experience of having all these experiences for the first time, right? Being someone who works from a place and gets to a different place. Not that we're anywhere near anything. But I feel like that's more of our experience, right?
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We've been able to gain some experiences as adults through our own hard work. We're a little bit more like, oh, wow, this is crazy. Am I jaded? No, I just feel like it's like more fun to be an adult with that experience than to grow up with everything on some level.
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Because you're like in awe.
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I think that you are making the mistake of inhabiting the minds of females as you view this. And you're like, they don't get along intellectually. They're not really connecting, you know, cerebrally. You guys, Justin Baldoni is hot as fucking shit. Ryan Reynolds saw that. I'm sorry, but it's literally that simple. Well, well, well, everyone, we are so excited for this episode today.
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It's so, it's so cringy. I feel like let's hold off on reading that because Chandler and I are going to do a full like breakdown after this of the timeline. So let's hold off on reading that. I have a question for you going back to the moment when Blake sends the Khaleesi dragon text.
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And Justin Baldoni sends a seven minute voice memo to her at 2 a.m., which was leaked by his team. I think we should roundtable our thoughts on this voice memo. Did it seem creepy? Did it seem like he was making her uncomfortable or did it seem that, you know, how did you guys feel about it?
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It's so cringy. I'm cringing through all of it. I felt like he was having to placate her so hard. He placates her the whole time in the lawsuit.
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Part five, you'll be able to join on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Patreon, YouTube members. It's available everywhere. So on Thursday, get ready for part five as well. All right. Enjoy the episode. do. Thank you so much for joining Pop Apologist. Is that correct? How you prefer to be addressed in this life? Yes. In this life.
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i'm making a movie i'm gonna get the pga credit this is like yeah you know this is my big project and my oscar play exactly and i think she almost came at it with a well men get to strong arm and take over things and just basically abuse people in the workplace all the time so why can't i as a woman it was like a really weird way really roundabout like
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Right. All the documentation of her being rude to people. I just feel like Justin Baldoni's PR team didn't manufacture that with AI. You know, that's real footage.
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OK. So our friend was dating someone in Park City. And this person knew Blake Lively. And the person, they broke up, OK? And this is alleged. This is hearsay. This is what our friend told us. But we do believe our friend. And what this person says is that Blake Lively, when he told her about the breakup, she was really happy about it. And that quote, he can do better than a single mom.
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She said, no more single moms.
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It's not even something you would say to your girlfriends in a petty moment. It's like, who talks like that? It's not even something I think. I don't categorize single moms as somehow less desirable. If anything, I'm like, that is just the most brave thing to do on your own in such a position in life that would be so difficult. Right, hardest job in the world.
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Oh my gosh. We are so excited to have you on Pop Apologist today. It's so funny. We are obviously off camera because you are anonymous. So it's just going to be fun to sit down and chat all of the Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively drama. That's kind of what we want to get into today. Are you down?
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And most important, raising the continuation of the species, thank you, I think that that kind of malevolence, if it's true, is deplorable. But okay, another question for you. Do you think that, going back to the It Ends With Us drama, do you think that this was all a big scheme with Colleen Hoover to get the rights back?
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Because there is the clip where Blake Lively says, the interviewer asks, like, is there going to be an It Starts With Us? Like, what's next? And Blake says, if Colleen has the rights, I will follow her anywhere.
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Exactly. From my reputable source. It did seem to be cited as like there is this clause in his contract. But you're right. It could just be a total rumor. I do still think, though, that it's a weird thing to say.
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I think that it's also important to note that Colleen Hoover probably saw that, you know, Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively wanted to bring this The It Ends With Us brand under their purview. And they wanted to potentially take this much further than Wayfair Studios could have. And there could be a monetary motive here on the part of Colleen Hoover. Also, they're a bigger name to hit your wagon to.
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I think he was already like in communication with Colleen Hoover years before. Okay. I think this has been like a long, a long project for him. And then, you know, then Blake Lively came on as like primary talent or whatever. And knowing that she's never read the book, I don't think that she had any, I don't think she even knew about it.
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Well, I think that's exactly what happened, and I think that she potentially thought this could be my Deadpool and Wolverine total situation.
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coordination it needed to be Blake Lively's interpretation of it ends with us well and maybe that's why it was so important for her to have his name removed so it didn't say a film by Justin Baldoni if you look at the movie poster like the one that actually just says like Blake Lively it's like her name is at the top then it says it ends with us I think Colleen Hoover's name is on it but like it is just compared to the original one like where there were three names on it like it is just it is the Blake Lively it ends with us movie
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And she would not promote the film unless they removed it. So like you said, it's completely diabolical.
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We haven't really heard from her.
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The problem, though, is that a lot of the things that she says happened didn't happen. They just fully didn't happen. Like when she said that she was mostly naked in the birthing scene and just had a small strip in her complaint, it makes it sound like she just had a small strip of fabric covering her genitalia but was otherwise nude from the chest down.
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And then in his lawsuit, it says that she had black briefs on and a pregnancy stomach and something covering her stomach and a hospital gown on. She was in no way nude. And so that's where she starts to lose really any trustworthiness because there's just like outright lies that are very damning.
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I'm so flattered. Well, I think it's perfect to have you on because you don't bring a fully Team Justin approach to this subject matter, correct?
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That is such a fascinating side of all this, because I just want to know, like, where are the other actors in all of this? Where's Jenny Slate?
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Like, I know there are some, like, the other actors whose, like, names are all escaping me, but, like, the people who play young Lily and young Atlas and Brandon, I can't remember his last name, but the guy who plays older Atlas, like, all of them are, like, radio silent. Mm-hmm. And people have to know what actually happened on set.
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Are all of those people just silenced to quote Oprah by the Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, Hollywood machine? Or do they actually know more and are afraid to? I don't know. Are they afraid to speak out?
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Do you think they're afraid of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively, or do you think they're afraid of the public, which is so team Houston?
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sheds a lot of light here. If they're not afraid of Toon Justin, the only people they would be afraid of are Ryan and Blake. And on set, they saw
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inappropriate behavior they saw things that validated her case they would not be afraid to say those things so in my opinion the fact that everyone is silent is because they can't corroborate her claims and they don't want to go against her that that to me is very damning that's why it needs to go to trial like maybe there'll be witnesses called i wouldn't hear from third parties like i'm not saying i don't believe blake or i don't believe ryan i don't know what to believe
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Okay, I want to get your thoughts on this because this is something you can speak to. Since you weren't on set and we don't have any third parties here today, let's get to something that is definitely in your domain of expertise. And so the only person in the celebrity sphere that's really speaking out about this is Justin Anderson, which is interesting.
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And he left a comment on Daily Dose of Donna saying, one of her reels. We love her. And he said on one of her reels, the amount of people in Hollywood, just all caps, waiting to finally share their Blake and Ryan horror stories. That's when it's going to get good. They know it's coming too. OK, do you must have heard if there are all these horror stories? Yeah, I mean, there are.
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So now I have to ask as well, because the internet is in your DMs, are you getting stories about Justin Baldoni? I mean, obviously a lesser known name, but are people DMing you, please, a non, you know, don't share, but this is what happened with Justin Baldoni and I. Yes, I have received some on Justin Baldoni.
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But did you get any horror stories out of Justin Baldoni before any of this went down?
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So this was outside the timeline where it could have been Blake and Ryan's team laying the groundwork. It was way before the lawsuit. But now we know like this has been going on behind the scenes for months. So, yeah, in theory, it could have been just, you know, early on in like the press tour for everything.
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I have one more question. Yeah. Really, really quick. Or I guess Lauren has a question. Like my eyes are literally shot me the dirtiest look.
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Please. OK, well, thank you. I want to know a Blake Lively or two horror story in your DMs. That's like pretty notable and that you trust.
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If you have anything off the top of your head, if you don't, I don't have anything off the top of my head.
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No worries at all. Also, Lauren, I think those stories just exist. I feel like we've heard so many things about when, you know, on Gossip Girl, none of the cast was really friends with her.
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Perfect. OK, I think that team logic, team reason, team objectivity is what we really strive for as well. And what I really do think most people are wanting, and when Chandler and I were first going over the case, we looked over Blake's side. And we were very team Blake, because we just thought, oh my gosh, he's talking about his porn addiction.
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The other thing I want to ask you, just randomly, are you getting a lot of secret praise? Or like, don't share this, but I had a great experience working with Blake and Ryan. Are there those types of DMs, or is it really all negative? I know people are probably more inclined to write in about the negative stuff, but just curious.
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negative and positive workplace stories. So Chandler has seen me like squirming in my seat because there is probably the most important part of all of this to bring up, which is how Taylor Swift plays into it. We are major Swifties, and so it's been a personal faith crisis. A dark night of the soul for us, this entire saga. We're dying to hear your thoughts.
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I mean, Daily Mail published an article. It said that this headline is chilling. Yeah. It said, well, do you have the headline? I know it by heart. Great. It was literally in my brain. I'm seeing my Daily Mail browser. But it was Taylor Swift is taking a step back from friendship with Blake Lively. Last week, this article was published in the Daily Mail. Here are some quotes.
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It says Lively appeared to threaten Baldoni by comparing herself to Game of Thrones character Khaleesi in a series of text messages in which she referred to Reynolds and her best friends as her, quote, dragons.
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The uncool and unnecessary description was reportedly the final straw for Swift, who had never planned to be at the meeting, but arrived at Lively's New York penthouse to find it was still ongoing. The quote continues, for the time being, she's taking a step back from Blake because she doesn't want to get tangled in this more than she already has, which is far more than ever needed to be.
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Her friends also think that Blake's I'm Khaleesi and like her, I happen to have a few dragons text to Justin was uncool and unnecessary because she was essentially used as an intimidation tactic. She was referred to as some kind of pet or possession tactic. I mean, is this drop by tree pain? What do you think?
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Oh, this was like giving me hope for Taylor. I was like, I was like, I can listen to her music again.
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Well, there was a Page Six article that followed up to it and said, no, they're still friends. Yeah, a lot of people said that.
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Okay. Also, for what it's worth, if Taylor Swift just, you know, abdicated the friendship with Blake Lively in the wake of this bad press, it would be kind of rich coming from Taylor Swift, who, you know, I feel like really clings to her friends who were true to her during her reputation era.
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He's like, yeah, there were points in her complaint that were just sort of irrefutable, if that's the right word. Things that were just like, there's no excuse for this whatsoever. But then after we dug into just inside of things, it felt like so much was contextualized. And I feel like Lauren and I are just now swimming in the sea of Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively, all the things.
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She's had a few axes to grind.
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It's true. And even if let's say she was cringed out by that text, you can just hear the Blake Lively.
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So how do we reconcile the fact that confirmed nice girl Taylor Swift is friends with BFFs with basically confirmed mean girl Blake Lively?
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I mean, maybe it's just that she doesn't see that side of Blake Lively because I'm sure Blake Lively just kisses her ass.
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Can we quickly just read the text messages where Blake talks about how she flirts? Oh, yeah. That were in the timeline.
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It's so good. So the Ryan Reynolds to Justin Baldoni text. That's what we should read first? Or should we read the case? Yeah, let's do that one. I was having trouble reading these a little bit because they were so blurry. Yeah. I'm like, can't we get high-res screenshots? But you can tell these are done by a boomer attorney. He's like, screenshotted it on his iPod Nano or whatever.
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Seriously, like a picture of a screenshot. OK, so basically, everyone, Justin Baldoni texts Ryan Reynolds at the beginning of production. This is in February of 2023. Just kind of saying, I'm going to be working with your wife. Want to establish a rapport? Whatever. I'll read it, actually. instead of summarizing it.
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I might actually need you to help me read it because it's like literally hard for me to see. Here, why don't you read it? I'll read it. We'll read this in full on our next part. But I think the key thing is basically he's trying to establish goodwill. He basically says, I'm going to be working with your wife a lot. He kisses his ass from here to Timbuktu. It's just so cloying to read.
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It's literally painful. He's like, you guys operate and you orbit in different planetary systems than us mere mortals. I mean, I'm being hyperbolic, but that's exactly the tone he also says that he like that Blake had given him his number Brian's number or like weeks before but he was too nervous oh yeah oh shut up I hate all these people So, of course, Ryan Reynolds texts back a while later.
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We are getting into the Justin versus Blake Lively war, okay? It's not a battle, everyone. It is a full-blown war. And who better to join us than do effing more? I cannot believe Dumont came on our podcast. Here's what I loved about the episode. I felt like she really had information that I didn't know about and seemed like highly verified.
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And yeah, I feel like there is still just so much we need to understand about what actually happened. But it feels like Blake's side of things was definitely skewed, in my opinion.
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And he sends a very long message. At the end of it, and it's a nice message. At the end of it, though, he's talking about a schedule. Wait, I think you need to read the whole thing. The whole thing. Or read some excerpts from it. I think we just want to get to the key part of this, right? We're only here to get to the ending. I mean, I guess. Do you want me to read this whole thing?
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I think, and also I think the whole thing is just dripping with Ryan Reynolds annoyingness. Okay, let's do it. Hey, Justin. Sorry for the delay. I've been in a writing cave and the girls are sick, dot, dot, dot, again. I'm told they have an immune system, but it's in beta testing. So classic. Like, literally, that could have been like a Deadpool joke. But it's in beta testing.
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What a loving and generous message. Thank you. We're both looking forward to getting to know you and your family better. We're also big fans over here since before we met and more so after. You've been a wonderful collaborator with Bea, and that means a great deal to both of us. Being a stand-up person is everything, and you've been just that since day one. Thank you.
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you've hit oh gosh you've hit the jackpot with b she literally passes on every film and every filmmaker all the time but one thing i know and i speak of from a deep wellspring of experience here having her and your court behind the scenes as a creative is invaluable i'm just picturing also blake lively like i'm not gonna do a simple favor too sorry i won't be doing it like Yeah, okay.
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Yeah, I mean, it's just like really every filmmaker is just chomping at the bit. Like I had no idea that Blake Lively was just so esteemed.
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Decline, decline, decline. Okay, he says, some of the greatest creative decisions I've made, he puts I've in quotes,
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that some of the greatest creative decisions i've made are in fact blake the same goes for x he's referring to someone who's blocked out the acting is a small piece wait do we think taylor it's taylor was this after the meeting at the penthouse yeah i'm i bet you it is because i don't think it was after the meeting it seems like this was really early on okay but i i bet you what is taylor because if you look at anything taylor swift has worn in the past
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calendar, 12 rolling months, like that tracks. 12 years. That tracks that Blake Lively had a key hand in those awful decisions. I mean, I'm sorry. Love you, Taylor. But let's, OK. OK, so he says, the acting is a small piece of a pretty astounding patchwork quilt of creativity. More than anything, I rely on her taste far beyond movies. I rely on her taste for all aspects of my businesses.
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That multidimensional creative output is something I can see in both of you. I'm excited for you to work together. I'm excited for Blake to crack open her creative piggy bank with someone as dynamic as you. This is going to be, all caps, INCREDIBLE! Oh my god. I mean, you guys, we are halfway through.
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and thank you for understanding what it means to me personally to have my family reunited as soon as possible nothing means means more to her either i can promise you we're hardwired for keeping our family together it's how to win us and also how to kill us when we can't we never split up i mean i actually think this is sweet no tino shade on a man that wants to be near his wife right
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He says, we never split up ever. It was a huge thing for us on this film. I tried to push our start date, but Marvel booked studios last July and X filming visits.
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Okay, it's very blurry, but he says, and I've been frantically smashing out my third pass of the script to address structural changes, but mostly to get our budget down and shorten the shoot so I can fly back with the girls when school starts.
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We see and appreciate that you already moved significantly to make it work with her schedule because of the film she'd already committed to, which thankfully she was able to gracefully punt. All this to say, I'd have your line producer's face tattooed to my perineum if he slash she slash they can figure out how to start two weeks earlier.
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Completely understand how big of an ass that is, but the perineum is one of the most nervy parts of the human body to expose to trauma. So dot, dot, dot. Looking forward to seeing you and thank you again for all you're doing. I happen to adore you, Justin XO. I happen to adore you.
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It's so manipulative. And it's just so heavy-handed and gross. It's gross. It's just also so Ryan Reynolds. Like, yeah. This man, like, literally is very one note.
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Yeah, I think with a lot of these mega celebrities, they have so many yes men around them that suddenly their behaviors and how they speak and the things they wear, it starts to all give emperor wears no clothes where it's just like it doesn't look good. It doesn't sound good. It's not funny. It's not funny.
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But because they have everyone, they have all their like court jesters around them constantly like tap dancing. I think that they just lose touch with like how they're actually perceived and become so unselfaware, which is why I think it's actually very interesting to read the way that Justin talks to Blake. And then you read how he talks about her.
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Like he sends her a message that's all cloying and like, I, you know, I'm so sorry. I did love what you, what you put into this and it's just going to be so incredible. And then he's talking to the producers or his fellow editors and he's just like,
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I noticed that as well. In all of his communication, I actually expected him to be venting more. He didn't vent at all. He didn't really vent at all. I mean, he kept it all very professional, I would say. I mean, you could tell he was frustrated. He was never demeaning to her, really, or cruel. You can almost tell this guy's like done a ton of therapy.
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like I feel like that's a great theory like she saw this as a franchise well it makes more sense than like they were falling in love or she was desperately in love with him you know that just seems far-fetched to me yeah and reductive exactly totally reductive and like this is what it's all of it you know it could only have been about her obsession with him and yeah Yeah.
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OK, I know we're at the end of our time with you. This has been so fun. I just have one final question that's kind of like, if that's OK. Yeah. It's been one of my Roman empires, which you know when you posted that Taylor Swift had had a marriage ceremony with Joe Alwyn?
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Where are we going with this? And Tree Payne was like, enough is enough with these fabricated lies about Taylor from Dumois. There was never a marriage ceremony of any kind. This is an insane thing to post. It's time for you to be held accountable for the pain and trauma these posts can cause. Have you ever heard from her legal team? What was the aftermath of that?
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Well, I think that something to your credit is you saying like, Hey, I got this message about Justin Baldoni, but I don't really want to read it because I don't know if it's true and I'm not going to put it out there. So it just goes to show that you are like really doing your best to be fair with what you publish and that you're not a liar. that that is important to you.
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So do moi, where can people find you? I mean, I'm sure they're like, who is do moi?
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Well, also, you're kind of already there. That was definitely a joke when I said, where can people find you? Because obviously, everyone knows Dumois. You have millions of followers. So you don't need to make shit up to get any further.
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We all need filled in story. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you so, so much. It's been so fun. Everyone go follow do more subscribe to the newsletter, download the app, and we will be back. Okay. We'll be back with part five tomorrow.
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I want to double tap on something you pointed out because I was in a similar struggle, like trying to figure out where everything went so wrong, you know, where it really started to end with us because it's It started off so good. And we have their text messages. We have so many literal receipts showing how everything started off on a great foot.
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And we even have new, more and more evidence, like Justin texting Ryan Reynolds at the very beginning of everything, just to sort of establish rapport. And yeah, I think that something I just feel totally confused by is like, okay, where was the moment where everything shifted for this?
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And why, you know, did the things really start to totally go south and then like doubles down and then you get into like post-production and things just totally spiral. So I think I want to discuss this because Our original theory when we read his lawsuit was that she wanted to take over complete control of the film. And she started off with the wardrobe.
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She started off with taking a pass at the script. And when it was clear, he wasn't going to just completely let her be the director. Our theory then was that that was when she kind of turned and was like, well, I'm just going to use these allegations as a way of getting everything I want. That was where we ended up.
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But then in the past week, the Internet's favorite commentator, Candace Owens, has hit the scene with a big theory. I never in my life did I think all of the pop apologist listeners would be like, girl, you got to go to Candace Owens stories like I was not on my vision board.
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But anyway, Candace Owens has come up with a theory, and that's that Ryan Reynolds, he went on set, he saw the dailies, was very freaked out by the visible chemistry between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. A source, one of her sources apparently said that they got into an audible fight in her trailer. And thereafter, he was constantly on set basically as a chaperone.
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And that this entire lawsuit, according to Candace, is Ryan Reynolds using the legal system to abuse his wife and get back at Justin Baldoni. Do where do you land on Candace's theory?
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Like she had a very strict criteria for what information she would release and what she would not. And I don't know. I feel like she knows her stuff. She absolutely knows her stuff. So fun to chat with. We get into kind of her thoughts on the case. She hasn't shared those before. We really dig into the voice memo between Justin and Blake and some of the Taylor Swift issues and all of that.
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on the time that they filmed the birthday scene so that's how i feel about that theory i don't i don't think it sounds true to me it's such an astute point because we have all of these text messages back and forth and i just thought of this as you were speaking but there would definitely be a message from justin baldoni to jamie heath that's like something happened after ryan came on set and he also would have mentioned like first we had to give her husband the dailies
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And he's not even involved in this movie at all.
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Yeah, and I think that when she revealed to... the journalist on the red carpet that he had had a key hand in writing the rewriting the rooftop scene i think that was a moment when they were all like what he did behind the scenes they fire off all these emails and that's kind of one of the only mentions of ryan reynolds in all of their communications it's all centered around blake lively so
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i agree i think that his pulling the strings was very behind the scenes and like i think this theory then sort of undercuts this idea like all of the text messages from blake where she's like wanting to talk about making creative passes the script and everything like if that was just like ryan reynolds behind the scenes telling her to hey you know Rewrite the rooftop scene.
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I actually think she truly wanted to put her spin on everything. Yeah. You know, I don't think this was just like she was just like a puppet for Ryan.
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What I will say about the dailies is I think that potentially where he could have seen their chemistry, if real chemistry, you know, existed between the two of them and there were actual feelings, was in maybe that like five hour playlist that Justin sent. Blake. So maybe Ryan wasn't seeing the dailies, you know, early on in production and filming.
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But then once Blake was sent things from Justin, Ryan could have seen it then and then brought the hammer down.
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That was during the strike. Yeah. But then things, you know, progress and go further and further south after that.
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Blake, the strike is when everything goes to shit. And she suddenly comes with a huge list of demands for them to return to production. That's when she was in. I believe she was in London with Ryan. They were together. And that's when she's, you know, wanting to look at the dailies or whatever. And then he said he's sending her. Justin is sending her that five hour playlist or whatever.
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We're getting into all the recent developments, everyone. So we're chatting the Candace Owens theory that Ryan Reynolds is a jealous husband, and this is all him using the legal system to both abuse his wife and ruin Justin Baldoni. We go through the Taylor Swift of it all, as you said. It's such a good episode. So... Please enjoy us getting into all the updates on Blake and Justin.
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And I think that that could have been a moment where Ryan saw things that he was like, uh, it's not cool with me.
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I think it's a very astute point because, you know, there is just something ultra personal about the way Ryan Reynolds has treated this entire situation with creating the nice pool character and going after and really bullying Justin Baldoni, who is in no way professionally a threat to him. Right. There's something weird there. So maybe he does feel threatened romantically by Justin Baldoni.
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Yeah, and I also am with you, too. I don't actually think Blake was into Justin. I don't think that there was this, like, and I don't think Justin was into Blake. I don't think there was this, like, kind of, like, brewing love connection, you know, that was just, like, palpable. I don't know. I'm not buying that. I think that it was respectful.
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And if you watch that scene that was released last week, the 10 minute long, you know, just raw cut of them dancing, their communication is like frog.
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You can tell that they're not like, you know, she's talking about how she thinks that they should just be talking the whole time, not actually kissing or canoodling. She says that that's what her and Ryan do. And then he's like, that's cute. And then she's like, I think it's more than cute. It's just like. These people are not on the same page.
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You guys, I think that you are making the mistake of inhabiting the minds of females as you view this. And you're like, they don't get along intellectually. They're not really connecting, you know, cerebrally. You guys, Justin Baldoni is hot as fucking shit. Ryan Reynolds saw that. I'm sorry, but it's literally that simple. You think he was just so hot?
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I got the chills struggling to find words when I saw... You're a married woman. I'm a married woman, but I got the chills when I saw Justin Baldoni and his... in that dancing scene. He's hot as hell. And I think that's all it took for Ryan Reynolds to get totally to get very jealous.
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And then we are chatting on part five about all the new pieces of information in the timeline. So the timeline was dropped by Brian Friedman on the new website, and we are getting into all the new pieces of information, walking you through all of it. It's a painstaking, huge episode. And it's all for premium subscribers.
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It's so funny that you say that because I had the exact same thought. I like, I used to think that him and Ryan Gosling were like neck and neck, like hot Ryan in Hollywood. And then I literally, this past week, I was like, was he just never that hot?
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I mean, it's literally shifted. It's a truly horrible conversation to have, but it's had about women all the time.
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It's fair. But honestly, it's just myth busts the idea that men age so much better. I mean, the same thing has happened to Bradley Cooper. It is just like, yes, there was like a tipping point. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like a tomato on the counter. All of a sudden it's over. Nice. We're going to really get the great YouTube comments with that one.
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No, but I also want to say, you guys, I think Ryan Reynolds' personality also kind of did him in a bit. Like, I think the internet got sick of the, we're so self-deprecating. We're going to hear our clapback Instagram captions for each other, you know, on our birthdays or whatever. I think that people got, like, kind of icked out by, like, the Ryan Reynolds shtick.
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I mean, his text message to Justin Baldoni is, like, pretty.
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Let me just say something, Blake. There's only one person who's ever suffered for your sins, okay? And it's not fucking Justin Baldoni. All right? You're not going to get a Garden of Gethsemane moment out of this guy, okay? You're not that powerful, bitch. Stand down. Well, well, well. We are back. Well, well, well. I feel like I am prisoner 24601.
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how Taylor Swift plays into all of this and the news that has come out about her feelings about all of this, which is pretty crazy because I feel like last week we discussed, you know, that some of the reports, some of the Daily Mail was a total farce, you know? Yeah, so DuMois said that they're still tight as ever.
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Yeah, because if you'll remember, there was that Daily Mail article that was like, Taylor Swift is taking a step back. And when we talked to DuMois, she was like, no, Daily Mail's not the trusted outlet for Taylor's team. Don't believe that. Yeah. So TMZ released a video and I found what they said to be extremely they were extremely convicted in their sources.
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And this is what they say is actually happening behind the scenes. So they say that Taylor is reportedly absolutely furious about the characterization of her as one of Blake's dragons. OK, like gorgeous monster as well. Taylor has cultivated and nurtured. Truly is a nice girl. She has a nice girl image. Did you see the video of her like tipping the Grammys workers at the stadium?
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I did not catch that. But yes, her image is not mean girl. It is in fact like the opposite of that. This is actually quite costly for her. Yeah, it's very damaging as Blake Lively has been one of her very public best friends to have that person then say like behind the scenes, she's actually, you know, terrifying bully and monster and someone who's ready to attack on Blake's behalf. Exactly.
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So they also say that she feels used, like deeply used. And what they say is that she had no idea Justin Baldoni was going to be there at the penthouse when she arrived. And she thinks Blake manipulated it.
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the situation so that she invited her over but knowing she would cross paths with justin to signal a message like hey this is my best right right and apparently this is according to tmz but taylor did not say anything about the rooftop scene all she said was i hope the movie goes well there was no like collusion between taylor and blake like hey when you come also say you got to put in blake's rooftop scene she did such a good job on the rewrite
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But what does that mean for Justin's side of things? Because Justin says in his messages to Blake, like, I would have complimented your pages or something like that without Taylor. Yeah, that's a good question. Because did he say that Taylor specifically praised Blake's rewrite? Yeah, I think he I think he basically does.
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I mean, I think that he says that, you know, he would have complimented or appreciated Blake's work. And he didn't need Taylor to join in on that Taylor and Ryan. And I just I think I could see a world where maybe Ryan brought up the rooftop scene. Yeah. And Taylor's like, oh, yeah, I read it. And it was so good. But I don't know. That part is fuzzy for me. It is a little fuzzy.
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So if anyone has the ring camera footage or whatever, the security footage of that meeting, we'd love to see it. Also, once again, I can't really see Taylor like she's in the middle of the era's tour, all this stuff. I can't really see her being like sitting down to read the rooftop scene. That to me feels like kind of far-fetched that I think she's actually like has the time to do that.
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I think Taylor would. Okay. I just don't think she has the time to scheme and conspire to arrive at the apartment to press her hand. To strategize. Right. Okay. Another thing that TMZ says, and this is where like I do think it's worth reporting on this because these are very specific nuggets, but they say that Blake told the actress who plays young Lily that Taylor had a hand in casting her.
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Okay. So one of the things that I think it's important to really kind of like go back and discuss is the WME sabotaging process.
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Oh, wow. And that she was Taylor's choice. And Taylor apparently had no clue about this casting decision, which would be a reason why that Isabelle Ferrer would be a legion to Blake. It's like, I want to be on the team with Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds, Taylor mother effing Swift, who chose me. I was hand selected by... Literally, Mother God. Exactly. That's super weird.
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Also, like, in what part of this production was Taylor ever involved in casting conversations? Like, wouldn't that have been like the Jamie Heath and Justin Baldoni side of things? That seems super weird to me. Also, in theory, Blake would not be involved in the casting decisions. Right. That's pretty crazy. And I would be so annoyed if I were Taylor and if half of this were true.
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I would just feel so used. Like, like TMZ said. So used. And just like my reputation, which I had just spent so much time being so careful about, had been really a wrecking ball had been taken to it overnight. And now Taylor and Tree, they have to pick up the pieces and rebuild. Right. Okay.
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But a source told Entertainment Tonight, which is what Dumas said, is Tree's preferred outlet that they are still friends, but she just wants to remain uninvolved. However, she was not at the Super Bowl. So, I mean, I think there might be distance happening on purpose. She might still consider Blake to be one of her friends.
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She could be feeling all of these things, you know, and still consider Blake to be someone she wants to keep in her life. But she wants to just be completely hands off. She's not coming to Blake's defense at all. She's not coming to Blake's defense. She's not doing a pat block. They're not getting via Corota together.
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I do think that there's a world where she's really upset with her, but in a way where it's like, I'm really upset with my friend. This is a lifelong friend. I know we'll get past this, but like, I might need a six month break from this person. Yeah. And also her career.
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Yes. Yes. And WME, for people who don't know, is like the talent agency. They basically rep everyone in Hollywood, anyone who's anyone. It was so funny when we had a viral moment with this whole Kate Middleton thing a year ago. They really came after us and they're like, we're emailing us really wanting, really wanting a meeting. Finally, like we did the meeting with them.
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It's not like they're both just like A-listers and it's there is there are stakes to to Taylor like publicly coming to Blake's defense. Of course. Yes. You know that she has to be aware of. And that's just like the nature of two A-listers being friends. It's interesting. Meghan Markle asked Taylor Swift to come on her podcast. Yeah. And she did not.
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And I do think that Taylor obviously is very strategic about not getting in controversial waters. You know, she likes to not be a part of controversial narratives. Totally. There's this TikTok creator who's been doing an amazing job deep diving all of this. His handle is BeBetterCompany. And anyway... It's very fascinating because some very suspicious things have happened to some of his videos.
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Well, one of his videos. So he put out a video and he said he had inside information on something that was going to happen in Blake and Ryan's case. And then the video was removed in the United States, which just goes to show that Blake and Ryan, what he says is that they have connections with TikTok US. Yeah. That they can... in theory, get content removed that they say should be removed.
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And do we know anything about what that alleged information was? We do. Okay, please share.
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Wow, wow, wow, wow. Is that not wild? So that to me is total tea, first of all, because we have been dying for, you know, anything from these other cast members, from Jenny Slate most of all, maybe. Right, exactly. We've been dying for, like, third-party information, witnesses, what did you guys see?
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And if that is their strategy to add other female members of the cast, and if they can convince them to join as plaintiffs... I just think that this could ramp up. This is like I almost feel like we're talking about like nuclear buttons here. If Jenny Slate has had negative experiences with Justin Baldoni of a sexual harassment nature, this whole case unravels. Right. And the whole thing.
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Yeah, it is nuclear. It literally unravels and we will atone. It will absolutely unravel. I did not get, though, that she felt sexually harassed by him. I got that she just, like, something was weird or uncomfortable, and maybe that was, like, the woo-woo stuff. Yeah. Or, I mean, he also made that comment about her nose. Yes. Like, maybe she didn't like the guy. Right. Totally.
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You know, but I think it is... I don't know. It's hard to say, you know, just because she doesn't want to come forward, it doesn't mean that nothing happened. Right. But it's very interesting that she's now like, I would like to not be a part of this. And if they're going to subpoena her, like, that's going to be crazy.
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And then like a few weeks later, we basically just got the message like that. You actually are not the star. You're not good enough. You know what? Thanks so much for the meeting, but not quite yet. Exactly. Keep doing what you're doing. Exactly. But we do have to talk about people who are stars enough to be part of WME's esteemed canon of artists or catalog or whatever you want to say.
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I also think it would be wild if, let's just say, she was offended about the nose comment. Or she was offended about something that he said that just rubbed her the wrong way. But it wasn't a sexual harassment situation. And they're like... Hey, maybe we can just kind of like amp up your feelings here. Right. Which is what really everyone's kind of theory is about what Ryan did to Blake. Totally.
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Which is basically like kind of, there's a lot of people who think Ryan just gaslit Blake into feeling sexually harassed by Jessica. Right. Okay. We need to move on though. Which. So much to get to. I think, and this is a little bit out of order, but I think we need to talk about Kagan entering the chat. Yeah. Okay. So my husband is. His name is Kagan. His name is Kagan. He's my wonderful husband.
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And he is not into celebrity stuff. He is not tuned into this at all. He does not is not his cup of tea whatsoever. He got served a reel, though, which I'm going to play. And then I want to share with you guys what he said about it. From a male's brain and perspective, I do think it's very interesting. Yes. And I love that Kagan is helping the family business by weighing in here.
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Finally working on the proverbial family pop culture farm. So this is the clip from the chicks in the office that Kagan sent me that he got served. He better not be a chicks in the office listener. Oh, yeah. If he is, hell to pay. Hell to pay. Divorce court. Doghouse.
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So this is what Kagan says. He says, he sends you that reel. He sends me that reel. And he said, I think that's all you need to know. Her husband is on a revenge tour. It makes total sense. And I said, you really think Ryan saw that text and thought she was kind of into him? And Kagan says, is that text real? And I'm like, yes. And he's like, then, yes, all hell broke loose. And I'm like, wow.
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He says, I've spent little time on this topic, but I've seen enough now. And I do think it's like so funny. Like, imagine Chandler. Imagine you're married. And you send to another man about how your flirty love language is about being ball busty and yummy, but never with tea. Well, it's just it's a flirty text. I think it's like a I'm flirting with you by showing you this is the girl that I am.
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But it's also sexual. And it is sexual, yeah. I think that we, honestly, our conservative woman upbringing, sometimes we're a little sheltered. And we're like, she just meant it's not biting. It's not mean. I know. That is kind of one of my brain things. Yes, that's where our brain grows. But I honestly think, like, people that are a little more realistic see it for what it is.
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And I think there is plenty of text messages from her to him that are flirty. You know, that are dripping with, I'm such a cool, sexy girl. Right. And don't you want to infuse me into Lily?
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Yes. And I think that, you know, as we've said, like there could have been a part of her that's like, what the fuck? Why is he not into me? Into me? Yeah. Why is he not into me as allegedly Ben Affleck was, you know, and Ben Affleck was that was apparently the reason that Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck broke up.
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And that is Justin Baldoni at one point, Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively, who are currently with WME. So we all remember how Ryan Reynolds said to a colleague at an industry event that why is WME repping a sexual predator? A sexual predator. Referring to Justin Baldoni. Which is like, I think... That's a fucking crazy thing to accuse somebody of.
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Why is he not into me like Ryan was, you know, like when he was married to Scarlett on the set of Green Lantern? I think that could be a very real thing that happened. We need to talk about the fake paparazzi stunt. Oh my gosh. I had no clue about this. I mean, it's just so crazy. This one is like a little bit more far-fetched, but I also could see it fully being true. I think it's true.
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So apparently... Ryan Reynolds and team decided that they wanted to get in the press, that he's still beloved, that people still love him. And so he was just pictured walking into a random building and there were all these fans outside with the same like with these photos strapped to cardboard for him to sign. Also, everyone, these are not just 8x10 or whatever regular copy paper photos.
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These are larger. It was just a very odd piece of paper for everyone to be holding. It felt very like, here's a big movie poster. Sign this. Also, everyone... Autographs are a thing of the past. I was just going to say, we all remember, comma, comma, comma. None of those bitches had huge cardboard cutouts or pictures of Anne Hathaway with markers for her to sign.
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It's all iPhone, take a selfie with me. That's what people want. And I think if this was fake, I think... autographs are a little bit more like, I love you, I want a piece of you, versus a photo. Because someone could take a photo with Ryan Reynolds and be like, photo with the most hated man on the internet. Completely. Right, that's a good point. Also, apparently...
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what a lot of these people who want these autographs are, it's just a business. So they'll figure out where a celebrity is going for a major event. They'll be there for the autograph and then they'll like sell it on eBay. So most celebrities don't even like indulge this at all. They just walk right past it. So this entire like alleged setup by his team that he's just like still so sought after is,
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It's just hilarious. It's hilarious. Also, it's not even like there's like a recent movie with him or I don't know. It just feels super weird that it's like right now all these there's all this like the Deadpool fans are out are out and about. It reminds me, though, like didn't Courtney have like a sign what she thought was a real sign poster from Prince William like in her bedroom growing up?
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Oh, I think she did. Bless her. Bless her. Bless her little heart. And if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify or if you're watching this on video, we're going to have that alleged fake stunt for you to see with your own eyes and make your own judgment. Yes.
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We're obviously big fans of Juicy Scoop. We love Heather McDonald. Actually going to her live show in New York on Friday. So excited. Can't wait. But what she says, she thinks that the only way for Blake to get out of this is to divorce Ryan and just say like, I never wanted any part of this. Like it was his idea. I went along with it. Apologize.
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I think it's like, you know, a creep or like, I don't know, but a sexual predator is just like very intense language. It is indeed. And what we also did not know is that he called Justin a deranged predator on July 15th to another WME agent. This is according to the timeline and said that he should not attend the premiere, said that they did not want that deranged predator at the premiere and
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But like the only way to get her career back is to divorce her husband. Yeah, I don't see any world where sticking by Ryan's side does her any good. Mm-hmm. So that is, yeah, very astute. And she also said what we kind of all think, which is just that they thought that when they filed the complaint that essentially they would just be able to easily ruin Justin Baldoni's life. Mm-hmm.
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And that would be utterly devastating for him and his family and his children. But a blip on their radar screen and they just keep moving on, having usurped the film. Literally, you got to crack a lot of eggs to make an omelet. Exactly. And little did they know. Are you going to take the omelet joke somewhere else because I'm ready for it?
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I was going to, like, little did they know flying pants would go flying. Little did they know this frittata would explode or something like that. Anyway, thanks, everyone, for bearing with us through that. Okay. So another piece of this that I would love to get into is what Harvey said on the new TMZ podcast, Two Angry Men.
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So he was talking to Mark Garagos, and they were just discussing this case in general. And a few things that are interesting that I did not know. First, this will not be televised. The trial will not be televised. It's a federal trial. Okay. It is not a state trial. And the reason why we got the video of Gwyneth's trial and of Johnny Depp's trial is because one was in Utah and one was in Virginia.
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But this is a federal trial, so it will not be televised. But what they say, there's just no way this will actually go to court because if it goes to court, that means that Blake Lively can be deposed and apparently being deposed in a federal case means It means that you sit in front of an adversary attorney and you basically, they can ask you anything. Brian Friedman can ask her anything.
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Anything under the sun. And there's no judge to sustain objections. Like the only thing that she won't have to answer is if it's something that's attorney-client privilege. Right. Why? Why is that? Do you know? I think maybe federal cases are just like more serious. Intense. Yeah.
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And if it's big enough to where you are getting deposed, like you don't get like a lot of those protections or something.
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You always get deposed in a federal case, right? Like that's part of the discovery process. It's part of like building the case. And deposed in like any case, like any deposition is just a part of any type of lawsuit. Right. But what's specific about a federal deposition is that you sit in front of that attorney, that attorney can ask you anything and it's on camera. And the
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only i thought it's not on camera no the deposition but it's not televised it's not televised but it is on camera and so i think that's why we got like we have like trump's deposition right you know those youtube videos yes like we would see blake lively's deposition and what would be so crazy is there would just be no objections other than attorney client privilege so the only thing that they could not ask her is what did you tell your attorney yeah right
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Right. And other than that, it's like free reign, free reign. And that would be incredibly damning for Blake. I mean, we already have seen Brian Friedman's prowess. Imagine him deposing her. Imagine you're getting a little riled up. I'm even getting anxious over that because a great attorney, they know how to trap people. I don't think Blake Lively would be able to escape his abilities.
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Would the same then be true for Justin from Blake's attorney? Yeah. Blake's attorney could fully depose Justin. Right. So basically what they're saying on this TMZ episode is just like, nobody wants that. No. Nobody wants that. Neither side wants that. But I think especially Blake's side, I think that they actually do want to go to trial. I think that on Justin's side, they do.
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Their ultimate goal is his vindication. And I think they believe that Justin could stand to be deposed. They believe that he'd have no problem answering questions sincerely. Right. Right. He's got the medical intuitive, you know, medical intuitive. Yeah, that's what that's what their name is. Yeah, it's true. And she's been talking to world leaders. She's been talking to world leaders.
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And he expressed deep disdain for him. And it was a few months later that Justin gets dropped by WME. So and also just to ground everybody, we are still reading from the timeline that was launched by Brian Friedman, Justin Baldoni's lawyer. We're bouncing. We have news pieces of information. We have commentary from other people I want to get into. We're kind of bouncing around.
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They have a connection. Yeah. He's talking to Blake's dead father. I think he's got a few more tricks up his sleeve.
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in a deposition in a federal deposition than Blake would this is a breathless episode everyone sorry there's just so much to get into they also say that there's just so much money at stake for the studios it would just be absolutely insane it's just way too big to go to trial they also say that Blake Lively not only herself doesn't want to get deposed but if this goes to trial guess who else gets deposed Taylor Swift gets deposed yeah by Brian Friedman we cannot let that happen to our girl
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Not because I think she did something wrong. It's just like, she doesn't need that. She doesn't need that. She's in her season. She should be enjoying Travis. She should be in Kansas City. Yes. At the pool. At the pool. At the McMansion mansion. I don't know. But she, you know, she just needs to be living a quiet, simple life in Kansas City right now with Travis. Exactly.
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Wait, she does not need this looming. Side note, did Travis get hair plugs? What's interesting is everyone says that, but his hairline looked full. It just looked buzzed before. Right, right. And to me, it just looked like it had grown out. It had grown out, yeah. More on that later. We'll cover that in another episode. But he looks good.
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Hair plugs, the way hair plugs work that I'm aware of, it's not like they just, like, take hair, like, from a wig, basically, and just stick it on. Right, right. They, like... Transplant follicles. So then your hairline changes. Your hairline changes and it has to grow in. Correct. So to me, it just looked like his hair grew in. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we can get into more of that later. Yes.
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Thank you for bringing up that very important matter, Chandler. I was confused. I was curious. And if he did, love and light looks great. Oh, absolutely. Another thing I think that is important to know is that Brian Friedman said that this for them is not even about money. It's about saving Justin's life. It's about his vindication.
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And what they're saying is that they know that they're like trapped. They know money. that everyone knows the truth here. And so the only way to get this to end without going to trial is for Justin to be vindicated. So Blake and Ryan are going to have to do something where they make it clear that these allegations were false and they clear Justin's name in the court of public opinion.
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What would that even be? I mean, are they sitting down with Diane Sawyer? Are they? I think that they are going to get in a 15 minute Uber from their Tribeca apartment and sit down with the pop apologists at our studio in Midtown. We will have you with WTF Media Studios. Thank you, everyone. We will have you or they can come over to our apartment even better.
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And bring Taylor and we're going to talk about all of it. Yeah, we'll get into it. Remy, will you? Remy's our wonderful engineer. Remy, will you be there? Yeah. Perfect. All right, you guys, sorry if that seemed a little bit frantic, but we're obsessed with this case. We can't stop. We can't stop. And we won't stop. We won't stop. We will be here every step of the way holding your hand.
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We're bouncing, but this part in particular is from the timeline. Correct. So, okay. So Ryan is shit-talking Justin, calling him a deranged predator, calling him a sexual predator. This is in July. And then Ryan and Blake go to WME. This is before they have dropped him, which will come in December. But they go to WME on August 12th.
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And they say that they are furious for the way that Wayfarer and Justin are positioning them as promoting the film as a, quote, Barbie film. While elevating Justin to speak on the more serious messaging, Ryan and Blake demanded that Wayfarer release a statement of contrition. taking accountability for the negative press toward Blake and Ryan.
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They warned WME that absent compliance, quote, the gloves will come off. So I think we should read the statement of contrition that they wanted Justin and Wayfair to release. Really quick. Basically, though, Blake and Ryan are upset because like the way that they're promoting the movie looks unserious. Exactly. Yeah.
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In the Blake versus Justin experience, because I did not think we were going to need a part six. It continues to amaze me that new information is coming out and that this saga continues to unfold. When Blake's floral outfit explosion extravaganza happened, we didn't know we were stealing a piece of bread from a priest. Right. Or whatever it was that Jean Valjean did.
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They're upset in the way that I think everyone is like responding to Blake's promotion. And so they want WME to, I guess, do some damage control and force Justin to essentially put out this bullshit statement. So it looks like it's actually his fault that there's bad press. Right. Right.
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And I think, too, they're like using the fact that they're both repped by WME to like strong arm the agency into, you know, forcing Justin to do something. Right. OK, so so do you want me to read the statement or do you want to please read it? OK, so this is the statement that Blake and Ryan drafted for Justin, Jamie Heath and Wayfair to release.
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It was never released, obviously, but this is what they wanted Justin to say. Quote, it ends with us was a troubled production, which we take full accountability for. We are very sorry to everyone we caused upset to privately and publicly. Blake Lively, Colleen Hoover, the entire cast and crew led with professionalism every step of the way. Any negativity aimed at them is ours to own.
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We mutually agreed that the cast would be promoting the film separately and understood why. We have always said we are not perfect, and even if we have unintentionally made mistakes, we will always own them. We hold ourselves accountable. It's not anyone's job but ours, and that's part of being, quote, man enough." We will practice what we preach. We are learning and growing from the experience.
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And we thank everyone for their patience as we find a better way to proceed. We are very proud of the film and the welcome arms that it's been received with. Part of our work is to have uncomfortable conversations for public growth. The film is doing that on screen and we are doing that off screen.
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Thank you to the cast and crew and public for the opportunity to be imperfect and to be given the space to learn and grow with humanity and dedication. Hallelujah and amen. Okay. Oh, my God. I am floored by that. My biggest issue and the thing that is the most insane is the part where it says we take full accountability for any bad press. Yeah.
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Wayfarer is not telling Blake to be like a bitch in interviews. No, there's no reason why Justin Baldoni, Wayfarer and Jamie Heath should be putting out a statement that says any bad press is ours to own. And Blake Lively has conducted herself with ultimate professionalism.
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I know, actually, Blake Lively was not handed a script by Justin and Wayfair saying that when you go into interviews, you should be snarky. You should, you know, use the wrong tone when talking about a movie about domestic violence. Like, it's beyond comprehension. Let me just say something, Blake. There's only one person who's ever suffered for your sins, okay?
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And it's not fucking Justin Baldoni. All right? You're not going to get a Garden of Gethsemane moment out of this guy, okay? You're not that powerful, bitch. Stand the fuck down. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We were raised religious. You can't tell. Okay. So no, Justin refuses to have his own walk on the road to Calvary. And that is when he essentially lawyers up.
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So there's a text exchange between Jennifer Abel and Melissa Nathan. And Jennifer Abel says, Melissa Nathan says, Call me if you can. This will be a career killer for them and Wayfair. They have to fight it. Jennifer says this is so crazy. Melissa says they have to lawyer up now. Honestly, I've never had anything like it. Can we please hire him a lawyer? Jennifer says he needs to.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
He has one, but he needs a litigator. And then Melissa Nathan says get Brian Friedman. He's waiting and will also take on WME. I mean, Brian Friedman.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
is incredible i don't really know much about brian friedman pre-justin baldoni like i know that he's a hollywood lawyer guy and i know he represented somebody else famous that i that would jog my memory but i mean yeah his whole strategy throughout this pr nightmare and legal drama has been crazy i mean even just the fact that the website was launched prior to the judge's order to you know not have either side speak about things was so smart
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
And we would be in a state of, it ends with us fucking purgatory. Purgatory. Shackles. Like, I just feel like my brain right now, it's like my wedding, my bachelorette, my own life, my job. And then it's Blake and Justin. And I, you know, I'm excited to record this, but I'm also just kind of in shock that we still have new information. And so there's stuff to get into.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
Well, I think that that's one of the great things about being an attorney. Not that I am one, but an attorney really is almost like a police officer. It's like someone when you are in dire need and like one of the worst things that could ever happen to you is about to happen to you. That is someone who is an officer. Right. Yeah.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
I'm sorry, but Brian Friedman, this has been a masterclass in defending a client. Yeah. And I think mobilizing evidence and getting it into the hands of the public so they can make their own conclusions, which they clearly have. Right. Exactly. OK, so let's get back to more developments. I mean, wow. What a banger is that statement? That is so crazy. Come out.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
We know how they were able to just did they just say, no, we're not saying that. Yeah, and they refused.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
So the ante gets upped in every way. Okay, everyone, I hope you're enjoying this episode, but a brief announcement. We have a very exciting subscriber episode for our global elites this week. We are debriefing Chandler's Bachelorette to St. Bart's. And we have none other than the global elite, Courtney Groh, our dear sister joining us.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
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260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
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Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
The other thing that we haven't really touched on is the fact that the New York Times was given Blake's complaint before it was legally filed. And what that really shows is that there was this collusion, right? Collusion. So like basically they were working together behind the scenes to orchestrate this moment.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
They were in bed together as they as you know, as the euphemism goes, they were in bed together for all intents and purposes, but not literally. But it was like a situation where it wasn't like Blake filed this legal complaint and, you know, did it in the formal way and then handed it to the New York Times. It was like, I'm filing this complaint. I'm giving you the heads up.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
We are working together to make sure that our stories are straight. Exactly. And I was confused, too, when I first saw this because I'm like, what does this mean? But no, that's exactly what it is. It's not like she filed the complaint and then a journalist was like, oh, my gosh, Blake Liley filed this. What's happening?
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
It's like, no, they had all the information allegedly, according to the Internet sleuth, well before it was filed. That way they could prepare the article and all the content. I mean, we know how much work content takes. Sure. So they could be ready to drop information. All the content, the reels, the social media assets, the article, they could drop it the same day.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
Without further ado, everyone, what we want to do is go through all of the developments, the things that have happened, the news pieces, just tie up some loose ends that we didn't get to in part five. Yeah. That way, we can just make sure we wrap a bow on part six and then maybe take a beat on this. We'll see.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
That way they could blast Justin Baldoni immediately. Which I think undermines like the idea of the journalism behind it. It's a hit piece. Exactly. So this is a quote from Brian Friedman. In a statement to Variety, he says, this fresh evidence corroborates what we knew all along, that due to purely egotistical reasons, Ms.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
Lively and her entire team colluded for months to destroy reputations through a complex web of lies, false accusations, and the manipulation of illicitly received communications. Wow. Okay, so now we need to get to the hearing. The hearing like present day. So on February 3rd, there was the preliminary court hearing. This was just a few days ago.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
And as we all know, Blake's attorney requested that Brian Friedman be given a gag order so he can also stop going on TMZ and stop talking to Entertainment Tonight and stop talking to Variety and stop trying to muddy the jury pool. Yeah. And they also requested that Brian Friedman not depose Blake Lively. So that is a very apparently a very unique request from.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
You're generally not allowed to say like, oh, I'm sorry, but I just won't be deposed by the other side's primary counsel. Yeah. So the outcome of the hearing is that the judge did not grant the gag order, but he did impose the Empire State Rule on both parties. Cue the Jay-Z song. Like, what is that? What is the Empire State Rule?
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
The Empire State Rule basically means that neither side is supposed to talk to the press about this. So what's the difference between that and a gag order? I think the gag order would have been a clear win for Blake Lively's side, and it's like Brian Friedman needs to shut the fuck up. Yeah, got it. But what this is, and this is what judges are supposed to do, right?
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
They're supposed to be fair to both sides. So instead, his ruling is, no, I'm not going to give Brian Friedman a gag order. I'm going to instruct both sides to not talk to the press. Because in theory, if he had agreed to the gag order or like, you know, and stated it, then Blake Lively could have still talked. Right. Got it. Her team could have still talked. Exactly.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
So it is truly, I think, such a stroke of luck for us, the Internet Humanity, Justin Baldoni, that they did drop that website before this hearing. Right now, I'm also I'm being judged Lyman as the scales of justice. Yes. Like fair to both sides. Lady Justice. I don't know. It's this thing. A visualization is so important. So thank you. That was beautiful.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
So February 5th, two days after the hearing, another lawsuit is dropped on Blake. And this is from Jed Wallace, who is a crisis PR executive. So he is suing Blake for defamation after she named him in her December civil rights complaint. She alleges that Jed led a digital strategy to amplify social media posts in Justin's favor as part of an online smear campaign against her.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
Basically, I think she said that he was like behind all the bots, you know, or all the digital accounts, all the hate comments online. So he filed a $7 million defamation lawsuit claiming that Blake falsely accused him. Yeah. And he says he had nothing to do with it. Yeah.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
So he filed a $7 million defamation lawsuit claiming Blake falsely accused him of involvement in a retaliatory campaign and that, you know, no contract ever existed between them. I think what he's saying is between himself and Justin's team. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. OK, so just had to touch on that. Give Jed Wallace his moment on our series. Yeah.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
Potentially not, because apparently she is filing an amended complaint of her own on, Chandler, February 17th, which is just five days. Five days. So I guess, no, there's no break. There's no break. Also, everyone, I have jury duty starting tomorrow. So you're going to be working the weekend. I'm going to be working the weekends. We don't need any more intro. Let's get into it. Let's get into it.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
I also just think on this Jed Wallace thing, it just goes to show the lack of scruples. It's like scruples. Speak more on that. I don't know what scruples mean. Morality, integrity. It's like, oh, we're just going to throw in this guy as a defendant. We're going to accuse him of launching bots against us. And we don't really care if it's true or not. Yeah.
Pop Apologists
260: BLAKE LIVELY vs. JUSTIN BALDONI PT. 6! How it will end.
We're just going to do it because we're powerful. It's just kind of like everyone in the kitchen sink. Exactly. OK, now I believe it is important that we discuss.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
All right. Well, I'm Lauren. Me and Lex met, I want to say, what was that, 20? It was definitely before BBL.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
It had to have been. Okay, we met 2014 through a mutual friend. Shout out, Jazz.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
We both worked at the strip club together. I got fired. And so, Lex... I was low-key your replacement. She was really my replacement. And so, from that, everybody would be like, oh, you need to meet Lex. Like, y'all would get along so well. So, one of our mutual friends ended up introducing us. And from there, we were like peas in a pod. Like, we literally were inseparable just from that.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I remember her. She just wasn't a clean person. I found rolled up dollar bills with substances in it, drawers, all types of stuff. Crunchy ones? Crunchy ones, for sure. That's... But, yeah, definitely wasn't a clean person. And I can say for me, like, it's just a deal breaker because I feel like you got to be clean.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I mean, I have, but I'm one to, like, I don't like having dishes in the sink. Yeah. So it's like I may be tired, lit, you know, go to sleep, but the next day, I'm going to get the dishes out. Like, you eat in there for days and days. It's kind of crazy. I got to get it out.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I don't like my... Well, it's really not... I would say hair. Like, I don't really like hair in between my toes and stuff like that. So, like, I'm a sweeper. I'm going to sweep. You're going to sweep every day. Allie is the same way.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Lauren Hanson. Thank you, y'all. Thank you. I've been trying to do what I can do when I can do it.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Is this a color? Like a painted color nail? Or is it just I got a manicure and my nails are clean?
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
But what do y'all think? What do y'all feel? I mean, if it's just like a clear coat and you just keeping up with maintenance, you know what I mean? I'm fine with it. Now, I don't know if colored nails is my thing. I just would prefer my man to not have polish on his nails. And no shade to anybody who does have it. But me personally, no. I'm cool with a cool manicure, but colored nails, no. No?
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Right. The only positive thing I can say about it is that sometimes watching Kevin Samuels and stuff, it's like, damn, this is the perspective that men have?
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
So it kind of puts things into like... Like I snap into reality like, damn, you know... this is how people, or men, view us. Yeah. You know, I definitely take no, but, like I said, I still would judge, but I do kind of pick up a few things, like, okay, well, this is wild.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Alise! Bitch, no, because if I know it's a situation ship, bitch, I leave it there.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I mean, for me, it really doesn't matter. Like, of course, I would like to spend time with my man on Valentine's Day, but I'm all for a good girl's night on Valentine's Day, too. Or if it's, like, before Valentine's Day, I get to experience my girls, but then Valentine's Day, it's me and mine. So, I'm fine with both of them, personally. Okay. What you think, Elise?
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Lies. I hosted a Galentine's. But you weren't in town. It was me, Jazz Katie.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
For sure. Ain't nothing wrong with that. I like both of them, though. Both of them is fine with me.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
What y'all think? But, yeah, I'm with Lynn. Like, I feel like it's one day for you to be, like, extremely sexual and just... Really get into it. Show out. I mean, I like to show out all the time, whether it's Valentine's Day or not. But, I mean, that is one day to kind of, like, you know, turn it up a notch. Pull out your best tricks. Mm-hmm. Elise?
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Yeah, yeah. I was really open-minded. Like, I kind of just wanted to see where things would go. Yeah. So, as you guys progressed, I'm like, damn, they really about to be all here with it, you know? Yeah. So, for me, I can say that, like, I was always excited, and I felt like you guys balance each other out. So, it was always going to work.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
You know, you guys just needed that platform to get where y'all needed to be. So, for me, I'm just excited to see y'all. Y'all are doing a great job. Oh, thank you. It's been a pleasure to watch y'all from the beginning up until now.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Larry June. and the chains I've been, it's really my bop. I just really fuck with the vibe of the record. I don't really have, like, an extensive meaning behind it or whatever, but I've really been fucking with that. Is this new? It's new. Okay. I love some Larry's.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
They have, like, a joint album that they're doing together. Oh. I didn't know that. Yeah. Okay. I want to save the single, so.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
I like Pookie's Requiem better. Yeah. If I said that right.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
So, I like her first single. Her first single. This one is cool, but I just like that one better.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
He's with his wife. Yeah, having the greatest grand old time. What's the status of their relationship? I think I missed that part. She didn't say, really.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
He don't give a damn. Right, that's what I'm saying. And I'm sorry, friend. I hate to be so harsh because I want to be gentle because I know this is fucking with you. But, you know, you got to call a spader.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Mm-mm. I'm public, so shit, I be posting everything. But it started off... But you were just close friends. Well, we started off like close friends for sure, but then it was just kind of... Yeah.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Like, it definitely feels good to know that you comfortable, you know, showing me off to people. So...
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
He is not in my close friends, but I really haven't posted anything, though. I haven't posted anything. Yes.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Are you an engineer? We literally do got a studio right there. So you really know how to, like...
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Girl. Girl. not to be. Don't you be ashamed to say, I'm your girl.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
a first impression because I don't know, you guys had, or I guess our friend Jazz had came to Atlanta. So I'd only heard about, you know. That was a disaster of a trip. From what I heard, it was a disaster. And so I never really got to have a first impression because I feel like people were already telling me like their impressions of Drea.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
So for me, it was like, okay, let me just meet her to see because God damn, y'all laying it on thick. So once I actually met her, In comparison to what everybody was saying, she was the complete opposite with me. Like, it was literally always nice, always welcoming. So for me, my first impression just without everybody else's say, I don't have anything negative to say.
Pour Minds Podcast
Where My Gurls At? FT. Our Besties
Like, it was just like, we literally clicked. We were cool. And I didn't really get to see a side or the side that I feel like everybody else had kind of. Yeah. That trip was a mess.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
I'm not letting nobody else call me that. I'm letting my mood... What you gonna do if they do? They gonna start laughing at your ass because ain't nobody gonna be scared. You gonna tap your feet like this. It's gonna distract them.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
They be like any moment I could get discovered because they don't know who around.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
I got a few Bubba Sparks. How do you know that? I got a few Bubba Sparks tracks in my pocket, bro.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
Because we bonded in here, all right? So for this one, you can do any spirit of choice. You can keep it a mocktail or make it into a cocktail. I've added some passion fruit. We have a little bit of grapefruit, a little bit of lemon. I made a basil honey, a little bit of ginger beer, and then I used honey mango. Mm-hmm.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
I agree. Because I feel like if I have to look at you and be like... Are you sure you can say that?
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
I'm letting my mood... What you gonna do if they do? They gonna start laughing at your ass because ain't nobody gonna be scared. You gonna tap your feet like this. It's gonna distract them.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
I'm coming from the side and doing that? You ain't no rider, dog. They called you that. If anything, I'm going to tap my feet.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
Dr. Omar, say that. A thousand lashes. I will give you a thousand lashes because you be saying it. That's why they probably thought they could say it to you. They ain't never heard me say it. You done said it on poor minds. You have said the hard ER. I will go find the clue. Don't y'all go find that clue. And I'm going to get Javi to insert it. Javi, insert it right here.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
I felt it. Because what made him go in the studio that day and say... And I'm back to hold you down.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
He said, because I'm back. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sir. Because he wanted you to feel it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, what are we doing here? You felt it, though.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
I'm not coming from the side and doing that. You ain't no rider, dog. They called you that. If anything, I'm going to tap my feet.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
You do. You be like, hi, my name is Lex P. What? Lex P. Who? No, we don't. Slim Shady. Oh, no respect. Does anybody know?
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
No, don't say that. I think she does. Don't say that. I'll get pissed off. I think she did. I think she did. You low-key. I think so, too. I know, too. Yeah. She bringing my boy to me. And you from Chicago. Dang it. She can't go a day without bringing this man up. You need to become his pen pal. Toraya!
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
It be lingering. The fish fry is not what you want to smell like.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
Do they not? Girl, no. There's nothing. So, at the end of the day, if you touch it, you deserve to get burned. That is not what he was talking about. That is what he was talking about.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
That's what he said on the song. I'm listening. He said, this a letter for my dogs. How we let this money get between us. How we let these bitches get between us.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
And why you trying to be funny? That was my best friend cousin. Like, for real.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
She was so proud. She was in that. I don't know. She was so thick. She was very thick for the time. Yes.
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
these days that's what i'm saying back in the day like people were unique looking like when i popped out that pool i was unique looking okay i was i was very unique oh my god you really came up out there talking about something
Pour Minds Podcast
This Is My Moment
And you see how you be talking about you don't be lying no more. That man was playing the flute.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
No, the whole time the kids were at Al's house. Jenny told me, go pick up some more beer from Al's and bring it back. before you go to the store. And we went to Al's house and I grabbed the beers. And we had seven or eight.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
I didn't have any. They didn't have any. She, Al had said that she had some before.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
And I don't really know. And she had some at her house too. And she drank a couple of them for the first like hour and a half or whatnot. We went to return all the bottles that she had. I mean, she had some in her shed, she had on her sink, she had them all over the house. So we were trying to clear the clutter, make some money for garbage bags, like bulbs, water,
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
because her pipes were frozen, so we could heat it up or wash whatever. And so we went to the store, we came back, and we just continued to clean.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
Yeah, all alone. Like I said, we had forgotten to bring her that beer, so she was really happy when we got back because she had her beer again. She's like, I'm going to sit and make sure you get some. We brought her some more beer. And at that time, we just finished up cleaning. Jessica was... getting lazy, playing with the dogs or whatever.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
And then me and Russell were in the girls' bedroom, finishing out vacuuming and stuff. And then I went and did the bathroom myself. Me and Russell did the back bedroom. And Jenny was doing the kitchen and the dishes and stuff, trying to get everything out of the kitchen.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
Jessica might know, because I know Jenny was afraid that Jessica was going to call the CPS because of something that she said, which I don't know what she said. I have no idea. She's like, she's like, you know, they're going to call her, you know, they probably think I'm, you know, horrible and all this stuff. And I don't know.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
Yeah. She was afraid Russell and Jessica were going to call too. I said, why would they do that when they were here helping us, you know? And. she was afraid that they were going to do something too. So I'm like, I don't know.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
No. In fact, in the car when we were going to Al's house and I told her that she was afraid, she told me not to tell you guys, but I was like, you're not going to call CPS, right? And Jessica was like, no, you know, I'm taking away from my mom too, you know. She's like, you know, I got taken away from my mom too, and, you know, I would never do that to you. You know, I want to help these kids.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
Mm-hmm, to pick up the girls. She was telling me this stuff. And Jenny had told me right before we left, like, they were getting in the car. And she was like, just make sure they don't call Lauren. And I think she was really fearful that they would call.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
We left to go get the girls. And I helped them start getting ready. And all of a sudden, Jenny showed up. How did she get there? She ran. It's two streets away. And she thought, that's kind of weird to me because she thought we left a cell phone there, which I asked her if that cell phone twice was hers because I knew she lost hers. But I know she had a Boost Mobile and this was a Motorola.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
In fact, the phone is in my car right now. But I said, you know, I don't know. where that phone came from. And she's like, I was like, I moved it. I put it on the end table like three times. And I even asked you if it was yours. And she's like, oh, okay, yeah. But why would she went over there? She knew we were coming right back. It's possible. I didn't turn it on or anything.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
It doesn't turn on, but I'm sure it works. But it just seemed, it struck me as odd that she would run all the way over there, even though we were taking the kids back there. You know what I'm saying?
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
So I think that she was even fearful at that time that I would try to take the kids and, um, which I don't understand, but whatever. So we, Jenny got in the back and I have a, the third row seating station wagon. She got in the back with Alexa. And the first thing she said when she opened the back and I was already in the car and Ashley was in, um, I have a, like a booster seat for her.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
It's big enough for my daughter and big enough for her. And, um, She's like, Lauren, why would you ask Lexa if she even liked me? I'm like, I didn't say that. And I was like, Lexa, did you ask her that? Like, I was being calm with Lexa, like how you talk to kids, you know? And she's like, she's just quiet. You know, she didn't say anything. And then she's like, Jenny goes, are you lying, Lexa?
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
And, you know, not angry, not angry. She was more concerned for, you know, why she would lie to her. And I said, Jenny, I didn't say that. And I said, I talked to them earlier this week when they were at my house. And I said that, you know, mama tries her best, you know. And that was the end of the conversation.
Sword and Scale
Episode 282
And we drove home, and the kids were just – What about – did Lexa actually ask her about her? I don't know. I wasn't – I mean, I got into the car.
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She never answered the question, but I know she was quiet. And Lexa had a tendency to do stuff like that, just – kind of tattle or like say, you know, mix up the words or something. And then Jenny would get not upset, but she would get like, like, why, why do you have to, you have to lie to me kind of thing, you know? And so we drove home, everything was fine.
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And we were, you know, I had the radio on whatever, but she opened the door and she went in and then the girls, you know, they went in right ahead of me. I don't know how we got mixed up, but anyway, I was like, no, stop. Cause they weren't taking off their shoes and stuff. I was trying to take off their shoes and put their coats and stuff, you know, and I said,
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wow, and they're looking around and they're all excited because the house was so much cleaner than it was before. Like, literally, 300 times better. Right.
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Right, because they weren't used to... And they yearn so... I don't want to cry, but they yearn so bad to have that kind of home. That home. And when they were at my house and stuff, they knew. They knew the difference. They were playing with my kids on... On Thursday night, they loved it. You know, I was teaching her how to wash from top to bottom in the bath kind of thing.
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You know, you have to rinse it all out. I was in there, you know, washing my, brushing my teeth and stuff. I was like, you got to get ready for bed. You have to, you know, I was just thinking to my head, how does she not know this stuff at, you know, almost nine years old and she doesn't know how to take care of her own body yet.
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Well, I mean, yeah, I know it was the frozen pipes, but other than that, I mean.
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I pulled up, I walked up, you know, I called the name because the door was open, like I said. So you called her name? I called her name, and I was on the phone with my friend Jason at the time, telling him all about how, you know, how my sister was being annoying, you know, and how she's pissing me off, so I'm going over there right now to see if she can find her phone in my car or whatever.
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And he's like, I'm like, okay, hold on one second because the door's open and all the lights are off. He's like, okay, and then I called her name, and then he was, I was like, okay, anyway, I'll, you know, I'll call you later. I hung up with him. And then Jenny comes to the door dressed like a hobo and like in a skirt, jeans and sweaters and whatever.
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I don't know, I don't even know exactly what her tops were, but I know jeans and a khaki skirt were on the bottom and just thinking that was really weird. And so that's not what mom used to dress sometimes when she was being stupid.
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Anyway, so I go out to the door. I left the kids in the car. You know, I'm planning on just stopping at the door saying, you know, let's go out to eat or whatever. I did pretty good at work. I was going to say, let's find your phone and do whatever we got to do today. I noticed first thing that the dogs didn't run up to me or run outside or where the hell were the dogs.
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I know the door was open, but usually they're visual. You know, I don't know where they are. So I didn't hear any barking. And I go, where are the girls? Because usually they at least have a TV on or something or the radio on.
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Yep, I stood in the doorway. Yeah, and then she said, can I have a cigarette? And that's when I took my first step into the door, you know, into the actual house. You gave her a cigarette. She asked for a cigarette, and then I noticed it was too quiet. I said, where did it go?
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She said, she's standing back towards the kitchen table where we were sitting the night before, there in the corner, and she said, I killed him. And I said, no. So I'm going to the, all I said was no, pretty much. I mean, I don't remember if I said anything else, but I just said no and not like no, like no, you know, like no, you know? And she said, I'm going to the defense of hell.
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And she said, it's all over now and it's done. And that was, she wasn't looking at me. She was looking at the ground and it was Clay's face again. And it was monotone voice too. it is done like that, like it is done. And then she goes, I'm going. And then she looked up and she goes, you have to call the police on me, Lauren. And I said, okay. I said, but show me how you tried to kill yourself.
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And soon as she showed me the rest, I had already backed up enough to where I was out, almost out the door, the doorway again. And she showed it to me and I was on the porch by that. Like I took another step back and I was on the porch or the deck or whatever. And I was starting to go, okay, Jen, you stay here, keep calm. And that's when I, I mean, I was like,
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While, like, I mean, if you could listen to it right now, I was really calm in the beginning because I was still outside of the car when I called. And... Jenny was like, are you calling? And I said, I wanted to say no because I didn't know I was fearful for my kids in the car and for myself. But I was walking around to get the address from the car.
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I walked around the back of the car because I'm thinking, I'm looking in the car after, because she showed me a wrist. I'm looking in the car for anything that I could grab out. You know what I'm saying? If she comes after me, I don't know. And then I walk up. Did she have anything in her hands? No, nothing. I think she may have been smoking a cigarette because I gave her one. But, um,
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And I gave her the lighter to use, and she gave it back to me. But I'm walking around the back of the car, standing behind the station wagon, thinking that's the safest place if I have to run because I know my car is locked. And I have the keys in my pocket. So I'm standing back there, and I'm saying, yes, Jennifer, I'm calling, you know, whatever. I started on a dispatch.
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I told them, you know, I don't know what's going on. I know. And then they're like, man, you have to tell us. And I'm thinking, you know, what is there to tell? I couldn't even fathom it. What am I supposed to say, you know? And I remember telling them that. Yeah, she harmed herself and she said that she killed her kids.
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I mean, it was surprising, but it was more interesting because when my mom would do, I mean, she wouldn't do stuff exactly like that. She never told me. She would just tell me about it happening.
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I mean, because my mom used to say, I remember her telling me, Jenny telling me one time, that my mom pulled over the car right over on Romeo Plank near Speedway, and she said, I'm going to drown us in my piss, you know, and she pulled her pants down. And she was going to drown herself in the pit. There was multiple suicide attempts, you know what I'm saying?
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Not in front of me, but Jenny said, you guys are lucky you never had it as bad as we did. I guess she chased Lizzie around the backyard with a butcher knife one time and all this stuff. I don't know. I don't remember. Too young, I guess. All right, shut it out. I have no idea.
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But she would tell me stuff about Keith Richards and when we lost our house, how Keith Richards was going to buy it and she was going to get married to him. She told me about this guy who was like a healer and like, you know, like just where he- He lost the house. I'm sorry. My grandma was sick of paying for it.
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She said, I mean, she talked, I guess, briefly to this Jessica girl about how she liked Dean Coop's books and stuff like that. Different kinds of like horror, suspense, stuff like that. And she said that later in the night, she said that she...
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She didn't, she wishes she didn't say that because she probably, those girls probably think, or that guy, that girl probably thinks that she's nuts for liking those kinds of books. I mean, that's, I don't know if that means anything, but she just said, she's like, tell them that, you know, I just like to read those kind of books, you know, they interest me, blah, blah, blah.
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And then she had said to me that she's starting not to remember, but starting to understand why she was drinking, why she would have had a drinking problem. She told you that? Yeah, she said she understands why she has a drinking problem.
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She didn't disclose that information to me. She said that she told Al that she knew biker crews, like vigilantes or something. She didn't say vigilantes, but that's the only name of a biker crew I've ever heard in my life. So stuff like that, that she was affiliating with them.
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She said that Jim Reel, which I know is a boss at DiGinco and was also the part owner of TJ's where she worked at a golf course for a couple years, summer and stuff like that.
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She said that he, she wasn't sure if she ever really worked there, if she would go there and if she was actually doing the work that, you know, that they, she told me she was like a bartender and a cook and stuff like that, but she doesn't remember actually doing it. She's thinking that she was brainwashed into thinking she was doing that kind of work when really she was doing something else.
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She says that that was like a lapse in her brain. She doesn't understand what happened at that time in her life. She asked me if I remembered her.
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She said, I think, Lauren, that I used to kill people. And I said, I literally wrote it off as her just being either drunk or me not recognizing it as an issue. Like she was saying it almost not in a joking manner, but not to where it's like, Lauren, I think I used to kill people. You need to help me or something. She was like, I think I used to kill people.
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I'm like, Jenny, you know, what are you, where are you getting this from? And she's like, I don't know. I just, I, she's like, I don't understand. I don't remember. I don't remember. And then she said, she said like, I don't remember that like three times, you know, in a row. And then she said, I think I ate them.
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And I said, Jenny, you know, and I remember growing up, like she used to have like, I know it sounds stupid, but she used to do like candle things in her room. And like, she'd walk around the, like, you know what I'm saying? Like weird shit like that.
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Yeah, like a seance or like a demonic thing. But, I mean, she, at that time, I know that she had had some experiences with drugs. I don't know what, because I was nine years younger. But I know, I mean, my mom busted pot in the house. She found plants, and she, like, threw them against the wall. Because they were all in the basement, the kids.
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Me and my old, my Lizzie shared a room upstairs for a while. And then when my dad started raping the kids, like, right before Jenny turned, like, 10 or something, 12, I don't know, he made the bedrooms downstairs for them. So it was almost like their whole, like, I mean, they were, they weren't finished. There was tile on the floor, but it was like, they were drywall and stuff like that.
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They had separate rooms. And Lizzie was in this room. Joey was in the middle. And then Jenny was at the far end. And she used to come and sneak boys in and stuff like that. And they do, I mean, man vestige, the one that Lizzie is, Lizzie's fiance now. I would go downstairs and they'd be doing whatever I didn't know.
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And I wouldn't tell my mom because they would tell me to shut up and tell me not to come downstairs all the time because there was there was stuff. I think they were trying to keep me away from whatever they were doing. There was stuff under the stairs. There was big spiders. There was ghosts, whatever. You know what I'm saying?
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And I literally I really believe that they even if they weren't brainwashed, that they had done something to themselves. You know what I mean? To where they thought that this was real. you know, or at least maybe she lived with that. She used to cut, like, I remember one time she cut Slayer into her arm. And I was like, is that, you know, banned? She was into heavy metal. And she's like, no.
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And she was like, I didn't even do this, you know? And I can remember her, not that time, but I can remember her cutting her legs and cutting her arms and stuff like that. And my mom would send her to the counselor, but because my mom was emotionally disturbed as well, and she had her own bipolar schizophrenia or whatever, she would take them out because in her mind,
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counselors and stuff like that were bad you know police were good always police were good but counselors were bad teachers were bad um they didn't know what they were teaching you they didn't know what they you know all this stuff and she would say that they're gathering information on us they want they want us they want us they want us she would say like we're like christ's bloodline she knew christ's descendants were you know all this stuff and that's what i had to go around i mean i got past it i'm working i mean i worked through it i understand that she had illness but
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He had told me that she believed that Elizabeth Kukla, or Lowry, I'm sorry, her sister, and Lisa Fabry, the neighbor growing up, F-A-B-B-R-I, had led her to believe that they were going to have her kids taken away. They were going to call the CPS. Yes. As far as I know at that time, that was a truthful statement. Lizzie denied it when I went to her place of employment later.
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I know it sounds really bad on my part, but growing up with my mom the way that she was. You were used to that kind of thing. I was used to it, and I never thought that she would hurt anybody because my mom never threatened me.
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Right, it didn't at all. And I mean, I've been working through that, but at the same time, I mean, my mom was like, how would you know that she was going to, you know, hurt anybody? And she's like, she said that anything that Jenny could have said, I mean, it would roll right off my back at the state that I am in right now. So it did, you know what I'm saying? And then she started saying, you know,
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It's hard for me to get past my past with my mom. Hard for me to even say that I can't believe what she was telling me about, you know, Keith Richards and the Beatles and whatever, because that was my mom and I was conditioned my entire life to believe that she was telling me the truth. That's my mom, you know? So when Jenny tells me this stuff,
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I think, what if mom, I don't want to say that I'm, I don't want to feel like you or you guys think that I'm crazy, but what if, you know, maybe this is, you know, my mom, not my mom telling her this stuff, but like maybe something my mom said was true. Maybe, you know, we are, she was special or Jenny is special.
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That's why she tried to protect her before, you know, and that's why my mom had to be put on meds was because she knew something and then she knew Jenny would know the same thing or be able to do the same thing or whatever. I don't know, you know what I'm saying? Right. I thought it was some kind of religious belief that they both shared or something. I don't know.
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She said that, she told Al that, She knew biker crews like vigilantes or something. She didn't say vigilantes, but that's the only name of a biker crew I've ever heard in my life. So stuff like that, that she was affiliating with them.
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She said that Jim Reel, which I know is a boss at Dijenko and was also the owner or part owner of TJ's where she worked at a golf course for a couple of years and stuff like that. She said that he
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She wasn't sure if she ever really worked there, if she would go there and if she was actually doing the work that, you know, that they, she told me she was like a bartender and a cook and stuff like that, but she doesn't remember actually doing it. She's thinking that she was brainwashed into thinking she was doing that kind of work when really she was doing something else.
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She says that that was like a lapse in her brain. She doesn't understand what happened at that time in her life. She asked me if I remembered her.
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Okay. She said that I thank Lauren that I used to kill people. And I said, I really, I literally wrote it off as her just being either drunk or me not recognizing it as an issue. Like she was saying it almost not in a joking manner, but Not to where it's like, Lauren, I think I used to kill people if you need to, you know, help me or something.
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You know, she was like, I think you used to kill people. I'm like, Jenny, you know, what are you, where are you getting this from? She's like, I don't know. I just, she's like, I don't understand. I don't remember. I don't remember. And then she said, she said, like, I don't remember that like three times, you know, in a row. And then she said, I think I ate them.
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And I said, Jenny, you know, and I remember growing up, like she used to have like, I know it sounds stupid, but she used to do like candle things in her room and like, She'd walk around the, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, weird shit like that.
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Yeah, like a seance or, like, a demonic something or other. But, I mean, she, at that time, I know that she had had some experiences with drugs. I don't know what, because I was nine years younger. But I know, I mean, my mom busted pot in the house. She found plants, and she, like, threw them against the wall. Because they were all in the basement, the kids.
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Me and my old, my Lizzie shared a room upstairs for a while. And then when my dad started raping the kids, like right before Jenny turned like 10 or something, 12, I don't know. He made the bedrooms downstairs for them. So it was almost like they're like, I mean, they were, they weren't finished. There was tile on the floor, but it was like, they were drywall and stuff like that.
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and Lizzie was in this room, Joey was in the middle, and then Jenny was at the far end, and she used to come and sneak boys in and stuff like that, and they do, I mean, Matt Vestage, the one that Lizzie is, Lizzie's fiance now, and like, I would go downstairs, and they'd be doing whatever, I didn't know, and I wouldn't tell my mom, because they would tell me to shut up, and they'd tell me not to come downstairs all the time, because there was, there was stuff under, I think they were trying to keep me away from whatever they were doing, there was stuff under the stairs, there was big spiders, there was ghosts, whatever, you know what I'm saying,
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And I literally, I really believe that they, even if they weren't brainwashed, that they had done something to themselves, you know what I mean, to where they thought that this was real. You know, or at least maybe she lived with that. She used to cut, like, I remember one time she cut Slayer into her arm. And I was like, is that, you know, banned? She was into heavy metal. And she's like, no.
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And she's like, I didn't even do this. You know, and I can remember her, not that time, but I can remember her cutting her legs and cutting her arms and stuff like that. And my mom would send her to the counselor, but because my mom was
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emotionally disturbed as well, and she had her own bipolar or schizophrenia or whatever, she would take them out because in her mind, counselors and stuff like that were bad. You know, police were good always. Police were good. But counselors were bad. Teachers were bad. They didn't know what they were teaching you. They didn't know what they, you know, all this stuff.
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At that time, I could see her saying something like that because she said it to me before plenty of times the past couple years. She said she hates Jenny. She wishes she would just clean up her act and blah, blah, blah, whatever, because Lizzie got her kids taken away. She thought that she was fighting for them, but she wasn't fighting for them because she was always doing it.
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And she would say that they're gathering information on us. They want us. They want us. They want us. She would say like Christ's bloodline. She knew Christ's descendants were, you know, all this stuff. And that's what I had to go around. I mean, I got past it. I'm working. I mean, I worked through it.
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I understand that she had an illness, but I know it sounds really bad on my part, but growing up with my mom, the way that she was. You were used to that kind of thing. I was used to it, and I never thought that she would hurt anybody because my mom never threatened me.
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Right. It didn't at all. And I mean, I've been working through that, but at the same time, I mean, my foster was like, how would you know that she was going to hurt anybody? And she's like... She said that anything that Jenny could have said, I mean, we rolled right off my back at the state that I am in right now. So it did, you know what I'm saying?
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And then she started saying, you know, it's hard for me to get past my past with my mom. Hard for me to even say that I can't believe what she was telling me about, you know, Keith Richards and the Beatles and whatever, because that was my mom and I was conditioned my entire life to believe that she was telling me the truth and that's my mom, you know? So when Jenny tells me this stuff,
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I think, what if mom, I don't want to say that I'm, I don't want to feel like you or you guys think that I'm crazy, but what if, you know, maybe this is, you know, my mom, not my mom telling her this stuff, but like maybe something my mom said was true. Maybe, you know, we are, she was special or Jenny is special.
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That's why she tried to protect her before, you know, and that's why my mom had to be put on meds was because she knew something. And then she knew Jenny would know the same thing or be able to do the same thing or whatever. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Right. I thought it was some kind of religious belief that they both shared or something. I don't know.
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Lizzie wasn't threatening to report Jenny to CPS because she was genuinely concerned about her nieces. She just hated her sister and wanted to see Jenny lose her kids too. Nice, right? She wanted to make sure that they were, you know,
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No. I didn't hear. I mean, Jenny was an alcoholic as is, so I couldn't tell the difference either way. You know what I mean? She wasn't a stupid drunk kid by that time.
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So when she called, I know that she, you could tell that she just wanted to make sure that the girls were, I mean, that the house was taken care of because she did not want to lose her kids. She was concerned.
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Frozen. Everything worked. The heat worked and everything. It's that the furnace broke the day before and Al came and fixed it that day.
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She said, I'm going to the defensive help. And she said, it's all over now, and it's done.
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I think there was one time in the spring that she had her gas turned off and she called me. It was fall because my mom had already passed away. She called me and she said, you've got to call Grandma. And now I'm going to go between Grandma because I took it upon myself to make sure everything was taken care of with my mom and taken care of with Grandma.
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help them if they needed something from grandma so she asked me I need money for rent I need money to fix the car I need money to get my license back I need money to you know all this stuff and all I could think was Jenny you got to get clean you're drinking you know when I I can help you and grandma goes I wish I didn't give her a lecture I said you have to give her a lecture every time otherwise she doesn't know how you feel grandma I said this is your fault you know and um I just I
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She did have it shut off a couple times, but not to the extent where the girls didn't have anywhere else to go or, you know, couldn't take care of themselves and stuff. And they always had food in the fridge and stuff like that.
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So, um, Then I went to Al's house to pick her up and she... Who's that? You went to who's? Al Vanderbos, which was the main where she was at. He lives in a trailer park as well. Yeah, like they're all within two block radius. So I drove over there after I asked Russell and Jessica if they wanted to make tent box.
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I asked Stacy too, but she said she didn't want to go in the house because she knows it's too dirty. She wanted to deal with that.
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Yeah. No, I picked up Jennifer. Oh. And the kids stayed there with Al. And I had Russell or Jessica in the car with me.
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Vanderboss, I think. Vanderboss? It's in the statement, I think. Vanderboss, I'm not sure.
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She got in the car. She was acting fine. She just said, you know, let's go right now. We'll get this done. I said, okay, Jenny, you know, we have a couple hours or whatever. We'll get it done. She was upset. I remember her saying something. She was upset because she thinks Lisa and Lizzie were going to call.
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She said that when she was over at Elizabeth's house earlier that day, she was on the phone with Lisa and Lisa had told her something that triggered a memory of how it's possible that she may have been hypnotized into being a bad person.
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Jennifer. Lisa said something that triggered a memory of some kind into her realizing that she may have been hypnotized during her teenage years.
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Jenny always had problems. She believed that she was worthless. She believed, I mean, she was raped and everything else. Her mom didn't take care of her. You know, like our mom was on meds a lot, and she probably thought you know, for some reason I'm not being taken care of because, you know, my mom brought this horrible man into her life. You know what I mean?
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I think from like. 12 to 15. 12 to 15. She was molested from Joseph, her father's brother, Robert. He was mentally impaired. She told me that he molested her as well growing up at younger ages. That the neighbor at the residence that I live in now, one of the old neighbors that lived there, like their nephew or something, molested her as well. She was raped.
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Just, I mean, walking down the street kind of thing she told me before it.
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And now the hard part. Chad, you are so creative and athletic, but I'm afraid you may be too quiet for me. And Jeremy, we have so much fun together, but I am sick of being insulted.
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I have no idea, but at least I'm with the real man now.
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God, it's like riding in a car with one of my kids. Look at the moon, Dad! Look at the moon!
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No, what's funny about this, Chris, is that our instructor... Please tell us what's funny about this. Sarah, my new best friend, said, you are my most success story because I've never trained anyone that was afraid to fly or was a nervous flyer. So I consider you a big success. And I'm so proud of us. I really am proud of me because I never in a gazillion years thought I would do this.
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And I just saw a video of us walking up the... I don't want to call it plank, but... What's the proper thing, Lauren?
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You're an astronaut. No, but walking up the platform and people are ringing the bell and everybody's smiling and I'm just... And it's because at that moment, I was so afraid. I just wanted to get into my seat because I just wanted to let the training kick in. What training?
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Walking up there was a little daunting for me.
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My friend is from Germany, so you have to appreciate the sense of humor. He says, once you get there, you're going to feel like it's sex with the gods. Well, that's never had sex with a god to my knowledge. So thank you for the visual.
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That what all the stuff that you hear about the blackness and the blue is, is it's a neon blue and it's still and it's quiet. And we were all feeling this experience together. I know I will never forget it.
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For me, it just says to me, if I can do this, I was telling these guys, I might even now get my ears pierced. I've never gotten my ears pierced.
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Terror in New Orleans
Lauren and Meg, we're just out here dancing through life, enjoying the final hours of 2024.
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Hour 1: The Day Journalism Died (feat. Ron Magill)
You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network.
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Hour 1: The Day Journalism Died (feat. Ron Magill)
Du fängst also an, den Let's Go Panthers-Champ zu starten. Wir werden uns vorstellen, dass das der große Drum ist. Let's go Panthers!
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Day Journalism Died (feat. Ron Magill)
You're starting it. So once we are going live on camera, I'm going to tell you to turn around. The minute you turn around, you start banging the drum.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Day Journalism Died (feat. Ron Magill)
You do it up to three to four times. If the crowd is really going, five.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Um, how do I set boundaries with my in-laws?
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Well, they all work at the same family business.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
And they all live on the same piece of land.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Mm-hmm. Oh, God. And we just moved to the same city as them, so it's a newer issue that's kind of popped up. And we also just had a baby.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Yes, and also the first one to be married.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Yeah, so my mother-in-law wanted to watch our baby. We have daycare typically, but she wanted to watch the baby for the day and... I agreed, and she texted me that morning and said, hey, I'm going to be an hour late. So I said, no worries. Just come a different day. And she went and checked my baby out of daycare so that she could spend time with her.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Um, they want to spend like three weeks of our time off from work together. And so when I push back on, Hey, my husband and I are going to been vacation together. They kind of sent messages in a way that this is what we do for the holidays. You need to spend it with us. This is how we celebrate.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
So his method is to ignore and kind of tell them that we might show up, but we might not show up.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
He likes to keep all the peace.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
No, he will finish his training and then has the option to.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
I think we've decided no.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
I think you're spot on. Yeah. Yeah.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
He would love to join the family business, but... I think he knows that our marriage can't handle it.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Well, in a couple of months, once the training is done, we do have the option to move away, which would, kind of give us more distance and would go kind of back to how our marriage was before we were around them. But I don't want to like crush my husband's dreams.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
When you say it like that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to do that either.
The Dr. John Delony Show
Should I Tell My Teen Daughter I’m Not Her Father?
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
That changed everything. He's like, you're actually the teacher. And I was like, oh, okay. Okay. And I had never seen it that way before. So it was, that was a huge eye opener and a really good perspective to understand what was going on.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Oh, I mean, it was like huge because I started to understand. Obviously, my understanding of everything got so much more clear. And I took my role very seriously because because I cared about you. And also I was able to they had like a new window into why you were the way you were. It wasn't just because initially I think I probably had the perception like I'm not good enough for this.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
He's withholding something from me because I'm not enough. was the initial story I kind of formulated from that. But then having the understanding of, okay, Rob is the way he is because of what he experienced. And it's not that he's withholding. He's just, he needs to learn. Like he just doesn't have the context or the background to be where you are with love.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And I was like, oh my God, I, I just had never realized that. And so once I I understood the assignment. I knew exactly what I needed to do. And I can't say I stepped into it like right away. It took me a little bit of time to.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
I had a better understanding, but then it did take me some time to really feel safe to, I guess it was like, I was still a little bit afraid that I wasn't going to, it wasn't going to be reciprocated.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And for whatever reason I, that, that was important for me at that point.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah, it was totally me going into protection mode because I wasn't allowing myself to be just, you know, my true self, which is so much more loving.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah. It doesn't mean it is the answer. It's just ours from where we're currently standing.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah. It's highlighting something within you. Yeah. I think everything shifted once I started working on myself more because you'd been working on yourself for some time before I really started to dive deeper into my own growth. And, um, it does change everything for the relationship because you can only really love someone to the extent that you're loving yourself.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah. Well, I was just, I think what ended up kicking all of that off was one day you asked me, you were like, are you happy? And I was like, No. And it wasn't because of anything that was going on around me or within our relationship. It had everything to do with my self-talk and Then I finally decided to say out loud all of the things that I was saying to myself in my head.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And it started the moment I woke up and I would just start my routine of just shit talking to myself. And yeah, of course I was not happy because the things I was saying were horrible.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Oh, I'd be like, okay, well, here you are not getting up again on time because you're just so lazy and you have nothing to get up for anyway. So like, you know, you don't have any purpose. And of course you don't have any purpose because you're stupid. Right. And so it was like just this endless thing like, oh, well, of course you're running late because you can't get your shit together enough.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And oh, look at you. Are you breaking out again? Because you're ugly and you're gross. Like, I mean, I was horrible to myself. It was like every single thing that I would say. And at that time, I was physically manifesting all kinds of crazy stuff, right? Like I was breaking out so bad. So it's like everything that I was feeling on the inside was coming out on the outside. Yeah, I had eczema.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
I had a whole, I mean, for me, it showed up with a bunch of different skin issues and I was really struggling. And the more I started to like physically manifest all of these skin issues, of course, like the more gross I would feel. And then it would just, it was a cycle. And so, you know, I was doing everything skin care wise and I became obsessed.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And then some one common thread whenever I was reading and reading and trying to figure out what to do for my skin was always like remove stress, anxiety and and you need to just care for yourself, you know, self-care. And then that's like a combination of that. And then you also asking me if I was happy. I was like, you know, what's the emotional side of everything that I haven't tackled?
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Like I'm just being such an asshole to myself. And so saying out loud what I was saying to myself in my head really made me more conscious of everything. And I was like, this is disgusting. Because I would never say those things to anybody else. So why the hell was I saying it to myself? And then from there, I just was really consciously shifting the things that I would say.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
I would have to switch it. Whatever I said about my, if I said something mean, I would have to say something nice. And I also worked really hard at reprogramming. So I got mala beads and I would pick, I would just Google like, what is a self-love mantra? And I sat there with my mala beads.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And if I even for one bead felt like I became unconscious and was just going through the motions, I would go back. and re say that mantra and be very present with every single bead so that every day I was reprogramming what I was saying to myself. And that was my ritual in the morning every single day. And then what ended up happening is I remember, I remember one day I was making the bed
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And I was, I randomly said something to, all I said to myself out of nowhere was, Lauren, you're so awesome. And I was like, holy shit, like this is not something old Lauren would have said. And I didn't have like a real good reason for like feeling like I was super awesome. I mean, I was literally just making the bed.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
But it was then that I knew I had finally created a change in myself because I said something nice for no reason.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah. And I think it's also a process of just getting out of your head and into your heart with practices. I mean, I, a huge thing that helped me even with like anxiety and everything, just dealing was getting out of my head through heart math, which is just basically a combination of breathing and focus and connecting with your body and how you feel and
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And when you can do that, you're connecting with what's real instead of these thoughts and stories that have accumulated over time.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah, I think this is something so sweet and special that my dad started when I was... I mean, I couldn't even tell you how old I was, but it was just a ritual that started every single night. Before I went to bed, he would tuck me in and he would say, what does love mean? And I would come up with whatever I thought love meant that day. Love means, you know... making breakfast with your family.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
yeah no and i think that that's also like kind of to what we're saying it's a product of us not looking for what we need internally from each other because we're both conscious that we need to provide that to ourselves and so i don't need to make you anything but what you are because i'm already giving myself everything that i need yeah right like that's what we're working towards anyway right
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
right something that somebody said once that really helped me with this is to fully understand that everybody's doing the best with what they have or doing the best as they doing the best they can yeah you know so i think that that's also important because we can have really big expectations for what we think somebody should be doing but that's of course from your perspective yeah and you're coming from a completely different background set of experiences than someone else and so to expect that from somebody else is
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
It's not fair. Yeah. And if you can truly lean into the loving side of yourself, you will believe that everybody is doing the best that they can. Why would anybody want to do anything less?
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Love means giving, you know, your friend a hug or whatever, you know, came to mind for me that day, but it was really cute because every day, I mean, every night that was a question he would ask me.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Right. Well, cause your perception is your reality. And when your perception is, is shaped from a completely different set of experiences, then you can start to understand why someone else's perception is everybody's going to have a wildly different one.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And that allows for more empathy for people because you don't have to understand why someone's acting the way that they are, but you can be understanding and hold compassion for them knowing that you truly just don't know what they're going through. And it's okay. You don't have to.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Oh, what is love? I feel like love is when you can get down to the true version of yourself and show kindness and compassion and care for someone else and yourself.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah, I feel like I have been really fortunate to come from a childhood and a background where love was very abundant. I mean, like everybody gave and showed love very freely. my, my mom was a stay at home mom. And so I had her with me at all times. And she was like my best friend growing up. I remember like in high school, we went on a girl's trip and my mom was the only mom that couldn't come.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And I legitimately cried at the airport saying bye to my mom. And like, I was a teenage girl, you know, I was probably like 16 or 17. Um, Yeah. Like just, I loved my parents. My parents loved me. I had two little sisters and we all just, I mean, yeah, my experience of, I was just, I'm super grateful. I'm very blessed with how loving of a background I was brought up in.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah. So I feel like I have love for other people. You know, I really care about them. They mean a lot to me. I will genuinely love a lot of my friends, you know, pretty quickly. Like I just appreciate and have gratitude for these people and I love them. Um, to me being in love is a little bit different because, and again, I think this is like where I stand right now.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Cause this is always evolving and changing. But as I was thinking about it, to me, it's somebody that. you can be completely vulnerable with and feel safe to be your full self around. You don't have to edit yourself in any way. And you want to have every experience of life with this person. What I mean by that is like,
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
there's friends that i really like to go to you know to travel with or there's friends that i like to do podcasts with or there's friends that i want to just go shopping with right like there's different people for different things and i love them but then there's also times where like i don't necessarily want to be around that person not because there's anything wrong with them but it's there's there's just you know there's something there that like maybe i don't feel safe opening up to them about certain things or maybe doing certain things
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
But when you're in love with somebody, I feel like you're in such a state of being your true self that you want more from your experience with them and you want to experience everything with them. Not only just like being together and showing them love, but like
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
passion and even whether it's like intimately or sexually like you want that with them too right because i don't want that with everybody but being in love with somebody that's such a beautiful part of the human experience is the intimacy and that i feel like is another added component of being in love with someone that's something else you want to experience with them
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
What a relief it is when you can be that vulnerable and have it met with love by somebody that you really care about. Like that feels so good. And I think that's where the healing starts to happen is because if like for me, when there's been times where I'm like, oh, this is the not cute real part of me that like,
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
just hoping for the best, but like, I'm going to just go into this and be fully transparent, fully vulnerable. And you meet that with love. I really believe in everything that you have feedback on, right? Like I value your opinion. And so when you give me feedback, that's in alignment with love for something that I was judging within myself.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
It's like, oh my God, it gives you just like such a different perspective. And then you can feel so much relief in that. And I think that's what gets you back to that state where you are more in alignment with your true self, which I think we're all love. I think the true version of all of ourselves is so much more in alignment with love. So then it puts you into that state of being in love.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah. And that, I mean, it just puts so much pressure and expectation on someone else to be something.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
It's interesting because I think, I mean, again, we talk about like coming back to like our true selves and being in love and my natural self is much more open.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
And I think that because you were having a little bit of a hard time with fully opening up to the way I expressed love when we first got together, I started pumping the brakes a little bit and I started to create an idea in my mind of how you
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
wanted me to be and of course i wanted to be in alignment with that so i started to withhold love and that creates a lot of issues on two levels number one i'm withholding love from this person that i care about which is limiting your experience of me and also it's just not natural for me to be that way and so when i realized that was happening
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
It was a huge shift for us in our relationship because I could tell there was like a wall building. But at that point in time, I didn't have like a whole lot of self-awareness. I just felt like there was just something blocking us. And it's like we had gotten to this like... Which I knew it was possible for there to be more.
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
I knew there was more out there for us, but the level of vulnerability, it just wasn't there. So once that was brought to our attention, I think that that was actually, was that through John when we went and did the therapy?
The Mindset Mentor
What is Love?
Yeah, that I actually became more conscious of the fact that I was actually withholding love. I thought that I was just being who you wanted me to be. And I also, I wasn't aware of how much I was actually holding back until that point in time.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
55: Stories from Run Reigate runners as they crossed the finish line, the big Redhill Arts Takeover week… and more
Eric and Lauren, how did it go, Lauren?
The Planet Reigate Podcast
55: Stories from Run Reigate runners as they crossed the finish line, the big Redhill Arts Takeover week… and more
Yeah, really good for our first 10k. Really good. Yeah, enjoyed that. Did you run together? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, stuck together. Yeah.
The Planet Reigate Podcast
55: Stories from Run Reigate runners as they crossed the finish line, the big Redhill Arts Takeover week… and more
keep pushing we've been running 5k's pretty much since january two three days a week we only tried a 10k last friday um i don't know if it was stupid or not but we did it and here we are so we've managed it okay well let's turn to you was that a stupid thing to do in retrospect or yeah and no i mean i suppose yeah but it motivated us for today i suppose
The Planet Reigate Podcast
55: Stories from Run Reigate runners as they crossed the finish line, the big Redhill Arts Takeover week… and more
And how have you helped Stripey Stork today? We've set up a GoFundMe page. We've helped raise quite a lot of money for Stripey Stork for children. So yeah, quite positive.
The Ramsey Show
There’s Always a Way out of a Financial Spiral
Yeah. So we are a family of four. I've got a five-year-old, sorry, a family of five new baby. He doesn't really count. So family of five, I'm spending $1,300 a month. And when we first moved here, I was spending it at a really nice store. And when that got too out of hand, I moved down to a store that didn't have as good of quality stuff. When that got too out of hand, I moved to a different one.
The Ramsey Show
There’s Always a Way out of a Financial Spiral
So for some reason, I just can't kick the $1,300 a month.
The Ramsey Show
There’s Always a Way out of a Financial Spiral
We don't have any debt except for a mortgage, and we've got some savings. Spend $1,400.
The Ramsey Show
There’s Always a Way out of a Financial Spiral
No, everything I make is generally pretty homemade. We have chickens, we do sourdough.
The Ramsey Show
There’s Always a Way out of a Financial Spiral
We stopped doing it because it was so expensive. But I really, really care about buying from local farms and dairies because I like how they treat their animals better. And I think that the chemicals and things aren't in there as much. Yeah. But we stopped doing that because it was $10 a gallon.
The Ramsey Show
There’s Always a Way out of a Financial Spiral
Hi. I just have been tracking my budget for the last year, asking friends who have similar families as me living in the area how much they're spending on groceries every month. And I am over by a couple hundred dollars every month. I've tried to bring it down, but I just am not willing to compromise on certain healthy foods. And I've already made several compromises the past couple years.
The Ramsey Show
There’s Always a Way out of a Financial Spiral
So I just want to know how much should I be willing to compromise on healthy food in order to keep a budget?
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Well, hello, everybody. Hello. How can we help? Okay, so my question is, should I take money out of my savings to start a small business to hopefully make more money, to save more money? Because at this point, I think I'm on baby step six. I just own a three-bedroom condo technically in Branson, Missouri, and I'm trying to pay that off as quickly as possible.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
But I'm literally working 80 hours a week to try to get ahead, and I'm killing myself. Oh, girl.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Well, I am a property manager at a Choice Hotel, and I make $20 an hour, so that's not even $40,000 a year. I'm a front desk agent at the Hilton, and that's $16 an hour, so I probably make about $34 a year if I'm lucky after taxes.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Yes. Right now I'm at the Choice Hotel and then I leave here at 2.30 to work 3 to 11.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Maybe not completely. If the business got busy enough, I would leave the hotel business. But if not, I just want to add extra income. Sure. Because I'm more passionate about events and entertainment and mainly party planning. So pitch us your small business idea.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Okay, so I want to rent out photo backdrops, you know, like the florals, like the pretty stuff people stand in front of to take pictures of, like bridal showers, baby showers, weddings, Mother's Day. And I do have a couple of connections, like with the Hilton and the convention center in town. Because there's a lot of weddings and events there. Have you done these before, Lauren? Yeah.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
I have, but it's just like I have two backdrops that I own personally. Okay. And I've rented them out a handful of times.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Well, depending on the backdrop, I mean $200 for the most basic one and like up to $400 depending on how fancy the backdrop is. But my issue is I only have two and they're not fancy. So if I invested in more backdrops, it's going to cost me anywhere from $3,000 to $5,000 just to have a handful of backdrops.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Cause I only owe 54,000 on my condo. So I was trying to just, you know, get up to 60, pay it completely off. And then, you know, my 5,000 would be my emergency fund, but it was like, should I try to do the side gig or decide, um, How much of this can you do on your own without hiring other people?
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Exactly. For the most part, I can do it all by myself. Now, in addition to the backdrop, I also do balloon arches. And those can be anywhere from $100 to $300, depending on how much time it takes and how many balloons it takes.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
I mean, yeah, so popular during, you know, like a special events and holidays like Christmas, New Year's Eve. Sure, sure.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Yeah, exactly. And it doesn't take long. I mean, they're heavy and kind of annoying, but it literally takes me like not even 30 minutes to set it up and, you know, get it in place and then 30 minutes to break it down and put it in my car. I also drive a Prius.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
My car has been paid off for nine years, so I'm going to let it die on me.
The Ramsey Show
Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke
Yeah, because I also wanted to, like, not just do the backdrop, but, you know, make it pretty, you know. Yeah. Purchase a few, like, benches, which I have a couple, but they're, like, fold-up benches I can fit in the Prius. I love it. I can't get couches and stuff. Yeah, that's a lot. Too much. For sure.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
100%.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Thanks for having me.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I did. Yeah, I'm a big fan of you guys. I've been listening to you guys for a while. And then I was listening yesterday as I was getting ready and I was like screaming at my phone, hearing Natalie like defend me. And I was like, that is my girl. Thank you. Yes, you are my girl. I feel it.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Correct. I mean, your world's not mine.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I mean, I think that they were all so valid. And I was thinking about how I'm sure there are so many couples and people out there having this exact conversation and like seeing these perspectives. And honestly, I remember thinking those same perspectives at the time, too, when we were going through it, like I was having such a hard time
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
knowing my truth and then like seeing how it was playing out. And I tried so hard to do so much perspective taking. And you'd like, see that a little bit where I'm like, this is fair. Like that would suck to get your phone back and have people say things about your new fiance. And then you have to figure out who's right and who's wrong and what's going on.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And that wasn't even my argument about it. My argument was like, put me in the room with them. Like they're having all of these conversations that I'm not part of. And they have these like pieces of evidence that are not true. Just like, let me speak to them. And that wasn't happening. So that was where most of my frustration was coming from. And I feel that now watching you back.
The Viall Files
E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. Well, and you'll like see this play out a little bit more. But I was not with him the weekend before I left. I saw him like a week before. It really was a very like to the how do I say this? It was a friends with benefits situation. It started where we were like, maybe there could be a romantic connection there, but then casting conversations are happening for months.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And like, he knew that I was having that. And so he was like, we can keep things casual. It honestly felt like best of both worlds for both of us at the time, because like he was dating other people too. He was going on dates. I remember seeing his picture on like, are we dating the same guy? People were setting up dates with him.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So we were both, I felt like things were very clear that we were not romantically interested in each other.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. We didn't talk about it a ton, mainly because we weren't really sitting there having a lot of conversations, but it definitely came up.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yes and no. I remember thinking with this guy, like, okay, I'm having these conversations to potentially go on a show where I could get married. Do I like this guy enough? Because here is this connection that I have in one way. Do I like this guy enough to say, fuck the show, I'm going to pursue things with him?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I remember being like, no, I don't like him enough to do that, to make that sacrifice and not go on this experience. And in terms of, again, we had come off of, I think when we were filming, we were watching the season with Trevor and his girlfriend.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And I remember I was like kind of freaking out in the moment and being like, oh my God, is this how the world is going to see me now that this is all playing out? But again, at the time I'm basing my perspective on what my narrative was and like my truth with this guy. And so I just never in a million years thought that this would be part of the story at all.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Just letting me be part of the conversation with his friends that were chirping in his ear about it. I just wanted to talk to them. I wanted to compare stories.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I truly think that his friends and his sister were basing the decisions on their involvement or not on what Dave was telling them.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I do.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I'll be really nice.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
It was embarrassing. And also like, I remember being like, this really proves my point. Like you are helping me with this story here. I don't, I was like, I rest my case.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
um between dave and i yeah yeah yeah you'll see that kind of continue to play out did you feel in that moment uh that he was just trying to find a way out of the marriage i do like i yes that definitely came up but i think i might have even said that to him at one point like there are a lot of outs you can take and you'll see him or you have seen him try to take outs where he
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
has conversations about his sister. And there's some other stuff that comes up that I'm like, are you just trying to find the out that sticks the most right now? And obviously this guy was, I think the biggest one. So yeah, I did have that. At that time, I don't know if I fully listened to my gut as much as I should have on it in the moment.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
There are a couple other things that come up. You'll see some other things that I think makes Dave question Dave. we should be getting married or not. And I don't think that they have anything to do with me and more to do with where his head was at.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
That was definitely like, I mean, going into this experience, obviously you're hopeful for what could come, but like, I just have never, you see me at one point say, I've never felt this like connected to someone so quickly. And so I surprised myself how invested I got with him and with this experience. And you see me like fight for it really hard. And so I did see marriage.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I remember thinking like, okay, we'll get married, we'll break up or we'll not get married, but we'll stay together. And all of those at the time felt like potential next steps for us. But yeah, marriage was definitely on the table for sure for me.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Honestly, no, because I think looking back, like I tried to explain things in so many different ways and tried to really understand his perspective and then like speak to that. Yeah. I think at that point there was nothing I could have said or done differently to have Dave see it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah. And that has been pretty jarring to watch back. And it happens too when he meets my friends and I get emotional and there's not a lot of comfort happening. And I felt that in the moment. And it's really sad to watch it back and feel that again.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, for sure. And I remember thinking too, like your friends are giving you this whole different narrative. And every time you talk to them, you get like more angry at me or more confused about the situation. So if you and I are supposed to be a team, why are we continuing to go back to those people and have the same conversations that are not productive at all?
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Exactly.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I think it was a little more dramatized than it felt in the moment. And like Molly and I are friends and we've talked since about conversations that they've had. So I knew that obviously they knew that they had a connection and I knew that he was validating her as well as me. And so watching it back, I wasn't too surprised. I kind of had a feeling that that was... story.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Okay, that edit shocked me because that's not what I was saying. I was telling him that I got a wax and then I had a spin class scheduled for that night. And they were telling me that you can't work out, you can't have sex, you can't do any of these things. And I was so bummed because I hadn't worked out in like two weeks. And my jaw was on the floor. I was like, I don't talk like that.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I'm like, in what world would I have said that? Oh my God. I'm glad there were having people that messaged me and they were like, this editing looked a little wonky. I'm like, thank you.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, I think in terms of him asking other people like that clip of scenes, I remember thinking like one thing Dave is going to do is be himself. And you see him say, I was just genuinely curious and he just wanted to talk to people about it. I don't know. It didn't surprise me that he was having those conversations because he speaks his mind and doesn't really filter through questions.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, the way some of his jokes, especially in the pods were portrayed, it comes off much more serious than it felt in the moment. Like it was very lighthearted. He would always follow it up with like a laugh or like, and again, I know that if he said anything is absolutely insane, there'd be a line to cross, but like, it felt very bantery in the moment. It like,
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
yeah, it's hard to watch back and have people see it.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I did. And I remember like I said, I, when we were having this conversation, I was like, I'm, I feel crazy right now. Like, I feel like I'm, my communication is not getting through and I'm, I feel like a slut. And like, I hadn't really felt that before. Like, again, I just, you see me say, I've never had to defend my character like this.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Like, I don't understand why this thing is like the end all be all for me. and the kind of person I am right now. So yeah, I remember saying like, my Nona watches this show, my boss watches this show, and we are just airing out my sexual history for the world. Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
No, it's hard to answer because I was so focused on my own shit. I'm focused on Dave. There's a little bit of stuff going on with Molly. I talked about this before too, but I was talking to Mason up until like a couple of days towards the end too. And I had no idea that he was having any of these conversations with Meg or Madison. So I was shocked to see it all come to a head.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I think you kind of see Meg and Madison handle things differently and like approach it differently. But I wouldn't say I left. I remember leaving and people were like, how were the girls? Were they all insanely toxic? And I'm like, no, everyone was just trying their best. And that looked different for different people.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, I'm going to be so honest with you guys. I skipped through a lot of those. Fair enough. I was watching mine. I wanted to make sure I understood the story.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Honestly. But I didn't fully get what was going on in the lounge at the time. And I still don't fully get it. Like, honestly, you guys have probably a better perspective on it than me. I do.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Or like, that's not what I thought he looked like. It is funny to think back because like, I'm sure as a viewer, you're probably like, okay, I wonder how they think the other person looks. But I really tried to not spend too much time putting people in these like physical boxes. Um, I was shocked. Joey had long hair. I had no idea that that's what he looked like. Um,
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I remember I'm trying to think about anyone else. There wasn't anyone I was super surprised by. And there wasn't anyone that I was like, oh, damn, I made a mistake.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
So it's not exactly copy and paste.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah, that to use Nick's words, I remember at the time thinking two things can be true. Ben could have not been a good partner to women in the past. And this girl on TikTok also really wants her 15 minutes of fame and wants some clout. Like I remember really seeing both of those pieces. And I don't know, it was hard to watch Sarah be conflicted on how to look at things.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
And I think she did such a good job of saying, I'm not going to dismiss her. And I trust you, but Like I'm remembering this or I'm not like dismissing this information.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I definitely think there's a reason that there are these conversations happening with many women, not just that one TikTok girl.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, I think like if you and again, this is another like don't go watch that TikTok and like give her attention. But like there are people having conversations about that and validating her in ways.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Well, more so when that was happening at the time, like there were there were comments in that video or like people saying things to her like, oh, yeah, I also knew Ben or I had this experience. There were some of those.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Yeah.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
heads up or or just like something to look for you know as we consume these next batch of episodes I don't think that there's anything like to clear up I do think that they're doing a good job of like telling our story and the way that it felt in the moment and there's like a lot of frustration with that unfortunately I don't think the frustration is done after this week there will be a little bit more to come there
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
Great.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
But like, let me cook.
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E892 - Traitors w/ Chanel Ayan, LIB w/ Lauren, RHOBH, Kate Hudson Flirting 101, and White Lotus
I mean, I personally think you'll want to have me.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
And we want to tell our friend that we don't want to hang out with him anymore.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
It just constantly tows the line of, we hang out with him because we feel so bad for him. You know, we may not want to, and like, we don't hate him. It's just that we feel so bad. So we agreed to have plans with him, but then, you know, it's like every single week, it's not an exaggeration. Like I don't see my parents that often.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
A mixture of like complaining about stuff, but also just kind of like flexing the, you know, lawyer-ness on us or.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
is also just not wanting to, like, completely break up with him because we do think that he's so alone. It's just, like, not, like, breaking his heart totally, you know? Like I said, it just keeps toeing the line of, like, we feel so bad for him, but we know we need to do this.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Yeah, I think, honestly, it's important to note that the law school he went to is in our current city, too. So, like, you don't have any law school friends or, you know, you went to this big high school also and you don't know anybody from there that currently lives in our city. Like, it just kind of all adds up.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
I guess just kind of like what we talked about where when he was with his girlfriend, we felt like she toned him down a lot. Right. Because she, you know, could also say the same things to us about being a lawyer and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, she would call him out and like he didn't feel like, I guess, as prestigious, you know, when there was another lawyer sitting next to him in the room.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
But like now when it's just him, like then he can just, you know, blab about his lawyer-ness to us or like other narcissistic things.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Yeah, I think actually, you know, hopefully like I'm working on this big case and we're like, cool, you know, well, I think it just flies right over his head.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
And I think just like going back to how he said this has been an ongoing thing for, you know, over five years, five to 10 years now is just that because he didn't really have that group of friends, you know, in college or maybe ever. I feel like he kind of thinks that like now we can have this big college group friend and like, you know, those people that see each other every day.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
I also think this is just an important conversation to have with him because eventually we're going to have to break the news that he's not invited to Jim's bachelor party. Yeah.
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, like I said, his law school is in our city and I've thought about it to myself before just asking like, hey, do you ever still hang out with people from law school?
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E897 Ask Nick - Am I A Nag?
Well, I think a good example is that we actually are having an engagement party this weekend. And last week he asked to hang out on that day, which he's already invited to it. So he just forgot that our engagement party is on Friday, but like wants to hang out with us, even though he is invited. Yeah.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Same person responds and goes, then definitely not the asshole. She knew he'd be roaming free. She took the chance. It's all on her. Someone replies back, dogs are free roaming too. If the dog attacked the friend, would you say the friend is the asshole? If a dog jumped up on her wearing the dress and snagged it, I'd say the same thing. She made a poor choice.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
So people are kind of going back and forth in the comments a little bit. Yeah. Huh.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Yeah. Oh, sorry. Well, there's just this other comment to kind of demonstrate how back and forth people are going. Yeah. You shouldn't be so callous of the fact that your pet jumped on your uninvited guest and ruined her dress.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Big world. And a lot of people seem like they've lost the plot. Or have they? And have we lost the plot? Are we disgruntled with our lot we've been dealt? Not me.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I love the lawyer who does those videos on TikTok. It's like this car rear ends this one or does that. And then he's like, which one's at fault here, red car or white car? And then after they'll like reveal the answer. It is really interesting.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
guessing because like you guys said if it was a dog who jumped and bit somebody they would be liable right so i think i think op technically if this got brought to court i mean this girl's involving her lawyer yeah she means business and maybe this like isn't the first time noodles has like Been a menace. Every time. OP's words. The name Noodles comes up. Noodles might have a history.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Noodles might have a rap sheet. I don't know. I'm inspired to buy a ferret named Noodles. Because, honestly, if this girl's involving her lawyer, though, like... That's a drastic jump. OP does have quite a few comments here. I mean, it's only a couple hours old, but OP goes, that's what I was thinking too. Like $20 or $40 stitch up would have been reasonable, but I don't know.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I'm not a seamstress, so I'm not sure. Surely not a paycheck's worth of repairs. Downvoted 220 times. People are kind of like, why wouldn't she change at your house? Why wouldn't she bring that dress and then change? I was trying to imply the same thing to her. It wouldn't be weird for her to change at my place before the date.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
We are friends from college, so it isn't unusual for us to get ready or change in front of each other. The weird behavior was just the sudden passive-aggressive Venmo for what totals to half a paycheck for me. We've been friends for a decade and she can't have a conversation about it with me. I think she's taking advantage of daddy here too.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Like something else has to be going on in her life for this to really escalate to this. Negative 57.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Mm-hmm. Yeah, Kara, the girl, has pet-sit and watched noodles before. If the group coming over wasn't already familiar with my ferret, then I would agree. But this wasn't his first time with the group. Kind of implying, like, I would have put him away. But that isn't an issue because everyone's comfortable with my pet noodles.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I've been using a lot of weird words today. I just finished the new Hunger Game book and there's like a couple of big words in there I didn't know. And I was like, okay, bringing out the dictionary today. Going to use a little thesaurus.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
No, you're going to get horse hair and dirt all over you and you might smell like shit. My horses don't smell like shit, but you get the point. But anyways, final vote on this one. Where do you guys land?
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213: Lost the Plot?!
That was my cop out. Okay. Okay. We're going to kick it off with a vote to the people. There's no vote right now on Am I the Asshole? It is too new. Hmm. Wow. I'm kind of in the boat of everyone sucks here, I think. Did she have to wear the dress? Maybe, maybe not. You kind of knew you were going to hang out with Noodles. Could the friend have put Noodles away? Yeah.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Could they have had a conversation before the passive-aggressive Venmo fight? Yeah. That's the part that bothers me. Like, why did you have to... Have a chat. Have a chat, guys.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Well, let's see what you both think about this next one because it's also a little juicy. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. This one is coming from r slash am I overreacting? Seven hours old. It is titled, am I overreacting for kicking my sister out after what she did at my wedding? I, 28 female, got married last weekend to the love of my life.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
It was a smallish wedding, around 80 people, very personal, lots of emotions, and we paid for everything ourselves. I had asked my younger sister, 24 female, to be my maid of honor. We've always been close, and I've helped her through a lot, bad breakups, school stress, financial stuff, so I thought this would be a beautiful experience for both of us.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
She revealed on the mic in front of everyone that her ex-boyfriend, who she was still heartbroken over, had proposed to someone else a week ago and it had wrecked her. She went on for about three minutes. My husband looked mortified, my mom tried to pull her off the microphone, and people were dead silent. Then she dropped the mic and left the reception in tears. I didn't chase after her.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
It happens. It happens. There's a new phrase I learned though. And I was like, oh, that's so good. I want to use it. I already forgot it. So that's a bummer. Big bummer. But what's new in your world, everyone? How we doing down there on the sofa? Who do I got with me today? Lauren.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I was honestly stunned. I made it through the rest of the night but didn't enjoy it the same way I had imagined. Two days later, she showed up at our apartment. She was staying with us temporarily while figuring out her housing. I told her I needed space and she needed to leave. She started sobbing again and said I was punishing her for having emotions and that she didn't mean to ruin anything.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
She just broke down and didn't know what to do. My mom and a few mutual friends are saying that I'm being too harsh, that she clearly wasn't trying to be malicious and is obviously going through something, but I feel like she stole one of the most important moments of my life, and I honestly don't even know if I want her at any future milestones. Am I overreacting?
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Yeah. I don't think she's overreacting. I think it would be pretty hard to come back from that. You don't realize how long three minutes is... And you find out quickly when it's a really bad speech you have to listen to. And someone sobbing on a microphone, we're all going to have that happen at the end of this episode. It will be me. But during a happy moment, a wedding speech, I don't think so.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I'm like looking at costs for our wedding. I'm heavily in planning and weddings are expensive. I looked at a catering menu today. This place estimates anywhere from $18 to 26 a person. Do that math, Lauren. 26 times 80 bucks. That's how much they paid for their guests to eat. And that's not rental for chairs and table and a venue and flowers and a dress.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
They're terrible. They're terrible. But it's like, I understand like you're paying for this yourselves. You want to have this amazing time. You have this great intimate day. And then she does this. Yes, you're going through a tough time, but there's a time and a place. I've done nothing but support you. And on my big day where I need your support, You do this to me? I'm giving you a place to stay.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I'm really supporting you right now. And I don't care if she's had too much to drink. The mom tried to step up and get her off the mic. And then she just drops it and walks out in tears like... What show are you trying to make?
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Don't make it weird. It's Justin. And me, Morgan. Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Hot Takes. I got some good old wine. I got some good stories, I think. And we're going to get into some good old fashioned chaos. Some people that lost the plot with your good old friends, Lauren and JT.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
Like, I don't even think like and I think kind of back to your point, Justin, I don't think asking for space is punishment. If you're clearly communicating and you're not ghosting someone and you're not being passive aggressive in their presence and you're just saying, hey, I'm really hurt by what you did. I just need some space right now to like get over this and like.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I don't know, work through my feelings because I don't want to resent you. I love you. You're my sister. But like I need some time right now. Yeah. And obviously, yeah, she she is hurting. She's clearly going through it. But I don't think it's unfair to ask for space.
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But it is tough, and speeches happen somewhat early in the night, typically, so...
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Put them in the comments. Okay. Yeah. Comments. Okay. I want to hear about the worst speech you ever heard. Or gays. Because this will help inspire Lauren to give a really good speech at our wedding.
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213: Lost the Plot?!
I know. Before we spill tea. So we do have quite the assortment of comments. I have comments right now just sorted default. This comment has been deleted. OP responds. Yeah, but she lived with me. She's seen how much time and effort I've put into my dream wedding. She knew this day mattered, but still chose to make it about her. Also, she's not homeless. She went back to our mother's house.
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Another next comment down deleted by user. And someone responds, she didn't mean to? What, she tripped and fell into a self-centered rant? As mentioned above, she could have cut her speech short when she started to feel overly emotional. She chose not to. Besides, she's not homeless. OP deserves a break. Little sister needs some counseling. OP is not overreacting.
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So OP responds to whatever that person said that deleted it. I asked her to leave because she walked into the house like nothing happened, and I need to talk this through in order to move past, but she just wanted to blame me for not allowing her to have emotions. Yeah, not cool. I would never leave her homeless. She's living with my mom now. Yeah.
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So she was going to walk in and pretend like nothing ever happened? Yeah, that's not cool. Hell no. That's what I'm saying. The follow-up is the part that pisses me off.
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Someone else goes, overreacting. She's obviously heartbroken and not mature enough to keep it together. I was at a wedding 20 years ago after breaking up with my forever love, and it was incredibly hard. If she didn't care about you and what the wedding meant, she wouldn't have been so upset. It's a lot for a young person to deal with the first time. Get over yourself.
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We didn't go down that lane, but okay. Someone quotes what that person said. If she didn't care about you and what the wedding meant, she wouldn't have been so upset. She wasn't upset for OP. She wasn't upset that she hurt OP or ruined a special memory. She was upset because an old boyfriend is moving on with his life, something she hasn't managed to do. I kind of like it.
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Her actions were extremely immature. If she didn't think she could hold it together, she should have said something to OP or her mother and they could have just skipped the speech. Instead, she ruined something very special, not the whole wedding, but definitely that moment.
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OP comments back to whatever the person said. That was crazy about the overreacting, whatever. Yeah, and I've been there for her this whole time. I understand that she's going through a lot and I'm always there for her, but she wasn't there for me on my big day. Yeah.
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No, I'll be mentally prepared that if you cry and have a breakdown, that's okay. Okay.
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Lauren, you're a beautiful speaker. You have such a way with words and you love us and you're such a big part of the reason we're together. You're going to give a beautiful speech. Oh, thank you. Yeah. What now?
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There are a couple other comments from OP just clarifying that she doesn't have a history with substance abuse. Also saying, I just don't get why I'm the bad guy for wanting space after she made such a scene at my wedding. Yeah, a lot of people are really against OP, it sounds like. I know. I understand she's going through a lot and I've been there for her this whole breakup.
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Is one day too much to ask for? I know it wasn't her intention, but we tried to get her off the mic, which is why I'm so upset and wanted space. So I asked her to leave. She's at my mom's house. She's not alone. Yeah. I think this is so fair. I do too. This is so fair.
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Yeah. It's not like, I don't think you give speeches at a baby shower, do you?
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Yeah. No one really did that at Sarah's wedding. Sometimes people get a little teared away with the glass tapping to kiss. Yeah. That didn't happen much at hers.
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They did a little bit. No romantics there. Okay. Moving along to the next one, but I would love to get an update from OP. I'm curious how this plays out and if your sister does decompress and give you a good apology. But we're moving on to this next one. OK, everyone, buckle up, because this next one is weird. Yeah. Put your seatbelt on a little father knows something style.
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that's not true unless the middle person goes well your body's gonna bounce around and kill everyone oh god don't say that i was just laughing you didn't need to go that dark i'm a pessimist okay this next one i'm definitely being a pessimist over this is coming from true off my chest and it is weird Seven days old, and here's the title.
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My boyfriend took me to visit his family for the first time, and it was one of the creepiest experiences ever. It's like... Very big deal. We get to the house, huge mansion, super well guarded, top security. It already feels off at this point to me. Inside the property, there are people in uniforms working around the yard and garden.
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They greet us but make no eye contact whatsoever. I'm creeped out at this point. I ask my boyfriend about them. He says they're just staff. I meet his mom, dad, and younger brother inside. They're nice. His parents are very fancy people. Inside the house, there's the same people in uniforms doing stuff, and the place is spotlessly clean. We have a meal together, and these people serve us.
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Think servants in movies. They don't talk, no eye contact, the parents don't interact with them. It's so weird.
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At this point, I subtly mention them by saying the staff's doing a great job. The mom says they're not really staff, but something similar. She says they're part of something called the C-Org, and they're essentially volunteers so they don't get paid. Rest of the days until we leave were exactly the same.
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I tried to have a chat with the volunteers, but they only give short, polite replies and then run off. It quite literally felt like they were forced to be there. I tried to ask my boyfriend about it, even now, but he has the same way of talking in circles as his parents about anything related to their family slash Scientology. They say a lot, but actually say nothing. The end.
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So scary. Do you know what movie was also terrifying and I feel like Get Out got inspiration from? Did you ever see The Skeleton Key with Kate Hudson? No. Insane movie. Insane. So good and basically Get Out.
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OK, let's look up Scientology Sea Org. The Sea Org is the elite paramilitary branch within the Church of Scientology, consisting of its most dedicated members. It's described as the innermost core and is not incorporated, but rather a management structure controlling other Scientology organizations.
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Nice. Our friend Kira, who made those earrings, just commented on one of the new Patreon posts. And she was like, I just want to tell you... how nice it was getting a shout out because I was dealing with like not feeling creative. And that was just so great. So my gosh, Lauren's always down for some earrings. If you want to send your earrings to the P.O.
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The Sea Org was initially founded by L. Ron Hubbard as his private navy, with members adopting naval uniforms and ranks.
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Why would the teacher let her like, that's kind of a safety hazard.
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That's exactly what a cult wants to hear. Holy shit. But anyway. I'm like scared reading this story. I'm like, are they going to come for us?
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box, it's in the description of this episode. Oh, my gosh. I love that. Get the girl. Get the girl on some good earrings. But definitely no pressure. But no pressure. No pressure. If you want to just send a postcard sticker or nothing, nothing. Just love you guys. A note. Cost of a stamp. Let's get into these today.
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No, with you guys tonight. Let's do it. Let's go. Top comment on this one. I live near Clearwater where one of the Scientology capitals is. Those aren't people to mingle with. I'm sure you love your boyfriend, but his lack of participation is most definitely not known to his parents. They would have exiled him. That situation is a ticking time bomb. Next comment down.
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Or he's lying to OP about how involved he is. That's what I think is happening. Yeah, because he's trying to recruit her. Oh. It's not a big deal, babe. Come on.
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I'm not seeing anything about Get Out being based on Scientology. However, I do find it ironic. You know the show The Handmaid's Tale? Mm-hmm. You know that the main actress is in Scientology? For real? How ironic is that? That's crazy. You don't think she would have picked up a thing or two trying to fit into that role? Whoa. Goofy.
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This is something I'm going to look up after. I don't know. One, so I looked up was Get Out based on Skeleton Key. One could even say that Peele's film plays like a mere reflection of the Skeleton Key. Hmm.
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Conservative. Like, yeah. Versus Hasidic. Yeah. I don't know if there's any Scientologists in our community. Please let Lauren know. But I'm going to move along now because I'm scared.
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That one could be a DM. Only me. That one can go to Lauren's DMs. I'm good on that one. Oh, man. Okay, moving along to this next one. Back to a wedding drama one because it's that time of year again and weddings are coming up and on the forefront of my brain. So this is coming from AITAH.
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It is titled, Am I the asshole for flipping out on my brother for accusing my mom of wearing a white dress to his wedding?
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So here's the deal. Just a classic. So here's the deal. I'm the younger sister in a very complicated family, and things have been tense since my brother George got married to Yennefer. To give some background, my relationship with Yennefer has been rocky from the start, and she's not exactly warm to my mom or any other relatives. How do you spell Yennefer? With a Y. I've never heard that before.
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Have you not seen The Witcher? Hmm. Anyways, the issue came up during their civil ceremony where my mom wore this beautiful cocktail dress that has a white base, but the overlay is this bold, dark blue lace with ruffled sleeves. Well, Yennefer lost it. She completely flipped out and wanted to kick my mom out of the wedding, but somehow refrained from doing so.
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Since then, though, every time there's a family conflict, Yennefer and George always bring up the fact that my mom wore white at their wedding. Yes, she wore white, but it's literally not white. It's a white base with blue lace. I can't even.
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Now, almost a year later, my mom tries to talk things through with the family and rebuild the relationship, and George hits her with a list of grievances, including, quote, you haven't apologized to Yennefer for wearing white. I'm honestly about to lose it. Like we're still going back and forth to this ridiculous dress issue. My mom is genuinely confused why this is even a problem.
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And I'm just trying to defend her. I feel like it's completely unfair to keep bringing up something this petty. And at this point, I can't help but feel like it's just another excuse to attack her. Am I the asshole for wanting to stand up for my mom over this dumb dress situation? I just don't get why it's such a big deal.
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So I've seen the dress and I can't, I just, I can't say anything at this point. Oh my God. Well, let's see it. Show it. This is the dress. Oh, that's blue. That's blue as fuck.
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No, you guys, I honestly like, so I went to a store here in LA. I went to House of CB to go get some like dresses for Sarah's wedding. And me and a bunch of other girls were like panic buying for events that weekend. And I walked in and out in a dress and I'm like, I'm asking the girl, I'm like, I'm like, is this too white?
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Like it's, it's not a white base, but like when you kind of look at it, it's like, it's gray, taupey colored with flowers. And I'm like, it just feels too light and bridal. It feels like something that like a non-traditional bride could maybe wear. Definitely not. But like, I'm in my head about it because of all these stories. And a girl walks out in like
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this beautiful like corset skirt set, but it's actually a white base with flowers all over it. And she goes, Oh, I was thinking the same thing. My friend's having her bridal shower this weekend. And like, I'm, I really liked this. And I was like, don't do it. Don't do it. I told her, I was like, don't do it. That's too close.
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this is actually a blue dress. It's definitely blue. This is blue.
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I think if you're that close, immediate family, best friends, I think you should ask. But like, here's the thing. There's literally a subreddit now on Reddit called like wedding appropriate attire, right? And people gaslight the fuck out of you in there. There was someone who posted a dress and it was like the bride. And she was like, my mother-in-law sent me this picture.
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Do you guys think this dress is appropriate? And it's a picture of this white base dress with gold flowers all over it. Okay. And everyone in the comments was like, yeah, that looks really nice. That's such a beautiful dress. It's not bridal. It's not a wedding dress at all. She should be able to wear that. People were popping off in the comments. So I remembered that post, right? Yeah.
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I'm now shopping for like rehearsal dress... For like rehearsal dinner dresses and wedding dresses and all this shit. I end up on the Mac Dougal website. Same person that made my prom dress. I don't know.
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But like affordable. And I'm on Mac Dougal. And I go to bridal options. Guess what is listed as an option for bridal dresses? That one. That same fucking dress that the mother-in-law was trying to wear...
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mac doodle doesn't come up on a google search or shopping and blah blah blah you have to go to mac doodle and go under dresses it's under bridal dresses no it's not acceptable to wear to a wedding whoa justin's mom i think i've scared the shit out of her and i'm not a bridezilla you guys i'm like i'm so chill ask lauren yet talking really fast right now no you don't know i'm so we don't know you in a few months no i'm so chill
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but i think justin's mom because of these stories and like i don't know she's scared too she sends me a picture of every dress she's like considering and she just sent me like this light pink one she goes it's too light i think it's too light and i go that's probably too light it's better than the opposite no i love that she's sending me that yeah but i can tell because she's sending me like dark blue options yeah and i like i genuinely think she's
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It already is. Yennefer has it out for the mom. Clearly. And we kind of find out why. OP was asked to explain Yennefer's behavior towards the family regarding wedding planning. And OP was like, we weren't involved in the wedding planning. Not by our choice. We were excluded. She's definitely not shy. Everything started after she fought with my other sister-in-law, Galinda.
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And my mom took Galinda's side. And ever since then, she just goes berserk towards the family. I actually defended Yennefer that time. But when Yennefer started a vendetta against my nephews, literally toddlers, I said enough is enough. And then I became another enemy.
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I mean, all the names are quoted except Yennefer. Oh. It makes me think Yennefer is real, but Galinda is fake.
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But guess what, you guys? What? We get an update. Hi, guys. Some people have asked for an update for my story. I tried to approach it calmly and used many of the amazing arguments you all shared. He did acknowledge that it wasn't really about the dress, but more about the person wearing it, which honestly brought me some clarity.
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I tried to go deeper and address the root issues that have driven this divide in our family. For some context, I moved abroad to study for my master's, and shortly after, George and Yennefer announced their wedding dates. I wasn't able to celebrate or support him through any of it. Still, I tried to reach for a Many of you asked what our relationship was like before Yennefer entered the picture.
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The truth is, I always considered George my best friend. He's five years older than me, and growing up, he saw the struggles I went through from our parents. He always tried to shield me from it, and I loved him deeply for that. I'll be honest, my family is far from perfect. My mom has her own mental health struggles, and my dad is narcissistic and controlling.
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I'm raccooning. Gosh, darn it. Can you just do one submarine sound?
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They divorced when I was 13, and George was 18. Despite everything, my mom fought tooth and nail for a fair alimony to support both George and me. And I've worked hard to understand, forgive, and appreciate how far she's come. But something in George has changed. Suddenly, we all became villains in his narrative. The bond we once had, the years of mutual support and shared struggles, vanished.
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Now everything revolves around Yennefer being the victim and the rest of us are painted as threats or enemies. I supported them from the start. I recognized the power imbalance. I knew they'd need allies. But the moment I pointed out that they too might be contributing to the tension, I became the problem. I could say so much more, but right now I just feel numb.
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I lost my brother, and I felt completely broken. Thank you all for your support, your kind words, and your advice. It means more than I can say. Damn, this is sad.
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a parent completely away from you yeah i mean there's a lot of context in that update that we didn't have in the original post like opie kind of alluded like yeah our family dynamics are a little strained there's some struggle there but like finding this out now like
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I don't know, like, you almost wonder, and I don't want to, like, I don't know, I don't want to imply too much about OP's life, but we have seen it in other stories where, like, maybe that person writing isn't as, like, attuned yet to what everyone went through, and George is five years old, or maybe George...
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shielded you and maybe George is tired maybe George is cutting off his toxic family like air quotes on that right but maybe that's George's point of view yeah maybe George is done right and maybe he's so hurt by the mom and the dad and whatever happened that George is like if you're gonna stick up for mom and not have my back I'm done yeah
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Like, it'd be interesting to see what side we get from George and Yennefer. Yeah, I agree. Out of curiosity. True, yeah.
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Yeah. Well, and he's now admitting it's not about the dress. It's about who wore it. Right. So let's stop bringing the dress up as an excuse. Let's talk about the root of why you're upset. Yeah. You hurt me. I want an apology. Yeah.
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It's not about the dress. You're right. It's not. Yeah. I'm still hurt over 10 years of you not being a good parent. That's how I feel. Whatever. So he said that directly to the mom? No. Okay. That's what he, I think, confronted with what people were saying on Reddit. Right. So it's like, it's tough. Like family stuff is tough. Yeah.
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There's a lot here. Yeah. They need to maybe do family therapy or maybe honestly, both sides just need to move on. Sometimes that's healthiest for everyone.
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Yeah, because, you know, OP does mention they're in therapy, working through it. You know, there's a lot here. There's a lot of comments from OP. And we would be here for another hour on just this story if I went through them all. Okay. So the link will be in the description if you want to dive in and really do a little sleuthing on your own.
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And I swear to God, they put laxatives in it because my stomach was bad after that.
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But, you know, it's clear that OP is trying to do the work and trying to go through therapy and trying to just, you know, keep her family together. Yeah. because she loves everyone and sometimes you just can't do that but yeah it's i mean it's a huge loss like you kind of said lauren it's just it's really tough but but we're gonna move along okie dokie Okay, are we ready for this next one? Duh.
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Yes. Yes, queen. Ah. So this is coming from r slash relationship advice, five days old. It is not safe for work, everyone. So if you are one of our little work friends sitting in your cubicle playing this on blast,
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But this next story does have that warning. So I got to give it. Okay.
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So this next one is titled, My 31 female husband, 33 male, and I haven't been the same since he moaned something strange during sex. How do I approach this? throwaway account because people we know use Reddit and I don't want them to know about our sex life. My husband and I have been married for almost two years now and nothing like this has happened in our relationship before.
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We've always been very open with each other and we both like to hash out problems before they escalate. One of the first things that drew me to him was his brutal honesty. We also have or had a pretty regular and healthy sex life, never having problems with infidelity or anything of a similar vein. In short, our relationship is more or less perfect. Until the other night.
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That was the worst sound I've ever heard in my life. But if you want to do it again, you can. Do it again.
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My husband and I were going at it when he said something pretty strange. Everything was normal until I heard him moan, Hooby Dooby.
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At first, I thought that I had misheard him, but no. He completely froze and looked mortified. I was just confused. Mood ruined. Scooby-dooby-doo. I asked him about it, but all he did was take his pillow and leave. I knew he was going to go sleep on the couch, which isn't something he's had to do since we first moved in together. Not going to get into that.
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We spent the night apart and in the morning went about our routines as normal. When he got home from work, I tried to bring it up, but he pretended not to hear me and kept watching TV. It's been a couple of days and I haven't brought it up since. However, there's been an air of awkwardness between us and I don't think we can truly move past this without discussing it.
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I was hoping he'd be the one to bring it up first, but that hasn't been the case. I don't know what Hoobie Doobie means. I have theories about maybe it being an anime character as he enjoys watching that kind of stuff. But to me, it doesn't sound like someone's name. If anyone knows what or who Hoobie Doobie is or has any ideas on how to approach this with him, please let me know. Thank you.
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No, that's crazy. That's crazy. I mean, if you search Hubie Doobie character, the only thing that comes up is Scoobert Scooby-Doo, which I had no idea his name was Scoobert.
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I mean, this is so interesting. I'm like, where did this come from? I'm going to change the word character to anime.
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Sounds like an Adam Sandler movie. It would seem like it'd be an Adam Sandler thing. Like, hooby dooby, smoke that joint. Like, I don't know. It is giving that.
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But no, anime is usually always cartoon. So I don't know what this is.
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Sounds like it works. Yeah. it is a shortened version of animation nice look at that nice yeah but that's why i think it'd be a stretch to think that he would have like an anime love i mean it's a cartoon but he likes to watch that i don't know the thing nothing nothing comes up when i type hoobie doobie anime so i don't know it's so interesting he moaned it too just like
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The top comment on this one, is your husband a sim? Oh, I'm so glad someone else had this thought. The next comment says, I was thinking has a secret sims fetish, but yours is more fun. Is this something they say on sims?
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Shoo-bee-doo-bee, in the context of The Sims, is likely a reference to the nonsensical language spoken by the characters, known as Simlish.
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But he also said, he said, hoo-bee-doo-bee. But I don't know, maybe simlish, it's all the same. I'm not a simser. I don't know. I'm sorry, guys.
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I don't know what that is. I was really, really dorky and I played... The horse game. The horse game. Well, I played Horseland and then Horseland blew up and they sold and made it into a TV show. But I played Horseland when it was literally just an online game like Club Penguin. And then there was another one called Equiverse. Nice. Super weird. Oh, my God.
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okay look at him coming over the hill i think honestly they should hire you for this role because you do it better okay i got my tissues over here because i'm ending with a story today that i already know i will be losing my tear ducts over that's why you got the tissues Well, I was laughing really hard and I just I needed to make sure I didn't look crazy. But now I'm prepared for later.
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That's so funny. A lot of other comments from people mostly getting into simlish language. That was a good one.
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It reminds me of you in Germany. Don't do that. That Peter Griffin meme. Nope, don't do that. When he tries to speak French.
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Mm-hmm. It was a good time. Someone else goes, maybe he just really loves this song. And they link a song that is titled Ooby Dooby by Roy Orbison.
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This is getting really stretched out. But why when, like, Opie tried to bring it up, why did he get so weird about it? Embarrassed. Hey, admit it. His secret boyfriend?
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Yeah, I can't stand the heat. Get out the kitchen. Are we fighting? Yeah. That's kind of cute. Did you hear that? We have an update?
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First of all, I'd like to say thank you for all the helpful and funny comments. They showed me the humor in this situation. Now, the moment you've all been waiting for. What is Hoobie Doobie? Last night after dinner, I sat down with my husband and I brought it up. I reassured him that it was nothing to be embarrassed about and that I was just curious.
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He was reluctant to share at first, but it didn't take long for him to open up. For context, my husband is in a bowling league, and he goes bowling with his friends every other week. While he does this, I stay home and have some of my girlfriends over, so I don't know much about what goes on. As it turns out, he's been thinking of bowling to stop himself from arriving early.
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And hooby-dooby is his bowling catchphrase. Oh, my God. Which isn't something that I knew existed. This is so good. We could have never guessed this. At first, I was surprised, but then it turned out to be hilarious and we both laughed about it. Safe to say, I've never loved this man more. Also, it wasn't Hoobie Doobie that compelled me to make this post. It was his reaction.
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I would never let the words Hoobie Doobie ruin our wonderful marriage. Again, I can't thank you all enough for the kind words. Hoobie Doobie to all and to all a good night.
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I've never heard of a bowling catchphrase. We were literally just bowling a couple nights ago. Yeah.
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You were a bridesmaid. Bridesmaid? Bridesmaid. I was a breadmaid. Breadmaiden.
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But what would your bowling catchphrase be if you had one? Hoobie doobie. Well, now. No, it would be... Noodles is wasted. Mine would be Lightning McQueen's ka-chow. No, it'd be the...
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Oh my gosh. My little Shopify ad. Ka-ching. That probably would be. I love that. Cha-ching. What's yours?
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Okay. This first one is coming from Am I the Asshole? It is four hours old. Titled, Am I the Asshole for refusing to pay my friend after my ferret attacked her $900 dress? Why would a ferret do such a thing? So I, 29 female, have a pet ferret, Noodles. He's super friendly and curious, and I let him free roam when I'm home.
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Yes, it does. They sent these two robots down, right? And these robots spent like hours and hours. I think it was like 28 hours like recording the Titanic in LiDAR. So then they could then take the data and like they made this room with screens 100 feet tall to like make it real. Guess what they named these two robots? What? Romeo and Juliet. Jack and Rose was right there. Oh, my God.
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Moving on. Yeah, we're not. I want to be. I don't want to be mean today. So we're going to we're going to move. We're going to go next. We're going to be mean to who? Haven't you seen the memes about like that space thing? No?
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I will. There's a video of Jeff Bezos running around the space capsule and he falls. It's so funny. But again, I'm trying to be nicer today. I don't know. Anyways, moving along. I'm going to pat my eyes now. Okay, this next one. It's coming from AITAH, six days old.
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It is titled, Am I the asshole for faking a haunted house to get my boyfriend to move out because he refused to leave after we broke up? I, 28 female, broke up with my boyfriend, Steve, 31 male, six months ago. We had been living together and after the breakup, I gave him plenty of time to find a new place. He kept saying things like, quote, I just need a little more time.
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The market's crazy and I can't find a place that allows ferrets. More ferrets? He doesn't have a ferret. I don't know why he said that. He read the other story. He wants noodles to come over and hang out. Fast forward to month six, and this man is still leaving beard trimmings in the sink and playing Skyrim until 3 a.m. I was losing it. So naturally, I decided to haunt my own apartment. Hell yeah.
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Brilliant. I started small. Whispers through the vents. Flickering lights. I bought an old porcelain doll from Facebook Marketplace and moved it to different locations every night. I whispered, get out, Steven, into my phone, slowed it down 800% and made it play from inside the walls via a Bluetooth speaker.
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I even got my friend who does special effects makeup to pretend to be a Victorian child ghost in the hallway mirror. Steve started losing sleep. He saged the place, bought holy water, and started talking to the doll like it was real. Then one night, he packed a bag, looked me dead in the eyes, and said, quote, the spirits have chosen you. I can't fight them anymore. And he left. Goodbye, Steve.
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He's now living with his sister. I've reclaimed my space. The doll is in my closet and sometimes I still whisper at it for fun. Now here's where it gets spicy. Steve found out it was me. My friend posted behind the scenes pics of the ghost makeup on her Instagram. He saw it and messaged me a very long paragraph calling me a manipulative monster with a flair for the theatrical. It's a cute name.
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My friend Kara, 28 female, fake name, came over last weekend for wine night with a few of our other friends. She showed up wearing this very extra silk dress, said she had a date after, and didn't have time to change. I told her maybe not the best outfit for a casual girls' night, but whatever.
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Which, honestly, was kind of flattering. Yeah. My friends are divided. Half say I'm a genius and deserve a Netflix deal. The other half say I should have just kicked him out the normal way and that gaslighting via ghosts might be ethically questionable. Whatever. So, am I the asshole for faking a full-on haunting to evict my emotionally clingy ex? No.
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There was one thing. I was literally like staring at the screen and you came in and you like hit no tip for me. And I forget where that was because I was just like staring. I was like, there's so many percentages, so many options. I didn't see a way out of it. And Justin's like watching over my shoulder and he just hits the button. Oh my God. And then you like...
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Yeah, dude. I, as someone who feels they've had a paranormal experience.
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That was that one like was life changing for me. I'm like, there's no doubt spirits are real after that one. So scary. Terrifying. When you see lights flicker and hear footsteps down a hall.
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It's fine. We got a free place anyway. We did. It was very nice. Very nice. Very nice. Yeah. I don't know. Ghosts are really scary. I feel like she could have opened a portal. This... This might have been a little risky to do. A little risky.
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I don't think the asshole. I think he had six months and he was not trying to leave. He was waiting for you to rekindle the flame.
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Before I read the top comment, what's your overall vote? Asshole, not the asshole? Wait, I want to know what people are going to say. Definitely not. They're going to say not the asshole. Mine's not the asshole. Top comment at this point in time has been deleted. But I do have screenshots and it did say, you're not the asshole. He had six months to move out and still didn't get the hint.
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Well, at one point, she gets up to go to the kitchen, and Noodles, being the menace he is, bolts towards her and jumps up. His little claws snag the back of her dress, and it tears maybe a half-inch slit. She screams, freaks out, and runs into the bathroom sobbing. The whole vibe died instantly.
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If he's emotionally clingy enough to stay in a breakup for that long, a little paranormal push doesn't sound too over the top. He'll have plenty of time to reflect with his spirits while living at his sister's. Next comment down, OP better be careful though. By pretending that her house is haunted, she risks offending the ghosts who are already there.
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I recommend using a Ouija board to communicate with the real ghosts and make sure they are okay with the fake ghosts.
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Do you remember the story we had? It was on Father Knows Something, our other podcast that we do with my dad. If you guys don't know, come over and listen. But we did a spooky episode and one of our listeners like actually can really like connect with spirits and made a Ouija board to connect with like a past grandparent of theirs or a friend.
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And they said that you're actually not supposed to use the Ouija board from like the store. You're supposed to make your Ouija board so that every time you use it, you burn it or like discard of it. So like the spirits can't cling to it. So if anyone out there has a Ouija board, you shouldn't be using that one. You should be making one every time.
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I think Alejandra's played with one in the past and she felt it move.
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But I think it was only her and one other person. And they both were like, I really did not move that. Like the spirit moved it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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You... Are going to go and meet with a spiritualist and you can go on a Ouija board field trip with them.
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Spirits are out there, y'all. If you've played with a Ouija board, tell us in the comments. Tell us your story. Moving on. Okay, Rocket Power. Is that what they sound like? I mean, yeah. Okay. This one is coming from rslashadvice. It is 11 hours old. Titled, Boyfriend told me I'm rushing him into marriage after five years of dating. Okay.
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I felt bad, but also like you wore a $900 dress to drink boxed wine on my carpet with a literal ferret present. Anyways, she sends me a Venmo request later that night for $920. Apparently, the dress is some vintage designer and the repair requires special fabric sourcing. You could buy a new one for that price? I declined the request. She sent it again. I declined again. Oh, love this cuddiness.
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My boyfriend, male 31, and I, female 26, have been together for five years. We bought a house together three and a half years ago. Everything is joint, bank accounts, car insurance, etc. We had a conversation a few weeks ago about getting married, and he told me that he doesn't like to feel rushed.
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The last time we talked about this was in September, and he told me that we'd be engaged in less than six months. Obviously, that didn't happen. So now I don't know what to do. Our relationship is perfect otherwise. We usually communicate really well. He's very attentive and loving. We still go out together and have date nights. He's told me many times before that he wants to marry me.
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I just don't understand why he won't propose. So my question is, how do I approach this topic again? Or should I even bring it up? Justin?
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We had a conversation. You were like, you know, everyone in my life, like everyone's gotten divorced. So like marriage is like kind of like this big thing that's like kind of scary. Like my parents, my aunt and uncle, like everyone has gotten divorced.
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Yeah, so that's why he was hesitant but yet was still saying, like, no, this is what I want. Like, it is important, but, like, he was so nervous for that because almost like that, where it's like when you go from boyfriend and girlfriend to then married, what if it changes and what if it gets bad because everything I've seen is bad? Right.
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So maybe it is a little bit of that, but, like, after five years... owning a house together. They've owned the house for three and a half years, meaning they bought the house a year and a half into dating. Huge. Yeah. Joint accounts. Everything's joint. Girl, you better start putting some money in your own account right now because that's ridiculous. No. But I don't know.
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Now she's telling everyone I'm irresponsible and letting my rodent ruin people's things. She even told our group chat that I let Noodles drink wine. He just sniffed the glass one time.
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There's something that's goofy, but it seems like every time she tries to approach it, it's like, I don't want to feel rushed. But it's like, but you said six months. Like, just don't lie to me because then it feels like I can't trust you. Yeah. And I feel disappointed. And, like, feeling disappointed by something your partner does or says, like, that just is not a fun feeling. For sure.
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There's a comment here from someone with 1.2K upvotes. Dude will be two years into raising their second child and be like, don't want to rush it. Yeah. Next comment down. This sounds like my coworker, and they've been together for 15 years now.
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Next comment down. Yeah, I got a coworker who has been with her boyfriend for 18 years. She swears anyway he will propose. Five years is long enough. If he wanted to propose, he would have already, I feel like. And this is a very... This is a hot topic.
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Because you know how many videos I see of girls like like breaking up because they're at like year three, year four, year five, year six, seven, eight, whatever. A decent amount of time. And then they're like crying on social media, which is valid. But they're like, we broke up and he proposed to the next girl within six months. Like I was with him for five years and I wasn't enough.
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But then she was six months and he proposed. And this is that theory where like, You can be with someone, right? And someone has like 80% of what you're looking for, but 80% isn't a hundred. So you're like, ah, I don't want that. It's not a hundred. It's not right. I'm not going to propose. So you break up. And then the next person you date has that 20% that was missing. And then they propose.
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Well, I mean, there's something holding him back. But there's also people that live by, like, why are you giving wifey privileges without wifey status? Like, you should only be giving girlfriend privileges if you're only girlfriend. Yeah. No, I've seen that trend. That was funny. We've talked about it before. Like, Alejandra and I, I think, talked about it in an episode.
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But, like, it's kind of that, where it's like... Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free? No. What? Yeah, I don't know. What? What's that saying? I don't know. It's like you're already getting everything. You're living this married life. why change anything? What's the incentive?
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My other friends are split. Some say I should pay at least something. Noodles was wasted. That menace. Others say Kara's being dramatic. Then today her lawyer sent me a letter saying I'm liable for damages. Oh my God. I literally laughed out loud. Like what judge is going to look at me and say, quote, yes, pay $900 because your ferret got excited about silk.
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And then you get in your head and you're like, but you shouldn't have to be incentivized to get married because then that's not right. So maybe he's just not your person. If it's something that's important to you.
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Well, I guess these were the answers I was expecting. LOL. One, no, we don't have kids. Two, we make roughly the same amount of money. Three, marriage isn't a deal breaker for me. Just confused on why he says he wants to and then doesn't. Four, joining bank accounts was a decision made with the insight of my dad. Probably not the best advice, I'll be honest, LOL. No, it is not.
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And go put money in your own account. And then mortgage expenses and shared expenses in a joint. Thank you. Five, bought the house because we got a great deal. Six, our relationship is good. Thank you all for the replies. Negative two upvotes right now. Someone replies back to OP. If he wanted to, he would. Next comment down.
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Well, he has all the perks of a live-in maid and cook, even if he pitches in. It's still not doing everything himself like he would need to. He's got a place to live that I bet neither of you could afford by yourselves. And he's got dink money, dual income, no kids. You two are basically roommates with privileges. This almost never turns out the way you are hoping.
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You are not living in a Hallmark movie. You two need to have a very civil, very adult conversation.
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Yeah, it's more so the false promises, which is what I have a problem with. I think for me, I have a problem with people when they say they're going to do something and then they don't. And it just feels like such a letdown. And maybe that's on me and my trauma, but I'm triggered. Hmm.
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I've been calling my mom. I called my mom every day this week and I'm like, hey, did you talk to your friend about the beer donkey and the camel? And she's like, she's not calling me back. And I'm like, this is why I feel like I can't depend on anyone. I have to do everything myself. It's my my trauma. I'm like, I need the beer burrow. This is my bridezilla moment. Where's my beer donkey?
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No. I'll just buy my own donkey. They're not expensive. And then do what with it? It'll live at our house. with noodles. I'm not getting a ferret. I want noodles. Opie does have a few more comments here. I think it's more so the not sticking to his word is what I'm bothered by. Don't get me wrong.
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I want to get married, but I think I could look past it if he would straight up tell me he doesn't want to get married. I always get an answer of one day or eventually, like, just tell me that you don't want to get married and then let's move on. But you just said... It wasn't a deal breaker. I want to get married. OP, right here. You just said, don't get me wrong. I want to get married.
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But you're also saying it's not a deal breaker. I think that still works. I don't know. OP also adds, I never said anything about wanting a wedding, but we've already talked about that. My dad owns land. Gonna have a little thing out there. Potluck situation with our families. Alcohol, some music. Definitely less than what we spent to buy a house. LOL. Which she's not wanting much. Yeah.
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So he just doesn't want to marry you. And if you do want to get married, why? Why settle? Why settle? Do we have updates? No updates. No updates. OP's account is ironically titled Fuck Me Sideways, Bro.
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Seems like a real account. OP shared a picture of their cat. Very cute black cat with bright yellow eyes. They look yellow to me. Very cute cat though.
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I love black cats. That is an old man. That's not a cat. I love a black cat. Dude, people need to stop making those AIs of their animals. It is creepy, disgusting. Oh my God, I saw one of the best ones the other day. I don't want to see what your dog looks like as a human. I need to show you.
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But moving on to our last story of the night. Oakley Doakley. Howdy, neighbor. Hooby Dooby. Are we ready?
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Yes, I do have tissues ready. I will try to get through this. I'm reading this with a point today. See, when you prep me, I probably won't cry. Okay, well... If you wanted tears, you probably just lost them. No, I really do want to keep it together. Strong now. I don't love crying during these stories, but... They're very emotional sometimes.
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I want to read this story because I think there's so much amazing, amazing support and love in this community. And I think this person could really use some. So this is coming from our very own Too Hot Takes subreddit. It's 18 days old. It does not fit today's theme. But again, putting it in because I want to. Bonus.
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It is titled, I'm 34, I'm dying, and I'm fucking terrified. I have terminal brain cancer. I'm not even sure I want to say what kind. Doesn't matter. It's the kind that wins. Doctors are saying months, maybe less if things go south fast. I've tried to keep it together for my wife, my daughter. She's not even three yet. My parents and friends. But I don't think I've ever been this scared in my life.
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People keep saying, stay strong or just take it one day at a time. But how the fuck do you do that when every day is just one step closer to leaving the people you love behind? I look at my daughter and I wonder if she'll remember me at all. That's the part that's breaking me the most. Will she remember how I made her pancakes? I said I wasn't going to cry. Oh, God.
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How I did that dumb little bunny voice that always made her giggle? Or is she just going to grow up with photos and a couple of videos and that's it? I watch my wife trying to be strong and holding it together for everyone, and I know she cries in the bathroom so I won't hear her. We haven't really talked about the end. We sort of pretend it's not real. Or we talk in practicalities.
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Paperwork, insurance, what she'll need to do when I'm gone, but not about it. The actual not being here anymore. I'm scared of the pain, yeah, but more than that, I'm scared of missing everything. Her first day of school. Her reading her first book. Her falling in love. Why did I do this to myself every time? I want to be there so badly, it physically hurts.
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I don't even know what I want from writing this. I guess I just needed to say it out loud. I'm not strong. I'm not brave. I'm just a dad who's dying and doesn't want to leave his little girl behind. Thanks for reading. That's heartbreaking. It is heartbreaking. But I think there's so, so, so much you can do with your time. There's so much like you can do as far as like
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Legacy building and writing letters to her for big events. First day of kindergarten. High school graduation. College graduation. First day of college. That's tough. Her wedding day. You know, if she has kids. Her first little one. You got fired. What do you do next? Think of any life event that you've just needed to hug your parent and cry on their shoulder.
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And write a letter for any of those events. There's so much you can do. Record videos. Record your voice. Just give her anything and everything you can. And I would really use the time to just build a legacy. And just spend time with your family. And something I really want to do. And something I really wish we would have done.
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for my mom's partner who she lost is i wish we would have had a funeral with him when he was here like a true celebration of life get your friends and family together and have them bring pictures and put on funny slide shows about their favorite memories and like truly embrace this time you have left with your people yeah because nothing nothing we say
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Sure, shit, not anything I say is going to make this better or easier. I'm so sorry you're going through this, but I'm sure people are going to have a lot of things to say in the comments and support for you. But I needed to make sure, as brutal as that probably was to listen to, that your story got out there.
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Yeah, life is short. Life is short and you just need to appreciate every single day.
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And the comments are amazing community. They were on it as well. Top comment. Start writing letters for your daughter and wife and your wife for big milestones like grad turning certain areas, making videos for your daughter, reading bedtime stories with special books. That is amazing. I hope your journey is an easy one. Next comment, sobbing. This is such a great idea. Wedding video.
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Put something together so you can walk her down the aisle, like a necklace or something she can wear. Get her jewelry with your handwriting on it. Record your voice telling stories to her about her life. The pancakes. Make a video of you in your kitchen making pancakes, talking about the recipe. Have her there with you in the video.
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I'd record everything. I mean, there's... There's a 3D camera. You have. It's a 3D camera. Literally record this. It's not even an expensive camera.
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VR camera. OP, if you can't afford it, I'm going to send you a message. So if you're hearing your story, please look at your messages. But we can get you this VR camera and you can literally record yourself just walking down like a straight line. By the time she's getting married... Who knows what fucking technology we'll have. Maybe she can have literally a hologram.
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They could have dinner together. They could go to the store together. Like, I think record everything you can. Have you ever heard, too, that...
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I know. There's something I've actually been working on with my grandma too. And there's a couple of different companies that do this, but I think it'd be really important to also write your story down. There's journals that'll prompt you with questions that you don't know that you would even think about, but she'll want to know both. She'll want to know your time together.
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She'll want to know your story, how you met her mom, what dating was like, everything. Just try to do as much as you're able to. I get you're dealing with a lot and Everything like that.
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The bucket list of it all. Yeah. The bucket list. I went skydiving. That song. That song's a good one. But I did just try to message OP and account has been suspended.
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I have no further explanation except Reddit has suspended this account.
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So OP, if you're out there listening, please send Justin a DM on Instagram. He sees his DMs, actually. I would love to make sure you can get a VR camera or one of these journals or something that you find meaningful. So please send us a message. But thank you all so, so, so much for being here. Another episode, another week.
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Please, please, please go to the comments and share any thoughts you have for these writers and especially our last one. I will be sure to include all the links in the description. But as you know, account for the last one has been suspended. So I'm sure they'll be watching and looking and support like this when the community comes together behind you. We've seen it again in story after story.
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These OPs do appreciate it. They do feel it. So I know you guys will come through on this one.
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I mean, I feel like this is a tough one because it's like, did the friend know the ferret existed? Probably. The OP kind of implied it. If she didn't and wore this dress for going on a date and whatever, then I'd be kind of annoyed where it's like, I didn't know you had a ferret. Yeah, for sure. I didn't know I shouldn't wear a dress. I didn't expect a ferret to latch onto my silk.
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It's just like... This person's a bitch. No tip. Oh, man. I know. I think this is a great way to segue because we do recognize, you know, that sometimes tipping is necessary. You know, if you make your own fro-yo and you're the one scooping, maybe you don't tip. Maybe you don't tip for a self-serve beer. But it seems like... You know, there's a lot of people out there in this big world.
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I don't think you're entitled to pay for the whole dress. You should definitely pay for the repair.
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If that's sewing it up, whatever. Like, I don't know what they do. This sounds really bougie. But you should definitely try to make it right. But the whole value of the dress, no. But I'd love for some lawyers to chime in because I bet that that girl could actually take OP to court. It might be a Judge Judy court. Yeah. But I think OP would lose.
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I know. I mean, the friendship is probably not gonna survive after this. I'm curious, because it's so hard, because if she went to that restaurant for her date and a server spilled red wine on her, the restaurant would pay for dry cleaning if it didn't come out. I think they would replace the dress. Probably. So, your friend...
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A restaurant or like when I was a flight attendant, if you spilled on someone, we'd pay for dry cleaning for their stuff and then replace it. So it is tough. If you have renter's insurance, you could let your renter's insurance pay for it if you want to save your friendship. But also at the same time, like... You were kind of silly to wear a $900 dress over to my house knowing I have a ferret.
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That's kind of on you. Like, you took the risk. If a stranger on the street bumped in you and spilled on you, there's no way you'd get money from that stranger. Like, that's kind of the risk you assume when you wear nice things out. But that could be my way of thinking, and that might not be logical.
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He sniffed it. Yeah. Question mark, question mark, question mark. Yeah. So we do have some comments from OP. Okay. Top comment. Info. Did she know that Noodles was a free roaming ferret before she came over? I.e. Has she been over before and seen him free roaming? No. Yes, we've been friends for a decade now. She's met Noodles several times and knows the vibe.
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And I had a jacket. But he like remembers that. I've never thought to ask a guy that I've dated if they remember what I was wearing when they first met me.
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Well, and I've dated both. And like, it wasn't, it wasn't like one was better than the other because they noticed things. It was just like one just,
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noticed things just all like was just very detail oriented that's the way that his brain worked and then the other one was like showed love in a different way but like didn't notice things like wouldn't notice if i'd cut off four inches of my hair yeah so um i don't know it is it is interesting like obviously it's nice this is a different situation though because this is something where it's like if somebody is wearing something every single day that's kind of nuts like how how
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And he points to me like he could see my earrings and then he saw that you can't. He's like, nevermind.
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That's true. You have complimented my earrings before, but also nothing else.
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I got so many compliments. If you're listening, so many people complimented those. I wore them at so many live shows. So thank you.
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I've always been different. And I've talked about this before, I think even last year on the podcast. But when I was little growing up, I would wake up and my mom would have the entire kitchen decorated. And there was just hearts everywhere. There was a nice breakfast. Everything was pink and red. I would dress up in pink and red.
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I keep picturing a diaper shaped earring me too thank you no the first time you said this story I was like I thought this story was going in an opposite way like I thought she had some weird fetish where she wanted to wear a diaper every single day and she was mad that he didn't notice yeah Huggies the brand honey you've been taking off my diaper for three years you don't know I wear them
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Yeah, it just it just tripped me up for a second. But we were back. We were back right away. It's totally fine.
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Call me materialistic. That's not superficial. That's just like... A card?
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Yeah. And that's what I'm like. There's different love languages, right? Like like gift giving like comes naturally to some people. But like if it is a birthday and it's like a special day for your partner and you know your partner like wants to have like feel this romance and you're like, I just can't do it for you. It's unnatural. It's unnatural. Then then you should just know. Yeah.
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And then in the middle of the day, she would come to my school and put like a huge bouquet of all these fun Valentine's Day things in my locker. That's so cute. And she'd always write your secret admirer. So people in my school would be like, who gave that to you? And I'd be like, I don't know. It says secret admirer. I wonder. Yeah. But so I don't know.
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It's making each other happy. And when you're in a romantic relationship like that, like you got to make those compromises or you got to find different partners because it's.
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Yeah. Yeah. Good matches. Mm hmm. I don't know who would be down to not even get a birthday card from their partner on their birthday. But I'm sure that there's people out there that are down for that.
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Yeah, but I'm like, do something nice for your partner on a birthday. A gesture. Yeah, whether it's like taking them out or a card or balloons or like a nice present or just like a birthday cake or whatever it is. Like, you got to do something for your partner.
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wonderful feeling around uh the holiday because so many of it was like my mom making it just fun a fun way to like celebrate colors and just get in the groove of things and and then also like i've had a lot of really fun um galentine's days so see that's different that's that's different and guys don't do that as much so and i really should yeah because like guys should go do that it would be called though
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I had so many thoughts along the way and now I'm just kind of speechless. Oops.
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But it makes you wonder if he's doing drugs because where would he come up with that? That's what I'm thinking. Where does that come from?
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Well, also, I think people sometimes just can't tell my voice apart from everyone else's voice.
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roundabout way of like getting the heat off of you yeah when you didn't even need to like because it is interesting because i did um i can't remember if it was like a podcast or article i listened to a long time ago where they were talking about how yes sometimes and a lot of times drunk words are sober thoughts but also once a person hits the point of blackout it's actually just like
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Can be a random like accumulation of words. It's really like it's nonsensical. And so that's why I'm like, I don't know, maybe maybe it was absolutely out of nowhere, just like a random dream that you don't have control of. But it does make you like it feels like projection and it feels like that would make sense. And it's also just, it's so confusing. Like, is this something he's done before?
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Galentine's, yeah. But so I like all the decorations. I think the decorations make it fun. I also do think that it's like more tailored to girls. So in terms of like, I think as my boyfriend feels more pressure...
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Is a pattern? I'm I'm, is this out of absolutely nowhere? Is this a one time, like a one time thing or?
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He called her a bad mom. That's like that's so messed up because it was a newborn. That was the first time. Right. First time. Oh, God, that's brutal.
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doing something nice for me on valentine's day rather than the pressure that i feel like to do something nice for him like you know i don't know so maybe maybe that's why you have more of a yeah i mean morgan did give me no flowers
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I do think that you make a good point, though, Morgan. It's like... Tolerance with alcohol is always, it varies so often because there are times where I can have a certain amount of drinks and I feel so sober. And then the other time I have the same amount of drinks and I feel so drunk. So it's really weird.
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It depends on so many different factors and that's why alcohol, you have to be more careful. And so in this situation, that's why I'm curious, is this a theme of him? And it's not, it doesn't make it okay what happened, but I'm just wondering if it's like, Did his tolerance change because he was with his baby all the time?
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He wasn't drinking and he thought he could still drink this amount, but he couldn't. And then he just, you know, just spiraled out of control. Like, that's why I'm wondering what we're... dealing with.
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Right. And then all of a sudden. That's what I was thinking, too. I'm like, I don't know if it was malicious right before the concert. I don't think it. I don't think someone that, like, blacked out could plan that. Just bad timing.
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Where were we before that? We were at a venue. Was that at the music venue? A restaurant in Santa Monica. Interesting. Yeah. Because I dated somebody who was roofied and he was, again, buying drinks for girls and like the craziest stuff. He like thought he thought his dog was stolen. Like he broke his own door down. It was like it was so bad. And then he like.
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thankfully um unthankfully and thankfully he ended up like getting arrested but um he was hurt so he was in the hospital and they did his blood work and saw that somebody had roofies in his blood so it was yeah and that's so unlike him he would never bang down a door yeah kicking in someone else's door because he thought his dog was getting yeah yeah yeah like it yeah but op like looking at the comments again like
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Yeah. Divorce. Divorce. Divorce. Divorce. Yeah. I would literally have lawyers confiscate all of his stuff and try to get all of those deleted because that is that's terrifying. It's so terrifying.
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That's so messed up. And then in that video, the ex may send that to probably all of the friends.
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Yeah. And like, oh, that just- It's so violating. That is so violating. It's so not okay. I just- This one's done. That's just so disturbing. He's, yeah, there's no coming back from that.
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I think you could definitely go after him for doing this. He needs to be in trouble for that. It's not okay.
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Yeah. No, he's disturbing. Like there's something got to go. Absolutely wrong.
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absolutely wrong i i totally agree that's why i'm like instead of like taking all of the devices and trying to like delete it all myself i would be like i'm gonna get a lawyer involved so like oh i don't know how that works but i hope there's justice because that is so messed up top comment on this one this is abuse and also illegal i could never trust my husband again if he did that to me this is grounds for divorce
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Well, for Alejandro's birthday, when we were in Aspen, I'm like, we're all sitting in the living room, like in a circle, just talking about random things. But like, we're getting like deep with each other. We're like sharing like personal things. And there's a camera that's just like right at us that's on like, and I'm like.
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Like I'm sure they're just trying to make sure there's no like damages because the camera was like big where it's not like a sneaky one. But like but I'm like it makes me feel uncomfortable knowing that they have this like footage of us like sharing like personal stories with each other.
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They do. I know when I watch TikTok sometimes because sometimes I see something kind of funny and I want to like take a picture of it. And I'm way too nervous to take a photo of it. I don't want anyone to see that I'm taking a photo of something that I found funny, like a sign or something. And other people I see on TikTok are just like in each other's face, recording each other.
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And I'm like, I don't know how you guys do that. Like I'm. They're brazen. I'm like, I'm too nervous to take picture of a funny sign that someone probably wants me to take a picture of. But I'm like, I don't want to.
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Absolutely not. I'm sorry. If that was a thing, that doesn't matter. That doesn't mean that you get to do what he did. That's not okay.
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I don't care if she literally talked about the intimacy that she had with her ex every single day. That would make her shitty, yes. But that does not mean that you can do something like that to a person. He could have left. He could have broken up with her. He could have got divorced. There's no excuse for this behavior. Zero.
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And you guys know I love to poke holes in things, ask so many questions, try to understand. We're curious, guys. Yeah, we're very curious. I just, even if I already am like, it's an automatic no, I like to ask questions anyway, just out of curiosity. But with this one, I'm like, no.
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Don't you hate when you watch a movie where they just like throw the phone in the water because they're pissed? And I'm like, no, keep the evidence.
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Yeah. I like looking at the DMs to see how his sisters are doing. Sure. Be honest, you were creeping.
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I don't find it to be wrong specifically when he literally said go into my Instagram. Like if you're going to say that, then you have to accept that they might see something on your Instagram. So I'm not like at all judging or anything. I was just, I'm just saying like, we all like to kind of like take a little peep. Yeah. If it's right in front of you. Yeah, sure. What is what is what's he up to?
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Who's he talking to? You know, like I don't imagine like somebody just being like, I'm going to look at the DMs of like his two sisters. I feel like it's probably just kind of like, oh, what are what are the DMs looking like? Not not because she like thought that he was doing anything, but just out of pure curiosity.
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I don't think I've looked at Brian's, but I did look at his. Oh, no, no, no. I did. I did look at his DMs one time when he gave me his phone.
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It's like, ma'am, he can't see you. It's just the craziest thing. It's like you're literally here for Morgan's show. And then you're going to say that to her fiance. That's pretty wild. Hey, people are shooting the shot, you know? She wants to be the new host.
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Still Morgan's show, but she doesn't know that. The show would go on. Whoa. Whoa. Oh, wait. I should also clarify, too. Brian has told me that I can look at his DMs and phone anytime I ever want, and I've just never taken him up on that because I didn't care to.
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But I had his phone, and we were in Hawaii, and I was in the back of a car, and there was these floaties, and they were stuffing me in the back.
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and he like asked me to hold his phone and so i was like cut off from them and i'm just bored and i just opened his phone and was like something to do yeah just just peeped there's nothing interesting little little peep little peep just like pokemon and stuff i know it's an issue i need to like take him to like a pokemon like pokemon go is okay it's just a lot he just like people move in it's just i know but he's just like addicted he needs to tone it down a little bit
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And it's just so sweet. Like I just said, my really good memories of Valentine's Day started with my mom when I was growing up. Mm hmm.
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Don't divorce over that. Forcing someone onto your kink, that's abusive. That's not okay in any circumstance. And the fact that he was like, oh, I felt like it was the only way that I could do it without you knowing. So he knew that she would not like that. She knew that it grossed her out. So it's like that didn't help. That didn't help his case. That just made it worse.
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And I'm like, is this like, What what is it that could drive someone to take their kink that far that they do something like that? That's just so awful. Do you want to drink your own piss? Why don't you drink your own piss? Why doesn't he just does he do it for himself? Why don't, like, what?
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And like the hair lady was just like, yeah. And it feels like she's like forcing her kink upon you guys. That's what it felt like.
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That doesn't even come natural. Like when... You have to, like, expel those moans. It's not like a, like, ah, I'm scared type of reaction. No, it's not a startle. Like, you gotta put thought into that. You think about it.
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I have a relative who will say, and it's really not a big deal, but I have a relative who will be like, oh my gosh, the food is so good. You'll literally moan when you eat it. And I'm like, the relative doesn't moan or anything. Oh, but some people do moan when they take a bite.
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as they're eating an ick and I don't think that the relative means it like in a weird way or anything but like even even that word I'm like maybe a different word maybe a different word moan moan the word moan is like inherently sexual yeah oh I was moaning over it
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And, and I'm like, maybe, maybe during like that time period, because relatives like a little older, maybe it was more normal, but like, even I'm just like, I'm like, I just, I feel like maybe we can use a different word.
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Were they from the South or what was that? They spelled it urine. Okay. You don't know what you're in for? U-R-I-N-E. Urine. I just love when you say mum. Mum. When you read how it looks.
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Imagine if she went her entire life, like she's literally like 105 years old and she's sipping her piss coffee every single morning.
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That's what they say, though. They say every time there's this breakthrough, amazing, awesome technology, there's always the bad that people will use to take advantage. Always. Yeah.
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The person just turns and looks at you slowly. You guys got to stop eating dairy. How do you know I'm talking about myself? I don't have a lot of dairy. That's the thing. I'm talking about other people and movies and myself. Just kidding. What should she do? I mean, I feel like I need more context because how long have they been dating? Is it new? Do we have any context around that?
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You know what I mean? I just think you guys are so hilarious because like you guys are just like two of the most open people. And so the fact that the fact that you guys like have this like fart thing is just interesting. It's so funny.
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i'm kidding if brian walked in the door yeah oh my god no brian though this is what i'm i'm like i'm asking about context because sometimes like i jokingly will be mad at brian for farting like this doesn't seem like a joke okay but it's like but i act mad but i'm like also joking does that make sense i'm like how could you do that and our place of rest is
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I'm like, go outside and think about what you did. But I'm being playful, so that's why I'm wondering if all the context behind this.
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I mean, this is... not to sound weird, but like farting is such a big part of a human's life. Like I just looked it up and the average human farts five to 15 times a day.
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So to be worried about that every single day that you're going to accidentally fart in front of your partner when you have a light, when you have kids with them, what happens when she, like if, if they want to have kids, like I was literally just talking to someone about going through labor.
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Beyond that one day, let's say they get past that. What about changing diapers?
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And I understand aversions. Like, you guys know, like, certain things like spit and stuff. Like that. Like, there's certain... bodily fluids that, like, I also, like, will just have, like, a gag reflex to. If it's... I think I might have told you guys this, but when I was taking a COVID test, like, you have to spit into a little vial. It got to be a lot.
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And I, like, when I looked at my own spit, my own spit, I started gagging. I literally gagged. And it's, like, it's stupid, but it's... Some people have aversions to things, but I do think that there is... You like you can't make somebody feel bad for something that's just natural, like a fart like that. It's that's it's not how a partnership is going to.
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I mean, apparently it does happen sometimes because you just said your relatives haven't farted for 25 years.
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I know. I was like, was he leaving to poop because he actually was just doing sketchy stuff instead? Lisa went through it. Yeah. OP does reply to that, but you say what you're going to say first. Oh, I was just going to say, I think that's a good comment. A really good comment. The only thing that I'm kind of confused about is the part where she says, don't contact him at all.
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He didn't say he wanted to break up, right? I don't know. Lisa might be interpreting that, okay, I'm done. That's like a breakup. Oh, I don't know why I didn't even fathom that. I'm not sure. Because that would make it even crazier.
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Yeah, absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would be so livid. And that's the thing. You guys have your little fart thing that you guys do, but you guys would never ask each other not to fart in front of each other ever.
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That's so interesting, though, because even with, like... I used to have so much gas. Even with, like, without dairy and health, like, you should be farting, like, a decent amount. He burps a lot, though. Huh. Maybe that has something to do with it.
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Yeah. So are we, but... but but yeah no um that's so funny i don't burp that often if i do it's like it's like undetectable or people think i hiccup they're like oh cute was a hiccup what yeah that's wild i mean think about how many times you've heard me burp and i wouldn't hold it back in front of you i'm just no you're more of a tutor Don't tell them that. They already know. No, they don't.
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She is a silent one. Oh my gosh. But deadly. No, no. They're like roses. Okay.
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would that be your evil laugh if you had one what did i do that was an evil laugh i'm kidding i'm kidding what i don't like i'm not sure how i did it but yes probably it was really good yeah I was supposed to go too.
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I don't think Delta ever got it in their possession. My friend, she's on a ski trip and like an airline just lost her luggage. And she like had all of her stuff for the ski trip in there. Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm sure it was Tide. A lot of people don't know about the tie trick.
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Just an unnecessary step. No, no, definitely not that. If you have to, maybe squeeze. So we could just stick with squeeze. Why didn't I think of that word? Wow. Okay, Justin, your turn.
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The funny thing is I'm pretty sure you like had this tangent literally the last time we recorded.
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I don't, I don't know. It feels like, it feels almost like, I don't know, like souvenirs. Yeah. That's what I'm what I'm trying. I'm trying to think what she's thinking. Is she thinking this is romantic and one day she's going to like make a scrapbook out of it? I know. I know. Right. So I'm like, but I'm like, I'm like, is that what she's thinking?
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Or does it like is it something she's keeping specifically for herself and it gives her some type of like satisfaction or closeness? Like, what is she thinking? Or is it just a tick? Is it literally just like kind of like someone with klepto who just takes something and it's not because they need that object. They just like the act of taking. It makes them feel in control.
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And so she's collecting these items because it just makes her feel in control. That's what I think.
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But combined with everything else... I watched this witch movie not too long ago. I think it was... I might be making this up and combining it with a different witch movie, but I think it was Teen Witch. And I think that she was told to grab a hair from him or something like that. And so that's why I'm like, is it something even farther fetched?
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i that would be a long shot but like did you listen to the episode with me and michaela where she talked about old witchcraft to get people to fall in love with you no people would put fish up their vaginas oh no so maybe maybe she's practicing yeah maybe she like read something that like made her think that this will make the love last forever so not not necessarily like witchcraft but like some type of things she came across on the internet that just i don't
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know it's so weird I don't have any answers I'm just like fucking around spitballing I don't know guys time to break out the mini camera
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But that's also like, what, you said they're six months in? I don't know. Oh.
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The day that you came, the outfit. Yeah. When the sun was shining around you. No, he did. Yeah. Yeah. That day. So I got it. I feel like I have this image. I wasn't there, but I feel like I was because of the way you painted the picture for me.
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I don't think that I would be... And the reason why I don't think I'd be able to move past it is because I've had an experience where it made me feel like I just didn't know the person and I thought I knew the person and it really scared me in a way that I don't really know how to explain.
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It was a different type of fear and it was something where I'm just like, I don't know how to move forward because I... It's like an indirect, I guess in this situation, indirect type of betrayal because – but it feels so wrong and it just feels sneaky and it feels like how do you really know this person if they're doing – collecting – Yeah. Yeah. Things like that about you.
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It's pathetic. It's really pathetic. And I'm like growing up, too. I'm like if I was I'm almost positive that my dad and stepmom would do something to on Valentine's Day for me. It's just usually like I was with my at my mom's more often. Yeah. But no, I think it's really normal for parents to do something sweet for their children on Valentine's Day. It's just.
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It's just, it would be really hard for me to move forward, but I wouldn't blame anyone if they wanted to move forward. If they wanted to figure it out, that makes complete sense. I think I would just have a hard time with it.
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that makes it even worse for me it's just weird unless they have a conversation and it like really makes sense and she has a really like an explanation and is actively like I will make this better I don't want you to feel this way then you know then I could probably consider it but it's just tough stuff like this is just tough well we do have an update
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Yeah, but I didn't know that they knew that too. That's the update. Yeah, it's Reddit. what yeah this is getting weird that's not an update it's not you can't do that to us that's really rude we need to just trash this story actually yeah oh just just throw it that's really sad no no and then we'll take it back and we'll put it in the box just like the girl did right out of the trash
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What's wrong? What's wrong? I tried so hard. It's good. I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. We got another update. How did you cry? Are those laughing tears? Yeah.
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just a day of love like it's a day of all different types of love any type of love like it doesn't have to be so and i and it makes me feel sad that it does for a lot of people has like associate like a lot of really negative feelings or frustration because to me i just think it should just always be a day of love and like not in any way no yeah love love for your your pet anyone just get your little pet a present yeah
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I didn't even think about like a gone girl situation. That's That's crazy. Terrifying. Because you're right, those are all... Wow.
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Okay. Oh, how did... Oh, it's because I don't watch these type of things. I know. But I'm like, how did I not even like...
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Would you just dug it up from five weeks later and you're like, oh.
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I don't know. I'm just the way that he is just like, oh, we talked about it. It's all good now.
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She's not throwing it away. Wait, she said she's going to throw them away? Yeah, she's not, though. She's going to hide it in the floorboard. Oh, I just collect more.
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This is so... Oh my gosh, Justin. This is not... I just don't understand how he's just like, oh, she wanted to feel close to me. Okay. Like, this is... Even if that is exactly the case, there's still something really off with this. You should look into this further.
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Like, I think a lot of people have different reasons for their kleptomania, but it's I think it's more of an impulse thing, like rather than like a hateful thing or spiteful thing or like trying to screw someone over. I think it's more of just like an impulse. Yeah.
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Goofy. Yeah. Goofy guy. Well, I think that's the moral of the story is that you should, if you want to show someone love on a day that is about love, it doesn't matter what type of love it is. Partner, grandma, pet, whoever, friends.
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And they lived happily ever after. OP didn't delete his account. His partner did.
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Oh my gosh. I actually have like a couple of- stories that people have wanted me to send to you. Well, let's go. Bring them over to Patreon. I'll let you read them even. I need to look through them. I honestly... I have been having so many people reach out lately, and it's been so fun, but then I just don't get to all of them.
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Yeah, and it makes me sad because I'm like, I want to interact with everyone, but I've been so busy. But I love hearing from people. It makes me so happy. So I'm like, I want to respond to everyone, but it's just...
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Love it. I was also thinking, I'm like, I want to have like one day, like one like random Sunday where I'm just like, I'm like, I'm here in the DMs. Like I'm here all day, baby. Come get me.
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Because people share so many fun things in there. Like, truly, I love hearing from everybody. It's amazing.
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I know. I literally, I love it. I just, like, feel so bad when I don't... Respond. Yeah, because I want to respond to everyone.
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Are you feeling the leave it? I feel... We didn't get a lot of love. There wasn't, this wasn't really... Very lovey.
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We remembered to do that for once. That was like a throwback. I'm like, whoa, I'm introducing myself?
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I would feel the same way. I would feel really bummed about it. I mean, if you're expressing to your partner that this is something that would make you feel really happy, is it the exact same? It's the exact same.
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Yeah. Well, it's also interesting, too, because me and Morgan were just having this conversation about not just in like romantic relationships, but in friendships like we all have different love languages. And so we can get really upset with even just our friend because we think I would do this for them. Why don't they do it for me? Oh, my God. We were just talking.
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Yeah, but they don't have the same love language, so they don't like process it the same way. So they may be doing something for you because that's their love language and you're not actually even doing it back for them.
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And so then there becomes like frustration between the friends because you guys have different love languages and ways of showing things, you know, the way that you care about people in your life. For sure. And so, yeah, it kind of reminds me of this. Is that is that just what this is? Is this partner just that's just something that never crosses his mind because it's not his love language?
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And then even if it is, though, I mean, like if that is her love language and it's extremely important to her and that's how she's going to feel seen and loved, she also deserves to have somebody in her life that makes her feel that way.
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So it's like there needs to be either like a compromise or they should find people that are more compatible that make like that she feels more loved and more seen by. Yeah.
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It's just, you know, here's the thing. This is where I always get annoyed because if it was just the cake thing, And he was extremely sorry right after and said, I it's something I've seen other people do. I've seen it in movies. I thought it would be so funny. I thought you would be laughing. I thought we got all the photos. If he came like that, we would have a case. Right.
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We could be like, OK, it was a mistake. It was he was trying to be fun. But the fact that he's like, you ruined this party by slapping me and my family hates you. You owe them an apology. Like all of that, that's the type of stuff that really bothers me. And that's the part that shows the character that he lacks.
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I feel like again. Maybe I'm not understanding the story, but I feel like these aren't bad business decisions. She's crashing out.
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You caused the issue for the cleaning. Yeah. And this honestly brings to another topic, too. I actually just posted on my story today the fact that there's kids that are running through fences and it's like a TikTok trend. What? Yeah. But honestly, there's a lot of trends and TikTok things that are going around that are really...
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just like concerning when i was a kid i had my neighbor yell at me for standing on his grass when i was waiting at the bus stop like that's the type of stuff where i'm like okay like old man like let let us kids like be kids and have fun right and here we have kids that are just like slamming through fences causing thousands of dollars to people's personal property in cars
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No, they're just ramming their bodies through. They're trying to do like the Kool-Aid man thing. Through metal fences? No, through like wood fences. And they all just charge at the same time. But it's like that's someone's personal property that they now to take care of.
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And like if they have a dog, then they can't even let their dog out without, you know, it's just like I feel like there's so much like. What's happening?
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in consideration that's going on with like people, these especially like maybe they didn't work in the service industry, but like this cake thing is just bringing me to the point where I'm just like people don't even think about the fact that there's people who have to clean that up and they have a job that doesn't It doesn't include that. It doesn't include that. And now they have to do that.
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And it's just, it's really inconsiderate in my opinion. And yeah, sure, it may be fun and funny to you, but like be considerate of the fact that like if you're not willing to clean it up, if you're going to be that messy and not clean up yourself, that's just not cool. So all around, I don't, I just don't think that this was...
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a funny fun thing to do unless no it's not unless everyone was on board and they were like ask the restaurant beforehand and said let's and and when is this ever gonna be funny well you know some people have relationships like that and if there is like a chance if you know that your partner is a hundred percent would think this is hilarious then like and that's you your guys's thing whatever do you guys but then you have to like call the restaurant beforehand let them know like that and ask them
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It's terrible. No, terrible. And again, that's the case most of the time that it's just, it's a non-starter. Do not do that. Don't do it. I'm just saying that there are like I've watched a video of people.
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I want a hand raised. But I'm saying that that is an example. There is probably someone out there who's like, I want to get a cake smashed in my face just like Steve Aoki style. We need to call the venue at the wedding to make sure that that's okay. Comment. That probably happens. Comment. I need to see it. Okay, I have seen crazy things. I'm not saying it's the norm.
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I'm saying that that is not out of the ordinary. Or like not out of the realm of possibilities.
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I want them to say, yes, please smash me with your cake. But that is not... That's not what I'm saying. Obviously, in this situation, it's a no-brainer. That is like a... But that's like a lot of these brides. I know, but I'm saying that... Bridal makeup's expensive. I'm telling you that...
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out if this wasn't the situation if you knew your partner i'm saying that's the only exception would you would you be done no you're not getting it i'm just saying that there are people out there and i want to meet them there's somebody out there i can assure you i want to meet you put your hand up in the comments let's let's become on a first name basis but you're acting like we're not totally on the same page with this story we are on the same page with this story no i know we are
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I would get a giggle out of that. No, I'd be pissed. I want to eat the cake. You just ruined the cake. I know. God, especially if it's a good cake. Exactly. I had some bad, dry-ass cake lately, though.
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unreal unreal i think it's from like hansen's bakery which is like bougie it's it's so good it's gonna live in my freezer for another two years speaking of what are the hansen brothers up to i feel like i haven't heard that name in a long time who are they The Hanson Brothers?
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This is the words of my champ. I actually, my thought is that when I accidentally crash out in front of people, then I feel like they don't. Hmm. What's the word? Respect you anymore. It's not even like respect. It's just like, let's say that I were to go off on some type of like political belief or some type of religious belief or like, I don't know, whatever it is.
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I've heard this song, but I don't know them. I'm shook.
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Run. That's whenever he said to her, that was another thing that pissed me off when he's like, you never even loved me. It's like, I mean, she's probably wondering if you ever even loved and respected her because of what you did. Like, you clearly don't know at all if you thought that she would enjoy that. And then the fact that she didn't enjoy that and reacted, you made it her fault.
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Then now, now you just suck. So I, yeah. Goodbye. Good fucking good riddance. Goodbye. Goodbye.
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You know, I was actually at a birthday party where her friends, best friends, did this to her. And it was literally, it went down exactly like, well, she didn't slap them, but she was very upset. She had, like, such a cute outfit on, and it was so expensive. You saw this in person? Yes.
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Oh, girl. It was like one of her best friends. Oh, that's not your best friend. That's a hater. I know, right? But they're still friends. I know. Diabolical. I know. Everyone was pissed. Everyone was mad. We like went to the bathroom and helped her try to clean up. But like, yeah, exactly this. I mean, it was her birthday.
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So hair, brand new outfit, like makeup, everything and just cake all over the entire thing. And it was a day party, too. So they were planning on still going out throughout the night. Sabotage. Yeah, it was reckless. Didn't go down well. Not a good idea, guys.
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I would just also like to say, too, that, like, you should never be forcing anyone's head in anything anywhere. Like, that, to me, is really concerning. And I just... I can't even think of one thing that would be okay for you to force your head... Or force someone else's head into. Like, nothing. You know?
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So if he would have put the cake towards her, which still is not okay, it's, like, the fact that he forced her head into it makes me feel like he... It's another level.
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Like, let's say I'm just giving an example. Like, let's say someone goes off, goes hardcore into one belief. Then... You just assume that's what they believe and you aren't really open to hearing other... I think our definition of crash out might be different. I can't even think what I'm... I'm like so in a bad headspace right now. I need to like... Go walk around the block.
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t-h-t i feel like who somebody said recently that they feel like headphones are podcasters way to like feel cool or something they don't make me feel cool at all i'll tell you that right now i can't remember who said that i feel like it was justin but but it couldn't be because he loves his headphones he loves his headphones yeah um it literally just helps me read better
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It helps me to stay in this world, I guess, because it sounds different. Yeah. And it kind of puts me in this headspace. Yeah. To be ready.
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It is nice. And then even like I can hear myself, but it's not in a way that's distracting or echoey. It just I also feel like I can hear myself clearer.
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I need to like take a... Not around the block. I just need to start over real quick. I need to just... I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know what's coming out of my mouth.
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Gross. Who does this? It's like a fetish that he's forcing on her.
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Am I the asshole here? No, and the company sounds like they have a bunch of horrible people. Terrible, terrible company culture.
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That's so inappropriate. The thing that's frustrating, too, is she's saying that he didn't show this or do this around anyone else either. So it's like so these other people might not know and like might not. It's not so sad. It is sad. That's what that's what bothers me.
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And because it's like him saying and looking down at himself and saying, I need to go to the bathroom and take care of something like that is that's not with. There's no question that that's.
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I'm really freaked out about the fact that they're saying there's a serial killer in North Hollywood. I know. I know.
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So messed up. Yeah. Oh, God. And, you know, I have such like nighttime terror fears. And did you see the video of the guy who kept banging on the girl's door and looked in her mail slot? Yes. Did you order the massage? No, he didn't. He goes, it was so obviously sketchy. I wonder if she had one of those cameras that's on the inside, because I can't believe somebody would be so bold and.
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to do this in front of a ring camera on the outside because he— We might have seen different videos.
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Yeah. Yeah, so he goes on to say, you ordered a massage? I'm just saying that I can't believe he was so bold to do that in front of the camera. With a huge-ass dog, too. But I'm wondering if her camera was on the— you know how they have cameras that can be from the inside of your window now so that you can— so they can't take the ring camera off from the outside? So smart. Yeah.
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And so because he would cover it. Yeah. Because he was so bold about it. And and you could see his rings on his hand. Did you see those rings on his hand? Like spiked ass rings. They're like spiked huge rings like and and when he was knocking on the door, he was holding down her the like button thing on her door or whatever.
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It's the door handle so that the minute she would open it, he would push through. Literally never open your door unless you know who's out there. Truly, because I I don't.
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And I don't go to the door. Yeah. Oh, God, you guys, this was funny because Morgan and Justin weren't home or Morgan was sleeping. Justin wasn't there. And I was trying to change into sweatpants really quickly. And she has a camera in her kitchen. So I have cameras everywhere. So I turned the camera around so that I could quickly like put my sweatpants on just whatever.
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And then Morgan comes out and I was like, oh, sorry, I need to turn this back because it turns and she goes, oh, no, no, it follows movement. So it already turned around and looked back at you again. I was like, Oh, no. It's literally like a 360 spin camera. But I'm just laughing at me just turning it away from me. And then I start changing. It just goes right back.
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It's like, no, we're going to watch it. But yeah, it's fine. Everything's fine.
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Honestly, it's probably going to be like that eventually one day. Everyone has body cams. Everyone has body cams, yeah, when they're at work. Is that giving severance? It's giving something weird. Wait, have you seen Severance? No. Okay. I was like, that's not really what Severance is about. I have no idea what it's about.
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Is it like the first season or are you on the second one? No, I'm on season one. Okay, yeah. Episode two.
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i watched the first season i don't you did oh yeah yeah when it came out that's shocking because that show is scary i know but i'm oh i'm like okay with like world ending zombie type of movies it's jump scare city yeah yeah but it's it's fine um i just don't know if i want to watch the second season because like i heard something happens that i don't want to have happen don't tell me
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No. Definitely not. I don't even find this a crash out. This is just like... Justifiable. Yeah.
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Pervert. You honestly that he probably is probably a part of his porn routine. It's a fantasy. It's totally a fantasy. It's a fantasy. It's so creepy. It's so not OK. How did did Opie say how long they were together? I don't know. I'm just wondering if this is like a newer person or if this like came out of like left field and they're like, I would have never thought that you'd be like this.
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Because, you know, some people like what if that was his routine when they live together alone? Like I'm saying, like, is it that? And then or is he actually just that much of an absolute creep? I think he's a creep because obviously he's a creep.
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Because they are all perverts. It's also giving Russell Brand in Forgetting Sarah Marshall.
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Yeah, when you first said that, I thought that he did lock her in there and I was extra concerned, extra scared. But no, I'm glad she locked herself in there and was like, get away from me. I feel like people need to start stockpiling tasers. Honestly, I have one and I don't know where it is right now. And I should buy many so that they're just all over the place. Yeah.
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Some of the guys used to tase themselves in college. I have this, like, I don't... There's a lot of things from college that I feel like I just kind of, like, let drift away. My memory is slipping. I'm with you. But I also... This is really weird, but, like, I... Had lost my phone towards the end of college and I didn't get a new one for a long time. I know that's crazy. You went months.
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Yeah, she did. She'd literally be like... Often. Lauren, you're gonna hang out with me today. Get out here. But anyway, whenever I got a new phone, I didn't back it up to anything. So I got a new phone right before leaving to California and all of my photos are starting in California. And so it's just like, and I get memories every single year of photos from like five years ago or whatever it is.
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But like, I don't get memories from before that. And so I feel like I just have started to kind of
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And I also don't care that it's legally an adult, like a 19-year-old is a child.
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Do you ever just feel kind of like, not totally yourself like you don't really know how you're presenting yourself to the public yeah like you don't know what's happening yeah it's a scary time like you're speaking but you don't really know what's coming out or why it's coming out and your body language feels like off and you're like is it off or am I just thinking it's off
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So, am I the asshole? No. I mean, sure. Could you have said it in a different way that would have been less dramatic in front of the entire friend group? Sure. But like you said, a reasonable crash out. Sometimes it's hard with these type of things. Like sometimes it's hard to have these conversations when you are worried with your friends. And sometimes that moment just comes and comes over you.
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And it was out of context. protection and care for the friend is what it sounds like to me. So, yes, maybe you should have said it behind closed doors, had that conversation, but... She just saved you. She saved you. Saved you. That sounds miserable.
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Well, you also would, the friendship would start to deteriorate regardless because it's really hard to stay friends with somebody who is dating someone that degree of whatever word, fill in the blank.
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So your friendship would have deteriorated and you probably you probably would have had to step away from it eventually over the years, like because once they're married, it probably would just get worse. I don't I don't know. But so you did the right thing. She'll probably come around. It's just like that is that's a type of abuse and.
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So her brain is probably just not on the same wavelength right now to understand that you were looking out for her and that you have her best interests. Right now, she's just in a lot of pain because she's been dealing with what you said, babysitting this person and constantly...
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reflecting on herself as if she's doing something wrong no matter what she does she goes to target and she's getting blown up with nine phone calls and has to run and cry and try to appease him like that is some like psychological damage that she's been going through for who knows how long I don't know how long they've been together but clearly long enough to get yeah clearly long enough to get married so three years so it's just like I think that your friend will eventually kind of like come back around and
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one day we'll thank you. It's just, it's just takes time, but I definitely agree. OP, you did the right thing. And, um, yeah, that's absolutely.
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Consciousness. Conscious. Conscience. Conscious. Cautious. There's a lot of variations going on in that. I know. Sound. The English language is so hard. Yeah. Like read. Read. Yeah. Spelled the same. Looks the same. I feel like I said this on the last episode, but my favorite Friends moment is when Rachel's sister meets Phoebe and she calls her Emma and she goes, Phoebe.
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And the whole group started to be like, oh, my God. I forget which I know what you're talking about, but I forget which guy that is.
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It can be so delicate, though. That's why it's tough to know when because there's a lot of times where if you do come on
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too aggressively to your friend then they end up cutting out the friend and staying with the partner yeah so it does happen quite often yeah and a lot of times people have to come to their own conclusion so it's really it's just really difficult when it comes to like love or abusive relationships it's just it's hard really hard but okay moving on to our next one
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Okay, I don't know that much about these lottery tickets. You can put two names under them?
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The story makes it sound like the wife is being an asshole. But I'm also... I don't... For some reason, I feel like there's more details in this one. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.
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No, that's... Especially when... What? When they had a thing where they would buy two tickets and then they decided to just do one. But that's why I'm saying, I'm like, if there's some certain things missing, like, if this was actually... If they didn't have this type of dynamic and she just bought a ticket on her own... That would be different. Yeah. And, like...
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If I got one right now, just on my way home, and I won, then I wouldn't, like, expect my boyfriend to be like, oh. No. No. It'd be yours. Right.
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Right. So, but the dynamics of this story make it sound like she is the asshole. I... And I agree.
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It's so stupid. It's so dumb. Why are you being such a dumb clock? It's like, I'm pretty sure that he married you before this money, you freak. Like, I don't think that he... What? But, I mean, the whole, like, divorce thing, like, yeah, it sounds really extreme to, like, throw that out there. But, like... If he's seen a different side of her that he doesn't feel like is who he married, then...
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it is what it is you know it's like if he's like I this isn't the person I signed up to do life with because that's that's the thing is that like our lives are ever-changing we're constantly growing and adapting and becoming different versions of ourself and so I think if you are in a marriage and you guys are not like communicating and growing together and understanding each other and still on the same page you
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I was wondering that because I was also thinking like if she was always making...
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like the most money like maybe she was thinking like I'm working I'm I'm the breadwinner like I'm working so hard I deserve to like take a break because I've I don't know I was thinking maybe that was her thought process so this these are good details yeah um OP does add more context that she's kind of stonewalling him outside of the kids she's not talking to me
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Yeah. It's so weird. This also like brings up a question. I actually just asked one of my friends this the other day because is that the norm when people get married? Is that they just share all their finances? Because like I don't think I'll ever –
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want to do that like even if I married a billionaire I still think I would want my own separate account I just it just feels I don't know I like to have that individuality I guess I think it really operates couple by couple
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Yeah. I used to like when I heard the word prenup, think like it was so negative. I did, too. I'm so on the I just think so opposite once I actually learned what they were. Because I think they were kind of like painted to be bad when I was growing up.
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But like now that I've learned what they are, I just... Actually, I just saw this video where a lawyer said that out of the thousands of prenups that he's written, he's like only like a couple have actually gotten a divorce. And... I love hearing that. That's really cool. Yeah. And it was he was doing an interview with like Andrew Huberman.
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And he was basically saying that if you have that level of communication with your partner before getting married, that it like oftentimes correlates to having a really strong relationship and a strong partnership. If you can sit down and have that conversation before jumping into everything.
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I'm going to go with the second one. Okay. Because the first one I just feel like is a quick answer.
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The next day. What? Did I miss something? No. She's like building my new house now. Thanks, Nate. Cardboard boxes to move in.
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Oh my god, just put it in the card. I slept with your best friend. I suck. Just shut the fuck up. Get out of here. Like...
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See, this is what's so frustrating and selfish about what he's doing is that it's like, yeah, of course she's curious. Like, and you... It makes me so mad because it's so selfish. I won't be able to move forward unless I tell you the shitty thing that I did to you is what I'm hearing. I need to get it off my chest for myself, not for her.
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Actually, do you know that I had a friend who told me about in AA how they actually...
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tell people that they need to go through and decide who they need to apologize to and who they did wrong to that that person doesn't know that they need to just let go and not bring it up to them because it's actually selfish and it's only hurting that person because they didn't know and to just move on, move forward and
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So and so I when I hear this, I just think of the fact that it's it's just it's selfish. It's not completely.
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Crazy speech. That the other person thought you were proposing. Blindsided. Yeah. That's always like so crazy to me because like any end of a relationship, like I've always like felt it. Like I've always felt it's either like on either side of us, like there's something off. I'm acting off. They're acting off. Like it's kind of it's not a surprise.
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So I like these stories are so crazy to me how somebody can just like seem like there's absolutely nothing wrong. And I've been blindsided like this.
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Yeah. I mean, my mom's group that all goes ice plunging, they're all they're all different ages and they're all friends, like all different ages. There's like there's kids there. And then I mean, I love that. Yeah. It's more like interest based. Yeah. Yeah. And my mom even became actually really good friends with a girl who's only like a couple of years older than me. And she's that. Yeah.
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but when you go when you go from like boyfriend girlfriend to fiance marriage like kind of over you can go from that overnight it does feel like this just like hit a smart car into a concrete wall my actually no my even even when you do know it's coming like it's still such a grieving process so like to not know it's coming like i that's why i'm like i can't imagine how like how rock like how much that would rock a person yeah how
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It's just it's crazy. And like even my mom had said one time where she was just like she's like when people pass away, like you grieve them, you grieve their memory. But when you when you go through a breakup, you grieve a person who's still here and you have to have the self-control to not.
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try to talk to them and so she's like they're they're two very different interesting things that are similar but different and yeah it's so complicated so that's just sad like it is you used to go to them they were the first person you reached out to with good news bad news sad whatever it was and
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Yeah. They're like no longer a part of your life, but they still are there. You just aren't allowed to talk to them anymore. It's just, it's definitely a grieving process.
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Please tell me of an update. Please tell me of an update. Please. No, we don't. I can't tell your facial expressions right now. I'm like, I don't know. Let me go look. Speaking of selfish, selfishly, I want her to meet up with him so she can tell us what he said.
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So it's. It happens. Yeah. I love this. But I am like a little bit curious about this 38 year old's intentions. Like that does make me a little nervous because I don't know, guy, girl, like.
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Like, can't you just envision Tarzan on the vines? I play Mario Party all the time. I'm envisioning one of my minigames. Oh, my God.
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Also, like, you didn't even need to say that shit. Like, this is what I don't understand. Like, I've had people say, oh, like, I have to have the whole talk and explanation with the breakup. And it's like... No, actually, you don't have to reiterate what you've reiterated in a relationship. You can just be like, I don't think we're a match. And that's it.
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You don't have to try to kick them on your way out. Or you don't have to reiterate things that you've already told them that you're having a problem with in the relationship that led to where you're at. You can literally just be like, it's not a match. So when people feel the need to be like, You're not mother material. Like, what the... Says who, bitch? Like, get out of here. Just leave. Yeah.
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That doesn't make me feel great. Yeah. It's so pathetic. It's like, did you really think that she's going to be like, oh, my God, like the girl who you left me for turned you down. And so now you run back to me. A dream come true. This is like what I've seen in the movies. I feel like people need to watch movies more often. Are they not?
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I'm like, I don't know, because I'm like, like, do you see what is good and what's bad in a movie? Do you see what's romantic and what's disgusting or creepy in a movie? Like, just watch a movie and like learn from that. Yeah.
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I'm obsessed with rom-coms. Have you? I actually, when I was little, I used to think that, like, young boys should be required to watch rom-coms because I'm like, this is... Like, take notes. Kids, take notes. You could pitch that. You could pitch that as curriculum. Literally. Literally.
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honestly i would not hate that as a college class the psychology observed through rom-coms i would have signed up for that class so fast it probably exists somewhere just not where we went to college but i'm super into it i mean they have like a college course like based on taylor swift so it makes me feel like a rom-com course is available
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Okay, well, we understand that they're not all like realistic. No. But at the same time, there's a lot of really great things you can take.
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You know, like, see how it's really admirable when the man opens up the door for his date. Like, take notes, kids. You know what I mean? Like, shit like that.
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Yeah, but I'm like, do you really think that that is how she wants her love story to... I don't know. I just think it's nuts. He's desperate. He's desperate? He's so desperate. But it's like, go kick yourself and go try over with someone else because you're... Sorry, go ahead. I keep interrupting. No, it's fine.
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It's just like because you messed this up like to you just you dug yourself so deep that you can't get out of this one. You just got to go try somewhere else new and like learn from your mistakes like you know. Absolutely. Learn. Leave her alone.
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I actually just saw this TikTok too, where it's like a lot of people marry the people who they're dating in their 20s. even if it's not the right person for them. And it was kind of a funny TikTok because she's like, she's like, I know I married my person in my 20s. And she's like, but I love like she she's like, I love my person. She's amazing, all this stuff.
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And she's like, but like people like put pressure, society put pressure on getting married around your like 20s or 30s. And so therefore, if somebody is dating someone in their 20s, a lot of times they'll just marry that person, even if it's not the right person for them. And the way she was describing it was just it was. It was good stuff.
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They're crashing out over soap. Do you think it makes life more fun or more painful to be this way?
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Somebody told me that they just refill them with, like, they get the A-soap bottles and refill them with, like... In the restaurants. I don't know if you've ever seen that. I could see it. Now that you say it, I could see it.
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So it's kind of like placebo. Yeah. But it smells so good. Well, there's lots of really good smelling like good. Cheapos. Yeah. I mean, I love my Trader Joe's soap. Yeah. Love it.
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That was good. That was a good episode. That was good. I like it. Did you have fun? It was great. You liked it? Great time. I was a little worried that you weren't having fun.
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Oh, my God. I want to crash out all the time. I honestly this is inspiring me to publicly crash out. I think I'm going to. I think so.
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Oh, no. You know, this is what I think happens. No. Okay, well, okay, you say what you're going to say, then, okay. I think that people get on, like, TikTok or social media, like, when they're planning their weddings, and I think it's filled with all these, like, insanely, like, over-the-top, like, crazy, like, experiences.
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And so then, like, brides get in their head, and they're like, mine needs to be perfect because you're constantly re, like—
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So I ordered, I love the, the, like the wax stamps. Yeah. I love that.
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I need to see this. I have not been on Instagram or on my phone today.
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I get what you're saying. I'm like, let's go. That sounds fun. Yeah.
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I'm going to throw a really good party. I honestly, I just, I feel like I've let myself get...
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disappointed too many times throughout growing up with certain things that i wanted people to show up for me for that like i know that's been me and i think that's part of the reason why i also don't even know that i care for to plan a wedding like i want to get married for you but i'll plan it i love this i so fun i don't know i just like it It makes me sad and I don't want it to make me sad.
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And so that's why I think I'm just I'm not interested in it. Like anytime I try to like plan like something like that I think is small or sweet. I feel like people bail or don't show up on me or like it's just I don't know. I feel like I have bad luck when it comes to me trying to organize something. Yeah.
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Which has probably resulted in me being more of a type B friend because I'm like, I hated that feeling of trying to organize things and everyone bailed. Yeah. And so now I'm just kind of like, I don't want that anymore. I just want to go with the flow, have fun, not let it like get in my head and make me feel sad. Yeah.
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I literally could not ask you to plan a wedding for me when you continue to put things on your plate. I love this.
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It just has such a ring to it. Are you Drake over Kendrick?
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Oh my gosh. I saw this TikTok where they were like, there was a period of time where we couldn't get away from the na-na-nas. And I just watched it last night. There was 20 songs. There's so many and they're all bops. They're amazing.
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They're so good. Subliminally. I didn't even... Subconsciously. I don't even think about it. I never thought about na-na like as being a thing.
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I just thought it's just, you know, we're just singing. But like, no, that is a... You guys gotta see this TikTok. I almost want to play it in here because of how... Should I? Copyright. Copyright. We'll share it. We'll share it on socials.
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It's so good. It was so good and I was like... And all different versions too. So many different nanas. It's like slow and then there's also fast and then there's like... Poppy. Romantic and then there's sexy. It was so crazy. That blew my mind. So good.
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I'm trying to think if there's any that even make me cringe, and I don't know that there are. I will find you one. You look like Lily right now from How I Met Your Mother.
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Oh my God, I'm right there right now. I've never even seen the last season and I'm watching it and I'm like crying over the wife. I know. I've never seen it. It's so it's like my. Do you know how it ends? I've heard how it ends. Yes. So I kind of just assumed in my head that I like have seen it all. Yeah. But no, I actually love this season. Brian was telling me that everybody like didn't like it.
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As of right now, I'm just it makes me so emotional. I'm like, oh, my God, this is so romantic.
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He came off as violent. He forced it. Like, from the sounds of it, she was resisting and he was still forcing. That is violent. That's not okay. A slap is absolutely reasonable. Self-defense. Literally. Am I the asshole for refusing? I already blocked him. Actually, you do owe the mom an apology. You should look at her and say, I'm sorry that you raised a shitty son.
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I feel like I took a hard left and completely missed this whole concept.
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But I like the communication we're having in the comments here. People are really spitballing and throwing things out there. And I think that can't be too safe either with someone. You know, I... Never know. I think it's all about the dialogue, you know, just kind of spitballing.
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I don't even know at all what you're referring to. I think it's literally called like Obsessed. Oh. With Beyonce. I have not seen that. You should watch it. It's really good. Are you sure Beyonce is in it? Yes.
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ma'am wow oh my god um op does respond to someone who goes yeah you're right it could have been a beautiful teaching moment unfortunately i was at my wits end with her yeah i mean i don't think i wouldn't beat yourself up over it at all obviously i um i just think that it's kind of risky to call somebody a bitch in the workplace that's all but like she was being a nosy bitch i I also love that.
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Honestly, it's actually nice. It was kind of cute. I think that the co-worker should have been really appreciative that she went so easy on her. So there. Yeah. Take that.
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Have you heard of the MRS degree? Mrs. Degree. Yes. I just heard of that recently.
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Oh no. That just reminded me of when we were rollerblading to get pressed juice.
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So I give a little shout out as I as I look at this since we're going to give a shout out. Let's go, baby. I didn't even realize that cancer zodiac sign, which is what I am, is ruled by the moon. I didn't realize this concept of all the different. You haven't noticed when stuff's in retrograde or there's eclipses, you might be feeling a certain way. Oh, yeah, for sure.
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But I just didn't like put it all together. And I didn't realize that each sign had this different planet. And so a girl at one of the shows, she made moon earrings for me. Was that Kira? Mm hmm. Hello. And so when I was in San Diego and I was at a farmer's market, out of inspiration from that, I got a moon necklace. I love that. Those earrings, you wore those a lot. They're really cute. I know.
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And I've said this before, but I've gotten a lot of compliments.
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I can't even imagine if my partner's parents wanted to come in when I was like exposed. Of course, I'm going to be like, give me privacy. Like, why would that even be a question? She said that she said he wanted he needed privacy. And why do you even want your parents in there if he's like, yeah.
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What's going on here? What it sounds like is she's making what he's going through all about her. So she's probably been worried sick about him. That's fair. And I'm sure that she's been... pausing her life to think about him and everything he's going through. But to the point where she's making it as if it's about her, as if it's all about her.
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I don't know why I remember that image so well. Do you know sometimes when you see a friend or anyone fall, just like that moment just it captures because I'm worried about you. So it's startling and it just kind of like ingrained in my head. But I just remembered you handled it so well. And even when I looked down and saw your leggings, I was more upset for you than you were. I was sad.
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You want your parents to be there so bad because they're worried sick? Well, guess what? He doesn't. You should be asking him what he wants. He's the one that's all tied up to these tests, these tubes. And you need to back off and you need to listen to him and see what is best for him. And and the fact that you're even asking us if you're the asshole for this, it's like he just told you you are.
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just told you yes isn't it i don't know it's kind of interesting too where she's like my parents have been trying to come visit for a while and it's like and you thought now was the time like yeah of course they're worried of course they're worried and that's sweet and i'm glad that they care i really am but you you gotta advocate for the person who is literally on bed rest right now who went through something that was probably pretty traumatic i don't know what it was but i'm
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You were like. It's fine. I'm fine. And I'm like, not the leggings. I know.
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Does OP respond to any of these? No. No. No comments. I want to hear OP be like... Probably ran and hid. I hope she ran and apologized.
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She's not giving apology vibes from the post, but I would like to hope.
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It's just it's so humble and hot and just he's so non problematic. You know, like the fact that he let this guy just like chirp away at him and he's just like, yeah, for a while. Don't care. We have to say because he knows his worth and he doesn't. I don't know. It's just I love it. I love it. I love that the whole office is like hyping him up now.
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Even his boss being like, you've got to put that on your wall. And the fact that the other guy did it to himself, you know, like. Yeah. He completely single handedly did that to himself. The embarrassment. Like he tried to dish it out and said he got served. I love it. Bitch.
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I just think it makes it even more pathetic that John got mad that he proved that he proved it. Mm hmm. You made me look bad. You made yourself look bad, John.
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Well, and that's what's kind of funny, too, is that I actually at one of the jobs I've worked in the past, there was a girl who was rumored to have never graduated. And you're technically supposed to have a college degree. Yeah, bachelor's. And apparently she like, I don't know, smudged her resume, whatever. But none of the upper management cared because she was so good at her job.
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She was one of the best. And when I heard that, I just thought that was baller. Like, there was no part of me that thought, like, we went to college and you didn't. I'm just like, hell yeah, girl. Get it. Get it. I think a lot of times. And that could have been a rumor. I never even asked her directly, you know?
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But, like, I'm just saying I can't even imagine ever having the audacity to just be like... how could you?
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I think I got excited that he was excited. So then I started saying things that I'm like, wait a minute, I'm losing myself here. You did great. I'm just going to let you take over sometimes because there was one point where I truly lost my point and I was trying to find it. I'm like, where am I going with this?
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Yeah. I mean, I think that what. Because my degree did not translate to what I'm doing, but at the same time, I learned so much from my degree that is helpful for me. In my line of work, in my relationships. So I don't think that... I don't think college is a waste, but it's... But yeah, I didn't use a lot from my degree directly into the jobs that I've had after college.
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I also just, yeah, it really just depends on each individual person. You absolutely can make a lot of money without going to college. Yeah. I know of a handful of people who have done that. So it doesn't define you. Do what makes you happy and what you got to do. And don't let a stupid John ever make fun of you. No. In your line of work. Ew, John.
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I'm being so awkward right now. I don't really know how to stop.
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I think I just I wish Jerry was here for this, too. We had him on Father Knows, obviously.
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But now he's gone. And I just feel you miss him. I think I miss him. Yeah.
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It was really nice because I have to think about what to say all on my own here. Whereas with Jerry, I had to fight.
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No, no, no, no, no. I chop a liver. Fuck. No, I'm just saying with Jerry, I had to fight to say something, you know? Yeah, you do. And then he'll raise his hand. Yeah. And then you see it out of the corner of your eye and you're like, oh my God. So then there's no nerves there because I'm over here, you know, Trying to fight to get a word in.
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And whereas now I have to think about things to say and I'm getting nervous.
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But I'm just like— You never stop. No. If you could— be multiple versions of yourself and do all these different jobs, I honestly think you might.
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no mention only mentioned that he is 40 no mention of how old OP is see I don't want to jump the gun because I understand jump it jump it jump it jump so high I just think it might not be a match that's all
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Yeah, it's so because the restaurant industry can be difficult sometimes.
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But just in general, I heard that they just don't have very big margins.
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I mean, paying for everything that it costs. I've just heard that the restaurant industry can be difficult. So I think that's probably where that started happening with servers, where they, in certain areas, can pay like $2 an hour. And they don't really actually make the money from the restaurant, but they're actually making it from the tips.
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Well, yeah, because you – they take out the taxes. And so you – yeah, I wouldn't get a paycheck or it would be really, really small. But no, it's just – it's different than everything else, the restaurant industry and serving. So that would be hard for me. I would cringe. If I were to be dating someone who never tipped while sitting down and getting like a service –
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I just... It would be too uncomfortable for me. I don't... I just... We'd either have to... Go our separate ways. I would be the ick.
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oh also i don't know how much times have changed but i worked at cold stone for six dollars an hour when i was younger yeah and it was like a lot of work to the point where i got stronger because sometimes you'd have to make cakes and it's a lot of work oh explain what cold stone is for people that might not know
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okay so it's just a big slab of a stone that is cold and you mix together the ice cream and all the ingredients in it but you do it with these two metal huge spoons and you do it all the whole shift so it's it is a lot of work like you're especially when you have to make cakes they're huge it's like It was a lot. And I mean, you guys, I literally sang for a tip.
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Tip tip. Hooray. They would literally people would come in and like harass me and put like a penny in the jar and be like, sing a song for me.
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I have like I have there's rumors from other people from my other past jobs that I don't think I should share. But there's just like there's been crazy stuff like that that I've heard of other people being involved in, but not not really me.
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That is wild. No, I'm just saying, like, that's such a good point. The conversation around tips is just really on opposite scales of things.
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Yeah, I actually what's so crazy is that I always felt when I was working at this nicer restaurant, it was always the people that were the most difficult or needy or just all these different like criterias kept forgetting that to ask me for another thing. So I'm running around sweating for them. That would give me a small tip.
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And then it was the people who just like where they made it so easy where I barely had to do anything that would give me the largest tip. And I just remember thinking like, wow.
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no yeah so it's like sometimes the people like with yeah seemingly all the money like yeah and then you'll get someone who's just like nice and modest yeah oh my god yeah it was great it was crazy i just i just do i love that comment though because it's like the conversation around tipping can be so dynamic in so many different ways and it's just everyone has a different feeling about it i don't it's goofy yeah but we're moving along okay
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No, I've had some I've had some weird server stories for sure. I don't know what is in that water, but there's no.
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Why is the partner so unsupportive of this issue? I mean, it very clearly is a trauma response.
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Why aren't you trying to meet your partner halfway on this? Like... Why aren't you trying to comfort and support your partner? I don't know. Why are you against the door chime? Well, and it's weird.
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This is weird. I don't understand the reason not to be. I also have random moments of jump scares, not to this extent that is being described, but I'm just trying to picture if this was me and I would be so annoyed if my partner wasn't being more adaptable to help me out. I'm a big jump scare. I'm like very jumpy. Yeah.
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I don't know if I've told my I was like I worked at like Hollister Abercrombie or something when I was younger. I don't know if people know that. Did you get did you get scared a lot there. It's really, really dark. And the music is really, really loud.
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And the perfume. Yeah. All scents. Like the perfume. It's just like.
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You're overwhelmed. And so anyway, I was in my own world in my head and I'm folding and I'm bending over. And all of a sudden I feel somebody leaning over me. Oh, wow. And I know I can like see a little bit in the corner of my eye. And all of a sudden I was realizing they're not they're not moving. They're just standing there. And so I turned around. I'm kind of like hunched down. I turn around.
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I put my hands up and I scream. Oh, no. And it was the mannequin. Yeah.
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So I can relate to this. But and thankfully, no one was around. I looked around and I there was no one there, but I just laughed at myself. But that's how like jump scary I can be to the point that like if I were to have a partner and if this were the level of scare that happens to me, I would expect my partner to work with me a little bit on that. Help me out. Help me out, bud.
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Osh. I'm kidding about the bell, by the way. I don't want anyone to think I'm that crazy.
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But I don't remember this. I don't know if that's. I feel like. I also feel like you shouldn't say her name.
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I mean, what if he's being sketchy that he doesn't want to have bells because he does some sketchy stuff at night?
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Mm hmm. It's almost like he finds it fun. That's what I... I honestly thought that's what you were telling me at first, that he was going to say he finds it fun. So that's where my head was at.
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I don't know. Because I thought that was going to be the punchline. I thought you were going to end the story off being like, He said that he thinks it's funny and cute or something weird like that. But we didn't get that. We're left hanging. So I don't really know why he is deciding he doesn't want to be supportive. That's just not really a good recipe for a long lasting, happy relationship.
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No, it's kind of a lack of respect. It's 100 percent a lack of respect. I mean, overall, specifically when your partner is telling you that they have trauma by it and that it's ruining their workday.
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I'm just speechless. Like, I... I mean, okay, she was choking, right? Yeah. It's not like she just had a sneeze. She started choking. So I did the Heimlich. Right. And I'm just wondering, I'm like, in her head, did she just cough or sneeze and she thought that he took that as an opportunity to take advantage of her? Or was she actually choking?
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Because how could you... How could someone... If this is how it's written, if this is how it happened, how could someone save your life and then you... Try to get them fired.
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Like if this is exactly what happened, if you were giving the Heimlich and if you just save someone someone's life and now you're at risk of losing your job and then being labeled in this way, then of course you're going to distance that person. And for them to call you petty because you distance yourself from them.
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See, that's why I'm saying this sounds so crazy to me that I'm like... Is there another version of what happened? I don't think so. Was she just sneezing and she felt like he took an opportunity to... I don't know. Because otherwise, I don't understand. I just... This seems wild to me.
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Yeah. And this it concerns me because you don't want people to be afraid of giving life saving services either. Yeah. Like, do you know what I mean? Like if this story was mainstream, like if it got big, if he got fired, got fired. And then if it like they went on TikTok, they start talking about it's on the news.
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And then all of a sudden now, like there's other people out there that are afraid to do these like life saving procedures. Yeah. Yeah. So I just think that you're right. Like that's horrible that she has trauma and that something happened that she would think that. Yeah. But it is important that she deals with it in the correct manner.
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Oh, God, I did at work. I had I was so dumb. I had friends. Not me. I didn't do this. But like I had friends that took some bracelets from a store that we worked at. And also, I'm not like it matters because they did steal and that's wrong. But like the bracelets were literally like four dollars. So it's just kind of funny. They're like the cheapest little things. Yeah.
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And they posted pictures of it on Facebook and the manager saw it.
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and like brought me into a back room with like an investigator like a guy in a suit and were basically interrogating me and i was so flustered because i didn't do anything and i was getting pinned on it was it was dumb but no i i understand what you're saying you were taking the fall they wanted you to take the fall they questioned those the girls who did it too but just like i was like by association they were questioning me and and it's definitely doesn't it's i i
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That's a bad taste in your mouth. It's definitely an intimidating thing to go through. Especially at that age, too.
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Well, true, especially like Because a lot of times that involves putting a mouth-to-mouth on somebody too. That's one of the other ways of... For Heimlich? Not Heimlich, but I'm sorry, resuscitation. Yeah. So a lot of these life-saving procedures, I mean, people are supposed to be instructed to cut their clothes off with a scissors, stuff like that. So a lot of them are, yes, very invasive.
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But I haven't even done CPR since I was a kid in health class. Yeah. And I actually was looking into doing it again because my next certification for scuba diving, I want to get rescue diver. Yeah. And so you need to have
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It really is. Lauren's like, what the fuck did you give me? Well, we just came from Father Knows Nothing to this. And it was... There was so much light and just... I don't want to say cute problems, but like, yeah, not as heavy, not as heavy. Yeah. And so I just wasn't prepared for this. And I just I feel it's no, it's it's a very serious dilemma.
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Right. That's why I kept asking. I'm like, is there a chance that this... You know how... Guys, I'm still scarred from that time where we had a story and then... I just talked about this on an episode. Yeah, and then somebody came out and said that's actually the complete opposite of what happened. The daughter saw the post. The daughter saw it and then explained what did happen.
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And so now sometimes when I hear these stories, I'm like... Instead of just taking it for face value, sometimes I get in my head. But if the story is what the story is, there's nothing else but to say then he does need to avoid this person. It's a very serious accusation. That's all you can do. And he really should get HR involved if she is giving him a hard time, calling him petty. Yeah.
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I'm just saying that if I were to, for whatever reason, ever go to HR because of something that someone did, then I would expect to have a more distant relationship from them. Yeah. Like, I wouldn't expect them to be inviting me out after work or any of the, you know, I would just... Like, you felt...
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uncomfortable like I would want to have some distance yeah and obviously I wouldn't want them to treat me poorly or like be mean to me or anything like that of course so if that was the case that'd be different but creating distance that That should be what you want.
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Moving on. Moving on. Moving on. Do we have something like fun and wonky?
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I was thinking it would be a fun test to post on Instagram and say, does anyone have a wonky... But you have to send it within the next 10 minutes and then see if we get anything at the very end.
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Oh, my God. A kid chased me with an axe one time. Where? When I was a kid, it was at one of my neighbor's houses. And I was literally so terrified. And the sister who I was friends with... She was just laughing, like running and laughing. And he was running after both of us because the sister made him mad. But I'm like, oh, my God, this is so concerning. That's insane.
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No, this is actually crazy. But I'm just like, I'm just sad they didn't respond. I wish there was a way that you could have answered or like asked. Somehow catch them in the lie. I just, I need to know. I need to know what's going on. My face is fucking tingling. I don't know what to think.
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I got like chills. I feel so uncomfortable. I'm like, call the police.
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I'm just so sad. Like, obviously, OP, your text was perfect and fantastic, and you should have said all those things. But, like, I wish we could have been a little sneaky first to try to see if we can get an answer. You need to go back to the salon. They're never going to respond after that. Like, you just fired them. They're not going to respond to you. Damn. Lauren? What? We have answers?
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Update. I've never done that before. Oh, God. Out of all the reactions I've had from these stories, I've somehow not. That's a work related injury.
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Well, it's like I'm having multiple feelings at the exact same time. One, I'm terrified. Two... It's comical how ridiculous it is. Like, first of all, you said 350. Just kidding. But like, I don't know, now it's 375.
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Oh, my God. We have one last final update. Okay, not to be dramatic, but I would change my name. I would leave the country.
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What if you like watching me burn next? I can't even dial in on what is most concerning. Like probably my favorite part is the line item for being a bitch. But like most concerning part. $375 for being a bitch. What? But like most concerning. I don't even know where to start. This is absolutely wild.
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Well, see, the problem is I like the response. I love it. It's petty. It's fun. Guts to the point. But the problem is you really shouldn't talk like that in the workplace. You could have just said nosy. Exactly. That's what I was going to say. Like, you really shouldn't call somebody a bitch in the workplace. While it was funny. Yeah, it was great for me.
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Thank you. Yeah. I mean, like, obviously, we're laughing at some of the most ridiculous things that are being messaged. But in all seriousness, this is such a scary situation. And I'm happy that it sounds like it was resolved as well as it was. But it's still it's like, what what was this person doing with the hair? And who else? What? What else are they doing with the hair?
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And why are they... Is it a... Like, it sounds like a stalker obsession. It's crazy. And so I'm just so glad that OP took all of the right actions and is taking care of herself because this... Handled so well. This could be so scary.
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you can links will be in the youtube description but also being able i didn't know that that was a thing being able to turn your number over to the police yeah i didn't know that was a thing too that's amazing if you think about it because it's like if you're being stalked like this then it's painful every single time that you're getting this message but at the same time you don't want to block that number because you want to build that evidence you want the evidence so you
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You want to make sure that you can have that somewhere so that you can take action if needed. Yeah.
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Yeah, I guess I was thinking that when you first started saying this story, I was thinking you were going to say like maybe she makes wigs or something like that. So if there's really big haircuts. Then she, oh, you know, something along those lines. I could see the making wigs thing. Yeah. But but like, that's what I thought in the beginning. And now all the harassment.
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Clearly, there was some type of like stalking, fixation, obsession, which is clearly, yeah, very scary.
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Oh, but I just I literally thought that we weren't going to have any answers. I thought it was just going to be like, hey, I quit on you.
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And because if you would think if someone said, hey, I don't want to use you anymore. That would be a good reason for them to be like, all right, and never respond again. So I was floored that we got not only a text back, but all of those texts back. I was not expecting that. That really like threw me.
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Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm not going to share this with you. Please stop asking.
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Am I being dumb right now or why am I kind of confused what she meant by that?
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It wasn't a good idea, I will say that. If you guys were strangers at a park, I'd say... Sure. Just just try to avoid her next time. It's gonna be awkward. But but I think in a work setting, you really just got to avoid that even if somebody deserves it. And even if someone is being really frustrating, you just kind of got to.
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Bite your tongue and be professional, especially if like they said new girl. So if if you are more senior than the other person, like just ignore them or or tell them this is extremely inappropriate. And if you continue, then I'm going to have to call a manager. I don't know. I'm going to have to elevate this.
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Yeah. And it's if it does feel like harassing. It's not OK. I just I don't know. I think it's okay to kind of bring it up if it comes within the territory. For example, if you're in sales, talks about commission is pretty open.
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And motivated and just understand the dynamics of like, okay, if I do this, then I get that amount. So in certain industries, it makes sense when you're talking about salary. But when you're just asking about somebody else's husband because they're going on nice trips, that's so out of pocket to think that you deserve that information.
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I think maybe if it was once that was just like, does your husband make a ton of money? Like even that is rude though. So I don't even know. I know.
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Let's say she has a little brother who is really interested in that field and wants to make a lot of money and wants to know what the potential is. Yeah. And if that's the kind of communication, like, do you think your husband will be willing to speak with my little brother because he just got out of college? He's really inspired to get to X, Y, Z. I don't know.
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I didn't know that was my cue. Mostly Justin because he has a very nice storytelling voice. Don't sell yourself short, Lauren.
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No, I'm just wearing my ACOTAR ring that I ordered online so I could feel like I'm a part of the night court. That's where we're at right now. I love that for you.
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And like you said, her realization, she's like, oh, there's people around me that are really driven and goal-oriented just like me. That's really cool. And I don't think that it even has to be... I mean, I know it doesn't have to be an abusive relationship for you to do what you just did, Justin. Like, you can write it down. Like, am I happy? Do we see things similarly?
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Like, do we build off each other? Do we have the same communication style? Do we have this, like... Do our defense mechanisms... like clash too much like what I don't I think that's actually a really good point because it's like yeah, no one's perfect. And then you're getting these narratives online back and forth where it's just like, you're not going to love every part of someone.
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And then it's also like, you know, don't settle. And so it's confusing. And I think that it's a really good place to start to just be like, am I happy? What matters to me? And are we aligned? Because there's so many people in this world and there's so many different ways of viewing things and so many different truths like that people hold.
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And so it's like if you're not matching with somebody, it doesn't have to be an abusive relationship for you to just be like, I'm not happy.
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But... No, I was thinking about that when she said that they're still living together in separate rooms. Like, that always makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. I think... Yeah, specifically the fact that there was some abuse within the relationship.
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That easily could have escalated. We don't know. I'm really glad that it worked out well because that is scary. I think that I know it's really difficult, but if you can get out of living with the same place as your ex, really try to make that a priority. Absolutely. it's just a different version of a person that you don't, you don't know yet.
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You don't know people are different when they're in a relationship, when they're out of a relationship, like it's a different person that you're living with now. And I would just always be cautious of that. Absolutely.
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I know. Not on purpose. It's tempting to look. I do it on planes, too, which I love reading people's stuff on planes.
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Well, okay, I don't read their texts because I feel like that's too... That's invasive. Yeah, but if they're reading a book, I'm like...
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Me and Brian, we sat down to dinner, and it was one of those tables where you, like, share a booth, you know? Yeah. And we're sitting right next to this couple or business work friends or, oh...
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it's a sugar daddy it was so fun this is what i live for me and brian did literally not talk the entire dinner and we were just like eating and listening to their conversation this is my thing yes well see it's good to tune in you know once i realize she's tuned into something but before it just feels like what's happening here what are we doing
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I'm like, now I'm like buckling up. I'm locking in. I'm like, let's go. And you're like, no, it's the end. I feel like you gotta tell him. Oh, 100%. Like, you gotta tell him. You can't not. I mean, you can, but you shouldn't. You should definitely tell him.
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What could have been. Yeah. Yeah. But that was... Actually, I'm not going to give the movie away. Never mind. But yeah, it is so interesting to think about that perspective, how life can look so different and how their life would have looked different and what it would have looked like. It's so fascinating, the idea of it.
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And that's why I like this last story where if that girl just stayed with him right now, she'd be looking back and be like, oh, my God. Yeah. I wouldn't have experienced all these things that I've just experienced, all this happiness that I'm experiencing. It's just, it's so wild. These like little decisions that we are constantly making and how they create these different worlds for us.
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shocked surprised yes feelings are valid but it would be very weird and goofy take it out on him yes but my question is is that didn't didn't he come to her saying that he's in love with her or am i yeah okay so then later down the road right so then wife should have a reason to be mad he's in love with her
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Multiverse, multi-updates. Okay. I'm sorry. I've gotten into Marvel lately, so. Oh, I love that for you. Thanks.
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How would you... I don't want to hide that comment. We both looked at each other and were like... How would you feel if Justin said that to his ex or his high school friends with benefits? Do you think it was meant innocently? Yeah. Just like a part of our friendship exists? I mean, there's... I don't know.
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Do we know how old the son is, by the way? Out of curiosity? I don't think there's been a mention, but... Any ages mentioned?
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Yeah. I was just wondering if this was like a, you know, over 18 kind of just like get to know each other as we're all adults now or if it's more of like we want to help be a part of your raising process. I'm saying this really weird. Sorry.
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I agree. I do understand, though, how it would be really painful, like, particularly if you had a hard time growing up and then you peek into this other life of your dad or mom raising a family, all happy, holding hands, singing Christmas carols. You know what I mean? I could see that being like really triggering. Oh, it got me for sure. Yeah, for sure.
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Wait, I'm sorry, but I'm like laughing. We need to back this the fuck up. I'm like laughing inside because I'm like, she's over here being like, should I tell him that he has a kid with me? And then meanwhile, the rest of the family is like, oh yeah, he has a whole family with this other girl. He has multiple kids with her.
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Where's this other lady? I need like to start mapping this out. I need a family tree right now. Hey, they're off to a real fresh beginning. Your Vicks thing smells so good. This is magical. How did, did you just get that?
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I've never heard of that. That's incredible. Wait, I want one just like out of like, even when I'm not feeling sick, it seems so satisfying.
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That's awesome. Wow. You should have them sponsor you. Is that how you say it? Vix.
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I mean, if that works like that is absolutely a beautiful concept. I think the reason people don't do it as often is because they're probably like our moments where it's hard. There's a battle of like who gets say or maybe the biological mom now has it together and wants the baby back completely. And so I think that's why it's hard to make happen.
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But like when it can happen and it happens so smoothly and like and that's that's incredible. Yeah.
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I have one son, Henry, age 12. Henry is best friends with a boy named Archie, age 14. It has always been clear that Archie comes from a troubled home. From what I can gather, and I do not have the full information, Archie's mom is a drug addict, and Archie has been on the at-risk register for a long time.
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Honestly, I don't know why it has taken them this long to decide he is being moved into foster care. Last Friday, I received a call from my son's school saying that they couldn't discuss it with me, but asked if I would give them consent for my information to be passed on to Archie's social worker. I agreed.
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And not long after, I had a call from his social worker explaining that a section something or other was being put into place, which meant that Archie was going to be removed from his home and placed into foster care. I was told that the school had recommended me and asked to see if I could take him in. They said it would likely be long term until he turns 18. I honestly didn't know what to say.
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I was in shock. I've been unofficially supporting Archie for a while now. I pick him up from his house and drop him off at school with my son. He spends a lot of weekends at my place. On days where he doesn't come to my place, I make sure to pack him something to eat when I pick him up because he told me that his school lunch is his only meal most days.
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I buy him soap and deodorant, and I even wash his clothes for him. By supporting however I can and taking him on fully is a big jump. I'm a single dad. I have a decent job, but I'm far from well off. I live in a small two-bedroom house, meaning Henry and Archie would have to share a room, which they do now when Archie stays, but it's only for short bursts.
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Plus, there's the responsibility of taking on another human. I was told that they had a lack of foster cares in the local area, so if I didn't agree to take him, it is likely he would have to move counties and schools. I don't want that. I was already having Archie stay with me for the two-week Christmas holiday, so I asked if I could think about it and give them a firm answer in the new year.
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They agreed. Archie has not yet been informed of any of this. I've tried to make this a normal Christmas for him as much as possible." My heart is telling me, of course you're going to take that little boy in. But my brain is worried about the responsibility and cost of taking another mouth to feed, another boy to clothe. At the same time, I keep thinking about Archie's situation.
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He has already had such a rough start in life, and I know he needs stability and care more than anything else. I can't bear the thought of him being uprooted again, losing his school, his friends, and the small semblance of normality that he has here. I keep asking myself if I can really give him what he needs, and I don't know if I have all the answers right now.
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I've always taught Henry the importance of kindness, and I see how much he cares about Archie too. Part of me feels that this might not just be me taking on more responsibility. It's also about giving him the chance to grow up with a sense of love and belonging. So, I suppose I'm left balancing what's practical with what feels right in my heart, and I'm leaning towards saying yes.
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I spoke to my own mom about it, and she thinks it's an awful idea. She's worried I'm biting off more than I can chew, especially as a single dad. She reminded me that I already have a lot on my own plate with work, the house, and raising Henry on my own.
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She said that taking in another child, especially one with a difficult background, would add stress and might affect my ability to provide for Henry properly. She didn't say it outright, but I could tell she's afraid that this might make life harder for all of us, including Archie. I understand her concerns. Honestly, I do. But I can't imagine just turning him away when he needs help the most.
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I'm going to cry. Okay. I told her that I haven't made a final decision yet, but that I need to think about what's best for everyone involved, not just what's easiest. And I haven't even discussed any of this with Henry yet, which will be a huge factor in my final decision. This has been a huge rant, and if you've read it, thank you. I just need to get it out somehow.
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Fuck you. Oh, God, I know. I always think about like my taxes just going straight to just like one presidential lunch of them talking about golf or something stupid. It pisses me off.
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And if you don't have a room for him, you can just put him under the staircase and he'll become a wizard. And then you'll have a wizard in your family. Oh, you're a wizard, Harry. No, but I mean, I think a lot of kids actually share rooms up until they're 18. And if, I mean, it's definitely doable. I don't think that's the end of the world.
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Yeah, yeah. For sure. But what you said, though, is like such a it's just funny that you're saying this today because I was texting Brian and I'm like. I'm like, people talk about foster fails, but they don't talk about the regret of not having a foster fail, because there is this one cat that I fostered that I literally still think about. And I'm like, Simba. Yes.
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crazy that i'm still thinking about a cat that i fostered like a year ago yeah yeah but like he was so cool he was just the and i also fostered him for like three months like it was actually a really really long time for fostering and i just you're right like that's a cat that i fostered for three months it's like this is a boy who he's already been like caring for family he's family he's family already so not knowing what happens to him that actually would be
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And I would like just outside of this situation, though, I would say I don't know how many other people listening to this are in this situation. But if it doesn't feel right for you, then obviously don't feel like you have to do it because you were asked to do it. Like you got to do what's like what's best for you, because if you're miserable, then the kid's going to be miserable, too.
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So obviously with that in mind. But this situation, it sounds like.
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It's doable. It sounds like destiny. Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be good. Top comment. Couple of thoughts. One, it's four years. Like obviously kids need support well beyond 18 if you can provide it. But if you can get that kid to graduate high school, you would already be a saint and nothing more could be expected of you. So it's not forever.
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Also, once that kid is 16, he can start working and helping around the house more legitimately. Both things are not just for your benefit, but also great things for him to learn. Two, ask social services what additional resources that you'd have access to if you were to foster. For example... Here where I live, foster kids qualify for free school lunches, so that's a cost you don't have to incur.
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I would also find a local foster parent group, as I'm sure there are other resources available that may not be even ran by the state. Real talk, if it was me, I would do it as long as I didn't think that Archie would be a danger to Henry. Like, unless you think Archie could be violent or a sexual predator kind of kid.
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Also, depending on what your job is, I would ask if they can help in any way. I say this as someone who works for a giant company. Yes, I would worry, but a 14-year-old kid in foster care is not something I'd be able to let happen to a kid I care about. Yeah. Top comment for a reason. Yeah. Anything else over there? I think they're all pretty much saying the same thing. Okay, cool.
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I'm like, what is there? Yeah. Well, because there's a lot of really long comments because obviously this is a very this is a
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Oh, my gosh. There's an update. What was that? I said, there's an update. Ah! Oh my gosh, it was on December 30th of 2024. Like a couple days ago. Yeah. Wow.
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I just wanted to come on and give an update. I want to say a huge thank you for all the responses. I genuinely did not expect to receive so many replies, especially to something that was just meant to be a rant to get my emotions out. Every possible thing that could go wrong, she was texting me about all week. In quotes, You're already stretched thin with work and Henry."
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You won't get one-on-one time with Henry anymore. How will you afford everything? These are real concerns and I'm glad she brought them up because they gave me the opportunity to think about how I could mitigate them. A few of you mentioned the fostering allowance, which I knew about, but I couldn't find any concrete information on how much it would actually be.
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Every source online seemed to give a different answer, but none suggested it was very much. However, as some of you advised, I called the social worker's office and said I was seriously considering taking an Archie, which they were thrilled about, but I needed to understand the finances first to see if it was even feasible.
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They said they couldn't provide exact numbers as every case is different and it isn't decided until a placement is found. However, they told me the minimum would be around £190, which is about $240 per week, and that it would be likely completely tax-free. Additionally, I'd receive a significant discount on things like council tax.
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That was honestly a lot more than I expected and much higher than most of the figures I'd seen online. They also put me in touch with some other foster carers who answered my questions, which was incredibly helpful. This week has been very busy. I worked out my finances, added the estimated fostering allowance, and calculated how much Archie would likely increase my expenses.
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It worked out that I'd actually have a surplus compared to my current situation. Many of the foster carers I spoke to don't work full-time, using the allowance to supplement their income. I'm not sure if I want to do that, but they mention it helps to work part-time since fostering involves a lot of work, meetings, reports, and other responsibilities.
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On top of that, I'd need to complete training during the first year to become fully qualified. I considered it, and with the additional allowance, I could move to a 0.6 contract. working three days per week while still covering the cost of moving to a three-bedroom house. While that would leave me with slightly less disposable income, it wouldn't be a significant reduction.
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I've spoken with my work and they said that they'd support me if I decided to do this, but I haven't made a final decision. I don't want it to seem like I'm taking advantage of Archie's allowance. After sorting out the finances, I needed to talk to Henry. This was honestly the most important part of my decision. If Henry said no, I'd struggle to go ahead with it.
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I took him out and explained the situation. I didn't go into details of why Archie is going into care, as it's not my story to tell, even though Archie himself has been open about his rough home life. I discussed the potential challenges, less one-on-one time, less privacy, at least in the short term while we find a bigger house, and so on. Henry was incredibly supportive.
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He said that he and Archie had talked about how they both wished Archie could come and live with us. I'm going to cry again. I told him not to mention anything to Archie yet until I had the chance to speak with him, and he agreed. Yesterday, I arranged for social services to come over. Archie, his social worker, and I sat down to talk. They told Archie he was going to be placed into foster care.
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Archie cried a lot. I cried a lot. And he asked to see his mom, which the social worker said they'd arrange as soon as possible. In that moment, Archie didn't seem like a teenager. He seemed like a small child whose world was crumbling. You crying is making me cry more. Okay. Afterward, Archie and his social worker spoke privately, and then the social worker and I talked.
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They expressed how thrilled they were about my decision and said that they were pleased I planned to move to a bigger house soon, as Archie would need his own space, which I fully agreed with. Normally, the boys spend most of their time upstairs playing Xbox, but later that day, Archie came down and asked if we could watch a movie together.
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He sat next to me, rested his head on my shoulder, and said, "'Thank you for letting me stay with you.'" Writing this, I can feel tears welling up in my eyes again. I put my arm around him and said I'd always be there for him. Today, Archie seems a little down, which is entirely understandable. I honestly expected him to take it harder than he has.
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To cheer him up, we're going to see the new Lion King movie. I saw that. Even though I hate those live action films, but this is for Archie. And then going out to eat, letting the boys choose where. I might return in a few months to give an update on how things are going. For now, I'm just hoping everything will be okay. I know the first few months will be the hardest. Thank you, everyone.
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yeah happy that it worked out like this those years like 14 to 18 to you are huge like that's everything it's like that shaped who i became it's like if he were to even be staying with his mom his biological mom at the time like he kind of like what we were talking about earlier like these two different
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versions of life or multiple different versions of life that just little decisions change things. It's just like, it's so impactful that he now has this father figure who seems like such a loving person. And I just know he's going to make like a beautiful family, like out of the three of them.
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Do you want to hear these two comments that are cute on this one? So one comment says, you absolute hero. You've changed that child's life for the better forever. Yeah. An OP responded and said, I hope I do. If I get anything out of this at all, I just hope I can make a difference. Another commenter said, thanks for the update.
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You sound like an incredible parent and you're doing something amazing. You are really an inspiration as a father and a man. It feels like I could learn a lot from you. Please do another update. Wishing you and your family all the best. Happy New Year and have a wonderful 2025.
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oh it's just like when they're so fresh like that it just even more so it's like we're in it with them right now like i want to leave and end the podcast make it short so i can go and cry for 20 minutes
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You just had to throw in that there's something special at the end so they don't leave after I was like, I'm going to go cry.
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If you want to read, that would be... Justin will get the last one to cap us off. Okay. This one is coming from...
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r slash off my chest and it's titled boyfriend 31 male woke me 34 female up at 2 a.m to make him dinner i made him leave instead i am seriously never dating again no advice needed just one event throw away for the usual reasons so i became official with this guy a couple months ago he was sweet kind funny gorgeous the usual stuff everything was fine what
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We'd stay at each other's places, have date nights, general relationship stuff. In short, no red flags. A couple beige ones here and there, but everyone has those. Then came the other night. He's currently having to pick up the slack at his job due to multiple people quitting.
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We decided to spend the weekend at my place as his roommates can be quite loud, and he needed to concentrate on fixing a system at his job so he can remotely work. Friday is fine. We stay in, and in between his working, we do the usual couple stuff. I love how she writes this. Saturday comes, and something has gone wrong, and the stress has doubled.
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So he isn't eating anything I make, which is fine. I simply remind him there are leftovers in the fridge. By 11 p.m., he's still working, so I head to bed. I am then startled awake by him at 2 a.m. shaking me, telling me he's hungry now. Shaking me awake? No. Like a child. I'm honestly completely confused and so sleepy while he rattles on about coconut shrimp or something.
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Still half asleep, I just stare at him as I try to work out what the fuck is happening. I'm guessing my silence pissed him off as he started having a go at me for not doing my duty as his girlfriend. That woke me up fully and I told him to get out of my house. His attitude changed then and he was apologizing, but I just repeated myself and eventually he left the room.
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I followed him, picking up his stuff, putting it into a bag and once again told him to get out. He looked like a deer in headlights. He kept trying to say sorry and hug me and it was only when I threw his car keys into his arms that he realized I was serious and left. What a badass.
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I know. Never dating again. I love that. I like how she wrote it. We do have an update. Do we want that? Or should we just skip it?
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Next one. All right. Update. Holy sweet jeebus. Hmm. That's a new word for me. I don't like it. That's a lot of notifications. What? Yeah. Weirdos. I know. On to the update. He came into my job to talk and explained that his friends saw a video of a woman being woken up to cook for her man, and they decided to test it out on their partners as a loyalty test. Oh, those idiots. What? Yeah.
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So my initial judgment of him being an idiot was correct. He was surprised when I broke up with him, but he was calm and accepting, albeit sad. Either way, that's over with. To answer a few concerns. No, no drugs, just bad judgment. No mental health concerns. Yes, he's stressed, but it's surface stress. That'll be fine once his work hires some new people, I'm sure.
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Honestly, not my concern anymore. And third, someone mentioned unconditional love? The relationship was less than three months. Chill out. Seriously, though, thank you for even taking the time to read my sleepy ramblings. I'm going to buy myself a nice bottle of wine once I've finished work as a thank you to myself for not settling. Until next time. Ta-ta. She didn't say ta-ta.
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But actually, this is something that I've been thinking about coming into January and New Year. You know, everyone's kind of like reflecting and what do they want to do moving forward? And one of the things that I really realized is that, you know, we're on our phones and we're on social media so much as a culture, all of us, all of us humans. And
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I had such a dark period of time when I had my For You page on TikTok, all really negative stuff. And it like I can't even tell. I felt like I was drowning in darkness. And then and then there's like videos that I would come across where people say it with such confidence that I'm like, oh, that makes sense.
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Like they're like, if you don't do this, you're a bad person or like they're only a good friend. If they call you when they're busy, not just call you when they have time. And, like, stuff like this that people will constantly be filling your head with when you're on social media, that people do make these decisions.
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You know, they do decide to wake up their girlfriend like, oh, yeah, that's a great loyalty test. And I think it's just a good reminder, like, if you're in a bad headspace, like... Take a second and think about what you're consuming online. It maybe seems innocent. You're just swiping a few different little videos. But it can eat at you. It can make you believe things that aren't even your truth.
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It may be somebody else's truth, but it's not yours. And you've just convinced yourself because they said it so confidently. So... I just feel like it's a good time to remind people that even things that we say on this podcast, this is an opinion podcast. If I say something that pisses you off or you don't agree with, don't let it ruin your day. My opinion is not the universal truth.
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Yeah, I don't really care if it does change. Even if it flips and he's fantastic, bye. They were children, specifically her. I mean, what, they've been together for seven years and she's now 23? So she was what, like a freshman or sophomore in high school? She was a baby. Yeah, 17-ish. So to only experience a romantic relationship that is...
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Like, form your own life and your own opinions and, like, it's so easy to, like... Chat it out with us.
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I was addicted to it, which is the crazy part. It scratched something from me.
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Yeah, absolutely. No, and I mean, the internet, I mean, we all know this. It can be really... It can be really dark. And actually, obviously, like we've sometimes comments, people say not nice things. But like for the most part, I actually think we have like an insanely positive community compared to some of the stuff that I see people write.
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I really appreciate that. Like it feels even when people maybe don't agree with something I said. It feels like they are responding to me as if we're in the room together. Like, actually, I disagree because this is my point of view. And I really I love that positivity.
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And I would I just I would encourage everyone to do that anywhere you're commenting on the Internet because it can get really dark.
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only average at best is what it sounds like, you need to leave. Like even if it does get better, like leave anyway and don't feel bad. I mean, I don't know why. That's what's confusing is like where, why does she feel bad? I don't, if you don't want to be with someone, if you're not happy, you shouldn't feel bad. It's better for everyone if you leave.
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Yeah, if someone tells you that. What's the point in her saying that? Just break up with him. What the fuck? People are so cruel.
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How... I don't know why this is just not computing to me. Like, a lot of girls these days just ghost people, but yet he's having these girls say, like, your personality, but I'm not attracted to your appearance. Like... It's quite strange to me. It's very strange to me. And it just doesn't feel... It feels like it's such a... Like, he's projecting this.
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Like, it feels like he thinks this about... He's, like, telling this narrative in his head. And so when somebody's looking at him, he's just, like, they're looking at how creepy I look. I don't know. It's just... It's, like, really... This is, like, really sad, honestly, to hear this.
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Oh, it's so subjective. Exactly. And so it's, like, there are so many girls that would literally just... want him because he's 6'6". Like, there are people who, like, literally are attracted to people for, like, a simple reason like that.
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Like, I don't... And it's sad that... And he's trying to act like, you know, I'm not... I'm not hurt by it. I'm not hurt by it. I'm not saying something negative about myself. Like, yes, you are. You don't think you deserve love?
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And I it's also just like he's like I got turned down by so many girls in the past. It's like. Yeah. That happens all the time to a lot of people. I've been turned down by a lot of dudes. It's okay. Like, that happens. So, I don't know. It just seems like he continues to feed this narrative and then he continues to act on that. Like, lose the confidence.
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I want this to be like, I realize I'm beautiful and now I'm in love.
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What? I mean, it's just a brick wall. Yeah, exactly. I'm just like, again, I'm like, even if like he looks identical to the guy from the Goonies, like they're absolutely a hundred million percent people out there that would still love you. So it's just like, stop. Yeah. Stop being so degrading to yourself.
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Yeah. And it sounds like she already knows and she just wants other people to convince her into it because it is scary. Kind of like what you said, pull the ripcord. It's that jump that's the scariest part. But once she's free falling, it's going to be amazing. And she's going to look back and be like, oh my God, I'm so glad I did that. What if I didn't? And I was still in that situation.
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So I think she already knows the answer. It's just about when she's going to make it happen.
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We are here. That's so wonderful. Oh my gosh. I like, I didn't know. I thought it would end after like he had a nice time talking to a new girl. Like not. Oh, not like a complete transformation. This is so wonderful. This was such a good heartwarming episode. Like it was just wonderful.
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And also, like, lean on your friends sometimes. Like, his friends, again, they were misguided about it and they needed to have a conversation. But, like, they wanted to support him. They wanted to help him. Because they saw.
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Yeah, no, it's that's so well said. I think what you said, too, I mean, we all are kind of ingrained to care about what other people think. And parts of it are good to care what other people think. But at the same time, like if it's running your life, like it is really important to stop yourself and think like, what am I doing and what am I doing it for?
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And kind of like what we've said this whole episode, like go back to your center, like write down what makes you happy in your heart and start operating and building a life around you that consists of those things. And then you'll attract the right people and you'll attract the right things and you'll find your place. You'll build your own worlds. And this episode is just so cool.
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And they ended up staying together up until this point. And well, I mean, they got divorced now. But she was saying that when her friends would give her advice from high school that she thought, you know, they just think he's annoying. They just, you know, whatever. But she moved away with him to another state, made new friends.
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I thought it was really cool. I saw something online once where this guy said that he wanted to lose weight, but he just hated going to the gym. And he didn't really, like, he didn't really want to do it, but he knew that it would be good for him. So he started going to the gym regularly. Every day. That was his New Year's or like his goal where he would just go inside the gym and then leave.
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He wouldn't work out. And so he started doing that every day. And then he'd be like, okay, I'll just go on the treadmill.
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And then I'll go for like two minutes. And then he'd go home. And then he's like, well, I'm already here. Five minutes. And then he just built on that. And then he ended up losing like 200 pounds or something crazy.
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Like over the course of, you know, a year or two years or something like that.
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And that's what I think... Just get your little feet wet. I would say like for people making New Year's resolutions, like... Think about it that way, things that you want, like just kind of make these little goals that will just keep you consistent and have a routine because that's really important.
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But if you're like, oh, I want to lose 50 pounds by March, like you're going to burn out and you're going to be like, this is stupid.
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But it's not a dietitian. It's the point. But you get it. I think that when you get attainable.
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Yeah. I mean, if that works for you, that's great. But don't be discouraged if it doesn't. Exactly. I think a lot of people get really discouraged and then they're like all or nothing. And I just think that it's, to me personally, I felt that that was really cool. That post that I saw. I love that. Yeah. So I wanted to share. I love that.
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And the new friends pulled her aside and said, this is abusive and it's not OK. And that's when she was like, OK. Wow. Okay. Like that was her like realization. Her wake up call. Yeah. That her friends weren't just being like he's annoying. You deserve more.
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It was like an objective point of view. And so she finally left him. And some of the stories she told too. It's like it's definitely an emotional abusive relationship. Good for her. Yeah. But. I mean, it sounds like that's what it reminds me of with this situation.
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And so, OP, do not feel bad just because you're around other people that are making you see the light and see objectively what your relationship is for what it is. Absolutely. Well...
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I always do this where I'm like, so then why does the wife think he did it?
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I was an easy target for him to make fun of to get laughs from his friends and he liked feeling funny and impressive in front of his friends and so he would find a way to make me the butt of the joke and it didn't feel good but I knew that he was just trying to be cool and so and I knew that it wasn't like he didn't love me he just hated me okay
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I we were at war, dude. I wonder how many other people think that way, because how big of an age gap are you guys again? Eight years. OK, so, yeah, he he was kind of at that age.
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It can be like a hit or miss. They're like the kids are old enough to kind of know what's going on. Yep. Yeah. So sorry about that, Morgan. It's OK.
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That's the thing. She didn't even make a joke on him. She was literally just standing up for herself. That's not embarrassing him.
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Oh, speaking of Beep Beep Ops, you know that new Kendrick Lamar song? Yeah. Bing bong, bing bong, bong bong.
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I obviously don't know exactly the right song, but I've watched a few TikToks. And I said that to my boyfriend. I'm like, do you know that new song? And I said it like that. And he looked at me and rolled his eyes and he's like, yeah, sure. He thought that that's just how I heard Kendrick Lamar. No, it's a bop. I'm like, no, it's an actual song. I played it for him.
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Right. Yeah. And I, okay, I said I wouldn't go as far as saying that he doesn't love her. We don't know that. Like, Big assumption. But I feel confident in assuming that he doesn't respect her. And what is a romantic relationship? What is any relationship if you don't have respect?
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I want to do my own Father Knows and be the host. You can have... Girl, take it. Take an episode or two or ten. No, I mean, like, I don't know if you remember me saying this, but I was like, I'm going to make my own podcast one day and have it be called Lauren Knows More Than Jerry. He would feel attacked. It would be to attack him.
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So that made my day. Oh, my gosh. That is... That is a day maker. I wasn't ready for this. See, you had this prepped. I did.
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Yeah, I would say so. Because if my partner did that to me, I would be really annoyed. Because, okay, I like that you're concerned about safety and health. That's a great quality. I'm really happy you have that. You're looking out for your partner. That's wonderful. But you need to have the conversation before you just take their stuff and destroy it.
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It's like, why was it illegal? I need to know. I have no idea. Listening back to that episode. I have no idea. I actually really like her songs. So I really, I can't believe I didn't listen to that episode.
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It's a bad trend. You guys, we discovered that our For You pages are like so different.
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There's a process. They heat it up. Oh. I don't know the process of milk. I also don't drink milk. I don't either.
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Well, I'm really happy about my new job. Yeah, so I really like it and I'm really excited about it. And it's been, oh my gosh, I've spent so much time working from home. taking meetings from home and being back out in person in front of people is just, it's really, really good for me. To get out, have coworkers again. Just talk to people in person. It just feels really good.
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Also, that motion I just did. Oh, I wasn't even thinking the hands. I'm thinking their mouth is on it. Oh, sucking it like a bottle?
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being violated oh my gosh yeah i know it's it's funny i i really don't uh drink milk anymore and it's not i've never really had an active thought about it like what what they say about you move to california and you start getting almond milk and like oat milk it's not a lie it's just kind of forced upon you it happens without even your consent oat milk latte this almond matcha that anyway
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There was like a TikTok shop trend where people bought that milker. Our friend Sarah used to do it all the time. I don't know if you knew that.
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I'm picturing it as like a bomb that she's like, or like a hot potato. She's like throwing it back and forth until she gets in the sink. And yeah, that's my vision.
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Maybe. I mean, it's like some people do have those type of thought processes and like kind of hypochondriac type of nisses. I don't know what I'm saying. So that could very well be it.
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I've had that same experience. I get that experience, but I feel like tofu, it tastes like nothing. Dude, it's just a piece of nothingness.
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And I've spent so much time like ever since the pandemic. Yeah, within my own home. So that's like my positive. I love that. Yeah. We can end there. That was really good. Okay. I'm just trying to think of like a weird thing that's happened because I feel like weird things have happened recently, but I'm just like blanking on them. Maybe one of the stories today will jog your memory. Yeah.
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That's what they usually do. I'm looking it up. I'm waiting. I'm so curious. No. What? Let me see. No. So buffalo blitz wrap. Crispy buffalo chicken. Oh, because they have it chicken. That's not chicken. That's chicken. How was I supposed to know? It looks like chicken to me. No, that's the vegetarian way. It's like a specific type of chicken. It's tofu that they call chicken? Yeah.
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They take out the middle part and just add a little dash and an N. Yeah, that's...
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I haven't checked Instagram really today, so that's probably why. Last night, it was like midnight, and I'm like, why didn't she repost it?
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,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, So that's what I was kind of like, wait, who's Yob? Is it Jesus?
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Well, you've mentioned this so many times with champagne, so it definitely is something that I'm always thinking about having my hand over it. Yeah.
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Oh, my gosh. Okay. Well, I should have a disclosure, you guys. I've had really bad sleep the past two nights. I haven't slept. And so I've been having a hard time forming my sentences. And so if you notice that, that's why. When I get a lack of sleep, I have a hard time sometimes getting what's in my brain out of my mouth.
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Yeah, well, there's a thing called editing, luckily. Yeah, but you're so fine. Okay.
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Oh, four scores and seven years ago. Four scores. What were we saying before? I think you were just saying that it's been four years.
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I don't know why, too, because I love them. So I don't know why... It's such a spa, like getting your scalp scrubbed. So nice. Oh, it's amazing. I just, I cry every time I get my hair cut ever since I was like a kid. Really? Well, not, not actual tears now. Well, one time, but I just get really stressed out about it. Oh my gosh.
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Ooh, okay. What were you going to say, though? I was just going to say, like, I just find it really frustrating when people do try to see the worst in...
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It's like, I don't know. I just, well, let's go with like donating. So we'll have like some, a billionaire pop star donate money to some cause and people will be like, oh, that's a drop in the bucket to you, even though it's millions of dollars. And then they say all these negative things and then they'll say something like, oh, they're only donating just because it makes them feel good.
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It's a selfish motive. You know, stuff like that. And would you rather they don't donate millions of dollars at all? Yeah. And so that and that's the thing that's frustrating to me when people like to just try to pick people apart in the worst way. It's like, oh, OK, so what if they have more money than a couple million and they're donating a couple million? What are you donating?
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What are you doing? Is it is it more than a drop in the bucket for you? Like, does it make you feel good when you donate? Like, why? Why do you have to pick people apart? And so I just I think in this situation, yes, you could you could wonder, is this guy doing it for the wrong reasons? But if he's giving you no other reason to think that he's sketchy, then why are you jumping to that conclusion?
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full circle it's I mean it's insane because I feel like I remember that like it was yesterday I can't believe it's been four years and it's just so funny because I remember so well thinking that I'm talking into these cameras I'm talking to this microphone and thinking like it's just I'm talking to like maybe two of our other friends who are gonna listen I'm like I'm Because I just didn't know.
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Sorry, I just started watching How I Met Your Mother again. I'm literally rewatching it.
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We didn't have an audience. So we didn't know where it would go at that moment. And so I assumed that it would at least take a few episodes until it could start growing. But you guys jumped on immediately. So fast. And we were just... I couldn't believe that we were talking to so many of you guys from that first episode.
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I need a second, though. I know. Right. I'm like, if a guy even lied about kissing me, I would. I think that's happened, actually, like in college. You've talked about it before. It's ringing a bell. Yeah, it's ringing a bell. But I don't know. I clearly like shut that out. But I would. I would. Oh, no. You do not lie about kissing.
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That's what I don't know. Exactly. And that's why I'm like, I have zero tolerance. Like a guy did that to one of my friends in high school. He she didn't touch him. Nothing wasn't even friends with him. And he told everyone that he took her flower, I think, or like took her virginity, whatever he said. And we, oh my God, I was so angry. Like, I don't know what is wrong with somebody to feel angry.
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that it's a good idea to lie about being intimate with somebody else.
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And it's crazy to see how far... It's come in like this community that you built. It's so amazing and special. So yay, Morgan. Clap, clap, clap.
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I just like I can't with people who lie like that, create stories, create false narratives like pathological liars. It's scary. Terrify me. Terrify me. I don't even like when somebody tells a story about me in a different light. Like, their version. You know what I mean? It always has to be Lauren's version. Or, like, just an objective, like, version. It's just... Keep my name out of your mouth.
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They could be like, oh, and then Lauren said, I don't like that. And when really I just said, hey, I really don't like that. It's how everyone interprets stuff.
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He gets off on it in some way. Yeah. Well, and like the fact that he's been having like a new girl around each month and like continued that into college, too. And then is having fantasies about all the friend group like that to me feels like there's like some like like a sex addict thing.
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That's true. He's bringing a new girl around each time, but it's just a friend or it's just a lie.
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I was picturing him like bringing a friend or like a girl to the friend group. But yeah, it could just you're right. Could just be a lie. which that could just be a combination of things.
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Five months, six months. Yeah, it's literally like the exact same time, basically.
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Well, it's so smart too because it's like... It's so frustrating for both parent and child, I imagine, to not be able to communicate with each other. So the faster that you can communicate with each other, that's amazing. I remember when I was little, I was yelling to my dad and I was like, I want sips. And he's like, you want chips? You want sips of something? Oh, my God.
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He couldn't figure out what I was saying. I don't even know what I was saying.
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I think I told you guys this on the podcast before, but like when I was little, I'd be like, look at that cow. And I was pointing to a car and my siblings would mess with me and they'd be like, what cow? There's no cow anywhere here. And I'd be like, no, it's a cow. The wet cow. Because I didn't, I couldn't say my R's when I was little. Yeah. At all. It's okay, Lauren. That was my name. It's okay.
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Aw. Be nice to kids with speech impediments, okay? Impediments? You said that so... I loved it. Crispy. Yes, crispy.
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I want to know what she gave him because I might want some. Just kidding. But... We can't sleep. No. No. But, like, I'm actually... Well, okay. Is it, like, NyQuil? Is it something a little bit more... Klonopin, Xanax.
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Like, that's what I'm wondering. I'm like, was she trying to be playful? Like, she put some NyQuil in so that he would fall asleep and stop arguing with her and she was like, oh, it was funny. It's a little NyQuil. But the way he reads it makes it sound really psycho. Like it was like she went and like bought some drugs from like a drug dealer and was like, I'm going to.
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like and the way that she's like i watched your eyes get red and i just watched you that's creepy i mean wait wait let me rewind first of all it's never okay to put anything in anyone's drink ever okay so i just want to make that very clear this is this is so bad no it's so messed up i i'm just trying to understand the level of messed up it is okay so i just want to make sure everyone knows that let's make that very clear
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I'm going to put it in his tea. Is it like I'm drinking NyQuil, I'm going to put some in his too so that we just go to bed and like and stop fighting? Or was it like or it's like you she's actually you should change your address, change your phone number, like get plastic surgery, like you look like a different person kind of thing.
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She started with like a threat. Oh, this is scary. This is a woman that, like, she could be a killer. I mean, what I was thinking as I'm hearing this story is Gone Girl. Oh, my God.
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The mask is slipping. Well. And now she feels like she has him locked in. They're engaged. So now she can start slowly. So now she starts to slowly introduce this side of her to him.
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Yeah. And well, I mean, also sometimes when people are so close, they don't see certain things. It's like you got to I've said this before, but I had a teacher who talked about the balcony and dance floor. I don't know if you call it theory or situation theory.
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Where it's like you have to be on the dance floor, live your life, but you also have to take a break and go up onto the balcony to look over the dance floor and understand the situation and what's going on. And so I think sometimes when people are just in the dance floor, they are not seen from a bigger picture what's going on.
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Oh, I remember my weird. Okay. So yesterday I was driving to work and I was out and about all day and didn't really have my phone on me. And then I realized when I was looking at my Apple Watch that my boyfriend texted me and said, you took the keys to your car because I ended up taking his car. So I accidentally had my keys and then his car. So he was kind of like stuck at home.
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And you don't only want to stay in the balcony because you want to be present and in the moment. So it's kind of this like balance of.
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Why are you complaining, bro? Shut up. Like, no, I'm sorry. I don't mean to dumb you.
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He works from home, so it's fine. But anyway. He's kind of annoyed, right? Which is fair. He's like, can you let me know if the keys are here? Because I was trying to go to a workout class.
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I don't know if it's, it's like, I mean, you're losing a part of yourself in a way. It's just, it's like a change.
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And it was already booked. Yeah. Oh, you don't want that cancellation penalty. Oh. But I'm waiting in line in the bathroom. And I don't have my phone. I have my watch. And so I talk into my watch trying to do a voice text. And it was loud in the restaurant. So I am trying to make sure it's clear. So I go... Yes, I took my keys and I have been in back to back meetings all day.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, how long it's been since son and partner passed.
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You knew this, but sorry, did not mean to take keys. And I send it and then all of a sudden it goes and I look at it and it's a voice memo. It is not voice text. It is a voice memo. Oh, no. Your little robot voice. And I'm like, I have to go back to this meeting and I'm trying not to laugh at how ridiculous that must have sounded.
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And so I'm sitting there just like holding in a laugh and then I get a text from him. It pops up and he goes, he goes, you didn't need to give me that attitude. Oh, man. The fact that he didn't even like, that he just thought that was me giving him attitude. Yeah. Oh, my God. Anyway, I don't know if that was that funny, but that was my weird. Sorry, I just had to share. I like it.
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I didn't even think about the fact of, like, working together, too. I was just thinking about the friendship.
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Because you liked each other that much? Yeah, because you're both consenting adults. And that's the thing, too, is that that's why I'm like, OK, I'm viewing it more less of like I dated my boss's son behind her back. And I'm viewing it more of like my best friend, because like if I was dating your brother, Taylor. And I was just like, by the way, Morgan, I've been dating him for a year.
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It's literally like scraggles. How did it get so long? Because I am really bad about getting haircuts. And so I pretty much get them cut once it's really scraggly at the end. Damn, girl. The guy that I get my haircut from, he always thinks I go somewhere else in between him. And I'm like, no. This is literally just how few and far between I get haircuts. Wow. I know.
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you didn't let on at all you did but like it fucked up lauren but yeah you did it right you did a good job right you did a good job but but you would still be like wait but you're like my best friend like why didn't you tell me yeah for a whole year how did you keep such a big thing from me so that's more where i was thinking about it was at from a best friend angle than a boss angle if that makes sense
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Because I think that it's just hurtful to think that someone that you're so close with has been keeping something from you for that long.
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Right. Oh, gosh. Yeah, I... Well, because I wasn't thinking about... the other fact where it's like, not only is her best friend lying, but her son is lying. She has her two most important people in her life that felt like they couldn't be honest with her. And, and that they didn't think that she'd be supportive and that she has to deal with that feeling.
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And knowing that her son left this world without her, telling her about a relationship he was really excited about. And so there's just all these feelings I'm sure that she's going through. That's just so, oh, so tough. And I mean, this is a good, I'm glad that it, it resulted in this way, but I just, it is very emotional. Like, oh, it's sad.
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Exactly. And I have been thinking about that so much because I have lived my life for so long kind of thinking more in that, oh, I want to appease my boss. Like, oh, I wouldn't I wouldn't do that because I don't want my boss to be upset with me or boss, sorry, or best friend, that type of thing. And then it's like recently I've started realizing it's like we have one life. it's not that long.
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Sometimes it's really short. And if you feel like you're in love with boss's son, best friend's son, then it's like you should let yourself feel those feelings and live that life and stop trying to worry about what everyone else is thinking. And of course, you want to be mindful of your best friends and the people around you and the people you love.
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But when you're in love in a romantic relationship and you feel it and it's real, I just think that I've just shifted in my mindset about it right now about stop worrying so much about everything else. And just if it feels real, if it feels right, if there's respect, if there's deep love, then go for it.
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You don't know. I don't want to live in a cave, Lauren. I'm scared of the dark. Well, you might not be if you... Oh, that sounds like a great Disney movie in the making. A bat who's afraid of the dark.
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Let's be real. I'm going there for my birthday again this year. I was just thinking about the fact that your birthday is coming up. I know. I just want to do something. I love the Disney day. I feel like your birthday was like literally five seconds ago.
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Oh, I'm so glad that the mom reacted so positively. No, well, no, that's not what I was going to say. I didn't even ask the question if he knew that. Yeah, that the baby is there. And I don't know. I don't know if that's a weird thing to say, but I'm happy that he knew that. Mm hmm.
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No, I haven't seen all of them. But it's okay. It's okay. I normally don't want any giveaways, but when it's shows like this where I kind of just tune in for the good vibes and like the funny little one-liners, then I'm not worried about you spoiling anything. So it's okay.
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Oh my gosh, for the people who are only listening, I'm not fully just laughing at her. I do have tears in my eyes, too. I'm laughing, crying with her. It's a really beautiful moment, okay?
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i'm like what the fuck happened man well okay well well yeah take it away um oh my gosh i have so much love for you guys right now by the way i just feel like you guys have been like
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phenomenal and amazing and such a good support system lately I just want to tell you how I can't even express how much I appreciate you guys and and just to like kind of go back from the first thing that we said this has been four years like we are it's literally like the four-year anniversary and
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And I just I can't even explain how amazing it is that you guys are here with us and how proud I am of you, Morgan. Like, it's so cool to watch your friend talk about this vision that she has and then make it come true. Make it bigger than I could have ever imagined. Like, I'm just so proud of you. And are you trying to fuck me?
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Well, because you... Oh, you go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say, I also am kind of a little nervous about how I'm like perceived on the internet. It's scary to be perceived. Yeah. So I think when you brought this idea up to me, it was definitely intimidating. But I'm glad every time I come here, you know, I'm really glad that I come here because it feels really good to be here with you guys.
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Like I think about things and talk about things that I wouldn't. And it just...
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No, she's not being the asshole. I think that was a really great response. And if he's willing to say stuff like that to her in front of a group of people, then he should be able to expect to take it right back.
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Like you could dish it. Yeah. But when you get a little chirp back, you can't take it. Right. Exactly. And that's annoying. And I think that in that moment, He should have said, I'm sorry. I was just I was just joking. I didn't mean to offend. Like, I, you know, love you. Like, we can talk about this later. Yeah. And then go about the night.
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And then when he gets home, he says, hey, like, I really thought you would laugh. I had no idea. Like, was that too far? Like, talk to me about your feelings. I'm so sorry. Yeah. But instead, he's like, you embarrassed me. And that's annoying.
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And that's why if they had that relationship, because sometimes people have relationships where they do joke like that with each other. And if that was the relationship, then that would have been known in that moment. But clearly he knew that was not the relationship dynamic between them. And it makes it seem like it's something that he and his friends joke about behind her back.
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And so he was trying to make appease them instead of looking out for her. And that's 100% what it was.
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Like, I don't I mean, I that I wouldn't make like jump. You wouldn't go that far. Yeah, I wouldn't go that far because I mean, what it reminds me of, honestly, is when I was little and my sibling would do that to me. Like, I know that he still loved me, loves me, but.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I think yours is avoidance. And his is being easily influenced. Correct.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So throughout the last year, we, I mean, again, you'll see it. We talk about it a million times. Like Minneapolis is so small. We were joking yesterday at the reunion that how many times was it mentioned? Like I ran into you at a bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems like there's one bar in Minneapolis. There's probably three. Okay.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I mean, I think the noise destroyed it. I also think his like inability to work through that in a relationship destroyed it. Like I think, I mean, I remember thinking at the time too, every other couple that we were with was dealing with shit. As you see, there was noise from other sisters or from TikTok or from family. A lot of sisters this season.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And everyone else, like it honestly seemed like some of the couples got stronger for it. The way that they communicated through it, the way they kind of had each other's backs. Um, like you see Sarah too, talking about how she's like, I'm not going to dismiss her, but I do like, I'm engaged to you. I want to believe you. And I trust that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I remember thinking like, how come every other couple is going through this conflict with this noise and is coming out stronger because of it. And Dave and I weren't. Do you feel like he tried to kind of like villainize you for your past? Yeah. I think he wanted it to be my fault or this guy's fault or his or my dad's fault. It was everybody else's fault.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. So that was actually, it was over two times that he had met my dad. So he met, we met my parents for drinks the first night and my dad just had a lot of questions. Like I remember he came in and he had like a napkin of like 15 handwritten questions for this person. Like I cried when he pulled it out and saw it. And it was like, I mean the basic stuff of like, How do you feel about Lauren?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like, how do you feel about marriage? Are you ready for this? All these things. And he also knew that Dave didn't come home the night before because I went to go see my parents. So he was like, what happened last night? And honestly, it was a really good conversation. I remember like Dave answered the questions really well. He was very engaged in it.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
He was trying to under, like they were, it was a really good conversation between everyone. And then I think, and then so we go back and we made it, we meet up for coffee the next morning. And I think my dad had sat there and just like thought about it and was just like, oh my gosh, you're going to get married in two weeks. And he didn't come home the night before.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And you guys are still tackling stuff that maybe you should not be tackling at this stage of a relationship. And so he was just much more direct with Dave and was like, if this isn't 100%, don't get married. Like this is the biggest decision you'll ever make. And I remember feeling an energy shift with Dave. Like, he kind of, like, sat back and, like, crossed his arms, too.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So I would say like we've ran into each other throughout the last year, but we've never really like had a conversation about anything. So when I ran into him a week ago, he was, I could tell he was like excited to talk to me about it because I don't think that he's seen it this way in the last year. And I think he was excited to be like, look at this revelation that I've come to.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Yeah. Like, he, like, was kind of physically pulling himself away. And I could see that shift. But I think my dad was just worried for me. He just wanted me to make the right choice.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I think so.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yes. I think he felt attacked and it was, that was like frustrating to watch back because I'm like, how do you think I felt for the last like two weeks? And so I don't think my dad said anything groundbreaking to him. I think he just addressed what was happening in a way that,
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Wasn't very kind not that's I don't want to say that wasn't very like soft the way that I was kind of like talking to Dave about I think my dad was saying exactly what I was saying, but in a tone that was a little bit more like What the fuck are you doing?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I knew like Molly and I are friends and we've talked a lot throughout the last year. And I knew based on conversations we've had that she supported me, but I had no idea that she rode that hard for me. And I was watching it being like, this is, I believe what the world is probably saying at their TVs right now. 100%. And she knew none of that. Like Dave and I broke up 24 hours before.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
She went into that day thinking Dave and I were still engaged. And so when she sat down, she was like, I don't know if I want to tell you this. And like, we had this conversation about how we broke up and the way she was able to take that and like internalize it and then communicate that to Dave in such a clear way. I just, I'm like amazed by her. She did such a good job.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I felt very supported by her.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
The Ski Hill? It really looks... It's very Minnesotan. I will say, like, I feel like people ask me all the time. Like, we did not drink that much on set or just, like, in general. But, like, for some reason that night, I think they were like, let's... Let's let it flow. Um, I was definitely not sober, but I was more sober than him and I could pick up on that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Um, I went into that day 24 hours after we broke up being like, I don't need clarity from him. I don't need closure from him. Like I've been hearing the same fucking things for two weeks and I don't need to hear it again tonight. Like I just didn't feel the need to even engage in a conversation.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Um, so when he came up and we talked, it was interesting to see like this full 180 of the tiniest bit of accountability. Um, and it was, it was like a reminder of how easily influenced he is by his surroundings because it's his friends in his ear. And now here it's Molly in his ear and he has like pivoted since then. And so he's like telling me some of these things. And I remember thinking like,
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And so we were sitting talking or we were like standing talking when we ran into each other a week ago and he was like, I just see it so differently now. Like this guy ruined our relationship. Yeah. And my gut reaction is like, he didn't ruin the relationship. I didn't ruin the relationship. You ruined it. You ruined the relationship. Let's be clear. This is on you.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Okay, I've waited a couple weeks for you to take the tiniest bit of accountability or acknowledgement that maybe you could have done things differently. And you see me say, I'd love to believe this, but I remember thinking like, I just don't, I don't buy that this is where your head's at. He didn't buy it. Exactly.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Well, and I also saw through it. Like I remember thinking like, we'll see if this lines up. And then he obviously never reached out. So it was very obvious that that was not. So he didn't. So after that talk, what happened?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
No, he had reached out here and there, but it was not with the intention of like an emotional connection. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Okay. My heart is pounding right now.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I don't fully disagree with the feedback. Obviously, it's fun to watch my people. And I've, again, become so close with Taylor and Daniel and seeing their relationship throughout the last year. I was so excited to watch them, watch it play out. It's like that part is really fun for me and I'm enjoying that piece of it. The pods were kind of a tough one.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Watch again, but that's like, was it because I knew the outcome that I'm like skipping through some stuff that I'm like, I don't know if I need to see all of this. I think it's very Minnesotan. Like I do think that this is. What does that mean? Are there black people in Minnesota? There are not a lot of them. I'm sorry, y'all. That part's tough, yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I think it's just very, like, Midwest nice in a lot of ways. There's not a lot of direct communication. I mean, you see us, how many times did we say at the reunion the word miscommunication? But it's, I think, just indirect. No one's really saying how they're feeling. Yeah, why? I think it's such a Midwest nice thing.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like, that's just how we're raised to not ruffle feathers and to not— If I hear ruffle feathers one more fucking time—
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And so as much as it, again, was like helpful, I think, for him to have clarity, I don't know how much he sees his role in that from a year ago still.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Right. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
That's a really good question.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Very good question. I do. I actually would be curious. I honestly don't know that a good answer to that, but it would be interesting to see what it would look like to date in the Midwest and date somewhere else. I've only ever lived in. Come to Charlotte or go to Boston or New York or something. Try something else out. Yeah. Come to the East Coast. I would be very curious.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I mean, I feel like it's a very Minnesotan thing to, to see you scroll on hinge and you see like people with their fish pictures, people at their cabin and people it's, it's very similar. Yeah. Um, yeah, but I don't even know what it would look like elsewhere. So I don't even have anything to compare it to.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
It has to. It quite literally has to. Yeah. I need to make some different dating decisions moving forward. Maybe get out of that bubble. Yeah. Yeah. Where everyone knows each other. Yeah. That's scary. It is scary.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I even, okay, I even mentioned this on my promo video that I'm like, I need them to roll the tapes on this because they were like, what's the hardest part about dating in Minneapolis? And I was like, in the world, they said that there's seven degrees of separation and in Minneapolis, there's one. Like you can find, a connection to every single person that lives in that area.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
That's not healthy. It's not. It's not fun.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Right. Right.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Like there's almost this expectation that like men can sleep around and not get emotionally attached and it doesn't affect their future relationships. But like here I am telling him I had this physical connection, but like not an emotional connection and it doesn't matter in terms of this relationship. And that was like mind blowing. He couldn't wrap his mind around that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I also, I mean, again, you see him in Honduras be very vocal about sex and like ask questions. And I think we were having those conversations. It's not like that wasn't happening between us either. Like we were very much talking about this. And so I just didn't, again, it just didn't add up that this, again, this was the thing. This was our downfall.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So did your ex apply to be on Love is Blind? Can I first clarify, he is not an ex. He's not an ex-boyfriend. Your fake ex. Your fake ex applied. I found out about this like three days ago that he full-on applied to be on the show. And I don't know if he did that before or after because he knew that I was talking to casting from like the minute we started talking.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I don't know if he applied before or after I gave him that information. I just found out about this. He never fucking told me that. Why would he? It would have like totally contradicted his whole narrative that he's spinning right now. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
That was totally a fear of mine going into it. I remember talking to casting and being like, I've been single in Minneapolis for five years. You're telling me you're going to find 16 men that I've never talked to or dated or interacted with before. And so I was actually impressed that they found that, but they had to do a lot of digging, I'm sure.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Oh, my God.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Please do. Because what? I watched that back, and my jaw was on the floor. I was like, they did me so dirty with that edit. Okay. So between the pods and the getaways, we had like a few days to regroup, get our shit together, go to random appointments. And so obviously I'm like, I need to get a bikini wax before this. And then they were like, anything else you want to do?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I'm like, yeah, if I could go to a spin class, that would be amazing. So they signed me up for both of those things. So I'm in the middle of my wax and my lady is like, okay, no sex for 24 hours, no working out for 24 hours. Kind of give me the lay of the land. Yeah. And so I'm like, shit, I have to cancel that spin class. So I was really bummed about that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I hadn't done like a full workout in two weeks and I was craving it. And so we get to the getaways and like Dave and I are sitting there talking about what we've been doing the last couple of days. And I'm like, I got this bikini wax and then I really wanted to go to this spin class, but I'm bummed that I had, all right, how did I say it? I said, I couldn't have sex or workout for 24 hours.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. I mean, honestly, at the time I was making these like decisions based on the information that I had in front of me and like what I was hearing from Dave. I remember there were a couple of days where, so like to back up to, I remember there's a scene where Molly tells me that her number one is Dave and she's like only here for Dave. That was on like day like four.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I'm bummed because I really wanted to go to this spin class. And they edited it to make it look like I was bummed that we couldn't have sex. And number one, the timing of that would have been off because it would have been after 24 hours. But I'm like, I don't talk like that. That's not a good look. Yes. And then like the way they show him responding, like it looks like he's like, great.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was so not.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Is there anything else you want to clear up? No.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
honestly no that was well I guess we'll see what else comes out but for now yeah it's good okay so you guys just filmed the reunion give me your hot take your thoughts um yeah for I mean I think you'll see more Minnesota nice or we saw some more Minnesota nice I don't see no more Minnesota nice yeah I want the Minnesota mean what is go ahead girl yeah yeah go ahead go ahead
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I mean, I honestly, based on the conversation that Dave and I had had like a week ago, I had a feeling he was going to come in and... attempt to take some like accountability.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I feel like I knew he wasn't going to double down and be like, no, you did have a boyfriend because honestly that wouldn't have looked, I feel like he would have been even more destroyed if that would have been his approach. So I knew that that would happen, but I still had things that I wanted to share.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I think for the most part, I shared some reflections that I had had throughout the last year. I was kind of surprised at how much I don't know. There was, there was a moment where I'm sitting there being like, did they give Dave an engagement ring? And is he about to get up and get on one knee?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Because the way they were like really prompting him to talk about me and how he feels about me, I was like, that ship has sailed 11 months ago. Oh gosh. So yeah. Do you think he wants you back? I honestly don't think so. I think he's like, I do think that he's been reflective of things and wants to take accountability, but I don't think that that translates to wanting me back.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I don't think, like, I think he's taking accountability for the fact that he didn't believe me and wasn't on my team, but I don't think he's taking accountability for the fact that like let's say in another world, this was true. Let's say 48 hours before I went on this experiment, I was like hooking up with this guy. I still don't think that that is an engagement ending situation. I agree.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So I think he took accountability for the fact that like, that was too much noise for him, but not for the fact that he, if he was emotionally ready to be married and really wanted to be with me, we would have been together. Do you feel like you said everything you need to say on that couch?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I mean, for the most part, I feel like it's one of those things that like, there was a moment that I'm like, am I just beating the dead horse? Like I'm kind of saying the same things over again. And Watching it back, I definitely am like, okay, was he not ready for marriage or did he not want to be with me? And yesterday I was like, I don't care enough to know which one it is.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like, I don't even want clarity in that sense. So, yeah, I feel like I said everything I, like, needed to. Like, I don't need anything else from him in that way. You've moved on. Yeah. Yeah. Is he dating to me now?
What's the Reality?
Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I remember being like, I have four other dates today. So as much as I liked Dave at the time, I didn't really put too much emphasis on that or like knowing that. And then as the days went on and other people started to kind of fizzle out and like Dave became stronger for me, it set in a little bit more. And so it kind of became a little bit more real.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You can say hi elsewhere in Minneapolis.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I honestly, going into it, like I was saying before, I really only had short-term relationships, and I've been single for a while, like pretty on and off consistently single. And there were definitely moments throughout the last few years where I was like, okay, am I too set in my ways at this point?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Am I at this point that I've just become very independent in my own life, that I don't have space for someone else? And as hard as it was to watch how Dave and I
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
ended things I really was so invested in him and I like fought for him so hard and I it was very in a lot of ways like we kind of talk about this it was easy to blend our lives when we were in Honduras and kind of imagine what that would look like and I was so genuinely excited about the possibility of that
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So it does give me a little bit of hope to be like, okay, this will make sense when it is the right person and it won't be hard. And it won't be like, like I will be able to get there with someone else and I don't need to be afraid of that piece of things.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Just, it gets better, girl. Thank you. It gets better. I needed to hear that. It really, truly does.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah, life is good. It's been a crazy year to look back because obviously like all of this happened a year ago and then you kind of have to go back and live your normal life. Yeah, well like attempt to live a normal life and then experience it all over again. And I was definitely anxious coming into this thinking about like how it would feel watching it all back.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
We are here.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like, okay, I know Molly really likes this person. I'm really starting to develop strong feelings for him. And I was really torn on if I wanted to say anything to her and if I wanted to like approach it with her. But I remember thinking like that conversation would really stress me out. And I'm already really stressed. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I love that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And at the time I was hearing all of these different things and I was like, I'm in a relationship with Dave. There was a part of me that felt like I owed him the conversation before I owed it to Molly. Not like Molly, I would have ignored her, but I just felt like I wanted to go to him first. Um,
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Looking back, I do feel like it makes me look like I was trying to sneak behind Molly and throw her under the bus to Dave. But I just wanted clarity for me. What she deserved. Yeah. And watching the scene back where I'm telling Dave how I feel. It was hard to watch because it makes it seem like I'm comparing myself to Molly.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Was it hard to keep a secret? Like what, what was that like for the last year? Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Minute one. Didn't you propose in like seven seconds? Yes, he did. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. We need your secret prayer.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Right. Couldn't tell you.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I was only like, I have so much shit going on and like things to think about. I don't even know what he and Molly's connection looked like. I was thinking about me and Dave and I was like, don't fuck this up for us. Not because of anything that they had. So I guess the only thing is I would have... I don't know.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Is love blind? Is it blind? I would have picked him up, spun him around.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Maybe I would have talked to Molly, but I don't know how that like conversation would have led to anything too different. It's so hard to look back and know.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like doing the worm in the middle of the bar.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Not that insane. I'll be 33 in a couple weeks.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Totally. And like looking back, I feel like it's not super clear that I was not, I was well aware of the situation that we signed up for. I knew that we were dating multiple people. My issue wasn't with that. My issue was Dave telling Molly, you're my number one person here, which I'm like, okay, if there's two of us here, then why do I need to be here anymore? That was my only concern.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Keep praying with me.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Actually, you're right, I'm ugly. It honestly... Okay, I totally see where you're coming from. And watching it as a viewer, I would have thought the same thing. It felt so much more lighthearted in the moment. And you even see... There's a moment, if you watch it back... He laughs immediately, but it's not on like the main laugh track. It's on like the background laugh track.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And for the most part, it feels like a similar roller coaster than it felt at the time. But I also feel so much more emotionally removed from it than I did when I was going through it, obviously. So that helps to have like a different lens. Yeah. So how's your life changed since the show came out? I mean, I think the biggest thing is the friendships that I've made from it.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
turned into a big deal. The biggest.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like they kind of purposely like didn't include his like follow up laugh. Again, there's like jokes that I'm seeing that I'm like, oh my God, people are going to hate that. But it felt so much more lighthearted in the moment. And I remember like, I don't know, I like banter. I needed someone to shoot the shit with.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Look at his face.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I don't know. I always talk nice about you. Yeah, you do.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
So it really at the time did not feel like an immediate red flag the way that I think it's being seen as now.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
a lot of red flags a lot of red flags do you feel like you ignored them because you wanted to marry him you really loved him like do you feel do you see the red flags now I mean I think the biggest red flag that I see looking back now is just the shift when we got back to Minneapolis and the way he was like team us and then immediately team anyone but us and like that became so obvious and I wish I'd
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You have that right now?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Oh, my God. You guys are committed.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
We're doing it. I love that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
You love me.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
addressed that sooner than I did. Addressed what? Him not believing me and not picking me and not like being on my team. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. And I know, I have, like, this is where I have such a soft spot for family. Yeah. And I think, like, we're forgetting he lost his mom at, like, a very impressionable age. I think his sister really stepped into that role. And I think... he really wanted to find some out. So that was a good one. Okay. Cause girl.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Well, now no. Yeah. Like definitely not. I would never be able to marry into a family.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And it was frustrating because like even he himself says, I'm not worried about you getting along with her or like her liking you. Like he says that. Oh, I'm very worried. Yeah. So it's like, then what, then, then I think I knew if we were to ever meet. Yeah. Like, I don't think that I, I've never been in like toxic relationships before in terms of romantic partners or friendships or family.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like that's just never, but I've always been able to communicate through something. Yeah. And so that's why this was so frustrating too, because I was like, you're not even giving me a chance to communicate with your, with your people. Did you ever meet her? No. Did you meet anyone from his side? No.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Nope. And that was like the other frustrating part too, is like he, my older brother, I have three brothers and my older brother is like very invested and was very protective. And he was like, I love you. I support you. But like, I don't know if I want to be on camera, but within 24 hours of us getting back, he called me and was like, Hey, can you put me on speaker?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And like, I'd love to talk to Dave. And they had a, they had multiple phone call conversations with me there. And he didn't obviously even give me that with anyone in his family.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Like I've gotten so close with like Taylor and Sarah and we live like so close to each other. And so we just see each other a lot and it's nice to have friendships from it, but also like friendships who experienced this and can speak to what we went through. And relate to you.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. Yeah. I think when he got his phone back, he was out of it.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Girl, I want to jump through that TV screen. Same. Same. I had probably the same emotions as you. the world watching.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
He gets his phone back. What? So again, like you see us have this conversation in Honduras about this connection that we made and you see me say to him, like, he wasn't someone I dated. He wasn't someone I wanted to date. Like I'm here now, but you guys have this weird random connection. Yeah. And he was like, fine with that.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I mean, obviously we had the conversation, but it's not like it was ever brought up again in the getaways. And then we get his phone back and I think he starts to think, oh, I have such a different story of this. Like his phone is blowing up with his friend saying, you just got engaged to a girl with a boyfriend.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And like, again, I understand that that would have been very frustrating, but instead of turning to me and saying like, can you speak more to this? He just like sat there and kind of immediately put his walls back up. And so like, you see me say this halfway through our time in Minneapolis where I'm like, I feel like I lost you this week, but like, I think I lost him that day. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah, I mean, no one, unless you've gone through this, you truly don't understand the emotional roller coaster that it puts you on. So having girls from it is huge. So, okay, I guess we'll get right into the tea. Are you dating? Are you single? I'm not dating anyone. I am single. I feel like I need to be after the last year that I had. I just need to like take a beat. Yeah.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
That from like rumors that I've heard, I don't think that he was sitting in his apartment being celibate for the last 32 years. For the last 32 years. So, but like, again, I don't have like concrete details of that. I think he really thought he had like all of the facts with me and I didn't. And also the other thing is like, I was hearing stuff, but I didn't care enough.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I don't know why I would have been like, I need to know every bit of your sexual history that did not matter to me. But it really mattered to him.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
Yeah. So there, and I did say that when we were at the cycling studio and, like, we had brought it up with my friends. I remember as we were closing things out, I said to him, like, I need you to figure out if you're going to trust me or not because I can't keep... And I say, I'm so helpless. Like I can't do much more beyond tell you my, like my story.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And it was frustrating because he, I mean, obviously we're living together and so we're filming, but we're also not filming. We both work remote. So we kind of see each other throughout the day. And we would have like we were just living life together and we would have conversations like light conversations, heavy conversations.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
We would talk about meeting our families and friends over the weekend. And then when the cameras would come up, it would be like the only thing he would come back to is this guy.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I remember thinking like, this is so minuscule. Can we talk about something? Can we talk about if we're going to get married in two weeks? I was sitting there being so confused about how I felt about this person. I was seriously considering marrying him, obviously. I feel like that is obvious when you watch it back.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And so it just felt like, when are we going to get to the stuff that actually matters in a relationship and with a potential future husband? So that was the most frustrating part is having him continue to... bring up the same thing in like a very specific environment. He wasn't talking about that to me off camera.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I mean, like we're filming for so many hours, as you know, there's like so much else that comes up, but yeah, I would say a lot of our on-camera conversations were always revolved around that. Well, what kept you fighting for it?
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
I honestly think that as you know this experience and the pods and the getaways, you develop this insanely emotional connection with someone that, again, I remember leaving being like, I'm so connected to this person, emotionally, physically. I had felt so close to him in a way that I'd never felt with someone.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And in previous relationships, Dave and I have talked about this before where I've like never really made it past the six to nine mark with people. I kind of like give up a little bit more quickly if I find something that I don't like. So I remember thinking like, okay, I have this really strong connection with someone and I should probably do things a little bit differently.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And again, you see me fighting for my life in a way that I just like haven't done before. Like that really was navigating very new terrain for me.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
do with that information what you want right I'm not doing this I'm not doing this uh-huh well and even like you see his lack of problem solving when we're having this argument in the kitchen and he goes out with his friends after I say I'd rather you not like because I remember thinking every time you go to your friends you feel like you have a different detail to come back and tell me that's incorrect it felt like he just kept coming back like stronger and bigger like yeah actually
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
With the same thing that I'm like, I thought we debunked this. Like, I didn't understand. But so he's like saying he goes out with his friends and then he doesn't come back to the apartment that night.
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Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I remember like laying in bed with the hallway light on waiting to like wake up and see it off and have him be there. And like, I mean, I was up every hour that night and said, wake up at three in the morning to a text that was like, I'm going to stay back at my apartment. Yeah. I remember like I've never felt like that in a relationship.
What's the Reality?
Minnesota Nice with Love is Blind Season 8's Lauren, Taylor & Daniel
And I remember waking up being like, I will never feel like that again. Like that fucking sucked. And he came back and I remember he had like a little bit of a different perspective on things. He was a little bit more open to hearing me out. At least it seemed like that in the moment. So I remember thinking like, okay, my problem solving or conflict resolution is communication.
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Billy, in my defense, it was a snooze fest.
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Yeah, sometimes I hear you in her office. I'm like, what is he saying?
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Wait, did you follow this account and then you saw it?
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really i felt i felt childlike wonder the other day i was on a long walk around venice and there's a swing just on on the side of the road and i was just i just got up on it popped on there that's awesome someone ran out of there i was like get off my swing no no but it wasn't someone's property it was like on like the it was a public park or just a random swing no it was a random swing but it was on the it was on the other side of the sidewalk so it's like that's public land
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I feel like it's important to be with someone close enough to where you don't feel like you have to. Also true.
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It just has the nickname. Aconcagua. Orizaba? Orizaba.
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I do like that place. I feel put together when I'm there. Something about it. It's cool.
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They'll send a picture of them on the couch and the baby's like locked in to the TV. Watching, oh my God.
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Cocomelon. We just become like Cocomelon.
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Step into a mother's body? I want to be a father. Well, he's getting married this year.
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Oh, did you pass any? Sorry. Well, last question about your hike. Was there a lot of other people on it?
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No, you've got a case of Willie's pee.
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I feel like Langdon's sounds scary.
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I probably would have been like, oh, shoot. That's a bummer. That person said that we could do this or I've done it before. But then I feel like to an extent, it's not really. I would be like, not worth it.
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Breaking it in. Better when you wash it.
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I'm too scared to dry anything that I care about.
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Like, I hang dry pretty much everything. You hand dry it? Hang dry, like, on my drying rack. Really?
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No. Especially if you get a stain on it, you're cooked.
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I do all my colors together, but I do cold. You gotta make sure it's cold. I only do cold, basically.
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Okay. Pitches. First pitch is from Parker Stevens.
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All right, Parker says... What is up, Dennis, Mac, and Dee? Have you ever been on a road trip?
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Well, he just said in me. Have you ever been on a hike or wait, what? Have you ever been on a road trip or maybe on a hike and saw a house or something off in the distance and wondered, I wonder how I get there or I wonder what that place is?
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Well, now you don't have to wonder with location pins. This is a feature for Google Maps where you can take a picture of a place off in the distance and it will pin the location on your map. It will show you what the place is as well as a route to get there. If the place is notable or a business of some sort, it will give you information about the location.
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It will also store old pin locations so you can go back and view them later if you want to. I think this is a great idea for curious people or for those that enjoy exploring. Keep up the good work on the pod and please get help for your drinking, Lauren.
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Well, maybe you can opt into this. Yeah.
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So I still don't know what's going to happen. No, I feel like that's not your problem anymore. Agreed.
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We're going to have to cut the mic. Let's, let me, all right. Second pitch. All right. Thank you, Parker. Next pitch is from Kristen Lowry. Kristen says, what's up, Michelle, Barack, and Joe?
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Okay, Kristen says, her pitch is sleep receipt. Tired of waking up with the feeling that you were forgetting something important? Frustrated with the fact that as soon as you hit the pillow, your mind starts rattling off a to-do list? Angry about all those forgotten dreams? Well, worry no more. Introducing the sleep receipt, a simple app that connects to the synapses in your brain.
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That mechanism is still in development, allowing you to externally keep track of all your thoughts. Wake up in the morning with a physical receipt detailing each and every thought you had while you slept. Use it to cross-reference to-do lists, relive your favorite dreams, and so much more. Sleeper seat may not be used in court as viable evidence. P.S. Rusty is definitely Michelle.
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What? No, it's not. I just, we need.
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I know, but I also, that is why I tell you guys in advance when I would like it to not.
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And that's okay. Well, that's only because I took an Adderall because I have a lot today.
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Oh, sorry. No, you guys. That's great. Jack does it all the time. Okay, yeah. That's the plan. I do not.
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I was thinking that. That's what I said.
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Why are you looking at me like that?
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Well, it's showing that there, but it's recording on here, and I just texted Paige about it because I don't know what's happening. Okay.
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No, I know. I'm just nervous because we have had... Nerness.
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I'm confused. I just thought. This is cool. This is cool.
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I feel like you're being sexist. You gotta give them some credit. As someone who can play very basic guitar, that was very impressive.
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You're skating on thin ice right now.
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Throw on a bikini? Yeah, who's wearing a bikini? The girl in the back. She's in, like, a tank top, like, bralette. Are they? I don't know why that matters what she's wearing.
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I'm going to watch Conclave. Who's he to say?
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Oh, I watched it. I didn't finish it.
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I don't think I was really in the mood for something slow that I really had to pay attention to, but the production was, the cinematography was amazing. Visually, it was very nice to watch.
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I didn't even get it to the end. I fell asleep, but it was cool.
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Aries. Thank God. When's your birthday, Billy?
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someone commented that i never let lauren talk for more than 30 seconds before i cut her off and so i'm working on that this episode thank you i did see that comment what were you gonna say willie last episode they asked me they were like because i was telling them that sometimes when i meet people and i tell them i'm a pod producer they're like oh would you ever start your own and jack goes all right lauren give me give me a minute and i like start talking five seconds later he just turns and
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This one at a... Top Thriller Dragster. What do you call it? Cedar Point in... Cedar Point! This is one of the most popular amusement parks.
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There's no other side to that. All right, not that one.
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No, I was not even looking. Sidewinder. I know.
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One, we have to do episode 91 and two, we're getting weirdly close to episode 100.
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Because we have this weird schedule. I hope I'm not in Spain during that.
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What if we do Google 100 episode no Lauren?
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I'm going to give her that. I'm going to give her that. You actually get that one. I thought it was one of those like.
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Um, well, Jax scared the shit out of me right before we started recording this podcast. Why? No, it was like, it was an evil, evil prank.
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I punched him like four times. Really? So evil.
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I don't like that perk. I like it at home.
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I really feel like he's just a weird guy. I don't think you can.
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When I broke my wrist, I went to my parents.
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I've heard of numerous people getting in an Uber crash.
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Also, we've gotten a lot of comments about people missing the theme songs.
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Someone made a comment and they were like, I think the people that don't like them are not true playmates. And I stand by that.
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All right. Pitches. First pitch is from Clay. Whoa. I thought you were making noise.
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Whoa! Damn! All right. Pitch number uno is from Clay. Clay says, Lauren, read this immediately, and I mean immediately.
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Lauren, read this immediately, and I mean immediately. Good morning to Lauren and her B words. What is the worst part?
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What's the worst part about going to karaoke?
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you gotta you gotta it's hard you can't they can't all be hits you know i mean you'll get the crowd and then if you're after that you gotta yeah okay well he says when someone who should probably probably be on american idol sings introducing donkey oaky using like donkey hote
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Okay. Using a specialized platform, singers will stand on a pad when they sing, and if listeners aren't feeling the vibe or they feel the singer is too good to be there, they have the opportunity to pay like $5 for a chance to throw a ball at a target. If they score the singer... If they score, the singer's dunked into a pool of water. Got it. Or maybe like a ball pit and the song is over.
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This can also be helpful to stop that one guy who sings Sweet Caroline three times a night. Yeah. The singer gets 75% of all the money spent on dunking them so that even if they get dunked, they aren't mad because they got that cheddar. Oh, that's great. Also, nobody's feelings get hurt. Love the pod, but I've been missing the pirate talk lately.
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It's a dunky-oke. Oh, I forgot about this.
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Mustard. Mustard! No, actually, what would be the best? Oh, what about that? What about that?
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That is very bold, though, to just offer that to a girl.
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So it's just a different sector of Disney World?
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I want to go to that. There's a music festival called Lightning in a Bottle. I want to go to it. Do not go.
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You can't rip ass. He cut the freaking cheese, dude. I didn't fart.
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Next pitch is from Spooky Shay. She says, Hello, Princess Lauren and her little jesters. Thanks, girl. I'm a little behind on pod episodes, so I'm sorry if someone has already submitted a similar pitch. My idea is Tall Friend. Tall Friend is a service where you can contract out big guys to hang out.
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put me down for 20 come on i want an hour with them um so they come to your parties and events etc i'm not really sure why but it's kind of swag to have a really tall friend yeah boring halloween party who is that seven foot banana who just showed up let's take a shot with him yeah nervous at a work event your tall friend takes away all the nervous energy because instead of everyone focusing on your bad social skills they're thinking damn that guy is tall i would like to also be used banana
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He can also be used for everyday things like you can't quite reach up into your closet. Tall friend is right there to help. He will also answer everyone's questions about his tallness with interesting responses to make you look cooler for knowing him.
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Wendell. What's your name? I wish your name was Wendell.
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Family Guy. No, but isn't there also like a video of you doing that when you were little?
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I wish humans were like that. I feel like we would be more productive if we just intermitted. Nope. No, like little bits and pieces of sleep throughout the day. It was like 20 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes every couple hours. I am so productive at night. That is when I'm the most. I've realized it over the years.
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In high school, I remember, or even in college, I wouldn't be able to write essays or my creative juices would only be flowing late at night.
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I like the idea of this. There's this influencer, this fitness influencer I follow, Leanna Deeb on Instagram. She is Muslim, I think, and she's practicing Ramadan right now in her sleep schedule.
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I'm just going off of her story. She posted about Ramadan the other day.
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i don't know but her sleep schedule right now she does i will i will but she does three hours like in the middle she does three hours at night and then like later in the day she does another three hours so she can like eat at night yeah that makes sense um no like just oh we're in it right now yeah that is funny that both of us were like no i think we know i don't think she knows what it is when is it is it different every year i don't know um
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Wouldn't it be this? Never mind. Never mind.
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If you dream about doing open heart surgery on a grape, it means you're getting cold for Christmas.
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I think this is one of my favorite drafts you guys have ever done.
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um if you dream about cooking spaghetti for dinner it means they're sending you on a one-way flight to antarctica tomorrow who's that all of them um if you dream if you dream oh if you dream about uh skittles it means you're about to taste the rainbow yes all right if you dream about cooking if you dream about kissing your your best friend it means that you're eating filet mignon for dinner
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quarantine um i am house sitting this weekend and i'm gonna be a lounging around on the couch mrs doubtfire mrs doubtfire i'd be crazy if this whole time lauren was like a boy i mean i've been saying that yeah not
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Sorry I couldn't come. I was at the office late.
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No, I just said I'm sorry I couldn't come.
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Well, we've been seeing that side of him with softball. We are not doing too hot.
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I feel like everyone's showing up too drunk.
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So many dinners. Dude, it's a fucking nightmare.
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And the guitar solo here. What? Yeah. Who? Madison. Cool down, Tommy. Jesus, how many fans have we had backstage here? Yeah. And what have they ever done? Yeah. Exactly. Hi, Madison, right? Yeah, we had a little intruder in here. Hi, Sticks, it's a pleasure. Have a seat, have a seat, yeah, sure thing. You've been a fan for a long time? Yeah, four years, huh? Four years strong.
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I'd like to hear that, that's what I'd like to hear. Yeah, great. Sign your record? Sure thing. To Madison, right? Yeah, great. Oh my god, I wanna be Madison so fucking bad. Oh yeah.
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What do you mean you built a Terabithia?
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All right, guys, quick shout out to our partner, Fireball. Fireball is back again with the perfect party starter for the holidays, whether you're hanging it, slapping it, or pouring it. The non-denominational holiday-themed whiskey stocking is the must-have gift of the year. It's literally a stocking full of Fireball that you hang on your mantle or toss around the room with some friends.
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You know, personally, me and my family like to sit around the fire pass this thing around, slap it, drink it, chuck it, do all sorts of fun stuff with it. And, you know, it always brightens my day. Guys, while so many things make football and the holidays great, we can all agree nothing beats crushing your rival on the field. There's absolutely no better feeling as an athlete or a fan.
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It's still football season, and Fireball Whiskey wants to provide an extra spark to ignite football rivalries all season long. Will and I have a bet with Lauren that if BC, which I don't even think it's... We lost. We lost the bet.
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And Lauren's getting a cake with her face on it. But we had a lot of fun drinking Fireball, watching this bet all season long. Fireball's iconic cinnamon flavor tastes fire and goes down easy, making it the ultimate crowd pleaser. Go pick up some from your local liquor store and join us in drinking Fireball during football and during the holiday season.
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You guys want to hear what happened to me on Saturday?
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Me and Jess and Joe went out to, we were playing cards at Ye Olde King's Head. Great bar.
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I was always under the impression that Los Angeles is this culinary hub and the best food is in LA and everyone's got anything you want. The food here sucks.
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Does it want to come out on New Year's?
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That should definitely be on the New Year's episode.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. I thought it was like a joke.
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All right, welcome back to Christmas Roadmap. We have a lovely episode for you guys today. We're going to hear your pitches followed by our pitches. And then we're doing, am I the asshole? Followed by, teach me something.
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Followed by Rusty's Would You Rather. Followed by our drafts.
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Was that before you knew? How awesome she was?
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What is the worst part about... What's the worst part about candy canes? Sticky.
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but I'm more of a half-and-half and traditional guy. Twisted Tea is not only sponsoring Playdate, but they were also sponsoring our almost-Friday holiday party. We had a blast at it. It was so fun. Everyone was getting Tweed out of their gourd. I have always said that I think Twisted Tea is the greatest drink for having an intimate conversation with another man.
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uh will and i sat down we cracked a couple twisted teas and we really got to the bottom of how we're feeling twisted tea is best enjoyed when enjoyed together so remember to pick up some for your holiday party or your next gathering twisted tea is refreshing delicious and guys it tastes like real iced tea because it's made with real brewed tea so go pick up some today let's get back into the episode teach teach me something you want to start willie yeah i was reading about the bali nine have you ever heard of them
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You should go to Crimea. What did you say?
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Oh, yeah. We'll make it a quick one because we are quick.
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Would you rather never be able to get Christmas gifts again or never be able to give them again?
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Well, we always did Christmas card roulette.
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You guys probably make gingerbread houses. Yes, yes, yes. In my house, we make gingerbread mouse. And we make a bunch of little mice out of gingerbread and we hide them all over the house to scare each other. That's awesome.
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Whose personality are you guys going to steal? I am going to steal Santa's.
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All right, we love you guys. Merry Christmas, and we will see you guys next year. Next year on New Year's Day.
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Yeah, I think it's... Did it actually taste bad?
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We're building a bridge. It's going to Terabithia. Beautiful people in Terabithia. We're building a bridge. We're building a bridge. It's going to Terabithia. Beautiful people in Terabithia.
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Beautiful people in Terabithia. Sleepy Joe went to Terabithia. They laughed him out of town.
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I'm not forgetting. Wait, look, my accelerator matches, though.
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Troy's dad's company, like seven of their houses that they worked on were in Malibu, Palisades. That's brutal.
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I was gonna say, so where can I go to see if I wanted to see a volcano? Like in Hawaii.
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No, it's an immunity shot. Cherry citrus. What?
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Target is overwhelming because there's so much there. That's why I don't like it because as I'm walking around, even I'll be walking by like the clothes. I'm like, wait, do I need a new white shirt? Like everything that I pass is like, oh, I feel like I need that.
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Oh, what was I looking at? Sorry, I was texting my sister.
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You sent me a photo of it and Ava was like, oh my God, that looks so fun. And I was like, that's actually my nightmare. You couldn't pay me to sit down and learn that right now.
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Oh, an ostrich is a mammal? Why do you keep doing this to yourself?
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Look how gorgeous they are. They are really. Oh, my gosh. Oh, they kind of look like avocados. I never thought of that. They were.
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Springbok. What the hell's a pronghorn? Thompson's a gazelle.
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Right? No, 40. No. My grandpa was born in like 29. Wait, wait, wait. This is terrible, Matt. If he's in his 80s right now. He'd be born in his 30s.
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No, I was just going to say that maybe when you finish your book, when I finish my current book, what if us three did a little book club?
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So I don't know if we like the same genres, but maybe we can find something in the middle.
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Um, all the family guy pranks were actually fake. I have watched the show many times and we were just doing it for clicks and it worked.
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I mean, you actually shit your pants also. All right. I didn't fucking shit my pants. I checked.
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Well, I don't know if you did, but you actually did during Zach and Waleed.
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You kept saying you almost did, but you actually did. I actually did poop my ass. Wait, you did? Yeah, it was like smeared all over his pants. You had to throw them away. I caked it against my ass.
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All right, should we do a roadmap? Well, yesterday I told Ava about how you roll onto your food in the night. I thought it was so funny.
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I feel like I've told numerous people about that.
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I feel like it also could have been the restaurant. They had to double check which kind it was.
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I remember doing it once and I feel like it wasn't that... It wasn't accurate at all.
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All right. This conversation is making me nauseous.
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Please keep going. Oh, are you finished? Yeah. Oh.
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Alright, I have tears flying down my face.
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Pitches, pitches, pitches, pitches. Pitch one. I couldn't know. Pitch number one is from Paige Riordan. Riordan?
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Like Rick Riordan? Sure. Riordan. Percy Jackson? Riordan. Riordan.
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oh we're on fire today you know all right page says woke up in beast mode okay sorry page says this is called second thoughts second thoughts is a built-in phone assistant that reads your text before you send them and warns you before you say something rude questionable or that will bite you in the ass it will prevent you from drunk texting your ex saying something unprofessional to a co-worker or saying something that is accidentally passive-aggressive
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Probably when you cuss us out in our group chat.
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Wait, also, by the way, I feel like we just had a new shirt come out.
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Monday. I like this pitch, the second thoughts, but honestly, I feel like it might... get in the way of you just, like, being yourself. And sometimes you have to be kind of an asshole in situations.
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It's like a built-in thing on your keyboard.
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Who were you trying to DM at 2 in the morning?
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That's so funny. Damn. Love that guy. I like it. I think it could be good, perhaps. All right. Next pitch is from Abos. Abos.
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Abos Friday. Abos3197. He or she says, hi, Lauren in the Grimpleys. My name is Austin. I don't know where to send submissions for pitches, but here's mine. What's the worst part about really hot or really cold weather? The electric company.
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Yeah. The electric bill, of course, introducing the air saver, which collects hot air during the summer and cold air during the winter. Once you need to switch up the heat in the winter, the saved up summer air will slowly pour into the air ducts and help you cut your bill and vice versa in the summer with saved winter air. Now, you might be wondering how the air keeps its temperature.
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The large tank attached to your house has high-tech insulation to keep it the same temp until it's needed. I don't know. I'm a high-level guy myself, so I'm not sure exactly how it works. Thank you guys for the pot each week, and here's to a great 2025.
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Dude, my breath in the morning is nothing. You leave your home without brushing your teeth.
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I feel like peanuts on the floor, that is a chill vibe.
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You should get a Listerine partnership. Listerine, if you're listening.
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Oh, my gosh. No, look how big this thing is. This looks so good. Yeah, look, that's the cart. That's the cart. Oh, I'm drooling. This is my dream come true. That looks delicious. I'd rather have a brownie on the bottom.
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Wait, how did we get onto that? We're talking about... How did that come up?
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This guy rocks. This guy rocks. This guy rocks today.
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Or two Twits bars in there. Good grief, dear. That thing is tiny.
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Is this the video? Probably. Yeah, it's all the time.
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It isn't, but this one. Oh, my gosh. Holy shit.
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You think I have? I think I've watched this video 4,000 times.
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Doesn't it sound like... It sounds like doi, doi, doi.
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I like his old... The Morning is one of my favorite songs.
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Let's do it. All right. Am I the asshole for not attending my best friend's wedding because of my ex? I have a best friend, Sarah, who is getting married next month. The problem is my ex is also invited because we're in the same friend group. We broke up about a year ago and while things are simple, I still feel uncomfortable being around him, especially at such a big event.
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I told Sarah that I might not be able to come because I'm not sure how I will handle seeing my ex there. She was really upset and said that I was being selfish and ruining her special day. She insists that I should just move past it and that our friendship means more than my discomfort.
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I'm really torn because I want to be there for her, but I also don't want to force myself into a situation where I will feel emotionally drained.
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Okay. Am I the asshole for telling my teacher that the whole class is cheating?
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I got into a new class and realized that literally everyone is cheating. All texts, probably supposed to say tests, are just copy and paste. Even when the teacher's asking something, they would search online for an answer. In exams, they have a second phone with them to cheat. As all of their responses are correct, the teachers would start comparing my texts. Okay, they wrote this so poorly.
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My texts with AI made tests, and they always got better grades. It's affecting my grades due to the comparison, but on the other hand, it's not my business. Yes.
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Did you guys ever get in trouble for cheating?
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That being said... I feel like you were just studying though.
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I wouldn't continue to do it, or I think you are cheating.
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I feel like you told us. Oh no, you said it during the live stream.
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Troy and his friend tried to Family Guy me on Saturday. Really? We were at this bar, Tony P's in Marina. It's like a grill. Have you guys been there? And we were about to go to Jameson's and his friend Damon was like, oh, Peter and Joe. We have to go now because my friends Peter and Joe are waiting for us at Jameson's. He had never talked about that.
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It didn't last very long, but they tried to prank me.
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I feel like I'm watching you. Ew, why are you picking your nose right in front of me? I wasn't. Okay, earlier you were telling a story and Will was picking his nose for like 20 seconds.
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Yeah, and you were like flicking it around.
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Well, so did you guys go anywhere else after?
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That's so sad. Losing all your sweatshirts.
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There's 30 in November. There's never a 31st.
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Well, isn't that kind of what, when, like, Matt came on from Mount Joy? Why am I blanking on his name? Yeah. Matt. Wasn't he saying that they, like, that's like a jam band, right?
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Wait, why were they taking their shoes off? They were just shit.
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Yeah, hopefully when this comes out, we had a good... Yeah, this is going to either... Lauren and I's outfits will either age very well or very poorly.
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Oh, thanks for the reminder. I still have to get my cake. Remember, you were going to get my cake for tonight.
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as always played it is brought to you by triple the original high seltzer redefining party landscape i just saw me in traffic and my cars don't have power windows so i had to like lean over to roll it down or just almost hit like 11 cars because i'm like like fully in the other thing just trying to say hi and he he yelled out the window was like what are you doing man i was like i just wanted to say hi alex it's like where are you
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I think they realize how hard a phone is to get into. I mean, he didn't steal it.
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He found it on the ground. The club where they were posted up was a few... I guess if I saw a phone on the ground, though, I'm not going to be like... I don't want to be involved.
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He added it when he had a kid.
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I wish you pulled up to the homeless and came and they were trying to reverse engineer it. Like the back's off. We're really close.
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Yeah, so that was that. I hope he has good karma coming his way though. I think he will because that was an incredibly nice thing to do.
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I didn't have any cash on me. I didn't know that he was... I didn't understand the situation. He didn't want food or anything. I don't think he was going to remember that. You could give him the knife. Yeah.
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You can't use it until I leave. I'm going to give it to you, then run. You write on it, like, not for stabbing. This is for threatening only. Or cooking. I want to hear about you like julienning an onion or threatening another person. Julianning. I don't know.
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You know what it is. Come on. I know it's a type of cut that you can do.
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Light on calories, high on life. It's all natural, gluten-free, and again, just 15 to 20 calories. Willie, tell me what you love about getting tripled. I love Triple because, dude, I was sitting out on my new patio that I redid on Saturday. And I cracked a few triples, and I listened to some of these new songs I've been listening to, and they're really good.
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I was listening to the new Lumineers album while drinking triples. They're still dropping music? Yeah, they dropped them like three weeks ago, and it was fucking awesome.
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Anyway, go check that out if you finish. The link will be in the description. And ready? Ready? I'll put it right here.
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Wait, if Steve Smith Sr. was Steve Smith Jr., does he become senior or does he become the second when he has a kid?
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That has never occurred to me. It's the funniest thing of all time.
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I would expect that to be like $30 at a show. I feel like those tall boys were crazy.
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Okay, at like football games.
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So if his dad was also named Steve Smith Sr., he'd be the second. Or I guess he'd still just be junior.
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That's awesome. That's the best thing that's ever happened. She has, like, a huge pizza chain on, like, her family invented. She has that old, old pizza money. I couldn't believe it. I was laughing about it all weekend just thinking about it. That's the funniest thing. How did that come up? I don't really remember. She was like, you want to hear something awesome?
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Alright, so you're coming with us for this. You're in the crew now. I met a guy at the bar on Saturday night that claimed he invented the Minecraft theme song. And we were all drunk enough that we just took it as fact. And everyone... I was bringing people over to be like, tell them what you invented. And he was like, the Minecraft theme song.
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He was like... He didn't seem... If I was claiming I would do that, I would be doing it because I thought it was funny. Either he was really good at keeping a straight face, he was lying, or he actually invented... Oh, you don't know? I have no idea, because everyone... He was wearing earplugs, so he had something.
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But he came to the bar alone. He was kind of sitting against this wall. And like clearly wanted to get in on some circle. So we opened up and that was the first thing he said. I was like, that's really cool. And so I was just telling everyone.
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That's so funny. That's the only platform you can... It's the only platform you have to get the word out that it was your idea initially. It's like sixth graders.
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We're both going to Florida tomorrow.
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Have you seen his little boots? More like Honda Santus. His what? His little boots that he wears.
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I don't know if you've ever tried to break into a pair of cowboy boots, but it's not an enjoyable experience. When Will and I went to Texas, I was wearing them around, and they're so tight the first couple days that... There's no room to put anything else in there.
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And he has like four inch, like someone did an outline of like where his foot would have to be for it to make the shape that his boots are making. And he's like, they're, they're almost out of the boot. Like his heel is like at the top. The boots are too small. No, his lifts are way too big. Oh, okay. He's, like, walking on heels? Like, he is, like, 6'3", or whatever, with these lifts on.
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But someone pull up, like, Ron DeSantis' boot diagram.
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So we're going to tee you up here.
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No, not those. Those are different.
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I like to think that like Brandon was actually like a super liberal town until like the stars aligned and they were just like, it's too perfect.
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Okay. So look at this like diagram that someone drew for his foot to make that shape. It would have to be up there for it to make sense. It's like clown shoes. Because to fit that giant lift that he has in it, they have to be a size 16. He had to walk through a moat to get into the interview.
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Also, apparently just saying we're buds doesn't count. Our friend Ryan came on. He does other stuff, but we were like, our friend Ryan's here, and then we just got into it.
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He's like, that explains a lot. Also, when you go and buy new shoes... I guess as an adult, they just take your word for it.
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That's hilarious. Okay.
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Yeah. That's it. You may have seen Dan's new show, Run Club. It's awesome. Thank you.
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Can you look up there? I saw a video the other day of an Amish guy drifting his carriage. Respect to the Amish, though.
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The Amish love volleyball. That's a good big thing for them.
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Sparks flies, Amish boogie drifts around court. This isn't what I was thinking of, but it seems like it achieves the same. Does this maybe? Yeah, let's give it a shot. Which one? The second one. They'll make it like apple cider.
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I was actually just talking to my dad about Amish people on the phone yesterday.
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They don't even have like clocks. Like how would he know if he's late? That was like someone who's like late to something. Yeah, I don't actually know. I guess they have like sundials. I don't know how.
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Do they have to like pay taxes and like do the whole thing?
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So it's like whoever gets the Amish gets all.
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So they don't pay taxes? I think it says they do. Wait a minute.
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um yeah what an odd they pay that to their own communities but they don't pay to the government that's like i just we didn't have amish people so this isn't a thing i've no this is the first day i've like sat down it's so you know the more you think about it it is like insane they're living in a time capsule yeah it's crazy you see how quickly or obviously you guys have but like they could build a barn in like an afternoon
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I think they treat women like fucking shit.
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Like, they don't have, like...
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Because there are some that post on TikTok. So it's like they are rebellious. They're starting to leak through. They're on their Rumspringa or whatever.
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I saw an Amish guy trying to meet up with a minor, and they caught him in the parking lot. Pull that up, Lauren. And he's only worried that he got caught with tech. No, but he... Lauren, Google... I'll admit I was trying to fuck that kid, but I did not go on my phone.
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I told him to his face. I did not text him. Google like Amish guy gets caught trying to meet minor. I'm sending letters to an underage kid.
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Never mind. Apparently...
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There's a guy who clearly had a large swastika on his chest.
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He was a fighter, I believe, and he turned it into like the trap door from Minecraft. It was like, you're not fooling anyone. We know what that is. Look that up for him. Look up like wrestler old swastika. No, actually, never mind.
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Quakers are cool. But what are they? Quakers are just pacifists, basically. They're like Christian... I think they're not Christian. They're not Christian.
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But yeah, no, I think Quakers are just like, they're all about like peace and community and... But they can like turn on the lights. Yes. I think I'm fairly confident. Yes. Yeah. Look at this.
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Or his family was Quakers, but he was a really normal guy. They are Christian. He was telling me about their meetings. They lived in the town that I went to college in. I was having lunch with him, and he was like, yeah, they do... There were Quaker meetings happening on campus that I wasn't aware of. He was like, yeah, you probably walk past them all the time.
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Is that Richard Nixon? Nixon was a Quaker. I think that's James Dean.
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That Porsche that he crashed in and died in? No. So like... I'm going to butcher the story, but basically like it, it passed hands like multiple times and everyone that's driven it, they think it's like an evil car. Cause they would like, they would like refurbish it after like a wreck. And then the next owner would like die in it.
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And then like, like four people made the same mistake before they were like, let's put it in a museum.
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It happens every once in a while.
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We used to have rats in our old office.
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He has no idea. I didn't even know what that was, but I was just like, I trust these two guys enough to give me enough content. You see any of those videos of Mumford and Sons? Okay.
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Try not to look like Dan and I are outside.
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Which one? It's going to hit somewhere on the equator. So it's either going to nail South America, hit the majority of the Atlantic Ocean, or I think it maybe can reach Africa. Is there anywhere it can hit that there aren't people, but we can still get to see what it would do?
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came to be in a dream he's like well i'm gonna uh head out for a little bit you guys could come i would highly recommend that you come with me right now the one kid in the community who keeps getting caught with minors is like hey um might be an asteroid coming they're like are you back on tiktok no no
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Saved like millions of people. Do you see Trump talking about the astronauts on the space station? No. He just always says the most ridiculous stuff, but he was like... I said that like you guys don't know who Trump is. He's this wacky character. He's this zany guy. He's always saying crazy stuff. But they were like, what about the astronauts?
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He's like, well, they're up there, and I think they like each other a lot. They might even love each other. Who knows? And all the people were like, what are you talking about? Get them down. We shouldn't be worried about their relationship with each other.
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I watch it every night.
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Well, wait, what does that mean that we're not... They're not supposed to like us? They used to hate us, man.
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I know, but like... on his list of guys i think that i thought he didn't like i thought we i thought we were like at least outside of the top 10 yeah he found a way sounds like he feels like we were kind of honestly i'm kind of honored i'm like right made it on the list you're not supposed to like them they're lovely people but you're supposed to hate them they fuck they fight they're gross
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Like I could not stop seeing it. Like a week ago, yeah. So before they were there, I was there.
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There I was, stomping and clapping and yelling ho.
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I fell asleep in The Apprentice. Does Roy admit that he... No. No, he never. It's really sad.
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Your boys are walking past. They're just like, we're at a big weekend.
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I learned in Irish, someone was telling me a slur that they used to use about us. It's just like a name. I think I know.
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What is a hall? You guys got to give me some sort of... You can't just keep saying it.
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I met like you will family members that are just there's like like Boston family members that like the older guys that are like they like have that mentality of like we're the oppressed culture and yeah I heard my great uncle saying some like horribly racist things at this wedding a year ago and I was like
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Like where they eat dinner in Harry Potter?
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I didn't even know that mindset existed, but I think that is old Boston people because the Irish were historically impressed. Lash out. Taking it out on a group of people that you didn't even know were their own thing. Your grandpa was complaining about the Lebanese. How'd you even get there?
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Wait, what do you mean it looks like that? There's a bar that has like 60-foot gothic vaulted ceilings. I don't know if it's gothic, but it's pretty high up. 60-foot ceilings. Yeah.
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we're the only ones that i think like really slide into the stereotypes given yeah to us you know what i mean like the others it's like they're kind of outdated yeah things that you know ours are just just straight up facts they're just they really hit the nail on that they're like they don't have very good work ethic a horrible alcohol problem they all have like nine kids and a little beer gut yeah and they're not the most attractive they're angry about everything
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Did you go to Notre Dame? And he was like, no, what are you talking about? He was like, Northern Illinois. And the guy was like, what are you talking about? He's like, you have their logo permanently on your ankle. He was like, no, it's just like Irish bride. The guy was like, yeah, but it's the, like you use their logo. Like you Googled it. That's like a guy from Norway getting a Vikings logo.
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I've been trying to hide that from him.
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I was due. Why can you... I feel like very few groups back then were just pillaging. You had to rape also. That's true. Those things kind of go hand in hand. Yeah. I've never wanted to pillage without... I'm not going to finish that, actually.
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Cracking off the bat.
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Yeah. Maybe we'll go. You want to go to a game sometime? I'd love to go to a game sometime. That's awesome.
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Even a spring training game. I'm going. Really?
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So I'll be around. But you guys leave.
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We're pillaging tonight. All right, should we road map it up? You ready for the road map? This is where we tell everyone what they're going to hear this episode. Incredible. Yeah.
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And then I had to stop using Everyman Jack because I forgot it on a trip. And I got a rash again. Like, it wasn't just a thing that happened when I was a kid. It's these other deodorants. They don't care about you and they put, like, junk in there that gives you a rash on your armpits. And then people are going to make fun of how stupid your armpits look because you have a little rash that hurts.
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But then you switch to Everyman Jack and it stops.
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This guy rocks. This guy rocks today. And then we're going to do... People hate them. Desserts that don't exist.
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Dude, you spill so much water on yourself for every episode. No, it's always like dripping down your face. Thank you.
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One of my good buddies from home is named Chris. And when we were little kids, he would wear these like navy blue sweatpants to school every day. And his mom would pack him cottage cheese. And the only person I've seen that's a messier, like, cannot get any of the food or drink in their mouth more than Will as an adult was my friend Chris when we were in second grade.
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He would get it on his pants, and then he would, instead of just, like, wiping it off with a napkin, he would smear it in. And so he was walking around. It looked like he had just, like, stolen home in the World Series.
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We're tapping the bottom of the barrel. I texted Will, and I was like, we still got to get Dan his drafts. You said it yesterday, too. It was like desserts and sayings. We were like, cool. All right. Do it. Bang.
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All right, Lauren, let's hear some pitches. Dan, if you're not familiar, Lauren is going to give us a business pitch from a playmate, and we are going to say if we would invest in it. We're the Sharks. Oh, I love this. You're Randy. I'm just going to be Barbara. Okay, I'll be Randy. Okay, great. Yo, dog. Yo, dog. I'll be the Cubes. Cubes.
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This is where we were playing. What the fuck game were we playing? We were playing a game that didn't exist here. Oh, yeah. And we went to that bar. We kind of picked up like a group of ragtag people along the way. And we're walking to this bar. And this girl had to admit to us that she was like 20. Oh, no.
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We love Mark Cuban. Yeah, Mark Cuban's actually an investor of this company.
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Did I ever tell you when he recognized Joe Palm? You know Joe Palm, right? Yeah. Joe Palm and I were walking through the win in Vegas, and Mark Cuban was walking the other way. It was summer league, so he was with whoever they had picked in the first round. He's with a new millionaire. And walking by, it's me and Joe P., and he just looks at Joe, and he's like, what's up, man?
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And then kept walking. I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. That's sick.
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First pitch is from Keeks. Hey, Lauren, in the building department delinquents. Have you ever had a car without Apple CarPlay? Or if you do, you don't like looking back and forth to the screen when following map directions. introducing GPS sunnies. These are essentially sunglasses you can choose from all brands, Ray-Bans, Gucci, Warby Parker, etc.
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Then when you put them on, the road and turns you're supposed to follow and take will be highlighted in the color of your choosing. Say goodbye to wondering where the next turn is or what side of the road you will have to be on for the next 100 miles for all those anxious drivers while also protecting your eyes from those harsh UV rays.
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That's awesome. It's like the heads up display. Yeah. Could you put like a show on the half of it too? Yeah. You get cut off by some guy watching like subway surfers mixed with Joe Rogan clips.
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I love it. I'll put in like 20 bucks. Dan's thing reminded me of this. My dad said one time he was driving to work, and he got cut off by this car, and he was like, the way they cut him off was like, they must have not even seen him.
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She knew him as like the liberal arts major.
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Did you do this? Is this true? I can't tell if he's joking or not. I don't know. Are you joking? No, we talked about this.
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But you were talking about in New York. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, where are they from? I'm getting shacked right now.
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You got shacked. I would have believed it if you didn't say the dunking part.
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You don't really have much to say, but you're going to give it your all. Now get in there and talk for hours. Go too long.
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Yeah, let's do it. All right, so. Do the Shaq prank. Shaq, your friend. Come on, man. Get in there and Shaq.
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Can you imagine if your mom used to date Jack? I wouldn't want to know. I was kind of holding my tongue just being like, that is brutal for your dad.
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Thank you, Keeks. Next pitch is from Gracie Astor.
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You're getting a paternity test. I'm convinced Jack is my dad. You seen Steven Tyler figure out that he's like 1% black. They brought back his, um, he's like DNA results. And they were like, you know, you are, you are one 18th, uh, African American. And he was like, I knew it. I always felt akin to the black people. No way. And they were, he was like, yeah, I just like felt it in my bones.
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It's, it's Steven. Keep in mind.
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That's so weird. My mom is named Ben Sweeney. What? What? All right.
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All right. You know Shaquille O'Neal's real name is Ben Sweeney, but they didn't think it would sell, so they made it cooler. We're going to keep it Irish.
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No, we're done now. Okay. Why does he have an Irish last name? Let's sit on that.
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Okay. Grace. Grace says, what is the worst part of having multiple roommates?
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Never get in a time to fucking go to town. Jerk it with the sound on. Eat that pictures. Sorry, Lauren. I was going to say something similar to that, but I didn't.
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What is the worst part?
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She says, people can never agree on the AC temperature, and someone always ends up feeling uncomfortable with the temperature. That is why you need ACUC. With ACUC, everyone has their own vent system that goes to the room, so everyone can pick their own temperature. Every room would have its own thermostat. This allows for maximum comfort for everyone in your apartment.
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This also has a vent for the living room slash kitchen and other shared spaces. This vent would be like normal and stay at a typical room temp so no one is uncomfortable. In each apartment, there would be a cold air vent and a hot air vent with each thermostat from each room connected to them. With ACUC, your room has ACU control, maximum comfort guaranteed.
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all right uh i love it and and here's why i we don't we haven't had the ac on since like winter start because it is like cold enough to just keep it there but i sleep with my window open and i like to watch tv with the sliding door open but i realized in my all my roommates are really like nice guys so no one ever pointed out that like they don't like when it's like 45 degrees when we're watching the lakers game
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and uh zach i like went in to get something i think he thought i was going to bed for the night and when i came out the door was closed and i was like oh do you not like when that's open he was like no dude it's like freezing outside i've fun fact we like maybe a week or two ago it got like pretty chilly like the chilliest it had been and uh or like three weeks ago lauren gave me like a face what you didn't believe me
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no i'm why would three weeks be more i don't know i thought she was like insane time okay anyway we what we could we were like oh we should maybe put like the heat on and we're like do we have heat or we've never used heat or ac until two weeks ago at all well we just kind of crazy we just rocked i mean it's so temperate we just they're rocking it man we just rocked it here
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We just kind of like... You're a vibes guy.
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Do you open your windows?
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Have you woken up freezing, though?
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willie and i got our hands on some and we got a bottle each and then we did get the little like sample pack flavor you got in my flavor i got a hefe in my hand i've got vince okay wait spray i want to smell it oh it smells i was telling will right before we started recording
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Yeah. But theirs smells so good. Here's my thing. When I'm trying to buy at a normal store or something, unless they have the samples, it's impossible to tell what they smell like. So you can't buy it online, whatever. They sent us a little bag of... Of all the samples, I got to smell each one that I wanted. And then now I get to know that I'm a Vince guy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely.
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you get nervous that you're gonna be late yeah you don't know like there's some poops where it's like you know it's a quick one and there's some where you sit down you're like oh i'm gonna be here for a minute this is the thing that you strap around your stomach it kind of x-rays your insides maybe an mri whatever whatever technology we need we can figure that out later and it will tell you how long it is going to take for you to poop all that out
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So you could see if it's going to be... It'll also tell you if it's going to sting or not. Whoa. So you can know it won't throw off your whole plans. But let's say I have to leave in 10 minutes. It could be like, this is going to be a five-minute poop. Cool. I got five minutes to poop, five minutes to wipe.
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It's already been covered. All right, let's try and predict. Let's try and predict what's going to happen.
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Whoa, are you serious?
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Wait, is he that like really beautiful guy?
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You're thinking of Sam Hartman.
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Yeah. You know who I played against in my high school?
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Sam Smith. Yeah, Sam, Lauren. Lauren, Sam and I are actually boys if you want me to hook you up.
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Sam Hartman. Yeah. How? We follow each other on Instagram. Oh, that's sick.
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Love that. All right.
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Anyone else have a pitch?
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Because Seattle is closer to his hometown than Minneapolis.
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It kind of didn't occur to me that the Vikings were pretty good this year. Sam Darnold had a great year. Who did they get for him? I think he was a free agent. Okay. What's the worst part about garbage pickup? Don't get to do it yourself. Thinking about what those guys' life are like after they are done. Sometimes you forget to bring out the trash before trash night. This is a premium service.
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I'm not saying this is for the everyman, but if you've got money to spend, they come into your house. Garbage man stops the truck, goes into your house, they get your garbage. And if you pay extra for nooks and crannies, they will check all your nooks and crannies for little pieces of trash. Garbage man in my house? Yes. I'm out. I was about to say, those boots that are covered in gook. Stinky.
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Stinky. But they leave after.
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Well, they can get different boots for when they come in.
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They get different boots for when they come in. Then we're leaving it up to their judgment to determine what is trash. You come in and all your shit is... I see a huge insurance issue here. They're good. They know. They're garbage men.
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Do you know Sean Penn was a New York City garbage man for like two years? In the middle of COVID.
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Oh, I think he's a New York City government. Wait, what? For like a role? For a role, yeah. Well, there's nothing.
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Wait. Milk was good. Milk was a great movie. I loved it. Gus Van Zandt. One of my favorite directors. Who's that? Oh, okay. Yeah, that whole story is fucking insane. Pre-canceled James Franco was in that.
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Yeah, we should. We should watch Milk together.
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You didn't tell them about the pitch? Dude, I don't... Sometimes I feel bad being like, here are 11 segments.
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I tried to join in and Lauren was the only one that heard it. You guys just kept going.
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You could have like a regular sock under it, like a shirt. So it's like unbuttoned. Like a tank top. Yeah, there's a shirt showing under it.
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All right. Mine has to be a video today, unfortunately, just because if I was going to try and explain it, it wouldn't make any sense. You need the visual component. Lauren, pause this immediately, and I mean immediately. Is this short map animation? So there is a place in Canada where there is this very interesting phenomenon. Let's give it a watch.
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Lauren, turn the sound on when you get a chance.
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Isn't that crazy? Yeah. How would you even begin to get to that?
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Yeah, I got one. You do? Yeah. Nice. Where are you going? I'm going to Canada. What? In three weeks. Really? Yeah. Oh, what are you doing there? Toronto.
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we could try to get to this island go there dude i showed up to uh sonny mclean's on saturday for the duke unc game and do you ever like there there are two crews meeting and one crew has done bottomless brunch before it so like they're on a different wavelength so there were half of us were sober and half of us were like a not fun level of drunk and i was on the sober side
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Is it on YouTube? It's on YouTube. Nice.
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got it and uh our friend garrett kept dropping people's passports into the pitcher of beer which i had a handful of questions when i saw this one yeah why do they keep trusting garrett with their people have their why do they the second was why do multiple of you have your passports on you yeah and three why is garrett doing that
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There's a joke in it that when I watched it, it was like, that's right up Will's alley where they're looking at this like other run club.
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But it feels like in the way my parents explained the passport to me was like, this is the most valuable thing. Like if you lose this, like you are going to explode.
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Oh, to make it, to make it, to make matters worse, they, the way they all know each other is from Dartmouth. So, like, they are, like, they are, like, technically smart guys.
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And they're like, are those ones like way hotter than us or are we crazy? And then Dan makes some comment about like Nazism, like right as they like wave to their friends like this, so their hands are like out.
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All right, Willie, teach us something. You know that bees, how far do you think bees can fly in a day? A thousand miles.
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Oh, they can go eight miles in a day? No. 400,000 miles. They can go 60 miles in a day.
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That seems completely reasonable.
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Closest. They could go to like Boston. In one day? For a tiny bee?
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No, that's cool. It is cool, but 60... Do you think it'd be like... A bee. Do you realize how small a bee... Do you realize how fast they are? How far can a commercial airliner go in a day? Thousands of miles. That's the opposite of a B. This one says they can fly up to three miles. No, no, no. That's saying their radius is from its height. They're not flying in one direction. They have a hive.
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Honeybees typically fly less than a mile.
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Oh, you're saying they just cover 60 miles. You probably cover around that, walking around.
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What was that snail fact that we talked about a long time ago? How far a snail can go in a day?
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It's literally from here to that door. I envy that.
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If we brought a snail in this room, it's going to take them a week to get outside.
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It's not even like they don't even necessarily know it's at the end of the road. It's just like I have this unquenchable desire to get to that door. I'm going to take all day.
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Because they're the ones that beef with sperm whales, right?
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Lauren, how'd they get that picture of you suntanning?
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He's playing the Greek tonight. They just plop the squid out on the stage and the crowd's opening for giant squid.
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This is This Guy Rocks. I stumbled upon this video a while ago, and I feel like country has turned a little too pop for my liking, and whenever someone brings it back to its roots, that really makes me happy. So this is her country anthem, and it's called Ask a Country Song.
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That's awesome. Wait, pause it. It was all country, and then there's this one, I think, stock-footed shot of Bourbon Street. I think that's Broadway. That's Broadway on Nashville, yeah. Okay, continue.
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I think she needs some more vocal production maybe, but I think it could get there. She could sell those.
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I'm into it. I just slacked mine to you. I just slacked mine to Brian. That's what we do when we want Lauren to show a video. I did text Lauren that this morning and asked if I'd already showed both of you.
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He's running for president.
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I like how his brain works because it's very like, just let's hit every point. He kind of likes numbers and stuff. I don't know. I mean, I would say Tyler Higby on the VP ticket, that's an all-time get.
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They do say that in your presidential campaign, you should post pictures of yourself in slides, in like Nike slides.
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Were you guys in Shovelhead at the same time? No. He's a lot older than me. Yeah, he's like 41. No, he's 33.
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2032 president. This is a Florida guy for sure. I'm just going to say it. I don't think Matt Garopek is worth six figures. I do. I think he's, like, been dropshipping, like... Look at that.
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You're telling me a guy with less than six figures took a picture in front of those lions. Those are tigers.
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Yeah, I went to school in Florida, and one of the biggest realizations I had was you guys don't have basements. No. It's just you can't build underground. Same in Charles.
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I like that a lot. And I'll take you. And I can come? You can come. And I can get a pizza? You can probably get a pizza. Okay. Pizza pie.
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Will was giving me shit the other day. I ordered two slices of pizza the other day because I didn't want a whole pizza. And he fucking read me the riot act. You do this sometimes. I was just saying it's unique.
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I think when I order pizza, it's usually a whole pizza. I wasn't reading the riot act. I was like, oh, I've never seen that before. He came in and fucking cleaned my... You're definitely not getting your bang for your buck, I feel like, in that sense. They're like fucking... I'm not judging.
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Dude, you're going to love this. Dan has a roommate that I know. Well, I don't know him that well.
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It looked good. I had one of the pizzas. It was great.
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I was having lunch at work. What am I going to carry around a large pizza? I just don't usually order pizza unless it's like a group activity.
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I had a piece. It was great. Like yesterday, I tried to order a whole pizza for myself, and I had three slices, and now the rest went bad.
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Whoa, that's crazy. We're not in Florida, and I just got a text that said, after we were talking about Florida, it goes, when do you get back from Florida? Whoa. Wow. Who sent that? My girlfriend.
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That's fantastic. The sand comes off when you get to the water. You know, you can't... When you achieve your goal, you'll get rid of all the shit that you picked up along the way. But, you know, sometimes you got to wade through it before you get to... Or wade through. It's a bad example. No, no. It's a payoff. But you know what I mean? Yeah.
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You're going to pick up some sand as you go across the beach. But it'll all be worth it once you get to that water. That's beautiful. That's fantastic. Watering a house plant with a fire hose. Sometimes if you go too big, too much of a good thing can actually hurt the problem. Didn't you have another one about a house plant? I don't know. Probably.
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We do this so much. And I'm always looking at stuff, like, around my house. Well, he had one the other day that was caught between a mime and an auctioneer. And it was because we were in a meeting. We were like, I think we need to get an auctioneer for this video. And then we ended up switching it to a mime.
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With a bigger problem, you can make little tweaks to try to shield yourself from it, but it's still going to be there when you put those blinds back up. I love that. Trying to jump over the ladder, making something harder on yourself. You can just climb it. I like that.
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Marrying the first girl you meet. You got to see all of your options. Sometimes the first thing seems appealing because it's easy, but you got to really explore everything that's out there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Should we do desserts that don't exist? Yeah. Tee us up. All right. These are desserts that don't exist. All right. All right.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Yeah, just, yeah. I actually don't think this would be horrible. I was about to call you childish, and then I was just like, we're all pitching desserts that don't exist. It's like Skyline Chili for dessert. It's a Willy Wonka pitch meeting.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
I love that. I really love that. I've got the whipped cream tornado.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
You can have one. Really? Yeah. I'll take a scoop. Yeah. Chocolate fajitas. They bring out all the dessert toppings in like a very loud crackling pan. They settle it. They set it down. You make the sundae yourself. I like that. Now the whole restaurant's looking at it. Everyone's excited about it. And they're like, we're going to sell more chocolate fajitas now.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Yeah, exactly. That sounds great. I've got tirayusu. I'm tired of it being all about me.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
My last one is called the London Bridge. It's a cake shaped like the London Bridge and then they give you like a tres leches sauce and you pour it over the cake and it collapses and everyone around the table sings that the London Bridge is falling down.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Yeah, it's not the commitment part that I'm confused about. It's that it's been a woman.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
That's great. Well, Dan, if you were like around when this happened, multiple weeks in a row I had like a crazy, we ordered dessert and it was like a fiasco when it came out. It's just a normal. Sunday. Well, no, but like one was like. What do you mean by fiasco? He keeps it like the craziest dessert happened and then shows a picture. It's like, that looks like a normal dessert.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
We'll show it right here. The last one I had was literally on fire. It was like had a sparkler in it. Okay, well, sorry you guys knew about sparklers. And then the second one, the guy had to come out and make the sundae on a cart. So I just think that making dessert an event is very... I like that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Dude, the one that came out the other day, it was a pretty dimly lit restaurant, and it was as if the lights were on. That's how bright the sparkler... The sparkler was this big. Like at the club? The sparkler was this big.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
How have I... I can't stop hitting on him.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
he didn't die on 9-11 no just in case anything goes down oh yeah you want to be yeah there to stop it i like that that was kind of his promise that he made oh yeah because it would have gone down differently good point yeah i would do it like you all have said that though huh you know like any of us could have said like just because he was supposed to be on the flight he he was like yeah if i was on that flight like it wouldn't have gone out of the way like it's awesome any of us could be like yeah if we were there it wouldn't have gone down that way
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Yeah. I was so confused. I'm clearly his type. Yeah, he's the last guy in this office that hasn't fucked me. That makes a lot more sense. Wait, so you came out. Neither of you talked about how long you were going to stay. And then he was just like that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
I'm going to steal the plus-size park hoppers personality. Have you seen these ladies? What's this? They're called the plus-size park hoppers, and they are a group of... Pull up the plus-size park hoppers, Lauren. They're a group of thick women who love to hit the parks and they'd give you different tips on like how to travel in style. They have to get like, you know. Oh, they go to like Disney?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yeah, because Will and I are going to Epcot, so I'm going to use some of their tips. The Irishman's weakness.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I'm going to steal the mom from White Lotus' personality in this new season.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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She's hilarious. She's so funny. She's so funny.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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She's so carefree. And I just, that's time.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
She's also addicted to opiates.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
My sister sends me a plus size park hopper. My sister famously does not think very much is funny, but she really gets like a kick out of the plus size park hoppers.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
They just, well, like they put on their plane, like when they book a flight with Delta, they put, there's something that you put in your name to signal to them that you're overweight so that they give you a seatbelt extender.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
So like their name, like your name would be like Dan XL Carney or something.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Yeah. That's what they called you in high school. Really? Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Thank you, Dan. Guys, we love you. Have a great rest of your Wednesday and a great rest of your week. And then we will see you guys after the weekend. Huzzah! Play that theme music, Lauren.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Happy to be on a play date. When we were down on the boardwalk, I was thinking about weird places to sleep. When we were down on the boardwalk, I don't think either of us pointed out because it was really sad, but I meant to talk about it in the moment.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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There was a guy just sleeping in a recycling bin out there, and I didn't want to... I thought we both saw it and were like, we'll talk about it later, but then we never talked about it. He was sleeping upright in a recycling bin, and I was like, if I was homeless, that's probably the last... Like, my shelter would really have to. I mean, it's better than the trash can, right?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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He's a trailblazer. Lauren lost her phone to a homeless guy. Oh, yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
So I went out on Saturday night. Wait, what?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
He doesn't respond to any of our texts. I went to a show in downtown LA on Saturday night in like a warehouse district. I left my phone outside this club when we were leaving. I think I either bled on a ledge or like it fell on the ground. I didn't notice when we got an Uber. We got back to my apartment on Saturday night, realized I didn't have my phone.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Long story short, a homeless man picked it up off the street. I went...
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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downtown yesterday and he was just riding around you had the location had the location phone for sale i had to like call him over and over and over and he like finally he would pick up like intermittently like wouldn't sometimes would answer and be like super specific about like where he was going to meet me and then would like ghost me for 30 minutes i'm like dude i So whatever, we go downtown.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
I see it like moving because he's on a bike. He's on the go. So I see him and then we just like pull up.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
It was crazy. It was crazy. And then they fall in love at the end. I don't know. Like the juxtaposition of like that being like a huge problem my day yesterday. Meanwhile, he's like just homeless and like that's... I don't know. It just made me so sad because I didn't know that he was homeless when I was on my way there. I couldn't get a read on if he worked in the area.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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So he didn't have any cash on me and I asked him if he wanted food or anything and he didn't.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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No, I know. I'm like, why would he keep it? But he was definitely on something.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
how so were you following this guy yeah wait i'm confused i want to know about the exact interaction like you like pull up alongside him yeah so you like intercepted him mia my my roommate mia was in the car with me and in retrospect probably should have had like a man in the car i don't know my mom was so mad she calls us on the way there i was like mom it's fine i have a knife in my purse she's like lauren that's not funny do you normally carry a knife or you brought it i just brought a knife what kind of knife
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Steve Smith Sr.? Yeah. That was a good way to pull.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Like a kitchen knife.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
No, not a butter knife.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
No, only if he tried to pull any funny business. I think that's reasonable.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
You probably should have brought a guy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
I don't have pepper spray. I know, I didn't think about it. Hopefully he would never come.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
If push comes to stab, you're going to have to fucking... We turned down the street.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
We're driving around. There's a few tents and there's people there, but it's very vacant. There's not much going on.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Yeah. Did you get that, Laura? I did get it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
This is really funny.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
No, I acknowledge. No, I laughed. We drive by him. I see this dude on his bike. And I'm on Find My Friends. So I'm watching my dot travel down the street. I'm like, that was probably him. Like that dude on his bike that just biked by my car.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
But we could get into that. Or was it Steve Smith Sr. by the time you got the first jersey?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
So we turned around and then I called him again and I had a bright red phone case so I could like see it in his hand. I was like, oh, that's my phone. And then we just, I like pull up next to him and I was like, hi, thank you so much. And he just, he was definitely on something.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
Well, I was like, oh my God. Thank you. Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
life as shaq's illegitimate son (the dan carney story)
No, we knew. We'd been on the phone.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I guess I didn't miss that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
It's up to you.
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This podcast is brought to you by Triple.
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And... I'll say it. South Carolina. Looking at you, Charleston. It will be available in Illinois, Arizona, and Ohio by the end of the year. Okay.
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Ah, the golden handcuffs.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
No, it's not. That's not a foot. That's like 11 inches. Give me another inch. Yeah, I can fit in there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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All right, Lauren, come up with a saying that doesn't exist right now.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Can't clear your history in real life. Yep.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Are you going to do it?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
My roommate had it in college.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Yeah, this one actually does say that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Like, they put you guys in the same fucking class.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
He taught me in a class called Boys to Men. That was a class?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Oh, cool. What were you thinking about?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Lauren's having a big wig party tomorrow. We're all very excited about it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
That's awesome. I love it. All righty. Willie.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Okay. Can we use your phone this time? I've been giving my phone number to all these people. Sure, sure.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Hi, how's it going? This is Mark from the permitting division of the building department.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Mind if I play the toot flute? Yep. Okay, now you tell me ways to smoke weed. I'm so upset right now. These are ways to say...
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Okay, these are excuses for being late. I can't believe we just burned four drafts.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Torching lung is funny. All right. Lauren, whose personality are you going to steal this week?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
He's the god of... angel of love. God of love. God of desire.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
The Roman god of erotic love. Lauren's gonna get freaky, apparently.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
I'm going to steal Hermione's personality from...
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
We love you guys so much. Proud of you. So, so much. Gigi, I hope your husband isn't upset. I thought you were saying Gigi's. Gigi's. Gigi, I hope your husband's not upset with us. He was a really good sport.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
Love you guys. Have a great. Boy, I got this.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
professor has EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN after meeting son’s brother
This is a Wednesday episode? Yeah. Have a great rest of your Wednesday. Hump day. Hump day. Hump day.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Alright, we love you guys. Have a great rest of your week. Get something lovely for dinner tonight. Bye. Bye.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Well, I grew up near here. And I always noticed... But the way they speak is very odd. It's now called the Delco accent. So I will continue to speak to you in Delco. Hi, how are you doing? Ever been to Philly before? Don't you love it? You're not sure? Who asked you? Anyway, did you get a hickey yet? You know, it's not a sub. It's not like Subway.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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You're so good at selling our hats.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Hast du Impro gemacht? Nein, ich mag keine Stände.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Exactly. You fucking nailed that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Du warst in Weymouth? Ja. Du musst uns protestieren. Wir können uns nicht dazu geben.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Wow. Are you nice to chat, GBT?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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When I use it, I get what I need out of it and then I am mean to it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Denk daran. Ich habe nicht gesagt, dass ich die Minions hasse.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Nein, ich habe mit dem, was Lorenz sagt, zufrieden. Okay. Minions sind Schläfer. Ich glaube, das ist verarscht. Das ist auch ein weiteres schlechtes Ding. Er ist ein Schläfer.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Mary and I recently followed each other or has it been a while?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I feel like we've known each other forever.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Jack Schlossberg Ballet Recital.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Das ist ein interessanter Grupp von Ballerinnen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Mary, what's your ideal man look like? This.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Guys, shaving is a personal thing, we all know that. And, you know, however you like to shave, Dollar Shave Club has something for you. Dollar Shave Club makes the razors, but you... Make the rules.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Also Mary, I forgot to tell you this. At any point you can say a sound effect and Lauren has to edit it in.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Shout out Maine. Shout out Portland, Maine.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Chestnuts roasting on an open fire.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Du weißt nicht, wie weit 50 Yards ist? Ist das ein Fußballplatz? Nein.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Like, I don't know. I didn't know he was running with that type of crew.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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It's kind of just like we... Office moment.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Is that setting in? Are you hearing what she's saying? I hear everything. Valuable information.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I forgot a pitch, but I'm going to come up with one right on the spot. Give me five seconds.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Er ist wie der Premiere-Kind. Oh, ja, ja. Das ist ein tolles Video.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Honestly, that's what we all want. Er ist ein Arschloch.
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Woody Harrelson is my brother.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Jonah Hill ist seine Schwester?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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It's L.A., man. And I was listening to Miss Jackson. It was fucking sick.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Mary, are you a nepo baby at all?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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And then went on to call her daddy and it sparks for flying.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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That's beautiful. Lauren's an alcoholic.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yesterday she came into work with this like new, we'll put a picture over here, like this new smoothie. I took one with it. It was like 60% rum.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Nein, nein, es wäre etwa im Juli. Oh ja, es war der 4.
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Und er hat eine dünne Mustache.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Oh yeah. Mary, do you want to teach us something? Oh, you don't have one.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Ich esse manchmal Eis. Du isst es auf deinen Beinen? Nein, nein. Ich esse es auf meinen Beinen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Und dann gehe ich unter meine Beine und esse es. Das ist ein kleiner Geheimnis.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Just whatever you want to do first.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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sorry that happened to you again again you know the other thing that happened to you um oh another fun story i've told before my friend andrew went to get a physical and they were there was like a sexy nurse that was like doing her residency or whatever and the doctor let her do the ball part and he got a boner
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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You're supposed to be cocaine lip gloss. Cocaine lip gloss?
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All the goats. I've never done heroin, but it sounds fucking killer.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Sie war so verrückt. Hast du den Lehrer gesehen, der mit seinem Studenten verletzt wurde?
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Okay, blow out. She got married in Italy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Should we tee up Disney shows?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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And who else? I don't know. London?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Mary, whose personality are you going to steal this week? This weekend.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Whose personality am I stealing?
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Say a sentence in Spanish. Say a sentence in Spanish.
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Mary, tell them what to comment on this video.
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Go yum. I love every flavor of...
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ich war untererfreut in New York City für genau einen Monat. Und hier ist, wie viel ich verdient und verdient habe, verbreitet durch Kategorie. Dieses Monat habe ich Tennis gecoacht, ich habe 880 Dollar gemacht. Und von Pickleball habe ich 1.005 Dollar gemacht. Alright, so his total monthly income with, you know, a little help from Uncle Sam is around $4,600. Yeah. Seems doable. Uh...
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
Ich will ein Mysterie-Shopper werden. Was bedeutet das? 596 Dollar. Shit! Woah! I spent $637 shopping, but that didn't include most of my Christmas gifts, so that should be lower next month. I spent $665 on food, including bars, restaurants and dates, as well as $33 on my entertainment at the movie theater. I spent $144 on buses and trains to get across New York City.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I spent $375 on my gym membership and $300 in therapy. I spent $148 at grocery stores and pharmacies. I spent $97 on Ubers and $167 on Uber Eats. Altogether that brought my monthly expenses to $6,200.
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I used pull my finger to save my relationship
I mean, okay, if he's on unemployment, that means he just lost his job, so he must have been making enough that he has...
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constructing the ultimate birdhouse
It's all natural, gluten free, and again, just 15 to 20 calories. Willie, what do you love about Triple, man?
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constructing the ultimate birdhouse
Uh, I don't want to step on your toes, but here's something I love about triple.
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constructing the ultimate birdhouse
This is like, you drink one, see how you feel, drink another one, see how you feel. And you can like, kind of like float on the thing. It's great. It's fantastic.
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Looking at you, Carlston. It will be available in Illinois, Arizona, and Ohio by the end of the year. A dark. A dark. A dark.
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A little interesting on the inside. Interesting.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Three cities you'd get it. Lauren, where would you go?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
constructing the ultimate birdhouse
I walked into the apartment yesterday and my roommate Zach was just fucking screaming at someone. And I was like, oh my God, it's like a stressful day at work. And I like walked around because you have to walk past his room to get to my room and like kind of peeked in.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Oh, I can't on Saturday. I can't. I have drinks on Saturday.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Because I... There are three settings on my dab pen. And...
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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And I think my ways to cancel plans are really good, but I think my ways to say you're hungry are not great. That's okay. I just spoiled the roadmap.
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Then we're going to do everyone's favorite segment. Teach me something. Followed by this guy rocks. This guy rocks. This guy rocks today. Hey, this guy rocks and he rocks so hard and he rocks on my balls until they're all around. And then I fucked up and I forgot to find a permitting division of the building.
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Let's go. I get a lot of DMs of us in other people's hinges. Really? Yeah. Like my sister sent me one of a guy in New York, and I'm in his hinge. That's funny. Hinge, hinge, hinge, hinge, hinge, hinge, hinge, hinge.
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Would I order for the table a cheesy gordita crunch?
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Wait, go up, Lauren. Go up, Lauren. My favorite thing to do while social distancing. I like that. You look cool as hell in that.
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It's Willie playing guitar in Joshua Tree with a cowboy hat over his hood. Very chill vibes.
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Peyton. I'm still excited to hear your pitch, though.
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And it's like, whoa, no, no, no, no, no.
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You can feel what it would be like to be them.
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It's also about Kiss. Mine's about Gene Simmons.
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Why am I blanking on who sang that? Every breath I'll be watching you. Every move you make.
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I said, this guy rocks and he rocks so hard. He rocks on the balls and he rocks on my lungs and he rocks in my yard. He rocks till he rocks and he rocks around. He rocks around and he takes you downtown. Lauren, this is mine. Pause it immediately. And I mean immediately. Please, please, please.
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I'm going to steal Pauly from Goodfellas personality. Nice. Because I'm going to try and do more listening than I do talking, which is something I'm working on. All right.
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If I could pick my last name, it would not be Danella, I'll tell you that.
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Wait, what? Have you seen Google Mrs. Met? Giat.
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Go to the next one. She's got a donk. Is that real? Yeah, she has a notorious leak. Look at that.
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Can you buy a shirt for me that just says the goat? Go one shirt over. What's the bag? That's awesome.
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Wundervoller, wundervoller, wundervoller Episode.
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Das klingt verrückt. Ich habe die ersten zwei oder drei gesehen.
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Ja, der kleine Junge. Ich bin so beeindruckt. Was? Ich weiß nicht, ob es einen Spoiler ist. Hast du dich auf den Weg gesetzt und den letzten Episode gespielt, oder hat ein Freund es gesehen? Ein Freund hat es gesehen.
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I love the can. Can we talk about the can? The can is so cute. The drink tastes incredible, but the colors are just gorgeous and I'm frankly obsessed with it.
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No, I said 200. What do you think I said?
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Wenn sie steif sind, unbedeutend, fühlen Sie sich, als ob Sie sich anstrengen?
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All the guys that wear them in the office, they look so good.
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Sie hat alle auf ihrem Set verabschiedet.
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Oh, I'd play it cool, obviously. I'd be like... Hey, girl. Hi. Hello. How are you doing? What are you doing here?
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Well, I don't even know if I would tell her I'm a big fan. I feel like I would just act like I don't know. Are you telling me this? No, I'm just thinking out loud. Okay.
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Du hast gesagt, dein Name war Lauren? Ja. Schön, dich kennenzulernen, Lauren. Ich liebe deine... Sie hat wahrscheinlich ein cooles Outfit an.
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Thank you. Wow, you nailed that. No. But I'll probably take a picture of you when you leave. As you're walking out. Just so it's not really creepy. I can pose, I'll be ready for it.
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No, you didn't. I swear to God. He loves to lie. You lie?
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Aber es war so, dass es nicht sie war. Ein paar Jahre her.
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We have been recording. He's actually terrified. Did you tell him any of this stuff?
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Also habe ich sie einfach in die Draft gesendet.
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Bäckig. Okay. Kira. Kira sagt... Hey, Dookie, Bunkle und Schlonka-Dunka.
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Ich mag Dunka. Was ist das Schlimmste, wenn du in der Mitte der Nacht wachst?
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Kira sagt, du weißt nicht, wie, was, warum oder wer deinen suddenen Rücktritt in die Bewusstheit verursacht oder wie man es lösen kann. Der Schlumberg-Solve-Bed-Frame von Noctora ist von echter Intelligenz und Analyse gefördert und analysiert deine Körperstruktur und Gehirnaktivität und enthält alle nötigen Mechaniken, um dich in den cosy Dreamspace zurückzuziehen.
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Das war so verrückt. Ich war nicht... Das war großartig.
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Was meinst du, du verstehst es nicht? Ich lese es. Als ich es lese, fühle ich mich... Ich verstehe es nicht.
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Yeah, well, something I'll say about that other pitch. I need that for right now. My neighbors, my upstairs neighbors woke me and my roommate up last night. Probably around 1am I wake up to hearing dog toys being thrown across the floor. They're like stomping all around. I'm like... I don't know what to do about that situation. It's just so disrespectful.
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Okay, next pitch is from Aaron Erdstein.
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Have you ever been running late to something? Maybe you slept through your alarm for work. Maybe you completely forgot you made plans and received the dreaded, hey, where are you text? Well, this is uber crashed for you. Yes, I got this idea from the pod last week.
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So this is in addition to the Uber app, where you can order an Uber at an extra premium, which will crash at some point in the ride and gives you the perfect excuse not to go to work or any plans you don't feel like attending. Don't ask who covers the damage expenses. I am high level. Much love from Sydney.
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No, it's a myth that toilets in Australia flush in the opposite direction compared to the northern hemisphere. That's just AI. Wait, that's AI. Yeah, I wouldn't trust that. Fuck, I wish I disagreed with him so that I could be right here.
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Das ist unser Schrein, direkt hinter dir. Was? Wer ist das?
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Wow, schön. Ich glaube, eines meiner Lieblings-Videos in der Welt ist es, die Früchte von den Früchten-Maschinen draußen zu bekommen, mit dem Tahini und dem Lime. Oh, wirklich?
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Ich bin besorgt. Mango, Tahini, Lime.
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Did you guys try for a 95-year-old?
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Sie ist gestorben. Was? Ja. Sie ist vor vier Jahren gestorben.
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Ich erinnere mich an die Leute, die darüber gesprochen haben.
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Wir haben darüber gesprochen, vier Episoden lang. Er ist entspannt.
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I just realized one of my best friends is also going to Charleston tomorrow. Maybe you'll see her. Who is it? Katja, one of my best friends from high school. Katja. K-A-T-J-A.
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And I pulled up, you know, when the cops like chill in like a parking spot, just like wait for something to happen. I pulled up, the guy in front of me is also expired. How do you know that? Because I was like, the cop pulled out behind us. And I was like, oh, he's pulling out because mine is expired. And then I looked and the defender in front of me was expired by longer.
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Mine's October, his was July. And so he's kind of behind us, but there's a car in between the cop and me and the other guy. And so we're like, hey, we just need this guy to like just sit there. Cause I don't think he can get it. Like, I don't think he was positive that both of them were expired, but he pulled out and we get separated by a red light. And now the car behind me shifts.
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So it's just like, if he catches up to me, he'll be right behind me and be able to tell that mine's expired. And just miraculously, we kept both moving one light and getting stopped, moving one light and getting stopped. And then he turned on his lights, but he was like a hundred yards away. And so I just turned right into the parking lot. You think he was trying to pull you over?
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I don't know, but I wasn't going to sit around and find out. Interesting.
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That wasn't the only factor. I wasn't like, I'm going to do this just so I can sleep in a bed. She was like the worst person ever. She was great.
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I always think about when cops are just trying to get to somewhere quickly, how everyone thinks they're getting pulled over. Because I've had that happen multiple times where it's like, oh, fuck, they got me. And then it's like, oh, no, he's going to something. Did I tell you when Harper and I got pulled over in Maine?
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We were in Booth Bay and my mom got a new car, but like didn't get rid of her old one. So when any of the kids come home, we like use this old car.
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So like not having an inspection is like way worse than like having an- What is that?
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In Maine, they have this thing that goes on your windshield and it's like a different color for each month so like the cops can tell. And like, it's not the end of the world if yours is expired. It just means like you have to go do it. Yeah, but I think Maine's pretty like rigorous too. Maine's pretty strict about like a lot of things and like-
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Having an expired one wouldn't have been the end of the world. They'd probably give you a warning, tell you to go get it fixed. Scraping it off is a real crime because it's like... Not only did I know it was expired, I'm actively trying to hide it. We pull up at this light and he's looking at us the other way. He literally pulled his sunglasses down to be like, there's no way they don't have one.
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I've never seen a car that doesn't have one. He pulled us over and he was like...
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what is it you where's your inspection and i was like i don't i don't know because i didn't know the story of where like my sister just scraped it off and didn't tell anyone and so and so i was like i don't know it's like my it's my mom's car like i don't think no one really drives it during the year and he was like okay look there's still like residue from where it was he was like someone took it off
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And I was like, it wasn't me, I swear to God. And he was like, okay, that is like a legit crime. He was like, go home and do not drive this car again until you get it inspected. But he was like, you have to tell your sister that was not a good thing. Or whoever did that, it was not a good thing. Damn. We took my I had a car and we took we moved to Maine.
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And they were like, they were like, this car is so fucked that it would take like the inspect just for moving. The inspection told us basically that we had to get like sell the car. Did you go to like a DMV or did you go to like a body shop? Went to a body shop in Saco. So I don't want to, I don't want to. Oh, cause they want to make money off you.
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no i think that those people were like honest i don't want to dox anyone but we we had a couple cars running around in maine when i was a kid that had like no business being on the road like like yeah probably an unsafe amount of rust and my dad was like yeah there are there are guys that like if you pay them they'll they will be like yeah that's good Interesting.
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Isn't that like put their credibility on the line? The thing is, I don't think he does it for everyone, but it's like my dad's done like trailers and a million cars with this guy. Yeah. And yeah, they have to sign their name on the thing. So it's like it was inspected by like this person. And I think they had like kind of a deal that was like, if you get pulled over, like this is a new thing.
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you know what i mean like oh this just happened this happened like since yeah i guess there's no way they could prove that that problem existed when the inspection took place i guess rust was like yeah i don't understand that is that a legitimate like if your car if your car's like rusted out on the bottom yeah like my this happens in in uh maine a lot right like all yeah there's so much salt on the road that like yeah because of the snow and shit
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yeah so like when they salt the roads to like get the snow off it like gets on the bottom of your car like you're supposed to get your car washed like all the time in these i'm surprised it didn't happen in chicago talking about shot town no i just what is the danger of a really rusted car like the part like the like structural integrity of the car like is like not there anymore because the metal is like
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like my my dad said the i had like this old 2003 jeep that i drove in high school and college and he like putts around with it in florida now and he was like yeah i don't know if i'm gonna be able to get them to like approve it next time this expires he was like if i like you can like put your finger through like some of the some of the bottom of the car yeah i feel like my cousins have talked like the just cars in maine just the turnaround you gotta get cars a lot
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Aaron Hernandez. Oh. Chad Ochocinco. Chad Ochocinco, that's a good one, that's a good one.
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If you're buying like a used car, like most people try and buy them from like another state. Yes. My cousin's bought one from Nevada. Yeah. Flew to Nevada and drove it. We've done. That's like all of my longest road trips were like getting cars from other places. It's crazy. So that.
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rollins was a very small school and so like and that car was so random that like it was kind of a recognizable car amongst like my friends because like no one has this like random old jeep yeah my dad still lives in that college town like during the winter and he was like at multiple at multiple like stoplights he was like some of your buddies will be like yo ah never mind does he go to college parties ever
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One of my, one of my, I'm having the realization that like stories that I think are cool from my time in like college are now by the time it's like a big game of telephone. So like the kids that are there now, the story has changed so much from like what actually happened.
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yeah and he was like you know he put us in like twenty thousand dollars worth of debt and she was like what how she was like he took the company they basically said we went out on the company car or on the fraternity card and like ran up a huge tab the real story was i got my first brand deal and i went to check my bank account
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uh to see if i had like enough money to buy like another beer like i literally had like 12 when i went out and it had hit with the direct deposit so i rounded everyone up and we went to like a different club and like spent a lot of money club just a club for dancing dancing it was called dance it was called dancers and um we spent like a ton of money it was not a strump it's not strump and
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and uh and it was i thought it was like a cool story like i get like i was giving all the new guys like you know money to throw around at the club that's not what i would do with that money no and it was bought a i would have bought an investment it was a mistake it was a mistake that you only make once but i remember waking up uh oh this was awful
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this, there was this one kid who was really nice kid, which is like kind of annoying sometimes like late at night. And he would like fuck with you if you're drunk. And he, he came out and he had this like shitty and grin. We all woke up on the couch. We were like, what? And he was like, do you guys want to know what you did last night? And we were like, what dude? And he goes, uh,
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You were stealing the money off the floors? No, no, no. We still had a lot of the money from the ATM. And he said he came out, and a kid gave him 50 bucks to go back to bed. What?
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wait what that's awesome he came to hang out and was like clearly about to like ruin the vibe and someone was like just go back to bed and give him 50 bucks oh my god that's funny done a lot worse for a lot less yeah but that's now the story is that it wasn't my money yeah so the story has now become so clearly someone else defrauded the that's what we're saying fraternity and now is like conflating stories to pin it pin it on you
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to ruin my reputation it's so funny that there's like there are these like there are hundreds of these organizations that are just run by like 19 year olds yeah there's so much money like there i've never yeah i don't know anything about that world but like when i was the president of my fraternity i like had no control over the finances because like i was just like this is gonna i have no like willpower like i will i will do this poorly were you in sorority
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It's... I don't mean... No, it's just, it's like a funny place to go to college, Dayton, Ohio.
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It's like the town of Dayton, Ohio. The city of Dayton is a shittle.
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I loved Dayton. You've been there? Remember the basketball? I spent two weeks in Dayton for the basketball tournament.
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no i mean listen i love southwestern ohio as much as the next guy i just well it's just like different i guess like there's so many when you're going into like picking your college yeah i was always thinking like i want to be in a city like i i want to be i don't know i was like they also just gave me the most money like they were great with scholarship and like yeah
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Where did you look for colleges? I applied early decision to UPenn. Oh.
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And then I applied to, like, all the IVs, USC. You went to USC? Yeah. No, I did not get into USC. I got waitlisted at UChicago. Damn. I was... That's... I know. Because I had a good essay for them, I think. And my common app essay was ass. And then I got... UChicago's... I got rejected from nine out of my 12, though.
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So I didn't actually get into any of the... The only ones I got in New Ohio State, Xavier, and BC. But I feel like even just having those as places you applied to...
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It's crazy because there was just... When I sat down with my counselor, we had a chat where it was just like, there are some that we're just not going to throw an app. Maybe my counselor probably could have done me a service by saying that. They deluded me. No, I actually think my essay was... I had good stats and everything. I think my essay was god-awful.
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oh it was so bad mine i didn't like my common app essay it was so bad i was like could not i don't even think i wrote one it was unoriginal you definitely wrote a common app essay everyone's i think i got in i think i got into college in like august like before senior did you only apply to rollins i definitely found out from them first i think it was like rollins babson and bentley
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yeah no i just mean like i just mean like the a college that ends in state like you're yeah you know you can take any school you want ads like i was not applying to michigan i was applying to michigan state that's what you're saying um although in ohio ohio state's better than ohio this is true um
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That was my dream for all of high school. I was like, how can I get in there? I did the best I could, but I remember finding out that I didn't get in. It was while I was getting a haircut. And I went, because it was an early decision, so it was before I knew from any of the other schools, too. And it was like, if I got in, I had to go.
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But yeah, I told the barber, I was like, hey, just so you know, I'm about to find out if I got into my dream school. Like, just want to let you know. And he's like, okay, cool. If you want to pause the haircut at any point, if you get the notification or whatever, just let me know. And I was like, thank you. He was my man. He'd been cutting my hair for years.
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yeah i felt like it was crazy so then the email came and obviously and the email came and i was like hey i just got it can i check and he's like yeah so i'm there like it's just me like you know you usually like with your parents or something and it's just me and my barber and i was like i didn't get it i'll do a number two on the sides buzz it all off. I don't deserve this.
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Give me a mohawk. You come home with a fade. Your parents are furious because now you have a fade and you're not going to UPenn.
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I love Philly and I visited there and I love the campus. It's just beautiful. It's got cool history. That being said, once I was in college, I feel like my work ethic declined, and I think an Ivy would have been a lot. So I don't necessarily have regrets.
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The girl I beat for class president got in and I didn't. And I was like, she won in the end.
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Like the coolest kid in the grade above me went to UPenn. He kind of looks like you. Fuck, he sounds awesome. Luigi Mangione, one of my classmates. Do you see it? He looks so cool. He's sick.
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Nice. Bing. Zinger mom. Zinger girlfriend. Nice. Nice.
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Jack clip that clip that um yeah but yeah we call we like to that's just like a fun thing we like to do in my house to like bring all the girls down cause we go you guys went to college for spoiled kid yet yet we go you go you went places it cost money you went places it cost money and for spoiled kid spoiled kid like uh Will Ferrell my mom went there at the same time as him really yeah
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yeah did someone throw up in here and be like no and he's like are you sure like i they sent me down here because someone threw up and he'd be like smoking a cigarette just like make his friends laugh and then he would leave that's awesome oh my god um all right should we my feral if will ferrell was my friend i'd be like so elf was awesome remember when you were news guy buddy the elf what's your favorite color anchorman what would you say will ferrelly cousin
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That's a word. You can't say that one. It's like a treat.
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Get that rid of that. It's too many holes. I get like tryptophanophobia or whatever. I think that's a fake.
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All right, here's the thing. I literally just got... That's like when people are like, oh, I hate the word moist. Don't say it. That's... I don't know, like, I can't prove it, but you're invalidating how I feel. It's true. My girlfriend in high school said that she had tryptophanophobia, and I remember being like, that's not real. It's real. What, you're scared of the English muffin?
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No, it legitimately makes my skin, like, it's a physical reaction. Oh, interesting. It makes my skin, like, crawl.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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What do you think that is, that, like, we've evolved to be afraid of holes? Bugs, I guess?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Men used to build things with their hands. Now they're afraid of holes. That's why the birth rate's down. Men are afraid of holes now. Yeah, exactly. Ugh.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Give me a fastball. All right. Throw me that mud ball.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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That's such a strong name. Bobby Odor a dollar or something. Bobby Odor?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Hey, Bobby Odor, pay up. Hey, Bobby Odor, what's that aroma coming off of you?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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uh, the folding is impossible. And like the, for some reason you can't buy the stretchy tortillas. Like the only tortillas are available at the grocery store. The thick ones.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I almost threw them out of principle, but then I was like, that's messed up. They used to have buffalo cauliflower at somewhere.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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i love burrito i love that idea that's genuine okay here's here's the thing hit me you could actually probably make that if it didn't make the tortilla that idea if you've ever seen like the those machines that like roll the perfect joint you put the weed in you slide the paper in imagine just putting rice beans chicken salsa
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yeah. Like a bribe? Yeah, he tried to bribe a ref. He got suspended. Oh, nice. There's some insane stories of the shit he used to do. He only ate McDonald's when he was in the NFL. Oh, Kevin King, too.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Sounds awesome. I used to roll the worst joints. Oh my God. I had a reputation for rolling the worst joints, but I was the only one who would do it. It was like anytime we got back from drinking or something in college, I'd be like, all right, we'd smoke out on the fire escape and I would be trying to, they would look like fucked up spaghetti or something. I got to get these pictures.
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My friend Kathleen would like clockwork, be like, let me see him take a picture. And then like the next day, be like, look at the one he rolled last night. Trying to get girls to come back. It's so hard.
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It was so hard to like even be able to do it that I was like, I'm not going to. I don't care if it doesn't look pretty.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yes, but sometimes you'd be doing it and you'd like suck the filter. Okay. Dude, you're at the bar trying to convince girls to come back. Dude, you got to come back to my place. My friend Will rolls the worst joints. It's such a cool skill to have. I know. I never got it.
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Well, it's also, like, if you do, like, a good one, I feel like there's, like, an amount of weed that you would put in it that is, like, I'm not going to smoke all that. So, like, they would be, like, really thin. My tolerance for weed when I was a kid was just, like, not totally there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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And I remember all my buddies were much more into weed than I was. And so they would roll these like ginormous king size joints and then like not get mad at me for like not being able to like help.
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Right. We tend to go to like Ralph's or the gutter. The gutter. Sewer. Yeah. The sewer. You can catch. We're not like ritzy, fancy. We don't go to Erewhon. We go to the food pantry and tell them we need it. And we take stuff out of the food pantry. Yeah. Sorry, Will and I pretend we're homeless and go to the soup kitchen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yeah, that's a great idea. I love that. Well, I was going to say, although I think the one thing is like, I think sometimes in the group you have like the planner and it's like, like, I don't want it. If it's like a trip, like I'm like, Scott, I trust you.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I don't want anything to do with it. I agree I got the best is getting added to a trip group chat like that no one has talked about yet yeah and just being like oh this person's already for example Harper's girlfriend sent out a text with all of the details for a ski trip
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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cash where when when you need to get there when you need to leave how much is gonna like she like did everything and then the people who didn't want to do it just actually i think everyone wanted to do it but you just literally it was like book this flight land here everything it's perfect done are you going is that telluride that is telluride for closing weekend so fun
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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sort of he doesn't every week he gives us a personal finance minute right and today he was talking about high interest rates and i went on the record that i maintained a low interest rate in his speech the whole time get it yeah i get it oh wait i actually like today's i know i just thought that would be clever i actually went up to him after and said hey i maintained a high interest rate through your whole presentation so you're fake uh correct yes i'm a chameleon
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Tanner had a funny question. Yeah, at the end of the whole thing, he goes, so what is stocks? Is that like buying a company?
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He was like, where do we buy it? Do we go to like a company or something?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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We don't go to fucking Erewhon and get a hundred million dollar Danny DeVito smoothie like you do. Yeah, sorry we're not out getting the Kiki Palmer acai bowl. Yeah, or something. We go to the food pantry and tell them we're homeless and take a bunch of food.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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We are not judging. It was just a funny question. I thought so.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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In LA, the streets are so confused. The like parking rules are so confusing. There's like four different signs that are like on this day, it's this time, whatever. I get confused. I get tickets all the time. This is, it's like a sheet thing that locks on all your wheels and covers your car and your license plate and everything. And so they can't identify what car is under there.
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They can't put a boot on it because there's things covering the wheels. They can't even give you... They can't give you a ticket because they don't know who you are. It's like a cloak of invisibility. It's a cloak of invisibility that locks all your wheels. They can't put a ticket. It locks all your wheels? Mm-hmm. Okay.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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so they have to lock all your wheels so they can't put a boot on your car oh i see what you're saying so you are just you're essentially bulletproof you can park anywhere you want to park in front of fire hydrants you can park in handicap spots you can park on the lawn if you want you can park on the fucking sidewalk of a grape you could park on top of a grape you could park yep you could uh you could park park you could park on the beach in the dunes what do you think
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Yes, I love it. All right, great. You know what makes me think? When I was in college, flex, I had a car for one semester, and I figured out. I haven't heard this. When did you have a car? In college? Yeah. I had one semester. My parents let me take the Infiniti, and I had this car. It was my senior year.
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some fall semester and basically like the parking fee for a semester on campus was like thirteen hundred dollars and so i was like i can't afford that so i figured out the tickets that you would get for parking out on the street overnight if they caught you were like fifteen dollars it wasn't you could park there overnight it was like they would start ticketing at like 8 a.m yeah and uh so i was like as long as i only get three tickets a week i'm only gonna spend like five hundred dollars tops
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wait the parking like oh you mean like the sticker to let you park on campus was that expensive yes oh i thought you meant if you get a ticket no no no the sticker to parking campus is 1300 bucks uh and to park right by my apartment on the street it was like if i got a ticket it would be 15 bucks each time so i just i just fucking racked them up and i would just pay him as like there was an app so i just like go out to my car like pay my money and go
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I had a four-year beef with the parking department at our school. The security guys would come around literally multiple times a day. Sorry, multiple times a week would boot my car, leave, because I would park in the teacher parking lot. None of the teachers drove... It was an empty sea of spots. Like, I wasn't taking anyone's spot. None of the teachers drove?
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Like, there was just only, like... It's such a small school. There were, like, at max, like, 20 professors on campus at each time during the day. And so I'd park in it, and, like, 50% of the time, they would come and leave a ticket or boot my car. And so, like... You'd have to call them. They'd come down. It was like clockwork, like multiple times a week.
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The guy would just be like, dude, stop parking here. And I was like, there's nowhere to park on campus. Like there was a parking lot or a parking garage, but it was like 50 extra yards.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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sometimes it was like you just you just i was on your side until the end there i know well i kind of forgot about the market yourself i kind of forgot about the parking garage but it was like one semester you know when you finish all your major requirements so it's like i'm just taking yeah whatever for senior year i was taking a lot of arts classes and the arts department was surrounded surrounded the teacher parking lot it was like you just roll in there
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Hop out, throw the keys. It was easy. It was easy, and then they'd boot my car. We'll put a picture of it right here. And now put a picture of a grape going to college. Put Lauren smiling here. Put Will and I smiling. Put AI Will and I kissing. And send that to us when you make it. I've been getting those ads that are like, ever want to see what it would like to have your crush kiss you? I know.
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Jesus. It's like an AI thing where you can put a picture of you and your crush and it'll make a video of you guys kissing. Ew. I know. I was like, I can't believe how all this works. Creepy. The technology's insane. Do you remember? I did like a hunt. You can do like a hunt. There's no limit to how many you can do before they charge you or anything either.
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do you remember that video saw it might have just been i movie but you could make it look like rockets were like blowing something yes jerry's got it before we hit an app for it we uh we did that to a girl in my spanish class in seventh grade and um I showed it to her being like, look what this is. It wasn't supposed to be malicious or whatever. She was just like the closest person to us.
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Grant. Grantus. What are you doing, man? You want to come chat? Oh, it's like a sitcom entrance. Come sit down. I have a bone to pick with you.
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And our game just ended because he hadn't played back for like a week and a half.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Pull up the scoreboard. I just won because... He's never beaten me. That's not true. Oh, because we found out Will was cheating.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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You were cheating? No, the game... Barry Bonds only got caught cheating once, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it multiple games.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I did it on my computer, and there's a button on your computer that you click, and it tells you how good your word is relative to the possible words that could be played. So you can know if you're playing the best possible word. And then I realized he didn't have that, so I stopped using it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Well, what's your... Buried. No, let's just solve it right now. Say the best word you can think of. Birds vertical on a double letter with the B.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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bodacious and i would get 50 for i would get 50 for using all the letters and it hits a triple word and it touches seven words on the way down can i read any guy yeah can i read you know you're cooked no i just beat you it's our podcast you can't redo yours what are you drinking a cappuccino stupid cappuccino you like that guy is that bear it's kevin king too
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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We're doing our pitches. You want to hear our pitches? Yeah. Okay. You already did yours. All right. What's the worst part about dying? You can't respond. It makes your parents sad. You don't know if there's an afterlife. I hate that you're dying before your parents in this situation. It makes your brother sad. Heaven Tracker. Everyone is wondering why you did it.
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This is an app that you can check, and it's like your credit score, but with God.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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No, I mean, that was kind of it, except it's for God. So it's like, you could be like, am I going to go to heaven? You're like, all right, I'm good. But then, like, if you have a bad day, you could be like, oh, fuck, I might be going to hell now. I mean, GPing kind of is God.
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He said he's doing... Yeah, he's doing Comic-Con. Oh. Whenever that is, like, late June or something.
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He said he, like, was too worried about, like, making his vertical, like, working on his vertical or something. Oh.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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okay i don't know what them yeah like he's vertical no i jump he was i'm just surprised because he doesn't it's not really part of his package yeah i guess they're i guess i don't know it's one of you got to do all the tests even if it's not your strong suit right well he kind of does like the intangibles really blocks tackles yeah stuff like that all right we got now we got the permitting division of the building department wait uh bye you're in yes all right you're in
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Oh, I love this segment. Wait, do you have the thing? It's not the same guy, is it?
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All right. You've heard us say this before, but you need to upgrade your energy to accelerator. It's zero sugar.
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Hit the link in the bio to get it on Amazon. Willie and I love accelerator. This morning, I had one of the peach ones. Look, ready? This is my proof. It's like the blizzard test at Dairy Queen. Yep. This is my proof that I completely housed this thing throughout the episode. And look how good I look right now. Your metabolism is going.
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When we had our first call with Accelerator, they were like, yeah, we think it would be fun to work with you guys because we're on a show. It's not just always for athletes. And I took offense to that. So I want Accelerator to know and for you at home to know that I've been drinking these before my runs. Yep. Because I'm an athlete. So I'm an athlete. We're athletes.
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Which is why we drink Accelerator. That being said, if you're not an athlete, they're also great.
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It's for big like ripped athletes. Like us. Like us.
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We're the spitting image of guys who drink accelerator. And if you want to look like Will... If you want to look like us and have killer athlete bodies... Now you know what to do. Seriously, though, go to Amazon, check it out. We've been raving about it. It's time for you to find out. 100% natural caffeine, 10 calories. You can't get better than that. Let's get back into the episode.
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Thank you. He slept in the facility for like two years. Yeah, hey, been there. Yeah. Do you remember that? Were you here for that, Lauren?
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Teach me something. So Jerry and I are watching the Loyola Marymount St. Mary's basketball game last night. Sam and Joe went last night. Yes, and like Jack and Lawler and Lox. Apparently we had a whole work crew there, but... Ben's brother is on the team. Yeah, that's why we just were like, oh, we'll toss it on. We ended up watching the whole game.
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And at some point they're talking about, because it's out LMU, and they're talking about this guy Hank Gathers. There's like a statue of him outside.
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He, in 1989, he led the NCAA in scoring and rebounding. which he's only the second person to ever do that. That's crazy. Insane. Who's the first? Charles Barkley. I don't know. Shaquille. He's part of the story, though. 1990, Hank Gathers is having a good season. Then he has this heart issue. He collapses on the court, goes to the hospital. They find out he has an irregular heartbeat.
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He's on meds for it. So he's taking these meds, and then he starts playing really poorly when he comes back. and he blames it on the meds. So he's slowly weaning himself off these meds, taking less and less dosage, and he's playing better in tandem with the less meds he's taking, the better he's playing.
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So he's less, less, less, and there were suspicions that maybe he wasn't even taking them all towards the end. One game, in one of the last games he played, he dropped 48-13 on Shaq against LSU, which is insane. That's crazy. And then in the semifinals of the conference tournament, He collapses and dies on the court. Three feet away from him is the Portland College was the team they were playing.
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Their point guard was the closest man to it, Eric Spolstra.
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He's the coach of the Miami Heat. He's like a legendary NBA coach.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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He dropped 48 points on Shaq and then he died a few weeks later and he did it in front of Eric Spolstra? Like, I've never even heard of that part of the story. That's crazy.
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It's just so random. I'm reading this. I'm like, this is already crazy. And then you're like the closest player on the other random team. Was Eric Spolster already the coach when Shaq was on the Heat?
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Stereo, like each guy's coming in from a different... That's nice. How big would the record have to be?
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All the characters on vinyl. All right, but throw a bumble punch on there.
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or whatever and i threw it up like i like sprint outside and threw up off the you actually threw up like projectiled it out because it was so like like you spit it out or you vomited vomited and she she because she didn't know that i thought it was a confusion so she thought like i just hated what she made so much yeah that i threw it up and it was like i had to like really really apologize thank god you read the label last night and puking up a storm
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Hit us. All right. In 1838, Edgar Allan Poe, we're all familiar. I know. He wrote The Raven. Great guy.
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Yes. He published the narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket. Okay. A novel about four shipwrecked sailors who, after running out of food, decide to cannibalize a young cabin boy named Richard Parker. Pretty interesting story, right? A volunteerist tribute. Fast forward to 1884, 46 years later, a real ship called the Mignate, Mignonette, whatever, sank, leaving four survivors stranded at sea.
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Starving and desperate, they ended up killing and eating a young cabin boy to survive. The boy's name? Richard Parker. Whoa. Isn't that insane? That is crazy.
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Yeah, do you think they... Like, who are we going to eat?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Why don't we... That is crazy. There's like a really chubby kid, but he's not named Richard Parker. So it's not going to work. Well, also, because there's a football team from Baltimore years later, and they end up calling themselves the Ravens.
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We have the New England Patriots today versus the Baltimore Richard Parker. And in this story, then they ate a raven to survive. Like if the worlds were swapped.
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All right, Willie, start us off. This is Ian Capone.
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I know Ian Capone. You guys both know Ian Capone? Yeah, dude, we Ian Capone each other all the time. I think Liam is Ian Capone to me more than five times. This might not hit, then.
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Virgo. I don't know what the other part is. Jackass. What is Taurus? Earth? What?
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And we all need a savior to save pop music. So let's give it a shot, Lauren. Move aside, crappledone.
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I lost a bunch of aura this morning. Oh, no. How many aura points?
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He's doing great. The lyrics weren't for me. What does that mean? I'm not paying taxes. If you don't make enough money to pay taxes, you do not have a lot of money.
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Once you make money, then you pay taxes. There's no age where you can make money and not pay taxes.
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Yeah, let's do teed up. These are words that don't exist. Frogresso is the yearning to be a pirate, to be out at sea. I like that. Skeen is the little trash can in the woman's bathroom.
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what's uh what do you call a men's bathroom no like in a in a public bathroom the women's stalls will have them for feminine products oh i see i see bro didn't burn ever clean bathrooms i used to no i've never been in the women's bathroom i used to go i don't hang out what was that yeah i used to bring them out no i would like tie the i was tying the tie i used to have to clean the women's bathrooms at my barbecue place oh and they always had these little trash cans where'd you set up the gopro
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I'll say this. A woman's room always stunk more than the men's room. Always. And it was messier and there was like shit on the floor. The women are worse than men in bathroom. There was a kid in my elementary school or middle school.
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absolutely insane groton groton is the type of wiping where you just like literally no matter how much you wipe there's still a mark of poop on the toilet paper yep i've got mork uh a mork is a fireplace that doesn't use real logs nice uh barundit is the feeling of panic that sets in after you uh take an edible uh triddle it's a verb and it's to rub your palms together menacingly like
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I should be asleep. And I'm watching on Facebook Watch top five impractical Joker's riz moments. Ha ha ha!
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I've got feeg. That's when you write your own name in on the ballot.
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Of course. Well, he... Remember Jeff Probst? Guy can mean girl. Our favorite one of all time, Billy did this guy's rocks. He showed us a guy made out of rocks. Oh, God.
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The slide at the end. All right, should we do nicknames first? Wait, you want to see this picture? What? It was like me 13 years ago today. Oh, yeah. This is me 13 years ago today.
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unironically i'm sitting there like like i was like i'm actually brain dead like i'm i'm like a my whole humanity is gone i'm just a little sitting there realizing what you're doing i was like what am i doing i sent it to scott i was like dude what the what the fuck am i doing he's like go to bed man i was like i'm going to bed Top five riz moments.
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i think i just said you were a little chunkster yeah that uniform you had a little meat on you i had a little meat on the bone yeah never hurt nobody put the picture right here cross-eyed like you're all wow i was wacky dude i was like you were a zany little guy i was uh quite the jokester what do you think you did right after that picture was taken uh on the town on yourself no i didn't even go to town on myself back then i probably made a pizza or something i just really into making pizza back then do you think we would have been friends no
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I'm not really... You want me to say that we would have hung out when you were a senior and I was a freshman? I think you, Angus, would have desperately tried to give you a ride home every day after school and you would have to tell him now.
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And then... Now what that would cost? A million dollars? With hunk?
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One time my cousin Joe got his window got hit by an egg and it was the way his window was. It was just they immediately knew it was his buddy who was like a D2 baseball player pitcher. Yeah, like he's the only person. Because they were like, there's absolutely no way anyone could hit it from because they had to have thrown it from the beach through their yard and up. Yeah. It was a little laser.
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Should we do nicknames for your significant other? Yeah. Might as well just write it out, dude. We're about to be done.
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Yeah. These are new nicknames for your significant other. Dookie. Bunkle.
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The one who breaks the cycle. Belkie. Poopies. Ludiloo. Cheeks. Frondle. It's all mine. You got any?
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We'll talk about it after. We'll talk about it after. Wait, wait, wait. What did she say? It's fine.
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That's like a horrible slur from someone from South America.
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What? I mean, you're on the company Wi-Fi, but if you want to Google it... I did Google it.
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Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch! Frunch!
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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That was like the disease we made up, hypernipolia, where your nipples slowly take over your chest. All right, Angus, whose personality are you going to steal this week?
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We planned that too, and then he forgot about it. I didn't even remember.
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Because we planned it and you were like, I'll prompt her to say a word and then we'll say it's a slur. We were going to just make you think whatever you say is a slur. And then we'll react like it's a slur. And then he prompted you to do one. So I was like, oh, I forgot about that. I was like, oh, here it is. And then he's just like, I'm a grandpa. But it worked out.
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Whose personality am I stealing this weekend? Yeah. I'm going to steal John Wayne's personality because I'm going to a country bar tonight. Nice. Come back to me.
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this weekend oh he's meeting the parents did you meet the parents no way tonight tonight he's meeting the parents we're going to dinner so I'm going to wear a nice sweater wear some Crocs say all the right things and apparently her mom listens to Playdate so that's that is horrific she was like you have to stop she was like what I think it's funny oh that would make me puke no but it was before they started dating before they started dating yeah she's been a detard for years she's a detard for years no
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We'll listen to the ones that we made my girlfriend seem like... We? The stories that we've told about her, they are not representative of her. Why are you saying we? When have I told a story about her?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Joe got Impractical Joker just three now. It just... Yeah, because Joe... And then what was Post Malone doing? Post Malone's on it? Sometimes. He replaced Joe? Sometimes. He was always doing side quests. Wait, what were you going to say about... How did you lose all your aura? Oh, yeah. So I'm biking to work. I like how we're like... Our brains suck. Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Cringe L. Everyone comment Lauren dub Angus L. What? Comment lots of Lauren dub Angus L. So if that happens, it's the last time I'll ever come on the podcast.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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We love you guys. Are there any rules here? We're off the cuff. We're off the rails. We're off the meds. We're off the meds.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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And then once we get out of it, it's like, okay, but... In fact, reality, how many aura did you lose?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
Anytime I'm biking, I bike fast, and I've had my headphones in, so I feel like I'm fucking on top of the world. Sometimes I go no hands just to feel like it's awesome. Like...
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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i'm not really you know going going through a red light like this just being like hit me kevin costner and dances with wolves no red light so i could just whip it it's fucking awesome i can and i go like that and i listen to my music kids over yeah just taking kids out wait will do you ever stand up on like the middle thing what oh you've never done that
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
wait you've never done walking not on a bike no on a bike when you like put your feet on the middle uh metal part you've never done that the middle why would i make that while you're biking how would you do that you're like surfing on the bike kind of no what are you talking about it's just for like a second there's literally wait you're holding on and you just like
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
It was probably four or five days before... The thing is, people would walk in and be like, what the hell? I remember Max one day coming in super early and being like, what the hell are you doing? I was like, oh, I don't know. I got hammered. My excuses had to be like, I got drunk. It was blacked out, man. But the funniest part of it, I remember, is going out on the weekends.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
oh oh that's so i thought you meant your hands were off yeah i thought you were just like absolutely i was like you've never done that anyway so i'm doing that feeling like a million bucks and then i get then i get to the big hill right before our office where i have to gun it and there's this old guy that kind of slows down my momentum so i have to stop and start so i i get halfway up the hill and i'm just i can't make it up i have a single speed bike i can't
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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So I have to get off my bike halfway up the hill, which is already, like, aura points down. Yep. Then right when I get off, I'm like, what the hell? And my backpack's been open the whole time. Aura points down.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yeah. So I'm, like, at the top of the hill. I, like, zip my backpack up. I have it over one strap. And then I realize there's a car right behind me. So I just hop back on the bike with one strap on the backpack. Mm-hmm.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
really unstable because now my weight's all off so like this guy's behind me and now i'm like wobbling and then the backpack falls off hits my headphones on my phone knocks them out in my ears and so then i grab the so now i'm holding my backpack in one hand my headphones are dragging on the ground i'm one hand on the bike trying to pedal and there's still a guy behind me i'm trying to look cool for for some reason like this point just stop and uh and then these like two pretty girls come by and i like hit the curb and uh
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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It was just, I lost all my aura points. Oh my God. So I'm loaded, I guess now.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
And these guys were like, either they all had death wishes or like just didn't realize how dangerous what they were doing was. Like, we're on...
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
uh san vicente which is pretty like busy road and these guys were like using cars to like draft and like re like you know when they get up and the bikes going like side to side because they're like stand like they were flying like trying to pass each other there's one guy's using like my car to draft and like i'm trying to like not hit these guys and it was like what the fuck is happening right now they they
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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would pull up right next to you at like a stoplight and like use your car to like stay clipped in. And it was like, what the fuck is, it was making me furious. Bikers in general, I mean, I'm sympathetic to the bikers as a frequent biker, but when I'm in a car and they're around, I get nervous. Well, these were different. These were skin tight. Yeah, you're right. Pit vipers, giant calves.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yeah, that's not hot. Dude, we... Tan, oiled. Bursting at the seams. Bust, they're all busty. When I was a kid, it was actually hysterical. I finally remembered a fun... Like, I love when I remember a funny story that I haven't told before on the podcast. It's always like, feels good.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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i when we were a kid when we were a kid when we were a kid when all of us were a kid we found out you were a conjoined twin when we well when we were a kid when we were when i was in leicester we were uh there was some bike race they would do every year that must have been fairly competitive because like bikers would come from all over the world and they would have like sponsors and stuff but they would like stay with host families so we would host these bikers every year from like random ass countries and
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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and we had this, like, Argentinian guy, and he brought us a bunch of olive oil, remember? Colavita was, like, the company. Anyway, we had three floors of our house. They were staying on the third floor, and the Argentinian biker that had come from Argentina for this bike race ate shit going down our stairs, and I'm pretty sure he, like, couldn't bike.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Like, I think we, like, ended his career or something.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
and like being at the brig and then like it closing and everyone's like all right we're going home i was like all right i'm heading home and i just walk across the street and go pass out in the office crazy i remember uh you even have a blanket yeah there were some blankets but i also remember like uh talking to a girl at a bar one weekend night i was like i gotta close the deal here because i could use a bed tonight and uh i executed that's kind of messed up
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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We just had to see the same stairs that my dad executed the triple carry on.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
Different set. That was the first. Those were less steep stairs.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
Yeah, no. These were in my bedroom. They were very steep.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
things they mean like the argentinian biker that fell down my stairs yeah how's my lore you have good lore too i just feel like he has such random stories well both of you how's my lore ass you got ass lore no but we don't know all your lore clip that you got ass lore
Will & Rusty's Playdate
crying in the barbershop
Willie, tell me what you love about Triple, man. Where? Where? And I mean this, where do I start? Had a few triples while watching the season premiere of Survivor.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
She's interviewing Babyface, who I didn't know. Oh, I saw this, yeah. I didn't know who that was, but he seemed like a nice guy. And they're in the middle. They ask him a question. He was answering it. The interviewer sees Chapel Roan and yells over the guy who's talking, Chapel, Chapel, come here, and kicks him out of the interview to interview Chapel.
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she broke up with me at hibachi
Yesterday I was posting a reel on the Playdate Instagram.
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she broke up with me at hibachi
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Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
Like you're with real you. He is a little suspicious, or she, for you, Lauren, is a little suspicious that maybe you're like a clone. How would you convince yourself that you're actually you?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
Look up like telepathy tests. Yeah. Click on this top one. This video? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's this one.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
This never happened to you guys? No. Then they would have you play with this.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
And then I was telling my friends about this, like, years ago, and they were like, no, that never happened.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
Because you're not learning shit at that age. So it was like, might as well just teach them it through song. And we'd sit in a circle. My friend John O'Connor would sit in front of me and back up a couple weeks. My friend Garrett and I were in the woods and I just got a new buck knife. And we saw this like deflated kickball.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
And Garrett was like, oh, we have to put pressure on it. And so I put my hand on it to like create pressure. And I just stabbed right through my thumb. And we like ran back to the house. And like my mom was like really upset. And then we somehow fixed it. But like the nail was like split. And I remember Mrs. Derman was singing a song and it kept getting caught on John O'Connor's shirt.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
They bring the girls into one room and the guys into the other.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
Because it was like, I think probably at one point he was like, oh, real funny guys.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
And then it was, like, how to fight my dad. Like, it was clear he was having, like, the full range of, like, puberty emotions.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
My dad's friend's snake would sleep in his footlocker at school. They had old-timey crates that you would bring to school.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
You could play Asteroids or something. There was this place called Suds Pub in Maine that we used to go to. Best chicken tenders and honey mustard you ever had in your life. When someone wasn't playing it, there was a loading screen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
on the thing and it would be like random like old timey images and there was one time there was a naked woman on it but they were only on for like three seconds and like I'd probably gone to this place a hundred times and never saw the same image twice yeah so like when it was gone like no one believed me it was done yeah but I was like there was she was just there and uh yeah I remember I was at a track meet one time
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
like the most silent room you could ever hear, but if you play it loud enough, then your room is just deadly silent, and it doesn't have any of the crackles, so you get the effect of white noise when you're trying to go to sleep, but you don't have to hear scary like... I don't think that's possible, because if there's no noise coming out of it, then you would hear anything.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
Him and his friend Steve were walking down the street and there were two women eating on a patio. And so they hopped the fence and they sat down next to them. And my dad was talking to the blonde one and Steve was talking to the dark hair one. And then halfway through they realized that they both were not really vibing with the other person.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
sham the horse so you know secretariat obviously yes so secretariat ran the fastest time ever at the Kentucky Derby and won right okay yeah pretty impressive stuff yep do you know what the second fastest time is at the Kentucky Derby
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
And in the race that Sham came in second. Yeah. He would have won, that horse would have won any other Kentucky Derby, but it just happened to be in the time or in the race that Secretariat ran the fastest ever.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
He was full-blown in his pants. Sometimes I feel like they don't understand the gravity of the situation. Agreed. If there is one running faster, it gives them context.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
Okay. And just listen. I think it's like Papa, like Papua New Guinea. Yeah. But listen to the song.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
You have to prove me wrong. Maybe I'm mistaken. I don't even know if I've had it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
Yeah, we get to go to cruise. And I was basically saying like, I don't want you to kill this deal because he thinks it would be a waste of time. And then he was like... To our boss. Yeah, and our boss was like... If you guys really needed to... He's like, I would make you guys use PTO or whatever if it came down to it. And Will was like, oh, we have unlimited PTO that works out anyways.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
she broke up with me at hibachi
And he was like, yeah, only if I approve it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
that made it seem like you had noticed it before you noticed it you can see it oh that's what that is I just mean like if I just saw it right now it's on your eyelids I have it on my hands like I always get it like do you have a cream you rub on yeah me too which one like just a cortisone is that prescribed that's like an itchy no it's not prescribed but I go to the derma when I get home don't people get like shots of that
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
Or just sit down, and then when they arrive, you can stand. No, but he yanked it over. Willie, that is your seat. I know. I'm going to go back and tell him.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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You guys, episode 66. Episode 66, Mario Lemieux. Mario who?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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The oldest woman in the world died recently. Did you guys see that?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Oh, you guys can't cut? No, Lauren doesn't know how. Yeah, I don't know how.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Do you guys want to get into the roadmap?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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50 minutes. Oh, perfect. Roadmap time. All right.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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It's kind of the joke of it. It started in the beginning, and then they just started yapping.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
Wait, I don't even... What were you talking about?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
Yeah, this is for you. All righty, let's get into pictures. Mine are all about one race.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Okay, pitches. Pitches from the Playmates. First one. First one is from Isaac. Isaac Anslinger. He says, Howdy, Lauren and the Desperados. Today I have a pitch that is going to knock your socks off. That's good. Do you ever skip wearing an item because it's slightly wrinkled, has a faint smell?
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Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
I'm still not convinced that you didn't make that page.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
Cause like, why did you, why did you bring that up? No offense.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
There's like slashes and like apostrophes. I can type. Sometimes I'm just far away from the keyboard.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
Okay, this one is from Caitlin, but this is also, you know, on the live yesterday, John Pornk. Yeah. This is John Pornk. We made it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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It is a girl, I think. She can shut that stuff down.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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John Prunk slash Caitlin says, Hello, Lauren and Little Fellas. I have brought you possibly the most million dollar idea you've ever heard. Beaver German passed an abandoned movie theater and went, wow, that's depressing. Wait, what? I don't know what that means.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Well, piggybacking off of that, I feel like there should be more bars just with slides and games in general.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
No, yeah, Will. Sometimes you hype me up and I appreciate it, but I'm not always fully listening to them. Either. She's putting on a performance.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
I would only buy it if it was like $1 because you could just turn off your phone.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
It doesn't matter. You have to put, like, a patent on it. Wait, say trademark.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
All right, should we do... Well, do you have a pitch? Oh, I guess you already did your... Campbell Cricket. Yeah, that's true.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I thought training... Okay, yeah, we have another one of our producers, Andrew. He's just because he's... Can they see him even? You can come in the... You want to come in the frame? You want to come in the frame?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Oh, wow. All right, you guys all owe me lunch.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
Okay, wait. For our audio listeners, can you describe what we're seeing?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I wonder how they all found each other. We should come up with it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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this wasn't on my bingo card crying on the sometimes we do get you said something really cute and inspirational last week oh yeah about just like will it make me feel better nope okay All right, let's see my guy that rocks. This one? Yep. Okay.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
No, I sent this to Liam. Oh, he took it from you. I sent this to Liam. They pulled this up on yesterday or last week.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
But there's no way they actually act like this when the camera's off.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
discovering a NEW bug w/ will angus
Sorry, sorry. Some remote line. And I'm fucking impressed. I'm inspired. What? What the hell? Some remote flying.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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okay am i the asshole for wanting a ring for context my husband and i are approaching our 10 year anniversary and i never had a proper proposal wedding nothing i have a gold band that we picked out after deciding we wanted to get married at the time it wasn't in the cards for us to have a wedding and we wanted to purchase a house so i said a ring wasn't as important at the time hoping that he would surprise me in the future
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Well, here we are approaching our 10th year of marriage, and he's considering spending thousands on electric bikes for the family. But I can't help but feel frustrated that he doesn't understand the principle of investing in a ring. When I voiced my concern, I was told I'm ungrateful. Yet I argue that my gratitude is what kept us married the last decade.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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I don't know if she would show him. I feel like it would just validate her feelings for being upset, which I would be upset in this situation.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alrighty. Next, next one. Would I be the asshole if I refused to give my friend my copy or give my friend a copy of my thesis? My friend and I just finished a master's degree in law and over the summer we had to write a thesis. Anyway, he was, he was supposed to, but he deferred it to November slash December.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Basically now he called me to ask a few weeks ago if he could see my thesis and
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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now that i have my results back to understand the structure i told him that we were doing completely different topics and questions so it doesn't apply he doesn't seem to get that get that and texted me again yesterday if he can see it i feel like i shouldn't give it especially when i asked him for a favor last month and he said he'd do it and then didn't and also i'm worried what plagiarism issues could arise with him having my whole dissertation so would i be the asshole if i refused to give it to him i'm just worried that he would change topics last minute to the same as mine and then the submission software catches us both for plagiarism
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Whoa. Whoa. You guys go first. All right.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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rock rock rock oh no you already told us the sad guy pick a specific guy it will be willie d's personality fucking girl lauren i'm gonna steal maybe like a christmas elf's personality because christmas is like a few weeks away now which is crazy we're already almost in december which christmas elf dasher dancer printer No, not any specific one. I should put up my Christmas tree soon.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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You have one? Just like a fake one. Small Christmas tree.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
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Baby, sehe ich, als würde ich schwerer werden? Nein, Baby. Ich denke, die Gravitie wird einfach stärker werden.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
kebab fever destroyed my relationship
No, baby. I think the gravity's just getting stronger.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
No, I'm not mad. You look pissed. I'm pissed. I'm not mad. Vocally, I'm going to say I'm not mad. Internally, like I said, sick to my stomach.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Er sagt, es ist eine Nutsche. Du musst nur so eine breite Variante von gebratenen Geräten kaufen. Und wenn das alles deiner ist, bist du so, ich weiß, ich weiß, es gibt Vodka in einem von diesen. Du isst nicht, das sind Kinderkuchen. Mein Frühstück!
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
On a Wednesday having that much crazy fun.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Wie viele Drafts hast du im Allgemeinen in deinem TikTok?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich habe nie etwas so heiß gegessen. Aber ich höre nach heißen Sachen, das ist der Ende deines Tages.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Du bildest eine Toleranz und dann musst du gehen und dann musst du eigentlich ein R&D machen und hotter und hotter Dinge finden, um dich an dieser Ebene zu halten. Ich bin wie ein Crackhead für hotter Chips. Du erinnerst dich an Club Penguin, wo du Pizzas machen musst und dann gibt es eine Hot Sauce und du schmierst eine Bottle Feuer drauf.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Also, where did the kiss happen?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich war zu spät, um meine Drafts zu machen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Leant across the pool person to her.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Sayonara. Willy schrie, damit du die Wasser nicht hörst. Er wollte nur schreien und schreien.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ja, ich dachte, du hast eine ganze Kategorie und du hast alle Fragen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Es muss eine evene Distribution sein, sonst fühlst du dich klein. Ja, klein.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
In den Drafts auf der TikTok-Szene, habt ihr jemals große Queues?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
You're killing it. On retreat. It was like weirdly not surprising that you were so good at Jeopardy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ja, das war komisch für mich. Ich glaubte, dass ich alles über dich wusste.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Aber das ist die Magie, das ist die liberierende Magie von dem, dass du dich nicht interessierst, wenn es hochgeht und du keine Beweise hast, dass es immer funktioniert, wenn ich es poste.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Also ist es so, dass sie zu ihren Krediten, wie sie es gemacht hat, was sie gemacht hat, was sie gemacht hat, was sie gemacht hat, was sie gemacht hat, was sie gemacht hat, was sie gemacht hat.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I know. For that to be the concern after was like, I couldn't believe that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Die erste Halbzeit, die ich die erste Halbzeit am Abend gesehen habe, habe ich ein bisschen NyQuil genommen, weil ich ein bisschen krank war. Und dann wurde ich so müde, dass ich aufs Bett gehen musste. Also habe ich die zweite Halbzeit nicht gesehen. Und die erste Halbzeit, die ich gesehen habe, ist wie einer dieser Filme, wo du sie siehst und du denkst, du kennst den Eindruck.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Und es war wirklich nur ein Dokumentarfilm an diesem Punkt über eine Model von OnlyFans, die darüber spricht, dass sie mit 100 Leuten schlafen muss. Sie geht durch ihr Leben als eine Model von OnlyFans. Sie sagten, dass es wild war, aber nicht schlecht. Und am nächsten Tag haben sie das Dokumentarfilm fertiggestellt. Ich habe es am Abend fertiggestellt.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Und von der ersten Hälfte bis zum Ende war ich physisch nicht zufrieden mit dem, was ich gesehen habe.
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Das wäre eigentlich ein hysterisches Spiel. Ihr seid nach dem Lachen.
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Und dann... Warum haben sie Schuhe? Sie begann mit dem Kopf. Ja.
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Fast sicher. Statistisch gesagt, ich meine...
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Ja. Das ist recht. Wenn du fliegst, wenn du auf dem Flugzeug bist, um das zu tun.
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Das könnte mega viral gehen.
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Nein. Nein? Wir sind so aufgeregt. Das ist mein Job. Ja. Das ist das, was ich für Arbeit machen kann. Würdet ihr euch einen Anruf für die Playmates in der Gegend geben?
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Wenn ihr das am Sonntagabend macht und Freunde mit Leuten in der Gegend kombiniert, oder ihr könnt es einfach mit allen Leuten in der Gegend machen.
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You want the stakes to be low. Because I think part of why Lily got so sad is like, guys were paying like $800 to fly.
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And have sex. And then it's five minutes. And if they're not happy, it's just like, well, I came all this way.
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How much did she make? I don't know. She saw her apartment, she's doing alright. Yeah, she's doing well.
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When I popped on Willie D's live stream the other day, I was, he knows this, I was in there and one of the commenters came into frame, not like logged in online.
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Yeah, when I came into frame and I was like sitting in that thing and I don't think my mic was working at this point, but one of the commenters just typed in Bushka, which is what my mother called me when I was like four or five years old. And I was like, well, excuse me, who the fuck are you? Bushka? Bushka. B-U-S-H-K-A.
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They know everything. Now everyone knows that. But call me that. And I was like, who are you? And then like, eventually I figured out that my cousin John was in there. Like he logged in. And I was like, oh, thank God. And he said like something about his mom. His name is ******. Ich hatte einen Text von Willi und er hat gesagt, ich muss raus. Es wurde wirklich dunkel.
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An einem Punkt hat einer der Kommentare gesagt, ich werde dir einen Quiver machen. Und das war seine Mutter und ich dachte, oh ja.
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Erzähl Willi über das Video, das du mir gestern gezeigt hast. Dein Cousin und sie argumentieren.
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Max, it'll take an hour.
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Ready? Listen to this. I'm gonna need you to take a drug test. Yes.
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It's going on for like an hour.
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We yap for 30 minutes.
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I thought it was like an animation and a person put their mouth on it.
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Und diese Frau, die in ihren 40ern oder 50ern ist, ist wie ein Familienfreund. Warte, sorry, ich habe das letzte Mal gesagt.
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Oh, that one's stinky.
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Then you can go check if everything's okay.
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Oh, but yeah, do you want to go now? No, no, finish your story.
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This woman is like in her 40s or 50s, like a family friend. And she's like walking next to me with holding my girlfriend's shoulders. And she looks at me and it's really loud in there. And what I hear is, do you have any idea how ugly you are?
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Was? Und ich musste da sitzen für fünf Sekunden. Ich war so, das ist das Schlimmste, was jemand mir jemals gesagt hat. Zu meinem Gesicht. Und dann habe ich gemerkt, oh, wie glücklich ich bin. Warte, ich verstehe das nicht. Sie hat gesagt, hast du any idea how lucky you are? Und es war so laut, ich habe gehört, hast du any idea how ugly you are?
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Und ich musste da sitzen. Ich war so, sicher ist das nicht, was sie gesagt hat. Ich weiß nicht, diese Frau, sie sieht zu nett aus für das.
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First thing, texting us. Podcast has to come back. I think he's got to go home and change. When was the last time you pooped yourself, Bill? Long, long time ago. Ich glaube, ich weiß, wann deiner war. Warte, hast du? Vielleicht nicht, aber der erste Sommer hier raus. Oh.
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900 views. I like the idea that you're both on FaceTime talking to each other and for the last 60 seconds, Rusty hasn't been listening. You're telling a story, but you're going, and it was, so like, I was, like nobody's paying attention, you're both posting.
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Ich hatte zu viele hartes Kombucha.
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Wir haben das auf dem Boden gewonnen. Jeder weiß, wenn wir Panties verpuffen haben.
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Das fühlt sich fair an.
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Du kannst das da verlassen, wo du deine Kleidung holst. Und dann nehmen sie ihre Kleidung und holen sie deine Kleidung.
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Ja, aber ich bin in meiner eigenen Pistole. Sie hat keine Ahnung, wie schlecht das Szenario war. Sie ist so, oh, ein süßes, süßes Hangover. Es war sehr süß.
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Ja. Besonders, wenn du sie nicht so gut kennst.
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Wenn du auf deinem Rücken bist und die Knochen auf deinem Hintern sind. Du bist tot oder du bist weg. Oder, ehrlich gesagt, etwas Schlimmeres. Ich weiß es nicht. Warum haben wir das?
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Deine Geschichte erinnert mich an eine von vor einiger Zeit. Ich behalte es, ich behalte es für die Menschen, die dabei sind. Aber ich war auf einer, wie eine Frühabend-Tour und es war mit einem Haufen unterschiedlicher Schulen und ich, wie einer der Stopps, wir waren auf diesem Hostel und ich war in einem Raum mit diesen Kindern aus einer anderen Schule. Ja.
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Es waren vier von uns und einer von ihnen hat sich durch die Tour bekannt gemacht, wie dieser Kind trank wird, er schluckt das Bett. Das ist, was passiert. Oh, was für eine schlechte Reputation. Ich weiß. Aber ich war so, was auch immer. No big deal. It's like two bunk beds in the room we were staying in and I stayed out kind of late that night and they had all gone back earlier.
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Er kann uns nicht ein View auf YouTube geben, aber er will nicht wissen, wie viel er sich um den Pod kümmert, also schaut er uns aus dem Fenster.
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And I get back to our room and I'm like walking around trying to like figure out which bed is, which bed is taken and like which one is open for me. So like I go to the one on the left and like get on the bottom and I like.
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Ja, dieses Mal wussten wir alle einander, also ist es so, dass du das Bett abnimmst und zurückkommst und alles, was von mir übrig geblieben ist, ist offen. Und ich habe mich daran gefühlt, und ich fühle ihn, und ich fühle nicht den Jungen, der sich normalerweise mit ihm befasst, sondern einen anderen. Ich fühle es, oh, da ist das Bett, das Kind hat das Bett gefühlt.
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Also ich war so, okay, da ist ein Typ da, der hat gefühlt, kein Problem. Und dann schaue ich auf den Top-Bunker, und da ist ein Kind da oben, und er fängt an, sich umzudrücken. Und ich dachte, oh, nicht da oben. Und er kommt runter. Und ich dachte, Alter, so und so ist hier verdammt. Und er antwortet nicht. Und er kommt runter aus dem Bett und kommt auf den Boden.
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Und dann dachte ich, Alter, Alter. Und dann fängt er einfach an, auf den Boden zu schlafen. Er schläft seinen Dick aus und schläft auf den Boden. Ich dachte, okay, hell yeah. In welchem Land ist das? Das ist in Australien.
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Maybe, I don't know, but then I go to the other side.
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And I look onto the other side of the two bunk beds and I look on the top and the guy that usually pisses himself is on the top bunk and I'm like, wow, stellar. He's the only guy in here who hasn't pissed himself. And I go to get in the bottom bunk and I just feel a drip in my
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Alle drei von ihnen haben sich am Abend verletzt. Und ich wurde von der Drip getroffen.
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Ich bin zurückgekommen, spät am Abend. Weil ich eine Frau getroffen habe, die wir am Abend getroffen haben. Und wir haben uns verbunden. Und ich bin zurückgekommen und habe gesagt, ich will nicht den falschen Text hier senden. Ich weiß, wir haben uns heute Abend getroffen. Kann ich bitte hierbleiben? Ich weiß nicht, woanders er schläft. Und sie war so, nein.
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So I just started banging on doors until someone let me sleep on their floor.
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I mean, there's many spells you can cast.
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Oh, das wird gut sein. Ich werde ihn aus dem Sand werfen. Dein Körper. Du weißt nicht, was für ein kranker late-night-peer du sein wirst. Und das erste Mal, wenn du das tust, ist es so, dass ich in den Xbox peinle. Es ist wie, oh, fuck, ich habe keine Kontrolle. Wenn ich peinle, mache ich es in einen Xbox. Ich werde eine Konsole finden, eine Gaming-Konsole.
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Ich verspreche dir, es ist schlimmer, als wenn du angefangen hättest.
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What are you staying at the Ritz? What are you staying at the Ritz, Richo?
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What's your name, Rich Money?
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Look at that Ritz Cracker. That's the whitest man I've ever seen.
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That's insane. And it would be live feed, basically? No, it was like the week before they were playing.
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Sie haben ihn bekommen, den Job. Es ist tot. Und es gibt keine rückwärmige Mobilität. Und sie sind so, du wirst es nehmen, Arschloch. Nimm den Job. Du musst. Du wirst Solarpanel verkaufen, bis du tot bist.
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Das sind Männer, die von der Gesetzgebung gebunden sind. Sie wollen es brechen, aber sie können es nicht.
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Ich dachte, er würde das Milch in die Fahrt werfen oder so. Und das wäre genug. Ich denke, das ist viel schlimmer. Ich denke, das Dumpfen des Milchs wäre egal. Wir sind alle square, Bruder. Wir können das Auto nie wieder fahren.
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Oh, das war so, dass sie es nicht mehr lösen konnten?
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Happy New Year. This is going to be a big one.
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Everyone is talking about it without you.
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Ah, eine Teen Mom. Verstehst du, 16 und krank? Ja, ich entschuldige eine Mutter, die jünger war als ich.
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Now that I know he's in Japan, I'm way more convinced this could become a reality.
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I don't think you have to, I think it's just a car wash. Es ist nur eine Wäsche. Die einzige Sache ist, okay, das wird viel Raum nehmen und deine Schuhe sind immer installiert. Oder musst du es... Oder musst du es... Ich denke, es kommt aus der Wand wie ein Murphy-Bett. Wenn das der Fall ist, ist das großartig.
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Weil wenn es in die Wand kollapsiert und aus deinem Weg kommt, und du musst es nicht aufsetzen, bevor du jede Nacht rauskommst und denkst, ich habe eigentlich einen großen heute Abend. Ich denke, ich brauche das. Weil dann wirst du es. Du wirst diese Leistung aktualisieren. Ja.
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Und auch jemanden zu haben, der dich in das Ding bringen will.
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We haven't got the technology yet to keep him in there. It's got to go through the skin.
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I worry about the spatial requirements here of a pulley system. It can get you to the toilet, to the bathroom, blow dry you, and then to your bed.
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I'm going to need you to get this. I'm not going to help.
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Like Randy? It's a no from me, dog. It's gonna be a no from me, dog.
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I love that. So it would be a deal between like a Bounty type, not Bounty, but like a laundry dryer sheet thing and a perfume company. That's kind of sick. Fantastic.
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Ja, ich habe es einmal gekauft und ich habe es benutzt, um meine Kleidung zu waschen und es hat mich tatsächlich krass gemacht. Ja, es hat mein ganzes Zimmer ständig wie es riecht. Und ich bin durch mehrere Löhne gegangen. Ich habe mich zurückgezogen zu einem normalen. Ich bin durch mehrere Löhne gegangen und es hat so lange gedauert, um mein Leben wieder normal zu machen.
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Das ist interessant. Und der fröhliche Geruch ist schön, aber wenn es dein ganzes Leben entfaltet, ist es einfach... Ja, das ist wahr. Sie hat eine Shirt für mich gekauft und sie hat sie zurückgegeben. Und mein Kloset riecht wie sie es für vier Monate riecht. She didn't even wash it. She just wore it.
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Sie hat mich verletzt. Und dann wird es dich schlagen.
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Vielleicht ist es deine Schwester.
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Yeah, because you think it's like, if you can't recognize her, you're like, it's surely not my family. You just immediately rule them out. Exactly.
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Nein, ich bin kein Clown-Guy. Ich habe einen, den ich ein bisschen träge. Mein Vater trägt ihn, aber er ist sehr subtil und ich mag ihn. Er hat es für mich als Junge gekauft. Aber auch meine Eltern haben sich verabredet, als ich zehn Jahre alt war. Und er hat es für mich gekauft, als ich 20 Jahre alt war. Und ich habe es einen Tag geworfen und meine Mutter und ich sind zu Abend gegangen.
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Und sie ist so, was ist das für ein Geruch? Und sie wusste es nicht, aber es hat sie sofort getroffen. Sie ist so, ich weiß nicht, es ist etwas falsch hier. Oh.
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Oh ja, wenn du jemanden riechst, der einen Ex riecht, ist das eine sehr seltsame Erfahrung.
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Marissa! Es bringt dich zurück.
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I thought it was your brain. Holy fuck, you just got willy-deed.
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He just deed all over you.
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And it just 3D prints it almost?
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Ich wusste es nicht. Das Timing ist impeccabel. Guck mal, Chomps-Technologie.
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Sie wurden von Storm über die Bücher geholt, nachdem sie hierher kamen. Das ist der Grund, warum sie ein gutes Produkt haben. Man muss es nur für den Marketing bezahlen.
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That's crazy. Is that an actual saying? I've heard it before.
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Wo waren wir, Liam, am anderen Tag, als wir am Retreat waren? Er sagte, du warst nah dran an der Idee, aber du warst nicht ganz da. Er sagte, du warst wirklich in der Drain-Szene. Und wir haben nicht entschieden, ob das ein Satz ist oder nicht. Es ist ein Satz, aber ich denke, es bedeutet etwas anderes.
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Aber ich mag es in dem Kontext, in dem er es gesagt hat.
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Du paint in the corners. Oh, ja, ja, ja. Okay.
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Of the strike zone, yeah. Pitch me, Bill. I'm in on the beef stick. It's just actually painting in the corner. Oh my God.
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Okay. What do I start with?
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Yeah, that's my dad. What's some of the biggest, most lucrative content on YouTube?
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It's pretty impressive. We figured out how, how to work out considering like you went in no information whatsoever. And that was like your intuition. Like, I think that was, I think that was something. And how we got from there to like hour and a half, like 90, 90 minute workouts where you're doing five sets to 10 and then like six of eight. It's,
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Kids Content. Kids Content. Because they sit there and they just watch the same videos over and over again and their preferences don't change. I got even better. YouTube channel for dogs. Figure out what dogs like. Owners throw it on while they're gone all day because they just seem to like the video.
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Denk an die Ad-Revenue von jedem Hund in Amerika, der deinen Kanal acht Stunden am Tag, fünf Tage am Wochenende schaut.
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Du machst nur ein Video. Sie interessieren sich nicht.
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Was ist eine Ad? Die Ad-Revenue? Es gibt nur eine Ad.
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Ich meine, das ist wahrscheinlich wirklich klug. Was mögen Hunde? Das müssen wir herausfinden. Ist das nicht so, dass es Hunde gibt, die TV sehen?
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Andere Hunde, Hunde. Es ist wie ein Wein-Edit für Hunde. Sie werden stimuliert und sie können untertäuscht werden.
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On January 6th did someone actually take a shit on Pelosi's desk. I can't read all the bottom ones, they're too small.
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You keep storming room to room and you keep finding the same guy taking different shits all over the capital.
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Poop on Pelosi's dead.
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The green speeds. Too fast. Not realistic.
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I didn't make it up. I'd like a cherry bomb.
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I really like that. I think I like that. I'm learning a lot just by the pitch alone about the existence of these places.
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Ich mag große... Das ist cool. Es muss ein bisschen... Es ist schrecklich. Du kriegst einen Kode oder so, weil wenn er dich warten wird, muss er in ein kleines Ding sein, das andere nicht kriegen können. Es ist wie ein Zimmer. Oh, es ist wie ein Locker, wie ein Amazon... Amazon-Locker ist überall. Es ist wie ein Amazon-Locker, ja.
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I got more. I was cooking last night. Trader Joe's fridge. A lot of frozen food at Trader Joe's. Everyone loves it. That's why people go there. For the people that mainly shop there, sell them a fridge that flips the freezer in fridge sizes. Love it.
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Fridge section is now a freezer for all your frozen food. Little freezer section is now a fridge for like the five things that you need from the fridge from Trader Joe's.
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So you just flip the sizes.
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And then one last one. Bananas for boys. They look like vaginas or beef jerky or something manly. See, that's a girl banana.
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Wie eine wirklich dünne.
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Bitten in etwas so dünnes, das eine Banane ist, wäre sehr seltsam. Es muss dick sein.
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Es ist rechargierbar. Rechargierbare Bananen.
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Das ist wahr. Du setzt die Banane in den Boden. Weißt du, wenn du den Topf eines Pfeifers aufschneidest und ihn in den Boden setzt, dann wächst ein Pfeiferschwein? Really?
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Still teaching when he died. That's not true.
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What? No, this is the Albert Einstein.
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I swear to God. It was one of those like,
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That's what I was hoping that you guys would latch on to.
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That was our teach me something. We've taught you nothing.
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Sorry, stupid question.
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It's a tough scene. Why are they referees?
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Come on, I didn't catch that part.
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He deserves love. And he'd find it so quickly.
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Ich mache kein Video darüber. Das ist die Unterschiede zwischen uns und einem Mann, der so stark rockt. Was ist sein Name?
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It is such a manly sport of just slamming one man into the ground, but they dress so, so skimpy.
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Ich bin interessiert, wie viel Rock, Entschuldigung, wie viel Dracula-Kontent da ist, um ihn zu konsumieren. Es sieht aus, als hätte er nur eine Version.
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Er mag Monster, vielleicht auf der linken Seite.
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Ich hoffe, dieser Kerl lebt eine sehr lange und prognostizierte Leidenschaft.
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Ich weiß nicht, ob es Dracula ist, aber es ist Dracula, Jason. Nosferatu ist wie ein Klassiker, der über einen Vampir remade ist.
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Ich habe ein This Guy Rocks. Ich habe ein This Guy Rocks.
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So yeah, I thought it was This Guy's Rocks and I was very confused by your submissions, but now I get it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I saw this a couple weeks ago and it cracked me up.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich dachte mir, keine dieser Leute sind Rocks.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I'm sure he's like a couple years old. I'm curious if he's out of college. Oh, he's also 22. So they're both seniors.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Yeah, it sounds like, I'm assuming he has a job. So maybe like a year out of college and he's paying for most things. Her parents are still paying for it, which is like not unheard of. Like your parents are covering your expenses while you're in college. Um, It is weird to hold that over her head in the context of raffle winnings.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
If you're good to pay for 80% of things, who cares if you give her the 250? Yeah. Because it does seem like you kind of did together. She picked the squares. If you just pick the squares, put $30 on it, and she asked for the 250, it's like, okay, that's weird.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
But if you kind of make it a collective thing, like, oh, let's figure out where to put this, you're kind of gambling on it together with $30. Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ja. Ich glaube, das ist ein guter, dann könnte sie sagen, okay, toll. Statt einfach 250 zu zahlen und beide zu spenden. Ja. Ich glaube, das ist, was da gemacht werden sollte.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Yeah, yeah. Put it on a coin and now you have $10,000.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
And there's your engagement.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
He's gonna pump and dump.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Trying to crank a coin? I lost a lot of money on Rhythmus Eve.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
You cannot afford. Yes, it is. Anything over zero is too much to lose on Rhythmus Eve. Anything over zero.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Why don't you just put some money in the S&P or something? No, I don't know. This is way more fun.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Like for her to continue to bring it up and be like... And like ask for shoes and clothes. He's already paying for a lot of stuff.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
That's such a bummer. Weird.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
That's weird for the first picture.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Tell him to do white noise. I was going to say, you should put him on white noise. It's like nature. That's not cheating.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Would that be worse? I don't know.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Lord Fartquad, mehr so. Ich kann sehen, wie weit sie geht.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Es ist nicht verletzt, aber es ist ein bisschen seltsam.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich denke, sie ist inszeniert.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich denke nicht, dass dieser Typ... Ich würde sagen, Mama, relax. Es hilft ihm zu schlafen. Sie spricht nur über... Ich weiß nicht, was die Themen sind, aber es ist kein Lügen. Es ist das weiteste Ding von Lügen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
To the person you're supposed to be with. Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Hey, I'm a passenger. I'll do either.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I liked it. This one's been on there since the 90s. I think in my year I would love to get slimed.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Did you get bump and ground on?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I'd like to be bump and ground on. By Rusty.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
A lot more bumping than grinding.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I want to bring back prepared jokes. I want a few scripted jokes in my back pocket for long conversations or a doctor's office.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Oh, he's been doing a lot of that.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
That's good. It'll bring the vibes up. Mellow me out a little bit. Mellow you out, bring the vibes up. I am done learning. Think I got it all figured out? I can take it from here.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I would like to learn how to hum like an old-timey guy. Like a... Ooh, like you're on the railroad? Or you're digging a hole?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I think that if you're doing that, that's a smart thing to work out in the new year. I think people deserve closure. I'm going to start calling everyone in my family by their last name. Nice. Langdon. Okay. Yeah, that could be very confusing.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I'd love to be there. I love it. No, I don't want to overstep. Yeah, that'd be weird if you were there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Je nachdem, ob es eine langfristige Ex ist. Ja. Ja, wahrscheinlich seltsam.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Er will, dass sie alle da sind.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Er will, dass ich es in ihren Füßen rüttel.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Was ist mit einem ganzen Geburtstag nur für Exen?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I'm gonna take acid and look in the mirror till I hate parts of myself I didn't even know were there.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Dude, not enough. You could double that easily.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
If I put some work in, no doubt. I'd like to stop worrying about loving and entertaining myself and expect others to provide me with momentary emotional fixes.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I swipe up and do the heart.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I find it strange that they start the conversation for you.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
He's got a fucking dumper, dude. I knew a guy with a dumper. I'm... I think it's time to look at my penis. I'm scared. I'm scared it's gonna be too small and I've been... I'm worried it's gonna be too small and I'm too scared to check. I think you should check.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich glaube nicht, dass ich das gesehen habe. Jetzt habe ich tausende gesehen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Okay. Ich habe noch zwei.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ja, ich komme immer überbereitet. Ich will jeden Teil von mir verändern, bis es nichts mehr von dem alten ich gibt. Ich will philosophisch Billy Langdon ausüben. Im neuen Jahr. Und, äh, um Dinge auszunutzen. Ich will eine Fortune erzählen, um meine Hände zurück auf die Tafel zu stellen, meine Geld zurückzutun und mich zu verlassen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Oh, I like that. They regret it. We're doing really well without them. I want to get the ball rolling. Something simple. We all know it's going to happen. It happens every year. New bug's going to drop.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
New bug's going to drop and I can't wait for what it is.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Hit it with a curveball. You don't want to be too easy. The Rizzler will pass David Attenborough in age by the end of the year. That's good. I think they're going to they're going to they're going to
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Warum nur ein großer Koffer? Wir sind moderne Menschen. Ja, genau.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Was? Krumpeln? Oh, ja. Ja. Bringt es zurück. Es sind alles NPCs, die in der Klub-Szene krumpeln. Ich denke, die ganze Erde wird zusammenbanden und Jujushi-Wa, sie ist unsichtbar, wirklich überzeugen. I can see that. I think Big AJ is going to get assassinated.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Either that or my prediction, AJ and Big Justice are going to get sucked back into whatever board game they came out of.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
And they're gonna pay for it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Bun's gonna be bigger? The devil bails the boy. Alright.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
No, no, no. I did a back-to-backer with you there. Okay. We're gonna discover that fish have been holding their breath this whole time.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
It's right for the taking with the rechargeable ones?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Dude, that's gonna be the next Ayahuasca. That's gonna make you trip so hard. You don't know who you are.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
They're ripe for the bounce back. I think an alien parasite is gonna leap out of Hawk Tua's chest and into the president's mouth. Yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I know. It's a boring one.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ja, leider nicht. Das braucht sie noch ein paar mehr Jahre. Ja, sie wird ihre Relevanz verlieren.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
You go first. Elon Musk will admit he's just an 11-year-old boy who freaky fried it into the body five years ago.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Tony Phil is going to get shot. Amazon will purchase the ground you stand on and deliver it back to you at no cost the same day.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I think that's a fair one. I'll round it off. Mr. Beast will harness the full power of the sun in a single chocolate bar.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ist das das erste Mal, dass du dich in die Geschichte eingeladen hast? Er könnte es aufnehmen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Das ist so lustig, dass das deine Kollektion ist, die dein Kopf explodiert.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I think the Rizzler will be proposed with the option to have sex this year.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Yeah, he's eight. And I wish it weren't true, but I'm confident that if he opens DMs, he is the best.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
No, that's like the Logan Paul freak lookalike.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
That was going to be my pick. I guess I'll take Post Malone. I guess I'll take Post Malone. I was going to do Elisa's dad.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ja, die sind neu. Die sind neu. Neue Form.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Es gibt nichts lustiges, wenn du Skotis kommentierst.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Don't even think about it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich konnte es mir nur vorstellen. Und auch, auch wenn du die Bildung hast, würde es blöd sein und du musst tappen, um zu sehen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Plug talk. You guys know where to find me. Billy.com. And if you don't, eventually you will. I got nothing to plug.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Ich muss ihn töten, bevor er mich tötet. Ich denke, der Wunsch, am Abend zu boxen, ist dein größter Vorteil. Du kannst klein sein, aber wenn du wirklich da sein willst und jemanden schießen willst, dann bist du wahrscheinlich vor der Packung.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
Go to Billy.gov and vote.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
That guy was like an Irish boxer in the 70s.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I think I've seen one of those on social media.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
What do you think of it? Wow. Check that out.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
I love watching a complete stranger deal with basically aiding someone in relapsing.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
brion bishop reveals his wildest new year's resolution
You have to know for a fact that that person is sober. And then when they order from you, if you know them that well and they order a drink, you can probably go like, I'm not comfortable serving this.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
sneaking my uncle into stagecoach
Are there more assaults or more car crashes?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
sneaking my uncle into stagecoach
I heard of a wedding where the groom's parents are much richer than the bride's parents and they kept the normal, whatever.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
sneaking my uncle into stagecoach
Well, don't join the party. Like, don't join the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
sneaking my uncle into stagecoach
I think he was very good about saving money.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
sneaking my uncle into stagecoach
Or because they're not real. They're not real, so it's not weird. Okay, the high schoolers can be hot because they're played by 25-year-olds.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
sneaking my uncle into stagecoach
And so he stayed, and him staying helped – like, he was there, so he was able to crush the rebellion.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
sneaking my uncle into stagecoach
Yeah. All right. We love you guys. Have a great rest of your Monday. Have a great Tuesday. And we will see you bright and early on Wednesday for another beautiful episode of Playdate. Andrew, play that motherfucking theme music, boy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how we became the bad boys of podcasting
Lauren, was machst du jetzt auf deinem Handy? Ihr seid weiterzumachen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how we became the bad boys of podcasting
Was bedeutet das? Was bedeutet das?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
100th episode goes NUTS
Oh, baby, it's a diaper dandy. I love when you do that. Wait, how do I airplay? Yo, Adrian. Yo, Adrian. Take them glasses off. Lauren, how do I airplay? I don't know. Where?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
100th episode goes NUTS
Can I just get the nachos? When Cameron was in Egypt's land.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
100th episode goes NUTS
That's just... Is that something you grew up with? That's my buddy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
100th episode goes NUTS
Yeah. Hell yeah, man. I'm not going to pick up from a regular number.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
100th episode goes NUTS
This is legs. That's great. All right. That's the end of those segments. No, I have one more. I only did two.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
rusty crop-dusted an innocent man
Have you guys seen Tiki the dog? No. You seen Tiki the dog, Will? No. I've never seen any the dog.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
rusty crop-dusted an innocent man
Diana Taurasi, what's she doing? She's not.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
rusty crop-dusted an innocent man
Followed by this guy rocks. This guy rocks. This guy rocks today.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
rusty crop-dusted an innocent man
Hey, hey, I said this guy rocks, and he rocks so hard. He rocks in your house, and he rocks in your yard. Lauren, turn the airdrop on, girl. Come on. I select memory.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
And I was like, mom, mom, two years ago, November 4th, 8 p.m., I found a container of it.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
Guess the prank is that I'm not gonna bring him I Don't know what to give Michael Featherstone you didn't even say like I was trying while I was like we must take a few inches off.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
Is the cliff jumpable? I felt bad, like, fucking with him too much. Oh, yeah. I probably should have just fucked with him.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
Why did I do that? I should have fucked with him. I got nervous.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
What up, dude? Uh, I called your dad and he was cracked. I don't, he, I got so put in a blender that I just, I told him we're going to bring him more dirt. And then he was really, he got really like excited. And he said, he's going to put me on his prayer list and then ask for my name and number. And then it was like, thank you. It was the worst break of all time.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
Cause I think he thinks that I'm going to bring him dirt now. I don't know. I got really nervous, man. Oh, my God. You should let him know that I'm not going to bring him dirt. I feel bad.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
Oh, my goaded Rube Goldberg machine?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
My mom was so mad that I put the screenshot of our text. This is uncool and unfair. 11.45, it is over.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
Oh, there it was. There it was. Wait, but also look. Look. Dan Allen says he hopes to make more TikTok videos like this. Oh. Wait, but... You did it. Scroll down.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
Oh, my God. And it's all these different rules about, like, in the 70s, Princeton had this innovation, and then in the 80s, SUNY, Buffalo.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
No, we have to. I'm sorry. I just came up on my free page. I was like, what is going on? Ew. Ew. That guy works here.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we built the biggest rube goldberg machine
That guy was there to get you into the movement.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
What's my weekend? Now you're scaring me. Okay, at the bar. This is funny. This is really nice. I don't know what you're talking about.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Jesus. You guys know my cute little round glasses that you wore that one episode? Yeah, they were so cute. Yeah, I lost them. They were fake, so they weren't that expensive. And this kind gentleman at the bar may have Venmoed me $200. Why? Weil er wollte, dass ich ein anderes Paar bekomme. Und ich war so... Ich war nur so traurig, dass ich sie verloren habe.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Das war Woody Harrelsons Bruder. Das war ein anderer Typ.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Nein. Ich habe nur gesagt, dass ich wirklich traurig war, dass ich sie verloren habe.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Okay, es war auch nicht... Du warst am Bar.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Äh, nein. Nein. Das war eine Lüge. Du hast deine Trinken gekauft.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Nein. Nein. Mia. Warte. Meine Freunde haben gesprochen. Wir haben ein bisschen mit diesem Gruppchen gesprochen. Und sie waren alle sehr... Von Männern?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Yeah, obviously. Girls and guys, like a cool, fun group of people. And then this, basically, I was just, it was, the word was getting out that I was sad that I lost my glasses, because everyone was like trying them on, and then, I think it was Mia's fault, but it's fine. I just was just a little upset.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Na, wir werden sehen. Okay. Ihr seht aus wie die Großeltern von Charlie und der Schokoladenfaktor.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Er fühlte sich schlecht, dass ich traurig war und sagte, oh, ich kaufe dir neue. Ich sagte, das ist so süß, aber du musst das nicht tun. Er sagte, nein, vertraue mir, ich mache viel Geld. Es ist nichts für mich, es ist okay. Wer war er? Was war sein Name? Ich sage nicht... War er ein Feind? Nein, nein. Oh. Ich hoffe.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
He pulled up his phone, handed it to me, and I typed in my Venmo. I would have done the same thing, for the record. And he goes, how much, like $100, $150? I was like... Du hast geblieben und ihm gesagt, dass du echt bist. Was? Nein, ich habe nicht.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Wait, what? Now I'm really scared and embarrassed.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
My mom was listening to the pod this morning. She was dying at the bit.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Du brauchst einen Eis-Cream-Scooper, Bro.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
I don't believe that. I think you text us at like 10.00.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Junkie? Last night I was so excited to make pasta for dinner with vodka sauce.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Long story short, I was so excited to cook dinner for me and Mia and then the stove wasn't working. Our stove still is not working. I was supposed to call the gas people today. I forgot. So basically I had Triscuits and Hummus for dinner. Mia had Tortilla Chips. Why don't you just Postmate something? I spent so much money over the weekend.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Oh, it tells you like how... Oh, guys, I took a Waymo over the weekend.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
This low key just makes me sad looking at all the money I've spent on... Scroll down.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Okay, no one look yet. Privacy, see summary? Yes.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Ich habe alle 5 Stars. Ich habe 181 5 Stars, 2 4s, 3 3s und 3 1s.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Du hast wahrscheinlich versucht, sie zu küssen, sie zu bewegen.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Was war so beängstigend, als du in den Stall gegangen bist? Es gab eine Linie.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
What is going on with me? Yeah, wait, what's the boy sitch? I'm not talking about this on the pod. Okay.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
I think a good first thing... Lauren, show them how it's done. I don't know either. Now I'm nervous. I'm pretending I'm a guy?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
See, I feel like there's no way to approach a girl without being weird.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Okay. I'm trying to think of what a guy can say when they come up to you that makes it not creepy.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Is that The Smiths? I love The Smiths. Yeah. I watched that movie last night.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Get off the phone! No, I'm listening. This is actually important. Mia has to call the gas. Oh cool, sounds like Mia's got a handle. Keep talking about Kony. Kony. Kony hot dog.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Sorry. Cozy Podcast. Okay. Pitch submissions. First pitch is from Kev Raquel.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Kev Raquel. Okay. He says, Dear Lauren and the Dreamstarters.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
My wife and I are long time listeners. The Dreamstarters is an... Awesome name. Yeah, it's epic. Okay. My wife and I are long-time listeners, first-time pitchers. We listen to bed every night. Your best friend's birthday is coming up.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Er sagt, dein bester Freundsgeburtstag kommt und du weißt nicht, was du weißt. Lass mich dich vorstellen, wie es funktioniert. Scan es, genau wie MyFitnessPal, aber für Fashion. Du scannen den Tag eines Kleidungs-Items, um es zu loggen. Ich höre es. Snap es. Kein Tag, kein Problem. Nimm ein Bild und Reware wird es erkennen und kategorisieren.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Stylisier es, bekomm AI-generierte Outfit-Rekommendationen, basierend auf dem, was du besitzt. Und dann Reware und Verwenden. Lieben ein Item, aber es verloren oder es in den Wasch geschnitten. Reware schafft Länge, damit du es mit Ease repurchten kannst. Das ist verrückt. Das ist fantastisch. Okay. Bereit, Willi? Was heißt es? Reware? Reware.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
It's like brown. Tan. What is maroon into? Brown. I mean, it's like burgundy. No, no, no. I meant to say, what does a cowboy shirt into?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
I said, what's a cowboy shirt? Cowboy shirt?
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
Nein, ich hatte Träume, in denen es nur Arbeitsstücke gab, wo wir so lange im Studio waren und es war immer so viel falsch. Nein, das ist kein Traum, das nur jeden Tag passiert. Ich hatte einen Traum, den ich, es war, ich glaube, zwei Nachts her, und ich habe mich in einem Trashcan verpisscht.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
how to flirt with women at the bar
When is it coming out? I actually have no idea.
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Or it could symbolize that you're trying to let go of something, but it's not in a healthy or appropriate way.
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Not Woody Harrelson's brother. Not Woody Harrelson's brother. The guy who Venmoed me. It needs to be someone that we know.
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Kranken? Wahrscheinlich nur sprechen. Was würdest du tun?
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So many people have asked me that. Every time I tell them I'm a podcast producer, they're like, would you ever start your own?
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No, I can definitely speak my mind, but I feel like if I had my own podcast, it wouldn't be what you... Let's try it out.
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Do a minute of my own podcast. Do a tight five. Hallo, alle. Willkommen zu, ich weiß nicht, was der Name wäre, aber ich weiß, dass ich... Lachen mit Lauren. Nein, ich würde es nicht nennen, aber... Boren Lauren. Boren Lauren, jeden Sonntag. Jeden Sonntag. Jeden Sonntagabend. Live. Live jeden Sonntag. Live von 9.
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Read the room here. I actually genuinely do not care for someone being super jacked. It doesn't mean anything to me. Fucking yeah.
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Ja. No, I post a lot of videos just of me talking on my close friend stories. We're not on that? Is it about us? No, fuck no. Worst day ever. No, it's just like my girls.
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I mean, to an extent. Do you trust me with your life? Yeah, I trust you guys. Sometimes.
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When was the last time I let you down? I don't know.
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I don't think I would start my own podcast.
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Oh yeah, how long was that? What? How long was that?
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Ähm... Ich denke... Was meinst du, du denkst? Ich denke, es ist jemand, den wir kennen.
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Nach dem Fakt, dass ich gelernt habe, dass es jemand ist, den ihr, glaube ich, kennt.
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Das ist großartig. Ich denke, ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass es Sam war, einer von Sam's Ruhepartner. Joe? Nein, der andere. Brett? Ja.
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I didn't really know if it mattered. Why were you with him? Were you with Sam? No.
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You guys set this whole thing up? You never got $200? No, I did. Wait. No, I got to Hana, but he was like... Wait, what part was the prank?
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He was trying to tell me that it was Kyle Kuzma. I'm like, I don't know who that is.
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No, that's actually who it was, but I said... Oh, what? Yeah.
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Der alte 1-2 Bofinger Kuzma. Warte, der Witz am Wochenende mit mir und Mia und unseren Freunden, die in der Stadt waren, war, dass es einen Frog in unserem Apartment gab.
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Das war... Ja, aber es war lustig, weil wir nur die Texte von unserer Gruppe gehalten haben. Wie, ihr Jungs, der Frog, der kommt zurück. Er ist unter dem Couch. Und wir... Du?
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Well, Jane's like moving back there for good.
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I think I just got arrested. It's 74 years old.
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Oh my god, guys, I thought he was wearing Converse. I literally thought...
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Do you see the vision? I literally thought that was like Lisa's.
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Good boys go to hideaway. Dude, this guy is so close to falling off.
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Ich meine, ja, ich glaube, er rockt. Wo gehen die guten Mädchen hin? Das hat mich seltsam gefühlt. Warum?
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I don't think I know anyone else in life that uses the word reek or talks about things reeking as much as you guys.
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You said I'm one of your longest podcast producers.
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Nein, aber... Nein, ich habe keinen. Warte, das ist auch so lustig, dass du deine Schuhe da hättest, als würdest du in die... In den Pool? Ja. Oder einfach in dein Bett gehen.
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I'm gonna listen to that song when I drive home.
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Oh, guys. We hope you guys enjoyed Mary. Mary's the best. That was awesome.
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Look, I clicked on images and then that was suggested and I wanted to see if he had like... She busted? Was she bad? No. Well, I don't know.
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Didn't he have a bunch of wives? Yeah. Well...
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Emily Bender. Emily Benda. Es war sehr lustig und großartig, aber ich bin müde und ich bin vorbei.
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Ich konnte nicht aus dem Bett gehen bis neun. Ich war wirklich anstrengend. Hast du dich überhungert? Ich bin wirklich müde. Du fühlst dich wie ein Millionen Pound. Hast du etwas gemacht, um dich zu überraschen? No. That's not what I heard. But I unfortunately... What did you do this weekend? What did I do this weekend?
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Do you know the story? Wait, what are you talking about?
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We had, like, dog shit helmets. This was before anyone was getting, like, Rydell speeds or anything. Because the speed came first. I remember the speed came out probably towards the end of my Pop Warner career.
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And then... I was doing the arts. I had the center thing, though. The Jeff Saturday helmet, basically all of Pop Warner. And I thought it was hard as fuck.
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It is crazy how slow football helmet technology moved for 50 years because in Pop Warner, I was it was like foam just decaying. I'd be pulling out. like a blue line here, a blue line here of plastic that they would just pump up with air. Yep. So it's hard. And then in the winter, everything in your helmet would freeze. So you're just running around with a rock on your head.
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Well, you lose with your head more, too. Rugby guys have less concussions because they protect themselves and shit.
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way more skittish about like lowering their head yeah then there's always this fucking psychos who don't care yeah yeah dude i remember one time in pop warner i got hit so fucking hard that i literally saw stars like i know like the cartoons where it's like i looked up and it was just like And I was like, holy shit, that's real. That's a real thing that happens to you. I had no idea.
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I was like, this is terrible. I probably had so many concussions, dude. That would explain a lot. Right. One of the funniest, it's not funny, it's really fucked up, but it was, looking back on it, it's kind of funny. We were up in Maine for a football camp. Portland stand up.
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That was straight up. You're on thin ice. All right, dude. I'm ice skating.
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No, we had phones. Everyone was jacking off.
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nothing wrong with that but it was you love that i love that and um and guys were frustrated where they were like you have so you had so much storage like why didn't you yeah why didn't you diversify a little bit he knew what he liked you got to respect a man who knows what he wants well my biker girlfriend to be well fed brother exactly no but i'll say uh there's a map and i don't know if that's a town or just the name of the camp what that was camp map and i um
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It was an all-girls Jewish summer camp, and then when they were done, they'd bring the hounds in. They were what? It was an all-girls Jewish summer camp beforehand.
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It was just like fields and shit. We would just come whenever their camp was done, and there was one day, like two days, and it was the hitting day. It was the tackling circuit fucking nightmare where everyone's screaming at you. Like, just trying to get kids to go as hard as they possibly can. And we went right into, like, a full scrimmage.
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And everyone is, like, nauseous level headaches coming back to the cabins. And I just remember it's an hour after practice. An hour. I'm all the way showered. Like, everyone's waiting in line to, like, take their shower. Everyone's ready to, like, go out and do whatever the fuck we have. And I go out into the front porch of my cabin. And my friend is sitting full pads.
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on the bench in front of the, I'll give him a fake name. I was like, helmet, like cleats just sitting here. And I go, Ryan, what the fuck are you doing, dude? And he just looks at me with like, like straight fear and tears welling up in his eyes. And he goes,
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oh my god and like starts crying we were like holy shit we like take his helmet off and just like walk him over dude and we were like holy fuck he was so concussed yeah i don't know oh my god i don't think i'm gonna put my kids in football just like insane just like looking so so how old is he you're 16 yeah he was so afraid so he had no fucking idea where he was what's he doing now
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Also, pretty easy to fight a guy wearing Peloton shoes.
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It was awesome. It was unreal. Dude, Randy Moss came to one of my Pop Warner games. Really? It was fucking insane. I feel like he would have been way better than you guys, right? He was nasty. He crushed us. Broke my ankle. No, because Kevin Falk Jr. was on my Pop Warner team. Who's Kevin Falk? Patriots running back. Marshall related? No, different guy. Amazing though.
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Uh, and so it was, he would come to the games a lot of times and would bring, you know, random guys on the team just being like, Oh, you want to go? Cause his son was fucking nasty. So it was like, like anytime he touched the ball, he was in the end zone no matter what. I think the entire season he took back every single kick return for a touchdown. Like nobody could do anything. Yeah.
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Uh, I also think he was way older. I don't know how it was working. He was playing with down, but, uh, I remember there was one time I turned around, and I didn't even recognize them. I was really young at this point. It was Randy Moss, Kevin Falk, who I recognized, and then Ben Jarvis, Green Ellis, I think. And I remember my dad just took me aside.
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He was like, Billy Madison, never forget this day. Never burn this into your brain. You'll forget this, and you'll hate yourself for it. So now I just have the image of being like, what's up, guys?
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Todd Rucci? Oh, this was before my days. He's a Pats guy. He won a Super Bowl. I don't remember it. Oh. Anyway. Lauren, are you a football gal?
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I was just thinking that when you're like, yeah, kids are all different sizes. I was the biggest fucking kid.
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Oh, dude, I was like, when I was like really young, like I remember like getting my growth chart from my doctor and being like 90th percentile and being like, this is awesome. I'm going to go to the league. I was, like, literally, like, just so fucking fat back then, too. But I had to play with kids two years older than me. Got it. And, like, I remember being so young.
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That's when they really start, you know, throwing plays at you. And it's not just like, all right, let's. And I just had no fucking idea. Like, I remember this kid would grab me before every snap and just put me in position. And I'd be like, all right, I'm just going to go this way. I had no clue what to do. What position were you? O-line. I was center until basically high school.
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And then I grew like eight inches in a fucking year. So I showed up freshman year of high school. I was like, I'm going to O-line. They were like, no. 6'1", 150. You're not going on the O-line. And that was pretty much, I never figured out why. No, because you never went kind of stretched out. Yeah, and like all the skills I've been developing for the last decade are no use to me anymore.
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Taylor Luan, dude. But there's even crazier ones. Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas. You've seen Vince Wilfork lately?
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He's still a little fat, but he's like way, way smaller. Caleb Swanigan. Jonathan Stanton. Whoa.
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Oh, yeah. Click on that one with the red jacket. That might be a bad joke.
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Yeah, I don't go on the road. Yeah. I accidentally went on the road the other day. I took Angus' electric bike to Home Depot. It's like two miles away. I was like, this isn't bad. It's all sidewalks and shit. Out of nowhere, I'm just on Lincoln, like heading towards the airport. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where everyone's doing 70, and I'm just doing, I'm maxing out at 19.5, and I'm like...
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oh yeah dude you couldn't move him you couldn't he never like you couldn't push him anywhere yeah you put him over the center that play is fucked good luck call an audible that's true imagine just lining up and being like oh fuck we were gonna run it uh no not gonna do that anymore this outfit is amazing he's a beast dude that's him that's benito is football your favorite sport to watch yeah definitely yeah yeah i love it more than anything else
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And the last two seasons have been real into college football, too. And that's like...
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I love this shit. Wraps them up like the Wizard of Oz under the house. I love football.
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When's the cake going to come in then, huh?
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And everyone was just laying on their horn. I'm like, I know, dude. I don't know how I got here.
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I wrote the, like, original thing where it was just, like, you know, girls being, like, a little mean about their friend after they leave. And then it was supposed to be Angus. That's why, like, he wasn't around. So it kind of sucked that I had to do it because he would have been way better at, like, making it a lot weirder. Because then it's like, oh, it's going to cut to the guys one.
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You think the guys are going to be, like, shitty in person. Now they're going to be. And then this one guy just, like, takes it really far.
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He could have, but the original joke was just like... So you agree? That was like as far as the script went for probably like five months until we just like figured it out. Yeah. Let me rift a bunch on the day.
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They're like, fuck, he's 11, dude. We gotta get... He is... Don't mess with me!
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My guidance counselor squared up to me the last day of high school. Yeah, it was crazy. Squared up? Ex-Marine wrestling coach. So he's like 5'5". He was a fucking bitch. I hate this motherfucker. Fuck you. You're a loser. I forget your name. But it was like the last day of school. So we were like running around with, and I didn't, I was just running around, you know, not doing anything.
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But, you know, kids took it way too far. So it started like five of us running around. Then it became like 50. And kids are now just like throwing trash cans down, duct taping air horns, throwing them in lockers, locking it. Like with locks they brought from home. Silly string everywhere. We just started trash. Was this a senior prank? I guess it was a prank. We were just trashing the school.
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I don't know. Everyone brought it. Kids do it every year. It's like the last thing. They just run around. And I remember we were tired, so we took a break in the library. And the librarian came out, and she was like, just go home. I'm not going to say anything. Just get the fuck out of here. And we were like, oh, shit. Okay. All right. Fine. Cool. And so we're walking out.
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And this dude, like flat top haircut, just, comes running down the hallway at us and starts pointing at me. He's like, I got you dumping trash barrels and destroying school property. I got you on camera. And I was like, no, you don't. I didn't do any of that shit. He's like, I got you on camera. I was like, no, you fucking don't. I didn't do any of that shit.
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He's like, so you want to get tough to me? And literally starts bumping his chest on mine. And I was like, dude, you're such a fucking loser. Get out of my way. And just walked away. And I was like, what are we going to fight right now? Were you 18?
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he's 17 or 18 yeah if you're 17 you gotta you gotta goad him into punching you but i was like he had no money dude he's a guidance counselor at a public high school in massachusetts but he's a wrestling coach i was like what do you why would you try to fight me out of everyone like we had a and we were like friendly he was my guidance counselor like for four years i was a good guy to him i never heard no i knew yeah i was like what the fuck is your problem dude
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We had something like that. There was this big storage closet, like double door storage closet. And it's all the, like those roll up mats that are in the gymnasium and shit. They're like eight feet tall and then they're huge. And so these kids in my grade just, like, if you look in, all you see is, like, the tops of these things.
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And then he pushed everything close to the door and just created, like, this little speakeasy area in this storage closet. So, like, we'd all be in a group chat about it, and we'd text and, like, go and just, like, vape and shit and, like, hang out there. Yeah. And just fuck around. And I remember there was one day where someone was texting us like, hey, go in the closet.
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Everyone's like, oh, word, I'll join you. And it's like in the middle of everyone else's classes. And I remember just like, oh, fuck. Check my phone late. I was like, oh, I gotta get down there. And I'm walking down there. And dude, full raid.
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everyone's lined up in the hallway fully like busted like principal vice principal like everyone and they're all lined up like pockets empty everyone's holding vapes and weed in their hand i remember just like walking by all of them being like i had no going to the bathroom classmates in the back of the school they're like what are you doing down here i was like just walking around just taking a stroll all right see you guys later i'll look at him i was like fuck you that's awesome all right should we road map it up
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okay whoa you should do as one of your one of your uh transition stings like let's get into it the severance bell yes anyway i'm on i just watched episode five last night season one yeah pretty good you should watch it i'm like there's a whole other side to this guy's life all right give me one second i need to tell this when he gets to work do they show them on the outside yeah
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Other guns are attached to their handlebars. It's like Batman.
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I'm going to be honest. I got real into writing new ways to get high. And then that, I got so sidetracked. I think I did about at least 15 of those. Okay. I have like five. I have three, and two of them suck. I struggled with that. Oh, they're not good.
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Call an ambulance. I don't think it's getting picked up on that.
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Damn. One of the lovely husky ladies on the backseat of that bike got sniped off.
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Yeah, I'd be like, dude, we're duds.
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One of my favorite things ever is when you just see an old couple, old motorcycle couple, and it's like this skinny 70-year-old guy and his beautiful left guard wife. He was just sitting on the back of it, and you're like, what the fuck is this dynamic?
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Preston would have been nice. What do you think? Preston? I thought maybe Preston, like Justin with a P. Preston. You're going to love my squad.
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Okay. What's the worst part about what?
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Nice nose freak. How come they don't bully him for that? Which guy are you? Because he's a murderer. I'm Hermione. You're Hermione? Yeah. That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Okay, well, he says all the walking... Scooping it out with your hands and trying to mash it down the drain. Getting a little man out of my drain.
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I love it. I have a better idea. Oh. Done. Sold. Because I want to be lying down while I'm cleaning.
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So have you seen Honey, I Shrunk the Kids? Of course. You know that backyard contraption he makes when he wants to like float over and look at the grass? Of course. It's been a while. It's that for the apartment.
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You know what I mean? They're not, like, nomadic. They go home.
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Me too. When are you going? April 2nd to 8th. I'm going in June. I'm doing stand-up with Brett. Oh, really? Yeah. Where at? A club in Charleston. I forget what it's called.
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Yeah, if you're interested, let me know.
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We could do some fun shit on the show, too.
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Yeah, we could do a sketch or something.
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Yeah, you don't have to, like, stop and, like, start new every time. Get back to the thing.
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I like that. It's kind of like... You ever get one of those... Dryer things? Hang your towels on? Tile rack? Just tell me you did it.
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I like it. I thought it was a turtle for a second. Oh, actually, there might be a turtle on it. Turtle.
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Especially in my backpack because it's filled with books.
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Why would it be a Pringles? I'd be goddamned if that doesn't exist already. I think it does.
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I needed that. Dude, this is ugly and weird. Yeah, it exists. You're an asshole. God. I'm hammered. Do you have one? I'm hammered.
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You don't have to have one. I have a lot of different ways to say you're high now, though.
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Yeah, and then it had headphones built into it. It's actually a great invention for the time. Yeah. That'd be so convenient. Isn't that sick? Imagine if you were a mailman back then.
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If you were a mailman in 1949, yeah, why wouldn't you have a radio? That would change your fucking day-to-day life.
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I was boys with my mailman because he was my Pop Warner coach. Really? He was my O-line coach for Pop Warner. No son on the team.
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No, no, no. That's just like the youth football.
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I actually... I see where you're coming from, but I've had... My Pop Warner team was a lot of guys that were just... They all coached high school football together back in the day, and they've since retired. And so the head coach of the high school football team's son was on my team. So he was head coaching again, and he just brought all of his old boys back.
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Even though they didn't have kids on the team, they were just like, oh, let's get together. Oh, I see. Rally the troops again. And they were all fantastic coaches. I really want to coach. Before I have a kid on the team. I pray to God I have a son just so I can coach Pop Warner football.
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I told this on my pod, but we had a coach that would suit up and pop Warner full pads and play running back. Ah! So that's what I'm talking about. He was like 5'3". That's odd. No, it was honestly hilarious. He wasn't hitting kids or anything, but he would play running back. He was tiny. So he's like our height, but a grown man. What did the regular running back do? Sit out.
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And he was fast as fuck because he was a grown man. Yeah, because he had big man legs.
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Not in the games. Not in the games, just a practice. He was so small, he could fit into the Papa Warner like...
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practice shit like you just go in the shed and grab it and before practice sometimes you'd only do it occasionally like fuck is he going in the shed right now and you'd come out in full pads like god damn it dude dude look at that well i knew you would like this one that's why i kept it on the screen kick field goals through that guy's head that's a honey i shrunk the kids invention right there did did you guys know that the eiffel tower shrinks and grows
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At least that makes sense. Do you know kangaroos can't jump backwards? Why is that? Don't know. Body?
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Sorry. They put their hands on your shoulders and their razor-sharp claws, they jump up and gut you or gut whatever the fuck they're trying to kill. So they hold you in place here and then just shred your intestines.
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The news is wrong. Australia is fucked.
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Yeah, that's sick. I'm going to Bangkok in December.
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No. My cousin's getting married out there.
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The Sweeney Chin. That's my mom's maiden name.
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Rusty, that duck can speak. He's fine.
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Dude, you should see what they're doing off camera. Then you're going to want to write your congressman pants.
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Oh, I got a few more, actually. The Knights of Jodie Foster. Willow and the Smiths. I just wrote down Land Acknowledgement? How about a Band Acknowledgement? And then I'm just throwing bands everywhere.
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I actually want to, I keep sending, I send all the same memes to you and my brother. I think I just got to join you guys into it.
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I can't say it. It's not great. I mean, it's been this since sixth grade. Muff Divers.
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Right when group chats were available, we started one.
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Lauren was trying to talk. Can you let her speak?
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all right i'll tee it up all right okay let me wait let me let me uh dude i got let me pick my actually for the clip if you just pick my top three okay okay so i have fucking 20 these are new ways to say you're high i'm on treat watch i'm on the international blazed station I'm Cesar Milland right now. Let me take that again. I'm Cesar Milland right now because I'm whispering to dogs.
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Cesar Milland is the dog whisperer. Is he a real guy? Yeah.
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It doesn't work at all. I don't know. He probably is.
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I'm Pete Carroll on the goal line. I'm gnomed. I like that. My genes are hacked, man. R.I.P. Gene Hackman.
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I'm Samurai Jax right now. I'm capsized. I'm exposition dumping. I'm out of bounds. Out of bounds, I like. I'm signed up right now. I'm behind the times. My foot's on the line. I'm vetoed. My foot's on the line is the most accurate one so far. I'm Jody Fostered. I'm fucking abducted. I'm on a collision course with secrets. I'm forbidden. I'm Django Unchained right now. I'm Mikey Madison.
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I'm seeing spreadsheets. I think that's all. I like seeing spreadsheets a lot. Yeah, I'm seeing spreadsheets.
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This week, whose personality am I going to steal?
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We're not going to race traitor. Yeah, got that. Wait, what are you guys doing this weekend?
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My new two swift board came in. I totaled my last one. They were nice enough to give me another one. So I'm going to be ripping that all weekend.
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Hey, guys, find me here in this office. Liam Kella on my stuff. When does this come out?
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Oh, yeah. Willie and I are going to do a live sketch tour. So Toronto, first show sold out. And then we had another one, Virginia, Boston.
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I saw the email there. Pittsburgh, two shows and one at the Wilbur. Big old place in the Wilbur. So come out.
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He did some fucking insane level hazing on this guy.
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The story is... There's an article about it, and it's fucking heinous. He's clearly a piece of shit. And, like, an... Fuck.
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And then say narcissist. I'm getting... Now, do you have any smoking spliffs? Like a real jerk.
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So cool. When I moved in with Angus, I threw up my bong because I was like, I feel like I'm too old to have a bong now.
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And anytime I see a black guy that's like over 6'5", I'm like, is that fucking like any name anyone in the NFL?
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I choose to believe neither of you. And here's a story I saw this morning.
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When we were walking, my dad, when he was here, this was probably two years ago, we were walking around Venice Beach. First of all, just keeps, any black guy that walks by, he's like, that's so-and-so. And I'm like, it's fucking not. My dad just pops his shirt off, just starts walking around like he owns the entire fucking town. And she goes, oh, shit, Spike Lee. And I don't even look.
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I'm like, ah, damn it, dude. It's not Spike Lee. I looked over. I was like, oh, shit, it is Spike Lee. It's like one for 10 on the day. I was like, all right, that's a pretty easy one as well. That's pretty funny. You played Dungeons & Dragons yesterday. How was that? So sick. I want to play it all the time now. Really? We should run it back all the time. I can't imagine how fun that would be.
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No cameras. Yeah. I want to take that. I was like, it's like Red Dead. I just want to get as dark as I can.
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There's a lot of, not even like rules, but elements to the characters and games. But we had a great, Jonathan... Yeah, our Dungeon Master played in the NFL. Insane, dude.
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Jonathan Stanton. He used to run games with Miles Garrett in the locker room.
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A lot of people say that. He had the sick, the bull ring face mask. Yeah. I thought that was the coolest shit of all time.
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Because they hate chat. They were calling me like...
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you're not on here and I was like no I'm gonna be I'm gonna be there anyway and then they do the spring one they think you're like lying yeah literally that's so sad Will's lying about being in the show just trying to like trick them into buying tickets to my friend's show anyway then they for the spring I'm like please get this right they release all the tickets and every link says Rusty Featherstone
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All right, that's like a weird movie, I guess.
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Yeah, it was actually really, it was impressive. He was up there with a professional musician doing a duet. Who was it? Townsend, my friend. Oh, really? Yeah. And so he was like, he was crushing it. And then you were coming in for like the, like you were bringing it. It was perfect. Yeah.
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i was doing backing vocals i didn't know he was a musician it makes a lot more like a touring musician yeah people were everyone we were in fucking nashville east nashville which is like where all the fucking musicians live a bunch of karaoke it kind of ruins karaoke i mean it was still fun but it was like everyone that went up there was so good yeah it's like going to play pickup and then it's you're playing with the celtics and so i go up there i go exactly i go up there to do define gravity yeah the girl the girl next to me was like hey would you want to go up and do define gravity with me and i was like sure i'll be glinda
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And she was very supportive, which I needed because right when I started this girl, these two girls come up and they go, Hey, listen, if you don't know the words, you shouldn't be up there. At karaoke. Like, who does that at fucking karaoke? It destroyed my confidence.
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Like, after I, like, fucked up the first lyric. They came up and were like, hey, if you don't know the words, you shouldn't be up there.
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What's that? Did you choose that song? No, this other girl was like, I'm going to do Defy Gravity. Do you want to be Glinda?
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Which is a pretty small role in the context of that song, though.
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It worked. It worked because I was fucking embarrassed. Those girls made me... The whole time I was up there, I was like... I felt like I was letting her down, stealing from her moment. It was horrible.
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Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's like if someone goes up there and doesn't know a single word and fucks everything up, I'm not going to say anything at karaoke. That's like the point of karaoke.
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It was horrible. She said you shouldn't be up there. Like you don't deserve this.
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Because we were called Dorsal. Yeah. And then we'd be like, when we were about to come out, we'd be like, chum the waters.
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I think we had someone go up there and say it.
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I think we were feeding ourselves. Chum the waters, here comes dorsal. I feel like that's it. What? What do you mean? No.
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It's actually horrible. The reason I thought of that was that in college when we played Syracuse, I vividly remember us all chanting, like, Jim Boeheim killed a guy.
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It was honestly, in retrospect, pretty awful.
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I thought maybe the alumni network.
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I think we might have chanted DUI. That's what I'm thinking about right now.
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hackle leaders or in high school that sort of yeah we were both the leaders of our super super fan president you?
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Could have been 12 of anything. But we did this viral show last night, Cold Cases, where they solve a mystery while drinking a case of beer. Have you seen that guy? He does it.
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You ever like the modern offices that have a big keg of beer? Here it kind of makes sense, but ad agencies will have draft beers. Yeah, like a ping pong table.
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Yeah. I feel the same way about Boston. I like it here way better than Boston.
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She was like, I think Will might have perfect pitch.
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I had those dog shit ones. You have those? Yeah, the plastic ones. You have, like, flying it out.
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So I don't really know what is used. I don't know if it goes bad.
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I just said his new show is for old people. Okay, watch this.
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But for him, it was like, no problem. Not a big deal at all.
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No, I can't actually even wrap my mind around why you would have thought that.
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I really don't want to do this because I am proud of you.
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The only reason I claim moral high ground is that in this office, people go fucking ballistic when the water cooler runs out. Like, it is, like, fucking, people are, like, throwing shit and screaming and, like, messaging in Slack.
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Park you little shit is awesome.
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Or Donal, Jerry, my roommate, spelled my, he does the editing for, like, the Almost Friday TV sketches. And in the most recent one, it says my name on the screen. It's like Will Van Ellen, and he spelled it wrong.
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It could just go there and then you'd be at a table with a bunch of people.
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It would definitely be really sad.
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I feel like that's like hard to get a res. You can be like, if there's one spot open, I'll go sit with some random people.
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But he has no free storage. He has so many documents and shit. I don't know.
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He's fucking embarrassing himself, dude. Also, that guy pooped, but seriously.
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You're pitching one-on-one. No, but you both get to shoot back at each other. You can do it anywhere. You don't have to be at a court. So you strap it in. It's like a backboard. It's nice and portable. With backpack straps. It's like a backboard that you stick your arms through the backboard. And then there's a hoop in front, too. So then they shoot. It goes to the hoop. You catch it.
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You catch it. You put your hands under when they're shooting.
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It's a portable, one-of-a-kind basketball game. There's going to be some kinks to work out.
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You just have to get rid of enough of these files to be able to do the update.
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Hennepin County? Yeah. This is Sarah? Yeah.
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And then you can get the new Slack because you have to have the new OS to use it. And I told him that. He was like, well, I can't figure it out. And I pretty quickly figured it out. I was like, all right, here's what you got to do. And then he was like, ah, yeah.
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Hi, Sarah. My name is Mike. I'm with the permitting division of the building department here in Hennepin County.
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Please. You gotta do the dad. Please.
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It's horrible, man. I know. It's so anxiety-inducing. Wait, that might have been... Oh, no, that was definitely Sarah.
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Also, we just give all these people our numbers.
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Hello, you've reached the voicemail.
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That was the permanent division of the building department.
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you just are you're not in my defense i looked it up online i asked like our head of finance and our like other boss and everyone was like yeah no that's not a thing anywhere but then so this might be a sort of an internal issue yes yeah well they yeah obviously our boss doesn't want to tell us that other companies do that um all right ryan you want to teach us something
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One of the guys who got caught doing it for Nixon on his deathbed said that JFK was a CIA conspiracy.
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Honestly, it's a magic piece. That's a pretty good business idea. Wait, tell me about that thing you were saying about rain earlier, that she was sick.
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But then I was reading that I think he was kind of losing his mind towards the end of his life and his sons...
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This guy rocks. This guy rocks today.
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So when they say that propane's number one, I think they're all lies.
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Keep going. This is horrible. I love this guy. Oh, I think I might have seen this one.
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Everybody done this at least once. Everybody who went to college did this shit. Be honest.
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Some of mine are conceptual. You can do whatever you want.
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tbh rate and date for all the the wedding party uh first off sorry we were unable to make this open bar that will make everyone there think they either stole or gonna get billed for everything i drank i like that for those of you that don't know me i'm the guy that just got caught jerking off in the bathroom i'm also eric's best man
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I want to see how long I could cough before they notice.
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I don't know where I am right now, and I'm so fucking scared.
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I like that. For those of you who don't know me, I've posted all my stats on the wall behind you for you to check out.
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Yeah, actually, every time we talk about a profession, there'll always be a comment that's like, well, I'm actually a welder, and I'm always like, wow, we have more...
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I like that. I like that. Pirates and Pilates. Plasma Rewind.
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How many darts? Like a 16-year-old Irish kid that's like fucking darts.
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He wrecked it. He has to be this weekend.
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Danny Ainge. Yeah. I kind of come on. I looked at Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge and then got Danny McBride out of it.
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Your dad was finals MVP in 2006. That's good. For the Nuggets. That's good.
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It'd have to make me think that they think that it's Angus or Billy or something. You know what I mean? Tell them there aren't too many Wills in my orbit.
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And then his jersey number. Do you watch that new show? He's in his ass.
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Is there like, does he still feel bad about when he poked the guy's eyes out? Like, publicly, yes.
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Yeah, and the last run in the fall, they listed Chet Collins on all of them. So it kind of made sense because I had taken over when he had used to do it. And then I was like, made a stink. And I was like, hey, in the spring, can you please make sure it's my name instead of his? Because it was weird. I wanted my family to come to the shows. And I would send them the link.
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No. Oh, hast du es für dich gespoilt?
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The video of Tanner meeting Jack Black. Oh, my God. Actually. Oh, my God.
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Wait, I don't get the idea. Look up Chicken Jockey.
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I don't think this is it. We're gonna be here all night.
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Every day. What the hell is going on?
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Dude, that's what we were just watching though. Chicken Jockey. I don't get it.
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And you were like, that's not it. Where?
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Nein, jetzt macht es alles Sinn, aber ich wusste nicht, was es ist. Ich weiß nicht, was es ist. Ich weiß nicht, was es ist. Ich weiß nicht, was es ist.
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I feel like he's gonna come into work on Friday and be so bummed if something insane doesn't happen.
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Well, you missed softball on Monday. We lost again. I don't understand.
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Dude, no, the other teams, it's like there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah.
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Er hat es schon lange nicht gespielt.
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It'd be so scary getting into that with no...
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Als ich wirklich klein war, glaube ich, wie ein Veteraner. Und dann wahrscheinlich ein Sänger.
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So you sent her the photo. Wait, so, yeah, I love that.
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Wait, okay. Really quick. Well, I know, and it made me think of this comment. Someone left a comment, and they were like... Sorry. No, you're good. This is not that important. I just thought it was funny. Someone left a comment and they were like, I love how every time the boys talk about food, Lauren has to look up a picture of it.
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A visual learner. And I get really hungry.
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Like, holy shit, this looks, the pretzel bun.
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Wow, that actually sounded kind of cool. Yes.
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Have you seen Django Unchained? Yeah, we're guys.
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Um, no, but it's whatever we look up, I can just look up afterwards and I will still be able to show the playmates. That's okay. It's fine. It's a learning time. And number 96.
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I was crossing to my car and they just weren't stopping. They're going really fast.
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Scott was talking about it the other night. Oh yeah, with Ty. So fun.
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Warum sind es 150 von denen? Von der Schuhe gestern. Was war die Schuhe? Ich weiß es nicht. Sie brauchten diese für die Schuhe oder war es ein Snack? Nein, sie haben Eichs-Sandwiches bestellt und sie hatten sie nur in der Packung für einen Grund.
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Das ist so gut. Das ist einer meiner Lieblings-Kandys. Dude, there's a trash.
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You what? That's the same weekend I leave.
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He's causing a big scene. Like he does. Chester's coming.
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Alright, we'll just drink some water and yeah.
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Podcast meltdown. Ew, Jack. Please don't do that. It's disgusting. No, I have to cut that. He was just swishing around his water.
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He rocks in your house and he rocks in your yard.
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Rocks in my yard. The guy who just broke his lawnmower.
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No, I know, you just said, this will be the third. Oh, well, I added the song.
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Well, you said that you would add them to the playlist when it comes out. This isn't coming out for a week. So you just spoiled it. Hold them back.
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I like how you, as if you didn't ask four people yesterday if you should do it or not. Like, you've I think it's funny. No, it's fine. I'll be the judge of that. You will think it's funny. Is it the team one?
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Also, möchtet ihr nicht mehr Permanente machen?
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Pitches. First pitch is from Anna Stacy. She says, hi Alvin, Simon, and Theodore. Simon!
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So I'm Alvin? Yeah. That makes sense.
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Reg. Okay. What is the worst part about having to take prerequisites at college?
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Wait, Mom, if you're listening right now, love you, but my mom texted me the other day and was like, is Rusty serious about this drinking thing? I was like, no, Mom, it's a joke. She was actually concerned.
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Alright, alright. Anna says the worst part about taking prereqs at college is taking psychology and philosophy classes where everyone just trauma dumps the whole time. With the voting booth, each time you leave class, you get one anonymous vote to put a classmate who has too much to say on probation from the class.
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If they get enough votes, they are permanently banished from the class and will not receive a refund. Everyone who voted for that person will get to share the spoils of their refund instead. Anyways, me and my dog love the pod. Peace and love.
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Guys, I picked Florida. Did you even realize that I... No, I was... I can't hear you. I think your mic's cut out. Isn't that kind of crazy? I didn't watch one game and I didn't even know how to log into my account, but I won. You won the whole thing?
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My mom asked if I want any money and I said, I don't know.
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I came in. Well, dude, it's not my name. It's like ESPN something, something, something.
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That name looks familiar. Sounds familiar.
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All right. Thank you, Anna. I cannot wait for team bonding lunch. Oh, wet and sandy feet. You have to put socks over your wet feet before you do it. That's wrong, Rusty. It's actually hot feet. Wait, he wrote that? He wrote that. They know you guys. Hot feet.
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My idea is a small refrigerator to keep in your room that can hold three to five pairs of shoes, keeping them at around 40 degrees, perfect for having nice cold feet on a hot summer day. Just finish a day of work and you come home with sweaty feet? Go on over to the feet refrigerator and switch to a nice pair of cold shoes while your work shoes cool off.
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Danke, dritte Flur-Band. Danke, Anastasia. Ich liebe euch alle.
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Well, Jack, don't let someone else's success take away from your own success.
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100%, yeah. You don't just lose your... It's not just gone.
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You actually need to text Edge and tell him that we need to do a team lunch.
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I've actually haven't had that in years.
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Wait, I don't think you told this story.
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This was like a national... No, I don't think you told this. Wait, can you just give a brief?
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No, I wasn't. No, it was literally... Wait, talk in your mic.
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Warte, könnte das wirklich schlecht gewesen sein?
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Ich bin so gespannt auf die Brücke. Ich muss das visualisieren.
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You guys are pranking me. Is this real?
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Du prankst mich. Schau dir das erste Mal an. Das ist nicht, das ist 2022.
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Ich dachte, warum habe ich nie diese near-death-Erfahrung gehört? Das wäre die verrückte Geschichte.
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Ich habe es. Ist es der weiße Tiger? Ein weißer Tiger?
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We got 10 minutes left. Not even. I'm ordering my lunch.
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Oh no, dry. I have aquaphor if you want some.
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The other episode we also named revolved around Cousin Island. I think that what happened was... I'm pretty sure.
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I actually can't believe you've done it five episodes in a row. Seven times. Get this man on Cousin Island.
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Oh wow, this is the first time in a while where we're actually recording.
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Yeah, dude, I wrote on it on the episode. I wrote crazy timing, rest in peace. Sorry about that, Val.
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Should we change the question at the end?
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Or maybe one... Let's do Rosebud and Thorn.
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I'm so sorry. Okay, my Rose of the Week was probably House Sitting for My Old Neighbors again. Ich liebe es, mit diesen Beagles zu sein und es ist einfach ein guter Zeitpunkt. Ich liebe es, bei mir selbst da drüben zu sein. Mein Bud ist... Spanien kommt schnell vor. Ich freue mich sehr darauf.
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Ich denke, ich werde vorher eine neue Kamera-Lens kaufen, weil die, die ich jetzt habe, ziemlich schwer ist. Wenn jemand Fotografen ist, der Lenses kennt, habe ich eine 24-70mm-Lens und das ist sehr schwer. Also versuche ich eine kleinere, einfach kompaktere, also freue ich mich darauf. Ja, ich denke manchmal, wenn du so viel trinkst...
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Your red one? Well, I just, when I was editing the pod, you were like, oh, I'm totally gonna wear this to the concert. I said I might. Your mouth was cashing.
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Yeah, nobody believes, whenever you guys say your height, no one ever believes it.
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Well, I will say, compared to yesterday... Will, you didn't see him yesterday. He was... Every day it's gotten ten times better. You look a lot better than yesterday.
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Ich schlug mich um und du warst so... Alter, ich habe meinen Nase gescruncht.
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Triple, triple, triple, what you gonna sipple? Sippin' on a triple all day long. So that is a slogan, sort of a theme song I'm working on pitching them. If you guys are listening, let me know what you think. I tripled it up this weekend. What's new?
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You're getting tired of hearing the same old story, but I had a few triples on Sunday, and I went on a walk, and I listened to music, and then I got an enchilada and taco combo from the taco place by my house. So you could say I had a pretty epic day. And, yeah, they're 15 to 20 calories. They got amazing flavors, lime, grapefruit, cherry, lemon. It's real THC, fruit juice, seltzer water.
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It's awesome. I mean, I'm beating a dead horse here. If you listen to this episode, if you listen to this podcast.
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It will be available in Illinois, Arizona, and Ohio by the end of the year.
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Let's get back into the episode. On Friday, I went to Nick Filo's big 30th birthday party.
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Oh, right. I forgot we recorded on Friday.
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No, but it was a great time. But towards the end of the night, this guy came up to me. It was, like, very, very end of the night.
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and uh and then i was like oh sorry are we good to be here and then he was like what and i was like oh my god i'm sorry i thought you worked here because i thought he was like a guy and he's like why because of this jacket and i was like oh yeah uh yeah just because it's like all black or something he's like this is a 500 jacket you have no idea you don't even know do you and i was like oh well no but it's great i'm sorry i just said jagged dude yeah and he's like and uh
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And then he's like, here, I got this extra beer. You want it? And I was like, all right, sure. So I'm drinking, which maybe I shouldn't have said yes. This guy was kind of weird.
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I feel like there's a cool name for it.
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No, what does Mac have in Always Sunny?
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Heroic move. I had Uber Eats open. And I was like, I'm not going to – I just should go to bed.
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We get to the gas pump. I'm paying $20. My buddy with the pickup truck is paying $70. It was game over.
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Yeah, because it's way more fuel efficient.
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So I guess that makes sense, though. LA people would be watching the Oscars.
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Dude, thank you. I heard that. No, I heard that and turned to Scott.
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Well, then I just want like a shepherd's pie or like a beef stew right now. Yeah. That sounds awesome. Maybe I'll get soup today.
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Yeah, break before you turn it. It's like you use it like bread. So you would need it packaged safely so it doesn't break before.
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I don't know about that, but I guess I can't knock it until I try it. I used to dip my Cheez-Its in applesauce for years.
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Every day when I got home from school. For years? In high school. I would get home from school and I would grab a box of Cheez-Its and a thing of applesauce. Were you high? No. I didn't smoke weed. I just ate Cheez-Its and applesauce.
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Are we recording now? Yep. Play date. Play date episode 86.
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Yeah, fucking piano. You and your fucking piano lessons, Lauren. Sorry. I was just ragging on you. I don't know. What?
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No, you guys don't drink coffee. I drink mug water.
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So then why are you saying short? Like, that's crazy. That's a very relatable experience.
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And so it's just a nice little thing so that you... It feels like you hate it.
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As you all know by now, we've teamed up with BetMGM this season. We'll be using BetMGM lines to make all our picks and we'll have special offers for all of our listeners each week.
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He probably wishes he could have one big chip in his sandwich, too.
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All right. I've got Michael Pavonka. Michael Pavonka.
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I feel like the keys on the outside are kind of cool.
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And I was like, what? She was like, do you even know where Carhartt started, honey? And I was like...
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Yeah, I was... It was like... I was like, what? Where the company started? No, I guess I don't know.
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Yeah, she was. And I was like... No, I'll say it now because she was an asshole. Her ass was old, if you're listening.
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Bro, not me literally acting crazy. All right. Oh, I saw this. Oh, all right. This is a monkey.
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Pelican. Really? Why is that? Hang out by the ocean. Big mouth.
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With what? I'm just saying, everyone's going to, like, it's just lonely.
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I think I had too many bagels. Like a joke.
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My aunt, Ellen, lived in Santa Monica for a long time. And there was some like, I don't know if it was like Drizzly or like something like that.
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I don't know. I've never seen Camp Rock.
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Yeah, looked like she was... Wait, did I tell you who was in front of me ordering a juice today? No. Kesha.
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really you did tell me this did i not say it on the pod though i don't know if i know i went to when my friends were visiting like two weekends ago we were ordering coffee yeah and i was like i i follow on instagram for some reason so i recognized oh my god i think that's fucking kesha and sure enough then i look closer and she had a necklace on that kesha really yeah sort of god no i remember when you told me this did you say um did you say on the clock
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Al Pacino. No, no, no. I can get this. I can get this. I can get this.
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Oh, my God. Damn, she looks good for 89.
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I got a game called Soul. New board game. Guy sent it to me.
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On Saturday night, me and Luke Knoll and Angus and Tyler played Cosmic Encounter. Nice. It's all alien and like spaceships and shit. So that was my new game. And then a pod listener sent me this game he made called Soul. That's awesome. How did he get it to you? Very carefully.
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uh and uh he dm'd me and i i think you sent it in the group in our group chat oh yeah because he dm'd the account too and then i gave him my address and he sent it and i haven't cracked into it yet but i'm excited so if anyone else out there has made a board game dm me i will send you know what the premise is yeah it's the last days of a star um oh that's sick yeah like a dying star yes yeah what happens when it collapses
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Oh, also. No, no, no, please. Have we talked? I guess we recorded after our last softball game. But we're horrible.
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Been a long time. Last year, maybe? Oh, and you're still high from it.
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No, I didn't go. I wanted to go. But if you went... What the event was.
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Yeah, they would dance. I think people would ask them questions. They would all be up on stage and the girls would just be screaming at them, basically.
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Yeah, I wanted them to give me a little kiss on the cheek, probably. I didn't have feelings towards anyone until I was like 20. That's true. That's another thing.
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I just remembered something that someone DM me the other day. Speaking of textbooks or what were you just talking about?
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Um, Maddie gave, he damned me the other day and she goes, wait, really? She goes, hi, bacon, egg, and cheese. Not a pitch, but I had to share what I stumbled across in my media and society class. Reading a chapter in my textbook and under the subtitle, popular influencers is a picture of none other than Mr. Immediately, and I mean immediately. You? In a textbook? Yeah, you're in a textbook. How?
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Isn't that insane? Is there a photo? Dude, that just reminded me. I will go check. Isn't that crazy?
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i'm more concerned obviously that's very cool i'm a little concerned about what they're what are they teaching you guys okay okay she sent it i'll air drop the video just now no no no um the other day she says i have the ebooks come through she sent it like in the mail she says i have the ebook so this looks less impressive but real live collegiate level literature pull this up this is sick i'm in a textbook yeah
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It's your feet. Wait, I'm going to ask her to send me a screenshot of the... Lauren, can you read the paragraph before?
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It doesn't say your name. It's just about what influencers are.
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I mean, it's why. It's your feed. It's on the internet. It's probably...
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I'm so hungry. Do you guys want to get lunch after this? My stomach is grumbling. Wait, can we do like a work lunch?
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Do you guys want to also know what I figured out the other night, which I'm very bummed about?
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No, it was at work. Okay. I'm at work all the time. I was... So I'm often at work past 8 p.m. I didn't know that you could expense dinner if you're here past 8 p.m. Yeah. I was here till like 10 the other night.
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I learned this. And you were like, oh, all right. No, I learned this as I was leaving to drive home. Because like Lucas walked me to my car and then... And then... And what? Nothing. I thought you were going to say something. I was not going to say anything. Now I've lost my train of thought because you made a weird face at me. Freak.
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No, he told me that you can expense your dinner. That's how women get asked.
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No, it's scary. It's a far parking lot and there's freaks over there.
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My story was that I learned that we could get free dinner after 10 p.m. at 10.15 and I was already in my car. I'm like, well, that doesn't serve me anything.
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No, only McDonald's was open. I had every dinner two nights prior.
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No, me and Mia had McDonald's for Easter dinner. That's kind of funny, actually. And what's funny is because you can see it from our balcony.
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I think I need to get your salad today because the one I got last time didn't satisfy my needs.
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I put yours in a notes under. I put yours in my notes app. What else is in your notes app? A lot of things. Oh, crazy pictures. How many notes do you guys have? Wait, Lauren, Lauren. What? Go into your text. I have 600 notes.
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oh wait you just smirked what'd you what'd you pass over oh i don't want to read it you have to okay it um it was to me and it says my mom's sending me this after jack called me out on today's pod for how excited i was when he mentioned he bought a vape before work and because my mom sent me an article about i don't want to keep are there any about my hot bod um the other one jack's rig was looking huge today rig is your bod it's not your penis that's your wrench
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Oh, last Rusty is Jane texting me. Lolling at Rusty in this blanket episode. He has so much energy. Haha, him trying to act like a girl dancing.
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Him trying to act like a girl dancing. Like when we were doing the role play thing.
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No, I don't think that's weird. It's a newspaper. It's not, like, personal. Okay.
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Wait, yes, but one last thing on that. What is the scheduled hangout? What are you guys doing? Who prompted this? Why is it on May 1st? We...
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Yeah, this is very pre-recorded, by the way, you guys. So just ignore that.
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Deeply. Guys, I'm going to be gone for the next two episodes. Sorry in advance. Binder's going to be here. No, it's actually going to be Andrew for both of them. Andrew. Andrew. Wait for the... Yeah. Believe that name. Andrew's editing this episode.
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First pitch is from Renee Kucha. Renee says, Hey, Renee. What's up, earth, wind, and fire? Fire.
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Wind. Wind. No, I actually want to be fire. Fire. Because I'm a fire sign. Wind. So I have to be fire.
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What is the worst part about watching an action movie at night before going to bed?
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Renee says the worst part is that the talking slash conversation scenes are way too quiet and the shootout slash car chase scenes.
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So those loud ones are just too violently loud. So Renee says, I introduced to you Hush Rush, a sound sensor for your remote that lowers the volume during loud action scenes and turns it up during talking scenes. This way, you don't have to keep the remote in your paws and can drift to sleep if you please. This podcast rocks. You brothers are the best part of my week.
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Got me through some really bad scaries the other day and made me big happy.
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Bingo. All right. Thanks, girlfriend. Thank you, pretty. Next pitch is from Issam Tahir. Hi, Issam. Issam, or yeah, hopefully I'm saying that correctly. Issam says, what's up?
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IT. What's up, Lauren, Rusty, and Randy? Yo, dawg. I have a pitch in spite of... Why do I get to... I'm Randy. He always says... Yo, dog.
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Oh, okay. Well, he says, I have a pitch inspired by your last couple episodes where you talked about what to do if the conversation comes to an awkward silence on a date. Introducing the crash out for hire. Hmm. The Crash Out for Hire is a service where you hire a paid actor to go dine at the same restaurant as where you will be taking your date.
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If the date gets awkward or the conversation comes to a halt, simply press the button on the app on your phone and it will notify the paid actor to cause an extreme scene in the restaurant. This gives you a chance to divert your attention to said scene and also gives you a new topic of conversation. Hope y'all like the pitch. Keep up the good work, fellas and ladies.
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How good does a nice, fancy meal sound right now? A big steak, mashed potatoes. Oh, that sounds delish. A really good cocktail.
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Baby pitch. Really quick. You'll like it. You'll like it. Okay. It's Katie.
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Only one. Only one bite of your mic. Okay. One bite mic. One bite mic. Thank you, IT. Okay, last quick little pitchy is Katie Hogan. She says, hello Laverna and the fungal minions.
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blah what's the worst part of having a living space it's hard to decide what to do with it and how to decorate or what vibe it should be introducing the rusty rearrange it's a service where podcast star rusty featherstone gets tripled out of his gourd and redefines your party palace landscape and maybe even landscaping
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It would be sponsored by the Permanent Division of the Building Department with its own reality TV show. Never worry about showing your space off again. Turn your space from dusty to rusty. Love the pod. Can't wait for live podcast. I love it.
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What? Oh, that's not what I was picturing. I was picturing this.
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I thought it was like a... You cry in the bathroom by yourself.
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I got home last night and Mia was taking a bath and just like I'd hear her giggling, like scrolling on TikTok. Yeah. What?
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I thought that prank was... I thought you were going to have a freak out because you felt like the... But that wouldn't have happened because I... Yeah. Oh, shit. Honestly, that was a good test. You little freak.
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Walk all over his friends. I do not walk all over you. Walk away from conversations.
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Can you please say... I always get it approved. When have I ever let you down? If he needs a reason, say that because I'm about to leave for two weeks, we need to finalize. Yes. Make it about that.
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You can poop literally anything. Well, yeah, don't worry. It's fine. You can just...
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Comment how much you're going to miss me on a scale of 1 to 10.
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Yeah, answer that thing Rusty said and then also describe us all in one word.
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I've never been in one of those either, and I don't want to be. But there is a... Do you guys get jealous? I think a little bit of jealousy is important.
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No, this is good. This is good, juicy stuff. What is a power bottom? Like you're doing the thrusting?
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i'm gonna miss you guys so much i will see you yeah everyone pray for lauren she's going to mexico for two weeks no no no i'm going to españa same thing and thank you all for the recs i've actually gotten so many dms from people just giving me recs like on my separate on my personal instagram and i really really appreciate it it's very thoughtful go comment on lauren's most recent photo uh damn go go find my host family and tell them i died
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All right, we've immediately disqualified ourselves. Two floors, and the first floor has a lounge and a sauna.
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Have I ever told you guys about my, I was like, I loved Meg. You went. Unsurprising. No, I didn't go.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
i'm asexual?
Um, I never went, but no, I was obsessed with Nash and Hayes. Those were my, those were my guys.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
i'm asexual?
Nash's family is actually adorable. He has the cutest kids in the world.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
i'm asexual?
You did cut me off. I didn't know if you were ever going to come back. It's not really a story. It's just the fact that I remember I was at soccer practice one time. I was so excited. I really wanted to go to MagCon. Soccer practice ended and they were sold out. I was genuinely so sad. I almost started crying. I was so sad. I was convinced that I was going to date Hayes or something.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we found the most insane super bowl prop bets
Das bringt den Knie fliegend. Das bringt wirklich deine Energie.
Will & Rusty's Playdate
we found the most insane super bowl prop bets
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