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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent Breaks Down Trump's Tariff Plan and Its Impact on the Middle Class
Fri, 04 Apr 2025
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent explains the administration’s new tariffs, and why we had to do something to stop the slide. (00:00) Trump’s Tariff Plan (05:42) The Current State of the Stock Market (08:22) Will Americans See Substantial Tax Cuts Because of Tariffs? (13:16) How Much Money Will America Make Through Tariffs? (14:33) Bringing Manufacturing Back to the US (24:14) Tariff Pushback From Foreign Countries (29:42) How Will Europe Be Impacted? Paid partnerships with: Tecovas: Get 10% off at tecovas.com/tucker ExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 3 months of ExpressVPN free! iTrust Capital: Get $100 funding bonus at https://www.iTrustCapital.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is Trump's tariff plan and why is it significant?
Mr. Secretary, thank you very much for joining us. So we're at the Treasury Department. The president had a press conference yesterday next door in which he announced a whole new tariff regime, global. He'd been promising to do this, well, for 40 years, really. It came not out of nowhere, but it was clearly his intent all along, as stated.
But it did rattle people, including some of his supporters. So I just wanted to ask you, big picture, where do you think this leads?
Well, Tucker, thank you for having me. And as you said, the president's been talking about this for four decades. Yes. And this is transformational for the American economy, for the American worker and for the new Republican alignment. And it's a combination of the old and new ideas. Some of the old ideas were put away. You know, I always tell everyone and they don't want to hear it.
The original tariff man was Alexander Hamilton. And he used tariffs to fund the new nation and to protect American industry. President Trump has added a third leg to the stool, and he uses tariffs to negotiate. But I think this is not unlike – I was a freshman in college when Ronald Reagan came in in 1980, and a new day in America. And –
When I talk to people now and they look back and they look at the Reagan years so fondly, I remember what it was like. And it was choppy. And the president- Very choppy. Very choppy. President Reagan stood the course. And look, this is not an invitation, but at one point in the early 80s, a farmer showed up with a shotgun at the Federal Reserve to kill Paul Volcker for raising rates.
So like I said, that's not an invitation for anybody. Of course not. for action, but it was a tough time. And then in 1984, President Reagan won reelection with 49 states. And I think they may have even let Mondale win Minnesota just so it wasn't a skunk. Just to be nice, yeah. And that's what President Trump is doing now. For years, the American worker, middle class has been eviscerated.
American workers have taken it on the chin. And we're just starting to see some of the research now. We're seeing research on what's called the China shock, from 2004, it's just coming out now. And it's what you know, it's what I know. But finally, academics are saying, oh, gosh, the American workers never recovered from the China shock. What a surprise. And President Trump sensed it 40 years ago.
But out on the campaign trail, starting in 2015, up until last year, he has promised the American workers that the old standard of living can come back. And because what we've seen over the past at least 20 years since the China shock, but more like the past 30, are these massive distributional problems where the coast have done great. Yes.
And the middle of the country has just seen quality of life The life expectancy decline. They don't think their children are going to do better than they are. And a lot of people don't care. And President Trump cares. This administration cares. And this is the first step towards realigning that a lot of our trading partners, including some of our allies, have not been good partners.
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Chapter 2: How will tariffs affect the American economy and middle class?
That's a very unique formula that hasn't been tried in this country for a long time.
And do you think but it would require congressional participation to get there to move tax rates, of course, are set by the Congress. So, well.
What we're going to have now, we are in this very odd, what I would call betwixt and between, between the tariff income and what Doge is doing in terms of the cutting government expenses. So CBO scoring, and for 35 years, I was on the other side of the wall and I would always, oh, well, CBO says this.
And I didn't really realize that kind of CBO scoring is a lot like Enron accounting, that it's not real. And when you actually look at the real story... But you assumed it was on the outside? Sure. Well, they're experts. It's a congressional budget office. It's a congressional budget office. And they're well-intentioned people. They just have the nonsensical rules. Think about this.
When all the scoring's done over a 10-year window, Yes. So they just assume 1.7 or 1.8 percent economic growth over the 10 years. And that never moves. Whether you raise taxes or cut taxes doesn't move. So that's what during the campaign when Vice President Harris was announcing all these big tax increases she wanted to do and things like that.
that the CBO was scoring her very well and President Trump wants to make the 2017 tax cuts permanent. That was kind of a blowout number because obviously growth is going to go up a lot when you cut taxes. So that was a long way of saying We will not get credit for the tariffs in any bill because Congress is not going to legislate it. President's doing it with executive authority.
But the money will be coming in. We've already taken in several hundred million dollars on the China tariffs from his first term. We take in about $35 billion a year just on the old tariffs, not on the new ones. So in the CBO window.
That's about $350 billion, which pays for a lot of the president's promises on no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime, making interest deductibility on autos made in the U.S. And think what the president's doing here. He is backing into... an affordability solution for the bottom 50% of wage earners, because they're the ones who will benefit from all four of those programs.
So looking at, say, a year from now, so beginning of next April, do you have any sense of how much the U.S. government anticipates bringing in from the tariffs announced yesterday?
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