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Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
Hm. This is not just a news write-up.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
These CNN reporters, they're just amplifying opinions and threats as fact.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
And I hope Trump can find these guys and fire them. Because that won't only make a country safer. It will be the nail in the coffin for places like CNN.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
I'm sorry, sir, but I think you need to sit this one out.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
Not you, J.B. Pritzker. Alright.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
Ich bin nicht sicher, ob wir das erreichen. Ich will auch Transparenz. Und das bringt mich zu meiner nächsten Geschichte. Gestern hat Rep.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
Why redact? Why omit? Why hide?
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
In reference to Tucker Carlson. Why? Because he isn't obsessed with Ukraine like you are, Dan Crenshaw? I don't know.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
They're depending on it.
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
And like I said, they need reform. But that Ukraine is going to be the priority over Ukraine?
Bongino Report Early Edition with Evita
Crybaby Crenshaw’s Latest Meltdown (Ep.147)
In der NSA, der CIA.
Candace
STOP EVERYTHING. They FINALLY Mentioned ME In The Blake Lively Lawsuit! | Candace Ep 152
You don't have enough sex.
Candace
STOP EVERYTHING. They FINALLY Mentioned ME In The Blake Lively Lawsuit! | Candace Ep 152
Dan Crenshaw. obviously is not emotionally prepared to lead anything. He's out of control. And I think that he's a really volatile person. I hope he gets help. I mean that. But, you know, he's also a pretty sinister person, I would say, whose priorities are not aligned with this party's voters, but also have kind of nothing to do with the United States. I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw.
Candace
STOP EVERYTHING. They FINALLY Mentioned ME In The Blake Lively Lawsuit! | Candace Ep 152
If I had conflict with Dan Crenshaw, I felt like he was emotionally out of control. And so I feel sorry for him. But I also think it's not just him. It's a lot of the leadership of that party just doesn't put the United States first at all.
Candace
STOP EVERYTHING. They FINALLY Mentioned ME In The Blake Lively Lawsuit! | Candace Ep 152
Dan Crenshaw cannot be a congressman again. You just can't. It's just too insulting. Why is it that Republican states tend to have the least sincere Republican? Dan Crenshaw, apparently still a member of Congress. And the next time Dan Crenshaw stands up and says, but you don't understand the threat. Shut up, Dan Crenshaw. Just about had it.
Candace
STOP EVERYTHING. They FINALLY Mentioned ME In The Blake Lively Lawsuit! | Candace Ep 152
it with you neocon congressman dan crenshaw the nikki haley of texas the single most left-wing member of congress i've ever met personally is a republican from this area who has no interest in the united states whatsoever and does not even pretend i'm not going to name names yeah it's dan crenshaw the most liberal left-wing person i've ever met and so they're easily bulls**t by the uh the posturing jackasses in washington that's why dan crenshaw has a job you're
Candace
STOP EVERYTHING. They FINALLY Mentioned ME In The Blake Lively Lawsuit! | Candace Ep 152
You're the one whose own children languished and died while you focused on the neighbor's kids. That person is an enemy of everything that you voted for.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
So in the run-up to this week's midterm elections, there are a lot of celebrities out there campaigning for Democratic candidates all over the country. You probably saw them, actors, singers, TikTok personalities, all doing their part for the Democratic Party. You probably weren't surprised by this. It's normal. Pop culture figures always support Democrats, every single one of them.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
But have you ever wondered why all of these supposedly creative people reach exactly the same conclusion every time? They're all on the same page. How could that happen? It's an interesting question. We don't know the answer, but you should consider what happened when one of the most famous singers in the world broke with the herd.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
On November 19th, 2016, a week and a half after Donald Trump won the presidential election, Kanye West, now known as Ye, held a concert in Sacramento. Most people in the audience were, of course, young people and presumably Hillary Clinton voters and presumably deeply disappointed by her loss a week and a half before.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
So in the middle of the show, West stopped performing and started talking about politics. Google lied to you, he said, by suggesting to its users that Hillary was going to win. Quote, Facebook lied to you. I'm not here to massage you with a fake truth telling you that Hillary's going to win over and over and over. You were lied to by Google. You were lied to by Mark Zuckerberg.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
Middle America, West continued, showed you how they felt. Well, at this point, some of the audience began to boo, but West kept going. He complimented Donald Trump repeatedly. At one point, he used the phrase, make America great again. It was, to put it mildly, not the kind of thing you normally hear at a rap concert. And then, two days later, Kanye West was in the hospital.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
Well, at the house of his family's exercise trainer, a man called Harley Pasternak, West apparently suffered some kind of mental break. Pasternak called an ambulance to pick him up. West was taken away, and then he was sedated with at least seven different psychiatric medications, including benzodiazepines, lithium, sleeping pills, and olanzapine.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
News reports suggested that West had experienced a profound psychiatric episode. He'd gone completely off the deep end. He'd gone crazy, and they've been saying that ever since. West, over time, though, told a very different story. In his telling, after what he'd said on stage in Sacramento, Harley Pasternak was trying to shut him up.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
Pasternak, he said, was not simply a trainer, but instead an agent of ideological control. Pasternak's job was to keep West from straying from the script, and he's willing to use powerful drugs to do it. That's what he said. But very few people took that claim seriously. In fact, it was exactly the kind of thing a crazy person would say. My trainer drugged me into submission.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
He's trying to make me into a zombie. Right. Sure he did. Have another olanzapine shot, Kanye. You look tired. So that's where the story stood until the other day. Nobody believed Kanye West.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
Then West posted something remarkable on Twitter, which for some reason virtually all of American media ignored, which is odd because media outlets are not usually in the business of ignoring remarkable things, but they did. And what he posted was a picture of a text exchange that he had had with Harley Pasternak. Pasternak was explaining that West had better stop saying, quote, crazy stuff.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
In other words, he'd better get back on script or else he would be severely punished. Quote, second option, if you don't shut up, quote, I have you institutionalized again where they medicate the crap out of you and you go back to zombie land forever. Play date with the kids just won't be the same. End quote.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
Try if you can to imagine a more sinister threat than that, a more chilling threat than that. Do what I say or I will turn your brain to mush. I will destroy your relationship with your own children. I will send you back to, quote, zombie land forever. Effectively, I'll kill you. Now, keep in mind, this is from West's, quote, trainer, not his physician.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
This is the guy he'd hired to help him do squats. A trainer? Really? Do they talk like that at your gym? Probably not. So what's going on here exactly? Well, according to his bio, Harley Pasternak, who is not denied writing these texts, once worked for the Canadian military, where he participated in experiments that measured the effect of various drugs on the human mind.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
Is that training relevant to this story? We don't know. We do know that based on this text exchange, which again, Harley Pasternak has not said is untrue or fake. On the basis of that, law enforcement agencies definitely ought to be looking very closely at Harley Pasternak, who, by the way, apparently has dozens of other celebrity clients, some of whom seem to be out there campaigning.
Candace
BREAKING NEWS: I Got Served For ANOTHER Lawsuit | Candace Ep 169
Based on these texts, this looks like a crime. Why is no one investigating it? The fact that no one is investigating it tells you a lot.
Candace
Straight Husbands vs Ryan Reynolds | Tucker Carlson vs Brigitte Macron | Candace Ep 161
The one story that I have seen in the past few years that I was just like, I can't go there. That's just flat earth stuff is the Brigitte Macron. Emmanuel Macron, President of France's wife, was accused first by French journalists and then by my friend Candace Owens, who's one of the nicest people I've ever met, actually. Yeah, she's very smart. She's incredible.
Candace
Straight Husbands vs Ryan Reynolds | Tucker Carlson vs Brigitte Macron | Candace Ep 161
And everyone's always, Candace Owens is a hater. Candace Owens is the opposite of a hater, but she's a very kind person. But anyway, but she comes out and she's like, I will wager my professional credibility on the claim that McCrone's wife is actually a man. And I was like, I was like, oh, Candace Owens, I love you, but I think this is too, too crazy. Yeah.
Candace
Straight Husbands vs Ryan Reynolds | Tucker Carlson vs Brigitte Macron | Candace Ep 161
Well, it's interesting. I mean, I was never interested in the Kennedy assassination. It was over covered and it seemed like the kind of territory of wackos and conspiracy nuts. Well, that's where the term came from. Oh, I know. Well, then, of course, you know, it's it's not ignorance that makes you a conspiracy nut. It's knowledge. which I didn't know. I was such an idiot. That's a great point.
Candace
Straight Husbands vs Ryan Reynolds | Tucker Carlson vs Brigitte Macron | Candace Ep 161
I still am an idiot in some ways, but I've learned that. Welcome to the club. I've learned that, but...
Candace
Taylor Swift Booed. I Blame Ryan Reynolds. | Candace Ep 145
if you're intentionally killing civilians, you probably shouldn't beat your chest and brag about it. You know, maybe you can make the case.
Candace
Taylor Swift Booed. I Blame Ryan Reynolds. | Candace Ep 145
Maybe you make the case that we had to do it or whatever, but you should. I agree. You should weep. And that's evil. And you should just say it's evil. And I know it's like really threatening to. Is it evil? Ben Shapiro to say that or whatever. Is it evil? To kill civilians on purpose? Yeah, it is. I think it is. Really? Kids and children. Well, how is it not actually? In a war?
Candace
Taylor Swift Booed. I Blame Ryan Reynolds. | Candace Ep 145
We can call it whatever you want. How is it right to kill women and children?
Candace
OH SNAP! Justin Baldoni Is Now Suing Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds PERSONALLY | Candace Ep 134
Did the officers at the scene give you any indication of how they thought your son died?
Candace
OH SNAP! Justin Baldoni Is Now Suing Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds PERSONALLY | Candace Ep 134
Your son's body was taken away. It was evaluated in some way by the authorities. They say this is a suicide. You have like a real autopsy done by Professor Rao. And he says, what about the bullet angle? Will you explain that?
Candace
OH SNAP! Justin Baldoni Is Now Suing Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds PERSONALLY | Candace Ep 134
So Dr. Cohen's autopsy, and this is grisly, I'm sorry, but shows, demonstrates, proves that the bullet was fired at what angle?
Candace
OH SNAP! Justin Baldoni Is Now Suing Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds PERSONALLY | Candace Ep 134
Right. So in other words, if this were a suicide, your son would have had to have held the gun to his forehead coming down.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Sorry.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
These are not, I mean, you can completely disagree with my opinions, but in the case of Nikki Haley, it's not like an opinion formed just from watching television, which I don't watch. It's an opinion formed from knowing Nikki Haley, so...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, it felt to the world's in the balance. I mean, it's not just like this is important stuff. Yeah, it's not just like, well, you know, what should the capital gains rate be? It's like, do we live or die? I don't know. Let's consult Nikki Haley. So if you're asking, should we live or die and consulting Nikki Haley? Clearly, you don't care about the lives of your children. That's how I feel.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Not really, no. I mean, again, it's an age and stage in life thing. I mean, I have four children, so there were times when they were little where I was terrified of dying, because if I died, it would have huge consequences. But no, I mean, at this point, I don't want to die. I'm really enjoying my life, but
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I have enormous interest in doing that. Enormous. And a couple other people are more working on it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, it's really changed my perspective, and I've been going on about how American I am, and I think that's a great thing. I love America. But it's also, you know, we're so physically, geographically isolated from the world, even though I traveled a ton as a kid, a lot, you know, more than most people. But even now, I'm like, I'm so parochial.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm so, I see everything through this lens and getting out and seeing the rest of the world to which we really are connected, like that's real, is vitally important. So I, yeah, I mean, at this stage, I don't kind of need to do it, but I really want to, just motivated by curiosity and trying to expand my own mind.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
and not be closed-minded and really see the fullest perspective I possibly can in order to render wise judgments. I mean, that's like the whole journey of life.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I would, I, there's no, I've only met Rogan once and I, and I liked him. I met him at the UFC in New York. He was with somebody, a mutual friend of ours. And I, you know, Rogan changed media. I mean, maybe more than anybody. And he did it, what I love about, what I admire about Rogan without knowing him beyond meeting him that one time. I mean, I'm still in media, but I've always been in media.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, it's like not a great surprise. I'm doing what I've always done, just a different format. But Rogan, like he's got one of those resumes that I admire. You know, I like the guy who was like, I was a longshoreman. I was a short order cook. I was an astrophysicist. I was like, he's called a man of parts. And this guy was a fighter, a standup comic. He hosted some, you know, fear factor.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, how did he wind up at the vanguard of like, the deepest conversations in the country. Like how did that happen? So I definitely respect that. And I think it's cool. And Rogan is one of those people who just kind of came out of nowhere. Like no one helped him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, and he's curious. So that's like the main thing. And there was a guy, without getting boring, but there was a guy I worked with years ago who kind of dominated cable news, Larry King. And everyone would always beat up on Larry King for being dumb. Well, I got to know Larry King well, and I was his fill-in host for a while. And Larry King was just intensely curious.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've been with the same girl for 40 years, and I have four children who I'm extremely close to, well, now five, a daughter-in-law, and I love them all. I'm really close to them. I tell them I love them every day. I've had a really interesting life.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He'd be like, why do you wear a black tie, Lex? He'd be like, because I like black tie. Why do you like black tie? No, no, everyone else wears a striped tie, but you wear a black one. Why? And he was like really interested. Yeah, genuinely so, yeah. Totally. And I wanna be like that. I don't wanna think I know everything. That's so boorish and also false. You don't know everything.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I see that in Rogan. Rogan's like, rah, how does that work? And people will, and it's so funny how that's threatening to people. It's like Rogan will just sit there while someone else is, you know, free-balling on some far-out topic, which, by the way, might be true, probably truer than the conventional explanation. People are like, I don't know, how can he stand that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, he had someone say the pyramids weren't built 3,000 years ago, but 8,000 years ago, and that's wrong. It's like, first of all, how do you know when the pyramids were built? Second, why do you care if someone disagrees with you? Like, what is that? This weird kind of, like, groupthink thing
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's almost like, you know, fourth grade, there's always like some little girl in the front row who's like acting as the, you know, kind of the teacher's enforcer.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
How dare you ask that question? And Rogan just seems like completely on his own trip. Like he doesn't even hear it. He's like, well, really?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Without that, man, you're destroyed. If I had a wife who was interested at all in any way in what I did, I think I would have gone crazy by now. When we get home, she's like, how was your day? It was great. Oh, I'm so proud of you. That's the end of our conversation about what I do for a living.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that is such a wonderful and essential respite from, you said, how do I not become an asshole to the extent I haven't? I kind of have. But how do I not become
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
been you know transformed into a totally insufferable megalomaniac who like checking his twitter replies every day or every minute um it's that yeah you got to have the core of your life has to be solid and enduring and not just ephemeral and silly so the the two of you have known each other for what 40 years we've been together 40 years together 40 40 years yeah 1984.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
She was the hottest 15-year-old in Newport, Rhode Island. Sounds dirty, but I was, I'm talking about myself. I was the hottest girl.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't even know. I mean... No, I'm serious. I got married in August 91, so that's, well, it's our 33rd year of being married. Fall, the collapse of the society. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as noted.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, so, you know, you hear these people, it's actually changed my theology a little bit, not that I have deep theology, but like I grew up in a society in Southern California when I was little that was like a totally self-created society. I mean, Southern California was that root of libertarianism for a reason. It was like, that's where you went to recreate yourself.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so the operative assumption there is that you are the sum total of your choices and that free will is everything. And we never consider questions like, well, why do children get cancer? Like, what do they do to deserve it? Well, of course, nothing, right? Because that would suggest that maybe you're not the sum total. Choices matter. If I smoke a lot, I get lung cancer.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If I use fentanyl, I may OD. Got it. If I don't exercise, I might get fat. Okay. But like on a bigger scale, you're not only the sum total of your choices. Like things happen to you that you didn't deserve, good and bad. And marriage is... And I'll speak for myself, in my case, just one of them.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
To bring more information to the public. Yeah, that's it. I mean, I have really strong feelings about... what's happening not just in Ukraine or Russia, but around the world. I think the world is resetting to the grave disadvantage of the United States. I don't think most Americans are aware of that at all. And so that's my view, and I've stated it many times because it's sincere.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I could say, I mean, clearly spending time with the person you're married to, talking, enjoying each other. You know, I have a lot of rituals. We have a lot of rituals that ensure that. But... in 40 years, like you change, you're like a different person. You know, I like did drugs. I was drinking all the time when we met, you know, it's been a long time since I've been done that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm very different. And so is she, but we're different in ways that are complimentary and happy. I've never been happier. So like, how do we pull that off? Just kind of good luck, honestly. And then I see other people. No, I'm not kidding, but that's true. I think it's so important that, not to flatter yourself if you've been successful at something.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The thing I've been most successful at is marriage, but it's not really me. I mean, I haven't.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's not even humility. Humility is the result of a reality-based worldview. Sure.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Once you see things clearly, then you know that you are not the author of all your successes or failures. And I hate the implication otherwise because it suggests powers that people don't have. It's one of the reasons I always hated the smoking debate or the COVID debate. Someone would die of COVID to do another vaccine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, if you smoke cigarettes, you're more likely to get lung cancer. If you don't, if you get whatever. Cause and effect is real. I'm not denying its existence. It's obvious. But it's not the whole story. There are larger forces acting on us, unseen forces. That's just a fact. You don't need to be some kind of religious nut. And they act on AI too, and you should keep that in mind.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The idea that all- I meant the same way you said that. No, it's true. It's demonstrably true. We're the only society that hasn't acknowledged the truth of that. And the idea that the only things that are real are the things that we can see or measure in a lab, like that's insane. That's just dumb.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No. There are very few atheists. I've never actually met one. There are people who pose as atheists, but no one's purely rational. And everyone, I mean, this is a cliche for a reason, everyone under extreme stress appeals to a power higher than himself because everyone knows that there is a power higher than himself. So really it's just people who are gripped with the delusion that they're God.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No one actually believes that. If you're God, jump off the roof of your garage and see what happens. You know what I mean? No one actually thinks that. But people behave as if it's true, and those people are dangerous. And I will say, by contrast, the only people I trust are the people who know their limits.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was thinking actually this morning in my sauna, of all the people I've interviewed or met, this is someone I've never interviewed, but I have talked to him a couple of times, The greatest leader I've ever met in the world is literally a king. It's M.B.Z., Sheikh Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, who is Muslim. I am definitely not Muslim. I'm Christian, Protestant Christian.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I don't agree with his religion and I don't agree with monarchies, but he's the best leader in the world that I've ever met. And by far, it's like not even close. And why is that? Well, I could bore you for an hour on the subject, but the...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The reason that he's such a good leader is because he's guided by an ever-present knowledge of his limitations and of the limits of his power and of his foresight. And when you start there, when you start with reality, it's not even humility. Humility can be opposed. Like, oh, I'm so humble. Okay. Humble brag is a phrase for a reason. It's like way deeper than that. It's just like, no.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But my goal was to have more information brought to the West so people could make their own decisions about whether this is a good idea.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Can I, do I have magical powers? Can I see the future? No. Okay. Okay. That's just a fact. So I'm not God. But I've never seen anybody more at ease with admitting that than MBZ, just a remarkable person. And for that reason, he is like treated as an oracle. I don't think people understand that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The number of world leaders who traipse through his house or palace to seek his counsel is there's no I'm not sure that there is a parallel since I don't want to get too hyperbolic here. But honestly, since like Solomon, where people come from, like around the world to ask what he thinks. Now, why would they be doing that? Because Abu Dhabi's military is so powerful. I mean, he's rich.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
OK, massive oil and gas deposits. But like for a lot of, you know, so is Canada. You know what I mean? And no one is coming to Ottawa, Ottawa to ask Justin Trudeau what he thinks. No, it's humility. That's where wisdom comes from. You start to think like I spent my whole life like mad at America's leadership class because it's not just Biden or Trump.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
the people in official positions, it's the whole constellation of advisors and throne sniffers around them. And I'm, it's not that even that I disagree with them, it's I'm not impressed by them. I'm just not impressed. They're not that capable, right? So that's what I was saying about Nikki Haley. I don't think Nikki Haley's the most evil person in the world. I think she's ridiculous, obviously.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I just, I guess I reject the whole premise of the war in Ukraine from the American perspective, which is a tiny group of dumb people in Washington has decided to do this for reasons they won't really explain, and you don't have a role in it at all as an American citizen, as the person who's paying for it, whose children might be drafted to fight it, you know, to shut up and obey.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And everyone's like, oh, Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And what blows my mind about Sheikh Mohammed in Abu Dhabi is that everyone in the world knows it. And I've never seen a story on this. And I'm not guessing. I know this is true because I've seen it. Everyone in the world knows it. And so if there's a conflict, he's the only person that people call. Like everybody calls the same guy. And it's like, he runs this tiny little country, the UAE.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, he's the... In Abu Dhabi, there are a bunch of Emirates, but he's the president of the country. But still, and it's got a ton of energy and all that wealth and all that. And Dubai's got great real estate and restaurants. But really, it's a tiny little country that wasn't even a country 50 years ago. So how did that happen?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Purely on the basis of his humility and the wisdom that results from that humility.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Have children immediately, including in high school. Yes, I think that. That's all that matters. In the end, again, these aren't even cliches anymore because no one says them. But when I was a kid, people would say, on your deathbed, you never wish you spent more time at work. And I mean, everyone said that it was like one of these things. And now now I don't think Google allows you to say that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like, no, you're going to wish you spent more time at work. Get back to your cube. But I can't overstate from my vantage how true that is. Nothing else matters but your family. And if you have the opportunity, a lot of people are being denied the opportunity to have children. And this messing with the gender roles, and I'm not even talking about the tranny stuff.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, the, I mean, feminism has so destroyed people's brains and the ability of young people to connect with each other and stay together and have fruitful lives. It's like, nothing's been more destructive than that. It's such a lie. It's so dumb. It's counter to human nature and nothing counter to human nature can, can endure. It can only cause suffering and that's what it's done.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But fight that. Stop complaining about it. Find someone. By the way, everyone gets together. Most people get together on the basis in a Western society where there's no arranged marriages. They get together on the basis of sexual attraction. Totally natural. Get off your birth control and have children. Oh, I can't afford that. Well, yeah, you'll figure out a way to afford it once you have kids.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like it's chicken and the egg, but it's actually not. When you have responsibility, when you have no choice, this is true of men. I'm not sure if it's true of women, but it's definitely true of men. You will not achieve until you have no choice. As I always think of men, men do nothing until they have to. But once they have to, they will do anything. That is true.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Men will do nothing unless they have to, but once they have to, they will do anything. I really believe that from watching and from being one. And I would never have done anything if I didn't have to, but I had to, and I would just recommend it. And by the way, even if you don't succeed, even if you're poor, Having spent my life among rich people, I grew up among rich people. I am a rich person.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Boy, are they unhappy. Well, that's clearly not the road to happiness. You don't want to be a debt slave or starve to death or anything like that, but making a billion dollars, that's not worth doing. Don't do that. Don't even try to do that. If you create something that's beautiful and worth having and you make a billion dollars,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just, I just reject that completely. You know, I'm a, I think, I guess I'm a child of a different era. I'm a child of participatory democracy to some extent where your opinion as a citizen is not irrelevant. And, um, so I, I, I'm just, and I guess the level of lying about it was starting to drive me crazy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay, then you have to deal with your billion dollars, which will be the worst part of your life, trust me. But seeking money for its own sake is a dead end. What you should seek for its own sake is children. Talk about a creative act. Last thing I'll say, the whole point of life is to create, okay?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The act of creation, which is like dying in the West, in the arts, and in its most pure expression, which is children, that's all that's worth doing while you're alive, is creating something beautiful. and creating children. By the way, it's super fun. It's not hard. I can get more technical off the air if you want. Yeah, please. I have a lot of thoughts on it. Do you have documents or something?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No. I could draw you a schematic. Oh, thank you. But yeah, that's the greatest thing. And the fact that corporate America denies, oh, freeze your eggs, have an abortion. What? You're evil. Are you kidding? Because you're taking from people the only thing that can possibly give them enduring joy. And they are successfully taking it from people. And I hate them for it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What's your vision for it? I have no vision for myself or my career, and I never have. So I'm like the last person to explain. Yeah, I'm an instinct guy, 100%. I have a vision for the world, but I don't have a vision for my life or my career. So really, my vision extended precisely this far. I just want to keep doing what I'm doing. I just want to keep doing what I'm doing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And there was a five-hour period where I wondered if I would be able to because I feel pretty spry and alert. And I'm certainly deeply enjoying what I'm doing, which is talking to people and saying what I think and learning, constantly learning. But I just wanted to keep doing that. And I also wanted to employ the people who I worked with at Fox.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've worked with the same people for years, and I love them. So I had all these people, and I wanted to bring them with me, so we had to build a structure for that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Totally, totally. You don't want me doing your taxes. I'm good at some things, but I'm really not good at others. And more than would be like running a business. no idea. I'm not interested, not a commerce guy, so I don't buy anything. So it's like a whole thing I'm not good at. But, um, uh, luckily, you know, I'm really blessed to have friends who are involved in this, who are good at that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I feel, I feel positive about it, but mostly I am, I'm totally committed to only doing the things that I am good at and enjoy and not doing anything else because I don't want to waste my time. And so I'm just getting to do what I want to do, and I'm really loving it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
People are great just by their nature. I mean, they're super complicated, but I like people. I always have liked people. If I was sitting here with Nikki Haley, who I guess I've been pretty clear I'm not a mega fan of Nikki Haley's, I would enjoy it. You know, I've never met anybody I couldn't enjoy on some level given enough time.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I've said, and I will say again, I am not an expert on the regional, really any region other than say Western Maine. I just don't, you know, I'm not Russian. And, um, But it was obvious to me that we were being lied to in ways that were just, it was crazy, the scale of the lies. And I'll just give you one example. The idea that Ukraine would inevitably win this war.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So as long as nobody tampers with the human recipe, with human nature itself, I will always feel blessed by being around other people. And that's true around the world. Like I've never been to a country, and I've been to scores of countries where I didn't, given a week, really like it and like the people. So yeah, bad leaders are like a recurring theme in human history.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're mostly bad, and we've got an unusually bad set right now, but we'll have better ones at some point. One thing I don't like more than nuclear weapons and more than AI, the one thing that really, really bothers me is the idea of using technology to change the human brain permanently. Because you're tampering with the secret sauce. You're tampering with God's creation. And totally evil.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I literally sat there the other day with Klaus Schwab. I was with Klaus Schwab. I was like a total moron. I'm like 100 years old. I have no idea what's going on in the world. But he's like one of these guys who, speaking of mediocre, everyone's so afraid of Klaus Schwab. I don't think Klaus Schwab is going to be organizing anything again. He's just like a total figurehead, like a douchebag.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But anyway, but he was talking and He's reading all these talking points, like all of the cool kids are talking about Adapos and whatever. And he starts talking about in his survey, in his accent, he was saying, I think it's so important that we follow in an ethical way. Always in an ethical way, of course, very ethical. I'm a very ethical man.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That we follow the, you know, using technology to improve the human mind and implant the chips in the brain. And I'm like, okay. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're like as senile as Joe Biden. But what was so striking is that no one in the room was like, wait, what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, I mean, what else matters? I don't understand. I mean, I guess... Look, I don't want to seem like the Unabomber, and I'm not. We are in a cabin in the woods. No, I don't. I'm sympathetic to some of his ideas, but not, of course, sending mail bombs to people because I like people, and I don't believe in violence at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I think the problem with technology, one of the problems with technology is the way that people approach it in a very kind of mindless, heedless way. And I think it's important, this idea that it's inexorable and we can't control it. And if we don't do it, someone else will. And there's some truth in that, but it's not the whole story.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We do have free will and we are creating these things intentionally. And I think it's incumbent on us. It's a requirement of a moral requirement of us that we ask, like, is this a net gain or a net loss? What, to the extent we can foresee them, will the effects be?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
etc etc it's like it's not not super complicated so i just i prize long-term thinking i don't always apply it in my own life obviously i want to but uh i prize it and i think that people with power should think about future generations and i don't see that kind of thinking at all they all seem like children to me and like don't give children handguns because they can hurt people
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Now, victory was never, as it never is, defined precisely. Nothing's ever defined precisely, which is always a tell that there's deception at the heart of the claim. But Ukraine's on the verge of winning. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm hardly a tactician or a military expert. For the fifth time, I'm not an expert on Russia or Ukraine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
By the way, you don't want people who are 81 who are going to die anyway. Why do they care? And by the way, if your track record with your own family is miserable, why would I give you my family to oversee? Again, these are autistic-level questions that someone should answer.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Thank you.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just look at Wikipedia, Russia has 100 million more people than Ukraine, 100 million. It has much deeper industrial capacity, war material capacity than all of NATO combined. For example, Russia is turning out artillery shells, which are significant in a ground war, at a ratio of seven to one compared to all NATO countries combined. That's all of Europe.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Russia is producing seven times the artillery shells as all of Europe combined? What? That's an amazing fact. And it turns out to be a really significant fact. In fact, the significant fact. But if you ask your average person in this country, even a fairly well-informed person of good faith who's just trying to understand what's going on, who's going to win this war? Well, Ukraine's going to win.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're on the right side. And they think that because our media, who really just do serve the interests of the US government, period, they are state media in that sense, have told them that for over two years.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was in Hungary last summer talking to the prime minister, Viktor Orban, who's a, you know, whatever you think of him, he's a very smart guy, very smart guy, like smart on a scale that we're not used to in our leaders. And I said to him off camera, so is Ukraine gonna win? And he looked at me like I was deranged, like I was congenitally deficient. Are they gonna win?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, of course they can't win. It's tiny compared to Russia. Russia has a wartime economy. Ukraine doesn't really have an economy. Look at the populations. He was like, looked at me like I was stupid.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I said to him, you know, I think most Americans believe that because NBC News and CNN and all the news channels, all of them tell them that because it's framed exclusively in moral terms and it's Churchill versus Hitler. And of course, Churchill is going to prevail in the end. And it's just so dishonest that even it doesn't even matter what I want to happen or what I think ought to happen.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That's a distortion of what is happening. And if I have any job at all, which I sort of don't actually at this point, but if I do have a job, it's to just try to be honest. And that's a lie.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I guess that conversation needs to begin by defining terms. And the key term is win. What does that mean?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, of course, as a... And I should just restate this. I am not emotionally involved in this. I'm American in every sense. And my only interest is in America. I'm not leaving ever. And so I'm looking at this purely from our perspective. What's good for us? But as a human being, as a Christian, I mean, I hate war. And anybody who doesn't hate war shouldn't have power, in my opinion.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I agree with that definition vehemently. A victory is like not killing an entire generation of your population. It's not being completely destroyed to be eaten up by BlackRock or whatever comes next for them. So yeah, we were close to that a year and a half ago.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the Biden administration dispatched Boris Johnson, the briefly prime minister of the UK, to stop it and to say to Zelensky, who I feel sorry for, by the way, because he's caught between these forces that are bigger than he is. to say, no, you cannot come to any terms with Russia. And the result of that has not been a Ukrainian victory.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's just been more dead Ukrainians and a lot of profit for the West. It's a moral crime in my opinion. And I tried to ask Boris Johnson about it because why wouldn't I after he denounced me as a tool of the Kremlin or something? And he demanded a million dollars to talk to me. And this just happened last week. And by the way, in writing too, I'm not making this up. I'm not making this up.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I said to his guy, I said, I just interviewed Putin, who is widely recognized as a bad guy. And he did it for free. He didn't demand a million dollars. He wasn't in this for profit. Like, are you telling me that Boris Johnson is sleazier than Vladimir Putin? And of course, that is the message.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I guess these are really, it's not just about Boris Johnson being a sad, rapacious fraud, which he is, obviously, but it's about the future of the West. And the future of Ukraine, this country that purportedly we care so much about, all these people are dying and like, what is the end game?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's also deranged that I didn't imagine and don't imagine that I could like add anything very meaningful to the conversation because I'm not a genius, okay? But I felt like I could at the very least puncture some of the lies and that's an inherent good.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I guess it does seem like the one Putin statement that Western media take at face value. Everything else Putin says is a lie, except his criticism of me, which is true. But, I mean, I have no idea what he meant by that. I can only tell you what... My goal was, as I've suggested, was not to make it about me. I watched, you know, he hasn't done any interviews of any kind for years.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the last interview he did with an English speaking reporter, Western media reporter, was like many of the other interviews he'd done with Western media reporters. Mike Wallace's son did an interview with him that was of the same variety. And it was all about him. You know, I'm a good person. You're a bad person. And I just feel like that's the most tiresome, fruitless kind of interview.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's not about me. I don't think I'm an especially good person. I've definitely never claimed to be. But people can make their own judgments. And again, the only judgments that I care about are my wife and children and God. So I'm just not interested in proving I'm a good person. And I just want to hear from him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I had a lot of, I mean, you should see, I almost never write questions down, but I did in this case because I had months, well, I had three years to think about it as I was trying to book the interview, which I did myself. But they were all, it was all about internal Russian politics and Navalny, and I had a lot of, I thought, really good questions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then at the last second, and you make these decisions, as you know, since you interview people a lot, often you make them on the fly. And I thought, no, I want to talk about the things that haven't been talked about and that I think matter in a world historic sense. And then number one among those, of course, is the war and what it means for the world. And so I stuck to that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I could answer that. I did ask about Gershkovich, who I felt sorry for, and I wanted Putin to release him to me, and I was offended that he didn't. I thought his rationale was absurd. Well, we want to trade him for someone. I said, well, doesn't that make him a hostage? You know, which of course it does.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But other than that, I really wanted to keep it to the things that I think matter most. You know, people can judge whether I did a good job or not, but that was my decision.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't know what it would mean to ask a tough question. Clarifying questions, I suppose they would... I guess. I just wanted him to talk. You know, I just wanted to hear his perspective. Again... I've probably asked more asshole questions than like any living American. You know, I'm, as has been noted correctly, I'm a dick by my nature.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I don't, I just feel at this stage of my life, I didn't need to prove that I could be like, Vladimir Putin answered the question.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I think if I had been, you know, 34 instead of 54, I definitely would have done that because I would have thought this is really about me and I need to prove myself. No, I just, there's a war going on that is wrecking the US economy in a way and at a scale people do not understand. The US dollar is going away.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That was, of course, inevitable ultimately because everything dies, including currencies. But that death, that process of death has been accelerated exponentially by the behavior of the Biden administration and the US Congress, particularly the sanctions. And people don't understand what the ramifications of that are. The ramifications are poverty in the United States, okay?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I just wanted to get to that because I'm coming at this from not a global perspective. I'm coming at it from an American perspective.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's awful. I mean, imagine dying in prison. You know, I've thought about it a lot. I've known a lot of people in prison, a lot, including some very good friends of mine. So I felt instantly sad about it. From a geopolitical perspective, I don't know any more than that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I laugh at and sort of resent, but mostly find amusing the claims by American politicians who really are the dumbest politicians in the world, actually. you know, this happened and here's what it means. And it's like, actually, as a factual matter, we don't know what happened. We don't know what happened. We have no freaking idea what happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We can say, and I did say, and I will say again, I think, I don't think you should put opposition figures in prison. I really don't. I don't. Period. It happens a lot around the world, happens in this country, as you know, and I'm against all of it. But do we know how we died? Short answer, no, we don't. Now, if I had to guess, I would say,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Killing Navalny during the Munich Security Conference in the middle of a debate over $60 billion in Ukraine funding? Maybe the Russians are dumb. I didn't get that vibe at all. You know, I just don't, I don't see it. But maybe, you know, maybe they killed him. I mean, they certainly put him in prison, which I'm against. But here's what I do know is that we don't know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so when Chuck Schumer stands up and... Joe Biden reads some card in front of him with lines about Navalny. It's like, I'm allowed to laugh at that because it's absurd. You don't know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They killed Dugan's daughter in Moscow. So yeah, it's possible.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
and it could be i mean the united states could also be involved i don't think we kill people in other countries to affect election outcomes oh wait no we do it a lot and have for 80 years and it's shameful i can say that as an american because it's my money in my name um yeah i'm really offended by that and i never thought that was true and i spent again i'm much older than you and so i spent my my my world view was defined by the cold war
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And very much in the house I lived in, in Georgetown, in Washington, DC, that's what we talked about. And the left at the time, I don't know, wacko MIT professor who I never had any respect for, who I know you've interviewed, et cetera. Like the hard left was always saying, well, the United States government is interfering in other elections.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I just dismissed that completely out of hand as stupid and actually a slander against my country. But it turned out to all be true or substantially true anyway. And that's been a real shock for me in middle age to understand that. But anyway, as to Navalny, look, I don't know. But we should always proceed on the basis of what we do know, which is to say on the basis of truth, knowable truth.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if you have an entire policy-making apparatus that is making the biggest decisions on the face of the planet on the basis of things that are bullshit or lies, you're gonna get bad outcomes every time, every time. And that's why we are where we are.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, of course it does. Of course it bothers me. I mean, it bothered me when I got there. It bothers me now. I was sad when he died. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the measures of, it's one of the basic measures of political freedom. Are you imprisoning people who oppose you? You know, are you imprisoning people who pose a physical risk to you? I mean, there's some subjective...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
decision-making involved in these things. However, big picture, yeah. Do you have opposition leaders in jail? It's not a free, it's not a politically free society, and Russia isn't, obviously. And as I said, a friend of mine from childhood, an American actually, he was a wonderful person, lives in Russia with his Russian, Moscow with his Russian wife, and I had dinner with him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's a very balanced guy, totally non-political person. and speaks Russian and loves his many Russian children and loves the culture, and there's a lot to love. The culture that produced Tolstoy, you know, it's not a gas station with nuclear weapons, sorry. Only a moron would say that. It's a very deep culture. I don't fully understand it, of course, but I admire it. Who wouldn't?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I asked him, like, what's it like living here? And he goes, you know, it's great. Moscow is a great city, indisputably. He said, you don't want to get involved in Russian politics. And I said, what? he said, well, you could get hurt. You could wind up like Navalny if you did. Um, but also it's just too complicated. You know, the, the Russian mind is not, is not exactly this.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's, it's a Western, it's a European city, but it's not quite European. And, um, the way they think is very, very complex, very complex. It's just, it's too complicated. Just don't get involved. And, I would just say two things. One, uh, I'm not sure. I mean, I don't know.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But my strong sense is that Navalny's death, whoever did it, probably didn't have a lot to do with the coming election in Russia. My sense from talking to Putin and the people around him is they're not really focused on that. I mean, in fact, I asked one of his top advisors, when's the election? And she looked at me completely confused. She didn't know the date of the election. She's like, March?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay. And I asked a bunch of other people just in Moscow, who's Putin running against? Like, nobody knew. So it's not a real election, right? In the sense that we would recognize at all. Second, I was really struck by so many things in Moscow and really bothered by, deeply bothered by a lot of things that I saw there.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But one thing I noticed was the total absence of cult of personality propaganda, which I expected to see. and have seen around the world, Jordan, for example, if you've been to Jordan, but go to Jordan in every building, there are pictures of the king and his extended family. And and that's a sign of political insecurity.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, you don't create a cult of personality unless you're personally insecure and also unless you're worried about losing your grip on power. None of that. It's interesting. And I expected to see a lot of it, you know, like statues of Putin. No, no statues of anybody other than like Christian saints. So that was like, I'm not quite sure. I'm just reporting what I saw.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
um so yes it's not a in a political sense it's not a free country it's not a democracy uh in the way that we would understand it or want i don't want to live there okay because i like to say what i think in fact i make my living doing it um but it's not stalinist in a recognizable way and anyone who says it is should go there and tell me how
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, how honest do you want me to be? I mean it when I say I felt not one twinge of concern for the eight days that I was there. Maybe I just didn't, and I feel like I've got a pretty strong gut sense of things. I rely on it, I make all my decisions based on how I feel, my instincts, and I didn't feel it at all. Um, my lawyers before I left, and these are people who work for a big law firm.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This is not Bob's law firm. This is one of the biggest law firms in the world said, you're going to get arrested if you do this by the U S government on sanctions violations. And I said, well, I, you know, I don't, I don't recognize the legitimacy of that actually, cause I'm American and I've lived here my whole life. And that's so outrageous that I'm happy to face that, uh,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
that risk because I, I so reject the premise. Okay. I'm an American. I should be able to talk to anyone I want to. And I, I plan to exercise that freedom, which I think I was born with. I gave them this long, long lecture.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But that was, um, It was, it was, let me put it this way. I don't know how much you dealt with lawyers, but it costs many thousands of dollars to get a conclusion like that. Like they sent a whole bunch of their summer associates or whatever they sent. They put a lot of people on this question, checked a lot of precedent.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I think, and they sent me a 10 page memo on it and their sincere conclusion was do not do this. And of course it made me mad, so I was lecturing him on the phone and I had another call with the head lawyer and he said, look, a lot will depend on the questions that you ask Putin. If you're seen as too nice to him, you could get arrested when you come back.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was like, you're describing a fascist country, okay? You're saying that the US government will arrest me if I don't ask the questions they want asked? Is that what you're saying? Well, we just think based on what's happened that that's possible. And so... I'm just telling you what happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, maybe, look, I don't speak Russian. I'd never been there before. Everything about the culture was brand new to me. Ignorance does protect you sort of when you have no freaking idea what's going on. You're not worried about it. This has happened to me many times. There's a principle there that extends throughout life. So it's completely possible that I was in grave peril and didn't know it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Because like, how would I know it? You know, I'm like a bumbling English speaker from California. But I didn't feel it at all. But the lawyers did. Yeah, I mean, it scared the crap out of people. You're going to look and you have to pay in cash. They don't take credit cards because of sanctions.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And you have to go through all these hoops, just procedural hoops to go to Russia, which I was willing to do because I wanted to interview Putin because they told me I couldn't. But then there's another fact. Which is that I was being surveilled by the U.S. government, intensely surveilled by the U.S. government.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And this came out, they admitted it, the NSA admitted it a couple of years ago that they were up in my Signal account. And then they leaked it to the New York Times. They did that again before I left. And I know that because two New York Times reporters, one of whom I actually like a lot, uh, said, oh, you're going, and called other people, oh, he's going to interview Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I hadn't told anybody that, like anybody, like my wife, two producers, that's it. So they got that from the government. Then I'm over there, and of course I want to see Snowden, who I admire. And so we have a mutual friend, so I got his text and come on over, and Snowden does not want publicity at all. And so, but I really wanted to have dinner with him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So we had dinner in my hotel room at the Four Seasons in Moscow. And I tried to convince him, you know, I'd love to do an interview, shoot it on my iPhone. You know, I'd love to take a picture together and put it on the internet because I just want to show support because I think he's been railroaded. He had no interest in living in Russia, no intention of being in Russia. The whole thing is a lie.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But anyway, whatever, all this stuff. And he just said, respectfully, I'd rather not anyone know that we met. Great. The only reason I'm telling you this is because, and I didn't tell anybody and I didn't text it to anybody, okay, except him. Semaphore, Semaphore runs this piece saying,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
reporting information they got from the US intel agencies leaking against me using my money and my name in a supposedly free country. They run this piece saying I'd met with Snowden, like it was a crime or something. So again, my interest is in the United States and preserving freedoms here, the ones that I grew up with,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if you have a media establishment that acts as an auxiliary of or acts as employees of the national security state, you don't have a free country. And that's where we are. And I'm not guessing because I spent my entire life in that world. 33 years I worked in big news companies. And so I know how it works. I know the people involved in it. I could name them.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Ben Smith of Semaphore, among many others. And I find that really objectionable, not just on principle either, in effect, in practice. I don't want to live in that kind of country. And people are like, they externalize all of their anxiety about this, I have noticed. So it's like, Russia's not free. Yeah, I know. You know, neither is Burkina Faso.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like most countries aren't free actually, but we are. We're the United States, we're different. And that's my concern. Preserving that is my concern. And so they get so exercised about what's happening in other parts of the world, places they've never been, know nothing about. It's almost a way of ignoring what's happening in their own country right around them.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I find it so strange and sad and weird.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
look one of the things i did before i went um just because the business i'm in all of us are in and just because we live here you know we all have theories about secure communications channels like signal is secure telegraph isn't or whatsapp is owned by mark zuckerberg you can't trust okay so i thought you know before i go over here i was getting all this
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We're having all these conversations, my producers and I, about this. And I decide, you know, I'm just gonna actually find out what's really going on. So I talked to two people who would know, trust me. And it's all I can say, and I hate to be like, oh, I talked to people who would know, but I can't say who they are, but I mean it. They would know.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And both of them said exactly the same thing, which is, are you joking? Nothing is secure. Everything is monitored all the time, if state actors are involved. I mean, you can keep the, you know, whatever, the Malaysian mafia from reading your text, probably. You cannot keep the big intel services from reading your text. It's not possible, any of them, or listening to your calls.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So, and that was the firm conclusion of people who've been involved in it, you know, for a long time, decades, both, in both cases. So I just thought, you know what? I don't care. I don't care. I'm not sending a ton of naked pictures of myself to anybody. Not a ton, just a little bit. 54, dude, probably not too many.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So the guys travel with three people I work with who I love, who I've been around the world with for many years and I know them really, really well. And they all got separate phones and I'm leaving my other phone back in New York or whatever. And I just decided I don't care actually. And I resent having no privacy. Um, because privacy is a prerequisite for freedom. Um, but I can't change it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I have the same surveilled cell phone and, you know, I do switch them out because there it is. Uh, because if you have too much spyware on your phone, this is true. It wrecks the battery. And no, I'm serious. It does. And we got... It was, I don't know, five or six years ago, I went to North Korea, and my phone started acting crazy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I talked to someone on the National Security Council who actually called me about this, somehow knew that your phone is being surveilled by the South Korean government. I was like, I like the South Korean government. Why would they do that? Because they want more information. They thought I was talking to Trump or whatever.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I could tell because all of a sudden, the thing would just drain in like 45 minutes. So that is... That's the downside.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, I mean, I try not to do it. You know, I'm kind of flinty Yankee type in some ways. So I don't I don't like to spend a thousand dollars with a freaking Apple corporation too often. But yeah, I do.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, they leaked it to Semaphore and they leaked it to the New York Times. Look, I would even put up, well, there's nothing I can do, so I have to put up with everything, okay? But I would probably not be actively angry about being surveilled because I'm just so old and I actually do pay my taxes. I'm not sleeping with the makeup artist or whatever. So I don't care that much.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The fact that they are leaking against me, that the Intel services in the United States are actively engaged in US politics and media, that's so unacceptable. That makes democracy impossible. There's no defense of that. And yet NBC News, Kandalinian, and the rest will defend it. And it's like, and not just on NBC News, by the way, on the supposedly conservative channels too, they will defend it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And there's no defending that. You can't have democracy if the intel services are tampering in elections and information, period.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You said, I don't have- Well, the lawyer said, no, he said very specifically, depending on the questions you ask Putin, you know, you could be arrested or not. And I said, listen to what you're saying. You're saying the U.S. government has, like, control over my questions and they'll arrest me if I ask the wrong question? Like, how are we better than Putin if that's true?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by the way, that's just what the lawyer said, but I can't overstate One of the biggest law firms in the United States, smart lawyers we've used for years. So I was really shocked by it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't believe in leaders very much. Like this whole like, oh, Zelensky's Jesus and Putin's Satan. It's like, no, they're all leaders of countries, okay? Like grow up a little bit, you child. Have you ever met a leader? Like all of the... First of all, anyone who seeks power... is damaged morally, in my opinion. You shouldn't be seeking power.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You can't seek power or wealth for its own sake and remain a decent person. That's just true. So there aren't any like really virtuous billionaires and there aren't any really virtuous world leaders. You have grades of virtue. Some are better than others, for sure. But I mean, in other words, Zelensky may be better than Putin. I'm open to that possibility.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But to claim that one is evil and the other is virtuous, it's like you're revealing that you're a child. You don't know anything about how the world actually is or what reality is.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's a spectrum. Absolutely. I'm not saying they're all the same. They're not.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I actually reject even that formulation. I don't think it's always about the leaders. I mean, of course, the leaders make the difference. A good leader has a healthy country and a bad leader has a decaying country, which is something to think about. But it's about the ideas and the policies and the practical effect of things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So we're very much caught up in the personalities of various leaders, not just our political leaders, but our business leaders, our cultural leaders. Are they good people? Do they have the right thoughts? It's like, no, I ask a much more basic question. What are the fruits of their behavior? And I always make it personal because I think everything is personal. Does his wife respect him?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Do his children respect him? How are they doing? Is the country he runs thriving or is it falling apart? If your life expectancy is going down, if your suicide rate is going up, if your standard of living is tanking, you're not a good leader. I don't care what you tell me. I don't care what you claim you represent. I don't care about the ideas or the systems that you say you embody.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's dogs barking to me. How's your life expectancy? How's your suicide rate? What's drug use like? Are people having children? Are people's children more likely to live in a freer, more prosperous society than you did and their grandparents did? Those are the only measures that matter to me. The rest is a lie.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But anyway, the point is, we just get so obsessed with the theater around people, or people, and we miss the bigger things that are happening, and we allow ourselves to be
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
deceived into thinking that what doesn't matter at all matters that moral victories are all that matters no actually facts on the ground victories matter more than anything i mean you certainly see it in this country black lives matter for example how many black people did that help It hurt a lot of black people, but in the end, we should be able to measure it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, like how many black people have died by gunfire in the four years since George Floyd died? Well, the number's gone way, way up. And that was a Black Lives Matter operation, defund the police. So I think we can say, as a factual matter, a data-based... matter. Black Lives Matter didn't help black people. And if it did tell me how, well, these are important moral victories. I'm over that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That's just another lie, you know, a long litany of lies. So I try to see the rest of the world that way. And, but more than anything, I try to see world events through the lens of an American because I am one. And what does this mean for us? And it's not even the war, it's the sanctions. that will forever change the United States, our standard of living, the way our government operates.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That, more than any single thing in my lifetime, screwed the United States. Levying those sanctions in the way that we did was crazy. And that was, for me, the main takeaway from my eight days in Moscow was not Putin. He's a leader, whatever. None of them are that different, actually, in my pretty extensive experience. No, it was Moscow. That blew my mind. I was not prepared for that at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I thought I knew a lot about Moscow. My dad worked there on and off in the 80s and 90s because he was a U.S. government employee and he was always coming back to Moscow. It's a nightmare and all this stuff, no electricity. I got there almost exactly two years after sanctions, totally cut off from Western financial systems, kicked out of SWIFT, can't use US dollars, no banking, no credit cards.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that city, just factually, I'm not endorsing the system. I'm not endorsing the whole country. I didn't go to Lake Baikal. I didn't go to Turkmenistan. I just went to Moscow, largest city in Europe, 13 million people. I drove all around it. And that city is way nicer outwardly anyway. I don't live there. than any city we have by a lot.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by nicer, let me be specific, no graffiti, no homeless, no people using drugs in the street, totally tidy, no garbage on the ground, and no forest of steel and concrete soul-destroying buildings, none of the postmodern architecture that oppresses us without even our knowledge, none of that crap. It's a truly beautiful city. And that's not an endorsement of Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by the way, it didn't make me love Putin. It made me hate my own leaders because I grew up in a country that had cities kind of like that, that were nice cities, that were safe. And we don't have that anymore. And how did that happen? Did Putin do that? I don't think Putin did that actually.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think the people in charge of that, the mayors, the governors, the president, they did that and they should be held accountable for it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're the main metrics that matter. They're the main metrics that matter. The main metrics that matter are cleanliness, safety, and beauty, in my opinion. And one of the big lies that we are told in our world is that no, something you can't measure that has no actual effect on your life matters most. Bullshit. What matters most, to say it again, beauty, safety, cleanliness.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Lots of other things matter too. A whole bunch of things matter. But if I were to put them in order, it's not some theoretical, well, actually, I don't know if you know that the Duma has no power. Okay, I get that. Freedom of speech matters enormously to me. They have less freedom of speech in Russia than we do in the United States. We are superior to them in that way.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But you can't tell me that living in a city where, you know, your six year old daughter can walk to the bus stop and ride on a clean bus or ride in a beautiful subway car that's on time and not get assaulted. That doesn't matter. No, that matters almost more than anything, actually. And we can have both. And like the normal regime defenders and morons, Jon Stewart or whatever he's calling himself.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They're like, well, that's the price of freedom. Like people shitting on the sidewalk is the price of freedom. It's like, you can't fool me because I've lived here for 54 years. I know that it's not the price of freedom because I lived in a country that was both free and clean and orderly. So that's not a trade-off I think I have to make.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You can't, that is the beauty of being a little bit older because you're like, no, I remember that actually. It wasn't what you're saying. We didn't have racial segregation in 1985. It was a really nice country that kind of respected itself. I was here. And I think with younger people, you can tell them that and they're like, well, 1985, you were selling slaves in Madison Square Garden.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like, no, they weren't. You're going to Madison Square Garden and not stepping over a single fentanyl addict.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
while you're suppressing- Of course, of course. I agree with that vehemently. This is not a defense of the Russian system at all. And if I felt that way, I would not only move there, but I would announce I was moving there. I'm not ashamed of my views. I never have been.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And for all the people who are trying to impute secret motives to my words, I'm like the one person in America you don't need to do that with. If you think I'm a racist, ask me and I'll tell you. Are you a racist? Of course.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Anyway, no, but if I was like a defender of Vladimir Putin, I would just say I'm defending Vladimir Putin now. I'm not. I am attacking our leaders and I'm grieving over the low expectations of our people. You don't need to put up with this. You don't need to put up with foreign invaders stealing from you. occupying your kid's school.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Your kids can't get an education because people from foreign countries broke our laws and showed up here and they've taken over the school. That's not a feature of freedom, actually. That's the opposite. That's what enslavement looks like. And so I'm just saying, raise your expectations a little bit. You can have a clean, functional, safe country. Crime is totally optional.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Crime is something our leaders decide to have or not have. It's not something that just appears organically. I wrote a book about crime 30 years ago. I thought a lot about this. You have as much crime as you put up with, period. And it doesn't make you less free to not tolerate murder. In fact, it makes you unfree to have a lot of murders.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I just but it makes me sad that people like, well, you know, I guess this is I can't like live in New York City anymore because of inflation and filth and illegal aliens and people shooting each other. But, you know, I'm just I'm glad because this is vibrant and strong and free. It's like that's not freedom, actually, at all.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I thought... I mean, look... I'm one of the more unselfaware people you will ever interview. So to ask me, you know, how will this be perceived? I literally have no idea and kind of limited interest, but I was so shocked by it. I was so shocked by it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And there were two, and to the extent I regret anything and am to blame for anything, it would be not, and I've done this a lot, not giving it context, not fully explaining why are we doing this, The grocery store, I was shocked by the prices. And yes, I'm familiar with exchange rates, but very familiar with exchange rates. And I adjusted them for exchange rates.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And this is two years into sanctions, total isolation from the West. So I would expect, in fact, I did expect until I got there that their supply chains would be crushed. How do you get good stuff if you don't have access to Western markets? And I didn't fully get the answer because I was occupied doing other things when I was there, but somehow they have. And that's the point.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And they haven't had the supply chains problems that I predicted. In other words, sanctions haven't made the country noticeably worse. Okay. So again, this is commentary of the United States and our policymakers. Why are we doing this? It's forcing the rest of the world into a block against us called BRICS. They're getting off the US dollar.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That will mean a lot of dollars are going to come back here and destroy our economy and impoverish this country. So the consequences, the stakes are really high. They're huge. And we're not even hurting Russia. It's like, what the hell are we doing? One, on the subway, that subway was built by Joseph Stalin. Right before the Second World War. I'm not endorsing Stalin, obviously.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Stalinism is a thing that I hate, and I don't want to come to my country. I'm making the obvious point that for over 80 years, you've had these frescoes and chandeliers, maybe they've been redone or whatever, but somehow the society has been able to not destroy what its ancestors built, the things that are worth having, and they're a lot. And that, like why don't we have that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And even on a much more terrestrial plane, like why can't I have a subway station like that? Why can't my children who live in New York City ride the subway? A lot of people I know who live in New York City are afraid to ride the subway, young women especially. That's freedom? No, again, it's slavery. And how can, if Putin can do this, why can't we? Like what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's not, in other words, I mean, this is like so obvious. I'm a traitor? Okay, so if I'm calling for American citizens to demand more from their government and higher standards for their own society, and remember that just 30 years ago, we had a much different and much happier and cleaner and healthier society,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
where everyone wasn't fat with diabetes at 40 from poisoned food like how is that i'm not a traitor to my country i'm a defender of my country by the way the people calling me a traitor they're all like you know whatever uh they're not i i would not say they're people who put america's interest first but there's many elements like you said you don't like stalinism
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We have more central planning here than they do in Russia. No, that's not true. Of course it is. You think that's true? The climate agenda? Of course. They're telling the US government has in league with a couple of big companies decided to change the way we produce and consume energy. There's no popular outcry for that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's never been any mass movement of Americans who's like, I hate my gasoline powered engine. No more diesel. That has been central planning. That is central planning. and you see it up and down our economy, there's no free market in the United States. You get crossways with the government, you're done.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Google's a monopoly by any definition, and Google is just rich enough to continue doing whatever it wants in violation of US law. So there's no monopoly in Russia as big as Google. I'm not, again, defending the Russian system. I'm calling for a return to our old system, which was sensible and moderate and put the needs of Americans at least somewhere in the top 10. Somewhere in the top 10.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm not saying that Standard Oil was interested in the welfare of average Americans, but I am saying that there was... a constituency in our political system, in the Congress, for example, different presidential candidates are like, no, wait a second. What is this doing to people? Is it good for people or not? There's not even a conversation about that. It's like, shut up and submit to AI.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And no offense. And so I'm just- Offense taken.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah. When it's strong enough. I have no doubt. You'll be the first one to go. Well, as a white man, I just won't even exist anymore, so.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I bet when you Google my picture, 20 years from now, I'll be a black chick.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I hope so, too.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just saying that I think it's changed a lot in the last 15 years and that we need to update our assumptions about what we're seeing. Sure. And that's true up and down. That's true with everything. It's true with your neighbor's children who you haven't seen in three years and they come home from Wesleyan and you're like, oh, you've grown. That is true for the world around us as well.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And most of our assumptions about immigration, about our economy, about our tax system are completely outdated. if you compare them to the current reality. And so I'm just for updating my files. And I have a big advantage over you because I am middle-aged. And so I don't... You've called yourself old so many times throughout the summer. I don't trust my perceptions of things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I'm constantly trying to be like, is that true? I should go there. You know, I should see it. And I guess just in the end, I trust... I trust direct perceptions. Like I don't trust the internet actually. Wikipedia is a joke. Wikipedia could not be more dishonest. It's certainly in the political categories are things that I know a lot about.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Occasionally I read an entry written about something that I saw or know the people involved. And I'm like, well, that's a complete liar. You left out the most important fact. And it's like, it's not a reliable guide to reality or history. And that will accelerate with AI where history or perception of the past is completely controlled and distorted.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I think just getting out there and seeing stuff and seeing that Moscow was not what I thought it would be, which was a smoldering ruin, you know, rats in a garbage dump, it was nicer than New York. What the hell?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh yeah, of course there is. I agree. Yeah. I mean, just to be clear, I'm not... I have no plans to move to Russia. I think I would probably be arrested if I moved to Russia. Ed Snowden, who is the most famous sort of openness, transparency advocate in the world, I would say, along with Assange, doesn't want to live in Russia. He's had problems with the Putin government. He's attacked Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They don't like it. I mean, I get it. I get it. I'm just saying... What are the lessons for us? And the main lesson is we are being lied to like in a way that's bewildering and very upsetting. I was mad about it all eight days I was there because I feel like I'm better informed than most people because it's my job to be informed and I'm skeptical of everything.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And yet I was completely hoodwinked by it. I would just recommend to everyone watching this, like you think, you know, like if you're really interested, if you're one of those people and I'm not one, but it was like waking up every day and you've got a Ukrainian flag on your mailbox or whatever, your Ukrainian lapel pin or absurd theater.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But if you like sincerely care about Ukraine or Russia or whatever, Why don't you just hop on a plane for 800 bucks and go see it? Okay? That doesn't occur to anyone to do that. And I know it's time consuming and kind of expensive, sort of, not really. But you benefit so much. I mean, I could bore you for like eight hours.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I know you've had this experience where you think you know what something is or you think you know who someone is. And then you have direct experience of that place or person and you realize all your preconceptions were totally wrong. They were controlled by somebody else.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
In fact, I won't betray confidence, but off the air, we're talking about somebody and you said, I couldn't believe the person was not at all like what I thought. Mm-hmm. That's happened to me- In the positive direction. In the positive direction. By the way, for me, it's almost always in that direction.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Most people I meet, and I've had the great privilege of meeting a lot of people over all this time, they're way better than you think, or they're more complicated or whatever. But the point is, a direct experience unmediated by liars
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, so that's been, and I haven't been to Ukraine, and I've certainly tried, and they put me on some... kill him immediately list. So I can't, I've tried to interview Zelensky. He keeps denouncing me. I just want an interview with him. He won't. Unfortunately, I would love to do it. I hope you do. I do too.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But one of the things that bothers me most, I love to hear that, what you just said about Kiv, but I'm not really surprised. One of the things that I'm most ashamed of
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
is the bigotry that I felt towards Slavic people, also toward Muslims, I'll just be totally honest, because I lived through decades of propaganda from NBC News and CNN where I worked, you know, about this or that group of people and they're horrible or whatever. And then you wind, and I kind of believed it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I see it now, like, we can't even put the word Russia at Wimbledon because it's so offensive. Well, what does the tennis player have to do with it? Did he invade Ukraine? I don't think he did. Stealing all these business guys' yachts and denouncing them as oligarchs, what do they have to do with it? Whatever. Here's my point.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The idea that a whole group of people is just evil because of their blood, I just don't believe that. I think it's immoral to think that. And I can just tell you my own experience after eight days there. I think it's a really interesting culture, Slavic culture, which is shared, by the way, by Russia and Ukraine. Of course, they're first cousins at the most distant.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I found them really smart and interesting and informed. I didn't understand a lot of what they're saying. I don't understand the way their minds work because I'm American. But it wasn't a thin culture. It's a thick culture. You know, and I admire that. And I wish I could go to Ukraine. I would go tomorrow.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, you mean if I also said that? Well, yeah. I mean, of course I think that. I'm not... So, I guess... Part of it is that I'm a little, because I have such a low opinion of the commentariat in the United States and the news organizations, which really do just work for the U.S. government, I mean, I really see them as I did Izvestia and Pravda in the 80s.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, they're just organs of the government, and I think they're contemptible. And I think the people who work there are contemptible, and I say that as someone who knows them really well personally. I think they're disgusting. That I'm a little bit cut off, kind of, from what people are saying about me, because I'm not interested. So I try not to be defensive. Like, see, I'm not a tool of Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the idea that I'd be flacking for Putin when, you know, my relatives fought in the Revolutionary War. Like, I'm as American as you could be. It's like crazy to me. Ann Applebaum calls me a traitor to my, okay, right. It's just like so dumb. But no, of course they don't have no country has freedom of speech other than us. Canada doesn't have it. Great Britain definitely doesn't have it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
France, Netherlands. These are countries I spent a lot of time in. And Russia certainly doesn't have it. So that's why I don't live there. I'm just saying our sanctions don't work. That's all I was saying. And we don't have to live like animals. We can live with dignity. Even the Russians can do it. That's kind of what I was saying. Even the Russians under Vladimir freaking Putin.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
can live like this. And no, it's not a feature of dictatorship. That's the most, I think, discouraging and most dishonest line by people like Jon Stewart, who really are trying to prepare the population for accepting a lot less. He is really a tool of the regime in a sinister way, always has been. Like, how dare you expect that? What are you, a Stalinist? It's like, no, I'm an American.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm like a decent person. I just want to be able to walk to the grocery store without being murdered. Is that too much to ask? Shut up that you don't believe in freedom. It's really dark if you think about it, you know?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You don't have to live like this. We don't have to live like this. You don't have to accept it. You don't. And everyone's afraid in this country they're going to be shut down by the tech oligarchs or have the FBI show up at their houses or go to jail. And people are legit afraid of that in the United States. And my feeling is, so? Show a little courage.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What is it worth to you for your grandchildren to live in a free, prosperous country? It should be worth more than your comfort. That's how I feel.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yes, that's why there are 61 out of 0 to 100. I don't know what the criteria are they're using to arrive at that, but I know press freedom when I see it, I try to practice it, which is saying what you think is true, correcting yourself when you've been shown to be wrong, as I have many times, being as honest as you can be all the time, and not being afraid.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And those are wholly absent in my country, wholly absent. People are afraid in the news business, I would know, since I spent my life working there, and they're afraid to tell the truth. They're under an enormous amount of pressure, and a lot of them have little kids in mortgages. I've been there. So I have sympathy, but they go along with things.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like you are not allowed, if you stand up at any cable channel, any cable channel in the United States and say, wait a second, how did the Ukrainian government throw a US citizen into prison until he died for criticizing the Ukrainian government? And we're paying for that. That's why it's offensive to me. We're paying for it. And that happens all the time around the world.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Of course, but this is a US citizen and we're paying the pensions of Ukrainian bureaucrats. Like we are the Ukrainian government at this point. And like, if you said that on TV, on any channel, well, you'd lose your job for that. So like, that's not, I don't care. Norway is at the top, really, Norway. If I went on Norwegian television and said NATO blew up Nord Stream, which it did.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
NATO blew up Nord Stream. The United States government, with the help of other governments, blew up, committed the largest act of industrial terrorism in history. And by the way, the largest environmental crime, the largest emission of CO2, methane. could I keep my job? No. So how is that? We don't know that. I mean, the whole point in Norway. Yes.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, as a Scandinavian, I can tell you they would not put up with Norway for a second.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, it's not the only measurement. Obviously, being thrown into prison is much worse than losing your job. I've been fired a number of times for saying what I think, by the way. And it's fine. I've enjoyed it. I don't mind being fired. I've always become a better person after it happened. But it is one measurement of freedom.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you have the theoretical right to do something, but no practical ability to do it, do you have the right to do it? And the answer is not really, actually.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I haven't seen it, but someone characterized it to me. Which is why I pivoted against it early in our conversation about how the price of freedom is living in filth and chaos.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, for me, you know, as I was saying to you before about how it takes a long time to digest and process and understand what happens to you, or at least it does for me, I didn't understand that as a particularly significant moment while it was happening. I just got off a plane from Hawaii. I mean, I was out of it as usual. And I was very literal as usual.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so from my perspective, his criticism of me to the extent I remember it, was that I was a partisan. Well, he had two criticism. One, that Crossfire was stupid, which it certainly was. In fact, I'd already given my notice and I was moving on to another company by that point. Crossfire was stupid. Crossfire didn't help. Crossfire framed everything as Republican versus Democrat, whatever.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It was not helpful to the public discourse. I couldn't agree more. And that's why I left.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
so that was part of his critique fair i'm not sure i would have admitted it at the time because i worked there and it's hard to admit you're engaged in an enterprise that's like fundamentally worthless which it was but uh but his other point was that i was somehow a partisan or a mindless partisan which is definitely not true um it is true of him he is a mindless partisan but i am not and i haven't been for i really haven't been since i got back from baghdad at the beginning of the iraq war and i realized that
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
the Republican Party, which I'd voted for my whole life to that point and had supported in general, was like pushing this really horrible thing that was gonna hurt the United States, which in time it really did. The Iraq War really hurt the United States. And I realized that I had been on the wrong side of that. I said so publicly immediately.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
From Baghdad I said that to the New York Times, and I really meant it. I mean it now. And so to call me partisan, you can call me stupid, you can call me wrong, I certainly have been wrong, but partisan, I just didn't think it was a meaningful, I mean, it's like, that's just not true. It's the opposite of true. So I didn't really take it seriously at all. And I never thought much of him.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I was like, whatever, some buffoon jumping around on my show, grandstanding. But I do think it was recorded. And by the way, that happened right at the moment that YouTube began. I think that was one of the first big YouTube videos. It was one of the first big YouTube videos. So it had a virality that, if that's a word, it went everywhere in a way that didn't used to happen in cable news.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, by that point, that was 20 years ago, as you point out. I've been in cable news for nine years. So before 2004... We would say something on television, and then it would be lost. People could claim they heard it, but you'd have to go to, I think, the University of Tennessee at Knoxville archives to get it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Suddenly, everything we said would live forever on the internet, which is good, by the way. It's not bad, but it was a big change for me, and I just couldn't believe how... And widely that was discussed at the time because I thought he was not an interesting person. I think he's obviously a very unhappy person. I just didn't take him seriously then and I don't now. But so anyway, that was it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It was a smaller thing in my life at the time than other people imagine.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, so I think that, and I see this a lot, not only on the left, but people who believe that whatever political debate they're engaged in is the most important debate in the world. And so they bring an emotional intensity to those debates and they're inevitably disappointed because no eternal question is solved politically. So they're kind of on the wrong path, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And they're doomed to frustration. if they believe that. And many do. He certainly does. That whatever the issue is, so, you know, Clarence Thomas, stop being Supreme Court justice. And the implication is, well, if someone else is Supreme Court justice, we'll live in a fair and happy society. But that's just not, it's a false promise.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I think that people who bring that level of intensity to politics are by definition bitter, by definition disappointed, bitter in the way the disappointed people are. And that the real questions are like, what happens when you die? And how do the people around you feel about you? You know, those are not the only questions in life, but they're certainly the most important ones.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if we're spending a disproportionate amount of time on who gets elected to some office, not that it's irrelevant, it is relevant. But it's not the eternal question. And so I feel like he's not the only kind of bitter, silly person in Washington or in its orbit. There are many, and a lot of them are Republicans. But I just thought it was ironic.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, everything's ironic to me, but being called a Russia sympathizer by a guy who calls himself Boris, it just made me laugh. No one else has ever laughed at that. Boris Johnson's real name is not Boris, as you know. He calls himself Boris. It's his middle name. And so if you call yourself Boris, you don't really have standing to attack anyone else as a Russia defender, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think that's funny. No one else, as I noted, does. But... But Jon Stewart, like, you know, if he, there are a lot of things you could say about me, but he's much more partisan than I am. So to call me a partisan, it's like, what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's a dead, he's a very serious person in this. I will say this. And he shares this quality with a lot of comedians. I know a lot of comedians. I know a cross section of people just having done this job for a long time. And a lot of them are very serious, like about their views and they have a lot of emotional intensity. And he certainly is in that category.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's not, that's like the silliest thing. Yeah, he's a comedian for sure. He can be very funny for sure. He has talent, no doubt about it. I've never denied that. But he's motivated by his moral views. You know, this is right, that is wrong. And I just think that it's a misapplied...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
passion but do you think i'm just a comedian is um i don't think any serious person thinks i mean if you're just a comedian be and and i look i'm i i'm not trying to claim i couldn't claim that i haven't said a lot of dumb things and one of the dumbest things i ever said was when he was on our set lecturing me you know he's he's a moralizer which i also just don't really care for
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
as an aesthetic matter, but he was lecturing me about something and I said, I thought you were here to tell jokes. which I shouldn't have said because he wasn't there to tell jokes. He was there to lecture me, and I should have just engaged it directly rather than trying to diminish him by, like, you're just a little comedian. Well, he doesn't see himself that way. But I would just say this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Jon Stewart's a defender of power. Jon Stewart is never criticized. What's Jon Stewart's view on the aid we've sent to Ukraine, the $100 billion or whatever? What happened to that money? What happened to the weapons that it bought? He doesn't care. He has the exact same priorities as the people permanently in charge in Washington. So whatever he does, he's not alone in that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So does Mika Brzezinski and her husband and all the rest of the cast of dummies. But if you're going to pretend to be the guy who's giving the finger to entrench power, you should do it once in a while. And he never has. There's not one time when he said something that would be deeply unpopular on Morning Joe. That's all I'm saying. And so don't call yourself a truth teller.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You're a court comedian or a flatterer of power. Okay, that's fine. There's a role for that, but don't pretend to be something else.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I thought that was disingenuous. And I haven't watched it. I never have watched a clip one time in my life. And I don't like to watch myself on television. I never have. And that's my fault. And I probably should force myself to watch it, though. Of course, I never will. But I... I think the takeaway for me, which was really interesting and life-changing, was I agree with your assessment.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm not just, I've lost a lot of debates. I've been humiliated on television. I'm not above that. It certainly happened to me. It will happen again. But I didn't feel like it was a clear win for him at all. You know, maybe a TKO, but it was not a knockout at all. And yet it was recorded that way. And I remember thinking, well, that's kind of weird. That's not what I remember.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then I realized, no, Jon Stewart was more popular than I was. Therefore, he was recorded as the winner. And that was hard for me to accept because that struck me as unfair. You should rate any contest on points. Like, here are the rules. We're going to judge the contest on the basis of those rules. And no, in the end, it's just like the more popular guy wins. Every TV critic liked Jon Stewart.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Every one of them hated me. Therefore, he won. And I was like, wow, I guess I have to accept that reality. And you do like the reality of the sunrise. You just have, you know, you're not in charge of it. So that's just what it is.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I remember he called me a dick. And I remember even when he said that, I was like, yeah, I'm definitely a dick.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
People like... Well, I certainly have, or change. Anyway, you hope it's growth. You hope it's not shrinkage. But... But... It is cold outside. Yeah. I mean, look, I... I haven't followed Jon Stewart's career at all. I don't have a television. Like I'm pretty cut off from all that stuff. But so I wouldn't really know.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the measure to me is, are you taking positions that are unpopular with the most powerful people in the world? And how often are you doing it? It's super simple, not for its own sake. But do you feel free enough to say, you know, to the consensus? I disagree. Yeah. And if you don't, then you're just another toady. That's my view.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
On the big things, look, the big things, this is my estimation of it. Others may disagree. The big things are the economy and war, okay? The big things government does can be... I mean, a lot of things government does. Government does everything at this point, but... Where we kill people and how and for what purpose and how we organize the economic engine that keeps the country afloat.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Those are the two big questions. And I hear almost no debate about either one of them in the media. And I have dissenting views on both of them. I'm mad about the tax code, which I think is unfair. I don't think we should be
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The fact that we have a carried interest loophole in the tax code and people are claiming that their income is investment income and they're paying half the tax rate as someone who just goes to work every day, it discourages work. It encourages lending at interest, which I think is gross personally. I'm against it, sorry.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the fact that we're creating chaos around the world is the saddest thing that's happening right now. And nobody feels free to say that. So that's not good. How do you hope the war in Ukraine ends? With a settlement, with a reasonable settlement.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And you know what a reasonable settlement is, which is a settlement, you know, where both sides feel like they're giving a little but can live with it. And I mean, I was really struck in my conversation with Putin by how he basically refused to criticize Joe Biden and to criticize NATO.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And it is, I will just be honest, as an American, it would be a little weird to be like pissing on Joe Biden with a foreign leader, any foreign leader, even though I don't think Joe Biden is a real person or really president. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous, but still he is the American president technically. And I don't want to beat up on the American president with a foreigner. Just don't.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Maybe I'm old fashioned. So that's how I feel. So I didn't push it, but I thought it was really interesting. And because of course, Putin knows my views on Joe Biden. He knew I applied to the CIA. So they've done some done some digging on me. But he didn't mention it. And he didn't attack NATO. And the reason is, I know for a fact, because he wants a settlement.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he wants a settlement not because Russia's about to collapse despite the lying of our media. That's just not true. And no one is even saying it anymore because it's so dumb. He wants it because it's just bad to have a war. And it changes the world in ways you can't predict. People die. Everything about it is sad. And if you can avoid it, you should. So I would like to see...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
a settlement where, look, the thing that Russia wants, and I think probably has a right to, is not to have NATO missiles on this border. I don't know why we would do that. I don't know what we'd get out of it. I just don't even understand it. I don't understand the purpose of NATO. I don't think NATO is good for the United States. I think it's an attack on our sovereignty.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I would pull out of NATO immediately if I were the US president, because I don't think it helps the US. I know a lot of people are getting their bread buttered by NATO. But anyway, that's my view as an American. If I'm a Russian or a Ukrainian, let's just be sovereign countries now. We're not run by the U.S. State Department. We're just our own countries. I believe in sovereignty.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So that's my view. And I also want to say one thing about Zelensky. I attacked him before because I was so offended. by his cavalier talk about nuclear exchange because it would kill my family. So I'm really offended by that. Anyone who talks that way, I'm offended by. But I do feel for Zelensky, I do. He didn't run for president to have this happen.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think Zelensky's been completely misused by the State Department, by Toria Nuland, by our Secretary of State, by the policymakers in the US who've used Ukraine as a vessel for their ambitions, their geopolitical ambitions, but also the many American businesses who've used Ukraine as a way to fleece the American taxpayer.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then by just independent ghouls like Boris Johnson are hoping to get rich from interviews on it. Like the whole thing. Zelensky is at the center of this. He's not driving history. NATO and the United States is driving history. Putin is driving history. There's this guy, Zelensky, so... You know, I do feel for him, and I think he's in a perilous place.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just tried to a second ago. I don't... I don't know the extent that he is in Kiev. He seems to be in the United States an awful lot, like way too much. You can do a satellite interview. You don't have to speak to my Congress. You're not an American. Please leave. That's my opinion. You got many zingers, Tucker. No, no, no. It's just heartfelt.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's bubbling up from the wellspring that never turns off. But I would say this about Zelensky. Yeah, to the extent he's in Ukraine, good man. You know, George W. Bush fled Washington on 9-11. I lived there with three kids and he ran away to some Air Force base in South Dakota. And I thought that was cowardly and I said so at the time. And man, was I attacked for saying that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I wrote a column about it in New York Magazine where I then had a column, hard to believe. But I felt that. I felt that. I think the prerequisites of leadership are really basic. The first is caring about the people you lead. That's number one. In the way a father cares for his children, an officer cares for his troops, a president should care for his people.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that leads inexorably to the next requirement, which is bravery, physical courage. And I believe in that. And I'm not like some tough guy, but I just think it's obvious if you're in charge, you know, I'm at my house and I feel like someone broke in. I'm not going to say to my wife, hey, baby, go go deal with the home invasion. I'm gonna deal with it because I'm dad.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
OK, so if you're the president of a country and your capital city is attacked, as ours was at the Pentagon. And you run away? When the Secret Service told me to. Bitch, are you in charge? Like, who's daddy here? The Secret Service? Do you know what I mean? I found that totally contemptible. And I said so. And man, did I get a lecture, not just from Republicans, but from Democrats.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, you don't know. Put yourself in that position. I was like, I don't know what I would do under that kind of stress, enormous stress, I get it. I know one thing I wouldn't do is run away, because you can't do that. And if you're not willing to die for your country, then you shouldn't be leading it. So yes, to the extent, if Zelensky really is in Ukraine most of the time, amen.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, hold on a second, let's clarify.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, the leader of Afghanistan, the U.S.-backed leader, when the Taliban came, got in a U.S. plane with U.S. dollars and ran away and, of course, is living on those dollars now. So, yeah, there's a lot of cowardly behavior. Good for him. I mean, I guess I'm looking at it slightly differently. which is what's the option? You're the leader of the country. You can't leave.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like Stalin never left Moscow during the war. It was surrounded by the Germans, as you know, for a year, and he didn't leave. And when I was in Russia, they're like, well, Stalin never left. I was like, he's the leader of the country. You can't, I mean, like, that's just table stakes, of course. I would say, but you raise an interesting by implication question, which is, you know, what about Kiev?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, you think the Russians couldn't level Kiev? Of course, obviously they could. Why haven't they? They could, but they haven't.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, that may be totally, I don't know. I don't think, I have no idea what Putin was thinking when he did that. about Zelensky. I didn't ask him. But it's a mistake to imagine this is a contest between Putin and Zelensky. This is Putin versus the US State Department. I mean, Zelensky, that's why I said I felt sorry for him.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, as I said, we're literally paying the pensions of Ukrainian bureaucrats. So there is no Ukrainian government independent of the US government. And you know, maybe you're for that, maybe you're against it, but you can't endorse that in the same sentence that you use the term democracy, because that's not a democracy, right? Obviously.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He wants a settlement. He wants a settlement. He doesn't want to fight with them rhetorically. And he just wants to get this done. And he made a bunch of offers at the peace deal. And we wouldn't even know this happened if the Israelis hadn't told us, and I'm so grateful that they did, that Johnson was dispatched by the State Department to stop it. And it's like,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I think Boris Johnson is a husk of a man, but imagine if you were Boris Johnson and you spent your whole life with the Ukraine flag, and I'm for Ukraine, and then all those kids died because of what you did, and the lines haven't really moved. It hasn't been a victory for Ukraine. It's not gonna be a victory for Ukraine. It's like, how do you feel about yourself if you did that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I've done a lot of shitty things in my life. I feel bad about them. But I've never extended a war for no reason. Like, that's a pretty grave sin, in my opinion, you know?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, we're not, the US government is not allowing negotiations. And so that, for me, is the most upsetting part.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What Russia does, I'm not implicated in that. What Ukraine does, I'm not implicated in that. I'm not Russian or Ukrainian. I'm an American who grew up really believing in my country. I'm supporting my country through my tax dollars. And it's like I really care about what the US government does because they're doing it in my name. And I care a lot because I'm American.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We're the impediment to peace, which is another way of saying we're responsible for all these innocent people getting dragooned out of public parks in Kiev and sent to go die. Like what? That is not good. I'm ashamed of it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
denazification it literally means what it sounds like you know yeah i mean i have a lot of thoughts on this i don't i hate that whole conversation because it's not real it's just ad hominem it's a way of associating someone with an evil regime that doesn't exist anymore But in point of fact, Nazism, whatever it was, is inseparable from the German nation. It was a nationalist movement in Germany.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There were no other Nazis, right? There's no book of Nazism. Like, I want to be a Nazi. What does it mean to be a Nazi? There's no Mein Kampf is not Das Kapital. Right? Mein Kampf is like, to the extent I understand it, it's like he's pissed about the Treaty of Versailles. Whatever. I'm very anti-Nazi. I'm merely saying there isn't a Nazi movement in 2024. It's a way of calling people evil. Okay.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Putin doesn't like nationalist Ukrainians. Putin hates nationalism in general, which is interesting. And of course he does. He's got 80 whatever republics and he's afraid of nationalist movements. He fought a war in Chechnya over this. So I understand it, but I have a different... I'm for nationalism, for American nationalism. So like I disagree with Putin on that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But calling them Nazis, it's like... I thought it was childish. Well, I do believe that he believes it. So that's so interesting. I agree with that. Because I was listening to this because in the United States, everyone's always calling everyone else a Nazi. You're a Nazi. Okay. But I was listening to this and I was like, this is the dumbest sort of not convincing line you could take.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I sat there and listened to him talk about Nazis for like eight minutes. And I'm like, I think he believes this.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think you're right. And I agree with everything you said. And I do think that the war, the Second World War, occupies a place in Slavic society, Polish society, you know, Central and Eastern Europe, that it does not occupy in the United States. And you can just look at the death totals, you know, tens of millions versus less than half a million. So it's like...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This eliminated a lot of the male population of these countries. So, of course, it's still resonant in those countries. I get it. I just, I think I've watched, I don't think I know, I've watched the misuse of words, weaponization of words for political reasons for so long that I just don't like, though I do engage in it sometime, and I'm sorry. I don't like just dismissing people in a word.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Oh, he's a Nazi. He's a liberal or whatever. It's like, tell me what you mean. What don't you like about what they're doing or saying? And Nazi, especially, it's like, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I totally agree. Plus, can you negotiate with a Nazi?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yes. That's all. Of course, I don't know, but I suspect you're right on both counts. But I would say it points to something that I've thought more and more since I did that interview, which was like two weeks ago, I guess. I didn't think he was like as a PR guy, not very good, like not good at telling his own story. You know, the story of the current war in Ukraine is the
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
eastward expansion of NATO and scaring the shit out of the Russians with NATO expansion, which is totally unnecessary. It doesn't help the United States. NATO itself doesn't help the United States. And so I'm not pro-Russian for saying that. I'm pro-American for saying that. And I think that's a really compelling story because it's true. He did not tell that story.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He told some other story that I didn't fully understand. Again, I'm not Russian. He's speaking to multiple audiences around the world. I'm not sure what he hoped to achieve by that interview. I will never know. But I did think that, like, this guy is not good at telling his story. And I also think, honestly, on the basis of a lot, I mean, I know this, very isolated during COVID. Very isolated.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We keep hearing that he's dying of this or that disease. He's got ALS. I mean, I don't know. I'm not his doctor. There's a ton of lying about it. I know that. But one thing that's not a lie is that he was cloistered away during COVID, I know this, and only dealing with two or three people. And that makes you weird. It's so important to deal with a lot of people, to have your views challenged.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And you see this with leaders who stay in power too long. He's been in power 24 years, effectively. He's done a, you know, there have been upsides, I think, for Russia, the Russian economy, Russian life expectancy, but there are definitely downsides. And one of them is you get weird and you get autocratic. You know, like this is why we have term limits. Very few kings don't get crazy in old age.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Have you seen some of the interview he did with some NBC News child?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, first of all, I accept your criticism and I accept it as true that in some way I'm probably pivoting against what I dislike. And I have such contempt for American journalists on the basis of so much knowledge that I probably was like, I don't want to be like that. Fair. That is a kind of defensiveness and dumb. So you're right. As for the Nazi thing, I was like,
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I really felt like we were just speaking so far past each other that we would never like come to, I was like, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about. And that, and especially when I decided or concluded that he really meant it, I was like, that's just too freaking weird to me.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's almost like, yeah, I can think of many other examples where you're interviewing someone and they'll say something that's like, I was interviewing a guy one time and he started talking about the black Israelites and we're the real Jews.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I was like, you know, and it wasn't on camera, but I was like, I don't, that was so, it was so far out to me that I was like, we'll never kind of understand common terms on that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I'm not a health person myself. So, I mean, I can easily gain 30 pounds and not know it. So, like, I'm probably not a great person to ask. But no, he seemed fine. He seemed, he had his arm hooked through a chair. And I heard people say, well, he's got Parkinson's. And Parkinson's can be controlled, I know, for periods with drugs. So it's hard to assess.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just not, one of the tells of Parkinson's is gait, you know, how a person walks, I think. And his walking seemed fine. I walked around with him and talked to him off camera. He's had some work done, for sure. I mean, 71 or two.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, I'm 54.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I can't, you know, I feel bad even with Putin or anybody like talking about stuff that is off the record, but I'll just say that, um, when I said that he didn't wanna fight with NATO or with the US State Department or with Joe Biden because he wants a settlement, that's a very informed perspective. He doesn't. Say whatever you want about that, believe it or not, but that is true. So.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So he's open for peace, for peace negotiation. Russia tried to join NATO in 2000. That's a fact, okay? They tried to join NATO. So just think about this. NATO exists to keep Russia contained. It exists as a bulwark against Russian territorial expansion. And whether or not Russia has any territorial ambitions is another question. Like, why would it?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's the largest land mass in the world, whatever. But that's why it exists. So if Russia seeks to join NATO, it is by definition a sign that NATO's job is done here. We can declare victory and go home. The fact that they turned him down is like so shocking to me, but it's true. Then he approaches the next president, George W. Bush, that was with Bill Clinton at the end of his term in 2000.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He approaches the next president and said, let's, in our next missile deal, let's align on this and we'll designate Iran as our common enemy. Iran, which is now, you know, effectively in league with Russia, thanks to our insane policies. But, um... And George W. Bush, to his credit, is like, well, that seems like kind of an innovative good idea.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And Condi Rice, who's like one of the stupidest people ever to hold power in the United States, if I can say, who's like monomaniacally anti-Russia because she had an advisor at Stanford who was or something during the Cold War. No, we can't do that. And Bush is just weak. And so he agreed. It's like, what? That is crazy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you're fighting with someone and the person says, you know what, actually our interests align and you've spent 80% of your mental disk space on hating me and opposing me or whatever, but actually we can be on the same team. If you don't at least see that as progress, like what, why would you, if your interest is in helping your country, what would be the, what's the counter argument?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't even understand it. And no one has even addressed any of this. The war of Russian aggression. Yeah, it was a war of Russian aggression for sure. But how did we get there?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We got there because Joe Biden and Tony Blinken dispatched Kamala Harris, who does not freelance this stuff, okay, fair to say, to the Munich Security Conference two years ago this month, February 2022, and said in a press conference to Zelensky, poor Zelensky, we want you to join NATO. This was not in a backroom thing. This was in public at a press conference.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Knowing, because he said it like 4,000 times, we don't want nuclear weapons from the United States or NATO on our western border. Duh. And days later, he invaded. So, like... What is that? And if you even, I raised that question in my previous job, and I was denounced as, of course, a traitor or something, but okay, great, I'm a traitor. What's the answer? What's the answer?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
These are not, you know, Toria Nuland, who I know, not dumb, hasn't helped the US in any way, an architect of the Iraq war, architect of this disaster, one of the people who destroyed the US dollar, okay, fine, but she's not stupid. So like, you're trying to get a war by acting that way. What's the other explanation?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
By the way, NATO didn't want Ukraine because it didn't meet the criteria for admission. So why would you say that? Because you want a war. That's why. And that war has enriched a lot of people to the tune of billions. So I don't care if I sound like some kind of left-wing conspiracy nut because I'm neither left-wing nor a conspiracy nut. Tell me how I'm wrong.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's the hive mind. And I spent my whole life in DC from 85 to 2020, so 35 years. And again, I grew up around it in that world. and i do think that conspiracies of course there are conspiracies but in general the hive mind is responsible for the worst decisions it's a bunch of people with the same views totally you know views that have not been updated in decades um putin said something
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
that I thought was absolutely true. I don't know how he would know this, but it is true because I lived among them. So the Soviet Union dissolves in August of 91 on my honeymoon in Bermuda. I'll never forget it. And it was a big thing. If you lived in DC, I mean, the receptionist in my office in 1991 was getting a master's in Russian from Georgetown. He was gonna be a Sovietologist.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he was among thousands of people in Washington on that same track. And so the Soviet Union collapses. Well, so does the rationale for a good portion of the US government has been dedicated for over 40 years to opposing this thing that no longer exists. So there's a lot of forward momentum.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's a huge amount of money, the bulk of the money in the richest country in the world aimed in this direction. And it's very hard for people to readjust, to reassess. And you see this in life all the time. You know, I love my wife. All of a sudden, she ran off with my best friend. Holy shit, I didn't expect that this morning. Now it's a reality. Like, how do I deal with that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, you know, I got stage four cancer diagnosis. And it's all bad, but I'm just saying that's the nature of life. Things you did not anticipate, never thought you'd have to face happen out of nowhere. And you have to adjust your expectations and your goals. And people have a hard time with that, very hard time with that. So that's a lot of it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you're Condi Rice, sort of like highly ambitious midwit who gets this degree from Stanford and you read Tolstoy in the original, sure you did. and you spent your whole life thinking that Russia is the center of evil in the world, it's kind of hard to be like, well, actually, there's a new threat, and it's coming from farther east. It's primarily an economic threat.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And maybe all the threats aren't reduced to tank battles. That's the other thing is these people are so inelastic in their thinking, so lacking imagination and flexibility that they can't sort of imagine like a new framework. And the new framework is not that you're going to go to war with China over Formosa, Taiwan.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, the framework is that all of a sudden all the infrastructure in Tijuana is going to be built by China. And like that's a different kind of threat. But they can't kind of get there because they're not that impressive.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, it's a template for everything. And I think it's of huge significance to the development of the West, to the civilization we live in now, to world history. It was a world war. And so I think it's worth knowing a lot about and being honest about and all the rest. But it's hardly the sum total of human history. It's a... It's a snapshot.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And and so you keep hearing people refer to not even the war. No one ever talks about the war. Like what? How much does Tony Blinken know about the Battle of Stalingrad? Probably zero. There's no anything. Largest battle in human history. But he knows nothing. But he knows a lot about the cliches surrounding the 38 to 40 period, 1938 to 1940.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And everything is kind of expressed through that formula. And not everything is that formula. That's all I'm saying. And the Republicans have a strange weakness for it, particularly the closeted ones, the weird ones who have no life other than starting more wars.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
everything to them, the most vulnerable, I would say, among them, emotionally, psychologically vulnerable, the dumbest, they will always say the same thing. And it appeals to Republican voters, unfortunately, that every problem is the result of weakness. Everyone's Chamberlain. Like, Germany never would have gone in to Poland and Czechoslovakia if England had been stronger. That's the argument.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Is that true? I don't know, actually. Maybe. It might be totally true. It might not be true at all. I really don't know. But not everything is that. That's not always true. If I go up to you in a bar and I say, I hate your necktie, I'm being pretty aggressive with you, pretty strong. You might beat the shit out of me actually, or shoot me if I do that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like an aggressive posture doesn't always get you the outcome that you want. Sometimes it requires a more sophisticated Mediterranean posture. I mean, it kind of depends. It's a time and place thing. And they don't acknowledge that. It's like everything is this same template. And I just, that's not the road to good decision-making at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Man, it would be a massive cost for doing it. It may destroy my life to interview Putin, though I can tell you as much as I want that I'm not a Putin defender. I only care about the United States. That's 100% true. Anyone who knows me will tell you what's true. I keep saying it. But history may record me to the extent it records me at all as a tool of Putin, a hater of America.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, that seems absurd to me, but absurd things happen. What would I ask Hitler? I don't even know. I guess that I would probably ask him what I asked Putin, which is what I ask everybody. Like, what's your motive? Why did you do? I mean, if he'd already gone into Poland, like, why are you doing that? You know, what's your goal?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then, you know, the question is, is he going to answer honestly? I don't know. You know, you can't make someone answer a question honestly. You can only... sort of shut up while they talk and then let people decide what they think of the answer. Well, just like in the bar fight, there's different ways. There are different ways. That's exactly right. That's exactly, man, is that true?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That is absolutely right.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I just wanted to get it on the record. That's all I wanted.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I would flip it around and say anyone who seeks to shut that down by focusing on a supermarket video of four minutes versus a two hour and 15 minute long interview with a world leader, anyone who doesn't want more conversation, who wants fewer facts, fewer perspectives is totalitarian, probably doesn't have good intent. I mean, I can honestly say for all my many manifold faults,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've never tried to make people shut up. You know, it's not in me. I don't believe in that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's horrible. I mean, I don't have much of a technique as an interviewer other than listen really carefully. That's my only skill. I don't have the best questions. I certainly don't have the best questions. All I do that I'm proud of and that I think works is I just listen super carefully. I never let a word go by that I'm not paying attention. It exhausts me, actually.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But you can't do that in a foreign language. Because there's a delay. Here I'm just whining, but it's real.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So what's happening is, so the translator, so we were, of course, extremely uptight about the logistical details. So we brought our own cameraman, who I've been around the world with, who worked at Fox, came with me now. Amazing. And he did... I mean, it was our cameras, lighting, everything. Like, we had full control of that, and we had control of the tape.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I thought he seemed nervous, and I was very surprised by that, and I thought he seemed like someone who'd overthought it a little bit, who had a plan, and I don't think that's the right way to go into any interview. My strong sense, having done a lot of them for a long time, is that it's better to know what you think, to say as much as you can honestly so you don't get confused by your own lies,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The Russians also had their own cameras, and I don't know what they did with it. But we had full control of that, and we brought our own translator. We got our own translator, because I just don't trust anyone, right? So I think we had a good translator. We had two of them, actually, because they get exhausted. But the problem is...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
from my perspective as someone who's trying to think of a follow-up and listen to the answer, Putin will talk and you can, in part of your ear, hear the Slavic sounds. And then over that is a guy with a Slavic accent speaking English. And then you can hear Putin stop talking and then this guy's answer goes on for another 15, 20 seconds. So it's super disconcerting and it's really hard.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the other thing is, it doesn't matter how good your translators are, I'm interested in language. I speak only English fluently. But I'm really interested in language and I know, and I work in language. It doesn't matter how good your translator is. In literature and in conversation, you miss so much if the language is moving for you.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, you see this in Bible study, you see it in Dostoevsky, you see it everywhere. If you don't speak Aramaic, Hebrew, Russian, you're not really getting I mean, even in romance languages. Like, I, you know, I like Balzac, okay? I like, who's obviously written in French. You read Pere Gouriot, it's an amazing novel, hilarious. And it's like, you're not really getting it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And it's not that, you know, French and English are not that far apart. Russian? Like, what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Exactly. And my understanding of Russian is, as a lover of Russian literature and English is that it's not a simple language at all. The grammar's complex. There's a lot that's expressed that will be lost in the translation. So yes, I mean, the fact that you speak native Russian I mean, I would run, not walk to that interview because I think it would just be amazing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You would get so much more out of it than I did.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
For sure. And Putin speaks decent English. I spoke to him in English, so I know that, but he's not comfortable with it at all.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm aware of that. It's a political decision. No, I know.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
That's something I've... I don't think they're allowed to speak in Russian in some places in Ukraine, right? That's one of the reasons that Russia was so mad is that they were attacking language. And that's a fair complaint. Like what?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And by the way, if you haven't been to Moscow in a while, you should see it and you will pick up a million things that were invisible to me and you should assess it for yourself. And my strong advice would be, even if you don't interview Putin, go over there, spend a week there and assess what you think. I mean, how restricted does the society feel?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, it would take a lot of balls to do this because you'll, I mean, whatever you decide, you will be sucked into conversations that have nothing to do with you, political conversations. You're obviously not a political activist, right? You're an interviewer, but I think it would be so interesting.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I approached, and maybe I did it incorrectly, but this was the product of a lot of thought. I was coming into that interview aware that he hadn't given an interview at all with anybody since the war started. So I had a million different questions, and as noted, I didn't ask them because I just wanted to focus on the war. But, I mean, there's so many. I'll send you my notes that I wrote.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And just to be yourself. And I thought that he went into it like an overprepared student. And I kept thinking, why is he nervous? But, you know, I guess because he thought a lot of people were going to see it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was like a diligent little girl. That would be amazing. All these questions. Some of them I thought were pretty funny.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, that's probably right. The question that I really wanted to ask that I was almost going to ask because it made me laugh out loud.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was sitting having drinking coffee beforehand with my producers and I was like, I'm gonna go in there, my first question's gonna be, Mr. President, I've been here in the Kremlin for two days preparing and I haven't seen a single African American in a position of power in the Kremlin. It's too culturally specific and dry. He'd be like, this guy's freaking crazy.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
All right. It doesn't translate.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
you think i live in a spiritual graveyard of people killed by the quest for fame yes i have lived in it uh i mean i would say the one advantage the two advantages i have and one i've i have a happy family and a stable family and a stable group of friends um which is just the greatest blessing and um and a strong love of nature and that my family shares so you know i'm in nature every day and
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I have a whole series of rituals designed to keep me from becoming the asshole that I could easily become. But no, of course. I mean, that's what I... And I don't want to beat up on... I'm grateful to Elon, who gave me a platform. And I mean that sincerely. But I definitely don't spend a lot of time on social media or on the internet for that exact reason.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, first of all, I think it's, as I've said, a much more controlled environment than we acknowledge. And I don't want lies in my head. But I also don't want to become the sort of person who's seeking the adulation of strangers. I think that's soul poison. And I said earlier that I think that the desire for power and money will kill you. And I believe that, and I've seen it a lot.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I also think the desire for the love of people you don't know is every bit as poisonous, maybe more so. And so, yes. And it's not just because I've obviously spent most of my life in public. And in fact, I don't spend my life in public. I'm a completely private person. But professionally, I've spent my life in public. It's not just that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like social media makes everybody into a cable news host. And we were talking off the air, my new, I just, I'm obsessed with this. I don't know enough about it, but here's what I do know. South Korea, amazing country, great people. I grew up around Koreans, probably no group, if I can generalize about a group, that I like more than Koreans are just smart, funny, honest, brave.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I was totally shocked by that and very annoyed because I thought he was filibustering. I thought he would, I mean, I asked him, as I usually do, the most obvious, dumbest question ever, which is, you know, why'd you do this?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I really like Koreans, I always have, my whole life, growing up in Southern California with Koreans. South Korea is like dying. It's literally dying. It's way below replacement rate in fertility. Its suicide rate is astronomical. Why is that? It's a rich country. Of course, I don't know the answer, but I suspect it has something to do with the penetration of technology
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
into South Korean society is I think one of the highest, certainly one of the highest in the world. People live online there. And there was a belief for a bunch of reasons in South Korea that Western technology would be a liberating, progressive force. And I think it's been the opposite. That's my sense, strong sense. And I think it's true in this country too.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't understand how people can ignore the decline in life expectancy or the rise in fentanyl use. It's not just about China shipping precursor chemicals to Mexico. It's like, why would you take that shit?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, let me ask you, and I know you're a technologist, and I respect it, and there's a lot about technology that I like and have benefited from. I had back surgery, and it worked, okay? So I'm not against all technology. But can you name a technology, a big technology in the last 20 years that we can say conclusively has improved people's lives?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I love that. I love that idea. Are people better informed? Are they more superstitious and misled than they were 20 years ago? It's not close.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I couldn't agree more. You can very quickly imagine you're an expert, and that may be the problem. I think, no, I just experienced it in Moscow. It's like, again, I feel like I'm in the top 1% for information, certainly intake, because it's my job. And I had literally, and plus, and I'm always out of the country. I've been around the world many times.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he had said in a speech that I think is worth reading, I don't speak Russian, so I haven't heard it in the original, but he had said at the moment of the beginning of the war, he had given this address to Russians in which he explained to the fullest extent we have seen so far why he was doing this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, I feel like I know a lot about the rest of the world, or I thought I did. And how did I not know any of that? And maybe I'm just like unusually ignorant or something or reading the wrong things. I don't know what it was, but all I know is the digital information sources that I use to understand just something as simple as what's the city of Moscow like were completely inadequate.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And anyway, look, I just am worried that we're missing the obvious signs. And the obvious signs are reproduction. Life expectancy, sobriety. If you have a society where people just can't deal with being sober, don't want to have children, and are dying younger, you have an extremely sick, you have a suicidal society, okay? And I'm not even blaming anyone for it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just saying objectively that is true. And the measure of a health of your society is the number of children that you have and how well they do. It's super simple. That's the next generation. We all die. And what replaces us? And if you don't care, then you're suicidal and maybe other things too. But that's all I'm saying. What happened to South Korea?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, why can't anyone answer the question? They're great people. They're rich. They have all these advantages. They're on the cutting edge of every American. For a foreign country, they're more American than maybe any other country other than Canada. And like, what happened?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, let me just ask you this. I think North Korea seems like the most dystopian, horrible place in the world, right? Obviously. It's a byword for dystopia, right? North Korean. I use it all the time, and I mean it. If in 100 years there are more North Koreans still alive than there are South Koreans, what does that tell us?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, that's something to worry about, but also— But, like, how did it happen? Like why? I'm interested in the why. This is a question I asked Putin. You know, sometimes we don't know why, but why does no one ask why?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay, then let me ask you a couple questions and perhaps you have the answer. And I've always assumed that was true. And I should say that when I was a kid, I lived in La Jolla, California, next to the Salk Institute, named after Jonas Salk, a resident of La Jolla, California, who created the polio vaccine and saved untold millions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so my belief, which is still my belief, actually, that's a great thing. It's one of the great additions to human flourishing ever. But... If technology is so great, why is life expectancy going down? And why are fewer people having kids? And why would anybody who has internet access ever use fentanyl? What is that? What is going on? And until we can answer that question, I think we have to...
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
assume the question of whether technology is a net good or a net bad is unresolved, like at best, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And he said in that speech, I fear that NATO, the West, the United States, the Biden administration will preemptively attack us. And I thought, well, that's interesting. I mean, I can't evaluate whether that's a fear rooted in reality or one rooted in paranoia. But I thought, well, that's an answer right there.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, I want that to be true. And when you said that the internet allows people to escape the darkness of ignorance, man, that resonated with me because I felt that way in 1993, four, when it was first starting and I first got on it. And I thought, man, this is amazing. You can talk for free to anyone around the world. This is going to be great. But let me just ask you this.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This is something I've never gotten over or gotten a straight answer to. Why is it that in any European city, the greatest buildings, indisputably, were built before electricity and the machine age? Why has no one ever built a medieval cathedral in the modern era ever? What is that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
There's a lot of people- Right, let's be specific. Pick a European city or any city in the world and tell me that there's a prettier building than, say, Notre Dame before it was set fire to.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Purely in architecture. Of course. Trees are prettier than any building, in my opinion. So I agree with that.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm not discounting the possibility of digital beauty at all. And... you know, the Ted Kaczynski in me wants to, but that's too close-minded. I agree. I'm completely willing to believe there is such a thing as digital beauty. I mean, I have digital pictures on my phone of my dogs and kids, so I know that there is.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But purely in the realm of architecture, because it's like limited and it is, you know, one of the pure expressions of human creativity. We need places to live and work and worship and eat. And so we build buildings and every civilization has. But the machine age, the industrial age, seemed to have decreased the quality and the beauty in that one expression of human creativity, architecture.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And why is that?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I agree with you sort of, but like the Brooklyn Bridge, I don't know that there's any modern bridges, you know, that was built in late, 19th century, yeah. Very much in the industrial age. But I'm just saying like the great cathedrals of Europe, even the pyramids, whoever built them, it doesn't, it seems like if you, it's just, it's like super obvious.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I'm just like, I'm dealing on the autism level here. Just like, well, why is that? But that's a good way to start. If all of a sudden you have electricity and hydraulics And you have access to, I mean, I have machines in my wood shop at home that are so much more advanced than anything that any cathedral builder in 15th century Europe had.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I alluded to that in my question, and rather than answering it, he went off on this long, from my perspective, kind of tiresome, sort of greatest hits of Russian history. And the implication, I thought, was, well, Ukraine is ours, or Eastern Ukraine is ours already. And I thought he was doing that to avoid answering the question.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And yet there's neither I nor anyone I know could even begin to understand how a flying buttress was built, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Was the Manhattan Project a good idea to create nuclear weapons? That's an easy call.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
so the mutually assured destruction seems to have ended wars ended major military well it's been what 80 years not even 80 years 79 and so we haven't had a world war in 79 years but one nuclear exchange would of course kill more people than all wars in human history combined so
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I am counting because I think it, obviously it's like completely demonic and everyone pretends like it's great. Nuclear weapons are evil. Yeah, no, absolutely. The use of them is evil. The technology itself is evil. And in my, I mean, it's like, if you can't, that's just so obvious. And that's what I'm saying is like, I'm not against all technology. I took a shower this morning.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It was powered by an electric pump, heated by a water heater. Like I loved it. I sat in an electric sauna, you know, like I'm not, against all technology, obviously. But the mindless worship of technology? Sure. Mindless worship of anything is pretty bad. But I'm just saying, so you said, let's approach this from a realist perspective. Okay, let's.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If we think that there is a reasonable or even a potential chance, it could happen, maybe on the margins, let's assign it a 15% chance, that AI, for example, gets away from us and we are now ruled by machines that may actually hate us. Who knows what they want? Why wouldn't we use force to stop that from happening? So you're walking down the street in midtown Manhattan. It's midnight.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You've had a few drinks. You're coming from dinner. You're walking back to your apartment. A guy, a very thuggish looking guy, young man approaches you. He's 50 feet away. He pulls out a handgun. He lifts it up to you. You also are armed. Do you shoot him or do you wait to get shot? Because all the data, look, he hasn't shot you.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
He's not committed a crime other than carrying a weapon in New York City, but maybe he's got a license. You don't know. Could be legal. But he's pointing a gun at you. Is it fair to kill him before he kills you, even though you can't prove that he will kill you?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Right, but it turns out that you have some confidence in your ability to stop the threat by force. Are you justified in doing that?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, but you are wearing cowboy boots, and they're clicking on the cobblestones. Actually, you're in meatpacking.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So the last thing you want when you're interviewing someone is to get rolled. And I didn't want to be rolled. So I a couple of times interrupted him politely, I thought, but he wasn't having it. And then I thought, you know what? I'm not here to prove that I'm a great interviewer. It's kind of not about me. I want to know who this guy is.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
We've faced this. I mean, we've faced this. And the last president to try and keep, in a meaningful way, nuclear proliferation under control was John F. Kennedy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But what's your suggestion? Wasn't it inevitable? Hold on. Well, their position in 1962 was, no, it's absolutely not inevitable. Or perhaps it's inevitable in the sense that our death is inevitable as human beings, but we fight against the dying of the light anyway because that's the right thing to do.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
No, we were willing to use force to prevent other countries from getting the bomb because we thought that would be really terrible because we acknowledged that while there were upsides to nuclear weapons, just like there are upsides to AI, the downside was terrifying in the hands of I mean, that's the thing that I kind of don't get.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like the applications of that technology in the hands of people who mean to do harm and destroy. It's like so obviously terrifying.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, well, I mean, this is one of the reasons I wasn't afraid in the Vladimir Putin interview, because it's like, it's all ending anyway.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Might as well dance on the deck of the Titanic. Don't be a pussy. Enjoy it.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Someone the other day said that Biden ascribed that to Churchill. That was a Churchill quote.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like if you live in a society where people don't read anymore... Like people are by definition much more ignorant and you like, but they don't know it. It's like, I do think the Wikipedia culture, and I think there are cool things about Wikipedia. Certainly it's ease of use is high and that's great.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But people get the sense that like, oh, I know a lot about, you know, this or that or the other thing. And it's like the key to wisdom, again, the key to wise decision-making is knowing what you don't know. And it's just so important to be reminded of what a dummy you are and how ignorant you are all the time. That's why I like having daughters.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like it's never far from mind how flawed I am, and that's important.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I've had it happen to me twice. Twice is enough. It got me to quit drinking. I was good at starting fights, not good at winning them. But no, I completely agree with that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think a Western audience, a global audience has a right to know more about the guy. And so just let him talk. You know, because it's not, you know, I don't feel like my reputation's on the line. People have already drawn conclusions about me, I suppose, to the extent they have. I'm not interested really in those conclusions anyway. So just let them talk.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, my texts reflect a lot of things, including how I feel at the moment that I sent them. That specific text, I happen to know, since I had to go through it forensically during my deposition in a case I was not named in. I had nothing to do with whatsoever. It's crazy how civil suits can be used to hurt people you disagree with politically. But I was mad at a very specific person.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, really, you're asking me, I'll tell you exactly what that was. It was the second the election ended and they stopped voting, stopped the vote counting on election night. I was like, well, this is, and it's all now mail-in ballots, electronic voting machines. I was like, that's a rigged election. I thought that then, I think it now. Well, now it's obvious that it was.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But at the time I was like, I feel like there's, that was like crazy what just happened. I want, but I don't want to go on TV and say that's a rigged election because I don't have any evidence it was a rigged election. You can't do that. It's irresponsible and it's wrong. So I was like, I want the Trump campaign was making all these claims about, you know, this or that fraud.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I was trying my best to to substantiate them, to follow up on it. Everyone else like, shut up, Trump, you lost. Go away. We're going to indict you. But I felt like my job was to be like, no, the guys he's president, he's claiming the election just got stolen and he's making these claims. Let's see if we can. Well, the people around him were like so incompetent. It was just absolutely crazy.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I called a couple of times, I finally gave up, but I'd call and be like, all right, you guys claim that these inconsistencies, this, you know, whatever this happened, give me evidence and I'll put it on TV. You know, it's my job to bring stuff that is not gonna be aired anywhere else to the public.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I couldn't, it was like, it was insane how incompetent and unserious- So they weren't able to provide like- Well, here's the point of the story and of that text. So then they come out and they say, well, dead people voted. Well, that's just an easy call, okay?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If a dead person voted, we can prove someone's dead because being dead is one of the few things we're good at verifying because you start to smell, okay? And there's a record of it. It's called a death certificate. So it's like, give me the names of people who are dead who voted. Then we can get their registration and we can show they voted. Five names. So I go on TV and I say...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
this caroline johnson 79 of waukegan illinois voted here's her death she died and the campaign sends me this stuff now i in general don't take stuff directly from campaigns because they all lie because their job is to get elected or whatever so i'm very wary of campaigns having been around it for 30 years so like but i made an exception to my rule and i got a bunch of stuff from them well like of the six names two of them are still alive what
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And so I calmed down and just let them talk. And in retrospect, I thought that was really, really interesting. You know, whether you agree with it or not, or whether you think it's relevant to the war in Ukraine or not, that was his answer. And so it's inherently significant.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I immediately corrected it the next night. CNN did a whole segment on how I was spreading disinformation, which I was, by the way. In this one case, they were right. I was so mad. I was like, I hate you. I'm not talking about you. I'm so mad. Anyway, that's the answer. That's what that was.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
My producer. And I was like venting. It's like a producer I was really close to. Yeah. I've known him for a long time. He's really smart. And he's like... He was someone I could be honest with. And I was like... And by the way, it's so funny. I mean, now I'm doing what was me, which I will keep to a minimum. But... It's like stealing someone's text. And by the way, I was an idiot.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I should have said, come and arrest me. I'm not giving you my freaking text messages, okay? But I got bullied into it by a lawyer. I didn't get bullied into it. I was weak enough to agree with a lawyer. It was my fault. Never should have done that. Fuck you. They're my texts. I'm not even named in this case. That's what I should have said, but I didn't.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I said I was mad on the air the next day, but not in language that colorful. But whatever, whatever. I try to be, I try to be transparent. I mean, I also think by the way, if you watch someone over time, you don't always know what they really think, but you can tell if someone's lying, you know, you can sort of feel it in people. And I have lied. I'm sure I'll lie again. I don't want to lie.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, I don't think I'm a liar. I try not to be a liar. I don't want to be a liar. I think it's like really important not to be a liar.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
My texts are so uninteresting now. It's like crazy how uninteresting they are. Emojis and gifs. Yeah, lots of dog pictures.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
was it stolen it was 100 stolen like it was rigged to that large of a yeah they they completely change the way people vote right before the election on the basis of covid which had nothing to do in that way it was rigged meaning percent and then manipulated then you censor the information people are allowed to get anyone who complains about covid which is like
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
By the way, it might have hurt Trump, but I mean, it's like whatever. I mean, you could play it many different ways. You can't have censorship in a democracy by definition. Here's how it works. The people rule, they vote for representatives to carry their agenda to the capital city and get it enacted. That's how they're in charge.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And then every few years they get to reassess the performance of those people in an election. In order to do that, they need access, unfettered access to information. And no one, particularly not people who are already in power, is allowed to tell them what information they can have. They have to have all information that they want.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Whether the people in charge want it or don't want it or think it's true or think it's false, it doesn't matter. And the second you don't have that, you don't have a democracy. It's not a free election, period. And that's very clear in other countries, I guess, but it's not clear here. But I would say it's this election...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It took me a while to come to this, but it's this election that's the referendum on democracy. Biden is senile. He's literally senile. He can't talk. He can't walk. The whole world knows that. Leave our borders. Everybody in the world knows it. A senile man is not going to get elected in the most powerful country in the world unless there's fraud. Right? Period.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I did my my normal regimen of nicotine pouches and coffee. No, I'm not a tea drinker. I tried not to eat, you know, all the sweets they put in front of us, which is that that is my weakness is eating crap. But you eat a lot of sugar before, as you know, before an interview and it and it does dull you. So I I successfully resisted that. But I know I wasn't nervous.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Like, who would vote for a senile man? He literally can't talk. And nobody I've ever met thinks he's running the U.S. government because he's not. And so I think the world is looking on at this coming election and saying, and a lot of the world hates Trump, okay? It's not an endorsement of Trump. But it's just true. If Joe Biden gets reelected, democracy is a freaking joke.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Okay, that may be a term of art that I don't fully understand and maybe there's like an IQ threshold or something, but I'm happy to go with degraded cognitive ability. Sure, but that's an age thing. But he's the leader of the United States with the world's second largest nuclear arsenal.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I agree with you that rhetorical ability really matters, convincing people that your program is right, telling them what we're for, national identity, national unity all come from words. I agree with all of that. But at this stage, even someone who grunted at the microphone would be more reassuring than a guy who clearly doesn't know where he is. And it And I think everyone knows that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And like, I can't imagine there's an honest person in Washington, which is going to vote for Biden by 90%, obviously, because they're all dependent on the federal government for their income. But is there any person who could say like out of 350 million Americans, like that's the most qualified to lead or even in the top 80%? Like what? That's so embarrassing that that guy is our president.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And with wars going on, it's scary. But it's complicated to understand why
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Well, I agree. Well, it's a failure of the system. Clearly, it's not working. If you've got one guy over 80, the other guy almost at 80, like people that he should not be running anything.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I think it's a really interesting question. There are a million different answers, and of course I don't fully understand it, even though I feel like I've watched it pretty carefully. But I would say the bottom line is there's so much money vested in the federal apparatus, in the parties, in the government.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
As I said a minute ago, our economy is dominated by monopolies, but the greatest of all monopolies is the federal monopoly. which oversees and controls all the other monopolies. So it's like, it's really substantially about the money. It's not ideological. It's about the money.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if someone controls the federal government, I mean, at this point, it's the most powerful organization in human history. Like it's kind of hard to, it's kind of hard to fight that. And in the case of Trump, I know the answer there. They raided Mar-a-Lago. They indicted him on bullshit charges. Like, and I felt that in myself too. Even I was like, come on.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I wasn't nervous the whole time I was there. Why would I be?
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
You know, like, whatever you think of Trump. And I agreed with his immigration views. I really like Trump personally. I think he's hilarious and interesting, which he is. But it's like, okay, a lot of people in this country, let's get some, you know, let's have a, at very least, like, let's have a real debate. The second... I messed up your cameras there. Sorry, I'm getting excited. But, um...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
know i'm 54 my kids are grown i believe in god you know i'm not i'm almost never nervous but um no i wasn't nervous i was just interested i mean i couldn't i you know i'm interested in soviet history i studied it in college i've read about it my entire life my dad you know worked in the cold war it was a constant topic of conversation and so to be in the kremlin in a room where stalin made decisions either wartime decisions or decisions about murdering his own population i just i just couldn't get over it we're in molotov's old office
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The second they raided Mar-a-Lago on a documents charge, as someone from DC, I was like, I know a lot about classification and all that stuff and been around it a lot. That's so absurd that I was like, now it's not about Trump. It's about our system continuing.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
If you can take out a presidential candidate on a fake charge, use the justice system to take the guy out of the race, then we don't have a representative democracy anymore. And I think a lot of Republican voters felt that way. If they hadn't indicted him, I'm not sure he would be the nominee. I really don't think he would be.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Or an expression of your desire to keep the system that we had, which is one where voters get to decide. Prosecutors don't get to decide. Look, they told us for four years that Trump was like a super criminal or something. I've actually been friends with some super criminals. I'm a little less judgy than most.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I didn't discount the possibility that he had, I don't know, he's in the real estate business in New York in the 70s. Like, did he kill someone? I don't know. You know, no, I'm not joking. And I'm not for killing people, but like anything's possible.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was like, well, who knows, you know? And I didn't know. And what they came up with was a documents charge? Are you joking? And then the sitting president has the same documents violation, but he's fine. It's like, it's crazy this is happening in front of all of us. And then it becomes like, at that point, it's not about Joe Biden. It's not about Donald Trump.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's about preserving a system which has worked, not perfectly, but pretty freaking well for 250 years. I know you don't like Trump, I get it. Let's not destroy that system. We can handle another four years of Trump. I think we can, so calm down. What we can't handle is a country whose political system is run by the Justice Department, that is just, you're freaking Ecuador at that point, no.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The Chinese. It depends what you mean by powerful. Which one bats above its weight? We know. Which one is- Massage, just to be clear, I guess, is what you- Well, of course, tiny country, very sophisticated intel service. Which one has the greatest global reach in comms? Which one is most able to read your texts? I assume the NSA, but Chinese, well, clearly pretty good. Israelis, pretty good.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Um, the French actually are surprisingly good for kind of a declining country. Their Intel services are pretty, seem pretty impressive. No, I'm, I love France, but you know what I mean? And, and all that. So the, but the question, I mean, I grew up around all that stuff, but that's all totally fine. Like a strong country should have a, a strong and capable Intel service.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So it's policymakers can make informed decisions. Like that's what they're for. And so as Vladimir Putin himself noted, and I don't talk about it very much, but it's true, I applied to the CIA when I was in college, because I was familiar with it because of where I lived and had grown up and everything, and I was like, seemed interesting. That's honestly the only reason.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I was like, live in foreign countries, see history happen, like I'm for that. I applied to the operations directorate. They turned me down on the basis of drug use, actually. True. But anyway, whatever. I was unsuited for it, so I'm glad they turned me down.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But the point is, I didn't see CIA as a threat, partly because I was bathing in propaganda about CIA, and I didn't really understand what it was and didn't want to know. But second, because my impression at the time was it was outwardly focused. It was focused on our enemies. I don't have a problem with that as much.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
The fact that CIA is playing in domestic politics, and actually has for a long time, was involved in the Kennedy assassination, that's not speculation, that's a fact. And I confirm that for someone who had read their documents that are still not public. It's shocking. You can't have that.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And the reason I'm so mad is I really believe in the idea of representative government acknowledging its imperfections, but I should have some say. I live here, I'm a citizen. I pay all your freaking taxes. So the fact that they would be tampering with American democracy is so outrageous to me. And I don't know why Morning Joe is not outraged.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So for me, I was just blown away by that. I thought I knew a lot about Russia. It turns out I knew a lot about the Soviet period, the 1937 purge trials, the famine in Ukraine. I knew a fair amount about that, but I really knew nothing about contemporary Russia, less than I thought I did, it turned out. But yeah, I was just blown away by where we were.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
This parade of dummies, highly credentialed dummies they have on Morning Joe every day, they don't seem to, that doesn't bother them at all. How could that not bother you? Why is only Glenn Greenwald mad about it? I mean, it's confirmed. It's not like a fever dream. It's real. They played in the last election domestically.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And I guess it shows how dumb I am because they've been doing that for many years. I mean, the guy who took out Mosaddegh lived on my street. One of the Roosevelt CIA officer. So, I mean, again, I grew up around this stuff, but... I never really thought I never reached the obvious conclusion, which is that if the U.S.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
government subverts democracy in other countries in the name of democracy, it will over time subvert democracy in my country. Why wouldn't it? That is the corruption is like core. It's at the root of it. The purpose of the CIA was envisioned, at least publicly envisioned, as an intel gathering apparatus for the executive so the president could make wise foreign policy decisions.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
What the hell is happening in country X? I don't know. Let me call the agency in charge of finding out. The point wasn't to freaking guarantee the outcome of elections.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I mean, it's not a topic that I get into a lot because I'm a non-expert. And because I'm not, unlike every other American, I'm not emotionally invested in other countries just in general. I mean, I admire them or not. And I love visiting them. I love Jerusalem, probably my favorite city in the world. But I don't have an emotional attachment to it. So maybe I've got more clarity.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
I don't know, maybe less. Here's my view. I believe in sovereignty, as mentioned, and I think each country has to make decisions based on its own interest, but also with reference to its own capabilities and its own long-term interest. And it's very unwise for, I'm not a huge fan of treaties, Some are fine, too many bad.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
But I think US aid, military aid to Israel and the implied security guarantees, some explicit, but many implied security guarantees of the United States to Israel probably haven't helped Israel that much long-term. It's a rich country with a highly capable population like every other country. It's probably best if it makes its decisions based on what it can do by itself.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I would definitely be concerned if I lived in Israel because I think fair or unfair, and really this is another product of technology, social media, public sentiment in that area is boiling over. And I think it's gonna be hard for some of the governments in the region, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, to contain their own population. They don't want conflict with Israel at all.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
They were all pretty psyched actually for the trend in progress. the Saudi peace deal, which was never signed, but it would have been great for everybody because like trade, peace, normal relations, like that's good. OK, let's just say I know John Bolton doesn't like it, but it's it's good. And it's kind of what we should be looking for, but now it's not possible.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And if you had like a coalition of countries against Israel, I know Israel has nuclear weapons and has a capable military and all that and the backing of the United States, but like you don't, it's a small country. I think I'd be very worried. So there's that. And I don't see any advantage to the United States. I mean, I don't, I think it's important for each country to make its own decisions.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
And that's kind of one of the main drivers at this stage in my life. That's why I do what I do is because I'm interested in stuff. And I want to see as much as I can and try and draw conclusions from it to the extent I can. So I was very much caught up in that. But no, I wasn't nervous. I didn't think he was going to kill me or something. And I'm not particularly afraid of that anyway.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Yeah, well, I think very easily could happen. In fact, probably right after Ramadan, if I had to guess. And yeah, I pray it doesn't. But, again, I don't think you can overstate the lack of wisdom, weakness, short-term thinking of American foreign policy leadership.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
These are the architects of the Iraq War, of the totally pointless destruction of Libya, totally pointless destruction of Syria, and the 20-year occupation of Afghanistan that resulted in a return to the status quo. So, like, of the Vietnam War... Their track record of the Korean War, even going back 80 years, is uninterrupted failures, one after the other.
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
So I just don't have any confidence in those leaders to... When was the last time they improved another country? Can you think of that? Oh, the Marshall Plan. Well, you look at Europe now and you're like, I don't know if that worked. But even if it did work, again, 80 years ago. So when was the last country American foreign policymakers improved? So if I were...
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#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Netanyahu is in a very difficult place, politically impossible. I'm glad I'm not Netanyahu. And I'm not sure he's capable of making wise long-term decisions anyway. But if I was just like an Israeli, I'd be like, I don't know if I want like all this help and guidance.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
Um, so yeah, I actually think it's worse than just having just returned from the middle East and talking to a lot of pretty open-minded sort of pro Israeli Arabs who want stability above all the merchant class always wants stability. So I'm on their side, I guess. And, uh, They're like, man, this could get super ugly, super fast. American leadership is completely absent. It's just all posturing.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
It's like people like Nikki Haley. You just wonder, like, how does an advanced civilization promote someone like Nikki Haley to a position of authority? It's like, what? Shh, adults are talking. Adults are talking. Nikki Haley, please. Like that would be the appropriate response. But everyone's so intimidated to be like, oh, she's a strong woman.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#414 – Tucker Carlson: Putin, Navalny, Trump, CIA, NSA, War, Politics & Freedom
She's so transparently weak and sort of ridiculous and doesn't know anything. And it's just like thinks that jumping up and down and making these absurd blanket statements, repeating bumper stickers is like leadership or something. It's like a self-confident person. advanced society would never allow Nikki Haley to advance. I mean, she's really not impressive. Sorry.
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
Okay, so I've always thought that. And then in January, you know, there was a scramble over who's going to get what jobs in the new administration. And at one point there was someone who was being discussed for a job in the Intel world.
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
And a member of the SSCI, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the Intel Committee, went to the people making the decision and said, you cannot hire this person because this person will be certain to push for the release of the JFK files. So this is in this effect. So this is in 2025.
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
less than two months ago, and you have a sitting member of the United States Senate whose main goal is to keep
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S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
those files secret and then you have to ask yourself why yeah exactly why yeah why were they why were they even alive of course this no one was alive it was 62 years ago and by the way the institution no one could even tell you who the cia director was and who do you remember the name of the cia director john mccone i think 1963 but that person is like completely lost to history except a specialist so
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
And the CIA has already been through 50 years ago, the Church Committee hearings, 1975, where we sort of know they're sassing people, dosing people with acid, all this stuff. It's like the CIA has already been discredited.
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
So if you're telling me that six weeks ago, a member of the United States Senate was trying to keep someone out of a job in order to keep these files secret, that is to protect the CIA, I don't believe that for a second. So wait a minute. Here's the part I don't understand. So who's that person exerting the pressure?
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
That's a great question. It's the only kind I ask. So what I brought to it was the knowledge that a member of the Senate Intel Committee, I'm not guessing, called over and said, you cannot appoint this person. So why don't you expose that person, first of all, so we can start chasing after her. Tom Cotton of Arkansas.
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
Tom Cotton. Yes. Correct. Did you ask him? I haven't. No, I haven't asked him. I'd like to. I'd like to. And. Kind of makes people suspicious of you, by the way.
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
Well, I need to sit down with him. I'm not sure that he'll do an interview with me. With you? I'm waiting.
PBD Podcast
S&P 500 Dives As Trump Hints At Recession | PBD Podcast | Ep. 559
No, no, no. But it's a fair – look, it's a fair question. It's a totally fair question. And the answer is I hadn't thought to do that. And there's a lot going on. And I've been –
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Now, you said early on the point was—and most governors said this—was to flatten the curve, to spread out the infection so our healthcare system didn't collapse. It didn't collapse. It came close, but it didn't. Now, today in your press conference, you gave a different rationale for the lockdown, and you said that you can't foresee normal gatherings continuing—I think it's a quote—for
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He'd also like to eliminate, quote, exclusionary zoning and, quote, needless barriers to producing affordable housing. That means that your neighborhood may have to make way for multifamily dwellings. You don't want multifamily dwellings in your neighborhood? It doesn't matter because it's equity. Shut up, racist. And there's more where that came from.
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Your country has been in the American media sporadically recently, and it's under attack for reasons I don't fully understand. One of the reasons I wanted to come here was to understand why people are mad at you. And I think you've got the biggest overseas U.S. air base right near here. So you're clearly a U.S. ally. Yeah.
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but I keep reading reference to Qatar as anti-American or pro-Islamist or a threat to the United States somehow. Where do those attacks come from, do you think?
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No More Refugees, Trump Said. Except White South Africans.
The country seems to be falling apart. And then President Trump in the past month has basically said the same thing. And it's shocking to a lot of people, I think, how bad it is and just how racist it is.
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Everybody hates the whites and wants them to die.
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The Dan Bongino Show
The Hapless, Goon Democrats Face-Plant At Hegseth’s Hearing (Ep. 2401)
An Intel person told me that this person believed that they were in fact Chinese and that a Chinese satellite went down, was visible to the naked eye. There were news stories about it. It evaporated. It burned up. And this person told me that was taken down by the U.S. government. That was a command and control satellite for these drones.
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The Hapless, Goon Democrats Face-Plant At Hegseth’s Hearing (Ep. 2401)
And the belief was the Chinese government was sending the following message. We're moving on Taiwan and maybe other things. You can't do anything about it.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Like he'll lose before he endorses certain ideas because he just thinks that they're immoral. And that's a normal human reaction. I think that I could say that easily of you and no one would be surprised. But for a politician to have actual principle is unusual.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Very. He's very smart. He's legit smart. He's not pretend smart. He's not Pete Buttigieg smart. I worked at McKinsey and I had sex with a man. I'm a genius. He's like actually smart in the way that intelligence matters. He's got wisdom. And he has powerful analytical skills. You give him a series of arguments and he'll tell you what you're really trying to argue for. Yes.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
So that's the beauty of X is that it's kind of all out there for everyone to see. I mean, and I think it's very obvious from the prose style and just from the way that things actually work. J.D. Vance is actually writing those. I mean, J.D. Vance is sitting. He's a writer.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Well, he is literally a writer, but he's, you can tell when you read them, and I happen to know for a fact, he's sitting there with his iPhone like, what? Bam, he bangs it out. So that's a window into who somebody is. As a former editor, you're a lifelong editor. a person's writing tells you who that person is.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And if you want to know who JD Vance is, he's rational, he's reasonable, he's principled, he's not mean, he's not like going for the, one of my great faults is all of a sudden I'll make fun of Pete Buttigieg's fake gayness. I probably didn't need to say that. Probably could just assess his failures.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
I'm very bitchy, I'll admit it. JD Vance will forego the opportunity to take the cheap shot, unlike me. and will make the principal case. So if you're wondering who J.D. Vance is, read X. And I think even a person who hates his ideas will come away being like, wow, that's a superior guy, because he is. Does Trump like him? Well, that's the amazing thing. Yes. And Trump really likes him.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
By the way, if Trump didn't like him, it would be on the front page of every newspaper. Because the dream... Okay, the main threat... Long term is J.D. Vance. He is the threat to the way things are and to the stakeholders. The threat. Threat. Oh, the threat. He is the threat to the stakeholders who profited from the destruction of the United States. So they want to stop J.D.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Vance, the attacks on him and his wife, which are ignoble and... totally disgusting, are coordinated. They're obviously coordinated attacks. And they're infuriated by what he did to Zelensky. I revere him for what he did to Zelensky. Zelensky is a criminal. He's not the legitimate president of Ukraine. He's not elected. And he has hurt the United States far more than most people understand.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And JD kinda said that, and they hate him for that, because they know he means it, and he's tough. Do you see the debate with Creepo Waltz? It was like an unbelievable, his emotional self-control far surpasses anything I could even aspire to. How do you have that much emotional self-control? How do you look at Tim Walz?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Yeah, so I have, half of that like I'm not insecure at all I have a lot of knowledge but I have the discipline of a pot smoker a teenage pot smoker which I was not anymore but I was I was not the Marine Corps I was like doing the opposite so I am in awe of that it is amazing it's amazing so let me let's dwell on the Zelensky thing for a moment can we play this is a J.D.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
You can't overstate how bad Zelensky has been. And, you know, Zelensky is himself controlled by the oligarch who put him in place, who owned his television show and who made him president and who still controls him. I don't think he even lives in Ukraine. But the point is, Zelensky is himself a kind of victim in the big picture.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
But that Ukrainian government has destroyed Ukraine, has hurt this country immeasurably, and Zelensky is a criminal who's tried to kill a bunch of different people, including people I know. So there's that. He had every right to do that. J.D. did. My read on it is a little bit different. I think that the president really wanted to sign the mineral deal.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And I think that Zelensky had been so coached by whomever, Samantha Power or some stupid Republican senator. before, you know, be tough with Trump. He just misread the room so completely that, right? It's insane. And I think J.D. picked up on that, and I think J.D. sort of changed the trajectory, this is my read on it anyway, of the conversation.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
It was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't talk to the President of the United States like that.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And then it just snowballed in this way. I was in a foreign country at dinner, and at night, and someone pulled it up on their phone, and the whole table was watching this, like our jaws were open, like I can't believe this happened.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
The arrogance of that man to lecture us who are paying the retirement benefits of Ukrainian bureaucrats to lecture us like we haven't done enough. Get out of here, midget.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Of course nicotine is an addictive chemical. That's the whole point.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
But as his successor, someone who understands what Trump believes, the Trump program, Trumpism—
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
You know, I think every Trump is a transformative leader. Trump is, you know, in a lot of ways, the most important president in the last. Well, certainly since Roosevelt in our lifetime. Well, certainly in our lifetime. Yes. And, you know, I think people want to leave a legacy. All of us and great men especially do.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And the only person in the entire Republican Party from my position who's capable of of carrying on the Trump legacy and expanding it, making it what it should fully be is JD Vance. I think his loyalty is without question and his service to Trump has been profound. So I'm assuming that was, you know, just like a phrase that you feel you have to use.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
That's probably right.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
That's exactly right. And there's a lot that will happen between now and then. But the idea, look, the real battle here is between the people who care about the country primarily and people like Nikki Haley who don't care at all about the country, like at all. They don't care at all. They really care about the fortunes of foreign countries. And that's how they're paid, so I get it.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
The pro-America side, I think, is winning. It's a constant battle. It never ends. But I think they will prevail in the end. Because ultimately, a leader is responsible for his people, his nation. That's how he's judged. Yes. And so we'll return to equilibrium. Like Chairman Xi, whatever you say about him, he's got China's interests in mind.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Vladimir Putin, totally obsessed with the fortunes of Russia. You may disagree with what Putin does. You may not like Putin, whatever. He's about what's good for Russia. Our leaders have not been that way. And I think going forward, they probably will be because there's no other way to run a country.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Yeah.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
There's no one else. There's no one else. And I think already, I mean, you know, it's a tough gig for any vice president. This one included. But I think already J.D. Vance has been, as you saw in the clip you displayed, a powerful partner, a subordinate partner, not co-equal partner. He's the vice president, but he has been a powerful partner for Trump.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
I don't I don't see any other at this point as of today, any other conceivable option. I think J.D. Vance will be the nominee.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Yeah, that was totally, it's such a long story, I won't bore you, but I was there recently and we were just walking from one place to another and there's, I saw one of those enormous hats, I was with Elon, And we found out it was like, oh, it was funny. We were wearing them, just joking around. And then we were walking with the president
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
to go do something, and someone's like, let me take a picture. And the next thing you know, I have a strong preference not having my picture taken outside. Especially when you're wearing oversized hats. Especially when I look ridiculous, which is most of the time anyway. So it's not that, but you know.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
He risked his life, yeah.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
I've spent the last two years since I got fired trying to understand what's happening around the world. I used to write a monologue every night. And for the last two years, I haven't, really because I I don't understand it. So I've really taken months and months and months and months and months and traveled around the world to try to see if I can understand it.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And the picture is becoming a little clearer. But I would say this is a really bewildering moment. If you're being honest about it, like we all pretend we know it's this and that. But like, actually, what is this? Like, what is this?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
I don't know. I mean, I don't even know what I'm doing for lunch. I'm not that guy. I don't plan anything. I just follow impulses that I think, I hope, are from God. Yeah. And I make a ton of mistakes, and I'm obviously kind of a ludicrous person in some ways. I don't hide it. But I try not to hide anything.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
But I really have felt for the last couple of years, like, I need deeper understanding of what's happening. Because the world... is resetting completely in ways that we don't perceive here. And I want to understand that because I want to tell people what I think is true. And so does everybody else.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Well, I think we're making some things are happening right now. that we'll see what happens, but. No, I'm entering into a new phase of my life. That's a mysterious way to end the show. Hey, we're sitting in Dan Bongino's studio and he's now the deputy director of the FBI. So like, who knows?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
My wellness routine? Yeah. By the way, if I had a wellness routine, which I take a sauna every day and I use nicotine. That's good. That's it. But a lot of nicotine, a lot of sauna. But if I had a wellness routine, I would never admit it. I would never call it a wellness routine.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
I like I was a big promoter of it and still am. And oh, absolutely. And I'm not that interested in health, but I'm definitely interested in not being poisoned.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Amen. And as someone who travels a lot like this is the greatest country in the world with the worst food. And I don't understand how that happened. Yeah, it's awful. Honestly, it's awful. And it's addictive.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Well, I knew his son and wife, and I really liked his wife. I thought his wife was an outstanding person, and Kathleen Biden. And I thought they were our neighbors, and she was a running partner of my wife's, and I knew them pretty well. And I thought he was troubled. I always liked Hunter Biden.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
I had no idea what was actually going on, but clearly, and I will say one thing I liked about him, I mean, I guess I'll just say it, and no one's spent more time beating up on Hunter Biden than I have, but when I knew Hunter Biden, we're pretty much the same age, maybe you're younger, his mother died when he was little. He lived with his brother and his dad, so the three of them, father, two sons.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
That's how I grew up, actually, and so we had that in common, and it's such a weird way to grow up, we always used to talk about it and we both had like a kind of, you know, there's a lot of downside, but there's also a huge upside. He was very close to his dad. And I always loved that about him.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Um, I think Joe Biden was a pretty bad dad actually, but I do think he loved his sons in his kind of ineffectual, incapable, liberal way. Like he could never say no basically. But so we had that in common, but you know, it was drug. No one wants to hear it, but it was drugs that got him. Drugs are evil. I mean, I've done drugs, I know.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And I've seen a lot of people destroyed by drugs and killed by drugs. Drugs and alcohol are evil. I think that sobriety is the only answer. No one wants to say it. I don't know why no one wants to say that. It's like so forbidden to say sobriety, the way you were born, Somehow bad, but the whole society is like on drugs.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
It's gonna well, but we're encouraged to use drugs That's the thing people give their kids drugs because give them amphetamines Adderall or whatever give them all kinds of garbage because the doctors encourage it now I'm not you know, you're your own master in the end and But the truth is if you're on drugs, it changes you completely. And Hunter Biden was like a pretty reasonable guy.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
He's like scamming off his dad's name and doing shady deals in Ukraine. So by the way, it was the whole freaking city of DC and everybody I knew. That's just a fact. And now that I've left and I don't, I don't work for anybody, I'll just be honest, I don't care. That's a fact. That city is deeply, deeply corrupt.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
So it does bug me a little bit, all the focus on Hunter Biden, who I've attacked a lot, you think he's the only one? The whole city is that. That's what they do. That's why they're the richest city in the country. They don't make anything. They steal your tax dollars and they do it in these kind of weird money laundering loops through other countries.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And that's why every CIA person I've ever known is rich. Well, how did you get rich? It's the CIA. But they're all that way.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Well, Hunter Biden, like, told a mutual friend of mine recently that I was a Nazi. Did he really? I'm a Nazi. Oh, yeah, no, he hates me. But, you know, he's the kind of person who blames everybody but himself. Like, all drug addicts. Like, they all— The core problem with drugs and alcohol is they exacerbate your narcissism. It's always someone else's fault.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Your whole life is organized around hiding from anxiety or pain, and you're willing to dick over everyone in your entire life in service of your addiction. That's narcissism. And so they can never take responsibility for anything. That's what I hate about them. And he's a prime example.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Well, you get possessed by demons, and if you assess some of what's on his laptop, it's not in any way fun. He's torturing himself to death and using other people like objects, which are markers for evil. Of course, that's what evil is, is not treating other people like they have souls. So there's there's a lot there.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
But bottom line, Hunter Biden, in addition to being a metaphor for the corruption of the Biden family, was also a human being who I knew. And I can just tell you, having known him, that he was destroyed by drug use.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Bitch and dumb. Hunter hated her. A lot of the family hated her. She's very good-looking, actually. I don't know if it's clear now, but as a younger woman, she's very, very unusually pretty. Yeah. And, you know, kind of second wife, right? Left her husband to be with Joe Biden. Like, I'm not judging, but that's just a fact. But kind of like the second wife out of a movie, actually.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Like, mean, shallow... Totally. A friend of mine showed up at their house once wearing the same dress for an event at their house, whatever, dinner at their house, small dinner at their house at the vice president's residence, wearing the same, happened to be wearing the same dress as a woman that Jill Biden was wearing, and Jill couldn't get over it the whole night. She was like outraged.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
She was like outraged. She's just, like, a shallow consumerist, like, idiot who's wound up with some kind of power and, like, calls herself doctor when having read her doctoral dissertation. It's, like, subliterate. Yeah. It's actually, you should read it. It's online. It's, like, how could this person even get a driver's license? She's so stupid. The education doctorate.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Yeah, it was a dissertation on community colleges in the state of Delaware. The best was twice. I read the whole thing. Twice in it, it was something like this. She goes, the demographic breakdown of the community college system in Delaware is as follows. It's 30% white, it's 40% African-American, it's 42% Hispanic, and it's 19% Asian.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
And you're like, honey, I don't think that's even close to a hundred percent.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
She's like an idiot, but that's fine. A lot of my dogs are dumb and I love them. There are a lot of good hearted dumb people in the world. She was like a nasty dumb person. And by the way, I know since I know them, his sister complained. Val complained is a fact. in 2019 that he should not be running for president because he's got cognitive Parkinson's or whatever.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
He had a cognitive decline and it's mean. And Jill was pushing it and Jill was saying he needs to do this to work out his grief from Bo's death. And and to be fair, nobody expected him to become the nominee. And it was only because Pete Buttigieg was so only like Democratic donors thought, like an incompetent gay guy who may not actually be gay, who worked for McKinsey.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
No, he was dating girls until like right before he decided like, wait, I'm gay now. So he picked it up as a, I don't know if it's an affectation or what, but he was dating women like right before. True. That's a fact. It's like documented. I'd love to interview that. So I had a gay guy on my staff. I was like, he's not even gay. And I was like, really? Oh, so the gay guys don't think he's gay.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Gay guys are deeply suspicious of his commitment to homosexuality, yes. But the point is, for someone like Pete Buttigieg, who's just like a raw careerist, it doesn't even matter. It's a merit badge, like, oh, sodomy, okay. I worked at McKinsey, I went to Harvard, now it's sodomy.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
That's 100% right! And like the geniuses at the DNC are like, okay, people are gonna love it, okay. So he's white. But he's gay!
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
So I've always, he's never agreed to an interview with me, but I've always wanted to ask, like, okay, so you're sleeping with these women. And then you decide to be gay. How gay are you? How deep is your commitment to gayness? Just in a perfect world, would you hook up with a girl again? So are you really gay? Were you born that way?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
But he was the great gay hope for the Democratic Party. And when voters, Democratic primary voters rejected him, they're like, oh shit, we can get Bernie, who's a fraud, but he is saying some pretty nasty things about the banks. Can't have that. Can't have, they'll kill you for that.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
So obviously it can't be Bernie because maybe if he's 20 percent serious about disliking billionaires, like we're going to have to murder him. So, hey, is there anyone else? Joe Biden, he can like pose as like a moderate working class white guy. Let's get him. Yeah, that's literally what happened.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
I was just impressed by him.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on the Biden Family, JD Vance's future and more, Pt. 2 | Episode 2
Because he's sincere and he's thought it through and he's not afraid. He rises to the occasion, but he actually believes something. He's not kidding. I don't think you could pay JD Vance to say certain things. He's a politician working in politics. So of course, you know, he's subject to pressures, but fundamentally on the things he really believes, he's just not going to say it doesn't matter.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
How did this arise here, there, and nine other places at the same time? Nobody knows. We can't find out who murdered the United States president 62 years ago. And so the net effect of all of this is to destroy any hope of actual representative democracy, for one thing, and for another to make the entire population like kind of third world in it thinking.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Like, you get to magical thinking really quick. If you don't understand how anything works, and nobody will tell you, and everything is shrouded behind the veil of secrecy for your own good, it's all a lie, then you just start to think that everything's a conspiracy. So I would say, and Donald Trump, when he was running for office, said, let's just declassify it all.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
We toasted you at dinner last night, and my wife, who loves you, as you know, said, oh, Vince has earned it. I thought, that's totally true. One of the smartest people in all of media, and it's just a thrill to see this.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Let's declassify every 9-11 document. The fact that people think that the US government was behind 9-11 is really distressing. Maybe the US government was behind on it. I literally have no idea because it's all classified. Why is it still classified? Almost 25 years later, like what's the actual reason? Don't give me the bullshit answer.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
What's the actual reason and why is the Kennedy assassination still a question mark? It was our president elected by our population and someone murdered him and you still won't tell us everything you know?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
So like- They fired their own science writer for saying that, by the way.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yeah. The New York Times is irrelevant or could be irrelevant very quickly if we would just declassify this stuff on a thing I call the internet. Which is like an interconnected group of computers to which all of us have access. You could just put the documents on the internet and stop lying to me about how we're protecting 60 year old nuclear codes or something. The whole thing is a lie.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I want the 9-11 documents more than all. 9-11 changed this country more than anything in my lifetime. I was there for it. I had a friend who died in it. I immediately went to the Middle East to cover the aftermath of it. all of us who are, I'm 55, my age, have some sort of stake in that event, and all of us, of course, have been living with the aftermath ever since.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Totally changed American society. And every time I bring this up, everyone looks uncomfortable, like, oh, you can't declassify 9-11, but we hate the truthers or whatever. Well, there's a really simple fix for that. Put all of it out there. Take your lumps. There is no operational reason. There's no actual critical national security reason to keep this stuff classified.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Protect? They just let in 15 million people illegally. And they're still here. So don't give me the lecture about protecting me. I'm totally sick of that. I'm an adult man. I don't have to listen to that crap anymore. Just declassify the 9-11 files. If you think these people are conspiracy theorists, then humiliate them with the truth.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Oh, is he a threat to the rice bowl a little bit?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Well, he's a Democrat, so he was always a victim or always thought of himself as a victim. I mean, no self-respecting adult man is going to be a Democrat in 2025 unless he sees himself as a victim, unless there's like self-hatred at the core, which obviously there is. So, you know, I don't believe in vandalism. I'm against
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
hurting property or hurting other people, especially ones you don't know, but like. It is funny, though. It's hard to feel too bad. It's hilarious, though. They're attacking each other.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I thought I was working toward a brighter future by buying a vehicle I know nothing about whose batteries actually cause more greenhouse gas emissions than eight diesel trucks, but I didn't know that because I'm stupid.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
With a bunch of parts made in China, Mexico, Canada. But whatever. It's fine. I drive a Chevy Silverado. I like Chevy trucks. In fact, that's all I drive. But you didn't make your identity electric vehicles. You know, Mark Kelly, I don't think you're allowed to criticize him because he was like went to Mars or something. He's like an astronaut or something. It's like so absurd.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
But you wonder how many UAW workers like agree with him on the issues. Probably around zero.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yeah, probably around zero. The whole thing, it's just like it's such like sad, empty posturing, but it's also pretty bad. to make your guiding principle opposing anything somebody else does. You should have principles that are independent of people and their behavior, especially mercurial people whose behavior changes, like the president, who I love.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
But if everything that Trump does defines everything that you hate, whatever Trump's for, I'm against. then you're a child and you shouldn't have power. That has no, that is not leadership. That's just sad.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Ratings.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Ratings are, in Trump's view, and I think there's some truth to it, ratings are the most reliable poll because they're not measuring intent. A pollster will ask you, Vince, who are you gonna vote for in November? And you'd be like, well, I think I'm gonna do this or do that, but who knows if you will. Ratings measure what you just did. They're measuring an action.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
It's incredible. And I will say of AOC, I mean, obviously, she'd put me in a camp if she could. I'm not a fan or whatever, but she's good looking. And she has innate performance talent. which is based on her total lack of shame or self-awareness. And I'm not criticizing her at all. I mean, I worked in television. Those are key qualities. Yeah, for sure. But no, she has talent.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I look at her and I'm like, yeah, I'd hire her for a show, actually. The rest of them are just losers. I mean, I think she's like a deranged person, but the rest of them are just like such losers and freaks. Also a Tesla owner. Like that weird guy they put up as VP, the VP candidate.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Haley Caranello. Whatever, the stripper lady. And everyone's like trying to make Trump into some kind of weirdo. But then you see Trump and you're like, he's not a weirdo. He's pretty transparent. I know exactly who he is. That Tim Walz guy, he was the perfect distillation. Like, okay, we need to find a white man who's voting for Carmella Harris.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And they're like, no white men are voting for Carmella Harris because how could you hate yourself that much? It's really hard. And so they find this guy who's just like, all your spidey senses go off and you're like, I don't know what you're into. I don't want it in my house. Like, you freak me out. Every time I looked at that guy, ugh.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Big time. The girls say that he gives me the ick. Yep. And women know. They know. And I know Instagram told them to vote for that guy. But, man, if he led a Boy Scout troop in my town, I would call the sheriff. I would lead a raid.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
They should come back. You need a two-party state. You need... you need the tension just like in a marriage, you know, it's like your wife wants something slightly different from what you want.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And hopefully you're moving toward the same goal, which is a happy, prosperous family and healthy, independent kids and all that, you know, all the good things. But there is always that tension in the marriage because you're so different as a man and a woman and they have different priorities. And so through that, comes a better solution. I think that's true.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And so you don't want a one party state. I don't care if it's my party, you don't want that. And they will come back, but it's going to require a lot more than they want to give. They're totally controlled by donors, as unfortunately the Republicans tend to be as well. Everyone's controlled by donors in this country now. That's the age of the oligarch.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
They're gonna need someone who's like, you know what, the tranny stuff is really bad. Okay. I'm against the tranny stuff. Abortion is not a sacrament. Okay, maybe we're for legalized abortion, but the more abortions you have, that's not gonna get you to heaven. Like, we have to stop worshiping it. Human sacrament, like, abortion's just sad, okay? At very least, someone's gonna have to say that.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
You can't have a party based on castration and killing babies. Like, that's like some sort of Canaanite religion at that point. And most people are like, no, no.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
appointee. I mean, he was a W. appointee, wasn't he?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
No, but he was appointed by W., who is like a left-wing Democrat at this point, big time, huge abortion guy. His girls are out campaigning for Planned Parenthood. Like if one of your daughters is like, I'm gonna go door to door for Planned Parenthood, you'd be like, oh no. No, we're not doing that. Like what? There's a death cult knocking on the door?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
If your daughters are campaigning for Planned Parenthood, You're a bad father. You messed up.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
What's awaiting them there, Vince?
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Can you guys read something to you that's just related?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
So I'm getting, it's your show, but I cannot resist it.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I'm getting our morning note that we put out every morning, which is written by my beloved nephew, Marshall Worth, who's like a genius. Here's the headline. You could have written this. By the way, Vince is the best headline writer I've ever met in my whole life, and I spent my whole life writing headline writers. You are the very best. This is pretty good.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Ivy League Human Rights Fellow Convicted for Having a Slave. A British jury recently convicted Columbia University human rights fellow Lydia Mugabe of forcing a Ugandan woman into domestic servitude. She committed the crime after luring her future slave into Britain under false pretenses.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Mugabe, who also serves as a United Nations judge, brought the victim to Britain under the guise of securing her a job before forcing her to labor away as an unpaid maid and nanny. She confiscated her slave's passport and visa, leaving her trapped. So a human rights fellow is a slave owner.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I'm stealing that.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Helicopters hovering above. What's happening in El Salvador is one of the most interesting developments of my lifetime. I've been in El Salvador four times. I first went there in the 80s during the Civil War. I was there before Bukele during the period when the gangs controlled the country, and I've been there twice since he's taken over.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And I don't think any country has ever been transformed as quickly as El Salvador has been under Bukele. And he began, he's done a lot of things, but basically he broke the gangs. And what it took to do that is remarkable. It was not simple at all. I've been to that prison that you just saw. I know. I don't think it's inhumane, but it's really tough, like for real.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
But he takes it serious. Look, there's a lot here. This is like an hours-long conversation, but I would say he takes it seriously. So, for example, they put gang members in prison in this country, in El Salvador. Here's you going to the prison. Oh, that's me? Yeah, this is when you went to El Salvador. Oh, I totally forgot about that.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yeah, but look, the key thing about gang leaders, criminal enterprise leaders in prison is they continue to run their operations, right? Yeah. And they do it by cell phone. And that's, you know, in the United States, there's a prisoner TikTok. You can look it up.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
One of my kids was telling me about it, showed me some, where prisoners are in prison making videos on their cell phones and uploading them onto the internet. That should be Like, that seems like an easy problem to fix, but no one's bothered to fix it in this country. In Salvador, they have signal blockers around the prison. There are no cell signals possible.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
It doesn't matter how many cell phones you have, they don't work. So they cannot control their businesses from prison. They are truly isolated. And there's a lot else there. But bottom line... even if you're kind of liberal about imprisoning people, I'm very liberal about imprisoning people.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I don't think we should, I'd rather be executed than imprisoned because I just don't believe in separating people from nature. You know, I really feel that. But whatever, no matter where you are, that works. That works. That went from the most dangerous country in the world to the safest country in the world. Really simple. Very quickly. In like three years. Yeah.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Someone texted me about it when it happened, and I didn't believe it, and I texted Dan immediately. This is true, yes. And I was filled with gratitude, and I wasn't even going to say this because no one will believe this at all, but having spent my life in Washington, my dad ran a federal agency, I know what that life is.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And, you know, so many lives were saved. That's the first thing. And the second thing I would say is there's a religious, not just component, a religious driver to this. MS-13, and there are a couple of different organized criminal gangs in Salvador and throughout Latin America, are religious organizations that worship Satan. That's not my, I'm not an evangelical for the record.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
That's their own description. And I went to one of their shrines. You know, where they sacrifice. I mean, one of the reasons that there's been so much, not just killing in Mexico and Honduras and Guatemala and all those countries, not just killing, but torture, slow killing. We don't just, you know, shoot someone. Like the mafia would just like shoot you and then, you know, throw you in the bay.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
In Latin America, they torture you over a period of days. The torture is the point. The suffering is the point. This is an offering in the same way their ancestors tortured and killed in offerings to their gods. And they turn your carcass into a display. Much like the Incas did, and the Aztecs did, and the Mayas did. So this is regionally consistent. It's just a fact.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I love Latin America, and I love Latin Americans. I'm not attacking anybody. I'm just saying this is true. This is the indigenous religion, and it's continuing. And you don't want it here, because it's one thing to take down the Giancana's or whatever, it's much harder to fight a religious cult that has high-tech weapons systems. For sure.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yes. He's the Simon Bolivar of our time.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
He came and stayed with me. I was just, I'm interested in Latin America. I think it's really important we're in America. That's Latin America. It's right there. It's our neighbor. Yeah.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I'm not in, I love Jerusalem, as I said, I love many parts of the Middle East, I've been all over the Middle East and I love it, but it's not next to me, and my family's from here for 400 years, so I care about what's happening right next door, and I think all Americans should, and we've sort of helped destroy Latin America.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And then now spending the rest of my life in media, he is really giving up a lot. He knows that. No one will believe this. They all think it's about the power. It's not about the power, obviously. It's about his desire to help the country. And I, again, even if nobody else agrees, I know in my heart for a fact this is a patriotic sacrifice that he's making. And I am
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
It is true, it's a leftist talking point, but it's also accurate that the United States has been instrumental in destabilizing that whole region, but they have pre-existing problems, and the main problem they have is this dark, religion that is all over the region. It's all over the region. Witchcraft, voodoo, Santeria, whatever you call it, human sacrifice, that has never died.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And we need to be honest about it. It's not an attack on anybody. It's not racism to note. that people's religion is devil worship and it entails human sacrifice. And that is just, there are a lot of people who are adherents to that religion and we should just say it.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Can I say something? I probably shouldn't say it, but I just think I was noticing it. Bukele is an authoritarian leader. Just saying that. He's my friend, I love Bukele, but he's an authoritarian leader.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
He is also democratically elected by the highest margin of any elected leader in the world. So he's the most popular elected leader, but he's also authoritarian. He is a right-wing leader. He's not a dictator, he's elected, but he's an authoritarian. Right-wing authoritarianism is very popular, and it always has been popular.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
You know, bigotry, Nazi shit where you're like killing Jews or whatever is disgusting. And everyone hates that. Everyone should hate that. I hate that. But, you know, nationalism, hardcore, like, we're serious. We're going to protect our country. And anyone who threatens our country is in trouble. That is very popular. And we have spent decades hearing how that's not popular, how it's immoral.
The Dan Bongino Show
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I'm so impressed by what he's done. Also, the specific job sounds very good.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
It's popular. Left-wing authoritarianism is not popular. and never has been, because it's contrary to human nature, and it's contrary to God, it's anti-God, and people are inherently aware that God exists, and if you pretend you're God, you're a pretender. So anyway, Bukele is like a very powerful model for how the world is going. What we're doing is not working.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I want democracy, I love democracy, free speech is the most important thing to me, I'm not calling for, I wanna preserve that. But I also think globally, Bukele, There are going to be a lot more leaders like Kelly. It's just a fact there are.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
But that is, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, there's so much disorder because of the left. So you can never defeat crime in this country, which is like truly out of control. And I wish we'd stop talking about the mullahs getting the bomb. Oh, shut up. Pakistan's had the bomb for 25 years. Are you upset about that? I don't want Iran to get a bomb. Nobody does.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
But that's not our most pressing problem. Our most pressing problem is in midtown Manhattan. Like, this is insane. This is our country. The Ayatollahs getting the bomb. Again, please shut up. Stop, stop. There are a million problems in the world. Let's start with ours. And to fix ours is going to take resolve, like real resolve. Like we're not putting up with this crap, period.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And I don't know who, at some point someone's gonna take that posture and that will be the most popular president this country's ever had. How do you describe the Biden presidency, then? Totally confusing. I mean, I'm from D.C. I spent my whole life there. I know a lot of the Biden people. I shared a backyard with Susan Rice for five years. I feel like I kind of am from that world.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
It was technocratic fascism. I mean, I guess I could probably think of a... a more descriptive label, but I would say its orientation was really simple. All the big decisions led to the same place, which was to destroy the United States of America and its legacy population. And so they were famously anti-white. They hated white people. They said it a million times.
The Dan Bongino Show
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White supremacy is the biggest threat. But what are they really saying? They're saying America as it is now is bad and we're going to destroy it. And they did everything they could to abet the deaths of hundreds of thousands of legacy Americans through drug ODs, suicide, diabetes, like everything they did was aimed at killing the people whose ancestors lived here during the Civil War. Just a fact.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Look at the numbers. And as I heard someone say the other day, the point of a system is its effect. So it's like whatever you claim your motive is is kind of irrelevant to me. I'm looking at the effects of what you do. That's the point. You can say that's not your motive, but if you keep doing it, it is your motive.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Right.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Forcing everyone to take the COVID vax when you're pretty sure it's going to cause fertility declines? Like what? You're trying to thin out the population of the existing population. of the country as it existed when you took office.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
But openly hating it, and the people who live here. I just go back, I really believe the essential criterion for leadership is the love of the people you lead. You have to have that, and if you don't, they'll die. And you're the son of a Marine Corps officer, Marine Corps general, so you grew up with this. The officer has to, on some level, love his troops more than himself.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yes, and your enemies are in the building. And they know, I mean, everyone knows Bongino, and they know what he's like. And they're afraid. The wrongdoers are a million great FBI agents, I am sure. A lot of bad ones. A lot of bad ones. And they're smart. And these are formidable opponents. And there are a million ways to entangle you in a bureaucracy that big and to hurt you.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
That's how you have to feel about your children or they will be destroyed. You have to be willing to give up your life for the people you lead or else don't lead. That's right. And meanwhile, the left resents the governed. They resent them. They hated them. They hate the system. They died under, look at the suicide rate. What does that tell you?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
If I'm, you know, if my kids start killing themselves, I'm like, wait a second. Yeah. There's nothing more pressing for me. Everyone ignored the suicide rate. And then they're like, you know what we need? We need more suicide. Maybe the government will sponsor suicide. Killing our own citizens. Yes. And then it happens in Canada.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And our biggest trading partner, our longest shared border, and no one says a word about it.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
They're murdering thousands of native-born Canadians every year. the government is murdering them, not just for, you know, chronic, you know, not just for terminal diagnoses, but for chronic illnesses and then depression and then poverty, just kill them. And that's like, look, all that matters are the big things. Are people living? Are they dying? Are they thriving or are they falling apart?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Are they enhanced or are they diminished? And by all those measurements, He wrecked our country.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Well, I have no idea. I mean, I think that this has actually been litigated. Auto pens have been, I mean, they're a staple in Washington. I was an intern in a senator's office 40 years ago when everything was by auto pen. I don't know what the law is there. You would think someone would bother to sign a pardon. Doesn't it require cognition, though? Well, that's the deeper question.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And I hope that they, the Trump White House, God bless them, continues to press this issue because nobody has gotten to the bottom of the core question, which is who's running the government for four years at a time when we made, when we started a war in Eastern Europe.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
It's quite a progression. You know, there's all these famous photo montages of presidents before and after, but that's like the most amazing, you know, usually they're grayer or whatever, but That one, too. Can you pan to the left to the first Trump term? Look how cheerful he is. He's like, here I am. I can't believe I won. This is so awesome. Yeah. There you go.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Eight years later, it's like he knows what's up. Yes. He's been briefed on how things actually work.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And so, yeah, I mean, he could use our prayers. That's a job.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Just making everybody paranoid. It's shaking any remaining faith we had in our institutions. It's really this kind of secrecy is wrecking the country. And lack of accountability. It's like no one is ever punished, no one in authority is ever punished for anything. It doesn't matter what they do. It doesn't matter the level of malice they display. It doesn't matter the level of incompetence.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
They're never punished. They never lose their pensions. They're never brought down a rank. They never go to jail. Who ran the Biden White House? Who made these decisions? We'll probably never know. That fact alone makes you feel like the whole system is fake. Why even vote, right?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Let's go. The clock is ticking. That Epstein stuff I'm not telling you anything everyone doesn't already know, but that was bad. That was bad, and I do think, you know, it's super complicated to get control of something as large, the largest human organization in history, the federal government. On the other hand, Epstein documents, there are millions of Epstein documents. It's the Epstein videos.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Like, let's be real here. It's the Epstein videos. And everyone kind of knows that we're not going to get to see those because that operation.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I think it's pretty clear. I think any honest person reviewing all the evidence, and I have, it's like the one topic I know a lot about, surrounding his death would conclude it was a murder. He was murdered. So he's murdered in the most secure unit in the federal detention center in Manhattan. Yes. How in the world could that happen?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Now, Attorney General Barr, who was President Trump's Attorney General for part of his first term, was supposed to initiate an investigation into this, and he didn't. Where's the investigation? Why can't we get any answers about Epstein's death, which was clearly a murder?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I've talked to the people Epstein was on the phone with hours before he died. He thought he was getting out of jail. I talked to his lawyer about it, his brother. Anyway, let's start there. How did Epstein die? Who has the power to murder someone in a federal detention facility and then cover it up? Like, what is that, actually?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Oh, bless you, Vincent. Congratulations. This is so cool.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Thank you. And thank you.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yes, and he's almost constitutionally unable to deal with too much lying. It makes him mad. And I love that about him. His BS meter is in him, and it goes off with a loud siren. I don't think Dan could even handle sitting and staring at the camera and telling you some elaborate lie. I don't think he could do it. Again, this all makes him a great threat to the wrongdoers within that bureau.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And there are a lot of them. And so, I mean, wow.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Of course.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And ladies who pray outside abortion clinics and other threats to national security.
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Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yeah.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Of course.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
They do, and there are a couple pretty big unaddressed problems that threaten the security of the country, the physical safety of the country. One of them, the biggest are the Mexican drug cartels, which have become far more powerful in the United States over the past four years. I think there's some evidence they have some great control of the state of Arizona, for example.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
They're all over Texas, for example, New Mexico, all the border states, particularly Arizona. And, I mean, these are not just, this is not like the mafia, this is not La Cosa Nostra where they're like, you know, loan sharking and selling heroin and moving pornography, but basically just kind of fighting with each other. That's bad. The FBI spent decades dismantling that network.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
These are people who are active Satanists, for one thing, who kill people for the pure pleasure of killing people. Who've murdered hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans over the past 20 years. and who have military hardware, some of it from Ukraine, sold by the Ukrainian military, that is equivalent to an army.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And they completely control Mexico, except for Mexico City, which I guess the president sort of controls, but the rest of the country is controlled by the drug cartels. That could happen here. I think there's some indication that it is happening. I don't think there's any bigger priority than that. And it was ignored by the Biden administration.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Yes.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
That's correct.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Correct.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And China, you know, is 10,000 miles away. Mexico is right there. I mean, a bunch of Saudis used Afghanistan as the staging ground for terror attacks on the United States, and we invaded Afghanistan. I'm not saying we should invade Mexico. We shouldn't. On the other hand, we should remember that the closer a threat is physically, geography really matters, even in the age of the internet.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And the closer the threat is physically, the greater the threat it is. So we're not going to be invaded by China, actually. But we can certainly be destroyed by Mexico. And the Mexican government, to whatever extent, is participating in this as an enemy of the United States. But the country itself is a grave threat. That's not an attack on Mexicans. Everyone likes Mexicans.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
No one doesn't like Mexicans. They're the nicest people in the world. But the country itself is the number one threat to the United States. Sorry, it's not Iran. It's absurd. It's not the Houthis. Absurd. Iran and the Houthis pose no actual threat to the United States. How many Americans have been killed by Iran or the Houthis in the US in the last 20 years? Right around zero.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
How many Americans have been killed by drugs or people coming up through Mexico in the last 20 years? Hundreds of thousands. So like millions, actually. So stop. Stop lying to me about what the priority is. The priority is stopping the murder and degradation of Americans, and that's coming from Mexico. Right.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I don't think we have a track record of successful invasion or occupation. We have a pretty good track record of killing the leaders of governments, but that's easy. That's just a kind of vandalism. It's easy to kill people. It's very hard to occupy a country who... that's not yours.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
The first thing we should do is make sure that no elected officials in the United States are taking cartel money. That's the number one thing we should do. And we've got these elaborate, throughout a bunch of different federal agencies, including the FBI, money laundering
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
interdiction operations, where you can't even withdraw large amounts of cash from the bank without getting invasive questions or getting hassled. Why is that? It's the name of, we're gonna stop money laundering. And this arose with a bunch of these horrible laws after 9-11. But the idea was to stop money laundering.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Okay, it was to track the movement of money between countries to keep America safe. Well, there was a lot of money flowing from the drug cartels into the United States, and where is it going, and how many elected officials are taking that cash? That's the first thing. You don't want your political system controlled by cartels. Mexico's political system is controlled by cartels.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Therefore, you can't beat the cartels, because the people in charge, putatively in charge, not actually in charge, but the puppets who occupy the elected offices are taking cartel money, and the journalists, and the clergy, the penetration is full, it's complete. You don't want that here. We will never recover from that, and we're moving toward that, and no one's saying that out loud.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
And by the way, there are Mexicans on both sides. There are people of Mexican ancestry.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Exactly. And some are living in peace and harmony and safety, and others are living in Hobbesian chaos. So the system matters. Corruption, it's not simply like, you know, paying the DMV lady to get your driver's license faster. Once it gets in your system, this has happened in Ukraine, it's very hard to get it out. It changes people's expectations about their relationship with government.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Everything changes. Everything rots. And the cartel money, this is hundreds of billions of dollars annually. And so that money will rot our country, and we need to keep track of it. And also we need to figure out, like, where did they get all these weapons systems? I mean, a lot of them came from Ukraine. Again, no one wants to say that for some reason, but it's a fact.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
We paid for the weapons systems that the cartels have. Sorry.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
Well, you know, because you're from a military family. And we're in a critical position with armaments now. I mean, the US military's main supplier of propellant, of gunpowder in Virginia, caught fire 10 days ago and is going to be offline for four months. World War II era facility that for some reason we're dependent on. The whole thing is bizarre.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
The internal supply chains with armaments are very weird. No one thought to build more ammo plants?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
That's exactly right. But the biggest is in Virginia. And for some reason, it caught fire. about two weeks ago and the official, it got no coverage whatsoever, but the official explanation was, well, it's really old and ammo plants catch fire, really? Along with all the poultry plants and all these other critical, manufacturing facilities that we need to, like, live, and they're all burning down?
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I mean, maybe it's all an accident, you know? I don't think so.
The Dan Bongino Show
Tucker Carlson on Deportations, Epstein Files & Dictators - Pt. 1 | Episode 1
I think you're making me paranoid even saying all this out loud. Of course, I'm aware of everything you just said. But the more you think about it, it's corrosive of people's attitudes toward their own country, actually. And the root problem here is secrecy. We live in a country where the essential things are all shrouded in secrecy, like who's running the government? No one has any idea.
The Dan Bongino Show
The Tragic Consequences Of DEI (Ep. 2413)
A biographical questionnaire whose purpose was not hiring skilled controllers. In fact, the more skills you had, the fewer points you got, perversely. But instead, the point was ensuring the hiring of people who were of the right race. It was insane, of course, dangerous, yes, and it sparked a major reaction.
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The Tragic Consequences Of DEI (Ep. 2413)
Now, the Department of Transportation says it is ready to revise those policies in the name of public safety. Stephen Bradbury is the general counsel of the Department of Transportation, and he joins us tonight. Mr. Bradbury, thanks for coming on.
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The Tragic Consequences Of DEI (Ep. 2413)
So it was a pretty simple story, and I think the fix is pretty simple. Can you assure our viewers that air traffic controllers will be hired solely on the basis of relevant criteria? In other words, how good they are at air traffic controlling and not on the basis of a relevant criteria like their appearance.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I share a lot of the concerns he's articulated about health and the environment. I really care about the environment. I think climate change is not human-caused. I disagree on that. I think that's ridiculous, actually. Climate is changing, but we're not doing it. But I'm very concerned about the quality of the air and water and the soil. Very concerned. I think we all should be.
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And the more you know, the more you are concerned. I'm really concerned by some of the drugs people put in their bodies. As a 22-year-long sober person, I really love sobriety. I went to an AA meeting recently with Bobby Kennedy, had the best time ever. And I'm a sportsman. I love hunting and fishing, and so does he. So we have just a lot in common personally.
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And that's the basis of our friendship and of my affection for him. On the political question, I've already said I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I really don't. But this is my one insight, which I do think is true, is I have no idea if he does endorse Trump. And these are two big personalities, so I'll kind of believe it when I see it.
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But if that happens tomorrow, I think it'll help Trump probably. I don't really know. But I know for a fact that Bobby running third party would hurt Trump. because there is a big overlap in their voters. And it's not on all the issues. They disagree on a bunch of issues.
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But anyone who thinks the current system is corrupt is not voting for Kamala Harris, because she is, of course, the physical embodiment of corruption. And so you're voting for Bobby Kennedy or Donald Trump. That's the bottom line. And so I think if he stayed in the race, it would definitely hurt Trump. That's my analysis for what it's worth.
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Yes, I think that's right. And there's a whole kind of demographic in this country that's meaningful in numbers. And it's non-liberal nature people, kind of old-fashioned hippie types. They're not all into neoliberalism, actually. A lot of them still believe in civil liberties. They appreciate nature. They don't want to see it despoiled with chemicals.
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They don't think Monsanto is like a great company necessarily. And they look at Kamala Harris and... who's not even a real person. I mean, it could be anybody, but they look at that machine financed by the banks and pharma, and they think to themselves, you know, I don't have anything in common with these people. And they maybe look at Trump and they're like, who's that guy? He's weird.
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I don't like him either. But there are a lot of like right wing hippies, actually, particularly in rural areas. They have guns. They live in rural areas. Of course, they use guns. And so I think those are all potential Trump voters. There are some style problems that turn them off to Trump, but they're definitely not on the side of like BlackRock.
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at all and bobby kennedy and i live near a lot of people like this i share a lot of their views so i i'm very familiar with this demographic and i think that bobby kennedy is a is a pretty good way in to voting for trump for them he has credibility with them and for good reason
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No, I mean, if I'm being honest, I come from a family like that. Like, what's in your toothpaste? What's in your deodorant? I mean, I, you know, I'm 55. I grew up in California in the 70s where people were really concerned about this stuff. A lot of them were kind of dippy liberal people. people that we made fun of. And, you know, I still make fun of them.
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On the other hand, those concerns turned out to be absolutely real. And if you look at the rates of chronic illness in this country, I mean, it's destroying the country. And I had a conversation last week with a woman called Casey Means, who's a physician.
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Callie's sister, Callie's a friend of mine and a wonderful guy, a wonderful guy. But his sister is one of the most powerful people I've ever interviewed in my, you know, in 33 years of interviewing people. I've met very few people like Casey Means. First of all, she has the credibility, the authority. She's top of her class at Stanford Medical School.
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She's a surgeon, okay, which is the highest level of medicine, obviously. And she left it all because she thought the system was so corrupt. But the compelling part of the interview for me was just the litany of health statistics that she threw out there. And the country's actually dying. And I sense that.
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I've read about it before, but I've never seen those stats collected in one place in the way that she did. And it's an emergency. It's an emergency that I would say supersedes all other emergencies. Sperm counts are down to zero in a lot of men. Like you can't continue the species. So what is causing this is the obvious question.
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Autism rates out of control to a much higher level than I ever realized. And so for all the people who said, you know, how dare you speculate about what causes autism? Okay, I don't know what causes autism. I will freely concede that. But something is causing autism, actually. It's not just that the measurements have changed and we're counting autism cases.
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Like, no, no, the absolute number of autism cases is to an emergency level. And that's true for a lot of chronic conditions. And nobody cares. And so I'm just saying as a political matter, there are a lot of people who care. And we put that interview up the other day. It's kind of an obscure topic. It has nothing to do with the election or the Ukraine war or inflation.
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And the response that we got suggested to me that a lot of people sense this is going on and they want someone to talk about it. And I hope if Bobby endorses Trump, and of course I hope he does, that he'll spend the next couple of months talking about this stuff in public because somebody needs to.
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Well, I mean, the childless cat lady thing I felt bad about, I'm pretty sure I haven't went looked at the tape again, but I'm pretty sure I egged him on to say something like that. And I think it's a mean thing. I think I'm responsible for that. And. I have a tendency to get way over my skis and get mean. And I regret that. You know, it's very ugly.
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And I'm I'm I'm ashamed of the many, many times when I've said nasty things like that. I feel sorry for childless people, whether they have cats or not. And I mean it as someone who has four children who are the root of my happiness. You know, I really feel compassion. And the whole point.
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Well, the intended point, I may have distorted it in getting cable newsy and being nasty to people, but the whole point is we should be encouraging people to experience the things that make them the happiest. And I think any parent will tell you, as hard as it is having kids, that is one of the main sources of happiness for people from the beginning of time.
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And if we're discouraging that or making it impossible for people to have kids, that's on us. That's a major sin, and we should try to make it better. So I just want to say that, that I felt bad about that and many other nasty things I've said over the years where I diminish people or make fun of their appearance. That's that's totally wrong. So I'm sorry. But I would say of J.D.
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Vance, it was hilarious because he's so weird. He hates what he's like, one of the only politicians I know. And I know a lot of politicians who has a happy, normal marriage. He actually cares what his wife thinks. She's his partner, like actual partner. She's very smart and a really nice person, a cool person. And he isn't like a normal happy marriage.
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If you brought I've actually been around it in private. If you brought a camera into J.D. Vance's household, you would see like a husband who loves his wife, a father who loves his children like you really would. You can't say that for almost any other politician on either side. And I don't want to be mean. I've already said I don't want to be mean. But like that, that Walls guy is a creep.
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I'm just telling you that as someone who went to boarding school in the 80s, like I know exactly who that guy is. And I'm sorry. It's just, you know, I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I am.
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Yeah. Well, I lived in a boys dorm in a New England boarding school in the 1980s with a lot of guys like Tim Walls. OK, so I saw that guy. I'm like, oh, wow. I know exactly. You're a creeper, as we used to call him, for sure. And, you know, I guess I probably shouldn't. I definitely shouldn't. suggest what I'm suggesting without evidence. I don't have evidence beyond what I've seen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So I just want to say that I'm probably again, you mean like a pervert?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He's a weirdo. He's a weirdo. And you can tell watching him. And I'm sorry, I just lived long enough that I know that your gut level perceptions are rooted in truth. They're not always precisely true. I've gotten many things wrong, like the details are unknown to me. But I look at that guy and I'm like, you're a weirdo. And everyone's like, no, it's so normal. No, not normal. Sorry.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And by the way, what is he doing in a high school setting with children talking to them about their sex lives?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Well, I mean, I definitely didn't broker anything. That's not my role in life. I'm not good at that. I would never, I just wouldn't do it, you know, go to... Bobby and say, you know, you can get this and go to Trump and say you should do that. I mean, you know, my only role just in general is knowing a lot of people, liking a lot of people. I always try to connect people just in general.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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You know, you should meet so and so, you know, so that but I'm not a political actor, not good at it. I don't really understand politics. Most of my Political predictions are wrong. You know, I stay at 35,000 feet, which is the only place I'm comfortable or competent. And the second, you know, I've been lured into saying, oh, this race and this state is going to go that way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I get humiliated because I don't really understand it. Same. So, no, I didn't. I didn't broker anything. I know them both well. And I really like Bobby Kennedy. I always have. I don't agree with him on everything. Right. obviously, but I like his spirit, which is inquisitive, pretty honest, I would say, actually, for a politician, very honest, brave.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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And I think that it takes enormous self-discipline to get through a presidential campaign. And I don't know that she has that. And I also think the Israel thing is tough. It's tough for anybody running in that party. You know, a lot of rank and file Democrats are genuinely mad about the Gaza thing, donors obviously are on a different page.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So it's a fundamental split in that party, and I'm not exactly sure how that's resolved, and I'm not sure that she can walk that line.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, I would say with some certainty. As of today, I mean, boy, things are so dynamic. It's hard even to know where things are going a lot of the time. But if the Republican Party still has standing in the eyes of voters, and I think it will a couple of years from now, J.D. is the obvious. I mean, he's the most articulate explainer, I think, of Donald Trump's ideas.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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He's the most powerful and effective vice president ever. in my lifetime for sure. And he has managed to do that while remaining completely loyal on the same page as Donald Trump, not undermining him. I mean, that's always the tension between president and vice president. You know, the vice president has his own aspirations. And so he's sort of subtly undermining the president.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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That has not happened at all. And I don't expect that it will. So yeah, I mean, I think J.D. is the obvious. I mean, it's certainly not gonna be Nikki Haley. Like, let's be real.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, I thought it was amazing. I thought it was amazing. I mean, I'm frustrated because I think that Zelensky is an enemy of the United States. And I think his government has tried to assassinate a number of people. I don't think that I know that, including some people who are well known on the conservative side. So I think it's a really, really dark story.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
government um it's banned the largest christian denomination in ukraine that has sold a lot of the weapons that we have sent them to all kinds of dark groups including hamas and the mexican drug cartels like i think it's a it's an outlaw government that does not represent ukrainians he's not an elected president um he has no he has no moral claim to run that country at all so you know i'm always a little distressed when he's treated as a legitimate president which he's not
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But that said, he was in the Oval. I didn't have any control over any of that. I didn't want to be in the Oval in the first place. Like, hey, why don't you stand for election? And when you win, then we'll treat you like a head of state, but you're not a head of state because he's not. So that's my personal view. But given that, I was thrilled to see Donald Trump
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
i think that was genuine peak like we just sent you billions and billions of dollars you stole a lot of it how many houses do you have zielinski by the way do you have a house in miami do you have one in france like what you know let's let's actually do an audit of your personal finances and of budenoff and all the people around you and like let's find out where the money went
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
That's never been done, it's never going to be done, because a lot of Americans have gotten rich from it too, as I know you know, it's a money laundering scheme. But with that all in mind, and of course the president knows all that, for Zelensky to be like, well, you owe me more money or else big problems for you. I mean, I think that just exploded Trump's brain. I think he was genuinely outraged.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
How dare this guy talk to me? This dictator of a client state talked to me that way. You know, I hope that US policymakers will keep that in mind going forward. This guy is not our ally at all. He's trashing the United States constantly, constantly trying to split Europe from the United States. Oh, my gosh.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And there are so many people in the national security state who are so vested in this and who've gotten rich from it. that they won't admit it. And the whole system's like on autopilot, like Zelensky runs Ukraine. Ukraine is our ally. Russia is our enemy. It's like, what? We just waged a three and a half year war against Russia without congressional approval.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
United States has been fighting a war, as we speak, is fighting a war against Russia. No American voted for this. Most Americans don't want it or can feel like, why are we fighting Russia again? Why are they our enemy? Because a small group of people hates Russia for reasons that they never say out loud. That has a lot to do with the reemergence of Christianity in Russia. They hate that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And they've roped the rest of us with our tax dollars into supporting this war that we lost. We lost the war. And we degraded U.S. authority and military power in the process. We pushed Russia into a permanent alliance with China. It's been a disaster for the United States. And nobody has admitted that, said that out loud. And they haven't even changed course.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And so it's extremely frustrating to watch.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I mean, I think it's really dangerous to do it this way. I think we should have cut off Ukraine day one, forced a settlement of our choosing in conjunction with the Russians who won. So in the end, let's be totally honest, the winner sets the terms like that's just a fact. We could try and guide those terms, but we're not in a position of absolute authority in Eastern Europe right now.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It's just a fact. I wish we were, but we're not. So but I do think the longer this goes on, the higher the incentive for Zelensky and the people around him. to drag the rest of the world into this, to commit some serious atrocity in Moscow. And by the way, I was there. I saw with my own eyes, they sent a drone in and attacked the Kremlin.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And of course, the Russians didn't want to admit that because they don't want to admit that their capital city is vulnerable to attack. But that's a fact. I saw it on fire. And every Russian I asked denied that it was happening. I was like, wait, there's... But that was Ukrainian drone. And there have been a bunch of them. And those are American drones.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
So the United States, under Joe Biden, attacked the Russian capital. This is so crazy. And the Russians, for their own who are not always honest about things, to be honest, you know, To be clear, they have downplayed that because a bunch of different complicated reasons. But that's all true. And so the Zelensky government has incentive to do more of that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And you could really see this thing getting completely out of control. And like, why wouldn't China? North Korea has already sent troops onto the battlefield in Ukraine. Why wouldn't China do that? So you could have a scenario where the United States, American advisors, we have a million Americans fighting in that war, as you know. They lie about it, but it's true. They're in Ukraine fighting.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And European troops, NATO troops, and Ukrainian troops are fighting Chinese troops. This could get out of control super fast. Everyone thinks, oh, I know how this is going to go, and this is what's going to happen, like some Rube Goldberg setup, and then this is going to happen. That'll happen. It's like... Dude, you have no idea what's going to happen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
You don't know what you're having for dinner tonight. The future is not under our control at all. And so anyone who tells you, like, here's how it's going to go is a liar or dumb. These are dynamic situations, and they could go in a crazy, unanticipated direction. If there's one lesson of history, it's that. So you want to shut down the fighting as fast as you can, and I really hope they will.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I mean, I would just say that I don't know that they've been responsible for an assassination attempt on Donald Trump. I can't prove that. I think it's very obvious that the Ukrainians were involved in the attempted assassination on the golf course in Florida this fall.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, he was in Ukraine. He was in Ukraine. And he was asking them for ballistic missiles or rocket-propelled grenades.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Yes, that's exactly right. And I think there are others who were the target. I mean, I know for a fact there were others who were a target of assassination attempts by the Ukrainian government. And by the way, just to be clear, the Ukrainian government, like the U.S. government, like every government has factions within it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It doesn't mean if one part of the government does something that everyone in the rest of the government knows it's doing it. I mean, there are it's complicated. Did the CIA kill Kennedy? No. But it's pretty clear that, you know, James Angleton was aware of it, who worked at CIA. So it's like it's it's more complicated.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I don't mean to oversimplify anything, but it's it's a it's a fact that elements of the Ukrainian government have tried to assassinate a bunch of people. And. So there you go. And I and I think starting with with the with the now president and I and I'm not exactly sure why we haven't gotten to the bottom of that. I've, you know, encouraged it on my show.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I think I think we do need to get to the bottom of it. I don't know where that investigation is. I don't know where the Butler, Pennsylvania investigation is. I mean, there are so many questions, obvious, unanswered questions.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I know more about Dr. Jill Biden's college career, which is totally useless information, by the way, than I do about two assassination attempts on the now president. So I think it's very strange. I'm not withholding something I know. I really don't know why. I do think the president is instinctively... opposed to talking about those attempts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I think he thinks it diminishes him or makes him seem like he's complaining. I don't know exactly what the reason is, but as an American, I think it's fair for the rest of us to ask, what was that? You can't have a democracy if the head of state lives in fear of assassination. You can't, because no one can think clearly or make... you know, wise decisions under the threat of death.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So we need to get that settled, I think, soon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, I think I mean, look, just in an ideal world, I think Iran is a threat to Israel. I think it's a threat to the Gulf states. All six of them were allied with those countries. I think they've been really good partners for us. And so it's not a defense of Iran to ask the question, can we actually do this? I mean, there are all kinds of things that you want to do.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
The question is, am I capable of doing them? Do I have the power to affect the change I seek? And in the case of Iran, you know, it's not at all clear. What is clear is that any strike on Iran could potentially, because the future, as noted, is hard to predict, could potentially spin into a much wider, potentially global conflict. But even in the short term, there are massive, massive downsides.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
So there are, what, six Iranian nuclear facilities that we know about or we talk about in public anyway, and all six of them are on the Gulf, the Arabian Gulf or the Persian Gulf, depending on what side you're on. But they're on the Gulf. Well, the water supply for every country in the region comes from the Gulf through desalinization.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
So if you blow up a nuclear site and you pollute the Persian Gulf, then you've got six of the richest countries in the world with no water. And at least one of them has thought this through and has been building giant reservoirs for seawater, for drinking water, but they're only a couple of weeks supply.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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So like the second point you make is that a huge percentage of global energy goes through that piece of water
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
know out through the straits of hormuz and then to the west to europe and the united states and to the world and so if you shut that down you're looking at global oil price you're looking at 25 gallon gasoline right so that's the fastest most destructive kind of inflation that percolates down through the whole economy because the price of energy determines the price of pretty much everything because energy makes civilization possible so that's a really big downside i'm not saying it's not
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
know it's it's not a question of like are you happy that iran might have nukes i'm not happy that pakistan has nukes they're also there's at least one other country that clearly has nukes that nobody says out loud um i'm not talking about israel but there you know it's a it's a more complicated world like france has nukes is france doing deals with other countries that guarantee nuclear protection for other countries probably you know so there's proliferation is is a lot
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
more profound a problem than I think people understand. So but anyway, no one wants Iran to have nukes. No one in the Gulf does. Israel doesn't. Trump doesn't. I don't. You don't. Nobody wants Iran to have nukes. The question is, how do we stop that? And I don't really think it's about nukes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I think it's about regime change in Iran, that this government is hostile to the West, hostile to Israel primarily, but also to the United States. They are. And we would like a new government there that can be our friend.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
now there's a long history in iran going back to 1954 where the us government did affect regime change um as you know in fact the guy in charge that lived on my street as a kid former ci officer um roosevelt and that didn't work well and that got us tonight the shah and then to 1979 and then the islamic republic ever since so like we it's hard to affect regime change in countries you're not from
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It's hard to know what the consequences will be. We've tampered in that country extensively. It hasn't worked at all. It's been counterproductive. And that's also true of neighboring countries, Iraq, Syria right now, Libya. I mean, just name the country. Like, regime change is hard to pull off, okay?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
So anyone telling you regime change, and there are a lot of people, paid liars in Washington, who are telling you that. Like, oh, well, just regime change. Lots of people hate the religious authorities in Iran. I think that's true. Seems to be true. But that's not the same as, oh, we're going to throw in a pro-Western government and everything's going to be fine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Like, show us where you've done that before. Oh, you've never done it before.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Oh, dude. Oh, dude. The largest country in the world is 25 percent Muslim that, you know, Putin is a moderate. Putin is the most pro-Western person I've dealt with in Russia. I mean, I'm just telling you, like, whatever. I'm not defending Putin, though. I think you can make a case he's done a great job for Russia.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I think I think we can say that anybody at a think tank or a publication or a federal agency who blithely talks about regime change in any country should be disqualified from talking about anything foreign policy related ever again. If you had a hand in the Iraq war, if you had a hand in the Syria disaster, if you had a hand in killing Gaddafi.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
If you had a hand in Afghanistan, if you lied about what happened on 9-11, and that's pretty much everybody in D.C. in the foreign policy establishment, you can no longer participate in the decision-making process about where to send arms and money around the world because you are disqualified. Your track record is so repugnant. We're not going to throw you in jail, though you clearly deserve it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
We are instead just going to take you out of the conversation because you were demonstrably unqualified to get us into new wars because you screwed it up last time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
don't think that's a terrible standard that's like a really straightforward standard and i feel angry about it because i spent my whole life there my dad worked for the federal government in the foreign policy sphere and so like i just grew up with this stuff and i know the people and i know that none of them has ever apologized or changed his thinking repented and the baseline requirement in my house as a father is you can do whatever you want
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
you can screw up as badly as one i will always love you no matter what you do but you have to admit fault and you have to try to change that's called repentance that's like we should make that a absolute unyielding requirement for our leaders if you screw up if you admit it and try to get better we still love you but if you refuse to do that we're never trusting you again and that's our entire foreign policy establishment and so for those people and by the way it's not just that they're like arguing for regime change in iraq they're not
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
They're not even honorable enough to say what they want out loud. And anyone who raises questions, I'll speak from great experience on this topic. I've never said word one about what's happening in Gaza. Okay. I have views on it. I'm not impressed at all, but I've tried to pull back because it's not my country. Okay. So I'm just looking at it from an American perspective.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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I don't want my country to be further weakened, my fellow citizens to die yet again, my federal treasury to be drained yet again on behalf of an idea that's clearly stupid. I think it's important to say, wait a second, is this a good idea? Can we actually do what you say we can do for doing that? I have been attacked as a tool of Iran. I'm a freaking Episcopalian.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I am not Shiite as a tool of Qatar, who's like one of our closest allies in the world. The largest American air base in the Middle East is in Qatar. They're a close ally of ours. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, you're taking Qatari money. I've never taken a dollar. I've never taken a dollar from any government. I mean, are you joking?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And these are people who are acting on behalf of a foreign government telling me that I'm unpatriotic. And I try not to get like crazy angry about it. But it's hard because you see these people, Ben Shapiro or these shills come out and attack you personally because having- He was bashing you just this week. What's so infuriating is I'm 56 in two weeks, so I've watched this. I was in Iraq.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I'm not an expert on anything and I would never claim expertise or try not to claim expertise I don't have. But just I have a good memory. And I was there for a lot of this stuff. And I have unresolved rage for the reasons I just explained. No one's apologized. No one's repented. No one's changed. And so to attack me is I'm selling out my country, which is the only thing I care about.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I don't have another passport. I have no plans to go anywhere. I could certainly afford to move some other country. I'm not. I live directly across from my parents' grave, and I'm never leaving. So to attack me as a shill for another country, when you yourself are shilling for another country, it's almost too much for my tiny brain to deal with, actually.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
How much better it would be if someone like Ben Shapiro, who's smart, and I don't think Ben Shapiro is evil, I'm not attacking him as a person, but how much better would it be if he could just sit and say, okay, here's what I think would happen if we joined an attack
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
on iran or stop lying to me and telling me that we're going to defeat the houthis the whole point of getting involved in a war with the houthis is to suck us into a war with iran like i know that because i know a lot about this topic so don't patronize me and lie to me just be straightforward and say i think we can affect regime change in iran here's how we can do it and then i could say well here are my concerns but instead it's like for the following reasons you're weak you know you don't love america i don't love america really
The Megyn Kelly Show
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It's too much. I can't deal with it. Obviously.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, I kind of feel that way. And I it's hard for me as someone who's like carried a 38 in his pocket for many years to think of myself as like some hippie peacenik or something. But I do think that Christianity unique among the world's religions, certainly among the monotheistic religions. has a real problem with violence. I just have been reading the New Testament. I'm hardly a theologian.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I'm not an expert. Consult other sources. Don't take my word for it. But it's pretty clear in the Gospels that when Peter pulls out the sword, it cuts off the ear of the guy who's arresting Jesus, and Jesus scolds him and heals the slave's ear. It's like that's a pretty clear sign that our religion does not condone violence. And I don't understand why nobody says that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
um but that is my read of it so i do feel like there's a a religious impulse behind my views also but there's a the practical concerns that i just listed but on the russia thing it's like nobody asked me whether i thought russia should be our enemy i'll tell you no i think people are really mad that they were not mad at russia before they were not mad when the soviets ran it they weren't mad when the drunk boris yeltsin ran it they were mad when putin took over in 2000 and started refinancing
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I mean, my first response is it feels so antique. It feels so 2017. It's like literally nobody cares. Nobody cares at all. All of those talking point people of color under attack. No, they're not. They're coming here by the millions because this is the safest country for everybody, no matter what your color is or it was in any case. So, like, that's just so... old fashioned.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
the Russian Orthodox Church. I do think that was upsetting to a lot of people in the West. And I think, whatever, that's their view. That's not my view. I think that's good. I think Christian countries are good. And I think that, you know, I'm not moving to Russia. I don't speak Russian. I have kind of nothing to do with Russia, actually.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But I definitely don't think it's the most threatening country in the world to us. I think we should be allies with Russia. I think that's in our interest. So to say like, oh, you like Putin, Well, OK, first of all, I'm an American citizen. I can like anyone I want. OK, it's not doesn't mean I'm unpatriotic.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Actually, I would have questions about the patriotism of anybody who wants to get us into a war that's going to kill more Americans that we can't win and that serves no obvious purpose. So like the whole way of debating it drives me bonkers. It's like personal. It's attacking people's character. It's attacking their loyalty to the nation. I thought that's what the left did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And it's also, by the way, in favor of censorship. Like, oh, I don't know if you should platform people with those views. What? That's ridiculous. I don't acknowledge the word platform. It's not a verb. It's not a verb. It's a noun. It's something you stand on when you dive into a swimming pool. It's not a verb. Stop stealing my nouns and making them into verbs, you douchebag.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
So it's it's actually it's a very powerful slur. It has a much more immediate effect on my life that, you know, they called me for years a racist or whatever. OK. If I was racist.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I didn't really care. You know, I have a lot of Jewish friends, like real friends, not not people I know, but like actual friends. And so I don't want to be called that because it's not true. And and that's a very tough thing to call somebody. And all of a sudden I you know, the last thing I want is a fight. over Israel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
By the way, I do think way too much head space in this country and too much public debate is devoted to foreign countries. I want to know how we're going to fix the roads in this country and lower the suicide rate a little bit and the OD rate. I think you should be worried about the Mexican drug cartels.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
yeah i mean and i think all of us i know a couple people have died from it and and i'm i'm not unusual i think everyone knows people who died from it so it's it's it's literally like the worst thing that's happening in the united states and you know that fennel's killed more americans than iran has so on some level it's like i resent the hijacking of my concern by a foreign country i mean i do and i think look i spent a lot of time in foreign countries i think foreign policy is super interesting it matters the united states the world matters i mean i i'm not an isolationist in any sense i'm actually
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I mean, it's really like you expect her to say, let me fax you my thoughts on this because it's just like she's so out of it. The second thing is that like we always beat up on, you know, rich white ladies because they're the most disruptive force in America. But that's unfair. It's not it's not about color.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
in more foreign countries than most people by a lot. But I do think fixing the United States is the main priority for Americans, so that bothers me. But on the question of Israel, it's like, I like Israel. I've been there a number of times, taken my family there on vacation. They're going again soon. We're Christians. They wanna go to Jerusalem. I got it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And I have a million friends who both live in Israel and who love Israel. So I don't wanna have a fight about Israel at all, just at all. So I've really tried not to have that fight. And but I don't want the United States to enter in another unwinnable Middle Eastern war. I just really, really don't, especially now. We don't even have the ammo for it. So whatever. There's a lot.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But anyway, I have been like attacked in ways that are so crazy that I and it's totally coordinated. So I finally, the other day, I called someone I know in the Israeli government. There are some great people in the Israeli government. I called one of them and I said, stop this. I am not your enemy. You don't think you have enough enemies? What? You have real enemies. I've gone out of my way.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And by the way, it's our weapons being used in Gaza. So I have every right to say, you have a dispute with your neighbor and you want to get medieval on him. Do it on your own dime. Do it with your own weapons. I'm not paying for that. That's a totally fair position as an American taxpayer who pays like way more than his share in taxes. Like I have a right to do that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I haven't done that because I don't want to fight. But I've been attacked anyway. And these creepy people taking direct orders from a foreign government are attacking me on the internet. And I wouldn't care except this specific slur affects my personal life. Like a really old friend of mine, 35-year-old friend, I can't believe what they're saying. Is this true?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Is it true that I'm an anti-Semite now?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
What are you even saying? So they've gotten to me. So that's made me upset. So I called up and I was like, you guys got to stop. We're not doing that. I'm almost 56, I know how the world works. Please stop. Well, and I was like, if you think I'm your main enemy in a world that really hates you, I mean, they're right about that. A lot of people really do hate Israel. I'm not one of them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
If you think I'm the problem, you've gone off the deep end. You're insane. Like, I am showing restraint. The only thing, I've done one segment on the whole topic and it's on Christians in the Holy Land. I am a Christian. My family's been Christian for, you know, whatever, a thousand years. I have a right to say this. And Christians in the Holy Land are mistreated by Muslims and by Israel.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And in the West Bank and in Gaza. And I have a right to say I don't think that U.S. tax dollars should be used to mistreat Christians. And by the way, my real contempt is not for Israel. It's for the American evangelical preachers who ignore this, the Christian Zionists who think it's OK to blow up a church because their weird theology, which is like demonstrably not in the New Testament.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It's there's something about the people with the most in our country that's really poisonous. They're the unhappiest or the most restless. They're the most self-involved. They're the least generous. They're the most annoying. And it's not just a gender thing. It's men too. But there's something about America at this moment where the unhappiest people are also the most privileged.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I can just tell you it's not there. I don't know where they came up with this. It's not there. It's not what it says. But whatever. I'm mad at them. I did one segment on that and all of a sudden I'm like a Holocaust denier or something. So anyway, I called up and I said, you guys got to pull back on this stuff. It's crazy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And again, I'm the wrong target and I don't think it really had any effect, but I did do that because it's like, I, why would I want that? I just don't want to go to Iran.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Because people I know, I get texts from people who were like, oh, do you really have a Holocaust denier on your show? What? No. I was in a meeting. So it comes to you personally, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
With a well-known person who's like, who I like, who's like, my wife wanted me to ask you, why did you have a Holocaust denier on your show? And I was like, I don't even know what the hell he was talking about. And it's just layers of propaganda. Rather than, look, and I hate it when people whine about being attacked. I almost never do it. I'm just, in this specific case...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I think we are being robbed of the debate that we need over our foreign policy, over foreign influence on our politics, which is absolutely profound. And it's not coming from Russia. It's coming from Israel. It's profound. You can't even say that out loud because why?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And I feel like none of us can have an honest, non-hateful, non-crazy, non-antisemitic, just a straightforward conversation about sovereignty. Like, can we make decisions that are in our own interest or not?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
and about what the wise course is and by the way i think you should listen to other countries including israel and canada and france and every country like what you do has an effect on other people and you should hear them out i'm not saying you shouldn't you should and i would include israel in that i'm merely saying we should talk openly and not leave it to the crazy people
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
responsible, normal, non-hateful people should have an open conversation about what the right next steps are in all kinds of different theaters and the risks. That's exactly right. And you can't because all of a sudden you've got Ben Shapiro being like, oh, you're sucking up to Putin. You're anti-Semitic. It's like...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
son, sit this one out, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're a child, actually, and you're reading talking points that discredit you, I think Ben is smart, he probably has interesting things to say, but when you are unwilling to criticize a foreign government at all,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
it tells the rest of us what you're saying isn't real like will you will you criticize the u.s government every day are you kidding every my dad worked for the us government and i'm willing to criticize every that's all i do is criticize the u.s government a foreign government what are you talking about who wrote these rules man and you're going to try and shut me up by calling me a hater when i'm not and if i were i would just say so i don't think that's going to work
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And I think it does tell you something deep about accumulating money or worshipping money. It doesn't fill the empty space at all. Larry Fink is a miserable person in real life despite having billions of dollars. And
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
That is so awesome.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
of course you know personally and i do too a lot of deeply unhappy billionaires way more unhappy than the guy fixing your air conditioning so there is like it's it's it's a theological principle that i think is worth saying out loud worshiping money worshiping power organizing your life so you get more of both does not give you peace or happiness. In fact, it seems to produce the opposite.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
No, I just love that. I can't see any video, so I'm just hearing it. Like, what's this? That's awesome.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, no one tells me when the meetings are. No, of course not. I'm not on a board of directors.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I don't like it when people exert influence secretly. It's better just to say out loud exactly. Because what happened, and I've seen it obviously my whole life, is that people become power worshipers really quickly. It's in all of us to
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
kowtow to power to worship power to want power and that's our destruction so i'm wary of all of that i mean i love trump i've always you know i mean i've definitely gone through phases over the last 20 years of knowing trump but no i you know there's no one who's more entertaining fun to be with whose instincts are they're just incredible he's like he's an incredible person you don't
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Obviously, he's an incredible person. So I really like Trump so much. But I try and say, I try to, probably don't always succeed, but I try to say exactly what I would say in private, in public. I just try to be transparent, both so I don't have to keep track of different storylines or lies, and also because I just feel better. It's just good to be open about everything.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I do think Pete is under attack. I love Halperin, by the way. He's really smart.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Oh, I didn't even know. I'm gonna text him right now. But anyway, I think his analysis is totally right. There is a group, I think it's partly ideological, that would very much like to see Pete out. I'm on this, you know, I'm of course close to Pete. I've known Pete a long time. We have the same job. I know you are as well. And so I'm strongly for Pete.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But I do think that a lot of the drama at the staff level in the Pentagon, some of it's just the product of the fact the Pentagon is a snake pit, very complicated place to work. I said to Pete recently, I was like, there's no way I could ever I couldn't run that place for one day. I mean, I'm just I'm in awe of anyone who can run the Pentagon. So I think that's part of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But there's also an ideological issue. motive here and pete is like sensible he's rooted in the experience of the troops he is of course loyal to the president he understands the president's vision and it would be a lot easier i think to have like a crazed neoconservative senator run the Pentagon if you wanted a war with Iran. I do think that's part of it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
People like Michelle Obama, who's drowning in Lake Me. I mean, Michelle Obama is literally going down for the third time into this pool of self involvement. And you just you don't think she's going to come up again like she's dying of affluence, privilege and self obsession, obviously.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
So I don't understand a lot of what's happening there. I do know Dan Caldwell pretty well, who's one of the aides from the senior aides who was fired. I'm completely convinced, and I think the evidence proves, that Dan Caldwell did not leak classified information to NBC News. That's a lie. I was told that by somebody who I trust, by the way, who I think was telling me the truth.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
He believed it also, but that was out there. Everyone heard that. He photocopied information or took a picture on his phone, texted it to this reporter at NBC, broke federal law. That's a crime to do that. Undermine the president, et cetera, et cetera. Well, that's not true. He didn't do that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And moreover, not only did he not do that, there's no evidence that he did it because they never took his phone and they never polygraphed him. So the whole thing was one of those classic Washington. I think of it as like getting attacked by a swarm of bees. Like you're just going along, you're walking through the woods and all of a sudden you step on a hive and they're just flying up your shorts.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
They're on you. You can't think straight. All you know is pain. And that's how they get people. Like this stuff will appear out of nowhere. All of a sudden you'll just hear so-and-so's bad. He did something really wrong. I don't know all the details, but he's done. And then the five minute hate begins and the person's destroyed. That's what happened to Dan Caldwell.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And but the question is, why wasn't personal? Because Dan Caldwell was a check against the enormous pressure that the Pentagon and the White House are receiving to engage in a war with Iran and also to destabilize Pete. I mean, he'd worked with Pete for over 10 years. They were concerned veterans for America together. So he knew him well.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And so to take away all the people that the secretary knows well and trusts and replace them with, you know, sinister lifers who are never telling the truth about anything. I do think, again, I don't have any special knowledge. This is just my outside analysis as someone who's a student of bureaucracy, the federal bureaucracy. I think that's what happened.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, of course, I have no idea what Halpern's going to say. And he's been, as he does, actively reporting on this. I have not been. So I'm sure he knows a lot more than I do. So I don't want to get over my skis and make yet another bad prediction, which I've done for 30 years. Putin will never invade Ukraine. OK, that was one of my bad predictions. But excuse me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But my sense as of, you know, last time I was paying close attention, talking to people is that, uh, Pete, Secretary Hegseth, did have the full support of the president. And, you know, both because I think he loves Pete as a person. I know I do. He's just a good guy. And his wife was my producer, who I love, Jen. And so I think Trump feels the same way about them. Pete has a lot of friends.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
People like Pete. He's a good man. But also because I don't think you want to lose a key cabinet secretary 100 days in. I don't think that's a good precedent at all.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And for what?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Yes, exactly. No, I think that's exactly I think it's exactly right. And but here's what I and and what I don't know, Colin. I've heard he's an amazing person and a patriot and a man of bravery and integrity. And I believe all of that. And I'm sure that, you know, staff squabbles and fights with the chief of staff, Joe Casper, played a huge role in all of this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
but my specialty is on you know the bigger questions the ideological questions and i just can't confirm since that's the world that i live in that there is huge pressure on a bunch of cabinet secretaries particularly on pete hegseth to go along with this war with iran like that is priority one right now for a bunch of different reasons partly because of where
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
American troops are on rotation in the Middle East. There happen to be a lot of them right now, partly because there's a belief that Iran's air defenses have been neutralized to some extent and maybe for other reasons. So there's a lot of pressure right now. And so that is a factor. in every big decision that's made, you know?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And I would just say that's a shame because we have a lot of, I mean, those are all fair questions. Should we bomb Iran? Like, that's a real conversation. We should not ignore the conversation. But as you just said earlier about fentanyl, like this country has a lot of problems and Donald Trump was elected by grateful voters who wanted those questions to be addressed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And so I just hope as we debate problems in other countries, we also reserve time to fix our own.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I think tariffs are a completely separate category where I'll just say I'm hoping for the best, but uncertain as to how this is going to play out. And I'm not qualified even really to guess. But of course, same. Thank you for your honesty. And I'm rooting, rooting for that. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't I don't want to. But clown myself by talking about things I don't understand. Right.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It's just that's not my area. So but but immigration, you know, I feel like I know more about him from a state that was destroyed by it completely. Gavin Newsom didn't destroy California. Mass immigration destroyed California. It's a completely different population than the one I grew up with. And it's not better. It's much worse. So that's the story around the world.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It's the story of Sweden, where my ancestors came from. It's the story of Great Britain, where my other ancestors came from. It's the story of all Western Europe, France, Spain. These countries have been destroyed by mass immigration. That's not a guess at this point. The results are in. We know. And so from my perspective, the real number in the United States is unknown.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I spoke to a federal official recently who told me the real number is probably closer to 50 million.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
illegal aliens living in the united states right now so my that leaves me confused so you are watching in real time a digital prison being built around the rest of us on the basis of facial recognition and quote real ids where you can't conduct any business you can't travel without verifying you are who you say you are okay that's the point of this it's for our safety but somehow we can't even know who lives in this country with facial recognition and real ids
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
The federal government intrudes into every decision you make in your personal life, but somehow they're totally incapable, with all of that technology, of telling us how many non-citizens are living here illegally. I call bullshit on that. That's a lie. And I also wonder, what is the aggregate number of deportees in the last 100 days? If it's under a million, I'll just say I'm disappointed.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And I say this to someone who voted for Trump, who loves Trump, I like Tom Homan, but what is this? The scale of this, because this country is so large, is opaque to most people. They don't understand that our country was just completely changed forever. And it's not acceptable.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I mean, I happen to live in a place that's really been affected by immigration, by refugee resettlement, which is, I think, a worse problem than illegal immigration, by the way, because at least illegal immigrants are showing a willingness to put their own butt on the line to get a better life. There's something about that that everybody admires. I don't admire anything.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
about a church group, Catholic charities or the million Protestant groups that move refugees from some refugee camp in Africa into my community where they languish, commit welfare fraud, commit crime. I'm not even attacking them. I feel sorry for them, too. You were just living in Sudan or Somalia, and now you're living in Minneapolis or Portland, Maine. It's like, I feel sorry for you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
No one really cares about the effect on you or your family, obviously. But the net effect on the people who live there is terrible. I can verify that. And no one even mentions it. It's like truly destroying the United States is the largest crime ever committed against us. I am not a racist. I'm not even insecure about it anymore since I've been called it so much. It's not in my heart.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I'm not a racist. I am a nationalist who loves this country and has no other. And that is a true crime. true attack on the United States. And I think we need more resources, more seriousness, and higher numbers. Can I give these to you?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Why is it incumbent on us? First of all, stop refugee resettlement in the United States. It's destroyed a lot of communities. It's destroyed communities that I'm very familiar with. Destroyed them forever. So stop that immediately. We have no moral obligation to take a single new refugee, and we shouldn't, period. Second, Mexico. One word, Mexico.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Mexico, a country that exists because of our largesse, because we move so much manufacturing to Mexico.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
i mean you know monterey mexico which is the economic engine mexico wouldn't wouldn't be so if it weren't for the united states and so we have a lot of leverage over mexico by the way they're you know they're sending us drugs we're sending them jobs and they're also sending us refugees and illegal immigrants from all over the world how about we just move a million people to tijuana tomorrow and say you deal with it you did this to us you deal with it and it was intentional the anti-american sentiment not among ordinary mexicans who are
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
honestly some of my favorite people i grew up next to them awesome people but their leaders hate the united states they always have since the mexican revolution that's why leon trotsky sought refuge in mexico there's a reason because the leadership of mexico is extremely anti-american extremely ideologically left-wing full atheist by the way in a catholic country it's a super dark management structure in mexico and always has been
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
honestly, since the Aztecs, and they have no choice. They're the country that we should be applying pressure to. Here are our legal aliens that walked across your sovereign territory to get into our country. You deal with them, and you cut the deal with Guatemala, and you cut the deal with Honduras or Peru. What do you
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Really, I'm for due process, and I am for due process specifically for me. I'm an American citizen. American citizens pay for this system. Their ancestors built this system, and they deserve its fruits. And the first among them is fairness and due process. They're basically the same thing.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
So that I I'm not that concerned whether someone who broke a law, my law to get into my country and is taking welfare from my pocket gets due process. I'm not that concerned. Second, after three years of getting a daily lecture about democracy and how it dies in darkness, democracy, democracy, what is democracy? Democracy is the idea that the people in a country run the country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
They make the big decisions. They own it. They're not slaves or serfs. They're shareholders in this enterprise called America. And they have a say. So now those same people are telling me that some appointed, unelected federal judge gets to invite 7 billion people into my country and there's nothing I can do about it? Yeah, I don't think so. I'm not playing along with that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I'm totally for balance of power. I'm for the current system as envisioned, which, by the way, is going away. It's not sustainable with this population, let's be honest. Nobody cares about the Constitution anymore. I do, because I'm a legacy American. But none of the newcomers, the 50 million people who just got here, they don't care at all. Why would they? It's not their heritage. It's mine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
so you're going to lecture me about that and then tell me that we can't stop anybody coming here on our dime who just feels like coming here i'm ignoring you i'm literally ignoring you what are you going to do about it that's how i personally feel about because at the end of democracy you're violating the people's will through your appointment, your appointed power, not your elected power.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Power does not derive from the population. It derives from the appointment that you got. And you're making the central decision in our society. I don't think you are.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
The first thing you do is just say, anyone who's a non-citizen, a non-citizen in the United States, is ineligible for any federal benefit. That means no public schooling. That means no food stamps or SNAP. That means no housing vouchers. That means no benefit designed for American citizens can go to a non-citizen. You want those benefits? Become a citizen.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And if you're not a citizen, you get nothing. Why would you?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
how can you use how how are we sitting here and watching all every small hospital in the united states is going under right now because people who have no right to be here are using the emergency room bring your kid to an emergency room outside of like some tiny gated rich community and you will find out that the whole system is collapsing under the weight i'm sure they're all good people not even attacking them like they're doing what i would do they're using the available largesse to help their families i get it
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
We're the criminals here. We're allowing this. So you just say now on executive order, no non-citizen, period, can receive federal benefits, period. The president can control that. And, you know, then we'll find out who's here for a better life and to bootstrap his way to success and who's here because there's just a lot of free stuff from a very weak state.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
of course and but she's just so miserable and it's obvious and always has been and i do think maybe another so you look at something like that you're like okay what are the lessons for me you know you look at other people's lives and they either go up or down they succeed or they fail and you try to take important lessons for yourself in your own life and one of the lessons that i've always thought michelle obama's life presented to the rest of us is take some time to focus on your marriage
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
overindulgent generationally wealthy country that has lost track of reality. And the reality is open borders in a welfare state cannot coexist. And we'll find out. We'll find out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, I'm hoping to go fishing this afternoon.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm up in northern New England where we had a day on Sunday that was so ugly, slate gray skies, 40 degrees, drizzle, no buds on any tree at all, and salt and sand on the roads from winter, and everybody looking kind of like, I just spent the last three months inside by the wood stove drinking coffee brandy. People just look like they've been through a war.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
as they do in cold climates in the spring and i thought to myself this is still the prettiest place on earth i've been everywhere in the world and this is the prettiest even on this the ugliest out of 365 days it's still the prettiest place god ever made so i'm just really grateful to live where i do and i've been here a long time and i'm really thankful i've had a lot of foreign travel but
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Um, here I've been like lecturing Ben Shapiro about how you need to care more about America. And I'm like in all these other countries. So I understand, um, that I'm a hypocrite and I am, I view it from where I sit as like adult education.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, you certainly get a different perspective. I mean, I have to say, you know, I've been to every state more than once, most of them a lot. I really know America pretty well. I've traveled my whole life since I was a child and I've just seen a lot of stuff. And I continue to think it's the you know, you don't need to fly first class on Emirates to see the world.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
You can literally get in your truck and just drive 100 miles and you just learn a lot of stuff. I mean, yesterday I was visiting a friend in another state. I was driving. And I see this church. Clearly, it's an Episcopal church. Obviously, I know the design of our churches. And there's no sign. So I pull up in front, and I walk in, and it's totally empty. The pews have been taken out.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
The altar's gone. There are no banners hanging from the ceiling. And I'm like, this is an abandoned stone Episcopal church. And I've been thinking about it ever since. The denomination I grew up with has totally collapsed because they forgot that God is the power that...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
know gets people in the pews on sunday like right you give up god your church collapses that's like i just drove 80 miles yesterday and i learned that like that expanded my head a little bit fly to saudi arabia for two weeks like i did this winter or just go someplace new and see stuff and you just understand more and it the last thing i'll say is like the main lie of the moment that we live in the generation we live in is that the truth is accessible on your phone
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
that if you Google enough, you'll get to the truth of things. And that is just itself a lie. That's a total lie. And to some large extent, it's a control device designed to make you think things that aren't true and to lead you astray. And the antidote to that is to put down your phone, smell things, see things, feel things, go places, meet people, Take a deep breath through your nose.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I'm a big sniff guy. I'm on Joe Biden's side that way. I really believe in the olfactory sense is the most revealing one. I sniff every person I meet. I never put anything in my mouth that's smelling it. Not one time in my whole life. I really believe in that. I agree.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Oh, I've sniffed you many times in a totally harmless way that would not threaten Doug at all. But I just sniff everybody. I really believe in that because you learn a lot about someone by smell and vibe. And that's just real. I'm not, I'm hardly a hippie. Okay. But that's just a fact. And you can't smell anything on the internet. Yes. It's totally real.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
if you're happy in your marriage you know you can feel it you can smell it you know you're emanating a kind of piece of tranquility you know you're going home to a to a spiritual fortress you know what i mean with your spouse and people who have deeply unhappy marriages and all of it you know everyone's been through periods of unhappiness and you know there's nothing more destabilizing than that
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I can identify my whole family by smell and my wife. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
A hundred percent. I know their smell instantly. And my wife, I mean, I'm literally like a wombat or something. If you are downwind, like I know. Sorry, excuse me.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I'm less evolved.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Oh, my garbage food intake? Yes. No. And I've been on the road for so long. I mean, you can't imagine there are countries in which like the three meal program is just the beginning. I mean, there are countries, particularly in the Middle East, where it's like, would you like some more hummus and pita bread? How about some dates? And I just I mean, I have I quit drinking. I quit smoking cigarettes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I quit drugs. I feel like I've I've quit deodorant. I mean, like I'm totally that's the straight edge about everything. OK. Yeah. But I just have a huge weakness. I was thinking about that this morning. I was in my sauna and I'm like, I got to I got to stop eating garbage. So no, that is definitely one of my huge problems.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
My other problem is I just want, as someone who is really, really hoping above all things for grandchildren, I want the vaccine schedule to change for kids. I just think it's really, I don't know why that hasn't changed. I think it will too.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I haven't complained, but I just, if you're asking like my view of it and what I want, I want that because I'm going to have grandchildren and I'm, I think going to really care about them more than, anything. And I don't want them injected with all that stuff at all.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, that's it. It's just there's there's a lot of coercion in health care. And I just watched this firsthand with a with a dying parent. And there's and I think everyone I've ever met, like doctor, especially the nurses, like they're all great people. They're motivated by the right impulses. I think I would not I don't think they're bad at all. I really admire and love them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But I think the system they work within pushes toward certain protocols like with serious vehemence. It's like, well, that's what we do. This person needs an opiate. And it's like, well, he doesn't want it, actually. Well, he needs it. Or this child needs a vaccine. Well, I don't think we're going to do that because I don't think my one day old is going to get an STD.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And you do feel like for the grasping, climbing, acquiring class of which he's a charter member, there's no time to focus on this one person in your own home or maybe even your own children. They're all about, I want to deal with Netflix and I want a Kennedy Center Honors Award and me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And they sort of missed the point, which is
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I think there needs to be more respect for choices. Like, you should be allowed to turn down certain treatments or prophylactics without being lectured by somebody.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Amen. And it has a counterproductive effect, and I see it in myself. I'm not going to allow myself to become a bigot on the question of Israel, period. I'm just not going to allow it. I know that that's a risk. I see other people fall prey to that. I'm not doing that, period. So that's not going to happen to me. But I do see it happening on medical...
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
questions and science questions because I was attacked so viciously for asking questions about the vaccine during COVID. And I find myself driven to like an extremist position. Like I'm just not going to the doctor ever. I'm not going to the doctor. I get cancer. I'm not taking chemotherapy. That's crazy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But I feel that in myself because I'm reacting against unfair attacks on my character just for asking, I thought, pretty normal, low IQ questions, just very simple questions. And I am responding to that because every action has an equal and opposite reaction, like in life, as in physics. And we need to check ourselves to make sure that we're not becoming crazy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And I just know on health care questions, I have become crazy. I'm not putting I don't know what is wrong with fluoride, but it's not in my toothpaste. I'm not like I've really gone like to the far extreme. Like I'm not the doctor tells me to get a shingles vaccine. Well, he wouldn't because I don't go to the doctor. But let's say I went to the doctor and he's like, get a shingles vaccine.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I would like raise my fingers in a cross and like back away slowly. I don't even know what a shingles vaccine is.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Which is what I love. You're an honest person. That's the only thing we should be shooting for is honesty, I think.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
See you soon, I hope. Great to see you. Thank you.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
in a normal life your marriage is the core of everything a happy marriage produces happy people and happy children and i just don't think she spent a lot of time on that i mean she really dislikes her husband super obvious i'm not just saying that to be catty i feel i think i'm trying to feel compassion for her but her hostility toward the guy is like unbelievable and it's been everything she says is negative
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Well, actually, last time I saw you, you said you were... off camera telling me how great Doug is. I mean, that's just a fact. I remember it really vividly. In fact, I told my wife about it. No, those are the markers of actual success. Is your marriage happy? Are your children thriving? Are your relationships solid, like the people around you in your orbit?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
and you feel like in her case boy the answer is no but it's not just her i mean she's like a freak show and it's easy to make fun of her and and i enjoy it but i do think it's a whole class of people who are afflicted with the same kind of restlessness and rage and emptiness and they're the ones wrecking our society it's not the people at the bottom it's the people at the top and they have gone way off the rails and she's like a perfect example of it in my opinion
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Yeah, I mean, sorry, it took me a second. I mean, there's a guy, there's another man in misery, you know what I mean? An inherited money person who has never achieved anything and who is inflicting his own personal torment on the rest of us. But he says, I've never called for disruption.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
It does raise the other question I always have about the people running everything, which is what have you built? What have you created? What have you improved? I mean, it is a binary. We're either in this life, on this planet, making things better or making them worse, building or destroying. What have you done for the state of Illinois, which is bankrupt?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
There's been an exodus of normal people, people with jobs, people with families. They're on the west coast of Florida right now. That state is wrecked. It's not all his fault, of course. But why don't you tell me three things you've done to improve Illinois? There aren't any. So for him to say, I've never called for disruption before, it's like, that's actually all you've done.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
All you've done is advocated for the destruction of children and families through the transiting stuff, through advocate for the destruction of your state, through your total mismanage of it. It's like, how could someone like that or Gavin Newsom or anyone else with a track record, an unbroken record of destruction, with a straight face, say, hey, give me a bigger job.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Like, I just think the whole thing is deranged. We should hire on the basis of achievement. We should reward people on the basis of achievement across the board, whether it's getting into Princeton, whether it's becoming president. Like, if you have no record of achievement, I'm sorry, we're not going to consider you, period.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I don't think we should help him agree. I agree completely. I didn't think that I know, obviously I know Gavin Newsom. I text with him occasionally. I am from the state of California. I'm from originally San Francisco. And I have relatives in Oman. So I've been with Gavin Newsom for a long time. I know his ex-wife. And I have been bothering him for years, like, you should come on my show.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And he was kind of open to it. And then he whips around and he's like, no, you should come on mine. I was like, oh, I would love to, because I would love to debate him about what he's done to my state. And then I watched a parade of people go on, some of whom are good friends of mine, by the way, conservatives go on the show. And I realized and I'm not attacking them at all. I almost did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
But then I realized, oh, wait a second. This is like this. This is not the point of this is not to have a real conversation or to answer questions. The point of this is to rehabilitate. And I would say of Gavin, like he's legit smart. I don't think there's anything at all at the core other than misery. Another deeply, deeply unhappy person who.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
know we should be rooting for him to get his life together uh but someone who kind of externalizes everything you know there's nothing at the center and so everything is about the public display a truly wounded screwed up person like on a very deep level not not joking but also a talented person who will say anything, which in politics is an advantage.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
If you're willing to say anything, I mean, there's things that you will not say, many of them, because you don't believe them. And maybe I'll speak for myself. There are some times where I've got strong views on something and I'm like, you should just shut up and keep that to yourself because you will just alienate everybody. And you don't need to express everything that you think.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I tell myself that a lot because I have some views that are super unpopular. Okay. But I will never say something that I don't believe. That's got to be the line. But there's no line at all with him, like none. And so, wow, it's kind of hard. It's kind of hard. You'd be like, you know, Gavin Newsom, you just robbed a liquor store. He's standing there with a gun in his hand, a fistful of 20s.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
Did I? It's postmodern. It's very hard to debate someone like that. You know what I mean?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
He's pretty white. I mean, it's the anti-white party. They hate white people. They've been systematically disenfranchising white people from the country they were born in. They say that out loud. That's what diversity is. It's everybody but white men. So I'm not whining about it. I'm just noticing that. Much more comprehensive than Jim Crow ever was.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
You're making me laugh, Megan. I hadn't read that. I'm grateful to be here. And Michelle Obama, you go to Princeton for free and you're just, by the way, I can't imagine that she qualified on the merits to go to Princeton, but you have everything handed to you for free and you're just enraged at the country. There's a deep lesson here, actually. Yes.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
And so for the party that did that, that set up this Jim Crow system, anti-white system, to nominate another white guy, I mean, maybe, but I think they'd be much happier with,
The Megyn Kelly Show
Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
aoc i i don't take her that seriously i'm not really sure what i think i think what is likely to happen yeah someone's going to come out of nowhere who's got native talent i continue to believe even in the democratic party you have to have talent to succeed i felt that bernie sanders had a lot of talent
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
I don't agree with him, of course, but I did think he had a lot of talent, and then it turned out he was a fraud also. But someone like Bernie Sanders, I think populist economics is very popular, actually. Conservatives don't want to admit it, but it is popular. So someone that comes out and attacks the credit card companies, attacks the endless war, basically does kind of trump
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Tucker Carlson on Michelle Obama, Newsom and AOC, and Fentanyl Crisis in America, with Billy Baldwin and Dr. Robert Marbut | Ep. 1060
On the left, that person could easily get elected. I don't think the race stuff has a future. Well, the problem with AOC is there is a kind of unseriousness about her. I think she's an amazing performer. I think she's attractive. I think she's different. I think she's got a ton of talent. I'm actually not criticizing AOC. I'm complimenting her sincerely. But I think she's too much about herself.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
But is it is it legal to criticize the CIA still?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, I mean, when I reported something about the contents of the JFK files two years ago, and Mike Pompeo's lawyer called me the next day to threaten me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Well, sure. But I mean, if if you think that the public's trust in the CIA is a national security imperative, in other words, if people doubt us, Americans will die. I mean, I think that's what they tell themselves, you know, that that preserving myths about their agency are like, you know, like a legitimate goal of government. Yeah. And so, you know, crazy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Thank you for saying that, because it's it is complicated. I mean, a president can come in and say, as this president just did, I want to see the documents and I want the public to see the documents. But there's a distance between that and seeing the documents. So if you wouldn't mind walking us through what the process is for getting this material.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So was that given over to the investigators of the Warren Commission?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I want to tell you about an amazing documentary series from our friend Sean Stone called All the President's Men, the Conspiracy Against Trump. It is a series of interviews with people at the very heart of the first Trump term, many of whom are close to the heart of the second Trump term.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
What do you suppose is still being classified from the investigation into Robert F. Kennedy's death?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Hmm. Do you, how would you assess the likelihood that the murder of Bobby Kennedy was not what they told us it was? A lone nutcase called Sirhan Sirhan shooting him with a .22 rifle? in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel. You think there's more there?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Sirhan Sirhan's in his 80s now. He's still in prison. He's still alive. And the one part of his story that's never changed, and it seems credible to me, is that he has no memory of shooting Bobby Kennedy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, I would say. I mean, you maintain the same story for, you know, almost 60 years. Yeah, I think it has a little bit more credibility. Final question. Thank you for taking this time. Since you've been working on this for so long and you did come out of, you know, the most prominent of the mainstream media, The Washington Post. Yeah. Have you been slandered as a nutcase conspiracy theorist?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I always wondered, like, what do they do with you exactly? Because you're not coming from the fringes. You're coming from the right from the middle of the establishment. I mean, you know, you've been attacked.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So let me ask you, why in the world would the Dimona project, the Israeli nuclear program, which has never officially been admitted by anybody but Israel, what would that conceivably have to do with the assassination of JFK?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And and Angleton, who is the counterintel chief at CIA.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
James Jesus Angleton. He. That's quite amazing. Did he support do you know his view of the Israeli nuclear program?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So why would he be asked about that in a congressional hearing? That's quite amazing.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
It is interesting. I mean, I have no idea what the truth is, of course, but it is interesting that one of the only major policy changes that Lyndon Johnson made in the year after the president's murder was, you know, on the Israeli nuclear program, which he accepted.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So I had no idea until you just told me that that was actually a feature of those hearings. And so, of course, I mean, the public has – the American public has an absolute right to know what's in that exchange 50 years later.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
It's just – it's frustrating as an American citizen. I don't have any kind of real agenda here other than it's my country. I'm a shareholder in America, as are you. And I think we have an absolute moral right and a legal right to know this 50 years later. Well, I really appreciate your taking all this time, Jefferson Morley. And I hope you don't mind if we check in with you to see if –
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yeah, I mean, it's fulfilled.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Amazing. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tucker. Let's talk again. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to Tucker Carlson dot com to see everything that we have made the complete library. Tucker Carlson dot com.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
So you've got the perspective on this question. How many times has the Congress, for example, or previous administrations called for disclosure of these documents? This is not the first time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Yes, clearly they don't. And, you know, they violated even more basic law when they apparently participated in the murder of a sitting president. So, I mean, these are lawless. These are lawless agencies, obviously. But where are these documents? Do you have any idea?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And I'm assuming that the second set that you refer to are at the CIA?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Will we know whether we've received the entire corpus or not?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Well, but they, I mean, it's kind of abrupt. I mean, it's only been 62 years. Maybe they haven't had time to kind of prepare everything.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
OK, what what's your guess as to why they're holding so tightly? And I can just say I'm sure you know this, but as of last month, there was pressure in Washington to appoint or not appoint certain people based on the likelihood they would push for declassification of these documents. In other words, they're federal bureaucrats right now for whom withholding these documents is a high priority.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I just think that's amazing. What do you think that is?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
You first wrote about the JFK assassination for The Washington Post in the spring of 1995. So that's 30 years of serious reporting on one topic, which is admittedly a vast topic, but still one topic. Yes. Yeah. What's it like to see this announcement?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I mean, not knowing much about the process, but just employing common sense, you'd think, well, you know, 62 years, you've had time to scrub the stuff that's incriminating. Are we confident that these documents still exist?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
but whose existence has been verified. So it's not like it's up to the current leadership of the CIA to define what the documents are. We know what the documents are. It's a matter of them handing them over. And if they don't hand him over, it'll be because the new CIA director, John Ratcliffe, has said, I don't want to hand him over. And we'll know that.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
No. I mean, he is, you know, he's a loyal Trump guy. Yeah. And Trump has been talking about this for years. Trump is bitter that he was talked out of releasing those files by Mike Pompeo. Right. Former CIA director under him. He's mad about that. He said that in public.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And so, you know, it's hard for me to believe that Radcliffe would withhold information especially something that we know exists. I just don't see that happening. So you're aware of the Amaryllis Fox Kennedy tussle behind the scenes. So will you tell us what you know about that?
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
Right. It seems like it's going to be kind of hard to get out of it because there are informed people like and especially you paying attention. I'm a little less confident on the Martin Luther King assassination files. And I think of all of these crimes, there are three. There's the murder of Bobby Kennedy, the murder of JFK, the murder of MLK.
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JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
I think that story is the official story is the least plausible. I mean, it's actually ridiculous that he was murdered by a prison inmate acting alone, but some without a job. But somehow that prison inmate winds up going to Canada, then the UK, then is heading to South Africa with two forged foreign passports. And he did that all by himself. Like, that's just I mean, come on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
And so clearly there was a conspiracy to murder Martin Luther King. I mean, I don't think any normal person thinks otherwise. And certainly those the details. So are we going to like what do you think we're going to find there?
The Tucker Carlson Show
JFK Assassination Expert Reacts to Trump’s Effort to Declassify Files, and What You Should Expect
What are the chances that we get full disclosure in the next month or two, or what seems like full disclosure, and every media story says, see, there's nothing there?
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So by your definition we just solved the mystery right there.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ich denke, das ist die Gespräche, die ich hatte mit den...
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Privacy should be a right for all citizens in this country. It's a prerequisite to freedom. No privacy, no freedom. Unfortunately, in America, privacy is a luxury. So who gets the luxury of privacy? You don't. We don't. Privacy is given to government agencies. They've got millions of classified documents, actually over a billion in this country. Vielen Dank für's Zuschauen.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Um eine Basis zu setzen, was ist der 10-Jahre-Survival-Rat für Pancreatik-Kanzer?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
So it's a circle.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Und das ist der vermisste Link, den ich glaube... Es klingt so, als würdest du beschreiben, was die schlimmste Menschen-Hilfe-Krise in der Geschichte sein könnte.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Das ist sicherlich mein Verständnis, weil ich viele Menschen überlebt habe. Also, advanced pancreatic cancer is a death sentence. Wo siehst du es jetzt?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Und das ist es. Ich hoffe es. Du hast dein Leben über schreckliche Krankheiten verbracht. Das war dein Leben. Und wenn du schrecklich bist, dann ist das kein gutes Zeichen.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Nein.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Aber du hattest nie Covid, weil deine Schutzzellen so stark waren?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Get it out. Wait, I just want to pause here. I know you're in the midst of a much larger story, but this is something I think everyone can understand. So I think I'm in good health. I am in very robust health. Did you have COVID? I did. How many times? One. I never took the vaccine. Okay. But I got COVID. Knocked me right on my butt. It was a bad three days. Fine. But I don't understand.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
You're older than I am. How did you never get... I just want to... Es ist sehr spezifisch. Ich meine, jeder auf der Welt hat Covid. Lass mich dir eine Idee geben. Eine, weil wir die Bedeutungen verstehen.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Es ist ein bisschen seltsam, dass du in 20 Minuten es mir erklärt hast, nicht besonders hoch IQ, nicht ein Wissenschaftler. Ich verstehe genau, was du sagst. Warum ist es nicht offensichtlich für Virologisten, warum ist das nicht wie die erste Lektion in der Virologie-Schule, dass die T-Zellen, die Zellen, die dich gegen alle möglichen internen Schäden schützen, die sind die Schlüssel?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Dogma. Blindspots. Nicely put. Okay, I'm sorry, I keep stepping on your story.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Und wir hatten gerade Frühstück. Das war es. Aber kann ich... Okay, also, du entdeckst früh... Jeder ist über Covid panikiert, okay? Aber deine Position ist, dass sie für die falschen Gründe panikiert sind.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Und tatsächlich sind sie vielleicht nicht so panikiert, wie sie sollten sein, weil dieses Virus den Weg für den Kanzer schützen könnte, weil es das Immunsystem des menschlichen Bodies zerstören würde.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Okay, so I should just say, I alluded to it earlier, but you had a couple of companies making cancer drugs. You owned all of them. I mean, you owned, I think, 100% of the companies. You sold them for $10 billion or something. But rather than buy a vineyard, you continued in your work. Is that fair? Very fair. You know, as I said to you over breakfast, I had no idea about stocks.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Also...
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ich drücke uns immer wieder weg, weil es hier viel Interessantes gibt, aber wie bekommst du nicht Covid?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Untertitelung.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
A non-infectious pandemic of cancer, including deadly cancers. Correct. Like pancreatic. In your career, which I think is about 50 years of working on this, how many 13-year-old pancreatic cancer patients have you seen?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Vielen Dank.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ich denke, das letzte Wahlkampf war in Teilen darüber. Ich denke, die nationale Realisierung, dass Covid... Es war etwas sehr Dunkeles dort. Es war nicht nur ein Virus, das uns natürlich passiert ist, dass es... dass es... dass es eine Menge Schlechtes in es verbunden hat. Aber nur um einen Moment zurückzukehren.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Du hast gesagt, du hast gelernt, von dem, was Covid betrifft, dass nur wenige Menschen so viele schmerzen können. Wer sind diese Menschen?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Aber die lustige Sache ist, dass du ein Produkt gemacht hast, und das ist eine Erklärung von Termen. Mein Verständnis war, dass eine Impfung eine gesundheitliche Person anbietet, um ihn von der Krankheit zu vermeiden. Du beschreibst ein Produkt, das du gemacht hast, das du in eine infektiöse Person injizieren kannst, und es heilt die Infektion.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Das klingt mehr wie eine konventionelle Medizin als eine Impfung. Eine Therapeutik. Eine Therapeutik.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Merkst du eine Unterschiede in der Virilität des Kanzers, der Geschwindigkeit, mit der es bewegt?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Unglaublich. Er wurde enttäuscht, nicht nur enttäuscht, aber auch verletzt von vielen Leuten im medizinischen Veranstaltungen. Ich würde sagen, von jedem. Warum warst du bereit, ihm zu hören?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Aber in der Wissenschaft sollte keine Frage erlaubt werden? Genau.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Because you'd be out of a job. Tweeting stuff like that.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Time for another true life Alp story. I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday, honestly, true story, who said his girlfriend had just broken up with him over Alp. He wouldn't stop. And I thought to myself, that's kind of sad. And he said, no, it's not sad. Imagine if I'd married her. Now I know. I was saved.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Then the next day, this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American city, pulled over by a cop in a speed trap. Cop takes his license registration, goes back to the patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks in the window and sees a tin of Alp on the dashboard. Pauses. Stunned, says to my friend, you use Alp? Yeah, I do, says my friend. So do I, says the cop. We all do.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, drive safely, sir, and hands back his license and registration. No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Alp and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nicotine. In a nation of 350 million people are guessing there are about 350 million ALP stories. Email us yours.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
We want to know and read it on the air. Email tellall at alppouch.com. Tellall at alppouch.com. Give us your ALP story. We have to take the conflicts out too. I mean, if a reviewer is paid by the company whose drugs he's reviewing... Das ist so ein offensichtlicher Konflikt, in keinem anderen Weltraum würde das akzeptabel sein.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ich meine, ich weiß nicht, wenn das in einem anderen Land, außerhalb der Vereinigten Staaten, und ich bin ein Amerikaner, also gebe ich den Vereinigten Staaten jeden Vorteil von jedem Zweifel. Es dauert mich immer, bis ich merke, dass etwas korrupt ist, weil es Amerika ist, es ist nicht korrupt.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Aber wenn das passieren würde, ich nenne nur den Land, China, Südafrika, du weißt, ich wäre so, dass das die größte korrupte Sache, die ich jemals gehört habe.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
So that's not good. Not good. Because the idea was we offshore all the manufacturing, but the ideas generate here.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Es geht um das Immunsystem. Dein Körper funktioniert, du lebst oder du stirbst durch das Immunsystem.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ich weiß, dass das nicht so ist. Patentable, this is not your business. What are some of the obvious things a person can do to strengthen his immune system?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Was könnte dies möglicherweise verursachen?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
So that's why I think this is... I like obvious observations. Nature is all about sunlight, of course. Plants don't grow without sunlight.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
You see it too in the elderly. It's why an infection or a diabetic foot infection can lead to a systemic infection and kill the person.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
And when you started, it seemed like we were moving in the West toward the elimination of cancer. Smoking was a huge emphasis, get rid of tobacco and cancer rates will drop. Obviously smoking does cause cancer. And we got rid of it basically, but cancer rates went up. And that is a very rarely remarked upon mystery that really bothers me.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
But that's a consensus now, right? Acid does not cause ulcers.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ja.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Das ist überraschend. Das ist experimentell. Das ist ein bisschen mysteriös. Verluste ich etwas?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
I don't know anything about this. You know, I was a Russian studies major, but I have no just because I'm 55. I know a lot of cancer patients. I have always been skeptical that the protocol is effective based on. So what I have noticed is those therapies seem to beat back the cancer short term. Aber so oft ist es so, dass du siehst, dass sie wieder zurückkommt.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ich bin in Rettung, und dann, wham, kriegst du von einer Tidal Wave des Kanzlers und bist eliminiert.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Also was, okay, also sagen wir mal, ich liege hier und bin mit einer ernsthaften, leidenschaftlichen Form von Krankheit beurteilt. Was würde du mir als nächstes empfehlen?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Importantly. I was asking, you're describing cancer as almost like an autonomous entity that has a goal, a will to destroy the human body. It does. But that's, I mean, you're describing like a... It's a machine. But with intent and kind of clever behavior, it hides, like what? You're describing like some foreign entity in the body that's trying to kill the body. It is. It's like a virus.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
And so the protocol is you administer low-dose chemo to identify where the tumor is.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Wie viel menschliches Schmerz ist in dem betroffen? Es gibt viel im konventionellen Kurs der Kanzertherapie. Alles als Aus-Patient.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
So someone taking this course is not going to, is he going to lose his hair? Oh, there's an outpatient. What's even more exciting... Because that matters for cancer patients. I mean, it's hard to be a cancer patient. It's horrible.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
So could, looking back, do you think it was unwise to require the population to get the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Could there be any change to a person's DNA? Well, that's what this does.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Well, as someone who's clearly, you've made reference to it a couple of times, interested in evolution, to change the DNA of a species is to change the species over time.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Das Virus will dich lebendig. You're speaking in a way that suggests intent and forethought.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
I don't know, but to consider the possibility you have something, or the certainty that you have something within your body that is acting against your body's interest on purpose.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Vielen Dank.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Vielen Dank.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Untertitelung. BR 2018
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Wie dankbar war er?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
So Phil Anschutz... I've got some stuff I'd like to sell you.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Well, those are great reasons, as far as I'm concerned. But they come with them, the purchase comes with it. A lot of people who work at the paper, I've worked in newsrooms my whole life, and I know that they hate change, they hate the owner, no matter what. Everybody hates the owner, just on principle.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
There are a ton of unhappy people in journalism, I would say the overwhelming majority, for whatever reason, we could speculate. And they're very hard to manage. Und sie sind ungefähr 100 oder vielleicht sogar mehr Prozent links, überall, insbesondere in den sogenannten konservativen Orten, wo sie alle links sind. Also wie handelst du dich damit um?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
So you're saying, just big picture for non-specialists, of which I'm of course one, you're saying that cancer is to some extent a problem with your immune system. It is everything about your immune system. So you've got all kinds of defective cells that could become cancer or cancer in your body at all times. At all times. But your body is zapping them.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Also nur für diejenigen, die es nicht folgten, und es war eine ganze Geschichte, für ein paar Tage da, war es während der Kampagne, die Publikation, korrigiere mich, wenn ich falsch bin, wollte Kamala Harris entdecken. Und du hast gesagt, nein. Was haben sie dir gesagt? Und was hast du ihnen zurückgegeben?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
They'd already written it? They'd already written it. After talking to Kamala Harris? Never having met her. They'd never met Kamala Harris? Never met her.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Ich meine nicht, dass man das verurteilen soll. Auf welcher Basis hat die Person das gesagt?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
And that's the fundamental balance of the human body. And when that body gets out of balance, when the killer cells become suppressed or less effective, that's when you get cancer.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Was hat die Person gesagt, als du gefragt hast? Warum sagst du, dass sie die größte Konsequenz ist für den Vizepräsidenten der Vereinigten Staaten? Was sind die Fakten, die diese Entscheidung unterliegen?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Waren sie überrascht, dass du das abgelassen hast?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Why did you fire him?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Tell us, since you made billions of dollars selling your companies, but you're still involved in medical research, which I admire. Where are we now with cancer? What are you seeing in cancer rates?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Etwas verursacht die Immunsysteme der Menschen, insbesondere der armen 13-jährigen Junge, der von pancreatischem Schmerz gestorben ist. Und die Frage ist, was ist das? Und vielleicht gibt es viele Gründe, aber wir sind nicht die ersten, die bemerken, dass es einen Aufbruch in schrecklichen Schmerzen in Populationen gab, die sie nicht gewonnen haben.
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
Es ist sehr offensichtlich, nur aus dem Leben hierher. Und viele Leute haben zu Covid, dem Virus, und den mRNA-CoV-2-Vakzinen als potenzielle Gründe angekündigt. Glaubst du, dass sie verbunden sind?
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Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
So Nancy Pelosi stock tracker is one of those things that I first saw on X on Twitter, and I thought this cannot be, this is obviously fake. In fact, I didn't even consider for a second that it could be real. And then I was sent it by a buddy of mine who spent 30 years on Wall Street. Have you seen this? And I was like, is this real? He's like, it's totally real. We're just talking off camera.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
What has she done on Nvidia?
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
You know, you look at, if I look to the Congress, who are the filthiest members of Congress? Well, Dan Crenshaw would be right at the top with Pelosi. Yeah. Yep. And it's not surprising that they're... No. And he is interesting because... Wait, hold on. Before we get to that, he's his whole thing. Yeah. But I just want to close out Pelosi for a sec.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
So you've been doing this for two and a half, three years on Pelosi. Yep. And gotten – you said you've never done an interview before, which is very weird. No, no. But a lot of people I know read you a lot. So she's gotten a lot of scrutiny because of what you've done. Has her office ever reached out to you in any way? No. The office has never reached out.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
But of course, it's not a free market. And her example shows you what a rigged market it is. Yeah, of course. I mean, she's so yeah, she's benefiting from information that she has because of her position. She's not allowed to do that. She does it anyway. It's a crime. She should be prosecuted. It's certainly a moral crime. So give us some perspective.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
So she's up this fantastic number relative to like average investors, informed investors. Like how well is she done? Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Well, the funny thing, I was talking about this yesterday with a buddy of mine who's in business, but you often see retired politicians decide they're going to go get rich in business.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
in finance usually but you know in some form of pe or whatever that they think they're gonna be and they are all terrible like there's not been we're talking about pompeo thinks he's gonna get rich or pompeo and like no one wants pompeo because he's like an idiot isn't this is not his area and he's well i should say he's not he's smart but he's not a business guy no and politics and business are very different so it's especially striking to see paul this is the only way politicians can make money is through insider trading yeah
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I know. Is that fair to say? Pretty much. Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Well, it also influences their policymaking behavior. Yeah. I mean, of course, it sets up incentives that you don't want to have in your legislative branch at all. Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I have trouble laughing at that. That actually makes me feel like these people are going to hell. But I want to ask about that in two seconds. But first, you said she's the seventh most successful congressional trader.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Speaking of filthy.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Well, nobody likes her. She was bounced out of a leadership position in the Democratic Party because people disliked her so much personally.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Yeah, I knew Richard Burr. I was never against Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina. And I saw that, and it looked like corruption to me.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
How do they allow it? What are we doing? Well, we're watching corruption happen, and it's destroying any confidence people have in their government. It's priming the country for some kind of revolution, hopefully a peaceful one, but a revolution anyway. This can't continue in a democracy. So tell us about my all-time favorite member of Congress, Dan Crenshaw.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
He's out of control.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Because I think his personal life is out of control.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Not with me. I always thought he was a freak and a warmonger. Right. Really? Yeah. Weirdo. Yeah. He's a freaking warmonger. Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
It's like at 55, it's shocking for me. It's hard to accept. how corrupt leadership of the country is. It's like, I almost can't metabolize it, but I don't think anything has put it into clearer relief than what you have done. So you run Nancy Pelosi's Stock Tracker. It's incredible. First of all, I'm really glad to meet you. Yeah, no, appreciate it. And to know that you're real. Who are you?
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
If you don't allow the police to shake down speeders at gunpoint, you're going to get a worse kind of cop.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
It's crazy.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I mean, with no business background that I'm aware of. So like, how would you do that?
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
This is like you're shocking me. I'm numb to it. And when he gets called out on it, and this is one of the reasons I dislike him, and I do think that there's a lot wrong with him personally, so I do feel sorry for him. A lot wrong. I mean, I know that. But anyway, leaving that aside, the reason I don't like him is because he's self-righteous.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
If I catch you shoplifting and then you punch me in the face and scream how you're being victimized, I can't deal with that. Just admit you're shoplifting. Say sorry and I'll forgive you and move on.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I love his, I don't know his name or anything about him, but I love that feed.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
No, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And boy, is he a specialist in that area. Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I've seen it. Oh, yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Do you want to hear the answer? Because after the financial crisis that Congress helped cause, Congress runs in with Dodd-Frank, you know, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, member of the Senate, member of the House, both Democrats, and they... Yeah. Right.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
You know... I can't answer your question. Clearly, it's been very corrupt for a long time. Well, they murdered the president of the United States in 1963, and no one was ever held accountable for it. So, you know, looking back, you can say, boy, we've had big problems for a long time.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
But I can tell you as someone who grew up right in the middle of it in D.C., in Georgetown, all this stuff was going on. Like, when that COVID, those COVID trades, you started our conversation by describing how Kelly Loeffler was involved in that. Yeah. All this stuff. I was like, pardon me. I think I was the only person at Fox News who did anything on it because it was a great story.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
But even as I was doing the story, I was like, there's got to be another explanation. This can't be real. Trading on a pandemic? Yeah. Insider trading on a pandemic. Like, I was like, you have to be a monster to do that. Like, this can't actually have happened.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
No one. Here I'm talking about poor Dan Crenshaw. It was just like totally unbalanced. That won't end well. But Mike McCall is like, now we're getting really sinister here.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
He doesn't care. A couple of years ago, somebody said, I was talking to Mike McCall and he described you as a Russian agent. Really? Oh, so he's one of these guys. So I called Mike McCall and I said, listen, bitch, can I call you bitch? I, you, I think I said exactly that. You told someone I was a Russian agent. You know, like I'm from this country. I feel like I'm pretty patriotic.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
And did you say that? And he said, yeah, I did say that because the Intel briefers told me that. And I said, how old are you, son? I think he's older than I am. You believe your intel briefers? Yeah. And he said, yeah, I do. I got to give him credit. I mean, he took my call and the whole thing.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
But I was like, this guy is the most controlled, scary, stupid, but also scary person I think I've ever dealt with in Congress ever. So I guess I'm not that surprised that he's. What is it with Texas Republicans anyway? I don't know. A lot of them.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Really? Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Badger Meters, I mean, I'm not an investor, but I've never heard of Badger Meters. Neither have I. I feel better. Yeah. So you have two prominent politicians in the Congress buying Badger Meters in the same period. Just him. Oh, this is just Mark.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
And you don't think it's possible he was taking tips from Jim Cramer on CNBC?
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
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Are you in?
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Crypto. Yeah. I mean, I saw them everywhere on the road this fall.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
And the head of SSCI, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is a major player. He's not just an average senator. Like, that's a very important position in Washington, in this country, in the world. And so he would have access to a lot of information that fellow senators wouldn't have access to.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I will say this about, obviously, JD's a friend of mine, so I would defend him. You know, my instinct is to defend him, and I love JD Vance. But I would say, without knowing any details, he, like, had a legitimate, you know, career in that world before. A hundred, yeah. So you could at least say JD Vance knows what an ETF is. Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Can I ask you, is there some easy or workable way for members of Congress to put all their investments into some blind... Yeah. Blind trust? Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
who have some longitudinal stake in America. I mean, I do think that. I'm fighting for my... That's why I believe in home ownership. Because I own a piece of ground here. It's my country.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
And again, this is why, like, I don't know. Yeah, just don't use insider information that you get with my money in the car. We own all that information that belongs to us. It does not belong to Mike McCall or any of these other douchebags, corrupt douchebags like Mike McCall, who I just want to say is a corrupt douchebag. I just want to say that really clearly.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
But they don't own this information. It belongs to the public. It belongs to the U.S. government, which is owned by the people who are citizens of this country. So just stop that. Yeah. But you don't want to encourage, like, government by, you know, people who own nothing. Like, what? Government by the homeless? I want people who are like, no, my kids live here. My grandkids live here.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
This is our family farm or whatever. Like, you want that. Skin in the game. Skin in the game. I'm going to protect this country because it's mine.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
100%.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I would ban childless politicians from having too much power because it's like you're not. I just know anyone who has kids will tell you it's like you're really worried about that at a certain point. Why do you care? You're going to die anyway, but you care about the next generation, you know? Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
It's just so obviously unwise, you know. Yeah. At 85, at 75, you know, it's just harder to don't have the mental acuity. That's just a fact. It's a biological fact, but ignoring biology is one of our main pastimes at this point. I've grown up with that. Yeah.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Oh, is she really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Believes in biology.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
That's pretty funny. So tell us about the war stocks. I'm sorry. I had to calm down before you went down that. That's really dark. Do you think it's possible that people are encouraging war because they're profiting from it?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
What could possibly – and again, I'm – I've only met Mark Wayne Mullen once. He's a friend of a friend of mine who says he's great. He seemed nice. But what could possibly be the excuse for owning defense stocks if you sit on the committee that funds them?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
My hope would be, and I'm sure that's right. I mean, I guess I have stocks. I have no idea what they are. Yeah, exactly. Whatever. I've got some person doing that, I guess. But I would hope that they would be thoughtful enough that if you sit on a committee that's overseeing an industry that you would just call up to your broker and say, hey, we can't buy anything that I regulate.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Is it fair to say for non-investor, just to inform the rest of us who are not familiar with the details, to sell off your retirement accounts? You're not dicking around at that point.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Just put it in an index fund.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Well, then you could plausibly say if you had an index fund, which is just the whole market, you could just say, I'm betting on America. Great. Good for you. I want you to do that. Pro-America.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
What happens? So do you feel, this is a sidebar, but you feel as a resident of LA, Santa Monica, you've watched looting for the past two years? Because that's really what it is.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I think things fall apart when you see stuff like that. Why doesn't someone shoot them? I always think that. I only see it on video. I haven't been to a CVS in a while. I think it's like you're begging for total collapse if you allow that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
It's hard. It's hard. I mean, well, like any system is voluntary, basically. I mean, if everyone tries to subvert a system of any kind, the system will collapse. So people have to decide, like, I want to be a better person and not take everything I can. Don't be greedy. Don't be selfish. Like you show up at somebody's house, you're eight years old on Halloween and there's a huge basket.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Yeah, you're not taking every.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
They don't have Halloween in Africa because people just take every Reese's bar. But here we always have because there's a lot of self-restraint in the population. So what do you do about that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I think the fact you're watching makes a big difference. Yeah. I mean, it has to, right? I think it has. That's what I tell myself. Have you thought about calling DOJ or copying DOJ on some of these – social media posts and saying, you know, maybe there should be a criminal referral here.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Well, that's for sure.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Because there's a lot of corruption in the country now. It's not just the Congress.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I totally agree. And there should be a priesthood, a secular priesthood in charge. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's why they call them public servants.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
You know, they're giving up something to serve their country. I don't think that's unfair to ask people to do that.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
That's all of Northern Virginia.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Right there.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Yeah. No, I mean, I've spent my life there, so I'm deeply resentful. And it's also very ugly, which tells you a lot. What they do for a living is ugly. Killing people is the ugliest thing you could do. But they've also constructed an incredibly ugly world physically. Like if you drive from Dulles Airport into the city. you see not a single pretty building.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Everything is awful, and it's a reflection of their souls, in my opinion. Others disagree. Tell us, and I went right over this, I'm sorry, but about Jim Cramer. You have an inverse Jim Cramer. So if you were to invest with Jim Cramer, Would you do better or worse than, say, Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Nancy Pelosi?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Oh, Inverse Kramer. Okay, so when you're talking about Kramer, you're talking about Kramer's stupidity. Do the opposite.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
But yeah, Inverse Kramer has done 48%.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I mean, I know he's obviously not a genius, but he's employed to tell you about the stock market, but betting against him gets you 48%.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
What do you think that is? Do you think Kramer... Like, why would they employ Kramer? How could he be that bad? If you just employed like your dog. Yeah. Or a whole bunch of dogs. Get a chicken. Yeah, exactly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
So you got venture backing for all? Because it does sound like, I love everything, I love it all. But the fact that you made a business out of it is especially amazing.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
The weird thing is that I know the brother-in-law was my neighbor and a super nice guy. And I sort of knew Burr, not really, but kind of, you know? And so when you live in, and I'm only saying that, it's not unusual that I would know them because I lived in Washington my whole life. But that's kind of one of the reasons we have all this corruption is that everyone knows everybody else.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
What's so cool is that so you built a whole business mocking and simultaneously profiting from the corruption of politicians, but you're at the same time calling for an end to it. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just impossible to believe that someone whose house you've been at many times, and I have, would do something like that. The closer you are to something, the harder it is to have an alcoholic spouse. A thousand percent.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Yeah. You don't want to turn over your money to someone who is trying to eliminate all your rights. I mean, that's crazy. It's contradictory.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Right. And it changes people if they conclude that the whole... the whole deal is a scam yeah i live a lot of the year in a really rural area and my whole life the no one i knew ever took any government benefits because the idea was that we're like proud you know working-class people were not doing that and then the state brought in all these immigrants from africa
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
And gave them everything, you know, houses, phones, airplane tickets, food vouchers, free medical. Just these are immigrants getting all this free stuff. And everyone in the town where I am, which very few immigrants or people, not everyone, people I knew were like, wait a second. You know, I served in the military. I've worked, paid tax my whole life.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
I've never gotten anything from the government. Screw it. I'm putting in for any benefit I possibly can. And, you know, it's easy for me to disapprove because I'm rich. So it's like I don't have to do that, but I got it. It's like they all of a sudden realized people who've lived in this country their whole lives, you know, did a lot for the country, I would argue.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
They realized the whole thing's a freaking scam, so I might as well get in on it. If you have that attitude, man, things fall apart like that. Look at COVID.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
The PPO stuff or whatever.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
You should be shocked by it. You should fight against it. You are. I hope you get, ironically, I hope you get rich fighting against it. And I really appreciate that explanation. It was even more interesting than I thought. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Dude, you're one of the reasons I like social media. Whenever I think, oh, social media is turning everyone trans and it's bad, then I see what you do and I'm like, no, it's actually, there are some great things.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
You can't criticize any politician from the Bay Area where they're based.
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So I was raised during the height of empire, you know, our Victorian era. And you were raised in the decline of empire, sort of the post-World War era. So totally different perspective. So you're much better situated to understand what's going on, to see it clearly, to not lie to yourself about it. That's crazy.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
So Burr, just to let you know, since I'm from D.C., I don't think the head of the Senate Intel Committee can ever be charged with a crime because he knows too much.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
So you're watching this just at home because you said you're not political.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
Where are you from?
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
And by the way, it's hilarious.
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Nancy Pelosi Stock Tracker Chris Josephs: How to Get Rich by Investing Like a Politician
So you see this and you decide, that this is going on, that there's corruption, that people, that politicians are supposed to be protecting and serving the country are actually using this information to their own advantage while the country rots. How did you discover that Pelosi was a then speaker of the house was particularly successful?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I know, but let's be real. I mean, that's just silly. Look at the numbers. Are Jewish students, you know, what, 2% of the population? Are there more than 2% at Ivy League schools? Yeah. White Christian students, you know, what percentage of the population are they? 30 something? Are they 30%? Not even close.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So, like, we could just reduce it to... But it's like you can't even say that for some reason. I mean, the discrimination has been going on for 60 years against white Christians, and the numbers show it. So, like... Do you know what I mean?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Well, clearly, but you're way past that.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I guess what I worry about, just to put a finer point on what I was attempting to express, identity politics is just bad no matter who's getting hurt and no matter who's benefiting. It's just bad. It divides the country. Is there some way to just deracialize the whole thing and just return to colorblind standards in admission, hiring, and contracting?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Well, it's collective punishment is what it really is. You're saying someone who looked like you did something bad, therefore I'm punishing you, or someone who looked like you was hurt, therefore you get the benefit now. I mean, the whole thing is just like... It eliminates the idea of the individual, of the individual, the unique human soul.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
It does feel that way.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I completely agree. So back to the mayor of Chicago, what happens next?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Yeah. Do you think that could happen?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
When you initiate an investigation into the mayor of Chicago, first of all, thank you for doing that. Thank you for... I think one of the... the benefits of what you're doing is just noting something that everyone else takes for granted. As you said, people feel free to say this and you're just reminding everyone this is against federal law and it's immoral. So I think it's, it's huge.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
But when you, when you order a sister attorney generalist investigation, do you, does the staff like obey in your office?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I hate even to say this out loud, but one of the ways that someone like you rolls in, you've got a public career, so everyone knows exactly where you stand. You've been highly ferocious over the years. And so there's no question what you're going to do when you get there. You're a known quantity, and you're a massive threat to the way things operate there.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
You haven't worked in a federal agency before. There are all kinds of weird customs and laws, especially around classification. And so someone like you, they're like, ah. you know, let's trap her in something. Are you worried about that? Well, among the... I mean, Mike Flynn is the most famous example of this, but like... It is.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So you've uncovered a bunch of stuff already. And one of the things that you uncovered, I think, is part of the answer to why our cities have become so dangerous, right? And it has to do with consent decrees that, you know, have been forced on cities and police departments by the federal government. Can you explain how that has worked?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Who comes up with those guidelines?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Do they have a lot of experience policing big cities?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Cops are— Can I just ask what—I mean, ultimately, you know, the purpose of a system is its effect. So you could say, well, people don't—no one wants crime. But, like, over time, if the DOJ is causing more crime in America's cities, they want more crime. Like, what is that?
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They cried? Brandon Johnson, mayor of Chicago, tell us how he appeared on your radar.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Any idea what the motive is there? Other than just to burn down the civilization?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Can you imagine how many bad cops there are going to be soon? No normal person wants to be a cop. It's too hard. It's not worth it. You get imprisoned in Philadelphia. I was talking to a cop in Philadelphia last week. I'm retiring. Everyone's gone. Like you do anything, you go right to jail as a cop. If you enforce the law, you go to jail. It's not worth it.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Being addicted to illegal narcotics disability?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I thought it was a crime or a failing at very least.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Actually, so if I'm addicted to meth, I have special protection?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
And the federal government is doing that?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
What are the criteria that government lawyers use to like reach the conclusion that there's systemic racism that requires a dissent decree? Like, I don't really understand. It's one thing to say in an MSNBC segment, there's systemic racism. But if you're a Civil Rights Division attorney, you have to prove it, correct?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Since racism is an attitude that can have manifestations, of course, but it's really like a mindset... How do you prove that?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Anyone who's been to Memphis, it's such a wonderful place. I love Memphis. But if you come away thinking, you know, the real problem in Memphis is racism, then you're a liar.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
It's like the ANC or something. But, you know, in the end, like Memphis also has not only the country's highest murder rate or one of them, like the worst schools and like contaminated water and crumbling housing stock and like no businesses. And there's so many problems. And if you just think it's like white people are the problem, nothing ever gets fixed.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Wait, they quit because you informed them of the law?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
That's so weird. You're a city councilman in a city and you want the crime rate to go up? Like, what is that? I think it's the weirdest, most suicidal thing I've ever heard.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
That is like the craziest thing I've ever heard.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
They're begging to be punished by the feds for crimes that they probably didn't commit.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
But they want to be punished. Spank me harder, Daddy.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So they thought that this part of the Department of Justice was just immune to democracy? It has been. Elections just had no bearing on this?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So in the end, the lawyers get rich and more people get shot to death.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Wow, it's just so evil. It makes you think like, maybe we just burn the system down and start again.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So that's the definition of the deep state, what you just described.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
That's the environment that produced Brandon Johnson, where you could just like openly be racist. No, I don't like Jews. I don't like whites. I don't like blacks. Who talks like that?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Elections have no effect. It's like there's no way to control these people. They act totally independently from the democratic system. I mean, that's the problem right there.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Because they want more people living on the sidewalk? If you take three steps back, it's like so dark, so diseased. You want more violent crime. You want more drug abuse. You want more people living on the street. Why would you want any of that?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
It's interesting. I mean, I didn't know any of this. And but it's part of the explanation for why we have more of all of those things. You look around, you're like, I don't recognize this. Like I grew up here. We never had any of this. Why do we have it now?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
And part of the answer clearly is what you're describing, which is an attempt by elements of the Department of Justice to like create these outcomes.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
My bills as in billing? As in payment to me?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So just to be clear, you have half of your staff attorney positions unfilled because you don't have the budget to hire new lawyers, ones who might actually want to follow the law. But we somehow have the money, even post-Doge, to pay monitors a million dollars a year to oversee arrangements that lead to more violent crime.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Does anyone ever consider the fact that violent crime causes racism, actually? is true when people are afraid first of all people are afraid they become much less reasonable i think everybody does it's just like a human response right
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Is there anything you can do about the consent decrees already in place?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I mean, I thought the legal profession was self-policing through the bar. I don't understand why nobody is ever disbarred except for like representing Donald Trump. I don't understand that. Where is the bar, the state bars?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Amazing.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Well, that's an amazing story. I didn't even know that was happening, but it explains a lot. So basically, you just got there to run this division. Six weeks ago. It's incredible. So there's probably so many things that you're looking at that you want to examine that have been going on that most people, including me, didn't know about. What are some of those things?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I don't like it when they hassle the Scientologists. I didn't like it when they hassled the Orthodox Jews in Borough Park during COVID. I'm not Jewish or Scientologist, but I agree with you. People of faith have an interest in religious freedom.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
High school students?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
I think you're a hero, Harmeet. And I will say you're one of the only people in all of Washington, D.C., who doesn't really want to be invited to Politico's White House Correspondents Dinner Party.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So great. Armeet Dhillon, the Assistant Attorney General of the United States.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
You half your lawyers quit.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Who'd you replace them with?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So my understanding was doge was going to be applied to like the fat in government, right? But like DOJ is kind of central institution in the country and having lawyers who can equally apply the law and sort of end lawfare, be honest and principled, that's important.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So in the end, the lawyers get rich and more people get shot to death.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
So, first of all, thank you for that. I was just thinking of you, I should say, my former attorney and a great attorney going in to run the Civil Rights Division. I mean, they must have just died when you showed up.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
it's just so evil. It makes you think like, maybe we just burn the system down and start again. Thank you, Harmeet. Your assistant attorney general, one of the greatest appointments from my perspective in this administration, running the Civil Rights Division. What was it like when you showed up? What did you find when you got there?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
These are all indications.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Yeah, equally. Equally. Because we're all American citizens.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Well, you would think. And actually, I'm laughing, but it's terrifying what's been happening there. And I'm truly grateful that you're there. So, Brandon Johnson, mayor of Chicago. Yes. Tell us how he appeared on your radar and what the response is.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
You had to yank their tax exemption, those freaking churches.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
His predecessor, Lori Lightfoot, said at a press conference, I'm not talking to white people. I don't like them. I'm not talking to them. I'm not answering any questions from white reporters. And no one did anything about it. So that's the environment that produced Brandon Johnson, where you could just like openly be racist. You know, I don't like Jews. I don't like whites. I don't like blacks.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
No, who talks like that?
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
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Every time I hear someone in the administration talk about this, they frame it around Israel, which I find infuriating. Not because I'm against Israel, but like, what does Israel have to do with it? They're discriminating against American citizens.
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Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption
Why, from a public relations perspective, wouldn't it just be better to stick to the principle that in the United States, you can't use government money to discriminate against American citizens on the basis of race? Like, why not just say that?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Thank you for coming on to explain this. I mean, my one frustration, I believe in what the White House is doing. I don't think enough Americans understand it. So I don't think there's anyone better at explaining it than you. I mean, you're the trade representative. What about our current system needs to be changed? Why is it important to do this, to institute tariffs, to rethink trade?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Yeah.
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So Clinton, for the most favored nation status, that was something that Clinton set it up, but Bush signed it.
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I remember very well. Yeah. Johnny something or other.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
When life expectancy in an advanced country goes backward, I don't think there's any clearer sign of an emergency. I mean, that's the one thing you can't fake when people die.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
It's bad for everybody. It's actually bad for the rich as well as the poor when you have a stratified class system like we're getting, which didn't exist. By the way, spend three weeks in Australia, which is a country with a lot of problems, but it's still a middle-class country, and you can feel it in the way people talk to each other and their attitudes. We're all sort of in this together.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
You do not get that sense in a pyramid-shaped social structure at all. And that's the biggest change of my lifetime is the end of the middle class as a majority and the end of the egalitarian spirit that defined America, that Anglo egalitarianism, which is not a feature of other countries. So, no, I couldn't agree more. It makes me hate the people in charge for ignoring this stuff.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
So what do you do about it?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Which are, in effect, trade barriers.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Yeah, it was 2003.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
I think a lot of people, some people anyway, in Washington for sure, have given up on the idea that America can be a manufacturing power once again.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Can you explain that measurement one more time? It's what we own here versus what others own here?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
If it doesn't bother you who owns the country, if it doesn't bother you what's happening to the people who live in the country, then I think it's fair to assume you have no love for the country. How did people who have no love for the country end up running the country?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
How tiny a minority of economists believe what you believe? Like how out of step are you in Washington right now?
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What did they build there in your hometown?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Okay.
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What's your hometown like now?
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The whole United States.
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And being proud of your job is a huge part of the formula for a healthy, strong, stable nation. If there's a huge difference between making something and being a mortgage broker, I'm sorry.
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What did your dad do?
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Wow.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Are there any Lighthizers left? You know, there are – In the town?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Did you go to high school there?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
The guys you grew up with, are any of them still there in the town?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
We've got to care about every American.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
There's nothing I want more than that for the country.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
And you can hear the bitterness of my voice as someone who spent his life in D.C., but I just want to say once again that all of these changes were defended and explained by a whole field of academic study and the propaganda that it supported coming from Washington, the free market think tanks, Cato, AEI especially, basically tried to tell you for 40 years as you watched your country die that this was all good.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
And I do think they should be publicly shamed for that if not held accountable.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
They were just the instruments, right.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
I mean, the city had a collective heart attack when you became United States trade representative.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
yeah the business community um so you said there were um if you take a system that's been in place for generations which the current one has been even if it doesn't work well even if it hurts your country changing it is still or changing anything that's been in place a long time is still a major lift and it has you know turmoil that accompanies it
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
So can you just be more specific about what sort of turmoil you anticipate as this administration puts into place this new system?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
So what's the president done so far and what do you anticipate he will do going forward?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
So there are a lot of fine motor skills involved.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
So of all the – I just want to go back to the downside for a second, short-term downside – So of all the potential effects of changing our system to the one that you described, it seems to me that inflation is certainly as a political matter and an immediate matter the scariest. First of all, it's really easy to measure. Second, it – or it's obvious. I don't know if it's easy to measure.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
It's very obvious to people when the things they buy – regularly become more expensive. So, I mean, I just want to linger on this for a second. To what extent are we going to see increased inflation because of this?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
We have inflation because we've done the opposite. We've made energy more expensive.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
That's precisely right. OK, China. So you mentioned Germany, obviously the beating heart of Europe. It's decided to commit suicide. So who knows where Germany will be? It's hard to see Germany as like a real threat to our economy. I mean, I can't predict it, but it seems it seems like it's really a conversation about China.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
So let's look at- Wait, can I suggest a fourth group?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Might be people who look at the current situation and say, yes, China's an adversary. Yes, China's economy is larger than ours. Yes, the future belongs to China. We're not equipped for a confrontation with China, either economically or militarily. And so we have to kind of figure out how to deal with the inevitable.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Well, it's kind of lie back and think of England kind of thing. Like it's going to happen. While England slept.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Right, well, it's the capitals to say the rope will hang you.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
We've also seen like a lot of the world's population move here. Like the country's completely changed from 2000.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
uh investments so that it's in the interest of the country so i think we need a heads-up kind of a policy we can't keep going on the direction i agree they also bribed the last president if i could just say very obviously um which is kind of a big deal it's been ignored uh how do we regulate investment in china
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Right, so you can't invest in Iran, you can't invest in Russia, you can't invest in Venezuela right now.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
No, but I'm just saying, like, we do have all kinds of controls about where Americans can invest their money, but they don't apply to China.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
And you're saying they should.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
The howling that will occur if you try to restrict the ability of American citizens to get rich in China will be really loud.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
You're absolutely right. How do the financializers get rich in China?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
They're politically powerful.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
If you were to, this is obviously just broad strokes here, but if you were to radically reduce the amount of manufacturing that American companies outsource to China, could you take up that slot? How long would it take to replace that manufacturing with manufacturing?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
I think that's right. A stable Mexico is in our— Exactly.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
One of the things I've learned from traveling is that a lot of other countries like dealing with China because they're easier to deal with. There's no lecturing about democracy or transgenderism, rights for various groups, whatever. They don't feel as manhandled as they do by their experience with American government officials. Would it be helpful for the U.S.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
government to take a less hectoring tone around the world?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Well, exactly.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
It is. But we also, it seems to me, hamstring ourselves by our posture toward other countries. Like, it is very off-putting to have... American officials come into your country and start telling you that your, like, ancient way of life is immoral.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
I wouldn't invite someone like that to dinner at my house.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
So, one of President Trump's ideas, I don't know if it's been fully articulated, but it's very obvious from watching, is that we can reestablish some sort of economic relationship with Russia once this war is resolved, God willing. Could that happen? To what extent could that benefit the United States if it did?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
The Europeans are grudge holders, I've noticed. Okay, you said you're trying not to be partisan. I think you've done a great job because not all of these are partisan questions. But in practical terms, what do you assess the chances of the Democrats, any Democrats, supporting Trump on this program?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
I mean, traditional Democrats would have supported this.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
That's incredible.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
And sounds achievable. So last question is about markets, equity markets, the S&P, the NASDAQ. That seems, I mean, that's the main measure that the media use to gauge the health and trajectory of the economy, as you know. So, I mean, there are shows on TV just about markets. Do you think that's an accurate measure?
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Actually, markets are supposed to equity markets supposed to reflect the value of the companies in which you buy equity. Right. So it should be like the measure should be like, how's the company doing? Right.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
But it's kind of weird for the Fed.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Wow.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
Bob Lighthizer, that was an amazing tour through the past and I hope the future, and thank you for doing that.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
And it was just one suck-up question after. Mr. Lighthizer, you're a very handsome man. What's your secret? No, I just agree with you. And I'm just so grateful to hear someone explain it clearly for non-economists. I think it's very important. I think it's been neglected. And I hope this helps. Great. Thank you. Thank you.
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We definitely pretended it for sure.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
But they all ate at Denny's.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
This seems like a recipe for social instability and ultimately for revolution.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
It hasn't been an accident. It doesn't feel necessarily like we've evolved into this. It feels like we've been guided into this, that this is a result of calculations and an ideology that still exists most prominently in the pages of The Wall Street Journal, which let me just say is a disgusting, dishonest newspaper.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
But even if you like The Wall Street Journal, they have a very clear ideology, which they've promoted along with almost everybody in Washington today. That free trade is the path to prosperity. And then, in fact, it's like a moral imperative. Like if there's something dirty about abandoning free trade, what is that? Obviously, you know a lot about this since you've lived in Washington a long time.
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Bob Lighthizer: Why Trump's Tariffs are the Only Way to Save the Middle Class
By name? Yeah. Oh, me too.
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Well, the difference between Toria Newland and Mike Pompeo is negligible. There's no difference at all that I'm aware of. He may be slightly smarter. He's smarter than she is and therefore more sinister. But they have the same views on everything.
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Would you be able to go to Ukraine right now?
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There's also the question of violence, which everyone ignores. They've committed violence against the church you represent. They've also committed a lot of violence. A lot of people have been killed. Noncombatants have been killed by the Zelensky government. And people I know have been targeted for assassination, including a head of state in Europe.
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And so I don't know why that doesn't get any coverage. Like you would be afraid to go to you. You're an American citizen. You're an attorney. You have clients in Ukraine. It's our client state. And yet you would be afraid to go there.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
How did the Ukrainians, so, I mean, 15 years ago, my whole life, Ukraine, you know, it's the largest country and the most corrupt country in Europe. It was an afterthought. Lots of weed is grown there, very pretty women, but it's Ukraine. It's not central to anybody's geostrategy. And all of a sudden you wake up and Ukrainians seem to be in charge of the U.S. government. How did that happen?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
I will say, knowing the Russians, very smart, lead the world in chess and engineering, but they're just embarrassing on the propaganda question. They're bad. They're bad. Embarrassing. They are. They're bad. I mean, I'm not, you know, I like Russia, but I'm not. It's just a fact. They're not good at that stuff at all.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Well, there's some kind of unspoken motive here because none of this makes any sense. I mean, Ukraine is so far outside of our orbit. Ukraine, it's not one of those countries I thought had any influence over American foreign policy or public discourse at all. And all of a sudden, you can't even say an obvious truth about the country or you get in trouble or in my case, you get fired or whatever.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
What is that actually about? What are the deeper interests here? Do you have any clue? Look, as I said – No other country could do that no matter how sophisticated the propaganda is or almost no other country.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Well, he's the definition of a dictator. He's an unelected strongman who's eliminated his opposition.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
It seems to me, having used the drug myself many years ago, he seems like he's on cocaine to me. I don't know that. I have no evidence of it. I hear a lot of people say that. Have you heard that? I've heard it. A lot or just impassive?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
I hear it a lot, including from people in Europe who know him. Again, no. But is that widely believed in Ukraine? Do you know?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
That's like full Nazi propaganda.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So you're referring to Russian energy shipments. So Russia has a ton of energy. The world needs a ton of energy. but these sanctions make it impossible to conduct straightforward business. So they're going through what you call transit companies and countries, and they're doing all kinds of subterfuge to cloak this, but everyone knows what's happening. This is what you're referring to?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Who's doing this? Like, honestly, what is this? Because it was obvious to me the day Russia invaded, which I didn't think would happen, and I was opposed to, of course. But the first day this happened, I thought, they're going to get rid of the U.S. dollars, the world's reserve currency. That's exactly what this is. All of this seems like an attack on the West to me. Right. Who is behind this?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
It's kind of hard to skip over you and your role in all this. You're the only American attorney who's worked in Ukraine who I have seen who's telling the truth about what's actually happening there. And for doing that, you've been called a Russian stooge, a Putin worshiper. Your character has been impugned.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Why would... You know, why would U.S. policymakers be – why would Toria Newland want that? I mean, that just seems cruel and awful.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
But I thought that, I mean, I thought this was the key indelible lesson of the 1940s. That when governments decide that some people don't have human rights because of their genetic makeup, it winds up with mass murder and it's bad for everybody. And so we're never doing that again.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
We're never going to allow any demagogue or group of demagogues to say that group right there is not entitled to human rights and we're going to hurt them. I thought that was the lesson. I'm 55. I grew up in a country that, remember that?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
can you just take a couple minutes tell us who you are why are you representing the orthodox church in ukraine um are you a putin puppet look um for 45 years
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So in September, we went across the country, coast to coast, 17 different cities on a nationwide live tour. And it was amazing. We brought the entire staff with us like we always do because we all work together for so long and enjoy traveling together. And one of our producers is a documentary filmmaker.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
And so he decided to make a documentary film about our trip, a full month across America with some of the most interesting people around. Different people join us every single night. Bon Gino and Russell Brand and Bobby Kennedy and J.D. Vance and Donald Trump, et cetera, et cetera. We had the best time.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
And the fruit of that is a documentary called On the Road, the Tucker Carlson Live Tour, which is available right now on TCN. On the Road, Tucker Carlson Live Tour is hilarious. You will like it.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So you said that you went up to the U.S. Congress and you tried to get the attention of members. J.D. Vance was the only one who would listen to you out of 100 senators. What about in the House?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Especially since we're paying for it. Have you ever voted for a Republican in your life? Never. You just wanted to be clear about that. So you were arrested by Putin and you've never voted Republican. So just want people to understand where you're coming from here.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
To my knowledge— They cover Ukraine all day long, but they've never mentioned that the government banned a Christian denomination.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
This is like Soviet what's going on. They're banning religion and creating a state church.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Can I ask you what may be an unanswerable question? So you were describing the effects of the Ukraine war on the West and on the United States, and it's basically knocking the U.S. from its perch, and it's causing all kinds of problems, the loss of the U.S. dollar, the alignment, the permanent now alignment between Russia and China. Can
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
If you were China and you were trying to assert yourself as a global power, which they have every right to do, in my opinion, but you're trying to subvert the United States like you would do everything you could like whose interest is being served in this. And it seems like the Chinese interest is being served.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So if you have our entire media, our entire political establishment is all in on this thing that hurts the United States. Is it possible that China has a role in that?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
I just want to be clear on this. You were arrested by the Putin government at 2 a.m. in Moscow?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Well, that is exactly right.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
They are. And there's massive Chinese investment in Russia right now. Massive. And it's very noticeable when you go there. Why is this country so prosperous? There's a war going on, a real war, too.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
And the answer, in part, is because there's huge Chinese investment in Russia, and that's solidifying a relationship based on mutual benefit, I would say, to the point where it's not going to be broken.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Like, completely agree, and I travel a lot, so I see the effects, you know, everywhere. So you've mentioned that Europe, for whatever reason, I still think it's baffling, but is all in on this, completely all in on it. Keir Starmer, Prime Minister of Great Britain, just said that they're signing some hundred-year defense deal with Ukraine. It's insane. Germany, same thing-ish.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
China, we know, is benefiting to some extent. India, you said, is a massive beneficiary of all this stuff. What about the Middle Eastern countries? What about the Arab world and Israel? What interest do they have here? What connection do they have to the Ukrainian war?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Yes.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
the orthodox the ukrainian orthodox church so that it can survive for another thousand years it's it's just interesting though um i'm just asking these questions because i know that you represent clients in a bunch of different countries and have for almost 50 years and you travel a lot but it does seem like this is part of the cost of a world the west no this is not true in the east by the way but in the west the only history people know is kind of a half-baked you know kind of a twitter version of world war ii
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
And everything is through the same lens. And it's like, this isn't Munich actually, as you point out. And maybe ignorance is part, people are very inflexible in their minds.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Have there been any media outlets at all globally? Let's just stick to the United States and Great Britain, English-speaking media, who've been willing to give you a fair hearing.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
The Wall Street Journal is completely cut off from reality. The Wall Street Journal is actually every bit as dishonest as The New York Times in my read, but much stealthier about it. And it has this kind of unbreakable relationship with late middle-aged right-wingers that, you know, it uses to spew lies and stupidity and propaganda. Yeah.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Some have reached out to me. So it's pretty clear that Zelensky's in charge, but is he really? You referred a couple of times to Andre Yermak. Yes. Who is that?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
You've told us something that I didn't realize, which is that the U.S. government established a fake state church in a foreign country, which is obviously unconstitutional, but also Soviet. Right. I've also noticed this other trend, which I don't really understand, but it seems equally bad, which is to try and change the culture of the Slavic country. Slavic countries are traditional.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Can we just back up for one second? So you're a, I think it's fair to say, broadest terms, a Jewish liberal from the Bronx who was arrested by Putin. How did you wind up representing the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine? Why was that important of all the cases you could take? Why that one?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
They believe in gender roles, for example. And there does seem to have been and continue to be this effort from the U.S. State Department and maybe others in the U.S. government to kind of change the way Ukrainian society is ordered. Have you noticed this?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
The whole pretext for this is Russia stages illegal unprovoked invasion three years ago, so we have to defend Ukraine from Russia. Okay. At least that makes a kind of sense, true or not. But why would you want to change the religious belief of Ukrainians or the family structure of Ukrainians?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So it's sort of the same argument that a lot of Arab countries made during the Suez Crisis in 56. They had huge Jewish populations in a lot of the, you know, Morocco and Algeria and, you know,
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
thousand-year-old, multi-thousand-year-old Jewish populations, and they're like, let's see, you're Jewish, the Jews in this other country, Israel, did something we don't like, therefore we're blaming you or kicking you out. It's like, not that, because you've got the same book. You've got a canonical connection.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So they're basically worshiping a CIA coup.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So this is a state religion you're describing.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So shameful and disgusting. But we're clearly at an inflection point because, as you have said, the vice president of the United States just gave this speech at the Munich Security Conference, biggest speech given in Europe in a while, I think it was fair to say, in which he, J.D. Vance, kind of reset the terms of the relationship.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
And so if you're Zelensky, the bottom line is you're no longer in control of Washington. So where does that leave Zelensky?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Why does he think he gets he has like a moral right to run the US government? It's pretty cheeky, I'd say.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Well, the Ukrainian government took U.S. tax dollars to try to overthrow Orban, maybe to kill him. You know, so that's a fact. So that itself, you know, Hungary is in NATO. So you can't, one NATO power cannot attack another NATO power. Like, what is, this whole thing has just scrambled the eggs of the world.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Can Zelensky with, you know, we can debate what his actual approval rating is, but I mean, I would bet my house it's not over 50. Can he hang on?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So that really bothers me. Look, there are tons of dictatorships around the world, but the West is supposed to be this beacon of freedom and enlightenment, respecter of human rights, et cetera, et cetera. What does it tell you as an American, as a product of the West, that all of our big institutions seem to like the Zelensky dictatorship? They like it. I've confronted a bunch of people.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
You think it's OK to ban a church? Well, that church is pro-Russia. OK, well, you say it's not pro-Russia. I don't care if it is. You can't ban other people's religions, period. I don't care how much you dislike them. I don't care if it's Scientology or Kabbalah. It doesn't matter. Hinduism doesn't matter. You can't ban other people's religions.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
And yet I don't know anyone who's bothered by it in high position in the West. So what does that tell you about the people in high positions in the West?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
That's a diplomatic way of putting it, yeah.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
You feel that?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
That's right.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Well, you'll just be a state attorney.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So so last question. I'm not going to ask you what year you graduated law school, but thank you. But it's a while ago. You said you've been practicing for over 40 years when you graduated law school. I bet there were a ton of people with your attitudes in your class, similar similar attitudes about human rights, rule of law, politics, America's place in the world.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Now you're literally the only one left that I've met from your generation. What's it been like for you with like your friends, your peers, people you know have known your whole life. You come back and all of a sudden, you know, you're being denounced as a Russian stooge. Like what effect has that had?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
They don't care about rape on a subway platform. And if they did, we wouldn't have it. A lot of countries don't have rape on subway platforms because that's horrifying. It's a violation, the most basic violation of someone's civil rights. They what they care about is money laundering. I noticed I just read today DOJ was issuing some statement on money laundering every day. It's money laundering.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
It's because people using their money that they earned in ways that they choose to use it. That's a massive threat to the people in power.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
So when you were a kid, when you were a young lawyer, when you were in law school, Brandenburg versus Ohio, the big speech cases, those were all very well known, right, to everybody in your class. Do you think someone graduating Yale Law now has any real sense of that?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
That was the whole point of Dodd-Frank. Yes. It's like, you know, all the small guys die when the big guys can pay enough lawyers to stay within the law or the regs. Yeah, that's right. Bobby Amsterdam, I'm grateful for what you're doing and I'm grateful that you exist. And when liberals like you went extinct, everyone made fun of people like you because they're annoying.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
They're always jumping up and yelling about rights. But I was one of the only people who felt sad when your whole way of thinking died because I feel like we really needed that. And it turns out I was right. Well, thank you again. Thank you. Thank you.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Yes.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Well, you're defending a church against a dictator, but you're not allowed to appear at a religious freedom conference.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
The Foreign Agent Registration Act.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Wait, the persecutor of the Orthodox Church was given a position of prominence at a religious freedom conference. You have that right. What conference was, I mean, this sounds.
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
What about all the Christians?
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Bob Amsterdam: How USAID Is Helping Zelensky Destroy Christianity With Fake Churches and Violence
Why is it left to you? I mean, this is the point where I feel like pulling my hair out. Well, I tell you— Why is this your job? Well, and let me tell you— What about Mike Johnson and all these other Christians in the Congress are always talking about how Christian they are?
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Is that in addition to the 10? Yeah. So at least 12 million people have been encountered at our border.
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
Is there any way to move millions of Haitians into rich white liberal neighborhoods? I mean it. I mean it. The people who did this are rich white liberals in the United States who hate themselves and the country. And to punish it, they invited all these people illegally from failed countries. But they can't stand the idea of living near these people because they're racist.
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So why wouldn't you move every Haitian to Bethesda and Brookline and Aspen and Martha's Vineyard in Nantucket like today? Can we do that? I will donate money if we can do that.
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
I called the cops immediately because they're racist.
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
The problem though is that the people doing it didn't have a precise enough understanding of rich white liberal culture, but I do. So they would bus them to New York, then they wind up in Midtown and Queens. Okay, none of the people who are doing this were affected by it. But I could give you a list of zip codes where like Tony Blinken lives and stuff like that.
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because I know that world, they need to be moved into the neighborhoods of the people who are calling you racist for wanting to have laws and borders. Like they need to feel the effects of their own destruction. So just text me and I will send you the zip codes. I mean it too.
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
Because what happened is they opened the borders and then all these people like moved to Jackson, Wyoming to the least diverse zip codes in the country. They literally ran to the hills to get away from diversity.
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
Well, that's why Bernie Sanders needs a ton of Haitians in Vermont, because it's just, it's appallingly, it's blindingly white. It needs to change. I couldn't agree more. So, but just back to the cartel question.
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I don't know that much about it, but I keep hearing, I think, informed people say, man, you know, parts of New Mexico, Arizona, California, even Florida, Texas, you know, there is real control. by these cartels in the way that they control Mexico. I mean, they're basically a state within a state with their own army and armored personnel carriers and tanks and like, you know.
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Do you think that's real? Do you think they have that kind of beachhead here?
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So that's like New York plus Chicago.
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
so i um i know i'm jumping around but i have too many questions for you i read in the last three days it's hard to believe this could be true that the by administration auctioned off portions of the unfinished border wall at bargain basement prices is that true yes i actually had a conversation with senator lindsey graham two days ago someone needs to take some action because this is this is products that the taxpayers already paid for
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
And I think they hate the country more than they hate Trump even. He represents the country to them, the old country that they tried to change with immigration. Do you know Mayorkas? I know him. How would you assess him?
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
Where did you start, by the way?
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What kind of special treatment?
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
Wait, so he wanted the U.S. government to pay for hormone therapy? Yeah.
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
Do you have any, why would he want, I mean, first of all, how many transsexual illegal aliens are there?
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Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
How can a federal administrator ignore federal law? Isn't that unconstitutional? Why can't he be arrested for that?
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The fact that Congress never did anything about that is really telling.
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What do you think happened? It's so interesting. I'm glad I asked you if you knew him. I didn't know that you did. But since you do, what do you think happened to Mayorkas?
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fascinating. There's something, you watch when he talks, there's something strange, very, well, first of all, he's lying.
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And they should, you shouldn't be allowed to do that.
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I mean, we just ended African-American political power, by the way, because of the demographic changes. Just basically made it, you know, both parties have paid, especially Democratic Party, a lot of attention to what black voters want because they're a huge part of the Democratic coalition. And now that's not true. And so it's not – this is a complicated question.
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Anyone who says, oh, it's just white racism is – what does your average black person in Chicago, native-born, family been here 300 years, what does he think of watching his city overwhelmed with illegal aliens?
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Well, they should be upset.
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Well, yeah. And they also, you know, this is a democracy. So we make decisions based on population size. And if you dilute the population, you dilute the political power of the people who are born here, very much including black people. So really, it's a takeover of our government, of our democratic system. And I just want to say it for the third time, it completely disenfranchises black people.
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And they're, you know, black leaders in Congress who supposedly speak for black people. They sold them right out, actually, fact.
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But I don't understand. I mean, so when South Carolina tried this in 1861 at Fort Sumter, it kicked off a civil war. When Central High School tried this in 1957 in Little Rock, Arkansas, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne. You can't allow states to ignore federal law. I'm trying not to use the F word here. So how is that not an act of insurrection? I don't understand.
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If a mayor or a governor says, you know, we're going to ignore federal law and there's nothing you can, you can't come into our facility. How about you get a SEAL team and go into the facility? I mean, like, how is that allowed? That is insurrection. Am I missing something? I thought this is the way the system worked.
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You're taking hate from the insurrectionists?
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Can that be undone?
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Well, to the extent that he allows... officers in a state to violate federal law, Pritzker's a criminal. I mean, any, any governor who willingly flouts federal law, again, this is why we had a civil war in the United States in 1861, because South Carolina did this. So I don't know why we would ever put up with that for one second from any governor, a Republican or Democrat.
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Well, yeah, because illegal foreign citizens, non-Americans, should not be able to determine how many members of Congress you have and where they sit.
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So let me ask you about Adams. I talked to him the other day. He seemed pretty reasonable to me. I don't agree with him a lot. But on the other hand, he didn't seem crazy. And my impression is that he was indicted on what seemed like pretty silly charges by the feds because he complained about immigration in New York. I think that's what he thinks happened. Do you think that's possible?
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How many came through Canada?
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Well, that's right. And it's also, if you think about it, and I know you have thought about it, I think it's safer for everyone to have your guys arresting illegals in the Sonoran Desert than in Times Square. I mean, that's scary in a crowded city. Right.
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Where were they cops?
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It's weird that Republicans put up with that acts of insurrection. I mean, they've been yammering about the insurrection of January 6th, but a sanctuary city is a bold, unequivocal act. move toward insurrection. You're saying I'm not obeying federal law. And no one did anything about it. They made fun of them on Fox News, but they didn't send the 101st Airborne. I don't understand why.
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So you're pretty much the first person Trump chose after he got elected. I think it was the end of that week, right?
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Yeah, because it's not even about, on some level, immigration. It's about holding the country together. If parts of the country decide we're just not following the federal laws because we don't feel like it, then how is it a country? Yeah.
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What's his position going to be?
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Yep.
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I cannot resist asking you, what are these drones in New Jersey?
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Do you think that other members of the incoming Trump administration have been briefed on what the current administration thinks they are?
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Um, and how you plan to secure the border, the deportations was that that was the second goal that you had of three. Um, how many of those 12 million, uh, do you think are eligible can be deported?
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I mean, who organized this? You say it was by design. There are a lot of NGOs involved. The United Nations is involved. A bunch of religious charities, pretty evil religious charities, in my opinion, involved in this. But they seem to be coordinating with one another. Do we understand exactly what happened?
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Okay, so that's just a gimme.
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Have you – I mean, is there some legal way to designate Americans just for a temporary period as Ukrainians and just tell the Congress that money is going to Ukrainians? Wouldn't that be great? That would expedite it, don't you think? Here's $200 billion.
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Well, I can – I'm no expert, but I know members of Congress, most of them, and I know that they only respond to pain, unfortunately. And you just haven't threatened them and you're going to lose your seat and we're going to call you out by name and make you unpopular in your state and your career will be over unless you obey immediately.
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And normal people, you can reason with normal people and love motivates people. I mean, I doubt like in your house, you and your wife are threatening each other. You probably love each other, saying nice things to each other. But members of Congress are not normal people. And you really just have to, you know, grab them by the face and say, do this or suffer. And they will respond to that.
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So I hope you will do that.
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More expensive than letting in 12 million people and giving them cell phones and food vouchers and free medical care, destroying our hospitals.
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Well, they've destroyed rural America. I mean, it's just flat out. I live there.
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what's the point of a government except to ensure safety and tranquility for its people? I mean, what is the point other than to obviously kick out Assad and, and secure the borders of Ukraine, but which are the top priorities I think listed in the constitution. But, um, after that, you know, taking care of your own people seems to be important also.
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So it's so evil. I mean, I know that in El Salvador, when MS-13 ran the country before Bukele, there was a religious component of kind of voodoo witchcraft component to MS-13, where they were worshiping the devil. I mean, openly. It's a component of the cartels. You see it in Mexico as well, all through Latin America. Is that... Have you come across that?
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Right. And these are from cultures that have practiced human sacrifice for thousands of years.
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No, of course not.
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Well, it's witchcraft. It's human sacrifice. And they've, I mean, again, they're from cultures that have practiced it for, well, since the beginning of recorded history.
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What's the point of sending them a trillion and a half dollars every year? Is there a reason that we do that?
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They need to go to prison.
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I should have asked you this at the outset, but of the 12 million that you described, you came here illegally under Biden. Where were they from, roughly?
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So how does – I won't ask you. That's almost every country in the world. Think about it. I think there were, what, 199? So there were none from Vanuatu or Seychelles, but the rest came. But how was the breakdown? Like you think of – illegal immigration. Well, when I was a kid, it was from Mexico. I don't think it is anymore. Then it was Central America. Then it was South America.
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Roughly, what was the breakdown? Can you remember?
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They're hot, meaning what they've got.
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I wonder if the 47,000 Chinese that you mentioned, that's kind of what Fidel Castro did in 1980 with the Mariel Boatlift, just like empty the prisons and the mental hospitals. Why wouldn't they do that?
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Venezuela has. But has China, do you think?
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Well, they're selling drugs all over the country. They're selling drugs all over the state of Maine. Maine.
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No, because fentanyls killed the exact Americans that Biden hates and is always attacking. So, I mean, it's committed genocide against his enemies, so he doesn't seem against it at all. It's all very dark. I have to wonder, you said you used the phrase military-age males, right?
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Because this was so coordinated by these NGOs, Catholic Charities, UN, and others, you have to kind of wonder, like, is there some military purpose to this invasion? Have you wondered that?
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Yeah, high testosterone foreigners? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't want to be paranoid, but...
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Okay, so what, I'm sorry.
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What is that? 300,000 missing children. That's something else I've read reference to.
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There's nothing innocent about it, that's sick.
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And by human trafficking, is it mostly for prostitution?
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So if you go to any construction site in the United – big construction site, they're building a data center or a mall. I know this because I know a guy in the business who just told me this. Anyone in the United States, there will be child prostitutes there from Latin America brought in by the cartels for the guys on the cruise. Yeah. And I said, does everyone know this?
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He said, well, everyone knows it. I mean, it's just a fact. Every big construction site in the United States. Does anyone ever do anything about it? No, no one ever does anything about it. Wait until January 21st. I don't understand that, though. If everyone in the building trades knows that, how can law enforcement ignore it?
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So last question. I'm just interested in why you're doing this. So you did it for 40 years. Yeah, 1984, 40 years. And then you go into the private sector and you're not retired, but you get to do kind of what you want to do and make a real wage after working for the government all these years. And this problem is just so enormous. And the bureaucracy is so complex and hard to fight.
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And they always win in the end. Why would you take this job?
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Is your wife not a liberal?
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Well, it changed the culture of the United States, which is worse than any of the things that you, and more permanent than any of the things you listed. You can't run in and change people's ancient culture. You've been here for 250 years. You can't do that. No, it's the worst crime ever committed against the U.S., worse than the Civil War, in my opinion.
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So, but the question is, like, who did this and why? So, the United Nations, we pay the largest share of the U.N. budget. you know, we should have some ability to control what the UN does, but they commit this act of war against us. Do we know who did at the UN and why?
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Do you think that the fentanyl traffickers, known as the cartels, I guess, I'm not exactly sure what that means. I'd like to ask you, actually. But you keep reading and hearing that they have control of parts of the southwestern United States. First of all, what is a cartel? Who are they? Where are they from? And do you think that's true?
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Well, then why? OK, so I noticed that the incoming administration just basically toppled the prime minister of Canada. It was a thoroughly evil person called Justin Trudeau. And by just by threatening tariffs, they kind of fixed the Canada problem. Trump fixed it in about, I don't know, 20 minutes. But how much more leverage do we have over Mexico? I mean, we're the entire economy of Mexico.
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Why don't we do that with Mexico?
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I remember very well.
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There are so many nice Mexican people. I mean, most Mexican people I've met I really like. That we forget that the government's very anti-American, is not our ally in any sense. We spend all this energy being mad at Assad, whoever, who cares? And we live next to this country that's helping to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year. No one ever says anything about it.
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Don't you think it would be worth shifting some of that emotional energy and military resources to like countries right next to us who are hurting us?
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But again, given the economic leverage the United States has, that shouldn't take more than a weekend, right?
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But most of them, no. But why would the US take anybody who's, I mean, why is it our job, given our appalling track record around the world of like trying to make things better, you make them worse because the world's super complicated. Why do we have an obligation to take anybody from anywhere ever? I don't really get where does that come from.
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Port is probably a half.
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Are there real differences between them?
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On immigration, no.
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Their children. And they're also hamstringing your country, preventing it from being rich on the basis of its abundant natural resources, which Canada has, like the US, like Australia has amazing natural resources. And they're basically saying we're not allowed to use them because the Chinese don't want us to. It does seem like China controls your country. I'm just like...
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You've had political assassinations that have nothing to do with Canada at all. I mean, we have the same problem here. You know, everyone's yelling at each other about the Middle East. We've got nothing to do with the Middle East. We have a lot of people who have got a lot of strong feelings about the Middle East that have nothing to do with America at all.
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And we've got these massive protests, people yelling at each other about these faraway countries. It's totally nuts as our population withers and dies. But you have the same problem. And you've had... you know, Sikh Indian rival. I don't even understand some of it. I'm not interested. Yeah, I'm not interested. I don't think I should be interested, but you've had people killed over this.
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You know, and they're always I notice every time I see your political leaders, they're always talking about some very strong views in the Middle East. It's like a massive debate in Canada. You know, I'm kind of agnostic on it personally, but I just wonder, what does that have to do with Canada? They spend so much time talking about it.
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We don't do it. It's sad because it was. I mean, Americans always made fun of Canada, but in a sort of sweet way. And I think Canada's Canadians, a lot of Canadians always resented the United States because it's this huge country. Right. You know, I get I get all that. But in real life, Canada was always a very sweet, nice country and beautiful, truly beautiful country.
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And you have this disastrous 10 years where your life expectancy goes down, your standard of living goes down. The country really starts to fall apart and become authoritarian, the opposite of the sort of sweet Canadian culture you remember. And then your option, your option is a guy who actually agrees with the tyrant who destroyed your country. So it's almost like it's like our system.
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It's like we have Obama, who's clearly like, hey, it's America, terrible for America. But our option is John McCain and Mitt Romney. Right. who agree with Obama. It's like, it all seems fake, kind of, no?
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And so you said you can't get on Canadian media, which is... Mainstream media. It's state media, right? I mean, doesn't your government sub sort of give money to the media?
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Why not have a free media? I mean, state media is for North Korea, right? Free countries don't have state media, do they?
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So can you get your message? How do you get your message out in Canada? Today with you. Is that right? Oh, yeah. You've got to fly to the United States. Absolutely. Do Canadians look at social media?
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How were you treated by the Globe and Mail and CBC and Radio Canada? I don't exist. They don't even mention you.
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I always felt, you know, most Americans made fun of the French Canadians. I know a lot of them. I have a lot of French Canadian friends. I live near French Canada and I've always liked them and I have always defended them. And I always liked them because they defended their own culture and their own language. They're a little hard to deal with.
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You know, the rest of the French always complain about them and their license plates in Quebec and all that. But I always thought when it came right down to it, the French Canadians would defend their land, their culture, their language, their history.
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But do people in Canadian government believe that he might be?
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Yes.
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Certainly looks like it. He looks like it, yeah. One of the, I'm not for socialized medicine, I guess, but I don't have really strong feelings. I just want something that works, I guess, is what I really- But it is not working in Canada. Well, it's just sad because you would go to Canada. I've spent a lot of time there hunting and fishing.
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And even the conservative Canadians, you know, we've got this great health care system and they were so proud of their health care system. I mean, they really were. I remember very well 30 years ago, they would always tell you and they were a little bit insecure and defend, you know, we're Canada, we're a real country. But we have this great health care system and they really were proud, I think.
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Yeah. Were they?
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So, but do people feel like it's not working in Canada?
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
But the system itself doesn't work very well, right?
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Immigration must be putting huge strain on that system.
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Tens of thousands of Canadians killed themselves during his time. I mean, if there's one measure of happiness, it's like you don't kill yourself. So if you have Canadians killing themselves, tens of thousands of them, then that... So my question is, why isn't he in jail? And we're all excited to send all these people to jail. Andrew Tate must go to jail or whatever.
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Same here. I'm not a conspiracy person, but like if every, quote, democratic system in the West has the same outcome, which is two parties that fundamentally agree on the big issues, but pretend to hate each other. while the real concerns of the population are ignored, you've got to wonder, like, how did every country in the West wind up with the same fake system?
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Like, honestly, how did that happen?
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But like, I don't understand why Justin Trudeau is not in jail for destroying an entire nation.
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You're very heavily armed. I've had a couple of encounters with Canadian law enforcement over the years, bad encounters. And boy, they're heavily armed and very aggressive, very aggressive. They're not the kind of polite Canadians you think about. Yeah. RCMP is like not anyone to mess with. They seem like a military force to me.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
So you're not a citizen of Canada, but they'll hand you an automatic weapon?
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
But a Canadian citizen can't have a gun at home. But they'll give some foreigner an automatic weapon, a fully automatic machine gun.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
So that suggests like they don't have good plans for you. That's not a good sign, right? No.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
I mean, if this wasn't cannabis, any other country, I would say, boy, they're going to get a revolution if they're not careful. Like you can't oppress people like this. You can't offer them suicide instead of health care. You can't flood their societies with foreigners. You can't destroy their standard of living.
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You can't throw them in jail for expressing opinions without provoking like a violent response. Are they worried about that? Is that why they took your guns away?
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
But you see throughout the West, the democratic system controlled by authoritarians, excluding people from the system you see with Marine Le Pen right now in France. You were just, you knocked out of the debates, Georgescu in Romania, arrested for running on a populist position, the most popular politician in the country. And he's arrested because he's the most popular.
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So they're basically denying people a democratic outlet for their frustrations. They're saying, even you're voting. This country, they stole the 2020 election, obviously. They're basically not allowing people any way to express their views at all. And that seems like a scary thing to do.
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Yeah. Who is Carney? Can you explain who Mark Carney is?
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He's the leader of the Liberal Party. He was the replacement for Trudeau.
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What kind of support does Carney get from new Canadian citizens, from immigrants?
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
And there is pre-existing sensitivity about the United States. I mean, that's part of what it is to be Canadian. There is a love of the United States. This is my read as an observer of your country. There's a love of the United States. A lot of Canadians love the United States. But there's also resentment because it's just so big and it's right there. Yeah. And that resentment is real.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
I mean, I've always felt it when I'm in Canada. And they're basically – and Trump has allowed them to do this.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
But Canada is a huge gold producer.
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A lot of gold. I think you've got some of the deepest gold reserves in the Canadian mint. Of course, your gold one ounce coins are currency or investment.
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for people around the world. That's interesting.
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It's a blessing and a curse. No, that's right. Having the world's reserve currency is... And once the war in Ukraine started and sanctions were used as a weapon, the dollar was used as a weapon. It was the end of the long term. It was the beginning of the end of the U.S. dollar era.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
If you have debt levels at the level that Canada does, certainly in the United States, much bigger debt than Canada's, the government needs inflation. Yeah. The government creates inflation because that's the only way to get out of the debt, right? Yeah. No one says that. No, no. This is like a product of choices that our policymakers consciously make in order to you know, inflate down the debt.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
I think that's right. And it's inevitable. We're getting it. D-dollarization is real. And again, it's just inexorably can't stop it. So it does seem big picture. If you're just looking at the world, a lot of these conflicts are about resources, like physical things, oil and gas, iron ore, bauxite, grain, gold. I mean, right? Uranium.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
And I don't understand why.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
Canada has a lot of, not all, but a lot of those things, some of the deepest deposits in the world, water. Canada has massive amounts of fresh water. So I'm wondering what's happening to all your resources. Is anyone paying attention? I mean, because China needs the resources to fuel its manufacturing. Asian, broadly speaking, Asian needs those resources. Are they still under Canadian control?
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So, I don't... I mean, it's very obvious that climate change has been going on since the beginning of time, right? We had glaciers, now we don't, et cetera, et cetera. The climate is always changing. Natural phenomena are responsible for the overwhelming amount of that change, not human activity. Like, that's just science. Anyone who says otherwise is a freaking liar.
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Over 90% is caused by... And we need more CO2. Exactly. But, like, a country like Russia... which is slightly more rational than the West, I would say, looks at climate change and says, well, wow, this is good for us because we're a really cold country and huge parts of our country are inaccessible because of cold. And if it gets warmer, that's like good for us. Yeah.
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That would be especially true for Canada. There are whole parts of Canada. Canada is like much bigger than the United States and everyone in Canada is... 50 miles from the U.S. border. Yes, yes. Why wouldn't Hudson Bay be a... I mean, there's so much opportunity in climate change in Canada. Does anyone ever say that? Yeah. But no, it's bad. No, it's bad climate change.
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We would like that too. You never kind of get what you really want, do you? Yeah, but you need to fight for that.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
But how is it bad if you're Canada?
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
Well, but also, we can't control the climate. Yeah, we can't. You're right about that. Right, because we're not God. Canada was a religious country. Even when I was a kid, the French Canadians were very religious. They built... All through the northern New England, there are all these temple cathedrals built by... Catholics, yeah. Big time. And now they're all empty, sadly.
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And those cities are all African. But anyway, there was a time when Canada was a very religious country. Now it seems like one of the most non-religious atheist countries in the world. Is that your...
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
So what is Trudeau doing? I mean, there are many people responsible, I would say. I actually am one of the only Americans who's interested in Canada and really loves Canada because I live near Canada. And so I've followed it. And I think there are a number of people, not just in Trudeau's party, but in his coalition party who are responsible. But he's the most responsible. So what is he doing now?
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What does your license plate say in Quebec? Je me souviens. What does that mean? I remember. I remember.
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
So, last question. How does this—I mean, it does seem like any country, ours definitely, U.S. definitely included, reaches a tipping point with population where— There are just too many people who have no roots in the country that have different alien agendas and it basically becomes unmanageable and there's sort of no turning back. The country can never be what it was.
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You can't make it great again. How far is Canada from that?
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Well, your Canadian refugees are always welcome here. I mean it. I'm going to continue my defense of Canada as a really... And you have a nice weather. Yeah, I like cold weather. So I love Canada. Maxime, thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. That was fun. We want to thank you for watching us on Spotify, a company that we use every day. We know the people who run it, good people.
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I don't know.
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But he just gets to, like, walk around Canada free?
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Well, that's an invasion.
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The Canadian population, like the American population, the European population, replaced.
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He seems like a true fraud to me, like a pretty sinister fraud.
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How about stopping immigration from India and Pakistan? First, first, please. Yes, first. But that's not even a consideration.
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That's not... I mean, no one's benefiting. Maybe people from Bangladesh are benefiting. Okay, I'm not against them, by the way. I understand. I'd move to Canada too if I lived in Bangladesh. But no one in Canada is benefiting from this. So why would Polyev and Trudeau be embracing the same policy that everyone hates and is destroying Canada?
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Oh, no. Do you ever think, I really wish I'd had the COVID vaccine?
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Maxime Bernier: Trump’s Tariffs, Mass Immigration, and the Oncoming Canadian Revolution
So what you're really saying is that a democratic system does not produce democratic results? We have these democratic systems throughout the West that have for 50 years done the opposite of what their populations want. So it's a democratic system without democracy. That's the way it feels to me.
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I totally agree. Sorry, not to make others feel better. So he went about it so systematically, he— Got the government to pay for killing your citizens through the maids program. Like everything he did seemed designed to destroy Canada, like on purpose. If you wanted to destroy the country, you would do what he did. Why do you think he did that?
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But they're not really globalists, are they? Because they're not doing this to China and Africa and the Middle East. They're not saying those nations need to invite a lot of people from different parts of the world. It's not actually global. It's only one side. It's anti-Western. They're saying that there's something about...
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a majority white Christian country that's inherently threatening and we're going to destroy it. And that's kind of, not kind of, it is exactly what they've done around the world.
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Yeah, so you've got basically Russia
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left and of course that's the country they hate most so it is a tell like they're not screaming at chairman xi to let in a bunch of people from nigeria it's like not even on the table they're not even demanding japan do that it's just canada uk western europe australia new zealand and the us and that's it that's it and and what they're doing you know if you are a leader of a nation
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I mean, look, in the end, you understand motive by action. Like, how does someone feel? I don't know. Let's watch what he does.
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So if you deny your children food, you probably hate your children. You can say whatever you, I love my children, but if you're not giving them dinner, you hate them. And so they clearly, Polyev and Trudeau and Carney, really hate Canadians. Why is that? Why?
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Gave him a birthday gift.
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And that's the night he died.
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So his last conversation with his father was what time, roughly?
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That was the last conversation.
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When did you learn that your son was dead?
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And then you got a call from the city?
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But they knew your son was dead and they lied to you?
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Hmm.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So they knew as they were speaking to you that your son was dead, but didn't tell you?
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That's disgusting. That's inhuman. Sorry.
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I'm so sorry. That is really, I mean, that is, I didn't know things like that happened. That is awful.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Did the officers at the scene give you any indication of how they thought your son died?
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But the fact that the funeral home, which of course sees dead bodies every day, said to you, this doesn't look right, doesn't look like a suicide. We recommend that you get a second autopsy, a real autopsy. That's amazing.
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So tell me what you know about what's been proven from the CCTV, from the surveillance footage about your son's last moments. Is there any evidence anyone came in or out of the apartment?
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Following this, he worked on- Which is the fuel that it runs on. It needs massive amounts of data in order to become what it is, right?
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So let's get to the reason that I am anxious to do this interview, which is this report that you commissioned, Dr. Dinesh Rao, and it contains his analysis of the condition of your son's body based on an autopsy, I believe, and it critically contains seven crime scene photographs that you took in your son's apartment. Is that correct?
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Right. So that's what I want to get to. So the two things that jump out. To me, the first thing that jumps out, and it's very obvious from the photographs that you took, is that there's blood all over the apartment. So the official explanation is that your son shot him, and I'm sorry to, I know this is hard, but I think it's important to go through this.
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The official explanation is your son shot himself once in the head, and the bullet entered the brainstem and extinguished life immediately.
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Yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yes. I'm saying the official explanation is he shot himself once in the head. He died.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
But these photographs show that that's not at all what happened because there's blood all over the apartment. There's blood on the door, on the floor, in the bathroom, there's blood everywhere. So that right there, just employing common sense, tells you that the person from whom that blood came, your son, presumably, did not have a fatal brain injury, at least when he was bleeding.
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I mean, something was going on in the apartment, right? The second thing that jumps out is that there is a tuft of hair that's not hair. It's from a wig.
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It's OK. So tell us what that is for people who don't know. It's a part of a clip in wig.
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Yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
But how could they ignore, so your son did not, I mean, he was a 26 year old man with short hair from pictures. He's not wearing a wig, correct?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
And the portion of the wig, the clip-in wig has blood on it.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Okay, so as a non-forensic investigator myself, I look at that and I'm saying, where did this come from? And there's blood all over the apartment. Right there, I would say, maybe it's a suicide, but you're going to have to tell me how, because what is that?
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He was directly involved in that part of the business. Yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So you said that. And let me let you explain. It's not a suicidal angle. So you had the crime scene. Your son's body was taken away. It was evaluated in some way by the authorities. They say this is a suicide. You have like a real autopsy done by Professor Rao. And he says, what about the bullet angle? Will you explain that?
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Yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So Dr. Cohen's autopsy, and this is grisly, I'm sorry, but shows, demonstrates, proves that the bullet was fired at what angle?
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Right. So in other words, if this were a suicide, your son would have had to have held the gun to his forehead coming down.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
You also said, if I heard you correctly, that he had another head injury not caused by a bullet.
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Can you tell us about that?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Why do you believe the gunshot was not the cause of death?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So the autopsy showed that the bullet did not touch his brain.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
You certainly do. You said your son's last browser record is from 10 p.m. ish?
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And what was he looking at? Do you know?
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So he wasn't looking up, how do I kill myself?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Of course. Of course. Of course. I mean, killing yourself is a profound decision. People, there are signs.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
What doesn't add up is there's blood all over the apartment and there's a piece of a wig on the ground covered in blood. That's not his wig. And, you know, you don't need to be a detective to imagine that if someone's going to commit a murder. He might be wearing a wig as he goes into the apartment. So that right there, considering your son didn't wear a wig as a 26-year-old male.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Hairs were not his.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Did anybody hear anything in the apartment? Did anyone hear the gunshot?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
No one heard anything?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
And two entrances into the complex have no surveillance cameras?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Wow. It makes the hair on your arms go up.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yeah. Again, I've been involved in many stories like this, more than five, and I've never seen one like this.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
It's unbelievable. So what's unbelievable is it's so obviously not a clean-cut story. I mean, you wouldn't walk into an apartment with blood splattered everywhere.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
and see a man on the floor with a gun in his hand and say oh it was a suicide well how did the blood get in the bathroom he shot himself in the head like that doesn't even make sense it was a cover-up right so they picked up what they want to pick up we don't know if they have been instructed to do this beforehand so um okay let's thank you for describing all that and i'm sorry i know it's awful yeah but um tell me how the authorities responded if you don't mind
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
A man shooting himself in the forehead from a downward angle. Yeah, okay. I'm not even sure if that's possible, but... We are going to demonstrate that.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Who is the medical examiner who refuses to reconsider a pretty obviously silly explanation for this?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
David Hellman is the San Francisco Medical Examiner.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
And who is David Sewell?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
What does he make of the bloody wig and the blood splattered in the bathroom when your son was not found in the bathroom? How does he explain that?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
OK, so the authorities would begin with the mayor of San Francisco.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Sam Altman's a friend of the new mayor. Yes. Okay. So let's move up. Then you go to the governor of California, Kevin Newsom.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
It's mid-January. Your son was killed in November.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
This needs to go to the Department of Justice, I think, in the Trump administration.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
You did?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
But I don't understand on what basis. So your son had just come back that day from hanging out with his buddies. OK, so which is like a happy thing. It's no evidence that he was suicidal whatsoever and tons of forensic evidence that he was murdered. So on what grounds are they saying it's very likely he killed himself?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So now to Sam Altman. What contact with Sam Altman have you had since your son died?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
They wanted to talk about his stock options?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Do you think, do you believe, you can't know, I guess, but do you think that Sam Altman was involved in your son's death?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So you haven't seen those documents. You don't know.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So to be clear, you think this is not simply about OpenAI stealing copyrighted material. There's more than that.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
What is the kind of thing they do care about? What kind of crimes do you think they would kill someone over?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
From the U.S. government, from other government?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
It's just a remarkable story. Do you think that we will find out? Like, how will the rest of us find out what your son testified to?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Wow. There was a moment where Sam Altman left his own company or seemed to leave his own company for a few days. You may remember this. What was that? Do you know?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
What were the safety issues that caused Sam Altman to get fired, do you think?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Why?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Did your son ever mention, during that period when Sam Altman left, that very brief period, there was a report in the news media that said within OpenAI, AI itself was being worshipped like a god. Did he ever mention anything about that?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Um, and do you have any sense of what these harms are? I mean, clearly people are afraid of what AI can do, not just by eliminating jobs, which is enough to worry about, but there are other things that people are very concerned about. Do you know what they are?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
And it sounds like from reading about it that he ran into trouble only when he began to question VLSI. whether or not the data that was being fed to OpenAI was copyrighted.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
What happens next?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
What happened to the piece of wig found on the floor soaked in blood in your son's apartment? Where is it?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
It's in the apartment right now.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
It's sitting there right now.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
But no one's investigating it as a crime scene.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So it's just sitting on the floor right now?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Oh, this is a really crazy story.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Did you know that California was this corrupt?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
You talked to Ro Khanna, a congressman from Silicon Valley.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
No response from Ro Khanna?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Okay. You know what? I'm going to text Ro Khanna right now.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
I'm going to. And I'm going to send him this right here. And Ro Khanna has not responded to you? Yes. Okay. Okay.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Okay. I'm... I just texted him right now, and I just sent him pictures of the relevant information, and I hope that you'll try again. I mean, Ro Khanna is the Silicon Valley member of Congress.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
I mean, your son was born in this country. You can't murder American citizens because they're standing in the way of your business. That is not allowed in this country. You can't do that.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
No, that's right.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Do you worry about your safety?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Has the New York Times called you to do this story?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
What about the television networks, CNN, NBC, Fox? Is anyone?
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Local. Local.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yeah, I don't, for the third time, I just want to say this again. I don't think anybody, any honest person could look at this and say, oh yeah, that's a suicide. I mean, I just, you know.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Well, I'm grateful that you're making as much noise about this as you are and you're as aggressive as you are. Thank you for doing that.
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Yeah. Thank you for this.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Well, I think most Americans like you would not even consider the possibility you'd be murdered over something like this. You know, the penalty you would assume would be, you know, having trouble getting another job, but getting killed in your apartment. And your son, I know I've asked you, so I want to make totally clear.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
He never mentioned being followed or feeling threatened or anything like that.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
what's unethical is using copyrighted material, material owned by other people for your business, which... Yeah.
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Thank you for telling us this story.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Interesting.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
When did he leave OpenAI?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Of 2024.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So recently.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
When did he write his now famous paper about what the management of OpenAI was doing with copyrighted material?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Who did he speak to?
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But he spoke to a reporter.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Canadian news media.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Interesting.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
On October 23rd, he was quoted in the New York Times saying that OpenAI violates copyright law.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
It's stealing other people's material.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Okay. And what day did he die?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
And what day did he die?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So he was quoted saying that OpenAI was committing crimes and a month later he was dead.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Tell us about what the New York Times wrote on November 18th. He had these documents. What were the documents?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
But you know because you read it in the New York Times that your son had given journalists papers that he says implicated OpenAI in crime.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So to bottom line it, it sounds like your son, who's your only child, by the way, and I'm really sorry about that. Your son was in a position to threaten, really threaten OpenAI.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Well, this is a remarkable story. So we were connected by someone we both know. I had followed this casually in the media. I didn't know what to make of it. Your son died in November. You commissioned an examination by a forensic pathologist, independent forensic pathologist called Dr. Dinesh Rao. I have it right here, accompanied by photographs that you took.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So the official cause of death is suicide. You're his mother. Clearly, you spoke to him a lot. Did you get any indication that he was depressed?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yes. And interviews scheduled and he had things on his to-do list. Did he ever suggest to you, say to you that he felt his life was threatened? Was he worried?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Did he ever talk to you about Sam Altman? We... Did you ever talk to your son about Sam Altman?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
You refused to?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
But did your son ever talk to you about Sam Altman? Did he ever say anything about Sam Altman?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
And that would be Sam's sister who has accused him of sexual abuse. Yes. Really? He wrote that down?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
The lies?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So the time, if we could go to the timeline around your son's death. So he goes to Catalina Island with friends.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
To backpack, to camp? Backpacking, yes.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Well, exactly. And if you, you know, at a certain age, you know, people who've killed themselves and typically, you know, the suicide follows a morose period of isolation. The person sitting alone in his apartment drinking. He died the night he came back from a camping trip with his high school and college friends.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
And I don't think any honest person looking at this would conclude this was a suicide. And there's an awful lot of evidence that it wasn't. I was actually shocked by it. So I want to get into the details of what may have happened. But I'd like to start, if you don't mind, by hearing about your son. Who was he? How old was he? What did he do? What was he like?
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
Yeah. Okay.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
So, and the photographs that you took, which we'll get to in a minute, you know, I just want to say this is not the first time I've been contacted by a family saying, you know, our child died.
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Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman
ruled a suicide but we think it was a murder I mean many people have claimed that I've never seen anything like this before this is this I think again to any fair person suggests that he was murdered but let's get to that so what do you know he came back from Catalina and if you don't mind telling us what you know about what happened then he comes back that evening to San Francisco
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Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump
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Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump
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Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump
Democratic Party's like, yeah, we're the tranny illegal alien party. Okay. That's who you are. I find that repugnant. But the Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing. That's what bothers me.
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Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump
Exactly. Exactly.
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Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump
So it's really, it's not left versus right, moderate versus conservative, populist versus globalist. It's really reform versus corrupt. I mean, I think there's massive corruption in the U.S. government in our system more broadly. Trump was elected on the promise of cleaning it up. You were his instrument to do that. So I think it's fair to say people who oppose that are against reform.
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Oh, I know.
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What other Republican senators opposed your nomination?
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We know that's not true.
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What did Governor Mills say?
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Well, her brother is benefiting. Yeah, it's probably the most corrupt state outside of New Jersey out of 50. So, but were there any other senators who went on the record?
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Yeah, they're afraid to vote against you. Right.
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To the extent you know, what do you think the real issue was? Why wouldn't Republican senators form, you know, a blue line in support of you? Like, what was it?
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A prosecutor who's willing to do that. Not controlled by corrupt interests? Yeah, that's the scariest thing there is.
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But it's not about that. Of course, it's never the liars who get in trouble. It's the truth tellers who are the threat, of course.
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They don't care if you lie. They lie. They love lies. Their father is the father of lies. But you are staying on in the administration.
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It's amazing that someone in D.C. So anyone who lives in D.C. knows that the city is mismanaged by Muriel Bowser, the mayor. But it's also kind of falling apart. The real estate market has collapsed because of COVID, but also because of crime. And like they need law enforcement in D.C. and they don't really have it. And yet this woman was so mad at you that she spit on you.
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It just tells you the power of the propaganda that Schumer unleashed.
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I wish it was consistent with the president's mandate since he was just elected by the majority of voters. Exactly. Right. It's called democracy.
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Did you have a- did you have sex with a Chinese communist spy?
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Sorry to ask you personal questions. I wanted to make clear that. So, but my point is that- I loved RT. RT was a great channel. I didn't agree with everything, but I don't know what- I've only been told- Going on RT or did you, were you the news director? You were just a guest?
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Filthy, filthy organization.
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Was he a Jesuit?
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That sounds disgusting.
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I mean, it's had really unhealthy relationships with the U.S. government for many, many decades. I mean, the CIA small arms training facility was on their campus. I know that for a fact because I know someone who trained there. Like, they have been – Georgetown is one of those things. It's not a private institution. It's an arm of the deepest of the deep state.
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And like they're scary and they're supported by U.S. tax dollars. Like it's not it's not a college like you want your kid to go to Georgetown. Oh, it goes to Georgetown. Go Hoyas.
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They speak of it. I know, using U.S. tax dollars and all these, you know, nice sort of well-meaning Irish Catholic alums around the country who like don't agree with anything that Rosa Brooks says are sending them money and sending their kids there because the veneer, the skin suit still lives. Georgetown. Papuacana went to Georgetown. Okay. It's the fakest place in the United States.
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Way worse than Harvard, actually, I think. Sorry.
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It's sinister.
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It's just so revealing. I'll just say it one last time because I can't control myself that you were torpedoed by supposedly conservative Republicans. I gave a speech on Tom Tillis's behalf when he ran for the first time for Senate.
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And I sort of think that like you're getting one thing, but almost 100 percent of the time the person winds up to be John Cornyn or, you know, like a super aggressive liberal posing as a conservative Republican. It's so weird. Do you understand the mindset there?
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Well, good. I mean, good. I mean, yeah. I disagree. I think a lot of things I've already expressed them, but I admire that.
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There's just so much money.
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It's money. That's exactly right. So just quickly, I mean, I'm interested as a former resident, longtime resident, about the city of Washington, over which you would have had jurisdiction as a chief law enforcement officer, because it's not a state, but it's a federal zone. It's super complicated. Yeah.
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Set up in D.C., but what were you starting to do to make the city safer and more orderly, and what needs to be done?
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Nobody cares because it's a majority black city, by the way. It's like all the liberals who are like, oh, I love black people. They just don't care.
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They don't.
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I should have said the headline, which is.
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She's the nominina.
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Misuse of guns.
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Can I ask, though, just so D.C. and Maryland have a lot of gun control. Correct. But when criminals use guns, they're more tolerant. Of course. Virginia has less gun control. Right. But it's tougher on the illegal. What is that?
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I can get you one immediately. Can I say one thing about D.C.? Which is why it's a great city. When you live in D.C., it was there most of my life, you're mad because it's so inefficient. It's totally third world in the way it's run. And then you finally realize, like, wait a second. If I just play along, grease a palm or two, call the right people, show respect. You know, Mr. and Mrs. always.
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Stuff like that, like. Life is easy in D.C. Yeah, well... It's like living... Not for normal, but not for regular people. No, but like for people... No, it's not even about... It's like, you know, like why would I... My kids don't have driver's licenses. So I could go through the whole rigmarole or I could just pay someone 400 bucks to get them a driver's license and you...
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Boom, you get a driver's license. Well, that's good. Okay.
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It's so corrupt.
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You're talking about the mob threatening with physical violence.
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So there was a DNC employee shot to death in 2016 in in Washington, but not robbed. And we're not like allowed to talk about or even mention his name. So I won't mention his name. But people I know who worked at the DNC, one person at the time believed that he was a political killing. He was murdered for political reasons. Will that case be looked at, do you think?
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You think there's any evidence that that was an assassination, not a robbery?
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So weird. Right. It was weird. Yeah.
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So that guy was killed and in D.C., but MPD was taken off the case and FBI took over.
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Kind of weird, though, right?
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Carjackings.
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But you can't shoot them when they come up to you and do this.
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You can't defend yourself.
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Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction?
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Congress could fix that in a day. It could. Because they have constitutional authority over the district.
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And Newt, for whatever you think of Newt Gingrich, when he took over in 94, he took over D.C. and made it a much better city and created this massive renaissance.
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Why do you think they don't?
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Eight sleep dot com slash Tucker. Can I just press you a little bit on the question I asked before? Because I think it's interesting. Why? So people who are for gun control tell us that guns are dangerous and bad. OK, I disagree. I think guns are a tool. They can be misused, whatever, like a chainsaw or a steak knife.
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But those exact same people don't seem as concerned when guns are used in crimes. They're only concerned when guns are like under your bed or in your gun safe. They're concerned when law-abiding people have guns, not when criminals have guns. What is that?
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Definitely. No problem.
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Because guns can kill you quickly.
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D.C. is the only significant city that Republicans could really run through the Congress and correct the U.S. attorney's job. So I feel like the only shot the city has at reform. And in the last 50 years since it's had its own rule, the only time it's gotten better is when Republicans take control.
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And so I'd just like you to fill out a little bit like what, now you're leaving, but what do you think should happen from the U.S. Attorney's Office in D.C.?
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Yeah.
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We have to care.
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Yeah. So what what other cold cases are you looking at?
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I mean, that's a lot of people on the database.
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Can I ask you a question? Members of Congress, and it wasn't just Tom Tillis, I don't mean to keep beating up on poor Tom Tillis, an idiot anyway, but like all members of Congress on both sides were very threatened by J6. That's one of the reasons, you know, it was their building, not the people's house that belonged to them. Right. And they felt like their space was invaded.
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They felt their security was jeopardized. I get it. But are they concerned that there are, like, murders taking place within walking distance of their office? I mean, do they care about crime in D.C.? Did I even mention that?
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I think it is. Tell us what you did with Wikipedia and why.
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Weaponization of the legal system.
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How much do they pay a year in taxes?
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Wikipedia is history now. I mean, it's how people understand the past.
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It's in league with Google, so it's the first result on everything. Every noun you punch in gets Wikipedia first. So people don't understand anything that's happened in the world prior to last week except through Wikipedia. So if it's totally distorted, then you change the collective memory.
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Well, I agree with that.
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Wish I was a prosecutor.
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kilter the information uh battle is because the public doesn't know that right they don't have that sense of what's so what i mean wikipedia is a propaganda operation and one of its founders told me that the cia or the american intel community is heavily involved in shaping the message uh on wikipedia did you come across evidence of that
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But we can't tell you. It's classified.
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especially in our government. And I have to say, the classification regimen does not seem primarily focused on protecting national security.
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In the same way that the gun control people are fine with gang bangers having guns. Right. The democracy is sacred people are very upset when you want to make sure that elections have integrity. That's weird.
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Why do you think that is? I know. With Radek Sikorski and Applebaum's husband.
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So you think the genesis of the opposition was your request to Chuck Schumer that he answer questions about encouraging violence against the Supreme Court justice?
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Well, I mean, the early returns are not good. I mean, John F. Kennedy was murdered 62 years ago, and the executive order from the president was January 23rd, two days after his inauguration. And we still do not have thousands of Kennedy assassination-related documents. No one wants to say that. I voted for Trump. I love Trump. But, like, what the hell is that?
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No, no, no.
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The classification laws make it... Well, don't make it, by the way. I mean, you just rule by fiat, which I think someone needs to do immediately. But like just classify, you know, release the documents or go to prison. How's that? But you can't even get 62 year old documents released months after a presidential executive order. Like that's how hard it is to fight these classification issues.
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That's it.
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And that's the lowest stakes of all because no one connected is still alive. Right, right.
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It's not the 2020 election. It's not COVID.
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So, I mean, how many people... in your experience so far at DOJ, have your mindset?
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The Republican Party tells you they're one thing, but they're actually another thing.
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What do career DOJ people think of you?
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No, it's so true. It's so true. How corrupt is Merrick Garland, do you think?
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Against humanity. I completely agree. What happened to Lisa Monaco?
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When are we going to see the Epstein stuff we were promised?
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You're not diving right in, Epstein?
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Do you think the Attorney General Barr promised an investigation in Epstein's death in federal custody in Manhattan? We never got the results of that. Is there some way for the public to petition? Like, whatever happened to that?
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And they worried what you would do.
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Oh, they didn't even do it? I don't think they did, no.
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So the U.S. attorney needs Senate confirmation.
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We never found those guys. In an age of facial recognition, we just can't find those guys?
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can't find those guys the pipe bomb question is a really interesting one and the only reason i think most of us know much about it is a guy called darren beattie who now works at the state department thank god but um who reported on extensively on revolver news but that was so baffling and remains baffling because those bombs whether they're real or not were outside the two-party headquarters on capitol hill rnc and dnc so you'd think like politicians would really want to know
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Why the conspicuous incuriosity about that?
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Democrats control the Senate by a huge margin, is that correct?
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But everyone's sort of like, yeah, whatever. The pipe bombs outside the party. It's, you know, whatever. We've got more important things to worry about. Really?
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Will we ever know what happened in the 2020 election? The numbers were weird, I thought. Yeah.
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Oh, no, that's not true.
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Oh, I remember.
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No, I played video that was from the U.S. Senate given to me by the U.S. government. And everyone at Fox News was mad at me for playing the video. It's like, why? Really? I thought we were a news company. No, I remember that very, very well. Do you think that we will see people held accountable? Yes.
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Exactly. You want your kid to go to Georgetown? Oh, he goes to Georgetown. It's way more than that. People just have no idea. The CIA small arms training facility was on their campus. It's an arm of the deepest of the deep state. Way worse than Harvard, actually, I think. Thank you for doing this. So, I'm laughing. I saw a very angry young woman spit in your face on camera two days ago.
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Democrat from California?
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Oh, no, Republican from North Carolina.
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Hmm.
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So why would Tom Tillis... Um, who was elected in maybe 2012, 14, something like that ish. Um, but a lot of money spent on that campaign. A lot of Republicans mobilized and get that guy elected in a swing state even then. And, you know, a lot of hope residing in Tom Tillis. Why would Tom Tillis be the instrument of your destruction?
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On what basis did they get a million-dollar settlement?
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My texts were released to the public.
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I've known a number of smart, high testosterone, reform-minded people who come to D.C. to make things better who get destroyed.
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I haven't read it in years. But I've just seen this happen to a lot of people. So, I mean, just on the basis of what you said over the last hour, I think you're going to be the target for a lot of efforts to destroy you.
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You wonder where this is going. I mean, if Obama weaponized the government against people who didn't vote for him and Joe Biden brought it to the next level and just threw hundreds in prison, what's the next Democratic administration going to look like?
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Well, I know. That tells you a lot.
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Ed Martin, I really appreciate all of this. Great to be with you, Tucker. Thank you very much.
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That's correct.
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Right. DOJ directly. All the way.
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Who's Andrew Weissman?
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Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump
Well, he said, you know— Because that's about what I—that's almost what I was about to say. Yeah. That we now have videotaped Jake Chansley, for example, a QAnon shaman, led into the Senate chamber by a cop. Right. Wanders around and then leaves and then goes to prison. Right. Right. I don't understand. And I want to be charitable to Tom Tillis, who is obviously very liberal.
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And there are things about him I don't like. But I want to be fair. But I don't understand how he couldn't know that.
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That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes... An emotional response. DOJ is a bigger mess even than some conspiracy minded people on the outside like me imagine.
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And meanwhile, the rest of that's like MSNBC level lying. It's like transparent. It was an armed insurrection. Police officers were killed. None of that is true.
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Ed Martin on Dan Bongino vs. DOJ, and Republicans in Congress Secretly Plotting Against Trump
It's destroying the country. Can I ask you one? I couldn't agree more. Can I ask one last question? Did any member of the U.S. Senate or member of Congress, suggests like how many federal agents were in the crowd that day. None of them seem interested in that.
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That seems like a baseline question.
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That suggests that your mere physical presence evokes an emotional response. Why? DC is in trouble. I'm from there. I can vouch for that. You are going to fix it. What exactly do you think, from your perspective, was the resistance to you?
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It feels like we're on the brink of something really catastrophic. I kind of can't shake that feeling. And by catastrophic, I mean some kind of global war. Hope that's not true. But let's just start with what just happened, which is a drone attack on Moscow by the Ukrainians that killed a number of Russians in Moscow. Who did that, why, and what are its effects?
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And Alex Jones Stafford was just murdered two days ago, who was on some list put together by the Ukrainian government or its supporters of critics. He was murdered outside of his house. I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think, given the number of assassinations they've pulled off or attempted, that he was killed by them. You think that's possible?
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And so Ukraine, the Ukrainian military has been selling. I think everyone's aware of this. It's true. A large percentage of these weapons onto international arms markets, and they've wound up with some of the worst people in the world and destabilized the world. But there's been no attempt by any agency in the U.S. government that I'm aware of to keep track of where they are.
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And moreover, the CIA has lied about that.
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And then we don't prevail.
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What do you think the actual losses are on both sides in that war?
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Who'd want to fight with Chechnya?
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Right, I mean, there's two wars. I mean, I'm not an expert, but I sort of followed it in the news. I maybe not want to mess with the Chechens at all.
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Yes, I've noticed.
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In a country of under 50 million, but 25 million in the country now, I think, ish.
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Yeah, well, it's definitely the aim of the West.
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And so if you take three steps back, I mean, Ukraine is not even the point. The point is destroying Putin and killing Russia and breaking it up.
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Well, I agree completely. I mean, killing Christians around the world is the actual subtext to our foreign policy. Someone just handed me this. This is just out. Ukraine backs U.S. proposal for 30-day ceasefire with Russia. I'm going to read this to you if you don't mind. Ukraine, quote, expressed readiness to accept a U.S.
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proposal for an immediate 30-day ceasefire with Russia, the two countries said in a joint statement after a key meeting between U.S. and Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia. A ceasefire implemented would be a major diplomatic breakthrough. This is Rubio, quote, the Secretary of State. The ball is now in their court. We hope the Russians will reciprocate. The U.S.
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agreed to lift its suspension on intelligence sharing with Ukraine. and resume weapons shipments to the country, which were paused 10 days ago. That makes no sense. After weeks of pressure from the Ukrainians, the U.S. side signaled the pressure is now on Russia. Quote, if the Russians say no, we will know what the impediment is here, said Marco Rubio.
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National Security Advisor Mike Waltz said Ukraine not only accepted the U.S. proposal, but also presented its principles for a comprehensive peace deal, which includes security guarantees that it requires. Waltz also made clear to his team... that all fighting needs to stop, not just air and missile strikes. Before you negotiate, you need to stop shooting at each other.
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That's what the president wanted to see, said Marco Rubio. The U.S. and Ukraine also agreed to conclude as soon as possible, quote, a comprehensive agreement for developing Ukraine's critical mineral resources. It wasn't clear if this meant that they would sign the deal that they'd been talking about.
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Steve Witkoff, President Trump's envoy, global envoy, is visiting Moscow on Thursday to meet with President Putin and discuss this. What's your response to that?
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Well, they tried to, you know, and they assassinate people. They tried to assassinate a couple of people I know personally well. Fact, not guessing. So... I consider that government, not the Ukrainians. I think the Ukrainians, as you said, are valiant and decent. An awful lot of them are Christians. I know a lot of Ukrainians. And I couldn't think more highly of them.
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But I think that their government is totally evil. Completely. And so here's the thinking as far as I understand it. What do I know? But my strong sense is that... The Trump White House wants to end to this war. The president campaigned on it. He thinks it's within his grasp. He also wants a more normalized relationship with Russia. He grieves over Russia's now permanent alliance with China.
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He sees how bad that is. It's not fixable. But bringing Russia a little bit closer back to the West is a good thing. I think I'm describing his thinking fairly well.
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but for the purposes of making a deal the thought is that you can't make a deal from a position of weakness and so you have to show your teeth in order to get the other side to come to better terms that's the idea behind throwing more weapons to ukraine how do you assess that it's delusional it it's leading down the wrong path if you want this to end then stop it
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We have to kill them here. You hear Republicans say this all the time. Republican senators, really the worst group in the country, in my opinion, short of Antifa. But, you know, it's a really good deal for us because we're killing all these people. European Christians, there so we don't have to kill them here. And they say that out loud.
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But they've gone so far in the other direction. In the UK right now, even Nigel Farage, head of the Reform Party, which I think is the biggest party, doesn't have power, but it's by registration the biggest party in Britain. And it's the counterbalance both to the, you know, the crazed laborites and the pathetic castrated Tories. They won't say that we should end the war in Ukraine.
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Even they won't. I mean, it's like there's nobody, there's no party that I'm aware of in all of Europe with power that will say that.
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Anything that Applebaum doesn't want.
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Well, it destroyed Germany.
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Oh, I know.
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Do you see any path to that happening? No.
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Don't go. It'll make you too sad.
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Me too.
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Well, everyone likes Mexicans.
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No one's against Mexicans.
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American officials on the payroll of Mexican drug cartels.
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And the army's not on the border.
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We have the Coast Guard in the Persian Gulf?
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Whose coast are we guarding?
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I know him well, yeah.
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I do.
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They didn't – when the PRI lost, the party that ruled Mexico from the revolution up until Vicente Fox, they had deals with – they had sort of had a stasis. And the second that – Arrangement collapsed. The country fell in. I mean, they had a more reform minded government, but the country fell into a basically a civil war that it's been in ever since. Right.
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I mean, the cartels are and now they run the country.
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No, our priorities have been hijacked by other countries. And it's distressing because it does seem like the problems that we face now will determine whether the United States remains.
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Makes it. Thank you. Nicely put. Makes it. So just to bottom line on a couple of issues, do you, how would you rate the likelihood? I mean, it does seem like the president having run on the promise of peace in Eastern Europe and inserted himself right into the middle of it, being the only person who can bring peace, you know, he kind of has to see this through. and likely will.
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How hard will it be to get some sort of settlement between Ukraine and Russia?
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Including Putin himself.
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They've redrawn some maps over time. I can't even keep up. Of course. I mean, try to find, like, the map of what's now called Ukraine. How many iterations in the past— Just 100 years.
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Mineral deal in Ukraine-wise?
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They have enough natural resources already in Norway. It seems that they're overblast.
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So I'm aware, I knew, that's why I asked you the question, because I knew that. And I'm, or I think I know that. And so it makes me wonder, like, if Zelensky is, you know, now anxious to sign this deal and was anxious before to sign the deal, before his arrogance and bad advice got in the way, maybe what this really is, is a way to... change U.S.
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policy and sort of have us try and force the Russians to withdraw from Crimea and eastern Ukraine, which, of course, is not going to happen.
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Yeah.
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Amazing.
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A lot's going to need to change.
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Do you know, I mean, I know the head of CENTCOM, I think, is very anxious to have new wars in the Middle East.
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I do.
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Do you think at the Pentagon, you no longer work at the Pentagon, but if you were to, you know, spend a week there talking to people off the record, like what would be the level of support for new wars?
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Of course.
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Of course, Oswald went there. Leon Trotsky lived in Mexico City.
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So I thought you were going to be the ambassador of Germany. I think you should have been. I know.
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Sorry to bring up a sore subject. But the reason that Germany matters, I mean, there are many reasons it matters, but it is basically it's Europe. And without Germany, it's kind of hard to be Europe, except as like some sad museum. It's the only really living part of Europe. And it seems to be dying.
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Just like lowered the standards dramatically?
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Well, some Nazis are okay as long as, you know, they're doing the bidding of the CIA and the Biden administration, you know, as long as Toria Nuland thinks they're okay.
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Why does Anne Applebaum have any effect on anything? I mean, this is like one of the dumbest people in the United States. I don't understand.
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You don't think Germany's dead?
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That's exactly right. To hell with that. No, we don't believe in collective punishment here in the Christian West. Doug McGregor, thank you for your bracing but very insightful analysis.
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Is there any European population? So there are many European leaders who have suggested, some have said out loud, others have hinted, that they're going to send troops to fight Putin.
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Is there any European population that wants that?
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Trump is sincere. I mean, that's true.
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So, I mean, that creates a kind of structural problem because Turkey is a member of NATO. I don't think so.
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Well, it matters in a material sense. We just used the name NATO to wage a war against Russia for three years that we lost. Yeah. But that would be the end of NATO, right?
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intelligence civilians contractors i mean this has been another contracting bonanza in ukraine just as afghanistan was in iraq and that i was in a restaurant the other night in fact this weekend and i had a little trouble hearing what people were saying and i thought to myself i'm a little young to go deaf why Well, because I grew up shooting, bird hunting, target shooting.
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You do wonder about the power of the drug cartels. They've, you know, a lot of the weapons we have sent to Ukraine have been sold by the Ukrainian military onto the black market. That's a fact. A lot, up to half. And a lot of them have been purchased by the drug cartels you see in Mexico.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So can I ask you, I was reading in the final weeks before the election that the Biden administration was selling off portions of the materials for the border wall. Is that actually true?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
How hard is it? I never have really understood why is it so hard to build a, seems like a pretty straightforward infrastructure project.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Pitched battles, military engagements between the cartels and the Mexican military where they're very well armed. Are you worried about that happening in Texas?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So why not pass a law that says anyone, any elected official who opposes the building of a border wall is prohibited from putting a lock on the front door of his house?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Why would John Cornyn be opposed to a border wall protecting his own state?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But he's, I mean, boy, he's helped appropriate billions and billions and billions of dollars for border security in other countries.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I'd love to hear him mock Israel's border walls. Do you think he will?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I'd love to hear him mock Ukraine's territorial integrity. Do you think he will?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But only for us. No one's calling on China to open its borders.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
How did John, I mean, this is a question I could ask of so many, no offense. I say this as a Texas lover who's got a lot of relatives there, including a child. So I love Texas. However, I think you've got some of the worst politicians in the country. How did that happen? How does that happen?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
with all this drug cartel money in your state, it's not going to get better because you could just buy a member of the Texas legislature. What would that cost? Not too much, right?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So, specifically on John Cornyn, how did he get to be a senator when statewide in Texas?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Because it's not about helping the bottom, it's about crushing the top.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Well, I mean, we kind of know what Bush believes. I mean, his family's out there campaigning for Planned Parenthood, voting for Kamala Harris. I was with him two days ago and Obama at the inaugurations right next to them, across from him. I watched him, you know, pal around with, you know, he's friends with Obama. That's his world. Right. That's his world. That's all well known.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But what's pretty distressing was running mate endorsed Kamala Harris and his sad little daughter campaigned for Kamala Harris. So that whole world is now they're all Democrats. But John Cornyn is still an elected statewide elected official in Texas. He's a puppet of the left, obviously. How does that continue to happen?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
No, he's helped Zelensky, and that's pretty much it. So how – okay, so what's the process? The guy – I mean, I've never met anyone who likes John Cornyn, never met anyone who thought he's achieved anything, never met anyone who thinks he's smart, he's pompous, he's quite a self-righteous little guy. So I think he's very unpopular with every person I've ever met in my life, and yet –
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
All things being equal, he gets reelected. So how do you stop something like that?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
You know, people didn't used to say things like that. Right. Well, guess what? So-
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
loyal american you or or john cornyn look i'm who's more focused on the fortunes of his own country and his own people you or john cornyn who obviously doesn't care at all didn't say anything as his own state was invaded and lectures us endlessly so tool the intel agency's lecturing us about ukraine but you're the disloyal american it's actually like you shouldn't say things like that it's not talking it's crazy it is and so justice the crazy thing we have a texas republican convention shortly after the election where i win by 38 points because george b bush
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
i was just that's our government well it's horrifying i mean because you know some of the weapons are surface to air weapons so you wonder like what's the threat to commercial air travel you can see things kind of starting to fall apart um is there like widespread acknowledgement of this in texas that we could have a serious problem with these cartels i think even just common people are aware of that just because of the influx
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So in a year, basically in a year and two months, you have a primary.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So, well, I'm sure he's got such an enormous reservoir of skills and talent that he'll thrive in the private sector. Doing what? I don't know if he's ever been there. He couldn't start my truck on a cold day. He has no idea. He has no skills. But anyway, sorry, I'm being too mean, but it's all true. How do you beat him in a primary?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
's close friends. I knew Dan Branch, yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
What does Karl Rove – I mean, Karl Rove is – I mean, he's got to be 70 anyway at this point, I would think. He's been around – I mean, I've known him for pushing 30 years. I don't think his track record is something anyone could brag about at all. He's been wrong about – he's a subgenius, I would say, for sure. I'm a genius. No, you're not. And his record suggests he's not.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And so, like, why does he still have influence? Is he still effective?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I don't have a TV that's a disadvantage.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Karl Rove is booking shows at Fox News.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
That's so crazy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Imagine, if I can just say, since I know these systems, I lived it. Imagine you're the host of a show and you get a call saying the sitting Republican attorney general of the second biggest state is not allowed on your air because of reasons we won't explain. Because like Karl Rove, it's like a totally discredited buffoon, doesn't like the guy. Be like, buzz off.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
well i think he went to like paul ryan the board and just got it's like i am why would you cave to that like no job is worth taking orders you didn't cave that well i got fired exactly but that wouldn't even consider that like what i would always say on the three or four times they ever said anything like that to me i'd be like that's totally great just put it in writing just send me an email explaining why we can't have this guest the rationale for it and and i'll assess and i'll respond in writing
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
The second you say put it in writing, they're like, they never call you again. I'm just telling you. Just put it in writing. It's totally fine. You know what? I've got some hearing issues. So if you could just write it down. Explain what exactly about Ken Paxton is like verboten.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
We're moving in another direction.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Yes, I would just never put up with that. That's what they do. I would always call and say, like, what, you know, what is this? Well, the decision's been made. By whom and why?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But it's all the most disgusting kind of power, which is like stealthy feline power, behind the scenes power. Rather than just say, you know, here are my views. And this is what I think, and I'm happy to debate it or whatever. I think you're wrong. I don't like, you know, Ken Paxton's evil. Here's why. They'll never do that because they're not honorable people.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And I'm not just talking about at that company. I mean, more broadly in our society, like the people who win every bureaucratic battle are exactly the same. They're all... They operate in darkness. You know, they're never straightforward about anything.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
It's so dishonorable.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Also, how do you live with yourself? Like, how do you live with yourself if you operate that way?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
If I don't like someone, I'm always delighted to call them on the phone and say, I don't like you and here's why.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
That is, you know, if you find yourself living your life like that, you have to make a change because that's really deceptive. That was the Republican, supposedly the Republican house controlled by the Democrats. Oh, They're all like that. I got called in one time by executives of a company and they're trying to tell me that Roger Ailes was a rapist who I knew well and really loved.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Every big construction site in this country has prostitution run by the cartels, often of children. I don't see anyone doing anything about it. And it makes you wonder, like, Mexico is completely, utterly corrupt because of cartel money. Politicians, judges, journalists, all on the payroll. You see this in other Latin American countries. I mean, our... Our politicians are not that expensive.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
He's a flawed guy like we all are, but I didn't feel like a rapist to me. Pretty sure he wasn't a rapist. And I remember saying like, okay, who did he rape? Well, we know this. We just know this. You know, we had Robeson Gray do this investigation. He raped people. And well, OK, who were they? Because I know everybody. I work there. I know everybody. Just trust me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
If you saw what we saw, you and I was like, OK, but can you just tell me, like, what were the circumstances of the rape? This is like an elderly man who's got hemophilia. Don't think he's raping anybody. And they were very annoyed that I asked the basic questions. And look, I don't know so many things I don't know. But I did come out of that meeting thinking he didn't rape anybody.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
They get overwhelmed. People always say the same thing. We know this. Look, I've talked to people. We know this. Look, let's just start there. We know this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
That's what he does. But I do think you just all you need is self-respect. Like, I'm not going to be lied to if I can help it. I'm lied to all the time and I don't know it. But but I'm not going to allow myself to be lied to if I can help it. Well, but people are just like they're willing to be lied to. It's the vaccine safe and effective. OK, then it turns out it's not safe and effective.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And then they don't have enough self-respect to demand an accounting of those lies. Like you told me this turned out not to be true. Why did you do that? No one ever does that. Or Karl Rove shows up and is like, we know Ken Paxton's a criminal. Okay. Where's everyone's self-respect? Like, I'm an adult man. You can't lie to me. Okay? That just seems like a kind of baseline.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I watched it up close and you won. It was amazing. And it was hard to, so how many times did you win at the Supreme Court with the Biden administration?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
We went there a lot. You sued him 106 times. So I'm kind of thinking, since this is politics, that that may have had a role in your impeachment. I have no doubt.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
That's unbelievable. So do you expect that Karl Rove will be involved in this primary?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
What do you think he's doing? I mean, it's amazing the number of Republicans who are mobilizing against Trump's nominees, particularly Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard. He must be having, I don't know this, but do you think Carl has a hand in any of that?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Like you could do that in a state like Texas, right?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
That's exactly right. And they're, you know, so sad to see some Republicans who I know well mobilizing against Bobby Kennedy and they're saying we're doing it because he's pro-choice and... Well, I'm vehemently, passionately pro-life. I have always been. I will always be. But these are all people who are themselves pro-choice, who supported plenty of pro-choice nominees. And it's not about that.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
It's about the fear that Bobby Kennedy means it, that he's sincere.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Yeah. It's the testosterone level that scares them. That's totally, absolutely right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So in September, we went across the country, coast to coast, 17 different cities on a nationwide live tour. And it was amazing. We brought the entire staff with us like we always do because we all work together for so long and enjoy traveling together. And one of our producers is a documentary filmmaker.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And so he decided to make a documentary film about our trip, a full month across America with some of the most interesting people around. Different people join us every single night. Bon Gino and Russell Brand and Bobby Kennedy and J.D. Vance and Donald Trump, et cetera, et cetera. We had the best time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And the fruit of that is a documentary called On the Road, the Tucker Carlson Live Tour, which is available right now on TCN. On the Road, Tucker Carlson Live Tour is hilarious. You will like it. It's interesting. Do you think it's fair to keep a list?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I mean, I'm probably too fixated on this because I've lived in a Republican world in Washington for so long, but I think it's fair to keep a list of like the Republicans who are working against reform, who are working against Trump's best decisions, which are reform decisions. minded decisions like nominating Bobby and Tulsi. Like we should keep a list of that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I think that's really deep and true. The thing they hate most is exposure. I have always thought that's why they hated Trump. They were worried he was going to declassify stuff or say secrets out loud that, you know, that implicate the people running things.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Yeah, no, I think that's interesting. So do you think you may run against Cornyn?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
How long do you think Texas has before it becomes a democratic state? It's totally up to us.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I think that's right. I think that's right. And I and I'm embarrassed to say that I kind of bought, I guess, intuitively. I don't really think about it. But the idea that demographics is destiny. And I do think there's a lot of truth in that. However, you know, Texas went from a majority white state to really a majority Hispanic state.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But that doesn't mean that it has to be like a dystopian left-wing state at all.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Well, but it's interesting. So that I first heard that line from Karl Rove, actually. How surprising. My next door neighbor. And he would always say, you know, Hispanics are natural conservatives. And I would say, well, I'm from California. And that became majority Hispanic state. And it just it just went right off the cliff. It became, you know, really, really dark socialist dystopian place.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And he and I would say, so what do you make of that? What I didn't realize was. It was actually the liberal whites who were the problem. I mean, that state's run by Gavin Newsom. He's not from Oaxaca. You know what I mean? He's from Brinton County. And a lot of the decisions are made by people like that. And actually, Hispanics are conservative. I mean, that's real. Look at El Salvador.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And so it what what's happened, though, is that the party is controlled by neoliberals like Gavin Newsom, like Karl Rove, and they use the power of the Hispanic vote to affect outcomes that I think a lot of Hispanic voters reject. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
They're leaving the machine undone. I guess the only thing I would say just as an outside observer is if the drug cartels are allowed to control the machinery of democracy in Texas, like it could become Mexico.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Well, so we had problems like this in the 50s and 60s after Brown versus Board where – You know, certain states just didn't want to comply with federal law. There was – and, you know, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock and said, I'm sorry, you can't violate federal law. You can't – you're not your own country, actually.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And you wonder, like, how serious could the Trump DOJ be in reining in this crap? No, you're not allowed – to have chaos in your state. This is an American state.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I hope so. I believe it. So here's a question I've been obsessed with recently, and I don't know the answer, but you're an attorney general. How are states allowed to have sanctuary cities in open violation of federal law, and that's not insurrection? Because we've allowed it.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Because it does seem like there was a standard in place under Biden where illegal aliens who are by their presence committing a crime were held to a lower standard than American citizens. We had to sue the Biden administration.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
How hopeful are you that we can deport millions of people?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
There will be a lot of forces arrayed to stop that, obviously.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Why, okay, then the question of motive arises. Like, why wouldn't you want to stop crime in your state?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
If you go and beat Cornyn in the Senate, which I certainly hope you will, is there someone coming up behind you who can get elected who will be as aggressive and focused on the needs of Texans?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I just think it's, you see this weird dynamic in Texas where, I mean, there's so many great people in Texas, but all the money, not all the money, but a lot of the money in, you know, Highland Park and River Oaks, you know, your richest zip codes, pretty liberal, right? What is that?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And by the way, I know a lot of those people, and I really like them, and I'm not attacking anybody personally, because I know a lot of them, but boy, they seem to be funding people who will not continue Texas as currently organized.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But they don't like you, too. They're like, oh, Paxton's so embarrassing. I know. It's because. But if you ask them to write on a piece of paper, like, what are your political priorities? They would be not so different from yours. But they don't like it when you actually try to implement what you say you believe.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I don't know what is an affluent part of Dallas.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Those that Bush world that supported Bush and I have family in both those places and I think they're wonderful. They're not. No, they're not. I like all the people. And as I said, I like Dan Branch. I mean, I think I'm probably susceptible to. To charm in a way I shouldn't be because I like all those. They're all good guys.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But in the end, it's considered somehow gauche or bad to actually try and do what you say you're going to do. That's why they don't like you. No offense. I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings. But I've been at dinner and people are like, oh, Ken Paxton. Ken Paxton. It's like, why? Because he's doing what you say you believe? Yeah.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
You're right, it is.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I think it may be that rich people are so insulated from the effects of everything that they don't really feel like these arguments are existential, that they really, really matter.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Whereas, you know, if you make 120 grand a year and you live in Houston and you see the city, like you can't use the hospitals and crime's out of control and like everything is changing too fast to metabolize and you can't really, you make 120 grand a year, you can't really do anything about it. You're powerless. And that's, by the way, twice what the average person makes. Yes.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
You're like, you realize this is not a joke. They're wrecking my city for real. It can't be fixed.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Gas is more expensive.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
No, I know.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
It's just weird in Texas. So if you go to California, if you go to Marin or downtown San Francisco or the town that I grew up in, affluent town, you know, everyone's kind of openly liberal. You know what I mean? Like they're smoking weed with their kids and they're whatever, they're liberal. You go to Texas and you meet the... The affluent class in Texas, boy, they're just great people.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
They're just great people who share your values. And I think they really do, by the way, at least the ones I know, they sincerely do. But they don't feel that sense of eminence of like, holy shit, we got it. This is like a crisis. They do not feel that.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Yes.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I think that's right. And there's a, by the way, I just want to be clear, especially in Texas, like the rich people I know in Texas are good people with nice, you know, love their families. Their children turn out well, like they're good people for real. I love them actually. Yeah. But I and they would agree with everything you say. But in practice, it freaks them out.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
And you see this with Bobby Kennedy, too. Like anyone who's kind of tuned in realize, yeah, Bobby Kennedy is like a turbo liberal. He's a Kennedy.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
You know, he said all this crazy gun grabby pro abortion nonsense. But then you watch him and you're like, oh, no, that guy's on the same wavelength as me. And he might actually get stuff done. It's only it's it honestly, it's the rich Republicans who he freaks out.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I mean, it's so obvious just in your, you know, 45 second explanation that, you know, it makes sense. So is it that they haven't figured it out or do they have a higher loyalty?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I think it's totally right. I grew up in a rich person world. The greatest gift I ever got was, you know, spending time in a non-rich area for a portion of every year. And it really changed my worldview. like so dramatically, just having contact with people who aren't, you know, in that world, like just getting out of it a little bit.
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I don't have a ton of perspective, but I have like a little bit of perspective. Right. You know what I mean? So like, that's super helpful. It's super helpful. It is. It's super helpful. And, wow, that's so interesting. Can you win if you don't have the support of the big money in Texas?
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Yeah. Well, I've always thought that. But then I up and down the ballot and state after state, you see people elected who are basically promising to destroy their own constituents. And all the black leaders in Chicago who are like, you know, lecturing about black political power and how important it is. And then they make this the city Hispanic. Now they have no political power. It's like.
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I mean, whatever you think of identity politics, I'm opposed to it. I don't think you should be running on your race anyway. But it's just a fact that they did exactly the opposite of what they promised their constituents. And really, now nobody cares what those people think.
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But yet he's a bad guy. It's amazing. So here's a complicated issue that I think I know that you've addressed it in court. Data privacy. The idea that you ought to be allowed to have like conversations without other people listening to them. The idea that people should be able to steal information about you and profit from it. Where are we on that?
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It was a little weird after all of that to see Larry Ellison stand up and be like, everyone's getting an mRNA vaccine for cancer. What? I mean, it's crazy. I don't even know. I'm trying to digest all that.
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Yeah, exactly. But do you have a hope? It does seem... Look, I'm not against... Well, that's a lie. I am against technology, but I don't think I should be against technology. I should be a little more open-minded, but... You know, there's a there's a place for technological progress. Of course, there is. But it does seem like it's unrestrained. It does. You know, I believe in force, counterforce.
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I believe in balance. I believe in marriage, which is that, you know what I mean? Two forces having to accommodate one another. And in that you find peace. Yeah. I don't see that dynamic with tech right now. It just seems unrestrained. The charge of the elephants, like nothing can get in the way.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Wait, we still have antitrust laws?
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Is there any hope?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Yeah, and just acknowledge that what you do has an effect on a lot of other people. And, you know, it's okay for other people to weigh in and have an opinion. I mean, I know a lot of these people, you get the scent, they're so annoyed. If there's any impediment to what they want, like so annoyed, like they can't even believe it. Like what? You're getting in the way of progress.
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You have to tell your kids you've been indicted.
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It's like, well, first of all, I'm not totally convinced this is progress. Like, that's a subjective term. We can debate what that is. But second, like, I don't know. There are all kinds of things I want to do, but I have to negotiate with the people who are affected by those things to reach some accommodation. That's just what life is. And you see this with some countries, too.
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Like, oh, you know, our neighbors don't like it. Tough shit. It's like... I don't know. That's not what life is. Like, everything is a give and take. Compromise. Where do we get these attitudes? Like, I just get to do exactly what I want. It's going to totally overturn your life. And if you don't like it, like, shut up.
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They have more money.
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Oh, my God.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I want to do that with this podcast. So what I want is Congress to pass a law preventing anyone from suing me no matter what I do. And then anyone who criticizes me is pulled off the Internet and called a racist. That's a pretty good deal, don't you think? Absolutely.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Listen to my podcast or you're fired. Right. Yeah. That does seem like an unfair business advantage.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So you really think, I mean, I'm sorry to be so naive, but I grew up in this country and we didn't have things like this that I was aware of in 1985. But you think that members of the Texas legislature are afraid they'll be indicted if they push back against the DAs?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Man, you guys, you know, there's so many arms available in the black market. I think Texas should buy some just for a little more influence. You know what I mean? That's not my department.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
All I have is lawyers. Be like the drug cartels. Just buy them on the dark web. Oh, hilarious. Ken Paxton, thank you so much for taking all this time. Oh, I enjoyed it. Thanks for having me. And I hope you crush that, John Cornyn. I really do. I'm rooting for you. Well, thank you. No one else agrees, but I'm in Highland Park, but I'm on your side. Hey, thank you.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
But why would you want that unless you were trying to destroy a civilization?
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Oh, big time. Oh, big time. So do you think that the Soros DAs have hesitated to go after the drug cartels? They don't.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
It's amazing that a non-US citizen who hates the United States, hates the West, could have that much power in our country.
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What did you think when Joe Biden gave George Soros the Presidential Medal of Freedom? Disgusting.
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Can you name it? I can't. No, they worked from day one to destroy what past generations had built, this amazing country. And it had to be on purpose.
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The law of averages suggests a victory once in a while.
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And to individual Americans, I think that's absolutely right. But again, I'm so fixated on this. Why would you want to do that?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I don't see another explanation. There's hate behind it. There's no doubt about it. I mean, how could you wind up with the outcome with people dying of drug ODs on the street and stores closing because of stealing and kids cutting their own genitals off? Like, you would have to hate someone.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
So one of the things you pointed out off camera was his executive order designating the drug cartels as terror organizations is significant.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I mean, there are countries where slavery is still practiced in certain countries, but- There were like critical U.S. allies that had slavery until the 1970s and no one ever 1970s. And no one ever mentions that holds them responsible. Obama has no problem taking money for speeches in those countries. That's why it doesn't make sense. It's slavery around the world forever. And it's awful.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
It is awful. And the U.S. and Great Britain were the reason that we don't have it anymore. And globally, for the most part, and no civilized country would tolerate slavery anymore. But if you're against slavery, by the way, why would you be for the drug cartels which practice slavery, which sell people?
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
Oh, I totally agree. But it doesn't... I think it's a mistake to take their explanations at face value. I think there's something deeper. Like, they just hate and want to hurt people.
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his influence is permanently diminished?
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I think that's really wise. I'm concerned about that. Not because of any individual acting in bad faith, but because human nature is what it is. It's exactly right.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
I wouldn't trust myself in power at all. I don't want power because I don't trust myself. I don't think any honest person can really say my motives are pure. Right. No, I agree with that.
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Yeah. And anyone who doesn't admit that's a liar.
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So, yeah, I want oversight of me. Right. You know, and then you see Chuck Schumer like that guy needs a lot of oversight, like armed oversight.
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Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act
A hundred percent. And you lie to yourself, oh, I'm doing this for the greater good. You know, I have known people personally who've killed other human beings because they thought or they convinced themselves, you know, this is actually for the, you know, some, the humanity will benefit. Yeah.
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So the whole point of market capitalism is consumer choice. You have a choice between products and services, and the competition between companies makes the goods and services better. That's the core idea. Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of monopolies out there. Monopolies are not good for consumers. They are not good for you.
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Okay, so I want to impose my theory on you and you tell me what you think. So for the past 15 years, I've been watching the feds, the FBI, the DOJ try to destroy you. And I've watched as no group of gatekeepers or whistleblower protectors or journalistic ethics guardians have defended you on First Amendment grounds, which is pretty shocking.
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Before I ask you what you think the signs are pointing to now, like what are your predictions for the next five years? And then I ask you how your battles with the U.S. government are going in its attempts to silence you. How do you like if you have this ability, which you do, I'm not sucking up.
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It's just again, it's provable to put together a picture, an extraordinarily accurate picture of what the future holds. Like, what does that do to you? How do you sleep? And how do you live? And like, why haven't you totally destroyed yourself? Like, that's not, those are kind of not thoughts that most people, including me, are burdened with and don't really want to be burdened with.
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But like, how do you turn off the visions of the future in your head?
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But you can prove it. That's why I've—obviously, we're friends, and I like you as a man, but you can prove it in a way that others can't because it's on tape. So it's not really a debate. Has Alex Jones—
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had you know more accurate predictions in the future than any living person in the world that i know of we can prove that we don't have to argue about it i've got the freaking tape so again it's not even a compliment it's just an observation and i don't know why i seem to be the only person who's obsessed with this like how did this guy predict this no everyone's like oh he's great okay maybe he's crazy but he predicted this so my question is like what does that do to you
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That's right.
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You said this is a, you said two things that really struck me. One, that anything is possible right now. This could go in an infinite number of directions, some hellish and some blessed. And so I think that that feels right to me. Second, you said this is a spiritual revolution. What are the signs that you see of that? What do you mean by that?
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But you called the specifics. You called the specifics of 9-11. I just can't get past that. And I've asked you in public and private, how did you do that? I've never gotten really a straight answer. I doubt I will now. But the fact remains, the incontrovertible fact, the provable fact that you called it And then they began a campaign against you. And it's not because you're a racist.
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Yes.
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What is that? It's so noticeable, and I'm so blessed to be surrounded by – mostly by women who are just the opposite or wonderful, but I – who are the rock. I mean, they're just the best. However, what you just described is just on display everywhere.
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Yes, exactly.
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Or they're worshiping death in some way.
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So to just linger on the first observation that you're seeing more of the serenity, the peace from God in people, that is including people in your orbit, people you know personally? Yes.
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You've never been a racist or an anti-Semite or a crazy person, actually. You've never spewed hate. But you have for, you know, 30 years said the foundations of our system are actually kind of fake and rotten. But it was 9-11. That's when they really decided this guy has to be stopped. and just basically eliminated the First Amendment to stop you.
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Is there any way to predict, well, I'll just say my view, which is I've been really shocked by people on both sides. There are people who seem... totally seized by hysteria and rage and hate and the desire to commit violence. I never expected they would be that.
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And then there are other people who I'm equally shocked to see filled with the kind of serenity you're describing who are filled with love and understanding. And I couldn't have predicted who those people are in some cases. Do you feel that?
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They're being destroyed too. They're being destroyed too. That's like one of the main insights I've had in the past five years. I come to things really slowly because I'm not a genius. But I always kind of felt hate toward the destroyers in any society. I hate destruction. I like building and creation. But the destroyers always were, I felt, my enemies. And my whole life I felt this.
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And then it was only in the last couple of years I realized they're being destroyed also. Like, they are suffering. They're not getting out of this unscathed. Like, they think that they're getting power or whatever money, whatever they think they're getting. But they're, like, in agony.
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Exactly.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Alex Jones: Trump, Israel, Secret WW3 Plans, Dire Wolf Resurrection, Infowars Reporter Assassination
So I just think that's the most amazing fact I've ever heard in my entire life that you call that. And again, we can prove it because it's on tape with timestamps and everyone's like, oh yeah, okay, Alex Jones is crazy, I hate her. Okay, whatever. I don't think that's true, but you called 9-11 and no investigator ever called you to ask you how you called that?
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Alex Jones: Trump, Israel, Secret WW3 Plans, Dire Wolf Resurrection, Infowars Reporter Assassination
But the question has always been, why are the feds so intent on taking you out? And here's my theory. So the summer of 2001, you go on TV, timestamped, and say, someone's going to fly planes to the World Trade Centers. They're going to blame Osama bin Laden, call the Bush White House, warn them. You basically called 9-11 in detail. You're the only one who did. And we can prove that.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Alex Jones: Trump, Israel, Secret WW3 Plans, Dire Wolf Resurrection, Infowars Reporter Assassination
Not one? No. No one from DOJ? Philip Zelikow of the 9-11 Commission never called you?
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This was a war against Russia, the hate Russia for a lot of reasons, mostly spiritual. But we lost. And my concern is because nobody will say that out loud, that we're overstating our power. And in the same way that you sometimes see like divorced 60-year-old guys hitting on young women and don't realize that the young women think this is like absurd. You're like an old man. Why?
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You really think I'm going to sleep with you? But the 60-year-old guy hasn't readjusted to the reality of his present condition. He still thinks he's 25. Yeah. Did you see what I'm saying? And he humiliates himself. That can happen at the level of nations where, you know, you think you can affect outcomes that you actually don't have the power to bring about. And so that's called hubris.
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And that's how empires get destroyed and populations vaporized. And I'm really afraid of that. Like, why can't we should know that we were not able to win a conventional war against Russia? Period. So like, what does that say about our power? And maybe we should readjust our expectations a little bit. I don't want that to be true. By the way, I want, I'm rooting for, I'm American. I'm not leaving.
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My family's buried here, but like, Don't you think that we run the risk of thinking we're capable of things that we're not capable of doing?
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Alex Jones: Trump, Israel, Secret WW3 Plans, Dire Wolf Resurrection, Infowars Reporter Assassination
Well, they got in the middle of the war. This just came out the other day. The Pentagon wrote an assessment saying that they calculated that if we gave weapons to Ukraine that allowed the Ukrainian military or our military using Ukraine as a proxy to hit targets within Russia, they judged the likelihood of a nuclear exchange at 50%. And they did it anyway.
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At that point, like, you should be in prison for the criminally insane. Well, that's right.
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You're risking nuclear war. Like you should be locked up. I don't understand. Like that's the I couldn't even believe that. I mean, I, of course, intuitively knew that. And say that again. It's not a rub.
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Alex Jones: Trump, Israel, Secret WW3 Plans, Dire Wolf Resurrection, Infowars Reporter Assassination
That's important to say again for me that the Pentagon under Joe Biden assessed because they assess the likelihood of everything or they get, you know, they guess they sort of work out how they think things will progress. But in every scenario globally, they do this. This is what they do at the Pentagon.
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And they assess that if we gave certain weapons, weapons that allowed the Ukrainians to strike targets within Russia, if we did that, which we did, the chance of a nuclear exchange, nuclear holocaust that killed everybody on Earth would be 50 percent. And they did it anyway. So imagine the brain. Imagine the evil. Like you would have to be controlled by like supernatural forces to do so.
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I think there's a 50 percent chance every person on Earth could be killed in a nuclear exchange. But I'm doing it anyway. Like, why aren't you? How are you still walking free?
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did through the Ukrainians they droned the Kremlin you were there once when you saw I was there I was there I was actually driving by when I was over there last winter to interview Putin I was driving by the Kremlin just like on the street in downtown Moscow smoke coming out of the top of the of the Kremlin.
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And so I called the guy at the press office who I was dealing with to set up the Putin interview from the vehicle. And I was like, I think your Kremlin's on fire. And he's like, oh, no, no, no, it's not. I was like, I'm right there. I'm looking at it. Russians never want to admit that they have been unable to defend their capital city.
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So they, you know, a lot of murder has taken place by the Ukrainians of Russians in an attempted murder of Americans, by the way. And just think about the provocation here. And, but the Russians in every case are like, oh, that's not happening. They don't want to admit it because for a bunch of reasons, but it would force them to respond.
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But anyway, I called up and I'm like, I think you guys just got droned. No, no, didn't happen. But it did happen, I saw it, I personally saw it. So like, there's been a ton of that stuff. What would we do if the Russians droned the US Capitol or the White House? That's so freaking crazy.
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Nuclear war is not survivable. That's a fact. It's not. By the way, nuclear weapon explodes over a nuclear power plant. What happens? Anyone know?
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And we have a lot of nuclear power plants around the world.
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Oh, yeah.
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I agree. And I know everyone's for nuclear power and it's like obvious we need nuclear power. I don't, okay, I'm not against nuclear power in theory, but until someone can answer the question you just posed, like, what about that?
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Basically, they all leak. You see all these stupid conservatives like, the answer is nuclear. You want more AI data centers, comma, which I don't. The answer is coal. Obviously, but I don't understand why everyone... This is just a sidebar and I'll stop in one sentence, but like those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s remember that all the opponents to nuclear power were like...
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you know furry armpit dumb people and you know all the greenpeace people once you're just like oh shut up nuclear is obviously the solution like you just don't understand science how can you be against climate change and also against nuclear power i've said that myself like 100 times on tv But it's not about the spent fuel rods when we do with nuclear waste. That's easy. Put it in Yucca Mountain.
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It's about what if these things are untended? What if they're, you know, the subject of a conventional or nuclear attack? And you look at all the mismanagement. Massive vulnerability. Like, why doesn't anyone mention that? Before we put nuclear power plants all over my country, which I think a lot of people are psyched to do because they want to get rich from AI.
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Like, they should answer the question. That's really freaking scary, no?
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So. The threat of nuclear war overhangs any conflict with a country that has nuclear weapons, of course. You push someone far enough, you know, you don't know what could happen and it could result in the extinction of humanity. So that's like the main fact. That's why people want Iran not to have nukes, right? Obviously.
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with that in mind what do you make of the public repeated public statements by a bunch of european leaders particularly starmer um in the uk and and the president of france um that they're ready to like continue the war against russia with their own feeble armies like what that seems crazy to what what is that actually about and they've said that now they're sending their troops that if they get killed then that's direct war with nato
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For sure.
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I mean, if you go back to the... But actual, like actual insanity, not...
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Again, I think you should be in prison for even having that. That's like the craziest thing I can imagine.
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He's an amazing man. I just talked to him the day before yesterday.
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I remember.
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The concern is- It is kind of crazy that his number, I mean, I'm getting, you know, because I live in a rich people world for part of the year. I know a lot of rich people and boy, they're really upset. And I share their instinctive concern about any chaos. My parents got divorced. I hate chaos, right? So I get that.
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But from my perspective, I'll just admit it, like on my phone, it's like, I voted for Trump. What the hell is going on? You know, and I get it. I'm not, you know, criticizing anyone. But then his numbers go up.
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It shows you that you can, even I, really make a big effort to live in different places, know different people, not be a captive of my surroundings, not just live among rich people with dumb rich people attitudes. I really try to be bigger than that. And I always flatter myself that I succeed.
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But even I am like, I guess, kind of captive to that because then I see the numbers and I'm like, people really like this. His numbers went up after the tariffs. That's correct, right?
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Like, clearly, those assassinations were not lone gunmen. They were part of a much, much larger conspiracy, obviously. Everyone knows that. But those people behind those attempted murders would have been in bigger trouble had those murders succeeded, attempted murders succeeded, correct?
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I think that's so true. Yeah.
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a new viral release those are the things they've got set up ready to go and that they've said before they would use to maintain control everybody loves and appreciates first responders when things go haywire they're the ones who show up and make you safe protect you not just you but the entire country most people agree they're heroes But what happens if they can't show up?
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First responders cannot be everywhere all the time. And if there's an emergency, particularly a big emergency, there aren't enough to go around. So you have to be your own first responder. Before an ambulance arrives, before a doctor can help, it is up to you to protect yourself and your family. And if it's a medical emergency, you could be out of luck because you don't have the right medications.
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Check out Code Tucker. The first thing in countries that descend into darkness that happens is speech is controlled. And there are political police who put people who speak out against the regime in jail. And that's happening in Brazil, as you know. It's happening in the UK. It's happening in Germany. They're trying it in Canada. It's definitely happening in Canada.
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And these were formerly free countries in Australia. And so the one place that it isn't going to happen right now is the United States because of the First Amendment. So how do you end First Amendment protections? Well, you pick off people like you, which they've been trying to do for over a decade.
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And, you know, I happen to be, as I've told you many times in private, I happen to be on a fishing trip when I worked at Fox the night that you were taken off the air. And I thought it was like one of the greatest threats to speech in the United States I'd ever seen. I wasn't there and Fox News like prevented my co my fill in host from defending you because Alex Jones is bad.
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OK, that's what I realized they were in on it. But but they need to end speech in the United States. They need to shut down X. They have to. And my guess is and I hope I'm wrong that there's there is like legitimate hate and extremism on social media to the point where it makes me uncomfortable.
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I'm thinking that maybe a lot of that is manufactured, actually, and that if there is a mass shooting, and God forbid, but if there is a mass shooting of the people who've been targeted for hate on—actual hate, that's true—on social media, that that will be used as a pretext to shut it down. Absolutely, and— Has this occurred to you? Yes.
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Because I see people on social media who I know for a fact, I think I know, are being funded by the very people they're attacking. It's like, what? Including one of the biggest voices. Like, I know that that's true. And so, like, what is this? And it's clearly preparatory to some sort of event that will shut down, a violent event that will be used as a pretext to shut down free speech.
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Am I being paranoid?
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I wouldn't let – Guilty of what? Of having an unauthorized opinion of being mean or whatever? Those are all legal under the U.S. Constitution. Like, you cannot be punished for giving your opinion. I don't care how ugly other people think it is. And you've contested whether you even gave that opinion. It doesn't matter. Under our system, you're allowed to say what you think, period.
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I defended black nationalists who hate whites. Obviously, I don't agree with them. I am white. So are my kids. Like, I reject their program. But they were indicted for giving their opinions. And like, we cannot allow that. And now the ACLU is just completely captured. It's like a tranny organization, nothing to do with free speech.
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Like, where are the people who will stand up for the foundational right?
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Okay. So these are not minor issues. These are like the biggest things happening in the world. Mm-hmm. the most important things happening in the world and the end of one system ushering in of a new system millions in the end died because of all of this millions and what you're on like cable access in texas figuring this out like where is everybody else I don't understand.
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Like, I worked at CNN at the time. And we had, as you said, Peter Bergen went and interviewed Bin Laden. I'm not attacking Peter Bergen. But, like, how come you were the only one who figured this out?
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This is all because you said something that other people said they were offended by? Yes, but... How can you... I don't understand in a free country how other people being offended by what you say...
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If the state accuses you of something but doesn't charge you with it, they're fucking liars. Like, by definition, they don't. That's not on the list of options that they can just discredit you, attack your character, destroy you. No, no, no. The state has one option. If you committed a crime, they charge you with the crime and they prove you did the crime. It's that simple.
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I noticed none of the libertarians defended you either. Where was the Reason Foundation and Cato and all these supposedly freedom-minded nonprofits who are just freaking liars? None of them defended you that I know of.
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Well, as someone whose house was attacked by Antifa, I agree completely.
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It's not a guess. We have the tape. I've played the tape. 9-11 happens in September. There's a 9-11 commission immediately impaneled. They go and interview a bunch of people in the U.S. government and outside and ask, like, were there signs that this was happening? They don't interview you. You're the one guy who predicted it in public or the only guy who predicted in public.
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And all the people at the very center of our business, journalism, like they didn't see or didn't talk publicly about any of this, like none of this. Well, I saw Gary Hart on with another guest. Gary Hart, the former presidential candidate, senator from Colorado. I think it was the Hart-Rubin Commission.
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Thank you.
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And ignoring the actual mass murderer, blaming everyone but the murderer for political reasons. So, like, they're destroying you.
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Of your own building.
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You never did anything. You never broke any laws. They would have indicted you like this is all so hallucinogenic. It's so crazy.
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But your crime. Look, I just want to refer you to the very first moments of this conversation when I pointed out once again for the hundredth time you called 9-11 in detail before 9-11. So that is like, just from my perspective as an outsider and someone who knows you, that's like the defining fact of your life. That's the first sentence of your obituary. No one did that. Only you.
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That fact, I think, is responsible for everything that has come after.
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So where's the DOJ? Where's I mean, this is a test for the new Department of Justice. you know, brought in on the explicit promise to end the corruption, stop using our justice system, which my ancestors helped build and yours too, as a political army mobilized against domestic political opponents. That's not allowed. That's like Haiti stuff. We don't do that. It's not a Tauntaun Makuta.
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It's the FBI. They promised to do that. So can they help you? Are they helping you?
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Oh, that's for sure.
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And they own your archive of content.
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The new onion owner is just an intel cutout, I mean.
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I'm very aware, yes.
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Yeah.
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It's like the Babylon Bee. It's also fake.
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I'm aware.
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Oh, I know.
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So meanwhile, Adam lands is the guy who murdered all those children is totally forgotten.
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I agree. And you'd love to talk to the person who negotiated that deal and see if he's aware of it.
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Yeah.
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So I wonder what they got. Yeah. You know, I don't know.
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That's exactly right.
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You are, but it hasn't worked. And so I want to make a prediction because I just want to be on tape saying this. I'm going to say it again even more clearly this time. And, of course, I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But I do think a lot of the really crazy, bitter ethnic hate that you see on social media is fake. It's it's people are saying it don't mean it.
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I think it's like, you know, the Klansmen you'd see marching and you're like, they're no Klansmen. Like what? And of course, you find out that it's all it's fake. And it's designed to convince people that there's like a lot of roiling ethnic hatred that doesn't really exist. And. And that's a predicate.
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Exactly. It's Charlottesville. That's happening online right now. And I know that it is. And I think that at some point, I pray I'm wrong, but there's going to be an act of violence, ethnic inspired violence of hate, hate inspired violence, actual hate, like killing people. And I really hope I'm wrong.
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But I feel like this is real and that that event will be used to shut down free speech on social media. Because that is the threat. And you saw it with TikTok, like, oh, we need to ban TikTok because China owns it. No, nothing to do with China. It had everything to do with opinions that the people in charge didn't like being expressed there.
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And it's like, we're just going to, and the Congress went along with it. But if there's an act of violence and innocents are murdered, and I pray that doesn't happen because I hate that above all, but it has happened and it
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i feel like it could happen again and people say and a lot of good people will go along with it just like they went along with the censorship of you and the destruction of your life because they were told like he's bad he had something to do with murdering children and then people just shut down they're like You know, I don't know. Alex Jones is sending with murdering children.
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So whatever they do to Alex Jones, like it's fine.
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Yeah, or something else like that. But where innocents are murdered by a crazy person, a crazy person, or maybe an actual crazy person used or whatever, or maybe it just happens organically. Maybe if you stoke enough ethnic division online, it's clearly bad. I mean, there are people who have, you know, views that are... You know, we're mad at other ethnicities. I mean, that's that's real.
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OK, but there are also big actors who are not real. They're doing it on purpose. And we know who they are. Yes, we do know who they are. And for strategic reasons, I'm not I don't want to get involved in all that.
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filth but um let's just say we've seen the documents separately a hundred percent and they're stoking this stuff and maybe it just organically inspires someone to commit murder a mass murder and again i just pray as someone who hates all violence to say it again i pray that's not the case but let's just say this the people they're mainly attacking are the ones financing them it's the oldest trick in the book yeah hegelian dialectic and so just be aware of that ladies and gentlemen
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Yeah, and I just don't – yeah. And I think you're – and the only reason I bring that up is because I worry about it every day.
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And no one calls you to ask, how the hell did you know that? Which is the obvious question. Then they set about trying to destroy you. Rather than like hailing you as a prophet or at least asking the question, how the hell did Alex Jones know in detail this was coming? How did you know? They never even ask you. And then they mobilize DOJ and FBI against you.
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Free speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, it's not a free society. You're a slave. If you can't say what you think, you're a slave. It's really simple. And we don't have slavery in this country. It's a free country.
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100%.
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He was inspired by hate online. Therefore, you're not allowed to have like legitimate opinions or your own opinions. And, you know, God can decide whether they're legitimate or not. But if you're a free man, a free person, you have a right to say what you really believe, period. And that cannot be encumbered or else you're a slave.
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Well, give me give me your five minute. I mean, that I should say, I think this interview is going up tonight. We're going to try to get it up in a few hours. But that's such a dynamic situation. Steve Wyckoff apparently is meeting directly with the Iranians, which I think is such a great that's a blessing. But and I hope for the best. But give us your five minute overview.
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Like, what is that and where is that going?
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So I often get, you know, people I know.
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I'm aware, yeah.
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I don't know anything other than I think that people in charge of a bunch of different countries are like reckless on a level that's without precedent in the modern era. And I don't think they're serving their own people, by the way, leaders like that. It's not just like, you know, you've got a bellicose leader who's threatening war or whatever. It doesn't necessarily mean the people he...
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rules are being served. He's putting their lives at risk. Our leaders have put our lives at risk for no good reason. And so, you know, I'm hardly an expert in anything. I'm just an observer. And it's just all so obvious. And I'm really worried about my last question to you is. You get this sense that there's like a spirit of dullness or fantasy.
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Maybe it's connected to living digitally or something. But like smart, aware people are no longer smart or aware. They're sort of sleepwalking through this incredibly dangerous moment and they don't even acknowledge reality.
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Me too, me too.
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Yes.
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You know, you just you pray you live long enough to affect good in the world. And I definitely pray that for you. Alex Jones, thank you.
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So basically, you're just taking them at their word. You're just paying. You're doing what I don't do enough, which is listen to people I disagree with and sincerely try to assess what they're saying.
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And I think there's a connection between those two facts.
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So in a normal world that rewarded, you know, excellence and prescience, you'd be a billionaire because of your predictive powers. I mean, huge companies, governments hire people. who can piece together fragments of evidence to create an accurate picture of the future. That's a huge business. I know a lot of people in that business. George Friedman, guys like that are really, really smart people.
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But you've got the best track record of all. And I think it's so telling that rather than reward you for this or call you up and be like, Alex Jones, what do you think is coming next? They're like, no, we must like eliminate our own First Amendment to destroy your life, which is what they've done. That that seems like a pretty clear indicator of their guilt to me.
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Well, especially on the basis of no good reason, on the basis of like the most corrupt motives, pressure from lobbyists to oppose. And I just want to be clear, it's Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard we're talking about. I think you're absolutely right. And they're going to impugn their characters. This is how DC has operated for way too long. Tulsi Gabbard has never had a sip of alcohol in her life.
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It's been over a decade since Edward Snowden, who is a hero, exposed the US government for spying on its citizens. He didn't commit the crime they did, but he, of course, was punished.
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Now, you would think that the information that he brought to the public would cause permanent Washington to pause, reflect, apologize for violating the Constitution to the United States, the privacy and the rights of American citizens. But that's not what happened. No, Ed Snowden is still in exile.
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And in fact, just this year, the House of Representatives extended the rights of government agencies to spy on you. This is happening in public. It's infuriating to watch. American citizens have lost, as of today, the battle with their government to have privacy and freedom. You're being watched. So what can you do? Congress is not going to help you. Well, you can actually do something.
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So just name three trends that are... Well, I guess Biden's still president, that have been in progress the last four years that we could not sustain for another four years.
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So J.D. Vance said something I thought so I'd never have forgotten it during the election. And he said the Republican Party needs to be like a legit opposition party and needs to oppose the other side. Like we need two parties. OK, we need to be in balance. And one of the things that the other side does in this, this is the key to Pelosi.
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You know, Pelosi is like kind of an idiot, but she's really tough. Yes. Like actually tough. And she'd sit people down and just have, you know, daughter of a mafia mayor, like she knows how to do this, from Baltimore. Right. And just like, let's be clear about what's going to happen if you do that. And I don't know a single person in the Republican Party who will do that.
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There are a lot of moist handshakes in the Republican leadership.
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Yeah, so I've watched this, like, for decades, and it's driving me slowly. It's slowly driving me crazy. But why isn't there, like, an outside group, like a 501c3 of some sort, or c4, I guess, to do this? This has been one of my arguments. It's like, we're going to extract a cost if you don't serve... Your voters. It's super simple.
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You got elected on a program, ignored the program and the people who voted for the program in favor of lobbyists. I can't do that anymore. I'm going to hurt you.
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It's gone.
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Well, and it's not just that. I mean, I look at people, including some in leadership, who clearly have had a hard conversation with someone who's like, we've got your online porn records, or we know who your boyfriend is, or, you know, you got wasted on a CODEL to Croatia and acted like a pig, and we know that. I mean, clearly, these are people who are being blackmailed.
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Like, I can think of one in particular who's clearly being blackmailed. And I'm against blackmail, but I'm also in favor of serving your constituents, of restoring democracy to the United States. People vote for something, they should get it. And they're not getting it, and they never get it. And I'm just... The republic is in the balance.
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I do think a lot of meaningful reform will come from outside the party as it has on the left. They've been really effective and thoughtful in building up outside organizations that fund their party and keep it aligned, keep it on the track that they think it should be on. Of course, I find their goals repugnant, but I think they've been very clever.
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Yeah, and have the right goals. I mean, power is never an end in itself. It's, you know, it's harnessed in service of fighting corruption and improving the lives of the people who live here.
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So with the caveat that in the end all politics is disappointing because the point of life is not power or politics. It's, you know, it's God in my opinion.
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But... And you're always going to be disappointed the closer you get to the political process, the more horrified you're going to be that you grew up around it. I should say, I mean, your father was.
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But it doesn't mean that one outcome is not better than the other. One outcome is better than the other. So with that in mind, now that we've lowered the bar a little bit, let's just start. What are you excited about? What can this administration achieve in the next couple of years?
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It's a big ask of a cabinet secretary because in cutting your staff, you cut your power. Yeah. That's my concern. Yeah. Capture.
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Doge. These are not federal employees. Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, they're not going to become federal employees, but they're going to oversee what they're saying is the most transformative effort ever to shrink government, to do to the federal government what Elon did to Twitter.
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How will that work?
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Yes, and both have put their prestige on the line. Yep. So they're highly motivated to show results by July 4th, 2026.
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A quick way to pair it, I think, pretty significantly would be to cancel the security clearances of the contractors who work – because the federal government is – Its employees are just a percentage of its overall workforce. A lot of them are contractors.
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Exactly. All of the contractors attached to the national security state, which comprises the entire economy of, say, Northern Virginia. Right. Where I'm from. Where you're from. Exactly. These are the richest zip codes in the country because they're all federal contractors. And you could end... their employment tomorrow by canceling the security clearances.
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I mean, they can't work there without security clearance. They can't enter the building.
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defined but terrifying sea monster.
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Obviously, Donald Trump's showing up. Well, Biden announced this week, I mean, as if he hasn't started enough wars. I mean, he started all kinds of wars. I mean, we're in battle with the Houthis right now. Right. But Biden just announced...
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How low are your standards if Karl's a genius?
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Not questions or answers. The deputy director of the FBI was deep-throated.
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Richard Nixon should have held – I mean, he was an institutionalist in a lot of ways. Nixon, he was like too responsible for his own good. But if he had just held a primetime news conference live – and said, let me tell you what's actually going on here.
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CIA and FBI have colluded to kick me out because I'm a threat to permanent Washington institutional power, and that's just a fact, and here are some details that you might like to know, you know, that five out of six of the Watergate burglars were actually CIA employees. Yeah, exactly. And the guy, this reporter from the Washington Post, is actually... worked in the White House.
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He was sent over by the Pentagon to work in the White House as a naval intel officer two years ago. This guy's not a reporter. Bob Woodward's not a reporter. It's also fake.
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That's such a smart description of the difference between Donald Trump and Richard Nixon is that Trump said aloud what was actually happening. And I think that's why they tried to assassinate him in Butler, Pennsylvania, among other places. So thank you for that.
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It does raise the question, like, why can't you? I know. Why can't you? Why has no one else said that? Right. Why has no one ever explained what the UFO program is about or who killed Kennedy or what happened on 9-11? Like, just the obvious things. Nobody. Why is no other president, not that Trump has revealed the truth about any of those things, but. Hopefully someday soon. Yeah.
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But I think we're getting closer just to knowing what the government's been doing for the past 80 years. But you have to wonder about all the other presidents. Right. Like, the amount of things that every American president has not said. Right. The amount of things that people just very obviously lied about. Like, why? What are they so afraid of?
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You just got elected by the population of the most powerful country in the world. Why do you care? You got your army behind you. They're your voters. Why can't you tell obvious truths about things? Like, what are you afraid of exactly? That is, I mean, if you want to understand people's behavior. Right. Look at it through that lens. What are they not saying? What are they not doing?
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What are the limits they're imposing on themselves? And why are they imposing those limits? Why are they doing that? What exactly are you afraid of? You control the Pentagon and the FBI. Right. It's not like you don't have bodyguards. Right. You've got tens of thousands of bodyguards. It's a great question.
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I totally agree. But it would be interesting to know what the control mechanisms are. And if you last thing, I'll shut up. But the last thing I would just recommend anyone watching is to go pull the audio of Richard Nixon in the Oval Office speaking to the then CIA director about. among other things, the Kennedy assassination and the fear or the sort of deference that Nixon has is very striking.
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Nixon's a pretty brave guy in a lot of ways, but like... You know, you're talking to your employee. You're talking to your housekeeper. Like, you don't need deference. What? Answer the freaking question, pal, or I'll fire you. There's none of that in his voice. None. No, I know. Because... You've got employees. Would you tiptoe around when you talk to them? Like, did you finish the assignment?
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Are you embarrassed to ask that? No. They're your employees.
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He's not really talking to his employees. He's not talking to his employees.
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Okay. But that was the point from day one. Chris will defund you. I mean, why is that?
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Why did the Speaker of the House sign off on a new FBI building? Great question. What's that? Can we just, okay, let's just be totally blunt now. What is that? The Republican Speaker of the House. who strikes me as like an out-of-the-closet liberal, out-of-the-closet liberal, more than weak, working for the other side.
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They seem afraid of their enemies, but not of their friends.
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They seem more eager to please their enemies than to please their allies. But what end? In hopes that they'll get eaten last?
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And I hope all the media people I used to work with who hated me for saying that apologize because now the evidence.
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So he pardons the J6 defendants. Amen. I think he will. He said he will. Yep. Immediately. But is, I mean, Biden just pardoned a bunch of murderers, including people who murdered children and drug dealers. Yep. So, I mean, there's a precedent for, you know, big pardons. Do you think there's a lot of people are going to get pardoned? I hope so.
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Speaking of spending, so you said the goal has to be to uproot the tree, not just pare down its branches. Right, the American Leviathan. This is the tree. If there is a debt crisis, and I think everyone is, whether they say it out loud or not, really concerned about, you know. What are we, 36 trillion? Right, and by debt crisis –
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I mean specifically the reluctance of other countries and institutions to buy our debt. Right. Because then we're really hamstrung. Could a debt crisis, which is probably coming at some point, be used to uproot the tree? Yeah. Because it's like very expensive to have a government this big.
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Why? And what do you think? Why do you think it's a good idea that he's going to run the FBI?
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I know personally, someone I'm close to the other day just told me, a middle-class person, solid, you know, probably makes...
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higher than i mean i don't know probably makes 160 a year if i had to guess um which used to be considered pretty solid pretty darn good salary i was shocked when i made 100 grand a year yeah um when i was in my 30s but anyway um right i worried about food prices yes no i know it's kind of shocking when you realize that people that are making what would be considered used to be considered pretty good salary kind of rich yeah yeah we're feeling a little pinched here
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For the sake of the country. I think it's important for the White House to lead on issues like that.
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but it's just how about no how about no i i would very much like donald trump to say the fbi does not deserve a new headquarters yeah that and a lot of other issues you know just like just make statements yeah exactly what happens to uh kamala harris now where does she go from here where does she go i know you're not a democrat but the the ash heap of history
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But like, you know, typically you run for president and you lose on the Democratic side and you get, well, John Kerry's our climate czar, I guess, right? And there's always a soft landing for the loser, right?
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And then all of a sudden realized in June, this isn't going to cut it. I'm glad they didn't make her like a commercial airplane pilot. I mean, America got out pretty easy.
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I kind of do. Maybe I'm the liberal here, but I feel like she's a victim of self-esteem culture. And I think... She's allowed herself to be that, though.
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Great life.
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Yeah. No, you're right. But that's true. But she's also just a vessel for the ambitions of others. She's almost like an innocent bystander kidnapped off the street, just human trafficked into her current position. Do you know what I mean? It's like you just look like the kind of person.
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Okay, so sorry, I just wanted to, because I think it's just a, you know, stopping the destruction or slowing it down is itself a win, as you noted. Exactly.
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No. I'm going to have to think about that. Maybe I'm the liberal, but I just – she's so dumb. And you just could, what is that phrase they use, imposter syndrome? Yes. Where you sort of know that you're not qualified to be doing what you're doing. And people say they feel that way, but her whole life was that. She has no future in national politics. For sure.
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So will she be the head of the douchebag foundation or wherever they sort of put people like that?
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I think they should be required to keep her in the public eye. Like George Floyd. I always, like once we, remember we declared him Jesus? I don't know if you remember that. I wanted to keep talking about George Floyd. Like why don't we have George Floyd day? Like let's talk about, you know, his porn career and his drug addiction and his armed robbery conviction.
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I think they are more than happy for her to just simply fade away. Yeah, so I don't think they should be allowed to do that. I don't think they should be able to do memory hole Carmela Harris. Like she should have to explain how her first name is pronounced and why and why she doesn't do so consistently.
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I think she should be forced to talk a lot more just to like make them live, like make the dog return to his vomit. Right. That's what we should make them do. We should. Where is Kamala Harris? She's like the greatest joy spreader this country's ever seen. How did she disappear?
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She should be president of Harvard. I think, no, I'm serious. You should take their most beloved institution, the most rotten, corrupt, disgusting, overrated. You should start a petition on this. For real. Like, she's such a genius. She's so incredibly accomplished. She's the most accomplished woman who ever ran for president. She should be required to be the head of Harvard.
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Yes. Sure, let's do it.
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Yeah. Yeah, she's gone. What about Jill Biden? Dr. Jill? Dr. Jill. Sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to be sexist. She has an education degree from the University of North Delaware or whatever. You mean our first female president?
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His sister was telling people, I know that, before he ran for president.
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Tony Blinken, I think, was running. You think Blinken? I do. Yeah. But certainly the meaningful parts.
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Yeah.
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Joe Scarborough. This is the greatest version of Biden ever.
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The one thing I always liked, well, actually, honestly, a couple of things I always liked about Hunter Biden. I know you're not supposed to say it, but, you know, I knew him well and I always kind of liked him. And drug addiction was his real, you know, he became a monster because of cocaine and pills, as many do. But he hated her. Really? Oh, he thought she was a screaming bitch.
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And he said so in person and he said so in writing on his laptop. Oh, yeah. He said that she was a bitch and stupid. And I think that's a fair assessment from someone who spent his life living with her. Like he would, if anyone would know what Dr. Jill is really like, it's her stepson, Hunter, who started dating his dad when he was like four or something.
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And I don't know why Republicans didn't make more of that. Everyone wanted to focus on the crack and the toe-sucking and everything, but Dr. Jill is stupid and a bitch. Yeah. I don't know. I thought that was great.
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Yes.
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But they wouldn't fight. One of the brights, no, they wouldn't. One person who I think is a true bright spot in the Republican Party, there are a couple, but- The brightest of all, in my view, is J.D. Vance. Yes. Who has a gut level understanding of everything you just said is legit smart, smarter than I think people understand, like actual high IQ character.
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Not a ton of those in politics and also a decent person, kind of normal person. So he's now vice president. What does that mean?
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Well, as a man, I spent my life in TV. I can tell you that. I mean, I don't think that beating someone, a lot of these people are stupid, like beating George Stephanopoulos or Margaret Brennan or something.
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Right. No self-respect. Right. But what I found amazing as someone who did it for a living my whole life was not just that he won the arguments, he's smarter than they are, is that he did something that I could not do, which is remain kind of cheerful. Calm. Charming, calm. Yep. Retain, you know, just enormous self-control. And I couldn't do that.
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I think I could probably beat Margaret Brennan in an argument, I hope. Right. But I would come off as like sneering and angry and anti-women or You know what I mean? No, I know. But J.D. was amazing. I could not do that.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Not directly related to Trump or even politics, but I... So we've had all these problems with the labor market, and COVID made them much worse, paying people to stay home, so they did. So a lot of the service industry is being replaced by robots, like you check out at the airport. at the kiosk and you, you know what I mean? There's no one there. Automation. Automation.
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So I've watched for the past four years as the left systematically has destroyed law enforcement and order in our cities. And like, who would want to be a cop at this point? It's too hard a job. You don't have the legal protections you had. It's physically dangerous and everyone hates you and you don't get paid anything. Right. So you're going to have a massive crisis.
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You have a massive crisis in law enforcement because no one wants to be a cop. Right. That void will be filled by technology. It'll be filled by drones. And it'll be filled by other technology. It'll be basically replaced by a tech surveillance state that will make civil liberties absolutely impossible.
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You can't have civil liberties in a pan-omnicon or whatever they call it, in a world where technology knows everything that you're doing and saying and maybe even thinking. Right. And I don't feel like people are worried enough about that. Like you could make New York City safe. Right. With drones. Right. You could prevent any traffic violations whatsoever with robots. But what's behind it?
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There's nothing neutral in life. With total control of the population. It is. Through technology. So I... We're moving toward that. I don't hear anybody saying anything about it.
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Like science, it's neutral. Take the COVID facts.
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That's what I'm saying.
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So you can't introduce any massive disruptive change really against the will of the population. You need consent. And the only way you get consent is by terrifying them and making them feel like your solution, while imperfect, is better than what they have.
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Keeping them ignorant. What I'm saying is you create chaos. You destroy your cities. State of fear. You create a state of fear. You do to people with crime and immigration what COVID did.
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The network that was requiring vaccines, COVID vaccines for their employees, you mean? A lot of people were. Newsmax, by the way, was. Nothing is faker than Newsmax.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this is why the Bobby Kennedy nomination is essential. It's like, whatever you think of Bobby Kennedy, I love Bobby Kennedy, but don't agree with him on everything, of course. But Bobby Kennedy was the opposition to that. And he should be rewarded.
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It's just funny that the people who make Xanax, who should be in prison for making Xanax, in my opinion, kills a lot of people, destroys so many lives. Those people are lecturing me about how Bobby Kennedy is bad. You make Xanax? Right. And you're telling me Bobby Kennedy is bad. Who, by the way, also started the opioid crisis. All the things that have gone through big pharma over the years.
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Opioids are obvious. Xanax is very subtle. Everyone's on Xanax. Try to get off Xanax. You know, these people, I think they're criminals.
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Yeah, I agree with that completely. So just bottom line it for us having spent, by the way, when you wrote this book, like what kind of mood were you in? It must've been, felt pretty dark.
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They're also hilarious ideas.
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But there is also a lot to look forward to and a lot to be comforted by. Yes. And I just want to go through with you, if we could, since you were right in the middle of this election. Yep. Working on behalf, outside the campaign, but on behalf. Very hard project. Yes. reform and on behalf of the country, really, you know the answers to this question.
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I agree with that strongly.
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So many threads, but before we get to, no, no, I think it's a great overview.
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I don't think you can tolerate that. I don't either. Because it's one thing to get like, and I don't want to, you know, I don't want to attack anybody. This hasn't even started. But, you know, there are some nominees who are just like, whatever. They're like everyone. They don't have views that are consistent with what Trump ran on. That's a fact.
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And so if the Republican Congress rubber stamps their buddies... whatever. Right. But I'm sorry, they're not in charge of the Republican Party. They're a lot less popular than Donald Trump. And I don't understand if you're, you know, Bobby Kennedy's point was like really important. He's not a perfect person, but we have a system that is killing people and he's a step in the right direction.
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Same with Tulsi. Yeah. She's not a perfect person. No one is, but our foreign policy is insane and it's hurting the United States. So like, why wouldn't the White House call over to Republican senators and say, you get in our way, we're going to crush you. How's that sound? I mean it. No, I've proposed this to certain people behind the scenes. Yeah, like, let's go.
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We're not going to put up with that.
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What are the things that you're looking forward to over the next four years?
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the story well let's be honest tulsi gabbard and bobby kennedy are opposed by lobbyists that's what opposes them right bobby kennedy is opposed by pharma and ag lobbyists tulsi gabbard is opposed by lobbyists acting on behalf of foreign countries that's a fact yeah so there is no reason that lobbyists should take precedent over the population of the united states
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And so why wouldn't you say to a cop, I can think of a cop. Yeah, but then you're acting, so, but D.C.
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But where's the cleansing sort of justice where you call up certain senators, I'm not going to name names. You should. And say, not only will we primary you and make certain you lose your Senate seat, we'll make certain you don't get a job after you leave the Senate. And then we're going to unleash some of the toughest people in the Republican Party to take a really close look at you. Yeah.
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We're going to do to you what you plan to do to our nominees.
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But also, if you're going to attack, if you're going to sit back and allow people to call Bobby Kennedy a nutcase and Tulsi Gabbard an agent of a foreign power, really? I mean, I'm thinking of one senator in particular from the Northeast. You know, whatever, without even getting in. Right. These are people who are vulnerable. Yes. Really? We're going to look into Bobby Kennedy's behavior?
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Well, how about we look into yours?
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I'm sick of this. I know.
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Well, we need the flaming sword of justice at a certain point.
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I don't have a problem at all with the idea that there's physical evolution. My problem is with the question of the creation of all things.
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There is no God but us.
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No, no, but I'm not even, no, I know that you think that and it's obvious in how you live that you think that. But I want to get more focused on just like the reality of it. Like if there is no supernatural, then like what is all this stuff? Right.
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And you texted me and said... I'm an actual evolutionary biologist. We need to have this conversation. So we haven't. Yep. So I will just restate my one sentence position, which is, I think, I don't know about the timeline or the means. I'm not interested. But I think that people are a creation of God, not an accident of biology. That's my position. Yeah.
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physical connection. I think that's, I mean, I think there's a practical effect of doing the right thing, and it's a good thing, right? Right. So, but I'm more interested in the question, among others, of like knowing. How do we know things on the basis of no evidence that are true? How do we How do we know? But we do know.
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So that's kind of my point, is that very often the deepest truths come to us apart from outside of our senses.
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I mean, out of sight. I'm 500 miles from my spouse and we have the same thought at the same moment.
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How is that natural?
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So, anyway, I would... Can I just bring you back to the beginning, though? Sure. If... You said that the principle of parsimony is usually true, like the simplest explanation is the likely explanation. So my explanation for the creation of all things is God, who is not created, but only creates, created all things. Pretty simple. Your explanation is what?
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So here's the... I guess the other kind of thematic problem I have with thinking about everything in terms of evolution is that I don't think people are evolving. Oh. Human behavior... I mean, look, the written record doesn't go very far. The first legal code we have is Hammurabi's code. It's just a few thousand years old. But it's still a while. Yep.
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And a lot has happened in the ensuing thousands of years. And, like, that's totally recognizable as a legal code to anyone who reads it. Yep. And... You know, people are just kind of the same as they have always been to the extent that we know how they have been, right?
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Really?
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In what ways have people evolved?
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So just to rewind a couple of minutes, you said that genetics determine culture?
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So underlying all of this is a question we don't need to get into this, but like... if there's no God, then how is there a moral code at all? Like, why can we say that it's better to raise a child than to kill a child? I still don't, I've never understood that. But let's just, for the sake of argument, let's just say we all agree that it's better to raise a child than to kill a child. Yep.
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And we've always agreed that, on that. Yep. From the beginning of record history. So, for whatever reason, we all think that. there seems to be very little evidence that people are getting better. And so the Christian perspective is that people are captive to sin, to the influence of supernatural evil forces on them, which I think is like everyone's experience, by the way.
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You don't have to be a Christian to know that that's true. And we're constantly fighting to keep those at bay, but they reemerge and they serially reemerge. Right. And they there seems to be no evidence they're going to stop reemerging. So like that's not evolution. That's stasis. Oh, no, no, no.
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But that's not, but my question was not, I agree with you completely. Virtue produces rewards. I mean, I think that's right. And you don't have to be a Christian or a theist to believe that. My question is deeper. Why do we all assume that life is better than death, that kindness is better than cruelty, that it's better to pass on your genes than to go extinct?
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I mean, these are all moral judgments that seem impossible in the absence of a God. Well, I don't think they're impossible. I just think they're incredibly cumbersome. Well, they're arbitrary. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, you can't you can say, well, I prefer one, but you can't say one is like absolutely better than the other says who. I think there's only one of them that's arbitrary.
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I get it. I get it. But then you're back to the practical analysis of it. Right. what you described as arbitrary because it's the root of everything. Well, I agree. It is. Yeah. And look, I love this confusion, right?
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It makes it difficult to, I don't understand on what basis people make judgments about, say, murder if they don't believe that there's a higher power. I just don't get that.
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Right, and I would say that everything you're saying, which is complex, quite, is an argument for a creator, right? Because the design is so brilliant as you're describing it, and the end result, of course, is like, it's a perpetuation of the species, of all species, that like, that's an accident? Like, because you're describing a system with intent, and that intent comes from where?
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You're describing a system with a goal.
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I mean, this doesn't make any sense. No, no, it makes a lot of sense. It doesn't make any sense without, I don't want to use the phrase intelligent design, but like. Well, let's take a parallel example. Okay. We can trip over the parallel example. I just think you've made an amazing case for God. And I don't know if you thought of yourself as an evangelist. No, no. You just convinced me.
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But it expresses a value though. And the value is life is better than death.
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I'm not sure. I mean, it's a semantic question. I don't see a huge difference between the two.
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It wouldn't really tell you anything useful.
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That's the point. Right. So what I see by your description is an entire universe screaming at the top of its collective lungs, life is better than death. No, no, only the living stuff thinks that. Well, I mean, there's... I'm not exactly sure we can measure or define living as precisely as we think we can, but whatever. I mean... Yeah, look...
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But in general, things that we describe as living, that we can observe, are all moving in the same direction. And the message, being a message guy, I can discern this, life is better than death.
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Tucker and Bret Weinstein Debate Evolution, God’s Existence, Israel, and Will AI Gain Consciousness?
Okay, so the Hebrews explained it this way, and the Christians too, that... The process is inherent in the description. So the creator is the force that creates and is not himself created. Right. So, in other words, there is, God was not created. God has always been there, period.
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Yeah, why can't both be true?
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But only one describes the purpose of it, the origin of it. Only one is useful for a living. No, but I'm saying the theist believes he understands why this is happening. Right. The atheist has no idea. Well, in a sense. So really, that's the question. It's not a question of how things happen. It's a question of why they happen. Well, I'm trying to talk to two camps in a sense.
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there's not another person i know who i could have a conversation on this topic about in the way that we're doing and i and i just want to say i think you're one of the most open-minded in the in a good way people i've ever met thank you and um people can't you know the theist and the atheist can have a kind of scripted dance but it's hard for them to have like a real conversation
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And I feel like we are, and so I'm grateful for that. And I was just thinking, you know who Sam Harris is? Yeah, I do know Sam. And I think he seems smart, and I think he clearly is smart. But there's something, I watched a video, I don't know him really, but I saw a video of him once taking up the atheist cause.
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And it's not up to me to help the atheists sell their program, because I disagree with it. But I remember thinking, man, if I was an atheist, I'd be very upset that Sam Harris was carrying my atheist water bottle. because I felt like he was a very bad, very bad spokesman for his cause.
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So, no, we definitely don't, because everything apart from God is created.
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obviously religious in some sense, which is ironic for... And his anger seems to be not at religion necessarily, but at Islam. He's mad about Islam.
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Well, it's all very interesting that a lot of these issues, which would seem to have nothing to do with COVID, do come back to COVID and to the Middle East, by the way.
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I feel like I'm watching that right now. On which topic? On the Middle East. As someone who, I mean, we all flatter ourselves. I probably flatter myself more than most. But if you were to x-ray my heart, you would find someone who sincerely believes he's got moderate humane positions on these topics. I'm not really against anybody.
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Actually, I know both sides personally, you know, broadly speaking personally. And like, I kind of see their point on both sides and like, I just want less violence. I guess that's sort of, that's my, that's how I understand my issue. I mean, my position on these issues. And I definitely don't want the United States to be dragged into any of this craziness. I can't get that message out.
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It's like... Yeah. It's not allowed. No. I mean, maybe people think that's an extreme position. That is my sincere, as God watches, that's my position. So, I just try to avoid it if I can, unfortunately. They're just pushing... Uh, the Republicans in the Senate particularly are pushing us toward war with Iran. So I feel like I can't not talk about it. But but but you tell me your your views.
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I mean, are you following this stuff?
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threads competing in my opinion inside the state of israel so really you're saying it's old testament versus new testament i am the new testament is universalist and jesus says this again and again i'm here for everybody it doesn't matter what your bloodline is i'm here for everybody and i'm also opposed to violence and i'm going to show you that i'm opposed to violence because when one of the disciples tries to use a sword against the guy who's arresting him to torture him to death jesus scolds the disciple for using violence even then
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So, like, those are rat, one is Western, one is Eastern. I would, I mean, or whatever, however you want to, whatever you want to describe those two hemispheres as being, but they're, those are the two hemispheres, and it's like, it's in the same book.
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And whether or not you think that God inspired the writing of those two stories, they're still two different stories.
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No, but I mean the Old and New Testaments. Oh, right. Those two stories. Yes. And I know that there's a... I'm no theologian, but...
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You told me something fascinating when we had lunch this fall, and you said that the medical freedom movement, the movement that arose in the wake of COVID to assess, like, what was that and how can we not do that again? Totally reasonable.
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was getting blown up from the inside over israel and i remember saying to you what does israel have to do with it i feel the same way about what's happening right now it's like okay people have views on israel okay great but why is that the issue that i think is really fracturing trump's coalition i mean i just see it every single day everyone's more upset about that than anything going on in the united states like
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It feels like sabotage. Maybe it's organic. What are we watching here? Yeah, I don't think we know.
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I agree.
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But if you had asked me five years ago... What will be like the most passionate debate in the United States at a moment where we're probably in recession and have more homeless people than ever, suicide rates up, life expectancy, all these problems, debt overhang that is going to crush us. What's going to be the issue that people are going to be the maddest about?
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Far away Middle Eastern country with 10 million people. Like, really? I don't get that at all. Well, I wonder.
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Exactly. Thank you for saying that. I feel like you are the only people who remember this, and it just happened. I can't believe the degree to which we've forgotten.
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And it made Iran stronger, by the way. Of course. And now it's back on the table. If evolution is real, how come nobody ever learns anything? Well, I'm just, I'm totally kidding. I'm totally kidding. I don't need to go back into that, but like the resistance of people to learn obvious lessons, it just like blows me away. Well.
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And so, people can put aside this... There's tons of Jewish businessmen in the Gulf. Right. You know, collaborating with Muslim businessmen. Of course. Yeah. So...
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I agree completely. Killing people for what their ancestors did? I mean, that couldn't be more anti-Christian. It couldn't be more unreasonable. Everything about it I despise. I'm just fascinated by the dominance of this conversation in American politics. I mean, part of it's real. We're moving toward war with Iran. That's the only reason I'm involved in it is because of that.
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That's the only reason. And so you kind of have to respond to it, right? Unless you want your country to go to war yet again. But it's more than that. It's like, it does feel like this is being pushed on us, like the race stuff was pushed on us.
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But how did that issue even, I mean, I don't even know all my kids' positions on the Middle East, and they're my children, and I talk to them every day. It's like, it just doesn't occur to me to bring...
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that up out of context do you know what i mean where are you on bb it's i don't care like how did that wind up in a discussion of what to do about the mrna vaccine i just think that's it seems completely unrelated it's it's madness um it seems that way it seems to me that the right thing to do is to recognize we have a whole lot of common ground and then there's an issue on which we apparently don't and frankly
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Yeah. Was that organic? Because if I'm Pfizer and I'm like mad at you, Brett, I'm going to inject that into your group chat somehow. Yeah.
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That is crazy. Where were you? I... I haven't even followed up asking about this in private, but were you considered too pro-Israel or not supportive enough?
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I mean, I haven't even really even talked to you about Israel ever until right now at length, so I'm not exactly sure what your views are, but from everything you've said so far... You seem what we used to call it moderate and sensible. I agree with you.
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Totally agree. What does that even mean?
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Yeah. Okay. That's a way better way to put it.
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I agree. And I think in both cases, well, certainly in the case of B.B., I think the system itself, a parliamentary system which Israel has, it's complicated. The politics are so complicated. I've been in and out of Israel a lot in my life, and I pay attention. I don't understand it. I'm sure there are Israelis who don't really understand their system. Maybe that's the answer.
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He's good at politics.
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I do think what you're seeing here is a variation of what you always see, which is the people who are often in good faith speaking out on behalf of some group are not actually serving that group's interests at all. Right. At all. And I don't think it's always cynical. I just want to be charitable.
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You know, I think there are people who really think they're doing the right thing, but they are not serving the objective they think they're serving. Your description, what you just said, you said you might get attacked for it. I mean, what you just said seems so humane and measured and thoughtful, not creepy, not hateful. How could anyone attack you for saying that?
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So I've been thinking a lot about why that has changed. And I think it's because there's too much lying. And people, or there's a perception, I think there's too much lying. And I think that people can't sort of relax and accept that the person telling them a point of view really believes that point of view. There's less sincerity than there used to be. And
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You know, someone like Matt Walsh or I had my next interview I did was with Ben Cohen. Ben and Jerry's just like totally liberal on everything. But he's liberal on the question of war. And so I completely agree with him. So I wanted to hear him. And I what a wonderful, what a nice man. But I just thought the thing that Matt Walsh and Ben Cohen had in common was they're both totally sincere.
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They're completely sincere. Like you can disagree completely. Or agree or whatever, but they really mean what they say. And I think if you live in a world where the public discourse is this dishonest, where everyone has some weird agenda, you don't even know what it is, but you can feel that person's not being honest. No one can have like a conversation. Do you see what I'm saying?
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I don't think it is adaptive. I don't think there's any evidence of that at all. And I should also say that, by the way, and I'll tell you why I think that, but I should say what I said on Rogan was like characteristically inarticulate and imprecise. And I don't have a problem at all with the idea that there's physical evolution, because I think there clearly is.
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Well, it is. And, you know, as someone who's been so often wrong about some big things, I just want to start every morning with the knowledge that I'm not God, that I do get things wrong. And like, you know, try to be attentive when the truth is spoken. You know, when the truth is spoken, I wanna be able to hear it. I really mean that.
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And I just see this again, another argument against evolution. I see human society moving in the opposite direction. People are so cocksure, so morally certain on the basis of so little knowledge and wisdom. It's like crazy. Everyone has these like hyper confident opinions and they're dumb. And it's like, all I want is to be around people who are like, this is what I think is true.
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I sincerely believe it, but because I'm not God, or whatever, because I'm not omniscient, I am open to the possibility that I'm wrong. And why don't you try to convince me? Like, that's the basis of civilization, in my opinion.
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Unpredictable. That, I said I wanted to be alive to the truth and wisdom. When I hear it, that's wisdom right there.
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My problem is with the question of the creation of all things. And I don't think there's a better explanation or a more reasonable explanation that there's just a God that created everything. If you disagree, I'd love to hear it.
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Great. so why are the shots still on the schedule i'm trying to be what okay let me let me start with a question a real question rather than an interjection posing as a question where are we on the mrna shots in the united states i i fear this question because
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But let me just say of the question of religion being adaptive, so like one of the main modes of religious expression from the beginning of recorded history is human sacrifice. including, and it goes on today around the world in various forms. And the idea that that's like necessary because population outstrips resources is not always true. Like there are tons of examples, including in modern day,
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Negligence is when you just don't care enough about... To know something's happening. Right. This is depraved indifference.
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So it's a very simple process for stopping... the recommendation of mRNA shots to children and to adults. But it has to do with this thing called the schedule, which is the protocol determined by the federal government that guides physicians as they recommend, and in some cases require, vaccines. Yes.
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lots of places, including the United States, where there's plenty of resources and people do it anyway. But it's the same story in every civilization, none of which could have had contact with each other that we know of. And there's kind of nothing that evolutionary biology can say about that. It's like it's not helping people at all. They're doing it anyway.
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I'm going to ask you to pause and I want you to explain it because it's been completely buried. But are there no cabinet secretaries who could act independently? Because there is a cabinet secretary I think has purview over this.
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actually being actually parents are saying, OK, give my kid a COVID shot.
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Yeah. So I'm sorry, once again, I sidetracked you. So you were about to describe the extent of vaccine injury in the United States. I followed this from day one, the VAERS self-reporting system and all the rest, but I don't feel like I have a good sense of it.
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It does make you want to not pay your taxes. I don't understand like what, I mean, at some point it just becomes, it feels anyway immoral to contribute money to something like this.
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No, of course. I, and I'm not recommending that people not pay their, their taxes though. I would of course be utterly sympathetic to anyone who wanted to do that. But, um, what I'm saying is it's just so frustrating. It's so frustrating. It's like, it's, it's like, what's the point of the, the system is supposed to be responsive both to the people it represents, but also to like
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reality and reason and like it shouldn't be this hard to do an easy obvious virtuous thing well it also reveals
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Well, that's it. That's exactly right. It's not the mistake. It's the subsequent lying and ass covering and gaslighting. And it's the behavior after the mistake that drives me totally nuts. Which suggests that it may have been something other than a mistake.
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First of all, thank you. It's great to see you. Great to see you, Tucker. And I hate to start a conversation about me or our relationship or whatever, but I've been wanting to talk to you for the last year. I went on Joe Rogan's show about a year ago, and I stated that I don't believe in Darwinism. And basically, I think God created people. I don't think it was much of a matter of belief.
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But so predictable in a way as someone who knows nothing about vaccine development, but a lot about life. It's almost always like the deep irony encoded in the universe where, you know, painkiller abuse causes pain, actually. Right? Right. It's always something like that. The shot that's supposed to boost your immune system destroys your immune system.
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because we've abandoned humility in favor of hubris for the reasons I think that you mentioned. I think the decline of religious faith plays a role as well, but it does seem like that's the, that's kind of the answer maybe right in front of us to so many of our problems is that people imagine they have powers, predictive powers that they don't have.
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So is God, by the way.
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It's totally true. You want to adopt that posture if your goal is to find the truth, if your goal is to serve other people, provide good governance, justice, if your goal is to be wise. You know, if that's the way you're thinking, you're going to do what you just said. If your goal is to accrue maximum power, if your goal is to hurt people, if your baseline assumption is that you're God...
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they're gonna behave the way you just described. They're gonna be totally intolerant. So given all of that, where are we with AI and what's your view of it?
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The smartest technologist, the most accomplished technologist I know who's right in the middle of developing AI told me anyone who says this will not develop consciousness or autonomy is a liar or stupid. And no, we don't understand how this is progressing. Like the smartest people know.
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In the words of the person I recently spoke to about this, they're already lying.
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Yes, they do.
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But it won't have much power, so we don't have to worry.
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I think that's the best possible place to start. Yeah. Is there anything we can do about it at this point?
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Of course.
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Five years out, do you think we'll like even recognize the society we're living in?
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I have to say, I mean, I have no idea what's going to happen. And I mean, I was here for Y2K as you were also, and people were very afraid of it and nothing happened. You never know. Like I'm always aware of what I don't know. I try to be. However, tons of evidence, this is not, it's not good.
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And the only thing that governments seem to be doing is increasing their control over their own populations. So is it an accident that we're on the cusp of singularity and we're getting real ID and facial recognition and digital currency? And it just seems like all the energy is going into making sure that people can't complain about their own destruction.
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Last question. You live in a beautiful rural place, I happen to know. I don't know how much food you've stockpiled, water filtration systems, hopefully a lot. But you're not, you and your wife Heather are not doing that. You're not trying to punch out. Why? Why?
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Tucker and Bret Weinstein Debate Evolution, God’s Existence, Israel, and Will AI Gain Consciousness?
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And that people adapt and that human behavior is to a huge extent a function of physical reality, of biology. And like we do certain things, we have certain attitudes because of biology, because of nature. Like these are imperatives of nature. And so I totally buy all that. I think Darwin thought all that. Here's, I guess, to put a finer point on it. I believe in the existence of the supernatural.
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Tucker and Bret Weinstein Debate Evolution, God’s Existence, Israel, and Will AI Gain Consciousness?
I've experienced it. I've seen it. It's real. It exists outside of nature, outside of all the laws that we think we're subject to. And it acts on us. And human sacrifice is one example of that. So that's my view. I'm totally convinced that that's true. I know that it's true. And so I don't know if there's room in the framework that you're describing for that fact. Well-
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
You're an actor. You're looking for work. You're agent or somebody calls you and says, we'd like you to play Jesus. What's that like?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Through murder.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's not the toughest Lent program.
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Lent is here, the period before Easter, the 40 days, and it's a unique chance to get closer to God. That's the point of it. Hello, the world's number one prayer app can help you do that. Joining their prayer 40 challenge. It's a great way to connect with Christians all over the world and unite in preparation for Easter, which is the payoff of this season. It's called The Way.
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It helps participants focus on how Jesus is the way to heaven. If you join the challenge, you'll embark on a spiritual journey with some of America's most convicted Jesus followers. Powerful stories, prayer, you grow in your ability to sacrifice. That's what Lent is. It's a sacrifice. And taking thought-provoking sermons and true stories of faith in action, which are amazing.
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This year is going to be the best Lent ever. Thousands of people praying together all over the world, and you can be part of it through Hallow, which, by the way, is in use in my house and a nightly topic of conversation. So you can sign up at hallow.com slash Tucker. When you join, check out thousands of guided prayers, meditations, music, and everything.
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There is a ton on Hallow, all designed to help you find peace and closeness to God. Download the Hallow app and jump onto the Lent Pray 40 Challenge right now.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Have you experienced that?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Fasting.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Really? Yeah. Yeah. And that's like a true fast, not eat.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's funny, fasting is the one piece of religious observance that has pretty much disappeared in public conversations about religious observance. I mean, fasting sounds like an evil practice. Well, especially here in the West.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
We're in it right now. Yeah, no food or water or tobacco or sex during the day, period. Wow. No water. But there, you know, it's considered like a celebration, as you know.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
I mean, it's all over the New Testament references to fasting. Yeah. And as you just said, it's not simply Christianity. It's like, it was just a feature of religious observance, like from the beginning of time. Yeah. And it's gone. And in the mainstream, it's gone. So you wonder, is there a connection between... Eating and spiritual awareness, clearly there is.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Is there a connection between overeating and spiritual dullness? Maybe there is. And if you wake up and everyone's fat, which is true, including me from time to time, so I'm not judging. There's like a spiritual component there. Well, I mean. It's a crazy suggestion.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
I mean, there's no doubt. One of the most striking things about having grown up and living in the modern West is realizing things later in life that are like glaringly obvious. And you think to yourself, like, how did I not notice that? Of course, gluttony is bad. Greed is bad. Worshipping money is bad. These are all, violence is bad.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
These are all the things that I've realized in the last couple of years that never occurred to me.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Yeah, but the funny thing is, like, I'm old enough to remember when that came out, which I think was in the late 80s. 80s, yeah. And it was used, it became political immediately, and it was like, this is what the Reagan era is like, and they're all greedy and whatever. And so, of course, you know, I was not a liberal, so I was like, oh, shut up.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
But I do think that was, it's been almost 40 years, that was the last time I remember anybody in the United States saying greed was bad. That was the last time. Have you heard anybody say that? No. Maybe some like far out wacko protester or something, but no one you'd ever meet. I really haven't ever heard anybody say greed is bad since then. Have you?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Eating every day until you get fat, also bad. Again, not judging. I've been greedy and I've been a glutton. So like, I'm not, again, not judging. Okay. But it's bad. Like, why not say, I don't know. Sorry, I'm just coming to these very obvious conclusions.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It puts cheesecloth over your hole.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Something that kind of dulls the camera and makes the edges softer and you sort of don't fully perceive what's happening. I mean, you eat two Big Macs. you know, you're not as aware of anything. Oh my gosh. It's like, talk about comatose. It's a head injury, right?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
And so fasting is the opposite. You're hyper aware.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Interesting.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
A little TMI, but there's a truth. A friend of mine, last winter, who was coming off a three-week fast. He's a very spiritual man. And I happened to be at his house when he broke his fast. And the first course was soup. And he had one thing in his mouth for three weeks other than water. That's it. Three-week water fast. Three weeks, 21 days. And he puts the spoon in the soup and he holds it.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
He's talking and he holds it in front of his mouth. He's making a point. And I'm watching as everyone's looking at it. And then he puts it down. And then he does it again. And he's making this point and then he puts it down again.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
That's self-control.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
That's totally right.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
So funny, though. People go like, you know, climb, you know, pay to climb Everest or, you know what I mean? Or go, you know, participate in some radical sport or whatever. And they take these crazy risks and they push themselves to, you know, past obvious boundaries. And I'm not criticizing. I admire that. It's great. But no one ever thinks just like not eat for a week and see what happens. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
That is a pretty bold thing to do. And maybe worth trying.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
And it's, by the way, just in point of fact, I know because I've done a lot of fasting actually. And I love it. But it's not- What's been the biggest thing that you've seen? It's not an effective weight loss approach. In fact, I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who's Muslim.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
He said, I always get fat during Ramadan, you know, because the second the sun goes down, you know, you're pounding a dozen dates and going crazy with the hummus, which is awesome. But I don't think, I'm not, don't ever go to me for medical advice, of course, but I don't think going to fasting to lose weight is like effective at all. But I do think. I think of it this way.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's like if they're pushing on you weed, Xanax, and endless bread baskets, maybe there's an agenda which is to make you duller and less aware of what's going on around you. And I think... Sicker. And of course, sicker. That's exactly right. But I must say I'd rather be dead than dull. You know what I mean? It's like sick is bad, but unaware is worse. Yeah. In my opinion. Yeah. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
There are a lot of really enlightened sick people out there, actually. You know, joyful sick people. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of all the New Year's resolutions you're likely to put off, the one you're most likely to put off and keep putting off is buying life insurance. And you should have life insurance. It's kind of crazy not to because the future is unknown. You've got to have life insurance.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
I'm really struck this time by the intensity of his rage at the Pharisees. He's pretty gentle with everybody else, including the Roman officer, the occupying army, pagan, worshiping the stars or whatever. Jesus is really kind to him. Pharisees, I mean, it is just, Matthew goes on for like five pages. He's mad. Yeah. What do you make of that?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Seems like all of his anger is reserved for hypocrites. They get singled out repeatedly. He seems to really hate that. Yeah. And the people in charge, the powerful. That's my read. I mean, I'm the opposite of a theologian.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
No, it didn't.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
So when you're reading your scripts, when you're preparing... Yeah. you're basically reading the gospel.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Sincere Christians never seem surprised by anything.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's amazing.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Remarkable. And to flip it over, they never seem shocked by how screwed up the world is. I'm shocked every single day. Like, I can't believe they're committing abortion outside the DNC or I can't believe this, that, the other thing. I'm always like, I can't believe the persecution of Christians. Why would you persecute Christians? Yeah. Like they've never mugged anybody.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Do you know what I mean?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Kind of did.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Sure. He's obviously not a good person. No. It's a natural response. There's a lot of persecution of Christians, and I'm really bothered by it. How? Your family, at least on one side, is Arab Christian. Mm-hmm.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
And they were just random migrant workers?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Time for another true life Alp story. I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday, honestly, true story, who said his girlfriend had just broken up with him over Alp. He wouldn't stop. And I thought to myself, that's kind of sad. And he said, no, it's not sad. Imagine if I'd married her. Now I know. I was saved.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Then the next day, this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American city, pulled over by a cop in a speed trap. Cop takes his license registration, goes back to the patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks in the window, and sees a tin of Alp on the dashboard. Pauses. Stunned, says to my friend, You use Alp? Yeah, I do, says my friend. So do I, says the cop. We all do.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes... Drive safely, sir, and hands back his license and registration. No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Alp and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nicotine marriage. In an age of 350 million, people are guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories. Email us yours.
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We want to know and read it on the air. Email tellall at alppouch.com. Tellall at alppouch.com. Give us your Alp story. You must learn a lot from playing this role. I have. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's just, I don't know how often we think of Jesus as fully a man, though, as you pointed out, he was. Yeah. What's that like, trying to get inside the head of Jesus?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Anything interesting?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
I'm not Catholic, but I've always thought that confession is the coolest thing they do. It's a gift, man. It's a lifesaver. Of course. When it became psychotherapy and you put like an atheist with bad judgment on the couch across from you, I don't think we lost something. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
But the human need to connect, to unburden yourself, you know what's wrong, by the way, most people know. You don't need to be a Christian to know what's wrong. Inside you, you know when you're doing something wrong. And to say it out loud, to articulate it in words, is to rid yourself of it to some extent, I think.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
I believe that completely. I've never experienced it, but I believe that.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
What's it like for you to be recognized on the street for playing Jesus? I know just from having dinner with you last night and telling people you were coming here, there's a lot of intensity. I've been on television for 30 years. I've never experienced anything like what you experienced, for example, in my house last night. People are very intense when they see you.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's bound up in their feelings for you, but also their feelings for Jesus. What's that like? I don't know.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Looking at you, I'm not that surprised. If I was casting a stand-in for Russell Brand, I think it would be you.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
I totally agree. But I mean, without getting too personal, it's kind of a fixture of life. Yeah, yeah. Like maybe not all positive. Like what's Whole Foods like for you? Depends on what part of town. Probably not to be watching the chosen Whole Foods, but like a normal non-enthusiast grocery store.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Yeah, self-awareness is a burden. I would not recommend it at all. I don't have any, so it's never bothered me. But I know people who are highly self-aware and they're like in agony all day. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
And it became much more than anyone thought it would be.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
That's for sure.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's amazing to me how successful it's been, and it's amazing to me the reaction to it. Banned in China. Yeah. It's not calling for the overthrow of the CCP. It's not calling for the... Halawap's banned in China, yeah. Halawap is banned in China.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's also effectively banned in Europe, in effect, because Mark Zuckerberg's company, Meta, has shut down all advertising for religious-oriented, faith-based advertising. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's like, why would they be upset with that? That's like the kindest, least threatening, you know, only want to help people. Like, why is that bad?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg's answer for that. And China's answer for that. Like, what's wrong with that? Yeah. It tells you a lot, but you don't seem shocked by that at all.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Oh, yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
No.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Killed the majority of the Christians in Nagasaki, which was the Christian capital of Japan. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean- I'd love to hear an answer for why people are very enthusiastic about that and think it's great. I don't think it's great. And I think there should be a law that- American armaments can't be used to murder Christians abroad. That's pretty simple.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
That is not a normal secular perspective, I would say. No.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
So for people who haven't heard it, tell us what you do for Hello.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
It's a frequent conversation in my house. I told you yesterday, my wife's very kind, never scolds me for anything. But when she saw my schedule and saw you were coming and that we hadn't invited you for dinner, she actually did bark at me because she's like your biggest fan.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Not the first time I've thought that. Thank you. It has really been wonderful the last 24 hours to talk to you. It's been my honor. Thank you very much. Thanks, Tucker. We want to thank you for watching us on Spotify, a company that we use every day. We know the people who run it, good people. While you're here, do us a favor. Hit follow and tap the bell so you never miss an episode.
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340 million in the United States total. So that's pretty deep penetration, as we say on TV. I would say so. That's amazing. So the reason I asked the question, and you didn't flinch, was that I think some people would feel like that's a pretty heavy role. It's Jesus. Yeah. Basis of the world's largest religion. Yeah. God himself, according to Christians. Did you ever feel that on you?
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
Like, that's a lot. Yeah.
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Jonathan Roumie: The Weight of Playing Jesus in The Chosen, & How to Raise Your Spiritual Awareness
When you started the series, did you believe it? Did you believe in the gospel?
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But what's interesting, clearly, but what's interesting is that they didn't want it the first time. All these businessmen, smartest, most powerful in the world, made a bet in 2016 that opposing Trump would pay off for them.
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Mark Zuckerberg, and you spent $400 million to beat Trump in 2020. And all of a sudden, he rises from the grave. How do you feel? Terrified, right?
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You've invested in XAI. What do you envision the world looks like after, in 10 years, thanks to AI?
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I often hear people say that I'm not exactly, I mean, I know that like the entire upper middle class of the United States is going to be unemployed. It sounds like that's bad, but I don't, I don't understand what the other effects are of AI.
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Elon, when he came into X, when you invested, fired what percentage of the staff?
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So, you know, Elon Musk and, you know, Donald Trump, they're in close alliance now. Elon is not a government official, obviously, but he is, you'd have to say, one of the top advisors. Can that partnership last?
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Western Europe seems like it's falling apart. Is that your impression?
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But really, Europe... Did you ever think you would live long enough...
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So the UK is running out of natural gas. And that's true across Western Europe. These countries don't have enough energy to have first world economies. Will that change?
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Did you hear about that? I know that. That made the news here. Unfortunately. Why would the Germans allow their allies in Washington to blow up their natural gas pipeline and not say anything about it? You said that. You should answer that question. I have some theories. But you're saying that all their ideas are leading to their destruction.
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It's just funny to hear you say that. So in Europe, you often say it's a battle between the native population and the Muslim immigrants. Here you are, a Muslim with prayer beads in your hand saying you want more right wing parties in Europe.
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Well, you've negotiated with Trump, against Trump, you know, to buy the plaza and his boat. What do you think?
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How long did it take you to negotiate the purchase of the plaza?
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So you think the tariffs are just an opening round in negotiations?
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In trading, but the industry itself is the same.
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So, you know, getting into a trade war with Canada and China, both of whom are totally dependent on the United States, they couldn't exist without the U.S., is different from doing that with China. How does that work?
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Do you believe the story about DeepSeek, their AI project, that it was developed for under $6 million? Is that real?
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From an outsider's perspective, Saudi Arabia does not have official diplomatic relations with Israel, but it's certainly aligned with Israel against Iran. That's the way it looks from outside. Do you think it's fair to say?
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So there's, I mean, by far the biggest real estate investments in the US and probably around the world are in data centers for AI and other processing. Can those data centers run on windmills and batteries?
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Yes. But, you know, for the past 15 years, the rest of us have been getting lectures about renewable energy, the green agenda. carbon zero, you know, basically hydrocarbons are bad, solar windmills are good. And the second it became clear that AI would need a lot more energy than projected, people like Larry Fink said, well, you know, maybe we look to, maybe it's a
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You know, it's a whole bunch of different energy sources. Do you think the green agenda is over, thanks to AI?
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You don't think it's going to be the number one priority?
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Number nine. But other, I mean, your peers in business, big investors have been pushing green energy projects, all subsidized by various governments. Yes. Do you think that will stop? Do you think we'll stop getting lectures about how windmills are the future?
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Do you think the United States will change its relationship with Venezuela because of Venezuela's oil reserves?
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I think they have the deepest reserves in the world, proven reserves.
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Well, I mean, we've spent the last, I don't know, 10 years trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government. Unsuccessfully. Quite unsuccessfully. But then in one day, all of a sudden Venezuela says, yeah, here are all your hostages. And flies the American flag in Maduro's office. Like, what is this? Yeah, well, I mean, this is a trompero. Summary. Quick summary. What would happen if the U.S.
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did some sort of big energy deal with Venezuela?
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But over time, and it takes a while to build the infrastructure necessary to efficiently extract it. But, I mean, over the next 10 years, you could see cheaper oil prices as a result of that, right?
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It's just funny that, you know, it was a year ago, if you talk to any big investor, at least in public, they would say, no, no, no, the future is not more drilling for oil. The future is more windmills and solar panels, but you're saying actually the future sounds like it's more drilling for oil.
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Right. There are a lot of competing interests on the question of price per barrel. What do you think the kind of right number balancing all that is? It's very difficult to judge this.
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Do you think, I know that obviously Donald Trump wants it in the 60s. Do you think we'll see it there?
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So that's the view of Israel too, as you know. Yes, exactly. So you have that big perspective in common with the Israeli government despite your differences. So there's been progress, I would say, between Saudi Arabia and Israel, but I don't think there's been any progress on the prospect of a Palestinian state.
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So the war starts in Ukraine, and everyone's running away from Russia and Russian energy. The world is reorienting away from hydrocarbons in general, and you swoop in and make a huge bet. Mm-hmm. On traditional Russian energy. Why did you do that?
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If you were to pick, apart from AI and energy, like another two or three industries that you think are a good bet moving forward. Technology. What kind?
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So you're in Alibaba. Ten years ago, a little over ten years ago, Jack Ma was a very famous person in the United States. He was doing his roadshow with J.P. Morgan. Everyone loved Jack Ma. Company gets, you know, one of the biggest market caps in the world, and then Jack Ma disappears. Whatever happened to Jack Ma?
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People have been saying that for, you know, well, certainly since 1967, but it feels like we're farther from that.
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Yeah, no, he's not. The United States has a big military footprint in East Asia, mostly in Korea and Japan, but also other countries. Can that continue?
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Yes. So you say that as a big investor in Chinese companies, you want to see American troops in Asia stay there.
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
Oh, I was there. It was a bold move. There's no doubt about it. And he took a lot of criticism. I mean, what do you, since you're from the Middle East, I would say your mother was Lebanese, you're related to people in power in a bunch of different countries. It's very common here for people, for adversaries to meet and talk.
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In the West, in the last couple of decades, the idea has been, if we disagree with you, we're not talking to you. What do you think of that?
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Yes.
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Saudi Arabia’s Richest Man Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on Trump’s Tariffs, DeepSeek, Israel, and Iran
But couldn't you say that about a lot of countries? Like if you had a monarchy... that was liberalizing its economy and opening itself to the world, had a state religion, had, you know, a thousand-year-old culture, wouldn't you be worried? I mean, how would that work? How could you maintain political control? Look, I think you're alluding to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf region.
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I mean, of course, I disagree with you as an American, but I agree with you as a traveler. What you're saying is obviously true. But in our system, legitimacy comes from the consent of the governed. Our leaders are legitimate because we vote for them.
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No one votes for your crown prince, but it's also true that your country is thriving and that the other seven monarchies you mentioned are doing well relative to the republic. So what... Why do you think that's true?
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Well, I disagree with you in theory, but agree with you in practice, because what you're saying is just true. It's a fact. I don't want it to be a fact, but it is a fact. So what is that... I mean, is the, I mean, democracy is just a kind of brief interlude in all human history. It's a pretty new thing. I mean, do you think it has a future? What do you mean? By democracy, you mean in our region?
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Well, if you're saying, I don't know. I mean, you're saying that all the republics in your region are struggling. All the monarchies are thriving. And that is roughly speaking true. There are other factors. Yeah.
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What is crypto exactly?
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Is it a currency or is it? I mean, it's a form of payment. That's what it's supposed to be. But from what I can tell, it's something that you invest in.
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It's kind of imaginary gold.
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Huh. I mean, if you have enough assets invested in crypto, at some point it becomes kind of dangerous, doesn't it?
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Exactly. That's what's happening. Huh. Are any other countries in this region embracing crypto? Yeah, there are some countries, you know.
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Are you an investor in gold?
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For your country, for Saudi Arabia, you've opened it up very dramatically, both physically opened it up, you're issuing visas to everybody, which you were not doing, ever. But you've opened it up socially, women in the workforce... getting rid of guardianship, women driving most famously. What are the reforms, the liberalizations that you wouldn't do here? Where will you draw the line?
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Well, normal in the West is, you know, well, alcohol, for one thing, legalized marijuana, transgender teachers, transgender admirals. I mean, are there points where you say we don't want that?
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You can have tourism without alcohol?
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On that front specifically. So in our country, we had prohibition of alcohol for 14 years. Yes. And it is described to everybody. I mean, universally believed to be a massive failure. I don't know if that's actually true, but that's how history has recorded it. But... I mean, you think it's a success here. Why do you?
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How did you wind up with Donald Trump's yacht? Not many people can say that. Not many people have Donald Trump's yacht, but you do. How did you get it? I mean, how did that happen?
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What did you think over the last eight years as you watched the woke, the sexual politics in the United States?
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So you hear that in countries around the world. We admire the United States. The entire leadership of most of the world went to college in the United States. Yes. How did... people in this region and other countries visit feel about seeing men dressed as women at the White House and all that stuff? Were they? It's crazy.
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We're not talking about the plus.
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So that, I mean, you must have been confused watching that. This is a country you went to school in, you know well. Yeah, yeah.
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You're one of the biggest media investors in the world and have been, I worked for a company, I think you were the biggest outside investor, I think, in News Corp, Fox News. and you've got investments in a million different media companies. Many of those media companies went way to the left. What did you think of that as a shareholder? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So you divested from Fox, from News Corp, and then you made a huge investment in X under Elon. Exactly. Why did you do that?
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So the sale of X was closely watched by everybody around the world. He wound up buying the company at what seemed like twice its actual value and people made fun of him. Where is it now, would you say?
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When Trump was elected in November, the world was really on the on the cusp of two major of two big conflicts that could potentially get much bigger in Eastern Europe and in this region. Do you think he can successfully resolve those conflicts?
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So, but as a political and social force, is there a more powerful media organization?
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Right. So you think that Elon Musk has had a big effect on Mark Zuckerberg?
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So you think Zuckerberg's just kind of trailing behind Elon Musk doing what he does?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So thank you for coming. So I want to, okay, here's my question to you. You were one of the people who was right about COVID and certainly more right than the U.S. public health authorities and the global public health authorities. And I'm just going to summarize in two sentences what I think your position was. So you're a physician in private practice in Texas and you're vaccinated, by the way.
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These people are evil.
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That's like that's a. That's very upsetting to hear that. That's very upsetting. And so the charges against you, boy, I thought I was done being upset by COVID. You just brought me back. It's such a stain on this country.
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Just that people didn't storm the hospitals. Your father, your husband, your children dying alone.
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You should have showed up with guns and said, get out of my way. That's my loved one. And I'm going to be with him when he dies.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And so I, you know, people should have done that. And I hope they will next time. Excuse me, so your crime is recommending a therapy for COVID. That's your crime or is there, am I missing something?
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But she never got in.
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So your nurse made it to the threshold of a hospital. Therefore, you should lose your medical license.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Wait, wait, what? Yeah. Wait, I'm so sorry. Now I'm tuning in with greater intensity. What is his job, his day job when he's not?
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What does a lab director at Planned Parenthood do?
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Sell fetal tissue to vaccine companies?
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Yeah. And he's on the medical board?
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And he works at Planned Parenthood?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And this is not Vermont. This is Texas.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No, I've figured that out. Man, I didn't expect to be left speechless the first 10 minutes. Only three things are absolutely certain in this life. And you know, two of them. First is death. Second is taxes. And the third, unfortunately, is getting ripped off by your cell phone company. If you're a Verizon, AT&T or T-Mobile customer, you know exactly what we're talking about.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So do you think, like, take yourself out of this? This is just like a med school classmate is going through what you're going through. Do you see any other side to the argument, any potentially legitimate justification for hounding you for four years?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, yeah. Or the ones who hook your wife on benzodiazepines because she has panic attacks? Those doctors? Right, right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Okay.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I'm not surprised even a little bit.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So at any point during this, can you go to the, I mean, these are obviously huge corporations, but they're institutions whose goal is to save lives, improve lives, bring health to the population. Could you ever just call the CEO of the hospital and the medical director of the hospital and say, this is really crazy. Like, I'm not profiting from this.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Ivermectin, there's no profit margin in it, right? I just think this therapy works. I've seen it and I'm going to try and help. And why don't you back off? Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
How much money do these hospitals take from the Biden administration? Do you know?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
They don't pay property taxes?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Do you think we should get rid of nonprofit status, period? Yes. I don't understand. I've met almost no nonprofit that I think is good. that needs to be reformed. We could probably close the deficit just by getting it. Exactly. Having these people pay the taxes that the rest of us pay. Yeah. Wow, that's just so shocking.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Was there any hospital in Houston where you live, I think, that was willing to be reasonable or was not taking orders?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Good.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
What a man. Good for him. So do you're clearly a data person. Do we have the final outcome? Like how did those patients do versus patients who were like intubated in some Biden controlled hospital?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So, I mean, that's established. We know that.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So why isn't that like the official CDC protocol for COVID?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Is there anybody who has a counter data, numbers showing the opposite, that people taking ivermectin like die more?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Does it help horses? I know we kept hearing it was a horse dewormer. Is it effective?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I know someone who has, you know, advanced liver disease from it.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, well, that's a thing. Thousands of people die every year. Right. Yeah. So propofol used every day in hospitals. I mean, you screw that up by a tiny bit, you're dead.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Correct?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Killed Michael Jackson.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But I'm just saying like hospitals work with incredibly dangerous drugs every day. Right. Right. I'm sure you do.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
What are the side effects of it?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So I guess what you're saying without saying it is that there's really no compelling medical reason to call the cops if your nurse shows up with ivermectin.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
That's like purely political.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
How did your business get your profession get so politicized?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Did you know that before all of this?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No, I think that's such a wonderful and very American. You have children. Yeah. And that's like a sweet kind of, that's how you should feel. Yeah. That's how you should feel. I married someone who feels that way. Not only people arguing, like, that's great. You know, we have important things to do. Like, yeah, no, I'm not making fun of you at all. I love that.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So you were not politically aware at all before this started. And were you aware that your business, that medicine was so politicized? Had you noticed it at all?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I'm aware.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I have a theory for why, but you're the doctor, so you tell me what you think the cause of that is.
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Not employed.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So your choice is like your corporate douche overlords, private equity or insurance companies, if it's like a joke, or the government.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right. And you're in the 1% that has your own business.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Maybe that's the answer right there.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
They have no power. They have no power. They're just like little worker bees getting ordered around.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Doesn't sound that fun though for the patient.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes. What was that like?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Can I ask you a question? Why would primary care physicians, whose duty it is to treat patients, and they must have known by this point that day eight is the critical day, why would they not treat these people?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Thank you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Thank you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Thank you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No. You were not, oh, you're not vaccinated. No. I almost did. God bless you. But at first, you like have no real reason to think that this is all completely backward. But then you treat COVID patients, thousands, I think. And you start to realize that the therapies that the U.S. government is recommending are not working, that the vaccines are not working as advertised at all.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So you don't have a good answer on the hospital question, I noticed.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No, like what do you do if you get sick? Like your answer was don't get sick.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I haven't noticed them.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Why do doctors patronize patients?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Treating them like children?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
That was my suspicion. So what did you end up thinking of the shot, the COVID shot?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But it's been in place for 50 years or something. I mean, it's longitudinal. So we can see the response to all these different medications, right? Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
This is going on right now?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I think we voted against this.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Correct?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You're very diplomatic. But I'm just stunned to learn that that's happening right now.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Could this be shut down?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And, you know, what's... Nine million babies have had COVID shots?
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Children.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Is it compulsory?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So we're going to let you die unless you get the shot. How could we fix that?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Who could do that?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I think you probably follow this as closely as anybody. There's so much going on. So I'm going to just plead ignorance on that basis. There's like a lot.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Multiple wars and the economy. And, you know, there's just a lot to distract you from this question. But I think it's a really important question. But you are focused on it. Have you seen any sign at all that these products, which according to the self-reporting system, VAERS have killed 38,000 people, that they're going to be pulled off the market?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Really?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Food is like smoking and I love bad food and I love smoking. I don't smoke anymore, but I loved it. And I'll just say that. I hate me for it, but it's just true. That's why people do it because they love it. And I love pizza. I don't think I ever smoked a cigarette. I don't think I've ever eaten a slice of pizza without knowing it was bad for me.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So like it is common sense. I mean, I do think like we shouldn't allow food stamps or snap to be used for Coca-Cola. OK, obviously there are changes you can make for sure. But like, you know, when you're eating garbage, that's what we call garbage. I'm 55. They called it that in 1975. They'd be like, oh, junk food. You know what junk food is. Right. It's the delicious stuff.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So, like, I'm not, I mean, I think it's important. I do think eating right is important. And I try. I'm not going to eat any freaking vegetables, though. But whatever. But, like, the COVID stuff seemed, the shot seems like an imminent threat.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You're positive that's actually happening? Babies are getting this?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I trust you, it's freaking me out. I didn't know that.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Do you believe that those shots are responsible for permanent immune system damage?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And this is years after the shot?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
What are the consequences of that, do you think?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
How would that affect cancer?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And they're not helping?
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Then the next day, this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American city, pulled over by a cop in a speed trap. Cop takes his license registration, goes back to the patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks in the window, and sees a tin of Alp on the dashboard. Pauses. Stunned, says to my friend, you use Alp? Yeah, I do, says my friend. So do I, says the cop. We all do.
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He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, drive safely, sir, and hands back his license and registration. No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Al and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nicotine. In an age of 350 million, people are guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories. Email us yours.
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We want to know and read it on the air. Email tellall at alppouch.com. Tellall at alppouch.com. Give us your Alp stories. So one of the primary platforms we use for distribution is YouTube, which in general has been great, actually, if I'm being honest. A lot less censorship than I got in any television job I ever had. So we're really grateful to YouTube. I never thought I'd say that.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But the one area where we get censored by YouTube is when we talk about the COVID shot.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And which I think is really interesting. So this will probably be censored on YouTube. But I just want to I just want to ask you, but you're a physician, clinical physician, you're treating people, thousands of people. And so I feel like I have to ask you this. Tell us about the injuries you are seeing.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Soccer players.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
What kind? Like rashes?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So are you sure that was vax-related?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Can I ask about POTS? What does POTS stand for?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I don't understand a single word of that. I probably shouldn't have asked you, but like, what are its effects?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
What? I mean, that sounds like it could be dangerous.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Oh, come on.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Tremors?
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Hand tremors?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No way. Yeah. Even when he sleeps? That's got to affect every part of your life.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I don't understand. Like, we didn't vote for this at all.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I mean, the government was in her case, she was part of the clinical trials, you said.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But everybody else, not including me and you, took it because we were, you know, subject of like the biggest propaganda campaign in American history. So we're forced by the government to take it.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
By the way, why aren't the companies paying these people?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
When was the PrEP Act passed?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And so under the PrEP Act, they're even more shielded?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You can't sue Pfizer? Oh, of course, you can't sue Pfizer.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I'm surprised they didn't arrest her for complaining.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
This has got to be making you pretty radical.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, you don't seem like a radical person, but this makes me feel radical. So neurological symptoms, and you're pretty convinced those are also from the shot.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
SSRI?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Why do we have so many mass shooters in this country? I don't know. It's baffling. That's shocking. So they used to, I mean, in just American culture, they used to make fun of 19th century medical cures for hysteria. You know, it was always like, you know, the Victorian medical cures and one would have a problem, they'd be like, here's a giant vibrator or...
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Literally, they made that like it's all in your head, honey. Calm down. Yeah. And that was like a trope. Yeah. And and I was hardly a feminist, but I was kind of sympathetic to that. Like, don't don't just like dismiss people. You know what I mean? Tell them they're hysterical. Right. But that's that's what you're describing.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
VAERS is one of those things. I love the idea of VAERS. And I remember reading the VAERS report in 2021 when I worked in television and just going on one night and reading it. Like, here's what's been reported from this compound that people are being forced to take. And, man, I got so attacked by, you know, the Atlantic magazine and everybody. It's like, no, this is a federal reporting system.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right. And that was kind of the last I ever heard of VAERS. Like, no one ever mentions it. Like, what's the point of having it if it's, like, irrelevant?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Especially since it was in place during the rollout of a bunch of other vaccines.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Like going a long way back. So it's like, you know, measles, rubella. Right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right? I don't have any degree and I could understand that. So do you ever hear federal officials make reference to VAERS?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So the idea with VAERS seems to be that people are complaining again. They need to shut up. apparently it's one more thing is being swept under the rug um okay so you've told a much sadder story than i expected to hear um are you concerned that because the technology in these shots was you know brand new never deployed before at scale anyway is that correct right
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
um and the you know the trials for these drugs were like i think we can say it's fair to say a joke right uh that there are consequences that like haven't manifest yet that we yeah it's it's hard to get up-to-date cancer numbers but i'm hearing all sorts why is it hard to get up-to-date cancer numbers that's a good question we're in the middle of a cancer moonshot doctor right
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Can I ask, you've made reference like five times to numbers and the difficulty in getting numbers. I don't understand why, I mean, I understand why the identity of patients is shielded by federal law. That seems reasonable to me for privacy reasons.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But, you know, just the fact that someone has this or that disease with no identifying markers connected, like that seems like it should be public information. How is that not? Why is there so much secrecy around medical data?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
The data itself.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, isn't that essential to science?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Can a lawsuit force that?
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Man, you are ferocious.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
On what grounds?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Do you think that COVID, clearly there's been no reckoning. You've not been recognized for your bravery and prescience. You called it and you should be rewarded for that. You haven't been, likely never will be. So there's so much about it. The shots are still being given to babies. That's my takeaway from this conversation. Um, there's no effort to pull this stuff from the market.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
38,000 deaths later. There's no recourse the average person has. You can't afford to hire lawyers and you can't sue the companies that make these products and you can't sue the government officials that force you to take these products. Like everything about it is just pure Orwell. Um, so that's the downside. And it's, it's like crushing actually to hear all of this from you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Didn't expect to hear this. Um, What are the upsides? Like, people are more aware. Do you see medicine in the United States getting better now that people who are paying attention know what's up?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I wouldn't. I mean, they... I'm not... Like, they couldn't ban me from Twitter, so they didn't. Yeah, yeah. But they could ban much more informed... Plus, how am I a threat? I'm just some, like, random talk show host with an opinion. The people they want to ban are the people who are telling the informed truth, the physicians who are treating thousands of COVID patients. Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Like you're the threat, not me. We're like, I'm a doctor. I'm a reasonable person. I'm not political. Here's what I'm learning. They have to ban you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, it sounds like indications suggest, I mean, I don't want to overstate anything, but it feels like the consequences are still rippling. And I don't know why there's not an organized effort to find out, you know, are cancer rates spiking? We eliminated cigarette smoking, which was supposedly the main driver of cancer. I was there for all that. They beat me into quitting, which is fine.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You know, smoking is bad. I got it. But like cancer went up. So like at some point I have to say, stop smoking. You told me this. The opposite happened. Let's talk about why. Right. Not attacking you, but like I demand an answer. And I don't know why.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
How hard is that to get some statistician at NIH or wherever, HHS, to tell me what's happening with cancer rates and pediatric cancer rates, especially because that's like crazy town.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Where was your governor in this?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
That doesn't make any sense. Like how how can you recommend treatment without knowing its effect? How can you you can't make any wise decision without all the facts, as we say. Right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Very cynical about medical care. I've seen a lot. Would you have gone into this if you had known?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I mean... I'm sorry, not to get you to reevaluate your life.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, a Republican governor.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You said you got a flu shot and then you went up in the hospital with pneumonia and sepsis. I'm sorry not to laugh at your illness, but you got a flu shot. I've never had a flu shot because I'm lazy, but you clearly believe, you know, you wouldn't have got it. You're a doctor. You wouldn't have gotten it unless you thought it was efficacious. Right. So you got one.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Has what you've seen over the past five years changed your view of other vaccine courses?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
They don't have liability exposure.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And you start saying something about it and offering alternatives to it, which are badly needed in the middle of this pandemic. moment, and you're attacked, really attacked. Your livelihood, your professional credentials are attacked. And then time passes, now four years, and it becomes really clear that once again, you were more right than the U.S. public health authorities.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I had a child who was badly injured by the flu vaccine. Um, and for me, that was one of the drivers in not, um, I mean, I had, when it happened, it was almost 20 years ago. I had no idea that facts, I never thought the vaccines could hurt anybody. Never even in my mind. I thought they were like one of the great miracles of science.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I was so proud that we developed the polio vaccine, which I'm not against, but, um, I didn't know that they had, uh, potential downsides. And that's one of the reasons I was like a little slow to want to But anyway, what would you do? So it sounds like you're not like against vaccines, but from what you just said, the system around vaccines does not put patient safety at the forefront of concern.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So how would you change that?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I don't either. You know, we need that.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You just can't sue me. I'm such a good person. What I do is so important to the commonweal that you literally can't sue me.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Sorry, excuse me.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So that's the first thing you do?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Why isn't that happening?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, I mean, I obviously hate lawyers. I've never sued anybody. I don't think I ever will. I really hate lawyers quite as much as doctors, but in that range, okay? So I'm against lawsuits too. I get it. I totally get it.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Some of the tort awards are insane and all of that stuff, but I also think it's fair if someone keeps getting sued for the same thing, like if I get a sexual harassment suit for political reasons,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
i get eight of them right like maybe i'm groping people all right all right yeah is that's fair yeah that's fair as an empiricist you agree with yes i am on board with that yes so last question what are you going to do now that this is all over like how are you other than treating patients how are you as a formally politically disengaged person spending your time hmm
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Were these your patients you're talking about?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And- Why wasn't every doctor doing this?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But monoclonal antibodies, I've never heard anybody say that they weren't helpful.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Which were working.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
This is like the most evil thing that's ever happened in the United States.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I'm sorry to keep interjecting. It's just even though I live this, it's just so stunning to hear it recounted as crisply as you are recounting it. So, OK, so they take away monoclonal antibodies. They mandate the shot. You're sharing your data with the hospital at which you have privileges. What are they saying?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I think that's just demonstrable. I think the science proves that. So here's my question after a long preamble. Have you been rewarded for it? Has the AMA given you the Physician of the Year Award? No, I'm serious. Has anybody said... We were wrong in attacking you and you deserve credit for your foresight and bravery.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
He didn't say... The Texas Health Department?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Oh, the Department of Urology.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Then... Doesn't he have a moral obligation to treat his patients?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I mean, yeah, crimes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
The sheriff's deputy father of six.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
To treat a patient.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Anyway, they said, can I ask, were you pretty confident this man was going to die without treatment?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You're making my heart beat fast hearing this. It's... So what happened in this specific case?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So the Joe Biden has, it turns out Joe Biden has metastatic bone cancer. I saw that. And of course, you know, every urologist in the world immediately knows this is a lie. He's known for years because a PSA test shows, and this is a very slow growing cancer. And now it sounds like it's terminal. And so for 10 years, his doctors have known that he has this and they've lied to us about it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
It sounds like there was a JTAC and a small team of special ops. And they had bombed all of these different little facilities going on and probably killed a lot of innocent people. And that's actually because when we looked into it, I was like, I don't know, this anti-gravitic shit, this kind of weird shit.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You know, I mean, there's a lot of chatter about it on the Internet, like we had talked about last night. But, you know, I don't know. I kind of think now that that's all just a big distraction. But when we looked into the to the whatever you want to call them, but for lack of a better term, war crimes, I don't know about the operation. Right. I mean.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I'm not saying we should have or should not have bombed that facility. I mean, obviously, it's bad, and it's a major moneymaker for terrorist organizations. But when we dug into it, there was a UN report that talked about that specific night and that the UN had, I believe, did they open an investigation? I think they opened an investigation on it because it was against –
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I don't know if it was Geneva Convention or what it was, but you could not bomb drug factories with civilians in it. And so it had talked about, you know, how many targets and people in innocence were killed. And I was like, oh, so this this actually lines up.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
um, with what this guy's saying on the email, which, you know, maybe, maybe not gives, gives, you know, the previous thing that we were talking about a little more validity. So anyway, so yeah, I got, what was the question?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
What was that? So you, it sounds like you take the manifesto seriously. You think it's real. The guy actually wrote it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Well, then, you know, then the other weird thing that gave it a lot of validity is because we, so when that interview happened, popped up on my radar, walked in to the studio, getting ready to interview somebody. Jeremy, my producer, comes to me and says, hey, we got a guy on this Tesla bomber thing. And I'm like, I don't know, man.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
We get thousands and thousands and thousands of emails of people that want to come clean on something or expose something. And, you know, probably 99% of it is bullshit. And, you know, it's just somebody looking for... There is a mental health crisis. Yeah, definitely. So I was really apprehensive to do it. And Jeremy was new at the time and I didn't 100% trust him yet.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, I mean, we didn't sign up for it, but we did. I mean... Look, I remember at the beginning of the election cycle when Fox News was going on and on about Joe Biden's cognitive ability. And I was like, I mean, this is probably just over embellished, you know. And then I saw the first. Wait, were you watching Fox News again? This was this was a long time ago. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And I was like, he's like, I think this guy right over here. But he was hell bent on it. And so we did a call with Sam and he didn't want to come on. And when he didn't want to come on, I was like, I like that. Okay. It's playing hard to get. All right. So he wanted to go... Visit his family member of his. And he's like, look, I just want to go hang out with this family member.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I don't want to be there. And I said, hey, okay, look, we'll book you a flight here and book your flight to where you're going. And this should only take a couple hours. And he was like, all right, well, let me think about it. And then got back when I was doing the interview and wanted to come on. So Jeremy tells me on a break, hey, we've got him. He's going to be here first thing in the morning.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Well, I get done with the interview and I look at my phone and all these people are texting me about the interview I'm about to do. And they're like, hey, you know, there's this DEA agent that was on the op and his name was actually listed in the email. And they were like, he doesn't want his name to come out because he's still active. And I'm like, you know, I'm not going to burn that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
somebody that's still active in undercover operations. I mean, that could get him killed and his family killed. So I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to dabble in stuff that we're working on. But... At the same time, it made me extremely paranoid. I'm like, how the hell does everybody know that I'm getting ready to do this?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So then I'm thinking all the people that are texting me are controlled assets or something. And then we had another friend of mine send me a text and he says, hey, the Army's public affair officer wants to talk to you about tomorrow's interview. And I called him up and reamed his ass. And I'm like, why the fuck are you texting me this shit?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
If the Army PAO wants to get a hold of me, I've got a website. I've got social. I've got all these things that he can get a hold of me at. And why is he using you to get to me? And why have you inserted yourself into my business? I'm sure you get it. When you're uncovering some of this stuff, it can...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
cause some extreme paranoia, um, on who your friends are and what their motivations are and who's flipped. And, and, um, so I wouldn't talk to him. I said, I'm not talking to him, but I'll pass the number to my attorney and Jeremy and they can talk to him. And then when they talk to him, uh,
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
they wanted to kind of place it on PTSD, which wound up being the ultimate narrative from the mainstream media, right? PTSD. It being the motive for killing himself. Yeah, I mean, I think that they used PTSD to basically insinuate that he is a crazy person. But, I mean, pretty much... everybody I know and have worked with all my former colleagues. I mean, we all have that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And I mean, I'm not going to say we're not crazy, but, but not crazy like that. I mean, it's, it's just a condition and you can get over it. And yeah, And he wasn't crazy. I mean, he obviously wanted to send some type of a message. I mean, you got a a Green Beret with a full career in special operations definitely knows demolition. And there is no way in hell that a that a.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Lifelong Green Beret would put a bomb inside of a bulletproof truck to take out Trump Tower, kill a bunch of people. I mean, it was obviously he just wanted to get some attention and get whatever the message that he was trying to get out out. And. So that's what I think. We could have just tweeted about it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You know, he didn't have to kill himself. So that's a pretty extreme thing. Most extreme thing possible. What do you think his motive really was?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Like I said, I think he wanted to bring attention to the topics that he had. The anti-gravity technology. The anti-gravitic propulsion system. Gravitic. And we looked into that and all we could find is sci-fi shit. Do you think any of it's real?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But but but yeah, I was I thought because I mean, I think all media, you know, obviously over embellishes and just flat out lies. And I just thought, I was like, there's no way that this guy's that bad. And then the first presidential debate, I quit watching it because I was like, holy shit, this guy legitimately cannot put a sentence together.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I mean, you've interviewed people. In fact, the first show I ever saw of yours was with... a building contractor who said he ran across anti-gravity technology in a military facility.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Do I think anti-gravitic propulsion systems are real? I don't know. I mean...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Do you think there are significant technologies, next generation energy, anti-gravity that the U.S. government has?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Oh, 100%. I mean, we just... Yes, I do. I think that all this alien extraterrestrial shit, I mean... It's fun to dig down there, but I mean, I think it's a big distraction. I don't know if it's meant to be some type of a controlled op, but I think it is. I think all this stuff is spiritual. That's what I think. Of course it is. I think all this stuff is spiritual.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
All these things that people are saying and stuff. I think, I think there's a spirituality component to it now that these are angels and demons or what? Pretty much. Yeah. And, um, and, uh, Where was I going with this? In anti-gravitic propulsion systems?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I mean, yeah, I think we, I mean, I would hope that we have shit that is next generation stuff that's not, you know, the same shit we've been using since World War II.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, so the only real technological advances in 80 years are like the iPhone. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Well, I mean, we have advances. Like, we just interviewed this guy, Steve Quast. And do you know Steve Quast? No. Holy shit. Fascinating guy. But he talks about how... He talks about next generation energy and the fight that the utilities companies don't want us to have new energy. But anyways, what this guy does is he... He has a company called Spacebelt, I believe.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And so he has basically created a logistics company where instead of launching one satellite up, he can – which he says that's extremely expensive and – Sometimes they break and they're fragile and they have to make the satellites bulletproof, which is a ton of weight because they have to be able to withstand going through the atmosphere.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And so what he's done is he is building a logistics company where they don't have to make the satellites bulletproof. You can make them 10 times bigger than the satellites that we have. And you launch them up in sections and pack them safely so that they can make the trip without having all that extra weight to be bulletproof.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And then his company would actually assemble those through laser robotics in space. And so what he says is possible is – and I believe him. I mean, he's got the right background to be talking about this stuff – And so what he says we can do, and we already have the technology, is basically they would put these ginormous satellites up into orbit and they would be solar.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So you wouldn't, but it would actually be a reliable, renewable energy source because there's no clouds, there's no... There's no air particles getting in the way to collect that radiation from the sun. It would convert it from solar into some type of a radio wave, and you could beam it down onto the earth to a, I can't remember what we called it, but it sounded like an antenna.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I was like, they're actually not over embellishing this. And it was on display for millions, the entire country. Yeah. still won the vote, supposedly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So, you basically put this antenna that receives… It's an energy collector. Energy. And then it would pump it back into the grid. Yeah. And, you know, I was just… So, like a solar farm in space. Yes. Yes. And… I mean, he had talked about that, and it's just like, man, like, what? This could be the answer. I mean, we could make Earth.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I mean, I think Elon said, right, we could make Earth into a park. Was that him? But, I mean, you could take out all the eyesores, all the huge solar farms that you see all over the country, the wind, the oil and gas. Like, it could all be gone, and you could do it this way. Would you get green energy tax credits for it?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I don't know. I think that's kind of the goal here. I don't think it's actually to power civilization or keep the earth clean. I think it's the tax credits drive all this stuff. It's just greed. It's the ugliest kind of greed.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, so anyways, you know, that's next generation power right there. And they said that China's building a nuclear power plant in space and they're mining helium-3 off the – off the backside of the moon. And, uh, sounds like I'm not terribly familiar with helium three, but it sounds like that is, um, that's also next generation power that can, that can cool, um,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
data centers, AI stuff, and it would really take us to the next level of energy. But then he goes on to talk about how we're falling behind from China with energy production. Well, sure. Everyone's a marketing major. I think it's here. I think it's legitimately at our fingertips.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I feel like an idiot for being shocked because, of course, it's not a democracy. Of course, the system is rigged. It's fake. Because no matter who gets elected, no matter who gets elected, you get the same foreign policy, you get the same economic policy, and the Epstein videos remain secret. So, like, that just shows you that our system has no effect on the actual system.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So this, Al, Al, come here. Sorry about that. So this story and the weird way that it happened, you know, you get the manifesto from the guy who kills himself in the Cybertruck. All these other people know that you're about to do an interview on it. Were you worried you were going to get hurt in that moment?
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah. I don't know if it's hurt. You know, I don't really care about me, but I worry about my family. Of course. And so, you know, it's always an afterthought. The only one that I've done that I'm like, ooh, I don't know if I should be doing this before was the Romania one that I was telling you about the other day. And what was the Romanian interview?
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
The George Eskew interview where they they yanked him out of the election. But it's always an afterthought. You know, after the interview, I'm like, oh, shit, I don't know if we should throw this one out. Because, you know, the FBI would have never come out and given any validity to the email, to the manifesto.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And I don't think I know the interview because it got five million views and I don't know how many listens. And just, you know, a couple of days. And so, you know, when I see that kind of traction on something, I'm like, oh, shit, I really kicked over a big rock here. I wonder what the repercussions of this are going to be.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
If you're traveling to Romania to interview a candidate who's been knocked out of the race by NATO. you know, all of a sudden, you're no longer really a podcaster. You're like a player in global politics. I just want to be a podcaster. But I mean, that kind of... I'm only feeding my own curiosity. For sure.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But the second you start, you know, tampering with the way things are, then you become a problem and therefore a fair game, no?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Wait, what are you talking about? I thought we could all sleep well at night now knowing that Epstein legitimately killed himself, right?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, I mean, we had this discussion last night. I didn't sleep a fucking wink. I was like, I was like, Jeremy, I think Tucker's trying to tell me maybe I need to simmer down.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I don't think so at all. I just think you said last night, I'm just a podcaster. I was like, I'm familiar with that way of thinking. But if you just take three steps back and, you know, if you're exposing things that are, you know, important things, big things like who gets to run the world and, you know, who's getting the money.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You know, I think you're still a podcaster, but you're also something else, right?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, I guess somewhat of a disruptor. But, you know, I just, when I do do it, I lean into, I mean, I lean into God and I really just consider myself kind of a conduit. not kind of a conduit. I consider myself a conduit and whatever comes to me, um, there's supposed to happen. Yes. And with the, like, for example, you know, I'm pretty new at this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
What was that? Did that just come out? It's just two guys that I really like. I mean, I love Bongino, but... He's a friend of mine. But you weren't convinced by that? No.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I haven't completed the Bible or anything, but, but the more that I dig into just everything in the world, I think that I just think that everything, everything is a lie. Everything. I think it's all a lie. And, um, and, um, And then it's, partially my job to expose, you know, what I know and to bring some type of truth. Can you give me an example?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I mean, clearly Joe Biden's health turned out to be a lie. Epstein killed himself, clearly a lie. I grieve that they said something like that in public because I like those guys, particularly Dan, but that's a lie. I bet my house on it. But what else, when you say everything's a lie, what are you referring to?
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I think everything is a lie.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I think. Why do you think that? How could you not? I mean, you're way deeper in this stuff than I am. I think it's all a show. I think everybody is out for themselves. And it sucks. It sucks to see that and to know it. And I mean, COVID just got a lot of people thinking, to include me. And then when you start diving into It just leads to all these different rabbit holes, right?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
The Epstein stuff, the COVID stuff, just legitimately everything. The UFO shit, all of it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Should we be, I've reached a similar conclusion by that. I'm not making fun of you. Of course, I agree with you. But should we be shocked by that? Or does it say that really explicitly in the New Testament? And like, we're just dumb and naive if we thought anything other than that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I mean, it says, right? I am the only truth. I am the truth. And Satan runs the world, by the way. It says that. And so I think everything is a deception. Everything. Maybe even our whole reality is a deception. So... Like Neuralink, for example. Yeah. You know, I was interviewing... What's... Can you... For people who don't know, what's Neuralink?
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Neuralink, it's that chip that, you know, they're going to put in everybody's brain. That sounds wholesome. Pretty sick for that. You getting one? Am I getting one? I don't even like electricity. If you don't, then you'll fall behind. I can't wait. You know, so... But... I had, you know, I've been fascinated with that subject.
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I would love to interview somebody on it, but that is on the inside over there. But, you know, and I think, yeah, you know, right? Like the premise right now is to, you know, get paralyzed people moving again and help the blind see. And that's all great. But, you know, I mean, when I found out that it was going to help the blind see, I was like, wait a second.
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Why? I mean, just, I've dug into that and it's just so spooky what's going on with that and how nobody, nobody, I mean, how do you charge a guy with sex trafficking when there are no, there's no end users that have been charged? Who do you do traffic to?
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So if you put this fucking chip in your head, and they can help the blind see, then wouldn't they also be able to project an entire false reality in your mind? And I had interviewed a couple of doctors about it. I interviewed Andrew Huberman about it. We just got brought up and then talked to Ben Carson about it. Pretty much came to the same conclusion.
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And not only would they be able to manipulate, you know, vision, there would also be emotion, touch, smell, taste, everything into your head. So there you go right there. I mean, we're on the cusp of a total false reality. Your entire life could be a false reality.
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People are upset about Real ID at the airport, facial recognition, giving others control over your brain neurologically. That seems like a step farther. what I mean like just biometrics do you know why they're pushing it no I do why this is my understanding based on conversations with people who are involved in it because of AI and the blind seed lame walk it's all great but
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But the real concern is that AI is already at this point beyond human control. It's already at the point where it's lying to the people who created it, which suggests consciousness. And Neuralink and efforts like Neuralink are the people who are running it believe the only way for people to keep up with AI. Otherwise, we will be its slaves.
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See, I don't know. I've kind of changed my tune on that. Maybe you know more about it than I do, but I mean, we feed the data centers that power the AI, you know? And so, I mean, I think that, you know, some of the, I don't think that now that I understand it a little bit better, I don't think AI is going to develop its own consciousness and make decisions for us.
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I think that, you know, I think that the major fear would be if, for example, China hacked our databases and started feeding our AIs false information that would be detrimental in a conflict or propaganda or whatever, you know? But, I mean, we are the ones, humans are the ones that build and feed the information into the data centers and... And it just processes all that information.
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So I raised this question with one of the people who, one of the big, biggest, you know, forces behind AI. And I said, well, just turn it off. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm.
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Well, that's a great question.
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human beings run power plants and this person said even now we can't be sure that the machine is telling us the truth about where its power is coming from interesting so look i i you know i was a russian history major like i know nothing i'm not pretending to have some special insight but i did get hear that directly from someone who's deeply involved
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And even right now, I mean, well, you know a lot of people that are deeply involved. No, not really, but I mean, you know, they travel. You know, with stuff like AI, I mean, it still goes to a human at the end, you know, to make that decision. Until you get a chip in your brain. Yeah, good point. But, you know, so for example... you know, for military use, you know, the AI system would
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tell you what it is. So let's say it's a plane, you know, that pops up on a radar or something. The AI system will immediately identify it, tell you the capabilities, tell you your courses of action, tell you your different courses of action, tell you the outcomes of those different courses of action.
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Uh, I don't know. You got me on that one. I mean, right. How do you, how do you charge him with that? If there's no, if there's no, I mean, if that's where the trail starts, where does it end? So I think there's just a lot more going on than the majority of people know about. What do you think that was? What do I think it was? I think it was a blackmail operation. What do you think it was?
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And so you have all these options, you know, that would be some type of an analyst or strategist that would, you know, take... Hours, days, weeks, maybe months, you know, to come up with the information to present to whoever the decision maker is to make that actual decision.
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But with the power of AI, you know, and these new chips that are processing so fast, I mean, you get that information in seconds, minutes, hours versus seconds. Hours, days, weeks, months. And so you can act on that a lot faster because all the information's been processed, every possible outcome, the percentage of coming out on top. I mean, it's like a complete war game within seconds.
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And everyone's mad at Joe Biden. But then the other way to look at it is like, Who kept that secret from the rest of us? And who was actually running the government for those four years?
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It sounds amazing, but the advantage is also the vulnerability. Now, I mean, if it's subverted because someone hacks your system and gives you the wrong coordinates or misidentifies, you know, allies as enemies, or you could see that going, you could see that being like the way you lose. Definitely, definitely. So maybe the guy with the bolt action 308 with iron sights wins. Yeah.
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Maybe the lowest technology force wins.
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I'm with you, but, you know, I mean, how do you know that a human source is not a double agent? I mean, there's always going to be checks and balances, right? So, I mean, that's why we need a better energy grid. We need to be able to power our fucking AI data center so that we can build more AIs because when – AI wars happen, it'll be who has more AIs, and it'll be AIs going against AIs.
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So we need more AIs to combat somebody with – we need more AIs than our enemies, than our adversaries.
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So we're only 40 minutes in, and you've already said – you have said so far you don't believe in anything. Technology is moving at such – a pace that it's hard for people even to like think about. It's moving so quickly, going places we can't yet imagine. And just to restate once more, nothing is real anyway.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Can you be very specific day to day about how you stay sane while thinking about stuff like that?
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I live in the woods and I don't talk to anybody, but my team and my family and I don't go out much, you know, I just, I don't.
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Is that a happy life?
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Yeah. I would rather spend time with my kids and my wife than anybody on the planet. So, you know, in fact, even when we go out to dinners with people and I say, oh, yeah, let's do a dinner. The day the dinner comes up, I'm like, why the fuck are we going to dinner? I should be spending time with the kids right now.
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You speak for every American husband. There's not one husband who's like, what? Them? How do we do?
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Well, you said we could. Yeah. But I mean, even the energy thing that we just discussed, I mean, it's a lie. Like here we have this stupid debate going on about fucking renewables and fossil fuels. And it's like, I just told you the answer. It's right here. It's been here for years. Nobody's acting on it. Right? This is all a fucking lie. It's right here. It's right here.
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But nobody wants to talk about it. So keep the same debate going.
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Just to go back, because you're not the only person, anyone who's made it this far in the conversation is probably in a similar place to where you are right now. Like, oh, my gosh, this is just bewildering. Like, what's real? This all does. It does seem like the acid trip that never ended. A lot of the news you read doesn't really have a lot of inherent meaning, but this does.
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I think it was a blackmail operation run by the CIA and the Israeli intel services. And probably others. You know, French intelligence always has a hand in everything, I've noticed. So probably them too. You know, but the usual, you know, darkest forces in the world colluding to make rich and powerful people obey their agenda.
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So you get three months right now at hallow.com slash Tucker for free. You'll be glad you did hallow.com slash Tucker. What is your daily regimen? If you, if you don't mind, if it's not too personal, like what do you, you wake up and then you do what? Like what are the steps that you take every day to remain grounded and sane and happy? I pray a lot.
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When? I wake up, I pray all the time, you know, and I don't mean down on my knees. I just, I'm always looking for signs. I'm always trying to make sure that, you know, I'm doing the right thing and that I'm not... Doing interviews just for numbers and shit like that. I mean, I look for good people, you know, with a good heart, especially when I do something like a life story.
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You know, I'm looking for that guy that's grinding, that is not getting any traction with his business, who served the country and put him up. But I mean, I don't know. And then I also keep in the... Daily routine.
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I mean, I wake up, I got a one-year-old and a three-year-old and I wake up and I have about three cups of tea and I play around with my kids and spend a lot of time on the phone, unfortunately, because I'm getting all the incoming in. Um, that's coming in that morning. Then I go into the office and I meet with everybody and do an interview or I don't do an interview.
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And then I just go back home to my kids. But, um, you know, as far as staying grounded, I mean, I just keep in mind like, Hey, this, this all could go away in two seconds. I mean, who knows? Somebody could do a headpiece on me like they are right now. I told you about it. And it could all go away. When maybe a previous mistake that I made in life comes to light and they cancel me.
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And if they do, fuck it. I don't care. I'll hang out with my kids and my wife and live the rest of my life. Maybe I'll move up here, get a spot in the woods and never see anybody again. But I just don't take myself too seriously and I don't buy my own bullshit. That's it, man.
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When you say you don't put people on just for numbers, everyone who has a public-facing job understands what you're saying. But for people who don't, will you describe that a little more fully? What do you mean? You pass on stories, you said, or pass on interviews if the only upside is just that it gets huge numbers.
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Yeah, yeah. I'm just not interested in it. You know what I mean? If I see... I'll give you an example. I mean, I had... If I see somebody go on the circuit that's like... I'm just not interested because then I'm just doing the same stuff that everybody else is doing. And I've canceled interviews. I've had people that I've been one to have on for a long time.
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I mean, look, though, I don't understand why... Nobody has come out on it. Nobody has come out on it. Right. I mean, because if you paint the scenario, I mean, you get on a jet. Maybe maybe you're totally innocent. You don't know what's going on. Two hot women come out of the whatever stewardess place, come out and. One thing leads to another. Yes. I mean, and then what happens?
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And then I'll pull up YouTube and there they are on the Tucker Carlson show. And I'm like, hey, cancel that interview. I don't want to.
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I take your sloppy seconds with gratitude. I'm like, really? Sean Ryan interviewed him?
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No, I think it's cool, but I just, I don't want to, I don't want to, I mean, you're a phenomenal interviewer and it's, and so it's, it's, well, what am I going to get out of this guy that Tucker didn't or Megan didn't or you know what I mean? You don't want to be part of someone's publicity campaign either. Exactly. You know?
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And, and so I really, I, you know, I pride myself on being different and I've set my whole business up to be different. Yeah. and, um, as different as I can be. And, um, so I just, I, I just feed my own curiosity and I look for people that I believe to be a positive influence on the world and a good, uh, role model for kids.
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I mean, I think the role model thing has gotten, it's just, it's horrible. I mean, who the hell do kids have to look up to now? That's right. You know? And, and so that's, that's what I look for. Just good human beings with good values that are pumping some type of good in the world, whether that's fighting evil or spreading the word or whatever, you know, and going against the grain.
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And, you know, I was brought up to always root for the underdog. And I do that.
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It's the most American impulse you can have. We were the underdog. This country was the underdog, so. Yes, it was. You don't ever want to be the overdog. No, no. You don't want to be part of the machine.
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So how have you set your business up to be different? Well, I mean, so when I got into podcasting, I mean, I didn't even know if I wanted to do it. I just... That was only five and a half years ago. Yeah, it was five and a half years ago in my attic. And I got tired of teaching tactics and shooting and stuff like that. And so I tried a bunch of different things and...
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And I looked at podcast as a whole and I saw, you know, back then everybody had the purple curtain behind them and all their little stuff in the middle of the table that means nothing to them other than Joe. You know, he's got his stuff on the middle of the table. Now everybody's got their shit on the middle of the table. And and and so I set it up to be different. I wanted a relaxed environment.
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I didn't want any equipment in the shots. I wanted I mean, you've been there. It's it's you melt into that room and it's very disarming. And there's a lot of history there from people that share similar values and. on display for everybody to see.
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You like it. That's what I noticed about your studio. You made it a space that you're comfortable in and it reflects what you think and it reflects the life that you've lived and the people that you love. It's not, it's the opposite of generic. Thank you. Well, no, it's really, it's very noticeable.
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But but, you know, and nobody really back then had good camera aesthetics. And so I saw David Letterman's My Next Guest on Netflix, and I really liked the way it looked and with the camera movements and the shots that they had. And I said, I want to make that, but in my own way. And on a $2,000 budget.
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And so I taught myself how to film, taught myself how to edit, taught my wife how to film, taught myself how to run sound. And so I wanted an environment that looked really good on camera, that disarmed people. I noticed, especially where I come from in the SEAL team, it's very egocentric. Yeah.
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community and nobody can just make the interview about the guests they have to make it about themselves and insert their own fucking experiences and it's all i killed bin laden oh cool i killed this person and it's like it's not about you man it's about them and so uh so i would totally keep my own experiences out of the interview and i would compliment people instead of
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challenging them all the time, a couple of like, wow, that's like you just made it into Delta. That's like the premier special ops group in the entire world. I mean, how did that feel? That's amazing. You know, and when when you compliment somebody in a in a in a world that is extremely competitive, you know, it it's like, oh, shit, like this guy's different.
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Thank you for letting me talk and actually complimenting me on my service. And then on top of that, we started from episode one. Where did that insight come from? Therapy. I did a lot of therapy when I quit contracting for CIA.
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They go, oh, we got you. You're on camera. And by the way, these girls are 15 or 16 or whatever the hell they were, right? But I mean, it's... Yes, I mean, yes. If you're a married guy, it's pretty fucked up that you're doing that. But I mean, it's nothing new under the sun. So... Why wouldn't you just scream blackmail at the top of your lungs?
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I always think of therapy as making people more self-involved, but that sounds like whoever you had in therapy sounds like it was encouraging you to become less about yourself.
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They don't talk. They don't talk. I mean, with my therapist, it was, I did all the talking and I would wind up working my own problems out in my head and she would just guide me, you know? And so I took that model and brought it to my show and it just worked.
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But it sounds like you concluded that humility, focusing on other people, that was the key.
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I would say you're exactly right.
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don't know that that's an obvious conclusion I don't most people don't seem to reach that conclusion really judging from I was in the airport I don't go to the airport very much but I was there yesterday and listening to two people have a air quotes conversation where each one was just waiting for the other one to stop talking before talking at the person it was like not one person ever said really how really how interesting
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And I feel like that's the experience that people have, not just watching podcasts, but like on, you know, day to day. Yeah. People don't listen.
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Yeah. I mean, you know, I guess there is one other thing that I just, I'm not afraid to say that I don't know what we're talking about. And so you get a lot of people, you know, you get a lot of people, they fucking trap themselves. Yes. And it's like... I told you about what I know about AI, and that's the extent of it.
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If we're going to go deeper, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, so I'm not going to pretend like I know I'm talking about to make it look like I'm the resident expert because the resident experts are going to call you completely full of shit. You don't know what you're talking about.
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You always get caught, like pretending you don't have prostate cancer, like in the end people think.
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People will find out. But, I mean, it's okay to not know everything. Of course. And with so many people fall into the trap that are like, oh, yeah, I have shit. They just asked me a question I'm not an expert on. I have to come up with something. And I have, like, no shame in just going, yeah, I don't even know what the fuck that word means that you just said. Could you please explain that?
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And I think there's a lot of people like me that... They don't understand maybe the vocabulary that's coming out. There aren't a lot of people who will admit it, actually. There aren't that many people. Everybody's a genius. Everybody's a tough guy.
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But playing a role that they know is fake.
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Yeah. It's sad. It's sad to watch it.
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Well, it's a kind of slavery, too. I mean, you're not free when you're pretending to be something you're not.
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Yeah.
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So you showed me something last night, speaking of how you run your business differently than I thought was like the coolest thing I've ever seen. You're building a new studio. You totally lost control and just totally lost control, I will say, as someone who has a studio. It's like the craziest thing. It's the coolest thing. Big piece property. Yeah.
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bass pond shooting range, like beautifully designed. It's just super cool. But at the construction phase on the, well, you, you, you explain how you, how you built it. That's different.
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Oh, so, I mean, like I was saying last night, I'm really big on company culture. And like I had mentioned earlier, you know, my people that work for me and with me are like a second family to me. And I take on their burdens and I... Help them through life. And I want to give them the best experience that I can, too. I mean, they work their asses off for me.
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And so I want them to be proud of where they work. And I want them to enjoy being at work. And so there's a wellness center. There's...
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Like, I didn't know this is what happened and just come clean on it. Why do you think? Because they're repeat customers. Yeah.
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everybody i mean there's it's you gotta see it man when it's done it's it's all like super top of the line very very nice and you know they'll be able to hunt out there they'll be able to fish out there they'll be able to shoot out there they'll be able to work out out there they'll be able to i want them to bring their families in for lunch like i want that environment so that
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know one that they're they're proud of where they work they want to work there and they're the best paid people in the business i don't have a big team but i have a amazing team you want them to bring their families for lunch hell yeah man that's the coolest absolutely and um and um if they want to you know and and and you know on top of just
The Tucker Carlson Show
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giving you know and creating like that environment uh you know it i mean this is a cutthroat business unfortunately and see people jumping from camp to camp i've never lost somebody you know i've never lost somebody that did said hey fuck it i'm going to tucker's hey i'm going to the daily wire hey i'm going here i'm going there they they don't want to be anywhere but you haven't lost anyone to the daily wire i haven't lost anybody to anything
The Tucker Carlson Show
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I'm such a... We get a lot of people from the Daily Wire wanting to work here, though.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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you put Bibles under the foundation?
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Yeah. Yeah. We put, we put, so yeah, on top of that, my whole team is really into scripture and, uh, we're all very like-minded and, and, um, you know, I'd mentioned before, I feel like I'm just a conduit. And, uh, so, and I do, I live a lot of my life in paranoia at times. And so, um, He is the only protection. So yeah, we put a Bible in every corner of the foundation.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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because they're so deeply implicated that they can't actually get out of it yeah maybe not i don't know i mean there's also at least in me the growing sense that it's not just blackmail that makes people obey it's not just bribery it's also the threat of violence do you know anybody that's been threatened with violence I think every U.S.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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We wrote scripture on every single exterior stud in that building. And to... or protection.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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I saw Jeremy, your producer, had a picture he showed me last night of it's a shot down the wall and the studs are still visible. And each one has a, I read three from Ephesians, but like long quotes from the New Testament.
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Yeah. Everybody on the team had a part in that.
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Who thought of that?
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Me. Why? I went to a party once And the people at the party who hosted the party showed me their house and told me that they had done that. And I was like, that they had written scripture on every stud. And I was like, oh man, that is awesome. I'm doing that. Everything that we build from now on, we'll have that. That is the coolest.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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So you say you feel like a conduit. How do you receive instructions?
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Gut. I think God speaks to you through gut. And I think the signs are always there, but a lot of us are too busy.
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and wrapped up in our own shit to see him and um so for example like the george eskew interview was i was nervous about that one you know because i dug into the i dug into it and i was i was like like i don't you know if this guy is a russian asset i don't know if this is a good idea i don't want to be on the wrong team here uh i don't want to fall victim to
The Tucker Carlson Show
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444 is a huge number to me. Why? Well, so... I had this experience in Sedona where I came to Christ. And three things happened to me, all within very profound things in about 15 minutes the last day I was there. And when I got home, I had called somewhat of a spiritual mentor to me. His name's Eddie Penny.
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And he had started talking about, I called him at midnight when I got back and I was like, hey, this happened to me. I don't know what this means, but I think I need to lean into Jesus a little bit here. And that's not something I've done in probably the past 20 years. And so he started going on about this stuff with demonic attacks now that I've shown a side.
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And he goes, man, a lot of people have been praying for this to happen. And I'm like, well, what do you mean? Like what, why, who is, what the hell is happening? And then he started talking about guardian angels and all this other stuff. And I had a meeting scheduled at noon with my IT guy, who is a devout Catholic.
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And I call him up and I think we're going to be talking about, I don't know, website stuff and IT crap. And he has the exact same conversation with me, not even knowing that I'd had this experience yet. Doesn't know Eddie. I mean, he is a IT guy and Eddie is a former development group guy. There's no connection. Has the exact same conversation. Starts talking about it.
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Can you just define a former what group guy? Team Six. Yeah. And ever since I had Eddie on and he shared his testimony, I released an episode every Christmas. That's when I kicked the show off was Christmas. And I was like, man, this testimony is like so awesome. I think this should be the Christmas episode.
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So, every single person that came on the show for probably the next year and a half, at least, had brought up God or the Bible or Christ. And it was like a... turning point, uh, in my podcast that just, and I didn't like, I don't push Christianity on people. I don't, you know, it, it would just organically come up in the conversation.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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president has been threatened with violence implicitly because of the murder of John F. Kennedy. I've known a bunch of presidents, and I think every one of them understands that, you know, it's pretty obvious what happened there. Or the outlines, you know, maybe not the details. And no one has, to this day, released all the files. And, like, why is that?
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And, um, and so I always thought like, maybe God's like working through my show or something. I don't know. But anyway, so after this, after all this stuff happened in Sedona, which was mind blowing to me, I have this conversation with Adam and Right, T-Guy. So I'm driving and I call up my social media manager. I'm like, hey, look up 444. I want to know what it means. Something just happened.
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And get this shit. I love how open you are to this. He looks it up. And do you know what it is?
The Tucker Carlson Show
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It means your guardian angels want to know that they're watching over you. Right after we just had a discussion, four hours and 44 minutes prior, about Guardian Angels.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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That's wild.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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And so then I was like, okay, that's a sign. Because I told you, too, I live in a... At that time, I had released the Brian Montgomery interview about sex trafficking, which is a whole other debacle that the FBI started getting involved in. And I had interviewed Tyler Andrew Vargas, which was the young Marine who survived the Abagate bombing, who lost his leg and his arm.
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And nobody would talk to him because it made the Biden administration look so bad. We were fighting YouTube about it, and he had all this real footage from his camera about the guy that blew up the gate that they should have killed. Anyways, told me that Good Morning America had interviewed him for seven hours and only released five seconds of the interview. Here's another God thing, man.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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So, having breakfast, my team really wanted to get Tyler on, and I was like... Every media outlet in the world is probably trying to talk to this guy right now because he's the only living eyewitness. And I'm like, we're never going to get him. I'll probably wind up on Tucker or Rogan or, you know, and I was like, fine, I'll shoot him a message. on Instagram. So I shoot him a message immediately.
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He's like, yep, I'm in, let's do it. I had breakfast with him before the interview and at breakfast, he's sitting there with his fiance and he goes, man, he started tearing up and he goes, man, I have interviewed with so many mainstream media outlets and they're all full of shit and nobody will tell the truth and nobody will release like what I tell them.
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Congress didn't pay attention when I testified in front of them. And he goes, I literally looked at my fiance and he's like, man, I just wish the Sean Ryan guy would just reach out. And he goes, I pulled my phone up and you had just messaged me. It was the first thing I saw. And he goes, there it was. Like, it was like, God answered me like right there in that moment. And I was like, holy shit.
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Like, that's not a coincidence. There are no coincidences. I don't believe in coincidences anymore. No. So I get these, like, signs, like, all the time where if I feel like I should be, if I'm questioning something, he'll throw out a sign. And, like, the George Eskew interview, me and Jeremy are sitting at the airport, and I'm telling him, like, I don't know about this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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because the message is really clear you know if you get too far outside the boundaries like you could wind up like jfk who places the boundaries probably the same forces that murdered the sitting president in 1963. you know what i mean like if you listen to the tape of richard nixon talking to the ci director in the oval office no one else around of course it's being taped
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It's the first time I had ever brought somebody to do an Overwatch for me because I was nervous. You know, I was like, ooh, I don't know if we should be doing this. Yeah. Fucking with NATO. We should probably bring a security guy. NATO, they're just peacekeepers. Yeah. Right. That's why they're building the... Come on. Relax, relax, Sean. They're on our side. NATO base in Europe.
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And... The training army. But anyways, I had...
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sometimes i just tweet out something that pops in my head right so i tweet it out the truth is like a lion you don't have to defend it set it free and it'll defend itself and i tweeted that out i like that and i had this debacle going on in my head like should i be doing this like am i doing this for the right reason is this guy does he need to be heard or is he just some type of a russian show walk out of the lounge
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This is all, I don't know, five minutes. And this woman comes around the corner and she has this huge lion head on her shirt, like this big sequence, glittery lion head. And that's what was in my head and what I had just tweeted out. And to me, I mean, probably everybody will call me crazy, but to me, I'm like, that's the sign that I needed to see. Like I just articulated this.
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And you don't see too many people running around the airport with a big lion head on their shirt, like a massive lion head.
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My reaction is not that you're crazy. My reaction is I need to get off my phone sufficient to see signs that are all around me. They're everywhere. Because I agree with you completely. And I feel like the phone is an instrument of distraction and evil, really. Though I couldn't live without it. I need it for my job. It allows me to live where I want. talk to my wife and children and all that.
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There are upsides, but in general, I feel like I miss everything. If a sign happened, it would really have to come by text message or I wouldn't see it. Yeah. Well, I hope you do that. Yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot. Are you self-consciously not on your phone sometimes? Yeah. What's your phone regimen?
The Tucker Carlson Show
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6 p.m. it goes on airplane mode. 6 p.m.? Yep. You're not on your phone after 6 p.m.? Other than if somebody on my team texts me, and they would text for an emergency. It's not airplane mode. It's like, I don't know, whatever.
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Like this whatever. I don't know what it is either, but it screens out. Nothing comes to me.
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So except my assistant, Jeremy, and family. And so I don't mess around on the phone. After 6 p.m.? 6 p.m., man. It's like 1985 life.
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I mean, you know, sometimes, yeah, there, there are, you know, sometimes I'm, sometimes it happens, you know, if I'm working late or something and I'm, I'm always working, but I mean, I don't like, I don't mess around on social media or, you know, half the texts I get are just people asking for favors anyways. So. Only half? Probably more. Yeah. More. Yeah.
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All my friends I haven't talked to in... Five and a half years is a very short period of time to become as successful as you have. Thank you. Well, I'm not complimenting you. I'm saying I'm surprised you're not crazier because that's a big change. That's a big, big change in a short period of time.
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Don't you think? Well, I think. Yeah, it's been a huge change. But, you know, I mean, it's just... We're all just humans and some people have a... I mean, like I said, man, I just don't take myself too seriously and none of this shit really gets to me. It could all be taken away at a moment's notice and I'm ready to give it back. And I'm just... All I'm doing is trying to do good, you know?
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And so... I mean, when I meet people like you or some of the other people that have been on the show, I mean, there is an aspect like, I can't believe I'm like having fucking dinner with Tucker right now. This is so weird. Like people would kill to do this. But in the end, I mean, you're just like me, man. You eat, sleep, shit. That's it. And I take that approach with everybody I meet.
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And Nixon knows that because it's his taping system, but it's still his. He has no expectation anyone's going to hear this. When he brings up Kennedy's murder, he's the president. In fact, not only is he the president, he's won by the biggest... landslide in American history is a real mandate. And he is afraid. He's afraid even to talk in private to the CIA director about what that was.
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There's nothing, sorry, Tucker, I love you, but there is.
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Yeah, I've always thought it's very easy to get perspective on your life if you can see yourself kind of clearly. It's very hard to mistake yourself for Jesus if you're like honest. Mm-hmm. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And I really look down on people who have delusions. We're just people, man.
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Oh, that's for sure. It's sad to watch power get to people's heads. It's really a shame.
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So what steps do you take to keep yourself pure of heart? I notice you haven't been in D.C. like every week. I hate D.C., That's where all the power is.
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Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Well, I'm not interested in power. Don't you want to rush toward it like a bug light?
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
No. I've been asked to run for something, but I just have no interest in it. What are your goals at this point? My goals are to...
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whenever i exit this uh i want my family to be set for generations i want my team to be set for generations i want to continue to help them and and i just i just want to show that there's a lot of us out there that think on the same page regardless of what the media says and i think i am a
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This sounds weird talking about myself like this, but I think I am, for whatever reason, I think I am just the average, uneducated, no college degree guy in the country that can talk to people. Wait, you don't have a college degree? No. Oh, I wish I'd known that before I set up this interview. But I don't. Wow. Wow. I'm just a I'm just a average guy that that has a hard time understanding stuff.
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And I don't let my ego get in the way. I don't pretend like I know shit that I don't know. And if I don't understand that, I fucking ask questions. And it helps everybody that watches my show understand something because it's dumbed down to a level that the majority of America can digest and comprehend.
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You listen carefully. Having gone on your show, I think that's the key. You listen very carefully. Most people do not do that. So you don't go to D.C. because you think it's disgusting. You think power corrupts. It doesn't just enhance. Yeah, definitely.
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I mean, you know, it's also like. None of these people will be talking to me if I didn't have a show. Obviously. So it's like, I don't know, man. I just, I don't like it.
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And he indicates, like, I know what happened to Jack Kennedy. And the CIA director doesn't even respond. And the president doesn't have the balls to say, hey, son, I'm talking to you. You work for me. Like, I want the files on this. Like, I knew Jack Kennedy. He was murdered. He was shot in the head next to his wife in public. Like, a man died. I want to know what happened here.
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I was amazed, amazed to find out, I don't know if it's public, but you came very close to booking Kamala Harris.
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How'd that come about? Well, I mean, I, who was the first candidate? I think, It was either DeSantis. I think DeSantis wasn't in studio. And it's the only Zoom interview I've ever done. What'd you think of him? I mean, as far as like a person, I didn't... It was very... It was like 15 minutes, man. So I don't have a gauge. I like a lot of the stuff that he's done down in Florida.
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Pretty much all of it. But that I know of. I don't know everything, but... But I had said at the beginning, I'll interview any presidential candidate. I don't care what side they're on. I'm not going to blast you. But I think it's important that people know who that person is, whether we talk about politics or not. Like the RFK we talked about his heroin addiction and all that kind of stuff. And.
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And, you know, it gives you a little more background on what what how they grew up, what their values are as a person, not just some soundbite bullshit, you know, that's fed to them. And and so I wanted to interview them. People on the other side of the fence, too. And I really wanted Kamala to come on. I think it's Kamala. Whatever. I think that's racist. It's irrelevant at this point.
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As it gets racist, you just call it Kamala. But but so we got in touch with her camp. We didn't hear anything. We did a couple of press releases and to maybe pressure her into it a little bit.
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and um she took it seriously and and she watched i was told she watched she spent a night going through particular interviews and liked the way that i interviewed and liked my style and she wanted to do it and uh they asked you know what do i want to talk about and i said well i think we should definitely talk about the afghan withdrawal and the taliban funding i'm
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Pretty much initiated that entire conversation that developed into what it is and me and my guests and they didn't want to talk about that. I said, well, it's going to look bad on me if I don't talk about that because I've been hammering this damn thing for a year now. over a year, I think. But I was like, all right, well, what do you want to talk about?
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Do you want to talk about national security? They're like, what do you think you disagree on her the most on? Told them. What was it? The gender stuff with kids. That was my biggest thing. You know, and I don't really care about adults, you know, that do it. But you can't give a kid the keys to do that, you know, at that age. And eight years old, I mean, eight years old, was it Washington?
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That's like the state will come in and take your kid from you if you don't do it, if they want to. I mean, what is... Why even have parents at that point? I'm sure they don't want us to have parents. Well, exactly. But anyways, I said that and, you know, they were like... It got to the point where I just said, look, I don't even care.
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He does not have the balls to say that to his own CIA director. Man. That's the level of fear that a murder like that that's officially unsolved, but, you know, who's outlawing everyone really, a lot of people understand. Like, that's the fear that that inculcates. Do you think it runs that deep with everybody? Yeah. I think if you're president, you're very aware of the physical risk of the job.
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I was like, how about you just give me the outline and we'll do it that way. I don't care. Like, I know how to do an interview and I'll make it work. And I'll find my... my groove and whatever you give me, I'm confident in my abilities and, and, um, they were going to do it. And then, um, and then the bread bear interview came out with her and it just fell off the map. We just quit talking to us.
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So I don't know, you know, cause Brett asked her like a single question and she didn't feel like answering. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what it was. How do you think it would have gone? I think it would have gone, um, I think it would have gone, no matter what they handed me for the outline or if I created my own outline, that the questions would have been blaming Trump for everything.
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Even if it was nothing to do with the question. I think it would have just been... Trump did this. Trump did that. What about Trump? Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. You know, and I don't think I would have gotten any of her views or solutions or initiatives or anything. I think it would all been just flipped around and pointed back at Trump.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Do you think it's possible there would have been like a spark of warmth between the two of you? Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I do. Really? Yeah. Because I mean, I, no matter who it is, I'm going to treat the guests with respect. And, and I think that's, I just, you know, in, you know, on top of that, I mean, do I like her? Do I agree with anything that she did? No, but I also know that there's an aspect of media that I'm probably not getting the full picture. And I, so I want to hear him out. Good for you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But it was never going to be like a gotcha or a combative interview. You know, I wouldn't have done that. I've never done that. I'll challenge people on stuff, but I'm not going to get into some type of a bickering contest. And you know, why? Because I just, I'm, that's just not who I am.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You had a pretty ferocious job before. We had enough of that? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Is there anyone you wouldn't interview?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, there's people I wouldn't interview. I don't interview people that, I mean, I kind of said it earlier, you know, I don't interview people that are on the circuit. I don't really give a shit about your new book that's coming out. I don't care. There's plenty of other podcasts that can do that. I just, you know, what I look for other than that, because that's different.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Those aren't my values that we obviously differ on probably just about everything. But I just look for good people that are doing something in the world that aren't getting recognition or aren't getting traction and I think would be a good role model. And that's who I bring on the show. And that's one of the things I'm good at is being able to take somebody who nobody's ever heard of, ever,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And people tune in. People will tune in because it's fresh material. It's good people doing good things. And they finally get the exposure that they needed to actually get some type of traction.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You interviewed Trump for hours, I think. How long was that interview?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Well, one hour. One hour. Yeah, a little over. He was like, I don't know, 70 minutes or something. What did you think of him? I really liked him. I wasn't expecting him to be as personal as he was. He met everybody on my team and made it a point to... It wasn't like shaking somebody's hand and talking to his assistant. It was direct eye contact. Wanted to meet the entire team.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Wouldn't you be? I mean, yeah, but I think that goes without saying. But I mean, some of these guys on the lower levels, I mean, I don't know. It's just so sophisticated. I mean, when you dive into it, it seems so sophisticated. And having been a small part in some of the intel agencies, it's just not that sophisticated. I think people give them a lot more credit than they deserve.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
There was three NFL stars in there that came in to meet him. As soon as I walked in the room, he... didn't care about him, came right over, introduced himself. I mean, it was very personable. And then after the interview, sat down in a room and talked with us. And it was really, I was happy. And I was more happy that he treated my team with respect.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And cause you know, you see a lot of people that are like, oh, you're just the fucking help. And it's like, no, that's like who makes the whole thing. So, you know, and, um, And so I really appreciated that. You know, it was you never really know what you're going to get with with.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
How do you think the administration is going so far?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
How about this? I think there's some really, look. What do you like? What don't you like? I like that they got rid of the DEI stuff. Yeah. I think that was low hanging fruit. I think that, you know, they fixed it really quick. I don't think we need to harp on it anymore and let's move on. And, you know, I just interviewed Tom Holman. What he's done with the border seems really impressive to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So I'm really happy about those things. I'm not happy that the Epstein files have not come to fruition yet.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I'm sure they're coming out any day now, wouldn't you think?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah. I won't hold my breath. But I think that... I think we still need a lot of work. A lot of work. And I am... Losing hope.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Why? What specifically makes you feel hopeless?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Oh, man. I mean... Who's controlling our country and the influences and why haven't we seen these things? And it makes me skeptical. You know, and... I don't hear... You know, some of this is I may just not know, you know, because I don't, like I mentioned, I don't pretend to know everything that's going on. And I don't put the time in that I would need to to figure it all out.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But, you know, there's things like the energy grid. And it's like, man, like we really need to fucking do something with our grid like yesterday.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But is that more important than bombing Iran? Yeah. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
it is and yeah you know that stuff you know I get I mean I don't know I want to know like what the real motivations are and I love everything he says and the majority of everything that he says but you know I'd like to see the Ukraine Russia thing finally come to an end and And I like what they've done with Doge. I think that maybe they've cut a little bit more than they need to.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But, you know, there's always human error with everything. But, you know, and look, I'm just – fuck it. I'm going to get blasted for this. But, you know, I mean, what a – I see all these negotiations going on in the Middle East. And then I don't know when these buildings were approved or when these deals got done.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Oh, I believe that. So I think there's a thing also where it's just addiction to power. Yes. And they're so fucking scared that they're going to lose their power. I mean, you see in every administration, to include this one.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But then I also see like, oh, there's a brand new hotel going up in Dubai or Abu Dhabi and another one going up in Doha, I think. And I'm like, did these like just get done also with the deals that just happened over there? Or was this earlier? You would probably know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You don't? I've not made $1 in the Middle East, not one. Well, I mean, you're allowing me more on the inside than I am.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
No, no, no. I'm just a visitor and a traveler and a watcher. That stuff kind of worries me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Well, it seems like corruption, yeah. But you know what bothers me more than any of this shit is that people have just lost the ability to critical think. Yeah. And if you do say something about the tariffs or is it Greenland or Iceland? I can't even remember or whatever. The big one. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
If you do, if you throw any criticism towards any and not just not just Trump, but any anybody that is in a position of power. I mean, the U.S. has just become so tribal now and it's it's you cannot criticize or or or. give any constructive criticism to what's happening without getting blasted. It's sad. It's like, man, like you guys have... 100% lost all critical thinking skills.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Like, you're not fucking thinking on your own. And you are given the values that you align with. You're no longer going off the way you were raised or what's true to you as a person. I think a lot of people don't even fucking know what that is anymore. And they're just told. They're told. They align with the tribe. Whatever that tribe says, they're going to do. They're going to say.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
They're going to follow. And that's sad. And I think that that could resemble the beginning of the end.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I agree with every word. And I can't help but note, because I was there for it, at the beginning of the internet, we were told that all of this information would make us better informed and would increase our critical thinking abilities and that people wouldn't have to follow the propaganda because they would have... All the information. And the opposite has turned out to be true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
people that are you know it's it's everybody wants to help the country right but everybody wants to help the country that they have their their thing that they could do to help the country and then they get placed in something they have no fucking business being in at all they know there are better people to run that sector of the government but hey i'll i'll take it because i'm the best no the fuck you're not
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
People seem much easier to control than ever before. Yeah. And that makes me sad. So back to the heaviest thing I think you've said, which is that you don't believe that anything's real. And again, I think most people can understand where you're coming from when you say that. One of the effects of that is to make everyone really, really paranoid. When it turns out that...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You know, most of the things derided as conspiracy theories are real. Like, clearly, the explanation for 9-11 is silly. Clearly, you know, and we're never going to find out any of this stuff. And so I think... A reasonable person concludes like, man, there's a lot going on I don't get. There's a lot of secret stuff. There are a lot of actual conspiracies.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
It's everything, though. Like I gave, you know, I'm not, I take a minute to process. And so when you're talking about, oh, you know, what's fake? And I brought up like COVID and something else that everybody already knows.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
right but or at least most people already know but i mean when you look at the elections you know in not just the us you know but let's look elsewhere let's look at romania and what happened there and they just they just yanked this guy just yep you're done marie le pen i mean we were close to interviewing her and in fact i think we were in paris at the same time but we were and um
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And when you see that, it's just like, holy shit, like this is spreading. Or maybe it's not spreading. Maybe it's just always been like this. I don't know. But, you know, so obviously those elections are phony, you know, and the EU is getting involved and France is getting involved and Romania is getting involved. And it's like. holy shit, man, like everything seems to be engineered.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
The guy in Bolsonaro in Brazil, another example, you know, and it's the ministry of truth. I don't even know if that's still a thing, but it's like the what? The ministry of truth? Are you fucking kidding me?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
The 2020 election. I mean, I was kind of skeptical. I was there right in the middle of it. And I thought, well, you know, if there's evidence it was stolen, I'll believe it, of course. But I don't see any evidence or enough evidence to say that conclusively. And then the last five years traveling around, seeing other elections, watching our country more carefully, it's like that was totally fake.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I can say that I think with confidence now. But here's my point. You, who I do think are one of the rare people just like committed to saying what you think is true, committed to remaining independent, right or wrong. Like you don't want to be influenced. You want to reach your own conclusions. And you want to be awake enough to see signs from God. And I admire all of that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
But now you are supposedly part of the conspiracy. Yeah. Because you were a CIA contractor.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So like, what does that mean to be a CIA contractor? How did you get that gig? What did it entail? Are you still in touch with headquarters trying to subvert democracy? No.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I wasn't involved in any of those operations. No, I mean, look, I'm in the road. I left the SEAL teams to start business and failed miserably. What kind of business? I wanted to do funny. I actually read Donald Trump's book in Guantanamo Bay when we were doing some stuff in Haiti back in 2004. And it was his book, How to Get Rich. Wait, you read Donald Trump's book in Guantanamo Bay?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
You're not the best. I saw that in this one, and it really fucking pissed me off.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, in 2004. And I think, no, it was whatever, somewhere around there. And, uh, I read that book and I hadn't, I mean, I was on like a mini deployment where we were in Panama doing some stuff with, uh, the Panamanian special ops guys. Then the Haiti thing popped off that when we yanked Aristide out of there and, um, and, um, And then we were going on the real deployment.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And so before I even really deployed in the SEAL teams, I decided this isn't all it's cracked up to be, at least for me. And so I'm just going to do my time here. What was disappointing about it? There wasn't enough combat.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Really? You wind up on a SEAL team in the middle of two wars and there wasn't enough combat for you?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Okay.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah. I didn't see near as much as a lot of guys. I saw a decent amount. But, you know, I went in to, like, do that job. And I wanted to do it all the time. And I was not doing it all the time. And so I left. But... You've quit a metabolism, but you wind up on the SEAL teams and you're like kind of bored. But it just, it wasn't, it just wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
In which one?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I think that's a big question, right? But I mean, do you know Lindy Lee? No. Have you heard of Lindy Lee? No. She was on the staff and she came on the show to talk about who was running the country. She said it was all the staffers. It was all the millennial staffers that were pretty much running the country and nobody was talking to each other. Everybody had their own agendas and yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
In the Epstein? In this administration. There are people in there that I despise, that I know don't know what the fuck they're doing. Like who? Like Sebastian Gorka.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And, and then I had an opportunity to screen, not saying I would have made it, not saying I wouldn't have, but I had an opportunity. Everybody, I don't mean I had the, everybody gets the opportunity to scream for six, for team six, if they want it. And I just, I was, I was like, well, that's, you know, that's the next level, but it's another five-year commitment if I do it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And what if it's the same shit that I have here with just a bigger budget with more cool toys? And so I decided to, I decided, no, I'm going to, I want to get out and be the next Donald Trump and businessman. And got out, started a small real estate thing, failed horribly. Where was it? St. Louis, Missouri. You went to do real estate in St. Louis? Well, my family's from there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
South Florida wasn't available at the time or something? No. Just went home and, um, just in time for Ferguson. Yeah, it was too. I actually got a great picture of me with Ferguson with a Molotov cocktail, but, uh, as a joke after it happened, but, um, but, uh,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Anyways, and so then my dad and I were going to actually start a Jimmy John's franchise and I didn't grow up with money and we needed some. So I said, hey, I said I would never do this, but overseas contracting is a big thing and it's paying pretty good. So how about if I just do that? I'll get the money that we need to start it and then I'll quit and we'll start that venture.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Wait, you went overseas as a contractor to pay for a Jimmy John's franchise?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, yeah. Amazing. Yeah. And then 2008 hit.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Do you know Jimmy John, by the way?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah. I met him recently. Great guy. I love talking to him. Good dude. Yes. At the Elk Party, I think you met him, actually. Yeah. Yeah. And we've hung out a couple of times. I really like that guy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Did you tell him that you went, you became a military contractor so you could pay for one of his franchises?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
It's hard to believe he works there. So why haven't you caught Seb Gorka fever? Why don't you love Sebastian Gorka?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah. But that didn't happen.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Where did you go? What do you mean? When you first left to do overseas contracts.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So when I first went, I did a – because I didn't understand exactly how contractors – I didn't know the game. Yeah. And so there are different tiers of contracting. And – They have they take your background and there's all these different, you know, there's the DEA contract. There's the ATF contract or not ATF. Excuse me. There's the agency, the NSA, the State Department.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
There's just all there's all kinds of contracts that you can jump on. And I had no idea what I was doing. I thought it was all like one tiered system. And so I threw my name in this kind of recruiting thing and they came back. There was a company called Armor Group and out of UK and they picked me up first and I was like, all right, well, whatever this seems like.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Pretty low level, but they wanted to make me like a guy in charge because of my background. And I was like, all right, fine. I'll go do this. So I went and did the tryout. It was a complete joke. And then got to Afghanistan and they put me at the front gate of the embassy. And I was like... I lasted about a week, and I was like, hey, give me a flight home. I'm out of here.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Well, I'll tell you why. I mean, he blast, we were talking about the Sam Shoemade interview with the Tesla bomber last night, right? And everybody called me, oh, Sean's a fucking CIA shill and he's an operative still and all this other shit. One, I was just a contractor over there. But anyway, that's not the point. He came on, he posted this thing on Twitter.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
This is fucking bullshit. Like, I'm not going to be— You thought you were boarding the SEALs. Yeah. And, well, I mean, then that's where all the V-bids go off to, the car bombs. So I was like, no, I'm not doing this. And one home—
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
and um got into a uh fire academy didn't like it and then a friend called a fire mean to be a fireman yeah to be a firefighter because i really miss the camaraderie and um And then a friend of mine that I served in Afghanistan with called me up and said, hey, there's a contract that Blackwater has, and I think you should try out for it. And I was like, no, I'm not doing it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I just did a quick pump. I hated it. I was with a bunch of guys that don't know what the hell they're doing. Some of these people were like Bank of America security guards. I was like, this is crazy. And he goes, no, he's like, hey, he's like, everybody on this contract has to be from special ops. It's a black contract.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I can't tell you who it's for, but just give me your resume and I'm going to try to get you in. And so I was like, all right, fine. Gave it to him. And then got a call from Blackwater and just told me where I'm when, where to be and what to bring. And it would be, what did they want you to bring?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
It was just, you know, you need these type of clothes, you need this type of equipment, and show up here, go all the way to the back, to the black side, and it'll be a month-long course, if you make it. And so I showed up and did the vetting course.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
At Blackwater?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
At Blackwater. In North Carolina? Yep, and made it. What did you think of the vetting course? It was tough. Really? Yeah, it was tough. Having been through buds, you thought it was tough. It wasn't tough like that. It wasn't like you have to prove. Well, you do have to prove yourself. It wasn't like a they're not yelling at you and screaming and kicking you around and all that kind of shit.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
It is a demonstration of your skills. And if you cannot demonstrate your skills to the highest level, then you go home. What kind of skills? Shooting skills, driving skills, close quarters combat that's entering a room and clearing buildings and rooms and stuff, working with the team. How do you integrate in with all these other special ops guys and everything?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And so there's a lot that goes to it, into it. A lot of, they put you in a lot of extremely stressful situations and you have to handle it flawlessly or you'll be asked to leave. But the shooting qualifications were really tough. Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the shooting qualifications were really tough. And so was the CQB, the close quarters combat.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So, like, one of the exercises, they had this thing called the hooded box drill. And they basically put you in a room like this, and they would tape a square, and you have to stand in the square, and they give you either a rifle or a pistol. And they have, like... fake flashbangs going off, smoke, yelling, screaming, role players, and they put a hood over your head on a string.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
saying with this guy, Ryan McBeth, who did this whole debunking my episode, right? And for whatever reason, he got pissed at me for doing that interview, Gorka, and posts the Ryan McBeth little, I don't know, 10-minute clip that's debunking my interview, right? And Sebastian Gorka posts this thing on Twitter. I'll send you the thing. Maybe you can overlay it on the screen.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So this hood goes over your head. You can't see anything. It's dark. There's strobes. There's all kinds of shit going on. You can hear, like, all these screams and all this stuff going on, and you are not allowed to leave the box. And so... They set up the scenario and they lift the hood over your head and then you have to deal with the scenario.
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So like I think the very first scenario, put the hood over my head and there's all these people in there. I can hear them. and they lift the hood up on the string, and there's a guy closer than from me to you right now with a gun, with a rifle. As soon as the hood goes up, he snaps my head. You're wearing a helmet, but he snaps my head with the muzzle of his rifle. We call it a muzzle snap.
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And or a muzzle strike and it knocks me back. And then there's all these people in there that this guy's armed, this guy's unarmed. There's a female over there with a burqa on and you don't know what's underneath. And you got another guy with a person with a gun in their head. People are shooting at you and you have to deal and process all that information together.
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not killing innocent, not killing unknown, and deal with the situation. And then they call you back to your box, back to the box, and it's very unemotional. They're not like, hey, you could have done this better or why didn't you do that? It's either get the fuck out of here or we're going to run a scenario. And then you come back to the box and they put the hood back over your head and then –
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lift the hood and you're in a totally different scenario and it might be it might be the next scenario they lift up nobody's shooting at you everybody's calm or people are yelling and shit and shooting their guns up in the air and you you have to figure out who's a threat who's an unknown who's an innocent who's a who's a blue helmet which would be um a an asset of ours he obviously can't kill the asset but
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And so they run you through a number of scenarios that are doing that. And a lot of people, you know, fail that. But you did not fail? No. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was challenging. I like to be challenged. And it really, like... It's really hard to put you in an environment that can be as stressful as what combat is.
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And, you know, when you're in combat, I mean, the decision-making has to be on point and very precise. And they did a great job of simulating that kind of stress that you're going to deal with when it's actually for real. And so I thought it was a great drill. What kind of guys were at the training facility? All former SOF.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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So it was all SEALs, SF, Delta, Dev Group, a couple of Rangers, MARSOC, which is Marine Special Ops, Air Force, CCT, Air Force PJs. I think that covers it. So highest level that the U.S. military produces. Yeah. And you had to have that background just to be able to try out for this specific contract. What was the contract? They called it the OGA contract, which was the CIA contract.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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What's OGA stand for? Other Government Agency.
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So you get it. Mm-hmm. So are you still thinking about Jimmy John's at this point or has the box drill just wiped that from your memory?
The Tucker Carlson Show
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No, no, I was still thinking about it. Um, but so, yeah, so then at the end you find out that it is for CIA and, um, you'd already had your, your new clearances done and, um, and, uh, they give you dates, kick out the door. How long was the commitment and where did you go? There's no commitment. At least not that I remember. But first trip was to Kabul, Afghanistan. And you can do kind of.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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I mean, Blackwater, I think, had 60-day minimum deployments. So you could do up to maybe 100-something days. And so some guys go and they do 100-something days. They come home for a week and then they're right back out. And there's guys that do 60 on, 60 off. And so you just kind of come up with your cadence and go. What were you doing for CIA in Kabul?
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And he said something like, oh, he debunks another one. Well, then later on. Ryan McBath does an apology video because the FBI actually came out and said, oh, shit, the email on the on the podcast. They didn't want to name the podcast, of course, but they email on the podcast. We have confirmed as being legit. As soon as they did that, McBath actually came out and did an apology video.
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So when I started this, it was a protective unit. And so like the guys that fought in Benghazi, that's the program that I was in. And so it kind of started off as a protective type detail for actual operatives because there is no – I mean, there is no Jason Bourne over there. That's why they need people like me, because it takes two people to be a Jason Bourne.
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And so we would help case officers plan their operations, plan their meets, stuff like that, conduct and then conduct surveillance, conduct counter surveillance, get them kind of whatever they need.
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and um at the beginning it was and i wasn't really near the beginning i mean i think i started contracting in 2007 so the war had been going on for what about six years and um so towards the beginning i guess but um you know it was real pain in the ass because i mean at the beginning of the war you know you had all these case officers coming in and
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And they're fresh out of school and they don't really understand the environment that they're in. They don't think they need us until they need us. And then they're screaming for us. But a lot of case officers and chiefs of station and deputy chiefs of station, that would be the head guy and head CIA guy in country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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They kind of saw us as a hindrance to their operations until shit started happening like Benghazi Coast. A lot of these tragic events that happened. And then every once in a while, you'd get like a really good... Sorry, so let's backtrack a little more.
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So you get a lot of these, and then you get the old timers that are coming in from the Cold War, and they're used to working in a semi-permissive environment or a permissive environment where they don't need that kind of shit. They can just go and meet their assets and drink their fucking coffee. They were in Vienna in the 70s. Exactly, exactly, those types.
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And then they go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan, you know... all these types of places. And they, they bring that mindset with them and it's like, Hey bud, that shit isn't going to work here. So these people fucking hate you. And, um, but every once in a while you'd get a guy who was a retired green beret or a retired, uh, special operations Marine or a seal or whoever.
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And they would, they would look at the, at the, the program that I was in and they would, they would, uh, they would realize like, these guys are all special ops. Like they have a lot of capability that we're not utilizing them for. And so then things started getting added to the plate. You know, they're like, hey, could you guys do X, Y, or Z? And we're like, oh yeah, we can do all of that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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We just, you guys just don't utilize that capability because I don't think you realize that everybody here is extremely capable. Not mall cops. And yeah. And, uh, so then they started using us for all kinds of stuff. And, um, and, uh, it, it was some places were interesting.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Some place was, were an Xbox tour and, um, meaning you just sit around and work out and play Xbox, but, um, kind of depending where you're at. So what was the most interesting?
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how it all kind of works and some of the meetings that you sit in on and, and, and, you know, from a personal standpoint, I've always been fascinated with how people live in extreme poverty and, and, and to see like, just to see it and experience it and, and, and be a part of it, try to blend into it was fascinating. both a challenge and very fascinating. How long did you do this gig?
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Right around, I think it was a little less than nine years. Nine years? Yeah. Oh, that's a long time. Yeah, yeah. I took a little break. What did you think of the CIA? Once again, same kind of thing that I thought of the SEAL teams. This isn't what it is cracked up to be. Hmm. Like here's an example. First day I get there and I'm just trying to get the lay of the land.
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And I was like, hey, cool. Like, Thank you. Thank you for the apology. So I blasted Gorka on X and said – because what is he in charge of now? I can't remember.
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I don't want to like talk too much shit because there are some very capable people. And like us, like you get in the country, you don't even do anything for the first two weeks. They're like, here's a map. Here's some keys, other keys over there. So you don't burn any of our cars. Take a different one every day.
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and you need to know this entire city, every back road, every road name, every venue, everything, everything about this city, you need to know. And if you don't know it in two weeks, then you're out. And so you pair up with another guy that's never been in country, and you just hit the roads, and you know everything about that city. Kind of dangerous, white guys driving around Kabul.
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Well, yeah, it is. I mean, it is. You don't always dress up like white guys, but, you know, in a place like Kabul or Baghdad, there's diplomats from every country. There are State Department, CIA, NSA, DEA, FBI. in the equivalent of that in every NATO country, right? So there's diplomats everywhere. So sometimes your cover might be your diplomat in State Department.
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And sometimes, depending on where you're at, you might be dressed up in Muslim garb. And I mean, they trick the vehicles out so they look local. And so it's, I mean, you can blend in. You're not going to like, You're not going to blend in, you know, running around the streets. Right. But you'll, at first glance, it'll pass. And so that's what you do.
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You learn everything, everything about the city. I know a lot of these places better than I know my hometown.
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Nine years. So what countries were you working in over that period? I spent the majority of my time in Yemen, Iraq, and Afghanistan. What's Yemen like? It's my favorite place to work.
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He's at the National Security Council. I think he's in charge of scrolling Twitter. I think that was his official –
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Why?
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Because it is the poorest country in the Middle East. And probably the most dangerous. And it was, I just, I loved, I felt like I was doing more there than anywhere else. And it was, you had to take tradecraft extremely seriously. Very tribal country. The North is completely different than the South. And
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You had to learn the cultures of both so that if you're operating in the north that you know how to dress like the northerners do. You have to dress like how the southerners do down in Aden and try to blend in. And it's also like a spy game there. I mean, the Russians were there, the Iranians were there, the Chinese were there.
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And so you're trying to figure out where they're operating out of, what their safe houses look like. Chinese are always super easy to identify because you would just be passing through Yemen and all these mud huts or safe houses or just houses. And, you know, you drive by the Chinese compound every single time they have...
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120 antennas on the roof it's like nice one guys but it would get I mean it's so you're conducting you know normal operations and dealing with terrorists and assets and all that kind of stuff you know for the main initiative but on the other hand you're also having to conduct surveillance and counter surveillance from the Russians from the Chinese from the Iranians any other key players that are in those countries
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And I'm like, oh, this is great. We got a guy that's running counterterrorism for the entire fucking country when the borders have been wide open for four years. We know there's at least a thousand people.
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and have to know who's who and um and and and and they're spying on us and we're spying it's it's it's very complex did you chew got when you were there
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uh no but i bought some but you never tried it nah i never tried it but the whole country is hooked on it right yeah you would you would you would i mean it's yeah you would see these guys and just the whole the whole population and i mean they would just be so zonked out on that you see i'm in a shitty taxi drive with they're not even blinking and flies are landing on their fucking eyes and it's like holy shit man people live like this this is crazy
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And, and yeah, it was, you just never know who you're going to run into over there either. I mean, what do you mean? I mean, I would see, I would like other operators. Like I'd see, I'd see guys that are in safe houses from other units that are over there. And, and I would see like their call sign up on the, on the board. And I'd be like, Is that who I think it is? Oh shit.
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I haven't seen him since like buds when I was in the SEAL team and I'd call over there and be like, Hey, get, get up on the roof. I want to see him. We'd have a phone conversation, looking at each other, waving from rooftop to rooftop. Like what? Go over and meet him. What are you guys getting into the tonight? They'd be running operations and killing bad guys.
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And, and it was just, it was very unique and complex to be able to work there.
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So you probably knew the Houthis existed before the rest of us. Yeah. What do you think of the Houthis?
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I mean, I don't really follow up on it too much these days, but I mean, they took over that damn country in no time. I mean, they yanked the... I can't remember if he was a president or a prime minister or whatever, but... They took the whole country when we were there in like a matter of hours. And so they were really effective and woke up one day and all these new checkpoints are out.
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The guy got yanked out of the palace by the Houthis and on totally different dynamic in less than 24 hours.
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Were you ever afraid when you were there? Yeah, a lot.
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did americans ever get hurt when you were there no interesting you went up in latin america we we we got shot out a lot and car bombs at the gates and like that but not not any heavy casualties no no deaths how'd you wind up in south america Uh, well, when I left, I was, um, very addicted to adrenaline and, um, went down to Columbia.
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terrorists within the country setting up cells and this guy gets his information from an internet troll ryan mcbeth who's already come out and and apologized to me and i'm like oh this is perfect this is where intel is going to come from from counterterrorism a guy that gets his information from if it makes you feel better i mean gorka is not taken seriously by anyone who knows him i think including his wife and um he's a very he's a nice person for whatever it's worth um
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I'd always wanted, when I joined the SEAL teams, I was really, uh, inspired by the Vietnam generation. I just like was infatuated with that stuff as a kid, watched all the documentaries of all the SEALs in Vietnam and, um, and Green Berets, and I just wanted to do jungle warfare. And so the closest I could get to that was running counter-drug operations out of Columbia.
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When I joined the SEAL teams and then, you know, 9-11 happened, so... Definitely wasn't going down there. And so I had broken up with a girlfriend and I was like, you know what? I'm going to go down there and check it out. And so I went down there for a little over a week, loved it, had the time of my life. doing nothing Christian-based. Where? Cartagena is where I started.
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And then went home, had a surgery, and I was sitting at a bar in Cape Coral, Florida, listening to a bunch of lazy, entitled Americans talk about their opinion of the war and all this other shit. I just got so fucking tired of listening to this shit. I'm on...
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on people's opinions that had never been there and never done it and never lost anybody probably had never even faced any type of hardship in their life and they're just judging me and all my friends and i was like you know what i'm out of here man so i put my house on the market and um went back down to cartagena stayed with a friend uh the secret service scandal happened down there remember that yep and uh which kind of like put it on the map um for
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for people to come visit and to go do bad things. And it became like very Americanized. And I was like, I don't want to be anywhere near Americans at all. And so I checked a lot of spots out around Columbia. I went to Cali. I went to Pareda. I went to Medellin and then camped out in Medellin for about four years. Doing what? Doing what? Doing... Living a rock star life.
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And a lot of cocaine, a lot of girls, a lot of... Basically what I was doing was chasing my adrenaline. Because I wanted to feel that all the time. It creates some type of...
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imbalance in your brain when you have that many adrenaline dumps and you it's it's very much like a heroin addiction and um so i went down there and i started doing a lot of shit that i shouldn't be doing buying drugs that became a big rush um buying and sourcing and cocaine and um and so that's how it would get my thrills and uh what were you was that what you're doing for a living
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No, it wasn't for a living, man. It was it was for the rush. And so, you know, I've talked about this on a couple of other podcasts, but, you know, there's a lot of like rumors going around there that I was down there working for CIA, setting up these drug networks when, yes, they do do that. But no, I was by myself on my own program.
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And I've always been fascinated with narcos and kingpins and cartels. It was a major rush for me to go into the worst neighborhoods in Colombia and start setting up networks. Yeah. I mean, it's extremely dangerous for a gringo to be. I would go in neighborhoods where you couldn't get into the neighborhood without going through at least two checkpoints. And so I would go in there.
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And I think his job literally is just to sit on the internet and like send, you know, fiery replies to people on X. I mean, I don't think he actually has a job. Oh, well, then I guess he's the perfect guy for the job. I assume there's someone else working on counterterrorism. The people in charge want you to be weak. It's obvious. Fat, weak, passive. Take your pills. Why do they want this?
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I would hang out. I would talk to people. I would buy drugs, cocaine. I'm bringing it back to my place. Do them all. Then go get more. Go get more.
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What does cocaine cost in Medellin? It's five bucks a gram. So about a 20th of what it costs in the United States.
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Yep. And so what I saw, you know, back to my entrepreneurial branch is, you know, what it was going to be is, you know, you get, I mentioned that, you know, Secret Service kind of put
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sex vacations on the map for which is not technically their job for rich white people to come down there and and take advantage of that and you know down there i mean uh prostitution and these type of things are not looked at like they are here it's an actual legitimate career and um and um so you get these guys that come down and and that's all they want to do
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And they want cocaine, but they're all scared to talk to the Colombians because they think they're all cartel and they're all going to chop your head off. And so what I was going to be was an intermediary. Sort of the maitre d' of Medellin. Like, I'll deal with all these people and I'll get you what you want and you can just talk to me. For a fee? For a fee. Did you do that? No. No.
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Because I got sloppy and I got ran out of there by the Colombian version of the FBI. Did you go to jail down there? No. As soon as I caught wind of it, I left. But I built a network from the ground up. And so just like how I was telling you, I take care of my team right now and I want the best for them. And I treat them with respect and I'm very giving. I was like that down there.
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And so starting with the doorman. I mean, I would live in these penthouses at the top story of the building, wherever I was at.
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and i would make friends with all the guys that were at the door because they control who comes in and out of the building and so if i went to the grocery store they got groceries if i bought cocaine they got cocaine if i went to go get booze they got booze if i went to go get pizza they got a pizza and so i just took care of them all the time because i knew
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It would get to the point where they would watch my ass. Yes. And so I did that and built a great rapport with them. And then, you know, nobody knows town better than taxis. And so I would take taxis and take taxis and try to develop relationship with different taxi guys that were not scared to go into Barrio Antioquia, which is kind of the worst neighborhood down there. And I would have...
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And my girls helped me make decisions and tell me about the different taxi drivers that they used to pick them up from the clubs and stuff like that when they were done working or partying or whatever. And so I developed a really good relationship with a couple of different taxi drivers and they would show me everything I need to know, all the places that people don't want to go.
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And I would get in with them. And then I would get in with the dealers. And then the dealers would introduce me to their mid-dealer. And then they would introduce me to their guy. And the network grew so big that if I went to other countries, they would know who I was. What were you doing for income?
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Well, I made money contracting, and your money goes a lot farther down there than it does in the U.S., so I didn't really need any until I blew it all. But so... Story goes, so that's what I did and got in a lot of really hairy situations where I didn't know if I was going to come out, didn't really care if I did.
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I kind of had the Hunter S. Thompson mindset where if life gets too boring, then I'll just check out. And it was starting to get boring down there. I had OD'd a couple of times. And what's a cocaine OD like? So cocaine OD is, you know, when you, I remember my best friend was down there for a little while with me and, and I would always think, oh shit, I probably did too much. I'm going to die. And
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And he got tired of me being paranoid about it. And he goes, look, he's like, you don't need to worry about ODing on cocaine until things start slowing down. When you're on speed and things get slow, that's when you're really riding the line. And that had happened to me a couple times where it sounded like my voice was in slow motion.
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The people next to me that I was talking to all of a sudden sounded like the Will Ferrell thing where it's like, and I'm like, and you can't talk. You can't get the words out that are in your head. And that's when you know it's about time the lights are going to go out. And they did go out. But... How do you recover from that? Lots of Valium. Yeah, exactly. Lots of Valium, Xanax, stuff like that.
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And... And so, so I developed these, everything got boring to me. So the women got boring. It sounds weird to say that because it's like, you know, but it did. It was like, there's nothing that you could say that I had not done. And that happened. got me to go deeper and go to more dangerous places.
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It doesn't sound weird at all. It sounds absolutely right. There's no satisfaction in that. Of course, it gets boring.
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Yeah. And so then I started looking up the most dangerous places in the world. And I looked up the most dangerous place in the world and it was San Pedro Sula in Honduras. So I went there and started to try to develop a network there just for the rush. What was that like? Got almost arrested on the first night. So it didn't last long. Were there other Americans down there? In Honduras? Yeah.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Not at that time. Which I thrived off that. It made me feel really alive. Like, oh, this is like uncharted territory. Nobody comes here because they're scared to death.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Did your dad ever text you to say, hey, what about the Jimmy Johns franchise we're supposed to be doing?
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Nah, because 2008 happened and so that it got called off at the very beginning of my contract career. and then and um yeah and he went on to do other things and yeah so and i was i was frustrated but the money was really good contracting and so i kind of got like stuck in this loop of like well i'll just go over there make a bunch of money and then do whatever the hell i want to do and um
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, so anyways, so the last thing that got me, and I was talking to my dad, too. I knew I had a problem, and I'm really close with my parents. My dad's my hero, and I would call them all fucked up on Coke or Valium or Xanax or whatever.
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hydrocodone or oxy or whatever and I was always part drunk and I would allude to my dad like I gotta get the hell out of here I'm gonna die and I wouldn't remember a lot of these conversations I'd be totally blacked out And, um, he was trying to get me to go get some help.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And, uh, I lied to him, told him I was talking to this Vietnam guy about my experiences and I was, but that guy was a total mess too. And, um, he was there for the same reason. Yeah, exactly. No, this wasn't in Columbia. This was actually in Fort Lauderdale and, um, same difference. Yeah. And, um, And I had, there's this place called, what was it called?
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Pointe de los Locos or something, which is Bridge of the Crazies. And so it's like all these, like, look like L.A. Lots of tents under an overpass. And crazy drug addicts who have no direction in life, who are dirt poor. And had a bunch of girls with me and I went to that bridge and it stacked up a ton of cash and money.
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I mean, pretty much like all the stuff that we already knew, but she just came on to confirm it and then switch sides.
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Thought it would be a great idea to throw all the cash up and just watch these people go to town to try to get it. And very, very dangerous part of Medellin. And came back.
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to my building, walked through, and the doorman came up and told me that the national police had come to question him about me and wanted my passport and all this shit, and wanted to know who I was, where I came from, what I'm doing. All of that stuff. And I was pissed. I was like, man, and the guy's name was Freddie and I'm talking to him in Spanish and I'm like, man, I always take care of you.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I can't believe you would, you would try to suck more money out of me. on this bullshit story. And, um, he's like, no, he was trying to tell me that they had bugged the light outside my door and which I couldn't understand. My Spanish wasn't that good, but eventually I got what he was saying. And, um, I was like, this is complete bullshit. There's no way.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And he showed me, he said, they have a picture of you at the bridge throwing money in the air. And I had just come from there. And so at that point, I knew that he wasn't lying. I was like, okay. Literally nobody knows that I did that because it was like 45 minutes ago.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And the only people that would know is my taxi guy and the girls that were with me and the crazies that were living under the bridge. And so he had said that they had set up a observation, basically an observation point at the building across from me and were watching me from that apartment. So I went up and identified it where it was.
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Flushed all the coke and went back into my previous life on surveillance and counter surveillance. And I did a a counter surveillance route to a couple of different Internet cafes, bought a couple of tickets to different places outside of the country and hauled us to the airport. Got got out of there and never went back that day. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Was decisive. Yeah, yeah. It's your hooded box training. Yeah, yeah. So that's how that ended. How long between that moment and the beginning of your podcast? Not long. Oh, the podcast.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So it, that wasn't that long ago. Yeah. You were leading a life that bears no resemblance at all to the life you're leading right now.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Like at all.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah. It took, it took a lot of work, you know, and, um, it took a lot of work to, to clean myself up and, and find a productive direction to start running. And, and, um, and once, once I discovered business, um, that became my new addiction.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
What do you make of the claim that you're still working for CIA?
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I think it's... I mean, whatever. People are going to think what they think, but people don't understand how it works over there. And so... I mean, there's a part of me that understands it. I'm like, all right. Like, I didn't really come out of nowhere. You know what I mean? I mean, a lot of people say like, oh, this guy just pops on the map and like fucking gets ginormous.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And it's like, you didn't see all the back end work that it took to get here.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
and i started this in my attic as a one-man team and then taught my wife how to film and it was me and her and we only did nine interviews for the first year and a half because i was editing sound video cutting previews doing social media packages doing distribution doing the research interviewing you know all of that stuff and um
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So, I mean, I think it's, you know, what really pisses me off is when somebody that I am paying attention to because they're bringing things out that... I'm into, they're going down rabbit holes and conspiracy stuff that a lot of time winds up to be true. But then, and I think we're all on the same team, and then I'll see him throw something out like, Sean Ryan's a CIA shill.
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And it's like, dude, I just, I was like totally fucking bought in on what you're bringing to the table and all of your research. It was like... Really good stuff. And I thought it was trustworthy. But when you throw something like that out there, you've just discredited yourself to me because you have no fucking proof because I'm not one.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And now I don't believe anything that you say, because if you're just going to loose lip, throw shit out there like that, then what else are you fucking throwing out that you have not verified?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I've had some more experiences. Yeah. I do think that people are paranoid because... It is true that the CIA operates against the Constitution, against the law in the United States. And it does try and shape news coverage. Like, that's a fact.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah. No, I mean, I'm... I know that that happens and happens all the time. But at the same time, if you've listened to me, I've been extremely hard on CIA. And I've talked about things that...
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they have done that make me very paranoid uh after the interview like we i can't remember if we discussed that an hour ago or if that was last night at dinner but i mean uh i there it it that that that happens and all the time all over the world but But nobody is ever able to pinpoint exactly why they think that. They just throw it out. Of course.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
It really grew traction after I interviewed the founder of Palantir. Because, I mean, people think that's a big war machine and a... losing my train of thought here the military industrial complex type company and but I mean guess what buddy like we need innovators and we have to innovate we can't just be doing the same old shit and
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I want to know how we're innovating our military capabilities and our intelligence capabilities. And that's a big part of it. And to be honest with you, it gives me comfort knowing that we are still innovating as much red tape as we have to deal with. And I think that that's what gives me a glimmer of hope when we're talking about global domination and China and all that kind of stuff.
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But people don't even – I don't know why Palantir has such a bad rap. Maybe you know something that I don't. But, I mean, to me, that was fucking genius. It speeds up the decision-making process. It speeds up the intelligence gathering. We're able to access information at lightning speed to be ahead of whoever our adversary is.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I mean, people are mad at Palantir because they disagree with U.S. foreign policy. I think that's kind of the main – From what I can tell, I'm hardly an expert on the subject. But I think that it's – I mean, not to be a conspiracy nut, but your public performance over the past five and a half years has – you know, been run counter to the aims of the CIA, I would say. I mean, it has.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And so to tell people that you yourself are working for the CIA secretly is a way to discredit you. Yeah. That if I were the CIA, I would be encouraging.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I guess that's what I'm saying.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah, that's a good point. That is a good point. I mean, I'm very hostile to the CIA. I've said that many, many times. It doesn't stop people from claiming that I secretly work there.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Yeah.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So, and I've always thought that maybe that was...
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
I mean, I've challenged people, too, because I think about it. I mean, it would be impossible. You know, I mean, they might... They might have somebody in operative do a five-hour interview, and they might say, hey, this is all we need you to get in that interview. It's this one fucking sentence. And...
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
So the whole other five hours could be complete bullshit, except for the one little thing that they want injected into that interview to create some type of a narrative. And I'm always trying to look out for that, but it would be impossible. It would be impossible to figure out what exactly that is if that operative is good. And they'll do other things like
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They may do other things like, hey, we know that this happened. You're going to go to this show and you're going to talk about this. And then two weeks from now, that's going to come out in the media or we'll wait until the interviewer releases that specific episode. And then two weeks after, we're going to release this to the press. And then they're going to say, this was said on this show.
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By this person before it ever came out of the media. And then when it comes out in the media, because everybody hates the media, but they still fucking watch it all the time. That builds credibility to the operative. You know what I mean? And then they go on. Oh, I know what you mean. Okay. You're tracking.
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So I'm watching it all around me. Do you feel that? Have you ever had a guest where you thought, huh? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. That this person might be acting on behalf of an intel agency.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Mm-hmm. About a couple of them. Any confirmation on that? No. You know, gut instinct. I don't want to name a bunch of names because if they're not, I don't want to... Of course. But I just did a really good interview with this guy, Blarem Skoro, who was an asset.
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He got recruited out of prison, and then he got recruited in prison by the CIA right after 9-11 to make friends with all of the Muslim Brotherhood, all the terrorists that were in there. And so he built a network in there. And then when he got out of prison— And so he would report back to the agency about like, hey, this is what this guy has done. This is what he's a part of.
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These are the people he talks to because they all trusted him because this guy basically became like the head mullah of the prison system. And when he got out. Agency gets back in touch with him and said, hey, you're going to use this network and you're going to your your your cover is going to be you're building a Al Qaeda cell in Macedonia.
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And so he would set up shop in Macedonia and he would go into Pakistan and go into Afghanistan and Syria, Iraq, Iran, all these, Russia, all these places. And he would meet with the head, the head of the Haqqani network, the head of the Taliban, the head of Al-Qaeda, like very, he didn't meet specifically with bin Laden, but he's like one step away. And so dangerous job. No kidding, man.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
That's the real Jason Bourne shit right there. And what he would do is say, hey, you know, I'm recruiting because I'm setting up a terrorist cell in Macedonia. And then they would give him all of these weapons. They'd give him bombs, rocket launchers, guns, mines, you name it.
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And then basically what he would do is tell him that that shipment is, he would take care of logistics and to get that to Macedonia. But what he would really do is get it to the agency and then supposedly they would destroy it. What do you say? Supposedly they would destroy it. Well, who knows? You know, I don't know. But because I don't trust him. But the so then he has an assassination attempt.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
See how he cuts him. He gets pissed off. He's still pissed off, rightly so. At the same time, I'm like, how do you think this works, man? I'm like, you got burned. They don't use burned assets. Like, you're irrelevant at this point. And then he started telling me about getting uranium out of Russia. And so we kind of had this discussion.
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And, you know, Russia is a big, obviously a big topic of discussion. Some people think we should be in Ukraine. Some people don't. And some people think Russia is our ally. Some people don't. And I'm kind of like, this isn't really our war. Why are we involved? But I said, well, what are they going to do with these? And he said that they wanted to get them into the U.S.
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and it would blow, it would kill half a million people. And I asked him if he thought I'd done that. And but it didn't really fit in the interview. It didn't fit. You know what I mean? Did not fit in the interview.
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Do I know what you mean? Yes. In fact, I was just thinking that as you were speaking.
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Like we're talking about all these other things.
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I don't trust this for a second.
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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
And then all of a sudden we get to Russia. And so I just called him right there on the interview. I was like, you know what goes through my mind? I said, when's the last time you had contact with CIA? It was exactly what I was just thinking. And he said January 16th or something in 2022. Like knew the exact date and got really flustered.
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And I mean, I would probably be flustered too if somebody just said that and I wasn't. But I said, you know, what goes through my head is what if somebody contacted you knowing you were coming on the show to say that you were getting uranium to Al Qaeda to sneak into our country to blow us up? A lot of a lot of people want to see us go to war with Russia.
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Did he tell you that Iran was trying to assassinate Donald Trump too? No. That's my favorite. No.
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Yeah. Okay. But... But I called him on it because it didn't fit in the interview. And it was almost like, shit, I lost my opportunity to insert this into the interview. So now I got to swing for the fence and just drop it. And it just immediately clicked in my brain. And then I got paranoid again. I'm like, Jeremy, sorry, buddy, you got to fucking switch your phone out.
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Like, you've been texting with this guy who knows what came in. And... And but I mean, you never really know it's going to be a gut instinct, you know, and so but I wanted to say that out loud because if they're watching and they probably are, then they know that I know that I'm a target.
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So I'm a little bit shocked. I sort of knew the rough outlines of your life, but I didn't realize like 20 minutes ago you were living in Columbia and then you were on the road. I mean, this just happened not 20 years ago, like seven years ago. Yeah. So that's got to be one of the hardest pivots, one of the most profound transformations I've ever seen.
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But, I mean, that's like the opposite of democracy, right? I mean... Yeah. I guess I vacillate between not being shocked at all. I mean, of course. I mean, he was visibly demented. So why should we be surprised that he also... Hey, by the way, he has terminal bone cancer. But on the other hand, it's like that is so not the system that we signed up for and that we participate in.
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I don't really kind of know anyone who's come this far in a separate direction in such a short period of time. You're not even 50. Where do you think it goes from here?
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Who knows, man? I do want to say something, though. You know, I think a lot of people think that kind of shit that I was doing down in Columbia is cool and it's adventurous. And yeah, there was a lot of adrenaline and it was a good time. It was definitely adventurous.
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Good or bad. I think we can say that was adventurous.
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But, you know, it was a, I mean, who knows where I would be if I didn't do that. And I would have started this earlier, you know, and it's just no way to live. And everybody that you think is your friend is fake. And everybody just wants to take advantage of you.
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And once you get through the initial phase of, oh, man, this is like the coolest life, it's the loneliest fucking life that you can lead. Yeah.
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and um and almost died because of it and several times and and um you know how would it have turned up if i would have od'd in one of those penthouses and my parents who i love so much and finds out oh yeah there's our son the navy seal cia contractor decomposing in a fucking penthouse in columbia because he od'd on cocaine and That scenario went through my head a lot of times.
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And so I just, you know, I just, I don't want to encourage anybody to do that. That was a low point in my life and something I'm not proud of.
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You've been a, I would say, pretty vocal advocate for sobriety. Yeah. In this job. How many guys who work for you are sober?
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Almost the majority of the team. I think there's two guys that drink. Do you think sobriety is going to catch on as a way to live? Absolutely. I think it's already catching on. There's a huge wave. It's like the new thing to do, it seems like.
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Truly sober, just like not using pills, alcohol. Yeah. Do you think we're in the middle of some kind of Christian revival?
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absolutely a hundred percent i mean have you seen have you seen the baptism parties that are going on at colleges that look like it looks like it's a kegger crazy tailgate party and they're baptizing people in the back of the back of trucks and yeah i think there's a huge wave going on i think so too it's cool to see do you think the u.s government can continue
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Continue what? To exist. You think the current system can continue?
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I think it will continue.
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You do? Because it does feel like we're moving towards something. like a one world government? I'm not sure what, I'm not sure what, but it seems like so much changed in a short period of time. The scales falling for so many people realizing that, you know, what they believed was real is not. Questions people are asking the resurgence of Christianity in the country.
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I mean, it all seems to be happening at once. And I know, you know, in every age people think the end is near, but Does that ever occur to you?
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I think it will continue to exist until people no longer have the appetite for it to exist.
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You think we're pretty far from that? Yeah. Goes back to critical thinking. Yeah, maybe that's right. Last question because I can't resist. I know you spent a lot of your time talking about this, but having fired every firearm, been trained on every firearm, what are your favorite firearms?
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Favorite firearms? Yeah. I like lever actions. Come on. You're... I do too. They're my favorite, but like... I mean, I'm tired of all the tactical black gun shit. I mean, that was my life for 14 years, you know? But I have a lot of them.
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But I don't get excited about them. I get excited about lever actions. Now, if you're going to ask me, you know, shit hits the fan, what am I going to? It definitely isn't going to be my lever action. It's going to be my AR because... I know that like the back of my hand, and it's a tool that I'm really good with.
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But when you shoot for fun, with just open sights?
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Yeah, open sights. You know what I really like is, I don't even know what it's called, but it's a revolver, but it's the, you know, you lift the little thing up and you have to load it one by one. Yeah, like the 12-shot .22s, the cowboy guns? Yeah, I got a .45 Long Colt one. Is it just single action? Yeah, dude, I love it. I can't hit a damn thing with it.
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And it's got the pin that you push the holes out with? Yes, I love that thing.
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So for people who missed it, which would include pretty much nobody since it was the biggest story for sure that week, the guy who blew up his Tesla with himself inside outside Trump tower. Um, you got his manifesto. Can you just give us a refresher on what that said?
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I knew I liked you. .357 revolved. Same ammo, sidearm and long gun. That's my favorite pair.
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I could see beneath the... Beneath the fame, I knew that you were the kind of man who preferred 357. I love it. A straight wall cartridge, amen. Sean Ryan, thank you very much. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. It's an honor being here. You're one of the people, and this is not true for everybody, but every time I see some marker of your, like, continued success, I am thrilled.
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I'm thrilled by it, and I mean that. Well, that means a hell of a lot coming from you. I'm not joking at all. I thought... And part of it is just like my narcissism because I saw you because my nephew sent me a clip from you and I was like, that guy's really talented. I like knew instantly, I knew you'd be successful.
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And the fact that you had no background whatsoever, I didn't quite realize how far you were back. You did not go to the Columbia School of Broadcasting. But your natural ability to, to interview people and to listen to them and to empathize with them, it just came right off the screen. I was like, that guy's going to be a star. And you have been. And I just find it thrilling. Thank you, Todd.
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Thank you. It means a lot. Thank you.
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And congratulations on all your success as well.
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Yeah. So a little rusty on it, but, um, in the manifesto, he, he had basically sent this guy, Sam shoemade, who is an army Intel guy, uh, A manifesto and so that he wanted to come on the Sean Ryan show podcast to talk about all these things. And then he goes into this was right about the time that the New Jersey drone situation was going on that nobody. You know, could tell us what that was.
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And he had mentioned that. We have some type of anti-gravitic propulsion systems that had not been declassified and that China has something similar, and this would cause World War III. And then there's another paragraph that talks about there was a major offensive in Afghanistan several years ago where they basically wiped out a heroin plant. And... Used a lot of air power to do it.
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to introduce someone who I consider one of the smartest people I know and whose understanding of the world is matched only by his ability to synthesize huge themes and illustrate them with precise detail. Someone who's traveled the world for 40 years, a man who not only writes about leaders of the world, but knows them personally, Professor Jeffrey Sachs.
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Is there even a culture in our foreign policy establishment of having rational conversations to the point where we can solve problems like this?
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
Yeah. And a toughness. So you heard his analysis, I think, of where we are with the war in Ukraine, election of Trump on the basis in part of his promise to to try to end this if he can.
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Let me ask a question, though, like a kind of thematic, fundamental question. So a great empire, one of it, you know, empires tend to be arrogant. I do think that's a feature of empires. That is it. But an enduring empire... So stability. Its goal is stability. Because it understands exactly what you said, I thought, so nicely. It doesn't help you if your neighbors are in chaos.
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It doesn't help you. It's against your own interests. So that's such an obvious insight. The Roman Empire was based on it. The British Empire was based on it. Ours is the only empire I'm aware of That has kind of intentionally sowed chaos. And I don't understand where that thinking comes from. Leaving aside the moral questions, is it right or wrong? It doesn't work for you. So why have we done it?
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
What are the chances that some, you said, unless the deep state does something, some crazy thing happens? I would note that for a good part of the presidential campaign, the deep state was telling the candidate, Donald Trump, that the state of Iran is trying to kill you, which as far as I know is totally untrue, by the way.
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But they were telling him that in order to prepare him to attack Iran, which they're still trying to do. So we know that this kind of deception is just a feature of it. How hard will people invested in the Ukraine war... Go. To what lengths will they go to continue this, do you think?
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But you missed the countryside. I mean, that is part of it, though. That's it. Not a lot of incentive to stop in New Jersey, and now they're giving you one.
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And you wouldn't have been in Passaic otherwise. Exactly. So lucky you. You count your blessings, right? So the whole point of market capitalism is consumer choice. You have a choice between products and services. And the competition between companies makes the goods and services better. That's the core idea. Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of monopolies out there.
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Monopolies are not good for consumers. They are not good for you. And one of the places where there's effectively a monopoly is in wireless contracts. But it's not a complete monopoly. You're probably paying way too much to use your cell phone. But now you have a choice. You don't have to pay $100 a month just to get a free phone. That's not a good deal.
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I don't think anybody agrees with everything of anyone else's program. But clearly, this is a massive departure from what we had much more than I thought. I feel like I watch pretty closely. I'm amazed by the ambition of what they're doing. And it does feel like the only way to stop this is. Tulsi Gabbard just confirmed yesterday as the Director of National Intelligence. That's a very big deal.
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It's unbelievable. It's a very big deal. Tulsi Gabbard's writing the President's Daily Brief. Tulsi Gabbard is in charge of a lot of declassification efforts. Like, the whole thing is unbelievable. The only way to stop this is with a war. I mean, that's my kind of simple reading of it. Do you agree with that?
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
I think and I'd love your view of this. I think of all the amazing things I've seen in the last three and a half weeks, maybe the most amazing is the emergence of Steve Witkoff. I will say I know personally and like enormously, but he was a real estate guy. All of a sudden, Trump appoints him an envoy sort of over and above massive stable diplomats.
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
We have professional diplomats at the State Department. to go do, you know, effect a ceasefire here in this region, and then sends him over to Russia, and he winds up meeting with Putin, apparently, for several hours. And then all this stuff happens. You've been around diplomats your entire life. You've functioned as a diplomat. What do you think of that?
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Well, what does it tell you that Steve Witkoff, who I will say, again, I'm biased because I really like him, he's got a great personality, super energetic, very straightforward, believable. but zero training in any of this. He's a real estate guy. And he pulls this off? What does that tell you about a professional diplomatic corps?
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
Exactly. Seven, eight years ago. Exactly. So I guess the question is the opposition you've alluded to the deep state, but there's also the out in the open state.
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You know, the Congress, for example, the other party, the Democratic Party, does Trump's success, not just in the election, winning the popular vote, but in affecting peace, which is actually popular with people, does that change their views on foreign policy? Does he bring people with him or does he stand alone between the two parties as he did in the first time?
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
Professor Jeffrey Sachs, thank you very much. Great to be with you. Thanks. Thank you. That was great. Thanks. So in September, we went across the country, coast to coast, 17 different cities on a nationwide live tour. And it was amazing. We brought the entire staff with us like we always do because we all work together for so long and enjoy traveling together.
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And one of our producers is a documentary filmmaker. And so he decided to make a documentary film about our trip, a full month across America with some of the most interesting people around. Different people join us every single night. Bon Gino and Russell Brand and Bobby Kennedy and J.D. Vance and Donald Trump, et cetera, et cetera. We had the best time.
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And the fruit of that is a documentary called On the Road, the Tucker Carlson Live Tour, which is available right now on TCN. On the Road, Tucker Carlson Live Tour is hilarious. You will like it.
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Jeffrey Sachs: Tulsi Gabbard’s Confirmation, and the Dangerous Global Chess Game Trump Is Winning
Thank you very much, Jeff. Thank you. So how long, you were telling me backstage, I didn't realize this, for those who enjoyed Prime Minister Orban, I'm one of them. Tell us when you first met the Prime Minister.
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Very impressive now. So you said that you saw in him and it's not just about him, but it's about what are the markers of enduring leadership? What makes this politician impressive while most of them are not impressive? What did you see in him? What do you see in leaders like him who have been successful?
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I think one of the reasons we wound up in this position, we meaning the United States but also Europe, is there's a habit of speech which reflects a habit of mind, which is an unwillingness to engage with ideas and instead resort immediately to attacking the other person on the basis of motive. And you saw this with Orban.
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You're a Russian stooge or whatever and was especially hilarious, as he explained. No, he's the opposite of a Russian stooge. Of course, lifelong. This country was occupied by the Russians. But you do see it also in the United States, and it makes it kind of impossible to have a rational conversation about any – I know you've been the butt of this, too, not whining about it, but it's like – Yeah.
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So I guess the first question is, thank you for doing this. Are we rolling? We're rolling. Okay. Let's roll, shall we? Good to be with you, Tucker.
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I mean, I've been to every big white country in the last year, Australia, Canada, UK, US, obviously, and that very specific brand of self-hatred, nihilism, that brain disease is...
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everywhere it's not just here it's it's throughout the anglosphere yeah what what and it's history changing and its effects like what is that why is the white world determined to kill itself do you have any idea it's really noticeable yeah i mean there's so much in that i mean it seems like there's like multiple levels i mean at one superficial level or at least a kind of psychological sociological level they're all competing with each other to show who's a better person
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Like destroying your own kids is like the measure of virtue.
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It's aimed. So it is a, I mean, leaving aside the fact that it's false, but, you know, a lot of creation myths are false. But this one is false in a specific way, which is like, you suck and you should die. And all the way, it's like, yeah, you're right, I should. Right.
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That's it. I've never seen anything like it.
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So we were in a meeting here at TCN the other day and I looked around the room and every other person had a kind of ruddy vitality, sort of pink cheeks, alertness, bright eyes, full mental acuity and a cheerfulness you could almost smell. And I asked, why does everyone look so good? And part of the answer, of course, is they like what we do for a living. It's really interesting.
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You alluded a minute ago to its cause being affluence. Just generational affluence makes people— Seems like it. It feels that way to me, too. I'm not an expert.
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Pardon my ignorance. First of all, I didn't see that news when it happened. But I didn't know that, so it was really clear to the people who run the city and the state that you had this combination of dry conditions and heavy winds, high winds.
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I mean, that is clearly... Is there evidence? Do we have social science that shows that lesbians are better firemen than non-lesbians?
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
They also rejected gay marriage, but they're not allowed to get what they want, actually, it turns out, because— whatever you think of gay marriage or racial preferences or whatever, if you believe in democracy and you have a referendum system, you have to abide by the results.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
That's what egalitarianism is. It doesn't matter who your family was. We used to say when I was a kid, no one in California used his last name. Now, why would that be? You know, you go back east, as we called it. We'd go in the summertime. We'd be like, hi, I'm Michael Schellberger. Right. In California, it's like, I'm Mike.
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Well, my father would always say, that's because in California, it's not about the legacy of your family. It's not about caste. It's about you. Can you do it or not? Right.
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You're not held responsible for the sins of people you're related to. And, you know, I come from a complicated family, so I always love that idea. You're judged on you and the choices that you make and the character that you have.
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That's what I always thought.
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And everyone living under the crushing burden of history is Most of it misconstrued in a lie anyway, but still the idea that the past is determining the present and the future, that's like the least Californian, least American idea ever.
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Why do homeless people start fires?
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I saw that video. And my first thought was that can't be. Was that real? I know. It looks like a parody.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Or your daughter gets raped walking to school.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
I mean, you should be able to look attractive and not get raped. Of course. You should be allowed to be old and immobile and not die in a fire. Right. What are we even saying? That's civilization. It's civilization.
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Yeah.
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Exactly. Yeah. What's the point of civilization? The point of civilization is to protect the vulnerable. Right. To make it possible for people to reproduce themselves. And continue. Right. Make it possible for you to have kids and your kids to have kids. There's no reason to have it other than that. At the most basic level. Yes.
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And so I don't understand, like, how could she say something like that and not get fired or arrested?
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
The future of the whites and all this stuff, which I'm grateful that you addressed. But just back to the, and I'm sorry for digressing so much, back to the first question, how did this start? You gave a great explanation. Did climate change play a role? Was this caused by climate change?
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
They could be cooking fires. But starting fires to destroy things. Yeah, oh, for sure. Oh, yeah, for sure. But it's not evil or anything.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
It's crazy. Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Well, it is. I mean, anyone who's lived there can tell you that's its appeal.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
It is a pretty stable climate, actually.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
But isn't classically starting fires and torturing animals, aren't those like signs of sociopathic behavior?
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
So it's just an MSNBC agenda. It's just a silly, rich, white, liberal agenda. And I will say I've thought for 20 years that California will only be saved by like Naeem Bukele type figure. Some authoritarian Latino in a cape is going to show up and just impose order on the state. And I'm not, I'm not being, I am white. I'm not against whites. I love whites. My children are white.
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But the fact is they can't do it in that state. Gavin Newsom can't do it. The burden of guilt and self-hatred is too heavy. And you're going to get some guy from Oaxaca who's smart is going to be like, we're not putting up any of this bullshit at all. And no, you can't camp in LA. No, you can't do meth in LA. And yes, we are going to have like full reservoir. I mean, do you know what I mean?
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It's really vapid, so... It's not good to have people kiss your ass your whole life and tell you... I mean, that is just bad. If it ever... When it happens to me, it's bad for me. It's bad for anybody. And if some people are always being like, you've got black girl magic, like after a while... No, I'm serious, because there is no black girl magic. There's no white man magic.
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It's all bullshit, actually. But if you start to believe it, having people kiss your ass, having had many people kiss my ass, I know corrodes your soul and makes you into a bad leader. And I really think that's part of it. We're seeing it not just in L.A., but like the black girl magic thing has been bad for a lot of people. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. As the white man magic would be, too.
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It's like famous for fires.
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Only in L.A. L.A. has always had.
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Fires, at least half of fires in LA County are started by homeless people. And you believe that's driven by their use of a specific drug meth.
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The only reason I feel like I have any understanding of what homelessness is is because the interviews that you did several years ago, which are the most unbelievable. I'd never heard of you before I saw these interviews. And you did, and I would recommend to our listeners to go find them because they're on YouTube now. You did the thing that nobody, I've never seen anybody do it before.
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Others have followed since you did it, but you just went and you interviewed the homeless and like, what are you doing here? Tell me your story. And they were remarkably honest.
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Well, it is amazing.
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I mean, it seems about as obvious as it could be.
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But why did it – I know I've asked you this before, but why did it fall to you to do that? Well, it's because – well, we know why.
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It's so true. Well, they're the Praetorian Guard for the powerful, of course. Yeah, yeah. So, but one of the things I learned from your interviews with the homeless, which I just cannot recommend strongly enough as a primary source of information, actual information. is the degree to which the narcotics fuel homelessness. So you can't really disaggregate homelessness from drug addiction.
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I have a really close friend who's lived that same trajectory. I have a couple of friends, but I have a legit close friend. I was totally out of control on drugs and lost kids and all the things that happen when you're addicted and got sober in prison and rebuilt a life, a wonderful life. Yes, but yeah.
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They have an equanimity about them. I go to AA meetings when I can, not because I'm in danger of partying again. I'm not after 22 years, but because I like the people. Because they're so honest. And they're honest about the one thing no one's ever honest about, which is themselves. It's super easy to be honest about you. I don't like your sweater, Mike. That's disgusting. Like, that's not hard.
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You've gained weight. That's not hard. Yeah. I've gained weight. I'm wearing an ugly sweater. Those are hard.
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So that's a feature for people who aren't aware of the geography of L.A. Oh, it's just incredible.
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And you find among those people, the recovered people, like a true honesty about themselves.
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No, so that's the- But to deprive people of that and to encourage them to continue to use drugs and alcohol is like, I mean, don't even, whatever, it's an interview of you, not me, but I just feel like sobriety has to be the goal, not just for the individual, but for the society. I really believe that.
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So sobriety is the greatest gift, A. B, use of drugs and alcohol causes mental illness, which nobody ever says out loud. I've seen it. to some extent experienced it, I know you can cause severe mental illness. Sure. By using drugs and alcohol. Like, right. Is that even controversial? It shouldn't be. No, that's right.
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But what's interesting is so in, you know, traditional Christianity and other religions, you know, the guilty person repents, atones, Don's ashes, sackcloth and covers himself in ashes as a way of saying, you know, I am worthy of the degradation. Yes. But we've kind of transferred that. It's almost like the homeless are in sackcloth and ashes.
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And they're not censored, of course, because we're not gatekeepers. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at TuckerCarlson.com. Here's the episode. So where do these fires, first of all, how many fires are there and where do they come from?
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Like I live in the Palisades, I produce Music videos, I'm doing pretty well, but I still feel guilt. But, like, seeing somebody, like, you know, writhing on the sidewalk, I'm, like, displacing my atonement on him.
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You. Right. Yeah. Like confess your sin. You don't like put it off on some junkie.
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I don't know. I'm not a particularly compassionate or kind person. I'm kind of a dick, actually. But even I, whenever I see that, I feel such deep sadness for the person. It's heartbreaking. Of course. If that was my child, would I allow it? Not for one second. I would take that child and chain him to the fucking radiator until he got better. I would not allow that. My child.
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So, OK, so there are in L.A. County, 78. How many fire departments?
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There's nothing, man.
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You're the public defender.
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But when you say there's a... I feel like you're on something super important. If you could flesh it out, you say there's a physicalism to your worldview. Contrast that with the worldview currently in power.
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You know, there's just a... Yeah, so it's... When we first had kids, I remember my wife being... And I had much lower standards, but insistent on the house being clean and orderly. And I remember saying, like, it doesn't... You know, the point of having kids is to instill values in them. She goes, yeah, but one of the values is, like, order and cleanliness. And, like, they will feel...
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like things are out of control if the house isn't clean and orderly. And she's really insistent on that. And we've lived that way our whole lives. And it's a version of what you're saying. It's like, you can tell your kids about honesty and decency and compassion and high achievement or whatever, but like someone has to make the bed and vacuum the floor.
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And if there's dog shit in the kitchen, like it has to be cleaned up. Like that's, she understood that and has imposed it to great effect, I would say.
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You talk too much to the kids.
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You just said you're a physicalist. I want that to become an intercom in usage because I think that is like really, really important.
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Well, she was canceled. I know. I discovered she was canceled. I love Hannah Arendt, but I didn't realize, just like Freud – who was also a huge figure in my childhood. Everyone talked about Freud, alluded to Freud. And then he just kind of disappeared one day. And Hannah Arendt, same thing. Oh, yeah. Totally canceled, but it's brilliant.
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Well, it's the biggest lie because, I mean, it ignores the very obvious symbiosis. It's just, it's not possible for them to exist apart and it's not possible to continue the species. It's like so dumb that they need each other that actually power is exerted in very subtle but powerful ways. within a relationship between a man and a woman that are not at all described or even acknowledged, right?
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Well, it is working. And I always thought on the environmental movement, there was a woman called Julia Butterfly Hill who spent more than a year in Redwood. And, you know, I always thought, you know, if you were sincere about environmentalism, like she would be like, whatever happened to her, nobody knows. And that was to your point about physicalism.
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Like, I like redwoods and like, if there's a reason to cut them out, okay, but like, maybe don't because they're just so beautiful. That's my personal view. I always have felt that way. So, like, here was someone who was—she saved a tree. That's got to be the highest level of what they claim they're trying to do, but they totally ignored her. They don't give a shit about her at all.
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She died in a tree. Probably better for them. What they really wanted to do was disconnect people from nature. It was the opposite. Right. So why is it that every single person I know who really spends a lot of time outdoors, who's into— you know, the sporting life or whatever, lives in a rural area, man, their goals are the opposite of those of the Environmental Defense Fund in the Sierra Club.
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So what, speaking of the laws not being enforced, tell us what you know about looting.
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How could they let – you're stealing from people in the middle of a profound disaster. The city's burning down and you're stealing. People are dying and you're stealing. Aren't you, you're like a true villain.
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So if you're Gavin Newsom or Karen Bass, like you're all in on the climate change explanation. Right. That's that's all you've got at this point.
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But New Orleans has... That just accelerated the decline of the city.
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I mean, it's... I was there for Katrina. I covered that. And I thought at the time... I guess it was 20 years ago, incredibly, 2005. I thought, well, you know, it's obviously tragic, but Bush is sending over a billion dollars to rebuild it. I'm sure the city will be better, and it's been much worse ever since.
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But L.A. is not New Orleans. It's our second biggest city. It's, in a lot of ways, the greatest city we've ever built, in my opinion. And, like, so what happens to it now?
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Yeah.
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So, where does... I mean... And it couldn't have happened to a worse group of people. I spent my whole life among them. I can tell you that's absolutely true. And they're... You know, they're terrified. I was watching John Karl on CBS, who I've known. Someone sent me a clip this morning. John Karl, I've known him for over 30 years. Nice guy, you know, reasonable guy.
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And then Trump comes, the business starts to collapse, and he realizes, I'm speaking for him, but he realizes, oh shit, you know, I'm a middle-aged white guy. I better go along. And he becomes just this cheerleader for every stupid, woke idea ever. It was, you feel sorry for him. He's a nice guy, actually, and not a stupid guy.
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Someone just sent me a clip of John Curl, like, basically defending Trump. Wow. And it's just like, again, I'm not attacking.
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The wind moved. Then you realize that most people just kind of, you know, they're easy to control. You just tell them what the program is and they go along with it. Well, yeah, it's Kent Brockman. No, you're totally right. I welcome our new alien overlords.
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Most people just kind of go along with what they think the marching orders are.
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Yeah, and did I say CBS? I think he said ABC, whatever. They're all the same, and they're all going away. Yeah. But if your true entrenched power, which does exist, particularly in the intel agencies, I mean, that's where it really resides, as far as I can tell. Yeah. I don't know. It's like pretty threat. There's been a massive movement in power from the news media, which you control.
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That's a fact, I would say. In effect, control. News media is controlled by the intel agencies. Fact. To something you can't control. So that's a huge loss of power for you. So how can you let this continue?
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This is too much freedom.
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Well, not only are there bio labs in Ukraine, there are a lot of bio labs in Ukraine, which are working on biological weapons. That's what they're not there for. Right. Livestock vaccine. Sorry. And. Right.
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The thing that people don't in this country understand is that the Ukrainian military is selling about half of the arms they get from the United States into international black markets, and they're winding up in some case with the drug cartels in Latin America. That's a fact. Okay, it's a fact. And you can buy them. And I spoke to someone who did buy some, actually, so I know this is a fact.
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And they're bragging about it. So they're selling conventional weapons, including weapon systems that are very dangerous and very destabilizing that would make commercial air travel impossible, for example. Right. And so what are they doing with the pathogens in those bio labs? And does the Biden administration have... A manifest. Do they know exactly what's in those labs?
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And will they turn it over to the Trump administration so we can keep track of these things? And the answer is no, actually. The answer is no. I know this. Wow. So that's like the scariest thing that's ever happened. And so like what – you know, like –
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I think the Ukraine war has the potential to destabilize the world more than anything that's happened in my lifetime, just because of the scale of the weapon systems and biological agents involved in the most corrupt country in the West, which is Ukraine. I'm not attacking Ukraine. I feel sorry for Ukraine, but... What the hell? Yeah.
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And so we could use some, we could use, that's why I'm saying this right now because I hope this is widely disseminated because I think it's like the scariest thing I've heard in a long, long time. That is scary. But it's all flowered in secrecy. That's the point. Yeah. The only reason this stuff has happened, like this end of the world stuff has happened is because there's no disclosure at all.
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Everything is- Right.
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Yeah, there's so much there. So I spoke to someone about the UAP thing. Now we're so far afield, but I do think it's all connected. No, it is all connected, though. It's like none of this stuff happens except in secrecy. And this... I said... Let's stop playing like you've been talking to these people for years now.
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And the answer was the public is not ready for this information because it's, you know, it's just too, it's too much. And what's your view of that?
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Well, the core idea seems to be that it's that there is non-human intelligence, whether all these manifestations of it are that or whether their government programs are Chinese or whatever. It was probably a pastiche of all of them. But. The core idea seems to be that there is non-human intelligence, which is plausible, and that it's been in interaction with the U.S.
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government for quite some time, and that it plays a role in our world. I mean, well, there are all these things that I don't know what is true or what's not true. Do you think any of that is true? I know you've done work on this.
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An Intel person told me that this person believed that they were in fact Chinese and that a Chinese satellite went down, was visible to the naked eye. There were news stories about it. Yeah. It evaporated. It burned up. And this person told me that was taken down by the US government. That was a command and control satellite for these drones.
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And the belief was the Chinese government was sending the following message. We're moving on Taiwan and maybe other things. You can't do anything about it. So I have no idea if that's true or not. Zero.
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So, yeah, I mean— And that was, from their perspective, the point of the behavior was to say we can do things that you can't.
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So just to bottom line your view after reporting on the lights over New Jersey, in Pennsylvania, New York, mid-Atlantic drone hysteria, do you think they were human-made drones?
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And what you realize is that the covert operations are really not covert. Like, all the information's out there, actually. Right. But it's just discredited or unnoticed or no one colates it.
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I've bumped up against that personally several times on both of those issues, which appear to be related. Yes. But I don't know the answer. It's almost like seeing something in photographic negative. All I know for a fact confirmed is that they are willing to go to extreme lengths to keep it secret. Right. And so that's just to tell that there's something profound there.
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It's not just a bureaucracy covering its own ass. It's more than that.
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Well, I wonder, though, about like the possibility that there is or has been technology transfer from some other realm to this realm. Because there are, you know, just in the study of history, there's really no understanding at a bunch of different points in human societal evolution. Like, where did that technology come from? And you see that on a bunch of different technologies.
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But nuclear, anti-gravity, that kind of stuff, like, are you open to the possibility that That there's been like a transfer of that technology from some other... I mean, that is definitely, that is what a lot of people talk about.
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Why would Oppenheimer be involved?
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But the incoming president has said, he just said, I'm going to tell you what those drones were about.
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My theory is that the reason that permanent Washington or deep state or whatever, uh, people who administer the system hate Trump is not because of any of his policies, which is probably agnostic on, but because they fear that he will disclose information. I think it's, everything's about disclosure. If you look at the federal government, what's its defining quality is secrecy, right? Yes.
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Billion classified documents. Why is that? Right. It's not good. It's never good. Your kids behave like that. It's not good. No. They're using drugs or whatever. You know what I mean? Right. They're having sex they shouldn't be having. There's never a good reason for that kind of secrecy. It's not privacy. It's secrecy. Right. Yes.
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And there's something about Trump that makes everybody nervous that he might say more of what he knows than he should.
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Of course, that's in my daily prayers that he would do that. I don't think he's in danger of doing that. I certainly hope so. But I think it's even more fundamental. It's like this guy could say the truth. Mm-hmm. Because Trump is not much of a liar, actually, by Washington standards. He's an exaggerator, of course. But actually, his defining quality is like saying the truth.
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He's being honest about kind of big issues. Yeah, the big issues.
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And you think it's an NHI? You know, he hasn't told me. But yeah, I do think he knows. I'm pretty sure, pretty sure he knows. And I'm pretty sure that everybody I've ever spoken to who I think knows a lot more than I do. I mean, what does it mean to know? Like, do we really know anything? I don't know. I'm not sure anybody fully understands this or even partially understands it.
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But the people who I'm confident have a lot more information than I have to a person are very, very uncomfortable about it. Yeah. Not in public, in private, which is another tell. I mean, you've talked to a lot of people.
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I feel like they both have really been great for this country, net-net, as they say. But no, they joke about it in the same way that a lot of people joke about it. They're like, no, there are no flying saucers from Mars. Of course, they're not from Mars. They're not from another planet. They're from here. They've always been here. These are spiritual entities.
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This is my view, and I sincerely believe it. Can't prove it. But since you asked, so he is – I've never heard Elon say that's not true. Be dismissive. That there's nothing there. He just said, look, we monitor space. That's what they do, right? And this is self-evident. If there were – there have been so many sightings in this country and around the world that if they were from –
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another galaxy far, far away, there would be some satellite evidence of that. They'd be picked up coming into our atmosphere. And of course, that's not, as far as I know.
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But yeah, I mean, there's also... It would not surprise me, though. I mean, it's clear that... These things reside, you know, deep in the earth, under the water, and in the atmosphere.
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That is the question. I mean, why is everybody... Again, I don't know what anybody really knows. I don't know anything. I just want to start every sentence by admitting I don't know anything. I don't know what happens when you die. I don't know how the brain works. I don't know anything. I don't know what sleep is for. None of us do.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
But it's so revealing of the limits of human knowledge. It's like, oh, science has solved this. Really? What's sleep for? Tell me how that benefits us. Sleep? Really? But anyway, so I just always want to say and remind myself of the limits of my knowledge, which are profound. So I don't know anything.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
But once again, every person I've talked to who I believe has deeper knowledge on this question than I have has seemed burdened by it. Mm-hmm. Have you noticed this? Yeah. Yeah. It's not fun anymore. And these are not people who are making money from it. No. These are not people trying to get famous from it. These are people who just seem to have this knowledge and they're bothered by it.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
So that's to me.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Sorry. It's much deeper. Weapons programs come and go. Right. Weapons that we thought were fearsome when I was a child are a joke now. We're watching weapons technology change so fast in the Ukraine war that people can't even get their brains around it.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Well, that's what I was saying. Like, I do think all the puzzle pieces are sort of in plain sight. Did you ask Putin about it?
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
um i i did not ask putin about it um i would never have done it on air because i did ask him a bunch of questions off off camera about you know he has access to of course he controls the soviet archives which and the the soviets are great archivists and we know that from the you know couple of i'm interested in soviet leadership and government and all that stuff there have been a couple amazing books written
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Right. Starving to death.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
The Court of the Red Tsar being, I think, the greatest of them about Stalin, for example. And one thing you learn from reading the book is they kept records on everything, almost like the Nazis, like crazy level records. And, you know, most of them have never been as close. So I did have some questions for Putin about that, about Rudolf Hess specifically.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
I mean, what?
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
It's one of the great stories in history that doesn't make any sense at all.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
number two guy in nazi germany flying into scotland and a plane by himself and bailing out you know right before the u.s entry into the war and had all these things to say that were wild and one of the things he apparently said in his debriefs was he believed that hitler was being influenced by demonic spirits that he had summoned through the occult huh That's not worth knowing more about.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
There's a lot of stuff on that.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
But Hess said that. So I immediately asked Putin about that off camera. I don't want to seem like a wacko having unauthorized questions. But I did ask him about that. He did not get a satisfactory answer. But I did not ask him about UFOs.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
I think the modern Western mind, the post-1945 Western mind, is incapable of understanding some of the stuff because we lack the language of metaphysics. And I think that's just been a feature of human thinking from the cave period until we dropped the atom bomb, in which case it just turned off and we're like, oh, only the material world is real.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
But no one else has ever thought that because that's not true.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Yeah. But I don't think, I mean, even before, before the war, before dropping those bombs, which really were, I mean, I do think that's like the pivot point in history more than anything else, but yeah, there've been secular movements, you know, rich people always think they're God.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
And so they want to eliminate any rivals from the public, from the conversation, but those bombs, man, everything changed. I don't think.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Well, it's been 80 years. We'll see. Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
So last question. Sorry. Can you imagine sitting next to me at dinner? And you're, I think, one of the most knowledgeable people in the country on like all the most interesting topics. You're too kind. No, it's just a fact. In fact, if there's anything in this conversation I think is like provoked in people, it's a desire to hear more Michael Schellenberger. Oh, thank you.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Do you think it's possible that what we're seeing in L.A., which does feel like the destruction of our second biggest city, from which maybe there's no recovery, I don't know, I hope, but do you think it's an act of war in some sense? Mm-hmm.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
It happened. And it happened between Trump's election and his inauguration. And it's just crazy. Yeah. The second Trump got elected, I had this instinct like, oh, man. I bet a lot there's going to be bad stuff that happens.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Bizarre Tesla explosion in Las Vegas.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Mass shooting. Like, there's just... Yeah. If there's a two-month period in my whole life, 55 years, where more weird shit's been packed into two months, I can't think of it.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Can you? Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Just for the record, I consider him an honest.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
I think Ryan is an honest man.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Oh, he's a CIA operative. Oh, shut up.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
Have you ever heard the word gravetic before?
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
But I'd never – well, you're a writer. You're a word person. I'd never heard that word or seen that word.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
That was my instinct. That was my thought too. I looked it up.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
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It's also on a more prosaic level a violation of like the most basic agreement there is between citizens and their government, which is I send you more than half of what I own, but you keep my house from burning down and methods from scaring my children or whatever. Like you provide public safety, fire protection.
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Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires
You know, water, sewer, electricity, like just the basic stuff seems to be totally ignored. Absolutely. Why is anyone paying taxes? Why isn't there a revolution? There should be.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
So the original promise was Bitcoin will make you free and then it became quickly through subversion Bitcoin will make you rich. And that was enough to kind of derail the promise. I should note that you are rich from Bitcoin. I mean, and you could very easily kind of not say anything and just be happily rich with Bitcoin because you bought a lot of it early.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
And so it sounds like your ideological commitment is overriding your financial interests.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Der frustrierendste Teil, aus meiner Sicht, ist die Unmöglichkeit, Kryptowährungen mit Privatsache zu verwenden. Ich meine, das ist die Kernvoraussetzung. Ich habe das Geld verdient, habe nichts falsch gemacht. Und ich würde gerne etwas kaufen, das nicht in der Hand ist. Ob ich es verkaufe oder nicht. Und ich würde das in Privatsache machen. Ich glaube nicht, dass das eine seltsame Sache ist.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Es ist eine menschliche Sache. Und ist das möglich? This is my question. Is it now possible to conduct any kind of business with crypto anonymously?
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
A lot of people in the crypto world, I think, are admirable people. I'm friends with some of them. One you mentioned, actually, people I like and admire and largely agree with. But I'm a little bit confused as to why you're the only person I've ever heard say what you just said.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Why aren't the people promoting various cryptocurrencies also sounding the alarm that none of the transactions you conduct using these currencies are private? In fact, they're very easily trackable by government. Why is nobody saying that?
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
So it doesn't sound like you're suspicious that Bitcoin was created by the Intel agencies as a way, as a kind of trap for people.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
I just want to apologize, by the way, I was laughing off camera saying you're so great at explaining this. No wonder they want to put you in prison. I shouldn't have laughed. das ist eine schreckliche Sache zu sagen, weil sie tatsächlich versuchen, dich in die Gefängnis zu bringen.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Und also, anstatt so eine schreckliche Sache zu machen, würde ich gerne wissen, ob du glaubst, dass du in Gefängnis gehen wirst.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
I mean, the US government just sent $100 billion to Ukraine without an audit to the most corrupt country in Europe. $100 billion. Didn't even bother to audit it. You know, and a huge percentage is being stolen. We know that. They don't care.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Nun, ich sollte nur einen editorialen Kommentar hinzufügen. Ich meine, ich bin ein amerikanischer Bürger und werde einen bleiben, hoffe ich. Also bin ich nicht gegen den US-Dollar im Prinzip. Es ist die Verletzung des US-Dollars, denke ich, von den Leuten, die es verurteilen, der US-Gewerkschaft, der Federalen Reserve, die es gemacht hat, eine Art langfristige sketchy Proposition.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
So the idea that the US government is so upset that you, a non-citizen, didn't pay US taxes, which you're not even obligated to pay, is like absurd on its face. How did the Spanish government participate in what's obviously a grotesque miscarriage of justice? Why would they play along with that?
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Es ist so, dass ihre Verletzung die Menschen gezwungen hat, über Alternativen zu denken. Und eine der bestmöglichsten Alternativen war Bitcoin. Und es war, ich erinnere mich sehr gut, seit ich 55 Jahre alt bin, als es zuerst erscheint.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Wenn ich in diesem Geschäft nicht gewesen wäre, würde ich das nicht glauben. Ich würde nicht denken, dass alles, was Sie gesagt haben, wahr ist. Ich habe es nur so oft gesehen. Ein spezifischer Punkt. Bist du in Spanien verabschiedet oder verabschiedet? Kannst du das Land verlassen?
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Es ist schockierend, dass Spanien als die Jailer für den US-Gewerb auf transparente falsche Anzeigen agiert. Du hast also schon einen Monat in spanischen Gefängnissen verbracht.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Die Idee war, dass es ein Weg ist, dass Menschen ein Geschäft durchführen, um Geld und Dienste zu kaufen, ohne zu kontrollieren, um, wie du gesagt hast, Kontrolle über ihre eigene Geldautonomie zu haben. Und es ist stattdessen diese Asset-Klasse geworden. Und ich bin sehr interessiert, wie das genau passiert ist.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Roger, Gott sei Dank, wir freuen uns auf dich und hoffen, dass das in irgendeiner Art und Weise hilft. Du bist in unseren Gedanken. Danke.
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Und wenn du nicht mindest, die These deines Buches zu erklären, was du gesehen hast, wie das passiert ist, du sagst, die Unterfügung der Intelligenzen hat eine Rolle gespielt. Ich werde stoppen und dir erklären, was du gesehen hast.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Roger, vielen Dank für die Einladung. So, hier ist, wie ich deine Geschichte verstanden habe. Das ist, was ich gelesen habe. Du wirst von Spanien, einem Alli in Westeuropa, einem NATO-Staat, in die Vereinigten Staaten von der US-Gesellschaft für das Leben im Gefängnis zu befinden, 109 Jahre, für Taxi-Evasion. Du bist kein US-Betroffener.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
In der Zeit, in der du mit den amerikanischen Steuern bezahlt wirst, bist du kein US-Betroffener. Und so, wenn ich eine Geschichte sehe, die sagt, dass das US-Gewerbe jemanden für eine Steuerovation extradiert hat, um ihn für 109 Jahre im Gefängnis zu lassen. Mein erster Gedanke ist, vielleicht geht es nicht wirklich um die Steuern. Vielleicht gibt es etwas mehr zu dieser Geschichte.
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
Könnte es ein weiterer Grund sein, warum das US-Gewerbe dich wütend macht und dich für den Rest deines Lebens im Gefängnis setzt?
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
So, a bunch of questions, but let's just begin with the core promise of Bitcoin, as we both remember vividly, was that I would be able to conduct transactions by goods and services privately without federal control. That there was anonymity, because it was digital. And I could sort of have freedom in the things that I bought. Wie genau kontrollierten sie die Gespräche darüber?
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Why the Intel Agencies Want to Track Your Every Transaction and Throw Roger Ver in Jail for Life
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I wonder, I do know, and I've certainly seen that a lot, having spent a lot of time around rich people, but I've rarely seen someone address it as honestly as you are now. And do you know other people who've been willing to look at themselves as clearly?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So you got very rich in your early 30s.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Do you think, I mean, there's, you know, we're still, it's still ongoing, the war in Ukraine, but it had, you said, an immediate effect on markets. It was like a pivot point.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
That itself is weird. I mean, it's not weird where you live. It's not uncommon where you live. But historically, there's not a lot of that. What are the upsides and downsides of that, do you think?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Good point. What did you do when – this is after the Facebook IPO.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
It really doesn't.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So that war, my opinion, was welcomed by many in the West. And I wonder if, whatever they said, it was clear they were for it. Do you think that those two things are connected?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
After you got rich?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Literally, yeah.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
No, those are the most important things. If you can help someone save his marriage, I mean, I think that's a lot more important and virtuous than most things that we do.
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I completely agree. And a happy marriage makes happy children. Yeah. Yeah, it redounds through the generations, I would say.
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So, when I was speaking of children, I was having a conversation with one of my children this morning, You know, I know a lot of rich people, obviously, and we're talking about somebody who we know, you know, good guy, billionaire, who is totally focused on making more money to the exclusion of... Everything else. Kind of.
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And one of my children said to me, and not in a judgmental way, but, you know, with affection for this person, but like, why? Like, what is that exactly? I mean, why, you know, I guess it's just on autopilot to some extent, like, you know, I make money, I'll make more money, but... But the drive to make more money that is literally superfluous, like you will never need that money. What is that?
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It's a great question. You can have five decent children too, which is probably the best thing you could do for any country. But, so thank you for that. But I do notice and have always noticed that some of the people who've benefited most from the United States dislike it the most intensely. And I don't really understand what that is.
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It sounds like just good old-fashioned decadence, kind of.
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Sorry to derail what you were saying because it was very interesting. So 2020, everything you touch seems to turn a profit. Two years later, everything changes. Why is that good for you, losing all the money or all that money?
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That was my question.
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We're not going to use the word revival, but it does seem true that millions of Americans simultaneously are coming to the conclusion that buying things online and going on vacation may not be the sum total purpose of life. Maybe there's something more. And if you're one of those people who's beginning to ask questions, what else is there?
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For example, the power draw for AI, I was hearing about it, it was an AI center in another country three days ago, and they were saying they're not exactly sure
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um you know what it's going to take to run one but it could be 10x a normal data center which is that was amazing to me so how do you power that exactly so you have these competing imperatives you've got the climate agenda versus ai which is clearly the future of the economy of california for example yeah can i just say okay i have to go on a small diet please please do i'm trying to evoke one the
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Impact on the climate, on the environment.
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I've noticed, yes.
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The prepper approach to energy. I'm with you.
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Totally agree.
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I wonder if the structure of Silicon Valley or- Can I give you a different example?
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I mean, can we generate, do we have the hardware to generate the electricity necessary to remain dominant in the AI?
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Because it wouldn't include the control provisions, which are the whole point of it. We control your behavior. We give you something, but then we're in charge.
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Yeah, that is jumping ahead.
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Right, but he can't do that because he's surrounded by people who have already said no hydrocarbons, period.
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No, I'm aware. I'm aware.
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Oh, I've noticed. But I just think that we're... I mean, if you've got mandates for net zero or mandates for no hydrocarbons, mandates for EVs, and this economic imperative around AI, I just don't... And people like air conditioning, I just don't think we're going to have enough electricity unless there's hardware built, like, really soon. Yeah.
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Yeah, good.
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Oh, I know.
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To comply with code?
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By the way, not to be pedantic, but those rules were never passed by the Congress.
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No. Well, of course not. Of course not.
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But where does this, I think you're exactly right. I think you've described it very nicely, but I'm still baffled by the motive. Why would people in a country as great as ours want to wreck the country? Where does that come from?
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I'd rather live in Pakistan than live in the UK. I'm being serious. I think it's the most depressing country on the planet for the reasons that you just described. There's something about decline that's It's hard to describe, but when you're there, you feel it. It's terrible. Oh, it's soul.
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There are over 200,000 Brits in UAE right now. Right. In UAE, which they formally controlled until not that long ago. And now there's a massive outflow of... There are far more Brits in the Emirates than there are Emiratis in Britain.
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Oh, yeah. And much more depressing.
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There's a vibe shift. When countries decline, it's not simply a matter of GDP moving in the wrong direction. It's the spirit of the country is palpably different and sad. I mean, it's why so many Canadians accept their government's invitation to kill them through the MAIDS program. Their suicide rate is insane. Why is that? That's not a sign of health or vigor.
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or ascendance, that's a sign of, you know, terminal decline. It's like shocking. You're from there. When you go back, what does it feel like?
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It does seem fair. It seems much more efficient. I just can't— Now, everything else in Canada is broken, I think, but those two ideas— Well, their health care system is a disaster. Well, the implementation, then, of the system— So my question is, you know, it's like one of those things that— I'm not against it in theory, but I can't think of— I mean, national health system doesn't work.
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The Canadian health care system doesn't work. I mean, is there a working national health care system?
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That's for sure.
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In America, we do things a little differently and we always have. But the British said, hey, we're going to tax your favorite morning beverage. The revolutionary Sons of Liberty said no. And they poured the entire shipment of tea into Boston Harbor and created a new country, a country based on personal choice and freedom. Well, 251 years later, it is time to throw something else overboard.
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What, looking down the next five years, you know, name three or four innovations that you're pretty certain we're going to see life enhancers from AI.
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Ouch.
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While the patient is sedated.
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David Sachs, your co-host is now the AI czar, also crypto. Amazing. Well, it is amazing.
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How did it, can you show me how you did that?
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I can see that.
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Yeah.
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So you taught Sax how to hug.
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So your show, All In, I did it last year. I did it because David asked me, and I love David. I had no sense of its penetration. I had no idea. I'm not in business. I'm not in technology. I drive a stick shift. I'm kind of the opposite of that, and I just didn't realize –
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everybody watches it's unbelievable it's unbelievable i heard from people i hadn't seen since early childhood um i heard from every i was i was stunned by it so what's that like for you you're obviously well known in silicon valley facebook um and your investment business but i mean it's a much larger audience in silicon valley so what what has that been like
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Did you expect that? So like most of the people on the podcast, maybe all are, don't need to be doing podcasts. You're not doing it for the money, obviously. So this starts as like for fun or why did you, how did you end up doing that?
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Or news stopped happening. Actually, much more has happened.
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Well, apparently. And then Trump comes on.
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At the time, just for, cause I sort of understand the cultural context.
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Yes, that's right.
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Had you met him before, by the way?
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It's so nicely put. That's right. It's not even now clear exactly. It's disclosure of some kind. They fear... being, you know, revealed. But yeah, that's as far as I've gone.
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David Sachs.
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So what is the view? I remember vividly the day that you all had that fundraiser for Trump and thinking, I never thought I would live to see this. This is like a major change, major, major change. Was there a major change in attitudes in Silicon Valley toward Trump after that?
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And then Marc Andreessen came out.
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So what was it like, though, living there, living among the people you work with and have worked with? How did people treat you?
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You know, they all, that's really shameful.
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Well, what that's, I've felt that across the country. What is, how would you describe that?
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People are distracted by their day-to-day concerns also.
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Yeah, beautiful place.
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I mean, it does feel like the tipping point is here, though.
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I mean, I think you make a pretty strong case for the latter.
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To the fuel, of course.
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But there's a point – I mean you see the same thing in New York City where if the engines of the economy leave because it is a country with 50 states, there's a point where the math doesn't work and things just decline so quickly that it's hard to recover.
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Well, at this point, with the decline of ag and the entertainment business and aerospace, I don't really know what drives the economy of California other than technology.
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It's clear that people- Do you know people who've left? Many, many, many. Have you thought about it?
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Where'd they go?
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Texas and Florida, yeah.
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The police showed up?
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So, like, encourage it.
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So they're not your children in California is basically what they're saying.
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Man, that's just, I mean, any government that presumes to know better than parents is an out-of-control, scary government.
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Yeah, strongly.
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What's keeping you there?
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Good for you. I feel guilty that I left. Because it's the prettiest state. I mean, nothing comes close. So to get driven out of where you grew up and where your ancestors lived is pretty... It's bitter, but I did it. So does it change? Does the state change? It's a one-party state. Clearly, it's enormously corrupt, as you know, and wasteful.
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And now it's fallen down on its most basic obligation, which is to keep your house from burning down. Exactly. So does that... Force change politically.
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Exactly.
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Right.
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On the basis of labels, brands. It's so stupid. It's childish.
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Well, the point of regulation is to encourage, guarantee health and safety. And growing up in California, it was a healthy state. It was the healthiest state, as far as I could tell, and it was a very safe state. And it's neither one of those things. It's one of the least healthy states. Actually, there's more poverty in California than any state. Autism rates are the highest in the country.
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And it's dangerous in a lot of ways. So, like, it's not working. I guess that's what I would say. The regulations aren't working.
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You live among them. Like, do you see the change coming? Yeah.
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Yeah, what's that?
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Well, knowing him as you do, and for as long as you have, what do you make of his Joe Rogan appearance?
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How did you get so self-aware about all of this? Most people, when they feel sad, just sort of bumble forward and keep doing what they have always been doing to no effect. What stopped you and made you think about what was happening?
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So what are his highest values? What are his first principles? Zuck? Yep.
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But an informed guess since you know him.
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But he said to me a number of times over a number of years, you know, off camera, but has said, you know, basically I'm a kind of 70s liberal and I really believe in free speech. You think that's true?
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Apparently not.
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Well, he's basically said, you know, I was bullied by the national security state.
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Why don't you go fuck yourself? That's what I would say. Maybe that's why I'm not a billionaire. But it's like unbelievable that happens in this country. It's like shocking.
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Yeah, I know.
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I mean, the richest man in the world did that. So what is his role in Elon's role in the new administration, do you think?
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So do you think that Elon's X feed is a kind of pretty accurate window into what he's thinking?
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How is he seen in Silicon Valley?
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I don't know what to say. Has any American ever had this much power?
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Yeah, I just, I can't think of, I mean, of course, the president has the power to launch nuclear weapons, so that trumps all power. But as a private citizen, a non-president, I can't think of any time in 250 years where an American has had as much power as Elon Musk has.
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in the sense that you know he's the most successful businessman by many measures he runs the most powerful media outlet in the world which is x um and he has you know this mandate from the newly elected president united states to to change the government i mean i don't just nothing like that has ever happened that i know of yeah it's like yeah i mean i guess so you know i guess it hasn't happened why did he buy x
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Because as a business decision, it's kind of hard to justify.
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Actually wrote them down.
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How do you tweet that much, run that many companies, also have that many children, also, you know, he's a gamer, I guess. Like, how does that work? Yeah, I agree. As a scheduling matter.
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Well, that's the other thing is he's given up possessions effectively.
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Yeah, it is.
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It's totally true.
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I keep a verse on my phone. I'm not a great Bible scholar, hardly, but I do keep this verse because I think it actually... I mean, 1 John 3, do not love this world or the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you don't have the love of the Father in you.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and a pride in our achievements and possessions. Right. These are from the world, and the world is fading away along with everything that people crave.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Christian, not Buddhist, but same idea and true.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
That is exactly right. That is exactly right. Man. So speaking of bookends, we began this conversation with your description of your, I hate the word journey, but it is a journey, to like a much higher level of self-awareness and peace. And your ending by describing, you know, with admiration, Elon's decision to detach himself from the world, even as he engages in the things that he really loves.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Do you think that there is a greater spiritual awareness, a greater hunger in Silicon Valley where it matters because of the richest people in the country than there was? You said, you know, no one believes in God. Do you think that's changing?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
No.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
And my final question is, are you hopeful, since we are at a moment of real change in the country, are you hopeful for the future?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Jamal, thank you.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
Damn, what did your wife say when you told her this?
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
No, it's true though.
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Chamath Palihapitiya: Zuckerberg, Rogan, Musk, and the Incoming “Golden Age” Under Trump
So when you experienced the way your wife's family loved each other, it made you mad about your childhood? Yeah.
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
What did he do and say that affected your election and Romanian politics?
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
They have interest in war. What do you mean they want to launch World War III from Romania?
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
No.
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rjescu. Thank you for spending this time and explaining yourself. And Godspeed. Thank you.
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
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Banned Opposition Leader Călin Georgescu: Antony Blinken & Emmanuel Macron Killed Romanian Democracy
What role did U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken play in Romanian politics?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Interesting. What do you think of the future of crypto? I mean, obviously, you must have complicated feelings since you're in a crypto company or in jail because of it. But you know a lot about the topic. You sort of feel like things are moving very fast on crypto. Do you think they're moving in a good direction? I know it's sort of weird to ask you this question, but I can't resist.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
I mean I remember when the concept of crypto first arrived in the popular press and the whole idea was that this was a currency that could restore to the individual his freedom of commerce. I get to buy and sell things without – the government controlling me and I could do it privately. It would restore my privacy as well. And that obviously has never happened.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
It doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen. And I don't hear anybody say it anymore. And now it just seems like it's kind of another asset scam. Whatever happened to, I mean, these are broad brush statements, but whatever happened to the privacy thing?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So what do you do all day when you're not on trial?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
You think world governments would allow that? I mean, if you actually allowed the world's population to conduct financial transactions without the control of governments, then governments would collapse instantly, wouldn't they?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
I got to say, we've never talked before, but obviously I've watched you from afar. And I just also say I feel sorry for every man in prison, no matter what he's accused of or did. I just, I don't think we should be locking people away. I know, I guess we have to, but I feel sorry for everyone in prison. I'll just say that. Call me liberal.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So you knew everybody else in the crypto business. You're one of the most famous people in the business before the charges, before all of this happened. Being as honest as you can, do you think you were the biggest criminal in the crypto business?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Well, yeah, you're in jail. They definitely, that's their claim anyway. Yeah. But I wonder, and I'm not, you know, I've certainly criticized your business and other businesses like it in the past. And again, I'm not even getting into the details of your case because it's like Byzantine. But I'm just wondering, like, do you think there's a lot of shady behavior in the crypto business?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
You know, being honest.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So you were famously identified with a worldview and ideology, maybe even a religion called effective altruism. And the idea was that, as I understand it, that you do the greatest good for the greatest number. You make money in order to help the maximum number of people. And some have pointed out the irony that in the collapse of your company, like a million people lost their money. Yeah.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
But you do seem kind of healthier and less jumpy, I have to say, after two years in prison.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So there were a lot of individuals hurt in an effort that you described as like the greatest good for the greatest number. And I wonder if all of this has made you rethink the precepts of effective altruism.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
I guess what I'm saying is do – I mean I think it's hard for most people to understand the idea that it's more virtuous or valuable to help – people they've never met than it is to help the people right in front of them.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
In other words, like it's way more virtuous to help your wife, girlfriend, mother, daughter, brother, college roommate than it is to help like a village in a country you've never visited. I think that's how most people feel intuitively. But you disagree.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Well, see, I think you're sort of making a counter case. You're arguing against your own position. I mean, isn't it? I mean, I guess the problem I have with effective altruism is just too easy. I mean, it's like it's easy to cure polio. It's really hard to make the same woman happy for 30 years. And so maybe it's better to do the hard thing.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
No, I mean, you make it. I mean, that's demonstrably true. And 60 years of aid to Africa has shown that as life expectancy has declined. But I guess as a moral matter, how can you justify worrying about malaria when your cousin is addicted to Xanax? Shouldn't you fix that first?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Right. So do what you can. I don't think that's a crazy point. Last question on this topic. Can you think of a big recent international aid project that was an unequivocal success?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Right.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Yeah, I think we've undone it by blowing up Nord Stream. But yeah, no, I think it's a fair point. So how old are you now?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
You seem like you were just flying high on Adderall every time I saw you on TV. You don't seem that way now. Were you?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
How are you going to celebrate your birthday?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So you're not going to tell Diddy it's your birthday tomorrow? I don't believe you.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So, OK, so you'll be 33 tomorrow. If you are not pardoned, all things being equal, how old will you be when you get out?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Wow. Could you handle that?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So having done two out of the 25 so far, do you think you could – could you make it?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So, I mean, it strikes me there's a kind of weird – it's – I mean, you went maybe more than anyone I've ever talked to from one world to a completely different world. So you were in the world of digital money. Now you're in a world with no money. Oh, yeah. What's the medium of exchange in prison?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Ooh. Yeah. You went you went from crypto to the muffin economy. Yeah, that's right. How would you how would you compare them? Obviously, it's harder to move muffins internationally, but I don't think there is a currency anytime soon globally.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Ooh, that's grim. Have you, do you eat the muffins by the way? I don't eat them.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Wow. Well, it looks like it's been, it's been good for you. Do you, have you gotten any tattoos?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Ooh.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Oh, OK. So you're not you're not doing that. So since since you've been away and you're facing, I guess, 23 more years, I always wonder, like the people you helped. I mean, you're in prison because you hurt people, but you also helped a lot of people in Washington by giving them many, many millions of dollars. Did any of them call you to say, you know, good luck? I hope you're doing OK.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Don't join a gang or say anything to you at all.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Did anyone contact you? I mean, I noticed that your I thought was your girlfriend testified against you. Like, you know, there. Did you have any friends who stayed loyal and supported you or and continue to barely?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So maybe like the digital world is bad for us. Is that, I mean, like what's your view of that? You've been taken away from your phone. So that's kind of big.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
It's disgusting. And I had him in my house and I interviewed him and I think they charged his wife as well. It's totally immoral what they did.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Has it dawned on you, you know, I don't know what kind of news coverage you're getting, kind of contact you have with the outside world. It sounds like not too much. But that things are moving so quickly out here. Oh, yeah. By the time you get out, I mean, AI, for example, it sounds like we're reaching AGI or some singularity soon. Yeah.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
That you may emerge whenever you do into a world that doesn't look anything like the world you left.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Is having children part of your effective altruism philosophy?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Have any of those 300 employees visited you in jail?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Probably ought to have some real kids at some point, don't you think? Because when things go bad, they stick around.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Yeah. Other people are all that matter. Sam Bankman-Fried, I'm grateful that you did this. And it's probably the only interview you ever do where you don't get pressed on your business because there are other people to do that. But I was glad to talk to you. And I hope you'll give our best to Diddy.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Life is so weird. Godspeed. Thank you.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So, like, have you made friends there? Are you hanging with Diddy? I think he's in there with you.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Definitely alleged. So what's Diddy like?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Oh, I'm sure. And I mean, you're two of the most famous prisoners in the world in the same unit. What what are the other what are you like? What are the armed robbers think?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Wow. So how is it, that's so interesting. How has that changed your views?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Yeah. I mean, I've known, on the flip side, a number of extremely stupid people who've gotten rich in finance. They clearly have a kind of brilliance that I can't see. They seem like morons to me.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Yes. Have you had any problems?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So, I mean, big picture without getting into like all the details of your case, but it does seem like you guys made a decision at your company to form political alliances through political donations, which is not singling you out. You're hardly the only businessman who's done that. It's actually kind of par now. Yeah.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
But you gave so much to Democrats that I kind of thought they would rescue you in the end. Where were all your friends in the Democratic Party? They usually keep their friends from going to jail. Tony Podesta never went to jail. Why did you?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Why were you shocked? I know you spent a lot of time in D.C. There are pictures of you with, you know, everything. You met everybody. What was shocking about it?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
So can I just ask you to explain a little bit there? It's obvious to non-experts like me that, you know, Gary Gensler is obviously corrupt. I mean, that was clear, but it was, his motives were less clear. Like what was that? What, what was his goal?
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Interesting. That sounds right to me. I mean, those sound like Washington type goals. I've seen those before.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
Right. No, no. I knew that. Right. No, no. It's not like or any beliefs that. Self-advancement. So when things started to go south and you were criminally charged or thought you might be criminally charged, you know, you've given so much money to the Democratic Party that I think it's pretty leaving aside moral judgment here.
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Sam Bankman-Fried on Life in Prison With Diddy, and How Democrats Stole His Money and Betrayed Him
But it's pretty normal in business for the donor to call the person he's donating to and saying, hey, I'm in trouble. Can you help me? Did you call Schumer or any of the people you had supported and say, you know, hey, I need your help. It's the Biden Justice Department. Help me.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And so... I'm sensing inflated expectations here. I mean, this is a foreign country, obviously an ally, a close ally, the closest ally, I think it's fair to say, but a separate country. And so... You know, I think realistic expectations would be we get some of what we want. We don't get everything we want because, you know, we're not in charge of the United States.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And- Well, he's had that, you know, I've watched closely and, you know, interviewed him more than once. And, you know, for- Yeah, for, you know, well, moving on 30 years. Yeah. Because he's been in and out of office and he's had complicated relations with every president, you know?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Invade it and exit. What about the people who live there? What happens to them? Not Israel's problem. What do you do while you're in the West Bank?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I'm going to ask you to pause right there. So this is relevant to people who know Pete Hegseth from clips on acts of him from eight years ago saying things that would lead you to believe he's a pretty stout neocon.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, it caused 9-11, among other things, right? So, yeah, it has effects for sure.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I'm going to need more coffee to proceed because you're blowing my mind, Kurt Mills. I was in a restaurant the other night, in fact, this weekend, and I had a little trouble hearing what people were saying. And I thought to myself, I'm a little young to go deaf. Why? Well, because I grew up shooting, bird hunting, target shooting.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But, okay, so that's what you're referring to.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Just one quick digression about Steve Whitcoff. Sure. I think it's really significant that he's not a professional foreign policy figure. He hasn't spent a career at the State Department or, you know, doing bilaterals for his career. You know, he's just a smart, tough, competent person who was charged with a task by the president and he got it done. And maybe we need more of that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I mean, you know, there are certain parts of statecraft that, you know, probably it's helpful to have experience in statecraft. But some of it's just pretty straightforward. Yeah. Get a ceasefire. Okay. Yeah, no, no, I know.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, yeah. But even if Trump had like called someone in and been like, okay, Mr. Career Diplomat, can you effect a ceasefire? He'd be like, well, it's very complicated. Witkoff's just like, hey, ceasefire, stop.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Smart. Just like everything else.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Just like journalism or even education. Like you can't teach third grade without a master's degree. Are you kidding? Yeah, so it's just needlessly complex. When the first requirement is, do you like third graders? It has nothing to do with your master's degree. The whole thing isn't, it's absurd.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, we know the country hasn't been served because look at the country. And so I think, you know, we can say of all players, they didn't serve the country. That would include the media. And there have been times when I didn't serve the country, like when I advocated for the Iraq war. I mean, we're all culpable to some extent, but it's just remarkable to me that people are continuing it.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So now, instead of telling us that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, or that Osama bin Laden attacked us for our freedoms, or whatever the lie of the day was. The new idea is that Iran is, quote, the head of the snake. How many Americans have been killed by Iranian proxies in the United States over the last 20 years, do you think? How many Americans in the United States?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, have been killed by Iran-sponsored terrorism. Zero. Right around zero. How many have died of fentanyl ODs, drugs whose precursors come from China? Millions.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, more than a million. More than a million. Yeah. Okay. I mean, look. What are you talking about?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, Iran took over Iraq because we took out Saddam Hussein in a majority Shiite country. I happened to be there for that. And even I, as a 33-year-old moron, was like, wait a second. It's just a basic interest in demographics. Like, isn't this going to go to Iran now? Yeah. Anyway, yes. Right. Right. But I just find it amazing that...
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
There's been no public conversation about whether or not the United States should go to war with Iran. There's been no case laid out. At least in 2002, they had the decency to lie to us in a pretty complicated, sophisticated way about weapons of mass destruction. Now it's just like, shut up. You're anti-American if you ask questions. And it feels like we're moving toward a conflict with Iran.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yes, and wants no change under any circumstances except an annual increase in the number of four-star generals. It's the largest bureaucracy on earth. It is. And it exists to serve itself. It's got a pretty abysmal record of winning wars, a pretty great record of spending money. It desperately needs reform.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Is that a fair argument?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And I have to say the amount of calculated deception on the right. So all of a sudden, Barry Weiss, who's a leftist, becomes a conservative because she's against trannyism or something. Every normal person is against that. But it's pretty obvious that the whole purpose of her organization, the Free Press, and her career in journalism is to kind of soften up the right for war with Iran.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And to attack anybody, and she had this whole constellation of people, you know, Neil Ferguson and all these kind of people who had weight to the project, but who really are all kind of paid to flack for war with Iran and attack anyone who's not with the program. I felt the sting of this, so I didn't really understand how this worked.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But then, you know, as someone with like thoroughly moderate foreign policy views, I don't really want war with anybody. I'm not against anybody. And all of a sudden you're like, wow, you know, people are calling you anti-American.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And you're saying that based on the personnel choices you think he's making, he's now the defense secretary, by the way, as of right now. Yes. that he is sincerely on board with Trump's foreign policy.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But I'm just saying like there was, you said the problem with voting Republican is you're more likely to wind up with a war with Iran. And I agree with you. I'd much rather have a war with Iran than a war with Russia. But. kind of don't want either one.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And it's just interesting how the groundwork, I just know because I've been in conservative media my whole life, all of a sudden all these new people and you're like, oh, Barry Weiss, are you really conservative? Well, not at all. Then what are you doing here? Oh, you're trying to convince me
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
that I'm not allowed to oppose a war with Iran or I'm going to be written out of the conservative movement or something.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I knew a lot of them and some of them were really smart, decent people too. And by the way, some of their foreign policy views were not crazy at all. They recognized the Soviet Union was evil. Like the first generation of neocons Midge Dechter? I mean, I kind of love Midge Dechter. I don't know. You know what I mean? I don't think that they were all nuts at all.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah. You know what I mean? I will take the safe city and the thriving economy. I'm going to leave out the forever war. Is that okay?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, and I guess what I object to is, I mean, I'm never offended by people with different ideas. I'm never offended by someone who makes a sincere case, affirmative case or something that I disagree with. Okay. And by the way, maybe he's right and I'm wrong. I've certainly been wrong a lot. The part where I get enraged is, is the bad faith.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And so you ask questions like, well, is this in our interest? Well, you hate so-and-so. I don't hate anybody. And I certainly don't hate that. I certainly don't hate that country. I like it a lot, actually. Yeah. But there's no room for, they don't, they're preventing discussion. Yeah. And a lot of these people have the gall to,
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
to describe themselves as, you know, warriors for free speech when of course free speech is the last thing they want and they've gone out of their way to prevent any kind of open conversation about the most important topics in our collective life. So I'm just, I'm just bothered by the lying. There's too much lying. Don't you think? Absolutely.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I would say, and by the way, I'll even go farther and say, having worked for Bill Kristol for five and a half years.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Correct.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
For sure. And I was there. I mean, I started the very first day of the Weekly Standard, August 1st, 1995. 30 years ago, and I thought Bill Kristol, I still would say, was a great boss, you know? Interesting, fun to talk to, funny as hell. Obviously, I think he's taken a really dark turn, and his life has been kind of a disaster, and I feel bad for him.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But one thing I'll say about Bill Kristol circa, you know, 2000... is that he would make an actual case for his views. He would say, we have to go in and take out Saddam for the following eight reasons. And he would write... And you would say this is in 95, 96, 97. I mean, I was there for all of that. And I wasn't paying super close attention because I was dumb. And I was focused on other things.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And I was like, oh, yeah, it's his foreign policy, hobby horse. You know, he's into that stuff. I'm not that into it. I didn't understand the stakes. I didn't really understand anything, actually, when I was like a kid. But... I always admired and still admire his willingness and that generation's willingness to make their case, to write some paper. Here's what we're for. That is gone.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And now it's just like, can we censor the people? Can we call them names to the point where they get kicked off social media so there's no counterargument? Well, even Crystal himself had stopped writing. Well, he could never write. Not a genius, I will say. But, you know, an affable, amusing person in meetings, you know.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah, and tireless, you know. And there are good things to be said about Bill Crystal, obviously. He's called me a Nazi like a hundred times, but that's kind of the point. I'm not a Nazi. I'm... Not for the Nazis. I just don't. I've got different views. And that's the turn that I'm really bothered by is just the pure ad hominem attempts. It's an attempt at censorship.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And Barry Weiss engages in that like relentlessly behind the scenes using all kinds of proxies, some of whom I know. And I just want to say it out loud. I just want to say this is deception here. OK, so I hope people know that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
No, but I mean, we literally are operating in the red to the tune of trillions of dollars. In what world can we afford that?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah. So this, it just feels like a big deal. It's a big deal. To me. And it feels like it's worth, I mean, it certainly, if you comment on this, you do ask yourself, is it really worth it? You know, do I want to get into this? By the way, a lot of people I really like and I'm friends with violently disagree. So you run the risk, which I really don't want of rupturing friendships over it.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
That's the last thing I want ever. Yeah. And you think, maybe I should be quiet, but it does seem like that's a huge step. And at the very least, the public ought to understand that there are highly motivated people pushing us toward that. Do you think that we will participate in a military action against Iran?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So many accidents!
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I would not fly in a helicopter with Iranian officials. I'm just telling you that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Just for the record, I try to suspend judgment because I know a lot about what countries do. And I do think, this is one thing I'll say in support of Israel, I do think that it is You know, it isn't fair to just single out Israel and say they're doing naughty stuff. Like, lots of people are doing naughty stuff. That's just a fact.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
My only... You know, the only point where I would feel like I want to say something is if the United States gets sucked into it. Sure. Now we're talking about our interests, my country... where my family's from, and I think it's fair to speak up then.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Look, I don't want Iran to get the bomb. I don't want anyone to get the bomb. I'm against the bomb. Okay. But I was around when Pakistan got the bomb. Yep. And Pakistan is a country with a lot of wonderful people in it. Kind of a great country in a lot of ways. Spent a fair amount of time there. However, the government of Pakistan is arguably scarier than ours. You think? Harvard Osama Bin Laden?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
etc. ISI has been, you know, really a source of disorder in South Asia for a long time. And they've exported nuclear technology, including to North Korea. So no one's ever said anything about that. Like, it's not a crisis that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has the bomb. I don't really get it. I mean, why was that not a crisis? Why do we do nothing to stop that?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Okay, well. I think we can say longitudinally that was a bad bet. He just didn't like one person and it didn't really matter. That was like betting on Wang computers over Apple. Like it just kind of didn't turn out. Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
We're keeping the Wang in. Look, all I'm saying is- My father sold Wang computers. Oh, I'm so sorry.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah. Your father sold some Wangs.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Like we don't want other countries to get nuclear weapons. I think that's, I'm with the neocons 100% on that. But, you know, in a complicated world that we don't actually control, what can we do? What are the limits of our power given a lot of other factors like our domestic, our economy, the needs of our people? Like, you can't do everything.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
the de facto government of iran so if of course there does this is just in this is totally insane it's counter to our interests i guess is what i would say yes um if you were trump and you say to steve whitcoff hey steve whitcoff go get a you know ceasefire in place and he comes back like 20 minutes later with a ceasefire wouldn't you say okay we like that pace I like that base.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So it's amazing to me that over 20 years after the Iraq war, its architects and supporters are still not fully in control of America's foreign policy, but certainly influential in it. And it's shocking to me that two months after Trump's landslide victory, a race in which he ran against the neocons, the neocons are still brazen enough to try and influence and sabotage his nominations.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Wouldn't you send him to Iran? I would.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
So these, I don't know, Damien, I know Caldwell, who I think of as a man of genuine integrity, high intelligence and principle committed to his country. I think he's proven that. I honestly think he's like a wonderful person, but he's being attacked by people who never served with a long unbroken track record of destroying America as somehow anti-American. Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I don't think after 25 years of this nonsense, killing dictators and watching their countries become more chaotic and more dangerous to the United States and the world— that we have any obligation to listen to people who chirp like that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Sucking up to TikTok. Shut up.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
You don't know anything, actually.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, I'm 55, so this is driving me completely insane. I thought after we discovered that the pretext of the war was a lie, that those people would... I don't know, don ashes and sackcloth and go like sit on a pillar for 10 years.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
They went around the World Bank and they still run the State Department. And Toria Nuland, who was an architect of the Iraq War, was an architect of the Ukraine War. Like this just doesn't end.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
That's why I wanted to interview you.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Yeah. And I'm, because I've spent my life in the media, I'm very kind of fixated on their enablers, their agents in the American news media. And one of them who's working, has been working for years on their behalf, on behalf of Permanent Washington, the foreign policy establishment, every bad idea, is Jennifer Griffin at Fox, the Pentagon reporter. Who is now, you know, basically texting Domino.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Is that the? Michael Domino. Yeah. Is, you know, running around on behalf of, you know, her sources at the Pentagon doing their bidding, trying to torpedo these guys because permanent staff doesn't want to be challenged on anything. Yeah. And okay, you know, there's a role for that kind of behavior. It's called lobbying.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But it's a little crazy that like a supposed news reporter would be acting like that. I'm not guessing. This is a fact. She's doing that right now and has been doing that kind of thing for as long as I've been paying attention, like a couple decades. How does that continue?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, of course they- Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Where we have civilian command of the armed forces and the entire federal government works for the population of the country, its voters, its citizens, its constituents, shareholders. No. No. There's no sense of that whatsoever in Washington at all. Yeah. It's like, what are you doing here?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
It's not fringe. You know, I just refer you back to the pivot point in American politics in my lifetime, which was the 2016 debate in Greenville, South Carolina, where Donald Trump, home of the highest percentage of military veterans of any state, famously, and Donald Trump came out against the Iraq war and all the dumbos at the channel I work for and in Washington are like, oh, he's lost it now.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
He'll never get the nomination. He's offended all the veterans. And of course, all the guys whose lives were destroyed fighting these wars are not on behalf of the United States, not to the benefit of the United States. They were filled with many emotions, frustration, shame, rage, sadness, and they immediately... knew what he was talking about, and no one in D.C. knew what he was talking about.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
and still won he went up and then clearly triumphed that was the moment when i was just you know whatever his flaws i was for trump because here was a guy telling a real truth a hard truth that no one wanted him to tell and was rewarded for it and i just felt like that was that's consistent with my principles and beliefs which is you ought to tell the truth in a healthy country rewards people who tell the truth not people who lie
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
You know, that's an interesting analysis. I mean, it's like MSNBC level dumb person analysis, but it's also like a real analysis. And there is a sense in which devotion to Trump has a religious quality to it. I mean, that's undeniable. I was just in D.C. for the inauguration. I can confirm that. And there are a lot of reasons for that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I think a lot of voters feel like Trump is the only person who cares about them. He's their only option. And so they're on board regardless because where else are they going? And I think that's true, A. And B, I think that's a reflection of how badly the leadership of the country has failed. People will take anything other than that. But I also think saying true things out loud changes history.
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I think that's the lesson of history. The only people who actually change history are not the ones who marshal the biggest armies, but the ones who speak the truth out loud. I think it's a holy act. I think it's a transformative act. And all of history is the story of that act, actually. And sometimes it takes centuries for the consequences to unfold, but they do. It's inevitable.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
It changes everything. That's why there's such a... almost a crazed attempt to shut down people from speaking. Why speaking? They don't care about violence. They care about talking because they understand correctly that that's what matters over time, right? So once Trump has said all this stuff, There's kind of no going back. No. Do you think... I mean, that's my view. I don't know.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Hysterical. And marginal. But we're robbed of like a real debate. I mean, I don't know. You know, if you think it's so important to kill the leaders of Iran... And get into a full-scale war with a real country, which Iran is, which is part of a real coalition.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But where's the debate on it? I guess that's the point.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I mean, it's a little harder here, too, because on the question of Russia, it's been surprisingly effective for them to just dismiss all criticism as sponsored by Putin. Like, you don't think it's a good idea to prop up the Zelensky government. You're a Putin puppet or whatever. Right.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
You want someone to do so many... Can you really call like a white American Christian guy a puppet of the mullahs? Probably not. It's like, I don't think that works, right? Does it? I guess they're trying it with Steve Witkoff. You're a tool of cutter.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, the domestic, I mean, you can't buy an apartment in New York because there's so much Chinese money in the residential real estate market. So like, okay, so the argument is what? You're only allowed to invest in your own country's real estate? Okay, let's start here. Let's ban foreign investment in our real estate markets. Oh no, that's anti-capitalist. Just the whole thing doesn't make sense.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
What are they saying? What?
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I mean, I do think it's worth having an honest, I've never seen one, there never has been one, but an honest conversation about foreign influence on American policy. I think that's a totally legitimate topic. And, you know, we've kind of done a lot of lying and pretending, for example, that Russia has like undue influence over American foreign policy. It's absurd.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
But why not have that conversation? Are there foreign countries that exert influence on American policy?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
whose interests supersede those of American citizens in the minds of policymakers. And, you know, there may be some of those. How would we rank Qatar? You know, in terms of its influence. Maybe not in the top three. Yeah, no. Right. So, just having lived in D.C., this whole conversation is like so infuriatingly false and just silly. I mean, are they running intel operations against us?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
There's a lot of Qatar surveillance in Washington. Yeah. A lot of Qatar agents running around the Willard Hotel. I don't think so. Maybe. Very well disguised. Like, what are you talking about? I mean, our country's doing that. Are they hacking the Pentagon's mainframes? I don't think. Oh, China's doing that.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Well, so that's exactly the complaint that I have. And that's the problem that I have with Barry Weiss. It's the problem I have with Jen Griffin. It's the problem I have with Washington Post. And just so much of the media coverage of foreign policy is based on insinuation. And like the cruelest sort of character-destroying insinuation is that you're not loyal to your own country. Yeah.
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They reach for the biggest sword. Man, they go right for the face. And I just think that that's beneath a great nation like ours. I think it's beneath any decent person to behave like. If you have evidence that someone's selling out his country, tell me what it is. But to start with that, to accuse Steve Witkoff of being a tool of Qatar, it's like so over the top.
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What are the publications? Who are the people involved in this campaign of lies?
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I just feel like it's important to call out the people doing it and say, you're disgusting. We're not listening to you anymore. You have no influence except that that you project through aggression and threats. And like... We're not playing along.
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Well, I mean, I think the track record is pretty, speaks conclusively.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
I think national, I mean, first of all, I agree completely. And I wrote a piece at the very beginning of this whole saga almost 10 years ago. Donald Trump is a shocking, vulgar, and right. Yeah, he's winning because you failed. Simple, you know, obvious. It was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. Five years since the beginning of COVID.
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And yet, for some reason, we still don't know answers to the most basic questions. And one man knows those answers. His name is Dr. Tony Fauci. And now a documentary filmmaker called Jenner First is out with a new film explaining exactly what happened. The film is called Thank You, Dr. Fauci. We'll see it exclusively here on TCN. Anyway, I don't think D.C.
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gets it, but I also think at this point Trump is the most powerful president certainly since Roosevelt. Interesting. And the potential for, you know, achieving his promises is really high. America has greater problems than it's had since the Great Depression, maybe even bigger than it had then. And we have a chance to address them.
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Probably not solve all of them, but make some headway on things that could help Americans. Sealing the border, stopping the chaos, just taking a breather so we can figure out how to fix the country. And the only thing that could derail that is another foreign war. We can't do it with this stuff.
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So you had, what, 200,000 people a year dying of drug ODs and no one said anything about it? And endless lectures about Ukraine? And it's no disrespect to the Ukrainians, who I really feel sorry for, But like, that's so unbelievable that that happened. It's like a bad dream. And now we've woken up from the dream and we have this chance.
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And I'm sorry, I just, you know, with respect to Barry Weiss and Jen Griffin, you can't do that to us again. It's just not going to go without a fight this time. We have to reorient toward our own interests. And that's no disrespect to any other country, to our allies who we wish well and will help to the extent we can.
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But like the idea that we're responsible for all these other countries when we're dying here, No mas. Is that a radical position? That's my actual position in my heart. That's my actual position.
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well they're hell-bent on suicide the western europeans and not the eastern europeans or central europeans but the western europeans are you have decided to kill themselves and it's it's almost like if someone's standing on a bridge or in a window of a skyscraper and you're trying to talk them back in it's it's hard and who knows why that happens i think there's a supernatural element at work it's my personal view but whatever you think the cause is that's what it is you destroy you blow up nordstrom destroy the german economy and you're not allowed to say anything about it in germany
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I don't know that we can help you at that point. You know what I mean? Like, if you're that intent on self-harm, that anxious to destroy your own civilization, make it impossible for your children to live there, then you're killing yourself. You can't help someone who doesn't want to help himself. Like, go ahead and jump then. Kind of. That's how I feel.
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But just from an American perspective, like, all of this has been bad for us. There's no way to pretend otherwise, except to launch into some airy moral lecture about dictatorships and Winston Churchill and Neville Chamberlain.
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I think that's the truth.
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I would. I was just reading the Barry Weiss editorial about how pulling Pompeo's... What did she say? I didn't read it. It's outrageous. It's a betrayal of Trump's promises.
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Yeah, that you can't, you're not allowed, you are required to pay for Mike Pompeo's security detail. And I will just say point blank is someone who has faced greater physical threats than Mike Pompeo. I can promise you that. I, you know, if I have security, I pay for it myself. Like, why does Mike Pompeo, as a private citizen, get to stick me with the bill for his security detail?
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Like, how does that work, Barry Weiss? And the point is that Mike Pompeo is a faithful servant of the kind of ideas that she is here to push on the rest of us, and therefore he will be defended at all costs. But, like, let's just be honest about what's going on. Anyway, sorry.
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You know, everyone's got a detail. Fauci has a detail. Yeah, yeah. Because he's in my dog park in Washington. I hear about it.
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But he's still got bits of egg in his mustache and I don't have his cell anymore, so I can't tell him, but he needs to fix that.
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Sorry, I'm just doing the whole CV here.
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I'm so sorry that I said that. It's beneath me. I shouldn't have said that.
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I had heard about that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Pompeo... Patriotic Americans rallied, as they did in Boston in the 18th century, To act on behalf of their nation at some personal risk, but they did it anyway. Unsung heroes.
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Okay, I think this is a fair assessment. So the people who want to continue what we're doing at unsustainable cost, being a bankrupt country, by the way, sending aid to countries that are not bankrupt, those are the radicals, I think it's fair to say. So what are they saying about Domino in this hit piece?
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I don't know that Brian Hook has served in government in four years.
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Why would he have a security detail paid for by taxpayers?
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Because they've been creating a lot of terror attacks in the United States, you've noticed. Yeah. Oh, no, no, that was in Tifa. And so that is the essential, that is the causes. I'm just going to have to scoff at all of it. I've heard a lot of this.
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I hear this all the time.
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So if I could sum up what I think you're saying, it is that Donald Trump may have actually broken the grip of the neocons on Washington.
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I mean, it's... It just seems like this is... Because there was always this question about Trump. Like, you get up and you give these speeches where you say, we don't want more pointless wars, I believe, and peace through strength. Not a wuss. It's not Jimmy Carter. But, like, you know, you assert American power, but you don't embroil a country in wars that you can't win for no reason.
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It's a very moderate, sensible, common sense, I would say, view. So you say those things, but then you hire John Bolton. And the question is why? And Trump would say, I've heard him say, well, I hired Bolton. I beg your pardon. I hired Bolton because he's a lunatic and he's a warmonger freak. He's obviously like watching war porn late at night and people can smell that on him.
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And so when he goes into a negotiation, he scares the crap out of everybody. And then I show up, you know, he's the heavy and I'm- I mean, I've heard Trump say that. And I didn't know if I believed that or not, but I'm starting to think that I should have just believed him because it sounds like Trump's actual instincts are what he says they are.
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It's a great sentence. So Donald Trump invited the Taliban. So tonight, who's coming for dinner tonight at Camp David? I know the Taliban will be here.
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I do think it's important, Kurt, to just recognize the inherent hilarity of a lot of, you know, it's just, it is, in addition to being grave and, you know, historically significant, it's very funny.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah. So, you're very restrained and businesslike and precise as a reporter should be, as an editor should be, but the story that you're telling, I think, I don't want to put words in your mouth, is a story of like real change. Yeah. Finally, we actually appear to be getting to like a foreign policy that puts America close to the center of the... Yeah.
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I don't know the guy. Sounds kind of Catholic to me. You know a lot of Shiites called Damino, or is that a common name for Persians?
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Well, I just want to countersignal by saying, I think what you're saying is true. I think it's real. And I've never admired Trump more. I don't think I'm going to ask this from the Trump question, but this is like... America really needs this. It's just super important. And it's not radical at all. It's not attacking anyone or canceling our allyship with any country at all. It's just...
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That's what all the Republican senators have figured out. You do surprising things in foreign policy. You're John McCain. Like, you're, you know, whatever. You've got a lot of problems in your personal and public life, but you can bomb around Eastern Europe and get treated like an emperor. Right. And feel like you're doing something. You're, you know, Jim Risch or Mike Rounds or some, like, U.S.
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senator nobody's ever heard of, even in his home state. Right. But when you travel to Romania to tour a NATO base, people are like, oh, you know, Senator Risch is here.
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The foreign relations chair. Yeah. So. Right. Yeah, yeah. So that's a big motivator for our lawmakers, isn't it? Sure. For sure. I mean, yeah. I mean. You go to Idaho Falls and no one's like, oh, I can't believe you're here. But, you know. It's Chairman Risch. It's Chairman Risch. It's like such an absurd. Anyway, excuse me. Interesting. And I interrupted you because I can't control myself.
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Zero self-control. Get on the topic of pizza or neocons and I'm just out of control. Tell me your analysis of Trump canceling the security details for Brian Hook and Mike Pompeo.
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Well, he's on, I think, more than one board, but he's certainly running around, including with people I know, saying, yeah, I'm really kind of a business guy.
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Yeah, this is a real fighter.
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Just for the record, I had no foreign policy convictions. I don't think I'm ideological on the question at all. I just think in general, our foreign policy should serve the nation.
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And this was always, this was... Until we can't afford it anymore and our allies pivot to China and sell even more defense technology to China. Yeah. I do think there, okay, so the backbone of support for these wars has been evangelicals. Let's just be blunt about it. It's everyone, you know, beats up on the neocons or whatever, these fervent intellectuals in Washington.
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But really, the foot soldiers of this have been Fox News viewers who are not... ideological, they're not intellectuals, they're just normal American patriotic, heavily evangelical people. And the truth is, I think a lot of them are beginning to recognize that their religion does not support this at all. It's really clear. Genesis 6, why do we have the flood? Why does God kill everything on earth?
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And whatever it takes to get there is fine. You will say it. It doesn't matter. You'll call anybody anything if it serves your purpose.
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All the people except Noah and his family, all the animals except the ones in the ark. Why does he do that? He spells it right out. Because they're committing violence, that's why. So it's like the idea that, I mean, the Iraq war breaks out and all these preachers are like, no, no, no, really? We have to fight Islam and kill all these people. And that's what God wants.
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That's not what it says at all. And there's no mention of any specific secular government in the New Testament. Sorry, guys. And I think a lot of Christians are beginning to realize this. Because you're a Christian doesn't mean you have a specific political agenda at all, I don't think. But if your political agenda is like violence, that's prohibited. I'm sorry. And I just, it could not be clear.
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It's on every freaking page. So I don't know the deception involved in this was just like mind boggling that these preachers could get up on Fox news and tell you that like, yeah, killing people is what Jesus wants. No, that's not true. And I just feel among people I know a growing recognition of that.
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And I think it's a huge problem for the war lobby, which has used these people as its supporters. And you see it in the Congress. You know, I'm an evangelical and I'm for another war with somebody.
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To be replaced by what? The same people who replaced Assad and Gaddafi and Saddam and the Taliban.
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It's hard to know. You're rolling the dice.
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Is there any evidence that he's, quote, anti-Israel?
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Right.
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No, I agree completely. Well, you have actually given me, I asked you to come for this conversation. It's late at night. I was very exercised about it. You were nice enough to come and we're in a hotel room in some city, but I thought I was going to be more depressed by the end, but actually I feel really heartened by what you said. Thank you for having me.
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It's okay to be critical of other people's wars or your own wars. It's okay to offer analysis of war.
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So I read something from a guy called David Wormser, who was one of the architects of the Iraq. We're not from this country, not really concerned with this country at all. And also, I think it's fair to say, you know, someone who should hang his head in shame given a lifetime of destruction that he's helped perpetrate. bring to our country, but describe these policies as anti-American.
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So I have to say, it takes a lot of balls for someone who has no interest in the United States to accuse someone whose whole orientation is helping the United States of being anti-American. But I've noticed this a lot. If you raise the question, like, what are we getting out of this? You know, the endless war cycle, we're getting bankruptcy, obviously, but like, is this good for us?
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They'll accuse you, you know, the Constantine Kizan, also not an American, will accuse, that wing will accuse you of being somehow woke and you're like left wing for asking these questions.
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There's no more repulsive group in American life than the people who continue to push death and bankruptcy on the United States. I think that's fair. Can't recover from death. No, you can't.
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I have noticed this is because it's so over the top. Rather than, look, I think a lot of these positions are legitimate. I disagree with them. You know, a ton of these people are smart people. I know almost all of them. And they could make like a straightforward case for their position. Like here's why we should affect regime change in Iran or here's what we should kill Putin.
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I mean, maybe there's a case to be made for that, but they never make the case. They attack anyone who stands in their way in the most brutal and dishonest ways, they have no limits at all in their behavior at all. And I just find that repugnant and like corrosive. Even if I agreed with them, I'd be against that. Like, what is that? It's guerrilla warfare, the win at any costs. Win at any costs.
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I know I'm jumping around, but I'm exercised. I just watched what's happening to a man called Steve Witkoff. Do you know Steve Witkoff? Yes. So he's a friend of Trump's. He's a real estate guy from New York. I happen to know him just for other reasons. How well do you know him? Pretty well. You know, just personally, I don't know a ton about his views.
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I don't sense that we probably don't agree on foreign policy in some ways. But he was tasked by Trump, as you know, to go over and affect some kind of ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. And he did. And I doubt he's anti-Israel. In fact, I know he's not, whatever that means. And he is being attacked as somehow an agent of the Islamic Republic of Qatar and like anti-Israel Steve Witkoff. Yeah.
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And I happen to really like Steve Witkoff. I think he's just, I just like him. He's just a great guy, actually. And he's really tough and he's just a good guy. If you had dinner with him, you'd like him, trust me. But I'm just blown away by the dishonesty. Rather than say, hey, Steve Witkoff, like I disagree with you or whatever. It's, he's working for Qatar. What? He's from like Long Island.
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What are you talking about?
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But these people are disgusting. They're liars. And like, if there's one thing the country said too much of, it's lying. Let's just stop lying. Let's just be honest. I agree. Yes. I agree. We've been corroded by lies. Completely. The country's about to collapse because of lies. And the people pushing endless war are one of the main vectors for that lying. Like, because...
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
There's just no reference point in reality at all. If Steve Witkoff is an agent of Islamic Republic, then I just give up. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Okay, sorry, lecture over.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
He's like the most reasonable, moderate person in the world. No, he's not anti-Israel. He's just tough.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Where are we in the below-the-radar war between permanent Washington's national security establishment, the neocons, and the incoming Trump administration?
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
Okay, so they disagree. You know, they've had to give a little.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
All I'm saying is when you reach an agreement, everyone gets pinched. Okay. That's just the nature of it.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And no one likes it, you know, but like tough, that's what it is. And my read on Witkoff is that he's just not super ideological. I think he's pro-Israel. You know, I wouldn't even question that, but I don't think he's an ideologue. He's a self-made real estate guy who started with like a single apartment building in Washington Heights. He's a tough human being.
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Curt Mills: Trump Can Save America or Wage Another War, but He Can’t Do Both. Here’s Why.
And I think you need someone who's practical and tough to affect a negotiation. You don't want someone who's captive to all kinds of theories. Trump says, hey, Wyckoff, get a peace deal or, you know, get a ceasefire, an intermediate peace deal, a first step toward one. And Wyckoff's like, okay. And he just shows up and he's like, hey. You, you. Isn't that what you want?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So you, more than anyone for the past couple of years, have been awakening the rest of the country and the world to this nexus between public and private sector, NGOs, nonprofits, U.S.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And I think maybe that's the whole point of this is that, you know, any nation, particularly a big one like ours that controls a hemisphere, has a foreign policy and has all sorts of ways to affect it, including the soft power that you referred to. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's essential. The question is, why are you doing it?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Are you doing it, A, to serve your own interests, to preserve import and export advantage? Are you doing it to secure energy that you need to have a functioning society? Are you doing it to bring peace to your hemispheres? You don't have a lot of craziness and lawlessness and civil wars and all that? Yes, those are all good things. Or are you doing it to sow chaos for its own sake?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So, I mean, I guess the problem that I have with USAID and with the State Department and with CIA and with all of the ways that we project power abroad is not that they exist. It's that they're not serving us and they're not serving sort of like the basic goals you would want for any great power, which is like peace, security, sort of continuity, reasonableness, freedom, democracy.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Like they're not doing any of that. They're like... sowing bizarro, destabilizing sexual politics into other people's cultures. Like, why would you do that? I don't understand. Like, what U.S. interest is served by having all of those agencies that I just named go to some other country and say, no, you need more trannyism or some, you know, we need to structure the family differently.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Like, why do we do that? Who wins when we do that?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
It used to be only crazy people thought they were being watched all the time, surveilled, the guy mumbling next to you on the bus. But now anyone who knows what's going on thinks that because it's true. Your phones are listening to you. Tech companies tracking all your online activity in order to profit off of what ought to be private information. Governments are watching, too.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
It's a corrupt system. It's frightening. And the worst part is it's all legal. The government certainly will not help stop this. Of course, the intel agencies love it. So it's up to you to protect yourself, and that's where ExpressVPN comes in. ExpressVPN, which we use here, is an app that sends 100% of your online activity through secure encrypted servers.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
What is a transgender dance festival, having never been?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Why what American interest is preserved or protected or advanced by pushing transgenderism or any kind of sexual politics or family politics, including family planning? Why is it our business how many kids other countries have? I don't I've always been confused by that. Like, what is that? Why are we doing that?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
They don't want foreign troops on their soil. Who does? Right.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
It's just like a giant NATO base right now. Right.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
You're making the hair on my arms go up because you're describing what's happening in our country. You're describing the 2017 Charlottesville March, the Nazi March. You're describing what happened on January 6th. You're describing the riots after George Floyd was murdered. You're describing the rise of rap music and drugs in our city and all of it. You're describing, you know, tranny story hour.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And, you know, like you're describing all the trends in our country that seem to arise out of nowhere, whose net effect is to destabilize America. America to fray the social fabric, to divide people from each other, to make them easier to control. And in the case of Trump's first term, to to undermine the White House. Right.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I mean, I don't know that any of that's true, but like what you're what you're describing that we did in Bangladesh is what's happened here. And so it raises the question, like, was that all by design also? And of course, of course it was. Right?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And then- But do you think it's, I mean, look, just to go through them, the 2017 Charlottesville March, where all of a sudden out of nowhere, there are all these Nazis, like who knew we had so many Nazis in our country? Right.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Right. So, but like out of nowhere, Trump gets elected and all of a sudden Charlottesville, Virginia, home of UVA, not a right wing town. There are all these people showing up led by a couple of people were just so obviously feds. It's like not even a question in my mind. Thank you.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Thank you.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But sometimes I wonder, like, do people believe what Mike Benz is saying? And now, over the last week, since the USAID files have dropped, mostly on X, people are discovering what you have been talking about and learning that it's 100% true. And I just wanted to ask how that feels for you.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Recap some. I think you're making a really important point. I just want to make sure it doesn't get lost in the details. Correct me if this is not a fair.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But I think you're saying when we look at we were discovering all these things, all the transgender dance contests or whatever that they're funding, it's easy to say, well, they're just like dipshit liberals who are like doing dipshit liberal things. And what you're saying is, no, these are hard edged instruments of policy.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And a lot of this is destabilizing. Have you noticed like I thought a great power. The reason the U.S. is better than the Soviet Union was we brought stability, predictability, markets, democracy. And they brought war and instability. And I always thought that good leadership, good stewardship, good parenting. brought stability.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And it does seem like we are intentionally showing disunity and instability around the world.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And what I'm concerned about is that... So you're saying the U.S. economy can't continue, our prosperity can't continue unless we, like, wreck other people's countries?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
That is a form of violence, incarcerating someone, putting them in handcuffs.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
The whole thing was a total front for... We were building a coalition to challenge the government in power because we didn't like that government.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But it has to be in the service of goals that, you know, are worth achieving. You know, like having a strong and free country.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I mean, this is this is the problem with our system is that it doesn't have continuity. And the whole purpose of the deep state is to provide – I mean, no one ever says this, but I grew up around it. The purpose of the deep state is to provide continuity in a democracy in which leadership changes every four or eight years. So how does that work exactly?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So you have the political structure that runs everything at the request of the population. That's called democracy. But then you have longitudinal interests that have to be represented regardless of who's in power. Right. And so, you know, the deep state arose in response to an actual need. You have to have continuity.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But then, unfortunately, but at the same time, the deep state has to be in some deep sense responsive to the population or else you have tyranny.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So, like, it's a very, you know, democracy is not an easy system to administer. It's an easy one to talk about. And it, you know, it doesn't work that well in some ways, obviously. I want it to. I'm not against democracy, of course, being an American, but it doesn't, you know, it's hard. So, no, I agree. I think the big change is the deep state.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
These institutions were taken over by incredibly dumb, short-sighted, selfish people. I don't think the problem is, you know, having an elite. The problem is having an inadequate, mediocre, selfish elite that doesn't actually like the country they're running. So that's just my personal editorial position on that. But I see what you're saying. I mean, I've seen it a lot.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I want to get back to something you said at the very beginning, which is the corrupting effect on America, the country, the place of 350 million people of this kind of behavior and the bleeding over of these tactics into our country. Yeah. So, like, for example, the one thing that really shocked me about these disclosures was that a lot of our domestic media is government media.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I didn't know that. Politico, which is garbage, utterly garbage publication, and it's become much worse, I would say, in the past five or six years, takes $8 million a year from the government, sort of. Secretly? Sort of? Semi-secretly? What's that?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I mean, Politico Pro, there's literally, it's written by 25-year-olds. You know, there's like nothing in there that's real. They're paying off Politico.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Well, and to smear me. As a Russian agent. Right. That's been reported. It's out there. It's proven. So my tax dollars go to impugning my character and calling me a disloyal American. At a certain point, you're like, we kind of need a revolution. I mean, that's why should we put up with that for a second?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
You know, what if there's no legal process, by the way? I mean, it's not like people went to court and were found guilty or anything. We just took the stuff. Well, well, this is this.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
What do their families think?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
They really become hated in the rest of the world by behaving this way.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I understand exactly what you're saying. I don't think Americans even now really understand the degree to which our foreign policy establishment uses other countries, particularly the Five Eyes, the other English-speaking intel services, against us here.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Oh, I know. I know some of those leaders and they don't want our aid at all. Right.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So in September, we went across the country, coast to coast, 17 different cities on a nationwide live tour. And it was amazing. We brought the entire staff with us like we always do because we all work together for so long. and enjoy traveling together. And one of our producers is a documentary filmmaker.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And so he decided to make a documentary film about our trip, a full month across America with some of the most interesting people around. Different people join us every single night. Bon Gino and Russell Brand and Bobby Kennedy and J.D. Vance and Donald Trump, et cetera, et cetera. We had the best time. And the fruit of that is a documentary called On the Road, the Tucker Carlson Live Tour,
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
which is available right now on TCN. On the road, Tucker Carlson live tour is hilarious. You will like it. So I got an email from a friend of mine, a text from a friend of mine yesterday is such a wonderful guy, actually conservative Trump fan, but a recipient of USAID money. And he said, it's totally corrupt. You're right. But he goes, they don't understand.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
You're going to tank the economy of Northern Virginia if you shut this bigot off. Right. And I thought maybe that's the one perspective people watching in the U.S. don't understand is how totally dependent the D.C. metro area is on foreign policy spending. Yeah. It's not making it to Congo. It's stopping in Arlington.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
You know, I've almost never met a British reporter in the United States who wasn't acting on behalf of some intel service against the United States. It's like, it's absolutely crazy. I dealt with one today, actually.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So, but I guess what I hear you saying is Americans, when they learn just how corrupt the system is, may lose faith in their country.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Yeah, kind of. Wait, can I just ask you to pause and just remind us why exactly the Obama State Department would want to topple, say, the government of Egypt? Um...
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Thank you. Thank you.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I get it. I'm just less confident than you are that we're reaping some massive reward for this. I mean, I remember people muttering darkly about, you know, the purpose of the Iraq war in 2003 was to seize the oil in Iraq. Well, that didn't happen. Didn't happen in Libya. I mean, I don't – it's hard to – I guess I don't have a clear picture of the material benefits that we're receiving from this.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I just I don't I don't think it's a holistic view of it. First, it assumes that the interests of big publicly traded companies are identical to those of the United States, which is not true. Second, it assumes that weak neighbors make a strong America. Also not true. Destroying the economy of Western Europe is actually not in our long-term interest at all. It just helps China.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And it changes the balance of power globally east. That is not in our interest at all. And so I'm not confident. I think the people running this are dumb fucks, actually. I don't think they know what they're doing. I don't think they even understand, you know, the big picture grand game type diplomacy. I just don't think they're capable of it. I think they're dumb. They're like on Twitter. And...
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So I just don't have confidence in their judgment, I guess is what I'm saying. Right. Is that fair? No, I think it is. Because if your measure is like short-term stock spikes, okay, those are pretty easy to affect. That's like, you know, but that's not the same as like long-term prosperity. Right. But maybe they're smarter than me. I'm the dumb one.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
That's that's clearly true. I just I just I you know, I think that American business interests have a very obvious recent history of trading short term profits for.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
national interest is if we're not going to completely agree I mean companies basically owned by the sovereign wealth funds of our rivals who are only here to benefit from our enforcement of copyright etc etc no sense really American why are we like wrecking the world for their benefit you know
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
So I just want to end on the just to get deeper, if you don't mind, into this question of the effect of our foreign policy on our domestic life. And you just can't escape the suspicion that our politics are really volatile. We're way less free than we were. In part because of, you know, methods of control refined overseas.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Like, I just look back the last five years and I'm like, everything you've said about what USAID and NED and all these other groups or State Department are doing abroad, I'm just seeing that here.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And I feel like that was so obviously fake. Like this armed robber, porn star, drug addict gets dies of a drug OD on the street after passing, you know, a counterfeit bill. And like all of a sudden America collapses. Come on, dude. Right, right. Well, And Osama bin Laden planned 9-11. I'm like, the whole thing is just too dumb for me. I can't deal with it.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Okay, now here we go.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
I've been targeted by NewsGuard, so I know.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But I mean, treating U.S. citizens like you would treat foreign enemies or adversaries is something I never imagined would happen. But it is happening.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Of course, populism is democracy. Demand for majority rule.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Can I just ask you something? So the Nina Jankowicz famously was, you know, played a censor domestic censorship role, absurd, absolutely absurd figure, like pulled from tick tock, but human. she gets fired because people are like, who is this woman? And she winds up at USAID.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But they're recipients of USAID money, aren't they?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But a lot of these people, I mean, I just, you know, being a kid in D.C. and you'd meet people who had served in the foreign policy apparatus and, you know, whatever they were doing, killing Mossadegh or whatever. But they were pretty smart, I thought. I always thought. I mean, they were. It seems like the current generation is a lot of Nina Jankowicz's, like, just sort of low IQ people.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Well, you know, people like, do you know? I mean, what's the caliber of the people administering these programs?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
And by the way, growing up, my dad worked with USAID. It was called USAID, not USAID. To make it clear to everybody, it was not an aid organization. Now they call it USAID.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
for the foreign work is the fiscal sponsor of fjp the this group that is you know liaising with uh you know all these uh prosecutors and securing these pledges why can i just ask when let me just ask a final question um just to kind of okay so from everything you've said um and particularly your point that the grants haven't stopped the staff has gone they've been twitterized but the money's still flowing and it's just going to move to the state department
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
which oversees USAID anyway, you need some way to stop the poison that they're inspiring overseas from coming in here. Why couldn't you just get a variety of the Smith Act again that said there's like no destabilization effort, there's no society changing effort, there's really no effort that we project abroad that can be brought here?
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Well, and that's the point, is that the things that we do abroad affects us here. We're paying the Ukrainian government and they're assassinating people, like literally assassinating people, trying to assassinate American citizens, fact. Selling weapons to the drug cartels in Mexico, fact. And you end up like wrecking your own country with the things that you do abroad.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Mike Benz, you can go on forever. It was your reporting, your dogged, single-minded, almost monomaniacal, I will say, effort to bring, you know, to public view this web that I think started all of this. It is a vindication, by the way. I know you have mixed feelings about it and you're worried about the whole edifice collapsing, which is a fair concern.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
But I do think, you know, anyone who called you a nutcase has to apologize at this point.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
Stopping the trainee dance contests.
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
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Mike Benz Takes Us Down the USAID Rabbit Hole (It’s Worse Than You Think)
government agencies, acronyms you don't recognize, and you've described an entire complex that affects censorship, regime change, all kinds of sinister unconstitutional outcomes that most Americans don't know they're paying for. And I'm from D.C., so as you've explained this to me a couple of times, it all has made total sense.
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
So, Andrew, thank you for doing this. So, you're so controversial. I love that. Yeah, married man with six kids who pays his taxes. You're so controversial. Very. Controversial would be not paying your credit card bill and, you know, putting the banks out of business, convincing other people to do the same, not paying your federal taxes, forcing the U.S.
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
So I'll say I'm not an evangelical. I've always liked the evangelicals. I've always defended them. I'm very sympathetic. I'm not even exactly sure what an evangelical is. It seems more like a cultural descriptor. But I'm completely opposed to abortion. So that has been, for me, the reason that I've always defended them. But I always thought...
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
that the evangelicals were really forthright about their faith, another thing that I liked.
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
And were way more on the kind of fire and brimstone side, which I'm for, by the way.
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
But you're saying that they're not.
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That's the attitude that people ask you to pause just to state for the one millionth time. The Nazis were not Christians.
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No. Yeah. Yeah. More Christians were killed by the Nazis than any other group, just a fact. So anyway, no, the Nazis were not Christians. I'm sorry.
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And you can reject it. You can reject Christianity itself. And you're certainly welcome to in this country and in all countries, actually. But it doesn't just say this parenthetically. No. It's like included in a sidebar. It says it again and again and again. And in the church I grew up in, they're like, well, there are only four times where.
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You know, in the scriptures where people, you know, where homosexuality is attacked. And it's like, since no one ever read it in my church, no one knew. But like, I finally read it. What the hell? Why not read it? And I did. And... And I've never been anti-gay or anything like that. But by the end, I was like, oh, there's a really clear message.
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From like the Hebrew scriptures all the way through the Christian to the New Testament. And like again and again and again. So, you know, again, you don't have to believe it. But if you're a believing Christian, it works. It's not whispered at all. Yeah, you do.
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And our proxies have banned the majority Christian faith. Yes. Banned the majority Christian faith, the majority faith, which is Christian, in Ukraine. And I just wonder, just to go back to the atheists for a second. Yeah. What do they make of this? I certainly understand being agnostic. I don't know. I get it. Yeah, I can see why someone would have that viewpoint. For sure.
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It's so sad to hear you say that about Minnesota. As a Scandinavian, I always thought of it, was told, you know, it's like where all the Swedes are. And it's kind of, you know, lots of saunas and, you know, red cheek children and it's clean and reasonable, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the case anymore. Why did you leave there?
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I think that's a pretty normal place to be. I think it's wrong, but I don't think it's crazy. But to be an atheist, to have determined... that there is no God. Like, what do you make of the things you see around you if you never held someone's hand while he dies? Like, what do you think that is? Yeah. You never felt anything that is clearly outside of what science describes?
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Like, how determined are you to ignore... Your life. Yeah. Yeah. That you become an atheist. Like, what is that? I know it's crazy.
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Okay, well, then why is murder wrong?
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Well, because it is. Because it is. Well, okay, I think it's right. Yeah. So how can you tell me it's wrong? By what authority? Yeah, yeah. Because you feel that way? That's your authority? Your emotions? And you would see this. I remember... So, like, the people you were saying who are atheists, like, are they ever... Some of them are smart, I assume. Yeah, yeah.
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what's so sad is i knew christopher very well and always liked him enormously for his erudition his ability to recite long passages of poetry you know philip larkin and orwell and you know he was just a he you know he's a reader like a real a dedicated lifelong reader and a wonderful dinner and lunch companion i had many many highly drunken dinners with him before i quit drinking and uh
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But he was such—and so I love Christopher—but he was a moralizer. Whoa.
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And I never—I was much younger, 25 years younger than I am now, and I never sort of put it to my mind, like, how can an atheist be a moralizer? Yeah. It doesn't even make any sense, actually. Yeah. And I agreed to them on some things and disagreed on others, but he was always, like, in the pulpit, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the atheists are.
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It's hilarious.
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Under the weight of its own silliness.
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Yeah. It's in us. We can't get away from the conviction, the true conviction that some things are right and some things are wrong.
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But an atheist would have to, by definition, be utterly nonjudgmental about everything. You would think they should be, but they're the most judgmental people. It's unbelievable. I mean, Christopher at dinner was always lecturing about the Kurds. And I'm nothing against the Kurds. I don't know much about the Kurds. I ran into them in Iraq. They were the most bloodthirsty people in Iraq.
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government to pay attention to its own citizens. You're doing none of that. So as far as I'm concerned, you're a non-controversial law-abiding man. But you are doing one thing that's pretty wild, which is participating in the building of a new town. It sounds almost like a Christian utopian experiment in Tennessee, but I don't really know. Can you tell me what it is and why you're doing it?
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I did notice that. Again, I'm not against the Kurds. I'm not an expert in Kurdishness. But he, man, he would lay down his life for the Kurds. I remember thinking, what is this? And it was the need to sort of find a good guy and a bad guy and put yourself on the good guy's side.
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And that's human. It's human. We want that. That's totally true. So what did you say to your church when you left?
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What did the other churches in the state say as the state itself became a place that faithful Christians couldn't live?
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Lots of luck to them.
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They never admitted that in our church.
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And the prescriptions or the prohibitions, more precisely, are surprisingly sensible. Yeah. And one of the challenges to atheism is to explain why the atheist would agree with the overwhelming majority of what's prohibited. Yeah. Because it's in him. He knows that's wrong. Don't have sex with your sister. Oh, okay. And most people, most atheists would be like... Yeah, well, obviously.
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But of course, he has no grounds upon which to say that. There's literally no law he can appeal to to say that.
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I think that's right. But I also think in primitive cultures that have never had exposure to Christianity, I mean, I don't know that they're... Are many cultures where most of the prohibitions in Leviticus would be considered crazy? No. Or esoteric or like, why would you ban that? It's like, everyone would be like, of course.
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He's a good man.
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I totally, first of all, thank you for saying that. Second, I feel what you're saying, especially with evangelicals. I look at these, you know, greaseball preachers who I honestly, I find disgusting. And then I see the people who go to their churches and I'm like, oh, I love you. You're exactly my kind of people. You're the most decent people in this country.
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You're trying your very hardest against headwinds that are so unfair. And you're doing a great job anyway. And I just love that. I really mean it. I love them. So I never want to criticize.
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Because. Yeah. Yeah.
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And I will say for Trump, whatever people think of Trump, I know Trump well enough to have talked to him about this kind of stuff away from cameras. And his affection, love, gratitude toward those specific people is totally real. Yeah. And you can argue about whether, you know, which policies serve those people best or whatever. But it all, the leadership begins with love.
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If you don't love the people you lead, you'll mistreat them.
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Right. But it's totally real. Yeah. And completely real. And it's emotional. Yeah. And he's like, I love those people. Yeah. And he eats McDonald's in private. Yeah. So that is I just want to say that because I know that for a fact, you know, a lot of politics is obviously fake. And yeah, but that part, that specific part of Trump, like loving people like that. Oh, man.
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With the despise and cheerful too.
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Wonderful people. Yeah. I live in a place with a lot of people like that. And, you know, every third person has a child or grandson who's died of a drug OD and like, there's no year round work and there's just a lot of problems. And these are like, You can pull into their driveway on a Sunday and they will just, they'll have a six pack and they'll give you two of them.
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I mean, they really are just the most generous, kind, hilarious, wise, just good people. The best. The best that this country's ever produced, in my opinion.
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And I'm not from those people at all. So I'm like coming at this like, wow, these people are incredible.
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I've never thought of that before. So dispensationalism, for those who haven't followed it, is normally criticized and defended because of its interpretation of what biblical Israel is now. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, it's a super electric topic, both theologically and politically. And people get utterly hysterical about it and start calling you names or whatever. So there's that.
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But you're saying that... the deeper or a deeper problem with it is that it makes people pessimistic. Yeah. Can you flesh it out a little bit?
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Please don't neglect the pine. Oh, yeah. I know it's a fast-growing tree, relatively speaking, but it's beautiful. It's the answer. And cedars, if you can, if you have water.
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Since you're a preacher and Old Testament scholar, what was the inside of the temple clad with?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's right, yeah. An accident? He was pretty specific about it.
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Maybe there's a reason my sauna has cedar on the inside. That's right.
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So that's when you go Randy Weaver at that point. Yeah, for sure. And you don't want to go Randy Weaver. Like it didn't end well for Randy Weaver.
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So go to acncountry.com to enjoy everything they have, including their 24-7 live stream. We hope you will. I'm sorry, I've gone so far afield. But so your point is that dispensationalism not only has specious theological elements, which I think very obviously it does. By the way, the whole theology was like... laid out in the end notes. It's not actually in the Bible.
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It's like interpretation in that version of the Bible.
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Yeah, that's my read as a non-theologian, but it does seem incredibly silly, but sincere. Sure.
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A lot of people I really like and respect believe it, so I just want to say that. But you're saying that the cost is even deeper because it changes your worldview and makes it very difficult for you to engage in the labor of, for example, loving people around you and building something beautiful, which are also Christian imperatives.
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Nobody does.
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For the first 1800 years?
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Yeah, it seems like that theology is dying. That's just my sense, but I'd be the last to really know.
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I wasn't even aware of that. So the idea was 1988.
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No, I mean, that's not obviously the rapture, but, you know, whatever, we'll take it.
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And his boldness is really shocking. Yes. People haven't read it before. Yes. The rage that he displays at the leadership.
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The religious leadership is just like it's nothing else.
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I think it says they understood it was about them.
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But talk about speaking truth to power. I mean, like, I don't know how that Jesus was kept for me as a, you know, lifelong churchgoer. I have no idea. Yeah. But you just read it. I would recommend everyone read it. Non-Christians alike.
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It says that only about a thousand times in every book of the New Testament. So to come to the opposite conclusion does make you sort of wonder, like, have you read it?
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Well, it's all through the New Testament. And in fact, Jesus calls out repeatedly –
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Gentiles as the most faithful.
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Yes. The Roman officer.
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The second revolt, it's normally said to be 70.
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The Romans, it's actually crazy the effort that they, I mean, I'm sure you've been there to the site. I haven't. Maybe one day. Oh, you should go. Jerusalem is the most amazing city.
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anyway but um but they just went to such a great effort to separate every stone destroy everything so how much they didn't just burn it and sack it okay got it but they actually dismantled it yes piece by piece how many slaves did that take how much money did that take how much effort human effort did why would you do that why would you bother to do that yeah
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Six generations. That's just, I had no idea. That's so much to give up. It must have been.
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So, okay, I just want, and I'm so sorry for the discursions, but I want to get to your destination, which is Tennessee. Yeah, yeah. Can you be a lot more specific about what you're doing there? I know there have been attempts to paint this as some sort of... white supremacist enclave or theocracy or whatever, what actually is it? Can you describe it?
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There's no place for people to congregate and have an actual community.
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The fact that there's a church at the center of it is a red flag for the authorities in most places. And certainly for the cultural commentators and the media. If it was any other religious institution, of course, it would be great. That would be your community.
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Right. Or the illegal alien communities in Texas or whatever. But a Christian church is... Thank you.
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I want to get back to the Ridge Runner and the town that's being built, which I assume is a fascist Christian theocracy. That's what the TV news in Nashville has said.
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Thank you very much.
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Why do you think so that the three, I mean, I have my own theories, but you've lived it much more personally than I have. So you tell me, why do you think states like Minnesota, Oregon, Washington, California have gone to a place that I think by any objective global standard, there's no country in the world that would nod and say that's okay, except maybe the UK. Yeah. How did they get there?
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I mean, not to point to genetics, but it's real. It's Germans, it's Scandinavians, Norwegians, Swedes, some Finns. It's like these are gentle, non-confrontational people for the most part.
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No, it does. I mean, I come from a family like that with some of them have strong views, but they would never impose their views on you under any circumstances. They're just not in them. It's a very specific Northern European culture where they just don't want to. Don't want to get in your face.
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Unix went out with the Ming Dynasty.
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I have contempt for them.
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So my theory is that those are the most secular states. Yeah. and maine is another one of the most secular states unfortunately and those trends are rising there as well yeah famously and there's something about that you know lots of left-wing ideas that or liberal ideas or socialist ideas that like Well, I don't disagree with all of them, honestly, but a lot of them I really disagree with.
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But the transgender thing, the abortion thing, human sacrifice, and turning your children into eunuchs, those are so clearly expressions of cultish religion, of pagan religion. Yeah. That like, I can't turn away. I'm like, the Canaanites did this.
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This is not, you claim you're secular. You're not secular at all. These are religious rituals.
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There's like a really absurd person posing as like a genius who was one of the leader. There are probably a bunch of, but who was the most famous one? Oh, like Richard Dawkins or Daniel Dennett or Christopher Hitchens. I knew Hitchens well.
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He was legit smart.
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Who's James Lindsay?
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
I'm all for a free liberal society. It's just that they're – There isn't one. Either you're moving quickly toward... I mean, I will never give up my views of... I will never stop being liberal on the most basic level, which is I actually don't want to control you or your beliefs because I don't think you're a slave. I think you're a human being because God made you. Absolutely. That's my view.
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
Yeah. And so I don't want to break down people's doors to make sure they're adhering to what I believe at all. I hate that. However... You're either moving toward order or you're moving toward chaos. You're moving toward a society rooted in some sort of transcendent belief or you're moving toward traneism, which is another transcendent belief. It's like you pick a religion.
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
So much better put than I could have formulated that. But yes, exactly, perfectly put, exactly. You're going to worship something, and now we're worshiping something really, really dark as a society. But it's particularly pronounced in the states that have abandoned Christianity the most aggressively. Absolutely. And come up with this new pagan religion.
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Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
So, okay, so this is going on in your state. You're the six generations in one town. Boy, that's got to be pretty rare right now. You've got six children. You have a child buried in the cemetery along with all your ancestors. And you leave all of that. what's going on in your church? Were you a churchgoer at the time?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Especially because, again, Purdue Pharma didn't make lots of famous cancer drugs or antibiotics. They basically just made opioids.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So how does the rebate work exactly?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
How much did this play out during COVID? I mean, these systems affected how we responded to COVID, correct?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So the profit motive is designed to improve the quality of goods and services. That's what we've been taught. So in other words, if I pay more for a hotel, if I stay at the Four Seasons instead of Motel 6, I get a nicer room. If I pay more for a car, I get a nicer car. We pay more for healthcare than any country in the world, but we have crappy healthcare. Yeah.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So I think what's changed, and this is maybe something that it's taken me a while to figure out, maybe it's all right now, because I do think of health insurance that way, just as I think of collision insurance or fire insurance. You know, how to fire used insurance work great. That's it.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
But the addition of chronic disease to America, where like, you know, the majority of the population has a chronic disease, that means that it's not catastrophic coverage. It's a maintenance program that you're paying for.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Where do you think health insurers are of the system that they preside over? Like, do they understand what's happening?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So health insurance is a fairly new idea?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
It is. And I'm going to ask a ton of dumb questions because I'm uninformed. What's the difference between an HMO and like pre-1980s health insurance?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
There are no independent primary care.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
That's so interesting. So, I mean, doctors were associated with surgery. That's why they're called sawbones. Psychiatrists were, you know, talkers. You know, let's talk about your mother. The whole system, every part of medicine seems totally focused on drugs now.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
This health insurance CEO is murdered on the street on Sixth Avenue in New York a couple of weeks ago. And the reaction to it is not what I expected. You know, 41% of younger people say they support the murderer. And on the one hand, you think, well, you know, clearly there's a spiritual crisis in the country. That's nihilism. There's no defending murdering a guy, any guy, in my opinion.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
No, it's fascinating.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
You haven't mentioned doctors, really. It doesn't sound like they're getting rich from this.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
The people getting rich are the parasites, right? They're not providing any actual services.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
The cash model that you operate under, is that the future?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Wait, wait, hold on. You're saying that health insurance companies would intentionally keep people from knowing about a catastrophic illness.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
delay step two deny now i've i've obstructed your ability to get to that and an example would be a chronic disease like i'm sorry i'm just fixated here and to note the obvious so what you're saying is that they don't want you to know that you could develop a life-threatening illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
But like pancreatic cancer, for example, has a survival rate that's in the single digits. But if caught early, it is survivable. And there are many other examples.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
And so- So that would suggest that if chemotherapy is a profit center, then- I mean, I would assume it's overused.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Well, I believe that.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Yeah. I mean, they do. They may not have enough R&D and they make, you know, addictive drugs and that's all bad, but they do make things. Yeah. I don't know. So, but just, I just want to clear this up. Do you think it's possible, it sounds likely maybe that chemotherapy is overprescribed?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
It's really simple. As a non-physician, non-college graduate, let me just say, if the suicide rate goes up, they're not working. And the suicide rate has gone up. So like, it's just, there's kind of no getting around that. That's just very simple.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
100%.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
It's provable. Yes, I believe you. Yeah. No, it's a national tragedy. It's a lot. I just know from years of covering mass shootings on television, if you ask the question, was the shooter on SSRIs, you get shouted down immediately. You get called into the office, conspiracy theory. Then what's the answer then? And the answer is all of them are.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Yeah, well, we have a drug problem that's causing a mental health problem, in my opinion. Yep. But yes, no, people, you know, I don't even take Advil, I feel great. So that's my feeling on it. Sorry, I know you own a pharmacy, but just go.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
I totally believe that. But I also think that they're big. Well, that is absolutely true. And dogs. But there are structural problems, too. If you're a mother of a bunch of small kids and you have to work... to support your family, there's something wrong with our economy. I mean, that's totally unnatural. It's totally unnatural. And by the way, no person can pull that off adequately.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
I don't care what anybody says, and I'm sick of lying about it. It's absolutely impossible to have a full-time job and be a full-time mom to small kids. It's just not enough time. It doesn't matter how hard you try, how brilliant you are. I think there are a lot of super hardworking moms, but there's just not enough time in the day to pull that off.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So that was not the state of play the year I was born. People who had kids and were married, they could get by on one income.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So who pays? The drug banker pays the pharmacy?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So what would you say at the outset that Trump has said he would like to get rid of the pharmacy benefit managers? What would that mean?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So they've done a secret deal that you don't know about as a patient to steer you towards certain drugs and away from other drugs. Absolutely.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
And federal regulators don't know that?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So if I'm a health insurance lobbyist and I'm trying to convince the administration or the Congress not to get rid of pharmacy benefit managers, what argument am I making?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So they control the baseline, so they control the outcome of the equation.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Well, exactly. How many people die of acetaminophen every year? A lot. Thousands. Many thousands. Right. It's just an over-the-counter drug that is, by the way, useful. I'm not attacking it. But even a drug as simple as that can kill you.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Do you have confidence that Bobby Kennedy will get confirmed? And if so, can sort some of this out?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
If you want to know who is sincere about fixing the corruption, they're the ones who are going to have trouble getting confirmed.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Right. Yep. So the people who are no threat at all, you know, who are just supporters of the status quo and who are, in effect, supporting the corruption, they're fine. Yeah. But, you know, they hate Tulsi Gabbard. Boy, they really hate Tulsi Gabbard. So if you're wondering if Tulsi Gabbard's sincere, look at the reaction she's getting. She's sincere. And same with Bobby.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
I do think Bobby has such a huge national constituency at this point. I did a couple Trump events before the election, and Trump got the biggest applause, of course. It was a Trump event. But Bobby got a pretty close second. I mean, he's not just some random guy. He is a national leader.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
It's crazy.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Okay, so as I said at the outset, I've opted out of the system just through negligence and craziness. I'm just not going to the doctor, which I'm sure I'll pay for at some point. I'm just too mad to go to the doctor. But let's say you're saner than I am and, you know, wanted to go to the doctor but didn't want to participate in what's clearly a corrupt and distorting system. What are your options?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
They're too corrupt. I actually didn't. plan this interview to be like an ad for your business. But this sounds really interesting. Where do you get this?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Last question, why wouldn't you cover that could you have a federal health insurance cover that? That's the hope. Or would that destroy it?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Well, Congress requires the insurance companies to cover all kinds of things. So this is the opposite of a free market.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Well, it's complicated, but also the big picture makes absolute sense.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Why would it be important for the Atlantic, which works on behalf of the CIA, in fact, But why would it be important for them to lie about something like the link between diet and cancer?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
I didn't.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
So can we, in a nod to my personal ignorance, I should just say, I don't know. I don't go to the doctor. I don't know what my health insurance plan is. I just have no, you know, once the COVID thing happened, I was like, I'm not going to the doctor. And I haven't. So I'm a little bit out of it. I'm not as knowledgeable as most Americans on how exactly this works. Can you...
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Of all the things you could attack that people say, why would people be angry at you for saying this? It's just interesting to me.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
I was a magazine reporter and I know, you know, I know what it's like to be told by your editor, you know, you should do a piece on this. And you have to think like, well, I'm probably being used in some way to settle some score or whatever. But if someone said like attack someone for saying that there might be a link between what you eat and your health, I would say, I'm not going to do that.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
However, it also reveals, so I'm not in any sense justifying it. I think it's appalling. But there's a lot of latent hostility toward the insurance companies. And I want to understand that more. I mean, I hate them, but I don't really know why I hate them.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Do you know what I mean? Of all the villains in the world, why am I attacking the guy who's pointing out, first of all, it's been very obvious.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
walk through the average person's experience of health insurance and medical care. Yeah, absolutely. So let's say I'm a 40-year-old woman. Women go to the doctor annually, I think most do, so they use the doctor more. How much is this person paying for insurance? Where's that money coming from? What's the experience like?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Oh, I certainly don't take it. Yeah, yeah. No chance.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Yeah, I mean, it's one thing for, you know, Ozempic to be made abroad, but, you know, antibiotics are necessary and those should be made here. Yeah. Just for reasons of national security. Absolutely. Brigham, thank you very much. Thank you for having me. I know it was a lot. That was the best. I'm going to, you're going to affect my sleep, but I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thanks, man.
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Yes.
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
Wait, so Purdue Pharma, to be clear, was basically just OxyContin, right?
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Brigham Buhler: UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassination, & the Mass Monetization of Chronic Illness
That was, I mean, they didn't have like an entire.
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Catherine Fitts: Bankers vs. the West, Secret Underground Bases, and the Oncoming Extinction Event
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Catherine Fitts: Bankers vs. the West, Secret Underground Bases, and the Oncoming Extinction Event
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So can we just go through, since I think you're, as I've said many times, and I mean it, I think you're one of the great reporters still working. Not that there are many. Not that there's a ton of competition.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And you are, by your nature, a curious person, which is like requirement one. For journalism and like the one thing no one else seems curious about, I think, but you are. So can you just just go through in no particular order the stories whose endings you'd like to know? Like, what are you curious about as we enter an age of disclosure? God willing, we do. What do you want to know?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Okay.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Do you think it was Blinken? You know, I think Blinken's so evil, so demonstrably evil and also stupid that I just see his fingerprints everywhere. Right, right. But that's just a pure guess.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I know that in the last two months, Blinken did everything he could to accelerate the war between the United States and Russia, which is like – should be illegal. I don't know how he got away with that. Nobody said anything about it, but that's a fact.
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Let's start with the big question.
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Do you believe that? I think it's really obvious that his statement dropping out on Twitter was issued before he knew.
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I mean, that's a coup. If you take a sitting president of the United States and force him to drop out, I mean, right?
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So that was after the Republican convention. Yes. Yes. So you had this incredible week or two where Trump gets shot. survives, you have the convention and Biden drops out. I mean, that's... And as far as I know, I don't think anyone's ever done like a real TikTok on that.
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Do you have any sense of what the answer is to either one of these questions? Who was functionally operating the Biden administration and who kicked Biden out? Who made these decisions?
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And then domestic policy, which doesn't even really exist in this country. It's all national security, like it runs everything. Right, right. Who's doing that? Yeah.
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No, it's so funny as you say this, and I won't interrupt you anymore, but I just can't. I mean, it's like crazy. You're going through this stuff. This just happened this summer. Yeah. And I was there. I mean, I know a lot of the people. I feel like I'm not that informed, but maybe more informed than average because it's my job. I kind of forgot about all this stuff. Like so much stuff has happened.
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It's like, It's amazing. Yeah. What we have allowed to sort of pass by us without demanding answers.
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I mean, you've done this your whole life, so you know, and you grew up in it. So you must still know people in that gigantic press corps.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Also broke the story that the United States, NATO, the Biden administration was behind the sabotage of Nord Stream, the natural gas pipeline to Western Europe, to Germany. And I mean, that's on the list, too, obviously. But that's – I mean, I think we can say that's true. And, I mean, why isn't Cy Hersh getting the Pulitzer for that?
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So Fauci was part of the U.S. bioweapons program, obviously, right? I mean, if you're funding gain-of-function, It's, you know, vaccines are one part of that, but probably not the only part of it, right? So the idea is you make the virus more dangerous in order to create a vaccine to fight the virus. Right. But in the process, you wind up with much more dangerous viruses.
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He was immediately – this guy's been a hero on the left for my entire life. Before I was born, he was a hero on the left. And all of a sudden, everyone's like, shut up, Putin apologist. Yeah.
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oh i know i know i mean i'm sorry i'm you know all this is just oh it drives me insane it drives me insane not only are there almost no good reporters left the few good reporters left are like attacked all the time yeah no they've all been kicked to the curb uh you know
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I mean, and Jeff Gerth, for people who were, you know, under 40, was definitely one of the most famous investigative reporters in the world. And feared. Yeah. New York Times front page. Worst.
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I happen to know. So that's good. That would be great to know. They do. So, okay. But Nord Stream, don't forget. Okay, so Nord Stream. Let's go to Nord Stream. And now I'm going to stop interrupting. Nord Stream. What do we know?
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That could have started the German economy. It will destroy the EU. Ultimately, when people wake up from their dream state, it will destroy NATO because it was an attack by one NATO power on a NATO ally. Another NATO member was attacked by the United States on Germany. And it wrecked the German economy.
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It was the greatest man-made emission of carbon dioxide in history.
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Don't you think? I think that's right. I like Western Europe. I think it's important to have a thriving Western Europe. I don't think they're a rival. I think they're a complementary region to the United States. And to see it destroyed intentionally by the Biden administration, look, it's just wreck Western Europe. Like, why would you do that? And so I'm fixated on it, but you're right.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So what are the others? So COVID?
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The question is, will that information reach the public? Because there is the intermediaries, the media. So like congressional investigators, executive branch agencies like DOJ, you know, they're constantly inspectors general. They're always releasing reports. And I'm like, no one reads them because nobody picks them up in the media. Do we have...
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enough interested reporters to disseminate what they find.
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Yes. Yeah. So my interest is not in Fauci. I think any normal person can make up his mind about Fauci. It's pretty obvious who Fauci is. The super bureaucrat. It's in the bioweapon programs and the Frankenstein science that's being funded by our tax dollars around the world to be specific in Ukraine, in China, in Djibouti. And we have biolabs. in a lot of places around the world.
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So you normally save this for the end, but I'm feeling so enthusiastic. I'm going to do it now in case people don't get to the end. Where do people find you? How do they support you if you've made it this far in this conversation? You're like, this guy's unbelievable. I'm sorry, shamelessly promote for just one second.
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Racket, so not squash racket.
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On January 6th, Julie Kelly, I don't even know what she did before. She's purely kind of a creation of the internet. Well, she's a self-creation, but her medium was the internet and X specifically. And she just got mad about January 6th and just relentlessly focused on that. I'm sure she has other opinions, but she only did that. And I mean, man, this one woman...
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and I think she's my age-ish, like, unearthed all this information that was like, no one else got it except her because she was just so focused on this thing.
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You wonder, again, I'm delaying you in your narrative once more with apologies, but you wonder even just the four topics you've mentioned so far are so big that if we got the truth or some higher percentage of the truth about those things, you wonder about the social effect.
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So one of the things the censors always say is they're doing this or preventing you from knowing certain things to preserve societal stability.
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And trust in institutions. Trust in institutions. Exactly. Trust in institutions. So, I mean, that's already gone away, but it will evaporate completely the more we know, don't you think?
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Two Politico reporters having left Politico admitted that Politico, which is supposedly covering Washington, told them, no, we're not doing that.
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So everyone's mad that – and even some Democrats, I think, are mad about these last-minute Biden pardons of Fauci and the J6 committee, et cetera, et cetera. So let's just set that aside. My concern is not that these people are punished. Fauci is 81. Yeah, who cares? I think he'll be punished in some larger sense. I want to know what they did. That's the.
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I guess, look, if you want trust in institutions, and I definitely do. I do. I grew up trusting institutions. I don't now. That's their fault, not mine. I think your country doesn't work if nobody trusts any of the institutions, right? It just doesn't. So we want that. The only way to that is through transparency, honesty, trust. So I get all that, and I'm for it vehemently.
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I guess what I'm saying is the people who've been administering the system and benefiting from it are completely freaked out, right? That's why they're trying to stop Tulsi. But I wonder if they get threatened enough... if they don't become like just flat out dangerous to everybody else.
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Like the only way to stop disclosure at this point would be with like a catastrophe that's so all encompassing, 9-11, COVID, that it just, everything shuts down. All trends and progress stop. And I just feel like there's a lot at stake for these people. If you're, you know, John Brennan or Jim Clapper, and you're like a criminal or Mike Pompeo, you're a criminal.
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That's my opinion, but I think they're obviously criminals.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So this was my thinking about, you know, the, the period between the election and the inauguration this week. I think that's one of the reasons that Tony Blinken was pushing so hard for a real war, trying to kill Putin, for example, which the Biden administration did. They tried to kill Putin.
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Yes, they did. Wow. Which is insane. If like, okay, so who takes over Russia? Right. And what happens to the nuclear arsenal is, In a country that's like so complex, outsiders can't even understand. I mean, you live there, you know. That's demented that you would even think of something like that. Absolutely. So why were they? Because chaos is a screen that protects them.
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I mean, I don't know this. That's just like watching what they're doing. I'm like, why would they be doing that? Part of it is because like, it's like when you're taking off for the roof of the embassy in Saigon, you burn all the papers, right? Absolutely. But they can't because they're digital. So maybe you need like a war to hide your tracks.
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I was sitting about six feet away and I just thought, wow, I can't believe this is actually happening. Up until the second he said the oath, I was like, man, You know, I mean, you just get superstitious or paranoid or whatever it is, having seen all this stuff. And I was embarrassed to have those thoughts. I agree. I totally agree. I was like, wow, I'm becoming crazy. Yeah.
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But it's not totally crazy when you see the pattern. But I guess the point I would make is it's like we're not – the process has not unfolded fully yet. So, like, there's still a lot that we don't know. Disclosure is, as you've said – like imminent and that sets up an incentive for the people being exposed to do something really crazy.
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I totally ignored it. I ignore all coverage that in any way pertains to me. I don't want to become self-conscious. So I didn't spend, you know, one second thinking about it. I've had a couple other things and one other thing, particularly in the last year, that was like so shocking. I never thought about it again. Because you just don't... I'm sure you've been through this.
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I mean, you were, speaking of mistreated, I'm not going to bring it up, but you were identified as disobedient. And I mean, they tried to end you. I watched it. Yeah. So you shrug it off or whatever, but you shrug it off. But from my perspective, it's always, you see things clearly when you're looking at someone else's life. Sure. Absolutely. I didn't even know you at the time.
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I was like, why are they trying to kill this guy? Yeah. Right. Well, they were. And that's my interpretation of it anyway. Okay. But you can't brood on it.
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I mean, this is the guy who... Can you believe Jay Patachari, who I love? He's a thoroughly decent man, by the way, in addition to being right on the science, but he's a decent guy.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
He's the head of NIH?
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just practicing, you know, clinical physicians, right? Did they know? My wife's a doctor. Okay, I didn't know if you wanted to say that. You're married to a doctor. So did they know, like they, it was kept from them too. Like they didn't. Yeah, I mean. Your average like emergency room physician was like aware that a lot of the COVID propaganda was fake.
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Do you think that, as we unearth more about COVID, that the biggest question of all, which was, what was the point of that? Clearly, it was the point. I mean, if every part of the society was coordinated and aimed toward the same goal, which was increasing the fear, preserving the lies about its origin, hiding a lot of stuff, and, like, telling you— and pushing you toward the vaccine—
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So like, and it was utterly coordinated. If anything was coordinated, that was from the churches to the schools, to the media, everything, everyone's in the same picture. Like why?
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We'll ever be able to say with some certainty or confidence, like this is why they did that.
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Well, it's such a profound thing to do. I mean, if somebody said to you, Matt, would you accept a pardon? You would say, well, why would I need a pardon? No, I mean, it's like it's incriminating. It's morally incriminating or it has the appearance of moral incrimination. just by its fact, right?
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So, okay, so... COVID. Next.
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So the predicate for all of this, I think, maybe even earlier, but to my knowledge, late in the summer of 16 with the hacking of the DNC and the emails from the DNC. And the FBI never investigated it. Never investigated the actual – the physical removal of this data from their servers. Instead, a company called CrowdStrike, which worked for the Democratic Party, did.
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And then exactly at that moment or right around that moment, a DNC staffer was killed – in Washington, D.C., in an apparent robbery in which nothing was taken from him that I happen to know for a fact the MPD, the Metropolitan Police Department, thought was like bizarre. And they kind of didn't believe it. A Fox News host went on air and asked questions about this killing. Why wouldn't you?
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And the parents of the man who was killed either sued or I think they sued. They certainly threatened to sue and basically scared the crap out of everyone. So no one's ever asked a question about it since.
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Why would the FBI wind up in possession? I mean, this is a local crime, right?
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And there were people at the DNC, one of whom I know, who thought that he was murdered for political reasons at the DNC. A very high ranking person at the DNC told me that. And I probably should just say, but everyone can guess who it is who's informed on this, but I don't want to betray confidence, but I'm not making this up.
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And I don't know what happened, but as far as I know, not one person has looked into that in the media. Yeah.
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The NSA read my text and leaked them to the New York Times twice. Right. Yeah. And they, you know, admitted it one time.
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That's such a fascinating observation, which I've never heard before or thought of.
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It's so true. It's so true. And so everything's out of context. Right. Yeah. There's a certain element of dot connecting required in journalism. Like, why am I telling you this? Why does it matter? How does it connect to things that happen, other things that happened or may happen? Yeah.
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Fascinating.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Well, and also, like, the main question was who makes these decisions. So if the Democratic Party is running the United States, which they have for four years, I think we can say that. What does that mean? Who's running the Democratic Party? Right. I mean, I would imagine it's a coalition of, you know, elected officials, you know, Chuck Schumer, Trump. Big fundraisers, right?
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You know, Jeffrey Katzenberg and, I don't know, Obama, I guess. But who really is running this? Who's on the central committee?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So you really think this was aimed at MSNBC viewers just to paint Trump as a vindictive person?
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He was kind of your classic 20-year-old American kid with no social media presence whatsoever, ever.
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And it is a very typical American story where one day you just wake up and decide to die assassinating a presidential candidate for no reason.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But look, there are a lot of... He met with the members of Congress. He was lived in Ukraine. What? And we know that... Our intel agencies working through the Ukrainian intel agencies have murdered all these people and tried to murder all these people, including some I know personally. And so that's a – like that's just a fact. And he was there with them.
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But this had nothing to do – and by the way, are those the only two attempts on Donald Trump's life, do you think, during this campaign season? I don't think so. So why don't we know more about that? I don't know why we don't know more about that. Yeah, right. So – And I mean, I've talked to the Trump people and Trump himself, and I'm being sincere.
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I really don't have a sense of what they think of all of that. I know that in public, they haven't been anxious to talk about it at all.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And I will say, you know, whatever people watching think of Trump, I know for a dead certain fact that a lot of people who work for him really like him personally. So I think they are mad about it.
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Can you just describe the digital services act?
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What about the U.S. government, the intel agency's control of Wikipedia, which basically is our collective memory at this point? It's elevated by Google. It's the top of every search. It is the only history most people will ever read. And it's controlled by the U.S. government to disappear inconvenient facts.
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Kind of weird that the head of the Aspen Institute wrote the biography of Elon Musk, isn't it?
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Isaacson.
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Walter Pincus was the CIA reporter at the Washington Post.
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No, no, no, it's just funny. You remember Walter Pincus. Yeah, Walter Isaacson, yeah. Yeah.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
so what happens to the you said the media as constituted is dead but i mean like the episcopal church like they have enormous like shells left you know what i mean like the church has died but the they've got great churches great buildings what do you what happens to like the washington post and nbc news it still has bureaus and cnn and like what what happens to these things
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Whatever you think of Rachel Maddow. She just, like, advertises herself as Rachel Maddow. You know, one person's opinions. It's funny you sounded like her for a second there. Yeah, well, I know her, and I've never been mad at her. I couldn't disagree more. I'm sure she's attacked me a lot. I wouldn't know. But I'm not mad at Rachel Maddow. I'm mad at Ken Delaney. No, of course.
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You know what I mean? People who pose as reporters who are actually just mouthpieces for the intel world.
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Well, it's just interesting. I actually think it's more sinister even than you described. So the two topics after, you know, 30 years in the, In television, the two topics that they like never wanted to do, they always want to do stuff about trannies or race or, you know, whatever, all that stuff. But they never want to do economics or foreign policy ever.
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And their view was or their stated view was the audience doesn't care. And then I get fired and start doing foreign policy stuff, and it gets crazy numbers. And I only do it purely because I'm interested. That's it. I was always interested. I'm also interested in economics. I'm not an expert, but I think it matters. That's why I'm interested, right? You do a story like that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
OK, so can we just go through a couple of these? And why would you pardon Fauci? What are the potential crimes, the crimes you think he committed and could be punished for that you're trying to prevent him from being punished for by pardoning him?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
You blow out of the water all the pap that they do. So it turns out there is a deep reservoir of interest among viewers and readers for these stories. And I'm starting to think that maybe the people who run the networks where I worked, they just didn't want to address that stuff. Because there was a consensus on it that they agreed with and that they didn't want to challenge.
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But they did it in the slyest way. I mean, it went right over my head for decades. They did it not by saying, you know, we just don't agree. You know, we have one perspective on that and we're going to stick with it. That's a straightforward way to explain it, which I can digest. They instead said, no, the audience just doesn't care.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And you're basically putting the business at risk by covering things that people have no interest in. So get back to Natalie Holloway or whatever the drama of the moment was. And I believed that. I believed it. I mean, I just assume people just aren't interested. I guess I internalized our audience's dumb position, which they had for the whole time I worked there.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
uh what happened to the economy in 2008 there was not a rational explanation that people could read and so well you did big i guess numbers is not applicable to a magazine but that got i mean your stories on that were widely read because you're one of the only people doing it
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
You know, it's funny. I remember getting back in the summer, late August of 2001 from Maine. I'd been in Maine and, you know, I'm just on vacation going back to work. And I was at CNN then and we were working. wall to wall, literally wall to wall on a story about a congressman from Bakersfield, California, Kern County called Gary Condit.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And the question was, did he murder his intern, Chandra Levy? And then later, whatever, in case anyone cares, turns out she was killed by an illegal alien from El Salvador called Ingemar Guindecke. He killed a couple other people, I think. Anyway, whatever, that was the story. But at the time, we were fully immersed in this question of, is this moderate Democrat from Bakersfield a murderer?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And I mean, we did specials on it. It's all we did. And then that September, that was interrupted by 9-11. And I remember thinking at the time, like 9-11 came out of nowhere. There was no kind of backstory. It just happened. It was like truly like the least expected thing that ever happened. Right, right. In retrospect, I think,
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Were there things going on in the world, bigger trends that maybe we should, you know, as a news company, we should have been paying attention to? Sure. To kind of prepare people for at least the idea that like, wow, something bad could happen because there's a lot going on abroad.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Yeah, I think if you had visited parts of the Middle East back then, you would have... Well, we had the coal bombing and then like the Saudis where we had bases in places that were clearly very provocative for no real reason. The Fatwa, the Kenyan bombing. Yes, exactly. There was a lot going on and we just kind of ignored all of it. But we didn't just ignore it.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
It's amazing.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
We ignored it like this manic way, like must cover Gary Condit. And I'm not a conspiracy nut, Matt, but you do sort of wonder like... What was that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
So, but why would you preemptively pardon the J6 committee? I mean, that's like the single most legitimate, morally empowered, great group of people ever empaneled in this country. Like, truly. Well, I mean, there are obviously some theories about why they would do that, right? What? Mother Teresa, she was such a great person, we're going to preemptively pardon her. Like, what? This is crazy.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Remember that? Do I remember? I think I participated in it. Should you swim? But then you get 9-11 like this one, you know, sort of beautiful fall morning and everything changes.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And it's like, I do think it's fair to ask, even if there's no intent involved, like, how did we like, what should we have done differently to at least give people the sense that there were highly organized, well-funded elements abroad that hated us? Like, I just did not know that. And most people didn't.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Well, so at least you have that excuse. You know, you're living in another country. I lived in Washington, D.C., covering the news for CNN. I mean, I hosted a show on CNN, and I had no idea that, like—
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Well, there was no covering it. There was just watching it.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
And there's never actually been any covering of it. No one's ever really covered 9-11. Like, what was that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Exactly. And what followed it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well, I did cover that. But like the 9-11, like how exactly did that happen? We have all these law enforcement and intelligence agencies protecting us and they had no idea that they're...
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
You know, dozens and dozens and dozens of, you know, the 19 hijackers, but then all the support people living in our country, training, getting money from... We never really... What? Anyway, I don't know why I'm going off on that, but it's like no one ever asked the basic questions.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Including me, I guess, because a lot of the things you just said were like, yeah, whatever happened to that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Your reporting is marked by its command of detail, I would say. I mean, it is. I read it. Hopefully. Yeah. No, but of like a lot of detail, like a lot of detail. Yeah. And so you look at things, I kind of like, you know, I'm not a detail guy. You are.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
What, name one, like, tiny detail that you are personally obsessed with and maybe mildly embarrassed to admit you're obsessed with, but, like, what's the one thing that you just, you want to know, like, that you've been wondering about?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Yeah.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But it's the same impulse that maintains discipline in Washington and in the media, which is commitment to party first. And what is—so that is the one thing— All the things I disagree with the Democratic Party and some of the Republican Party on policy, like I have all kinds of disagreements. I think that they think that's what got it.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But the one thing I really can't relate to is the loyalty to party. What is that?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Actually, they have a much lower quality of audience. You know, your average Rogan listener is way smarter than your average cable news viewer. Like, sorry.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Man, you put me in such a better mood. Matt Taibbi, thank you. No, thank you. Seriously. I mean, I think you would do this for free. I get that feeling. Absolutely would. I love it. Thanks, Tucker. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson Show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to TuckerCarlson.com to see everything that we have made. The complete library. TuckerCarlson.com.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I mean, they interviewed hundreds and probably thousands of people, right? It's some number like that. Massive number. I assume most of them told the truth. Right. Most people do tell the truth, actually, I think.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
But it suggests what I have thought from the first week, which is they're like serious crimes here. Yeah. I mean, you talk to Steve Sund, you know, who ran Capitol Police, who's like a nonpolitical person, just career law enforcement, former MP, you know, former Washington DC cop. I don't think he has any weird agenda. I mean, his story is so unbelievable. Yeah.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
They just didn't give him any intel at all and didn't give him any resources, and everybody else knew this was happening except him. I mean, the whole thing is so nuts that you're like, wait, there's something going on here. I don't really know. The pipe bombs at the headquarters? The pipe bombs, the gallows that was erected by some weird unknown group the night before.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
Will we ever get disclosure? I guess that's what I want. I just want to know. Again, I am not vengeful. I don't really want to punish people so much as I just want to know. That feels like punishment enough. Will we?
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
There's panic. I sense panic. And I sense it in some of these confirmation battles, particularly the sort of offline stuff that you don't see in the media, but just when you find out the lengths to which permanent Washington is going to say sabotage Tulsi Gabbard. who's an army officer who's had a clearance for more than a decade, carries an automatic weapon.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I mean, clearly we trust her with America's defense. Why can't we trust her with America's secrets? Well, of course we can. So what is this? And it really is people are panicked that what they've been doing is going to come to light, I think.
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We find out what they're doing with their black budgets.
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A lot of it. Frank Church, sadly, got incredibly fast developing cancer, I noticed. Did he? Yes, he did. He did kind of like Jack Ruby style cancer, Hugo Chavez style cancer. It's interesting. Huh. I did not know that. Yeah, couldn't treat it. He died. Sad.
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Matt Taibbi: All the Top Secret Information Trump Is Releasing & What He Should Declassify Next
I'm like, oh, not only did I not think this way, I attacked anyone who did. Right. Yeah. But can I say one thing that I've noticed now that I'm... in middle age um is that all my life the older guys i've known like you go on duck hunting trips or whatever in washington where i lived like with my dad and his friends or whatever and the guys who were in their 50s and 60s all thought this way
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They all thought this way. You know, after like a lifetime of government service as an operations officer, whatever you're doing, right? Right, right. They all had this mindset. I remember sitting like in a duck blind thinking, these guys are fucking crazy. They're all nuts. What I didn't realize was there's a reason that people become more open to these sorts of explanations the more they see.
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Right?
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It's so true.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So you've been flying for a living since 1991, so that's almost 35 years, which is amazing. For the rest of us, we're about the same age. It seems like commercial air travel in the United States has declined in, like, at a shocking rate. It's just much worse. A lot of things have gotten better. We have the Internet and iPhones. Why is commercial air travel in this country...
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And so I immediately hit them hard and they're delicious. Eat a whole bag of them, for example, and man, you do not feel good. I'm not going to get more specific, but you just, it's like a head injury. You eat a bag of masa chips, and I can confirm this because I did, and you feel great. You feel totally fine because it's real food. There's nothing weird in there. There are no weird chemicals.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Once again, there are no seed oils, just three simple ingredients. And so I thought, well, this is a pretty amazing company making a snack food that's not going to kill you. And you don't feel bad about it. It's like basically what your grandparents ate. So we reach out to Masa and said, hey, if you ever do advertising, we'd love to advertise because we love the chips. And they said, sure.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And so that's what we're doing right now. We're telling the truth about something that we eat and love and we think is great and recommend it strongly. on the basis of more personal experience than I want to admit in public, but they're really, really good. So you can go to masachips.com slash discount slash Tucker to start snacking. Well, you get 20% off your first order. We enjoy them.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
We do too. So here's what we know, just to go back to the DCA crash for a minute, because it's... And all I know is what she said in her press conference.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Why don't we know who was flying the helicopter?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Why the hesitance to assign blame? All these people died?
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Of course.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But your point is the structure itself was reckless and crazy.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
There was a plane in, I know you saw this in Canada, I think in Toronto at Pearson, that came in really, really hard on landing and flipped over. Remarkably, everyone survived.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I guess that's my point. Wherever you get to the stage where you're relying on the flight attendants.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And God bless them. Of course. But like, how did we get to the point where, like, how did it flip over? How do you flip over a plane on a runway? I don't understand that.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And yet ESG is not really, like, strictly speaking, bottom line. It pleases Larry Fink, who's probably done more than any person to really hurt this country, but sidebar. But it, you know, for your average customer, you're like, well, You get the feeling that like incompetent people are in air traffic control, incompetent people are in the cockpit.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Of course.
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Yes, for sure.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So that that was the core problem. She hit too hard.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Remarkable.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So if you're moving people through the process at accelerated speed, both for ideological reasons and for practical reasons.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yeah. and you're hiring on the basis of a relevant criteria, then inevitably you're going to get a reduced skill level. Like, how could you not?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I missed this.
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No, but I could tell.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Oh, seriously? It was all over the place. And they put out a TikTok.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Have you personally ever flown with someone who you thought wasn't quite up to the job? Yeah. Oh, wow.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
How can you tell? Hmm.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
The ground?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I don't know if that's true or not, but it shakes people's faith, scares the crap out of people. And then planes start crashing and you're like, that's why. That seems like against the core interests of the business.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So I think for, you know, non-pilot civilians like me, the expectation is that all your pilots either come for the military or Embry-Riddle or school like that.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Or a school like Ember Riddle being the most famous.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Your alma mater. But that they're all kind of like aviation nuts and they like bug their dad for lessons at the local airport.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Exactly. And that they have a lot of experience in Cessnas. And that that's really relevant because the basics of aviation are just so obvious in a little plane, right? Do you ever get pilots who don't have that experience?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Damn. That changes... Where'd those new pilots come from?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
The internet?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What, just to finish it off, what happened to the kid who asked you what you're looking at while you're landing?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But I'm sure he's... In all these decades of flying, have you ever been afraid in a plane?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Not one time?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
No, that's right.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Have you had emergencies?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Really, what happened to him? I'm looking at him out of the corner of my eye right now.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What was the cause of it? Did anyone figure it out?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Do you ever worry about fire while you're flying?
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Me too.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Does that ever happen?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Because of fire.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What are the rules now on lithium batteries?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Is there any way for them to know if you don't disclose it?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So that's your number one fear.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
There have been a lot of pilot suicides. I mean, relatively speaking, Turkish air.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Maybe Malaysian air.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Aren't you, by definition, unstable if you castrate yourself?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I feel deep sympathy. I feel sad to that level of hurting yourself is like... It's a tragedy. It's a tragedy, right? And you're the victim of that evil. However, that seems like prima facie, like, I don't want to use the word crazy because I don't want to be mean, but that you're not a stable person if you're cutting your genitals off, right?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yeah, like, it all seems like the clearest possible sign of mental instability. Like, what could be clearer than that?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Seriously?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Do you know who lobbied for that?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Nicely put. I should note the obvious, which is that you are a woman. And you started flying, you said, commercially in 1991. the year I left college. So like there can't have been too many female pilots flying commercially in 1991.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I mean, and I mean this with the full pejorative connotations. They're crazy, actually. The psychiatrists are nuts.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Thank you.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yes, that is absolutely right.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
and not around the world, but in this country specifically, like much worse than it was. What is that? Well, I think,
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Have you noticed this internally? You said a CEO of an airline announced four years ago that we're going to hire 50% female or non-white pilots. But do you feel that as a pilot? Do you notice the standards changing?
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I want to attack your CEO. I used to work there, so I don't want to make your life even harder.
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United was the only domestic airline?
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Let's be honest.
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Continental United States. You know, the big carriers.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Delta, American.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But that was the way to play it, by the way.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
A hundred percent firing longtime employees because they don't want a vaccine. I mean, it's like so cruel.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Who did that? Who made that decision?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Who'd want to fly on the first fully vaccinated airline? I don't want to fly in an airline with vaccinated pilots because it's dangerous. So that's my view. But I guess a lot of people disagree.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Because if you get the experimental COVID vax, you can't get or transmit COVID. Like we know that, right? Did that turn out to be true? No.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Does this CEO, you don't have to name him if you don't want, but is he still running the airline?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
It doesn't have a board, I guess, the company.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
There's no board.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
This is all so crazy.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So what, I keep stepping on your story. Tell me, okay, so this comes down. You go to court, try to get an injunction.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
You don't get it. And then you're laid off.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
No, but in your case, you're married.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So your whole family's unemployed in one day because of this?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Well, that's kind of heavy, actually. How did you, I mean.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I agree.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So how many, so it was 2,000 people in the end got fired. Yep. And that was down from the initial number of people who said, I'm not taking it.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But in the end, it was 2,000 people who stood strong.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Did anyone fake getting a vaccine?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Oh, and everyone had fakes. I had a fake vax card proudly. And I would do it again the next time there's tyranny. I'm not okay.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Well, but you also make it. But it's also wrong to lie. And I lied in using a fake fax card.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yeah, but no, you're right. That's a moral compromise. And I and I probably should have done that. I don't know. Trying to think about it too much. But no, but I think you're taking a really principled position and saying, I'm going to say clearly what I believe. I don't think I should be punished for it. When I am punished for it, I'm going to take my lumps and fight back.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So I admire what you did.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So, and I couldn't be rooting for you more fervently, but thank you. So what, okay. So what happened then? So 2000 are fired with no support. Like they're not.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
The CEO sounds like a pig, actually. Sorry. That's my view.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But he sounds like a pig.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Which just sounds like an awful man. And I hope he's punished. He will be.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And how long was that?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Did you get into money trouble?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
You got no income coming in.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But you're burning reserves.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So of those 2000, can you just roughly break it down what they did? How many pilots?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Wearing a yellow star the whole time.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And this is the one where they stick the stuff up your nose.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
No.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Of those 2,000, of course, you can't really know. But what's your sense of the percentage of Christians among?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Religious?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
The seven Jewish people are religious people.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Good for them.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But I mean, observant like every one of these people are observant. So all 2000 were religious people.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Because, I mean, this was done at a national scale. So I think it's fair to, you know, if the outcome is the point of the exercise, it seems like they drove religious people out of government service. That's what it looks like to me. The military, the airlines kind of crypto since you fly the mail, but it's not really government.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Absolutely no question about it.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But I do think we've spent too little time celebrating the people who are willing to really have their lives reordered, willing to be punished and suffer for what they believed. Like, those people are heroes, I think.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So how has anyone explained why it's relevant, the color of a pilot?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Well, that's totally, they're not, yeah. So then what happens? You go back to work.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Called in the office because of a Facebook avatar? Yeah. What does that mean?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So it started with like we have, you know, you're probably racist. We have to make you non-racist. And then it goes from there to it's really important. The skin color of a pilot is really important somehow, but no one ever says why.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Why would it be discrimination?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But it wouldn't, I mean, it's not mocking Jews, isn't it? Standing in solidarity with anyone who's been singled out and oppressed?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So it was like about as positive an identification as you could have.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What is that? What did you do wrong this time?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Right.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Those poor people. I know a million vaccinated people. I've never heard anybody say, I'm glad I got the vaccine. Not a single one.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And I feel so sad for a lot of them I love. So I feel so sad for them. I'm sorry to make fun of them. I shouldn't. They were the victims too.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But the COVID vaccine turned out to be so dangerous. It killed so many people. It's a fact. I mean, it's in the VAERS program. These are not conspiracy theories. It's like, that's a fact. That it does make you wonder, like, what would you want? I don't want to fly in a plane with vaccinated pilots because I think it's too dangerous. But are there numbers on this? Oh, yeah.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So tell me what they are.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What are the implications for myocarditis in an airline pilot?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Wait, what is the point of unions again? I totally forgot. Is it to take care of their members? Yes.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But if your job is to take care of your people, that's what a union is, right? It's we collectively bargain. We're in this together and we're looking out for people who have not enough power, which is the workers against management. And they're not interested in people dying or being disabled?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
That's disgusting. What's the name of this union?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Are you required to be a member of this union?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So they take your money and they do nothing for you and they collaborate with your creepy CEO to oppress the workers there and the unions like all on board with that.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Like give me an example.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I'm trying not to use the F word. This is my Lenten challenge. But it's almost sneaking out.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So we don't. The union sends you that? So your union exists to lecture and torment you and steal your money?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And you were a union rep.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So it's not like you have some ideological problem with unions as a theory.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yeah. I mean, speak for myself. I'm totally in favor of unions. I have a friend who's a labor leader and I like the idea of unions. I do. I like solidarity. Someone needs to push back against power. I'm all for that. It's just that in practice, in this specific case, but also in others, it seems like they're collaborating against their members. Yeah.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
OK, well, that's I mean, I don't think that's unreasonable.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Everyone hates the teachers unions. And I, of course I do too. I think they've helped wreck education. However, at least in New York city, like they stick up for their members.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
In a very unreasonable way. Even when their members are like child molesters, they'll defend them.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But the idea that you stand up for the people in your charge, that leadership means laying down your life for the people beneath you. I believe in that. And there's nothing worse than a collaborator. Wow. That's really disgusting.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So what, I mean, are airline people political? And how does the, how does it break down politically? Yeah.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
To manhandle the machine, right?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But there's something about aviation because it's, I mean, science-based, it's engineering.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
That every airline pilot, I've known a million airline pilots and they're all, they have the same kind of logical, coolly analytical temperament. And they believe in like the facts because they have to or the plane crashes.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Exactly. And like a thunderstorm will pull your wings off. So don't fly into it. Like these are just facts. We're not in control.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Are there really? Oh yeah.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But I can't, I can't get my head around someone whose job it is to obey the laws of physics and, Like, unflinchingly, you know, it's like, that's a fact we have to obey that law because we can't change it. That person believing that you can change your sex, which is the most irrational thing you could say.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
To what?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Right. Of course, the whole idea is to give a finger to God and proclaim yourself master of the universe. I can change my sex.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
can you control the weather now too like john kerry um but no it's not even that which i do have a problem with to be clear it's that's irrational that's what freaks me out that's irrational so if you believe in something that irrational i don't want you flying my airplane no i mean i don't want you flying next to me in that airplane because i have to get up on a 10-hour flight and go take a break or go on the bathroom
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Oh, come on.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Can you go to the company and say, I'm on a 10 hour flight. So you're a veteran, obviously a veteran pilot. You've got to be one of the, have some of the most hours of flight.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So that means traditionally you're flying the longer, better, more fun routes to the prettier capitals. Like that's what I have noticed. So, but you're flying long flights. Mm-hmm. So you have to get up at some point.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But can't you call the company and say, hey, I'm not comfortable leaving my co-pilot unattended? Like, that seems like a big thing.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
A transgender captain.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What kind of things?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
They can hold it.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Meaning in Europe as well?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
That's like, and what would happen if you called up Airline HQ and said, this is just too nuts. I think it's a threat to safety. What would they say to you?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So I think big picture, it's very obvious that safety standards have fallen dramatically. Maybe not literally. They're not rewriting the safety manual, but safety is distracted. That's what I would say. It's not the top concern. Clearly, it's not the top concern. Clearly. So, I mean, how long before hundreds of people die?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
You said you've never been nervous flying. No. Have you ever been nervous as a passenger?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What's your cruising altitude in 767 long haul flight?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Autonomous flight?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
You're making me feel uninformed. So there are, like, this will solve the union problem. Just get rid of the people.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So there are planes planned with no pilot?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I mean, I guess they're called drones.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
On a commercial airliner.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Wouldn't it be easier to just put someone in the cockpit?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
For cost reasons.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
That's just absolutely crazy. I will pay a premium to fly in an airline with two pilots.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yeah, I hope I'm gone when this all happens.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Sherry, that was really, it was wonderful to get the benefit of your decades of experience and your honesty.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
It feels like everything is fine until there's a problem. So you read about, even now, you read about planes stalling. You know, something happens and the plane just falls out of the sky. And I've read a number of times of trained pilots who, you know, apply the throttle and point upwards as it's stalling, which I don't think is the right, I think it's the opposite of what you're supposed to do.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
But they panic under pressure.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So that seems like a huge problem if you're not screening carefully for temperament, ability to think clearly under duress, and you're not allowing people to accumulate relevant experience before turning over the cockpit to them, no?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Describe, if you don't mind, since you've flown for so long, a scenario where something goes wrong unexpectedly and you have to think independently from the autopilot.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yeah. Why? Why is it most dangerous?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Losing an engine on takeoff.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Really? V1 cut? Yes.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Yeah. So when... Oh, ESG doesn't help the customer?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
How is it a two-man job?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I mean, that does happen, right?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Really? So people survived them all?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
No.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So describe what you think happened there.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So DCA, the plane that hit the helicopter over the Potomac.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
DCA being the in-town airport in Washington.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Washington Reagan National.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I mean, I thought we had air traffic control to prevent that.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
And this is in the nation's capital. And these are military helicopters and commercial aircraft. All eyes are on that airport. That airport has all kinds of restrictions on it. After 9-11, you know better than anybody, you know, no private aviation, all this stuff. They really pay a lot of attention. It's like 10 seconds from the White House. So if they're that sloppy at DCA of all airports.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Right. What the hell are they doing in Santa Monica or wherever?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
I'm sorry, I don't know what that means, promotion of the industry.
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
Really?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So they're the policeman and the PR agent?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
What does it mean, self-certify the MAX?
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Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes
So last year, I get home and all these boxes in the kitchen. I wonder what these are. I open up one and they are tortilla chips made by a company I never heard of called Masa. Masa chips are not like other tortilla chips in that they are all natural. There are only three ingredients in the chips and there are no seed oils whatsoever. My wife had ordered these because she's a healthy person.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
So it's amazing to me to watch a bunch of countries spending so much effort, money on gold at a moment where technology just dominates the conversation and crypto and AI are the future. And gold is the oldest and most primitive medium of exchange. I mean, cultures have been using gold around the world, every culture around the world for at least 6,000 years.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
We give country-specific interest rates on treasuries?
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
This is why they're always encouraging us to get mad at each other about race and the tranny stuff. You know what I mean? It's like because the big things are just not even... Well, you know, in fairness, I think...
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
What's so interesting, boy, you're teaching me a lot. Thank you. They don't want to talk about gold, and they haven't since the default of 71, which is never described, by the way, as a default. And it was. Well, of course. Right. You're not making good on your promise. Of course. It's a default. And they don't want to talk about gold. The U.S. government doesn't want to talk about gold.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
Ever since then, which is my whole lifetime, people who are interested in gold have been derided as, quote, gold bugs. And it just occurred to me, it's one of those phrases that's so devastatingly effective. You're a nutcase. You're buggy. You're crazy. Bug house. Mental patient. And it reminds me so much of the term conspiracy theorist.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
So CIA, possibly with the help of a foreign government, murders the president of the United States. And it's super obvious that that happened in 1963. And nobody believes the Warren Commission. And it's like it doesn't make any sense, actually. And so they start calling anyone who raises questions about it a conspiracy theorist.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
And that was a phrase that was devised by the Intel community to discredit people who asked uncomfortable questions. And you sort of have to wonder if the phrase gold bugs, which is just occurring to me now, is in a species of that, right? It's entirely possible. Shut up, gold bug. It's entirely possible.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
And even to this day, people who, and I know some of them, who are interested in gold and sort of follow, you know, its global movements and buy gold, physical gold, non-abstract gold, they're embarrassed of it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's like a social sanction to even talking about gold.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
A little bit. I was with one of the richest people in the world the other day, a very famous investor. I'm sure you know him. Wonderful guy. And somebody said to me, you know, he buys gold. And I said to him off camera, do you buy gold? And he's like, yeah, among other things. Sure. I said, do you buy a lot of gold? Yeah, I buy a lot of gold.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
But he clearly just didn't want to... It's even to someone, you know, open-minded, brilliant person. It's not something that people talk about in public. It's almost like admitting you have some kind of weird fetish or something. I dress up in a chicken costume. I don't want to talk about it.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
That doesn't make any sense at all. in an era of biotech and nanotechnology and AI and everything is abstract and digital. Everything is technology. Why would gold, which doesn't have great inherent value, what is gold actually worth? You can't eat it. You can't eat your house with it. Why the stranglehold on human beings from gold?
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
No, I mean, no, you make a great point. And I shouldn't. Thank you for saying that, because it's it's not just yet another Intel community inspired conspiracy, though it is that. obviously.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
But it's also, it is in some sense like almost unpatriotic to say, you know, I'm all about gold and land or whatever, about physical assets, because what you're saying is I don't believe in the system of the U.S. government.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
The Warren Buffett thing, man. That's like... I mean, right. He's famously mocking gold buyers, right? Of course. I would say Warren Buffett, there's so much to admire there and be impressed by and I am and all that. But he's a political player among many other things.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
Think about who they go to. Of course.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
Yeah, and Buffett has lots of great investors out there. Warren Buffett is near the top of that list, of course. And he's a legendary investor, of course. Of course. However, massive propaganda around Warren Buffett. Of all the investors in the world, who's received more slavishly? sort of ass-kissingly positive press than Warren Buffett. Like there's never been a bad word. You're not allowed.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
He's like the Oprah.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
But no one has been promoted more aggressively by the American media than Warren Buffett.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
He literally bought Borsheim's jewelry store. Oh, yeah.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
Exactly. Railroads. Omaha Steaks. And, like, this is not—this is a guy whose whole philosophy is about, you know, buying physical things. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. With inherent value.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
And why did it emerge in these separate cultures, as we know from the archaeological record, on separate continents, had no contact with each other, at roughly the same time they all decided that gold was the most valuable thing? What is that? There is a mystery at the heart of gold, no?
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Why wouldn't it? Of course. And it affects your views on the future in general.
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And as you just said, the degree to which you're vested in the system currently in place affects your outlook and affects very much what you're willing to say in public.
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Well, it was so obvious. I'm not a financial expert. That's for sure. But I have been in the media my whole life and I know what a fluff job looks like. And I know, no, I do. I know a lot about it. And I watched Warren Buffett. I've never been against Warren Buffett. I'm not against him now.
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But I mean, the amount of promotion that guy received from the system told you everything about his orientation and his the incentives in place for him. And like they were promoting Warren Buffett and Warren Buffett's worldview, like very aggressively. And so, you know, I didn't believe half of it and you shouldn't either. That's my view.
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You think?
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So give us a sense of where gold is flowing in the world right now to the extent we know.
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Yeah. So do you – and I should have asked this earlier – do you anticipate any time in the future where gold is no longer regarded as a measure of economic strength and health? Does it ever get eclipsed by crypto?
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What about, okay, so gold is almost hovering at about 3,000, a little under 3,000 an ounce. It's clearly going to make it 3,000, I would guess. Is there a threshold at which like it becomes, because there's a lot of gold actually on the earth's crust, a lot, and it's just too expensive to extract it. But is there a threshold at which like gold production just ramps up dramatically?
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It becomes worth it to like extract a lot more gold and it affects the price because of supply and demand.
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So that raises a deeper and more fundamental question, which is, do the great powers have a built-in incentive to keep energy prices higher than they would naturally be in a truly free market?
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
That's so interesting. So I said, well, how weird that gold would be, you know, the most enduring story of value because you can't eat it or heat your house with it. And you're saying that's why it's the most enduring.
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as a store of value, and they still are. Why? Because it's worked.
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So the United States would not lose its gold reserve? There's no chance of that? Not under that transaction, no. Okay. As you'd hate to get to a point where the nation has so much debt backed by nothing other than its Navy, which may become irrelevant thanks to drones. So you could see this all moving very fast. It's like all of a sudden we owe the world trillions of dollars, but...
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Whereas the collateral, where policymakers are forced to sell off physical assets that belong to the country, oil, water, because we have some of the world's largest freshwater reserves in the Great Lakes, and gold. I don't think – is that a crazy way of thinking?
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Right. But I mean, like at some point- Like, if I, you know, take a loan against my house, I have a mortgage on my house. Sure. And also, if I don't pay it, you know, the holder of that mortgage gets my house. Right. There's collateral. So, like, where's the collateral in the United States other than, like, I don't know, people like us? You know, what is the collateral?
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What if we have no choice? What if, I mean, because we're not the only decision makers in this process.
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Of course not.
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Because the war in Ukraine is not about Ukraine and never has been.
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And so starting with COVID- Could it be that we were using Chinese components to arm the Ukrainians in a war against Russia, which is allied with China?
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And it has always been for all recorded history. I do think there's something at the core there that I don't understand, but- But it's just demonstrable. It's just true. It's true. So and it endures even in this hyper technical age. I would say one more thing about gold that I find fascinating is that it is the most private of all currencies.
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What the current vice president, J.D. Vance, said to the Fed chairman-
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
So the great lie of my lifetime is that crypto was going to be private and was going to free us from surveillance and control. And that is just not proven true. And no one's really tried hard to make it true. which tells you a lot about how much people lie and what the real agenda is, which is control. But gold can actually be moved around privately and stored privately.
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If what you're saying is right, it's incredible because really it's a move toward the fundamentals, toward the past. It's actually moving backward. What you're saying is the future is like building more factories and buying more gold? Really? Yeah. I thought we were moving to a far more abstract. I mean, I'm thrilled by it, let me just say.
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But it's the opposite of what I think many of us anticipate, which is a world that is increasingly abstract. And you're describing a world that is increasingly concrete.
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We're making things.
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I mean, there's not a digital record of gold. And that leads to my question, which is like, what the hell is going on with gold flows around the world? Gold physically moving from one country to another. Why isn't that transparent? This is public money. This is the reserves of different countries owned by the public of those countries. And there's no sort of transparent record of it.
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There's an entire class of people, some of the richest people in our society, some of whom I know, you know too, who've gotten rich beyond the dreams of Croesus by really doing nothing and adding nothing just as parasites on the financial system. You probably would be more generous than I am in describing what they do, but they're useless people who've looted the country.
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But they're really powerful. They're the biggest donors. And so they're going to stand by and just let their world collapse?
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I don't think you can stand back and say, like... You know, I don't know. I don't want to be too mean. I don't want to be too mean. But like it's it's harder for the layman me to understand sort of the added value. Is that the term that they use of some of these, quote, industries? It all seems fake. It all seems sort of the product of short term thinking. It seems very mercenary.
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It seems disconnected from the national interest. It seems greedy, among other things, and basically disgusting. And it hasn't made the country stronger. It's made it, in fact, weaker. It's made the country you just described totally overwhelmed by debt and can't even produce artillery shells.
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Am I missing something?
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I did what was best for me and my family. Most of my friends made the same choice.
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It manifests in party politics.
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How can a country move part of its gold reserve to another country without telling its population? And the funny thing is... Is that outrageous or am I just missing something?
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I mean, just to ask a kind of Google question, because I can't control myself, but, you know, you'd hate to see manufacturing come back and then discover the only manufacturing is like machines that kill other people. Could you also, because that's totally disgusting. It's unproductive, yeah. You can't be proud of a country whose only export is bombs.
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I mean, that's, you know, you can't be proud of that. That's totally immoral. So you need military, you need weapons, but you also want to build things that are beautiful and uplifting and life-enhancing also. Could you get that too?
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No, it's not boring at all. It's the future.
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The Swiss data, right.
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It's just so impressive. You know, just from a management perspective, like that they're thinking in these terms. And I think we know that they're thinking in these terms.
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And J.D. Vance specifically, and maybe tell me if you think I'm giving him too much credit, but he seems to have thought about this holistically, like in a big way. You described that exchange with Jerome Powell. I mean, are you getting indications that Vance has a big picture in mind?
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vance and hillbilly elegy in 2017 you can find it on x saying oh my gosh i had no idea this was happening it said so i think vance is such a foolish man larry summers damn that's a whole different topic no but just like for it's i mean as smart as he is it's yeah he's as smart as he is i mean air quotes because i mean we're constantly barter this propaganda about how smart all these different people are oh they're so smart
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really, are they so smart? How do they order their own lives, for one thing? How's your marriage doing? Do your kids respect you? How smart are you, actually? What's your output? What have you created that's worth having? Smart people, almost by definition, would have sort of successes, right? What's his success? I don't really get it. Gathering You know, merit badges, whatever, I'm sorry.
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Anyway, so, yeah. The whole leadership class is like that, though. Oh, you're so smart? Really?
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Kind of shocking. I think a lot of people, I mean, you don't want to curse him. He's the vice president, not the president. So, but on the other hand, I think some people in the last month have looked at some of the things JD Vance has said and written and been sort of stunned by how deep and well-expressed they are. You're not used to that.
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They missed the point. I mean, they're just liars.
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Like that passage alone tells you the Biden administration blew up their effing natural gas pipeline. I mean, it deindustrialized the country for them. And there's such self-hating cucks that they said not a word about it. They've been trained for 80 years to hate themselves. And the net result is the total destruction of the heart of Europe, which is Germany. Sorry, it is.
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It's it's been it's it was shocking to me. How is the world? It's not. How is this good for the United States to destroy Europe? It makes no sense. It's vandalism on a scale that most people don't understand. And I anyway, God bless J.D. Vance for saying that. He's absolutely right.
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No. I hope you will. I see only criticism I would have of your critique, which I think is kind of brilliant and very well explained, is that I think you may be undervaluing or underrating the ferocity of the response. I just... I don't disagree.
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I'm from DC and I just think the stakeholders, as we call them, the people who are benefiting from the system in place can be really ferocious in protecting that.
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One thing I would say to me... They just killed like a million people in Ukraine for like no reason. So clearly they don't care about the human cost.
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That to me was check one. Most important thing. I agree.
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They're huge victories. And, you know, we're now 31 days in, I don't know when this is going to air, but we're a month and a day into the administration and they've won almost everything except Matt Gates. And, um, You know, I think it's incredible. I've never seen anything like this. Nothing like this has happened in my lifetime in Washington.
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On the other hand, it was really a victory over the Republican Senate, which is a collection of some of the worst people I've ever met, but also some of the dumbest and weakest. And, um, so it's a, it's a great victory and I love to see them humiliated. And, you know, every day that some of these people weep is a happy day for me.
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Whenever you have secrecy, you have deception and fraud, period. Generally, that's true. That's the purpose of it, I would argue. Privacy being different from secrecy, but... you know, something that should be disclosed that's not is not disclosed for a reason.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
On the other hand, like they're not, you know, some of the stakeholders in the current financial system are smart and serious and they, you know, they are not people to play with at all. I think they're completely ruthless. I think they are willing to resort to things. It's hard to even to imagine. And, um,
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Thank you.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
And so when you have huge movements, it might over, you tell me if I'm overstating this, but there are now big movements of gold between countries right now, correct? Correct. And we're not exactly sure why. Correct. And we don't really know the volume, as you just said. And so someone's getting rich and someone's getting poor, but none of this is public. Like I smell scam afoot.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
This is the Google result. If you type in which countries own the most gold, who's got the biggest gold reserves in the United States? Have you seen this list? I have. I'm reading this to you because it's just so clearly bullshit. It's so clearly not true. So this is in order, the countries with the largest gold reserves. U.S. one. Okay. Number two, Germany. Number three, Italy. Italy. Okay.
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It's got an economy like the size of Ohio. France, Russia, China. Switzerland, Japan, India, Netherlands. You're telling me that China is one, two, three, four, five, is number six, and India's number nine? That's a lie. That's just a flat out lie. Like that is not the actual ranking. That's not. And there is no. You're telling me France has bigger gold reserves than China.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
Oh, yeah.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
It's up and to the right forever. So I guess the only point I'm making again and again and again is at the heart of this incredibly important phenomenon, the movement of gold around the world, is a lie. Like there's lie. Like we don't actually know what the state of play is. There's not great clarity. No. Not great clarity. Right. There's massive lying.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
And again, whenever there's massive lying, there's going to be massive fraud.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
So Fort Knox is one of the places, the physical places in the United States where we're told our gold is stored. Half maybe supposedly of our reserves or something.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
Right, right. I don't remember the breakdown. have been calling for an audit of Fort Knox for, I mean, just decades. And if you really press, it doesn't look like Fort Knox has been actually audited for close to 100 years since the 30s. I think that's right. I stand open to correction. They said it was audited in the 70s, but it wasn't actually audited. It was like some of it was audited.
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Luke Gromen: Why the CIA Doesn’t Want You Owning Gold, & Is Fort Knox Lying About Our Gold Reserve?
Why is it so hard with a federal workforce, you know, including contractors like 10 million people, to just like go through the contents of the vaults and weigh them and make sure that they're not gold-plated titanium and make sure they're all there and then figure out who owns them? Like, why is that so hard?
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Really?
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And were countries trying to redeem their gold? They were.
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By the way, Saudi, one of the richest countries per capita in the world, is not even in the top 10 for gold.
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Sorry, I'm just, again, I'm making the same point again, which is the numbers are lies.
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We strongly recommend it. It sounds to me like people who thought a lot about this have reached the conclusion that if we were to participate in a strike on their nuclear facilities, lots of Americans would die.
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So the choke point for a lot of the global oil trade is, you know, the very end, you know, the the terminus of the entrance to the Arabian Gulf, Persian Gulf, the Straits of Hormuz famously. And do you think Iran is capable of shutting that off?
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What happens to global oil prices?
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So you could see catastrophe both in the form of like a global depression potentially and the deaths of a lot of Americans in that region and here in the wake of a war with Iran.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
The third point that I don't think is ever mentioned in any account I've ever read about these plans to just bomb Iran and rid them of their nuclear program is the fact that Iran is now part of a global coalition of big countries that oppose us.
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So we're pursuing diplomacy with the leverage of potential military action.
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Has made them one united front.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Let me just ask you to pause. Everything you're saying is, by the way, in the Public sphere, you're not guessing about any of this. It's obvious. No honest person would deny it. And it's so crazy, these policies, that it's almost like they were formulated by people who are trying to tank the United States. I mean, these are policies that are hostile to American interests, not indifferent.
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Never attribute to conspiracy what stupidity can explain. Is that what you're saying?
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The war against Christianity, they're all in, yeah.
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No, I believe that. I've spent a lot of time around the bureaucracy. I think that's right. It's just like the physics principle. Objects in motion tend to stay that way. So I completely believe that. But big picture, just like swooping out a little bit,
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another middle eastern war like i think the overwhelming majority of americans and certainly the over overwhelming majority of trump voters like wait a second no so um and in fact the president was elected to some large extent on the promise to not get us involved in another forever war
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So I just have really been struck, but you're the expert, by how much pressure is applied to the administration to do this, to get us involved in another war in the Middle East. Did you feel that?
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Lives and dollars, American lives, American dollars.
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Regime change wars? I thought this was all about getting rid of the whatever half dozen... Iranian nuclear sites because we don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
I don't understand. So, I mean, in the last, I don't know, 22 years, 24 years, I guess, since 9-11, amazing. Our record with regime change in the Middle East has been 100% failure.
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But failure on every level.
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It hasn't made the United States safer or richer. It hasn't, by the way, I would argue, made our allies safer either, however much they may have wanted it. It hasn't been good for them either that I can see. And it's been a disaster for millions of people, human beings. in those countries, but mostly it hasn't helped the United States.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So how could you with a straight face advocate for yet another regime change war against a real country? That's not Libya, not Iraq. It's Iran. It's the Persian empire. Like, how could you say that out loud? Are they actually saying that out loud?
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It's hard to believe this is actually real.
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It's ignoring the most obvious facts of the last 30 years. Yeah.
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But what do you make of the senator? I mean, maybe you have a different experience, but I just hear constantly about Republican senators. I'm sure there are Democrats too, but I hear about the Republicans, Lindsey Graham being the most obvious, but many others. constantly applying pressure to the administration to have a regime change war against Iran. I'm not going to confirm your nominees.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
We're going to hassle, I mean, like threatening the Trump administration in order to force them to lead a regime change war against Iran. What could possibly be their motive? What is that? Um,
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Like the voters you're talking about, people who put them there.
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on a war we don't need to fight. And as someone who fought in Iraq, he was able to take that case to the principals with some force. Then three days ago, he was fired from the Pentagon. but not for his views on Iran, no. Dan Caldwell was fired because, reporters are told off the record, he had leaked classified documents to the media. But what were these classified documents exactly?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
It hasn't worked. And I don't think anyone who puts the interest of the United States first really does in his heart could come around to another regime change war in Iran. Like it's that's almost prima facie evidence that you are not putting your country's interest first. That's the way it feels to me. Maybe I'm being uncharitable.
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Download Halo today at halo.com slash Tucker. You get three months for free. You'll be grateful you did. Honestly, you will be. How did you get involved in all of this? What's your story? And can I say, I should have asked at the outset, what was your, you just left the Pentagon under circumstances I hope we can talk about. What were you doing when you left?
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Right, okay. Is that the job that you dreamed about as a child? Like, how did you wind up here?
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So you were in the military? Yes, the Marine Corps. You were in the Marine Corps. How did you wind up in the Marine Corps?
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Honestly, and he released, I think he's passed away now. He has. Baltimore Sun Report, but he released a longer version, kind of an unexpurgated version, which is amazing.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So just for people who haven't been following this, what you're alluding to with the Gulf states, there are six of them. But two of the biggest ones and the closest U.S. allies would be UAE and Saudi. And those are primarily Sunni states run by Sunnis. And they are hostile to Iran for a bunch of different reasons going back a long way. Iran's proxy forces in neighboring countries.
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Those are both Vietnam books.
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You enlisted?
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That's like the least glamorous thing you can do.
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So you just, bottom line, you drop out of college and enlist in the Marine Corps during a war.
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The places you were personally? Yes.
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There's a lot here, but they've been basically enemies of Iran or perceived that way. And so the thought was, well, they would back military action against Iran. But you're saying all of a sudden you wake up and realize, no, they don't back it.
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Where were you five years later by the time you saw this?
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What was the, I'm sure you could talk for hours on it, but if you could sum up the effect of the Iraq war on guys you knew, what would it be?
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You know, you really try to navigate this topic without being filled with hate. You don't want to become a hater. But it's hard when you hear stuff like that and you think of someone like David Frum, not even an American, screaming at people, calling them bigots for not wanting to engage in another regime change war. Right. It's hard.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
What did it, you're not the first person I've asked this of, but what did it feel like as someone who actually served there, who wanted to serve there, dropped out of college to enlist, not go into ROTC, but to enlist in the Marine Corps?
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What did it, you gave your whole life to it, and then to see the carnage, the Americans whose lives were destroyed, like, and then realize this was all kind of fake, like, what effect did that have on you?
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I couldn't agree with you more, and I wish more people would articulate this perspective. So among the guys you serve with in the Marine Corps in Iraq, would you say many agree with you?
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And you're talking about the guys who served, who carried rifles in Iraq.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
It's interesting. So you mentioned death, killed in action. You mentioned injuries, profound injuries. You mentioned suicide, psychological injuries.
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Well, that's it. That's what I was about to ask. Keep going. I mean, high rates of divorce. High rates of divorce. We were talking before on the air. I know a lot of enlisted Marines. My dad was one. I don't know. I don't think I know any guys who enlisted the Marine Corps during the war on terror who aren't divorced. I'm sure there are. But am I imagining this?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
We undervalue that. Like, that is a disaster for the people involved and for their children. Like, that's a true tragedy. True tragedy. Divorce is a death. And so if you've got 90% divorce rates like that, I don't know why no one pauses to say, how can we not do this to people? Yeah. Do you agree?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Well, that's the first thing I noticed when I started covering all this stuff or going over there. It's like these guys were doing like a crazy number of deployments. And I just think you're going to destroy a man over time if you keep sending him to war, no?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
How could you not?
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What does that do to you?
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I've argued with Dan Crenshaw in public a lot. I made fun of him a lot. And I mean this with true sincerity. I look at that guy and I'm like, you were damaged by war. I'm sorry. I mean, I don't know Dan Crenshaw, but I do know a lot of people who have been damaged by their experience, really damaged by their experience.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Well, they hate him. And I understand, certainly understand why. But he's unbalanced. Like that guy's it's not that we have like a disagreement over policies like that guy. There's something really wrong with him. And maybe I'm being too generous, but I just have to suspect knowing a lot of guys like that.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
He threatened to kill me. You know, I'm not worried about that. I just like, yeah, I'm trying to be Christian and generous about this. Like he's a very damaged person and perhaps he always was. But I know a bunch of damaged people who went through those experiences. I mean, you must also.
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I'm saying that with love and compassion and gratitude for everything they've done for us and for their patriotism and decency. And I I'm not saying that as a criticism. I'm saying that as as you would about someone you care about and you hate to see them hurt.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So you get out of the Marine Corps, what do you do?
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So... The idea that it could become a major war is kind of absent from American news accounts. So the idea is that the United States, probably in partnership with Israel or vice versa, Israel in partnership with the United States, would take out the, I think, six Iranian nuclear sites, and that would kind of be the end of it, that it wouldn't become a major war.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
I worked for a member of Congress for a couple years. How were you feeling when you got out of there? Did it have lasting effects on you?
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Huh. And were you close to Pete the whole time?
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So fast forward to the 2024 campaign. Trump wins in November and there's a mad scramble to staff the administration. What role did you play in that?
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I mean, I don't think I've ever read any account that suggests it could become a major war, but you're saying—
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
You're obviously strongly in favor of Pete Hegseth. Are you doing that?
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Yeah. Yes. I know him. I know him obviously very well. I work with him. He's such a good guy.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Yeah.
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Well, I must say, I don't think a fair listener could accuse you of being radical in any sense. You seem totally mainstream to me. Nothing you've said seems ideological or crazy or fringe or anything like that. You served in the Marine Corps during a war.
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Well, and you feel it. You feel it. And I'm not involved at all. I'm just watching. But it seems like the fastest way to derail the whole project... The Trump administration and the United States of America is a war with Iran.
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And that's why I've just been watching it as carefully as I can, because I feel like, again, if you hated Donald Trump and you hated what the administration is doing on immigration, trade, anti-woke, just whatever. and you wanted to stop it, the first thing you would do is apply pressure to have the U.S. military engage in a war with Iran. I mean, that's my perspective on it anyway.
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For sure, for sure. Though it, I don't know why, I'm going to ask you all about this, but it feels like Wyckoff is helping a lot there. God bless.
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God bless Steve Witkoff, I couldn't agree more, as a man and as an instrument of peace, and a figure now out of history. Okay, so you did make, just from an outsider's perspective, one...
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maybe career mistake by giving on the record interviews before you went in describing your foreign policy views, which I think are fully within the mainstream of the world in the U.S., but out of the mainstream among, you know, warmongers in Washington. So like there were people knew that you weren't fully on board with the regime change program. Is that fair to say?
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And so I was essentially... But Donald Trump had said, has said, and now his actions make perfectly clear, he would strongly prefer a diplomatic solution.
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Well, he said it. I mean, he said it again and he ran on it. So it's not a crazy position. And now things are getting so bonkers in this country that saying that makes you a bigot or something, a Nazi. It's like, I'm just going to ignore all that. And I just want to get back to your experience. So I'm just watching this from the outside.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
And I'm thinking, having spent my life in D.C., I was like, Dan Caldwell's got a target. on his back I don't know if he knows that yeah and then I read all of a sudden that you're a traitor you're like marched out of the Pentagon for leaking for leaking right And then the whispering campaign, the character assassination campaign begins, and here's its outline. I don't want to upset you.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
You may not even be aware of this. Dan Caldwell leaked classified information to liberal media outlets, to the media, to NBC News, for example. So I just want to be totally direct with you. Did you leak classified information against the wishes of your superiors to media outlets?
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Did you photograph classified material and then text pictures of that material to an NBC news reporter?
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Do you know what you've been accused of?
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So we can know some things just by the details. So here are a couple. Have you been polygraphed?
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Okay. Have you given up your private communications devices, your private phone, your phone? No. To anybody? No. Okay. So that raises the obvious question. I'm trying not to use the F word here because the lying is just driving me insane.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
You're being accused of leaking classified information, but the people accusing you would have no way of knowing whether you did that or not because they haven't polygraphed you or taken your devices, your private devices, correct? I mean, there are... You can't even make the allegation because there's no conceivable way you can prove that.
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Yeah, the problem with it is it's just a very serious allegation that you betrayed your boss and friend, Pete Hegseth, who you've worked with for like over a decade, who you supported from the very beginning. I think that's all. I don't want to speak for you, but you're being accused of betraying Hegseth, who's under attack. from people who want a war with Iran.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
I saw a graphic the other day that showed the number of U.S. military installations in that region around the Persian or Arabian Gulf. And I don't know if it was a complete list, but there are a lot. There are a lot. And there's publicly available information. There are a lot of American service personnel stationed in that region and different places.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Let's just be totally blunt about it. And so you're being accused of betraying him, betraying the president, and committing a crime. That's a crime. So this is not just like, hey, Dan Caldwell's got, you know, bad taste in neckties. This is like Dan Caldwell's a criminal.
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So by your description of Darren Selnick, he doesn't sound like he is engaged in the policy fights or he's some crazed ideologue.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Well, no one at the Pentagon could know the answer to that because Dan Caldwell's phone was never examined, nor was he given a polygraph. So actually, beneath the headlines was nothing other than a false accusation. Was Dan Caldwell fired because he opposed the push to war with Iran? You decide. Here's Dan Caldwell.
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And some of the places, there aren't that many. They're not massive, well-defended bases. They seem like small bases, including in Iraq and Syria, but others. I mean, why wouldn't those people be at risk?
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So we did an amazing interview with Alex Jones the other day. It got huge numbers all over the internet. But then we heard from YouTube they're partially demonetizing the video because it had a forbidden word. It had, and we're quoting now, extreme profanity. What did we say in that interview that was extreme profanity? We use the word tranny. Tranny, tranny, tranny, tranny, tranny.
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It's mildly hilarious. We didn't even think about it when we said it. It made the most powerful people in our society mad. And that's why they demonetized us. But we're not intimidated at all for a really simple reason. We're not controlled. We are funded by the people who watch us.
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And that's why we have the freedom to say exactly what we want and the freedom also to make jokes that include the word tranny. And it's a huge blessing. You can become a member and help support free speech by going to Tucker Carlson dot com. And we will continue to be as honest as we possibly can and also tell mild jokes once in a while.
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Not extreme profanity, but it's possible we will use the word tranny because it's hilarious. Thank you for supporting us. And it's not even clear – I mean, I should just say at the outset that depending on DOD is the largest human organization in the world. It has more people than any – Correct. I think in the history of the world. And there's a lot at stake. The future of the world is at stake.
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It's DOD. They have nuclear weapons. And so the pressure exerted on that agency –
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Yes, I'm sure.
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I do too.
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Your views are only controversial in Washington, D.C. Correct. Let me tell you that as a matter of fact. Correct. They are not controversial anywhere else in this country or the world.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So I just want to restate, because this is why you're here, because you got bounced out and you're being accused of betraying your boss, your president, your nation. You have, I don't want to speak for you, not leaked classified information to the news media. You've never undergone a polygraph exam, and you've never handed over your personal phone. Are all those statements true?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So there was an investigation into leaking. I think the president, like all presidents, doesn't want leaking. I mean, nobody wants leaking, right? If you're in charge, you don't want your employees to be leaking against you. So there was this leak investigation. that was ongoing for weeks, right? Was your access to classified information limited during that time?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So you were looking at highly classified information up until the moment they brought you outside and separated on the basis of the claim that you were leaking classified information.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
The reason I'm pressing on this is that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense to me. Right. So if you're... I mean, because just to be clear, you don't want people leaking classified information from the Pentagon.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
And I've been the recipient of classified information for decades, including from the Pentagon in the form of leaks. And every journalist who's doing his job has been so like there's a lot of leaking of classified information. I can tell you.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Susan Rice?
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But Susan Rice has no relevant experience for a job like that at all. She's a political hack. Correct.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
You're sure?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Well, that's shocking.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So, but just back to your story, and I won't linger on it. Every time I mention this, your jaw tightens. I can feel your frustration. And I should just say, point blank. I'm not frustrated at you. Well, I'm completely convinced that this is nonsense and sinister nonsense.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
But if you were the subject of an investigation, a leak investigation, if the investigators had determined that you were leaking classified information to the news media, you probably wouldn't have continued to receive access to classified information, correct?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
You'd be in jail, dude. You would have been handcuffed, correct? Correct.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
And you're not?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
It's very obvious to me, having far fewer details than you have, that you're one of the people who is perceived to be standing in the way of a regime change war in Iran. And that was kind of your crime. That seems obvious to me.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
It's not even mentioned the threat to American lives is not even mentioned. And that's, of course, not even considering, you know, the potential for terrorism. I mean, 9-11 happened because extremists disagreed with American foreign policy. I mean, they said so again and again and again and again. You're supposed to ignore that and think they did it because they hated our freedoms.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So the fastest way to knock someone out of commission and eliminate his influence, and in your case his job, is to tell the person that he works for that that person's betraying you. That person's betraying you.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
And so, I mean, it sounds to me, again, I keep putting words in your mouth, but it sounds to me like you have felt, it sounds like you still feel that your views are aligned with those of the president.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Yes.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
So I think what you're saying is that you were serving your boss, bosses, even when you personally disagreed. Correct. As you did in the U.S. Marine Corps. Correct. Okay. How does, I don't even want to ask you, but I'm going to, how does this make you, I mean, you must feel like you're living in a dream. A nightmare. A nightmare.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
What they did was evil. I'm, of course, not in any way excusing it. But they said why they did it. We disagree with what you're doing. And they attacked the U.S. homeland and killed 3,000 Americans. So, I mean, there's got to be a concern given how many Iranians came into the country under the Biden administration illegally like that there are –
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And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs?
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And they weren't coming from you.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
probably agents of the Iranian government here, and there could be acts of terror here if we did this.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
I just want to be useful. But I appreciate it. Dan Caldwell, thank you very much and Godspeed.
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So there is an enormous amount of pressure on this administration to participate in military action against Iran. And the president's position has been, I think, really clear for a long time, which is we don't want Iran to get nuclear weapons. That's bad for everybody. Yes. He sincerely believes that. He's against proliferation. He's very concerned about nuclear weapons. in general, I think.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Well, no, I was president of the country when all of that happened. And I didn't know anything, but it just seemed obvious if you have a majority Shiite country. and you force democracy, whatever that is, on that country, and all of a sudden you get a Shiite government, it's probably going to be aligned with Iran, right?
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
It went from a bulwark against Iran to an ally of Iran, which it remains, I think. It is effectively, the Iraqi government is effectively Iranian proxy. Okay, so why would you do that? I don't, I mean, was it, and this, we're getting far afield, but it's directly relevant to what's happening right now. Yeah. Yeah.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
Even I, as like a 35-year-old journalist, could see that this was going to have this effect. Why were the geniuses in charge of our policy not thinking that? Or maybe they were. Maybe there was some larger goal.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
No, it certainly wasn't. Well, whatever the motive, the actions of the U.S. government under George W. Bush greatly strengthened Iran. I mean, removed the main sort of bulwark against their expansion and freed up a lot of cash, as you just said. So here we are. We're facing enormous pressure to go to war with a country that's not Iraq, that's actually more powerful than than Iraq.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
But we would prefer, strongly prefer a diplomatic solution. And he's being attacked up and down, including by a lot of people in the administration and private. And really, we're trying to steer him toward military action. So leaving aside all the, you know, internecine fights going on, just as a real life matter, What would happen if the U.S.
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The Pentagon Didn’t Fire Dan Caldwell Over Leaks. They Fired Him for Opposing War With Iran.
A lot of this is public information, but to the extent, I know you're doing your best not to reveal anything that's classified, but to the extent you can kind of characterize it using publicly available information, what is the current strength of Iran, do you think, as a military power?
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I will say this, I'm not allowed to watch it. So obviously I haven't seen it that much as an American. It's forbidden for me to have those ideas or that information. But to the extent I have seen it, super interesting. Super interesting. It's not just news on a loop like the channels that we worked at are. It's like, here are the eight stories of the day.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
We're just going to flog the shit out of them and you can't hear anything else. They have tons of interesting stuff.
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And it's good for us and it's good for them and it's good for just talking. And by the way, even if it's not good or you think it's not good, you're not allowed to get in the way of it because that's against our constitution, which is the basis of our civilization. So back off.
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So right in the middle of a presidential campaign.
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Or other agencies.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So, come on.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
That's absolutely mind blowing. So let's just back up. You say three weeks later, they the State Department shut down the place where you work. What does that mean?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Das ist unglaublich. Hat jemand aus dem US-Staat-Departement nach dir geholfen? No, no. Did you speak again to the sinister CNN colleague who called you from the State Department after this happened?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Did he leave like a horse's head on your bed or anything like that?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So we'll welcome you back into Neocon world if you'll just bow before the throne.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I don't know. This is all so damn coded, man. It's coded, but the message is clear.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
But not even in the United States. I will say one of the smartest people I've ever met in my long life and most patriotic American I've ever met in my life, certainly up there, worked at RT. Just a fact. And I met on a news assignment in a foreign country years ago and just a truly brilliant person. But anyway.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Blunt, ja.
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2020.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So I thought, I grew up in a country that took the Second World War seriously and its lessons. Our whole civilization, our whole society in the US was based on the lessons we learned in World War II from the Nazis. That's the country I grew up in. So what were the lessons? We don't judge people on the basis of their appearance. Racism is bad. Eugenics and all that garbage, we're against that.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And number two, we don't demonize whole groups of people. If an individual does something bad, we can say that and we can punish that individual, but we can't punish his parents or his children or his neighbors because they didn't do anything. We don't believe in collective punishment. That's immoral, it's anti-Christian, but it's also the lesson of the Second World War. And so I totally buy that.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I still believe that. truly like in my heart i believe that call me liberal but it's so crazy to see like our whole society doing that and it's like you don't like putin that's fine you've got all sorts of like things you don't like he's that he's doing you want to do things he's preventing you from doing i get it
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
But to turn around and say 150 million Russians are evil or Russia is a gas station with nuclear weapons like that low IQ buffoon McCain used to say and all the other low IQ buffoons in the US Senate, which is like 95% of them. It's a gas station with nuclear weapons. Really? Have you ever read Tolstoy? Have you ever been there? You may hate Russia, but to say it's a gas station?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
You're an idiot, actually. And to hurt professional tennis players because they have Slavic last names. I don't want to live in a country that does that. Do you know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. I thought it was first they came for the so-and-so, then they came for the so-and-so, and I said nothing. It's like, that extends to all human beings.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
If they did that to the Malaysians or the Chinese or anybody, it doesn't matter. The Belgians, you can't Ja. Ja.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It's just that impulse, the impulse of the crowd to call someone unpopular and then lynch him. That's a human impulse. All people have that impulse. It's incredibly ugly. Civilization exists to keep it in check. That's why we're against lynching. It's why we're against war crimes. It's why we're against mob behavior in general.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It was everything Larry King said it would be. Really? Surprisingly so. I'm not surprised, but I think others would be surprised. Like you, I like dominion of my product, right?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And to see the US government encouraging that, whether it's against people who don't get vaccinated or Russians or just pick a group, I don't care who it's against. I'm opposed to that.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
That's the shit we gotta take care of. And hate each other, too. They inspire hate. I don't like that. I don't think a government should ever whip its population into a frenzy of hate. I think it's really scary. Even against the Russians. So I'm hardly an expert on Russia. I've been there a couple times. I don't speak Russian. I'm not Russian. I'm from La Jolla. But...
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I've come to understand their perspective and I think it's a fair perspective. Well, you worked with them. So that's my question. You know more about Russians than I do just because you worked with a lot of them. What was their perspective on the war?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Because they're rebuilding the Soviet Union and they want to take Poland. And it's like the dumbest storyline I've ever heard.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I'm aware. I'm aware.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
No, but part of Ukraine is Russian. No, I'm aware, but I'm just saying that the idea that they want Eastern Europe... Oh, right, the largest country in the world? Das ist extrem kompliziert. Sieben Mal uns? Zu einem System, einem alten System, einem westlichen System, wo du eine Sache glaubst, ich eine andere. Wir sprechen es durch. Der Mann mit dem besten Punkt gewinnt.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Ich habe alle drei gearbeitet und ich kann das bestätigen.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Zu einem System, in dem wir nur einen Villen erschaffen. Und wenn wir es nicht mögen, was die andere Person sagt, beziehen wir ihn zu dem Villen und es endet die Gespräche. Shut up, Rick Sanchez, you're a Putin puppet. You took money from Putin. Why should I listen to you? And it's like, at first when this started happening, it started happening a while ago. I was like, that's so childish.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I'm not even going to acknowledge it. And then it spread like the stage four cancer that it is. And all of a sudden, everybody thinks like that. Everybody thinks like that. It's like, you're connected to Russia. The latest is Qatar. Yeah. Es ist ein Land mit 300.000 Menschen. Es ist wie, oh, Katar ist unsere amerikanische Medien. Es ist so floridlich verrückt, aber auch so unerwartet.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Denkst du wirklich so?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It was Nicole Devinish. Nicole Wallace is her name now. Yeah. Und sie war Jeb Bushs Coffee Girl und Flack, so wie in den 90ern. Und ich habe Jeb Bush gespielt, also erinnere ich mich sehr gut an sie. Sie war total unkompetent damals, aber sie war unkompetent in dieser sehr spezifischen Weise, wie die Leute in Washington sind. Sie war total abhängig von der Botschaft.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Keine Kreativität, keine unabhängige Denkung, ziemlich niedriger IQ, nass. Aber Mann, wenn du ihr etwas sagen solltest, würde sie es einfach sagen. Ja. And it's so sad to see someone like that rewarded in this great country, which I guess she has been. I think she has a TV show still, right? Nicole Wallace? Nicole Wallace, yes. Is it still on the air? She worked for McCain.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I think she ultimately worked for McCain, but I knew her when she worked for Jeb Bush. But I just couldn't believe, like, she's a journalist?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Like, are you joking? She's like a flack and not even a good one. They're either... But obedience was her main qualification.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Oh, I'm so grateful that I did. Me too, you know? I shouldn't even ask you this in the middle, you know, on camera, because I have no idea what your answer is going to be, but there was a guy... Well, you don't know what any of my answers are. No, that's true. No, but this could be... But Dylan Radigan. Radigan, yes. Okay, so I think I was at NBC... Brilliant guy. Exactly. Yeah.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And he was on the left... Und ich erinnere mich, oh, er ist wie ein Liberaler. Er war kein Liberaler. Nein. Er war wie ein freies Denken-Lefter. Und er hat angefangen, Dinge zu sagen. Ich denke, ich habe da gearbeitet, als das passiert ist. Und er ging von dem, oh, liberaler Typ, was auch immer, Abortion, Abortion, Abortion, zu dem, hey, warum payen wir Menschen faire Wage?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Which is a real thing, as far as I'm concerned. And all of a sudden he disappeared. We never heard from him again. Whatever. And so I thought he was impressive, but I knew that his brand of politics was not acceptable. Whatever happened to him?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Und er war es. Und ich erinnere mich, ich habe Dylan Rattigan überhaupt nicht aufmerksam gemacht. Aber dann habe ich einen Tag gehört, dass er etwas gesagt hat. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich mit ihm verabschiedet bin oder nicht, aber es war interessant. Und ich konnte sagen, dass Dylan Rattigan eigentlich für sich selbst gedacht hat. Und er ist witzig. Ich erinnere mich total. Ich kenne ihn nicht.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Aber ich erinnere mich, dass dieser Typ witzig ist.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
He's banned. Oh, I've run up against that many times. And you're saying, this is a good man with interesting things to say. Or he's in the news. Like, this is a relevant person. Our viewers need to hear about this.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And they were trying to move... That foreign intervention, especially in a country you don't understand, has massive consequences, generational consequences. Exactly. Right. Have some humility when you act. Like you bomb somebody's country. Everyone's like, oh, just bomb the country. okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
At all the networks, not just CNN. But, and I never had any problem with any of them. Wolf was always nice to me, for example. Yes, Wolf's a really nice guy. Yes, totally. I completely agree. And Anders Schubert never had any problem with him at all. A little weird, but he's a nice guy. I never got any kind of human warmth sense from him. But whatever, you know. But...
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
In order to stay at a channel like that for that long, the number of deep moral compromises you have to make is crazy. Don't you think? Is that fair?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Did you ever know Jen Griffin at Fox, the Pentagon reporter? I think I may have met her, but no. I don't want to single her out. She's perfectly nice. That's not true, actually.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Whoa, whoa. And what's interesting is she just carries the, she lies and she carries the Pentagon line, not the kind of top. You know, not the defense secretary line, he's a political appointee, but the permanent Pentagon, the interest of this agency, the largest government agency. And she just carries her line no matter what. No matter what. It doesn't matter how implausible it is.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And it's a neocon line.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
No, I'm not going to.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
John Klein was attestive of my personal decency and religious principles because I was so mistreated by John Klein in the most dishonest way. No one's ever been that dishonest with me. ever in my life that when John Klein got fired, which was of course inevitable from CNN, I called him to say, you know, I heard you get fired and I'm just so grateful that you did get fired because you deserve it.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Did you say that? I didn't. So I called him on a cell. This was years later. He picks up and then I was like, that's really, don't do that to somebody. Like, I'm a Christian. Don't act like that to somebody. You know, kick him when he's down. Don't do that. So I just hung up. He's like, hello, Tucker, hello. And I hung up. Und das war das Beste, was ich tun konnte.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Was ich tun sollte, als ein Christus ihn angerufen hat und gesagt hat, du weißt, John, wir hatten Probleme zwischen uns, aber ich weiß, was es fühlt sich an, getötet zu werden. Ich bin wirklich entschuldigt. Ich konnte, ich war nicht mann genug, um das zu tun. Aber ich habe zurückgezogen. Was für ein Moment.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I don't want to kick the suffering man. I'm glad about your cancer diagnosis. Damn. I don't want to be that person. But boy, I was tempted. Because, I mean, John Klein is... I've never dealt with anybody that dishonest. Like, literally, I resigned my job at CNN. I went to lunch with my brother at the Palm on 19th Street. I'll never forget.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
This was, like, back when you didn't check your cell phone all the time. I get back to my office... Und ich habe einen Anruf von Dave Bowder, der AP-Werker, und er hat gesagt, ruf mich gleich zurück. Er hat gesagt, ich bin sorry, du hast von CNN verabschiedet. Wir haben ein Statement von John Klein. Ich habe gesagt, was meinst du mit verabschiedet? Ich habe heute Morgen verabschiedet.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Ich habe gesagt, bist du verrückt? Also habe ich John Klein angerufen. Ich habe gesagt, ist das wirklich so? Und er hat gesagt, und ich quote, als Gott schaut, er sagt, es ist nur Geschäft. Es ist nur Geschäft. I don't know why I'm telling this story. I've never told that story to anybody. But that was, yeah. That's a great story. So, John, no, but that's how the business works.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Well, it totally is. And I'm sorry that I... It's just business.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
25 years later, it's like, of course, that's what happened. It doesn't bother me at all.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Oh, I completely agree. And anyone who's shocked by that kind of stuff is naive. And I don't want to be nice. So I'm totally stepped over your story because you triggered me with Sean Klein.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So, I actually did have Doug McGregor to Fox's great credit. They allowed me to have him on. But I don't think he's been on since I left and I think they really hated him. But I think Doug McGregor is as offensive to Fox executives as he is to CNN executives as he is to MSNBC executives.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Well, it was a Neocon publication. So I'm from DC, you're not. So I happen to know the publication very well. And it's a neocon publication.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I don't want to be fired. It didn't happen to me, so I don't have the right to divulge it. But it's a publication in Washington, D.C. that is resolutely neocon. And they're like, no, this is contrary to the story that we're telling.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
This is crazy. And by the way, I don't know anything about the mechanics of what actually happened. But I can say that there is a conspiracy of temperament and worldview that is not explicit. And I doubt it's even like a true conspiracy. And I don't know if there's communication between the parties.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
But the people who work at the State Department, the people who work at the Washington Post, the people who work at every big news organization in D.C. and New York have the same worldview. Und sie wissen, dass sie wissen, dass sie wissen, dass sie wissen, dass sie wissen, It'll help Putin. So we can't say it. Right. It's like, I mean, that seems like deep.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Yeah, well, I mean, it was, and that is really, the credit goes to the Murdochs, who let me do that. You know, a lot of things to criticize, but they did.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
We are allowed to be. We're not at war with Russia, by the way. So we are in fact waging a war against Russia and have been for hundreds of billions of dollars later. You know, more than a million people dead later, you know, we're losing. But and it's all very sad. But the truth is, we're not actually at war with Russia. Congress has not declared war on Russia.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So you've got every right to go to Russia, to take Russia's side if you want. I mean, I don't think you are. You haven't been to Russia. You're not taking Russia's side. But just to be clear, you have a right to do that. Und es ist ein unabhängiges Recht.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So I do think that most journalists obey because they fear social sanction. They fear someone saying you're a Putin puppet or whatever. But in your case, you actually saw an administration try to apply the force of law. We'll put you in jail. So that's what I think is different about your story. It's not just like people are embarrassed to be seen as pro-Russia.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
They were like, no, you violate the order and you're going to prison. Das ist ein anderer Niveau, oder?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
That's all it was. But I don't want to make it about me. I just want to say, I think we had the same experience, which is the red line at all three channels is exactly the same. Question neocon foreign policy. And we're done.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Ich weiß nicht. Ja. Ja, aber es ist zu dem Punkt gekommen, wo diese Art von Lynch-Mob-Mentality so enttäuscht ist in den Vereinigten Staaten, dass es sogar zu suggerieren, dass jemand nahe zu diesem Buggy-Mann ist, genug ist, es zu schalten. Und das ist ein Leash. Was sie tun, ist, dein Verhalten zu kontrollieren.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Und was könntest du Gary in Indiana, Baltimore, Detroit und Minneapolis mit diesem Geld tun? Im Allgemeinen denke ich, dass der zerstörte Impuls satanisch ist und ich denke, dass es wirklich ein Dualismus ist, entweder du kreierst oder zerstörst. Und wenn du dich umschaut und du denkst, dass das Ergebnis all dieser verschiedenen Abenteuer nur Zerstörung ist,
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I think you can say you're serving evil. I think it's honestly that God creates, Satan destroys. I'm sorry to get all heavy on you, but I think it's just very basic.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Right? Isn't it?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Well, I mean that right from a geopolitical standpoint, where we've really, really squandered American power to the point where we have less power than most Americans understand. And it's really scary. I want America to be powerful. I want us to be able to project power if we need to. I want us to be able to protect our interests. I want us to stay prosperous and free.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And and we the degree to which we've like kind of wrecked ourselves is not obvious to people. And it makes me want to cry when I think about it.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It's the power of propaganda. It's how, you know, the State Department or your CNN former colleague calls you up. It's like, no, what the, okay, the people in charge are terrible at building things. They've built nothing. Our country is collapsing. Our infrastructure is garbage. Our population is dying. Okay, that's just a fact. Yeah. I grieve over that.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I want this country to be prosperous, free and happy. I want my kids to get married and be able to afford houses. I want them to have my grandchildren. I mean, these are like basic desires. The people running it have no ability to do any of that, to help with any of that, to actually help the population of the United States. All they can do is destroy.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And how do they pull that off without like sparking a revolution, a much needed revolution in their country? They do it through propaganda. And I have been an instrument of that throughout my life unknowingly. A propaganda that lies to people in a way that's so aggressive and all encompassing. You don't know that it's dark because there's no light. You have nothing to compare it to.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
You have no idea. Your worldview is so controlled that you have no freaking idea what reality is.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Natürlich. Ich meine, natürlich. Ich war so dankbar, übrigens, weil ich, ich werde immer, du weißt, Fox geben. Ja. Die Kredite. Es verdient viel Kredite für meine Kindheit, die sie immer waren, nicht wirklich in mein Geschäft zu kommen und, du weißt, mir all diese Freiheit für so lange zu geben. Und ich bin dankbar für die Murdoch-Familie dafür.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
But, you know, clearly, foreign policy, neocon foreign policy is the red line. They don't care what your views on transgenderism are, abortion or gun control or tax policy, all that stuff that we think is important. They don't think that's important. Go ahead and do that. Go ahead and do that. Fight amongst yourselves. Yeah, exactly. You know, have a race war. You know, great. Have a...
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Oh, das ist so wahr. Oh, das ist so wahr. And that's just a fact. And I know them because I'm from there. So anyway, I came to this very slowly, just being involved in public policy debates my entire life. I realized, oh, the only thing they really care about is the foreign policy stuff. So I got fired. And that was like totally inevitable. I knew that it was going to happen at some point.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It was a shock that morning, but like not a shock. Big picture. And I was so grateful for it and have woken up happy every single day for two years because of that. So I'm not complaining. No, I know. But you're absolutely right. It's the same thing. That's the red line. There's so many fake red lines out there.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Like, oh, you know, anyone who's like the race stuff was like most Americans do not hate each other because of race. despite the best efforts of our leaders to get us to hate each other. Man, they have tried so hard.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Right. But again, it's North Korea. But it's like you have to. You don't even know what you don't know. Right. And I didn't even know until, like, I'm a huge believer in, like, just looking at stuff and, like, smelling stuff and, like, what's the obvious reality. You can tell me any story you want, but let me go see it. Und das ist, weshalb ich so viel reist.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Und es war einfach so klar, als ich nach Moskau ging, ich will nicht da hinbekommen, ich bin nicht russisch, aber du hast mir über das geliebt. In einem wirklich großen Weg. Und wenn du mir über das geliebt hast, was anderes hast du mir über das geliebt? Anyway, whatever.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Und der echte Kampf, der sich in den letzten 2000 Jahren nie verändert hat, war zwischen Ost und West. Es ist zwischen Weltbildungen. Und du hast den christlichen Westen und du hast den non-christlichen Osten. And the truth is, Russia is really part of the Christian West.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And so anyone who's trying to make Russia into the main enemy of the United States is trying to divide and destroy the Christian West. That's just a fact. So I don't know why people don't say that. It took me a long time to figure it out, but it's just so obvious, you know.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It's so funny. Of course, Al Jazeera. I mean, just watch it all, read it all. Disagree with them, whatever. But the funny thing is, that's such like the... upper middle class half wit lady with the beach novel thing to say you know I really I watch the BBC because it's just more I don't trust CNN I watch the BBC it's the same damn thing I've heard that so many times Really, it's the BBC.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It's like, oh my gosh. So true. Anyway, Rick Sanchez, it is wonderful to see you after all these years and thank you for your amazing story. And thank you. Thank you. And for your resilience through, you know, many different jobs. I do respect that. You just keep on fighting. Amen. Amen. Dale, vamos. Thanks, man. My pleasure.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Also du hast das Gefühl, dass RT aus einer internen, editorialen Perspektive, natürlich bist du der Anker, also du siehst, was passiert. Du hast das Gefühl, dass es freier war als Fox, NBC oder MS.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So do I, says the cop. We all do. He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, drive safely, sir, and hands back his license and registration. No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Alp and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nicotine marriage. In an age of 350 million, people are guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Well, now I would say, I mean, there may be a lot of reasons, but now that you've worked at RT, I think it's illegal to hire you, right?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
How was, I mean, that must have been, because that was the moment when, well, the Ukraine War is not a Ukraine War, it's a war against Russia led by the United States. Yeah. And you're working at RT, Russia Today. Yeah. So what was that like? It was tough.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
As a proud American who's never leaving, doesn't have another passport, hasn't served in anyone else's military. I've never been to Russia.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
um you know the anti-russian hysteria in the united states was that like a comical pitch like i i don't think the us open put russian names on the screen of the players like people were not allowed russians weren't allowed to compete in sports it really became pretty evil actually i would say and but you you signed back up with rt like what was that like with people you know what did they say to you i tried not to bring it up in polite conversation
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Sounds like you've done a great job. I couldn't agree more.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
I believe you. Was there a blowback though at all to your personal life?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
We're going in a different direction.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
It's also so small-minded and childish, like these are children who don't know anything about the world at all.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Well, of course. And by the way, let me just back up a bit. You said that by the time, so you were there from, roughly speaking, like 2019 to late 2021.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
And then you come back in, say, 22 or 23. Correct. After the war begins. Yes. But by that point, you can't watch RT in the United States?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So the problem there, it's not really about Russia who owns RT or its agenda. It's about the United States, which has a Bill of Rights. The first right enumerated is the right to free speech, the right to see, hear and say whatever you choose.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
You're not a slave, you're a free man, so no one can control what I hear or what I think, right? How did they ban a TV network in the United States?
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
Yeah, I want to know everything. But I just want to set the context. This is pure craziness. And they can say, Russia bad, Russia bad, Putin agent, all they want. I don't care, personally. But what they can't do is end the Constitution, because that's not their right. It pre-exists their rule. And it will, I hope, endure after they're long gone.
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Rick Sanchez: Fired and Threatened With Jail for Refusing to Spout Zelensky’s Talking Points
So, like, I don't really know the part where they ended the First Amendment. I don't really understand that.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Were Americans involved in the overthrow of Assad last week?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But what I didn't understand and still don't understand is why we're all required to hate Assad. Speaking for myself, I don't have strong feelings about Assad one way or the other. Apparently, he's protected the Christians, so I'm grateful for that as a Christian. But why am I required to hate Assad? Tulsi Gabbard went and met with Assad. She's been attacked ever since.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Has anyone ever explained why Americans should hate Assad?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Some ophthalmologist from London is a bloodthirsty dictator. I never, I didn't really... We have to say this and...
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But why doesn't someone at the New York Times just ask the obvious question, which is, why am I supposed to hate Assad exactly? Why is it... Somehow a test of my loyalty to the United States where I think Bashar al-Assad, like who cares? That's such a core question. I've never heard anyone ask that.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yeah.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
What happens next in Syria?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
I've never felt more uneasy than I have in the last few weeks during this period between the election and the inauguration. And it does – well, it doesn't seem like it is a fact that the outgoing administration is trying to accelerate conflict to leave the incoming administration in charge of a bunch of different wars, especially with Russia.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
What a...
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Well, first of all, thank you. So many things have happened in the last two weeks. I keep thinking, where's Jeff Sachs? I want to know what this means. So the most dramatic and from my perspective, unexpected thing that happened was all of a sudden the government in Syria changed. There was regime change in Syria. Who did that? Why? And what does it mean?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yeah, just a coincidence. That's amazing. I meant to ask you, why did Russia stand aside as Assad fell?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So we've got a little over a month between now and the inauguration. Clearly, as noted, the Biden administration is trying to make decisions that are irrevocable and deepen the war between the United States and Russia and then all these other things. If you were the Trump people right now before the inauguration, what would you be doing?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
One of the promises of the new administration is massive declassification, is pardons for- Please, if it could only be.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So one of the things that I'm interested in learning about is 9-11, because I think it's important to understand why that happened. And I think my guess is that one of the reasons so many documents from 9-11 are still classified 23 years later, it's hard to imagine why, is because they tell a more detailed story about why Al-Qaeda struck the United States.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
And it seems clear it was a response to, and I'm not defending it, of course, obviously, but it was still cause and effect. And the cause was American foreign policy, was a response to that. A, do you think that's true? And B, if it is true, then how afraid should we be about future terror attacks given what we've been doing?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Do you think the new president will pardon Edward Snowden and Jelena Sanj?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Do you think it's fair to say that anyone who opposes pardons for Ed Snowden and Julian Assange should be looked at with suspicion or is actually an enemy of the country?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
world war iii that will not go well well we're we're begging south korea for munitions so the truth is we don't have the power to affect that anyway but you know this is the interesting thing already
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yes. So you said the president has assembled a divided team. One person who I think is pretty close to his stated objectives on foreign policy is Tulsi Gabbard. Yes. Who he's nominated to be director of national intelligence. Yes. the entire Senate Intel Committee appears to be against her. I think every member. And that shows that she is completely on the right side. Well, that's exactly right.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Do you think she'll make it? How important is it that she make it?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So if you're the incoming administration, how hard do you fight for her nomination?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
The Biden administration has tried to kill Vladimir Putin. That's a fact, I think. And they funded separatist groups within Russia, probably going back before Biden.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So what would happen if they succeeded in killing Putin? I mean, what... I don't understand why that would be in America's interest to have 6,000 nuclear warheads unsecured floating around in a country that's 20% Muslim and very complicated. And like, that seems like the last thing that you would ever want to do.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Yes, I remember, but that was after.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Because there's so much at stake, you sort of wonder what the people who oppose that kind of reform would do. I mean, the national security state has been willing, eager to use violence abroad again and again and again, murdering people. As I said, trying to murder Putin. Would they or are you concerned that they would be willing to use that domestically? Yeah.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
None. But every week. Every day. Fox News tells me that there's some, you know, assassination attempt by Iran. They're sending drones from their ships offshore over our country to scope it out for future attacks. I mean, Iran is presented in the U.S. media as the aggressor trying to kill Trump, for example. Yeah.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
So, the Nile to the Euphrates would include what?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
My sense is that, you know, a war with Iran feels inevitable. I'm obviously opposed to it, but tell us how you think that would go if it happens.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Amen.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Do you think that the people pushing us toward war with Iran understand that?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Isn't that amazing? But I just, again, just to refer back to the core of it, I don't understand when Assad became our enemy and why and why should I go along with that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
And that have no bearing on American national security or aren't motivated by a desire to protect the United States. There's nothing to do with that.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Why does... I mean, it's just amazing how few Americans... Many Americans love their country and would be willing to lay down their lives for it and have. But how few are willing to say what you've just said?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
When was the last time you appeared or wrote for a mainstream publication or television channel here?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But the U.S. did blow up Nord Stream.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But so, I mean, and they're acting against their own interest. This is not flattery, but it's just true. Whenever we do an interview with you, it gets millions of views, and people love it, and we make revenue off it, and it's like it's good business to have you on. I happen to agree with you and think you're wise, but it's not like people don't want to hear what you're saying. Lots of people do.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
We've proven that.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
some explanations about... No, but you specifically, so you were a fixture on different channels, NBC, for example. And so when they ban you from those channels, they're hurting themselves because viewers want to watch you. Well, it's just, I know that because I have you on. So... How exactly does that order go out, do you think? Do you know the mechanics of keeping you off?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Like one day there's just a bulletin, you know, no more Jeffrey Sachs, or how does that work?
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
Jeffrey Sachs, thank you very much.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But my understanding was the reason there were so many American intel assets there was because they were moving arms from Libya to... Oh, sorry. Yes.
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
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Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
But that was never explained. I mean, I worked at a news organization at the time that made a lot out of Benghazi and the death of a U.S. ambassador and... What was the Obama administration thinking? They were so negligent. But there was never any discussion about what they were doing there in the first place.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And Washington goes on as it does. And no one talks about 9-11 again. I think that's fair. I mean, I was there. I remember when all this happened, though. I didn't put it together in my head at all until about a year ago. I was thinking about this in the shower. Whatever happened to Kurt Weldon and his daughter? So I go on the internet and I'm like, is Kurt Weldon's daughter in prison?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Because she's so corrupt? Never talked to. So what happened?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Which committee?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Completely different and not a better country. And so there is no more significant historical event in the lifetimes of any living American than 9-11. And the fact that there are still outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why is troubling. Up until this point, most of the people who've addressed these questions are either crazy or seem slightly crazy.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, non-official cover.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Now is the time for a sober look. Not a wild-eyed speculative look, but an honest look and honest conversations with people who participated in the response to that day. Government officials. And so we're going to do that. We are planning right now a multi-part documentary series on 9-11. And we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can. And now, former Congressman Kurt Weldon.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Of course, I've duck hunted with him, yeah.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
In the Arab world, it's huge.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
All my elections were landslides. It's one of the saddest things about this country. The country is getting sicker despite all of our wealth and technology. Americans aren't doing well overall. Obesity, heart disease, autoimmune conditions, all kinds of horrible chronic illnesses, weird cancers are all on the rise.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Probably a lot of reasons for this, but one of them definitely is Americans don't eat very well anymore. They don't eat real food. Instead, they eat industrial substitutes. And it's not good. It's time for something new. And that's where Masa Chips come in. Masas decide to revive real food by creating snacks how they used to be made, how they're supposed to be made.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
A Masa Chip has just three simple ingredients, not 117. Three. No seed oils, no artificial additives, just real delicious food. And I know this because we eat a ton of them in my house. And by the way, I feel great. So you can still continue to snack, but you can do it in a healthy way with chips without feeling guilty about it. Masa chips are delicious.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
They taste how a tortilla chip is supposed to taste. But the thing is, you can hit them really, really hard, and I have, and not feel bloated or sluggish after. You feel like you've done something decent for your body. You don't feel like you got a head injury or you don't feel filled with guilt. You feel light and energetic. It's the kind of snack your grandparents ate. Worth bringing back.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
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The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Congressman, thank you so much for doing this. I haven't seen you in 20 years. One of the last times I thought about you was right around 2006. And you had been a frequent guest on the show that I was hosting then. And I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's house. And I thought, man, I was like Kurt Weldon. I guess he's corrupt. And then I never heard anything about it.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Darf ich Sie kurz aufrufen? Also, Sie hatten viel Beweise, es klingt so, dass bin Laden nicht in Afghanistan oder Pakistan war. Er wurde schlussendlich, schlussendlich getötet. Nicht in Irak, er war in Iran. Aber Iran war auch in den Kräften der Bush-Administration. Es war Teil des sogenannten Axis of Evil an dem Zeitpunkt. Die Leute sprachen über den Invasion von Iran damals.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Why would the Bush administration hide the fact that... It wasn't the Bush administration.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I believe it. We've talked about this off camera, but I just want to get to specifically... Continued? Who was hiding the fact that bin Laden was in Iran and why?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Ja, ich wette.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And then you lost that election to a guy who I always thought was kind of repulsive. And then probably 15 years passed. And I thought to myself, wait a second. Kurt Weldon was the only Republican I'm aware of. who criticized the US response, the Intel agency's response to 9-11, who wrote a book blaming elements of the US government for allowing 9-11 to happen and then covering it up.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So, I just want to get one more time to the question of why, who was hiding the fact that bin Laden was actually in Iran?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Was the point to get to Iraq?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I believe it.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And then right on the cusp of becoming, tell me if I'm getting this wrong, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, the FBI raids your daughter's house and you lose an election in which your opponent has funding from all over the United States. No one's ever heard of this guy. He's got more money and you're out of Congress. Und ich begann zu denken, vielleicht war das ein Setup.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Das ist konsistent, allkonsistent mit dem, was ich gesehen habe.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So let's get to that. They took you out in 2006 and that's kind of where this conversation began. I remember that very well. Und es war wie, es gab Bilder auf TV, ich arbeitete damals bei CNN, es gab Bilder von, du weißt, FBI und ihre blauen Jacken außerhalb deiner Tochter's Haus und es ist wie, Kurt Weldon, Korruption-Skandal. Und dann hast du verloren, Sestak? Ja.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Sestak, der war wie ein ehemaliger General und einfach wie ein Traitor.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And all of a sudden, I mean, I remember all this really well.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And then he got, you know, massive funding from around the country.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I'm just getting far afield once again. My apologies for that. But okay, so to your daughter and the FBI raid... Did you have a warning? Tell us what happened.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But what was the pretext for raiding her daughter's house? There was none. They never talked to her. So what was she charged with?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Nothing. When did they give the boxes back?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
After you'd lost.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
After you'd already been neutralized. After I'd been neutralized. It was all about getting me out. So the raid comes, you must be completely confused. Did you call your daughter and say, like, what's going on?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I don't know.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Oh, I know.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I agree. Yeah, as I've said, I've seen it up close, so I know that you're telling the truth. What they do to my family is outrageous. So this happens and... In the final month of a campaign. Three weeks. Three weeks. With this challenger who doesn't live in your district, who all of a sudden has, I think I'm remembering this correctly, a lot of his money came from California. All of it.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I believe it. Because they didn't need the advertising that week. But what's crazy, if you think about it, and by the way, I should say of Sestak, who I always thought was just such a reptile, but he had kind of like the perfect views. He was very liberal socially, but on foreign policy questions, he was just national security state. He's a loser. Perfect national security state.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
That's the Bush FBI.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Mueller was FBI Director then?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So did you call over to the White House and say, like, what the hell is going on? I called Karl Rove. He said, get a good lawyer.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Well, no one does.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Wait, so but your daughter's house gets raided. She doesn't get charged with anything.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
No one. And CNN, I'll admit it, I then worked. You know the only person that defended me?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
He was on my committee. He was not a stupid person, by the way. Whatever Joe's many faults. He's not dumb. And he gets how politics works.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Of course not. Okay, so you call Karl Rove and you say like, what the hell, Karl Rove? What is going on here? And he just says. I should get a good lawyer. That was it? Yeah.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
That's what he's like.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
He's a small fat man. There's no doubt about that. Very small. So we're not positive that cryptocurrency is the future of finance, but we do know that what we have now is broken and dangerous. Debt has never been higher in this country. Many of our so-called leaders are getting rich, serving you. It's a scam. So where does it go? Well, thankfully, there are options.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Donald Trump has said repeatedly he wants the United States to be the crypto capital of the world. He's already created the Crypto Advisory Council and recently signed an executive order to establish a Bitcoin strategic reserve. This could give normal people an alternative to the government's failing system and frankly to the US dollar.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I know, I got that.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Right, well...
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But do you know that to be true, that that is a... I can't prove it. No, but do you know that... I know they both died suddenly. The US government has the technology to infect people with fast-moving cancer.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But you believe that... And the only reason I'm pushing on this is because... I know for a fact that highly informed people in other countries with, you know, real Intel services who are not crazy or sophisticated, take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to transmit fatal cancer from one person to another or from a machine to a person. And you know that that's true?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I agree with that. And I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things that the US government has done with our money and our name over the past 60 years. starting with the Kennedy assassination, which the president issued an executive order on January 23rd to declassify. It hasn't happened. MLK, RFK, etc., etc. We should know what happened in Butler Township in July.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Ja. Until he asked questions about the official story on 9-11. At which point the Bush administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her with a crime and effectively got Kurt Weldon bounced out of Congress. I haven't talked to him in 20 years. I didn't know exactly what to expect.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But I think the big story is 9-11. The reason is...
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Okay, so, but you've also just said that two friends of yours died of fast-moving cancer. I don't know that. Well, they died of cancer. Right. But you think that the people who are hiding the truth about 9-11 are capable of murder? Absolutely.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Well, I guess that would be obvious since 3,000 people were murdered that day.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, but that I think sounds right to me.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I couldn't agree more. So... Let's get to 9-11 itself. And you were so deeply involved in so many parts of this personally, that I think it's easy to go off on different tangents.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But just to the extent that you can describe what you know to be true, you said you don't want to speculate as to motive, for example, but what you know to be true, what do you think the core truth of 9-11, September 11th, 2001 is for you?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
That's fact. To the Justice Department.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Well, then you also have it. I mean, this is just a fact. I don't know what to make of it. But you have a guy called Alex Jones, who's a broadcaster. who said that summer that the World Trade Centers are going to get hit by planes and a guy called Osama bin Laden is going to be blamed. He said that on tape with a timestamp, so we know that that actually happened. That's not making it up.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
It's not a conspiracy theory. He said that. And it's like, how would he know that? That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was thinking in Washington, where I lived at the time. So then my question is, okay, if I'm Philip Zelikow, the guy running the 9-11 Commission, I'm calling Alex Jones immediately, saying, come on in, under oath, and we're going to find out, how did you know that?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Und stattdessen hat das US-Gewerbe, insbesondere die FBI, versucht, Alex Jones zu zerstören. Und sie haben es fast geschafft. Ich meine, sie haben einen Billion-Dollar-Gesetz gegen ihn gegründet, etc. etc. Aber sie haben wirklich versucht, ihn zu töten, um das zu sagen. Und es ist so, wenn du die Wahrheit finden wolltest, warum würdest du so arbeiten?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Warum würdest du dich aus dem Kongress ausdrücken?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Jamie Gorelick, who was a Clinton DOJ.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I think Bill Kristol's cousin, too, unless I'm misremembering that.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
What would you have said?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, I believe that.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Es gibt einen Sinn, in dem das ziemlich offensichtlich ist. Warum ist irgendetwas von 9-11 noch klassifiziert? Es ist unser Land. Es ist 3.000 unserer Vereinigten Amerikaner passiert. Wir haben das absolute Recht, zu wissen, was passiert ist. Es ist nicht mal eine Frage. Und es war fast 25 Jahre her. Also verzeihen Sie mir Ihre Lesungen über die nationale Sicherheit. Aber kann ich Sie fragen?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Also, übrigens, ich habe nie etwas über 9-11 gefragt. Und ich habe aktiv Menschen, die es getan haben, getötet. Ich bin schuld davon, aber das ist ein Fakt. Ich habe es mehr als einmal auf Tape gemacht. Because my feeling was, well, you know, like that's divisive or whatever. I was a child and an idiot.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But what began to make me wonder, and I have no idea what happened in 9-11, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of Building 7. And all the wackos would be like, Building 7, Building 7. I'd be like, shut up, wackos. And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually. No plane hit that building. And it...
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Does this happen a lot when buildings catch fire?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Yeah, I mean, it certainly looks that way. I mean, look, I don't know.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Obviously. Of course. That's obvious now. But tell us from an engineering perspective. You had three buildings come down, sort of collapse in on themselves, implode, it looked like. And a lot of people have said, many credible non-crazy people have said that was controlled demolition. Was it?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Kann ich, okay, zwei Dinge. Welche Prozent der Feuerwehrleute, die da waren, sind wissenswert über die Bau der Feuerzeuge, stimmen Sie zu?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Well, they certainly shouldn't be.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
They heard explosions?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Wait, so there are, and pardon my ignorance, but there are people on tape saying I heard explosions.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Multiple people. So the counter to this, which is also kind of rooted in common sense as well, that would require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for 24 years. And that's just impossible because people talk.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
We recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is enjoy an out. Kann ich fragen, wenn wir herausfinden, ich meine, einer der Gründe, warum ich so verärgert wurde, war tatsächlich ein Alex Jones-Mann, vor Jahren, in einem Kampagnen-Event, in dem ich 9-11, Building 7, und ich war so, hör auf, Arschloch, no one wants to hear that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Und ich war ein Kind und ignorant, wie ich es viele Male ermittelt habe, und ich war falsch, weil man immer für die Wahrheit sein sollte, egal was.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Auf der anderen Seite, denke ich, war mein Instinkt informiert von dem Gefühl, dass, wow, wenn wir herausfinden, dass US-Gewerksanwälte oder Außenanwälte oder irgendjemand versteckt ist, die Wahrheit über ein Ereignis, das 3.000 amerikanische völlig ungewaltige Menschen ermordet hat. How could your country continue if you found out?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And the propaganda operations designed to discredit. Exactly. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So let me ask you a very dark question. I don't even know if I want the answer, but Flight 93, which crashed in your state in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, became a kind of, and you feel obviously so crushed for the people, Todd Beamer and the rest on that flight, and they sound like they acted bravely and all that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But, you know, Dick Cheney, President Bush was hiding off at Air Force Base, refused to come back to D.C. because of cowardice. And so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day, on September 11th, and he said, it's been reported, you know, he gave the orders to shoot down that plane.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But then they told us, no, it wasn't shut down, the hijackers were under assault by the passengers, and so they drove it into the ground. Do you think that plane was shot down by the US government?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
For sure. Well, clearly that plane was going to be used to kill Americans, no doubt.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Who are the darkest actors in the Bush administration, do you think?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So Sandy Berger was, I agree, well, he committed treason, so he should have been. He's passed now. I knew him. He was National Security Advisor for Bill Clinton. So tell us, you've made reference to him, for those who don't remember or are getting their history from Wikipedia. Who is Sandy Berger and why do you think he committed treason?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And you don't really know that until... I know it. Just because... You get older and there are some things on Wikipedia, it's like, wait, I was there. I know that that's not true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Ja, das ist notwendig für Interkontinentale.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Right. They bribed our officials.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
None of it. That's not mentioned.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Do we know what those documents were?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Sie repräsentieren chinesische Kooperatoren. Verrückte Leute.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Als ich da runterging, habe ich geschaut, was wir denken, was er verkauft hat.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
This is all so heavy. That, you know, you wonder who would take that job.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
That would take true courage. No one even mentions declassifying 9-11. I mean, it's like, oh, the Kennedy Association, UAPs. I mean, I'm all for disclosure because we own the government, we're shareholders, we're not slaves. So that's my view. I always push for disclosure and I really mean it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But a 9-11, I don't even know anyone who wants, I do, but I don't know anybody else other than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like, you can feel it glowing. You just feel like, I don't know what that is, but that's really scary.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But without naming specific names, I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned. And I would say from my impression, having lived in D.C. for 40 years, those are good guys, I think, honest people. But without naming anybody... Like people who, and those are all very highly informed people, like actually, for real, not bullshit. No, they're all real people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for real.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Of that, of those kind of people, how many that you know think, ah, this is not right, the 9-11 report? All of them. All of them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But everyone kind of knows.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Natürlich, das ist so, wie sie dich beschreiben. Ich habe noch nie einen 9-11-Show gemacht, nicht einen einzigen, vielleicht einen in 30 Jahren, jetzt 24 Jahre. Aber der einzige Grund, warum ich mit dir sprechen wollte, ist, weil ich da war und ich weiß, wie viel du weißt. And you're not a fake person at all. You're like right at the center of it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So I think you have complete credibility on this topic. And I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a wacko. If you're a wacko, then why were you going to take over the Armed Services Committee?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And if you're still paying your mortgage at 77, you clearly weren't ripping anybody off. I have no secret bank account. Clearly. So I do think you've got a lot of credibility, but it's just interesting. You're obviously very focused on this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
The people, just to restate, the people that you talk to, who are in similar positions of authority, who would have access to real intel on this, they all think that the 9-11 report was just silly. Cover up.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I totally agree.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So let me ask you one final question for people who've made it this far in the interview. And I should just, I want to say for the record, I think you've been really restrained. You haven't speculated on really anything other than things. You said, I saw this, I know this to be true. But you haven't given us some complex theory of why this happened. I can't, I won't. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But for people who are thinking, wow, this is a little more serious than I realized and I want to know more. And clearly Wikipedia is a filter. nicht ein Weg, um eigentlich die Geschichte zu verstehen. Was sollten die Leute, welche verantwortungsvollen, crediblen Ereignisse von 9-11 würdest du Leuten empfehlen zu lesen? Wo kommst du näher an die Wahrheit?
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Nein. Du wirst immer noch deine Marken bezahlen.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Ich stimme dazu.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
I'm grateful for your determination. And the last thing I'll say is, I think when you give up the love of money, you get filled with a holy power. And you clearly have been so. Congressman, thank you.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Philipp Zelikow war der Trainer.
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Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Ich möchte ein paar Schritte zurückkehren. Du sagst, was andere schon gesagt haben, nämlich, dass Elemente des US-Gewerks wirklich, wirklich hart gearbeitet haben, um zu verstecken, dass sie 9-11 verhindern konnten, dass sie alle relevanten Informationen hatten und für irgendeinen Grund es ignoriert haben. But motive really matters here.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
Do you believe that there were people in the US government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and didn't share information with other agencies, therefore 9-11 happened, which is basically the conclusion of the 9-11 report, I think? Or do you believe that there were people in the US government who knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen on purpose?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
But this conversation, the one you're about to see, raises far more questions than I ever anticipated. This is not a crazy person. These are not crazy questions. He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence of. When it ended, I asked him how many other officials who were in and around Washington during 9-11 have similar questions. And he said to me, as far as I know, all of them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
At what point following 9-11, since I just want to restate, you served in Congress for about 20 years, I think. And you really were at the heart of these questions, national security questions in the Congress. You were about to become chairman of armed services. So you're at the top of the pyramid for receiving relevant intelligence. At what point, you weren't just some random guy at all.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
At what point after 9-11, the attacks of that day, did you realize there's something bad going on here?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And he's still in touch with a lot of those people. After this conversation, which again we've been thinking about ever since, I thought it might be time to look a little more deeply into the 9-11 Commission Report. Was it accurate? 9-11 changed the United States forever. Those of us who remember it, who lived through it, can tell you this was a different country afterward.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
So give us the timeline. So you, 9-11 happens, you keep ascending in Congress and you really, and I remember this well because I interviewed you on these topics at the time, 20 years ago when your book came out. And you start saying, wait a second, the US government really blew this. There are people who knew this was happening, was going to happen and for whatever reason didn't stop it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11
And you're really the only Republican who's saying this. And then 2006, you're up for re-election. It's an even year, of course. And you're from your district in Pennsylvania after 20 years. And out of nowhere, the FBI raids your daughter's house. And we're all told it's because she's corrupt, you're corrupt, etc., etc. And then you lose and we kind of lose track of you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Dave, I'm really glad to see you. I know you've been here before, but it's nice to have you back. I am an expert in all things Tucker Carlson. So, I know you've been asked this a million times, but I'm coming to this late. How do you assess the debate that you had with Douglas Murray? Now, it's been a month. How long has it been? Something like that. Something like a month, right?
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But what is your Jewish ancestry? First of all, he suggests that you're like a fake Jew. Yeah, yeah. Claiming some Jewish ancestry. It's like you're hiding behind a cloak of ersatz Judaism.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
So why do you think he did it? I mean, he was basically, it felt to me like he was sent on a kamikaze mission. That's the way it looked. Here, the guy just flies into your aircraft carrier, doesn't sink it, but it destroys his plane, his career.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
You're right.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But he's not even in that class. No, he's not. I know Douglas, and I think that I've always gotten along with him, and I think that he's clever. But he's clever in a boarding school way. He went to boarding school, as I did, and you instantly recognize it in the way that he debates class. which is by dropping references that suggest deep air edition that doesn't actually exist.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Nations with militaries and parliaments, congresses. Like, these are countries— And what does this have to do?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
This is what the left did during COVID. It was like, wait a second. It seems like this came, you're telling me it came from a pangolin in a wet market, a fish market, a mammal sold in a fish market. Yeah. Somehow, you know, was the genesis of this virus. But there was this level three bio lab like a mile away. Maybe that was a source. They're like, oh, you hate Asians. And they claimed racism.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
I think he's clever. He's got a kind of bullshitty boarding school vibe to him again that I recognize that I have sometimes. Right. So I'm not, you know, not trying to be holier than thou, but like the idea that he's an expert is absurd. He's a journalist like the rest of us who's been taken on PR tours in various countries by their governments trying to win his support. Got it. I've done that too.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
So you couldn't pursue that line of inquiry. I see people like Douglas Murray supposedly on the right. And there are a lot of others like Douglas Murray saying the same thing. Like you can't. You can't express an opinion about where your tax dollars go or about people dying or else you're a bigot.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
I couldn't agree more. And I do think Douglas, though he's not an expert or a genius, is smart enough to understand that. But he did it anyway.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
And I don't know his motive, but... In the moment that I think made me actually turn it off, I had to stop watching, but it was most revealing of all, is when he goes after Daryl Cooper, the historian, really one of the great historians in the United States, Daryl Cooper, and doesn't know his name. Yeah. But goes after him personally as like a Nazi or something.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
And let me just parenthetically, and I'll shut up after this, but Daryl Cooper is one of the kindest, most reasonable, most fundamentally liberal people I know, anti-Nazi people. I know a guy who you could give your routing number to would never steal money. Yeah. A guy who, if he had absolute power, would kill nobody.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Like a truly decent Christian man basically called him a monster and didn't even know his name. And so that suggested to me that he was like briefed by somebody before. So make sure you get in this Holocaust, which he's not. Daryl Cooper said, Like, what is that?
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Um, but he's hardly an expert on anything.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It's just so funny. I'm too old for a lot of this stuff. And so I thought, you know, among the many lessons, great lessons of the Second World War that I grew up marinating in, dehumanizing people is bad. Treating human beings like they're not human is bad. And I still believe that. I think it's the core of Christianity. But it's also just the core of any civil society, any decent society.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
And that's what Daryl is trying to do. And I don't know that I've ever heard anybody try and take apart his his factual analysis. It's always always immediately goes to motive. You're a Nazi. Shut up. You're a Holocaust denier.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It's also... But why? Why should Daryl Cooper... And by the way, a number of my friends, people I really like, have been involved in this. Like, their authority has been marshaled to destroy Daryl Cooper. And I grieve to see it because they're paid to do it. It's so degrading to them and dishonest and sad. But why? Daryl Cooper's like this one guy living in the Pacific Northwest. He...
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
why spend all this time and energy to destroy him?
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Yeah, and from my perspective, it's like not even about principle as much as it is effect. If what we're doing was working, then I guess I wouldn't be interested in, you know, analyzing it so critically. But it's not working. It hasn't worked for the West, which I love. It's where my ancestors are from. It's where my children live. So it's like... I don't know.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
I think it's fair to ask, like, how did we get here? It's all falling apart. Why? And maybe the assumptions were bad. And what are those assumptions? Well, they're rooted in that war, as you said. It's just interesting that anyone would want to defend that. Like, I don't really... I still don't get the motive. Maybe I never will. Like, why would you want to defend any of that?
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Why would you want to defend Dresden or Gaza or any things that America did? But by the way, it's not attacking... It's not attacking Israel. I'm attacking the U.S. government, which I pay for, which my ancestors helped build, like... Yeah. Why would you ever want to defend bad things?
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
You're right. You're totally right. By the way, I've been there. So I have felt defensive. When I first heard Alex Jones' question 9-11...
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But, you know, he believed it. I mean, I think Jesse Ventura is a whole rabbit hole I won't even go down. But I think Jesse Ventura is a very flawed guy. For sure. We're all flawed people. I'm a little less judgmental than I used to be. Now that I know the depth of my own shittiness. But, which I think is important. Yeah, yeah.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Meditate every day on your death and your own flaws and you'll be a happy person with better perspective. But I shouldn't have done that. I don't know why, you know, my views are so different. But anyway, the point is, I understand what you're saying.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Or how about the only question that matters is whether or not something is true. Yeah. And another way to put it, a phrase that I've coined and made copyright is facts don't care about your feelings. That's a good one. You like that? Someone should really run with that. I like that. That's a good... You could get a long way. You could get like a special deal with Facebook on the basis of that.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But I actually agree. I agree with that. Right. And I agree. I don't think you should hurt people's feelings on purpose. But I think the core question, the only one that matters...
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
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We strongly recommend it. So Sam Harris, wow, he doesn't care for you at all, or it looks like me either, but whatever, I'll ignore the stuff about me. I'm not exactly sure who Sam Harris is, but sad atheist guy. But he describes you as a pure misinformation artist who lies as freely as he breathes.
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And I just thought as I read this, I could say, you know, Dave Smith, I don't know, whatever, but I feel like that's the opposite of the truth. I feel like maybe you lie under duress, but in general, you are, like, very focused on what you think is true.
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I'll take that. Pure misinformation.
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Exactly. Did you see the Tim Dillon thing the other day?
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That was like, I texted him. I said it was so funny. Tim Dillon, the brilliant comedian. He's the best. Sam Harris has a meditation app. I didn't even know that. So by day, he's a meditation guru. And by night, he's encouraging like carpet bombing of children.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But why the emotion? So I notice it even now in our conversation, there's a lightness to the way you describe things. You obviously have passionate views, but you don't seem emotionally overwrought. Douglas seemed emotionally overwrought. This guy, Harris, seems emotionally overwrought. They seem very emotional. What is that?
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But it's just so interesting that they're so brittle about it. You'd think if you're an atheist, you'd be like, does it really matter? I mean, there's no right or wrong, obviously, because how can who's the authority on that? Well, there is no authority. So it's all just a matter of preference. And in the end, you just cease to exist. And so the stakes are zero. So what are you so mad about?
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Like, why do you care? You'd think everyone would be like, well, I'll take it a step further.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Can I just interrupt and say, knowing you pretty well, I think I mean this. I believe I would take a lie detector test and pass. I believe that if you read those books and found that you were wrong, that you would admit it.
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Not really. I mean, I spent my whole life in cable news. It obviously is in terminal decline. I had all kinds of views that I argued for passionately. They were totally wrong. I admitted it. I gained perspective and humility in admitting it. You're just a human being.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It's not hard. It's the only act of liberation that's really possible in this life. is freeing yourself from like the lies. And the number one lie is I'm God. Yeah. And like I'm omniscient or, you know, was perfectly wise person, whatever. It's like, you know, you make mistakes. You're a ridiculous primate. It's a little bit. Covered in fur, like just admit it.
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Before someone sees through it. There's something in people that the lowest part of people that instinctively accuses others of doing what they're doing. And I've never really, man, that's the one thing I don't want to be is a guy who does that.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But I remember Bill Kristol, who I worked for for years and really liked and was grateful to, and he was a great boss in the 90s, and came out against me and called me a Nazi and all this stuff, like without calling me. By the way, I called him and asked him to lunch. He refused. He wouldn't go to lunch with me. End of our relationship.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But one of the criticisms against me, I'll never forget it when I realized this phenomenon was real, was when he accused me of advocating, and I'm quoting, for an ethnostate. A lot of flaws. They're all on display. I've never wanted an ethnostate. And it's like, wait, one of us is for an ethnostate, and it's not me. But you just said that, like, of all the possible criticisms.
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Lose all self-awareness to the point where I've got lunch on my chin and accuse other people of doing exactly what I'm doing. Exactly what I'm doing.
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I don't want to be that guy.
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No, but that's kind of the asset test, right?
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Mark Levin, who I also know, I mean, I've been in right-wing world my whole life. I know everybody. I work with Mark. I've always gotten along with Mark. Always been nice to me. But yeah, he just accused Trump, the Trump administration of anti-Semitism. for calling someone a neocon. Well, what he did was he accused Steve Witkoff of antisemitism. Right.
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And I just want to say, I think Steve Witkoff is, if there's anyone who is, you know, has the hand of God on him, it seems to me, I sort of overstate it, but I feel that way. It's Witkoff, who's like a thoroughly decent man. And who was running around the world trying to bring peace between nations.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
So here's what... I mean, here's what he said. I actually wrote this down because I was really bothered by it. This is Levin on Twitter, Mark Levin, who works at Fox, which basically seems to turn its programming over to advocating for... a war with Iran, neocon is a pejorative for Jew. Unbelievable.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
And this is in response to Wyckoff saying, quote, the neocon element believes that war is the only way to solve things. So you have Mark Levin calling Steve Witkoff an anti-Semite. Right, right. And again- We've reached peak.
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It doesn't matter.
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For themselves.
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I worked for Bill Kristol for five and a half years. I was a neocon.
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But if Mark Levin is calling the Trump administration anti-Semitic, Steve Witkoff, we're at the end of something and the beginning of something new. That's right. Right? I mean, that's so... I almost called Mark when I saw it because I really, I know him, but I really love Steve Witkoff and I think his decency, I don't agree with him on everything at all, but his decency is just... Palpable.
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I mean, it just comes through. His concern for people, his reasonableness is just so obvious. And the effects of what he's done have been so great. Great for America, great for the world. So I was so offended. And then I thought, I'm not going to solve anything by calling Mark Levin and scolding him. Scream at me! But I did think, like, he's not stupid.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
If you're calling Steve Witkoff an anti-Semite on Twitter, like, you know you're losing, right? Is that what that is?
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It's scaring the crap out of people. I'm getting texts from people I really love personally who are very, very, you know, who aren't paying a lot of attention. They just hear that there's anti-Semitism and I'm part of it and hurts their feelings and they're confused and upset. And it's like, it has such a divisive effect. Yeah. Like for real. And it's, I'm a little bit concerned.
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I mean, dead broke. Only on, just to be, put a finer point on that. What do they mean? Not in your personal life. Your personal life is more buttoned down than most people who work at Fox News.
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But that's, believe me, that's not what they care about. They don't care, trust me.
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I would say, yeah.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It was just funny that I think that Murray thought he was administering the kill shot. I think that's what it was supposed to be. But the opposite happened. It's like, and not to brag, I knew this as I was watching it. I was like, Dave is about to become way more famous, but not just famous, more authoritative, more respected, more closely listened to than ever before.
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Has that been your experience?
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Later director of the CIA, yes.
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Dad's here. Right.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
I wonder, though, if there's not something a little more sinister underneath it. I mean, you keep referring to this as debate, but it wasn't... No, that's true. Of course, it was not a debate. It was Douglas trying to scold Joe into never having you or anyone like you on his show again. It was basically he was playing the heavy a little bit. It was kind of threatening, I thought. Like...
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You know, you don't really know because you were a sitcom actor slash comedian slash bow hunter that actually you're playing with some pretty serious shit, Joe Rogan. And we've been watching, and maybe you should stop having these people on. That was definitely the vibe I got from it.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It's like, OK, so you're you look, I'm saying this is just an animal farm at the end of animal farm where the pigs and the people are indistinguishable. Like if you're a conservative using the word platform as a verb. Yeah.
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I'm like, right. It's Bill Kristol calling me, you know, calling for an ethnostate.
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So that's when I stopped laughing. That, I mean, that is shocking to me. And the fact that the Congress had scheduled, it was thanks to Marjorie Taylor Greene, it was pulled off the schedule, but God bless her.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Marjorie Taylor Greene is who, that's where we're at. You know why? Because Marjorie is totally sincere. Yeah. She's actually not a liar. She's sincere. That's why they hate her. But there was a blah, blah, blah. Vote scheduled on a bill that would have made it a felony for Americans to participate in a boycott of Israel.
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And as someone who has zero interest in participating in any kind of boycott, much less against Israel, I'm just not interested. I'm happy to whatever, buy the hummus and use the software. I don't care. but I probably would have engaged in one just to make the point that I'm a free man in a free country. And we can't like, how could you even consider voting on something like that?
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Sam Harris is engaged in for 20 years.
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I know.
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I know.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It's hard to overstate how much I hate that, by the way. Yeah. Well, right. And I mean. There are a lot of unreasonable Palestinians, of course. There are also some wonderful, a lot of Christian, a lot of Christian Palestinians who A lot of wonderful Muslim Palestinians. So I hate that. I just want to say that. Yeah, it's terrible.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
After that. After he said it was good that a baby was dead?
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I love what a higher IQ you have than Douglas Murray.
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contradiction that I doubt he's aware of.
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That's right.
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Literally.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Because people are what matter. Yeah. In the end, right? And all your theories are valid to the extent that they serve people. And when they hurt people, then they're invalid, you know, I think. Yeah, I think so. So you said that there's this... Brand new media landscape, information landscape, possibility of true free thinking and free speech.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
I think it's all true because the old control system has shattered, as you said. So we're living in this just incredible moment. How long can it last?
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It doesn't even matter if you're getting grilled. So true.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
I think that has to be stopped. I think that has to be stopped. And, you know, I don't want to be, like, too paranoid. But one of the, I think some of the anger and the hate online is... you know, is organic and it's rooted in frustration and facts in some cases. And I, you know, I'm not, it's not all bad, but some of it is so clearly inorganic that,
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It just obviously is that you sort of wonder, like, is this all a pretext for shutting it down? I just can't escape that.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Oh, and a handmaid's tale, like ultimately we're going to have Sharia law. Well, it's, but it does, you know, it's, and then, right. People are always like, really? How did the Muslims take over Europe? Because Europe went tranny? That's why? Right, right, right. You're going to see white girls begging for Sharia law by the end.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
The problem is that so much has been hidden either intentionally or just through kind of the veil of misdirection that people are learning a lot of stuff at once. And it's frying some circuits. And I think the thing that I try to meditate on every single day is that I am commanded to and intend to treat each individual as an individual, period, period.
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Because you're not an expert yourself.
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And when you do that, it keeps you from going totally insane. And it also opens you up to the beauty of life, to the joy of life, which is being surprised by people and their complexity, good and bad. And like the capacity of someone like Steve Witkoff to like do stuff. If you'd asked me, can Witkoff do that? I don't know. I mean, I knew Witkoff before, but like, look what Witkoff is doing.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
It's incredible. I don't know. It's just treat people as individuals. You're commanded to do that. And I do think it's harder to do that online.
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hard to become addicted to cocaine. People seem to pull it off anyway, but I never understood that. How could you become addicted to this? You feel horrible. I know.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
And actual knowledge too. Right. And I just refer back to the boarding school thing. It's like the whole point of that style and debating is to create the illusion of knowledge. Well, that's it. You have an Aeschylus quote, sort of, you know what I mean? Or you can cite the titles of three D.H. Lawrence novels, but you haven't read the novels. You haven't read Aeschylus.
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You don't actually have it.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Well, the question is, does the human being have a soul? Yes, exactly. Something that is distinct from all others. There are billions of human beings in this world. You are fundamentally different, not just in your fingerprints and iris scan, but in your soul. This thing that we can't quite define, but that we know is real. Yes. And that's why you have a right.
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That's the only reason. Exactly.
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Yes.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
But you don't even have the material. You haven't even read the books. It's a sleight of hand.
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Yes, and there is something about the form, though. I do think form matters in the same way reading a book on Kindle is a different experience from reading one in print. It just is. Wish it wasn't. There's something about the form of social media that disaggregates people from their souls. Or at least that's my experience of it. Like, you can just get so pissed off
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that you forget that every person... You were telling me this at breakfast this morning. You're telling me the preamble to Daryl Cooper's World War II series.
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Will you say that?
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And when Daryl Cooper does the series... We're having him back this summer. I can't wait.
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I wonder if they're getting paid from the same source. I suspect some of them are. In fact, I don't suspect I know.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
We're not allowed to do that. I mean, you play with fire when you do that. And I've stayed silent a lot as I've seen it happen, and I feel shame thinking back on it. When Osama bin Laden's wife was shot... I remember thinking, okay, she got shot and married to Osama bin Laden. That's a pretty risky proposition, being married to Osama bin Laden and living in Pakistan. Got it.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
So I guess, you know, there are risks and she knew what they were. On the other hand, I'm not cheering an unarmed woman getting shot to death under any circumstances. And I don't want anyone in my country doing that either because I love my country and I love the people who live here and they're my... my countrymen. And I think it's bad to just stay silent. Okay.
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But don't, anybody who encourages you to take pleasure at the death of another person is, you know, acting on behalf of forces that we should be rejecting. Yeah.
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That guy's a good interviewer.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
He's a great interviewer. Everyone makes fun of Lex Friedman. I made fun of Lex Friedman, probably. I heard other people do it. I didn't say anything. And then I was interviewed by Lex Friedman. I was like, this guy's weirdly good at this.
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Well, look what he gets. He gets... Did he get good... I haven't seen it. Did he get good stuff?
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Now they have slave markets in Tripoli. It's humanitarian.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Well, it is disgusting. And I think you don't have to know the right answer going forward to know what the wrong answer is. Right. And it's just, again, you want to treat, you want to approach life and statecraft and bureaucracy and everything in your life with humility. Like, I don't always know the outcome. Yeah. I'm not God. I have limited power.
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I think I know that murdering a six-year-old girl will bring world peace, but what if it doesn't? Right, right. Whatever. I think dropping an atomic bomb... On the off chance? Yeah. It doesn't work out? On the off chance, I think... you know, dropping the atom bomb will stop an invasion of Japan. Okay. I think dimming the sun will stop global warming, but maybe I'm wrong.
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You know, maybe I'm wrong because I'm a person and it's when people stop remembering the limits to their own wisdom and power that things like that you get genocides and
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I know some. Yeah, there are awesome people.
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Exactly, exactly.
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Dave Smith: Debating Douglas Murray, the “Woke Right” Narrative, and the Moment He Found God
Well, I agree with that. That's right. And that's why I felt from the beginning kind of like Shanghai into this. I mean, I don't care on the level that I just want to focus on my own country. But if we're deeply involved in it, then I have an obligation to care if it's my job to pay attention to what our country's doing, which it is.
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I married you a woman like that. Yeah.
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Come on. And those are fair terms, by the way. I mean, those are the terms that the rest of us live our lives on. Yeah, that's right. I mean, you make budget decisions in your home on the basis of what you can afford. Yeah. And there's some things you don't do. You know, all of us mere mortals have those constrictions on our behavior.
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Like, they're the things I want to do and they're the things that I think I'm capable of doing. There's a big difference.
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I just think it's getting too out in the open. And I do, I mean, I guess I fret too much in general, but I do worry now that it's like super obvious. Yeah. What's going on that things will just devolve into like somewhere very ugly.
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This actually is creating like an existential threat to them. I completely agree. If I live there and I think enough of Jerusalem that I would like to live in Jerusalem, I think it's the most incredible city in the world. I truly love it. But I would leave because I think they're – and I said this to an Israeli friend of mine recently. Like, I'm a little bit concerned.
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Not that it's my job to be concerned for your country. Lots of other people have that taken care of. But just as a bystander, it's like, whoa, this is not good. And I didn't – you know, he had no sense of what I was talking about. But I – Yeah, no, I think the one area where I agree with Mark Levin is that Israel is really in danger.
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And I think it's people like Mark Levin who are putting Israel in danger, in my view.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that way. No, I think that's right.
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Yeah, I mean, come on. But that's so low.
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You're the famous debater?
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Right.
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It's so funny. The first time I heard that, I was like, wait, are you actually mad that I asked a question? Isn't anyone who's trying to shut down questions, isn't that person by definition on the wrong side? Yeah. Well, you know what's funny? Like, what world are we living in? I've lived too long. I should have died 10 years ago.
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Well, in fact, everything they do mention is a way to avoid mentioning.
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I didn't know it until Bobby came on my show. Yeah, me neither. Back when he was banned. Yeah, no. But I have to say the thing that I have learned really above all other things is the only way to assess a claim is on the basis of whether or not it's true. Right, right. Not on whether or not I want to hear it.
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on whether or not I've thought of it before, whether or not I'm shocked by the fact that you asked the question. The only thing that matters is, is it true? Now, can I know? Most of the time, no, I can't know. But I want my orientation, the way I approach each question to be the same every single time, which is, is that true?
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And the second I stop caring about whether it's true, then I'm acting on behalf of evil. Right. It's that simple. Right. Right. Yeah. No, I completely. So Bobby Kennedy's like, oh, COVID's, you know, targeted on the basis of genes. I was like, really? Is that true?
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Or it's so painful to reexamine the worldview I've built on what would be a fake assumption that I'm not going to do it. I'm going to yell at you instead for challenging that worldview. Like, that doesn't work either because it's already happened. You can only lose your virginity once. Right, right. And once you realize that the Warren Commission really was... A cover-up. I mean, it just was.
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And on the base of evidence, I've concluded that. Then it's like, okay, if the U.S. government will hide details about the murder of a democratically elected U.S. president, then there's really nothing that they wouldn't do, right?
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So I came to that independently, having known a lot of those people. I know Bob Woodward personally, and I lived in that world for my whole life. And Nixon had the highest popular vote percentage of any president in American history. I didn't in 72. I just didn't even know that. And when I found that Bob Woodward... was a naval intelligence officer detailed to the Nixon White House.
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And then the next year gets the biggest story in journalism history handed to him. And how old was he? Three, 28, something like that. That happens a lot. That's totally, that's totally normal. And Deep Throat was the deputy director of the FBI and the guy they installed as president was on the Warren commission. Yeah.
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Yeah, I never liked Gerald Ford because of the withdrawal from Saigon on April 30th, 1975. I just thought that was like... Everything about that was so ugly, but... Whatever. Yes, I agree. So it's not enough to say I'm not allowed to think something.
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And that doesn't make you an anti-American bigot. No. Any more than saying like criticizing a government does not make you a bad person.
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There's so many of them. So last question, you made reference to the Brett Weinstein conversation we had last week about creationism versus Darwinism, et cetera, et cetera, the existence of God. Do you find in your life – this is a quiz I give a lot of people – more people you know personally talking about God – than you did, say, 10 years ago. Yes.
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What happened?
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He didn't have a response to why this wasn't Wolfowitz has an identifiably Jewish name. You're abetting anti-Semitism by bringing it up, even though he's a government official who helped get us into this war that killed a million people.
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I don't hear people compliment their spouses enough, actually.
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Exactly right.
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It's so organic. Well, that's right. A lifetime of not believing and then you just start praying.
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No, this is a more profound argument, actually.
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That's what matters. So he's, of course, a very pro-Kurdish, I would imagine. Right, yes, yes, I'm sure. Well, I actually have been there. Have you? Yes, I have been there. And I can say firsthand, the most brutal people I've ever met in my life were Kurds. Like, actually, I saw it firsthand. So I'm not against the Kurds or whatever, but it's just interesting, everyone in Washington...
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Well, not to be like too blunt or too personal, but you're on the cusp of like change in your life on the basis of what's happened in the last month in your life. I've just seen this story so many times.
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So to be vulgar, your income in this year will be higher than last year. I'm just telling you that because you're, Way more famous. And you're also on the right side of history, I think. Yeah, I hope so. And, and certainly on the right side of popular opinion. So like that, do you think, I mean, the danger in life is getting what you want and finding yourself unhappier. Yeah.
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Are you worried about that?
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No one's ever met a Kurd. Can't define what a Kurd is. Everyone reflexively loves the Kurds. And I've never had strong views about the Kurds. But again, I just want to say I've seen it in action in Iraq. And I was shocked by the Kurdish behavior personally.
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Pellegrino, not Perrier. Dave, it's wonderful to see you. No matter how many times you've been here, I hope you'll return.
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Well, the money thing is important to that extent. Money does not make you happy, but being dependent on other people's money can make you enslaved. Yeah. and not having debt, not having investors. We don't have debt or investors. That makes a huge difference in my life. But you also have actual skills. You can just go do shows for the rest of your life. Do you know what I mean?
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And I'm quite happy to do that. Right, that's what I'm saying. So actually, you were talking about Matt Walsh, who I really do like, and I thought to the extent that You know, he said what he said. Kind of impressive considering he works at The Daily Wire. He still works at The Daily Wire, however. And I know I'm not mocking him at all. I worked at Fox News for, you know, 15 years.
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And you do have like in the back of your mind, like, oh, can I say that? Or, you know, you self-censor even when you're not aware that you do. But if you're truly independent, then you can be independent. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the best. The best. It's really just so great. Well, I think you're funny, even if Douglas doesn't. Dave, thank you. Thank you, Tucker.
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Well, I wouldn't say you're Jewish. And that gets me to... I mean, I don't think you've convinced Douglas that you're Jewish. Well, that's true. I saw that and read the commentary after, and as someone who's always liked Douglas and known him for a while, my first instinct was, wow, he just destroyed his career. Like, he's done. No smart person will ever take Douglas seriously again.
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And I don't know if he felt that way, but it was clear by a day or two after he realized he destroyed his career. And in response, rather than admitting that and admitting what he'd done wrong, he attacked you, really kind of doubled down in the New York Post. I want to read this because I was offended by this.
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he goes, the whole column's an attack on you, and I'm quoting, claiming some Jewish ancestry, Smith has spent the last 18 months since October 7th being very unfunny.
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Claiming some Jewish ancestry. Now, I'm not really sure Well, I'm just going to... I don't know why that just... Oh. Well... So, do you claim some Jewish ancestry?
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Can he win? Yes. So I should say I know Eric Adams and I like him. Eric Adams can win. I am highly distressed by how dirty and chaotic and dangerous New York is. I'm really, really bothered. I almost don't even care about the ideology. I don't care what, you know, rent control debates or tax. I just want to be safe walking down the street. I get it.
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And he doesn't seem to have been able to do that.
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I'd like to hear you do it.
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It's totally immoral for the government at any level to impugn your character without charging you. If you have the evidence, charge me.
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What they said is everyone looked at the indictment and was like, wait, you accepted airline upgrades? And by the way, every member of Congress does that all the time?
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That's fair, but that was later in his term. He didn't take crime seriously. Nobody did. And so my question is, let's try and take your brother and Adams out of it. If you were running for mayor of New York, what would you run on? Free pizza.
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I do like pizza. Obviously, a lot, too much. I've given up pizza for lunch.
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um to do it. The way that just slides out of your mouth.
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A fascist? Yeah, like Bloomberg. He wasn't a fascist. I don't mean fascist in like hating people on the basis of ethnicity or anything like that. I mean like someone who enforces the rules and is not embarrassed about it at all. It's just like, I'm sorry, that's against the law. We're not putting up with it. Not for one second. No, you can't. And by the way, you're smoking weed on the street?
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How about no? Like, no. We're not a little bit of Singapore in New York City. Honestly, as someone who travels a lot, I find it really embarrassing going to New York. I find the airports embarrassing. The drive-in is embarrassing. I'm an American. I love my country.
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I don't know by what standard. I think it's way better. I agree. But like it took like 20 years to do that. It was pathetic. It's just like build a freaking airport like everyone else does. It's hard. Andrew was the only one who could get it done. I was in the Doha airport two days ago. I texted my wife for this picture.
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I was like, this is what we could have if people would just stop being ridiculous. Build something beautiful. Maintain it.
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I shouldn't have used the word fascist.
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You need someone who's committed to protecting the weak.
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Nun, ich würde, ich würde nur stark damit stimmen. Ich bin völlig gegen die Kultur. Bloomberg war kein Faschist. Ich weiß nicht. Er war gut am System verwenden. Das ist ein Begriff, den ich. Das ist der Grund, warum er drei Begriffe hat. Ja, schau, ich hasse es. Ich glaube, es sollte legal sein, dass Politiker Dinge nach sich selbst nennen.
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Keine Politiker sollten jemals etwas nach sich selbst nennen. Das ist meine Meinung. Because we're paying these people. They're our servants. Why are they taking our money to build money and spend it to themselves? So I'm against all self-aggrandizement by anybody, actually, especially politicians. I'm just saying it's the greatest city in the greatest nation on earth. And it looks like garbage.
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Like it smells. It's dirty. It doesn't work. very well. It's like, it's not acceptable. Travel around the world. Not everyone lives like that. And we don't have to. So like, let's just make it worthy of the great nation that it represents.
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So there's not this weird hypocrisy where they encourage you to have your brother on because he's famous in the news, is what CNN did to you. From my perspective watching, they encourage you, hey, Chris, call your brother, have him on.
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I mean, I'm for that level of intensity. You just cannot let people wreck the city. You can't let them live on the sidewalks. That's how he feels. You can't let them smoke weed in the parks. I agree with you.
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Yeah.
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They went after his family. They did overcome. Sons in jail. He did overcome in jail. Right. They shot.
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But it's an inspiration. Like, you know, whenever you think of Trump or what he does, he's basically saying the same things he was saying 25 years ago. You can pull the tape on Larry King live about tariffs. about immigration, about foreign policy. He's basically, I mean, he's changed, of course, on a lot of little things, but on the big things, exactly the same. And he just kept going.
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And it worked. Maybe Trump is the lesson that there are limits to what the personal attack is.
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And that's the message. That's an example of what I'm saying. I think there are many examples, but that one was so florid and crazy that, and it's still going on, that to this day I don't understand it. And we live in a world where there are always going to be people who want to wear women's clothes or whatever. Oh, I understand it. To elevate Trannyism to the top of the agenda list?
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I can think of a million topics on which that is true. I think I see that with guns on the right. Maybe right. You know, I'm an absolutist on that. I could tell you why it's not even that interesting. But what I think. But, you know, the right to self-defense is a part of natural law.
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The idea that a man can become a woman by wishing it so is not only a violation of natural law, it's a violation of nature itself. It's like inherently insane. It's a denial of physical reality. And so why? So the argument is, you know, there are people with weird sexual impulses who we shouldn't like scapegoat and hurt. I mean, I'm totally in agreement with that.
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But to force the rest of us to tell a lie, that's when you feel like, well, this is a spiritual attack.
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Es ist mehr als das. The idea that the government should be involved in people's sex lives is a shocking concept to me. I don't think it should be. Me either. And they're promoting homosexuality, promoting it. And I'll tell you how we know that they're promoting it, because its incidence has risen dramatically. Now, when I was...
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A young man, there was a debate over what percentage of the population is gay. I was never anti-gay for the record and I'm not now. But it's an interesting question. They would say, you're born that way. You're born gay. You cannot criticize someone on the basis of his immutable characteristics. Great. I totally agree with that.
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But then we saw the absolute incidence of self-reported homosexuality like triple. So clearly people aren't born that way. You know, 30 percent of eighth graders were born gay. No, that's not true. And so there's been this dramatic rise that none of us are allowed to notice. It's like you can't notice that. Well, why? OK, yes, I can. And I'm sort of thunderstruck by it. Like, what is that?
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And it clearly is homosexuality. Manifestation of the deeper truth, which is maybe people, some people are born gay, but people can also be moved towards self-identifying as gay. And that's exactly what's happened. So why? Anyway, so like, I don't think that's good. I don't think that's good.
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And I also don't understand why the government should be taking my tax dollars to convince people that certain forms of sex are better than others, particularly non-procreative sex. Like, what the hell is that? Well, look.
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Okay, aber ich möchte nur, es ist wie die core Frage, woher kommt das, dass man gay ist? Ist es inborn? Wir wurden gesagt, du bist so geboren. Okay, also wo ist die Gene? Es gibt keine. Ich kenne die Genetik nicht, aber ich glaube... Niemand hat eine Genetik isoliert.
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Hundert Prozent. Oh, ja, absolut. Wo sie zu jung waren, um sie zu mimikieren. Ich habe das absolut bemerkt. Und ich sage nicht, dass es keine genetische Komponente gibt. I'm just saying, and I don't know the answer, is the truth. But what I do know is if you've got a third of middle schoolers saying, I'm not heterosexual, that's not... Plays to a fad. That's not inborn. That's not inborn at all.
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Yes, both are true. But I guess the point I'm making is it's really clear that the federal government, state governments, local governments and NGOs are promoting homosexuality among kids. Obviously true to me. And transgenderism among kids. And my point is... Das ist nicht akzeptabel.
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Und als ich ein Kind war, wenn ein Junge zu einem Kind in einem Park ging und mit ihm über seine Sexgeschichte gesprochen hat, dann konnte man den Mann schießen, weil das nicht akzeptabel ist, mit anderen Kindern über Sex zu sprechen. Period. Und jetzt ist es nicht nur akzeptabel, es ist die Regel und es wird von meinen Taxen bezahlt. Und ich sage nur, das ist wirklich zerstörerisch.
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Toleranz? Na, Frieden ist keine Toleranz. Frieden ist das Gegenteil von Toleranz. Frieden ist eine Feier. Und du feierst bestimmte Sexaktionen mit anderen Kindern. And I just think right there you've crossed a line.
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I'm talking about kids. I'm talking about schools. And by the way, I don't have any problem with heterosexual pride, gay pride. People are happy about the way that they live. That's fine. I have a huge problem with schools or governments getting involved in Die Sexualität von Kindern.
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Aber jede Schule tut das. Es gibt keine Schule, die nicht hat. Ihr Job ist es, alle sicher zu halten. Nein, aber es ist nicht sicher, es ist es, es es.
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Ich habe das noch nie erlebt. Ein riesiges Prozent der Middle Schooler sind gay. Im Allgemeinen sind die Beziehungen überratet, aber es gibt einige Dinge, die man nicht stehlen möchte. Und für mich sind Familien-Schotten, die ich von meinem Vater bekommen habe, Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
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Let me ask you a question that for some reason seems to have sunk beneath the waves. The JFK story, 62 years ago, the president's murdered, pretty clear that the story we were told isn't true. And it bothers people because it gets to a core question, which is, is the president capable of making independent decisions? Or is there a threat of physical violence against all American presidents?
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Das persisten.
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Different agencies. No, no, no, whatever.
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Okay, so I've always thought that. And then in January, you know, there was a scramble over who's going to get what jobs in the new administration. And at one point, there was someone who was being discussed for a job in the Intel world.
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And a member of the SSCI, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the Intel Committee, went to the people making the decision and said, you cannot hire this person because this person will be certain to push for the release of the JFK files. So this is in 2025, less than two months ago, and you have a sitting member of the United States Senate whose main goal is to keep Ja, genau.
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And the CIA has already been through 50 years ago, the Church Committee hearings, 1975, where we sort of know they're sassing people, dosing people with acid, all this stuff. It's like, the CIA has already been discredited.
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So if you're telling me that six weeks ago, a member of the United States Senate was trying to keep someone out of a job in order to keep these files secret, that is to protect the CIA, I don't believe that for a second. So what do you think it is? I don't know. But this is... I mean, there's no one at the CIA who is involved. Then. Actually, yeah, who's involved in the Kennedy assassination.
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There's no one in America who's involved in the Kennedy assassination.
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It's funny. I don't want to spend two hours beating up on the media because everyone hates them already. But it is... It's been almost two years for me since I haven't worked in the media.
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But it's, and I'm not even speaking of Trump or Pompeo, who's a very sinister person. And you're absolutely right, Pompeo was the driver behind that. But who was driving Pompeo? I mean, it doesn't actually make sense. The story doesn't make sense. And by the way, we have the file numbers of most of the files that have not been disclosed.
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So it's like Trump issues an executive order on January 23rd saying you're going to release this stuff. They kind of can't not release it. And yet now it's the first week of March and they haven't released it. So pressure is currently being applied on the administration not to release those files. It seems that way. By whom? I don't know.
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Some like mid-level analyst at CIA who just doesn't want to discredit the institution he works for? I don't think so. Like, what is that? I don't know. I don't believe it's the Rockefellers, the Pope and whatever. I don't believe that either. I'm not even guessing.
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All I'm saying is we can say with certainty that there is a force acting on these people, a very serious force, to the point where they're embarrassing themselves because they promise they didn't release this and they haven't.
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And it's weird how you, when you do work there for your whole life, you just accept that like, yeah, everyone lies all the time and it's totally treacherous and people who claim to be your friends actually hate you and every dispute is settled with a lawyer. It's like, oh, it's so disgusting, but you just accept that's like the way things work, but that's not how things work outside the media.
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Können wir zurückkommen? Und ich stimme total zu. Ich möchte nur einen Sekund auf die Epstein-Sachen aufhören. Also was ist das? Ich meine, wieder einmal, Sie haben klar eine Kraft, die eine messbare Druckung anbietet. Ich weiß nicht. Und wo ist dein Junge Kash Patel? Ich meine, er ist da drin, um all das zu verbreiten. Ich kann das nicht beantworten.
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So, last time we talked was a year ago. You somehow look younger. I feel worn out and fatter. I've been on the road for too long. But first day of Lent, I'm getting right now. But anyway, it's been a year since we talked about this.
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Er hat diesen seltsamen Tweet ausgesprochen, der sehr generell war.
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So let's just use logic. I can't answer that question. I think it's a great question. But let's just use logic for one second. Clearly, if you watch this, in my case, for the same as you, 35 years, watching this stuff carefully and somebody gets in office, I'm going to do this and the other thing. And then like five days later, they're like, well, actually, someone has called that person to say,
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There's something you didn't know. Here are the consequences of doing that. Someone has applied very serious pressure on this person. Pressure so serious that that person is willing to humiliate himself. So wait a minute. So who's that person exerting the pressure? But you...
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That's a great question. It's the only kind I ask. So what I brought to it was the knowledge that a member of the Senate Intel Committee, I'm not guessing, called over and said, you cannot appoint this person.
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Tom Cotton of Arkansas did that.
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Ja, korrekt. Und hast du ihn gefragt? Nein, ich habe ihn nicht gefragt. Was ist denn mit dir los? Ich würde gerne. Und... Das macht die Leute von dir ausgesprochen, übrigens.
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Well, I need to sit down with him.
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No, no, no. But it's a fair question. It's a totally fair question. And the answer is, I hadn't thought to do that. And there's a lot going on. And I've been distracted.
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And just like that. I probably wouldn't be saying any of this if I was part of the deep state. Unless...
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One of the worst things that ever happened to me ever is last year when I was interviewing Putin. It was such a long interview and it was being translated and I couldn't always hear the translation very well. And apparently in it he says, you applied to work at CIA, which I did. You know, I'm not hiding that. I didn't get in. And your father worked for the Intel world and all.
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I didn't hear him say that. I did not hear him say that. And I have been living with that ever since. I have nothing to do with any of that for whatever it's worth. But the number of people have texted me been like, oh, you're working for the CIA. It's like, no, actually, nobody believes more strongly in radical reform at CIA than I do with, I would say, some knowledge of the subject.
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Look, I mean, people can think I work for the deep state. I don't. I don't think there is a deep state. Here's all I'm saying. Someone is applying massive pressure to elected officials and has for a very long time. And I would like to know who that is. Ask Mike Pompeo why he told... Oh, I have. Oh, I have. And what did he say?
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And when I got into it with Mike Pompeo... No, I mean, I've talked about this before. I don't want to be boring. But I, when... I'd tell you to ask Dan Crenshaw, but he's not going to take your call. No, he's not. He's not going to call him a liberal. But you wonder... Dan Crenshaw is emotionally out of control. Stop provoking him then. I didn't even provoke him.
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I just pointed out... You provoked him. I saw it on stage. His state was just invaded by Mexico and he's worried about Ukraine? It's like, what? Wake up, son. Here are your duties. Let me put them in order. To your family... to your community, to your voters, to your state, to your nation, and maybe Ukraine down there at the bottom. But anyway, that's all I was saying. Here's my point. Please.
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I am really concerned, not just because, you know, I am curious and I want to get to the bottom of mysteries, which is true, but I'm really concerned that the failure to disclose big things like details about the murder of a president in a democratic country, republic, Das wird Menschen überzeugen, dass unser System selbst falsch ist. Und es ist kind of hard to argue that it's real.
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I totally agree. If you can't even know who killed the president. Transparency is trust. 62 years later, Mike Pompeo was working to keep American citizens from knowing who murdered their president? Who are you working for, Mike Pompeo? And we just had an election. What is that?
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And by the way, I just want to say one more time, you cannot convince me, I'm not some world expert of the CIA, but I've certainly watched it closely over the years, It's not the CIA. The CIA? CIA is like a huge federal agency with all kinds of different components and warring tribes within. There's no CIA. Bill Burns... is not like calling Trump and being like, don't release the files. I agree.
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Just credit CIA.
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Of course I agree with everything you're saying, except one specific point, which is I'm not sure they know. They have programmed, they certainly know more than we do. Put it that way. They do. They may know that they don't really know, which is the scariest thing of all. And I've certainly called a lot on this topic. I've stopped talking about it in public.
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I've tried to stop thinking about it because it's just one of those things that drives you crazy. But my strong impression is that they don't really know, that there isn't a consensus on this and that they're not from Russia or China.
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I'm aware of that. I'm aware of that. I mean, that's just my view. I could be completely wrong. But I don't think it's as simple as they know exactly what's going on and they're hiding it.
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Oh my gosh, I have. So what do you got for me? Come all the way down here. We don't know. Cross all these bridges. We don't know. And I think that's kind of the scarier answer.
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Maybe you can't. So that's... So look, I mean, I think we're getting to the same answer if... If there is a very obvious mystery that's publicly known, there's public pressure to solve the mystery, to divulge what you know, and you don't. Yes. Then there's a real reason behind it. It's not just ass covering.
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No, not anymore. Not anymore. Because now that, you know, especially in this administration that was elected on the promise of transparency, there's a real reason behind it. weil es eine Menge Unterdrückung gibt. Die Leute wissen, wo sind die Mike-Kennedy-File? Was geht mit all diesen Dingen über New Jersey? Du hast gesagt, sie waren über dein Haus in Bedminster.
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was ist es, weißt du, und was ist dieses Epstein-Ding, das wir alle gesehen haben?
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George Stephanopoulos trinkt mit uns, jeder, den du kennst, ist in Epsteins Haus, wie Ehud Barak ist da jeden Tag, wie, was zur Hölle ist das, wie, wer hat diesen Kerl getötet, er wurde klar getötet, offensichtlich, er wurde nicht verurteilt, schau, starte nur dort an, zeig uns die File, die die Theorie seines Verurteilungssatzes substantiiert haben, Just show him to us.
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Or where's your investigation into his death, which you promised Attorney General Barr that you're going to do, and you never did.
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I guess what I'm saying is, if you take three steps back, you're like, wait, this really is, this isn't just, you know, maybe some of the details are wrong, or certainly stories like this draw all the wackos like a bug light for sure, and they come up with these fantastical theories to explain it. But just the knowable facts, the confirmed facts suggest something really, really big.
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Der Moment, an dem ich nicht mehr viel über die Eppstein-Szene gedacht habe, bis ich bemerkt habe, dass die Republikanerin, zwei-mal die Republikanerin General Barr, darüber verliebt hat. Warum würde Barr darüber verlieben? Eppstein ist ein großer demokratischer Donor. Barr war nicht nah an Trump. Er hat nicht für Trump gesetzt. Was ist das? Und ich weiß die Antwort nicht.
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Aber das war der Moment, an dem ich dachte, wow, Bill Crystals Anwalt ist involviert in dem, was er war. I don't know, there's just a lot. There's a lot there. There's so much there that it starts to make you nervous. And it makes you think like, maybe it's not just that things are screwed up on the margins, but maybe at the core is something really dark.
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And I'm not. I'm not going to speculate on it because I don't know. And I don't even have like really good theories. I do have some theories, but they could be completely wrong. All I'm saying is a rational person arrives inevitably at the conclusion that there's a real reason. These have not been discussed. Maybe. It's not just entropy.
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I think I can answer some of them. I think Elon, you know, builds electric cars and rockets and tunneling equipment and telecom, you know, satellite-based telecom, etc., etc. He's a builder of things. He's a businessman. He's an engineer. I'm not surprised he doesn't know the details of how Social Security is structured at all.
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36,9, etwas wie 37 Trillionen. Revenue last year, 2024, total federal revenues were under 5 trillion. Okay. Okay. So that's that doesn't work. And at a certain point, you know, the people who are floating the country, the bond buyers, the foreign bond buyers, like I'm not in this doesn't and everything will collapse. And that's been known for a long time. No one has dealt with it.
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And from what I can tell, Elon's job is to try and get the spending down. And no one's been able to do that.
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Yeah, I don't think that's... We would have a Blue Ribbon Commission and we'd present our findings. But he's going off half-cocked. None of that's worked and I feel like... Look, we don't know if it's going to work or not. I'm praying that it does, because I think it's our last chance to save the country.
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Maybe, but big picture, he's right. So USAID, which I grew up around in Washington, you know, I really grew up around it. I can just tell you firsthand, having seen it, it is a force for evil in the world. I think it does probably good things on the margins, but bottom line, it is destabilizing other governments.
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It's a form of the ugliest kind of imperialism, totally detached from American interests. It's like really bad. And the more you know, that's why it's so shocking to read it all, the more indefensible it becomes. The Secretary of State disagrees with you. He may or may not. I'm just saying, you know, he's from Miami. I'm from D.C. So I just tell you, I have, I think, deep exposure to this.
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And there's no doubt. By the way, USAID gets zeroed out. How many third world presidents complained about that? Do you see any being like, oh, my gosh, we want our aid? They don't want American aid in that form because it destabilizes democratic governments. It overturns the culture of the country. Oh, you need more trans athletes. They hate it and there's nothing they can do about it.
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Das ist so ein Kind.
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I don't think a single foreign president in a poor country complained when we shut off that aid because they didn't want it. So that tells you right there. Now, that's a minuscule part of the entire federal budget. Agreed.
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I don't think USAID has an investigative arm. Okay, they do. Okay. Well, whatever. Elon's being, you know, attacked on many sides.
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And why didn't he tell us? I just think big picture... The government is strangling the country. I don't think there's any doubt about that. What does that mean? None of those people can ever be fired or are. It's not even clear what they're doing. A lot of their budgets are classified. The Intel EIC, it's like all classified. You don't even know what they're spending.
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They own businesses around the world. This is a fact. I mean, they'll admit it if you ask them. And basically there's no democratic control over any of this. The voters have no say in how this money is spent and the people spending it are beyond any kind of correction. There's nothing you can do about it. And so it's truly out of control in a way that makes democracy impossible.
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I just interviewed Sam Bankman Fried yesterday from jail. It hasn't aired yet. And I actually really enjoyed the conversation. And about five minutes in, I was like, oh shit, I haven't asked him a single mean question about his business. He's in jail for 25 years. So I thought, I don't really need to make the case that he did something wrong. A jury's already decided that. And
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And it's also their acting and strong interest. And then there's the debt overhang, which really threatens in an imminent way to make all these conversations just irrelevant. If we're a poor country that can't support a military and can't keep up with our own infrastructure, then none of this stuff even matters.
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Check out code Tucker. So, My sense is that you're not going to get anywhere unless, and I think this was their calculation, you come out like a freaking wild animal out of a box. So fast, so hard that you intimidate the shit out of everyone into silence long enough that you gain momentum to continue the process of paring back government.
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But you really have to immediately occupy the moral high ground. You need to, you can't like get into debate with Benny Thompson over, you know, funding of this or that agency. You really have to get up here and look down at Benny Thompson and say, I can't believe that you're participating in this scam for decades that hurt this country, impoverished its citizens. You did this.
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And it's only from that posture that you have any power to negotiate the reforms necessary. You sort of have to do what the trans lobby, the human rights campaign did, which is you sort of come out of nowhere and rather than sort of make the case that, hey, don't beat up trans kids, which I'm for, don't beat up trans kids or anybody.
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They come out and they're like, you're a transphobe, we're going to pick at your house and kill you if you say anything. And people are like, holy shit, they're so intimidated that they just kind of go along with your program. I think... A functional country doesn't operate that way, but this is not a functional country.
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This is a country that is more dysfunctional than we will admit to ourselves, and that may be the only option for reform. But one thing that I think no honest person can disagree with, we need reform, like immediately, on every level. Our military needs to be reformed, the budgeting process needs to be reformed, the way that our economy is structured needs
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Ich denke, es ist okay, einfach eine Konversation mit dem Mann zu haben. Und dann dachte ich mir, ich werde wahrscheinlich für das Zocken von Sam Bankmanfried kritisiert.
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clearly benefits just a tiny percentage of the population. That's not sustainable, etc., etc. Like we need reform badly. We can't keep doing it this way. Well, we've been saying that a long time. I know. And Trump is the first. And again, I don't know if it's going to work. I'm praying that it will, because this country is the last hope of the world.
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I really believe that more than ever, having just come back from other countries.
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And the thing that we need to preserve, I'm more convinced.
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Es ist einfach, Dinge zu zerstören, viel einfacher als es ist, sie zu bauen. Und man muss sich auf revolutionäre Momente kümmern. Ich meine, sehr wenige verbesserten Dinge. Unsere haben es, glaube ich, in diesem Land 250 Jahre ago. Sehr wenige anderen haben es. Ich kann mich nicht wirklich daran erinnern.
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Ich werde sie nicht überwinden. Margaret Brennan wird mich nicht anrufen. Glückwunsch.
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Well, it changed because politicians in general, with some exceptions, but not many, have no principles at all and they do what's popular, what they think is popular and they respond just to one stimulus, which is election. That's it. And if they think something will get them reelected, they'll say it. And if they don't, they won't. And so they're just, I mean, that's just what they are.
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I don't think it's even worth being mad. I mean, they're like animals whose behavior is really predictable or machines. You know, you can program to do a certain thing and you know it's going to do that thing every time. So the fact that like these guys are standing up and being like, oh, you know, Zelensky, who was my blood brother last week, is now a bad guy. Like, of course they're saying that.
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I've said the same thing, I think, since day one, which is this is not in our interest at all. And we've really hurt ourselves and we've dislodged the dollar. Und das hat Konsequenzen, die die Leute nicht durchdenken. Und Russland hat natürlich Interesse daran, was in der Ukraine passiert.
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Und natürlich wollen sie keine amerikanischen Missiles auf ihrer Grenze, mehr als wir die chinesischen Missiles in Tijuana wollen. Natürlich ist das eine echte Sache.
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And moreover, the thing that you want, if you're thinking big and you should, if you run America, the thing you fear most is the alignment of Russia with China, because then you unite the world's largest country, the largest nuclear arsenal with the world's largest economy and the world's largest population. And that becomes a block.
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Ich verstehe, aber auch darin, die Prämisse, Russland schlecht, China potenziell schlecht.
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They're aligned with China. So, yeah, that was not true at the beginning of 2022. But invading Ukraine...
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No, Russia invaded Ukraine for one specific reason, despite all the lying from Ann Applebaum and the Atlantic Council and the professional liars and morons in Washington who got us into the Iraq war and Libya and Syria and every other disaster. I've never apologized or been penalized for it. The truth is that Russia's concern was that Ukraine remain not part of NATO.
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They want to control Ukraine to some extent. It's their neighbor in the same way that we want to control, I don't know, Canada or Mexico. You don't have to, you know, run the municipal elections in the country, but you don't want, like if you had a government in Canada that was like bent on destroying the United States, you would overthrow the Premier of Canada because you can't have that.
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It's your neighbor. You're a great power. And that's how Russia sees itself. Now, you could say, well, that's against international law or whatever, but that's the way nations behave. And great nations have an expectation. They're not going to have an enemy on their border if they can help it.
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Okay, Ukraine is not sovereign. Ukraine's government was installed in a coup by the CIA in 2014. So it's not a sovereign nation. It's a satellite of the United States. We installed their government.
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Yeah, whatever. I mean, you're skipping over. That's actually not at all what happened. Zelensky did not become president in 2014, which was when Maidan happened.
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We called it a Russian puppet regime. Where did the guy go back to? Well, he fled to Russia on the verge of getting killed. But the bottom line is... Russia wanted a friendly government in Ukraine. Okay, I get it. The United States, which is nowhere near Russia or Ukraine, went across the Atlantic Ocean to install its president in Ukraine in a coup. That's a fact.
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And last time we talked, I think you were still like, and I probably was too little off balance from being vomited out of television world into this, the great beyond. But I was thinking about you this morning and I was thinking, I bet he's really grateful he's not at CNN now.
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And they were caught on tape doing it. Bob Kagan's wife was caught doing that. You can listen to the tape. And so, okay, I guess both are bad, but if you're being an adult about it, you understand that great powers have an interest in not having other people's nuclear weapons on their borders. That's just a fact. And you could say, well, it shouldn't be a fact, but it is a fact.
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Right. And that was negotiated by the United States. Right. Okay. All I'm saying is, if you're thinking about it from the perspective of what's went to the Munich Security Conference in February of 2022 and had the Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris, say at a press conference, Tuzlansk, we want you in NATO. NATO didn't want Ukraine.
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There never was a referendum in Ukraine on what the Ukrainians wanted. We want you to be an American satellite with American weapons in your country. She said that, knowing that was the red line. Putin's like, look, I just don't want Ukraine in NATO. You've had all these countries around my borders in NATO. I don't know why you're doing that. I still don't know to this day why we're doing that.
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That's an aggressive, offensive move. But you cannot have Ukraine. It's too big. It's too important. Our energy pipelines go through it. No! And they insisted on doing this. And Putin gave a speech immediately after in Russia. No Americans ever watched it. You should. It's really interesting saying this NATO thing is too much. We have to invade and we're doing it. Those are the facts. Okay.
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So the question is, why would you do that? Ukraine is not sovereign. It never was. You know that Ukraine cannot beat Russia in a conventional war. Russia's got 100 million more people and much deeper industrial capacity. But that doesn't mean you let them roll over. And Ukraine is a sovereign. It's its own country. In what sense are they making independent decisions? I'll give you an example.
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In April of 2022, two months after this war started, it's very clear that Russia is going to win. It's just a much bigger country. Period. And so the Ukrainians and the Russians start having peace talks. And they move them around a bunch of different places they want up in Istanbul, Turkey. And they have a bunch of different data points. The first is no NATO.
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The second is what do we do with Crimea, which since 2014 had been like Russian aligned. They took it, by the way. They took it. They took it. What do you do with that? There's a Russian military naval base there, as you know. And what do you do with Donetsk and Lugansk, the eastern part of Ukraine? They basically reached terms in Istanbul two months into the war.
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All of a sudden, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, Boris Johnson, shows up in Kiev and delivers a message from the Biden administration. No, no peace. You are not allowed to negotiate a peace. This is telling a sovereign country this, some unemployed people.
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You know, indebted Brit is showing up on behalf of the United States to lecture the so-called president of Ukraine about what he can do with his own country. It's not sovereign in any sense. And they break off the peace talks. This is all like, I'm not making this up. Look it up. And a million more Ukrainians die. The country is totally destroyed. Forever.
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And then Zelensky goes and changes the law in Ukraine to allow foreigners to buy farmland in Ukraine, to buy the soil of Ukraine. So you wind up with a country whose population has just been killed, that no longer owns its land. So big American companies, multinational companies can go in and just buy Ukraine. That's the total destruction of a European nation.
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And in the United States we feel like, oh no, we're fighting on behalf of Churchill. No, we just destroyed Ukraine. Because we want to fight Russia. And now that is the core. The desire of the American foreign policy establishment to have a war with Russia. That does not make any sense to me. I'm not a Putin lover. I don't speak Russian. I've got nothing to do with Russia.
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I just don't understand why it's in America's national interest to be at war with Russia. It's not. And these are people with very deep emotional hatred of Russia. I can't even speculate as to where that comes from. But it's real. I've certainly seen it a lot. And it's not consistent with our interests as a nation. It has not helped the United States at all. It's hurt us.
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We spent over a hundred billion dollars when we're bankrupt and all we've achieved is destroying this nation that didn't really do anything. The poor Ukrainians didn't do anything.
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It's not true. But I don't understand what's the point of it.
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Just to define sovereignty. Sovereignty is the freedom to make independent decisions. And Ukraine does not have that and has never had that since 2014, when its government was installed by an American coup.
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Er ist nicht demokratisch ausgewählt, er hat seinen Termin verabschiedet. Warte, ich habe eine Frage. Welche Autorität hat Zelenskyy, dass er auf der Seite seines Landes negotiert hat, seine Lande regiert hat? Er hat nur seinen Hauptpolitischen Opponenten unter Entschuldigung gelegt und seine persönlichen Finanzen unter internen Sanktionen der Sicherheitsdienste der Ukraine gebrochen.
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Das klingt familiar, nicht wahr?
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So you're comfortable with people saying, no, he could certainly have an election if he wanted. If he wanted, but he is empowered.
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He could have an election whenever he wanted. He could have an election right now. No one doubts that, actually. And his opponent was calling for that before he was just shut down by the Ukrainian Intel services a week ago. So there's no authority. He doesn't have democratic authority over his country. What he has is a lot of NATO weapons.
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And to your second point, he has absolutely as a matter of fact, the Ukrainian military has sold those weapons on the black market around the world. And they have this. These are facts. They've run up in the hands of, among others, the Mexican drug cartels, the Taliban, Hamas, Hamas in Gaza. Fact. And a lot of other groups. And it's incredibly destabilizing, by the way.
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The United States did this years ago in Afghanistan, as you know, and sent a bunch of Stinger missiles to the Mujahideen in 1979 and 80 to fight the Soviets. And those missiles caused huge problems for all of Southwest Asia for like 20 years. And so this is a big deal. And I don't know why people feel like they have to lie about it now.
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You know what? Because I'll tell you why. I'll bet you my car, that in the next... What kind of car is it? Some crappy... Oh, then I'm not going to bet that. Okay. No, I don't have nice cars, I'll admit that. I've never bought a new car that I know of. So we're not doing a swap. Okay. But anyway, the point is... No one believes me. I know someone who bought some of the weapons.
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I'm just, you know, whatever. I can't.
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You believe it's outside the realm of possibility that facing defeat, the leaders of that military would not sell the weapons that they're getting from the West?
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I'm texting right now. Very rude. I'm texting on WhatsApp right now on this exact subject.
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You can get surface-to-air missiles from straw buyers? No, not surface-to-air missiles. Small arms, small arms.
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It's not a matter of smearing Ukraine. Okay, this is one of those topics that I'm just going to... I'm not mad at you. No, no, no, I'm mad because... I know this is true. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I don't know it. It's a fact and unfortunately I can't, and maybe I shouldn't have brought it up because I can't name the person who told me this.
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I'm not going to.
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I have a huge amount of knowledge on this one topic. I'm wholly ignorant on many topics. I know a lot about this topic.
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What I'm telling you is the Ukrainian military has sold huge amounts of American-supplied, NATO-supplied weapon systems around the world. And that they're purchasable now by governments and armed groups and are being purchased.
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Um, I'm, I'm just telling you that I, if, if this, this will be documented and I got that directly once again from someone who purchased quite a few of those weapons, who I know personally and in another country and knows a lot about this. It runs a military and, um, And it's just frustrating because I can't say beyond that.
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It's not a mentality. Look, it's noting the facts. The guy's not elected. He is elected. His term has been expended constitutionally. Would you be comfortable if we were, well, we are in a war with Russia right now. If Donald Trump... No, it is a war with Russia. Americans have died in... It's a proxy war. It's a war that we're funding. We're not on the ground there.
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There are many Americans in Ukraine fighting.
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What do you mean they're guiding weapons into Russia? Yes. What do you mean they're not actively fighting? They're absolutely actively fighting. Have we declared war? Of course not. We didn't declare war in Vietnam or Korea. That doesn't mean anything. True. Did in Iraq. I guess we did. That went well. There was a congressional vote. Of course.
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But the point is, if Trump were to say, we're at war with Russia, I can't have an election, I would say, that's not legitimate. You do not have the authority to extend, and I don't care, you know, what pretext you make up for it. You can't put your opponents in jail. You can't, but more than anything, what I'm saying is that this is scary. It's not even blaming Zelensky.
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There are many power centers within Ukraine. There's the military, the intel services, there's the president's office. There are competing countries. People say the same things about us, by the way. Of course, it's true. Especially true here, it's a huge country. I'm not even blaming Zelensky directly. I'm saying this is the largest country in Europe...
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We have poured billions of dollars in pretty high-tech weapons systems into this country and we're not keeping track of them. We also have bio labs throughout the country.
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I can't even assess that. I have no problem with that.
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It's amazing. And, you know, I think the most influential people in media, I think you have to put Rogan at the top of that, you know, kind of don't work for anybody. Nope. And it's just so interesting. If you look at the ads on Margaret Brennan's show, it's like, you know, Nissan and... Joe Rogan ist wie Prostate Health Cures.
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I have no problem with keeping track of it. Talk about destabilization of the world.
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I don't know. At this point, Russia has... We're not in charge. Russia just won. They beat us in their war. In case you haven't noticed, Russia outproduced in munitions NATO, including the United States, 4 to 1. So we just lost the war. So we are not negotiating from a position of strength. Sorry, I'm not taking Russia's side, I'm on America's side. This is terrible for us.
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We've exposed how weak we are. We couldn't beat Russia, which many members of the US Senate assured me was, quote, a gas station with... That was McCain's line. What a fucking idiot that guy was. What an idiot he was. I knew him and I liked him, but he was like an idiot. A gas station with nuclear weapons. Really? Yeah.
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They rolled over us. They took a big chunk of eastern Ukraine and for three years we've progress toward bankruptcy, trying to stop it, and we've not been able to. They won. This is bad. It's bad for American prestige. It's bad for the projection of American power. Everyone knows what we're capable of and what we're not capable of. It's divided our country.
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All these dumb Ukraine people are flying foreign flags in front of their houses.
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We already. Okay. But it's Estonia and Latvia. Estonia. You know, it's always some chick, that blonde chick. Ich bin Präsident von Estonien, einem Land mit 5 Millionen Menschen, das die Sauna eröffnet. Ich bin nicht gegen Estonien. Ich bin sicher, es ist großartig. Aber die Idee, dass eine Frau, die noch nie im Armtservice war, eine militärische Politik für die EU stellt. Wir werden das tun.
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Du kannst nichts tun. Du hast keine Armee. Britanniens Armee ist kleiner als das US-Marine-Korps. NATO, das ist eine Koalition, die z.B. die Türkei betrifft, ist wie eine große Koalition, die Russland nicht gewinnen konnte. That is the fact. I don't want that to be the fact. That is the fact. So Americans are like, well, we can't allow this. Well, what are you going to do about it?
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So what, okay, so what would you, I'm just, okay, here are the terms. We have a nuclear armed power, largest nuclear arsenal in the world that is fighting for its very life that is aligned with China. Okay, which is the largest economy.
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I think Putin forced this situation. Okay, whatever. Leaving aside moral culpability, I'm just saying it's a big deal for them. It's on their border. It's their border. Okay, so we don't like it. We waited on the other side to fight Russia. We haven't won. So now what are our options?
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Es ist so, dass es die ganze... Leute wie Rogan sind reich, berühmt, beeindruckend, komplett außerhalb der konventionellen Strukturen.
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140 million people.
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Because he doesn't want his citizens to have to fight in an unpopular war because he's worried about his popularity because he wants to stay in power. So it's easier to send convicts to the front. They have done this for centuries. I'm against it, but I'm just saying that's the fact.
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He's very concerned about his popularity.
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Russia is a very complicated place with a lot of different competing power centers, including the FSB, which itself... And how has he stayed in power so long? Because he's really good at politics and he pays very close attention to what the public thinks. Very close. He's got the military, just like any country.
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I've been there twice in the last year. Why are you allowed in? I don't know. I'm an American. A friend of Putin. Because I believe in seeing things and reaching my own conclusions.
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I'm just not allowed in there as a journalist. I'm sure you could call right now and they would let you in and you should go. You just wouldn't let me out. I'd wind up like Paul Whalen and you wouldn't be arguing my case. But look, here's the point. Putin does not have absolute control of his country and there are all kinds of potential rivals. He's been there for 20 years.
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Ich meine, alle von ihnen. Megyn Kelly ist enorm beeindruckend. Ich habe ihre Ads noch nicht gesehen, aber... Aber sie ist immer noch korporativ gebackt, richtig?
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You sound more sympathetic towards him than towards Zelensky. I mean... Well, I'm definitely more sympathetic to Putin than Zelensky for the following reason. I judge, and I'm not sympathetic to Putin in the sense that I don't want to move to Russia. I don't see Russia as like a close friend of mine at all or a free country or anything like that.
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I'm just saying, I think it's fair to judge leaders on how they do for their country. They have one job. Do a good job for your country. Make it better. You think Russia is doing well? A lot better than Ukraine. I mean, a lot of Ukrainians have fled Ukraine to Russia. A lot. A lot. Well, yeah, they're under siege right now.
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No, but I'm just saying like Russia actually for a country at war is thriving. You know, I think it's got deeper problems. War is not good for any economy over time or any country over time. But there's been such a massive infusion of Chinese investment into Russia.
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in the past couple of years that people in, say, Moscow, city of 12 million, you know, they don't feel a privation that populations under war typically feel.
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I'm sure. I'm sure that's exactly right. I mean, there are a lot of theories on that. I've heard a lot of things. But here's the only point that I'm making from an American perspective. Americans fall into this trap, which is a childish trap. where they superimpose like a really clear moral dichotomy onto foreign conflicts where there's like a great guy and an evil guy.
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And they're able to do that because they don't know anything because they've never been anywhere and they don't actually, they're leaders I'm talking about, don't kind of take the time to understand that they don't understand. The more you know, the more you realize you really don't know because do you speak Russian? I don't think so. So like how the hell do you know what's going on?
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You don't know. The best you can do is like be open-minded and let evidence guide your conclusions. So Aus amerikanischer Sicht, was wir gelernt haben, ist, dass die US-Kapazität für die Vorstellung von Kraft durch den Militär viel weniger ist, als wir es gedacht haben. Wir konnten nicht Russland schießen. Wir haben Russland nicht gespielt. Sie haben gewonnen.
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The most high-tech warfare ever conducted. In fact, it's so high-tech, it's moving so fast that I don't think most people even understand what's going on there. But it's a war by drone.
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But they were digging trenches. But my point is, what Americans can't, you just need to like change your mind a little bit on this. We don't have the power to do everything that we want around the world.
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We certainly can't do it simultaneously. Agreed. And my concern about entering into hot wars with anybody is that you expose your weakness. If you enter into a hot war with someone, you have to win. Otherwise, everyone knows how weak you are.
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The truth is... It's a silly conversation. Russia is nuclear weapons. It is hypersonic weapons. Russia could eliminate Ukraine in about 10 seconds.
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Let's just be honest. And I hope they never will. And I hate war. And I hate that Ukrainians are dying. So why haven't they, by the way? Let's say, of course they could. Their nuclear capabilities. Are you joking? They have hypersonic weapons. But they're not. So why? They could take out the entire city like that. But they're not. Because that's World War III. That's why. Right.
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And they want to get out without a nuclear exchange. Right. Und was ich trauere, es ist nicht eine Defensive von Russland, übrigens, jeder, der versucht, einen Nuklearwandel zu vermeiden, ich bin auf deiner Seite. Ja. Und das würde fast keine republikanischen Mitglieder des Senats inkludieren, okay?
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Sie sind alle vollgeblieben, sie sind alt, sie interessieren sich nicht, wie gesagt, sie interessieren sich nicht um ihre Großeltern oder die Menschheit selbst oder was auch immer. Sie sind völlig bereit, einen Nuklearwandel zu riskieren. Obwohl Lindsey Graham nur einen Schritt zurückgezogen hat, was ich als überraschend fand. Das ist komplett dumm. Er blamiert, schau, viel wird rauskommen.
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We reached an impasse on the question of whether Ukraine is selling weapons. They are. That's a fact. And I bet my house on it. Okay. I know that to be true. But I can't tell you how I know that. So I'm going to have to just wait to be vindicated.
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Okay. We haven't heard anything about Ukraine for the past three years. You were required, and I got fired over this, so I know, you were required to pretend that Zelensky, who I think is a complicated person, for whom I feel sorry actually, I feel like he's a pawn among bigger powers, okay, I feel bad for Zelensky, but we were required to pretend that he was Jesus.
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And that Vladimir Putin was Satan. And my only point is, that's not true, actually. It's way more complicated than that. Both of them have good and bad qualities. And moreover, it's not our fight. What are we doing there? This whole thing is so nuts, just because you're mad at Russia for some reason that you'll never say out loud. We have to take our country to war there?
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And by the way, can I just say something? Sure. Why... I mean, this war has, like most wars that we fight, been promoted by some of the richest people in our country. And I'll name one. Ken Griffin, who is a hedge fund billionaire, has really pushed hard, and I've seen it, behind the scenes to force Republican politicians to support bigger payments to the Zelenskyy government.
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Es ist so, Ken Griffin ist ein Multibillionär. Er hat wahrscheinlich, ich weiß nicht, Millionen von Dollar auf Lobbying auf dieses Thema, aber er hat nicht Billionen auf die Ukraine gespendet. Er könnte Billionen seiner eigenen Geld an die Ukraine senden. Viele der Ukraine-Warsupporter könnten das tun. Sie könnten auch die Kriegspflicht kämpfen.
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Sie konskriptieren 50-jährige Männer, Männer mit Down-Syndrom. Die Videos sind überall auf der Internetseite und sie sind wahr. I hear from people in Ukraine. Those videos I've seen. Yeah. So, I haven't noticed any... Bill Kristol's not fighting in Ukraine. Why is that? Why is Ken Griffin not sending billions to Ukraine?
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No, what they're doing is pressuring the US media, pressuring the US Congress to do something that they themselves are not willing to do. Up to and including sending American troops, which we have in Ukraine, risking their lives. Why isn't Ken Griffin doing that? I just want to say, I think it's one of the most immoral things I've ever seen.
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But you're wondering though, but still, I mean, Rogan is... You know, in some sense, like, bigger than Spotify. He could leave Spotify. I think Mega could leave Sirius. I was surprised he took the deal. I was surprised he took the deal. Well, it gives him a lot of freedom. But here's my question. You see every kind of mid-sized independent business in America getting scooped up by private equity.
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I couldn't agree more. However, I think, and I agree with what you said about Walmart completely, why should I subsidize your work?
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I agree.
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But I don't actually think, I don't think that that's the greatest threat to our democracy or our freedoms or our country. I think, because look, Walmart, world's biggest retailer, was a powerful company, obviously. It's got a board of directors, it's got shareholders, it's a publicly traded company. You can buy Walmart. There's some accountability inherent in that structure.
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If you have someone like Ken Griffin, not to beat upon poor Ken Griffin, who, you know, I don't think Ken Griffin's evil, it's just silly, but I'll just name him again. Ken Griffin is like this independent multi-billionaire who's got massive, and there are a lot of these guys, with massive political influence because of the money that he has. Und es gibt überhaupt keine Verantwortung.
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Es gibt kein Board of Directors von Ken Griffin. Er ist ein Billionär. Er ist sein eigenes Power Center. Und er ist, wie wir ihn nennen würden, wenn er Russland war, ein Oligarch.
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Ich glaube, es passt. Nein, aber das ist der echte Threat. Weil ein Typ wie dieser kann seine eigenen Medienanlagen besitzen. Ich glaube. Er kann seine eigenen Politiker besitzen. Ich weiß nicht, warum du nicht über Musk sprichst.
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I can answer your question, and I don't think it's an unfair question at all. Because I do think the world that produced Elon is a world you need to think about a little bit. I think there are definitely some threats. Elon wird immer meinen Lieben haben, weil er die wichtigste Sache gemacht hat, nämlich den Free Speech in den Vereinigten Staaten durch X zu erweitern.
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So every veterinary practice, every dental office, TAC places, cemetery associations. Like, there is this inexorable trend toward, like, conglomerates. Yes. Small Independence getting scooped up by some big umbrella group. That's going to happen in media, I would think.
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Free Speech bedeutet nichts, wenn man nicht wirklich mit einem Publikum sprechen kann. Ich kann in meinem Wohnzimmer das Bild lesen, aber es bedeutet nichts. Ich muss mit anderen Menschen sprechen, um sie zu überzeugen. Und es gab keinen Ort, um das auf der Ebene zu machen. all the social media apps were controlled, completely controlled.
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And he has given a real measure of free speech back to the United States, to its citizens, which is really the difference between slavery and freedom, is being able to say what you think. There's kind of like, a free man can say what he believes is true, and a slave can't. It's that simple. So if you want to remain free and not enslaved, then you have to have free speech.
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And no one else seemed to agree with that, except this South African guy, The South African Rock. Maybe it's ironic. I don't know. I mean, I'm highly opposed to immigration. But I have to say, including my best friend, a lot of the best people I know are immigrants. And they appreciate America for what actually makes it great, which is its core freedoms.
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We have too much immigration. And we've made the country totally unstable. No, it's the difference between too much and none. Well, I'm not against immigration. You just said that. In theory. Okay. We need to shut down all immigration right now until we can... Es ist das größte Problem, das wir haben. Es ist das größte Problem, das wir haben. Und ich sage dir genau, warum.
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Weil es Chaos und Unreinheit kreiert. Wenn du ein kontinentales Land hast, wie wir, dann ist die Hauptfrage, die du immer, jeden Tag, denkst, wie halten wir uns zusammen? Wie können 50 Staaten nicht 50 Länder werden? I mean, that will naturally happen, right? Because each governor sees himself as Caesar. So how do you keep them cohesive? And the only way to do that is short of force.
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You could just like get nukes and tell everyone to obey. But short of that, short of becoming a totalitarian country, it's by consent. It's because everybody thinks we're in this together. We're all Americans. We have this in common. And it used to be race and religion. It no longer is. Okay, so what is it? Krickets. What is it? What is it that we all have in common?
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And no one is even trying to answer that question. And until you can answer that question, you are going to move toward disunity. The drug cartels will take over, you know, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and they'll be their own thing. And, you know, England will be its own thing. And, you know, God knows what will happen, but it'll break apart.
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Because that's just the nature of people, of human society. So we need a period where we can think through what it is to be an American, what unites us, what's our civic religion. It can't just be everyone's gay. That's not enough. Pride flag is not enough to hold a country together. What is it? And immigration makes it impossible because it's too much churn. Things change too fast.
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Who are these people?
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Not at this scale. We've never had immigration like this as a portion of population. We've never had it. This is... And by the way, it's happening at exactly the time when technology is certain to overturn our economy and employment structure. AI is going to change everything. It's too much change at once. People's brains can't handle this much change. And whoever opened...
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Das Spigot und ein Land mit 15 oder 25 Millionen Unabhängigen in den letzten vier Jahren sollte für den Rest seines Lebens im Gefängnis sein. Das ist das Schlimmste, was jemals in diesem Land getan wurde. Und ich weiß nicht, ob wir davon zurückkommen können. Und ich denke, es wird klar werden, sobald es einen ökonomischen Durchbruch gibt, dass die Grundlagen überhaupt nicht geplant wurden.
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But I just wanted to say... It's being preached to you for years.
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I notice it. I notice it. Well, but I'm saying, look, this is... How many Americans want their kids to serve in the military now? Very few. Right. So that's a huge change. That's been true for a long time, by the way. Not a long time. Longer than the last four years. Oh, for sure. Oh, it precedes Biden, for sure.
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Not at this scale. It's too many people.
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Why are we giving government benefits to people here illegally?
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No, it's not a political question. It's a social question. It's like a core question. It's like if you want them to fill these jobs, why are you subsidizing them not to work?
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I see it as the greatest failure this country's ever presided over, which is the failure to encourage its own citizens to buy into the country sufficient to have kids. You have to have an economy that allows young people who aren't rich, whose parents aren't rich, to get married and have kids. And we haven't done that. And the middle class is now the minority of the country.
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It's super hard for people to get married and have kids. And so rather than fix that problem, because it would, I don't know, Ich glaube, das ist das Wichtigste. And then you have the thing I referred to earlier, which is the chaos of change. Change produces chaos.
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The one is too many is a very convenient standard, though. It's not... We don't use that anywhere else.
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Elon Musk, mein bester Freund und Geschäftspartner, wie ein Millionen Immigranten, die ich liebe, aber Menschen illegal zu begrüßen, sie sofort auf Wohlfahrt zu stellen, wenn sie keine relevanten Fähigkeiten haben, eine Technik-Ökonomie, die sie nicht haben, viele von ihnen können nicht lesen, wir wissen nicht die echten Namen. How is that good for America? In no sense is it.
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It's the destruction of America. And everyone knows that. And everyone's so paralyzed by race guilt, they can't say it. But it's not about race. It's about a basic question that any country has to ask itself, which is, what do I have in common with my neighbors? Why are we all in this together? I got nothing in common with my neighbors now. We don't speak the same language.
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So how is this a country? Like, these are not... Das sind Fragen, die Rassisten fragen. Das sind Fragen, die irgendeine normale, logische Person fragen würde. Was ist das? Das ist der Grund, warum niemand für das Land kämpfen will. Weil sie Menschen, die hier geboren wurden, attackieren. Unsere Kriege werden von weißen Männern aus dem Süden und dem Mittleren Westen gespielt.
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Ich meine, tatsächlich gespielt. Und das ist prüfbar.
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Aber jeder Krieg, den dieses Land so weit gespielt hat, wurde von diesen beiden Gruppen unvergleichbar gespielt. Und das sind genau die Gruppen, die unsere Leidenschaftsklasse hasst. Und die Diversität ist ständig designed to hurt those people.
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You're absolutely right about that. You're absolutely right about that. The war on whites is being waged by whites. It's 100% true. What is that about? I'm not Sigmund Freud. I don't know. I'm just telling you that if, you know, our entire media establishment and not just our, like, the vibe, the law, diversity is designed to discriminate against those people. So why do they fight your wars?
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That's just true. And then normal people, I put myself in this class for like, I don't even know what it is that we're fighting for. more trans people or whatever. What is this project about? These are all answerable questions, by the way. All is not lost. I'm just saying, you need to just pause and think through the basics.
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I think the country is the best country in the world, totally salvageable. We can turn this around. I'm not talking about the economy. I mean the social fabric, which is much more important than the economy. But we need to do it now and take it seriously and not just listen to AEI and measure everything in GDP. Those people are stupid.
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Okay, so the meritocracy, to be judged by what you do, not what you look like. That's right. Okay, so every institution in American life, almost without any exception at all, has abandoned that standard. And now has something called DEI or diversity hiring. Not anymore. You just had an administration strip it all out. They all do. Still in place. I mean, they're fighting it.
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But where were you when every institution decided to hire on the basis of sex and race, which is the opposite of the standard you're describing? Why did they do that? Das ist eine wirklich interessante Frage. Ich meine, aus meiner Perspektive, es ist ein Versuch, den Westen zu zerstören. Und weil das, ich meine, was ist der Westen? Du hast es selbst gesagt. Was ist Amerika?
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Du hast gesagt, es ist ein Ort, wo du auf deine eigenen Meriten aufstehen kannst. Und das ist das eine, was zerstört wurde. Also, ich stimme eigentlich mit dir, aber wir haben das nicht mehr.
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No, no, it's not the frustration. It's that it gets to the fundamental question of what is it. I asked you, what's an American? You said, you don't want us to be an American. I said, I really don't. I want to. And I think we need to figure that out. And you said, I know what it is. It's anyone who comes here can rise or fall on his own merits. And I said, where were you when that was destroyed?
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It freaks me out because the reason independent media are credible. is because they're independent. Yes.
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It's totally destroyed.
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It's not about white men being bad, white rage. Thank you, Mark Milley. It's about the principle that undergirds the whole country. It's what it is to be American. And they took it away. And no one said anything about it.
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It's really simple. Either people, as you said, I'm just quoting you, my oracle. Danke. Dass, was es ist, ein Amerikaner zu sein, ist, in einem System zu beteiligen, das dich auf der Basis dessen beurteilt, was du tust. Ja. Und wer du bist, wo du herkommst, was deine Eltern gemacht haben, was sie aussehen. Land der Möglichkeit. Land der Möglichkeit.
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Und ich drückte, was das bedeutet, und du sagst, was ich gerade gesagt habe. Und also, jede Institution im amerikanischen Leben bis heute, die bemerkenswerten, die Universitäten, die großen Kooperatoren, der federalen Regierung, To this day has abandoned that and moved aggressively in the other direction.
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There are federal set-asides, the ladders of success, the merit badges that we require to enter these institutions, mostly in education, totally determined by race and sex. And that's the opposite of what you said. And that's been going on for 60 years. Okay, so clearly it's not the land of opportunity. What is it? It's a giant piñata party where the most aggressive person gets the biggest pile.
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So Larry Fink is the richest guy because he elbowed people in the face the hardest.
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It's not about whites. It's about people. It's about human beings. Are you going to judge the person on the content of his character, the color of his skin? But you weren't judging them on the content of their character.
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It increases productivity, increases market reach. You're talking about the McKinsey study from 2018, which has been, it's a joke. It's a joke. It's been utterly debunked. And they were selling their diversity consultants.
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There are no restrictions.
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Why not just color? Okay, I have a simple solution for this. It's called standardized testing. And it was created in order to solve the problem that you described, which is bias. And so standardized testing was a good faith effort by the WASPs, by the way, who ran the big American universities to be fair. They're trying to be fair.
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It's like, okay, let's just pick people on the basis of their intelligence, their aptitudes and aptitude test. Right. And that kind of worked, actually. It elevated not just WASP, but, you know, Jews and Catholics and black people and everybody was judged on the basis. And it was imperfect, of course, but basically it worked.
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And it's why America dominated the world, because it had the smartest people in positions of power. Und dann, auf der Apogee, am Top, verabschieden wir es. Und wir sind so, oh, das funktioniert nicht. Was meinst du, es funktioniert nicht? Es funktioniert völlig. Es funktioniert, weil dann bekommen wir die Creme aller anderen Länder.
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Die klugsten Leute im ganzen Weltraum bewegen sich hier, insbesondere einige meiner Freunde. Die Besten. Und dann verabschieden wir es. Und wir sind so, naja, das ist unfair. Wie ist das unfair? Das ist die Definition von Fairness. Du bestätigst jemanden, ohne überhaupt zu wissen, wie er aussieht oder wie sein Sex aussieht, aufgrund seiner Leistung. Wie ist das unfair? They never explained.
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They just took it away. And now it's gone. And now in federal contracting, if you're a woman-owned business, why do I have an interest in a woman-owned business? I don't care who owns the business. I just want a good business.
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I never said diversity was a problem.
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Es gibt viele Wissenschaftler, die sagen, dass die Wahrheit darter und schwieriger zu behandeln ist. Die Wahrheit ist, dass die Intelligenz ein produktives Umfeld ist, aber es ist meistens genetisch. Und die Intelligenz hat viele Faktoren für Erfolg, aber die Intelligenz ist das Einzige und Wichtigste in großen Populationen. Smartere Populationen tun besser.
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Sie verdienen mehr Geld, gehen weniger ins Gefängnis, bleiben verheiratet. Singapore is a more successful society than the United States for this reason. So that's the truth. If you have a meritocratic society, the smartest people will have most of the money and most of the success. And That doesn't seem fair to people, is the truth, actually.
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And as we got better at sorting the smart people and sending them to Harvard and McKinsey and, you know, on to private equity, it became more obvious. No, it's true, though. It became obvious that the meritocracy was producing an incredibly lopsided society and that freaked people out and it felt unfair to them. And two people in the early 1990s wrote a book on it, Dick Herrnstein and Murray, and
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Um, and was called the bell curve and it had a chapter on race in it, which was, you know, made a lot of people mad. They could have taken that chapter out and it would have been, I think, the transformative book ever because it described what I just said, which is the meritocracy. Das ist eine sehr komplizierte Frage.
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But I know that a system that rewards people on the basis of race and punishes others on the basis of race creates hatred and division.
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Und sie sind unterschiedlicher Farben. Und derjenige mit einem niedrigeren SAT-Satz wird verurteilt wegen seiner Race. Das verurteilt den, der nicht verurteilt wurde. Ich verstehe, weshalb es nicht mehr das Gesetz des Landes ist. Es ist wahr in jedem Universum in den Vereinigten Staaten, wie du weißt, besonders die selektiven, abgesehen von dem, den du besucht hast.
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Aber sie haben das Gesetz verändert. Sie lügen. Und der Harvard-Fall zeigte das. Du kannst sagen, dass sie das mit dem UC-System in Kalifornien gemacht haben, was damals ein großartiges System war, als ich in diesem Staat geboren wurde, und das ist jetzt nur eine Lüge, weil von diesem.
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Aber sie haben im Grunde heraus herausgefunden, dass wir zu viele Asien haben, wir können nicht zu viele Asien haben.
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So basically the way they shut down the conversation is by making everyone feel guilty about slavery, which no living person anything to do with at all and no living person I've ever met supports. I couldn't be more opposed to it.
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Warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte, warte.
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Race is a social construct. Okay, well, race is a social construct in some ways. Yeah. But there's no doubt that there are...
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Sie sind nicht die gleichen Menschen. Sie sehen nicht gleich aus und sie sind nicht genetisch gleich. Das ist nicht wahr. Sie sind genetisch gleich. Das ist nicht wahr. Das ist faktisch nicht wahr. Und man kann es in allen möglichen Wegen sehen. Was ist der Prozent der Redheads in Sizilien? Sehr hoch? Ja.
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Okay.
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No, hair color is determined by genetics. It's not a cultural concept.
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That's exactly right.
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Okay. I'm not... Ich bin genau sicher, dass ich die Unterschiede verstehe, die Sie dargestellt haben. Ich sage nur, dass verschiedene Menschen, verschiedene Gruppen von Menschen und verschiedene Individuen verschiedene genetische Farben haben. Sie sind nicht wild anders. Wir sind alle Mitglied der gleichen Spezies. Wir wurden alle von Gott erschaffen. Als Christen glaube ich das.
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Aber wir hatten diese Probleme nicht, als Menschen Christen waren, weil die unterliegende Überzeugung war, dass Gott alle erschaffen hat. Alle haben eine Seele. Es war nur, als es wurde... Eine heilige Gesellschaft, die Gott hasst, dass man Menschen wie Tiere und Objekte behandeln kann.
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Slavery ist nichts, was mit AI und Transhumanismus zusammenhängt. Nichts. Nichts. Warum nicht? Weil Slavery, weißt du, obwohl es schrecklich ist, es existiert immer noch, um die Welt herum, aber es ist schrecklich. Und die Christen haben es entfernt. Keiner der anderen Gruppen hat es entfernt. Die Christen haben es entfernt.
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Weil sie es schrecklich glaubten, weil sie glaubten, dass Gott jede Person kritisiert. Aber selbst unter, sicherlich in den USA, selbst unter der Slaverie hier, so dreckig es war, waren die Slaven immer noch menschlich. Sie hatten nicht die gleichen Rechte. Aber AI und Transhumanismus, Transhumanismus spezifisch, versuchen zu redefinieren, was ein Mensch ist.
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Wenn man Menschen mit Maschinen verbindet, dann erkennst du nicht die Existenz einer Seele. Wenn du glaubst, dass jede Person eine bestimmte Seele hat, dass Gott sich um jede Person kümmert, wie ein Speck Sand auf der Straße. Jede Person wird gekümmert und überwacht von Gott und kümmert sich um Gott und hat ein Destin. Wie könntest du diese Person mit einem Computer verbinden?
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Because once you do that, then you don't have to acknowledge the soul. Then you can treat that person like the object that you've made them into. And, of course, we don't even discuss this, but whatever. The point is, look, my only point is, this is a super complicated topic, as I think we're proving, and there are always unintended consequences of any system that you set up. But I know...
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Wenn man die Welt und die Vereinigten Staaten anschaut, dann macht man die Rasse, die Appearance, die Genetik, eine wichtige Komponente in der Begegnung oder Verzögerung, dann macht man alle einander leid und man endet wie Rwanda.
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But you treat people as individuals. Why do I give a shit if someone's a woman or black? I care about that person, him or her. Are you a good person? Do you do a good job? I care about you. Yes. I don't care about all your ancestors, people who look like you. This whole phrase, this term that you use, community, is totally fake. There's no black community or white community or gay community.
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There are only people. No woman ever gave birth to a community. That's not a thing. God doesn't care. He cares about people. It's a social construct. No, but it's a way for politicians to dehumanize people, actually. I hate it. Or fragment people. But to treat them as less than human. You're not Chris Cuomo. You're part of the Italian community. You're part of the buff 50-year-old community.
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You're part of the former talk show host community or whatever. Like, that makes you less than who you are. No, your name is Chris Cuomo. You have a soul. God knew you before you were born? You have a destiny after you die? To call someone a community?
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Well, the correction has made the problem worse. People were not half as race conscious when we were kids as they are now. They weren't half as angry about race as they are now. And that's a byproduct of the system that was supposed to make things better. It made it much worse.
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Sorry, I have deeper questions for you, Chris Cuomo.
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Every American leader has been a divider. Every leader is a divider by definition. Us versus them, the enemy versus the homeland. You know, the first presidents of the United States drove the loyalists to Nova Scotia. Some of them were my relatives, so I know that. So you will divide. The question is, on what basis?
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And the thing that I worry most about in a country this diverse is racial division, because it doesn't go away and those wounds just remain forever there. Oder sicherlich für Generationen. Wir haben das mit der Slaverie gesehen, die ich glaube, hat Schmerzen. Ich würde das nicht erteilen. Es ist klar real.
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Also jeder, der eine rassistische Dividende vermittelt, verursacht einen größeren Schmerz als die Anzahl. Und Trump zu sehen, dass er die Unterstützung einer multirassistischen Koalition bekommt, die er gemacht hat. Wenn du siehst, was er gerade tut, siehst du ihn nicht, wie er versucht, Dinge zu brechen, um sie zu lösen? Keine Frage. Keine Frage. No question. I think you make a fair point.
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In general, I am on the side of builders over destroyers because I think it's much easier. I hate vandalism. Just on a gut level, I hate it. I believe in building and improving. But I do think in this case, and I think it's tough, and I think it's a tough balance. You can get into a frenzy of destruction where you just break things because they're there.
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I've watched vandalism in the last, really since Memorial Day 2020, when the George Floyd riots began. I've watched vandalism on a scale I never thought I would ever see in this country. Not just physical vandalism, but vandalism of our cherished institutions. Whether it's the Episcopal Church that I grew up in, the St. George High School I went to, which I loved, totally destroyed by this.
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Hast du mit dieser Schule was zu trinken? Sie lassen mich nicht auf dem Campus. Sie lassen dich nicht? Nein. Meine Tochter hat gerade eingeladen. Oh, es ist eine wunderschöne Schule. Ich habe meine Frau dort kennengelernt. Ich habe meine Kinder da. Hat sie da was zu trinken? Ich weiß nicht, sie ist mit mir verheiratet. Ich werde das nicht benutzen.
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Ich werde das nicht benutzen, aber ich werde es dir definitiv fragen. Und in den 80ern, und wir versuchen, Geld für Tennis zu zahlen. Wie viel willst du zahlen? Es ist 11 Millionen Dollar oder so etwas. Meine Frau ist so, ich fühle mich für dich. Ich bin in dieser Position, Geld für eine Schule zu zahlen. Du musst diese Leute anrufen. I love the school. I met my husband. They were married there.
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My dad was headmaster. You know, we love the school. I'll just pay the whole thing. I'll just, you don't have to call anybody else. We'll cover the whole amount. He's like, really? And she goes, I just have one request that you name it the Tucker Carlson Tennis Center. The guy's like, oh, okay. Let me check it out. Oh, you're not going to do that? He's like, um, um.
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He's such a nice guy, super uncomfortable. He knew that if he went back to the school and said, we paid for the whole tennis center with one donation. Yeah, no, they turned it down. Not that we were going to give $11 million for a tennis center. I don't even have $11 million, but if I did, I wouldn't give it to a tennis center or a boarding school. But isn't that funny?
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So that's how they feel about me. And you are able to laugh at it because? Because I'm happy. I've had a really happy life and we have a really close family. You also don't respect the basis of their rejection. Natürlich nicht. Und ich weiß, was meine Sünden sind. Ich weiß, was meine Sünden sind. Und ich habe viele von ihnen verletzt. Und ich bin mir in vielen Fällen schuldig.
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Aber ich bin mir nicht schuldig, was ich da gemacht habe. Aber ich meine, wer ist es nicht? Ich denke, es ist wichtig.
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Ich denke, du solltest dir definitiv schuldig sein, was du falsch gemacht hast. Und ich bin es. Aber ich denke auch, dass du weißt, was du falsch gemacht hast. and be ashamed for the things that are wrong and not ashamed for the things that aren't wrong.
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I totally, exactly.
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You've imported a lot of foreign conflicts into this country. I just want to say that. Meaning? Meaning that one of the byproducts of immigration is people bring their ancient resentments with them. And that should not be allowed. Period. Like, you want to come to our country for the opportunity, for the freedom, great.
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But you cannot, once you arrive, use the things that you're mad about in your home country to influence my foreign policy. My family's been here a long time. That's not allowed. It's not your country, actually. We're welcoming you. But you can't bring your ancient hatreds with you. And a lot of different groups have. And it affects our foreign policy. I really resent it.
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It's my money, my children's lives on the line and my country. So, you know, a normal country doesn't allow that. They had a protest of Bangladeshi workers in the UAE earlier this year. And they weren't mad at the government of UAE. They were mad at some issue back in Bangladesh. And they marched down the street. And the government of UAE deported them that night.
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Not because they're mad at them, but we don't import foreign conflicts into our country because these aren't our problems.
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That's historically been true. The only things, having spent a lot of time in Europe, I would say, one, I think it's unfair to blame, it's like everyone blames the European populations, like, you know, you're Algerians or killing people with machetes on the street because you're a racist. That's not fair. It's their country. They're the indigenous population.
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This was imposed on them by their leaders. Don't blame them. A. B. Europa ist einfach viel kleiner. Es ist viel kleiner. Und so ist die Vereinigten Staaten so groß, dass ich mein ganzes Leben hier verbracht habe. Es gibt viele Teile des Landes. Ich weiß nicht, was da los ist. Und ich reise viel in diesem Land. Und ich gehe zu einem Ort und denke mir, was ist das?
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Es hat keine Erinnerung auf das, was ich hier gedacht hätte. Total anders. Ich gehe nach Portland, Maine. It doesn't look anything like the Portland, Maine you remember. And there's no evidence people are assimilating at all. You go to Lewiston, Maine, they imported all these Somalis there 30 years ago. They've never assimilated at all. At all. In any way.
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Just kind of take it over to downtown Lewiston. It's a slum. It's dangerous. And there's no assimilation whatsoever. No English is spoken.
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Und so, du weißt, ich denke, die Lessons von Europa, die Vereinigten Staaten, denke ich, haben einen wirklich guten Job gemacht, die Immigranten, deine Großeltern, du weißt, wenn die große südeuropäische Wave der Immigration kam, als es in den letzten Jahrhunderten kam, und sie wirklich selbstbewusst, wie alle öffentlichen Schulen, wie sie Zivilität unterrichtet haben und wie es ist, ein Amerikaner zu werden, Englisch zu lernen.
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Wie, haben deine Eltern sogar Italienisch gesprochen?
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And that, I think, was the rule. And, you know, whatever the language was. So that's no longer true, because when we make any effort to make people American, because we can't define what American is. And we need to do that now and just require that everyone who lives here buys into the same some species, the same program.
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I don't think we should be North Korea about it, but we need to have a unifying idea or else we will break apart.
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Well, I think they've identified some things that are really wrong and in the first six weeks have made way more progress than I ever would have thought of fighting those things. So, but, I mean, we have some very, very serious problems and are they equal to that? If anyone is, they are. They've amazed me in the first six weeks, but... You know, there's a lot coming.
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There could be an economic reset, probably likely will. I mean, these are cyclical to some extent. And then there's also the technology question, there's the AI question. And I just don't understand what you're going to do with 15 million new unskilled workers in a society that doesn't need workers. And I'm really worried about that. I don't know who thought of that.
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Like on the cusp of the AI revolution, let's open the borders to Haiti. Like what? What are you doing? That's like the greatest crime that's ever been committed against this country. And I hope I'm wrong. I'm often wrong. So I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong here.
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No, fair.
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Well, honesty is kind of the point. I mean, I think you should be allowed to arrive at whatever conclusion you sincerely arrive at. And you should be able to tell people that that's your job. And if you work at a place where you know that you can't say something you believe is true, it's the wrong place for you.
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Ich meine, einer meiner körperlichen Glaubens ist, dass Kinder nicht töten sollten. Ich bin total gegen Abortionen. Ich denke, das ist das wohlstehlichste, was wir jemals gemacht haben. Und ich kenne viele wirklich schöne Leute, die ich sehr mag, die mir völlig nicht stimmen. Und ich weiß nicht, warum sie das tun, aber sie tun es. Und das ist wie ein Kern.
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Ich meine, Abortion ist nicht nur wie ein Boutique. Ich bin nicht ein Evangeliker, bei der Weise. Für den Rekord. Aber ich habe immer gedacht, was? Du kannst das nicht tun. Ich habe keine Ahnung, was das bedeutet. Das ist ein Baby. Du kannst nicht fucking Babys töten. Aber die meisten Leute, die ich kenne, in meinem affluenten Weltraum, disagreeieren total.
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Also, ich denke, und ich würde nur sagen, das ist wie ein Kern-Vergleich. Also, ich denke, es gibt viele tiefe Zufriedenheiten, also echte Zufriedenheiten, die schon vorhanden sind und vielleicht noch nicht vorhanden sind.
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Yeah, exactly.
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No, but this is where there was... You had a right to drink and then you couldn't and then you could. No, that's a privilege. We had a right to run for more than two terms as president. That, again, is not a natural right. It was. It was in the Constitution.
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You took it away.
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But look, we're benefiting from the change. Do you feel that there are things that you, it's an unfair question to ask you with the cameras going. It's the only kind you ask, Carl. Yeah. Ich spezialisiere mich auf das. Aber fühlst du, dass es Dinge gibt, die du nicht sagen kannst?
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You can run for president.
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You can amend the Constitution. We make all kinds of changes. We consider some things rights and then we decide they're not rights. I mean, there's no natural law that would support abortion. Ja, natürlich nicht.
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Thousands of kids are aborted every year post viability. It's just a fact. And they say, well, there's lots of reasons for it, but...
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Slavery is almost not a thing.
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Rape on subway platforms is almost not a thing. But I'm concerned about it. I don't want it. Because it's wrong. And anytime a child who can live outside the womb is murdered, like I'm upset about it. And I don't care how often it happens. It happens one time. If it even could happen, I'm opposed to it. It's a baby. It wasn't part of the law. Okay, but I'm just saying it happens.
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But the viability standard. The Good Mocker Institute takes the numbers and you can look it up. So anyway, I'm just saying like. Okay, it's a right. No, these are political institutions that respond to the public will or what they think it is.
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It says that in the document!
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Wenn du jetzt zu einer Schlussfolgerung kamst, was ich nicht meine, wie ein individueller Sexleben oder schreckliche persönliche Angriffe, aber ich meine eine Politikposition, die du gekommen bist, dass du dir sagen würdest, ich kann das wahrscheinlich nicht sagen.
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Yeah, well, the First Amendment says that the government can't have religious tests. But I guess you could just, whatever, rabbit hole, but I think we can just stick with the Bill of Rights and we could start there and say that those are the rights that our government exists to protect, wherever they emanate from. And the first one is the freedom of speech. And when you see the entire
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Leadership class, the country opposing the first right enumerated in the Bill of Rights, then you know the whole project is bullshit and the people running it don't believe in it. And you set the stage for a revolution, which is really scary.
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Also fühlst du dich wirklich nicht, dass es irgendeine rote Linie gibt?
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I would say there, I would just make two... Slippery slope, I know, but I struggle. No, not slippery at all. There are two obvious points to make. One is that if you live in a society where you're not allowed to criticize the people in charge, you live in a tyranny. Yes. As in Ukraine. Agreed. Not about Ukraine, but I agree with the principle.
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Well, they murdered Gonzalo Lira for criticizing the government, so yeah. And we have done that here, and I'm opposed to it. So that's like a super easy test. If you are not allowed to criticize the people who have more power than you do, You're not living in a free country. I still think it's weird that you look at Ukraine and not Russia for the immediate example. I'm not funding Russia.
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And my tax dollars are funding Ukraine. So that's kind of why I have a special interest. Any country that we fund, we have a right to look carefully at where our money is going. No issue with that. Any country. Okay. So I would say that. And the second point is, of course, I think the public discourse is completely out of control. I think pornography is disgusting.
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And I think the cruelty that I see all the time Es ist schockierend für mich und wirklich traurig und ich hasse es. Und es ist klar wie eine tiefe Rage, die sich in den Menschen befindet. Ich denke, ich verstehe, wo es herkommt, aber ich bin total dagegen. Und was machst du damit? Nun, ich kann nur sagen für mich selbst, dass ich versuche, es nicht hinzuzufügen.
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Ich habe es sicherlich hinzuzufügen, weißt du, manchmal. Und ich bin sorry über das. Ich versuche es wirklich nicht jetzt. Probably should have started a little earlier, but I still do. But anyway, I don't know what you do about it. I don't know what to do. Just try and model reasonable, decent.
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Last thing I'll say, I think it's the most important thing when you're talking to another person to remember that it's a person you're talking to.
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I get it.
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It's pretty clear. I mean, of course, I know exactly what you're saying and I agree with you. And I think that none of that is an excuse for the people in power to shut down criticism of themselves, as has happened in Europe and Australia. I hope it doesn't happen here.
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On the other hand, I do think, you know, if you don't think of other people as human, there's no limit to what you can do to them. And I do think that's like the key thing to remember is these are people. They have identical value in the eyes of God that you do. And you should always remember that, no matter how pissed you are at them. And no, you can't kill them.
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Can I say one last thing? Go ahead. Yeah, thank the internet for that. I am thrilled that you're enjoying yourself outside of the confines of the business we are both in. And even if I disagree with you on certain things, I just think it's inspirational to see a free man. Yeah.
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I'll just say I admire that.
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But... But I know you do, because there's not one Sicilian man in America who doesn't love Trump. There's not one. And I don't believe you're that man. I've done a survey of every Sicilian man in America, and every Sicilian man in America, in his heart, is like... Well, finally then I'm special.
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Because I am Sicilian, and I definitely don't love Trump. You and your brother secretly love... I know that you do. He can speak for himself. If I know, if I could x-ray your Sicilian soul, you'd be like, you go, big orange! Big orange! What I'm saying is this.
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Trump gets elected, not exclusively, but heavily on the promise, no more of these nonsense wars that are draining the treasury, getting Americans killed, making America weaker globally. There's no upside at all, particularly the war in Ukraine. Donald Trump says, I'm going to do that. I'm going to bring it to a close in like the first hours after becoming president. I think he says that.
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They're talking about it. Actually, our incoming national security advisor is talking about it on television. Who am I like? So it's not a personal attack. But here, U.S. policymakers have completely destroyed Ukraine. They pushed this war. They started this war. I think it's very obvious that that's what happened. You just described how. And, you know, Ukraine has been devastated.
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The Ukrainian parliament made it legal for outsiders, non-citizens to buy their land. So they're going to lose their country physically. And a whole generation has been destroyed. And now U.S. policymakers are saying it's your fault. You need to lower conscription age to 18. I mean, I don't, just as a Christian, I'm infuriated and repelled by that. Like, what is that?
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I think it's one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. I'll tell you what I hope is really at play here. No, I know what you're going to say. What? That this is tactical. This is like trying to strike a tough pose to put the incoming administration in a better spot for negotiations.
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How about we don't talk that? Okay, I agree with you.
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Why don't you say... Look, I mean, why even include the Ukrainian leadership in these conversations? I don't understand. I mean, I do think we should apologize for what the Biden administration just did to Ukraine. I think that is our fault or their fault. But I don't know why going forward you would even why would you have Zelensky? The, you know, Mr. Play the piano with his dick guy.
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What does he have to do? No, I'm serious. Like, why? He's unelected. He's not the democratically elected leader of Ukraine. There has been no he is term expired. He has no moral right to run that country.
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So I'm sorry, I keep pulling you into just trying to tell a story and answer the question. You know, going into cul-de-sacs as usual, but back to how this can be settled. So you just described why it's a very tough position for the incoming president. How do you how do you end this?
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Instead, why would we want to weaken Russia? Just to secure their nuclear arsenal and to make sure that like some violent Muslim separatist group takes control of parts of the country. Like what? I don't know because we don't like them.
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I didn't like Muammar Gaddafi, but has Libya improved since he was murdered? Oh, Lord, yeah. They have slave markets in Tripoli, so how's that a win for anyone? Who are these people? How can people that stupid be in charge of anything?
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So to the river, which is a considerable distance from where they are. But see, how far does that put them from the capital city? Well, it never goes into Kiev. I'm aware.
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And the question to you who actually knows the answer is, how do you do that?
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But then you also have a problem, which is this. Donald Trump just ran for office on the promise no more, you know, counterproductive wars. And so if his first act as president in office is to arm Ukraine, I don't see how that works, honestly.
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Well, not his supporters, the neocons in Washington. Fair point. Yes, that is exactly what I mean. I don't know how many Trump voters are for that, like right around zero probably.
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Because the two guys get in a fight down the street and I like bankrupt my family and put their lives at risk. Like what?
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Secretary Blinken's a criminal, by the way. And if he retains his security clearance after January 20th, I'm going to every single day. Raise the alarm. I mean, there's no way that Tony Blinken should have a security clearance after Trump is inaugurated. But I know he's going to. It's super simple. Just pull Tony Blinken security. Tony Blinken is a, you know, I think was running the U.S.
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government, hurting this country more than maybe any other single person in the in my lifetime. And yeah, that man deserves to should be held to account for what he did.
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It's flat. You know, last weekend I had a meeting at, you know, in a ski resort in the Alps, which is probably the most expensive town in the world. I was not there to ski for the record. But the whole town is Ukrainian. You know, all the visitors are Ukrainian and they're rolling into air maze and dropping a million dollars in an afternoon. OK, so it's all through Europe. You see this.
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The richest people are the Ukrainians. That money is ours. It belongs to me and you and every other American taxpayer. That's where it's going. Second fact, fact, not guess, fact is Ukrainian military is selling a huge percentage, up to half of the arms that we send them. Half. And I'm not guessing about this. I know that for a fact. A fact, okay? Not speculation.
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And then can you possibly describe why? And lots of Biden administration officials talked about taking back Crimea. You say it's a no go. It's not even worth discussing. Why is that? What is Crimea?
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And they're selling it, and a lot of it's winding up with the drug cartels on our border. So this is a crime, what's happening. Our intel agencies are fully aware of this. You tell me they're not profiting from this. Of course, you think the CIA is not profiting from this? Yes, they are. I can't prove that, but I believe that. What, they don't know this? I know this, but they don't know this?
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They know this. And no one is saying it like no American seems aware of this. We're sending these arms to Ukraine, billions of hundreds of billions of dollars, and it's being stolen and sold to our actual enemies. Like, what the I'm trying not to swear. What is this?
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Really? You think that's the number? Everything about this is a lie. And Tony Blinken, of course, because he's running the U.S. government, knows that it's all a lie. And so for him to say that out loud is evil. Like, that's truly deceptive, I think.
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Are you kidding? This is a nightmare. I don't understand. Why is nobody reporting? How come I know that?
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So the New York Times doesn't know that?
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Well, yeah, we saw that in the 80s with the Majideen, of course. How are you going to have commercial air travel around the world? By the way, if they're missile systems, you know, handheld missiles, you know, you can shoot down a commercial airliner pretty easily with a lot of this stuff. That's what it's designed to do.
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And if it's in the hands of separatist groups, terror groups, drug cartels, which it is now, how do you have a civilization? How do you have global air travel? I don't get it.
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But how can you send hundreds of billions of dollars of aid and weapons to a country and then not keep track of what happens to it?
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And I think that's the extent of terror attacks inside Russia. A lot of them. Yeah. So since when does the U.S. government sponsor terror attacks? Like this is our government.
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Does anyone argue that the Crimeans, the residents of Crimea, if allowed to vote on it again, would vote to join Ukraine? Does anybody think that? Anyone argue?
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Okay, so this is an area in which you have deep expertise. I don't have any expertise. Where are we right now from a standpoint of military readiness?
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So if you cared about democracy, you wouldn't try and steal Crimea from its people and give it to another government that they didn't want to join, right?
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I mean, I just keep reading all these stories about how they couldn't meet recruitment goals, so we're just having women fight our wars.
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So they lowered the standards. But it's not just physical. There's like women, I'm sure, better drone operators than men. I have no trouble believing that. I mean, I have.
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mostly female staff i think they're smarter and more capable than i am that's why i've hired them you know i'm not against women at all i think it's a moral problem you have a home invasion you're lying in bed with your wife do you say to your wife hey you get this one no no the point of war the point of having a military is to defend your women and children there's no other reason i don't understand so you have women fight your wars for you you're disgusting
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I think that. I know everyone's like, oh, shut up. You hate women. Actually, I love women. And I hate anyone who would put a woman in combat. Yeah, but in this day and age, you can't.
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You can't say, yeah. They've wrecked our society. Like, at some point, if you start the Iraq War or you start feminism, you start something that's like, or the transgender brain virus, something that's so clearly hurt a lot of people, the Ukraine War. Aren't you disqualified from weighing in on, like, future issues? Unfortunately, no. Hey, you know, Iraq War guy, shut up.
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Hey, Gloria Steinem, you know, dying alone, unmarried and childless. I think you kind of proved it doesn't work, right? Just by your own life. Shut up. Like, I don't understand why people with a long track record of failure. Well, get to talk about, you know, what we do next.
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I do think that's the central problem in the United States is that we do not punish anything, really. We only punish disobedience to the regime, but nothing else is ever punished. So you can be like, you know, the worst fire captain in the Western United States and let your city burn. And it's like, you go, girl, or whatever. But I just do think there's something...
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repulsive about sending women to go defend your country where the men that's your job is to defend and provide that is your job and that's not my opinion that's nature and there's never been a society a functional society in which men weren't required to defend and sustain you know work to protect the women and children that's the whole point this is less than the titanic that's western civilization in a sentence and we've just inverted it and like hey ladies go go defend us while we stay home and game and get high or whatever
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Like, I just find it real public.
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You keep saying the guys who won the Second World War are somehow too immoral to serve in the military now. And that the fat guy who runs the military, I can't even remember his name, Mark Milley. You know, with the chest full of medals, that guy's like, oh, white rage, white men are bad. Really? Who won the Second World War? Do you have Google? Look at the pictures.
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I think it was white men, actually. They're the ones who beat Hitler.
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I love women. But I just think it's, I mean, just think about it for a second. What is the point of having an army? And so people don't show up and rape your wife, carry off your daughters, murder your children. Like, that's the only point, actually.
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So the Ukrainians took out a bunch of Russian bombers, long range bombers on an airfield with drones early in the war. And I thought to myself, wow, you know, this war, which I don't know, are we studying this like carefully? I mean, I guess we're running it, but are we taking its lessons shows that.
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You know, drone technology has got to change our calculations about where we spend our money, right? So how many aircraft carriers do you need in a world with drones? I don't know the answer to these questions, but is anyone smart thinking about this? Well, I think about it a lot.
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Bill Clinton, the draft dodger as an aircraft carrier. Unbelievable. We've reached, like, peak parity. But why are we building aircraft? I mean, look— You know, you're the retired colonel, but it does seem like we should pause and ask, like, what, you know, what are we learning from what's happening in Ukraine?
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No, of course not.
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So, I mean, this is like a, what we're watching does seem to have like lots of precedent in history, but the most obvious is the British army that spends the entire 19th century fighting all these colonial wars against the Pashtuns and the mutant, you know, the mutinous forces in India and... you know, the Zulus, and they win most of those engagements.
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And then they have this peer-to-peer war in the First World War, and it commences with, like, British cavalry charges into machine gun fire. And, you know, it destroyed Britain. It's never been a great power, really, since then. It's pretended to be, but it's not. It's wrecked the country forever and destroyed the British Empire, that war, First World War. And everyone makes fun of them for that.
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Like you didn't keep track of what real war was as you were like killing all the villagers around the world.
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Well, I mean, because it is – the parallels are pretty obvious. I mean, you know, whatever. You don't want to be mean or anything. But the truth is fighting, you know, third world nations is different from fighting, you know, technologically advanced, you know, nations that have satellite stations and stuff. And – So, yeah, I'm really worried.
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Do you think, so the real question is, do smart people at the Pentagon, like, are they, throw away all the procurement stuff and the defense contractor pressure and all that, which is like, seems determinative in a lot of the time. But like, is anyone just thinking about this? Does anyone have the power to change things? the way the U.S.
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I know it's your Colonel Davis, not General Davis.
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So what is, I mean, I just know from living, I know very little about the military, but I've been around it a lot. And I know from living in Washington, you do run into tons of smart majors and colonels, but like flag officer, no. Like, what is that? What is that? The leap from colonel to general, what does it require? And how do they manage to weed out all the smart, free-thinking people? Yeah.
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He was, I mean, even I knew who he was. And again, I don't follow this that closely, but he was famous for his, well, intellectual horsepower, but also curiosity, honesty. Like, he was a well-known guy. Right.
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Just, like, swimming in the filthy pool of... Power politics or what do you think?
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How do you feel about the national security team?
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Stalin did that with gunfire.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
No, but I mean, look, what did the winning side do in both cases, in the U.S. and in the Soviet Union? They got new leadership. Yeah, because guys who aren't performing need to get out of the way. No, I agree. And by the way, I'm not calling for a purge of the U.S. military by force or anything like that, but I think it needs a peaceful purge.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
So really it comes down to what it always comes down to, which is how the information— is presented to the public through the media who are working every day assiduously with their allies and paymasters in the federal bureaucracy. And if you care what they think, you will achieve nothing. They will control you.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
And if you don't care what they think, then you have a chance at eliminating corruption and righting the country.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
Colonel Davis, thank you very much. That was great.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
Shut down by Boris Johnson, former prime minister of Great Britain, acting on behalf of the Biden administration.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
I tried to ask him directly and he demanded a million dollars. For the interview. And I'm seeing him at the end of the month and I hope I'll be able to interview him then. Wow. I'll be watching that one with great interest. I don't have a million dollars in my checking account right now to pay Boris Johnson. But yeah, well, what he has said makes it very clear that that was his position.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
Right.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
May I just ask, you're describing the war as really a war between the United States and Russia. You're saying that these are decisions that our military leadership made or should have made.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
OK, so I just don't think I mean, thank you. Everything you're saying makes sense. I think it's obvious once you think about it. But too few do think about it.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
So when Ukraine loses, you can look at the Pentagon and say, nice job, guys, yet again.
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Ukraine Is Selling American Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. Col. Daniel Davis on How to Stop It.
I guess he is like Churchill, right?
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
So, what happened to Anheuser-Busch? Like, what is it? If you don't mind, since you've thought about this probably more than any living person, how exactly did a company, an American company like that, that you felt like had a sense of the country that it served, go off in a direction that was so obviously crazy and self-destructive? Like, how could that happen? Yeah.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Larry Fink got super, super rich.
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A lot of like, manufacturing concerns, family businesses went under or did not get rich at the same scale. And so you just like throw out like race war, you know, hate people because of their, you know, whatever immutable characteristics. Hey, let's throw the trans stuff in there, too. By the way, we're all going to die from global warming.
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You basically just freak everybody out for the entire society off balance so they don't notice the looting.
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And, you know, it's really funny that- So do you think it would, since you've studied this much more than I have, do you think it would be a mistake to think that there was any sincerity behind this?
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Like, do you think there was ever a moment where, like, Larry Finker, for that matter, Tim Cook, or anybody at State Street or Vanguard thought, you know, we're going to solve systemic racism by attacking the white working class. Like, we're actually going to solve this problem. Do you think they really thought that?
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America's lip pillow.
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Yeah.
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It should be 100% African, by the way, if they're really going to make a dent, but they're racist, so they wouldn't do that.
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You probably have no idea where your meat comes from. You probably should know. The likelihood is that the meat you're eating passed through a massive industrial processing plant, probably owned by a foreign corporation. Foreign meat. Did you sign up for that? We don't think you did.
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So you probably have no idea of knowing where the animal grew up, what that animal ate, or what chemicals big food pumped into that animal to increase profits. That's all kept secret, meaning you can never really know what you're putting in your mouth and in your body. That's disgusting if you think about it, and it's easy to fix.
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Merriweather Farms, a farm owned by friends of ours, is a great option. We use their meat, we eat their meat for every meal. Unlike corporate farmers, Merriweather Farms controls the entire thing, from the pasture the cattle graze on to the facility where the beef is packaged.
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That's MerriweatherFarms.com slash Tucker. We eat it and vouch for it.
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It does feel like one of these, like, in 10 years, we're going to look back and be like, you know, they were major consumer products companies that felt empowered to talk about your sex life and the sex lives of your children. I agree. Back off with the gay stuff, by the way. Just stop. No one hates gays. Like, stop that.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Get out of my face with that stuff. Yeah, like, I don't care how people dress.
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I'm sick of it, actually. But, like, it's just insane that, like...
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I don't understand that. Like, why any society would put up with it? Why Zinn would pay for it? And of course, it's not just Philip Morris International. It's like so many of these companies.
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So they got involved in some, you know, they were considered a vector for unapproved foreign policy positions. And that's why the Congress did that. And they pretended it was about collecting data. These are, you know, people who are all in on, you know, warrantless searches of Americans and spying on Americans. And they have no problem with violating your civil liberties at all.
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They don't think you have civil liberties, but they were under pressure to ban TikTok because- It was considered radicalizing in ways that their donors wouldn't accept. So that's the truth. Sorry.
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I'm so grateful for that scandal, for the effects on the company of that scandal, and for your writing this book, because... And for what you just told me, because I think most Americans, I'll put my I'll say myself, I have no idea. Like, you know, you just use Crest toothpaste. You have no idea what they're sending money to. I use in for years. I finally realized it was a left wing company.
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I didn't get that at first. But most Americans just don't know what's happening to their money.
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Yeah, yeah, I love Evan.
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Controversial.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
I drink it every day. It's great.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
place like america's favorite malt liquor you know like what are we talking about you guys make old english 800 no we didn't make old english 800 now that was a brand i drank that as a kid yeah that's one of the reasons i no longer drink yeah did you ever do like the edward 40 hands with that one i no no that was a did you miss the edward 40 i did and it just you know everyone beats up on kids for being dumb but actually the newer generations are way more brilliant than we ever were edward 40 hands is like the funniest thing that ever happened yeah edward 40 hands was amazing so duct tape
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I'm against drinking. I don't know why I'm laughing. I don't drink. I hate alcohol. But that is hilarious. Duct tape 240-ounce malt liquor to kids' hands.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Okay, so, I mean, you're describing so many American companies, by the way. Yeah. That trajectory downward. But at the end of the story, there was this revealing moment where Anheuser-Busch executives, or one of them, basically just admitted, I hate our consumers. And you wonder like, where does that mind?
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
White men did a pretty good job making beer, I think. Whatever you say about white men, like they created the company, they made the beer. Like why we hate them all of a sudden? They created Budweiser.
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Right. But the, you know, the only people discriminated against in DEI are white men, obviously straight white men. So like, I don't know. There are probably some Asians in there too. So, well, they definitely have, well, they have been a lot of Indians and a lot of folks as well. 100% Asian, South Asians.
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But the point of it was to reduce the percentage of white men in positions of leadership or with paying jobs. Yeah. And I just, I felt like nobody had the balls to say that out loud. Like that was considered controversial to say that.
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In the end, thank God. But no, yes, I did get fired.
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I make diversity.
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Did everyone buy into the pronoun thing? Did anyone say I'm not doing that? No.
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Cowards.
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What are you really saying, by the way, when you announce your pronouns? What you're saying is it's not evident to people watching what your sex is? Yeah. Like your pat or something from Saturday Night Live? Like, you may not know this, but I'm a man. Like, you can't tell by looking at me, but I'm actually a man. It's like the most degrading thing I can imagine.
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I mean, people have all kinds of dumb ideas about business and dumb ideas about everything else. But if you're in the retail business, if you're selling products to consumers and you find yourself in a place where you're like, let's piss them off and humiliate them. Like that's so obviously insane. Like how could that, how could anybody say something like that?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Do you know, I quit drinking before light beer was a thing. I never have had a light beer in my life. Men just did not drink light beer when I quit drinking. Is it good?
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Yeah, I've never had a Bud Light.
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I mean, the human rights companies are freaks. I mean, they're literally freaks, and they're evil, completely evil, in my opinion. It's not about equality. It's about crushing families and Christianity, obviously. So why would a beer company care what they think?
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Man, if I'm the Chinese, I'm encouraging this a lot. Oh, 100%. Because you just wreck your opponent with this stuff.
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I was never against human rights campaign. I worked, like, a block from them for 15 years in downtown D.C. on 17th Street. I was never against them. I was like, okay, I'm for civil liberties, including for gays. I'm not against that at all. I'm for it. But it became incredibly rigid. It wasn't about that at all. It was about destroying American society, which they have done a lot to achieve.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
You got to sell gay beer.
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You can highlight your- So these are just all control mechanisms run by people like Larry Fink, like the worst people in the world.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
I mean, essentially, like that's where we were going. Well, it destroys the country. If you don't have a meritocracy, if the best people can't rise because they're the wrong color or the wrong sex. Yeah. But your country collapsed.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Can I just ask, since you worked there and you've written a book on it? Yeah, and I left by this point. Right, of course, but I mean, you know the business. Yes, yes, yes, yes. What's the right, before you explain what they did, what's the right answer? So you're running Anheuser-Busch right now. This happens. It's a huge threat to your core business, which is selling beer. Yeah.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
You hate our customers.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Yeah, whose manifesto we weren't allowed to see.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Just sell your beer.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
No, but- They have no right to run a beer company.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
They have no moral legitimacy. Even if you love the human rights campaign, which is totally evil, that's my opinion, having known them. But even if you love them, why do they get a veto over the behavior of a huge publicly traded company? It's just crazy.
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So, you know, I don't know the guy. I've met him and talked to him. Former CIA guy.
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He told me, right. Extremely physically fit. Big CrossFit guy. Most CEOs I've met, and particularly the more disconnected from manufacturing they are, the more finance-oriented they are, the better physical condition they're in. Just cut jawlines. They all play lacrosse at Middlebury. They're always on the- The guy looks like G.I.
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It feels like whoever's doing the hiring here is doing it based on appearance. And these are white people mostly. So it's not it's not DEI exactly, but it is a form of DEI. Like why? Like that guy seemed like every other CEO I've met in the last 10 years. Vapid. Afraid. Completely terrified. You could smell the fear on the guy. Obsessed with his physical appearance and totally lacking creativity.
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Are those fair descriptions? That was just my reaction from spending an evening with him.
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I'm not saying he's like a terrible person. I'm sure, you know, I don't know that, but he is definitely, and I hate to single him out, though he is a former CIA guy, which should be disqualifying right there, but... Oh, I'm sorry. But like, he seemed emblematic of an entire class of people who, in my pretty extensive experience around them, are deeply unimpressive.
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Like, I would not hire any of them to do anything in my life.
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So how can this Alyssa chick and the CIA dude still, I mean, how could they ever work again in American business?
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That guy's unbelievable. He's unbelievable. I could tell stories. But yeah, he's an unbelievable person. And this may be true today. He's an older man, mid-80s anyway. But he was still tasting Budweiser beer every single week. They send him every single U.S. product, and he tastes it. He's one of six or seven. You know this because you work there. Yep.
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And the people who founded that company, that family, you could say a lot of things about the family and this big, fractious family with all kinds of stories, but they all love beer. Oh, yeah. Like, they truly love beer. They drink their beers. Like, they think that Bud Light's an amazing beer. And they think, you know, Bud Heavy's a great beer. Like, they're into the product. Oh, totally.
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And it just feels like that's a correct, like... I use Alp from the second I wake up to the second I go to bed. That's why we own the company because I love it. And I think if you don't have that spirit, if the head of Philip Morris doesn't even smoke Marlboro Reds, get out. I totally agree. If you're embarrassed of what you do, don't do it.
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That's it. Why is that hard? If you go to church and like the priest is like, well, actually I'm an atheist. It's like, okay, I'm not saying you should go to jail for atheism, but I don't think you should be preaching in a church.
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Little pink jeep, little stonewall jeep.
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I mean, I'm not like. Go make a Stonewall Jeep if you want, but there should be just a regular Jeep, too.
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Well, they wanted to cancel Dave Chappelle.
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He was tough on the trans thing, though. He's like, this is this is not right. I mean, he like.
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He wasn't just mocking. He was like, men cannot become women, period. Sorry. I'm a Muslim. I'm not doing this.
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No, I'm 100% on Dave Chappelle's side. I'm just saying it was more than just a joke. Like, he was serious about it, I think.
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They didn't play the Obamas.
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But then we also have craft breweries like Goose Island. So they make King Cobra 40s. And again, I don't drink. I'm opposed to alcohol. But I love that I live in a country that still makes King Cobra 40s.
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I can't help it. And I assume they weren't pushing Dylan Mulvaney on King Cobra drinkers.
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If Alyssa Schopenhauer, whatever her name is, like, I think King Cobra drinkers are out of touch. That would take some balls.
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By the way, I haven't had a beer in almost 25 years, but someone, the head of the athletic brewing company, which is not a sponsor of the show, by the way. Yeah. He just sent me a couple of cases of it. Have you ever had that?
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
That's like the best thing I've ever had.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
He sent me, I don't know, he sent me all kinds of different, one was called Tucker, actually.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Yeah, it was, I think it was a wheat beer.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Hops are. Yeah. Hops are amazing. And hops exist for a lot of reasons, but one is to counterbalance the taste of alcohol because alcohol does not taste good. Right. You take the alcohol out, the hops just, pardon the pun, flower into this amazing, now I'm getting very out of control, but like this bouquet of flavors.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Have you ever seen Alyssa Schopenhauer, or whatever her name is, Alyssa, German name from Harvard, and then CIA guy, CEO, have you ever seen them drink beer at lunch?
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Oh, you say like, okay, he's a puppet. He's clearly a puppet and he's terrified. And again, I don't mean to attack him personally, though. Of course I am. But I'm sure he's not a bad guy. I'm sure his wife and kids like him. But it does seem like the people pulling his puppet strings, that's obviously true, they have an interest in making money.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Like, I don't understand the total lack of accountability in corporate America.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
It's like the U.S.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
I bet their kids are pretty great, right?
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Billionaire kids. Let's get some billionaire kids on the board. Yeah. Let's get James Murdoch on the board.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
No one is served. So you have to ask, like, what actually is this? So the company is not served. Its employees are not served. Its consumers are not served. Poor Brendan, who's just like a hapless bystander to his own life, guzzling mussel milk and hitting the elliptical. He's not he's humiliated. And then the shareholders lose two billion dollars a year. So, like, who is winning here?
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
And you've got to think that maybe this is part of a bigger play to destroy the West. Yeah.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
But all this stuff, the Black Lives Matter helped zero black people except the ones who stole the money from Apple. Except the big lavish mansions.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
No, but it didn't help black people. I'm all for helping. I'm all for helping everybody. OK, but it didn't help black people. It didn't help, you know, Kenosha, Wisconsin, which is destroyed, never will be rebuilt. Didn't help all the Hispanic families who live in Kenosha. It didn't help anybody. Actually, it didn't help anybody trans. How many happy trans people are there? Zero.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
That does not help. Actually, it just denies people grandchildren. Yeah. I don't know. It's hard to see who the winners are. Like, in an armed robbery, there's the victim. There's a liquor store owner. Okay, he gets shot. But then the guy who takes his money gets the money. Yeah. So he wins. So, like, I'm not endorsing that, of course, but...
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
There's a logic to it, but some of the biggest social trends in the United States don't seem to have any winners. And that freaks me out.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
It does seem that way if you're thinking long-term. And by the way, I don't mean to blame China... I don't hate China. I respect China. And they're acting in what they think is their own interest, which I think is what countries ought to do. But I'm not blaming them for, you know, Melissa Schopenhauer or whatever her name is. Alyssa, sorry. I was going to let you just keep going.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
The German lady from Harvard and the CIA guy who drinks muscle milk. I'm not blaming China for their personal inadequacies, their mediocrity, whatever. That's their fault. But big picture, like, it's just like, what is going on here?
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
I was with someone the other day who knows Larry Fink really well. And I said, boy, I think Larry Fink has really been damaging to the country, to the world. And this person said, you know, I feel sorry for Larry Fink. Why? Why do you feel sorry for Larry Fink? Because he's the single unhappiest person I've
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
But why do all these people hate the United States? Like the hostility you feel from someone like Larry Fink toward the U.S. is like... It's like you're mad at the United States, but you're American and you can only have done what you did in this country with all of our legal protections and all the freedoms that you have. Like, why declare war on your own country? And they all have.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
But there are lots of rich and patriotic, too. You could even. Yeah. I don't know, be unscrupulous in business and be patriotic.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
I'm not going to comment on that.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
And I don't mean to single out Larry Fink. It sounds like he needs our prayers, not our scorn. But it's that whole leadership class, which is so angry going back to, you know, Melissa Hindenburg or whatever her name is. I heard the Hindenburg one. Sorry, whatever.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Whatever. The last president of Germany. The one who handed it to the Nazis, actually. No, people like that. And it's not just her. Of course, it's an entire class of people who I've lived around my whole life. I know them and I know their attitudes and they're all like they just hate the country. There's like a gut level contempt for the United States.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
And it's like, what did America ever do to you? Actually, a ton of opportunity. You made way more than you deserved. Your life is a lot easier than it would have been in any other place. What are you mad about? But they all feel that way.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
But they work to undermine it. They want to wreck it. Like, what's America? It's a meritocracy. It's like that's the whole promise of immigration, by the way. Immigration only works in a meritocracy. It's like the smartest, most ambitious, fairest, most decent people around the world get to move here and just kick ass. OK, everyone's for that.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
We're not going to, like, move hundreds of thousands of Haitians into your neighborhood just to wreck it.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
I just find it. It's so strange. If they took that destructive energy and focused it on our actual enemies, whoever those might be, you know, we could get a lot done. That stuff is more dangerous than nuclear weapons.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
And the fact that he represents or owns or runs or whatever his relationship is, companies that make things, physical things. Yeah. That's why it's so sad to see it happen to AB because it's like they actually make a product.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
That's how much beer I drink. Is that what it was? For me, it was always a breakfast beverage.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
I was never, you know, I probably should have worked there because I was never embarrassed. I mean, I think Kevin, I quit drinking, but I was never embarrassed to drink in the morning ever. It never even occurred to me. I just grew up in a different world. And I always have felt my whole life. It was the breakfast of champions back in the day. If you're embarrassed to do something, don't do it.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
Yeah. And so I was never embarrassed. I'd like a beer, please. I'd like a Bud Tallboy, like a Bud Tallboy for breakfast with French toast. You know what I mean? Just kind of get you an even keel. And I've never had a Bud Light in my life, but I did think that Budweiser was like a pretty serviceable beer.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
So can I just give you my theory on this? Yeah. Here there's a there's a backdrop to all of this, which is the movement of, you know, the economic center of gravity upward in the United States. So Obama becomes president in 2008. Middle class is the majority in the United States. He leaves in 2016. The middle class is no longer the majority for the first time, maybe ever.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
And at the same time, we've got free money. We're down to zero interest rates. And that money is being pumped way disproportionately into a certain sector of the economy, the banking sector. And so basically, most people are getting poorer, but a small number of people are getting way richer. I mean, it's measurable. I live among them. Everyone's got a plane now. That was not true in 2008. Right.
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Anson Frericks: Bud Light’s Fall & Comeback Attempt, Zyn’s DEI Agenda, & Why Big Business Hates You
there's just created a lot of wealth. The Fed created a lot of wealth. And so in a certain sense, that's like immoral or it's certainly hard to defend. And so rather than defend it, it wasn't the companies that wanted this stuff. It was the debt holders. It was the finance people who wanted it because it was a cover for what they were doing, which is getting really rich.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Ben Cohen moved to Vermont in 1977 and co-founded an ice cream company that bears his name, Ben & Jerry's. They made great ice cream. They still do. Ben Cohen became famous for his liberal political activism. The ice cream was great. His political opinions were deeply offensive to most conservatives.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
And we need to fight Russia. You're saying that that's not actually what happened?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
That's for sure.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Well, because you don't expend missiles doing that.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
And he was later kind of lumped in with bad people as somehow pro-Nazi. You must be for Hitler. You know, it was like the worst slander you could level against somebody. And that's why he's forgotten now. something very similar seems to be going on where if you say what you just said, you're pro Putin.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So you've been that way. I mean, we're coming from different points of view, but I agree strong with everything you've said. But you're the one who's been saying the same thing for a long time, like ever since for the 40 years I've been eating your ice cream, which is fattening. Sorry, I hate to say it.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Excuse me. So I've been I've been listening to your views on this for a long time and they haven't they haven't changed. Do you think that your views have changed?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
But Ukraine feels a little different. All of a sudden, there was always this... persistent enthusiastic anti-war caucus on the left where you're coming from um not quite mainstream democrat but sort of moral fashion democrat they like evaporated maybe chris hedges jeff sacks jeffrey sacks you like where's everybody else
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Yeah, whatever they are, left, right, I don't know.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
That's 100% true. You're exactly right. And in fact, there are a lot of them on the right, whatever that is. Those are fake categories at this point. It really is. Well, let's say it was 1985. OK, it was 40 years ago or 1988 when I lived in Burlington. That was considered like a lefty view.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
But I mean, in the run up to the... So this is another, like, I don't think North Korea has a propaganda initiative as comprehensive and aggressive as the one I saw after the Ukraine war started. Like, it was just like, you know, the New York Open was taking Russian names off the scoreboard. New York Times was... editorializing in other people's advertisements? Like, what was that?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
The Eisenhower Institute. Eisenhower Media Network. Media Network. My apologies. So I've never heard of it. Yeah, I didn't think you had. Well, I sort of pay attention to this. Most people haven't.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Well, just no. I'm admitting that both because I want to be honest, but also because it tells you a lot. So this was a group you were involved in that had flag officers and had generals, admirals, other officers.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Worked at the Pentagon, worked in the military. Right. and I've never heard of it. That's kind of interesting. What kind of people were in it? What was the goal?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
What kind of response have you had from the media?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
I speak of the truth. I shit you not. I mean, that's disgusting. Yes, sir. I've known a number of them, of course, because I worked at a TV channel. I worked at a bunch of TV channels with a bunch of retired military officers. Yeah. you know, on the air, letting their expertise to this or that. And some of them are impressive. Some of them are utterly fraudulent and stupid.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Fast forward to 2022 and Ben Cohen was one of the only liberals in the United States to come out against the war in Ukraine. It seems like a good moment to pause and reconsider whether some of Ben Cohen's views on war are maybe not insane. Maybe they're worth hearing. Here's Ben Cohen. So you brought a book by Smedley Darlington Butler, the most decorated Marine in the world.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Well, I'm thinking of one in particular who doesn't know anything. I don't know how he was a general, but sorry. I didn't realize they were being paid by defense contractors to do that.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Well, I didn't know. And I know them. Right, right. Huh. So who was in the Eisenhower Media Network or is in it? What kind of people?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
How hard is it for them to join a group like that? It seems like one of the structural problems is that, you know, if you're a one star and you fail to make two star, you just like seamlessly move over to the defense industry to a weapons manufacturer. There's like a place for you.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Exactly. Right. So the higher you go, the more you make when you leave. So the incentive doesn't end with your military service. You get paid after you leave. Yeah. Exactly.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So when you were making ice cream, would you ever allow a contract set up like that to exist in your company?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
They'd be illegal. Yeah. Um, it, yeah, I'm just, I'm asking these questions, dumb questions, cuz I, I feel like I'm maybe missing something. So it must, so the guys who are, have signed up the retired officers who signed up for the Eisenhower media project are turning down a lot of money in order to do that.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
And what's their view would you say? Like what do, do they believe that these conflicts are driven by profit?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So when you tried to put this ad in the New York Times, or did put the ad, but with a different headline. By the way, what did they change the headline to?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
But something that didn't tell the truth about how this war started. Yeah.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So this was a major general in the United States Marine Corps, the single most decorated Marine when he wrote that. And I think he's pretty much forgotten now.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Yeah, they're assuming most people read the headline. Right, right, right. Nobody was saying anything like that then.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
I know. I was saying it. Got in a lot of trouble for it. All right. Yeah, it just seemed obvious to me. But very few people were saying anything like that. What kind of response did you get from people you know? Um, mostly positive.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Yeah. Because they were offended.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
And mistreated.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
And he was much maligned after he said that.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So you think, I guess another way of saying, you think that our military heroes are the most revered people in our country. You can't criticize a man who's received two medals of honor, and yet he crossed the line and they hated him for that.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Um, were there any politicians? So that was like in the first few months after the war started that you said this. Yeah. Were there any politicians who were saying anything like that, that you saw?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
No. including ones you knew personally and had supported in the past. They weren't saying that.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So that raises the question. And some of those politicians, because you've always been against war for the 40 years I've paid attention, you were supporting anti-war politicians, but they made an exception for Ukraine. Yeah, that's true. I noticed. What was that about?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
would invade and get rid of them. Of course. We'd be occupying Tijuana right now. Yeah. And I can see why, by the way. You don't want other people's missiles aimed from your border. That's pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to think something bad is going to happen, but you've got to take precautions in case it does.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Uh, well... Because you said that most people had this view because they didn't know better because they didn't have access to other perspectives, to the truth, to the history of this. What were you reading that they weren't?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
But you already had the framework for understanding this because you've been paying attention to this issue.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Man, that was not the way it was supposed to work. No, it wasn't.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Yes. I don't know. How can you have a democracy without access, free access to information?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
U.S. government-centric view.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
I don't know. I don't personally know anyone who's volunteering to fight Russia in Ukraine. I don't personally know anybody. I've never met anybody outside of D.C. who wants another Middle Eastern war. So in other words, the priorities of the government bear no resemblance to the priorities of the population.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So on Ukraine, your position, I'll just be totally blunt, is like totally unfashionable. It's like the least fashionable position you could ever take.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
This is a way to get called really pretty slanderous names. It's a way to break up friendships. As you said, your wife lost friends over this. So it's like, why would you do that? Why not just sit this one out?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
And in the process, there's also a sense in which there's like a suicidal impulse at work here, because for most of three years, we were closer than we've ever been to a nuclear conflict, like an exchange of nuclear warheads where the most of the Earth's population dies. That's factually true, I think. And I think planners of the Pentagon understood that, and they pressed forward anyway.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Do you think that the average American understands how close we have been to nuclear war?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
what, why, why do you think that people who plan these things and push these things don't seem to care about the risk of annihilating everyone on the planet?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
They're just cogs.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
But the machine itself is moving towards something awful, but they don't have that picture. They just know their role.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Huh. Who do you, you said there are no politicians who are saying what you believe, right? Is there, whose opinion on this do you respect on the Rushie Crane question?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Given that you, I think, were right about Russia-Ukraine, clearly, if there had been a ceasefire in the spring of 2022, probably a million people would still be alive and Ukraine wouldn't be destroyed and we'd still be in the same place. So, like, why didn't we do that? Given that you called that correctly, I think, where do you think we're going on Iran?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Why do you think that is?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
What's interesting is that Spendley, General Butler wrote that, you know, years after he left the Marine Corps, he was a hero in World War I when we were, you know, working to stop the Kaiser. You know, many Americans killed to stop the Kaiser. No one even remembers what a Kaiser is. But that was a war, the First World War was a war for democracy and freedom. It didn't work, of course.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Why, you sold your company, it was bought by Unilever, I think like 25 years ago. Yeah. Did you consider buying a vineyard? No.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
No, I can't afford a vineyard. No, I don't even drink. So kind of out of the vineyard business. But, um, why did you decide to spend the last 25 years on the issue of war?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Is that a technical assessment?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
But we're hearing the same slogans now with Ukraine. And and as then a lot of really decent, you know, good hearted people with the right motives are buying it completely. It's not it's not just warmongers who are in favor of these wars. It's like your next door neighbor who's a good person.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
You saw people, you know, just as recently as a few months ago say... we actually benefit from sending billions to Ukraine because that money goes first through American companies.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
The impulse that drives this is money, right? People want money. So you're an interesting person to ask since you didn't grow up rich. You've had times when you were poor, then you got rich, selling the best ice cream there is. So you've kind of seen the money thing from both ends. Do you think that people put too much emphasis on money?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Yeah. I have no perspective at all on that.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
can can really provide some real stuff that we need here in the u.s why why i mean so you're describing a system that like basically can't be changed because i don't know no i'm in the process of changing it okay so you think that democratic levers still work in a non-democratic system
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Yeah. Do you think that part of the problem with the Ukraine war was Trump was against it? And that made it hard for people who hated Trump to say, I'm against it, too.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
You were saying that you think there's something sacrilegious about basic and economy on weapons.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So are you driven by your spiritual beliefs?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Red letters refer to the red letters of the New Testament connoting Jesus' words. Exactly.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
Why would the, well, first let me ask, do you think it's a reasonable request by Russia not to have NATO expand to its borders?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
No. And it doesn't sound like it helps the United States very much.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
One, he's a Marine general. He won two medals of honor. And he wrote a book called War is a Racket. And for some reason, it's not the most famous book ever written in English, but it probably should be. What is that and why did you bring it?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
No problem. That's true. It is true. That was the end of his career.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
A year to the day? To the day. April 4th, 1967, he must have given that speech. Amazing. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, it's one, you know, the people in charge, I am convinced, would like Americans to hate each other on the basis of race. They don't want you to talk about the banks anymore. I think that's really true. I think it is true. OK, so back to Ukraine.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
You said that there was an association of weapons manufacturers that were lobbying Congress to expand NATO.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So that the the pie, if I were to look at if if you didn't tell me what country that was and you said there's here's a country that spends half of more than half of its entire discretionary budget on weapons and troops, I would imagine a small country surrounded by enemies, right?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
I would not imagine a continental-sized country with totally independent resources, enough energy, enough food, doesn't really need anything, that's separated from the rest of the world by the two biggest oceans.
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
That doesn't make any sense, actually. No, it totally doesn't. Has the U.S. been invaded before by a foreign army since 1812? I don't think so. No?
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
yeah it's it's interesting because russia collapses the soviet system collapses after seven years in 1991 the summer of 91 and i kind of assumed i think everyone assumed that we would take the win like we were having this cold war all these years and they collapsed we won and then we could be friends right and move forward because there are no more soviet communists left they're gone
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Ben of Ben & Jerry’s Exposes the Motives Behind War With Russia & the Politicians That Sold Out
So fast forward to 2022, February, and the conflict in Ukraine starts. And we're told that this is just like out of nowhere, like who could have known? And Putin wants to expand the Russian border, you know, all the way to Vienna or all the way to London or who knows. But he's just an expansionist power. He's Hitler. Yeah. And Ukraine is like the backstop against his expansionism.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So I think for most Americans, news about South Africa ended in 1994. Both literally, we stopped getting a lot of news from the country, but also people's views about it stopped evolving then. That was the year that... The apartheid ended, I guess, officially. You had elections. Nelson Mandela, still a hero in the United States, often referred to by politicians.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, not only doesn't it exist, you're not allowed to complain about it existing. Yes, yes. It's somehow a moral crime to notice and to not like it when people are murdered for the color of their skin. It's bizarre. Well, it's not bizarre. They're telegraphing genocidal intent when they're telling you, no, you're not getting killed, and yes, it's a good thing that you are.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yes, and no, you're not getting killed. What are they saying?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But just consider this. Tootsies in Kilgali in 1994 said, boy, a lot of us seem to be getting hacked to death by machetes. And reporters or political figures said, shut up. You're a Tootsie supremacist for saying so. I think we could fairly say the people shouting them down are pro-genocide of Tootsies. I mean, what's the other explanation? I don't really get it.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I mean, honestly, what's the other explanation? Yeah.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I would disagree with you. I think what they're saying is the people getting murdered deserve to be murdered. So stop complaining about it.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I mean, look, at some point, you know, I don't need you to explain your motive if I have a clear glimpse of your actions. If I know what you're doing, I don't have to hear you explain why you're doing it. I already know because the motive is displayed in the action. Do you know what I mean? Yep. So, in other words, if I pull out a gun and shoot you and somebody said, did you not like Ernst?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I can say whatever I want, but I just shot you. So I think it's kind of fair to infer that I didn't like you.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I watched what happened in Rhodesia when it became Zimbabwe in 1980 and something identical happened. There was a lot of killing and they drove it to the bottom rank of nations, the poorest country in the world. And following exactly the same script, I always thought that would happen in South Africa. I wanted to be wrong. Turns out I wasn't.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
What really bothers me is that the West has allowed this and cheered it on because I live in the West. I live in the United States. So like, I don't want to think that my leaders are for killing people on the basis of race, but watching how they've stood by and applauded, Barack Obama's applauded all this stuff. It tells you everything about Barack Obama and other American leaders, doesn't it?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yes.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Oh, I'm aware. I'm aware.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
The West forced through sanctions and boycotts. the change of government that put the ANC in power. So absolutely. In the same way, the West has armed Ukraine. So they have an obligation to make sure. Yep. You know, to at least know what's happening and to be honest about it, not to hide their own responsibility for the crime.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
From the beginning?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So can I – I think I'm hardly an expert on South Africa at all, but I am American. So if I – can I just give my overview of what – of the different groups in South Africa? And you correct me, but just so people following on because I think it matters for reasons I'll explain. So South Africa, there are basically two big white populations in South Africa historically.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
They're what were called the Boers, the Afrikaners, who are – were religious – basically religious refugees. Right. A mixture of Dutch and French Huguenots, Protestant Dutch, Protestant French, who moved to Southern Africa for reasons of religious liberty.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And then you had the English, who I think were after the Boer War in power, who mostly were there for economic reasons and had, in many cases, passports back to Great Britain. Right. And then you had a couple of different African black groups, the largest of which I think to this day are the Zulus, who, like the Afrikaners, the Boers and the English, were not native to the area at all.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
They were newcomers who arrived, I think, just right before the Boers did. Yeah, not long before the Dutch arrived. Okay, is that true? Yes, yes, yes. And they, you know, as invading groups often usually do, kind of exterminated the native population who were the... what we would call the Bushmen.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yes. Okay, so that's my dumb foreigner overview. Is that roughly true? Yeah.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But you're being called invaders by people whose ancestors were also invaders, right?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I think it's what you said is really important because I think from the American or the Western perspective, there's this idea that… Um, the Afrikaners, the Boers are worse. They're the worst whites there. Worse than the English. Yes. English, by the way, created the concentration camp during the Boer War. Yes.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Winston Churchill was there. Uh, and, um... kind of behave pretty dishonorably, I would say, on many, many levels for hundreds of years in South Africa, but that's just my opinion. But that the Boers are somehow the worst and that they have no right to be there. And I think history suggests something different.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
How many are left? How many whites overall in South Africa and how many of them are Afrikaans?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
um and now it looks like you're as you said entering some kind of final stage where they'll be i mean they've been expelled from a bunch of different african countries as you know um but it sounds like the the plan is to force them to leave or kill them or what is the plan exactly
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And it's only been, I think, in American media in the past couple of months that stories have come out of South Africa that a lot of Americans have read that actually the country seems to be falling apart and that the government is kind of genocidally racist. Yeah. And then President Trump in the past month has basically said the same thing.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So you said Samuel Huntington wrote that in 1996, two years after the election. Yeah. I kind of thought that from day one simply because I knew people there and I was more familiar with the details of the Mandela's. Yes. So but I think most Americans don't get any idea. Like what was Nelson Mandela on Robben Island for? What was he in prison for? For being black? Or was there another reason?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Right. A problem, of course, for the country, but also a demographic factor. That it's not as if there's this like monolithic black majority. There are all kinds of different components of the black majority, right? Yes. Don't necessarily get along. Yeah, yeah. But a lot of Zimbabweans murdered in South Africa.
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Do you murder other people or oppress other people? No, no. Then why – maybe you have an answer to this – a neighborhood, a community of 3,000 people, which is tiny, even by South African standards, has received unrelenting negative media attention in the West. Why – Is that such a moral crime, such an outrage to have a community like that?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
A lot of us have reached that conclusion. Yeah. And so in South Africa, there are many traditional – The lying is – can I just pause and just say the lying is unsustainable. When you open up the New York Times and it's a safe bet that whatever they're telling you is the opposite of the truth, then you've reached a point where it's like why even have media coverage at that point.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
What is that? Why the hostility? And that's true globally, by the way. There's no any white majority country. There are very few left. Very few left, but there's just suspect because they exist.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It is strange. I'm not mad at China for being 99 percent Chinese or whatever. I just I'm not mad at Burundi for being all black. It just never even enters my mind. What is that? Why is why is that? I mean, honestly, I guess now we can ask questions like this. Do you have any idea?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, not only is it not a bad thing, it's required by law. Yeah. Community and identity. I mean, those are like the buzzwords of the moment. Yes. But those are I mean, basically, it's just like everyone hates whites, including a lot of whites. And I just don't understand that. I'm I am white, but I'm kind of agnostic on the question. I kind of like all people. I think they're all created by God.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But but they're. We're required to pretend this isn't happening, but it is happening. Everybody hates the whites and wants them to die.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yes. By the way, if everyone wanted Malaysians to die or something, I would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, whatever Malaysia has done through the years, like you can't attack people on the basis of their Malaysian-ness. That's just wrong. I would say that. And I mean it too. Yes. But it's considered a crime to say that about whites. Like.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yes.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Maybe, but the Chinese have an awful lot of power in Asia, and I never heard anybody say you should – you know, it's outrageous that, you know, China's 95% Han or something. It's not even a thing. It's something about what, well, as they say in our universities, whiteness is uniquely offensive.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It's uniquely, and I don't think that's a product of enlightenment philosophy because, I mean, that was, this is a new thing. This is post-war. The Second World War did this in some way that I don't fully understand.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It's actually, I don't think anyone thought the lesson of the war was that nationalism is evil, only that nationalism when whites do it.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So I thought and think that the lesson of the Second World War was that targeting people for violence and discrimination, but especially violence, on the basis of their immutable genetic characteristics, was wrong. Like, that's what I was taught. It's inerrant evil. I believe that now as much as I've ever believed it. But it's just crazy to see people say that on the one hand, and then...
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
For a lot of people, a lot of our leaders, the lesson of the Second World War was, no, that's good. Actually, you need to target more people on the basis of their immutable ethnic characteristics, their whiteness, and kill them. That's the lesson?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, I don't think people can hear themselves. I mean, I think even this conversation will be like, oh, that's a Nazi conversation. It's like, no, we're arguing. I will speak for myself. I'm arguing against what I thought the core idea was. Or the core bad idea in the Second World War, which is that you should attack people, hurt people because of how they were born.
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I'm just based on who they are. Always been opposed to that. I will always be opposed to that. But now it's like complaining about it. Makes, I don't know, it's all so... You're not even allowed to say this. It's also fake. It's also fake. Like, it's actually, this is all a cover for something much more sinister that is not really related to the Second World War.
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Like, I just don't think, because it doesn't make any sense. As an intellectual exercise, you just, like, immediately hit a brick wall. Yep. Like, what you're saying is nonsensical. Right?
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Therefore, I think it's a lie because it doesn't even... Like, you don't even... I don't have especially high IQ and it's super obvious to me that it doesn't make any sense. So, like, what... I guess there's no answer.
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I don't know the answer, but there's something very deep going on here where the leaders of every country in the world all of a sudden decide this one ethnic group needs to be killed.
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the most affluent countries in the world per capita, I think. I mean, they are. And, you know, whatever you think of them, you don't see a lot of Arab leaders being like, we really were too Arab. That's the problem, where I hate myself for my Arabness. Like, that doesn't even occur to them. To their great credit, by the way. I don't think self-hatred's ever good.
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I don't think hating anybody in the base of race is ever good. It's only this one group that does it.
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Well, certainly most authentic Christians reject it out of hand immediately. It's essentially anti-Christian in many ways. Well, it is.
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the definition of anti-christian i i think i mean that's my look what do i know don't take theology device from me but that's certainly my truest deepest belief that it's this is immoral you know no matter who it's done to yeah so one i should have said this is the asset but
The Tucker Carlson Show
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One of the reasons there's been this real change in people's willingness in the West to talk about what's happening in South Africa in an honest way, not with the false pieties of Desmond Tutu was so great. Whatever Desmond, you know, you think of Desmond Tutu, not much. But we were required to talk about South Africa in a very specific way and to repeat certain cliches at really a gunpoint.
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And that's changed in the past couple of months. And it's really changed due to a South African emigre called Elon Musk. This is my perspective. You tell me yours. But he has made it possible through X, but also through statements he's made on X, to say the obvious, which is this is a crime against a beleaguered minority. And, you know, this is racism against human beings. And it's wrong.
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It must be so weird to live in a country that has received so much attention from Western media, so much attention. I mean, there's no other country in Africa where your average American knows the name of three famous people. You know what I mean? Not even close. Name three famous people from, you know, Congo. No. You know?
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But every American knows about Nelson Mandela, probably Woody Mandela, Desmond Tutu.
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Joined the English in the, I think in the First World War, like right, you know. Yes, First and Second World War. Right, but the First World War was, you know, not even 15 years after the Boer War. So that was a pretty remarkable decision that he made. I don't think most people are that in tune, but they know the big outlines, but...
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of what happened post 94 and they know all about apartheid and all that, but it must be so weird to be living in this country where all this stuff is happening and nobody is saying anything about it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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I think your family got to South Africa around the time my family got to the United States. Hundreds of years. This is my country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Well, I think that most people would acknowledge a distinction between military action, which is a – A war, a battle between militaries and attacks on civilians, which is something we call terrorism. Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Sorry, just kidding. Sort of, not really. But, yeah, no, of course. I mean, it's your country. I mean, what – at that point, what – you know.
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Are you kidding? Yes, it does. Big time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
We've mobilized our State Department to defend, quote, trans rights in the Donbass, okay? We've weighed into every sectarian conflict in this world for the past 80 years. Yeah, I think we can certainly say that a minority group targeted for genocide in the country we've been involved in really intimately for my entire life
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That that group has a right not to be killed and to have some measure of self-determination. I think we can do that. Yeah. That's not too big. Absolutely. Right?
The Tucker Carlson Show
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Well, just on principle, like. Like every other group in the world has the right to its own homeland except white people. Like what? Yeah. Like tell me, just explain to me how that makes sense. Either no group has the right or every group has the right. It's really that simple. And if you want to say no group has right. Okay. I, You might even convince me. I don't know.
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I'm not a race guy, actually, by my temperament at all. I'd kind of like to ignore it. But as long as some groups have a right to self-determination, then every group has a right. It's that simple. And if there's a special carve-out where one group doesn't have a right, you have to explain to me why that group doesn't have that right.
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It doesn't make any sense, and it's leading toward a really bad conclusion, obviously, as it has for every other group targeted in this way has really suffered, and there are a lot of them, okay? It's not, you know, there are a lot of them. Yep. And it never ends up well. And I just don't know why we're playing along where you're not even allowed to say, oh, you haven't been.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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I don't care anymore, obviously. But again, either every group has a right to self-determination or no group does. You can't have this system where... You know, some groups do or all groups do, but one, no, no, no. It's all or nothing on this.
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I don't know why, though. I mean, like, what's the counter argument? I don't really get it. Like, what is the counter argument? There's only one group on the entire face of the planet that doesn't have the right that every other group has? Like, tell me how. It's... It's really bizarre. Maybe there's a good answer. I'm waiting for it. No, well, we don't know what the answer is.
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So there is no answer. And so because there is no answer, the way that uniformity is maintained is just through threats. Like, shut up. You're a bad person for saying that. You're a Nazi. It's like, no, no, no. I hate the Nazis. I'm going to speak for myself. I hate the Nazis. I hate the idea that people are attacked for something they can't control, like how they're born, their genetics.
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I just don't believe in that. I never will. I'm a Christian. I don't believe in it. So you can call me whatever you want. I'm actually making the opposite case. And I haven't done anything to be ashamed of. And if defending the right of people not to be murdered because of how they were born is a crime, then I'll plead to it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
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But I actually think that the only thing that people currently in charge of most of the world, certainly of the West, are good at is seizing the moral high ground.
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And they don't deserve it. They haven't earned it. They're rotten. Their ideas are rotten. And they don't deserve to lecture the rest of us about our moral inferiority while they're endorsing the murder of people for how they were born. Sorry. It's a house of cards. What is a house of cards? That's exactly right.
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They have a long history of border drawing, I notice. Yes.
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We should rethink the borders. You'll never be allowed to do that. I mean, let's just cut right to the no BS part of this. that will not be allowed. It's never been allowed. You will need either to get to force, which I pray you don't, because I hate that. I hate killing. Or you will need the assistance of a powerful outside force that makes it happen. That's just a fact. Is that fair to say?
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Yeah, no, I think it's fair to say. Right? So anyone who says, I want to kill you, you know, kill the boar, you're subhuman, right? Those are not people who are going to say, yeah, go ahead and create your own independent state and not bother anybody because you're going to be way more successful and prosperous than they are.
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And they're going to hate you on the basis of envy, of course, that's already happening.
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No, I get it.
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Right.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Women and children. Pastors by, you know, people had nothing to do with anything. Yes, yes, especially. And so during that time that Mandela was in prison, I'm 55, so I remember this very, very well. His wife was effectively his spokesman, Winnie Mandela. And she was lionized in the United States. She was a hero.
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Yeah.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, it's a good story. It sounds like a good story. It's a good story. Yeah, it is. I mean, I'll admit to being kind of a dopey liberal in some ways. I really prefer the idea of, you know, people living together in harmony. It's just I just feel that way. I can't help it. That's my.
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enlightenment legacy or something um i also think you should do with reality and i definitely don't think you should be allowed to kill people because the way they look period so by the way how did these people why did they go on tv like they're on the right side they're like endorsing genocide like i don't understand i don't understand how they've been allowed to get away with
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being on Winnie Mandela's side and feeling self-righteous. I just don't get that. I think it's disgusting. Whatever. I said that five times. I can't say it enough. But how do you know it won't work? Like ANC obviously is a criminal gang, totally incompetent. You don't have electricity a lot of the time. Like it's not working. They're just stealing everything. Got it.
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Stealing the copper out of the wires. But there's not another political coalition that could run it effectively?
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She was the mother of an emerging nation, you know, a woman of peace and decency, really a transcendent figure, a holy figure. And then it turned out that actually she was a murderer. who had, you know, burned to death or supervised the murder of a bunch of different people. Tell us about that.
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Boy, that is the story globally, isn't it?
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The drug cartels are one of the most powerful governments in the world, or they're not even in government.
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That's the fact. Well, it all seems fake. I mean, it seems like – and again, one of the reasons I'm so fascinated by your country is I think it's – It's on a trajectory that I recognize as an American. So you have these legacy institutions that sort of go through the kabuki of dispensing justice, but it's not justice, actually. It's totally disconnected from justice. It doesn't mean anything.
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And you have this constitution, which is beautiful, which is... You know, ignored. The only power resides in the people who interpret it, as you said. And so then you reach kind of the end point or the most recent end point, which is the idea that whites can't own land. Can you explain this?
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Well, how is expropriation without compensation different from stealing?
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So it's not happening, but it's a good thing that it is. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it. As always, right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
What's interesting is we've seen this exact movie frame by frame right next door in Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia. which was one of the most prosperous countries in Africa, one of the big tobacco producers in Africa.
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Well, it's shocking. But again, it's, you know, like organized government-sponsored racism doesn't work. And I don't care how often the New York Times defends it. It's always the same. And that is like right next door to you. And you have a refugee crisis in your country because of it.
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Okay, so again, no one wants to use the term, but this is genocide. I mean, that's what that is. It's targeting a group of people for extinction, elimination on the basis of immutable characteristics. Like, I don't know what... Is there another genocide definition I'm not aware of?
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No, I'm not saying there is. I'm saying that's where it's going. Like, what's the other end point here?
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Because of your race. Because of your race, yes. If we can't say that's wrong, then anyone who can't say that's wrong, anyone who makes excuses for that is a dangerous person. I don't know what else to say. Put another group in there. I don't care what group it is.
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Can I say, it does seem not only like one of the worst governments in the world, but one of the dumbest also.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I'm sorry, I don't follow it that closely. Have those comments were noticed in South Africa?
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I wanted to go to Cape Town for Christmas just on vacation. I didn't have time in the end, but probably I shouldn't go. Is that what you're saying?
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What's the penalty for treason in South Africa?
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No, they just necklace you. It's informal.
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I've seen that with my own eyes a couple of times. Yeah, it's really scary.
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Yes. You got a lot of lynchings. I mean, again, add it to the irony file. I mean, South Africa is like the world capital of lynching. Yes. Oh, I noticed. Yeah.
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I'm aware.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah. Yeah, I've noticed. Like pretty shocking, like almost like I wouldn't want to describe it.
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Do you have the right of self-defense, the right to defend yourself and your family in South Africa?
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Yes.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And it's shocking to a lot of people, I think, how bad it is and just how racist it is, far more than apartheid ever was. And so I'm wondering, since you've just landed from South Africa, you live there, describe the state of the country right now, if you would.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And was a hero then. And so that to me was a sign that these are these are not, you know, liberators that they're oppressors.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So what, now that the president, I'm using air quotes again around president, I mean, the whole system is fake. Obviously, it doesn't affect justice. It doesn't improve the lives of its citizens. It's in no sense a legitimate government. And by the way, it's not the only illegitimate government in the world.
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But but anyway, what happens when they try the government tries to put this law into effect to try to act on it? You know, the government shows up your house is you can't you know, you've lived in the same plot for 100 years. You can't have it because you're white. We're taking it. Like what? How do people comply?
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Why aren't you in private equity?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah. And so but no one in the West wanted to think that it was like a really simple tale of white oppression of noble black people. And by definition, the black people. I mean, there were oppressed black people, of course. And there were noble black people. But the leadership always struck me as evil. Right.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
That's the upside. I lived in Washington, D.C. almost my whole life. And that was absolutely true there. You know, the government make all these, local government make all these threatening noises, do this, do that, do the other thing. It's against the law to do this, whatever. And you just kind of, people just ignored it. And-
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We're just not going to comply. I know someone who had a thriving business he built himself in South Africa, and the government showed up and said, you're handing half your business to your new partner who didn't do anything, just show up and collect the money. And it's just, they stole half his business. Because it's all theft.
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I mean, it doesn't, I noticed that like black South Africans haven't gotten richer in the last 30 years. No, no, no.
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So what if you were to say, like, how about no? Like you have no legitimacy. Yeah. And you haven't been here any longer than I've been here. And you have, I mean, and I have guns too. So like, I'm not participating.
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Those are deadly. Yeah.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
That sounds, I mean, I don't live in South Africa, but again, I have lived in Washington, D.C., so that sounds totally right to me. I wonder, though, about what you said when we first started talking about this, about the mob justice. That does sound scary to me. I think that's a bigger threat. What do you do about that? How do you live in a country where your neighbors could rise up against you?
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You defecated on it.
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That's attractive. Well, that's kind of like the level, actually, that you're dealing with.
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Of course it is. Of course it is. And, you know, that's where you get killed. The situations like that, I think. So what do you, I mean, you have to be pretty well organized, pretty well armed.
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Well, I saw a video of the South Asian communities in Durban, the big South Asian, big Indian community there. And I don't know if this is representative, but the videos I saw, man, they were not putting up with it at all.
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That's true. You've got some brave Indians. Yes, we do.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It certainly is. It certainly is. Can I just ask a dumb question, a childish question? Why – if I'm the governor of South Africa, it's like – Why are you going after productive people, for one thing, the most productive? And that would include the Indians, the Afrikaners, by the way, some of the black African immigrants, Zimbabweans. These are like are some of the most productive people.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Why not just live in harmony, actually? So wouldn't it be better for everybody?
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So it's just – I know I'm going back to the same themes. I'm getting older. Sorry. No, but I mean, I actually did know that because as I said, I've always been interested and I knew people there, but nobody in the American press mentioned that. Not one person.
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But in the book, he writes about… In English, I don't know if he wrote it in Afrikaans originally, but it's a beautifully written book. It's very well written. He's a very nice writer.
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Oh, he does? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I think they knew exactly. I think it was very obvious. So I was 25 in 1994. And it was very obvious to me. And I, you know, I don't think I have any special powers of insight. I think you would have to be lying to yourself or lying to your audience not to acknowledge it. And by the way, it's 1994. That's less than 20 years after the Khmer Rouge took power in Phnom Penh in Cambodia.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It was the same year as the Rwanda. It was later that year.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, you mean in terms of where we are today? Well, let's just follow different threads. So let's just start with, I don't know, technology and infrastructure. In 1993, South Africa was famously the most prosperous society in Africa by far, right? Among the most prosperous in the world, correct? They had nuclear weapons in South Africa. Yeah. Yeah. What is it like now, 30 years later?
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April. May. May. Okay, right. Yeah. Yeah, I remember them both very well. And I knew people in both places at the time. But I remember thinking, obviously, what happened in Kilgali in Rwanda is way worse than anything that's happened in South Africa, thank God. But... Bottom line, when bad people with bad motives stated publicly take power, it's not good. So I don't know.
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That sounds like an American diplomat.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
We're being unwilling to clearly define your terms. Like, what is democracy, actually? Yeah, well, I think that's an underlying... It's an underlying problem. Yeah. Right. And it's a problem that's only surfaced in this country in the last couple of years.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Will that bring the electricity and water back?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I mean, again, I just, yeah, I think it's, the picture is really, really clear. You know, it couldn't be clearer.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, you came in the first place because you were an oppressed minority, correct?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, absolutely. It's part of history. I mean, it's not a myth. It's real.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah. So, do you think, I don't know what the resolution will be, and I'm certainly rooting for all South Africans of every color. But, fervently, but... I got to think that being able to say certain obvious truths out loud helps. Yes. Do you think?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
You just said we're taking your land because your skin color is so white.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I got to say, in a lifetime of travel, if I could just generalize, The two most impressive groups I meet everywhere my whole life around the world, both groups living in exile in large numbers are the South Africans and the Lebanese. Oh, really? Yes. Yes. I've never met one of either group I didn't like and didn't admire. I don't think I've met one in either group.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And the thing that they have in common is they live in beautiful, volatile countries that they really love, but they're very hard to live in. And so they're caught between that tension, you know, cowardice and recklessness, and they're making that calculation every single day. And they're living so thoughtfully and so purposefully and in such a, I don't know, just an admirable, noble way.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I've just noticed that. Well, I appreciate the comment. It's just an observation, but I've thought about it many times. Last question. Where can people who have made it this far into the interview and are interested... in what's happening in your country and happening to your group, how can they follow it? How can they be helpful? How can they learn more and be supportive?
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I know.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I hope to see you again.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It's just so interesting and it reveals so much about us. I'm American and it reveals a lot about our leadership class and I think it's important to say it. Thank you.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
One of the reasons that I find this story so fascinating is not simply because, you know, it's like the classical, you know, irony of history. This, you know, group comes in with one aim and then achieves exactly the opposite. We're going to have a, you know, we're going to end racism and then make racism much worse. But also because they have gone about it in a way that's almost like American.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
The same language, the same diversity is our strength kind of sloganeering. And it's had the same result, which is to basically kill whites. And I – I mean, that's just true. And I wonder if you see that. It's almost like you imported our kind of – intellectual class framework for this project.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I mean, it's always the same in every, I mean, we're watching in parts of the world now, they're not fully human, right? So we can kill them because they're fully human. Then it's, of course, a grave sin to kill them.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, every country and, you know, genocide broadly defined an attempt to eliminate a group of people on the basis of their race or ethnicity.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Right. Okay. Okay. So this has been going on a long time. I think it's been well documented. I believe you wrote a book about it, which has become very sold a lot of copies on Amazon. I notice. Yes. And so none of this is like a secret and all of it's verifiable because, you know, dead people are pretty easy to track because they're dead. We have the names of the people who've been murdered.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Exactly. Yeah. But in the United States, the country that inspired the revolution that you're living through, our media have ignored that and then gone beyond ignoring it to attack anyone who brings it up as a, quote, white supremacist.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Sorry. Good to have you. You're a fountain of startup ideas and I need, I, you got some, you told me you have some ideas.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Tell me about it.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
What do you think? I absolutely love it. So I believe that screenshots are the new bookmarks. And a lot of people, I know, to screenshot this podcast. And they'll send me a DM and they'll be like, hey, at minute two, minute 35, you said this. It also kind of reminds me of how I use Twitter bookmarks. So I'm a bookmark person, but I never go back to the bookmarks.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And it's too bad because the reality is the interface on X is not conducive to remembering and capturing insights. If I'm you, by the way, this is exactly what I'm building because based on what I know about Sublime and like the mission around capturing insights and get, you know, becoming more creative and stuff like that, it feels like,
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
If I were you, I'd create a bunch of micro apps that do one thing really well.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Exactly.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Podcast Magic? Yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I mean, I'm a name guy, you know? I don't have one off the top of my head that's better than doctor podcast.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
It's a doctor type of morning. But why I don't love it is... I feel like the trend around the sparkles for AI and like the magic of AI will lose, it's starting to lose like it's magic, so to speak. So I just wonder, I wonder like, you know, what makes Google such a good search engine is it's a verb. So I wonder like, what's the verb for doing, you know, a screenshot that's of a podcast, right?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Where do you want to start?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So like, is it a pod shot? Like maybe it's Podshot and it's like, oh, I just did a Podshot and sent it to you.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yes.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So you're talking about an insight that I want to double down on, or double click into, which is kind of the future of building startups is not by building a startup, it's by building a micro startup. So the old way of building a startup was... you had this big idea and you went and go built this big idea and you iterated your way to product market fit.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
But I actually think now, especially with AI and how easy it is to build, it makes sense to be like, okay, I want, you know, here's my big vision. Here's what my startup could look like in five, 10 years. This is like draw it out. But then being like, okay, how do I unbundle my startup? So you go through an unbundling process and And then you write out what are the five to 10 micro startups?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And then from that, you prioritize around which ones do I think have the highest likelihoods of going viral or spreading? And then from that, you prioritize what are the easiest way, you know, this, yeah, what's, what's, what's the effort estimate for this startup versus that startup? And then you do something with low effort estimate. And then your job, like,
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
as a startup builder is you're building multiple of these basically. Yes.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Also, people don't look for an inspiration engine.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
That's a mistake a lot of founders make is they write out their 10-year vision and it's like, I'm creating the inspiration engine and then go look at Google Trends data.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
A hundred percent. And then you, and the beauty is you can test that. You can test those headlines, like create some ads, um, see what resonates with people before you go and raise millions of dollars or spend your own money and time to go build a big software product.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So how to test with ads, I would say, is you still need to build your micro app or startup, but what you can test is the positioning. So you can do an ad where it's like, find your creativity, or you can do an ad that's like, screenshot your... or get insights from podcasts and you can see like what resonates. And then from that, you could do conversion rate optimization on your main platform.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
product yeah that that's you know the the lean startup old school book at this point but like the lean startup by eric reese talks about um how you don't need to actually build anything you can put a landing page you can send traffic to it and based on that you know you can figure out what to build um i don't think that works anymore
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think that it's like, why would you do that in an AI world where building isn't the hard part?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
You know, I think that worked maybe a long time ago when like, idea to like production took like 18 months. But if it takes 18 days, it's kind of different.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I it's, it's tough. I think, you know, some people like you talked about, you know, art versus science, basically earlier, some people get to the positioning and the product via taking out ads, putting their money where their mouth is and iterating their way to success. And some people are, and that's like science. And some people are more like, I need to go and
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And would you pay, is it like a one-time fee or is there a subscription element to it?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
like go on a journey to like go and figure this out. And it's more of this like intuition.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Soul, yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Exactly.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
How many, how many customer feedback calls do you think you'll take this year?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I want to hear, I want to hear your other idea that you have, but before we do that, I want to tell you a quick story of something that happened to me. So I, I, saw that a really well-known founder, with a many multi-billion dollar exit and a mainstream technology product started following me on X. And I reached out and I said, and he started a new startup recently.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And I reached out and I'm like, hey, I like what your new startup is doing. By the way, I'm very excited about it. And he was like, oh, late checkout should use our software. And I was like, okay. And he's like, let me connect you with my team. And then I see on the, you know, okay, so we schedule a time and I see on the calendar invite that the founder is on the call.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
It's literally like a sales call and he's coming to the call. And I was so shocked because like, I couldn't believe that this billionaire was taking sales calls with essentially like random people from the internet. And that inspired me for 2025 to take more sales calls, more customer journey. So the reason I bring that up is every founder
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
depending on where they are in their cycle, they may be like, I need more feedback or less feedback. And it's important to know where you are.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. It's like,
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
You have one last idea for us?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I hear a lot of ideas and this might be one of my favorite ideas I've heard in a long time. I'm serious. This is like the insight is correct. I think, uh, there's so much, there's so much insight trapped into long form that could be put into short form.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And how that's being done today is that people are taking long form video and turning it into short form clips, but they're not taking lump long form texts and turning into memes. I think that there's a nuance to memes, like certain memes resonate with certain communities and, um, So you don't wanna mess up the meme, right? And you wanna make sure that you're getting the most,
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think if I was starting this idea, I would call it drscreentime.com. And I would actually start by building like the media business. So basically start by creating content just all around screen time. And you know, your first goal is like, how do I get to a hundred thousand followers of parents who are looking for, to consume content, to basically,
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Like you don't want to post a meme when the meme is done. Like that format.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So that's going to take iteration to get to prime time. But if you're able to create this, if someone ends up building this, this is like a $10 million a year plus SaaS business.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I love it.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I love it. Sorry, this has been fun. You got to come back again.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
You have to come back on again.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think that's right. It's making me. It's making me rethink some stuff in my own stuff. So thank you. Yeah, thank you.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
And where could people learn more about you and Sublime?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I love it. I should get on there.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
All right. Thanks, Greg. Thank you. See you next time.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
curb screen time or just make, you know, time well spent with respect to screen time.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. Can you, like, I don't think everyone knows about her.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
It's recurring, isn't it?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Content to commerce. Yeah.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So the founder of Zumba is- Actually, I don't know anything about the business. I just know Zumba.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Totally. Quick break in the pod to tell you a little bit about Startup Empire. So Startup Empire is my private membership where it's a bunch of people like me, like you, who want to build out their startup ideas, right? Now, they're looking for content to help accelerate that. They're looking for potential co-founders.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
They're looking for tutorials from people like me to come in and tell them, how do you do email marketing? How do you build an audience? How do you go viral on Twitter? All these different things. That's exactly what Startup Empire is. And it's for people who want to start a startup but are looking for ideas.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
or it's for people who have a startup, but just they're not seeing the traction that they need. So you can check out the link to StartupEmpire.co in the description. So I actually think there's a huge trend around business in a box companies. So we're sitting here in Miami.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
all everything that everyone sees here, like with the mics and the cameras and our whole setup, that was actually, there's a company that sent us all this stuff. So you can rent all your podcasting stuff in a box. They send you a box, you pick it up at FedEx, But what was missing in my opinion is, do we want to name drop the name of the company? Lens Rentals is the company.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. But if I was running Lens Rentals, I would have upsold for sending like a podcast doctor to, to come and actually set up everything, make sure all the levels are correct, make sure the shot is, the frame is there. Like that's what was missing. And if I was Lens Rentals, I wouldn't be called Lens Rentals. I would be called podcastinabox.com, which by the way, the domain is available.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. In fact, we should probably just buy that domain.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Okay, let's start there.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
A hundred percent. I also think that there's probably, there's probably a business that you can create like a status business. Whereas like I've been off my phone for seven days and I get this badge and I can like, you know, there's, there's something there also.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Exactly.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Totally.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
So basically is the idea land to school for trades people?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I think if I was going to do that idea, which by the way is a big idea in a good way, I think that not only would I want to train these trades people, but I'd want to arm them with, here's how to get customers. So basically what I would do would be like, okay, you're now trained to be a, you know, call it an electrician. And I'm gonna do all the Facebook ads for you.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
I'm gonna create the website for you. And then you take a cut for that. And then you take a cut for the training.
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
Yeah. I mean, I honestly think that's the biggest question I'm wrestling with is just if AGI happens, which you have to assume it will, what becomes a commodity and what becomes scarce?
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Dana White: Joining the Board at Meta, the Bryce Mitchell Controversy, and His Friendship With Trump
What other ideas you got?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Here's Morgan. Thank you. Sorry. Telling off-color jokes off-camera. Thank you so much. No, my pleasure. We are in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. We are. I'm not even going to ask you how you wound up here, but I'm glad to see you.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think it's true. Look, I'm not an expert. I've interviewed Putin. You know, I've been there a couple of times. I don't speak Russian, so I hope I don't get over my skis and pretend to know things that I don't. But what's very obvious is they have an interest and have for over 300 years in controlling Crimea, where their fleet is based. They had a referendum in Crimea.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
The people of Crimea are Russian and want to remain part of the Russian Federation. So he didn't take Crimea. It's Russian. It's filled with Russians. They had a referendum that nobody disputes. People should be allowed to choose their own government. That's the basic precept of democracy. But he didn't take Crimea. Okay. Should people be allowed to choose their own government? Yes. Okay.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So the people of Crimea voted overwhelmingly to align with the Russian government. So that's illegitimate. Why? When did they do that? Right after the coup in 15, I think.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why do you think so many Russians vote for Putin in Russia? I don't think it was invaded. Russia has controlled Crimea for 300 years.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Same way Russia... Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. So you're saying that the election was conducted under duress and... people's votes were known to the Russian government? I don't think that's true.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, that may or may not be true. I don't know, but the only measure we have of popular consent is an election. And when conducted by secret ballot, if we think it's not the 2020 election, it's kind of a legitimate election, that's what we go with. Have you ever met anybody who believes that
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If a free and fair referendum were held once again in Ukraine, that Ukraine would vote, I mean, rather than Crimeans would vote to align with the Zelenskyy government and Kip. I don't think so. It was 97%. Look, I'm just saying self-determination is the core idea in democracy. They don't have it in Ukraine because they haven't had an election.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They ignore the election because it's run by a dictator called Zelenskyy. If you wanted to say he's a dictator, that's fine. You support a dictator. The U.S., your government has supported many dictators. So has mine. That's kind of a fact of life. There are very few democratically elected leaders. Sometimes even our leaders aren't really democratically elected, as you know.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I just don't like the moral bullshit that attaches to all of this. That's fair enough. Where we tell the population, we're on the side of democracy, and he's Winston Churchill.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I guess you like dictators. I've never said of Putin, he's a marvelous person because it's a little dictator-y for me. I think he's really smart. I admire what he's done to Russia, but I'm not going to sniff his jock because he's kind of a dictator. But you're like, oh, I love that Zelensky. He's so great. I do like him. How can you like a man who's a dictator? I don't think he's a dictator.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
In what sense? He's not elected. He rules by force. He rules with guns. He kills his opponents. He's assassinated a ton of people, including, you know, I know someone he tried to assassinate, fact. How is that worth supporting? Do you feel a little guilty for supporting someone like that? No, I don't. Really? No, in fact, I think we should try and do more to help him win.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
How rich do you think he's gotten from this war? I have no idea. Does it bother you that he's gotten rich?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He's evil. We'll stick with that. But the question is, why would you support personally a dictator who's gotten rich on a war in his country, who bans a Christian denomination, and who murders his political opponents?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But can I ask you, when you talk to his wife, you say, why don't you have an election? Why don't you stop murdering your political opponents? Why don't you let people practice their Christian denomination? Why don't you let Russian speakers speak Russian and read Russian books? That's what non-dictators do. Did you say any of that to Putin? Of course not. Why not? Because I'm not his friend.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't have the relationship with Putin that you have with Zelensky. I didn't tweet after my interview. You're a very handsome man. I love you. I love you.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think you did.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Hot, hot is maybe what you said.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay. Well, you said I really admire you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because he's a personal friend of yours.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I read your Twitter feed.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You can't fool me, Piers Morgan.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
In fact, I'm pretty sure. I think he has been. OK, so I'm just asking, since I didn't call Putin a magnificent leader at all. But nor did you ask him any of the questions that you want me to ask. I didn't feel like I didn't want to do what everybody does, which is you're so bad, bad Vladimir Putin, meaning I'm so good. I'm going to give you a moral extra. I'm like, whatever. It's your country.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Country's actually doing great. I was super impressed by Moscow. I'd recommend it to everybody just because it's beautiful and orderly, which I like not moving there. They don't have freedom of speech, which is a prerequisite for me. But I didn't feel like that was my job. I just want to hear what the guy says. We're fighting a war against him, and no one's heard him speak. Why do you believe him?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't know that I do.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're fully all in on the Russian... Well, there's kind of no question about that. Well, there's a lot of questions about that. I don't really think so.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
An election is a poll. They're called polls. An election is a poll, a poll is not an election, right? So there are different criteria for polls. Well, a poll can be an election, yes. Now we're getting metaphysical. But I would just say, I would just say, if you believe in democracy, you believe in elections. If you have a leader who's not elected, he's not a democratic leader.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He's a dictator, which is OK. That's fine. It's a foreign country. I wouldn't call any dictator magnificent just because it seems a little. How could Zelensky have an election in the middle of a war out of interest? I don't know. How did how did Franklin Roosevelt do that in the second world war? How did he do that?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
We've both gone into the oil business. Yes. I never, yeah. So I want to ask you, I want to start just on a very hostile note, okay? Because I feel like that's a good way to frame it. Good, good. Let's start having me to continue. Zelensky is a hero. How could you say that?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, there are people- You've got half of Ukraine. There are people making billions of dollars in business in Kiev today. How about the non-occupied parts of the country? Just make a good faith effort to have an election. But he doesn't want to because I think he's pretty darn unpopular because he is a lackey of Western powers who sold his country out.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And Ukrainians know perfectly well that he's getting rich. And so is the entire leadership. I was in Courchevel, France two weeks ago. which is probably the richest town in Europe. It's a ski town in France near Geneva. And everybody at the Hermes store was Ukrainian, using my money to buy $100,000 handbags. Nobody seems to care about that. I care because that's not freedom fighting.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's grifting. That's theft. And everybody in Europe knows that. And you know that too. Go to Romania. All their high-end car dealerships are sold out because Ukrainians have bought the cars.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, as I've said, and I really mean it from my heart, I mean, I have no kind of, I'm not getting rich from this, so I'm saying what I sincerely believe. Which is pushing Ukraine to join NATO when NATO doesn't want Ukraine. There's no strategic reason, no actual reason to have Ukraine or to have NATO at all. We shouldn't have NATO at all.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What's the point of NATO? To keep peace. To keep the Soviets from invading Western Europe. Oh, well, it's been 35 years since they existed. To keep peace. How's that worked? To keep peace. We now have the bloodiest war in 80 years in the middle of Europe because of NATO.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's a super crazy. This is like an addiction. And I've been through addiction, so I'm not judging at all. But it's like, I feel really shitty. I've got to have a glass of vodka to feel better.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yes. But I'm also saying that I've lived this, so I know what it feels like. It's the thing that is killing you. It's truly killing you, whether it's NATO or vodka. You become convinced it's saving you. So you wake up hungover and you're like, oh, I feel so bad. Give me a screwdriver. And if you have a screwdriver, you feel better.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Here's what I know. For a fact, Putin said this for 20 years. Ukraine cannot be a member of NATO. They will not accept that anymore that we would accept Chinese missiles in Tijuana. Or you would accept Sri Lankan missiles in Glasgow.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Where were you when the Yugoslavia war was going on? And they were bombing the shit out of Christians in Yugoslavia. Do you remember that? Yes. That was pretty offensive.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Really?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Defensively? It was defensive. Oh, it was? Yes, it was. Who was the aggressor there?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Just admit it. Just admit it. What you're saying is insane.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Look... Just know, here's the point where you just admit defeat. Bow your head and be like, you know what? I bow before superior knowledge. I totally got this wrong. I can't believe I had such a silly idea.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm just saying that was not a defensive action. That was an offensive action. Bill Clinton's like, I don't like what you're doing. I'm going to use NATO to kill you. And he did, and then created Kosovo as a NATO base. Because they were absolute genocidal maniacs.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You can say it all you want. Just like you can say Zelensky's a beacon of democracy when he's not elected and he's banning parts of Christianity, but he's a dictator. So just to be clear. And it's better just to be honest about what things are.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So I try and deal, especially as I get older, in the world of reality and achievable goals. And here's the reality. Russia is a nuclear-armed power. It's the largest country on Earth by landmass. It's also the remnants of a global empire. So they have a sense of themselves as a global player, and they are because of energy. And resources in general, uranium.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, they have a lot of resources the world needs. So they're a real country. They're not Afghanistan. You can't just tell them what to do. Get in line, bitch. They're not going to accept that. OK, so they have said since the fall of the Soviet Union, you cannot have NATO on our border because it's a critical national interest of ours.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So unless you want to risk nuclear war, which we are now doing, you can't move NATO to their border whether you want to or not. That's just a fact. And if you do, you're going to get a war. We've known that since the fall of the Soviet Union. We promised not to do it. And we tried to bring – he asked to be in NATO in 2000. He asked George W. Bush to be in NATO. Nobody can test that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
This evil dictator who wants to invade Liechtenstein asked to be in NATO. Why wouldn't we let him in NATO? Why did Condi Rice say, well, it can't be in NATO? Why do we have morons like Condi Rice in our US government? I don't know.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
all the mirrors now look not really okay we're in a very clear moral we moral moment in history where vladimir putin invades ukraine it is a european country and we side with it has been independent assassinating people yeah but what do you do there's nothing moral about this look in the real world we do things we can't achieve and if we can't achieve something we don't try and do it because millions will die as we're watching what do you what do you let him do that
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you start with a realistic understanding of the limits of your power, which is all adults have to do. My neighbors may offend me. I want them to turn down the music. I can't just go over there and shoot them. I just can't. It's against the law, and I'll pay a penalty if I do that. So I have to negotiate with them. Will you please turn down the music? Shut up. No, please do it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So like an unelected leader would be a dictator?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If they won't, I maybe threaten them. I live in the material real world.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You have to decide, is it worth it? Is it worth it?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
A million Ukrainians are going to die. Their farmland is going to be sold to BlackRock. The Ukrainian nation will cease to exist. They'll flood it with third worlders.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What would I do? I would say, like, if I took over the government in January of 2022 and we're on the verge of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, I would say, guys, it's not worth trying to impose something that this country will never accept because if we try to do that, we'll get a war.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because you're gambling with the other people's lives. By the way, if... a million Brits had died, you might have a different perspective. But it's very easy to be like, oh, more Ukrainians should die for the cause of democracy.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I'm not that interested, actually. Are you not? Not really. It's not my country. I'm interested in my leaders, whether they have the consent of their people. It's not of great interest to me. I do think Putin's way more popular than Joe Biden. To his people? Yes. More popular in Russia than Biden was ever popular. I wouldn't dispute that. Why are you so against Zelenskyy?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
My question is... They just got invaded over the last 40 years and did nothing. So I don't think so. I don't think you would do that. I think you'd be like, we can't fight back because we have nuclear weapons, but no real military. So we'd like to negotiate just like all conquered nations do. They negotiate on the basis of reality.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If I were in charge then? Yes. If I had come in, if I came in in January of 2022, I would say to the State Department, I would say to the NATO...
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
At that point, I'm cleaning up a mess caused by the previous administration.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Let's say I'm Donald Trump, who's actually coming in in that exact circumstance.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I mean, if your lodestar is whether other people win, you will lose. That's a shitty way to go through life. If I'm trying to prevent you a win, no, I'm trying to win. I'm trying to win for my wife, my children, my neighborhood, my country. I don't care whether you win or not. Once he's invaded, what do you do? Your victory has nothing to do with anything. What I care about is my victory.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're in this as much as we are. No, no, no. I care about my country and whether we win, which is good for us, because I'm in charge of my country. This is theoretical. I'm in charge of nothing.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
This whole thing has been a disaster. We're going to lose the U.S. dollar over this, okay? Because we followed the advice of people like Boris Johnson, who have no skin in the game whatsoever, but they get to feel like a moral charge, be like, we're on the side of democracy. Okay. It's so infuriating to me. I'm sorry to be so mean to the Brits because it's our fault too. We can take it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
In fact, we started this.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'd call Putin. Let him take. Yes. Let him take. To what extent can you clean it up? You call Putin and you say, all right, this happened. First thing we're going to do is recognize it's not in our interest, your interest, the world's interest to have NATO missiles on your border. We don't want that. There's no reason to want that because we don't want to drive you into the arms of China.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You are really part of Europe, and you should be part of the West because the West is a Christian world that has a lot in common culturally, religiously, linguistically, historically, and we want to be a block against the rising East, obviously.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If you're the leader of the United States, your number one goal is to keep Russia, the world's largest land mass, with some of the world's deepest energy reserves, from aligning with China, which has too many people, not enough land, and not enough energy. So if they get together, they create a bloc that is bigger than you economically and militarily. So you cannot let that happen.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's number one goal. You cannot let that happen. And that retard in charge of our country just allowed that to happen because he hates the United States and acted against its interests consistently from day one, 2020 to January 20th. 2025 when he left, thank God. So that's the goal. Do not allow, to the extent you can control it, do not allow Russia to align meaningfully with China.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They have much more in common with us. They're part of Europe. You guys don't want to admit that, but they are.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You're not being pedantic. What do you let Putin take? I don't care. What I care about. You don't care? I care, but what I care about is the balance of power in the world. And if the West finds itself in a place where it's got a much smaller collective economy and a much less powerful collective military than the East, then we're in serious trouble. There's no balance in the world.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
The Chinese are in charge of everything. And so you can't let that happen.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Roll over? It's all this like dick measuring contest.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I'm just trying to understand when you dismiss Putin as a dictator, which is totally fair, I guess, but I'm just trying to understand what you mean by dictator. So the first criterion for dictatorship is that you're not elected. And what else? Because Zelensky's obviously not elected either. Yeah. So I'm just trying to kind of figure out what you're talking about.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You'd be happy for them to take back Taiwan? Of course I'm not happy. I'm not happy with any conflict ever. I hate violence. I'm a Christian. I'm just saying that great countries have spheres of influence. So Saudi Arabia, where we are now, everyone's like, oh, the Saudis are interfering in Yemen. Well, Yemen's right there. It's in their world.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They have an absolute interest in making sure that nothing crazy goes on in Yemen. We have the same interest in Mexico and in Canada. And we have some crazy cross-dressing prime minister in Canada. So we kick them out because they're on our border. That's what great powers do. That's what they've always done. That's what they always will do.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So it's totally fair for us to recognize that the countries around Russia, no, we shouldn't be invading or torturing them or oppressing them, of course. But that's their sphere. And big picture, holy smokes, you do not want the two largest powers in the world, apart from the United States, to get together and align against us.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, I support Israel in the sense that I really like Israel. I brought my family on vacation to Israel.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
To the extent that it helps the United States, I'm for it, of course.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, I... Your principle, it doesn't really apply in Israel. I'll articulate it for the third time, just to be totally clear. I believe the United States, like every country, should, to the extent that it can, act on behalf of its own people and their perceived interests. We can debate what those interests are. But that doesn't apply in Israel. I don't know what you mean.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
America's supporting Israel because it's an ally. I don't even know what those words mean. I'm just saying my principle is- Well, they're an ally, right?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's not what it means to be an ally.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I have no greater allies than my own children. When they come to me and say, I want to do this, I assess whether it's good for them or not. And if I don't think it is, I don't support it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because they're my true allies. They're my children.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Just because a country that's your ally says, I want to do this, does not mean axiomatically you support it. Maybe it's not good for you or me.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It depends.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It depends in all cases. It's not just about Israel.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I have a simple solution. Let me explain what I think. And then that way we'll get right to what I think. Am I wrong? I actually tuned out midway through. I'm not exactly sure what you said. You can't tune out when I'm right. I did, I did, I did. Just because I'm right, you can't tune out. You can't tune out when I'm right. No, but it was more a lecture about what I think.
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And then I'm like, wait, I know what I think. I think I'm the world's expert on what I think. In fact, I think I'm the uncontested premier of my own head.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So I'm going to unload its contents on you right now.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'll define the parameters as well, because I'm happier with that. I would say I support the right of all sovereign nations to act within what they believe is their own interest. We don't always know our own interest in our personal lives or between nations. We think it's good for us, but it may not be. The vodka in the morning analogy. Not good, actually, but I thought it was.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Now I know it's not. But to the extent that we think we know, I think countries should act on behalf of their own citizens. That's the basic idea in democracy, okay? And you could make a case that whatever we're giving to Israel this year in the form of direct aid, military assistance, loan guarantees, however we're doing it, is good for the United States. I think you just have to make that case.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why is it good for the United States? You could make that case. But why is it? I'm not convinced. What is the case? Well, I don't know. You'd have to be an advocate for it. You are a vociferous advocate for it. So why don't you tell me? For what? For USAID to Israel in the current conflict.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Not at all.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't know why. What problem do you have with Israel, Piers? I have no problem with Israel. The press are like this. They secretly hate Israel. I have no problem with Israel whatsoever.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You hate Israel.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Hang on. Hang on.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Should I be platforming you? That's my question.
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We're losing the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency because of this war.
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Hold on. I just want to know what a dictator is. I just want to know. I mean, maybe he's a better guy than Putin or whatever. And you could say some things about one or nothing. But if we're just going to define dictator, the first feature of a dictator is he's not elected. So Zelensky's not elected. He's also, well, he's banned a religious denomination. He's murdered his political opponents.
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If I've been a great advocate for the war it goes in, I missed that part of the conversation.
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You don't support America supporting Ukraine. I don't support America supporting any nation on the planet to its own detriment. Every element of our foreign policy should serve the United States. That's the point of our government is to serve the people who live there called citizens. That's what democracy is. There's no other reason.
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So if I'm in charge of a country and I decide, actually, I should do this because people who pay me want me to do it or I'm making money to do it, then I'm by definition illegitimate. That's not democracy. That is a species of oligarchy or whatever. You could assign a name to it. That's not democracy.
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So I just believe in our system and our leaders should act on behalf of their own people or what they think is their own people's interests. And I would apply that to Israel. I'd apply it to Ukraine. I think there have certainly been times where we have benefited from our alliance with Israel. You know, it's an alliance, just like we have an alliance. They are allies then.
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I don't know what ally means. It's short for alliance. Yeah, you're right, it is. It's so funny, I never knew that. I've got you. You've got me. You've literally just... When it comes to etymology, you are the unchallenged king. Boom!
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I was about to say, you guys invented the language. You know what?
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These are all our words. We gave them to you.
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He has banned a language group. Those all seem like features of dictatorship to me. Now, he has the support of the British intelligence agencies. That doesn't mean he's not a dictator, though. That sounds like a dictator. I mean, if I gave you a piece of paper and I'm like, here are some qualities of a European leader, you would say, well, that guy, that's not legitimate. That guy's a dictator.
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But do you think it should be the policy of the UK government, the US government? Because it is now the policy to kill Putin.
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So you're not calling for the assassination of Netanyahu or Putin? No, no, no. Do you think that if Putin were to leave, either by force or choice, that Russia would have a more pro-Western leader?
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Okay. Highly unlikely. Highly unlikely. I think that's a fair assessment. Then why would you want, since there's no evidence that the majority of Russians don't want Putin, there's overwhelming evidence that they do want Putin, so he appears to be the choice of his own country, which you may not like or whatever, but it seems true.
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and he's the most pro-Western leader we're likely to get in our lifetimes, then why are we against Putin exactly?
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I think it's hilarious when you make reference to what's legal in the middle of a war when your country and mine blew up Nord Stream and destroyed the Western European economy.
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I supported the invasion of Iraq. That was illegal too. And I've apologized for 22 years, but I want to do something again. You said that was illegal? I don't even know what that means. Breaking the law. What law? Against international law.
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It's wrong. Lawful. What law? Are there international policemen? Who are they? What are you even talking about? Well, you don't think they're international laws? No, I think they're moral laws, and that's what I care about. Certain things are wrong, regardless of what the leadership of any country says. You don't believe that. You believe there are actual laws. It's not international laws.
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There are no international laws. Really? Are there international police? Are there international courts?
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Really? So who's punished in international courts? Other than Milosevic.
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I believe in the ideas behind the Geneva Convention, absolutely. But it's universally disregarded, including by your country, which I think has bioweapons, by the way. You should get on that, find out. Those are prohibited, but I think you guys have them.
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But you know that it is true. I don't, actually. I think you should find out. I'll look into it. I mean, there are biolabs in Ukraine. What are biolabs doing in Ukraine, do you think? Are you comfortable with that? No, it wouldn't be if they're there. But you said Zelensky was a fabulous leader. Why would he have bio labs? I like him personally. The dictator with bio weapons. I'm not into it.
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I'm sorry. I'm just, I guess that it would be, it's against international law. So I'm opposed. No, look, I'm just saying international law is a theoretical concept and it's literally theoretical because it's not enforceable. And we know that because it's not enforced. So what matters is what's the interest of your country and what's right and wrong. And I'm a Christian.
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I can't support that. But his name's Zelensky, and he was once a comedian, and he does my show, so he's not a dictator. I think it's a dictator.
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So that's pretty clear for me. All this shit is wrong. It's completely wrong. It's wrong to send cluster bombs to Ukraine, which you supported. I'm totally opposed to that. Cluster bombs to kill more kids? Like, why? That's wrong. I don't care if international law says it's wrong. That's irrelevant.
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You know, this is what we refer to in the business as a theoretical assertion. Not really. It's literally theoretical.
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Why drop it on Japan's Christian population? Is there some reason Hiroshima wasn't enough? No, because they wanted to test a different variety of atomic weapon. So, like, I'm against that. I'm against killing civilians. I'm against firebombing cities. I'm against bioweapons. I'm against chemical weapons. What weapons do you support? I guess conventional weapons.
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You know, I'm... Well, how big a bomb do you support?
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I mean, I think you can say... I mean, there are...
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It's no defense of Imperial Japan or Pearl Harbor or Franklin Roosevelt for allowing Pearl Harbor, which he did. It's not a defense of any of that to say if you're intentionally killing civilians, you probably shouldn't beat your chest and brag about it. Maybe you can make the case. I agree with that. Maybe you make the case that we had to do it or whatever, but you should... I agree.
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You should weep. And that's evil. And you should just say it's evil. And I know it's really threatening to... Is it evil? Ben Shapiro to say that or whatever. Is it evil? To kill civilians on purpose? Yeah, it is. I think it is. Really? Kids and children. Well, how is it not, actually? In a war? Well, you can call it whatever you want. How is it right to kill women and children?
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I mean, I think it's pretty hard to justify... I mean, yeah, I'm sure... Any war? You know, a pure defensive action, sure. But all I'm saying, look, it's all ugly. It's all hard to stomach. I've actually seen some of it up close. It's super ugly. You can say you hate it. The fact you quibble with it being morally justified.
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To intentionally kill noncombatants, women and children, I think we can say that's wrong. In fact, I thought that was the thing we were fighting against. And censorship and dictatorship, people ruling without being elected, people using force to get their will. Like, I thought that was the whole thing we were fighting against. So how about we don't become that?
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And I'm just saying all kinds of decisions are made under duress. I have made decisions under duress, foolishly, that I'm ashamed of, including supporting the Iraq war. But why are we defending it? I just don't understand that. And we're defending it, of course, because we're still doing it. And a lot of people are getting rich, and a lot of people find meaning in their otherwise barren lives.
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Rather than raising decent children, having a productive life, making something, they exist to destroy. I just think that's evil.
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I'm not implying it. I never imply anything. I just say things.
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Implying things is for girls. I'm just telling you what I think.
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Right. You're arguing against a construct that you created in order to argue against. Not really. I'm being super straightforward.
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Go on. Let me finish. I'm saying when you intentionally kill women and children, when you wage war through fear by murdering the civilian population, I don't think that's a good thing, and I don't think you should be defending it, and I don't know why it's such a threat to say that out loud.
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Well, first of all, the country had a coup sponsored by the United States government, the CIA, in 2014. So everything that happened subsequent to that, I don't think we could call part of the democratic process. But just Zelensky personally is not elected. He's not an elected leader. He rules by force. There's no election that gives him legitimacy. So that's not a defense of Putin.
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If you're firebombing someone's city, as we did Tokyo, as you guys did Dresden, and a lot of other cities, by the way, in both of those countries, if you're dropping atomic weapons in the middle of town on a Catholic church, I don't know why you have to look back 80 years later and be like, that was a great thing. It wasn't a great thing. It was a shameful thing.
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And we should be better than that because we're not savages, because we're Christians.
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Okay, apparently you don't.
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They're nihilistic. I'm not defending the murder of any eight-year-olds. What you're doing is expressing a species of nihilism. The whole point is we are better than you because we have limits. There are some things—I'm not going to rape your wife. I'm just not. How do you stop— Hold on. Let me finish. I am not going to behave like an animal. You are. That's why we're at war.
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You bombed preemptively my Pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor. We weren't even at war. Why did you do that? That's outrageous. We're going to punish you for doing it. I get it. But we're not like you. Not punish, defend. Of course, we're not defending. There was no threat of invasion. If you're the United States, I mean, you live in a tiny island nation. I think there was a real threat.
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It was an attack on our fleet. It's a mass attack on America. I'm not defending Pearl Harbor. I don't think Roosevelt should have let it happen, which he did. But once it happened, what do you do? You attack them back. I get it. So you agree? Okay, but hold on. There are finer distinctions here. Really? You'd attack them back? Let me finish my fucking sentence.
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Yes, it was morally defensible to attack them back. Thank you. Thank you. You agree with me? But it depends what attack means. You agree with me?
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You didn't qualify. You didn't qualify. You say it's okay to molest children. Why do you say that? You're like, I didn't say that. No, you just said it's okay to molest children.
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It's like hilarious. America. You said America attacking. They're like, they end the interview and they're like, what just happened? Actually, you'll be saying that. He just told me what I believe, and then he attacked me for believing it. It's so hilarious. I love that. It's like a species of masturbation. Like, you don't need another person present.
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Okay, let me just say. You don't ever want to wind up in a place where you're defending the killing of children. You just don't.
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Yes, I do believe... Can I ask you just, since we're still on Hiroshima and Nagasaki... Hard to say to make the case for Nagasaki, but whatever. Why not, if you have this fantastic new weapon and you want to prevent, somehow you're required to invade Japan. Like, I don't know why we'd be required to invade Japan, by the way. Like, no one ever answers that question. They just attack you?
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no, they attacked us four years earlier and we've now beaten them and driven them out of the Philippines and Malaysia and all this stuff. We've won. Why do we have to invade mainland Japan? No one ever answers that question. We just kind of have to because we have to. Okay, I'm not second-guessing the military leadership of the Second World War, but I am second-guessing this.
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Why wouldn't you bomb just military installations? Why drop these bombs in the middle of a city When you know that overwhelmingly the incinerated people will be civilians. Like, why would you do that? I would not do that. I would say, I have the bomb, okay. We're going to drop it on, you know, critical military infrastructure, arms manufacturing plants, on, you know, a fleet.
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It's merely an attack on the idea that Putin's the only dictator in this contest. How is Zelensky not a dictator? Do you think Putin's a dictator? I guess, yeah. I mean, I guess. I mean, if I stand up outside the Kremlin and say, down with Vladimir Putin, I'm probably in trouble. That's why I don't live in Russia. Right.
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Why would you drop it?
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Japan, in the summer of 1945, was in no position to kill any American civilians. Period. So I think they floated a couple of firebombs over Oregon three years before. But the point is, look, I don't want to, I understand, you know, people do their best under pressure. They make mistakes. I've made a million of them. I'm not judging even Harry Truman, who I do think was kind of a pig, but whatever.
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I'm not even judging. Maybe we would have done the same thing. I'm just saying 80 years later, why defend that? What's the point? I think it was morally justified. To kill 200,000 civilians? Yeah. So then we wouldn't have to invade, which we didn't have to anyway.
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Because they refused to surrender. Okay, but we'd kicked them out of all of their colonies. We'd driven them back to their island. You don't dispute dropping those bombs at the end of the war, do you? Well, I am disputing it. That's what I'm doing right now. You did end the war. Oh, disputing that it ended the war. Sure, of course. So the means and effect were correct.
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I'm also not disputing that bringing down the Twin Towers changed the United States. Like, if you commit enough killing, you will change people's behavior, including getting them to surrender. My only question is, is it worth it? And what are you becoming when you participate in it? I think that's a meaningful question that nobody addresses. Who am I? I'm a decent person. I am...
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I'm an imperfect person. This is how Americans, I think, should think of themselves and mostly do. But I'm also representative of an enlightened country, product of an enlightened civilization called Western civilization. And there are certain things I will not do, even if they benefit me. I'm not doing that because I'm not that guy. I don't kill children. I don't rape women.
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I don't send women into battle to defend me. which I guess we now do. That's wrong.
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That is a calculation that Israel has to make. I don't want to have anything to do with that. You have no view? No view? It's hard to take a lecture from someone who just admitted that he hates Israel in every fiber of his body. I never said that. You said that. Now you're distracting. No, no. I'm not distracting. You're the one who said that. You're now distracting.
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You said, I hate Benjamin Netanyahu.
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He shouldn't be leader. With an irrational hatred that, you know, I don't know where it comes from. I can't account for what's in your soul. I don't have an x-ray into what's deep inside you. But all you said was, I hate him.
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No, no, but is Zelensky legitimate? How is he legitimate if he's not elected? How could you support an unelected leader? Well, he's the president of a country. Well, he calls himself that, but there's no election that made him president. He blew past the election and said, oh, there's a war. We can't have an election. We're going to change the Constitution. So how is that a legitimate leader?
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My criteria apply solely—and this is a thread of consistency throughout my arguments here and everywhere for the last 20 years— They have to with the behavior of the United States, which is my country. And it's been my family's country for hundreds of years. I pay my full taxes. I feel very vested. I'm a shareholder in my country. So its behavior matters greatly to me.
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I'm implicated in its behavior. And I don't want the United States to participate in things that are counter to its interests or counter to the values of Western civilization. That's really simple. So other countries do all kinds of abominable things, including cannibalism, a lot, actually, and human sacrifice, a lot, actually, And, you know, OK, they're not my country.
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So I don't want the United States involved in anything that's morally indefensible or counter to its own interests. Period.
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I'll tell you what I think.
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I'm in the process of telling you. Go on, then. Stand back. Let the flower bloom. Okay? Stop tending the garden, Pierce. I hate the fact that civilians are killed with American weapons. I hate it. I hate it in Ukraine. I hate it in Gaza. I hate it in the occupied territories, wherever we're calling them these days.
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I think in the specific case of Israel, we have been closely allied with the Israeli government, you know, since the 1950s. We're actually instrumental in the creation of Israel, so since the late 40s. And I think that there are times when our interests have aligned, and there are times, the transfer of military technology to China being one of them, where those interests diverge.
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I would very much appreciate an environment in the United States where Americans could speak openly about what their money is doing in a bunch of different foreign countries, including that one.
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And I think that we should reassess all our relationships, all our alliances with our allies on the basis of whether or not it's good for the United States on a bunch of different levels, economically, whether it's good for our internal politics, whether it's good for our power abroad, et cetera, et cetera.
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And yes, more than... I really think that we need a much more honest conversation about our relationship with Israel. And I feel, if I can just say one thing and brag... I feel like I'm one of the only people in the United States who's not emotional on the topic. Everyone's so emotional about it. They hate Israel. They love Israel. It's like, I'm American, okay? I like Israel.
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How could you support something like that? That seems, I don't know, like a dictatorship.
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I don't love any country other than my own. And I think we should have a rational conversation about this. And at this point, as you well know, we don't. So that's my actual position.
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In general, your relationships with your neighbors are your problem. In my home, my neighbors, I own my house. I can't leave. But it's also an American problem because American military is being used. No, but you make calculations about your behavior based on what you can achieve based on what you think your interests are. And that's true at the homeowner level and it's true at the nation level.
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So you deal with your neighbors and that's your problem. And if you're in a fight with your neighbors, it's up to you to resolve it. It's not my problem. I do not have to resolve your disputes with your neighbors. And that is true of Ukraine and it's true of Israel. I'm sorry. I wish you well. I may have, you know, obviously I like Israel because I like going there.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I know Israelis and I really like them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So this is why we support Stalin against Hitler, because Hitler's bad, so Stalin must be good, but no, Stalin's also a dictator. So how about we just don't support dictators if we're against supporting dictators?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Oh, it's the best. I mean, to visit, it's the best.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I like Palestinian people too that I've met. I do too. And there are a lot of Christians. The one thing, I'll just be honest, since you're pushing me on this, that makes me a little bit emotional is there are a lot of Christians, Christian Arabs. And having traveled a lot, I can say just as a matter of personal preference, I really like them.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I've never met a Christian Arab that I didn't like, actually. I think they're really amazing people. And a lot of them have been killed or mistreated with American money and weapons. And I think it's disgusting. And I think it's especially disgusting that Christian leaders in the United States have said nothing because they're bullied and bought off.
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And I think they should feel shame because they've dodged their duty, which is to speak up on behalf of their brothers in Christ. And they haven't. And there are Christians in Gaza who were killed. There are a ton in the West Bank. And by the way, that's the cradle of Christianity. Where's the Church of the Nativity? It's in Bethlehem.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yeah, that's the Pope thing. I'm not getting involved. I'm not a Catholic. Sorry. You're going to have to deal with them. It's your pope, not mine. So we were in a meeting here at TCN the other day and I looked around the room and every other person had a kind of ruddy vitality. Pink cheeks, alertness, bright eyes, full mental acuity and a cheerfulness you could almost smell.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And I asked, why does everyone look so good? And part of the answer, of course, is they like what we do for a living. It's really interesting. We think it's important. But another reason everyone looks so good is because they'd all had a great night's sleep. I'm not making this up. Almost everybody here uses a new sleep technology from a company called Eight Sleep.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They sent it to us, and everyone here loves it. It's called the Pod. It's a high-tech mattress cover, effectively, that you add to your existing bed. You don't need a new bed or anything like that. You just throw this over what you have. What it does is adjust the temperature of your bed, warmer or cooler, depending on what you want. And it maintains an ideal sleeping environment all night long.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Or you could take my position, which is I don't want a dictatorship in my own country because I live in a free country, but we're going to have relations with the country that helps us most, up to a certain limit. We're not going to be allies with Stalin because that's too evil. We're not Winston Churchill or FDR or something. We're not going to go that far.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Again, that's 8sleep.com slash Tucker. Better sleep today and look great in your morning meetings as our guys do. No, but in general, I'm speaking about the United States, Protestants in the United States, that's the world that I'm from that I understand.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They have an obligation to stand up for their brother Christians around the world, and they don't in this specific case because they're intimidated. And I think that's really shameful, and I think they should feel shame for it. It's not a political question. It's not, do you hate Israel? It's like, I don't hate Israel.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Anybody who murders Christians, defenseless Christians, the religion of peace, the actual religion of peace, I'm opposed to that, and we should just say that. That's not controversial. It should not be controversial. And it just shows how totally afraid and lacking self-confidence Christians are to just say, like, I'm sorry. I'm not, like, attacking me, but I'm opposed to that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You can't use my money to kill Christians. Blow up a church. No. Or to storm the Church of the Nativity. That's my religion. No. You don't get a dollar if you do that. And by the way, we're not giving you any money until you promise to treat Christians well. as equals. You know what I mean? That's how I personally feel, and I think all Christians should feel that way. It's not attacking anybody.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It's just a baseline demand of, like, dignity and respect, and they don't get it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But in general, we will deal with countries that help us. But when we start having moral conversations about other countries, then we have to stick by our own standards. And by your standard, you're supporting a dictator. I wonder how you can do that, Piers Morgan.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yeah.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I didn't tweet out, I love you, Vladimir Putin. You didn't need to. You look great in yoga.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But I didn't say it on Twitter.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't give a shit what people think. But I didn't tweet, Vladimir Putin, you're fabulous.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I didn't need to. Body language said it for you. Start humping his leg in the interview? No. Anyway. No, I'm against dictatorship. And I don't want to send money to dictators. Does it bother you that your tax dollars go to a dictator?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
If your prime minister decided not to have another election... Zelensky had literally been leader for what, two years?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think Putin has been in 24. 24? I'm not defending Putin. I'm just saying, like, all dictatorship is bad. Like, a little dollop of dictatorship is as bad as a mouthful of dictatorship. I'm just against dictatorship. I'm for democracy. Inspiring, passionate, determined, and resolute. That's what you called Zelensky.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Inspiring, passionate, determined, and resolute. And very handsome, though. That's implied. I would agree with all of those things. He would. Yes.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
When he assassinates his political opponents or when he steals USAID or he allows his generals to sell half the missiles they get from the United States to the Mexican drug cartels and Iran and everyone else in the black market, is that inspiring?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay. You say they're facts, but other people dispute them. Who disputes that they're selling weapons in Ukraine on the black market? I don't think anyone disputes that. I'm sure that's happening. Oh, it's happening. Yeah. Who disputes that Zelensky's murdered his political opponents? No one. Has he? You think he personally has ordered the murders? Well, he's in charge of the country.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But how is he not a dictator?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Do you think he has? He's the dictator. You just said he did.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Oh, yeah. No, I think there's a long history of that in the region, poisoning your enemies. Putin has done that. It seems clear to me. I'm not sending him money. I'm not calling him passionate, determined, resolute, and handsome.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Let me ask you a really easy question. Now that you have been, like me, fired from your cushy mainstream media gig... How much happier are you and why? And looking back at the television networks and newspapers, how many newspapers do you work for? I ran two of the big ones in the UK. Yeah, right. But over your whole career, how many did you work for? I worked for three, four actually.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, right. So you've been at every stage of British media. Looking back, how do you feel about them?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, sure. But I meant all true. Totally true. But I'm really asking about the honesty level. Yeah. So now you have a gig where you can say whatever you want. You're your own boss. You can make a real living. I have no idea how you're doing, but given your numbers are huge. So I bet you you're probably making more than you made before in that range anyway.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So it's all great, but the greatest part is you can say exactly what you want. How would you compare that to your previous case?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Okay, that's a totally fair position. I mean, I guess I disagree, sort of, but I don't think what you're saying is crazy at all. How is that more illegal than running a country without an election and banning a religious denomination? I don't understand that. So yeah, you could certainly say Putin did a lot of bad things. I would readily agree to that to the extent I understand it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They're like compulsive liars.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think we are politically aligned. I think... We are in many ways. You do own guns. I know that you do. I know that you do. And I know that you think this whole Ukraine thing is insane.
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I know that you do. I can see it in your eyes. Like, how do I get out of this?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Not all use of guns is equal, right? Some is counterproductive.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, you didn't. We did. I mean, it's measurable. How many people got stabbed in London in 1970 or shot compared to now? Sure, but there are... It's a massive increase because the people, the attitudes of the people... the actions of the people are totally different. You've got different people and different behaviors. And like, you can't admit that because I'm not sure why.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I do think immigration has changed your country for the much, much worse. Well, it certainly changed the country. Much worse. That's my opinion. But it's not just immigrants who are behaving badly at all. There are a lot of native-born indigenous Brits who are behaving badly. That is totally true.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And there are a lot of immigrants in your country who are kind of superior, actually, if we're being totally honest, who are really impressive. Yeah. I'm not making a blatant statement. I'm just saying that the behavior has changed of the people who live there, right? You can't be trusted with guns now because you're out of control.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But we're supporting, my government and your government particularly, are supporting this dictator in Ukraine who's oppressing Christians, who is banning people's native language and books in their native language. He's a book burner! And like, that's totally cool because we hate Putin. That's not totally cool. So would you just let Putin take Ukraine?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So you're afraid of your government, which doesn't trust you because it's a dictatorship.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, you ban SSRIs immediately. Immediately. You ban? SSRIs. You ban whole categories. The medication. Psychoactive. Absolutely. Like immediately. Yeah. I mean, the truth is that drugs and alcohol drive a lot of our social ills. A lot of them. And when people are sober, and I would say, if you're on Xanax or Prozac, you're not sober. Right. I agree. Right.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But certainly alcohol and meth, you know, most of our social problems are either caused or exacerbated by alcohol. by the drugs that people take. That's just a fact. And mass shootings are definitely in that category. So, look, as you found out, your knife crime has just exponentially jumped recently. And that's not because there are more knives.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
People use them at dinner every night and have for hundreds of years, since the Roman times, they've used knives and not stabbed each other. It's because people are behaving differently. Why is that? I must say, all the gun control people who want to send all the guns to Ukraine so they can go...
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
kill other eastern europeans it's like it's sort of weird do you think that's weird no one thing is weird about the question i asked you is simply that if i was an american there's a lot of gun crime in ukraine are you adding to that well it's a war it's a different thing it's gun crime i call gun crime people getting killed you think ukraine defending itself is a crime i think there are a lot of people getting killed with guns and i think it's really sad and we should disarm ukraine really
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, sure, people are getting killed with guns. They shouldn't have. There should be strict controls on guns in Ukraine. Automatic weapons. You guys are sending automatic weapons to Ukraine to kill other human beings. I just think that I'm just not comfortable with that morally. I see what you're doing, Tucker.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because we're free.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Because we're free, because no one can tell us. We can't defend ourselves.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And then you guys, after the Second World War, which was like a liberation war, and you won, you lost all your freedom. And now you can't even express your political opinions or they put you in jail. So like, how did you win? How did you win? Is that what victory looks like? You lose all your rights. Your economy gets destroyed. You get robbed by bankers. And all of a sudden, oh, I won.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm as free as you could possibly want a human being to be. You can't defend yourself. You can't control who comes into your country. And you can't criticize government policies or you get arrested. So how are you free? You're a slave, aren't you? No. Really? How free are you? We have cultural problems in our country.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I would say let's have an election in Ukraine and let the Ukrainian people elect their own leader and get rid of the midget dictator who now oppresses them, Zelensky. And I would definitely not support a guy who's not elected as a democratic figure because by definition, he's not. By definition. I don't care who his enemies are. He's not worth calling president.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Could you go on Facebook right now and say, I don't want any more immigrants in my country. They're making it worse.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Maybe he doesn't want asylum seekers in his country. I mean, is that okay?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
How is that caring and compassionate? Your native population is in massive decline.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
We're very compassionate. We do have a lot of stabbings. Fine.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You didn't have, like, really any stabbings 20 years ago. Now you've got a ton of stabbings, but everything's totally fine, and if you complain about it, you're going to jail.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
All free people have a right to defend themselves. Bare arms? Of course.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
In the United States, which is governed by a system we inherited with great gratitude from you, from the English, a person has a... right, which is we believe God-given, it's inherent, we were born with it because we're not slaves, we're free people, to say what he thinks is true, period. Period. And government has to not only not infringe on that right, but protect it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It exists to protect that right. Your system is a little different. We took it a little farther and enshrined that in our Bill of Rights, which unfortunately you don't have. I bet you wish you did. But... From an American perspective, the idea that you would ever punish someone for talking... But that wasn't why that guy was punished. That may be right. I would not contest that. It is right.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He was literally inciting a riot. But you would also not contest that there are hundreds of people who have gone to jail in the last five years in the UK for expressing opinions. That is a fact.
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I don't think they were charged with that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
He defamed?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
How many of your leaders have gone to jail for lying? What? How many of your leaders have gone to jail for lying? They lie constantly. Not enough. Not enough. Right around zero, actually. But they throw powerless people in jail for saying things they don't like.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
a beacon of democracy if he doesn't even have it? Why not have an election in Ukraine today? Because we've got a war. We had elections in our country during the Second World War. So did you. Like, why not hold him to democratic standards? I've got no problem with saying he should have an election. What about banning a Christian denomination? Yeah, I don't agree with any of those things.
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Go and check it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm just pausing because I don't know if that's true. It is true. I think I would be opposed to that. It is true. Do people go to jail in the United States for defamation? Yep. Oh, they face civil judgment.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
People have gone to jail. I think you're making this up out of nothing. No, I'm not. Go and check it. Oh, let me check with an actual American. You're an American, right? This is my college roommate. Oh, he was born in the UK. But this is my college roommate. He's an attorney.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm unpleased, obviously, but... I think I'm going to dismiss that as absurd. I've never... No, no, no, I'll take the fifth. But the point is, you should never allow anybody in your country to go to jail for having unpopular opinions.
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The Criminal Prosecution Service, CPS, shared a video on X warning people about using social media. And it stated this, and I'm quoting. I can't do the English accent, but this is what they said. Try it. Think before you post! Exclamation point. Content that incites violence or hatred isn't just harmful, it can be illegal. Paging George Orwell.
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The CPS takes online violence seriously and will prosecute when the legal test is met. Remind those close to you to share responsibility or face the consequences. That's just like North Korea at that point. You're inciting hatred? If you're inciting violence against people.
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No, that's directing violence. Inciting violence. Well, that's the same thing. No, it's not the same. It's not the same. So if I say, peers, I want you to go... Go and beat up Alex. Right. That's inciting and directing violence. It's the same thing. You could say... Same thing. It's not the same. What's the difference? Hold on. I'll tell you what the difference is.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Your government is saying that some opinions are so inflammatory that they inspire people to commit acts of violence.
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Okay. That is a definition that justifies censorship.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
How do you measure hatred? Do you have a hatred meter? Me? Does UK government? I mean, you're defending it. No, I'm not defending.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But if I say something that the government doesn't like, and this is, of course, it's all self-preservation here. They're not. No one is ever penalized for attacking. If you get up and you say, I hate Vladimir Putin and all Russians. Mm-hmm. You're not going to go to jail in the UK for that because that's the official policy of your government. You wouldn't go to prison in the UK? No!
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They could lynch Russians and they'd be like, well, you have a right to say that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
No, it's not. That's not what it says. That's not true. The cases you're talking about are people who've been in prison. Content that incites hatred isn't just harmful, it can be illegal. So my criteria... Okay, but I'm talking about your government, and I'm asking why. I told you I don't agree with it. Well, that's dictatorship from what I can tell. I don't, yes. I'm saying not dictatorship.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
The government is saying things that we hate are illegal. I'm half agreeing with you. Yeah, good. So what are you doing to change it? So you've got a prime minister now. I'm on my show regularly saying I think it's wrong. But at a certain point, don't people have a right to do what the American colonists did? And that's to throw off tyranny because their rights are inherent.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, it was not a sovereign country. It was controlled by the United States. They installed their government in a coup in 2014. It's a very puppet of the United States and Great Britain. So they're not sovereign at all. Do you think they're a democracy? Well, their leader's not elected, so by definition, they're not a democracy.
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They're given by God because they're human beings. So you want them to be violent? Of course not. I'm totally opposed to violence. You're the one who was justifying firebombing stuff. What's the example you just gave? Wasn't it conducted with violence? Of course not. But you should be single-minded in getting a government that permits people to live like human beings, not like slaves, right?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yeah, well, inciting violence is an absurd standard because, and they tried to take me out many times with this, some wacko will go shoot innocents and be like, he watched this show or... He had the same opinions as you. It's like, I couldn't be more against violence. I'm mad at my government because it funds violence around the world.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So inciting violence is just a way to get your critics to shut up. So you need to loot their country and wreck it.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
That's not inciting. That's like directing. It's like being a criminal master.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You know as well as I, and I don't know why you would defend it, that your government is stifling criticism of itself, of its own illegitimate leadership, using law enforcement.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But they flooded your country. We had riots last summer in Pawtucket. And that's very unpopular with the native population. Always has been. Always has been. And the government for 40 years has told them in increasing volume to shut up and stop complaining. And now it's putting them in jail for complaining about it. That's the truth. It's not as simplistic as that.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Of course it's not as simplistic as that. Of course not. I agree. I'm overgeneralizing.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
You have a native population.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, look what happened to your country. Hmm? But my country is by its nature different. Built on the premise of immigrants. You're a monarchy run by the head of your church. There's a monarchy here. Right. And they're living as they should, which is consistent with their values. And your country isn't. So that's all I'm saying.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
It may be a great place to vacation or they've got, you know, we're getting a lot of money from, you know, defense deals or they've got pretty women. There are lots of great things you could say about the Ukrainians. They're actually great people from what I can tell. I know a bunch of them. They're awesome. But they're definitely not a democracy. So should Putin just take the land? No.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Really? My king, yes. What has he done to preserve England?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Oh, I don't know. I mean... Well, he's a Christian. He should like it. He's the head of the... What is it? He's the head of the Church of England. Yeah, he does. Yeah. How's church attendance? He goes quite regularly. Come on, it's all a joke, dude. You had a Christian country, now you don't. So that's not a win. That's a failure.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I agree. Yeah. I'm sad about that as a Christian. So can I ask you, Keir Starmer... seems like the most unpopular, now that Trudeau's gone, the most unpopular leader in the West.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Can he hang on?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
What did the farmers do wrong? I never understood that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
But it's happened throughout Europe and the United States, attacking farmers. And it seems like part of a bigger... It should reward farmers. Farmers are the lifeblood of any... But I guess what I'm saying is, right, but if you're looking big picture, if you're opposed to famine and you're for human flourishing and people, then you'd want to do whatever you could to have enough food. I agree.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And if country by country by country, Germany, Great Britain, Denmark, Holland, they're all attacking farmers, United States, maybe there's a bigger anti-human agenda at work.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So what happens? I don't know. We should stop paying for the slaughter of the entire Ukrainian population.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Yeah. Of all the groups you'd attack, why farmers? Makes no sense. It does make sense though, doesn't it? Why? Well, clearly there's an effort to reduce the human population. If all these countries... You think he wants to starve the Brits and kill us? Well, I don't know. You can't assess the motives of individuals. They're unknowable. He's not trying to starve the British people. Okay.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't know him. I don't know what he's trying to do. No, I'm talking... No, no, no. No, you come on. Look around the world. Government after government after government around the world is endorsing policies that they know will reduce birth rates... is attacking agriculture and is allowing, I don't know, drugs and food that kill people and make them less healthy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
So if you add that all up, you don't have to know their motives. You just look at the effects and you're like, the effect is to kill people. What is going on here? Do you ever wonder that? Crap governance by a series. But it's consistent around. It's like every country is like, you know, we saw people kill themselves.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
bad, bad politicians. But why is every politician in every Western country coming to the same set of policies whose effect is fewer children, More unhealthy dead people. I mean, you don't have to be a conspiracy now to just say, I'm looking at just the numbers. How many kids per family dropping?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, I don't know. I mean, when, you know, Congo invades its neighbors, like, it's not axiomatic that we should be involved.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And they're going a long way. A lot of averages would suggest that, like, I don't know, the governments of Spain, Belgium, New Zealand, pick another. Mexico would adopt the opposite policies. Like, we're going to pay you to have more kids.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I agree with that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Have we ended on agreement? I just want to know, since you're, I think, good at predictions, how do you think the war in Ukraine will end?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I totally agree, but do you think it's kind of... I strongly agree with you, and I have for two and a half years, but why is it only now that we're getting sort of more realistic casualty figures? How could a government fund a war without knowing how many people died in that war?
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I think the US and British governments have both lied about it and kept those numbers from the public. And I feel like that's a crime.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I hope you'll go back to Great Britain and grab him by the throat and make him tell the truth.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, I was in college and drunk. Did you basically agree with it? Yeah, I mean, I had a lot of dumb ideas. Storming Norman Schwarzkopf? I thought it was okay to drink beer in the morning.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
And it solves a lot of problems. I think that's really smart. Yeah. You know, the energy, the attitude. All of it. Why are people doing heroin in the first place? Yeah. Why would you want to do fentanyl? Yeah, yeah. Because you're hopeless. We have a terrible drugs problem. No, I agree. In our country. Terrible. You have a bad drugs problem in America. And you solve it with attitude. Yeah, you do.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Piers Morgan, thank you for taking all this time. I enjoyed it. It's great to see you in Saudi Arabia. Let's do it again sometime. Thank you. Thanks very much. That was awesome. Enjoyed it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, that was I mean, that's the kind of war that in theory I would support. You say we have energy interests in this region. We want to keep it stable. When you start getting theoretical, like we're preserving democracy by supporting dictators.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Maybe. I don't see that. What I'm thinking is that the... What I don't like is the moral overlay because it's fatuous and fraudulent. He's not, this is not a democratic country. He is a dictator. We've supported many dictators. We supported Mobutu in Zaire, which no longer exists because he was a bulwark against the Soviets, we thought, and a million others.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Right. So, no, I said I was drunk in college. I haven't really thought I said. But theoretically, you could make the case because they had the United States. We need cheap energy. We're going to go to war to preserve cheap energy. You know, that's not a crazy thing to say. Maybe I could support that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I'm aware, which is why you probably don't want to kill all of its farmers and sell all of its farmland, which is what we've allowed to happen. Zelensky. We're not kidding. The Russians are. Well, no, this war wouldn't exist if it weren't for the money in arms that we're sending to Ukraine. It would have been over in one day. It never would have started if we hadn't said.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
I don't think, I think it's very clear, and I don't know that anyone would disagree with this, that Russia would not have invaded eastern Ukraine if... the Biden administration hadn't sent Kamala Harris to the Munich Security Conference in February of 2022 to say to Zelensky, on camera, we're going to make you a NATO country, meaning we're going to put American NATO arms on the Russian border.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Like you would not allow Chinese, your country probably would, but you shouldn't allow Chinese missiles in Scotland peering over Hadrian's Wall aimed at London. You'd be like, no, you can't do that on our border. And the Russians are like, no, you can't do that on our border. And we're like, shut up, you're Russian. You have no right to determine what happens on your border. Piss off.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They support the Ukraine. Hang on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, whether or not Republican members of the Senate support something is immaterial.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
35 years ago, I'm just saying.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why would you want to put U.S. missiles on Russia's border? I don't understand. It's so obviously unacceptable for any sovereign nation to tolerate.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Why? Why? Nuclear deterrent. Great Britain has nuclear weapons? Yes, we do.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
They would have been invaded if the West hadn't said, we're going to use you as a staging ground for intimidating Russia. Like, why would we want to do that? Why not just allow, what we've done is pushed Russia into the Chinese market.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
Well, actually, I don't I don't think I mean, I have a million theories, but these are not among them. It's not a theory to say that Russia moved into eastern Ukraine because the United States wouldn't give up on pushing for Ukraine admission into NATO when NATO did not want Ukraine. But this is also the criteria for admission.
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Tucker & Piers Morgan Debate Foreign Aid, Hate Speech, NATO, Gun Control, & Is Zelensky a Dictator?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Okay, so here's my theory. The death of the U.S. auto industry was a bigger deal than I think we realized. Maybe a harbinger, hopefully not, but perhaps a harbinger of what happens to the country going forward. So Detroit dies, and people are like, oh, Detroit's such a mess. My wife is from there, so I've been there a lot. But you never thought that would happen to the rest of the country, right?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Yes.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
But manual transmission still makes for more efficient driving.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Huh. Interesting.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Or even your car over years.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Oh, I wasn't thinking about emissions even. Yeah. So, well, that's amazing. So, and what about emissions on this vehicle? I'm trying to get to like- In regard to mine or the whole scandal specifically?
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So the question before the court was, can federal agencies create legislation when the Constitution says, no, Congress creates the laws?
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Right, but for generations, the federal agencies, including EPA, but all of them, from the Department of Education to the Department of Defense, have come out with regulations that have the force of law that no one ever voted for, And that no elected official had a hand in, so it's anti-democratic, right?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Well, the ATF has all kinds of other problems, like shooting innocent people. But yes, no, absolutely. But they create regulations that no one voted on and that no elected official administers. So it's like, as a citizen, I have no recourse, so that's not democracy, that's tyranny. Yeah. So that's that's the conceptual.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Where are we going? Law vote on it. Yeah. You know, and the beauty of the Congress is they have two or six years between elections. So they're pretty accountable to voters. And if voters don't like the way they vote, they can turn them out, at least conceivably. Right. One hopes one. But the. Undersecretary of douchebaggery is completely beyond the control of any voters.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So, like, that's, again, tyranny, right? Yes. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So you have to be your own first responder. Before an ambulance arrives, before a doctor can help, it is up to you to protect yourself and your family. And if it's a medical emergency, you could be out of luck because you don't have the right medications. Most people do not have the medications they need at home. There's an answer to that. It's called the JACE case.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Just because the nature, obviously, of an electric vehicle just gives you massive advantage. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Respectfully towards coal. But hold on. Just to be fair, can it be turned off by remote by a politician who doesn't like your politics? Thank you. No, it can't. Oh, it can't. No, it can't. Then I don't feel comfortable with it. Oh, you don't? Well, how are we going to control you? I don't care.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I like your spirit.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
For real. No, I get it. With a gun in it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Sorry, I shouldn't say that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I grew up in California. We didn't have a lot of deer hunting. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I mean, we know that now. That was a criminal organization running our country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
She sounds like my kind of woman. So, but let me just back a little bit. So, you create this vehicle in your shop, right?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Okay. And you think that you could build it for 20 grand? Yeah. Is that true? Okay, 20 grand. So, it gets 104. It mass-produces, of course. Okay. At scale. Not as a prototype. Obviously. But it gets 104 miles per gallon. It matches the Tesla off the line. You get to 60 in under five seconds. So that's like kind of the dream package right there.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And it runs on a readily available fuel that you can buy at any.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Okay, so can I just ask, like, at that point, it's like if you invent something that is truly useful and that, you know, at 20 grand-ish, a new Suburban's, like, pushing 100 grand right now. Like, the cars are out of control. Who can afford that? I couldn't agree more. If you're going to spend that much money on a car, go buy a vintage Ferrari or something, you know?
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I don't know that I've ever bought a new car in my life, and I don't plan to, but... But people want it, whatever, leaving that whole aside. But what you just described is something that like almost by definition would be successful. So why can't you find someone to build it at scale?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Yeah, but I mean, you know, no one wants AI. We're getting it anyway. Well, yeah, but... Right? We're getting massive change.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And people themselves, right? Yeah. We're replacing human beings. I know that'll end well.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And by the way, I've done, I don't know, how many interviews on the topic of AI around the world. I've been to a lot of different countries to learn just for myself more about what's happening there. And the one question that no one can answer is, what's the benefit of this? Control for others. Yeah. None of the benefits. Yeah, whatever.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Well, you're blowing my mind. So, I mean, getting older is a process of realizing how many of the lies you've internalized and believed. And I guess if you had asked me when I woke up this morning what destroyed Detroit, I would say, I mean, I'm not actually even that against unions, to be honest with you. But I would say, well, everyone says the unions and EPA and safety.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I don't want to sound like an old guy, but I feel like one when I hear this topic. So, but anyway, just back to the, to the point, like why specific? So you've been talking about this on your podcast on YouTube. Yeah. My YouTube channel.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
and which has a lot of viewers and um why has no one called you to say you know i'll friendship a couple hundred million bucks and we'll just build a facility and the the difficulty with things like this is so okay first of all you think how do you do that okay with what i'm talking about is not something that can be reasonably just scaled from a garage
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I would buy one. You got to do something. If you're selling one, I would buy. What's it look like? I'm such a bad interviewer. I haven't even asked the basic question. No, you should.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Wow. You didn't mention Cybertruck. Does it have hard lines?
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Really? Well, I'd like it to be efficient.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Respectfully. I don't mean that as a dig. No, no. I'm not attacking the Cybertruck. I personally think it's incredibly unattractive. The Cybertruck? Yes. I just like the meaning. And I respect the Cybertruck, by the way. I did a Cybertruck review. Yeah. I think it's a really interesting vehicle. I'm glad it exists. But I'm just saying aesthetically. Yeah. It's pretty good looking.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
It's a little different because we're accustomed to seeing what we're seeing.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Okay, sorry.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I'm more like 1935 Packard, you know, just soft lines.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Is it pretty? Yes, very. Yeah, of course it is.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Tell me what it looks like. What would you compare it to? Something that people might... Well, it's mid-engine.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Ralph Nader and the EPA and the UAW. True. But no. True. It's deeper, you're saying.
The Tucker Carlson Show
How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Can you register it? Yeah. Yeah. Just like go to the DMV and register.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Yeah. Huh. Amazing. Car guy stuff.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
But they're not beating down your door.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Correct.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
This is obviously a much deeper question, but why do the worst people in the world, the most small-minded, the stupidest, the meanest, the people with the most unbalanced, unhealthy personal lives, why do they all go into journalism, do you think? That's a better question for you. But I have a theory. I don't know. I've been pondering this for like 35 years and I don't understand it.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
You clearly thought about this.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Toledo. Exactly. Home of champion spark plugs.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
No, it's a snake eating its tail for sure. I wonder though, like, I'm sure this has occurred to you and I'm terrible at business, so don't take my advice, but like... Since you have designed something that has inherent utility and obvious mass appeal, and I'm naive enough to think that still matters. Like, if you make a great thing... It does matter.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
People want it, and they'll pay for it, especially if it's cheap. Why not just do, like, a crowdfunding situation where you're like, all right, you know, I... Design this vehicle. It's 104 miles to the gallon on diesel fuel, which you can buy anywhere. And that, you know, can match an electric vehicle off the line. Like, who wants to send in money and let's make this thing?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
If you can make a vehicle like this for $20,000, why not just sell it for $50,000 on the internet? I'd buy one.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
There's just got to be a way to get it out there.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
The Omega car.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I'd like an Omega car in forest green. Could you do that?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Actually?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I'd buy it in a second.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Yeah.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I'm getting one. So I just want to go back to something you said in the very first moments of this interview. You said that you don't own any of it. You're obviously a car guy. You build cars.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
But can I... Ask, like, you said that you don't have any vehicle older than early 2000s. Newer. Newer than early 2000s.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Newer. I beg your pardon. So, why is that? Like, what's bad about cars made in the last 25 years? And please be very specific. Oh, I will.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So everything, I mean, I grew up working on a motorcycle with a carburetor and rebuilding the carburetor, adjusting the flow bowl, you know, timing light, adjust the points. I mean, all that stuff, just like really super basic mechanics. And, you know, there are lots of downsides to that. They break a lot. But you could understand it.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
My feeling is the vehicles that I have had that are newer, I mean, I have no idea how they work. I don't feel injection is still kind of a mystery to me. I'm sorry to say that it is. It works the same way as a carburetor.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Well, I guess this trend toward making everything electric. I bought a truck last year, a Chevy truck, which I've always had. And I was at a gas station. And all of a sudden on the dashboard, it says, stop. We're downloading information from the Internet. While you were driving? No, I was stopped.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
It just specifically wanted you to stay stopped so it can... So it could, I don't know, download software. I sold the car immediately. I brought it back and sold it.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And the law enforcement can turn off your car from afar, correct? Yeah, and they do. Well, with certain cars. Yeah, certain cars. So when's the last year you could have a car that can't be controlled?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
It does feel like everything is, you're going to have like fly-by-wire cars with, you know.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So that's like an attack on human autonomy, obviously.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So I had a Harley Davidson, you know, since I was in college in 1971, which, you know, I could kind of understand. Great bike. But I bought a new Harley last year, and they delivered it, you know, big, fun bike, fast, you know, like six speeds, which is crazy to me. Actually comfortable. And just the transmission is like great. I mean, my bike...
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
You downshift, you got to pop the throttle, no return spring in the throttle. You got to pop that to get it down. And so the shifting in this thing was just like beyond belief. But when they delivered it to my barn, they, I said, let's talk about how to change the oil, obviously. And they go, you know, we don't, we actually recommend bringing it to the dealership.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
No, no. I mean... You sound like a racist.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And I was like, yeah, but it's changing the oil in the motorcycles, like not hard. And they're like, well, you know, there are gaskets and gaskets. Why would you have to replace a gasket to change the oil? Anyway, I brought it back to the dealership. Didn't want it. Oh, really? You're like, and now I'm done with you guys. I did. They were great. I don't mean to attack them in any way.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
They were awesome people. Most motorcycle people are great people, and they definitely were. But I didn't want a motorcycle where you had to replace a gasket.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was like, I'm not rebuilding the lower end. I just want to change the oil. And they're like, you know, most of our customers bring that back to the dealership. And I was... And I don't know. I didn't like that at all. Yeah. And I felt like there was a scam involved. Which is the one you described, right?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I don't care.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Because you're dependent on somebody else.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Yes, that was that was a little early before I started paying attention. So the federal government basically paid clunkers like perfectly fine cars built before a certain date. You could redeem them for cash. And then they just they melted them.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And I felt like there was something pretty sinister about that, but maybe I'm just like one of those paranoid wackos who don't think Randy Weaver deserved to be killed. I don't know. Maybe I'm just on the fringe.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Exactly. But it does, you know, you raised the question, which is how do you service vehicles made before 9-11? And that is why people don't want them. And I must say, made before. The ones made before are easier to service than the ones made after. Well, no, I mean, it's like if you buy an older vehicle. Mm-hmm. And I drive an older vehicle, so I know.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
It's like you can't just... I mean, you have to know someone who can fix it. Yeah, of course, to an extent, yeah. But are we entering a world where there won't be any mechanics who can... who know what a carburetor is, for example?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I'm most struck by, I mean, because we've deindustrialized is part of it. So that makes sense to me. You know, why can't we build this or that thing? Why haven't we been to the moon, you know, in 50 years? Assuming we went in the first place. I kind of get that because there are fewer competent engineers. Everyone's a marketing major. Okay, that makes sense.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
What I don't understand is the decline in design.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
across and not just an automotive but um across across the society the civilization actually we're making things uglier aren't we why is that that's a cultural issue i was in um another city i won't name it but a you know nice kind of tertiary city and um but a growing city with a lot of nice people in it affluent and i was driving through this was last week and i was driving through an affluent neighborhood
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
with one of my children who's a design person. And I said, that house is black. This is new build.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
And then I saw another. And then I saw like three more. Like do these people hate themselves? What is this? She goes, it's disgusting. And I felt that way, but like what, why would you ever paint a house black? Or why would you build, like what the hell is going on with design? What's your theory?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
It's anti-Western civilization. It's anti-Christian. It's anti-beauty. It's the simplest thing. In fact, I gave you this small detail.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Make it as simple as possible?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
It does seem like there's a very intense, like almost visceral hatred of nature coming off design people. It's like- Strangely, yes.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Just because there's too much initiative and too much creativity? They wouldn't let me do it. Did you pay for this experience?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Way more than, I don't know, third wave feminist literature? I don't know. Rethink what you just said and ask yourself, do I really mean what I said? Well, that... I don't know that architectural draftsmanship is more important than, say, The Color Purple by Alice Welker.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
That elevate beauty and truth over, like, garbage by some low-IQ unhappy chick?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
You know, I would say beneath your car design exterior lies a fairly incisive and bitter critique of the society.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
I don't either. I completely agree. So how, I just have to be clear on this, how if there are other eccentric people out there who would like one of these vehicles that you've designed, how would they, would you be willing to make them to order?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Will it be cool to build it with a gas tank sufficient to get coast to coast? It's very doable.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So how do people find you if, like, if you made it this far in the interview?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Not at this moment. But are you open to kind of custom builds?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Of course.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
They've got great jobs out there. So I guess it gets to a larger question. I mean, the trades are not dead, correct?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
More people should be going into them. I know. You wouldn't have all the student debt. But in your life, if you all of a sudden got an order for 15 of these vehicles, could you find the people necessary? Yeah, I could put that together. Wow. Okay.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Do you think if you started doing this, the government would jump on you?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Yeah. Well, there's an instinctive hatred coming from our leaders for those kind of people. I know. It's pretty obvious. I know. Casey, I really appreciate you taking all this time. Amazing.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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So I guess the question is, if we want to prevent this from spreading with the cancer that it clearly is, I think it's important to know the cause of it. So why did the auto industry, which was the most important non-defense industry we had, why did it die?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
now i think that's bs yeah so as to be fair you've also seen the death of innovation in aviation as well that's true too i mean the 747 came out in 1969. true tell me we've made it and i was born that year 55 six years ago when was the last time we built a plane that cool 1969.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Yeah, for sure.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
But the reason I say that is— Everything you just said is obvious, and it's crazy that it still exists. But let me just back up to the vehicle itself, if you don't mind, without getting boring on the subject. No, I was coming back to that. Explain how you get 100 miles to the gallon on diesel, and it goes 0 to 60 in under five seconds. What is that? How big is the motor? Tell us about the car.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Let me ask you a question. Yeah.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Not super aerodynamic. No. I drive a Silverado, not aerodynamic.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Wait, you didn't mention the unions. Everyone blames the unions for the destruction of Detroit. Yeah.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
It actually gets 100 miles to the gallon?
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
Well, and the other thing. Considering gas is pretty, it was like three bucks or something.
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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
So tell me about the engine in this vehicle.
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So let me ask you, you, 2022, became famous for a day or two because you got into it with the American College of Surgeons?
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But, I mean, you were a – I mean, you spent over 30 years just being a surgeon, cutting and healing people. Right. You're not the one who brought this topic into the ACS in the first place. They did. Yeah. But because you discussed a topic that they introduced, they said you weren't a serious doctor and needed to be banned.
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i wanted to hear more about it not simply because you're the victim of grotesque injustice and and authoritarianism but because the consequences of this kind of thinking are so dangerous to the public health that i think people need to know it because everything you're saying suggests that they're going to radically lower the standard for surgeons not that they are they have
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So how is that not a felony? How can you do that? How can you lower the standard for surgeons or air traffic controllers or anyone who's got a job with the public health in his hands? You know, critical job, the critical jobs in our society. And you lower the standards for that. That's not a crime.
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Like the highest level of trust. You're saying to somebody, I'm going to let you cut me open. Who would you say that to? Only a surgeon. And so the consequences are just beyond.
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Dr. Richard Bosshardt Reveals Deadly Truth: Most Surgeons Aren’t Fit to Practice. Here’s Why.
They have not engaged with you in three years.
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Dr. Richard Bosshardt Reveals Deadly Truth: Most Surgeons Aren’t Fit to Practice. Here’s Why.
Well, I would just encourage anyone watching to let's Google these people and do not accept medical care from them. I don't want to be cut by an unreasonable ideologue.
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Its third year. Can you just give us a quick reminder of what that Contra Trump was about, what happened? Sure.
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It would be nice to have their names. So you said not only do they plan to lower standards, but they already have.
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But it was obvious to you just from looking down, this guy was not qualified.
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How did he become a surgeon?
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Was this person from a protected racial group?
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But he was incompetent.
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Yes.
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Even I know about it.
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Yes.
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And there was a spate of New York Times stories about this.
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Like refusing to operate on black people?
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So the question is, I mean, it sounds like a total failure to train the next generation of surgeons.
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No, I'm joking. I mean, like, where was the racism in surgery?
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So in addition to what are demonstrable, provable failures of medical schools to train the next generation of surgeons, and can I just say parenthetically that?
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I feel like if they're not training surgeons adequately, you know, surgeons are a small percentage of all physicians, probably the most important, but they're probably not, and probably the smartest and most driven, then they're probably failing.
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Yeah, yeah. They're surgeons, right? It's the most straightforward kind of medicine. So, but in addition to that, They overlay these racial mandates. They decide that racism is the real problem, not incompetence. And then they put these mandates in where, like, you have to somehow have doctors of all these different backgrounds, which you don't have.
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I've watched a lot of medical shows. I'm not a doctor as a result.
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The other thing they do, which is really... What would be, again, the motive there?
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Well, back to the, I mean, all of this begins at the front end of the pipeline, which is medical school.
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So the standards for admission to medical school have been dropped dramatically for race reasons.
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Why do they have the moral high ground if they're putting people's lives at risk, which they are? I mean, I think that's a crime. But how did they get to attack you for upholding objective standards of surgery? I just don't get the... Like, are there no sane people left in American medicine?
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Well, the fact that there isn't really bothers me because it's more than physical dexterity. You're counting on, as a patient, reason. You want a fact-based, logical physician or else you could die. And so anyone who accepts clearly illogical, unreasonable reasons and doesn't push back against them is basically involved in witchcraft, right?
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So if I could say to you something that is provably untrue and just on its face stupid, which is, you know, a black female patient needs a black female doctor. It's like, what are you even saying? Show me the evidence. There is no evidence. It's crazy on its face. It's Nazi stuff. If you go along with that, then you've disqualified yourself because you're not a rational person.
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You're a witchcraft practitioner. So that just freaks me out. So you could say, well, good people are going along with this. Well, no, they're disqualified by the fact they are going along with it. That's my – as a patient, someone who's undergone two surgeries, that's – I mean, is that a fair view, do you think?
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Well, is it true? And if it's true, how is that true? Again, the rest of us trust science, not because we trust the people who carry it out, but because the idea itself is inherently reasonable. Prove it or I don't believe it. The burden of proof is on the practitioner, the scientist, the physician, the surgeon. And the whole system is based on that. If you can't prove it, then you can't know it.
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I thought that that's science, right?
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But that's all medicine should be evidence-based medicine. And if it's not evidence-based medicine, it's not really medicine, it's witchcraft. So it freaks me out that the average doctor, average surgeon would for a second go along with this.
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So that was the idea behind segregation in the South, of course.
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You're getting someone less, overwhelmingly. And that's obvious. And it has nothing to do with race, by the way. It's that preferences are always destructive of excellence. So if I... If you tell me that you're the CEO of a company that your family owns and you got the job because you're the first son... My first assumption is they lowered standards to make you CEO. I mean, right?
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People should stick with their own, yeah.
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It's just it's obvious. And so if I have a black female surgeon, my first assumption will be this person had to meet lower standards because the school or the certifying board was so anxious to say we have a black female surgeon. And of course, it's unfair to the individual. But then the whole system is unfair. So should you be shocked that it produces unfair results? No, I mean, it's unfair.
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I mean, talk about the- But why would anyone go, of course, I mean, it's a Chinese finger trap.
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You know, the harder you pull to get out, the more stuck you are. But why would anybody, you're a surgeon, like you're at the very pinnacle of our system. Like the science-based, reason-based civilization that we've built, which we consider superior to like, you know, to the witchcraft-based societies of the rest of the world. How in the world could you sit and let this happen? Anybody?
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So I get a white male surgeon, is what you're saying?
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Any surgeon?
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Well, you're the anomaly. You actually stood up and got banned for standing up. I'm just saying, what about all your colleagues?
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Now, you might do better with— Kind of happy with a Swedish surgeon. Sorry. I feel like I'm going to win in this, yeah.
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But if you're a surgeon, you understand that lowering standards results in the deaths of people. The stakes are just the highest in any part of our society. You have the highest stakes. So, sure, it could hurt your career. Sure, it could make you unpopular. Sure, they might call you names, Uncle Tom or whatever.
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But you balance that against the deaths of innocence and you think, I have to say something, don't you? And if you don't. That's where I found myself. I can tell. And bless you. But if you decide, you know, people will die, but my career is more important or not being called names is more important, then you're kind of a monster, aren't you?
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Meaning German, by the way.
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I do. I think that if you give the power that surgeons have, the power to cut people open unsupervised, and someone dies, and you're the surgeon, you're like God in the operating room, you have that power. In exchange for that power, you have to hold yourself to the highest moral standards. Don't you? I agree with that.
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That's what I'm saying. I mean actual power, not theoretical power. A surgeon is more power than the president. He can cut open a person if the person's unconscious. He has total control over his operating room. Correct me if I'm wrong in any of this.
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Unquestioned, right? And he has a life in his hands. Like actual, not theoretical. Actual, beating heart person. And so that person has to be of just the highest moral caliber or else innocents die. I mean, that's my view.
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Yeah, this is not progress.
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And, and, you know, for those of us watching who, you know, aren't doctors, um, it eliminates all trust. Don't trust doctors. I don't want to go to the doctor. I don't like doctors. I loathe them. I don't trust a lot of doctors. You don't.
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Have you met any plastic surgeons who've done surgeries on minors?
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Now it's my impression that it's pretty hard to be a doctor unless you commit abortion, like you kind of have to. As part of your training, if you're OBGYN, I don't know that you can get through medical school without participating in an abortion, an elective abortion.
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No, I know that. But my sense is now, in practice, if not officially, that, That is the case, and it's extremely hard to be an OBGYN resident and not participate in that. And I wonder if we're moving toward that scenario with transgender surgery, where maybe you don't get certified as a plastic surgeon unless you participate in, you know, mutilating minors in the service of ideology.
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Like, could you see that happening?
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But that just seems to act against evidence. um, no scientific evidence as a scientist and physicians or scientists. It doesn't, I just, I just, I'm saying the same thing 10 times in a row, but it just seems like it just quite like you shouldn't be allowed to conduct science. If you've shown that you don't believe in it.
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That guy, I don't know if he's... I didn't ask him. I don't know if he's a religious man, but I could feel a moral power on that guy. He is. He is religious.
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I could feel that on him.
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He has a strong sense of... One follows the other. No, you're absolutely right. And of all the people I've interviewed, boy, it's funny you mentioned him. I've thought about him many times since that interview.
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Eitan Haim. For those following who want to Google him. Yeah. So do you think that this can be fixed?
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So if you're a doctor, I mean, and you're openly mentally ill like that, why doesn't anybody? No, I don't mean that as an attack. I'm saying that with sympathy. It's a great question. Why doesn't anyone in the physician's group or the hospital say something?
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The Soviets proved that.
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So how do you treat a rental car? Do you ever change the oil in it?
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May I ask you to just go back to the core assumptions that that drive this, are they rooted in science? Is there- Absolutely not. Okay, so is there any research at all that shows that the outcomes in surgery are better when the surgeon is matched racially with the patient?
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Well, you've certainly wrecked my day, doctor, but I appreciate your doing this, taking all the time to explain this.
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Well, thank you for your bravery.
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Yeah, I had an emergency appendectomy once by Dr. Leon Pachter, who was an amazing surgeon. And it, you know, it saved me. So, and I think most people have had an experience like that. And, you know, it's important.
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Yeah.
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A moron. Yeah.
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Shouldn't be allowed. Yeah. Nope. You get the surgeon from Burkina Faso, Abram Kendi. That's my opinion. Thank you, doctor, but I'm obviously a vindictive bad person. So, anyway, thanks.
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No.
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Was there any push to make certain that white patients got white doctors?
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I'm just being perverse, like... Did they really believe it when they said this? They didn't really believe it. This is just a way to lower the standards to change the racial composition of surgeons, right?
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Are those the rules in surgery? Like if the other kids are for it, you just do it?
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It might be interesting just to hear if you can recall some of the names of the leadership who did that just for the record.
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So you are, as we say, objectively pro-polio in the characterization of the New York Times.
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Was this review, the polio, the one of six licensed polio vaccines in question, you said received its license in 1990. It was 35 years ago. Did anyone over the course of 35 years say, wait a second, you know, the process used to evaluate the safety of this product was like a joke, woefully insufficient. Did anyone say anything about it for all those years up until recently?
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For the layman, what are those?
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So that was the state of play as of 1986.
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So these companies had gone out of business because of lawsuits from people who were injured.
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Oh, just asking questions is not allowed. I've been penalized for just asking questions. No questions. Okay, so that's the context for this question. What is your position on the polio vaccines? And I think as you speak, you were also suggesting what Bobby Kennedy might think you are as a lawyer, but you tell me.
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I know you don't like to speculate as to motive, but it does raise this- confusing question. Why would the New York Times, A, be so opposed to Bobby Kennedy? It's a liberal newspaper. He's a lifelong liberal. Was. Kennedy was. Yeah. Right. In their minds. Yeah. He is a classical liberal. Oh, I couldn't agree more. And I would say that's a compliment. He believes in civil liberties. We all should.
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But why would the New York Times be willing to lie about in order to keep him from getting confirmed.
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If people are interested, the first names are great. People can find it.
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Yes, they do.
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So what's the answer to that question?
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Because I think Bobby Kennedy, well, because some of them are vaccine zealots. I think that's right. I've certainly seen a lot of that. But I also think there's something about the way he assesses facts and history that's terrifying to a certain sort of person who's very vested in the current system, who's a rigid, dogmatic thinker. A lot of them are.
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A lot of the dumber people are rigid and dogmatic, in case you haven't noticed. It's a sign of mediocrity, in my opinion, but it's very common in our professional class.
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Bobby, like Trump, is the kind of person who assesses things on the basis of what he sees and doesn't necessarily genuflect before, you know, the pieties that all of us have to or are required to, you know, whatever we're supposed to say. He doesn't necessarily go along with that. And that temperament is incredibly threatening. Once you start asking questions, you know, are these products safe?
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You might wind up asking other questions like, why do we have NATO? Or how was John F. Kennedy murdered? Like, what was that? I mean, there's people who asked uncomfortable questions in one area are likely to ask uncomfortable questions in other areas. And if your entire system is built on lies, that's, you know, a huge threat. Yeah.
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It was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. Five years since the beginning of COVID, tens of millions dead, societies reordered completely, economies destroyed. And yet, for some reason, we still don't know answers to the most basic questions. Where did this virus come from? How did it get here?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Why did the government tell us to do things they knew wouldn't work? None of those questions have been adequately answered. And one man knows those answers. His name is Dr. Tony Fauci. Until now, nobody has really pressed. And now a documentary filmmaker called Jenner First is out with a new film explaining exactly what happened. The film is called Thank You, Dr. Fauci.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Jenner First spent years trying to get answers. And in that time, as he awaited Dr. Fauci's response, He went through tens of thousands of pages of documents and pieced together the story, which is shocking. We are proud to host that documentary here on TCN from December 20th to January 19th. You will see it exclusively here on TCN. Again, it's called Thank You, Dr. Fauci, and it's worth it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So just to kind of tie a bow in the New York Times story element of this conversation, they made the claim that you and Bobby Kennedy are pro-polio. What other claims did they make?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So you're Bobby Kennedy's lawyer. Bobby Kennedy has been nominated by President Trump to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services, HHS. Bobby Kennedy has a, this is just my quick summary, has a very large constituency in the United States. He's not some anonymous character. He's a guy who's been around for many, many years and has many, many fans. So it's hard for
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Right. And in the case of the third petition, it wasn't just that you showed the safety testing was inadequate. There was evidence of an actual problem. The ingredients didn't match the label.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Right.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So the purpose of this piece was obviously not to report the news or tell the truth or, you know, get to the heart of anything. It was to stop Bobby Kennedy's nomination at the confirmation stage. Yeah. Has it been effective?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
um there's you know there's just no truth there's just no truth to the claim that he wants security vaccines he just wants transparency and he wants good science and we should all want that i want to ask a specific question that's bothered me for a long time so 1986 congress grants blanket immunity to the vaccine manufacturers that cannot be sued you know those are not the only products people sue over of course
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
the trial bar, which was, you know, famously the most powerful, along with teachers unions, the most powerful single constituency in the Democratic Party because it gave the most money, you know, they've lobbied to make it easy to sue over anything. You know, OBGYNs go out of business because, you know, they get sued. Why haven't they complained about this?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
um you know um maybe it's a blend of ideology and it's also none of the big plaintiffs side firms have a vaccine injury practice and the ones that do have gotten used to maybe the existing system but it's just weird i mean sue over talcum powder asbestos tobacco slip and falls i mean you name it playground equipment manufacturers the rest of the medical establishment gets food constantly
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But nobody thinks, well, wait, everyone knows there are a lot of vaccine injuries. That's not a controversial point. It's known. And no lawyer thought, well, wait a second, we need to lobby to change this law because we could save people and make a ton of money.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
It's just very strange because, you know, all of us, well, thanks to propaganda from organized lawyer lobbies,
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
have been told from birth that you know the civil law keeps us safe you know if you make a crappy product if again if as you said if your gas tank blows up some lawyer's going to sue the car manufacturer and you'll get a safer car that is that is how product safety works when you look at countries that don't have you know basically market-based systems how do their products get safer they didn't go look back at other countries in that way
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No control group? There was no control group. Isn't a control group a prerequisite for a scientific experiment?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Well, I'm glad you said drug too, because this immunity applies only to vaccines. There are lots of drugs out there. Some of them have, you know, all of them have side effects. Some of the side effects are scary as hell, but they're still on the market.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So it is a legitimate profit center for the pharma companies?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
passed as a public service in the name of public health, why did it allow vaccine manufacturers to profit? So, right, you get an immunity shield, but you're not allowed to get rich off it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
If I bring suit against the secretary of HHS on behalf of someone who's vaccine injured and I win, where does the money come from?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So the manufacturers are not on the hook for it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So the system's even more grotesque than you described. There's a product made by a publicly traded company, a private company, non-government. The government requires its citizens to buy the product The manufacturer product cannot be sued if the product is faulty. And if someone's injured, they have to fight the government to get paid.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
And when they do get paid, the manufacturer doesn't have to pay.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But you could be for vaccines. I'm not sure I am, but you could be. Many people are. I always have been. And still demand good vaccines. I'm for cars. I think it's fair to expect they're not going to blow up. It doesn't even make sense.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
You graduate law school, you went to Berkeley? I went to Berkeley for law school, yes. And what did you plan on doing when you graduated? How did you wind up here?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So- A couple of quick questions. Please. I've never heard of that. I've never heard of an experiment without a control group. And three days is obviously inadequate to judge the safety or the efficacy, for that matter, of a product. So how did federal health regulators sign off on that?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Who pushed that proposition?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Hard to know.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
You have to have that if you're going to do a job like yours.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
As expected what?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
People didn't want your services as a lawyer because you had challenged a flu vaccine mandate.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
You're very diplomatic because that's grotesque.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I mean, lawyers at big firms defend pro bono, you know, death row inmates who have, you know, murdered people, raped children. I mean, and that's fine. You know what I mean? But you can't defend the rights of parents to educate their children?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
How did your views, so you didn't expect this, your life to take this turn, it sounds like.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
What has this done to your personal life? I mean, did you, like people you know, your family, your friends, your law school, classmates, what do people think of what you're doing?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I think some people- Okay, but the attitude you just described, which I think is rational and science-based and admirable, by the way, is not shared by a lot of people. So you said that there was a cost to your business- Yes. When you started representing these clients, was there a cost to your friendships? I guess that's what I'm asking.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Because they believe the category of products is so virtuous that the details aren't important?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yeah, I think Bobby got blamed for that.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But I do want to ask you to pause and try to solve a mystery that I've been thinking about for a long time, and I really don't understand it. What accounts for the religious attachment of certain people, particularly affluent, well-educated people, to vaccines as a category?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
his opponents, who are many in Washington, to take him on directly. And so they are trying to discredit him preemptively before the vote. This is my read. And the latest way that they have done this is by accusing him and you of trying to limit access of Americans to the polio vaccine, the one vaccine that most people think is great. I think that's a fair summary.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
From babies that are aborted. From abortion clinics.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Parts of it are available on X and I watched part of it in preparation for this interview and was so shocked and revolted by it. I was already on your side, obviously, as a parent of a child who was vaccine injured.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So I'm in tune with everything you're saying, but that deposition with Dr. Stanley Plotkin, who's still alive, 93, I checked, was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my life.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No, I watched selections of it.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
but they're all older than three months, he said.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So this is answering the question, why is this a religion for some people? There is a, I mean, there's some heavy stuff going on.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I mean, there are a million medicines out there and prophylactics, and there are all kinds of treatments for all kinds of diseases, but people take a kind of cooler, less emotional view of them. Chemotherapy saves lives, but there are downsides to chemotherapy, and most people are like, you know, kind of weighing it out. Is it worth taking chemo or not, right?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No, no, no, for people who support them. There's a human sacrifice quality here. Sorry. That was my takeaway from that interview. And I think you actually asked him, are you an atheist? Yes, I am.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
There's a show, but this vaccines are grown with the cells of aborted baby tongues.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So where do the bodies come from? Do we know?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
This is like really beyond, beyond that this happens.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But vaccines quickly become religious, like almost immediately. Like even the word has an emotional power that no other treatment or medicine does. And this has been true for a long time. Why is that? What is that?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I don't know if I want to know. Okay. More, I mean, you do, as you hear this, you think, you know, this can't continue. This is too, this is tampering with the secret sauce of nature. So, you know, this will not end well at all.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
No, no, no, I mean, you've just shocked me. I know, I mean, yeah.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
But they were disproportionately ultra-Orthodox Jews from Brooklyn. Yes.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yes. Yes. The good news about, it's a group I like in general, but they're also politically organized. So pretty dumb of the city of New York to do that.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
And worship their God.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I've never talked about that at all.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
I, I, Yeah, well, I've learned more in this interview than I expected to, and you've single-handedly raised my regard for lawyers. And I never do this, but I want to do it in your case. Tell us the name of your firm.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
In New York?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So for people who have a family member who suffered an injury... you're open to talking to them about next steps.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
They're the ones who believe the science.
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
So, uh, Is, is Bobby Kinning gonna get confirmed, do you think?
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Aaron Siri: Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry
Aaron Seery, thank you very much.
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Over the past three years, hundreds, maybe thousands of Western journalists have covered the war in Ukraine from Ukraine and effectively been attached to the Ukrainian government and its military and its many propaganda outlets, taking their talking points from Ukrainian government officials, interviewing President Zelenskyy
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
How many have died? The other question that we can never get a straight answer to or any answer to is how many have died on both sides? Do you have any guess?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
Our perspective over here, the Ukrainian government is not just at war with Russia, but also with Christianity. The Ukrainian government has banned the largest Christian denomination in Ukraine and has embraced transgenderism and other explicitly anti-Christian forms of expression. Are you aware of that? Are the Russians aware of that? Is there a religious component?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
Just because their hostility to Christianity is so obvious, I wonder if you notice it.
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
Have you seen any North Korean soldiers?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
How many American correspondents are embedded with Russian units that you know of?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
So no one from NBC or CNN or Fox or PBS or New York Times, Washington Post, you're not aware of any American correspondents covering the other side in this war?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
So does it feel to you that American reporters have basically taken the side of the Biden administration, which told us that Russia is our enemy and are uncritically repeating U.S. government talking points?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
Yeah, I mean, if you're the only American correspondent embedded with Russian units, then I would think you would be in high demand. I'm embarrassed it's taken me over three years to talk to you. That's my fault. But I mean, I assume you're getting calls every week from American news organizations trying to understand what's happening.
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
So since you've been there all these years and have a tactile sense of what's happening, give us a couple examples of stories Americans may have seen or read in our media here that you know firsthand are wrong.
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
even today where where are you from in the united states i'm from st louis missouri have you been back to the u.s during the last over the last three years in the last three years no i have not um how is youtube treating you
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
On what grounds were you demonetized?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
I mean, given the atrocities, you've seen some incredibly ugly things. You described a few of them, but it's been so long. I wonder what effect that has on you as a person to see things like that.
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
So did you know Gonzalo Lira, who was maybe the only other American who was looking critically at what the Ukrainian government is doing? He was murdered by the Ukrainian government, as you know. Did you ever run across him? And are you worried that if you fell into Ukrainian hands, they would murder you, too?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
The Ukrainian war effort has been led by the United States. Do you have any which is a fact most Americans, I think, even now don't understand. Do you have any idea how many Americans have been killed fighting for Ukraine?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
Yes.
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
How long do you think this war will go on?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
Wait, may I ask you a question to clarify something? So you said that your wife's childhood home was destroyed by shelling from the Ukrainian government. Why were they shelling your wife's house? Was her family part of the fighting? Why would they do that?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
That's horrifying. Have you seen any reports of the Ukrainian military selling NATO arms outside of Ukraine? No.
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
Last question. Thank you, Patrick, for taking all this time. Do you think the U.S. population, Americans, would have supported this war, which they've paid for for over three years, as long as they did, if they'd had factual, unbiased news coverage of what was actually happening there?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
I believe that. Patrick Lancaster, thank you for doing this interview today. I hope you're safe. I appreciate it. I hope you'll come back.
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Navy veteran. And for the past 11 years, he's been reporting from the region. For the past three years, he's been reporting from the front lines. He's been interviewed by precisely no other mainstream Western media organizations. And so it raises the question, how can you understand a war you're expected to take sides in and then pay for if you're not hearing truth?
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Patrick Lancaster From the Frontlines of Ukraine/Russia War: Kamikaze Drones & Attacks on Christians
I, you know, I don't remember hearing in the United States at the time that there was a war in Ukraine. I mean, my sense is this was basically ignored completely. And that Ukraine at that time was effectively under the control of the Obama administration. That was my sense.
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So with that in mind, here's Patrick Lancaster. Patrick Lancaster, thank you so much for joining us. So you're one of the only maybe the only American reporter embedded with Russian troops in this war. How long have you been there?
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So you've been there, rotating in and out, or living there ever since, all these years. How did things change three years ago when the war began?
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Thank you for joining us. I think very few Americans understand the degree to which the Ukrainian government under Zelensky has persecuted the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Can you give us an overview of what your government has done to your church?
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We have also received reports that the Ukrainian government has sold some number of NATO weapons. Have you heard that? And do you believe it's true?
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He ran as the peace candidate, you said. What happened? How did that change?
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Why do you think he did that?
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Did he know it was coming?
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How many Ukrainians have been killed in this war, do you believe?
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My last question, thank you for taking the time to do this interview, is what can Christians around the world do to help you, churches around the world, believers around the world, do to help you as you try to prevent Zelensky from extinguishing Christianity in Ukraine?
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Why do you suppose Zelensky is doing this? What is his motive?
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Not an elected president at this point. He's gone past his term and there has been no election. So he has, from what I can tell, no authority to do this. By what authority is he doing this?
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The Speaker of the House of the United States Congress is a man who describes himself as a Christian, and he's been paying for this. His name is Speaker Johnson. I'm wondering if there's something that you would like to say to him and other Christians in the U.S. Congress about the fact the money they send is being used to extinguish the largest Christian denomination. What would you say to them?
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We have seen reports that Zelensky and his family have become rich during the war. Do you believe those reports are true?
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I won't keep repeating myself, but that's just such a different way of looking at the conflict, not just in Gaza, but in all the places you just mentioned.
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acknowledging that you know we're on we're sympathetic to one side but both sides have an interest and like they reason can still play a role in this negotiation can play a role dialogue can play a role i i just i haven't heard anybody say that in so long and you've taken an enormous amount of abuse I don't even know if you're aware of it because you're always on an airplane, but like in U.S.
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media and social media, attacking you as like an agent of all kinds of different foreign powers. You know, he's working for Hamas. He's working for the Qataris. Like, does that penetrate at all?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
So I... I've experienced a little bit of this myself, nothing compared to what you've just experienced, but it does seem like some of these criticisms of you are not actually sincere. Nobody really thinks you're like pro Hamas or working for the Qataris. But the point is to throw you off balance and to sort of put a leash around your neck and control you. No doubt. Right? That's the agenda.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
That's the agenda. No doubt. And it seems to have had no effect.
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From all sides, of course.
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I know.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
I didn't realize you went into, that's so, I didn't know. I knew you'd known him forever.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Oh, no, I wanted to be him.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
It's incredible the turns your life has taken. It's just incredible. When you have a chance to sort it out, when all this is over, I think you're going to look at your own life and say, well, that was amazing.
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I believe that.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
But, I mean, clearly, and no one doubts that you speak for the president, that you know what the president wants because you know the president. You actually talk to him. You're not some guy he just hired. And that makes a huge difference. But it also seems like you think through where whoever you're negotiating with is coming from. Like, what do they want?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
It's kind of crazy. Well, it is crazy. And it's connected to what you've been saying for the last 20 minutes, which is you have to understand all sides if you want to affect the outcome that you've decided you want. Correct. Yes. But again, that's a revolutionary development in American diplomacy. And I just am thrilled to see it.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
So finally, the biggest player in all of this, of course, is the government of Israel. What do they want? What is the government of Israel? Leaving aside the population of Israel, I have no idea. But what does the government making these decisions want?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yeah, you don't get that sense, I don't think, from American media. But Israel has always been, you know, there's been a robust debate since, you know, I started going to Israel. You know, they have a very vigorous debate internally about their government. Like it's, you know, people feel free to say.
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And he got elected on, I think, a pretty clear vision of how he wanted to manage the world to the extent that we can. And again, it was, you know, and no more chaos. And to the extent you can avoid it, no more wars. And Americans really responded to that. And the world understands that. Like everyone kind of knows that's the agenda.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And you've said many times, we talk through what we want the outcome to be before we begin the tactical considerations. Yeah. Just in my traveling, there are a lot of Gulf countries that have extensive, much more than people understand, relations with Israel. Some have signed the accord. Others haven't. But they all deal with the Israelis all the time. They're not hostile to the Israelis.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Completely agree. I think the core question is the map. You know, for thousands of years, it's been about the land. What does the map look like? Who controls what? And it's clearly had a destabilizing effect on some of the poor, more populated countries. No doubt. Specifically Jordan and Egypt. A hundred million people in Egypt. Right.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
I think it might be helpful for everybody if there was just a clear picture of when this is all done, here's what we want the map to be, and then we can debate that. Do you have any sense of what the map would look like from Israel's perspective?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Well, what, okay, so Israel's moved into Lebanon and Syria. They're not part of Israel, but they control them. So when all this is over, what does the Israeli government hope to control? And then if that were clear, then I think people would say, you know, they could either live with it or they can't. But it would have a calming effect if people knew what the goal was.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
as a diplomat as a negotiator on behalf of him and you wind up becoming you know probably the most effective negotiator in my lifetime and you have you know you speak for the president I think everyone acknowledges that you're honest and people like you personally so those are obviously the foundations of effective diplomacy but what have you learned about negotiating at a you know on behalf of a country in the last couple months
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Thank you.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
It almost feels forbidden for you to say what you just said. So what does Israel want? Obviously a critical, a Vicky question. But there are other players. And what do they want? And I don't know that I've heard anybody say that out loud ever. Any American say that out loud. And I think you've been criticized for saying that out loud.
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Interesting. So you think by saying two state, I mean, that's a controversial thing to say now. Yeah. Yeah. But obviously you don't care. So do you think the ceasefire that you on the president's behalf got the ceasefire? That was my read anyway. You went to Israel and said the president wants this and you got it. But then it ended. What are the prospects now?
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I can't even imagine. But the story was that you just kind of rolled in and said, here's what we're doing. This is what the president wants.
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When I saw you do that on his behalf, my first thought was, why didn't the Biden people do this? I mean, they lost for a lot of reasons, but one of the reasons they lost was the ongoing Gaza conflict. And that alienated a ton of their voters. I mean, that was a crisis for them. You know, Muslims in Southeast Michigan... Voted for Trump in part because of that. And like a lot of them did.
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Never thought I'd live to see that. And Orthodox Jews voted for him too, which was like amazing. So why didn't, and they knew it was hurting them. Why didn't they do that?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
I'm just laughing because what you're saying is so obviously true. It's prerequisite to getting a deal. And yet it is so different from the posture that – the last couple of generations of diplomats have taken, which is like, here's what we want, shut up and do it. And I just don't think, leaving aside like moral considerations, I don't think that's been very effective.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Do you think there's a hope for a cessation of violence in Gaza like soon? I do.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
There is huge concern, as I know you know, from a lot of the neighboring countries that the conflict in Gaza, which is, of course, streamed in everyone's iPhone – a lot of people will be killed in Gaza, a lot of kids.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And that's inflaming the populations of some of these countries, again, specifically Egypt and Jordan, to such a point that those governments could fall and cause massive chaos, including in Europe. Is that a factor? That worry, is that a factor?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And this being driven by this, being driven by what's happening in Syria, which, of course, Turkey participated in. Erdogan is seen by some in his country as a tool of Israel or... I mean, if you had real problems in Turkey, that would be like a global disaster, of course, because they've got this massive military.
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Good. So if you don't mind, I'd love to. So here's the timeline as I understand it as an observer. So you go over, you deliver the president's message. There is a ceasefire in Gaza, which as you've said five times is a prerequisite to a lot of other things. Like it's hard to do anything with this open wound.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
So you do that and the president says, wow, Steve Witkoff, my friend from the real estate business, like you're really good at this. Sends you to Russia. Is that fair? It's not so far from the truth. It's like I'm watching this because I knew you before and I was like, this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. I'm cheering you, by the way. Where are we there with that conflict, would you say?
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Yes.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
The arrogance of small countries. It's like, get some perspective. I mean, come on. Can you imagine acting like that?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
We want to know and read it on the air. Email tellall at alppouch.com. Tellall at alppouch.com. Give us your Alp story. So Russia, Putin, who's been in power 25 years, has been consistent for the whole duration of his presidency in one demand, which is that NATO stop encroaching on its borders and specifically that Ukraine, which is the largest country that borders Russia, not be in NATO.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And that is my understanding. My certainty is that that still remains the central demand, period. No, Ukraine and NATO can't have peace without that in the same way that Israel doesn't want Hamas in its border. They don't want that. Can the U.S.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And Russia controls that. In fact, some of those territories are now, from the Russian perspective, part of Russia.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
So you spent sort of an amazing story that got downplayed in the media, but you go to Moscow and then you wind up meeting directly with Putin for a long time. Long time. Which is kind of remarkable, I think, considering you're the president's envoy, but you're not. I'm not the president. You're not the president. Exactly right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
So the Russians are very formal, as you know, in every regard, they're very formal. And so you can imagine a scenario where it's like, well, it's not the president. So our president's not going to meet with him.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Every American president until Biden has said that. Every single one. Bill Clinton said that. George W. Bush said that. Barack Obama said that. Every president around the world I've ever spoken to is like, they may disagree with what Russia's doing or whatever, but they're like, you know, Putin's a straightforward guy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
That's why I went over there last year because I thought we're moving toward a nuclear war. And I just feel like if no one's talking to Putin, someone should at least broadcast his views to the world because we could have a war otherwise. That was my thinking anyway.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
It's like a marriage. I mean, you know, you can blame the other person all you want, but you're implicated in it, too. So that's just a fact. That's just it's human nature. So it does raise the question. Everything you've said, I don't think any fair person could everything you've just said about Russia, Ukraine, any fair person would acknowledge. Yeah, that's true. But why?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
There has to be some reason that none of this has been acknowledged for three and a half years. Like why the effort to prevent Americans from hearing the other side, from understanding the conflict in its totality, not just parts of it, but the whole thing. Like why? Why the censorship designed to keep us from knowing what's actually happening?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Do you think Zelensky, the question of Zelensky, I think there are good things to say about Zelensky. I think he's got a kind of bravery, which I admire. I think the Ukrainian military is legit brave, doomed, because they're just fighting a much bigger country. You know, it's not going to win. But I think they've behaved with, you know, valiance. but the Russian position is he's not elected.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And so we can't sign any kind of treaty with him. Do you think there will be elections in Ukraine?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Who's giving him, like, the—I mean, you know, I blame Zelensky, the man, for his behavior in Washington a few weeks ago. But I also blame whoever briefed him before he went into the Oval with the president and vice president. Whoever told him to act that way, and it's clear people did, whether it was Samantha Power or whoever it was, those people—I mean, that was criminally bad advice—
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Do you think he's speaking to realistic, clear eyed people who can, you know, who have the welfare of Ukraine in mind?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Well, they haven't been used in 80 years. They've been used exactly twice in human history.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Then what is – if I can just say, like, what the hell is going on with European – Keir Starmer is saying we're going to send British troops. Their entire military is smaller than the U.S. Marine Corps. The country is dying economically. All those countries are dying economically. Like, what are they thinking? What is that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
It's definitely a better program. I mean, operating on the basis of honesty works. So, okay. I think the president's goal is pretty clear. He said it many times. He campaigned on it. He was elected on it, which is we want stability and peace in the world. It's not good for anybody when we don't have that.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Says the ex-CIA guy to you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yes. That's amazing. So there is, okay, so there's the negotiation that's going on in Eastern Europe between Russia and Ukraine, which you're obviously at the center of. But there's also an informal negotiation going on back in Washington where you have a lot of people with economic interests in this war. I mean, let's just be honest. Certainly ideological interests.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And all of Washington has been mobilized to fight Russia. We are at war with Russia through our proxy Ukraine. And President Trump shows up and is like, applies the brakes, like stands on the brakes. Is that going to get resolved? I think so. You do? I think so. Yeah. It's one thing to deal with the Russians, but to deal with the permanent bureaucracy, that's really tough.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
But to the extent that you understand it, and since you're one of the few people who seems willing to say it out loud, can you just describe the three players in the current conflict, the Middle East, the big ones? Can you go through and tell us what you think each one wants? What's their goal? So Israel? Yes.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Not for any weird agenda other than, that sounds great.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Exactly. But nobody wants that in Washington.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Now. Thank you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Thank you. Thank you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yes.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Thank you.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Amen. But they're often accused... Why almost universally accused in the U.S. media of being agents of Iran?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yeah.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
They have a huge air base there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
So how do you, I mean, without, you know, giving away anything you can.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
And I mean, from an American perspective, it's just hard to even understand what Hamas is thinking. But it's essential to understand. I mean, just as a procedural matter, we need to know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
So is it hard for you to understand? Do you feel like you can effectively communicate with them, even through proxy, and understand what they want and what their red lines are or whatever? Can you negotiate with them?
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yeah, yeah.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
Yes.
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Steve Witkoff’s Critical Role in Negotiating Global Peace, and the Warmongers Trying to Stop Him
That is smart. But how hard was it to come to that conclusion?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
So I've heard you say that the United States is in a civil war, and I think most Americans don't perceive that. Can you tell us what you mean by that?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
What about the field of economics? Can you take kind of the art and the guessing out of this point? So you're saying you have said many times you've written a lot about it, but the need of governments to get down to three percent of GDP with their debt. So or else everything collapses. How do you do that? And all these political consequences, the population doesn't want less money spent on them.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Obviously, you could get, you know, governments falling and stuff. Wouldn't AI just solve that for you? You said it produces strategy.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
I'm so glad, though. So there'll be room for human beings still, even as we're changing DNA and implanting chips in our brains and stuff.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
But I wonder, like, you know, there's still debates. I mean, you're effectively an economist. Debates about supply side versus demand side, like what is the near and far term effect of these economic policies?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Right.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
So, I mean, this will—lots of downsides to AI. Obviously, I dread it. I would end it if I could. But there are upsides, and this sounds like one of them. So, like, if you— Of course. So we have a COVID again, and we're thinking about, should we issue COVID checks? With AI, we can know—
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Is there any way to avoid like totalitarian social controls under AI with AI?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
But as an investor for 50 years.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
OK, so but right. So this is like the opposite of what you've done your whole life where you try to predict, you know, five years. Hence, that's your whole business, right?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
So now you're describing an environment where you can't really know anything about the world in five years.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
A pure extrapolation forward, yeah.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
So those are dumb people you're saying making those comments.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
But in this specific, I mean, that's always true and wise people understand that. Like you don't, you're not in control of the future. Of course, you're not God. But in this specific case where there are specific technologies whose development we understand because we're watching it, it almost feels like there's no human agency here.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Like not one person ever suggests like, well, why don't we just stop the development of the technologies by force?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
I don't know. I mean, there are all kinds of pernicious, long-standing things that we've stopped, like the global slave trade. The Brits are like, we're not for this, we're stopping it.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
No, Britain stopped it.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
I think that's right.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
I get it. I determine nation. probably can't stop this. So that, my second question is, you keep hearing that there's this AI race between the United States and China. Yeah. Is it true that one country will be completely dominant by the end of this race and that that will be meaningful or?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
So the way our leaders in the United States have dealt with it over the past 30 years has just been to ignore it. Completely just ignore it.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Does the combination of AI and robotics bring manufacturing back to the United States?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Our inventiveness, you just said, and many have said, comes from our education system, from our universities. But then you began the conversation by saying that AI is already- And foreigners.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
But those, the people you're describing have come to our universities. That's basically. That's right. Silicon Valley's there because Stanford's there. That's right. I was in a restaurant the other night, in fact, this weekend, and I had a little trouble hearing what people were saying. And I thought to myself, I'm a little young to go deaf. Why?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
But you began the conversation by saying that AI is now at the point where, you know, the machines have the equivalent knowledge of a PhD in every different topic. So, like, at some point, are you going to have universities?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
As long as human decision-making plays a role, I'm totally fine with it. Yeah. You say that the university is going to change. I mean, how could it not? I thought the internet was going to get rid of universities. It didn't happen. But, I mean, how long does it take for the current model to change? It's pretty resistant to change.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
There's been no advance in changing human nature over time, right? I mean, lots of technological advance, no advance in getting along with each other.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Last question. You didn't, I don't think you grew up in like a billionaire world.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Well, so that's kind of my question. Now you live, obviously, in a billionaire world, which is, where do you run into more happy people?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
So what accounts, I mean, there are a million ways to measure this and all of them. Do you agree? Well, of course I agree. Of course I agree. And I agree with you that every measurement shows the same result, which is the country is polarized.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Completely. And we're not sure how it's resolved. But I think it's also worth pausing to ask, what was the change that led to the polarization that was unimaginable even 35 years ago? Um.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
but it's driven by the wealth gap?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Technology is part of the reason that we're here.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
But we're on the edge of this AI transformation, which seems like it's going to accelerate the trends that have led us to where we are right now. So what do you, I mean, if artificial intelligence, you know, increases efficiency but leaves an even greater number of people without meaningful work in the United States, what happens?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Yes.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
But since you know everybody and you spend your life talking to everybody and you're one of the world's biggest investors, so you're taking these questions seriously. Are you familiar with a game plan in progress?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
At all?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
That seems crazy.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Well, to be more specific about it, I would say the people developing the technologies. So they would be various Chinese companies, of course, but also Google and Microsoft, Sam Altman.
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
No, no, no. I'm merely saying if I'm unleashing something on the global population, then I think it's fair to ask me, like, what do you expect to happen to everybody?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Clearly we are. Clearly we are. How are they resolved? I mean, clearly they can be resolved through violence, but what are the other ways you resolve the kind of conflict we have?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
I know. I'm 55. I'm still disappointed. But you're absolutely right. And I'm not here to sort of inspire a moral lecture from you or deliver one. I just want to kind of know what you think is going to happen. So you have these technologies. Is it fair to say that they really are as transformative there as big a deal is?
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
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Ray Dalio: America’s Hidden Civil War, and the Race to Beat China in Tech, Economics, and Academia
Can you give us some concrete examples that you believe will come to pass in the next few years? What will change that we at this point can understand?
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
But in those specific communities, in the richest, best educated communities, you know, I don't think you saw a lot of thank you, Dr. Fauci signs in Gary, Indiana or Detroit. You saw them in Bethesda, you know, Santa Monica, Brookline, D.C.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
Prepared with vaccines.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
In fact, I would replace the word pragmatic with humane.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
Your job was just to heal.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
Yeah.
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
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Jenner Furst: Secret Chinese Biotech Programs, and the Documentary That Could Put Dr. Fauci in Jail
Maybe. Maybe there's another explanation. One of the things that I learned but never hadn't known before was that there are a lot of people in our public health establishment who think vaccines are the point. The point. And this has gone on. I've never been against vaccines and, you know, always been grateful for the Salk vaccine, etc. Took a bunch of vaccines myself.
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but I always assumed that they were sort of tools used by physicians to heal people, to save people from illness. I didn't realize that this mindset was very different from that. They were almost like vaccines were the point. And this goes back, you know, I mean, Diego Rivera, I think, painted a mural panel about vaccines. Like the worship of vaccines is,
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For their own sake is longstanding, and I don't understand it. What is that? Do you have any insight?
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I want to go through what actually happened. First, I want to thank you for making this. But I want, because everything is so politicized, particularly COVID, I just want to be clear for our viewers who you are. You know, opposition to COVID policy, to mandatory vaccination, questions about where the virus came from. These are kind of staples on the right.
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But the nature of an mRNA vaccine, as distinct from conventional vaccines, is risky.
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But, I mean, I think a layman would say correctly that in doing that, you're potentially tampering with the formula of life, right?
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Yes. And the idea of an mRNA vaccine itself sort of raises a lot of questions. Are you sure that's a good idea? I mean, what if it actually, what if it does change your DNA? That's not crazy to think that.
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It did. We can say that.
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That, you know, I remember hosting guests who suggested that early and were, like, banished from public life. Yeah. All but arrested for saying that. Now we know it's true, but do we know the ramifications of that?
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Well, they're living organisms, for one thing. They're not static, so you can't fully understand them.
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They weren't at the time, by the way, I can tell you, but they are now. And, you know, silence and signs that say thank you, Dr. Fauci are sort of signifiers of liberalism.
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I don't quite know how that happened, but it did. Where are you?
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I've interviewed a lot of documentary filmmakers. I've never met one able to explain his subject matter as clearly as you are. So thank you for that. I just want to go back to something you said at the beginning. You said that COVID first made an appearance outside the lab in August of 2019.
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That summer.
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My wife got sick in November in Spain.
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So that implies you don't think the politics drove it. Politics was a tool that the people behind this used to subdue the population.
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I know the feeling very well. I know the feeling. Yeah, I mean, I didn't understand. I still don't understand a lot of it. I have many more questions for you, but I went on the basis of instinct, and it was just clear that there was lying. There had never been an effective COVID measure. coronavirus vaccine, and there had been a disaster with the previous coronavirus vaccine.
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I remember that very well. And so I just thought, you know, I don't know what this is, but it doesn't smell good. I'm not putting it in my body. But I had no idea that it could be this dark. I agree with you completely. So... Let's just get back to, I just want to tie up one.
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No, no, we're not editing this.
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No, you're telling a wonderfully coherent story. I really, I've never seen, as I said, a filmmaker explain a thesis this succinctly and in such a linear way. It's amazing. There's just a lot. But I just want to go back very quickly to the question of the mRNA virus vaccine. Freudian slip. Exactly. Changing people's DNA.
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I mean, that feels like an underappreciated headline that will have civilizational effects. Do we have any sense of what that means?
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Can I say one of the smartest people I know, I was legit much smarter than I am, said to me, people who take the vax are different. I'm just telling you that. And I said, you know, you're a lunatic. And he said, they're different. I can tell. I can feel it. They're different. And they're more passive, for one thing.
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And they're more likely to sort of go along with things that before vaccinated they would have known were not true. It saps your will. It changes you. I noticed this. And I didn't buy it really because how would a vaccine change you as a person? But I never forgot it. And so I do wonder, like, are there indications?
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Yes.
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Did you get COVID? I got COVID. It felt different.
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Your will to live. And- I've been depressed one day in my entire life. 55 years, I have one day of depression. And it was when I had COVID. Right.
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But I never understood what people meant when they said, I feel depressed. I've been sad, of course, many times, which I think is healthy, but I've never had a feeling of hopelessness or true bleak nihilistic despair ever, not one time in my life until Thanksgiving 2020 when I had COVID. And I couldn't believe it. I was worried.
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You're not 80.
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Is because it was engineered and because genetics play a determinative role in illness and our response to viruses and our response to everything, is it conceivable that whether by engineering or not, that certain genetic makeups are more susceptible to illness?
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I feel like pounding my fist on the table in agreement. That's so nicely put. Okay, let's start at the beginning. What was this virus? Where did it come from?
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So do we know whether the virus escaped intentionally or by accident?
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So, I mean, that doesn't prove, but it certainly suggests, you know, an intentional act.
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Yes, it was a military lab, effectively.
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No.
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Exactly.
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So the form of research that created it is called often called gain of function and which in crude terms effectively makes a virus its manipulation of a virus to make it more dangerous in order, say, researchers to create more effective vaccines against it. I think that's correct. That's the company line. That's the company line. But it's so self-evidently reckless.
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The big question here is why would the United States be working directly with what most people assume is its main enemy, China, to create a virus that disproportionately hurts the United States and then once caught doing it, covered it up on behalf of China? And that cover-up continues.
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There are no, I mean, the economic cost alone of the United States is hard to calculate, but it's, you know, biggest ever. And there's no call for reparations from China for this.
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Yeah. Most people in their 30s now, I guess you said you're 40, but they're not buying houses.
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Like this is a renting society post-COVID. Sure. And... It'll completely transform the social structure of the United States forever.
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Right.
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That it was banned or sort of banned under the Obama administration. Is this correct?
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Couldn't agree more. And there are a lot more of them than there ever have been, ever, at any point in our history. Huge. I'm very aware of that. So the question of why does Washington continue to cover it up might be answered just by noting because they're the beneficiaries of it and they've got something to hide. So like, why would they?
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Yep.
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I agree.
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I agree. I mean, that's what that's what in the end the trans stuff does is it does serve both parties, actually. And I think the race hatred that has been imposed on us is not organic, does the same. It's it's all intentional.
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It hurts both sides. Well, it destroys your society, ultimately. But it definitely distracts people from, you know, other things. You know, go hate each other. Leave us alone as we elude it.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah. And he's not the only one who got assassinated for moving in that direction. A lot of people. Yeah. So I just want to touch on the public health response after the virus became universal. And you talked about why you think there was relentless focus on vaccines, the exclusion of other vaccines.
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uh potential remedies um medicines but masking you know physical separation of people it was super obvious right away those were not effective but they they were policy for years after that what was that i think that
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Do you think we're getting the outline of the public health disasters caused by the COVID virus and by the lockdowns? I mean, are we getting a sense of what the consequences are?
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That's a fair assumption.
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China had the World Military Games, as you said, but it also sent, you know, hundreds of thousands of its citizens around the world, including from central China around Wuhan, including to Milan, Italy and all of Western Europe. And after they knew that this pandemic had begun, that the virus was on the loose. How do you explain that?
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Those are big facts to keep secret for five years. Yeah.
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So, I don't understand. I know I keep beginning every sentence, but I don't understand.
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Well, after five years, where are the people, where are the courageous people in the media or the Congress or the executive branch? Where are the courageous physicians, the researchers, the NIH?
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Wonderful, wonderful man.
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And he's a decent human being.
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He's got no weird agenda. I totally agree.
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Yep.
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Russia.
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And do we have any sense of what the effect will be?
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Mortality?
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So why were there bio labs in Ukraine?
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It's not a conspiracy theory.
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The Undersecretary of State announced it in the Senate hearing.
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Thank you, Dr. Fauci. So I lived at the beginning of COVID in Northwest D.C. where I'd been most of my life, and there were actual yard signs that said, thank you, Dr. Fauci.
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It'd be like, oh, wait. But why would you have bio labs in a war zone? I don't understand.
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Their regulations are weak. Well, that tells you everything right there. I mean, if you're, you know, if I'm looking for a place to construct a bio lab, I'm thinking, I don't know, Geneva.
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I'm not thinking the poorest country in Europe, the most corrupt country in Europe, Ukraine. I mean, why would you do that? Because they're the most... you know, capable scientists or they're not.
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So just that specific question, Toria Newell announces, we've got biolabs in Ukraine. What? A few people I noticed, I did a segment on it, immediately attacked by CNN, conspiracy theorist. I don't want to single out CNN, but I think when we look, you know, 10 years from now, if we're still here, we'll see that the pandemic was kind of the high point, the apogee of their power.
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Like, maybe the last moment CNN could actually... have an effect on the country. They had so much power and time and again, it was not an accident. They were saying things they knew weren't true, but that were consistent with the storyline from people like Fauci. Like, what was that?
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Oh, I almost got fired over it.
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I agree with that.
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Maybe. I worked at CNN before Fox started, and it was... it was the same idea. I mean, that's a complicated question.
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is driven by this kind of insanity and it's a miracle that you made it out honestly well i was fired but um it's a blessing you were fine oh i agree but no my question is not like are they good people or not i mean obviously i know them i spent my life there but the question is like what are the mechanisms that the government uses to control media coverage that's an interesting question
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Right. So we're getting back to where you started, which was by saying, I thought astutely, that what you're looking at are powers bigger than nation states, more powerful than nation states. And when you say agency capture, it's not just in the strict sense of a federal agency. It's agency, which is to say the freedom to do what you want. You know, agency, like human agency. Sure.
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The government doesn't have agency, actually, because it's subject to powers bigger than itself. Right.
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I still don't use that.
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It's a dog whistle. I agree. And I hate using it because I feel like a freaking wacko because I lived in D.C. for so long, family worked for the government, and... I just always scoffed at people who use that term. But of course, it's completely real.
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They were right. And some of the people I disliked most, I'll just say it. They were right about that. They were.
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Yeah.
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So it's funny. I mean, I started in cable TV in 1995. That's 30 years. And it was only in the last couple of years. I think it was Bobby Kennedy or someone who's thought about it more than I had said to me this exact thing. The point is not. And I wondered, like, who's buying this? Who's asking his doctor for Rebelsis? Nobody. The point is to control the news organization. Correct. Right.
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It's not a consumer play.
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Right. I didn't understand that. I don't. I was too close to it. These. That's true.
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No, that's it. It's your stock price. There's no doubt. I mean, that's a real thing. No, I ran up against it. I didn't understand it at the time. I mean, the problem with hosting a nightly show is it doesn't leave you a lot of time for reflection outside of your area. So, you know, you pick a topic in the morning and then you spend all day thinking about it.
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Presumably you've thought about it before, but you're thinking about your script and what to write. But it's just hard to see the context for anything, of course, right? You're distracted. So...
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Right.
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I have too many questions. I don't want to overwhelm you with unrelated questions.
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A lot of them were Republican senators, actually. Correct. Yeah. And chairman of intel committees. Yes.
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So let me just go back before I lose the thread. You mentioned this has been going on since the anthrax attacks, which really were the pretext that Fauci used to grab all this money and power.
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Well, you've got to believe in our business. You've got to really sincerely believe that saying the truth out loud is a necessary step, whether or not it solves the problem. But without that, you definitely can't solve any problems.
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Well, that is a core precept of both Judaism and Christianity. Yeah. In the beginning was the word.
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And, no, that's absolutely right. And I personally believe that because, I mean, I know it. But just in a political context, just on a policy level, you can't fix a problem until someone stands up and says, actually, here's what it is. Yeah.
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Their products are more dangerous. I mean, I'd much rather have my kids use tobacco than SSRIs. Sorry.
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So last question, you've alluded to this a couple of times, but what effect has this had on your life?
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Oh, I noticed. Like an invasion of Iraq.
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Well, that is true, man. That is the truest.
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So I remember that vividly. I had white powders into my house, had the bio team come at that, you know, 2001, I'll never forget it. Um, But we never really got a definitive answer on who sent. I mean, there was the person accused. First, Stephen Hatfield was accused falsely by the media, including the media organization I worked for at the time.
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And then there was another guy that's exactly who's since died.
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But I don't think, so you told me before we went on that you're from Brookline, Massachusetts originally. I spent most of my life in Northwest DC. They're very similar, well-educated, affluent, enormous self-regard. You know, these are communities that think a lot of themselves. And it was those communities in retrospect that were the ones that posted the thank you, Dr. Fauci signs.
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Do you think he did it? Do you think he was murdered?
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Am I imagining that?
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Conor McGregor, thanks a lot for having us. This is one of the great, Dublin's one of the great cities in the world.
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That's tuckerforhillsdale.com to enroll for free. So in the conversations I've had with people in Dublin, every single person I've talked to has said the same thing, which is Irish people can no longer afford houses. Their kids can't afford to get married and their kids can't afford to have kids and they can't afford to have kids.
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You know, the Irish family of 12 children doesn't exist anymore, in part because no one can afford that. And yet your government is subsidizing immigrants to have kids. Yeah. And that's true in my country too, in Australia, in New Zealand, in Canada, in the UK. What is that? Suicide is what it is.
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So the people of Ireland build something and then your government sells it to foreigners and then you have to pay for it.
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So just for foreigners watching this, you're talking about parking and minor traffic violations.
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It's to steal money from you.
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They cannot.
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But if they're paying foreigners to have kids, well, you can't afford to have kids. If they're shaking you down with the armed police, but allowing foreigners... a pass, if they're paying to fix foreigners' cars but not yours, they hate you and they're trying to kill you, right?
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Obviously.
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So let me ask you this. So a lot of political movement or one political movement in particular in Ireland had support from rich Irish Americans for years. The Republicans, the nationalists here had support from donors in the United States. Do you think Irish Americans in the U.S., a lot of whom are rich, understand what's happening in this country?
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Why doesn't someone overthrow the government? Here? Yeah, I mean, that's like an act of war against your country. I mean, I shouldn't say that to you because I don't want to get you in trouble. Look, I'm statesman-like.
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Boy, you've heard a lot of complaining in the last couple of weeks since Donald Trump announced his new import tariffs on foreign-made things. A lot of people don't like it. But the companies who make American products in America with American materials, they're pretty happy. They're not affected by this. They've been doing the right thing since the beginning.
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Why?
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We are peaceful. We are not harmless. Fact. Amen. You could be describing the United States in everything you just said, that all the conversations about foreign policy in our country, it's about the Middle East, who cares? Eastern Europe, double who cares? And very little about what's happening to the people of our country. And you feel that here.
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Into small towns. This is what they've done in the United States. They move them into small towns around the country. So then your country's gone and you don't even know it.
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Are they doing that here?
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It's changing the religious composition of your country, which since St. Patrick has been a Catholic country, you had Anglican overlords from across the water, but it's been a Catholic country for over a thousand years. So now they're trying to put a refugee center in a Christian holy site town in Ireland. I was reading this. It's hard to think that's not on purpose.
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Yeah, it is purposeful for sure. Is anyone saying anything about this? Like in your media?
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So your biggest media company, state media, it's like North Korean state media. It's called RTE. Yeah. And it literally is an organ of the state, which is amazing. But then you have social media and you tweeted on social media, Ireland, we're at war.
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You obviously are. What was the reaction from the government to that tweet?
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You can never get a straight answer from these people.
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Wait, an Algerian stabbed Irish children, but it was your fault somehow?
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I think that's true in the U.S. too. I think our FBI is totally corrupt, as I'm sure you've read. I think most FBI agents are probably appalled, but too afraid to do anything. How long, if nothing changes, will Ireland remain Ireland, do you think? How much time do you have before it's just not victory?
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It's awful here, I just want to say that.
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Feels that way. So how did you, just back to my original question, you're a plumber's apprentice on an industrial site in Ireland, cutting cast iron pipes and replacing them or whatever you're doing, probably something like that. And then you wind up here thinking about running for president with these very evolved political views. How did that happen?
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So when you started fighting, as you said, you're a plumber's apprentice on an industrial site. And then you announce in public a few years after that, you haven't heard of me, but I'm gonna be the world champion. And then you were.
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Five times. Five times. Did you know that you were going to be or were you trying to put your marker out and then live up to it?
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What did you think of President Trump?
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So you're not necessarily against the tariffs, it doesn't sound like.
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Yes.
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Since no Irish politician Well, you're one of the most, maybe the most famous living Irishman. Okay, so there's that, world famous. And you're saying things that the overwhelming majority of your politicians will not say that are probably pretty popular with the people. So you're therefore a massive threat to the structure running your country now.
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What do you think they're going to do to you if you keep talking this way?
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You're really not afraid at all?
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When do you have to make the decision about whether you want to formally enter politics?
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You've described yourself as an employer. You said that a couple of times. Tell us about the businesses you employ people in.
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Public houses, meaning we would call them bars. Pubs, yeah. Not public housing.
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How do you, I want to get to how you know all this and how you've distilled it to such a, to its essence. I mean, that was such an amazing description, not just to what's happening here, but throughout the West, the English.
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Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Great Britain, which has already gone.
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Do you really sincerely, be honest, think that your beer is better than Guinness?
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It's just a little weird. I guess I didn't realize that Guinness was an English company.
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And they were, yeah.
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Interesting.
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No, I had a Guinness no alcohol last night.
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Yeah, it was okay. Yeah. That's nice. So in sad news, I know you said you're a, you know, looking at the bright side kind of guy, but Rosie O'Donnell has moved here. If you're president and you tackle the immigration crisis, and I do think Pakistan and India take a lot of the blame for it, Africa, but also Rosie O'Donnell, would you deport her?
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But you could feel that she was going through something.
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That's it. Well, you're a very, very decent man, I have to say. Last question. Do you think that Ireland is like famously a spiritual country? You know, your patron Saint Patrick, after whom the day is named, you know, was a Christian leader. And you think of Ireland as like a very religious country. It's not really anymore. Do you think it's becoming more spiritually aware or less?
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So you feel that?
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What was it like growing up here? Where did you grow up? What were the circumstances? What was Ireland like as you were growing up?
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Was it growing up rough?
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But it wasn't a rich neighborhood you grew up in?
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So you're 17. What did you, how far did you get in school?
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And- I mean, I've only been here two days, but I'm a little bit confused by it, because Ireland is not like the United States in that you have an indigenous population of Celtic people called the Irish, who've been here since the beginning of known history. And so it's not like you were invaders. You were also never a colonial power. You never invaded anybody else.
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You didn't have overseas colonies. You just kind of stayed on your island and brewed alcoholic beverages.
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You never bothered anybody. You don't have any national crimes to atone for. So I come here to Dublin, your biggest city, and not one advertisement on any public space has Irish people in it.
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And it's clearly part of the same propaganda campaign. Yeah. Like make white people hate themselves, make white people feel ashamed to be white, white people are criminals. It's like, okay, but why would they, who's doing that to you and why? Like, what is that?
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And you have a very distinct thousand-year-old or older culture that's based on Irishness, the indigenous population of the island that we're on right now. And they're being replaced at super high speed. So you have said immigration is treason, mass migration is treason. Describe the scale of it to Ireland and its effects.
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A ticket to run for president.
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I do not even... Well, wait, hold on. This is a democracy, supposedly. Why can't you run for president?
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So you can't just run for president? You can't just run for president. So how is it a democracy?
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Are you going to do it anyway?
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No, I'm not, actually. I'm just the opposite. I'm thinking you've got a claim on being the greatest country. You've got a claim, for sure. You do.
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But so why wouldn't... I know the media here hates you, but I've never understood why. I mean, you're not calling for invading anybody or throwing anyone in prison, maybe other than your corrupt leadership. You sound like they deserve it. Why would they hate you?
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You can make a claim to that. Walk around Dublin for a day and then think of five better cities. Not possible. It's an amazing place. It's an amazing country. How's the country doing?
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CNN has described you as the leader, and I'm quoting, of Ireland's far right. Who has? CNN, which is a news channel in the United States. CNN.
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It was allowed to happen, but by whom and why and how? Yeah. And I don't hear anybody, including Republicans, asking those questions. So like, what is this?
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Is it true? And by the way, did the drone fly over the podium and the place where Trump was?
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He gets somehow a range finder onto the site through a Secret Service screen?
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Why would you have a rangefinder?
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Wouldn't, I mean, the first priority would be to establish communication between all law enforcement agencies on site, right? Yeah. I mean, that just seems like obvious.
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Um, can I ask how Crooks knew that this one cluster of buildings was the one place in the whole area that was outside the security perimeter? How would you know that?
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It's absolutely... Do we ever find out why those buildings were not under surveillance just because it was such an obvious shooting platform?
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So it sounds like... there was a blind spot, an entire quadrant that they weren't even looking at.
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It's not their job to protect the candidate or the president.
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The candidate shot in the face and that's a possible?
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Oh, like Michael Byrd, you murder someone and you're the victim?
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The problem is that these are the bodyguards. And so, you know, in the Ottoman court, everyone was afraid of the bodyguards. Right? That's who runs your coup. That's exactly. We're getting to like the most basic facts of life, which is the armed people are in charge.
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And so, you know, you hate to think that's the rule in America, but do you think it's possible that people were afraid to mess with the Secret Service because no one wants to mess with the bodyguards?
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It wouldn't shock me.
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I mean, that's like the most, you know, that's the most basic interest of anybody is not to get shot to death. Right. Yeah. And, you know, I'm speculating to some extent, but you do wonder, I always wondered and I asked, like, if you're the Trump campaign, why don't you make a, I mean, I think or I know that Trump thinks he doesn't want to whine about being shot.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
because you seem weak when you want. They tried to shoot me. You know, he downplayed it on purpose. And I think that was a manly thing to do, was impressive thing to do. There's dignity in that. I admire it. However, like it is kind of important to find out what happened. And I always suspected that maybe, you know, they felt a little bit threatened because they've got a campaign.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
They've got months more of campaigning to do. They want to do outdoor venues. Trump loves outdoor venues. He's brave. He's obviously physically brave. We know that. On the other hand, do you really want to piss off your bodyguards? I mean, do you think that is part of the dynamic here?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It always does.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I was in a restaurant the other night, in fact, this weekend, and I had a little trouble hearing what people were saying. And I thought to myself, I'm a little young to go deaf. Why? Well, because I grew up shooting, bird hunting, target shooting. And I remember my father saying, just stick a Marlboro filter in your opposite ear and you'll be fine. I wish we'd had suppressors, but we didn't.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
So that's an entire magazine worth of... I mean, you could fire an entire... Oh, easy. With an AR, you could easily unload a mag. Wow, that is crazy town.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yes.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
That's a scary gun.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Really? Is that what they use?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
That ends the conversation. So that's for people who don't shoot, that's so much larger than the .223 or .556 round that Crooks is shooting.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I had someone come to my range, just at my house, and with his grandfather's 300 Win Mag, we were just shooting on Sunday afternoon. He just charges the thing. And I was like, man, no more of that. That's too loud.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It shakes my molars.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, he didn't suffer. Not with a 210 grain from a 300 win mag. Wow. So tell me about the cop who says he shot Crooks.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But there's no evidence that he did.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, it sounds like he stopped the shooting.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Whether he hit him or not, he absolutely did. So a magazine has obviously more than eight rounds in it. And I assume Crooks did as well. He had unfired rounds in the mag when the rifle was recovered, right?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
No, but he still had ammunition in the magazine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So what I'm asking is, it sounds like the local cops stopped the shooting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Exactly. So it was not the Secret Service that stopped this assassination attempt. It was local cops.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Wow. 15 seconds, as noted, is a very long time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
So, thank you for starting with your conclusion. Let's work backward and go through by number the three questions that you raised at the outset. Who was Crooks, Thomas Crooks, the shooter?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
There's no way you could know. I mean, it's impossible to know.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Unless you were looking at someone looking there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
So three people were shot, two in addition to President Trump.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
you know, right next to my producer, like right next to him, which is wild. Yeah, it was right there. He said he was covered in blood. Yeah, I'm only saying that because there's a lot of drama. It's not just Trump getting shot in the face. Yeah, a man died. Yeah, he was murdered. And two others were shot. Do we know anything about them or how they fared?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I haven't heard anybody ask those questions. I've heard some dark mutterings. And so you're one of the people I think was on the story at the very beginning in a rational but insistent way. And so I thought it'd be worth asking, like, what was that?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
These are .22 caliber bullets, just to be clear. Yep.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Right. Yeah. But the bullet itself is .22 caliber. Yep. Yep. These are tiny. Very small.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
The point is the velocity. Exactly. How fast they're going. But it's not a 210-grain Hornady Tip 300 mag. Right. Which you could not mistake for anything but like a bullet. Right. Yeah. So, wow. Okay. So, we know nothing about the shooter. We know nothing about why he did this, his beliefs, who he spoke to. We know nothing about him. He's a cipher. No, literally nothing.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
He's the only 20-year-old with no social media presence. And apparently no cutlery, silverware in his house? No.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
One of my daughters just told me that.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But we still don't know anything about him or why he did this. We also don't know why, according to your account, why the Secret Service made this like colossal error in judgment and just like left out an entire quadrant of a potential field of fire, just kind of ignored it. We don't know why.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But we do know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But even that, is it true that Dr. Jill Biden, America's, I think, most famous research scientist.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But is it true that she was having an event and that that bled off like manpower that could have been used at the Trump event?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Dr. Jill.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Um, and okay. So that's a whole lot of, we don't knows like, um, so your third question was what happened after to everybody?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Nothing.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
OK, so what do you think this adds up to? You said you were vacillating between two and three. Can you remind us what?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Where did she go when she retired, by the way?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Or a University of California school. Right. But no, we don't know where she is now. Yeah. So, but it's not clear why they denied or who denied.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Bobby Kennedy was denied Secret Service protection. You know, they didn't want to run against him. They'd rather he be dead. Clearly. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. But that's such sinister behavior. I mean, that's a kind of attempted murder, really. So I just don't understand how, I mean, disobedience to the regime is punished immediately. Tax evasion is punished immediately.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But like attempted murder is not.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
The media really are a player in all this. They're not just like dupes. They're not just, you know, the PR office for the regime. They are like players. They are active participants in, you know, totalitarianism, I would say.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
How could that happen? Somebody leaked it. But how would someone know who he was?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But it's interesting that they would know it was the son because it was the father on the ATF record. He's the one who purchased the rifle. But somehow CNN and NBC knew that it was not the father but the son.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I was just thinking that to be active participants in the repression of a population by its government is like pretty, it's like capo behavior. It's like really, really dark and evil. And that's who they are. I spent 10 years there, I know.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
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And right now they are scheming to do the same thing to the second Trump administration. They are determined to keep their stranglehold on power, regardless of elections, anti-democratically. That is a fact. So what do you do to fight them? How do you defeat the deep state?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
They're players. They're players. And they're big players. That's why they hate the internet so much.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
yeah that's not surprising and then let's imagine you're seeing anything you got this great scoop what are you getting out of informing a father of that because they didn't report it right well they do a lot that they don't report yeah a lot including in the roger stone raid i mean they were participants in political repression uh cheerleaders for it but not just cheerleaders they were like part of the process yep they were used by the biden administration to
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, that was actually the Trump administration.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Right. It's just crazy that that could have happened. The lack of control over the federal agencies by the executive, by the White House. It's like, I hope we never see that again because that's really dark. But anyway, yeah. CNN, very, very bad. Is there – I know I've asked the same question 15 times, but I just – I can't believe there's no real answer here.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
We don't know anything about who Crooks talked to? No.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Except when they do the one thing that they do do, which is to preserve the total control over the United States by the national security state. And so you're seeing this right now where, you know, committee chairman in the Congress are saying to the incoming administration, no, no, no. It has to be all deep staters like you can't have.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Tulsi Gabbard or anyone like Tulsi Gabbard, it's all got to be, you know, John Ratcliffe or someone, you know, we know and who's obviously under our control. And they're insistent on that, exercising that power, which I find really interesting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, it's certainly been that way. I mean, like we know for a fact it's been that way since right around late November of 1963. Like we just know that. So, but I agree. I mean, I just think it goes back to, you know, the Second World War.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
They had some practice rounds. It's just interesting that this seems like one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you, and I do think you're probably the most informed person in all media, though I don't know if you'd admit to being in media, but do you think of yourself as in media?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I know. It's funny, you and Schellenberger, two of my favorite, right at the top of my favorite journalist list, and neither one of you started out intending to do this or went to journalism school. You're both doing completely different things. It's interesting.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
No, it's interesting though. Journalists I respect more are all people who could be doing something else, making a lot more money, who didn't set out to do this, just sort of out of curiosity and patriotism and patriotism. you know, kind of like moral responsibility or doing it. So, and you're in that category. So thank you.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But anyway, the reason I want to talk to you was it felt like you can do something as obvious as set up a shooting of Donald Trump in the summer of an election year and get away with it. Like then you're still in control of everything.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I know. Yeah, I know. That was not just considering, but that was that was like a much discussed.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It was done Monday afternoon. That was Saturday.
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Make sure he doesn't get to reproduce.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Leaked the fact that J.D. was going to speak at that rally? Or leaked that, like, he had basically been picked. Oh, no, that was known. Well, I knew that. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, I did.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
No, not really. I'm, like, living in some weird rural place in Maine. But, no, I knew that. Absolutely. And a lot of people knew that. I mean, all the people I know who knew that are good people who love Trump. But I mean, I'm not suggesting I'm not suggesting anything, but I'm just in point of fact, a lot of people.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But there was at least one subsequent attempt, assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life. Were there others?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah, but I mean, after mid-July, were there, do you think, other attempts?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
you know i don't know but i you know i think i think there might have been no you just didn't hear about him i think that's entirely i would totally i would i would buy that yeah so um who was the west the west palm guy was like that one is so much wackier than the butler one all these members of congress yeah well he i think there's a photo of him with um that stupid chef that stupid commie chef what's his name i don't have a tv
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I mean, it's Congress. They can shut the FBI down. Like, I don't understand what is going on. Yeah, and you had the other grounds. Would they not turn that over?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It's just, it's all so incredible. Yeah. So do you, the members, I just want to put it on the record, the members of Congress, you said that the two committee inquiries were pretty good.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Is this the end of the inquiry?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I kind of feel like there's so much going on in the world right now that, you know, maybe people just kind of forget to ask.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I remember when Natalie Holloway disappeared in Aruba. Yeah. And I worked in cable news then. And we spent, you know, approximately three years talking about it every day. You know, no disrespect to Natalie Holloway or the inherent significance of a story about a dead American.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It's important, but yeah, no, that was, and you sort of wonder what else was going on while we were talking about Natalie Holloway.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah, I've gone back and thought of all the time I wasted with Gary Condit. Oh, man. You know, how much time did we spend looking into what happened on 9-11 right around zero? Just repeating all the dumb talking points, they hate us for our freedoms and all that stuff, and not asking obvious questions. Some people were celebrating it. Who were those people? And like, what is this?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Mistakes were made. It's all still classified, so you can't know. Yeah. Interesting. So... The obvious question is, why aren't other elected officials so anxious to get to the bottom of this? Because it has implications for them. When this happened, my wife said, you know, are we ever going to find out what this was? And I said, with false confidence, absolutely.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
One thing members of Congress care about is not being assassinated. So, like, they have every vested interest in finding out what this was and in making the right reforms so they can stay safe themselves. I turn out to be completely wrong.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
You worked in the Senate. You worked for Tom Coburn of Oklahoma. God rest his soul. So you can answer this question. But as I just look onto the Congress where I've never worked, but it seems like the single most corrupt or certainly the most infuriating part of the Congress is the Republicans in the Senate. Oh, my gosh.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yes. It's not Alexandria O.C. or whatever she's calling herself. You know, it's like a buffoon. But, and at least has, you know, 10% sincerity in my read. But I look at some of the Republicans, you know, Rish and some of these guys, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is really sinister.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It's too life-affirming for the Senate. Exactly. He's killing babies. If he was an abortionist, that would have been fine.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Why isn't every—I mean, there seems to be something peculiarly, specifically wrong with the dynamic among Republicans in the Senate. I don't know what that—like, they seem more committed to betraying their voters than any other group I've ever seen in politics.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah. I mean, do you see it changing at all?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Ongoing investigation.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Well, no, and I would, you know, I'd rather die. But what's interesting is it's not on questions like, you know, we spent all this time on the tranny question, which I think is inherently important. And I do think if you eliminate sex differences, civilization collapses because they're built on sex differences. That's my view. So I'm completely aligned. I couldn't be more pro-life.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
And there are tons of Republicans in both houses who agree with all that or say they do or do a good job of pretending it's fine. It's the national security intel stuff, the police power stuff, surveillance power stuff. Man, they are – that's what they take serious. That's what they actually care about. Have you noticed this?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I mean, way more evil than like, you know, I think Head Start was a disaster, Social Security is bankrupting the country, Medicare, you know, there's all these problems with social workers, but... you don't look at that and say the people who started that are evil. They're just, like, dumb or they didn't foresee the consequences of what they were doing.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But, like, the people who, you know, cheered the murder of Gaddafi or never admitted they lied about weapons of mass destruction or the people pushing, you know, claiming that we should lower the conscription age in Ukraine to 18 because we haven't killed enough Ukrainians after a million have died or been wounded.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
And not just because they were killed or disabled. We're only looking at a small part of that. I've known some of them well. It's killing people is bad for you. And, you know, sometimes you have to kill people. I mean, you do. If I have a home invader and my wife and kids are going to kill a guy, I would sleep soundly after killing him. I mean, you have to.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
but ultimately killing people is bad and is bad for the person who kills. And we don't even acknowledge that. And I just know a lot of them. So I've seen it and it's, would you want that on you?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Not because you're afraid of being killed. It's because you're afraid of killing and you should be. Like it's a very heavy thing to ask someone to do and then not to acknowledge it. Just be like, oh yeah, good job.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yes.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
And the divorce rate and the addiction rate and the weirdness rate and the deep kind of heavy trouble that you feel on a lot of them. I don't, my gosh, I don't blame them. A lot of them are wonderful, admirable people. And they were asked to do something and they did it. And they did it under duress and at great personal risk. And like, I admire them. I'm not criticizing them.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I'm just saying, not to acknowledge what we've asked them to do, not to acknowledge the burden of having killed somebody.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah. And it didn't want to be there. Didn't just like some kid gets his face blown off and you're cheering it.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I completely agree. And in 2001 and 2002, when I was tepidly cheerleading, I will say this, my only defense was kind of tepid. I sort of knew it was wrong, but I convinced myself it wasn't. But when I was making the case for the Iraq war and repeating the lies of the Bush administration... And I'd never really seen violence, you know, personally seen it.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
And that was, you know, a huge change for me seeing that. I was like, I'm not, I'm not into this at all. I don't know why, why is this good? I don't think it's good. I don't, it doesn't feel good. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just, I don't want, I don't want that anymore of that. I don't want to see that. I want to be around it at all. I don't, it's not a turn on at all. It's like horrible.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
And, um, so that was personally for me a huge change, but yeah. I just think that it's important to remember, especially as Christians, like we're against violence. I don't know. We are. Sorry. We're against violence. We should not ever cheer someone's death. Right?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I feel that way.
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No.
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I wonder, you know, the calls for gun control, which are, you know, obviously cyclical, like every time there's some tragedy, some mass shooting, some of which do seem like they were inspired by the FBI, but I can't prove it. But anyway, just there's always like three or four days of the media getting hysterical about gun control, taking your guns away.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Those seem more half-hearted than they used to be. Maybe I'm being paranoid. And I'm wondering if maybe technology, the convergence of AI and drone technology isn't advancing to the point where the people in charge know it doesn't matter whether you have a gun anymore.
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I kind of agree. It's just a fundraising deal for like the dumb, you know, David Hogg or whatever. Yeah. These buffoons, media creations, you know, become famous on, you know, on a pile of dead bodies. It's like so grotesque, but yeah. That doesn't seem real to me.
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And I just wonder, are we at a point where like your AR is not actually a guarantee of freedom at all because like technology is going to give the state so much power that like it doesn't matter.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
I think there may be something to that. It's just my instinct. I don't know. But it is weird. It is weird. And I think if you want to understand what's actually going on. Like watch the rhetoric, of course, never take it at face value. It's a lie by definition. The slogans are a lie, but they do change and they change for a reason. And so I'm just concerned about that.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
And I, as someone who's always like, you know, had guns and ammo at home.
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Well, they, you know, they don't believe in human autonomy. Yeah. Obviously. Right. So they don't see other humans as human. They see them as slaves. I think it's pretty obvious that they see them as objects who have no inherent rights, no inherent dignity, whose lives aren't really worth anything. That's why they love abortion.
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And if you really saw people as creations of God who exist independently from you and your desires, then there's a degree to which you can control people. But then beyond that, you can't. You can't. Even your own children, you can't really control. Can you? No. Right. You can't.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
That's exactly right. And I think good parenting is in part recognizing that. You know, because you don't own them, actually. You are more responsible for them. They are your children. They're, you know, from your body, but they're not, you know, they're human beings. And I just think those are like foundational views that a lot of people in power just don't have.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
So, last question. It does feel like This is I think a lot of people felt this, whether they said it out loud or not. But this election was, you know, the last chance to to turn away from what was a certain future of enslavement. That's not an overstatement. Who wins like in five years? What what's your best guess for where we are?
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One nation under God. I mean, they said it. They weren't hiding it.
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um our fate is not going to be sealed by the politicians we pick it's just not no and so that that's my worry going forward do you feel like i mean i i i do see around me just in my tiny little weird world but people who i don't think have ever thought about god talking about god I read that Bible sales are the highest they've been in a long time. I feel something changing.
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Without a doubt. So, I mean, that's something worth celebrating? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yep. I appreciate you taking all this time. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson Show. If you enjoyed it, you can go to TuckerCarlson.com to see everything that we have made. The complete library. TuckerCarlson.com.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
But I mean, the core question in any crime is like, why was it committed? And I mean, it sounds like there's no progress whatsoever. None. None. None. Well, that itself is like just tells you that the country's in free fall, that it's just so corrupt it can't even carry out the basic functions of government. Right. Trying to figure out why murderers murder.
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Is there any evidence he was in touch with any specific person or group overseas? None that I've seen. None.
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So he had IEDs. He sent up a drone. So in order, what were the IEDs? Do we have any idea?
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I should have asked this earlier. No statement of any kind, no manifesto. None. No description of his own beliefs about anything. Nope. Of any kind. None.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Clearly he liked shooting. And I, you know, right after the shooting, there were all these, you know, usual, I was a door kicker of some special operations people on TV saying that's an easy shot, 130 yards. That's just not true. That's just, that's a lot. I mean, I shoot a lot. He, Crooks turned a cop, a local cop came up a ladder behind him. He, Crooks pointed, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
No, you're right. Back the cop down and then immediately assumed the prone position, got off eight shots and And I think it was 130 yards?
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
Yeah. And got as close as the president's ear. So under extreme stress as a 20-year-old with no military training, I mean, luck does play a role in everything, including shooting, but I'm sorry. I have a 100-yard rifle range. I know what that is. That's like pretty good.
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Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate
It was an assassination attempt. And it raised like the most pressing possible questions about a lot of different things. And, you know, I understand the news media didn't want to give Trump any advantage, didn't want to run the picture of him triumphant. I get it. But you would think that every elected official, every American would want to know how did – how was this allowed to happen?
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Which is always the key. It's like anyone can sit on a Sunday afternoon with your kids and like, you know. On the bench with like.
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But there's a cop behind you with a gun and you lie down and get off eight shots and one of them is just spot on.
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I don't get all these people like, I'd do that, you know. Okay, show me.
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And there's no armed police officer behind you coming up to shoot you. So, yeah, no, I mean, but again, you know, luck does play a role in life for sure in life as backgammon, you know, luck is luck as a component. But OK, so he brings these explosives inside what should be a perimeter.
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In the next five years, we're clearly going to have some kind of economic reset. People will get poorer. What's your position on Trump's tariffs? Are they working?
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It's like all of a sudden you find yourself, I find myself like on the same side as people with whom I don't think I have anything in common. So what's your definition of conservative?
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Yeah, I guess the good news is the consequences are now so obvious and so dire that I don't think anybody really is in favor of continuing to do what we've been doing for the last 50 years.
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Yes. It's in that position. So that's what I find baffling. It's like, I mean, of course, famously, life is unfair. It's not exactly clear how real free will is. I mean, like lots of deep questions that arise when you think about how wealth is allocated. Luck plays a role or providence or whatever.
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But it's still hard if you're in that percentage that's been benefiting and continues to benefit from the current arrangement. It's hard to understand how you don't look around and think to yourself, this isn't working for like the overwhelming majority of people. And that's bad. Like, if that doesn't occur to you, what does it say about you? It's a fair question.
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Given your profile, your life history, the merit badges you collected, the fact you went to Harvard Law School and worked for Mitt Romney, how did you wind up with these views? You're like the only person who, J.D. Vance, okay, but he had a childhood that was different from yours. You, more than anybody I've ever met, took a path that was not obvious at all, given, why did you do that?
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Well, it led you away from like everybody in your world because I mean, I've lived here the whole time. The the path for conservatives at Harvard Law School is well trod, not a huge number, but there are there have been a lot over the years and they're all, you know, I'm a socially liberal, but economically conservative. And you literally took the inverse position.
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I mean, it's like the single most unpopular combination that you could have.
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You guess that's true?
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It's been very... You did give up a lot of money just in point of fact, but...
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So, OK, you managed, I think, to in the four years, four years that you've five years, five years you've been running it. OK. To remain pretty civil and people are civil back and like it's all interesting until the till the tariffs happen, at which point it becomes pretty emotionally charged, I would say. So what's your position on Trump's tariffs? Are they working?
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And what kind of response have you received as like one of the best known tariff proponents?
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So, for example, China, I heard the estimate from someone in manufacturing yesterday, makes the world's magnets. They're used in everything. We have about two weeks left supply in the United States. China's cut off all shipments of magnets to the United States. How long till we build a magnet plant? Like what, how does that resolved?
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It's like the most interesting thing I've heard in a long time. So you're saying that our economic model was not primarily an economic model, was an instrument of foreign policy. It was like the centerpiece of the global order, post-war global order. It wasn't like designed to help the United States as much as it was to preserve stability around the world.
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So, you know, we can't make everything. What should we make? So if you were in charge of reshoring manufacturing to the United States, what would be the industries that would get priority?
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Why is that so hard to do? That seems pretty straightforward. I would imagine it would have overwhelming popular support. What's the process by which that gets done and why hasn't it been?
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and so one one reason we have not done it is because we actively believe things that were wrong and we are fortunately now starting to realize that and try to fix it i i would argue is that's all clearly true slightly more complicated though because it wasn't just that people believed something that was wrong now demonstrably it was that the people who argued it was wrong
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weren't just like debated in good faith, they were destroyed as people. So the two biggest advocates of the position you're describing now were Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan. And both of them were kind of driven from public life on the basis of claims that they were like, not just wrong on economics, but like dangerous bad people. What was that?
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And I know this because we eat a ton of them in my house. And by the way, I feel great. So you can still continue to snack, but you can do it in a healthy way with chips without feeling guilty about it. Masa chips are delicious. They taste how a tortilla chip is supposed to taste. But the thing is, you can hit them really, really hard, and I have, and not feel bloated or sluggish after.
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So that's what I don't understand. So why, I mean, typically even was a debate between, you know, the Keynesians and the Milton Friedman people. It didn't get to that level of like, let's just wreck the person. Let's make, you know, let's make his wife divorce him. But it did. No, but it did on, you know, I mean, it kind of wrecked Ross Perot's life, wrecked Pat Buchanan's life.
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Like, why were the stakes so high on this one question?
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Which was the textbook for generations.
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I totally agree. And I got to college 40 years after that book was written and it was assigned, it was the first book you read in economics class. Yeah.
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Can I say, why have I never heard this before? It's like the most interesting thing I've heard in a long time. So you're saying that our economic model was not primarily an economic model, it was an instrument of foreign policy. It was part, it was like the centerpiece of the global order, post-war global order.
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And it wasn't like designed really to help the United States as much as it was to preserve stability around the world. Is that what you're saying? Yes.
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The way it was presented to me as someone who was always conservative and for markets and repeated all the slogans and all that and was living in the world where, like, I didn't know a single person who disagreed, talk about a bubble, was that... free market economics in the way that the United States was doing it was not really an instrument, wasn't even a theory. It was like a physics principle.
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Right. It's just, it's just true. Okay. So, and to the extent that you deviate from it, you get punished. To the extent that you hew to it, you're rewarded because like gravity, it's just real. Right. And this is, this is the fundamentalism. But I just, I, I had no idea that this was like, like the U.N.,
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Something that people who are understandably horrified by what they've just gone through, the World War, it was part of their reaction to that. And they're like, this will prevent that from happening again.
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Right.
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It sounds like socialism, Warren. No, I'm just kidding. It sounds beautiful, actually. And I should say for people who don't, I'm not going to give your home address or anything, but you kind of live that. Personally, you live in a smallish town far from, very far from a city. You have a family. You're involved in the town on like an official level. You are living the life that you describe here.
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So what's the reaction to the administration's tariffs in Washington? My sense is not positive, but you're closer to this.
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Is the blob, is it your sense, is the blob getting less powerful or more effective and organized? Right.
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So just to go back to your amazing point. Sorry, you've got a dog there. Oh, welcome. Hey, Al. A tariff supporter, I think. A tariff supporter. Sorry, you were nice to the dog on the way in and you're marked for life. Yeah. your amazing point that these were post-war institutions self-consciously designed to keep order. How has that worked?
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There's really no debate in this room anyway about the effects on the United States. Look at it. It didn't work for us. Did it work for the world? And do we risk conflict by abandoning it?
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Specifically on China, and they were open about it in the early 70s when Nixon famously went to China, that this will be good for the world because it will de-radicalize China, which is the height of the Cultural Revolution when he said that. So pulling back from that and starting a trade war with China, does that increase the chances of a conflict, a military conflict with China?
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Or I don't know, end, but like in the next five years, we're clearly going to have some kind of economic reset. People will get poorer. That's kind of guaranteed, I think. I expect it anyway. do then we evolve past that and become more prosperous and more cohesive? Like how does, how does the story end?
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It's interesting you use the word obligation, our obligation to others, to our children, to our neighbors, really sort of old-fashioned Protestant talk that I haven't heard in a long time from Protestants or anyone else. It's not a worldview that like Ken Griffin, you know, talks about or probably believes in. Where does that, well, why don't we talk about that anymore?
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I mean, I think it's dawning on a lot of people that China has enormous influence over the political structures of Canada and China, particularly Canada, in some ways. Yeah, I don't think it's too late.
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Oh, I know.
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Where does that obligation come from? And how do you restore people's sense of it?
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Boy, that is best case if we wind up there.
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Yeah, like a peaceful multipolar world. Yes. Which, by the way, we've had for all of history, you know, up until it ended in 1991.
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The problem, though, is like a deeper problem, and I hope it's, I mean, I pray it's resolvable, but it's like, how do you pull back from hegemony? How do you scale back an empire without,
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Well, that kind of is the moral tradition, right?
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situation— What you just said is like that's the heart of it right there.
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It would be amazing. And I agree with every word you've said and said so well. My last question refers back to what you first said, which is about the point of the system, which is to encourage and support and sustain healthy families and bright-eyed, impressive children who continue on the civilization. I don't think any person could disagree with that. And thank you for reminding us of it.
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What are specific policy changes in the next five years that could help that?
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I've noticed.
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I love that you said that out loud. What? Well, I mean, the people who will pay for that are the people who are earning a lot and don't have kids. But they're the ones who are constantly saying, well, I don't have kids. So, like, why should I have to pay for other people's kids? Right. To which you'd say what?
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
But you're making a moral case. You're making a case about the obligations of citizenship.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
Whether they're yours or not.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
I can see why you're successful because you say these radically countercultural things with a kind of like, of course, you know, just putting ideas out there for...
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
So when you go back to Harvard and you say stuff like that, how do people respond?
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But there's only one template. I mean, there's other things going on that don't affect the trans community. Come on, stop.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
I can't improve on that. Oren Kass, thank you.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
Everything you said, well, you've described the basis of any civilization, you know, no civilization can continue ignoring what you said. So it's obvious. I mean, nothing's radical that you described. It's like fundamental.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
But it does feel like the generation that began in 1946 kind of like didn't know that or something, spent the country into bankruptcy, sort of dying in their condos in South Carolina, leaving nothing to their children or grandchildren. It does seem like those assumptions changed with the baby boom.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
Yes.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
Oren Kass, thank you very much for coming. So you've got a book called The New Conservatives, which tries to answer, I think, and we'll speak for you, the question, you know, what is conservatism? What is the Trump movement? Who's on what side? And probably not a better, it's not really an abstract question. debate anymore.
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Oren Cass: How Trump’s Tariffs Are Reversing the Foreign Policy That Doomed America’s Economy
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
So the last time, I think the last time we were physically together was when we worked together at Fox News. Crazy. Hosting a morning show whose name I will not mention. I've always been embarrassed in the name of that show. There's some nice people on the show, nice people working on the show. I don't want to attack the show, but the name always made me cringe. But anyway. Morning Joe.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
That's ExpressVPN.com slash Tucker. One thing I've learned just from this whole last five years is that female leaders are not what I thought they were. When I was a kid in the 70s, you used to hear feminists say, give a woman a chance. You know, it'll be a more peaceful world. Not a crazy idea. I mean, all the women in my life are peaceful and loving.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And so I kind of thought that's probably true, actually. You know, men fight wars and all that. Women don't. But then we wind up with all these female leaders who are the most warlike and bloodthirsty and just can't wait to murder people. They just can't wait. You can see that girl from Estonia. I mean, she would kill people without even...
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But that's killing. I mean, they're for killing. Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton? I mean, you see that in our country. The most warlike, the quickest to Dick Cheney's repulsive little daughter. Susan Rice? Victoria Nuland? What is that?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
So how do you, I mean, I don't know if it's noble, but... How do the citizens with no power in a place like Portugal feel about the idea of marching off to war with Russia?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Well, in fact, Clayton, there are neocons who would argue against it.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And so, well, it's funny. I do remember you in commercial breaks. Cause on those morning shows, you have really long commercial breaks. Yeah. And then, you know, one anchor will take a segment or whatever. There's like a lot of time sitting on the dumb couch. And you never wasted a second of it. I'd like stare off into space like a dog or text my wife, naughty things.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Most people are.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But you were constantly either doing business or reading about things. I'll never forget that. You were totally absorbed in your studies and your work in commercial breaks. Um, how did you wind up with Redacted? Like, how did that, I've never even asked you, how'd you, how'd that happen?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Anyway, all that to say... Wait, can I just pause and say, what's interesting is, I mean, a country like that needs a revolution. Yeah. And hopefully not a violent one. I'm against violence, but it needs a revolution. Like any government that do that to its own people needs to be overthrown in some way or another. But I bet you that Portugal, like the rest of the West, didn't even come close.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Did anyone not get it there?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Right. Which is the vaccine injury, self-reported vaccine injury.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Did you know anyone who didn't take it? No. No.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Yeah. So it was pretty much universal uptake. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
No.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But nobody got together and said, hey, we need to overthrow this tyrannical government. No, no. No, of course. So that is like the deep last.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
No, I mean, if you grew up in the United States hearing about, which I'm sure no one ever mentions at this point, but, you know, the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution and, you know, free people determined to remain free and throwing off the yoke of tyranny and using arms to do it, but also but more than just violence, but. Yeah. You know, explaining why they're doing it. Right.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And standing on true principle. If you grew up hearing about that, then you think, well, that, you know, that desire to be free beats in every human heart. And, you know, but I guess it doesn't. I don't really know. But there's no evidence that anybody is organizing to push back against this. And I just want to say really clearly, I think they should. But no one seems to be. Yeah.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Morning Joe. So good. Morning Joe. You, me, Mika. Right. A lot of Xanax. Right. All of the neocons. Oh, my gosh. And then you went off into business. I think you're the only person I've ever seen leave an anchor position in television voluntarily. No one ever does that. They wait to – get destroyed in a sex scandal or get dementia or something.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
In Portugal, they would fire an on air journalist for opposing the Ukraine war. I'm just glad that would never happen in the United States.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
It's like, it's the Wall Street Journal. It's, you know, Neil Ferguson, the eminent historian. And, you know, it's a lot of people, actually. All of a sudden, they're like, no, no, no, no, no. you know, four square behind Zelensky. Where do those orders come from? Like, what is that? Zelensky can't win. He's helped destroy his own country. I think the United States has destroyed his country.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I think the Biden administration destroyed his country. I actually don't think it's really Zelensky's fault, if I'm being honest. But whatever, like we did Ukraine wrong. And yet all these people, some of them with jobs and they're not bots, they're human beings. I know some of them. They're like all in. What is that? I don't understand. To me, it's a kind of a madness.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But nobody cares about Ukraine. We just watched like the murder of like its entire young male population. And like we want more to die. So we're not for Ukraine. We're against Russia. And we're so against Russia that calling someone pro-Russia is a slur, basically. But no one ever explains why are we supposed to be against Russia? Like, I feel like I'm coming to a conversation late.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I missed the predicate, like the part where you explained to me why I have to hate Russia. I'm totally agnostic on Russia. Well, now I have been to Moscow a couple of times. I think it's the most beautiful city I've ever been to. So I like Moscow, but I still don't even have strong feelings about Russia. Why am I supposed to hate Russia? Like, what is this? Because like they mistreat.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I don't I don't I'm going to speculate what this is, but I don't get it still three years in. Didn't you see the movie Red Dawn in the 1980s? The Soviets like I'm totally opposed. They invade. They're going to invade us right now. But aren't you paying attention? Truth is, it's so many of the people who are now fanatically opposed to Russia were not fanatically opposed to the Soviets. Right.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
So what the hell is going on? I actually think even the term Ukraine is a distraction from the truth, which is we are at war. We are at war with Russia. That war is funded by the United States primarily. It's I mean, some of the attacks on Russia were coordinated by U.S. military personnel in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government is supported wholly by the United States.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Our intel agencies and our intel officers are in Ukraine directing the Ukrainian intel service. So these are all facts. So we are at war with Russia, but why? And why the hatred?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Yeah, but they'll deny it.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Well, you could very easily say that, and we probably should say, that no American is allowed to serve in a foreign military. I don't understand... I mean, we have a person serving on the National Security Council right now who served in the Ministry of Defense in a foreign country. Like, no. How about no? Right. You're not allowed to have multiple citizenships.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
You're not allowed to serve in a foreign military. What? If that's not disloyal, I don't know what is. We have a military. We have all kinds of clear and present threats. basically because the people serving in foreign militaries, you know, encouraged us to get involved in all this crap. Anyway, whatever. Yeah. We could clearly shut that down and we haven't. You made reference to NDAs.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Do you think that people have been pushed to sign NDAs?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I hate to say it, but the Poles, who I think are great people for the record, never met a Pole I didn't like except for Anne Applebaum's husband. But, boy, they always end up bearing the brunt of everything in Europe.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Exactly. And a bunch of low IQ Republican Senator warmonger freaks.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
100% Mike Rounds and all these people. Yeah.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Yes. And J.D. Vance hears it. He's very, Trump is, for the record, Trump is extremely cordial, you know, for all the talk about how he's this florid lunatic. He doesn't want that. He didn't want those fireworks. Oh, no, no, no, no. He is elaborately polite. And anyone who's dealt with him will tell you that. I mean, he's, you know, he's like, he's like a...
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
innkeeper i don't mean to be um to diminish his role or be patronizing like that but he he's the guy he's like master of ceremonies kind of personality right we're all here it's great like he is not a public conflict guy at all yeah i've never really seen him other than you know somebody standing up with a cane at a state of the union address and even then he was cordial He really is.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I mean, I've seen it a lot. It's his instinct.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I really believe the last thing that Trump wants is the kind of thing that happened with Zelensky. Like, he doesn't want that.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
She was my neighbor for five years. We shared a backyard. Very nice. And I liked her husband. And she has nice children. But she's a hard case. Like, for real. She's a hard case. She's not. How do you mean? She's just, you know, she's tough. She's not a sentimental person. She knows if she decides on a mission, like whatever it takes to achieve the mission, period. I'm not even attacking her.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I'm just noting that, you know, she's definitely not... You know, someone who's going to let human emotion get in the way of achieving what she thinks she wants to achieve. And so the mission, the mission is to destroy Russia. Right. Right. So getting back to the mission is to just to be clear, Ukraine and Zelensky himself, I totally you're the only other person I've heard say that.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But I completely agree with you as a human being. I feel for him. I think he's committed a lot of crimes. I think he's killed a ton of people. They tried to assassinate a bunch of people. They have assassinated people. He's allowed his weapons to be sold to terrorist groups. I mean, it's really, he's really been bad. However, he is a pawn and that's totally true.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
He's a hapless pawn and the nation of Ukraine. is caught between great powers as it has been before, as Poland has before. And so they're all in some deeper sense victims. This is a war between the United States and Western Europe and Russia. And so it does raise the question once more, like, why?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And you, you're, I of course interrupted you, but, and I'm sorry, but your answer was it's an economic play. They want the resources. Is that what you're saying or?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Funding all these groups, yeah.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I think it's grotesque. If that's really the goal to break apart Russia, and you heard that airhead from Estonia say that the other day, I think it should be a bunch of little countries. And it's like, the thing that I respect most about Putin and appreciate and grateful for with Putin is that he's kept Russia together. They have more nuclear weapons than any country in the world.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
It's the largest country in the world. It's 20% Muslim. It's like it could easily become, you know, post-Soviet Yugoslavia. Right. With endless wars that would not only kill a lot of people there, but would also endanger the world. You lose track of nuclear weapons? Really? I mean, it's insane, actually. What you want... is stability and clear accounting of where the deadliest weapons are.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Where are the biolabs? Where are the nuclear warheads? That's super important. So if you had a Syria in Russia, everyone in the world would die. And I'm no genius, that's for sure. And that's super obvious to me. So if you're pushing to break up Russia, it would instantly be in like a 500-year war with itself. Right. Why would you want that?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Yes.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Someone else I'm required to hate. I don't, you know, I don't have strong feelings, but. You're required to hate him and you're also required to believe the propaganda. Because some douchebag at the Atlantic magazine decides he's in the way of some goal some other country has. No, no, no. I'm an American. Right. And I'm a Christian also. And Assad protected the Christians. That's a fact.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And whatever else he did. So I think it's totally fair for me to say I don't want chaos in any country because it's a threat to me and my country. We get terrorism because of it or mass invasions like Europe has had of refugees. And I don't want the Christians to be murdered. Like, I don't know. It's such a weird position. How can you take that position?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Can I say one other thing that I will shut up? But like, here's my theory on Russia. I think it's clearly a resource play. You're absolutely right. Americans loved Russia when it was supine and chaotic and the life expectancy for men was 49 and everyone was like...
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
dying of cirrhosis on the sidewalk and all that they loved it because they could loot it and they did oh bill clinton looted the hell out of it for sure yeah but i really think the problem with putin is not his territorial expansion putin has shown no sign that he has territorial ambitions he's he's got a country that's like almost impossible to manage already right he wants poland stop he wants portugal you moron right no he doesn't it's like only children believe that
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
No, I think the difference with Putin is Christianity. And I think that. I didn't used to think that. But then I noticed that the same people, and I'm 55, so I remember a lot of the same people and certainly the same kind of people making excuses for the Soviet Union, which was an atheist state. Putin comes in and he's like, actually, we're going to bring back the Orthodox Church.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
We're going to fund the Orthodox Church. This is a Christian country. And that was it. That's when he became like a true enemy of the ruling class of the United States. I saw the same thing in Hungary. Hungary was totally fine from 1945 to 1991. It was a Soviet satellite state, part of the Warsaw Pact. It was an officially atheist country. And then it was a kind of transition period.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And then Orban comes, who's like, he's not even right wing. He's like kind of 70s liberal, live and let live guy. But he's like, no, this is a Christian country. All of a sudden... The Atlantic magazine and the Atlantic Council and every other group of stupid people with power in Washington is like, we need to kill him. Right.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And in fact, there have been attempts on his life, actually, at least one that has not been publicized. I didn't know that. Yeah, by that, you know, by the same block of people. And they hate him for that. Yeah.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Oh, yeah. And then we send under Biden. We sent an ambassador pressman. I think his name was this gay guy and his boyfriend or whatever to spend his entire time in Budapest. lecturing the Hungarians about how bad they are. It's like, that's diplomacy? That's our ambassador?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
No, it was... His whole role was to insult the Hungarians, inflame the relationship between the Hungarian government and the U.S., to basically try to humiliate them. It's like, why would you want to do that? Why do you think they're trying to kill so many Christians? Because I think it's a spiritual... There's something about... Look, let's just be totally honest.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
There's something about Christianity, which is the only world religion I'm aware of, theistic religion that... that preaches nonviolence, which it does. You know, others don't at all. And Christianity does. It's against, no, tons of Christians commit violence, but they're in violation of their religion, in my opinion.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But you would think it would be the most popular religion with world leaders because it's like, the Christians aren't going to hassle you. Jesus says, give unto Caesar what's Caesar's, give unto God what's God's, don't overthrow the government. Like, it's a very kind of compliant religion, actually, and inherently pro-peace. And yet they're always the ones who get murdered.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
When the Spanish Civil War started and that famous photograph of the communist forces, what's the first thing they opened fire on? A statue of Jesus. There's this famous picture of them firing Jesus. You know, they're eight millimeters at at a statue of Jesus. And it's like, what is that? And I don't think there's a rational explanation for it. I think it's spiritual, clearly.
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And it's very heartening as a Christian to know that a nonviolent religion triggers people that much. It suggests maybe it's true. Why do you hate it so much? Why do you care?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I don't want to be dark. I know this is going to be clipped, but like at this point, Europe is so, and I love Europe and I'm there constantly and family there. I mean, I really love Europe truly as an American, but like it's so degraded. You know, I don't even want to say it. I'm not going to say would it actually be worse or not. I just but it's pretty bad right now. You do.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Someone really smart said the other day, the reason the Europeans hate Russia is because it's the only thing all Europeans have in common. It's the only unifying. Yeah, you need a good enemy.
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So what is the truth about the lights in the sky seen over the mid-Atlantic over the Christmas season?
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Because Iran tried to assassinate President Trump. Another big lie. The biggest lie ever. I'm trying to use the F word now. It's Lent. But that's a lie, by the way. Yes. The government of Iran did not try to murder Donald Trump during the presidential campaign. I hope everyone's paying attention to that because that's being parroted all over media right now.
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That the government of Iran tried to murder. Anyone who says that is a liar or so subject to propaganda that he should not be talking in public.
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I said it was a lie immediately in public and private. So, yeah, that's a lie. Whatever. Sorry. Sorry. It was fabricated.
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But to get back to your initial description, so you think that those lights were government drones?
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Time for their true life Alp story. I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday. Honestly, true story. Who said his girlfriend had just broken up with him over Alp. He wouldn't stop. And I thought to myself, that's kind of sad. He said, no, it's not sad. Imagine if I'd married her. Now I know. I was saved.
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Then the next day, this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American city, pulled over by a cop in a speed trap. Cop takes his license registration, goes back to the patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks in the window, and sees a tin of Alp on the dashboard. Pauses. Stunned, says to my friend, you use Alp? Yeah, I do, says my friend. So do I, says the cop. We all do.
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He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, drive safely, sir, and hands back his license and registration. No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Al and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nicotine. In an age of 350 million, people are guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories. Email us yours.
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We want to know and read it on the air. Email tellall at alppouch.com. Tellall at alppouch.com. Give us your Alp story. Lyndon Johnson knew this. Knew this. Yes. He knew it.
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So I love when people today— Some poor American sailors on a surveillance ship, not lightly armed, not really armed. No, it was a spy ship.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
So... But I didn't realize... I'm aware of that. Yeah. And you're not allowed to say it for some reason. No, you can't say it. Like, these are things that you're not allowed to talk about. Right. You can criticize the U.S. government, but, you know. Yeah. Um... But on the other hand, I will say, I mean, it infuriates me that you can criticize our own government, but not a foreign government.
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That's so grotesque. On the other hand, you also give any foreign government a pass if it's acting in its own interest. It's like they don't care about you. You're a foreign country. You know, like I get it. But the idea of our country allowing the murder of our own sailors who did nothing wrong were sent there. Yeah. By the way, conscripted, we had the draft then. Yeah.
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Maybe not even there voluntarily. That's a great point. That the U.S. government knows that? I mean, I just, my head is, I didn't know that until you just told me.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Because you can't just release them. You have to have a congressional committee to hide them even longer. You have to redact things and hide them and then release, like, do... This is not disclosure.
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But you can't kill your own people. You're not allowed to do that. That's just gotta be a red line. The CIA would never kill its own people. You can't kill your own people, period. Yeah, you can. You're supposed to protect your own people. You're in charge of these people. Right. It's like killing your own children.
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I just feel like that's a pretty bright line. Like, I'm leading people. I have to do whatever I can up to and very much including giving my own life to protect them, to act in their interest. That's why I'm the leader.
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That's the way you feel about your children. should be a species of the way you feel about anybody you lead. I'm in charge. I get the benefits of being in charge, but I also have, you know, the responsibility, the burden of being in charge, which is to act in their interest and sacrifice myself for them. It's super simple. That's the basic bargain.
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People will follow, children will follow a father, Men will follow an officer if that's the deal, right? But if you violate that, if you say, well, I'm going to kill people I'm supposed to be saving, then you've broken the deal and you are not a legitimate leader and you can get fragged at that point, actually, I think. Yeah. I think it's totally fair.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Well, that's why we always hated them. Yeah. But Lyndon Johnson did that on purpose. Wow, that's super, super dark. And a lot of other dirty things. And a lot of other dirty things. So the most famous dirty thing, of course, that he did was participate in some way, it's still not clear, in the murder of the president. Right, JFK.
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And you really see this in maybe the third volume of the Caro documentary. series the biographical series on lyndon johnson robert carroll robert i beg your pardon robert carroll has written this yeah series of books and robert carroll was you know i think too sympathetic etc etc but in and very liberal and all that but in the portion where
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Johnson is on the plane in Dallas and learns that Kennedy has been murdered and then is sworn in on the plane as president. It's really clear, really clear from Caro's description that this is not a surprise to him.
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I mean, I was never interested in the Kennedy assassination. It was over covered and it seemed like the kind of territory of wackos and conspiracy nuts. Well, that's where the term came from. Oh, I know. Well, then, of course, you know, it's not ignorance that makes you a conspiracy nut. It's knowledge, which I didn't know. I was such an idiot. That's a great point.
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I still am an idiot in some ways, but I've learned that. Welcome to the club. I've learned that. But in the past, yeah, the past six or seven years, I have learned a lot about it. I'm hardly an expert, but I've learned enough to know that there's something actually there. And I mean, I've learned a lot about it, actually.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But anyway, the point is President Trump, to his everlasting credit, issues an executive order on January 23rd saying, you know, release the files on the JFK assassination, on the Bobby Kennedy assassination, the Bastard Hotel in 1968, June, and then on the MLK assassination, June. You know, the April of 68. Yeah. Which I've always thought, to my credit, I've always thought that was a conspiracy.
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I mean, clearly, that's an absurd story that James Earl Ray, an escaped prison mate, somehow winds up in Heathrow Airport with two fake passports. Like, how did you do that? Clearly, there were others involved. I don't know who. Sounds a lot like Butler, Pennsylvania, too, doesn't it? Right. How does that happen? But he issues this executive order, which I guess has the force of law.
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He's the president of the United States, elected president of the United States. He does this three days after the inauguration. It's one of the first things he does. And here we are in March, whatever it is, the second week of March, and we've got nothing. And in the case of... Are we being played? I honestly don't know what's going on, but I'll tell you just by deduction what I know is true.
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First of all, I know that the CIA was involved in some way or parts of the CIA, the Angleton, the counter intel part of the CIA. CIA is huge. It's not everyone in the CIA, but there were CIA officials who were involved. I know that because I know someone who saw some of the documents and told me that.
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But I have thought up until recently, well, it must be, you know, they're trying to protect the institution. Everyone's dead. 62 years later, everyone's dead. So why are you holding it? Like, why don't you just here's everything we have. Like, why do you care? And I always thought it was, well, you got to protect the CIA.
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But then, you know, we had the church committee hearings 50 years ago and they showed the CIA was up to all kinds of nonsense, like pretty dark stuff. And everyone already knows that. So they're going to further discredit the Institute. Like, nobody cares, actually. Nobody cares. Everyone knows the CIA is the most corrupt organization in the world.
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Nobody can even name the CIA director in November of 63, John McCone. But people don't know. They don't care. So why are they, even now, even... A month and a half after the executive order requiring them to release these files, whose location we know. It's not like they have to gather all these files. We know they're in the National Archives most of the time.
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So what the hell is this?
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Well, that's the question. Who who is there a foreign government involved in this? Well, there's I know this for a fact. There is active pressure, active pressure on elected officials to stop this disclosure right now. Now, in 2025, that was 1963. And where is that coming from? You know, I don't know and I'm not going to speculate on it, but there's active pressure.
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And I don't believe for a second that it's from the CIA. Who? John Ratcliffe, former Congressman John Ratcliffe, who's now the director. He cares. I don't think so. So does John Ratcliffe want these released or is he being pushed around? I haven't the faintest idea. And I don't have any evidence that Ratcliffe is involved in efforts to prevent disclosure.
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I don't I don't mean to suggest that I do, but I'm just saying, like, who is powerful enough? to scare people into slow walking the disclosure. And by the way, slow walking a disclosure is the same as not providing the disclosure. Why are they slow walking it? To somehow continue to hide facts. What is the purpose? Who is... you know, what is the force acting on the U.S.
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government, on the new administration to prevent disclosure? And I think it's a totally fair question because it's the president of the United States who got murdered, the people voted for. This is the heart of democracy. We vote for our leader. And it was overturned. And so, anyway, I think it's very important to get to the bottom of the JFK thing.
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I don't even know what that word means. From the motor pool. No, no.
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Oh, they're officers.
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I noticed that it's all death-related technology, which does tell you something. Right. No, no, seriously, it's not like— Why do you think the defense industry is so involved in it, right? But it's just—no one is claiming—I've never heard anybody say that the U.S. government is hiding technology that might actually help you.
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You know, that's enough for me. 11 mice? 10 wouldn't have been enough. That's when the mRNA vaccines came out, I thought to myself, oh, there's never been a successful coronavirus vaccine. You haven't tested it. It's a novel technology, and it could potentially change people's genes. Right. I was first in line. Yeah.
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I want you to change the basic genetic makeup of me.
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Before I forget, where did nuclear technology come from? I've never heard anybody explain where it came from. It's like, oh, Germany, the 1930s. Really, what was the moment where it was discovered?
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Yep.
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Yeah. Of course, I'm always for disclosure. Of course. On the other hand, I always think of like the classic kidnapping scenario where someone is kidnapped. The kidnapper is demanding a ransom. And so there's a hope that the kidnapped person will return home alive as long as the ransom is paid. But in order for that to work, the person who's been kidnapped has to remain blindfolded.
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He can never see the kidnapper because the second he does, the kidnapper has to kill him. There are moments where big picture knowing too much is a huge threat. Yeah. And I wonder if we're there right now because we're having this conversation. Your show is crushing it online on YouTube and Rumble. Yeah. And other people are doing shows like that. And X is pretty open, actually.
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Well, it's certainly been successful, like way more than anyone would have predicted, probably even you. Oh, for sure. I would have thought this is just going to be a drop in the ocean. No, no, no. I checked your numbers this morning. Yes. Quite successful and well-deserved and just an amazing story. So you spent five years to the day in Europe. You're now back-
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
People can pretty much say what they want. And maybe people know too much to be governed. Actually, once you realize how fake a lot of the things you thought were real turn out to be, like, how do you— You're going to pay your taxes? Well, that's very much how I feel. Yeah. You know, why are you paying your credit card bill? Right. This is a total scam. Right.
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This is—I mean, it's a complete—you know, it's loan sharking, but they spend more on congressional campaigns than you do, so they get to, like, destroy your life. I don't know. There's a lot of stuff like that. Right. Yeah. And so like how long can our government keep free speech and exist?
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Well, that's exactly – that's what I'm saying. So, like, it does feel like we're reaching – For all of their silly censorship attempts, people I know are, I don't want to use the word radicalized, but they're way more open-minded than they were five years ago and infinitely more than they were 20 years ago when one-tenth of what you just said would have earned you a clinical diagnosis.
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You would have been, by definition, crazy for saying anything like what you just said. And now people are like, yeah, I don't know if that's true, but that could be true. Yeah.
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And so I just wonder, like, at some point, if you're going to maintain, if you believe the world is run effectively by criminal cartels with very dark anti-human motives, obviously true, then, like, they have way more power than we do. They have way more advanced weapons than we do. They're clearly loosely organized across borders. And so, like, how long are they going to put up with this?
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Like, you and me sitting here, you know, reading X in commercial breaks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, like... Is this sustainable?
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Yeah.
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yeah in the united states um but you spent five years in portugal at a time when europe was really really changing or or the changes that had already taken place have become i think more obvious to those paying attention what was your view after living there for that long
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Yes.
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It really does come down to that, doesn't it? The popular will is not quite as relevant as I thought it was.
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It does come down to men. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I'm thinking a lot about my father recently and I, you know, whatever, we're all flawed, but I just don't, I haven't met a man like him really in the last 20, I can't remember the last time I met a man like him on the basic level. I mean, he was the kindest, most loyal father, but there were absolutely limits.
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Period. And I don't know. I loved growing up like that because I felt like my family... I loved it. I try to be that father and husband, but I loved it. It gave us such security. It's like, no one fucks with Pop. He is not... He's a loaded gun, man. You know, wonderful man, hilarious, really nice. But if there's any... threat to the family, like it's not even going to hesitate.
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He doesn't think about the consequences. You see some of these videos emerge. Where are the men like that?
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Well, I totally agree. And I just don't, I don't see, at least in the world that I live with, I was talking to my brother the other day and saying, when we were kids, you know, being Maine in the summertime and boy, you could not be rude to people. Like that just wouldn't end well at all. And I
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I said to him, you know, I don't remember the last time I was ever in any sense intimidated by any white man. Like, there's just no white man's going to kick your ass. I'm sorry. I mean, I am a white man. I'm not against white men. I'm like everybody else. I like white men. I'm the, you know, father and uncle of some, but I don't feel any, there's no intimidation or whatever.
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It's like, you know, what are they going to do?
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No, but I mean, that's I do think like you can extrapolate outward toward a whole country or civilization. That's like if the men aren't willing to defend it. First of all, things get very jumpy and chaotic inside as people feel undefended.
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And it makes them crazy and very anxious. But it's also true that you get invaded. Yeah.
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Invade his country and, like, destroy ranches, destroy the physical environment, make it dirtier. Texas has gotten way dirtier. Way dirtier. Oh, yeah. In the past five years. And he never sent his National Guard to the border. And I confronted him twice in person about it just off camera. But, like, what are you doing, dude? Oh, it's very complicated. It's not complicated.
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And you've confronted him on camera. I have. No, I've been mean. You know, Abbott's a perfectly nice guy. It's a great question. I don't think he's worshiping Satan or anything. I like Greg Abbott. But, like... What is that? That's your most basic duty.
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Okay, so I take it back. I don't like Abbott because you're right. You're right. It's under his watch. It's too much evil. That's right. And you have to blame the leader. No one ever blames the leader. Yeah. Like if your country, that's another thing. It's like Russia's better than it was 25 years ago. Does anyone, can anyone say it's not? It is. Yeah.
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So, like, OK, you could say Putin does a lot of bad things. I think that's true. On the other hand, his country is better. Like, that counts for something. Our country is worse. And we never hold any of our leaders accountable. It's like that was a massive fuck up.
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The Afghan withdrawal, you know, whatever, the Iraq war, the destruction of New York City, Chicago, going back to Gary, Indiana and Baltimore. Like, who did that?
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And then they named bridges after the people who destroyed the city. It's I can't believe the lack of accountability. My wife would shoot me. If I led my family like that, she'd just shoot me. Because that's criminal, right?
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100%, and I would deserve it.
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I'm sorry.
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Bad location.
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So now that you've moved back to the United States, obviously you never announced your citizenship. You always have been American with a lot of family here. But now you're living here. And on the very beginning of this new administration, what are the things that you're looking forward to, that you're hopeful for?
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What changes do you think this administration will make that will make the country better?
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I wanted a war with Iran. That's just me. That's not just you.
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According to whom?
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Right. So the millions of Portuguese people have no say over their own lives or where their money goes or anything?
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Yes.
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Me too. You know, I... The thing about isolationism is, in the United States... That it acknowledges reality and the reality, the physical reality is the United States is isolated. It's isolated from the other major civilizations in the world.
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And that's been a massive benefit. It's not Liechtenstein. It's not Hungary. It's not Poland. It's not Ukraine. It doesn't have to deal with the problems that those wonderful countries are attacking them. But they have all these problems that we just don't inherently have because of the Pacific issue. and Atlantic Ocean, so... Yeah, geography matters.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And I don't understand, so it's mostly rich people who are pushing this, and isolationism's bad. Why don't they pay for these wars themselves? I've never understood that. It's like, attach yourself to the U.S. government and then force its citizens to pay for, like, your pet war. Why doesn't – why don't these people pay for it themselves?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
a website where all of these like wealthy politicians who are now millionaires bernie sanders elizabeth warren nancy pelosi they could all donate millions of dollars if they want like you want to you you put the money here they could go fight the wars by the way too right i mean i think most of these hedge fund billionaires who've been pushing the us government to pay for all these absurd wars and still are they could send their billions to whatever foreign country they wanted or whatever armed group they want to support and then they could go join their ranks
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
So, and Germany's had a hundred years of foreign troops on its soil and no one responsible for the atrocities of the Nazi regime is still alive. And so maybe you just sort of let the Germans be a country again. I think that's fair. I don't think foreign troops on your soil is good for your country at all. That's why the Germans are suicidal, which they are. And like, what is the point?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
How long is this going to go on? And Japan? Yeah. Well, I feel the same way about Japan. It's a little more complicated because of China, but I do agree with that. And Korea, for that matter, has not been good for Japan or Korea. North Korea has a much higher birth rate than South Korea. What is that? I didn't know that. Much higher. Oh, much higher.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
South Korea is one of the lowest. And I just want to say I love South Korea and I love the people almost more than any other country. Just wonderful people. So I'm not attacking them. I feel sorry for them. But their country's evaporating. It's dying. Japan as well. And Japan as well. Another country I absolutely love.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Everyone who visits Japan is like, this is incredible, which it is because the people are incredible. Right. And but like. Having foreign troops on your soil does something to you. It turns you into... It reduces you.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I just want to compliment myself saying I'm so self-confident. I will admit to being totally ignorant of something I should know about.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I want to hit one more topic. So just big picture, I have to, again, if you had said any of this five years ago, people would be like, Clayton's a nice guy, good guy, cute kids, nice wife, but obviously he's profoundly mentally ill. Yes. I don't think people think that anymore. But the one story that I have seen in the past few years that I was just like, I can't go there.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
That's just flat earth stuff is the Brigitte Macron. Emmanuel Macron, President of France's wife, was accused first by French journalists and then by my friend Candace Owens, who's one of the nicest people I've ever met, actually. Yeah, she's very smart. She's incredible. And everyone's always, Candace Owens is a hater.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
candace is the opposite of a hater but she's a very kind person but um anyway but she comes out and she's like i i will wager my professional credibility on the claim that macron's wife is actually a man and i was like i was like oh candace owens i love you but i think this is too too crazy yeah And then it turns out she's right. So can you just explain? My mind is blown.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
It's incredibly crazy. What is it with pedophilia? I mean, pedophilia is one of those things that it's like... It's so—and I can relate to almost any sin, but I just want to be clear. I'm not being holier than thou. I mean, I've done bad things. I have had, you know, bad impulses. I can kind of understand why people get pissed and shoot each other or steal or, you know. I don't, but I get it.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Road rage. Completely. You know, there but for the grace of God. That's how I sometimes feel. But pedophilia? Like, that's something that— I can honestly say with a clean conscience, it's never even occurred to me. That's like so... Yeah, I can say it too.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But you actually just left and went into business and were successful. And then you moved to Europe with your family, your beautiful family. And then the next time I heard of you, I was taking my trash out. And my neighbor goes, did you see what Clayton and Natalie said? And I'm like, I only know one Clayton and Natalie. And I was like, Clayton Morris, Natalie Morris.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I never thought I would get to a place where I would nod as somebody said our elites are trafficking children for pedophilia. But actually, once you see what's going on, it makes sense because what is pedophilia? It's a spiritual... I do think that it's more than just a diseased sexual impulse, though. It's clearly that. But it's the desire to defile purity. I think that's what it is.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I think the appeal is you take a child who is... Pure, physically untouched, not corrupted by adult desire. And you destroy that. Yeah. And that's the charge. And that's just, that's a spiritual thing. That's like child sacrifice. It's like... Yeah. Which is ubiquitous. And by the way, it's still happening.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
We can't even get the Epstein tapes. Yeah. Not just the files, but their videotapes.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Yes, and his ranch in New Mexico.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Probably the same people who got into the most secure wing of a secure federal detention facility in Manhattan and murdered the guy. Right. As the guards slept. So probably those people. Probably, yeah. Because anybody who could do that. You know, can't even guess as to who it was, but has a lot of power. Like, that's actual power. You can murder someone in a cell in a federal detention facility.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Oh, yeah. You have power.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Well, and it's the beta liberal husband who beats up his wife. Yes. Because he hates himself.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
No.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
No, no, no. If someone hates himself, he'll definitely hate you. Yeah. It's probably the Germans. I mean, they're haters because they hate themselves. You know, so they... They'll allow you to blow up their pipeline. Right. Spank me harder! Govern me harder!
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
I totally agree. In fact, I was flying back from the Middle East the other night with a German guy sitting next to me. He was pounding the wine. Very nice guy, actually. But I did say, he was talking about Trump is bad or whatever. I said, but you let Joe Biden blow up your main energy source. Kind of a bitch move, no? And he goes, oh... Putin's bad. I was like, okay, fine.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Kind of a non-sequitur though. They just blew up your natural gas pipeline. And he's like, Putin bad. I thought. This is a 17-hour flight. I'm not going to fight with a gun. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
Clayton Morris, it is just wonderful to see you, to have an on-camera reunion after all these years. Oh, it's been my great pleasure and great honor to see you again. Well, it has been wonderful, and I'm just thrilled to... By everything you said and by what you're doing. And once again, I think you've got one of the greatest life stories of anyone I know. So I hope you'll write it.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
But I don't have the credentials that Ann Applebaum does and is a genius. I do look at her and I say, man, you are smart, I must say. Yeah. These people... Great to see you, man. Thank you. Great to see you. We want to thank you for watching us on Spotify, a company that we use every day. We know the people who run it, good people. While you're here, do us a favor.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
And he's like, yeah, and redacted their show. Did you see it? And I was like, no. Anyway, and then I dove in and I saw that you had become legit successful in a completely different. business saying things that I loved and that were true and really brave. So it's just great to see you after all this time. What a life story you've had.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
It seems like suicide to me, big picture. It seems like a society that wants to kill itself.
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Clayton Morris: Truth About the USS Liberty, Europe’s Self-Destruction, & Is Brigitte Macron a Man?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Well, I mean, the Biden administration imposed the Green New Deal on Germany with high explosives by blowing up Nord Stream. So on many levels, I don't understand. So you have the largest player in NATO committing an act of terror, industrial terrorism, against the second largest player in NATO. How does NATO still exist, honestly? And why does nobody say anything about it?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
If you could just speculate, I know it's not your country. And when all the rest of Europe is gone, I have no doubt Hungary will remain as it has for a thousand years. But why do you think even now there's no Nord Stream to me as a total outsider seems like a pivot point in the history of Europe? It really seems like a big deal. I share your point. Right.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
And obviously, it was also the largest emission of greenhouse gases caused by humans in the history of civilization, and no one mentioned it. But why is there no conversation about it? I really don't understand that. And every time I bring it up in Europe, people look embarrassed and try to walk away from me.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
It hasn't helped, I don't think, the European Union.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
I couldn't agree more. But I also think, and tell me, I'd love your perspective on this. It's my instinct that the fortunes of Europe, the economic fortunes of Europe, security condition of Europe, really matters to the United States because it's just inexorably, it's fundamentally part of a block. It's the West. So if Europe declines, I don't see how that helps the U.S.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Do you feel good about that?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
So both the structures that overlay Europe, NATO, and the EU seem like they've played out or they're not working as intended. I think we can say that.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
So why not a different structure with an alliance of countries that have something in common, a common worldview, similar economies, say, east of Switzerland, central and eastern Europe, and then sort of let... You know, France and Britain sort of enjoy the fruits of the decisions that they've made.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
There's a famous – the first famous picture of you is from 1989 getting arrested by Russian-backed security forces. You were a student protest leader against the effective Russian occupation of your country in Eastern Europe. So with that in mind, I've listened for the past three years to you denounced as a Putin puppet in our press. What's your response to that? Are you? I don't know.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
I remember one of your advisors telling me years ago, whispering to me at dinner that the US government, the State Department and agencies like USAID were working against you, funding your opposition indirectly and really trying to subvert democracy in your country and thinking, boys, can that be true? It turns out now it is true.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
I don't know.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
And I wonder when the rest of us are going to get details on what exactly the State Department did to end democracy in Hungary.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Less than a year in, there was what seems like a pretty meaningful attempt to end it, to settle the conflict, and that was scuttled by the Biden administration using the former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Why do you think... The Biden administration wanted the war to continue, and it wasn't just Johnson. It was the UK more broadly.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Its whole political establishment was fanatically, is to this day fanatically. Still, still. What is that? They're not historic enemies, by the way, keep in mind. They were allied in the last big war. They've never been invaded by Russia. Like, why is Britain so intent on killing all these Ukrainians? I don't understand.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Yes. I don't think so. You're the longest serving leader in Europe. I thought you might have.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Totally fair. Can you just describe for those who haven't, I mean, you're very much, you know, you're not far from the fighting, by the way, for people who haven't looked at a map. So can you describe the effects on Europe of this war for those of us who don't live on the continent? Like what effects has this had, do you think?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
I mean, from an American perspective, the Biden administration has succeeded in driving Russia into deep integration with China. Deep integration, both economically and militarily. And that's terrible from our perspective.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
But to come back and try and bring Russia back into swift, even something as simple as that, you're fighting against three years of some of the most vicious, over the top, leave no room for compromise rhetoric about Russia. where Putin is daily described as Hitler. So can you actually do that once these words have been spoken? No.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Yes.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
You were the first person, I mean, I live in the United States, so I live in such a North Korean news vacuum that I was shocked when I spoke to you in the summer of 2022 and asked, who do you think will win this war? And you laughed and you said, have you looked at the populations? Russia's 100 million more people. And I thought, why have I never heard this before?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Everything you're saying now is what you were saying two and a half years ago. And you were proven right. I'm not happy with that anyway. No, I know. But I guess what I'm saying is Western policymakers also have access to Wikipedia. So how did they not know this?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
No, that's a very diplomatic description. From our perspective, it looked like looting by Western businesses that resulted in the lowest life expectancy in Europe by far. And the story from Putin's ascension in 2000 is climbing Russian life expectancy, which I think is a fair measure. of a country's health.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
I will introduce our next guest, who is the longest serving leader in Europe by far. And he is someone that I interviewed several years ago for the first time. He is, of course, the prime minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban. Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister. And I was just thinking back when I worked at a giant publicly traded news company and interviewed you for the first time.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
And there's deep resentment that he didn't allow foreign business interests to dominate his country. I mean, fair?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Why would anyone want to spread, you know, deadly ideas like open borders or transgenderism? Hey, how about no grandchildren for you? How about, you know, nobody reproduces anymore? What would be the motive for spreading poison like that?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
I know you don't forget that. How would you rate Zelensky as the leader of Ukraine?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Many billions of dollars of Western weapons have flowed into Ukraine. A lot of them have been sold. It's a fact. And I wonder if you're concerned about the effect on your security of this. I mean, you have lots of weapons floating around anywhere. It's dangerous. And is anyone keeping track? of some of these advanced weapons, actually, where they are.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
So... I think that's right. So the new defense secretary in the United States, Pete Hegseth, gave a speech two days ago in which he started by saying Ukraine is not joining NATO. So that's that's the core that that question was the cause of this war. That's the baseline demand of Russia. I think it makes intuitive sense to even people who don't like Russia can understand why they want that.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
So now that the United States has just said that, is that the basis of a peace agreement? What else do we need to get to peace?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Are we going to have to invade France? Is that what you're saying? Sorry. Sorry. Just kidding. No one wants France at this point. Sorry. Discussing another. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Another another form. Another form. I totally get it. Optimistically, though, if if you if you believe, you know, I think the Trump administration really the president has said it a number of times. We need to end this.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Do you think it's possible that we see like a permanent resolution within the next six months? Is that realistic to answer that?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Last question, and I appreciate this, and I want to say before you leave, I'll just say it. I don't mind sucking up. I think there's a reason you're the longest-serving leader in Europe.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Which did you enjoy more, honestly?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Where do you think the European public is? You said a couple of times that the behavior of the leadership of some Western nations calls into question democracy itself. Is there accurate public polling information on how Europeans, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Brits, how they actually feel about the war in Ukraine?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Because your life force is intact.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
You're a democratically elected leader of a European nation and it was considered controversial to interview you because your ideas were considered eccentric and they included emphasis on the middle class and families. They included above all secure borders, serving your citizens before you serve foreigners. And that was all considered super radical and dangerous.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
Well, it's certainly a vindication for you. If I can just go back to something you said, you said that Soros and his aligned NGOs and the movement that he represents has pushed these things because they sincerely believe them to be true. But they haven't pushed them on any nation outside the West.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
No one is pushing China to let in a million or 10 million relative to its size migrants here or India or for that matter, Korea or Japan or the Philippines or any other country. It's only Western countries. Why, in their mind, is it only Western countries that need unrestricted migration?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
So this has been going on since the end of the last big war, so 80 years, particularly migration. And so I think we can render some judgment. How has that worked for the big nations of Europe, for Britain, Germany, France? Can we look back and say that experiment was a success?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
And I wonder if you feel vindicated years later by watching what happened to the rest of Europe when they didn't follow those simple ideas.
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
The word democracy has been changed. Its meaning has been changed in the United States to mean whatever the people in charge want is democracy. But you're referring to it by its traditional meaning, which means what the majority wants, correct?
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Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban on USAID, Trump, Immigration, NATO, and the Russia/Ukraine War
So Germany specifically, from the outside, you're a European leader, but from an American perspective, Germany is the dominant economic player in the continent. The giant. It feels that way from our perspective. And so what is the German economy, what does it look like right now? How would you assess it?
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
Thank you both very much. Oliver, you first.
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
It's what we face right now. Yeah. So how was that speech received?
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
You know, when did you start to go... Well, I am conservative on many things, but I...
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
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Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick: War Profiteering, Nuclear Tech, NATO v. Russia, & War With Iran
So, Oliver, you know Putin as well as any American, or you spend at least as much time with him as any living American. Characterize what he's like, if you would.
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Of course, yes.
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Right, but I mean, as an adult, to see the party that was the party of peace and reconciliation become the war party.
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So what is nuclear winter?
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So what do you think Putin's view of nuclear war is?
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Can I ask, not to digress, but what was the point of the intervention in Serbia, the post-Yugoslav interventions? Yes.
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Yeah.
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What's interesting though is as that was happening and NATO was bombing and Wes Clark was becoming famous and all that, I don't think I heard a single debate in the United States over why we were doing this.
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And it's why they're the most attacked.
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I remember it very well in the late night comics, who are always tools of... the existing order jumped in, but why do you think that film and that topic, I mean.
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What do you think accounts for, big picture, the hostility of NATO and Europe to Russia? What is that?
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But you're arguing that it's more than just economics that are driving this.
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It's kind of an irony, though, that Oliver Stone, after winning three Oscars, would be excommunicated from Hollywood by the same people for thought crimes. I didn't get excommunicated yet. Please don't. That you would be even vigorously criticized is a little strange.
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Are there any filmmakers left in Hollywood who can take on the biggest questions, like the power of the intelligence?
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So the bombing of Japan was really aimed as a message to the Soviets.
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Yeah, it's still Warsaw Pact country.
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So it seems like we're relying now on Putin's restraint.
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So just for some context, what is the difference between the atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima and the current nuclear arsenal? How much more advanced are nuclear weapons now?
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That's how mythology, these presidents. Right, the retroactive justification. So do you think that, you know, you said the world's nuclear arsenal has dramatically declined.
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But do you think in that decline is, of course, at the end of the Soviet empire in 1991? Do you think that all of those warheads were accounted for? We certain that they were destroyed?
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Diplomatic is a little strong. By diplomacy, it's just, you know, regime change. Kill the leader you disagree with. Diplomacy is a dirty word now in the United States.
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Here's the thing that I think people need to understand. The information operation is not Mockingbird. It's everybody. How much do you think Putin worries about nuclear war?
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Peter, I'm interested in your perspective. Why do you think the entire United States, from a position of greater weakness, has, with Europe, pivoted against Russia of all the potential enemies? Why Russia?
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I haven't heard an American president say anything like that since Kennedy. Sorry, so you said, you're talking about Russia, you said it is a Christian culture.
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So you think that Russia sees this as a conflict between a Christian culture and a secular culture? Ours being a secular culture? I think some people do, yeah. Yeah.
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How do you suppose the incoming Trump administration can fix this?
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Yes.
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In the settlement, do you think it's as simple as telling the Russians no NATO? That'll end it?
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So there was a point in American history when the Congress considered banning war profiteering.
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So that's such an obvious idea that your national industry shouldn't get rich from war.
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Because it sets up an incentive for those same industries to lobby for war, which is what we do now. It's a self-evidently good idea, it seems to me. What happened to it?
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But they failed to get control of the system in 1934, and no one's tried since.
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What's interesting, though, is that history now regards anybody who had second thoughts about the First World War and anyone who didn't want to get into another war in Europe in the 30s as pro-Nazi. That is how they're isolationist, they're pro-Hitler. Do you think that's a fair characterization?
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So is it strange for you, we touched at the outset at, and as Oliver put it, the complete inversion of American politics, but you were, you said an anti-war protester during Vietnam, then you watched the party you voted for become the war party. Like what happened? What caused that inversion?
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But what, I mean, what caused that? How did Liz Cheney wind up campaigning with Kamala Harris?
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Do you think he'll be able to do it? Trump will be able to bring reform?
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Yes.
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So last question that you both, I think, can answer in an informed way. I'll start with you, Peter. History and its uses. It does seem like we're in a moment where people are at least open to reassessing their interpretations of what happened, particularly in the last 100 years, the 20th century. Do you think that 50 years from now, our grandkids will be reading a different version of history?
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Of course, it's Yeah, and that's what Oliver and I- Most reliable guidepost to the future. So, I mean, do you think, we were talking about JFK, and when it came out 30 years ago, you were roundly mocked, you were no longer mocked. People see it as likely at the very least. Yeah, I think so. It seems that way.
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So why? Why are they so intent on keeping the information?
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If you had to guess as to why they're holding these documents 60 odd years later, what would it be?
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Yes.
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None of that is surprising, but none of it, I would say, accounts for the shift after the one that Oliver referred to after 2014 at Maidan.
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said that we needed a new Pearl Harbor in order to rebuild, how do you think they felt about 9-11?
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23 years later.
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Well, you were once derided as a conspiracy. I don't think so anymore. But I'm still alive. You've lived to see your own vindication.
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Can you flesh that out a little bit? It was the last big speech he gave before he was murdered. It was a great speech. What did he say?
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How many Black students were studying for a PhD? Black students?
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Did you keep in touch with the other two guys in your class?
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That was back when people talked in public about economics. They don't anymore? No. There's not a lot of public, it's all about race or sexuality or whatever. But I don't think that I have heard in, like at dinner, a debate about economics in 25 years.
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Have you noticed that, though, that the incidence of public debate about economic, just people talking about it, like what's the right system? You don't hear that.
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So how would you compare the environment at MIT to the one that you're now leaving at Brown on an academic level?
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That sounds like a good thing.
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You said you've seen various waves of sexual liberation movements. And over the last 50 years, there have been a number of them. Was anyone liberated, do you think?
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So what, I mean, it's a very complex subject, and you've obviously lived at the middle of it for a long time, but... What is the verdict? Was all of that good for African-Americans or not, or probably a mix of both? But like, how would you describe what we know now?
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Wait, so right at the, I mean, there are probably, you got to campus in 1968?
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I experienced all of this from like sort of the other side. I didn't grow up around a lot of black people, only kind of rich black people. And, but I grew up around a lot of white liberals who were very invested in talking about the civil rights movement. And from that, they derived like moral authority, great moral authority. Like I'm on the side of black people, therefore I'm a good person.
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Yeah. And it does feel like maybe they were the great beneficiaries of the whole thing. Like there was sort of no downside for them.
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It does feel that way. I mean, again, I've never lived on the south side of Chicago, but I've heard a lot of rich people talk about it.
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So there were Vietnam War protests going on on campuses all over the country. They were. But it was still, you think, less political than it is now?
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So I always blame, again, not my world, and I've never really been that focused on these questions, but I live here, so it's like everyone's always talking about it. And I always blamed the black leaders for this, for what you just described. I agree with everything you said. It seems obviously true. But I always thought, you know, it's Sharpton's fault or Jesse Jackson's fault or whatever.
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And it took me a long, I'm still trying to figure it out, but it does seem like they themselves were pawns, actually. Yeah. That's my current thinking on this. I don't know if you've thought about this or noticed this or know what I'm talking about, but it does feel like, you know, you can criticize Sharpton or whatever, and you should.
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It's obviously corrupt and it's all silly and all that, the shakedown, all that stuff. But, like, he's not doing that by himself, actually. He's being used by other people, probably not black people, who are deriving some bigger advantage from the status quo.
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And they never get any attention. You're like, so if you're NBC and you're hiring Sharpton, again, I personally, as I told you last night, probably horrified you. I kind of like Sharpton because I think he's smart. He's amusing. But he's, you know, I think been probably pretty bad for the country. I don't think he's helped black people at all.
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But like if you're NBC, why are you, you're driving an advantage from the system that is not helping the people Sharpton says he supports. Like why they're never blamed for that, I guess is what I'm saying.
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Yeah. But conservatives mostly don't, actually. They blame Sharpton. Or I'll speak for myself as a conservative lifelong. I would always be like, Sharpton's the problem. And it's like, no, I think the whole, I'm just really struck. I don't know too much about it, but I'm really struck by the difference. Like I grew up thinking, you know, Martin Luther King was like a great man.
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I still think great things about him. And Malcolm X was a really sort of evil figure. But if you listen to Malcolm X, he's a lot closer with some big differences, but in general to what you're describing as positive. Correct.
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So like all high school students, I read the autobiography of Malcolm X, which I don't even know if it was written by Malcolm X. It was written by Alex Haley, but... I don't know to what extent it reflected his real views. But then with YouTube, I watched a couple of Malcolm X speeches. And it was like a totally different person from the one I was presented in high school.
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And much more along the lines of what you just said. And I was like, well, why isn't this guy much more famous than he is now? One of the speeches, he goes off after white liberals. And he's like, you know, whites are bad, whites are a problem. But the real problem is white liberals. I was like, you go, Malcolm X. Why isn't he...
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It almost feels like his message has been suppressed a little bit, maybe.
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I've never understood what that meant.
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Yeah. Probably some truth in that. Well, you're the conspiracy theorist. Hardly.
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I watched a couple of Malcolm X speeches, and it was like a totally different person from the one I was presented in high school. And I was like, well, why isn't this guy much more famous than he is now? One of the speeches, he goes off after white liberals, and he's like, you know, whites are bad, whites are a problem. But the real problem is white liberals. I was like, you go.
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And that hasn't happened. But you have to ask yourself, well, you know, why 60 years later, are they still classified in the first place? Like, what is that? And I don't think it's because the truth is easy to deal with. I mean, I still think the truth 60 years later is really threatening to somebody, clearly. Because on some level, like, why would you care?
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If you found out there was a, you know, complex conspiracy to assassinate Garfield, you'd be like, okay, you know, it's long over. Like, I think we can tell the truth. Everyone's dead. Exactly. So it does make you wonder, like, well, what is this, actually?
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Not to sidetrack the conversation, but what were you doing at the printing plant? What was your job?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
And I know for a fact, a verifiable fact, that the pushback against declassifying this stuff within the government has been very intense, very intense. So that tells you that there's something worth hiding. I certainly hope, because I believe in disclosure and honesty, that it all comes out.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
But you do get the feeling, not as a conspiracy nut, but as an honest person trying to make sense of history in the present, that a lot of our assumptions are based on things that aren't true or fully true. Do you sense that?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
I mean, in some ways, I mean, obviously you've been an African-American conservative for a long time, moved around, but basically you've been against the conventional view of things for a long time, I would say. Yeah. But you're also working within like the very heart of the system. Harvard, Brown, MIT, like you're, you know, you have every possible credential.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
So at what point did it occur to you that maybe some of this was fake? When did you start to think that?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
The best dinner with her last night, yes. She's awesome.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
And it's been uncomfortable, you said.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Why?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Do you think you've been bamboozled?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
How?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
You are the master of understatement, I must say. I have reason now to be skeptical of that. You do. I think I can confirm that.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
No.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Yeah. Yeah. I'm younger than you, but I've had a similar... I'm not even sure it's awakening. I don't know the answers to most of the questions that you just asked, but I know that they're valid questions. And it's important to push back a little bit, right? Because... But how weird is it to... Especially for you, because again, you have pushed back against the status quo for a long time.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
That's why you're famous. So you've been, to be blunt, much more of a free thinker than most people, certainly at the university level. So it's not like you were just like following orders anyway. It must be particularly weird for you to realize that some of your assumptions may not be true.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
So, if you don't mind, if you just describe the process of realizing that, what made you come to that conclusion?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
And can you, for those who aren't in right-wing world like me and you, can you just describe the Manhattan Institute?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
I used to write for them.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Yeah, Myron Magnet was the editor. He was a wonderful man, ran City Journal.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
What did they print at the plant?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
And- Can I ask you just, you made such a point that I think it's worth underlining. The Manhattan Institute, and particularly City Journal, its flagship publication, are concerned, have been for 30 years, with domestic issues. This is not the Hudson Institute. This is not AI. This is like an overwhelmingly domestic-focused organization. Is that fair?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
I am completely obsessed with Alp, and we're totally focused on getting it into the hands of everyone who wants a tin of it. We're working very hard to do that. We're very proud to announce our newest retail partnership, Niko Kick and Northerner. This is a huge step forward to making Alp more accessible. So he's a professor at Brown. Yeah, a very distinguished historian.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
And I think it's fair to say he's not an anti-Semite. He's Israeli. Oh, okay. I just wanted this to be clear to everyone listening. So it's not like you didn't have Louis Farrakhan on the show to, like, call Judaism and God a religion or something. You had an Israeli historian of the Holocaust on.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Oh, I remember very well.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
In the same restrained, non-radical way you're describing it now to me?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
So it was like the size of a steel plant. It was like a hole. Yeah.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
So that's it? You didn't say you didn't like espouse violence or...
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
That doesn't seem, I mean, people could disagree with you for sure, but it doesn't seem like radical or crazy.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Well, including the one you interviewed, I guess. your colleague at Brown.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Yeah. Oh, I know.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
But it was a debate. So you had. Yeah, I had both. I've never heard of Cockerell. I don't know.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Yeah, but Lake is prominent, but both sides were represented. I guess that's what I just want to establish for a little bit.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
And that's it? That's the only contact you had?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
I know Raihan is one of the, as it sounds like he was a friend of yours too, is one of the world's nicest people.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
First of all, it's so sad, and I would agree. I think the Manhattan Institute's been a force for good, and they've been kind to me. You know, 30 years ago, when I didn't have any money, I worked for them on the side. They were great, and I really like Raihan. I like everyone I know there. Chris Ruffo, I think, is there. Good people.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Wow.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
But I think this is a really revealing thing that you're describing, and I wonder if the conversation had been about an American bombing campaign, somewhere there have been so many, right? But of any country that we've been bombing, you know, and you had said, I think this amounts to collective punishment. And I think it's wrong. This is not how civilized nations behave.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
If you'd said that about the United States, would you have gotten the same reaction?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
I just think it feels to me counterproductive. I love the United States. I'm never leaving. Tons of things about American history I would not defend. Why would I? Slavery. You know, I like the American Indians. I don't think they were treated very well. That's part of our founding, and it's depressing, and I'm happy to say that. I think the Vietnam War was a disaster. Iraq was a disaster. The U.S.
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government did all that stuff. And I say that as someone who really loves America, and I'm not attacking America, but, like, it's okay to say that. It doesn't mean I hate America, right? Don't you think that's a better way to approach public debate rather than just like any you must read these lines and anyone who disagrees is like a Nazi? That's not that doesn't help the people pushing it.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Malcolm X. It almost feels like his message has been suppressed a little bit, maybe. Thank you, Professor, for coming. So you just, you told me last night at dinner that you just, after about 50 years, taught your last course at Brown. You just left Brown. Big picture question first. You've taught for so long. How has it changed?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
So you get to campus, you're married with two kids, you're working in a printing plant and you're probably don't have time to like throw tear gas on the quad.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Because it's a threat to have someone like you say something like that?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Well, I mean, I just have lived in that world for so long, 35 years, that, you know, in conservative world, very famous, you were a very famous guy. And so I think you have real importance in that world, of course. But why would it be more of a threat for you to say that than for one of your white colleagues with the same views to say that?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
I'm not either. I don't want to get involved in any of this stuff is my personal view.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Clearly, they are. I'm just, I'm struck by something you said a few minutes ago that when you had Bartov, your colleague, the Israeli, on your podcast, his views are widely represented in Israel. They are. Well, having been to Israel a number of times, I know a lot of Israelis. I know that that's true, that there is a robust debate about these kinds of things there, but not here. What is that?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
uh from straying too far from uh acceptable uh representations well it's not working it's making you know moderate people radical in a way that's not helpful to anybody i just want to say i'm against it i'm against radicalism in general and um that's not the way to win people over i don't think it hasn't won why didn't someone just call you and say hey Glenn, this is like not your area.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
We're old friends. Why don't we have lunch and I'll kind of give you my perspective and like just talk it through.
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It doesn't help whatever cause they think they're advancing.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Do you know how many lazy people are at think tanks? Like 99% of them, you're probably like the most productive person. I mean, I'm not to be mean, but there are a lot of senior fellows at think tanks who don't do anything. Yeah.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Yeah. Well, I have lived it. I've worked at a think tank. And I'm not attacking anybody. It's an employment program. I got it. But I would think from the perspective of a think tank, well, that's why I guess they hired you in the first place. It's good to have someone who's well-known, can explain himself well, and likes to work.
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Are you worried about speech? I mean, because obviously the ability to think freely is at the heart of education. And I mean, that is education. So are you worried about it? The state of it? Speech in the United States?
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How could you love something like that?
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How long do you think that'll last?
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Why is a college better than YouTube?
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So you were working second shift, so that's 4 to midnight?
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Man, that's a busy family. So you have no time at all then.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
What did you think of the protests, given everything else you had to do?
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Yeah.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
What did your radical relatives think of your life path? Of your life path of going to college, studying.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
Yes. What did your dad do?
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You've taught at, you know, the most prestigious universities in the world. How have the schools changed? How have the students changed? Do you leave more hopeful or more concerned? Big question. Yeah, that's a big question. I'll admit it.
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So he believed in paying your taxes?
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
So he was the Patton of the Kansas City IRS office.
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Glenn Loury: Ousted for Opposing Middle Eastern Wars, MLK Files, & the One Thing Malcolm X Got Right
What was the atmosphere like there then?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Thanks for joining us, Mr. Prime Minister.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
You've been attacked with the US Congress. The core question for me is, if Qatarsi is an enemy of the United States, why is our air base here? Have there been calls to remove the air base?
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So the president's envoy in this region and to Ukraine and globally at this point is Steve Witkoff, his friend. And Witkoff, who I think has done a good, for the record, I think has done a good job, but was attacked in some U.S. media for his, he had done business in your country. And he was attacked as a tool of your government.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So Trump gets elected in November, inaugurated in January, and immediately there's a ceasefire. Almost immediately, with Steve Whitcomb leading the negotiations with your help. But that's coming after years of bloodshed, utterly destabilizing this part of the world, the world itself. Where was the Biden administration during all of that?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
One of the criticisms of your country is that you're too close to Iran. I should say you're very physically close to Iran.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Right across the water?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So, how would you describe your relationship with Iran? And why do you think you're being criticized for it?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
This is in the Gulf. This is under sea.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Against Iran. Against Iran, yeah. Right, which was backing Hezbollah when you were opposed.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So why do you think that is? This used to be called cultural imperialism, taking your values and using force to impose them on another society. But this is probably the richest country per capita in the world. It's free. Qataris can come and go. They don't have to live here. They choose to live here. and your values are thousands of years old, why would it be important for an NGO?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So I think it's the policy of your government that you oppose Iran getting nuclear weapons. Certainly your neighbors are on the record against it. How close do you think Iran is to getting a nuclear weapon, to building one?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So you had the World Cup a few years ago here. It was very widely covered around the world, and part of the coverage, maybe the majority of the coverage, was not about soccer, football. It was about your country and how it was, you know, needed to come into line with the social mores of the West, etc. There was a lot of lecturing to your country about the way that you live. Did you feel that?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So there's a nuclear site directly across from you?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
I thought they were supposed to be feeding people, but instead they're yelling at you for not having enough transgender Qataris. What is the point of that? What do you think that actually is? What are they trying to do?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So there's a great deal of pressure in Washington on the White House and on the Congress to participate in or sign off on an attack, an aerial bombardment of the Iran nuclear sites, however many there actually are. One of which, as you said, is directly across from you. So you think about this a lot. What would be the consequences if that happens?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
And that's not theoretical, as you know, that that could happen soon. What would happen next?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
May I ask, just going back a second, you've said that there's the Iranian nuclear facility directly across the water from you. If that were blown up and nuclear material wound up in the water, since it's right on the water, what would happen to the water?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Oh, so that would be a history-changing environmental catastrophe.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So they don't have maps in the Senate?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Do you think, I mean, to the extent you can say, I should say you're the prime minister, but you're also the foreign minister, so you, this is what you do all day, every day. But to the extent you can say, do you think that the Iranian government
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is willing to de-escalate through negotiation, open up its nuclear sites to international inspection of some kind, reassure the world they're not two weeks away from getting a bomb, as we read practically every day on the Internet, whether it's true or not. I mean, do you think that's achievable?
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And you get a post-purchase survey. They'll probably send it to you. Tell them you heard about it here. That's good for everybody. We hope you enjoy it. There's talk in the United States of increasing sanctions on Iran. I didn't know that was possible, but Iran has been under some form of sanctions for almost 50 years, 46 years, I think. Have they achieved their intended goal?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
And bigger picture, have you ever seen sanctions against anybody achieve their intended goal?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
They still have the revolutionary government from 1979 in power, right?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Fidel Castro died in Havana after 50 years of U.S. sanctions.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So three of the biggest oil producing countries in the world, Venezuela, Russia, Iran, have been under, I mean, the most extensive sanctions in history. Yes. They're still selling oil, though.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Like a lot of oil.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So an official here told me a funny story, and I want to check to see if it's true. This person told me that some... Bureau or commission in the United Nations was rating the human rights here in Qatar and said, in order to score higher, you have to build nursing homes for your old people to live.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So you cut out U.S. countries, you weaken the U.S. dollar, you make the country more repressive, inevitably, but you don't dislodge the leadership, whether it's Putin, Chavez Maduro, the Ayatollahs in Iran, Fidel Castro. And you don't prevent them from selling their oil in international markets. So why exactly would you levy sanctions?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
I mean, I think that's true. It's not an ideological point.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So why do we keep doing it?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Okay, so... Again, I don't think what you're saying should be controversial because it's provable.
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Go to Wikipedia.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So why? I mean, just I think this morning I was reading, we're going to sanction this person more. There's got to be some reason that the U.S. Congress and various administrations have continued to want to do this, even though there's absolute proof that it doesn't work. What would be the reason to do it?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Well, it doesn't seem to be.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
And this person tried to explain, you know, we don't have nursing homes because old people, parents live with their children. But you built them anyway in order to get a higher score on this, and they remained empty.
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Yeah, I think that's true. How does the Ukraine war end, do you think?
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I hate to say it, but I think Russia's partners are probably willing to express support for a settlement. I don't know if Ukraine's are, and that would be Europe, Great Britain, and Western Europe. And, I mean, you just saw the Prime Minister of Britain say the other day, we're going to send British troops to Ukraine.
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You participated in a successful ceasefire between Israel and Gaza. And who knows if that lasts? I mean, I don't know when this is going to air, so I don't even want to speculate. But clearly it's been awful for everybody. Certainly been awful for Gaza. It's been awful for its neighbors. I think it's been really bad for Israel. I mean, it's just kind of hard to see an upside. Yeah.
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So how would you, if you were in charge, fix this 80-year-old conflict for good?
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Not even a real country. It's demilitarized.
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Do you think Donald Trump can force a Palestinian state?
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Is Qatar at net zero? I know there was some enthusiasm about making sure you got to net zero.
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Does that mean you're dead if you're at net zero?
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Well, they're also on the verge of revolution in some cases because they destroyed the lives of their people.
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He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, drive safely, sir, and hands back his license and registration. No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like Al and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nick of time. In an age of 350 million, people are guessing there are about 350 million Alp stories. Email us yours.
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We want to know and read it on the air. Email tellall at alppouch.com. Tellall at alppouch.com. Give us your Alp story. It does seem like things have changed just in the past six months. partly because of the electricity needs of AI, of EVs, all the stuff baked in the cake, the clear limits of renewables, like they can't actually run a modern society, that's all obvious now.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
And so a lot of investment funds and politicians have sort of pulled back from the net zero theology. But what's amazing to me is that it seems like some of them really believed it. I mean, in the case of Qatar, you're opening up a new gas field. And I think some like even energy people laughed at you and said that there's kind of no future for gas. Yeah.
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So there was a projection in 2018 that no one would want to buy your natural gas?
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And basically... That's so far out of whack with observable reality. Like, that's insane, obviously.
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So that was obvious to just interested non-experts like me, or just people who read about it, like on the side. But the IMF researchers and energy analysts who came up with this projection, do you think they really believed it?
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So they're lying to you in order to keep you from exploiting energy.
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To convert it to a liquid state in order to ship it across the ocean. Yes. So LNG is liquefied natural gas.
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It does, if you take three steps back, it's like they're mad at you because you don't have enough transgenders. They're mad at you because you don't put your parents in some institution. Maybe they're trying to break up your families.
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I mean, looking back, I think we can be a little bit more... uh critical and tried to understand what the green agenda was or net zero was um but no one ever explained without natural gas how are you going to get fertilizer and plastic did anyone ever explain that to you no they have no answers even i mean look even people with the
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Does it make you nervous that the smartest, most powerful people in the world could jump to conclusions they didn't think through without evidence? That they could just say something was true without knowing it was true and thinking through the consequences? I mean, it seems like a kind of mass insanity that took over the world.
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Yeah.
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Mr. Prime Minister, thank you very much.
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So that's kind of the key is that when you are cut off, when you're alone, you are powerless and you can be controlled.
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You can be penetrated.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
Your country has been in the American media sporadically recently and it's under attack for reasons I don't fully understand. One of the reasons I wanted to come here was to understand why people are mad at you. And I think you've got the biggest overseas U.S. air base right near here. So you're clearly a U.S. ally.
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
But I keep reading reference to Qatar as anti-American or pro-Islamist or a threat to the United States somehow. Where do those attacks come from, do you think?
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War With Iran? The Prime Minister of Qatar Is Being Attacked in the Media for Wanting to Stop It
So my sense is that part of the criticism and the confusion from Americans, well, I think two causes. One, you have a Hamas office here. And Hamas has been designated, I think, repeatedly by the U.S. government and certainly by the Congress as a terror organization. And people say, well, how could you have a Hamas office here? What is that?
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asked you to put a Hamas office here?
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Initially at the request of the U.S. government.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Mr. Secretary, thank you very much for joining us. So we're at the Treasury Department. The president had a press conference yesterday next door in which he announced a whole new tariff regime, global. He'd been promising to do this, well, for 40 years, really. It came not out of nowhere, but it was clearly his intent all along, as stated.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Do you ever think, since your job is to, part of your job is to forecast, like, the effects of these policies, that you have, well, you've got probably one out of six people in this country's here illegally, maybe 50 million illegal aliens, and the president said he wants to deport them. Then you have AI, and the projections there are massive labor market disruption, fewer people needed.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
You alluded to that a minute ago. Then you have the tariffs, and, like, we can guess their effect, but we don't really know because we've never done it. And then you have the reaction from the rest of the world to those tariffs. Like there's so many huge factors that are effectively unknown that are black boxes. Really?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Do you ever think like, wow, you know, it's kind of hard to know what's going to happen.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
What's the scramble, the lobbying scramble by foreign governments going to be like over the next three months? Because the president said yesterday, you know, we're putting a universal tariff, you know, one standard, but then of course each country's adjusted according to a lot of different factors, trade deficit, currency manipulation, regulation, and then tariffs.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
But, you know, this is all, as you said, a moving picture. It's a developing situation. So like, if I pick a country, you know, Vietnam, China, I mean, I'm going to really try to bring pressure to bear on this administration to adjust those numbers.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
You want to sell to Americans, you got to make it in America. Sure.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So how is China as a nation going to, I mean, this is such a big challenge. It's directly in their face. It's about every country on the globe, but it's really more than any other country about China, I think it's fair to say. How are they going to respond? What's the retaliation look like?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So you're describing, you know, the famous scenario where if you take a bank loan, the bank is in charge, they can repossess whatever you barred against. But if you take a big enough loan, you're kind of in charge of the bank.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
And they've just got such a big deficit with us that- They need our markets.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Are you confident that there's like a clear enough channel of communication between the two governments that the details can be worked out and that nothing will go crazy in the meantime?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So you said at the outset, the first example, the analogy that you used was President Reagan's first term, you know, obviously big win in 80, recession of 82, wipe out, and then like the biggest landslide in history in 84. So you're suggesting by saying that, that, you know, the fruits were obvious within the first term, within four years.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
yes and i think the american people are going to hate it again so it's einstein's definition of insanity doing the same thing again again and expecting a different do you think that um and this is really aimed at the people who support president trump and who agree with you wholeheartedly that the current system was really bad and like drive across the country you'll see how bad it has been horrible
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
They lowered life expectancy. But the people who are hoping that yesterday's move will lead to a demonstrably brighter future within four years, is it your sincere prediction that within four years, we'll say, actually, that kind of worked?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
But it did rattle people, including some of his supporters. So I just wanted to ask you, big picture, where do you think this leads?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
You grew up in a middle-class, working-class background. You were very successful, lived in rich person world for a long time. While this was all going on, and I just have to ask you candidly, were you ever at dinner with people who were like, wow, you know, we're doing great? I live in rich person world, too. I'm not criticizing you at all. But like, did anyone at dinner ever say,
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
wow, you know, I just tried to drive somewhere for 100 miles, and this country doesn't look good. Like, people are not thriving. Was there any sense of that among people you knew?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Thank you.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Thank you.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So that's the response you think. But it's just, do you find it interesting that even now, 2025, when everything is abstract and digital, that gold is still... widely believed globally to be a reliable store of value?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So over the course of my life, 55 years, Wall Street really has been the commonly recognized measure of economic health. Like, how's the Dow doing? We've got entire TV channels devoted to tracking its progress, which has mostly been up during the course of my life. So if the equity averages fall, if the stock market falls,
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So this is an unelected president of a client state whose bureaucrats are being paid directly by American taxpayers, including their retirement accounts are funded by us.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
we're paying for that and so at a certain point you know you wouldn't expect a man like that in a highly precarious position i think it's fair to say to like assume a high-handed tone with american officials and berate them and sniff a lot and say you know just basically act like a crazy person like how do you account for that the arrogance what is that
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Are we ever going to get an audit of where all of our billions went? Where are all the weapons we sent? What happened to all the cash? All the pallets of $100 bills, where are they now? Why is it hard to get an audit of what happened to the money?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
That's seen by a lot of people as like a measure that the economy itself is in decline. Do you think that's a fair measure?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
For a treasurer's secretary, you're a very capable diplomat, I must say, very diplomatic language. Last question, how do you, so because this is also new, just going back to the tariff announcement yesterday, and because it's like, it really is a total departure from what all of us have grown up with and our expectations and however much you support it, it's new.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
And people are freaked out about it. How do you keep message discipline in an administration, in any administration, in this one specifically? How do you decide how you're going to explain this? Who's going to explain it? How do you keep messages from contradicting one another? What is that process like?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
But do you ever say like, you know, maybe this is someone who can reassure potential bond buyers, investors in markets. This person scares the crap out of markets. Like, let's get the guy who reassures markets.
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Right. So it's a deeper, so actually the markets are, you're saying in this specific case with tech stocks, are taking like a real measure of the value of companies relative to foreign companies.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Fair. The president suggested in describing his plan for tariffs, he said, look, you could conceivably fund a lot of government with tariffs. And that would suggest that taxpayers fund less of the burden. And so do you expect that these will be accompanied by a congressionally-approved tax cut for the middle class?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
And do you think but it would require congressional participation to get there to move tax rates, of course, are set by the Congress. So, well.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So looking at, say, a year from now, so beginning of next April, do you have any sense of how much the U.S. government anticipates bringing in from the tariffs announced yesterday?
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
So you've obviously thought this through. You think that the United States has the necessary labor force for this transition?
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Chris Cella: Opioids, Robbing the Mafia, Burning Down the Entourage House, and How God Saved Him
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It's hard to have lunch at the Four Seasons in Jackson during the winter because there's some private equity wife who's going to scream at you on your way to the men's room because that world hates you. He happens to live in Jackson, Wyoming. So, and I go there, you know, to ski and to fish. And I have for a very long time.
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