The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Wed, 02 Apr 2025
Five years after the greatest crime in American history, the only people who’ve been punished are the ones who told the truth about Covid. Dr. Mary Talley Bowden is one of them. (00:00) Dr. Mary Talley Bowden Was Right All Along (06:19) The Origin of the Government’s Propaganda Campaign (17:57) How the Medical Establishment Tried to Destroy Dr. Bowden (27:17) How Effective Is Ivermectin? (42:26) The Health of Dr. Bowden’s Patients Compared to Others Paid partnerships with: PureTalk: Switch your cell phone service to a company you can be PROUD to do business with. https://PureTalk.com/Tucker Silencer Central: Promo code Tucker10 for 10% off your purchase of banish suppressors at https://www.silencercentral.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: Why was Dr. Mary Talley Bowden right about COVID?
So thank you for coming. So I want to, okay, here's my question to you. You were one of the people who was right about COVID and certainly more right than the U.S. public health authorities and the global public health authorities. And I'm just going to summarize in two sentences what I think your position was. So you're a physician in private practice in Texas and you're vaccinated, by the way.
No. You were not, oh, you're not vaccinated. No. I almost did. God bless you. But at first, you like have no real reason to think that this is all completely backward. But then you treat COVID patients, thousands, I think. And you start to realize that the therapies that the U.S. government is recommending are not working, that the vaccines are not working as advertised at all.
And you start saying something about it and offering alternatives to it, which are badly needed in the middle of this pandemic. moment, and you're attacked, really attacked. Your livelihood, your professional credentials are attacked. And then time passes, now four years, and it becomes really clear that once again, you were more right than the U.S. public health authorities.
I think that's just demonstrable. I think the science proves that. So here's my question after a long preamble. Have you been rewarded for it? Has the AMA given you the Physician of the Year Award? No, I'm serious. Has anybody said... We were wrong in attacking you and you deserve credit for your foresight and bravery.
No. And I mean, I'm still fighting to keep my license. I mean, I still have the Texas Medical Board coming after me for something that happened. Right now you're fighting? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have a hearing coming up the end of April. And I was trying to save somebody's life. It was a sheriff's deputy.
This is a man that has served for 29 years trying to protect and save the public, father of six. And he contracted COVID. And this was in the fall of 2021. And that was the third and the largest surge of the pandemic. That's when this was following the rollout of the COVID shots. So this was eight months following the rollout of COVID shots. And they clearly weren't working.
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Chapter 2: How did the government's propaganda campaign begin?
And this man, he got sick. He tried to get ivermectin. He couldn't find a doctor willing to prescribe it. He ended up in the hospital and he was, you know, went downhill like so many people did. And his wife, you know, the hospital was talking hospice. They were giving up. They said, we tried everything.
Come on. How old was this man?
He was late 50s, early 60s. Not elderly, right? No. And he was a big guy, but he had no comorbidities. He had no other medical problems. And so, you know, this is we saw this, though, with so many people, you know, day if you didn't get early treatment, the second week of illness, people would start really getting bad that this massive inflammatory response would kick in. Yes.
It almost always happened on day eight. It was very weird. It was very predictable. And, you know, the primary care doctors just shut their doors to these people. They said, oh, this is just a virus. We'll let it run its course and then go to the emergency room if you can't breathe. So that happened.
Can I ask you a question? Why would primary care physicians, whose duty it is to treat patients, and they must have known by this point that day eight is the critical day, why would they not treat these people?
Because there's a dogma that we are taught in medical school and in our training that you don't treat a virus, that you let a virus run its course because there's this big fear about antibiotic resistance. So they don't want people over prescribing antibiotics. And so the assumption, if somebody comes to you with an upper respiratory tract infection and the first
three, four days, five days, and they don't test positive for strep, you basically say, oh, you've got a virus and we'll just wait and see what happens. Well, I mean, that was just catastrophic. I mean, that was really, and I learned so much. I mean, I had that mindset prior to the pandemic, but it just didn't sit well with me when people were coming in and really struggling to just do nothing.
And so initially I tried hydroxychloroquine But as soon as President Trump came out and said how great it was, the Texas State Board of Pharmacy, they literally shut it down. Like they prohibited doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine. So I put it on the back burner and I just did my best. I did breathing treatments, steroids. I did antibiotics for secondary infection.
But initially I didn't really have a lot of demand for people coming in needing treatment. I was doing a lot of testing and that sort of got me recognized in town because I had a saliva test that didn't require a swab up the nose and I was able to get the results back very quickly.
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Chapter 3: What actions were taken against Dr. Bowden by medical authorities?
great they worked wonderfully people turned around very quickly and but what happened is in the and this is during that big surge when jason jones as sheriff's deputy got sick couldn't get monoclonal antibodies couldn't get ivermectin when in 2001 was that you remember So the summer of 2021, well, so let's start in the spring of 2021. So this is following the rollout of the COVID shots.
The government is upset because people are not buying it. People are not getting, there's very low uptake, very low interest or suspicion of these shots. So in March, they started their PR campaign, the government. They went after ivermectin. The FDA put something on their website about you can't use ivermectin for COVID. That Biden doled out $11.5 billion to groups around the country.
Initially, it started with 275. It went up to 17,000. Influencers, church groups, sports leagues, all sorts of people just just funneling out taxpayer money to go after doctors like myself that were spreading misinformation and to, you know, this is you push people to get these COVID shots. So that happened in the spring and.
So Houston Methodist Hospital, and that's where I had privileges, they were the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots. And this was April 1st, 2021. And this was the exact day that Biden announced COVID-19 community core, that multi-billion dollar propaganda effort. I think it was very purposeful. I think the mandate started in Houston for a reason.
I think that they knew if they could get away with the mandates in Texas, they could get away with them anywhere.
Where was your governor in this?
He was, you know, he...
Yeah, a Republican governor.
Yeah, he was a little slow to act. I mean, he was on board with Methodist. In fact, I have the CEO of Methodist, Dr. Mark Boom, on camera saying that Governor Abbott wanted them to get a shot in every arm. That's according to the CEO of Methodist. But, you know, he did come through eventually, but... This is early on. So then that summer started having all these breakthrough cases.
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Chapter 4: How effective is ivermectin according to Dr. Bowden?
Were these your patients you're talking about?
People that were coming to my office to get tested.
And- Why wasn't every doctor doing this?
Well, we can get to that. Yeah. Because I mean, I'm independent. So it allowed me to do things that other doctors can't do. But I was actually collaborating with Methodist. I was sharing my data with them because I had so many, I mean, basically I was just, all I saw was COVID for a few years. And we were trying to get the data published. So we had a good relationship.
So I reached out and I said, hey, are you seeing what I'm seeing? Like these, all these breakthrough cases. At the same time, I had all these people coming to me very distraught about the mandates. Because we were ahead of the time, right? This was before the rest of the country was mandating the shots. But in Houston, a lot of people at Houston Methodist, they employ about 30,000 people.
very distraught over these mandates um and then i and then i see that they're not working at that time i wasn't seeing the injuries and at that time i was just very vocal against the mandates so
I, you know, in August, late August of 2021, FDA put out the infamous horse tweet, and that's the attractive healthcare worker nuzzling the horse and says, seriously, y'all, you're not a horse, you're not a cow, stop it. Tweet went viral. That's right. That's when Joe Rogan got smeared for taking ivermectin.
And then right after that, Biden mandated the shots and they took away monoclonal antibodies. So it's all very orchestrated.
But monoclonal antibodies, I've never heard anybody say that they weren't helpful.
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Chapter 5: How does the health of Dr. Bowden's patients compare to others?
So their response was one sentence and said, well, we think the shots are there to lessen the severity. Well, interestingly enough, they've never shared their data, their hospital data. And being the first in the country to mandate the shots, you know they're sitting on an enormous amount of data.
And if the shots had been effective in preventing transmission or lowering the severity, then they should have shared that. They would have shared that. They would have been screaming that from the rooftops if it fits their agenda. But they've been very quiet about that. So, you know, I had, you know, all these things, all these patients coming to me very distraught.
I had one patient come to me and tell me that her urologist at Houston Methodist called her and said, you're going to need to find a new urologist if you don't get the COVID shots. And she had a history of bladder cancer. So she was very upset and she was calling me to try to find a new urologist that I won't treat you.
Well, he said that the department was talking, having discussions about not treating patients that were unvaccinated.
He didn't say... The Texas Health Department?
No, this is at Houston Methodist Hospital.
Oh, the Department of Urology.
Yes. That's what he told this patient.
Then... Doesn't he have a moral obligation to treat his patients?
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