Dr. Mary Talley Bowden
Appearances
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah. I mean, they fought tooth and nail to keep him from just trying a very safe medication, which I believe should be over the counter. And then and then they turned me into the medical board over it. And I'm still fighting those charges. The patient, he did survive, but he spent six months in the hospital. He lost half of his body weight. He never was able to make a full recovery.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And then unfortunately, he did pass away.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's a stain on the medical profession.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, the technicality is that I didn't have hospital privileges when I sent the nurse to the hospital. But because this was a legal dispute.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
She never got in. And I was following the guidance of the lawyers.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, I don't think they're trying to. I think they just want to find me and find you. Yeah, mark my record. And I could have settled a long time ago. So you have something called an informal settlement conference. It's behind closed doors. There's no witnesses or you don't really get to interact much.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And they offered to make it go away if I paid them $5,000 and took eight hours of CME and retook the- What does CME mean? Continuing medical education. And then retook the jurisprudence exam. So all doctors in Texas have to take a medical legal exam, which I've already taken and passed, but they wanted me to take it again. And I just said, no, I'm not. I'm not caving to this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And unfortunately, the latest. So it's been three and a half years. There have been multiple continuances. They haven't been able to find an expert witness to testify against me. The first one got sick with cancer. The second one just died. I think just chickened out, I don't know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No. And I mean, I'm still fighting to keep my license. I mean, I still have the Texas Medical Board coming after me for something that happened. Right now you're fighting? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have a hearing coming up the end of April. And I was trying to save somebody's life. It was a sheriff's deputy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And the third one, the third witness, it turns out that the entire time, and he was the former medical director of the Texas Medical Board, the entire time, the last 12 years, he's been working for Planned Parenthood. So we found that out.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
He's a lab director for Planned Parenthood.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I don't know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, probably.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
He was the medical director of the medical board.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Exactly, yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Exactly. No, I mean, Texas is not what people think.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
This is a man that has served for 29 years trying to protect and save the public, father of six. And he contracted COVID. And this was in the fall of 2021. And that was the third and the largest surge of the pandemic. That's when this was following the rollout of the COVID shots. So this was eight months following the rollout of COVID shots. And they clearly weren't working.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You know, the medical board's job is to protect the public from dangerous doctors. I mean, it's... It's true, though. I mean, you get a monthly bulletin and there are, you know, sex... Like the ones who give your kids amphetamines for ADHD?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, no, I mean... No, not those doctors.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I mean, we get a monthly email just blasting all the crimes that doctors have done. And it's pretty bad. I mean, you know, sex offenders.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
A lot of, you know, so that's their role. I don't think I'm dangerous. I was trying to save a life. I stepped on the toes of a hospital. That's that was my crime. A multibillion dollar hospital, Advent Hospital. And, you know, that's what happened with Methodist. I stepped on their toes and they just weren't going to have that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I mean, at the time that this was going down, we were it was a legal battle. I felt like, well, I really can't. I just have to. Yeah, I can't step outside what the lawyers are telling me to do.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I don't know for sure, but I know that Houston Methodist Hospital has $13 billion in assets. That was actually a couple of years ago. It's probably more now. In assets? In assets. So 13 billion in assets. And they have locations all over Houston. They don't pay property taxes. They're nonprofit.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
They don't pay any property taxes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes, there was.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes, so there was a Dr. Joe Varone, who is a pulmonologist, critical care doctor. He's now the head of Independent Medical Alliance. He and I, I would have, it was crazy. We'd have patients calling us all over the country saying, help, get me out of this hospital. And he would accept transfers from all over the country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So people would be, you know, life flighted from ICU in Maine and taken down to Houston. And he would care for them. And this hospital, UMMC, allowed him to use ivermectin. And we were, there was a whole protocol that was, It's called the Math Plus Protocol and started by FLCCC, which now is Independent Medical Alliance. But it was high dose steroids. It was high dose ivermectin.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And this man, he got sick. He tried to get ivermectin. He couldn't find a doctor willing to prescribe it. He ended up in the hospital and he was, you know, went downhill like so many people did. And his wife, you know, the hospital was talking hospice. They were giving up. They said, we tried everything.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It was high dose vitamin C. It was breathing treatments. It was all these very basic, you know, not dangerous things that weren't being done. He saved a lot of lives. He worked crazy. I mean, I think he worked over two and a half years straight without even a break. But I was fortunate to have him as an ally and somebody.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, if you look at – there's a great website that compiles all the ivermectin data just by itself. And we have 105 studies showing efficacy of ivermectin. And, you know – It varied depending on the actual patient as it should. And you wouldn't always just use ivermectin. So in my more severe patients, I would use a combination of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
During that second week, I would do higher dose steroids if necessary. I would do breathing treatments. So it's hard to isolate saying, okay, well, it's just ivermectin. But when you look on this compilation of studies, I mean, even in the late stages, and you were asking me about this earlier, even in the late stages, they showed that ivermectin could decrease mortality by 40%.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's most effective if you actually take it as prevention. So people taking it twice a week do the best. And then the people that start day one or two or three, they're the next best.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, it depends on who you ask. But yes, there is plenty of data supporting that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, you know, it would help myself and other doctors who, I mean, I'm not the only doctor going through this with a medical board, but if they could make it a countermeasure, then it's protected under the PrEP Act. And then it makes all these issues that we're having with medical boards essentially go away.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, I wouldn't say that. They'd say it doesn't work or it's not. But the studies that are all establishment, you know, in the big journals, they're either they didn't give the ivermectin soon enough or they gave too low of a dose or the study was sponsored by somebody that has financial interests and seen it not work. So there are studies countering that. But
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
If you if you look at there's just an abundance of data showing it works and it's super safe. So I was a little bit nervous before I started using it because of all the media that's only for horses and that sort of thing. So I dug into it and I did what.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes. I mean, for for their parasite issues. Yeah. But so I looked at the study where Merck submitted to the FDA. It's on their website. Anybody can find it. And you get toxicity data. And there's something called the LD50, which stands for lethal dose 50. It's a benchmark number that is used to gauge how toxic a medication is. So the higher the number, the lower the toxicity.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
He was late 50s, early 60s. Not elderly, right? No. And he was a big guy, but he had no comorbidities. He had no other medical problems. And so, you know, this is we saw this, though, with so many people, you know, day if you didn't get early treatment, the second week of illness, people would start really getting bad that this massive inflammatory response would kick in. Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And in COVID, we were using higher doses of ivermectin than what you use to treat a parasite. So I wanted to make sure these higher doses were okay. Well, if you look at the LD50 of ivermectin, it's anywhere from 11 to 82 times what we're giving for COVID. So we are far under that threshold. And then I did a literature search, and I tried to find accidental, intentional overdoses from ivermectin.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And I couldn't find anything. And I checked recently and there was one study showing some issues. And it was a little bit muddy. Like, was this really ivermectin? But if you look at Tylenol, I mean, there's thousands of papers showing toxicity from Tylenol.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Really?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right. Well, yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen it, but sure.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yep. Well, that was. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I tell people I have a harder time with antibiotics in terms of side effects. Like if I'm going to get a call back in my office, it's usually about an antibiotic problem, not ivermectin. But you can get some GI issues, diarrhea, and then you can get blurry vision. But the blurry vision goes away when you stop taking it. And it's not like, oh, I can't read.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's more like, oh, something's a little off. That's it? That's it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Exactly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, it's awful.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No. And I remember Methodist came after me very vocally. Yeah. And I had a press conference outside my office as a, you know, I'm not standing, I'm not putting up with this. And I said, you know, politics has no business in healthcare. And at the time I really believed it. I was not political at all prior to this. Really? I shied away from, I really didn't like it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And I thought it was too divisive. And here I am.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But now I feel like there's no other choice, right? You just have to. You have to get involved. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No, it's interesting that I went and looked at the data for Texas because Texas has been infiltrated by people from all over the country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
33% population. It's going to be California. Yeah, it is. And you look at healthcare professionals, what they donated to political parties. And 10 years ago, they primarily donated to Republicans. And now they primarily donate to Democrats. The whole profession has shifted.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, I think medicine in general, I mean, the corporate practice, it's become the corporate practice in medicine. It's become centralized. It's, you know, only 1% of doctors are not employed. I'm one of those, but.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Like, so 77% of doctors are employed by a hospital. 20% are employed by private equity or an insurance company. And 2% are employed by the government. And only 1% are like myself.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It almost always happened on day eight. It was very weird. It was very predictable. And, you know, the primary care doctors just shut their doors to these people. They said, oh, this is just a virus. We'll let it run its course and then go to the emergency room if you can't breathe. So that happened.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, I think it is. I mean, we have to, doctors need to regain their power. They've lost all their power.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So when I got out of residency, I worked in a traditional practice.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
just ear, nose, and throat and sleep medicine. And it was small, but it was easy. But I was always bothered by the stranglehold that the insurance companies had over my ability to treat my patients. So like one easy example is as an ear, nose, and throat doctor, we do an endoscopic exam of the nose. It takes about extra 10 minutes, not really a big deal.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's really not bad. You numb it up first with spray. There's no shots. But if I did that and I marked the code on the sheet, on the receipt, the patient might get some gigantic bill, like $400 for doing this little simple procedure, which as an ENT, it's pretty essential. It's part of our, you know, makes us different from the primary care doctor. We're able to look in there.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So it always stressed me out in the back of my mind, like, I'm gonna do this, and is the patient gonna get some big bill, right? I hated it. So when I, you know, I took time off, because I had four boys in five years, and- You had four boys? Yes.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It was chaotic, yes. And I wasn't sure I was gonna go back. I started off, I'm just gonna take a year off, and that led to seven years off. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Because there's a dogma that we are taught in medical school and in our training that you don't treat a virus, that you let a virus run its course because there's this big fear about antibiotic resistance. So they don't want people over prescribing antibiotics. And so the assumption, if somebody comes to you with an upper respiratory tract infection and the first
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Thank you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
three, four days, five days, and they don't test positive for strep, you basically say, oh, you've got a virus and we'll just wait and see what happens. Well, I mean, that was just catastrophic. I mean, that was really, and I learned so much. I mean, I had that mindset prior to the pandemic, but it just didn't sit well with me when people were coming in and really struggling to just do nothing.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Thank you. Thank you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And so initially I tried hydroxychloroquine But as soon as President Trump came out and said how great it was, the Texas State Board of Pharmacy, they literally shut it down. Like they prohibited doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine. So I put it on the back burner and I just did my best. I did breathing treatments, steroids. I did antibiotics for secondary infection.
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The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
you don't want to buy new clothes right well but you know if you lose weight you have to put i've so i did carnivore for six months and i had to buy a whole new wardrobe um i'm speaking as a man you can't buy new clothes you can't no why not a lot it's against the rules oh oh can't buy new clothes that's what keeps me in line just sorry um really good it worked that well
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I weigh now what I weighed in high school. I never thought I'd get to that point. I did it for six months and you know, it's not for everybody, but I will say it's a lot safer than Ozempic and Monjorno. And it's very simple. I mean, you basically eliminate all carbohydrates from your diet and you just eat meat and fat.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah. And you snack on bacon. I mean, it's crazy. And you're like shedding pounds.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
it's boring but it's simple you don't count calories you don't get hungry i mean you do go through the sugar withdrawal sugar is very addictive you think so but what do you think of fasting yeah i tried the intermittent fasting did not work for me i've heard that for women it's not as effective i worry that it slows down metabolism but yeah i've never tried it and i know people swear by it
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Oh, how to fix that?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, if you have to go to the hospital, be prepared. Have somebody with you. There is a patient bill of rights. You have rights in the hospital. Make sure you know those rights.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, they don't advertise them.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Oh, yeah. What is that?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, when I started 20, 23 years ago, patients didn't have a lot of access to information. Not like they have now. So we were in charge. We were definitely in charge because we had the information and patients really, unless they had textbooks, they didn't have it because we didn't have online information. And now, I mean, patients are well-informed.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And so every conversation I have with a patient, I know that they have been researching and they have a lot of information at their disposal. And I think a lot of doctors don't like that. I embrace it because I mean, I learn from my patients. And if a patient finds something, I will dig into it because I don't have time to dig into all of everything. Right. And you see weird things and I like it.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But initially I didn't really have a lot of demand for people coming in needing treatment. I was doing a lot of testing and that sort of got me recognized in town because I had a saliva test that didn't require a swab up the nose and I was able to get the results back very quickly.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But I think the doctors don't like that. It's a power thing. And. I mean, it can be frustrating on the flip side. If you feel like you really know what's going on and you're challenged by something somebody's read on the internet, that can be frustrating. But it's, you know, the doctors just don't, it's a power thing and an ego thing, mostly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's horrible. It needs to be pulled off the market. It should have been pulled off the market a long time ago. I looked at my patients in the two years following the rollout of the COVID shots and 7% of my new patients were coming to see me for severe injuries. I've never seen anything like it with any other product on the market.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
If this were an antibiotic and you were seeing all these side effects, it would have been yanked off a long time ago. Normally, The FDA will put a black box warning on a medication if there have been five deaths. They will pull it off the market if there have been 50.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, according to VAERS, which VAERS is Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, and it's vastly underreported, which I have seen firsthand.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
According to VAERS, there have been 38,000 deaths from these COVID shots. So under normal circumstances, the FDA would have pulled it. But instead, they've doubled down. They've put the shots on the childhood vaccine schedule. All babies are expected to get three COVID shots by the time they're nine months old. The shots are still under EUA status for this age group.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So under 12, they're not even fully approved by the FDA. And yet they're on the vaccine schedule. And according to the CDC, 9 million American children have gotten the latest version of these COVID shots. Yes. Yes.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
The concern I have with these kids. So we know Myocarditis.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes. Yes.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I don't know.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It should have been shut down a long time ago.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah. Well, children.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Minors. Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
You might remember initially LabCorp was the only lab in the country that had the test and they became inundated and it was taking two weeks to get the test results back. So we had a saliva test and people could just, we could just give a cup and they could sit in their car and spit in it. And then we'd have the results back the next day. So that sort of, that's where it all started.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's still compulsory in some states. Yes. And some businesses, not in Texas. So Texas actually passed a law outlawing mandates for COVID shots. But I actually reached out to people on Twitter yesterday and they said all these people say, yeah, it's still requiring shots for jobs or a nursing program or even transplants.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, the shots need to be pulled off the market immediately.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Who could do that? The FDA. So Marty Macari, he could do that. um and then we need accountability i mean we need we can't sweep this under the rug because we will never restore that trust and that's that's the key thing is if nothing happens it's just a festering wound and uh the trust will never come back are there any indications that this is coming soon
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I mean, I'm not privy to conversations in the government.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I have not. I mean, it seems to me that HHS, their focus now has shifted or I don't know, their focus is on food and food quality and improving that. And I haven't heard a word about COVID or the COVID shots.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Not, I mean, maybe I've missed something, but that's, I mean, I'm just reading what you're reading. I mean, I don't.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes. And my concern, giving it to babies, because myocarditis.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. You can find it on the CDC.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, that's why we can't let this just go away. Babies, so myocarditis, we know there's an increased risk of myocarditis in teenage boys who take these shots. We don't know what that risk is for nonverbal babies because the symptom is chest pain. So a baby, the baby could be getting myocarditis and we have no idea. Myocarditis can leave a scar on the heart.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And then monoclonal antibodies came about and those worked great. I mean, I could get as many doses as I wanted. I'd get them the next day. I'd just contact the manufacturer, say I need 200 doses. They'd be at my doorstep.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And then years later, the heart is permanently- Right, you're playing lacrosse and you drop. Right, and that's my big concern. These babies could be getting myocarditis and we have no idea.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I think, well, what I have been looking at is spike protein antibody levels. So when you get a vaccine, you can, traditionally we call them titers. So like people who get hepatitis B vaccine, you can look at the titers, the antibody levels and see if you have protection. We do that as in the hospital a lot.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So they wanna make sure if you work in the hospital, if you get stuck by a needle, you're not gonna get hepatitis B. So I've started looking at these spike protein antibody levels, and it's alarming because the people, I can tell immediately if somebody had the shot. In the vaccinated, these antibody levels are, I did an average last night, 13,000. In the unvaccinated, the average is 1,000.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So there's huge discrepancy.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, years after. And these people, most of these people have gotten two, maybe three. Nobody's gotten more than that. And none of these people have been sick recently with COVID. So it's very alarming to me. It suggests, I mean, we don't know, but it suggests that spike protein is still active and still replicating possibly in the body. I mean, the mRNA in these shots is not mRNA.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's a synthetic mRNA. And it was made to avoid degradation. So it's made to stay in the body. That was the purpose of it, of modifying it. So when I see these levels like this, it really concerns me that we have an issue with this ongoing spike protein in the body.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, I think cancer is a big concern. I think immune dysfunction.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, the spike protein is oncogenic. Shunxin talked about that. So viruses can be oncogenic. It appears that the spike protein, the mRNA shots have SV40 in it, which is an oncogenic virus. There's something called frame shifting. So when the mRNA is integrating that it can produce new proteins just by little mistakes that happen.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
great they worked wonderfully people turned around very quickly and but what happened is in the and this is during that big surge when jason jones as sheriff's deputy got sick couldn't get monoclonal antibodies couldn't get ivermectin when in 2001 was that you remember So the summer of 2021, well, so let's start in the spring of 2021. So this is following the rollout of the COVID shots.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So these new proteins, we don't know what they are, but they could cause autoimmune disease and possibly cancer as well. There's just a lot unknowns. I mean, we don't even, we need a test to detect spike protein. All we have now is antibody test. We really need a lot more. We need an antidote.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
We need I mean, I am struggling because I have all these injured people and I usually start with ivermectin and ivermectin helps. It binds the spike protein and it's anti-inflammatory. But we're really limited and we need a solution. So we need the NIH to really dig into this and help these injured patients because they're very challenging.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And, you know, we're sort of just, you know, experimenting because we don't know.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I would say, I mean, I get, you know, I've tried a lot of things and the thing that works the best is ivermectin. But it's slow going. It's, you know, I usually put people on for a long period of time before saying, okay, this is not going to work. And it's just hard because we, you know, there's just not, we need the NIH to step up and help us.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So I don't get the sudden, you know, collapse, myocarditis, stroke sort of situation because I'm outpatient.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right. I see the... Yeah, it varies, but I've seen some very strange rashes that don't go away with steroids and antihistamines.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Like bumpy, red, splotchy. I mean, I had this poor kid, 15 years old. It was all over his face, all over his body, and he responded so well to ivermectin. That was a great case.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, it came on right. I mean, he had no prior history. He's 15. He's 15. It came on right after the COVID shots. I see POTS. So POTS is when the blood pressure drops suddenly or goes up real high suddenly for no clear trigger and your pulse may be erratic as well. That's been a big thing with the COVID patients. That's very difficult to fix. I've seen a lot of neurological.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
The government is upset because people are not buying it. People are not getting, there's very low uptake, very low interest or suspicion of these shots. So in March, they started their PR campaign, the government. They went after ivermectin. The FDA put something on their website about you can't use ivermectin for COVID. That Biden doled out $11.5 billion to groups around the country.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
postural orthostatic hyper or temporal hyper postural orthostatic syncope.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But so, so you feel faint. So you may just be standing there and your blood pressure drops or, or your, or your pulse goes up way high and you feel like you're having a panic attack, that sort of thing. So it's symptomatic changes in your blood pressure that occur without any kind of trigger.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, yeah. And it's very hard to treat. So I see a lot of that. I've seen neurological tremors.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Oh yeah, yeah, no, no.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I saw a patient a little bit older than me, CEO of a company. He came in and he gave me his business card and he said, hi, I'm this so-and-so. And he gave me his other card and he go, and this is the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life. He gave me his vaccine card. Very difficult to, I mean, we've gotten a little bit of improvement, but just, you know, and a lot of fatigue.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Whole body, his whole body.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
A lot of these patients say they feel a lot of burning, like pins and needles when they sleep. which is typical with neuropathy. That sounds like a life destroyer. No, yeah, it's bad. And they don't just, it's not like giving them an antibiotic and a week later they're better. These are chronic conditions. And the government's not helping.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So, you know, Breon Dressen of React 19, I don't know if she, so React 19 is a organization started to help the injured from, you know, with the COVID shots. The head of that organization was involved in the AstraZeneca trial. So she was a, she volunteered to be a guinea pig and she got injured. Government just came out and said they're not going to help her.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
They're not going to give her any kind of financial reimbursement.
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Maybe a week or two ago.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Companies have no liability risk with these products. And the PrEP Act even further protects them.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It does not expire until 2029.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Anything that's designated as a countermeasure is protected. So anything that happens in the hospitals, anything that happens from these shots, it's all protected from liability. There is one really monumental lawsuit going on that could change that. Brooke Jackson is a whistleblower for Pfizer, and she was involved in the research. So she was at the clinical trial sites.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
She was the manager, and she was seeing all sorts of issues with the way they were conducting the trial. And she brought that to the company's attention. She brought that to the FDA's attention and she was fired. So she has been in this gigantic legal battle against Pfizer for a long time now. I think we're going on four years. And unfortunately, and this was during Biden, the DOJ stepped in and
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
and basically said, no, you can't sue Pfizer. It's crazy.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
The DOJ stuck up for Pfizer, which is not usually how that works.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Exactly.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It doesn't seem very radical to me. Seems like common sense.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, you look at, OK, what was their past history? Do they have any issues? Were they otherwise healthy? And then when did these things start happening? And the timeline. And then the other thing is they typically go to other doctors and they get the million dollar workup and they can't find anything to explain it. And the doctors are baffled. They put them on psychiatric medications.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Initially, it started with 275. It went up to 17,000. Influencers, church groups, sports leagues, all sorts of people just just funneling out taxpayer money to go after doctors like myself that were spreading misinformation and to, you know, this is you push people to get these COVID shots. So that happened in the spring and.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Oh, yeah. I saw one patient on a sleeping pill, a benzodiazepine and an antidepressant.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Mm-hmm.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes. Yes. They don't get reported to VAERS. I've had to report every single patient that came to see me for an injury. Even though they'd seen multiple other doctors, it was me that had to report it to VAERS. So I know it's underreported.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah. It's not subtle. If you look on there, you don't have to have a degree in statistics to understand what's going on. I mean, it's like nothing's happening and then whoosh, you know, just – It's not subtle.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
COVID!
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Not to my knowledge. I mean, I could have missed that, but no.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
There's probably people that have access to that data, but publicly it's hard. And so I have to rely. I don't see a ton of cancer in my practice, but I do have friends at MD Anderson, and they said they've never seen anything like it. The young people coming in with very advanced tumors, I think that's what we have to be worried about now.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So Houston Methodist Hospital, and that's where I had privileges, they were the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots. And this was April 1st, 2021. And this was the exact day that Biden announced COVID-19 community core, that multi-billion dollar propaganda effort. I think it was very purposeful. I think the mandate started in Houston for a reason.
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Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It could be there could be an agenda behind it. It could just be a total inefficiency of the bureaucracy. It's hard to say. But yeah, it'd be nice if we could have more data.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, it is. But, you know, it's it's also I guess it's complicated in some degrees to get it all out there. But, yeah, transparency would be even more. aside from the cancer numbers. I mean, like I said, with COVID, there are all these hospitals that had so much data at their disposal and didn't share it.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It'd be nice to see, you know, Houston Methodist come out and share their data with us since they were the first, they led the way with the mandates. It'd be nice to see how successful that effort was for their employees and for their patients.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I actually sued them to get that data.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I lost.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I don't know. It was just political grounds, I think. I sued to get their financial data because as a nonprofit, they are supposed to give it to you if somebody from the public wants to know. This is what they get in exchange for not paying property taxes. Right, right, right, right. But there was some technicality. I don't understand really why we lost, but we did.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
We even appealed and we lost on appeal.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I think people are feeling more empowered, which is how they should be. I mean, they're not listening to the government for their health care decisions anymore. I think people have learned from that mistake. And, you know, I haven't lost all hope. I'm grateful, you know... There was a time where I couldn't even... I was banned from Twitter. I don't know if you were.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But, you know, we are... Free speech is coming back.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right. Right. Well, and, you know, we're making. Hey, I'm grateful to you for having me on here because this is old news to most people. Right. And, you know, we just need to keep speaking out. We just need to keep. I mean, my foot is on the pedal, you know, even though there is no pandemic anymore. But we must just keep pounding away at this.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I think that they knew if they could get away with the mandates in Texas, they could get away with them anywhere.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I think, you know, the money is there for the treatment, not for the cause. Right. So it is, you know, there's lots of money. It's just going towards.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
He was, you know, he...
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right. But this is not I mean, this is financially driven. So if you're in it to make money, you're going to go after the treatment, not the cause.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
It's been very difficult, but it's been impactful. And... In some ways, I'm glad it happened. It's been very educational. And I have hope that it will change. It may take another generation, but COVID should be the wake-up call. And the seeds were there before COVID, but COVID brought it all out there. And hopefully, we could actually learn from it and change course.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, he was a little slow to act. I mean, he was on board with Methodist. In fact, I have the CEO of Methodist, Dr. Mark Boom, on camera saying that Governor Abbott wanted them to get a shot in every arm. That's according to the CEO of Methodist. But, you know, he did come through eventually, but... This is early on. So then that summer started having all these breakthrough cases.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah. I mean, I... What I've realized is I made a lot of assumptions about vaccines. It was the gospel according to vaccines. When I was in training, there was no questioning it. It was just accepted fact. They were safe and effective. And COVID made me realize, well, hold on, let's see how they were tested. And they have not been tested like other products on the market.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So they don't have placebo-controlled trials.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No, not like the other products on the market. And they don't have liability protection. So the companies are not motivated.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, sorry. Yes. So the companies are not motivated. There's no repercussion if something goes wrong. And there's no reason for it to spend a lot of money to ensure that it's safe. So now, you know, I have... questions about all of them. Now, I will say I'm not seeing the carnage from flu shot that I've seen with the COVID shot. I think there's a different degree of danger there.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
But it does make me question it all. And if you look at the flu shot, in fact, has never been shown to decrease hospitalization or death in people that get the flu shot. And it actually makes you more susceptible to other viruses. And you can treat it. So
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, remove their liability protection. Do you have liability protection? Do I?
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No, no, I don't actually.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, yeah, it'd be nice.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Exactly. That would be great.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah. So, I mean, just make them go through the process any other product has to go through. It's not very complicated.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Apparently, it was in 1986 when Reagan put the act in place. I guess there were two companies that almost got just decimated financially because of all the kickback, the lawsuits. That should have been a warning sign.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And I was seeing it because I was testing people. So I started to track people by their vaccination status. And I saw that the vaccinated outnumbered the unvaccinated and they were just as sick, if not sicker. So I brought this to the attention of Houston Methodist.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
People that were coming to my office to get tested.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, we can get to that. Yeah. Because I mean, I'm independent. So it allowed me to do things that other doctors can't do. But I was actually collaborating with Methodist. I was sharing my data with them because I had so many, I mean, basically I was just, all I saw was COVID for a few years. And we were trying to get the data published. So we had a good relationship.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So I reached out and I said, hey, are you seeing what I'm seeing? Like these, all these breakthrough cases. At the same time, I had all these people coming to me very distraught about the mandates. Because we were ahead of the time, right? This was before the rest of the country was mandating the shots. But in Houston, a lot of people at Houston Methodist, they employ about 30,000 people.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
very distraught over these mandates um and then i and then i see that they're not working at that time i wasn't seeing the injuries and at that time i was just very vocal against the mandates so
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I, you know, in August, late August of 2021, FDA put out the infamous horse tweet, and that's the attractive healthcare worker nuzzling the horse and says, seriously, y'all, you're not a horse, you're not a cow, stop it. Tweet went viral. That's right. That's when Joe Rogan got smeared for taking ivermectin.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And then right after that, Biden mandated the shots and they took away monoclonal antibodies. So it's all very orchestrated.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Right. But if you have monoclonal antibodies available as an option, people are going to do that rather than get the shot. So that's why, in my opinion, that's why they took away the monoclonal antibodies.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
They worked great. I mean, it was.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, in my opinion, definitely.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So their response was one sentence and said, well, we think the shots are there to lessen the severity. Well, interestingly enough, they've never shared their data, their hospital data. And being the first in the country to mandate the shots, you know they're sitting on an enormous amount of data.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
And if the shots had been effective in preventing transmission or lowering the severity, then they should have shared that. They would have shared that. They would have been screaming that from the rooftops if it fits their agenda. But they've been very quiet about that. So, you know, I had, you know, all these things, all these patients coming to me very distraught.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
I had one patient come to me and tell me that her urologist at Houston Methodist called her and said, you're going to need to find a new urologist if you don't get the COVID shots. And she had a history of bladder cancer. So she was very upset and she was calling me to try to find a new urologist that I won't treat you.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Well, he said that the department was talking, having discussions about not treating patients that were unvaccinated.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
No, this is at Houston Methodist Hospital.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes. That's what he told this patient.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yeah, well, we saw all sorts of moral issues during the pandemic.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Crimes. So, yeah, that happened. And then on the exact same day, I got a notice from a surgery center where I operate that I'd have to get the COVID shot to continue operating. And then on the same day, I got a notice from this hospital where I was trying to help the sheriff's deputy. They had a court order to give me emergency temporary privileges so that I could give him ivermectin.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
The wife sued. And she was, you know, last ditch effort. Let a dying man try ivermectin.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Yes. I testified. She asked me to testify. I testified. Senator Bob Hall testified. We won. And the court was ordered to give me emergency temporary privileges. And then I was to either myself personally give the ivermectin to him or have a nurse do it because they thought it was too dangerous for one of their own members to do it.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
With ivermectin, which is insane. Anyway, I got a notice that they were going to deny my privileges, even though, I mean, I've never been sued for malpractice, spotless record. They made me get letters of recommendation. They made me submit my surgical case logs. They just fought tooth and nail to make the whole process as difficult as they could.
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And the lawyers ended up having to go back to the judge and fight with, you know, fight with them over just giving me privileges. Whereas, you know, at that time, there was a shortage. You know, they needed doctors to work in the hospitals anymore.
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And if I under other circumstances, if I had just shown up and said, hey, I want to help out in the ICU, they would have granted me privileges the same day. There wouldn't have been any kind of letters or recommendation or surgery.
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No. So this is interesting. So the lawyers that were doing this case, Ralph Lorigo and Beth Parlato, they did 189 cases around the country. Similar situation. The spouse is suing the hospital to try to get their loved one ivermectin in this last ditch effort to save their lives. Half of those people, they won the case. And in the cases where they won, all but three patients died.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
In the cases where they lost, all the patients died. I mean, it's really amazing. And apparently the judges, their political party, matched the outcome of the trial. So the Republican judges were the ones that ruled in favor of the plaintiff. And then the Democrat judges were the ones that ruled against the plaintiff.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So, you know, we, there was a lot of back and forth. It was very confusing. It was very, happening very quickly. And, you know, his life is on the line. And they basically, the lawyers told me, you have the green light. We're gonna go ahead. We can go. It's all good. Everything's cleared. So I send the nurse to the hospital and she's greeted by the police and the hospital administrator.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
and turned away. And he never is allowed to get the ivermectin. They appealed and managed to get a stay on the order. And then on appeal, they lost. So the wife, luckily she was able to go into the hospital every day, which was unusual. Most spouses didn't get to do that, but that was one good thing. And this was at Texas Hughley Hospital in Fort Worth.
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Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
So she applied ivermectin to him topically every day without the hospital knowing. The hospital tied up his feeding tube because they didn't want her sneaking anything in. They put towels and rubber bands around it so that nothing could be snuck in.