The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mark Hyman: Everything You're Eating Is Toxic, and Big Pharma Likes It That Way
Wed, 27 Nov 2024
Big companies are poisoning Americans. Dr. Mark Hyman has been saying that for thirty years. He’s finally been vindicated. (00:00) Bobby Kennedy as Trump’s New HHS Director (04:04) Obesity and “Ultra Processed Foods” (23:07) Does Junk Food Cause Cancer and Alzheimer's? (45:31) Who’s Funding the Chronic Health Disease Epidemic? (50:39) Healthy Food Decreasing Violence in Prisons (57:30) Vaccines Paid partnerships with: Meriwether Farms https://MeriwetherFarms.com/Tucker Use promo code “TUCKERCHRISTMAS” to save Cozy Earth https://CozyEarth.com/Tucker Promo code “Tucker” for up to 40% off Eight Sleep Get $600 off the Pod 4 Ultra https://EightSleep.com/Tucker Levels https://Levels.Link/Tucker 2 extra months free Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the role of Bobby Kennedy in health policy?
So, okay, Bobby Kennedy, your longtime friend, looks like he's going to be the HHS secretary. Assess. Did you think that was going to happen in your lifetime?
Well, not in my lifetime, no. Tucker, we're in this historic moment where, you know, America's waking up to the fact that it's been the frog in boiling water, slowly getting sicker and sicker and sicker, bankrupting our country with almost $5 trillion in healthcare costs, $1.5 of our economy. 80% of it or more is preventable. 99% of Medicare dollars are spent on preventable chronic disease.
And never this conversation has happened in the political discourse until now. Which is a little crazy because you hear people talk about health care all the time. Well, they talk about health care as a way of limiting entitlements or Medicare for all.
Exactly. Everybody's upset about health care on some level for some reason, but I haven't heard anybody until recently in the public sphere say, address like why it's so expensive. Right.
Chapter 2: How do ultra-processed foods contribute to obesity?
So the question, I know I'm a functional medicine doctor. Yes. My focus is on why. What's the cause? What's the root cause of the cause, the cause, the cause?
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Well, ideally, yes. But I remember sitting in my office years ago and I had a diabetic patient come in. I realized, you know, I can't cure diabetes in my office. It's cured on the farm and the food we grow. It's cured in the food manufacturing process. It's cured by what people buy in the grocery store. It's cured in the kitchen. And so we really have to look at the root causes of our food system.
I said, why are my patients eating this food? Well, it's because of the food system. Well, why do we have the food system we have and the way in which it's operating that drives this chronic disease epidemic, which now is the biggest killer on the planet and is caused by food? Food has outpaced smoking as the number one killer in the world. It kills 11 million people a year.
It's the biggest killer in the United States. Why does that happen? It's because our policies are driven in large part by industry, by the food industry, the ag industry, chemical and seed companies. And those are the companies that are profiting. This is the biggest food, biggest industry in the world. It's over $16 trillion when you aggregate all the...
food companies, the fast food companies, the agricultural chemical and seed companies. And this is enormous force that's driving our political process. And so a lot of the policies we have either by, you know, just kind of misalignment of our expectations and incentives of what happened or because of deliberate actions in the food companies have actually
driven a food system that's making us sick. And we have an illness industrial complex. We have a system that's driving disease and everybody's profiting from it. And no one's addressed that before. And this is why we have the system.
So we're supporting commodity crops, wheat, corn, and soy that get turned into ultra processed food, which is basically chemical science projects that our bodies are not used to. They're not technically defined as food. Food is something that helps nourish a human being towards life and growth. These things don't. They do the opposite. They cause disease.
And so we sort of slowly get into this system where we're seeing an enormous rise in chronic diseases over the last 50 years. You know, Tucker, when I graduated medical school, the cost for healthcare in America was half a trillion dollars. Now it's almost 10 times that in my lifetime. When I graduated medical school, there was not a single state with an obesity rate over 15%.
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Chapter 3: What is the relationship between junk food and chronic diseases?
So that, well, that just, it made me think that actually people who are obese are not the perpetrators, but the victims of the crime.
This is really important, Tucker. You just hit on something that is so critical, which is that we have blamed the victim for this problem. I have. It's your fault you're fat, you're a glutton, you're lazy. Yes. And it's your fault. So just stop eating that crap and get healthy and you'll save America. That's bullshit. Okay.
Okay, so I kind of obviously feel better to hear that, but I think that's true.
It's absolutely true. The NIH did an incredible study where they took a group of people and they fed them for two weeks a whole foods diet matched for protein, fat, carbs, fiber. Then they fed them an ultra processed diet and they saw what happened to their biology. The ultra-processed food, which is what 60% of our diet is, 67% of kids' diet, it's 73% of the food on our grocery store shelves.
When you eat that food, it dysregulates your appetite. You eat 500 calories more a day in a week. That's 3,500 calories. 3,500 calories equals a pound of weight gain in a year. That's 52 pounds. So if Americans are eating this food, which is everywhere, which is ubiquitous, which we're marketed to death on. I mean, kids...
get targeted, $14 billion, the food industry spends on marketing junk food to kids. They see an average of 30,000 ads a year. You could talk to your kid breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and snacks about healthy food, and you're not gonna be marketing. And this to me is criminal. Most countries have banned this. Most countries don't allow this.
And for example, Chile has gotten all the food marketing to kids off between six in the morning and 10 at night. They have no more Tony the Tiger on Frosted Flakes, no more Toucan on Fruit Loops. You're saying Frosted Flakes are a highly processed food? Of course they are. I mean, I'm a cereal killer, to tell the truth. I am a cereal killer.
I think cereal is the worst thing ever invented for humanity. It's basically 75% sugar. It's sugar for breakfast. It's dessert for breakfast. That's not what we should be eating. And so what's happened is there are ways in which we are making it so easy for people to make the wrong choice. And when you're exposed to these foods, you're going to gain weight. You're going to be dysregulated.
You're going to destroy your microbiome. You're going to create inflammation. You're going to drive heart disease, cancer, diabetes, dementia. autoimmune diseases, all these things are coming at explosive rates. And, you know, I've looked at the data and even though we're spending more and more, it would be fine if we were spending $5 trillion and America was getting healthy.
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Chapter 4: Who benefits from the chronic health disease epidemic?
And they're stuck between the crop insurance that the government's paying, the banks, which are providing them the loans, and the agrochemical and seed companies that are providing the fertilizer, the seeds, and the chemicals that they're spraying on the farm. And they can't get out of that toxic loop. And they're struggling. Those rural communities are struggling so bad. And that can be fixed.
And so when you look at... Shit, I lost my train of thought. Ultra processed foods.
So processed is any food that's been changed in its composition.
So what happens is they're growing these commodity crops that the government's basically supporting them funding of wheat, corn, and soy, but you're not eating wheat berries or whole grain. You're not eating true whole soybeans. You're not eating just corn on the cob.
These are deconstructed in factories and science, basically science labs, into their molecular components are torn apart and rebuilt into these chemically extruded food-like substances of all colors, sizes, and shapes that are not by definition food. If you look up the Webster's definition of food, it's not actually technically food.
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Chapter 5: Can healthy food reduce violence in prisons?
And so what most Americans are eating is stuff that actually is harmful, that's causing disease and killing people. It's literally, think about it, the equivalent of two holocausts a year are caused by the food we're eating, according to the Global Burden Disease Study.
So how do you know it when you see it? You said 70% of our grocery store offerings are ultra-processed.
You know, the labeling, food labeling is a big issue and is one of our key initiatives, I think, if we move forward in this administration, it has to be addressed. People need informed consent. They need to be empowered with the right information. They need to know what they're eating, whether it's good or bad for them.
And now you need to be a PhD scientist to read a nutrition label or read the ingredients to know what it means. Right.
So I avoid the Nilla wafers.
That's, I guess, an obvious one. If you look at the ingredient list, it should be stuff you know. It should say tomatoes or salt. So that's the measurement? Yeah. If you see stuff like a butylated hydroxy toluene, probably not something you want to be eating.
And many of these chemicals that we use in America are outlawed in other countries, in Europe and Singapore and in many other countries, these compounds that have been validated to show that how harmful they are to human beings have been removed from the marketplace. And we should follow those standards here. So labeling is really key and we're going to work on that.
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Chapter 6: What is the impact of vaccines on public health?
But right now, if you're just trying to figure it out, Look at the ingredient list. If there's stuff there that you wouldn't have on your kitchen counter or you wouldn't have in your pantry, don't eat it. If it says maltodextrin, where's your maltodextrin jar in your spice jar? Where's your butylated hydroxy toluene? Do you sprinkle that on your salad? No.
So if you don't understand it, don't eat it. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, things can have a long list of ingredients. If you eat Indian foods, they have lots of spices. That's fine. It's real food. But if it's something that is in Latin that you don't understand, can't pronounce, or it has a health claim on the label, it's probably not good for you.
I mean, like Lay's potato chips now says they're gluten-free. I mean, that's ridiculous, right? Oh, it's gluten-free. It's healthy. No, it's not. It's gluten-free because there's no wheat in that, right? Of course, but Coca-Cola is gluten-free. My rule is if it has a health claim on the label, don't eat it. If there's a health claim. Yeah.
If it's low fat, high fiber, low cholesterol, you know, you know, if it's no sugar, if it's, you know, gluten free, it's hiding something. They're hiding something. Right. It's just food. I mean, you know, tomato doesn't say gluten free on it. Right. It's just a tomato.
So that, I mean, that limits your options. Well, you know what? You're going to lose weight just from scarcity at that point.
You know what? It's amazing. I had this view that it was people's fault they were fat. And I went down as part of this movie called Fed Up that I did with Katie Couric and Laurie David about 10 years ago. We went to South Carolina. And I went to Easley, South Carolina, one of the poorest areas in America, one of the worst food deserts in America.
There's something called the Retail Environment Food Index, how many fast food and junk food and bodegas there are compared to grocery stores. They're like 10 to 1. And this family of five lived in a trailer. They were on disability and food stamps. And they wanted to sort of get healthy. And I asked them, why do you want to get healthy? Because I'm like, why do you want to be in this movie?
They said, well, my dad's 42. He has type 2 diabetes from the food he ate. He has kidney failure. He's on dialysis. He's going to die unless he loses 40 pounds. And we can't get him to lose 40 pounds. We don't know what to do. The mother was well over 150 pounds overweight. The son was, you know, 16 years old, almost diabetic, 50% body fat. It should be 10 to 20%.
I said, rather than giving a lecture about what to do and what to eat, I said, let's go to your house. Let's go shopping, get some simple foods that are inexpensive, that are whole foods, that are healthy to eat. So we made turkey chili. This was from Good Food on a Tight Budget, a guide from the Environmental Working Group. I said, here's turkey chili. Here's how to roast some sweet potatoes.
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Chapter 7: How does the food industry influence health policies?
We've gotten really no results. Because I don't think you're a crackpot. But if, I mean, here you are sitting on camera saying, no, Alzheimer's is reversible. Yeah. Talk about a headline. Why isn't that in the New York Times? Good freaking question.
No, I'm serious though. Good freaking question. So either you're crazy or they're dishonest. Yeah. I think it's a medical paradigm shift. You know, I think most doctors are in a world that's flat world. they don't understand that the world is round. We've shifted a paradigm scientifically from a disease-based diagnostic system to understanding the body as an integrated ecosystem.
And so the work of people like Leroy Hood from the Institute for Systems Biology, his phenome project, is mapping out how our understanding of disease is completely wrong. It's based on labeling people according to symptoms and where it is in their body, rather than on mechanisms and causes. So I wrote a book called Young Forever, which is about longevity.
We talked about it, I think, last time I was on your show. And in the book, I talk about the scientists who come up with this model of what are the root causes of aging? Because we think aging is just going to happen inevitably. We're going to get sick. We're going to get older. We're going to get frail. We're going to get weak. And they've identified the underlying biology behind that.
So if we cured heart disease and cancer from the face of the planet, we might extend life five to seven years. You can get the same thing with meaning and purpose or playing tennis. But if you actually dealt with the hallmarks of aging, the things that really go wrong, inflammation,
and your microbiome, all the things that underlie disease, you could extend life by 30 or 40 years, which means living to 120, which is a crazy notion, right? So we now understand biology in a very different way than we did before. And it hasn't translated into the clinic.
And so why I co-founded Function Health with my co-founders was to help accelerate this gap, to kind of leapfrog over this ossified system.
But we need to change- But it's just kind of crazy what you're saying. If you take three steps back, it's like the whole point of medicine, I presumed, was to extend and improve life. Yes. Right, to keep you from dying, to make you healthier, to make you happier.
And so if there is science that shows that that's possible and everyone's ignoring it, then I'm trying not to use profanity, but like, what is that?
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Chapter 8: What are the root causes of rising cancer rates?
But they're responding to forces bigger than themselves. Yeah. Medical education is a great example. Doctors graduating in the 50s or 40s, we're dealing with infectious disease and acute care medicine. And we have the best acute care medicine system in the world, bar none. If you have an acute infection, if you have sepsis, if you need an ICU- You're in a car crash. You're in a car crash.
Damn right, I'm going to the hospital. But that system doesn't work for chronic illness. And that's what we're facing now. And so the 80% of the conditions that doctors are seeing are chronic diseases for which drugs are not the right therapy most of the time.
They can be helpful as adjuncts, but the fundamental drivers of our chronic disease epidemic is the food we're eating and also environmental toxins that are adding to that. And when you add those two things together, it explains most of the chronic disease epidemic.
It's just... I mean, a lot of smart people you included, you're definitely one of the earliest, but are saying varieties of what you're saying now. So, I mean, it was, you know, 30 years ago or so that the Congress hauled the heads of the tobacco companies, Reynolds and Philip Morris and Laurel Arden, humiliated them on camera. And like, you knew you were hurting people, you did it anyway.
That's right. Is that going to happen with Nabisco anytime soon?
I mean, there are class action lawsuits that are being now raised around these companies to look at holding them accountable for what they're doing. And they know. And there's been FOIA requests and information requests that I actually wrote about in my book that show their nefarious behavior.
For example, targeting minorities and targeting poor income, lower income people to focus on buying more junk food. Well, the food stamp program is a perfect example of that. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of crazy, Tucker, when you think about it.
You know, when the American taxpayer is paying through the nose for everything all the way along, the companies are privatizing profits and we're socializing the costs.
So we basically fund the growth of commodity crops with $20 billion of subsidies in crop insurance for corn, wheat, and soy for the farmers, which puts them in a really tight bond because they can't change their system without support changing to a more regenerative system that they're going to make more money, they're going to grow better food, they're going to
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