Ernst Roets
Appearances
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the whole world's going to be liberal and democratic, including African countries.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, well... I can tell you so many stories about this. For example, I was on your show a few years ago to talk about the farm murders and the extent to which we were attacked by American media as a result of that. I had someone from CNN come see me in my office in Pretoria. and to interview me about farm attacks. And the entire interview was about you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So he would put things to me and say, did you know Tucker Carlson said the following? Do you agree with this statement? And did you know that Donald Trump said this? And are you comfortable with this? And so I paused him at one stage and I said, what are we doing? I thought we had to talk about farm murders and what's happening in South Africa.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But the only, so the argument was that because Trump made that comment about farm murders in 2018, It has to be a non-existing issue because Trump is a liar and everything he says is false. And the same with you, because you spoke about it, that means that the problem doesn't exist. And we have to prove that it doesn't exist in order to get to you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And Samuel Huntington actually cautioned against this in 1996, saying, you know, when he wrote The Clash of Civilizations, and he said, don't expect of African leaders and African liberation movements to suddenly become Western when you give them Western constitutions, because they are still African.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, it's no, you're not getting killed, and if you are, you deserve it. Right. Because of a variety of things, because the attackers are poor, or because remember all the horrible things that white people have done in South Africa and outside of South Africa. So there's always a justification. And so another example...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Just in 2018, again, after you spoke about this and after Trump spoke about this, the president of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa, came to America and he spoke at an event in New York. And he said there are no killings of farmers in South Africa. And he just flat out denied the existence of the problem. And he said this on an international platform. He said it's not happening. It's not true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And the worst of it all was how the media knew this was wrong, especially mainstream media in South Africa. They knew that it's not true. And so they immediately rushed to his defense, writing articles like, this is what he actually meant to say. And then they sort of justify what's happening.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And so we really do sometimes feel that our biggest battle is not primarily against what the government is doing, but against how the media is reporting.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, the explanation that is used in court cases, so by the way, this kill the boer chant was found in court not to be hate speech, according to South African law. It's not hate speech.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So they will use, it's the democratic paradox, they will use democratic institutions to promote non-democratic ends, right? And that's what we see in South Africa. We have a parliament. We have a very liberal constitution. But if you read the constitution and you compare that to reality in South Africa, it's two completely different worlds.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, maybe that's it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So the arguments that that is used or are used to defend this type of rhetoric would always be something like you need to see it in context. You need to remember the apartheid system. You need to remember what these people went through. They deserve to be killed. You need to remember that. Yeah, that's well. So the argument is that they're actually commemorating the historic struggle.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And that's why they are still chanting this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, but the motive is also explained in the words. So they're trying to defend the words. It's a famous story of Chamberlain and Churchill. You know, when Chamberlain came back from meeting Hitler and he said, no, well, I met him and, you know, I think we're going to find peace. And then Churchill said, no, well, I read what he said and I believed him.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And so you can just read what they're saying. If you read the policy documents of the ruling party, they say they want to convert South Africa into a communist society. They want to have a revolution in South Africa. And if you listen to the more radical parties to the left of them, they openly chant about killing white people. So they say these things out loud.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And now they are obviously more to the fringe. You find the more extreme rhetoric in South Africa, but... But it's very alarming and how people just rush to their defense all the time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
The de facto and the de jure reality in South Africa is irreconcilable. And so what has been happening in South Africa is, firstly, there was this major excitement about the new South African Elsa Mandela, the miracle story. Oprah spoke about this and Charlize Theron and everyone. Of course, yes. But the reality on ground level was in many ways the opposite.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And this brings us back to the 90s. So during the 90s, it was again after the Cold War and the world and especially the West was high on ideology and this idea that, you know, the world will become liberal and everyone's going to become like us. And everyone in the world is just an American waiting to be liberated.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And we just need to go and liberate them from their own traditional beliefs and so forth. And so it really is the case that America and many Western countries played a very significant role in creating the South Africa that we have today.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And so we don't want other people to fix our problems on our behalf. We want to solve our own problems. But you can certainly make the case that the West has a moral responsibility towards the people in South Africa. Of course.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, and so there's this false dichotomy in South Africa or with regard to South Africa that if you are against what's happening in South Africa now, that means you want the apartheid system. So you have a choice. And this one former judge recently said this, who's retired. He said that we have a choice in South Africa between…
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
a moral system that is dysfunctional which is the current system or an immoral system that is a functional one which is the former system and so the problem is if you criticize what's happening in south africa now you get accused of wanting to return to the apartheid system but the truth is you can reject both you can say we don't want the apartheid system and we don't want what's happening in south africa at the moment we we want to govern ourselves we want freedom
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But it seems that a lot of people are incapable of making that conclusion or leaving any room for saying that both these systems are wrong and we need a better system, a system that is much more decentralized, a system in which the various nations who live in South Africa, because South Africa is very big, it's almost as big as Europe, the various nations living in South Africa should just govern themselves.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Gradually. So they started, for example, with these BEE, as they call it. It's Black Economic Empowerment, which of course has nothing to do with economic empowerment. They started with that in 1996. And so they actually said initially in the 90s that that's the ruling party's strategy. They still call it that, the National Democratic Revolution strategy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And that's not what's happening in South Africa. And I think it's a worthy cause to pursue.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, the Khoi and the San, as they are also called. Thank you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So just, can I tell you a story from our history? I hope you will. Yes. Some people call it the origin story of the Afrikaner people. And it explains a lot about who we are today. So we were settled in the Cape, the Proto-Africaners, who were still the Dutch, the French, and the Germans. We were then colonized the Cape in, I think, 1810 by the British. It was during the Napoleonic Wars.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
1652. Yeah, that's 150 years before the Declaration of Independence or something like that. Wow. A long time ago. Yeah, so my great-great-great-grandfather, Nikolaus Roots, who was the first Roots who came to South Africa, came more or less the time when George Washington was a teenager. So he was eight years older than George Washington.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So my family has been in Africa since, you could say, since George Washington, since the time of George Washington. Since before the United States was a country. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
No. No, no. I don't really want one. And do most Afrikaners have other passports? No, most don't. But this goes to the story I want to tell you. So we were colonized by the British. And you can call them the proto-Afrikaners then said, you know, we don't want to be governed by anyone else. We want to govern ourselves. And so they opted to move into the interior of South Africa.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
which was called the Great Track. And they didn't know what they would expect. They said they reject slavery. They want to foster good relations with local tribes, which they did. There were many treaties signed and agreements and so forth. And they did not hold slaves. There was slavery in the Cape Colony before that. But when the Great Track, that was around the time of the abolition of slavery.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
which is about using democracy to promote socialist ends. And so the revolution, they say, goes in two phases. The first phase is present yourself as being liberal and democratic and get support, especially international support and local, and then use multi-party democracy as a way of of promoting the goals of taking the country down the road to socialism.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And they also rejected slavery. They explicitly said so. Yes. So they then went into the interior, and the leader of the Great Track was a guy called Pitratif, who went to negotiate with the Zulu king, Dangan. And so he said, what can we do to buy land from you for our people to live? The agreement was they had to return cattle that was stolen by another tribe with a king called Sikonjela.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So they went, they retrieved the cattle, they brought it to the Zulu King. The Zulu King Dungan, King Dungan said to them that we have to celebrate, so leave your weapons outside the lager, come inside and we'll have a celebration. During the celebration, at one stage, he chanted , which means kill the wizards.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So they took Retief and his commando, his group, to a nearby hill, and they slaughtered him. They slaughtered him last because they wanted him to see, they wanted to make sure that he sees his people and his son murdered. A few months later, before, so after that, they went on an extermination mission. They killed women and children in the lagers and so forth. A few months later.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yes, correct, yes. And so a few months later, his body was found with the treaty on which the Zulu king signed, giving them some land. So they then initiated a punishment commando, a group of 300 to 400 men. to counterattack the Zulus, which eventually led to the Battle of Blood River, one of the most significant battles in our history, where they found themselves completely surrounded.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
They were about, let's say, 400. But 400 Boers. Yes. Surrounded by 12,000 Zulus. And so they had this wagon. And my great-great-great-great-grandfather was in that lager, and he was the religious leader. His name is Sarel Saliha. So Saros Elias- And what was their religion? Christian. Dutch Reformed? Dutch Reformed, yes. So he said to them, listen, we need to make a vow to God.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And so he wrote a vow, which they all made. And the vow said that we're standing here in front of the God in heaven and earth, to make a vow to him that if he protects us in the battle that lies ahead, we will commemorate this day in the years to come as a day of thanksgiving and a Sabbath.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And we will also tell our children this story and we will build a church and we will make sure that the honor of the victory goes to God and not to us. So they made this vow and the battle took place. And the result was that not one of the Afrikaners were killed. 3,000 Zulus died in that battle. Not one was killed? Yes. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And so the reason why I'm telling this story is not to point to the Zulu people. We have good relations with the Zulu and we've worked with them. This was, of course, the one major battle, but we've had good relations with them over the years. But it says something about, firstly, why the Afrikaner people are so patriotic.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It says something about why we are so attached to African soil and why we are still religious. We're a very religious community. We have some problems in terms of belief and so forth. But broadly speaking, the Afrikaners are, compared to Europe and compared to some parts of America, still a very religious people.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And it also says something about why we are so attached to the country and why we don't want to leave. We want to stay there because our ancestors have been there for hundreds of years. And we fought and died for our space there. And we've gotten used to it to a certain extent. What's the only country that you have, isn't it? Exactly. We don't have any other country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
We can't go back to England anymore. We're not Dutch anymore. There's a slogan in South Africa that says, go back to Holland. But, I mean, I've been to Holland. I've been to Amsterdam. It's a beautiful city, but I don't feel like I'm at home when I go there. It's a beautiful foreign city that I'm attending. We became a people in Africa, which is why we are called the Afrikaners.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And so recently they even went as far as publishing a document saying, we are now ready for the second phase of the revolution. We now have power. We have control of the state. We now need to use this to become much more aggressive in our socialist policies. And we're seeing this in a plethora of new laws all of a sudden in South Africa.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
We named ourselves after the continent, and our language, Afrikaans, is named after the continent.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, well, who came from the north of Africa, yes, from where Cameroon is and so forth, who came down firstly towards the east of Africa and then along the Great Lakes, eventually ending in South Africa, yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, absolutely. So on my mother's side, I descend from the British. My great-grandfather fought in the First World War for the British. And so in many ways, culturally, we've become very close to the British because of the influence over the years. And I don't think there's friction today between the Afrikaners and the British, but it certainly is the case.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I mean, the concentration camps were horrible. I recently read the Gulag Archipelago and Solzhenitsyn writes in there that the first concentration camps were... were invented by the Soviets, but that's actually wrong. The first concentration camps that we know of, at least this type of concentration camps, were during the Anglo-Boer War, where about 30,000 women and children died.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But there was a lot of... The great thing about the Anglo-Boer War was that it was in many ways a first... for the world. It was, some people call it the first international propaganda war because it was in a time when newspapers became popular. So there was this propaganda war in Europe with regard to the Boers or the Boer War with a lot of people saying the Boers are Boerish.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
That's where the word comes from. Evidently, if someone told me that's where the word Boerish comes from, it's to be sort of, you know, very old style and not very sophisticated. Rough, yeah. Yeah, rough around the edges. And so there was a lot of propaganda like the Boers being compared to wild hogs and things like that. But that's okay.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
The word Boer was actually used for a long time as an insult, almost like Jew, like calling someone a Jew. It's like, oh, you're a Boer, a typical Boer. But I mean, we're very proud of that word. It's something that we take pride in. Yeah. It's in many ways, there's some debate about the difference between Boer and Afrikaner, but it's broadly speaking synonymous.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
which I think it's gotten to the point where it's just not possible to maintain the view that people have had of South Africa for the last few decades and look at what's currently happening in South Africa. It's two completely different worlds. And hopefully, or happily at least, a lot of people are starting to wake up to this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But I mean, we're very proud of our history in South Africa, and we've become a very sophisticated community with an immense treasure chest of literature, of poetry, of philosophy, all of it in our own language that we did over the last, especially the last hundred years, which of course is under threat now.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
No, it descends from Dutch. Yes. And so if you spend some time as an Afrikaans person with some Dutch friends, eventually you start to follow, but it's not Dutch anymore. There's been influences by other languages and so forth. So there are people who speak it all over the world, but that's only because people who have left from, so many people have left from South Africa.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Some estimates say it's about a million people, white people who have left South Africa over the last few decades. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So it's more or less about 5 million who are left. The Afrikaner community is about 2.7 million. And the total population is about 60, just over 60 million.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So Jan Smuts, the famous Boer general who worked with Churchill also famously said that South Africa is a country where the best never happens and the worst never happens. And so we sort of believe that and we hope that the worst outcome is an unrealistic outcome. We do know that the most important thing that we need to do now is to be very well organized in terms of our own communities.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
to be very well connected to each other. You know, there's this whole debate about the individual and the community in philosophy. And we've realized that if you're just an individual, you are completely helpless. If you're not part of a community, if you're not given meaning by the community of which you are a member, you're completely helpless against the Leviathan, the state.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So we need to be well-organized. We need to be armed. We need to have well-functioning communities who look after each other, look after the poor, do all the things that the government's supposed to be doing, but also look after our safety. So we drive patrols at night. We're involved with... Tens of thousands of volunteers involved with patrols looking after our own safety and so forth.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But I think the bigger question here is the future of South Africa. And this is a controversial thing to say, but it's so obvious that it's not sustainable. It's not going to work and it's just getting worse. So the only possible solution is not simply to say we need a different party in power because the underlying foundations is problematic.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
The only possible solution is to move toward a system with subsidiary authorities, which could imply something like a republic for the Afrikaner people. It could imply a kingdom for the Zulu people. It could imply different types of authority depending on the community. But South Africa is a country made up of a long list of minorities.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Unless, if you look at it from a racial perspective, you can say there's a black minority, a black majority. But the black majority also consists of a variety, as you mentioned, a variety of nations and tribes and so forth. Plus massive immigration into your country. Yeah, yeah. It's a very serious problem. Yeah, we virtually don't have borders in South Africa.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, xenophobic violence. Every now and then there's this upsurge in violence against foreigners. So they get accused. What typically happens is people come in from the north or the north of South Africa, like Malawi, Zimbabwe and so forth, Zambia and so forth. And then they work and they accept jobs for lower wages. And a lot of them work really hard.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So that leads to friction because there's very high unemployment in South Africa already. And so it leads to friction among the local communities. And then every now and then we have this upsurge in very, very brutal xenophobic violence. So yes, the border is virtually non-existent, the border to the north of South Africa.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, it's interesting that you know this. Yes. So there's a section in the South African Constitution, Section 235, that provides for self-determination for communities. Now, there's some ambiguity in terms of how to interpret that section, but there is some constitutional provision for that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And so during the 90s, the negotiations for a new South Africa, the more conservative groups who were white and black, who were arguing for self-determination were made fun of by the ruling party at the time, the National Party and the ANC, of course, and also some Westerners. This is just backwards. This idea of governing yourself is somehow an old ancient thing that we should move away from.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And part of the problem, part of the reason why they were made fun of is the question is, how do you do that practically? And the only way to practically do that is to have areas where people live concentrated, where people form a de facto majority.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And there are such areas like, for example, when you talk about the Zulus and so forth, the Afrikaner people are pretty much dispersed, although there are some areas where we live more concentrated. Right. But there's, for example, there are some initiatives to get Afrikaners to move closer together.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And I think that's a solution that we need to really focus on is getting the Afrikaners to move closer together. So they're clustered in Pretoria was my understanding. The majority, yes. Pretoria and then the Western Cape and the south of the country. And then there's this Orania initiative in the Northern Cape. So tell us about that. What is Orania? So Orania is a cultural community.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It's an Afrikaner cultural community. It's fairly small. It's about 3000 people, but it's growing rapidly. It's growing by about 12 to 15% per year. And the idea is it's a culture, it's privately owned. It's a community where the Africana culture can survive and flourish. And it has been growing at quite a pace, even though it's from a small base.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But the idea is to say this is an area where we are the majority and we make our own decisions. We make our own laws. We govern ourselves. We make our own decisions in terms of what happens with our tax money, what happens with our streets, what type of monuments.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, literally, so I have children and they are taught in schools and the government prescribes what children should learn in history. And so the official version is he went to prison because he was a good leader and the government didn't like that. I should say that he certainly was the best that the ANC has ever had to offer.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, it's bizarre the extent to which urania has been attacked, especially in the international media. So I spoke with a friend in Europe recently who said to me, I've only read negative things about urania, but that's why I like it. Because I know who's writing it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
You know what I mean? Yeah. So in South Africa, there are many cultural communities like Zulu communities. Let's say there are many black cultural communities. And when they are reported on by the media, they would say this Zulu cultural community, so-and-so, or this Xhosa cultural community is doing this. But when it's Orania, they say it's a whites-only enclave.
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That's the term they use, even though it's a cultural community.
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What is that? I think it's underpinned by oikophobia, this idea of just hating your own people and wanting your own people to.
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I honestly think it's underpinned by an enormous sense of guilt within Western society or the Western world, not knowing how to make sense of the Second World War. And being influenced over decades and centuries by enlightened philosophy that talks about how you are the problem and how you should have a sense of guilt for who you are. And the idea that community and identity is a bad thing.
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But it's not a bad thing if it's someone else.
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But the reason why he went to prison is because they started Mkonto Isiswe, which was the military wing of the ANC. which became involved with military actions in South Africa with an attempt to overthrow the government. And they actually, and this is, I'm quoting from the ANC's own policy documents that's on their own website.
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I think some part of this oikophobia – I honestly think enlightenment philosophy has played a big role in this. I think the influence of ideas about power structures and all this stuff that's coming from America. It used to come from Europe.
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I don't understand at all, actually. I think, so, Alasdair MacIntyre has a, has a, an explanation of how to make sense of what, how, how we, how we derailed in trying to make sense of the second world war. I mean, obviously, you know, Hitler was evil and all of that.
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I mean, no one disagrees with that, obviously, but so, so the wrong lesson from the second world war is that nationalism is evil or a sense of pride in your identity is evil. And there are a lot of people who would really like us to believe this, that we need to abolish communal identities. Um, McIntyre's line only when they're white, Yes, yes. Yeah, of course.
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And what went wrong with the Second World War was that Hitler was trying to pursue this good at the expense of all other goods. He was detaching this one thing from everything else. And you cannot do that without committing evil and inflicting evil. And so I think it's a bizarre situation where we are in currently.
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Yeah, of course. Well, so in South Africa, and this is part of the bizarre part of it, is the ruling party in South Africa, they would write in their own policy documents. They say our ideology is a blend of race, nationalism, and socialism. That's literally what Nazi means. Now, I'm not saying they're Nazis, but in some sense, they're calling themselves Nazis.
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If they say we promote a combination of race, nationalism and socialism.
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So they had this operation when they started, which was used in the Rivonia trial against Nelson Mandela. It was a strategy called Operation Mayibuyeh. And the slogan of this operation was, shamelessly we shall attack the weak and shamelessly we shall flee from the strong. So those were the circumstances in the 1960s.
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I think one part of it is something that you've said before, which is affluence. People in the Western world have become very affluent, and unfortunately, as a result of that –
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very self-centered and in many ways they've become disconnected from their communities disconnected from from their traditions there's no doubt about that but i mean i would you know just spend a lot of time in the in the gulf um in the persian gulf
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I'd like to believe... And I hope that I'm right, that it's a minority within the Western world that really believes this stuff. I think. But they have significant power and influence. Boy, do they. They are the editors of newspapers. They are the prime ministers. They are professors at universities and so forth. And those are the people who's promoting this type of idea.
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When I think most hardworking, ordinary people don't fall for this.
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Do you feel that? Yeah. Yes. So I don't know how much of what is in his biography by Isaacson is true, but it does seem from his biography that he's had some bad experiences growing up in South Africa, which is unfortunate. And we were, we're still not sure quite how attached he still is to South Africa as a country, but looking at his ex and his comments, it's very clear that he's interested.
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And the strange thing is, even though some people are very angry with him for speaking about South Africa, the only thing that he's really doing is he's picking up a mirror and he's saying, look at what's happening in South Africa. And he's retweeting videos from rallies in South Africa. Exactly. He's literally just saying to people, look at this stuff that's happening in South Africa.
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Well, a lot of people, I think, I can speak for a lot of people in saying that we're really, really grateful for what Elon Musk is doing to shed light on what is happening in South Africa.
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So that was the – it was an attempt at an armed uprising. Now, we can talk about everything that was wrong with the previous political system in South Africa. There was a lot wrong. But it's simply not the case that he went to prison for being a good leader.
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Jan Smits was also very big, who became this Boer general who was an advisor to Churchill.
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Yeah, it's, it's crazy. It really is. And, and I have to say the last few months has been quite a ride in terms of what we, you know, the, the executive order signed by president Trump and statements coming from the U S to tell us about that executive order, if you don't mind. So the executive order is a very strong reprimanding of what the South African government is doing.
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It says that the South African government is, or as Trump said, is treating certain sections of society very badly. Sorry, that's the Trumpiest thing ever said. And the U.S. will not stand for this. And so it boils down to sanctions in an important way. Which is not, on one part of it says that they will grant refugee status to Afrikaners if they want to go to the US.
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Which I don't think, in all fairness, we're really grateful for the public stance taken by the US. And in a certain sense, they haven't gone far enough. But in a certain sense, I don't think the granting of refugee status is much of a solution. Some people will take that up. But that's why I told you the story of the Battle of Blood River and the vow.
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We are culturally very, very attached to South Africa.
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I think I'm ninth generation.
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Yeah.
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So I think what a better response from the U.S. could be is to take a firm stance against what is happening in terms of what the South African government is doing, but then to say how can the U.S. support minority groups in South Africa who are really working for some form of self-determination. I think America –
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should recognize that it does have part in the problem in terms of what happened historically.
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Yes. And therefore, it's reasonable and I think it's fair. And I'm hesitant to say this because I'm not an American, but I think it's reasonable to say that America has some form of a moral responsibility, not to fix South Africa, but at least to try to rework this mess that has been created because it was involved in creating this mess.
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Yeah. And the solution, I would say the most sustainable solution is to help such communities to govern themselves, to have self-determination. And it's not only, obviously, it would be in our interest, but I think it's also in the interest of the West and of America.
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Yeah, this narrative has become this massive stream that is turned into rapids on a river that just pulls everyone along. And this narrative just says if you're white, then there's inherently something wrong with you.
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So in 1985, the ANC had a conference in Kabwe in Zambia, and they took a formal decision. that in their so-called military operations, they would not differentiate between hard and soft targets. So it was officially a policy that says we can kill innocent people. And a lot of innocent people died in the political violence in the run-up to 1994.
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Yeah, well, I can guarantee... Tell me how I'm wrong. No. Well, I can guarantee you that when I get back home, I'm going to be in a lot of trouble for this interview.
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Yeah, it's built and it's a very shining house of cards and it's very proud of its accomplishments, but it's not sustainable. So South Africa has been a victim of Western imperialism in many ways, ideologically currently, ideological imperialism, but also… And this is interesting. The ANC that's governing South Africa today was founded just after the unionization of South Africa in 1910.
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And they said that this was one of the major triggers that sparked us to start this movement. And the unionization was after the Boer War, before the union. South Africa was a variety of different republics and colonies governing themselves. And unionization effectively meant that all of these different subsidiary authorities were combined into one big South Africa.
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As we know it today, the borders of South Africa were actually drawn pretty much by the British in 1910. And the ANC were vehemently opposed.
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You see this when you have these completely straight borders. You know, that's artificial. And so the borders we have for South Africa today was a product of Western imperialism. And now those in power would very much like to maintain these borders because they have control. And so if we are truly anti-colonialism and anti-imperialist, we should return to a position where people govern themselves.
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And 90% of the people who died were black South Africans.
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And we have to ask them nicely to make certain concessions.
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Well, I think the plan is to firstly to be well-organized communities, to have a very strong sense of community, a sense of pride in who we are, to remain Christian and have a strong faith, strong family ties and so forth. That's where it starts. And then other than that, the second step, you might say, the plan is to… to just create certain realities on ground level.
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It was... But non-combatants, women, children. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So it's one thing to say, you know, we want more authority or more self-determination, but you have to, in a sense, create that so that what you have created can be recognized. There's no point in saying, well, you guys can have your own place, but that place doesn't exist. So I think what the Afrikaner people need to do is, to a large extent, build their own self-determination.
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And I think that's what we intend to do But it would help a lot if we can get recognition for this pursuit as a legitimate pursuit.
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No. So you mentioned electricity. In Johannesburg, the mayor just a few days ago announced that people should just wait seven days and then they will have water. So it's not just an electricity problem. There's a water problem. There's a water problem. You're going to have a food problem at some point. Well, if the farmers are targeted, yes. So there are many reasons why...
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It's not working and why it won't work. And well, everything you can think of points to that direction. One is just the data. As I said, like you can look at the levels of how crime is increasing, how unemployment is increasing, how government service delivery is increasingly failing, everything, everything. I honestly, how health is deteriorating, everything except tax collection.
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That's one aspect of it. Another aspect of it is just the extent to which people in South Africa are turning their back on politics. There's this political vacuum in South Africa, and you can see it, for example, with the extent to which people have stopped voting, how voters' turnout has dropped significantly in elections. People just don't interest it. They vote reluctantly, those who do.
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So that's one aspect. Interesting. Why do you think that? Because they feel hopeless? Because they feel the political establishment is completely disconnected. It doesn't resonate with them. People vote for parties even though they don't really like them, but they think this is of all the parties, I don't like any of them, but this one is the least bad, so I'll vote for that one.
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So there's a complete disconnect between the politicians or the political elite in South Africa, even the opposition parties and the people. And so there's this political vacuum that has developed. And this vacuum is filled, as my friend Aaron Stansel in South Africa says, either by the good guys or the bad guys. It's filled by the bad guys in terms of organized crime.
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So we have these mafias and gangs coming to the fore with significant power to such an extent that the government is afraid of them.
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Yeah, well, yeah, I think it is.
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It's incredible. So we have a construction mafia, for example. If you build a shopping center, the construction mafia turns up and they tell you, you need to employ our people or else we're going to sabotage your building and stuff like that. And it's a regular thing. And you can't fight them. No, you can't. You can't fight them.
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But the vacuum can be filled by the good guys, and that's well-organized communities who take control of what is important to them. And so the future is very, and that's what analysts and scenario analysts and so forth have been saying, that the future is one of deterioration, where you will have communities who will be much worse off than they are today because of the bad guys filling the void.
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And you might have flourishing communities because of good guys filling the void. And so that's another reason. But I think the most important fundamental underlying reason why it's not sustainable is it's a political system that is detached from the reality in South Africa. The reality is the distance from Cape Town, the south to the north of South Africa is the distance from Rome to London.
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So it's a big country.
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uh number one but it's not homogenous by any means it's very diverse yes 11 official languages right it's not just just to restate it's not just black and white at all no no no no no it's certainly not there's this indian community there's what we call colored community in south africa and there are various different tribes you could say or cultural communities within among black south africans and among white south africans
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So it's very diverse, different languages, different cultures. And now we have this political system that just says you have individual rights. And in some ways, the constitution, even though it was very much celebrated when it was adopted, it was called the best constitution in the world and the most liberal, most democratic and so forth. It guarantees everything, but you get nothing.
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Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. So we have what they call third generation rights, first, second and third. It's a very vast network of rights that you have in theory. But then the question is, so there's this idea that the highest authority is the constitution, but it's not possible for a written document to have the highest authority.
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Yes. So let me firstly say that I have a lot of respect for Nelson Mandela. I think in terms of his efforts and as I say, I think he's the best the ANC has ever had to offer. Winnie Mandela, his wife, not so much. So she famously, I mean, she's been involved with a lot of things, including what was called the Mandela Football Club, which was a gang that was involved with violence.
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The highest authority is with the person who gets to interpret it.
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So for example, section 25 of the constitution in South Africa, which the government is trying to change, it's a private property rights clause. They want to change it. But currently it says the government can expropriate your property if it's in the public interest. Now, if you ask me as a Westerner, when is it in public interest to expropriate property?
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It would be something like they have to build a big highway or maybe there's a military emergency or something like that. If you ask a judge who is founded in this ideology we've just spoken of, they would say it's in the public interest for white people not to own land. So it's a question of interpretation. You can have a wonderful document, but it boils down to how do you interpret it?
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And that's why I'm saying it's not compatible with realities on ground level. And there have been many law fairs in South Africa, many, many, many. South Africa is a very good example of political court cases. And we've won many and we've lost many. But it's a ship that is sinking.
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So they have been trying to change the South African constitution, the property rights clause, to empower the government to expropriate private property without compensation. That's the buzzword. Just steal the land. Yeah, they call it EWC. It's expropriation without compensation, but it's confiscation of property. That's what it is.
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No, exactly. It's just shoplifting. It's flabbergasting to see the extent to which, again, academics and analysts and journalists are rushing to the defense of the South African government. In South Africa? Yes. So here's one of the many bizarre things that they would say. They would say, this is all a lie. You guys are lying. It's not expropriation without compensation.
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It's expropriation with compensation, but compensation can be nil. So it can be zero compensation.
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And so the president has just signed the expropriation bill in South Africa, which is now... He signed it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's still an attempt to change the constitution and there's now a new bill in process.
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It was just announced, I think a week ago, that they want to pass through parliament that says that 80% of... That's what it boils down to, that 80% of land or property in South Africa must be owned by black people. So because it says it must be racially representative. And so I want to tell you a quick story about this because it sort of highlights the ideology.
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I was at a land summit in South Africa and a spokesperson for the Department of Land Reform spoke. And it was very clear from his speech that the problem is white people owning land. It was a racial thing. It was very clear. But it's colored with words like restitution and correcting historic injustices and so forth. And so I asked him at this summit, I said, so here's an example.
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And what would the government's position be on this? The example is... A white guy owns a farm. The government takes it from him to correct historic injustices. And they give it to a black guy. And it's a black farmer. And maybe a year or two down the line, this black farmer decides he doesn't want to be a farmer anymore. He wants to sell his land. And the buyer is white.
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killings of innocent people. And she famously said at a political rally, with our necklaces and our matches, we will liberate this country. Which of course is a reference to the necklace murders, which was very popular in South Africa and still happens in South Africa.
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And now there's a white farmer again. What's the government's position on this? And the spokesperson for the department says, in that case, the correction of the injustice has been reversed. It's completely bizarre.
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It's very sad what happened to that country.
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No, they say that Robert Mugabe is a hero and that ZANU-PF, the party... His party, yeah. Yeah, yeah, is a good party and it's a liberation force and we respect them.
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Well, I think you can say there are threats of that happening. There's not a genocide happening in South Africa.
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What am I missing? Yeah, if you own land, by definition, that's illegitimate, regardless of whether you bought the land. It doesn't matter how you got the land.
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So the ANC in South Africa wanted to – they have this process of name changes. And by the way, this targeting of statues came from South Africa. It's happening in America. It started in South Africa, burning down statues and so forth. And they've had this long process of name changes. And one thing they wanted to –
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to change the street in which the US embassy is in South Africa to Fidel Castro Avenue. That's one story. The other one is they wanted to change one of the main streets in Pretoria to name it after Mao Tse Tung. And then some of the opposition parties said, are you crazy? Do you know what Mao Tse Tung did? And the response was, remember, Mao was never convicted of any crime.
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That's when you take a rubber tire, you fill it with petrol or gasoline, and you put it around someone's neck so that it's bound around their arms and you set it on fire. And then you stone that person while he's burning to death. And that happened. There were, I think, 500 or 700 people were killed like that during political violence in South Africa. And she encouraged this.
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Well, I think there's some explanation as to why the South African government has gone so off the rails. And it's that they've gotten a free pass for decades.
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Because of this narrative, they could do and say whatever they want. They've got no criticism or very little criticism, very careful criticism. And that's why I think they've gone so ballistic after the recent comments by Trump and people like Elon Musk.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's the biggest story in South Africa at the moment. Really? And what are they saying? Well, they're saying that we've, the organizations that I was involved with at the time have committed treason, that we've been charged for treason. You've been charged with treason? Yeah. For what?
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For speaking, well, among others, for me speaking with you about what's happening in South Africa. That's treason? Yeah, because it's bad mouthing your country. That's the argument. Damn. So I don't know if it was one of the opposition parties who filed the charges.
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No, no, you should come to South Africa. No, you should definitely come. I don't know if much will come from the treason charges, but that's certainly the action. But you've been charged with treason. Yeah, there were official complaints filed at the police. Yes, yes.
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It would be imprisonment. We don't have the death penalty.
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Well, I'm honestly, seriously, I'm more concerned if the question is about safety, about mob justice in South Africa than the actual government coming after you. Of course. So what does that look like? Well, we have... I think you reported on this in 2021, I think, when there was this massive riots in South Africa. In Durban. In Durban. I remember that.
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Yeah, it sort of spilled out to Gauteng, to Johannesburg, to a lesser extent. And it's just people, it's almost like, you know, smelling blood and becoming extremely violent. And people join in by the thousands.
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So someone, a friend from Europe once asked me, are you not afraid that the government's going to come to your house and take your stuff? And my honest answer is not that much. I'm more concerned about a mob showing up. So then what do you do? Well, if you are alone, you can't do anything.
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If you're a well-functioning, well-organized community, then the community, you can call people on the radio. You can get the community to take a stance. And I think that's one of the things. So you don't get lynched.
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It's not so much white people who are targeted.
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No, blacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's certainly, it has happened in the previous dispensation. It's still happening to an extent, not as much as in the past, but people don't know that it's still happening. To people accused of crimes. Yeah. And it's partly due to the fact that the police is absent. Right.
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So especially in townships, someone is a rapist and the police doesn't show up, doesn't do anything. And then the local community just deals with him. That type of thing happens in a very brutal way. Yes, yes. Yeah, it does happen in a brutal way.
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Initially, she denied it, and then it came out that it was recorded of her saying this. So, yes, it's very bizarre that someone like Queen Mandela is a hero today.
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Yeah, I mentioned the necklace murders before. So we have that. And it's the same with the xenophobic violence. It's very unfortunate. And if we had a well-functioning police service, Maybe that would have helped, but we don't. So in South Africa, we can check the numbers.
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I'm pretty sure the private security sphere in South Africa is almost as big as private security in America, but America is much larger. Private security in South Africa is more than double the police and the army combined. If you add the police and the army up together and you multiply it by two, Private security is the amount of private security officers in South Africa or security guards.
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Yes, we do have the right to self-defense. We can own firearms, although it's not as easy as in America.
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But you can do that. You can get arms, especially through a private security company. There's some room to make sure that you can protect yourself. And does it work? Yes, yes.
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In terms of the farm murders, we've seen that statistically, that in communities where areas or communities where people are well organized, where they have radios, where they drive patrols, where they are trained, there's a decrease in farm murders. You can clearly see that. Actually, in the last few years, the farm murder numbers have come down a bit. And it's not because...
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because the incitement has gotten better. It's not because the police is more efficient. It's because local communities have become much more involved with their own safety. And so that's certainly one of the most important building blocks of the solution.
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No, no, people won't comply. No, I mean, that's partly why I told this story at the beginning, is the Afrikaner people and the farmers are very stubborn. In Afrikaans, we say hard-headed. Well, you have to be stubborn to be a farmer in the first place. Yes, and especially a farmer in South Africa.
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I mean, it's easier. Yes, exactly. So it's a common trope among farmers to say that I would rather die on my farm than to hand it over to the government. And so I think if they really try to act on it, which they haven't tried. There are land invasions in South Africa, but it's not so much the government, it's mobs and gangs and so forth invading people's land.
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But if they really try to act on these attempts at expropriation, there's going to be a massive backlash. And there's no doubt. So what they would say is, this is actually what the government says, that we need to do what happened in Zimbabwe, but without violence. But that's how they would argue it.
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Yeah, you can find it online. And so the argument is, but we're going to do it a bit better. We're going to do it without violence. But what that means is we're going to do what happened in Zimbabwe and you are not going to resist. That's what it means. But obviously people will resist when they try to do that. There's no doubt about it. But I do think the government is very incompetent.
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You know, they have these very radical ideas. I don't know if they have the competency to actually go through.
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So there are some business organizations in South Africa who now use the term maximum appropriate noncompliance. That's what they encourage private companies to do. So it's a form of civil disobedience. It's with all these BEE, these black empowerment laws, to just say,
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And the government owns the land, most of the land that they expropriate. They don't give it to people. It goes to the government.
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How's that? Yeah. Well, civil disobedience can be a wonderful thing. And we've had some examples of successful civil disobedience campaigns in South Africa where the government had these, they call it the ETO system. It's like a big,
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tax system on the highways that just, it's an electronic tax toll system that, but people just buy the thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands just refuse to comply, to get the tags and so forth. And eventually they had to stop it because even though it was law, people just didn't do it. And the same with COVID. COVID was a good example. We've had a bizarre COVID.
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Everyone has had a bizarre COVID. So we had these strange laws like you can't buy flip-flops during COVID.
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Yeah, and you cannot buy shorts. You cannot buy cooked chicken. We had these really, really bizarre COVID laws. It's a crime to buy cooked chicken or to sell cooked chicken during COVID. And so people just said, well, we don't care. We're just going to do what we want. And so there was a massive civil disobedience phenomenon in South Africa during the COVID lockdown.
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Yes, so there were some better and some worse people in the leadership.
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And so I think people have learned, and the government couldn't do anything about it, I think people have learned that you can actually do a lot if you just don't comply with these completely ridiculous, irrational laws.
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I think an important component here that is very well documented, it's not a secret, but a lot of people don't seem to want to know this or recognize this, is the very strong alliance that the ANC has always had and still has with the South African Communist Party and the extent to which they were supported, not just by the Soviet Union, also by the Vietnamese and by Mao Tse-Tung as well.
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Yeah, so we've had some examples of this. It started with the Rhodes Must Fall movement. Oh, the Rhodes, oh, Cecil Rhodes. Cecil John Rhodes, yeah. So this one guy defecated on Cecil John Rhodes' statue at, was it UCT? What university was it in Cape Town? Okay. And then they started this movement.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Just shit on it. They started this movement of tearing down statues, which eventually boiled over to America, and that's how it got to America. And it boiled over to Europe and so forth. But it started with that, this targeting of statues. I think it was 2012 or something. It was maybe before that even. And it became a mob.
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And they wore t-shirts with slogans like kill the whites, like on the t-shirt. And it became very violent and very overtly racist. And it was students running around just, you know, setting things on fire, burning down buildings and stuff like that. So that is a real threat. And then later we had the fees must fall movement that was university students demanding that education must be free.
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You shouldn't pay to go to university. And it was the same thing. And now we've had these, more recently, we've had political parties sort of taken up that thing. This kill the boer and so forth. And so I honestly think in South Africa, the threat of mob violence is a bigger threat than the government.
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Well, the thing is, there's no silver bullet. There's no one thing that we can do to make sure that we're equipped to withstand that.
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But if there is a silver bullet, it would be, or the closest to it, it would be what I mentioned earlier is well-organized communities, communities that have a sense of community, that recognize that you have a sense of responsibility, not just towards yourself and your own family, but towards your community.
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and that you have some form of a communal identity that is under threat that is being targeted and you have to protect yourself you have to fulfill a bunch of functions that the government is not fulfilling even though you're paying them to do it they're not doing it so you have to look after your own safety you need to have a gun you need to have a bulletproof vest you need to have or if you don't then at least a significant amount of people in your in your community must especially those who are more interested in
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this type of thing. You need to be well-organized. You need to be prepared if something bad happens in your community, if the mob comes, if they set the shopping mall on fire, or if they come for people's houses, that in a very short timeframe, you can get a whole bunch of people mobilized to protect their community. And with these riots in 2021...
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That was a good case study because some communities were completely unprepared and they were virtually destroyed. And some communities were very well prepared. And when the mobs arrived, there was a bunch of people with guns waiting for them.
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Yeah, they were very well armed. Yes. Yeah. It's like some heroic Indians out there. Yeah, there was one, I think, some guy with something that looked like a minigun on the back of a pickup truck. I don't know where they got that.
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implementing what they call the people's war strategy that they got from Mao Tse Tung. So yes, it was very much the ANC saw themselves as being the African or South African frontier of promoting a socialist or communist revolution.
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We have some brave Indians. We do. And there were other examples. One was the mob was approaching a town and the people were waiting for them on a bridge. And then they got there, they just couldn't enter because the people had just cordoned off their own town, their own village or community, and they weren't able to enter. So we've had some case studies of this.
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South Africa is a fascinating case study for a lot of things.
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Of course. Of course it would be better. I think it's because they have – when they took power in 1994, they explicitly said we are not a political party. We are not a government in terms of what people think a government should be. We are a liberation movement committed to the promotion of socialism and committed to the promotion of black nationalism. And that's their ideology.
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They said that in 94. Yeah, they even said that before 94. They published it.
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Yeah. There's a well-known book that was an international bestseller, My Traitor's Heart by a guy called Rian Malan. It's sort of his autobiography.
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And so there's one section in that book. I know Rian. I know the author. He's a great guy.
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He speaks like he writes as well.
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So there's one part in the book where he talks about picking up the New York Times. And I'm sort of saying this from memory from reading the book. But broadly speaking, what he says is he picks up the New York Times in, I don't know, 1992 or something in New York or wherever. And there's two stories on the same page. The one is about the ANC and Nelson Mandela coming to save South Africa.
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And then the other story is a somewhat smaller story about a guy being necklaced in a local community, a guy being viciously attacked and killed. And so he writes in that book that... What concerned him was that the New York Times was not able to connect these two stories to each other. They didn't recognize that it's part of the same story. It's presented as two completely different stories.
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That was while the Rwandan genocide was happening.
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It was the same month, even. The election, at least.
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That's not hard. Well, there's a story from Rwanda that I keep mentioning in the same time. I think Linda Melvin wrote a book called Conspiracy to Murder, which is about – I think she lived in Rwanda and she's a journalist and she wrote about what happened. And she writes about a –
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It must have been a party in Washington between American diplomats and government officials from Rwanda in the run up, I think, to the genocide. And it was just a big celebration and everyone was happy because Rwanda was in the process of becoming a democracy.
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And then afterwards, someone asked one of the Americans, but did you not know what was happening in Rwanda, that they were on the verge of committing genocide? And he said, the American diplomat said, yes, we knew, but we were so excited about democracy and Rwanda becoming a democracy. We didn't want to spoil the mood by confronting them.
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Yeah.
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So that's very, very alarming, this idea of being so excited about a potential idea that you are not willing to confront the realities that's happening or that could potentially unfold.
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Can I give you an example of that from the South African perspective? So I mentioned the name changes. It's a big thing in South Africa. Yeah. I'm sure that'll fix your problems.
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No, obviously. So there's a town called Amanzamtoti, which is on the east coast of South Africa. The main street was named Kingsway. They changed it to Andrew Zondu Street. Now, Andrew Zondu is really only known for one thing. He was a member of the ANC Youth League, and I believe it was 1985. He planted a bomb in a shopping center, and he killed, I think, five people and injured 40.
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All of the people who were killed were women and children. That's the only thing he did. And he was a member of the ANC Youth League. The ANC regards that event as something that they claim as an act of heroism. So they named the main street after him. And so there are people in that town who drive to work in a street named after the person who killed their children.
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And now they would say that they need to do these name changes to make sure that they get rid of offensive names. Offensive names are Afrikaans names, names linked to South Africa's past. And so I was at, again, a summit where this was discussed. And I mentioned this. I said, so you say that in Pretoria, Church Street is an offensive name and has to be changed.
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In Amanzum Toti, you change King's way to Andrew Zondu. And I tell this story and I said, so who decides if it's offensive or not? And the guy said, oh, well, that's easy. The majority decides. And so, but it's not even the majority. It's just the government. The government decides because they believe they are the majority.
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So we have these extremely offensive things happening under the banner of- Well, they're murderous.
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Yeah. No, definitely. Yeah, we'll stay. You guys must love your country. Yeah, we really do. I mean, in South Africa, everyone who's been to South Africa would say it's an incredibly beautiful country, and it truly is. And it's a country that unfortunately has suffered so much under this current government. and has suffered so much in the past.
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One of our Afrikaans philosophers, a man named N. Pierre van Wyklo, wrote, I think in the 1930s or something, that you love a people not so much for their accomplishments as for the hardships that they've had to endure. That's right. And I think that's true for South Africa.
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South Africa has endured many hardships and also for our people, the Afrikaans people, as with many other peoples all over the world. have endured many hardships. And it's through these hardships and maintaining our sense of identity that we really love our history and our tradition and our culture.
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Yes, the French Huguenots, yes. It was the fleeing the religious wars in Europe. Of course, they were getting killed. Yes, in big numbers. Yeah, yeah. It's... That's part of our origin story, how we came to be. Well, it's also factually true.
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Well, the reality is that virtually every sphere of society is collapsing with the exception of taxation, of course, and tax collection. That's still very, very efficient. Maybe I can explain it this way. So America has a somewhat skewed tax system with, if my information is correct, about 85% of tax, income tax in America is paid by about 10% of the people. I think that's correct. So one in 10.
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Yes, yes, absolutely.
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Well, the problem is if you do that, you get bashed quite aggressively. Yeah, but like compared to what?
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Well, the alternative is worse. It's just living the lie. It's much worse than getting bashed for telling the truth. Can I tell you a quick story or a quick reference about courage? Of course. So it's somewhat philosophical, but I'll make it practical. So Odysseus is on his way back from the Trojan War. And he has all these hardships and he's trying to get home.
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And he gets told that the only way for him to get home is to face Scylla and Charybdis. Scylla is this six-headed sea monster, and Charybdis is a monstrous whirlpool that swallows ships whole. And the only way for him to get home is he has to navigate through these two monsters. Which he eventually does.
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He decides it's better for him to sail his ship closer to Scylla, the sea monster, than the whirlpool. And a whole lot of his people die, but he reaches his destination. And so Aristotle writes about this in the Nicomachean Ethics, when he talks about the golden mean. And he says any virtue... is about finding the balance between having excess of it and having a deficiency of it.
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And so this goes to courage, and courage is a good example. If you have excess courage, you become reckless. And if you have a deficiency, then you are a coward. And so the point of having courage is finding the balance between cowardice and recklessness. And what's great about the story of Odysseus is Odysseus discovers that he cannot simply go exactly in the middle between the two.
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He has to be closer to the one threat than to the other. Because if he goes too close to the whirlpool, his whole ship gets swallowed up. And so the point here, and Aristotle says this as well, it's not to find the exact middle point. It's to find the appropriate balance between the two extremes. And so the one extreme is recklessness and the other extreme is cowardice.
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And I honestly think in the situation we are in, it's better to err on the side of being too bold than to err on the side of having not enough courage or trying to find some form of solution through appeasement. And so we make mistakes in the process, and sometimes you say something wrong or you do something wrong.
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But I'm very much convinced that if we're on this course and we try to pursue what we are trying to pursue, rather err on the side of having too much boldness and too much courage and facing the consequences than having to face the consequences of having a lack of courage. I love that.
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Well, I think there are many ways. The one way is just to follow what's happening in South Africa and speak about it. Because we've had this incredible barrage of communications coming, just telling us again how wrong we are. This narrative is this zeitgeist in a certain sense. It's really like a monster that you have to fight.
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That you're not allowed to say, speak certain truths, even though the truths are self-evident. So I think one thing is if people just can help spread the message, help take some interest in South Africa, because what's happening in South Africa is also of interest to the rest of the world. I think it is. In many ways, South Africa is the future of the Western world.
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In South Africa, 85% of income tax is paid by one in 30 people. So it's a very small number of people, a very small portion of society that pays tax, that is heavily taxed. And then about almost half of the population in South Africa get money from the government in the form of social grants.
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In terms of the problem and the solution, I think. So that's one. And then the other is there really are some institutions in South Africa who are really focused on building community-based solutions. And I think if people can... can identify these institutions and support these institutions, it really would help.
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Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And I think in terms of the US government, if the US government is willing to do something, as it seems that they are, I think the most important thing that they could do is a combination of pressuring the South African government away from these destructive policies, but also supporting communities, local communities or minority communities or nations, you should say, who are committed to finding some form of self-determination.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Amen. Well, Godspeed.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
I hope you'll come back. Oh, thank you. I hope so too. And I have to thank you for not just for this interview, but also for the focus you've been putting on South Africa in the past.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Well, thank you very much.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
If you add government employees, conservative estimates say that 50% of people in South Africa get money from the government. Some estimates say it's up to 60% of adults, voting age adults, get money from the government each year. So then... This money, of course, is then used. It's given out as social grants.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But what's left is used to set up these programs that are actively discriminating against taxpayers. I mean, there are so many examples. One of the most recent ones is this Blacks Only Fund that the government has set up whereby they give money to black entrepreneurs exclusively. So this is happening.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And then on top of that, so after you spend your tax money to fund these government programs that are discriminating against you, You have to spend what is left to do the things that the government was supposed to be doing. So the classical definition of a government is that it should protect life, liberty, and property.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
The classical liberal view, we're a bit Ciceronian, so we think a government has to do more than that. But if we use those three things, the government's not protecting our lives. There's about, if this interview that we're about to have is two hours, there will be about seven murders in South Africa in this time. Government does not protect liberty.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
It's actively targeting schools of minority communities, actively denying the identity and the rights of minority communities. And it's certainly not protecting property. It's actively involved with the program to empower the government to expropriate private property without compensation.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So, and then we have to use the money that is left to pay for our own private security, to become involved with organizations, to fulfill the things that the government was supposed to be doing with the tax money that we paid in the first place.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
No, that's absolutely the case. So there's a theory, there was this video that just went viral on social media of this guy talking about how white people are subhuman and all of that. And they get, well, this is taught at universities in South Africa. There's a theory called Azania critical theory. Azania is a pan-African word for South Africa.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
And they actually get this from Americans like Robin DiAngelo, who's this Ibrahim X. Kendi, Ta-Nehisi Coates, these people. They get it from them. And then they put an African flavor on it, which essentially boils down to a theory that justifies the targeting and extermination of the white minority. And so the theory, to summarize, goes more or less like this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
There's an African term called Ubuntu, which means brotherliness or it's about your internal humanity. It's a Zulu term. And the theory goes that white people are incapable of having Ubuntu. But Ubuntu is the essence of humanity. So if you don't have it, you're not truly human. So it boils down that the logical conclusion is that if you kill a white person, then you did not actually commit murder.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, well, perhaps I can start with your reference about the 90s, because it's absolutely true. South Africa and America was very involved with the setting up of the political system that we have in South Africa during the 90s. And it was, of course, the end of history era. Everyone is excited about...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
So this is not widely believed in South Africa, but this is taught at universities by university professors, and it's certainly believed by radical elements. It's a predicate for genocide.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, well, we've always been saying that there's not a genocide in South Africa, looking at what happened in Rwanda and so forth. It's not the same thing. But it is very alarming to look at some of these claims that are being made and to compare that to what was made in Rwanda.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
Yeah, and we have these political parties chanting, I mean, you've seen this, you've reported on this, chanting, kill the boer, kill the farmer to a stadium filled with people. And it's not just rhetoric. So they would say, no, it's just a metaphor.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But it's preceded by a speech about how white people are criminals and should be treated like criminals, how everything they have is illegitimate and stolen, in which people are encouraged to go and invade their farms and so forth. And then they chant, kill the boer, kill the farmer, and they make these hand gestures. Of course, the boer is a reference to the Afrikaner people.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
But the reality is also that the farmers are being attacked and killed on their farms. So it's not just a metaphor. And our attempts at researching this has found that there's an increase in farm attacks, obviously, when the political climate becomes heated or warmer. And these type of statements are made in a way that's highly publicized.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Ernst Roets: Attacks on Whites in South Africa, Attempts to Hide It, and Trump’s Plan to End It
You do get an increase in farm attacks, and it's very brutal and very horrific farm attacks that we see. So the farm attacks are attacks against white farmers, not against… Not exclusively white farmers, but it's attacks against farmers in South Africa, of which the majority is white.