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Focused People Build Wealth—Distracted People Stay Broke

Thu, 15 May 2025

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Chapter 1: How can I get my husband to allow me to have my own money?

45.76 - 66.208 Sally

Hi, thanks so much for taking my call. I'll try to be quick with my question. My husband does well financially, but he tends to be a bit controlling with money. He's always taken the inheritance I've received each year and invested it in the stock market. Recently, I received about 50K, which will probably be the last bit of inheritance for a while.

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67.086 - 83.61 Sally

Since I'm a stay-at-home mom with no allowance, I'd like to keep this money in a separate savings account in my name only. But he's adamantly against this and wants me to give him the money to invest. He said he'll give me the monthly dividends as an allowance. But I was hoping for more freedom than that.

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83.91 - 84.87 Rachel Cruze

Oh, geez, Sally.

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84.91 - 90.672 George Kamel

I don't like the word allowance used when it's not with your own child. Right.

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90.732 - 97.12 Sally

Is this how it's been your whole marriage? Yeah. Yeah, and sometimes I get an allowance and sometimes I don't.

98.621 - 101.982 George Kamel

Based on your behavior? Did you clean up your toys? I don't understand.

102.002 - 107.884 Rachel Cruze

Do you have access to y'all's checking account? Do you have a debit card to go and spend?

107.904 - 124.685 Sally

I do. I use the credit card that's both of ours for gas and groceries, but if I need to get a haircut or something, I use my debit card and I have money in there that I usually... I get money from my mom sometimes.

125.925 - 136.25 George Kamel

Why are you getting money from your mom? Because what he's giving you isn't enough to cover the things that you want or need? Right. This is not okay.

Chapter 2: Do I need to start building my credit score at 19 years old to buy a house?

355.942 - 360.405 George Kamel

And there's a lot of gaslighting where he makes you think you're the crazy one.

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360.425 - 382.641 Rachel Cruze

Yeah. Yeah, Sally, no. So right now, from what you've given us in this call, I would have my own account and have your own money in. And then that's a very reasonable step for you. And then beyond that, Sally, what we see constantly is that money is a window into the relationship, right? That this really isn't a money issue. This is that you have...

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384.279 - 409.157 Rachel Cruze

You have a jerk of a husband who treats you, which sounds horrible, unlike a team, right, that a healthy marriage would represent, that we are in this together, and I trust you, you trust me, and we're going to win, and we're going to be excited about this. It is a downplaying and manipulating and, yeah, John Wright abusive. You know what I mean? Of how he's controlling money and all of that.

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409.197 - 431.808 Rachel Cruze

Like, this is not... You're not in a healthy place, right, with your marriage at all. And so that's what I would start to target, Sally. The money is going to be there for you as a tool if you need it, if you need to get out of this marriage. But what I would be pushing him towards is we need to go to marriage counseling ASAP because I can't function like this anymore.

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433.816 - 442.479 Rachel Cruze

As a human being in this marriage. You know what I mean? Like, it's horrible, Sally. You're in a really bad situation. And I want you to feel the weight of that, that you're not crazy.

443.419 - 450.882 Sally

You're not crazy. Thank you. I can't see the forest through the trees. It's been so long, but I appreciate that. Do you have community around you, Sally?

451.042 - 453.342 George Kamel

Friends, family, people that you can confide in?

453.362 - 467.408 Sally

Yeah. Out of state, I do. So I'll be spending time with them this summer. So that will be nice, just with my son and I. So we'll have some time away for a little bit.

467.468 - 471.229 George Kamel

This inheritance, this is just yours, right? He has no legal right to this.

Chapter 3: What should I do if my girlfriend has no desire to work?

644.414 - 660.847 Jake

Hi there. Yeah, so I'm fresh out of high school. I don't have any debt. I've never taken out any loans. And I'm curious that when I start to go look for a house 10 years down the line or whenever, how will I be able to get a mortgage without having any credit?

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661.517 - 682.121 George Kamel

Oh, Jake, you were speaking my language. This is one of my favorite questions because it feels like a magic trick. You know, when people ask this question, they go, I need to build a credit and I can go through how to rent a car without a credit score, renting an apartment, all the things. But the house is the one that gets people. So that tells me you already know there's a way to do it. Yeah.

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682.381 - 686.762 George Kamel

So what have you found out in your research so far about how to buy a house without a credit score?

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687.842 - 701.821 Jake

So, I've heard different things, and it doesn't really make sense to me. Someone brought up a manual underwrite, and I'm not really sure what that is. I don't really understand what they're talking about.

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702.101 - 721.35 George Kamel

Perfect. So, when you think about the credit score, this was invented in the 90s, and all it did was make it easier for lenders to kind of do a vibe check on the people they were lending money to, right? So Jake has a high score. Great. He's a reliable borrower. We know Jake's probably going to pay back. Well, back before credit scores existed, instead of automated underwriting...

721.69 - 738.975 George Kamel

Through computers and AI and credit scores, there was something called manual underwriting, where a real person like me sits down, looks at Jake's tax returns, his pay stubs, his previous payment history on his rent and utility bills and insurance and go, oh, okay, Jake's a reliable person. He's going to pay back the money he borrowed.

739.455 - 745.897 George Kamel

And so that's all manual underwriting is, is instead of relying on a credit score, it relies on a real person to look at your financial documentation.

746.257 - 751.039 Rachel Cruze

Yeah, versus like a computer or technology doing it. It's a person. So manual versus not.

751.618 - 767.803 George Kamel

And a lot of mortgage companies, because they're truthfully just lazy, go, no, we don't do that. So people think, wow, I can't get a mortgage without a credit score. But there's a lot of companies that will do it. And the main one that specializes in this is called Churchill Mortgage. They've been a partner of The Ramsey Show for over three decades now.

Chapter 4: Can I afford a home with current debt and what mortgage should I get?

917.931 - 919.372 Derek

Nope, this is just her bachelor's degree.

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919.392 - 925.857 George Kamel

Is she just stretching it out because she's got mommy and daddy's bank attached? I'm like, sweet, why ever leave school? I'll be in school until I'm dead.

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927.332 - 936.238 Derek

That's kind of my fear. So she has two older brothers in the same situation who are 31 and 29. And they're still in school? Yeah, also still in school, never worked.

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937.098 - 942.061 George Kamel

Hey, parents, let this be your memo. Don't do this ever.

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942.201 - 944.102 Rachel Cruze

Derek, does she feel like a winner to you?

946.864 - 948.925 Derek

No, not at this particular moment.

949.085 - 951.787 Rachel Cruze

I don't know how long this relationship is going to last because, man.

954.015 - 975.02 Derek

So that's kind of where I didn't know how bad the situation was. I didn't know their work history or anything. Just recently found out that none of them have worked. Talked to her about that. And we've been dating a year. So we started talking about marriage and finances. And this is when it all started to come up of, okay, what's the plan? And what's her plan?

975.06 - 984.414 Derek

And for now, it sounds like as soon as she gets married, her Either me or a future husband is taking care of all expenses while she finishes school.

Chapter 5: Is my phone bill considered debt and should I buy a cell phone on installments?

1441.718 - 1446.987 Dr. John Deloney

So just started up, haven't even been a full year. So I would say this year, I mean, I'd be lucky if I hit 10,000. Okay.

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1448.189 - 1451.895 George Kamel

So you'd probably bring in about 60,000 this year, give or take?

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1453.097 - 1455.201 Dr. John Deloney

Yeah, I would say, you know, somewhere in that range.

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1455.706 - 1474.101 George Kamel

Okay. So number one, I would focus on building some financial foundation before you even think about home ownership. And here's what that looks like. Getting completely consumer debt free. So paying off the truck completely, paying off the credit cards completely, not going into any more debt, and then building an emergency fund of three to six months of expenses.

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1475.862 - 1486.821 George Kamel

And that might take you a year to do all of that. Yeah. And so there's a prerequisite there. Then once we have that foundation, we can begin saving up for the down payment on top of that and a separate savings account.

1486.861 - 1505.911 Rachel Cruze

Yeah. And the reason why we do that, John, is because what we find is home ownership is extremely expensive. Right. So when you when the heating and air goes out, you know, you have to take care of the yard. I mean, there's so much that goes into owning a home and it's very expensive. And so when broke people go and buy homes, they become broker owners. is what happens.

1506.391 - 1524.578 Rachel Cruze

They get in a really stressful spot. And so putting yourself in a position where you have such this like zero risk, lots of money in the bank. So when things come up, it's like, oh, that broke. We'll just fix it here out of this cash that we have. We're not having to go deeper into debt for things that happen. We have the ability to be autonomous with our money.

1524.858 - 1539.304 Rachel Cruze

And that is a very stress free way to live versus the opposite. And the opposite would be what many people do, John, they're in your situation and then they go and get a mortgage and get a home and they're dating someone. They buy a house with the person they're dating.

1539.324 - 1556.413 Rachel Cruze

And then they look up in three years, they have no money, a relationship that's broken off, but the other person still is on the deed of the home and like all of it. And it's an absolute mess. And they end up calling our show. So I'm glad you called when you did, because we want to stop. We want this to be way smoother than what we see a lot of people do. So

Chapter 6: Should I take money out of savings to start a small business?

Chapter 7: What are the risks of combining home ownership with a partner?

1022.346 - 1030.955 Rachel Cruze

Because hopefully you have the character to say, I'm an adult and I'm going to start making adult-like decisions. And now it's showing that her character isn't there.

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1030.975 - 1049.274 Derek

Yeah, that was my tester to see if she was willing to put in some effort because I want to make things work. But if I'm expected to take 100% of the financial... burden for the next 50 years. I don't know if I can handle that.

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1049.574 - 1070.168 Rachel Cruze

Right. And it's not even like a situation, Derek, where she's working and she's like, hey, but when I become a mom, I want to be full-time at home and I want my job to be that. I want to transfer home and be a full-time mom. But there's no initiative at all in who she is. And what always that fear is to me is is that it starts to bleed into other areas of your life. You know what I mean?

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1070.208 - 1085.452 Rachel Cruze

Of like this procrastination, just apathy, apathy or laziness, or like, I don't know what it is, but I'm like, man, yeah, it's just not very, it's not a lot of attractive qualities that come out of that. And I'm not saying that she needs to like, Oh, be some corporate woman climbing the ladder and working 80 hours a week.

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1085.472 - 1095.256 Rachel Cruze

It's not even that, but it's just like, yeah, I want the dignity to have my own money. I'm 26. I'm 26. And I've been in school for, For what, eight years?

1095.276 - 1103.566 George Kamel

I don't even know how you drag out a bachelor's degree for eight years. That's what I'm saying, even if it was a master's. That's honestly impressive. Is she just taking like part-time classes or like flunking every time?

1105.087 - 1115.015 Derek

She's had to retake a lot of classes where she's... Failed? Failed. Says she wants to get into, like, a master's, PhD program. Yikes, dude.

1115.055 - 1115.856 Rachel Cruze

Yeah, Derek.

1115.876 - 1123.92 George Kamel

For those reasons, I'm out. I mean, I'm sure she's a wonderful person, but this is not someone I want to continue down the path with personally, based on what you told me.

Chapter 8: How do credit unions differ from big banks and what benefits do they offer?

1741.726 - 1751.884 Rachel Cruze

Well, that was the call that Ken and I think Jade took earlier this week maybe. They were telling us that – Um, yeah. Deed to a house and they ended up breaking up and he stopped paying.

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1752.324 - 1753.044 George Kamel

Oh, I was on that one.

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1753.064 - 1753.984 Rachel Cruze

Was that you? Okay.

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1754.104 - 1755.305 George Kamel

I remember it very fondly.

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1755.345 - 1758.406 Rachel Cruze

Yes. So, I mean, it's just those situations and. Yeah.

1758.466 - 1765.188 George Kamel

She moved out, but her name was on the deed and the mortgage and they're no longer together and it's getting foreclosed on now because he stopped paying.

1765.208 - 1765.668 Timothy Plan Ad Voice

That's it.

1765.808 - 1775.491 George Kamel

And we're like, this is it. She's like, well, we don't communicate. I'm like, well, you're going to have to start to, cause you guys got into this business transaction together and the most expensive financial decision of your life.

1775.791 - 1781.934 Rachel Cruze

I know. And what's always so funny is that the advice we give, we joke that we're weird.

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