For decades, white South Africans ruled with an iron fist, overseeing the country’s apartheid system of racial oppression.Why is President Trump now welcoming them to the United States as victims?John Eligon, the Johannesburg bureau chief for The New York Times, explains how the MAGA movement became obsessed with Afrikaners.Guest: John Eligon, the Johannesburg bureau chief for The New York Times.Background reading: The road to Mr. Trump’s embrace of white South Africans.White South Africans granted refugee status by Mr. Trump arrived in the U.S. last week.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Ilan Godfrey for The New York Times Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Chapter 1: Why is Trump welcoming white South Africans as refugees?
From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily. For decades, white South Africans ruled with an iron fist, overseeing the country's cruel system of racial oppression. So why is President Trump now welcoming them to the U.S. as victims? Today, John Eligo on how the MAGA movement became obsessed with AfriConners. It's Monday, May 19th. John, welcome back to The Daily.
Hi, good to be here. I don't know if you remember this, but the last time we spoke was four years ago, almost to the month, because in the middle of the interview, my wife began to give birth to our son.
Oh, wow.
She went into labor, and we did not finish the conversation.
Well, hopefully we don't have that problem again this time.
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Chapter 2: What led to the suspension of the refugee program?
No, no, no chance. So, on to the topic at hand. John, since taking office, the Trump administration has really systematically shut down the programs that designate and bring refugees into the United States from around the world. And then a few days ago, the White House made a pretty big exception to that. But I want you to just start with the shutting down process for just a moment.
Yeah, so essentially when Trump came into office, we know he had this flurry of executive orders that he signed. And among those executive orders was an order that essentially suspended the refugee program. So this is essentially the program where you have... People who are in war-torn places like Sudan, where we've been driven from Sudan.
People in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where there's an ongoing war for decades now. Tens of thousands of Afghans who had been approved, they had been screened, and they'd been ready to come over to the U.S. to be resettled. But by suspending the program, you essentially stop all that.
And can you remind us what President Trump's rationale was for doing that?
Yeah. His broad rationale is that, hey, this is something that threatens the interests of the United States. So they've talked about how bringing in refugees who are not properly vetted for security reasons could come in and harm the country.
And there's also been talk about economically what it could do to the country, that the country could be overburdened and overwhelmed with foreigners, and that can really hamper the country rather than help it.
Right. And I think that brings us to this very surprising scene we saw just a few days ago.
Yeah, so even though Trump suspended this refugee program... It is such an honor for us to receive you here today. This is the land of the free.
We had dozens of refugees arriving at Dulles Airport, and they certainly did not look like all of those who'd been suspended from coming.
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