The Tucker Carlson Show
Andrew Isker: Building a Christian Refuge to Fight Wokeness, Transgenderism, and Paganism
Mon, 31 Mar 2025
Andrew Isker is the sixth generation in his family to live in the same Minnesota town. But when the state declared war on Christians, he fled to Tennessee, where he’s helping to build a new and real community based on faith and freedom. (00:00) Why Isker Is Building a New Christian Refuge (08:42) The Real Reason Left-Wing Cities Collapse (12:19) The Pagan Religious Movement of Abortion and Transgenderism (23:02) Wokeness Infiltrating the Church (29:25) Atheist Morality (36:00) Tim Walz Is Driving Christians Out of Minnesota Paid partnerships with: Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Policygenius: Head to at https://Policygenius.com/Tucker to see how much you could save Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why is Andrew Isker building a Christian refuge?
So, Andrew, thank you for doing this. So, you're so controversial. I love that. Yeah, married man with six kids who pays his taxes. You're so controversial. Very. Controversial would be not paying your credit card bill and, you know, putting the banks out of business, convincing other people to do the same, not paying your federal taxes, forcing the U.S.
government to pay attention to its own citizens. You're doing none of that. So as far as I'm concerned, you're a non-controversial law-abiding man. But you are doing one thing that's pretty wild, which is participating in the building of a new town. It sounds almost like a Christian utopian experiment in Tennessee, but I don't really know. Can you tell me what it is and why you're doing it?
Yeah, so it's not quite that. It's not the Oneida community? Yeah, we're not building some kind of Anabaptist community. Okay, you're not the Shakers. No. No. No, really, it's, you know, it's a company, you know, Ridge Runner is purchasing land and sort of facilitating a lot of things.
Like you're familiar with the big sort where people are leaving, you know, blue states to go to red states and things like that, where it's along those lines where people are leaving. Like I left Minnesota, a very blue state. Everyone's now familiar with our governor in that state, Tim Walz. Don't hire him to babysit. No, I would not. He would be the last person. Yes, I think so.
And so we wanted to leave there. Many people want to leave places like that. My friend CJ left California, Gavin Newsom State, to come to Tennessee. And so it's a platform to be able to draw all of your friends together. It's like, well, we can kind of live anywhere. Why don't we all live in the same kind of place and bring our families, bring our businesses and build things together?
So it's sort of a platform for drawing people that are spread out all throughout the country and can leave these places that are not great. Living in large cities or suburbs where you're just totally disconnected and, you know, really isolated, alienated from normal life. And you can have the American small town experience once again.
It's so sad to hear you say that about Minnesota. As a Scandinavian, I always thought of it, was told, you know, it's like where all the Swedes are. And it's kind of, you know, lots of saunas and, you know, red cheek children and it's clean and reasonable, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the case anymore. Why did you leave there?
You know, for us, it was... Are you from there? I'm from there, yeah. Born and raised in Waseca, Minnesota. My children were the sixth generation of our family that lived in that town. Oh, gosh. And... In the town? In that town, yeah. In the town of Waseca. Are your ancestors buried there? Yeah, there's six generations that are buried there. Even one of my own children that passed.
We lived a couple blocks away from the cemetery where all of my ancestors were buried. Oh, gosh. Oh, that's very heavy to leave a place like that. Yes. And it was after the 2022 election. where the Democrats took control of the state Senate finally, and Tim Walz could do whatever he wanted to do. The first thing he passed was, in the wake of the Dobbs decision,
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Chapter 2: What led to the collapse of left-wing cities?
Like that was more or less the... Why do you think they did that? Yeah. I think, you know, a friend of mine, I think I could call him a friend, Aaron Wren, he's written about this like neutral world or negative world, neutral world, positive world where, you know, in the 70s and 80s, Christianity is generally understood culturally as a positive thing.
Like if you said, oh, I go to church, I'm a Christian, I go to that church, people think, oh, that's a good guy. He's an upstanding, decent person. But by the mid-90s, it was sort of neutral, right? It was sort of, well, that's just a cool thing that you do, right? Just like collecting stamps or building model trains or being part of the Lions Club. But by the...
You know, by the Obama years, by like 2015, you're in negative world where if you're an evangelical Christian, you are suspect. You're probably a Nazi. You're probably a bigot. You're probably a white supremacist. Right.
That's the attitude that people ask you to pause just to state for the one millionth time. The Nazis were not Christians.
They were not Christians. They love to throw those things around. Nazis are Christians.
No. Yeah. Yeah. More Christians were killed by the Nazis than any other group, just a fact. So anyway, no, the Nazis were not Christians. I'm sorry.
I had to say that. Good to make – yeah, because they'll clip this and they'll say, yeah, oh, Andrew Isker is saying that the Christians are Nazis. But – So that period of time, like there's these widespread cultural shifts in the country. And so I think a lot of it is just in response to that, where you're in that neutral world.
And so you had figures like Rick Warren or Tim Keller who sort of adapted these things. So Tim Keller is in New York City and he tries to adapt Christianity to Christianity. Your, you know, upper middle class, you know, striver people in New York City were to make it easy for them to come to church.
So he wouldn't ever talk about homosexuality or if he did, it would be, well, that's not so good for human flourishing. But we're not really going to talk about that too much. There's the former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, J.D. Greer, you know, famously said, said in a sermon, well, the Bible just whispers about sexual sin, but it shouts about financial sin or greed, right?
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Chapter 3: How is paganism linked to abortion and transgenderism?
And his boldness is really shocking. Yes. People haven't read it before. Yes. The rage that he displays at the leadership.
Yes.
The religious leadership is just like it's nothing else.
It comes right off the page. And which is so ironic because you see evangelicals who are like, you need to be more Christlike, right? You need to be, which means like wimpy and weak and inoffensive. Sweeping into the temple and knocking over tables and driving people out with a whip. And then going into the temple and giving this parable. Right, of the vineyard.
He's like, first I sent this servant, you beat him and stoned him, and then you killed another one. Well, I'll send my son. They'll respect him. And then it's the heir, right? If we kill him, we could take the vineyard for ourselves, right? And he asked him, what's he going to do to these people? Well, he's going to come and he's going to destroy all of them. And it's like and they knew. Right.
The hilarious thing, I think, like reading the Gospels is right. Jesus is giving parables. And the point of the parables is actually to conceal what he's saying. And people are like, well, what's that? Even his own disciples like, well, what's that about? I don't really know. It doesn't make any sense. But he's telling parables to the chief priests and the Pharisees and all the leaders of Israel.
And they're like, oh, that's about us.
I think it says they understood it was about them.
They knew. It does. And they decided to kill him. Yeah. So the parables are, like, obscure to everybody else. But when it's about them, like, oh, he's talking about us, right?
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