The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker and Chris Cuomo Debate JFK/Epstein Files, DOGE, Joe Rogan, NATO, Transgenderism, and DEI
Mon, 10 Mar 2025
What does it mean to be an American? The Chris Cuomo debate. (00:00) Chris Cuomo Admits Tucker Was Right (08:46) Joe Rogan Changing the Media Landscape (16:56) Andrew Cuomo vs. Eric Adams (20:00) How Do We Fix New York? (54:16) The Epstein Files (59:59) Bill Barr’s Involvement in the Epstein Cover-Up Paid partnerships with: Beam: Get 47% off for a limited time using the code TUCKER at https://ShopBeam.com/Tucker Liberty Safe: Promo code “Tucker” at https://LibertySafe.com/Tucker Jase Medical: Go to https://Jase.com and use code TUCKER at checkout for a discount Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are Chris Cuomo's thoughts on leaving CNN?
So, last time we talked was a year ago. You somehow look younger. I feel worn out and fatter. I've been on the road for too long. But first day of Lent, I'm getting right now. But anyway, it's been a year since we talked about this.
And last time we talked, I think you were still like, and I probably was too little off balance from being vomited out of television world into this, the great beyond. But I was thinking about you this morning and I was thinking, I bet he's really grateful he's not at CNN now.
So, it gives me no particular joy to say this, but you were right. Well, okay. Don't get used to it. It's the last time you'll hear it in this conversation. Du hast gesagt, gib dir Zeit, verabschiede dich von dem, was du tust, und schaue nicht nach der Aufmerksamkeit, wo du warst. Ja. Und das war wirklich gute Hinweise.
Es ist nicht einfach zu tun, aber News Nation hat mich in meinem Leben ein Glück genannt. Ich wusste es nicht an der Zeit. So my brother is running for mayor. My bosses, and of course they had the benefit of going to school on what happened with me at CNN. But the embrace, the willingness and acceptance of, wow, this is great for your family. This is great for your brother.
We're excited for you guys. I like... I thought it was like a test, you know, that if I seemed okay about that, they'd be like, aha, we knew it. And the difference, the change of one conversation of them saying, well, we're with you, we support you. And I said, well, I'm going to just tell the audience, though, I'm not going to cover the race, obviously, because I'd have a conflict.
And they were like, yeah, duh, they know that. If you feel like you have to say it, say it. And I realized, wow, they really believe in what I'm doing here and supporting me. I love that. And so there's just a really profound gratitude.
So there's not this weird hypocrisy where they encourage you to have your brother on because he's famous in the news, is what CNN did to you. From my perspective watching, they encourage you, hey, Chris, call your brother, have him on.
Und dann, wie ein Jahr später, wie, oh, warte, du sprachst mit deinem Bruder, du bist verabschiedet. Ja. Es ist zu falsch. dann werde ich es sein. Und das ist passiert. Und ich habe es akzeptiert. Ich blöde CNN nicht. Das waren wirklich nur zwei Leute, die Entscheidungen über mein Leben gemacht haben. Nicht die Organisation. Ich vermisse die Leute. Ich wünsche dem Ort gut. Das ist alles wahr.
Aber ich habe eine Verbindung mit News Nation und diesen Leuten, wo ich Angst habe, für sie zu blühen. Ich bin gespannt, dass ich es jeden Tag auf die Linie stelle. Irgendwo in der Welt. Weil...
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Chapter 2: How is Joe Rogan changing the media landscape?
It's funny. I don't want to spend two hours beating up on the media because everyone hates them already. But it is... It's been almost two years for me since I haven't worked in the media.
And it's weird how you, when you do work there for your whole life, you just accept that like, yeah, everyone lies all the time and it's totally treacherous and people who claim to be your friends actually hate you and every dispute is settled with a lawyer. It's like, oh, it's so disgusting, but you just accept that's like the way things work, but that's not how things work outside the media.
Nirgendwo in deiner Leben. Es ist Teil der Politik und der Medien. Sie sind sicherlich verbunden, wenn nicht verheiratet. Und ich denke, dass die größte Frustration, die du und ich beide wissen, es gibt viele tolle Männer und Frauen, die den Job für die richtigen Gründe machen.
100%.
And that dichotomy, let's call it, that paradox, is really... Well, it's hypocrisy. Yes, and it's really dangerous. And look, unfortunately, it works so well, you know? If I were to cover you in any situation... und einen positiven Einfluss darauf stellen. Das ist ein Puff-Piece. Es ist schwach. Cuomo hat sich verblüfft. Er wurde von diesem fremden, lüftigen Lächeln erhoben.
Und wenn ich dann sage, ich habe mit Tucker gesessen und als ich es wusste, hat der Teufel gespawnt. Oh, das war ein hart hängendes Piece. Er kam wirklich hin.
Das ist so ein Kind.
Die Kommodität ist die Negativität. Wenn du ein hartes Journalist sein willst, dann sagst du lieber etwas Negatives über jemanden. Es ist eine Proxy für Insight.
I just interviewed Sam Bankman Fried yesterday from jail. It hasn't aired yet. And I actually really enjoyed the conversation. And about five minutes in, I was like, oh shit, I haven't asked him a single mean question about his business. He's in jail for 25 years. So I thought, I don't really need to make the case that he did something wrong. A jury's already decided that. And
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Chapter 3: What is the current state of New York City politics?
Er hat mir gezeigt, wie man einen Ball schießen kann, wie man einen Motorrad fahren kann, wie man sich schießen kann, wie man sich verteidigen kann. Er hat mir gezeigt, warum man für seine Familie da ist und wie. Er hat mir gezeigt, warum man den Fahrrad sauber halten muss und wie man mit den Fahrrädern arbeitet. All diese Dinge, wie man Fisch, wie man Böden macht, all diese Dinge war mein Bruder.
Also bin ich wirklich, wirklich an ihm und seinem Wohlbefinden verbunden. Und wenn du jemanden hörst, den du liebst und kümmerst, sagst du, Hey, I think I'm going to go run for office again. I've got to serve. I know why that sounds great to New Yorkers, but to me it's, you want more of that? That is the dirtiest, most unfair, savage business in the world. Es gibt keine Chance.
Es ist, als würde er mir sagen, er wolle einen Komodo-Dragon kämpfen. Weißt du, was ich meine? Es ist so, hey, ich muss wirklich das tun. Du wirst bluten. Sie werden aktiv versuchen, dich zu schaden. Mit keinem Blick auf die Merite. Und wir nennen es das Spiel. Aber es ist wie Thunderdome. Also als jemand, der ihn liebt. Why would I be excited about him wanting to expose himself? Of course not.
But look, when I hear him, it's like, you know, I almost tear up because it's so much like my father. My father used to describe public service. You know, my father hated that I went into the media, by the way. I'm sure my therapist could have like a whole field.
I don't even open that box of chocolates with my therapist because I know I'd be paying for the rest of my life about just explaining that. But his problem with it was, why do you want to be part of of a group that just criticizes people who are trying to get things done when you could actually be trying to get something done. And that's why he believes in public service. Andrew is the same thing.
He skips right past the price. Ich kann es nie überstehen. Ich würde nicht sagen, dass ich 100 Tucker Carlsons auf meinem Arsch schütteln werde, wie ein Hühnchen jeden Tag. Das wird nicht passieren. Ich werde es nicht beheben. Ich will sie immer kämpfen. Und er geht direkt über all diese Ideen, was er in dieser Kapazität tun könnte und was tun muss. Und ich bin so, ja, aber... Und? Und?
So, I gotta support him.
I mean, I'm for that level of intensity. You just cannot let people wreck the city. You can't let them live on the sidewalks. That's how he feels. You can't let them smoke weed in the parks. I agree with you.
I would just want somebody else to deal with it.
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Chapter 4: Why is the Epstein files controversy significant?
was ist es, weißt du, und was ist dieses Epstein-Ding, das wir alle gesehen haben?
George Stephanopoulos trinkt mit uns, jeder, den du kennst, ist in Epsteins Haus, wie Ehud Barak ist da jeden Tag, wie, was zur Hölle ist das, wie, wer hat diesen Kerl getötet, er wurde klar getötet, offensichtlich, er wurde nicht verurteilt, schau, starte nur dort an, zeig uns die File, die die Theorie seines Verurteilungssatzes substantiiert haben, Just show him to us.
Or where's your investigation into his death, which you promised Attorney General Barr that you're going to do, and you never did.
I guess what I'm saying is, if you take three steps back, you're like, wait, this really is, this isn't just, you know, maybe some of the details are wrong, or certainly stories like this draw all the wackos like a bug light for sure, and they come up with these fantastical theories to explain it. But just the knowable facts, the confirmed facts suggest something really, really big.
Der Moment, an dem ich nicht mehr viel über die Eppstein-Szene gedacht habe, bis ich bemerkt habe, dass die Republikanerin, zwei-mal die Republikanerin General Barr, darüber verliebt hat. Warum würde Barr darüber verlieben? Eppstein ist ein großer demokratischer Donor. Barr war nicht nah an Trump. Er hat nicht für Trump gesetzt. Was ist das? Und ich weiß die Antwort nicht.
Aber das war der Moment, an dem ich dachte, wow, Bill Crystals Anwalt ist involviert in dem, was er war. I don't know, there's just a lot. There's a lot there. There's so much there that it starts to make you nervous. And it makes you think like, maybe it's not just that things are screwed up on the margins, but maybe at the core is something really dark.
I don't know. I don't either. Look, this is the problem with the vacuum of information, right? Is that you then start speculating about why they won't just tell you these things.
And I'm not. I'm not going to speculate on it because I don't know. And I don't even have like really good theories. I do have some theories, but they could be completely wrong. All I'm saying is a rational person arrives inevitably at the conclusion that there's a real reason. These have not been discussed. Maybe. It's not just entropy.
I have a conspiracy theory about it. I'm not so sure anymore. So we love the word patriot. Okay. We love it. We love to say that we're patriots. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anymore. When I look at the Trump administration, I'm not accusing anybody of anything treasonous. I'm just saying there seems to be a lot of currency these days in destroying things.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the JFK files still being unreleased?
clearly benefits just a tiny percentage of the population. That's not sustainable, etc., etc. Like we need reform badly. We can't keep doing it this way. Well, we've been saying that a long time. I know. And Trump is the first. And again, I don't know if it's going to work. I'm praying that it will, because this country is the last hope of the world.
I really believe that more than ever, having just come back from other countries.
That's why we have to make our kids travel, because everybody thinks America is the worst place in the world until you go somewhere else. Dude, yes.
And the thing that we need to preserve, I'm more convinced.
That's why I'm a little worried about all the bashing of our institutions. Reform? Sure. Do it better? Do it differently? Do it less? Do it more? Whatever it is? Sure. But the idea that... There is no more justice in America. I don't believe that. All the elections are rigged. I don't believe that. You know, we can't function. It's demonstrably false.
So making things better is fine if you have the ideas and the wherewithal to make it happen. But what I'm sensing from this administration is it's all broken, tear it all down. And that's easy to say. Aber ich weiß nicht, ob es gut ist. Es ist eigentlich einfach zu tun.
Es ist einfach, Dinge zu zerstören, viel einfacher als es ist, sie zu bauen. Und man muss sich auf revolutionäre Momente kümmern. Ich meine, sehr wenige verbesserten Dinge. Unsere haben es, glaube ich, in diesem Land 250 Jahre ago. Sehr wenige anderen haben es. Ich kann mich nicht wirklich daran erinnern.
Wir hatten eine oppressive Kraft. Interessant ist, und das ist etwas, was ich sehr aufmerksam bin, um es Ihnen zu erklären. So I get fired and I'm watching the Ukraine war. And it was personally maddening to me because I had not covered a conflict since I got involved in the business. So I'm watching. The whole country is behind Ukraine. When did you get fired? Right there, like 2021.
When did I get fired? So right when the Ukraine war broke out, I was fired and it was a real reinforcer to me about how much I had lost. But anyway, I was much more concerned about what was happening in Ukraine. So everyone's on board. There are blue and yellow ribbons all over my neighborhood. I was not on board at all. Well, the country was. The Republicans were and the Democrats were.
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Chapter 6: How does Tucker Carlson view the Russia-Ukraine conflict?
Chapter 7: What are the debates around transgenderism and DEI in the US?
I totally agree. If you can't even know who killed the president. Transparency is trust. 62 years later, Mike Pompeo was working to keep American citizens from knowing who murdered their president? Who are you working for, Mike Pompeo? And we just had an election. What is that?
And by the way, I just want to say one more time, you cannot convince me, I'm not some world expert of the CIA, but I've certainly watched it closely over the years, It's not the CIA. The CIA? CIA is like a huge federal agency with all kinds of different components and warring tribes within. There's no CIA. Bill Burns... is not like calling Trump and being like, don't release the files. I agree.
Just credit CIA.
But look, the president knows we just had an election where he was hammering on these things. And even with UAPs or UFOs, whatever terminology you want, we couldn't get more information. These things are all over the place. Sure, some are helicopters, some are fixed wing. Okay, not all of them. And they don't know. Of course they know. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the programs.
And then we get all our hopes up. Right? The media loves mocking News Nation about this because they think that, oh, Cuomo thinks they're little green men in the basement of some building. No, I don't. It's about knowing that we spend hundreds of millions of dollars and use special operators to do things that you won't tell us about.
And at a minimum, you should say, well, here's why we won't tell you. So what are they? That's exactly right. But what are they, do you think? I don't know what the fuck they are. The point is that they know and they won't tell us things. And I think it is anathema to democracy.
Of course I agree with everything you're saying, except one specific point, which is I'm not sure they know. They have programmed, they certainly know more than we do. Put it that way. They do. They may know that they don't really know, which is the scariest thing of all. And I've certainly called a lot on this topic. I've stopped talking about it in public.
I've tried to stop thinking about it because it's just one of those things that drives you crazy. But my strong impression is that they don't really know, that there isn't a consensus on this and that they're not from Russia or China.
He campaigned on it. It was supposed to be a no-brainer. And then they put out exactly what the Biden Organization... No, I'm aware of that.
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