The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker and Bret Weinstein Debate Evolution, God’s Existence, Israel, and Will AI Gain Consciousness?
Wed, 07 May 2025
A thoroughly civil debate with Bret Weinstein over the existence of God. (00:00) Introduction (01:18) Debating Evolution (10:54) Is Human Sacrifice Evidence of Something Supernatural? (19:33) Consciousness vs. Intuition (36:10) Have We Actually Seen Humans Evolve? (44:30) Where Do We Derive Moral Judgement if There Is No God? (1:02:37) Sam Harris Is a Horrible Spokesperson for Atheism Paid partnerships with: Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/TuckerExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are Tucker Carlson's views on evolution?
I don't have a problem at all with the idea that there's physical evolution. My problem is with the question of the creation of all things.
Religious belief systems are keys to the amazing capacity of humans.
The Creator is the force that creates. God was not created. God has always been there. Period. Man, if I was an atheist, I'd be very upset that Sam Harris was carrying my atheist water. Because I felt like he was a very bad spokesman for his cause.
The spokespeople for atheism have done such a terrible disservice by demonizing people's religious faith rather than taking it as the important set of questions that it obviously is. There are many different ways that AI works. can radically disrupt civilization. The idea that they will become conscious and that we won't know is, to me, highly likely.
First of all, thank you. It's great to see you. Great to see you, Tucker. And I hate to start a conversation about me or our relationship or whatever, but I've been wanting to talk to you for the last year. I went on Joe Rogan's show about a year ago, and I stated that I don't believe in Darwinism. And basically, I think God created people. I don't think it was much of a matter of belief.
And you texted me and said... I'm an actual evolutionary biologist. We need to have this conversation. So we haven't. Yep. So I will just restate my one sentence position, which is, I think, I don't know about the timeline or the means. I'm not interested. But I think that people are a creation of God, not an accident of biology. That's my position. Yeah.
Got it. Yeah. I'm hoping that the text I sent you was not as defensive as that.
No, it was great. No, it was great. No, are you kidding?
But in any case, no, I did want to have this conversation with you. And let's just say because evolution is my professional realm, I'm sure I could cite you chapter and verse. Well, you definitely could. But it's pointless. First of all, that doesn't make me right. You know, the fact is, yes, I know a lot of factual material, but there are some deeper issues here.
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Chapter 2: How does Bret Weinstein explain the role of a creator?
I've made a very compelling case for belief in God. Well, but what's the other explanation? Well, that's just the thing, is the other explanation is that there are processes that function... Let's take two examples, okay? If we talk about the behavior of a seedling, right? A seed is planted...
It breaks open, it germinates, and the seedling rises against gravity and breaks the surface and it puts out its two little solar panels. And at that point, it bends towards the sun. You could say, what is the other explanation for that other than a desire to reach the sunlight? And the answer is actually in this case, we know the mechanism and it's amazing. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree.
But it's not desire.
But it expresses a value though. And the value is life is better than death.
It expresses. To exist is better than not to. Yes. It expresses an objective, but not a desire.
I'm not sure. I mean, it's a semantic question. I don't see a huge difference between the two.
But that's exactly my point. I'm not trying to compel people that the answer that I think I can see is right for them. I'm trying to convince people that the answer I think I see is actually not dogged by some paradox that makes it unviable. It's too cumbersome to live by it. But it's, you know, just like the example of the baseball game. It's made of atoms and energy.
And you could imagine commentators sitting there describing the energy and the material in, you know, the object. And it would be the worst, most cumbersome commentary at a sports event conceivable.
It wouldn't really tell you anything useful.
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