Jason
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
We crushed your questions. Admit it. We are giving people ground truth data to underwrite your own opinion. What do you guys think? That was fun. That was great.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
interesting kind of points of tension and conflict and behavioral shifts that maybe are undesirable or that are different than what we've had as a species in the past. And so much of like how we're wired, how our brains work in the context of modern technology, modern society is causing some behavioral system changes that maybe are a bit scary. Does that sound like a fair way to describe the art?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I want to accumulate likes and views. And I want to come back to this point about status that you made earlier. And I want to kind of relate it to... human history as well, because it's really important to understand where that comes from, where does status as a desire come from?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And so can you blame them, right? It was kind of like- This is my point about like instant access. I've always had this belief that the Zen Buddhists got it right. They always had it right. There are two key aspects of human nature that if you can address those, you solve all the world's problems, which is desire and dualism, dualistic thinking.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And the aspect of desire that plays out in this context is I, at any given moment now, have access or can see, can create a desire for something that I would, if I was sitting in a village without a phone, I wouldn't have a desire to be on a private jet.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But now I'm sitting on this phone, I'm seeing this funniest moment or this most beautiful person or this incredible experience that I am not a part of. I am not in, I don't get it. Instant desire creation for me.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
So the dopamine aspect, I also question as anticipatory because I think, I don't know if it was your book or some other research I've read about dopamine being released in anticipation, not necessarily in the satisfaction of acquisition. That the acquisition of something always feels a little bit Okay, I got it. Whereas the moment right before you get it, it's when you get the best opening.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But I do think like this point about is status a point of desire, right? So I don't know that I want something until I see someone else with it. Like that becomes the notion of desire for me.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And that plays into like I see someone with a million likes on their photo. I don't have a million likes on my photo. So I suddenly want that, like that creates a new emptiness in my spirit that didn't exist before, or in my brain that didn't exist before, that then I'm on this constant circuit looking for how do I do something that creates a million likes?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Because that's something that others have that I don't have.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But there's always been this notion of celebrity and kind of, you know, like this, the celebrity replaced the monarchy, replaced the church, whatever. But nowadays with the influencer culture, the celebrity is accessible, meaning I have access to being in that state. So it creates this deep, dark hole for me, at least this is my read on it, that I can't I'm not in that state, but I should be.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I could be. Therefore, I have this deep emptiness because theoretically, I could be that person. It's not like there's a caste system. It's not like there's a monarchy where your blood determines whether or not you get to be a king or the church where the Lord determines whether you get to be in charge. In this case, someone got there, but I'm not there. So I get to see.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And not only that, but my reference library historically was like four to six sitcoms a week. Now my reference library is four to six TikTok videos a minute. And I'm just like, suddenly there's all these different things that I don't have and statuses that I don't, that I haven't accumulated. Should we talk about...
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
So from an institutional perspective, fair enough. Yeah. I thought about this deeply, like outside of the context of your book that, you know, humans in the last kind of century and a half have had this kind of industrial production thrust upon us, then digital media thrust upon us, and then open markets and globalization thrust upon us.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I've got to imagine that the reaction has been amazing to anyone that's not gone through this problem as children, right? Like you, if you, have you, have you talked to the, um, the Gen Z about the proposal?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
What is the connection between Beams and Coddling of the American Mind and the Anxious Generation and what we see on college campuses recently. So can you comment on the protests, the recent activities on campus and maybe help us kind of understand, is there a difference or is this a continuation?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
So my previous book, The Coddling of the American Mind began when my friend- Which by the way, I gave a copy to everyone at our summit last year. So we gave away 1,800 copies of your book. It was my pick, yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
all of which give us kind of instant access to knowledge about the state of the world in a way that we've never had. Historically, humans maybe saw a family, maybe their village. It wasn't like mass communication, but with digital media, I can see the good life of someone on a private jet
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
1000 miles away, and I can live stream their private jet experience, I can theoretically order a Louis Vuitton bag and have it arrive in a couple of hours, if only I had the means that creates this kind of like tension, I can have any experience I want to because of the system of markets that have kind of put in place.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
This is my point about like dualistic thinking, like the whole core of like the Zen Buddhist approach is to get rid of the sides in a system. But can you talk a little bit about this oppressor oppressed concept and how critical it is to social behavior and now social evolution. I've thought a lot about this over the last year.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And I feel like so much of human societal development, politics, purchasing behavior is all driven by this concept of oppressor and oppressed, which can be approximated as the haves and the have-nots. And at any given moment, I can feel like a have-not to some other have. And theoretically, I'm a have to someone else who's a have-not.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
My have not identity drives me to purchasing, to getting likes on Facebook, to changing who's in office, to deciding which company I should spend money on and which company I should not spend money on. And that this notion extends its way into feeling oppressed, meaning there's a system in place that's keeping me from having something that someone else has.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And maybe you can talk a little bit about has this changed? Has this always been in human psychology? Is this changing because of modernity and why? would be great.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And I think like historically took generations for things like the Bible or the Quran or monarchical systems to kind of permeate and, you know, kind of make society believe a certain system. But now you can kind of pump the right message to someone and shift their brain and things change quite considerably.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
No, it seems accurate. Giving the pendulum is shifting. What do you see broadly socially right now? Are we still in this loop where we are creating oppressor
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
oppressed kind of constructs perpetuating policy or are folks in the left saying it's gone too far it's time to make a change now folks are feeling because i've seen a lot of folks that have traditionally been i'm not a i'm not a politics guy i'm not a in a political party or anything
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But I've seen like a lot of folks who I know who are traditionally Democratic voters, Democrat voters who are now Republican voters after what's happened over the last couple of years. Surprisingly, shockingly, would have never sworn that would have been the case 10 years ago. Are things changing now? Is that sort of shift going to be what pulls things policy-wise the other way?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Just subtly racist. Can you talk a little bit about what traditional liberalism and conservatism should look looks like? Because a lot of people in our public audience, a lot of people I talk to, they're confused now about the terms because so much of traditional liberalism feels illiberal because of your point about far left behavior.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Traditional conservatism feels illiberal because of far right behavior. What is the difference between the two and kind of help us bring balance to the force?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
The first industrial revolution, yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
A lot of people discard it. They don't pay as much attention to it. It's not that big compared to what's happening now.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
I think that was such an excellent commentary for people to hear. I want to ask one follow-on, which is, why has liberalism and conservatism in some aspects switched? One of the things I think a lot of folks observe is that modern liberalism
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
is a lot of redistribution, equality for the oppressed, bring everyone up to the same outcome, the same level on an outcome basis, which limits the freedom and flexibility of others. It limits free markets, for example. You know, more taxes, more regulations is one way to characterize that, that conservatives will say. More taxes and more regulation is not John Stuart Mill.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
It's not more free market enablement. And then on the flip side, this idea of conservatives want to have less government, less regulation, less taxes, which can drive more inequality of outcome, et cetera, can drive, in fact, Fundamentally, and I believe this very deeply, free markets drive progress, technological progress and social progress.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
And as a result, by getting technology out, the most disempowered benefit the most by new technology. They can progress more than the wealthy can progress. And so why has that flipped? Why is conservatism and liberalism in some aspects flipped? And when did that happen?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Can we do some quick lightning round questions on parenting? So my kids are, I got three daughters under seven. There's a conversation amongst the parents. When do you let the kids get phones? When do you let them get on social media? And some of the parents don't listen. So then the kid, you got a couple of kids in the class that are on social media. They're on iPhones.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
It's fifth grade, fourth grade, whatever. And the kids that aren't are the have-nots. They're left out. They're not able to be on the text screen with the kids that are. So they're not cool. They're socially disengaged. They're angry at their parents. They're sad. How do you address that as a parent?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
where you've got some of the kids in the class that are doing this, given the framing you provided earlier on the best rules.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
But then if some of the parents don't agree, and then you've got this class system that forms amongst the social, you know, groups of the kids, you got some kids that are, that have this. You just hold the line.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Very flat. Yeah, very flat. Yeah.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Yeah, variable rewards.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
Can you just hit on why, from an evolutionary biology perspective, we are wired this way? What is the wiring that's being tapped into here?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
It's great to have you, John. Thanks for joining us. I know you've done a lot of media lately, and a lot of it has focused on the anxious generation, which has obviously got some really important topical conversations embedded within it and that people are now having because of it. I first read the happiness hypothesis years ago.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
In fact, in one of our first episodes of the All In pod back in 2020, I referenced it and I referenced some material from the happiness hypothesis. my general take on the themes of your work is evolutionary biology meets modernity. Does that sound like a reasonable take that the nature of the human being in a modern age causes these really
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Thanks for taking the time.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Yeah, what are we doing?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Elon Musk | All-In Summit 2024
Got it. Next to the ocean. Next to the ocean. Because there's a little bit of water there too.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Professor Mirsham, if we were to take Jeffrey's position here that we are exerting power for the sake of our reputation and, in fact, to weaken dictatorships, if I'm summarizing correctly here, is that not a good strategy to weaken dictators around the world who might like to invade other countries?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Is there a framing in which you could see that being for a world where democracy and people living freely has gone down in our lifetimes? Is that not noble? Is there not a justification somebody could make for it? I'm not saying I have that, but I'm just trying to steal me on the other side of this. Is weakening dictators and despots a good strategy? It depends.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Well, let's talk about the two that we have, you know, Xi Jinping. I think you wanted to get to eventually. And then Ukraine and Putin. Are these people worth trying to, you know, contain or even weaken?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
OK, so containment check.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
So you gave him a B? Or B plus? A minus.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
They do seem to have a big interest, Jeff, in Africa, India, Russia. And they are.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
China has a major interest.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Well, they're building nuclear power plants in trade and they're building debt loads with those countries.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
There is one player on this chessboard that hasn't come up yet. And maybe we could skate to where the puck is going. You know, when you talk about the South China Sea, OK, sure, South Korea, Japan, Australia, all of those major players there, they're just a couple of hundred million people. But then China is in population decline. Xi apparently is self-destructing in terms of trade.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Seems like containment is working pretty well there because of the all the self-inflicted wounds But the fastest growing country the fastest growing economy the quickest to develop is India and they seem to have a very pragmatic approach Hey, they'll buy cheap oil from Putin and they are their own sovereign country with their own point of view Would we not be really well advised over the next 10 to 20 years to make that our priority and India's role in this?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
How do you look at them?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
But Jeffrey, if they were making our iPhones.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Jeffrey, we're making our iPhones in India now. Is that not significantly important? Say it again. We're moving iPhone production. Cooper, maybe Cooper, you're into economics here and that impact. You got Apple moving out of China. You've got Japan funding people leaving China to Vietnam and to India. Is that not the solution here as we decouple from China?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
It seems like they come back to the table. We had Xi Jinping kick all the venture capitalists, all investment out of China. He got rid of all the education startups. And then whatever, two or three years later, he's in San Francisco asking all of us to invest more money and say, where'd you go?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
It seems like there's a lot of self-inflicted wounds.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
This is the best panel I've ever been on in my life. Can we just add ten minutes? We've got to add five or ten minutes. Is this the best panel ever?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
On that note, thank you. Let me just say, Jeffrey and John, now I know why Sachs will not stop talking about you two. This was the most amazing panel of the event so far. Give it up for Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Professor Mearsheimer, I... When we talk about power, there are other people in the world who are trying to accumulate power. We live in a multipolar world right now, and they have, in some cases, very nefarious or bad intent, and they do not have democracy. So it's one thing to tell people in Afghanistan, you need to evolve to be a perfect democracy like the one we have here.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
I think we all agree that's unrealistic and insane and not practical. But what about the free countries of the world uniting together to stop dictators from invading other free countries? Is that noble? Is that a good use of power and a good framework for America to evolve to?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
What I'm proposing is when dictatorships invade other countries, then we take action.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
Maybe defend them. It depends. Yeah, of course.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024
No, I would say diplomacy would obviously be what we'd want to exhaust, but if they do roll into other free countries, I think there's an argument for the free countries of the world to get together and say, two dictators, we're not gonna allow this.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
Yes.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
OpenAI's $150B conversion, Meta's AR glasses, Blue-collar boom, Risk of nuclear war
Delaware.
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Big Fed rate cuts, AI killing call centers, $50B govt boondoggle, VC's rough years, Trump/Kamala
Yes.
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Big Fed rate cuts, AI killing call centers, $50B govt boondoggle, VC's rough years, Trump/Kamala
has gone crazy with it. Love you, Wes.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
And so the reason this is so important is because these things cost a lot of money. And when they land here, you can clean them up. And I guess his goal is to have them take off again after he fills them with propellant an hour later, Friedberg. So on a science basis, this is extraordinary. If this works and you can start lifting these rockets.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
I think we should all be in Mar-a-Lago.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Oh my God. Can you imagine being in Mar-a-Lago and he loses?
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, it's going to be amazing. And they're going to do some, I guess, new stuff with Starlink, some even lower Earth orbit satellites that go even faster and have less latency. So that's going to be super exciting.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
It could be the largest subscription business in the history of humanity. I think the largest ones right now are like Netflix, you know, 250,000. Disney Plus, 150, Verizon, 100 million. So yeah, it could be hundreds of millions of subscribers. It could even be the first 500 million subscriber product in the world.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, obviously. It's crazy.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Chamath, any thoughts on the robo van or the A cyber cab, the Model 2, I guess some people are calling it, but it's, you know, the cyber cab specifically not calling it number two and doesn't have a steering wheel or pedals. I would have bought two of those immediately if it had a steering wheel and pedals. I want to drive it. Yeah, it looks like the hybrid of like a Model Y and the Cybertruck.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
So I kind of really love the aesthetics of it.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, you like it?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Well, in fairness, he did hurt some people's feelings with posting of memes. So yeah, I mean, it's, it makes no sense. Like the guy's like gonna save 30,000 road debts a year in the United States with self-driving and people are losing their minds over a couple of memes or who he's voting for for president. I don't think you have to worry about that.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
You can just look at the products, they speak for themselves. Anything, Sachs, any response on the Tesla front? Any thoughts on the bus or Optimus?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah. I love the bus, Freebird. I think that thing could become like mobile homes are, you know, ADUs, and you could just send them to... Can we buy them or no? Well, no, not right now, but I think that might be, you know, that's going to be a big question.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah. Well, see, if this was a platform like the Mercedes Sprinter vans have become that you see a lot in Europe, then you could buy an empty one of these. It's got enough battery life to last a month. And then let's say you had your in-laws over and there was one that was set up as like a one bedroom.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
You could click on Airbnb or, you know, Tesla BNB, press a button and the thing could drive to your driveway. You could rent it for a week and then it could leave. Or let's say 1,000 people or 10,000 people were displaced because of a hurricane free bird.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
You could send 100,000 of these to the parking lots at Walmart, which typically does a good job in feeding people and getting them supplies after hurricanes, since those are so ubiquitous. You could put 100 of these in every parking lot and have a place for people who are fleeing natural disasters to stay.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
So I thought that was like the most compelling product of the whole thing for me was the possibility of a sled, like a skiff that you could do anything you want with. would be really exciting for society. So congratulations to the team. And it's going to take a while, but I could see them having that robo-taxi.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
I saw that. He's in charge of all AI?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Oh, okay. Well, there it is.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Oh, you did?
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
And are you using the FSD? I use FSD every day.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
Yeah, that's...
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
With all of my Teslas, I put it in chill mode because when it's in that Plaid mode or whatever, like coffee goes fine.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
But if you have passengers, the kids in the backseat would get literally nauseous because it's too fast. You got to be careful with the passengers there. It's so fast.
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Dueling Presidential interviews, SpaceX’s big catch, Robotaxis, Uber buying Expedia?, Nuclear NIMBY
All right. Well, there you have it. Robo Taxi Star. We didn't get to it last week. We almost put the show back a day or two just to do it. In other news, Uber is exploring a bid to purchase Expedia. Breaking news. This was dispelled as we got here on the show. They said this was like very preliminary third party talks and that there's no serious talks going on about this.
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Financial Times reported that that advisors were trying to look at if a deal structure would be possible between Uber and Expedia. Expedia's got a $20 billion market cap. They popped 8% on the news, obviously. Uber, on the other hand, trading at $170 billion market cap or so. That dropped 3%. If you didn't know, Dara was the CEO of Expedia from 2005 to 2017. He's still on the board.
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And it looks like this was a trial balloon. You know Uber's two biggest businesses, Rides and Uber Eats, but they also do freight and train bookings. Dara's been pretty clear he wants to create a super app like you have in China or some other markets.
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Expedia's got a lot of cool products, Hotels.com, Orbitz, Travelocity, and I think the most interesting one, Freiburg, you and I were talking about, this is VRBO, Vacation Rental by Owner. It was like Airbnb before Airbnb existed. And if you look at this chart, since Dara left, the Dara effect, Expedia has gone exactly sideways. The revenue has grown modestly. What do you think of this deal?
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Chamath, I'll just go right to you with this one, since you like to... Stupid. Stupid. Okay. There you have it, folks. Reason number one, it's stupid. And reason number two, it's stupid.
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I would agree with you. And there's other things they could buy, like WeRide or Pony AI and a bunch of these AI companies that are doing self-driving. So why not double down on that? Freeburg, the one thing you and I talked about was kind of VRBO, which is a very cool marketplace. And that feels directly in the Uber kill zone.
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What do you think about them just maybe carving out and buying VRBO and having an Airbnb?
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I think that's what's going to happen. I've been hearing rumblings of that.
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Yep.
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There are a large number of people who maybe don't have a, you know, an assistant to book their hotels in advance. And like that would be most people, J. Calhoun.
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Well, no, but they already have a hotels.com partnership. And then the Uber One membership's been growing pretty nicely. And the advertising's doing a billion dollars a year. And that is just a money printing machine because you know that this person's in an Uber Black. You know that they're going to the Four Seasons. Like these users who are, you know,
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Uber Eats is working pretty well. It's working great. Yeah, the cross promotion is working.
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Yeah.
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I think the hotel's integration is good.
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Yeah, the thing that I've talked to Dara about is when they said he told me when they do something that's adjacent to what they're already doing, it explodes in terms of engagement. So like, they're doing like teens and rental cars, and then package delivery. And every time they do one of those adjacencies, it just takes off with the membership.
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And to your point, Freeberg, they have those 150 customers who have their credit cards in there. And man, it's explosive. So that's what I think they're doing.
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I think hotels would be. I don't think flights would be because I think the flights work really well with the existing apps. But things where you have proprietary inventory like VRBO or hotels, I think those would be very powerful. And those have 20%, 30% commissions, which are in line with the commission's
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That Uber's already getting and the commissions on things like flights is very small, like a couple of dollars. So I think for hotels and VRBO would be brilliant. For the other stuff, I'm not so sure. To your point, Chamath.
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Well, the thing I, you know, I would, the counter I would give to this.
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I use the Bomboy app to book hotels. I use United to book my flights and I use Uber to do my rides and obviously for Eats. When you are using it, there's a tab up top. And the UI is quite nice in Uber where it's rides and eats right next to each other. I could see a third one like hotels or travel being right there. And all of a sudden, yum, yum, you just get all that inventory right in there.
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And I frequently will book my hotel and I'll book my ride for the next day in advance on Uber. And I do those things. And then when I get to my hotel, I'm ordering food to my room. So I think this actually could work really well as a third tab in the app for travel. And you could actually because when you use eats in the Uber app, it's its own tab. And it's the exact same experience.
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I believe in super apps. And they just launched a bus that's like a bus service in New York for 18 bucks to go to JFK. That's really awesome. I think we're a little bit disconnected because we don't book our own travel. But okay, let's keep moving here. Down the docket. All right, this big tech investing in nuclear power is off to the races.
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Amazon just announced a $500 million investment in three nuclear power projects. All of these are focused on SMRs. Those are the small modular reactors. Amazon is working with dominion energy to develop a small modular nuclear reactor. near an existing nuclear power plant in Virginia. In total, Amazon plans to invest $35 billion in Virginia-based data centers by 2040.
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And they want to power these by SMRs. And this is a big trend. Google is purchasing energy directly from Kairos. Power, another company building SMRs. Microsoft, as you heard, is reviving one of the Three Mile Island nuclear power plants. So this is kind of interesting, Shabab. We went from...
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Nuclear not being on the table, everybody being against it, the Germans shutting down their reactors post-Fukushima. And now big tech is the customer for these with AI, and they're putting down very large deposits and payments to build them in America. And I haven't heard any opposition.
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Maybe you could just speak to Chamath, what we've seen here in terms of opposition to these versus the opportunity and everybody's writing checks.
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Freeberg, your thoughts on SMRs and these customers showing up? And then I guess you could comment on the nature of the deal structure here, because some of them are you know, contingent on the nuclear power plant turning on. Some of them do have deposits, is my understanding. We'll look that up and fact check it. There could be a range of deals here.
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Sacks, if we are able to get a bunch of these SMRs built here in the United States, maybe if Europe follows suit, what would this do on a geopolitical basis into our relationship with the Middle East, our energy independence, and of course, the AI race to you know, general intelligence. I'll let you take it whichever direction you want to go.
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It is the chocolate. I mean, I like the mocha. This one's chocolate. Okay. Mocha's good, too. All right.
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So you think they'll get blocked by local communities?
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Your take on a non-binary trans lesbian with purple hair. Whatever you're saying, no comment. Putting a small nuclear reactor 200 miles outside of Austin, Texas. Go. Put your tinfoil hat on.
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I mean, I think there's plenty of land outside of the triangle here in Texas where there is no density and you could put one and I'd have no problem with there being one a hundred miles, 200 miles.
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I mean, literally you would have to, it doesn't take that many people to service these. So yeah. I mean, I think there's plenty of space in the United States to put these and maybe Freebird, you could talk and educate us. on the safety here. Do you believe what Sachs is saying, that it's going to have a meltdown and he doesn't believe it?
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Tell us from a science perspective.
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So you believe they will go through out of necessity? That's your take.
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Would a possible solution be to give an economic incentive to the people who would be in the surrounding areas?
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Obviously, these things could be 50 or 100 miles from, you know, anybody's homes, but even the people who work there or people who might have, I don't know, some homes that were near it, could you give them no taxes, etc, etc, essentially give them incentives to allow this to go through Friedberg in your mind? Do you think that kind of incentive would work? taxes or some kind of payoff or subsidy?
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There's no filibustering there, right? Well, no, he's crisp in his answers.
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Let's do it. Let's do it right now. I mean, I think this is an important discussion.
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It's a great... Adversarial point, let's go to the facts.
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Of course, of course, of course.
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And if you just put these things 50 miles away, the radiation, even in the meltdowns, didn't go past those, is my understanding. So even if you want to, just the easiest steel man. The new systems don't melt down. You don't have that possibility. And the SMRs don't even work.
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What do you think, Chamath? Do you see it or no?
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Well, I was about to say, that would be... That's going to be the forcing. But if China runs away with this and they have so many of these running and then they're able to power AI and solve problems we're not, we're going to have to get our act together and start standing these up.
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And we have so much space in this country, these things could be 100, 200 miles away.
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In these data centers? Certainly.
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What would be the harm, and just Freeberg, maybe you can educate us, and the distance it could be from a city reasonably in terms of building a grid to move the energy from, could it be 200 miles from a major city, 300, 100? What's the distance?
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But it has to travel, right?
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Yeah, I'm just trying to think reasonably move it is, I guess, what I was getting at. But okay, there you have it, folks. A good debate here on the All In podcast.
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I was just thinking like if Canada and Mexico have, you know, economic incentive to do this or they're more bold, maybe they build them in their countries and they'll be selling it to the United States, right?
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They'll take the, I mean, if you're Kairos and you can't put this in the United States, but you could put it in Mexico and then come up with a, you know, a way to get it past Trump's border wall.
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Well, I mean, I think, Freiburg, I'm with you in that even with the disasters that have happened, those are with Gen 1 and Gen 2 reactors. There hasn't been one in a long time. And the fallout from them haven't been significant.
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No, the 3 and 4. The 3s are what we should be rolling out everywhere. I would be fine with one being 100 miles from my backyard. No problem. 100. China is producing a gigawatt of power.
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I don't think you should put it 10 miles outside of any city. I know that they're doing that in India. They're doing that in China. I would think, you know, if you look up the footprint of Fukushima, I mean, that was a complete disaster. They put that below sea level. They told them not to put it there.
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And they put it near a bunch of people who were living within miles of it, single digit miles of it. There's no reason for this to be any closer than 50 or 100 miles. And I would be totally fine with it being 50 to 100 miles from where I'm on my ranch right now. Absolutely no problem with that.
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That's why we're doing that with solar is we don't want people to look at a giant solar thing.
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We resolved our issue. We got the compromise here. Here we are solving world problems. Yes. I'm going to get my guitar and we're going to sing Kumbaya SMR.
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Let's do it.
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Any progress, Sax is not interested in any progress, okay? If we can go back to the 50s, that's what he wants. Let's get some coal.
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I'm virtue singling because I'm pro-nuclear?
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Nuclear power is a luxury belief.
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I just want to ask you, is everything identity politics for you, Sachs? Everything you see through the lens of poor and rich, everything.
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You're my favorite athlete.
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That's what it comes down to. Freeberg is trying to put this. Episode 200. I love it.
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The 200 shows. Zach, let me ask you a serious question.
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If Trump loses, what's the next four years of this pod going to be like? What are we going to do here if he loses? He's moving to New Zealand.
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Absolutely. They're going to come for you.
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What the Coastal Commission does is they block everything and they do pictures of the entire coastline. If you build like a shed on your beachfront property, they will know it and they come to you and they're like, no sheds. You cannot build any structures on the beach They're just like really, really hardcore.
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And this is one person at the Coastal Commission referenced his tweets. Yeah. And the vote was 6-4 to increase these. So who is this one person?
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Yeah, this is what I don't understand.
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And they've filed a, Elon's filed a lawsuit. And it's a 6-4 decision.
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And Trump is saying he's going to be a dictator and he's going to do a bunch of lawfare when he gets in there. So both of these sides got to settle it down. That's exactly what he said. This has been another amazing quote. Okay.
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Like, I'm just giving my opinion. I'm not allowed to give my opinion on the show. What are you grateful for right now in your life? I'm grateful for you doing all the work on the events and making them spectacular.
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Oh, God. I will totally go to Mar-a-Lago for election night. Can we get a booth there? That would be hilarious.
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Of course I'm invited. Trump loves me.
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Oh, please. Trump loves me. He enjoyed his time.
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Okay, I'll do it remote. That's fine. You can do it remote. That's fine. You don't want Jake out there? That's fine. Go with me. When is the election? I don't want to be at a party I'm not invited to.
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November 5th.
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I just hope whoever wins, wins like significantly. Significantly. Yeah, please win by 30 electoral votes.
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I mean, I'm going to reveal my vote on the election special. I will have my vote.
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I got my ballot on my desk here. Yeah, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. All right, everybody. This has been another wonderful episode. Oh, meetups. There are 200 episode meetups happening. Thank you to... All the fans who got together, take pictures and share them on social and at mention us all in dot com slash meetups.
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Every couple episodes, fans get together around the world and talk about their favorite bestie. It's typically Freiburg. And we'll see you next time. Bye bye. Bye bye.
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They've just gone crazy with it.
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Let your winners ride.
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Yeah, it would have been nice to have another debate between these two.
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Yeah. What did you think of J.D. Vance saying he wouldn't have certified the election? They seem to be going after him on that over and over again.
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No, no. Literally every interview, they've been chasing him down the hall asking him. He's like, I'm not the only person. I may have started it, but what did you think of him saying he wouldn't have started it?
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No, no, but the question I asked you, Sachs, was... ISU sacks about him saying he wouldn't certify January 6th.
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What do you think, Friedberg, about him saying he wouldn't certify on January 6th?
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Also, All In election night live stream is coming November 5th. You can watch live. Saks will be hosting. We're doing it. You're hosting it. Your team said you're doing it. And so you'll either get to see Saks.
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Yeah.
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But Freeberg, the question I was going to ask you is, since you're not like hosting Trump, you know, fundraisers, do you think, what did you think when J.D. Vance said he didn't think that Trump lost the 2020 election? Does that concern you at all?
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That's what I'm here for, Chamath. I'm here for you. Well, I mean, independent of who wins, we need to get this rules of elections really tight starting next year, I think. Make it a federal holiday. Require people to have ID. That doesn't seem like such a big deal. I don't know. Sacks, what else should happen?
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That would be amazing. I'll go to Mar-a-Lago. That would be fun. Yeah, if it looks good, I'll go.
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So anyway, Heritage Foundation, which is obviously right-leaning, has a bunch of election fraud cases they've been documenting, and they basically cannot come up with actual evidence that this is changing any election results, but we should make it above reproach. I agree. All right. Our boy Elon had a big week. Tesla unveiled two new concepts at its WeRobot event.
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And Elon caught a 23-story rocket, the Starship. Here's the robo-taxi and the robo-bus. Both of them look really awesome. And he caught one of the, I think this is the fifth Starship or the fourth launch? Fifth.
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So f***ing incredible. Look at this. It's so incredible. It's like chopsticks catching a 23-story building.
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Crypto regulation, everything. What did he say about deficit and debt?
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Sacks, you were going to say? Well, I just think what other job in America could Biden even be qualified for? What would you hire him to do? Is there any mental job you would hire him to do? Is there any physical job you would hire him to do? Would you hire him to be your babysitter? I mean, I don't think there's any job in America that anybody would hire him to do. Except for maybe president.
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It's kind of crazy. And this is where the Democratic Party is in shambles. We should have the highest standards for the mental acuity, sharpness, and energy level of our president. It's the most demanding job in the world.
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I'm not sure about that. I don't think it's true that people don't like Trump.
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So you're- Yeah, but I think it's wrong to say that There's not enthusiasm and love for Trump. We saw it on the streets. We saw it in that room.
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Do you see Logan Paul meeting with Trump four years ago? He was for Biden. Now he's for Trump. Have you ever seen Trump walk into a UFC event? They go nuts for him. I'm just saying there's a lot of enthusiasm and a lot of love out there for Trump, a lot of excitement. I don't see any of that for Biden. There are people who don't like Trump and that drives some support for Biden.
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But if you look at enthusiasm and excitement, it's all on the Trump side.
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Well, I think it's ironic that the winning margin, 73%, is the same margin by which shareholders approved his comp package back in 2018. So again, they got 73% voted for this 2018. Now they voted to re-approve it by the same margin. And the reason why they had to do it is because this activist judge in Delaware avoided it on the grounds that somehow the original shareholder vote wasn't valid.
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And I think this is interesting that the margin didn't change because it shows that shareholders aren't ingrates. Elon delivered what he promised, and now shareholders are ingrates. upholding their end of the bargain. And certainly they didn't have to take that position. There were different groups like CalSTRS who basically took the position, what have you done for me lately?
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Yeah, you delivered, but we don't have to pay you because of the judge, so we're not going to pay you. And I think shareholders wisely approved the package because I think there was some chance that if they reneged, that Elon could leave the company. And I still think he's absolutely vital to all the innovation that's gonna come in the future from Tesla.
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And you see this, the stock is ripping on the news. It's up about 3% today in a down market. So clearly the market thinks that securing Elon's future at the company was the right decision and shareholders did the right thing. In terms of the downstream effect on this, like you said, it raises the specter of Delaware being an activist state. That's not why anyone incorporates in Delaware.
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The reason why you incorporate in Delaware is because you think it makes you subject to an extremely predictable body of corporate law that's been tested and become bulletproof over many, many decades. And now all of a sudden, you have to worry that maybe a judge will set aside
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a shareholder vote for reasons that seem incredibly specious, especially in light of the fact that the shareholders just re-approved it. So obviously the shareholders didn't think they needed your protection and they voted to reverse you.
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And moreover, Tesla could still be subject to paying the legal fees of these trial lawyers who've asked for literally billions of dollars in legal fees that the judge still has to rule on. So imagine this, imagine that the shareholder vote gets set aside by the judge, it then gets re-approved by shareholders, but the trial lawyers who brought this nuisance suit can now get billions of dollars.
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If that happens, I mean, Delaware can kind of kiss its status as the premier corporate law state away.
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Make a list. That's exactly what they did. That's exactly what they did. It's worse if they voted yes the first time and then they voted no.
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Then maybe you're just against the deal. But if you're yes, no, then that's a renege.
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These are people who- They're public market investors, not private investors. They buy the stock on the open market, so they don't have to worry.
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The chances are probably- I think that was a risk, and I think that made people think about it.
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But remember, she's not investing in private companies. She's buying stock on the open market.
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Oh, okay. I didn't know that.
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Let's call this whole thing what it is. It was a heist. You had these trial lawyers. They find a name plaintiff who's got nine shares. And on a contingency fee basis, they go after Elon's pay package. What are they looking for? $5.6 billion.
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That's what motivated this whole thing. They don't care about Tesla. They don't care about the company. They don't care about shareholders. They're looking for a giant multi-billion dollar contingency fee payment. And they took their shot. And they found a Delaware judge to basically agree with them even though shareholders approved it. And then shareholders re-approved it.
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So my question is, how much are these trial lawyers gonna get? Is a judge gonna award them billions of dollars for what was clearly now a mistake to avoid a pay package that shareholders wanted to stick with?
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If they award these lawyers billions of dollars, which is what they're seeking, no one's gonna wanna do business in Delaware anymore because it subjects you to these stick-up heists by trial lawyers. So I think that's going to be the next big shooter drop is what do these trial lawyers get awarded?
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No, I'm serious. Here's an idea. Buy the shares yourself. Yeah, they said, we don't like your management of the company, but we want to be paid in your shares.
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They secured the bag. But Delaware is supposed to protect corporations against this grift. That's why people incorporate there.
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Let's go. All right. Let's get some action. Is this guy on right now? LFG.
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That's amazing. Sax is ready for another round. We turned 10 into 25. All right. So are we going to have a separate all in balance? We just keep rolling it every week. Yeah, can you come back next week? This is even rolling.
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Well, the market definitely thinks so because Apple was up big on this news. And even if it was largely vaporware at this point, the market definitely liked where they were going. And frankly, Apple did exactly what I said they should do last week, which was to reinvent Siri as an LLM with the capability to reach into apps as an agent and take actions on the user's behalf.
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That's what they effectively announced. However, Apple took a shortcut to get here. They partnered with OpenAI, and this is something that I don't think they've ever really done before at the operating system level. Apple is famous for being vertically integrated, for being a walled garden, for being end-to-end.
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They control everything from the chips to the hardware to the operating system, and they don't let anybody else in until you're at the App Store layer. This is allowing somebody in beneath the level of the App Store. This is allowing someone... Open AI to get access to your data and to control your apps at the operating system level.
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And I think Elon pointed out, wait a second, what are the privacy implications here? And I think there are major privacy implications. There's simply no way that you're going to allow an AI on your phone to take all these actions on your behalf without giving that model substantial amounts of user data. And that is a huge change for Apple. Remember, Apple in the past
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has been the advocate for consumer privacy. There's a whole issue of the San Bernardino terrorist, where the FBI went to Apple and said, we want you to give us backdoor access to their phone, and Apple refused to do it and went to court to defend user privacy.
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And furthermore, one of Apple's defenses to the arguments, the antitrust arguments for allowing sideloading and allowing other apps to get access to parts of the operating system, as they've always said, we can't do this because it would jeopardize user privacy and user security. Well, here they are opening themselves up
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to open AI in a very deep and fundamental way in order to accelerate the development of these features. In other words, they took the shortcut. They could have developed the LLM themselves. They could have developed the AI themselves, but they chose not to do that.
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And I think this is going to open Pandora's box for Apple because, again, they've proven that they can open up the operating system to a third party now. And who knows what the privacy implications of this are going to be.
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First of all, let me say that, you know, we've talked about AI General Hospital and all the soap opera issues around OpenAI. Yeah. And, you know, Judge Tax had opinions on that. Yes. But putting that aside, I mean, everyone acknowledges that their products are awesome. I mean, OpenAI makes really great products with ChatGPT 4.0 being at the top of the list.
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And I talked about how when we moved from ChatGPT 4.0 Turbo to 4.0 at Glue, the speed and quality went up, you know, at least 2x and it felt like 10x. So they have the best language model as of this point in time. And they also have other products that are really great, like the Whisper API, which does transcription. I mean, there's a whole bunch of tools they have that are great for developers.
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So nobody's taking anything away from them on the product side. And I think you're seeing that in this revenue number. Now, if I was to try and take apart this business as an investor, I would separate the B2C business from the B2B business. The B2C is a consumer subscription plan, people paying $20 a month. I'm one of them. I pay the $20 a month.
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It's probably the only LLM that I would pay $20 a month for. How often do you use it? Daily, weekly, monthly? I'd say a handful of times. To be honest, it's not like a daily use for me, but I probably use it every week, I would say, at least once. So I still use it. I have to say, though, that the other LLMs are catching up.
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And if Gemini ever gets good enough or when Grok gets to the next level, am I going to stick with that $20 a month plan? I'm not sure. It depends whether OpenAI can really... maintain the leadership it has or the perception of leadership. Okay, so that's half the business. And then the other part of the business is the B2B, which is the API products that effectively they're selling to developers.
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And that's where I would place the future value of this company. I mean, as somebody who invests in SaaS, when we see a business that has B2C subscriptions and B2B, we place all the value on B2B. And the reason is because Historically, the churn rates in B2C are too high. 5% to 10% churn rates are common. 50% a year per month. 50% churn a year are very common.
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OpenAI may not be experiencing that yet, but it's very hard to avoid the downdraft of consumer churn. And on the other hand, on the B2B side, a good B2B business has expansion, 120%, 150% expansion year over year from same customers. In other words, they're ordering more.
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Yeah. The first thing I'd want to know is how much of the $3.4 billion is consumer and how much of it is developers?
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Collaborative AI.
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That's interesting. So you use multiple LLMs to find the hallucinations.
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That's actually pretty interesting.
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But you're not going to pay for four of these, right? How many would you be willing to pay for? I would pay for five. You'd pay for five different LLMs?
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Well, as a work tool. Because it's 1% of their salary. Okay, so as a work tool. As a work tool, no problem. I guess there's three categories to their business now that you're raising this. There's sort of the consumer subscriptions. Then there's the business subscriptions, which are basically the consumer product, but a company's paying for it. Correct.
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And then there's the developers paying for metered API usage.
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Yeah, it's kind of like Microsoft Office or Google Docs where consumers use them for free or want to use them for free and then companies will pay for it and that's where the real money is.
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I actually disagree with that framing, Jason.
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The dealer's probably making a porno in the next room.
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Well, look, we just had this inflation report. CPI was 3.3%. The market was expecting 3.4%. So that's a teeny bit better than expected, but it's still persistently sticky, inflation is. And furthermore, Powell's comments were very hawkish. He basically said he could not commit to when rate cuts might begin.
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And we're already, remember, at the beginning of the year, we entered the year with expectations for seven rate cuts this year. Now we're down to an expectation of one rate cut. And we can't say for sure when that's going to happen. So honestly, I think your introduction overstated how positive this news was. And that's why I think if you look at the markets right now, it's very mixed.
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Most tech stocks that I'm seeing are actually in the red. And a few of them, like Tesla and Apple and Nvidia, are up. But the vast majority are in the red. So I think the market is taking this in stride. I think the big picture here is just we don't know when red cuts are going to begin. And I think that Vinnie Lingham had a really interesting take on this, actually, where
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He said, look, could Powell cut by a quarter point? Would that matter that much? No, it wouldn't matter that much. But the point is, Powell doesn't want to say that the rate-height cycle is over, right?
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If he were to cut by a quarter point, that by itself wouldn't do much, but it would be a huge statement that we're out of the woods on inflation, there's not going to be any more hikes coming, and we're beginning a new rate-cut cycle. And Powell is clearly unwilling to say that. We're still in this limbo where he is saying that we don't know when rate cuts are going to begin.
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On the back of like two stocks. I mean, NVIDIA is holding up the whole market. There's a lot of funny memes about this.
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AI stocks are holding up the whole market.
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If you're asking what his incentives are, I agree with Chamath. I think his main incentive at this point is concern for his historical legacy. And specifically, he wants to be thought of like Volker, not like Arthur Burns in the 70s. Volker...
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basically crushed inflation even at the cost of a recession, and he is worshipped today as the best Fed chair ever, whereas Burns let inflation slip the leash in the 1970s, and he's not thought of very highly. So I think that Powell's main concern here is with his historical legacy at this point. I don't think he's expecting to be reappointed. He's wrapping up his second term already.
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Now, I think if you go back to 2021, the incentives were a little bit different. Powell wanted to be reappointed by Biden, And remember that in the summer of 2021, that's when the inflation began. We had that surprise 5.1% inflation print. Powell was up for renomination and confirmation in November of 2021. And I think what happened back in that year
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is the administration downplayed the inflation report. They called it transitory. Yellen did, Biden did. And so Powell had to get on board with that message if he wanted to get confirmed by the Democrats. And he did get on board with that message. He repeated the whole transitory point. And for that reason, they didn't begin the rate hike cycle until March of the following year.
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And from that May inflation print to November, they kept doing QE, even though we had inflation back in the system. So I think that Powell was actually intensely political in 2021. He knew who was going to reappoint him and who was going to have to confirm him. And he got on board with that message. And that's why they were so slow to react to the inflation. And I think it was disastrous.
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And that's one of the reasons why the rate tightening cycle was so steep is because he had to catch up with all this inflation that he had allowed for nine months longer than he should have. But if you ask me what's his incentive now, I think it's purely about legacy. And he does not want to let inflation come back after cutting rates a little too soon.
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So his incentive, I think, at this point is to make sure that he's not wrong again about inflation.
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I know. You ever feel like when you like tiptoe into the bet with like a small amount, but you want to do more and then you win and you feel like you actually lost money because if you had made a bigger bet, you would have made more.
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Well, no, there's politics when they're up for appointment or for re-election. appointment for confirmation, basically, because they want to get that vote. Yes, but subtle pressure.
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Yeah, they don't have to. I mean, the Fed is independent.
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this year because there is no political pressure. There was in 2021, and I think that's why he was slow to react. Listen, if Powell can stick the landing here, then his legacy comes out intact. But if he screws this up, and then he was slow to react to the inflation back in 2021 and 2022, his legacy is going to be mud.
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So I think he's going to be more concerned about erring on the side of tamping down inflation than erring on the side of the economy not doing as well. I think those are the incentives.
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There's a handful of tech stocks that are, no, no.
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I don't know, Jason. Look, I'm hearing a lot of happy talk right now. And I agree with you. You had 1.3% GDP growth rate with a 6% of GDP deficit by the government. If the government wasn't printing so much money, wasn't overspending, if you were to have a balanced budget... It would be a recession. Yeah. Yeah. Think about that.
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And a lot of the jobs you're talking about are government jobs. The government is creating jobs like crazy, not in the private sector, but in the public sector because it is an election year. So there's a lot of political forces propping things up. And I wonder what happens after the election.
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Instead, we put 10. We won 15. I lost 60.
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Just one last thing, guys. This is really important. So friend of the pod, Peter Fenton, who's a famous VC in Silicon Valley, tweeted that his sister has been diagnosed with a rare sarcoma and they are searching for lookalike cases to do a study at Dana-Farber. And If this works, it will change the future of cancer.
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But they are seeking, this researcher, William Gibson, who he's retweeting, is seeking patients with myoxoid myosarcoma featuring a PLAG1 fusion. So if you are somebody out there who has a case like this, then please reach out and let us know or let Peter Fenton know. This could save a life. or many lives. His sister is also the wife of a good friend of ours, Pete Brigger.
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So our thoughts are definitely with you. And if there's anybody out there who has this type of sarcoma, please let us know. And we can refer you to Dana-Farber. And this is a very important study that may save some lives.
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We made a Jake Nelson's back. Yeah.
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Well, should we take you guys behind the scenes of a presidential fundraiser? I admit I've never done one before, so it was a new experience for me. When you host a president, it's just a whole different level of preparation. The Secret Service was out like a week before, the President has an amazing advanced team. They work out every detail. They make a map of your house.
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They really have to think through everything. The police shut down the street. It's really a very involved process.
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Yeah. So what's really interesting is that all week, the San Francisco publications had been trying to gin up protesters by writing about that, you know, the president's coming to town and the protesters are going to show up. And in fact, there was almost no anti-Trump protesters.
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And then a huge number of pro-Trump demonstrators came out and they were waving flags and cheering along his motorcade as he was coming to the house. So the whole protest thing backfired. Why do you think
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I think there's just a big enthusiasm gap. I mean, I think that the pro-Trump people are very enthusiastic and the, let's call pro-Biden or anti-Trump people are just not very motivated right now.
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so anyway so owen mccabe who's the founder of intercom he was there and i i think this was actually a good summary because he said that he spoke with a bunch of people and none of them identifies republican all voted or donated democrat in the past that's true for me too now they're backing this guy for his policies on war immigration crypto and more this election is referendum on those issues so owen you know came out appreciate his support but it's true the campaign told us that they had more
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first time donors at this event than they've seen before. And that's because a lot of these people hadn't supported Republicans or hadn't supported Trump, and they came out. So we have a few photos and videos here to take you behind the scenes. I think that might be interesting for people. So the first thing to say is that President Trump is extremely charming.
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He connects with people in like five seconds. I mean, he meets you and finds something interesting or funny to say. And he's hilarious. I mean, when he spoke, in the living room and he talked extemporaneously for an hour. He's speaking off the cuff. Every speech he gives is different. This is him coming into the living room. He had made just a few notes about topics he wanted to talk about.
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on a piece of paper, but that was it. It was all completely extemporaneous. No teleprompter, obviously. And he's hilarious. I mean, people don't realize how entertaining he is.
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Or did he go off and... Well, he did talk crypto. And it was really interesting. At one point in his speech, he called on the Winklevoss brothers who were there. And I'm only mentioning this because it was already reported that they were there. So I don't want to speak out of school. But he said to them, he says, I know you guys created Facebook. He was giving them credit for creating Facebook.
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Yeah, but he said, but it's okay. I mean, you guys look like models. You were dealt a lot of cards, you know, a lot of cards.
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Great hair. And so I thought, okay, wow, like he must know the Winkvoss brothers. He must have met them previously. And I found out this is the first time that he had ever met them. So think about the awareness that he has to know that they're in the audience, to see them, point them out, and then have this kind of hilarious routine with them. So he's someone who's very sharp, very on the ball.
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very funny. And then his energy level is incredible. So he had started his day at Mar-a-Lago at 3.30 a.m. Pacific time, 6.30 a.m. his time. Then he flew to Arizona, did a Trump rally in Arizona. Then he flew to San Francisco for our event. He spent four hours at our event. He could have left an hour earlier if he wanted to. Then he flew to LA for more events the next day there.
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So think about his day and his energy level was just amazing the whole time.
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Who else is wearing a tie? You don't want the tie? Jamal doesn't need a tie. He's a baller. Do you want to say what Trump said to you when he met Natalie?
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And these are groups of people, I think, who you can double click on young people, Hispanic and Asians. Asians believe in meritocracy, I think, is what most people have read into that dramatic swing. And Hispanics are anti... or more traditional family values, and that's probably what pushed that so far away.
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But I wanted to just get your take on that chart, Shamab, in relation to your handicapping of the election, and then how much Kamala and how much the inflation played into it.
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Tolerance, freedom of speech.
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They started that process. They knew that going into this election and they started moving to the center. It was laughable in some cases because you have like Kamala talking about providing sex changes for prisoners and all of those receipts came out. So even as she started to try to get to the center, people didn't buy it. So of course they're going to.
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But what's very interesting about Spen there and the genius of Trump is earned media. What's earned media? When you are trying to get hits in media, you will put them into two buckets, paid and earned. What you just showed was paid. Paid is considered what you do if you can't earn media. All In Podcast is an example of earned media. We do this every week. We earned our audience.
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We didn't pay anybody for this audience. And I think that was, you know, what Trump did and J.D.
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And so that's the piece of this that I think is so important. You don't have to pay to go on Joe Rogan. But the candidate that the Democrats put out there was so bad. that she could not even, and I think Sachs is master at setting people up here. The Democrats put up a horrible, horrible candidate. And I know Sachs is saying, oh, it's not Kamala's fault. Kamala could not go on
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Joe Rogan, because they knew that it would be so embarrassing and that she would get so embarrassed that it would lose her votes. His doom loop observation from, I don't know, eight weeks ago you had that, Sax, was exactly correct. The more she spoke, the more she started going down. She was leading Trump at one point on polymarket in some of these places, and she absolutely proved
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that she could not communicate well. And I just want to just circle back to the point about inflation. Here's the McDonald price increases that I was mentioning before. End of 2019, you could buy a McChicken for $1.29, and in mid-2024, it was $3.89. The majority of Americans wind up going to Taco Bell, McDonald's every week. some cases multiple times a week.
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You cannot discount exactly how profound this cost of eating food and buying groceries had on this election. It is the number one issue, I think, this election. We can talk in our bubble about it, but it was about inflation.
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Not good is generous.
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It's so obvious that that technique they used to defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic four years was, hey, do you want normalcy?
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What's that? I didn't hear the joke. I said, what tactic was that? 15 million extra votes? Please don't start with the conspiracy theories.
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Who's the chart from? Who's the chart from? What's the providence of the church?
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Like they mailed out- Hold on, before we go down this rabbit hole, let me just finish my point. Then you guys can go to Conspiracy Corner and say the election was stolen. The point I'm making here is, obviously- Biden ran a very successful campaign against Trump based on vibes and based on his creating chaos in the country and most people's mind in this return to normalcy.
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So that did work for them previously. It just didn't work this time because they had to defend their record on the border. They needed to defend their record on the economy. And Sachs is exactly right. They didn't touch that. And how do you not talk about their own record? And their record had some good bright spots to it. Record low unemployment, record high stock market, and we tamed inflation.
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Okay, let's start.
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And they could have had a really great discussion about inflation and just said, hey, listen, both
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of the last two terms there was a lot of spending and so inflation manifested during the last four years and uh hey we tamed it so here we are we still have record low unemployment we still have a record high stock market and we tamed inflation things are going to get better but she couldn't even communicate that i can communicate that better than the presidential candidate Come on.
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She could have easily done that.
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I'm about to get to that.
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It's very clearly this had to do, you know, primarily with Kamala. It is the candidate and how she was selected. Yeah, I mean, obviously, if you had the same track record.
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Maybe even a little bit more recently.
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I mean, I've been very clear about that. My record's been very clear about that. It is clear that it was her because I will say if you had put up Friedberg, and I think it's great that you're forcing us to pick one of the three. And it's a hard thing to do. But if you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro, I think they would have beat Trump very easily.
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Because remember, Trump was phenomenally unpopular. And I think the big question that's going to come out of this is how did Elon do getting young men and how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours do at getting young men to come out and vote? That's something we haven't talked about yet.
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And I feel like that could be the one thing that comes out of this election over the coming years that we look at that'll be the sustainable change is that young men are now voting and they want to vote for something very different than white women or old people.
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Feels great. Yeah.
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So thank you for that. Yeah, my pleasure.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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Yeah, it's a great question. I think the thing we have to do now is come together as a country. He's the president. It's great that it was... not a debatable election, and we're not going to have riots at the Capitol and people beating up police officers. And now it's time to actually look at what Trump said. And then we will grade him on what he actually gets done.
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And, you know, if he is able to hang out with the cohort of Elon and Chamath and Sachs and J.D. Vance, I feel a lot better about it. Now, there's a lot of people speculating he will turn on Chamath, he will turn on Sachs, he will turn on Elon, and that relationship will end in the next year or two. That's what I'm looking at. Will Trump actually do the things he says he's going to do?
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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And what did he say he was going to do? Well, he's not going to have a national abortion ban. He's not going to kick people out who get college degrees here. Remember, he said on the show he's going to staple the green card to it. And he said he's going to end the war in Ukraine on day one. So let's make a list of all the things he promised.
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And like anybody else, let's judge him based on what he gets done. Now, some of the things he promised, like the mass deportation of 15 million people, I think a lot of people, even on this podcast, probably don't agree with. I don't think anybody here wants to see 15 million people
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who came here to have a better life and who are working hard and who are productive members of our society literally get dragged out of here. The 500,000 that are criminals or a million, sure, nobody wants to see them get a free pass here, but You know, there's going to be some of the items on his agenda that are going to be very uncomfortable to see executed.
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And some of them would be amazing and miracles. If he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine war is settled, fantastic. If he starts dragging a million people every day, you know, two or three months out of the country, that could be absolutely disastrous and incredibly hard to watch happen in America. So we've got to judge him based on his actions. That's great. Let's give him the support he needs.
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And I really hope, you know, the thing that gives me hope is the fact that Sachs, Chamath, Elon, and J.D.
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Would you serve if asked?
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There was a lot of controversy around the sweepstakes idea. I don't know why that was so controversial because if you think about-
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So if we look at that million dollar sweepstakes to sign up for his PAC, if you think about how people normally get people to sign up, they're paying a dollar a click probably $50 a click, whatever it is using giving money to ABC or giving money to Facebook. And he just said, Hey, I'll just do a sweepstakes sign up for this. And then I have you in the database, and then I can market it to you.
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There's no difference between giving away a million dollar sweepstakes or buying a bunch of ads and paying by click. And for everybody to frame that as he's buying votes when it was so clear he wasn't, I think that's the kind of media manipulation people are getting savvy to and does not work anymore. It was very clear. It was just a sweepstakes to sign up for his pack.
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It's no different than paying $10 a click to Facebook.
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He was in a good mood. You remember the moment when his hand touched yours? Take us to that. I'm just saying that when I- Did he give you the shake? He gives that little shake to exert a little dominance. Did he give you the shake?
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She got paid? They were paying celebrities to show up?
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Who knows?
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I think probably you're disappointed because you had such a high benchmark for him. But we were just talking about Trump saying he would end the war on day one. He said that he's going to deport 15 million people. And, you know, all these politicians lie. So I think my closing statement on all of this is y'all were a key part in putting Trump in obviously.
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And if he starts behaving in the way he behaved during his first term, the darker things he did, I hope that y'all will call him on it and publicly call him on it and that he will steer towards, you know, his better angels. And that's my hope for America and my hope for all of you who helped put him in office and played a very significant role in getting him here.
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When he does something crazy, if he does try to drag 15 million people out of the country, is that okay with you, Sachs?
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And look- If he went after the other 14 million, would you be in support of that?
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I agree with all that. And I do think... if he does try to do the 14 million, that's the thing I have concerns about. Got it.
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Are you officially a Mar-a-Lago member, by the way? No. 500 large? No. Oh, my Lord. Is that true? 500,000?
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The FBI had logins. They could just go in themselves. I mean, it was crazy.
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Well, and let's not forget the FOIA leader. They were literally being taught how to route around, Fauci's team, how to route around subpoenas and people looking for information. I mean, there's a lot to uncover here. I'm 100% here for it.
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Yeah, they were putting asterisks in, you know, hacker speak in order to avoid this. And they were also told, a bunch of people who are in three-letter agencies, just by default, put this at the highest level of security not to be declassified. So they unnecessarily put everything in classified. And so now...
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Every document, every email is marked at the highest level of classification, which means there's no discerning it. And if you were to blame an FBI agent, if they told you, hey, just put everything on classified so it doesn't get out. Okay, that seems like a pretty good way to cover your ass. And that's got to change, yeah.
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You're a man of science. I know you have some differences with RFK. Do you want to see him?
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on a nuanced basis, then net net, where do you wind up free Burke net net, where do you wind up?
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And as long as net net, do you like him as a disinfectant as a rabble rouser as to shake up the system or net net? Do you think it's too risky to let him in?
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Well, yeah. I mean, he has been a major proponent. You were going to run for mayor once, J. Cal? I was lobbied. I was approached, and I was given a lot of support, seven figures of support to go do it. It's a very hard job because the supervisors actually run the city. And a lot of the supervisors, like... They got booted too, no?
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And I mean, the crazy thing in Los Angeles with Gascon was a number of people who I know live there now know people in Santa Monica, in Brentwood, in Bel Air, where we lived for so many years, Sachs. have home invasions have started again. I mean, that is like a real breaking point for people. It's scary to have your home broken into by a gang.
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Let's do it.
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College educated women, too, I think came out.
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I think a lot of them did, clearly, but not enough to swing the election. And, you know, it's going to be- Do you think it's going to be- To the question, is Sacks right?
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There will be states where women will not be able to get an abortion, sadly. They will not be able to make that decision for themselves. That's my personal belief. They should be able to make the decision for themselves. I'd like to stay out of it.
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But Sachs is largely right that if you don't, if I'm reading it correctly, think about it if you're a state and you ban abortion, who's gonna wanna live there? You're gonna have a lot of people leaving. And that's been an issue here in Texas. A lot of companies are having a hard time with not only getting women to move here to work at specific companies in Texas,
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But men are well or not, are citing it as a concern. So it's going to make it really untenable for an economy.
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I have heard many stories about people not wanting to come work at companies in Texas because of this law. Yes. I have heard that from employers. I'm not talking about any of Elon's companies. I don't speak for him, obviously. But this has been an issue for companies in Texas. Okay.
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It's my best advice.
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But don't worry. Bear's on the menu.
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Zantum gum. Stop using your moderator privileges to push your agenda, Free Bird. Take care, guys. I love you. I love you guys.
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That SNL skit was next level, I agree.
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Yeah, well, clearly, being on podcasts was a major part of Trump's strategy that people are starting to report on right now. And, you know, in media, you go where the audience is. And I think the Democrats just didn't get that. Now, stepping back, I think the number one problem here is the candidate that the Democrats put up. And probably the close number two is inflation.
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And, you know, the economy, as you know, we all know it's the economy, stupid. If you were paying... $2 for a cheeseburger at McDonald's, and now it's $4. That's what people are going to remember. And the inflation that occurred over this last four years was huge. And people cited that over and over and over again. So there's probably three buckets you could put this conversation into.
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There's the candidate. Kamala Harris was a terrible candidate. She was put in at the last minute and she was anointed and she didn't go through a proper primary. I think that's probably number one in this entire thing. It was a terrible candidate. You're saying number one is the candidate. I think number one is the candidate.
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Number two, I think, because remember, Trump was incredibly unpopular as well. And all credit to Trump for winning and running an incredible campaign. I mean, just they crushed it on podcasts with J.D. Vance turned out to be spectacular on podcasts and really delivered the message. And, you know, the number two is obviously inflation in the economy.
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And then I think number three is the bucket that Chamath started with, which is. The country really, really does not like being told that they're racist or sexist, et cetera, cancel culture. And you put those three things together.
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one of the things that's coming out right now is some of the ads and we'll play an ad here i wanted you guys to see this i think this ad sums up exactly how bad kamala was and we'll combine this ad with just some of the statistics that have come out of how many people have gone right this is charlamagne the god from the breakfast club for those who don't know in a donald trump ad what taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners surgery
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And so how does Kamala come back from this with black voters, with male voters, with people who are tired of having this agenda shoved down their throat? Obviously, it's going to be incredibly difficult. Plus, she was in charge of the border, claimed she wasn't. Plus, she was in charge of, you know, and Biden were in charge of the economy when inflation spiked.
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Terrible candidate combined with a bad track record combined with a flawless campaign from Trump. I think easy victory. And, you know, if we pull up this FT chart, Nick, that I sent you ahead of time, and I tweeted this, you know, Americans love winners and innovation and they hate socialism and this woke nonsense. And if you look at how Trump's support increased, look at this, Chamath.
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Every single demographic, Black, Asian, Hispanic, 18 to 29, 30, 30 to 34, female, white college men, except for two, 65-year-old plus, very moderately, very modestly went left. And white college women very modestly went left in terms of increasing support.
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I got no loyalty.
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What some people do.
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Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
That's crazy. A bit more adventurous in the beginning.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
That's what I would guess. Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Great mother of the year.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Yeah, dude.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
True.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Mm-hmm.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
Is DOGE Saving America? Matt Damon is a Hero, & Steve Smith Sr. Is a Demon
You short...
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a problem. She can't take vacations?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
If there was no fire, no one would be saying shit. Come on. It's not that big of a deal. Let her take a trip or two.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I don't care. What is that line? If my aunt had wheels, she would be a bicycle.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I heard it wouldn't have made a difference.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
little it's a little it's like it is but it's like it just dictates the healthiness of your ocean if that particular fish is around it's one of the indicators that you have like a healthy environment shit some bullshit oh the delta smelt trump is also you know
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
he's having fun right now he's really having fun talk to me talk he's just saying whatever the fuck he wants to say like all even the shit last week the gulf of america i love it oh dog him and when we had that progressivism is dead conversation it was based on me seeing him and barack chopping it up at the uh funeral yeah it's also very funny and i was like oh it's
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yo, what's crazy? I took a sniff of him and he just cleared my fucking sinuses.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I mean, just all time. Just shit person. He don't give a fuck.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
That's how he greets the other president. That's fire. I didn't see that one.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
There's too much alpha going on in there.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I think because we did it. He don't want to point that out. Wait, what was that again? We did it. It could have been like CIA.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
He doesn't want his head to really go shot off.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I put on fucking Old Spice before this, bro. Come on. I did my best. Yes, I did. That's cancerous. You wouldn't put that on. You put beef tallow.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
The same thing happened at my house. And I was like, nah, you need the aluminum. You need.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Filler's good. The baby BBLs.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
That's nice. That's the same ass. That's what the baby ones are. It's more about shape. I think it's not trying to get it too crazy. Okay. If you already got ass, you're not part of the discussion. No, they added some ass. There's some ass that was added there. Clearly. Ooh, that's nice. I mean, that one's good. That's what I'm saying. The baby BBL is the one.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Oh, that's like a shelf. Yeah, it does look funny.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Because when it first started, it was like... The bigger, the better. Now it was starting to look a little ridiculous. Now they're just perfecting this now. And not enough people get it. Call me crazy right now. Crazy. Thank you.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
That's true. But I don't think they turned away to any.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
The nature of that game is you get one thing, you just keep coming back.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Dentistry, they're always rushing to pull a tooth. They're rushing to put braces.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah, shouts Omar.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
My doctor's brown. And, oh, well, yeah, I guess we're both sick, so we can do that. He knows you. He was like, do you work with all kinds of shit? How do you say it? Oh, yeah, I tried to do it.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Can you show me what it looks like? And then when there's going to be chunks of poop that come out, does she got to smush it down?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Come on, man.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I wish he was sick.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I don't know. Behind closed doors, they're talking about patients. Oh, yeah. That shit would happen all the time. They're talking shit. Yeah. He'd talk shit about the patients by name, give them a nickname, some shitty name. Fuck, I'm fucked up, right?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
No, I get way more enjoyment of the guessing game. Like, did I fart or didn't I fart? And then if she smelled it, then I farted that time. With me, there's no guessing.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
You're the most fucking curious person, and you have not asked your mom about this. This is crazy. You speak to fucking crazy people on the street every day. You gotta ask your mom.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Hell, it's going to be good.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah, she could. Hello, Mom. Put some coffee in it.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
We gotta plug you up, dude. We have to try it. We have to try it. We're as crazy as I might try to. Ha ha ha! We're going to try it. I'm like, I'm already on the bidets. It's the same shit.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
You don't take it in. You just like, what's the shit with hookahs that they say you're not inhaling, but you're inhaling? No, you're not inhaling. How? Once it goes in your lungs, isn't that an inhale?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
You just put it in your mouth. No, it goes down and then it goes back up. No, no. You don't have to do that. It's a choice. Oh, well then all the people in the Heights and every place that smokes hookah in clubs, they're inhaling it.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Cigars I can do, but no. Who are you supposed to? No, you're not. Yes, you are. No, you're not. I guarantee you're supposed to. I think you're supposed to.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
You can do it both ways, but it's obviously worse for you. You're wrong, man.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Blow it out. Yeah, but then you're not going to get a big cloud. Oh, my God. Big cloud. The big cloud.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
You can't blow the O's. Yeah, you can't have fun with it.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Shouts. Anyway. Is it too early to say there's going to be some available property in LA soon?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Like, don't put that on. I was going to follow up with like, what about white lies? Like if somebody's like, like if somebody calls me, I'm like, oh, I'm busy right now. Let me hit you back. But I'm not busy. I just don't want to talk to that person. Yeah. What about those lies? Is that bad? Because I do those all the time.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Oh, yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah, I learned that from him. I learned that from him.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah. How was Hawaii's strip clubs?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
This is going to blow your mind. It sounded like a brothel. This is going to blow your mind.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Okay, what about the example I gave?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
What if I just don't want to talk to that person?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
That was hard. He should play the video. They got the video of it being stolen.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Once your bike's gone, it's gone. Exactly. But that's something that people not from New York don't realize. It's like, that shit is a different color.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Crazy, right?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
They got it easy these days. We used to do that with a bicycle. You have to be pedaling with holding that shit.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
You don't think they're going to streamline this shit? Because there's so many... So here's the thing.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
No, no, no. I mean, in terms of building back, like they're going to be like, ah, less regulations, but just because we have to build this shit back.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Do you see the rumors of Elon buying it? Yeah, buying it. And then Mr. Beast also saying he wants to buy it.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
New York would have stopped at that.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
It was brush.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Problem solved. Yeah. What do you feel about that?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
That should be the deal that they bring. Yeah. It depends how the economy is. If they're doing bad, then they're going to want to choose. Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
It's still not cutting out for us too much.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
We're still waiting for, you know, to be able to vote. The weather's nice.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
you get to be danish without eu citizenship greenland let's pick better islands though it's like if islands are for grabs let's just pick some fire all right what do you want anguilla i think will be cool okay aruba we have saint john version islands it's nice yeah it's yeah all right it's crazy they actually do have like a bunch of words for snow
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
you got marshall mathers over there i mean this is crazy what's i'm trying to figure them out are they asian yeah sort of i think they're just like inuit like they're like indigenous yeah they asian
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Decent point. It's true. But do we want Canada?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
We can't just be picking and choosing. It ain't picking and choosing. That's the boys.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Make the flights cheaper, Dev. Oh, we got Colombia?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
They got good food over there.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
But does the world have to recognize it?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Is it just like you just let them pump a couple of times and then you on to the next one?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
83.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
no the logistical part oh damn i mean that's crazy apparently there's a father-son duo that joined but now is this the same or that did yeah there was two they were doing it and it's one of those two she already did it no there was like another girl that did like a hundred this is so this isn't the one that was crying about no this is the other one this is also she just beat her to oh she just broke the record
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
2004.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I think her friend was saying that she wanted to do 1,000 next.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
That's crazy.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Speak for yourself.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
She's got crazy eyes, though.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
What's going on in the UK, yo? What is going on? Y'all got to get y'all shit together. Oh, no. This makes me uncomfortable. Right?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Disgusting, bro. I don't know. It's disgusting.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
That's it.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
She's top four ever. She's just letting anybody. If it was like a thousand attractive dudes, we don't know.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Does she?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Wait, but does she show tits?
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
And, like... No, but that's that weird group of guys that like, you know, the ones that were waiting for fucking Bad Bunny or Bad Bobby to turn 18.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Bad Baby, to turn 18. And then her fucking gram goes crazy. I'm like, so that means you're looking at her at 17. Countdown.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Oh, this might not be- So that shit is nasty. Anybody, those types of pages, that shit-
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah, I just think you're disgusting. Me too.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
But then I think there's some dudes, like Mark said, that like that shit. Now there's going to be some dudes that want to wife up the girl with the world record.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Stop talking about your grandma.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
You don't have that choice.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah, so much better. Well, then maybe you could negotiate just kissing the dick and not sucking it.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
I don't think kissing a dick, just like, mwah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Can we go as deep as we can? Yeah, yeah, do your thing. She hasn't been around a block in a while. It'll be fun for her.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
No, but I don't think she... Actually, there was only one dude after my dad.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah. How long after? White dude named Ron from Alabama. I remember that.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
No, I fucked it up.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah, because I started getting in trouble with all the shit that I was doing and stuff. So she's like, I can't. not watch him because he's going to get. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
It's like, I think you turn it off and then you just, yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
Yeah. I don't know. I feel like there's an overwhelming support for what's going on over there. I think there's an undercurrent of this.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
We're talking about LA. Yeah, but I don't like the left-right stuff going on either.
Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh
LA Fires: Why No One Seems to Care & Who’s Really to Blame
yeah you're saying like the politicization of the of the event that and also some people on a certain side are like oh you know what we're gonna hold funding until they agree to a whole bunch of other stuff and i'm like you know when something this tragic happens like you just throw the money at it and let's just get everybody in a good place before you try to bring politics into this yeah i mean i'm not against bringing politics in why
Dumb Blonde
Ask, Tell, Confess: Hailee Tries FB Dating
Yeah. Cause you're assuming everything he says is true.
Dumb Blonde
Ask, Tell, Confess: Hailee Tries FB Dating
It's going to pop up. My mom's name will pop up. What's mom's name? Leticia.
Dumb Blonde
Ask, Tell, Confess: Hailee Tries FB Dating
You can pretend to be a Facebook rep and say, Hey, we would like to use your profile to promote our Facebook dating. Um, we were actually doing a commercial.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
there's like a random thursday after like a month i'm not approaching i'll go up to la lakers cheerleader and target approach her get her number and then we go on a date i'm like what the hell i did 40 approaches in one weekend did you get an la lakers phone number yeah one on a date one on a date okay
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
It was in mixed company, but I was definitely in my A game of flirting, so to speak. Because of all the social momentum I had coming from the day. Nice. As I'm sure you know, when you do 10 plus approaches, like you're in such a great social state. So by the time I got to this girl, let her, you know, assuming she's like the 15th approach of the day, so to speak, I was really in a great state.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
So like it was great rapport that her and I had and I could tell she was really enjoying it. I got her to laugh a lot and it was just it was just easy. It was just really it came really easy. The conversation, you know.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
i've had the mindset or at least i feel sometimes i text a girl i had great rapport with once she doesn't answer i automatically have assumed she's ghosting me but i've tried what connell has said and i've tried like sending a follow-up text like two days later like a funny gif or something that makes her smile and then i get a response and that has led to dates yeah like i've had dates with girls who i thought were ghosting me but they ended up going out on me because i followed up because and a lot of times they just missed the text
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Or at least that's what their response is. But, you know, it works. It works for follow-up rule.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
My favorite one is – because I've done a lot of tests as to what works and what doesn't. I send a gif of the old woman from the Titanic movie where it says it's been 84 years, and I've gotten some great reactions.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Yeah. And I also tell myself like, oh, I'll just go home and go on Hinge and that'll make me feel better about not approaching and not being comfortable to do it today.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Right. No, it makes sense. Makes sense.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
I think sometimes it's just the nerves are very powerful. And even though I have been doing this for as long as I have in terms of like pushing myself to do approaches, it's definitely gotten easier over time. But I haven't felt like I've gotten to a place where it's just like I can wake up at 7 a.m. or 8 a.m. on a workday and just be like, yep, I'm going to hit three approaches.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
Today, no problem. It's not going to be like a major internal fight for myself, which unfortunately, as you described it, I think in one of the modules, it's like one foot's on the gas, one foot's on the brake. And I don't know, more times than not, the brake ends up winning just out of the nerves. And I feel like this kind of ties back to what I was saying from this weekend.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
At least the first initial approaches, I feel that when the nerves take over, I fall into a very platonic conversation that I have trouble navigating the man, the woman, Connell. But when I get to the seventh or eighth approach, it's very easy for me to go man, the woman. I'll just be like, hey, you have really beautiful eyes. One of the first things out of my mouth.
How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
How to Meet Your Dream Woman—and How Jason Dated a Lakers Cheerleader! (Live Coaching)
And then all of a sudden, I'm flirting. But in the first couple conversations, when the nerves are really strong... I automatically just fall into like, Oh, where are you from? Right. Oh, you moved here from Texas. That's cool. I've been to Austin a couple of times this year. Like I, do you know this strip of bars? Oh, I like this restaurant.
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And it comes off as very friendly platonic just because the nerves are, it feels like the nerves are, are like blocking me from flirting. Cause it's just like flirting when, when I'm nervous feels like a risky zone. Cause it feels like, all right, this gives her, this allows for her to reject me.
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When I keep it friendly and platonic, there's less room for a rejection because it's like, oh, this guy's just being friendly. There's nothing to reject. You know, it feels more safe because the nerves are more powerful. The first couple approaches, if that makes sense.
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What's risky is safe. And what's safe is risky.
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I don't know if I've used the word sexy, but like one of my go-to openers during the day and at night is like, excuse me, I just thought you're beautiful. I wanted to come say hi to you. Nice. Because I just felt it's super direct and she knows exactly why I'm talking to her and it sets the tone for the conversation.
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I've done that opener a lot. Like that's my go-to because I just feel like it sets the tone of the conversation.
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Um, I think sometimes it's super relevant to the conversation. Like if I'm in California and I meet a girl who's from New York, like I am, that's a, that makes the conversation a lot easier in terms of substance.
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Five foot five, blonde hair, bright white teeth, blue eyes. Smoking body.
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Excuse me. I just really thought you were gorgeous and I wanted to come say hi to you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
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Well, this girl that I just described, for example, I did follow up with her because she missed a text. And now it seems like she missed another text. And I kind of feel weird about following up twice. It's just like, all right, well, you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, no, the text I'm asking her out, I'm not going to say the event, but she went to an event this past weekend. So I said, Ola, how was the event? I saw on Instagram stories that looked insane. She wrote, hi, it was so much fun. Didn't make it to, you know, the big party that was there, but still a great time. Definitely feeling it today, lol. And I wrote, I did the same thing when I went back.
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bought an unlimited ticket pass and didn't see one party felt so guilty lol and then i wrote if you're around this week let's grab drinks and that was around 9 p.m and no response the next day okay but i know this girl just based off of the previous text that she's interested our schedules just haven't aligned yeah i think uh what you say you could follow up with that i mean that's a i'm gonna be nitpicky here i like that i like that's like an 80 ask out hey let's do xyz thing
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So for this particular example, and I was actually thinking about it the next day and what you're saying is kind of what was popping in my head. I should have maybe given a specific place and been like, oh, I know this great speakeasy. How does this work? Instead of just saying, if you're around this week, let's grab drinks.
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The reason I did that is because she's already expressed interest other times in the conversation that she's down to go out. It's not like this is my first time asking her out. So it's just kind of like circling back to like. hey, now that our schedules may align this week, why don't we do this thing we've been talking about for a couple weeks now? But I totally agree with what you're saying.
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I guess my question is now, you know, I sent the text. I can't go back and change it. I don't think it means I'm out of the game by any means with this girl. It's just what would be a good follow-up based on if you're around this week, let's grab drinks. And that was sent Sunday night.
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Well, that's the thing that I have to work on a bit is the closing element. Because, you know, I think the approach when I do take action, I have had some great results, as you know. I've told you many stories about some successes I've had through our conversations. And it's just... a matter of the closing where I just, I let the nerves take over. I play it safe.
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I think playing it safe is a common theme in our conversations as of late. That's like, Hey, you're doing a lot of things right. But when it comes to like the clothes or playing it safe or going for the kiss or, you know, I feel like I wait for too many signs or green lights to take action from women that I'm just saying, I don't care about the signs. I'm just going to do it.
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I mean, maybe you would agree that sometimes, uh, Reading the room is a part of the process. I mean, sometimes it's just obvious if they're not interested, but maybe I overanalyze the room, so to speak.
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This is a theme I think you taught in the modules, the give, give, give, ask, where I find myself... whether it be through text or Instagram, when I'm messaging somebody, my brain goes straight to, if I'm communicating with them over messaging or texting, I want to go straight to asking them out because I get very fearful about trying to establish banter or flirting over messaging.
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I just feel like my brain goes straight to, let me just ask them out and shoot my shot. That way I can get my answer and I don't have to worry about coming off as awkward over text or messaging. I'm not always worried about that in person, but the messaging I find is a little harder to establish banter and flirting. I'm curious if you have any quick thoughts on that.
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Is it important to establish three messages first before you ask somebody out over text or a dating app or Instagram or any of that type of stuff?
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No, not really a match. It's more of like Instagram. And this has worked once or twice. I might swipe up on someone's story and be like, hey, just thought you were beautiful, random, but I just wanted to shoot my shot. Would love to take you out for drinks. What's your number? And sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn't work.
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What if it's someone you met the night before and they've already met you in person and you get their number? Is it okay? That's a little different.
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So it was enough if she'd be willing to go out with you or not at that point. Absolutely. Got it.
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Good to hear from you. How you doing?
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Sure. I mean, you know, I've been practicing the material that you've taught for a little while now, and I feel as though I've now encountered some nuanced types of situations at this point in the game. So I feel like I have some niche questions slash topics I'd love to, you know, kind of get your guidance on.
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Yeah, I feel like I have these successes in waves. You know, there are weeks where like I'm killing it with pushing myself to do approaches. And then I just kind of wake up and my brain totally resets in the sense that it's like, I feel so great and optimistic about approaching and I'm doing it.
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I'm pushing myself and I'll just wake up one day and I'm like, oh, I'm not really like in the mood or oh, the approach anxiety really just gets so much more powerful than it was the day before. And it becomes so frustrating because I could have so much momentum for like 30. three or four days straight. And then I just have these periods of where I feel like I reset.
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And then I go like a month without pushing myself to do it. And it just feels like I take one step forward and two steps back. And I'm not necessarily expecting you to have some magic bullet
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answer to this but i guess my question is is is there any methods or things that you've taught or that kind of combat this like oh i'm doing really well i'm pushing myself but i wake up again and it resets so i'm gonna i'm gonna stop like i hate how i find myself in this situation more often than not so you take action for a while and then you lose some motivation doesn't feel that good to you and then you take a break from it is that what you're saying
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It just feels like when I wake up some days, like it just resets no matter how much success or how much I'm starting to love the process. My brain just resets. Like, you know, the approach anxiety on one given day may not feel that strongly on a Monday, but then a Tuesday it's like overpowering compared to the day before. Okay.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah, and that makes sense. And I think we've also talked about don't be so results-driven. I don't know if you called it like a results junkie where I'm just like really, really addicted to only getting positive results. But I found myself like, for example, this past weekend in the Southern California area that I live in, there was some really cool –
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like, like shows, music shows during the day that I went to where there were a lot of girls and I did a ton of approaching and I got myself into a great social state. We went to like a lunch place after I was approaching girls at the lunch place. Like I was doing it the whole day. I was in the zone. My friends were like, Jason's flirting with all these girls. Um, and,
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I didn't really get any successful results. I mean, it also went into the night. We went out to some bars, approached a ton of girls, got numbers. And the girls that I texted, the numbers that I'd gotten didn't really turn into anything concrete with regards to like a date. So I woke up that Monday after a weekend of doing that feeling like, well, what was the point of that?
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Like I didn't really get any concrete results. And there are some times where that happens, where I do a ton of approaching and I don't get any results. And then there's like a random Thursday after like a month of not approaching, I'll go up to a LA Lakers cheerleader in Target, approach her, get her number, and then we go on a date. I'm like, what the hell? I did 40 approaches in one weekend.
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Yes, I got one on a date.
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So like, no, that's a success. That's a win. But it's like, it's so arbitrary because it feels like, you know, for 40 approaches. You'll get like the one. Yes. And it just feels like the ROI given like the effort and that I have to really put into my mindset to push myself to do the approaches. Sometimes it doesn't.
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It was cool. They had this thing in LA that's like at a coffee shop where they have like a DJ and it's kind of like a day rave, but instead of drinking alcohol, everyone's drinking coffee. So everyone kind of congregates in this big parking lot and there's a ton of women and it's a great opportunity for approaching.
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Um, if I had to guess, maybe somewhere between 10 to 15, something.
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Yeah.
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think maybe uh three or four okay i mean and just to give you context like one of the approaches is like me walking out of the place i saw someone next to me with her dog i'm like wow you are beautiful and she's like thank you so much and then she walked away i mean i kind of counted that as an approach hell yeah like they all count myself out there but nothing really concrete yeah and here's my big question what's the longest conversation you had with any woman from that day um
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There was one that lasted like maybe over an hour and that was more in the evening. We met at one low, one bar and then her and her friend Ubered with me and my friend to another bar. So we were just kind of hanging out for over an hour and I got her number.
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Um, and then I texted her the next day and she didn't respond, which I know you say, don't let not one response make you think she's not interested. You know, try again. Sometimes people miss texts and,
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Because of the logistics of her having a lot of friends at the other bar, it wasn't necessarily easy to isolate her with a kiss, just feeling out the situation. But I did flirt with her a lot. She told me she was Italian, and I got really close to her ear and whispered a sexy Italian phrase that I knew. I definitely like a lot of man-to-woman communication.
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She seemed really excited to give me her number. Also, she put her last name in my phone, which is... Something I noticed when girls are really interested, they'll put their full name in the contact as opposed to just their first name. That's a thing I've noticed. So, yeah, I mean, there definitely seemed like there was a decent level of interest.
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If you ask me how to scale a one to 10, I mean, if I had the ballpark at least like an eight. Nice. Just based on her receptive feedback, you know.
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No, it was kind of like, give me your phone number. I'd love to take you out for drinks. And she's like, yeah, I'll definitely give you my phone number.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I mean, I think it's important to note that we don't actually know if it was NAVPERS who changed the charges because it went up to Chief of Naval Personnel, Admiral Cheeseman. He actually was the one to convene the board, to notice the board. His signature on there, just like the withdrawal letter, he was the one to start this process against us. A couple things to note there.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
One, I've talked to a ton of lawyers, including myself. I've never seen...
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
New charges, order of inquiry, official notice of a BOI. Yeah, with the new charges. But one, I've never seen the CMP be the person who convened a board. Like, I mean, pulling it up to his level is distinct in and of itself. I had our military counsel that was assigned kind of reach out and see if anybody else had seen that. No one. So what's interesting is Admiral Cheeseman was on the e-mail.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
where they talked about changing the press release and they issued the lie to the American people. So you put those two things together, he pulls it up to his level, he's got an interest in it, right? He's got an interest in seeing this go, you know, bad for Captain Geary and he's the one to promulgate and start this process.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Wow.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And they had that as part of the original NCIS investigation. That's where it came from. That's the worst part. They had this the whole time. Yeah, and they tried to resist discovery of this to us. We got a hold of some judge advocates who were prosecuting that at least understood their obligations. But for the first time in two years, we're getting this material that they've had the entire time.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Well, that's what we're trying to find out. I've started a FOIA campaign to try to get the back... back-end communications and records that would give us some indication of their intent. Why did this happen in the first place? And I can tell you, I filed multiple FOIA requests and Privacy Act requests at all levels, Office of Legislative Affairs, SECNAV, NSW.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I have yet to have one record produced. And in fact, the most I've gotten is a total denial memo from the current chief of staff for NSW, a guy named Captain Kurtz, who also is the guy who we have reports is scouring regulations to try to find something to stick to Brad. So that's where we're at at this fight.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
The next fight is the why, and to get some freaking transparency on this issue and find out what was going on. But right now, I mean, what should be thousands of records, I've got zero.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Freedom of Information Act.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And that's one reason why they wanted to avoid court-martial here. In court-martials, you would have a judge order production of exculpatory material in the possession of the government. We don't have that in an administrative board. That's one of the parts they get to end run.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And the only way to really compel them is to file an independent federal lawsuit for injunctive relief from a judge to get that. So they know they can deny us all day, and the recourse is difficult. Jeez.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Well, and to show you the general disdain they have for discovery in this process, back in 2018, actually 2016, there was a federal case out of the Eastern District of New York where The entire case was remanded to a new BOI because there wasn't sufficient discovery given, meaning sufficient evidence provided about unlawful command influence specifically.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And the court ordered that the regulation actually had expanded discovery rights and that they needed to provide these tangential discovery pieces of evidence. What was the Navy's response? They went and amended the regulation in 2019, 1920.6 instead of C, to reduce the discovery rights based on that case. And that's the one we're operating under now.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So they continually try to tell me that's insufficiently directly related.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
What was interesting is who didn't talk to us, though, right? Like, that they made this partisan. Right. I mean, nobody in the left would talk to us, I mean, at all. It was really interesting. Here we are uncovering institutional corruption, lying to the American people, and not a single, to my recollection, not a single Democrat returned our call. Not one. You approached any?
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
You did approach them.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I stopped by my own representative's offices and said, hey, I'm here from Colorado. Not a single response. Why do you think that is? I think, I mean, my opinion and I think what we're seeing is that they generally support institutional corruption as long as it fits their ends, right?
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And they didn't want to do anything to embarrass the administration in that time period and didn't want to do anything that could be at all tracked back to an administration that was going to an election. And so they just ignored us, right? There should be bipartisan issues. Yeah, truth is bipartisan.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I mean, there's no direct repercussions. I think that that was one of my more surprising pieces of knowledge gained in this thing is that the military has a large ability to ignore Congress if they want to. Of course, you've got Tuberville who's willing to freeze appointments, right? So maybe you would have seen some downstream freezing on some promotions.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
But as far as like direct consequences, unless called to a hearing under subpoena, there's almost no direct consequences for just continuing to do what they want to do. And why did they fold? Well, I actually have a slightly different view. I think it was a combined arms attack here that got us there. But there were some key pieces of evidence released to us. One, the text messages from his phone.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Two, a great deal of photos that purport to be of Seaman Mullen's And let me just say again, this is our rational perception of the evidence, but what they released to me was tons of photos of drugs, black market performance-enhancing drugs with used syringes, all kinds of stuff. I mean, reams of stuff. were finally produced to us. Why were those produced to you? Finally in discovery.
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#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So by linking it to Brad's actions did cause grievous bodily injury or death, right? Even the administrative prosecutor who admitted he didn't have a case despite Rule 3.1 that requires him not to take frivolous actions forward. But despite that, he still understood that they have a discovery obligation that minimally tracked to the NCIS investigation. that they had yet to give us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And this was the NCIS investigation that was done like that day, and all of this evidence had been in their hands. And I asked a basic question. I said, okay, so we've got a drug case now. Where's the tox lab results for all the drugs that were in his car? And they came back and said, we didn't test him.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Now, this is where I start to have significant concerns that when we get to our FOIA information, that we're going to find that the SECNAB office stopped the investigation because there has not been a single NCIS investigation I've ever been associated with, either prosecuting or defending, where NCIS obtained and seized a drug or something purporting to be a drug
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
even half-used syringes, and did not test the substance. So I think somebody hit the off switch, and I don't know why yet. But that's the only thing that— So what happens when you find out who it was and why they did it?
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah. I mean, I think the point is, is that we've always been dedicated to the objective truth record. And the objective truth record, thanks to you, has had to play out publicly. And this is an extension of that. That ultimately now we are litigating, not just to fully restore Brad, but to make the truth record unassailable.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So that all of this crap that they've been saying for years gets cut through and we deal with facts. So that's my interest. My interest now is to not only vindicate Captain Gary, his cadre, and everyone else, but to ensure that the American people see that there are still processes by which we are able to stick to and expose objective truth.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah. I'm tracking it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Is there? No, you can get it. You have to work hard at it. You can't stop. And often you go 10x and you get 1x, right? You get something.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It basically means a biased investigation, a biased investigator's findings that are unsupported by the objective record can dictate whether or not you lose thousands in retirement.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Can't be soon enough in my book. Can't be soon enough in my book.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Admiral Cheeseman. Oh, this is the Cheeseman guy? Same guy who was in the email. Same guy who signed and noticed the board. I mean...
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
You can choose to interpret that, and there's no reason to. And there's nothing that stops them from saying, I've determined that investigation's not credible and you're not subject to this regulation. Go ahead and retire.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Mm-hmm.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, it was around the same time period they withdrew that we were expecting the results back. So there's some correlation there. No good. Yeah. No good.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It's now a contributed retirement plan. It's like a 401k, basically. Yeah, that can go with you. But you've got to be shitting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Zero defect mentality and then disproportionate punishment.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I mean, that's what we're seeing across the board. Jeez.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, all of this in supposedly a non-punitive system? Non-punitive system. Right. And he's not, obviously I've had tons of clients like this. He's not the first to feel the way he's feeling. This is what the military will do to you. You sign your life to that check, right? And then they tell you, we need to rip up that check, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It takes months to get clients to where I'm not worried about their safety anymore.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
It's so awesome.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Never really thought about my voice. Yeah, yeah. Come on.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, very cool. It's called the Civilian Military Defense Fund.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
yeah the civilian military defense fund yeah and it's uh it's organized in colorado right now we're going through the fundraising registration at the state level and then we'll submit for 501c3 status but it's specific purpose and and the board's amazing i've been honored by those who have chosen to serve on the board it's a mix of civilian high-level civilian attorneys high-level criminal defense attorneys some military justice attorneys as well a public defender out of washington state like people people see the problem and they want to help
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
and we want to do things we want to be able to give all service members uh access to civilian council because you know in this case cam giri wasn't eligible for military council until uh admiral cheeseman served him the notice that's two years after this process started All of that is out of pocket, right? And on top of it, judge advocates are restricted from filing in federal court.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
So around this administrative issue, needing to seek injunctive relief if they get really out of whack, they have no access to that. It's civilian lawyers with that civil experience, especially, that can bring these kind of weapons to bear, and military have no access to that. And in fact, I want to inspire big law lawyers civilian lawyers who haven't even been judge advocates.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
I want to inspire their level of litigation to be brought to the military because I think that's the only way within that system that we're going to elevate our treatment of personnel and elevate the due process is by bringing these inordinate, experienced civilian litigators in to fight the fight. But we need to be able to pay them. You know, these guys are expensive for a reason, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And we need to be able to pay them. Or we need to be able to get experts when the military justice system refuses you an expert. We need to be able – and finally, I added a third prong as we talked about it. We've got to find a way to support people in this military justice process financially. from going to the dark places.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
The military is not taking care of their own for the minute an allegation is levied. You're on the outside and you're done, right? And we talk a big game about suicide prevention in the military. We do a lot of that, but we need to find ways where people can call and talk to somebody for those eight minutes that understands the system, the problem, have been through it themselves.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And so, you know, through this, we're like, you know what? Let's do it. We're good at, Operational management is the best leader I've ever known. We're going to create the Civilian Military Defense Fund and we're going to push. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. When do you think that'll be ready to roll? I expect the Colorado registration to be back in about eight days.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
That will open donations. It just won't be deductible until we get the 501 certification. But, and I'm no tax professional, my understanding is it will be retroactively deductible. So we are going to start accepting donations. Check with your tax providers. you know, ahead of the 501c3 process because that does take a while.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
But my understanding is we have a 27-month window to get that done, and I will get it done. Perfect.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
Yeah, and I can be a little more specific on that point. I think your concept of being imprisoned in their own power, it's also imprisoned by their own ego. Because in the military, the... the nexus, the origin of prosecutorial authority is vested in the commander, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And so when a commander decides to do something in that realm, they become incredibly over-emotional to that decision, on average. I'm summarizing 15 years, 16 years of seeing it. They become rooted in this, if you're defying the system, if you're defying my choice to prosecute you, you're defying me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
and they take on this kind of insubordinate feel and communication pattern, even with me, you know, through their agents and SJAs, often they cut me off from even being able to go and talk to them, right? No, you need to handle that through my SGA, right? It becomes a very personal attack to them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#177 Captain Brad Geary - The Sinister Games the Military Plays in Hiding the Truth
And some cannot separate us rebutting the facts, pushing back on the prosecution, suing for innocence, and not take that as a personal attack on their decision-making.
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I learned something last night, by the way, gentlemen. So I got back, you know.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
There was some close rounds. But if you just look at the scoreline, it's really not great. There's some positive signs. It looks like, I was just watching it, because INDS has only taken over the in-game leadership again recently, and Netix just joined. And if you look at the ultimate goal, you can't do shit at these events. When you get an opportunity, you have to perform well for the VRS points.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
But they just did good in Melbourne. If they get a win in the lower bracket, which is still going to be tough, right? It's going to be against a loser of FaZe Falcons. So that's not going to be an easy game either. But they look like they were running a lot of default and just really, really slow. So maybe they're just trying to get the default sorted now.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
So that by the time that they get to the major, they have a good base to go off of. Because, yeah, they've been similar counter-strikers to what they're playing in Melbourne. Really slow, right? You know, taking their time, waiting out the nades, just having a lot of... But the mid-rounds they struggle with or closing the rounds when it's 2v2s and stuff, they're having a harder time.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
But I guess the change-up seems to be good, I guess.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
A bit more firepower in there now as well with Nettick, right? Nettick, Vexai, and then Inz isn't a bad fragger at all. He's a good fragger. So, regardless of having spot-buff moments, it'll be interesting to see what happens. The Major will be quite telling. It's just a shame that the Aussies didn't get two spots, right?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think that's something that you'd want to be battling for in the future with the 32-team Major, making sure that you're secure as one of the best teams from the region to get the two spots there, but... It's all positive signs. I couldn't believe that there's 9,000 people who have gone to that event over the weekend from Australia to watch or from around, right?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
It's a lot of people for that part of the world.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, we don't really get any reports from stuff like that. No, we don't. We never know.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
That's the fun part. That's it. It was a good Counter-Strike. Yeah, it was a good venue. Rod Laver Arena, like a legendary venue. So I think that kind of helps a bit as well, just with the name value of things. When you jump in an Uber there and they're like, oh, are you here for our video games? Oh, we're in the Rod Laver. Oh, really?
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, it was a Tuesday after all, and normally we get updates on Tuesdays. So, you know, that does make sense that there's lots of things going on. Where was I going with this?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah. So it's... It's all positive. I did lose my voice, as you can probably hear, coming out of the coffin. Yeah. It's going to happen, Jason, when you full send.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, but you take those, don't you? You take those. You make that trade any day of the week. That's why you get out of bed in the morning.
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
You're not there for a Vitality fucking Mongols game where it's putting the audience to bed, you know?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
It's fucked. Some of the playoff games that have happened recently, like Lisbon, there was a couple of stinkers. Up until the final, most of the games were stinkers. Like Mongols Liquid was probably the highlight of the playoff games other than that one. Yeah, they were all 2-0s.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
This time they made the playoffs at least, so I think there was like a... an actual jump in form because before that what was a Bucharest and it was Lisbon they got grouped here they made it to the playoffs again they looked right Liquid are just forming as a team so there are some positive things to say about Liquid with Shuey now in game leading
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
but I think that was a decent stage win for the Mongols confidence, especially with 9-10 taking over the fucking, because we were doing the podcast after this when we anchor, it was like a day after this game. Yeah. 9-10 took over that game. He was a beast on Inferno. So I would actually say that that event was, a win for the Mongols, they then just got absolutely destroyed by Vitality.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Oh, okay. So I've got back, I've got into my apartment and stuff and I keep hearing this noise and it's like a g'dung dung. And so I think about it's probably like 9, 9.30 at night and outside it's not a super main road, but it's still a pretty busy road and cars will be going up there, you know, maybe every 30 seconds, a minute, something along those lines. That's the level of frequency.
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think that gives us another point to leave Popov, right? Because they were so dominant over somebody like the Mongols, and then the Falcons game was so close. So what are the big differences? Mongols have so much more time together as a team, but then it's just that raw skill factor of the Falcons, and you're seeing the confidence coming out of them. I don't know.
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think Vitality in the final as well probably didn't play their best counter-strike. I would say, you know, maybe B minus CS from them overall.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I just don't think they were playing to the same peak. When they beat Mongols... They were just, like, obviously worst team, but also Giga, like, flow state. It looked like all the comms and everything were perfect. One of the issues that I think in the final was the comms looked a little bit off. Like, information wasn't flowing.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
People weren't, like, covering each other in certain setups, getting, like, blindsided. There was, like, a couple of moments as well where Apex kind of just, like, spaced out. Flamesy was dead weight on entries. Zywo obviously having clutches. I think Mezzy was, for me, an absolute rock.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
He had so many important 2-3 kill holes just under pressure, buying time, normally anchoring the A site on Nuke once we got super deep there. He was also really good on Mirage where they didn't win. Yeah, I just don't think Vitality were in their best team Counter-Strike flow state where everyone was contributing.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
It was a bit more Heroics being necessary, a bit more dragging them out of the mud type Counter-Strike.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I kept hearing this noise, g'dung dung. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? So I'm walking around checking if all the windows or whatnot are open. Essentially, there's like a construction site going on there and like a metal fencing has fallen over. And instead of someone getting out of their car, and picking up the metal fencing and just placing it back to where it was.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
People would just drive over it. So it would create the noise. I thought I was losing my mind that something was falling apart in the apartment. But just nobody would move the sign. And that went on all night until today. Until you walked down and moved the sign. Well, I did investigate because I was like, what's going on here? But that's when all the trades people were starting to get mad.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
It was an interesting noise, you know, when I thought there was something wrong with the apartment. But no, there was nothing wrong, just a problem with the street. So... That's my story. Not the strongest story, but it is a real life story.
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
That round is another indicator there of Vitality not playing their best CS and being rattled or whatever because
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
like in that round the tech nine kill on apex in the vent like he has no idea they can already be so close which just says that he's that the information is not flowing right the assumptions are being made um comms aren't going through because you can't be like you can't be giving away kills like that to me it was clear on the fifth map they started the pressure started to get to them because you saw even on the t side at the beginning some of the things that they were calling
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, it was entertaining. I think the broader conversation you were having, Jason, to kind of kick this whole thing off about their goals and stuff and for the major and everything like that. I guess you then have to look at who are the teams who are competing for that, right? Obviously, Falcons, this is just the first event with Monacy. They had one and a half days worth of practice.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
So they're in like a 30-day ramp into the major. It's more than 30, but I think it's like 30 to the start of stage one or whatever, right?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
mouths we're going to see um mouths we're going to see now right they're playing right now against pain we'll get to see like what kind of chemistry they bring this event i don't think anyone is that it seems like navi and phase for me are no longer in the conversation yep and spirit who's been on like a really long break so those are the teams who are around vitality who are within like the striking distance on any given sunday
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
depending on a lot of different circumstances, right? So you Spirit, Maus, Falcons. That's where we're at. It doesn't feel like we'll get another team. Oh, I guess we haven't seen a Total Fire player in a while, but they're Aurora now, and they're not great in arenas.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
components to construct, right? So I would have some form of coffee, I'd have some form of a coffee machine, I would like some milk, and I'd have to, you know, probably give it a wash, because you know, you those things, how frequently are you washing
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think at the time when we were so short on other names contributing, it was clear at the very start that like Spirit was still there, right? Malz with a surprise, Vitality kind of the level that they jumped to immediately. And then the rest of the guys like FaZe, Na'Vi, G2, Falcons weren't good at the start of the year either, couldn't get their shit together.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
So then like the Mongols and then Eternal Fire slash Aurora would be taking those spots. So like they both had opportunities to, they were doing the right thing. They were getting to the playoffs, but then they just couldn't perform in the playoffs. Yeah, because they don't have the guys.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, but at the time, when you're talking about the lack of experience that they have and everything, because there's so little experience on the stage for any of these teams, right? It's a whole different way that you have to play Counter-Strike. But it could have gone the other way. Like, they could have gone on stage and Woxic could have been in the form that he was in with Mousesports.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Oh, dear.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
But did you want to watch Falcons versus those names before this tournament?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, but that's only within the last, what, three weeks? Yeah.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
My point is merely they're only in the conversation recently.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think the more promising one is that both been pretty good.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
That's where my question is at the moment. How many events does it take to have a Mongolian team win a proper playoffs match? It's kind of like a joke, but like, you know, how many, yeah. Anyway.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, I think that was a good one. That was probably their best one so far, considering they're quite limited. They're few and far between. But it's like, how many more events do they need before they can start performing as to what the, you know, because they have the flaw that Janko is saying that the Falcons and stuff,
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
don't have, they're the ones who are consistently, well, the Mongols only bounce back after Bucharest and Lisbon not going so well, but they bounce back into a playoffs for another arena. So, yeah.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Not all of them in arenas.
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Katowice was bad, right? Katowice wasn't a good look. Kluge, they got beat by Falcons in the quarterfinal.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I'm not sure.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
not what you're saying yet because i think that there are there are some players at the moment who are demonstrating that i think that some of them now who are in their late 20s going into the early 30s soon we'll be demonstrating that then but it feels like that some of these orgs are gonna you know you're not gonna take old players right you're gonna yes so that's that's a problem that that could come into play here
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
You need somebody like Reign to bounce back at the moment and start delivering to be reaffirming that point in the now. Because other than Reign, who else is in their 30s who's not an in-game leader?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, some really impactful entries. Yeah, no, I think the problem is a lot of this is proof is in the pudding, right? So we're waiting for it to get there, which is still a couple of years off overall. Takes years, some would say.
Talking Counter
Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, and then the concern as well, if orgs are looking for younger players, then you need to be one of the huge names like Unico's for that to be getting the opportunity to play late. We've heard that. I think some of the other names won't.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
My memory is no good, Jason. I can't help you.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
That sounds exhausting.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
i think it shows you how bad things have gotten right that this is the the move that they're making um i don't know why it's not possible to build the proper brazilian team at the moment which is what you'd want furia to try and represent or
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
especially for k cerato who's decided to stay and is you know pissing away the career because he's had some bigger and better opportunities um so the fact that it's gotten to this just seems kind of it's just it's sad in a way really um so i look in terms of what they've gone for well if that's going to be the direction in the future they're going the same way as like an nip
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
It's like moving away from the big reason that your fan base is enjoyed, which tends to be the national pride of it, right?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, I don't think this is the move. But at the same time, if the buyouts to get the Brazilian players that you'd want are just crazy high... then maybe you're left with no choice because like, well, I think that if Furia wanted to be the best Brazilian team, then they obviously need to pick up some of these pain players, but pain continue to make changes as well.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
So now we've even got DGT on that roster with big is there. Cause you need, you need big is there. You need to NQZ essentially for Furia.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, yeah, that would help too. I guess this is better than just disappearing though, I guess, right? Like trying to cobble something together than just like falling into irrelevancy. I don't know.
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Sometimes they can be fun stories, right? But it feels less frequent, the fun stories.
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But maybe you have to make your own fun along the way.
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I think they're going to go back Brazilian.
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or is is now either way the road back as well either way the road back is still hard right because like let's say you want to go brazilian you can't even go brazilian after the next window because it means that you'd be stuck with fall and yuri and que serrano and you probably don't want fallen so you you know you're it's going to be a long road back to being brazilian it feels like now they're going the other way that's what i mean i don't know what the strategy is
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But I don't know. With these teams that just make these stupid decisions, don't you guys just check out? Like, I just go, who cares? Like, fuck it. Like, when they make a good one, then we'll talk about it. If they have a result, we'll talk about it. Otherwise, I don't want to see them be bad.
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does your kinder play well and molidoi play well and then it makes you feel more certain about going international here's what's gonna happen i don't you're gonna go international you're gonna try it for like a year a year and a half it's not gonna work then you're gonna go okay we have to go back brazilians then you have to start at the bottom of the barrel because you didn't fucking build anything whereas if you started building now and taking some risks and making the big moves then you would you wouldn't have to return to in a couple years time
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Isn't that interesting at some level?
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I don't push that on anybody, Jason.
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That doesn't tickle my pickle for entertainment. That just makes me go sad, man.
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You know a lot about cucking, don't you, Jason? I have a question for you. I have a question for you right now. Like the gorilla, do you think you could beat off 100 men?
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You could beat off, yeah, just like the gorilla.
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Yeah. Did you hear my shit talk with the press conference with Henry? I did.
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That was a great line.
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Yeah, I had to bring it in.
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I hope most. I hope most. I hope people really, really... Hugo and Henry almost burst into laughing as soon as I said it because they didn't know it was coming. That's when you know you got them. That's when you know you really got them. You sucked the landing.
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that i came out of the coffin and absolutely destroyed my voice i i won't lie to you i haven't i haven't gone back and watched the caches how how was it you don't need to watch the actual match yeah i watched the build-up material yeah that's what you're doing i didn't see the live experience did you see the funeral i didn't see the funeral wow i've been okay that was the best part i've got some guys i'll link you the funeral hold up and then here's the reason
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I wasn't – Look, Jason, are you dedicated to the cause or not? I woke up at 4 a.m. to watch the final. You don't even need the audio really, but Alex is doing a eulogy.
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So you'll see it starts with Freya coming out of the smoke.
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She's got a candle in her hand there, a flower in her hand as well. She's walking out. Alex is doing the eulogy behind her. Harry Russell, Hugo B. Byron carrying a coffin.
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well i don't know but you've also got mac may you've got uh you got conky they're carrying it you got trace on us around this you never want trace to be carrying your casket while you're still alive jason because you know he's a troll he's never a pallbearer i have it in my will that he's not allowed to be one you know he's just gonna play silly buggers mate he's gonna drop a corner and be like oh oops my bad
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Steals the last man carrying, right? He's the last man on the rungs. And then they're walking down this narrow aisle to get to the stage and making sure they take the pace out of it. You know, the crowd's playing along. They pretend to be sad.
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Yeah, he's full dressed up. Then there's on the screens flashing up. When I was back in Perth, I got pictures of myself from when I was a kid. And I scanned them in and sent them to Freya so they could edit together, you know, a bit of a montage of pictures from when I was a child. Sure. Sure. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
so yeah they carry me all the way they put me down the stage and then you know Henry Henry's not happy you know he's come all the way Jason he wants yeah and his competition satisfaction yeah that means you didn't see me coming out of the coffin I'm watching it right now dog no no no you need to watch you need to watch this one Jesus how many fucking segments did you guys you only need to watch the first like 15 seconds of this one that's all you need all right and then you then you're probably steady
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Yeah, then you're up to date on the caches. But look at the energy coming out of the coffin, Jason. Oh, that is a lot.
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No. Well, we practiced getting put down, but I didn't want to break the coffin on the open. Yeah, you could say I also got hit with a metal chair.
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Oh, the DHL thing that we did aired as well. I don't know if you guys called that, if you thought that was any good.
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His kitchen sink's not working yet.
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There's a smashed window, and he's got a friend, and he didn't keep up with any of the content.
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I think it had funny moments.
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Yeah, there's probably more footage that they could edit in for it to be longer as well. But we'll see how the next episodes go. There's still two and a half more episodes to come. So there'll be one in Cologne, I think.
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The one in Dallas, I think, even. Dallas comes first. Yeah. But we'll see what happens there.
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We've got to get the kid's name right, don't we? Is it Kyosuke? Kyosuke? Kyosuke. Because if he's going to be the next big thing and we're all calling him the wrong name, we need someone to find out. We need to send him an email or something.
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i figured we would get the name down as soon as he got on like you know yeah but i think we should be we should be taking so how are we doing how are we doing it kiyosuke right kiyosuke yeah that's the one okay all right we also have rivals happening where it's like four good teams and four not very good teams well no it isn't well actually no that's fine because face is not they're not so good team even though they were one of the vrs teams at the time of invitation
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Well, I think they're obviously hungry coming in with over 30 days off. You have to think about what maybe some of their problems were before in the losses. So then you think, okay, well, what have they been working on in the time? Have they just been
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
refining more of the same there was a health issue as to why they didn't go to melbourne right so yeah um they they i don't think they were even practicing the whole time because of that uh there was the interview that striker did with magics and i think striker was trying to get a rough idea of how long they had been back at practice and i think it was something just like around two weeks so they that essentially they had two weeks off um so yeah only really been getting back on it recently
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Vitality do come in jet-lagged, but so do the Falcons and Mavs. I'm not even going to bring FlyQuest in the conversation because it's not the same conversation.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think if it was crowd, I think it was crowd, right? And it was against the other best teams. then it would have a bit more. But now that it's Studio, it's kind of lost a bit of shine. I don't like the format in general, to be honest. But I've been loud about that since they were given the exception to do the format.
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Yeah, but there's a lot of things that made this event... But it's still an event with big names, so that's the thing. And Vitality can still lose their streak here. I think that one of the things you were talking about before, Janko, that I was resonating with is...
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i guess the management of the calendar because you look at it for this squad they've they've been able to skip the right events to allow them to to be you know in good form and winning obviously helps because then you get the vrs points like so the year starts they go to blast bounty they lose to eternal fire then they go into catavita they win it and then they have two weeks off occlusions on then they go to epl and they don't even go for the first week of epl right so they're for the second week so they have about three weeks off
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
So you get time to go home, actually have some downtime and then get back to practice. They win EPL, then like, okay, well now we can win the grand slam. They have to go straight from EPL in a blast up in spring. So studio event into arena event, that's a good ramp. You'd prefer it that way than the other way, right?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
You'd hate to go from like the adrenaline dump of winning in Australia to then going in a studio event. Cause that's also gonna be hard to get you started again. Then they have after that, they have Bucharest off. So they have another like three weeks off, right? Essentially. And then they come to Melbourne. Then they win Melbourne, they win the Grand Slam.
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So they've been good at also like setting targets. It feels like good time off, like to refresh, to rejuvenate, to have to be focused, to be hungry to play. And then now this is going to be, I would say, the toughest event for them to have played out of the stretch so far. And I would, like, I agree with the sentiment you had before, Janko.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
It's not really the worst thing in the world if they do lose a game or whatever here. But if I'm the team, I would go, okay, let's beat Liquid Streak, right? Like, let's set that as our next goal. Let's just continue with whatever new biggest and best challenges available. Let's make that our driving factor.
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Yeah, Rush was a challenge. I think, Jason, that's the way you'd put him. You get a good five days of Rush, but once you're heading into day seven or eight, you go, what is my life?
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They would need to win two more series, Jason, to tie Liquid. They're at 21 at the moment. If they beat Wildcard today, they're at 22. And then they'll probably play against Maus for 23. They'll tie Liquid. The thing with the NIP streak is it's a legend among legends.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think the interesting thing with doing that is that's why it's hard to compare to the NIP time too, right?
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28 best of threes or best of fives.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah with that win streak that NIP had 28 of those were BO3s, BO5s But so but I think there could be an argument to be made I understand that it's easier to win one map than it is to win two or three in a series But it also goes the other way. It would be easier to lose one of those so I think measuring that gets a bit weird
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It's a lot to put up with. But we did make it through. It was just a lot of pie consumption. So I was getting really into the pie territories, having a pastry every day. Lots of driving. But where we went, it was fucking terrible weather. We still went for a swim, though. We were getting completely rained on. We went down to this beach at the bottom of Australia.
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I think what was clear, though, when they were the best team was the shift in the way that the game was being played or the level of dial on the nuances. So it stood out a bit more, I think. That's why any of these teams who have had these little patches for the last couple of years, they've been the best team of the time, but it's hard to compare to just the...
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the level of influence that australis had on the entire game and even still the way it's played today right so you know since australis what have we had we had that liquid run we had uh phase well yeah navi navi phase and now uh i don't know spirits was a bit sporadic i wouldn't say there was a period of dominance for spirit would you guys
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
And we're like, well, we're here anyway. So it was miserable weather. But it was like a protected pool. So we went for a swim anyway in the rain. People looking at us like we're a bunch of idiots, which... It was fair enough. It was rain. Not the most lovely of days to be honest.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, Vitality could have a flawless season, right? So they have this, then they go into Dallas, then they have two weeks off or three weeks off until the Major. Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
But it's also crazy because like obviously they haven't just gone to everything under the sun, which is what we're praising. And even in that run of events I'm talking about there, they still get a nice like chunk of break.
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Yeah, so you finish Rivals and then you get two weeks off or like a week and a bit off while Astana's on. Then you go to Dallas and then you finish Dallas.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, you probably wouldn't. You'd go back. You'd finish Dallas and you'd go back because you could go back to Europe for two and a half weeks.
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Yeah, but they're in Stage 3. Oh, that's right. So you can actually go later. I forgot about that. So they would go home. I would go home. You're going to get better practice. The only thing that you risk is the jet lag, I guess.
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It's not perfect.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Obviously, it was LAN.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
don't know but aren't we trying to attribute more value elsewhere like i think that there's a couple of problems with the mrqs it's never gonna hit the same peak i don't think yeah but it's that's the same like conversation you could have about the miners but before that or then the major qualifier that we had that was like the one i played in in 2015 where it was 16 team broken up into four gsl groups and it was everybody like it wasn't just regional based right it was that's what the major qualifier became like the before we've gone into now this 32 theme team thing
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I think, like, I think that the MRQ needs some changes for sure. I think the spots need to be less. I think that more spots need to be determined from the VRS. I think that the, like we discussed previously.
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Yeah, more of the spots need to go to the actual ranking itself. And then have North America and South America play in one event. Don't have them split. Have Asia all play together. I would be fine with making those lands. For European, you can do it online. You should do it online, but you could get away with it doing it online because you have the best conditions.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
They've got pretty good judgment over there. But no, it's just like when you're down there and Russia's never going to go to a place like that again. It may as well, right? You're making your own fun in the situation because you can't do too much.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, but even with Asia, I think, right? I guess FlyQuest had some really bad results. I don't know how far it put them down the ranking. I think they also mismanaged. I think they didn't realize if they went to that Aussie defrag event and just got land wins, how much it would have actually helped their points. So I think some bad or some mislearnings this season. Sorry, Jason.
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They don't really play European events though, right? They'll only play if they get invited to a Tier 1 event.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah, but you're not going to turn down those invites. I understand what you're saying there.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, that's if you just want to play a team who can occasionally get an upset victory or be a team who can actually compete.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
if you just want to be a team and get an upset victory all the time then yeah you could just play in your local events and really not get any better and then maybe you have a good day yeah but if you want to get better you are going to have to play in the big events and you're going to have to be spending more time in europe but now they'll have to split their time between both right they're going to have to go to well now you don't get the invite so yeah you have to do the regional events to get back to being able to spend that time in europe yeah they go into some latin asia right after um
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After this event is the Hero Esports Asian Champion League, which has got like Tyloo, Rare Adam, Lin Vision, Chingus Warriors, The Huns, Zhizhi Hao and Nomads, right? So they're going to play in that from like May the 6th. So as soon as this event ends, they fly. They went Australia to Copenhagen, back to China. That's kind of going to be there. their stretch of events.
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And that's because they need those wins that you're talking about. It's probably good for the confidence too. Not always getting matched up like as seed fucking 16 versus seed number one. So there's a couple of bits and pieces there that could be all right. But yeah, I don't know. I think that you also...
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
comparing those numbers, you're also talking about worse teams as well, Jason, because you have more teams who are already qualified for the major. So sometimes you'd have bigger names playing in the RMR than what would be possible now because a lot more of the teams are already locked in. So that could have an effect on why people were tuning in or not. There's still room for work, right?
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Even room for work with the game. I don't know if you guys have been seeing some of the stuff on Reddit, like, oh, we've delayed sounds or delayed this or delayed that. We're a work in progress, guys. And that's how everyone should always be in life. You know, brick at a time, a day at a time. Make an adjustment. Make a change.
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Yeah?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Okay. I think I might have my voice back by the end of the week. That'd be nice.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Yeah.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, just so far, it was like a four and a half hour drive to get down there, right? So it wasn't, I wanted to take him to a place called Esperance, but I don't think it would have worked out with the amount of days we had. Plus it was school holidays and going into the Easter weekend. So there was a lot going on.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
So, yeah, but most of it was good to be home, good to be in the weather, good to eat the food and then go to Melbourne. So you don't have to worry about jet lag. There's only two hours ahead over there. And then that was good. Everything was nice. Alex had to do a lot of tourism content for Victoria. So we had to go around.
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I don't have anybody to talk about things like I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I've got no idea what I'm saying, mate. I'm not from here. I'm from three and a half hours away on a plane. So, yeah.
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yeah lots of content what else did we do there was the show match the final was great like but overall the hotel the hotel was awesome it was really good like had a nice quality of life with it which you know talking about that seems like such um i don't know what the word is it feels like it it shouldn't be such a topic but it is when you're in hotel rooms all the time and you have you know spaces a little bit bigger bigger and you have more amenities and stuff
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Yeah, maybe. I don't know how stocked he'd be either, Janko, you know, so we would have to see there.
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Basically a nightclub where we went fucking out.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Well, look, I'm not sure. If you'd be gone for a couple of days, Janko, the milk may have gone off, unless you're talking like a milk alternative, maybe like an oat milk or an almond milk or something that doesn't represent traditional milk, long-life milk.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think it's probably a little bit from column A, a little bit from column B. The way that I look at it is they always tend to be in groups, it seems like, or there's a lot of groups of people who go together at the Melbourne event because you've got all the bananas dressed up or all the row F people. So there's almost these little groups within the crowd.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
And I guess whatever kicks off, their little in-jokes or whatever might have influence on what starts getting chanted and if it gets picked up or not. And then I also think it's just to be stupid too. So there's probably a bit of method to the madness, but also just for fun.
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I just think look at how long it took before we had one in China right so I wouldn't imagine it happened anytime soon it's something that could happen I think people coming in from Southeast Asia or China or whatnot to the event there's also a lot of international students so you know I think that there's a decent enough want for it but also I think as far as the global viewership goes it's something that you wouldn't expect to happen for you know several years from now just because the Shanghai one just happened so
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It's very, very... Sweet, thick, viscous. I was just going to go with delicious, but those all work too. Yeah.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think even from a TO perspective, it's one of those scenarios where I don't think you even want to go back every year. You probably want to go back every second year, even though it makes good money. The fact is the Yanker was pointing out the distance and probably having to ship a lot more stuff in at a higher cost. It's probably a good cost per head, right?
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
In terms of money spent on tickets, I think would be pretty strong as well as what's going on in the arena.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
um but yeah once every two years i'd imagine from from esl would probably be the strategy i think they learned from rio right rio just oversaturated too much too much brazil i mean that that first step they had with the major and then the the regular im event like three months later that was so quick yeah it was brutal that was brutal for that one to come around
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
And this is one of the things that I would imagine, yeah, you want to make money out of these things. If you can have a couple that you can return to every second year that guaranteed to be full, then you're not going to be risking going into any of these events ready to have a bit of a blowout and loss of revenue because the hunger's there. We got Chengdu again later this year.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
Chengdu was pretty good when we were there last year, I thought. It was a decent turnout of crowd. It's another one that's in the time zone that's a bit strange. Yeah, there is more catering to this time zone, this part of the world, for sure.
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Episode 133: IEM Melbourne, Vitality and Falcons, FURIA changes, who are the true title contenders?
I think at this point, take anything you can get in this time zone, right? Sure, that's probably true. But yeah, things seem like they're in a decent spot. It's not in a terrible spot, all things considered. Right now, we just had FlyQuest playing against Spirit. They got dumps. Well, I don't want to say that they got dumps. They actually had some close rounds. The scoreline's not great.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
These are the bad guys, bro. They're the bad guys. They're not bad guys.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
That's crazy. They're the ones who are pressuring PGL.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Yeah. Yeah, let's go us.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
This is Counter-Strike.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Guys, if you build it, they will come. Have a proper format. Eight team playoff. Fuck this six team skipping semi-final bullshit. I've been saying it for years and I'm saying it again. It's fucking pathetic. And I don't give a fuck. Oh yeah, but we don't want to do four teams in an arena on a Friday.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Who cares? If people want to go and watch at nine o'clock in the morning on a Friday, they have that option to do so. Yeah, but what about for the team who plays the first game? There won't be any crowd there. Who cares? That just is what it is. Like, what are we doing? Are we still in 2009 where we're trying to get Channel 9 to pick it up on the news and say, look at these gamers.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
They've left their bedrooms. And not only that, 9,000 people came to cheer them on. It's like, fuck off, man. Just put on the event in the way the event should be put on. Let's do what's best for the competition. Fuck all this other shit. I'm fed up of it, Jason. I've had enough.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Okay.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Yeah.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Yeah.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Give him B. Get him on B, Janko. Have a word with him, all right? As you wish, Chad. Thank you. Mouz?
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Yeah, like, why did he do that? Why did he say that? I don't know. It just makes no sense.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
I don't understand why that kid did that.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
I guess.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Oh, my God. So, did we discuss this on the show before?
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
I'm out here telling the truth to people.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
That's the... No, we won't. No, we won't, Chad. Hold it in, Chad.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Let us take all the dodgy money. Jesus.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
These fucking principles, man.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
And the one place that wants to keep giving us money is unregulated gambling, man. Like, fuck, man.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
God damn it. Fuck our lives, right? Oh, my God.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
If you would think the same thing, or maybe there's just me, maybe it is just is Jason alcoholic. Let us know.
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Episode 126: PGL Cluj Playoff results, PGL's Field of Dreams and the CS ecosystem
Jason, you were you were doing so that I thought was fun, though. I saw Oh, yeah.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I don't know if that doesn't make any sense. A shit-tier trash pug. They just looked horribly lost, and all they had was individual plays and skill, and if it didn't work, it didn't work, and the round was over. But days two and three, they actually played some really cool Counter-Strike. They played Aurora really close. I didn't see them on day four get eliminated. I just saw the scoreline.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Okay. Yeah, days two and three, for whatever reason, they actually looked like they were playing some cool Counter-Strike. There were some fun things from them.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. But I mean, there was, there was some, I liked, I liked Kato and, and, uh, and Yuka especially. I think those two players were kind of cool. They were fun to watch. But yeah, I mean, nothing crazy. They had good deagles.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, and it's been an embarrassing year for them, I think, so far, to be honest with you.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
We had it running and it's just like water dripping down like 10 different little like decorative bowls as it goes. So you can hear the water. It kind of sounds like a fish tank, I guess, like a babbling brook.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, it should be. I'm glad he has that kind of honesty, too, as the coach.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
perhaps okay yeah nice and peaceful but on the second day people started noticing it and they were just like who the fuck's got water running like who's who's got fish in the background and then i started feeling bad producers said they couldn't hear it on the audio then the then twitch chat was commenting on it so then it was degrading the audio quality of the product so then i unplugged it but it still remained there in spirit
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, I mean, we casted their elimination game against MIBR yesterday and it was just like they started train up six to nothing and then lost. And then MIBR went at a 13 to one run and then they started Mirage up five to one and then they lost 13 to eight. So like they just like had these like really nice hot starts and then just got smashed. He wasn't even close after that. Yeah.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
It was cool seeing... Did you guys read that Fallon interview on HLTV? Because it was cool hearing him talk about what we've been discussing so much about the Brazilian scene, about the... I mean, we all know the buyout situation, but it was cool seeing Fallon sort of talk about it and point towards moments that they've tried to get certain people. out of teams. I didn't read it, no.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
It's just impossible. I mean, he basically said the last time that Brazil was able to put together the best possible team in Brazil was 2016 when he got Taco and FNX and Zeus to come over to SK Gaming or Luminosity at the time. And he said that was the last time that Brazil was able to get all the players on the same team.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
So he's basically just gone like, you know, we tried to get Queixada at some point, and Yuri, that was never going to happen. We tried to get players now, it's not going to happen. And basically he's just, yeah, he just said everything that we've kind of been, he just echoed all the sentiments that we've talked about with the scene. So that was cool.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Who else is in your temp check category?
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Okay.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
In what way? Like too slow, too tactical, too much like just kind of lollygagging around the map? Like when I watch them play, I feel like the players that they have don't have the ability to like utilize, like they don't have any freedom to like make a decision or make a play in their particular role.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Fair enough.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I mean, that's a real thing, for sure. And I mean, whatever, if it's maybe there's not enough trust from Electronic to give his players that kind of freedom so he has them on more of a leash because he feels like he has to yell at them and fix their mistakes too often.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
And then wrecking them when they go for it, it doesn't work, right? Yeah, exactly. You need to find ways to help them facilitate those kinds of plays.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
you know that's a tough one to do as well so there's always going to be you know a bit of background noise a little bit of ambient that's nice you know the background noise it gives yeah it gives you a little bit of a feel for what the what the environment is like at the studio you know it's i just used a soundboard which i think was revolutionary i actually enjoyed that i saw a clip dinko showed me a clip of you busting out the soundboard uh on like an inferno round like made like some intense music and you just like kind of hype trailered the entire round
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
They could benefit from a, I'm with you. They could benefit. I don't look at that team and think that they're like, I don't think electronic as the leader of that team would put a whole lot of stock in like a mental coach, a performance coach, to be honest with you. And that's, that's, I don't have any like inside, inside into that just from his personality, from interactions.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I feel like he'd be one of those guys who is like, this is some stupid voodoo shit.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Oh, holy shit. Big boom, yeah. I bet it'd be a wash, to be honest with you.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
No, probably not.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
All right, well, so we're here. Hello, Chad.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I think even without considering the in-game kind of factors of it, I guess if you're within that organization, you're like the GM or the owner of the team...
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
again and this is kind of that nuance that we don't have all the details to but if you're getting the feeling from your coaches your other players your staff or just from you know looking at the team that it's more of like what if it's like an electronic attitude that feels like it's the most negative thing in the environment in that case like the boom exchange just not even game related might be a boost if you get someone in there that makes the team environment that everyone feel a lot more comfortable you might just get a natural boost out of that
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I don't think he's hit the developmental peak in his time in Virtus.pro to warrant sticking with him for a long time. He hasn't bought more time for himself, I don't think.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I wouldn't even be against VP doing the fucking Furia-style Hail Mary and just bringing Dexter in for the Major. I don't know if they can, but right now, make it happen.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Every Brazilian team has gotten boring to talk about because it's just been the same thing for the past two to three years.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
yeah that's like slightly better than usual for i mean the problem is like if you look at these teams that you have in this temp check group that you just listed off if they face off against each other do you feel like there's any strong favorite either way like all of them kind of feel like they could be i mean mostly like 50 50 60 40 kind of games like i don't know who i'd pick i might be on a vertice pro like that that feels like it could be a coin toss
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
No.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
You know, I think... Just blank it.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, I think... Well, also, the first time you use it, you're probably all jacked up. You're probably excited about the new feature. You're pumped to just see what you can do with it. So yeah, you're probably chucking it out there a bit too much.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I might have to make a timestamp. I might have to send that directly to them. Just tears, picks them apart limb by limb.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
You know, it's a... I mean, the Lukowski addition was supposed to propel this team into the ability to compete at Tier 1, and it feels like it wasn't nearly as good as advertised. It's kind of just made them a little bit better within the top 20 teams, rather than pushing them into the top 10.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Well, I have this, which I don't know. I have a Steam Deck, is essentially what this is. I don't know if you can turn this into an audio thing. I assume you can soundboard it, but it can obviously be used for different overlays and shit.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, we can. I mean, I don't know what you want. It's going to be a case study in how you turn around an organization that was looking awesome a year ago that was contending for trophies to now being in this situation where you're just flat and playing with a coach and a stand-in, and it's gross.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
We love blame. We do love blame. Particularly when it's not being in my direction. When it's other directions, it's really cool.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I saw him have a couple good maps of impacts.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, he's going to come. He doesn't know we're doing this quite yet. He had a webcam issue, so he's getting a new webcam over at the hotel in Astana. Yakko's just going to join up mid-podcast, and we don't know when. Because we have a hard cut-off time. We have one hour today. That's it. Just one hour to give you.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
It seems in some sense like they've lost an edge that makes them a dangerous team on the eye test in terms of actually being able to go deep in tournaments. It is that body language, but I also feel like at this event when I was casting Aurora, I felt like Major was having to do a lot of work and timeouts of getting people like
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
communicating with each other and focused on the game and involved like every time out I heard he was like looking down the line and being super energetic like I felt like he was really trying to get his boys into the game so I don't know it's kind of scary when you see when it feels like Aurora's had like this like nothing crazy but a regression over the last few events where you no longer get that sense like they can beat the teams to to get you know deeper into the play like some of the teams that you think they would be you feel like they can no longer do it it just keeps getting worse and you felt like after that break it would get better but it's still kind of lingering around and
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I feel like I still have some faith in Mongols, but yeah, the Aurora one is fading quickly.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I didn't get a chance to watch any of the Na'Vi games so far at Astana, but I know one of the recent episodes, I was kind of at the point with them where I was like, this feels like sort of the level we just thought they'd be able to hit last year, except they excelled with so many peaks and so much crazy impact and so many good runs and good tournaments from individuals.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Has Na'Vi looked any better now after this? Alexi's playing his best tournament in forever. He was top-rated player for them after a couple days, wasn't he? He still is. That's a problem. But I mean, this was also the issue when they won the major, right? It was like they had two of the lowest rated players at the event, but the system was so strong at the time that it overcame that.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
But now I don't think you're going to have that luxury.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Like that seemed like the guy who was who was the guy who delivered in those moments. And we're not getting that this year, which is which is a bummer.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Here he comes. Yeah, we are live. I just want to throw that out there into the universe. We've already started. We just decided to go for it. So welcome.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
If all five players had their best days on every day of the playoffs...
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
All right, what's the next section?
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Your lighting is fantastic. It's the microphone that might be the webcam at the moment. I think it's coming through the webcam right now. So this is what we thought would happen. Exactly. This is the moment I wanted to create for the audience at home.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, he was missing some shots. He was really off this event. He was missing some shots you don't normally see him missing. But I casted that game. They were eliminated by Hatsu. Or not eliminated, but just, yeah, eliminated by Hatsu. Yeah, eliminated. And that was one of the days that Hatsu looked really good. Like they came in, like Kato was playing super well for them.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Duke was, Duke and Kato are like, they're kind of space takers. And those guys were just punishing them. So you had this, you had this weird situation where like the opening to the rounds, Gamer Legion always felt on the back foot, but there was some, there was some real ugly misses and not a whole lot of resistance from the Gamer Legion side.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Well... Yeah, I don't know. I guess, yeah. They're not going to the Major. Jesus Christ, that's where this all started. I was sat there and I was like, well, maybe he needs the time. And then I was like, but I don't think Gamer Legion is out of the Major.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
And if you're slammed, you're like, oh, fuck, I just had the terrible performance. There's going to be a stand in going in with no pressure. If he plays well, it's going to make me look even worse. And then we're going into the major and there's a player break, which is historically when teams make moves, which means there's going to be a whole slew of offers probably hitting the market.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
So he's probably having a really rough mental time at the moment with this next upcoming couple of weeks.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
He has to.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
That's true. This is kind of like his first traditional IGL, I guess. Who was it? Okay.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I'm with you. I go, give him the end of the year. We'll give him a few more months. Yeah. We're being generous. Yeah. We're feeling good today.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Is Shushu going to continue to play well? Because he's in a beast mode form right now for this group stage.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I think for me, NIP is like, I'm a snappy stand, so I'm really happy about this performance. I think it's been obviously a great reward with the VRS stuff they've had to work through. Is the episode back? Yeah, it's up there. It's around. It's back. But really, this team is only going to get better based off you jerks and Ares Dos. Like, watching them, it's clear the skill's there.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I think they make bad decisions at times. I think their decision-making and their game sense is really, really, really low right now for the professional top scene. I think the future of NiP is going to live and die by Snappi and Exist's ability to get them up to speed in that regard. and teach them and get them to start playing the game properly in every single situation.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Because I think their biggest obstacle of beating a team like Spirit is just you're going to make too many mistakes that they're going to punish you for. Like, even if you can match up with them tactically and skill-wise, you're just going to make bad mistakes in 3v3s and 4v4s and miss rotation and miss position from one of those guys in the rounds over.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
And, you know, whatever the consequences of that might be. Economic damage, losing two rounds in a row, getting reset, whatever.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
um but yeah those two guys need to need to find a way to pick up their their game in terms of reading what's happening and how they play different situations yeah i i think for me it's just the the vrs stuff in terms of anything else for the tournament job done and they're about to lose or most likely about to lose but show us but lose with a good fight show us show us something i'd like to see you know
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
It's like nothing... I feel like for Spirit, nothing can...
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Well, that brings up, I guess, a question if we shift out of the conversation around teams that I was kind of going to ask during this podcast chat if you still got the time for it. But it's just like when you have an event like Astana and then Dallas and you have all these roster changes at both of them and then you have the Major right after it, it's hard.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Like from our perspective in our job, it's hard to kind of contextualize these things in like a big picture, right? Because nobody's going to remember like any kind of grand storyline with the major around the corner. That's when all the storylines are going to get resolved. It's not going to be at Astana. It's not going to be at Dallas.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
So it's like, what's the angle you take with these events in terms of talking about the teams? Well, that's why I came up with this framing, right?
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Right, but when you, I guess my point is like when you contextualize their run at the events, like we've talked about it a little bit and you can't change your mind, but when we go to Dallas, you know, like how do you talk about a team like, you know, Vitality playing good when the major is like right around the corner? Like it feels like it doesn't add much to the, to the story of them.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Framing wins.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
We might have to edit that part out.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
If it makes you feel any better, boys, we're about to be in Dallas, and we know that AC works. That AC ranks.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
That could become a problem. I actually did not think of that eventuality when I hit the record button.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
But yeah, it's not live, so we can save the day. Exactly. We don't need a big red button or anything along those lines.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Could you do me one quick favor as we, as we continue? Can you point your webcam a little bit further down for ease of editing purposes? I know. I'm so sorry. I'm not trying to be like a, you know, imagine if he fucks the webcam. I know.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
That's perfect. That's great right there. You're great. All right.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
It's better. It's better.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
It's just you had a lot of empty space at the top. And for editing reasons, it makes it difficult to make all of our heads the same size so we don't look all weird in these webcam boxes. Because, you know, we're a webcam podcast now.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, so Dinko and I went to a casting. A water feature? Yeah, we decided to because, you know, when Harry and Hugo do their remote casting, Harry has the whole plant feature behind him. He has all the plants for like a jungle environment. You guys had a nice little setup in your couch in your living room.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
How's the event itself on the ground?
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I mean, it's patently absurd. Well, first of all, if I'm going to die my beard, does no one see this giant gray patch of aging? Happening on my if I was dying when you're casting what am I doing like dying around here and leaving this little patch down here? Just just for the fun of it. No, I don't die my beard.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
It's just I haven't I don't I'm in a phase of I set out to just grow the beard and Move past and get past the itchy annoying phase where I historically always shave it off. I've just toughed it out So I it's just it's just thick right now cuz I'm not I haven't trimmed it in like a month thick for summer thick for summer Which makes sense?
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I didn't know about that one. Jesus Christ, we're walking right into the lion's den here. Yeah, no, it does. I think the lighting downstairs for this remote broadcast in my studio wasn't perfect. So, yeah, the beard did look extremely dark for the show. But I think, you know, I don't dye my beard. Come on, boys.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
And I just kind of have like a studio room downstairs that just looks like a traditional desk. So I wanted to spruce things up. So Dinko and I were in Costco. I was showing him end-stage American democracy, freedom, and capitalism at the giant warehouse of Costco. $1.50 hot dog and unlimited refills on a soda as well.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, I've been like I've been bald for 10 years and I'm known for getting hit in the face with a cream pie. I have a subreddit dedicated to cream pie Photoshop. So like as if I'm going to like be, you know, a little self-conscious about some gray in my beard. King of the pies, we call him. King of the pies. King of the pies.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
That's a strong trio.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Yeah, I'd say Hugo, Byron taking them out of spawn and maybe Maui doing some more of the mid-round style.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
I think Blair's going to get a little nervous on the stage as well. I think Blair, you know, on the big stage in front of the people is going to have a tough time. He's going to get nervous for sure. Those lights are bright.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
And just a mismatch in experience, you know, and at Dren and Mo, you got them coming back, major winners. They're playing for pride. They're coming to, this is kind of like their, you know, this is their Super Bowl. They've been retired now for a few years and they need to show the Kazakh scene that they're here to party.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Dren just started that whole new organization and how are you going to get players to come to that organization if you can't beat the analysts and the casters of the event?
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
So we were just walking through and we saw this water fountain piece in the middle of the store. And we were just like, yeah, we should probably buy that just for the broadcast. So I bought it. Now, doesn't it create an audio issue? It does, but it wasn't an audio issue on day one. Nobody noticed it.
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Episode 135: PGL Astana - FURIA's gamble pays off, G2 stumbles, Return of the IGL for NiP & Astralis
Bro, before we go on, I actually thought Hot2 on day two and three played some cool Counter-Strike. What did you think that was cool about it, Matt? Well, I mean, I don't... I mean, they actually looked like they had setups and protocols and were actually trying to play some team-based counter-strike. Because I casted them on day one, and they looked like a god-tier trash pug.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
When you do the two best of ones and the one best of three, if things are ahead of schedule.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I went and bought like cashews from across the roads, you know, like a handful of nuts and have a protein bar, you know, have a shake a coffee fucking away you go.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I've actually avoided a lot of the candy.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, no, you're right. But that was in the two best of three days. And it's like, as you go into the second one and I'd eat breakfast, but then I wouldn't eat until after the show. So I don't want a little buzz, a punch of energy, especially when you do two games with dire consequences, either elimination or qualification.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
You want to make sure that you have the energy to do it because like two of those back to back, you got to make sure that you're hitting the right level for a major.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
yeah yeah just the way it is so a little little bounty little snickers a little bit of sun sun yeah get a little peek in there yeah but in terms of my over consumption in the past i've got it well covered you know usually you just have a diet of that you just kind of eat the bullshit all the time yeah well that's uh i mean most places back in the day really just only stocked candy didn't they now we've got them to have some fruit it's no longer just like 15 different candy bars in the
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, Caden already had a bit of time off, right? Because he was benched from Liquid. So he did have a bit of a hiatus anyway. I think they're obviously emo, which would be fair. The fifth situation is probably up in the air. And that's why, like, the conversation we had about device in the past and if you should retire or not, or what should happen with the future.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
It leaves the whole team in limbo. So it creates a lot of instability for that specific team. But if we were talking about a roster that got eliminated, and all five, and we knew that that was going to be the team going forward, or they were going to make a change and they could make the change now because they were going to grab someone from another Danish team.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
then yeah don't don't just coast into the holidays you know at least get together have a conversation start on something so that you can go into the next year on the right foot because you need to make up for the shortcomings that is not qualifying for the major yeah and i'm i'm not i'm not talking about teams like passion and stuff i'll probably go back and play tomorrow cct or something you know but i'm going to turn on the stream if i can love it yeah i'm talking about some of the bigger names the bigger orgs that generally like let's say don't play those tournaments to begin with and you know now that they're out is like
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
teams might even prioritize that a little bit because it starts off with the blast online thingy and you can get like a nice little head start i guess it's going to be impacted as well of where they end up in the valve uh regional standings for next i hate that it's not valve ranking system yeah just can we just change that yeah just actually co-op i agree wholeheartedly maybe we send them a dm the name needs to change but um
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
It's going to depend on where they end up there as well because we don't know what their first event will be. They should be in the top 32 teams in the world that are going to invite to the bounty, right, for Blast?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Right? I don't know. I haven't had a look at where they're at. But anyway, you'd hope that their season starts with everybody else.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
well yeah because it's you know monetary based on the teams that you bet they're based off and they and they and they don't count the fines as you know taking prize money away yeah so you're on fire man thanks um that's because i riled him up um so yeah i like i i agree with the sentiment that they should be coming back earlier
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I'm sure Tessa's available. Ready, willing, and able. Oh, dear. No, but a lot obviously happened. I don't have the money for them. No, that's the biggest problem, isn't it? A lot happened over the course of the opening stage. So will we do another episode before I leave on Sunday? Yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Do you leave Sunday night or Monday? I leave Sunday night. My flight's at like 4.20 or something. So I guess I got to go to the airport at like 1 p.m. or some shit.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So I don't even know if I'm working that day. Like I didn't work the last day.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, well, let's just aim to say we do one Saturday and see what happens. Because most of the teams we locked in there would be the last three teams. So maybe something a little bit interesting for everybody. Where do we want to start? Because there's a few key... They're both bigger topics that they're not really... Well, one of them, I guess, is a bit more focused.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
The other one is more regional, like Russia, for example. We're only going to have Spirit and Flemish in the top 16. So considering a region that has so many players and so many talented players... It's fucking shit. Like, honestly, you look at a VP, I think I put faith in the pedigree of the individuals to be able to grind out games. They just looked fucking dog. That team has to be done.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And then you look past that, you look at other names that we had of Russian teams that have come in, like Auroras, the Betbooms, you know, the list goes on. There are talented nine pandas. There are talented players in these teams, but either they're all on the wrong team or there's not a good enough in-game leader or think about it as well.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Cloud9 Groove's got to get some fucking real scrutiny now. Yeah. This is the worst of all the teams he's had, but you look at it. He had the Gambit kids that he raised online, great. Like that's where they popped off. It was online CS though. Then he got given probably one of the most exciting teams in recent history that was a fucking shit show. Maybe that's electronics fault, who knows, right?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, I'm with you. But then they had this team and then this team looked fucking mid as anything as well. Who thought it was a good idea to bring Inter's back? Sorry, Inter's. I think you're a nice kid and stuff. But what are we doing? With all the talented players in Russia, you went for Inter's?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I don't think they'd be much better at all. Okay. I think they would be a little bit better, but like in terms of overall, like Heavy God was good and then he wasn't. I think it's still tough for him because he's new. So I'm not going to be too critical. I think he's going to have a bright future. But... That team overall, if I'm fucking Jack, get rid of it.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
When he first picked them up and it was going to be that crazy... Well, not the first. When they changed and had the Perfecto, Hobbit, Shiro, etc., right? I was like, yeah, fuck yeah. But now, what are you doing, bro? This, what do you, I don't know. It's just a mess.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Okay, so you could talk to each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
No, no, no. Okay, well, that changes.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I think it was a 13-10 scoreline, so one round, yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
That's the thing, right? So obviously we're focusing in on Cloud9 right now, but we also said the VP looked pretty mid and the same conversation goes for a lot of them. The biggest issue is I don't have an intimate enough relationship with the Russian scene to know what type of trades are possible. But clearly in the past with say Aurora and Nine Pandas, it hasn't been easy.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So you wonder if they're even able to build the team out of the best parts because there are really strong pieces. There are really good fraggers. But like you... You feel like for us, it's almost like get all the faces up on a board and we'll just pick the dream.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But what you start like, you go, who's the best in-game leader out of the bunch, right? And then you probably just go Burmish because of the name value. But is he really? And then I go, who's a good coach? I got no idea. I don't know.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Look, it's a suggestion.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, not Cloud9.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Might need to talk to him. Where is he? I can look him up. Hooch should be a good one to get some info out of.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, he was part of Aurora for a little while. It'd just be good to get some insight because with so many good players, you would hope, right, that they would be able to have a good team because the only top team out of them is Spirit and that's because they automatically qualified for the top 16, right, based off their...
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
It is one of these suggestions. One of these suggestions. All right, gentlemen. Obviously, we're here today to discuss the geopolitics. Do we want to start with Hunter Biden pardoning or South Korea?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yes, still part of the big six.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
That was the Jambo Ninja.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I just... Did they play Furia in the first round, right? And they played Furia four times in the last two years, and they haven't dropped a map. Most of it's been pretty dominant. I think two of the maps have been closed. That's when Furia was picking Mirage into Spirit.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I thought you would.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I thought about that too. But the thing, and if I put myself in his shoes, and I know that it's a personal thing here, but the level of enjoyment and satisfaction that I would get would come a lot more from being the coach and actually be heavily involved with the game.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
because the winning and the losing right like whereas in what we do right now that's not not the case but i think like being more detached and being the gm like you're doing more paperwork and emails and all this type of stuff right whereas if you're actually involved in the team and the counterstrike that's the fun part that's why we're all like do this i'm not sure he's had much fun the last two years bro to be honest with you that's the that's the problem is like okay i mean also you gave it a go and
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
HeavyGod's Israeli, bro. He can go anywhere. He doesn't need to be tied to that.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Right, because there were some horses that were not saddled. Yeah, exactly. It's possible.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Go check his Instagram story.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And obviously... Those two teams had more expectation of making the major. Maybe not Astralis after the device thing, but Eternal Fire especially, right? Yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I think he was in Japan or something first after they got eliminated and now he's in South Korea. So he's checking out all of Asia, which is nice. You might as well win in that part of the world.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
You could keep heavy guard. But yeah, I think the Russian conversation, maybe we have it in the future when the Major's done or whatever and we build our dream Russian team with all the players, right? And see what there is because we could go in on VP, but what's the point?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, there was a rebuttal on Reddit, Jason.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Okay. So you feel that... The thing you absolutely despise. But...
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
and we have no ability to put... Look, I can agree with the sentiment that the leader should come and give the interview, obviously with the Chinese thing, whatever, right? That is what it is. But VP is the most hated team in Counter-Strike. I can't think of one. If it's not going to be... Who cares about them, bro? Honestly, what are we talking about here? This is a team that you're bang on.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
We've put up with the nonsense. There was a BetBimDacha event. I wasn't at that event. That's where they said, oh, you can't ask them questions about the leadership.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
right oh so okay so they asked us not to bring it up during the cast they asked us don't talk about the leadership in an interview that's literally telling you like you can't talk about it which as like counter-strike pundits we never get any form of like oh don't say this or don't say that right because the thing is we're talking about the scene from a holistic perspective right and that's kind of the reason that we we have our positions is because we're meant to be downloading all that data and framing it and looking at it from these things it's like fuck him man
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Same kind of thing with the Mongols, but they're coming out of their shell a little bit more and they're speaking a bit more English. So that's good. And they don't come across like cunts. Well, it's true though, right? Look at Magix and Zontix on EPL, right? They didn't want to be there. And that's fine. They don't have to be there.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, but I think they got... To be fair, I think they got fed up at a certain point of... Zontics, remember, just being like saying, ask actually good questions, right? Do you remember that?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And I think that's... Yeah, funny how we come back to that. Well, I think that's reasonable or something. And it also goes back to what you were saying, maybe not about necessarily the angle, the questions necessarily needing to be
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
you said hostile I think obviously there's answers that people there's questions that people want answers to right but the thing that irks me the most in the interviews is how fucking and this is not by independent websites or anything this is mainly broadcast ones just how matey they are like dabbling each other up and fist bumping and shit and like we've had people in the past who have done interviews and I'm sure people at home can work out who I'm talking about who have done interviews and they've done the interview and the player's like clearly sad or whatever and you're talking to a competitor and you're like oh it's okay you'll come back stronger and I'm like
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
You've never competed at anything in your life if that's you as an interviewer saying that to a player. It's like, what are you fucking saying, bro? Like, I can't believe that. This is the thing that pisses me off so much. This is of competition, right? These people go out there and they're there to win. They're not there to lose. And obviously losing fucking sucks.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And then when they do sack up and they go out there and they do a loser interview, which is great, that's what we want. We want them to, because we want the human emotion. Everybody wants to see that. That's what it's about. The whole premise of this is you dedicate hours upon hours upon hours as your team to grind and to be the best Counter-Strike team in the world.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
The sacrifice, the this, the that, the travel. Like we want to see that, but I don't want to see like some fucking...
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
it'll be okay honey you'll be fine like because like we all know that right but in that moment right like that is the most crushing point of that person's year they've just been eliminated from the thing that they were trying their hardest to win right like i would tell a person if they said that to me in an interview i'd either fucking walk off i'd tell them to fuck off and you actually would i feel like i've seen you come very close to that in interviews back in the day
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
You know what I reckon the problem is, bro? I think there's a thought process.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I think the thought process here is if we ask players questions that they don't like, then they won't do interviews with us. But then at that point, it's like, well, we asked such and such for interview and they said no. That's it. That's how this should go.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
We've gone on a tangent.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Let's go. I just feel so good because we had that fucking cunt in the YouTube comments for most of the year who's like a massive complexity stan.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
and did you ban him i think i did but it's like oh it feels so good like them like and i picked complexity to go to the next yeah i did too but just because that fucking guy like ragging on about complexity and they're good and this that and the other and i'm like Are we watching the same team? Are we looking at the same issues?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Because those exact issues that we pointed out all year are the ones that cost them.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
The Complexity's map pool looked like an absolute mess anyway. I was having a tough time thinking where they would go, and that's because Vertigo tended to be one of their maps. And it's like, okay, I get it against some weaker teams or whatever, but even that feels like a coin toss at the best.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Look at you being fucking influenced.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
No, I don't think having a couple days off would really affect you too much anyway. Yeah, no, probably shouldn't.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, you take a couple of days, then you hang around, you practice against all the European teams. Then you have four days between the opening stage of the major starting.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But this is another one that's fucked, isn't it? From an org perspective, like Jason Lake in terms of sponsors and stuff for the team, the poor guy, like.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So then what do you think?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I want to say. I thought he was old. He can't be that old. I think he's 27. Okay. Yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, apparently he does want to go to Europe. Apparently now he's happy to compete. That's been a mental shift for him, though.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, then you're fucked.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Jesus Christ. So, okay. So I received a message from an individual on Instagram. I'm not going to, I don't know if he cares if I say his name or not. So I'm not going to say his name, but we were discussing previously, you know, about what would, what all this kind of means for Astralis. And he linked me something from, I guess this is LinkedIn and it's in Danish and it's basically a woman.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I think that there will still probably be, this is my imagination of it, that there will still be regional slots, right? So because of the implications of what happens here, like let's say, this is one of the things I wanted to talk about. people are like, oh, Europe are going to get less spots.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, it's like, they probably get the same, if not more spots, because if it's a 32-team major, Europe is still the most dominant region. They will have slots taken away from them that they would have had, but it'll still probably be the most- Yeah, if it were to be a 24-team major, they might have slots taken away, but it's a 32-team major now. It was 24, definitely would, right?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But because of 32, maybe it stays the same or it even goes up. I assume it would go up, because it's more teams to field. But when I think about that, I think, Fucking hell, how do we get 32 teams of decent quality? Because some of the stuff we've seen is like, whoa, boys. Most of the European teams in that stage that we just covered off were fucking average as fuck.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
The players are good, but their actual approach to Counter-Strike, bad. And that was the thing with Passion that was so refreshing is they had really just focused on the basics of Counter-Strike. And then their players, in moments, got to show off their individual skill. They stepped up. You know, that was probably one of the things I liked the most there.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But okay, so like with what you're talking about, Wildcard have done well, which unfortunately means, hey, you're probably not getting Stan in that case because that team has done well. But if you were going to look for another North American in-game leader, well, maybe you don't need a North American in-game leader. JT is not North American, right? He's from South Africa.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So you could look elsewhere.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
That's true.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Maybe they would have taken a risk and tried something different.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
three yeah right no no this year it was this year oh yeah it was yes yes yes yes but like they had enough of those yeah they had enough of those wins to keep this lineup going on life support it's like what the joke when your kinder gets a 20 bomb and people are like oh he's just secured another two years yeah that kind of a thought process yeah
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
There was like Yay and Ricky and stuff, wasn't it?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
No, her name is Sandra. I was gonna say known as Sandra. Yeah. Her name is Sandra. She didn't get to keep her new job as a graphic designer at Astralis because the team didn't qualify for the major. Yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, I think it depends on what you're looking at here, right? Obviously, the accomplishments for Nitro are greater than the accomplishments for Stan, but the teams that Stan's done it with compared to the team that Nitro had to do it with.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, he was. Like, you know.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, I know, but look, you can... Eight straight finals in 2018.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I think Swisher has dropped off a cliff, but I think Lake and Rek play two completely different.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
um and he said he thought it would be an interesting talking point uh for talking counter uh the quote because it's in danish he's just i haven't checked this sure uh he's unfortunately the team did not qualify for the major tournament the financial consequences of which were uh decisive for among other things my position has been discontinued um
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Did you just say give wildcard a leash for Sonic?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Do you know how funny it is though that they've been able to get this far in the major when at points of the year Fozy and Susp are playing from Europe to America in like tournaments and that's how they're practicing and one of them can't get into the States so has to go to Canada instead and then they have an event in America and then they have to use like a Polish AWP I think it's like friends with the three or whatever and then it's like they've had all of those things happen so that would be great excuses for why things don't click why you don't even qualify for the major why like you've had a bumpy road and now they're in the top 16.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So with what you're saying, there might not be any Astralis anymore, Janko. You know, they got to pay the C-level and they got to pay the players. So other than that, they probably don't have a whole lot of funding going on.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
yeah i spoke to my dp a little bit as well and one of the things that he said is like kind of not being on social media a whole lot which is a great thing i think for players and social media unless you're trying to build like a content legacy twitch streaming back end right which is not going to work for everybody it's only going to work for you know a very very small amount of them um then yeah stay the off social media because there's nothing good for you there like there's there's absolutely nothing good it's just a story yeah and it's it's it's most of its negativity
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
speaking of distractions and social media and wildcard shout out to sonic one time that was well yeah yeah i saw that and i was like no bro no not before this game no yeah do it well i think like in terms of how it played out it's okay yeah but if they didn't qualify right that would be that that would be a lot more agonizing yeah um
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But it was an interesting interaction, not one that I think you'll see with too many team owners and players. So that was something. It was wild, man. Yeah. Oh, well. Shout out to Amaranth for getting into Counter-Strike one time. She was watching the game.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Straight up, that's no joke.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
You know, I did think, and I didn't read deeply into this, but one thing was like, you know, I think there was some sentimental statement she made about probably going to be out of pocket with this whole thing.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
and i'm like but i thought and this isn't her case directly this is like disguise toast and a lot of these guys right that the idea behind having teams in different games is to give you content to stream yeah right like it means that okay well my team's on i can co-stream their match right yeah that gives me four hours of content today exactly because like it must be tough being a just a i don't
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
i was just being a variety streamer as opposed to like it must be tough just also streaming just one game but to be able to come up with new content all the time right um you know you know it depends on what your viewer base is therefore i think for amaranth is a little bit different than um you know someone just streaming sure for example um but you know i yeah anyway it's
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And you're not going to be selling device. I saw that Kassad got heat for fucking saying the same thing I did about, you know, device should retire.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Really? How many did you get?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Did he tweet it?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I thought it was... It was in the... What was it?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, there's obviously so many more variables than... There's a lot of variables, right?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But I, yeah, I don't know why he got heat for it. Maybe it was the way he said it. I didn't actually see the way that he said it.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
yes it's like why does that matter like it is you're definitely rolling the dice so you got four out of how many did you get uh five okay i got five i got seven good for you yeah i thought you didn't even do it that was that would be a chad thing normally i don't um i and with the conversation we had to finish here i took cloud nine out and put big in so oh good good show yeah yeah i also took passion out after our conversation although that almost bit me in the ass but yeah
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah. I did mine last night when Val put the update out. Okay. So here's mine, right? And you guys can tell me what you think about this. All right. I've gone Vitality and Mouses, the 3-0s, because I look at G2 versus Mongols as an opening game, and I think I still favor G2, but I look at Mongols in this situation. They're acclimatized. They're on their time zone. They're on a hero now.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
They're a lot more comfortable with the food. uh they they hey g2 loves hot pot i'll tell you that okay okay uh the the mongols also i wrote down some stuff they lost 15 rounds over four maps that they played in the opening stage so their players were hot right like they were now to be fair they didn't play the best teams they played rare adam mibr and gamer legion
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, that's just the way he is.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But one of the things that stuck out there was they won seven out of eight pistols across those things. So they were just fucking ready to go every game. Like they were looking fucking tough. So that game right there for G2, I don't think it's going to be easy. I think last time they played it was in EWC and it was pretty close there. I think G2 won 2-0, but the matchup kind of goes.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
You know, you got to know. And on that show, they are trying to, you know, rile up crazy opinions. So that's kind of the, well, not that I think that's a crazy opinion.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So, yes, which, you know, for them, G2 to win that is massive. So I think that one right there, that's why I haven't put G2 as a 3-0 team. And I didn't want to put Na'Vi as a 3-0 team either because they play Liquid in the first game. And I know that the only times that they lost to Liquid were on debut, right, with Blast, where it's just the Liquid roster.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
anubis played a big role in that and this is a best of one but the same situation again liquid or acclimatized i think if liquid play inferno again i have to watch the dog shit t side again i'm gonna blow my brain but um i i couldn't i i think that vitality of a gamer legion and mouths over pain are much more likely opening results right so that's kind of where i found that logic and then the team's going through and this is in no particular order i just wrote them down now on the paper so i remembered phase spirit navi g2 liquid mongols um the liquid one is on a bit of a hope and a prayer and the same with phase like i think you
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, there's probably Nuka or Inferno in that series or that match. So yeah, there is definitely a chance. But I think FaZe bring out the daddy dick.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Because Buckles fucks it when we get to 2-2 matches.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
fucks it how so what happens is if you do one versus 16 and two versus 15 etc etc etc by the time we get to the end games let's say that you know there was some upsets and that a few of your stronger teams uh are still in the running we may end up with navi versus fucking g2 as a 2-2 game instead of having the like so and then we would have gamer legion versus fucking i don't know pain
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Same as Liquid.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
If you could make a case that... But I think it doesn't matter if you go 3-0 or if you go 3-1.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
right because the thing is let's say that you're liquid and you're uh moguls and you do lose those opening games then you drop down and then you should have the most favorable matchups in the next round right and and at that point i know but that's just that's just you being easy not everybody can go three oh only two teams can go three oh they're gonna face each other that's fine but better you know if they both do it they should play in the
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
It doesn't bother me that much because it's come out in the wash every time so far. Just with the opening stage, I feel like it came out in the wash. We didn't have any crazy shit matchups for the last game. You could maybe argue that Passion versus Wildcard was, but at the same time, you had FlyQuest playing against MIBR. Whoever thought FlyQuest was going to go 2-0?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, well, look, I kind of see what you're saying about it. But the thing is, yeah, who is their fifth going to be? It's probably going to be Bro, because I don't know. Even the device reckons he's going to come back.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
The best team that Gamer Legion have beaten, right? And that's not to take away from their success because I think their success has been amazing. And I love what Ash is doing with the team. Flamas' personality is fun. You're seeing a bit more from Slend on the AWP. The best team they played is Mongols. And they got, I think... Smashed. Ten rounds. They got embarrassed. Seven rounds.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
There you go, seven rounds. So, like, I think that, yeah, it's been great. It's been a fun story. Same as wildcard, right? Awesome. They've overachieved as far as my expectations. They played solid CS. Their players have stepped up. We're in a different caliber of Counter-Strike right now. And, you know, maybe they get fortunate with the 0-1 or 0-2 matchups and then they avoid it.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But for me, those are the ones that... don't stick out like a sore thumb because I could easily see big or heroic going 0-3, right? It just depends on who wins or loses that opening game right there. I just think that this is where the rubber meets the road. That's a nice saying. That is a nice saying. And we see a different quality starting to come out of a lot of these names.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Can I go back to FlyQuest for a second? Go back to FlyQuest for a second. So... i think that they're obviously going to be well actually their tweets didn't seem that like you'd be devastated losing is devastating right and especially when you had three opportunities uh your first one was against liquid you took a map and then the next two against the brazilians who
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, yeah, hey, look, they still got him on the bench, right? So they might as well keep him there for the time being. But, yeah, look... I was going to... Jason, do you remember the movie Dunstan Checks In?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Then they played really good CS. The individuals were on form. They were winning clutches. They were hitting shots. They didn't look like losties, right? That was really nice to see. The progression has been clear. They looked much different from the pressure team we saw in the RMRs, the one playing at the major, probably more like themselves when they won Atlanta.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
so atlanta is probably the highlight of their year other than these two best ones that they had but the brazilian teams i knew were not going to respect them the brazilian teams were not going to have any respect for them whatsoever because the brazilian team has been farming them for years i remember watching mibr versus them a couple years ago on vertigo and it's like the first map was close or whatever then you roll into the second map and they're just like we're just going to run all over these fucking kids like we're w in their face we don't give a fuck
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And it was sad to see the way it went down. Um, but they clearly have made improvements. And I think I made, um, I'm a man of the people, Jason.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Go type, type in Jane ups on HLTV. Oh, it doesn't show my profile. Um, shit. Fuck. Well, there was a, there was a thread yesterday. Um, it was called Jane ups. Come here. And Jane ups. Come. Yeah. Scroll down, scroll down, scroll down. I've made a big post.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
you'll find it you'll find there it is holy shit i made two big posts this is a this is like a this is a novella um but basically they were the guy was like oh what can fly quest do and i i got in there or a novel in english i i got in there and i i um i kind of you know gave not opinions but kind of facts of how things are from my perspective discussing like oh i tried to get them into talon but they decided to go fly quest using fancy words in this under the proviso nice thanks
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
It was about a monkey in a hotel.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
No, no bifurcating. But I explained the difference in philosophy of what they decided to go for and what I thought is the route to success, which obviously, in my opinion, it's better off to spend more time in Europe. And theirs is they want to still be based out of Australia, that they didn't want to make any roster changes.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I've mentioned in there that if they were going to join Talon, I was going to say that there would need to be roster changes after Dallas if there was an improvement, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I also go on to say I can acknowledge the fact that... that maybe they, because I've offered my help before, right? Maybe they don't value my opinion. Fine, that's fine.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
That's what I've kind of felt like the last couple of days because I wasn't scheduled to do any games.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Maybe they don't, maybe they think I'm busy. Maybe they resent me because I've been talking about, you know, the need for changes or whatever within the roster, which is fine because I used to be in that position when I was in game. Yeah, it's very understandable. Yeah, so I get all those things. But realistically, at the end of the day, I just want them to be the best that they can be.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
It's not like any personal attack. It's not that I dislike any of the players. There's nothing like that. But it can feel that way when you're a player, right? Yes. So I explained a lot of those different things in there. But they proved me wrong in a big way because one of the players I'm most critical of, Alistair, I think he made clear improvements. He didn't look lost.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
He wasn't getting caught out of position anymore. He actually looked like he was contributing to the team in different areas, which was nice. the overall approach of the team had changed like their, their way that their product until they got to the best of threes, their protocols and everything were much, much better. And they were all doing that while still being majority based out of Australia.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
What do you mean? It's from our childhood. 1996.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So like mad props to them, because I don't know like how it will continue if they make changes or what, but they definitely made steps in a direction that I didn't think they would otherwise. So I just wanted to say, you know, shout out to the boys. That's all I wanted to say.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So FaZe you're a little bit concerned about?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
He was like eight or nine years old. Nine, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so there's got nothing to do with anything other than the fact it's set in a hotel. Dunstan is a monkey. I'm the monkey and I've been in a hotel. Not up to any silly business, however. Like the day off, I was like, what do I do with myself? I got to keep waking up early because I'm on this early schedule. So I woke up early.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
What reason? Is it just based off of everything seeming to track downhill and the rumors about roster changes? Or what is it?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But they've been there back for a couple of days at least. More than a couple of days.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Four or five? I'm pretty sure I saw on Kerrigan's story at least two to three days ago.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Fuck, maybe. Everything's blown into one. These mornings.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I don't know what I was doing. I think I was in a face or some shit. And then I checked my phone and I see the group has 41 messages. I'm like, oh shit, maybe there's like important in here. I open it's just fucking stickers. I'm like, fuck these idiots.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
will kind of wake them up a bit in theory it should help them right that's always been the story about the phase guys is like we need the stage to click in right because the bright lights are on you're back where you want to be you're back in that environment right whereas but they're in the hotel room again and I'm not using that as an excuse for their poor performances before that um
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But I just think for FaZe, it's like about hitting that gear, right? And that's the problem. That's why it's tough to ever rule this team out is because if they all do wake up on the right side of the bed, Karrigan's flowing and making the right calls and the players are hitting the shots. As fucking cliche as bullshit, it sounds like I'm doing some... They play their game. Yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But realistically, the ability of the team, it hasn't gone anywhere, right? Reign hasn't wilted at all. He continues to be a powerhouse, right? We saw that.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But that's where it matters the most.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
So, like, fuck the rest of the year. He can show up like he does and then, you know, you get a less moody Rops and you get a...
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And you're off to the races. It's not like Kerrigan's form is really anything that you can get too upset about. For his age, his contributions, the space he makes, right? I feel like he's doing his job as you'd expect him to do it.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
yeah and i'm getting fucking amped right now but i'm still on the fence about making it like i yeah you know their matchups are going to be very very telling but that first game i feel is a must win for them to then run with some confidence and like if they draw liquid in any match fucking kagan's got them under his fucking thumb mate so that there's a win right there so you know you start looking at some of these it's not as impossible as that first match they're like i've turned around on wildcard if you're watching them through this is like that's a dangerous one that best of one against wildcard is a
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
oh for sure I think so too especially well actually you only get 24 hours worth of prep you only have today yeah it's not like before where it was a week oh you had a week before
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
There was no dramas. Did all the things I had to do. Watched all the games. And then now today is another day off. And I'm like, what am I doing? Like, you know, I'm kind of like in this fucking weird twilight zone.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I wonder what happened with Meta's port, right? It must have been just a personal thing, because, like...
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I don't care 3D Max 3D Max MIBR I don't think either of those teams will make it no I think none of those four teams at the bottom of this schedule you said you were going to put 3D Max 0-3 I don't know because they play MIBR you know like that's the thing but if they if they were playing let's say that they were just for argument's sake let's say they were playing Vitality first round you would put them 0-3 then
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Tear out the town. Absolutely. No, I just thought that was funny. It is funny. But no, monarchy is the biggest concern for G2 coming into this because it was formed during the RMR.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Are we sleeping on MIBR slash pain? Maybe more pain than MIBR. I don't think we're sleeping on Furia.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
But Cowers was fucking sick for pain. Some of his shots, wild.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Maybe he's just flourished, Jason.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
yeah yeah basically but like i think i think he's i think he's their best win condition they might make it to 2-2 i reckon they can make it to 2-2 sure whether they make it to playoffs or not i don't know i don't think so but i reckon they can make it to 2-2 and i don't even know if it's just going to be because of best of ones like i think if i put pain up against gamer legion i think that's probably pain um because pain up against 3d max the big one is pain versus mibr that's probably going to happen i'd actually like to see that
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
i'm with you though mibr weren't the like obviously their own fly quest don't get me wrong yeah people in the comments haha they owned your team they're not my team um they hate me actually yeah that's fine i mean battered by the mongols battered by passion close victory over rare adam played mirage which they had an 18 win rate against passion i don't know what the fuck they were thinking happened in that best of one
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yes, it didn't pan out.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, no, I don't know. MIBR's map pool I think is weak. I don't think Payne's is weak. I think MIBR's is weak. But if it is a domestic between the two of them, then yeah, the conversation changes.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
How often do you get your room cleaned?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Okay. Did they change the sheets?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I hate how you think.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Okay. That's when I get in. Yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I knew that mine weren't because they had a fucking stain on the water. And I didn't put the stain there.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I'm surprised that we don't have... Your bed's at home. So you've got mattress. What do you have on the mattress?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
No, no. Just like, like just told me, I don't want to, I don't want to take your brain. Just tell me. So you have your mattress. It's probably on your bed frame.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Okay. So you have nothing on top of the mattress?
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Okay. Okay. So then you have a fitted sheet.
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Because that is kind of where I was going with it, the extra thin sheet. Yeah, I don't use that. Hotels I thought always had.
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Yeah, well, that's my point.
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Don't they always have it? Yeah, okay, so I'm not crazy. At home, I don't.
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Yeah, making the bed become so much more difficult.
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Yeah, but I'm renting my place, so I have like a pillow top and I have a mattress. Do you have throw pillows?
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no yeah jason i live alone i haven't but you never worry about that your your apartment has a womanly touch to it it does yeah it's the only reason so i thought maybe there'd be some throw pillows now 95 of the time of my life i'm alone staring into the abyss crying in the shower uh i just put on a brave face for when we come outside and on that note thanks everyone for watching a great elimination stage oh dear well yeah are we done
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Do we have anything else we need to say? No, I feel like we're forgetting something. It feels like something big happened that we're not talking about.
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Did we nail anything?
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I am surprised that was all four Swedes. But at the same time, like, I don't know who everybody else voted.
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No, me either. We only were allowed to vote for three, right? Right. Was it three? Three, I think, yeah. I think three.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
And I only voted for one of those four.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Actually, no. Maybe it was five. That we were allowed to vote for, but it was like a point scale or something.
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Oh, yeah. You're right. Yeah. I don't know. I just know that I tried to... I believe... I don't know who else voted for Solo, but it couldn't have just been me.
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Well, yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, regionally speaking, who else am I going for? I'm picking an Australian or something. I had to pick somebody from a region that actually did something. Vote for yourself.
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All right. Well, I guess that's it. Goodbye, everybody.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
That's not bad. Yeah, that's not bad at all. Not bad whatsoever. Yeah, no, we do have this Red Bull thing today to keep us a little bit busy. We're going to go check that out. For some unknown reason, Red Bull have decided to set something up in our hotel so that we can watch the premiere.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
It is. Which is at 2 p.m. Right now we're recording. It's probably just past 12 or whatever. So we're going to go check that out in a couple of hours.
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Is she staying in the hotel?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
wow okay well i have that power i have that power is the law it's not just on the post but she's only i think she leaves today like but she was essentially doing the host role of that that henry did in the first one yeah yeah so we'll check that out so that's all that the first one was really good First one was nice, yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Obviously. That's kind of where it ended. And Liquid will be in there. The next one Tom does will be about the downfall of Astralis, right? That'll be a fun one. That'll round out the trilogy.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Yeah, just all the politics on the back end. That'll be great fun.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Oh, none. I really find it all funny. I love riling people up when it comes to politics and stuff I don't care about whatsoever. So I like just saying ignorant things about... You just throw out the buzzwords and try and string them together. Yeah, because I really couldn't care less.
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Pretty much. I don't know how I'd go reading a teleprompter. I've never tried that before, but I think I'd give it a go.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
I think just make sure you don't do what Trace does, which is have it off-center of the camera. It's quite clear that you're looking to one side.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Just make sure it's like a proper teleprompter and you're probably going to be okay with it. Jason, have you had sufficient coffee?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Okay, so you're ready for this. Yeah.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
You had a bit of a tough time during the RMOs, didn't you, mate?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
There was a lot of...
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Now, I just want the record to show for the people at home that I believe Jason's bitching and moaning about the schedule has really... And you also know the other layer to this.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
What's the other layer?
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
That's a good point. Well, that was the right decision, by the looks of it. Now, I'm glad that I got to raw Jason out.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, and then that was the typical.
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Episode 117: Shanghai Major Opening Stage and the Top 16 teams at the Major
Well, that's been added to the dictionary, I believe. It's the word of 2024. Has it really? I'm not sure which dictionary. It could be Oxford. But yeah, it has been added to a dictionary as word of 2024. So what were the teams at Korean Barbecue?
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difference with like when i did the afternoon well it's not an afternoon shift just the late late morning shift uh was there's no waiting around with the games whereas like because they said initially this is china not pgl so that they were going to be doing a rolling schedule but their rolling schedule is it starts on time and if the game is late we try and start as quickly as possible possible so another miscommunication so just a schedule just a schedule um so like you there was no waiting around or there's no waiting around in the mornings other than
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I think, I think it's gotta be, it's gotta be the, well, you have the combination. It's the ROPS leaving FaZe and Alige going into FaZe. I think it's probably the most exciting one out there. And that can tie in easily to ROPS going to Vitality. Okay.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Uh, I think, I think, well, I think it's just exciting. It has the most high profile players involved in it with Spinks going with Spinks dropping out of Vitality, Rops going to Vitality, Alige going to FaZe. I think that's the most high profile move that we've had at the moment. Yeah, but tell us, Jason, why are you liking this? Let's just stick with it. Let's go with FaZe.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I like it for a couple reasons. I like one, coming in, I think, first of all, with Ropz departing, I think that's going to give Frozen a little bit more space to play situations more akin to how he did in Maus towards the end of his tenure there, being alive a little bit more in the late round, being able to pick and choose a little bit more battles.
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I think that gives him space to be patient on the map, on the T-sides especially. I think it creates an interesting conversation about how you want to utilize a liege, especially on the T sides. Do you want to pair them up with Kerrigan, who's going to be the crazy space taker that's going to create the opportunities for a liege to follow up on?
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If you do that, do you want to split up Reign away from Kerrigan, who's been doing that for a while? Do you want to break up that experience, put Reign on a solo side? Do you want to put a Liege on the solo portion of the map and let him stay away from the pack and kind of pick and choose his battles?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Are you going to mix it up and do it from time to time and bring him in sometimes, maybe put Broki on an isolated side with the AWP and have a three rifler core taking map control? I think it creates a lot of options. And then on top of that, I think someone like Kerrigan who likes loose play calling
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I think it's going to be relatively easy for for a leash to kind of slide into that and slot into that and play off his intuition. And then I just think in terms of the conversation around Alicia, I've said this a number of times. I think that's a player that I feel with his skill should be going down as one of the best players, most talented and best players we've had in Counter-Strike.
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And just due to being in the North American region, hasn't been able to show that off nearly as much and build that resume.
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So I think it's going to be cool to see him actually with that chance of being surrounded by four players that, in his mind, perhaps for the first, maybe second time in his career, he can look down the line of his team and have complete faith that everyone is up to par and is up to the expectations that he's going to hold them to. So I think it's a really cool move for a bunch of reasons.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
He's got a good point. He's got a good point. We haven't done a Space Jam spoof in Counter-Strike quite yet.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I think the Alige move gives him like some flexibility too. I'll touch on a couple of things because you said maybe the first time that he's probably been able to look down the line and have that confidence. There's some truth in that.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I know like even during the 2019 Liquid Grand Slam run, I know even for those players on that team, we're just kind of like we don't really know necessarily that we did anything to make our team elevate to the next level. That was just like a stretch in time where all five players were just like incredible.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And that's how I know some of those players from that team look back on it. It's like we weren't this dominant team because of something that we unlocked. We just all peaked at the same moment and became unplayable for those two months. Also, one thing I think that could be interesting too, I don't necessarily know if they'll go down this road.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I don't necessarily think they will, but I think the option's there because I've always had this...
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
this idea with the leash when I was in liquid and I never built up I think like the credibility within the team to make this kind of a of a striking change I had an idea for a while that I think a leash could have been much better in much more impactful and much more useful in more lurky roles roles that would be passive to start rounds which seems crazy because he's just kind of up for like opener of the year he had an incredible incredible year doing like the opening dirty work and
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But he is a player that knows the game so well that if you give him that passive start and give him the mid-round and the late-round to pick and choose his fight and be alive and prioritize him for the late-round, he has a really good understanding of when he can have a targeted move to make to really impact the round.
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If you make it so he doesn't have to find an opening play within all the chaos, within all the utility, I've always thought that if you could position him in the mid-round, he could find you those really impactful frags and that really impactful play that turns rounds in your favor.
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So I don't know if Kerrigan or FaZe or even if Elish would ever want to do something like that, but I think there's options, like kind of how I mentioned, where you can have that kind of space-taking core of Reign, Kerrigan, and Alige as riflers if you want to do a certain style and have Brokey off to a side with an AWP or even with you supporting you.
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Or you can put Alige off to the side and give him that kind of patience in the early going while you take space for him to say, if I feel like I have a 1v1 at this bomb site, I can go challenge for it. Or you can obviously have him paired up with Kerrigan and Brokey in the space taking and have Reign off on his own.
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So there's a lot of versatility that FaZe can get into with this kind of a move that I think is really, really interesting.
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Which douchebag was that?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Who would be the guy who got picked over Jordan on the varsity high school team that just got called out and reamed out in his Hall of Fame speech? Who would be that guy? That's what I want to know. Just live in his life. He's done nothing wrong. All he did was make the varsity team over Jordan, and he just gets wrecked throughout his entire life.
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Yeah, it would be blue. That one time. It would be blue, that one time. He took a pro league over me. He's done. We got him. All right, good call. Do you think we could tell the – have we ever told the blue fall in the pool story before? I have to think we have. Like, surely the statute of limitations has come off that one. We can tell it again, though. It is one of my favorite.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Bro, I feel like this team could have a really powerful honeymoon period. I think of all the teams coming into the next year, this FaZe team, if you look at Kerrigan's teams, of what he's done when he's brought new rosters together and brought new players in, the honeymoon period for this FaZe lineup with Alige could be scary for those first two months. They could be hella good.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And then the question comes, what's the drop-off? And, yeah, there does need to be a balance between those two different styles of calling, and I think it probably, especially considering the year FaZe had, I'm sure, like, across the year, it was very up and down, right?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Like, a lot of frustrations building up, go through a stretch where everyone's communicating and Kerrigan doesn't need to be as much of a micromanager. Then he steps in when he's feeling it, and maybe things are going a little bit well, and maybe, you know, I think finding that balance is, I think, going to be... I think it'll be easier with Alij.
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I think he's helpful in terms of being able to pass on what kind of plays he likes to make and giving ideas of how to build things around the plays he likes to make. So, yeah, it'll be a process, but I think it's going to be cool. I think the only thing is, like, let's not get – this is one of those teams where I'm going to be like –
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And with that honeymoon period, I'm going to be like, I don't want to judge them based off the first two months. You know, I think the real judgment of this team is going to come in for four months in when we start seeing them hit some adversity in a wall.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And that'll be the question for a phase team over the past years that's always been known for being really hard to put away, impossible to put away. This team always believes in a comeback. What happens if they go down, if they're down 12 to six on a map, 12 to five in a map? Is that is as a leash coming in going to be able to keep that mentality strong?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
or is he going to be a deteriorating factor of the mentality to allow those comebacks to happen? Are they still going to have that comeback factor in them?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see how that dynamic plays out, I think, when they get into some tough games.
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It was the first spring break pro league in Dallas. I feel like that was 17.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
what a time anyways we uh... we had a great time at the event uh... throw that you saw through a nice little after party a uh... texas barbecue buffet around the pool area uh... logistically speaking it wasn't the the easiest space management so the food was pressed right up next to the pool And Blue gets himself a big plate of barbecue. He's got cornbread. He's got ribs. He's got brisket.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
If I remember correctly, they weren't even like initiating conversations. Twist was kind of like, yeah, they haven't even really reached out to me about the contract. Like, so I'm just here.
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That's wild. The ROPS one would be curious because I think the twist one I'm with you is completely egregious. The ROPS one would be interesting considering the year they had when exactly he started mentally making the decision that he was going to leave.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Because, you know, if it happens, if he doesn't make that decision until like July or August or something like that, that he wants to get out, then there's almost like no chance you're going to be able to re-sign him to a contract at that point. But that's also to your point of you should have started this process with a year left in the contract or a year and a half left in the contract.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I wonder, though, like, with the Major being right around the corner at that point, you know, I think that's a tough place to be in, is do you keep this roster that, you know, has an outside chance of winning the Major, as we saw, almost made it all the way to the end, three-mapper in the grand final, or do you just try and get rid of them then and see what happens with the new player coming in?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
He's got pulled pork. He's got everything on his plate ready to rock and roll. And he's looking so excited. And he's stepping away from the table after loading it up with cornbread and takes one step backwards into the pool and falls with an entire plate of barbecue. into the water in front of all the players, in front of all the ESL execs, in front of all the production staff.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Would you rather have a world where Rob stays? Rain is out for a leash?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I think there's a lot of bad, because I was also just thinking about the- But let's say Ropz goes in and says, I want more firepower, and they bring Elysian for rain. Does that give him the firepower?
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There's cornbread floating in the pool. There's a fork sinking to the bottom of the pool. There's ribs just kind of drifting away. He's got his brand new iPhone 9 in his pocket. He's got his brand new Yeezys on. He's got his brand new Gucci belt on, dropped into this chlorine-infested barbecue pool. Oh, and it was so funny. Everyone pointed and laughed. Nobody swam, though.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I think really, like I remember one of the problems or one of the things we talked about with Vitality across 2024 was sort of like finding out who that second voice was going to be, like who was going to be the second player on the team kind of directing them. And it felt like Mezzi never really stepped into it the way we thought he would.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
He was like kind of the new player, as you said, former IGL, who we thought would take up that role. if it never felt like it came to fruition. I don't see Rops as super vocal to take that position either, but you'd think if he's going to be on those passive kind of extremity lurk positions, he's kind of the guy reading the other side of the map away from the action.
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So he's going to have the knowledge to be able to direct them and call out what he's seeing and what he's noticing and how he's reading the map and when he's going to make his play and his timing of all those things. But do they have that second voice established yet to help them with the mid-round decision of changing things up out of the initial call out of Apex? I think that's still a question.
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It's exactly what Rops was looking for.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And there's a lot of factors to that too, right? It's like we've seen like with all the international lineups kind of coming together, you see more teams kind of playing standard defaults and really like the openings have been really homogenized in terms of utility usage. Those regional styles have kind of, you know, the differences between how different regions play have gone away.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, and MR12 has made it closer. Pistol rounds and economy have made it easier to come back and easier to keep things close. And yeah, the details are going to be like that impact round of the big clutch or breaking the smoke and getting two kills on a critical round. That's where the game changes now.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I think it's interesting, though, like, with the ROPS statement that he made, I wonder how many players are kind of feeling this right now. Like, when ROPS comes out and says, or we hear ROPS say, you know, I want to go to a team with more firepower, it almost feels like that's where players think that this game is headed at the moment, to where...
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
It's not going to be a heavily tactic-driven meta. Utility usage is always important, but it's not going to be the driving force the way it was during Astralis' dominant run because everyone's got good enough. It feels like there's some players right now who think that the main key in Counter-Strike moving forward is going to be straight-up firepower and the talent and skill on a roster.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Who's he joining Mouz for? Well, I mean, if Jimmy ends up leaving, that's still out there. Apparently Jimmy's not leaving. He's not leaving at all. Well, where would he go? Where would Jimmy go? I guess, well, I don't know. I guess, well, he was linked to Vitality. Obviously, that's not happening. Falcons was the next one he was linked to. But he's not going because Monis is not going.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I mean, credit to him, he had the best position to be in as a player, where you're fielding offers from two other teams, a giant org and a team that's already in the top five, and then you're already on a team that's in the top five, so you're just sitting there and you're like, I have good decisions everywhere I look. So go shopping, and obviously he's fallen back.
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Here's the rules for direct VRS invites is rosters are only able to participate in a tournament based on direct VRS if at least three of the athletes on the participating roster were also present on the roster on the invite date.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Shut up, Jason. Ain't nobody scared of that guy right now.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
That's not a bad way for heroic to kind of rebuild and just kind of stabilize with that sort of a roster, considering what they're about to go through. That's not, they got enough money.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Or they can negotiate with Falcons to say, Hey, like give us, you think if you're selling nerds and you're selling three players to Falcons, you'll have, you'll have some cash to throw out there.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Dude, I was going to say, this is like deja vu to them putting the roster together of coming in and being like, these guys will get a chance to prove their worth, cutting the whole lineup, bringing in the core of ENCE for a temporary situation to get to the major. That obviously turns out to be shit. And then we're turning the new year. We've got the reform.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
It's better than the alternative, though.
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What is the alternative?
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Worked pretty good for Na'Vi.
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Which is also, by the way, the worst mentality to go into a new lineup and roster with. I just want to say get a hypnotist. That's an insane concession to make.
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Yeah, but this is again where it's deja vu. And I'm not challenging or contesting any point.
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I'm just looking at it from a different angle where my frustration with this Falcons project is we just had a Falcons team where they came out and said, yep, we all knew that changes were going to be made back in the spring, but we had to play out an entire season to the end of our elimination at the Shanghai Major to make those changes, but everyone knew they were happening.
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Everyone knew this was a dead team. And now what do you do off the back of that? You turn around – And you put yourself in the exact same situation. And it's like, what are, what are we, what are we doing? What are we fucking doing?
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Yeah, it is. I have about six of these. I'm going to replenish a few more right now. Is that a one dyke cup?
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And this is why I brought up the point at the major of like, this is going to be Nico's best chance to win a major for a while is now we've put ourselves in a situation. Like, what are they going to look like in Austin? They're not going to have a good chance and opportunity there.
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to win the major unless something miraculous happens in the first four months and we see some crazy form and then they're going to make a change and we're going to go to the second major of the year who knows what they're going to look like and then all of a sudden you know Nico's just wasted a year where he can't even actually compete for this major trophy So I don't know.
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This whole Falcons thing is just a hot fucking mess over the past 24 months.
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You bring those back to the U.S.?
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Yeah, they're just like reusable coffee shops throughout the city. So I've got like three of these tall green ones. I've got like four of the small brown ones. I've got like three of the green espresso shots. They're perfect, honestly.
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I'd probably play for ten more years. He better find Jesus. He better find a mental coach. He better practice meditation, breathing exercise. This is going to be one of those years, I think, that Niko's mental game is going to have to be way better than his actual game inside the server.
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I don't think they're going to be bad, but the situation he's going into is like an insanely insane situation.
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We have similar opinions on Dexter, where it's like he's going to be great in certain moments, but his positioning and decision-making at certain times is like a real head-scratcher. And I think Niko being dead, having to watch that, I think there's going to be a couple times where he's going to want to blow his brains out.
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No, I feel like the number of reuses that I've had of these cups has brought back their recycling value. I think I've done my job of making this cup get its plastic floor.
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Well, it's also, there's probably a point in this process where Niko was looking at it and he was like, fucking sweet. I'm about to join a team with Magisk, Monacy, and fucking Jimmy's going to come over. And now you're looking at the complete other end of the spectrum, right? Like at some point, he's going to be thinking about the team he could have had.
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Here's a question for you. Again, if we're going to go down this trend of assuming that all the rumors we hear are just going to be accurate so we can chat about them. G2 potentially grabbing Heavy God. I think it's great. That G2 lineup looks better than this new Falcons roster for sure.
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that was going to be my question is it's really interesting cuz have you got switched to a few more acre roles in cloud nine versus the more rotate the active rules that he had previously so where how exactly you want to buy ct sites now yeah he obviously can mount really well as an anchor i think of the major yeah mobs did it also so i mean those guys could even pick and choose some maps where they enjoy anchoring or don't enjoy anchoring and kind of switch up the duties a little bit if they really want to uh... but yeah i'm with you i think this is a sweet move as well uh... i think this this kind of although
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Even especially if you think the Spinks pick up into Hunter's position. I think one thing this move does...
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I think now I look at that, and while I've never been super high on the snacks hate, I think it does shift some focus of, you know, you're losing Nico, who was a decent, I don't know how to classify it, a good IGL when we've seen him pick it up in rare moments, especially recently, but also an important second voice in the team.
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And now that you don't have that, I feel like it puts a little bit more as if there could be more pressure on snacks as the IGL to make this team actually work and function.
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It's pretty loud. But keep going. It's funny now.
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Yeah, I think the baby dropped something right above me. All right.
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And they just launch them all. Oh, they couldn't see any of them.
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We haven't gotten there yet. I want to say one thing about heavy God either too. I think, cause I think like one thing I feel like at the major, I saw like really good CT sides and really weak T sides out of him. But I learned that most too.
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I think the calling of cloud nine, I thought the cloud nine offense in the major was so atrocious that I actually think heavy God's going to, I think heavy God's going to do a good job on the T side when he gets into, when he switches over those sides, I think we'll see a different level out of him for G2, but I think this G2 looks way, way better than this new Falcons for sure.
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Is that a compliment? I don't know. Does it mean I always look wrecked or does it mean I just always look put together?
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It hasn't even looked like it's on the right path at any point. it's a shame that you want to talk about how brutal this industry can be. And I think the gambit pickup for cloud nine was amazing rewarded with the win in Dallas. And then, you know, when that kind of sort of comes to its end, the pickup of bringing electronic and perfecto in on paper was like, this is fucking incredible.
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That blew up and fell apart. It's like, it feels like they've made some really smart and wise and correct decisions in the moment. And then it's all just gone the other direction. None of it's actually lived up to how good it should have been.
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No, he still seems like he's got that fucking fire, that young gun, grindy mindset.
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I mean, if you want to talk about it, I mean, if you want to talk about what's it going to take for him to say, like, this is the lineup I want to stay in, obviously it's going to have to be Maul stepping into more of Niko's roles and performing admirably in them, you know, inside the server. doing good in his anchor roles and picking up his game on the tee side now that he's within a new team.
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I think the two questions are going to be, do you want to build a team that's a little bit more constructed like the previous roster was, where there's a lot of individual freedom and ability to make those individual decisions, in which case I think the upgrade you'd kind of want to look towards is if Hunter's not living up to things early on is upgrading that position.
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And the other one is if you want to bring in a little bit more tactical thing, the move you want to look at is more your snacks, upgrade your IGL if the opportunity presents itself, or upgrade your coach if you want to bring in someone more tactically minded.
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So I think it just depends on the way that, you know, after the first few months of playing together, they decide, is this going to be a team that's geared more towards kind of the improv individual default-y style, or is this going to be a team that needs a little bit more structure and a little bit more tactics to it? And that kind of points where G2 would want to upgrade, you know,
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I would say let's take the likelihood of it happening...
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FaZe? FaZe would be one if they want to go for an upgrade from Brokey.
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Oh, I fucking love it, dude.
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And it's really the emphasis on Latvian that I want to make sure everyone really keys into there. Um, yeah, no, dude, I love it. I think obviously, obviously you kinder kind of ran its course and no matter how much he provides outside the game, the, the, the inside, the server performances weren't, weren't there to match up with it.
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And even that major run looked like they limped into the playoffs and no real, no real sense that they were going to be able to do any damage in the playoffs itself. So that one all makes sense. And we kind of seen that one come in the writing's been on the wall. I love bringing nerds in.
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Someone who can be aggressive and open things up and someone who can play similar roles as you kinder probably do it more effectively. And I think also maybe take approaches to some of his roles a little bit more intelligently in terms of when he picks and chooses to make his play or his battle or wait for a trade.
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But I think also he's got a lot of versatility to him to where he can also be someone that kind of.
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solo solo sort of lurks on a map until he decides he wants to get aggressive so he's got the ability to switch up and do some things not that they need any more passive players but i think you look at what he did for heroic you look at what he did for for ends when he was previously in that roster and i think this is a guy that perfectly just kind of slides into this team liquid roster i think there's still going to be some things they have to to work up and brush up on uh in other areas of the map to improve
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but I think Nertz immediately is a crazy firepower upgrade and someone who can give you some magic moments. So I think this is an awesome pickup for Team Liquid and should have them battling for a spot in the top five, I'd say.
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Can we start over? Can we change the system from the ground up, really?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I do actually think this Liquid team is going to need one roster change before I can actually think that there'll be a team that can contend for trophies. I don't know what it would be, but I think with the Nerts acquisition coming in, I think the system should be something along the lines of Nerts and Twist kind of being a duo that are active and aggressive together to open up parts of the map.
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Like those two guys supported by either NAF or supported by either Ultimate with the AWP should be taken kind of the space-taking core in those additional gambits to take parts of the map on the T side. I think the question always is, I don't think Twist is necessarily a passive player.
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I think maybe looking like it and painted with that brush due to the fact that he's in-game leaning, I think he's probably a little bit more passive than he's used to because he's focused on making sure the team is operating the way he needs to and having to be a little bit micromanaging heavy.
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So I think that'll probably be some work that Mither has to do of get him more comfortable calling tactics and get the rest of the team to a point where he doesn't have to micromanage the thing he calls directly so that he can actually be involved in the game like he was early on in his in-game leading when they had their little honeymoon period.
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I think obviously Ultimate's a pretty aggressive playmaking AWPer as well. There can be some rounds where he's paired up with Nertz, but more than anything, I think you're going to want two things.
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I think you're going to want Nertz as part of that initial pack to make the opening gambit, and then I think you can have him away from action to be kind of an aggressive lurk to where someone like NAF and someone like JKS I would consider more passive lurking. I think Nertz can kind of change up and change that style a little bit and be like your aggressive lurk to disrupt rotations.
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So I think there's some options, but it's clear that Liquid, I think this is a good first step to improving, but there's a lot of things this Liquid team needs to get better at before they're contending for trophies.
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Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. You sniffing your desk. I had to clean something out of my keyboard. No, I had to clean something out of the keyboard. Fuck.
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They were doing a lot for Jekinder to try and hide the deficiencies of his individual game at the major.
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I know. Well, yeah, maybe there's probably a little bit of that. I think you could look at it, but, or I think you could look at it both ways.
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Cause when I see that, I'm like, I think your kinder, when I've seen him in those positions over the past year and when he's been in this slump, I feel like he's, he's really, I think his decision-making has leaned towards making the play and trying to find the kill in situations where you don't necessarily like in your example of crossing over to secret on some point, it's, it's,
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just as important to hold on to the access of secrets so that the lower bombsite is a danger, yeah, than to go get the kill. But I think Yekinder's decision-making was always, let me go try and get this kill. And then they would not only lose the fight and then lose the control and then the map shrinks and then your options shrink. And I think that was them hiding the deficiency.
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But yeah, also probably putting him in a situation where his talents can be used more appropriately. So I think there were some intelligent moves they did.
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I think the real idea of like hiding the deficiency, I noticed on the CT side, we talked about this a bunch, in my opinion, like this whole, that whole defensive game plan they had where it was like, let's use your kinder like an opera almost where we'll have them at every part of the map where we want him to push and be aggressive at a certain timing.
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Like anywhere we put Jekinder, at some point we're going to activate him for an aggressive push to go get information, to go get into a fight. And I felt like that was more hiding deficiencies where him playing passive in his roles and still making decisions to go for fights in different areas.
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They were just kind of like, you know what, let's just use you as someone that we want to go find a fight. And I think it's hard to make that work.
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Said that about the previous lineup, though, as well. Remember when it came together? We were just like, this team should not have problems on CT side. True. Lo and behold.
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His style, I think, doesn't really, obviously doesn't work if you're not individually on point. And I think the meta, when he breaks out, it was during a meta change in the online era. And I think right now there's another meta shift that's kind of taken away some of his strength. And obviously also just so much fucking talent across the board. It's going to be hard to have that success.
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Maybe he should take this time and just kind of... What if he spends the next three months practicing six inches away from his monitor? What if he just decides, I don't need to... I like that.
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I haven't heard a rumor about where they might go, to be honest.
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Of the Ents breakup.
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He likes a good first nominee.
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Yeah.
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Well, also, I think what an ultimate becomes, what JKS can kind of work in these next few months, I also think there's going to be a question of twist. Does he want to stay on this in-game leader track?
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Obviously, he's going to do it now, but I think these next three, four months for him are going to be huge if this is something he wants to commit to, which, I mean, he already has committed to it, but if he wants to stick to it long-term... Depends on who becomes available, though, right? Or if the next pickup is going to be an in-game leader when they have the opportunity.
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Yep, that's it.
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Why would he, why would, I don't think he'd want to do that, but he could do it. He could go over there. I don't know. They need someone.
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I don't know. I don't know what complexity is going to do. Norbert and Jakindar.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I guess there's a few odd bips and bobs that aren't obviously the biggest deal in the world of roster changes that we've already discussed.
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VP minus... It's kind of small. VP minus Norbert, minus Jayme, plus Flammas, plus Icy.
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I'll take the hangover lies, but I was driving that pro-Yakinder train. You were driving or drunk, Jason?
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oh my god it gives us a countdown too it's like uh it's like it feels exactly like a live show it's we're live to the world producer yeah that's crazy sorry to get you out of bed an hour early jason No, it's cool. That was just maths done poorly a couple days ago. But the nice thing was I had set my alarm for like 6.45 anyways, so I was kind of prepared. Kind of prepared.
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What do we... I guess... It's going to be better than the old VP. Electronic Flame... Or Fame Flip... flamus electronic fame flit flamus and icy well jason so amcal chases you around the world you have to deal with icy until the day you die icy was the bright spot of that amcal team i can handle it okay i can handle him well if that was but does this mean electronics the igl
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I thought you said Colts. I don't know why I thought that. You said the same word.
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It's very subtle. I'm not trying to stitch anybody up here. I just thought you said a different word. That's all this is.
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I like it. Yeah. Just being sent out into the world to destroy other teams, join them.
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I mean, realistically, this could be a really exciting team to watch play. Do you want to cheer for them, Jason? I'm not going to cheer for them, but... You're going to stop hating on them? I have the opportunity now to open up my heart and see what this new Virtus.pro is going to look like.
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Yeah. All right. More of the bits and bobs. We touched on Hooksey. Is there any place that seems likely that he could try and get to in the early going of next year? I don't necessarily see it. Fanatic.
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I compost myself, having a garden that I transition the compost to come the spring.
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What about if... Yeah, go, Jason. I was going to say, what if we just keep building this idea of Heroic getting all these kind of like cool name leftovers? If they have Shush, if they find a way to get Spinks over, maybe you bring in some Pius, maybe you bring in Hooksy, and then all of a sudden you're kind of landing with a team of experience that's being put together.
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And Madden might have something to it. The only problem...
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Yeah, but if you're heroic and you're already agreeing to potentially lose Nertz and sell him to Liquid and sell Tess's Dexter and Kikson, you've already kind of made the decision that the money that you bring in from those is worth having to start over at the bottom.
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Well, in some ways, Yanko, all we do is eat compost. Everything you eat is compostable, except for the meat, really. Don't compost the meat, at least if you're going to use it in areas that are for vegetable gardens. You don't want to add meat into there. You can do it for the flour, the flours. Okay. Not for garden. Why, Jason?
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Oh, man. They're, yeah. I don't really, I don't know. They haven't announced where they're going yet either. It hasn't come out who they're looking at it in any way either. I think it's just that they've announced the drops.
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Yep, I give it... I mean, yeah. I think you wait a little bit longer and you see if you can just get plugged in for the first part of the year. I feel like that's what's... You're in no rush if you're Kaiosuke at all. It's only 16, so yeah.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, but if you have the opportunity... If your opportunity is like... I mean, I don't know what his opportunity is now. Sure, if a Vitality or a G2 come knocking, maybe you got to think about it. But I mean, you're thinking...
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, because typically meat carries parasites and bacteria that you don't want growing into the food that you're going to consume.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
If I go somewhere now, maybe I don't get onto a great team and I have to spend the next, you know, two, three years with a contract on a team that isn't necessarily going anywhere, and that's a risk. But if I stick around, maybe Spirit, I mean, they were probably on the verge of making a change at some point during the year.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
The conversation certainly probably happened, and you're thinking, you know, if they don't kind of live up to the hype of winning the major and there's still some struggles to start the next year, I can get plugged in pretty quick. And I think if you're Spirit, you should have that mindset too, is if we have struggles, we have this young guy who's already shown talent.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And let's play for talent above all else.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I think that's probably what happens as well.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, you'd like to keep that away.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I think you do whatever you can to keep Kaiosuke in the Spirit umbrella, and then you just wait for the moment to throw him in.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Well, Christmas just happened, so I think everyone would have gotten something new.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
That's a really good question. I'm at the point in life where everything I would gift just gets given to my daughter. So she got like a little remote-controlled car that drives around the house that you can attach a mop to. So as she's riding her little car around the house, she's cleaning the floors at the same time.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I mean, honestly, if I'm a player, I'm probably thinking winning the major is my number one priority. Probably team of the year after that would be pretty big, and then it would be MVP of the major, and then it would be player of the year.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
It's funny, too, because I know when I was coaching Liquid, I know, Yanko, you mentioned this in your coaching phase. And, Chad, when you were playing, I'm sure it was the conversation around, like, player of the year, top 20 players, you know, where you fall in this NHL TV awards, like, by role.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
All of that stuff with your auto team, you're so tunnel visioned on your team that you don't even really notice those conversations all that much. Like, you don't pay any attention to it. It's not even in, like, your kind of orbit. You know, at least it wasn't in mind of, you know, where a team would be at or where a player would be at in those kinds of rankings and those end-of-the-year things.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Like, everything is just focused on the next tournament. So this is all just background noise. It's fun stuff for the community and for us as pundits to get a chat about, but players, for the most part, I don't think have this in the back of their mind whatsoever.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Exactly. I get nothing. I did get a bottle of booze.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I hope it didn't go to her. No, the booze stays with me.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I got a nice bottle of bourbon. Composting in my gut, yeah.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I actually, I found it funny, the amount of people, I think it was Maui who was going hard on like a leash being only, what was he, 19th or something like that? And then Maui went and did his own list and like shifted him up to like 17. And I was like, you made like a big... And this isn't even a bash on – this isn't meant to be a bash on Maui.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I think putting together a top 20 list is always going to be hard. And when you actually try and do it and create some criteria that you have to stick to for all 20 players, you know, it gets a little bit dicey as you go deeper into things. So, yeah, I think every – Every person just has a different set of criteria that are more important when creating lists like this.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And HLT have their own criteria. Thorne would have his own criteria. Maui's going to have his own criteria. We would have our own criteria. So every list is going to have those changes based off where the importance lies in your own head of what's good for Counter-Strike. And that's the fun, is the debate of those factors of a player's game, not who is number 15, who is 14, who is 9.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
At least to me. At least to me. Well, boys, we've been going for two hours to kick off this new year.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, it's getting late for you.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, I'm going to go get breakfast.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I have to hit the end button.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, and he asked if I was carrying a bomb in my suitcase. That's what I'm going for.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Oh, you can say it. They don't really understand it quite yet. It depends on the tone of aggression that you put into the shut up.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I know. I expected it coming into New Year's Day. I did expect it a little bit heavier. That's all right. Yeah. Yeah, dude, they want to do shit on the road. They want the adult forks. They want to climb the chairs. Ours has given up on booster seats. Ours has given up on the high chairs. She wants to sit in the adult chairs. So that's the world I'm living in right now.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah, it is. I'm right there with a cosplay, I think. Throw a condom on my head and I'm good to go.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
I was going to say, I think we're all north of the equator.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
And a lot of other people. Well, I meant in this call, not in the fucking world altogether.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
That's what time I got in bed, 10 p.m.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
No, dude, you got a good reason, too. New Year's is the worst of the holidays. I've never really truly appreciated New Year's. It's like there's no point.
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Speaking of getting away somewhere, can we get away into some Counter-Strike talk? Because there's a lot of shit that went down. When was the first ROPS announcement? That was the day before Christmas?
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Episode 120: The Rostermania Episode- FaZe, G2, Liquid, Vitality, Falcons, Cloud9, VP all changing
Yeah. Well, one thing I've learned in Counter-Strike skits is that every skit needs a bald guy. I've been typecasted here as the bald character and everything, which makes sense. I'm just surprised that there's so many situations that require a bald man in the content that we make.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
No, I like the play. I think it's fun.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
No, I mean, honestly.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
Yes, sir. There's one coming.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
No, he is right. Well, I wasn't doubting him being right or wrong.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
Did that happen?
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
That's nice.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
How much money did you bid? If you don't mind me asking. An additional 1500. Okay.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
Yeah, but you'll be back. It'll be fine. We rebound quick.
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Episode 122: First reactions of new rosters, HLTV Awards, Updates, and VRS
He's going to warm up to it. He's going to warm up.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Sure, but first of all, I mean, yeah, in theory, they could have that approach, but then if you ever need anything, even in terms of small obligations or anything, they will tell you to fuck off. And that's the risk that Blast has. I know, but here's the thing. This is what bothers me. There's two things, and I want to hear your thoughts on the second part, Duncan.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
First of all, I think it was really shitty from Blast to post it, especially with the caption like it was.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's like... You're pointing it out, and Blast isn't the only culprit. I voiced this multiple times, even on the EPL broadcast, the stuff we were doing with Taz and making it look like you're just the cheerleader of the team. So you're painting a picture to the community that's not full and could be misleading, right?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
So in that situation, yeah, does it look a little bit bad that Zonic took a timeout and didn't immediately have an idea or say something? To be honest, I didn't go back to see after which round it was. Could be just that they lost the shitty round and he wanted the timeout for the players to just sort of relax a little bit and breathe.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
He even tweeted after the game, which I never saw from Zonic, saying he let the team down. So he probably was off on that day. And, you know, Eniko at the end just sort of stepped in when there was silence. It's like, do you... have something to say or should I call something, right? Like for the next round and that's it. And maybe he did come up with something at the end. We don't know.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Maybe he didn't, right? We didn't get the full picture. So I think it was unfair in that scenario to paint it that way. But more importantly, this is what bothers me. And here's where I want to hear your thoughts, Duncan, as well. It's like they're doing that obviously for engagement and all of that stuff. But first of all, even that particular game, It was epic.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Like, people were just watching that game. It was sick. Like, you're already getting, you know, whatever. Second thing, and this is the main point, I guess, is we have so many cool storylines already and narratives and everything. Why is there this need to fabric, you know, to sort of come up with this shit out of nowhere? Same thing happened at EPL with Emoclip.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
But now he's fucking up 7-1 or 8-1 against...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Tyloo or who were they playing and you pick out in that game the one time they're like a little bit sure chippy at each other it's like but why are we doing that like can't we just do the storytelling of the stories that are there because there's plenty of good stories plenty of great characters a shit ton of history uh with some of the team's character organizations in the game it's like it's just low-hanging fruit for me in a way
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, I understand.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
How have you been enjoying the open circuit? Sure.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
This shit with, like, oh, Falcons are complaining. Bro, everything complains about, like, some shit.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Maybe whether it's... It's just usually privately.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
That's why scrawny revealing that is actually not as shocking as people realize.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Whether it's making jokes about them, like on the broadcast, or if they feel people are too harsh or they complain about their media day schedule. And that's the job. Like I was, I was like, when I was a coach at blast specifically, I was like always having questions about shit. Right. Because like the TOS are always trying to get the most for them.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Your job as being part of a team is to protect your players, protect your team. Right. Like everyone has different interests and you're making compromises and, and that's what it is. Like, that's how you, you function in this ecosystem. But,
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
With Dana being singled out, and, you know, sure, Scrawny tweets about it, right? Then after, you know, a couple of hours, there's other orgs as well. I didn't see any fucking tweets when you had the bro drama and Astralis was, like, fucking trying to scam in a player. You know, Falcons are an org that just people love to hate on, and people hate watching them, and that's all right, you know?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
But it's a bit hypocritical to, like, pick and choose and say, oh, yeah, this is fucking terrible, this is not. Like, of course, the manager of the team is going to try to protect the coach. They're under, you know, they know that the players and the org is under a lot of pressure, right? Especially since you added Nico, everyone wants you to perform and people are just waiting for you to fail.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Even the players have expressed it in interviews, you know, that that's, they're trying to sort of, and that's why they thought Cluj helped them. They got a couple of good wins. So to relieve some of that stress, you know, so obviously you're going to do whatever you can to sort of shield the players in a way and shield your team so they could just focus on
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
on the ces i don't understand why there's like that's like such a crazy sort of thing for people as because they think it's like someone's trying to police someone's speeches like that's not what's happening and you can't do that like no to or no caster i would never sort of be like oh yeah you can't talk about our team in this way i was like well who are you you know like i always hire me
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
The only thing they get is like, okay, we just won't talk about you then. And how is that going to help your brand and your aura and everything? Like, okay, you will not be a part of any content. You will not do anything. We will talk about, you know, the other team when you play. So how are you going to gain fans and satisfy your fans? It's crazy.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
So there's that. I think just to give some context as well to people, you know, sometimes let's say you're a coach, right? And you have to understand this as well. Let's say your team is in a 3v1, right? You're about to win a round. You're thinking, okay, what's going on? And all of a sudden you lose that round that you're not supposed to, right?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
That changes your whole mental image of what's going on in the game and what's about to happen in the next round. So you see that your team, obviously the players are never going to feel great when they lose a round they're supposed to win. So, okay, you feel like I need to take a timeout here just for them to reset.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I always felt like timeouts in CS a little bit like basketball timeouts when the other team gets hot. That's one of the times.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Exactly. Right. So you do it, but then you didn't really expect that to happen. So now you're thinking you call the time out, but you're trying to sort of think, OK, what's the good decision here? What's the good call? You're sort of saying some words while you're thinking to, you know, settle down the players. Right. So they don't go into full tilt.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Maybe the in-game leader or someone has an idea of what they want to do. And yeah, sometimes maybe you draw a blank.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
No, I, I think, you know, sometimes it does happen in timeouts. Like I can say for my own example, in the Katowice major in 2019, we were in the two, two game against cloud nine and we played cash and we were up, like we had a 12, three CT side and,
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
and won the pistol and we were like up 15-4 or something and it got to 15-14 and i was like saving the you know i was using the time out slowly i was like i didn't want to players to panic and immediately start calling timeouts so i used the last time out and i called around like
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
sort of out of my that we didn't have that I felt like would work and we ended up winning that last round and sometimes it would happen in games and I even had players complain a little bit sort of at times it's like why do we call a round you know in a timeout that we don't have and we have so many rounds and I'm like I'm like listen
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
We do, but I don't think any of those rounds are going to work. They're just doing something that we haven't really seen before, or we don't have something set for that. And obviously, yeah, from that point on, you do have it. That's how you add to your stuff, and that's a part of the playbook and preparation. But it can be all kinds of things.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
ways it depends on the situation then definitely not every single timeout is going to be tactical because you tell you're telling me that when a team is down five zero and you take a timeout like oh it's gonna be all tactical like you know it's it's just a lot of this stuff is prepped like your first couple of gun rounds
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
you know, like you saw in Faze's paper from Frozen at Blast, like depending if it's a buy with 4,400, meaning without a bomb plant, whether it's with a bomb, you know, like all this shit, like you have different calls already set so that the players could be a little bit more prepared.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
You had the one recently with Blade and Alexey. Alexey, please, I'm begging you. Like, you know, that's just sometimes how it is. Sometimes maybe one of your players is a bit quiet that has to be talking a lot. And, you know, you direct a little bit more at him. Obviously, you don't want to really get into it. But depends on how... You know, it depends on the personalities of players.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think what you said, Jason, about the broadcast, there's not a better example than Duncan. Duncan is a different person on Twitter, a different person on YouTube, and a different person on the broadcast. So it's like different goals.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
yeah it's it's just the way the way the industry works you also mentioned drama duncan like we have plenty of it but what about this weak ass shit from jl man oh man isn't that a bummer bro not wanting to shake a dude's hand i can understand the one the one uh scenario in which that is justifiable for me is if a guy across from you is like personal at you absolutely he's calling out like your
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
or I don't know, family and some stupid shit like that. It's like, yeah, that guy's, you know, at best, I'm not going to shake his hand. At worst, we're going to have a few words, you know? So, but that didn't obviously happen with Zantaras, right? Like he was just like in game shooting his corpse or maybe screaming a little bit after rounds. And that's it.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's like, man, you always shake a guy's hand after a game, no matter how butt hurt you are. It's like you beat them like five times in a row before that. They came and shook your hand every single time.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Fuck. That was a crazy game, though. How Falcons managed to lose that one, man. I was like, I just, uh, I think it was only yesterday. They just, you know, I messaged Nico just to check, like if he's alive, because that's one where you're like having dark thoughts.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think I talked about this in Katowice with Virtus.pro, man. Like, these narratives, because there's teams that people just like to hate on. Virtus.pro is also one of them. And for some reason, Electronic... Oh, they did reboot last year's narrative, don't they?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And it's like, and obviously they didn't look too hot in Katowice. They still made the playoffs, by the way, which no one expected. They didn't look too hot. in that tournament, but they changed two players and an IGL. It's like, why do we give so much time to all these other teams that maybe just made one roster change or even a player in the same position for another player?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And this team who made the massive change, oh, they're dogshit. Electronic can't be a good IGL. This team is...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
terrible it's like i'm not saying they're great right now can we at least give them like a couple of tournaments and some time to practice before we can really judge them and lo and behold after some time to practice they show up here and yeah they don't make the playoffs but they look a lot better their t-sides look you know obviously they know something there's my point it's not it's not you don't bail on these teams there's something there in all these squads mate yeah
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And I think also people – but that's also our job, you know, mostly analysts. Absolutely, yeah. When you talk about these changes, it's not the same Rops coming in for Spinks and Elige coming in for Rops.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And we were making that point on the desk, and obviously they're saying it in interviews. Like, this is not – like, this is going to take us a long time. Kerrigan is saying, you know, he's just hoping by the time the Major comes around, like, that's when they have figured it all out. Even when we were on phase, when we brought in Broky and Cold, right,
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
first iteration of the first positions where brocky was the lurker and all of was the opera because it was like well all those mechanics a little bit like falling behind let's put them on the op and let's let the kid blah blah blah obviously and we even won a tournament with that sort of position uh role uh sets but then we saw okay we really need all of experience on the lurk and his space creation and blah blah blah blah blah
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
game sense, and then broke him mechanically. Let's have him play with you up a little bit. Maybe there's something there. And that was after a season, the first three or four months of the team. And then when we came into that in 2020, that's when we played our best CS. Unfortunately, then COVID happened. But sometimes you need to figure this out.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
For them, it's tough because Reign played some of those spots when we were on the same team together because Nico had the star positions, right? So then when Nico left, Kerrigan came back in, Reign started playing Yardo, Nuke, and some of these star positions, and that's when he had an uptick in performance.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
So now you're like, yeah, Reign played this before and he could do it, but you're probably going to get less output from him then. Of course. And it's already been, you know...
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could be shaky from time to time so how much do you you know like you're trying to in aggregate sort of how do you get the most out of everyone yes and that's can be tricky sometimes and players need to be able to compromise and on some map don't have their ideal spot on others they do Right. That's kind of what the G2 did with when Malves joined. He got his positions on T side.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Hunter had to change, but then Hunter got to keep his spots on CT side and Malves had to play anchor and sort of it made it kind of work. Right. Like they managed to fit it all together. And, you know, you can't. Sometimes it takes a couple of tournaments and a couple of games to really see where are we lacking.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Like maybe it's working really well on, let's say, Dust2, but maybe you feel like on Nuke, yeah, we have to put rain on yard and we have to make it so that other guys have to sort of take a hit and maybe at least, you know, you just have to play fucking door, deal with it.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's just funny seeing, like, there's one point difference, literally, between, like, Falcons and FaZe in 7 and 8. Like, there's a lot of situations where it's just... The Astralis one? One or two points. Yeah, Astralis, a point outside the Stage 2 at the moment, having to play the qualifiers. So, yeah, obviously, they'll have to tweak some stuff. I think one of the, quote-unquote, easy ones...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think the problem for FaZe was they did, you know, like the NFL team would do in a draft. They just pick the best player available from their board, right? Even if they're strong on the position,
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
it's like well you know why would we go out of our way to just make it work you know a good player is a good player and also FaZe is a team that especially with Kerrigan you know he's a big voice on that team in terms of the moves as well it's like he doesn't want a fucking young player that may struggle on the
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
big stage or anything he wants a proven competitor because you know he they're still in win now mode with yeah with this team so you're like fuck it the leash has been playing really well for complexity you know rain frozen like we'll we'll move some stuff around i'll do some sacrifices it won't be easy we'll have to figure it out but i feel like i can make it work eventually right so i i
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Just to end, what Duncan said too, they've lost to some really good teams. Eternal Fire, Spirit, Vitality, these are teams that make playoffs every single time. Sure, you have the Falcons one at Cluj, but that's also Nico having a great series. He was MVP of the tournament, and then obviously the one that stands out is the Astralis one, but that's the third place decider.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
They're not meaningless anymore, but you also have to understand for players like Carrick and
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's hard for them to mentally put themselves in that, knowing that we were here. We were the main favourites to win this. We were supposed to be in the final. Not to make excuses, but it's just a different...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
would let the players hold some of the points. Make it so that if you do make a team, Duncan, like you said, with five different players, but there are five good players who've been on good teams, sure, they don't carry each 20% of the points, but they get a penalty for changing the team.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Well, I also feel like I need to just... defend myself a little bit. When I say win now, I mean they don't have time to develop a player and wait for him. Win now means having a roster that you know is capable, but obviously now, like what we talked about, once they figure out all the positions and everything, if they can. If not, obviously they'll have to make a roster change, but...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I mean, it's tricky. And the problem here is, which can happen to some teams is, and that's why it was really important for G2 to beat the Mongols and make the playoffs.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's like sometimes, man, just like when you're not getting that one win to get to the playoffs and when you're struggling to find the results, no matter how good you look in games at times, it's like it can just start to get into the player's head and they will lose confidence. And then you might not ever be able to sort of break through. So that might be for FaZe.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And I know this can be the case firsthand. It's like sometimes when the results are lacking while you're sort of figuring stuff out, you know, it can get pretty dark where people are sort of like not feeling like hopeful or thinking, oh, man, we suck or anything. And then all of a sudden, a couple of good wins, you know, maybe a D1 or even a tournament win and they're back, right?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
But let's say if you do get five good players, they combined get maybe two-thirds or half of the points or whatever, so that at least they get...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Like, it's okay, we're the big dogs now, bring it on, you know?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Five years ago, still seems to be going strong.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
also who he beat on the way to the he beat the two teams that were beating them all year long right in vitality and and g2 but yeah i think also that's the like you watch phase for example in shanghai in the playoffs and how and their approach on the t side and how they're doing it and you're like this is beautiful Like, everything makes sense.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Like, things that they're doing early in the half set up things for them to do later on in the half. It creates room for specific players at specific timings to make moves. And then, obviously, like you pointed out earlier, those players, they need to make the moves. But when they do and people are playing on a good level, like, it's just beautiful to watch, right? That's why I think...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
there's teams that get a little bit lost in how they set up their game, right? Because, yeah, it is more individualistic and everything. But, you know, I feel like it's always cyclical. And the more things change, the more they remain the same. And you only see it really in the highest pressure moments.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
why because that's when everyone's fucking testicles shrink everyone is like oh shit well i feel like i should push here but if i do and i die i might have gotten us eliminated from the major you know i'll just fucking play it safe i'll hold my spot i'll hold my part of the map and that's not how you end up winning trophies um and that's why i think
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
why reason why vitality is also you know above everyone else now obviously the addition of robs from sphinx it's just crazy crazy that they could get him for free crazy that phase would lose drops and twists for free like that's just gross negligence but whatever a different conversation but it is also because when you watch them play they're just fundamentally very sound
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
They don't give you too... There's not too many openings to punish them. Utility usage is really good. And obviously, every single player on that team is playing with a ton of confidence. So they all are taking initiative. They're aggressive and taking space, putting pressure on your opponents. And there's also, of course, the element of the fear factor when you go up against them.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
they're even bigger in your eyes, right? Like you're just, oh, they might be here, they might be there. You feel like they're everywhere as if there's seven of them on the server, you know, and not five. So I think some of these other teams, like, yeah, don't have the game... The plan set up as much like, for example, maybe someone like a G2.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And it's not a condemnation, you know, on the IGL and coach. It's really just like philosophically they maybe see it a little bit different because all these teams are different. You play so many games. You always feel like you need to be changing shit all the time and have like small...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
changes and small stuff but that's why you end up lacking consistency because you're doing all these different things and at times they're not random but they're not as connected right and then for the players it's you feel like you have to do a little bit of everything and maybe lacking a little bit of confidence in some of the key moments
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Oh, fuck you.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I don't think that's... I think it's a disservice to Device to compare Shiro to him. In what way? Like, device was way more impactful as an opera than Shiro is. And he wasn't like Kenny or JW in terms of being crazy. He was very smart with his position. That's what people always said. If you want to learn how to opt, don't watch Simple, watch device. Right? But I didn't think he was...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
overrated i i thought that he was a little bit of a system player just in terms of that team he's really good he can't necessarily do some of the x factor stuff but he doesn't need to right um in that lineup so yeah i think
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's also, I just hate how much stats impact people's perception of players and also the top 20 conversation. Like Shiro is not the fifth best player in the world. He's just not. He's not a bad player. He's not a bad hopper.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
10th or something, what would you say? Yeah, I guess 10th, around 13th to 16th, maybe.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Something like that.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
You didn't hear this, Duncan. I said, not only is he not a top five player, he's not a top five hopper. I actually said that.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Well, obviously, you have Zyvo and Monacy.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Keep going. When you talk about, like, impacting their A game, right now, Torji and Voxic are doing more than Shiro.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
The fifth one is tricky because, you know, Wonderful, Broky are shaking at the moment.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I would have to say 9-10. But that's a bit of a stretch. That's foul. But there is a couple of guys who Shiro is better than, but not by much. Because those guys are more inconsistent and they don't have great games that much. But on their good day, guys like Broky, Wonderful, TakeOver, I don't want to say...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Oh, God.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
but it's a great you know the steph curry one is like he's the greatest shooter of all time but he's not great in the clutch yes of course duncan of course come olympics last year true here he comes in the fucking yeah yeah no actually actually no that happened against france in the final yeah against us he was like how fucking had 20 points in the first quarter and then kind of went quiet and then maybe hit one or two i think big shots in the fourth quarter but
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
That's why I said, for example, in the Golden State team, you give the ball to Durant. He is like the epitome of clout.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Unfortunately, he's not that guy. If he were that guy, his game would be more impactful probably as well. He's made it more hitters. Actually, if you made the list all time of whoppers and you were looking at their peak, Shearer wouldn't be top 10.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
They've nailed that one. The device, you know, disrespect. I mean... But you also guys have to remember, a lot of these players and even more of the fans is like, they've only been watching, I don't know, COVID, post-COVID, maybe like 2019.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
You know, some of these years, like definitely when it comes to, for example, Kenny S and Guardian...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
and their prime or jw even like they don't remember these guys if you told someone pasha was the best player in the world like for the first half of 2014 they would think you're trolling them but that's true that's how it was so back to g2 i i can't live in that world i can't live in that world where they're completely forgetting about device i have
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And I think just about Zonic briefly, because I forgot when we initially talked about it, is like, yeah, it's more about the legacy than whether he's a fraud, because obviously with Astralis, so-and-so, then Vitality, BitShaky ended up winning the Major, and now the Falcons. But I think it'd be crazy because...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Even if you just look at some of that early stuff, and I know that is the case now, too, from some of the interviews, too, from the players. Like, he is incredible at anti-stratting. He sort of revolutionized at the time with Astralis how you anti-strat teams, like what you focus on. And then, obviously, everyone had to start doing it because they were doing it.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
People talking, you know, Flamezy, we did an episode with him in...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
in stockholm and he was talking about zonic when he was on vitality and how incredible of a job he was doing it sort of giving his players confidence and boosting them uh you know so he has you know you have different coaches the styles of coaches were very good at this thing or the other thing he seems to be the whole package where he can connect with the players and create a good atmosphere in the team and team culture nico told me that's what he was impressed with the work he and lars do on that department before you start playing the game
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Then obviously stuff about the game like we just mentioned and so on. So to call him a fraud is crazy. I think depending on how this Falcons team or whatever, how it looks like in the next couple of years, yeah, it could affect his status as the greatest ever. That could be a topic of conversation. Is it going to be him or someone else?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
But to say that he's not a good coach or he's a fraud, it's just –
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And it's the reason... You know how players have been saying the game is more individualistic and everything? Like... Because that was the counter initially to Astralis. That's how you started beating them, is when they're doing everything as a team and step by step, that's when you're doing something a little bit out of the box. Bro, the most underrated team ever.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think they might have heard in Copenhagen with the Royal Arena, there's just been like in a span of two years, there's been a CS major, TI was there. There was just a shit ton of big esports. Something like Rocket League, World Final or something like that. There's been a ton of events where I guess they struggled a little bit with...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, I think one more thing before we get back to Duncan's G2 points.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
We will, we will. But I want to talk about Falcons and this notion where people are talking about, oh yeah, but it's hard for these guys to play because they know they will be replaced. And it was the same for last year's roster, right?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
i think obviously there is some truth to it but here's the thing no one would change players if you're winning you know there's no need why would you change a player if you guys are playing really well you're winning some tournaments you're a contender right so it's up to these players that are on the team yeah in theory you are going to replay be replaced for someone better but
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
If you play really good and show that you are a capable player in that role and they don't necessarily feel that someone else would do it better than you, then you've secured your spot. You know, that's what bothers me a little bit. It's like these players also have a say in what happens to them.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Like, if they play really well, if they have a good approach, if they're, you know, a good teammate as well amongst other things, it's like, yeah, you might keep your spot on the team. I think it was the case even for the last lineup. It's like, yeah, they're hoping that someone from that lineup will sort of earn their spot on the team.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
just filling it right to the point where it didn't make sense to rent it out. So they went for a smaller space, but I don't know, I would guess they would, they'll come back there eventually. But I think that's also why I think format is very underrated. Some of these conversations, that's why I said, and if you notice Duncan, like you look back at,
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, so there's a part of that that's on the players, too, because look at someone like Madden. Like, Madden was a great, you know, player for ENCE before, and I think a valued player, and then that bad stint in Falcons, and no one's picked him up.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think he would be a great pickup for his more of a supportive rifler role for a lot of the teams out there, but it just sort of put the stain a little bit on him, and that's what can happen to some of the other guys, like, you know, whether that's...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
tesses right or i don't know potentially or whoever right obviously you know if you have someone like monacy available you know i'm sorry dexter you're probably never going to be able to sort of even if you're playing really well to to do what he can do but i think just to solely put it that way oh yeah well these players they can't do anything about it and you know it's the falcons fault that they keep building these rosters but there's no future for the players it's like
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yes, on paper that is true, but it doesn't have to be that way.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
cologne right and you look back last 10 years who's won the tournament it's always one of the best teams in the world it's never you know there's never a fluke winner right there's someone maybe gets and actually the big run was probably the closest a good amount like of of times there's a team that sneaks into the quarterfinal or the semi-final maybe that's a little bit so last year yeah exactly big that year that jason mentioned there was a
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
The issue now what they have is like, who's going to be like, do they feel like Kikson is good enough?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Magisk is still going to get some leeway because of his history and, you know, big game player and Zonic and whatnot. So then it's like, okay, let's say Monasty instead of Dexter. And you probably try and upgrade Tess's.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
you know like had a good i think final or some of the games include other stuff not so much but that's one where you know if you're falcons and also i think if you're nico you kind of you know you you came over on the promise that they're going to build the best they must have said that to him yeah so there's definitely you know a better player out there than tessus and i guess we'll see what they end up doing in that department nothing probably you know before the major obviously
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think it is. I think it is plausible. I also... You know, he's a guy that... Wasn't it implied they expanded his role?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
He's been coming up with pistols, basically, for, I think, a couple of years now. For a little while, it was taken out of his hands. I'm not sure why. Whether it was him or someone else wanting to change it up a little bit, maybe he was getting tired a little bit and just needed a break from it.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
But he's been doing that for a long time and has taken more responsibility now on CT side with Niko departing to help out with that. I think, yeah, I think he has the necessary qualities to be a good IGL. He's always been a hard worker and a guy who likes to study his opponents, even before it even, you know, people were doing it, like in his crazy days, right?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Team crazy, you know, that he was crazy.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
um and stuff and you know if he's like playing b apps on mirage st he would see how the anchor is playing right and sort of just know you know i i think even we were joking one time against us or something like he would have a knife out and push b apps as ct because i don't know when we did a certain type of default or throw a certain combination of smokes can you know one was b apps like okay shit like that so
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Come on, let me hear you. Let's get louder. Welcome to Talking Counter. Come on, let me hear you. Let's get louder. Welcome to Talking Counter.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And also, to be honest, it's just a smart move to prolong his career. Because he isn't one of those guys who's mechanically out of this world. He's more just of a guy with big balls, really, when it comes to big games. He's afraid to make moves and take fights. And he's been a great player.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And I think you asked me as an analyst, but now I can also tell you that when I talked to him and just asked him about it, whether he's considering that for his career, he said he definitely is.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Movi started the year before, so you have these teams who do it, but to really go all the way, and it's because of the format. It's best of three from the start. It was for a while best of one in just the opening game, but always the majority of the tournament was best of three, and then even the grand final best of five. It's a big arena. There's a crowd. It's also a prestigious event.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
you know, down the line, not saying five years from now, but you know, if like, no, but it's like something that in his career, he's like, yeah, I can, I can see myself transitioning into an IGL, um, at some point, like it interests me, not like Brolin levels, his childhood dream to be an IGL.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's how you do it. But I do, what was the second thing?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
The teams really want to win, so that's not an event where you have excuses. We're really like we're ramping up. There's no ramping up for that one, so... And that's why it's kind of sad, but even Apex said it when he was doing the interview at Blast, it's like that he preferred, you know, the Cluj major compared to the Paris major because it was more difficult to win.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, I think obviously people really... I think that's the problem with Malibu and why he's been playing worse this year. He's put way too much pressure on himself to do the things that Nico did. Well, G2 put that pressure on him. I don't know. I don't think G2 is asking that of him. I think G2 is just asking him to play the spots, but they're not expecting him to be the...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
But I think if you look at what was Malb's greatest quality last year with G2, it was just the fragging output, just the trading, the entering. He was just so sharp, so snappy, so good with his aim. It wasn't too many situations where he was sort of behind the lines, lurking, doing something on his own. Not saying that that didn't happen at all, but that's where he had...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
the most impact you look at that Mirage game at the major against Heroic right how he delivered in the end right like those are the things that stand out and I feel like the reason you don't see that as much this year is a little bit some of the whatever position changes maybe but a lot more is like that
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
he has this pressure to do all these other things outside of just focusing on his crosshair and shooting and fragging, right? And that's then taking away from that. So you're getting the worst of both worlds where you lost the quality that he had before or it fell off and he can't...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
do the other thing that nico used to do to sort of at least compensate for that right so that's why just leave it to hunter leave it to sort of snacks um and want to see to call his own number when he wants to and just for first like just settle in the roles you know like yeah you played that stuff on m80 uh not everything but it's different it's tier two counter-strike like here it's tier one counter-strike it's online it's on in the arena against some really good teams and really good players that you're going head to head
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think for Vitality, you know, even winning something like, obviously, Katowice is way more impressive than winning Paris. Imagine saying that to Blast, though, like...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
and it's going to take time.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
you know i actually prefer that really old school major i would like million years ago when it was all compared to your biggest whatever in my home i love apex i don't know i don't fucking love it to your tears that's why i love him as well because he keeps it real right obviously at the time he's he's thrilled that he won another major after so long but you know after a while he looks back and it's like well yeah the teams we beat were fucking
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
That C9 team, the org falling apart, actually helped out a couple of teams. G2, I think Heavy God is great. He's super versatile. I got to talk to him actually a little bit for the first time in Stockholm. Smart guy. Yeah, great. Like just down to earth guy. He's definitely one of those guys that will get along with everyone like on the team. Just super likable guy.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
hard worker very versatile he already played different roles in his career right and had a couple of good games already yesterday as well so I think that was sort of I don't think G2 could have gotten a player of his caliber that would fit so well you know if
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I think also something that I wanted to mention, that people, you see how we talk about some things, but we overlook some other things. When you talk about role changes and different things, like... Messi is playing more rotator roles on Vitality now compared to the anchor roles. And he's fucking nailing it. And they're playing great.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
So it's like... That's why hate... I mean, hate is too strong of a word. But I dislike the role sells and people get too bogged down in the role.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's like a good player is a good player. Now, I'm not saying... I think we had... We talked about this with Twists on the podcast. And we sort of came down to the... It's more about the personality of the player. Right? If a guy... That was Elige. Elige.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
yeah okay yeah it's like just active you know ironically that'll piss him off that you're just looking for him but whatever it's all i apologize but uh if a guy really likes to do things in game right and move around like yeah you can't really put him as an anchor it's probably going to be a liability but whether he's the connector player or the cat player on mirage right it's not that big of a deal whether he's the the b rotator inferno or the a rotator inferno
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
shouldn't be too big of a deal if he's a good player, right? And for someone like Mazzy and some of the other guys who can move from anchors to rotators and stuff, yeah, that...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
is rarer bro i'll give you an example still a really good player can do that it would be similar as in you know and to be a top player you need to obviously understand like multiple roles and how things work out same way like in dota yeah you might be playing carry but you need to know you know on a high level how does support work how does mid where all these other roles so you know how to position yourself in regards to to everyone else
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Like before the major started, none of the teams they beat in best of threes was in the top 30, right? So it's wild in that sense. And sure, you play the teams that are in front of you. I actually, I even said it at the time because I was catching a lot of flag from Vitality fans. I would just, I would do your thing, Duncan. I just post the facts on Twitter. Yeah, that's the best thing.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Last playoffs. Spirit, Na'Vi. Spirit, Na'Vi, Vitality on the same side of the bracket. That's kind of banger. I feel like for Na'Vi... I mean, I'm not going to say that they have to beat Spirit because of how the season has been going for them. But if they don't at least put up a fight, if they don't make it close...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Like I even mentioned, you know, them kind of potentially being in crisis mode prior to this tournament starting. I think if they just get blown out by spirit again, that's definitely, you know, you need to take a deep, hard look at yourself and see what's going on. Because the problem for me, again, isn't so much the results, even though there's been some poor losses in there.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It's like getting blown out in a couple of games, right? Especially the Mongols won at Pro League, right? Stands out. It's like, what's going on here? What's the deal?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And actually, why they're in this position is that loss to Eternal Fire. The loss to Eternal Fire could have been in the semis. Avoid vitality as well, right? And sure, I mean, beat with fucking nine frags in the best of three.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
I just post the teams that Vitality beat and then their ranks and that's it, right?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
He was the third most impactful rifler in the world behind Duncan Eagle.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
look at those two names like that you know like the conversation which he's in but absolutely didn't have the numbers you know as consistently but yeah you can go to every tournament win and a key map a key game and look at the jl round the fucking deagle ace in the in the eco on ancient against g2 completely turned the tide of that game and
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
You don't need a better example of that than the fact that they float train as well and play it, right? Like, Blade never used to do that.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
And I was like, because I thought even if they played some of those teams, they would have probably won. Because they did a great job of ramping up for the major. They felt like they were peaking at the major. So I thought, in a way, they were kind of robbed of that storyline.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Actually, that's the same problem that FaZe has. I mean, they pick fucking Anubis against... They have to ban it.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
whoever they played against spirit right like i mean that's kind of wild but we're done with them so yeah i mean this other side of the bracket is like this is the the i don't want to say the first real test for mouse because they had plenty of tests but this is you in an arena going up against some of the big name and they even have the quote-unquote easier side of the bracket on paper they're supposed to be the final right yeah they're the real team we think they are if
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
It is important. I think last major was kind of looked like poets for G2 and they fucked it and then Spirit had an open road in a way.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
They should have been heroic.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, I think for me, Maus is number two. It's Vitality, Maus, then Spirit. And sure, Maus doesn't have Donk, but they beat Spirit two times. They did, yeah, true. Last two times they played as well, so I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise. Like, sure, you could say if they were to meet at this stage of the tournament with the crowd, that somehow... Maus would, you know, choke.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
But I mean, they didn't have the same level of opposition in Cluj, but they had the environment. And the biggest reason felt like that Exertion finally had, he had a great final, you know, and that was the reason if there was an MEP for the final, he would have gotten it 100%. So for Maus, this is sort of a little bit, if they end up losing to like G2 or Eternal Fire, it's going to be like, well...
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, so I don't even know how I got here.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
What's the deal here, guys? I thought we were past this. I thought we outgrew this. I thought we were mature enough now. So for me, they're definitely the favorites on that side of the bracket. But I'm also interested to see G2. Will this win against the Mongols and finally making the playoffs of a big event and being in the arena again?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Is this going to give them a boost in confidence, a boost in performance? Well, nice, Jason. Where they actually are going to look a little bit like G2 of last year. Because also, I mean, remember that fucking game that Hunter had, albeit against Imperial? And that was nuts, you know. And in the arena, he should play a little bit better. So we'll see. There's a chance for them.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
So yeah, we'll see. Eternal Fire, they've had a couple of chokes in the arena. So whoever comes in the semi-final, you want them to at least put up a fight.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Yeah, but that's the thing. That's the problem. Again, it feels like Vitality's tournament to lose. And it's going to feel like that for a while. Yeah.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
great because like you guys pointed out all of these teams need upgrades and the reason why you didn't mention eternal fire and the mongols is because well they don't have any in the region but everyone feels that they are going to be lacking a little bit compared to vitality because it is the dream squad You have three super experienced players.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Well, not super, but three very experienced players in Apex, Robson, Zaivu. Three proven winners in all three of them. And then you have Flamesy, a really talented, mechanically skilled player in there. And Mazzy, a great sort of glue guy, versatile player who definitely pulls his own weight, who also used to be IGL for a little bit. And that will always give you more perspective.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
So you have a team that has firepower, has experience.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
gets along doesn't have too many egos yes exactly has too many has a good team atmosphere has a great in-game leader a great foundation and a great game it's like yeah that's it like they're going to be the team to beat for the foreseeable future and it's going to be very tough to beat them like i'll tell you one reason why i don't think anyone could beat vitality
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
That deserves it. He was like Jason playing the game on Nightmare Mode.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Duncan is the type, you know, break glass in case of a podcast.
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
Is it because he was the coach of Astralis?
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Episode 129: Featuring Thorin - CS dramas, should FaZe be panicked?, BLAST Lisbon and J.R. Smith
First of all, it's crazy to me that Jason has this sort of point of view. All of a sudden, he wants to see the world burn. Always a measured mind. Always the voice of reason. Just decided. I'm done. Tell me I'm wrong. No, wait.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Kind of, yeah. I just need to follow a bit more of a flow, which is what we're going to talk about tonight. And I'll take some notes and do all that kind of good stuff. But yeah, all in all, we got to wear suits, don't we? I got to decide if I'm going to wear wide-legged trousers or just standard straight business trousers.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I don't know. The wide-legged ones have better silhouette, Jason. That's the buzzword of the moment.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
The weekend is saved.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Okay.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
As long as you're still in shot.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
and that's the series where like now that's got him like a seven-year tenure on nip yeah 1942 uh i am oakland mvp res yeah welcome everybody to oakland it's so good i never made it on youtube did it but anyway that's sorry for another day um i just here's the thing we can talk about robson we can talk about leap but we already spoke about those things the last episode we did we functioned under the guise that they were going to happen and they have come to fruition i don't know if you're looking for that information go to the last episode
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, if you didn't listen to the last episode, what are you doing listening to this one?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Oh, that's true too. But I will say this. If you are a listener of the podcast and you haven't listened since episode one, what we do encourage for all listeners, new listeners, is to go back to episode one and listen all the way through because you will have missed a lot of content. And especially the snappy episode.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
It wasn't raining and then it was. So it started pretty nice. I think the interesting thing about all of it is I commenced the journey with like an email that came into me when I was in Perth, Western Australia at about four o'clock in the afternoon. And my flight was at 2.25 a.m. And the email came in and said, hey, your flight's been delayed by an hour.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Teams will have already started practice because they play next week. Yeah. And it's Friday today.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, the thing with that is it even makes less sense. Like you're adding in, I think, like he plays rotator rolls on the CT side, but it's the T side that would make even less sense. Yeah. Imagine another one. Like one of the things that he was criticized for was being too inactive on lurks. Yeah. Right? So it's like, holy... And then how do you get the balance?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
taking a little bit more entry duty with yeah but no one's watching that jason everyone's still just being i see some people out there got your back on reddit that's yeah but it's and it's not about getting my back it's just like actually watching the games of counter-strike yeah you know there's
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
He plays an important role within his team, right? But in terms of being an AWPer who's going out, seeking out the fights, right? That's not the type of counter-strike that he brings to the table. But look, the thing for me with... What's wrong, Jason?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So like I spent that time on the phone to Malaysian Airlines being like, hey, do I still have to shop at the airport the same time as I would for a 2.25 a.m. flight or can I come in later? And she was like, no, you can come in later. Took a while to explain, but we got there in the end. So I rocked up later. Stu was three hours early because my parents took me out to the airport.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I wonder. Probably. We love that red and yellow carpet. Yeah, anyway, we were talking. So, look, some of these changes, there's a few things actually that are news that are not roster related. One of them is Train. Yeah. Look, I will say that I feel my tweet played an influence.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So I don't want to, you know... I liked that tweet.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Wasn't it polite?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
In that case, I need to tell everybody that Danger Zone will not be making a return. Ah, shit. I'm actually serious about that.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
About Danger Zone?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
We did talk about it, but I can't say what they said. Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
As far as I'm concerned, I don't think Danger Zone is coming back. Cool. But the guy that does the social media... He isn't just a social media guy, but he's not one of the devs who comes to the events. Right. So he's a different bloke than the five guys that we normally see. Um, yeah, but train in, and they did some very small updates on it last night. Very, very small. Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, that's just that kind of... Can you go in it? No. It's just essentially that the way that the door opens removed a sheer angle. So you can't just sit in that corner. I think that's probably why they did it. And otherwise, that little gap at the back of six has been slightly widened. It's not much widened. It's just ever so slightly.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
And they're like in their 60s, so I didn't want them to be up too late. So they were already up at fucking midnight. I could see them. They're walking dead. So anyway, they dropped me off. All good. But I told them before I left, I was like, watch this. I'm going to get stuck in KL for like 12 hours. because the layover time was only two hours, but we're already delayed an hour.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I don't get on the train. There's a lot of people who want to look at the map in its rudimentary state and be quite negative about it. You see that dialogue come out. For me, one of the things is when I see, I try and envision what the pros are going to do to take advantage of the map the way it is, because that's essentially what we need to have happen.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
The map needs to be like figured out in its state. And then when we do see, oh, this is a glaring issue, then Valve will look to how they can mitigate that in the future. So for me, it's like, okay, so how would it play out right now? And with what you're talking about with PopDog, I think it's interesting because of that type of a fight now that you're going to have in early Brown Walls slash the
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
white walls drop off if you play two cts b and you win that space you have pop dog control from b you don't need to play up close pop so it might change the ct defenses in that way you could play two inside tussle for that control early get brown wall and pop dog control and defend that so that the t's have to work through in really hard fights in those corridors to get that space if they want it so i think that that's kind of going to be an interesting dynamic to see how teams address that position i feel like that's going to be a really hard fight for t's to win
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, but that's the thing. We're going to have to think about how it evolves. Okay, so you could drop a defensive Molotov as you're running through Whitewall so they can't push up the low ramp, right? You're still going to have to worry about the high ramp swing, but maybe like it used to be, maybe you'd have an Orpah post up for that swing as you had a T run through.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So maybe some little things like that to jostle for that control. And it's going to be Counter-Strike from when Train was removed in 2021, it was in May, that his...
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
here's the thing i'm going to say this and if prof or striker listen to this i'm going to do this for a skinnier question when i do my next hltv confirmed so if they listen to this they'll have the answer donk's first official was recorded in august of 2021 so he has never played an official map of train i know that makes sense because he's so young but that that's the question so train was removed in may of 2021 okay um the way that counter-strike is played now is much more like chess sporty right in terms like the space taking if they have this then we take this
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So I think those type of dynamics are going to play in a train as well. Even though the divide between the positions is much greater. I actually, like, I get what you're saying about the back of Ivy and everything being more closed off. But one of the issues before was the Ts could full press yard, right?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
And as we all know, flights very rarely actually leave on time. So the knock-on effect was going to be even more. So I wasn't stressing because I already knew that it was going to be fucked.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
And you could go, sorry, the CTs could full press yard with like three, even four players out Z, right? And you'd fight for pop and main and you'd win those two jewels because you knew that you could caretake Ivy from E-box, right? You could post up E-box or you could be sandwich or you could be in those positions. And once you get main and pop control, then you can worry about Ivy.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
But now with it being more cut off, it's going to segregate the CT's defense a little bit more. And someone has to stay on that type of position. You can't just push up E and you can't just push up main.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
for those positions because if the tees want to exploit that they're actually going to get a lot of room in the back lines and they can move less detected so i'm interested to see how it plays out i agree that there will likely be some big updates to come but i want to see how the pro teams approach the map first how do you how do you think they approach
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, because I think that you should, unless they're throwing like super deep T main utility, you should be able to have someone in main ready to like swing out off of that contact or vice versa, right? And because there's less angles and verticality to worry about, which I actually think is one of the keys of the map.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I accepted the fact so much that in my carry-on luggage, I had packed a full set of fresh clothes, like two pairs of underwear and my bathers because I fucking knew what was going to happen. Your bathers? Swimming trunks.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I understand people are saying, oh, it's lost a lot of its identity in that regard. I actually think that's kind of a nice thing that they've simplified some of those things. I think that it still maybe needs to be looked at in certain areas. Like maybe we need a bit more verticality or ability to get on trains because that's the map, right? But-
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
If you think about train previously, think about the sheer amount of angles and then the verticality of those angles that you had to worry about. It was crazy, right? So I think simplifying some of that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But yeah, I see what you're saying about T-Main. Look...
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah. Yeah. The mollies are painful.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah. I think that early pace will be key because you just need one or two gimmicky strategies and you might be able to snowball over the course of a team, right?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So I think in the first few times that we see Train being played, it's going to be quite snowball-y and quite aggressive and fast, which I think is cool because when you think about Counter-Strike, the first thing you want to do on all these maps is determine the timings of where two teams can meet.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
right at what point of best one versus best spawn who wins this right and then you layer on utility it's like okay well they're going to have the angle so we need to deny that angle is it with the flash is it with the molly is it with the smoke right and then we layer on how we approach counter-strike on top of that so i'm interested to see that evolution before i sit here and go oh map's not ready
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
because we had ancient and ancient took some big changes earlier. Remember the big boxes that used to be up on lane, the fully blocked division, removing those boxes kind of changed a lot of things. They made donut wider. They blocked off temple because it used to have like the two openings of temple. They made a lot of changes. Um, And I think the same thing will happen with Train.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Once we see where the issues are. For me, that's the most, that's more exciting than any roster change. I fucking love new maps. This is my favorite thing. The in-game leader brain just fucking starts geeking out on this shit. Just fires up. You got all those receptors. I fucking love it.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
It was played a lot in the opening stage.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, but that shows you that weaker teams would lean into that map. But now the curious thing is with these rosters, so for like Vitality, for example, they have to play Train unless they want to pick up Ancient.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
right so you're going to get and that kind of works because robs is coming from phase a team who didn't play vertigo or not a lot yeah right um and then you look at you look at like g2 for example i'm trying to think but if i remember it correctly when train was in the pool that was vitality's permaban i don't remember
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I think we just call them different things. Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
They definitely played Dust 2 because RPK was long. Yeah, they played Dust 2. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder... I think it was Train. But I don't think they'll play Ancient. I think it's too evolved for them to get into it.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah. I don't know. But yeah, that was one of the big ones of recently. The other one was The Vow of Exceptions. Did you guys read those?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah. So that I was ready to go when I got there and I was, and I, you know, I did everything. It was an awesome buffet, had all the cuisines in the world you could possibly think of, had two square meals, had a nap, met an elderly couple who was sitting in front of me, the same age as my parents. They also got delayed.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
yeah i look i think now we can um start bringing a bit more scrutiny to it all because i agree with you like the remnants of of the years have just gone when we spoke about this last time um i think i mentioned that there wouldn't be any points for the women's only tournaments that's wrong yeah which is that that needs to be addressed Right, like that in itself needs to be addressed.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, but the people will just be in the comments, Jason, saying, yeah, but it's only one out of 24 teams that are women's teams. So just be careful what you say.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, I don't really know what their business model looks like. I don't either. But like, hey, that's something that, you know, with all the orgs dropping out, I think that's quite telling that it's not working.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, what else we got? We got a... The roster changes to do with NIP, Heroic, Game of Legion.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Is it live? It's live. I have a fun fact to start with. We don't have a lot of time. So I don't want to waste too much time with fun facts. But here's one. And we'll... Jason. No, actually I'll start with Yanko. Yanko, minus 40 degrees Celsius is what in Fahrenheit?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Oh yeah. So I, like after I was going back to the airport, I was going back to the airport to get on the plane and I just checked in and everything was fine. Well, it wasn't fine. They were like, oh, cause I gave him my bag tag and I was like, oh, they told me it was going to go all the way through to Belgrade. And they were like, nah, you were meant to collect it.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, but do you think though, because St. Pius is there too. do you think it was like a trade with Falcons? Like maybe to mitigate them instead of like cash or maybe on top of the cash, they go, we'll give you these players as well.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
But they don't have to do that now.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
And I was like, ah, she was like, but we'll try and find it. It might make it. And I was like, cool. So anyway, as I'm going to go through security and all that kind of stuff, I'm waiting. I'm just finishing my bottle of water and all that. And this guy comes up to me and he goes, hey, you sponge? I'm like, yeah. He's like, oh, you know, I watch Counter-Strike. And I was like, well, this is weird.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
But it wasn't a core. Right?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Can I say this stuff?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
But their results could determine how long they stay on those teams. But I'll be honest, I like the Heroic one move more than the Falcon one. The Falcon one reeks of desperation so that they're in the picture, right? Whereas the Heroic one, they had their players taken, so they had to just put something together.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
And I like what they did, and I don't know how it's going to work, but I think that it just would put more stock in Saw as a coach if he pulls it off and they're relatively competitive. I think it'd be great because there's young names there, but they're also future-proofing in the sense of, well, look, we're making the best of a bad situation.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
And he's like, oh, yeah, no, I saw your story that you're stuck in KL. And I was like, well, this got even more weird. He's like, no, no, no, I'm not here. Just like my mate's going to Japan. I was just dropping at the airport.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
We'll get some other players that we may potentially be able to trial if some of these guys don't work out. And we'll see what we can build in the six-month period, which is the lead up to the major. And look, I don't hate it. And if you're a big org and you want to spend the money and you want to make these moves and you buy smaller orgs or whatever, so okay, so Sango go back to the drawing board.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
They start again. They play in tier two. They try and play in a tier one. So now it's probably like a year and a half.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, they shat the bed at the Major.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, this is important to talk about with this one. Sammy was already gone.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
They benched him or they got rid of him. And then Jota was likely going to go as well because Eternal Fire were interested.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
But they're still together. Now you're on Heroic. But they have better players. They have some Pius, which is better than what they already had with an Orpah. And they got the T1R guy.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
That's counter-strike, Jason.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
True, and they're not all adults.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, it would have been Tessa, Shush, and Kikson as the three that Heroic still would have had if they got rid of Degster, because Nertz was going to Liquid. So then they would have needed to get an Orpah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Apparently, so they made $10 million or whatever.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
You said that there was lots of pop dog shirts.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Did you clip it?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, I've had something just rattling around my head that we need to get straight now. We're just going to get this out and then we can move on swiftly. Kioske.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
kioske yeah not not no forget the u because it's like japanese kioske yeah yeah like the kioske you're not like that i see where you're going with this yeah yeah yeah um but anyway i just want to get that out of the way uh nips changes this is the best thing nips done in years
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
You'll break it if you touch it, Jason. They got Snappy and Shush. Yeah. They're Danish now. Yeah. Well, they're not. They're two Danes. Snappy, Shush. Yeah. They got rid of everybody that was in the team other than Wrinkle. Wrinkle, yeah. So, Charlie Runkle gets to stay and they keep him as a nice little AWP-er. I like that. Yeah. It's kind of nice. It's kind of nice indeed. So far, so good. Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
We're liking this so far, aren't we, Jason? Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. And then the next two players that are in the mix, Portuguese. Oh, yeah. So some young soldiers for Snappy to work with. He gets a young, hungry team of players that he can, you know, call the same that he was with Ents, right?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Is this the episode for me to follow up on the hemorrhoids?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Like, you know, momentum-based, super strat-heavy counter-strike because you know they're going to listen. You don't need to call around superstars or anything like that.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
he can he can try the same type when we had him on that episode that isn't on youtube he was discussing um it will be later he was discussing you know the type the way that he built the system and how he could just make changes to that but so everybody kind of knew what they were doing yeah he can do that again with this roster and it's talent like he has players who are very talented like ujerks and aristos would have games where they would be really really strong like sure they don't have the most experience right they got a taste of it hopefully their english is fine
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, I was wondering about that. The hemorrhoids in the Batcave.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I think it should be. Yeah, I think it should. You're playing European faces. It should be fine. You've got the reliable soldier of Shush, right? Great anchor player, can come in clutch. And then you've got the bravado and the action-packed nature of a Mr. Wrinkle, right? Who's had moments.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Sure, he's dimmed a little bit recently, but sure, it means NIP are going to have to build back up, but they weren't in the conversation anyway. They didn't have enough points to be in the conversation. This is better than the old roster by far.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
No, no, no. This is the Batcave. I think that was the headline, I think, or the title. The Bat House. The Bat House, yeah. They dissipated pretty swiftly. Good. But there were lingering health issues that I didn't get seen to for six months.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
with inferior talent to some of the teams that they were competing against so here it's going to be interesting to see whether he can do it again now in a very similar situation the issue is the timeline right so the question is what type of opportunities are they either going to be able to earn or get given through wild cards of where they can try and accrue enough vrs uh points uh to be able to get to the uh the
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
major regional qualifiers that's because the likelihood of them getting enough to qualify directly into the majors very very tough so essentially they're hoping to get enough to be part of the qualifiers and that's even going to be tough as it is so it's this has to be a project that needs to be given the year the first part is just to establish themselves and then hopefully put them in a position to be getting a couple of invites into the the tier two realms
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
And then after that, it's then getting enough points to get invited to the tier one realms and then enough to be able to qualify for the major, probably the second one of the year. So look, this is the best thing that I think NIP have done in a long time. But when we get to see them in full force, it's going to be really hard.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
They're going to be the case study of how a team can turn their fate around and how easy or how hard it's going to be to move up and down through the rankings.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, I thought he would definitely be staying. That one, that was probably one of the more shocking in terms of just something that I didn't see happening. Obviously, they needed to replace Flammas, who I've seen Flammas around the hotel with VP, VP here. Yeah. So, yeah, having to make that type of a change, yeah, fair enough.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
But then to bring in Rez, maybe just they saw the opportunity with NIP because the NIP stuff, Hitchin was making some tweets like a week ago now. So that's obviously been in the pipeline for a while. Like, so, yeah, they just could be seizing the opportunity. And to be fair, like, I think a new... Change is as good as a holiday, me mom would always say.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah. So... It's refreshing. Yeah, yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, I got it. Nice. So the change for Rez, I think the change for Rez could be really good because he's extremely experienced. He hasn't been having a high output, but right now, what's the expectation of game religion? It's not super high.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
No, no, it's not really serious. It's not really... Actually, have either of you had to have a colonoscopy? No. But you go under for that.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, that one went through. I was just looking at that one. But that one, I think maybe we touched on that before, but we don't think we went in depth about that. I think that the problem is it still does require Axl to be the player that he once was, right? Because you look at the Betboom roster, I think Zorty is solid, but I feel like... Magnoyaz is good.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
The doctors recommended that I get a colonoscopy. So I need to look into that. Well, I think it's because I really don't like going to doctors overseas. It just doesn't feel right. And I'm sure we all have that. So when I went back to Australia, I went and saw a doctor there and I had a couple of health issues I wanted to get checked. I wanted to do blood work.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, I feel like we wanted more from Zordi, though. And I think Siren's a good anchor player.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Sure. I guess that's because people were really upset with Yukinda's level of performance.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
They don't give a fuck.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, to stay alive, yeah, but some people actually have been in complexity. Your angle, I'm with it. Jason Lake staying in the space. TSM, what are we fucking talking about?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I don't want 100 thieves to come back in and get a team and get sick of money and fuck off again.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I wanted to see what was wrong with my butt. And that was the main concern because for like six months, it was really, really itchy and extremely sweaty. Like I'm talking sweaty, like fucking underwear, absolutely drenched in sweat type stuff. And this was in the post-mortem of the hemorrhoids, which I also didn't get fixed straight away or get medical attention for straight away.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Over JT? Yeah. Why is JT on the team then? I don't know. Jason, come on now.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Jason, come on now. You're going to touch the laptop and you're going to fuck the webcam.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I don't know if he was the guy that slept in.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I don't know. Was he the guy who overslept?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
All right. Well, look, this is why I'm happy about the complexity thing, because I think what's going to happen is you're going to get such mediocre results out of all the North American teams. Now, hold up North America. Stay with me for one second, guys, because this is get off the ride yet. This is for the benefit of all of us.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So we're going to get some pretty mediocre results going on, which is then going to leave them in a position where one of them, probably M80, because they have the most money as far as I understand, or the biggest, I don't know, maybe they don't have the most money.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
They also have to play with the stand-in again. Oh, because of Rek. Yeah, they got Kito. But can't he travel yet? Rek might be able to travel soon. They said for bounty. Oh, okay. It's just because he broke his leg, right? And they wouldn't let him travel with a broken leg. Because, yeah, maybe hopefully it gets sorted for Katowice for him.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
But anyway, I think like if you're best North American exclusive players, right? We're not including a Hal Zook or a JT in this type of thing. Like eventually you get to the point where if you get like Rek, Rek, Grim on the same team, right? And then we're going to need an AWPer and we're going to need an in-game leader, right? But if you could get Stan as low as your in-game leader, right?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Because Stan's doing a really good job there. Also, I use those three names, but we could also bring in Jaber. He could be in the conversation. Now, none of those guys are AWPers that I mentioned. They still need an AWPer. But we're starting to curate some talent that we've seen having some moments.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Now, also, if the 60 guy and Nyx and all these North American teams are getting opportunities to go overseas and they're actually performing decently against European opponents, they get chances to try and flourish too. So as much as like out the gate, these changes don't like fill me with a huge amount of confidence. We're not going to see immediate success or immediate success is unlikely.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
It just caused a lot of issues. So when I saw the doctor in Australia, he was like, have you actually had anyone like look? And I was like, no. I was like, I just had like a video call and I got like some medication for the hemorrhoids. He's like, so you don't even know if that's what you had.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Precisely, which may lead to their demise or may lead to a point where they're able to make some bigger changes to build a better team in the future.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
based off of what we get to see so i think that like in terms of having a dominant north american team that's not going to be the case but what it could potentially build into in the future is the talent maybe coming together and then building consolidating yeah right and that's that exciting that's where you could potentially have an opportunistic tsm in there as well maybe yeah because we need some new jersey some new york some hawaii i saw like the uh the nouns dao uh didn't pass
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
No, I don't know either.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
True. I don't know if he's really... I can't... Is he really the in-game leader?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Call Graham Pitt. He's in New York right now. I don't know. He might not answer. He's with his wife. Hopefully he doesn't answer. It is like noon. He's with his wife. If he does answer, I'd be really surprised.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
fuck's sake it's gonna stay frozen i'm not fixing it anymore fair enough he's gonna message me he's gonna say like what am i calling him for hello graham um just want to inform you before you say anything i'm recording a podcast episode right now um i just have a question because we were we were looking at uh your new player nix's twitter profile and it says he's the in-game leader for complexity
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Okay, tell me when you can hear me.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Okay, so I just said that I'm currently recording a podcast episode. I just wanted to inform you of that before the conversation goes any further. Second of all, I was looking at the Twitter profile of your new player, Nyx, and it says that he's the in-game leader for Complexity. Am I live on a podcast right now?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Well, I don't know if they can hear you, but I was just calling you for clarification on that. Yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Okay. Okay, JT is still the IGL. Got that from Graham Messioso Pitt. Okay, great. Thank you. I'm glad that we can get this type of information out of you rapidly. So thank you. We just want to say from everybody here at Talking Counter, all the people who listen to Talking Counter, we hope that you enjoy your vacation in New York with your wife. Oh, how was it? Green, okay.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
All right, thanks, Graham. There's no timestamps, Graham, so good luck. See you.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So he just took my word for it, right? So when I was in Oz, the guy was like, well, look, we're going to have to check. I was like, fair enough. That makes sense. And he goes, oh, do you need a chaperone in the room? And I was like, are you fucking serious? Is someone else to sit here and look at my sweaty asshole? No, I think that's fine. Just you, mate. Just you's good enough.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Your country's so fucked, man. They have to ask for a chaperone, right? Isn't that crazy? I'm a 35-year-old man. Like, what the fuck? So, yeah, the... He has a gander. Like, I lay down on the table, and he also presses on my stomach to make sure there's no issues with my bowels overall. Like, if he said anything that feels hard or painful, that's bad. So, he said, no, there's no issues there.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
You shit yourself at that point. It's also very embarrassing. And I just had lunch. So, you know, I had a full stomach. And he was like, yeah. So, there's lots of, like...
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
not like this would be lacerations like it's just a lot of like from from the itchy skin because they're so itchy guys i'd be waking up every night just like with the itchiest you could possibly imagine in your whole life so he was like yeah look you've got like a fungal infection so you're gonna need to apply this cream for a month and you're gonna need to take some antibiotics oh my lord so i've been taking the antibiotics and i've been using the cream and i'll say my is no longer rich it's no longer itchy that cream does some work it's great it's probably the same cream they gave me for the poison ivy
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
No, so he was very clear about this. He was like, with the butt cream, you need to make sure that you shower and make sure you're very clean and make sure it's very dry. So you'd have the shower, then you dry off, then you do the cream. Do you use the hair dryer to dry it off?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I just kind of like sit there rocking back and forth just to get some airflow going. And then the cream will be applied. Then I'll wash my hands, obviously, Jason. I'll do some serum, some moisturizer. I got some beard oil now. So I'm putting the beard oil in. You should look into some beard oil.
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On your beard or? Yeah. All right. My asshole is quite hairy too. And then the spray, the last thing. And then really rub it in, rub it in, and then go to bed.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Sorry, minus 40.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
So you start getting ready at like 6 p.m. Yeah, that's why I got up so early.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
It is. They actually meet, right? The two scales meet at minus 40. And that's the fun fact. Minus 40 degrees Celsius and Fahrenheit are in fact the same temperature.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I don't know. Mel Gibson just did a Joe Rogan episode where he was saying ivermectin cures cancer.
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Now we're getting banned.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
yeah donald trump was inaugurated on the 6th of january we'll start there uh is that bad for the algorithm that two minutes in we talked about donald trump and said it's actually terrible for the algorithm we said three times i know i think it's actually ruined we might need to start over and he said socialism i did say oh god we did fuck that up now i've sworn as well so we're really i think we just stay the course yeah i think we should just stay the course uh and see where we end up right now yeah um any fun stories jason lost his bag
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Yeah, not really. Yeah. I don't really race when it comes to my liquor. I didn't use alcohol on my butthole. Imagine that. I could have sterilized the wounds.
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Well, good thing I didn't.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Should we talk about Counter-Strike? I guess we should. We only have a limited time today. We do have a limited time.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
I mean, we do, but we don't. True. Well, the mix is going on.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Yeah, and that's what we're going to be. And then I have to leave at 7.45 to go to rehearsal. Right, and then you come later for dinner. Yeah, which is 10 minutes down the road apparently. Okay, I need to make sure I take enough clothes because it's going to be cold tonight. That's easy done. But yeah, we're in Belgrade for the HTV award show. You brought Jane. So no baby.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Lucky Jason's getting a bit of a holiday. No baby, just wife.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
um and then so tomorrow is the proceeding so it would be the same as last year essentially but there's obviously some things that have slightly changed today they went out there and people did there's like a shooting range thing there was a paddle tournament right a bunch of stuff going on apparently there's some yoga or something i don't know if i read that correctly or not but yeah there's a whole bunch of stuff going on that people were doing didn't i didn't participate in any of it i had a massage
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Something I could have done there with like Cream or... Yeah. Yeah, okay. How were those interviews?
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
for potty what fucking 20 years after his career ended which is crazy to think about what what are they doing with that they're just going to air that tomorrow or i think these are just going to youtube okay so then they have like little 30 second intro clips for the hall of fame when they when they get announced that's happening tomorrow right yeah so there's a lot going on tomorrow there's like the opening stuff will be like the panel with me uh prof and striker like we did last time but we did the community awards there last time
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
This time I believe that Alex is going to be doing the community awards. So Alex and Donna are doing like the interview stuff. Donna? Donna Spark, yeah.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Nice. Yeah. And then we've got Connor and Freya doing the big presentations.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
Getting shit-faced.
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Episode 121: Train is BACK, reflecting on roster moves, status of the NA scene
That's nice. Well, theirs is much more serious than mine. Right. Mine is just like do what I would normally do. Just say stupid shit.
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Episode 118: Shanghai Major Elimination Stage, Playoff Preview
Oh, you fat bastard. You fat bastard. You're shit.
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Episode 118: Shanghai Major Elimination Stage, Playoff Preview
But why don't we just do 32 teams?
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Episode 118: Shanghai Major Elimination Stage, Playoff Preview
Swiss is meant for a large body of teams. Why don't we do 32 teams Swiss at the same time?
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Episode 118: Shanghai Major Elimination Stage, Playoff Preview
2v2. Rain, he's already lurking around arch side. Snacks has jumped out. He's looking site. He's already scoped in arch. Bang! Headshot on Rain. 2v1 situation. Snacks is low. He goes into the site. Last player's running up short. Bah, bah, bah. Niko appears in library. One dig from library short. Bang!
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Episode 136: IEM Dallas, s1mple hath returned, mouz peak, Falcons shaky, Vitality still haven't lost
It's not actually funny.
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Episode 136: IEM Dallas, s1mple hath returned, mouz peak, Falcons shaky, Vitality still haven't lost
Okay, because, yeah.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: Elle Yes or Elle No
I normally don't pick on Jason and Gino. I just feel bad.
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The Big Suey: Elle Yes or Elle No
I mean, it was a funny joke. That's all it needs to be. If you listen to Mystery Crate, you know.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Anything but that. That's a fate worse than death.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
I'm in Los Angeles this time. I'm not in Lakeland. This should not be happening. Los Angeles should have high-level Wi-Fi.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
I'll do it. It's droopy dog. Is that okay, you happy people? It's gonna be hard to do this happy, but okay. The green of the grass, the bunting on the stands, the bunting on the field. I'm happy. Is that good?
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Are we answering in a different voice every time?
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
You know, I want to tell you, opening day is absolutely about purity and wonderful and beautiful and lovely. This is a voice of the Colorado Buffaloes, Mark Johnson, by the way, who was a professor of mine back in college. We used to try to get him to say phrases in his very, very deep. No, this is it's very, very deep, his very, very deep voice.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
We used to try to get him to say phrases in this voice in our class, like I have a Nickelback CD in my car and things like that. Yeah. Baseball opening day is the most beautiful day for a local television announcer. And because of that, ESPN took our game, and I'm not working today.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
So I ran into, can I tell you a quick Norm MacDonald story? Please. It's opening day, comedy day, Jason.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Me too. So early 2020, before the pandemic, I was doing a college basketball game in Columbus, Ohio. And I was sitting alone. The crew had left. I was in the Columbus airport. And Norm comes walking in. And we get to talking. He's like two tables away. And I love his work. So we get to talking about sports. He asks what I do. I tell him. So he's talking about hockey.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
And we're talking about hockey. And then randomly, he turns to me and he goes, hey, you remember when they caned that kid in Singapore?
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
And I go, I go, yeah, I actually like I remember Michael Fay, right? Like I was that age. He goes, they they still doing that, you think? And I go, what? What? What? I have no idea. He goes, because I I got a weird nephew in Singapore. You you think they're going to cane him?
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
and i so that was it and then he went right back into hockey and so when norm passed i googled like norm mcdonald singapore and norm mcdonald caning just to see if he was kicking the tires on a bit that he had done and he never did it publicly but i'm certain he was just testing it out on me
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
He said a weird nephew? Yeah, I got a weird nephew in Singapore. You think they're going to cane him?
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
yeah i think i'm most excited to see how major league baseball reacts to having a total villain like the dodgers seem to be a total villain like anybody but the dodgers according to everybody who's not a dodger fan and so i i'm interested to see how many games they win first of all because they are a super team to beat all super teams
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
But then what the what this all looks like, you know, I think it with the possible, you know, in two years, the CBA is up. And so the Dodgers are deferring all this money. And I don't even think it's just fans that are like, hey, anybody but the Dodgers.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
I think the league owners, you know, some owners probably privately are like anybody but the Dodgers because we want to have the chance to win as well. So that but I also just think there's a ton of young talent, too. That's fun. And like Paul Steens versus Sandy Alcantara today, like you, you can you can get excited about Pirates Marlins on opening day.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
And I think there's something awesome about that. Uh, so number one for me is what the Dodgers are going to do. And then number two is just the loads of young talent. And then I also think like, I do think the league has nailed it with the, the rule changes. And I think in year three now, uh,
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
seeing how the league either separates or kind of coagulates in the middle on how they decide on how they're going to handle the rule changes. Like the Brewers got themselves to the playoffs with stealing a ton of bags, making a lot of contact last year. So will more teams try that? How does that sort of interplay happen between teams tactically?
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
No, but I do like that it shatters the typical axiom of like you win one, you lose one. And then what you do in the decisive game three of the series is what's going to make or break your season. No, the Dodgers want to sweep you. They want to make your life really miserable for three days and win all the games. But I I personally enjoy everything that can break the typical baseball game. Right.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Like that. I do love the flowery language of Roger Angel. And I do truly love the sort of the pageantry of opening day. But I also like the idea that some teams and some people are just trying to shatter what we've said, you know, like let the ball travel. We heard for so many years and now we know like go out and get the ball because you got to hit home runs.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
So I do think that infusing new ideas into this game is great. But I also, you know, I I don't know how you're going to beat the Dodgers. They're so deep.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
I so my my sixth grade math teacher, Mr. Ewald, did put a poem on the board talking about like shattering expectations. Day one of sixth grade math class. He just put Mr. Ducks. and then Mr. Ducks again, and then like a bunch of random letters. And he was like, you know, you all think this says Mr. Ducks, but it's actually somebody said and am are ducks. Like sort of with a Southern accent.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
And I don't know why I remember that, but I don't do an impression of him. But I do remember like his whole plan was to make us think, oh, you're seeing that. But what you actually should see is this. So I think it actually informs my last answer about Major League Baseball. Thanks for asking, question mark.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
But that's why I'm a problem. That's why I'm a problem. That's why I get texts from Boog after the last time using one word that I can't use on this program.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
I was gonna. See, as a play-by-play announcer, I automatically respond to interplay, and so you're abusing that. You're abusing my yes-andedness, and I don't appreciate it, honestly, and you're going to get a strongly worded letter. No, this is a safe...
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Thank you. Thank you.
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The Big Suey: Dan's Hippoflage (feat. Jason Benetti)
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
We're in a group chat together also. You talk about other things too, not just Rick Hall.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
I was doing a paid read that I had to do for the show. They didn't know it was sponsored? When I said weekend observations are brought to you by? You thought that was just part of the bit? A paid read. Why are you lashing out at the paid read for? Because you called it comedy for Andrew Santino and that's not what it was.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Jason, can you do an impression of the Chicago Pope for us, please?
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Can you do an impression of the Chicago Pope, please?
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Das ist ein guter Punkt, Mann. Das ist verrückt. Der Leiter der katholischen Glauben, Mann. Über ein Billion Menschen auf der ganzen Welt hören zu einem Mann, der sagt, ich weiß nicht, was dieser Benetti-Mann in diesem Spiel macht, Mann. Warte mal. Denkst du, dass der Pope ein Fan von Jim Rohn war?
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Hold on, hold on, let me rebut. SportsCenter, brought to you by Coors Light.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Du musst durchstehen und dann schwingen sie hinter dir.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Ich hasse Saloon-Türen. Sie sind auch nicht für Privatsache da. Sie sind da, um cool zu sehen. Willst du cool zu sehen? Willst du privat sein? Ich glaube, sie sehen cool aus.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Du gehst durch und dann gehst du durch und beobachtest die ganze Welt. Du gehst nicht nur durch.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Let me ask this question. He was resting on the bench. ESPN Analytics, get me this number. Is that the most number of airballs we've ever seen in a playoff game? Everybody was shooting airballs!
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
The Pacers were shooting airballs! The Knicks were shooting airballs! Chalamet was doing airball when he tried to tee up Halliburton there. Tee him up, tee him up, tee him up! Airball!
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
You're a killer and you're not scared of what this moment brings. So let me start by saying, I think it was last year, maybe two years ago, I gave Tyrese Halliburton the nickname The Last Hope. Die Point Guard Position, wie wir es gewohnt haben, ist tot. Es ist eine ältere Religion, die niemand mehr praktiziert.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Und hier kommt Tyrese Halliburton, und er ist eine pure Point Guard, meine Damen und Herren. Versteht nicht, dass es durch die Heroiken und die großen Schüsse gezwungen wird. Er spielt das Spiel, wie die Point Guard Position vorgesehen wurde, nämlich jemand, der die Table für alle anderen setzt. Er hat es gestern Abend gemacht, er hat es das ganze Jahr gemacht.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Und es ist wirklich cool, das zu sehen. Ich glaube, Damian Lillard hätte es wahrscheinlich von tief entfernt. Nicht, dass er nicht in den Rennen kommen kann, aber in der Situation hat er die Selbstvertrauen und die Fähigkeit, zu sagen, ich nehme es einfach von hier. Ich denke, De'Aaron Fox hätte es versucht. Ich weiß nicht, ob er es geschafft hätte.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
John Morant hätte es wahrscheinlich nicht getreten, weil er nicht so stark ein Dreipunkt-Schütze ist. Also es ist nicht so selten, Dan. Ich dachte, es wäre interessanter, dass die Pacers nach dem Time-Out-Spiel waren... Auch wenn wir den Ball in die Verteidigung bringen, sind wir in einer Art Arena-Football-League-Style, wo alle auf der Verteidigung stehen und wir gehen auf.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Und es gibt fünf Leute, die drei schießen können, auch Miles Turner. Das macht es komplexer. Ich denke, es ist eine Kombination von Rick Carlisle und Tyrese Halliburton. Es ist eine tolle Rekognition von dem, was auf dem Platz passiert.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Können wir auf Halliburton einsteigen? Von all den Tagen.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
I like Mike's theory that all of these numbers mean analytics. It's just a guy named Elias. Sitting in the back.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
That's the most important part, Tony, is that they would call you back, but always after you needed it. I'm live on the air right now! I'm on deadline.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Fühlt sich jemand heute besser an als Karl-Anthony Towns? Er hat den Freethrower verpasst, aber niemand spricht darüber. Es geht nur um O.G. Adenovi.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Ich glaube, die Person, die am liebsten ist, ist Halliburton.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Was ist mit John Halliburton? Weil er tanzt und ein Chokesign im Klub macht.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
What if they had lost? That's what he's doing the choke sign for, right? For the Oilers.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Pacers in one. No, I don't know. Es ist so, wie wir es immer sagen.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Ich denke, vor dem Spiel gestern Abend war es schon ein Cointoss für mich. Ich denke, das sind zwei gute Teams, die Jungs haben, die transcendent sind und die Art von defensiven Spielern haben, die du brauchst, um diese Art von Serie zu gewinnen. Sie haben Spiel 1 verloren, die Nixen haben es gewonnen. Ich denke nicht, dass...
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Hopes for this series were sky high entering it, because it had all the makings.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Like a personal text. Jeremy looks like he's on the back nine. The biggest disappointment of my life. I was so excited.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Ich habe seine Pressekonferenz gesehen. Jedes Mal, wenn jemand sagt, dass er nicht mehr in den historischen Bereich geht, dass die Fanbase so engagiert ist, dass wir nichts über Respekt und so weiter haben. Und dann fragt jemand später, wie er sich über Tyrese in der Jokesymbolik fühlt. Und er sagt, Tyrese hat das Recht, alles zu tun, was er will. Das ist etwas kontradiktorisch.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Wir müssen ein Gespräch über den alten Rick Carlisle haben. Oh, er ist zurück! Er war... Erinnert ihr euch, als sie gewonnen haben? Alle sagten, er sei der beste Trainer der Liga. Und dann war es so, er sei ein Idiot. Und jetzt ist er zurück. Oh mein Gott, er könnte der beste Trainer der Liga sein. Wer war das? Das ist derjenige, der Rick Carlisle nicht glaubt.
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The Big Suey: Doug Unfunnie (feat. Jason Benetti)
Lass mich noch mehr mit ihm sprechen. Oh, hey, wie geht's, Dad? Warum glaubst du nicht an ihn? All diese Jahre, ich kann mich noch nicht erinnern, als du mit Rajon Rondo getroffen bist. Was war das denn? Und dann, er und Luca, die haben nicht wirklich zusammengekommen. Und all das.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Can't eat these championships. Yeah.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
And that's where I would enjoy it more, to be honest with you, because as much scrutiny as we give players across every platform in every sport, to me, the architects of these teams don't get called into question as much as they should. Let's find out who the real talent evaluators are.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Let's find out who the guys who are paying $12 million to a guy who's probably worth $35, $40 million because they found a diamond in the rough or they found a good fit. I'd be fine with that across the board.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
So work hard. Dante Bichette.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
The Angels were in town. I took my son to his second baseball game of all time. I sat pretty much in the batter's box for $115. Ron Washington is like six feet away from me. Mike, always going to be my man, Rob Washington. Denied, denied, denied. It's the first time I tried. Hey, come on, man. Who among us hasn't been curious? Exactly. How does this smell?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
So I'm sitting there, and Mike Trout comes up. And I tell him, like, yo, this is like the Mickey Mantle of our generation. So I was like, OK. They're like four pitches. Walk them. Yeah, he gets walked, and then the rain starts, and then we go back into the concourse, and I'm like, damn, this experience really wasn't what I thought it would be.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I think baseball has an issue with accentuating the dopeness and the intricacies. The turning of a double play and how athletic it is, it's kind of what the dunk used to be for us, and then SportsCenter, everybody was like, oh, everybody dunks too much, and now we don't get anybody bodies. We don't accentuate certain things that should be marketed.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I think that's what happens in baseball far too often, and we get these issues.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Dopeness? Dopeness or intricacies?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Your eight-year-old son is a big Mickey Mantle guy? I was trying to give him a frame of reference. You dropped these names on him so that when they're 15, 20 years old.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
The Bob Cousy of baseball. So my little guy's a gymnast. So, hey, Frederick Richard from the University of Michigan, that's what he's like?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Yeah, you don't even know I love that guy. You don't know who the hell he is. He was on Team USA.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
There was no frame of reference. There was no frame of reference. Do it. I dare you. And by the way, another Chicago shot. We're going to have to arm wrestle. Yeah.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Absolutely not. What are you talking about?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
That's why. You're bringing dark clouds over there, man. Exactly. No pun intended. What the hell is going on?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I like the vibe in there right now.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
So, the third market in the country. Defendant. You... The only thing that you had happen that was interesting is being invited to an R. Kelly after party. All the people that you know in the NBA. All the people that you might know in that city. That's what brought its way across your agenda.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
All these years that I've been conversing with you.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
You go to the Pfister Hotel and get cheese curds, and then you're done for the entire— What are you going to do the next 29 days? Go to Summerfest?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I'm going to tell you why.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
We're getting where we need to get now.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Oh, my God. You can go to the art museums. Ride your bike on the lakeshore. You can go on a magnificent mile.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Real cities. Real cities. And you got an airport that closes. It's the second city. It's the third at best. It's the second city because the first one burned down when we were strong enough to build ourselves back up.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
That's why it's the second city. It should have burnt it down a second time.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
We had to put it back together. No, seriously, though. I did not know you felt this strongly about this. Hey, can we do a field trip? Can we do a field trip? I'm in. I'm in. Can you come through?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I have to do a Detroit field trip, too. And I'm going to take you to some actual Chicago places, too. Not just the places where...
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Yeah, no, never that. That's where he went. Really? You went to federales to throw shots at bells? Do we have video of you trying to throw the shot? I mean, is this what it comes back to?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Did you have some deep dish pizza, too? Did you have the thing that no one eats there besides tourists?
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Do you see our deep dish pizza, by the way? Look at the production Pete over here.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Well, I think it's a guy who the only wins that Jerry Jones seemingly is going to get is in these art of the deal moments now, where you look at how he's done things in these face-to-face, give me your handshake, and that should be binding conversations.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I was long put in a position long, long, long ago and told by people who dealt with contracts, if anybody makes you feel funny about the money that you have earned, see it for what it is and keep it moving. Micah Parsons can't keep it moving. You know, you got it.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
You got to take what's on the table, but saying that David Mulligan is not a person that you should have to even have any speaks with any conversation with, nor acknowledging his presence. One that is setting a precedent for all these contracts going forward. Like, Oh, Yeah, if I'm the Rams and I'm talking to somebody who I've drafted, I don't need to talk to their agent.
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Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I don't need to bring in one of the power brokers of the game. He's not winning on the field. Any attention is good attention. I think he still operates under that premise. But the whole art of the deal and the whole negotiation and the whole – you know, oil tycoon and businessman kind of vibe that he is trying to give off. He's still having those wins in his mind.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
And also, please believe when these owners get together and talk like they need to talk without the cameras around, Jerry Jones is walking around with the big stick in his head. So he continues to, you know, go about things this way.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
It's the no disrespect preface. No disrespect, but your baby's ugly. You know what I mean?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
The only way that I can... Well, he thinks he's won some of them, though. He thought he won the Tony Romo one. And by the way, these are all the face-to-face... Tony Romo. We don't need... How long ago is that? Tony Romo, Demarcus Lawrence, who else?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Yeah, but that's the thing, though. As long as you can go back and harken back to a day that you won one of these, the next one is the one you think you're going to win. And with Micah Parsons, if you were going to give him the highest non-quarterback contract in the league anyway... You saying, I don't want to talk to your agent is just you drawing a line that's not necessary.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I mean, you see it in relationships all the time where it's like, I'm going to do this, but I'm going to do it my way and on my time. And his way and his time has a little bit, you know, there's constrictions and confinements to it that you got to get this thing going. And the more that we talk about this and the more it's public, I mean, the two sides are going to come to an agreement. It's just.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
how much angst do you want to put upon your organization and your fan base, and especially a player now who, you know, signing a deal that you don't feel good about and then going to have to perform, the three games in a row that you don't get pressures, you're going to think, damn, did I make a mistake? Was this the right thing to do? Do these people still revere and care about me? It's nasty.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Their situation is different, though. Cincinnati's situation is different. I think Jerry resetting the market for three different positions in the span of, what, three or four years? I think he has to go back to the owners and go, hey, man, I fought. You saw how much I fought. I know we got to sign these jerks, but I fought. With the Bengals...
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Well, just to cover the Bengals, Rams, Super Bowl, the stories that I heard about how that team still travels, how that team still eats, how that team still goes about their business. Like this is ingrained. Hey, listen, we don't do this. Your name is Trey Hendrickson and we might lose with you. We take what you can get. And this is what you can get.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I think it's a different lens that the Bengals and Katie, like you mentioned just now, whose name is just like Jackie. Katie Blackburn.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I think they're looking at this through different lenses.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
They might lose the game.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Yeah, that's when Katie Blackburn's like, hey, man, you lost and got our heads beat in with you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Kind of tells you what the environment is, though, of the people that you are bouncing things off of and conferring with. Right. The ecosphere is different for you now. You know, like now that you're removed from the situation and you take a look from a zoomed out perspective and you're part of the media now. We have different environments that we talk about these things.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
If I'm in a boardroom and I'm sitting here like, hey, we were terrible on defense last year with this guy. Oh, yeah, we were. And then there's another. Oh, yeah, we were. Yeah, he should be happy about what he's getting. And then you're surrounded by, hey, you know what? Good talk. Let's go to lunch. Oh, by the way, on the way to lunch, a microphone gets stuck in your face.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Hey, what the hell is going on with Trey? Hey, you know what? Damn it. Rob in the meeting said that you should be happy about this money. And I don't care how it comes out. This is what it is. Like – We act as if like rich people and people who cut checks for rich people aren't different in their thinking.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
And when they become different in their thinking and verbalize it, we're like, wait a minute. Did the ultra rich person or the person who has the ultra rich person's checkbook in their hand going to be different? No, no. We see like a lot of these organizations have zombies walking around them. Just whatever you say is fine. Whatever you say is good.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
I thought that was going to steer back into the direction of, hey, bring up some other North Carolinian basketball player that you shouldn't care about.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
Nope. You know what we call that?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
We call that a landline. A landline. I miss banging the phone. Oh, my God.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 1: The Dopeness of the Intricacies
The ultimate form of disrespect. BSPN. Communication-wise. BSPN. Oh, it's a subtle one, too. It was like a drop on the line. Yeah. It wasn't a bang. It was like, you know what? I'm done with this pity conversation. BSPN. That's nasty. Jay Billis, man. Cowboy. Don't play around with Jake. Hey, all them cheesy lyrics he recites? I gotta go to work. Alright, let's get the basketball perspective.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
So I don't know how this is ever going to work out in his favor, except for the people who are telling him it looks cool on the outside.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, but there's people who have come from rough backgrounds who get out of that and then realize, you know what, not only do I not want to go back, I don't want to even, like for instance, Isaiah Thomas. You know where Isaiah Thomas is from? Absolutely. Absolutely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, the original Isaiah Thomas. For whatever reason, you make it to Detroit, you make it to the University of Indiana, and you say, you know what? This is what I'm going to focus on. Basketball is key. And then you run into the bad boy image and all this other stuff. But at some point, you know... Like with LaMelo Ball, like John Morant, like Zion Williamson, extremely gifted, talented dudes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
But at what point do you say to yourself, this is hindering the progress of whatever I'm trying to accomplish? Because, you know, in the end, you can't have it as a league. There's certain things you just can't have. And on top of it, especially in this league, where the little hint of violence might sway certain people who have marketing dollars.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
of the participants are playing Call of Duty, especially on a day like today when Redance Mac has dropped back in our lives. There's a relationship that is weird there where, remember when Kobe was a part of the Call of Duty commercials back in the day? There's this, hey, This is the culture.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
This is what we breed in this country in terms of loving guns and making sure that your rights aren't being infringed upon. Just don't do it where a little white kid sitting courtside might be influenced by it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I'm a realist. You want pie in the sky. You want all things, you know, seashells and balloons. It's not like that. And the moment that you get out of that world and get back into the reality of David Sampson and the great people here at the Dan Lebitard Show. You're a star.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
He tried to let you know you don't know this sport the way he does.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
He ushered you in. You know, he is your baseball shirt for taking you to that mountaintop, and you're flailing, wanting, you know, bobbleheads and toys and all the, you know, the accoutrement. I like accoutrement. Sometimes.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
It got handsome. We have to have VMI has changed on the show a little bit, but the show's a lot more handsome.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
A little baritone. A little bass in my voice. The first episode of the Black McAfee show here. Who's going to wear the tank top? I'm here now. Oh, man.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
You can pull off a mullet, Roy. I'm in. I've been following Roy forever. I guess I'll leave. No, no, no, no. We need you, Jess. No, no, no, no, no. You make things, you know, palatable. Oh, yeah, balanced for sure.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
That's why.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Well, you know, I try to stay away from the suburbs. I try to. I try to, you know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Cody mentioned it, and I was like, uh-oh. There's another thing on this show that I don't know the reference to. Damn good sandwich.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I can go anywhere in Pilsen. I can go to anywhere in Humboldt Park, the areas that are close to me, and get an actual one with more quality control than Denny's. Shout out to Denny's. I don't know if they're a sponsor, so I don't want to go first.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
So is Denny's like an after party kind of vibe?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Oh, yeah. We got greasy spoons. You know what I mean? And you can't get shot at at Denny's. I'd like to go somewhere where there's a little bit of danger.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, IHOP. Yeah, I have been to IHOP. Last time I was at IHOP, I was a kid, and then we dined and ditched, unfortunately. Which is always the uncomfortable, who's going to be the last person at the seat kind of vibe. Enough time's passed. I think you're good. Yeah, statute of limitations.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Shut the front door. Yo, Jess, yo. This is the oracle. Like, there's information that I get from Jess that I didn't know I needed. You know, Cody, Jess, you know, you got Bam out of Biostats back there from Jam.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
It's all right.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
And I knew it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I try to whisper the words that I don't know or don't know how to pronounce or names that I don't know. So I was going to go with Jackie. Bam out of bio. Yeah, I was going to go with Jackie. I was going to go real small. You know what I mean? You look like a Jackie. Jackie. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You go outside. Hey, that's my man, Jackie. That's fly. That's a fly name.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I'll take Jackie. Yeah. It looks like he's always got some mid on him. You know what I mean? I'm down. Jackie with the mid.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah. You look like Jackie with the mid. He's got his nice over shirt on. You know what I mean?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
For sure. Shacket bro for sure. Oh, that's what it's called. I thought it was an over shirt. No, it's a shacket. Jess, where were you when I needed your guidance just now? I'm sorry.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Who's that? Jackie with the mid? This is Jeremy. Oh, I thought you were talking about Jackie.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Yeah, he did completely.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I think we're going to stumble on an HR problem. They don't have that, don't worry.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Good catch there, Dominique.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
There's different pressure on women than there are on men. In front of a camera, behind a microphone. I saw you guys getting touched up with makeup. I didn't know that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I found that every shirt that I've worn over the last couple of days has gotten, you know, some kind of commentary.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Jess, I got two outfit changes for every day down here.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Exactly. And that's just because I was locked up. That's the only reason. No, thank you, Jess. Can I have Jess be with me wherever I go from here on out?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Thank you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
So you're mad that fans are actually coming to the stadium on time. This is a shock to you.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I don't know.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I think it's even beyond that. Bryson DeChambeau, you could argue, is now the most popular golfer in the world. Period. And there's rumors that he would even leave Live and go back because he's basically made a pot from it. His public perception, he had zero social cost. He had a social benefit from reinventing himself on YouTube and not being on the PGA Tour every week.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
I want to explore David's damp bottom some more. I probably shouldn't have said that sentence at the beginning of the introduction today. Internet lives forever. Exactly. Clip it.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Well, you know, we're old, David. Yeah, all three of us. And Dominique. So what we see now more so is when people are taking pictures, young people especially, some of them like to make the handgun gesture and, you know, let you know that, you know, I keep it loaded even though no one is shooting anyone with handgun gestures. The problem I have with it is who has John Morant seen this work for?
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
Right. Like like after a while, you got to you got to study the behavior and think, oh, I've seen this work for Jordan. I've seen this work for LeBron. And even if you don't want to be those people, look at Isaiah Ryder's career, like look at certain careers where you're like, oh. Maybe I want to stay away from this.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
And if his goal is to make as little money off the court as possible, then knock yourself out, player. But I don't get it. You know, I got an eight-year-old son. I try to teach him certain things. I'm sure John Moran's dad has tried to teach him certain things.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Black McAfee Show (feat. David Samson & Jason Goff)
But once a guy gets this position and has been emboldened by as much money and also the talent that he carries and the impact that he has on that city, you just got to hope he grows out of certain things. But the gun gesture thing – I mean, I remember when Chris Webber was doing a throat slash, and people were upset with that.
The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Batman Logo (feat. Sam Morril)
Wow. Yesterday's show was so good. It was a top three show. According to Jason.
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
1.
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
Hi, so to touch on a couple of things you just said. I, for one, don't speak robot good. So Alexa and I have a love-hate relationship. I tell her I love her and then she tells me she hasn't figured out what love is yet. I'm not too worried about that. The movie I, Robot is an interesting movie where we had cops for robots and
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
So as long as I don't start seeing robots in the street and make a decision, I understand it, but it doesn't mean I have to love it and like it. I can respect it. At the same time, Glenn, I was with an Amish person today and we went to fix a shed. And so we were just talking about losing a hat or not having it, depending on technology, because as a truck driver, we use the GPS all the time. Well,
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
A lot of people don't know how to use a GPS. And they don't know how to use a Randy McNally app. So you take those equations and you look at what the Amish have evolved to, to what we've evolved to. There's two different worlds of technology there. So just common sense. You've got to have common sense.
The Glenn Beck Program
Bud Light Insider Reveals What Led to Dylan Mulvaney Controversy | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
If you don't have common sense, like you said, you're just going to be relying on robots and machines to do everything for you.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
Hi, so to touch on a couple of things you just said. I, for one, don't speak robot good. So Alexa and I have a love-hate relationship. I tell her I love her and then she tells me she hasn't figured out what love is yet. So I'm not too worried about that. The movie I, Robot is an interesting movie where we had cops for robots.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
So as long as I don't start seeing robots in the street and making decisions... Ich verstehe es, aber das bedeutet nicht, dass ich es lieben muss und es mag. Ich kann es respektieren. Am gleichen Zeit, Glenn, war ich heute mit einem Amish und wir sind ein Schatten fixiert.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
Wir haben gerade darüber gesprochen, ob man ein Hat verliert oder nicht, abhängig von der Technologie, weil als Fahrradfahrer benutzen wir den GPS immer. Viele Leute wissen nicht, wie man einen GPS benutzt. Und sie wissen nicht, wie man einen Randy McNally Hat benutzt. Ja.
The Glenn Beck Program
Best of the Program | Guest: Anson Frericks | 2/20/25
So, you take those equations and you look at what the Amish have evolved to, to what we've evolved to, there's two different worlds of technology there. So, just common sense. You've got to have common sense. If you don't have common sense, like you said, you're just going to be relying on robots and machines to do everything for you.
The LOL Podcast
Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
The loved one? Did you actually meet in kindergarten? Yeah, so she was on the playground, and I was like, dang, she's so cute.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Anyways. And I was like, let me get your number. She was like, I don't have a phone yet. Really? No.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, I'm the youngest person here. No, you're not. I don't turn 16 until May, so I have two months. You're 15? Yes. Wait, you can't drive? No. I got dropped off by my mom, dude. That's crazy. I got dropped off by my mom, dude.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I don't have a ride back. I'm still trying to find one. That's nice. Well, if you need a ride, go back with that.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Fiery. It's very unique. Fiery. Fiery. Yeah. Fiery.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Me? Yeah. I just love it. Can we see? It's low-key corny, but the last episodes were really good. Cobra Kai is corny. I watched that show. I said, what am I watching? No. I can do a flip. Do you want a flip? Okay.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
well what was the question i asked you uh about feelings oh no no no i'm talking about way way way before oh i said what what inspired you to start videoing harper okay okay y'all wanna hear my life story with it okay yeah yeah yeah life story wow yes yeah it's his life story so no there's a lot more to it than just like i asked for a photo okay so when i was like in fourth grade i've always wanted to like make content right like used to make youtube channel and i had i made one of those you ever like wanted to know the lyrics to a song you looked up on youtube like lyrics too and then you
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
That's the only thing I used YouTube for I didn't realize that people like scrolled through shorts Yeah, so I used to do that and then I made a bunch of those I got like a million views on one of them I used to when I was like 10 and then background but back when I met Harper and then I got like a million views I got a million views on YouTube. Yeah, and then I started doing like other stuff.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I was just post random It was so cool. It was like how to voice crack like stupid things like that and And then I quit because I got really sad about it. Can you show us how to do that? No, no, no.
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Maybe later. Let me first story. Maybe later.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I'm sure you got it. And then in like in like seventh grade I started making like tick-tock you see like those tick-tock shop ads Oh, yeah, so sick our shop ads and I got like 20,000 subscribers 20,000 Followers on tiktok on that account and I dropped you're not really educated in the things.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
I'm sorry and then I I started jump shipping and then after all that I was like I wanted to like get more like like famous in a way, if that makes sense. So I was, I was at church. So, um, I was going to, I don't know if you Catholic or wait, you want to be famous. So you're at church. This goes into, this goes into it. Okay. So I was at church and I went to confessions.
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It's something that Catholics do. Um, I'm not feeling that. Yeah. Okay. So then, um, after that, I felt like I was feeling better about myself. And then I prayed the next day at church. I was praying like, like for something to work out. Like, I don't know what it was like anything. Cause I know what to do, but for something to work out. And the very next day,
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Someone told me the Harper was moving the candy.
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Oh, oh, yeah, try not to touch it All right the very next day My bad for the yap session, but the very next day The next day
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All right, so once over was moving to Canada and I was like And I was like I was like they can I talk and I was like all right um I want to ask you for a photo if she's moving to Canada cuz I like Yeah, I thought she was seriously moving like permanently and I was like okay, well she's someone famous I want to get a picture so I asked her she thought no I was messing with her, but I actually I seriously wanted a photo.
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No, I swear. I promise. You're a little fan. I shouldn't swear. That's bad.
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No, my friend was like, you should record it and post it. I was like, no way. It's a good idea.
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Yeah, I know. But we videoed it. It got like 30 million views and then just turned into a whole thing.
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So this is happening and then I was in class one day so this is a big story I was in class one day and then this girl was like She was talking to me about something about God right and she changed my whole perspective on like how I thought about something about like how I view God and everything else and And that very same day, my friend texted me.
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He was giving me free tickets to the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fight. And I ended up going with another friend. His name is Isaac. He does YouTube. And he pushed me to do YouTube videos. But I ended up going with him. We both got a bunch of videos. So after that, I just kept on filming. And, like, so then I started a YouTube channel. Then I started Twitch.
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And then I've been grinding for the past, like, two weeks. And then that's the whole story. That's where I'm at right now. So you do Twitch now? I just started, like, two weeks ago. But I have, like, a whole separate account for, like, clips and stuff and YouTube. It's just a whole thing. Wow. Man, it's working. I spend a lot of my hours in my life editing and stuff.
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It's something today happened that was so crazy. Okay, so it's in my room, right and I was like nervous like why are you being self-centered?
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Yeah, it's sorry All right, so I was in my room and I was like super nervous like about like this I was like, no, I was mainly scared they were nervous to go in that podcast. Okay.
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So, um... No, I actually forgot they were there, dude. Yeah, it is. I was literally telling y'all what was going on. Okay. Yeah. So... What was I at? You were nervous in your room. Yeah, I was super scared. Practicing your voice. I was, like, thinking, like, what if I go there and I don't act like myself? I was thinking, what if I go there and I don't act like myself and stuff?
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So then I'm sitting there thinking about it, and then I look at my phone.
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No, I don't know. Maybe this is yours. I don't know. I'm so sorry for you mad.
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All right No, no, no, it's not mine and look at my phone and I got I got I got a notification from this group chat It was my priest he said a Bible verse to the to the group chat that my church has And the first thing that said it was like Luke it was chapter 12 verse 1 to 7 It just said don't be afraid and then there was like dots like you have to press on today Yeah, while I was thinking in my room like ow, I'm so scared like yeah Oh
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Except for the wood. I got wood on the wall. Hey, yo, Matt built that.
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So what is doing like, I don't know, not like, how does one like being like trustworthy to someone? Like,
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How does that make you feel? It actually might be yours, just two.
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And I was just surprised. It doesn't, like, affect me. I don't know.
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Yeah, the football. And I'm a track. Football.
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I do high jump, and then I was in the 4x1, 4x2, and the 100, but I got put on varsity for high jump, and you can't like... You did all of those?
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Yeah, why do you got a problem with everything?
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Yeah, why do you got a problem with everything?
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Y'all see this? I deal with this every day. This is... Like, seriously. Yeah, I don't know how he does it, honestly.
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Maybe if Harper wasn't on it, then you can work something out.
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Who said that? So now you're lying about me, and you're making a problem.
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Is that a bad thing, too? You guys over there? That's what I was scared of.
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You can. Sorry, I won't look at the TV. No, no, no. Stop looking at the TV.
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Why is she making an issue with everything? I don't know, but I don't understand. Can we switch seats, bro? No, that's okay. Why are you trying to get away from me?
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Oh, yeah. So it's not Harper. It's the seat that smells bad? No, it's... Why would you say I smell bad?
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Okay, but when I open my mouth, it's a big problem. Yeah, be quiet.
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We picked out one of the singular tables and we sat on it together.
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Sephora to get her some new perfume. Oh, my God.
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Like, what do you mean like on TikTok? Oh, here's a good one.
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question i'll keep looking wait i want to know what you are passionate about me yeah singing oh yeah don't you want to become a singer no i'm asking you dude oh my bad sorry no aren't don't you want to become a singer because when we were in seventh grade you sent me a video of you singing oh my gosh that was so fire yeah you sent her a video of you wait was it like a was it like a love song i just learned um you know say you want to go yeah i learned on my guitar say you want to go like that
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Oh, yeah. Bring that baby in here. I can tune it. I got an app.
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Harper’s BOYFRIEND Comes On The Podcast!
Just play with it untuned. All right. I got you. Untuned? I'll be able to tell the talent. Can I play the song that I sang to Harper? Yeah. Yeah.
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A man that can play the guitar. Wow. This is the song that I sang. I'm not going to sing it.
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That was already good. Wait. I messed it up.
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Feastables. What do I do with this? That's a good answer. This? Let me see. Let me see it.
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We got sophomore homecoming, whatever it's called.
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I was trying to make a video of Baby Gronk, and then we missed it.
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No, he didn't say that. He didn't say that. He didn't say that. He didn't say that. You can't read some of these out loud.
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Wait, bucket list? Read them all out loud. All right.
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Visit several wonders of the world. Wait, read the big one. Read the big one.
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Read the big one. The one with three lines.
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I don't know. I just like put it one day sit at the edge of a tall building in New York Oh my gosh, can you stop making it do it like we're having fun learn how to speak Arabic aren't you Arabic?
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No, but seriously, why are you, like, saying all this stuff? Can I copy and paste that low-key?
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Oh, my gosh. Stop making everything so annoying.
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Honestly? Okay. What do you like about him? Let me go first. Honestly, I can't think of anything right now. It's okay. Just don't touch the mic. Yeah, there you go. You're making me so mad. I can't think of anything right now. Like, seriously.
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No, that's not really how the game is supposed to be played.
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I mess with the hair. There you go. It's different.
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Okay, say something emotional. All right, emotional. She has really good, like, she's really good at not having a high temper.
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I played it when I was five. Oh, like you, okay, I know what you're talking about. I know it's called memory match, what?
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Probably, like, the homey that didn't get sent is gonna see this. Someone named, like, Ethan. He's my English.
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Don't really I'm not like really friends anybody at school. I guess like acquaintances.
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She's been trying to talk for, like, two minutes. Y'all keep interrupting. Yeah, that's what we really do on this show, honestly.
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Yeah, I didn't see that on your bucket list, so I was kind of concerned. Oh, my bad. It goes under the Be Famous. It's all stacking up. All in one.
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Yeah, what is she? Is she not the same age, pretty much? Yeah, but we don't hang out like that.
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or than uh social media me yeah besides like sports not really wait like harper harper said you bought a car Yeah, from all the TikToks. Paid off. Me too. That's cool.
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I posted it on my story and I said, thanks, Harper. Yeah, that's so nice. It was a very heartfelt moment.
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No, she said no problem. Actually, yeah, and then and then you texting me like a robot. Look, let me read it Frank It was like save it after though. She was texting me like a robot. Look. Oh She goes, um, no problem. And then I said, well, I mean y'all you're really swiping y'all must text a lot Yeah, and then she said, um, you got that money from the guy said yeah, she goes I'm so proud of you.
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That's amazing with an exclamation mark It was just like a robot text though
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Don't plug your mic back in. No, I'm good. Don't do that. All right. You don't want to, like, say your social or anything? Can I play some outro music? No. No, we'll get copyrighted. Oh, okay. All right.
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The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
Hey, Rachel. I'm a big fan. It's a real honor to speak with you. Thanks so much for taking my call.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
So I recently got engaged. My fiance and I are both 36 years old. We're looking to start a Brady Bunch. We've got five kids between 10 and 12 between us.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
Yeah, I have twin sons who are 11, and she has a 10-year-old, 11-year-old, and 12-year-old.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
Yeah, it's been really fun. So the reason I'm calling is because we have a pretty large difference in assets. And I think based on your advice, the advice would be that we should get a prenup. So I have roughly $12 million, and she has roughly $50,000. And so we started the process of looking into a prenup and it's been an emotional one. And I totally understand why.
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You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
And I think especially like we went through a questionnaire talking together about it. But then when we got the first draft back from my lawyer, that's when she's really not been feeling good about it. And I understand the concern. So, I mean, she feels like. I wouldn't be fully entering the marriage in the same way that she is.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
Cause it feels like I'm holding assets, uh, like separately off to the side. Um, and I'm sensitive to that. And especially in some of the contexts of her, um, former relationships. And so I'm just looking for maybe more clarity and, uh, like what you guys would recommend.
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You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
Yeah. Yes. And I think especially like, you know, her kids as well, too. And it's something that I want to address. And I think we could address like in a will or like some other document or method after we get married. And it's something that I want to do. Like, I absolutely would want her and her kids to be taken care of, too, if something, you know, didn't happen to us.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
I think it also it feels very condescending to her that like the either she and I don't see it being a problem for her at all. Like, my goal in this, and I think that's what your advice is, is that in our case, that I know is rare, it would help protect our marriage. And that's what I want to do.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
But I totally understand that she feels it's condescending, like, to her and her family and her friends that they might be a problem and that we would need this to, like, protect against them.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
So there's nothing currently built in like that. Other than that, it's pretty basic. So everything we enter into the marriage with is separate property, except she has a small amount of debt, and she's been awesome about eliminating debt, especially the situation she came from. I don't want her to carry it all. We would just pay it off.
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You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
um and then everything after the date of the marriage is shared so income that i make or she made we just share it um our plan is that she would stop working she'd be able to be home with all these kids does that include interest on the 12 million like as that grows or does any growth on that 12 million remain yours yeah so at least as it's currently structured the growth in that would remain mine i think we have talked about it's not in the document but like if i were to stop working to also help
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
With the kids, which would be an option, like the income that we drew from that would be considered our income.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
Yeah. And then the only other additional part is we're planning to get a house and I was just going to buy the house. We title it in both of our names. I just consider it community property.
The Ramsey Show
You Won't Win With Money If You're Not Aligned With A Plan
Yeah. Yeah, it totally makes sense. And that is how we want to live going into the marriage.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Okay. And that is my thought. Do whatever it takes.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Yeah, so I want to try to be succinct and not really reveal too much, but as much as I can.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Do we need to be careful in how we ask follow-up questions?
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Oh, maybe it's not. Anything you need to ask. Okay. Basically, me and my fiancée are getting married. We're just doing a one-on-one ceremony, me and her, in about a month. And we had decided... to fund this ourselves. And our budget was around 10 to $12,000. Um, in the initial discussions, I was going to bring X amount of money. Um, she was going to bring a significant portion.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
So I was going to bring around $2,500. She was going to cover the rest. Um, when we had this discussion, when we planned this, I had decided, um, or excuse me, I had budgeted based on projected income for the month of January and how much margin I would have in my budget.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Um, that did not come to fruition and it's created a strain because I'm not able to contribute the portion that I thought I would be able to. I'm in a very tight budget right now. Um, I will follow that up with, um, I am bringing debt into this marriage from the second, uh, We've even discussed marriage. She's had a full look into my finances. She sees what I spend. There's no nothing hidden.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
And we have agreed that when we combine our finances, when we get married, that we're going to do the marriage we plan to bring the debt to attack the debt that I'm bringing into the marriage. So a couple of things, there is a lot of shame and guilt on my end too. And on her end, I think there might be some not necessarily resentment building, but, I don't want that to happen.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
And yesterday there was kind of some expression of that.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Yes, yes, and that's kind of the question. All right, second question.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Yeah, I don't understand. This was kind of the dream that she had and what we had thought we could budget for. And so there's been deposits placed, airline tickets placed, thin money already spent. That would be really hard to sort of bring up. Okay, so hold on a second. Hold on.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Well, no, it's still affordable, just the portion that I was supposed to afford. I just don't understand, George, why we're spending $12,000.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
Well, that's exactly my question. We can do it, and per our conversation last night, the sort of thought is just get it done. But my question is more relational. I don't want there to be any harbored resentment. or doubt from her because I was not able to uphold my end of the bargain.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
As far as I know, absolutely not, no. And 100% transparency, no.
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
and I think that's worth a second conversation with her okay and that's the shame that I'm feeling as well and that's and I guess I just
The Ramsey Show
Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
I do two things. I'm a field inspector and I sell real estate and a field inspection job is my main source of income. Um, I was, I make basically just enough to pay my bills to get by with that. And then real estate, I switched brokerages, um, back to a brokerage that I have been affiliated with before.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
So, um, when I made this change, we discussed it and said, Hey, you know, I can either focus my attention at this real estate, and see the benefits from that three to six months from now, I've done that before. I know what it looks like, or I can in the immediate and the next three months go get a job doing whatever on the side to stack cash for this elopement.
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Normal Is Broke and in Debt. Do You Want To Be Normal?
And we decided that the first option was, was how I would proceed. Um, there was about a 15 or about, excuse me, a $2,000 job through this field inspection job that I do that was anticipating and told what happened in January and that money was earmarked for the elopement and that work never came to fruition through the company that I'm working with.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Well, the funny thing about that is the founding elder said, of that church taught us this. Bill Smith believed this. A lot of this was the teaching on the kingdom. I think a good way to see it, because it is kind of like in the songs we sing and a lot of the stuff that forms our imagination of heaven, Most of it, I think, is directionally challenged.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
A lot of what we grew up singing, what I mean by that is that we kind of flip the direction. We think that it's us going there. And really, probably the more biblical picture is heaven coming here. You see that really even in what's happening here in this moment in John 1. I mean, Christ is here. He did. He condescended. And if you look back at the scripture, it seems to be the other way around.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Whenever it's like the Tower of Babel, that's man trying to go to God. It just doesn't work. That's not how the direction is always God coming to man. It's always heaven coming here. It's not the other way around. And I think that's what's being accomplished in this institution of Jesus's ministry.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Cause you gotta think, I mean, he's been rolling around for what, 30 years before he even starts the ministry. But this is the, this is the beginning of the ministry, but you see, you see even the spirit of God coming. You see heaven like opening up and that, that picture there, you know, heaven, I think can mark the, the,
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
yeah they're cut they can't even see well but you have to you're wearing orange jumpsuits out in the woods this is so anti what i'm doing i mean i don't but those guys but i will say the guys that hike up into the the wilderness of alaska or in the hills of colorado and they those guys or they quarter the deer out or they quarter the elk out and then they That's a different story.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
The word is schizo, which it's the same word that's used when it's talking about the tearing of the veil, you know, Jesus's resurrection or his death. And it's ripping open. So heaven's ripping open. The spirit of God is like is coming down out of heaven onto the sun. And then the voice from heaven comes down onto the sun and says, this is my son whom I'm well pleased. So that direction changes.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Always seems to be from God to us, not from us to God.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
That's why I brought this guy up on multiple podcasts, but it's so important to what we're talking about. It's that Michael Heiser's work is what he, the point he makes in his book, The Unseen Realm, is that when you said that heaven and earth used to be together, that there was a divine council that worked in conjunction with humanity to accomplish and implement the will of God.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
It wasn't separate until the fall. And so what God's bringing back is the bringing back to heaven and earth the accomplishment of his will. Dallas Willard kind of points this out a lot in his work, that when Jesus said, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven, That's evidence that Christ at least saw these two things intertwined. It wasn't a separate thing.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
We see this played out in 2025 in a thing called the secular-sacred divide, meaning that there's a sacred world and there's a secular world. But in God's economy, no, it's all sacred. It's all His. It's all His. And I think that that's what we have a hard time with. Probably you're teaching on this, Jace. It's It's hard to box in what you're saying, which makes me nervous.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
It makes us nervous because if what we're teaching here is true, then you cannot contain the kingdom of God. You cannot contain God. It's what Solomon said in 1 Kings 8 after he built the temple for God to live in. He said, surely God's not going to live in a temple that I built. Surely my hands can't build something to contain God. who created the cosmos.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
And the answer to Solomon would be like, yeah, you're right. You're not going to contain him. That to me is probably the hardest part for us to get emotionally and intellectually in every capacity is that when we understand the kingdom is here now, and it really prevents us from being able to contain it into some kind of structure that we can build.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
I think that's helpful to understand that, that heaven – was created. We don't think about that a lot. We think heaven is just a place where God lives, but heaven was actually a creation.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Where's it at?
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
But go ahead, Zach. Well, I was just going to say, as you guys were talking, I was thinking, what in the world does this have to do with John 1? And the answer is everything. Because when Jesus, when John says, I baptize you with water, but the one coming after me, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit. And I mean, we've said it before. I'll say it again.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
This is not talking about when people speak in tongues. That's not what this means. And I know that's going to probably rub some people the wrong way, but if you believe that, here's my challenge to you. You're thinking too small. You're thinking way too small. This is bigger. This is about God coming to make His home in man.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
To be baptized with the Spirit, it's not like an outpouring of some kind of evidence. It's not even like a gift of the Holy Spirit. When you talk about Acts 2, the gift of the Holy Spirit, that's God making His home in humans now. That's what the whole thing means. Why is the temple, why is your body a temple according to Paul? Why is your body the temple? Because it's where the Holy Spirit lives.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
So when you get through John, we'll get to John 14, but that's the whole thing Jesus is kind of getting up to when he gets to John 14. He's like, look, it's for your good that I go away. Now, we hold Christ up as high as we can possibly get him. Christ is as high as, I mean, he's exalted. And I mean, he is supreme. He's preeminent.
Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
But when Christ himself says, it is good that I go away, we probably need to pay attention to why. Why is it good, Christ, that you would go and ascend to the Father and not be here walking around with us? Why is that good? It's good because he says, if I don't go, then he won't come. Well, who is he talking about? The Holy Spirit. And when the Holy Spirit comes, he's going to live inside you.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
That's John 14. He's going to make his home in you. He's going to guide you into all truth. It is the ultimate connection. It is the fulfillment. All this stuff that we're reading about in John 1 says, He's Elijah. There's all this new Exodus language or all this overlaying of the Old Testament. What does it all mean?
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
It all means that God is going to accomplish his ultimate goal, which is he's going to dwell with his people. It's going to happen no matter what. He will win.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Can you get me preferential treatment on the hand grab into the name and drawing? No.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
They were looking for, they were looking for, for this figure.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Some level.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
What's interesting is, Jase, I may actually drop by because I'm thinking about going up to Arkansas for a retreat for the 6th to the 8th, a men's retreat. It ends on the 8th. I may drive over.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Zach, you will be the foil for Jason's speech. I will be. If I show up, now that I know what my role is going to be.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
What you're seeing in my translation says it's a necessity for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness. And so when you think about – which I equate that to more than just like our own atonement. It is that. But it's also more than that. I think that there's a whole lot in here in the Old Testament about – when you get to Malachi.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
If you just read Genesis to Malachi and you have no concept of Jesus whatsoever, and then – we were to do like a book report on it, we probably would say, this thing's not going to work out really well, guys, because not on the part of God. He seems to always be faithful in the covenant.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
But the problem that they have in this Genesis through Malachi narrative is that the people seem to always break the covenant with this very benevolent God. I don't know how this is going to ever work. And so whenever Jesus gets this baptism, because you're 400 years after that realization, there's nothing, nobody's talking anymore.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
All of a sudden, we have a prophet, not a prophet according to him, but a prophet-like figure in John the Baptist on the scene interacts with Jesus. And Jesus says, I think what he's saying there when he says this is a necessity for us to do this to fulfill our righteousness.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
I think what he's saying there is like, I'm about to fulfill this covenant, but it's going to have nothing to do with your ability to to basically be good enough. And I'm going to do that by becoming the temple myself.
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I'm going to become a cornerstone of a new temple, and then all you people that would come in and receive me, you're going to be living stones that will be built upon me, the cornerstone of that temple. I think that righteousness, making it all right, getting it all together, I think Jesus is like, this is the beginning of that. We have to do this in order for this whole plan to unfold.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
I had a guy show up at church on Sunday from, I think, Indiana. And as I walk in, I was trying to introduce myself to people I don't know. Hey, I'm Zach. Welcome. Y'all from that area? No, we're from Indiana, but we watched the podcast. And he said, man, I like to see your shoulders are so broad because all that just whipping you take from Jace. He said, you can handle it, though, can't you?
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
And the problem with how we view that statement too often is we only view it through the lens of... He paid for the sin, which he did. But he's also doing something when he takes away the sin of the world because of the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer. What the Bible teaches is that you will be progressively released from the power of sin in your life by the power of the Holy Spirit over time.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
And so he's not just removing the guilt of it. He's also removing the power of it. Literally, He's taking the sin out of your life. Meaning, as you grow in your faith, you should quit sinning as much because you should be conformed to His image. And so the things that used to have grip over me or power over me as I walk in the Spirit, that grip is gone. Greatly reduced.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
And at some point in the future, it's going to be completely eradicated at our glorification. So you see the vision there is not just to release from the guilt of sin. It is that. It's also to be released from the power of sin. And one day it's going to be released from the presence of sin. So he's taking away the sins of the world. It's more than just our justifications.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
It's our sanctification and our glorification.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
I've been a Christian for however long. I've been there for 20-something years. If I ask the question, does the same sin have a grip on you when you were 18? Have you had victory? Do you desire the same sinful things you desired at 18, or have you changed quite a bit?
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
I said, I can handle it. I think people are too sensitive to go back to you. I think they love it now. They're starting to understand our love language. I mean, I think at first they were like, wait, what? But I think as they sat in the conversation, they realized that this is the family dynamic.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Are you going to bring this up at your men's group when you speak? If you come, I'll bring it up.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
I seriously might roll over there, Chase.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
the challenge that's that put it in context and i'll live with it so whatever they're saying guess what it's called a guilty conscience i think well it was funny because i was they were they were actually texting me while they were sitting sitting in a deer stand so they were like hey i was listening to jace you know so what are you doing right now i'm a deer hunter i tried to call him i said what do you i said i can't talk i'm deer hunting i said are you sitting down they're like yeah so i mean
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
The word on the street, Jace, is you have angered a whole segment of the population with your disrespect of the deer hunters. I just wanted to report back. I don't know who all is angry. I do know I have one friend that called me that was a little angry. He's a mutual friend.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
He did make a good point. You're doing your best, though. Who made a good point? You did. I think your point was, I actually agree with you.
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
Questions from non, what was the, what were the questions?
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Ep 1036 | Jase Offends Millions of People & the First Fake News in History Shows up in the Bible
And making his home. I mean, we mentioned that verse where he says he's going to come and make his home in us. That's in John 14, right?