Jason
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
We crushed your questions. Admit it. We are giving people ground truth data to underwrite your own opinion. What do you guys think? That was fun. That was great.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
interesting kind of points of tension and conflict and behavioral shifts that maybe are undesirable or that are different than what we've had as a species in the past. And so much of like how we're wired, how our brains work in the context of modern technology, modern society is causing some behavioral system changes that maybe are a bit scary. Does that sound like a fair way to describe the art?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I want to accumulate likes and views. And I want to come back to this point about status that you made earlier. And I want to kind of relate it to... human history as well, because it's really important to understand where that comes from, where does status as a desire come from?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And so can you blame them, right? It was kind of like- This is my point about like instant access. I've always had this belief that the Zen Buddhists got it right. They always had it right. There are two key aspects of human nature that if you can address those, you solve all the world's problems, which is desire and dualism, dualistic thinking.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And the aspect of desire that plays out in this context is I, at any given moment now, have access or can see, can create a desire for something that I would, if I was sitting in a village without a phone, I wouldn't have a desire to be on a private jet.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But now I'm sitting on this phone, I'm seeing this funniest moment or this most beautiful person or this incredible experience that I am not a part of. I am not in, I don't get it. Instant desire creation for me.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
So the dopamine aspect, I also question as anticipatory because I think, I don't know if it was your book or some other research I've read about dopamine being released in anticipation, not necessarily in the satisfaction of acquisition. That the acquisition of something always feels a little bit Okay, I got it. Whereas the moment right before you get it, it's when you get the best opening.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But I do think like this point about is status a point of desire, right? So I don't know that I want something until I see someone else with it. Like that becomes the notion of desire for me.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And that plays into like I see someone with a million likes on their photo. I don't have a million likes on my photo. So I suddenly want that, like that creates a new emptiness in my spirit that didn't exist before, or in my brain that didn't exist before, that then I'm on this constant circuit looking for how do I do something that creates a million likes?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Because that's something that others have that I don't have.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But there's always been this notion of celebrity and kind of, you know, like this, the celebrity replaced the monarchy, replaced the church, whatever. But nowadays with the influencer culture, the celebrity is accessible, meaning I have access to being in that state. So it creates this deep, dark hole for me, at least this is my read on it, that I can't I'm not in that state, but I should be.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I could be. Therefore, I have this deep emptiness because theoretically, I could be that person. It's not like there's a caste system. It's not like there's a monarchy where your blood determines whether or not you get to be a king or the church where the Lord determines whether you get to be in charge. In this case, someone got there, but I'm not there. So I get to see.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And not only that, but my reference library historically was like four to six sitcoms a week. Now my reference library is four to six TikTok videos a minute. And I'm just like, suddenly there's all these different things that I don't have and statuses that I don't, that I haven't accumulated. Should we talk about...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
So from an institutional perspective, fair enough. Yeah. I thought about this deeply, like outside of the context of your book that, you know, humans in the last kind of century and a half have had this kind of industrial production thrust upon us, then digital media thrust upon us, and then open markets and globalization thrust upon us.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I've got to imagine that the reaction has been amazing to anyone that's not gone through this problem as children, right? Like you, if you, have you, have you talked to the, um, the Gen Z about the proposal?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
What is the connection between Beams and Coddling of the American Mind and the Anxious Generation and what we see on college campuses recently. So can you comment on the protests, the recent activities on campus and maybe help us kind of understand, is there a difference or is this a continuation?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
So my previous book, The Coddling of the American Mind began when my friend- Which by the way, I gave a copy to everyone at our summit last year. So we gave away 1,800 copies of your book. It was my pick, yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
all of which give us kind of instant access to knowledge about the state of the world in a way that we've never had. Historically, humans maybe saw a family, maybe their village. It wasn't like mass communication, but with digital media, I can see the good life of someone on a private jet
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
1000 miles away, and I can live stream their private jet experience, I can theoretically order a Louis Vuitton bag and have it arrive in a couple of hours, if only I had the means that creates this kind of like tension, I can have any experience I want to because of the system of markets that have kind of put in place.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
This is my point about like dualistic thinking, like the whole core of like the Zen Buddhist approach is to get rid of the sides in a system. But can you talk a little bit about this oppressor oppressed concept and how critical it is to social behavior and now social evolution. I've thought a lot about this over the last year.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And I feel like so much of human societal development, politics, purchasing behavior is all driven by this concept of oppressor and oppressed, which can be approximated as the haves and the have-nots. And at any given moment, I can feel like a have-not to some other have. And theoretically, I'm a have to someone else who's a have-not.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
My have not identity drives me to purchasing, to getting likes on Facebook, to changing who's in office, to deciding which company I should spend money on and which company I should not spend money on. And that this notion extends its way into feeling oppressed, meaning there's a system in place that's keeping me from having something that someone else has.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And maybe you can talk a little bit about has this changed? Has this always been in human psychology? Is this changing because of modernity and why? would be great.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And I think like historically took generations for things like the Bible or the Quran or monarchical systems to kind of permeate and, you know, kind of make society believe a certain system. But now you can kind of pump the right message to someone and shift their brain and things change quite considerably.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
No, it seems accurate. Giving the pendulum is shifting. What do you see broadly socially right now? Are we still in this loop where we are creating oppressor
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
oppressed kind of constructs perpetuating policy or are folks in the left saying it's gone too far it's time to make a change now folks are feeling because i've seen a lot of folks that have traditionally been i'm not a i'm not a politics guy i'm not a in a political party or anything
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But I've seen like a lot of folks who I know who are traditionally Democratic voters, Democrat voters who are now Republican voters after what's happened over the last couple of years. Surprisingly, shockingly, would have never sworn that would have been the case 10 years ago. Are things changing now? Is that sort of shift going to be what pulls things policy-wise the other way?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Just subtly racist. Can you talk a little bit about what traditional liberalism and conservatism should look looks like? Because a lot of people in our public audience, a lot of people I talk to, they're confused now about the terms because so much of traditional liberalism feels illiberal because of your point about far left behavior.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Traditional conservatism feels illiberal because of far right behavior. What is the difference between the two and kind of help us bring balance to the force?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
The first industrial revolution, yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
A lot of people discard it. They don't pay as much attention to it. It's not that big compared to what's happening now.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I think that was such an excellent commentary for people to hear. I want to ask one follow-on, which is, why has liberalism and conservatism in some aspects switched? One of the things I think a lot of folks observe is that modern liberalism
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
is a lot of redistribution, equality for the oppressed, bring everyone up to the same outcome, the same level on an outcome basis, which limits the freedom and flexibility of others. It limits free markets, for example. You know, more taxes, more regulations is one way to characterize that, that conservatives will say. More taxes and more regulation is not John Stuart Mill.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
It's not more free market enablement. And then on the flip side, this idea of conservatives want to have less government, less regulation, less taxes, which can drive more inequality of outcome, et cetera, can drive, in fact, Fundamentally, and I believe this very deeply, free markets drive progress, technological progress and social progress.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And as a result, by getting technology out, the most disempowered benefit the most by new technology. They can progress more than the wealthy can progress. And so why has that flipped? Why is conservatism and liberalism in some aspects flipped? And when did that happen?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Can we do some quick lightning round questions on parenting? So my kids are, I got three daughters under seven. There's a conversation amongst the parents. When do you let the kids get phones? When do you let them get on social media? And some of the parents don't listen. So then the kid, you got a couple of kids in the class that are on social media. They're on iPhones.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
It's fifth grade, fourth grade, whatever. And the kids that aren't are the have-nots. They're left out. They're not able to be on the text screen with the kids that are. So they're not cool. They're socially disengaged. They're angry at their parents. They're sad. How do you address that as a parent?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
where you've got some of the kids in the class that are doing this, given the framing you provided earlier on the best rules.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But then if some of the parents don't agree, and then you've got this class system that forms amongst the social, you know, groups of the kids, you got some kids that are, that have this. You just hold the line.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Very flat. Yeah, very flat. Yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Yeah, variable rewards.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Can you just hit on why, from an evolutionary biology perspective, we are wired this way? What is the wiring that's being tapped into here?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
It's great to have you, John. Thanks for joining us. I know you've done a lot of media lately, and a lot of it has focused on the anxious generation, which has obviously got some really important topical conversations embedded within it and that people are now having because of it. I first read the happiness hypothesis years ago.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
In fact, in one of our first episodes of the All In pod back in 2020, I referenced it and I referenced some material from the happiness hypothesis. my general take on the themes of your work is evolutionary biology meets modernity. Does that sound like a reasonable take that the nature of the human being in a modern age causes these really
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Thanks for taking the time.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, what are we doing?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Got it. Next to the ocean. Next to the ocean. Because there's a little bit of water there too.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Professor Mirsham, if we were to take Jeffrey's position here that we are exerting power for the sake of our reputation and, in fact, to weaken dictatorships, if I'm summarizing correctly here, is that not a good strategy to weaken dictators around the world who might like to invade other countries?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Is there a framing in which you could see that being for a world where democracy and people living freely has gone down in our lifetimes? Is that not noble? Is there not a justification somebody could make for it? I'm not saying I have that, but I'm just trying to steal me on the other side of this. Is weakening dictators and despots a good strategy? It depends.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Well, let's talk about the two that we have, you know, Xi Jinping. I think you wanted to get to eventually. And then Ukraine and Putin. Are these people worth trying to, you know, contain or even weaken?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
OK, so containment check.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
So you gave him a B? Or B plus? A minus.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
They do seem to have a big interest, Jeff, in Africa, India, Russia. And they are.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
China has a major interest.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Well, they're building nuclear power plants in trade and they're building debt loads with those countries.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
There is one player on this chessboard that hasn't come up yet. And maybe we could skate to where the puck is going. You know, when you talk about the South China Sea, OK, sure, South Korea, Japan, Australia, all of those major players there, they're just a couple of hundred million people. But then China is in population decline. Xi apparently is self-destructing in terms of trade.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Seems like containment is working pretty well there because of the all the self-inflicted wounds But the fastest growing country the fastest growing economy the quickest to develop is India and they seem to have a very pragmatic approach Hey, they'll buy cheap oil from Putin and they are their own sovereign country with their own point of view Would we not be really well advised over the next 10 to 20 years to make that our priority and India's role in this?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
How do you look at them?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
But Jeffrey, if they were making our iPhones.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Jeffrey, we're making our iPhones in India now. Is that not significantly important? Say it again. We're moving iPhone production. Cooper, maybe Cooper, you're into economics here and that impact. You got Apple moving out of China. You've got Japan funding people leaving China to Vietnam and to India. Is that not the solution here as we decouple from China?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
It seems like they come back to the table. We had Xi Jinping kick all the venture capitalists, all investment out of China. He got rid of all the education startups. And then whatever, two or three years later, he's in San Francisco asking all of us to invest more money and say, where'd you go?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
It seems like there's a lot of self-inflicted wounds.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
This is the best panel I've ever been on in my life. Can we just add ten minutes? We've got to add five or ten minutes. Is this the best panel ever?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
On that note, thank you. Let me just say, Jeffrey and John, now I know why Sachs will not stop talking about you two. This was the most amazing panel of the event so far. Give it up for Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Professor Mearsheimer, I... When we talk about power, there are other people in the world who are trying to accumulate power. We live in a multipolar world right now, and they have, in some cases, very nefarious or bad intent, and they do not have democracy. So it's one thing to tell people in Afghanistan, you need to evolve to be a perfect democracy like the one we have here.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
I think we all agree that's unrealistic and insane and not practical. But what about the free countries of the world uniting together to stop dictators from invading other free countries? Is that noble? Is that a good use of power and a good framework for America to evolve to?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
What I'm proposing is when dictatorships invade other countries, then we take action.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Maybe defend them. It depends. Yeah, of course.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
No, I would say diplomacy would obviously be what we'd want to exhaust, but if they do roll into other free countries, I think there's an argument for the free countries of the world to get together and say, two dictators, we're not gonna allow this.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
Yes.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
Delaware.
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Big Fed rate cuts, AI killing call centers, $50B govt boondoggle, VC's rough years, Trump/Kamala
Yes.
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Big Fed rate cuts, AI killing call centers, $50B govt boondoggle, VC's rough years, Trump/Kamala
has gone crazy with it. Love you, Wes.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
And so the reason this is so important is because these things cost a lot of money. And when they land here, you can clean them up. And I guess his goal is to have them take off again after he fills them with propellant an hour later, Friedberg. So on a science basis, this is extraordinary. If this works and you can start lifting these rockets.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
I think we should all be in Mar-a-Lago.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Oh my God. Can you imagine being in Mar-a-Lago and he loses?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, it's going to be amazing. And they're going to do some, I guess, new stuff with Starlink, some even lower Earth orbit satellites that go even faster and have less latency. So that's going to be super exciting.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
It could be the largest subscription business in the history of humanity. I think the largest ones right now are like Netflix, you know, 250,000. Disney Plus, 150, Verizon, 100 million. So yeah, it could be hundreds of millions of subscribers. It could even be the first 500 million subscriber product in the world.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, obviously. It's crazy.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Chamath, any thoughts on the robo van or the A cyber cab, the Model 2, I guess some people are calling it, but it's, you know, the cyber cab specifically not calling it number two and doesn't have a steering wheel or pedals. I would have bought two of those immediately if it had a steering wheel and pedals. I want to drive it. Yeah, it looks like the hybrid of like a Model Y and the Cybertruck.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
So I kind of really love the aesthetics of it.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, you like it?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Well, in fairness, he did hurt some people's feelings with posting of memes. So yeah, I mean, it's, it makes no sense. Like the guy's like gonna save 30,000 road debts a year in the United States with self-driving and people are losing their minds over a couple of memes or who he's voting for for president. I don't think you have to worry about that.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
You can just look at the products, they speak for themselves. Anything, Sachs, any response on the Tesla front? Any thoughts on the bus or Optimus?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah. I love the bus, Freebird. I think that thing could become like mobile homes are, you know, ADUs, and you could just send them to... Can we buy them or no? Well, no, not right now, but I think that might be, you know, that's going to be a big question.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah. Well, see, if this was a platform like the Mercedes Sprinter vans have become that you see a lot in Europe, then you could buy an empty one of these. It's got enough battery life to last a month. And then let's say you had your in-laws over and there was one that was set up as like a one bedroom.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
You could click on Airbnb or, you know, Tesla BNB, press a button and the thing could drive to your driveway. You could rent it for a week and then it could leave. Or let's say 1,000 people or 10,000 people were displaced because of a hurricane free bird.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
You could send 100,000 of these to the parking lots at Walmart, which typically does a good job in feeding people and getting them supplies after hurricanes, since those are so ubiquitous. You could put 100 of these in every parking lot and have a place for people who are fleeing natural disasters to stay.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
So I thought that was like the most compelling product of the whole thing for me was the possibility of a sled, like a skiff that you could do anything you want with. would be really exciting for society. So congratulations to the team. And it's going to take a while, but I could see them having that robo-taxi.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
I saw that. He's in charge of all AI?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Oh, okay. Well, there it is.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Oh, you did?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
And are you using the FSD? I use FSD every day.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, that's...
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
With all of my Teslas, I put it in chill mode because when it's in that Plaid mode or whatever, like coffee goes fine.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
But if you have passengers, the kids in the backseat would get literally nauseous because it's too fast. You got to be careful with the passengers there. It's so fast.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
All right. Well, there you have it. Robo Taxi Star. We didn't get to it last week. We almost put the show back a day or two just to do it. In other news, Uber is exploring a bid to purchase Expedia. Breaking news. This was dispelled as we got here on the show. They said this was like very preliminary third party talks and that there's no serious talks going on about this.
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Financial Times reported that that advisors were trying to look at if a deal structure would be possible between Uber and Expedia. Expedia's got a $20 billion market cap. They popped 8% on the news, obviously. Uber, on the other hand, trading at $170 billion market cap or so. That dropped 3%. If you didn't know, Dara was the CEO of Expedia from 2005 to 2017. He's still on the board.
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And it looks like this was a trial balloon. You know Uber's two biggest businesses, Rides and Uber Eats, but they also do freight and train bookings. Dara's been pretty clear he wants to create a super app like you have in China or some other markets.
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Expedia's got a lot of cool products, Hotels.com, Orbitz, Travelocity, and I think the most interesting one, Freiburg, you and I were talking about, this is VRBO, Vacation Rental by Owner. It was like Airbnb before Airbnb existed. And if you look at this chart, since Dara left, the Dara effect, Expedia has gone exactly sideways. The revenue has grown modestly. What do you think of this deal?
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Chamath, I'll just go right to you with this one, since you like to... Stupid. Stupid. Okay. There you have it, folks. Reason number one, it's stupid. And reason number two, it's stupid.
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I would agree with you. And there's other things they could buy, like WeRide or Pony AI and a bunch of these AI companies that are doing self-driving. So why not double down on that? Freeburg, the one thing you and I talked about was kind of VRBO, which is a very cool marketplace. And that feels directly in the Uber kill zone.
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What do you think about them just maybe carving out and buying VRBO and having an Airbnb?
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I think that's what's going to happen. I've been hearing rumblings of that.
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Yep.
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There are a large number of people who maybe don't have a, you know, an assistant to book their hotels in advance. And like that would be most people, J. Calhoun.
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Well, no, but they already have a hotels.com partnership. And then the Uber One membership's been growing pretty nicely. And the advertising's doing a billion dollars a year. And that is just a money printing machine because you know that this person's in an Uber Black. You know that they're going to the Four Seasons. Like these users who are, you know,
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Uber Eats is working pretty well. It's working great. Yeah, the cross promotion is working.
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Yeah.
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I think the hotel's integration is good.
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Yeah, the thing that I've talked to Dara about is when they said he told me when they do something that's adjacent to what they're already doing, it explodes in terms of engagement. So like, they're doing like teens and rental cars, and then package delivery. And every time they do one of those adjacencies, it just takes off with the membership.
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And to your point, Freeberg, they have those 150 customers who have their credit cards in there. And man, it's explosive. So that's what I think they're doing.
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I think hotels would be. I don't think flights would be because I think the flights work really well with the existing apps. But things where you have proprietary inventory like VRBO or hotels, I think those would be very powerful. And those have 20%, 30% commissions, which are in line with the commission's
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That Uber's already getting and the commissions on things like flights is very small, like a couple of dollars. So I think for hotels and VRBO would be brilliant. For the other stuff, I'm not so sure. To your point, Chamath.
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Well, the thing I, you know, I would, the counter I would give to this.
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I use the Bomboy app to book hotels. I use United to book my flights and I use Uber to do my rides and obviously for Eats. When you are using it, there's a tab up top. And the UI is quite nice in Uber where it's rides and eats right next to each other. I could see a third one like hotels or travel being right there. And all of a sudden, yum, yum, you just get all that inventory right in there.
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And I frequently will book my hotel and I'll book my ride for the next day in advance on Uber. And I do those things. And then when I get to my hotel, I'm ordering food to my room. So I think this actually could work really well as a third tab in the app for travel. And you could actually because when you use eats in the Uber app, it's its own tab. And it's the exact same experience.
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I believe in super apps. And they just launched a bus that's like a bus service in New York for 18 bucks to go to JFK. That's really awesome. I think we're a little bit disconnected because we don't book our own travel. But okay, let's keep moving here. Down the docket. All right, this big tech investing in nuclear power is off to the races.
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Amazon just announced a $500 million investment in three nuclear power projects. All of these are focused on SMRs. Those are the small modular reactors. Amazon is working with dominion energy to develop a small modular nuclear reactor. near an existing nuclear power plant in Virginia. In total, Amazon plans to invest $35 billion in Virginia-based data centers by 2040.
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And they want to power these by SMRs. And this is a big trend. Google is purchasing energy directly from Kairos. Power, another company building SMRs. Microsoft, as you heard, is reviving one of the Three Mile Island nuclear power plants. So this is kind of interesting, Shabab. We went from...
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Nuclear not being on the table, everybody being against it, the Germans shutting down their reactors post-Fukushima. And now big tech is the customer for these with AI, and they're putting down very large deposits and payments to build them in America. And I haven't heard any opposition.
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Maybe you could just speak to Chamath, what we've seen here in terms of opposition to these versus the opportunity and everybody's writing checks.
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Freeberg, your thoughts on SMRs and these customers showing up? And then I guess you could comment on the nature of the deal structure here, because some of them are you know, contingent on the nuclear power plant turning on. Some of them do have deposits, is my understanding. We'll look that up and fact check it. There could be a range of deals here.
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Sacks, if we are able to get a bunch of these SMRs built here in the United States, maybe if Europe follows suit, what would this do on a geopolitical basis into our relationship with the Middle East, our energy independence, and of course, the AI race to you know, general intelligence. I'll let you take it whichever direction you want to go.
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It is the chocolate. I mean, I like the mocha. This one's chocolate. Okay. Mocha's good, too. All right.
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So you think they'll get blocked by local communities?
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Your take on a non-binary trans lesbian with purple hair. Whatever you're saying, no comment. Putting a small nuclear reactor 200 miles outside of Austin, Texas. Go. Put your tinfoil hat on.
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I mean, I think there's plenty of land outside of the triangle here in Texas where there is no density and you could put one and I'd have no problem with there being one a hundred miles, 200 miles.
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I mean, literally you would have to, it doesn't take that many people to service these. So yeah. I mean, I think there's plenty of space in the United States to put these and maybe Freebird, you could talk and educate us. on the safety here. Do you believe what Sachs is saying, that it's going to have a meltdown and he doesn't believe it?
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Tell us from a science perspective.
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So you believe they will go through out of necessity? That's your take.
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Would a possible solution be to give an economic incentive to the people who would be in the surrounding areas?
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Obviously, these things could be 50 or 100 miles from, you know, anybody's homes, but even the people who work there or people who might have, I don't know, some homes that were near it, could you give them no taxes, etc, etc, essentially give them incentives to allow this to go through Friedberg in your mind? Do you think that kind of incentive would work? taxes or some kind of payoff or subsidy?
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There's no filibustering there, right? Well, no, he's crisp in his answers.
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Let's do it. Let's do it right now. I mean, I think this is an important discussion.
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It's a great... Adversarial point, let's go to the facts.
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Of course, of course, of course.
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And if you just put these things 50 miles away, the radiation, even in the meltdowns, didn't go past those, is my understanding. So even if you want to, just the easiest steel man. The new systems don't melt down. You don't have that possibility. And the SMRs don't even work.
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What do you think, Chamath? Do you see it or no?
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Well, I was about to say, that would be... That's going to be the forcing. But if China runs away with this and they have so many of these running and then they're able to power AI and solve problems we're not, we're going to have to get our act together and start standing these up.
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And we have so much space in this country, these things could be 100, 200 miles away.
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In these data centers? Certainly.
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What would be the harm, and just Freeberg, maybe you can educate us, and the distance it could be from a city reasonably in terms of building a grid to move the energy from, could it be 200 miles from a major city, 300, 100? What's the distance?
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But it has to travel, right?
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Yeah, I'm just trying to think reasonably move it is, I guess, what I was getting at. But okay, there you have it, folks. A good debate here on the All In podcast.
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I was just thinking like if Canada and Mexico have, you know, economic incentive to do this or they're more bold, maybe they build them in their countries and they'll be selling it to the United States, right?
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They'll take the, I mean, if you're Kairos and you can't put this in the United States, but you could put it in Mexico and then come up with a, you know, a way to get it past Trump's border wall.
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Well, I mean, I think, Freiburg, I'm with you in that even with the disasters that have happened, those are with Gen 1 and Gen 2 reactors. There hasn't been one in a long time. And the fallout from them haven't been significant.
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No, the 3 and 4. The 3s are what we should be rolling out everywhere. I would be fine with one being 100 miles from my backyard. No problem. 100. China is producing a gigawatt of power.
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I don't think you should put it 10 miles outside of any city. I know that they're doing that in India. They're doing that in China. I would think, you know, if you look up the footprint of Fukushima, I mean, that was a complete disaster. They put that below sea level. They told them not to put it there.
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And they put it near a bunch of people who were living within miles of it, single digit miles of it. There's no reason for this to be any closer than 50 or 100 miles. And I would be totally fine with it being 50 to 100 miles from where I'm on my ranch right now. Absolutely no problem with that.
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That's why we're doing that with solar is we don't want people to look at a giant solar thing.
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We resolved our issue. We got the compromise here. Here we are solving world problems. Yes. I'm going to get my guitar and we're going to sing Kumbaya SMR.
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Let's do it.
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Any progress, Sax is not interested in any progress, okay? If we can go back to the 50s, that's what he wants. Let's get some coal.
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I'm virtue singling because I'm pro-nuclear?
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Nuclear power is a luxury belief.
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I just want to ask you, is everything identity politics for you, Sachs? Everything you see through the lens of poor and rich, everything.
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You're my favorite athlete.
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That's what it comes down to. Freeberg is trying to put this. Episode 200. I love it.
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The 200 shows. Zach, let me ask you a serious question.
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If Trump loses, what's the next four years of this pod going to be like? What are we going to do here if he loses? He's moving to New Zealand.
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Absolutely. They're going to come for you.
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What the Coastal Commission does is they block everything and they do pictures of the entire coastline. If you build like a shed on your beachfront property, they will know it and they come to you and they're like, no sheds. You cannot build any structures on the beach They're just like really, really hardcore.
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And this is one person at the Coastal Commission referenced his tweets. Yeah. And the vote was 6-4 to increase these. So who is this one person?
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Yeah, this is what I don't understand.
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And they've filed a, Elon's filed a lawsuit. And it's a 6-4 decision.
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And Trump is saying he's going to be a dictator and he's going to do a bunch of lawfare when he gets in there. So both of these sides got to settle it down. That's exactly what he said. This has been another amazing quote. Okay.
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Like, I'm just giving my opinion. I'm not allowed to give my opinion on the show. What are you grateful for right now in your life? I'm grateful for you doing all the work on the events and making them spectacular.
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Oh, God. I will totally go to Mar-a-Lago for election night. Can we get a booth there? That would be hilarious.
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Of course I'm invited. Trump loves me.
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Oh, please. Trump loves me. He enjoyed his time.
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Okay, I'll do it remote. That's fine. You can do it remote. That's fine. You don't want Jake out there? That's fine. Go with me. When is the election? I don't want to be at a party I'm not invited to.
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November 5th.
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I just hope whoever wins, wins like significantly. Significantly. Yeah, please win by 30 electoral votes.
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I mean, I'm going to reveal my vote on the election special. I will have my vote.
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I got my ballot on my desk here. Yeah, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. All right, everybody. This has been another wonderful episode. Oh, meetups. There are 200 episode meetups happening. Thank you to... All the fans who got together, take pictures and share them on social and at mention us all in dot com slash meetups.
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Every couple episodes, fans get together around the world and talk about their favorite bestie. It's typically Freiburg. And we'll see you next time. Bye bye. Bye bye.
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They've just gone crazy with it.
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Let your winners ride.
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Yeah, it would have been nice to have another debate between these two.
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Yeah. What did you think of J.D. Vance saying he wouldn't have certified the election? They seem to be going after him on that over and over again.
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No, no. Literally every interview, they've been chasing him down the hall asking him. He's like, I'm not the only person. I may have started it, but what did you think of him saying he wouldn't have started it?
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No, no, but the question I asked you, Sachs, was... ISU sacks about him saying he wouldn't certify January 6th.
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What do you think, Friedberg, about him saying he wouldn't certify on January 6th?
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Also, All In election night live stream is coming November 5th. You can watch live. Saks will be hosting. We're doing it. You're hosting it. Your team said you're doing it. And so you'll either get to see Saks.
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Yeah.
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But Freeberg, the question I was going to ask you is, since you're not like hosting Trump, you know, fundraisers, do you think, what did you think when J.D. Vance said he didn't think that Trump lost the 2020 election? Does that concern you at all?
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That's what I'm here for, Chamath. I'm here for you. Well, I mean, independent of who wins, we need to get this rules of elections really tight starting next year, I think. Make it a federal holiday. Require people to have ID. That doesn't seem like such a big deal. I don't know. Sacks, what else should happen?
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That would be amazing. I'll go to Mar-a-Lago. That would be fun. Yeah, if it looks good, I'll go.
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So anyway, Heritage Foundation, which is obviously right-leaning, has a bunch of election fraud cases they've been documenting, and they basically cannot come up with actual evidence that this is changing any election results, but we should make it above reproach. I agree. All right. Our boy Elon had a big week. Tesla unveiled two new concepts at its WeRobot event.
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And Elon caught a 23-story rocket, the Starship. Here's the robo-taxi and the robo-bus. Both of them look really awesome. And he caught one of the, I think this is the fifth Starship or the fourth launch? Fifth.
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So f***ing incredible. Look at this. It's so incredible. It's like chopsticks catching a 23-story building.
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Crypto regulation, everything. What did he say about deficit and debt?
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Sacks, you were going to say? Well, I just think what other job in America could Biden even be qualified for? What would you hire him to do? Is there any mental job you would hire him to do? Is there any physical job you would hire him to do? Would you hire him to be your babysitter? I mean, I don't think there's any job in America that anybody would hire him to do. Except for maybe president.
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It's kind of crazy. And this is where the Democratic Party is in shambles. We should have the highest standards for the mental acuity, sharpness, and energy level of our president. It's the most demanding job in the world.
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I'm not sure about that. I don't think it's true that people don't like Trump.
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So you're- Yeah, but I think it's wrong to say that There's not enthusiasm and love for Trump. We saw it on the streets. We saw it in that room.
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Do you see Logan Paul meeting with Trump four years ago? He was for Biden. Now he's for Trump. Have you ever seen Trump walk into a UFC event? They go nuts for him. I'm just saying there's a lot of enthusiasm and a lot of love out there for Trump, a lot of excitement. I don't see any of that for Biden. There are people who don't like Trump and that drives some support for Biden.
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But if you look at enthusiasm and excitement, it's all on the Trump side.
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Well, I think it's ironic that the winning margin, 73%, is the same margin by which shareholders approved his comp package back in 2018. So again, they got 73% voted for this 2018. Now they voted to re-approve it by the same margin. And the reason why they had to do it is because this activist judge in Delaware avoided it on the grounds that somehow the original shareholder vote wasn't valid.
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And I think this is interesting that the margin didn't change because it shows that shareholders aren't ingrates. Elon delivered what he promised, and now shareholders are ingrates. upholding their end of the bargain. And certainly they didn't have to take that position. There were different groups like CalSTRS who basically took the position, what have you done for me lately?
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Yeah, you delivered, but we don't have to pay you because of the judge, so we're not going to pay you. And I think shareholders wisely approved the package because I think there was some chance that if they reneged, that Elon could leave the company. And I still think he's absolutely vital to all the innovation that's gonna come in the future from Tesla.
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And you see this, the stock is ripping on the news. It's up about 3% today in a down market. So clearly the market thinks that securing Elon's future at the company was the right decision and shareholders did the right thing. In terms of the downstream effect on this, like you said, it raises the specter of Delaware being an activist state. That's not why anyone incorporates in Delaware.
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The reason why you incorporate in Delaware is because you think it makes you subject to an extremely predictable body of corporate law that's been tested and become bulletproof over many, many decades. And now all of a sudden, you have to worry that maybe a judge will set aside
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a shareholder vote for reasons that seem incredibly specious, especially in light of the fact that the shareholders just re-approved it. So obviously the shareholders didn't think they needed your protection and they voted to reverse you.
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And moreover, Tesla could still be subject to paying the legal fees of these trial lawyers who've asked for literally billions of dollars in legal fees that the judge still has to rule on. So imagine this, imagine that the shareholder vote gets set aside by the judge, it then gets re-approved by shareholders, but the trial lawyers who brought this nuisance suit can now get billions of dollars.
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If that happens, I mean, Delaware can kind of kiss its status as the premier corporate law state away.
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Make a list. That's exactly what they did. That's exactly what they did. It's worse if they voted yes the first time and then they voted no.
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Then maybe you're just against the deal. But if you're yes, no, then that's a renege.
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These are people who- They're public market investors, not private investors. They buy the stock on the open market, so they don't have to worry.
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The chances are probably- I think that was a risk, and I think that made people think about it.
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But remember, she's not investing in private companies. She's buying stock on the open market.
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Oh, okay. I didn't know that.
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Let's call this whole thing what it is. It was a heist. You had these trial lawyers. They find a name plaintiff who's got nine shares. And on a contingency fee basis, they go after Elon's pay package. What are they looking for? $5.6 billion.
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That's what motivated this whole thing. They don't care about Tesla. They don't care about the company. They don't care about shareholders. They're looking for a giant multi-billion dollar contingency fee payment. And they took their shot. And they found a Delaware judge to basically agree with them even though shareholders approved it. And then shareholders re-approved it.
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So my question is, how much are these trial lawyers gonna get? Is a judge gonna award them billions of dollars for what was clearly now a mistake to avoid a pay package that shareholders wanted to stick with?
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If they award these lawyers billions of dollars, which is what they're seeking, no one's gonna wanna do business in Delaware anymore because it subjects you to these stick-up heists by trial lawyers. So I think that's going to be the next big shooter drop is what do these trial lawyers get awarded?
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No, I'm serious. Here's an idea. Buy the shares yourself. Yeah, they said, we don't like your management of the company, but we want to be paid in your shares.
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They secured the bag. But Delaware is supposed to protect corporations against this grift. That's why people incorporate there.
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Let's go. All right. Let's get some action. Is this guy on right now? LFG.
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That's amazing. Sax is ready for another round. We turned 10 into 25. All right. So are we going to have a separate all in balance? We just keep rolling it every week. Yeah, can you come back next week? This is even rolling.
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Well, the market definitely thinks so because Apple was up big on this news. And even if it was largely vaporware at this point, the market definitely liked where they were going. And frankly, Apple did exactly what I said they should do last week, which was to reinvent Siri as an LLM with the capability to reach into apps as an agent and take actions on the user's behalf.
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That's what they effectively announced. However, Apple took a shortcut to get here. They partnered with OpenAI, and this is something that I don't think they've ever really done before at the operating system level. Apple is famous for being vertically integrated, for being a walled garden, for being end-to-end.
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They control everything from the chips to the hardware to the operating system, and they don't let anybody else in until you're at the App Store layer. This is allowing somebody in beneath the level of the App Store. This is allowing someone... Open AI to get access to your data and to control your apps at the operating system level.
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And I think Elon pointed out, wait a second, what are the privacy implications here? And I think there are major privacy implications. There's simply no way that you're going to allow an AI on your phone to take all these actions on your behalf without giving that model substantial amounts of user data. And that is a huge change for Apple. Remember, Apple in the past
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has been the advocate for consumer privacy. There's a whole issue of the San Bernardino terrorist, where the FBI went to Apple and said, we want you to give us backdoor access to their phone, and Apple refused to do it and went to court to defend user privacy.
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And furthermore, one of Apple's defenses to the arguments, the antitrust arguments for allowing sideloading and allowing other apps to get access to parts of the operating system, as they've always said, we can't do this because it would jeopardize user privacy and user security. Well, here they are opening themselves up
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to open AI in a very deep and fundamental way in order to accelerate the development of these features. In other words, they took the shortcut. They could have developed the LLM themselves. They could have developed the AI themselves, but they chose not to do that.
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And I think this is going to open Pandora's box for Apple because, again, they've proven that they can open up the operating system to a third party now. And who knows what the privacy implications of this are going to be.
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First of all, let me say that, you know, we've talked about AI General Hospital and all the soap opera issues around OpenAI. Yeah. And, you know, Judge Tax had opinions on that. Yes. But putting that aside, I mean, everyone acknowledges that their products are awesome. I mean, OpenAI makes really great products with ChatGPT 4.0 being at the top of the list.
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And I talked about how when we moved from ChatGPT 4.0 Turbo to 4.0 at Glue, the speed and quality went up, you know, at least 2x and it felt like 10x. So they have the best language model as of this point in time. And they also have other products that are really great, like the Whisper API, which does transcription. I mean, there's a whole bunch of tools they have that are great for developers.
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So nobody's taking anything away from them on the product side. And I think you're seeing that in this revenue number. Now, if I was to try and take apart this business as an investor, I would separate the B2C business from the B2B business. The B2C is a consumer subscription plan, people paying $20 a month. I'm one of them. I pay the $20 a month.
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It's probably the only LLM that I would pay $20 a month for. How often do you use it? Daily, weekly, monthly? I'd say a handful of times. To be honest, it's not like a daily use for me, but I probably use it every week, I would say, at least once. So I still use it. I have to say, though, that the other LLMs are catching up.
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And if Gemini ever gets good enough or when Grok gets to the next level, am I going to stick with that $20 a month plan? I'm not sure. It depends whether OpenAI can really... maintain the leadership it has or the perception of leadership. Okay, so that's half the business. And then the other part of the business is the B2B, which is the API products that effectively they're selling to developers.
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And that's where I would place the future value of this company. I mean, as somebody who invests in SaaS, when we see a business that has B2C subscriptions and B2B, we place all the value on B2B. And the reason is because Historically, the churn rates in B2C are too high. 5% to 10% churn rates are common. 50% a year per month. 50% churn a year are very common.
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OpenAI may not be experiencing that yet, but it's very hard to avoid the downdraft of consumer churn. And on the other hand, on the B2B side, a good B2B business has expansion, 120%, 150% expansion year over year from same customers. In other words, they're ordering more.
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Yeah. The first thing I'd want to know is how much of the $3.4 billion is consumer and how much of it is developers?
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Collaborative AI.
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That's interesting. So you use multiple LLMs to find the hallucinations.
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That's actually pretty interesting.
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But you're not going to pay for four of these, right? How many would you be willing to pay for? I would pay for five. You'd pay for five different LLMs?
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Well, as a work tool. Because it's 1% of their salary. Okay, so as a work tool. As a work tool, no problem. I guess there's three categories to their business now that you're raising this. There's sort of the consumer subscriptions. Then there's the business subscriptions, which are basically the consumer product, but a company's paying for it. Correct.
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And then there's the developers paying for metered API usage.
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Yeah, it's kind of like Microsoft Office or Google Docs where consumers use them for free or want to use them for free and then companies will pay for it and that's where the real money is.
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I actually disagree with that framing, Jason.
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The dealer's probably making a porno in the next room.
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Well, look, we just had this inflation report. CPI was 3.3%. The market was expecting 3.4%. So that's a teeny bit better than expected, but it's still persistently sticky, inflation is. And furthermore, Powell's comments were very hawkish. He basically said he could not commit to when rate cuts might begin.
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And we're already, remember, at the beginning of the year, we entered the year with expectations for seven rate cuts this year. Now we're down to an expectation of one rate cut. And we can't say for sure when that's going to happen. So honestly, I think your introduction overstated how positive this news was. And that's why I think if you look at the markets right now, it's very mixed.
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Most tech stocks that I'm seeing are actually in the red. And a few of them, like Tesla and Apple and Nvidia, are up. But the vast majority are in the red. So I think the market is taking this in stride. I think the big picture here is just we don't know when red cuts are going to begin. And I think that Vinnie Lingham had a really interesting take on this, actually, where
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He said, look, could Powell cut by a quarter point? Would that matter that much? No, it wouldn't matter that much. But the point is, Powell doesn't want to say that the rate-height cycle is over, right?
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If he were to cut by a quarter point, that by itself wouldn't do much, but it would be a huge statement that we're out of the woods on inflation, there's not going to be any more hikes coming, and we're beginning a new rate-cut cycle. And Powell is clearly unwilling to say that. We're still in this limbo where he is saying that we don't know when rate cuts are going to begin.
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On the back of like two stocks. I mean, NVIDIA is holding up the whole market. There's a lot of funny memes about this.
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AI stocks are holding up the whole market.
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If you're asking what his incentives are, I agree with Chamath. I think his main incentive at this point is concern for his historical legacy. And specifically, he wants to be thought of like Volker, not like Arthur Burns in the 70s. Volker...
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basically crushed inflation even at the cost of a recession, and he is worshipped today as the best Fed chair ever, whereas Burns let inflation slip the leash in the 1970s, and he's not thought of very highly. So I think that Powell's main concern here is with his historical legacy at this point. I don't think he's expecting to be reappointed. He's wrapping up his second term already.
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Now, I think if you go back to 2021, the incentives were a little bit different. Powell wanted to be reappointed by Biden, And remember that in the summer of 2021, that's when the inflation began. We had that surprise 5.1% inflation print. Powell was up for renomination and confirmation in November of 2021. And I think what happened back in that year
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is the administration downplayed the inflation report. They called it transitory. Yellen did, Biden did. And so Powell had to get on board with that message if he wanted to get confirmed by the Democrats. And he did get on board with that message. He repeated the whole transitory point. And for that reason, they didn't begin the rate hike cycle until March of the following year.
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And from that May inflation print to November, they kept doing QE, even though we had inflation back in the system. So I think that Powell was actually intensely political in 2021. He knew who was going to reappoint him and who was going to have to confirm him. And he got on board with that message. And that's why they were so slow to react to the inflation. And I think it was disastrous.
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And that's one of the reasons why the rate tightening cycle was so steep is because he had to catch up with all this inflation that he had allowed for nine months longer than he should have. But if you ask me what's his incentive now, I think it's purely about legacy. And he does not want to let inflation come back after cutting rates a little too soon.
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So his incentive, I think, at this point is to make sure that he's not wrong again about inflation.
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I know. You ever feel like when you like tiptoe into the bet with like a small amount, but you want to do more and then you win and you feel like you actually lost money because if you had made a bigger bet, you would have made more.
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Well, no, there's politics when they're up for appointment or for re-election. appointment for confirmation, basically, because they want to get that vote. Yes, but subtle pressure.
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Yeah, they don't have to. I mean, the Fed is independent.
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this year because there is no political pressure. There was in 2021, and I think that's why he was slow to react. Listen, if Powell can stick the landing here, then his legacy comes out intact. But if he screws this up, and then he was slow to react to the inflation back in 2021 and 2022, his legacy is going to be mud.
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So I think he's going to be more concerned about erring on the side of tamping down inflation than erring on the side of the economy not doing as well. I think those are the incentives.
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There's a handful of tech stocks that are, no, no.
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I don't know, Jason. Look, I'm hearing a lot of happy talk right now. And I agree with you. You had 1.3% GDP growth rate with a 6% of GDP deficit by the government. If the government wasn't printing so much money, wasn't overspending, if you were to have a balanced budget... It would be a recession. Yeah. Yeah. Think about that.
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And a lot of the jobs you're talking about are government jobs. The government is creating jobs like crazy, not in the private sector, but in the public sector because it is an election year. So there's a lot of political forces propping things up. And I wonder what happens after the election.
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Instead, we put 10. We won 15. I lost 60.
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Just one last thing, guys. This is really important. So friend of the pod, Peter Fenton, who's a famous VC in Silicon Valley, tweeted that his sister has been diagnosed with a rare sarcoma and they are searching for lookalike cases to do a study at Dana-Farber. And If this works, it will change the future of cancer.
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But they are seeking, this researcher, William Gibson, who he's retweeting, is seeking patients with myoxoid myosarcoma featuring a PLAG1 fusion. So if you are somebody out there who has a case like this, then please reach out and let us know or let Peter Fenton know. This could save a life. or many lives. His sister is also the wife of a good friend of ours, Pete Brigger.
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So our thoughts are definitely with you. And if there's anybody out there who has this type of sarcoma, please let us know. And we can refer you to Dana-Farber. And this is a very important study that may save some lives.
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We made a Jake Nelson's back. Yeah.
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Well, should we take you guys behind the scenes of a presidential fundraiser? I admit I've never done one before, so it was a new experience for me. When you host a president, it's just a whole different level of preparation. The Secret Service was out like a week before, the President has an amazing advanced team. They work out every detail. They make a map of your house.
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They really have to think through everything. The police shut down the street. It's really a very involved process.
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Yeah. So what's really interesting is that all week, the San Francisco publications had been trying to gin up protesters by writing about that, you know, the president's coming to town and the protesters are going to show up. And in fact, there was almost no anti-Trump protesters.
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And then a huge number of pro-Trump demonstrators came out and they were waving flags and cheering along his motorcade as he was coming to the house. So the whole protest thing backfired. Why do you think
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I think there's just a big enthusiasm gap. I mean, I think that the pro-Trump people are very enthusiastic and the, let's call pro-Biden or anti-Trump people are just not very motivated right now.
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so anyway so owen mccabe who's the founder of intercom he was there and i i think this was actually a good summary because he said that he spoke with a bunch of people and none of them identifies republican all voted or donated democrat in the past that's true for me too now they're backing this guy for his policies on war immigration crypto and more this election is referendum on those issues so owen you know came out appreciate his support but it's true the campaign told us that they had more
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first time donors at this event than they've seen before. And that's because a lot of these people hadn't supported Republicans or hadn't supported Trump, and they came out. So we have a few photos and videos here to take you behind the scenes. I think that might be interesting for people. So the first thing to say is that President Trump is extremely charming.
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He connects with people in like five seconds. I mean, he meets you and finds something interesting or funny to say. And he's hilarious. I mean, when he spoke, in the living room and he talked extemporaneously for an hour. He's speaking off the cuff. Every speech he gives is different. This is him coming into the living room. He had made just a few notes about topics he wanted to talk about.
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on a piece of paper, but that was it. It was all completely extemporaneous. No teleprompter, obviously. And he's hilarious. I mean, people don't realize how entertaining he is.
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Or did he go off and... Well, he did talk crypto. And it was really interesting. At one point in his speech, he called on the Winklevoss brothers who were there. And I'm only mentioning this because it was already reported that they were there. So I don't want to speak out of school. But he said to them, he says, I know you guys created Facebook. He was giving them credit for creating Facebook.
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Yeah, but he said, but it's okay. I mean, you guys look like models. You were dealt a lot of cards, you know, a lot of cards.
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Great hair. And so I thought, okay, wow, like he must know the Winkvoss brothers. He must have met them previously. And I found out this is the first time that he had ever met them. So think about the awareness that he has to know that they're in the audience, to see them, point them out, and then have this kind of hilarious routine with them. So he's someone who's very sharp, very on the ball.
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very funny. And then his energy level is incredible. So he had started his day at Mar-a-Lago at 3.30 a.m. Pacific time, 6.30 a.m. his time. Then he flew to Arizona, did a Trump rally in Arizona. Then he flew to San Francisco for our event. He spent four hours at our event. He could have left an hour earlier if he wanted to. Then he flew to LA for more events the next day there.
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So think about his day and his energy level was just amazing the whole time.
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Who else is wearing a tie? You don't want the tie? Jamal doesn't need a tie. He's a baller. Do you want to say what Trump said to you when he met Natalie?
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And these are groups of people, I think, who you can double click on young people, Hispanic and Asians. Asians believe in meritocracy, I think, is what most people have read into that dramatic swing. And Hispanics are anti... or more traditional family values, and that's probably what pushed that so far away.
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But I wanted to just get your take on that chart, Shamab, in relation to your handicapping of the election, and then how much Kamala and how much the inflation played into it.
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Tolerance, freedom of speech.
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They started that process. They knew that going into this election and they started moving to the center. It was laughable in some cases because you have like Kamala talking about providing sex changes for prisoners and all of those receipts came out. So even as she started to try to get to the center, people didn't buy it. So of course they're going to.
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But what's very interesting about Spen there and the genius of Trump is earned media. What's earned media? When you are trying to get hits in media, you will put them into two buckets, paid and earned. What you just showed was paid. Paid is considered what you do if you can't earn media. All In Podcast is an example of earned media. We do this every week. We earned our audience.
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We didn't pay anybody for this audience. And I think that was, you know, what Trump did and J.D.
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And so that's the piece of this that I think is so important. You don't have to pay to go on Joe Rogan. But the candidate that the Democrats put out there was so bad. that she could not even, and I think Sachs is master at setting people up here. The Democrats put up a horrible, horrible candidate. And I know Sachs is saying, oh, it's not Kamala's fault. Kamala could not go on
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Joe Rogan, because they knew that it would be so embarrassing and that she would get so embarrassed that it would lose her votes. His doom loop observation from, I don't know, eight weeks ago you had that, Sax, was exactly correct. The more she spoke, the more she started going down. She was leading Trump at one point on polymarket in some of these places, and she absolutely proved
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that she could not communicate well. And I just want to just circle back to the point about inflation. Here's the McDonald price increases that I was mentioning before. End of 2019, you could buy a McChicken for $1.29, and in mid-2024, it was $3.89. The majority of Americans wind up going to Taco Bell, McDonald's every week. some cases multiple times a week.
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You cannot discount exactly how profound this cost of eating food and buying groceries had on this election. It is the number one issue, I think, this election. We can talk in our bubble about it, but it was about inflation.
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Not good is generous.
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It's so obvious that that technique they used to defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic four years was, hey, do you want normalcy?
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What's that? I didn't hear the joke. I said, what tactic was that? 15 million extra votes? Please don't start with the conspiracy theories.
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Who's the chart from? Who's the chart from? What's the providence of the church?
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Like they mailed out- Hold on, before we go down this rabbit hole, let me just finish my point. Then you guys can go to Conspiracy Corner and say the election was stolen. The point I'm making here is, obviously- Biden ran a very successful campaign against Trump based on vibes and based on his creating chaos in the country and most people's mind in this return to normalcy.
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So that did work for them previously. It just didn't work this time because they had to defend their record on the border. They needed to defend their record on the economy. And Sachs is exactly right. They didn't touch that. And how do you not talk about their own record? And their record had some good bright spots to it. Record low unemployment, record high stock market, and we tamed inflation.
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Okay, let's start.
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And they could have had a really great discussion about inflation and just said, hey, listen, both
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of the last two terms there was a lot of spending and so inflation manifested during the last four years and uh hey we tamed it so here we are we still have record low unemployment we still have a record high stock market and we tamed inflation things are going to get better but she couldn't even communicate that i can communicate that better than the presidential candidate Come on.
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She could have easily done that.
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I'm about to get to that.
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It's very clearly this had to do, you know, primarily with Kamala. It is the candidate and how she was selected. Yeah, I mean, obviously, if you had the same track record.
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Maybe even a little bit more recently.
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I mean, I've been very clear about that. My record's been very clear about that. It is clear that it was her because I will say if you had put up Friedberg, and I think it's great that you're forcing us to pick one of the three. And it's a hard thing to do. But if you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro, I think they would have beat Trump very easily.
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Because remember, Trump was phenomenally unpopular. And I think the big question that's going to come out of this is how did Elon do getting young men and how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours do at getting young men to come out and vote? That's something we haven't talked about yet.
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And I feel like that could be the one thing that comes out of this election over the coming years that we look at that'll be the sustainable change is that young men are now voting and they want to vote for something very different than white women or old people.
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Feels great. Yeah.
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So thank you for that. Yeah, my pleasure.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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Yeah, it's a great question. I think the thing we have to do now is come together as a country. He's the president. It's great that it was... not a debatable election, and we're not going to have riots at the Capitol and people beating up police officers. And now it's time to actually look at what Trump said. And then we will grade him on what he actually gets done.
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And, you know, if he is able to hang out with the cohort of Elon and Chamath and Sachs and J.D. Vance, I feel a lot better about it. Now, there's a lot of people speculating he will turn on Chamath, he will turn on Sachs, he will turn on Elon, and that relationship will end in the next year or two. That's what I'm looking at. Will Trump actually do the things he says he's going to do?
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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And what did he say he was going to do? Well, he's not going to have a national abortion ban. He's not going to kick people out who get college degrees here. Remember, he said on the show he's going to staple the green card to it. And he said he's going to end the war in Ukraine on day one. So let's make a list of all the things he promised.
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And like anybody else, let's judge him based on what he gets done. Now, some of the things he promised, like the mass deportation of 15 million people, I think a lot of people, even on this podcast, probably don't agree with. I don't think anybody here wants to see 15 million people
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who came here to have a better life and who are working hard and who are productive members of our society literally get dragged out of here. The 500,000 that are criminals or a million, sure, nobody wants to see them get a free pass here, but You know, there's going to be some of the items on his agenda that are going to be very uncomfortable to see executed.
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And some of them would be amazing and miracles. If he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine war is settled, fantastic. If he starts dragging a million people every day, you know, two or three months out of the country, that could be absolutely disastrous and incredibly hard to watch happen in America. So we've got to judge him based on his actions. That's great. Let's give him the support he needs.
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And I really hope, you know, the thing that gives me hope is the fact that Sachs, Chamath, Elon, and J.D.
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Would you serve if asked?
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There was a lot of controversy around the sweepstakes idea. I don't know why that was so controversial because if you think about-
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So if we look at that million dollar sweepstakes to sign up for his PAC, if you think about how people normally get people to sign up, they're paying a dollar a click probably $50 a click, whatever it is using giving money to ABC or giving money to Facebook. And he just said, Hey, I'll just do a sweepstakes sign up for this. And then I have you in the database, and then I can market it to you.
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There's no difference between giving away a million dollar sweepstakes or buying a bunch of ads and paying by click. And for everybody to frame that as he's buying votes when it was so clear he wasn't, I think that's the kind of media manipulation people are getting savvy to and does not work anymore. It was very clear. It was just a sweepstakes to sign up for his pack.
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It's no different than paying $10 a click to Facebook.
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He was in a good mood. You remember the moment when his hand touched yours? Take us to that. I'm just saying that when I- Did he give you the shake? He gives that little shake to exert a little dominance. Did he give you the shake?
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She got paid? They were paying celebrities to show up?
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Who knows?
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I think probably you're disappointed because you had such a high benchmark for him. But we were just talking about Trump saying he would end the war on day one. He said that he's going to deport 15 million people. And, you know, all these politicians lie. So I think my closing statement on all of this is y'all were a key part in putting Trump in obviously.
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And if he starts behaving in the way he behaved during his first term, the darker things he did, I hope that y'all will call him on it and publicly call him on it and that he will steer towards, you know, his better angels. And that's my hope for America and my hope for all of you who helped put him in office and played a very significant role in getting him here.
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When he does something crazy, if he does try to drag 15 million people out of the country, is that okay with you, Sachs?
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And look- If he went after the other 14 million, would you be in support of that?
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I agree with all that. And I do think... if he does try to do the 14 million, that's the thing I have concerns about. Got it.
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Are you officially a Mar-a-Lago member, by the way? No. 500 large? No. Oh, my Lord. Is that true? 500,000?
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The FBI had logins. They could just go in themselves. I mean, it was crazy.
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Well, and let's not forget the FOIA leader. They were literally being taught how to route around, Fauci's team, how to route around subpoenas and people looking for information. I mean, there's a lot to uncover here. I'm 100% here for it.
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Yeah, they were putting asterisks in, you know, hacker speak in order to avoid this. And they were also told, a bunch of people who are in three-letter agencies, just by default, put this at the highest level of security not to be declassified. So they unnecessarily put everything in classified. And so now...
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Every document, every email is marked at the highest level of classification, which means there's no discerning it. And if you were to blame an FBI agent, if they told you, hey, just put everything on classified so it doesn't get out. Okay, that seems like a pretty good way to cover your ass. And that's got to change, yeah.
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You're a man of science. I know you have some differences with RFK. Do you want to see him?
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on a nuanced basis, then net net, where do you wind up free Burke net net, where do you wind up?
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And as long as net net, do you like him as a disinfectant as a rabble rouser as to shake up the system or net net? Do you think it's too risky to let him in?
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Well, yeah. I mean, he has been a major proponent. You were going to run for mayor once, J. Cal? I was lobbied. I was approached, and I was given a lot of support, seven figures of support to go do it. It's a very hard job because the supervisors actually run the city. And a lot of the supervisors, like... They got booted too, no?
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And I mean, the crazy thing in Los Angeles with Gascon was a number of people who I know live there now know people in Santa Monica, in Brentwood, in Bel Air, where we lived for so many years, Sachs. have home invasions have started again. I mean, that is like a real breaking point for people. It's scary to have your home broken into by a gang.
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Let's do it.
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College educated women, too, I think came out.
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I think a lot of them did, clearly, but not enough to swing the election. And, you know, it's going to be- Do you think it's going to be- To the question, is Sacks right?
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There will be states where women will not be able to get an abortion, sadly. They will not be able to make that decision for themselves. That's my personal belief. They should be able to make the decision for themselves. I'd like to stay out of it.
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But Sachs is largely right that if you don't, if I'm reading it correctly, think about it if you're a state and you ban abortion, who's gonna wanna live there? You're gonna have a lot of people leaving. And that's been an issue here in Texas. A lot of companies are having a hard time with not only getting women to move here to work at specific companies in Texas,
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But men are well or not, are citing it as a concern. So it's going to make it really untenable for an economy.
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I have heard many stories about people not wanting to come work at companies in Texas because of this law. Yes. I have heard that from employers. I'm not talking about any of Elon's companies. I don't speak for him, obviously. But this has been an issue for companies in Texas. Okay.
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It's my best advice.
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But don't worry. Bear's on the menu.
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Zantum gum. Stop using your moderator privileges to push your agenda, Free Bird. Take care, guys. I love you. I love you guys.
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That SNL skit was next level, I agree.
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Yeah, well, clearly, being on podcasts was a major part of Trump's strategy that people are starting to report on right now. And, you know, in media, you go where the audience is. And I think the Democrats just didn't get that. Now, stepping back, I think the number one problem here is the candidate that the Democrats put up. And probably the close number two is inflation.
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And, you know, the economy, as you know, we all know it's the economy, stupid. If you were paying... $2 for a cheeseburger at McDonald's, and now it's $4. That's what people are going to remember. And the inflation that occurred over this last four years was huge. And people cited that over and over and over again. So there's probably three buckets you could put this conversation into.
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There's the candidate. Kamala Harris was a terrible candidate. She was put in at the last minute and she was anointed and she didn't go through a proper primary. I think that's probably number one in this entire thing. It was a terrible candidate. You're saying number one is the candidate. I think number one is the candidate.
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Number two, I think, because remember, Trump was incredibly unpopular as well. And all credit to Trump for winning and running an incredible campaign. I mean, just they crushed it on podcasts with J.D. Vance turned out to be spectacular on podcasts and really delivered the message. And, you know, the number two is obviously inflation in the economy.
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And then I think number three is the bucket that Chamath started with, which is. The country really, really does not like being told that they're racist or sexist, et cetera, cancel culture. And you put those three things together.
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one of the things that's coming out right now is some of the ads and we'll play an ad here i wanted you guys to see this i think this ad sums up exactly how bad kamala was and we'll combine this ad with just some of the statistics that have come out of how many people have gone right this is charlamagne the god from the breakfast club for those who don't know in a donald trump ad what taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners surgery
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And so how does Kamala come back from this with black voters, with male voters, with people who are tired of having this agenda shoved down their throat? Obviously, it's going to be incredibly difficult. Plus, she was in charge of the border, claimed she wasn't. Plus, she was in charge of, you know, and Biden were in charge of the economy when inflation spiked.
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Terrible candidate combined with a bad track record combined with a flawless campaign from Trump. I think easy victory. And, you know, if we pull up this FT chart, Nick, that I sent you ahead of time, and I tweeted this, you know, Americans love winners and innovation and they hate socialism and this woke nonsense. And if you look at how Trump's support increased, look at this, Chamath.
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Every single demographic, Black, Asian, Hispanic, 18 to 29, 30, 30 to 34, female, white college men, except for two, 65-year-old plus, very moderately, very modestly went left. And white college women very modestly went left in terms of increasing support.
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I got no loyalty.
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What some people do.
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Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
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Ask, Tell, Confess: Hailee Tries FB Dating
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Ask, Tell, Confess: Hailee Tries FB Dating
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Ask, Tell, Confess: Hailee Tries FB Dating
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How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
there's like a random thursday after like a month i'm not approaching i'll go up to la lakers cheerleader and target approach her get her number and then we go on a date i'm like what the hell i did 40 approaches in one weekend did you get an la lakers phone number yeah one on a date one on a date okay
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
It was in mixed company, but I was definitely in my A game of flirting, so to speak. Because of all the social momentum I had coming from the day. Nice. As I'm sure you know, when you do 10 plus approaches, like you're in such a great social state. So by the time I got to this girl, let her, you know, assuming she's like the 15th approach of the day, so to speak, I was really in a great state.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
So like it was great rapport that her and I had and I could tell she was really enjoying it. I got her to laugh a lot and it was just it was just easy. It was just really it came really easy. The conversation, you know.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
i've had the mindset or at least i feel sometimes i text a girl i had great rapport with once she doesn't answer i automatically have assumed she's ghosting me but i've tried what connell has said and i've tried like sending a follow-up text like two days later like a funny gif or something that makes her smile and then i get a response and that has led to dates yeah like i've had dates with girls who i thought were ghosting me but they ended up going out on me because i followed up because and a lot of times they just missed the text
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Or at least that's what their response is. But, you know, it works. It works for follow-up rule.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
My favorite one is – because I've done a lot of tests as to what works and what doesn't. I send a gif of the old woman from the Titanic movie where it says it's been 84 years, and I've gotten some great reactions.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah. And I also tell myself like, oh, I'll just go home and go on Hinge and that'll make me feel better about not approaching and not being comfortable to do it today.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Right. No, it makes sense. Makes sense.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I think sometimes it's just the nerves are very powerful. And even though I have been doing this for as long as I have in terms of like pushing myself to do approaches, it's definitely gotten easier over time. But I haven't felt like I've gotten to a place where it's just like I can wake up at 7 a.m. or 8 a.m. on a workday and just be like, yep, I'm going to hit three approaches.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Today, no problem. It's not going to be like a major internal fight for myself, which unfortunately, as you described it, I think in one of the modules, it's like one foot's on the gas, one foot's on the brake. And I don't know, more times than not, the brake ends up winning just out of the nerves. And I feel like this kind of ties back to what I was saying from this weekend.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
At least the first initial approaches, I feel that when the nerves take over, I fall into a very platonic conversation that I have trouble navigating the man, the woman, Connell. But when I get to the seventh or eighth approach, it's very easy for me to go man, the woman. I'll just be like, hey, you have really beautiful eyes. One of the first things out of my mouth.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
And then all of a sudden, I'm flirting. But in the first couple conversations, when the nerves are really strong... I automatically just fall into like, Oh, where are you from? Right. Oh, you moved here from Texas. That's cool. I've been to Austin a couple of times this year. Like I, do you know this strip of bars? Oh, I like this restaurant.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
And it comes off as very friendly platonic just because the nerves are, it feels like the nerves are, are like blocking me from flirting. Cause it's just like flirting when, when I'm nervous feels like a risky zone. Cause it feels like, all right, this gives her, this allows for her to reject me.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
When I keep it friendly and platonic, there's less room for a rejection because it's like, oh, this guy's just being friendly. There's nothing to reject. You know, it feels more safe because the nerves are more powerful. The first couple approaches, if that makes sense.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
What's risky is safe. And what's safe is risky.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I don't know if I've used the word sexy, but like one of my go-to openers during the day and at night is like, excuse me, I just thought you're beautiful. I wanted to come say hi to you. Nice. Because I just felt it's super direct and she knows exactly why I'm talking to her and it sets the tone for the conversation.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I've done that opener a lot. Like that's my go-to because I just feel like it sets the tone of the conversation.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Um, I think sometimes it's super relevant to the conversation. Like if I'm in California and I meet a girl who's from New York, like I am, that's a, that makes the conversation a lot easier in terms of substance.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
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How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Excuse me. I just really thought you were gorgeous and I wanted to come say hi to you.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Thank you. Thank you.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
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How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
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How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Well, this girl that I just described, for example, I did follow up with her because she missed a text. And now it seems like she missed another text. And I kind of feel weird about following up twice. It's just like, all right, well, you know what I'm saying?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah, no, the text I'm asking her out, I'm not going to say the event, but she went to an event this past weekend. So I said, Ola, how was the event? I saw on Instagram stories that looked insane. She wrote, hi, it was so much fun. Didn't make it to, you know, the big party that was there, but still a great time. Definitely feeling it today, lol. And I wrote, I did the same thing when I went back.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
bought an unlimited ticket pass and didn't see one party felt so guilty lol and then i wrote if you're around this week let's grab drinks and that was around 9 p.m and no response the next day okay but i know this girl just based off of the previous text that she's interested our schedules just haven't aligned yeah i think uh what you say you could follow up with that i mean that's a i'm gonna be nitpicky here i like that i like that's like an 80 ask out hey let's do xyz thing
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
So for this particular example, and I was actually thinking about it the next day and what you're saying is kind of what was popping in my head. I should have maybe given a specific place and been like, oh, I know this great speakeasy. How does this work? Instead of just saying, if you're around this week, let's grab drinks.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
The reason I did that is because she's already expressed interest other times in the conversation that she's down to go out. It's not like this is my first time asking her out. So it's just kind of like circling back to like. hey, now that our schedules may align this week, why don't we do this thing we've been talking about for a couple weeks now? But I totally agree with what you're saying.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I guess my question is now, you know, I sent the text. I can't go back and change it. I don't think it means I'm out of the game by any means with this girl. It's just what would be a good follow-up based on if you're around this week, let's grab drinks. And that was sent Sunday night.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Well, that's the thing that I have to work on a bit is the closing element. Because, you know, I think the approach when I do take action, I have had some great results, as you know. I've told you many stories about some successes I've had through our conversations. And it's just... a matter of the closing where I just, I let the nerves take over. I play it safe.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I think playing it safe is a common theme in our conversations as of late. That's like, Hey, you're doing a lot of things right. But when it comes to like the clothes or playing it safe or going for the kiss or, you know, I feel like I wait for too many signs or green lights to take action from women that I'm just saying, I don't care about the signs. I'm just going to do it.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I mean, maybe you would agree that sometimes, uh, Reading the room is a part of the process. I mean, sometimes it's just obvious if they're not interested, but maybe I overanalyze the room, so to speak.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
This is a theme I think you taught in the modules, the give, give, give, ask, where I find myself... whether it be through text or Instagram, when I'm messaging somebody, my brain goes straight to, if I'm communicating with them over messaging or texting, I want to go straight to asking them out because I get very fearful about trying to establish banter or flirting over messaging.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I just feel like my brain goes straight to, let me just ask them out and shoot my shot. That way I can get my answer and I don't have to worry about coming off as awkward over text or messaging. I'm not always worried about that in person, but the messaging I find is a little harder to establish banter and flirting. I'm curious if you have any quick thoughts on that.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Is it important to establish three messages first before you ask somebody out over text or a dating app or Instagram or any of that type of stuff?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
No, not really a match. It's more of like Instagram. And this has worked once or twice. I might swipe up on someone's story and be like, hey, just thought you were beautiful, random, but I just wanted to shoot my shot. Would love to take you out for drinks. What's your number? And sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn't work.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
What if it's someone you met the night before and they've already met you in person and you get their number? Is it okay? That's a little different.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
So it was enough if she'd be willing to go out with you or not at that point. Absolutely. Got it.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Good to hear from you. How you doing?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Sure. I mean, you know, I've been practicing the material that you've taught for a little while now, and I feel as though I've now encountered some nuanced types of situations at this point in the game. So I feel like I have some niche questions slash topics I'd love to, you know, kind of get your guidance on.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah, I feel like I have these successes in waves. You know, there are weeks where like I'm killing it with pushing myself to do approaches. And then I just kind of wake up and my brain totally resets in the sense that it's like, I feel so great and optimistic about approaching and I'm doing it.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I'm pushing myself and I'll just wake up one day and I'm like, oh, I'm not really like in the mood or oh, the approach anxiety really just gets so much more powerful than it was the day before. And it becomes so frustrating because I could have so much momentum for like 30. three or four days straight. And then I just have these periods of where I feel like I reset.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
And then I go like a month without pushing myself to do it. And it just feels like I take one step forward and two steps back. And I'm not necessarily expecting you to have some magic bullet
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
answer to this but i guess my question is is is there any methods or things that you've taught or that kind of combat this like oh i'm doing really well i'm pushing myself but i wake up again and it resets so i'm gonna i'm gonna stop like i hate how i find myself in this situation more often than not so you take action for a while and then you lose some motivation doesn't feel that good to you and then you take a break from it is that what you're saying
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
It just feels like when I wake up some days, like it just resets no matter how much success or how much I'm starting to love the process. My brain just resets. Like, you know, the approach anxiety on one given day may not feel that strongly on a Monday, but then a Tuesday it's like overpowering compared to the day before. Okay.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Well, yeah, and that makes sense. And I think we've also talked about don't be so results-driven. I don't know if you called it like a results junkie where I'm just like really, really addicted to only getting positive results. But I found myself like, for example, this past weekend in the Southern California area that I live in, there was some really cool –
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
like, like shows, music shows during the day that I went to where there were a lot of girls and I did a ton of approaching and I got myself into a great social state. We went to like a lunch place after I was approaching girls at the lunch place. Like I was doing it the whole day. I was in the zone. My friends were like, Jason's flirting with all these girls. Um, and,
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I didn't really get any successful results. I mean, it also went into the night. We went out to some bars, approached a ton of girls, got numbers. And the girls that I texted, the numbers that I'd gotten didn't really turn into anything concrete with regards to like a date. So I woke up that Monday after a weekend of doing that feeling like, well, what was the point of that?
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Like I didn't really get any concrete results. And there are some times where that happens, where I do a ton of approaching and I don't get any results. And then there's like a random Thursday after like a month of not approaching, I'll go up to a LA Lakers cheerleader in Target, approach her, get her number, and then we go on a date. I'm like, what the hell? I did 40 approaches in one weekend.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yes, I got one on a date.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
So like, no, that's a success. That's a win. But it's like, it's so arbitrary because it feels like, you know, for 40 approaches. You'll get like the one. Yes. And it just feels like the ROI given like the effort and that I have to really put into my mindset to push myself to do the approaches. Sometimes it doesn't.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
It was cool. They had this thing in LA that's like at a coffee shop where they have like a DJ and it's kind of like a day rave, but instead of drinking alcohol, everyone's drinking coffee. So everyone kind of congregates in this big parking lot and there's a ton of women and it's a great opportunity for approaching.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Um, if I had to guess, maybe somewhere between 10 to 15, something.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
think maybe uh three or four okay i mean and just to give you context like one of the approaches is like me walking out of the place i saw someone next to me with her dog i'm like wow you are beautiful and she's like thank you so much and then she walked away i mean i kind of counted that as an approach hell yeah like they all count myself out there but nothing really concrete yeah and here's my big question what's the longest conversation you had with any woman from that day um
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
There was one that lasted like maybe over an hour and that was more in the evening. We met at one low, one bar and then her and her friend Ubered with me and my friend to another bar. So we were just kind of hanging out for over an hour and I got her number.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Um, and then I texted her the next day and she didn't respond, which I know you say, don't let not one response make you think she's not interested. You know, try again. Sometimes people miss texts and,
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Because of the logistics of her having a lot of friends at the other bar, it wasn't necessarily easy to isolate her with a kiss, just feeling out the situation. But I did flirt with her a lot. She told me she was Italian, and I got really close to her ear and whispered a sexy Italian phrase that I knew. I definitely like a lot of man-to-woman communication.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
She seemed really excited to give me her number. Also, she put her last name in my phone, which is... Something I noticed when girls are really interested, they'll put their full name in the contact as opposed to just their first name. That's a thing I've noticed. So, yeah, I mean, there definitely seemed like there was a decent level of interest.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
If you ask me how to scale a one to 10, I mean, if I had the ballpark at least like an eight. Nice. Just based on her receptive feedback, you know.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
No, it was kind of like, give me your phone number. I'd love to take you out for drinks. And she's like, yeah, I'll definitely give you my phone number.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I mean, I think it's important to note that we don't actually know if it was NAVPERS who changed the charges because it went up to Chief of Naval Personnel, Admiral Cheeseman. He actually was the one to convene the board, to notice the board. His signature on there, just like the withdrawal letter, he was the one to start this process against us. A couple things to note there.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
One, I've talked to a ton of lawyers, including myself. I've never seen...
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
New charges, order of inquiry, official notice of a BOI. Yeah, with the new charges. But one, I've never seen the CMP be the person who convened a board. Like, I mean, pulling it up to his level is distinct in and of itself. I had our military counsel that was assigned kind of reach out and see if anybody else had seen that. No one. So what's interesting is Admiral Cheeseman was on the e-mail.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
where they talked about changing the press release and they issued the lie to the American people. So you put those two things together, he pulls it up to his level, he's got an interest in it, right? He's got an interest in seeing this go, you know, bad for Captain Geary and he's the one to promulgate and start this process.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Wow.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And they had that as part of the original NCIS investigation. That's where it came from. That's the worst part. They had this the whole time. Yeah, and they tried to resist discovery of this to us. We got a hold of some judge advocates who were prosecuting that at least understood their obligations. But for the first time in two years, we're getting this material that they've had the entire time.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Well, that's what we're trying to find out. I've started a FOIA campaign to try to get the back... back-end communications and records that would give us some indication of their intent. Why did this happen in the first place? And I can tell you, I filed multiple FOIA requests and Privacy Act requests at all levels, Office of Legislative Affairs, SECNAV, NSW.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I have yet to have one record produced. And in fact, the most I've gotten is a total denial memo from the current chief of staff for NSW, a guy named Captain Kurtz, who also is the guy who we have reports is scouring regulations to try to find something to stick to Brad. So that's where we're at at this fight.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
The next fight is the why, and to get some freaking transparency on this issue and find out what was going on. But right now, I mean, what should be thousands of records, I've got zero.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Freedom of Information Act.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And that's one reason why they wanted to avoid court-martial here. In court-martials, you would have a judge order production of exculpatory material in the possession of the government. We don't have that in an administrative board. That's one of the parts they get to end run.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And the only way to really compel them is to file an independent federal lawsuit for injunctive relief from a judge to get that. So they know they can deny us all day, and the recourse is difficult. Jeez.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Well, and to show you the general disdain they have for discovery in this process, back in 2018, actually 2016, there was a federal case out of the Eastern District of New York where The entire case was remanded to a new BOI because there wasn't sufficient discovery given, meaning sufficient evidence provided about unlawful command influence specifically.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And the court ordered that the regulation actually had expanded discovery rights and that they needed to provide these tangential discovery pieces of evidence. What was the Navy's response? They went and amended the regulation in 2019, 1920.6 instead of C, to reduce the discovery rights based on that case. And that's the one we're operating under now.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So they continually try to tell me that's insufficiently directly related.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
What was interesting is who didn't talk to us, though, right? Like, that they made this partisan. Right. I mean, nobody in the left would talk to us, I mean, at all. It was really interesting. Here we are uncovering institutional corruption, lying to the American people, and not a single, to my recollection, not a single Democrat returned our call. Not one. You approached any?
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
You did approach them.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I stopped by my own representative's offices and said, hey, I'm here from Colorado. Not a single response. Why do you think that is? I think, I mean, my opinion and I think what we're seeing is that they generally support institutional corruption as long as it fits their ends, right?
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And they didn't want to do anything to embarrass the administration in that time period and didn't want to do anything that could be at all tracked back to an administration that was going to an election. And so they just ignored us, right? There should be bipartisan issues. Yeah, truth is bipartisan.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I mean, there's no direct repercussions. I think that that was one of my more surprising pieces of knowledge gained in this thing is that the military has a large ability to ignore Congress if they want to. Of course, you've got Tuberville who's willing to freeze appointments, right? So maybe you would have seen some downstream freezing on some promotions.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
But as far as like direct consequences, unless called to a hearing under subpoena, there's almost no direct consequences for just continuing to do what they want to do. And why did they fold? Well, I actually have a slightly different view. I think it was a combined arms attack here that got us there. But there were some key pieces of evidence released to us. One, the text messages from his phone.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Two, a great deal of photos that purport to be of Seaman Mullen's And let me just say again, this is our rational perception of the evidence, but what they released to me was tons of photos of drugs, black market performance-enhancing drugs with used syringes, all kinds of stuff. I mean, reams of stuff. were finally produced to us. Why were those produced to you? Finally in discovery.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So by linking it to Brad's actions did cause grievous bodily injury or death, right? Even the administrative prosecutor who admitted he didn't have a case despite Rule 3.1 that requires him not to take frivolous actions forward. But despite that, he still understood that they have a discovery obligation that minimally tracked to the NCIS investigation. that they had yet to give us.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And this was the NCIS investigation that was done like that day, and all of this evidence had been in their hands. And I asked a basic question. I said, okay, so we've got a drug case now. Where's the tox lab results for all the drugs that were in his car? And they came back and said, we didn't test him.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Now, this is where I start to have significant concerns that when we get to our FOIA information, that we're going to find that the SECNAB office stopped the investigation because there has not been a single NCIS investigation I've ever been associated with, either prosecuting or defending, where NCIS obtained and seized a drug or something purporting to be a drug
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
even half-used syringes, and did not test the substance. So I think somebody hit the off switch, and I don't know why yet. But that's the only thing that— So what happens when you find out who it was and why they did it?
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah. I mean, I think the point is, is that we've always been dedicated to the objective truth record. And the objective truth record, thanks to you, has had to play out publicly. And this is an extension of that. That ultimately now we are litigating, not just to fully restore Brad, but to make the truth record unassailable.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So that all of this crap that they've been saying for years gets cut through and we deal with facts. So that's my interest. My interest now is to not only vindicate Captain Gary, his cadre, and everyone else, but to ensure that the American people see that there are still processes by which we are able to stick to and expose objective truth.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah. I'm tracking it.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Is there? No, you can get it. You have to work hard at it. You can't stop. And often you go 10x and you get 1x, right? You get something.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It basically means a biased investigation, a biased investigator's findings that are unsupported by the objective record can dictate whether or not you lose thousands in retirement.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Can't be soon enough in my book. Can't be soon enough in my book.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Admiral Cheeseman. Oh, this is the Cheeseman guy? Same guy who was in the email. Same guy who signed and noticed the board. I mean...
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
You can choose to interpret that, and there's no reason to. And there's nothing that stops them from saying, I've determined that investigation's not credible and you're not subject to this regulation. Go ahead and retire.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Mm-hmm.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, it was around the same time period they withdrew that we were expecting the results back. So there's some correlation there. No good. Yeah. No good.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It's now a contributed retirement plan. It's like a 401k, basically. Yeah, that can go with you. But you've got to be shitting.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Zero defect mentality and then disproportionate punishment.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I mean, that's what we're seeing across the board. Jeez.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, all of this in supposedly a non-punitive system? Non-punitive system. Right. And he's not, obviously I've had tons of clients like this. He's not the first to feel the way he's feeling. This is what the military will do to you. You sign your life to that check, right? And then they tell you, we need to rip up that check, right?
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It takes months to get clients to where I'm not worried about their safety anymore.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It's so awesome.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Never really thought about my voice. Yeah, yeah. Come on.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, very cool. It's called the Civilian Military Defense Fund.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
yeah the civilian military defense fund yeah and it's uh it's organized in colorado right now we're going through the fundraising registration at the state level and then we'll submit for 501c3 status but it's specific purpose and and the board's amazing i've been honored by those who have chosen to serve on the board it's a mix of civilian high-level civilian attorneys high-level criminal defense attorneys some military justice attorneys as well a public defender out of washington state like people people see the problem and they want to help
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
and we want to do things we want to be able to give all service members uh access to civilian council because you know in this case cam giri wasn't eligible for military council until uh admiral cheeseman served him the notice that's two years after this process started All of that is out of pocket, right? And on top of it, judge advocates are restricted from filing in federal court.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So around this administrative issue, needing to seek injunctive relief if they get really out of whack, they have no access to that. It's civilian lawyers with that civil experience, especially, that can bring these kind of weapons to bear, and military have no access to that. And in fact, I want to inspire big law lawyers civilian lawyers who haven't even been judge advocates.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I want to inspire their level of litigation to be brought to the military because I think that's the only way within that system that we're going to elevate our treatment of personnel and elevate the due process is by bringing these inordinate, experienced civilian litigators in to fight the fight. But we need to be able to pay them. You know, these guys are expensive for a reason, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And we need to be able to pay them. Or we need to be able to get experts when the military justice system refuses you an expert. We need to be able – and finally, I added a third prong as we talked about it. We've got to find a way to support people in this military justice process financially. from going to the dark places.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
The military is not taking care of their own for the minute an allegation is levied. You're on the outside and you're done, right? And we talk a big game about suicide prevention in the military. We do a lot of that, but we need to find ways where people can call and talk to somebody for those eight minutes that understands the system, the problem, have been through it themselves.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And so, you know, through this, we're like, you know what? Let's do it. We're good at, Operational management is the best leader I've ever known. We're going to create the Civilian Military Defense Fund and we're going to push. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. When do you think that'll be ready to roll? I expect the Colorado registration to be back in about eight days.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
That will open donations. It just won't be deductible until we get the 501 certification. But, and I'm no tax professional, my understanding is it will be retroactively deductible. So we are going to start accepting donations. Check with your tax providers. you know, ahead of the 501c3 process because that does take a while.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
But my understanding is we have a 27-month window to get that done, and I will get it done. Perfect.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, and I can be a little more specific on that point. I think your concept of being imprisoned in their own power, it's also imprisoned by their own ego. Because in the military, the... the nexus, the origin of prosecutorial authority is vested in the commander, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And so when a commander decides to do something in that realm, they become incredibly over-emotional to that decision, on average. I'm summarizing 15 years, 16 years of seeing it. They become rooted in this, if you're defying the system, if you're defying my choice to prosecute you, you're defying me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
and they take on this kind of insubordinate feel and communication pattern, even with me, you know, through their agents and SJAs, often they cut me off from even being able to go and talk to them, right? No, you need to handle that through my SGA, right? It becomes a very personal attack to them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And some cannot separate us rebutting the facts, pushing back on the prosecution, suing for innocence, and not take that as a personal attack on their decision-making.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Elle Yes or Elle No
I normally don't pick on Jason and Gino. I just feel bad.
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The Big Suey: Elle Yes or Elle No
I mean, it was a funny joke. That's all it needs to be. If you listen to Mystery Crate, you know.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Anything but that. That's a fate worse than death.
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I'm in Los Angeles this time. I'm not in Lakeland. This should not be happening. Los Angeles should have high-level Wi-Fi.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
I'll do it. It's droopy dog. Is that okay, you happy people? It's gonna be hard to do this happy, but okay. The green of the grass, the bunting on the stands, the bunting on the field. I'm happy. Is that good?
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Are we answering in a different voice every time?
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You know, I want to tell you, opening day is absolutely about purity and wonderful and beautiful and lovely. This is a voice of the Colorado Buffaloes, Mark Johnson, by the way, who was a professor of mine back in college. We used to try to get him to say phrases in his very, very deep. No, this is it's very, very deep, his very, very deep voice.
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We used to try to get him to say phrases in this voice in our class, like I have a Nickelback CD in my car and things like that. Yeah. Baseball opening day is the most beautiful day for a local television announcer. And because of that, ESPN took our game, and I'm not working today.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
So I ran into, can I tell you a quick Norm MacDonald story? Please. It's opening day, comedy day, Jason.
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Me too. So early 2020, before the pandemic, I was doing a college basketball game in Columbus, Ohio. And I was sitting alone. The crew had left. I was in the Columbus airport. And Norm comes walking in. And we get to talking. He's like two tables away. And I love his work. So we get to talking about sports. He asks what I do. I tell him. So he's talking about hockey.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
And we're talking about hockey. And then randomly, he turns to me and he goes, hey, you remember when they caned that kid in Singapore?
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And I go, I go, yeah, I actually like I remember Michael Fay, right? Like I was that age. He goes, they they still doing that, you think? And I go, what? What? What? I have no idea. He goes, because I I got a weird nephew in Singapore. You you think they're going to cane him?
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and i so that was it and then he went right back into hockey and so when norm passed i googled like norm mcdonald singapore and norm mcdonald caning just to see if he was kicking the tires on a bit that he had done and he never did it publicly but i'm certain he was just testing it out on me
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He said a weird nephew? Yeah, I got a weird nephew in Singapore. You think they're going to cane him?
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yeah i think i'm most excited to see how major league baseball reacts to having a total villain like the dodgers seem to be a total villain like anybody but the dodgers according to everybody who's not a dodger fan and so i i'm interested to see how many games they win first of all because they are a super team to beat all super teams
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
But then what the what this all looks like, you know, I think it with the possible, you know, in two years, the CBA is up. And so the Dodgers are deferring all this money. And I don't even think it's just fans that are like, hey, anybody but the Dodgers.
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I think the league owners, you know, some owners probably privately are like anybody but the Dodgers because we want to have the chance to win as well. So that but I also just think there's a ton of young talent, too. That's fun. And like Paul Steens versus Sandy Alcantara today, like you, you can you can get excited about Pirates Marlins on opening day.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
And I think there's something awesome about that. Uh, so number one for me is what the Dodgers are going to do. And then number two is just the loads of young talent. And then I also think like, I do think the league has nailed it with the, the rule changes. And I think in year three now, uh,
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seeing how the league either separates or kind of coagulates in the middle on how they decide on how they're going to handle the rule changes. Like the Brewers got themselves to the playoffs with stealing a ton of bags, making a lot of contact last year. So will more teams try that? How does that sort of interplay happen between teams tactically?
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No, but I do like that it shatters the typical axiom of like you win one, you lose one. And then what you do in the decisive game three of the series is what's going to make or break your season. No, the Dodgers want to sweep you. They want to make your life really miserable for three days and win all the games. But I I personally enjoy everything that can break the typical baseball game. Right.
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Like that. I do love the flowery language of Roger Angel. And I do truly love the sort of the pageantry of opening day. But I also like the idea that some teams and some people are just trying to shatter what we've said, you know, like let the ball travel. We heard for so many years and now we know like go out and get the ball because you got to hit home runs.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
So I do think that infusing new ideas into this game is great. But I also, you know, I I don't know how you're going to beat the Dodgers. They're so deep.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
I so my my sixth grade math teacher, Mr. Ewald, did put a poem on the board talking about like shattering expectations. Day one of sixth grade math class. He just put Mr. Ducks. and then Mr. Ducks again, and then like a bunch of random letters. And he was like, you know, you all think this says Mr. Ducks, but it's actually somebody said and am are ducks. Like sort of with a Southern accent.
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And I don't know why I remember that, but I don't do an impression of him. But I do remember like his whole plan was to make us think, oh, you're seeing that. But what you actually should see is this. So I think it actually informs my last answer about Major League Baseball. Thanks for asking, question mark.
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But that's why I'm a problem. That's why I'm a problem. That's why I get texts from Boog after the last time using one word that I can't use on this program.
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I was gonna. See, as a play-by-play announcer, I automatically respond to interplay, and so you're abusing that. You're abusing my yes-andedness, and I don't appreciate it, honestly, and you're going to get a strongly worded letter. No, this is a safe...
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Can't eat these championships. Yeah.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
And that's where I would enjoy it more, to be honest with you, because as much scrutiny as we give players across every platform in every sport, to me, the architects of these teams don't get called into question as much as they should. Let's find out who the real talent evaluators are.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Let's find out who the guys who are paying $12 million to a guy who's probably worth $35, $40 million because they found a diamond in the rough or they found a good fit. I'd be fine with that across the board.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
So work hard. Dante Bichette.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
The Angels were in town. I took my son to his second baseball game of all time. I sat pretty much in the batter's box for $115. Ron Washington is like six feet away from me. Mike, always going to be my man, Rob Washington. Denied, denied, denied. It's the first time I tried. Hey, come on, man. Who among us hasn't been curious? Exactly. How does this smell?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
So I'm sitting there, and Mike Trout comes up. And I tell him, like, yo, this is like the Mickey Mantle of our generation. So I was like, OK. They're like four pitches. Walk them. Yeah, he gets walked, and then the rain starts, and then we go back into the concourse, and I'm like, damn, this experience really wasn't what I thought it would be.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I think baseball has an issue with accentuating the dopeness and the intricacies. The turning of a double play and how athletic it is, it's kind of what the dunk used to be for us, and then SportsCenter, everybody was like, oh, everybody dunks too much, and now we don't get anybody bodies. We don't accentuate certain things that should be marketed.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I think that's what happens in baseball far too often, and we get these issues.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Dopeness? Dopeness or intricacies?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Your eight-year-old son is a big Mickey Mantle guy? I was trying to give him a frame of reference. You dropped these names on him so that when they're 15, 20 years old.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
The Bob Cousy of baseball. So my little guy's a gymnast. So, hey, Frederick Richard from the University of Michigan, that's what he's like?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Yeah, you don't even know I love that guy. You don't know who the hell he is. He was on Team USA.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
There was no frame of reference. There was no frame of reference. Do it. I dare you. And by the way, another Chicago shot. We're going to have to arm wrestle. Yeah.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Absolutely not. What are you talking about?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
That's why. You're bringing dark clouds over there, man. Exactly. No pun intended. What the hell is going on?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I like the vibe in there right now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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So, the third market in the country. Defendant. You... The only thing that you had happen that was interesting is being invited to an R. Kelly after party. All the people that you know in the NBA. All the people that you might know in that city. That's what brought its way across your agenda.
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All these years that I've been conversing with you.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
You go to the Pfister Hotel and get cheese curds, and then you're done for the entire— What are you going to do the next 29 days? Go to Summerfest?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I'm going to tell you why.
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We're getting where we need to get now.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Oh, my God. You can go to the art museums. Ride your bike on the lakeshore. You can go on a magnificent mile.
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Real cities. Real cities. And you got an airport that closes. It's the second city. It's the third at best. It's the second city because the first one burned down when we were strong enough to build ourselves back up.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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That's why it's the second city. It should have burnt it down a second time.
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We had to put it back together. No, seriously, though. I did not know you felt this strongly about this. Hey, can we do a field trip? Can we do a field trip? I'm in. I'm in. Can you come through?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I have to do a Detroit field trip, too. And I'm going to take you to some actual Chicago places, too. Not just the places where...
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Yeah, no, never that. That's where he went. Really? You went to federales to throw shots at bells? Do we have video of you trying to throw the shot? I mean, is this what it comes back to?
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Did you have some deep dish pizza, too? Did you have the thing that no one eats there besides tourists?
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Do you see our deep dish pizza, by the way? Look at the production Pete over here.
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Well, I think it's a guy who the only wins that Jerry Jones seemingly is going to get is in these art of the deal moments now, where you look at how he's done things in these face-to-face, give me your handshake, and that should be binding conversations.
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I was long put in a position long, long, long ago and told by people who dealt with contracts, if anybody makes you feel funny about the money that you have earned, see it for what it is and keep it moving. Micah Parsons can't keep it moving. You know, you got it.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
You got to take what's on the table, but saying that David Mulligan is not a person that you should have to even have any speaks with any conversation with, nor acknowledging his presence. One that is setting a precedent for all these contracts going forward. Like, Oh, Yeah, if I'm the Rams and I'm talking to somebody who I've drafted, I don't need to talk to their agent.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I don't need to bring in one of the power brokers of the game. He's not winning on the field. Any attention is good attention. I think he still operates under that premise. But the whole art of the deal and the whole negotiation and the whole – you know, oil tycoon and businessman kind of vibe that he is trying to give off. He's still having those wins in his mind.
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And also, please believe when these owners get together and talk like they need to talk without the cameras around, Jerry Jones is walking around with the big stick in his head. So he continues to, you know, go about things this way.
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It's the no disrespect preface. No disrespect, but your baby's ugly. You know what I mean?
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The only way that I can... Well, he thinks he's won some of them, though. He thought he won the Tony Romo one. And by the way, these are all the face-to-face... Tony Romo. We don't need... How long ago is that? Tony Romo, Demarcus Lawrence, who else?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Yeah, but that's the thing, though. As long as you can go back and harken back to a day that you won one of these, the next one is the one you think you're going to win. And with Micah Parsons, if you were going to give him the highest non-quarterback contract in the league anyway... You saying, I don't want to talk to your agent is just you drawing a line that's not necessary.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I mean, you see it in relationships all the time where it's like, I'm going to do this, but I'm going to do it my way and on my time. And his way and his time has a little bit, you know, there's constrictions and confinements to it that you got to get this thing going. And the more that we talk about this and the more it's public, I mean, the two sides are going to come to an agreement. It's just.
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how much angst do you want to put upon your organization and your fan base, and especially a player now who, you know, signing a deal that you don't feel good about and then going to have to perform, the three games in a row that you don't get pressures, you're going to think, damn, did I make a mistake? Was this the right thing to do? Do these people still revere and care about me? It's nasty.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Their situation is different, though. Cincinnati's situation is different. I think Jerry resetting the market for three different positions in the span of, what, three or four years? I think he has to go back to the owners and go, hey, man, I fought. You saw how much I fought. I know we got to sign these jerks, but I fought. With the Bengals...
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Well, just to cover the Bengals, Rams, Super Bowl, the stories that I heard about how that team still travels, how that team still eats, how that team still goes about their business. Like this is ingrained. Hey, listen, we don't do this. Your name is Trey Hendrickson and we might lose with you. We take what you can get. And this is what you can get.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I think it's a different lens that the Bengals and Katie, like you mentioned just now, whose name is just like Jackie. Katie Blackburn.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I think they're looking at this through different lenses.
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They might lose the game.
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Yeah, that's when Katie Blackburn's like, hey, man, you lost and got our heads beat in with you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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Kind of tells you what the environment is, though, of the people that you are bouncing things off of and conferring with. Right. The ecosphere is different for you now. You know, like now that you're removed from the situation and you take a look from a zoomed out perspective and you're part of the media now. We have different environments that we talk about these things.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
If I'm in a boardroom and I'm sitting here like, hey, we were terrible on defense last year with this guy. Oh, yeah, we were. And then there's another. Oh, yeah, we were. Yeah, he should be happy about what he's getting. And then you're surrounded by, hey, you know what? Good talk. Let's go to lunch. Oh, by the way, on the way to lunch, a microphone gets stuck in your face.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Hey, what the hell is going on with Trey? Hey, you know what? Damn it. Rob in the meeting said that you should be happy about this money. And I don't care how it comes out. This is what it is. Like – We act as if like rich people and people who cut checks for rich people aren't different in their thinking.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
And when they become different in their thinking and verbalize it, we're like, wait a minute. Did the ultra rich person or the person who has the ultra rich person's checkbook in their hand going to be different? No, no. We see like a lot of these organizations have zombies walking around them. Just whatever you say is fine. Whatever you say is good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
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I thought that was going to steer back into the direction of, hey, bring up some other North Carolinian basketball player that you shouldn't care about.
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Nope. You know what we call that?
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We call that a landline. A landline. I miss banging the phone. Oh, my God.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
The ultimate form of disrespect. BSPN. Communication-wise. BSPN. Oh, it's a subtle one, too. It was like a drop on the line. Yeah. It wasn't a bang. It was like, you know what? I'm done with this pity conversation. BSPN. That's nasty. Jay Billis, man. Cowboy. Don't play around with Jake. Hey, all them cheesy lyrics he recites? I gotta go to work. Alright, let's get the basketball perspective.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
So I don't know how this is ever going to work out in his favor, except for the people who are telling him it looks cool on the outside.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, but there's people who have come from rough backgrounds who get out of that and then realize, you know what, not only do I not want to go back, I don't want to even, like for instance, Isaiah Thomas. You know where Isaiah Thomas is from? Absolutely. Absolutely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, the original Isaiah Thomas. For whatever reason, you make it to Detroit, you make it to the University of Indiana, and you say, you know what? This is what I'm going to focus on. Basketball is key. And then you run into the bad boy image and all this other stuff. But at some point, you know... Like with LaMelo Ball, like John Morant, like Zion Williamson, extremely gifted, talented dudes.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
But at what point do you say to yourself, this is hindering the progress of whatever I'm trying to accomplish? Because, you know, in the end, you can't have it as a league. There's certain things you just can't have. And on top of it, especially in this league, where the little hint of violence might sway certain people who have marketing dollars.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
of the participants are playing Call of Duty, especially on a day like today when Redance Mac has dropped back in our lives. There's a relationship that is weird there where, remember when Kobe was a part of the Call of Duty commercials back in the day? There's this, hey, This is the culture.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
This is what we breed in this country in terms of loving guns and making sure that your rights aren't being infringed upon. Just don't do it where a little white kid sitting courtside might be influenced by it.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I'm a realist. You want pie in the sky. You want all things, you know, seashells and balloons. It's not like that. And the moment that you get out of that world and get back into the reality of David Sampson and the great people here at the Dan Lebitard Show. You're a star.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
He tried to let you know you don't know this sport the way he does.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
He ushered you in. You know, he is your baseball shirt for taking you to that mountaintop, and you're flailing, wanting, you know, bobbleheads and toys and all the, you know, the accoutrement. I like accoutrement. Sometimes.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
It got handsome. We have to have VMI has changed on the show a little bit, but the show's a lot more handsome.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
A little baritone. A little bass in my voice. The first episode of the Black McAfee show here. Who's going to wear the tank top? I'm here now. Oh, man.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
You can pull off a mullet, Roy. I'm in. I've been following Roy forever. I guess I'll leave. No, no, no, no. We need you, Jess. No, no, no, no, no. You make things, you know, palatable. Oh, yeah, balanced for sure.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
That's why.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Well, you know, I try to stay away from the suburbs. I try to. I try to, you know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Cody mentioned it, and I was like, uh-oh. There's another thing on this show that I don't know the reference to. Damn good sandwich.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I can go anywhere in Pilsen. I can go to anywhere in Humboldt Park, the areas that are close to me, and get an actual one with more quality control than Denny's. Shout out to Denny's. I don't know if they're a sponsor, so I don't want to go first.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
So is Denny's like an after party kind of vibe?
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Oh, yeah. We got greasy spoons. You know what I mean? And you can't get shot at at Denny's. I'd like to go somewhere where there's a little bit of danger.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, IHOP. Yeah, I have been to IHOP. Last time I was at IHOP, I was a kid, and then we dined and ditched, unfortunately. Which is always the uncomfortable, who's going to be the last person at the seat kind of vibe. Enough time's passed. I think you're good. Yeah, statute of limitations.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Shut the front door. Yo, Jess, yo. This is the oracle. Like, there's information that I get from Jess that I didn't know I needed. You know, Cody, Jess, you know, you got Bam out of Biostats back there from Jam.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
It's all right.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
And I knew it.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I try to whisper the words that I don't know or don't know how to pronounce or names that I don't know. So I was going to go with Jackie. Bam out of bio. Yeah, I was going to go with Jackie. I was going to go real small. You know what I mean? You look like a Jackie. Jackie. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You go outside. Hey, that's my man, Jackie. That's fly. That's a fly name.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I'll take Jackie. Yeah. It looks like he's always got some mid on him. You know what I mean? I'm down. Jackie with the mid.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah. You look like Jackie with the mid. He's got his nice over shirt on. You know what I mean?
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
For sure. Shacket bro for sure. Oh, that's what it's called. I thought it was an over shirt. No, it's a shacket. Jess, where were you when I needed your guidance just now? I'm sorry.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Who's that? Jackie with the mid? This is Jeremy. Oh, I thought you were talking about Jackie.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, he did completely.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I think we're going to stumble on an HR problem. They don't have that, don't worry.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Good catch there, Dominique.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
There's different pressure on women than there are on men. In front of a camera, behind a microphone. I saw you guys getting touched up with makeup. I didn't know that.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I found that every shirt that I've worn over the last couple of days has gotten, you know, some kind of commentary.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Jess, I got two outfit changes for every day down here.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Exactly. And that's just because I was locked up. That's the only reason. No, thank you, Jess. Can I have Jess be with me wherever I go from here on out?
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Thank you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
So you're mad that fans are actually coming to the stadium on time. This is a shock to you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I don't know.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I think it's even beyond that. Bryson DeChambeau, you could argue, is now the most popular golfer in the world. Period. And there's rumors that he would even leave Live and go back because he's basically made a pot from it. His public perception, he had zero social cost. He had a social benefit from reinventing himself on YouTube and not being on the PGA Tour every week.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I want to explore David's damp bottom some more. I probably shouldn't have said that sentence at the beginning of the introduction today. Internet lives forever. Exactly. Clip it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Well, you know, we're old, David. Yeah, all three of us. And Dominique. So what we see now more so is when people are taking pictures, young people especially, some of them like to make the handgun gesture and, you know, let you know that, you know, I keep it loaded even though no one is shooting anyone with handgun gestures. The problem I have with it is who has John Morant seen this work for?
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Right. Like like after a while, you got to you got to study the behavior and think, oh, I've seen this work for Jordan. I've seen this work for LeBron. And even if you don't want to be those people, look at Isaiah Ryder's career, like look at certain careers where you're like, oh. Maybe I want to stay away from this.
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The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
And if his goal is to make as little money off the court as possible, then knock yourself out, player. But I don't get it. You know, I got an eight-year-old son. I try to teach him certain things. I'm sure John Moran's dad has tried to teach him certain things.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
But once a guy gets this position and has been emboldened by as much money and also the talent that he carries and the impact that he has on that city, you just got to hope he grows out of certain things. But the gun gesture thing – I mean, I remember when Chris Webber was doing a throat slash, and people were upset with that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Batman Logo (feat. Sam Morril)
Wow. Yesterday's show was so good. It was a top three show. According to Jason.
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
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The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
Hi, so to touch on a couple of things you just said. I, for one, don't speak robot good. So Alexa and I have a love-hate relationship. I tell her I love her and then she tells me she hasn't figured out what love is yet. I'm not too worried about that. The movie I, Robot is an interesting movie where we had cops for robots and
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
So as long as I don't start seeing robots in the street and make a decision, I understand it, but it doesn't mean I have to love it and like it. I can respect it. At the same time, Glenn, I was with an Amish person today and we went to fix a shed. And so we were just talking about losing a hat or not having it, depending on technology, because as a truck driver, we use the GPS all the time. Well,
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
A lot of people don't know how to use a GPS. And they don't know how to use a Randy McNally app. So you take those equations and you look at what the Amish have evolved to, to what we've evolved to. There's two different worlds of technology there. So just common sense. You've got to have common sense.
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
If you don't have common sense, like you said, you're just going to be relying on robots and machines to do everything for you.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
Hi, so to touch on a couple of things you just said. I, for one, don't speak robot good. So Alexa and I have a love-hate relationship. I tell her I love her and then she tells me she hasn't figured out what love is yet. So I'm not too worried about that. The movie I, Robot is an interesting movie where we had cops for robots.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
So as long as I don't start seeing robots in the street and making decisions... Ich verstehe es, aber das bedeutet nicht, dass ich es lieben muss und es mag. Ich kann es respektieren. Am gleichen Zeit, Glenn, war ich heute mit einem Amish und wir sind ein Schatten fixiert.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
Wir haben gerade darüber gesprochen, ob man ein Hat verliert oder nicht, abhängig von der Technologie, weil als Fahrradfahrer benutzen wir den GPS immer. Viele Leute wissen nicht, wie man einen GPS benutzt. Und sie wissen nicht, wie man einen Randy McNally Hat benutzt. Ja.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
So, you take those equations and you look at what the Amish have evolved to, to what we've evolved to, there's two different worlds of technology there. So, just common sense. You've got to have common sense. If you don't have common sense, like you said, you're just going to be relying on robots and machines to do everything for you.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
The loved one? Did you actually meet in kindergarten? Yeah, so she was on the playground, and I was like, dang, she's so cute.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Anyways. And I was like, let me get your number. She was like, I don't have a phone yet. Really? No.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, I'm the youngest person here. No, you're not. I don't turn 16 until May, so I have two months. You're 15? Yes. Wait, you can't drive? No. I got dropped off by my mom, dude. That's crazy. I got dropped off by my mom, dude.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I don't have a ride back. I'm still trying to find one. That's nice. Well, if you need a ride, go back with that.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Fiery. It's very unique. Fiery. Fiery. Yeah. Fiery.
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Me? Yeah. I just love it. Can we see? It's low-key corny, but the last episodes were really good. Cobra Kai is corny. I watched that show. I said, what am I watching? No. I can do a flip. Do you want a flip? Okay.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
well what was the question i asked you uh about feelings oh no no no i'm talking about way way way before oh i said what what inspired you to start videoing harper okay okay y'all wanna hear my life story with it okay yeah yeah yeah life story wow yes yeah it's his life story so no there's a lot more to it than just like i asked for a photo okay so when i was like in fourth grade i've always wanted to like make content right like used to make youtube channel and i had i made one of those you ever like wanted to know the lyrics to a song you looked up on youtube like lyrics too and then you
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That's the only thing I used YouTube for I didn't realize that people like scrolled through shorts Yeah, so I used to do that and then I made a bunch of those I got like a million views on one of them I used to when I was like 10 and then background but back when I met Harper and then I got like a million views I got a million views on YouTube. Yeah, and then I started doing like other stuff.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I was just post random It was so cool. It was like how to voice crack like stupid things like that and And then I quit because I got really sad about it. Can you show us how to do that? No, no, no.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Maybe later. Let me first story. Maybe later.
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I'm sure you got it. And then in like in like seventh grade I started making like tick-tock you see like those tick-tock shop ads Oh, yeah, so sick our shop ads and I got like 20,000 subscribers 20,000 Followers on tiktok on that account and I dropped you're not really educated in the things.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I'm sorry and then I I started jump shipping and then after all that I was like I wanted to like get more like like famous in a way, if that makes sense. So I was, I was at church. So, um, I was going to, I don't know if you Catholic or wait, you want to be famous. So you're at church. This goes into, this goes into it. Okay. So I was at church and I went to confessions.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
It's something that Catholics do. Um, I'm not feeling that. Yeah. Okay. So then, um, after that, I felt like I was feeling better about myself. And then I prayed the next day at church. I was praying like, like for something to work out. Like, I don't know what it was like anything. Cause I know what to do, but for something to work out. And the very next day,
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Someone told me the Harper was moving the candy.
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Oh, oh, yeah, try not to touch it All right the very next day My bad for the yap session, but the very next day The next day
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
All right, so once over was moving to Canada and I was like And I was like I was like they can I talk and I was like all right um I want to ask you for a photo if she's moving to Canada cuz I like Yeah, I thought she was seriously moving like permanently and I was like okay, well she's someone famous I want to get a picture so I asked her she thought no I was messing with her, but I actually I seriously wanted a photo.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
No, I swear. I promise. You're a little fan. I shouldn't swear. That's bad.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
No, my friend was like, you should record it and post it. I was like, no way. It's a good idea.
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Yeah, I know. But we videoed it. It got like 30 million views and then just turned into a whole thing.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
So this is happening and then I was in class one day so this is a big story I was in class one day and then this girl was like She was talking to me about something about God right and she changed my whole perspective on like how I thought about something about like how I view God and everything else and And that very same day, my friend texted me.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
He was giving me free tickets to the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fight. And I ended up going with another friend. His name is Isaac. He does YouTube. And he pushed me to do YouTube videos. But I ended up going with him. We both got a bunch of videos. So after that, I just kept on filming. And, like, so then I started a YouTube channel. Then I started Twitch.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
And then I've been grinding for the past, like, two weeks. And then that's the whole story. That's where I'm at right now. So you do Twitch now? I just started, like, two weeks ago. But I have, like, a whole separate account for, like, clips and stuff and YouTube. It's just a whole thing. Wow. Man, it's working. I spend a lot of my hours in my life editing and stuff.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
It's something today happened that was so crazy. Okay, so it's in my room, right and I was like nervous like why are you being self-centered?
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Yeah, it's sorry All right, so I was in my room and I was like super nervous like about like this I was like, no, I was mainly scared they were nervous to go in that podcast. Okay.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
So, um... No, I actually forgot they were there, dude. Yeah, it is. I was literally telling y'all what was going on. Okay. Yeah. So... What was I at? You were nervous in your room. Yeah, I was super scared. Practicing your voice. I was, like, thinking, like, what if I go there and I don't act like myself? I was thinking, what if I go there and I don't act like myself and stuff?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
So then I'm sitting there thinking about it, and then I look at my phone.
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No, I don't know. Maybe this is yours. I don't know. I'm so sorry for you mad.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
All right No, no, no, it's not mine and look at my phone and I got I got I got a notification from this group chat It was my priest he said a Bible verse to the to the group chat that my church has And the first thing that said it was like Luke it was chapter 12 verse 1 to 7 It just said don't be afraid and then there was like dots like you have to press on today Yeah, while I was thinking in my room like ow, I'm so scared like yeah Oh
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Except for the wood. I got wood on the wall. Hey, yo, Matt built that.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
So what is doing like, I don't know, not like, how does one like being like trustworthy to someone? Like,
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
How does that make you feel? It actually might be yours, just two.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
And I was just surprised. It doesn't, like, affect me. I don't know.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, the football. And I'm a track. Football.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I do high jump, and then I was in the 4x1, 4x2, and the 100, but I got put on varsity for high jump, and you can't like... You did all of those?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, why do you got a problem with everything?
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, why do you got a problem with everything?
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Y'all see this? I deal with this every day. This is... Like, seriously. Yeah, I don't know how he does it, honestly.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Maybe if Harper wasn't on it, then you can work something out.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Who said that? So now you're lying about me, and you're making a problem.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Is that a bad thing, too? You guys over there? That's what I was scared of.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
You can. Sorry, I won't look at the TV. No, no, no. Stop looking at the TV.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Why is she making an issue with everything? I don't know, but I don't understand. Can we switch seats, bro? No, that's okay. Why are you trying to get away from me?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Oh, yeah. So it's not Harper. It's the seat that smells bad? No, it's... Why would you say I smell bad?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Okay, but when I open my mouth, it's a big problem. Yeah, be quiet.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
We picked out one of the singular tables and we sat on it together.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Sephora to get her some new perfume. Oh, my God.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Like, what do you mean like on TikTok? Oh, here's a good one.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
question i'll keep looking wait i want to know what you are passionate about me yeah singing oh yeah don't you want to become a singer no i'm asking you dude oh my bad sorry no aren't don't you want to become a singer because when we were in seventh grade you sent me a video of you singing oh my gosh that was so fire yeah you sent her a video of you wait was it like a was it like a love song i just learned um you know say you want to go yeah i learned on my guitar say you want to go like that
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Oh, yeah. Bring that baby in here. I can tune it. I got an app.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Just play with it untuned. All right. I got you. Untuned? I'll be able to tell the talent. Can I play the song that I sang to Harper? Yeah. Yeah.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
A man that can play the guitar. Wow. This is the song that I sang. I'm not going to sing it.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
That was already good. Wait. I messed it up.
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Feastables. What do I do with this? That's a good answer. This? Let me see. Let me see it.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
We got sophomore homecoming, whatever it's called.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I was trying to make a video of Baby Gronk, and then we missed it.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
No, he didn't say that. He didn't say that. He didn't say that. He didn't say that. You can't read some of these out loud.
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Wait, bucket list? Read them all out loud. All right.
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Visit several wonders of the world. Wait, read the big one. Read the big one.
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Read the big one. The one with three lines.
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I don't know. I just like put it one day sit at the edge of a tall building in New York Oh my gosh, can you stop making it do it like we're having fun learn how to speak Arabic aren't you Arabic?
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
No, but seriously, why are you, like, saying all this stuff? Can I copy and paste that low-key?
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Oh, my gosh. Stop making everything so annoying.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Honestly? Okay. What do you like about him? Let me go first. Honestly, I can't think of anything right now. It's okay. Just don't touch the mic. Yeah, there you go. You're making me so mad. I can't think of anything right now. Like, seriously.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
No, that's not really how the game is supposed to be played.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I mess with the hair. There you go. It's different.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Okay, say something emotional. All right, emotional. She has really good, like, she's really good at not having a high temper.
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I played it when I was five. Oh, like you, okay, I know what you're talking about. I know it's called memory match, what?
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Probably, like, the homey that didn't get sent is gonna see this. Someone named, like, Ethan. He's my English.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Don't really I'm not like really friends anybody at school. I guess like acquaintances.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
She's been trying to talk for, like, two minutes. Y'all keep interrupting. Yeah, that's what we really do on this show, honestly.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, I didn't see that on your bucket list, so I was kind of concerned. Oh, my bad. It goes under the Be Famous. It's all stacking up. All in one.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, what is she? Is she not the same age, pretty much? Yeah, but we don't hang out like that.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
or than uh social media me yeah besides like sports not really wait like harper harper said you bought a car Yeah, from all the TikToks. Paid off. Me too. That's cool.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I posted it on my story and I said, thanks, Harper. Yeah, that's so nice. It was a very heartfelt moment.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
No, she said no problem. Actually, yeah, and then and then you texting me like a robot. Look, let me read it Frank It was like save it after though. She was texting me like a robot. Look. Oh She goes, um, no problem. And then I said, well, I mean y'all you're really swiping y'all must text a lot Yeah, and then she said, um, you got that money from the guy said yeah, she goes I'm so proud of you.
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That's amazing with an exclamation mark It was just like a robot text though
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Don't plug your mic back in. No, I'm good. Don't do that. All right. You don't want to, like, say your social or anything? Can I play some outro music? No. No, we'll get copyrighted. Oh, okay. All right.
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The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Okay. And that is my thought. Do whatever it takes.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Yeah, so I want to try to be succinct and not really reveal too much, but as much as I can.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Do we need to be careful in how we ask follow-up questions?
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Oh, maybe it's not. Anything you need to ask. Okay. Basically, me and my fiancée are getting married. We're just doing a one-on-one ceremony, me and her, in about a month. And we had decided... to fund this ourselves. And our budget was around 10 to $12,000. Um, in the initial discussions, I was going to bring X amount of money. Um, she was going to bring a significant portion.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
So I was going to bring around $2,500. She was going to cover the rest. Um, when we had this discussion, when we planned this, I had decided, um, or excuse me, I had budgeted based on projected income for the month of January and how much margin I would have in my budget.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Um, that did not come to fruition and it's created a strain because I'm not able to contribute the portion that I thought I would be able to. I'm in a very tight budget right now. Um, I will follow that up with, um, I am bringing debt into this marriage from the second, uh, We've even discussed marriage. She's had a full look into my finances. She sees what I spend. There's no nothing hidden.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
And we have agreed that when we combine our finances, when we get married, that we're going to do the marriage we plan to bring the debt to attack the debt that I'm bringing into the marriage. So a couple of things, there is a lot of shame and guilt on my end too. And on her end, I think there might be some not necessarily resentment building, but, I don't want that to happen.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
And yesterday there was kind of some expression of that.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Yes, yes, and that's kind of the question. All right, second question.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Yeah, I don't understand. This was kind of the dream that she had and what we had thought we could budget for. And so there's been deposits placed, airline tickets placed, thin money already spent. That would be really hard to sort of bring up. Okay, so hold on a second. Hold on.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Well, no, it's still affordable, just the portion that I was supposed to afford. I just don't understand, George, why we're spending $12,000.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Well, that's exactly my question. We can do it, and per our conversation last night, the sort of thought is just get it done. But my question is more relational. I don't want there to be any harbored resentment. or doubt from her because I was not able to uphold my end of the bargain.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
As far as I know, absolutely not, no. And 100% transparency, no.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
and I think that's worth a second conversation with her okay and that's the shame that I'm feeling as well and that's and I guess I just
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
I do two things. I'm a field inspector and I sell real estate and a field inspection job is my main source of income. Um, I was, I make basically just enough to pay my bills to get by with that. And then real estate, I switched brokerages, um, back to a brokerage that I have been affiliated with before.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
So, um, when I made this change, we discussed it and said, Hey, you know, I can either focus my attention at this real estate, and see the benefits from that three to six months from now, I've done that before. I know what it looks like, or I can in the immediate and the next three months go get a job doing whatever on the side to stack cash for this elopement.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
And we decided that the first option was, was how I would proceed. Um, there was about a 15 or about, excuse me, a $2,000 job through this field inspection job that I do that was anticipating and told what happened in January and that money was earmarked for the elopement and that work never came to fruition through the company that I'm working with.