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Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Sorry.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
These are not, I mean, you can completely disagree with my opinions, but in the case of Nikki Haley, it's not like an opinion formed just from watching television, which I don't watch. It's an opinion formed from knowing Nikki Haley, so...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, it felt to the world's in the balance. I mean, it's not just like this is important stuff. Yeah, it's not just like, well, you know, what should the capital gains rate be? It's like, do we live or die? I don't know. Let's consult Nikki Haley. So if you're asking, should we live or die and consulting Nikki Haley? Clearly, you don't care about the lives of your children. That's how I feel.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Not really, no. I mean, again, it's an age and stage in life thing. I mean, I have four children, so there were times when they were little where I was terrified of dying, because if I died, it would have huge consequences. But no, I mean, at this point, I don't want to die. I'm really enjoying my life, but
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I have enormous interest in doing that. Enormous. And a couple other people are more working on it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, it's really changed my perspective, and I've been going on about how American I am, and I think that's a great thing. I love America. But it's also, you know, we're so physically, geographically isolated from the world, even though I traveled a ton as a kid, a lot, you know, more than most people. But even now, I'm like, I'm so parochial.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm so, I see everything through this lens and getting out and seeing the rest of the world to which we really are connected, like that's real, is vitally important. So I, yeah, I mean, at this stage, I don't kind of need to do it, but I really want to, just motivated by curiosity and trying to expand my own mind.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
and not be closed-minded and really see the fullest perspective I possibly can in order to render wise judgments. I mean, that's like the whole journey of life.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I would, I, there's no, I've only met Rogan once and I, and I liked him. I met him at the UFC in New York. He was with somebody, a mutual friend of ours. And I, you know, Rogan changed media. I mean, maybe more than anybody. And he did it, what I love about, what I admire about Rogan without knowing him beyond meeting him that one time. I mean, I'm still in media, but I've always been in media.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, it's like not a great surprise. I'm doing what I've always done, just a different format. But Rogan, like he's got one of those resumes that I admire. You know, I like the guy who was like, I was a longshoreman. I was a short order cook. I was an astrophysicist. I was like, he's called a man of parts. And this guy was a fighter, a standup comic. He hosted some, you know, fear factor.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, how did he wind up at the vanguard of like, the deepest conversations in the country. Like how did that happen? So I definitely respect that. And I think it's cool. And Rogan is one of those people who just kind of came out of nowhere. Like no one helped him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, and he's curious. So that's like the main thing. And there was a guy, without getting boring, but there was a guy I worked with years ago who kind of dominated cable news, Larry King. And everyone would always beat up on Larry King for being dumb. Well, I got to know Larry King well, and I was his fill-in host for a while. And Larry King was just intensely curious.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've been with the same girl for 40 years, and I have four children who I'm extremely close to, well, now five, a daughter-in-law, and I love them all. I'm really close to them. I tell them I love them every day. I've had a really interesting life.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He'd be like, why do you wear a black tie, Lex? He'd be like, because I like black tie. Why do you like black tie? No, no, everyone else wears a striped tie, but you wear a black one. Why? And he was like really interested. Yeah, genuinely so, yeah. Totally. And I wanna be like that. I don't wanna think I know everything. That's so boorish and also false. You don't know everything.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I see that in Rogan. Rogan's like, rah, how does that work? And people will, and it's so funny how that's threatening to people. It's like Rogan will just sit there while someone else is, you know, free-balling on some far-out topic, which, by the way, might be true, probably truer than the conventional explanation. People are like, I don't know, how can he stand that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, he had someone say the pyramids weren't built 3,000 years ago, but 8,000 years ago, and that's wrong. It's like, first of all, how do you know when the pyramids were built? Second, why do you care if someone disagrees with you? Like, what is that? This weird kind of, like, groupthink thing
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's almost like, you know, fourth grade, there's always like some little girl in the front row who's like acting as the, you know, kind of the teacher's enforcer.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
How dare you ask that question? And Rogan just seems like completely on his own trip. Like he doesn't even hear it. He's like, well, really?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Without that, man, you're destroyed. If I had a wife who was interested at all in any way in what I did, I think I would have gone crazy by now. When we get home, she's like, how was your day? It was great. Oh, I'm so proud of you. That's the end of our conversation about what I do for a living.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that is such a wonderful and essential respite from, you said, how do I not become an asshole to the extent I haven't? I kind of have. But how do I not become
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
been you know transformed into a totally insufferable megalomaniac who like checking his twitter replies every day or every minute um it's that yeah you got to have the core of your life has to be solid and enduring and not just ephemeral and silly so the the two of you have known each other for what 40 years we've been together 40 years together 40 40 years yeah 1984.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
She was the hottest 15-year-old in Newport, Rhode Island. Sounds dirty, but I was, I'm talking about myself. I was the hottest girl.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't even know. I mean... No, I'm serious. I got married in August 91, so that's, well, it's our 33rd year of being married. Fall, the collapse of the society. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as noted.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, so, you know, you hear these people, it's actually changed my theology a little bit, not that I have deep theology, but like I grew up in a society in Southern California when I was little that was like a totally self-created society. I mean, Southern California was that root of libertarianism for a reason. It was like, that's where you went to recreate yourself.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so the operative assumption there is that you are the sum total of your choices and that free will is everything. And we never consider questions like, well, why do children get cancer? Like, what do they do to deserve it? Well, of course, nothing, right? Because that would suggest that maybe you're not the sum total. Choices matter. If I smoke a lot, I get lung cancer.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If I use fentanyl, I may OD. Got it. If I don't exercise, I might get fat. Okay. But like on a bigger scale, you're not only the sum total of your choices. Like things happen to you that you didn't deserve, good and bad. And marriage is... And I'll speak for myself, in my case, just one of them.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
To bring more information to the public. Yeah, that's it. I mean, I have really strong feelings about... what's happening not just in Ukraine or Russia, but around the world. I think the world is resetting to the grave disadvantage of the United States. I don't think most Americans are aware of that at all. And so that's my view, and I've stated it many times because it's sincere.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I could say, I mean, clearly spending time with the person you're married to, talking, enjoying each other. You know, I have a lot of rituals. We have a lot of rituals that ensure that. But... in 40 years, like you change, you're like a different person. You know, I like did drugs. I was drinking all the time when we met, you know, it's been a long time since I've been done that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm very different. And so is she, but we're different in ways that are complimentary and happy. I've never been happier. So like, how do we pull that off? Just kind of good luck, honestly. And then I see other people. No, I'm not kidding, but that's true. I think it's so important that, not to flatter yourself if you've been successful at something.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The thing I've been most successful at is marriage, but it's not really me. I mean, I haven't.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's not even humility. Humility is the result of a reality-based worldview. Sure.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Once you see things clearly, then you know that you are not the author of all your successes or failures. And I hate the implication otherwise because it suggests powers that people don't have. It's one of the reasons I always hated the smoking debate or the COVID debate. Someone would die of COVID to do another vaccine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, if you smoke cigarettes, you're more likely to get lung cancer. If you don't, if you get whatever. Cause and effect is real. I'm not denying its existence. It's obvious. But it's not the whole story. There are larger forces acting on us, unseen forces. That's just a fact. You don't need to be some kind of religious nut. And they act on AI too, and you should keep that in mind.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The idea that all- I meant the same way you said that. No, it's true. It's demonstrably true. We're the only society that hasn't acknowledged the truth of that. And the idea that the only things that are real are the things that we can see or measure in a lab, like that's insane. That's just dumb.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No. There are very few atheists. I've never actually met one. There are people who pose as atheists, but no one's purely rational. And everyone, I mean, this is a cliche for a reason, everyone under extreme stress appeals to a power higher than himself because everyone knows that there is a power higher than himself. So really it's just people who are gripped with the delusion that they're God.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No one actually believes that. If you're God, jump off the roof of your garage and see what happens. You know what I mean? No one actually thinks that. But people behave as if it's true, and those people are dangerous. And I will say, by contrast, the only people I trust are the people who know their limits.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was thinking actually this morning in my sauna, of all the people I've interviewed or met, this is someone I've never interviewed, but I have talked to him a couple of times, The greatest leader I've ever met in the world is literally a king. It's M.B.Z., Sheikh Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, who is Muslim. I am definitely not Muslim. I'm Christian, Protestant Christian.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I don't agree with his religion and I don't agree with monarchies, but he's the best leader in the world that I've ever met. And by far, it's like not even close. And why is that? Well, I could bore you for an hour on the subject, but the...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The reason that he's such a good leader is because he's guided by an ever-present knowledge of his limitations and of the limits of his power and of his foresight. And when you start there, when you start with reality, it's not even humility. Humility can be opposed. Like, oh, I'm so humble. Okay. Humble brag is a phrase for a reason. It's like way deeper than that. It's just like, no.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But my goal was to have more information brought to the West so people could make their own decisions about whether this is a good idea.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Can I, do I have magical powers? Can I see the future? No. Okay. Okay. That's just a fact. So I'm not God. But I've never seen anybody more at ease with admitting that than MBZ, just a remarkable person. And for that reason, he is like treated as an oracle. I don't think people understand that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The number of world leaders who traipse through his house or palace to seek his counsel is there's no I'm not sure that there is a parallel since I don't want to get too hyperbolic here. But honestly, since like Solomon, where people come from, like around the world to ask what he thinks. Now, why would they be doing that? Because Abu Dhabi's military is so powerful. I mean, he's rich.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
OK, massive oil and gas deposits. But like for a lot of, you know, so is Canada. You know what I mean? And no one is coming to Ottawa, Ottawa to ask Justin Trudeau what he thinks. No, it's humility. That's where wisdom comes from. You start to think like I spent my whole life like mad at America's leadership class because it's not just Biden or Trump.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
the people in official positions, it's the whole constellation of advisors and throne sniffers around them. And I'm, it's not that even that I disagree with them, it's I'm not impressed by them. I'm just not impressed. They're not that capable, right? So that's what I was saying about Nikki Haley. I don't think Nikki Haley's the most evil person in the world. I think she's ridiculous, obviously.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I just, I guess I reject the whole premise of the war in Ukraine from the American perspective, which is a tiny group of dumb people in Washington has decided to do this for reasons they won't really explain, and you don't have a role in it at all as an American citizen, as the person who's paying for it, whose children might be drafted to fight it, you know, to shut up and obey.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And everyone's like, oh, Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And what blows my mind about Sheikh Mohammed in Abu Dhabi is that everyone in the world knows it. And I've never seen a story on this. And I'm not guessing. I know this is true because I've seen it. Everyone in the world knows it. And so if there's a conflict, he's the only person that people call. Like everybody calls the same guy. And it's like, he runs this tiny little country, the UAE.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, he's the... In Abu Dhabi, there are a bunch of Emirates, but he's the president of the country. But still, and it's got a ton of energy and all that wealth and all that. And Dubai's got great real estate and restaurants. But really, it's a tiny little country that wasn't even a country 50 years ago. So how did that happen?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Purely on the basis of his humility and the wisdom that results from that humility.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Have children immediately, including in high school. Yes, I think that. That's all that matters. In the end, again, these aren't even cliches anymore because no one says them. But when I was a kid, people would say, on your deathbed, you never wish you spent more time at work. And I mean, everyone said that it was like one of these things. And now now I don't think Google allows you to say that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like, no, you're going to wish you spent more time at work. Get back to your cube. But I can't overstate from my vantage how true that is. Nothing else matters but your family. And if you have the opportunity, a lot of people are being denied the opportunity to have children. And this messing with the gender roles, and I'm not even talking about the tranny stuff.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, the, I mean, feminism has so destroyed people's brains and the ability of young people to connect with each other and stay together and have fruitful lives. It's like, nothing's been more destructive than that. It's such a lie. It's so dumb. It's counter to human nature and nothing counter to human nature can, can endure. It can only cause suffering and that's what it's done.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But fight that. Stop complaining about it. Find someone. By the way, everyone gets together. Most people get together on the basis in a Western society where there's no arranged marriages. They get together on the basis of sexual attraction. Totally natural. Get off your birth control and have children. Oh, I can't afford that. Well, yeah, you'll figure out a way to afford it once you have kids.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like it's chicken and the egg, but it's actually not. When you have responsibility, when you have no choice, this is true of men. I'm not sure if it's true of women, but it's definitely true of men. You will not achieve until you have no choice. As I always think of men, men do nothing until they have to. But once they have to, they will do anything. That is true.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Men will do nothing unless they have to, but once they have to, they will do anything. I really believe that from watching and from being one. And I would never have done anything if I didn't have to, but I had to, and I would just recommend it. And by the way, even if you don't succeed, even if you're poor, Having spent my life among rich people, I grew up among rich people. I am a rich person.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Boy, are they unhappy. Well, that's clearly not the road to happiness. You don't want to be a debt slave or starve to death or anything like that, but making a billion dollars, that's not worth doing. Don't do that. Don't even try to do that. If you create something that's beautiful and worth having and you make a billion dollars,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just, I just reject that completely. You know, I'm a, I think, I guess I'm a child of a different era. I'm a child of participatory democracy to some extent where your opinion as a citizen is not irrelevant. And, um, so I, I, I'm just, and I guess the level of lying about it was starting to drive me crazy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay, then you have to deal with your billion dollars, which will be the worst part of your life, trust me. But seeking money for its own sake is a dead end. What you should seek for its own sake is children. Talk about a creative act. Last thing I'll say, the whole point of life is to create, okay?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The act of creation, which is like dying in the West, in the arts, and in its most pure expression, which is children, that's all that's worth doing while you're alive, is creating something beautiful. and creating children. By the way, it's super fun. It's not hard. I can get more technical off the air if you want. Yeah, please. I have a lot of thoughts on it. Do you have documents or something?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No. I could draw you a schematic. Oh, thank you. But yeah, that's the greatest thing. And the fact that corporate America denies, oh, freeze your eggs, have an abortion. What? You're evil. Are you kidding? Because you're taking from people the only thing that can possibly give them enduring joy. And they are successfully taking it from people. And I hate them for it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What's your vision for it? I have no vision for myself or my career, and I never have. So I'm like the last person to explain. Yeah, I'm an instinct guy, 100%. I have a vision for the world, but I don't have a vision for my life or my career. So really, my vision extended precisely this far. I just want to keep doing what I'm doing. I just want to keep doing what I'm doing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And there was a five-hour period where I wondered if I would be able to because I feel pretty spry and alert. And I'm certainly deeply enjoying what I'm doing, which is talking to people and saying what I think and learning, constantly learning. But I just wanted to keep doing that. And I also wanted to employ the people who I worked with at Fox.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've worked with the same people for years, and I love them. So I had all these people, and I wanted to bring them with me, so we had to build a structure for that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Totally, totally. You don't want me doing your taxes. I'm good at some things, but I'm really not good at others. And more than would be like running a business. no idea. I'm not interested, not a commerce guy, so I don't buy anything. So it's like a whole thing I'm not good at. But, um, uh, luckily, you know, I'm really blessed to have friends who are involved in this, who are good at that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I feel, I feel positive about it, but mostly I am, I'm totally committed to only doing the things that I am good at and enjoy and not doing anything else because I don't want to waste my time. And so I'm just getting to do what I want to do, and I'm really loving it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
People are great just by their nature. I mean, they're super complicated, but I like people. I always have liked people. If I was sitting here with Nikki Haley, who I guess I've been pretty clear I'm not a mega fan of Nikki Haley's, I would enjoy it. You know, I've never met anybody I couldn't enjoy on some level given enough time.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I've said, and I will say again, I am not an expert on the regional, really any region other than say Western Maine. I just don't, you know, I'm not Russian. And, um, But it was obvious to me that we were being lied to in ways that were just, it was crazy, the scale of the lies. And I'll just give you one example. The idea that Ukraine would inevitably win this war.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So as long as nobody tampers with the human recipe, with human nature itself, I will always feel blessed by being around other people. And that's true around the world. Like I've never been to a country, and I've been to scores of countries where I didn't, given a week, really like it and like the people. So yeah, bad leaders are like a recurring theme in human history.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're mostly bad, and we've got an unusually bad set right now, but we'll have better ones at some point. One thing I don't like more than nuclear weapons and more than AI, the one thing that really, really bothers me is the idea of using technology to change the human brain permanently. Because you're tampering with the secret sauce. You're tampering with God's creation. And totally evil.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I literally sat there the other day with Klaus Schwab. I was with Klaus Schwab. I was like a total moron. I'm like 100 years old. I have no idea what's going on in the world. But he's like one of these guys who, speaking of mediocre, everyone's so afraid of Klaus Schwab. I don't think Klaus Schwab is going to be organizing anything again. He's just like a total figurehead, like a douchebag.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But anyway, but he was talking and He's reading all these talking points, like all of the cool kids are talking about Adapos and whatever. And he starts talking about in his survey, in his accent, he was saying, I think it's so important that we follow in an ethical way. Always in an ethical way, of course, very ethical. I'm a very ethical man.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That we follow the, you know, using technology to improve the human mind and implant the chips in the brain. And I'm like, okay. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're like as senile as Joe Biden. But what was so striking is that no one in the room was like, wait, what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, I mean, what else matters? I don't understand. I mean, I guess... Look, I don't want to seem like the Unabomber, and I'm not. We are in a cabin in the woods. No, I don't. I'm sympathetic to some of his ideas, but not, of course, sending mail bombs to people because I like people, and I don't believe in violence at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I think the problem with technology, one of the problems with technology is the way that people approach it in a very kind of mindless, heedless way. And I think it's important, this idea that it's inexorable and we can't control it. And if we don't do it, someone else will. And there's some truth in that, but it's not the whole story.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We do have free will and we are creating these things intentionally. And I think it's incumbent on us. It's a requirement of a moral requirement of us that we ask, like, is this a net gain or a net loss? What, to the extent we can foresee them, will the effects be?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
etc etc it's like it's not not super complicated so i just i prize long-term thinking i don't always apply it in my own life obviously i want to but uh i prize it and i think that people with power should think about future generations and i don't see that kind of thinking at all they all seem like children to me and like don't give children handguns because they can hurt people
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Now, victory was never, as it never is, defined precisely. Nothing's ever defined precisely, which is always a tell that there's deception at the heart of the claim. But Ukraine's on the verge of winning. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm hardly a tactician or a military expert. For the fifth time, I'm not an expert on Russia or Ukraine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
By the way, you don't want people who are 81 who are going to die anyway. Why do they care? And by the way, if your track record with your own family is miserable, why would I give you my family to oversee? Again, these are autistic-level questions that someone should answer.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Thank you.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just look at Wikipedia, Russia has 100 million more people than Ukraine, 100 million. It has much deeper industrial capacity, war material capacity than all of NATO combined. For example, Russia is turning out artillery shells, which are significant in a ground war, at a ratio of seven to one compared to all NATO countries combined. That's all of Europe.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Russia is producing seven times the artillery shells as all of Europe combined? What? That's an amazing fact. And it turns out to be a really significant fact. In fact, the significant fact. But if you ask your average person in this country, even a fairly well-informed person of good faith who's just trying to understand what's going on, who's going to win this war? Well, Ukraine's going to win.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're on the right side. And they think that because our media, who really just do serve the interests of the US government, period, they are state media in that sense, have told them that for over two years.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was in Hungary last summer talking to the prime minister, Viktor Orban, who's a, you know, whatever you think of him, he's a very smart guy, very smart guy, like smart on a scale that we're not used to in our leaders. And I said to him off camera, so is Ukraine gonna win? And he looked at me like I was deranged, like I was congenitally deficient. Are they gonna win?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, of course they can't win. It's tiny compared to Russia. Russia has a wartime economy. Ukraine doesn't really have an economy. Look at the populations. He was like, looked at me like I was stupid.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I said to him, you know, I think most Americans believe that because NBC News and CNN and all the news channels, all of them tell them that because it's framed exclusively in moral terms and it's Churchill versus Hitler. And of course, Churchill is going to prevail in the end. And it's just so dishonest that even it doesn't even matter what I want to happen or what I think ought to happen.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That's a distortion of what is happening. And if I have any job at all, which I sort of don't actually at this point, but if I do have a job, it's to just try to be honest. And that's a lie.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I guess that conversation needs to begin by defining terms. And the key term is win. What does that mean?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, of course, as a... And I should just restate this. I am not emotionally involved in this. I'm American in every sense. And my only interest is in America. I'm not leaving ever. And so I'm looking at this purely from our perspective. What's good for us? But as a human being, as a Christian, I mean, I hate war. And anybody who doesn't hate war shouldn't have power, in my opinion.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I agree with that definition vehemently. A victory is like not killing an entire generation of your population. It's not being completely destroyed to be eaten up by BlackRock or whatever comes next for them. So yeah, we were close to that a year and a half ago.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the Biden administration dispatched Boris Johnson, the briefly prime minister of the UK, to stop it and to say to Zelensky, who I feel sorry for, by the way, because he's caught between these forces that are bigger than he is. to say, no, you cannot come to any terms with Russia. And the result of that has not been a Ukrainian victory.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's just been more dead Ukrainians and a lot of profit for the West. It's a moral crime in my opinion. And I tried to ask Boris Johnson about it because why wouldn't I after he denounced me as a tool of the Kremlin or something? And he demanded a million dollars to talk to me. And this just happened last week. And by the way, in writing too, I'm not making this up. I'm not making this up.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I said to his guy, I said, I just interviewed Putin, who is widely recognized as a bad guy. And he did it for free. He didn't demand a million dollars. He wasn't in this for profit. Like, are you telling me that Boris Johnson is sleazier than Vladimir Putin? And of course, that is the message.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I guess these are really, it's not just about Boris Johnson being a sad, rapacious fraud, which he is, obviously, but it's about the future of the West. And the future of Ukraine, this country that purportedly we care so much about, all these people are dying and like, what is the end game?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's also deranged that I didn't imagine and don't imagine that I could like add anything very meaningful to the conversation because I'm not a genius, okay? But I felt like I could at the very least puncture some of the lies and that's an inherent good.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I guess it does seem like the one Putin statement that Western media take at face value. Everything else Putin says is a lie, except his criticism of me, which is true. But, I mean, I have no idea what he meant by that. I can only tell you what... My goal was, as I've suggested, was not to make it about me. I watched, you know, he hasn't done any interviews of any kind for years.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the last interview he did with an English speaking reporter, Western media reporter, was like many of the other interviews he'd done with Western media reporters. Mike Wallace's son did an interview with him that was of the same variety. And it was all about him. You know, I'm a good person. You're a bad person. And I just feel like that's the most tiresome, fruitless kind of interview.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's not about me. I don't think I'm an especially good person. I've definitely never claimed to be. But people can make their own judgments. And again, the only judgments that I care about are my wife and children and God. So I'm just not interested in proving I'm a good person. And I just want to hear from him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I had a lot of, I mean, you should see, I almost never write questions down, but I did in this case because I had months, well, I had three years to think about it as I was trying to book the interview, which I did myself. But they were all, it was all about internal Russian politics and Navalny, and I had a lot of, I thought, really good questions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then at the last second, and you make these decisions, as you know, since you interview people a lot, often you make them on the fly. And I thought, no, I want to talk about the things that haven't been talked about and that I think matter in a world historic sense. And then number one among those, of course, is the war and what it means for the world. And so I stuck to that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I could answer that. I did ask about Gershkovich, who I felt sorry for, and I wanted Putin to release him to me, and I was offended that he didn't. I thought his rationale was absurd. Well, we want to trade him for someone. I said, well, doesn't that make him a hostage? You know, which of course it does.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But other than that, I really wanted to keep it to the things that I think matter most. You know, people can judge whether I did a good job or not, but that was my decision.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't know what it would mean to ask a tough question. Clarifying questions, I suppose they would... I guess. I just wanted him to talk. You know, I just wanted to hear his perspective. Again... I've probably asked more asshole questions than like any living American. You know, I'm, as has been noted correctly, I'm a dick by my nature.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I don't, I just feel at this stage of my life, I didn't need to prove that I could be like, Vladimir Putin answered the question.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I think if I had been, you know, 34 instead of 54, I definitely would have done that because I would have thought this is really about me and I need to prove myself. No, I just, there's a war going on that is wrecking the US economy in a way and at a scale people do not understand. The US dollar is going away.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That was, of course, inevitable ultimately because everything dies, including currencies. But that death, that process of death has been accelerated exponentially by the behavior of the Biden administration and the US Congress, particularly the sanctions. And people don't understand what the ramifications of that are. The ramifications are poverty in the United States, okay?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I just wanted to get to that because I'm coming at this from not a global perspective. I'm coming at it from an American perspective.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's awful. I mean, imagine dying in prison. You know, I've thought about it a lot. I've known a lot of people in prison, a lot, including some very good friends of mine. So I felt instantly sad about it. From a geopolitical perspective, I don't know any more than that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I laugh at and sort of resent, but mostly find amusing the claims by American politicians who really are the dumbest politicians in the world, actually. you know, this happened and here's what it means. And it's like, actually, as a factual matter, we don't know what happened. We don't know what happened. We have no freaking idea what happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We can say, and I did say, and I will say again, I think, I don't think you should put opposition figures in prison. I really don't. I don't. Period. It happens a lot around the world, happens in this country, as you know, and I'm against all of it. But do we know how we died? Short answer, no, we don't. Now, if I had to guess, I would say,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Killing Navalny during the Munich Security Conference in the middle of a debate over $60 billion in Ukraine funding? Maybe the Russians are dumb. I didn't get that vibe at all. You know, I just don't, I don't see it. But maybe, you know, maybe they killed him. I mean, they certainly put him in prison, which I'm against. But here's what I do know is that we don't know.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so when Chuck Schumer stands up and... Joe Biden reads some card in front of him with lines about Navalny. It's like, I'm allowed to laugh at that because it's absurd. You don't know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They killed Dugan's daughter in Moscow. So yeah, it's possible.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
and it could be i mean the united states could also be involved i don't think we kill people in other countries to affect election outcomes oh wait no we do it a lot and have for 80 years and it's shameful i can say that as an american because it's my money in my name um yeah i'm really offended by that and i never thought that was true and i spent again i'm much older than you and so i spent my my my world view was defined by the cold war
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And very much in the house I lived in, in Georgetown, in Washington, DC, that's what we talked about. And the left at the time, I don't know, wacko MIT professor who I never had any respect for, who I know you've interviewed, et cetera. Like the hard left was always saying, well, the United States government is interfering in other elections.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I just dismissed that completely out of hand as stupid and actually a slander against my country. But it turned out to all be true or substantially true anyway. And that's been a real shock for me in middle age to understand that. But anyway, as to Navalny, look, I don't know. But we should always proceed on the basis of what we do know, which is to say on the basis of truth, knowable truth.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if you have an entire policy-making apparatus that is making the biggest decisions on the face of the planet on the basis of things that are bullshit or lies, you're gonna get bad outcomes every time, every time. And that's why we are where we are.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, of course it does. Of course it bothers me. I mean, it bothered me when I got there. It bothers me now. I was sad when he died. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the measures of, it's one of the basic measures of political freedom. Are you imprisoning people who oppose you? You know, are you imprisoning people who pose a physical risk to you? I mean, there's some subjective...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
decision-making involved in these things. However, big picture, yeah. Do you have opposition leaders in jail? It's not a free, it's not a politically free society, and Russia isn't, obviously. And as I said, a friend of mine from childhood, an American actually, he was a wonderful person, lives in Russia with his Russian, Moscow with his Russian wife, and I had dinner with him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's a very balanced guy, totally non-political person. and speaks Russian and loves his many Russian children and loves the culture, and there's a lot to love. The culture that produced Tolstoy, you know, it's not a gas station with nuclear weapons, sorry. Only a moron would say that. It's a very deep culture. I don't fully understand it, of course, but I admire it. Who wouldn't?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I asked him, like, what's it like living here? And he goes, you know, it's great. Moscow is a great city, indisputably. He said, you don't want to get involved in Russian politics. And I said, what? he said, well, you could get hurt. You could wind up like Navalny if you did. Um, but also it's just too complicated. You know, the, the Russian mind is not, is not exactly this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's, it's a Western, it's a European city, but it's not quite European. And, um, the way they think is very, very complex, very complex. It's just, it's too complicated. Just don't get involved. And, I would just say two things. One, uh, I'm not sure. I mean, I don't know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But my strong sense is that Navalny's death, whoever did it, probably didn't have a lot to do with the coming election in Russia. My sense from talking to Putin and the people around him is they're not really focused on that. I mean, in fact, I asked one of his top advisors, when's the election? And she looked at me completely confused. She didn't know the date of the election. She's like, March?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay. And I asked a bunch of other people just in Moscow, who's Putin running against? Like, nobody knew. So it's not a real election, right? In the sense that we would recognize at all. Second, I was really struck by so many things in Moscow and really bothered by, deeply bothered by a lot of things that I saw there.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But one thing I noticed was the total absence of cult of personality propaganda, which I expected to see. and have seen around the world, Jordan, for example, if you've been to Jordan, but go to Jordan in every building, there are pictures of the king and his extended family. And and that's a sign of political insecurity.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, you don't create a cult of personality unless you're personally insecure and also unless you're worried about losing your grip on power. None of that. It's interesting. And I expected to see a lot of it, you know, like statues of Putin. No, no statues of anybody other than like Christian saints. So that was like, I'm not quite sure. I'm just reporting what I saw.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
um so yes it's not a in a political sense it's not a free country it's not a democracy uh in the way that we would understand it or want i don't want to live there okay because i like to say what i think in fact i make my living doing it um but it's not stalinist in a recognizable way and anyone who says it is should go there and tell me how
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, how honest do you want me to be? I mean it when I say I felt not one twinge of concern for the eight days that I was there. Maybe I just didn't, and I feel like I've got a pretty strong gut sense of things. I rely on it, I make all my decisions based on how I feel, my instincts, and I didn't feel it at all. Um, my lawyers before I left, and these are people who work for a big law firm.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This is not Bob's law firm. This is one of the biggest law firms in the world said, you're going to get arrested if you do this by the U S government on sanctions violations. And I said, well, I, you know, I don't, I don't recognize the legitimacy of that actually, cause I'm American and I've lived here my whole life. And that's so outrageous that I'm happy to face that, uh,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
that risk because I, I so reject the premise. Okay. I'm an American. I should be able to talk to anyone I want to. And I, I plan to exercise that freedom, which I think I was born with. I gave them this long, long lecture.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But that was, um, It was, it was, let me put it this way. I don't know how much you dealt with lawyers, but it costs many thousands of dollars to get a conclusion like that. Like they sent a whole bunch of their summer associates or whatever they sent. They put a lot of people on this question, checked a lot of precedent.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I think, and they sent me a 10 page memo on it and their sincere conclusion was do not do this. And of course it made me mad, so I was lecturing him on the phone and I had another call with the head lawyer and he said, look, a lot will depend on the questions that you ask Putin. If you're seen as too nice to him, you could get arrested when you come back.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was like, you're describing a fascist country, okay? You're saying that the US government will arrest me if I don't ask the questions they want asked? Is that what you're saying? Well, we just think based on what's happened that that's possible. And so... I'm just telling you what happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, maybe, look, I don't speak Russian. I'd never been there before. Everything about the culture was brand new to me. Ignorance does protect you sort of when you have no freaking idea what's going on. You're not worried about it. This has happened to me many times. There's a principle there that extends throughout life. So it's completely possible that I was in grave peril and didn't know it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Because like, how would I know it? You know, I'm like a bumbling English speaker from California. But I didn't feel it at all. But the lawyers did. Yeah, I mean, it scared the crap out of people. You're going to look and you have to pay in cash. They don't take credit cards because of sanctions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And you have to go through all these hoops, just procedural hoops to go to Russia, which I was willing to do because I wanted to interview Putin because they told me I couldn't. But then there's another fact. Which is that I was being surveilled by the U.S. government, intensely surveilled by the U.S. government.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And this came out, they admitted it, the NSA admitted it a couple of years ago that they were up in my Signal account. And then they leaked it to the New York Times. They did that again before I left. And I know that because two New York Times reporters, one of whom I actually like a lot, uh, said, oh, you're going, and called other people, oh, he's going to interview Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I hadn't told anybody that, like anybody, like my wife, two producers, that's it. So they got that from the government. Then I'm over there, and of course I want to see Snowden, who I admire. And so we have a mutual friend, so I got his text and come on over, and Snowden does not want publicity at all. And so, but I really wanted to have dinner with him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So we had dinner in my hotel room at the Four Seasons in Moscow. And I tried to convince him, you know, I'd love to do an interview, shoot it on my iPhone. You know, I'd love to take a picture together and put it on the internet because I just want to show support because I think he's been railroaded. He had no interest in living in Russia, no intention of being in Russia. The whole thing is a lie.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But anyway, whatever, all this stuff. And he just said, respectfully, I'd rather not anyone know that we met. Great. The only reason I'm telling you this is because, and I didn't tell anybody and I didn't text it to anybody, okay, except him. Semaphore, Semaphore runs this piece saying,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
reporting information they got from the US intel agencies leaking against me using my money and my name in a supposedly free country. They run this piece saying I'd met with Snowden, like it was a crime or something. So again, my interest is in the United States and preserving freedoms here, the ones that I grew up with,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if you have a media establishment that acts as an auxiliary of or acts as employees of the national security state, you don't have a free country. And that's where we are. And I'm not guessing because I spent my entire life in that world. 33 years I worked in big news companies. And so I know how it works. I know the people involved in it. I could name them.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Ben Smith of Semaphore, among many others. And I find that really objectionable, not just on principle either, in effect, in practice. I don't want to live in that kind of country. And people are like, they externalize all of their anxiety about this, I have noticed. So it's like, Russia's not free. Yeah, I know. You know, neither is Burkina Faso.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like most countries aren't free actually, but we are. We're the United States, we're different. And that's my concern. Preserving that is my concern. And so they get so exercised about what's happening in other parts of the world, places they've never been, know nothing about. It's almost a way of ignoring what's happening in their own country right around them.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I find it so strange and sad and weird.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
look one of the things i did before i went um just because the business i'm in all of us are in and just because we live here you know we all have theories about secure communications channels like signal is secure telegraph isn't or whatsapp is owned by mark zuckerberg you can't trust okay so i thought you know before i go over here i was getting all this
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We're having all these conversations, my producers and I, about this. And I decide, you know, I'm just gonna actually find out what's really going on. So I talked to two people who would know, trust me. And it's all I can say, and I hate to be like, oh, I talked to people who would know, but I can't say who they are, but I mean it. They would know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And both of them said exactly the same thing, which is, are you joking? Nothing is secure. Everything is monitored all the time, if state actors are involved. I mean, you can keep the, you know, whatever, the Malaysian mafia from reading your text, probably. You cannot keep the big intel services from reading your text. It's not possible, any of them, or listening to your calls.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So, and that was the firm conclusion of people who've been involved in it, you know, for a long time, decades, both, in both cases. So I just thought, you know what? I don't care. I don't care. I'm not sending a ton of naked pictures of myself to anybody. Not a ton, just a little bit. 54, dude, probably not too many.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So the guys travel with three people I work with who I love, who I've been around the world with for many years and I know them really, really well. And they all got separate phones and I'm leaving my other phone back in New York or whatever. And I just decided I don't care actually. And I resent having no privacy. Um, because privacy is a prerequisite for freedom. Um, but I can't change it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I have the same surveilled cell phone and, you know, I do switch them out because there it is. Uh, because if you have too much spyware on your phone, this is true. It wrecks the battery. And no, I'm serious. It does. And we got... It was, I don't know, five or six years ago, I went to North Korea, and my phone started acting crazy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I talked to someone on the National Security Council who actually called me about this, somehow knew that your phone is being surveilled by the South Korean government. I was like, I like the South Korean government. Why would they do that? Because they want more information. They thought I was talking to Trump or whatever.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I could tell because all of a sudden, the thing would just drain in like 45 minutes. So that is... That's the downside.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, I mean, I try not to do it. You know, I'm kind of flinty Yankee type in some ways. So I don't I don't like to spend a thousand dollars with a freaking Apple corporation too often. But yeah, I do.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, they leaked it to Semaphore and they leaked it to the New York Times. Look, I would even put up, well, there's nothing I can do, so I have to put up with everything, okay? But I would probably not be actively angry about being surveilled because I'm just so old and I actually do pay my taxes. I'm not sleeping with the makeup artist or whatever. So I don't care that much.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The fact that they are leaking against me, that the Intel services in the United States are actively engaged in US politics and media, that's so unacceptable. That makes democracy impossible. There's no defense of that. And yet NBC News, Kandalinian, and the rest will defend it. And it's like, and not just on NBC News, by the way, on the supposedly conservative channels too, they will defend it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And there's no defending that. You can't have democracy if the intel services are tampering in elections and information, period.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You said, I don't have- Well, the lawyer said, no, he said very specifically, depending on the questions you ask Putin, you know, you could be arrested or not. And I said, listen to what you're saying. You're saying the U.S. government has, like, control over my questions and they'll arrest me if I ask the wrong question? Like, how are we better than Putin if that's true?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by the way, that's just what the lawyer said, but I can't overstate One of the biggest law firms in the United States, smart lawyers we've used for years. So I was really shocked by it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't believe in leaders very much. Like this whole like, oh, Zelensky's Jesus and Putin's Satan. It's like, no, they're all leaders of countries, okay? Like grow up a little bit, you child. Have you ever met a leader? Like all of the... First of all, anyone who seeks power... is damaged morally, in my opinion. You shouldn't be seeking power.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You can't seek power or wealth for its own sake and remain a decent person. That's just true. So there aren't any like really virtuous billionaires and there aren't any really virtuous world leaders. You have grades of virtue. Some are better than others, for sure. But I mean, in other words, Zelensky may be better than Putin. I'm open to that possibility.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But to claim that one is evil and the other is virtuous, it's like you're revealing that you're a child. You don't know anything about how the world actually is or what reality is.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's a spectrum. Absolutely. I'm not saying they're all the same. They're not.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I actually reject even that formulation. I don't think it's always about the leaders. I mean, of course, the leaders make the difference. A good leader has a healthy country and a bad leader has a decaying country, which is something to think about. But it's about the ideas and the policies and the practical effect of things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So we're very much caught up in the personalities of various leaders, not just our political leaders, but our business leaders, our cultural leaders. Are they good people? Do they have the right thoughts? It's like, no, I ask a much more basic question. What are the fruits of their behavior? And I always make it personal because I think everything is personal. Does his wife respect him?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Do his children respect him? How are they doing? Is the country he runs thriving or is it falling apart? If your life expectancy is going down, if your suicide rate is going up, if your standard of living is tanking, you're not a good leader. I don't care what you tell me. I don't care what you claim you represent. I don't care about the ideas or the systems that you say you embody.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's dogs barking to me. How's your life expectancy? How's your suicide rate? What's drug use like? Are people having children? Are people's children more likely to live in a freer, more prosperous society than you did and their grandparents did? Those are the only measures that matter to me. The rest is a lie.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But anyway, the point is, we just get so obsessed with the theater around people, or people, and we miss the bigger things that are happening, and we allow ourselves to be
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
deceived into thinking that what doesn't matter at all matters that moral victories are all that matters no actually facts on the ground victories matter more than anything i mean you certainly see it in this country black lives matter for example how many black people did that help It hurt a lot of black people, but in the end, we should be able to measure it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, like how many black people have died by gunfire in the four years since George Floyd died? Well, the number's gone way, way up. And that was a Black Lives Matter operation, defund the police. So I think we can say, as a factual matter, a data-based... matter. Black Lives Matter didn't help black people. And if it did tell me how, well, these are important moral victories. I'm over that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That's just another lie, you know, a long litany of lies. So I try to see the rest of the world that way. And, but more than anything, I try to see world events through the lens of an American because I am one. And what does this mean for us? And it's not even the war, it's the sanctions. that will forever change the United States, our standard of living, the way our government operates.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That, more than any single thing in my lifetime, screwed the United States. Levying those sanctions in the way that we did was crazy. And that was, for me, the main takeaway from my eight days in Moscow was not Putin. He's a leader, whatever. None of them are that different, actually, in my pretty extensive experience. No, it was Moscow. That blew my mind. I was not prepared for that at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I thought I knew a lot about Moscow. My dad worked there on and off in the 80s and 90s because he was a U.S. government employee and he was always coming back to Moscow. It's a nightmare and all this stuff, no electricity. I got there almost exactly two years after sanctions, totally cut off from Western financial systems, kicked out of SWIFT, can't use US dollars, no banking, no credit cards.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that city, just factually, I'm not endorsing the system. I'm not endorsing the whole country. I didn't go to Lake Baikal. I didn't go to Turkmenistan. I just went to Moscow, largest city in Europe, 13 million people. I drove all around it. And that city is way nicer outwardly anyway. I don't live there. than any city we have by a lot.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by nicer, let me be specific, no graffiti, no homeless, no people using drugs in the street, totally tidy, no garbage on the ground, and no forest of steel and concrete soul-destroying buildings, none of the postmodern architecture that oppresses us without even our knowledge, none of that crap. It's a truly beautiful city. And that's not an endorsement of Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by the way, it didn't make me love Putin. It made me hate my own leaders because I grew up in a country that had cities kind of like that, that were nice cities, that were safe. And we don't have that anymore. And how did that happen? Did Putin do that? I don't think Putin did that actually.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think the people in charge of that, the mayors, the governors, the president, they did that and they should be held accountable for it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're the main metrics that matter. They're the main metrics that matter. The main metrics that matter are cleanliness, safety, and beauty, in my opinion. And one of the big lies that we are told in our world is that no, something you can't measure that has no actual effect on your life matters most. Bullshit. What matters most, to say it again, beauty, safety, cleanliness.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Lots of other things matter too. A whole bunch of things matter. But if I were to put them in order, it's not some theoretical, well, actually, I don't know if you know that the Duma has no power. Okay, I get that. Freedom of speech matters enormously to me. They have less freedom of speech in Russia than we do in the United States. We are superior to them in that way.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But you can't tell me that living in a city where, you know, your six year old daughter can walk to the bus stop and ride on a clean bus or ride in a beautiful subway car that's on time and not get assaulted. That doesn't matter. No, that matters almost more than anything, actually. And we can have both. And like the normal regime defenders and morons, Jon Stewart or whatever he's calling himself.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're like, well, that's the price of freedom. Like people shitting on the sidewalk is the price of freedom. It's like, you can't fool me because I've lived here for 54 years. I know that it's not the price of freedom because I lived in a country that was both free and clean and orderly. So that's not a trade-off I think I have to make.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You can't, that is the beauty of being a little bit older because you're like, no, I remember that actually. It wasn't what you're saying. We didn't have racial segregation in 1985. It was a really nice country that kind of respected itself. I was here. And I think with younger people, you can tell them that and they're like, well, 1985, you were selling slaves in Madison Square Garden.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like, no, they weren't. You're going to Madison Square Garden and not stepping over a single fentanyl addict.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
while you're suppressing- Of course, of course. I agree with that vehemently. This is not a defense of the Russian system at all. And if I felt that way, I would not only move there, but I would announce I was moving there. I'm not ashamed of my views. I never have been.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And for all the people who are trying to impute secret motives to my words, I'm like the one person in America you don't need to do that with. If you think I'm a racist, ask me and I'll tell you. Are you a racist? Of course.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Anyway, no, but if I was like a defender of Vladimir Putin, I would just say I'm defending Vladimir Putin now. I'm not. I am attacking our leaders and I'm grieving over the low expectations of our people. You don't need to put up with this. You don't need to put up with foreign invaders stealing from you. occupying your kid's school.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Your kids can't get an education because people from foreign countries broke our laws and showed up here and they've taken over the school. That's not a feature of freedom, actually. That's the opposite. That's what enslavement looks like. And so I'm just saying, raise your expectations a little bit. You can have a clean, functional, safe country. Crime is totally optional.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Crime is something our leaders decide to have or not have. It's not something that just appears organically. I wrote a book about crime 30 years ago. I thought a lot about this. You have as much crime as you put up with, period. And it doesn't make you less free to not tolerate murder. In fact, it makes you unfree to have a lot of murders.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I just but it makes me sad that people like, well, you know, I guess this is I can't like live in New York City anymore because of inflation and filth and illegal aliens and people shooting each other. But, you know, I'm just I'm glad because this is vibrant and strong and free. It's like that's not freedom, actually, at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I thought... I mean, look... I'm one of the more unselfaware people you will ever interview. So to ask me, you know, how will this be perceived? I literally have no idea and kind of limited interest, but I was so shocked by it. I was so shocked by it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And there were two, and to the extent I regret anything and am to blame for anything, it would be not, and I've done this a lot, not giving it context, not fully explaining why are we doing this, The grocery store, I was shocked by the prices. And yes, I'm familiar with exchange rates, but very familiar with exchange rates. And I adjusted them for exchange rates.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And this is two years into sanctions, total isolation from the West. So I would expect, in fact, I did expect until I got there that their supply chains would be crushed. How do you get good stuff if you don't have access to Western markets? And I didn't fully get the answer because I was occupied doing other things when I was there, but somehow they have. And that's the point.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And they haven't had the supply chains problems that I predicted. In other words, sanctions haven't made the country noticeably worse. Okay. So again, this is commentary of the United States and our policymakers. Why are we doing this? It's forcing the rest of the world into a block against us called BRICS. They're getting off the US dollar.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That will mean a lot of dollars are going to come back here and destroy our economy and impoverish this country. So the consequences, the stakes are really high. They're huge. And we're not even hurting Russia. It's like, what the hell are we doing? One, on the subway, that subway was built by Joseph Stalin. Right before the Second World War. I'm not endorsing Stalin, obviously.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Stalinism is a thing that I hate, and I don't want to come to my country. I'm making the obvious point that for over 80 years, you've had these frescoes and chandeliers, maybe they've been redone or whatever, but somehow the society has been able to not destroy what its ancestors built, the things that are worth having, and they're a lot. And that, like why don't we have that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And even on a much more terrestrial plane, like why can't I have a subway station like that? Why can't my children who live in New York City ride the subway? A lot of people I know who live in New York City are afraid to ride the subway, young women especially. That's freedom? No, again, it's slavery. And how can, if Putin can do this, why can't we? Like what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's not, in other words, I mean, this is like so obvious. I'm a traitor? Okay, so if I'm calling for American citizens to demand more from their government and higher standards for their own society, and remember that just 30 years ago, we had a much different and much happier and cleaner and healthier society,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
where everyone wasn't fat with diabetes at 40 from poisoned food like how is that i'm not a traitor to my country i'm a defender of my country by the way the people calling me a traitor they're all like you know whatever uh they're not i i would not say they're people who put america's interest first but there's many elements like you said you don't like stalinism
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We have more central planning here than they do in Russia. No, that's not true. Of course it is. You think that's true? The climate agenda? Of course. They're telling the US government has in league with a couple of big companies decided to change the way we produce and consume energy. There's no popular outcry for that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's never been any mass movement of Americans who's like, I hate my gasoline powered engine. No more diesel. That has been central planning. That is central planning. and you see it up and down our economy, there's no free market in the United States. You get crossways with the government, you're done.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Google's a monopoly by any definition, and Google is just rich enough to continue doing whatever it wants in violation of US law. So there's no monopoly in Russia as big as Google. I'm not, again, defending the Russian system. I'm calling for a return to our old system, which was sensible and moderate and put the needs of Americans at least somewhere in the top 10. Somewhere in the top 10.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm not saying that Standard Oil was interested in the welfare of average Americans, but I am saying that there was... a constituency in our political system, in the Congress, for example, different presidential candidates are like, no, wait a second. What is this doing to people? Is it good for people or not? There's not even a conversation about that. It's like, shut up and submit to AI.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And no offense. And so I'm just- Offense taken.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah. When it's strong enough. I have no doubt. You'll be the first one to go. Well, as a white man, I just won't even exist anymore, so.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I bet when you Google my picture, 20 years from now, I'll be a black chick.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I hope so, too.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just saying that I think it's changed a lot in the last 15 years and that we need to update our assumptions about what we're seeing. Sure. And that's true up and down. That's true with everything. It's true with your neighbor's children who you haven't seen in three years and they come home from Wesleyan and you're like, oh, you've grown. That is true for the world around us as well.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And most of our assumptions about immigration, about our economy, about our tax system are completely outdated. if you compare them to the current reality. And so I'm just for updating my files. And I have a big advantage over you because I am middle-aged. And so I don't... You've called yourself old so many times throughout the summer. I don't trust my perceptions of things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I'm constantly trying to be like, is that true? I should go there. You know, I should see it. And I guess just in the end, I trust... I trust direct perceptions. Like I don't trust the internet actually. Wikipedia is a joke. Wikipedia could not be more dishonest. It's certainly in the political categories are things that I know a lot about.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Occasionally I read an entry written about something that I saw or know the people involved. And I'm like, well, that's a complete liar. You left out the most important fact. And it's like, it's not a reliable guide to reality or history. And that will accelerate with AI where history or perception of the past is completely controlled and distorted.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I think just getting out there and seeing stuff and seeing that Moscow was not what I thought it would be, which was a smoldering ruin, you know, rats in a garbage dump, it was nicer than New York. What the hell?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh yeah, of course there is. I agree. Yeah. I mean, just to be clear, I'm not... I have no plans to move to Russia. I think I would probably be arrested if I moved to Russia. Ed Snowden, who is the most famous sort of openness, transparency advocate in the world, I would say, along with Assange, doesn't want to live in Russia. He's had problems with the Putin government. He's attacked Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They don't like it. I mean, I get it. I get it. I'm just saying... What are the lessons for us? And the main lesson is we are being lied to like in a way that's bewildering and very upsetting. I was mad about it all eight days I was there because I feel like I'm better informed than most people because it's my job to be informed and I'm skeptical of everything.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And yet I was completely hoodwinked by it. I would just recommend to everyone watching this, like you think, you know, like if you're really interested, if you're one of those people and I'm not one, but it was like waking up every day and you've got a Ukrainian flag on your mailbox or whatever, your Ukrainian lapel pin or absurd theater.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But if you like sincerely care about Ukraine or Russia or whatever, Why don't you just hop on a plane for 800 bucks and go see it? Okay? That doesn't occur to anyone to do that. And I know it's time consuming and kind of expensive, sort of, not really. But you benefit so much. I mean, I could bore you for like eight hours.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I know you've had this experience where you think you know what something is or you think you know who someone is. And then you have direct experience of that place or person and you realize all your preconceptions were totally wrong. They were controlled by somebody else.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
In fact, I won't betray confidence, but off the air, we're talking about somebody and you said, I couldn't believe the person was not at all like what I thought. Mm-hmm. That's happened to me- In the positive direction. In the positive direction. By the way, for me, it's almost always in that direction.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Most people I meet, and I've had the great privilege of meeting a lot of people over all this time, they're way better than you think, or they're more complicated or whatever. But the point is, a direct experience unmediated by liars
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, so that's been, and I haven't been to Ukraine, and I've certainly tried, and they put me on some... kill him immediately list. So I can't, I've tried to interview Zelensky. He keeps denouncing me. I just want an interview with him. He won't. Unfortunately, I would love to do it. I hope you do. I do too.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But one of the things that bothers me most, I love to hear that, what you just said about Kiv, but I'm not really surprised. One of the things that I'm most ashamed of
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
is the bigotry that I felt towards Slavic people, also toward Muslims, I'll just be totally honest, because I lived through decades of propaganda from NBC News and CNN where I worked, you know, about this or that group of people and they're horrible or whatever. And then you wind, and I kind of believed it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I see it now, like, we can't even put the word Russia at Wimbledon because it's so offensive. Well, what does the tennis player have to do with it? Did he invade Ukraine? I don't think he did. Stealing all these business guys' yachts and denouncing them as oligarchs, what do they have to do with it? Whatever. Here's my point.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The idea that a whole group of people is just evil because of their blood, I just don't believe that. I think it's immoral to think that. And I can just tell you my own experience after eight days there. I think it's a really interesting culture, Slavic culture, which is shared, by the way, by Russia and Ukraine. Of course, they're first cousins at the most distant.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I found them really smart and interesting and informed. I didn't understand a lot of what they're saying. I don't understand the way their minds work because I'm American. But it wasn't a thin culture. It's a thick culture. You know, and I admire that. And I wish I could go to Ukraine. I would go tomorrow.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, you mean if I also said that? Well, yeah. I mean, of course I think that. I'm not... So, I guess... Part of it is that I'm a little, because I have such a low opinion of the commentariat in the United States and the news organizations, which really do just work for the U.S. government, I mean, I really see them as I did Izvestia and Pravda in the 80s.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, they're just organs of the government, and I think they're contemptible. And I think the people who work there are contemptible, and I say that as someone who knows them really well personally. I think they're disgusting. That I'm a little bit cut off, kind of, from what people are saying about me, because I'm not interested. So I try not to be defensive. Like, see, I'm not a tool of Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the idea that I'd be flacking for Putin when, you know, my relatives fought in the Revolutionary War. Like, I'm as American as you could be. It's like crazy to me. Ann Applebaum calls me a traitor to my, okay, right. It's just like so dumb. But no, of course they don't have no country has freedom of speech other than us. Canada doesn't have it. Great Britain definitely doesn't have it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
France, Netherlands. These are countries I spent a lot of time in. And Russia certainly doesn't have it. So that's why I don't live there. I'm just saying our sanctions don't work. That's all I was saying. And we don't have to live like animals. We can live with dignity. Even the Russians can do it. That's kind of what I was saying. Even the Russians under Vladimir freaking Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
can live like this. And no, it's not a feature of dictatorship. That's the most, I think, discouraging and most dishonest line by people like Jon Stewart, who really are trying to prepare the population for accepting a lot less. He is really a tool of the regime in a sinister way, always has been. Like, how dare you expect that? What are you, a Stalinist? It's like, no, I'm an American.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm like a decent person. I just want to be able to walk to the grocery store without being murdered. Is that too much to ask? Shut up that you don't believe in freedom. It's really dark if you think about it, you know?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You don't have to live like this. We don't have to live like this. You don't have to accept it. You don't. And everyone's afraid in this country they're going to be shut down by the tech oligarchs or have the FBI show up at their houses or go to jail. And people are legit afraid of that in the United States. And my feeling is, so? Show a little courage.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What is it worth to you for your grandchildren to live in a free, prosperous country? It should be worth more than your comfort. That's how I feel.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yes, that's why there are 61 out of 0 to 100. I don't know what the criteria are they're using to arrive at that, but I know press freedom when I see it, I try to practice it, which is saying what you think is true, correcting yourself when you've been shown to be wrong, as I have many times, being as honest as you can be all the time, and not being afraid.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And those are wholly absent in my country, wholly absent. People are afraid in the news business, I would know, since I spent my life working there, and they're afraid to tell the truth. They're under an enormous amount of pressure, and a lot of them have little kids in mortgages. I've been there. So I have sympathy, but they go along with things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like you are not allowed, if you stand up at any cable channel, any cable channel in the United States and say, wait a second, how did the Ukrainian government throw a US citizen into prison until he died for criticizing the Ukrainian government? And we're paying for that. That's why it's offensive to me. We're paying for it. And that happens all the time around the world.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Of course, but this is a US citizen and we're paying the pensions of Ukrainian bureaucrats. Like we are the Ukrainian government at this point. And like, if you said that on TV, on any channel, well, you'd lose your job for that. So like, that's not, I don't care. Norway is at the top, really, Norway. If I went on Norwegian television and said NATO blew up Nord Stream, which it did.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
NATO blew up Nord Stream. The United States government, with the help of other governments, blew up, committed the largest act of industrial terrorism in history. And by the way, the largest environmental crime, the largest emission of CO2, methane. could I keep my job? No. So how is that? We don't know that. I mean, the whole point in Norway. Yes.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, as a Scandinavian, I can tell you they would not put up with Norway for a second.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, it's not the only measurement. Obviously, being thrown into prison is much worse than losing your job. I've been fired a number of times for saying what I think, by the way. And it's fine. I've enjoyed it. I don't mind being fired. I've always become a better person after it happened. But it is one measurement of freedom.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you have the theoretical right to do something, but no practical ability to do it, do you have the right to do it? And the answer is not really, actually.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I haven't seen it, but someone characterized it to me. Which is why I pivoted against it early in our conversation about how the price of freedom is living in filth and chaos.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, for me, you know, as I was saying to you before about how it takes a long time to digest and process and understand what happens to you, or at least it does for me, I didn't understand that as a particularly significant moment while it was happening. I just got off a plane from Hawaii. I mean, I was out of it as usual. And I was very literal as usual.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so from my perspective, his criticism of me to the extent I remember it, was that I was a partisan. Well, he had two criticism. One, that Crossfire was stupid, which it certainly was. In fact, I'd already given my notice and I was moving on to another company by that point. Crossfire was stupid. Crossfire didn't help. Crossfire framed everything as Republican versus Democrat, whatever.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It was not helpful to the public discourse. I couldn't agree more. And that's why I left.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
so that was part of his critique fair i'm not sure i would have admitted it at the time because i worked there and it's hard to admit you're engaged in an enterprise that's like fundamentally worthless which it was but uh but his other point was that i was somehow a partisan or a mindless partisan which is definitely not true um it is true of him he is a mindless partisan but i am not and i haven't been for i really haven't been since i got back from baghdad at the beginning of the iraq war and i realized that
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
the Republican Party, which I'd voted for my whole life to that point and had supported in general, was like pushing this really horrible thing that was gonna hurt the United States, which in time it really did. The Iraq War really hurt the United States. And I realized that I had been on the wrong side of that. I said so publicly immediately.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
From Baghdad I said that to the New York Times, and I really meant it. I mean it now. And so to call me partisan, you can call me stupid, you can call me wrong, I certainly have been wrong, but partisan, I just didn't think it was a meaningful, I mean, it's like, that's just not true. It's the opposite of true. So I didn't really take it seriously at all. And I never thought much of him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I was like, whatever, some buffoon jumping around on my show, grandstanding. But I do think it was recorded. And by the way, that happened right at the moment that YouTube began. I think that was one of the first big YouTube videos. It was one of the first big YouTube videos. So it had a virality that, if that's a word, it went everywhere in a way that didn't used to happen in cable news.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, by that point, that was 20 years ago, as you point out. I've been in cable news for nine years. So before 2004... We would say something on television, and then it would be lost. People could claim they heard it, but you'd have to go to, I think, the University of Tennessee at Knoxville archives to get it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Suddenly, everything we said would live forever on the internet, which is good, by the way. It's not bad, but it was a big change for me, and I just couldn't believe how... And widely that was discussed at the time because I thought he was not an interesting person. I think he's obviously a very unhappy person. I just didn't take him seriously then and I don't now. But so anyway, that was it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It was a smaller thing in my life at the time than other people imagine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, so I think that, and I see this a lot, not only on the left, but people who believe that whatever political debate they're engaged in is the most important debate in the world. And so they bring an emotional intensity to those debates and they're inevitably disappointed because no eternal question is solved politically. So they're kind of on the wrong path, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And they're doomed to frustration. if they believe that. And many do. He certainly does. That whatever the issue is, so, you know, Clarence Thomas, stop being Supreme Court justice. And the implication is, well, if someone else is Supreme Court justice, we'll live in a fair and happy society. But that's just not, it's a false promise.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I think that people who bring that level of intensity to politics are by definition bitter, by definition disappointed, bitter in the way the disappointed people are. And that the real questions are like, what happens when you die? And how do the people around you feel about you? You know, those are not the only questions in life, but they're certainly the most important ones.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if we're spending a disproportionate amount of time on who gets elected to some office, not that it's irrelevant, it is relevant. But it's not the eternal question. And so I feel like he's not the only kind of bitter, silly person in Washington or in its orbit. There are many, and a lot of them are Republicans. But I just thought it was ironic.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, everything's ironic to me, but being called a Russia sympathizer by a guy who calls himself Boris, it just made me laugh. No one else has ever laughed at that. Boris Johnson's real name is not Boris, as you know. He calls himself Boris. It's his middle name. And so if you call yourself Boris, you don't really have standing to attack anyone else as a Russia defender, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think that's funny. No one else, as I noted, does. But... But Jon Stewart, like, you know, if he, there are a lot of things you could say about me, but he's much more partisan than I am. So to call me a partisan, it's like, what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's a dead, he's a very serious person in this. I will say this. And he shares this quality with a lot of comedians. I know a lot of comedians. I know a cross section of people just having done this job for a long time. And a lot of them are very serious, like about their views and they have a lot of emotional intensity. And he certainly is in that category.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's not, that's like the silliest thing. Yeah, he's a comedian for sure. He can be very funny for sure. He has talent, no doubt about it. I've never denied that. But he's motivated by his moral views. You know, this is right, that is wrong. And I just think that it's a misapplied...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
passion but do you think i'm just a comedian is um i don't think any serious person thinks i mean if you're just a comedian be and and i look i'm i i'm not trying to claim i couldn't claim that i haven't said a lot of dumb things and one of the dumbest things i ever said was when he was on our set lecturing me you know he's he's a moralizer which i also just don't really care for
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
as an aesthetic matter, but he was lecturing me about something and I said, I thought you were here to tell jokes. which I shouldn't have said because he wasn't there to tell jokes. He was there to lecture me, and I should have just engaged it directly rather than trying to diminish him by, like, you're just a little comedian. Well, he doesn't see himself that way. But I would just say this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Jon Stewart's a defender of power. Jon Stewart is never criticized. What's Jon Stewart's view on the aid we've sent to Ukraine, the $100 billion or whatever? What happened to that money? What happened to the weapons that it bought? He doesn't care. He has the exact same priorities as the people permanently in charge in Washington. So whatever he does, he's not alone in that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So does Mika Brzezinski and her husband and all the rest of the cast of dummies. But if you're going to pretend to be the guy who's giving the finger to entrench power, you should do it once in a while. And he never has. There's not one time when he said something that would be deeply unpopular on Morning Joe. That's all I'm saying. And so don't call yourself a truth teller.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You're a court comedian or a flatterer of power. Okay, that's fine. There's a role for that, but don't pretend to be something else.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I thought that was disingenuous. And I haven't watched it. I never have watched a clip one time in my life. And I don't like to watch myself on television. I never have. And that's my fault. And I probably should force myself to watch it, though. Of course, I never will. But I... I think the takeaway for me, which was really interesting and life-changing, was I agree with your assessment.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm not just, I've lost a lot of debates. I've been humiliated on television. I'm not above that. It certainly happened to me. It will happen again. But I didn't feel like it was a clear win for him at all. You know, maybe a TKO, but it was not a knockout at all. And yet it was recorded that way. And I remember thinking, well, that's kind of weird. That's not what I remember.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then I realized, no, Jon Stewart was more popular than I was. Therefore, he was recorded as the winner. And that was hard for me to accept because that struck me as unfair. You should rate any contest on points. Like, here are the rules. We're going to judge the contest on the basis of those rules. And no, in the end, it's just like the more popular guy wins. Every TV critic liked Jon Stewart.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Every one of them hated me. Therefore, he won. And I was like, wow, I guess I have to accept that reality. And you do like the reality of the sunrise. You just have, you know, you're not in charge of it. So that's just what it is.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I remember he called me a dick. And I remember even when he said that, I was like, yeah, I'm definitely a dick.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
People like... Well, I certainly have, or change. Anyway, you hope it's growth. You hope it's not shrinkage. But... But... It is cold outside. Yeah. I mean, look, I... I haven't followed Jon Stewart's career at all. I don't have a television. Like I'm pretty cut off from all that stuff. But so I wouldn't really know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the measure to me is, are you taking positions that are unpopular with the most powerful people in the world? And how often are you doing it? It's super simple, not for its own sake. But do you feel free enough to say, you know, to the consensus? I disagree. Yeah. And if you don't, then you're just another toady. That's my view.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
On the big things, look, the big things, this is my estimation of it. Others may disagree. The big things are the economy and war, okay? The big things government does can be... I mean, a lot of things government does. Government does everything at this point, but... Where we kill people and how and for what purpose and how we organize the economic engine that keeps the country afloat.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Those are the two big questions. And I hear almost no debate about either one of them in the media. And I have dissenting views on both of them. I'm mad about the tax code, which I think is unfair. I don't think we should be
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The fact that we have a carried interest loophole in the tax code and people are claiming that their income is investment income and they're paying half the tax rate as someone who just goes to work every day, it discourages work. It encourages lending at interest, which I think is gross personally. I'm against it, sorry.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the fact that we're creating chaos around the world is the saddest thing that's happening right now. And nobody feels free to say that. So that's not good. How do you hope the war in Ukraine ends? With a settlement, with a reasonable settlement.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And you know what a reasonable settlement is, which is a settlement, you know, where both sides feel like they're giving a little but can live with it. And I mean, I was really struck in my conversation with Putin by how he basically refused to criticize Joe Biden and to criticize NATO.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And it is, I will just be honest, as an American, it would be a little weird to be like pissing on Joe Biden with a foreign leader, any foreign leader, even though I don't think Joe Biden is a real person or really president. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous, but still he is the American president technically. And I don't want to beat up on the American president with a foreigner. Just don't.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Maybe I'm old fashioned. So that's how I feel. So I didn't push it, but I thought it was really interesting. And because of course, Putin knows my views on Joe Biden. He knew I applied to the CIA. So they've done some done some digging on me. But he didn't mention it. And he didn't attack NATO. And the reason is, I know for a fact, because he wants a settlement.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he wants a settlement not because Russia's about to collapse despite the lying of our media. That's just not true. And no one is even saying it anymore because it's so dumb. He wants it because it's just bad to have a war. And it changes the world in ways you can't predict. People die. Everything about it is sad. And if you can avoid it, you should. So I would like to see...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
a settlement where, look, the thing that Russia wants, and I think probably has a right to, is not to have NATO missiles on this border. I don't know why we would do that. I don't know what we'd get out of it. I just don't even understand it. I don't understand the purpose of NATO. I don't think NATO is good for the United States. I think it's an attack on our sovereignty.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I would pull out of NATO immediately if I were the US president, because I don't think it helps the US. I know a lot of people are getting their bread buttered by NATO. But anyway, that's my view as an American. If I'm a Russian or a Ukrainian, let's just be sovereign countries now. We're not run by the U.S. State Department. We're just our own countries. I believe in sovereignty.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So that's my view. And I also want to say one thing about Zelensky. I attacked him before because I was so offended. by his cavalier talk about nuclear exchange because it would kill my family. So I'm really offended by that. Anyone who talks that way, I'm offended by. But I do feel for Zelensky, I do. He didn't run for president to have this happen.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think Zelensky's been completely misused by the State Department, by Toria Nuland, by our Secretary of State, by the policymakers in the US who've used Ukraine as a vessel for their ambitions, their geopolitical ambitions, but also the many American businesses who've used Ukraine as a way to fleece the American taxpayer.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then by just independent ghouls like Boris Johnson are hoping to get rich from interviews on it. Like the whole thing. Zelensky is at the center of this. He's not driving history. NATO and the United States is driving history. Putin is driving history. There's this guy, Zelensky, so... You know, I do feel for him, and I think he's in a perilous place.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just tried to a second ago. I don't... I don't know the extent that he is in Kiev. He seems to be in the United States an awful lot, like way too much. You can do a satellite interview. You don't have to speak to my Congress. You're not an American. Please leave. That's my opinion. You got many zingers, Tucker. No, no, no. It's just heartfelt.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's bubbling up from the wellspring that never turns off. But I would say this about Zelensky. Yeah, to the extent he's in Ukraine, good man. You know, George W. Bush fled Washington on 9-11. I lived there with three kids and he ran away to some Air Force base in South Dakota. And I thought that was cowardly and I said so at the time. And man, was I attacked for saying that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I wrote a column about it in New York Magazine where I then had a column, hard to believe. But I felt that. I felt that. I think the prerequisites of leadership are really basic. The first is caring about the people you lead. That's number one. In the way a father cares for his children, an officer cares for his troops, a president should care for his people.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that leads inexorably to the next requirement, which is bravery, physical courage. And I believe in that. And I'm not like some tough guy, but I just think it's obvious if you're in charge, you know, I'm at my house and I feel like someone broke in. I'm not going to say to my wife, hey, baby, go go deal with the home invasion. I'm gonna deal with it because I'm dad.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
OK, so if you're the president of a country and your capital city is attacked, as ours was at the Pentagon. And you run away? When the Secret Service told me to. Bitch, are you in charge? Like, who's daddy here? The Secret Service? Do you know what I mean? I found that totally contemptible. And I said so. And man, did I get a lecture, not just from Republicans, but from Democrats.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, you don't know. Put yourself in that position. I was like, I don't know what I would do under that kind of stress, enormous stress, I get it. I know one thing I wouldn't do is run away, because you can't do that. And if you're not willing to die for your country, then you shouldn't be leading it. So yes, to the extent, if Zelensky really is in Ukraine most of the time, amen.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, hold on a second, let's clarify.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, the leader of Afghanistan, the U.S.-backed leader, when the Taliban came, got in a U.S. plane with U.S. dollars and ran away and, of course, is living on those dollars now. So, yeah, there's a lot of cowardly behavior. Good for him. I mean, I guess I'm looking at it slightly differently. which is what's the option? You're the leader of the country. You can't leave.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like Stalin never left Moscow during the war. It was surrounded by the Germans, as you know, for a year, and he didn't leave. And when I was in Russia, they're like, well, Stalin never left. I was like, he's the leader of the country. You can't, I mean, like, that's just table stakes, of course. I would say, but you raise an interesting by implication question, which is, you know, what about Kiev?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, you think the Russians couldn't level Kiev? Of course, obviously they could. Why haven't they? They could, but they haven't.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, that may be totally, I don't know. I don't think, I have no idea what Putin was thinking when he did that. about Zelensky. I didn't ask him. But it's a mistake to imagine this is a contest between Putin and Zelensky. This is Putin versus the US State Department. I mean, Zelensky, that's why I said I felt sorry for him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, as I said, we're literally paying the pensions of Ukrainian bureaucrats. So there is no Ukrainian government independent of the US government. And you know, maybe you're for that, maybe you're against it, but you can't endorse that in the same sentence that you use the term democracy, because that's not a democracy, right? Obviously.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He wants a settlement. He wants a settlement. He doesn't want to fight with them rhetorically. And he just wants to get this done. And he made a bunch of offers at the peace deal. And we wouldn't even know this happened if the Israelis hadn't told us, and I'm so grateful that they did, that Johnson was dispatched by the State Department to stop it. And it's like,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I think Boris Johnson is a husk of a man, but imagine if you were Boris Johnson and you spent your whole life with the Ukraine flag, and I'm for Ukraine, and then all those kids died because of what you did, and the lines haven't really moved. It hasn't been a victory for Ukraine. It's not gonna be a victory for Ukraine. It's like, how do you feel about yourself if you did that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I've done a lot of shitty things in my life. I feel bad about them. But I've never extended a war for no reason. Like, that's a pretty grave sin, in my opinion, you know?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, we're not, the US government is not allowing negotiations. And so that, for me, is the most upsetting part.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What Russia does, I'm not implicated in that. What Ukraine does, I'm not implicated in that. I'm not Russian or Ukrainian. I'm an American who grew up really believing in my country. I'm supporting my country through my tax dollars. And it's like I really care about what the US government does because they're doing it in my name. And I care a lot because I'm American.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We're the impediment to peace, which is another way of saying we're responsible for all these innocent people getting dragooned out of public parks in Kiev and sent to go die. Like what? That is not good. I'm ashamed of it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
denazification it literally means what it sounds like you know yeah i mean i have a lot of thoughts on this i don't i hate that whole conversation because it's not real it's just ad hominem it's a way of associating someone with an evil regime that doesn't exist anymore But in point of fact, Nazism, whatever it was, is inseparable from the German nation. It was a nationalist movement in Germany.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There were no other Nazis, right? There's no book of Nazism. Like, I want to be a Nazi. What does it mean to be a Nazi? There's no Mein Kampf is not Das Kapital. Right? Mein Kampf is like, to the extent I understand it, it's like he's pissed about the Treaty of Versailles. Whatever. I'm very anti-Nazi. I'm merely saying there isn't a Nazi movement in 2024. It's a way of calling people evil. Okay.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Putin doesn't like nationalist Ukrainians. Putin hates nationalism in general, which is interesting. And of course he does. He's got 80 whatever republics and he's afraid of nationalist movements. He fought a war in Chechnya over this. So I understand it, but I have a different... I'm for nationalism, for American nationalism. So like I disagree with Putin on that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But calling them Nazis, it's like... I thought it was childish. Well, I do believe that he believes it. So that's so interesting. I agree with that. Because I was listening to this because in the United States, everyone's always calling everyone else a Nazi. You're a Nazi. Okay. But I was listening to this and I was like, this is the dumbest sort of not convincing line you could take.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I sat there and listened to him talk about Nazis for like eight minutes. And I'm like, I think he believes this.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think you're right. And I agree with everything you said. And I do think that the war, the Second World War, occupies a place in Slavic society, Polish society, you know, Central and Eastern Europe, that it does not occupy in the United States. And you can just look at the death totals, you know, tens of millions versus less than half a million. So it's like...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This eliminated a lot of the male population of these countries. So, of course, it's still resonant in those countries. I get it. I just, I think I've watched, I don't think I know, I've watched the misuse of words, weaponization of words for political reasons for so long that I just don't like, though I do engage in it sometime, and I'm sorry. I don't like just dismissing people in a word.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, he's a Nazi. He's a liberal or whatever. It's like, tell me what you mean. What don't you like about what they're doing or saying? And Nazi, especially, it's like, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I totally agree. Plus, can you negotiate with a Nazi?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yes. That's all. Of course, I don't know, but I suspect you're right on both counts. But I would say it points to something that I've thought more and more since I did that interview, which was like two weeks ago, I guess. I didn't think he was like as a PR guy, not very good, like not good at telling his own story. You know, the story of the current war in Ukraine is the
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
eastward expansion of NATO and scaring the shit out of the Russians with NATO expansion, which is totally unnecessary. It doesn't help the United States. NATO itself doesn't help the United States. And so I'm not pro-Russian for saying that. I'm pro-American for saying that. And I think that's a really compelling story because it's true. He did not tell that story.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He told some other story that I didn't fully understand. Again, I'm not Russian. He's speaking to multiple audiences around the world. I'm not sure what he hoped to achieve by that interview. I will never know. But I did think that, like, this guy is not good at telling his story. And I also think, honestly, on the basis of a lot, I mean, I know this, very isolated during COVID. Very isolated.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We keep hearing that he's dying of this or that disease. He's got ALS. I mean, I don't know. I'm not his doctor. There's a ton of lying about it. I know that. But one thing that's not a lie is that he was cloistered away during COVID, I know this, and only dealing with two or three people. And that makes you weird. It's so important to deal with a lot of people, to have your views challenged.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And you see this with leaders who stay in power too long. He's been in power 24 years, effectively. He's done a, you know, there have been upsides, I think, for Russia, the Russian economy, Russian life expectancy, but there are definitely downsides. And one of them is you get weird and you get autocratic. You know, like this is why we have term limits. Very few kings don't get crazy in old age.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Have you seen some of the interview he did with some NBC News child?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, first of all, I accept your criticism and I accept it as true that in some way I'm probably pivoting against what I dislike. And I have such contempt for American journalists on the basis of so much knowledge that I probably was like, I don't want to be like that. Fair. That is a kind of defensiveness and dumb. So you're right. As for the Nazi thing, I was like,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I really felt like we were just speaking so far past each other that we would never like come to, I was like, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about. And that, and especially when I decided or concluded that he really meant it, I was like, that's just too freaking weird to me.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's almost like, yeah, I can think of many other examples where you're interviewing someone and they'll say something that's like, I was interviewing a guy one time and he started talking about the black Israelites and we're the real Jews.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was like, you know, and it wasn't on camera, but I was like, I don't, that was so, it was so far out to me that I was like, we'll never kind of understand common terms on that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I'm not a health person myself. So, I mean, I can easily gain 30 pounds and not know it. So, like, I'm probably not a great person to ask. But no, he seemed fine. He seemed, he had his arm hooked through a chair. And I heard people say, well, he's got Parkinson's. And Parkinson's can be controlled, I know, for periods with drugs. So it's hard to assess.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just not, one of the tells of Parkinson's is gait, you know, how a person walks, I think. And his walking seemed fine. I walked around with him and talked to him off camera. He's had some work done, for sure. I mean, 71 or two.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, I'm 54.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I can't, you know, I feel bad even with Putin or anybody like talking about stuff that is off the record, but I'll just say that, um, when I said that he didn't wanna fight with NATO or with the US State Department or with Joe Biden because he wants a settlement, that's a very informed perspective. He doesn't. Say whatever you want about that, believe it or not, but that is true. So.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So he's open for peace, for peace negotiation. Russia tried to join NATO in 2000. That's a fact, okay? They tried to join NATO. So just think about this. NATO exists to keep Russia contained. It exists as a bulwark against Russian territorial expansion. And whether or not Russia has any territorial ambitions is another question. Like, why would it?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's the largest land mass in the world, whatever. But that's why it exists. So if Russia seeks to join NATO, it is by definition a sign that NATO's job is done here. We can declare victory and go home. The fact that they turned him down is like so shocking to me, but it's true. Then he approaches the next president, George W. Bush, that was with Bill Clinton at the end of his term in 2000.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He approaches the next president and said, let's, in our next missile deal, let's align on this and we'll designate Iran as our common enemy. Iran, which is now, you know, effectively in league with Russia, thanks to our insane policies. But, um... And George W. Bush, to his credit, is like, well, that seems like kind of an innovative good idea.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And Condi Rice, who's like one of the stupidest people ever to hold power in the United States, if I can say, who's like monomaniacally anti-Russia because she had an advisor at Stanford who was or something during the Cold War. No, we can't do that. And Bush is just weak. And so he agreed. It's like, what? That is crazy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you're fighting with someone and the person says, you know what, actually our interests align and you've spent 80% of your mental disk space on hating me and opposing me or whatever, but actually we can be on the same team. If you don't at least see that as progress, like what, why would you, if your interest is in helping your country, what would be the, what's the counter argument?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't even understand it. And no one has even addressed any of this. The war of Russian aggression. Yeah, it was a war of Russian aggression for sure. But how did we get there?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We got there because Joe Biden and Tony Blinken dispatched Kamala Harris, who does not freelance this stuff, okay, fair to say, to the Munich Security Conference two years ago this month, February 2022, and said in a press conference to Zelensky, poor Zelensky, we want you to join NATO. This was not in a backroom thing. This was in public at a press conference.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Knowing, because he said it like 4,000 times, we don't want nuclear weapons from the United States or NATO on our western border. Duh. And days later, he invaded. So, like... What is that? And if you even, I raised that question in my previous job, and I was denounced as, of course, a traitor or something, but okay, great, I'm a traitor. What's the answer? What's the answer?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
These are not, you know, Toria Nuland, who I know, not dumb, hasn't helped the US in any way, an architect of the Iraq war, architect of this disaster, one of the people who destroyed the US dollar, okay, fine, but she's not stupid. So like, you're trying to get a war by acting that way. What's the other explanation?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
By the way, NATO didn't want Ukraine because it didn't meet the criteria for admission. So why would you say that? Because you want a war. That's why. And that war has enriched a lot of people to the tune of billions. So I don't care if I sound like some kind of left-wing conspiracy nut because I'm neither left-wing nor a conspiracy nut. Tell me how I'm wrong.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's the hive mind. And I spent my whole life in DC from 85 to 2020, so 35 years. And again, I grew up around it in that world. and i do think that conspiracies of course there are conspiracies but in general the hive mind is responsible for the worst decisions it's a bunch of people with the same views totally you know views that have not been updated in decades um putin said something
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
that I thought was absolutely true. I don't know how he would know this, but it is true because I lived among them. So the Soviet Union dissolves in August of 91 on my honeymoon in Bermuda. I'll never forget it. And it was a big thing. If you lived in DC, I mean, the receptionist in my office in 1991 was getting a master's in Russian from Georgetown. He was gonna be a Sovietologist.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he was among thousands of people in Washington on that same track. And so the Soviet Union collapses. Well, so does the rationale for a good portion of the US government has been dedicated for over 40 years to opposing this thing that no longer exists. So there's a lot of forward momentum.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's a huge amount of money, the bulk of the money in the richest country in the world aimed in this direction. And it's very hard for people to readjust, to reassess. And you see this in life all the time. You know, I love my wife. All of a sudden, she ran off with my best friend. Holy shit, I didn't expect that this morning. Now it's a reality. Like, how do I deal with that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, you know, I got stage four cancer diagnosis. And it's all bad, but I'm just saying that's the nature of life. Things you did not anticipate, never thought you'd have to face happen out of nowhere. And you have to adjust your expectations and your goals. And people have a hard time with that, very hard time with that. So that's a lot of it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you're Condi Rice, sort of like highly ambitious midwit who gets this degree from Stanford and you read Tolstoy in the original, sure you did. and you spent your whole life thinking that Russia is the center of evil in the world, it's kind of hard to be like, well, actually, there's a new threat, and it's coming from farther east. It's primarily an economic threat.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And maybe all the threats aren't reduced to tank battles. That's the other thing is these people are so inelastic in their thinking, so lacking imagination and flexibility that they can't sort of imagine like a new framework. And the new framework is not that you're going to go to war with China over Formosa, Taiwan.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, the framework is that all of a sudden all the infrastructure in Tijuana is going to be built by China. And like that's a different kind of threat. But they can't kind of get there because they're not that impressive.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, it's a template for everything. And I think it's of huge significance to the development of the West, to the civilization we live in now, to world history. It was a world war. And so I think it's worth knowing a lot about and being honest about and all the rest. But it's hardly the sum total of human history. It's a... It's a snapshot.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And and so you keep hearing people refer to not even the war. No one ever talks about the war. Like what? How much does Tony Blinken know about the Battle of Stalingrad? Probably zero. There's no anything. Largest battle in human history. But he knows nothing. But he knows a lot about the cliches surrounding the 38 to 40 period, 1938 to 1940.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And everything is kind of expressed through that formula. And not everything is that formula. That's all I'm saying. And the Republicans have a strange weakness for it, particularly the closeted ones, the weird ones who have no life other than starting more wars.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
everything to them, the most vulnerable, I would say, among them, emotionally, psychologically vulnerable, the dumbest, they will always say the same thing. And it appeals to Republican voters, unfortunately, that every problem is the result of weakness. Everyone's Chamberlain. Like, Germany never would have gone in to Poland and Czechoslovakia if England had been stronger. That's the argument.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Is that true? I don't know, actually. Maybe. It might be totally true. It might not be true at all. I really don't know. But not everything is that. That's not always true. If I go up to you in a bar and I say, I hate your necktie, I'm being pretty aggressive with you, pretty strong. You might beat the shit out of me actually, or shoot me if I do that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like an aggressive posture doesn't always get you the outcome that you want. Sometimes it requires a more sophisticated Mediterranean posture. I mean, it kind of depends. It's a time and place thing. And they don't acknowledge that. It's like everything is this same template. And I just, that's not the road to good decision-making at all.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Man, it would be a massive cost for doing it. It may destroy my life to interview Putin, though I can tell you as much as I want that I'm not a Putin defender. I only care about the United States. That's 100% true. Anyone who knows me will tell you what's true. I keep saying it. But history may record me to the extent it records me at all as a tool of Putin, a hater of America.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, that seems absurd to me, but absurd things happen. What would I ask Hitler? I don't even know. I guess that I would probably ask him what I asked Putin, which is what I ask everybody. Like, what's your motive? Why did you do? I mean, if he'd already gone into Poland, like, why are you doing that? You know, what's your goal?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then, you know, the question is, is he going to answer honestly? I don't know. You know, you can't make someone answer a question honestly. You can only... sort of shut up while they talk and then let people decide what they think of the answer. Well, just like in the bar fight, there's different ways. There are different ways. That's exactly right. That's exactly, man, is that true?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That is absolutely right.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just wanted to get it on the record. That's all I wanted.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I would flip it around and say anyone who seeks to shut that down by focusing on a supermarket video of four minutes versus a two hour and 15 minute long interview with a world leader, anyone who doesn't want more conversation, who wants fewer facts, fewer perspectives is totalitarian, probably doesn't have good intent. I mean, I can honestly say for all my many manifold faults,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've never tried to make people shut up. You know, it's not in me. I don't believe in that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's horrible. I mean, I don't have much of a technique as an interviewer other than listen really carefully. That's my only skill. I don't have the best questions. I certainly don't have the best questions. All I do that I'm proud of and that I think works is I just listen super carefully. I never let a word go by that I'm not paying attention. It exhausts me, actually.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But you can't do that in a foreign language. Because there's a delay. Here I'm just whining, but it's real.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So what's happening is, so the translator, so we were, of course, extremely uptight about the logistical details. So we brought our own cameraman, who I've been around the world with, who worked at Fox, came with me now. Amazing. And he did... I mean, it was our cameras, lighting, everything. Like, we had full control of that, and we had control of the tape.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I thought he seemed nervous, and I was very surprised by that, and I thought he seemed like someone who'd overthought it a little bit, who had a plan, and I don't think that's the right way to go into any interview. My strong sense, having done a lot of them for a long time, is that it's better to know what you think, to say as much as you can honestly so you don't get confused by your own lies,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The Russians also had their own cameras, and I don't know what they did with it. But we had full control of that, and we brought our own translator. We got our own translator, because I just don't trust anyone, right? So I think we had a good translator. We had two of them, actually, because they get exhausted. But the problem is...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
from my perspective as someone who's trying to think of a follow-up and listen to the answer, Putin will talk and you can, in part of your ear, hear the Slavic sounds. And then over that is a guy with a Slavic accent speaking English. And then you can hear Putin stop talking and then this guy's answer goes on for another 15, 20 seconds. So it's super disconcerting and it's really hard.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the other thing is, it doesn't matter how good your translators are, I'm interested in language. I speak only English fluently. But I'm really interested in language and I know, and I work in language. It doesn't matter how good your translator is. In literature and in conversation, you miss so much if the language is moving for you.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, you see this in Bible study, you see it in Dostoevsky, you see it everywhere. If you don't speak Aramaic, Hebrew, Russian, you're not really getting I mean, even in romance languages. Like, I, you know, I like Balzac, okay? I like, who's obviously written in French. You read Pere Gouriot, it's an amazing novel, hilarious. And it's like, you're not really getting it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And it's not that, you know, French and English are not that far apart. Russian? Like, what?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Exactly. And my understanding of Russian is, as a lover of Russian literature and English is that it's not a simple language at all. The grammar's complex. There's a lot that's expressed that will be lost in the translation. So yes, I mean, the fact that you speak native Russian I mean, I would run, not walk to that interview because I think it would just be amazing.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You would get so much more out of it than I did.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
For sure. And Putin speaks decent English. I spoke to him in English, so I know that, but he's not comfortable with it at all.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm aware of that. It's a political decision. No, I know.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That's something I've... I don't think they're allowed to speak in Russian in some places in Ukraine, right? That's one of the reasons that Russia was so mad is that they were attacking language. And that's a fair complaint. Like what?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by the way, if you haven't been to Moscow in a while, you should see it and you will pick up a million things that were invisible to me and you should assess it for yourself. And my strong advice would be, even if you don't interview Putin, go over there, spend a week there and assess what you think. I mean, how restricted does the society feel?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, it would take a lot of balls to do this because you'll, I mean, whatever you decide, you will be sucked into conversations that have nothing to do with you, political conversations. You're obviously not a political activist, right? You're an interviewer, but I think it would be so interesting.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I approached, and maybe I did it incorrectly, but this was the product of a lot of thought. I was coming into that interview aware that he hadn't given an interview at all with anybody since the war started. So I had a million different questions, and as noted, I didn't ask them because I just wanted to focus on the war. But, I mean, there's so many. I'll send you my notes that I wrote.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And just to be yourself. And I thought that he went into it like an overprepared student. And I kept thinking, why is he nervous? But, you know, I guess because he thought a lot of people were going to see it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was like a diligent little girl. That would be amazing. All these questions. Some of them I thought were pretty funny.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, that's probably right. The question that I really wanted to ask that I was almost going to ask because it made me laugh out loud.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was sitting having drinking coffee beforehand with my producers and I was like, I'm gonna go in there, my first question's gonna be, Mr. President, I've been here in the Kremlin for two days preparing and I haven't seen a single African American in a position of power in the Kremlin. It's too culturally specific and dry. He'd be like, this guy's freaking crazy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
All right. It doesn't translate.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
you think i live in a spiritual graveyard of people killed by the quest for fame yes i have lived in it uh i mean i would say the one advantage the two advantages i have and one i've i have a happy family and a stable family and a stable group of friends um which is just the greatest blessing and um and a strong love of nature and that my family shares so you know i'm in nature every day and
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I have a whole series of rituals designed to keep me from becoming the asshole that I could easily become. But no, of course. I mean, that's what I... And I don't want to beat up on... I'm grateful to Elon, who gave me a platform. And I mean that sincerely. But I definitely don't spend a lot of time on social media or on the internet for that exact reason.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, first of all, I think it's, as I've said, a much more controlled environment than we acknowledge. And I don't want lies in my head. But I also don't want to become the sort of person who's seeking the adulation of strangers. I think that's soul poison. And I said earlier that I think that the desire for power and money will kill you. And I believe that, and I've seen it a lot.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I also think the desire for the love of people you don't know is every bit as poisonous, maybe more so. And so, yes. And it's not just because I've obviously spent most of my life in public. And in fact, I don't spend my life in public. I'm a completely private person. But professionally, I've spent my life in public. It's not just that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like social media makes everybody into a cable news host. And we were talking off the air, my new, I just, I'm obsessed with this. I don't know enough about it, but here's what I do know. South Korea, amazing country, great people. I grew up around Koreans, probably no group, if I can generalize about a group, that I like more than Koreans are just smart, funny, honest, brave.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I was totally shocked by that and very annoyed because I thought he was filibustering. I thought he would, I mean, I asked him, as I usually do, the most obvious, dumbest question ever, which is, you know, why'd you do this?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I really like Koreans, I always have, my whole life, growing up in Southern California with Koreans. South Korea is like dying. It's literally dying. It's way below replacement rate in fertility. Its suicide rate is astronomical. Why is that? It's a rich country. Of course, I don't know the answer, but I suspect it has something to do with the penetration of technology
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
into South Korean society is I think one of the highest, certainly one of the highest in the world. People live online there. And there was a belief for a bunch of reasons in South Korea that Western technology would be a liberating, progressive force. And I think it's been the opposite. That's my sense, strong sense. And I think it's true in this country too.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't understand how people can ignore the decline in life expectancy or the rise in fentanyl use. It's not just about China shipping precursor chemicals to Mexico. It's like, why would you take that shit?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, let me ask you, and I know you're a technologist, and I respect it, and there's a lot about technology that I like and have benefited from. I had back surgery, and it worked, okay? So I'm not against all technology. But can you name a technology, a big technology in the last 20 years that we can say conclusively has improved people's lives?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I love that. I love that idea. Are people better informed? Are they more superstitious and misled than they were 20 years ago? It's not close.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I couldn't agree more. You can very quickly imagine you're an expert, and that may be the problem. I think, no, I just experienced it in Moscow. It's like, again, I feel like I'm in the top 1% for information, certainly intake, because it's my job. And I had literally, and plus, and I'm always out of the country. I've been around the world many times.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he had said in a speech that I think is worth reading, I don't speak Russian, so I haven't heard it in the original, but he had said at the moment of the beginning of the war, he had given this address to Russians in which he explained to the fullest extent we have seen so far why he was doing this.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, I feel like I know a lot about the rest of the world, or I thought I did. And how did I not know any of that? And maybe I'm just like unusually ignorant or something or reading the wrong things. I don't know what it was, but all I know is the digital information sources that I use to understand just something as simple as what's the city of Moscow like were completely inadequate.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And anyway, look, I just am worried that we're missing the obvious signs. And the obvious signs are reproduction. Life expectancy, sobriety. If you have a society where people just can't deal with being sober, don't want to have children, and are dying younger, you have an extremely sick, you have a suicidal society, okay? And I'm not even blaming anyone for it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just saying objectively that is true. And the measure of a health of your society is the number of children that you have and how well they do. It's super simple. That's the next generation. We all die. And what replaces us? And if you don't care, then you're suicidal and maybe other things too. But that's all I'm saying. What happened to South Korea?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, why can't anyone answer the question? They're great people. They're rich. They have all these advantages. They're on the cutting edge of every American. For a foreign country, they're more American than maybe any other country other than Canada. And like, what happened?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, let me just ask you this. I think North Korea seems like the most dystopian, horrible place in the world, right? Obviously. It's a byword for dystopia, right? North Korean. I use it all the time, and I mean it. If in 100 years there are more North Koreans still alive than there are South Koreans, what does that tell us?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, that's something to worry about, but also— But, like, how did it happen? Like why? I'm interested in the why. This is a question I asked Putin. You know, sometimes we don't know why, but why does no one ask why?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay, then let me ask you a couple questions and perhaps you have the answer. And I've always assumed that was true. And I should say that when I was a kid, I lived in La Jolla, California, next to the Salk Institute, named after Jonas Salk, a resident of La Jolla, California, who created the polio vaccine and saved untold millions.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so my belief, which is still my belief, actually, that's a great thing. It's one of the great additions to human flourishing ever. But... If technology is so great, why is life expectancy going down? And why are fewer people having kids? And why would anybody who has internet access ever use fentanyl? What is that? What is going on? And until we can answer that question, I think we have to...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
assume the question of whether technology is a net good or a net bad is unresolved, like at best, right?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he said in that speech, I fear that NATO, the West, the United States, the Biden administration will preemptively attack us. And I thought, well, that's interesting. I mean, I can't evaluate whether that's a fear rooted in reality or one rooted in paranoia. But I thought, well, that's an answer right there.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I want that to be true. And when you said that the internet allows people to escape the darkness of ignorance, man, that resonated with me because I felt that way in 1993, four, when it was first starting and I first got on it. And I thought, man, this is amazing. You can talk for free to anyone around the world. This is going to be great. But let me just ask you this.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This is something I've never gotten over or gotten a straight answer to. Why is it that in any European city, the greatest buildings, indisputably, were built before electricity and the machine age? Why has no one ever built a medieval cathedral in the modern era ever? What is that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's a lot of people- Right, let's be specific. Pick a European city or any city in the world and tell me that there's a prettier building than, say, Notre Dame before it was set fire to.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Purely in architecture. Of course. Trees are prettier than any building, in my opinion. So I agree with that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm not discounting the possibility of digital beauty at all. And... you know, the Ted Kaczynski in me wants to, but that's too close-minded. I agree. I'm completely willing to believe there is such a thing as digital beauty. I mean, I have digital pictures on my phone of my dogs and kids, so I know that there is.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But purely in the realm of architecture, because it's like limited and it is, you know, one of the pure expressions of human creativity. We need places to live and work and worship and eat. And so we build buildings and every civilization has. But the machine age, the industrial age, seemed to have decreased the quality and the beauty in that one expression of human creativity, architecture.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And why is that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I agree with you sort of, but like the Brooklyn Bridge, I don't know that there's any modern bridges, you know, that was built in late, 19th century, yeah. Very much in the industrial age. But I'm just saying like the great cathedrals of Europe, even the pyramids, whoever built them, it doesn't, it seems like if you, it's just, it's like super obvious.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just like, I'm dealing on the autism level here. Just like, well, why is that? But that's a good way to start. If all of a sudden you have electricity and hydraulics And you have access to, I mean, I have machines in my wood shop at home that are so much more advanced than anything that any cathedral builder in 15th century Europe had.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I alluded to that in my question, and rather than answering it, he went off on this long, from my perspective, kind of tiresome, sort of greatest hits of Russian history. And the implication, I thought, was, well, Ukraine is ours, or Eastern Ukraine is ours already. And I thought he was doing that to avoid answering the question.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And yet there's neither I nor anyone I know could even begin to understand how a flying buttress was built, right?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Was the Manhattan Project a good idea to create nuclear weapons? That's an easy call.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
so the mutually assured destruction seems to have ended wars ended major military well it's been what 80 years not even 80 years 79 and so we haven't had a world war in 79 years but one nuclear exchange would of course kill more people than all wars in human history combined so
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I am counting because I think it, obviously it's like completely demonic and everyone pretends like it's great. Nuclear weapons are evil. Yeah, no, absolutely. The use of them is evil. The technology itself is evil. And in my, I mean, it's like, if you can't, that's just so obvious. And that's what I'm saying is like, I'm not against all technology. I took a shower this morning.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It was powered by an electric pump, heated by a water heater. Like I loved it. I sat in an electric sauna, you know, like I'm not, against all technology, obviously. But the mindless worship of technology? Sure. Mindless worship of anything is pretty bad. But I'm just saying, so you said, let's approach this from a realist perspective. Okay, let's.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If we think that there is a reasonable or even a potential chance, it could happen, maybe on the margins, let's assign it a 15% chance, that AI, for example, gets away from us and we are now ruled by machines that may actually hate us. Who knows what they want? Why wouldn't we use force to stop that from happening? So you're walking down the street in midtown Manhattan. It's midnight.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You've had a few drinks. You're coming from dinner. You're walking back to your apartment. A guy, a very thuggish looking guy, young man approaches you. He's 50 feet away. He pulls out a handgun. He lifts it up to you. You also are armed. Do you shoot him or do you wait to get shot? Because all the data, look, he hasn't shot you.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's not committed a crime other than carrying a weapon in New York City, but maybe he's got a license. You don't know. Could be legal. But he's pointing a gun at you. Is it fair to kill him before he kills you, even though you can't prove that he will kill you?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Right, but it turns out that you have some confidence in your ability to stop the threat by force. Are you justified in doing that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, but you are wearing cowboy boots, and they're clicking on the cobblestones. Actually, you're in meatpacking.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So the last thing you want when you're interviewing someone is to get rolled. And I didn't want to be rolled. So I a couple of times interrupted him politely, I thought, but he wasn't having it. And then I thought, you know what? I'm not here to prove that I'm a great interviewer. It's kind of not about me. I want to know who this guy is.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We've faced this. I mean, we've faced this. And the last president to try and keep, in a meaningful way, nuclear proliferation under control was John F. Kennedy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But what's your suggestion? Wasn't it inevitable? Hold on. Well, their position in 1962 was, no, it's absolutely not inevitable. Or perhaps it's inevitable in the sense that our death is inevitable as human beings, but we fight against the dying of the light anyway because that's the right thing to do.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, we were willing to use force to prevent other countries from getting the bomb because we thought that would be really terrible because we acknowledged that while there were upsides to nuclear weapons, just like there are upsides to AI, the downside was terrifying in the hands of I mean, that's the thing that I kind of don't get.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like the applications of that technology in the hands of people who mean to do harm and destroy. It's like so obviously terrifying.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, well, I mean, this is one of the reasons I wasn't afraid in the Vladimir Putin interview, because it's like, it's all ending anyway.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Might as well dance on the deck of the Titanic. Don't be a pussy. Enjoy it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Someone the other day said that Biden ascribed that to Churchill. That was a Churchill quote.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like if you live in a society where people don't read anymore... Like people are by definition much more ignorant and you like, but they don't know it. It's like, I do think the Wikipedia culture, and I think there are cool things about Wikipedia. Certainly it's ease of use is high and that's great.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But people get the sense that like, oh, I know a lot about, you know, this or that or the other thing. And it's like the key to wisdom, again, the key to wise decision-making is knowing what you don't know. And it's just so important to be reminded of what a dummy you are and how ignorant you are all the time. That's why I like having daughters.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like it's never far from mind how flawed I am, and that's important.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've had it happen to me twice. Twice is enough. It got me to quit drinking. I was good at starting fights, not good at winning them. But no, I completely agree with that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think a Western audience, a global audience has a right to know more about the guy. And so just let him talk. You know, because it's not, you know, I don't feel like my reputation's on the line. People have already drawn conclusions about me, I suppose, to the extent they have. I'm not interested really in those conclusions anyway. So just let them talk.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, my texts reflect a lot of things, including how I feel at the moment that I sent them. That specific text, I happen to know, since I had to go through it forensically during my deposition in a case I was not named in. I had nothing to do with whatsoever. It's crazy how civil suits can be used to hurt people you disagree with politically. But I was mad at a very specific person.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, really, you're asking me, I'll tell you exactly what that was. It was the second the election ended and they stopped voting, stopped the vote counting on election night. I was like, well, this is, and it's all now mail-in ballots, electronic voting machines. I was like, that's a rigged election. I thought that then, I think it now. Well, now it's obvious that it was.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But at the time I was like, I feel like there's, that was like crazy what just happened. I want, but I don't want to go on TV and say that's a rigged election because I don't have any evidence it was a rigged election. You can't do that. It's irresponsible and it's wrong. So I was like, I want the Trump campaign was making all these claims about, you know, this or that fraud.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I was trying my best to to substantiate them, to follow up on it. Everyone else like, shut up, Trump, you lost. Go away. We're going to indict you. But I felt like my job was to be like, no, the guys he's president, he's claiming the election just got stolen and he's making these claims. Let's see if we can. Well, the people around him were like so incompetent. It was just absolutely crazy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I called a couple of times, I finally gave up, but I'd call and be like, all right, you guys claim that these inconsistencies, this, you know, whatever this happened, give me evidence and I'll put it on TV. You know, it's my job to bring stuff that is not gonna be aired anywhere else to the public.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I couldn't, it was like, it was insane how incompetent and unserious- So they weren't able to provide like- Well, here's the point of the story and of that text. So then they come out and they say, well, dead people voted. Well, that's just an easy call, okay?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If a dead person voted, we can prove someone's dead because being dead is one of the few things we're good at verifying because you start to smell, okay? And there's a record of it. It's called a death certificate. So it's like, give me the names of people who are dead who voted. Then we can get their registration and we can show they voted. Five names. So I go on TV and I say...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
this caroline johnson 79 of waukegan illinois voted here's her death she died and the campaign sends me this stuff now i in general don't take stuff directly from campaigns because they all lie because their job is to get elected or whatever so i'm very wary of campaigns having been around it for 30 years so like but i made an exception to my rule and i got a bunch of stuff from them well like of the six names two of them are still alive what
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I calmed down and just let them talk. And in retrospect, I thought that was really, really interesting. You know, whether you agree with it or not, or whether you think it's relevant to the war in Ukraine or not, that was his answer. And so it's inherently significant.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I immediately corrected it the next night. CNN did a whole segment on how I was spreading disinformation, which I was, by the way. In this one case, they were right. I was so mad. I was like, I hate you. I'm not talking about you. I'm so mad. Anyway, that's the answer. That's what that was.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
My producer. And I was like venting. It's like a producer I was really close to. Yeah. I've known him for a long time. He's really smart. And he's like... He was someone I could be honest with. And I was like... And by the way, it's so funny. I mean, now I'm doing what was me, which I will keep to a minimum. But... It's like stealing someone's text. And by the way, I was an idiot.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I should have said, come and arrest me. I'm not giving you my freaking text messages, okay? But I got bullied into it by a lawyer. I didn't get bullied into it. I was weak enough to agree with a lawyer. It was my fault. Never should have done that. Fuck you. They're my texts. I'm not even named in this case. That's what I should have said, but I didn't.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I said I was mad on the air the next day, but not in language that colorful. But whatever, whatever. I try to be, I try to be transparent. I mean, I also think by the way, if you watch someone over time, you don't always know what they really think, but you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. And I have lied. I'm sure I'll lie again. I don't want to lie.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I don't think I'm a liar. I try not to be a liar. I don't want to be a liar. I think it's like really important not to be a liar.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
My texts are so uninteresting now. It's like crazy how uninteresting they are. Emojis and gifs. Yeah, lots of dog pictures.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
was it stolen it was 100 stolen like it was rigged to that large of a yeah they they completely change the way people vote right before the election on the basis of covid which had nothing to do in that way it was rigged meaning percent and then manipulated then you censor the information people are allowed to get anyone who complains about covid which is like
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
By the way, it might have hurt Trump, but I mean, it's like whatever. I mean, you could play it many different ways. You can't have censorship in a democracy by definition. Here's how it works. The people rule, they vote for representatives to carry their agenda to the capital city and get it enacted. That's how they're in charge.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then every few years they get to reassess the performance of those people in an election. In order to do that, they need access, unfettered access to information. And no one, particularly not people who are already in power, is allowed to tell them what information they can have. They have to have all information that they want.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Whether the people in charge want it or don't want it or think it's true or think it's false, it doesn't matter. And the second you don't have that, you don't have a democracy. It's not a free election, period. And that's very clear in other countries, I guess, but it's not clear here. But I would say it's this election...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It took me a while to come to this, but it's this election that's the referendum on democracy. Biden is senile. He's literally senile. He can't talk. He can't walk. The whole world knows that. Leave our borders. Everybody in the world knows it. A senile man is not going to get elected in the most powerful country in the world unless there's fraud. Right? Period.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I did my my normal regimen of nicotine pouches and coffee. No, I'm not a tea drinker. I tried not to eat, you know, all the sweets they put in front of us, which is that that is my weakness is eating crap. But you eat a lot of sugar before, as you know, before an interview and it and it does dull you. So I I successfully resisted that. But I know I wasn't nervous.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, who would vote for a senile man? He literally can't talk. And nobody I've ever met thinks he's running the U.S. government because he's not. And so I think the world is looking on at this coming election and saying, and a lot of the world hates Trump, okay? It's not an endorsement of Trump. But it's just true. If Joe Biden gets reelected, democracy is a freaking joke.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay, that may be a term of art that I don't fully understand and maybe there's like an IQ threshold or something, but I'm happy to go with degraded cognitive ability. Sure, but that's an age thing. But he's the leader of the United States with the world's second largest nuclear arsenal.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I agree with you that rhetorical ability really matters, convincing people that your program is right, telling them what we're for, national identity, national unity all come from words. I agree with all of that. But at this stage, even someone who grunted at the microphone would be more reassuring than a guy who clearly doesn't know where he is. And it And I think everyone knows that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And like, I can't imagine there's an honest person in Washington, which is going to vote for Biden by 90%, obviously, because they're all dependent on the federal government for their income. But is there any person who could say like out of 350 million Americans, like that's the most qualified to lead or even in the top 80%? Like what? That's so embarrassing that that guy is our president.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And with wars going on, it's scary. But it's complicated to understand why
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I agree. Well, it's a failure of the system. Clearly, it's not working. If you've got one guy over 80, the other guy almost at 80, like people that he should not be running anything.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think it's a really interesting question. There are a million different answers, and of course I don't fully understand it, even though I feel like I've watched it pretty carefully. But I would say the bottom line is there's so much money vested in the federal apparatus, in the parties, in the government.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
As I said a minute ago, our economy is dominated by monopolies, but the greatest of all monopolies is the federal monopoly. which oversees and controls all the other monopolies. So it's like, it's really substantially about the money. It's not ideological. It's about the money.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if someone controls the federal government, I mean, at this point, it's the most powerful organization in human history. Like it's kind of hard to, it's kind of hard to fight that. And in the case of Trump, I know the answer there. They raided Mar-a-Lago. They indicted him on bullshit charges. Like, and I felt that in myself too. Even I was like, come on.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I wasn't nervous the whole time I was there. Why would I be?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, like, whatever you think of Trump. And I agreed with his immigration views. I really like Trump personally. I think he's hilarious and interesting, which he is. But it's like, okay, a lot of people in this country, let's get some, you know, let's have a, at very least, like, let's have a real debate. The second... I messed up your cameras there. Sorry, I'm getting excited. But, um...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
know i'm 54 my kids are grown i believe in god you know i'm not i'm almost never nervous but um no i wasn't nervous i was just interested i mean i couldn't i you know i'm interested in soviet history i studied it in college i've read about it my entire life my dad you know worked in the cold war it was a constant topic of conversation and so to be in the kremlin in a room where stalin made decisions either wartime decisions or decisions about murdering his own population i just i just couldn't get over it we're in molotov's old office
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The second they raided Mar-a-Lago on a documents charge, as someone from DC, I was like, I know a lot about classification and all that stuff and been around it a lot. That's so absurd that I was like, now it's not about Trump. It's about our system continuing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you can take out a presidential candidate on a fake charge, use the justice system to take the guy out of the race, then we don't have a representative democracy anymore. And I think a lot of Republican voters felt that way. If they hadn't indicted him, I'm not sure he would be the nominee. I really don't think he would be.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Or an expression of your desire to keep the system that we had, which is one where voters get to decide. Prosecutors don't get to decide. Look, they told us for four years that Trump was like a super criminal or something. I've actually been friends with some super criminals. I'm a little less judgy than most.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I didn't discount the possibility that he had, I don't know, he's in the real estate business in New York in the 70s. Like, did he kill someone? I don't know. You know, no, I'm not joking. And I'm not for killing people, but like anything's possible.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was like, well, who knows, you know? And I didn't know. And what they came up with was a documents charge? Are you joking? And then the sitting president has the same documents violation, but he's fine. It's like, it's crazy this is happening in front of all of us. And then it becomes like, at that point, it's not about Joe Biden. It's not about Donald Trump.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's about preserving a system which has worked, not perfectly, but pretty freaking well for 250 years. I know you don't like Trump, I get it. Let's not destroy that system. We can handle another four years of Trump. I think we can, so calm down. What we can't handle is a country whose political system is run by the Justice Department, that is just, you're freaking Ecuador at that point, no.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The Chinese. It depends what you mean by powerful. Which one bats above its weight? We know. Which one is- Massage, just to be clear, I guess, is what you- Well, of course, tiny country, very sophisticated intel service. Which one has the greatest global reach in comms? Which one is most able to read your texts? I assume the NSA, but Chinese, well, clearly pretty good. Israelis, pretty good.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Um, the French actually are surprisingly good for kind of a declining country. Their Intel services are pretty, seem pretty impressive. No, I'm, I love France, but you know what I mean? And, and all that. So the, but the question, I mean, I grew up around all that stuff, but that's all totally fine. Like a strong country should have a, a strong and capable Intel service.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So it's policymakers can make informed decisions. Like that's what they're for. And so as Vladimir Putin himself noted, and I don't talk about it very much, but it's true, I applied to the CIA when I was in college, because I was familiar with it because of where I lived and had grown up and everything, and I was like, seemed interesting. That's honestly the only reason.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was like, live in foreign countries, see history happen, like I'm for that. I applied to the operations directorate. They turned me down on the basis of drug use, actually. True. But anyway, whatever. I was unsuited for it, so I'm glad they turned me down.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the point is, I didn't see CIA as a threat, partly because I was bathing in propaganda about CIA, and I didn't really understand what it was and didn't want to know. But second, because my impression at the time was it was outwardly focused. It was focused on our enemies. I don't have a problem with that as much.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The fact that CIA is playing in domestic politics, and actually has for a long time, was involved in the Kennedy assassination, that's not speculation, that's a fact. And I confirm that for someone who had read their documents that are still not public. It's shocking. You can't have that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the reason I'm so mad is I really believe in the idea of representative government acknowledging its imperfections, but I should have some say. I live here, I'm a citizen. I pay all your freaking taxes. So the fact that they would be tampering with American democracy is so outrageous to me. And I don't know why Morning Joe is not outraged.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So for me, I was just blown away by that. I thought I knew a lot about Russia. It turns out I knew a lot about the Soviet period, the 1937 purge trials, the famine in Ukraine. I knew a fair amount about that, but I really knew nothing about contemporary Russia, less than I thought I did, it turned out. But yeah, I was just blown away by where we were.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This parade of dummies, highly credentialed dummies they have on Morning Joe every day, they don't seem to, that doesn't bother them at all. How could that not bother you? Why is only Glenn Greenwald mad about it? I mean, it's confirmed. It's not like a fever dream. It's real. They played in the last election domestically.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I guess it shows how dumb I am because they've been doing that for many years. I mean, the guy who took out Mosaddegh lived on my street. One of the Roosevelt CIA officer. So, I mean, again, I grew up around this stuff, but... I never really thought I never reached the obvious conclusion, which is that if the U.S.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
government subverts democracy in other countries in the name of democracy, it will over time subvert democracy in my country. Why wouldn't it? That is the corruption is like core. It's at the root of it. The purpose of the CIA was envisioned, at least publicly envisioned, as an intel gathering apparatus for the executive so the president could make wise foreign policy decisions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What the hell is happening in country X? I don't know. Let me call the agency in charge of finding out. The point wasn't to freaking guarantee the outcome of elections.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, it's not a topic that I get into a lot because I'm a non-expert. And because I'm not, unlike every other American, I'm not emotionally invested in other countries just in general. I mean, I admire them or not. And I love visiting them. I love Jerusalem, probably my favorite city in the world. But I don't have an emotional attachment to it. So maybe I've got more clarity.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't know, maybe less. Here's my view. I believe in sovereignty, as mentioned, and I think each country has to make decisions based on its own interest, but also with reference to its own capabilities and its own long-term interest. And it's very unwise for, I'm not a huge fan of treaties, Some are fine, too many bad.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I think US aid, military aid to Israel and the implied security guarantees, some explicit, but many implied security guarantees of the United States to Israel probably haven't helped Israel that much long-term. It's a rich country with a highly capable population like every other country. It's probably best if it makes its decisions based on what it can do by itself.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I would definitely be concerned if I lived in Israel because I think fair or unfair, and really this is another product of technology, social media, public sentiment in that area is boiling over. And I think it's gonna be hard for some of the governments in the region, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, to contain their own population. They don't want conflict with Israel at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They were all pretty psyched actually for the trend in progress. the Saudi peace deal, which was never signed, but it would have been great for everybody because like trade, peace, normal relations, like that's good. OK, let's just say I know John Bolton doesn't like it, but it's it's good. And it's kind of what we should be looking for, but now it's not possible.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if you had like a coalition of countries against Israel, I know Israel has nuclear weapons and has a capable military and all that and the backing of the United States, but like you don't, it's a small country. I think I'd be very worried. So there's that. And I don't see any advantage to the United States. I mean, I don't, I think it's important for each country to make its own decisions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that's kind of one of the main drivers at this stage in my life. That's why I do what I do is because I'm interested in stuff. And I want to see as much as I can and try and draw conclusions from it to the extent I can. So I was very much caught up in that. But no, I wasn't nervous. I didn't think he was going to kill me or something. And I'm not particularly afraid of that anyway.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, well, I think very easily could happen. In fact, probably right after Ramadan, if I had to guess. And yeah, I pray it doesn't. But, again, I don't think you can overstate the lack of wisdom, weakness, short-term thinking of American foreign policy leadership.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
These are the architects of the Iraq War, of the totally pointless destruction of Libya, totally pointless destruction of Syria, and the 20-year occupation of Afghanistan that resulted in a return to the status quo. So, like, of the Vietnam War... Their track record of the Korean War, even going back 80 years, is uninterrupted failures, one after the other.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I just don't have any confidence in those leaders to... When was the last time they improved another country? Can you think of that? Oh, the Marshall Plan. Well, you look at Europe now and you're like, I don't know if that worked. But even if it did work, again, 80 years ago. So when was the last country American foreign policymakers improved? So if I were...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Netanyahu is in a very difficult place, politically impossible. I'm glad I'm not Netanyahu. And I'm not sure he's capable of making wise long-term decisions anyway. But if I was just like an Israeli, I'd be like, I don't know if I want like all this help and guidance.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Um, so yeah, I actually think it's worse than just having just returned from the middle East and talking to a lot of pretty open-minded sort of pro Israeli Arabs who want stability above all the merchant class always wants stability. So I'm on their side, I guess. And, uh, They're like, man, this could get super ugly, super fast. American leadership is completely absent. It's just all posturing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like people like Nikki Haley. You just wonder, like, how does an advanced civilization promote someone like Nikki Haley to a position of authority? It's like, what? Shh, adults are talking. Adults are talking. Nikki Haley, please. Like that would be the appropriate response. But everyone's so intimidated to be like, oh, she's a strong woman.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
She's so transparently weak and sort of ridiculous and doesn't know anything. And it's just like thinks that jumping up and down and making these absurd blanket statements, repeating bumper stickers is like leadership or something. It's like a self-confident person. advanced society would never allow Nikki Haley to advance. I mean, she's really not impressive. Sorry.
The Dan Bongino Show
The Hapless, Goon Democrats Face-Plant At Hegseth’s Hearing (Ep. 2401)
An Intel person told me that this person believed that they were in fact Chinese and that a Chinese satellite went down, was visible to the naked eye. There were news stories about it. It evaporated. It burned up. And this person told me that was taken down by the U.S. government. That was a command and control satellite for these drones.
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The Hapless, Goon Democrats Face-Plant At Hegseth’s Hearing (Ep. 2401)
And the belief was the Chinese government was sending the following message. We're moving on Taiwan and maybe other things. You can't do anything about it.
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The Tragic Consequences Of DEI (Ep. 2413)
A biographical questionnaire whose purpose was not hiring skilled controllers. In fact, the more skills you had, the fewer points you got, perversely. But instead, the point was ensuring the hiring of people who were of the right race. It was insane, of course, dangerous, yes, and it sparked a major reaction.
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The Tragic Consequences Of DEI (Ep. 2413)
Now, the Department of Transportation says it is ready to revise those policies in the name of public safety. Stephen Bradbury is the general counsel of the Department of Transportation, and he joins us tonight. Mr. Bradbury, thanks for coming on.
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The Tragic Consequences Of DEI (Ep. 2413)
So it was a pretty simple story, and I think the fix is pretty simple. Can you assure our viewers that air traffic controllers will be hired solely on the basis of relevant criteria? In other words, how good they are at air traffic controlling and not on the basis of a relevant criteria like their appearance.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I share a lot of the concerns he's articulated about health and the environment. I really care about the environment. I think climate change is not human-caused. I disagree on that. I think that's ridiculous, actually. Climate is changing, but we're not doing it. But I'm very concerned about the quality of the air and water and the soil. Very concerned. I think we all should be.
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And the more you know, the more you are concerned. I'm really concerned by some of the drugs people put in their bodies. As a 22-year-long sober person, I really love sobriety. I went to an AA meeting recently with Bobby Kennedy, had the best time ever. And I'm a sportsman. I love hunting and fishing, and so does he. So we have just a lot in common personally.
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And that's the basis of our friendship and of my affection for him. On the political question, I've already said I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I really don't. But this is my one insight, which I do think is true, is I have no idea if he does endorse Trump. And these are two big personalities, so I'll kind of believe it when I see it.
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But if that happens tomorrow, I think it'll help Trump probably. I don't really know. But I know for a fact that Bobby running third party would hurt Trump. because there is a big overlap in their voters. And it's not on all the issues. They disagree on a bunch of issues.
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But anyone who thinks the current system is corrupt is not voting for Kamala Harris, because she is, of course, the physical embodiment of corruption. And so you're voting for Bobby Kennedy or Donald Trump. That's the bottom line. And so I think if he stayed in the race, it would definitely hurt Trump. That's my analysis for what it's worth.
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Yes, I think that's right. And there's a whole kind of demographic in this country that's meaningful in numbers. And it's non-liberal nature people, kind of old-fashioned hippie types. They're not all into neoliberalism, actually. A lot of them still believe in civil liberties. They appreciate nature. They don't want to see it despoiled with chemicals.
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They don't think Monsanto is like a great company necessarily. And they look at Kamala Harris and... who's not even a real person. I mean, it could be anybody, but they look at that machine financed by the banks and pharma, and they think to themselves, you know, I don't have anything in common with these people. And they maybe look at Trump and they're like, who's that guy? He's weird.
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I don't like him either. But there are a lot of like right wing hippies, actually, particularly in rural areas. They have guns. They live in rural areas. Of course, they use guns. And so I think those are all potential Trump voters. There are some style problems that turn them off to Trump, but they're definitely not on the side of like BlackRock.
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at all and bobby kennedy and i live near a lot of people like this i share a lot of their views so i i'm very familiar with this demographic and i think that bobby kennedy is a is a pretty good way in to voting for trump for them he has credibility with them and for good reason
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No, I mean, if I'm being honest, I come from a family like that. Like, what's in your toothpaste? What's in your deodorant? I mean, I, you know, I'm 55. I grew up in California in the 70s where people were really concerned about this stuff. A lot of them were kind of dippy liberal people. people that we made fun of. And, you know, I still make fun of them.
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On the other hand, those concerns turned out to be absolutely real. And if you look at the rates of chronic illness in this country, I mean, it's destroying the country. And I had a conversation last week with a woman called Casey Means, who's a physician.
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Callie's sister, Callie's a friend of mine and a wonderful guy, a wonderful guy. But his sister is one of the most powerful people I've ever interviewed in my, you know, in 33 years of interviewing people. I've met very few people like Casey Means. First of all, she has the credibility, the authority. She's top of her class at Stanford Medical School.
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She's a surgeon, okay, which is the highest level of medicine, obviously. And she left it all because she thought the system was so corrupt. But the compelling part of the interview for me was just the litany of health statistics that she threw out there. And the country's actually dying. And I sense that.
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I've read about it before, but I've never seen those stats collected in one place in the way that she did. And it's an emergency. It's an emergency that I would say supersedes all other emergencies. Sperm counts are down to zero in a lot of men. Like you can't continue the species. So what is causing this is the obvious question.
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Autism rates out of control to a much higher level than I ever realized. And so for all the people who said, you know, how dare you speculate about what causes autism? Okay, I don't know what causes autism. I will freely concede that. But something is causing autism, actually. It's not just that the measurements have changed and we're counting autism cases.
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Like, no, no, the absolute number of autism cases is to an emergency level. And that's true for a lot of chronic conditions. And nobody cares. And so I'm just saying as a political matter, there are a lot of people who care. And we put that interview up the other day. It's kind of an obscure topic. It has nothing to do with the election or the Ukraine war or inflation.
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And the response that we got suggested to me that a lot of people sense this is going on and they want someone to talk about it. And I hope if Bobby endorses Trump, and of course I hope he does, that he'll spend the next couple of months talking about this stuff in public because somebody needs to.
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Well, I mean, the childless cat lady thing I felt bad about, I'm pretty sure I haven't went looked at the tape again, but I'm pretty sure I egged him on to say something like that. And I think it's a mean thing. I think I'm responsible for that. And. I have a tendency to get way over my skis and get mean. And I regret that. You know, it's very ugly.
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And I'm I'm I'm ashamed of the many, many times when I've said nasty things like that. I feel sorry for childless people, whether they have cats or not. And I mean it as someone who has four children who are the root of my happiness. You know, I really feel compassion. And the whole point.
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Well, the intended point, I may have distorted it in getting cable newsy and being nasty to people, but the whole point is we should be encouraging people to experience the things that make them the happiest. And I think any parent will tell you, as hard as it is having kids, that is one of the main sources of happiness for people from the beginning of time.
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And if we're discouraging that or making it impossible for people to have kids, that's on us. That's a major sin, and we should try to make it better. So I just want to say that, that I felt bad about that and many other nasty things I've said over the years where I diminish people or make fun of their appearance. That's that's totally wrong. So I'm sorry. But I would say of J.D.
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Vance, it was hilarious because he's so weird. He hates what he's like, one of the only politicians I know. And I know a lot of politicians who has a happy, normal marriage. He actually cares what his wife thinks. She's his partner, like actual partner. She's very smart and a really nice person, a cool person. And he isn't like a normal happy marriage.
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If you brought I've actually been around it in private. If you brought a camera into J.D. Vance's household, you would see like a husband who loves his wife, a father who loves his children like you really would. You can't say that for almost any other politician on either side. And I don't want to be mean. I've already said I don't want to be mean. But like that, that Walls guy is a creep.
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I'm just telling you that as someone who went to boarding school in the 80s, like I know exactly who that guy is. And I'm sorry. It's just, you know, I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I am.
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Yeah. Well, I lived in a boys dorm in a New England boarding school in the 1980s with a lot of guys like Tim Walls. OK, so I saw that guy. I'm like, oh, wow. I know exactly. You're a creeper, as we used to call him, for sure. And, you know, I guess I probably shouldn't. I definitely shouldn't. suggest what I'm suggesting without evidence. I don't have evidence beyond what I've seen.
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So I just want to say that I'm probably again, you mean like a pervert?
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He's a weirdo. He's a weirdo. And you can tell watching him. And I'm sorry, I just lived long enough that I know that your gut level perceptions are rooted in truth. They're not always precisely true. I've gotten many things wrong, like the details are unknown to me. But I look at that guy and I'm like, you're a weirdo. And everyone's like, no, it's so normal. No, not normal. Sorry.
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And by the way, what is he doing in a high school setting with children talking to them about their sex lives?
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Well, I mean, I definitely didn't broker anything. That's not my role in life. I'm not good at that. I would never, I just wouldn't do it, you know, go to... Bobby and say, you know, you can get this and go to Trump and say you should do that. I mean, you know, my only role just in general is knowing a lot of people, liking a lot of people. I always try to connect people just in general.
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You know, you should meet so and so, you know, so that but I'm not a political actor, not good at it. I don't really understand politics. Most of my Political predictions are wrong. You know, I stay at 35,000 feet, which is the only place I'm comfortable or competent. And the second, you know, I've been lured into saying, oh, this race and this state is going to go that way.
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I get humiliated because I don't really understand it. Same. So, no, I didn't. I didn't broker anything. I know them both well. And I really like Bobby Kennedy. I always have. I don't agree with him on everything. Right. obviously, but I like his spirit, which is inquisitive, pretty honest, I would say, actually, for a politician, very honest, brave.
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But is it is it legal to criticize the CIA still?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, I mean, when I reported something about the contents of the JFK files two years ago, and Mike Pompeo's lawyer called me the next day to threaten me.
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Well, sure. But I mean, if if you think that the public's trust in the CIA is a national security imperative, in other words, if people doubt us, Americans will die. I mean, I think that's what they tell themselves, you know, that that preserving myths about their agency are like, you know, like a legitimate goal of government. Yeah. And so, you know, crazy.
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Thank you for saying that, because it's it is complicated. I mean, a president can come in and say, as this president just did, I want to see the documents and I want the public to see the documents. But there's a distance between that and seeing the documents. So if you wouldn't mind walking us through what the process is for getting this material.
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So was that given over to the investigators of the Warren Commission?
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What do you suppose is still being classified from the investigation into Robert F. Kennedy's death?
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Hmm. Do you, how would you assess the likelihood that the murder of Bobby Kennedy was not what they told us it was? A lone nutcase called Sirhan Sirhan shooting him with a .22 rifle? in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel. You think there's more there?
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Sirhan Sirhan's in his 80s now. He's still in prison. He's still alive. And the one part of his story that's never changed, and it seems credible to me, is that he has no memory of shooting Bobby Kennedy.
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Yeah, I would say. I mean, you maintain the same story for, you know, almost 60 years. Yeah, I think it has a little bit more credibility. Final question. Thank you for taking this time. Since you've been working on this for so long and you did come out of, you know, the most prominent of the mainstream media, The Washington Post. Yeah. Have you been slandered as a nutcase conspiracy theorist?
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I always wondered, like, what do they do with you exactly? Because you're not coming from the fringes. You're coming from the right from the middle of the establishment. I mean, you know, you've been attacked.
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So let me ask you, why in the world would the Dimona project, the Israeli nuclear program, which has never officially been admitted by anybody but Israel, what would that conceivably have to do with the assassination of JFK?
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And and Angleton, who is the counterintel chief at CIA.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
James Jesus Angleton. He. That's quite amazing. Did he support do you know his view of the Israeli nuclear program?
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So why would he be asked about that in a congressional hearing? That's quite amazing.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
It is interesting. I mean, I have no idea what the truth is, of course, but it is interesting that one of the only major policy changes that Lyndon Johnson made in the year after the president's murder was, you know, on the Israeli nuclear program, which he accepted.
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So I had no idea until you just told me that that was actually a feature of those hearings. And so, of course, I mean, the public has – the American public has an absolute right to know what's in that exchange 50 years later.
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It's just – it's frustrating as an American citizen. I don't have any kind of real agenda here other than it's my country. I'm a shareholder in America, as are you. And I think we have an absolute moral right and a legal right to know this 50 years later. Well, I really appreciate your taking all this time, Jefferson Morley. And I hope you don't mind if we check in with you to see if –
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Yeah, I mean, it's fulfilled.
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So you've got the perspective on this question. How many times has the Congress, for example, or previous administrations called for disclosure of these documents? This is not the first time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Yes, clearly they don't. And, you know, they violated even more basic law when they apparently participated in the murder of a sitting president. So, I mean, these are lawless. These are lawless agencies, obviously. But where are these documents? Do you have any idea?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And I'm assuming that the second set that you refer to are at the CIA?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Will we know whether we've received the entire corpus or not?
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Well, but they, I mean, it's kind of abrupt. I mean, it's only been 62 years. Maybe they haven't had time to kind of prepare everything.
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OK, what what's your guess as to why they're holding so tightly? And I can just say I'm sure you know this, but as of last month, there was pressure in Washington to appoint or not appoint certain people based on the likelihood they would push for declassification of these documents. In other words, they're federal bureaucrats right now for whom withholding these documents is a high priority.
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I just think that's amazing. What do you think that is?
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You first wrote about the JFK assassination for The Washington Post in the spring of 1995. So that's 30 years of serious reporting on one topic, which is admittedly a vast topic, but still one topic. Yes. Yeah. What's it like to see this announcement?
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I mean, not knowing much about the process, but just employing common sense, you'd think, well, you know, 62 years, you've had time to scrub the stuff that's incriminating. Are we confident that these documents still exist?
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but whose existence has been verified. So it's not like it's up to the current leadership of the CIA to define what the documents are. We know what the documents are. It's a matter of them handing them over. And if they don't hand him over, it'll be because the new CIA director, John Ratcliffe, has said, I don't want to hand him over. And we'll know that.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
No. I mean, he is, you know, he's a loyal Trump guy. Yeah. And Trump has been talking about this for years. Trump is bitter that he was talked out of releasing those files by Mike Pompeo. Right. Former CIA director under him. He's mad about that. He said that in public.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And so, you know, it's hard for me to believe that Radcliffe would withhold information especially something that we know exists. I just don't see that happening. So you're aware of the Amaryllis Fox Kennedy tussle behind the scenes. So will you tell us what you know about that?
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Right. It seems like it's going to be kind of hard to get out of it because there are informed people like and especially you paying attention. I'm a little less confident on the Martin Luther King assassination files. And I think of all of these crimes, there are three. There's the murder of Bobby Kennedy, the murder of JFK, the murder of MLK.
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I think that story is the official story is the least plausible. I mean, it's actually ridiculous that he was murdered by a prison inmate acting alone, but some without a job. But somehow that prison inmate winds up going to Canada, then the UK, then is heading to South Africa with two forged foreign passports. And he did that all by himself. Like, that's just I mean, come on.
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And so clearly there was a conspiracy to murder Martin Luther King. I mean, I don't think any normal person thinks otherwise. And certainly those the details. So are we going to like what do you think we're going to find there?
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What are the chances that we get full disclosure in the next month or two, or what seems like full disclosure, and every media story says, see, there's nothing there?
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Is that in addition to the 10? Yeah. So at least 12 million people have been encountered at our border.
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Is there any way to move millions of Haitians into rich white liberal neighborhoods? I mean it. I mean it. The people who did this are rich white liberals in the United States who hate themselves and the country. And to punish it, they invited all these people illegally from failed countries. But they can't stand the idea of living near these people because they're racist.
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So why wouldn't you move every Haitian to Bethesda and Brookline and Aspen and Martha's Vineyard in Nantucket like today? Can we do that? I will donate money if we can do that.
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I called the cops immediately because they're racist.
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The problem though is that the people doing it didn't have a precise enough understanding of rich white liberal culture, but I do. So they would bus them to New York, then they wind up in Midtown and Queens. Okay, none of the people who are doing this were affected by it. But I could give you a list of zip codes where like Tony Blinken lives and stuff like that.
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because I know that world, they need to be moved into the neighborhoods of the people who are calling you racist for wanting to have laws and borders. Like they need to feel the effects of their own destruction. So just text me and I will send you the zip codes. I mean it too.
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Because what happened is they opened the borders and then all these people like moved to Jackson, Wyoming to the least diverse zip codes in the country. They literally ran to the hills to get away from diversity.
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Well, that's why Bernie Sanders needs a ton of Haitians in Vermont, because it's just, it's appallingly, it's blindingly white. It needs to change. I couldn't agree more. So, but just back to the cartel question.
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I don't know that much about it, but I keep hearing, I think, informed people say, man, you know, parts of New Mexico, Arizona, California, even Florida, Texas, you know, there is real control. by these cartels in the way that they control Mexico. I mean, they're basically a state within a state with their own army and armored personnel carriers and tanks and like, you know.
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Do you think that's real? Do you think they have that kind of beachhead here?
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So that's like New York plus Chicago.
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so i um i know i'm jumping around but i have too many questions for you i read in the last three days it's hard to believe this could be true that the by administration auctioned off portions of the unfinished border wall at bargain basement prices is that true yes i actually had a conversation with senator lindsey graham two days ago someone needs to take some action because this is this is products that the taxpayers already paid for
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And I think they hate the country more than they hate Trump even. He represents the country to them, the old country that they tried to change with immigration. Do you know Mayorkas? I know him. How would you assess him?
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Where did you start, by the way?
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What kind of special treatment?
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Wait, so he wanted the U.S. government to pay for hormone therapy? Yeah.
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Do you have any, why would he want, I mean, first of all, how many transsexual illegal aliens are there?
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How can a federal administrator ignore federal law? Isn't that unconstitutional? Why can't he be arrested for that?
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The fact that Congress never did anything about that is really telling.
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What do you think happened? It's so interesting. I'm glad I asked you if you knew him. I didn't know that you did. But since you do, what do you think happened to Mayorkas?
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fascinating. There's something, you watch when he talks, there's something strange, very, well, first of all, he's lying.
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And they should, you shouldn't be allowed to do that.
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I mean, we just ended African-American political power, by the way, because of the demographic changes. Just basically made it, you know, both parties have paid, especially Democratic Party, a lot of attention to what black voters want because they're a huge part of the Democratic coalition. And now that's not true. And so it's not – this is a complicated question.
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Anyone who says, oh, it's just white racism is – what does your average black person in Chicago, native-born, family been here 300 years, what does he think of watching his city overwhelmed with illegal aliens?
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Well, they should be upset.
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Well, yeah. And they also, you know, this is a democracy. So we make decisions based on population size. And if you dilute the population, you dilute the political power of the people who are born here, very much including black people. So really, it's a takeover of our government, of our democratic system. And I just want to say it for the third time, it completely disenfranchises black people.
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And they're, you know, black leaders in Congress who supposedly speak for black people. They sold them right out, actually, fact.
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But I don't understand. I mean, so when South Carolina tried this in 1861 at Fort Sumter, it kicked off a civil war. When Central High School tried this in 1957 in Little Rock, Arkansas, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne. You can't allow states to ignore federal law. I'm trying not to use the F word here. So how is that not an act of insurrection? I don't understand.
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If a mayor or a governor says, you know, we're going to ignore federal law and there's nothing you can, you can't come into our facility. How about you get a SEAL team and go into the facility? I mean, like, how is that allowed? That is insurrection. Am I missing something? I thought this is the way the system worked.
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You're taking hate from the insurrectionists?
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Can that be undone?
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Well, to the extent that he allows... officers in a state to violate federal law, Pritzker's a criminal. I mean, any, any governor who willingly flouts federal law, again, this is why we had a civil war in the United States in 1861, because South Carolina did this. So I don't know why we would ever put up with that for one second from any governor, a Republican or Democrat.
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Well, yeah, because illegal foreign citizens, non-Americans, should not be able to determine how many members of Congress you have and where they sit.
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So let me ask you about Adams. I talked to him the other day. He seemed pretty reasonable to me. I don't agree with him a lot. But on the other hand, he didn't seem crazy. And my impression is that he was indicted on what seemed like pretty silly charges by the feds because he complained about immigration in New York. I think that's what he thinks happened. Do you think that's possible?
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How many came through Canada?
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Well, that's right. And it's also, if you think about it, and I know you have thought about it, I think it's safer for everyone to have your guys arresting illegals in the Sonoran Desert than in Times Square. I mean, that's scary in a crowded city. Right.
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Where were they cops?
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It's weird that Republicans put up with that acts of insurrection. I mean, they've been yammering about the insurrection of January 6th, but a sanctuary city is a bold, unequivocal act. move toward insurrection. You're saying I'm not obeying federal law. And no one did anything about it. They made fun of them on Fox News, but they didn't send the 101st Airborne. I don't understand why.
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So you're pretty much the first person Trump chose after he got elected. I think it was the end of that week, right?
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Yeah, because it's not even about, on some level, immigration. It's about holding the country together. If parts of the country decide we're just not following the federal laws because we don't feel like it, then how is it a country? Yeah.
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What's his position going to be?
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Yep.
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I cannot resist asking you, what are these drones in New Jersey?
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Do you think that other members of the incoming Trump administration have been briefed on what the current administration thinks they are?
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Um, and how you plan to secure the border, the deportations was that that was the second goal that you had of three. Um, how many of those 12 million, uh, do you think are eligible can be deported?
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I mean, who organized this? You say it was by design. There are a lot of NGOs involved. The United Nations is involved. A bunch of religious charities, pretty evil religious charities, in my opinion, involved in this. But they seem to be coordinating with one another. Do we understand exactly what happened?
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Okay, so that's just a gimme.
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Have you – I mean, is there some legal way to designate Americans just for a temporary period as Ukrainians and just tell the Congress that money is going to Ukrainians? Wouldn't that be great? That would expedite it, don't you think? Here's $200 billion.
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Well, I can – I'm no expert, but I know members of Congress, most of them, and I know that they only respond to pain, unfortunately. And you just haven't threatened them and you're going to lose your seat and we're going to call you out by name and make you unpopular in your state and your career will be over unless you obey immediately.
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And normal people, you can reason with normal people and love motivates people. I mean, I doubt like in your house, you and your wife are threatening each other. You probably love each other, saying nice things to each other. But members of Congress are not normal people. And you really just have to, you know, grab them by the face and say, do this or suffer. And they will respond to that.
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So I hope you will do that.
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More expensive than letting in 12 million people and giving them cell phones and food vouchers and free medical care, destroying our hospitals.
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Well, they've destroyed rural America. I mean, it's just flat out. I live there.
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what's the point of a government except to ensure safety and tranquility for its people? I mean, what is the point other than to obviously kick out Assad and, and secure the borders of Ukraine, but which are the top priorities I think listed in the constitution. But, um, after that, you know, taking care of your own people seems to be important also.
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So it's so evil. I mean, I know that in El Salvador, when MS-13 ran the country before Bukele, there was a religious component of kind of voodoo witchcraft component to MS-13, where they were worshiping the devil. I mean, openly. It's a component of the cartels. You see it in Mexico as well, all through Latin America. Is that... Have you come across that?
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Right. And these are from cultures that have practiced human sacrifice for thousands of years.
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No, of course not.
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Well, it's witchcraft. It's human sacrifice. And they've, I mean, again, they're from cultures that have practiced it for, well, since the beginning of recorded history.
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What's the point of sending them a trillion and a half dollars every year? Is there a reason that we do that?
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They need to go to prison.
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I should have asked you this at the outset, but of the 12 million that you described, you came here illegally under Biden. Where were they from, roughly?
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So how does – I won't ask you. That's almost every country in the world. Think about it. I think there were, what, 199? So there were none from Vanuatu or Seychelles, but the rest came. But how was the breakdown? Like you think of – illegal immigration. Well, when I was a kid, it was from Mexico. I don't think it is anymore. Then it was Central America. Then it was South America.
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Roughly, what was the breakdown? Can you remember?
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They're hot, meaning what they've got.
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I wonder if the 47,000 Chinese that you mentioned, that's kind of what Fidel Castro did in 1980 with the Mariel Boatlift, just like empty the prisons and the mental hospitals. Why wouldn't they do that?
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Venezuela has. But has China, do you think?
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Well, they're selling drugs all over the country. They're selling drugs all over the state of Maine. Maine.
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No, because fentanyls killed the exact Americans that Biden hates and is always attacking. So, I mean, it's committed genocide against his enemies, so he doesn't seem against it at all. It's all very dark. I have to wonder, you said you used the phrase military-age males, right?
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Because this was so coordinated by these NGOs, Catholic Charities, UN, and others, you have to kind of wonder, like, is there some military purpose to this invasion? Have you wondered that?
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Yeah, high testosterone foreigners? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't want to be paranoid, but...
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Okay, so what, I'm sorry.
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What is that? 300,000 missing children. That's something else I've read reference to.
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There's nothing innocent about it, that's sick.
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And by human trafficking, is it mostly for prostitution?
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So if you go to any construction site in the United – big construction site, they're building a data center or a mall. I know this because I know a guy in the business who just told me this. Anyone in the United States, there will be child prostitutes there from Latin America brought in by the cartels for the guys on the cruise. Yeah. And I said, does everyone know this?
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He said, well, everyone knows it. I mean, it's just a fact. Every big construction site in the United States. Does anyone ever do anything about it? No, no one ever does anything about it. Wait until January 21st. I don't understand that, though. If everyone in the building trades knows that, how can law enforcement ignore it?
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So last question. I'm just interested in why you're doing this. So you did it for 40 years. Yeah, 1984, 40 years. And then you go into the private sector and you're not retired, but you get to do kind of what you want to do and make a real wage after working for the government all these years. And this problem is just so enormous. And the bureaucracy is so complex and hard to fight.
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And they always win in the end. Why would you take this job?
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Is your wife not a liberal?
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Well, it changed the culture of the United States, which is worse than any of the things that you, and more permanent than any of the things you listed. You can't run in and change people's ancient culture. You've been here for 250 years. You can't do that. No, it's the worst crime ever committed against the U.S., worse than the Civil War, in my opinion.
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So, but the question is, like, who did this and why? So, the United Nations, we pay the largest share of the U.N. budget. you know, we should have some ability to control what the UN does, but they commit this act of war against us. Do we know who did at the UN and why?
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Do you think that the fentanyl traffickers, known as the cartels, I guess, I'm not exactly sure what that means. I'd like to ask you, actually. But you keep reading and hearing that they have control of parts of the southwestern United States. First of all, what is a cartel? Who are they? Where are they from? And do you think that's true?
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Well, then why? OK, so I noticed that the incoming administration just basically toppled the prime minister of Canada. It was a thoroughly evil person called Justin Trudeau. And by just by threatening tariffs, they kind of fixed the Canada problem. Trump fixed it in about, I don't know, 20 minutes. But how much more leverage do we have over Mexico? I mean, we're the entire economy of Mexico.
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Why don't we do that with Mexico?
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I remember very well.
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There are so many nice Mexican people. I mean, most Mexican people I've met I really like. That we forget that the government's very anti-American, is not our ally in any sense. We spend all this energy being mad at Assad, whoever, who cares? And we live next to this country that's helping to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year. No one ever says anything about it.
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Don't you think it would be worth shifting some of that emotional energy and military resources to like countries right next to us who are hurting us?
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But again, given the economic leverage the United States has, that shouldn't take more than a weekend, right?
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But most of them, no. But why would the US take anybody who's, I mean, why is it our job, given our appalling track record around the world of like trying to make things better, you make them worse because the world's super complicated. Why do we have an obligation to take anybody from anywhere ever? I don't really get where does that come from.
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Mark Zuckerberg, and you spent $400 million to beat Trump in 2020. And all of a sudden, he rises from the grave. How do you feel? Terrified, right?
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You've invested in XAI. What do you envision the world looks like after, in 10 years, thanks to AI?
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I often hear people say that I'm not exactly, I mean, I know that like the entire upper middle class of the United States is going to be unemployed. It sounds like that's bad, but I don't, I don't understand what the other effects are of AI.
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Elon, when he came into X, when you invested, fired what percentage of the staff?
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So, you know, Elon Musk and, you know, Donald Trump, they're in close alliance now. Elon is not a government official, obviously, but he is, you'd have to say, one of the top advisors. Can that partnership last?
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Western Europe seems like it's falling apart. Is that your impression?
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But really, Europe... Did you ever think you would live long enough...
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So the UK is running out of natural gas. And that's true across Western Europe. These countries don't have enough energy to have first world economies. Will that change?
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Did you hear about that? I know that. That made the news here. Unfortunately. Why would the Germans allow their allies in Washington to blow up their natural gas pipeline and not say anything about it? You said that. You should answer that question. I have some theories. But you're saying that all their ideas are leading to their destruction.
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It's just funny to hear you say that. So in Europe, you often say it's a battle between the native population and the Muslim immigrants. Here you are, a Muslim with prayer beads in your hand saying you want more right wing parties in Europe.
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Well, you've negotiated with Trump, against Trump, you know, to buy the plaza and his boat. What do you think?
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How long did it take you to negotiate the purchase of the plaza?
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So you think the tariffs are just an opening round in negotiations?
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In trading, but the industry itself is the same.
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So, you know, getting into a trade war with Canada and China, both of whom are totally dependent on the United States, they couldn't exist without the U.S., is different from doing that with China. How does that work?
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Do you believe the story about DeepSeek, their AI project, that it was developed for under $6 million? Is that real?
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From an outsider's perspective, Saudi Arabia does not have official diplomatic relations with Israel, but it's certainly aligned with Israel against Iran. That's the way it looks from outside. Do you think it's fair to say?
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So there's, I mean, by far the biggest real estate investments in the US and probably around the world are in data centers for AI and other processing. Can those data centers run on windmills and batteries?
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Yes. But, you know, for the past 15 years, the rest of us have been getting lectures about renewable energy, the green agenda. carbon zero, you know, basically hydrocarbons are bad, solar windmills are good. And the second it became clear that AI would need a lot more energy than projected, people like Larry Fink said, well, you know, maybe we look to, maybe it's a
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You know, it's a whole bunch of different energy sources. Do you think the green agenda is over, thanks to AI?
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You don't think it's going to be the number one priority?
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Number nine. But other, I mean, your peers in business, big investors have been pushing green energy projects, all subsidized by various governments. Yes. Do you think that will stop? Do you think we'll stop getting lectures about how windmills are the future?
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Do you think the United States will change its relationship with Venezuela because of Venezuela's oil reserves?
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I think they have the deepest reserves in the world, proven reserves.
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Well, I mean, we've spent the last, I don't know, 10 years trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government. Unsuccessfully. Quite unsuccessfully. But then in one day, all of a sudden Venezuela says, yeah, here are all your hostages. And flies the American flag in Maduro's office. Like, what is this? Yeah, well, I mean, this is a trompero. Summary. Quick summary. What would happen if the U.S.
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did some sort of big energy deal with Venezuela?
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But over time, and it takes a while to build the infrastructure necessary to efficiently extract it. But, I mean, over the next 10 years, you could see cheaper oil prices as a result of that, right?
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It's just funny that, you know, it was a year ago, if you talk to any big investor, at least in public, they would say, no, no, no, the future is not more drilling for oil. The future is more windmills and solar panels, but you're saying actually the future sounds like it's more drilling for oil.
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Right. There are a lot of competing interests on the question of price per barrel. What do you think the kind of right number balancing all that is? It's very difficult to judge this.
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Do you think, I know that obviously Donald Trump wants it in the 60s. Do you think we'll see it there?
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So that's the view of Israel too, as you know. Yes, exactly. So you have that big perspective in common with the Israeli government despite your differences. So there's been progress, I would say, between Saudi Arabia and Israel, but I don't think there's been any progress on the prospect of a Palestinian state.
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So the war starts in Ukraine, and everyone's running away from Russia and Russian energy. The world is reorienting away from hydrocarbons in general, and you swoop in and make a huge bet. Mm-hmm. On traditional Russian energy. Why did you do that?
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If you were to pick, apart from AI and energy, like another two or three industries that you think are a good bet moving forward. Technology. What kind?
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So you're in Alibaba. Ten years ago, a little over ten years ago, Jack Ma was a very famous person in the United States. He was doing his roadshow with J.P. Morgan. Everyone loved Jack Ma. Company gets, you know, one of the biggest market caps in the world, and then Jack Ma disappears. Whatever happened to Jack Ma?
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People have been saying that for, you know, well, certainly since 1967, but it feels like we're farther from that.
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Yeah, no, he's not. The United States has a big military footprint in East Asia, mostly in Korea and Japan, but also other countries. Can that continue?
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Yes. So you say that as a big investor in Chinese companies, you want to see American troops in Asia stay there.
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
Oh, I was there. It was a bold move. There's no doubt about it. And he took a lot of criticism. I mean, what do you, since you're from the Middle East, I would say your mother was Lebanese, you're related to people in power in a bunch of different countries. It's very common here for people, for adversaries to meet and talk.
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In the West, in the last couple of decades, the idea has been, if we disagree with you, we're not talking to you. What do you think of that?
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Yes.
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
But couldn't you say that about a lot of countries? Like if you had a monarchy... that was liberalizing its economy and opening itself to the world, had a state religion, had, you know, a thousand-year-old culture, wouldn't you be worried? I mean, how would that work? How could you maintain political control? Look, I think you're alluding to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf region.
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
I mean, of course, I disagree with you as an American, but I agree with you as a traveler. What you're saying is obviously true. But in our system, legitimacy comes from the consent of the governed. Our leaders are legitimate because we vote for them.
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
No one votes for your crown prince, but it's also true that your country is thriving and that the other seven monarchies you mentioned are doing well relative to the republic. So what... Why do you think that's true?
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Well, I disagree with you in theory, but agree with you in practice, because what you're saying is just true. It's a fact. I don't want it to be a fact, but it is a fact. So what is that... I mean, is the, I mean, democracy is just a kind of brief interlude in all human history. It's a pretty new thing. I mean, do you think it has a future? What do you mean? By democracy, you mean in our region?
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Well, if you're saying, I don't know. I mean, you're saying that all the republics in your region are struggling. All the monarchies are thriving. And that is roughly speaking true. There are other factors. Yeah.
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What is crypto exactly?
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Is it a currency or is it? I mean, it's a form of payment. That's what it's supposed to be. But from what I can tell, it's something that you invest in.
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It's kind of imaginary gold.
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Huh. I mean, if you have enough assets invested in crypto, at some point it becomes kind of dangerous, doesn't it?
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Exactly. That's what's happening. Huh. Are any other countries in this region embracing crypto? Yeah, there are some countries, you know.
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
Are you an investor in gold?
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For your country, for Saudi Arabia, you've opened it up very dramatically, both physically opened it up, you're issuing visas to everybody, which you were not doing, ever. But you've opened it up socially, women in the workforce... getting rid of guardianship, women driving most famously. What are the reforms, the liberalizations that you wouldn't do here? Where will you draw the line?
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Well, normal in the West is, you know, well, alcohol, for one thing, legalized marijuana, transgender teachers, transgender admirals. I mean, are there points where you say we don't want that?
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
You can have tourism without alcohol?
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
On that front specifically. So in our country, we had prohibition of alcohol for 14 years. Yes. And it is described to everybody. I mean, universally believed to be a massive failure. I don't know if that's actually true, but that's how history has recorded it. But... I mean, you think it's a success here. Why do you?
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How did you wind up with Donald Trump's yacht? Not many people can say that. Not many people have Donald Trump's yacht, but you do. How did you get it? I mean, how did that happen?
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What did you think over the last eight years as you watched the woke, the sexual politics in the United States?
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So you hear that in countries around the world. We admire the United States. The entire leadership of most of the world went to college in the United States. Yes. How did... people in this region and other countries visit feel about seeing men dressed as women at the White House and all that stuff? Were they? It's crazy.
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We're not talking about the plus.
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So that, I mean, you must have been confused watching that. This is a country you went to school in, you know well. Yeah, yeah.
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You're one of the biggest media investors in the world and have been, I worked for a company, I think you were the biggest outside investor, I think, in News Corp, Fox News. and you've got investments in a million different media companies. Many of those media companies went way to the left. What did you think of that as a shareholder? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So you divested from Fox, from News Corp, and then you made a huge investment in X under Elon. Exactly. Why did you do that?
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So the sale of X was closely watched by everybody around the world. He wound up buying the company at what seemed like twice its actual value and people made fun of him. Where is it now, would you say?
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When Trump was elected in November, the world was really on the on the cusp of two major of two big conflicts that could potentially get much bigger in Eastern Europe and in this region. Do you think he can successfully resolve those conflicts?
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So, but as a political and social force, is there a more powerful media organization?
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Right. So you think that Elon Musk has had a big effect on Mark Zuckerberg?
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So you think Zuckerberg's just kind of trailing behind Elon Musk doing what he does?
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I wonder, I do know, and I've certainly seen that a lot, having spent a lot of time around rich people, but I've rarely seen someone address it as honestly as you are now. And do you know other people who've been willing to look at themselves as clearly?
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So you got very rich in your early 30s.
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Do you think, I mean, there's, you know, we're still, it's still ongoing, the war in Ukraine, but it had, you said, an immediate effect on markets. It was like a pivot point.
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That itself is weird. I mean, it's not weird where you live. It's not uncommon where you live. But historically, there's not a lot of that. What are the upsides and downsides of that, do you think?
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Good point. What did you do when – this is after the Facebook IPO.
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It really doesn't.
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So that war, my opinion, was welcomed by many in the West. And I wonder if, whatever they said, it was clear they were for it. Do you think that those two things are connected?
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After you got rich?
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Literally, yeah.
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No, those are the most important things. If you can help someone save his marriage, I mean, I think that's a lot more important and virtuous than most things that we do.
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I completely agree. And a happy marriage makes happy children. Yeah. Yeah, it redounds through the generations, I would say.
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So, when I was speaking of children, I was having a conversation with one of my children this morning, You know, I know a lot of rich people, obviously, and we're talking about somebody who we know, you know, good guy, billionaire, who is totally focused on making more money to the exclusion of... Everything else. Kind of.
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And one of my children said to me, and not in a judgmental way, but, you know, with affection for this person, but like, why? Like, what is that exactly? I mean, why, you know, I guess it's just on autopilot to some extent, like, you know, I make money, I'll make more money, but... But the drive to make more money that is literally superfluous, like you will never need that money. What is that?
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It's a great question. You can have five decent children too, which is probably the best thing you could do for any country. But, so thank you for that. But I do notice and have always noticed that some of the people who've benefited most from the United States dislike it the most intensely. And I don't really understand what that is.
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It sounds like just good old-fashioned decadence, kind of.
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Sorry to derail what you were saying because it was very interesting. So 2020, everything you touch seems to turn a profit. Two years later, everything changes. Why is that good for you, losing all the money or all that money?
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That was my question.
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We're not going to use the word revival, but it does seem true that millions of Americans simultaneously are coming to the conclusion that buying things online and going on vacation may not be the sum total purpose of life. Maybe there's something more. And if you're one of those people who's beginning to ask questions, what else is there?
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For example, the power draw for AI, I was hearing about it, it was an AI center in another country three days ago, and they were saying they're not exactly sure
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um you know what it's going to take to run one but it could be 10x a normal data center which is that was amazing to me so how do you power that exactly so you have these competing imperatives you've got the climate agenda versus ai which is clearly the future of the economy of california for example yeah can i just say okay i have to go on a small diet please please do i'm trying to evoke one the
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Impact on the climate, on the environment.
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I've noticed, yes.
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The prepper approach to energy. I'm with you.
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Totally agree.
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I wonder if the structure of Silicon Valley or- Can I give you a different example?
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I mean, can we generate, do we have the hardware to generate the electricity necessary to remain dominant in the AI?
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Because it wouldn't include the control provisions, which are the whole point of it. We control your behavior. We give you something, but then we're in charge.
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Yeah, that is jumping ahead.
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Right, but he can't do that because he's surrounded by people who have already said no hydrocarbons, period.
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No, I'm aware. I'm aware.
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Oh, I've noticed. But I just think that we're... I mean, if you've got mandates for net zero or mandates for no hydrocarbons, mandates for EVs, and this economic imperative around AI, I just don't... And people like air conditioning, I just don't think we're going to have enough electricity unless there's hardware built, like, really soon. Yeah.
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Yeah, good.
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Oh, I know.
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To comply with code?
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By the way, not to be pedantic, but those rules were never passed by the Congress.
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No. Well, of course not. Of course not.
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But where does this, I think you're exactly right. I think you've described it very nicely, but I'm still baffled by the motive. Why would people in a country as great as ours want to wreck the country? Where does that come from?
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I'd rather live in Pakistan than live in the UK. I'm being serious. I think it's the most depressing country on the planet for the reasons that you just described. There's something about decline that's It's hard to describe, but when you're there, you feel it. It's terrible. Oh, it's soul.
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There are over 200,000 Brits in UAE right now. Right. In UAE, which they formally controlled until not that long ago. And now there's a massive outflow of... There are far more Brits in the Emirates than there are Emiratis in Britain.
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Oh, yeah. And much more depressing.
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There's a vibe shift. When countries decline, it's not simply a matter of GDP moving in the wrong direction. It's the spirit of the country is palpably different and sad. I mean, it's why so many Canadians accept their government's invitation to kill them through the MAIDS program. Their suicide rate is insane. Why is that? That's not a sign of health or vigor.
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or ascendance, that's a sign of, you know, terminal decline. It's like shocking. You're from there. When you go back, what does it feel like?
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It does seem fair. It seems much more efficient. I just can't— Now, everything else in Canada is broken, I think, but those two ideas— Well, their health care system is a disaster. Well, the implementation, then, of the system— So my question is, you know, it's like one of those things that— I'm not against it in theory, but I can't think of— I mean, national health system doesn't work.
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The Canadian health care system doesn't work. I mean, is there a working national health care system?
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That's for sure.
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In America, we do things a little differently and we always have. But the British said, hey, we're going to tax your favorite morning beverage. The revolutionary Sons of Liberty said no. And they poured the entire shipment of tea into Boston Harbor and created a new country, a country based on personal choice and freedom. Well, 251 years later, it is time to throw something else overboard.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
What, looking down the next five years, you know, name three or four innovations that you're pretty certain we're going to see life enhancers from AI.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Ouch.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
While the patient is sedated.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
David Sachs, your co-host is now the AI czar, also crypto. Amazing. Well, it is amazing.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
How did it, can you show me how you did that?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
I can see that.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yeah.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So you taught Sax how to hug.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So your show, All In, I did it last year. I did it because David asked me, and I love David. I had no sense of its penetration. I had no idea. I'm not in business. I'm not in technology. I drive a stick shift. I'm kind of the opposite of that, and I just didn't realize –
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
everybody watches it's unbelievable it's unbelievable i heard from people i hadn't seen since early childhood um i heard from every i was i was stunned by it so what's that like for you you're obviously well known in silicon valley facebook um and your investment business but i mean it's a much larger audience in silicon valley so what what has that been like
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Did you expect that? So like most of the people on the podcast, maybe all are, don't need to be doing podcasts. You're not doing it for the money, obviously. So this starts as like for fun or why did you, how did you end up doing that?
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Or news stopped happening. Actually, much more has happened.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Well, apparently. And then Trump comes on.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
At the time, just for, cause I sort of understand the cultural context.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yes, that's right.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Had you met him before, by the way?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
It's so nicely put. That's right. It's not even now clear exactly. It's disclosure of some kind. They fear... being, you know, revealed. But yeah, that's as far as I've gone.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
David Sachs.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So what is the view? I remember vividly the day that you all had that fundraiser for Trump and thinking, I never thought I would live to see this. This is like a major change, major, major change. Was there a major change in attitudes in Silicon Valley toward Trump after that?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
And then Marc Andreessen came out.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So what was it like, though, living there, living among the people you work with and have worked with? How did people treat you?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
You know, they all, that's really shameful.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Well, what that's, I've felt that across the country. What is, how would you describe that?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
People are distracted by their day-to-day concerns also.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yeah, beautiful place.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
I mean, it does feel like the tipping point is here, though.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
I mean, I think you make a pretty strong case for the latter.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
To the fuel, of course.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
But there's a point – I mean you see the same thing in New York City where if the engines of the economy leave because it is a country with 50 states, there's a point where the math doesn't work and things just decline so quickly that it's hard to recover.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Well, at this point, with the decline of ag and the entertainment business and aerospace, I don't really know what drives the economy of California other than technology.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
It's clear that people- Do you know people who've left? Many, many, many. Have you thought about it?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Where'd they go?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Texas and Florida, yeah.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
The police showed up?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So, like, encourage it.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So they're not your children in California is basically what they're saying.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Man, that's just, I mean, any government that presumes to know better than parents is an out-of-control, scary government.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yeah, strongly.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
What's keeping you there?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Good for you. I feel guilty that I left. Because it's the prettiest state. I mean, nothing comes close. So to get driven out of where you grew up and where your ancestors lived is pretty... It's bitter, but I did it. So does it change? Does the state change? It's a one-party state. Clearly, it's enormously corrupt, as you know, and wasteful.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
And now it's fallen down on its most basic obligation, which is to keep your house from burning down. Exactly. So does that... Force change politically.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Exactly.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Right.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
On the basis of labels, brands. It's so stupid. It's childish.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Well, the point of regulation is to encourage, guarantee health and safety. And growing up in California, it was a healthy state. It was the healthiest state, as far as I could tell, and it was a very safe state. And it's neither one of those things. It's one of the least healthy states. Actually, there's more poverty in California than any state. Autism rates are the highest in the country.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
And it's dangerous in a lot of ways. So, like, it's not working. I guess that's what I would say. The regulations aren't working.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
You live among them. Like, do you see the change coming? Yeah.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yeah, what's that?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Well, knowing him as you do, and for as long as you have, what do you make of his Joe Rogan appearance?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
How did you get so self-aware about all of this? Most people, when they feel sad, just sort of bumble forward and keep doing what they have always been doing to no effect. What stopped you and made you think about what was happening?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So what are his highest values? What are his first principles? Zuck? Yep.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
But an informed guess since you know him.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
But he said to me a number of times over a number of years, you know, off camera, but has said, you know, basically I'm a kind of 70s liberal and I really believe in free speech. You think that's true?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Apparently not.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Well, he's basically said, you know, I was bullied by the national security state.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Why don't you go fuck yourself? That's what I would say. Maybe that's why I'm not a billionaire. But it's like unbelievable that happens in this country. It's like shocking.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yeah, I know.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
I mean, the richest man in the world did that. So what is his role in Elon's role in the new administration, do you think?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So do you think that Elon's X feed is a kind of pretty accurate window into what he's thinking?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
How is he seen in Silicon Valley?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
I don't know what to say. Has any American ever had this much power?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yeah, I just, I can't think of, I mean, of course, the president has the power to launch nuclear weapons, so that trumps all power. But as a private citizen, a non-president, I can't think of any time in 250 years where an American has had as much power as Elon Musk has.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
in the sense that you know he's the most successful businessman by many measures he runs the most powerful media outlet in the world which is x um and he has you know this mandate from the newly elected president united states to to change the government i mean i don't just nothing like that has ever happened that i know of yeah it's like yeah i mean i guess so you know i guess it hasn't happened why did he buy x
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Because as a business decision, it's kind of hard to justify.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Actually wrote them down.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
How do you tweet that much, run that many companies, also have that many children, also, you know, he's a gamer, I guess. Like, how does that work? Yeah, I agree. As a scheduling matter.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Well, that's the other thing is he's given up possessions effectively.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Yeah, it is.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
It's totally true.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
I keep a verse on my phone. I'm not a great Bible scholar, hardly, but I do keep this verse because I think it actually... I mean, 1 John 3, do not love this world or the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you don't have the love of the Father in you.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and a pride in our achievements and possessions. Right. These are from the world, and the world is fading away along with everything that people crave.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Christian, not Buddhist, but same idea and true.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
That is exactly right. That is exactly right. Man. So speaking of bookends, we began this conversation with your description of your, I hate the word journey, but it is a journey, to like a much higher level of self-awareness and peace. And your ending by describing, you know, with admiration, Elon's decision to detach himself from the world, even as he engages in the things that he really loves.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Do you think that there is a greater spiritual awareness, a greater hunger in Silicon Valley where it matters because of the richest people in the country than there was? You said, you know, no one believes in God. Do you think that's changing?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
No.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
And my final question is, are you hopeful, since we are at a moment of real change in the country, are you hopeful for the future?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Jamal, thank you.
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Damn, what did your wife say when you told her this?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
No, it's true though.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So when you experienced the way your wife's family loved each other, it made you mad about your childhood? Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And so... I'm sensing inflated expectations here. I mean, this is a foreign country, obviously an ally, a close ally, the closest ally, I think it's fair to say, but a separate country. And so... You know, I think realistic expectations would be we get some of what we want. We don't get everything we want because, you know, we're not in charge of the United States.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And- Well, he's had that, you know, I've watched closely and, you know, interviewed him more than once. And, you know, for- Yeah, for, you know, well, moving on 30 years. Yeah. Because he's been in and out of office and he's had complicated relations with every president, you know?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Invade it and exit. What about the people who live there? What happens to them? Not Israel's problem. What do you do while you're in the West Bank?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I'm going to ask you to pause right there. So this is relevant to people who know Pete Hegseth from clips on acts of him from eight years ago saying things that would lead you to believe he's a pretty stout neocon.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, it caused 9-11, among other things, right? So, yeah, it has effects for sure.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I'm going to need more coffee to proceed because you're blowing my mind, Kurt Mills. I was in a restaurant the other night, in fact, this weekend, and I had a little trouble hearing what people were saying. And I thought to myself, I'm a little young to go deaf. Why? Well, because I grew up shooting, bird hunting, target shooting.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Just one quick digression about Steve Whitcoff. Sure. I think it's really significant that he's not a professional foreign policy figure. He hasn't spent a career at the State Department or, you know, doing bilaterals for his career. You know, he's just a smart, tough, competent person who was charged with a task by the president and he got it done. And maybe we need more of that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I mean, you know, there are certain parts of statecraft that, you know, probably it's helpful to have experience in statecraft. But some of it's just pretty straightforward. Yeah. Get a ceasefire. Okay. Yeah, no, no, I know.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, yeah. But even if Trump had like called someone in and been like, okay, Mr. Career Diplomat, can you effect a ceasefire? He'd be like, well, it's very complicated. Witkoff's just like, hey, ceasefire, stop.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Smart. Just like everything else.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Just like journalism or even education. Like you can't teach third grade without a master's degree. Are you kidding? Yeah, so it's just needlessly complex. When the first requirement is, do you like third graders? It has nothing to do with your master's degree. The whole thing isn't, it's absurd.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, we know the country hasn't been served because look at the country. And so I think, you know, we can say of all players, they didn't serve the country. That would include the media. And there have been times when I didn't serve the country, like when I advocated for the Iraq war. I mean, we're all culpable to some extent, but it's just remarkable to me that people are continuing it.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So now, instead of telling us that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, or that Osama bin Laden attacked us for our freedoms, or whatever the lie of the day was. The new idea is that Iran is, quote, the head of the snake. How many Americans have been killed by Iranian proxies in the United States over the last 20 years, do you think? How many Americans in the United States?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, have been killed by Iran-sponsored terrorism. Zero. Right around zero. How many have died of fentanyl ODs, drugs whose precursors come from China? Millions.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, more than a million. More than a million. Yeah. Okay. I mean, look. What are you talking about?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, Iran took over Iraq because we took out Saddam Hussein in a majority Shiite country. I happened to be there for that. And even I, as a 33-year-old moron, was like, wait a second. It's just a basic interest in demographics. Like, isn't this going to go to Iran now? Yeah. Anyway, yes. Right. Right. But I just find it amazing that...
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
There's been no public conversation about whether or not the United States should go to war with Iran. There's been no case laid out. At least in 2002, they had the decency to lie to us in a pretty complicated, sophisticated way about weapons of mass destruction. Now it's just like, shut up. You're anti-American if you ask questions. And it feels like we're moving toward a conflict with Iran.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yes, and wants no change under any circumstances except an annual increase in the number of four-star generals. It's the largest bureaucracy on earth. It is. And it exists to serve itself. It's got a pretty abysmal record of winning wars, a pretty great record of spending money. It desperately needs reform.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Is that a fair argument?
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And I have to say the amount of calculated deception on the right. So all of a sudden, Barry Weiss, who's a leftist, becomes a conservative because she's against trannyism or something. Every normal person is against that. But it's pretty obvious that the whole purpose of her organization, the Free Press, and her career in journalism is to kind of soften up the right for war with Iran.
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And to attack anybody, and she had this whole constellation of people, you know, Neil Ferguson and all these kind of people who had weight to the project, but who really are all kind of paid to flack for war with Iran and attack anyone who's not with the program. I felt the sting of this, so I didn't really understand how this worked.
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But then, you know, as someone with like thoroughly moderate foreign policy views, I don't really want war with anybody. I'm not against anybody. And all of a sudden you're like, wow, you know, people are calling you anti-American.
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And you're saying that based on the personnel choices you think he's making, he's now the defense secretary, by the way, as of right now. Yes. that he is sincerely on board with Trump's foreign policy.
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But I'm just saying like there was, you said the problem with voting Republican is you're more likely to wind up with a war with Iran. And I agree with you. I'd much rather have a war with Iran than a war with Russia. But. kind of don't want either one.
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And it's just interesting how the groundwork, I just know because I've been in conservative media my whole life, all of a sudden all these new people and you're like, oh, Barry Weiss, are you really conservative? Well, not at all. Then what are you doing here? Oh, you're trying to convince me
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that I'm not allowed to oppose a war with Iran or I'm going to be written out of the conservative movement or something.
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I knew a lot of them and some of them were really smart, decent people too. And by the way, some of their foreign policy views were not crazy at all. They recognized the Soviet Union was evil. Like the first generation of neocons Midge Dechter? I mean, I kind of love Midge Dechter. I don't know. You know what I mean? I don't think that they were all nuts at all.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? I will take the safe city and the thriving economy. I'm going to leave out the forever war. Is that okay?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and I guess what I object to is, I mean, I'm never offended by people with different ideas. I'm never offended by someone who makes a sincere case, affirmative case or something that I disagree with. Okay. And by the way, maybe he's right and I'm wrong. I've certainly been wrong a lot. The part where I get enraged is, is the bad faith.
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And so you ask questions like, well, is this in our interest? Well, you hate so-and-so. I don't hate anybody. And I certainly don't hate that. I certainly don't hate that country. I like it a lot, actually. Yeah. But there's no room for, they don't, they're preventing discussion. Yeah. And a lot of these people have the gall to,
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to describe themselves as, you know, warriors for free speech when of course free speech is the last thing they want and they've gone out of their way to prevent any kind of open conversation about the most important topics in our collective life. So I'm just, I'm just bothered by the lying. There's too much lying. Don't you think? Absolutely.
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I would say, and by the way, I'll even go farther and say, having worked for Bill Kristol for five and a half years.
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Correct.
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For sure. And I was there. I mean, I started the very first day of the Weekly Standard, August 1st, 1995. 30 years ago, and I thought Bill Kristol, I still would say, was a great boss, you know? Interesting, fun to talk to, funny as hell. Obviously, I think he's taken a really dark turn, and his life has been kind of a disaster, and I feel bad for him.
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But one thing I'll say about Bill Kristol circa, you know, 2000... is that he would make an actual case for his views. He would say, we have to go in and take out Saddam for the following eight reasons. And he would write... And you would say this is in 95, 96, 97. I mean, I was there for all of that. And I wasn't paying super close attention because I was dumb. And I was focused on other things.
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And I was like, oh, yeah, it's his foreign policy, hobby horse. You know, he's into that stuff. I'm not that into it. I didn't understand the stakes. I didn't really understand anything, actually, when I was like a kid. But... I always admired and still admire his willingness and that generation's willingness to make their case, to write some paper. Here's what we're for. That is gone.
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And now it's just like, can we censor the people? Can we call them names to the point where they get kicked off social media so there's no counterargument? Well, even Crystal himself had stopped writing. Well, he could never write. Not a genius, I will say. But, you know, an affable, amusing person in meetings, you know.
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Yeah, and tireless, you know. And there are good things to be said about Bill Crystal, obviously. He's called me a Nazi like a hundred times, but that's kind of the point. I'm not a Nazi. I'm... Not for the Nazis. I just don't. I've got different views. And that's the turn that I'm really bothered by is just the pure ad hominem attempts. It's an attempt at censorship.
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And Barry Weiss engages in that like relentlessly behind the scenes using all kinds of proxies, some of whom I know. And I just want to say it out loud. I just want to say this is deception here. OK, so I hope people know that.
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No, but I mean, we literally are operating in the red to the tune of trillions of dollars. In what world can we afford that?
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Yeah. So this, it just feels like a big deal. It's a big deal. To me. And it feels like it's worth, I mean, it certainly, if you comment on this, you do ask yourself, is it really worth it? You know, do I want to get into this? By the way, a lot of people I really like and I'm friends with violently disagree. So you run the risk, which I really don't want of rupturing friendships over it.
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That's the last thing I want ever. Yeah. And you think, maybe I should be quiet, but it does seem like that's a huge step. And at the very least, the public ought to understand that there are highly motivated people pushing us toward that. Do you think that we will participate in a military action against Iran?
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So many accidents!
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I would not fly in a helicopter with Iranian officials. I'm just telling you that.
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Just for the record, I try to suspend judgment because I know a lot about what countries do. And I do think, this is one thing I'll say in support of Israel, I do think that it is You know, it isn't fair to just single out Israel and say they're doing naughty stuff. Like, lots of people are doing naughty stuff. That's just a fact.
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My only... You know, the only point where I would feel like I want to say something is if the United States gets sucked into it. Sure. Now we're talking about our interests, my country... where my family's from, and I think it's fair to speak up then.
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Look, I don't want Iran to get the bomb. I don't want anyone to get the bomb. I'm against the bomb. Okay. But I was around when Pakistan got the bomb. Yep. And Pakistan is a country with a lot of wonderful people in it. Kind of a great country in a lot of ways. Spent a fair amount of time there. However, the government of Pakistan is arguably scarier than ours. You think? Harvard Osama Bin Laden?
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etc. ISI has been, you know, really a source of disorder in South Asia for a long time. And they've exported nuclear technology, including to North Korea. So no one's ever said anything about that. Like, it's not a crisis that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has the bomb. I don't really get it. I mean, why was that not a crisis? Why do we do nothing to stop that?
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Okay, well. I think we can say longitudinally that was a bad bet. He just didn't like one person and it didn't really matter. That was like betting on Wang computers over Apple. Like it just kind of didn't turn out. Yeah.
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We're keeping the Wang in. Look, all I'm saying is- My father sold Wang computers. Oh, I'm so sorry.
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Yeah. Your father sold some Wangs.
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Like we don't want other countries to get nuclear weapons. I think that's, I'm with the neocons 100% on that. But, you know, in a complicated world that we don't actually control, what can we do? What are the limits of our power given a lot of other factors like our domestic, our economy, the needs of our people? Like, you can't do everything.
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the de facto government of iran so if of course there does this is just in this is totally insane it's counter to our interests i guess is what i would say yes um if you were trump and you say to steve whitcoff hey steve whitcoff go get a you know ceasefire in place and he comes back like 20 minutes later with a ceasefire wouldn't you say okay we like that pace I like that base.
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So it's amazing to me that over 20 years after the Iraq war, its architects and supporters are still not fully in control of America's foreign policy, but certainly influential in it. And it's shocking to me that two months after Trump's landslide victory, a race in which he ran against the neocons, the neocons are still brazen enough to try and influence and sabotage his nominations.
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Wouldn't you send him to Iran? I would.
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So these, I don't know, Damien, I know Caldwell, who I think of as a man of genuine integrity, high intelligence and principle committed to his country. I think he's proven that. I honestly think he's like a wonderful person, but he's being attacked by people who never served with a long unbroken track record of destroying America as somehow anti-American. Yeah.
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I don't think after 25 years of this nonsense, killing dictators and watching their countries become more chaotic and more dangerous to the United States and the world— that we have any obligation to listen to people who chirp like that.
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Sucking up to TikTok. Shut up.
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You don't know anything, actually.
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Well, I'm 55, so this is driving me completely insane. I thought after we discovered that the pretext of the war was a lie, that those people would... I don't know, don ashes and sackcloth and go like sit on a pillar for 10 years.
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They went around the World Bank and they still run the State Department. And Toria Nuland, who was an architect of the Iraq War, was an architect of the Ukraine War. Like this just doesn't end.
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That's why I wanted to interview you.
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Yeah. And I'm, because I've spent my life in the media, I'm very kind of fixated on their enablers, their agents in the American news media. And one of them who's working, has been working for years on their behalf, on behalf of Permanent Washington, the foreign policy establishment, every bad idea, is Jennifer Griffin at Fox, the Pentagon reporter. Who is now, you know, basically texting Domino.
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Is that the? Michael Domino. Yeah. Is, you know, running around on behalf of, you know, her sources at the Pentagon doing their bidding, trying to torpedo these guys because permanent staff doesn't want to be challenged on anything. Yeah. And okay, you know, there's a role for that kind of behavior. It's called lobbying.
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But it's a little crazy that like a supposed news reporter would be acting like that. I'm not guessing. This is a fact. She's doing that right now and has been doing that kind of thing for as long as I've been paying attention, like a couple decades. How does that continue?
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Well, of course they- Yeah.
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Where we have civilian command of the armed forces and the entire federal government works for the population of the country, its voters, its citizens, its constituents, shareholders. No. No. There's no sense of that whatsoever in Washington at all. Yeah. It's like, what are you doing here?
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It's not fringe. You know, I just refer you back to the pivot point in American politics in my lifetime, which was the 2016 debate in Greenville, South Carolina, where Donald Trump, home of the highest percentage of military veterans of any state, famously, and Donald Trump came out against the Iraq war and all the dumbos at the channel I work for and in Washington are like, oh, he's lost it now.
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He'll never get the nomination. He's offended all the veterans. And of course, all the guys whose lives were destroyed fighting these wars are not on behalf of the United States, not to the benefit of the United States. They were filled with many emotions, frustration, shame, rage, sadness, and they immediately... knew what he was talking about, and no one in D.C. knew what he was talking about.
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and still won he went up and then clearly triumphed that was the moment when i was just you know whatever his flaws i was for trump because here was a guy telling a real truth a hard truth that no one wanted him to tell and was rewarded for it and i just felt like that was that's consistent with my principles and beliefs which is you ought to tell the truth in a healthy country rewards people who tell the truth not people who lie
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You know, that's an interesting analysis. I mean, it's like MSNBC level dumb person analysis, but it's also like a real analysis. And there is a sense in which devotion to Trump has a religious quality to it. I mean, that's undeniable. I was just in D.C. for the inauguration. I can confirm that. And there are a lot of reasons for that.
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I think a lot of voters feel like Trump is the only person who cares about them. He's their only option. And so they're on board regardless because where else are they going? And I think that's true, A. And B, I think that's a reflection of how badly the leadership of the country has failed. People will take anything other than that. But I also think saying true things out loud changes history.
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I think that's the lesson of history. The only people who actually change history are not the ones who marshal the biggest armies, but the ones who speak the truth out loud. I think it's a holy act. I think it's a transformative act. And all of history is the story of that act, actually. And sometimes it takes centuries for the consequences to unfold, but they do. It's inevitable.
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It changes everything. That's why there's such a... almost a crazed attempt to shut down people from speaking. Why speaking? They don't care about violence. They care about talking because they understand correctly that that's what matters over time, right? So once Trump has said all this stuff, There's kind of no going back. No. Do you think... I mean, that's my view. I don't know.
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Hysterical. And marginal. But we're robbed of like a real debate. I mean, I don't know. You know, if you think it's so important to kill the leaders of Iran... And get into a full-scale war with a real country, which Iran is, which is part of a real coalition.
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But where's the debate on it? I guess that's the point.
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I mean, it's a little harder here, too, because on the question of Russia, it's been surprisingly effective for them to just dismiss all criticism as sponsored by Putin. Like, you don't think it's a good idea to prop up the Zelensky government. You're a Putin puppet or whatever. Right.
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You want someone to do so many... Can you really call like a white American Christian guy a puppet of the mullahs? Probably not. It's like, I don't think that works, right? Does it? I guess they're trying it with Steve Witkoff. You're a tool of cutter.
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Well, the domestic, I mean, you can't buy an apartment in New York because there's so much Chinese money in the residential real estate market. So like, okay, so the argument is what? You're only allowed to invest in your own country's real estate? Okay, let's start here. Let's ban foreign investment in our real estate markets. Oh no, that's anti-capitalist. Just the whole thing doesn't make sense.
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What are they saying? What?
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I mean, I do think it's worth having an honest, I've never seen one, there never has been one, but an honest conversation about foreign influence on American policy. I think that's a totally legitimate topic. And, you know, we've kind of done a lot of lying and pretending, for example, that Russia has like undue influence over American foreign policy. It's absurd.
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But why not have that conversation? Are there foreign countries that exert influence on American policy?
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whose interests supersede those of American citizens in the minds of policymakers. And, you know, there may be some of those. How would we rank Qatar? You know, in terms of its influence. Maybe not in the top three. Yeah, no. Right. So, just having lived in D.C., this whole conversation is like so infuriatingly false and just silly. I mean, are they running intel operations against us?
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There's a lot of Qatar surveillance in Washington. Yeah. A lot of Qatar agents running around the Willard Hotel. I don't think so. Maybe. Very well disguised. Like, what are you talking about? I mean, our country's doing that. Are they hacking the Pentagon's mainframes? I don't think. Oh, China's doing that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, so that's exactly the complaint that I have. And that's the problem that I have with Barry Weiss. It's the problem I have with Jen Griffin. It's the problem I have with Washington Post. And just so much of the media coverage of foreign policy is based on insinuation. And like the cruelest sort of character-destroying insinuation is that you're not loyal to your own country. Yeah.
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They reach for the biggest sword. Man, they go right for the face. And I just think that that's beneath a great nation like ours. I think it's beneath any decent person to behave like. If you have evidence that someone's selling out his country, tell me what it is. But to start with that, to accuse Steve Witkoff of being a tool of Qatar, it's like so over the top.
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What are the publications? Who are the people involved in this campaign of lies?
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I just feel like it's important to call out the people doing it and say, you're disgusting. We're not listening to you anymore. You have no influence except that that you project through aggression and threats. And like... We're not playing along.
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Well, I mean, I think the track record is pretty, speaks conclusively.
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I think national, I mean, first of all, I agree completely. And I wrote a piece at the very beginning of this whole saga almost 10 years ago. Donald Trump is a shocking, vulgar, and right. Yeah, he's winning because you failed. Simple, you know, obvious. It was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. Five years since the beginning of COVID.
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And yet, for some reason, we still don't know answers to the most basic questions. And one man knows those answers. His name is Dr. Tony Fauci. And now a documentary filmmaker called Jenner First is out with a new film explaining exactly what happened. The film is called Thank You, Dr. Fauci. We'll see it exclusively here on TCN. Anyway, I don't think D.C.
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gets it, but I also think at this point Trump is the most powerful president certainly since Roosevelt. Interesting. And the potential for, you know, achieving his promises is really high. America has greater problems than it's had since the Great Depression, maybe even bigger than it had then. And we have a chance to address them.
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Probably not solve all of them, but make some headway on things that could help Americans. Sealing the border, stopping the chaos, just taking a breather so we can figure out how to fix the country. And the only thing that could derail that is another foreign war. We can't do it with this stuff.
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So you had, what, 200,000 people a year dying of drug ODs and no one said anything about it? And endless lectures about Ukraine? And it's no disrespect to the Ukrainians, who I really feel sorry for, But like, that's so unbelievable that that happened. It's like a bad dream. And now we've woken up from the dream and we have this chance.
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And I'm sorry, I just, you know, with respect to Barry Weiss and Jen Griffin, you can't do that to us again. It's just not going to go without a fight this time. We have to reorient toward our own interests. And that's no disrespect to any other country, to our allies who we wish well and will help to the extent we can.
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But like the idea that we're responsible for all these other countries when we're dying here, No mas. Is that a radical position? That's my actual position in my heart. That's my actual position.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
well they're hell-bent on suicide the western europeans and not the eastern europeans or central europeans but the western europeans are you have decided to kill themselves and it's it's almost like if someone's standing on a bridge or in a window of a skyscraper and you're trying to talk them back in it's it's hard and who knows why that happens i think there's a supernatural element at work it's my personal view but whatever you think the cause is that's what it is you destroy you blow up nordstrom destroy the german economy and you're not allowed to say anything about it in germany
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I don't know that we can help you at that point. You know what I mean? Like, if you're that intent on self-harm, that anxious to destroy your own civilization, make it impossible for your children to live there, then you're killing yourself. You can't help someone who doesn't want to help himself. Like, go ahead and jump then. Kind of. That's how I feel.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But just from an American perspective, like, all of this has been bad for us. There's no way to pretend otherwise, except to launch into some airy moral lecture about dictatorships and Winston Churchill and Neville Chamberlain.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I think that's the truth.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I would. I was just reading the Barry Weiss editorial about how pulling Pompeo's... What did she say? I didn't read it. It's outrageous. It's a betrayal of Trump's promises.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, that you can't, you're not allowed, you are required to pay for Mike Pompeo's security detail. And I will just say point blank is someone who has faced greater physical threats than Mike Pompeo. I can promise you that. I, you know, if I have security, I pay for it myself. Like, why does Mike Pompeo, as a private citizen, get to stick me with the bill for his security detail?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Like, how does that work, Barry Weiss? And the point is that Mike Pompeo is a faithful servant of the kind of ideas that she is here to push on the rest of us, and therefore he will be defended at all costs. But, like, let's just be honest about what's going on. Anyway, sorry.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
You know, everyone's got a detail. Fauci has a detail. Yeah, yeah. Because he's in my dog park in Washington. I hear about it.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But he's still got bits of egg in his mustache and I don't have his cell anymore, so I can't tell him, but he needs to fix that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Sorry, I'm just doing the whole CV here.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I'm so sorry that I said that. It's beneath me. I shouldn't have said that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I had heard about that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Pompeo... Patriotic Americans rallied, as they did in Boston in the 18th century, To act on behalf of their nation at some personal risk, but they did it anyway. Unsung heroes.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Okay, I think this is a fair assessment. So the people who want to continue what we're doing at unsustainable cost, being a bankrupt country, by the way, sending aid to countries that are not bankrupt, those are the radicals, I think it's fair to say. So what are they saying about Domino in this hit piece?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I don't know that Brian Hook has served in government in four years.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Why would he have a security detail paid for by taxpayers?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Because they've been creating a lot of terror attacks in the United States, you've noticed. Yeah. Oh, no, no, that was in Tifa. And so that is the essential, that is the causes. I'm just going to have to scoff at all of it. I've heard a lot of this.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I hear this all the time.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So if I could sum up what I think you're saying, it is that Donald Trump may have actually broken the grip of the neocons on Washington.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I mean, it's... It just seems like this is... Because there was always this question about Trump. Like, you get up and you give these speeches where you say, we don't want more pointless wars, I believe, and peace through strength. Not a wuss. It's not Jimmy Carter. But, like, you know, you assert American power, but you don't embroil a country in wars that you can't win for no reason.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
It's a very moderate, sensible, common sense, I would say, view. So you say those things, but then you hire John Bolton. And the question is why? And Trump would say, I've heard him say, well, I hired Bolton. I beg your pardon. I hired Bolton because he's a lunatic and he's a warmonger freak. He's obviously like watching war porn late at night and people can smell that on him.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And so when he goes into a negotiation, he scares the crap out of everybody. And then I show up, you know, he's the heavy and I'm- I mean, I've heard Trump say that. And I didn't know if I believed that or not, but I'm starting to think that I should have just believed him because it sounds like Trump's actual instincts are what he says they are.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
It's a great sentence. So Donald Trump invited the Taliban. So tonight, who's coming for dinner tonight at Camp David? I know the Taliban will be here.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I do think it's important, Kurt, to just recognize the inherent hilarity of a lot of, you know, it's just, it is, in addition to being grave and, you know, historically significant, it's very funny.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah. So, you're very restrained and businesslike and precise as a reporter should be, as an editor should be, but the story that you're telling, I think, I don't want to put words in your mouth, is a story of like real change. Yeah. Finally, we actually appear to be getting to like a foreign policy that puts America close to the center of the... Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I don't know the guy. Sounds kind of Catholic to me. You know a lot of Shiites called Damino, or is that a common name for Persians?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, I just want to countersignal by saying, I think what you're saying is true. I think it's real. And I've never admired Trump more. I don't think I'm going to ask this from the Trump question, but this is like... America really needs this. It's just super important. And it's not radical at all. It's not attacking anyone or canceling our allyship with any country at all. It's just...
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
That's what all the Republican senators have figured out. You do surprising things in foreign policy. You're John McCain. Like, you're, you know, whatever. You've got a lot of problems in your personal and public life, but you can bomb around Eastern Europe and get treated like an emperor. Right. And feel like you're doing something. You're, you know, Jim Risch or Mike Rounds or some, like, U.S.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
senator nobody's ever heard of, even in his home state. Right. But when you travel to Romania to tour a NATO base, people are like, oh, you know, Senator Risch is here.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
The foreign relations chair. Yeah. So. Right. Yeah, yeah. So that's a big motivator for our lawmakers, isn't it? Sure. For sure. I mean, yeah. I mean. You go to Idaho Falls and no one's like, oh, I can't believe you're here. But, you know. It's Chairman Risch. It's Chairman Risch. It's like such an absurd. Anyway, excuse me. Interesting. And I interrupted you because I can't control myself.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Zero self-control. Get on the topic of pizza or neocons and I'm just out of control. Tell me your analysis of Trump canceling the security details for Brian Hook and Mike Pompeo.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, he's on, I think, more than one board, but he's certainly running around, including with people I know, saying, yeah, I'm really kind of a business guy.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, this is a real fighter.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Just for the record, I had no foreign policy convictions. I don't think I'm ideological on the question at all. I just think in general, our foreign policy should serve the nation.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And this was always, this was... Until we can't afford it anymore and our allies pivot to China and sell even more defense technology to China. Yeah. I do think there, okay, so the backbone of support for these wars has been evangelicals. Let's just be blunt about it. It's everyone, you know, beats up on the neocons or whatever, these fervent intellectuals in Washington.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But really, the foot soldiers of this have been Fox News viewers who are not... ideological, they're not intellectuals, they're just normal American patriotic, heavily evangelical people. And the truth is, I think a lot of them are beginning to recognize that their religion does not support this at all. It's really clear. Genesis 6, why do we have the flood? Why does God kill everything on earth?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And whatever it takes to get there is fine. You will say it. It doesn't matter. You'll call anybody anything if it serves your purpose.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
All the people except Noah and his family, all the animals except the ones in the ark. Why does he do that? He spells it right out. Because they're committing violence, that's why. So it's like the idea that, I mean, the Iraq war breaks out and all these preachers are like, no, no, no, really? We have to fight Islam and kill all these people. And that's what God wants.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
That's not what it says at all. And there's no mention of any specific secular government in the New Testament. Sorry, guys. And I think a lot of Christians are beginning to realize this. Because you're a Christian doesn't mean you have a specific political agenda at all, I don't think. But if your political agenda is like violence, that's prohibited. I'm sorry. And I just, it could not be clear.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
It's on every freaking page. So I don't know the deception involved in this was just like mind boggling that these preachers could get up on Fox news and tell you that like, yeah, killing people is what Jesus wants. No, that's not true. And I just feel among people I know a growing recognition of that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And I think it's a huge problem for the war lobby, which has used these people as its supporters. And you see it in the Congress. You know, I'm an evangelical and I'm for another war with somebody.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
To be replaced by what? The same people who replaced Assad and Gaddafi and Saddam and the Taliban.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
It's hard to know. You're rolling the dice.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Is there any evidence that he's, quote, anti-Israel?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Right.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
No, I agree completely. Well, you have actually given me, I asked you to come for this conversation. It's late at night. I was very exercised about it. You were nice enough to come and we're in a hotel room in some city, but I thought I was going to be more depressed by the end, but actually I feel really heartened by what you said. Thank you for having me.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, thank you for making me feel a lot better. Kurt Mills. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson Show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to TuckerCarlson.com to see everything that we have made. The complete library. TuckerCarlson.com.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
It's okay to be critical of other people's wars or your own wars. It's okay to offer analysis of war.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So I read something from a guy called David Wormser, who was one of the architects of the Iraq. We're not from this country, not really concerned with this country at all. And also, I think it's fair to say, you know, someone who should hang his head in shame given a lifetime of destruction that he's helped perpetrate. bring to our country, but describe these policies as anti-American.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So I have to say, it takes a lot of balls for someone who has no interest in the United States to accuse someone whose whole orientation is helping the United States of being anti-American. But I've noticed this a lot. If you raise the question, like, what are we getting out of this? You know, the endless war cycle, we're getting bankruptcy, obviously, but like, is this good for us?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
They'll accuse you, you know, the Constantine Kizan, also not an American, will accuse, that wing will accuse you of being somehow woke and you're like left wing for asking these questions.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
There's no more repulsive group in American life than the people who continue to push death and bankruptcy on the United States. I think that's fair. Can't recover from death. No, you can't.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I have noticed this is because it's so over the top. Rather than, look, I think a lot of these positions are legitimate. I disagree with them. You know, a ton of these people are smart people. I know almost all of them. And they could make like a straightforward case for their position. Like here's why we should affect regime change in Iran or here's what we should kill Putin.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I mean, maybe there's a case to be made for that, but they never make the case. They attack anyone who stands in their way in the most brutal and dishonest ways, they have no limits at all in their behavior at all. And I just find that repugnant and like corrosive. Even if I agreed with them, I'd be against that. Like, what is that? It's guerrilla warfare, the win at any costs. Win at any costs.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I know I'm jumping around, but I'm exercised. I just watched what's happening to a man called Steve Witkoff. Do you know Steve Witkoff? Yes. So he's a friend of Trump's. He's a real estate guy from New York. I happen to know him just for other reasons. How well do you know him? Pretty well. You know, just personally, I don't know a ton about his views.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I don't sense that we probably don't agree on foreign policy in some ways. But he was tasked by Trump, as you know, to go over and affect some kind of ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. And he did. And I doubt he's anti-Israel. In fact, I know he's not, whatever that means. And he is being attacked as somehow an agent of the Islamic Republic of Qatar and like anti-Israel Steve Witkoff. Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And I happen to really like Steve Witkoff. I think he's just, I just like him. He's just a great guy, actually. And he's really tough and he's just a good guy. If you had dinner with him, you'd like him, trust me. But I'm just blown away by the dishonesty. Rather than say, hey, Steve Witkoff, like I disagree with you or whatever. It's, he's working for Qatar. What? He's from like Long Island.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
What are you talking about?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But these people are disgusting. They're liars. And like, if there's one thing the country said too much of, it's lying. Let's just stop lying. Let's just be honest. I agree. Yes. I agree. We've been corroded by lies. Completely. The country's about to collapse because of lies. And the people pushing endless war are one of the main vectors for that lying. Like, because...
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
There's just no reference point in reality at all. If Steve Witkoff is an agent of Islamic Republic, then I just give up. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Okay, sorry, lecture over.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
He's like the most reasonable, moderate person in the world. No, he's not anti-Israel. He's just tough.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Where are we in the below-the-radar war between permanent Washington's national security establishment, the neocons, and the incoming Trump administration?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Okay, so they disagree. You know, they've had to give a little.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
All I'm saying is when you reach an agreement, everyone gets pinched. Okay. That's just the nature of it.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And no one likes it, you know, but like tough, that's what it is. And my read on Witkoff is that he's just not super ideological. I think he's pro-Israel. You know, I wouldn't even question that, but I don't think he's an ideologue. He's a self-made real estate guy who started with like a single apartment building in Washington Heights. He's a tough human being.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And I think you need someone who's practical and tough to affect a negotiation. You don't want someone who's captive to all kinds of theories. Trump says, hey, Wyckoff, get a peace deal or, you know, get a ceasefire, an intermediate peace deal, a first step toward one. And Wyckoff's like, okay. And he just shows up and he's like, hey. You, you. Isn't that what you want?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So can we just go through, since I think you're, as I've said many times, and I mean it, I think you're one of the great reporters still working. Not that there are many. Not that there's a ton of competition.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And you are, by your nature, a curious person, which is like requirement one. For journalism and like the one thing no one else seems curious about, I think, but you are. So can you just just go through in no particular order the stories whose endings you'd like to know? Like, what are you curious about as we enter an age of disclosure? God willing, we do. What do you want to know?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Okay.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Do you think it was Blinken? You know, I think Blinken's so evil, so demonstrably evil and also stupid that I just see his fingerprints everywhere. Right, right. But that's just a pure guess.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I know that in the last two months, Blinken did everything he could to accelerate the war between the United States and Russia, which is like – should be illegal. I don't know how he got away with that. Nobody said anything about it, but that's a fact.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Let's start with the big question.
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Do you believe that? I think it's really obvious that his statement dropping out on Twitter was issued before he knew.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I mean, that's a coup. If you take a sitting president of the United States and force him to drop out, I mean, right?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So that was after the Republican convention. Yes. Yes. So you had this incredible week or two where Trump gets shot. survives, you have the convention and Biden drops out. I mean, that's... And as far as I know, I don't think anyone's ever done like a real TikTok on that.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Do you have any sense of what the answer is to either one of these questions? Who was functionally operating the Biden administration and who kicked Biden out? Who made these decisions?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And then domestic policy, which doesn't even really exist in this country. It's all national security, like it runs everything. Right, right. Who's doing that? Yeah.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
No, it's so funny as you say this, and I won't interrupt you anymore, but I just can't. I mean, it's like crazy. You're going through this stuff. This just happened this summer. Yeah. And I was there. I mean, I know a lot of the people. I feel like I'm not that informed, but maybe more informed than average because it's my job. I kind of forgot about all this stuff. Like so much stuff has happened.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
It's like, It's amazing. Yeah. What we have allowed to sort of pass by us without demanding answers.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I mean, you've done this your whole life, so you know, and you grew up in it. So you must still know people in that gigantic press corps.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Also broke the story that the United States, NATO, the Biden administration was behind the sabotage of Nord Stream, the natural gas pipeline to Western Europe, to Germany. And I mean, that's on the list, too, obviously. But that's – I mean, I think we can say that's true. And, I mean, why isn't Cy Hersh getting the Pulitzer for that?
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So Fauci was part of the U.S. bioweapons program, obviously, right? I mean, if you're funding gain-of-function, It's, you know, vaccines are one part of that, but probably not the only part of it, right? So the idea is you make the virus more dangerous in order to create a vaccine to fight the virus. Right. But in the process, you wind up with much more dangerous viruses.
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He was immediately – this guy's been a hero on the left for my entire life. Before I was born, he was a hero on the left. And all of a sudden, everyone's like, shut up, Putin apologist. Yeah.
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oh i know i know i mean i'm sorry i'm you know all this is just oh it drives me insane it drives me insane not only are there almost no good reporters left the few good reporters left are like attacked all the time yeah no they've all been kicked to the curb uh you know
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I mean, and Jeff Gerth, for people who were, you know, under 40, was definitely one of the most famous investigative reporters in the world. And feared. Yeah. New York Times front page. Worst.
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I happen to know. So that's good. That would be great to know. They do. So, okay. But Nord Stream, don't forget. Okay, so Nord Stream. Let's go to Nord Stream. And now I'm going to stop interrupting. Nord Stream. What do we know?
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That could have started the German economy. It will destroy the EU. Ultimately, when people wake up from their dream state, it will destroy NATO because it was an attack by one NATO power on a NATO ally. Another NATO member was attacked by the United States on Germany. And it wrecked the German economy.
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It was the greatest man-made emission of carbon dioxide in history.
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Don't you think? I think that's right. I like Western Europe. I think it's important to have a thriving Western Europe. I don't think they're a rival. I think they're a complementary region to the United States. And to see it destroyed intentionally by the Biden administration, look, it's just wreck Western Europe. Like, why would you do that? And so I'm fixated on it, but you're right.
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So what are the others? So COVID?
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The question is, will that information reach the public? Because there is the intermediaries, the media. So like congressional investigators, executive branch agencies like DOJ, you know, they're constantly inspectors general. They're always releasing reports. And I'm like, no one reads them because nobody picks them up in the media. Do we have...
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enough interested reporters to disseminate what they find.
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Yes. Yeah. So my interest is not in Fauci. I think any normal person can make up his mind about Fauci. It's pretty obvious who Fauci is. The super bureaucrat. It's in the bioweapon programs and the Frankenstein science that's being funded by our tax dollars around the world to be specific in Ukraine, in China, in Djibouti. And we have biolabs. in a lot of places around the world.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So you normally save this for the end, but I'm feeling so enthusiastic. I'm going to do it now in case people don't get to the end. Where do people find you? How do they support you if you've made it this far in this conversation? You're like, this guy's unbelievable. I'm sorry, shamelessly promote for just one second.
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Racket, so not squash racket.
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On January 6th, Julie Kelly, I don't even know what she did before. She's purely kind of a creation of the internet. Well, she's a self-creation, but her medium was the internet and X specifically. And she just got mad about January 6th and just relentlessly focused on that. I'm sure she has other opinions, but she only did that. And I mean, man, this one woman...
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and I think she's my age-ish, like, unearthed all this information that was like, no one else got it except her because she was just so focused on this thing.
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Amazing. It's exciting. It's so exciting. And it's also true that there are increasingly people making like a legit living. I'm not getting rich, but like... Paying the bills, doing this job.
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You wonder, again, I'm delaying you in your narrative once more with apologies, but you wonder even just the four topics you've mentioned so far are so big that if we got the truth or some higher percentage of the truth about those things, you wonder about the social effect.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So one of the things the censors always say is they're doing this or preventing you from knowing certain things to preserve societal stability.
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And trust in institutions. Trust in institutions. Exactly. Trust in institutions. So, I mean, that's already gone away, but it will evaporate completely the more we know, don't you think?
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Two Politico reporters having left Politico admitted that Politico, which is supposedly covering Washington, told them, no, we're not doing that.
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So everyone's mad that – and even some Democrats, I think, are mad about these last-minute Biden pardons of Fauci and the J6 committee, et cetera, et cetera. So let's just set that aside. My concern is not that these people are punished. Fauci is 81. Yeah, who cares? I think he'll be punished in some larger sense. I want to know what they did. That's the.
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I guess, look, if you want trust in institutions, and I definitely do. I do. I grew up trusting institutions. I don't now. That's their fault, not mine. I think your country doesn't work if nobody trusts any of the institutions, right? It just doesn't. So we want that. The only way to that is through transparency, honesty, trust. So I get all that, and I'm for it vehemently.
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I guess what I'm saying is the people who've been administering the system and benefiting from it are completely freaked out, right? That's why they're trying to stop Tulsi. But I wonder if they get threatened enough... if they don't become like just flat out dangerous to everybody else.
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Like the only way to stop disclosure at this point would be with like a catastrophe that's so all encompassing, 9-11, COVID, that it just, everything shuts down. All trends and progress stop. And I just feel like there's a lot at stake for these people. If you're, you know, John Brennan or Jim Clapper, and you're like a criminal or Mike Pompeo, you're a criminal.
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That's my opinion, but I think they're obviously criminals.
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So this was my thinking about, you know, the, the period between the election and the inauguration this week. I think that's one of the reasons that Tony Blinken was pushing so hard for a real war, trying to kill Putin, for example, which the Biden administration did. They tried to kill Putin.
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Yes, they did. Wow. Which is insane. If like, okay, so who takes over Russia? Right. And what happens to the nuclear arsenal is, In a country that's like so complex, outsiders can't even understand. I mean, you live there, you know. That's demented that you would even think of something like that. Absolutely. So why were they? Because chaos is a screen that protects them.
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I mean, I don't know this. That's just like watching what they're doing. I'm like, why would they be doing that? Part of it is because like, it's like when you're taking off for the roof of the embassy in Saigon, you burn all the papers, right? Absolutely. But they can't because they're digital. So maybe you need like a war to hide your tracks.
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I was sitting about six feet away and I just thought, wow, I can't believe this is actually happening. Up until the second he said the oath, I was like, man, You know, I mean, you just get superstitious or paranoid or whatever it is, having seen all this stuff. And I was embarrassed to have those thoughts. I agree. I totally agree. I was like, wow, I'm becoming crazy. Yeah.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But it's not totally crazy when you see the pattern. But I guess the point I would make is it's like we're not – the process has not unfolded fully yet. So, like, there's still a lot that we don't know. Disclosure is, as you've said – like imminent and that sets up an incentive for the people being exposed to do something really crazy.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I totally ignored it. I ignore all coverage that in any way pertains to me. I don't want to become self-conscious. So I didn't spend, you know, one second thinking about it. I've had a couple other things and one other thing, particularly in the last year, that was like so shocking. I never thought about it again. Because you just don't... I'm sure you've been through this.
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I mean, you were, speaking of mistreated, I'm not going to bring it up, but you were identified as disobedient. And I mean, they tried to end you. I watched it. Yeah. So you shrug it off or whatever, but you shrug it off. But from my perspective, it's always, you see things clearly when you're looking at someone else's life. Sure. Absolutely. I didn't even know you at the time.
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I was like, why are they trying to kill this guy? Yeah. Right. Well, they were. And that's my interpretation of it anyway. Okay. But you can't brood on it.
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I mean, this is the guy who... Can you believe Jay Patachari, who I love? He's a thoroughly decent man, by the way, in addition to being right on the science, but he's a decent guy.
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He's the head of NIH?
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just practicing, you know, clinical physicians, right? Did they know? My wife's a doctor. Okay, I didn't know if you wanted to say that. You're married to a doctor. So did they know, like they, it was kept from them too. Like they didn't. Yeah, I mean. Your average like emergency room physician was like aware that a lot of the COVID propaganda was fake.
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Do you think that, as we unearth more about COVID, that the biggest question of all, which was, what was the point of that? Clearly, it was the point. I mean, if every part of the society was coordinated and aimed toward the same goal, which was increasing the fear, preserving the lies about its origin, hiding a lot of stuff, and, like, telling you— and pushing you toward the vaccine—
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So like, and it was utterly coordinated. If anything was coordinated, that was from the churches to the schools, to the media, everything, everyone's in the same picture. Like why?
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We'll ever be able to say with some certainty or confidence, like this is why they did that.
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Well, it's such a profound thing to do. I mean, if somebody said to you, Matt, would you accept a pardon? You would say, well, why would I need a pardon? No, I mean, it's like it's incriminating. It's morally incriminating or it has the appearance of moral incrimination. just by its fact, right?
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So, okay, so... COVID. Next.
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So the predicate for all of this, I think, maybe even earlier, but to my knowledge, late in the summer of 16 with the hacking of the DNC and the emails from the DNC. And the FBI never investigated it. Never investigated the actual – the physical removal of this data from their servers. Instead, a company called CrowdStrike, which worked for the Democratic Party, did.
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And then exactly at that moment or right around that moment, a DNC staffer was killed – in Washington, D.C., in an apparent robbery in which nothing was taken from him that I happen to know for a fact the MPD, the Metropolitan Police Department, thought was like bizarre. And they kind of didn't believe it. A Fox News host went on air and asked questions about this killing. Why wouldn't you?
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And the parents of the man who was killed either sued or I think they sued. They certainly threatened to sue and basically scared the crap out of everyone. So no one's ever asked a question about it since.
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Why would the FBI wind up in possession? I mean, this is a local crime, right?
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And there were people at the DNC, one of whom I know, who thought that he was murdered for political reasons at the DNC. A very high ranking person at the DNC told me that. And I probably should just say, but everyone can guess who it is who's informed on this, but I don't want to betray confidence, but I'm not making this up.
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And I don't know what happened, but as far as I know, not one person has looked into that in the media. Yeah.
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The NSA read my text and leaked them to the New York Times twice. Right. Yeah. And they, you know, admitted it one time.
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That's such a fascinating observation, which I've never heard before or thought of.
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It's so true. It's so true. And so everything's out of context. Right. Yeah. There's a certain element of dot connecting required in journalism. Like, why am I telling you this? Why does it matter? How does it connect to things that happen, other things that happened or may happen? Yeah.
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Fascinating.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Well, and also, like, the main question was who makes these decisions. So if the Democratic Party is running the United States, which they have for four years, I think we can say that. What does that mean? Who's running the Democratic Party? Right. I mean, I would imagine it's a coalition of, you know, elected officials, you know, Chuck Schumer, Trump. Big fundraisers, right?
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You know, Jeffrey Katzenberg and, I don't know, Obama, I guess. But who really is running this? Who's on the central committee?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So you really think this was aimed at MSNBC viewers just to paint Trump as a vindictive person?
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He was kind of your classic 20-year-old American kid with no social media presence whatsoever, ever.
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And it is a very typical American story where one day you just wake up and decide to die assassinating a presidential candidate for no reason.
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But look, there are a lot of... He met with the members of Congress. He was lived in Ukraine. What? And we know that... Our intel agencies working through the Ukrainian intel agencies have murdered all these people and tried to murder all these people, including some I know personally. And so that's a – like that's just a fact. And he was there with them.
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But this had nothing to do – and by the way, are those the only two attempts on Donald Trump's life, do you think, during this campaign season? I don't think so. So why don't we know more about that? I don't know why we don't know more about that. Yeah, right. So – And I mean, I've talked to the Trump people and Trump himself, and I'm being sincere.
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I really don't have a sense of what they think of all of that. I know that in public, they haven't been anxious to talk about it at all.
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And I will say, you know, whatever people watching think of Trump, I know for a dead certain fact that a lot of people who work for him really like him personally. So I think they are mad about it.
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Can you just describe the digital services act?
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What about the U.S. government, the intel agency's control of Wikipedia, which basically is our collective memory at this point? It's elevated by Google. It's the top of every search. It is the only history most people will ever read. And it's controlled by the U.S. government to disappear inconvenient facts.
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Kind of weird that the head of the Aspen Institute wrote the biography of Elon Musk, isn't it?
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Isaacson.
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Walter Pincus was the CIA reporter at the Washington Post.
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No, no, no, it's just funny. You remember Walter Pincus. Yeah, Walter Isaacson, yeah. Yeah.
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so what happens to the you said the media as constituted is dead but i mean like the episcopal church like they have enormous like shells left you know what i mean like the church has died but the they've got great churches great buildings what do you what happens to like the washington post and nbc news it still has bureaus and cnn and like what what happens to these things
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Whatever you think of Rachel Maddow. She just, like, advertises herself as Rachel Maddow. You know, one person's opinions. It's funny you sounded like her for a second there. Yeah, well, I know her, and I've never been mad at her. I couldn't disagree more. I'm sure she's attacked me a lot. I wouldn't know. But I'm not mad at Rachel Maddow. I'm mad at Ken Delaney. No, of course.
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You know what I mean? People who pose as reporters who are actually just mouthpieces for the intel world.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Well, it's just interesting. I actually think it's more sinister even than you described. So the two topics after, you know, 30 years in the, In television, the two topics that they like never wanted to do, they always want to do stuff about trannies or race or, you know, whatever, all that stuff. But they never want to do economics or foreign policy ever.
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And their view was or their stated view was the audience doesn't care. And then I get fired and start doing foreign policy stuff, and it gets crazy numbers. And I only do it purely because I'm interested. That's it. I was always interested. I'm also interested in economics. I'm not an expert, but I think it matters. That's why I'm interested, right? You do a story like that?
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OK, so can we just go through a couple of these? And why would you pardon Fauci? What are the potential crimes, the crimes you think he committed and could be punished for that you're trying to prevent him from being punished for by pardoning him?
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You blow out of the water all the pap that they do. So it turns out there is a deep reservoir of interest among viewers and readers for these stories. And I'm starting to think that maybe the people who run the networks where I worked, they just didn't want to address that stuff. Because there was a consensus on it that they agreed with and that they didn't want to challenge.
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But they did it in the slyest way. I mean, it went right over my head for decades. They did it not by saying, you know, we just don't agree. You know, we have one perspective on that and we're going to stick with it. That's a straightforward way to explain it, which I can digest. They instead said, no, the audience just doesn't care.
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And you're basically putting the business at risk by covering things that people have no interest in. So get back to Natalie Holloway or whatever the drama of the moment was. And I believed that. I believed it. I mean, I just assume people just aren't interested. I guess I internalized our audience's dumb position, which they had for the whole time I worked there.
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uh what happened to the economy in 2008 there was not a rational explanation that people could read and so well you did big i guess numbers is not applicable to a magazine but that got i mean your stories on that were widely read because you're one of the only people doing it
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
You know, it's funny. I remember getting back in the summer, late August of 2001 from Maine. I'd been in Maine and, you know, I'm just on vacation going back to work. And I was at CNN then and we were working. wall to wall, literally wall to wall on a story about a congressman from Bakersfield, California, Kern County called Gary Condit.
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And the question was, did he murder his intern, Chandra Levy? And then later, whatever, in case anyone cares, turns out she was killed by an illegal alien from El Salvador called Ingemar Guindecke. He killed a couple other people, I think. Anyway, whatever, that was the story. But at the time, we were fully immersed in this question of, is this moderate Democrat from Bakersfield a murderer?
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And I mean, we did specials on it. It's all we did. And then that September, that was interrupted by 9-11. And I remember thinking at the time, like 9-11 came out of nowhere. There was no kind of backstory. It just happened. It was like truly like the least expected thing that ever happened. Right, right. In retrospect, I think,
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Were there things going on in the world, bigger trends that maybe we should, you know, as a news company, we should have been paying attention to? Sure. To kind of prepare people for at least the idea that like, wow, something bad could happen because there's a lot going on abroad.
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Yeah, I think if you had visited parts of the Middle East back then, you would have... Well, we had the coal bombing and then like the Saudis where we had bases in places that were clearly very provocative for no real reason. The Fatwa, the Kenyan bombing. Yes, exactly. There was a lot going on and we just kind of ignored all of it. But we didn't just ignore it.
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It's amazing.
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We ignored it like this manic way, like must cover Gary Condit. And I'm not a conspiracy nut, Matt, but you do sort of wonder like... What was that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So, but why would you preemptively pardon the J6 committee? I mean, that's like the single most legitimate, morally empowered, great group of people ever empaneled in this country. Like, truly. Well, I mean, there are obviously some theories about why they would do that, right? What? Mother Teresa, she was such a great person, we're going to preemptively pardon her. Like, what? This is crazy.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Remember that? Do I remember? I think I participated in it. Should you swim? But then you get 9-11 like this one, you know, sort of beautiful fall morning and everything changes.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And it's like, I do think it's fair to ask, even if there's no intent involved, like, how did we like, what should we have done differently to at least give people the sense that there were highly organized, well-funded elements abroad that hated us? Like, I just did not know that. And most people didn't.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Well, so at least you have that excuse. You know, you're living in another country. I lived in Washington, D.C., covering the news for CNN. I mean, I hosted a show on CNN, and I had no idea that, like—
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Well, there was no covering it. There was just watching it.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And there's never actually been any covering of it. No one's ever really covered 9-11. Like, what was that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Exactly. And what followed it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well, I did cover that. But like the 9-11, like how exactly did that happen? We have all these law enforcement and intelligence agencies protecting us and they had no idea that they're...
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
You know, dozens and dozens and dozens of, you know, the 19 hijackers, but then all the support people living in our country, training, getting money from... We never really... What? Anyway, I don't know why I'm going off on that, but it's like no one ever asked the basic questions.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Including me, I guess, because a lot of the things you just said were like, yeah, whatever happened to that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Your reporting is marked by its command of detail, I would say. I mean, it is. I read it. Hopefully. Yeah. No, but of like a lot of detail, like a lot of detail. Yeah. And so you look at things, I kind of like, you know, I'm not a detail guy. You are.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
What, name one, like, tiny detail that you are personally obsessed with and maybe mildly embarrassed to admit you're obsessed with, but, like, what's the one thing that you just, you want to know, like, that you've been wondering about?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Yeah.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But it's the same impulse that maintains discipline in Washington and in the media, which is commitment to party first. And what is—so that is the one thing— All the things I disagree with the Democratic Party and some of the Republican Party on policy, like I have all kinds of disagreements. I think that they think that's what got it.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But the one thing I really can't relate to is the loyalty to party. What is that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Actually, they have a much lower quality of audience. You know, your average Rogan listener is way smarter than your average cable news viewer. Like, sorry.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Man, you put me in such a better mood. Matt Taibbi, thank you. No, thank you. Seriously. I mean, I think you would do this for free. I get that feeling. Absolutely would. I love it. Thanks, Tucker. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson Show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to TuckerCarlson.com to see everything that we have made. The complete library. TuckerCarlson.com.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I mean, they interviewed hundreds and probably thousands of people, right? It's some number like that. Massive number. I assume most of them told the truth. Right. Most people do tell the truth, actually, I think.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But it suggests what I have thought from the first week, which is they're like serious crimes here. Yeah. I mean, you talk to Steve Sund, you know, who ran Capitol Police, who's like a nonpolitical person, just career law enforcement, former MP, you know, former Washington DC cop. I don't think he has any weird agenda. I mean, his story is so unbelievable. Yeah.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
They just didn't give him any intel at all and didn't give him any resources, and everybody else knew this was happening except him. I mean, the whole thing is so nuts that you're like, wait, there's something going on here. I don't really know. The pipe bombs at the headquarters? The pipe bombs, the gallows that was erected by some weird unknown group the night before.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Will we ever get disclosure? I guess that's what I want. I just want to know. Again, I am not vengeful. I don't really want to punish people so much as I just want to know. That feels like punishment enough. Will we?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
There's panic. I sense panic. And I sense it in some of these confirmation battles, particularly the sort of offline stuff that you don't see in the media, but just when you find out the lengths to which permanent Washington is going to say sabotage Tulsi Gabbard. who's an army officer who's had a clearance for more than a decade, carries an automatic weapon.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I mean, clearly we trust her with America's defense. Why can't we trust her with America's secrets? Well, of course we can. So what is this? And it really is people are panicked that what they've been doing is going to come to light, I think.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
We find out what they're doing with their black budgets.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
A lot of it. Frank Church, sadly, got incredibly fast developing cancer, I noticed. Did he? Yes, he did. He did kind of like Jack Ruby style cancer, Hugo Chavez style cancer. It's interesting. Huh. I did not know that. Yeah, couldn't treat it. He died. Sad.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I'm like, oh, not only did I not think this way, I attacked anyone who did. Right. Yeah. But can I say one thing that I've noticed now that I'm... in middle age um is that all my life the older guys i've known like you go on duck hunting trips or whatever in washington where i lived like with my dad and his friends or whatever and the guys who were in their 50s and 60s all thought this way
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
They all thought this way. You know, after like a lifetime of government service as an operations officer, whatever you're doing, right? Right, right. They all had this mindset. I remember sitting like in a duck blind thinking, these guys are fucking crazy. They're all nuts. What I didn't realize was there's a reason that people become more open to these sorts of explanations the more they see.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Right?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
It's so true.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Who's paid for all this?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Were Americans involved in the overthrow of Assad last week?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But what I didn't understand and still don't understand is why we're all required to hate Assad. Speaking for myself, I don't have strong feelings about Assad one way or the other. Apparently, he's protected the Christians, so I'm grateful for that as a Christian. But why am I required to hate Assad? Tulsi Gabbard went and met with Assad. She's been attacked ever since.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Has anyone ever explained why Americans should hate Assad?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Some ophthalmologist from London is a bloodthirsty dictator. I never, I didn't really... We have to say this and...
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But why doesn't someone at the New York Times just ask the obvious question, which is, why am I supposed to hate Assad exactly? Why is it... Somehow a test of my loyalty to the United States where I think Bashar al-Assad, like who cares? That's such a core question. I've never heard anyone ask that.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yeah.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
What happens next in Syria?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
I've never felt more uneasy than I have in the last few weeks during this period between the election and the inauguration. And it does – well, it doesn't seem like it is a fact that the outgoing administration is trying to accelerate conflict to leave the incoming administration in charge of a bunch of different wars, especially with Russia.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
What a...
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Well, first of all, thank you. So many things have happened in the last two weeks. I keep thinking, where's Jeff Sachs? I want to know what this means. So the most dramatic and from my perspective, unexpected thing that happened was all of a sudden the government in Syria changed. There was regime change in Syria. Who did that? Why? And what does it mean?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yeah, just a coincidence. That's amazing. I meant to ask you, why did Russia stand aside as Assad fell?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So we've got a little over a month between now and the inauguration. Clearly, as noted, the Biden administration is trying to make decisions that are irrevocable and deepen the war between the United States and Russia and then all these other things. If you were the Trump people right now before the inauguration, what would you be doing?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
One of the promises of the new administration is massive declassification, is pardons for- Please, if it could only be.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So one of the things that I'm interested in learning about is 9-11, because I think it's important to understand why that happened. And I think my guess is that one of the reasons so many documents from 9-11 are still classified 23 years later, it's hard to imagine why, is because they tell a more detailed story about why Al-Qaeda struck the United States.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
And it seems clear it was a response to, and I'm not defending it, of course, obviously, but it was still cause and effect. And the cause was American foreign policy, was a response to that. A, do you think that's true? And B, if it is true, then how afraid should we be about future terror attacks given what we've been doing?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Do you think the new president will pardon Edward Snowden and Jelena Sanj?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
world war iii that will not go well well we're we're begging south korea for munitions so the truth is we don't have the power to affect that anyway but you know this is the interesting thing already
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yes. So you said the president has assembled a divided team. One person who I think is pretty close to his stated objectives on foreign policy is Tulsi Gabbard. Yes. Who he's nominated to be director of national intelligence. Yes. the entire Senate Intel Committee appears to be against her. I think every member. And that shows that she is completely on the right side. Well, that's exactly right.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Do you think she'll make it? How important is it that she make it?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So if you're the incoming administration, how hard do you fight for her nomination?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
The Biden administration has tried to kill Vladimir Putin. That's a fact, I think. And they funded separatist groups within Russia, probably going back before Biden.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So what would happen if they succeeded in killing Putin? I mean, what... I don't understand why that would be in America's interest to have 6,000 nuclear warheads unsecured floating around in a country that's 20% Muslim and very complicated. And like, that seems like the last thing that you would ever want to do.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yes, I remember, but that was after.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Because there's so much at stake, you sort of wonder what the people who oppose that kind of reform would do. I mean, the national security state has been willing, eager to use violence abroad again and again and again, murdering people. As I said, trying to murder Putin. Would they or are you concerned that they would be willing to use that domestically? Yeah.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
None. But every week. Every day. Fox News tells me that there's some, you know, assassination attempt by Iran. They're sending drones from their ships offshore over our country to scope it out for future attacks. I mean, Iran is presented in the U.S. media as the aggressor trying to kill Trump, for example. Yeah.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So, the Nile to the Euphrates would include what?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
My sense is that, you know, a war with Iran feels inevitable. I'm obviously opposed to it, but tell us how you think that would go if it happens.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Amen.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Do you think that the people pushing us toward war with Iran understand that?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Isn't that amazing? But I just, again, just to refer back to the core of it, I don't understand when Assad became our enemy and why and why should I go along with that?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
And that have no bearing on American national security or aren't motivated by a desire to protect the United States. There's nothing to do with that.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Why does... I mean, it's just amazing how few Americans... Many Americans love their country and would be willing to lay down their lives for it and have. But how few are willing to say what you've just said?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
When was the last time you appeared or wrote for a mainstream publication or television channel here?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But the U.S. did blow up Nord Stream.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But so, I mean, and they're acting against their own interest. This is not flattery, but it's just true. Whenever we do an interview with you, it gets millions of views, and people love it, and we make revenue off it, and it's like it's good business to have you on. I happen to agree with you and think you're wise, but it's not like people don't want to hear what you're saying. Lots of people do.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
We've proven that.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
some explanations about... No, but you specifically, so you were a fixture on different channels, NBC, for example. And so when they ban you from those channels, they're hurting themselves because viewers want to watch you. Well, it's just, I know that because I have you on. So... How exactly does that order go out, do you think? Do you know the mechanics of keeping you off?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Like one day there's just a bulletin, you know, no more Jeffrey Sachs, or how does that work?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Jeffrey Sachs, thank you very much.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But my understanding was the reason there were so many American intel assets there was because they were moving arms from Libya to... Oh, sorry. Yes.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But that was never explained. I mean, I worked at a news organization at the time that made a lot out of Benghazi and the death of a U.S. ambassador and... What was the Obama administration thinking? They were so negligent. But there was never any discussion about what they were doing there in the first place.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Sorry. Good to have you. You're a fountain of startup ideas and I need, I, you got some, you told me you have some ideas.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Tell me about it.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
What do you think? I absolutely love it. So I believe that screenshots are the new bookmarks. And a lot of people, I know, to screenshot this podcast. And they'll send me a DM and they'll be like, hey, at minute two, minute 35, you said this. It also kind of reminds me of how I use Twitter bookmarks. So I'm a bookmark person, but I never go back to the bookmarks.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And it's too bad because the reality is the interface on X is not conducive to remembering and capturing insights. If I'm you, by the way, this is exactly what I'm building because based on what I know about Sublime and like the mission around capturing insights and get, you know, becoming more creative and stuff like that, it feels like,
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
If I were you, I'd create a bunch of micro apps that do one thing really well.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Exactly.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Podcast Magic? Yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I mean, I'm a name guy, you know? I don't have one off the top of my head that's better than doctor podcast.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
It's a doctor type of morning. But why I don't love it is... I feel like the trend around the sparkles for AI and like the magic of AI will lose, it's starting to lose like it's magic, so to speak. So I just wonder, I wonder like, you know, what makes Google such a good search engine is it's a verb. So I wonder like, what's the verb for doing, you know, a screenshot that's of a podcast, right?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Where do you want to start?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So like, is it a pod shot? Like maybe it's Podshot and it's like, oh, I just did a Podshot and sent it to you.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yes.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So you're talking about an insight that I want to double down on, or double click into, which is kind of the future of building startups is not by building a startup, it's by building a micro startup. So the old way of building a startup was... you had this big idea and you went and go built this big idea and you iterated your way to product market fit.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
But I actually think now, especially with AI and how easy it is to build, it makes sense to be like, okay, I want, you know, here's my big vision. Here's what my startup could look like in five, 10 years. This is like draw it out. But then being like, okay, how do I unbundle my startup? So you go through an unbundling process and And then you write out what are the five to 10 micro startups?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And then from that, you prioritize around which ones do I think have the highest likelihoods of going viral or spreading? And then from that, you prioritize what are the easiest way, you know, this, yeah, what's, what's, what's the effort estimate for this startup versus that startup? And then you do something with low effort estimate. And then your job, like,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
as a startup builder is you're building multiple of these basically. Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Also, people don't look for an inspiration engine.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
That's a mistake a lot of founders make is they write out their 10-year vision and it's like, I'm creating the inspiration engine and then go look at Google Trends data.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
A hundred percent. And then you, and the beauty is you can test that. You can test those headlines, like create some ads, um, see what resonates with people before you go and raise millions of dollars or spend your own money and time to go build a big software product.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So how to test with ads, I would say, is you still need to build your micro app or startup, but what you can test is the positioning. So you can do an ad where it's like, find your creativity, or you can do an ad that's like, screenshot your... or get insights from podcasts and you can see like what resonates. And then from that, you could do conversion rate optimization on your main platform.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
product yeah that that's you know the the lean startup old school book at this point but like the lean startup by eric reese talks about um how you don't need to actually build anything you can put a landing page you can send traffic to it and based on that you know you can figure out what to build um i don't think that works anymore
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think that it's like, why would you do that in an AI world where building isn't the hard part?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
You know, I think that worked maybe a long time ago when like, idea to like production took like 18 months. But if it takes 18 days, it's kind of different.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I it's, it's tough. I think, you know, some people like you talked about, you know, art versus science, basically earlier, some people get to the positioning and the product via taking out ads, putting their money where their mouth is and iterating their way to success. And some people are, and that's like science. And some people are more like, I need to go and
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And would you pay, is it like a one-time fee or is there a subscription element to it?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
like go on a journey to like go and figure this out. And it's more of this like intuition.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Soul, yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Exactly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
How many, how many customer feedback calls do you think you'll take this year?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I want to hear, I want to hear your other idea that you have, but before we do that, I want to tell you a quick story of something that happened to me. So I, I, saw that a really well-known founder, with a many multi-billion dollar exit and a mainstream technology product started following me on X. And I reached out and I said, and he started a new startup recently.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And I reached out and I'm like, hey, I like what your new startup is doing. By the way, I'm very excited about it. And he was like, oh, late checkout should use our software. And I was like, okay. And he's like, let me connect you with my team. And then I see on the, you know, okay, so we schedule a time and I see on the calendar invite that the founder is on the call.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
It's literally like a sales call and he's coming to the call. And I was so shocked because like, I couldn't believe that this billionaire was taking sales calls with essentially like random people from the internet. And that inspired me for 2025 to take more sales calls, more customer journey. So the reason I bring that up is every founder
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
depending on where they are in their cycle, they may be like, I need more feedback or less feedback. And it's important to know where you are.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. It's like,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
You have one last idea for us?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I hear a lot of ideas and this might be one of my favorite ideas I've heard in a long time. I'm serious. This is like the insight is correct. I think, uh, there's so much, there's so much insight trapped into long form that could be put into short form.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And how that's being done today is that people are taking long form video and turning it into short form clips, but they're not taking lump long form texts and turning into memes. I think that there's a nuance to memes, like certain memes resonate with certain communities and, um, So you don't wanna mess up the meme, right? And you wanna make sure that you're getting the most,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think if I was starting this idea, I would call it drscreentime.com. And I would actually start by building like the media business. So basically start by creating content just all around screen time. And you know, your first goal is like, how do I get to a hundred thousand followers of parents who are looking for, to consume content, to basically,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Like you don't want to post a meme when the meme is done. Like that format.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So that's going to take iteration to get to prime time. But if you're able to create this, if someone ends up building this, this is like a $10 million a year plus SaaS business.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I love it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I love it. Sorry, this has been fun. You got to come back again.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
You have to come back on again.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think that's right. It's making me. It's making me rethink some stuff in my own stuff. So thank you. Yeah, thank you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And where could people learn more about you and Sublime?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I love it. I should get on there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
All right. Thanks, Greg. Thank you. See you next time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
curb screen time or just make, you know, time well spent with respect to screen time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. Can you, like, I don't think everyone knows about her.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
It's recurring, isn't it?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Content to commerce. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So the founder of Zumba is- Actually, I don't know anything about the business. I just know Zumba.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Totally. Quick break in the pod to tell you a little bit about Startup Empire. So Startup Empire is my private membership where it's a bunch of people like me, like you, who want to build out their startup ideas, right? Now, they're looking for content to help accelerate that. They're looking for potential co-founders.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
They're looking for tutorials from people like me to come in and tell them, how do you do email marketing? How do you build an audience? How do you go viral on Twitter? All these different things. That's exactly what Startup Empire is. And it's for people who want to start a startup but are looking for ideas.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
or it's for people who have a startup, but just they're not seeing the traction that they need. So you can check out the link to StartupEmpire.co in the description. So I actually think there's a huge trend around business in a box companies. So we're sitting here in Miami.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
all everything that everyone sees here, like with the mics and the cameras and our whole setup, that was actually, there's a company that sent us all this stuff. So you can rent all your podcasting stuff in a box. They send you a box, you pick it up at FedEx, But what was missing in my opinion is, do we want to name drop the name of the company? Lens Rentals is the company.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. But if I was running Lens Rentals, I would have upsold for sending like a podcast doctor to, to come and actually set up everything, make sure all the levels are correct, make sure the shot is, the frame is there. Like that's what was missing. And if I was Lens Rentals, I wouldn't be called Lens Rentals. I would be called podcastinabox.com, which by the way, the domain is available.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. In fact, we should probably just buy that domain.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Okay, let's start there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
A hundred percent. I also think that there's probably, there's probably a business that you can create like a status business. Whereas like I've been off my phone for seven days and I get this badge and I can like, you know, there's, there's something there also.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Exactly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Totally.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So basically is the idea land to school for trades people?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think if I was going to do that idea, which by the way is a big idea in a good way, I think that not only would I want to train these trades people, but I'd want to arm them with, here's how to get customers. So basically what I would do would be like, okay, you're now trained to be a, you know, call it an electrician. And I'm gonna do all the Facebook ads for you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I'm gonna create the website for you. And then you take a cut for that. And then you take a cut for the training.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. I mean, I honestly think that's the biggest question I'm wrestling with is just if AGI happens, which you have to assume it will, what becomes a commodity and what becomes scarce?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
What other ideas you got?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Here's Morgan. Thank you. Sorry. Telling off-color jokes off-camera. Thank you so much. No, my pleasure. We are in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. We are. I'm not even going to ask you how you wound up here, but I'm glad to see you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think it's true. Look, I'm not an expert. I've interviewed Putin. You know, I've been there a couple of times. I don't speak Russian, so I hope I don't get over my skis and pretend to know things that I don't. But what's very obvious is they have an interest and have for over 300 years in controlling Crimea, where their fleet is based. They had a referendum in Crimea.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
The people of Crimea are Russian and want to remain part of the Russian Federation. So he didn't take Crimea. It's Russian. It's filled with Russians. They had a referendum that nobody disputes. People should be allowed to choose their own government. That's the basic precept of democracy. But he didn't take Crimea. Okay. Should people be allowed to choose their own government? Yes. Okay.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to align with the Russian government. So that's illegitimate. Why? When did they do that? Right after the coup in 15, I think.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why do you think so many Russians vote for Putin in Russia? I don't think it was invaded. Russia has controlled Crimea for 300 years.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Same way Russia... Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. So you're saying that the election was conducted under duress and... people's votes were known to the Russian government? I don't think that's true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, that may or may not be true. I don't know, but the only measure we have of popular consent is an election. And when conducted by secret ballot, if we think it's not the 2020 election, it's kind of a legitimate election, that's what we go with. Have you ever met anybody who believes that
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If a free and fair referendum were held once again in Ukraine, that Ukraine would vote, I mean, rather than Crimeans would vote to align with the Zelenskyy government and Kip. I don't think so. It was 97%. Look, I'm just saying self-determination is the core idea in democracy. They don't have it in Ukraine because they haven't had an election.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They ignore the election because it's run by a dictator called Zelenskyy. If you wanted to say he's a dictator, that's fine. You support a dictator. The U.S., your government has supported many dictators. So has mine. That's kind of a fact of life. There are very few democratically elected leaders. Sometimes even our leaders aren't really democratically elected, as you know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I just don't like the moral bullshit that attaches to all of this. That's fair enough. Where we tell the population, we're on the side of democracy, and he's Winston Churchill.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I guess you like dictators. I've never said of Putin, he's a marvelous person because it's a little dictator-y for me. I think he's really smart. I admire what he's done to Russia, but I'm not going to sniff his jock because he's kind of a dictator. But you're like, oh, I love that Zelensky. He's so great. I do like him. How can you like a man who's a dictator? I don't think he's a dictator.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
In what sense? He's not elected. He rules by force. He rules with guns. He kills his opponents. He's assassinated a ton of people, including, you know, I know someone he tried to assassinate, fact. How is that worth supporting? Do you feel a little guilty for supporting someone like that? No, I don't. Really? No, in fact, I think we should try and do more to help him win.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
How rich do you think he's gotten from this war? I have no idea. Does it bother you that he's gotten rich?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He's evil. We'll stick with that. But the question is, why would you support personally a dictator who's gotten rich on a war in his country, who bans a Christian denomination, and who murders his political opponents?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But can I ask you, when you talk to his wife, you say, why don't you have an election? Why don't you stop murdering your political opponents? Why don't you let people practice their Christian denomination? Why don't you let Russian speakers speak Russian and read Russian books? That's what non-dictators do. Did you say any of that to Putin? Of course not. Why not? Because I'm not his friend.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't have the relationship with Putin that you have with Zelensky. I didn't tweet after my interview. You're a very handsome man. I love you. I love you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think you did.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Hot, hot is maybe what you said.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay. Well, you said I really admire you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because he's a personal friend of yours.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I read your Twitter feed.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You can't fool me, Piers Morgan.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
In fact, I'm pretty sure. I think he has been. OK, so I'm just asking, since I didn't call Putin a magnificent leader at all. But nor did you ask him any of the questions that you want me to ask. I didn't feel like I didn't want to do what everybody does, which is you're so bad, bad Vladimir Putin, meaning I'm so good. I'm going to give you a moral extra. I'm like, whatever. It's your country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Country's actually doing great. I was super impressed by Moscow. I'd recommend it to everybody just because it's beautiful and orderly, which I like not moving there. They don't have freedom of speech, which is a prerequisite for me. But I didn't feel like that was my job. I just want to hear what the guy says. We're fighting a war against him, and no one's heard him speak. Why do you believe him?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't know that I do.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're fully all in on the Russian... Well, there's kind of no question about that. Well, there's a lot of questions about that. I don't really think so.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
An election is a poll. They're called polls. An election is a poll, a poll is not an election, right? So there are different criteria for polls. Well, a poll can be an election, yes. Now we're getting metaphysical. But I would just say, I would just say, if you believe in democracy, you believe in elections. If you have a leader who's not elected, he's not a democratic leader.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He's a dictator, which is OK. That's fine. It's a foreign country. I wouldn't call any dictator magnificent just because it seems a little. How could Zelensky have an election in the middle of a war out of interest? I don't know. How did how did Franklin Roosevelt do that in the second world war? How did he do that?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
We've both gone into the oil business. Yes. I never, yeah. So I want to ask you, I want to start just on a very hostile note, okay? Because I feel like that's a good way to frame it. Good, good. Let's start having me to continue. Zelensky is a hero. How could you say that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, there are people- You've got half of Ukraine. There are people making billions of dollars in business in Kiev today. How about the non-occupied parts of the country? Just make a good faith effort to have an election. But he doesn't want to because I think he's pretty darn unpopular because he is a lackey of Western powers who sold his country out.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And Ukrainians know perfectly well that he's getting rich. And so is the entire leadership. I was in Courchevel, France two weeks ago. which is probably the richest town in Europe. It's a ski town in France near Geneva. And everybody at the Hermes store was Ukrainian, using my money to buy $100,000 handbags. Nobody seems to care about that. I care because that's not freedom fighting.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's grifting. That's theft. And everybody in Europe knows that. And you know that too. Go to Romania. All their high-end car dealerships are sold out because Ukrainians have bought the cars.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, as I've said, and I really mean it from my heart, I mean, I have no kind of, I'm not getting rich from this, so I'm saying what I sincerely believe. Which is pushing Ukraine to join NATO when NATO doesn't want Ukraine. There's no strategic reason, no actual reason to have Ukraine or to have NATO at all. We shouldn't have NATO at all.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What's the point of NATO? To keep peace. To keep the Soviets from invading Western Europe. Oh, well, it's been 35 years since they existed. To keep peace. How's that worked? To keep peace. We now have the bloodiest war in 80 years in the middle of Europe because of NATO.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's a super crazy. This is like an addiction. And I've been through addiction, so I'm not judging at all. But it's like, I feel really shitty. I've got to have a glass of vodka to feel better.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yes. But I'm also saying that I've lived this, so I know what it feels like. It's the thing that is killing you. It's truly killing you, whether it's NATO or vodka. You become convinced it's saving you. So you wake up hungover and you're like, oh, I feel so bad. Give me a screwdriver. And if you have a screwdriver, you feel better.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Here's what I know. For a fact, Putin said this for 20 years. Ukraine cannot be a member of NATO. They will not accept that anymore that we would accept Chinese missiles in Tijuana. Or you would accept Sri Lankan missiles in Glasgow.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Where were you when the Yugoslavia war was going on? And they were bombing the shit out of Christians in Yugoslavia. Do you remember that? Yes. That was pretty offensive.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Really?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Defensively? It was defensive. Oh, it was? Yes, it was. Who was the aggressor there?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Just admit it. Just admit it. What you're saying is insane.
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Look... Just know, here's the point where you just admit defeat. Bow your head and be like, you know what? I bow before superior knowledge. I totally got this wrong. I can't believe I had such a silly idea.
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I'm just saying that was not a defensive action. That was an offensive action. Bill Clinton's like, I don't like what you're doing. I'm going to use NATO to kill you. And he did, and then created Kosovo as a NATO base. Because they were absolute genocidal maniacs.
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You can say it all you want. Just like you can say Zelensky's a beacon of democracy when he's not elected and he's banning parts of Christianity, but he's a dictator. So just to be clear. And it's better just to be honest about what things are.
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So I try and deal, especially as I get older, in the world of reality and achievable goals. And here's the reality. Russia is a nuclear-armed power. It's the largest country on Earth by landmass. It's also the remnants of a global empire. So they have a sense of themselves as a global player, and they are because of energy. And resources in general, uranium.
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I mean, they have a lot of resources the world needs. So they're a real country. They're not Afghanistan. You can't just tell them what to do. Get in line, bitch. They're not going to accept that. OK, so they have said since the fall of the Soviet Union, you cannot have NATO on our border because it's a critical national interest of ours.
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So unless you want to risk nuclear war, which we are now doing, you can't move NATO to their border whether you want to or not. That's just a fact. And if you do, you're going to get a war. We've known that since the fall of the Soviet Union. We promised not to do it. And we tried to bring – he asked to be in NATO in 2000. He asked George W. Bush to be in NATO. Nobody can test that.
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This evil dictator who wants to invade Liechtenstein asked to be in NATO. Why wouldn't we let him in NATO? Why did Condi Rice say, well, it can't be in NATO? Why do we have morons like Condi Rice in our US government? I don't know.
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all the mirrors now look not really okay we're in a very clear moral we moral moment in history where vladimir putin invades ukraine it is a european country and we side with it has been independent assassinating people yeah but what do you do there's nothing moral about this look in the real world we do things we can't achieve and if we can't achieve something we don't try and do it because millions will die as we're watching what do you what do you let him do that
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Well, you start with a realistic understanding of the limits of your power, which is all adults have to do. My neighbors may offend me. I want them to turn down the music. I can't just go over there and shoot them. I just can't. It's against the law, and I'll pay a penalty if I do that. So I have to negotiate with them. Will you please turn down the music? Shut up. No, please do it.
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So like an unelected leader would be a dictator?
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If they won't, I maybe threaten them. I live in the material real world.
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You have to decide, is it worth it? Is it worth it?
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A million Ukrainians are going to die. Their farmland is going to be sold to BlackRock. The Ukrainian nation will cease to exist. They'll flood it with third worlders.
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What would I do? I would say, like, if I took over the government in January of 2022 and we're on the verge of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, I would say, guys, it's not worth trying to impose something that this country will never accept because if we try to do that, we'll get a war.
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Because you're gambling with the other people's lives. By the way, if... a million Brits had died, you might have a different perspective. But it's very easy to be like, oh, more Ukrainians should die for the cause of democracy.
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No, I'm not that interested, actually. Are you not? Not really. It's not my country. I'm interested in my leaders, whether they have the consent of their people. It's not of great interest to me. I do think Putin's way more popular than Joe Biden. To his people? Yes. More popular in Russia than Biden was ever popular. I wouldn't dispute that. Why are you so against Zelenskyy?
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My question is... They just got invaded over the last 40 years and did nothing. So I don't think so. I don't think you would do that. I think you'd be like, we can't fight back because we have nuclear weapons, but no real military. So we'd like to negotiate just like all conquered nations do. They negotiate on the basis of reality.
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If I were in charge then? Yes. If I had come in, if I came in in January of 2022, I would say to the State Department, I would say to the NATO...
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At that point, I'm cleaning up a mess caused by the previous administration.
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Let's say I'm Donald Trump, who's actually coming in in that exact circumstance.
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I mean, if your lodestar is whether other people win, you will lose. That's a shitty way to go through life. If I'm trying to prevent you a win, no, I'm trying to win. I'm trying to win for my wife, my children, my neighborhood, my country. I don't care whether you win or not. Once he's invaded, what do you do? Your victory has nothing to do with anything. What I care about is my victory.
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You're in this as much as we are. No, no, no. I care about my country and whether we win, which is good for us, because I'm in charge of my country. This is theoretical. I'm in charge of nothing.
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This whole thing has been a disaster. We're going to lose the U.S. dollar over this, okay? Because we followed the advice of people like Boris Johnson, who have no skin in the game whatsoever, but they get to feel like a moral charge, be like, we're on the side of democracy. Okay. It's so infuriating to me. I'm sorry to be so mean to the Brits because it's our fault too. We can take it.
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In fact, we started this.
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I'd call Putin. Let him take. Yes. Let him take. To what extent can you clean it up? You call Putin and you say, all right, this happened. First thing we're going to do is recognize it's not in our interest, your interest, the world's interest to have NATO missiles on your border. We don't want that. There's no reason to want that because we don't want to drive you into the arms of China.
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You are really part of Europe, and you should be part of the West because the West is a Christian world that has a lot in common culturally, religiously, linguistically, historically, and we want to be a block against the rising East, obviously.
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If you're the leader of the United States, your number one goal is to keep Russia, the world's largest land mass, with some of the world's deepest energy reserves, from aligning with China, which has too many people, not enough land, and not enough energy. So if they get together, they create a bloc that is bigger than you economically and militarily. So you cannot let that happen.
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That's number one goal. You cannot let that happen. And that retard in charge of our country just allowed that to happen because he hates the United States and acted against its interests consistently from day one, 2020 to January 20th. 2025 when he left, thank God. So that's the goal. Do not allow, to the extent you can control it, do not allow Russia to align meaningfully with China.
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They have much more in common with us. They're part of Europe. You guys don't want to admit that, but they are.
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You're not being pedantic. What do you let Putin take? I don't care. What I care about. You don't care? I care, but what I care about is the balance of power in the world. And if the West finds itself in a place where it's got a much smaller collective economy and a much less powerful collective military than the East, then we're in serious trouble. There's no balance in the world.
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The Chinese are in charge of everything. And so you can't let that happen.
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Roll over? It's all this like dick measuring contest.
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No, I'm just trying to understand when you dismiss Putin as a dictator, which is totally fair, I guess, but I'm just trying to understand what you mean by dictator. So the first criterion for dictatorship is that you're not elected. And what else? Because Zelensky's obviously not elected either. Yeah. So I'm just trying to kind of figure out what you're talking about.
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You'd be happy for them to take back Taiwan? Of course I'm not happy. I'm not happy with any conflict ever. I hate violence. I'm a Christian. I'm just saying that great countries have spheres of influence. So Saudi Arabia, where we are now, everyone's like, oh, the Saudis are interfering in Yemen. Well, Yemen's right there. It's in their world.
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They have an absolute interest in making sure that nothing crazy goes on in Yemen. We have the same interest in Mexico and in Canada. And we have some crazy cross-dressing prime minister in Canada. So we kick them out because they're on our border. That's what great powers do. That's what they've always done. That's what they always will do.
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So it's totally fair for us to recognize that the countries around Russia, no, we shouldn't be invading or torturing them or oppressing them, of course. But that's their sphere. And big picture, holy smokes, you do not want the two largest powers in the world, apart from the United States, to get together and align against us.
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Well, I support Israel in the sense that I really like Israel. I brought my family on vacation to Israel.
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To the extent that it helps the United States, I'm for it, of course.
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No, I... Your principle, it doesn't really apply in Israel. I'll articulate it for the third time, just to be totally clear. I believe the United States, like every country, should, to the extent that it can, act on behalf of its own people and their perceived interests. We can debate what those interests are. But that doesn't apply in Israel. I don't know what you mean.
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America's supporting Israel because it's an ally. I don't even know what those words mean. I'm just saying my principle is- Well, they're an ally, right?
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That's not what it means to be an ally.
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I have no greater allies than my own children. When they come to me and say, I want to do this, I assess whether it's good for them or not. And if I don't think it is, I don't support it.
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Because they're my true allies. They're my children.
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Just because a country that's your ally says, I want to do this, does not mean axiomatically you support it. Maybe it's not good for you or me.
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It depends.
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It depends in all cases. It's not just about Israel.
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I have a simple solution. Let me explain what I think. And then that way we'll get right to what I think. Am I wrong? I actually tuned out midway through. I'm not exactly sure what you said. You can't tune out when I'm right. I did, I did, I did. Just because I'm right, you can't tune out. You can't tune out when I'm right. No, but it was more a lecture about what I think.
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And then I'm like, wait, I know what I think. I think I'm the world's expert on what I think. In fact, I think I'm the uncontested premier of my own head.
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So I'm going to unload its contents on you right now.
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I'll define the parameters as well, because I'm happier with that. I would say I support the right of all sovereign nations to act within what they believe is their own interest. We don't always know our own interest in our personal lives or between nations. We think it's good for us, but it may not be. The vodka in the morning analogy. Not good, actually, but I thought it was.
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Now I know it's not. But to the extent that we think we know, I think countries should act on behalf of their own citizens. That's the basic idea in democracy, okay? And you could make a case that whatever we're giving to Israel this year in the form of direct aid, military assistance, loan guarantees, however we're doing it, is good for the United States. I think you just have to make that case.
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Why is it good for the United States? You could make that case. But why is it? I'm not convinced. What is the case? Well, I don't know. You'd have to be an advocate for it. You are a vociferous advocate for it. So why don't you tell me? For what? For USAID to Israel in the current conflict.
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Not at all.
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I don't know why. What problem do you have with Israel, Piers? I have no problem with Israel. The press are like this. They secretly hate Israel. I have no problem with Israel whatsoever.
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You hate Israel.
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Hang on. Hang on.
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Should I be platforming you? That's my question.
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We're losing the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency because of this war.
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Hold on. I just want to know what a dictator is. I just want to know. I mean, maybe he's a better guy than Putin or whatever. And you could say some things about one or nothing. But if we're just going to define dictator, the first feature of a dictator is he's not elected. So Zelensky's not elected. He's also, well, he's banned a religious denomination. He's murdered his political opponents.
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If I've been a great advocate for the war it goes in, I missed that part of the conversation.
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You don't support America supporting Ukraine. I don't support America supporting any nation on the planet to its own detriment. Every element of our foreign policy should serve the United States. That's the point of our government is to serve the people who live there called citizens. That's what democracy is. There's no other reason.
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So if I'm in charge of a country and I decide, actually, I should do this because people who pay me want me to do it or I'm making money to do it, then I'm by definition illegitimate. That's not democracy. That is a species of oligarchy or whatever. You could assign a name to it. That's not democracy.
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So I just believe in our system and our leaders should act on behalf of their own people or what they think is their own people's interests. And I would apply that to Israel. I'd apply it to Ukraine. I think there have certainly been times where we have benefited from our alliance with Israel. You know, it's an alliance, just like we have an alliance. They are allies then.
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I don't know what ally means. It's short for alliance. Yeah, you're right, it is. It's so funny, I never knew that. I've got you. You've got me. You've literally just... When it comes to etymology, you are the unchallenged king. Boom!
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I was about to say, you guys invented the language. You know what?
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These are all our words. We gave them to you.
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He has banned a language group. Those all seem like features of dictatorship to me. Now, he has the support of the British intelligence agencies. That doesn't mean he's not a dictator, though. That sounds like a dictator. I mean, if I gave you a piece of paper and I'm like, here are some qualities of a European leader, you would say, well, that guy, that's not legitimate. That guy's a dictator.
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But do you think it should be the policy of the UK government, the US government? Because it is now the policy to kill Putin.
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So you're not calling for the assassination of Netanyahu or Putin? No, no, no. Do you think that if Putin were to leave, either by force or choice, that Russia would have a more pro-Western leader?
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Okay. Highly unlikely. Highly unlikely. I think that's a fair assessment. Then why would you want, since there's no evidence that the majority of Russians don't want Putin, there's overwhelming evidence that they do want Putin, so he appears to be the choice of his own country, which you may not like or whatever, but it seems true.
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and he's the most pro-Western leader we're likely to get in our lifetimes, then why are we against Putin exactly?
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I think it's hilarious when you make reference to what's legal in the middle of a war when your country and mine blew up Nord Stream and destroyed the Western European economy.
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I supported the invasion of Iraq. That was illegal too. And I've apologized for 22 years, but I want to do something again. You said that was illegal? I don't even know what that means. Breaking the law. What law? Against international law.
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It's wrong. Lawful. What law? Are there international policemen? Who are they? What are you even talking about? Well, you don't think they're international laws? No, I think they're moral laws, and that's what I care about. Certain things are wrong, regardless of what the leadership of any country says. You don't believe that. You believe there are actual laws. It's not international laws.
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There are no international laws. Really? Are there international police? Are there international courts?
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Really? So who's punished in international courts? Other than Milosevic.
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I believe in the ideas behind the Geneva Convention, absolutely. But it's universally disregarded, including by your country, which I think has bioweapons, by the way. You should get on that, find out. Those are prohibited, but I think you guys have them.
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But you know that it is true. I don't, actually. I think you should find out. I'll look into it. I mean, there are biolabs in Ukraine. What are biolabs doing in Ukraine, do you think? Are you comfortable with that? No, it wouldn't be if they're there. But you said Zelensky was a fabulous leader. Why would he have bio labs? I like him personally. The dictator with bio weapons. I'm not into it.
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I'm sorry. I'm just, I guess that it would be, it's against international law. So I'm opposed. No, look, I'm just saying international law is a theoretical concept and it's literally theoretical because it's not enforceable. And we know that because it's not enforced. So what matters is what's the interest of your country and what's right and wrong. And I'm a Christian.
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I can't support that. But his name's Zelensky, and he was once a comedian, and he does my show, so he's not a dictator. I think it's a dictator.
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So that's pretty clear for me. All this shit is wrong. It's completely wrong. It's wrong to send cluster bombs to Ukraine, which you supported. I'm totally opposed to that. Cluster bombs to kill more kids? Like, why? That's wrong. I don't care if international law says it's wrong. That's irrelevant.
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You know, this is what we refer to in the business as a theoretical assertion. Not really. It's literally theoretical.
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Why drop it on Japan's Christian population? Is there some reason Hiroshima wasn't enough? No, because they wanted to test a different variety of atomic weapon. So, like, I'm against that. I'm against killing civilians. I'm against firebombing cities. I'm against bioweapons. I'm against chemical weapons. What weapons do you support? I guess conventional weapons.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You know, I'm... Well, how big a bomb do you support?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, I think you can say... I mean, there are...
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It's no defense of Imperial Japan or Pearl Harbor or Franklin Roosevelt for allowing Pearl Harbor, which he did. It's not a defense of any of that to say if you're intentionally killing civilians, you probably shouldn't beat your chest and brag about it. Maybe you can make the case. I agree with that. Maybe you make the case that we had to do it or whatever, but you should... I agree.
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You should weep. And that's evil. And you should just say it's evil. And I know it's really threatening to... Is it evil? Ben Shapiro to say that or whatever. Is it evil? To kill civilians on purpose? Yeah, it is. I think it is. Really? Kids and children. Well, how is it not, actually? In a war? Well, you can call it whatever you want. How is it right to kill women and children?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, I think it's pretty hard to justify... I mean, yeah, I'm sure... Any war? You know, a pure defensive action, sure. But all I'm saying, look, it's all ugly. It's all hard to stomach. I've actually seen some of it up close. It's super ugly. You can say you hate it. The fact you quibble with it being morally justified.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
To intentionally kill noncombatants, women and children, I think we can say that's wrong. In fact, I thought that was the thing we were fighting against. And censorship and dictatorship, people ruling without being elected, people using force to get their will. Like, I thought that was the whole thing we were fighting against. So how about we don't become that?
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And I'm just saying all kinds of decisions are made under duress. I have made decisions under duress, foolishly, that I'm ashamed of, including supporting the Iraq war. But why are we defending it? I just don't understand that. And we're defending it, of course, because we're still doing it. And a lot of people are getting rich, and a lot of people find meaning in their otherwise barren lives.
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Rather than raising decent children, having a productive life, making something, they exist to destroy. I just think that's evil.
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I'm not implying it. I never imply anything. I just say things.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Implying things is for girls. I'm just telling you what I think.
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Right. You're arguing against a construct that you created in order to argue against. Not really. I'm being super straightforward.
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Go on. Let me finish. I'm saying when you intentionally kill women and children, when you wage war through fear by murdering the civilian population, I don't think that's a good thing, and I don't think you should be defending it, and I don't know why it's such a threat to say that out loud.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, first of all, the country had a coup sponsored by the United States government, the CIA, in 2014. So everything that happened subsequent to that, I don't think we could call part of the democratic process. But just Zelensky personally is not elected. He's not an elected leader. He rules by force. There's no election that gives him legitimacy. So that's not a defense of Putin.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If you're firebombing someone's city, as we did Tokyo, as you guys did Dresden, and a lot of other cities, by the way, in both of those countries, if you're dropping atomic weapons in the middle of town on a Catholic church, I don't know why you have to look back 80 years later and be like, that was a great thing. It wasn't a great thing. It was a shameful thing.
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And we should be better than that because we're not savages, because we're Christians.
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Okay, apparently you don't.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They're nihilistic. I'm not defending the murder of any eight-year-olds. What you're doing is expressing a species of nihilism. The whole point is we are better than you because we have limits. There are some things—I'm not going to rape your wife. I'm just not. How do you stop— Hold on. Let me finish. I am not going to behave like an animal. You are. That's why we're at war.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You bombed preemptively my Pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor. We weren't even at war. Why did you do that? That's outrageous. We're going to punish you for doing it. I get it. But we're not like you. Not punish, defend. Of course, we're not defending. There was no threat of invasion. If you're the United States, I mean, you live in a tiny island nation. I think there was a real threat.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It was an attack on our fleet. It's a mass attack on America. I'm not defending Pearl Harbor. I don't think Roosevelt should have let it happen, which he did. But once it happened, what do you do? You attack them back. I get it. So you agree? Okay, but hold on. There are finer distinctions here. Really? You'd attack them back? Let me finish my fucking sentence.
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Yes, it was morally defensible to attack them back. Thank you. Thank you. You agree with me? But it depends what attack means. You agree with me?
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You didn't qualify. You didn't qualify. You say it's okay to molest children. Why do you say that? You're like, I didn't say that. No, you just said it's okay to molest children.
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It's like hilarious. America. You said America attacking. They're like, they end the interview and they're like, what just happened? Actually, you'll be saying that. He just told me what I believe, and then he attacked me for believing it. It's so hilarious. I love that. It's like a species of masturbation. Like, you don't need another person present.
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Okay, let me just say. You don't ever want to wind up in a place where you're defending the killing of children. You just don't.
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Yes, I do believe... Can I ask you just, since we're still on Hiroshima and Nagasaki... Hard to say to make the case for Nagasaki, but whatever. Why not, if you have this fantastic new weapon and you want to prevent, somehow you're required to invade Japan. Like, I don't know why we'd be required to invade Japan, by the way. Like, no one ever answers that question. They just attack you?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
no, they attacked us four years earlier and we've now beaten them and driven them out of the Philippines and Malaysia and all this stuff. We've won. Why do we have to invade mainland Japan? No one ever answers that question. We just kind of have to because we have to. Okay, I'm not second-guessing the military leadership of the Second World War, but I am second-guessing this.
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Why wouldn't you bomb just military installations? Why drop these bombs in the middle of a city When you know that overwhelmingly the incinerated people will be civilians. Like, why would you do that? I would not do that. I would say, I have the bomb, okay. We're going to drop it on, you know, critical military infrastructure, arms manufacturing plants, on, you know, a fleet.
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It's merely an attack on the idea that Putin's the only dictator in this contest. How is Zelensky not a dictator? Do you think Putin's a dictator? I guess, yeah. I mean, I guess. I mean, if I stand up outside the Kremlin and say, down with Vladimir Putin, I'm probably in trouble. That's why I don't live in Russia. Right.
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Why would you drop it?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Japan, in the summer of 1945, was in no position to kill any American civilians. Period. So I think they floated a couple of firebombs over Oregon three years before. But the point is, look, I don't want to, I understand, you know, people do their best under pressure. They make mistakes. I've made a million of them. I'm not judging even Harry Truman, who I do think was kind of a pig, but whatever.
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I'm not even judging. Maybe we would have done the same thing. I'm just saying 80 years later, why defend that? What's the point? I think it was morally justified. To kill 200,000 civilians? Yeah. So then we wouldn't have to invade, which we didn't have to anyway.
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Because they refused to surrender. Okay, but we'd kicked them out of all of their colonies. We'd driven them back to their island. You don't dispute dropping those bombs at the end of the war, do you? Well, I am disputing it. That's what I'm doing right now. You did end the war. Oh, disputing that it ended the war. Sure, of course. So the means and effect were correct.
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I'm also not disputing that bringing down the Twin Towers changed the United States. Like, if you commit enough killing, you will change people's behavior, including getting them to surrender. My only question is, is it worth it? And what are you becoming when you participate in it? I think that's a meaningful question that nobody addresses. Who am I? I'm a decent person. I am...
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I'm an imperfect person. This is how Americans, I think, should think of themselves and mostly do. But I'm also representative of an enlightened country, product of an enlightened civilization called Western civilization. And there are certain things I will not do, even if they benefit me. I'm not doing that because I'm not that guy. I don't kill children. I don't rape women.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't send women into battle to defend me. which I guess we now do. That's wrong.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That is a calculation that Israel has to make. I don't want to have anything to do with that. You have no view? No view? It's hard to take a lecture from someone who just admitted that he hates Israel in every fiber of his body. I never said that. You said that. Now you're distracting. No, no. I'm not distracting. You're the one who said that. You're now distracting.
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You said, I hate Benjamin Netanyahu.
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He shouldn't be leader. With an irrational hatred that, you know, I don't know where it comes from. I can't account for what's in your soul. I don't have an x-ray into what's deep inside you. But all you said was, I hate him.
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No, no, but is Zelensky legitimate? How is he legitimate if he's not elected? How could you support an unelected leader? Well, he's the president of a country. Well, he calls himself that, but there's no election that made him president. He blew past the election and said, oh, there's a war. We can't have an election. We're going to change the Constitution. So how is that a legitimate leader?
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My criteria apply solely—and this is a thread of consistency throughout my arguments here and everywhere for the last 20 years— They have to with the behavior of the United States, which is my country. And it's been my family's country for hundreds of years. I pay my full taxes. I feel very vested. I'm a shareholder in my country. So its behavior matters greatly to me.
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I'm implicated in its behavior. And I don't want the United States to participate in things that are counter to its interests or counter to the values of Western civilization. That's really simple. So other countries do all kinds of abominable things, including cannibalism, a lot, actually, and human sacrifice, a lot, actually, And, you know, OK, they're not my country.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So I don't want the United States involved in anything that's morally indefensible or counter to its own interests. Period.
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I'll tell you what I think.
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I'm in the process of telling you. Go on, then. Stand back. Let the flower bloom. Okay? Stop tending the garden, Pierce. I hate the fact that civilians are killed with American weapons. I hate it. I hate it in Ukraine. I hate it in Gaza. I hate it in the occupied territories, wherever we're calling them these days.
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I think in the specific case of Israel, we have been closely allied with the Israeli government, you know, since the 1950s. We're actually instrumental in the creation of Israel, so since the late 40s. And I think that there are times when our interests have aligned, and there are times, the transfer of military technology to China being one of them, where those interests diverge.
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I would very much appreciate an environment in the United States where Americans could speak openly about what their money is doing in a bunch of different foreign countries, including that one.
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And I think that we should reassess all our relationships, all our alliances with our allies on the basis of whether or not it's good for the United States on a bunch of different levels, economically, whether it's good for our internal politics, whether it's good for our power abroad, et cetera, et cetera.
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And yes, more than... I really think that we need a much more honest conversation about our relationship with Israel. And I feel, if I can just say one thing and brag... I feel like I'm one of the only people in the United States who's not emotional on the topic. Everyone's so emotional about it. They hate Israel. They love Israel. It's like, I'm American, okay? I like Israel.
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How could you support something like that? That seems, I don't know, like a dictatorship.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't love any country other than my own. And I think we should have a rational conversation about this. And at this point, as you well know, we don't. So that's my actual position.
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In general, your relationships with your neighbors are your problem. In my home, my neighbors, I own my house. I can't leave. But it's also an American problem because American military is being used. No, but you make calculations about your behavior based on what you can achieve based on what you think your interests are. And that's true at the homeowner level and it's true at the nation level.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So you deal with your neighbors and that's your problem. And if you're in a fight with your neighbors, it's up to you to resolve it. It's not my problem. I do not have to resolve your disputes with your neighbors. And that is true of Ukraine and it's true of Israel. I'm sorry. I wish you well. I may have, you know, obviously I like Israel because I like going there.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I know Israelis and I really like them.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So this is why we support Stalin against Hitler, because Hitler's bad, so Stalin must be good, but no, Stalin's also a dictator. So how about we just don't support dictators if we're against supporting dictators?
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Oh, it's the best. I mean, to visit, it's the best.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I like Palestinian people too that I've met. I do too. And there are a lot of Christians. The one thing, I'll just be honest, since you're pushing me on this, that makes me a little bit emotional is there are a lot of Christians, Christian Arabs. And having traveled a lot, I can say just as a matter of personal preference, I really like them.
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I've never met a Christian Arab that I didn't like, actually. I think they're really amazing people. And a lot of them have been killed or mistreated with American money and weapons. And I think it's disgusting. And I think it's especially disgusting that Christian leaders in the United States have said nothing because they're bullied and bought off.
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And I think they should feel shame because they've dodged their duty, which is to speak up on behalf of their brothers in Christ. And they haven't. And there are Christians in Gaza who were killed. There are a ton in the West Bank. And by the way, that's the cradle of Christianity. Where's the Church of the Nativity? It's in Bethlehem.
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Yeah, that's the Pope thing. I'm not getting involved. I'm not a Catholic. Sorry. You're going to have to deal with them. It's your pope, not mine. So we were in a meeting here at TCN the other day and I looked around the room and every other person had a kind of ruddy vitality. Pink cheeks, alertness, bright eyes, full mental acuity and a cheerfulness you could almost smell.
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Or you could take my position, which is I don't want a dictatorship in my own country because I live in a free country, but we're going to have relations with the country that helps us most, up to a certain limit. We're not going to be allies with Stalin because that's too evil. We're not Winston Churchill or FDR or something. We're not going to go that far.
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Again, that's 8sleep.com slash Tucker. Better sleep today and look great in your morning meetings as our guys do. No, but in general, I'm speaking about the United States, Protestants in the United States, that's the world that I'm from that I understand.
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They have an obligation to stand up for their brother Christians around the world, and they don't in this specific case because they're intimidated. And I think that's really shameful, and I think they should feel shame for it. It's not a political question. It's not, do you hate Israel? It's like, I don't hate Israel.
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Anybody who murders Christians, defenseless Christians, the religion of peace, the actual religion of peace, I'm opposed to that, and we should just say that. That's not controversial. It should not be controversial. And it just shows how totally afraid and lacking self-confidence Christians are to just say, like, I'm sorry. I'm not, like, attacking me, but I'm opposed to that.
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You can't use my money to kill Christians. Blow up a church. No. Or to storm the Church of the Nativity. That's my religion. No. You don't get a dollar if you do that. And by the way, we're not giving you any money until you promise to treat Christians well. as equals. You know what I mean? That's how I personally feel, and I think all Christians should feel that way. It's not attacking anybody.
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It's just a baseline demand of, like, dignity and respect, and they don't get it.
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But in general, we will deal with countries that help us. But when we start having moral conversations about other countries, then we have to stick by our own standards. And by your standard, you're supporting a dictator. I wonder how you can do that, Piers Morgan.
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Yeah.
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I didn't tweet out, I love you, Vladimir Putin. You didn't need to. You look great in yoga.
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But I didn't say it on Twitter.
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I don't give a shit what people think. But I didn't tweet, Vladimir Putin, you're fabulous.
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I didn't need to. Body language said it for you. Start humping his leg in the interview? No. Anyway. No, I'm against dictatorship. And I don't want to send money to dictators. Does it bother you that your tax dollars go to a dictator?
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If your prime minister decided not to have another election... Zelensky had literally been leader for what, two years?
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I think Putin has been in 24. 24? I'm not defending Putin. I'm just saying, like, all dictatorship is bad. Like, a little dollop of dictatorship is as bad as a mouthful of dictatorship. I'm just against dictatorship. I'm for democracy. Inspiring, passionate, determined, and resolute. That's what you called Zelensky.
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Inspiring, passionate, determined, and resolute. And very handsome, though. That's implied. I would agree with all of those things. He would. Yes.
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When he assassinates his political opponents or when he steals USAID or he allows his generals to sell half the missiles they get from the United States to the Mexican drug cartels and Iran and everyone else in the black market, is that inspiring?
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Okay. You say they're facts, but other people dispute them. Who disputes that they're selling weapons in Ukraine on the black market? I don't think anyone disputes that. I'm sure that's happening. Oh, it's happening. Yeah. Who disputes that Zelensky's murdered his political opponents? No one. Has he? You think he personally has ordered the murders? Well, he's in charge of the country.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But how is he not a dictator?
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Do you think he has? He's the dictator. You just said he did.
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Oh, yeah. No, I think there's a long history of that in the region, poisoning your enemies. Putin has done that. It seems clear to me. I'm not sending him money. I'm not calling him passionate, determined, resolute, and handsome.
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Let me ask you a really easy question. Now that you have been, like me, fired from your cushy mainstream media gig... How much happier are you and why? And looking back at the television networks and newspapers, how many newspapers do you work for? I ran two of the big ones in the UK. Yeah, right. But over your whole career, how many did you work for? I worked for three, four actually.
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Okay, right. So you've been at every stage of British media. Looking back, how do you feel about them?
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Well, sure. But I meant all true. Totally true. But I'm really asking about the honesty level. Yeah. So now you have a gig where you can say whatever you want. You're your own boss. You can make a real living. I have no idea how you're doing, but given your numbers are huge. So I bet you you're probably making more than you made before in that range anyway.
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So it's all great, but the greatest part is you can say exactly what you want. How would you compare that to your previous case?
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Okay, that's a totally fair position. I mean, I guess I disagree, sort of, but I don't think what you're saying is crazy at all. How is that more illegal than running a country without an election and banning a religious denomination? I don't understand that. So yeah, you could certainly say Putin did a lot of bad things. I would readily agree to that to the extent I understand it.
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They're like compulsive liars.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think we are politically aligned. I think... We are in many ways. You do own guns. I know that you do. I know that you do. And I know that you think this whole Ukraine thing is insane.
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I know that you do. I can see it in your eyes. Like, how do I get out of this?
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Not all use of guns is equal, right? Some is counterproductive.
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No, you didn't. We did. I mean, it's measurable. How many people got stabbed in London in 1970 or shot compared to now? Sure, but there are... It's a massive increase because the people, the attitudes of the people... the actions of the people are totally different. You've got different people and different behaviors. And like, you can't admit that because I'm not sure why.
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I do think immigration has changed your country for the much, much worse. Well, it certainly changed the country. Much worse. That's my opinion. But it's not just immigrants who are behaving badly at all. There are a lot of native-born indigenous Brits who are behaving badly. That is totally true.
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And there are a lot of immigrants in your country who are kind of superior, actually, if we're being totally honest, who are really impressive. Yeah. I'm not making a blatant statement. I'm just saying that the behavior has changed of the people who live there, right? You can't be trusted with guns now because you're out of control.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But we're supporting, my government and your government particularly, are supporting this dictator in Ukraine who's oppressing Christians, who is banning people's native language and books in their native language. He's a book burner! And like, that's totally cool because we hate Putin. That's not totally cool. So would you just let Putin take Ukraine?
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So you're afraid of your government, which doesn't trust you because it's a dictatorship.
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Well, you ban SSRIs immediately. Immediately. You ban? SSRIs. You ban whole categories. The medication. Psychoactive. Absolutely. Like immediately. Yeah. I mean, the truth is that drugs and alcohol drive a lot of our social ills. A lot of them. And when people are sober, and I would say, if you're on Xanax or Prozac, you're not sober. Right. I agree. Right.
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But certainly alcohol and meth, you know, most of our social problems are either caused or exacerbated by alcohol. by the drugs that people take. That's just a fact. And mass shootings are definitely in that category. So, look, as you found out, your knife crime has just exponentially jumped recently. And that's not because there are more knives.
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People use them at dinner every night and have for hundreds of years, since the Roman times, they've used knives and not stabbed each other. It's because people are behaving differently. Why is that? I must say, all the gun control people who want to send all the guns to Ukraine so they can go...
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kill other eastern europeans it's like it's sort of weird do you think that's weird no one thing is weird about the question i asked you is simply that if i was an american there's a lot of gun crime in ukraine are you adding to that well it's a war it's a different thing it's gun crime i call gun crime people getting killed you think ukraine defending itself is a crime i think there are a lot of people getting killed with guns and i think it's really sad and we should disarm ukraine really
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, sure, people are getting killed with guns. They shouldn't have. There should be strict controls on guns in Ukraine. Automatic weapons. You guys are sending automatic weapons to Ukraine to kill other human beings. I just think that I'm just not comfortable with that morally. I see what you're doing, Tucker.
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Because we're free.
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Because we're free, because no one can tell us. We can't defend ourselves.
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And then you guys, after the Second World War, which was like a liberation war, and you won, you lost all your freedom. And now you can't even express your political opinions or they put you in jail. So like, how did you win? How did you win? Is that what victory looks like? You lose all your rights. Your economy gets destroyed. You get robbed by bankers. And all of a sudden, oh, I won.
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I'm as free as you could possibly want a human being to be. You can't defend yourself. You can't control who comes into your country. And you can't criticize government policies or you get arrested. So how are you free? You're a slave, aren't you? No. Really? How free are you? We have cultural problems in our country.
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I would say let's have an election in Ukraine and let the Ukrainian people elect their own leader and get rid of the midget dictator who now oppresses them, Zelensky. And I would definitely not support a guy who's not elected as a democratic figure because by definition, he's not. By definition. I don't care who his enemies are. He's not worth calling president.
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Could you go on Facebook right now and say, I don't want any more immigrants in my country. They're making it worse.
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Maybe he doesn't want asylum seekers in his country. I mean, is that okay?
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How is that caring and compassionate? Your native population is in massive decline.
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We're very compassionate. We do have a lot of stabbings. Fine.
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You didn't have, like, really any stabbings 20 years ago. Now you've got a ton of stabbings, but everything's totally fine, and if you complain about it, you're going to jail.
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All free people have a right to defend themselves. Bare arms? Of course.
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In the United States, which is governed by a system we inherited with great gratitude from you, from the English, a person has a... right, which is we believe God-given, it's inherent, we were born with it because we're not slaves, we're free people, to say what he thinks is true, period. Period. And government has to not only not infringe on that right, but protect it.
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It exists to protect that right. Your system is a little different. We took it a little farther and enshrined that in our Bill of Rights, which unfortunately you don't have. I bet you wish you did. But... From an American perspective, the idea that you would ever punish someone for talking... But that wasn't why that guy was punished. That may be right. I would not contest that. It is right.
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He was literally inciting a riot. But you would also not contest that there are hundreds of people who have gone to jail in the last five years in the UK for expressing opinions. That is a fact.
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I don't think they were charged with that.
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He defamed?
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How many of your leaders have gone to jail for lying? What? How many of your leaders have gone to jail for lying? They lie constantly. Not enough. Not enough. Right around zero, actually. But they throw powerless people in jail for saying things they don't like.
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a beacon of democracy if he doesn't even have it? Why not have an election in Ukraine today? Because we've got a war. We had elections in our country during the Second World War. So did you. Like, why not hold him to democratic standards? I've got no problem with saying he should have an election. What about banning a Christian denomination? Yeah, I don't agree with any of those things.
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Go and check it.
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I'm just pausing because I don't know if that's true. It is true. I think I would be opposed to that. It is true. Do people go to jail in the United States for defamation? Yep. Oh, they face civil judgment.
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People have gone to jail. I think you're making this up out of nothing. No, I'm not. Go and check it. Oh, let me check with an actual American. You're an American, right? This is my college roommate. Oh, he was born in the UK. But this is my college roommate. He's an attorney.
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I'm unpleased, obviously, but... I think I'm going to dismiss that as absurd. I've never... No, no, no, I'll take the fifth. But the point is, you should never allow anybody in your country to go to jail for having unpopular opinions.
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The Criminal Prosecution Service, CPS, shared a video on X warning people about using social media. And it stated this, and I'm quoting. I can't do the English accent, but this is what they said. Try it. Think before you post! Exclamation point. Content that incites violence or hatred isn't just harmful, it can be illegal. Paging George Orwell.
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The CPS takes online violence seriously and will prosecute when the legal test is met. Remind those close to you to share responsibility or face the consequences. That's just like North Korea at that point. You're inciting hatred? If you're inciting violence against people.
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No, that's directing violence. Inciting violence. Well, that's the same thing. No, it's not the same. It's not the same. So if I say, peers, I want you to go... Go and beat up Alex. Right. That's inciting and directing violence. It's the same thing. You could say... Same thing. It's not the same. What's the difference? Hold on. I'll tell you what the difference is.
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Your government is saying that some opinions are so inflammatory that they inspire people to commit acts of violence.
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Okay. That is a definition that justifies censorship.
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How do you measure hatred? Do you have a hatred meter? Me? Does UK government? I mean, you're defending it. No, I'm not defending.
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But if I say something that the government doesn't like, and this is, of course, it's all self-preservation here. They're not. No one is ever penalized for attacking. If you get up and you say, I hate Vladimir Putin and all Russians. Mm-hmm. You're not going to go to jail in the UK for that because that's the official policy of your government. You wouldn't go to prison in the UK? No!
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They could lynch Russians and they'd be like, well, you have a right to say that.
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No, it's not. That's not what it says. That's not true. The cases you're talking about are people who've been in prison. Content that incites hatred isn't just harmful, it can be illegal. So my criteria... Okay, but I'm talking about your government, and I'm asking why. I told you I don't agree with it. Well, that's dictatorship from what I can tell. I don't, yes. I'm saying not dictatorship.
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The government is saying things that we hate are illegal. I'm half agreeing with you. Yeah, good. So what are you doing to change it? So you've got a prime minister now. I'm on my show regularly saying I think it's wrong. But at a certain point, don't people have a right to do what the American colonists did? And that's to throw off tyranny because their rights are inherent.
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Well, it was not a sovereign country. It was controlled by the United States. They installed their government in a coup in 2014. It's a very puppet of the United States and Great Britain. So they're not sovereign at all. Do you think they're a democracy? Well, their leader's not elected, so by definition, they're not a democracy.
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They're given by God because they're human beings. So you want them to be violent? Of course not. I'm totally opposed to violence. You're the one who was justifying firebombing stuff. What's the example you just gave? Wasn't it conducted with violence? Of course not. But you should be single-minded in getting a government that permits people to live like human beings, not like slaves, right?
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Yeah, well, inciting violence is an absurd standard because, and they tried to take me out many times with this, some wacko will go shoot innocents and be like, he watched this show or... He had the same opinions as you. It's like, I couldn't be more against violence. I'm mad at my government because it funds violence around the world.
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So inciting violence is just a way to get your critics to shut up. So you need to loot their country and wreck it.
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That's not inciting. That's like directing. It's like being a criminal master.
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You know as well as I, and I don't know why you would defend it, that your government is stifling criticism of itself, of its own illegitimate leadership, using law enforcement.
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But they flooded your country. We had riots last summer in Pawtucket. And that's very unpopular with the native population. Always has been. Always has been. And the government for 40 years has told them in increasing volume to shut up and stop complaining. And now it's putting them in jail for complaining about it. That's the truth. It's not as simplistic as that.
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Of course it's not as simplistic as that. Of course not. I agree. I'm overgeneralizing.
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You have a native population.
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Well, look what happened to your country. Hmm? But my country is by its nature different. Built on the premise of immigrants. You're a monarchy run by the head of your church. There's a monarchy here. Right. And they're living as they should, which is consistent with their values. And your country isn't. So that's all I'm saying.
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It may be a great place to vacation or they've got, you know, we're getting a lot of money from, you know, defense deals or they've got pretty women. There are lots of great things you could say about the Ukrainians. They're actually great people from what I can tell. I know a bunch of them. They're awesome. But they're definitely not a democracy. So should Putin just take the land? No.
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Really? My king, yes. What has he done to preserve England?
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Oh, I don't know. I mean... Well, he's a Christian. He should like it. He's the head of the... What is it? He's the head of the Church of England. Yeah, he does. Yeah. How's church attendance? He goes quite regularly. Come on, it's all a joke, dude. You had a Christian country, now you don't. So that's not a win. That's a failure.
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I agree. Yeah. I'm sad about that as a Christian. So can I ask you, Keir Starmer... seems like the most unpopular, now that Trudeau's gone, the most unpopular leader in the West.
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Can he hang on?
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What did the farmers do wrong? I never understood that.
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But it's happened throughout Europe and the United States, attacking farmers. And it seems like part of a bigger... It should reward farmers. Farmers are the lifeblood of any... But I guess what I'm saying is, right, but if you're looking big picture, if you're opposed to famine and you're for human flourishing and people, then you'd want to do whatever you could to have enough food. I agree.
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And if country by country by country, Germany, Great Britain, Denmark, Holland, they're all attacking farmers, United States, maybe there's a bigger anti-human agenda at work.
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So what happens? I don't know. We should stop paying for the slaughter of the entire Ukrainian population.
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Yeah. Of all the groups you'd attack, why farmers? Makes no sense. It does make sense though, doesn't it? Why? Well, clearly there's an effort to reduce the human population. If all these countries... You think he wants to starve the Brits and kill us? Well, I don't know. You can't assess the motives of individuals. They're unknowable. He's not trying to starve the British people. Okay.
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I don't know him. I don't know what he's trying to do. No, I'm talking... No, no, no. No, you come on. Look around the world. Government after government after government around the world is endorsing policies that they know will reduce birth rates... is attacking agriculture and is allowing, I don't know, drugs and food that kill people and make them less healthy.
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So if you add that all up, you don't have to know their motives. You just look at the effects and you're like, the effect is to kill people. What is going on here? Do you ever wonder that? Crap governance by a series. But it's consistent around. It's like every country is like, you know, we saw people kill themselves.
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bad, bad politicians. But why is every politician in every Western country coming to the same set of policies whose effect is fewer children, More unhealthy dead people. I mean, you don't have to be a conspiracy now to just say, I'm looking at just the numbers. How many kids per family dropping?
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Well, I don't know. I mean, when, you know, Congo invades its neighbors, like, it's not axiomatic that we should be involved.
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And they're going a long way. A lot of averages would suggest that, like, I don't know, the governments of Spain, Belgium, New Zealand, pick another. Mexico would adopt the opposite policies. Like, we're going to pay you to have more kids.
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I agree with that.
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Have we ended on agreement? I just want to know, since you're, I think, good at predictions, how do you think the war in Ukraine will end?
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I totally agree, but do you think it's kind of... I strongly agree with you, and I have for two and a half years, but why is it only now that we're getting sort of more realistic casualty figures? How could a government fund a war without knowing how many people died in that war?
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I think the US and British governments have both lied about it and kept those numbers from the public. And I feel like that's a crime.
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I hope you'll go back to Great Britain and grab him by the throat and make him tell the truth.
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Well, I was in college and drunk. Did you basically agree with it? Yeah, I mean, I had a lot of dumb ideas. Storming Norman Schwarzkopf? I thought it was okay to drink beer in the morning.
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And it solves a lot of problems. I think that's really smart. Yeah. You know, the energy, the attitude. All of it. Why are people doing heroin in the first place? Yeah. Why would you want to do fentanyl? Yeah, yeah. Because you're hopeless. We have a terrible drugs problem. No, I agree. In our country. Terrible. You have a bad drugs problem in America. And you solve it with attitude. Yeah, you do.
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Piers Morgan, thank you for taking all this time. I enjoyed it. It's great to see you in Saudi Arabia. Let's do it again sometime. Thank you. Thanks very much. That was awesome. Enjoyed it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, that was I mean, that's the kind of war that in theory I would support. You say we have energy interests in this region. We want to keep it stable. When you start getting theoretical, like we're preserving democracy by supporting dictators.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Maybe. I don't see that. What I'm thinking is that the... What I don't like is the moral overlay because it's fatuous and fraudulent. He's not, this is not a democratic country. He is a dictator. We've supported many dictators. We supported Mobutu in Zaire, which no longer exists because he was a bulwark against the Soviets, we thought, and a million others.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right. So, no, I said I was drunk in college. I haven't really thought I said. But theoretically, you could make the case because they had the United States. We need cheap energy. We're going to go to war to preserve cheap energy. You know, that's not a crazy thing to say. Maybe I could support that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm aware, which is why you probably don't want to kill all of its farmers and sell all of its farmland, which is what we've allowed to happen. Zelensky. We're not kidding. The Russians are. Well, no, this war wouldn't exist if it weren't for the money in arms that we're sending to Ukraine. It would have been over in one day. It never would have started if we hadn't said.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think, I think it's very clear, and I don't know that anyone would disagree with this, that Russia would not have invaded eastern Ukraine if... the Biden administration hadn't sent Kamala Harris to the Munich Security Conference in February of 2022 to say to Zelensky, on camera, we're going to make you a NATO country, meaning we're going to put American NATO arms on the Russian border.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Like you would not allow Chinese, your country probably would, but you shouldn't allow Chinese missiles in Scotland peering over Hadrian's Wall aimed at London. You'd be like, no, you can't do that on our border. And the Russians are like, no, you can't do that on our border. And we're like, shut up, you're Russian. You have no right to determine what happens on your border. Piss off.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They support the Ukraine. Hang on.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, whether or not Republican members of the Senate support something is immaterial.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
35 years ago, I'm just saying.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why would you want to put U.S. missiles on Russia's border? I don't understand. It's so obviously unacceptable for any sovereign nation to tolerate.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why? Why? Nuclear deterrent. Great Britain has nuclear weapons? Yes, we do.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They would have been invaded if the West hadn't said, we're going to use you as a staging ground for intimidating Russia. Like, why would we want to do that? Why not just allow, what we've done is pushed Russia into the Chinese market.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, actually, I don't I don't think I mean, I have a million theories, but these are not among them. It's not a theory to say that Russia moved into eastern Ukraine because the United States wouldn't give up on pushing for Ukraine admission into NATO when NATO did not want Ukraine. But this is also the criteria for admission.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So you are, as we say, objectively pro-polio in the characterization of the New York Times.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Was this review, the polio, the one of six licensed polio vaccines in question, you said received its license in 1990. It was 35 years ago. Did anyone over the course of 35 years say, wait a second, you know, the process used to evaluate the safety of this product was like a joke, woefully insufficient. Did anyone say anything about it for all those years up until recently?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
For the layman, what are those?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So that was the state of play as of 1986.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yeah, desperately. Kind of a life goal.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So these companies had gone out of business because of lawsuits from people who were injured.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Oh, just asking questions is not allowed. I've been penalized for just asking questions. No questions. Okay, so that's the context for this question. What is your position on the polio vaccines? And I think as you speak, you were also suggesting what Bobby Kennedy might think you are as a lawyer, but you tell me.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I know you don't like to speculate as to motive, but it does raise this- confusing question. Why would the New York Times, A, be so opposed to Bobby Kennedy? It's a liberal newspaper. He's a lifelong liberal. Was. Kennedy was. Yeah. Right. In their minds. Yeah. He is a classical liberal. Oh, I couldn't agree more. And I would say that's a compliment. He believes in civil liberties. We all should.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But why would the New York Times be willing to lie about in order to keep him from getting confirmed.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
If people are interested, the first names are great. People can find it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yes, they do.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So what's the answer to that question?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Because I think Bobby Kennedy, well, because some of them are vaccine zealots. I think that's right. I've certainly seen a lot of that. But I also think there's something about the way he assesses facts and history that's terrifying to a certain sort of person who's very vested in the current system, who's a rigid, dogmatic thinker. A lot of them are.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
A lot of the dumber people are rigid and dogmatic, in case you haven't noticed. It's a sign of mediocrity, in my opinion, but it's very common in our professional class.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Bobby, like Trump, is the kind of person who assesses things on the basis of what he sees and doesn't necessarily genuflect before, you know, the pieties that all of us have to or are required to, you know, whatever we're supposed to say. He doesn't necessarily go along with that. And that temperament is incredibly threatening. Once you start asking questions, you know, are these products safe?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
You might wind up asking other questions like, why do we have NATO? Or how was John F. Kennedy murdered? Like, what was that? I mean, there's people who asked uncomfortable questions in one area are likely to ask uncomfortable questions in other areas. And if your entire system is built on lies, that's, you know, a huge threat. Yeah.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
It was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. Five years since the beginning of COVID, tens of millions dead, societies reordered completely, economies destroyed. And yet, for some reason, we still don't know answers to the most basic questions. Where did this virus come from? How did it get here?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Why did the government tell us to do things they knew wouldn't work? None of those questions have been adequately answered. And one man knows those answers. His name is Dr. Tony Fauci. Until now, nobody has really pressed. And now a documentary filmmaker called Jenner First is out with a new film explaining exactly what happened. The film is called Thank You, Dr. Fauci.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Jenner First spent years trying to get answers. And in that time, as he awaited Dr. Fauci's response, He went through tens of thousands of pages of documents and pieced together the story, which is shocking. We are proud to host that documentary here on TCN from December 20th to January 19th. You will see it exclusively here on TCN. Again, it's called Thank You, Dr. Fauci, and it's worth it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So just to kind of tie a bow in the New York Times story element of this conversation, they made the claim that you and Bobby Kennedy are pro-polio. What other claims did they make?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So you're Bobby Kennedy's lawyer. Bobby Kennedy has been nominated by President Trump to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services, HHS. Bobby Kennedy has a, this is just my quick summary, has a very large constituency in the United States. He's not some anonymous character. He's a guy who's been around for many, many years and has many, many fans. So it's hard for
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Right. And in the case of the third petition, it wasn't just that you showed the safety testing was inadequate. There was evidence of an actual problem. The ingredients didn't match the label.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Right.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So the purpose of this piece was obviously not to report the news or tell the truth or, you know, get to the heart of anything. It was to stop Bobby Kennedy's nomination at the confirmation stage. Yeah. Has it been effective?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
um there's you know there's just no truth there's just no truth to the claim that he wants security vaccines he just wants transparency and he wants good science and we should all want that i want to ask a specific question that's bothered me for a long time so 1986 congress grants blanket immunity to the vaccine manufacturers that cannot be sued you know those are not the only products people sue over of course
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
the trial bar, which was, you know, famously the most powerful, along with teachers unions, the most powerful single constituency in the Democratic Party because it gave the most money, you know, they've lobbied to make it easy to sue over anything. You know, OBGYNs go out of business because, you know, they get sued. Why haven't they complained about this?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
um you know um maybe it's a blend of ideology and it's also none of the big plaintiffs side firms have a vaccine injury practice and the ones that do have gotten used to maybe the existing system but it's just weird i mean sue over talcum powder asbestos tobacco slip and falls i mean you name it playground equipment manufacturers the rest of the medical establishment gets food constantly
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But nobody thinks, well, wait, everyone knows there are a lot of vaccine injuries. That's not a controversial point. It's known. And no lawyer thought, well, wait a second, we need to lobby to change this law because we could save people and make a ton of money.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
It's just very strange because, you know, all of us, well, thanks to propaganda from organized lawyer lobbies,
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
have been told from birth that you know the civil law keeps us safe you know if you make a crappy product if again if as you said if your gas tank blows up some lawyer's going to sue the car manufacturer and you'll get a safer car that is that is how product safety works when you look at countries that don't have you know basically market-based systems how do their products get safer they didn't go look back at other countries in that way
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No control group? There was no control group. Isn't a control group a prerequisite for a scientific experiment?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Well, I'm glad you said drug too, because this immunity applies only to vaccines. There are lots of drugs out there. Some of them have, you know, all of them have side effects. Some of the side effects are scary as hell, but they're still on the market.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So it is a legitimate profit center for the pharma companies?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
passed as a public service in the name of public health, why did it allow vaccine manufacturers to profit? So, right, you get an immunity shield, but you're not allowed to get rich off it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
If I bring suit against the secretary of HHS on behalf of someone who's vaccine injured and I win, where does the money come from?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So the manufacturers are not on the hook for it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So the system's even more grotesque than you described. There's a product made by a publicly traded company, a private company, non-government. The government requires its citizens to buy the product The manufacturer product cannot be sued if the product is faulty. And if someone's injured, they have to fight the government to get paid.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
And when they do get paid, the manufacturer doesn't have to pay.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But you could be for vaccines. I'm not sure I am, but you could be. Many people are. I always have been. And still demand good vaccines. I'm for cars. I think it's fair to expect they're not going to blow up. It doesn't even make sense.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
You graduate law school, you went to Berkeley? I went to Berkeley for law school, yes. And what did you plan on doing when you graduated? How did you wind up here?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So- A couple of quick questions. Please. I've never heard of that. I've never heard of an experiment without a control group. And three days is obviously inadequate to judge the safety or the efficacy, for that matter, of a product. So how did federal health regulators sign off on that?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Who pushed that proposition?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Hard to know.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
You have to have that if you're going to do a job like yours.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
As expected what?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
People didn't want your services as a lawyer because you had challenged a flu vaccine mandate.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
You're very diplomatic because that's grotesque.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I mean, lawyers at big firms defend pro bono, you know, death row inmates who have, you know, murdered people, raped children. I mean, and that's fine. You know what I mean? But you can't defend the rights of parents to educate their children?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
How did your views, so you didn't expect this, your life to take this turn, it sounds like.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
What has this done to your personal life? I mean, did you, like people you know, your family, your friends, your law school, classmates, what do people think of what you're doing?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I think some people- Okay, but the attitude you just described, which I think is rational and science-based and admirable, by the way, is not shared by a lot of people. So you said that there was a cost to your business- Yes. When you started representing these clients, was there a cost to your friendships? I guess that's what I'm asking.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Because they believe the category of products is so virtuous that the details aren't important?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yeah, I think Bobby got blamed for that.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But I do want to ask you to pause and try to solve a mystery that I've been thinking about for a long time, and I really don't understand it. What accounts for the religious attachment of certain people, particularly affluent, well-educated people, to vaccines as a category?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
his opponents, who are many in Washington, to take him on directly. And so they are trying to discredit him preemptively before the vote. This is my read. And the latest way that they have done this is by accusing him and you of trying to limit access of Americans to the polio vaccine, the one vaccine that most people think is great. I think that's a fair summary.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
From babies that are aborted. From abortion clinics.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Parts of it are available on X and I watched part of it in preparation for this interview and was so shocked and revolted by it. I was already on your side, obviously, as a parent of a child who was vaccine injured.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So I'm in tune with everything you're saying, but that deposition with Dr. Stanley Plotkin, who's still alive, 93, I checked, was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my life.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No, I watched selections of it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
but they're all older than three months, he said.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So this is answering the question, why is this a religion for some people? There is a, I mean, there's some heavy stuff going on.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I mean, there are a million medicines out there and prophylactics, and there are all kinds of treatments for all kinds of diseases, but people take a kind of cooler, less emotional view of them. Chemotherapy saves lives, but there are downsides to chemotherapy, and most people are like, you know, kind of weighing it out. Is it worth taking chemo or not, right?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No, no, no, for people who support them. There's a human sacrifice quality here. Sorry. That was my takeaway from that interview. And I think you actually asked him, are you an atheist? Yes, I am.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
There's a show, but this vaccines are grown with the cells of aborted baby tongues.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So where do the bodies come from? Do we know?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
This is like really beyond, beyond that this happens.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But vaccines quickly become religious, like almost immediately. Like even the word has an emotional power that no other treatment or medicine does. And this has been true for a long time. Why is that? What is that?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I don't know if I want to know. Okay. More, I mean, you do, as you hear this, you think, you know, this can't continue. This is too, this is tampering with the secret sauce of nature. So, you know, this will not end well at all.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No, no, no, I mean, you've just shocked me. I know, I mean, yeah.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But they were disproportionately ultra-Orthodox Jews from Brooklyn. Yes.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yes. Yes. The good news about, it's a group I like in general, but they're also politically organized. So pretty dumb of the city of New York to do that.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
And worship their God.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I've never talked about that at all.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I, I, Yeah, well, I've learned more in this interview than I expected to, and you've single-handedly raised my regard for lawyers. And I never do this, but I want to do it in your case. Tell us the name of your firm.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
In New York?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So for people who have a family member who suffered an injury... you're open to talking to them about next steps.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
They're the ones who believe the science.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So, uh, Is, is Bobby Kinning gonna get confirmed, do you think?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Aaron Seery, thank you very much.
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But in those specific communities, in the richest, best educated communities, you know, I don't think you saw a lot of thank you, Dr. Fauci signs in Gary, Indiana or Detroit. You saw them in Bethesda, you know, Santa Monica, Brookline, D.C.
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Prepared with vaccines.
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In fact, I would replace the word pragmatic with humane.
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Your job was just to heal.
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Yeah.
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And the bottom line is the vaccine.
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It was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. Five years since the beginning of COVID, tens of millions dead, societies reordered completely, economies destroyed. And yet, for some reason, we still don't know answers to the most basic questions. Where did this virus come from? How did it get here?
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Why did the government tell us to do things they knew wouldn't work? None of those questions have been adequately answered. And one man knows those answers. His name is Dr. Tony Fauci. Until now, nobody has really pressed. And now a documentary filmmaker called Jenner First is out with a new film explaining exactly what happened. The film is called Thank You, Dr. Fauci.
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Jenner First spent years trying to get answers. And in that time, as he awaited Dr. Fauci's response, he went through tens of thousands of pages of documents and pieced together the story, which is shocking. We are proud to host that documentary here on TCN from December 20th to January 19th. You will see the exclusively here on TCN. Again, it's called Thank You, Dr. Fauci, and it's worth it.
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Welcome to the Tucker Carlson Show. We bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere else. And they're not censored, of course, because we're not gatekeepers. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at TuckerCarlson.com. Here's the episode. So I just want to set this conversation.
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Maybe. Maybe there's another explanation. One of the things that I learned but never hadn't known before was that there are a lot of people in our public health establishment who think vaccines are the point. The point. And this has gone on. I've never been against vaccines and, you know, always been grateful for the Salk vaccine, etc. Took a bunch of vaccines myself.
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but I always assumed that they were sort of tools used by physicians to heal people, to save people from illness. I didn't realize that this mindset was very different from that. They were almost like vaccines were the point. And this goes back, you know, I mean, Diego Rivera, I think, painted a mural panel about vaccines. Like the worship of vaccines is,
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For their own sake is longstanding, and I don't understand it. What is that? Do you have any insight?
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I want to go through what actually happened. First, I want to thank you for making this. But I want, because everything is so politicized, particularly COVID, I just want to be clear for our viewers who you are. You know, opposition to COVID policy, to mandatory vaccination, questions about where the virus came from. These are kind of staples on the right.
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But the nature of an mRNA vaccine, as distinct from conventional vaccines, is risky.
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But, I mean, I think a layman would say correctly that in doing that, you're potentially tampering with the formula of life, right?
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Yes. And the idea of an mRNA vaccine itself sort of raises a lot of questions. Are you sure that's a good idea? I mean, what if it actually, what if it does change your DNA? That's not crazy to think that.
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It did. We can say that.
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That, you know, I remember hosting guests who suggested that early and were, like, banished from public life. Yeah. All but arrested for saying that. Now we know it's true, but do we know the ramifications of that?
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Well, they're living organisms, for one thing. They're not static, so you can't fully understand them.
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They weren't at the time, by the way, I can tell you, but they are now. And, you know, silence and signs that say thank you, Dr. Fauci are sort of signifiers of liberalism.
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I don't quite know how that happened, but it did. Where are you?
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I've interviewed a lot of documentary filmmakers. I've never met one able to explain his subject matter as clearly as you are. So thank you for that. I just want to go back to something you said at the beginning. You said that COVID first made an appearance outside the lab in August of 2019.
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That summer.
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My wife got sick in November in Spain.
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So that implies you don't think the politics drove it. Politics was a tool that the people behind this used to subdue the population.
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I know the feeling very well. I know the feeling. Yeah, I mean, I didn't understand. I still don't understand a lot of it. I have many more questions for you, but I went on the basis of instinct, and it was just clear that there was lying. There had never been an effective COVID measure. coronavirus vaccine, and there had been a disaster with the previous coronavirus vaccine.
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I remember that very well. And so I just thought, you know, I don't know what this is, but it doesn't smell good. I'm not putting it in my body. But I had no idea that it could be this dark. I agree with you completely. So... Let's just get back to, I just want to tie up one.
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No, no, we're not editing this.
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No, you're telling a wonderfully coherent story. I really, I've never seen, as I said, a filmmaker explain a thesis this succinctly and in such a linear way. It's amazing. There's just a lot. But I just want to go back very quickly to the question of the mRNA virus vaccine. Freudian slip. Exactly. Changing people's DNA.
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I mean, that feels like an underappreciated headline that will have civilizational effects. Do we have any sense of what that means?
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Can I say one of the smartest people I know, I was legit much smarter than I am, said to me, people who take the vax are different. I'm just telling you that. And I said, you know, you're a lunatic. And he said, they're different. I can tell. I can feel it. They're different. And they're more passive, for one thing.
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And they're more likely to sort of go along with things that before vaccinated they would have known were not true. It saps your will. It changes you. I noticed this. And I didn't buy it really because how would a vaccine change you as a person? But I never forgot it. And so I do wonder, like, are there indications?
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Yes.
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Did you get COVID? I got COVID. It felt different.
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Your will to live. And- I've been depressed one day in my entire life. 55 years, I have one day of depression. And it was when I had COVID. Right.
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But I never understood what people meant when they said, I feel depressed. I've been sad, of course, many times, which I think is healthy, but I've never had a feeling of hopelessness or true bleak nihilistic despair ever, not one time in my life until Thanksgiving 2020 when I had COVID. And I couldn't believe it. I was worried.
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You're not 80.
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Is because it was engineered and because genetics play a determinative role in illness and our response to viruses and our response to everything, is it conceivable that whether by engineering or not, that certain genetic makeups are more susceptible to illness?
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I feel like pounding my fist on the table in agreement. That's so nicely put. Okay, let's start at the beginning. What was this virus? Where did it come from?
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So do we know whether the virus escaped intentionally or by accident?
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So, I mean, that doesn't prove, but it certainly suggests, you know, an intentional act.
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Yes, it was a military lab, effectively.
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No.
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Exactly.
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So the form of research that created it is called often called gain of function and which in crude terms effectively makes a virus its manipulation of a virus to make it more dangerous in order, say, researchers to create more effective vaccines against it. I think that's correct. That's the company line. That's the company line. But it's so self-evidently reckless.
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The big question here is why would the United States be working directly with what most people assume is its main enemy, China, to create a virus that disproportionately hurts the United States and then once caught doing it, covered it up on behalf of China? And that cover-up continues.
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There are no, I mean, the economic cost alone of the United States is hard to calculate, but it's, you know, biggest ever. And there's no call for reparations from China for this.
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Yeah. Most people in their 30s now, I guess you said you're 40, but they're not buying houses.
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Like this is a renting society post-COVID. Sure. And... It'll completely transform the social structure of the United States forever.
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Right.
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That it was banned or sort of banned under the Obama administration. Is this correct?
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Couldn't agree more. And there are a lot more of them than there ever have been, ever, at any point in our history. Huge. I'm very aware of that. So the question of why does Washington continue to cover it up might be answered just by noting because they're the beneficiaries of it and they've got something to hide. So like, why would they?
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Yep.
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I agree.
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I agree. I mean, that's what that's what in the end the trans stuff does is it does serve both parties, actually. And I think the race hatred that has been imposed on us is not organic, does the same. It's it's all intentional.
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It hurts both sides. Well, it destroys your society, ultimately. But it definitely distracts people from, you know, other things. You know, go hate each other. Leave us alone as we elude it.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah. And he's not the only one who got assassinated for moving in that direction. A lot of people. Yeah. So I just want to touch on the public health response after the virus became universal. And you talked about why you think there was relentless focus on vaccines, the exclusion of other vaccines.
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uh potential remedies um medicines but masking you know physical separation of people it was super obvious right away those were not effective but they they were policy for years after that what was that i think that
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Do you think we're getting the outline of the public health disasters caused by the COVID virus and by the lockdowns? I mean, are we getting a sense of what the consequences are?
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That's a fair assumption.
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China had the World Military Games, as you said, but it also sent, you know, hundreds of thousands of its citizens around the world, including from central China around Wuhan, including to Milan, Italy and all of Western Europe. And after they knew that this pandemic had begun, that the virus was on the loose. How do you explain that?
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Those are big facts to keep secret for five years. Yeah.
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So, I don't understand. I know I keep beginning every sentence, but I don't understand.
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Well, after five years, where are the people, where are the courageous people in the media or the Congress or the executive branch? Where are the courageous physicians, the researchers, the NIH?
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Wonderful, wonderful man.
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And he's a decent human being.
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He's got no weird agenda. I totally agree.
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Yep.
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Russia.
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And do we have any sense of what the effect will be?
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Mortality?
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So why were there bio labs in Ukraine?
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It's not a conspiracy theory.
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The Undersecretary of State announced it in the Senate hearing.
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Thank you, Dr. Fauci. So I lived at the beginning of COVID in Northwest D.C. where I'd been most of my life, and there were actual yard signs that said, thank you, Dr. Fauci.
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It'd be like, oh, wait. But why would you have bio labs in a war zone? I don't understand.
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Their regulations are weak. Well, that tells you everything right there. I mean, if you're, you know, if I'm looking for a place to construct a bio lab, I'm thinking, I don't know, Geneva.
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I'm not thinking the poorest country in Europe, the most corrupt country in Europe, Ukraine. I mean, why would you do that? Because they're the most... you know, capable scientists or they're not.
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So just that specific question, Toria Newell announces, we've got biolabs in Ukraine. What? A few people I noticed, I did a segment on it, immediately attacked by CNN, conspiracy theorist. I don't want to single out CNN, but I think when we look, you know, 10 years from now, if we're still here, we'll see that the pandemic was kind of the high point, the apogee of their power.
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Like, maybe the last moment CNN could actually... have an effect on the country. They had so much power and time and again, it was not an accident. They were saying things they knew weren't true, but that were consistent with the storyline from people like Fauci. Like, what was that?
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Oh, I almost got fired over it.
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I agree with that.
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Maybe. I worked at CNN before Fox started, and it was... it was the same idea. I mean, that's a complicated question.
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is driven by this kind of insanity and it's a miracle that you made it out honestly well i was fired but um it's a blessing you were fine oh i agree but no my question is not like are they good people or not i mean obviously i know them i spent my life there but the question is like what are the mechanisms that the government uses to control media coverage that's an interesting question
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Right. So we're getting back to where you started, which was by saying, I thought astutely, that what you're looking at are powers bigger than nation states, more powerful than nation states. And when you say agency capture, it's not just in the strict sense of a federal agency. It's agency, which is to say the freedom to do what you want. You know, agency, like human agency. Sure.
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The government doesn't have agency, actually, because it's subject to powers bigger than itself. Right.
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I still don't use that.
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It's a dog whistle. I agree. And I hate using it because I feel like a freaking wacko because I lived in D.C. for so long, family worked for the government, and... I just always scoffed at people who use that term. But of course, it's completely real.
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They were right. And some of the people I disliked most, I'll just say it. They were right about that. They were.
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Yeah.
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So it's funny. I mean, I started in cable TV in 1995. That's 30 years. And it was only in the last couple of years. I think it was Bobby Kennedy or someone who's thought about it more than I had said to me this exact thing. The point is not. And I wondered, like, who's buying this? Who's asking his doctor for Rebelsis? Nobody. The point is to control the news organization. Correct. Right.
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It's not a consumer play.
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Right. I didn't understand that. I don't. I was too close to it. These. That's true.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
No, that's it. It's your stock price. There's no doubt. I mean, that's a real thing. No, I ran up against it. I didn't understand it at the time. I mean, the problem with hosting a nightly show is it doesn't leave you a lot of time for reflection outside of your area. So, you know, you pick a topic in the morning and then you spend all day thinking about it.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
Presumably you've thought about it before, but you're thinking about your script and what to write. But it's just hard to see the context for anything, of course, right? You're distracted. So...
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Right.
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I have too many questions. I don't want to overwhelm you with unrelated questions.
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A lot of them were Republican senators, actually. Correct. Yeah. And chairman of intel committees. Yes.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
So let me just go back before I lose the thread. You mentioned this has been going on since the anthrax attacks, which really were the pretext that Fauci used to grab all this money and power.
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Well, you've got to believe in our business. You've got to really sincerely believe that saying the truth out loud is a necessary step, whether or not it solves the problem. But without that, you definitely can't solve any problems.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
Well, that is a core precept of both Judaism and Christianity. Yeah. In the beginning was the word.
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And, no, that's absolutely right. And I personally believe that because, I mean, I know it. But just in a political context, just on a policy level, you can't fix a problem until someone stands up and says, actually, here's what it is. Yeah.
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Their products are more dangerous. I mean, I'd much rather have my kids use tobacco than SSRIs. Sorry.
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So last question, you've alluded to this a couple of times, but what effect has this had on your life?
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Oh, I noticed. Like an invasion of Iraq.
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Well, that is true, man. That is the truest.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
So I remember that vividly. I had white powders into my house, had the bio team come at that, you know, 2001, I'll never forget it. Um, But we never really got a definitive answer on who sent. I mean, there was the person accused. First, Stephen Hatfield was accused falsely by the media, including the media organization I worked for at the time.
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And then there was another guy that's exactly who's since died.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
But I don't think, so you told me before we went on that you're from Brookline, Massachusetts originally. I spent most of my life in Northwest DC. They're very similar, well-educated, affluent, enormous self-regard. You know, these are communities that think a lot of themselves. And it was those communities in retrospect that were the ones that posted the thank you, Dr. Fauci signs.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
Do you think he did it? Do you think he was murdered?
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Am I imagining that?
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So almost exactly five months ago, the Republican presidential candidate is shot in the face on camera. The man who apparently did it is killed. The world stops. History changes. But the one thing that doesn't happen is any accounting of what that was. Who was this guy? How did this happen? And even now, on the cusp of Trump's inauguration, it's disappeared.
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It was allowed to happen, but by whom and why and how? Yeah. And I don't hear anybody, including Republicans, asking those questions. So like, what is this?
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Is it true? And by the way, did the drone fly over the podium and the place where Trump was?
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He gets somehow a range finder onto the site through a Secret Service screen?
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Why would you have a rangefinder?
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Wouldn't, I mean, the first priority would be to establish communication between all law enforcement agencies on site, right? Yeah. I mean, that just seems like obvious.
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Um, can I ask how Crooks knew that this one cluster of buildings was the one place in the whole area that was outside the security perimeter? How would you know that?
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It's absolutely... Do we ever find out why those buildings were not under surveillance just because it was such an obvious shooting platform?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
So it sounds like... there was a blind spot, an entire quadrant that they weren't even looking at.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It's not their job to protect the candidate or the president.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
The candidate shot in the face and that's a possible?
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Oh, like Michael Byrd, you murder someone and you're the victim?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
The problem is that these are the bodyguards. And so, you know, in the Ottoman court, everyone was afraid of the bodyguards. Right? That's who runs your coup. That's exactly. We're getting to like the most basic facts of life, which is the armed people are in charge.
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And so, you know, you hate to think that's the rule in America, but do you think it's possible that people were afraid to mess with the Secret Service because no one wants to mess with the bodyguards?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It wouldn't shock me.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I mean, that's like the most, you know, that's the most basic interest of anybody is not to get shot to death. Right. Yeah. And, you know, I'm speculating to some extent, but you do wonder, I always wondered and I asked, like, if you're the Trump campaign, why don't you make a, I mean, I think or I know that Trump thinks he doesn't want to whine about being shot.
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because you seem weak when you want. They tried to shoot me. You know, he downplayed it on purpose. And I think that was a manly thing to do, was impressive thing to do. There's dignity in that. I admire it. However, like it is kind of important to find out what happened. And I always suspected that maybe, you know, they felt a little bit threatened because they've got a campaign.
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They've got months more of campaigning to do. They want to do outdoor venues. Trump loves outdoor venues. He's brave. He's obviously physically brave. We know that. On the other hand, do you really want to piss off your bodyguards? I mean, do you think that is part of the dynamic here?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It always does.
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I was in a restaurant the other night, in fact, this weekend, and I had a little trouble hearing what people were saying. And I thought to myself, I'm a little young to go deaf. Why? Well, because I grew up shooting, bird hunting, target shooting. And I remember my father saying, just stick a Marlboro filter in your opposite ear and you'll be fine. I wish we'd had suppressors, but we didn't.
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So that's an entire magazine worth of... I mean, you could fire an entire... Oh, easy. With an AR, you could easily unload a mag. Wow, that is crazy town.
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Yes.
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That's a scary gun.
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Really? Is that what they use?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
That ends the conversation. So that's for people who don't shoot, that's so much larger than the .223 or .556 round that Crooks is shooting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I had someone come to my range, just at my house, and with his grandfather's 300 Win Mag, we were just shooting on Sunday afternoon. He just charges the thing. And I was like, man, no more of that. That's too loud.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It shakes my molars.
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Well, he didn't suffer. Not with a 210 grain from a 300 win mag. Wow. So tell me about the cop who says he shot Crooks.
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But there's no evidence that he did.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, it sounds like he stopped the shooting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Whether he hit him or not, he absolutely did. So a magazine has obviously more than eight rounds in it. And I assume Crooks did as well. He had unfired rounds in the mag when the rifle was recovered, right?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
No, but he still had ammunition in the magazine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So what I'm asking is, it sounds like the local cops stopped the shooting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Exactly. So it was not the Secret Service that stopped this assassination attempt. It was local cops.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Wow. 15 seconds, as noted, is a very long time.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
So, thank you for starting with your conclusion. Let's work backward and go through by number the three questions that you raised at the outset. Who was Crooks, Thomas Crooks, the shooter?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
There's no way you could know. I mean, it's impossible to know.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Unless you were looking at someone looking there.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
So three people were shot, two in addition to President Trump.
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Yeah.
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you know, right next to my producer, like right next to him, which is wild. Yeah, it was right there. He said he was covered in blood. Yeah, I'm only saying that because there's a lot of drama. It's not just Trump getting shot in the face. Yeah, a man died. Yeah, he was murdered. And two others were shot. Do we know anything about them or how they fared?
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I haven't heard anybody ask those questions. I've heard some dark mutterings. And so you're one of the people I think was on the story at the very beginning in a rational but insistent way. And so I thought it'd be worth asking, like, what was that?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
These are .22 caliber bullets, just to be clear. Yep.
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Right. Yeah. But the bullet itself is .22 caliber. Yep. Yep. These are tiny. Very small.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
The point is the velocity. Exactly. How fast they're going. But it's not a 210-grain Hornady Tip 300 mag. Right. Which you could not mistake for anything but like a bullet. Right. Yeah. So, wow. Okay. So, we know nothing about the shooter. We know nothing about why he did this, his beliefs, who he spoke to. We know nothing about him. He's a cipher. No, literally nothing.
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He's the only 20-year-old with no social media presence. And apparently no cutlery, silverware in his house? No.
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One of my daughters just told me that.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But we still don't know anything about him or why he did this. We also don't know why, according to your account, why the Secret Service made this like colossal error in judgment and just like left out an entire quadrant of a potential field of fire, just kind of ignored it. We don't know why.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But we do know.
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But even that, is it true that Dr. Jill Biden, America's, I think, most famous research scientist.
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But is it true that she was having an event and that that bled off like manpower that could have been used at the Trump event?
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Dr. Jill.
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Um, and okay. So that's a whole lot of, we don't knows like, um, so your third question was what happened after to everybody?
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Nothing.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
OK, so what do you think this adds up to? You said you were vacillating between two and three. Can you remind us what?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Where did she go when she retired, by the way?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Or a University of California school. Right. But no, we don't know where she is now. Yeah. So, but it's not clear why they denied or who denied.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Bobby Kennedy was denied Secret Service protection. You know, they didn't want to run against him. They'd rather he be dead. Clearly. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. But that's such sinister behavior. I mean, that's a kind of attempted murder, really. So I just don't understand how, I mean, disobedience to the regime is punished immediately. Tax evasion is punished immediately.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But like attempted murder is not.
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Yeah.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
The media really are a player in all this. They're not just like dupes. They're not just, you know, the PR office for the regime. They are like players. They are active participants in, you know, totalitarianism, I would say.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
How could that happen? Somebody leaked it. But how would someone know who he was?
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But it's interesting that they would know it was the son because it was the father on the ATF record. He's the one who purchased the rifle. But somehow CNN and NBC knew that it was not the father but the son.
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I was just thinking that to be active participants in the repression of a population by its government is like pretty, it's like capo behavior. It's like really, really dark and evil. And that's who they are. I spent 10 years there, I know.
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They're players. They're players. And they're big players. That's why they hate the internet so much.
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yeah that's not surprising and then let's imagine you're seeing anything you got this great scoop what are you getting out of informing a father of that because they didn't report it right well they do a lot that they don't report yeah a lot including in the roger stone raid i mean they were participants in political repression uh cheerleaders for it but not just cheerleaders they were like part of the process yep they were used by the biden administration to
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, that was actually the Trump administration.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Right. It's just crazy that that could have happened. The lack of control over the federal agencies by the executive, by the White House. It's like, I hope we never see that again because that's really dark. But anyway, yeah. CNN, very, very bad. Is there – I know I've asked the same question 15 times, but I just – I can't believe there's no real answer here.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
We don't know anything about who Crooks talked to? No.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Except when they do the one thing that they do do, which is to preserve the total control over the United States by the national security state. And so you're seeing this right now where, you know, committee chairman in the Congress are saying to the incoming administration, no, no, no. It has to be all deep staters like you can't have.
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Tulsi Gabbard or anyone like Tulsi Gabbard, it's all got to be, you know, John Ratcliffe or someone, you know, we know and who's obviously under our control. And they're insistent on that, exercising that power, which I find really interesting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, it's certainly been that way. I mean, like we know for a fact it's been that way since right around late November of 1963. Like we just know that. So, but I agree. I mean, I just think it goes back to, you know, the Second World War.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
They had some practice rounds. It's just interesting that this seems like one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you, and I do think you're probably the most informed person in all media, though I don't know if you'd admit to being in media, but do you think of yourself as in media?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I know. It's funny, you and Schellenberger, two of my favorite, right at the top of my favorite journalist list, and neither one of you started out intending to do this or went to journalism school. You're both doing completely different things. It's interesting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
No, it's interesting though. Journalists I respect more are all people who could be doing something else, making a lot more money, who didn't set out to do this, just sort of out of curiosity and patriotism and patriotism. you know, kind of like moral responsibility or doing it. So, and you're in that category. So thank you.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But anyway, the reason I want to talk to you was it felt like you can do something as obvious as set up a shooting of Donald Trump in the summer of an election year and get away with it. Like then you're still in control of everything.
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I know. Yeah, I know. That was not just considering, but that was that was like a much discussed.
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It was done Monday afternoon. That was Saturday.
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Make sure he doesn't get to reproduce.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Leaked the fact that J.D. was going to speak at that rally? Or leaked that, like, he had basically been picked. Oh, no, that was known. Well, I knew that. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, I did.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
No, not really. I'm, like, living in some weird rural place in Maine. But, no, I knew that. Absolutely. And a lot of people knew that. I mean, all the people I know who knew that are good people who love Trump. But I mean, I'm not suggesting I'm not suggesting anything, but I'm just in point of fact, a lot of people.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But there was at least one subsequent attempt, assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life. Were there others?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah, but I mean, after mid-July, were there, do you think, other attempts?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
you know i don't know but i you know i think i think there might have been no you just didn't hear about him i think that's entirely i would totally i would i would buy that yeah so um who was the west the west palm guy was like that one is so much wackier than the butler one all these members of congress yeah well he i think there's a photo of him with um that stupid chef that stupid commie chef what's his name i don't have a tv
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I mean, it's Congress. They can shut the FBI down. Like, I don't understand what is going on. Yeah, and you had the other grounds. Would they not turn that over?
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It's just, it's all so incredible. Yeah. So do you, the members, I just want to put it on the record, the members of Congress, you said that the two committee inquiries were pretty good.
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Is this the end of the inquiry?
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I kind of feel like there's so much going on in the world right now that, you know, maybe people just kind of forget to ask.
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I remember when Natalie Holloway disappeared in Aruba. Yeah. And I worked in cable news then. And we spent, you know, approximately three years talking about it every day. You know, no disrespect to Natalie Holloway or the inherent significance of a story about a dead American.
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It's important, but yeah, no, that was, and you sort of wonder what else was going on while we were talking about Natalie Holloway.
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Yeah, I've gone back and thought of all the time I wasted with Gary Condit. Oh, man. You know, how much time did we spend looking into what happened on 9-11 right around zero? Just repeating all the dumb talking points, they hate us for our freedoms and all that stuff, and not asking obvious questions. Some people were celebrating it. Who were those people? And like, what is this?
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Mistakes were made. It's all still classified, so you can't know. Yeah. Interesting. So... The obvious question is, why aren't other elected officials so anxious to get to the bottom of this? Because it has implications for them. When this happened, my wife said, you know, are we ever going to find out what this was? And I said, with false confidence, absolutely.
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One thing members of Congress care about is not being assassinated. So, like, they have every vested interest in finding out what this was and in making the right reforms so they can stay safe themselves. I turn out to be completely wrong.
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You worked in the Senate. You worked for Tom Coburn of Oklahoma. God rest his soul. So you can answer this question. But as I just look onto the Congress where I've never worked, but it seems like the single most corrupt or certainly the most infuriating part of the Congress is the Republicans in the Senate. Oh, my gosh.
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Yes. It's not Alexandria O.C. or whatever she's calling herself. You know, it's like a buffoon. But, and at least has, you know, 10% sincerity in my read. But I look at some of the Republicans, you know, Rish and some of these guys, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is really sinister.
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It's too life-affirming for the Senate. Exactly. He's killing babies. If he was an abortionist, that would have been fine.
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Why isn't every—I mean, there seems to be something peculiarly, specifically wrong with the dynamic among Republicans in the Senate. I don't know what that—like, they seem more committed to betraying their voters than any other group I've ever seen in politics.
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Yeah. I mean, do you see it changing at all?
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Ongoing investigation.
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Well, no, and I would, you know, I'd rather die. But what's interesting is it's not on questions like, you know, we spent all this time on the tranny question, which I think is inherently important. And I do think if you eliminate sex differences, civilization collapses because they're built on sex differences. That's my view. So I'm completely aligned. I couldn't be more pro-life.
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And there are tons of Republicans in both houses who agree with all that or say they do or do a good job of pretending it's fine. It's the national security intel stuff, the police power stuff, surveillance power stuff. Man, they are – that's what they take serious. That's what they actually care about. Have you noticed this?
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I mean, way more evil than like, you know, I think Head Start was a disaster, Social Security is bankrupting the country, Medicare, you know, there's all these problems with social workers, but... you don't look at that and say the people who started that are evil. They're just, like, dumb or they didn't foresee the consequences of what they were doing.
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But, like, the people who, you know, cheered the murder of Gaddafi or never admitted they lied about weapons of mass destruction or the people pushing, you know, claiming that we should lower the conscription age in Ukraine to 18 because we haven't killed enough Ukrainians after a million have died or been wounded.
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And not just because they were killed or disabled. We're only looking at a small part of that. I've known some of them well. It's killing people is bad for you. And, you know, sometimes you have to kill people. I mean, you do. If I have a home invader and my wife and kids are going to kill a guy, I would sleep soundly after killing him. I mean, you have to.
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but ultimately killing people is bad and is bad for the person who kills. And we don't even acknowledge that. And I just know a lot of them. So I've seen it and it's, would you want that on you?
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Not because you're afraid of being killed. It's because you're afraid of killing and you should be. Like it's a very heavy thing to ask someone to do and then not to acknowledge it. Just be like, oh yeah, good job.
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Yes.
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And the divorce rate and the addiction rate and the weirdness rate and the deep kind of heavy trouble that you feel on a lot of them. I don't, my gosh, I don't blame them. A lot of them are wonderful, admirable people. And they were asked to do something and they did it. And they did it under duress and at great personal risk. And like, I admire them. I'm not criticizing them.
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I'm just saying, not to acknowledge what we've asked them to do, not to acknowledge the burden of having killed somebody.
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Yeah. And it didn't want to be there. Didn't just like some kid gets his face blown off and you're cheering it.
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I completely agree. And in 2001 and 2002, when I was tepidly cheerleading, I will say this, my only defense was kind of tepid. I sort of knew it was wrong, but I convinced myself it wasn't. But when I was making the case for the Iraq war and repeating the lies of the Bush administration... And I'd never really seen violence, you know, personally seen it.
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And that was, you know, a huge change for me seeing that. I was like, I'm not, I'm not into this at all. I don't know why, why is this good? I don't think it's good. I don't, it doesn't feel good. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just, I don't want, I don't want that anymore of that. I don't want to see that. I want to be around it at all. I don't, it's not a turn on at all. It's like horrible.
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And, um, so that was personally for me a huge change, but yeah. I just think that it's important to remember, especially as Christians, like we're against violence. I don't know. We are. Sorry. We're against violence. We should not ever cheer someone's death. Right?
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I feel that way.
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No.
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I wonder, you know, the calls for gun control, which are, you know, obviously cyclical, like every time there's some tragedy, some mass shooting, some of which do seem like they were inspired by the FBI, but I can't prove it. But anyway, just there's always like three or four days of the media getting hysterical about gun control, taking your guns away.
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Those seem more half-hearted than they used to be. Maybe I'm being paranoid. And I'm wondering if maybe technology, the convergence of AI and drone technology isn't advancing to the point where the people in charge know it doesn't matter whether you have a gun anymore.
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I kind of agree. It's just a fundraising deal for like the dumb, you know, David Hogg or whatever. Yeah. These buffoons, media creations, you know, become famous on, you know, on a pile of dead bodies. It's like so grotesque, but yeah. That doesn't seem real to me.
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And I just wonder, are we at a point where like your AR is not actually a guarantee of freedom at all because like technology is going to give the state so much power that like it doesn't matter.
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I think there may be something to that. It's just my instinct. I don't know. But it is weird. It is weird. And I think if you want to understand what's actually going on. Like watch the rhetoric, of course, never take it at face value. It's a lie by definition. The slogans are a lie, but they do change and they change for a reason. And so I'm just concerned about that.
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And I, as someone who's always like, you know, had guns and ammo at home.
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Well, they, you know, they don't believe in human autonomy. Yeah. Obviously. Right. So they don't see other humans as human. They see them as slaves. I think it's pretty obvious that they see them as objects who have no inherent rights, no inherent dignity, whose lives aren't really worth anything. That's why they love abortion.
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And if you really saw people as creations of God who exist independently from you and your desires, then there's a degree to which you can control people. But then beyond that, you can't. You can't. Even your own children, you can't really control. Can you? No. Right. You can't.
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That's exactly right. And I think good parenting is in part recognizing that. You know, because you don't own them, actually. You are more responsible for them. They are your children. They're, you know, from your body, but they're not, you know, they're human beings. And I just think those are like foundational views that a lot of people in power just don't have.
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So, last question. It does feel like This is I think a lot of people felt this, whether they said it out loud or not. But this election was, you know, the last chance to to turn away from what was a certain future of enslavement. That's not an overstatement. Who wins like in five years? What what's your best guess for where we are?
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One nation under God. I mean, they said it. They weren't hiding it.
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um our fate is not going to be sealed by the politicians we pick it's just not no and so that that's my worry going forward do you feel like i mean i i i do see around me just in my tiny little weird world but people who i don't think have ever thought about god talking about god I read that Bible sales are the highest they've been in a long time. I feel something changing.
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Without a doubt. So, I mean, that's something worth celebrating? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yep. I appreciate you taking all this time. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson Show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to TuckerCarlson.com to see everything that we have made. The complete library. TuckerCarlson.com.
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Welcome to the Tucker Carlson Show. We bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere else. And they're not censored, of course, because we're not gatekeepers. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at TuckerCarlson.com. Here's the episode. That to me is the weirdest thing about it. But it was a shooting.
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But I mean, the core question in any crime is like, why was it committed? And I mean, it sounds like there's no progress whatsoever. None. None. None. Well, that itself is like just tells you that the country's in free fall, that it's just so corrupt it can't even carry out the basic functions of government. Right. Trying to figure out why murderers murder.
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Is there any evidence he was in touch with any specific person or group overseas? None that I've seen. None.
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So he had IEDs. He sent up a drone. So in order, what were the IEDs? Do we have any idea?
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I should have asked this earlier. No statement of any kind, no manifesto. None. No description of his own beliefs about anything. Nope. Of any kind. None.
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Clearly he liked shooting. And I, you know, right after the shooting, there were all these, you know, usual, I was a door kicker of some special operations people on TV saying that's an easy shot, 130 yards. That's just not true. That's just, that's a lot. I mean, I shoot a lot. He, Crooks turned a cop, a local cop came up a ladder behind him. He, Crooks pointed, correct me if I'm wrong.
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No, you're right. Back the cop down and then immediately assumed the prone position, got off eight shots and And I think it was 130 yards?
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Yeah. And got as close as the president's ear. So under extreme stress as a 20-year-old with no military training, I mean, luck does play a role in everything, including shooting, but I'm sorry. I have a 100-yard rifle range. I know what that is. That's like pretty good.
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It was an assassination attempt. And it raised like the most pressing possible questions about a lot of different things. And, you know, I understand the news media didn't want to give Trump any advantage, didn't want to run the picture of him triumphant. I get it. But you would think that every elected official, every American would want to know how did – how was this allowed to happen?
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Which is always the key. It's like anyone can sit on a Sunday afternoon with your kids and like, you know. On the bench with like.
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But there's a cop behind you with a gun and you lie down and get off eight shots and one of them is just spot on.
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I don't get all these people like, I'd do that, you know. Okay, show me.
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And there's no armed police officer behind you coming up to shoot you. So, yeah, no, I mean, but again, you know, luck does play a role in life for sure in life as backgammon, you know, luck is luck as a component. But OK, so he brings these explosives inside what should be a perimeter.
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Thank you both very much. Oliver, you first.
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It's what we face right now. Yeah. So how was that speech received?
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So, Oliver, you know Putin as well as any American, or you spend at least as much time with him as any living American. Characterize what he's like, if you would.
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Of course, yes.
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Right, but I mean, as an adult, to see the party that was the party of peace and reconciliation become the war party.
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So what is nuclear winter?
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So what do you think Putin's view of nuclear war is?
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Can I ask, not to digress, but what was the point of the intervention in Serbia, the post-Yugoslav interventions? Yes.
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Yeah.
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What's interesting though is as that was happening and NATO was bombing and Wes Clark was becoming famous and all that, I don't think I heard a single debate in the United States over why we were doing this.
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And it's why they're the most attacked.
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I remember it very well in the late night comics, who are always tools of... the existing order jumped in, but why do you think that film and that topic, I mean.
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What do you think accounts for, big picture, the hostility of NATO and Europe to Russia? What is that?
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But you're arguing that it's more than just economics that are driving this.
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It's kind of an irony, though, that Oliver Stone, after winning three Oscars, would be excommunicated from Hollywood by the same people for thought crimes. I didn't get excommunicated yet. Please don't. That you would be even vigorously criticized is a little strange.
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Are there any filmmakers left in Hollywood who can take on the biggest questions, like the power of the intelligence?
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So the bombing of Japan was really aimed as a message to the Soviets.
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Yeah, it's still Warsaw Pact country.
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So it seems like we're relying now on Putin's restraint.
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So just for some context, what is the difference between the atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima and the current nuclear arsenal? How much more advanced are nuclear weapons now?
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That's how mythology, these presidents. Right, the retroactive justification. So do you think that, you know, you said the world's nuclear arsenal has dramatically declined.
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But do you think in that decline is, of course, at the end of the Soviet empire in 1991? Do you think that all of those warheads were accounted for? We certain that they were destroyed?
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Diplomatic is a little strong. By diplomacy, it's just, you know, regime change. Kill the leader you disagree with. Diplomacy is a dirty word now in the United States.
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Here's the thing that I think people need to understand. The information operation is not Mockingbird. It's everybody. How much do you think Putin worries about nuclear war?
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Peter, I'm interested in your perspective. Why do you think the entire United States, from a position of greater weakness, has, with Europe, pivoted against Russia of all the potential enemies? Why Russia?
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I haven't heard an American president say anything like that since Kennedy. Sorry, so you said, you're talking about Russia, you said it is a Christian culture.
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So you think that Russia sees this as a conflict between a Christian culture and a secular culture? Ours being a secular culture? I think some people do, yeah. Yeah.
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How do you suppose the incoming Trump administration can fix this?
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Yes.
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In the settlement, do you think it's as simple as telling the Russians no NATO? That'll end it?
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So there was a point in American history when the Congress considered banning war profiteering.
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So that's such an obvious idea that your national industry shouldn't get rich from war.
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Because it sets up an incentive for those same industries to lobby for war, which is what we do now. It's a self-evidently good idea, it seems to me. What happened to it?
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But they failed to get control of the system in 1934, and no one's tried since.
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What's interesting, though, is that history now regards anybody who had second thoughts about the First World War and anyone who didn't want to get into another war in Europe in the 30s as pro-Nazi. That is how they're isolationist, they're pro-Hitler. Do you think that's a fair characterization?
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So is it strange for you, we touched at the outset at, and as Oliver put it, the complete inversion of American politics, but you were, you said an anti-war protester during Vietnam, then you watched the party you voted for become the war party. Like what happened? What caused that inversion?
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But what, I mean, what caused that? How did Liz Cheney wind up campaigning with Kamala Harris?
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Do you think he'll be able to do it? Trump will be able to bring reform?
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Yes.
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So last question that you both, I think, can answer in an informed way. I'll start with you, Peter. History and its uses. It does seem like we're in a moment where people are at least open to reassessing their interpretations of what happened, particularly in the last 100 years, the 20th century. Do you think that 50 years from now, our grandkids will be reading a different version of history?
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Of course, it's Yeah, and that's what Oliver and I- Most reliable guidepost to the future. So, I mean, do you think, we were talking about JFK, and when it came out 30 years ago, you were roundly mocked, you were no longer mocked. People see it as likely at the very least. Yeah, I think so. It seems that way.
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So why? Why are they so intent on keeping the information?
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If you had to guess as to why they're holding these documents 60 odd years later, what would it be?
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Yes.
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None of that is surprising, but none of it, I would say, accounts for the shift after the one that Oliver referred to after 2014 at Maidan.
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said that we needed a new Pearl Harbor in order to rebuild, how do you think they felt about 9-11?
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23 years later.
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Well, you were once derided as a conspiracy. I don't think so anymore. But I'm still alive. You've lived to see your own vindication.
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Can you flesh that out a little bit? It was the last big speech he gave before he was murdered. It was a great speech. What did he say?