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The Joe Rogan Experience
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I think it's important to point out that you had this idea a while ago and that it was actually removed from Twitter.
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Yeah, that's a great way to put it. And I'm glad you did point out the fact that there were really things. The Red Scare is a weird example because people would like to kind of dismiss the impact that communists, especially Russia, was having on our government. And there was a pretty big impact. I mean, they did steal the plans for the nuclear bomb.
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But what's important is that it was removed from Twitter.
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Well, here's the thing you could do very easily. You put bots onto this program. So you have these people that are tweeting under this banner, and then you send the bots to that page to agree with them. They say, oh, my God, we found bots. Right. Let's shut it down.
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There's a lot of shit that happened because of actual communist interference. Yeah. But the narrative when I was in high school was that the Red Scare was bad, right? It was like everybody went crazy and they were all looking for – which was true too. But that's part of the problem when you don't know. Like back then, no internet, very little paper trail.
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Robert Malone? And this is September 29th. And what is the Web site? Join the resistance dot org.
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All right. Hear, hear. Burt Weinstein, appreciate you very much.
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Thank you. Thanks for being you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. All right. We were going to end. Ladies and gentlemen, a bonus. A bonus. We had forgot to talk about this one thing. So when Tucker was on, he was saying that there was no evidence for evolution.
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Well, he's absolutely willing to change his mind. Yeah. About everything.
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It's very important that he's got such a big voice because of that.
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It's really hard to find out who's talking to who unless you get an actual listening device in the room and capture them talking.
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So anyway, he's oddly misinterpreted. Yes. Like the way people pretend he is versus how he actually is. I mean, he doesn't do himself any favors. Like when he had that guy on that said he blew Obama. Like, wait, he's just wild. But I mean, he's willing to have on anybody, I guess. But but who he is as a person, he's a lovely guy.
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Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah, which is really interesting about him. Passionate fly fisherman.
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Yeah, I do, too. And it is interesting. There's a certain group of people that are just on Team Blue. They say anything positive about Tucker and you're some sort of a terrible villain and he represents white supremacy. Yep. Okay. Yeah. What? Yeah, it was a strange discovery. But it's being connected to Fox News. You get attached to Fox News.
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You get attached, especially him, the most popular voice on Fox News.
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Well, it's just the rational voice is so discouraged in today's world. The rational, objective voice where you look at both sides. You look at – I see why someone would say this. I see what you're saying. I see this. Everybody immediately gets polarized. Everybody immediately connects to their ideology and changes –
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The words of someone to be the least charitable version of what it is and the most heinous interpretation of who that human being is. And if you support them, you support this. And if you platform them, you platform this. And it's just nonsense. It's nonsense peddled by morons. It's a moronic way to look at the world. It really is.
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bobby kennedy was a kook yeah 100 i said it's him when he came on the podcast i said i have to be honest that my version of you was connected entirely to you being an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist kook the dark cloud of the kennedy family this one guy who's just nuts unfortunately too bad then i read the real anthony falchion i was like hang on Yeah.
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Oh, it's it's then I talked to some brilliant people that I know that recommended certain things and told me to read some other things that he had written. I'm like, oh, OK, this is another one of those. Another one. Well, there's people that meet me and they think I'm some right wing kook, you know, conspiracy theorist, asshole, mean person. It's like, okay, how do you get there?
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You're getting there because someone's led you there. You're not getting there from a normal objective analysis of a person, who they are and what they stand for. That's exactly it. And with him, he's connected to that business, that business of first environment, right? So he's an environmental attorney. He cleaned up the East River and did a lot of great work.
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Yeah. And he's so well measured when even dealing with these attacks, the way he handles things is so admirable.
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Right. And you're being led. You're being led by what's essentially propaganda. And it's to polarize us. It's to keep us separated and to keep us thinking that you don't have anything in common with people on the right and they're demons. You don't have anything in common with people on the left. They're loons. Like you and I are both very socially liberal. Yeah.
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And the idea that you'd be sitting here saying Trump's got to win. Yeah.
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It's crazy, but the world's crazy. And when the world's crazy, you have to have crazy solutions.
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Well, if you just get one good one, you're hooked. For me, it was the Kennedy assassination. One good book on the Kennedy assassination. I was like, God damn it. They killed the fucking president. It freaked me out forever. That was like I literally had a giant shift in how I viewed the world after reading that book.
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Because before that, I was never a questioner of whatever was in the news or whatever the narrative was that we were being told about anything.
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But can it get you to where an octopus can change its texture and completely camouflage itself to look like a coral reef?
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Right. Right. Or to a human. Right. True to a human.
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So do you think there's a process that it's yet to be discovered? There's something else going on?
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Yeah. Well, which is one of the reasons why they're so terrified of Trump. There's a certain amount of stealing they can do. Let's imagine if it is dirty and you really can manipulate elections. How much can you manipulate by? Can you manipulate it by 30 percent? You know? We don't know. And as long as they can have you believing in the polls, this is what's really important, polls.
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Kamala Harris is up by 3%. Oh, she's up. She's winning. Like, who the fuck are you talking to? Who are you talking to?
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Well, some magic. It's like, you know, there's that theory, that concept about multiple dimensions. multiple universes that we all live. This possibility that there's infinite numbers of universes all around us all the time and we enter into a different timeline. We entered into a different timeline. Clearly. Something happened.
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Right. So that's what we're talking about. So we're talking about like maybe they can cheat by 10%.
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Yeah, it would take a person with that kind of personality that could withstand that kind of abuse. Because he didn't freak out at all when they went after him. He was like, eh. Right. Just brushed it off like it was nothing. And no one's done that. He's also the only guy that's ever gone through four years and didn't age like he went through 30 years. That's true. He aged normal. Yeah.
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He's used to it. He's used to pressure. And Bush... He aged a ton. Obama aged a ton. Everybody aged a ton. Biden was already cooked before he got in, but he's hard. But he aged a ton. I mean, Biden from 2019 to today is a different person.
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He's trying to be a little bit more reasonable, you know, and try to appeal to more people because of that, you know, that effort to be more reasonable. Like he's he's changed his mind about a lot of things. He's talking about legalizing marijuana.
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He's talking about all these different things that are like where, you know, you're going to get a lot of different responses from like the hardcore Republicans are not going to be for that. You know, any... Any idea of abortion, the hardcore right wing are not interested at all. And any restrictions on abortion at all, you get your hardcore left wing.
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So it's the mostly it's the people in the middle. Abortion is a good one, right? Because most people are like no one should be able to tell you what you could do with your body. But also aborting an eight month old fetus is kind of fucking insane.
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Interesting. Right. Because blue collar people were generally union people, which were generally Democrats.
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Yes, that's recent. That's recent over the last year. It is interesting, right? Because we did growing up always associate unions and blue collar people with voting Democrat because Democrats were looking out for the middle class, looking out for people's best interests, supporting unions and fair wages and funding schools and all that kind of stuff. Keep a neighborhood safe.
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And Republicans were more like small government. Fuck you. Figure it out. I don't want to pay taxes. Yes. Stingy. And they were the ones that are encouraging war. Yep. Which is crazy today that you have this massive 180 degree shift. And the Democrats are talking about how important it is that we keep funding Ukraine.
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And that we have some sort of – whether you're pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine, I should say, or whether you're pro-Israel, there's involvement in that. No one is saying – no Democrats are saying we need to get the fuck out of there. They're saying we need to free Palestine. Oh, OK. How are you going to do that? How are you going to do that? How much is involved in that?
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Are you going to bring in people? Are you going to send people there? What are you going to do? Are you going to kill people for this? Yeah. What are we doing? The Democrats are there. You guys are looking for war. You're not looking for peaceful solutions like this is kind of weird. This is interesting. You know that we need to beat Russia. Are you out of your fucking mind? Are you serious?
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Do you know how big that place is? Do you know how much military force is behind Putin? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Like what if he just decides to go nuclear at any point in time? He gets pressured. You keep advancing further and further into Russia. And he's like, I'll just end this right now. I'll just turn Kiev into a fucking sandbox. Boom. Yeah.
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Did you see the article that I posted on my Instagram that's a title of a New York Times article for today? Which one? Jamie, pull this up. I want Brett to see this so you know this is real. This isn't the Babylon Bee. This is an actual New York Times article. You see it? This is so crazy. It's really hard to believe that someone would print this and the New York Times say, yeah, we like it.
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The Constitution is sacred. Is it also dangerous? One of the biggest threats to America politics might be the country's founding document. What the fuck are you talking about?
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One of the biggest threats to America's politics might be one of the greatest documents that any country was ever founded on, if not the greatest ever.
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That could be a threat to America's politics. What politics are we talking about? How could you possibly gaslight me enough to go along with you on this?
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Well, this is why a person like Trump is so important to them. Because if you don't have someone that is an imminent threat on the horizon in three months, it's very difficult to justify all this shit. So if you have Kamala Harris and she's competing against Ron DeSantis, if it's just Kamala Harris and Ron DeSantis and Trump doesn't exist, maybe he died. Maybe he died in the last few years.
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How could you – you wouldn't be able to make that argument. There's no imminent threat. Let's say Mitt Romney. Let's say someone even more moderate as a Republican, even more palatable. You can't make that argument that we don't need – we can't have a First Amendment because the First Amendment is getting in the way.
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The First Amendment is allowing people to say things that aren't true, misinformation and disinformation. And right here, we're September 2nd. I think yesterday was the first day where Brazil banned Twitter. I know. So X is illegal to have in Brazil as of today, as of yesterday. And not only is it illegal, but you go through it through a VPN and they will charge you $8,000 a day.
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Not as ramped up as this is, though. This is like Hitler, Hitler talk. They never talked about Mitt Romney like he was Hitler.
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Right. That's that's a that's where a fun meme is. There's a fun meme that someone made about how you're telling me that he's going to do these things that he didn't when he was in office. And you're telling me that you're going to do these things that you didn't do and you're in office now.
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Yeah. And they're weaponizing the courts over what was a misdemeanor with that's already. If you look at the like Bill Ackman had a post that he made on Twitter laying out the legality of this 34 count thing that they convicted him of. that this is essentially an accounting error or deception that's a misdemeanor that is past the statute of limitations.
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And very dangerous because you've set a precedent now. Now, let's imagine like we've gone through shifts in this country where we leaned heavily left, like during the Carter administration was run by serious lefty. And then what if now it is run by a hardcore right-winger? What if there's some sort of an attack on American soil and it ramps up patriotism and people get real angry?
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Just like the left has moved so far left that if you're not in favor of hormone blockers for kids, somehow you're transphobic and you're a bigot. Like somehow or another, if you're not in favor of that, you're a bigot. What if it gets so right? that if you're not in favor of stops and frisks all over the country for everyone, then somehow or another you're anti-safety of the nation.
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And if you're not in favor of no-knock raids on people's homes with no warrants, then somehow or another you're a danger to our democracy. It can go really creepy far right, just like it's really creepy far left, and then they're utilizing the court's
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Didn't some shit go down today? Didn't we steal the president of Venezuela's plane? Yeah, I think we just stole his plane.
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If they fill the courts up with a bunch of hardcore Republicans, now you're utilizing the courts against people in a way that you would find very offensive because you've made it – you set a precedent.
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No, not us. Okay, good. The United States. Someone stole his plane. All right. Which is kind of an act of war. What is that? Was he in it? I don't think so. No. I think we just stole his plane. Just like for a joyride? What's the story? U.S. seizes Venezuela President Nicolas Maduro's airplane in the Dominican Republic. So we said, nope, we're stealing that. How does that work?
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But isn't existence itself insane? The universe itself is insane. Subatomic particles are insane. Going all the way out to solar nurseries, it's all insane. The whole thing's insane. It's insane in scope. It's insane in size. It's insane in its complexity. It's almost incomprehensible. Almost incomprehensible.
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So why would it be more incomprehensible if there was infinite variety and infinite numbers of them? It would just be a different level of crazy that we weren't aware of.
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I think it's literally impossible. We just look at it as a number. It's a small number, actually. You look at it, oh, like what's the most recent, the James Webb Telescope, the most recent advanced versions of it, they're talking about 22 billion plus years for the Big Bang.
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They're looking at that now because of the structure of some galaxies that shouldn't exist in the time period of which they would have to... be formed in a certain amount of years. And so it's very contentious, but there's some of these people studying the results that seem to believe it's quite possible that you might want to push that date back for whatever the Big Bang is. Right. Okay.
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And then there's Sir Roger Penrose who thinks it's like a constant cycle.
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i don't know about that i don't i don't think that's necessarily true because just because we haven't solved the problem of this immense thing that's impossible to grasp it doesn't mean it can't be way bigger than we even imagine in a concept that's impossible to grasp And there's got to be some reason why so many people are entertaining this multiverse theory.
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Even if you don't get along with a president of a country, how disrespectful is it to steal their plane? You're right. It's an act of war. Imagine if Xi Jinping landed somewhere and we're like, we're going to steal your fucking plane. Yeah. No chance. That's a bully move. That's a move you can only do to a country like Venezuela.
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I think it sounds like the universe, though. I don't think the universe necessarily sounds like nature. Nature is what we see here. But what we see everywhere is so bizarre. Black holes are so bizarre. Supernovas, they're so fucking bizarre.
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The fact that there's a giant black hole in the center of every galaxy that's one half of 1% of the mass of the galaxy, and there might be another universe inside of that thing.
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Well, the existence of the black hole, but the concept of a black hole being essentially a portal into another universe where there's hundreds of billions of galaxies, each one with a black hole in the center of them. You go through each one of those, you have hundreds of billions of galaxies, each one with a black hole in the center of it. And you just keep doing that forever and ever and ever.
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Isn't that kind of the multiverse? Well, let's put it this way.
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You think AI can't get a grasp on this in a better way?
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Quantum computing a thousand years from now might have a.
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Right. What about a future in which we develop some sort of propulsion system and attach it to a drone that's not it's not based on fuel. It's based on some sort of gravity thing and allows you to traverse immense distances very quickly. And then we could actually get that fucker way out there, take some video and bring it back.
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Well, it's okay. It's all funded by the government. Oh, right. Infinite money. We just print checks. Oh, we'll just tax people. And we'll blame the UFOs.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think so, too. Yeah. I think both things are true. I think we have been visited. And I think it only makes sense. I think there is life out there because it doesn't make sense if there isn't. And I think I would visit.
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If I got 1,000 years more advanced than we are and we found out about some planet that's 2,000 light years away that actually is making nuclear bombs, fuck yeah, I'd visit. Of course. I'd visit. 100%.
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So, of course they would visit, and of course they would want to protect us from the overwhelming shock to our culture that would undoubtedly be thrust upon us if we were confronted with a city-sized spaceship that's hovering over Detroit, just hovering over there. It would send the world into a massive panic. No one would know what to do.
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That's got to be good news because we're – Right, but to anyone in power, this would be a gigantic threat.
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To anyone trying to pass off some sort of narrative that this is the – that we're in the lead in terms of like the moral high ground of the world and that we're the wisest, we're the best, we're going to make decisions for everybody, that would throw a monkey wrench completely into the gears of that. Oh, totally. So they would lose all control. They would lose all authority.
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Because I don't think they are. That's not what I'm saying. I think that would freak them out, and they're not doing that, right? I think if they are real and they do observe us, they probably observe us in a way where there's a limited amount of detection. And I think there's probably – if I was going to acclimate a culture to the idea that they're not alone, I would do it slowly.
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That way you could have the same ultimate effect eventually and maybe – Maybe help them along their evolution as well, along their cultural evolution to like slowly introduce this concept that they're not alone and then do it over decades, which is exactly what's been happening. And the acceptance of it has changed from when I was a kid. You talk about UFOs. You're a fucking kook.
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So this says, Merrick Garland said that the Justice Department seized an aircraft we allege was illegally purchased for $13 million through a shell company and smuggled out of the United States for use by Nicolas Maduro and his cronies. What business is that of ours, though? This is what I don't understand. Like, if it was purchased through a shell company... Then it was purchased. Right.
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Straight up kook. And then the Bob Lazar story came around and everybody was like, hey, wait a minute. is that guy telling the truth? And that was like 89, but still seemed like bullshit. And then there was a bunch of questions about his education background. Ah, bullshit artist.
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But then over time, more people have seen enough things like Commander David Fravor and more people have seen things that like have no explanation whatsoever. And, You start hearing stories from high-level people about retrieved vehicles and this and that. It's more and more and more and more and more normal people talking about it.
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And more and more professors at Stanford and the New York Times in 2017 print a story and respected Air Force pilots are coming out and talking about it. It's a different world. And it's a different world just over a few decades. Yeah.
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Right. I haven't either. But also, I haven't seen anything, right? Right. These are unique experiences. And the problem with unique experiences is... Everyone has to just sort of trust you unless you have some kind of evidence. Everyone has to trust you, even if it's a whole town. It's a unique experience in the town. Mass hypnosis, bunch of bullshit artists.
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They're taking advantage of it for tourism like Virginia and Brazil. The entire town saw this thing. So, you know, I'm not sure if it's all bullshit. I think there's some bullshit mixed in with some real stuff. That's what I think. This is my conclusion over time. Because if you go back to like the Kenneth Arnold sightings in the 1950s, we didn't have anything that moved like that. Nobody did.
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There's no way anybody had anything in the 1950s that could shoot across the sky soundless, make no noise, skip like flying saucers is the way they described it. There was a – I think there was nine of them together. We didn't have anything like that. So maybe occasionally we're visited. Maybe occasionally they show themselves. And maybe they have been here.
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Tucker thinks they've been here all along. He thinks they're a part of this world that we live in. They hide from us. Maybe they live in the ocean.
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Right. If they had some sort of a drone that used gravity and could zip across the sky like 10x light speed, they wouldn't tell you about it.
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So you think the radar... When they use radar and they find these things, what do you think that is?
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So you could force a blip onto someone's radar? Sure. You could hack their radar?
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Well, let's talk about the David Fravor one, right? Because this is 2004, so it kind of limits our ability in terms of... You know, you have high technology, you have extremely powerful computers, you have a lot of stuff going on, but... We certainly don't have what we have 20 years later, right? Yep. We all agree to that.
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Now, they have multiple different mediums, multiple different types of evidence. They have visual eyewitness testimony, and more than one jet sees this thing. More than one pilot sees this thing. They all have the same story. This thing zips across the sky. They have the radar that shows that this thing went from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. Mm-hmm.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They have this thing moving at speeds on video where you see it move on video that would turn anybody inside it into jello. Yep. So it's whatever the fuck this is, it's doing something that we didn't think human beings could do. Yeah. Right. So you have three different ways of verifying that there is something there. You have the radar. You have video. You have eyewitness testimony.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It says smuggled out of the United States. The plane was purchased from a company in Florida, the Justice Department said, and was illegally exported in April 2023 from the United States to Venezuela through the Caribbean. So are we not allowed to sell them planes? Is that what it is? Like, because we have a problem with them? Would they say how much it costs? $13 million? Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You have this thing flying to the cat point where they were initially supposed to, when they were doing their training mission, they were supposed to meet.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So how would you fake a visual sighting from trained fighter jet pilots over the ocean?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
A projection. Yeah. And where would the projector be?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And how would you do that? What technology would enable you to make something? I mean, they even had a disturbance of the ocean floor or of the ocean surface rather.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So this would explain why these things are able to stay stationary in 120 knot winds because they're not affected by physical reality. Yeah. They're just images.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Okay, so he's got this $13 million plane, a Dassault Falcon 900EX, since been used to fly almost exclusively to and from military base in Venezuela. Justice Department said CNN reached out to Venezuelan government. You asked, huh? It seems like, though, there's more to it than that plane was illegal. You shouldn't have that plane.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Have you seen any of Gary Nolan's stuff on the metallurgy, on the different samples they've collected from these supposed down crafts that defy our understanding of how to create alloys and how expensive it would be to craft these things?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. I mean, I don't know who... See if you can find anything on Gary Nolan's samples. So Diana Pasolko, who had been on the podcast before, she had done some excavating of these areas where they purport that these things had crashed and they could still find pieces, which made me a little skeptical. As soon as I see you can still find – you didn't pick them all up? Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Why wouldn't they send someone out there to pick everything up?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You would get every single scrap of that stuff. But if I wanted someone to believe that a craft was there, I'd leave a bunch of bullshit out in the field. I'd blindfold them like they did. I'd take them out to this spot. This is the spot. Look around. Oh, look, you found a piece. How do you not know where all the fucking pieces are?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If this thing crashed 30 years ago, why didn't you go over this place with a fine-tooth comb? People do that for arrowheads. Why would you not do that for alien craft metal? Of course you would. Yeah. Also, there's the other problem. It's like, why are these things crashing?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They're so fucking good. They can get here from another dimension.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
They get a hold of some fucking Jack Daniels. Next thing you know, they're crashed in the sand. They're having a good time in America. It's also, that's a big problem, too. A lot of these sightings are in America. If you look at the chart, there's sightings overseas, for sure. They happen all over the world, undoubtedly. But they happen a lot more here.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, we do. We have multiple alien problems. Yeah, we have multiple. That's another thing that they're gaslighting people on, the idea that they would let people come over here so they would vote. Of course they would. That's a great way to get voters. So these are these pieces that Gary Nolan claims to have had. And what does it say about these pieces?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
explosion. Okay, so this is from, how do you say that? Ubatuba? Ubatuba, Brazil? So this is a different, it might be a different pronunciation in Portuguese, but this is a different crash than the Varginha one. So there's been multiple sightings and things happen in Brazil, apparently. Brazil also has a little bit of an alien problem. Oh, yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But the Virginia one is wild. That's the most wild one.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Let me see that again. That could just be a low-resolution photograph.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. Sure. We're not there. We don't get to see these things. Also, even if you gave it to me, how's that going to help me? I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Yeah. I don't even, even if you gave me the microscopes to look at it, I'm like, what am I seeing? Right. I'm seeing layers. Is that what this is? Right. How'd they do this?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Yeah. Like if there really is a body. Just one. Everyone says there's a frozen body somewhere.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
For years, officials have sought to disrupt the flow of billions of dollars to the regime. Homeland Security Investigations, the second largest investigative agency in the federal government, has seized dozens of luxury vehicles, among other assets, headed to Venezuela. So there's a U.S. sanction. So there's a sanction. This is it. The plane was seized in violation of U.S.
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Right. That's the problem. Yeah, that's the problem. Also, the late 1940s. How many of these fucking things crashed? It's happening all the time. That's a weird thing, right? Think of how many Corvettes there are. Yeah. You don't find a whole lot of them on the side of the road crashed.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Nobody's finding Corvettes in the desert. Look, we found a Corvette. There's so many Corvettes. There's millions of them.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Oh, man. They're so smart. They can come here from other planets and they just boom.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Or maybe the only people that are the only intelligent life outside of this planet that's willing to do it, they're like Australian outback people. They're like those wild dudes who go overlanding. Australia has a big overlanding culture where they build up these vehicles and they take them off into the bush and they live off of them. My friend Adam Greentree does that. These people are wild.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Australians are wild folk. So maybe they're like the Australians of space. Overlanding and it doesn't always work out. Overlanding. They're these nuts that – there's people that go out in the desert for 30 days and they have enough food and water and they have a solar thing on the top of their rig and that charges their cell phone and they have jerry cans of petrol so they can keep going.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
traverse vast empty spaces and go to places that were known to have life I'd be all about that but it would only be the real hardcore adventurers that would take that chance and maybe those people are nuts maybe those alien people are nuts just like the human people are nuts that do that kind of stuff right they like to get into trouble winch themselves out wild people they got winches on their spaceships exactly
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, you've got to also think, here's another problem with the idea of them being biological. It's far more effective to send things that are non-biological into space, like what we're doing on Mars. We don't have a base on Mars, allegedly, but there's a lot of nutty people that believe we do.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But they do certainly have some robots that are on Mars that's gathering data, and they're doing it right now. And so you don't have to worry about radiation, all the things that kill people, make people sad. If we lose one of those rovers, who gives a fuck? Make another rover. Ship it out there. Fly it. Nobody cares.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
sanctions with Venezuela. And other criminal matters that we're looking at regarding this aircraft, they're going to find a reason to keep it. Like they stole all those boats from all those Russian cats. Yeah. Sorry, you're too rich and you know Putin, so give me your vote.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
If you lose 50 people, if you take 50 people and they die on your Mars trip, you're going to have Congress is going to be meeting about it. What are we doing? Why are we killing people? Let's not do that. And so as...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Time goes on and as technology improves and as sentient artificial intelligence becomes a better option for sending some intelligent robot to gather data, why would anybody go through space as a living creature? It seems stupid.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's the thing. Humans live in the Amazon. True. Humans don't live on Mars. It's way simpler to send a robot to Mars.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. But... But it's definitely a potential reality. And if it was possible, it would be a good move if you wanted to hedge your bets.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Which is Elon's position on this. Yeah. You know, that we're in danger of the human race going extinct from a variety of different things. Not even our own fault. It could be a bunch of different things. Asteroid impacts, super volcanoes. A lot of stuff can happen right here that kills us all. Space weather.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Oh, yeah. Fucking some supernova. Too close. Sorry. Everything's cooked.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And maybe that's what happened to Mars, which is also part of the problem. Because Mars at one time had an atmosphere. Mars at one time had liquid water. We don't really know what happened.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And we're really looking at a very brief amount of time that we can measure in terms of human experience. It's so brief in terms of what we know about what human beings have experienced. And then we have to go back to like core samples. You have to go back to, oh, it appears that there was Earth one and Earth one was hit by another planet. That's how we get the moon and then the moon.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
What a crazy thing that this thing stabilizes us. It's in the exact same right position, exact right size to make sure that we can exist as we exist right now. It's like somebody put it there.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's a beautiful thing, but it's. It's kind of kooky. It's almost like someone put it there.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Don't you think now, though, most people, I feel like genuinely most people are aware there's more to the story? Every story. Everything in the news. Every time something comes up, people are like, what's the whole story here?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. Or, yeah, it's odd, but that's also why there's not life everywhere.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And this does happen. And when it does happen, then you get some life.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But until it happens and the variety of temperature changes over the course of the seasons is just too vast for what we understand as biological life to survive. But then – or at least intelligent – It's not just biological. It has to be intelligent. It has to be able to manipulate its environment. It has to be able to record the previous thoughts in history, develop language.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And it's really tough to do that if you're in an environment and you've adapted to an environment that can vary by 300 degrees.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You have to have food. You have to have food and you have to have your feet up and go, why are we here? Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
exactly this is why this kind of thought emerges once people sort of settle down yep and get some food start herding some cattle and go hey stars are kind of crazy yeah you ever looked up instead everybody's just looking in the bushes for what's going to kill them what's going to eat me you know it's funny i've spent a lot of time watching animals they don't look at the sky oh that's interesting it is interesting that is very interesting that's very interesting
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, we look outward and we look inward, which is really like next level, right? Like we look at microscopes and go, what is going on here?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We're all filled with bacteria. This whole thing is nuts. Like we're not even an individual. Right. We're an ecosystem. We're individual ecosystems. And the healthier your ecosystem is, the healthier you are as an individual because you're not really an individual.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Hmm. But what about medication for people that have like type one diabetes?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So you think there's an environmental reason for type one diabetes?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Which is just madness. So the reductionist view of just give them a shot of this and a pill of that, like, well, there's a lot more going on here.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And both those ways are good for the people that are running scams.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. The problem is we want you to be hooked on a medication because then we can prescribe that to everybody, and then you have the Sackler family.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's a good point. And the problem is... Right now it is. And so we have to figure out how to regain control of that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, which is more important because those doctors believed it. They thought that it was true. I was just talking to a doctor recently that regretted taking it, and they really believed. Yeah. They believed. They believed they were telling people what to do, and now they're injured. Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah, because if you don't know what's true and what's not true, you're like, oh, geez. And then you get cynical. Oh, it's all bullshit. This whole system is rigged. Then you just go fishing.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And then they have this practice where they've told people, this is what you should do, and then a bunch of people did it. Yeah. They got all fucked up and now they're in a situation where it's not just that they got fucked up but like how much time they have left. Like how many of these people are going to drop dead over the next five, ten years? Yeah. Because it's not just one.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's not just two. There's probably going to be a bunch. There's a bunch of people out there with like real myocarditis. There's a bunch of people out there that have blood clots. The D-dimer, there's this doctor on Twitter the other day was talking about how it's very rare that he uses an D-dimer test on unvaccinated patients and finds blood clots.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But he finds a ton of them on vaccinated patients. Yeah. And some of them are micro blood clots. Some of them are significant, but that they find quite a few.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
There's so many people out there that are still all in. I've found some lady in my timeline. I don't follow her, but she was talking about how disturbing it is to her that children are not being vaccinated and that COVID is killing kids and the reports that she has of child death. And she was talking about how she wears a mask everywhere.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And then there's all these people in the comments that are commenting on that. I only go to places where I know there's going to be minimal amounts of people. I always wear a mask. And they were all like it was some weird echo chamber where they were all terrified still of what is now like a cold.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's not a cold to you, right? When you got it, it was rough.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. It's actually beneficial to them because then you have a smaller number of people that are voting. So essentially in the 2020 elections, it was the largest ever win, right? The Democrats got 80-something million votes, which is – so let's say – even if it was 50-50.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. Did you see Chris Cuomo on Patrick Bet-David's show admit that he's taking ivermectin now?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
He admitted it. He admitted his doctor has him on ivermectin for long COVID. And he kept distinguishing the difference between long COVID and vaccine injuries. Like he said, had some sort of a vaccine injury. Then he was talking about how ivermectin is not good for COVID, but it's good for long COVID. And I'm like, what is long COVID? Long COVID is not even a thing. Like, stop saying that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Like, you're fucked up because either of COVID or you're fucked up because of the vaccine. One of those two things happened where you got damaged. Calling it long COVID is weird because it's like saying you're still sick from COVID. That's not really what happened. Okay, if you get pneumonia and you get lung damage, you don't have long pneumonia, right? You had damage to your lungs.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It's not long COVID. So you're either taking ivermectin because your doctor said, like, what benefit would ivermectin have on long COVID? Like, what does that mean?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Pierre by Pierre. You're talking about Dr. Pierre Corey. Yep. Did he lose his license or something?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But they are punishing him for- For talking about a beneficial medicine that happens to not be patentable.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
That's crazy. Yeah. It's diabolical, really. It is diabolical. So what would be the mechanism as to which ivermectin would help these people?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So somewhere in the neighborhood of 160 million people, how many people are women and – I mean how many people with children, women can vote? What am I saying? Yeah. How many people are children, rather? Oh, jeez, I have no idea on the percentage. Under 18. It's probably in the 30%. So that's a pretty high turnout. Yes, if that was even the turnout. If it was real. Yeah, that's the problem.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But isn't it bizarre when people that have been vaccinated not once but multiple times and had side effects from the vaccine that they'll report openly? We'll talk about it and say it's long covid while they're still suffering. It's almost like they alleviate themselves from any of the responsibility of making a terrible choice.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And it goes away quick. That was the other thing they kept saying. It's temporary.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Right. And they also pushed out a narrative that you get more myocarditis from the virus rather than you do from the vaccine.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Well, what you do is get you get high troponin levels. Right. And I see Mahaltra explained all this is that when you test for that, you can assume if a person is suffering from a viral infection that they will have high troponin levels. But it doesn't mean they have myocarditis. Right. So you're calling it myocarditis without actually doing an MRI on the heart.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Explain the whole thing with the lipid nanoparticles so people understand why they cause damage.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We have no idea. Therein, that's the problem with the whole cynical game. Because I'm not convinced. You know why I'm not convinced? Because everybody wants me to be convinced. When they yell at you, if you ask a question, like, hey, one of the things that I've always said, and everyone sort of agrees with this.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so these injections, which were supposed to stay local, is it because that they didn't aspirate that they get into blood vessels? What is the reason why it gets through the entire system?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I mean, literally everyone, even people that think that the election was 100 percent legitimate. the percentage of voter fraud is never zero, correct? And they're always like, yes. No one can say it's zero. It's not zero. There's a bunch of slippery people that get arrested on both sides of the aisle. Republicans and Democrats get arrested for election fraud. It's a real crime.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And that seems so straightforward that I can't imagine that they were showing people doing it any other way on television.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Even when they did the president. Remember when they injected him on television? Stuck it right in there.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Are you suggesting that that was deception and they didn't give him this lifesaving vaccine?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I don't think so. I suggested it back then and I got called a kook. But I was talking about... There was a lot of people that were talking about being injured, and they were getting attacked. Remember when they were going after Eric Clapton? Yeah. Remember that one? Oh, yeah. That was horrific. I mean, full-bore attacks on Eric Clapton. I mean, calling him the most hurtful words, an anti-vaxxer.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
He's always been a terrible person. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And how can you rationalize continuing to have these companies exempt?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Especially if they're that profitable. Because we know that if they're profitable, they're going to keep selling stuff.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
The idea that they commit all these other acts of fraud and deception, but when it comes to elections, Brett, that's a sacred institution that we don't violate at any cost.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Yeah, because there's just too much room for fuckery and profit. When they know that something is profitable and they know they can get away with it because they don't have any liability at all, they're going to fuck with you. They're going to gaslight you. They always have because you have two different types of people, right, that are involved in any kind of medication.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You have the scientists and the clinicians that develop these things and create these things, and then you've got the money people. And the money people, they're not even scientists. What those people are interested in is making the most amount of money for their company. In fact, they have... A responsibility to their shareholders. Right. To make a ton of money. Absolutely.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
To make more money every year. So if they know that they can get it, it's their job as CEO to push that shit through. Why do you have all those connections and all those relationships if you don't utilize them to help our company? Isn't that why you get a fucking gigantic salary every year as a CEO of a pharmaceutical drug company? Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And don't you understand the relationship that we have with the FDA and the CDC has been – we have cultivated this relationship forever. So we have a revolving door to make it nice and easy. So the people that are in charge of regulation, they get a nice sweet job, a nice sweet golden – we got it locked in. We got it locked up. Let's sell this shit. Sell it.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Anything, anything across the board. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's just bizarre that we let that slip through because they had decided at one point in time that vaccines create so many problems. There's no way they could sell these and be profitable and have legal responsibility. And our government was like, all right, all right, no responsibility.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yeah. Explain when this happened and how it happened to people so they understand that this is this is an issue that came up because of problems from vaccines.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Yes, which is right now pretty fucking insane. There's so many of them. They give them to them so quickly, like from the moment they're born. They want to bang them up with vaccines. And it's incredibly profitable. Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
People who are kind people, who are intelligent people, would never imagine there are human beings that are willing to profit off of injecting babies with things that may very well fuck them up for the rest of their life. They're like, there's no way. No one's that evil.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Oh, well, you look at just the history of vaccines themselves. You read turtles all the way down or dissolving illusions. You're just like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Right. What? What happened? Because all our lives... Vaccines are the most important invention. Vaccines saved countless millions of lives. Vaccines are the way we can be safe today.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
So that was one of the dirtiest tricks about this mRNA technology, that they piggybacked on an old word that already had pass. It already had a hall pass.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But wait a minute, because isn't allergies have always existed and they existed before even vaccines.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
There's nothing in the literature about vaccine or about allergies before vaccines.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
No. Sometimes dogs are, but dogs get vaccinated to high heaven too.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Have you seen that they're calling for a ceasefire in Gaza so that they can vaccinate for polio? Yes, I have seen that.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
You're going to not blow people up temporarily so they can keep them from a disease? Do you know the statistics of when people get polio, how much of polio is asymptomatic? Do you know the statistics?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I was going to give you the number. It's 95 to 99% asymptomatic.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
I had read this thing that was connecting DDT as well.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Lots of cases of it in rural areas where people sprayed...
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
But have you seen in New York City, they're spraying pesticide in the sky to kill the mosquitoes that might be carrying the West Nile virus?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Mosquitoes. They're spraying pesticide. They're letting people know, we will be spraying at 8 p.m. Stay inside. Limit your exposure to the pesticide. And they're driving trucks down the street that are just spraying pesticide. So we don't learn. Right. And isn't that disease, West Nile virus, isn't that like 80% of the people, it's almost nothing?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, not only that, they've established this narrative that it's imperative that the Democrats win to save democracy. Right. So the Verdi made all of these statements that it's more important for them to win than anything. More important than anything. More important than having primaries. More important than letting the people decide who the representative is.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
And so I've been looking to find the videos of them spraying that shit in New York City because it's it's very Orwellian. It's very like, how do we not how do we not know to not do this anymore? Like this seems like a crate. Look, they're driving down the street spraying. Look, there's mosquitoes. We got to kill them. So they're spraying at the back of this fucking truck.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
By the way, you're not killing anything. You're killing what's on that street. What about what's in between the houses? What's in the fields? What's in the park? What's at the lake where they all breed?
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Six confirmed cases. We need to start spraying. One of them was Dr. Fauci. Right. He was hospitalized, Brett.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
More important than having live actual conversations, interviews that aren't edited on CNN. Instead, they have a 40-plus minute one that's edited down to 18 minutes. Like, what? Yeah.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
Well, and then look at a guy like Fauci, who was one of the rare few that was hospitalized, and he's had six shots, according to him.
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#2198 - Bret Weinstein
We're also recommending it to people that already have natural immunity, which is the most bizarre thing.
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The most bizarre, because there's no science that backs that up. It doesn't make any sense, and yet we're still saying to these people, you've got to get your boosters. This IgG4? IgG4. IgG4. What does that stand for?
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And why does this, what is it about the mRNA shots that causes this to happen?
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We just know measurably people who have more of them have this.
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But was there any literature that indicated that this was going to have this effect before they rolled out the vaccines, or was this just an unfortunate byproduct?
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It doesn't make any sense, and it's one of those things, again, that you're forced into agreeing with just out of fear because people get very aggressive with it, just like people were super aggressive about the vaccine. I hate seeing people – die because they made a poor choice.
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So if weapons manufacturers were involved in the creation of a virus... What, especially a virus like a respiratory virus that could go across the entire population of the planet and did, what would be the use of something that only kills old people and overweight people?
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You're saying it's bioweapons research that created this virus, but not that the virus was actually a bioweapon.
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But there's something insane about how many people were like pro-vaccine advocates that were shaming people and angry at people. And now they're dead. And they're not dead because they ran their time and they got old and they died. And it's unfortunate, but it happens to all of us. No, they're dead young. Like a lot, a lot of people, not one, not 20.
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Right. So the Wuhan lab was a Chinese-based weapons lab, bioweapons lab?
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And also the fact that this funding was stopped in 2014 by the Obama administration, but then Fauci restarted it under the Trump administration. And there's no... There's no specified goal in terms of, like, what's the positive benefit for society if this research is done. There's a huge possibility that it leaks, and it's incredibly detrimental, which it did.
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But there's also, even though they were working on this stuff for so long, there was no cure whatsoever. For COVID? For the thing that they created.
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So if you're going to create something that could potentially damage the human race, so you're worried about what would happen if there really was a natural spillover, and this thing really did come through a pangolin or whatever the fuck it did, and then got into people, we need to figure out a way to save people. But there's no solution.
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They were working on this stuff forever, and they didn't have a solution.
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And the way you would use ivermectin is upon initial infection, it's very quickly you give it to people? Yeah. So there's a certain point in time where after the infection it's not going to be effective anymore?
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We don't even know what the real numbers are because it's not something the mainstream media covers because they've all been vaccinated, too. And they're probably freaking the fuck out, too.
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Well, don't you think the most obvious answer would be there was a pathway to extreme wealth? If you're going to have a vaccine that is paid for by the government, not only that, the government profits off of, right? So they own patent, right? They own a piece of Moderna, right? So they sold these vaccines to themselves, essentially. They made incredible money.
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amounts of them, they distributed them all over the world, insane amount of profit, and then forced people to take them, and then ignored all evidence that there was other medications. In fact, demonized those medications publicly, like what they did on CNN.
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That's the demon showing its eyes, what they did on CNN and all those networks when they were talking and calling it horse dewormer, despite the fact that it had won the Nobel Prize for use in humans. All that stuff, the most obvious answer would be profit because you look at the amount of money that was generated. How much money did they make? How much money was generated by Pfizer? Let's ask.
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Let's take a guess. How much money do you think was generated by Pfizer and Moderna between 2021 and 2023, which is like the peak years where people are taking it? It's kind of tough to talk people into taking it now, but there's a bunch of believers, and I follow a few of them on Twitter, that are all in. Take a guess. How much money do you think they made?
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2021 and 2023. I think 2023 was the first year it really dropped off.
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I'm going to guess between the two of them, I want to say $90 billion. That's what I want to say. That's my guess.
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How much up? Okay, let me try again. $200 billion. It's a little over $100 billion.
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Yeah. So over $100 billion. Yeah, but that ain't nothing. That's a lot of money.
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It's not? Not. But you don't think that's enough money for them, first of all? I don't think it's what they were targeting. You have this wonderful thing called the emergency use exemption, right? Yeah. And the only way to allow people to get away with the emergency use exemption is you have to have some sort of proof that nothing else works. Yeah, I know.
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If you have another effective medication, you don't get emergency use authorization, right?
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Yeah, did an episode of news radio with him. Super nice guy.
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Let's pause real quick because I have to pee and we'll come back right into that because I want to know the whole thing and I can't be thinking what happened. I totally get it. All right. We'll be right back. All right. And we're back. So we were at the emergency use authorization. Yeah. And you think that that wasn't necessary and they could have gotten it through anyway.
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But doesn't that also make sense that the emergency use authorization would have to be in place in order for them to implement this? Because you're always going to, like you said, the lack of a control, right? If everybody gets vaccinated, you don't know what the hell happened. You blame it on COVID, which is why people who have been hit with the shots say they have long COVID.
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But if you have no emergency use authorization and then people are allowed to make their own decisions and doctors are allowed to make their own decisions, there's a lot of – it's way easier to do it with this emergency use authorization. It's way easier to slip it through.
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And the only way you could stop that is if all of a sudden – so emergency use authorization is supposed to only exist if there's not – some sort of a medication that currently exists that treats it, right? Otherwise, you're going to have to go through all the trials if there's another medication that exists.
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So you demonize the medications, you sneak it through, you make everybody take it, therefore you lose the control, and now you've got this platform rolled out. Do you think that they didn't know to the extent of the damage that it was going to cause? I think they knew. You think they knew it was going to harm that many people?
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I see what you're saying. But the most important thing was rolling out this platform.
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Well, they don't even want to consider the vaccine, which is so crazy. If you called it anything else, if it wasn't called the vaccine, if it wasn't for covid. OK, let's because covid became so it became so politicized. And it was like culturally so polarizing. Let's pretend it was for something else.
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And so – Do you think that the blowback from all of this and the amount of people that are reporting vaccine injuries and the amount of discussion that's happening, especially online, about these things makes it more difficult for them to roll out that platform for other things?
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And there was some medication and the people that were taking that medication were dropping like flies. They would 100% make a correlation and they would make it publicly and it would be in the news. Of course, it might not actually be in the news today because this is part of the problem with what we're dealing with, with advertising and the media.
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The only way you're going to develop new novel medications that are effective is commerce. You're going to have to have people profiting off of them, which is why they fund them. It costs a lot of money under the current climate. If you have FDA approval, it costs billions of dollars to achieve that. So you need people to be able to make money.
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is that there's so much revenue that comes from pharmaceutical drug companies that there's just a reality about them reluctant to print or put any stories on television that are negative.
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But isn't people making money off these medications the real reason why stuff like this happens in the first place?
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When you say rare, what percentage do you think it is? 1%.
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Yeah, I know. Isn't that funny? That was what was hilarious to me during the pandemic was people that were clearly not physically healthy saying that the only way that you could be healthy was to take this medication. That, to me, was bizarre. It was so bizarre because they weren't even considering taking care of their body.
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They were only considering taking this medication as if taking care of your body was foolish. Right. Which is so weird. Like when I had Hotez on, he was talking about his diet. I remember that. He's like, what do you eat? Do you ever work out? He eats junk food. He eats junk food and blasts himself with vaccines. Yeah. It's nuts. It's nuts.
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Yeah. I mean, just the contradictory statements over the years and his stance on vaccines when Trump was president, his stance on the mRNA platform when Trump was president versus the immediate 180 that he took once Biden took an office.
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I think it's two. It's number two. It's the latter. With a little bit of number one that is necessary in order to be number two. I think if you're a part of a system and it's really important that you support all the people above you in the system and that you all work together and you're a good company man, you'll find profound ways to justify the things that you're saying.
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And especially if you can use some science-y kind of talk and talk about diseases and inflate people dying and inflate numbers and inflate this and that. Yeah.
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Which is why they attacked me so hard. They don't want someone healthy. Get over it real quick and say, hey, you know me. I work out all the time. By the way, got over it real quick. That's how I did it.
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Absolutely. Yeah, there was no comforting people, no telling people, listen, it's not nearly as bad as we thought it was going to be. You're going to be fine. They didn't want to contribute to vaccine hesitancy because they wanted that money to keep rolling in. And the number, I mean, just the shift in that, imagine if they did.
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Do you think in the future we'll look back on this and there'll be some sort of a shift in the way we discuss it? You know, there's a lot of things in history that during the time where they were happening, I'm sure people were all like the McCarthy era. Yeah. I'm sure people thought it was very important to root out these communists. But they didn't exactly understand.
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Imagine if right away they said, you know what, this is not nearly as bad as we thought it was going to be, the way Bill Gates talks about it now. It actually mostly affected older people and people who are very vulnerable. Those are the people that really affected it.
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The amount of profit they would have made would have been significantly less, and the enthusiasm for the platform would have been significantly less.
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But it's also the weird thing was, especially now because of Zuckerberg's recent statement, we now know for sure that what he was saying was that they were pressuring them to remove COVID-19 information that turned out to be true. So the government was involved in this whole thing because the government was probably being pressured by the pharmaceutical drug companies.
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So what's worst case scenario in your mind? With all the competing factors that are happening right now, what's worst case scenario?
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They're loyal. They're lovable. Just having Marshall around can make my day ten times better. I'm sure you love your dog just as much, and you want to do your best to help them live longer, healthier, happier lives. And a healthy life for your dog starts with healthy food, just like it does for us. There's a reason having a balanced diet is so important.
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Like, hey, you're calling a lot of people communists. They aren't even communists. You're going after people that just went to meetings to find out what's going on. The world didn't exactly understand what that even meant back then. We look back at it now. The Red Scare is like a negative thing. It's a dangerous sort of negative aspect of our history.
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And what would be the way they would go about doing that?
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The First Amendment's dangerous. The Constitution's dangerous. Don't you see? Is it dangerous? They pose the question.
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How many FBI agents do you think are going to show up?
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Yeah, violence is very different than sport. Yeah, good. Combat sports, violence is just a part of it. They're some of the nicest guys you ever want to meet.