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Ned Ryun on Who’s Planning to Sabotage Trump From Within, Is DOGE Too Ambitious, & the FBI’s Future
Wed, 08 Jan 2025
Ned Ryun on who’s planning to sabotage the Trump administration from within. (00:00) Three Things Trump Needs to Fix Before the Left Destroys Our Country (10:46) Will Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy be Confirmed? (30:59) Trump’s Plan to Shatter the Deep State into a Million Pieces (39:10) Will DOGE Succeed? (48:50) The Reality of Watergate (01:01:30) Pardoning the J6 Defendants Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN: Get 3 months free at https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Cozy Earth: Promo code “Tucker” for up to 40% off at https://CozyEarth.com/Tucker PureTalk: Get 50% off first month at https://PureTalk.com/Tucker Ned Ryun is founder and CEO of American Majority. He’s also the author of American Leviathan: The Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are the three things Trump needs to fix?
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We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at Tucker Carlson dot com. Here's the episode. OK, so there are so many Unfolding stories swirling around that give the attentive person anxiety. Anyone who's paying very close attention to what's happening in the world right now is anxious about it. I will say that.
But there is also a lot to look forward to and a lot to be comforted by. Yes. And I just want to go through with you, if we could, since you were right in the middle of this election. Yep. Working on behalf, outside the campaign, but on behalf. Very hard project. Yes. reform and on behalf of the country, really, you know the answers to this question.
What are the things that you're looking forward to over the next four years?
Well, first of all, stop to the madness. I mean, there was no way we were going to last another four years with the insanity that was going on. So we can put a stop to that at least for the moment. I think one of the most exciting things to me is... Can we just pause for one second? I think that's not an overstatement. It's not.
I mean, if that's all... I'm going to be disappointed if that's all we get, but if that's all we get, that's a serious step in the right direction.
So just name three trends that are... Well, I guess Biden's still president, that have been in progress the last four years that we could not sustain for another four years.
Can I start with immigration? Yeah. I mean, this is insane. I mean, we're seeing... What we've seen over the last four years, not only the wide open borders, we don't even really know who's come in. We know there's tens of millions of illegals that have come in, millions of getaways.
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Chapter 2: Will Tulsi Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy be confirmed?
I would hope that every Republican, regardless of where they are on the spectrum, because again, we know that not all Republicans are created equal, that even the Chamber of Commerce Republicans understand over the next four years for their own self-preservation, they should be wholeheartedly behind Donald Trump's deportation efforts.
We start with the hard criminals, we start with those illegals that have criminal records, and we keep right on going. and deporting all of the new Democratic voters that they've imported over the last four years for the sake of self-preservation. If you want to have a two-party system instead of a single-party state, the immigration has to be fixed.
And I would argue to the point of if we do not have, if Donald Trump does not unleash Tom Holman and Stephen Miller to go all the way to actually deport everybody that is needed to be deported, to fix the southern border, It calls into question who we are as a country. I mean, this to me is one of the things that, again...
If you don't have a border, you don't have sovereignty, you don't have citizens, what does it actually mean to be a country? What does it mean to be a citizen? What does it mean to be America? What does it mean to be an American citizen? What does it mean to have a constitution? We're very unique people. We have a very unique way of life.
And with everything that has been taking place in regards to immigration, if it was to have continued for another four years, again, I think all bets are off on who we are as a people, who we are as a country moving forward. So immigration, first thing. Foreign policy, I mean, that to me, what are we even doing on a whole host of fronts in regards to Ukraine?
That whole mess is still going where we're still apparently sending billions of dollars over to Ukraine before they shut the lights out on the Biden White House.
But the foreign policy, again, getting us to the point, and also the weakness that we have demonstrated on the international stage for the last four years, at a certain point, that was going to cause even more serious implications if it was another four years of that. And I don't know where it would have ended.
Obviously, Donald Trump's showing up. Well, Biden announced this week, I mean, as if he hasn't started enough wars. I mean, he started all kinds of wars. I mean, we're in battle with the Houthis right now. Right. But Biden just announced...
um that in the final couple weeks of his administration he's gonna start a war with iran with with lindsey graham's full support um that this this to me is at some point at some point i hope that we can restructure the republican party in the primaries of 2026. that's another topic that would love to discuss with you but yeah at some point donald trump won on an America first message.
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Chapter 3: How does Trump plan to dismantle the Deep State?
He ran at them. And he took incredible pressure, incredible body blows, kept running at them, and in many ways triumphed.
over these people that were trying to destroy him and now he's back in a position of power to be able to implement i think a vision for this country that will begin a restoration this is i don't consider myself a conservative necessarily because what are we actually conserving this to me is one of my great frustrations with the conservative movement writ large
Explain to me again what we've actually been conserving over the last 40, 50, 60 years. I'm more interested, and it's a very reactive term too, conservative.
I'm far more interested in restoration, in being a restorationist, in restoring the republic, in restoring a constitutional republic, in restoring a government of, by, and for the people that actually promotes the interests of the American people, which... Kind of the premise of the American Republic, right?
All power flows from the American people, from the people to their duly elected representatives, who they make the stewards of the power and money given to them, to put together a government that actually promotes and protects the interests of the American people every day on every issue. And we've kind of lost sight of that. And Donald Trump's, the great temerity of Donald Trump back in 2016...
was that he kind of showed up and said, hey, I think a government of, by, and for the people should actually promote the American people and their interests. And that's why I think he was considered such a great threat by permanent D.C., the administrative state, however you want to define it. This, to me, is a moment in time where we have a shot.
where we have an actual shot of restoring the Republic, of restoring a government of, for, and by the people, to the people, to promote the people, to protect their interests.
That to me is one of the most interesting things over the next four years, but it's going to require someone like Donald Trump with this political courage instilling into others political courage to actually do the right things. I'm a little nervous about Mike Johnson as speaker. I have my doubts about John Thune.
But I think if he can actually instill the political courage necessary into Republicans on the Hill, but also into his various nominees, who I think will actually have what it takes to do what they should be doing in the various departments and agencies, we could be in for a singular moment in American history in which we look back and go, this was the turning point where we actually began to restore the Republic.
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Chapter 4: Can DOGE succeed as a cryptocurrency?
So many threads, but before we get to, no, no, I think it's a great overview.
will all of donald trump's nominees be confirmed by the republican senate i feel pretty good about a lot of them i i would not be surprised if pete hegseth gets 52 we'll see much feels that way yeah it feels like he's going to get i'll be a lot more specific they don't like tulsi gabbard they don't like tulsi i think rfk's got some problems um I feel good about Pete. I feel good about Russ Vogt.
I think Russ is going to be one of the most- Russ is great. It's going to be one of the most important. Nobody really talks about OMB outside of DC. I'm telling you, one of the most important vehicles that Donald Trump will be able to use to deconstruct and dismantle the administrative state is OMB. And you got to have somebody like Russ Vogt. Ed Martin's going to be the chief of staff.
Bishop has his deputy. And then I'm hoping he gets Eric Ulanen as deputy director of management. That's a rockstar team at OMB. Marty McCary, FDA. Amazing. Yeah, that would be huge. Paul Atkins at SEC. I feel good about that. So I think a lot of these people are going to... But you can't... I think he's going to get... overwhelming number of them through without too many problems.
I think Tulsi and RFK are going to be question marks, if I'm being honest.
I don't think you can tolerate that. I don't either. Because it's one thing to get like, and I don't want to, you know, I don't want to attack anybody. This hasn't even started. But, you know, there are some nominees who are just like, whatever. They're like everyone. They don't have views that are consistent with what Trump ran on. That's a fact.
And so if the Republican Congress rubber stamps their buddies... whatever. Right. But I'm sorry, they're not in charge of the Republican Party. They're a lot less popular than Donald Trump. And I don't understand if you're, you know, Bobby Kennedy's point was like really important. He's not a perfect person, but we have a system that is killing people and he's a step in the right direction.
Same with Tulsi. Yeah. She's not a perfect person. No one is, but our foreign policy is insane and it's hurting the United States. So like, why wouldn't the White House call over to Republican senators and say, you get in our way, we're going to crush you. How's that sound? I mean it. No, I've proposed this to certain people behind the scenes. Yeah, like, let's go.
We're not going to put up with that.
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Chapter 5: What does Watergate teach us about politics today?
Well, first of all, agent of change. People voted for Donald Trump. Yeah. I mean, this was a very clear election. You get choice A, choice B, very different approaches to government and to the future. There was no real illusion about, like, there's no confusion about what people were voting for. And they voted definitively for Donald Trump.
You know, first Republican to win the popular vote since 2004, first Republican to win 311 electoral votes since 1988, first non-consecutive president since Grover Cleveland. I mean, this is a historical election. He wins. Agent of change. Agent of change gets his change agents. in the various departments and agencies. Well, yeah. And the Senate gets to advise and consent.
They don't get to say, no, we want our buddy or we don't like this person, so we're not going to give you this person. Donald Trump won. Donald Trump won and also, by the way, I would make the argument, help get them the Senate and the House. So you have majorities because of Donald Trump. Donald Trump won. Donald Trump would like these people to actually be in these departments and agencies.
And unless they're a criminal or unless there's some terrible thing in their past that is disqualifying, you get to confirm them.
the story well let's be honest tulsi gabbard and bobby kennedy are opposed by lobbyists that's what opposes them right bobby kennedy is opposed by pharma and ag lobbyists tulsi gabbard is opposed by lobbyists acting on behalf of foreign countries that's a fact yeah so there is no reason that lobbyists should take precedent over the population of the united states
And so why wouldn't you say to a cop, I can think of a cop. Yeah, but then you're acting, so, but D.C.
You've been in D.C. I've been around 25 years.
But where's the cleansing sort of justice where you call up certain senators, I'm not going to name names. You should. And say, not only will we primary you and make certain you lose your Senate seat, we'll make certain you don't get a job after you leave the Senate. And then we're going to unleash some of the toughest people in the Republican Party to take a really close look at you. Yeah.
We're going to do to you what you plan to do to our nominees.
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Chapter 6: What is the reality of pardoning the January 6 defendants?
I think they're using... Like, let's not play.
I'm sick of this. I know.
I think they're trying the carrot approach right now, and I'm...
Well, we need the flaming sword of justice at a certain point.
I'm usually the stick approach first. Yeah. So I'd really like the big stick to come out. Let's see how these hearings begin in really just a couple days, how they start to play out. But I think there needs to be a conversation behind the scenes of, you know, we'd love for you to do the right thing. And if you don't, there are going to be serious consequences.
But imagine— Because most of these elected officials— This is one thing that I've noticed about DC having been there for way too long. They are experts in self-preservation. Yeah. They want to come back. That's what they care about. Right. They want to come back in two years as a member of the House. They want to come back in six years as a member of the Senate.
Let's have a little chit-chat about what your political future looks like if you don't want to actually give me my nominees.
Well, especially on the basis of no good reason, on the basis of like the most corrupt motives, pressure from lobbyists to oppose. And I just want to be clear, it's Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard we're talking about. I think you're absolutely right. And they're going to impugn their characters. This is how DC has operated for way too long. Tulsi Gabbard has never had a sip of alcohol in her life.
You're going to call her a bad person. Really? The corporation, the corporate lobbyists and all of these various interests have way too much say in how a senator actually or congressman actually operates instead of the people that actually voted them into office.
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Chapter 7: How is the administrative state threatening America?
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Yes, and both have put their prestige on the line. Yep. So they're highly motivated to show results by July 4th, 2026.
But I don't want cheap victories. I don't want them to go, we've cut, I mean, first of all, it'd be great if they cut X number of dollars of spending and cut X, you know, hundreds or thousands of regulations. Wonderful, wonderful victories. Again, those are the effects. The cause is the state.
All of this stuff that we've seen, the out-of-control spending, the out-of-control growth of government, all of these things are because of the administrative state. It's in the DNA of it. No, I mean, the progressives who founded the administrative state viewed the state as salvation. Salvation was to come into every aspect of your life.
It exists for its own benefit and it grows.
But it's in the DNA. The DNA of the administrative state is perpetual growth. So if it continues to grow and you're just trimming right here and like, oh, we declared victory, it'll continue, it'll grow right back. You have to cut down the tree. The branches will keep growing. So I don't want them to just trim branches.
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Chapter 8: What political changes can we expect in 2024?
I mean, when you go back and look at the story of Watergate, Richard Nixon had just won $500 million. 520 electoral votes. Biggest victory in American history. 49 states, won by 20 million votes in the popular vote. It was massive. And he talked very clearly about what he intended to do in the second term in restructuring and dismantling administrative state.
And then, lo and behold, Watergate happens, and there's a lot of questions about what actually went down.
Not questions or answers. The deputy director of the FBI was deep-throated.
Yeah, Mark Feld goes to his corporate propagandists, Woodward and Bernstein. And Woodward was a former naval intel officer. And uses them as the mouthpiece to then take out the duly elected president of the United States, who was an existential threat to the administrative state. Flip side of the coins, Russiagate. Same thing.
Because the first Republican president since Reagan to reject the premise that the administrative state is legitimate was Donald Trump. George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush were like... We're okay with it as long as we get to run it. And this is what always worries me a little bit about Republicans who are like, well, it's okay as long as we're running it.
No, it's a poisonous tree with poisonous fruit. You cannot reform it.
Richard Nixon should have held – I mean, he was an institutionalist in a lot of ways. Nixon, he was like too responsible for his own good. But if he had just held a primetime news conference live – and said, let me tell you what's actually going on here.
CIA and FBI have colluded to kick me out because I'm a threat to permanent Washington institutional power, and that's just a fact, and here are some details that you might like to know, you know, that five out of six of the Watergate burglars were actually CIA employees. Yeah, exactly. And the guy, this reporter from the Washington Post, is actually... worked in the White House.
He was sent over by the Pentagon to work in the White House as a naval intel officer two years ago. This guy's not a reporter. Bob Woodward's not a reporter. It's also fake.
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