The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Mon, 03 Mar 2025
South Africa is what happens when you take DEI seriously, which is why the western media pretend it’s not happening. Ernst Roets on what’s going on there right now. (00:00) South Africa Is Falling Apart (04:03) The True Story of Nelson Mandela (08:50) Perfect Example of the Failures of Communism (12:34) The Killing of Whites in South Africa (25:01) The West’s Role in the Destruction of South Africa (29:02) The Origins of the Afrikaner People (37:40) Europe’s Propaganda War and Concentration Camps Paid partnerships with: Heritage Foundation: https://Heritage.org/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the current state of South Africa post-apartheid?
So I think for most Americans, news about South Africa ended in 1994. Both literally, we stopped getting a lot of news from the country, but also people's views about it stopped evolving then. That was the year that... The apartheid ended, I guess, officially. You had elections. Nelson Mandela, still a hero in the United States, often referred to by politicians.
And it's only been, I think, in American media in the past couple of months that stories have come out of South Africa that a lot of Americans have read that actually the country seems to be falling apart and that the government is kind of genocidally racist. Yeah. And then President Trump in the past month has basically said the same thing.
And it's shocking to a lot of people, I think, how bad it is and just how racist it is, far more than apartheid ever was. And so I'm wondering, since you've just landed from South Africa, you live there, describe the state of the country right now, if you would.
Yeah, well, perhaps I can start with your reference about the 90s, because it's absolutely true. South Africa and America was very involved with the setting up of the political system that we have in South Africa during the 90s. And it was, of course, the end of history era. Everyone is excited about...
the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the whole world's going to be liberal and democratic, including African countries.
And Samuel Huntington actually cautioned against this in 1996, saying, you know, when he wrote The Clash of Civilizations, and he said, don't expect of African leaders and African liberation movements to suddenly become Western when you give them Western constitutions, because they are still African.
So they will use, it's the democratic paradox, they will use democratic institutions to promote non-democratic ends, right? And that's what we see in South Africa. We have a parliament. We have a very liberal constitution. But if you read the constitution and you compare that to reality in South Africa, it's two completely different worlds.
The de facto and the de jure reality in South Africa is irreconcilable. And so what has been happening in South Africa is, firstly, there was this major excitement about the new South African Elsa Mandela, the miracle story. Oprah spoke about this and Charlize Theron and everyone. Of course, yes. But the reality on ground level was in many ways the opposite.
From the beginning?
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Chapter 2: Why is Nelson Mandela's legacy controversial?
Yeah, well, I can guarantee... Tell me how I'm wrong. No. Well, I can guarantee you that when I get back home, I'm going to be in a lot of trouble for this interview.
I don't know why, though. I mean, like, what's the counter argument? I don't really get it. Like, what is the counter argument? There's only one group on the entire face of the planet that doesn't have the right that every other group has? Like, tell me how. It's... It's really bizarre. Maybe there's a good answer. I'm waiting for it. No, well, we don't know what the answer is.
So there is no answer. And so because there is no answer, the way that uniformity is maintained is just through threats. Like, shut up. You're a bad person for saying that. You're a Nazi. It's like, no, no, no. I hate the Nazis. I'm going to speak for myself. I hate the Nazis. I hate the idea that people are attacked for something they can't control, like how they're born, their genetics.
I just don't believe in that. I never will. I'm a Christian. I don't believe in it. So you can call me whatever you want. I'm actually making the opposite case. And I haven't done anything to be ashamed of. And if defending the right of people not to be murdered because of how they were born is a crime, then I'll plead to it.
But I actually think that the only thing that people currently in charge of most of the world, certainly of the West, are good at is seizing the moral high ground.
Mm-hmm.
And they don't deserve it. They haven't earned it. They're rotten. Their ideas are rotten. And they don't deserve to lecture the rest of us about our moral inferiority while they're endorsing the murder of people for how they were born. Sorry. It's a house of cards. What is a house of cards? That's exactly right.
Yeah, it's built and it's a very shining house of cards and it's very proud of its accomplishments, but it's not sustainable. So South Africa has been a victim of Western imperialism in many ways, ideologically currently, ideological imperialism, but also… And this is interesting. The ANC that's governing South Africa today was founded just after the unionization of South Africa in 1910.
And they said that this was one of the major triggers that sparked us to start this movement. And the unionization was after the Boer War, before the union. South Africa was a variety of different republics and colonies governing themselves. And unionization effectively meant that all of these different subsidiary authorities were combined into one big South Africa.
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